Dimensions Of A Perfect Woman

Courtesy of reader Mike, here’s a page from a late 19th Century booklet named “Woman’s Own Book of Toilet Secrets”. The page describes the “dimensions of a perfect woman.”

I’d woo that.*

Here’s what it says, for those with Magoo eyes:

The dimensions of a perfect woman are: Five feet 5 inches in height, weight 128 pounds. Arms extended should measure from tip of middle finger to tip of middle finger just 5 feet 5 inches (the height). The length of her hand should be a tenth of that, her foot a seventh, the diameter of her chest a fifth. From her thighs to the ground she should measure just the same as from her thighs to the top of her head. The knee should come exactly midway between the thigh and the heel. The distance from the elbow to the middle finger should be the same as from the elbow to middle of the chest. From the top of the head to the chin should be just the length of the foot, and the same distance between the chin and the arm-pits. A woman of this height should measure 24 inches around the waist, 34 about the bust, if measured under the arms, and 43 if measured over them. The upper arm should measure 13 inches; the wrist 6 inches. The calf of the leg should measure 14½ inches; the thigh 25; the ankle 8.

FYI, her perfect dimensions are BMI 21.3 and waist-hip ratio (estimating based on chest measurement) 0.70 on the dot.

Sounds like the perfect woman of the early 21st Century, too. And she’s facially pretty, as well.

Now where else have I come across these ideal female measurements? Oh yeah.

Chateau Heartiste: reacquainting the world with turn of the (last) century truths.

Contrary to the delusional claims of feminists and their fellow travelers in the degenerate freak mafia, there has never been a time in history when women weren’t physically objectified, by either women themselves or by men. Objectification of the female form is the manifest nature of sexual selection. Shaking a fist at it and whining for it to change on feminist blogs is akin to forming an advocacy group for the reversal of the earth’s orbit. Except for some minor fluctuations at the margins, these timeless truths of human sexual preference are unchanging. Wailing for the ghost of Rubens won’t spare the resentful, rump-faced rejects from the unalterable truth that a fatopia, or a lawyercunttopia, or a manjawtopia, or a bigfatbeardedfeministtopia has never existed in modern human history, and likely hasn’t long before that. Fat, ugly, unfeminine, and/or older women were never in demand and never considered desirable by men or women with skin in the game.

The feminist, of course, will move the goalposts until her ego is sufficiently assuaged. When the evidence all around her belies her bromides, she will rhetorically assert:

Men liked plumper women in the past!

Nope. Playboy centerfolds in the 1950s fell within the ideal 17-23 BMI range and the 0.65-0.75 waist-hip ratios, just as Playboy centerfolds of today do. (Dec 1953 Playmate of the Month Marilyn Monroe had a 19.6 BMI; Nov 2009 Playmate of the Month Kelley Thompson has a BMI 18.6.)

Ok, then. Men liked plumper women in the distant past!

Nope. Pamphlets from the 19th Century depict desirable women having the same measurements as desirable women of today.

Ok, then. Men liked plumper women in the ancient past!

Nope. Fat “mother goddess” icons were not viewed as sex objects. And Rubens’ contemporaries painted slender babes, adding weight (heh) to the notion that Rubens was a fat fetishist outlier.

Ok, then. Men liked plumper women in the prehistoric past!

Nope. Figurines thousands of years old have been found of thin, young women with hourglass shapes wearing miniskirts.

Ok, then! Fuck you, misogynist pig!

Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laden with saturated fats.

Beauty is objective. Beauty is measurable. Beauty abides universal standards. Beauty is an ironclad cosmic law that can’t be wished into irrelevance. Beauty is the golden ratio that holds illimitable dominion over all. Beauty

is

not

in

the

eye

of

the

beholder.

It is an inherent trait of the beheld. And it is immune to societal reengineering campaigns to reconstitute it for the benefit of those lacking its blessings.

Feminists and equalists, YOU LOSE. GOOD DAY, LOSER. YOU GET

NOTHING…

but eternal torment and anguish until your last breath escapes the prison of your ugliness and lies.

*I can already see the female readers rushing to the mirror with tape measure in hand, to find out how close they conform to perfection. It’s ok, ladies. Your reaction is normal and healthy and reflects a subconscious understanding and acceptance of reality that will redound to your personal advantage. Don’t let some whiny, bloviating porky pig convince you otherwise.





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  1. Ladies…don’t worry about the things you can’t control such as height or the length of your arms…that was your parents genetic material and God’s decision. Only focus on the things you can control…how you present yourself to the world and what you digest.

    Even as a male I have to focus on that too.

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    • To be specific, be fit and be feminine. Women shouldn’t underestimate the power of a feminine nature. It’s nice, it’s pleasing, it’s cute, it’s endearing, it makes your immediate environment a better place. Men will go the extra mile for a sweet feminine woman, happily, even if she isn’t that attractive.

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      • Can you be more specific? How can I be feminine in a male-dominated tech workplace where I need to sound like I know what I’m talking about in meetings?

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      • You’re mistaking knowing what you’re talking about and being a man. Are you a sexist? I work in IT and although there are not a lot of women, there are some feminine girls who know what they’re doing. They don’t talk all raunchy like the guys, but they do get little racy and don’t run to HR every time somebody tells a joke.

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      • Being articulate and feminine are not mutually exclusive traits. What separates a feminine attitude is your 1) mindset 2) tone. The former invariably controls the latter.

        Say what needs to be said in meetings without “thinking like a man” or overcompensating.

        Truth be told, the most influential women in my organizational circles are feminine women. They have confidence: not that of men, but rather the confidence to relate to their fundamental nature without second-thought.

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      • How can you be feminine and sound like you know what you’re talking about at the same time?

        By being feminine and knowing what you are talking about. One doesn’t preclude the other, and the idea that women who look nice are dismissed by men as airheads is BS.

        Women who are in fact airheads are dismissed by men as airheads. Women who know what they’re doing aren’t, regardless of how they dress.

        Here, read this: http://theredpillroom.blogspot.ch/2012/09/the-tangled-chains-on-swing-set-of.html

        then go out and buy yourself some nice knee length pencil skirts and tops that flatter your superstructure. If you are competent at your job, a skirt won’t make you incompetent. If you’re already incompetent, a pantsuit won’t fix that.

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      • Yeah, probably the Affirmative Action effect. The assumption is that if a man and a woman have equivalent backgrounds, she’s inferior because AA always gives the girl a boost. Pretty much everyone assumes this, even if they won’t publically admit it.

        Welcome to the Feminist Utopia!

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      • Are you saying that I should act like the solipsistic women in the article, or that I should go against that (but then wouldn’t I be masculine if I’m confident)?

        It’s almost like I have to choose to either be riddled with apologies and self-doubt to not get taken seriously, or I have to “think like a man” by being logical and calm, probably get better treatment in the corporate ladder but be seen as an unfeminine manly woman.

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      • Good grief no, do not act like the solipsistic women in the article! They’re a warning to you (but the bigger warning is about the older women stopping by to give you advice on how to dress professionally – remember, they’ll only do this in order to sabotage your SMV).

        If you are going to work in a masculine field, then do your damndest to work like a man. Focus on the problems, not on yourself. Think like a man.

        But dress like a woman.

        Guys are really, really good at compartmentalizing things. Work goes over in this compatment, sex goes over in that one… If a guy is interacting with you in a work context, and you demonstrate the ability to get the job done, then he will respond to your job competence, because you can help him get his job done. His thinking is something like: “Awesome, finally they hired someone who can handle her job so I don’t have to do it for her Hey, and nice ass too…”

        But if you go off on a solipsistic tangent in a work context, then his thoughts will go something like “oh, crap, another affirmative action hire who can’t focus on the work. Well, at least her ass looks nice in that skirt….”

        Scenario 1 – the guy respects you at work and thinks you have a nice ass. Scenario 2, he just thinks you have a nice ass. Scenario 3, where you’re a solipsistic incompetent who dresses like a frump means you are essentially invisible to him. And I suppose there’s scenario 4 where you are a competent frump, which means he’s glad you can do your job, but Lets Just Be Friends, except guys don’t do LJBF, so instead Let’s Just Be Passing Acquaintances.

        In either of the frump scenarios, you are generally invisible and ignored by the powers that be, because you have taken yourself off the radar by being a Beta woman. You have to be spectacularly good at your job to get noticed if you dress like a frump.

        And if you think that’s unfair or sexist, please realize the exact same thing happens to man who acts like a Beta at work. He gets passed over by less competent but more assertive men. And by “assertive” I do mean “alpha.” The path to getting ahead is always, always, always to be Alpha. But Alpha for a woman is different than Alpha for a man. An Alpha woman is assertive, but assertive in a different way than a man is.

        However, for both sexes, Alpha requires dressing well.

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      • Here, let me illustrate. If you dress like this:

        http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/joanie-top-in-red-knit-from-laura-byrnes-black-label.html

        this:

        http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/the-laura-top-in-black-by-pinup-couture.html

        or this:

        http://www.pinupgirlclothing.com/colette-button-down-dress-in-black-with-white-pindot.html

        then no matter how confident and non-solipsistic you are in meetings, you will probably not be seen as unfemine. Of course, that assumes you don’t have a mouth like Kathy Griffin, in which case nothing you wear is going to help you out.

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      • Translation:

        I don’t want to change so I’m going to ask a rhetorical question and not listen to any rational answer.

        Acting like a fake empowered femmale for the win.

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      • *****
        Count em. Five stars.

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      • I was checking out the comments on this picture on Facebook. It compares two ad campaigns, Victoria Secret and Dove. Its skinny chicks vs. fat “beautiful women”…

        Fat is becoming the norm, because there are so manny fat women! They all vote for themselves. Its funny that women comment saying “I find these fat girls attractive…” and I want to say please STFU and let men decide what an attractive woman, fatties don’t get to vote on fatness standards!

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  2. ❤

    Only criticism: "Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laden with saturated fats."

    Should be: "Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laded withn trans fats." Saturated fat is a testosterone producer (good stuff!).

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    • “Should be: “Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laded withn trans fats.” Saturated fat is a testosterone producer (good stuff!).”

      Hmmm. I disagree. Testosterone certainly didn’t do not so little Miss She-Hog “The mustache” Manjaws any favours.

      If saturated fats aid the production of testosterone, then surely habitual gorging on ice cream, dough nuts, cup cakes, McD’s, etc, might be a contributing factor (or perhaps “fatctor”) to the reduced femininity of the women of today. Feminists are, IMNSHO, very nearly universally unfeminine. I’ve only ever met one truly feminine woman who was a self proclaimed feminist. She recanted after getting knocked up (which in other words meant that nature came a-knocking; nature will not be denied).

      I’m thinking that “bitter tears laden with saturated fats” is not far of the mark, though the percentage of trans fats in their tears of delicious defeat is probably of the scale as well.

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    • I have tasted the tears , they’re mostly high fructose corn syrup and soybean oil.

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  3. Great post. I don’t know any guy who wouldn’t want to fuck a slender babe. Many guys just take what they can get (AKA fatties) and then claim that “beauty is only skin deep”, but I just KNOW they’d drop her for a girl with a BMI that’s 10 points less than his current “flame”.

    Think of all the girls you’ve been with. Haven’t you noticed your experiences with thinner women were better than larger women? Last week I was with a “busty” girl who did a pretty good job in bed, and then with a slender girl who was about the same. EVERYTHING felt better about being with the slender girl. The only difference between them really was their weight. A big girl is just a boner-killer.

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    • Well, sink me… I like ’em with some extra meat on the bones… slender doesn’t do it for me.

      Mind you, they still have to be shaped like women… no pears.

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      • Some of my friends that say this too… but define extra meat. Name a celebrity. Post a link. Give me something concrete.

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      • The ones that always come to mind are gals like Anita Ekberg, Jane Russell, Anna Nicole Smith (ante-zeppelin stage) that sort. I don’t consider them fat, but by today’s standards, well…

        And yeah, I know that these sort of sized gals hit the wall pretty hard, but until that time, I’m smitten.

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      • I think you have slender mixed up with Anorexic. It’s common for men in NA to do this because of our surroundings.

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      • Just googled Anita Ekberg. The pictures speak for themselves.

        Pre Wall

        Miles Past Wall

        I bet she’s still beaultiful on the inside.

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      • Yeah, sure, but you gotta dig for quite a while to get to the inside.

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      • I was assuming he meant pre-wall.

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      • As I said, the larger gals hit the wall pretty hard.

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      • No wonder she looks so pissed.

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      • Good god, that is tragic.

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      • It’s enough to drive a strong man to tears… aging is the cruelest phenomenon.

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      • Are the saturated or trans fat teara?

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      • Lacrimae mundi

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      • Those women were hot. Of course you find them attractive. Gay editors are female-oriented fashion magazines would call them fat, but no straight man would.

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      • Girls like the ones you mentioned are ideal for me. By slender I meant girls who looked like this. Of course the average weight of the American woman is getting higher and higher, so these women are comparatively slender. The “slender” girl I was with was built a bit like them, just with smaller breasts.

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      • One of my old favorites, curvy and delicious:

        (But, when do we get one of those machines? Really a prescient glimpse of the casual SMP.)

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      • No pears? Narrow shoulders and wide hips are the definition of a feminine figure. That doesn’t mean she has to be flat in the chest or excessively bottom-heavy, but in my opinion the daintier the shoulders = the better.

        Also, 128 really is on the heavy side nowadays for an IDEAL woman of that stature. VS models usually fall between 110-130, and they’re at least 5’9″. One must also consider that a woman in the 19th century had nowhere near as much muscle mass as VS models and universally hot celebrities like Jessica Biel. Men did prefer plumper women, but that’s not to say they wanted hamplanets, they preferred something slightly more squishy than the ideal woman of 2012.

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      • re 128 lbs: it really depends on a gal’s fitness level. I’m five four and when I was 128 pounds, size two clothing was roomy. I am a few pounds above that now that I’m more serious in the last year about working out and I’m a size 2/4 depending on brand, etc. That’s my beef with the movie versions of the Bridget Jones’ Diary books. She’s supposed to be 130lbs and, especially in the second movie, they made her huge! I’d be interested to know just how much Renee Zellweger weighed for that movie. I’d estimate it was at least fifteen to twenty pounds over what the character was actually supposed to weigh. Don’t even get me started on how they messed with the storyline even if the original was just a modernized Austen collection. And as for those Victoria’s Secret models, well, they are supposed to be the elite of the elite, so one really can’t use them as a “model.” Shift your focus from their other assets and take a look at their arms. They’re like toothpicks. I would honestly fear for one in a strong breeze. They could end up in Kansas!

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      • I’m with you, bro. Though my lingam moveth for all sorts, and absolutely rages for the younger set, I would be more than happy settling down with one of those short chubby Scottish types, the kind one would call dumpy, preferably from Scotland as they retain strong Germanic features. Blue eyes, big tits, long nose, flaxen hair, and flesh to knead. Can’t go wrong. They’re also usually quite even-tempered.

        Fuck, I ought to go to Scotland before the kaffirs completely take over.

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      • Also: they age well.

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 10:00 pm Thasswhatimtalkinbout

        typical scottish woman: nice, even beautiful eyes. great face. no tits. h-u-g-e thighs and ass.

        thanks but i’ll pass.

        and i’m a scottish boy.

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      • I was just going to compliment The Chateau on the Willy Wonka quote and there you go dropping in a nice one yourself.

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      • Good eye!

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    • It more fun to dance with a slender gal…you can throw them around easier :).

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  4. http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard4.html

    “Women as “sex objects”? Of course they are sex objects, and praise the Lord they always will be. (Just as men, of course, are sex objects to women.) As for wolf whistles, it is impossible for any meaningful relationship to be established on the street or by looking at ads, and so in these roles women properly remain solely as sex objects. When deeper relationships are established between men and women, they each become more than sex objects to each other; they each hopefully become love objects as well. It would seem banal even to bother mentioning this, but in today’s increasingly degenerate intellectual climate no simple truths can any longer be taken for granted”

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  5. > Beauty is objective.

    Well, the proper technical term is “intersubjective”, I believe. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, humans just seem to have really similar eyes.

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    • on September 21, 2012 at 2:28 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      While sexual attractiveness is intersubjective, beauty as beauty seems to transcend species:

      Its just that beauty is the main factor in human female attractiveness.

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  6. So what would a 43 inch over the bust measurement be cup size wise?

    My measurements are approximately 34-28-37 (at least that’s what the lady who fitted me for my wedding dress said). So that gives me a waist/hip ratio of about .75, which while ok could be a little closer to 7. How would I go about making this happen? There is no way that I can get any smaller around the bust or waist…I’m skin on bones around the bust and I have no fat around my waist. Would I ideally need to gain 3 inches around my hips to get to the perfect .7? It seems like a wieght gain like that would raise my BMI too much (I weigh 124 lbs and am 5’5 for a BMI of 20.6 and would like to keep it that way).

    Is the answer that there really is no way to improve this?

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    • Honey if that’s your figure, you are doing the right thing. Don’t focus on the .7 as perfection. Just be healthy.

      I mean I’d like to get to below 10% body fat, but the trainer told me most guys would kill to be at the 12% I have now.

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    • 28 is a little large for the waist. Even though you have little fat there, most extra waist size is caused by inflammation. You might not look bloated, but you are. Keep a food diary an eliminate the foods that cause this inflammation.

      First off, eliminate dairy, caffeine, simple carbs and alcohol. You’ll lose 1-2 inches on the waist in the first two weeks. Another really good step is to eat greens (salad w/o dressing) and fruit for breakfast. Quit eating fruit after lunch and make sure you eat a big salad w/o dressing before/for every meal/snack.

      Quit doing situps, eat 6 times a day and eat like a lady. You’ll never be hungry and you’ll lose those extra inches around your waist.

      You’re not fat, but you’re not perfect.

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      • BTW, 10% body fat is way too little. You obviously have quite a bit of muscle mass.

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      • I do have quite a bit of muscle…but most of my fat was around the gut and I needed to lose it because it was causing my back to ache.

        I’m getting greedy and want a 6 pack now.

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      • Well, I’ve got 12-pack abs. They were surprisingly easy to achieve.

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      • Reading comprehension fail. I thought it was Kay that had 10% BF. Way too little for a woman. For a dude it’s cool. Same thing goes for the abs except increase the situps. Women don’t need situps, they need belly dancing.

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      • Oh sweet Jesus NO. NOT Belly dancing. Have you SEEN any of the Macy’s parade balloons that flock to the belly dancing class at the community college? They’ve turned what was once an exercise in straight-out sexual display into some kind of “empowering” and “welcoming” bullshit. It’s now all about making fat girls feel sexy even if they look like sumo wrestlers trying to pole-dance.

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    • Depending on what you like, a 34C or 34D (or preferably 32C or 32D if you like a 5’3″ girl) is very sweet. The girl being described here is a very busty 34 + 9 inches which is like G cup. That’s shauna sands, denise milani territory, telling me they measured things differently back then. Of course, no one would complain about denise but Giada DeLaurentis seems more like what this girl should look like.

      Of course, any discriminating man knows it’s not the size of the boobs so much as the contrast between the boobs and the body…

      The only point that the haters can make is that bitches back 50, 100 years ago, whatever didn’t do fucking yoga and workout to maintain teenage year slenderness.

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    • Kay-you’re bottom heavy. Nothing you can do about it. No diet or exercise changes the distribution of fat on a female’s body. It’s all genetic.

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  7. In other news, the life expectancy for the least educated whites, especially white WOMEN, have greatly plummeted to the level of similarly situated blacks.

    The life expectancy for the least educated hispanics have increased greatly, and are the highest of all.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/us/life-expectancy-for-less-educated-whites-in-us-is-shrinking.html?src=me&ref=general&_r=0&pagewanted=all

    Anyone care to hypothesize?

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    • I think hispanics are very community and family oriented, and that sort of support system will put years on one’s life, just through mental well-being in and of itself.

      They also tend to be a bit more God-fearing, which I think is healthy.

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      • Family-oriented and religious corresponds to patriarchal societies.

        I suspect that feminism & the death of American patriarchy is to blame for poor white women’s plummet in life expectancy. The article actually compares the plummet of white women’s life expectancy to the plummet seen in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed.

        Poor white women, like all white women, have bought the feminist Koolaid and rejected patriarchy but don’t have the the safety nets that the strident college-educated feminists have: better jobs, more (family) money, and opportunities to marry/divorce men with good jobs.

        Without patriarchy or money to buffer them, we now have proof that white women, left to their own devices, are no better than the dwellers of Mogadishu.

        The power of patriarchy is strong, considering that poor hispanics do better than poor whites, especially when white is a great socio-economic advantage in America.

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      • +1… excellent observations.

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      • Well said. This is a classical Daniel Amneus line of argument. Hear hear.

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      • on September 21, 2012 at 3:52 pm The Man Who Was . . .

        In some ways, but they also have higher rates of out of wedlock births. In a lot of ways, family values do stop at the Rio Grande.

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      • Mormons on average live 11 years longer than the average American.

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    • Fatty fat fatness. Least educated hispanics are most likely working, a lot.

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      • Actually…… scroll to the last page.

        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity_adult_09_10/obesity_adult_09_10.pdf

        White women are actually diverging on the low side from the bulk (ha!) of the American population, as well as blacks and Hispanics in obesity rates, and they may actually be slimming down slightly. This is great news for white men.

        [heartiste: my everloving message is getting out!]

        My guess is that it’s simply because there are so many elderly whites, and very few elderly Hispanics or Asians, and what few there are, are mostly immigrants, who tend to be healthier than their fatass counterparts back in the old country.

        [let’s see where these obesity numbers are in ten years. i can’t imagine it getting worse than it already is. it seems we’ve reched a fat saturation point.]

        When the Hispanic wave of fatasses starts to age in 2030 or so, we’ll start to see lots of Hispanics keeling over from heart attacks.

        [SWPL girls in the cities are still relatively slender and attractive. they are holding out against the tide of blubber and general dysfunction. well, some dysfunction. they bring their own dysfunction to bear.]

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    • The least educated hispanics have been here in the U.S. the shortest period of time and haven’t adopted the very unhealthy standard American diet yet. They also work jobs that require more physical labor than most natives and therefore get more exercise.

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    • Stress + cigarettes, booze, other drugs.

      Simple as that.

      When have you seen a low-class white woman who didn’t chain-smoke menthols, “have a medical marijuana card”, and do shots?

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    • Soft living and being spoiled (blue pill shit) is catching up with us?

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  8. Femnists are pushing the r-seleciton culture where female looks really don’t matter. Also, people are lazy — looking good is hard, but so is math and most trappings of K-selection culture.

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  9. on September 21, 2012 at 2:25 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    This reminds me. Most non-fat women can look decent, especially under 25, even under 30, so the number one thing is to stay in shape.

    Therefore here is my girl game summary:

    1. Maximize your looks. Get in shape, dress well, learn to use make-up properly. Make the most of what you have.

    2. Learn how to be pleasant and feminine.

    3. Don’t sleep around.

    4.Put yourself out there. Socialize in mixed company and use an online dating site, preferably one of the better ones like Eharmony.

    5. Don’t perfunctorily reject guys. Return their phone calls and texts. Don’t make a quick judgement after one or two dates.

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      • According to RSD, looking at a woman’s past life is entirely disconnected from responsibility.

        Maybe i am too absolutist, but i agree that women will never be held accountable for their feminist actions (even writing it sounds kinda dumb); nor could i imagine holding my own sister accountable. I also believe (and science increasingly proves) they don’t have the mental capacity to do so.

        Also, I doubt the pendulum will swing back to moral extremism, short of muslim takeover; we have too much exposure (via technology) to the 1% of riches and beauty to see that they have no need for morality. A rulebook that charismatic and hot people don’t follow is not a rulebook. (See: gay west coast “spirituality” as a replacement for christianity, where god is believed in but without those dumb rules)

        Ironic that feminism and the “death of the middle class” go hand in hand. What is the last possibility if women will not, can not, and have no reason to change? And men are too dumb, motivated elsewhere, or stubbborn to rudder us in the direction of WASPy All-American small town goodness? Good ole fashioned aristocracy, aka upper-class-hot-and-charismatic low-class-everyone-else.

        A world of survived feminism really is an aristocracy. Economically, you see it now. There is the upper class of amoral celebrities and the lower class of service industry wage slaves. Politically, you see it now with the death of the middle class. Keep bailing out rich failures with a promise of middle class currency, aka hard work. The (good) news is that politicians are not going to ressurect a middle class like Jesus and Lazarus.

        With that is my prediction. I wrote about the correlation of feminism and fiat money here:

        http://gritartisan.wordpress.com/2012/08/31/feminist-fiat/

        And you know what the next step is: a war to thin out all the upper class baggage, you and me, who could actually hold them accountable for bailing out failures, among other things. The fuck if someone is going to try and leverage my life to pay for their shitty choices and egoism. Come and fucking get me.

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      • Looks like everone has their own little blog these days lol
        Since the 1979 Nixon Shock,

        What is that supposed to mean?

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      • One comment at Youtube:

        “Those two guys in the front are wearing the official pick up uniform.”

        Lollzzololzzzzz

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      • “Those two guys in the front are wearing the official pick up uniform.”

        Square toed Kenneth Cole shoes and a tight shirt worn by busboys? 🙂

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      • TD is brilliant but he’s too exposed and hardly qualified to bluntly criticize women for their choices. Polite criticism ain’t gonna cut it.

        That’s why blogs like this one are vital. Truth, as harsh as it may be, is liberating, even for (most) women.

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      • Who’s that faggot? Also, he has some very serious issues … So sad. I watched two thirds of this video and then I couldn’t continue. So repulsive and sad.

        (Although he has it right about girls drinking too much alcohol and smoking and eating too much)

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      • on September 24, 2012 at 4:00 am Subway Orgy Organizer

        His wife is hot. You’re just somebody typing somewhere.

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      • He’s very disrespectful and offensive. I can’t watch him.

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    • The thing is that they never are going to do that simply because they don’t think they have to.

      Would any guy learn game if he was already getting laid on a consistent basis?

      Hell most guys refuse to believe in game to begin with and they aren’t even getting laid.

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  10. What is it with fat chicks who have hot chick attitude? Is this something they got off of TV? It’s obnoxious. And the attitude affects the way they dress. Nobody asked to see your stretch mark ridden muffin tops.

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    • Modern feminist society teaches little girls that we’re unique and special snowflakes, there’s no such thing as ugly, and obesity is just a disease that you can’t do anything about. Entitlement attitude abounds.

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    • No bull.

      I live at the beach… The American 5’s here act as if they look like Eastern European 8’s. It’s ridiculous. Girls with fatrolls should be wearing knee pads, not bitch shields.

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      • I’m thinking about getting a place on the beach, I may reconsider now.

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      • What part of the country is this?

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      • Atlantic shores. NJ, DE, MD is where.

        Nearly half of the chicks at the jersey shore have ink. If you like Jwow/Sammi poon then this is the place for you.
        DE has Udel coeds and EE waitresses…fish in a barrel.
        MD even has EE housekeepers…

        What are you looking for?

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      • on September 22, 2012 at 9:15 pm King Ofcockville

        I once lived at am American beach. Fortunately, it was populated by many fine Eastern Europeans every summer. So I never had to bother with the ugly American bitches. If I ran out ( which I never did) of Russian, Belarussian, Latvian, Lithuanian chicks, then I would even settle for an Irish or Mexican before I even looked at some Pennsylvanian sorority slut.

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    • Maybe it’s because girls (or at least teachers, etc.) are now trained to butter up fattycakes with flattery about how beautiful she is, rather than bully her. Female bullying used to be a powerful tool to keep women slender.

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    • fat chicks pre-empt inevitable rejection with an attitude that no guy is good enough for her. Classic reframe. You can’t reject her. Doesn’t matter because the end result is the same: she is not getting quality dick. The only difference is putting on the attitude may make her sleep better if she can convince herself she had a choice in the matter.

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      • No. It’s not about protecting her ego. Alot of fat chicks actually believe they are the indeed shit in the same way some chicks actually believe their careers earn them sexytime points with men

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      • That’s because all but the most hideous (and I mean hideious) still get a lot of attention from men… far out of proportion to their proportions.

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      • At least in countries with an abundance of black men 😉

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      • That’s the key point: the blame completely lies at the feet of desperate beta/omega males who will sleep with any female, no matter if they’re a morbidly obese amputee with a bad attitude. Frankly, I don’t see that changing any time soon, and thus, I don’t think these women have any motivation to change.

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      • I don’t get your logic Women (well, none of the women I like hanging out with) don’t get validation from having had sex. It’s generally understood among us that if we were to gain a 100 lbs, skip showers until that goal was accomplished and then passed out naked by the railroad, someone would copulate with us. For a woman, getting f-ed is as much of an accomplishment as it is for a man to hire a hooker. It’s having a desirable guy act romantic and caring towards us, for a prolonged period of time that would feel like an ego boost and a status spiker.

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      • Again, it’s not merely the sex… they will get attention from men, as stated in my previous post.

        There’s a lot of ego-boosting, warm fuzzies on the attempted path of seduction.

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      • It’s not the “sleep with” part that is the problem. Too many guys will actually court these girls…thus inflating the sows egos

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      • Don’t believe it for a second.

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    • Nobody asked for your socially awkward input either.

      When men are pussies, women are pricks. It’s that simple. I’d be skinny if I didn’t have to fight guys a foot taller and wider than me in the street with my bare fists.

      As it is, not everybody has the luxury of being feminine. So before you judge, open your window and look outside. Things aren’t like they used to be, and for some women, they never were…and apparently for women of color, they never will be.

      I’m a webmaster, not a security guard (anymore) and I shit you not, my last fist fight was at the bus station of a university, waiting on some friends of mine for a Pagan/Wiccan ceremony. It’s not even about socioeconomic class really. There are just too many crazy messed up dudes in this world, and too few guys who give a damn, especially if you don’t look “perfect” enough.

      Enough having to handle violence, and a woman cares less about who wants to fuck her and more about who’s going to try to fuck with her.

      …and this is where the attitude comes from for some of us. We adapted and are surviving while others are bitching and moaning.

      So it’s not that we still get male attention. It’s that we manage to get the attention of men who more than compensate for the throngs in the herd consulting the television to figure out if they’re allowed to have an erection.

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  11. on September 21, 2012 at 2:33 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    I do love me some women with meat on their bones, but what I mean by that is something like this:
    http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/shine-on/robyn-lawley-becomes-ralph-lauren-first-plus-size-181559255.html
    Not the land whales that you see shambling about North America.

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    • Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about, but… she’s the upper limit.

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    • She’s fucking 6’2″, not 5’2″… so a size 12 can be fine… depending on her cup size and ass shape.

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      • I like that. “Plus size” to refer to tall but shapely women, as opposed to fatasses. I hope the modeling agencies continue to subtly twist the meaning of that term around like that.

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    • on September 21, 2012 at 4:14 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      Yeah, the height helps a lot.

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    • on September 21, 2012 at 4:16 pm The Man Who Was . . .

      I understand Heartiste’s jihad against valourizing plus size models. The message that gets filtered down to the masses is that you can be both fat and beautiful.

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    • she’s far from a she-beast, but i bet she would look even better if she lost some weight. just look at that arm flab…

      if she lost some fat and gained some muscle tone, she’d be a stunner.

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      • I see your point… as I said before, that would be close to my upper limit.

        Sigh… take 25 pounds off her and that’s what my wife looked like when we got married… she’s held up pretty good, but, oh, the sweet bird of youth!

        That said, I haven’t found much credence in the saying that bearing a few children smooths out the wrinkles in a woman’s nature. 😦

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      • Wish I could say the same. My wife is 5’5″ and is now close to 150. Marriage weight, 115 and was a size 2. Talks shit about losing weight, but never does. Knows exactly how much this displeases me, and then acts sad when she doesn’t feel the lurve from me.

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      • The most fattening food in the world is wedding cake 🙂

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      • It also curbs the libido. 😀

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      • Go find some pussy on the side for fucks sake.

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      • Your hitched, so you got yourself in a real bind. Start hanging out with a bunch of good looking women.. on Friday night. Scare the bitch into action.

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    • At 6’2″ she could weight 165 lbs and still have a BMI of 21.2 (check it out http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/); at that weight she’s a size 12.

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      • I wouldn’t pay attention to BMI. How can a female weigh the same as a man the same height? This BMI applies to men.
        A girl 5’8″ and 130 lbs would have a BMI of about 20
        But a man that height and weight would look like a stringbean or some starving ectomorph

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    • on September 21, 2012 at 10:04 pm Thasswhatimtalkinbout

      nope. she’s too fat. and the day her modeling career ends, she’ll really blimp out.

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    • Ralph is just trying to sell more clothes and he knows the average US female is a lardarse. He knows he can’t use a real fatty as a model because they’d make his stuff look like shit and no one, even the fatties, would buy it. So he uses a slightly fleshier model with good proportions and calls it “plus size”. The fatties who are going to buy the stuff are a lot fatter and blobier and look nothing like the model.

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  12. The rapidly fattening women of america are choosing styles which hide the waist. Because fashion is decided by majority opinion even slim girls wear such styles, hiding one of the best markers of attractiveness. It disgusts me.

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    • I’ve noticed this as well…pretty pathetic that the lowest common denominator is increasingly being used as the gold standard. “Fat acceptance” is now driving women’s fashion…it’s so absurd it’s actually comical.

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  13. Time for a Chateau book review.

    Maybe I missed it but I’m surprised that in all the reading I’ve done here I’ve
    never seen a reference to the 1999 book by Nancy Etcoff,
    “Survival of the Prettiest.”
    http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Prettiest-The-Science-Beauty/dp/0385479425/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348252366&sr=8-1&keywords=survival+of+the+prettiest

    This book was a bombshell and caused heads to explode; all the more
    because, unlike know-nothing journalist Naomi Wolf, Etcoff was on the
    faculty of Harvard med school. It made the cover of Time in an era when
    that still meant something.

    The backlash was furious. Page after page of the most ordinary common-
    sense observations about beauty caused an apoplexy not seen since the
    study from the prior decade that stated a woman who wasn’t married by
    40 had about a zero chance of getting a husband.

    The first twenty pages reads like a Chateau’s “greatest hits.” The storm
    raged for a few weeks and then the thing disappeared and we returned to
    our bien-pensant “eye of the beholder” world.

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    • I’m going to casually leave this book on my coffee table for every girl I bring back to see when she walks past. Hamster warpspeed engage.

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    • reading it right now.
      I also thought Heartiste must have read it.
      I’m surprised to hear it got to people so much, the writer makes sure to soften the message from time to time, compared to how Heartiste does it.

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  14. “Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laden with saturated fats.”

    Seriously… have you considered doing standup?

    It took me 10 minutes to get off the floor and stop craffing. (crying whilst laughing)

    My coworkers don’t know what’s wrong with me.

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  15. I’m just curious, is there a male version to this?

    A “Dimensions of a Perfect Man”

    Or, wait, that would be this blog wouldn’t it?

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  16. Beauty

    is

    not

    in

    the

    eye

    of

    the

    beholder.

    Is it in the eye of the beerholder?

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  17. 25″ thighs are huge. Straight leg jeans for 6’+ dudes (Levis 501’s, 33×34) have 23″ thighs. She isn’t fitting into the pants of any model or typical skinny-jean-wearing hot babe of today.

    So I think you’re gonna have to acknowledge the optimum female body shape has changed… or ignore facts

    13″ arms are also pretty big for a chick.

    [heartiste: you sound desperate.]

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    • Might have drifted ever so slightly over time. But I would keep in mind that this book appears to have been targeted at women and the ideal dimensions given could actually have been shaded upward in order to *reassure* the readers of that time. Sort of odd that so many of the measurements listed are stuff no one could work to improve anyway; but maybe the authors wanted to help the reader properly evaluate her own attractiveness.
      BTW, while a WHR of 0.7 is certainly hot it’s worth pointing out that it hasn’t been shown that a lower WHR isn’t seen as even sexier. Because it’s so rare it’s kind of academic, but a handful of the early playboy centerfolds had WHR of 0.6 or even slightly lower.

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      • “… but maybe the authors wanted to help the reader properly evaluate her own attractiveness.”

        And make her depressive and neurotic because she is “ugly”. There is no point in telling people how much they are worth. Writing a book about this is even more pathetic (not that I don’t agree with it’s content – everyone intuitively knows who is pretty and who is not) and I’m sure that the author is some jealous frustrated male – who else would write such a useless book? There is no need to analyze who has better genes and who was less lucky. Nobody is perfect until you fall in love with them, after all.

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    • Hey fag. The models we consider the “optimum” female body shape work car shows, not fashion shows.
      5’5″, 128lbs, 24 inch waist. How about those facts??

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    • My dick doesn’t respond to skeletons with skin over them.

      It will respond to a curved woman with a healthy BMI though.

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    • The 25″ is obviously the length not circumferencce lol The 8″ is around the ankle and the 13″ is the length from elbow up.

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  18. on September 21, 2012 at 5:26 pm Holden Caulfield

    The recent CH posts have been absolutely money. Is Heartiste taking performance enhancing drugs for these posts? Having a few hot girls in the rotation typically inspires a better performance from me in most life arenas.

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  19. corvinus
    “Mmm, I taste your hot, bitter tears laden with saturated fats.”

    Mmm… bacon…
    —————————

    *bacon flavored tears*

    “my God sir! have you no decency!”

    You guys are good; I haven’t laughed this hard since I watch this neck take on his pool

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  20. ok, I have boobies on the brain. The perfect girl has 24 inch waist. And 34DD’s. Which makes sense as to why girls who get fake boobies always end up going bigger. It just makes sense.

    Of course, there’s the French culture and their appreciation for a nice pert and pokey B cup. But there’s got to be little room for error there, one croissant too many and the ratio’s fucked for life.

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  21. Tweet “Cocksure feminists rarely link to my blog posts to vent their rage and strike back. I could be small time, or… they could be afraid.”

    You had a steady gaggle of feminist/antigame haters 3-4 years ago, hardly any now.

    Game realism may have gone mainstream and the basics are no longer controversial.

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  22. Everyone has an individual preference. The male manatee for example.

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    • Yeah, but when said male starts looking at OUR species and thinks: ‘Heeeeeeeeyyyyy!” it’s time for a woman to grow introspective and reevaluate her regimen.

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  23. “[Beauty] is an inherent trait of the beheld.” There it is, that’s the line that sums it up, and the line that’ll put the feminists into fits. Most reasonable people who lack a virtue respect it and work to attain it…feminists who lack beauty attempt to tear it down, throw dirt upon it, destroy it. Fortunately for us, they’ll never succeed for the reasons you just mentioned. That’s probably why they’re so pissed off, and why it’s so fun to mock them.

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    • I don’t know that most feminists, let alone average women, are sufficiently literate to understand the preterite of behold in one hearing. That’s a frequent problem in my attempts to browbeat the feministed lemmings — one is simply too clever for them.

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      • Haha…only too true, I stand corrected. Perhaps if we explain the concept of “beheld” as in cake’s relationship to their fingers, they might get it. Still unlikely, though.

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  24. +1 on the non-Depp orginal Wonka reference:

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  25. Off topic, but here’s an interesting study. Men and women scientists rated Identical resumes for the position of ‘lab manager’. The only difference was whether the applicant was male or female. Turns out female scientists were at least as biased as the men in rating the candidates, and for the salaries they proposed. They immediately interpret this by blaming institutional sexism, although the scientists’ experience with male vs. female workers in the past seems like it would play the major role.

    http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/09/21/study-offers-new-evidence-scientists-are-biased-against-women#ixzz278amJYLc

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  26. I feel for women, having to watch their diet in order to stay trim if they want to attract men. It must be heck to have that one gatekeeping mechanism keeping so many fatties home alone.

    I know it’s rough because I’ve been watching my caloric intake for years. I watch my weight like a hawk. Of course, I’m still a poor, 5’6″, sadly ugly, middle-aged virgin who’d much rather fap then accept the dregs in my league.

    Somehow the dieting just isn’t the magic bullet for me. Hmmm…

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    • if ‘dieting’ isn’t working for you, it’s probably because what you’re eating is crap.

      try paleo/primal.

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      • I think what JLW means is that dieting isn’t working for him in terms of attracting a suitable girlfriend, not in terms on staying trim. If it wouldn’t be to forward of me to offer him advise, I’d tell him to not give up and to sift through the dregs available to him. There must be someone worth while in there, by mistake or accident of birth, if he keeps looking. Or he could go teach English in Korea. He’d be less short and less poor in that context. And, i’d venture to predict, he wouldn’t stay a virgin for long.

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    • jlw-if you’re middle aged and a virgin there must have been something really defective about you and besides it’s now too late. And personally I wouldn’tbother with any female who has to diet or exercise to remain a normal weight. This is the type who will blow up soon after you say, “I do”. Wedding cake is the most fattening food in the world 🙂
      No genetically slim young girl needs any real exercise. They are naturally firm and muscles on a female look disgusting. See Madonna?The reason that these old hags have to work out hours a day, enough to build muscles, is because their skin and bodies are loose from age and the muscles help hold it together. If she were to stop the exercise she’d look like a flabby old lady in a couple of months.There’s also no exercise that will keep your arse from dropping and she’s had an arse lift. It will drop again and she’ll need another lift 🙂 This is Madonna in a few years. Like a virgin, whoops blah blah blah yada yada yada

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    • I get what you’re saying. It’s frustrating that there are so many women who only need not be a fatass -just that one, single, simple requirement- to drastically improve their dating pool. Yet they don’t seem to get it. I see women complaining all the time about the quality of men they attract, yet all they have to do is not be a fatass and I guarantee they would do a lot better. Anyway, hey man, try initiating some of the stuff in these blogs. Give it a shot with the best dregs you can find and work up to the next, slightly better one, with that little bit of confidence you gain. Hell, just talking to some decent women’s better than nothing.

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      • I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but one can still be a fatass and attract a quality man (stable, very masculine, loyal, protective). What she won’t attract is hordes of any kind of man. Because women generally select for quality rather than quantity, telling them what *most* like or don’t like is kind of irrelevant in a dating market of serial monogamy for women and soft polygyny for men.

        The only way you’re going to get women to care enough about what the majority of men think is to make the majority of men’s opinion worth some money to someone whose profession isn’t looks dependent.

        Change the politics and the economy to beta males mattering, and women will care more what they look like to beta males.

        As it is, that ship has sailed. The people who were adults in the ’60s through ’80s screwed it up and produced wimpy sons and masculine daughters like me who had to be butch to survive a generation of males who either think it’s okay to hit us or fail us.

        I personally am just glad to have figured things out while I was still young enough to enjoy it for awhile. Though I’ve never been anybody’s idea of physically perfect and never hoped to be, I’m quite happy with functioning well and attracting the psychological survivors who like to fuck instead of doing origami in bed, and whose egos aren’t insulted by shagging a woman who passes their personal boner test.
        :: shrug ::

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      • Yeah, but Mrs. Zuckerberg is on a chubby side and Mark Zuckerberg still married her. I don’t know what my point is, just saying… I’m gonna go now…

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      • Mark has not lost his beta ways.

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  27. on September 21, 2012 at 10:41 pm what do you boys look like?

    I wouldn’t mind look sexy and feminine if the guy I dated managed to look good too. Most guys rate in the 6 category yet us girls have to slave away trying look good to please your dicks? The truly hottest guy that I’d ever met (who happened to not be an actor, musician) worked in the men’s department and he had the ‘manjaw’, sadly his height was against him.

    P.S. What do you boys look like anyway? Nobody is perfect and I’m certainly not measuring myself, thanks. Those days are gone 🙂

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  28. I’m sure that some fugly feminist is going to pipe in that this was the ideal. btw, who names this stuff? Venus? For all we know it may have been made by some man as a joke. Or some guy playing with a lump of clay and 1.2 way through he threw it away without finishing it and it’s found 1000’s of years later. Oh look, those cavemen must have liked fat girls. 🙂

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    • Considering how short, brutal, and violent life was back then where today’s caveman was tomorrow’s Smilidon shit, I think it was more of an issue that Cavemen liked pregnant girls furthering their lineage.

      Idealizing Issues of fertility during a time when most of your children would die early makes a bit more sense that early man being chubby chasers.

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  29. […] Dimensions Of A Perfect Woman « Chateau Heartiste […]

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  30. I think it’s worth putting this link here to inspire the fat ladies.

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    • Even with the pictures I don’t believe it. But the last one is amazing. God, hot redheads just can’t be beat. More rare than flawless diamonds.

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  31. However, why should anyone be humiliated because of something that just isn’t his/her fault? After all, we can’t choose our own genes, and, if obesity can be fought and defeated in most cases (healthy food and gyms can do wonders, you know), some things, such as facial ugliness or bust size, just cannot be changed (plastic surgery is not a panacea for all these woes).
    Yours sincerely,
    NAF according to your own DMW test.

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  32. Just a another concrete concrete example of fat acceptance/emo porn: http://www.amazon.com/Good-Bed-Jennifer-Weiner/dp/0743418174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348324884&sr=8-1&keywords=good+in+bed
    A quick synopsis: Girl’s bf breaks up with her b/c she is fat. Girl ends up getting pregnant. In the end girl finds a beta provider fantasy man who tells her he loves her forever (in the scene he literally wraps his arms around her spare tire) in spite of her physique and her 2 month old daughter.

    Too bad he didn’t learn game.

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  33. “However, why should anyone be humiliated because of something that just isn’t his/her fault?”

    Sign of someone who is disconnected with reality: Asks strange and inappropriate “should” questions. I don’t think you *should* anything…the fact is that you already *are* humiliated. If you con yourself, and convince yourself otherwise, you’ll become “insecure”.

    BTW, don’t overemphasize bust size. I’m a classic boob man, but as long as you’re not flat, I’ll appreciate them. Also note that facial ugliness is 60% body fat. If you’re obese, there’s a good chance that you have a pretty face behind that marbled mask.

    I’m dieting too btw. My BMI is 26.8. Just lose 2 lbs per week. It aint’ hard.

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  34. Heartiste, if you have some time to spare, this novel may interest you: The Revolt of Man.

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  35. I think the difference is in the 50’s, a curvier FIGURE was prized, while today a straighter, more waifish one is. The issue is that overweight women have taken over the word curvy and made it mean chunky. In the 1950’s actresses (Kim Novak, for instance) were definitely more voluptuous – wider bust and hips, thinner waist. Both Monroe and Audrey Hepburn were fit, but the shapes of their bodies were different. It’s a difference of body type, not of BMI or weight. Overweight women were not considered attractive in the 1950’s any more than they were today.

    P.S. the same is true of Playboy models today vs. runway models. Playboy models are more hourglass shaped, runway models are more boyish. In order to have a more curvier “shape,” those Playboy models might have slightly more weight on them, but they are still well within the BMI figures listed.

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  36. The sound you hear white knights, manginas and pussy beggars worldwide collectively slapping their foreheads.

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  37. […] Heartiste kan man även finna [en artikel] som redogör för att den perfekta kvinnorkroppen har objektiva mått. Med andra ord, alla män i […]

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  38. work out, eat healthy, take vitamins, wtf is so hard about that?

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  39. on September 22, 2012 at 9:05 pm King Ofcockville

    Arms are too big and the head length seems a little manly, but everything else is good.

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  40. on September 22, 2012 at 9:08 pm 3rd Millenium Men

    I was at a bar I didn’t particularly want to be at last night. I was waiting to get a drink, pulled out my phone and read this article. Halfway through I noticed a female specimen with the perfect dimensions, as outlined in this article. Inspired, I struck up a conversation. I ran A+++ game, took her outside and the rest is history.

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  41. There’s a lot of political and race talk on this blog now. But I think the real potential of Heartiste’s work is in raising the alpha-level in our population. The ‘game concepts’ discussed here are tremendously powerful. The pursuit of sex has never been distilled down nearly as pure as it is here. Game has the most potential to catalyze major change in our society. What’s more realistic, a bunch of guys reading and implementing game, or exterminating and/or deporting whole races?. People have argued about race since the beginning of time. But never before has anyone been so exacting with that prime motivator of peoples’ actions, sex.

    If we want our society to have the power it once did, we need men to be able to focus on our work. The way it was when we were great, and the way men are naturally built – to do things in the world.. Not focus on appeasing princess-wives who expect everything, only to cheat anyway. Game will solve that problem. .

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  42. Aren’t 14 1/2 inch calves pretty big for a 5’5 woman? I always thought mine were HUGE to the point of being embarrassing (I’m 5’5 and 133, so I guess I need to lose 5 to be ‘perfect’) and they’re 13 1/2 inches. 25 inch thigh is kinda big too. I guess that the perfect woman is shaped like a pear.

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    • You protest too much.
      A woman that weighs 128 with 25 inch thighs has the legs of a fitness model,,, in the offseason. She is far from a pear. It is more likely that she has a big round ass and dense thighs…like the woman I saw at the market yesterday afternoon. Of course she had on white shorts.

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  43. Bluto

    I’m sure that some fugly feminist is going to pipe in that this was the ideal. btw, who names this stuff? Venus? For all we know it may have been made by some man as a joke. Or some guy playing with a lump of clay and 1.2 way through he threw it away without finishing it and it’s found 1000′s of years later. Oh look, those cavemen must have liked fat girls.
    —————————-

    Stop frontin, thats a nigger bitch and you know it. Thats Venus Williams.

    Cornrow hairdo, fat ass, big ol titties…

    Shaneequa-Von- illendorf is more like it.

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    • Yep, its true: the reason why non-black men avoid black women like the plague is because we find them so goddamn hot its unbearable.

      That’s the ticket.

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      • We’re only being avoided in the U.S. Elsewhere, guys don’t have a problem with us unless they’re mama’s boys with marriage restrictions. Even then they don’t exactly avoid us, just try to keep hitting it without putting a ring on it.

        Americans have just been brainwashed to de-sexualize Black women because White feminists viewed us as competition because we were the escape from the overly prudish White women while ideas like White privilege were being constructed. Before that, broke was broke. It had to be wrong to view us as sexual options because of slavery (which most White people couldn’t afford to participate in, but let’s not mess up the guilt with facts).

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      • lolzzlol

        Further commentary would be superfluous.

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      • Yeah, all those non-US guys are positively fiending after Auntie J’s in the non-US world. It’s only our evil racist patriarchy in the US that’s keeping us from pursuing the mannish, stupid, fat, ugly, anti-social, slutty nigger bitches,

        Face it, war pig: black women are on the bottom of the beauty scale, average wise. The sooner you accept reality, the sooner you can improve your welfare-ridden life.

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      • I see you haven’t been here very long. I am very well aware that I am a warpig. I don’t operate by the normal rules of society, and thankfully, am not in the market for normal men. I do however, know the difference between what is good for me personally, and what is good for normal people. I am very happy not to be normal. If I were, I would have opted for sleeve gastrectomy because I’d be suicidal enough over the prospect of being fat and therefore, unattractive to normal men, that the risk of surgery wouldn’t bother me.

        As it is, and although I live in a country where I could basically get it for free (it’s coming to a mandatory insurance law near you, never you worry), it is too high a risk for too little, pathetic, socially dependent reward.

        You may proceed with shock, horror, and disdain of my arrogance.

        Considering amateur social engineering a hobby of mine, I do think it is a good thing for people to be aware of the realities of life. The reality is, dear little whorefinder, that Black women in general, are neither fat, ugly, nor antisocial, and that many Black _American_ women may be is because we have a lot bigger concerns than whether or not someone who doesn’t even register in our minds as male, wishes to shag them.

        When you are a man who can do more than bitch and moan about women you, for the most part, don’t even have or want access to, then you’ll have a say, and someone might actually take your concerns seriously. As it is, well, I can’t see your reason for being in this conversation other than to spew insults at what you perceive to be an easy target on the internet.

        By now, you should wonder if perhaps your perception of me and of the world at large is a little skewed. However, people at your level of brainwashing aren’t prone to things like wonder or questioning assumptions. No, you just watch your television and eat whatever self pitying garbage it serves.

        Truth is that women of all colors can be anywhere on the scale, depending on her individual beauty. You can’t divide us aesthetically by color objectively. You can subjectively, and you are welcome to your opinion…but as some of us here are fond of saying, “Feelings are not facts.”

        I suspect your problem with Black women stems from your issues with Black men. We’re survivors and you are just a whiner. For a stronger European man, Black men or women aren’t such a big threat that a woman would look masculine and ugly just because she’s brown.

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      • Oh boy, warpig on the warpath. Must be PMSing big time:

        I see you haven’t been here very long.
        —As long as you have been bitching, warpig, I have been here.

        I am very well aware that I am a warpig. I don’t operate by the normal rules of society, and thankfully, am not in the market for normal men.
        —Sometimes the lies we tell ourselves are the most brutual and hilarious.

        I do however, know the difference between what is good for me personally, and what is good for normal people. I am very happy not to be normal. If I were, I would have opted for sleeve gastrectomy because I’d be suicidal enough over the prospect of being fat and therefore, unattractive to normal men, that the risk of surgery wouldn’t bother me.
        —Being a proper weight is about health as well. Fat isn’t healthy.

        As it is, and although I live in a country where I could basically get it for free (it’s coming to a mandatory insurance law near you, never you worry),
        —-Thank you for proving, once again, that niggers and women can’t do math, and think there is such a thing as free lunch.

        it is too high a risk for too little, pathetic, socially dependent reward.

        —Gotta love feminazis: denying reality to the end.

        You may proceed with shock, horror, and disdain of my arrogance.
        —Knowing laughter at you is all you get.

        The reality is… that Black women in general, are neither fat, ugly, nor antisocial,
        —LMAO. This is Kim Kardashian lying, 101: deny all facts, and you can assert anything counterlogical.

        and that many Black _American_ women may be is because we have a lot bigger concerns
        —Like not getting raped or murdered by black men. Or your waistlines.

        than whether or not someone who doesn’t even register in our minds as male, wishes to shag them.
        —Trust me, honey, no one but pathetic omega-lefty males want you, and they don’t register as male with anyone. But your “sour grapes” attitude is amusing.

        When you are a man who can do more than bitch and moan about women you, for the most part, don’t even have or want access to, then you’ll have a say, and someone might actually take your concerns seriously. As it is, well, I can’t see your reason for being in this conversation other than to spew insults at what you perceive to be an easy target on the internet.
        —lol. She’s got me all figured out because I’m mean to her! (/sarcasm)

        By now, you should wonder if perhaps your perception of me and of the world at large is a little skewed.
        —“By now, by reality-bending bullshit should have worked on you, because I’m a fat loud black woman.”

        FTFY

        However, people at your level of brainwashing
        —Watch out boys! Noticing reality=brainwashing. Its so insidious!

        aren’t prone to things like wonder or questioning assumptions.No, you just watch your television and eat whatever self pitying garbage it serves.
        —ROFL. Gotta love piece of shit lefties who claim they “think for themselves” (i.e. regurgitate the party line) and “don’t watch TV” (which now serves to reinforce the party line). Orwell would be proud—and horrified—by a beast such as you.

        Truth is that women of all colors can be anywhere on the scale, depending on her individual beauty.
        —-True. But black women are at the bottom on average. Just like with intelligence. Your people are ugly.

        You can’t divide us aesthetically by color objectively.
        —Yes, we can—by race. You are fatter than most (on average), you are mannish than most (on average), you are sluttier than most (on average), you are more anti-social than most (on average), and you are stupider than most (on average). Therefore, on average, you can be placed at the bottom of the pig pile.

        You can subjectively, and you are welcome to your opinion…but as some of us here are fond of saying, “Feelings are not facts.”
        —lol. Just because you “feel” objectivity doesn’t exist here doesn’t mean reality will stop intruding. Go find some broads and fags to work that bullshit on.

        I suspect your problem with Black women stems from your issues with Black men.
        —-the lefty pyschobabble combined with denial. It’s a lefty twofer!

        We’re survivors and you are just a whiner.
        —You are savages, and we are civilized.

        For a stronger European man, Black men or women aren’t such a big threat that a woman would look masculine and ugly just because she’s brown.

        —Plenty of feminine brown-skinned women—just not plenty in your race. Indian and South Asian women and Southern European and Northern African and South America all have produced groups of dark-skinned beauties, but even they recognize lighter skin looks more beautiful on women.

        Your race of monkeys produces very few, because, combined with your masculinity, anti-social behavior, sluttiness, and stupidity, you are just ghetto whores.

        Deal with it, bizznich.

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    • I’m sure the cave people had time to sit around and do cornrows. 🙄

      I’m seen women throughout Germany, indeed, throughout Europe, who’s naturally curly hair could be represented as such by some ancient craftsman hobbyist.

      http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMySCATlV5AXVtkbAkKkL9lz6WjmD12RL0HkokGbLFTXz97bAD
      http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTW4ayF6RPS7MCbTY_MDLBostCOZHZFyX-gsPNtCiadpxdj5OOw8g

      As far as the fat breasts and bottom go, well… we all know that no nation in the West has a monopoly on that.

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  44. […] Chateau Heartiste – 182 Days Of Blue Balls, Women Don’t Handle Rejection Well, Male Choosiness, Female Beauty And Monogamy, Are Messy Girls Easier Lays, White Woman, Dimensions Of A Perfect Woman […]

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  45. The Chinese have beauty standards too. Only theirs are *much* more detailed:

    http://ampontan.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/in-beauty-there-is-no-east-and-west/

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  46. […] proprietor of Chateau Heartiste was good enough to type out the explanation for easy reading: The dimensions of a perfect woman are: […]

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  47. on September 23, 2012 at 2:50 am Loves and Loving

    People who object to objectifying are a little bit hypocrite.
    Mr. Heartiste, objectifying of women is a hot topic, but no one seems to notice that men are actively objectified, too. All people are objectified. And that has a very good reason.
    Every person in the world, be it female or male, views itself as a Subject, as a Person, the Sun in its own heliocentric system. Other people are objects that it interacts with. Call them planets and orbiters. Now, there are the Mercuries and Venuses, that revolve close to the Subject (relatives, family, dear people), and there are the Plutos (cold relations). Unless the Sun breeds and produces little Supernovas that the Sun in question holds dearer than life, the planets around are actively dischargable. If my mother/father weren’t good parents, good people, I would not have them in my solar system, and I’ve seen folk doing that – dumping parents. Dumping relatives. Some even dumping their own children.
    Fair? No. Natural? Yes. It’s unnatural to hold someone dearer than your own life, unless it’s your child.
    Now, in a working relationship, the ideal state is two-fold heliocentric system – two Suns and planets around them. This is very, very hard to be done and requires hard work. Usually one revolves around the other. I shall now delve in theories of who is better to be revolving – male or female, for I’ve seen both work and both crash. There are some relationships that have quite interesting astronomical behavour – you see one day one revolves around the other, the next day it’s the other way around. This is a very, very stable partnership, too. My parents had it and I’m determined to repeat the pattern.

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  48. whorefinder
    Yep, its true: the reason why non-black men avoid black women like the plague is because we find them so goddamn hot its unbearable.
    —————————————————————
    You mean like Strom Thurmond?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/06/opinion/6sun3.html?ref=stromthurmond&_r=0

    Deep inside, all humans have a vestigial attraction for the big black mammy. It represent our longing for a connection with the original Earth mother; the first human to care more for another person than themselves. The first person to demonstrate the will and ability to care for a child not her own.

    The term “mammy” is now a perjorative for black women; but if it wasn’t for this behavior, none of us would be here.

    Your very name is an attempt to reject and deny your mammy love.

    Stop hating and embrace your inner negro child.

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    • Heh… it takes a mammylover to know a mammylover…

      And thwack, well… he be a sho’ nuff mammylover… that’s a natchell fact!

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    • If that’s true, how’s come I dig Asian chicks?

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    • Some good ol’ boy once banged a negro = all whites want to bang a negro… case closed.

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      • All niggers who rise above half-literacy are in permanent nigger-hamster overdrive. As with feminists, every human phenomenon is reinterpreted to serve their vanity and will-to-power. Despite rock-solid data proving that no one is interested in black women and everyone is interested in ours, they’re free to imagine that it’s we who have secret lust for their obese, broad-shouldered racial cohorts.

        Well, I’ve never fucked a black bitch; nor have you. I have, however, fucked at least five white girls who’ve been fucked by niggers. I wonder how many thwack’s defiled?

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      • So much self pity concentrated in such a short post.

        Why does it bother you so much that some men find us or hey, playing devil’s advocate here, any “imperfect” woman attractive?

        All women are imperfect, as are all men. People are going to fuck anyway. Well, the viable, evolutionarily relevant people anyway. This is life. Embrace it.

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      • “Some” men… not “all”… not a “majority”… not even a “significant percentage”.

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      • You just had to say something. Doesn’t matter if it makes any sense, just something.

        Does it bother you that people with flaws that do not include extreme insecurity and social retardation, but may not conform to your beauty standards, manage to successfully breed? Bonus, successfully breed productive humans who actually create and contribute to humanity and the world at large? Do you find this unfair?

        Would you like a handkerchief?

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      • You make it sound like the fact that SOME men will fuck anything is a revelation.

        Sorry, but black women are not in demand to the same extent as white women… but don’t take my word for it… just check with the men of your own race.

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      • Greg, you are living in a fantasy. The day Cigstache is universally viewed as more physically attractive than Lauren Hill, you will have a point.

        Until then, I am sure that you are a White woman who is butthurt about the fact that some men would rather take the laceration risk of shagging the blackest panther than the whitest walrus.

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      • Exceptions simply prove the rule, Nicole.

        1. Men don’t like bitches. Black women are more likely than white women to be bitches.
        2. Men don’t like fat broads. Black women are more likely than white women to be fat broads.

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      • Corvinus, Black women are not fat. Americans are fat. Black Americans suffer more than others from eating unnaturally and are more likely to be poor or to have been food insecure at some point in their lives, and then cop with that by overeating when they are no longer food insecure. You can’t define Black women by American standards, not to mention, a good proportion of the (fat) Black women in the U.S. are mixed.

        Since plenty of broke White women are fat too, you really don’t know if it’s not the European admixture that is partly responsible for their greater chance of being obese. It certainly influences fat distribution, as does the crap food that is available in the U.S.

        African women just aren’t fat on average, even when they’re wealthy. You go outside the U.S. and you see people who are eating naturally, and you don’t see too many fat women of any ethnicity. If someone is fat, it’s usually because they have some other health problem that led to that.

        So your judging us all based on what you see in your little bubble is stupid.

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      • About the bitchy thing, well, women are generally bitches towards men they’re not interested in. What Black men who aren’t feminized caricatures experience is quite another world from what others see. Also, once we’ve had enough, we’re not going to dwell on it for years. You screw up, and your ass gotta go.

        It’s being real, not being a bitch.

        There are plenty though, who are very traumatized because being women, they’re no less socially dependent just because the society is against them.

        We are constantly told from the day we pass infancy, that we are ugly, even if it isn’t true. Even though there are more Black women on television and whatnot, we’re only considered acceptable if we are covering that up as well as possible. We sacrifice a lot of our natural beauty for the more acceptable fakery and then end up legitimately ugly because of it.

        What’s even more mind fucking is that even though we’re told we’re ugly and that something is wrong with us, if we’re not actually ugly, every dude we meet wants to shag us, and it catches us off guard. Many, many of us were sexually abused, not because there are so many perverts, but because the few there are pick out neglected, underconfident, confused kids as targets.

        This is yet another reason why not to let society dictate beauty standards. If a girl is hot but doesn’t know it, she doesn’t know to preserve or defend her assets. This makes her vulnerable to mistreatment that ends up traumatizing her, and she can well become a self fulfilling prophecy of ugliness or uglify herself as a defense.

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      • “About the bitchy thing, well, women are generally bitches towards men they’re not interested in.”

        Absolutely untrue. Women — well, hot women anyway — are bitches to almost all men that approach them because they get approached so much. It’s a shit test to weed out the weak men who won’t press on in the face of bitchiness.

        “We are constantly told from the day we pass infancy, that we are ugly, even if it isn’t true.”

        Actually the opposite is true. The MSM goes out of its way to state that “everyone is beautiful” no matter what. The idea that there’s some massive movement out there telling women of any ethnicity that they are unattractive is false on its face.

        “What’s even more mind fucking is that even though we’re told we’re ugly and that something is wrong with us, if we’re not actually ugly, every dude we meet wants to shag us, and it catches us off guard.”

        Most men do not want to “shag” ugly girls. Even the lowest omega has hope against hope that he may one day score a decent-looking girl. The idea that all men hope to bed the homeliest of women is so laughable it hardly warrants response.

        “This is yet another reason why not to let society dictate beauty standards.”

        A false premise. Beauty is objective and consistent across time and cultures.

        “If a girl is hot but doesn’t know it, she doesn’t know to preserve or defend her assets.”

        The myth of the hot girl who doesn’t know she’s hot is a product of bad television. Hot girls know they’re hot even if they don’t admit it.

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      • Greg, you are living in a fantasy. The day Cigstache is universally viewed as more physically attractive than Lauren Hill, you will have a point.

        Aw, hell… as if anyone were trying to say that the ugliest white woman is still better than the best looking black woman!

        Of course, this sort of disingenuous statement is Nicole’s specialty… she thinks it gains her debating point when, in fact, it merely makes her ridiculous screeds even more tiresome.

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      • Okay, Greg, then what exactly are you trying to say? I am giving you as much room as you need to backpedal for dear life. Go on.

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      • “All women are imperfect, as are all men.”

        That’s a strawman argument. People aren’t attracted to so-called perfection. They’re attracted to the positive traits they value — i.e., physical attractiveness in women or social status in men. As long as a person has these they can also have any number of imperfections and still be found attractive.

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      • It may be a strawman, but apparently some people actually need to be reminded of it.

        I agree with you on attractiveness though. However, things need to be viewed in proportion to grasp the reality of what attractiveness is, and how it works.

        A near perfectly beautiful body is not such a unique or special thing as aesthetically starved people in the U.S. and U.K. may believe. Almost all African women in stable societies are slender and well proportioned into menopause and often into old age.

        Femininity is beautiful, and so long as men aren’t socially manipulated otherwise, this is the objective truth of it. Y’all love the estrogen…like flies to sugar.

        A high estrogen woman can even afford some visible physical imperfection, *within reasonable limits*, and still be more than okay. So dick sizing over the minor details of what kind of high estrogen package one finds best is kind of silly.

        I do think a good bit of the hate on Black women has to do with a kind of jealousy. They have to make us ugly even though, with the exception of off feed Americans (myself included, but I’m recovering), we’re much fitter and behaviorally more feminine than European American women. It’s not just about us though, the mentality can be used by extension as an excuse not to seek a partner from a more natural European country. Hate of foreigners or “the other” makes it easier to make all sorts of excuses to sit on one’s ass and do nothing about one’s situation but complain.

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      • Uh, Nicole, we aren’t “making” y’all “ugly”. Y’all are doing that to yourselves.

        Scroll to the last page. 32.2% of white women are obese, but 58.5% of black women are.
        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/obesity_adult_09_10/obesity_adult_09_10.pdf

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      • Oh I’m sorry, Corvinus, you want to be pedantic. Fine. Y’all have to make us seem exceptionally ugly compared to White women because of jealousy and because you’ve been brainwashed.

        Just because a higher percentage of us in the U.S. are statistically obese, taking no other factors into account, we are universally and globally exceptionally ugly compared to other women. This is your line of thinking, and it is silly and I’m sorry but overly feminine.

        Who the fuck cares about statistics if they see a hot chick who turns them on? It’s insane.

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      • Hot girls know they’re hot even if they don’t admit it.

        Not if they live in an area where the % of good looking girls is high or if they are in an upper class area where people are generally better looking. They may believe they are average looking and they are for the area.. The proles may be uglier but these girls don’t know or associate with them and they would never use them as an example of anything to compare themselves with.

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      • Turbo, the “everyone is beautiful” thing is a joke. They say that behind airbrushed, surgically enhanced, hairweaved, models wearing a ton of makeup. Plus, this is only very recent.

        I’m not sure if you were alive back in the 70s when they were telling us all that any scrap of fat was conforming to the evil patriarchy. Then there was the 80’s when anybody even moderately chubby must be a mentally ill sexual abuse victim. Feminists hate fat women. If you look at most of the spokespeople for it, they’re not fat because behind the jokes of “everyone is beautiful” what they are doing is luring women in with self acceptance and then digging for anything they can blame on men, and part of the recovery process is whatever weight loss scheme Oprah is pushing this week.

        Learn to read between the lines. A bleached anorexic or cow with the hip to waist ratio of an actual bovine with silicone boobs and a hairweave is not telling me that the mainstream media thinks everyone is beautiful. It’s telling me they think everyone who conforms well enough is beautiful, and the beauty they’re pushing always comes in a jar or at the end of a scalpel.

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    • Nigger, are you so stupid you haven’t learned to click “reply” when you want to , ahem, “reply” to a post?

      Other than that, you bullshit is positively lol. Niggers breed ugly women. lol. Deal with it, monkey.

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      • Better ugly than weak.

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      • You’re running your mouth too much Nicole. The edicts of Mr. Pointyface are not subject to appeal.

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      • I could avoid the conversation entirely, and post criticisms on my own blog, but they wouldn’t feel as free to be idiotic there. When I am probing the sewers of human insecurity, I like the subjects to have room to flail and struggle. Then I can see what I’m looking at with no worries that I may be mischaracterizing anyone.

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      • Stop glorifying Africa. The few black Americans who visit there, seem to have an renewed appreciation for being Americans.

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      • I’ll stop glorifying Africa when Africa ceases to be glorious.

        Of course those who are weak and lazy would better appreciate a place where Black people were expected to be weak and lazy than a place where they are expected to either strive to do something useful with their lives, or hurry up and die to make room for a better consumer of oxygen.

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      • Yes, glorious old Africa with its famines, pestilence, wars, genocide, poverty… glorious!

        Do you really believe any of the bullshit you’re slinging?

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      • Turbo, until there are no homeless people and no violence in the U.S. you have no point.

        Also, not all of Africa is starving, though bugs are part of life when your water supply isn’t full of pesticides and other estrogenic “goodies”.

        That’s why it’s good to have tough, dark skin and a good immune system.

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      • I’m just kinda baffled here…Dude calling me a nigger gets no resistance. Black woman saying essentially that she doesn’t owe you compliance, all hell breaks loose.

        You honestly don’t see how pathetic you people look.

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      • Who called you a nigger, besides thwack?

        Don’t take it personally… he calls all blacks niggers.

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      • Yes, black women may look like mannish monkeys,. but they be strong, yo! Theys keepings it for reals. Which is why their sons are violent anti-social morons and their babydaddys never marry them and are also violent stupid losers. and, of course, strong enough to demand handout after handout after handout and blaming whitey for all their problems, including low IQ.

        That’s true “strength”, Autnie J. You’re so right.

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      • Nicole,
        Whorefinder’s comment was in response to Thwack, not you.

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  49. Turbo
    If that’s true, how’s come I dig Asian chicks?
    ——————————————————-

    Because they are the “gateway mammy” for white males.

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  50. Off topic:

    Heartiste you’ll like this – the power of the breakup and women ensuring they maintain control of their sexual relationships (especially to men they deem unworthy):

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  51. Tarzan is the white male equivalent of the white female movie star adopting the pitiful starving helpless niglet from Africa.

    She is getting in touch with her inner black mammy.

    And Tarzan?

    a helpless white baby found and raised by a big black ape mother grows up to be LORD of the jungle.

    Tarzan say: “Unk, nakima…bomongani..” (translation: “Mammeeee, oh mammeee…)

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    • Meh. I was always a John Carter guy.

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    • Those sly foxes at MGM put up Vivian Leigh strictly as eye-candy, but just knew that all the boys would be fapping to Hattie McDaniel.

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      • Niggers are mentally incapable of understanding sarcasm unless its pretty blunt and directed towards someone else.

        In other words, a nigger like thwack thinks you’re serious.

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  52. OT

    In the recent earthquake in Pakistan rescuers recovered 10,000 bodies….

    and tomorrow they are going into the second house…

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  53. I don’t believe hotness and desirability are immutable, even over the short term. When I was growing up it would have been inconceivable to have found a black woman attractive. Due to relentless brainwashing they’re now almost, well no, but the attitude to them has changed quite a lot.

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    • Hey pal, those “black” girls are really more white.

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      • Exactly… people like thwack and Nicole would have us believe that finding Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams “hot” is the same as lusting after Hattie McDaniel.

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      • Nice of you to tell me what I think. It would also be nice of you to provide some evidence. When I think of an archtypical western Black woman, I’m thinking of Grace Jones or Lauren Hill.

        Many men consider them very hot. If you don’t that’s your business, but I think it’s awfully female of you to press the idea that it is somehow wrong for other men to find them sexy.

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      • A woman using “female” as an insult?

        The comedy writes itself.

        I don’t care what other men fuck… let’s face it, most are dogs.

        But don’t tell me that black females are much sought after equal to other races… every hook-up site and anecdotal post puts the lie to that bullshit.

        I mean, it’s understandable that you try to stick up for your own kind… but don’t couch that as some sort of moral high ground or quest for truth.

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      • Most pickup and hookup sites in English are for people from the U.S. and U.K. Despite what many of you would like to believe, you are not representative of the world, and most of you are way too brainwashed and too under educated to even play at calling yourselves objective.

        Basically, you have no idea of what the truth is. You just, like most Americans, live with your heads in a bubble where no observations made outside your little suburban town or reachable from the office chair, can be valid.

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      • You’re so oblivious, you don’t realize how ridiculous you sound when you talk about others being ‘brainwashed’.

        Miseducation in the PC liberal arts, of which you’re obviously a victim, does not equate to others being under educated… it just means your head is filled with nonsense that amounts to even less than the proverbial ‘sound and fury’.

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      • Greg, if I sound PC and liberal to you then you are obviously hallucinating my posts rather than actually reading them.

        Still not helping the girl thing. You post like a morbidly obese White woman who is mad because not even Lil’ Golden Grill down the road will touch her anymore, so you need to make other dudes feel bad for liking Beyonce or Lauren Hill so you can get laid.

        Might not be, but this is what you seem like. If I was a dude, I wouldn’t want to seem that insecure.

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      • You keep trying this strange variation of ‘bitter/jealous’ litany, but it’s weak play.

        Seldom does projection come out so blatantly, but your ‘obese woman’ nonsense directed my way is textbook.

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      • so you need to make other dudes feel bad for liking Beyonce… so you can get laid.

        If you’re trying to make a point about the beauty of black women, you really shouldn’t use one who tries her best to look so white as an example.

        And again, I could care less what other men find as their object of desire… nor does that affect my personal love life.

        Your line of reasoning here is truly obtuse, moreso than usual, which is saying a lot.

        If that’s what an alleged education does for you, well… I’ll let others judge where your tuition might have been better spent.

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      • Hey Greg, I think you left out a Lauren Hill. You’re slipping.

        You have no justification for your behavior here that can withstand the scrutiny of logic, so you make false arguments, move goalposts, and now try to play that you don’t care.

        I never said that we were equally sought out. My argument is that this does not matter when one is pursuing one quality mate and not more johns on the street corner. So as long as we are sought out enough, we’re not worried that dudes who are practically girls to us, and some like weaker girls compared to us, don’t want to shag us.

        I also don’t take the moral high ground with this. Again, a common saying here, “It’s not about deserve.”

        You expressed a problem with this. I basically expressed that this is the reality and that you should just suck it up and learn to deal with it.

        No Black woman gives a flying fuck that White American men find them unattractive. Some care that some self hating Black men find Black women unattractive. No men who aren’t very strictly socially programmed outside of the U.S. determines that Black women are ugly by virtue of their being Black. Black women outside the U.S. are not generally fat, ugly, or bitchy. In fact, quite a few of them accept social systems in which they can be lashed in the street for mouthing off to their husband. If anything, we are the hardest sells for feminism ever. To accept it in the U.S. we had to be isolated and have our cultures forcibly removed from out psyches. As soon as we get it back, we’re back to “ride or die”.

        So you who get your information about Black women from nowhere but the television and women who are telling you to fuck off because your attention is unwanted, or the traumatized minority who hate themselves because people like you insist that they should, are simply wrong.

        You know nothing about us.

        …but we know everything about you.

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      • When I think of an archtypical western Black woman, I’m thinking of Grace Jones or Lauren Hill.

        Yeah, that’s what most of you look like. 🙄

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      • Which clearly she does not.

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      • Turbo, I’m mixed, so I wouldn’t be arch typical, now would I?

        I’m not so narcissistic as to believe that I am representative of or speak for all Black women any more than I’d believe I am representative of or speak for all Native American or English women.

        I’m just saying, when I think “Black woman” I think of an African woman.

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      • Neither Grace Jones nor Lauren Hill are African so I don’t see your point.

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      • Turbo, they are western arch typical Black women who are better known than “some Himba woman I met at the supermarket”.

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      • Yeah, it still doesn’t make any sense but that’s ok. I’ve lost all interest.

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      • Okay, here are some arch typical African women: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=371830999564371&set=a.359505170796954.84512.359503814130423&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

        This is what I think of when someone says “Black women”. It’s not that I don’t consider others Black, just that in a discussion about looks, I would class mixed women as mixed and African or mostly African women as Black.

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      • Bluto
        Hey pal, those “black” girls are really more white.
        ——————————————–
        Not to worry, when white people start hanging niggers again, they may get raped first, but they will still get hung.

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      • when white people start hanging niggers again,

        ridiculous

        black on white crime numbers are already about 15 times higher than white on black

        And what about the threats from the new black panthers?

        if for some reason all hell breaks loose it will be whites who be hunted down in the west

        odds are it will be white people who be hanged by black people ( or by muslims )

        and even while it will be happening some white liberal males will say we deserve it.

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      • “black on white crime numbers are already about 15 times higher than white on black”

        I guess that doesn’t make for interesting news so doesn’t get reported. And yet supposedly *we’re* the ones out there oppressing minorities. ROFL

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  54. My Afrocentrism?

    I never made no shrine to the black mammy?

    Don’t be afraid of the dark cause Mammy will always be there for you.

    this many crackers be wrong

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna

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    • You should pay attention to your own citings:

      In this specialized sense “Black Madonna” does not refer to images of the Virgin Mary portrayed as specifically ethnically black, which are popular in Africa and areas with large black populations,

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      • EXACTLY!

        her blackness is symbolic.

        But symbolic of what?

        And do white people see this sybolism in black women and reject it?

        You’re having a “come to Mary” moment?

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    • Louis C.K.:

      “What can you really call a white man that really digs deep? Hey, cracker… oh, ruined my day. Boy shouldn’t have called me a cracker, bringing me back to owning land and people, what a drag.”

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  55. Now, for the sake of clarity, I’d like to share, if I may, what my problem is with the social manipulation of beauty standards and ideals. It is always a tool used mainly by women to enforce status between women. Men like what they like, and there’s enough variety in that range of preferences regardless of culture, to cover most healthy women who’ve adapted well to their regional environment. It is women who decide whose looks are more or less socially acceptable.

    This has led to a whole lot of beauty being wasted…beautiful girls with nothing particularly wrong with them being overlooked, downgraded, or mistreated because their beauty is socially inconvenient. I see this with my own eyes here in Israel, with women of many ethnicities who are technically non Jewish being treated like they’re disposable, while Jewish women can look and behave very ugly and still be sought after only because they are the “right” religious designation on paper.

    Almost never do I hear from any of the pussies who hold the opinion that only women within their own ethnicity deserve commitment, that their father determined this. It is always their mother who would be heartbroken if they brought home an “outsider”.

    I use Israel as an example because it is basically a westernized country that still has these screwed up ideas around ethnicity, but it is the same when guys let the television with its manjawed cyborg ideal or feminists or anyone else other than themselves determine what and who is right for them. Granted, I understand that most people are socially dependent, and this is never going to change, but I don’t think it’s too much to ask that people in so-called free societies do better about getting their nose out of other people’s consenting adult crotches.

    Without too much social interference, aesthetically, most men would prefer young, slender but proportional women. I have no argument with this. However, again without too much social interference, most men would be realistic and well rounded enough to understand that “not all that glitters is gold”. Tradeoffs must sometimes be made if one wishes to spend one’s life with the kind of person overall who they would enjoy growing old with.

    For the same reason I believe in the rights of Gay men to be with who they choose, I believe in the same rights for Straight men as well. Love is precious, and being real here, in order for societies to be stable, families must be stable, and they won’t be if the people in them do not feel irrationally bound to one another. Selection based on perceived logic and shaped by social standards with no regard for Nature is stupid. It may seem like a good idea on paper, but ultimately if people have no deep interest in one another’s wellbeing, things will fall apart.

    So men need to take their balls back, and out of the hands of feminists and supporting corporations. Too many of you have already fallen into the teenage tranny trap. If you don’t get this thing in hand, your sons will fall into the grainfed shapeless cow trap.

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    • The chateau was better without your inane pseudo-intellectual bloviating.

      Please reinstate your erstwhile hiatus.

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      • Figures that you would be against the boner test. Are you a girl? We have had some posers here in the past, so it’s a legitimate question.

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      • And again, a female using feminine nomenclature as an insult.

        Self-loath much?

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      • You didn’t answer the question.

        See, a fair proportion of the more vitriolic posters advocating the testicular bondage of other men, have turned out to be females.

        Some were trying to give the site a bad name, while others were self interested and got butthurt because they got all happy about the anti fat posts but then when the cold light of day shone on their manjaws it made them cry.

        Look honey, I am of course no beauty queen myself, but I don’t have issues with dudes’ preferences. Learning the realities of life was good for me, and it’ll be good for you too.

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      • The question was ridiculous and required no answer.

        And from what I could tell of posts on this blog, it’s the ‘all bodies are good bodies’ crowd that leave the chateau in tears, not the ones who advocate against women’s obesity.

        You see to have an unerring proclivity to see up as down. The mockery shall continue.

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      • It is not a ridiculous question, considering it is very rare for men who are not brainwashed to use any type of social pressure, insults, or verbal bullying to assert that some women they may find attractive, and objectively are, must be ugly by virtue of their color…that a man must be desperate and willing to “shag anything” to have sex with a Black woman.

        Women however, typically take these things too far here. One could even call me chick bait that way. I have a tendency to drive jealous bitches crazy. It’s kind of funny because I do keep reminding them that I’m no beauty queen, just aware enough that I’ve become efficient.

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      • It is not a ridiculous question, considering it is very rare for men who are not brainwashed to use any type of social pressure, insults…

        Heh… says she who never fails to throw around the usual ‘bitter/jealous/insecure/less-of-a-man’ litany. Physician, heal thyself.

        that a man must be desperate and willing to “shag anything” to have sex with a Black woman.

        That’s what you read into it… my initial statement was merely a parry to your insistence that men were hot-to-trot for black women to the same (nay, perhaps even moreso, in your bizarro world, if only there weren’t so-called social pressure not to!) extent as the women of other races… with a soupcon of ‘all bodies are good bodies’ thrown into the mix, under the guise of “nobody’s perfect”.

        Sorry, doll face… the reason you’re not getting enough sex isn’t because guys are talking about how much prettier white women are… no matter how many pictures of Cigstache you may find.

        And here’s a clue for ya… it ain’t the white women who are jealous of the sistahs.

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    • Almost never do I hear from any of the pussies who hold the opinion that only women within their own ethnicity deserve commitment, that their father determined this. It is always their mother who would be heartbroken if they brought home an “outsider”.

      Women are the safeguarders of genes, men are the plunderers. It’s the same in my own family, where my mom and late grandma (her mom) stated their opposition to me or my siblings getting involved with nonwhites. My dad on the other hand is color-blind.

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      • There you have it… any white man who doesn’t want to create pickaninnies is a pussy.

        The enemy makes him/herself plainly known, people. Anyone who threatens a future for WHITE children is my enemy.

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      • It’s not that you prefer to shag and make babies with White women. It’s that you waste time that you could be shagging White women, hating on Black ones.

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      • As everyone here knows from previous posts, I’ve made my share of white children, so fail more on your usual outhouse psychology.

        Most of the ‘more virulent’ posters here don’t hate black women or men, per se… just the ones who talk shit about white people and would deny us our future.. and who stink up the chateau with their afrocentrist fairy tales or inane “white privilege/you’re just jealous” bizarro-world babbling..

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      • Again, you are hallucinating my posts. So you may be male, but if you’re so mentally destabilized by simple non compliance and intolerance of anti individualism that you can’t read accurately, I encourage you to untie your panties that are obviously in a wad regardless of your actual gender.

        Take a step back and reread.

        When you’ve calmed down, we might be able to be civil.

        As it is, I can’t continue a debate with a hysterical person. Nobody talked shit about White people. I simply stated that not everybody likes you just because you’re White, and nobody is obligated to.

        Nobody owes you shit.

        If that’s hard for you to read, then you do need a breather.

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      • Your projection is tiresome… remove the twisted panties from thine own butt crack before pointing at the lint in mine.

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    • “I use Israel as an example because it is basically a westernized country that still has these screwed up ideas around ethnicity”

      Israelis are perfectly right not to desire having their gene pool polluted by your fucked up negro genes.
      Any country that loosens its ethnicity standards is doomed to miscegenation and in most cases, africanization. Negroes are trash, and instead of denying it, you will find peace and tranquility in acknowledging that the genes that you carry are useless at best.

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      • Were it not for “miscgenation” and the presence of Black men in the U.S. American men would have forgotten how to piss standing up over 20 years ago.

        You should thank even the worst of stereotypical thug media icons, for bothering to stay in your cesspool of wussery. Lil’ Wayne is why you don’t have to ask your assigned female work nanny for permission to browse this site.

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      • Heh… unfortunately, you kind of have a point.

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      • American men forgot how to ‘piss standing up’ some 50 years ago, starting in 1954.

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      • Lil Wayne isn’t a reason for anything. He is a designated pet for some people with very poor taste.

        And there is nothing masculine about a creature that is functionally retarded, sexually indiscriminate and has communication skills of a 3 year old. His actions aren’t a result of confidence and courage, but of an id completely unrestricted by ego. The fact that indulging such creature is currently in vogue doesn’t mean that the specimen deserves credit for anything.

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      • Our women fight like men… and our men like women.

        Take notice of Lily, white boys and white girls… this is how it’s done.

        A rare pearl indeed, especially since we’re used to our women coddling and acting the apologist for everyone except their own.

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      • on September 24, 2012 at 3:52 am gunslingergregi

        white men can fight true story

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      • Are we really going to descend into pedantic nitpicking? Really?

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      • Nitpicking? Says she who would hold up a picture of Cigstache and use that as some sort of argument against the general beauty of white women?

        You really are tiresome… what made you again come to the chateau after giving us a most welcomed reprieve from your bloviating these past few weeks?

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      • Nobody was arguing against the beauty of White women. I was just saying being White doesn’t make anyone beautiful any more than being Black makes someone ugly.

        I mean, it’s good that you have an active imagination, but in an argument, you should know what you’re arguing about.

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      • Listen Nicole,
        I don’t share Greg Elliots attitudes about “worthlesness” of the black genes, and i respect you.

        But let’s face it, blacks do what they do for themselves, and everybody does everything for themselves, and their pack. If American whites are going to became soo emasculated and weak they’re going to became that no matter what, and who. And than those groups that didn’t(that remained somewhat backward, but nevertheless agressive) will get their chance to get to the upper ladder of the society. Example that ring in my mind is Roman Empire. In western roman empire barbarians were in last 150 years already something to prime ministers of the empire, and held all of the power in their hands. You know how that played out, right? You can say they were majority of the empire’s population by then, true, but than in the eastern empire it wasn’t so, but even there barbarians held similar positions of power, thanks to emasculated romans. But since they were still the majority, they expelled the barbarians (the Goths – to the west) and as it seems – got masculated again, since these experiences with the barbarians thought them a lesson.

        Whites of USA don’t owe you folks anything. If they gonna man up, it’s because the water had come to the neck. And water coming to the neck can have numerous reasons, not only you coming to the upper positions of the society, but that would just be a symptom. So It’s not somebody in the prison or ghetto that’s making American white males less submissive(they could have watched talibans executing their wives on stadium to achieve the same effect, if you think it has that much of an influence), thus it has never been an example of somebody’s behaviour that is not of your pack.

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      • I don’t share Greg Elliots attitudes about “worthlesness” of the black genes, and i respect you.

        Don’t put words in my mouth, pilgrim.

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      • Someone put pickaninnies in your mouth?

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      • A white man not wanting to race mix (nor be considered a ‘pussy’ by some big mouth cooze because he doesn’t) is the equivalent of saying black genes are ‘worthless’?

        Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but not their own dictionary.

        Once again, fail more. (note: that’s a rebuke, not an exhortation.)

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      • There has to be a way to balance though. I believe most of the weakness and bubble headedness comes more from an illusion of security than actual security. Somehow, despite being largely broke and lonely, White Americans got it in their heads, some that they have, some that they should have, the luxury of being weak and stupid. If someone challenges that idea well…you see what happens.

        I believe that thug culture as a trend, has a tremendous influence on the American mentality. It isn’t always a positive influence, but it is stimulating enough to women that it is one of the things that holds the line. So long as women like masculinity, they will be hesitant to do as much to crush it. It doesn’t matter that the icons are not in their “pack”. They’re visible enough and famous and popular enough that they do some of the job.

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      • Somehow, despite being largely broke and lonely, White Americans got it in their heads, some that they have, some that they should have, the luxury of being weak and stupid.

        lolzzz… whites are ‘largely’ broke and lonely, weak and stupid.

        Living on the dole in their suburban bubbles, eh?

        In the actual world (not the one in Nicole’s never-neverland head), when one hears the words “weak and stupid”, it’s normally not the white race that comes to mind.

        This really is becoming too much… you’re trolled well, my dear, and have outlasted my patience.

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      • Greg, I hate to break it to you, but weak and stupid is exactly what most people in the world think White Americans are. I should probably add fat.

        I look forward to the day when I’m not quite so fat anymore, because as it stands, people say it’s the one thing that indicated to them when they met me that I might be American. It tickles me that now that I’m a bit less fat than I used to be, not everybody is certain when they meet me.

        When I was bigger though, it was just automatic.

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      • No, weak and stupid is what they *say* we are because they fear us. What they know deep down and what they are afraid to admit is that we are the exact opposite of weak and stupid, both as individuals and as a nation. What comes out of their mouths is jealousy. What lives in their hearts is the stark realization that we are everything we claim to be.

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      • No, weak and stupid is what they *say* we are. What they know and fear in their hearts is that we are the exact opposite.

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      • No weak and stupid is what they say you are because every time one of you stupid fuckers comes here and tries to push up on some Russian guy’s girlfriend, they kick your asses…well, finish up the ass kicking that the girl herself or a bit more butch female friend begins.

        They call you weak and stupid because this very same scenario or something similar plays itself out everywhere in the world you people go.

        People fear Russians for their endurance and courage. People fear the Scottish for the same plus miraculous hand to hand killing abilities. People fear Israelis…even the short skinny ones who look like mad midgets. If people fear White Americans, it’s for their propensity to fatal stupidity.

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      • Just a bit of advice, but your vulgar language combined with your obesity and complete inattention to your looks pretty much ensures that you will never land a good man.

        As to the rest of your comments… you wish that were true.

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      • Turbo, you are also in hysteriaville now. I’ve been married twice, and the second I am still with. He is a better man than you, and guess what?

        He’s White.

        Now here’s some more vulgar language. Fuck you and your overly entitled women. I hope you’re happy there grovelling under the pedestal while they shit on you and fuck Pooty Tang.

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    • I don’t find black women attractive. Not saying none of the can be, but for the most part they DON’T pass the boner test. The feminist men who crow about “society’s standards of beauty” will never find land whales attractive either, even if they buy into the propaganda on an intellectual level. They’ll just mentally self-flagellate themselves for being taken by The Man. Whether you like it or not, most black women (actual black, not mixed) look too alien for the average white male to find attractive (adjusted for desperation).

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      • For the most part do women of any race pass the boner test?

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      • If a typical man is horny enough most women will pass the boner test. That said, around these parts, most asians/whites/mixed girls are quite attractive, and even the plain ones keep in shape. It’s good living near a college.

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      • I’ve lived in the bay area. DC. and now the beach.
        The race pool of women with the highest % of most attractive vaginas is Asian> White > Black. It’s mostly a weight thing.

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  56. The finding in many places of lots of old stone carvings that depict
    stone aged females shaped like an overstuffed cellulite fireplug can be explained fairly easily That period of history was one of constant intra-tribal warfare. An ideal weapon of the that time should have worked on several levels if the design was carefully thought thru. For example, a well designed pommel on a sword could be used as an excellent halbard when push comes to shove. Likewise, A large, round-ish rock getting a good throw might split a skull from time to time. But even if there was a clean miss, and the fetish bomb lands close by. the enemy will suffer a steep collapse of morale or even loose the desire to go on living if they are forced to encounter too many over time.

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  57. on September 23, 2012 at 11:56 pm oo-ee-oo-ah-ah-ting-tang-wallah-wallah-bing-bang

    ruebens is a wierd d00d. he beyond doubt painted pudgy chicks, but if you look at *his* slam-piece (or his “muse”, as it was called then) she was thin and really a pretty nice catch. As to why he was painting fat chix, it’s the same reason Vogue et al writes about how “fat is in!”: it sells
    Your format doesn’t permit picture embeds, but a google search of “rueben’s muse” will confirm that just ‘cuz you paint ’em doesn’t mean you bang ’em

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  58. A BMI of less than 19 is generally not healthy for an adult. Exceptions could be people with an adult height of 5’1 ” or under.

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  59. on September 24, 2012 at 12:47 am gunslingergregi

    my heads fucked called my exception to the rule crosses fingers

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  60. on September 24, 2012 at 12:53 am gunslingergregi

    wonder if i have to click my heels together and say it three times or something

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  61. on September 24, 2012 at 12:56 am gunslingergregi

    i need my msexceptiontotherule
    i need my msexceptiontotherule
    i need my msexceptiontotherule

    maybe that will work course i guess its late he he he

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  62. on September 24, 2012 at 1:02 am gunslingergregi

    chick in pic got some pretty good size bicepts goin there from handwashing clothes prob

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  63. on September 24, 2012 at 1:20 am gunslingergregi

    perfect yea i think only a white chick can heal the demon maybe
    finally got my shit together so don’t have to be a leech grr hopefully she ain’t married up allready

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    • Don’t be a hater. It’s not fair to the, eh, ‘imperfect’ women, who need love too.

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      • No wrinkles, no makeup, and gigantic breasts. Here’s a more recent pic in the middle of the night, sweating at a club: http://ironwynch.com/scrolls/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/me-at-wunderbar.jpg

        You don’t have to like me, but you do have to admit that I am not an old prune who hit the wall and slid down it. Now run along and compare me to a model wearing makeup and skincare by photoshop. Go on now.

        Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s see your wife at my age. Hell, guess my age. 😉

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      • No one ever said you were an ‘old prune’… and the ‘imperfect’ was merely restating the very word you used.

        And who said I don’t like you? Can’t a man slap you around a little bit due to your inane logic and motor-driven mouth without being accused of hating? 🙂

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  64. If anything nowadays guys have to be fatty-lovers if they’re to get any since women of a healthy weight are getting harder to find with each generation.

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  65. Do you think morality is objectibve? Beauty falls into the same category as that.

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  66. Beautiful post. I salute you.

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  67. I’ve always liked a bit of meat on my woman: http://cdn.primecurves.com/vanessa-bathroom-boobs/12.jpg That’s as far as we can take it though. That and skinnier is my range.

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  68. Greg, don’t be afraid of the dark

    Hell Mary

    she plays a leading role in the mysteries of death, rebirth and the underworld. She is the shadow aspect of the Madonna – relating to heretical knowledge.

    ‘She is black because she is the gateway and symbol of everything we could know in the apparent blackness beyond visible sight; because she represents all those forces that surround us which are not perceived (by our senses), but which extend from the visible spectrum into unexplored modes of being. She is also black because she is the goddess of clairvoyance and the second sight. The Black Madonna has been called Notre Dame de Lumiere – she is black light, Mary Lucifer – Mary the Light Bearer.’

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  69. The whole white guy: “black women are not attractive” meme is nothing more than a collective form of game white males use to make it easy for them to split dark oak.

    Here is how it works: By constantly discussing how they don’t find black women attractive; the least little complement they give a black woman makes her think she won the lottery and she will spread her legs for the sorriest white man. The white mans constant chatter about black women being unattractive makes her “the easy lay up” when he wants to fuck one.

    In addition, a lot of white people who hate black people are “color struck”; They see color as something they lack, so they hate on it. the same way some feminists see the penis as something they lack, so they hate the people who posess them.

    White girls come back from Bermuda in the winter time and the first thing they do is run up to you and say, “see! I almost as dark as you! Woohoo team me!!!! While they grin from ear to ear. Then they show you some ass and titty so you can see their tan line, I always put on my shades when they do that (damn girl, you blindin me)

    I realize now that I should have given them more credit because getting a dark tan in 8 days takes some skill if you are a white person. If they don’t do it right, they can burn, and end up all red with flaky crusty patches all over them.

    Don’t waste time hating white people, the sun already does that for you.

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    • Quick question: do you bore yourself as much as you bore us?

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    • We’ve been through this before.

      White people wanting to tan is merely a sophisticated masquerade in which bronzing the skin a bit makes beautiful white traits, namely light eyes and light hair, stand out all the more radiantly.

      If tanning made white folks look like negroes, burkhas would outsell bikinis.

      In short, the ‘race thing’ isn’t merely skin color, much as the envious coloured would like to attempt to gain debating points therein.

      And now that we’ve had our ‘neener-neener, white folks want to look black’ moment, let’s talk about the billions spent each year by blacks on hair-straightening/lightening products and skin-lightening cremes.

      And how invariably the so-called ‘black’ women cited as most beautiful have a heavy dose of cream in that coffee.

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    • The whole white guy: “black women are not attractive” meme is nothing more than a collective form of game white males use to make it easy for them to split dark oak.

      lolzzzolllllzzzoool

      Take my word for it, chum… the only thing most black women put us in the mood for is pancakes and syrup.

      http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSs8oMO0zItEmS0syKYNHmNNXGMa-BrI-t6OpezIdnAA2Wck02ZvMKz8E5-

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    • I don’t hate them.

      I just view them as lost.

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      • Pretty much a textbook example of projection right there.

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      • She already rewrote the textbook on projection when she earlier tried to snark a man as being an obese female. lozzlolol

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      • You still haven’t said anything that indicates that you might remotely be male or a reasonably fit person of any gender.

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      • lollzzollll… and because you say it, that makes it true.

        And here, after I claimed, in this very thread, that I like a woman with some meat on her bones.

        Just goes to show, there are some people you just can’t compliment… or insult.

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      • Greg, I think fat fetishists are gross.

        I’d rather a guy tolerate or overlook my current fatness because he likes the rest of me than to basically fetishize rolls gained during the years of being ill.

        If being fat were natural for me, I suppose I’d see things differently, but since healing myself and restoring my former activity level is resulting in weight loss, I understand that this was not a healthy condition for me to be in, and is not a permanent condition for me to be in.

        When I’m back down to my natural weight, you will likely find me much more intimidating.

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      • When I’m back down to my natural weight, you will likely find me much more intimidating.

        Likely I’ll find you at the buffet line.

        Let me know when you start to become intimidating.

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      • Greg, I think fat fetishists are gross.

        As do I… but who was talking about them?

        Is that another example of Nicole’s dictionary? I mention how I like women with ‘meat on their bones’ (and even gave examples above, e.g., Anita Ekberg and Jane Russell in their heyday)… and you turn that into ‘fat fetishism’?

        Hmmm… how many times do you have to be proven obtuse?

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      • Yeah you grainy grazers know all about buffet lines.

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      • It might if I wasn’t an expatriate, business owner, and actually practicing my ancestral belief systems.

        Were you doing even the least of them, it would not bother you so much that I do not react to lies about me or my peoples with ass kissing the people who perpetuate them.

        You would also understand the sense of shame and pity for weaklings who need their asses kissed by people they have no authority over or superiority to, in order not to feel insulted.

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  70. Honestly, I don’t find black women attractive. I had a crush on a black girl in high school once but she was half white and looked more Asian than black. Just personal preference.

    That said, I don’t like the direction the comments here have been heading toward lately. Enough with the race and religion bullshit.

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  71. WTF? Once again this has turned into a Black woman bashing session? REALLY? Yall doth protest too much on this issue with Black women. ha!

    I used to get mad. then i realized “haters are gonna hate”.

    Frankly, when I see these discussions turn into (out of nowhere) “I aint attracted to black women” frankly I feel yall DOTH PROTEST TOOOO MUCH. You surely place a large amount of focus on women you claim to not be “focused on”. Honestly, Black women shouldn’t even come up in these discussions based on your “proclamations” about not wanting them. But I think it says more about what is really going on.

    Men who go out of their way to hate on any collective group of women are WUSSES! And many of you American White men fit that WUSSY bill to a TEE!

    All you haters? Talk all the BS you want about Black women. at the end of the day we AGE THE BEST, have the silkiest smooth youthful soft skin that barely cracks and wrinkles, full NATURAL sensuous soft lips and curves (when a Black woman is in optimal health her shape cannot be beaten).

    Now yes, the fit BW may be rarer than the fat ones, but anyone that demonizes and entire group as unattractive is full of shit. REAL men love ALL WOMEN and will always find the beauty in attractive women no matter the race. Losers and followers will demonize an entire race of women as “unattractive” bc YOU are lacking as a person and have to shit on another group to build yourself up.

    So to all you HATERS? Keep hating and keeping us as an untapped market for the White men who deserve to experience what it is like to be with a beautiful Black woman when she is at her best.

    Keep recycling the used up SORELY OVERRATED Non Black hoes amongst yourselves that you deserve.

    TOODLES!

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    • lol Nigger women always get all poo throwing in their monkey cages when people point out they ain’t fuckable on average.

      And, of course, uses the nigger logic of “haters gonna hate”, proving that blacks are completely incapable of building a society, since they cannot understand how criticizing anti-social behavior is for the good of society.

      How’s your herpes, whore?

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  72. Keep recycling the used up SORELY OVERRATED Non Black hoes amongst yourselves that you deserve.

    Yup… haters are gonna hate.

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  73. Before this is all over
    GREG and Nicole will be having a hot sweaty love making session.

    Just get err done already!

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    • I think you tried this tack on a thread about two months ago.

      Besides, I told you already in a thread last week, I’m saving my leap across the Great Divide for you, Neecy-wheecy.

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  74. @ Whorefinder,

    You are annoying, boring and stupid. Go find those “whores” PLEASE!? PRETTY PLEASE??

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  75. You know that every time you say nigger, you get a little gold star
    —I’s justs reclaiming the word, sho’ nuff.

    When you die, the more gold stars you accumulate, the more White virgins you’ll receive in heaven when you meet White Jeebus.
    —Damn, because we all know I wanted an elephant-army of Queen Latifahs!

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  76. I vote for H president, GBFM vice-president, and whorefinder secretary of negro matters.

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