Gay Face Is Real

From the CH archives, an observation that gay men have something strangely distinctive about their faces,

There is such a thing as a “gay face”. Hard to describe, but you know it when you see it. Think big bright feminine eyes, full lips, and an all-around glow.

As usual, CH was ahead of the cultural curve. A new study supports the stereotype of a “gay face”.

Shape Differences Between the Faces of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men.

Previous studies have shown that homosexual men differ from heterosexual men in several somatic traits and lay people accurately attribute sexual orientation based on facial images. Thus, we may predict that morphological differences between faces of homosexual and heterosexual individuals can cue to sexual orientation. The main aim of this study was to test for possible differences in facial shape between heterosexual and homosexual men. Further, we tested whether self-reported sexual orientation correlated with sexual orientation and masculinity-femininity attributed from facial images by independent raters. In Study 1, we used geometric morphometrics to test for differences in facial shape between homosexual and heterosexual men. The analysis revealed significant shape differences in faces of heterosexual and homosexual men. Homosexual men showed relatively wider and shorter faces, smaller and shorter noses, and rather massive and more rounded jaws, resulting in a mosaic of both feminine and masculine features. In Study 2, we tested the accuracy of sexual orientation judgment from standardized facial photos which were assessed by 80 independent raters. Binary logistic regression showed no effect of attributed sexual orientation on self-reported sexual orientation. However, homosexual men were rated as more masculine than heterosexual men, which may explain the misjudgment of sexual orientation. Thus, our results showed that differences in facial morphology of homosexual and heterosexual men do not simply mirror variation in femininity, and the stereotypic association of feminine looking men as homosexual may confound judgments of sexual orientation.

Asscinating! Gay face definitely has feminine features (the small noses and childlishly expressive eyes) but they appear to be set against a backdrop of more masculine features, like a big jaw. One can only speculate how this discrepancy came to evolve, but if a combination of a gay germ and chimerism is responsible for full-blown gheyity, then it’s possible that whatever neural rearrangement molds the gay brain also leeches into facial morphology, resulting in mixed feminine and masculine traits.

I wonder what that huge… iconoclast… Andrew Sullivan thinks of this news? At first, I bet he would leap in his loafers, his burly bear arms outstretched to the skies, overjoyed that more evidence suggests his condition is biological and immutable. But biology is a dangerous ally for the leftoid flamer. Imagine a gay germ is discovered. Does he doubt parents, even squishy liberal SWPL parents who read his dull blog, would avail themselves of a remedy? If so, I have news for him. Should a “cure” for gayness ever be found, that will mean the extinction of homosexuality as we know it.





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  1. Gayface is like Downs Syndrome Face. You know it when you see it.

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    • absolutely. and it’s going to be aborted about as much as downs is once it’s nailed down in utero.

      i literally described this to an ex as ‘squished’ last month and she acted all swpl-surprised like ‘no i have never noticed any difference’. man it pissed me off.

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      • I do think that if they could screen for gayness in utero, there will be many abortions, but it won’t be aborted as much as down syndrome. Only because gayness isn’t nearly as debilitating as down syndrome.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 8:34 pm Ed the Department Head

        I think that if and when homosexuals are identifiable in the womb, virtually all heterosexual couples (except possibly wacky Christians) will abort the gay offspring. When this starts to happen, the MSM and the gay community will launch a failed effort to vilify such a practice but the public, including the SWPL, will simply ignore them. As already mentioned, in the next couple decades following such a discovery it might only be really hardcore pro-life Christians who carry homosexuals to term.

        However looking at the following I don’t rule out that eventually children could be born deliberately homosexual: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/maybe-its-just-me/201102/selecting-deafness-in-children
        Many deaf couples feel they are a unique subset of humanity and deliberately want deaf children to continue their gradual emergence as a separate group. If gays want to have offspring in the future they might be able to use artificial eggs developed from one of the partner’s stem cells (SEE here: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/artificial-egg-cells-used-to-produce-offspring-8198208.html ) and then do what heterosexual Toban Morrison did and hire a surrogate (SEE here: http://www.thestar.com/life/health_wellness/2011/08/12/single_man_wanted_a_child_hired_a_surrogate_had_a_baby.html ) .

        They then could try to deliberately create homosexual offspring and raise them in the manner of deaf people who want deaf people. This could become perhaps popular with homosexuals in the future if an artificial womb is achieved. With the separate production of gay kids (gaybies?), gays would then be totally separate from normal people who would have stopped producing their kind.

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  2. If HBD gaydom is added to the reactionary dictionary, how does this play out with acknowledging the other population aggregate differences? What does reaction plan to do with HBD in general? Separate but equal? I’ve never seen a clear pragmatic plan for it all, as HBD doesn’t change my idealistic meritocracy anyway. Does it have to do with how populations can’t cooperate on meritocracy and need cultural and geneit homogeneity as well?

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    • genetic *

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    • on November 8, 2013 at 7:21 am Spoos in August

      The problem is that multi-ethnic and multi-lingual societies have a serious lack of social trust.

      Kipling said it best:
      The Stranger within my gate,
      He may be true or kind,
      But he does not talk my talk–
      I cannot feel his mind.
      I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
      But not the soul behind.
      The men of my own stock,
      They may do ill or well,
      But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
      They are used to the lies I tell;
      And we do not need interpreters
      When we go to buy or sell.

      The Stranger within my gates,
      He may be evil or good,
      But I cannot tell what powers control–
      What reasons sway his mood;
      Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
      Shall repossess his blood.

      The men of my own stock,
      Bitter bad they may be,
      But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
      And see the things I see;
      And whatever I think of them and their likes
      They think of the likes of me.

      This was my father’s belief
      And this is also mine:
      Let the corn be all one sheaf–
      And the grapes be all one vine,
      Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
      By bitter bread and wine.

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      • Thanks, I didn’t expect a poem, but you basically said what I thought. I don’t have a problem with reaction in terms of its fundamentals, but it has a serious problem of not knowing where the rubber meets the road: It seems most of the movement thinks society will ‘naturally’ adopt it as society collapses (so sayeth all disgruntled, unmainstream philosophies IMO).

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      • on November 8, 2013 at 3:39 pm Spoos in August

        People, left to their own devices, generally do self-segregate. It’s just, that, past a certain point, instead of being benign, like Little Italy and Chinatown, it’s more like the Balkans. The key battle to win would be preventing another round of amnesty; that’s the populist political opportunity of the century in America, c.f. the recent success of nationalist parties in Europe.

        Many reactionary ideas are more humane than their progressive competitors; for example, welfare is incredibly destructive to social mobility. By making it easier to stay on the dole than to claw one’s way out of poverty, we have created a permanent underclass. One that, broadly speaking, has too much time preference and too little intelligence to realize how it’s being used.

        Not, mind you, that the SWPLs are much better. They’ve been snookered into a vicious spiral of status-whoring that serves the elites very well. They can’t see past the social disapprobation to find the truth, in part because they are very risk-averse.

        The answer, as always, is to build a critical mass of disaffected young men, and force change. Whether it will be a restoration or a bloody revolution is largely on the gods of the copybook headings.

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      • Also, though, what are the ideal governmental policies (besides benevolent monarchy)? Is it a meritocracy, or a gradient of it?

        How does a reactionary government treat a young black man in the hood who genuinely works hard and has a IQ of 190? I don’t believe in the movies that white men were holding blacks underwater, I just am genuinely concerned for statistical outliers. Are they simply out of luck?

        Again thanks, it’s hard to get a genuine reactionary to talk about this with someone with a low attention span like mine.

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  3. on November 7, 2013 at 10:15 am North Vinlander

    Am I banned from commenting here?

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  4. Now CH is a homophobe too? The shark can only be jumped so much

    [CH: The truth is beyond the limited scope of your cramped perceptions.]

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    • trolllllll

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    • Yeah, “homophobia” can be the only explanation for pointing out the facts of the negative effects of a gay lifestyle. And pointing out the reality that the mind-boggling hypocracy of the leftoids is certainly homophobia. Let’s face it, the leftoids are the most homophobic and the most racist. Period.

      And since they fully buy into the rabbit mindset (I must conform I must conform I must conform or I will be cast out of the rabbit warren), they experience great guilt over their conflict between their deepest thoughts and their conformist surface feelings.

      Giving rise to shaming language. Which is decreasing in usefulness as the red pill gets more exposure.

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 11:14 am Diogenes the Cynic

      Please use the proper nomenclature: Homosexualphobia.

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    • meh, when you ladies are standing on your heads you all look like sisters.

      whats your name honey?

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    • is anonymous a heterophobe?

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    • Wait. Liberals tell me that it’s homophobic to think homosexuality isn’t genetic. Well, what is it?

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  5. I think that study of the shapes of faces was a big deal until very recent times. The loss of it is just another example of our cultural regression

    It is much bigger than this post. The character of a person is in her face..

    [CH: it’s a good bet that any astute school of thought “debunked” by a raving contingent of leftoids will eventually see a resurgence in respectability and relevancy.]

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 10:32 am North Vinlander

      You’re exactly right. It’s great for science to study these things, but we can sense them instinctively pretty well either way.

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      • Instincts are racist and sexist. Leftoids really don’t get this. I’ve actually been in arguments where people don’t believe men are stronger and faster than women and just because something has never been done before doesn’t mean it can’t (I’m talking biology here, not advances in science)

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 1:10 pm North Vinlander

        I’m sure they know men are stronger, but they’re emotionally invested in their silly ideas. That’s why they can’t be reasoned with.

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      • Anytime a womyn claims women are just as strong as men, immediately drop your elbow to the table and challenge her to arm wrestle. If she actually agrees to this, when during the match she absostutely is unable to make your arm even budge (which, if you have any sac, should be the case), look her in the eye and, grinning the whole time, slowly draw your clasped hands to your lips and kiss the back of her hand. Then drop her hand. I guarantee she’ll blush. Works every time.

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    • it’s pretty sad how shallow my modern education has been, even including university. just perusing books more than about 50 years old, i’m constantly surprised at exactly how much of behavior they had nailed down when they could actually talk about their observations.

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    • Physiognomy is also a lot of fun to say.

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  6. Am I banned from commenting here?

    I may be alone on this, but that question deserves to be the comment of the week.

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  7. I’ve seen this debate play out before. It turns out there is a type of abortion pro-choicers don’t approve of choice for and it’s supergay fetuses.

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      • You guys are joking here, but stop to think what it would mean if this really did prove to be true: The Left would be literally – not figuratively, not metaphorically, not in any way abstractly – but LITERALLY committed to waging genocide upon its opponents.

        Sailer had a post on this the other day:

        “When given the scenario about killing Chip to save 100 Harlemites, conservatives were no more or less likely to agree it’s the right thing to do than when told to ponder killing the man with the cornerback’s name to save 100 classical musicians.

        In striking contrast, liberal students displayed greater bloodthirstiness when presented with the scenario that gave them an opportunity to kill the WASP to help the blacks.”

        http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/11/throw-whitey-under-trolley.html

        Never forget that these are the very same people who didn’t so much as bat an eyelash at the prospect of murdering 10,000,000 Ukrainians in the Holodomor.

        A family member saw Ezekiel Emanuel on the Sunday Morning talkshows, and said that Emanuel doesn’t so much LOOK like the Devil as he actually IS the Devil.

        Incarnate.

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      • More reason for me to feel justified to call white liberals: TRAITORS.

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  8. Homosexual men showed relatively wider and shorter faces, smaller and shorter noses, and rather massive and more rounded jaws, resulting in a mosaic of both feminine and masculine features.
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    This study is flawed because it cannot account for all the gay men “in the closet”.

    When you read the gay personals ads a surprising number still request: “must be straight looking/straight acting”

    I used to think old white men didn’t smoke weed.

    I got news for you.

    Old white men got the best weed.

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    • I wonder if it also took into consideration the fact that black people are statistically the most likely to be gay.

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      • OK but how do you filter out real gay black men, from those who pretend to be faggots so white men will consider them non threatening?

        A gay black man can get a job guarding white women.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm Reservoir Tip

        Only you, Thwack. Only you.

        The better question to ask is, how many gay black guys are pretending to be straight in order to fit into the hyper-masculine black culture?

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      • This round goes to Reservoir.

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      • Look man, Im not gay, but even I can tell that being a gay black man is much different than being a gay white man.

        There is basically no penalty anymore to coming out as a gay white man. Matter of fact, gay white men dominate several important professions to such a great extent a gay white man can live an entire good income life and never experience mistreatment in the work force.

        In other words, gay white men are first and foremost WHITE MEN.

        And this is still a white mans world.

        Gay black men?

        Don’t make me laugh;

        1. you are already black, so you are born with one strike against you.

        2. Coming out as gay does not turn you into an honorary white person; you are still subject to mistreatment based on color including at the hands of white gay men.

        3. The “cathedral” or the “Frankfort school” has never been able to sell this gay thing to black people; we ain’t buyin it. Its still risky for a black man to come out gay; you will be called a faggot, and you might get punched!

        by your own mother.

        “whatchoo mean you gay? Does dis mean my gran churhrins gon be gay too?

        The entire “down low” phenomenon is due to the fact that black men understand the consequences of being OPENLY gay and therefore “choose” to take wives/girlfriends rather than risk the anger and hurt they would cause their family and friends; in addition to the lack of support they would receive from the black community in general.

        Maybe black people are not “sophisticated enough” to accept and embrace homosexuality like white people do?

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      • Good post. I agree with most of it. Look at Uganda, the shitlilbs like to blame religious whites for ugandan “homophobia”, but I’ve always insisted it’s simply because the africans aren’t clever enough to engage in the silly mental gymnastics one must engage in to convince oneself that homosex is normal.

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      • it aint gay if its on the dl homie.

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      • naw dey jus’ ‘sperimentin’

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      • I can tell when dey gay, ’cause dey be singin’ in de fields.

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    • Did they make sure these guys had no plastic surgery? I mean, gay dudes do look a little too good looking a little too often. Not sure how many of them get jaw implants, but it could be a lot.

      I’m guessing that if they find a gay germ that can infect and turn you post womb exposure, not too many straight guys would get willfully infected. Still, if I were a straight guy and someone found a biological treatment that could turn me gay with no fuss, I think I’d take it. Why deal with the frustration of pining for a sex with far more guarded sexual standards?

      Seems like gay dudes have it the best. No worries about getting it. No worries about declining in attractiveness the second you come into your own as an adult.

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      • Geez, woman… was that a hamster or capybara?

        [CH: there’s nothing quite as annoying as a trollish contrarian who has only flimsy pretexts to support her speculations.]

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      • Where was the speculation there exactly? I see an indication of a potential study confound (and I’m not saying that there is a plastic surgery effect. I don’t know).

        Then there was a value judgment. Now I observe that straight men have a very strong aversion to all things homosexual if those homosexual things involve them. So, my statement says that I think straight men would be unwilling to become gay.

        But I am not a straight man. Hence the straight male aversion to homosexuality is lost on me. The idea of a man penetrating me is not offensive to me, remarkably enough. So, if I estimate what it must be like to be a straight guy vs a gay guy, I am looking at this comparison without a visceral aversion to either state.

        Looks more fun to be a gay dude.

        You have called me a contrarian, however I did not argue against your point that virtually all parents would keep their unborn treated against becoming gay. I only said that if you could choose to be a gay or straight man as an adult, it looks more appealing to be the gay one. Again, it’s a subjective value judgment, not a speculation about something that has a definite objective answer (like whether gayness is genetic or caused by a pathogen interaction).

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      • Looks more fun to be a gay dude.

        In a nutshell, the world according to young cooze.

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      • Women obviously don’t feel as much horror of male homosexuality as straight men do.

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      • I just showed my girl this site and she’s gonna set all you gay ass bitch girls straight when she get the time. See ya on the flip flop pissies.

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    • Got a news flash for you…lots of gays aren’t attracted to the type of gay you see in the San Francisco parades. There is a good chance they want a guy who acts like…a male.

      Hence, why they are gay.

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      • This is the part I have trouble understanding. What you say makes sense, but then why is it so rare to find a masculine gay man? Most gay men are at least a little effeminate.

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      • I suffer the same perplexity about lesbians. If they “don’t like men” why do they spend all their time having sex with women who spend a lot of time and effort to look like men?

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      • And they use strap-ons on each other … but they hate being fucked by men…go figure…

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      • No they don’t. They are jealous; how can they KILL John Holmes when they want to BE John Holmes.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 7:29 pm ProudFeministGirl

        I guess, because most gay men are like women in bodies of men, they can’t help to act effeminate, is like they are a type of women, their object of desire is fellow men, however the only type of men that would love them back ,are gays or bisexuals ,that in many cases are effeminate like them, the ideal would be that a masculine hetero men would give some love to gay men, sinces gays are after all like women inside of men’s bodies

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  9. Gay face is definitely real.
    Look at that one gay kid on the tv show Glee. There was no way that boy was growing up straight. He never even had a chance of being straight.

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  10. Oh, for shame. The liberals won’t like it that BIOLOGY has anything determinative about it when discussing humans…er…I mean…hu-persons…er…hu-people. Wait. Or will they? Oh. I’m so confused by now. Just fire up the gas chambers, will ya?

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  11. If a man and woman enter a room, at the same time, apparently the gay man’s eyes will instinctively go to the man first. With a straight man, he checks out the female first.

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 10:51 am North Vinlander

      I’m going to pay attention to this for the rest of my life. I won’t be able to help it.

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      • Good luck. My eyes will flick rapidly to the female first, of course, but will even faster flick to the man for an instantaneous read on threat/foe calibration. Then back to the female within 0.2 seconds to study her, provided the alarms don’t go off on the male presence. Since I won’t get back to the man for at least 2-3 seconds, my guess is you probably won’t observe the rapid threat eval interval.

        This equation changes if my rapid assessment registers the man as competition, so if you display alpha body language when entering a room, don’t be surprised that even hetero men will eyeball you first.

        And remember the rule about taking advice from women on this blog.

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      • agreed, it’d be tough to make that read on a t1000

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      • I used to stand like that when I was bouncing. Never got into one fight. Everyone I dealt with was cordial except a few and they got shown the exit … nicely. I never had that time to “not be nice”

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      • I once stood like that at a visit to a Doberman-Pitbull-Rottweiler Rescue Shelter… seems like I did nothing BUT fight the [email protected]*(#)~! whole afternoon.

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      • I’ve stood like that since I was a child, when I was anything but a super hero. One difference, I invert my hands, which, while less wrist friendly, is considerably more solid.

        When I went through a period of working inside commision sales (during a period of marriage) I was standing like that having a pleasant chat with my store manager when a woman came up to me and said, “You look like a manager, can I ask you a question?”

        My store manager never stopped by for a pleasant chat after that. In fact, he seemed to avoid me, so I had that going for me, which was nice.

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 10:55 am RappaccinisDaughter

      This is truth.

      More: When a straight man sees a woman—regardless of how old, ugly, inappropriate, it doesn’t matter—his eyes will rapidly track up and down her body, focusing briefly on crotch, hips, waist, and breasts before returning up to her face.

      This isn’t like the gazing some men will do consciously. It’s something he does subconsciously, so it’s very subtle. It happens incredibly quickly; you have to be watching closely even to see it. But it happens. And once you notice it, you’ll be able to see it happening every time you meet a guy.

      Unless he’s gay. Gay guys don’t do it. Those eyes stay right on your face for the first several seconds.

      This, by the way, is part of how my “gaydar” works. I’ve personally quietly logged about five men, who have since come out of the closet, with this technique.

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      • “When a straight man sees a woman—regardless of how old, ugly, inappropriate, it doesn’t matter—his eyes will rapidly track up and down her body, focusing briefly on crotch, hips, waist, and breasts before returning up to her face. ”

        Is this really true? For attractive women, sure… but old women? Heavy women? I’ve never noticed either way but it seems so unlikely.

        [CH: it’s not true. it takes all of a millisecond for a man with healthy vision to determine the general age of a woman. an old woman will not be “looked over”, because she won’t even pass his initial filter for age-affected bangability.]

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      • We pretty much want to nail the ugly ones too.

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      • The source of the homage is always assumed to be known… part of the jest.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 1:23 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        CH: “it takes all of a millisecond”

        That’s the millisecond I’m talking about. It’s really fast, and it’s subconscious. It occupies the same length of time as a microexpression. He’s not checking her out—that IS his initial filter for age-affected bangability.

        Let me see if I can find the study. It came out a few years ago.

        [CH: as a man, lemme tell you straight up, we are not checking out the breasts and crotches of old women. instead, we take instantaneous note of the prune face and the general saggy corporeal element, without specificity to individual body parts. only in younger, fertile women do our eyes graviate to hot zones.]

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      • I just ate lunch outside at a sidewalk cafe. Approximately 150 women passed me during lunch. Approximately 20 of them were bangable. I checked out the ass, boobs, and face and legs of the hot ones. Like CH said, I instantaneously knew not to waste time looking at fat and old ones.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 1:48 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Again, I’m talking about something that happens at a level well below the conscious one. At least, that’s what the study said. Now I can’t find it; just a bunch of stuff about how to evaluate people with traumatic brain injuries. I know it exists, because it made enough of an impression on me that I trained myself to look for the eye-flicker. (It’s like watching a bullet in flight—it’s that fast.)

        However, with no scientific URLs to back me up that men do it to *all* women, I can still maintain most of the original point…that all of the men I’ve caught *not* doing it to me have been gay. And I am seriously not all that good-looking, a 6 or so.

        [CH: if men are checking out the crotches of old women at the nanosecond-long unconscious level, then it doesn’t matter what the men’s intentions, since they can’t control an unconscious autonomous reaction. but that’s a point without a point, because intention matters. and in the world of intention, men are not checking out the breasts and crotches of old women like they do to young women. like i said, as a man i can assure you that old women register only long enough for us to see that she is old and, therefore, unworthy of further examination beyond the most cursory glance to determine her utter lack of arousing features, said glance which operates as more of a holistic assessment than a specific drill-down.

        you will not be replying anymore to this thread because you are obviously caught in an illogic loop of hammering out a stubborn insistence for a theory on a thin pretext that salves your ego and prevents any strategic capitulation.]

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      • CH, now you lost me. RD wasn’t talking about intention or anything else, AFAIK. She was talking about a ‘gaydar’ tell. In this case, intention is not relevant.

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      • If he looks at the woman’s shoes, then you know he is gay…

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      • on November 9, 2013 at 3:10 am Excitement FInalnd

        CH, I think you are over reacting here. Are you having a hang over?

        She has a point about gaydar and she’s saying that hetero males have specific eye movement when they see a woman. The point is not on whether eyes are fixed on crotch or not. The point is that homos don’t have this distinct eye movement pattern.

        Personally I think this is interesting as I feel that I have pretty good gaydar but am unable to pin it to any specific pattern on their behavior.

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    • Lara, if thats true, then how do you account for all the white guys who focus on the black male in interracial sex photos?

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      • They jes’ wondrin’ if’n dat wuz the n1gger, stole dey bike.

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      • By the fact that inter-action is . . . action. Dynamic. Photos are not. Watch video.

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      • on November 7, 2013 at 1:49 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Innate tribalism. They’re focusing on the “threat” rather than the “treat.”

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      • And the threat only exists relative to the treat, i.e., the treat must be identified for there to be any threat to it.

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      • Ok, so you feel threatened by a tribe of mudsharks?

        or by the mud?

        You guys are confusing me.

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      • City fellers may scoff at the idea that mud is a threat, but I’ve lost more than one good boot to the swamp down the holler. Once I thought I was going to have to leave my leg behind. That would have been a pretty high price to pay for one possum that didn’t even taste good.

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      • Read the cuckold fetish post again.

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    • I think the opposite is the case if you’re around violent and dangerous people, say in the illegal drug market or in tribal society.

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  12. Ya know, sometimes you notice something and think you’re crazy….That is, until other people notice it, too. I’ve usually been able to spot gay people by their eyes. There’s just something “different” about them. I’ve wondered if it’s perhaps because they “manscape” their eyebrows and eyelashes, but the look went deeper than that.

    Also add on to this fact the so-called urban legend that the closer in size a man’s index and ring finger are, the less testosterone/more estrogen is in their bodies, and therefore the higher the chance that they’ll be gay.

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 11:37 am RappaccinisDaughter

      That’s not an urban legend. Digit ratio has been pretty well proven. Most lesbians have a masculinized digit ratio. The difference with gay men is that sometimes they have a feminized digit ratio, and sometimes a massively overmasculinized digit ratio.

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  13. LOL the other day I had a job interview, and the guy interviewing me (it was a small business so no HR cunt) had a def gay face, remember Monroe from the 80s sitcom “Too Close for Comfort?”, yeah, like that.

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  14. I’m a homo and unfortunately gay face is very real. I say unfortunately because I find it a complete turnoff and it makes finding a guy I like very, very difficult. In between gay face and effeminate/soft/creepy personality, it’s next to impossible to find a gay guy who’s masculine in a normal, non-artificial masculine way.

    I’m like that. Don’t expect the blog to believe me, but I’m a good-looking masculine guy with not a trace of the gay in my behavior. I’ve told girls before and they just refuse to believe me. Consequently, I’m a very big hit with gays who worship me, but, they turn me off. I’m thinking of charging them money.

    The thing is, masculine gay guys do exist, but they’re not really fully gay, they’re often bisexual, if you want to call them this. Many go out with girls, rarely do anything with guys, and often do so for money. The only satisfying sex I can get with guys is from paying poor straight guys in third world countries where fucking a guy is seen as not as big of a deal. Steve Sailer talks about this.

    The black or Latin alpha is more often bisexual than people want to admit. Maybe CH does a post on this one time. Unfortunately I’m not into black guys but if I were, quite a lot are “downlow” and will get gay for cash.

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    • r’s gonna be r’in!!!

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      • Wat?

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      • in r selected communities based on low quality but plentiful offspring as a response warm climates and plentiful but unstable natural resources, you will necessarily get more lower quality reproductive traits as a function of quantity. plus an intense desire to fuck everything that moves. And I do mean everything.

        wat U talking about, willis?

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      • Interesting theory, could work. Although the peak for predatory bisexuality used to be the Mediterranean and it’s now the Arab world (especially Gulf states) and Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan. The attitude of “a real man will fuck both women and men.” Ancient Romans and Greeks had this attitude too (although modern gays shouldn’t like them; a modern gay would lose voting rights in ancient Athens, you lost all political rights if you got fucked or were effeminate lol). So it could be r-selection, because it’s rampant in subsaharan Africa, but it could be something else too. Guys in South America, which is my favorite place to go look for this (because it’s Med-looking guys who work out) maybe got this attitude from Spain/Portugal, who knows. I’d guess it’s an attitude you used to find among the white working class too, but less so now. Gay world used to run on prostitution: gay guys paying poor straight guys, just read old books written by homos in 19th century or whatever. Now no one is that poor anymore in the Western world. Maybe that’s why gays are for immigration from the turd world lol.

        I can’t really imagine that an effeminate gay guy is happy being with another effeminate gay guy I mean wtf. Makes no sense.

        I’m not complaining about it. If it weren’t for this attitude I could find no one to have sex with. Modern gays do absolutely nothing for me.

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      • every place you named is r.

        how many gay K’s you know?

        (northern european, scandinavian, russki etc.)

        and those are the mens men imo. not alot of mythology about homo viking’s ya know?

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      • I’m afraid I know quite a lot of gay K’s as you call them. The only difference is that there’s less “predatory bisexuality” in the northern Euro countries and the US right now among whites, and there’s a very marked division between effeminate gays on one hand and straight guys on the other. You don’t find masculine white gays almost at all. But I’m not sure that’s just because of biology, if you read older books you see that quite a lot of homos used to hire poor straight guys in Euro countries, it’s just that I think that increasing prosperity has a lot to do with why things are this way now.

        But I actually know a lot of gay K’s as you call them, but they’re effeminate. And unfortunately a lot of straight K’s are effeminate these days too. Not in Russia but definitely in Western Europe/Scandi countries and the US. It’s really quite bad, and the SWPL cuckold/faggy type is a north Euro/”K” thing so it’s not good. It’s in the countries with generally more effeminate men that a strict gay/straight divide exists, interestingly enough. That may have something to do with a loss of working class culture.

        Ancient Greeks said the Celts were among the most pederastic nations btw. And the Vikings had the same attitude since you bring it up. The pathics (the effeminate “bottoms”) were looked down on, not homo behavior as such. Let’s also not bring up the British boarding schools.

        I also disagree that highly monogamous ancient Romans and Greeks were r. Not saying there isn’t something to the r/K thing and homo behavior, but it’s a bit more complicated I think. Outside of Bible-influenced lands, homosexual behavior has historically been VERY common. This includes extremely K Japan and China. Pederasty at least, very common to the Orient.

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      • More bullshit “Everyone Was Gay!” agitprop from the Haynes Grazer crowd.

        The punishment the Vikings had for “unmanly” behavior was burial… since it was shameful and should be hidden.

        All other miscreants they just hung from trees and took archery practice upon.

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      • G. Eliot—yes, unmanly behavior was punished. But it was considered unmanly to get fucked, not to fuck. That’s my point…

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      • And your point is bullshit…

        The Vikings didn’t cotton to men fucking men, period… hell, they’d even laugh themselves crooked if you tried to mount an older woman, if young ones were around for the taking.

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      • We have gays telling us Vikings were fudge packers…

        we have blacks telling us there was zero violence in Africa until Europeans set foot there…

        we have some telling us Europeans invented nothing, all had been invented by Muslims or by some black guy who’s idea was stolen from him…

        these are simply different versions of the same symptom of the same mental disease,

        Bashing whitey and/or Western Civilization and/or blaming whitey or Western Civilization for everything bad in this world and/or refusing to give whitey or Western Civilization credit for anything good is a mental disease similar to Bush derangement syndrome…

        Didn’t they try, a few years ago, to make us believe Honest Abe Lincoln was gay ?

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 11:57 am RappaccinisDaughter

      I believe you. I have a couple of very straight-acting, straight-looking, masculine gay friends. They both identify as fully gay, not bi, but both of them admit to having gone through a “denial” phase in their teens and early twenties when they only dated women. They both say that they felt romantic love for the women in question, and still care about them, but the sex was a chore for them.

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      • Yes masculine-looking and -acting gays exist but the stereotypes are true in well over 90% of the gays unfortunately. I’d like that not to be the case but it is. As for doing women, it might not just be a chore. Girls like me, and I get offers. I accept because gays turn me off so much that I’d be pretty much celibate if I was trying to be totally gay. Many homos will fuck women too, despite what team gay rights wants you to believe. And it’s not just about “self-denial,” many homos like me are just pervs. It’s a matter of convenience too. If you look good, act masculine, and girls like you or you get offers, and most gays do nothing for you, are you really going to turn down stuff just because you want to be “true to yourself.” Don’t even know what that means. I tell these girls what I am but they just seem not to hear it.

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      • Most gays are hypersexual and will fuck anything. There’s a reason why it was considered an antisocial disorder for thousands of years. Whether it’s simply mental illness or anything else it should be mitigated with extreme prejudice.

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    • Bisexual men: Giving HIV to straight women since 1980

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      • Don’t ever trust your woman going out alone with her gay friend; most gay men are bisexual and are horny perv and they will do your woman if they can.

        the gay friend is not safe as far as cheating is concerned and not safe as far as transmitting HIV/AIDS is concerned

        This is not homophobia, it is being a realist in light of the facts.

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    • i tend to believe you, but i’m a bit suspect because, as we all know, marcel proust does not deserve to have fans.

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      • Proust is a great writer u mad? His book is also a condemnation of homosexuality. Don’t expect illiterate leftist clunkers to understand that.

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      • nah, i’m just joshin’ (mostly). i like to pretend i’m well-read, but, even still, i’ve never been able to strongly identify with proust’s prose. just doesn’t resonate with me, for whatever reason.

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      • PS wasn’t directed at you, but you’re wrong about Proust

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    • This is one of those little idiosyncrasies of LGBT/queer communities that I find sort of interesting. Like, even in same-sex attraction, there’s still that desire for the standard hetero emotional/physical make-up, which most gay people do not embody at all (and who some vengefully reject). I have the same problem with women; I’m bi, but I’ve all but given up trying to find another female who isn’t sliding into “I don’t give a shit about my appearance or personality” lesbian territory. It’s repulsive.

      It almost seems to me that the segregation of sexual orientation/activity/lifestyle in the West means that it’s only the truly odd people who end up being comfortable in culture that’s developed. (the current definition we’ve got of “orientation” only goes back to 1890s France; before that, you fucked what you fucked and nobody placed any significant meaning on it as part of your identity.)

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      • but I’ve all but given up trying to find another female who isn’t sliding into “I don’t give a shit about my appearance or personality” lesbian territory. It’s repulsive.

        I think English-speaking women in general have that problem.

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      • Yeah, it’s annoying. Like, I keep myself thin and pretty, I expect that out of a partner, too, and it pisses the fat girls off that you don’t love them for their personalities, or whatever.

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      • Well, are you looking for casual sex or a relationship? My (completely unscientific) theory is that many, if not most, women are bisexual or at least bicurious. But… the number of women actually willing to live it out in the open in a relationship will probably be less.

        Although… as my bisexual female friend once said to me: “Who cares? I may want to have sex with women, but I definitely don’t want to be in a relationship with one.” Lol.

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      • I may want to have sex with women, but I definitely don’t want to be in a relationship with one

        Haha, yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings on it as well, actually. But I’m late-twenties, and I’m pretty much at the point where choices need to be made about relationships vs ONSs. Finding another non-atheist, non-liberal, not-fat bi woman (or a lesbian who’s okay with her partner being into guy too) is pretty much impossible. No point in pining after an LTR. (and while I’ve never done it myself, I hear breaking in a straight girl is an exhausting experience)

        The ones who are comfortable with living it out in the open are the ones who are willing to be a part of the “culture.” Self-selects for the crazies, unfortunately.

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      • Exhibit #1,239.438 of why freedom failed.

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      • “Self-selects for the crazies, unfortunately.”

        I’ve gotta tell you, this is exactly what I have observed.

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    • on November 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm Half Canadian

      I thought gay men weren’t supposed to be attracted to straight guys?
      At least, that’s what I was told when people complained about teh gays showering with their classmates.

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  15. This study is flawed because it cannot account for all the gay men “in the closet”.

    Aaaahhhh, Obama’s America! There is always some minority worth protecting. Now it is g/ay faced ga/ys who are still in the closet.

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  16. There is a gay gene it has been discovered over 5 years ago. There are several doctors and geneticists who have clinics where they can modify fertilized embryos for eye and hair color. As they continued to work on modifying height and skin tone it became apparent that they could also possibly modify sexual orientation. The PC reaction was not pretty.

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    • I don’t know what the PC reaction was, but it seems like the “born this way” crowd would get behind it. This is a subject of study and discussion in evolutionary biology classes at the university level in the United States all the time, so it hasn’t been buried.

      There certainly is evidence that genetics may play a role in homosexuality, but the evidence for a single “gay gene” is less than established. Since sexuality in practice seems to exist on a sliding scale it is more likely that biological homosexuality is a polygenic trait. That is to say that it may be caused by more than one gene (much like hair color and flesh tone). It may also be caused by certain combinations of genes, accounting for the spectrum of sexuality and sexual identity.

      [CH: click the included link in the post. it goes into why a gay *gene* is unlikely as a source, but a gay *germ* is very possible.]

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      • You are correct in your statement on it being polygenic, they also discovered phenotypic expression varied from extremely feminine gays to bisexual men. Expression in women was far more varied and included women who should be lesbians, but were living in heterosexual relationships. The primary factor in the sexual orientation of men born to a married couple was the birth order of the man, with second and third children more likely to be homosexual(this only held true for male children not female children). The research also held that men who reproduced after the age of 45 were more likely to have gay male offspring. Very soon you will be able to determine your child’s sex, height, eye color, skin tone, facial structure and muscular development while also preventing deleterious mutations, genetic disorders and male pattern baldness. This will cost less than $5,000 and be widely available to all. When everyone is tall, attractive and healthy will we still need game? Just a thought.

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      • “The primary factor in the sexual orientation of men born to a married couple was the birth order of the man, with second and third children more likely to be homosexual(this only held true for male children not female children). The research also held that men who reproduced after the age of 45 were more likely to have gay male offspring.”

        Now that you mention it, I remember reading a study about that. Fascinating stuff.

        And as per CH’s comments above: I’m far less familiar with the “gay germ” theory than I am the “gay gene” theory. I’d have to do a bit more background research on the subject before I commented any further on that.

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      • on November 8, 2013 at 7:44 am The Burninator

        Yes, we will still need game. Being tall, healthy and attractive will become normal, so we’ll queue off of other traits/factors to determine the new “hot”. For example, cleanliness, weight (more focused than now), style, wit, or whatever. Humans don’t accept stasis very well, we’re born to look for differences, and lacking any will invent some all on our own so that we can all feel like unique little snow flakes.

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  17. OT, but finding the Gay gene will put pressure to ban abortions in the US. We already know that there are sex selection abortions for females which is quietly swept under the rug because they are typically done by ethnics such as Chinese and Indians so the feminists have to be careful in denouncing it. But once the vacuums go after the heart of the future left voting bloc it will be taken more seriously. Things will get very interesting indeed.

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    • ‘entertaining’ is the word i use. the patchwork of regulations will be fantastic while they just continue to scream about women’s rights to their bodies, etc. can’t wait!

      it’ll also be great when men can get dna results pre-birth and jump ship.

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    • Women are a much larger voting bloc and interest group than homosexuals, and the backbone of leftism. I imagine the “right to choose” will trump all in this debate.

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      • Heh.

        Remember: the very first time a man went along with what a woman wanted, they got booted out of the Garden of Eden.

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  18. I wonder if it also took into consideration the fact that black people are statistically the most likely to be gay

    How I wished to be at home, instead of at work, to answer this

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  19. My wife and I had a child about 3 years ago. When she was having an amniocentesis we were asked to be part of a trial. Rather than jabbing a big needle into the woman’s womb they were hoping to be able to develop a simple blood test. In the future it will be very cheap, easy, and unobtrusive to know all the genetic flaws in a fetus.

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  20. Broad, short face, small nose, big jaw? Well shit, I thought I just looked Scandinavian.

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    • Lots of homo scandies out there. And even among the normals, Danish women tend to look and act like bulldykes, and Swedish men tend to look like flamers.

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      • That must be it then, fuckin moron

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      • Dude… I applaud your disgust with faggotry, but those countries were after all among the very first in the world to legalize “gay marriage”.

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      • Just coming to terms with the fact that I must be a homo now because I have facial features that were associated with aggressive and violent behavior a few weeks ago. It’s hard to keep up.

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      • That’s only because there was a clothing shortage and people needed to double their wardrobes by any means necessary.

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  21. Elmer, having some dribblings of Scandinavian blood, has a long narrow face, big nose, and angular jaw. A furrowed brow and eternal smirk completes the ensemble.

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    • I’m a quarter Swedish, get told I look it all the time. At least I got the caveman browridge instead of big gay eyes.

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  22. Heartiste, I’m a gay guy and I’m a huge fan of your blog. Why? You have a razor sharp wit, something we homos can appreciate. People shouldn’t get offended so easily. The only time I get butthurt is after long night of crystal meth fueled butthex lzoollzlzozozzlzlz

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    • Doesn’t crystal meth make your dick shrink, among other nasty side-effects?

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      • I was kidding about the meth, which at this point is very stigmatized among the gays anyway. It’s a disgusting, low class drug. I tried it once and it was awful. And yeah it does give you “crystal dick.” I’m not sure how anyone actually has sex while they are on it.

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  23. The black or Latin alpha is more often bisexual than people want to admit. Maybe CH does a post on this one time

    True

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  24. I actually doubt there’s a gay gene, let alone a gay face. I tend to believe the Robin Wright theory in “Sperm Wars” that a gene for exclusive homosexual attraction/behavior woudl select itself out in one generation, and that homosexuality is a byproduct (maybe epigenetic) of a genetic disposition toward promiscuity. Nurture obviously has a fair amount to do with it, despite the “made that way” protestations.

    The idea that, in sexual behaviors, standard male/female roles of the type that were viewed as natural for centuries are now suddenly “social constructs”, whereas homosexuality, not so long ago viewed widely as a mental illness, is suddenly 100% genetic. It’s like a thin, rickety veneer of pseudoscience dressing up the current social prejudices of the liberal elite.

    There;s also the fact that very strong taboos against (mainly male) homosexuality exist/existed in virtually every major civliization, with breakdowns occurring mainly during times of social decadence and collapse (late Rome, Weimar Berlin, present day).

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    • There;s also the fact that very strong taboos against (mainly male) homosexuality exist/existed in virtually every major civliization, with breakdowns occurring mainly during times of social decadence and collapse (late Rome, Weimar Berlin, present day).

      It’s almost like all of those civilizations noticed that dudes who let other dudes stick their dicks in them have shorter life expectancy,are more likely to suffer from depression, are more likely to commit suicide, and are at a much greater risk for diseases. Gay people shouldn’t be mocked for something out of their control but it certainly shouldn’t be celebrated.

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      • Gay people shouldn’t be mocked for something out of their control but it certainly shouldn’t be celebrated.

        Being attracted to men used to be considered a paraphilia, like an urge to screw sheep or dead bodies — something that one might have and suffer from, but certainly shouldn’t be indulged in.

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      • That was before they became a voting bloc.

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      • They’re only 2% of the population. The problem came when they became the pets of the libtard voting bloc.

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      • I know exactly what you mean. Homosexuality is based on behavior, how you act on whatever urges you may have. People with an extra Y chromosome are aggressive and may want to punch people over the course of the day. Just because there’s a marker for it, that doesn’t make the behavior ok.

        The other think is that homosexuality, like a lot of other deviant behaviors, is strongly correlated with nurture instead of nature. There’s no stripper gene, but a girl’s relationship with her Dad definitely has something to do with that career choice. So it goes with homosexuals.

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    • Homosexuality is like autism and schizophrenia: A few autism/schizo/homo genes have benefits, but too many is bad. If you have two nerdy or creative parents they may give birth to an autistic or schizophrenic child, because the child got too many autism or schizophrenia genes. There’s no way for evolution to handle this, and it may be the same for homosexuality.

      Gay men do seem to have certain adaptive traits, because mixing feminine traits with masculine traits can be quite seductive for women, so a little bit of gayness is alright, too much is maladaptive because you won’t reproduce.

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      • Homosexuality is like autism and schizophrenia…

        But with a dense and creamy consistency?

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      • Agreed. It has been said that lesbians often come from fathers who are really masculine manly alpha men and gays often come from mothers who are superfeminine nymphos. Hypermasculinity helps a man reproduce more but may turn his daughters into butch lesbians. Hyperfemininity helps a woman reproduce more but may turn her sons into effeminate gays.

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  25. This is total nonsense! Sure I believe that gay dudes have a distinct look, and most of us can spot a gay man by a certain look, but it isn’t anything tangible but his aura and visage.

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  26. Hey CH. if this interests you, check this out: http://www.faceclues.com/Subjects.htm

    Lot’s of personality traits show up on the face.

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  27. And here I always looked for hormonally altered somatic traits in the crotch area.

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  28. How Do Brains Get Gender? well…. http://www.viewzone.com/homosexual.html

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  29. Ann Coulter has suggested to gays they should be anti-abortion because straight parents would abort if a gay gene were discovered, and a test developed to id fetues with the gene.

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  30. Homosexuality is white man’s disease.

    its gene/genes developed as an adaptive mechanism to lower/control population where food/resources where scarce.

    It likely developed in the caves of Europe where the genetic recessive Neanderthal hybrids dwelled during the ice age. – hostile environment, little food, – growing population is not a good thing.

    Homosexuality, like pedophilia, and bestiality are most prominent amongst these populations (and other types of weird sex) because they served a purpose in antiquity to reduce/control population

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    • Nonsense, evolution doesn’t work in that way; traits are passed down because they most benefit the the fitness of the individual creature in question, not because evolution is some coherent rational thinker that knows what is best for the species.

      Site one piece of evidence for this. It’s known that homosexuality is correlated with drug (non-alcohol) use, and whitey doesn’t come anywhere close to being the largest user of drugs (talking as a percentage of their own population).

      http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/drug-use-seven-times-higher-among-gays-8165971.html

      http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/buyers/whoare.html

      As such, I’d venture to guess that Natives and Blacks easily have the largest gay populations as a percentage of their population.

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      • evolution not being a rational coherent entity cognizant of it’s actions doesn’t preclude it from effecting mass evolution on the aggregate, in fact it works on total groups too. Thus you have mass extinctions and die offs. or extensive suicide among eskimos, or radically different species evolving on a coperative model like say in coral reefs and such.

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    • on November 8, 2013 at 7:54 am The Burninator

      The stupid of your post jumped off of the screen and bit me. Just like a moose.

      There is no tangible evidence that there was “neanderthal” hybrids, just speculation with no crisp hard evidence to back it up as of yet, that I’m aware of.

      Second, I find your “white man’s disease” theory laughable, given the high prevalence of homosexuality/bisexuality in black men.

      Sounds to me like you have an axe to grind and a whole lot of troll sauce that you want to pour all over your posts.

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    • Good to see your student loans for that community college Coloured Peoples Studies program weren’t totally wasted… at least you paid attention in class.

      That said, in-tah-Gray-shun ain’t hepped you none.

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  31. “I wonder what … Andrew Sullivan thinks if this news?”

    I dunno … maybe it will temporarily divert him from his envious obsession with Sarah Palin’s uterus….

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  32. not only gay face; you get more at 18:12…http://www.helpfreetheearth.com/news930_obama.html

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  33. “massive and more rounded jaw”

    Unbelievable. I never noticed this, but when I think about gay friends of mine, this is true for probably 8 out of 10 of them.

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  34. “Imagine a gay germ is discovered. Does he doubt parents, even squishy liberal SWPL parents who read his dull blog, would avail themselves of a remedy? If so, I have news for him. Should a “cure” for gayness ever be found, that will mean the extinction of homosexuality as we know it.”

    You seriously underestimate the sheer, mind-blowing fucktardidness of the human animal. And how screwed up a society with so many single mothers can be.

    Snooki quote, “I pray I’ll have a gay little boy some day”.

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  35. […] From the CH archives, an observation that gay men have something strangely distinctive about their faces, There is such a thing as a “gay face”. Hard to describe, but you know it when you see it.  […]

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  36. Andrew Sullivan as leftoid? Looks like a Moderate guy to me, he is a big fan of the skep-con (skeptical conservative) philosopher Michael Oakeshott.

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  37. […] Gay Face Is Real | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  38. This area is right up there with San Francisco and Portland as having the highest percentages of same-sex households. Lesbians can be surprisingly good and interesting conversation partners, gay guys not so much. It often seems as though every millisecond of every day revolves around the fact that they’re gay.
    I disagree with ‘gay face’, they come in a vast variety, from little girl-ish to Hulk Hogan. One thing I’ve noticed is the disproportionately high number of VERY odd couples in Queer Nation. You look at them together and wonder how in the hell those two ever even *met*, never mind hooked up.
    Like some super-jacked gym rat steroid freak with the Cinnabon dough boy, a combination that is exceedingly rare among heterosexuals.
    I do long for the days when the word ‘gay’ meant ‘happy, carefree’ or when the word ‘gay’ was nothing more than a meaningless insult carelessly thrown around a boys’ locker room.

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    • on November 8, 2013 at 9:05 am The Burninator

      Yeah, your observation about some lesbians being good conversationalists is spot on. If they don’t have a Man Hate thing going on and are laid back they’re actually really fun to hang around with and talk to at times. The 18 wheeler trucker type lesbians can be the life of the party sometimes.

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  39. the manlier part of gay face might be signalling the hyper macho side of gays, where they wanna dominate not wee little women but huge gay bears, and thus prove their ultra manliness.

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  40. […] [Gay Face Is Real] […]

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  41. This information, if found, will be suppressed because of it’s wider implications. It would mean the rebirth of Eugenics.

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  42. You don’t even have to look into it too deeply. Men who have perfectly shaped eyebrows (plucked and thinned out) are most likely gay. I’ve met some very professional gay men in professional settings, and even then the flamboyance comes out.

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  43. Its all the endocrine disruptors in the food chain. See our Stolen Future chapter Altered Destinies.

    It could be also be the EMF waves that everyone is exposed to now altering Gene Expression.

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  44. Very interesting study. One thing is that I don’t know that the large rounded jaw is in conflict with other supposedly feminine traits. Women’s jaws seem more often rounded and large in relation to their cheekbones and forehead than with men. So perhaps it is a uniform transformation to the female.

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  45. Male homosexual preference isn’t a disease so it’s not curable. Like hyperglycemia it’s a symptom. If the pathogen is removed and mineral deficiencies restored the preference will go away or fade greatly. In the same manner diabetic hyperglycemia isn’t cured but it can go away if the pancreatic and gut pathogens are removed — which they absolutely can be.

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  46. The paleo doctors and ancestral nutrition practitioners are open about causes of homosexuality in most males. However it is the most toxic subject to speak openly about.

    Unfortunately, anal sex between man and woman is also extremely dangerous due to colonic pathogens, though different pathogens than those afflicting gay men.

    In fact there are countless organisms in the human bioterrain which are transmitted through saliva and sexual fluids. High sex drive men tend to pass parasites of their own. Protozoal and helminth parasites can influence rreward centers to incentivize sexual relations such that cyst/egg seminal transmission in maximized.

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  47. on November 8, 2013 at 7:22 pm Ricky Incognito

    is that martin guy a gay face?

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  48. Homosexuality is weakly to moderately heritable meaning something must be tipping people over the edge – possibly a ‘gay bug’.

    However this suggests not all men with a ‘gay face’ (ie. due to the gene) will display homosexual behaviour and there is the further complication that there may be more than one gene involved due to the absence of homosexuality in Late Pleistocene Appropriate societies. In other words homosexuality may be polygeneous with separate origins in different parts of the world. If this is correct then there may be more than one kind of ‘gay face’.

    On people aborting gay babies, there are people who continue pregnancies knowing the baby has Downs Syndrome but it doesn’t change there’s been a holocaust of them. Something that pro-choice gays might like to reflect upon. Its actually striking how short-sighted some people are.

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  49. Many of the pagan philosophers and Church Fathers mentioned that a man’s sins, over time, became written on the face. Sexual sins especially, they said, could be read on the face, especially in the eyes. I don’t think this is genetic – I actually think that the changing interior of the soul results in a different bearing and a different light in the eyes.

    I knew a kid back in Jr. and Sr. High, who was a masculine looking dude at first. He told me he thought he was gay our freshman year. He started hanging out with some kids in drama, and they all started sucking dick. He was sitting on it, too, by junior year. The guy’s eyes had totally changed. He looked like a girl or a bunny rabbit. Well, we all go off to college, and years later I come back home. Apparently he became Catholic and swore off the gay stuff. He was dating girls. He didn’t have the masculine look he used to have, but the hard-core gay puppy eyes were gone.

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    • on November 12, 2013 at 5:46 pm ProudFeministGirl

      Some of my best friends is bisexual, he now is agnostic, but during a a period of time he was REALLY Christian, guess what? he told me that when he was Christian, he had some wet dreams with men, and he really tried to swore off the gay stuff, but uncounsciously it was always there, he couldn’t control his dreams, he just had wet dreams with men, why? dunno, he was pretty scared when he woke up because fear of god, and he still liked to hug other guys when he was Christian.

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