What Should She Do?

A reader sent the Chateau the following email with no explicit instructions to withhold releasing for readership consumption the photos she attached. As per Chateau rules (Sec. 8, para. 14), if you don’t want your advice-seeking email correspondence or accompanying pics posted to the blog, say so. Otherwise, it will be assumed you are OK with it.

Hi Chateau,

I have been reading your blog and although I’m not a fan of some of the misogyny some of the guys that comment spew, I respect overall that you have a pretty good handle on the dating game. I saw the post & advice you gave that one girl who posted. I’m wondering if you would give me your honest opinion on how well I can do in NYC dating based on my attractiveness & other stats? I just moved here from California & it’s a jungle out here 🙂

Background on me: I just turned 25, am 5’6, around 125 pounds (attached photos). 0.7 hip to waist ratio, D breasts (they’re real).

Other statistics: went to Stanford, used to work in finance but quit that when it started changing my personality into a man’s, am now a writer / marketer. I can be funny, I have good manners & etiquette, I’m usually very positive and nice, and guys I’ve dated have said I’m fun to be around / very low drama/maintenence. Although I can be opinionated & want to be respected, I definitely voice those opinions in a respectful way. I can also cook decently well & I like sex a lot.

Money is important to me since I want to be a stay at home mom eventually (or at least have the option) and I never want to worry about money, and I’m wondering if I can do better than the guy I’m currently dating who wants an exclusive relationship with me. As I know my prime is now, and my options will only decrease with time, I’m wondering if you can give me an honest opinion of whether I should stay with him or start taking other offers more seriously? My friends don’t like this guy because he gives people shit sometimes / doesn’t care about being polite & so they’re saying I can do better, but they always say that. I like him, and I want your opinion. I have recently had the CTO of [major bank] ask to date me, and various other high earning finance guys. I just want to know what my chances are of actually landing a guy like these instead of being dicked around, or if I should even be concerned with it since I am really enjoying the guy I have now who I think is on the way up and I’m definitely unsure I’ll be able to match the level of chemistry and compatibility? I am wary of dating in NY because I’ve heard how brutal it can be, and I remain pretty much unscathed so far. I’d really hate to lose my optimism by getting abused by some douchebag who was never that into me anyway.

There’s nothing wrong with us, we get along really well for the most party. [Editor: A most excellent Freudian slip.] He’s a beta, 27, learned a lot of this pickup stuff and is dominant, which is great. Also can be cooperative & talk about psychology / relationships with me, which is so fascinating. He comes from a poor background in eastern europe, just started working for a hedge fund (seems to be good at it, the youngest guy there by 20 years) & sends money back home (admirable but a possible detriment in the future if they need to be continually supported). Very focused & interesting. Negatives are that he can be manipulative & critical, and doesn’t socially dominate / lead like some guys I know (was very uncomfortable in one large party situation where he didn’t know anyone & I knew some guy friends from school). Although he’s not the largest guy (5’10), he could probably hold his own in a fight (have heard stories about his rough upbringing).

Anyway, your opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry the email is really long, I’m not a concise person 🙂

L.

She wants to know whether to stay with her doting, all-around niceguy boyfriend or to dump him to take one more stab at trading up in the hothouse dating market of Manhattan.

(rubbing hands)

She’s come to the right place!

Reading between the lines what we have here is a girl who likes, perhaps loves, her boyfriend, but has recently been propositioned for a date by a higher status man (the CTO of [major bank]). Her sexual market options suddenly thrown into stark relief, her hypergamous instinct is kicking in and she is contemplating, via the sounding board provided by the residents of the stately countryside Chateau, whether her boyfriend is really all that she thinks he is, and whether her ego isn’t as big as it deserves to be.

Gentlemen, behold the awesome power of female hypergamy. You can be the best boyfriend in the world, (and judging by her description of him, he sounds like a stand-up guy with plenty of positive traits), but if a higher ranking man comes along and shows some interest in your girlfriend (or wife!), you can bet your last penny she will be unable to resist pondering the opportunity to trade up and the concomitant reevaluation of her own market worth that goes along with attention from higher status suitors.

Women, of course, will cheer this as an example of female empowerment and being honest with oneself and yada yada down with the patriarchy yada, but imagine a man doing the same to his loyal girlfriend when a hotter, younger, tighter babe flirts with him. Those same women would be screaming like banshees from the rooftops.

It is the nature of the beast when the sexes have opposing reproductive goals.

But enough highlighting the underlying mechanism. Let’s examine this woman’s situation in point by point detail to determine whether it is in her interest to risk a breakup with Beta Lover for a shot at Mr. Big.

The Chateau keepers have reviewed the facts and rendered their judgment.

She is:

A 5.5. Maybe a 6 on a good day. She is not especially cute, but not invisibly plain either.

Her youth is her strongest asset. 25 years old gives her three to five years to complete her marriage quest according to the demands she has set for herself. Much depends on how well she ages. Her swarthy ancestry (Puerto Rican? Half black? Lebanese?) suggests she will stave off wrinkles for a longer time than the average white chick.

Her body is good. The numbers she has given put her at 20.1 BMI, which is right smack in the center of body weight desirability. But the photo she supplied makes her body look chubbier than would be expected with that low BMI. There is some tentative agreement among the hosts that she could stand to lose ten pounds.

Her breasts are magnificent funbags. But watch out! D cups are mesmerizing in their prime, but their prime is short-lived, surrendering rather quickly and ignominiously to National Geographic style sag.

The tone of her email gives the impression of a pleasant personality, but the content tells otherwise. She might qualify as a genuine golddigger. Golddiggers are one step below whores, because at least whores have the integrity to follow through on their end of the deal.

Look at the waist-hip ratio. She is the submissive type who needs a dominant man to make her feel like a woman.

She had a U-shaped smile. Untrustworthy.

Stanford? Irrelevant.

Writer/marketer? Irrelevant.

Good manners and etiquette? Meh. Girls who know where to place the salad fork have a detailed mental schematic for how to get them off in bed. Woe be the man who deviates from the script. Also, “good manners” reeks of try-hard, as if she is compensating for a poorly mannered cultural background.

Positive and nice? Your boyfriend might think differently if he reads this.

Opinionated? Translation: Loudmouthed nag.

Cooks well? Bonus.

Likes sex? Double plus bonus. But not much of a selling point in this raunchy day and age.

Her current boyfriend is:

A greater beta. He sounds like a higher ranking man than she is giving him credit for.

27 years old. So much for closeness of age being an important factor.

“Gives people shit sometimes / doesn’t care about being polite”: This is a trait of a greater beta, lesser alpha. Regular old betas do not give people shit. Instead, they take shit.

“On the way up”: Greater beta. At least.

“Level of chemistry and compatibility”: This guy sounds too good for her. If I were him I’d tell him to let her go get pump and dumped by the (likely married) CTO. When she comes crawling back, he can have his new, hotter girlfriend see her to the door.

“Learned a lot of this pickup stuff and is dominant”: Not seeing the problem with this guy? Oh, that’s right. He’s not a CTO. Manhattan, isle of twue wuv!

“Also can be cooperative & talk about psychology / relationships with me, which is so fascinating”: She is talking herself into staying with him. The hamster is really running the shit out of his little legs in this email.

Poor East Europe background? Irrelevant. Possible net positive, if he has brought over to America some of his cultural learnings for benefit of good wifely obedience.

Hedge fund work? Slimy, but alpha.

Sends money back home? As much as women say they admire generous family men, their self-interest pushes them into the arms of selfish men who give all their money only to wifey and the kids to the exclusion of her in-laws.

Manipulative and critical? Again, this is a characteristic of greater betas and alphas, not run of the mill betas. A beta always attempts to assuage his woman when she is upset. Stronger, more dominant men take a different tact.

Doesn’t always socially dominate/lead like other men she knows? This is beta, true. But it also shows how a woman’s perception of her lover is so heavily skewed by the behavior of other men in her social circle. If you are a beta, you’d do best to date a girl who is not often in the company of alphas.

5’10”? Neutral to slight negative.

******

The Chateau has rendered its judgment:

You are a fucking handful. You ask for advice, and yet every other sentence is a self-pleading justification for staying with your current boyfriend.

So stay with the man. But don’t be surprised if, in a few years time when his status goes up as yours is going down, he decides to dump your demanding 463 bullet-point checklist ass for a hotter chick.

Quite simply, in New York, you don’t have the looks to compete for the alphas as anything more than a convenient wet hole to be discarded unceremoniously when girlfriends #3 and #4 call.

Having delivered that harsh judgment, the Chateau does understand where you are coming from, and your feelings in the matter. A higher status CTO wants to fuck you. This makes you feel good about yourself, and you wonder if maybe, just maybe, this alpha will be the one who marries you and gives you the life of the princess stay at home mommy you’ve always dreamed of. There is room in the world for such arrangements. But based on your looks, it is more likely that you will begin dating the CTO only to either

a. find out he is married, or

b. get dumped after a three month fling.

What you didn’t tell us was a description of the looks of the CTO. If he is particularly ugly or nebbishy then there is a chance that dumping your loyal boyfriend to date him would work out for you. It’s not as if there aren’t plenty of couples featuring hot chicks dating physically unimpressive but rich herbs in our glorious cities.

But the bottom line is this: You answered your own question.

If you were truly tempted to stray with the CTO or any other high flying finance guy, you would have done it without emailing the Chateau beforehand for the imaginary green light. That you have done this instead tells us that you find yourself falling in love with your good-hearted but sometimes awkward boyfriend, and it scares you.

It scares you because love means a cutting off of options. But that is a risk worth taking. Before it’s too late.





Comments


  1. fuckin brutal roissy. I love it

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  2. on August 20, 2010 at 1:25 pm Feliks Dzierżyński

    Her boyfriend has an Eastern European background? Then what the hell is he doing with this little wench? By Russian/Ukrainian standards she’s at best a 4. He needs to dump her and pick up one of the Eastern Blok Work Travel girls who arrive in NYC every summer.

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  3. My only quibble is that 5’10” is tall for a man in NYC. The large jewish population skews the average male height lower. NYC women are obsessed with male height, because it’s difficult to come by.

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  4. The CTO of ******* isn’t going to want anything to do with her now that this is online. I hope you changed the details a little bit.

    I read her as a Stanford girl that is starstruck by the alphas in NYC. She hasn’t been exposed to much of it if she spent the last 4-5 years in the Bay Area.

    I think your analysis is spot on. Her current guy is probably higher status than she gives him credit for. Maybe I’m just not as impressed by the CTO of a bank, as I am with a young hedge fund star.

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  5. on August 20, 2010 at 1:29 pm Stud Dynamite

    What a fucking horrible human being. And the best (worst? whatev) part – an “interesting bum” with game, learned or natural, can fuck her in hours. While betas, CTO and otherwise, compete for these so to speak assets. It’s unreal.
    BF’s biggest mistake – why the fuck would *you* say you want to be exclusive?

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  6. @CR
    (rubbing hands)

    She’s come to the right place!

    I could almost hear the mad scientist cracking knuckles and lining up the bowling pins. Damn you.

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  7. Yet another reason why a man should never get married.

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  8. Spot on analysis.

    This chick definitely doesn’t look like more than drunken ONS material. I pity the man shacked up with her.

    The entitlement thing is the hoary orifice of women from California that can never be satisfied.

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  9. on August 20, 2010 at 1:35 pm The Alchemist

    “I am really enjoying the guy I have now who I think is on the way up ”

    This is all you need to know about this chick. What a wretched example of the female mind. flatout golddigger who thinks she’s hot. I suspect that she was looking for affirmation on her looks more than she was for dating advice.

    Her face is 5-6 range at the prime age of 25, extrapolate that out 5-10 years and you’ve got yourself solid 4. The body, while it’s ok now (i wouldn’t call it good, by any stretch), shows no sign of any regular physical activity. She’s on her way to Fatsville, with an ETA of 4-5 years. On top of that, she has the genetic potential for facial hair that could compete with the likes of Tom Selleck. Ultimately, what you’ll end up with here, is an overweight, horse faced 4, with hair as coarse as barbed wire, a mustache and a sense of entitlement that could fill an airplane hangar. Good luck to her boyfriend

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  10. By Russian/Ukrainian standards she’s at best a 4.

    Us slavs do have high standards; her swarthiness makes me wonder when she’s going to start shaving. And is she sure about that 0.7 HWR?
    and

    5’10″ is tall for a man in NYC.

    Same thing with DC, I go from being heads above the crowd here to avg in Baltimore.

    Bottom line, every one gets tempted. I think it’s promising that she’s looking at it as a business deal because she’s not saying she’s not happy, she’s just wondering if she’s settled. She hasn’t lost the tingles for current BF, so it’s not the worst thing in the world. So good advice from the chatuea’s relationship advice division, “love means a cutting off of options. But that is a risk worth taking. Before it’s too late.”

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  11. *sigh*

    For someone reading this who will probably never be as achieved as the writer’s bf, episodes like this are depressing as hell. Guess I’ll go back to playing Counterstrike and hating women.

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  12. @CR,

    Surprisingly even-handed advice.

    But I’m surprised you let her possibly gold-digging ass off so easily.

    You obviously excuse this behavior more easily than others. Realistic? Resigned?

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  13. on August 20, 2010 at 1:40 pm Feliks Dzierżyński

    @Thursday

    7?? Surely you gest. Even though NYC is a part of the US, where obesity is the normal, she is far from a 7. Assuming 10 is a Victoria’s Secret model, and 1 is a 500 lb “curvy” woman, 5 should be “average”, and in New York City, she’s below average. Look at her face – masculine and not particularly cute – and that’s with makeup, eye liners, and the works. That second shot is the BEST SHE WILL EVER LOOK unless you resort to using ring lights with heavy makeup to fully sculpt the features. In any Eastern European country she’d be below average. Advice to b/f: ditch this bitch and go seek your Slavic roots.

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  14. there’s no reason to hate on this girl. men make the same kinds of brutal calculations when deciding on whether to commit to a woman. how is she going to age? will she get fat? how much better can i do in the looks department? at least i hope you guys are making these calculations.

    love is an illusion. it’s a flood of chemicals into certain parts of the brain and it fades over time. making decisions based on a temporary mindset is just plain careless. and to quote one of the great male role models of popular culture:

    women and children can afford to be careless, but not men

    as for L, i wonder how old the CTO is. she’s probably not hot enough to land a top NYC alpha. if she wants to be kept in the lifestyle she thinks she should become accustomed, her best bet is to find an older man who’s happy just to have a twenty-something’s body next to him or a high-achieving beta.

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  15. Roissy went in on this one, spitting that “venom”

    It’s fucked up, here you have a girl who supposedly has a good man, but she thinks she can do better, this is the fucking problem with women now a days their never satisfied always wanting to move up, thinking the grass is greener on the other side

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  16. “Mystified in Manhattan” wrote:

    I have recently had the CTO of Citigroup ask to date me, and various other high earning finance guys. I just want to know what my chances are of actually landing a guy like these…

    Once you use the term
    landing a guy like these”
    – the cat’s out of the bag…

    Firepower’s advice:

    Become another kept woman in glamorous Manhattan Splendour (the kind with the “u” in it) and service the CTO of Citi before his stock’s price evapos down to $2.

    Get it while you can; another mortgage crash is likely for his company, and you’ll never stay 29 forever.

    Take his money, and keep a rich asshole Guido (or, in your case, a Sheldon) to keep your hopes of La Romance en vie.

    Or, just write a bloggie

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  17. Wow. What a skank. But a good reflection of today’s western women.
    Good warning for men to use these his as nothing more then pump n dump wetholes.

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  18. Hos

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  19. CTO of Citigroup, huh?

    http://www.citigroup.com/citi/corporategovernance/profiles/callahan/index.htm

    He looks like a schlubby fat ass suit. Ten bucks says he’s a pointy haired boss that can’t program. Bio lists history major which would imply that he got to where he was through ass-kissing.

    He’s old enough to be either married or divorced.

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  20. It’s amazing the high value American girls put on their pussy. She doesn’t need advise because the boyfriend will be making the decision for her once his value increases.

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  21. on August 20, 2010 at 1:47 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    7.5 because I’m a boob man, probably a 6.5 from an objective standpoint though.

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  22. You straight demolished that girl. By the way, @ Thursday, she’s a 5 by Midwestern standards. If that’s what you get as CTO or hedge fund guy then I’m glad I don’t have that Empire State of Mind.

    That said…inquiring minds seek the identity of Citi’s CTO:

    http://www.citigroup.com/citi/corporategovernance/profiles/callahan/index.htm

    At this point I think its more likely he already pumped and dumped her, didn’t leave his wife, and this is her way of ruining his life as revenge. Like Hurd at HP, this is what he gets for dumpster diving.

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  23. A 6? What is a 7, 8, 9, 10 then?
    Nonetheless, interesting comments. I agree with the sentiment to resist hypergamous urges when you actually can see being happy with your current situation.

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  24. hahaha. its girls like her that make me hate manhattan

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  25. I’ve noticed lately that your sadism is getting the better of your aesthetic objectivity.

    This wasn’t particularly sadistic. The Chateau’s last two sentences were downright loving.

    She’s a solid 7. Nothing more, nothing less

    In the mid-range, there is lots of room for subjective differences of opionion. To me she is a four. I don’t like the buxom look, nor the harsh, untrustworthy face. Though I’ll grand that photos can uglify an otherwise atractive girl.

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  26. What. A. Whore. Hilarious that she tries to paint herself as a nice girl with the whole “I stopped working in finance because I was becoming too mannish” and then immediately betrays her golddigging roots.

    By the way, a huge number of Citi’s top execs are Indian as the company is led by Vikram Pandit. There are only a few people who could be this mysterious CTO (or managing director since Citi gives its Chief Technology Officer that title as well). One is married and lives in St. Louis. The other is a more mysterious fellow named “Indy Reddy” but I assure you “Indy” is not Harrison Ford. That’s an obvious nickname for an Indian, much like Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.

    Curious that; she’d trade away her quasi-alpha Eastern European hedge fund boyfriend for a rich probably herb Indian.

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  27. I’d rate her above a 5.5, but I’m mixed so she gets intraracial bonus points from me. It’s tough to judge looks without seeing someone in the flesh. I’m skeptical of 5’6″, 125, w/ natural D’s. I’m guessing she deflated her weight by about 10 lbs. It’s also hard to tell her body type, but again guessing, i’d say she’s probably on the stubby side. It’s very rare to see a chick under 5’8″ with big boobs that has a slender appearance (long arms & legs, thin torso). I’d still hit it though.

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  28. haha, there’s some internet fueled blowback if now, the CTO is getting his shit blasted around for propositioning this chick. The difference between whores and gold-diggers? Diggers blabber, apparently.

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  29. Want to see a real 7 and an 8? look at the first picture you see on my blog.

    she is no 7.

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  30. on August 20, 2010 at 1:50 pm Stud Dynamite

    j r –

    well, she is careful and calculating, but not about having a career or whatever, basically a life of her own, she’s calculating on how to become a parasite to highest-bidding host. And she’s not even good at it. Disgusting.

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  31. Haven’t read the entire post yet—-just skimmed down to view here photos.

    She’s definitely better than a 5.5. She’s at least 6 – 6.5, and done up, maybe a 7.5. You guys are being waaaay too hard on her looks.

    That said, she still doesn’t really have the goods to compete with the other chicks chasing down alphas in NYC.

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  32. Roissy, how do you hit the nail on the head so consistently?

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  33. and really? Manhattan chicks? her? My assumptions about the talent in that city was shaped by “How to Lost a Guy in 10 Days” You mean they aren’t all Kate Hudsons?

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  34. on August 20, 2010 at 1:53 pm Half Canadian

    The name of the CTO for Citigroup shouldn’t be too hard to find.
    Only problem is that the name ‘Indy Reddy’ sounds like a fake name:
    http://www.spoke.com/info/p10A71Z/IndyReddy
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/indy-reddy/12/aa/358

    John D’Onofrio certainly sounds like a more plausible name.
    http://www.linkedin.com/in/johndonofrio

    Based on when they got their college degrees, both are in their 50s, at least.

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  35. She’s definitely half black. For those who are into that, she’s closer to where Thursday pegged her, if not a little bit higher. (Remember that attractiveness ratings on this board, which are way too skewed toward a niche preference for E. European waifs, are more than a little out of step with those of the majority of men. Especially high-T men, who usually like a woman who cuts a more womanly figure.)

    As for the earning potential:
    Hahahaha.
    If wall street gets what it has deserved for a long, long, looooooonnggg time, then a slightly thuggy Russian who’s people-savvy enough to be a hedge-fundie will be WAY better positioned than some fuddy duddy tech-nerd (“CTO” heh) to make scratch in the leaner, meaner, Brazilian-style new economy.

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  36. How sure are we that this CTO is from Citibank?

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  37. “There is some tentative agreement among the hosts…”

    Finally, the confirmation of multiple hosts in the chateau.

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  38. Her swarthy ancestry (Puerto Rican? Half black? Lebanese?) suggests she will stave off wrinkles for a longer time than the average white chick.

    She looks about 1/4 black to me – her hair especially. Maybe e.g. a Jewish mother and a light skinned black father mix. Which could easily give her enough smarts with affirmative action to get into my alma mater. She’s lots a lot prettier in the second close up pic than the first. Yeah I’d say a 7 in the second, face closeup pic.

    Roissy is right that she doesn’t stand much of a chance holding onto a guy only two years older than her working at a NYC hedge fund if he does well there. He’ll turn into a lesser alpha at least when he hits his 30s and get much hotter girls wanting him. Models etc.

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  39. on August 20, 2010 at 1:59 pm The Lovely Bone

    I have an easy solution for this chitty chitty cunt cunt: bukakke

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  40. pupu

    “There is some tentative agreement among the hosts…”

    Finally, the confirmation of multiple hosts in the chateau.

    i guess
    you’ll just have to
    seduce them all

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  41. Pupu,

    “Finally, the confirmation of multiple hosts in the chateau.”

    Not sure about that – the writing style doesn’t really change over time.

    Unless we include GBFM. His responses are often seconds after comments appear on the site.

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  42. on August 20, 2010 at 2:02 pm Rollo Tomassi

    This girl is an NYC HB 4 at best. She wouldn’t even bump the needle in South Beach. If you’re into this overweight body type, by all means, relocate to South Florida, you’ll have your pick of the Puerto Rican litter here.

    Just for the record, there is no such thing as a an HB10 that you haven’t slept with. The last point to half point is ALWAYS earned on performance. I’m sure you wouldn’t buy a Maseratti if it had a VW engine under the hood.

    That said, I’ve always felt that the HB scale should always be adjusted for geographic region. An HB 8 in Butte, Montana is an HB 5 in Los Angeles. You have to adjust the scale for concentration. Hot women don’t congregate in remote places, they go where they know their looks will serve them best. This then increases the standard for that place since the field of competition is deeper. An HB 9.5 in South Beach, Miami etc. is well beyond anything NYC, Houston or Chicago could offer up. The rating curve is more pronounced. Conversley a Miami HB 7, becomes an HB 9.5 in Boise, Idaho. However, after having lived in So. Cal, Hollywood, Las Vegas and Orlando I think my standards are exceptionally high.

    The Tomassi advice is ad follows: Go back to working in finance. You’re going to need to exclusively support yourself sooner than you think and for quite some time.

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  43. She looks about 1/4 black to me – her hair especially. Maybe e.g. a Jewish mother and a light skinned black father mix. Which could easily give her enough smarts with affirmative action to get into my alma mater. She’s lots a lot prettier in the second close up pic than the first. Yeah I’d say a 7 in the second, face closeup pic.

    Roissy is right that she doesn’t stand much of a chance holding onto a guy only two years older than her working at a NYC hedge fund if he does well there. He’ll turn into a lesser alpha at least when he hits his 30s and get much hotter girls wanting him. Models etc.

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  44. This just absolutely saddens me. There is something else, something else that we are missing here.

    A girl with looks like that is my birthright. No matter my circumstances I’d expect I could at least obtain a wife like her. Not only are you telling me that I have to work to get a girl like that, but she might still leave me for something better? That’s mind-boggling.

    I also venture those might not be real pictures of her. There’s no way a girl like her could have that mentality.

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  45. on August 20, 2010 at 2:03 pm Masterblaster

    Honest to god i wouldn’t hit that chick with a ten foot pole. Jewish women are nothing but trouble.

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  46. on August 20, 2010 at 2:04 pm Feliks Dzierżyński

    @ dragnet

    Come on!!! 7.5?? Let’s be serious. Let’s try to calibrate our ranking shall we? If

    10 is Petra Nemcova or Natallia Vadianova, or some SI Swimsuit Issue model, then

    9 should be your typical Ford, Elite model with a good book

    8 a very attractive clean looking commercial catalog model

    7 a glamour model for the likes of Maxim or a very hot civillian like Elliot Spitzer’s girl.

    6 a very cute but otherwise plane looking girl with a so so body like Lindsay Lohan.

    5 an average midwestern girl that could bump up to a 6 with good makup

    4 – formally cute woman of “Balzac’s age” — i.e., late 30s.

    3 – unattractive but no disgusting

    2 – seriously unattractive

    1 – morbidly obese or has leprosy

    So this girl is at best settling between 4 and 5. Her body is on the chubby side, and not in a good way like Scarlett Johansson. Her face is pretty close to being unattractive.

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  47. The average height of guys prowling NYC bars and clubs for hot girls probably 6′. Girls can ask for height due to the high supply of male height, you all have it flipped. Lots of 6’2″ white guys in NYC.

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  48. “My friends don’t like this guy because he gives people shit sometimes / doesn’t care about being polite & so they’re saying I can do better, but they always say that. I like him, and I want your opinion. ”

    Yeah, this is the part I don’t understand about females in general, and feminists specifically. In most cases, they have a close circle of female friends, most likely to which they’re hold accountable or are answering to in some way. But, god forbid, they get in a relationship with a male and have to answer to him. This is part of why I have female acquaintances and not close female friends. Why on Earth would I want to answer to a biped with a menstrual cycle? As a female myself, it’s rare to encounter a non-annoying female who doesn’t insert herself in your life with unsolicited advice. The reader featured can contemplate all she wants, ignoring the fact that her fertility/looks will expire first. She’s also going to expire too (as in permanently). Life is short. I fail to understand perpetual indecisiveness (much more a female trait). Fortunately, I wasn’t cursed with such indecisiveness. Life would definitely suck.

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  49. Having worked 20 yrs on Wall St at the top 4 firms…I will comment as an expert.

    High earning wall st. dudes will pump & dump her.

    She is not hot enough to marry and not white enough for wall st.

    End of story.

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  50. i will say this.
    for black men living in nyc she may rate higher. She isn’t ghetto and she isn’t fat.
    those two things make her more of a LTR catch to educated black men.

    she is dating an EE white guy and the cto could be black.
    CTO- T can stand for technology or trading.

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  51. This is why I hate Manhattan.

    She’s not ugly. But she has a grossly inflated view of her own sexual value. She;s obviously ambitious, but in a way that’s a total turnoff. She doesn’t see this consciously, alas, though she knows there’s something up because she’s excusing herself constantly.

    She justifies her quest for cash by saying she wants to stay at home; I call her out on this. She’s appealing to the maleocracy here with that one. Discount her excuses: she’s just a gold-digger. Men will recognize this right away.

    There’s nothing wrong with her BF; he’ll be able to provide, clearly. Any woman who trades “up” to the CTO is fooling herself: She’s only after cash. You don’t need to qualify “gold digger” in this circumstance: she’s shown herself for what she really is. I don’t know why CR didn’t just hang her on this.

    Note that she said nothing about the CTO except his position and what he can offer her; nothing about looks, little about personality. His position intrigues her. Roissy called her out right on this one – hypergamy, for social status.

    Ergo: Gold digger. I see no reason not to call her for exactly what she is.

    The problem for her: She’s not that hot. GOld diggers are evaluated purely on the Hotness scale. Less than 8 doesn’t cu tit in NYC, and that’s saying a lot. A boring 8 who digs has the pick of the lower-tier alphas and status-men. To really dig up the gold nuggets, she needs to be an interesting 8.5-9. She’s obviously not.

    She’s a pump and dump for a high-powered executive. If she’s semi-smart, she’ll stick with her BF and help his career along, while solidifying her relationship and trying to actually like him for who he is.

    Dammit, some women are shit.

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  52. tell me more about the u-shaped smile

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  53. on August 20, 2010 at 2:10 pm The Lovely Bone

    tell me more about the cock-shaped smile

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  54. Her body is on the chubby side, and not in a good way like Scarlett Johansson. Her face is pretty close to being unattractive

    Zgadzam się z tobą

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  55. Yellow teeth. Fixable. Broad shoulders, subpar face, not fixable.

    Saying she likes sex should be a negative. That means she’s sat on enough cock to feel little restraint in declaring her penchant for penis.

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  56. I thought it was pretty obvious that lately there have been multiple authors posting on this site. Roissy tends to use lots of alliteration, and will usually have at least one colorful pun or metaphor. Lately some of the posts have been in a much more straightforward style of prose than what went up previously. I could be wrong, but I’m not.

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  57. I’m more interested in natural beauty than I am in enhanced beauty and I can 100% say the quality of young girls is a thousand times higher in the midwest and the south compared to New York, Vegas, or LA.

    Ask any hot girl on the coast where she’s from and she’ll say Sheboygan, or Des Moines, or Dallas. They are born and bred here and move to the coast in search of rich men.

    Yes there are a lot of fat women in the heartland, and some of them used to be hot, but LA would have fat girls too, if not for the fact they all leave when their looks slip.

    That doesn’t change the fact there are just as many hot girls away from these mega cities and they are easier to score.

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  58. This woman will never be happy. It’s too late. Our society damaged her. If she stays with this guy, who sounds pretty good, gnawing at her subconscious will be the feeling she can eat, pray and love somewhere more exciting. The bullet points are her desperately trying to convince herself that the current bf is worth staying with. It’s obvious she wants to ride the carousal and was hoping for your approval.

    This is the result of our feminist society for decades now showering girls and women with praise for the mere fact that they happen to be women. They overvalue themselves.

    If she marries this guy an eventual divorce is only a matter of time. It may take years, but its going to happen. If she plays the market she’s taking a huge chance because she isn’t that great. Fuck it, I say she should play the market. If anything she should do it for the guy who sounds like he can get someone better.

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  59. Feliks,

    I reckon your scale needs some adjustment:

    7-9 would fall into the 9 category for most men – not many women (maybe 1%) would be hot enough to make Maxim. Ashley Dupree (not withstanding her profession) is a lot more than a 7. Hell, even Lindsay Lohan is probably an 8. I agree with you that 10s are unimaginably rare.

    Also, a lot of supermodels are 8s – weird faces, though stunning figures. But that’s just my own opinion.

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  60. on August 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm first responder

    where im from in southern california this woman would rank no higher than a 4, but at stanford she was probably a 7.

    blame the stangely undeserved sense of entitlement on her college experience.

    i wish her all the best, tho, and congratulate her for having the courage to write roissy such a candid email.

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  61. As for the lady in these photos – probably a 7 or 8. Definitely better looking than most women you’d meet in a day.

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  62. Roissy…..Thank you.

    She is at very most a 6. She is probably even worse becuase these girls always send their very best pictures.

    The fact she is contemplating this CTO garuntees she is not a 7 or up. Most 7s would have plenty more experience being hit on by high-status men. This is a rare occasion for her and she doesnt know if this guy will just use her or is legitimate, so he is way out of her league.

    I only wish you had mentioned how Manhattan is filled with these kinds of women. And by these kinds of women, I mean, mediocre unattractive she-male women with upscale education etc. which they think somehow compensates. There are also plenty of successful otherwise handsome men with very average unattractive women.

    I found New York to be a place filled with “tough guy” alpha males where the “tough” women do not match the status of the men, in terms of prettiness or feminity. The women tend to be masculine and assertive like the men. They are like Judge Judys. Its a place where all the top men try to import the hot women from the other places they visit. They look for outsider women. Trust me: Most hot chicks in NYC have been imported by some jet-set millionaire or are just visiting. Also, an NY chick who is a 6 expects to be treated like an 8, a 5 like a 7 etc.

    BTW, Her bf was unconfortable becuase she was flirting with the alpha males at the party. He was contemplating dumping the chick which he should.

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  63. Rollo Tomassi–

    An HB 9.5 in South Beach, Miami

    South Beach is one thing in March when tons of models are in town and Euro and other babes are there on vacation. It’s a lot less hot in the summer and fall when its more heavily the chunky local Cubans and Puerto Ricans that are left.

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  64. I went to college with this girl.

    Stanford girls — there is a reason most of you stay in San Francisco.

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  65. Just as an aside on NYC…

    18-29 white women in NYC zip on match= 2000

    slender women = 700

    blond slender = 150

    Even in NYC, less than 30% of women are skinny and less than 10% of that are blond

    I would tell her to bleach blond, go on diet, and whore up till $$$ man puts rock on finger….

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  66. on August 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm Cannon's Canon

    looks like a solid six to me

    i say forget about indy reddy and just make the play for vikram. i’m thinking one of those “disclosure”-style blowjobs.

    yesterday a girl gave me her number because, as she explained, her fuck-buddy told her he loved her on his way out the door that morning. this became unacceptable to her, being in her early 30’s and all, after he showed up late to meet her that afternoon. she needed him to know that she has plenty of options in her life if he doesn’t start treating her with the respect she deserves.

    she is in my phone as “michelle leverage vs fbuddy” – likely the wackiest descriptor i’ve ever used for a contact.

    i was going lzozlozolzol in my head the whole time.

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  67. She is a nyc 6- tops.
    Sixes don’t date multi-millionaires in Manhattan.

    A 6 can fuck a millionaire, but they will never get them into a real relationship.

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  68. Selection Bias.

    Like anyone, she wants confirmation of her good looks and thus sent roissy the 2 most flattering pictures of her body and face in her facebook albums.

    On a day to day basis probably a 5 in NYC, 6 elsewhere.

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  69. 10: extremely rare. A tell-tale quality is a blinding radiance to her face; sears the retinas

    9: Gorgeous and otherwise near-perfect, but without that ‘blinding’ quality. Your heart will beat faster when talkjng to her.

    8: you chub if she flirts with you, but not a girl you’d lose your composure with

    7: pretty

    6: cute, bangable

    5: plain, bangable

    4: bangable drunk

    3: unattractive

    2: ugly, but not offensively so

    1: extremely rare (assuming a healthy woman wiht no unusual deformities); offensively ugly. Sears the retinas

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  70. on August 20, 2010 at 2:22 pm Feliks Dzierżyński

    @cap’n bob

    With all due respect, I suspect you don’t know the tricks of the trade. Maxim models aren’t NOT THAT HOT, and more often than not, pretty average. It’s all lighting, make up, and photo shopping. This is why I rank runway models from Ford or Elite girls, and even catalog girls, above Maxim girls, because you can photoshop a photo, but the tech is not there for people to affordably shop a video.

    Remember, if you see a girl in maxim, be sure to knock off 3 or 4 points, because that shit ain’t real.

    Lindsay Lohan has REALLY REALLY bad skin, and it shows even in her shopped photos – all the gaussian bluring and multilayer filtering ain’t fixing that! All the drinking and smoking really gets to her!!

    My standards are calibrated to 5 being average, and the girl in question is IMHO, at best average.

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  71. A 5.5-6? I would rate her a 7-8. I guess I don’t get out much.

    I agree that she sounds weak. Maybe she needs to read some Don Miller, too. This place is like Pirhana 3D for her.

    http://donmilleris.com/2010/04/08/what-men-really-need-from-women/

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  72. on August 20, 2010 at 2:24 pm Cannon's Canon

    this was in manhattan btw

    trendy-ish outdoor spot but i was wearing a flatbrim yankees fitted

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  73. if she’s a 7 i’ve never fucked below 7, yey for me

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  74. I’d be a bit more generous, perhaps 6.5, but otherwise spot-on. Definitely a future fat risk.

    The odds of her current BF catching wind of this post are near 100%.

    That said, the entire post smacks slightly of shens. I hope it’s crossposted at Gothamist.

    /gets popcorn

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  75. Too all the guys complaining about NYC get a Match.com account…i have fucked 4 women this summer & i am 42, all have been 10yrs younger >7.0-9.0

    Last sat i got a BJ, banged a 31, 7.0 russian girl during day; then had a 25 yr old Bulgarian babe 8.0 in my buildings patio finger fucking her & sucking her tits for an hour….SAME DAY!

    That is not happening for 99% of u…dont deny it.

    Match is free pussy at <1$/day…..w/ u sending out 500 emails

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  76. oh yay, another debate over number scale.

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  77. Feliks,

    I know about the tricks of a camera and the like.

    That said – if you take Playboy or a lot of mens’ magazines – they do produce videos of their women, and they do look amazing.

    Also, the odd website shows these women without makeup, and sometimes, as you say, the results are horrific. But not always – a lot of the Egotastic shots are of women coming home from nights out etc, and they still look really good.

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  78. Firepower

    “i guess
    you’ll just have to
    seduce them all”

    that assumes the aspiration of a tail is to wag the dog.

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  79. @ Silver Fox

    I have tried telling the guys here that match.com is pussy windfall but NO ONE here believes it.

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  80. Let’s ask the b/f what he thinks.

    If he’s into game and such, he certainly reads Chateau.

    How could she be a more avid read of this blog than him? It sounds like they must even discuss this stuff.

    I wouldn’t put it past her to not be so dumb to have not considered this before emailing.

    Alright, beta with some game, what do you think about all this??? Do you really love this ho?

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  81. “Also, “good manners” reeks of try-hard, as if she is compensating for a poorly mannered cultural background.”

    So true, why is good manners even mentioned? It is the bare minimum requirement for most cultured people. The fact that she sees that as an accomplishment is a sign…

    Ideal scenario for her would be to marry the greater beta and cheat on him with the CTO… or CFO, so she gets the best of both worlds. Beta raising a family with an alpha kid. Please make sure to pop out a few beta kids though, society & I need my minions.

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  82. on August 20, 2010 at 2:32 pm Rant Casey BR

    “If wall street gets what it has deserved for a long, long, looooooonnggg time, then a slightly thuggy Russian who’s people-savvy enough to be a hedge-fundie will be WAY better positioned than some fuddy duddy tech-nerd (“CTO” heh) to make scratch in the leaner, meaner, Brazilian-style new economy.”

    By meaner Brazilian economy, do you mean the predatory style of the guys in AB-Inbev?

    ***

    @ her rating: I’d giver her 5.5. She is an average girl, but with some of the “feminine fats” that makes them sexy for until 30. Then the breasts fall hard, and the ass is like the moon surface.

    I’m a Brazilian man, and like most of my sort, we are inclined to enjoy girls who wont poke us with pointy bones in the hips, and whose ribs we cannot count just by seeing.

    Roosh knows well what I’m talking about…

    Knowing how little this kind of sillhoutte holds, I got myself a thin 6. I’m a beta, you know. So I chose one who’ll age well.

    ***

    Her heritage: she is mediterranean. North African. She reminds me a lot of the “Italian Arabs” I know – those who live in Italy.

    Puerto Rican or not, there is no “Purto Rican Ethnicity”. They are either mediterraneans, africans or amerindian. Most likely a mixture.

    ***

    What is funny to me is how she stresses theyr compatibilty, but then, rates well the CTO based only in his professional status.

    “To hell with compatibility”. Its a consolation prize for women.

    ***

    Now, I’m seriously concerned about the smile. Because my girlfriend has the exact same smile.

    I hate her “Jack Nicholson” smile. Kinda troubles me in a negative way.

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  83. quick google search reveals that the CTO of Citibank (If it is indeed the guy that propositioned her) is one “Indy” Reddy. (Indian American). I’m pretty sure that desi dude is not going to marry her.

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  84. Let’s clear this up. Here is my 5-10 scale…

    10: Alessandria Ambrosio, Miranda Kerr, Brooklyn Decker…basically only Victoria Secret supermodels qualify.

    As a rule, you should never classify a woman as a 10 as that is a very needy frame.

    9: Everything is working, tall enough, thin in the right places, young enough, but nothing is exotic. A 9 is a perfect representation of her ethnicity, whereas a 10 is a perfect girl with something exotic and uncommonly attractive. I’d say Liz Hurley a few years ago was like this.

    8: Good face, but body is average. The face is more important than body in my book. Think Hayley Williams of Paramore, or Emma Watson from Harry Potter.

    7: Good body, but average face. Think Lady Gaga.

    6. Average girl that can improve her looks with make up and the right clothes.

    5. Average looking girl, that you are generally indifferent to sexually.

    Anything less than a 5 is a girl you wouldn’t want to be seen in public with.

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  85. Somebody needs to archive this post before Roissy is asked to remove these pictures.

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  86. Discussions about her rating aside, – why the hell didn’t she ask to withhold personal information? Why did she include so much information on her suitors? Her story seems as kosher as a wild boar.

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  87. I have to wonder what this girl was thinking by emailing the Chateau. Personally, I think she’s pretty, but by no means “good enough” for the king of the castle and his princesses/co-writers.

    I don’t see why there are so many complaints, though.

    The author(s) teach us that we are nothing but our looks, something she obviously bought into by putting that in her first paragraph of personal info.

    She’s doing exactly what you taught her to: thinking validate her worth through hypergamy.

    Not only that, but she’s wanting to completely submit to her partner, being the “perfect” housewife/baby-mama/fetus farm.

    And you taught her to trade up. Find the best genes for her offspring, find the best chance for her personal survival.

    Evo-psych in action.

    And you call her a gold-digging whore.

    You should be thanking her for assuming the role of the evo-psych poster-child instead of sitting behind your monitors, whining and snarking to your desk-bound compatriots.

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  88. OhioStater

    Ask any hot girl on the coast where she’s from and she’ll say Sheboygan, or Des Moines, or Dallas. They are born and bred here and move to the coast in search of rich men.

    Who cares what state the from, once a guy is out of college?

    The question is where are the hottest girls once they get out of college or are otherwise in their early and middle 20s.

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  89. “rich jagger

    How sure are we that this CTO is from Citibank?”

    This is very relevant and should have been asked well before everyone took her word for it and started sleuthing.

    Women chronically exaggerate or willfully accept the exaggerations of men’s importance/rank, if it reflects well on their own status and can be gossiped about.

    Make no mistake, this is the ONLY reason why there’s a string of ‘producer/executive producer’ credits at the tail end of every movie. It’s also likely to be the reason there’s 20 goddamn VP’s running around some of the larger companies I’ve worked for.

    I’m a betting man and I’d lay pretty good odds that her suitor is not the de facto CTO of Citi.

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  90. A 9 is a perfect representation of her ethnicity, whereas a 10 is a perfect girl with something exotic and uncommonly attractive

    I like your comments on 5-8, but why do you feel like a 10 has to be ‘exotic’? To me a 10 is a young Brigitte Bardot or Irene Jacob in her early roles. Noting exotic about them, unless you mean something else by the word.

    A Danish college student is more likely to be a 10 then some ‘exotic’ chick.

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  91. look at my blog. i have a few pics up. rate the women as you see fit.

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  92. If honesty is what she wanted, she’ll get none better than with her actual pictures.

    if she wants speculative fabrications, the standard anonymous letter suffices

    but, women only want honesty when it benefits them.

    what is missing is our usual crew of femposters to assess the level of successful goldiggyness vis a vis that golden boob to butt to face ratio.

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  93. Dear L.

    Harsh eval indeed. So harsh you may be inclined to discount it as tripe. Don’t.

    Average looks aside, your character is like a compass in the forest. Your best bet is to find a man without a “map” persuade him to be your Life Sponsor. Alpha, Beta, Omega, are irrelevant. He must be resource rich yet flummoxed by the indelicate inclinations of female nature you embody.

    And of course you must become ever astute at concealing your hypergamy in a cloak of implied purity and wholesome goodness.

    May god have mercy on his soul.

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  94. As a minority, I approve of the the curves.

    But, she’s got visibly asymmetric eyes (or cock-eyed if you will), and practically no upper lip. That makes her a 4 at best for being a gold digger and 5 for being a mixed race or latina NYC broad.

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  95. On another note

    I do agree with PA and Rollo, this chick might be a New York 6, but if she came to mmmh lets say south Dakota she would be a 8-9 (no kidding)

    It’s interesting to see how other people rate here, this proves that the rating scale is very subjective and that everyone has different taste

    I would bang when the lights are of pussy is pussy

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  96. @luvsic
    The C suite at Citi would have much prettier girls throwing themselves at them, they’re basically niche celebrities. He’s probably head of a particular group in the Tech. division, which would not make him notable (tech is probably lowest in the investment bank totem pole), but still higher status than some unremarkable looking girl.

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  97. I think Roissy slights her a little with the 5.5 rating, but it doesn’t really change the appropriate advice, where he’s more right than wrong. She gets points for being able to handle the critical shitstorm she has to know would come at her.

    This boils down to goals and trajectories of desirability. I’m assuming her goal is to get the most she can when she cashes in her marriage chips and have it last until death do they part (ugh). With her attractiveness peaking, and her current boyfriend’s ascending, at some point, he will probably ascend beyond her ability to hold onto him, unless he is just too nice a guy to leave. Either way it won’t be a happy situation.

    On the other hand, if the high-status CTO is old enough (and I’m talking AT LEAST 15 years older unless he’s the afforementioned herb), she may have a shot of hanging onto him for the long-term, as the trajectories of their attractiveness are more likely to match and they can just grow old and unattractive happily together.

    Obviously, a leap of faith has to be taken, as this CTO may just be looking for a P&D, but I bet her long-term prospects are better with the CTO.

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  98. This isn’t brutal, it’s just honest. I like how readers and the author were quick to diagnose the submitter’s sense of inflated value. Girls in hyper-selective circles (ivy league, high finance, etc) are often paired with alphas (or at least guys with money/power) due to sheer exposure – they share the same watering holes: work place, gyms, communities. Even if they’re more challenging to game, their availability creates incentives to pair up.

    If you’re in high finance (hedge funds, i-banking, etc) or consulting, the girls are highly polarized:

    1] The over-achieving, power-hungry, chip-on-the-shoulder, type-As (like her)
    2] The nerdier, hard-working, anti-social types
    3] Now of course there are special cases, but they are too rare to document

    Her sense of entitlement is obvious in her writings. In that sense, the pictures don’t even matter. #2, especially, where she’s “cuter”, is just an angle picture. Anyone can look decent in that angle. Girls tend to concentrate too much on the peak, and not on the soon-coming decline.

    My only question is that if the boyfriend is an upper-beta, lower-alpha, and is “too good” for her, then why is he with her?

    Re: to game.in.bk – what do you think her attitude is towards black men?
    Re: Anonymous


    I only wish you had mentioned how Manhattan is filled with these kinds of women. And by these kinds of women, I mean, mediocre unattractive she-male women with upscale education etc. which they think somehow compensates. There are also plenty of successful otherwise handsome men with very average unattractive women.

    Ha: sounds like DC!
    Oh wait, aww….

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  99. on August 20, 2010 at 2:54 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Advice for her: Marry him right now!

    Advice for him: You can do better now and you will probably be able to do much better in a few years when your status really starts going up. Dump her now!

    I’ve lived in NYC. This girl could never get a very high status man to commit to her. Some high status men you see with girls like this are because those are girlfriends that were loyal to them before they attained high status.

    She’s a 5.5, definitely cute enough to nail if she gives it up with only token resistance. But not cute enough to really date longer than a couple of weeks. Any higher status men giving her attention are just trying to get their dicks wet easily.

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  100. the CTO may be into her look, not everyone likes the same thing.
    And besides, the whole point this entire time has been that traditionally high status betas like Mr. CTO are obsolete once [insert GBFM lolzlzl butthexing divorce joke here] happens, he’ll lose his $.

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  101. They have Stanford in Tijuana?

    Most 8- to 10-rated American women come from moneyed areas. It’s simple really: rich alphas procreate with 8 through 10 hotties and begat children who share their genetics.

    Excellent comments gents.

    out

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  102. Personally, I prefer to start with a quartile, with something like…

    10-7.5: Head-turning attractive in most social situations. When you see her in a dress, you have to look. 10s will always make you look, but 7.5s will still be able to pull this off in most bars, office parties, and so on. Personally, I like to think of a 10 as “Hollywood hot” and a 7.5 as “generically hot”.
    7.5-5: Not head-turning attractive, but still decent to look at. If you spot her, you won’t mind looking for a little while, but you’re not instinctively drawn to her appearance.
    5-2.5: “Plain” at best. Not attractive, probably overweight or old. Not ugly, though – you can talk to the girl if you have to, but it feels like talking to a man.
    2.5-0: “People of Walmart”. You instinctively can’t stand being in the same room as her, lest her hideous visage steal your masculine soul.

    Then from there I narrow it down depending on location, situation, and so on. In this girl’s case, I’d say she’s definitely in the 7.5-5 quartile, especially in that tube dress (Does anybody look good in those? No? Didn’t think so.).

    As for her question… yeah, she’s a golddigger all right. What she wants is a high finance guy that she can latch on to, take for everything he’s worth, while partying around (among other things) with the Eastern European guy that largely acts like an alpha. This way she can get treated like the princess she thinks she is while simultaneously acting like the common street whore that she is.

    It really is a fascinating and depressing look into the vapid morass of the common female American’s psyche. I hope she gets hit by a truck.

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  103. Yeah askjoe, maybe the CTO is into running-back torsoed, assymetrically-eyed entitled whores when there are hotter girls available.

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  104. AMEN

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  105. Her confident lesser alpha/ higher beta BF might be in on this if only for the laughs or to otherwise DHV when she was inevitably torn apart here.

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  106. “a different tact” ??

    Come on Roissy. You’re better than that. Or at least the old writer was. Who are all these new guys?

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  107. Rofl @ Master beta, get hit by a truck?

    even if this is a fake email, still funny

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  108. JAFO: Alternative theory – he’s the one that posted this after she hit on a C-level executive (or was waaayyy too receptive to a C-level’s advances) at his work party. Kind of a semi-dickish, semi-passive aggressive way to DLV her.

    Oh, you think you’re hot stuff because Mr. X flirted with you? Well, guess what – he flirted with everyone in the room. You’re not that special… and, to help drive that point home, here’s Roissy!

    In related news, I changed the locks and your crap will be picked up by city sanitation in the morning. Your crap was getting in Natalia’s way, anyway.

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  109. Any girl who has ever emailed me asking for a rating has been under a 7. If you have to ask if you’re attractive or not, you’re not. Just lose weight, grow your hair, and hope for the best.

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  110. Poetry–

    Not only that, but she’s wanting to completely submit to her partner, being the “perfect” housewife/baby-mama/fetus farm.

    God you’re annoying.

    But then I haven’t thought much of you at least since your ex fiance wrote that crystal clear post about your whirlwind breakup and golddigging negotiations about your wedding and plans to be supported by him through your education. Which made crystal so much that you endless obfuscated in your murky emotion and image laden writing at your blog.

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  111. running-back torsoed, assymetrically-eyed entitled whores

    a. funny
    b. oh my God, she is asymmetrical.

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  112. Vincent Ignatius

    Advice for her: Marry him right now!

    Advice for him: You can do better now and you will probably be able to do much better in a few years when your status really starts going up. Dump her now!

    Advice for him: don’t marry her or let her move in. Keep her for now but keep putting off the question while you focus on your career. Learn some game and go out without her at least one night a week, and practice approaching and gaming 7s at first, maybe 6s if necessary to get some momentum going.

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  113. I think I know why there is such controversy on her looks (besides normal variance for taste). She has that nauseating “look at me!” look on her face. I’ve always cringed when I saw a woman with that expression. I’ve never been to NYC, but from the pics I’ve seen this seems like a common look there. If she wasn’t so smug, she might be sort of pretty.

    Also, I’m not sure if the CTO is really alpha based on the pics linked. Assuming he is, I did the math on the likelyhood of an alpha marrying a woman who sleeps with him on my post “So you want alpha?”. Assuming an average alpha nails 300 women lifetime, and assuming 1 in 5 Alphas marry, she has a 1 in 1,500 chance that the alpha will marry her.

    I say she should go for it. That way her boyfriend can find a pretty girl.

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  114. I have been reading your blog . . .

    Money is important to me since I want to be a stay at home mom eventually (or at least have the option) and I never want to worry about money . . .

    I have recently had the CTO of [major bank] ask to date me, and various other high earning finance guys . . .

    . . . sends money back home (admirable but a possible detriment in the future if they need to be continually supported).

    LovelySexyBeauty is that you?

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  115. Stanford girls really should stay in the Bay Area as there is less female competition. Girls from SF get their egos crushed when they see the female talent out here.

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  116. on August 20, 2010 at 3:37 pm Internet nerd mode

    The lower bottom of her face is off putting. Her smile squares off her jaw and her teeth look like Mr. Ed. Maybe my monitor is dusty but I see a moustache too.

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  117. i agree with vincent ignatius, and the consensus, that she should grab the nice guy while she is in her prime and he is on the way up – and that the advice for him is the opposite. i’d call her a 6, maybe 6.5 pushing 7 if she lost the 10 lbs. also agree with PA that the advice at the end was quite compassionate by chateau standards.

    @doug- actually, i followed that story pretty closely, and have been in touch with poetry at the time and since. some of the stuff on the ex’s post was either wrong or exaggerated. let’s cut the girl some slack, having had her hero-worship relationship come apart in a rather distressing way. bygones, etc.

    @game-in-bk- iranian bikini contest? really? are these the expat LA iranians? i would think so. when middle eastern girls are beautiful they can be really gorgeous in an exotic way.

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  118. I am sure I will be seeing this girl at Ulysses on a Thursday night. All girls like her end up down there since it is filled with finance guys (largely without game). Very entertaining scene.

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  119. What’s so great about a guy that works in finance?

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  120. butthex withouth teh girlth’s conthenth

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  121. I agree with Roissy. She honestly won’t be able to do better than that the guy she is with, and the guy she is with sounds like he is on the way up status wise. Accepting he is the best she can get, and going with him is the best way for her to go.

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  122. Why is this average looking girl demanding so much tribute for occasional access to her pussy.

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  123. Come on. There were guys around here that put ugmos like lilgrl at 7+ and this girl is only a 5.5?

    A distasteful personality to be sure, but this girl is physically not below a 6. She’s a solid 7 in the top pic. Nice eyes, nice coloring, nice hair, nice curvy figure. The only negatives are are teeth really and lack of upper lip. Yeah, she’ll probably be a 5 in a couple of years time – she looks like she’ll be the kind that will get getting fat, really quickly- but at this moment in time she’s looking decent.

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  124. This is easy. She’s not married, not even engaged. She should date both of them for a while and then only she can decide which one is the better to invest her time, energy, money, emotions in .

    She’s above average in looks, considering People of Walmart are what’s average. Unless NYC is full of Supermodels on every block, I would give her a solid 7.5, possibly 8.

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  125. goldigger, cooks well, loudmouthed nag, etiquette… well it all sounds familiar. Lebanese i say.

    she doesn’t need advice, what will happen is clear: she will marry the boyfriend (Roissy gets the right of Prima Nocte as it is clear that she is also interested in him too), she will date the CTO on the side and he will dump her, she will feel screwed inside by she will hide it as long as her mother is satisfied with the husband.

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  126. […] While I was bopping my head to 50 Cent on my iPod and purusing the Internet for my next target, in comes to my mailbox a most interesting post by Roissy; frequent readers there will know well his penchant for answering letters from his fanbase. […]

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  127. I thought this was an interesting sentence :

    “used to work in finance but quit that when it started changing my personality into a man’s”

    Does this mean :
    1) She started taking responsibility for her efforts
    2) She took pride in her work
    2) She stopped kissing up to the boss
    3) She stopped trying to manipulate others to do her work for her
    4) She actually cared about whether she was right or not
    5) She stopped trying to be the center-of-attention
    6) She thinking how her work is actually interesting and could be useful
    7) Stopped asking for more money, more vacation, more resources
    8) Kept a calm and positive demeanor even during incredibly busy times

    or did she mean something else?

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  128. She should just move to DC. problem solved (or created) depending on one’s vantage point.

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  129. VIRGIN
    You’re an idiot. If she’s an 8 than every white college girl that’s not fat or particularly grotesque facially is a 10, which makes the rating system not useful. But I suppose that’s what you want, for nerdy plain girls to be held in the same regard as hotter, “fake” girls. Every girl’s a 10!!!111one

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  130. OK, here’s what I don’t get. A guy moving ahead in a HEDGE FUND will make a LOT MORE than a CTO at Citi, who is there to be replaced. A Hedge Fund guy can work anywhere, and will be in demand, if he’s making money (as her b/f seems to). A CTO is a dime a dozen. He’s there for risk management, trade execution, Sarbox, other stuff that does not MAKE MONEY (I say as someone at much lower level fulfilled that function). Supposedly this gal worked on Wall Street and “gets” that her guy’s NPV is much higher than the Citi CTO.

    And, not that hot. NYC really skews how things are set up, for guys. If THAT is the best the b/f can do. Indeed, note the little sentiment, loyalty, etc. the woman has when a guy with marginally higher status NOW (but a poor bet for future status relative to the Hedge Fund guy) shows interest. I mean, she’s not ugly. But not a supermodel babe either.

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  131. subnuclear,
    That was pretty funny.

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  132. Oh man that was so brutal but she was asking for it and the Chateau delievered!

    I wonder what type of advice a woman’s magazine relationship columnist would have given her?! probably something along the lines of dumping the guy she was with and following her desires.

    I am going to tell you what this woman is probably going to do, she is going to do exactly what a monkey on a tree branch is going to do “not let go of one tree branch until she firmly hangs onto another”. This woman will clearly attempt to farther gauge the interest of the CTO on whether or not she can secure a long term committment from him and may in fact cheat on her current boyfriend in doing so. If after fucking the CTO for a good 6-9 months, she finds out that the CTO will not financially secure her future (aka asking her to move in with him and to be with him exclusively) then she will go back to her unsuspecting boyfriend and attempt to have a baby with him in order to firmly secure option number 2 because she won’t do much better then him.

    Ahh the nature of woman……

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  133. @ Thursday

    I want to speak clearly here. I listed what I consider a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and a 10. Some guys may optimistically link their standards to their ranking system, but standards and ranking systems are completely different. I may think GSP is a better fighter than Anderson Silva, but either can beat me up badly. It’s possible my dating league, on my system, is at best a 5 or 6, and that’s a confidence suck, but that is the reason I come to sites like this, to maybe get up to 7 or briefly an 8.

    @ Doug1

    You want to get the girls when they are in college, when their notch count is lower, before they are exposed to a wider array of high status men.
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/08/12/the-difficulty-of-gaming-women-by-age-bracket/

    @ Roosh

    Spot on analysis yet again. It’s remarkable a girl with insecurities thinks she’s in the market for alpha males.

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  134. I make no money, live in LA, am older than her boyfriend and I get hotter women than that.

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  135. Nailed it, Roosh.

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  136. This woman is a sad case. She could probably have been a good human being (the amount she apologizes for herself shows she has a conscience), but something in that Stanford/Wall Street world seems to have fucked her up beyond repair. She thinks of herself as a commodity and has no clue about romantic relationships. Hopefully her boyfriend sees this and runs.

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  137. @ whiskey

    Your eyes don’t lie. Go to any list of top hedge fund managers, Fortune 500 CEOS, Forbes list billionaires, etc and of course 90% of the list is men and 99% of them have weak looking wives. It must be a status symbol as Mark Zuckerberg is well on his way to joining this club.

    It’s not even possible to say “Oh maybe she looked like Heather Locklear back in the day”. No these rich men are married to average girls. In the age of plenty, when all of these girls have their own income, they just don’t care as much about money as men do. They aren’t objective and numbers inclined. Half of them probably can’t tell the difference between a 911, Vanquish, and a Veyron.

    You talked about ladders, with one for men ranking men (country clubs etc) and women ranking men and how they’ve slowly diverged over time, hence our issues with players, hypergamy and game. Maybe globalization has made it such that men ranked high on women’s sex ladder don’t work as hard as it takes to become a billionaire or a hedge fund guy. Maybe she is right her half million a year hedge fund guy is a beta.

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  138. I stand by my solid 7.5. She’s not wearing that much makeup so you can see her actual skin and features. They are good. Lips are a bit thin though.

    There’s nothing wrong with her looks at all and she has good, thick, glossy curly hair. Yep, a solid 7.5 and even an 8 if we are to compare her to the “average” American (fat with bloated features).

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  139. My advice for this girl- move to sf, find a millionaire techie beta who thinks you’re the hottest thing on the planet, and marry him. Trying to play the same game in NYC will be far more challenging and likely result in heartbreak and failure

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  140. @ PA

    Yes, 10 haves to be exotic. To get paid millions of dollars for your beauty, you have to be exotic. Maybe the only 9 in my system I’d consider for 10 status is Grace Kelly. That said I feel like the human race is getting better looking each generation and women like Grace Kelly are the natural result of this evolution. That said, I don’t consider a woman a 10 unless there is something about her that seems like a Gift from God, something like the Hope diamond that I’ll never see again.

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  141. db,

    What the fuck. That picture is 1/4 of your face.

    What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

    Are you half attention whoring? What are we supposed to do with a picture of your 3/4 smile?

    Shit.

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  142. on August 20, 2010 at 4:26 pm blacksquirrel

    My advice: Move out of NYC.

    She can certainly land a doctor or lawyer in the Midwest. Most of the women in this part of the country are fugly as hell (not to mention significantly overweight, if not obese) and the ones married to moneyed dudes are only marginally better. She would be a solid 8 in these parts and she would be considered a hot commodity.

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  143. Really successful men probably want a wife that is going to cater to them and be willing to be in the background rather than someone who wants a lot of attention herself.

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  144. on August 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm The Alchemist

    I was in NYC last week – you can’t walk more than two city blocks and not run into a girl who is way, way better looking than this chick. In fact, spend 15mins on the street there and i guarantee you’ll see a dozen girls who’d put her to shame.

    This girl is OK looking. She has no business juggling multiple men like she’s some kind of model; or measuring guys solely by the size of their wallet. What she needs to do is grow up and realize that the world does not revolve around her. She is not god’s gift to men – despite what i’m sure her parents are telling her on a weekly basis. Any guy who’s educated, makes a reasonable salary (ie.. enough to pay rent and put food in her big ass mouth) and who actually wants to go out with her obnoxious ass should be seen as a gift to her. Something she should cherish and be happy about. Instead of act like a money grubbing, Id indulging child, she should practice a little humility and self awareness. She should be happy any guy can even tolerate her presence.

    To her boyfriend, if he comes across this blog: The bell tolls for thee, and it’s her big fat, mustached ass that is doing the ringing. run for your life, sir. Run…

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  145. @VIRGIN
    This is easy. She’s not married, not even engaged. She should date both of them for a while and then only she can decide which one is the better to invest her time, energy, money, emotions in .

    She’s above average in looks, considering People of Walmart are what’s average. Unless NYC is full of Supermodels on every block, I would give her a solid 7.5, possibly 8.

    This is why it’s so depressing to deal with women. Because of People of Walmart, a non-fat woman thinks she’s the Queen Bee. Damned People of Walmart.

    7.5 or 8. A prime example of what happens to women in this market.

    Also, a prime example of why men should get the fuck out of dodge. Want hot girls? Get a real 7 or 8 (or 9!) in Asia. Or Eastern Europe.

    These fat chicks have just ruined America.

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  146. Lol bd I like to maintain a bit of privacy when commenting on random blog posts while still satisfying my attention whoring needs

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  147. Doug1,

    I never read that post, so I’m not exactly sure of the content. What little has been relayed to me has been such outright lies that I’ve spent way too much of my time trying to determine what type of man I was about to marry, and if I missed so much about him and his character.

    However, since I’m female and he’s Mr Alpha Extraordinaire, you’ll never believe a word I say.

    That’s okay. My friends, my family, know me. I know me.

    I went from being engaged to a millionaire, having a guaranteed lifetime of financial security and ability to go get my Masters’ and probably my PhD, to dating a famous, but heavily debt-ridden porn director, who lives paycheck to paycheck with five endearingly psychotic cats.

    And I’m happier for it.

    Maurice,

    Thanks for being such a sweetheart, and being there for me through the whole engagement process and the fall out. It was a bit of a nightmare, but your support, and the support of others, enabled me to get out of a toxic situation.

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  148. @blight
    I make no money, live in LA, am older than her boyfriend and I get hotter women than that.

    Amen.

    Holy shit.

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  149. The Alchemist, I’ve not been to NYC in a while but when I was there I did not see many people much better looking that she. Maybe things have changed in 2 year’s time.

    On an avearge day out where I currently live, considering that more than half of the people are obese with bloated features, she’s a solid 7.5 and a woman like her would indeed be juggling WAY MORE than just 2 men, and rightly so.

    What I find with men who don’t get laid or don’t get regular attention from women is that their rating system is skewed in favor of an imaginary ideal woman that lives in their minds. When it comes to real life women they have no proper means of gaging.

    You gage according to what MOST people look like around you. Most Americans simply do not look as pleasant as this woman.

    The best gage might be “how does she measure up compared to ME” (for all those dissing her very pleasant and symmetrical looks).

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  150. She is a 6 in NY, LA, and SF proper.

    A 7.5-8 in most other major cities.

    In NY, only Manhattan has hotties. The rest of the city is rather homely (a lot of black women).

    LA is still tops. SF has a lot of hotties, but other parts of the Bay Area are a couple of tiers lower.

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  151. Maybe this has already been said (I don’t have the patience to read through all 138 preceding comments), but the fact that she went to Stanford isn’t irrelevant. My guess is it probably contributes to her pull toward high status financiers when she already has what seems like a pretty solid, succesful boyfriend, even if that pull would have otherwise been there. Given the prestige of the university, she probably has, in the background, lots of former classmates she’s still friends with, at least on facebook, who are dating guys being groomed as future CEOs or who’ve already sold their first software start-up for $2mil.

    Living in Boston, I’ve dated a few Harvard alumns and it’s a real drag to see that factor playing into the success of the relationship.

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  152. many black, educated women in nyc do not make an effort to hide their gold digging plans.

    white girls seem to be a little more discreet.
    ask some black men in nyc and you will hear all about the issues they face with gold digging black women.

    its crazy, for some- if they can’t get the athlete, they want the finance guy, if that fails they may go for the thug.

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  153. A lot of fairly high money guys are not particularly Alpha – hard working, smart and ambitious Betas (not necessarily even upper Betas). They often have the relatively plain (even mediocre) looking women they attached to when they were poor nobodies (and the pair are often pretty tightly bonded and happy together).

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  154. Maybe “lots” is an overstatement, but you see what I mean.

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  155. Great post, roissy. But do you really think she’s already decided to stay with her bf? I immediately thought the opposite: that she was emailing so that you would give her permission to cheat/leave on her bf for the CTO, since she’s already thinking of it. She wanted you to tell her, “Hey, your bf is a beta, the CTO is an alpha, go be with the alpha.”

    I think the bf has learned game, and, without it, she would have leapt onto the CTO’s dick already.

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  156. 5.5? To me, at best, she’s a 3. In 10 years the unlucky sap who winds up with her will find out he married Joy Behar.

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  157. Timothy, have you been to williamsburg and greenpoint Brooklyn? shit, even astoria has some solid hot looking chicks.

    15 years ago, the hotties only lived in Manhattan, they have been priced out now.

    many of them live in the outer boroughs.
    i was on the G yesterday, in BK, and there were four girls that were almost eights. mind you, all on one subway car.

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  158. Timothy wrote:

    She is a 6 in NY, LA, and SF proper.

    A 7.5-8 in most other major cities.

    Put down the Liquid Paper dude.

    I would say for NY, LA, and SF she may rate a 5 and no more than 6.5 anywhere else, but she’s defiantly no 8.

    That said, hopefully her BF gets wind of this and dumps the bitch.

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  159. If you guys aren’t going to get LASIK or glasses, at least get some effing contacts for your computer monitors! 7, 8, 9?!?! WTF.

    A solid 5 or 5.25 with a tailwind, but going down hard in five years.

    But how sure are we that she even sent this in, and it wasn’t a girlfriend or even her boyfriend putting his inner monologue to electrons?

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  160. on August 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm Sg.t Joe Friday

    If she’s from California, she ain’t Puerto Rican. My guess is the parentage is black father and white mother, with the latter possibly being out on the kook fringe left, purposely getting pregnant by a black guy to (a) make a political statement, or (b) get back at her parents for some perceived injustice.

    As for her looks, she’s OK, maybe after a couple of drinks she starts to improve. She may look “exotic” to some now, but “exotic” has a funny way of turning into “bizarre” after just a few years. Check out National Lampoon’s Big Book of Love for a complete breakdown of what awaits based on your GF or wife’s appearance when she was young.

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  161. Typical post-college Manhattan gold digger. Always interviewing prospects for their status looking to trade up in standings. She’s a 6, at best, who thinks and acts like she’s an 8. Hedge fund BF will tire of her act of flirting with other guys in front of him–which means she also flirts behind his back. Not loyal, not discreet–a pump and dump cock carousel candidate. She’ll turn 30 and wonder what happened…

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  162. Laura

    Really successful men probably want a wife that is going to cater to them and be willing to be in the background rather than someone who wants a lot of attention herself.

    Not exactly.

    They usually want arm candy who are also great hostesses and so on. Who ideally having some status thing about them to casually mention out in public. In a pinch it can be entirely created through his money and her being good socially, by her being big on the charity circuit. Sometimes they want an artsy girl that’s also a good social butterfly. They definitely want loyalty.

    A lot of guys who are really successful go from higher beta to lesser alpha as they become really successful. If they get mega successful, and they’re male sociable as most highly successful men are despite Bill Gates, they may become solid alphas with girls too. This often involves leaving the first wife. Since feminists tended to focus far more on the highest level men, this is exactly who they wanted to punish in divorce 2.0, by giving her half his huge earned wealth during the marriage, for the first time in history anywhere in divorce, beginning in the 70s. Then feminists extended this by making divorce no fault and punishing men just the same when they’re the one that wants to trade up (though that’s often an illusion). What a country!!!!!!

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  163. on August 20, 2010 at 5:36 pm aspiratingonreality

    Maybe she will take the Pepsi challenge and learn her lesson. I hope she does. I hope she wrote that at home on the laptop and her boyfriend reads it and drops her cold in the dirt.

    I wanted to throw up right off the bat, reading her words.

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  164. VIRGIN

    The Alchemist, I’ve not been to NYC in a while but when I was there I did not see many people much better looking that she. Maybe things have changed in 2 year’s time.

    So you went to no hot clubs or bars in Manhattan? You didn’t hang out in Soho during the week (weekends it can be bridge and tunnel central) or walk along Madison avenue in the 50s and 60s?

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  165. Good advice. Hey, Roissy. If you don’t mind, where can I find a 10 by your definition.

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  166. She’s not that swarthy. Looks Jewish or perhaps Italian. Its incredibly laughable that people are suggesting she’s half black. She’s not even particularly tan. The only thing making her look “exotic” is her hair. Even Northern Euros can have curly hair though. You don’t have to be a straight haired blonde or red-head to be white.

    I would give her a 6.5 to 7.5, depending on the area. You’re all being harsh.

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  167. shit.
    in the summer time, just wait a few minutes during rush hour on a nyc subway platform. you will be blown away, literally, by what you see.

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  168. Doug1 & Virgin: She’s average looking for almost any Manhattan bar filled with 20-somethings. Forget Madison Ave, that’s guaranteed whiplash territory.

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  169. First I tought this blog was turning into a chick magazine. Then I lol’d.
    .
    Just disagree on author’s indiference for background and good manners. No way I’m marrying the beautiful peasant.

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  170. I am still willing to say a 6 in NY/LA/SF due to the big jugs and good skin tone (no freckles).

    When I say she is a 7.5-8 in the US interior, keep in mind how most chicks are fat there.

    If nothing else, I think most of the male commenters will agree that this woman is possibly better looking than LILGrl, FeministX, and Chic Noir.

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  171. Her BF is Eastern European and is starting off at a hedge fund in NYC? I think her karma will come back to her, and that he will eventually leave. EE men are pretty dominant naturally, to the point that their countries produce beautiful women who are held up to higher standards. They have natural game built into them. Once he becomes successful, he will realize the options he has, and will most likely move on.

    On a side note, how is sending money back to family who are poor beta? That seems pretty irrelevant to me, especially given the culture he comes from. It is only “beta” if you are American and would never dream of supporting your parents. I am rather surprised that showing compassion is treated as mutually exclusive to alphaness.

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  172. Doug1, I did go to some clubs and hot spots, the kind where people go to see and be seen. Women are usually ultra glammed up and you cannot gage their actual, natural looks at these places. This woman, aside from the heavy black eyeliner, has very little makeup on in the photo and you can see that she has naturally clear and smooth skin, as well as nice features – straight nose, big round eyes, good shaped lips (but a bit on the thin side for today’s taste).

    She’s definetly a solid 7.5.

    Where’s the thread where commenters posted their picks? I’d be interested in gaging her against you guys – on looks alone.

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  173. Forbes

    Make that 30-somethings.

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  174. She’s a solid 6.5 in NYC.

    You’re brutal Roissy. But objective. That’s why I read this blog and recommend it to friends.

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  175. Home Run! Knockout Post!

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  176. For the guys exaggerating about how merely watching rush hour pedestrians in Manhattan will result in seeing a deluge of 9s and 10s…

    The reality is that to really see a lot of hotties in Manhattan, you have to go to the clubs or the right parties.

    Foot traffic on the street will show some hotties, but not any more than you will see on the campus of a Big 10 State University like U of M, OSU, or Penn State between classes on a day with good weather.

    Manhattan’s status as the center of the fashion industry merely increases the proportion of 9s and 10s from 1% elsewhere to 3% in Manhattan…

    The bottom 80% in Manhattan are homely too. Black, Puerto Rican, and Bangladeshi women exist.

    Plus, guys who get laid there are the guys with Game, natural or learned. Some Wall Street guys do well, of course, but there are also a lot of Wall Streeters making $500K who can’t get laid. They lack both Game and free time, and are puzzled how all this hard work and money is still not getting them what they thought they should.

    Again, there are $1M earners in Manhattan who still can’t get laid. Some of them are not even Asian either.

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  177. on August 20, 2010 at 6:08 pm almost 40 year old virgin

    It´s post like these that make me always come back to the almighty Roissy Assholyness. 😉

    Dear god, the insights into rotten female minds like these make me so glad for having to choose/choosing my current lifestyle.

    She´s 25, a barely above average plain Jane AND thinks she´s in her prime?!?
    Russian & eastern Europeans would have a great big belly laugh. Every Russian gal KNOWS she´s an old woman by 25.

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  178. Seriously, her face is incredibly asymmetrical. I’d guess jewish + something else. Also she’s pretty much a 5.5. Her body ain’t a 0.7 hip to waist ratio (0.75 at best), just looking at the photo, and at 25, she has already lost the battle of the bulge. She also looks incredibly familiar.

    She should be dating some beta programmer nerd dude. That’s probably what she’s used to, from Stanford days.

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  179. EE men are pretty dominant naturally, to the point that their countries produce beautiful women who are held up to higher standards.

    Actually, they are the most Beta of all white men. EE men are the only men aside from Orientals where their own women are so frequent to marry outside their own ethnicity.

    I know quite a few EE women who married Blacks, Indians, Arabs, and Italians. I have never seen an EE man get a decent looking woman from another group.

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  180. @VIRGIN
    Doug1, I did go to some clubs and hot spots, the kind where people go to see and be seen. Women are usually ultra glammed up and you cannot gage their actual, natural looks at these places. This woman, aside from the heavy black eyeliner, has very little makeup on in the photo and you can see that she has naturally clear and smooth skin, as well as nice features – straight nose, big round eyes, good shaped lips (but a bit on the thin side for today’s taste).

    She’s definetly a solid 7.5.

    Where’s the thread where commenters posted their picks? I’d be interested in gaging her against you guys – on looks alone.

    Virgin,

    Obviously, 1) You’re not male, so your opinion of the appearance of other women is irrelevant and almost certainly wrong (from a male perspective), and 2) Just because she’s not actually fat doesn’t put her automatically above 7.

    Average non-fat chicks aren’t 6.0. Average non-fat chicks are around 4.0 or 5.0.

    6.0 is cute.
    She’s cute.

    That’s it.

    6.0 is the highest I’d give her – and I’ve sampled.

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  181. I think she’s way underestimating this guy, especially if this is her first runin with the EE crowd. She shouldn’t be put off that he’s asking her to be exclusive, that’s normal and also normal if she finds out he’s got a couple on the side too

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  182. Important clarification needs to be made. Whiskey touched on it:

    OK, here’s what I don’t get. A guy moving ahead in a HEDGE FUND will make a LOT MORE than a CTO at Citi, who is there to be replaced. A Hedge Fund guy can work anywhere, and will be in demand, if he’s making money (as her b/f seems to). A CTO is a dime a dozen. He’s there for risk management, trade execution, Sarbox, other stuff that does not MAKE MONEY (I say as someone at much lower level fulfilled that function). Supposedly this gal worked on Wall Street and “gets” that her guy’s NPV is much higher than the Citi CTO.

    CTO sounds a lot higher status than it actually is. He’s head of technology, so he’s basically in charge of making sure that the computers are working. It’s back office. Back office is a giant secretary that serves the front office (the i-bankers, traders, brokers, etc.). Front office makes the real money; they’re the ones who get the bonuses.

    If her boyfriend is an analyst or trader (front office) at a good hedge fund, he will in all likelihood make more money over the long run. (Of course, he could be working a back office function for the hedge fund, in which case he might not even come close. We’re talking 60k a year vs. 200k a year.)

    Her face is borderline 7 and she’s overweight. She should cling to the hedge fund guy for dear life.

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  183. PA–

    Zgadzam się z tobą

    How do you do this Polish shite with accents, on a presumably English keyboard / programing.

    I mean I’m sure I could google how to do it, but I suspect you’ve found a real easy way. My interest is more for French and Spanish, but the same concept should apply.

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  184. Has she killed herself yet?

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  185. I’d also like to second this comment from FoxCon:

    The reality is that to really see a lot of hotties in Manhattan, you have to go to the clubs or the right parties.

    Foot traffic on the street will show some hotties, but not any more than you will see on the campus of a Big 10 State University like U of M, OSU, or Penn State between classes on a day with good weather.

    Manhattan’s status as the center of the fashion industry merely increases the proportion of 9s and 10s from 1% elsewhere to 3% in Manhattan…

    The distribution of hotness in NYC has a fat right tail. There is also a favorable male/female ratio. But most of the girls are similar to what you’d see in other cities. It’s not some utopia where 50% of the girls are 7+.

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  186. Poetry–

    I went from being engaged to a millionaire, having a guaranteed lifetime of financial security and ability to go get my Masters’ and probably my PhD, to dating a famous, but heavily debt-ridden porn director, who lives paycheck to paycheck with five endearingly psychotic cats.

    Aren’t you and exemplar of virtue!!!!

    Not buying it.

    He’s well done with you.

    I think the odds of your super slut self ever being a loyal wife for long to any man are very long.

    You ex fiance is well rid of you. I like him a lot more than you.

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  187. Roissy,

    This is unreal.

    I do not think that was ethical. Yeah, she deserves to be punished — as we all do for things we have done or wanted to do — but why did you just ruin her life?

    You of all people must know that your site is huge and getting more huge by the day.

    Do we know her name yet? Her graduation year from Stanford? Her Manhattan street address? Her fucking PIN?

    I wish I could say that I would stop reading your site. But I can’t. Shit like this is addictive.

    Damn it all.

    Cheers,
    Rivelino

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  188. @Argus

    I thought EE had a very high ratio of women to men due to wars, conscriptions, early male death, alcoholism, ect?

    That would explain the marrying outside of ethnicity while the men maintain alphaness.

    I’ve been with the EE crowd for a number of years (due to my obsession with Soviet history) and I don’t see the men bending over backwards to please women. They seem kind of macho to me, actually.

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  189. Why is it that Jewish girls have such strange features? I’m ethnically half Jewish (Sephardic), and with the big nose and jew-fro that goes with it. It is rather frustrating, and I can’t wait for the day to afford rhinoplasty.

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  190. im shocked, i thought she was gorgeous my husband said “eh, she looks like any girl on the street–average”

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  191. I thought EE had a very high ratio of women to men due to wars, conscriptions, early male death, alcoholism, ect?

    That was long ago. That was true of Japan at the time too. Look how Beta Japanese men are now.

    EE men are the most Beta of all white men, just like Orientals. I know many EE women marrying men from very different ethnicities, but I never see EE men getting a pretty woman from another race, and quite often, not even from their own.

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  192. White power, Argus?

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  193. Doug1,

    Virtue? No. A different set of values? Yes.

    While I never quite liked you, I at least respected your advice.

    But it’s becoming quite obvious that you’re more gender-biased than sociological studies performed by feminist professors.

    Have to wonder what woman crawled up inside your skin and broke you so well.

    And, since it seems you have forgotten these little details, I’ll remind you:
    1. My ex-fiancee owns an adult club in Hollywood.
    2. My ex-fiancee was a hardcore swinger.
    3. My ex-fiancee had been with over four hundred woman, probably breaking four-fifty now.
    4. My ex-fiancee wanted an open relationship and constantly pushed me to go out and “have some fun” even though I had no interest.
    5. The weekend we got engaged, he took me to a BDSM/swingers party at some mansion in the valley to “celebrate”.
    6. The reason he never took our relationship seriously, broke up with me three times, and only proposed once I finally left him, was because I wanted monogamy.

    So, if you’re going to be throwing out statements like the above, get them right.

    Tell me that my cunt is so used that you could host a wrestling match inside it.

    Tell me I’ve been with so many men that I couldn’t emotionally connect with a puppy, much less another human being.

    Tell me that no man will ever take a reformed whore like me, that my vagina can’t help it and will crawl off onto some other man’s dick out of some sort of penetrative addiction.

    But don’t tell me that he’s well rid of me because I wouldn’t have been faithful to him.

    Do your research or keep your mouth closed. You’re not a stupid man, there’s no reason for you to sound like one.

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  194. man i had to wash my eyes out with bleach after reading that

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  195. Argus:

    That’s bullshit. I just got back from Eastern Europe. The average guy on the street looks like a paramilitary. Way more alpha than the west. The women who leave Eastern Europe to marry are leaving because they want to marry betas.

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  196. Poetry–

    The reason he never took our relationship seriously, broke up with me three times, and only proposed once I finally left him, was because I wanted monogamy.

    Yeah, HIS monogamy.

    While you got your clutches into his money by legal entitlement by marrying him in feminist divorce 2.0 America.

    Then you’d cheat. You’d cheat on his swinging with you in fact. You know exactly what I mean, though most readers won’t.

    You’re not worth any man’s with option’s loyalty. I.e. any kind of alpha man.

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  197. Poetry of Flesh,

    You fell for him though. Plenty in the sea, lass.

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  198. She’s a 5.5-6 in the first pic. And a 7 in the second one.

    We need more pics.

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  199. @ Foxcon
    “The bottom 80% in Manhattan are homely too. Black, Puerto Rican, and Bangladeshi women exist.”

    Yeah but they don’t even register on our radar when we walk by them on the street, at best (repulsion at worst). They might as well be men or inanimate objects like stop signs or fire hydrants.

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  200. Meh to all of you who say she’s a 7. Roissy is right. I’d put her at 5.5 at *tops*.

    First of all, she’s clearly wrong about her W/H ratio. That’s not .7, period. I don’t know how she measured it, but it’s just not. She’s got some pudge around the middle that she should work off.

    Her boobs are nice, but if she works off the pudge around the middle as advised, she’s likely to lose a lot of that.

    And her face is just “meh”. She doesn’t really have a pretty black girl face or a pretty white girl face. She’s thin-lipped, buck-toothed, and sort of witchy looking. It’s just sort of off, and there’s nothing cute or alluring about it.

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  201. What height matters? The one with shoes on or off?

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  202. Doug: copy/paste from Polish web sites. Also, you can wiki “Polish letters.” Obviously this is for typing only a few words. Too slow for longer writing.

    Argus: aka Joe aka Ricky Raw?

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  203. Better to cry with a dick hilt-up in my ass in a mansion than laugh while kissing in an apartment on the wrong side of the tracks.

    Present, Slave, and be satisfied…

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  204. on August 20, 2010 at 7:20 pm Internet nerd mode

    Her shoulders are wider than her waist.

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  205. on August 20, 2010 at 7:32 pm Internet nerd mode

    “Girly Girl

    Why is it that Jewish girls have such strange features? I’m ethnically half Jewish (Sephardic), and with the big nose and jew-fro that goes with it. It is rather frustrating, and I can’t wait for the day to afford rhinoplasty.”

    Cool. Now I know I can ignore your comments.

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  206. on August 20, 2010 at 7:35 pm Internet nerd mode

    “Rivelino

    Roissy,

    This is unreal.

    I do not think that was ethical. Yeah, she deserves to be punished — as we all do for things we have done or wanted to do — but why did you just ruin her life?

    You of all people must know that your site is huge and getting more huge by the day.

    Do we know her name yet? Her graduation year from Stanford? Her Manhattan street address? Her fucking PIN?

    I wish I could say that I would stop reading your site. But I can’t. Shit like this is addictive.

    Damn it all.

    Cheers,
    Rivelino”

    Hey Rivelino–change your site to http://betarivelino.wordpress.com/

    Enjoy your mangina.

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  207. “dana

    im shocked, i thought she was gorgeous”

    Further evidence that women are not to be trusted

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  208. “Tell me that my cunt is so used that you could host a wrestling match inside it.

    Tell me I’ve been with so many men that I couldn’t emotionally connect with a puppy, much less another human being.

    Tell me that no man will ever take a reformed whore like me, that my vagina can’t help it and will crawl off onto some other man’s dick out of some sort of penetrative addiction.

    But don’t tell me that he’s well rid of me because I wouldn’t have been faithful to him.”

    ———

    “(rubbing hands)

    She’s come to the right place!”

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  209. Alternate Theory:

    She posted this to get the one thing every girl wants. Attention. Roissy took the bait. Hundreds of people are talking about her. Miss NYC is in Hamster Heaven.

    Think about it. She could have made up everything. Roissy was you punked?

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  210. I don’t see the asymmetry in her face.

    I did my half and half test by putting a piece of paper on both sides of her face and both sides are pretty much the same – something you don’t see even in celebrity photos.

    Other than clear skin, a straight nose, big round eyes and nice shaped lips – what do you guys want or expect in a womans’ face? I’m seriously not getting this.

    And I thought “Puerto Ricans were hot”!

    That’s what all the guys I know tell me.

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  211. I was going to rant about the stupidity of women, but Roissy owned this bitch so hard that it’s rather old.

    I almost shit myself in laughter when he said “You are a fucking handful”.

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  212. on August 20, 2010 at 7:50 pm delusional girls

    What the fucking hell?!?!?! Does this girl actually think she is hot?!?!?! What a load of shit. I would never in a million years give a fat cow like her a second look if I saw her.

    The delusional thinking that girls have never ceases to amaze me. 99.99999 percent of girls have such an overinflated sense of their level of physical attractiveness I just can’t believe they actually believe it.

    BTW… There is no way in hell this girl is 125 pounds. She looks about 150 pounds. Totally repulsive.

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  213. Poetry
    just shut the fuck up.
    Attention whore, nobody cares about your life here.

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  214. She is very plain. The girl who washes my socks looks like her.
    I wouldnt date her at all.

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  215. I agree with this post.

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  216. on August 20, 2010 at 7:59 pm Internet nerd mode

    intp

    You give this girl far too much credit. Therefore, you are retarded.

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  217. Either this letter was a hoax, or her life is over.

    She went to Stanford but is so stupid she allowed this stuff to be put on the internet. That is a clue to her ethnicity.

    This explains perhaps why that Facebook rich guy sticks with his plain Jane girl. They may really like each other. Fuck looks.

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  219. Doug1,

    I can only assume that when we were discussing marriage and I asked that we get a prenup in order to prevent any future mess, that was me somehow gold-digging as well.

    Also, you avoided every other point that I put up there.

    You have no backing, save your own biased viewpoint and a angry post my ex made in order to hurt my blog, so stop attempting to use me to validate your poor behavior and narrow-minded worldview.

    Simply put, Doug1, you’re wrong. And you’re going to continue to be wrong. All the accusations in the world wouldn’t prove you right, so suck it up and sulk off to wave your dick in some other girl’s face.

    hibswillrule,

    Yes, I know. My choice and I’d do it again- I learned a lot, had a lot of good experiences to balance out the bad. Once I stop projecting traits of his onto my current boyfriend and stop turning myself into a commitment-phobe through my constant internal spazzing, things will be fine again. Just takes time. I’m lucky he’s so patient with me and my near constant batshittery.

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  220. Where I come from a woman as pretty as she would have WAY MORE than just 2 options.

    I’m glad I don’t live in NYC!

    But I still think she should cast her net further and date more men.

    There’s always more than just 2 options for even an average woman, come on!

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  221. Poetry of Flesh, why the fuck are you friends with Steven Lee Mull?

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  222. on August 20, 2010 at 8:07 pm Internet nerd mode

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  223. on August 20, 2010 at 8:07 pm Internet nerd mode

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  224. on August 20, 2010 at 8:18 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “delusional girls

    What the fucking hell?!?!?! Does this girl actually think she is hot?!?!?! What a load of shit. I would never in a million years give a fat cow like her a second look if I saw her.

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    BTW… There is no way in hell this girl is 125 pounds. She looks about 150 pounds. Totally repulsive.”

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  225. the best way to tell if her bf is greater beta or lesser alpha is when/if he breaks up with her after finding out about this email/post.

    even without his name being mentioned, bro got punked. dump her.

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  226. on August 20, 2010 at 8:25 pm The Alchemist

    Virgin. I never said that NYC was teaming with 9’s and 10’s. What i said was, if you spend 15mins on the street there, you’ll run into a lot of women who will blow this chick away in terms of looks. This girl, in her photos is at best a 6. She’s got her hair done, wearing a nice dress, plenty of make up etc etc. She’s max’d out in the photos. On a normal day, when she’s out and about in t shirt and baggy pants she would be a five. It’s not hard to find chicks hotter than a five. As i said, i was just there last week, hanging out on the upper east side and i was enjoying the sights, for sure.

    This girl has seriously misjudged her market value. Perhaps you have too?????

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  227. “Rivelino

    Roissy,

    This is unreal.

    I do not think that was ethical. Yeah, she deserves to be punished — as we all do for things we have done or wanted to do — but why did you just ruin her life?

    You of all people must know that your site is huge and getting more huge by the day.

    Do we know her name yet? Her graduation year from Stanford? Her Manhattan street address? Her fucking PIN?

    I wish I could say that I would stop reading your site. But I can’t. Shit like this is addictive.

    Damn it all.

    Cheers,
    Rivelino”

    Hey Rivelino–change your site to http://betarivelino.wordpress.com/

    Enjoy your mangina.

    *********

    I like how he took the time to type in the http.

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  228. Internet nerd mode
    “Girly Girl

    Why is it that Jewish girls have such strange features? I’m ethnically half Jewish (Sephardic), and with the big nose and jew-fro that goes with it. It is rather frustrating, and I can’t wait for the day to afford rhinoplasty.”

    Cool. Now I know I can ignore your comments.
    **********************************

    Yup =)

    Feel free to do so. I just enjoy the different opinions, and feel there is something to be learnt from them.

    Fortunately for me, I live in a laboratory and will be more likely to marry the science gods than go on a date.

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  229. bd,

    I still don’t know who he is, though you’re not the first person to ask. I should probably bother looking at the people who ask to friend me on Facebook. I assume they’re blogreaders, I don’t use FB enough to really notice. I need to delete that thing, really.

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  230. I’ve been meaning to write about this. Ratings are ultimately subjective, to a degree.

    This is how it works, people:

    5 – You would not fuck her. Only if super trashed. Or if you are getting out of a ten year relationship. And your ex just fucked a cop. A cop she just met. On the street. That very same night.
    6 – You would fuck her sober. But probably not tell your friends.
    7 – You would fuck her and tell your friends about it.
    8 – You would fuck her really good and show her off to your friends.
    9 – You would fuck her and sort of think about marrying the bitch because she was so hot and that way you could show her off to your friends for life.

    So ultimately, hotness ratings are based on how you behave socially with her.

    I am of the opinion that the 10 rating is useless. Yeah, so the next Paulina Porizkova is out there. Let’s not waste our time looking for her, or saving a spot on the rating chart for her. Giving a non-Paulina girl a 10 is dangerous. Just that sort of mindset is given women *way* too much power.

    9 is as high as it goes, fellas.

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  231. on August 20, 2010 at 8:39 pm Ambiguous Point

    Well Doug1 must have hit some nerve since he has a blog post ulteriorly devoted to him.

    I don’t think an entire blog post defending yourself is going to make you look more credible. But if you were writing for the sake of writing I guess I can forgive that.

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  232. I read the whole story and then see that she’s not white. That changes things. A lot of white guys will not marry a non white. By the way, I’m sure if they ever passed that nude negro law thing, she’d have to get nude.

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  233. In US and A, I trade her for 50 gallons insecticide.

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  234. “But based on your looks, it is more likely that you will begin dating the CTO only to either…”
    Chateau, I think you based everything on looks too much.

    Also, after reading your earlier post Dating Doesn’t Have to Be a Chore, I have always think of you as more gentle and romantic than the person you appear to be. But now I cannot help but feel very sorry for the girl who trusted you so much with her life…

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  235. i would love to see her respond to this post in the comments

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  236. on August 20, 2010 at 9:03 pm gunslingergregi

    I’d hit it.

    she could turn fat within a week.

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  237. @GirlyGirl: “Fortunately for me, I live in a laboratory and will be more likely to marry the science gods than go on a date.”

    Science gods are cool. They actually have interesting stuff to talk about – and they don’t know who celebrities are either.

    Any guy who knows who more than say – 5 current celebrities are? A pop culture buff – SHALLOW (with no clear goals in life, plus they do things like buy TVs and go to movies, yep they pay to drink the kool aid).

    Next!

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  238. Rivelino said “I do not think that was ethical.”

    Whenever I chance to talk to a woman about anything that can be even remotely considered personal, I briefly imagine speaking through a large megaphone. Because in a way that IS what I’m doing – I’m talking to all of her friends at once. Perhaps even to aliens in outer space – if anybody’s out there, they could well be listening to the cell phone frequencies being emitted by our planet.

    Blaming a man for broadcasting something a woman told him in private is like blaming horses for riding on humans. It’s clueless and makes zero sense.

    By the way, that girl looks Puerto Rican and yet she’s moved from California TO New York?

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  239. are leaving because they want to marry betas.

    Wants? No woman wants that, which is why EE women head for other ethncities. Your sentence defeats itself.

    In the US, it is easy to see many EE women with men of substantially different race (black, Arab), but never an EE man with a decent-looking woman from another race (and quite often not from even their own).

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  240. on August 20, 2010 at 9:21 pm Internet nerd mode

    Rivelino-
    I read your blog and felt sad. How old are you?

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  241. This part is priceless:

    “Negatives are that he can be manipulative & critical, and doesn’t socially dominate / lead like some guys I know (was very uncomfortable in one large party situation where he didn’t know anyone & I knew some guy friends from school). ”

    DOESN”T SOCIALLY DOMINATE???????

    WAS UNCOMFORTABLE IN ONE LARGE PARTY SITUATION WHERE HE DIDN”T KNOW ANYONE????????

    Men could not care less about these traits in a woman. In fact, not being socially dominating is a plus in a woman, not a negative. No guy wants to be stuck with a magpie who never shuts her pie-hole up. Uncomfy in a room full of strangers (read: wasn’t socially dominant in a room full of people he didn’t know, and instead politely listened to what others had to say instead of dominating conversations where he had no frame of reference and perhaps no expertise on the subjects at hand).

    The whole thing reminds me of the joke:
    “Did you hear the one about the guy who finally figured women out?”

    “He died laughing before he could tell anyone”.

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  242. on August 20, 2010 at 9:50 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””And, since it seems you have forgotten these little details, I’ll remind you:
    1. My ex-fiancee owns an adult club in Hollywood.
    2. My ex-fiancee was a hardcore swinger.
    3. My ex-fiancee had been with over four hundred woman, probably breaking four-fifty now.
    4. My ex-fiancee wanted an open relationship and constantly pushed me to go out and “have some fun” even though I had no interest.
    5. The weekend we got engaged, he took me to a BDSM/swingers party at some mansion in the valley to “celebrate”.
    6. The reason he never took our relationship seriously, broke up with me three times, and only proposed once I finally left him, was because I wanted monogamy.”””””””””””””””

    Poety you confuse the shit out of me.
    After reading here why would you fucking even think you could get monogomy out of a dude like this. wtf
    You thought it was gonna somehow be fair that you gave him your pussy and took lots of money and he gave you commitment of some of his resources and let you live in his house wasn’t enough?
    You expected him to only fuck you?

    450 is that a lot for the top end guys who actually that is what they want is lots of numbers?
    lol wtf

    I guess money doesn’t change shit. I think for me it will still be good though to just enhance what I already got and give option of traveling around for variety and upping my own personal enjoyment of life.

    “sheds tear that there really is noone to emulate”

    Dude is that life. Just having some bitch like above pictures if your in 500k a year job. I mean wtf. I was walking with a hot macedonian chick in manhatten and people were like daaaammmm.
    But yea I had no money at the time. lol

    What the fuck are men really working so hard for if they don’t even get some reward and sieaze that shit?

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  243. DB….it is good to see you posting on here, my love!

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  244. on August 20, 2010 at 9:56 pm 1987 James Hetfield

    Soul of a woman was created below

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  245. on August 20, 2010 at 9:59 pm gunslingergregi

    Really I think nothing more to prove I mean wtf.

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  246. soul of a woman was created to blow

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  247. on August 20, 2010 at 10:03 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’on August 20, 2010 at 4:30 pm db
    Lol bd I like to maintain a bit of privacy when commenting on random blog posts while still satisfying my attention whoring needs
    ”””””’

    Yea at least db is a quarter hotness he he he

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  248. Obsidian has identified who this girl is. He has not said who, but she is a regular commenter on some other blog Obsidian mentions.

    That narrows it down, so she is definitely reading the comments.

    Girl,

    Can you send over more pictures of your boobs? You might get guys here to rate you higher than a 6 then.

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  249. From J R,
    there’s no reason to hate on this girl. men make the same kinds of brutal calculations when deciding on whether to commit to a woman. how is she going to age? will she get fat? how much better can i do in the looks department?

    This has me thinking.

    Just like how a guy ask these questions, women naturally ask their own questions about if the guy she’s with will be able to provide for them, especially if one wants to be a stay at home mom.

    But yeah she seems fishy. She says she likes the guy (even with the mentioned negatives and the fact that her friends don’t like him) but wonders if she should keep her options open. Sounds like she doesn’t like him as much as she says…..

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  250. on August 20, 2010 at 10:11 pm 1987 James Hetfield

    That said, this whole episode dispels any doubt that the writer here is indeed a sadist. I mean, this chick’s life could very well be ruined. I would bet money on it getting back to her boyfriend, and, unless the above dude is right about EE betaness, her relationship ending.

    Speaking of, does anyone have any advice for hitting on FOB Russian girls, mid-twenties? I met one who works at a Eastern Euro grocery store here in Georgia, and she haunts me. Petite, pretty…thick accent, VERY un-american female no-bullshit attitude. For some reason I think this helps my chances.

    If anyone cares, the context here is that she’s as hot as the two hottest girls Ive ever hooked up with. I’m 26.

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  251. You are all acting like a life ruined as just another spinster with cats weren’t what this selfish being deserves.

    Or that she won’t find a bigger sucker (I suggest going to a rural town filled with fat people)

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  252. Ambiguous Point,

    It’s a combo of him hitting a nerve and me writing just to write.

    The nerve he hit wasn’t the one it would appear to be, I think. I’m not upset at Doug1 about thinking those things of me- he’s going to, that’s the kind of guy he is. I’m upset that it’s another example of someone who I talked with, who read my blog, who read my ex’s spew of hatred and immediately sided with him. Credibility destroyed in a single post. I hate that my ex was able to do that.

    Guns,

    You know, we just started as fuck buddies. Then it progressed emotionally, surprising both of us. He wanted more and more of my time, I wanted more of his, and suddenly we were at this impasse where if we were going to go any further, I would need monogamy. Multiple break ups over the course of a year, I finally realize that I needed to move on, and then, when I started dating my current boyfriend, he decided, hey, she’s getting over me, I’ll compromise on the monogamy bit and propose.

    I never asked him for monogamy, I just told him it was what I wanted for a committed relationship. Never asked him to change. He offered when it became clear he was going to lose me. My error was actually believing he would be able to hold to what he promised.

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  253. @Virgin,

    Are you daft?

    Ask men what makes men’s penises hard. Women just don’t know.

    The penis knows.

    And she’s attractive enough, but not Hot NYC Babe attractive – which is what you need to score the Big Dollars in NYC (because let’s be clear here – this chic’s after moolah, not men).

    We should just call her out on it and re-label her. Properly.

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  254. Obsidian has identified who this girl is. He has not said who, but she is a regular commenter on some other blog Obsidian mentions.

    Well……I think I know who she is as well, and I think Obsidian might have it right. When I first saw the photos, I thought the face looked familiar.

    Something fishy about the entire letter which makes me think either it was contrived or not really her, or this is some kind of test to see the responses because it isn’t consistent with the commenter’s previous writings. One big contradiction is she says she likes sex alot in this letter, but elsewhere claims to be a virgin. Something just doesn’t add up.

    In terms of looks, I really don’t where half you guys are coming from. Starting with the silly notion that 5 is average with half the female population above and half below and assuming a normal distribution, there is no way this girl is a 5 or below. She is clearly above-average. Both the face AND body are AT LEAST slightly above average. She is more “cute” then beautiful and the body is good but not great. She could stand to lose some weight and tighten up. So she isn’t 8+ Which leaves 6-7 depending on your preference. She really isn’t my type physically so I’d say closer to 6 to 6.5.

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  255. on August 20, 2010 at 10:58 pm saving sanity

    Actually roissy does give some very good advice at the end.
    “if you love him, stick to him.”
    the heart knows whats best for you almost always.

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  256. Gorbachev, well, obviously she gets her bf hard he would not be with her.

    If I posted pix of the types of guys that got me hot n bothered you’d probably not see anything in them either.

    Google some of the movers and shakers on Wall Street. Their spouses and partners are not hot.

    This young woman can do very well for herself and I think she is selling herself short by just dating one guy. She needs to cast her net further before getting engaged and see what she can pull. If even just for a few months for the fun of it.

    A 25 year old extroverted, moderately pretty 7 is limiting her options to just 2 guys? What a waste!

    That’s something an introverted geek like me does – not her.

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  257. She’s kind of cute to me. I’d call her a 7

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  258. on August 20, 2010 at 11:14 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Guns,

    You know, we just started as fuck buddies. Then it progressed emotionally, surprising both of us. He wanted more and more of my time, I wanted more of his, and suddenly we were at this impasse where if we were going to go any further, I would need monogamy. Multiple break ups over the course of a year, I finally realize that I needed to move on, and then, when I started dating my current boyfriend, he decided, hey, she’s getting over me, I’ll compromise on the monogamy bit and propose.

    I never asked him for monogamy, I just told him it was what I wanted for a committed relationship. Never asked him to change. He offered when it became clear he was going to lose me. My error was actually believing he would be able to hold to what he promised.
    ””””’
    I don’t know I read what you right and found your mind slightly attractive but when I saw pick there was 0 sexual attraction. So really this dude must of really been in love.
    But yea how would you expect monogamy when your talking about your lifestyle. I mean sure you should be providing monogomy but a guy who has money and options providing it to you?
    Are you insane he he he

    I am kind of glad my bitch fell off the pedastal today so now I get to be a free agent for life and every sob story I hear I will be able to be like hmm interesting really you have that going on and just move on.
    No bitch is worth pedastalizing but it is worth learning about them so that they can’t entrap you with their little bullshit. Woman are pretty much just crap they can provide comfort in life but a man owes them nothing for it. Because the bitches are not doing it out of love but out of need.
    When a man does something nice for a bitch after he already hit it. It is out of kindness and love. When a bitch does same it is from niceness and weakness. So yea pathetic. Fuck hos all of them. They ain’t worth the dust they are made of.

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  259. You guys are harsh on her looks.
    I’d tap it.

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  260. Amazing post. REALLLY good.

    I will bookmark and transpose onto any and every girl I date from now on.

    The dating market is a brutal gladitorial arena – mercy must not be given unless you are Alpha to the power of ten. This post illustrates how even NICE girls seriously would consider cuckolding your sorry ass.

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  261. @PA
    “Zgadzam się z tobą”

    “Ta dziwka jest naprawde paskudna suka z gruba dupa”.

    She could also be any one of the spoiled, bratty Chinese girls that I meet so often here.

    This was an eye-opener.

    The subtext for guys learning game here is that even if a girl has a boyfriend, tells you she has a boyfriend, the fact she’s talking to you, giving you IOI’s and responding to your game means her telling you about her bf is a big shit-test.

    It’s really irrelevant because if she’s like the girl in this post, she’s pining away for some fantasy guy or is ripe for being gamed if you can use the boyfriend destroyer techniques.

    Something I think would work on this girl if you met her out somewhere:

    Her: But I have a boyfriend.

    You: Maybe you should call him, some guys get really jealous and insecure when their girlfriends talk to hot guys….

    Her: So you think you’re a hot guy?

    You: You think I’m a hot guy or you wouldn’t be about to buy me a drink would you?

    Her: hahaha brushing hair, wide eyes…

    That would be all that it would likely take to move from A3 to C1 in the Mystery Method.

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  262. on August 20, 2010 at 11:50 pm Ambiguous Point

    @ Poetry of Flesh,

    “I’m upset that it’s another example of someone who I talked with, who read my blog, who read my ex’s spew of hatred and immediately sided with him. Credibility destroyed in a single post. I hate that my ex was able to do that.”

    Well why don’t you post your side of the story? It’s takes longer for someone on the internet to have credibility, unlike in the real world where you can have people that will automatically say “Oh no, not Poetry of Flesh, she would never do something like that.”

    There has been only one side of the story that’s been shown, what did you expect?

    You can continue standing on top of your pillar professing your innocence but you can’t go on calling yourself a victim if you refuse to set the story straight.

    @ Zunder,

    I agree. The woman isn’t drop dead gorgeous but she is very cute.

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  263. on August 20, 2010 at 11:55 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea that is whole point once you turn off all (heart) of girls they don’t give you shit test they (love) you. lol

    Yea men have value.

    You don’t owe woman shit for anything that is really the key to internalize. They can only get what you give. So just don’t give them your heart and they will love you for it. he he he

    It is a sick world.

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  264. on August 20, 2010 at 11:58 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””Or that she won’t find a bigger sucker (I suggest going to a rural town filled with fat people)”””””

    You know what is funny about that though the bitches working window at macdonalds around the country looking pretty decent.

    I could make a decent pussy living just hitting drive throughs.

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  265. Danican, where did she mention cuckholdry here?

    She’s a chaste and loyal woman – that’s why she’s not stepping out on her boyfriend behind his back. She’s weighing her options BEFORE even making a move.

    Someone of her good looks and extroversion could be stepping out nightly on her man, but she’s not.

    For gods’ sake – she’s not even engaged to the dude, what to speak of married.

    You’re paranoid.

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  266. on August 21, 2010 at 12:02 am gunslingergregi

    wala

    How bout tell her let me hit it before you eat a donut next week and blow up.

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