The IQ War Smears

Via GLPiggy, there’s a big dust-up over IQ and ethnicity again (these things seem to come in cycles, about once every two years), with Andrew “really, it’s not a stereotype that I own a beagle” Sullivan on the side of common sense and hard facts this time, and the denialist tools over at Gawker and, well, just about every other mainstream internet outlet smearing him and guys like Charles Murray as white supremacists.

You can’t make this shit up. Oh wait, yes, you can, because this debate is a fucking broken record at this point. The Left has their creationism, and even if they live their lives as if they don’t believe in it, you will never get them to admit they worship a false idol. Best just to mock and taunt them.

I give this topic little attention because, one, it doesn’t interest me as much as pussy does and, two, the bad faith arguments of the denialists are so egregious and their smear tactics so transparent it’s like trying to reason with a psychopath. You’re wasting your breath and giving him more chances to stick a knife in your back when you’re not looking. The way to handle psychopaths is to isolate and ostracize them, not try to engage them.

Some of them are reachable through triangulation, but why bother? For every one denialist who comes around to a distilled and palatable version of the truth, twenty more verbal prestidigitators pop up like crazed prairie dogs to fill the emoting vacuum left behind by the convert’s exit.

Lest we forget, there’s a reason why emotions run so hot on this issue. Not only does it cut straight to the beating heart of equalist ideology — the predominant ideology, arguably, of the last 150 years in the West — but the ramifications of the subject under debate are huge. The tepid bleatings of putatively diplomatic commentators like this one on Ta-Nehisi’s forum serve as a prime example of what I’m talking about:

Andrew never said that blacks are “inferior” to whites or that whites are “inferior” to Asians. He simply pointed out the fact that Asians, on average, perform better than whites on a certain kind of test, and whites perform better, on average, than blacks on a certain kind of test.

This dismissive hand-waving about “a certain kind of test” reveals more than it conceals. It is meant to assuage egos and smooth the airwaves for sensible, rational discussion on the topic. But egalitarians and the SWPL industrial complex know that these softening words cannot contain the horrible, unrelenting, monstrous truth that stalks every cooing syllable. IQ is FUCKING HUGELY IMPORTANT to your chance to live a happy, successful life filled with wonder and glee and gadgets and crime-free neighborhoods in a modern, technofantastical, information-highwayed, cognitively stratifying first world Western nation.

The enemies of truth know this, and that is why they tirelessly work to shut down any talk about it, and to smear and slander and shun those who would deign to lift the veil of lies for a peek underneath.

Their reasons are obvious, and understandable. But they are still lords of lies. And their time is almost up.





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  1. In the end, it’s all groupthink, and if I align myself with groupthink, I lose.

    The only groupthink I consider is really finite in measure: what do really pretty, slim, sexual, but not psychotic women need, and how does the average male (96% of them) fail her?

    Yes, more of my black friends are lower in IQ than my white friends, who are lower generally than my Asian friends. But I would say I become friends with 1 out of 1000 people I meet. The 999 people, white, black, asian — they’re ALL idiots.

    You, the individual, have 5 minutes (10 tops) to impress me that you’re not a moron. And if you subscribe to any groupthink mentality, you’ve already lost my attention.

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    • It’s inconceivable how all these high IQ scientists (I’m sure they’ve read Orwell) can’t see the irony in using groupthink, to combat lovers of groupthink (liberals).

      I have found traits other than IQ to be as important if not more so to one’s success at any task. IQ is but a slice of the pie.

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      • You’re asking why betas tend to be led by the nose? Really? You do have to take into account that “scientists” and “experts” have always been manipulated and bullied (even intellectually) by overlords to help exact propaganda to the sheep. Case and point: watch how Newt Gingrich manipulates the right. Some men are able to sell anything to just about anyone with any terms at any cost.

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      • Nope. I’m asking why they don’t see the irony. Cuz they don’t.

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  2. on November 30, 2011 at 8:50 pm Todd the Midget

    Sooo…

    IQ: asian > white > black

    Penis Size: black > white > asian

    If you can’t outsmart ’em, grow a bigger wiener.

    If you can’t grow a bigger wiener, outsmart ’em.

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  4. First two comments:

    – “my black friends”
    – blacks are “bigger”

    As Robert Frost said: A liberal is a man who won’t take his own side in a fight.

    A mulatto is one who doesn’t know which side to be on, so defaults to the dark side or opts for individualism. I-think is as evasive as oneworld-think.

    “Lest we forget, there’s a reason why emotions run so hot on this issue.”

    As with women in denial of cheating, where the tenor of denial modulates with whether she has or not, the denial of race differences exhibits the same vehemence of those in flight from reality. Women and liberals are cut from the same cloth. Hence the prevalence of vaginas on the Left. What they think they want is suppression of difference; what they reap is obliteration of peoplehood.

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  5. Cultural marxism demands that their protected groups be free of criticism because criticizing them it’s criticizing cultural marxists.

    Blacks are the new “working class”.

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  6. Charles Murray! Charles Murray! Charles Murray!

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  7. Speaking these truths to the Gawker crowd is like showing a card trick to a chicken.

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  8. ” … but the ramifications of the subject under debate are huge.”

    That is one aspect of this endless war to which not many have given due attention. I saw a comment on some blog, forget where now, unhappily, by a Canadian woman who came on with the usual nanny attitude toward discussing racial disparity, but quickly justified herself by pointing out that if these differences were recognized by some authority and institutionalized — the state telling an entire race they are too dumb for equal opportunity, in essence — the consequences could be truly disastrous. (To avoid the ensuing violent resentment, a will to suppress and ultimately uproot its expression would be crucial.)

    As acknowledgment of this would necessitate a fundamental rewrite and tectonic shift in the character of American society, as a woman in denial cheating dissimulates also to avoid the life-altering consequences of being discovered, we may view denialist vehemence as a big bluff motivated by loss aversion in a civilization-wide .

    All in all, a people lacking the will for hard and great tasks, is a people that will succumb to its evasions and internal contradictions.

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  9. Even if the truth goes mainstream, niggas ain’t going nowhere.
    Just get used to their dumb shit, learn self-defense and carry a fucking gun.

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  10. People like Phillip J.Rushton and Charles Murray are certainly not white supremacists. The research seems pretty clear in regards to differences. I think anyone who’s looked at the numbers must accept that. But then what? What of those of us who didn’t luck out in the genetic lottery? Worldwide average IQ is 90. That’s a lot of people doomed to “unhappy” or “unsuccessful” lives.

    [Heartiste: And people wonder why I don’t believe in god.]

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    • Independent of which “god,” the New Testament Jesus brings salvation to the slave as well as the ruler; so no one is excluded by class or any other somatic basis. The value of a person is established in the purity of his soul which is a far superior, because the soul is infinite and not merely a material fart in eternity.

      In the sense of what it affords to temporal existence is a subject too large for one person or subculture to answer. Even the New Testament gives license to non-Christian superiors to conduct their civic duties for the amelioration of society (Matthew 22, Romans 13). “Christian legislation,” whatever the hell that is, is not a Biblical principle.

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      • And then eternal damnation or paradise is based on that time in which one is an unenlightened “material fart in eternity.”

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 1:36 pm Too Smart To Fail

      The world-wide IQ average is an important point.
      To my understanding, I thought the average was above 100, so let’s grade on a curve and say 90 which should provide the average inhabitant on this planet a fairly good chance at leveraging thier intelligence and applying that to an edeavor that will allow them the opportunity to succeed if they so choose. What we find is, whether in academic or athletic abilities, many choose not to capitalize either through lack of interest, laziness, lack of opportunity, or unfortunate circumstances and never develop themselves to thier full potential. The reason asians are believed to be more intelligent or have higher IQ’s than those of african descent or caucasians, is not because one group is inherently smarter than the other group. It is because interdisciplinary studies show that asians approach solutions to problems from different angles and approaches. They then repeat this approach over and over again so that the fundamental understandings are engrained and retained, expanding from a one-dimentional approach to a 3 dimentional approach. Similiar to how CH and many, many other commenters here add a different a color to the spectrum of understanding.
      Each contribution expands the full understanding of the concepts in disccusion providing a proliferation of the knowledge at hand, as a result, we become more knowledgable of the subject.

      A commenter posted in prior discussion about the 300 year-lag in selection for higher intelligence, and that smarter individuals are not preferred in relation to their brute counterparts.
      First, I’m certain that CH and others here with above average intelligence are not being penalized in the woman dept. for this.
      I would argue the opposite, that intelligence assists one to excel with woman.

      Second,

      http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14868-nerds-rejoice-braininess-boosts-likelihood-of-sex.html

      Somewhere along the line, smart men in an environment where only the smart survive with be desired and preferred.

      Security guard w/low salary: High dominance, Low status
      Handsome scientist w/high salary: High intelligence/leadership, High status

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  11. As different races continue to fuck each other, races mix, these ancient differences fade, and we end up with sexy Brooke Burke types way more often.

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    • That’s only true in western countries. Asians will still exist in Asia, Africans in Africa, but Europeans will become…mixed, aka, Arabs.

      The dream of a monoracial brown/beige world is not happening outside of the West.

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      • on December 1, 2011 at 12:52 am Skeleton Hands

        The “dream” is simply for a world without White people.

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      • A noble dream of the hooked nosed…

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      • You’re just pissed because the “hook nosed” come in smarter than even the Asians. Atleast the Eastern European ones. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

        And, yes, I am an American of Ashkenazi Jewish descent. And politically conservative and race realist to boot.

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      • Well, I am goy from Northern Europe. And it is tough to compete.
        Between about 1000 AD and early 1500s, the Roman Catholic
        church ruled, and insisted that priests could not marry. (Did not always
        work, but that was the rule). Now, in poor farming communities, the
        main road to upward mobility was the church. Thus the smart kids
        did often not breed.

        Meanwhile, the rabbi had five kids and his congregation took
        good care of him. After 500 years, you should expect some effects
        of the eugenics/dysgenics disparity. Of course, Southern Europe
        kept the system all along, although the industrial revolution provided
        other paths to upward mobility, so the effect largely stopped operating.

        So I have to WORK to keep up with my Jewish friends. Tough shit.
        Blame the pope.

        Thor

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      • China is indeed having a huge influx of immigrants from all over the world, White, Black, Latino, Arab, and other Asians are all moving to the new rising superpower, and indeed, fucking Chinese women and mixing up their gene pool.

        Africa, of course, already has plenty of white people there, as well as Arabs, Indians, Asians, and many mixed-race people.

        There is no place that will remain pure in our globalized world. The large cities of the world will of course lead the way, but eventually it filters out to the rest of the populace.

        People like Roosh are making sure that White people spread their seed abroad. Well, if you think Roosh is white.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 1:56 am John Norman Howard

      Paltry, indeed, the world where the absolute height of female beauty is a Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams… and in which there are no Wagners or even Jackie Evanchos.

      Keep your new world of Brazilian cities of God and give me the ancient differences.

      And then avaunt, impious shit-skinned fool.

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      • Europeans are the ones who thrust forth into The Americas, land full of natives, African slaves in tow.

        Europeans are the ones who brought Africans to Brazil.

        If you want the ancient differences, there’s always Belarus.

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 9:36 pm John Norman Howard

        I’m sure you think you have a point here.

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  12. How can a mere social construct affect IQ?

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    • Nothing is a mere social construct. (Nor, perhaps, is anything a mere physical fact.) While race is constructed socially, different racial populations do have different gene frequencies. Which means. Even though race isn’t as cut and clear as “black and white” on a genotypal level–since there is a lot of genetic crossover between the races on the individual level–crude racial categories do capture something statistically substantial. And in this respect, it becomes possible for these crude racial categories to be used to measure a statistically significant difference between two populations that are not essentially distinct from individual to individual–even as they are statistically distinct.

      Similar conundrums find their way into psychiatric research. Nobody really knows what schizophrenia is. Schizophrenics exhibit a wide range of symptomology. Schizophrenia is in a sense a kind of throwaway category. Yet, within this throwaway category, certain behavioral, social, and psychological patterns emerge. Which justify the classification scheme–at least in some sense. Even if, in a better world of psychiatric research, our categories would be more refined and subtle.

      It’s true that social exigencies–which give rise to culture–drive the classification of our two categories in the states (whereas, of course, these do not exist in, say, Brazil). But it is precisely the argument of those who take the side of racial difference–that these social exigencies are not merely historical, but also reflect, to a degree, genuine biological difference. In this sense, even if the categories are socially constructed, they would be constructed, at least partly, according to an everyday experience on the part of the cultural participants of a real statistical difference between the two populations. Though no doubt simple racism and the historical legacy of slavery is a very important driver as well.

      But it is the hobby horse of the Left to lay claim to a stark black-and-white view of race–EITHER socially constructed OR biological. In short, to polarize the debate and shut down rational discussion for ideological purposes. And for anthropology professors, worldwide, to preach this kind of circus. It may, however, be true that this ideology serves an important function. Namely, to maintain (relatively) harmonious racial relations by having white people accept the blame for the economic failures of blacks in the United States. (And in some sense, this is true–whites have oppressed blacks, and continue to do so through legal and institutional racism.) By having white people take the blame and hold their palms forward in peace gesture, the powderkeg of potentially volatile race resentment is soothed. If it ever became mainstream for whites to state the genetic inferiority of blacks in terms of IQ, coexistence in this society would be much more difficult. We have, then, chosen social harmony over the expression of truth, and I think this is the correct, the pragmatic and REALISTIC, choice to make.

      [Heartiste: “race is a social construct” has got to be one of the most idiotic memes the left has ever come up with. Sure, race as a word to describe a real world phenomenon is a socially constructed semantic, but one could say that about every word ever created to describe something real. In the meantime, most people with common sense who aren’t addle-brained academics will be able to tell a black man from a white man.]

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      • “Nothing is pure social construct” etc.

        Nonsense. Water boils at 100°C at atmospheric pressure.
        OK, so the temperature scale is social.
        How about: The attraction between an electron and a
        proton is partly gravitational, mostly electrical.
        The difference in strength is about 10**40. Physical
        fact, our friends at Tau Ceti V will come to the same
        conclusion.

        The pieces of paper with colorful ink and numbers on them
        that we carry in our wallets have value. Pure social construct
        (for as long as it lasts).

        Thor

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 9:44 am View from inside a hot chick

        Indeed (directed at Heartiste’s comment). It’s Zeno’s paradox. If I take away one molecule of a chair, is it still a chair? After how many molecules does it eventually stop being a chair? Words are necessarily imprecise compared with scientific definitions, which are imprecise compared with mathematical definitions, but even those are limited by Goedel’s incompleteness theorem. EVERYTHING is an approximation. Einstein’s famous equation E=MC^2 is missing many insignificant terms to the right, etc.

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm Too Smart To Fail

        @View from inside a chick, a non-scientist claiming she knows science, similar to someone who criticizes religion without understanding it.

        You attack Einstein’s theory of relativity without being a physicist yourself.

        What you failed to mention is that there is ‘Classical Physics’ which Newton is famous for, and there is ‘Quantum physics’ which Einstein elaborates on.

        Your Chair hypothesis is one of Classical and Quantum, and your understanding does not distinguish between the two.

        Since you apparently know what you are talking about, will you continue where I am leaving off, and explain what is missing from E=MC^2?

        Silly girl.

        As Mr. T’s famous quote applies. “I pity the fool!”

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      • Actually, she’s probably the most knowledgeable person to comment here. E = mc^2/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) is one expansion of E = mc^2, which only really applies to a body at rest, and maybe not even then when you begin to break down the physics further. You should check out Godel for some more information on the limitations of our knowledge.

        But really, you guys are some dumb as shit racists if you don’t think for a second that growing up in an impoverished background, with worse schooling and less opportunity to focus on learning will not affect IQ/SAT/ whatever fucking measure of intelligence you choose. There may be some racial differences, but across absolutely VAST populations (wtf do you even mean by asian?) these differences are far outweighed by the real disparities in background between different races in the US. There’s effectively no way to measure any actual racial difference. So why jump to conclusions unless you just want to feel better than a whole class of people.

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 1:45 pm Too Smart To Fail

        Race is a created term by man to distinguish between different population groups that display distinquished physical characteristics.

        As a scientist, I can confirm that from investigational studies on the genetics and molecular biology of humans, ‘race’ does not exist!
        There is only one race, the human race, whether black, white, red, or yellow.

        I pity those that discriminate on basis of color in the absence of character.

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      • Citation, please. I’m a scientist, too.

        No literature reviews or programmatic statements from the American Anthropological Association. Only primary sources.

        Don’t quote that tired quote on intergroup variation either. That doesn’t answer the question.

        Studies? No?

        Didn’t think so.

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  13. Ugh, yes. The most practical consequence of this is that
    (for this reason alone, it suffices, but there are
    others, mainly to do with path dependency) if you observe
    that most high-Q jobs have a disproportionately large number
    of Asians and a disproportionately low number of blacks,
    THIS DOES IN NO WAY PROVE DISCRIMINATION.
    (It of course doesn’t disprove it either, but that’s not
    where the burden of proof lies.)

    And while we are at it, let’s get rid of arguments about
    “disparate impact” as the rotgut it is.

    Interesting question:
    If you control for socioeconomic status, do the disparities in IQ
    go away? (No, I don’t know the answer, and it might depend
    on your methodology.)

    Another, truly ugly (the last two words are personal value-judgements,
    the rest are facts) effect of this is that while a white couple with
    both having IQs of 120, the average IQ of their children will regress
    towards the mean (let’s say by a third) to about 113.

    The average black couple of ditto IQ will have children regressing
    towards a mean of say 85, i.e. 105. This is not an overwhelming
    difference, but it is quite significant.

    I am familiar with a very high-achieving black couple, both
    being professionals and globe-trotters, who have two adult
    daughters (I have met the daughters, not the parents). One is
    (subjectively) at AT LEAST a 125 IQ level, the other probably
    about 80. Sic transit gloria mundi!

    Thor

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    • Go on wikipedia and read about the minnesota twin adoption study. They control for socioeconomic status of adopted parents. Spoiler: the iq gap remains.

      Trying to convince most people of racial differences is a waste of time. Either they believe what their lying eyes are telling them or what the prevailing orthodoxy is. Anyone who can simultaneously argue that diversity is the most important thing ever but race is a social construct is lost to logic and reason.

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    • > If you control for socioeconomic status, do the disparities in IQ
      go away?

      Not with a culture neutral test. Which are harder to construct than you’d imagine, mostly because rich vocabulary is fundamental to many ways of measuring intelligence and lower socioeconomic status severely limits your opportunities to cultivate such.

      However, it’s starting to become fairly apparent that most people’s intelligence isn’t determined by genes directly, including race differentiators; intelligence is almost a straight line function of brain weight to body mass ratio, no matter what your skin tone. Thing is, that brain/mass ratio differs on racial average pretty much exactly in line with all the allegedly racist IQ stereotypes. Funny, that.

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    • OT but hasn’t sic transit gloria mundi been getting a lot of action lately since Berlusconi used the phrase a few weeks ago about Qaddafi getting killed? /OT

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    • I am familiar with a very high-achieving black couple, both
      being professionals and globe-trotters, who have two adult
      daughters (I have met the daughters, not the parents). One is
      (subjectively) at AT LEAST a 125 IQ level, the other probably
      about 80. Sic transit gloria mundi!

      This has a very simple explanation. Daughters’ mother cuckolded her partner with a sexy thuggish drug dealer.

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    • A review of SAT scores shows blacks in the highest income group (100,000 +) have lower scores than whites in the bottom group(20,000-). The daughter with the 125 IQ is in your imagination–alongside your fantasies of having hot sex with her,ya perv!!

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 2:00 am John Norman Howard

        Well, at least the alleged 125 IQ might turn out to be a credit to her race. (insert rolleyes here)

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:23 pm Too Smart To Fail

      As I elaborated before, and CH brought to our attention in the previous post concerning the epidemic proportions of oow single mothers.

      It’s hard to get out of the ghetto once in. It can be done, but the environmental influence and lack of opportunity is an even greater challange.

      I grew up in a predominately black and hispanic metropolitan area where the resources, scholarships, and grants available to this group was made widely available to apply because there was a disproportionate or lack of blacks and hispanics in STEM fields. It was simple, they chose not to accept what was available in favor of not taking their future serioulsy despite what options were available to them. I contested race discrimination against me because the scholarships were offered to african-americans and hispanics, but not caucasions. I obtained multiple scholarships and my tuition/books and education to become a biochemist and chemical engineer was completely paid for. I don’t believe that blacks or hispanics are less intelligent that their caucasion or asian counterparts, their priorities are somewhere else.

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  14. What is it with people pronouncing who is and who isn’t a racist/

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  15. I think what gets people so upset (blacks especially) about topics like this is that the idea that whites are better than blacks has historically been used as a sort of platform for hate against blacks. Not only that but it has been used as a reason to see blacks as less than human (or not human at all) and underneath whites in all ways.

    Look how no one gets up in arms about the belief that Asians are smarter than whites – there’s no type of negative history connected with the idea.

    I think if there wasn’t such a negative history related to the idea of the study, blacks wouldn’t be bothered by it.

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    • Nope. It’s just that anti-racism really means anti-white.

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    • as a sort of platform for hate against blacks.

      Shouldn’t that be as a platform to sell blacks? Such relations do invite one to wonder who has the intellectual advantage.

      Look how no one gets up in arms about the belief that Asians are smarter than whites –

      So smart that China couldn’t fight off Britain, nor Japan America. Twice. The second time, they got the Enola Gay.

      And you really believe “Asians are smarter than whites”?

      blacks wouldn’t be bothered by it.

      The point is not depressing the provident castes by raising the improvident, violent, and plain smelly to the former’s level.

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    • IQ is an abstraction. Blacks are most bothered by their inability to establish and maintain an advanced civilization and blame discrimination and colonialism rather than their own mismanagement. Whitey just reminds them everyday of that failure.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:01 am John Norman Howard

      Actually, black behavior has historically been used as a sort of platform for hate against blacks.

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  16. OK, let me fast forward this thing:

    who should be killed?

    here are some criteria to consider:

    Flat feet

    wear glasses

    Short

    Asthma

    overbite/underbite

    small penis

    acne

    buckteeth

    short legs

    Can’t sing/write poetry…

    I can’t wait for the next Hitler. You crackahs think you got the “complexion for protection” but most of you would get tossed in the trash can.

    BTW– does anyone know what John Lennon’s IQ was?

    How many of you can write a good song?

    How many of you can carve a good statue?

    How many of you can draw or paint a good picture?

    In other words, how many of you (white people) can do something a machine/computer can’t do?

    I thought so.

    You need a shower.

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    • on December 1, 2011 at 1:14 am someguyontheinternet

      butthurt detected

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    • I’m an anarcho-capitalist, firmly against the initiation of the use of force. I have no interest in rounding up stupid people and exterminating them. That kind of state meddling is morally horrific. I despise eugenic policies almost as much as I despise the dysgenic policies we have now.

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    • Homie you seem awfully bent out of shape. No one is asking to exterminate blacks cause their IQ is lower on average. Just want to call a spade a spade.

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    • You crackahs think you got the “complexion for protection” but most of you would get tossed in the trash can.

      You’ve seen a photo of Heinrich Himmler? In bourgeois society, the dorks set discourse, and if they go that way, even decides who lives.

      BTW– does anyone know what John Lennon’s IQ was?

      Cherchez la femme. Optimal choice?

      You need a shower.

      Kaffir projection. Cute.

      You’ll just have to accept that some whiteys are wondering off the reservation of hoodwinked goyim.

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    • I can do all of those things. I have 3 masters degrees too.

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    • “How many of you can write a good song?

      How many of you can carve a good statue?

      How many of you can draw or paint a good picture?

      In other words, how many of you (white people) can do something a machine/computer can’t do?”

      LOL.

      The derp is strong in this one.

      Yes, prancing around making art is the true measure.

      Important, but does not create tangible value.

      But an airplane either flies
      or it doesn’t.

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    • You’re looking forward to the next Hitler? That defines your character even more succinctly than your obsession with race. You want to see white people dead and yet whine that these same people don’t want anything to do with you. Consider that it’s who you are that repels them, not your complexion.

      Music and poetry is NOT the highest form of human endeavor. BTW, where can we see your current artistic exhibit.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:04 am John Norman Howard

      Nigger, please.

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  17. Sadly, some lawyer-blogger at Patterico (ostensibly a conservative website) called “The Bell Curve” and its authors “racist.” Is it possible to play the race card in a discussion about race?

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  18. I was at Starbucks the other day and a Mexican-Whitish guy was talking to a Cross-Eyed Mexican/Arab Female (race does matter in that it’s not always the white female who is liberal) and he said to her “People don’t want to admit that the LSAT does a good job at determining your grades in law school” and she got all Huffy with him….”So your saying that people who are bad at taking tests will get bad grades?” Then they moved aside to get their cappuccino. But her anger was evident…That poor guy!

    Anyways………When I first learned about IQ….I felt really bad about myself. And I think I’m pretty book-smart, yet I still felt inadequate. But then the more I read Steve Sailer and everyone I realized…

    Even if my IQ isn’t 145 or even 130 or even 120….This Knowledge is Very Empowering! Because we all have limits to our intelligence…so if you identify your limits and be honest with yourself…You can work around those limits.

    So what did I do?….I said “Ok…whose the most successful member of my family as far as I can trace (female)?”

    And I switched to that career 🙂 Bingo.

    For me the IQ/gene thing was actually very freeing in that you focus on what you CAN accomplish and build from there (instead of endless failures and unhappiness.)

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    • “For me the IQ/gene thing was actually very freeing in that you focus on what you CAN accomplish and build from there (instead of endless failures and unhappiness.)”

      The world would be a much better place if more people possessed this spirit.

      Intelligence is important, but it is but one factor of many. Plenty of smart people with shitty lives who never made much of themselves.

      An intelligent person can be thought of as like a car with a big engine. They have the potential to go far and to go fast. But they still need fuel, they still need a motivated driver behind the wheel.

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  19. As a young, high-IQ black guy whose family wealth and educational accomplishments likely exceed that of most people on this forum, I’m tired having to constantly prove my self to sheltered, peremptory SWPL douchebags–the type that predominate this blog.

    Living in Austin, I’m all too aware of all the little underhanded, furtive tricks you employ in an attempt to display your unquestioned superiority over everyone else. How you choose to only surround yourself with other white people (who look and act just like you) while consciously avoiding people of color, even when they share common interests. How you just love to bring up race randomly and inappropriately in conversation, followed by the ridiculous, and ubiquitous assertion that your best friend is black–all the while denying any suggestion of racism when your asses get called out.

    It’s hard to know just how many SWPL truly believe in the notion of black cognitive inferiority, but based on my experiences, more than a few clearly harbor feelings of white supremacy.

    I’ll be the first to admit that there is an abundance of scientific evidence to support the notion that, on average, blacks are less intelligent than whites. But don’t be so patronizing as to negate the existence of successful, high-income, secular, above average IQ blacks like myself.

    Somehow we always manage to get left out of this discussion.

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    • on December 1, 2011 at 12:58 am Skeleton Hands

      Why do you think SWPLs predominate here? Do you know what a SWPL is?

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      • MSPort,

        My brother in law is a very smart, highly successful, yet still outgoing and “black” black man. He produces two charming daughters with my sister, who is generously described as a harpy. I like him and his kids, though young, seem smart and well-adjusted. He’s also funny and while no Alpha male, he’s genuinely liked by all.

        His relatives are also smart. His sister is attractive and well-spoken, educated and successful in her chosen career. His brothers are both self-made businessmen with significant assets, neither of them intellectuals, but men of solid moral character and hard-working fathers.

        Not only that, they’re black and somehow, despite the pervasive and all-consuming racism, manage to make their way without difficulty in New England. Their friends are similar.

        So I am the first to acknowledge that there’s a successful class of black Americans who do very well.

        That said, there’s a gargantuan underclass of not just underperforming, but possibly sociopathic black Americans that make it difficult not to see it as a black-white issue.

        My suspicion is that inherent differences in the statistical distribution of various genetic factors *added* to a really trashy and self-destructive culture, acting in a dynamic downward spiral, essentially make racial equality in this country more or less impossible without permanent Nanny State hand-ups to lower-class blacks. We have, in essence, a more criminal, less socially adaptable, less intelligent weight that we have to carry.

        Smart blacks have to carry that weight, too, in addition to being stigmatized by being “black”.

        The stats are hard to deny. You need to be both blind and ideologically zealous not to see it.

        That said, it’s nothing a solid positive eugenics program couldn’t solve in, say, 3-4 generations. By 10 generations there’d be no sign of it. But you need to get rid of dysgenic policies (welfare for women to have multiple babies to thug fathers, for example) and have positive eugenic policies (successful blacks get benefits for having more babies than unsuccessful ones).

        Incidentally, this could skyrocket the average IQ for white people, too. We have our own class of torpid losers, as well, approaching black America levels of general stupidity.

        The problem is that we’re unable to discuss any of these issues openly. On the other hand, places like China have aggressive, ongoing programs that amount of eugenics; they’re literally trying to make Better Chinese People.

        If black America was smart, they could voluntarily lead a movement to get us out of this mess. And their descendants would still be *black*. They’d just be the best of the black community.

        Whites and Asians went through 15,000 of self-domestication that most black peoples of the world (Africa, Oceanea, Polynesia) didn’t have to go through. Left to our own devices, it might take 15,000 years for this to level out.

        But you can breed a tiny dog from a big one in 3 generations if you do it aggressively. You can breed out characteristics you don’t like or are actively antisocial.

        Whatever we want to think about it, ALL SOCIETIES PRACTICE EUGENICS.

        It’s whether or not we *consciously* do so that seems to piss people off. Is there a dating service? That’s going to have a genetic effect on the next generation, is likely not neutral, and no matter how small the effect, it functions in a mildly eugenic capacity. Are you encouraging interbreeding between races? Same deal. Discouraging it? Same deal.

        So, while there are almost certainly differences, happily there’s lots of variation and if we can get over the infantile resistance to consciously acknowledging the natural eugenic tendencies of all social policy and then consciously alter them (without denying civil rights) to encourage positive development of what we value in our gene pool (which is no different from letting it happen passively, in any case), then we can probably alter this situation on the ground.

        But it takes conscious acknowledgment of the problem. It would help if mindless racists got off the podium and let race-realists who weren’t ideological or hopelessly tribal take the stand. But finding blacks – even successful ones – who could acknowledge what appears to be obviously true and is measurable, and then to go on to become sounding boards for others – that would be sterling.

        BTW, this also means whites would have to acknowledge their own dysgenic attitudes.

        The first society to spend 2-3 generations actively engaging in a positive eugenics program will acquire a radical advantage over societies that don’t. Their social costs will be lower, their social cohesion higher, their ability to innovate much higher, their ability to socially adapt much higher – in short, their societies will be far more successful.

        I might point out that China is already doing this. Countries with highly selective immigration policies are doing the same thing. The Nazis would have approved of Canada’s immigration policy in substance: Let in the smart and educated, keep out others. I have no idea how leftists in Canada manage the hypocrisy of their country’s stance on immigration: their policy is crassly, openly, shockingly Eugenic.

        What they’re doing is selecting out the middle-upper classes of the world and inviting them in. I may disagree with the cultural content, but I guarantee you that over 3 generations or so this will have an effect on the average IQ there as compared to the US, with no ability to select immigrants at all, or even stop them from coming.

        It makes source countries on average stupider, and immigrant countries like Canada smarter. In the US, we get the trash of the world (especially Mexico and Latin America) : Were’ making ourselves stupider while we make Mexico smarter.

        Statistics rule us all. Population genetics rule us as firmly as demographics. And demographics are quite literally everything.

        Blacks who are smart and have progressive views would do everyone a favor by being more realistic about race and, while defending their own rights, acknowledging that there’s something that can be done to better the situation for everyone.

        Those opposed to eugenics aren’t really opposed to eugenics. They’re just opposed to being conscious about it.

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      • You mention China as an example of eugenics. It is also an example of why government attempts to manipulate, well pretty much anything, produce huge negative side affects. With the one child policy, they have perhaps reduced the number of imperfect children. Unfortunately, they have also massively unbalanced the sexual ratio of child births. Another bonus is a society of “single child syndrome” where there has been noted an increase in feminine acting men. When men play God they rapidly demonstrate the gulf between the two in wisdom.

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      • Good post. The very western societies most successful at this form of eugenics- Scandinavian ones, are also the ones leading the Equalist charge. Europe did what you say in general, however. It comes naturally to societies that live from farming. Rather than focus on genetics, 19th Europe focused on social cohesion and encouraging and enforcing a more rigid social code than we have today. We need one again. Education was central to this, as well as social hierarchies, and nobility. Nobility is where the eugenics come into play. Nobility really was about breeding superior people who set the example for the rest of society and created the ideal society that would eventually trickle down to the others. Education, social expectations, cultural rituals, etc. go a long way towards improving the general stock. We used to do this and it was patently obvious to everyone why we did it. Cultural Marxism destroys the social fabric of a nation deliberately, so as to prepare it for Communism. That’s really what this underlying philosophy is about, preventing precisely the things you describe. Even if they remain duller,on average, dull people with a good work ethic who go to church, don’t overbreed, and are dutiful citizens, are still very valuable and productive citizens.

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      • lol. He does not.

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      • He’s also funny and while no Alpha male, he’s genuinely liked by all.

        Wonderful. Except he isn’t white. Neither are his bastards.

        Time to untangle the verb “like” from the adjective.

        Smart blacks have to carry that weight, too, in addition to being stigmatized by being “black”.

        No one “stigmatizes” blacks; they are all but apotheosized from every angle in every sphere of public life, despite all everyday experience of their worth to the contrary, — which you know quite well. You are lying about it. Why?

        You, however, are a known anti-white; I quoted you at length on another blog. You actually stigmatize whites, i.e. frame discourse against us. I have a strong suspicion you have an ethnic interest in doing so.

        Tell us why you feel you know better than poor, low-IQ whites who don’t want to live around blacks and be replaced by Mexicans?

        It would help if mindless racists got off the podium and let race-realists who weren’t ideological or hopelessly tribal take the stand.

        In other words, make way for the Gorbachevs. The Emma Wests are scum who don’t deserve to be heard or defended. Sweep ’em under the rug of a comfy eugenics program … offered up by some douchebag with palpable contempt for white people.

        Where have I heard this before? Oh yes, from certain other ‘race-realists’ who are ‘hopelessly tribal’ themselves in rather cryptic fashion …. Is this familiar to you, Gorb?

        Blacks who are smart and have progressive views would do everyone a favor by being more realistic about race and, while defending their own rights, acknowledging that there’s something that can be done to better the situation for everyone.

        But defense of their rights was commandeered by the “hopelessly tribal”, who do a much better job of it than blacks ever did. How do we square this circle, genius? Tell us your plan for white people, which is better for white people than white people defending their own interests. Eugenics, you say?

        In the US, we get the trash of the world (especially Mexico and Latin America) : Were’ making ourselves stupider while we make Mexico smarter.

        You have shifted blame from blacks (whom you personify as your brother-in-law and his bastards) to Latinos. Why? are you afraid to call blacks trash? why haven’t you yet — letting that personal tie come in the way of full disclosure? So instead, COMPLETELY dodge the question and go after Mexicans.

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    • All we’re saying is that you’re not representative of the black community.

      And racism has deep seated biological roots. Being leery or even spiteful against strangers is probably an evolutionary advantage, as it would have been effective in avoiding raids or invasion when humans were still living in the caves.

      I’m not a carrier of that gene, or set of genes, but I understand people who are not race-blind. You just gotta live with it, the more you understand it, the easier it becomes to accept that you’re not being treated as an equal outside your race.

      No need to go sentimental about it, that’s just the way it is, and you do your best with what you’ve got.
      You can’t fight biology with sentimentalism, only feminists were able to pull that off.

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      • It goes both ways naturally. If whites were the minority in a prosperous black dominated country, I guess that they would really, really suffer.

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      • Do point to the “prosperous black dominated country” … and make sure there are no Lebs, Indians or Chinese businessmen keeping things afloat for it, too.

        In the meantime, why don’t you acquaint yourself with reality by reading about the thousands of white African farmers murdered by stupid ravenous kaffirs who think they can feed themselves.

        Maybe put on some U2 while reading. Bono supports black South Africans in their genocide of whites.

        Do you?

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      • I predicted this would happen when Rhodesia went over to SWAPO in 1980. The whites of both nations who thought they could expect advanced government from Blacks of both nations were hopelessly naive. The west even more so. This is why I can’t respect left wing thinking. This trend will reverse itself when white people realize what they’ve done and it may well be very ugly. Bono is a self-righteous douchbag and always was.

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      • on January 11, 2012 at 4:01 pm Nick (in South Africa)

        SWAPO was Angolan and also fought in South West Africa (Namibia). The Black resistance movements in Rhodesia pre 1980 were ZANU PF – Mugabe’s Chinese backed mob and ZAPU – the Soviet backed mob run by Joshua Nkomo.

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    • If you’re wondering why white people patronize you, it’s because affirmative action exists. I don’t understand why you’re trying so hard to race-bait us, though. The sooner the myth of human neurological uniformity is publicly debunked, the sooner that whites will be able to deal with you on a more honest basis.

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    • on December 1, 2011 at 1:21 am someguyontheinternet

      If you get left out the equation, it’s because outliers are not significant to this debate. You want white people to stop bullshitting about how ‘they have lots of black friends,’ so it’s only fair that you stop bullshitting by requiring everyone to mention that, yes, of course there are some statistically anomalous black people with high IQs every time the subject of race and intelligence comes up. It’s not relevant to anything but your ego.

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    • There will of course be exceptions. This study and similar studies speak in terms of averages. Concluding from the data that blacks are, on average, less intelligent than whites is not the same thing as saying every white person is smarter than every single black person on earth. As a black person myself, i don’t feel the need to be defensive. People encounter individuals and not groups, and if you happen to be the exception to the rule, more power to you! Intelligence is something that often has a way of making itself known anyway so there’s no need to feel an urge to go around proving yourself.

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      • As a black person myself, i don’t feel the need to be defensive.

        Your frame is defensive. See what you just did — “averages; doesn’t mean whites are all smarter than each black”. This effectively abstracts an average from its source in the masses. What intelligence statistics purport to show is precisely that more whites are intelligent the majority of blacks.

        Don’t hide your defensiveness. It’s what this is about. Just don’t whine when whitey picks his balls up off the floor and gives you kaffirs a taste of your own medicine. 😉

        If you have a right to your race, we shall have a right to ours — your feelings, and the nerves of the Jews be damned.

        People encounter individuals and not groups,

        Except when a white individual is jumped by a group of blacks, beaten half to death, or raped, mutilated, and burned alive.

        So much for that. Next line of exculpatory bullshit?

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      • You’ve lost your right to be taken at all seriously, yet I’ll humor you. I must say, mate, your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

        if you got a chance to read any of the other replies to MSport, through your seething and pathetic anger, you’d find that there is nothing that I mentioned in my own comment that someone hasn’t mentioned something in their reply to the OC.

        Clearly, my invoking the concept of averages is relevant to the fact that the OC was making an argument from the exception, a common fallacy, in which I took the liberty of pointing out. If you would like to pretend not to know how averages and bell curves work, then by all means. Continue trolling.

        As far as being defensive, I find that mildly amusing. I have a sneaking suspicion that you so badly wished I were defensive so you wouldn’t have to pull these accusations out of your ass.

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    • I agree, these studies are stupid, and accomplish nothing, but to divide the smart people along racial lines, and get them fighting, so the idiots can gain some advantage.

      This keeps us forming false groups, based on crap like skin color. There are smart people, and there are idiots. Why do we waste time on color? Who cares what color they are, if they can perform? Especially when we are all Americans?

      We should divide the world based upon ability. Smart people and idiots, the beautiful and the ugly, the good and the bad. Then let the chips fall where they may. Smart Whites should jettison the dumb whites, Smart Blacks should jettison the dumb blacks, and then we can all be smart Americans together. Less welfare, less handouts, less favoritism for idiots.

      They do the same thing with crime. How about we imprison all criminals aggressively, and stop worrying about what color their skin is?

      That said, I question your intellect if you admit to living in Austin. No offense, but….

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    • Strangely, people of all races want to be around only the same race. Don’t try and single out whites as the only ones like that.

      You just feel bad because you hate your own race too. Deal with it.

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    • As a man who is immune to PC brainwashing, I will always care more about a retarded NASCAR fan or a chav in Croydon I ever will about an IQ outlier NAM. (BTW, your writing style could improve some — you come across as stilted. Lose the unnecessary polysyllabic words and nominalisations). To me, it’s not all about IQ or even psychopathy prevalence. Otherwise, I’d move to Korea or Japan. You “get left out” because many (if not most) game people are as tribal as I am.

      As mine is the race that’s slated for destruction, tribal attitude is necessary to survive.

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    • You’ve missed the boat.

      You have nothing to prove. (How silly can you be. You’re on an anonymous forum! Even if we were diehard Aryan Brotherhood we would only care if what you were posting had merit.) You do not understand what SWPL means. (‘Stuff white people like’, the sacred cows that many on here love tearing down.) You – like a woman – can only equate discussion of a topic as an attack on you. You are clearly not as successful as you think if you have to prove yourself and feel victimised. Anyone with the success you are describing would not feel this way. Of course, you do not have success! Irregardless of your race; you are just another student living off his parents accomplishments who has done fuck all in the world.

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    • I bring up race constantly each and every day among my friends. In my circle there’s a mix of turks, russians, germans, blacks, iraqi, one dutch guy even (we just call him cheesehead). Point is, stop being such a menstruating pussy and grow a thicker hide will you? You know that old saying, sticks and stones?

      And I hope you do realize that it’s hard to believe and take at face value truly honestly earned black achievement and wealth when everyone knows there’s a huge quota and affirmitive action system in place which advantanges blacks and other minorities. If it wasn’t there, no one would need to ask himself questions such as “Did he get his job cause of AA? Is he on the board of managers cause he’s a token black?”

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    • Of course, one of the key points made in the The Bell Curve — and if you haven’t read it, I suggest you do — is that the you cannot extrapolate the group results to any one individual. Individuals will always be individuals, and some will invariably be way different than the aggregate.

      But I will say this: your attitude is all too common. Whitey has contempt for me.

      Frankly, it’s tiresome. Your “burdens” are crap compared to your grandfather’s. Give it up. Give up the resentment, and it gets you nowhere.

      Face the reality, too, that there remain in this country social stratifications — we have bikers, lacross playing kids from Larchmont going to Princeton, thug rappers, gang bangers, rednecks.

      What is the generalizable social strata of a young black man in his 20s? Where is he likely to be from?

      You know the answer to that, and I know the answer to that. What you see in your experience in Austin is not racism, but rather the “jolt” of seeing someone out of context. That may be right, it may be wrong, and it may be neither, but it is what it is.

      Seething anger at sleights, real or imagined, gets you nowhere. And an Alpha wouldn’t give a shit.

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    • on December 1, 2011 at 7:54 am Michael Maier

      Awwww… look! The snowflake got his little feewings hurt.

      Get over yourself. Life sucks sometimes, like likes like and most humans act like dicks to those outside their tribe. Nothing new under the sun here.

      When I can walk in the ghetto without fearing for my life and greeted like a human instead of an alien invader to be rolled, let me know.

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    • Good post. Racism is inherent in human thinking. It must be tempered but it will never go away. Do you date or black women?

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    • You are paranoid. But then, you have been told to be for so long, who can blame you?

      Here it is, my friend: those white people you know spend very, very little time thinking about you, their superiority or your inferiority. In fact, none at all. They are just trying to get through their life.

      Just do the job, don’t annoy people, and keep your shit together. At work and in life, 99% of white people actually don’t give a shit if you are black, so long as you just follow those simple rules. Do the job. Don’t annoy people. Keep your shit together.

      What white people do hate is when a minority can’t do the job, annoys them or won’t keep their shit together, and then that minority plays the race card to avoid the consequences.

      Then, all the people who actually know the score look at each other, silently nod with deep, unspoken contempt, and then they go about trying the limit the bullshit we have to deal with because some asshole played the race card to avoid dealing with inability to do the job, annoying people, or failing to keep shit together.

      What you call racism, we call dealing with assholes. And we actually deal with white female assholes who play the gender card same way. White men just get fired or otherwise thrown to the curb.

      Hard for you to believe, I know, but trust me, that is how it is. Your ethnic studies professor lied to you.

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    • I’m tired having to constantly prove my self to sheltered, peremptory SWPL douchebags–the type that predominate this blog.

      Living in Austin, I’m all too aware of all the little underhanded, furtive tricks you employ in an attempt to display your unquestioned superiority over everyone else.

      Damnit, I know. It’s like when I drive down the street to buy some oranges, and “you”, ignoring traffic rules, shuffle in front of my car and shoot me a menacing look. Or like when I’m in the supermarket looking for those oranges and “you”, babbling on your mobile, walk straight for me forcing me to bump shoulders with “you”, which makes you look back with great indignation that whitey dared affront your kaffir grace. Or like when “you” come onto a blog by whites, and pretty much for whites, and begin your plaintive lecturing with your worthless accomplishments. Why don’t you take your education and score a pretty blond white girl? I’m sure you’ve done so already, in fact. After all these years of being pandered to by my kind, that’s still the black man’s pride, no?

      How you choose to only surround yourself with other white people (who look and act just like you)

      So smart he couldn’t figure out that people sort naturally with their own kind! Poor fellow, you’ve internalized the rhetoric of YKW that whites who don’t include you are doing so to hurt your feelings. Or probably you don’t know who. You’re smart, so many educational attainments, I know you’ll figure out. I’ll start you off:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koinophilia
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophily
      http://www.vdare.com/articles/mapping-the-unmentionable-race-and-crime

      Be sure to bring some coconut oil to grease your adventures down the rabbit hole!

      –all the while denying any suggestion of racism when your asses get called out.

      Because whites live in a world where they must constantly justify themselves to “you”, the dark master. All your precious educational accomplishments, and you’ve never noted your egotism in this matter?

      Well, if whites don’t want you, why do you yearn so for their company? could it be that the company of your own leaves you … bored … disgusted … irritated … unfulfilled, though it fill you with pity and shame? … Could it be … that you are a lonely outlier to your own kind?

      but based on my experiences, more than a few clearly harbor feelings of white supremacy.

      I shall give you the secret. You will deny it, but no matter.

      Whites are so very superior, they deem it moral to deny this superiority, to pander to you, and even abolish themselves. This is another way of saying, “Whites are so superior, they invented piss porn.”

      I’ll be the first to admit that there is an abundance of scientific evidence to support the notion that, on average,

      eyyo dis remon’ me of dat pot in da auto-bi-o-graph-y of malcolm x where he givin a lecture at some kollige n dis “ultra-smot-talkin’ negro” get lippy widdim, n malcolm, psk psk, he go, “u know wut white racists be callin’ black phds n shit yo?”, n dis ultra-smot negro he say, “i believe i happen to not know the answer to that shit yo,” and psk psk psk, malcolm x say, “NIGGER!”

      don’t be so patronizing as to negate the existence of successful, high-income, secular, above average IQ blacks like myself.

      It’s like your peacocking attitude exhibited at the start of your comment evaporated after that little whine-fest about whites excluding you for being smelly.

      Somehow we always manage to get left out of this discussion.

      Oh please. Ninety-percent of whites can’t say the first thing about you kaffirs without padding it with anecdotes of the holy 1% of your race that isn’t out blocking traffic, hitting on white girls, loitering, thieving, beeboppin’ on da bus, buying cigars from de sto’, or doing drugs.

      Sod off, sodskin. You’re every bit the actor as your supposedly dumber cohort. Behind your cries for attention is the same kaffir expectation of validation from whitey. Whitey must do this, whitey must do that — I’m an unhappy golliwog!

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    • Did you seriously just brag about your rich parents and then try to talk shit about whites being sheltered?

      Blacks are inferior as a group. Use your allegedly high IQ to figure out the concept of averages.

      Then go pick some cotton or get hanged.

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      • A+.

        What a strong showing, on the whole. Can you imagine if we defended ourselves like this in public, as a group?

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    • How you just love to bring up race randomly and inappropriately in conversation, followed by the ridiculous, and ubiquitous assertion that your best friend is black–all the while denying any suggestion of racism when your asses get called out.

      Lol, the good old “I have a black friend” play.

      I understand your frustration. While the black community have their own issues of course, how hard is it to understand that blacks as a whole aren’t subhuman ghetto fiends who live on welfare. That’s all people on here seem to think of when they think of black people.

      As for only hanging out with your own kind, that I do understand. We all do that in some form or another – although I have no problem at all associating with people of other race or ethnicities.

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    • This is a result of a leftist culture that justifies affirmative action and the racism of low expectations, not a result of alt-right/reactionary/hbd philosophy. Anyone with a passing knowledge of race realism doesn’t ignore or deny your existence, they predict it.

      You are lumping two diametrically opposing viewpoints into one.

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    • You are not left out of the discussion.

      That’s why IQ is a BELL CURVE, you nimrod.

      Ever taken ANY stat?

      There are blacks with smart (115+) IQs, just a lot fewer than whites or Asians. Fact.

      And, since you’re black, I’m sure a lot of your “accompishments” are derived, directly or indirectly, from AA “benefits” – that’s just the price you pay for the whole AA racket.

      You could be a genius and, hey, good for you – just understand no whites (except SWPLs – do you even know what that means? if you think the CH readership is SWPLs, methinks not) – will think you’re anything but a whiny, entitled AA baby.

      Just like Obama.

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    • In my experience, the people who are sufficiently well-versed in statistical analysis to appreciate the correlation between race and IQ are also capable of comprehending the idea of individual variation. Stereotypes and assumptions are not always accurate, but they serve an important economic purpose — they save time.

      But more importantly, what is the point of this thing you describe as “calling your ass out” on racism? I don’t understand the point of doing that. Who bothers to respond to that kind of accusation? Who cares what some random, vituperative name-caller says?

      In any event, I have never really understood the modern collectivist obsession with racism. It’s a topic that’s guaranteed to provoke more hand-wringing and hysteria than taxes or religion (both of which are also based on complete fantasy-bullshit fairy tales).

      And who has any basis to even comment on my selection of people for my voluntary relationships? What possible interest would I have in anyone’s opinion about who I should or should not be friends with?

      Racial discrimination (in one’s friends, intimates, associates, business contacts, etc.) is either rational or it is not. If it’s rational, how could it possibly be wrongful, or even a vice? If it’s not rational, then isn’t the irrational racist hurting himself? Why the need to browbeat some despised person who is causing himself so much harm?

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    • “I’m tired having to constantly prove my self to sheltered, peremptory SWPL douchebags–the type that predominate this blog.”

      My experience is, smart recognizes smart, just as game recognizes game. If you are hanging with the actual smart White people and are smart yourself, you won’t have to prove anything, it will be obvious. You will have to deal with the “I’m smarter than you” games they play, but they play those with each other all the time, just like how Jocks play I’m tougher than you games with each other. It is how the two groups determine the pecking order.

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    • you write like a girl.

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    • Let me summarize – NABALT

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    • So you would rather prove yourself to the affluent than hold company with the ignorant. Good for you. Such is life buddy. We all have to prove ourselves, so don’t complain and you will go farther and stress less. I would say the same to people who complain that wealthy people act superior to them: Perhaps affluent people find a reason given to them.

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    • Talk about a shit storm.
      Let me sum it up: “There’s black people and there’s niggas. And niggas have got to go”.

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    • Jesus, even alleged smart blacks overuse and misapply big words.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:10 am John Norman Howard

      Some of your best friends are black?

      Alas, everyone seems to have their good nigger.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:56 pm Too Smart To Fail

      African-American scientists and inventors have contributed greatly to advancing mankind. We need more of them.

      http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmscientists1.html

      What I find disheartening is that those that excel athletically, Mike tyson comes to mind who was taken advantage of by his manager Don King.
      Who know’s how many athletes who’s fortunes are under management face similar fate because they themselves are not capable or while focusing on thier sport, are time-constrained to do it themselves when they should be able to entrust this responsibility with those that know how.

      Same situation applies to musicians.

      Trust snowballs into a greater client base and is more profitable than greed under these circumstances and benefits everyone involved if moral is in focus.

      We both get richer and stay richer. It’s a win-win. Music to my ears!

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  20. Once upon a time I used to think “Wow, we’re really lucky that cro magnon man went extinct – can you imagine the difficulties of trying to integrate them into our civilization? Thank goodness we’re all the same underneath our skin!”

    Yes, I quite literally did think this, at the time I was reading something about chimpanzees and dolphins having rights, or something.

    If there is a God, he hates us.

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    • i think you mean neanderthal man.

      here’s a little factoid, all non-africans have neanderthal genes-1-4%- so they didn’t really go totally extinct.

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    • Learning and practicing game lifts the veil and gives you the knowledge that everything you think you know of women is wrong and everything the media tells you to know about women is wrong. A by-product of this is that you begin to question everything you are told. The PC sacred cows are the first to fall.

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      • There are many intelligent men even who know about game, but don’t have the balls to apply it and advance. You still have to have some alpha potential in you to actualize.

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    • Grrrhmpppf?

      Cro Magnon man is us. And I don’t think I am extinct, at least not yet.

      The 20-30 K years or so between CroM and us is an evolutionary
      blink of an eye.

      Neanderthals, OTOH, are extinct. Although there is still some
      debate on whether Neanderthals and CroM occasionlly interbred,
      and whether such unions would be productive. Additionally,
      whether the offspring would itself be fertile. We don’t know,
      but if true, Neanderthals are not fully extinct either, they would
      be a little piece of us.

      But the funny thing is, either way, that humans are by gene
      count a more homogenous species than most. An Eskimo and
      a Bushman are closer gene matches than two chimps from the
      same tree.

      This strongly suggest two things:

      a) At some point the human or proto-human population was down to a small number of individuals

      b) This point was, in geological terms, relatively recent.
      (In any case no further back than the chimp/human split about
      6M years ago, but probably a lot more recent than that. )

      This must be conflated with the fact that two of the chimp chromosomes
      are fused into one human chromosome. For such a change to take
      place, it is absolutely REQUIRED that the switchover happened in
      a very small population, otherwise the “mutants” with their
      lower fertility (for the heterozygotes) would be weeded out over time.

      Thor

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      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal_genome_project

        “In May 2010, the project released a draft of their report on the sequenced Neanderthal Genome. Contradicting the results discovered while examining mitochondrial DNA, they demonstrated a range of genetic contribution to non-African modern humans ranging from 1% to 4%. From their Homo sapiens samples in Eurasia (French, Han Chinese & Papuan) the authors state that it is likely that interbreeding occurred in the Levant before Homo sapiens migrated into Europe.”

        The science is turning up evidence of interbreeding. And why shouldn’t it. In all likelihood Neandertal was pretty damned similar to Cro Magnon. There is little evidence for their lesser general intelligence except for lack of innovation (which could be due to cultural stock in anachronism) and the previous inability to find a hyoid bone from a Neandertail (found in 1983). What I mean is, even if they had lesser intelligence in Cro Magnon terms, it’s not significant in the scheme of getting it on.

        The homogeneity of extant humans is a myth. Sure, we’re more homogenous than chimps, but there are still incredible variations in phenotype and gene expression across modern human ethnicities.

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      • The homogeneity is a sum total property. However, as humans got smart enough to live in almost any climate, there was HUGE evolutionary
        pressure to modify certain traits, many of them very visible, such
        as skin color. (Black = protection from sun, White = protection from
        rickets). So two humans from different parts of the Earth LOOK
        much more different than any two chimps (partly, but not exclusively
        because we who do the looking are more attuned to the former than
        the latter). But a total gene count gives a different answer.

        Another thing, to some extent Montesquieu is at work.
        A dumb Eskimo is a dead Eskimo when it is 60 below!

        Thor

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      • OTOH, you’ve gotta be dumb to want to live where it’s 60 below.

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  21. White liberals’ fascination with rap = a revival of the minstrel show.

    Just admit it’s truly dumb and move on. There’s nothing to rap. Listen to Chopin. Engage with Western civilization. You’ll be happier.

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    • Oh, YES.

      But there is something very disturbing going on here.
      Humans are status seeking animals. One of the
      normal manifestations is that people emulate those
      higher up on the socioeconomic scale. Maybe not
      “nice” or even “smart”, but certainly the norm.

      However, in these ultimate days, the reverse is making
      itself known – people are emulating those on the BOTTOM
      of the soc-ec scale, and listen to rap.
      I believe this is one of the many symptoms of cultural decay.

      Thor

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  22. As a kid I grew to hate IQ tests and every other kind of general test because I realized, by and by, that I was never going to get the highest scores ever given out. So, it was like, “fuck this”.
    Then I took a deep breath and remembered the majic word(I had learned from watching Star Wars), “enough”.

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  23. Are you saying Indians are stupid? Fuck you sala kutha ban chothe

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  24. The truth is, as I’ve said, much deeper than anti-racism and racism.

    People don’t like to think that were animals. It’s why conservatives will ultimately balk at accepting any talk of this, too. it’s obviously absurd to think that height, dietary predilections and eye color are genetically influenced while behavior, mental acuity and various mental faculties (not to mention supposedly wholly taught behaviors like taste in music and sexual proclivities) are not. it’s as if, for every species of animal on the planet, all aspects of its existence are programmed by evolution, hard-wired into a complex neural computer that learns but learns because it’s programmed to – but for some reason, either God’s special creation or liberal ideology, which is also pretty “creationist” in its approach, the *human brain* is uniquely immune to evolution.

    The patent absurdity of this position, logically, is obvious; but for these non-thinkers, the implications of this obvious truth is too painful.

    Not just for race and society. They have to believe that we’re special snowflakes and unlike anything else, because their worldviews – both conservatives and liberals – are unable to contemplate a state in which we are animals.

    Liberals are as much guilty of this as conservatives. The truth is that we are all uncomfortable with this; some of us just know this and then deal with our discomfort. Others can’t.

    Marcotte and the average hard-core creationist suffer from this human need to see us as fundamentally distinct. Their problem is much deeper than any social ideology.

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    • As usual, I largely agree with Gorby. However, we are at least a little special, but not for any of the liberal or conservative reasons stated above.

      Think of emergent properties. Life itself is an emergent property
      (although we really don’t have a good model for how it might
      have happened). But ordinary chemicals don’t reproduce and maintain
      traceable separateness. (A load of explosives “reproduces” the
      combustion until it runs out of fuel, but the combustion looks the same
      regardless of what kind of detonator you use. Not so with life.)

      There are quite a few steps on the evolutionary ladder where
      new properties emerged. Skipping such things as nervous
      systems, the ability to learn and sexual reproduction, we get to the
      latest (but not necessarily last) step, human intelligence.

      The latter has reached a certain kind of critical mass that allows
      civilization to arise, and a technological evolution to take place,
      starting around the neolithic introduction of agriculture.
      This type of evolution runs many orders of magnitude faster
      than any genetic evolution. And the pace is, by essentially any
      measure, accelerating.

      Thor

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  25. Study after study, the same exact results are reproduced ad nauseam, the truth of the matter becomes clear to anyone who is intellectually honest. While it’s frustrating that perfectly intelligent people experience a break down in thinking when it comes to deeply held beliefs like god or egalitarianism, the reasons why are clear. These beliefs provide comfort even if they are consistently inconsistent with reality.

    Lecturing liberals about the validity of IQ studies will hardly convince any of them, it may even strengthen their position, or better yet they will write it off as racism. (As we all know, racism means little more these days than saying something about non whites that isn’t particularly positive). One must address the underlying issues for their refusal. I am a huge proponent of a meritocratic society and I think accepting these basic truths will only improve society in the long run. If people know their weaknesses, they can compensate.

    There’s definitely a double standard in whites accepting asians are more intelligent than them on average, but then blacks not accepting that whites are more intelligent if these issues were considered independent of any other context and solely on the merit of the information given. But when you add the implications of historical, political, etc context, then the degree of harm of the subjects implicated in double standards will vary.

    I question if this is even the right time in our evolution to push these issues seeing as how irrational some of the most educated amongst us can be. I question if these results come across as anything but caustic with the exception of a very small minority of people. But hey, the truth ain’t responsible for making anyone feel good, so I say push on.

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  26. “Nigerian immigrants have the highest levels of education in this city and the nation, surpassing whites and Asians, according to Census data”

    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php

    When will people realize that it’s class and culture, not color, that is the true determinant?

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    • Immigrants (into any country, from any country) are not likely to be
      representative of the population from which they come. Those who
      decide (or are forced to) emigrate are likely to be either a) more
      flexible, entrepreneurial or, even, smarter, than those who stay,
      OR b) They are the ones who could not make it in their country
      of origin. This latter may or may not be a personal failing, it could
      be e.g. because of a rigid class structure or similar phenomenon.

      A rule of thumb (but ONLY a rule of thumb) is that the further away
      an immigrant is coming from, on average the smarter or more
      industrious he is.

      Thor

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      • Most Nigerians come to the US on student visas and are usually of higher intellect than your average American (my observation). However, Nigerians in the US are, on average, a lot smarter and milder in demeanor than those in Africa.

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      • While I see the reasoning in your argument, it’s simply invalid.

        For one, the poor scores of Hispanics (emigrate by will) invalidates this reasoning.

        Secondly, it really comes down to cultural and societal differences. I know an individual (from aforementioned country in article) who was bottom of his class. In fact, he came to America because he could not find a job after failing the ‘placement’ exam. Surprisingly (not really) he graduated his masters and doctorate studies at the top of his class here in the states.

        If we were to put Americans up against most 3rd-world countries, they would get their asses handed to them. It’s a different education system and type of motivation. ‘Color’ has nothing to do.

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      • If Nigerians are so smart, why do they have a fucked up culture and country?

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    • Agreed. Culture does account for some portion of intellectual aptitude/performance. I read a study some time ago that stated an Asian with a 93 point IQ can perform at the same level as a white with 100 point IQ.

      Nigerians tend to excel academically and professionally in the west, however I believe Nigeria is experiencing a severe brain drain of sorts in that many of the wealthiest and most intelligent people are leaving the country in droves.

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    • I’m not sure if we can consider this report to be accurate. The reporter claims that demographers have found that Nigerians have on average higher educational attainment, but no specific study is linked or even mentioned.

      In addition, all of the persons referenced in the article, as well as the author of the article herself, are likely to be ethnically biased.
      The author’s name is “Casimir” and the chief expert cited “Klineberg”. On average, Jews are disingenuous when reporting on race issues.

      The other names of experts cited in the article are all African, except for one extremely European-looking name, Roderick Harrison. Well, it turns out that Harrison is a mulatto professor of “Afro-American Studies and Sociology”. What a surprise.

      I suspect that Nigerians in the U.S. are uneducated, on average. There were some African students in my program when I went to grad school, including one Nigerian. I remember distinctly a presentation he gave that was completely incomprehensible, including a handout he had created that was a mess of spelling and formatting errors, to say nothing of the “ideas” that he had.

      Undoubtedly taxpayer funds were used to give him a full scholarship, including travel from Nigeria and a long-term visa in the U.S.

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  27. Somehow we always manage to get left out of this discussion.

    What do you expect? Ignoring whole swaths of the population is the only way PUA style game theory can make itself work.

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  28. The important thing to remember is that being less gifted with math and science doesnt make you inferior. Youre probably better at different things, and we should celebrate and encourage those differences. Blacks are better at sports, whites are better at math, women are better at having children, and men are better at governing and inventing and cooking and writing.

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  29. […] Rod Dreher, Razib Khan – from the Discover Magazine – and many others. Even […]

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  30. Yes. I am superior. Deal with it. I am neither black nor white or asian.

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  31. Doesn’t some think-tank estimate that like half of all black women will never marry, because they are too educated for black men? I don’t mean to offend anyone but it seems to me that our government has used feminism as a sort of applied Eugenics on the black population. And its working…

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  32. on December 1, 2011 at 5:29 am Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta

    I disagree vehemently with the obsession about IQ.

    In my experience, given a certain minimum intelligence endowment, concscientioiusness, persistence and the ability to rebound from setbacks are vastly more important to success in life than raw intelligence. I’ve known plenty of brilliant mensa worthy candidates living humbly, (in mom’s basement?) working at the Best Buy or some other less than impressive position, while I’ve seen so many people of average to lukewarm intelligence really shine leading independent businesses or whatever field they’ve chosen and decided to stick to.

    This doesen’t mean that conscientiousness and persistence aren’t also naturally endowed and heritable like intelligence. Nobody would “choose” less intelligence; who would “choose” less conscientiousness and persistence for all the benefits they bring?

    Nevertheless as variable as conscientioiusness an persistence are. I don’t doubt that their distribution among various populations (ethinc groups, etc.) like mean intelligence levels is also variable. One might ask, are populations that are lagging not just suffering prejudice (racism), but more importantly lacking conscientiousness and persistence that inhibit their success and flourishing.

    This is a highly deterrministic view, but perhaps we are wasting our time trying to get the grasshoppers to be more like ants when we admonish them to just “be more conscientious and persistent.” Afterall nobody ever seriously demands that people just “have more raw intelligence.”

    So I have to agree with Ta Nahesi’s fan’s rather limp criticism of the “certain kind of test.” I’d be more interested in the results of a cross-cultural “marshmallow test” that reveals aspects of conscientiousness and discipline. I know it’s popular in these parts to criticise the 10,000 hour hypothesis, but for some reason I suspect that that the discipline and persistence to cultivate that kind of excellence is just as inborn as the gift of raw intelligence. Consider all the bright dilletantes who never amount to anything? Do you suppose that they choose that life of misery?

    As for the consequences of such a fatalistic worldview, I’m not sure what it would mean; what we should expect from individuals with deficient conscientiousness and persistence as well from communities consisting disproportionately of these. I have some ideas that aren’t fully baked and probably even too controversial for audiences as thick skinned as this one. But I’d be interested in what all of you think of the hypothesis: “conscientiousness > intelligence” before I bother to elaborate.

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    • The temperate zone selects for intelligence AND self-discipline AND long-term planning more than tropical/sub-tropic does; so, IQ matters by itself AND is a marker for other inherited qualities that also matter.

      Humans are social animals, so any economic network is a socio-economic network. The “bright dilletantes who never amount to anything” are just too far outside the mainstream to get traction.

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  33. If blacks can have “bigger dicks”, why can we not say whites or asians have “higher IQ’s”?

    When you argue that one is true, you are equally arguing the truth of the other statement by backing the notion in which races have different characteristics.

    What’s even more interesting is that it is socially acceptable to say that “Blacks have bigger dicks”, but if you say “Whites have higher IQ’s”, suddenly you are a racist.

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  34. Curiously, when you ask them privately, researchers generally come down on the side of common sense. Or at least far more do so than those who claim differences are purely environmental.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IQ_Controversy,_the_Media_and_Public_Policy_%28book%29

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  35. “Their time is almost up” — how? They control all education and media. They’ve raised a whole generation of Americans who absolutely believe there is no difference among people in intelligence. And therefore that any difference in outcome is due to racism or George Bush or somebody.

    They elected a black guy as President, despite ample evidence he’s no more than average intelligence (if that). Their time isn’t up — they’re WINNING.

    In fifty years America’s going to be a Third World country, with one-party rule by thugs and kleptocrats. Anyone with talent or brains will be living in China or India.

    [Heartiste: Entrenchment and fury borne of pride are always strongest just before the fall.]

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    • I would not particularly recommend China or India, for most
      Americans that are or plan to be high achievers.

      Instead, try a small country. Each has its problems and
      difficulties, but explore it. Switzerland. Lichtenstein.
      Monaco. Caymans, Anguilla or any of a number of
      other places in the Caribbean. Jersey.

      Or a large country like Brazil. Muy bem!

      Thor

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  36. the trouble here is you’re talking about averages, which for blacks is around 85, whites 100, east asians 105, and ashkenazi jews around 110. there is such variation within groups that every individual should be given a shot and judged on his own merits. ‘equality under the law’ is the best american idea. let the chips fall where they may.

    for instance, living in nyc, i’ve been privileged to know many smart jews. i’ve known lots of dumb jews too. but i digress.

    saletan on slate treated this subject fairly in a series a couple years ago.

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  37. Another thing that must be noted- the Asians in these studies are cherry picked immigrants who came from high IQ families and backgrounds. If you chose a larger sampleof Asians, more representative of the population, you find that the average IQ drops. The average IQ of an Indian peasant is around 85, for instance.

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    • Not true. If you read around the subject, the average IQ of a Chinese an living within China is 100*. Also, a low-skilled worker in China has a comparable IQ as a low-skilled worker in Western Europe. However, a low-skilled worker in sub-saharan Africa is not comparable and it will most probably border on retard levels. (The average is 80, 15-20 points below low-skilled Chinese and White Westerners.)

      * Worth noting; the ‘Asian’ average is inflated by other countries in region (Hong Kong, North/South Korea). Also, Chinese have a higher average IQ than many countries in the West. (Australia, France, U.S.)

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  38. on December 1, 2011 at 8:29 am Anonymous coward

    Even if the truth goes mainstream, niggas ain’t going nowhere.
    Just get used to their dumb shit, learn self-defense and carry a fucking gun.

    The truth can go mainstream,but unless The Powers That Be acknowledge it as being truth,and act accordingly,we’re still in for a hell of a ride.

    How many zeks got an all expenses paid trip to Kolyma as a result of denunciations and trials that everyone knew-and knew at the time-were complete and utter made up fabrications?

    And you don’t have to be a prole in Stalinist Russia for it to happen to you. Google Ed Steele.

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  39. iq tests given to africans score very low, 70 and below. it would seem something in the test is obviously breaking down, or the test doesn’t adequately measure all factors. such an iq would indicate mental retardation, but africans don’t come across as retarded. just sayin.

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    • “So far, I’ve been speaking of intelligence as something that can be measured scientifically by a number. But in recent years I’ve also come to believe there are differences in black and white styles of thinking.”

      http://amnation.com/vfr/archives/001132.html

      This might have to do with that mysterious dose of Neanderthal DNA, possessed by all non-blacks and possessed by no blacks.

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      • Not to mention that there are hints of Blacks having their very own admixture from primitive African hominids (maybe like Homo Erectus). It’s just that we have no DNA from archaic African human species due to the climate breaking down DNA.

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      • Or, it might simply be because Whites and NORTH Asians evolved in the temperate zone.

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    • such an iq would indicate mental retardation, but africans don’t come across as retarded.

      You’re right. You do.

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  40. OT: Apologies if someone posted this already. Don’t have time to read the comments right now.

    I thought you all would like/hate this:

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/29/living/why-we-get-mad-at-our-husbands-p/index.html?hpt=hp_bn8

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    • Wow! What a Jeremiad!

      But the women who have full time work outside the home have my
      sympathy. To those that are stay-at-home-mothers I would give
      very little sympathy. But each individual case is different.

      Thor

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  41. High IQ === Low Game

    Unless you are trained in the arts, brains get in the way of mating. This happens in ALL mammals of significant intelligence. Captive animals outside of nature can be fed and housed perfectly, but they can’t figure out why the female doesn’t like them. Females in all of nature more advanced than peacocks mate on dubious characteristics. It’s just a quirk of increasing complexity.

    IQ requires moderate conflict. Excessively peaceful nations are overrun with idiot breeders and gamers. Warlike nations don’t have cultural continuity, and the mating game changes so often, that thuggery gives more consistent results. Nations that periodically go to war (read: nations with 4 seasons instead of 2) have the highest IQs.

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  42. When the Bell Curve was published one guy wrote that the uproar was caused because it “took away hope”. My thinking at the time and still is is that it showed that all state social engineering policies and jobs are pointless.

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  43. stop embarrassing yourself, and get back to topics where you have something insightful to say.

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  44. Yes but IQ is not so related to income.

    IQ is not so related to happyness.

    This superiority is very narrow.

    (Agreed, a society that does not value intelligence is doomed in long term).

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  45. I dated an archeologist. She let me in on an industry secret; if a space alien in the distant future compared the skull of a Swedish man, an Aboriginal Australian man and a Han Chinese man, he would think there were 3 extant species of human. Whose to say the differences in extant homo sapiens are not the same as the differences between Cro Magnon and Neandertal?

    If phenotype is different, duh, intellect might be different. Just as sun resistance is not homogenous. Just as malarial resistance is not homogenous. Just as the ability to process alcohol without blushing is not homogenous.

    We’re sitting here debating whether or not the delicate flower of modern western intellect is a shared human trait, but the real question is, does that even fucking matter? Once you remove the modern western hyper-controlled greenhouse from the picture, once scarcity returns (fuck yeah Thomas Malthus), once securing a mate is not connected with test scores, then that measure of intelligence becomes irrelevant.

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  46. I read Murray’s The Bell Curve. To quote Wikipedia:

    “The book argued the average genetic IQ of the United States is declining due to the tendency of the more intelligent to have fewer children than the less intelligent, for the generation length to be shorter for the less intelligent, and through the large scale immigration to the United States of those with low intelligence. The United States will become increasingly like Latin America, with high IQ whites and Asians living in fortified enclaves protected by high fences and armed guards from “the menace of the slums” below.”

    Jews are the smartest people in the world.

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    • Ironically, jewifying the world is one of the best eugenic policies. Hitler would turn in his grave at the realization that (Ashkenazi) Jews are the real Uebermenschen, and that the Final Solution was the most dysgenic massacre in the history of humanity.

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      • As an Ashkenaz Jew, let me tell you, it’d be a very annoying, argumentative world of ubermenschen with a lot of ennui and movies about nerds and skirt chasing.

        Love my people, but in very strict doses. Meanwhile I sleep with nonjewish women and hope to spread the seeds of intellect into less irritating soil.

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      • +1

        I was once married to a Jewess, and I’ve dated a few others. I’ve met their families and friends. The stereotype that Jews are a special brand of neurotic is there for a reason.

        I love the intellectual culture Jews easily share. But the cost benefit ratio of Jewish intellect does not work in my favor for mate selection.

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  47. As different races continue to fuck each other, races mix, these ancient differences fade, and we end up with sexy Brooke Burke types way more often.

    This is what happened to “Latin” America and the Arab Muslim world – they encouraged wholesale racial miscegenation (for the masses at least) in the purported desire that this would bring about some kind of mythical “unity” – in the false but narcissistically tempting belief that racial diffrences would be eradicated, or fade into oblivion…

    Which emphatically DID NOT HAPPEN.

    The “masses” in those societies are considered “asses” by their respective elites, who mixed their bloodlines the relative least.

    In other words, instead of a White/Black race hierarchy – you instead in “Latin” Amaerica and Islam have a light/dark color hierarchy – which is a far more insidious form of hierarchy for most average folks to deal with, since your typical schmuck then believes that in such a society is “now of the same ‘race” – and cannot effectively counter the prejudice and legitimate discrimination they encounter by their lighter-skinned “brothers”.

    *And our buddy thwack wonders why some of us disagree with racial miscegenation (who should read up on Brother Marcus Garvey).

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    • It is worse than that. I have been in Khartoum. There are two racial types, moderately easy to separate by eye. They have the same black skin color,
      but one type is more-or-less Arab, whereas the other type is more-or-less
      purely African – although there are large variations in both types, some
      of the “Africans” have European features but are jet black.

      And the mostly-Arab are the ruling class. In some areas (not Khartoum)
      a ruthless program of extermination or expulsion of the Africans
      has taken (and still is taking) place. Note that in most cases,
      members of both groups are Moslem. Talk about Fitna!

      Thor

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  48. Yup, Andrew Sullivan is a terrible person but the Bell Curve was a good book. Gawker does the liberal instant-dismiss on it, but I doubt they read one page of it.

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  49. Wake up white man is all you need to hear.

    “Hey-hey! Ho-ho! Western Civilization has got to go!!!”

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  50. Just to throw a little gas on the fire.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/

    This guy uses math and publicly available data to backwards calculate relative IQ and other characteristics amongst various ethnic groups.

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  51. It’s always
    a Treat when
    pua posters post
    about I.Q. & “genetics and stuff”

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  52. Mats

    Cultural marxism demands that their protected groups be free of criticism because criticizing them it’s criticizing cultural marxists.

    Blacks are the new “working class”.

    Actually Feminist are the new proles and men are the new Bourgeoisie.

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  53. Renee

    I think what gets people so upset (blacks especially) about topics like this is that the idea that whites are better than blacks has historically been used as a sort of platform for hate against blacks. Not only that but it has been used as a reason to see blacks as less than human (or not human at all) and underneath whites in all ways.

    Look how no one gets up in arms about the belief that Asians are smarter than whites – there’s no type of negative history connected with the idea.

    Asians are protected by political correctness, whites are not. The idea that east Asians are smarter does not trigger the SWPL PC guilt complex.

    I think if there wasn’t such a negative history related to the idea of the study, blacks wouldn’t be bothered by it.

    No, it is egotism pure and simple. The first time I was informed of the IQ disparity I was hurt, but unlike 90% of black Americans I wasn’t stuck in eternal childhood and I didn’t a chip on my shoulder, so I got over it and just accepted the truth for what it was.

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    • Realize that relative group median says nothing about you or me. It only speaks to where the peak of the bell curve is for each group. Either of us could be far to the high or low side and if we are we would be just as dumb or smart as other people in our area of the chart.

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    • “No, it is egotism pure and simple.”

      This is a really honest statement. Since Ethan is a black man I do believe he has probably hit the nail on the head.

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  54. at the time I was reading something about chimpanzees and dolphins having rights, or something.

    This is why racial differences in intelligence will ultimately lead to vegetarianism becoming mainstream.

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  55. “Andrew never said that blacks are “inferior” to whites or that whites are “inferior” to Asians. . . ”

    That was my comment. If you read the whole thing, I wasn’t just being diplomatic, I was being obsequious. Yet I got banned for it.

    The fact that I got banned for such an innocuous comment means that TNC sensed I was on the verge of very politely and rationally eviscerating his argument. Haha what a pussy.

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  56. But then what? What of those of us who didn’t luck out in the genetic lottery? Worldwide average IQ is 90. That’s a lot of people doomed to “unhappy” or “unsuccessful” lives.

    They can live happy lives, but without social control they will shoot each other. See: low caste Indians subject to strong social controls of Indian culture versus Western Underclasses

    As a young, high-IQ black guy whose family wealth and educational accomplishments likely exceed that of most people on this forum

    Sorry dude, but most people in this forum are able to produce beautiful daughters, and there is also that mean regression stuff.

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  57. Asians are protected by political correctness,

    China’s rise will not let that last. Also, Anglo-Saxon model of breaking down any sort of family bond in professional/corporate relationship is exceptionally suscetible to being explored by ethnic-based mafias (see: Galleon Fund), that will also fuel the fire of anti-Asian feeling

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  58. msport

    As a young, high-IQ black guy whose family wealth and educational accomplishments likely exceed that of most people on this forum, I’m tired having to constantly prove my self to sheltered, peremptory SWPL douchebags–the type that predominate this blog.

    As a average IQ black guy who has been homeless for over a year, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Am I better off? hmmm…

    Living in Austin, I’m all too aware of all the little underhanded, furtive tricks you employ in an attempt to display your unquestioned superiority over everyone else.

    Austin may be in a red state, but It is a blue city, I can’t these SWPL biker yuppies from California bringing up the race issue. Chip on your shoulder?

    Or were you referring to this blog?

    I live in Austin too, we should hang out at the ARCH

    How you choose to only surround yourself with other white people (who look and act just like you) while consciously avoiding people of color, even when they share common interests.

    I see, you definitively have a chip on your shoulder, you may posses high IQ, but you have the attitude problem of black trash:everybody is against you, everybody hates you, everyone is afraid of you. Even if the Law of Attraction isn’t true, people respond to your inner thoughts and feelings. Whites know your bitter/angry and react to it.

    How you just love to bring up race randomly and inappropriately in conversation, followed by the ridiculous, and ubiquitous assertion that your best friend is black–all the while denying any suggestion of racism when your asses get called out.

    I didn’t know whites did this on the regular but I suspect this is a “race shit test” to see if you are as bitter as they think you are. Next time it happens, show no negative reaction at all, agree with what they said and change the subject. If they don’t think your a typical white hating-the-world-owes-me-something-give me monnie-bitch! type, you might get let in the circle.

    It’s hard to know just how many SWPL truly believe in the notion of black cognitive inferiority, but based on my experiences, more than a few clearly harbor feelings of white supremacy.

    All of them truly believe, they might just not accept it.

    I’ll be the first to admit that there is an abundance of scientific evidence to support the notion that, on average, blacks are less intelligent than whites. But don’t be so patronizing as to negate the existence of successful, high-income, secular, above average IQ blacks like myself.

    Somehow we always manage to get left out of this discussion.

    The rhetoric of Race Realist cannot “negate” the existence of successful blacks…beside the exception will always get less attention than the rule.

    David Alexander and I both would kill to be you…for whats that’s worth. 🙂

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  59. Anonymous
    As different races continue to fuck each other, races mix, these ancient differences fade, and we end up with sexy Brooke Burke types way more often.

    This is what happened to “Latin” America and the Arab Muslim world – they encouraged wholesale racial miscegenation (for the masses at least) in the purported desire that this would bring about some kind of mythical “unity” – in the false but narcissistically tempting belief that racial diffrences would be eradicated, or fade into oblivion…

    Which emphatically DID NOT HAPPEN.

    The “masses” in those societies are considered “asses” by their respective elites, who mixed their bloodlines the relative least.

    In other words, instead of a White/Black race hierarchy – you instead in “Latin” Amaerica and Islam have a light/dark color hierarchy – which is a far more insidious form of hierarchy for most average folks to deal with, since your typical schmuck then believes that in such a society is “now of the same ‘race” – and cannot effectively counter the prejudice and legitimate discrimination they encounter by their lighter-skinned “brothers”.

    *And our buddy thwack wonders why some of us disagree with racial miscegenation (who should read up on Brother Marcus Garvey).

    Thank you anon for proving that racism=white supremacy (something every Jew knows all too well) And yes, “Brazilianization” is insidious because its just a more sophisticated way to maintain white supremacy. When I went there in 1995 most of the black people told me there was no racism in Brazil. When I pointed out the complexion differences in people between the favelas and the office towers, they all said, “thats not racism, we just don’t have any money”

    See what I mean?

    They are confused; so much so that none bothered to answer my reply to them which was, “well who has it?” (they just looked at the ground)

    The black people there have kinda been tricked into thinking that since nobody talks about racism, and you can have any white woman you want as long as she wants you and white people dont have a problem with it… there must be no racism?

    But the key is the money, which for black people serves as a surrogate for “whiteness”. Even if they are able to WORK enough to get enough money to FUNCTION as a white person, they often fail to see that a white people control the money.

    Racism is MORE sophisticated in Brazil than the U.S, but we are catching up.

    The key to any “system” is the LANGUAGE. In a system of racism white supremacy, the WORDS functions in support of the system, for example:

    MISCEGENATION

    You see that prefix: “MIS?”

    You think its an accident that the word white people use to describe the act of procreation by a white person and a nonwhite person BEGINS with M-I-S?

    MIStake
    MISuse
    MISunderstand
    MISallocate

    You see how that works?

    You gotta give it up to white people, they are very smart. They know that people think with words; so much so that a person can look directly at something and not see it because they lack the word to describe it in their own mind.

    MINORity is another one.

    If nonwhite people want to replace racism with justice, they don’t need guns, they need words; COMPENSATORY words.

    Words designed to make up for whats missing.

    Whats missing is justice.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:25 am John Norman Howard

      Compensatory? LOL.

      Oh, I know… you mean stuff like reparations, right:? The precept that people who never owned slaves owe money to people who never were slaves.

      Take a ride on the B&O Railroad, Sambo… do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

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  60. Everyone knows that test taking is a low level cognitive skill that only brings pride to the idiots stupid enough to think the test means something outside of the ivory tower that they took it in.

    Iq testing doesn’t measure: fluid intelligence, emotional intelligence, social intelligence, Machiavellian capacity, psychological resilience, the ability to delay gratification, the ability to quantify, control, and abstract emotions, it also doesn’t measure the most important cognitive skill out of them all.

    The ability to instinctively turn a woman’s panties into a small lake.

    All IQ statistics really do is give the inadequate middle of the bell curve an insecurity soothing ego boost, so that they can stay draped in the warm blanket of delusional superiority, akin to that of a Puritan moralist only more pathetic.

    Genetic and general insecurity is strong in the average white male Psyche (born alpha’s aren’t threatened thus not insecure). This insecurity is evidenced by the widespread manifestation of beta behaviors displayed by the group. They include: Shaming tactics, strong rationalization hamster, security/status whoring behaviors, herd cohesion, fear of direct competition, promotion of beta provider game, and incessant estrogen fueled whining.

    The original blog owner commented on this himself. When direct competition is not an option beta out and carve a niche.

    “ANSWER: when women no longer need men for money or security, and when the looming threat of pregnancy and unwanted children is mitigated, their priorities shift to choosing men for their colorful ornamentation, be that muscle, fashion, wit or humor.

    COROLLARY: in a multicult society like the USA where the four main races mingle, the “softer” races (white, asian) will stop competing head to head with the “harder” races (black, hispanic) and instead attempt to carve out their own sexual market niche to satisfy women’s innate desire for male status. these market niches open opportunities for men and take the form of dandyism, hipsterism, political activism, scenesterism, intellectual snobbery, PUAism and game, among others”

    Some people are born alpha’s along the lines of Reggie Bush & Ray J others are made alphas(disguised beta providers) like Kris Humpheries. People can be sure Kris was playing up his IQ and 401k while Kim was dreaming about taking his money and finding her way back onto Reggie’s dick.

    IQ statistics are for the Humphries of the world outside validation for those little insecurities.

    I’ll sum it up with an excellent comment from the-spearhead differintiating between unadorned alpha and alpha poseur.

    keyster August 11, 2011 at 09:07

    Beta’s we all know, but Alphas need to be delineated a bit more.

    There are BORN Alphas and there are MADE Alphas. Let’s face it, some guys just have it with the ladies; swagger, a look, that “je ne sais quoi” that seems to moisten their nether regions. Makes no difference if they’re wealthy or even employed, women are drawn to them. Getting laid to them is effortless; women just want that man’s DNA deposited into their vaginas, if he’ll have them.

    Then there are the MADE alphas. These are men that either strived for power and gained it or had it handed to them on a silver platter. Whatever the reason they discover women are suddenly drawn to to them that years before would’nt have given them the time of day, whether he be an athelete, an entertainer, a businessman or a politician.

    The politician (think disgraced former congressman/feminist Anthony Weiner here) finds his power seems to attract women, giving him a sense of invincibility and power over women. Wasn’t it Henry Kissinger who said “Power is the greatest aphrodisiac.” And so is having gorgeous women all of the sudden hitting on you, when you were younger you couldn’t attract flies if you wore a suit made of fresh fecal matter.

    It’s these Alphas that become drunk with this power that hurt men vis a vis women or the “gender war”. Beautiful, sexolicious babes are pumping his endorphins while he’s pumping them. A powerful Alpha is NOT going to stand up for men’s rights, he has too much at stake to risk it. The lowly street Alpha, the one less attractive women love to hate, doesn’t care as long as he gets his.

    BOTH of these men is who women aspire to be. The sexual allure of the street Alpha by night with the POWER of the MADE Alpha by day. Because “power” to a woman won’t mean men will be drawn to her, if anything they might be repelled, but she’ll have economic and political power over men none the less.

    Women hold great sway over the MADE Alpha, which is why feminism became such an omnipotent force. He likes the attention and he wants more of it. It’s is way of thanking women for finally validating his greatness. He thinks it’s social justice, but his inner-boy is telling him “MONEY=POWER=SEX, I get it now”.

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    • moron, the bell curve also mentioned other IQ tests, like reaction speed for recognition. Taking tests is not a low level skill, it’s an indicator of ability. That’s why these tests predict future performance far more accurately than any other variable.

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  61. Weight gain just kills men in the dating market. Not so for fat women. Fat broads get plenty of interest.

    [Heartiste: This is a myth. Fat chicks do not get as much sex as their slender counterparts, despite the infrequent dumpster diving of very desperate omegas. In fact, studies have shown that slightly overweight men do better in the dating market than thin men. This makes some sense, since women’s attraction triggers respond to a suite of male traits, of which weight is only one variable.]

    I’m 6’2, about 220, and women have no interest at all. I’m talking even overweight chicks. The power of pussy is still great, even if you are a fat female. If you are a fat guy, you’re shit out of luck.

    [I highly doubt your story.]

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 2:27 am John Norman Howard

      220 isn’t all that much weight for a 6′ 2″ frame… get thee to a gym and work some definition into that sirloin strip of a body, dude.

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  62. Do you live in the midwest? Do you think there is a plethora of hot ass parading around in Kansas and Nebraska?? Look at the obesity stats, other than the south the midwest is the worst place to be for fat women. Not a lot options.

    And I am 6’2, 220, but I’m kind of crazy also, so that probably doesn’t help.

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  63. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289606001085
    http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/fagan-holland-2007.pdf

    Racial equality in intelligence: Predictions from a theory of intelligence as processing
    Fagan and Holland 2006

    Abstract

    African-Americans and Whites were asked to solve problems typical of those administered on standard tests of intelligence. Half of the problems were solvable on the basis of information generally available to either race and/or on the basis of information newly learned. Such knowledge did not vary with race. Other problems were only solvable on the basis of specific previous knowledge, knowledge such as that tested on conventional IQ tests. Such specific knowledge did vary with race and was shown to be subject to test bias. Differences in knowledge within a race and differences in knowledge between races were found to have different determinants. Race was unrelated to the g factor. Cultural differences in the provision of information account for racial differences in IQ.

    1. IQ != g != Intelligence
    2. None of the above 3 factors are immutable, all are amenable to environmental change.

    I also think its funny that a place purporting to kill pretty lies persists in perpetuating one of the oldest lies of all. So much for iconoclasm.

    [Heartiste: Sorry, this study doesn’t pass the smell test. Anyone deeply familiar with the literature want to comment?
    ps there are hundreds of studies concluding the exact opposite for every one of these contrarian studies, not to mention real world observation that directly defies the contrarian assertions. at some point, ya gotta stop tilting at windmills.]

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    • Here’s another: what’s the expectation for a trait (like “intelligence”) that is under strong selection? hint: traits that have been under strong selection will show reduced heritability (ie vastly decreased variation)

      the case for racial differences in immutable genetically determined intelligence are not nearly as strong as its proponents seem to think. A LOT of the underlying weaknesses are methodological and statistical. If you don’t dive into the statistical methods, the weaknesses aren’t apparent:

      http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/520.html
      http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/523.html
      http://www.stat.cmu.edu/~brian/Pmka-Attack-V71-N3/pmka-2006-71.3-425-440-borsboom.pdf
      http://www.hss.cmu.edu/philosophy/glymour/glymour1998.pdf

      It’s lies, damned lies, and statistics.

      I know the ideas of race as a biological construct and IQ = intelligence are superficially (perhaps even intuitively and viscerally) convincing, compelling, and appealing, but those ideas are wrong. (Hell, the visceral appeal alone should give one pause if one knows anything at all about human psychology and the self-delusion.)

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      • If you don’t dive into the statistical methods, the weaknesses aren’t apparent:

        Fortunately, we don’t need to be obsessive anti-white brainiacs to understand that everywhere blacks exist in great numbers — many American cities, Paris, London, northern Brazil, Guyana, French Guyana, all of Africa, Haiti — there is a murderous, backward dystopia.

        Race is not a social construct.

        Society is a racial construct.

        Measure that all you like; no statistical alchemy will turn kaffir lead to Aryan gold. Which is, of course, they are all poaching our living space, and not we theirs.

        Fuck off with your anti-white mumbojumbo now.

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    • Test bias was discussed in the Bell Curve. There was the apocryphal story of the regatta simile question on the SAT. That’s bunk, the results showed comparable “wrong” answers among races. The other variable that the tested was the life style of the test takers versus IQ and other things, like family income. IQ accurately predicted future lifestyles.

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  64. I believe Andrew’s story. I have never had any interest in overweight men. I prefer them to be leaner than I am. If you look at most cultures in the world the men are more slender than the women.

    [Heartiste: You’re pulling this out of your ass. The raft of studies done on this subject pretty conclusively show a universal male preference for slender women (BMI 17-23) and a universal female attraction preference that puts less emphasis on male weight. Anecdotal observations confirm this: there are plenty of overweight powerful men with hot wives but not so many fat chicks with high value men.]

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    • Actually, you probably shouldn’t believe my story Lara. I’ve posted my picture on various dating sites and have gotten plenty of interest. Fat chicks, some mildly attractive women, and some 7’s, 7.5’s have shown interest. I’m just crazy as hell and unless the women is down to fuck that minute I get angry and think there is something wrong with me. Which there is, but it has nothing to do with what you’re babbling about.

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    • Maybe a little. I guess I should have said I prefer men who are in better shape/more active than I am. I don’t like to workout so it isn’t hard. I agree high status/alpha men can get away with being somewhat overweight, ex. Bill Clinton and Tony Soprano and women still love them. I think the low status ones probably need to be more conscious of keeping their boyish figures, especially for the cougars.

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    • This has got to be some sort of troll. Next, he’ll say he prefers the vibrant, magnetic company of an older woman.
      How overweight, or visibly disgusting is 6’2″ 220 pounds? Most men with some muscle can hit 200 pounds without looking weird. Or you’re just ugly and/or weird.
      There’s some weird projection of men’s desires onto women. Male physical flaws aren’t conversation-killers.
      Then there’s this:

      If you look at most cultures in the world the men are more slender than the women.

      Yes, we see those “cultures,” where female promiscuity is an ingrained side effect to the high testosterone required to actually touch those disgusting women. Your choice, grass hut or ipads because western society and high end asian culture (before the left destroyed it all) value(d) female beauty and male excellence.

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  65. As an African American who is educated, progressive and a genuinely open minded individual, I find this discussion VERY interesting and instrumental in us ALL understanding the ‘powers that be’ and how it is vital to understanding how we perceive others and most importantlyt how we perceive ourselves.

    Its easy to understate, overlook or discount the affect that 400 years of enslavement have had on us African Americans. It affected how we are built Physically, Emotionally, Intellectually, Spiritually…etc. I dont expect people from the West (U.S. and parts of Europe) to be able to fully conceptualize this and give it a true unbiased examination. These thoughts would lead you to think that I am a person who believes that Blacks have a RIGHT to use slavery as an excuse for overly aggressive behavior, mediocrity, government dependence..etc. This is NOT the case. I believe that we use these as crutches to explain things that we do not try hard enough at or things that we dont understand. The ‘White’ man and the societal standards that he has created to judge our IQ and overall value to society is historically, racially and geographically biased. BUT everything is inherently biased. We all have to accept this reality and use it shape our “understanding” of one another. Do whites generally have higher IQ’s? Yes. Are they generally smarter, when we use the metrics set up within western society? Yes. Are caucasians less agressive, more educated and overall more ‘civilized’ than African Americas. The answer to this question is YES. It does not mean that African Americans arent any of these things, we’re just talking raw numbers. It does not hurt my feelings or force me to “hate” my own race by acknowledging these things. I can understand why white people or anybody for that matter who feel that it is unfair and is a ‘cop out’ for Blacks to use the ‘race card’ to explain why they never achieved at things that are valued in our society.

    With that said, it is fair to admit that there is a bit of TRUTH in all sterotypes. Are African Americans generally and genetically Physically SUPERIOR to ALL other races on this planet? Yes. Sports (every american sport except for hockey), Bodybuilding and Olympic statistics TELL US this. It was an evolutionarily neccessity for us to physically dominant and generally more ALPHA than it was for us to break the laws of nature and be ALPHA with our minds, brains and intellect. Despite this, it is unfair and narrowminded of ANYbody despite race, to use these common facts to generally categorize and stereotype a WHOLE group of people any type of way. Not all white guys are submissive, wise, beta thinkers with small penises. Not all black women are overweight, unattractive, baby making machines with attitude problems. NOT ALL Spanish people are Illegal immigrants and NOT all Asian people are good at Math and Engineering.

    Anybody who leans to any extreme end of this spectrum is narrow minded and uninformed. Often, these type of individuals feel threatened by what other races and ethnicities have to offer. Does it make you mad when you or your girl for that matter goes to a porn site and click on the big cock section and 95% of the guys with big dicks are black? Did it make me mad when I looked around in my atmospheric chemistry classes and all the students were of indian descent? Does it make ultra conservative tea partiers mad because our president is black and is argurably more intelligent than any president we have had in the last 25 years? Does it make thugs mad when they realize that all the things that they aspire to have are set within standards that are uniquely European or “white” in their foundation (luxury cars, i.e. BMW’s, Polo Ralph Lauren..etc). We all have to answer the questions and give them some more thought.

    It doesnt matter to me. I date ALL kinds of women and my GAME is international in nature. Puerto Rican Pussy, Black Pussy, White Pussy and Arabian pussy ALL have their own special pro’s and con’s and Im out here experiencing it using the knowledge that I’ve got from sites such as this one.

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    • Does it make ultra conservative tea partiers mad because our president is black and is argurably more intelligent than any president we have had in the last 25 years

      Based on what? Any test scores or grades or assignments that you care to submit as evidence. Oh, and a hearty fuck you on the other part, most patriotic Americans hate socialists, regardless of skin color.
      And again, Jesus, even alleged smart blacks overuse and misapply big words.

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    • This is one steaming pile of kaffir monkeyshit, which one can pick apart totally at random. So absurd it’s funny, as kaffirs tend to be.

      NOT ALL Spanish people are Illegal immigrants

      There are no Spanish people crossing the Rio Grande. Spanish people come from Spain. Latrinos come from Latin America.

      Does it make you mad when you or your girl for that matter goes to a porn site and click on the big cock section and 95% of the guys with big dicks are black?

      No: Because we know Jews control casting in pornography, and as in all their media, purposely feature black males with white females to fuck with our minds.

      Sports (every american sport except for hockey), Bodybuilding and Olympic statistics TELL US this.

      Bodybuilding —

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Strongest_Man#Official_results_.E2.80.93_top_three_places

      You see that one South African flag in third place back in ’96? Yea, Badenhorst … Afrikaaner.

      It was an evolutionarily neccessity for us to physically dominant and generally more ALPHA

      By “dominant”, you mean fast running. A limited specialty, suited only for the savannah (chasing down antelope you know) and the track. Which is why when my race showed up with ships, weapons, and the will to conquer your kind, that’s exactly what happened. And you’re calling yourself alpha, little golliwog?

      You can outrun us, but you can’t outsmart or outgun us.

      The ‘White’ man

      Don’t throw my race into scare quotes, nigger. We exist. I exist. And if you were saying any of this to my face, you would cease to exist.

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      • on December 2, 2011 at 2:32 am John Norman Howard

        Don’t get mad at a chimp for throwing feces… it’s what they do. Even the self-styled “intelligent” ones.

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      • Bravo. Not a single black writer in this discussion has put forward any clarity of thought and the majority of what they have put forward is laughable.

        “Its easy to understate, overlook or discount the affect that 400 years of enslavement have had on us African Americans. It affected how we are built Physically, Emotionally, Intellectually, Spiritually…etc. I dont expect people from the West (U.S. and parts of Europe) to be able to fully conceptualize this.”

        Bull-fucking-shit. Read up on the topic of slavery to the Americas instead of taking in the pop-up-book version. “WHITEY BE DEVIL YO!”

        http://www.ewtn.com/library/HUMANITY/SLAVES.TXT The jist, hundreds of thousands of Irish were sent to the Americas as slaves on slaveships. On top of this,for every one Englishman that went to the Americas, he brought along two Irish slaves as servants. You wonder why some blacks in the United States have lighter skin compared to sub-saharan Africans and Western features? They have more than a bit of Whitey slave in them. Also, the majority of impoverished whites in the south (‘rednecks’) can trace their lineage directly back to slaves.

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      • yes, these two writers aren’t very succinct. KN’s second paragraph is … just wow. It reminds me of Michelle Obama’s Princeton thesis, a collection of words, jumbled together to try to impress the reader that maybe the writer had access to a dictionary. Or as Christopher Hitchens described it, “To describe [the thesis] as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be ‘read’ at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn’t written in any known language.”

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    • 400 years of slavery? That would mean that the ancestral imported
      slaves came mostly around 1465, when America had yet to be
      discovered as far as Europe and Africa are concerned. The bulk
      of slave import was around 1750 or so, plus or minus 50 years,
      which gives an average time of enslavement of around 100+ years.
      Unless you count those who were already enslaved, maybe for
      generations, by other blacks (Arabs were mostly on the African
      East Coast).

      Not that that is much of an excuse.

      However, there is another factor, yes, I am sorry but it is nasty.
      The people sold to white slavers were often at the bottom
      of the local socioeconomic pile, NOT necessarily representative
      of West Africans in general. (I have travelled in, among other
      places, Dahomey (now Benin) and I was impressed by the
      drive, intelligence etc. of the locals. From what I hear, the same
      is true at least in the Ivory Coast.

      Thor

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    • On top of that, white slavery to the Americas existed pre-black slavery (mid 1600s whereas black slavery bagan roughly twenty years afterwards) and continued until 1839 when the British abolished slavery, twenty-six years prior to the American Civil War. Also, the cost of a white Irish slave was much lower than a Black slave from Africa (5 sterling to 50 sterling.) In addition many ‘undesirables’ were shipped over from England and Scotland.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm John Norman Howard

      The real laugher is how those who speak of “the effects of X hundred years of slavery/colonialism on blacks” puff their chests out with Afrocentric pride on virtually the very next breath in re the alleged negritude of ancient Egypt (and other ‘great civilizations’ which existed when ‘Whites were still in caves’).

      Can’t have it bothways, Shaka Zulose.

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  66. “In my experience, given a certain minimum intelligence endowment, concscientioiusness, persistence and the ability to rebound from setbacks are vastly more important to success in life than raw intelligence”

    All those things are correlated with high IQ! That’s why its so important… Those with higher IQ even live longer.

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    • correlation is NOT causation. You should not be connecting IQ and conscientiousness at all.

      Conscientiousness correlates with intelligence because both are: “A proxy for the skills and habits encouraged by a bureaucratic society; skills and habits which can be at once highly heritable (because of strong transmission through family and neighbors) and highly learned (within the scope of what it is biologically possible for humans to learn and internalize).” http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/weblog/494.html

      ——————-

      See von manstein’s (or perhaps it was clausewitz’s?) 4 officer types:

      The brilliant and energetic man makes the best staff officer. He handles routine work with accuracy and completeness.

      The brilliant and lazy man makes the best commanding officer. He tends to see the big picture accurately and avoids preoccupation with detail work which might distract him.

      The stupid and lazy man makes the best subordinate. He will do what he is told properly, no more no less.

      The stupid and energetic man, however, is to be avoided at all costs. He is quite capable of ruining the best laid plans.

      ————–

      Or think back to your own school experience, we all knew underachievers with high SATs and low grades, and grinders with low SATs and high grades.

      A key point is something can be highly heritable and yet have no genetic component whatsoever. Even if it does have a genetic component (like height or IQ) that component can be mutable–based on environmental factors (AS IS EVERYTHING IN BIOLOGY FUCK)

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    • I was going to say the same thing. IQ measures g, which is, basically, problem-solving. Intelligent people are better at figuring out that delaying gratification, conscientiousness (persistence and rebounding from setbacks are just other ways of saying “conscientiousness”), etc., are good ways to solve problems. Laying in front of the TV (the average black American spends SEVEN HOURS watching TV (not that the white American average of FIVE HOURS isn’t disgusting)) is not.

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  67. “As different races continue to fuck each other, races mix, these ancient differences fade, and we end up with sexy Brooke Burke types way more often.”

    I doubt it. Less than 2% of white women marry black men. What’s more likely is a small white minority living in gated communities.

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  68. ***It’s lies, damned lies, and statistics.***

    @ Valiance,

    As Steve Hsu and Razib Khan have pointed out, anyone who understands factor analysis realises that you can have correlations and a single largest factor even if there are no underlying causal reasons (i.e., it is just an accident). Nonetheless, these models may still be useful.

    Prior to the availability of molecular studies the heritability of type II diabetes was estimated at 0.25 using all those methods. Now molecular studies have identified at least 9 loci involved in the disease. There are other examples in relation to height. So you can’t say that heritability studies, with all their seemingly ridiculous assumptions, are worthless.

    In fact, reading Cosma Shalizi closely, you’ll see that he doesn’t think they are either. For instance, he says:

    ***If you put a gun to my head and asked me to guess [whether there are genetic variants that contribute to IQ], and I couldn’t tell what answer you wanted to hear, I’d say that my suspicion is that there are, mostly on the strength of analogy to other areas of biology where we know much more. ***

    Also, in his article on g he seems to accept in the footnotes that intelligence or cognitive ability, as operationally defined by psychologists, is important for economic development.

    ***Cowen points out behaviors which call for intelligence, in the ordinary meaning of the word, and that these intelligent people would score badly on IQ tests. A reasonable counter-argument would be something like: “It’s true that ‘intelligence’, in the ordinary sense, is a very broad and imprecise concept, and it’s not surprising the tests don’t capture it perfectly. But the aspects of ‘intelligence’ they do capture are ones which are vastly more important for economic development than the ones displayed by Cowen’s friends in San Agustin Oapan, however amiable or even admirable those traits might be in their own right.” This would be a position about which one could have a rational argument. (Indeed, I might even agree with that statement , as far as it goes, as might A. R. Luria.) ***

    Even not knowing why these tests work, just analysis of the results shows the tests predict performance and are stable.

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    • wrt molecular studies this just came out:http://www.arts.cornell.edu/econ/dbenjamin/IQ-SNPs-PsychSci-20111205-accepted.pdf

      but I concede that molecular studies do have some use.

      on tyler cowen: something can predict performance, be stable, and heritable, and genetically influenced, and still be greatly mutable (that is if the conception of g holds up). also read again my point on IQ as a proxy for certain (real and useful!) behaviors

      to be clear: I made an all front-attack on g, not because I don’t think some of it is right, I just wanted to make clear how very frail the edifice upon which is stands is. that is, it’s not proven yet.

      [Heartiste: Funny how so little in the way of full-on frontal attacks were and are being made against the reigning orthodoxy of the blank slate, the edifice upon which that stinky ideology stands being much frailer than that undergirding genetically heritable IQ and immutable human characteristics.]

      it may well be, and I think it will be, but we’re waaay farther from there than proponents think. to jump directly from the meager evidence we have to implemented social/governmental policy as the HBDers do is the worst kind of mistake (since they compound their errors by reliance on faulty data and methodology).

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      • that’s because everyone here knows the blank slate is dumb.

        [Heartiste: Maybe most of the readers of this blog know it’s dumb, but most of the general population, including the educated elites, acts as if they believe it to be the word of god. You need look no further than how many tens of trillions of dollars the US government has thrown away on the premise that inequality can be eradicated with the right policy.]

        I’m just warning against going too far in the other direction.

        [The available evidence suggests it needs to go much farther in the right direction.]

        it may very well be that Lander is correct, but I don’t think the jury’s out.

        [The jury may not be out, but it is rapidly convening.]

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  69. ***Cultural differences in the provision of information account for racial differences in IQ.***

    Well, basic chronometric and reaction measures seem consistent with the differences shown on pen & paper tests. There are also the average brain size differences.

    See Pesta, B., & Poznanski, P. (2008). Black-White differences on IQ and grades: The mediating role of elementary cognitive tasks. Intelligence, 36, 323-329.

    http://www.csuohio.edu/business/academics/mlr/documents/Pesta_08_intell_race_iq.pdf

    (2009). Whole-brain size and general mental ability: A review. International Journal of Neuroscience, 119, 691-731.

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    • my journal access died as we were talking and I forgot to come back once it came back online.

      on Peta et al. if the implication is that ECTs point to immutability of g or IQ, I’d point you to the authors’ discussion section: “Whether these differences might arise from differences in environment, nutritional levels, genes or some other factor is an issue in need of further study. ”

      also a study showing that downs syndrome children can improve their reaction time via physical fitness training: THE EFFECT OF PHYSICAL FITNESS TRAINING ON REACTION TIME IN YOUTH WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES
      NECMİYE ÜN YILDIRIM, FATİH ERBAHÇECİ, NEVİN ERGUN, KENNETH H. PITETTI, and MICHAEL W. BEETS
      (doi: 10.2466/06.10.11.13.15.25.PMS.111.4.178-186)

      on the ’09 review: I skimmed that Rushton review, I didn’t see anything glaringly wrong with it, but I’m inclined to be skeptical on principle, given his reputation for shoddy and/or dishonest research. that said, from his conclusion:

      Brain size, of course, is also environmentally sensitive. For example, rats raised in complex environments have thicker cortices and larger brains than rats reared in impoverished environments (Diamond, 1988). This suggests that the direction of causality is bidirectional and complicated by gene–environment correlations and interactions. Genes for GMA likely cause individuals to experience more stimulating and complex environmental situations, thereby increasing their brain size and creating a “benign circle” between brain size and intellectual performance.

      all this is to say: cultural differences could still be at play here, are perhaps causal, and could be both necessary and sufficient for producing the observed IQ differences (note ENVIRONMENTAL differences in both conclusions) and again the relative paucity of evidence on the side of immutability (witness the recent Cornell Chabris et al paper) 😛

      *duplicate comment detected keeps popping up but I havent posted yet* ? do I have like 90 copies of this comment in the queue?

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  70. ***hint: traits that have been under strong selection will show reduced heritability (ie vastly decreased variation)***

    The video below is of the final lecture in Biology 7.012 at MIT (2004), co-taught by Professor Eric Lander, Director of the Broad Institute at MIT and a principal leader of the Human Genome Project, and Professor Robert A. Weinberg, winner of the 1997 National Medal of Science. Weinberg delivers the final lecture.

    Weinberg (@ 32:40): … And what happens if one of these days people discover alleles for certain aspects of cognitive function? Chess playing ability. The ability to learn five different languages. The ability to remember strings of numbers. The ability to speak extemporaneously in front of a class, for what it’s worth, for 50 minutes several times a week.

    Whatever ability you want, valued or not so valued, what if those alleles begin to come out? And here’s the worse part. What if somebody begins to look for the frequency of those alleles in different ethnic groups scattered across this planet? Now, you will say to me, well, God has made all his children equal. But the fact is if you look at the details of human evolution, some of which I discussed with you a week ago, last week, you’ll come to realize that most populations in humanity are the modern descendents of very small founder groups.

    … So the fact is it’s inescapable that different alleles are going to be present with different frequencies in different inbreeding populations of humanity or populations of humanity that traditionally have been genetically isolated from one another.

    It’s not as if all the genes that we carry have been mixed with everybody else’s genes freely over the last 100,000 years. Different groups have bred separately and have, for reasons that I’ve told you, founder affects and genetic drift, acquired different sets and different constellations of alleles. So what’s going to happen then, I ask you without wishing to hear an answer because nobody really knows?

    Then for the first time there could be a racism which is based not on some kind of virulent ideology, not based on some kind of kooky versions of genetics, because the eugenicists in the beginning of the 20th century, as well as the Nazis hadn’t had any idea about genetics, they were just using the word, even though they knew nothing about the science of genetics as we understand it today. But what happens if now for the first time we, i.e., you who begin to understand genetics, begin to perceive that there are, in fact, different populations of humanity that are endowed with different constellation of alleles that we imagine are more or less desirable?

    What’s going to happen then? I don’t know. But some scientists say, well, the truth must come out and that everything that can be learned should be learned, and we will learn how to digest it and we will learn how to live with that. But I’m not so sure that’s the right thing. And you all have to wrestle with that as well. …

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/05/forbidden-thoughts.html

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    • “It’s not as if all the genes that we carry have been mixed with everybody else’s genes freely over the last 100,000 years. Different groups have bred separately and have, for reasons that I’ve told you, founder affects and genetic drift, acquired different sets and different constellations of alleles. So what’s going to happen then, I ask you without wishing to hear an answer because nobody really knows?”

      This is all good, but incomplete. Geography matters. People in cold climates,
      and those who partially live in water (which drains body heat even in the
      tropics) get bigger and fatter than others, to maintain temperature.

      People who live in lethal climates get smarter, a dumb Eskimo is a dead
      Eskimo. (But ability to handle alcohol was not bred in; you cannot ferment
      blubber).

      People in high latitudes got lighter skin.

      People who lived to a large extent on dairy developed genetics
      to retain lactase into adulthood (there are at least two sets of genes
      for this, one for the Masai etc, one for Northern Europeans, result
      is the same).

      Etc.

      Thor

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    • I don’t buy the “inescapable” inevitable nature of his conclusion. I think he’s overstating the magnitude of the founder effects we’re talking about here given the well documented wide range of intra group genetic variation. I’m not sure this is the consensus of the literature rather than one man’s opinion, but I concede he could be correct here. I’d like more to support it than this frankly.

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  71. @ Valiance,

    Another example of recent selection.

    “In my recent book, A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World I argue two things. First that all societies remained in a state I label the “Malthusian economy” up until the onset of the Industrial Revolution around 1800. In that state crucially the economic laws governing all human societies before 1800 were those that govern all animal societies. Second that was thus subject to natural selection throughout the Malthusian era, even after the arrival of settled agrarian societies with the Neolithic Revolution.

    The Darwinian struggle that shaped human nature did not end with the Neolithic Revolution but continued right up until the Industrial Revolution. But the arrival of settled agriculture and stable property rights set natural selection on a very different course. It created an accelerated period of evolution, rewarding with reproductive success a new repertoire of human behaviors – patience, self-control, passivity, and hard work – which consequently spread widely.

    And we see in England, from at least 1250, that the kind of people who succeeded in the economic system – who accumulated assets, got skills, got literacy – increased their representation in each generation. Through the long agrarian passage leading up to the Industrial Revolution man was becoming biologically more adapted to the modern economic world. Modern people are thus in part a creation of the market economies that emerged with the Neolithic Revolution. Just as people shaped economies, the pre-industrial economy shaped people. This has left the people of long settled agrarian societies substantially different now from our hunter gatherer ancestors, in terms of culture, and likely also in terms of biology. We are also presumably equivalently different from groups like Australian Aboriginals that never experience the Neolithic Revolution before the arrival of the English settlers in 1788.”

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2010/07/social-darwinism-21st-century-edition.html

    Steve Hsu also discusses how you could get a shift in heritable quantitative traits:

    “Consider the following simple model, where X is a heritable trait such as intelligence or conscientiousness or even height. Suppose that X has narrow sense heritability of one half. Divide the population into 3 groups:

    Group 1 bottom 1/6 in X; 1 SD above average

    Suppose that Group 3 has a reproductive rate which is 10% higher than Group 2, whereas Group 1 reproduces at a 10% lower rate than Group 2. A relatively weak correlation between X and material wealth could produce this effect, given the demographic data above (the rich outreproduced the poor almost 2 to 1!). Now we can calculate the change in population mean for X over a single generation. In units of SDs, the mean changes by roughly 1/6 ( .1 + .1) 1/2 or about .02 SD. (I assumed assortative mating by group.) Thus it would take roughly 50 generations, or 1k years, under such conditions for the population to experience a 1 SD shift in X.

    If you weaken the correlation between X and reproduction rate, or relax the assortative mating assumption, you get a longer timescale. But it’s certainly plausible that 10,000 years is more than enough for this kind of evolution. For example, we might expect that the advent of agriculture over such timescales changed humans significantly from their previous hunter gatherer ancestors.”

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/08/demography-and-fast-evolution.html

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    • pre-industrial economy shaped people

      even modern economy shapes people.

      cue gbfm…

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    • Up to a point. You can “evolve” a species very quickly by selection,
      ask any animal breeder. But that evolution by selection reaches
      a saturation point when you have collected all the favorable
      (by your selection criteria) genes that are in the population.

      After that you have to wait for mutation, which happens MUCH
      more slowly.

      Thor

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  72. The evidence is indisputable: race and intelligence are facts of life. There are a lot of studies that substantiate these inconvenient truths.

    1. Japanese, Koreans and Chinese score higher on IQ tests than whites, both in the West and in Asia, despite the fact that IQ tests were developed by white people.

    2. Although racial egalitarians will claim that Asian culture emphasizes studying a lot more, which they explain as accounting for their higher IQ scores, there is further evidence supporting the idea that race and intelligence are largely genetic: black-white differences in intelligence persist in forward digit recall. In backward digit recall, the black-white disparity is even higher. Excuse me, but could any of you equalist “experts” explain how recalling digits is culturally, economically or socially biased?

    3. MRI studies show there is a notable correlation with brain size and intelligence. Larger brains contain more neurons and synapses, and process information faster as a result. Racial differences in brain size are present at birth. By the time of adulthood, East Asians average 1 cubic inch more in cranial capacity than whites. Whites average 5 cubic inches more than blacks.

    4. Racial differences in intelligence persist in trans-racial adoptions. The Minnesota Trans-Racial Adoption Study followed children who were adopted by middle class whites until the age of 17. The intelligence disparity was more pronounced at age 17 than at age 7: white children, 106; multiracial children, 99; and black children, 89.

    5. Blacks with more white DNA score higher on IQ tests than fully blacks. In South Africa, the IQ of Colored population is 85, which is between 70, the average black African IQ, and 100, which is the average white IQ.

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    • Easy. It discriminates against people who can’t count and don’t have a traditional relationship with numbers. Lefties are creative.

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  73. Every passing day, the number of complete human genomes that have been decoded and recorded increases. It is thousands already. As the costs come down and the usefull-ness of it goes up, expect to see millions of cases.
    Will it be possible to predict scores on cognitive ability tests from genome analysis? I do not really know but I am sure that it will be an easy thing to study, now or in the near future, and if there is a decent correlation found its game over for the nurture-ists.

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  74. The best predictor of success is the ability to exercise self control not high IQ. While certain ethnic groups are falling behind, the main culprit is lack of self discipline not low IQ. Unfortunately, many of the programs that purport to help these groups do the exact opposite because they strip individuals of this critical skill.

    Here is a piece where I explored the link between section 8 vouchers, lack of self control and spiraling crime rates across the South:

    Poverty Inc.: The Sack of Huntsville

    It centers on a bizarre government scheme several years ago to relocate residents of urban housing projects into luxury apartment complexes through out Huntsville, Alabama, in order to “make a difference in their lives.

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    • True that, FWIW. I’ve met some lazy high IQ types, and while, like the point of the Bell Curve, high IQ people are just on another level, success rarely comes to those who don’t work hard. That being said, hard work and high IQ wins.

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  75. […] GLP rounds up links on the recent race and IQ dust up. I’d add Ilkka, Heartiste, Mangan, and […]

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  76. A person can be very smart, but at the same time, have such a very large ego that it causes him to destroy himself; and/or his enviroment. Many white people are like this. They can produce great and vast things, (even niggers can’t deny this; I know cause Im one of em) solve complex problems…but that huge ego fucks em up.

    Case in point; I know I complain about racism a lot, but white people did produced a system worth improving; but it looks like A SMALL AMOUNT of white people are gonna run it into the ground over greed.

    (((shakin my head)))

    WTF?

    Oh well, maybe thats how racism is supposed to end; with the destruction of the biosphere it was practiced on.

    The entire world is a ghetto.

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    • Oh well, maybe thats how racism is supposed to end; with the destruction of the biosphere it was practiced on.

      Does this remind anyone else of the Christian fervently praying for the end of the world as just recompense for “sin”?

      Sod off, wog.

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    • I wouldn’t say it’s ego. In fact, I think Blacks have higher ego and self-esteem than Whites, while Asians have less. On average.

      I would say that having high IQ but low critical thinking skills is the problem. And most high IQ people use their brainpower not to figure out the truth, but to figure out what would increase their status the most within their in-group.

      There are many high-IQ leftists out there (I think Obama is very smart). It’s just that they are more susceptible to indoctrination. From my own experience, I would say that those more concerned about the truth are much less socially adapted, borderline Aspies (I know because I am one of those people). Sadly, this is also the reason that charismatic, high-IQ, ideological charlatans are the ones who rule the world, and never the more objective, scientific-minded people we truly need as leaders.

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  77. Wow, people actually spend their time arguing on the interwebs?

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  78. What’s particularly vexing (and jaw-dropping) about reading these comments is the thinly veiled (and sometimes blatant) emotional attachment to white supremacy and the deep-seated need to prove that “white people are smarter than black people” as though it’s of some individual consequence!

    As though it’s some badge of honor that people with your skin color tend to do better on IQ tests. Guess what – it doesn’t mean that you’re any smarter than you were yesterday! It doesn’t mean that you’re smarter than black people. So you can stop foaming at the mouth…

    What is the real practical value of these studies and why are the results so important to you? (I can’t see much practical application since we treat people as individuals.) If it really allows you to feel better about yourself as a white man based on statistical findings, well, that’s just pathetic. Most people (of any race) are of average intelligence. Do you really think there’s significant disparity between people who fall within said average range as to affect their ability to function in the world? You’ve got to be kidding me…

    This study does not mean that you’re better than black people. Sorry. And if you need statistical “victories” such as this as an opportunity to cheer for “Team White” because it makes you feel good about yourselves, that’s very sad indeed.

    I am black, a MENSA member, with an IQ in the 99.9 percentile (yeah, yeah, I’ll be accused of lying – but it’s true.) So I’m smarter (or I should say have a higher IQ) than almost all of you. I don’t know anyone in MENSA who would take such glee in studies like these (or irrationally tap into emotions that are usually reserved for personal achievement.) If you do, I would guess you have some serious shortcoming, or are simply not very bright…

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    • Fuck’s sake, man. This isn’t about you, or me, or any specific person, anywhere.

      “What is the real practical value of these studies?” Is that a serious question? Fucking A, son!

      What was the entire premise of the civil rights movement in the United States? That every group of people is exactly equal in ability, and therefore if legal and institutional barriers to black advancement were removed, blacks would rise to the same level as whites in the spheres of education, income, crime, success in life, blah blah blah.

      Has that happened? It has a little, but not really. Blacks as a whole do not have the same outcomes in life that whites do. This is DESPITE enormous transfers of wealth from whites to blacks and overt DISCRIMINATION against whites in favor of unqualified blacks.

      The SWPLs and “anti-racists” and the whole leftist coterie will NEVER question the Equalist Premise, so the failure of blacks to rise to the level of whites will FOREVER continue to be blamed on covert, “structural” white racism.

      Let’s stop being stupid and check our premise. Is there evidence that blacks and whites have equal average IQs? No there is not. Is there evidence against that view? Why yes, there is. In fact, except among the public, it isn’t controversial that blacks and whites have different AVERAGE IQs; the only controversial question is whether it is inherited or not.

      Does this idea have enormous power in explaining what we see in the world related to differences between races? Yes again.

      By the way, does any European-derived person here feel “hurt” by the fact that Chinese/Japanese/Koreans have higher average IQs than Europeans do? Anybody at all? How stupid is that?

      It’s an interesting set of studies that supposedly buttress white supremacy yet unambiguously demonstrate that the highest average IQs are found among East Asians isn’t it?

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    • My comment didn’t have any sort of “blatant” emotional attachment; it merely stated the objective results of several tests on the subject of racial differences in intelligence. It is clear that you are projecting your own animosity onto us. Your first paragraph, which is overwrought with emotions, testifies to this obvious fact.

      Although you proclaim, quite doubtfully I might add, that you are a member of Mensa whose IQ is in the 99.9th percentile, you can’t even comprehend the fact that race and skin color are two completely different subjects. Do you honestly think that we believe a black albino or a black who developed vitiligo are smarter just because they are “white”? Race is a lot more than skin-deep; and if you don’t understand this simple concept, keep your ignorance to yourself.

      While I don’t claim to speak for all race realists, the reason why I am interested in busting the myth that all races are equal is because the political, social and media establishments see black backwardness as the product of what whites are or aren’t doing to them, or what whites did or didn’t do for them instead of seeing black backwardness as the product of their own nature. This leads to misguided white people embracing their misplaced racial guilt and the subsequent phenomenon of western suicide. That you would assume our race realism is the product of arrogance demonstrates one really obvious behavior that you have been engaging in this entire time:

      PRO – JECK – SHUN.

      You are projecting your arrogance and monstrously inflated ego problems onto us because you felt compelled to brag about your doubtful Einsteinian intelligence in your last paragraph, yet you lack the basic analytical skills to compose a half-way intelligent argument. I am an average intelligent person, but I never feel the need to engage in some sort of intellectual cock-waving contest because I am confident with the size of my intelligence. Your compulsion to brag about your non-existent intelligence is your way of feeling better about your stupidity.

      The next time you want to write a comment, try to actually make an argument instead of insulting us.

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    • What is the real practical value of these studies and why are the results so important to you?

      Leftoids dragged Whites into court to pay for “breaking” blacks. Don’t pretend surprise when Whites mount a defense (in this case, “blacks’ leg was already broken.”).

      You’re pointing the finger at the wrong people. If blacks’ feelings were so important, leftoids should have considered them before waking up the dog.

      I’m tired of having my pockets robbed on behalf of you people (who show no gratitude, only a sense of entitlement), only to be told your “failures” (scare-quoted because IMO “black failure” is a leftoid construct, a euphemism for “blacks aren’t white”) are my fault.

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  79. “They can produce great and vast things, (even niggers can’t deny this; I know cause Im one of em) solve complex problems…but that huge ego fucks em up.”

    The main problem with white people is that they are too conscientous. They do what authority tells them to do. A small group of banker psychotics were then able to manipulate whites into working against their own self-interest.

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  80. Ok, Im going to cut through all the bullshit by asking the critical question:

    WHAT is a white person?

    White people wanna discuss race but they never want to define that term with a FUNCTIONAL definition; i.e a definition they are willing to use on themselves. AND all other people who say they are white.

    Lets face it, there is no geographical place called “White land”, so where the fuck did white people come from?

    And don’t give me that “Caucasus” bullshit, cause Chechens ain’t white people according to the white people with nukes. I think the equivalent term for niggers over there is “Cherdnya”.

    So I pose the question:

    Is there a WHITE person in the house, who can explain what a white person is?

    thank you.

    PS– all you nonwhite people shut up and let the white people answer.

    Why?

    Because only a snake knows what a snake is to another snake.

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    • “Lets face it, there is no geographical place called “White land”, so where the fuck did white people come from?”

      Nonsense. As with a lot of things, the boundary is not sharp, unless
      you ad hoc define one. But it is nevertheless real. And the “White land”
      is simply Europe, especially Northern Europe. This has to do with
      getting enough vitamin D through (sparse in winter) sunlight.
      Arctic people like Eskimos are not white, they get the D from
      all the fish oil.

      But “white” becomes a visible marker for simply “European”, or
      “of European ancestry”.

      I think everybody knows this (except the piece about vitamin D maybe).
      Why denying the obvious? It takes years of study to become that
      stupid.

      Thor

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm John Norman Howard

      Nigger, if I thought you truly sought the truth I’d expound on the subject.

      But you’re just looking to stir shit, as per the color of your skin… and explaining things like Scandinavia versus Sub-Sahara to your ilk, or the glories of being able to walk the streets of cities in Switzerland versus Nigeria, well… go back into your loved Egyptian night, Stymie.

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    • To illustrate my point about nitpicking, anyone asking “define White for me” in an aggressive way (as a prelude to their nitpicking) should define green for me; where does green end and blue begin? If you can’t tell me, then has the concept of color been invalidated?

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  81. @ch – “But egalitarians and the SWPL industrial complex know that these softening words cannot contain the horrible, unrelenting, monstrous truth that stalks every cooing syllable. IQ is FUCKING HUGELY IMPORTANT to your chance to live a happy, successful life filled with wonder and glee and gadgets and crime-free neighborhoods in a modern, technofantastical, information-highwayed, cognitively stratifying first world Western nation.

    “The enemies of truth know this, and that is why they tirelessly work to shut down any talk about it, and to smear and slander and shun those who would deign to lift the veil of lies for a peek underneath.”

    almost.

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 1:12 pm John Norman Howard

      Putting something up on your own blog does not constitute mainstream media giving a fair hearing to non-PC issues, toots.

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  82. Really enjoy this site when it’s about gaming girls, but Jesus, when it comes to race topics, this place turns into Stormfront. lame.

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    • Congratulations shithead, you have contributed nothing to the discussion. We can deal with you the same way we deal with whiny, nagging women: The door is right over there.

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  83. Ptonpton

    What’s particularly vexing (and jaw-dropping) about reading these comments is the thinly veiled (and sometimes blatant) emotional attachment to white supremacy and the deep-seated need to prove that “white people are smarter than black people” as though it’s of some individual consequence!

    I’m a non white race realist, so the IQ issue is not about “white supremacy” to me. Besides, white RR’s acknowledge that East Asians have higher IQ’s than whites. I know you won’t respond to this, but I’ll just put it out there just in case.

    As though it’s some badge of honor that people with your skin color tend to do better on IQ tests. Guess what – it doesn’t mean that you’re any smarter than you were yesterday! It doesn’t mean that you’re smarter than black people. So you can stop foaming at the mouth…

    Race deniers make it sound like IQ test are little more than math exams. They do not measure knowledge, they measure cognitive function. Are they prefect? No, those with photographic memories tend to do better on them then those who do not (which explains how you made it into MENSA), but an IQ test is the best tool to measure if IQ we have.

    What is the real practical value of these studies and why are the results so important to you? (I can’t see much practical application since we treat people as individuals.) If it really allows you to feel better about yourself as a white man based on statistical findings, well, that’s just pathetic. Most people (of any race) are of average intelligence. Do you really think there’s significant disparity between people who f all within said average range as to affect their ability to function in the world? You’ve got to be kidding me…

    Practical application of an IQ test: it would easier for one at any end of the bell curve to find their proper niche in society; low grade morons can learn a trade immediately after high school instead of wasting time in a collage they will inevitably drop out of….not to mention acquiring a debt load. Those above average intelligence can be put in advanced placement programs as soon as possible instead of their talent going to waste in public schools.

    This study does not mean that you’re better than black people. Sorry. And if you need statistical “victories” such as this as an opportunity to cheer for “Team White” because it makes you feel good about yourselves, that’s very sad indeed.

    Projection, you believe a more intelligent race is a better race, therefore, we must think the same thing. That is not necessarily the case. I could only count a single RR who said whites are superior in this thread.

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    • Why is it important to observe that average IQs differ between races?

      Well, it might not have been, if we as a society had agreed to
      (pretend) to be color blind. But that is not the case. There is
      a great hue and cry that the under-representation of blacks
      in some profession must be “fixed”, and is somehow a result
      of “discrimination”. (Well, maybe in some cases it is, or was).

      But statistical differences don’t mean a thing here, and
      one (of several) reasons is that there IS a difference in
      average IQ. But I would be all for a color-blind society
      that looked at individuals and did not give a hoot about
      racial statistics. Problem is, I don’t live there.

      And no, IQ is not everything. There are lots of things
      that require special talents that are not captured
      by IQ tests. And there are jobs that are mildly unpleasant
      and or physically demanding, but do NOT require a Bronto-IQ.

      When your pipes freeze in the middle of the night, you
      don’t need a political scientist, you need a freakin’ PLUMMER!
      And they make more money than most people on this blog.

      Thor

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      • Why is it important to observe that average IQs differ between races?

        Well, it might not have been, if we as a society had agreed to
        (pretend) to be color blind. But that is not the case. There is
        a great hue and cry that the under-representation of blacks
        in some profession must be “fixed”, and is somehow a result
        of “discrimination”. (Well, maybe in some cases it is, or was).

        I see – it’s a way to excuse away societal racial inequalities as being based on innate ability. I see that as justification of a worldview, not a practical application.

        I’m not denying that innate abilities may be at play, but I think any thinking person has to admit there are others (i.e. past discrimination) If you really wanted to find out if society needed to be “fixed” or not, you would need to compare high IQ whites, blacks and Asians and their successes/outcomes. I hope you’re smart enough to realize that the studies referenced above DO NOT PROVE that society doesn’t need to be “fixed.” There may be a way to figure that out, but this is not it.

        To me, racial IQ correlations are a mere curiosity, with about as much value as observing that Asians have straighter hair, or white people can process vodka better than other races. Should we outlaw Asians from drinking? No more than we should suggest black people all become plumbers.

        But statistical differences don’t mean a thing here, and
        one (of several) reasons is that there IS a difference in
        average IQ. But I would be all for a color-blind society
        that looked at individuals and did not give a hoot about
        racial statistics. Problem is, I don’t live there.

        No, sadly we do not. People mistakenly using these CORRELATIONS to use race is an INDICATOR of intelligence won’t help with that.

        And no, IQ is not everything. There are lots of things
        that require special talents that are not captured
        by IQ tests. And there are jobs that are mildly unpleasant
        and or physically demanding, but do NOT require a Bronto-IQ.

        True, but not really germane. This is not a question of race.

        If you really wanted to sort society, you’d have everyone wear his or her IQ on placard on his or her chest. It would be far more accurate than sorting by race. But what good would that do you? Would you force low IQ people into certain jobs? Again, no real practical application.

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      • “If you really wanted to sort society, you’d have everyone wear his or her IQ on placard on his or her chest. It would be far more accurate than sorting by race. But what good would that do you? Would you force low IQ people into certain jobs? Again, no real practical application.

        I have not the slightest desire to “sort society”. However, it sorts
        itself to a large extent. I just want to get away from quotas,
        affirmative action, and the mindset that unequal representation
        means discrimination. Or that some laws may have “disparate impact”.
        And a bunch of other guilt trip nonsense.

        Thor

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      • The first 3 paragraphs exactly mirror my thoughts on why race realism matters so much. The Affirmative Action crowd makes it matter.

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    • Race deniers make it sound like IQ test are little more than math exams. They do not measure knowledge, they measure cognitive function. Are they prefect? No, those with photographic memories tend to do better on them then those who do not (which explains how you made it into MENSA), but an IQ test is the best tool to measure if IQ we have.

      I never questioned the validity of IQ tests. Please re-read. I questioned the importance of the data showing race-based IQ correlation.

      Practical application of an IQ test: it would easier for one at any end of the bell curve to find their proper niche in society; low grade morons can learn a trade immediately after high school instead of wasting time in a collage they will inevitably drop out of….not to mention acquiring a debt load. Those above average intelligence can be put in advanced placement programs as soon as possible instead of their talent going to waste in public schools.

      Again. IQ tests are fine and are predictors of individuals’ success in certain areas.

      Projection, you believe a more intelligent race is a better race, therefore, we must think the same thing. That is not necessarily the case.

      I’m not interested in racial competition. I’m more concerned about my own life.

      I could only count a single RR who said whites are superior in this thread.

      Then you haven’t been paying close attention.

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  84. John Norman Howard
    Nigger, if I thought you truly sought the truth I’d expound on the subject.

    Listen pink face,

    The concept of “white person” is a political construct that can only FUNCTION in a system of white supremacy.

    Because who gets to decide who gets to FUNCTION and who does NOT get to function as a white person?

    You and your friends?
    Casper the friendly ghost?
    Frosty the Snowman?

    WTF?

    The last person who tried to produce an accurate definition of what a white person is was murdered and had his nation bombed into the stone age; so what makes you any different from Adolph Hitler?

    If you are really a white person, you should have a definition of what a white person is that is accurate, clear and simple

    But then again, you cannot reveal it, cause if you did, you would be a racist white supremacist.

    The concept of “white person” is a fraud because all people have some color.

    The only way white people can exist is by practicing racism. This is why racism=white supremacy.

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    • “WHAT is a white person?”

      “The concept of “white person” is a political construct…”

      Oh, this mindless crap again.

      Seems everybody’s perfectly capable of defining what a white person is when it involves blaming them for everything, vilifying them, guilt-tripping them, and of course, bleeding them dry. However, the second the script isn’t entirely negative, or we show the merest hint that we’re not conforming to the self-flagellation routine anymore, or worse yet – we show a touch of group-identity (oh dear, can’t have that!) – suddenly we don’t exist. We’re a figment of our own imaginations and so VERY difficult to define!

      Convenient, isn’t it.

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      • There is a story about man who manages to walk home although
        heavily inebriated. A pink elephant (roughly human-sized) is walking
        along with him, following him.

        When reaching his driveway, the elephant refuses to follow him
        up to the house. The man prods the elephant for a while, to no avail.
        Finally, he says (I will not try to type the slurring): “Listen up, pink
        elephant. If you don’t behave, I will take two aspirin, and you will
        be a goner!”

        So, Twack et al, try this: Take two aspirin. See if us white folks will disappear.
        If not, you must needs conclude we exist.

        Thor

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    • on December 2, 2011 at 9:48 pm John Norman Howard

      “White” people is merely a term for the Caucasian race, Sambo… as you well know in your disingenuous and inane bloviating… the semantics of actual color, be it ruddy or tanned or pale are immaterial.

      Clue up… the vast diversity of people who are deemed White, and the standard of beauty which is set as such, is well known, well acknowledged, and well envied by the so-called “colored” races of this planet.

      Now shuffle on off, Kunta Kinte… your zebra’s double-parked.

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  85. If you are really a white person, you should have a definition of what a white person is that is accurate, clear and simple

    People like you want to nitpick definitions because you hate us. But why should we let you. I can nitpick every word you use and we can be here all day, but why would I?

    There’s always the legal definition, for starters. I, as a White man, cannot obtain for myself the legal advantages of being Black. Blacks can. The courts decide these things (or they would, if they had to).

    But you don’t object to that, I suppose. Just when your ox is being gored.

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  86. In reference to the Asians, whites, blacks hierarchy. If your only experience of Asians is Asians in America, then its easy to fall into the trap of thinking that Asians, as a whole are a highly intelligent race. But as someone who has lived in several Asian countries, (Indonesia, Thailand, and the Philippines along with regular visits to Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Japan, ) I can say without hesitation that taken as a whole Asians are the dumbest people on earth. I have lived in nearly every region on earth. America, south America, central America, western Europe, eastern Europe, Asia, etc etc.

    By definition any Asian who gets to America, or to a lesser extent Europe, is going to be among the most intelligent and self motivated people of whatever country they came from. Naturally, having made it to the west, and knowing how earth shatteringly stupid the people they left behind are, they will ensure their children spend as much time as possible developing their minds.

    but trust me, when you live among Asians in Asia, you quickly realise that as a whole, they are tree stump stupid.

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    • I strongly agree that emigrants from a country are
      NOT necessarily representative of the people
      living in the source country. Of course!

      However, I think you are are overstating your case
      about “dumb Asians”. I have talked to Americans who
      have travelled in China, and they are underwhelmed
      by the Chinese. I believe that the Chinese Wirtshaftswunder
      is based mainly on ultra low wages, probably augmented
      by enterprising Whites and Japanese near the top level
      (the latter is a guess, the former is obvious). But I don’t
      believe the Japanese are stupid. You don’t build a vibrant
      high-wage industrial economy on a set of nearly barren,
      resource-poor islands if you are stupid.

      Thor

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  87. Just to complicate the race thing a bit more: civilized Blacks complaining about stupid violent Blacks moving in and ruining civilization

    http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2011/02/housing_crisis_in_metro_detroi.html

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  88. None of these poindexters gave an accurate definition of what a white person is.

    There is no legal definition and no white person will ever give you one because in order to do so, they gotta go where Hitler went.

    And that would be racism right?

    Run the experiment.

    Ask some children if they are a white person and note the age at which they start saying YES.

    Here is further proof that racism=white supremacy:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Felton

    Mr. Felton is not unique because he is only doing what all white people do all the time which is to ACT like a white person.

    Nobody has white skin and many don’t even have white teeth.

    Its a fraud.

    White people can only FUNCTION as white as long as they have the ability to classify other people as nonwhite.

    White people are not a mystery, they are a fraud and a conspiracy.

    You been flim flammed

    You been hoodwinked,

    You been-bam-boozled!

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    • on December 4, 2011 at 2:26 pm John Norman Howard

      You again?

      Do you actually think we care about your attempt to shame with the whole “going where Hitler went” bullshit?

      The way you jigaboos carry on, we don’t need to justify White supremacy…it’s (as you folk say) a “natchal fact”.

      Turn a Nigeria into a Switzerland and we’ll talk about equality. Hell, natural resources-wise, one would think the former would have a vast advantage… that is, until one admits that a nation’s folk make up the only true natural resource.

      And the way things are going, fewer White people in the future are going to run like scared rabbits at being called racist… some are even going to begrudgingly admit that maybe that Hitler fellow wasn’t so wrong after all.

      Now beat it, chump.

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  89. Here is an experiment to help the nonwhite people avoid being harmed by the white supremacists:

    OBSERVED PHENOMENON

    A non white person is “uncomfortable” (feels guilty) suspecting ANY White person with the ability to practice racism of being a racist suspect.

    HYPOTHESIS

    A non-white person, lacking the language to describe the logic of suspecting all White people with the ability to practice racism White supremacy of being White supremacists, is left with nothing more than a “gut feeling”. A racist suspect will exploit this vulnerability by firing volley after volley of words at a said victim until this “gut feeling” is reduced and stifled by the victims own uncertainty.

    For example:

    When a person says: “Im just a White person…Im not in the “klan”, Im not a “skinhead”…most of my friends are Black…this is reverse racism!… I can’t believe you are into this “hate White people thing”…you are being divisive!…oh my God…I can’t believe you are saying this…bla bla bla…squonk squonk squonk…”

    The non white person lacking the language to describe the logic of suspecting a White person may be a White supremacist then feels “unreasonable”…”uncomfortable”… GUILTY!

    This experiment is designed to:

    A. Provide a victim of racism with the counter racist thought, speech and/or action (logic) to remain “comfortable” (confident) while revealing truth about the system of racism White supremacy.

    B. Make a White person reveal the effective mechanism for identifying which White people are White supremacists.

    EXPERIMENT

    Part 1

    1. Ask the critical question: “Are you a White person?”

    YES

    2. Ask the next logical question: “Are you a White supremacist?”

    NO

    Part 2

    Inform the White person of their racist suspect status in a system of racism White supremacy. After they say what they want to say and calm down, continue with the experiment by asking these questions: (make sure you get a yes or no answer)

    3. “are there any White supremacists on this planet?”

    4. “Are there any White supremacists on this continent?”

    5. “Are there any White supremacists in this country?”

    6. “Are there any White supremacists in this (city, town, village…)?

    7. “Are there any White supremacists in this room? (if in a vehicle, use that or what ever space you and the racist suspect occupy)

    At what ever point the racist suspect decides to say “NO”; ask them what mechanism prevents a White supremacist from existing in the stated space.

    8. Record the White persons answer and check it for evidence of its utility as a mechanism EFFECTIVELY identifying which White people are White supremacists.

    9. Remind the White person of their racist suspect status in a system of racism White supremacy.

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    • on December 7, 2011 at 8:04 am John Norman Howard

      Sambo, just be thankful that White people aren’t as racist as you darkies… if we were, there wouldn’t be a shitskinned face on the North American continent… we’d have done to your kind what you chimps did in Haiti and what you’re currently doing in South Africa and Rhodesia… and more’s the pity our Founding Fathers didn’t have the foresight to send you all back to Africa to stew in your own messes when repatriation would have been a relatively simple matter.

      9. Remind the White person of their racist suspect status in a system of racism White supremacy.

      What a laugh… YT is such a bad guy, and his system is based upon White Supremacy… yet you darkies can’t wait to flock to wherever White people live and enjoy the higher standard of living for yourselves… mostly at our expense, while we have to put up with your bad-mouthing… talk about being so stupid as to bite the hand that feeds!.

      Do yourself a favor… don’t go advising your likewise lunk-headed bruthas to be reminding White people of anything… nothing good will come of it in the future, because White people are waking up to the whole race-baiting gambit… and the time is coming when enough of us will be more explicit about not wanting or needing your kind around us.

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    • lol Science at work.

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  90. Thank god for the sickle cell.

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  91. But it seems that only the first generation Asians score higher than other races than whites, while scores of third and fourth generations are almost identical to the average population score. Because Asians almost exclusively marry within their race, doesn’t that suggest that it is not their genetics but their cultural aspects that increase their average? (If it was genetics then the third and fourth generations should be scoring equally as well as their immigrant parents/grandparents)

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    • Many the first wave of immigrates had higher IQ’s…

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    • Regression to the mean.

      If the high IQs of foreign-born Asians who immigrated to the
      US (or any mostly [for how long?) “white” country) are
      outliers and the baseline population is the same as for
      whites (or lower), then regression to the mean would make
      the subsequent generations – well – regress towards the
      mean for the population from which they sprang.

      Thor

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  92. Ptonpton

    I never questioned the validity of IQ tests. Please re-read. I questioned the importance of the data showing race-based IQ correlation.

    My mistake.

    The importance of a race-based IQ correlation would go a long way in removing the anger blacks have towards whites,, instead of blaming this omnipresent, Emanuel Goldstienish “white oppression”.Blacks would be more likely to accept the fact the economic success of a race is largely the result of IQ.

    More hard work, less kill whitey”. At least that’s my theory..

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  93. Anonymous bloats

    But really, you guys are some dumb as shit racists if you don’t think for a second that growing up in an impoverished background, with worse schooling and less opportunity to focus on learning will not affect IQ/SAT/ whatever fucking measure of intelligence you choos

    We dumb shit racist know stupidity creates poverty, not the other way around…

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  94. I wonder if anyone would tell blacks during Black History month that they shouldn’t celebrate because race is a social construct…Or say blacks shouldn’t be proud to black because race is social construct..

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