Still Playing Games

I had a date with a 29 year old.

Remember that number:  29.

She texted me 15 minutes before the date to say she’ll be late, so I arrived even later than my usual 10 minutes late. When I walked in the bar, she was making an obvious show of enjoying the flirtatious attentions of two men sitting on either side of her. When we sat down at an outdoor table she told me how this seating arrangement would “discourage me from putting my hands all over her”. She claimed she couldn’t recall where we first met or what I said to her. She said she only dated men who paid for dates. She told me she gets bored easily*. The first question out of her mouth was “Are you a player?”. Shit test after shit test after shit test. Shit infinitum.

So I did the only thing a normal, reasonably well-adjusted man with a sense of personal dignity would do — I amped up my game to 11 and showed her the time of her life. I told her great stories that made her laugh, I touched her to get her comfortable with what would happen later, I pushed her away gently when she tried to give me a hard time, I qualified, I backturned, I cut short her boring conversations, I tapped into her emotions, I bounced her to new venues, I future projected, I ran the Love Test* (poon patented), the Cube, and Marry Fuck Kill. I read her palm. We psychoanalyzed other couples together. I explained the significance of her digit ratio. I danced with her on the street.

I drew her into my world and out of hers.

I took her home and culminated the night with hours of torrid, sweaty, passionate, body-shaking pornstar fucking lovemaking…

…and then I deleted her number.

I don’t care how hot you are, if you think you can get away with playing the same flaky, retarded, annoying female head games at 29 that you played at 22 you are sadly mistaken. Life is too short for your delusions of grandeur. Find a needy beta who will lap up your runny shit.

Last night was fun.

*Anytime an American girl tells you she “gets bored easily” you should immediately scratch her off your potential girlfriend list. I am saving you a lot of headaches with this advice.





Comments


  1. on July 3, 2008 at 3:34 pm M. Bradwell

    As opposed to when an un-American girl tells you that?

    Love for the commies?

    The Che picture makes more sense now.

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  2. Sociopath.

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  3. The truth follows that asterisk.

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  4. Sounds like you two were meant for each other. ;o)

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  5. Was she shaved?

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  6. The real problem is that American Women feel that at 29 they are still 19, therefore it must be true.

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  7. You ran the Cube? *ugh*. I’m not saying it’s ineffective; quite the contrary. But doesn’t using want to make you puke? That and strawberry fields. I could never get it to feel authentically me. How did you get past that?

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  8. What are Love Test, the Cube, and Marry Fk Kil?

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  9. Oh, dear. I suppose a non-needy beta could just walk away. That’s an awful lot of work for just one night. Was she really THAT hot?

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  10. M Bradwell, was that a joke? Try again.

    Gandalfe, YOU. SHALL NOT. PASS!

    On the serious tip, that chick has probably been 29 for the last three years

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  11. Why do Anonymous and Gannon have the same fractal comment ID thing?

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  12. @Eurosaba
    For some guys, doing this stuff is automatic. It’s like flicking an auto-pilot switch. Secondly, any good “player” enjoys the thrill of the hunt, even with ‘lesser’ prey. Combine those two elements and terming it ‘work’ is not right.

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  13. If what you say is true then the problem was simply that she was a bitch.

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  14. on July 3, 2008 at 4:41 pm M. Bradwell

    DF,

    I’ll remember that should I ever have the desire to amuse you.

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  15. “Anytime an American girl tells you she “gets bored easily” you should immediately scratch her off your potential girlfriend list. I am saving you a lot of headaches with this advice.”

    no kidding!

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  16. on July 3, 2008 at 5:10 pm SeaFighter HSV

    A lot of the Perry Class Frigates are 29 years old. Hmm, what should the Navy procure to replace them? Maybe…Me? I could be a good mothership platform for UUVs.

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  17. Please share the roissy patented Love test with us.

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  18. Fantastic.
    The funny thing is…

    Years from now when she’s having sex with her husband/ex-husband/betaboy…

    She’ll think back on that one perfect “date” she had with you…and wonder why you didn’t call back…

    That’s pretty much the “bitch-slap of the ages” right there.

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  19. Roissy, you are such a pathologically passive aggressive idiot. Either that or you just made the whole thing up, which is a distinct possibility We know how you love shit storms.

    She had “the time of her life”? If this little scenario is true, she had the mind fuck of her life. A sane mature assertive man would have simply cut the date short. YOU had to take everything she said and did PERSONALLY as if the world revolves around you!

    My diagnosis today is Narcissistic Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder. But I prefer Mind-Fucking Toxic Bachelor. Rest assured that you got your bitter revenge and she is probably quite devastated to have unwittingly trusted a man who turned out to be “not different from the rest” but much worse.

    The great news is, maybe it will wake her up. It often takes great trauma to do that. Yes, yes, yes, she was asking for it, wasn’t she? And YOU were too, sweet prince. I think someone needs to buy you an alarm clock and strap it to your head. LOL

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  20. on July 3, 2008 at 5:36 pm SeaFighter HSV

    How was her poop deck?

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  21. @Animus,

    Yeah, true, but as someone who wants everything to be easy (because I’m so depressed that I fold at the first sign of resistance/rejection), I tend to resent people who put barriers in the way of win-win outcomes. A lot of my bad attitude about women and pick-up vanished when I began regarding it as the challenge of getting my mind to do useful things on the road to intimacy, but I really have no tolerance for that kind of fake-winnowing that relies on an excess of beauty and an excess of men (as infinitely disposable, renewable resource.)

    It may be that at 34 and having always lived with “The Wall” in my face I am a lot less tolerant of others’ bad behavior. Then again, someone has to take care of the women y’all don’t want.

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  22. I still run the cube.

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  23. too bad you deleted her number because you sound perfect for each other.

    =)

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  24. Roissy, I don’t know how you will ever be able to top that, but you have really outdone yourself with this one. I can have fun chatting with some of the other guys here, but reading your post today? Well it really creeps me out. On the bright side, it may keep me from ever posting here again, and saving a lot of time. It was JUST that “good”. Truly boycott worthy. In my book you are nothing but a creep. You like to put all kinds of intellectual rationalizations behind your de-evolutionary behavior. Still I believe in your worthiness as a human being, but think you are unaware of the ramifications and consequences of your choices such as you describe here. Good luck! My alarm is ringing.

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  25. on July 3, 2008 at 5:54 pm Usually Lurking

    Before anyone gets their panties in a twist…

    Roissy simply did the male equivalent of some girl letting some guy buy her dinner (or more) KNOWING that he would not get anywhere.

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  26. I am really deeply questioning as to why I have a “serious” g-friend now. I used to do this shit (as Roissy describes) and it was fun. I remember how I once was. I was running game, opening sets…and I got used to it. It was a way of life. I was content as a single man, no regrets. My current state of affairs is not as fun, though. Roissy, I hope this shit is true, as I am living through your stories of lustful splendor. I need to get on that horse again…and let it ride….

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  27. LOVE IT! (long time reader, first response)

    I can see why Sara is fired up, but I doubt the animosity that is displayed in the email (because it’s FUNNY) was effident on the date. Any girl would have read that immediately and ejected asap.

    Props for continuing and improving! what was headed South from the start. You showing her a good time was evidence you are NOT “toxic”.

    Toxic is pandering to a gaming girl, giving up when shit tested and thinking, “Aw, gee whiz, Wally, guess she doesn’t like me.” 😦 Suck on that cocktail for a while, that IS poison!

    Keep ’em coming.

    DC

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  28. Sara and Sara

    Please for the last time…. for the love of fucking God…. eat a Mexican Dick and shut the fuck up!

    No one cares what you think

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  29. on July 3, 2008 at 6:21 pm M. Bradwell

    UL,

    Well, maybe a little more than that. Like deciding a guy is a fratty jerk during the first 5 minutes of a date (maybe he is, maybe it’s just a schtick ‘cuz he thinks you’re pretty and sometimes is awkward), and then planning and implementing the following: doing your best to be the wittiest woman on the planet, getting him to divulge secrets about, say, his troubled relationship with his mom, laughing at his jokes, making him feel completely at eas, and then, at the end of the night working him up into a lather and promising, one way or another, more to come—then not returning his calls, running into him the next week when you’re out with your best girlfriends, and then calling him a “momma’s boy” and giggling, which causes your friends to giggle along, because you are the queen bee—which of course leads him to think that you shared this personal thing about his mom with these other women and you are all laughing about something personal that he is embarrassed he even cares about and that he had never confided in anyone about before.

    Kind of like that.

    Notice that the sex/initimacy flip in my story is meant to reflect the stereotyped assumptions of many on this site regarding which value which gender places on each.

    I think sara has it right. Rina isn’t coming around, so I think I’ll leave.

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  30. Sara and Sara

    Please for the last time…. for the love of fucking God…. eat a Mexican Dick and shut the fuck up!

    No one cares what you think

    Cosigned. Seriously Sara, shut the fuck up already. Like a lot of modern American women, you seem to think everyone finds your thoughts as fascinating as you do.

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  31. “Notice that the sex/initimacy flip in my story is meant to reflect the stereotyped assumptions of many on this site regarding which value which gender places on each.”

    I am not sure what this means…does this brain fart make sense to anyone?

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  32. 20: How was her poop deck?

    SeaFighter HSV is the funniest poster on here, hands down.

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  33. You “drew her into YOUR world”? LOL. With all those tests and games you were running on her, it sounds like you drew her into MYSTERY’S world.

    Still, congrats on the F-close (if it really happened).

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  34. Good stuff. It’s been a long time since I’ve run the Cube. I gotta start pulling that one out again…

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  35. Assuming this actually happened, why not just keep her as a casual fuckbuddy? If the sex really was as “earth-shaking” as you describe, it’s pointless to just throw that away. Ride it out for a month or two and then let it fade.

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  36. Good job Roissy.

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  37. I dunno, I see it as a waste of time. A waste of Roissy’s time — the girl was not going to be anything but a meaningless hookup, and the girl needed IMHO a quick dumping and an honest reason WHY. A wakeup call: she’s not 19, but 29.

    The woman in question is unlikely to be with a “beta.” Most men are betas, don’t want to be players, if they had enough “game” to land her with her attitude, they’d be having sex with younger and prettier woman. A beta, most likely, will not put up after years and years of rejection that sort of game playing — sex is available either through prostitution or pr0n, and affection through pets. [No dirty jokes please, I’m serious.]

    Everyone loses.

    Sara, can’t you see what’s happening?. The woman ended up predictably with sex and dumping, because she demanded “game” and “excitement” and a guy competing with other guys. A “boring” guy who maybe isn’t whispering exciting stuff in her ear late at night (but won’t be doing that to OTHER girls either) probably would have made her happy — but she’ll never get him.

    The woman herself is likely boring 99% of the time (when she’s not having sex and her pure physical appeal is at play). Most people ARE boring, do boring things, because even the most exciting job in the world (Rock Musician) is boring — requiring hours and hours of boring, solitary practice to be good.

    Women in particular can live a “celebrity/princess” fantasy where every second is an exciting, whirlwind luxury-fest. Life is not like that. A lesson this woman needed to learn.

    Her BEST outcome is marrying a guy 7-10 years older, who won’t put up with BS, and would have made that clear by breaking up with her once or twice and having other women in the interim. Who would be far less exciting or interesting than her fantasies. Most likely, a kid by some playa, some more aging playas, and life alone.

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  38. It feels good to be ‘on’ and pass each test, but by accepting the testing path she lays you are (a) reacting to her retarded behavior (b) re-enforcing the biological need for testing, maybe you are hiding something after all.

    Past one or two tests I’d snap her out of her test trance.

    Regarding “I get bored easily”, I wouldn’t take it at face value. It’s her girlie attempt at game the implied message being (a) I am the prize or (b) I may get bored with you.
    Well guess what, my dick gets easily bored too, he requires a lot of attention. Do you have a black belt in b/j’s? *smile*

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  39. Byron wrote about the difference in frankness of expression between English and Spanish girls, but it could just as well have been about younger vs. older females (there’s a hint of that):

    http://readytogoebooks.com/LB-GOC60.htm

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  40. on July 3, 2008 at 8:51 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @19 Sara

    “My diagnosis today is Narcissistic Passive-Aggressive Personality Disorder.”

    Armchair Pschoanalizing much?

    Unlike Vk and some others, I wanna hear what you have to say. Because its better then dizzie’s screeds.

    We don’t need to vote the girls off the island. If this becomes an all male site, with only femi-nazis raiding for female content provision.

    Then the only insights from the female mine will be all reactionary trash. Thats about as valuable as chic lit that rubber stamps the Player scene with total unthinking approval.

    You players need female feedback, I will leave it to you to figure out why. (hint the woman evolves, and old routines will begin to fail)

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  41. Agnostic, the great love of Byron’s life was his (English, and older) sister. He had a number of homosexual encounters with younger men, and seems to have felt some sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children as well. In short, he’s not much of a go-to man for generalizations about the female sex.

    Miss 29 in Roissy’s story sounds to me like a woman trying to place herself on guard against “players”, not looking out for one. I can’t see that she deserves that level of hostility from him after the fact, especially if the “lovemaking” was really that wonderful. I mean, didn’t he get what he wanted? I’m puzzled, too, by the way this post seems to hint that a large part of his thrill in this encounter was in the emotional drama. You boys keep saying you like it simple; why put yourselves through this kind of thing, then?

    I never was and never will be able to make sense of the emotional logic that governs the hookup culture, especially that of its male adherents.

    Clio

    p.s. Being 22 and gorgeous is no protection against this kind of treatment, to judge by the stories I’ve heard over the years.

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  42. on July 3, 2008 at 10:17 pm Usually Lurking

    at the end of the night working him up into a lather and promising, one way or another, more to come…

    Kind of like that.

    Nothing like that.

    At the end of the night, she was, presumably, satisfied.

    To quote:
    …I touched her to get her comfortable with what would happen later [that night, not later in their marriage], I pushed her away gently when she tried to give me a hard time, I qualified, I backturned, I cut short her boring conversations

    Are these the messages of a man who is looking for lifelong commitment? He might as well looked her right in the face and said, “I have no respect for you and only want you as a fuck-toy”. But, she was obviously looking to play games, so, he played games.

    She got what she wanted earlier in the night and he got what he wanted later in the night.

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  43. on July 3, 2008 at 10:19 pm Usually Lurking

    You boys keep saying you like it simple; why put yourselves through this kind of thing, then?

    Some imply that they want something simple, but they don’t.
    Some imply that they want something simple, and they do.
    Some absolutely love the hunt and, therefore, love a good, not so simple, game. Especially when they “win”.

    But we all know why we do what we do when it comes to sex: it’s the sex.

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  44. on July 3, 2008 at 10:28 pm M. Bradwell

    UL,

    So if this was a typical one-night stand, why is everyone backslapping him for deleting her number?

    If all he had done was get all handsy and control the convo., fine. But he got her to trust him, not just to want him. He, reportedly, made her laugh, tapped into her emotions, analyzed other couples with her, pulled some routines to create instant intimacy.

    She said she didn’t want a player. Instead of changing her mind, he did everything in his power to make her feel special.

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  45. It’s worth pointing out that, since today is Thursday, Roissy (reportedly) did all this shit on a Wednesday night. What the fuck? I barely have time to work out and grab a cheeseburger.

    And for anyone who didn’t catch why Roissy deleted the number:
    1) She expected him to pay for a bunch of shit
    2) She required a whole hell of a lot of work on a Wed night date
    3) She provided absolutely no joy of companionship outside sport fucking

    Seriously, women who try to run game and shit test non stop are fucking boring. A date with a girl like that is like solving a Rubik’s cube; you know exactly what’s going to happen and when, and it’s just a matter of spending all that damn time twisting around. No matter how great the sex is, you’re not going to keep an irritating, boring girl around for it; there’s too many interesting and friendly ones ready and willing.

    Bradwell – When an American girl says she gets bored easily, it means she expects you to provide entertainment, primarily by buying her shit. On the other hand. it is perfectly acceptable, for, say, a French girl to say she gets bored easily. In that case it means she’ll want to switch positions every three minutes.

    Seafighter – he probably had her whole topside Dog Zebra. With ramming speed on I bet she was probably taking green water over the brow.

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  46. UL, you’ve missed several of my points. The most important were a) that I didn’t see why this woman irritated Roissy so much, if indeed they were both playing the same game, and b) why he believes or wishes to believe that he one-upped her in some way. If they both got what they wanted/expected, surely they’re both winners?

    But of course the implication of his story, in which he may in fact be mistaken (supposing the story isn’t just a semi-fiction), is that she didn’t get what she wanted, that in some way he misled the woman into expecting him to call her again, perhaps, as M. Bradwell says, by persuading her to trust him.

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  47. Edit: brow -> bow. Yikes.

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  48. In short, he’s not much of a go-to man for generalizations about the female sex.

    He properly observed a key difference between English and Spanish women, whatever he may have been up to in his personal life.

    UL, you’ve missed several of my points

    I think you should a new internet abbreviation: YMSOMP.

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  49. Er, you should *coin* a new abbreviation.

    Pronounced “yim-sawmp.”

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  50. on July 3, 2008 at 11:35 pm M. Bradwell

    Jewcano,

    Why not just walk? That’s what I don’t get. Odds are, she wasn’t a very nice girl, or maybe she was mad that she told him he was going to be late, and he didn’t tell her the same thing.

    But the money thing was appalling.

    I just don’t find it appalling enough to put that much energy into hurting someone. Also, in a weird way, I think it reflects a certain kind of self-loathing. In other words, like he feels he has to prove he can meet her standards, and then dump her. (“See, I’m what you really want, but I don’t want you.”) I recognize the impulse–I think many people have had it when they have certain expectations foisted on them or are dumped–but I find the follow-through to be, well, kind of sleazy.

    I was once being pursued by a guy who pretty deeply offended me when he managed to give me the idea that his interest in me was due to the fact that I was ethnically appropriate, looked pretty and femme in makeup, and was educated enough to be acceptable to someone of his intellect. (You’re wife material! But because you look the part and have the credentials.) What would the roissy-like response have been to that level of insult?

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  51. on July 3, 2008 at 11:47 pm Steve Lurkel

    nice work, Roissy!

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  52. Too much work for one casual lay unless she was incredibly hot or one was out for the challenge.

    However, I must agree in principle. If a twinkie started the date like she did I would switch gears and twist her psychology into a pretzel so she didn’t know which way was up before dumping her sorry ass. No need to lay her in my book, but YMMV.

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  53. […] Still Playing Games I had a date with a 29 year old. Remember that number:  29. She texted me 15 minutes before the date to say […] […]

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  54. One of the really, really counter-intuitive things about The Game is learning not to resent women’s bad behavior when the dynamic is that their “bad behavior” cuts your sex life off at the knees but leaves the rest of the world unaffected. You can either walk around a seething mass of resentment, read newspaper reports of rape-murders for shits & giggles, start cutting up whores yourself, or shrug and roll with it and learn game.

    One of the most destructive things about masculinity as constructed in America is the OBLIGATION to have an effect on the world, which is the origin of a lot of acting-out. Perhaps more Zen cultures would have a more compassionate take on it, but I doubt it, since Japan leads the world in spectacularly dismembered sex workers. Or, how do you gouge some bitch’s eyes out when there is no spoon?

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  55. on July 4, 2008 at 1:12 am Usually Lurking

    So if this was a typical one-night stand…

    I am curious, what part of my comment are you referencing here?

    From Bradwell:
    But he got her to trust him…

    From Roissy:
    I pushed her away gently when she tried to give me a hard time, I qualified, I backturned, I cut short her boring conversations…

    …create instant intimacy…

    She shit-tested. He played games.

    She said she didn’t want a player. Instead of changing her mind, he did everything in his power to show her that he was a player.

    Then, she got naked.

    Your ability to follow logic is almost as good as Sara’s.

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  56. on July 4, 2008 at 1:16 am Usually Lurking

    UL, you’ve missed several of my points. The most important were a) that I didn’t see why this woman irritated Roissy so much, if indeed they were both playing the same game, and b) why he believes or wishes to believe that he one-upped her in some way. If they both got what they wanted/expected, surely they’re both winners?

    I followed the whole thing.

    All I am saying is this: You wanted to know why some guys say one thing (“I want simplicity”) but do another (“Ooh, I get to game her”). And I gave my answer.

    Whether or not he won in this situation, I don’t know; or care.

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  57. alias clio,

    The first long paragraph (starting with “She texted me…”) recounts the woman’s actions that irritated Roissy. The implied complaint seems to be that the woman’s sense of entitlement was unbecoming, being a toothless crone of 29. In other words, that she was arrogant.

    Also, of course she didn’t get what she wanted. She didn’t want a one-night-stand, or she wouldn’t have subjected him to such an elaborate interview. She is no doubt bewildered that Roissy is now ignoring her after showing so much interest and acing the exam.

    Yes, the people who are saying women do this all the time are right, but Roissy is boasting about inflict emotional pain on the girl here.

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  58. Futilius/Clio,

    She deserved it. Female behavior in the 21st century needs a real attitude adjustment. Real Men™ fuck women into the ground and routinely do so a handful of hours after they meet them. Start to finish it has never taken me more than 6-8 hours to get a woman in between the sheets. I have a real hard time getting worked up over a consensual sex act… especially when if she had shown some maturity and self-control she could have avoided the whole player scenario to begin with.

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  59. The woman wanted a player (by her actions: flirtiing with other guys, various tests, etc.). She got one. With what comes from it.

    If she were a friend recounting this, my advice would be: avoid those dates. Observe a guy closely at work or someplace else to assess his character. ASK HIM OUT. Have a pleasant date devoid of games to merely socialize. Have another if you liked it, and proceed from there.

    The woman wanted instant excitement, romance, the guy competing with other guys, and so on. Which might be acceptable in an immature 19 year old, not in a woman ten years older. She got EXACTLY what she demanded. She should not be shocked.

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  60. on July 4, 2008 at 2:48 am M. Bradwell

    UL, do keep up.

    This is the part of your comment I was referring to, if you need someone to connect the dots:

    “Are these the messages of a man who is looking for lifelong commitment? He might as well looked her right in the face and said, “I have no respect for you and only want you as a fuck-toy”. But, she was obviously looking to play games, so, he played games.”

    I never said anything about commitment, lifetime or otherwise. So that’s pretty rich of you to say I’m being somehow illogical, when what you are referring to seems to be a one-night stand.

    Also interesting is your selective quoting of the post, since I actually used some of r’s language, you should have realized that this is what I was referring to:

    “I tapped into her emotions, I bounced her to new venues, I future projected, I ran the Love Test* (Roissy patented), the Cube, and Marry Fuck Kill. I read her palm. We psychoanalyzed other couples together. I explained the significance of her digit ratio. I danced with her on the street.

    I drew her into my world and out of hers.”

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  61. “…I don’t care how hot you are, if you think you can get away with playing the same flaky, retarded, annoying female head games at 29 that you played at 22 you are sadly mistaken.”

    Mean Girl 0, Roissy 1

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  62. There are some seriously disturbing things being written on this site.

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  63. I have found most of this blog entertaining, but after reading this post I felt sort of sad for the author. (And I’m a straight male.)

    There are guys who sleep with a lot of women who aren’t complete jackasses, but evidently not this guy. You know, sex is actually better in the context of a love affair — even a short one.

    Also, what a waste of time and effort. Why not just get a girlfriend, get married, have sex whenever you want, and then pour all your effort into doing something productive with your life. Write a novel. Go to grad school. Work for world peace. Fight for human rights. Contribute to science. Do something other than just running around trying to see if you can trick a girl into sleeping with you and then acting like an asshole to her and then boasting about it on the internet. Sheesh.

    Note that I am giving this fellow the benefit of the doubt here. I half suspect that his story is somewhat embellished.

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  64. I am man, I love women, I love sex and have had many lovers in my lifetime. I enjoy reading this site; but the depth of hatred towards women (and occasionally vice versa) expressed by some of the respondents is really disturbing. Perhaps it is time to find a new site which can deal with these same topics in a more light hearted and fun way. Reading things about “how to do you gouge some bitch’s eyes out” is seriously sick stuff. It is not funny even if it is a failed attempt at humor.

    What we have here a lot of men who have been hurt by women they loved and never gotten over it. Hence the vindictive tone of so many posts here. Plus I think a lot are just internet posers whose experience with sex has never gone beyond masturbating to porn but who can pretend to be serious studs online.

    I am sure some of the people are honest but I sense many are not.

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  65. I will no longer be reading or contributing to this sick site.

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  66. You players need female feedback, I will leave it to you to figure out why. (hint the woman evolves, and old routines will begin to fail)

    No one has any problem with female feedback, and there is a lot of good female feedback on this site. Sara on the other hand just screeches for the sake of hearing herself screech and never offers anything of substance.

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  67. The true alpha male has what many of this site lack: class, dignity, integrity and a genuine concern for others.

    The true alpha male is not a slave to his passions, he can control himself. If he does not like a girl on a date, he simply ends it gracefully and walks away. He does not put himself in any way in possession of her mind games. He knows that reading a book, or climbing a mountain, has more inherent value than casual sex with a immature girl.

    How hard is it to get laid these days anyways? Big deal.

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  68. I can’t understand why some are criticizing roissy for how he managed that scenario. The bitch deserved it.

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  69. on July 4, 2008 at 4:50 am SovereignAmericanMale

    41 alias clio

    “p.s. Being 22 and gorgeous is no protection against this kind of treatment, to judge by the stories I’ve heard over the years.”

    The real problem is that all humans are now replaceable regardless of Hot looks, gender or age. For any perceived cause, commitment and total loyalty can be, and is discarded more often by the recent rationale, called “being true to yourself” line of thought.

    While we are at it…
    Fuck sacrifice, and fuck getting to know the compatibility of a mate… Fuck it… I got the milk. I don’t need the cow. There will always be a cow ready to milk.

    No Fault divorce needs to be upgraded to No Fault breakups and No Fault one night stands.

    Tragic I think.
    My values have become old school. I want The One, and no more empty meaningless sex.

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  70. SovAmMale!!! What, am I to see evolution on this site in Real Time™!? Maybe I can publish in Nature.

    Like many things, it’s a continuum. Meaningless sex to irreplaceable mind-blowing passion. Have had both. The latter is better.

    So I use Game to find The Woman who love me for all the right reasons and make a family. Eventually, somewhen, even Roissy will meet a woman that blows his socks off. (Ok, I’m new here… let me hope for the man.)

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  71. on July 4, 2008 at 6:00 am SovereignAmericanMale

    70 El Guapo

    “Like many things, it’s a continuum. Meaningless sex to irreplaceable mind-blowing passion. Have had both. The latter is better.”

    Ya, but I knew that already. I failed to make my point clearly or you missed my point. Sex within a lifelong committed relationship (such as the husband-wife relationship where I gave 100% of my trust, my love and myself and withheld Nothing) was unmatched ever. All the sex prior, and after Pales.

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  72. Anon, I won’t argue that IMHO, regardless of sex, Roissy wasted his time. He spent too much time gaming the girl, instead of simply walking away politely (explaining he was not into games).

    Sadly, women demand games, far too often, and find men who will provide them with games. It is not particularly fruitful.

    The argument against too much sex with too many partners is that it weakens the biochemical effect of sex-released hormones, that serve to bind two people together. Instead of a steady drink of wine with dinner, so to speak, it becomes random shots of tequila at a bar. All that sex then would DECREASE not INCREASE the ability to find a partner, for either gender. Sad, really.

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  73. on July 4, 2008 at 7:11 am johnny five

    #71 s.a.m. (emphasis mine)

    Sex within a lifelong committed relationship (such as the husband-wife relationship where I gave 100% of my trust, my love and myself and withheld Nothing) was unmatched ever. All the sex prior, and after Pales.

    dude, yeah, undead sex is a drag.

    #63 jon

    what a waste of time and effort. Why not just get a girlfriend, get married, have sex whenever you want, and then pour all your effort into doing something productive with your life.

    …following the first 3 suggestions concurrently?

    jon, how many marriageable young women do you know (as in know, not conjure as some sort of platonic ideal) who wouldn’t, inadvertently or otherwise, get in the way of suggestions #3 and #4?

    we live in a society in which, thanks to feminism, the vast majority of young women are convinced that all obligations in marriage fall squarely on the shoulders of husbands (who should still be generous financial providers) and that [i]any[/i] obligations falling on the shoulders of wives, whether sexual or domestic, amount to nothing short of “oppression”.

    if you personally have found a wife who not only gives you satisfactory sex “whenever you want” but also helps your dreams to flourish, i am sincerely happy for you, if not outright envious.
    on the other hand, if you’re a single guy hatin’ on a playa because you don’t have any game yourself, then do us a favor and shove it.

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  74. This blog is a thing of beauty. Here I see men and women getting hot under the collar over values that are dead and rotted like last winter’s kill.

    They just know something’s wrong with all this but they can’t articulate what it is. And here’s Roissy shoving it in their faces.

    Open your eyes and look, people. It’s a bitter harvest we’ve sown, and all we get out of it are debauched memories that leave us with nothing but hunger and emptiness. I’ve been there before, and I tried to get away from it here, but it just follows you like some mangy, starving dog.

    I remember the first time I truly got it, as a very young man, and how I laughed at my own foolishness. This site exposes the truth like an honest mirror: it shows us for what we are.

    This is why Roissy’s an artist.

    Keep it up, man.

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  75. Racer X said: “Reading things about “how to do you gouge some bitch’s eyes out” is seriously sick stuff. It is not funny even if it is a failed attempt at humor.”

    What are you, the internet’s laugh track? Thanks for letting us all know if we can chuckle at this or not, we were lost without you.

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  76. on July 4, 2008 at 7:36 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @73 johnny five

    “if you personally have found a wife who not only gives you satisfactory sex “whenever you want” but also helps your dreams to flourish, i am sincerely happy for you, if not outright envious.”

    Problem (Identify a woman who gives sex “whenever you want” we call them nymphomaniacs)

    Solution (buy a chastity belt and keep her locked in it when you are not sexing her) After the wedding night.

    Downside… almost ALL of these girls have very unresolved daddy issues and need your help to make their “dreams to flourish”.

    I wouldn’t count too much of them supporting you.

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  77. I read up to post 42 and couldn’t be bothered to read any more u guys are pretty boring, and by the way girls really do have fun all the time regardless of what they are doing,

    Roissy I think you will notice that most serious girls ‘shit test’ its because they want to know whether you will stick around whether you are worthy of their time ect, it seemed like you passed all her tests ,she accepted you wholly you were encrouching some beautiful relationship that would have ended with two kids and a suburban house somewhere but u blew all of that away after gaining her trust.

    By the way if the sex was so passionate and great that is definately a sign that she accepted you wholly, a woman performs best during sex with an individual she trusts, she can’t control this its just the way her body works

    Sara please don’t leave, your presense is much appreciated. And for those of you who think that this is the worst roissy can come up with, im afraid I’ll have to disagree with u on that one, because did you not read the column regarding shit stains where roissy said ‘oh yeah if she’s got colon cancer leave her’, I was deeply offended by that statement and did not go on the blog for a long time after that. I only came back because im not allowed out much and got bored, damn this 3 month long vacation. Roissy I would like to believe that u did not realy mean that statement.

    Roissy I think u should settle down now, trust someone without playing about with them for at least 5 months and then youll find true love I promise. And if she was so hot why did u let her go so easily, usually men have a real problem letting go of a girl they find hot and cannot let go even if they want to. You passed the hot girls shit test which means she probably wasnt gonna shit test u anymore and had accepted you but u left her , makes no sense to me.

    Last of all you talk about body shaking sex, that doesnt really sound very sexually appealling, I hope yours and her body wasn’t shaking one second into sex, it sounds like the incapacity of your body to deal with the sex. Unless your talking about the climax, then its okay for u to refer to it as body shaking.

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  78. And also racer X u talk about failed attempts at humour on this site I am totally with u on that one like the priest costume with the child giving it a blow job and people saying that the only reason they would get married to a lady is to fuck her 12 yold daughter, seriously if there are any paedophiles on this site I hope u die today, or end up looking like micheal jackson.

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  79. No wife is entitled to give a man sex whenever he wants, if he pushes for it and she doesnt want it that amounts to rape sexual offences act 2003(yes it is possible to rape your wife)

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  80. on July 4, 2008 at 8:53 am johnny five

    @s.a.m. #76

    first of all, dude, please learn to use punctuation; it will increase both the cogency and the value of what you have to say.

    i’ve never had problems maintaining attraction, so i wouldn’t need, or want, a nymphomaniac. in fact, saying that only a nymphomaniac would give you sex whenever you want is tantamount to saying that you have no ability whatsoever to stoke your partner’s embers. that is not good.

    Downside… almost ALL of these girls have very unresolved daddy issues and need your help to make their “dreams to flourish”.

    I wouldn’t count too much of them supporting you.

    you still fail to mention an upside; keep in mind that nymphomaniac is also a downside, as serious relationships go.

    but, to reinforce my point above: if you can’t create burning desire in the loins of a woman who isn’t already a nymphomaniac, then you are a failure.
    enough said.

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  81. on July 4, 2008 at 9:03 am johnny five

    if he pushes for it and she doesnt want it that amounts to rape

    katie, this mentality sums up exactly the reason why considering marriage is at best foolhardy, and at worst suicidal, for men in this country.

    if he holds her down against her will and actually rapes her, then, well, yes, that is rape.
    what you (and other feminists) don’t realize is that, when you lump “pushing for it” in the same category as ::ahem:: REAL rape, you are not only doing a grave disservice to actual rape victims but also watering down the definition of rape to the point where it becomes essentially meaningless.

    katie, i’d like your answers to three questions:
    (1) what is a man obliged to do for a woman within the context of marriage?
    (2) what is a woman obliged to do for a man within the context of marriage?
    (3) if the wife never, or hardly ever, “wants it”, do you have a problem with the husband’s seeing a mistress, fuck buddy, and/or prostitute?
    you’re on the air.

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  82. nah I love sex im not married by the way, but I think when I do get married it will probably be me bugging him 4 it. lol.

    A man is obliged to give the woman oral

    and the woman is obliged to give the man oral

    lol only joking

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  83. on July 4, 2008 at 9:24 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @78 Katie

    “seriously if there are any paedophiles on this site I hope u die today, or end up looking like micheal jackson.”

    Nice compassion for the monsters, strike that, I mean, mentally ill. (there is no justifying their crimes, granted)

    Reminds me of how humanity feels about the lepers back in the day, with their skin rotting and falling off… and everyone thought the lepers were Hyper-contagious.

    Only recently have we found out that only 5% of humanity lacks the immune response necessary to protect then from leprosy. Notice no one was running over to a leper to hug em, and tell them anything compassionate.

    99% of the paedophiles (as the brits spell it) were abused as children themselves. I know that not all victims of abuse grow up to repeat that abuse. That doesn’t preclude compassion.

    “Those that are hardest to love, are the ones in greatest need of it.” -Budda

    We need to realize they are mentally ill (incapable of judging right from wrong), and not to judge them like we judge the sane people (those who can distinguish right from wrong).

    Instead of hoping for them to die today, Katie, [Which completely sounds like reactionary social programing, even coming from your Wise All Knowing Lips] ;

    Why don’t you hope that they can gain mental sanity, while in prison or an insane asylum, and find peace in their tortured existence.

    Humans love to heap on the torments, especially on those who have tormented others, perpetuating the harm.

    Sure segregate them from society at large, but give them a chance for some kind of a life free from cruelty. And don’t stop other people from choosing to go live at a leper colony
    or caring for whatever today’s HatedOnes are.

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  84. okay im sorry

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  85. on July 4, 2008 at 9:44 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @82 Katie

    Johnny Five asks you some real questions, lawyer trainee Katie…

    > “katie, i’d like your answers to three questions:”

    And hands you the microphone…

    > “you’re on the air.”

    On the very serious issues of rape and marital responsibilities,

    You respond with irrelevant facts:
    1. Your not married
    2. You like sex
    3. You would sexually harass your husband

    While laughing and making not-funny jokes.

    > “lol only joking”

    I have serious issues with heartless wenches who act like your acting. You wipe your anus with the tragedies of real rape victims with your careless and meaningless drivel.

    My sister was violently raped. She has never been the same. Katie, its close enough for me to tell you:

    Bitch, Shut The Fuck Up, until you can talk sense.

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  86. @73

    Get a girl from some other society that’s not nearly as fucked up; one has clear gender roles.

    Then follow anon’s advice.

    Problem solved.

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  87. on July 4, 2008 at 10:13 am johnny five

    86 chris

    Get a girl from some other society that’s not nearly as fucked up; one [that] has clear gender roles.

    this is the much-ballyhooed ‘obvious’ solution to the entitlement-princess problem, but i have at least three problems with it. the first two are pretty much universal (for normal american males), while the third is my problem.

    one:
    the word ‘from’ suggests importing said girl.
    the problem there is that, when in rome, it takes some serious balls (or ovaries, or …?) NOT to do as the romans do.
    read: if you import her when she’s still young and fertile, there’s a significant chance that she will slowly but surely absorb american social norms. once that happens, not only do you have an entitlement princess, but you have an entitlement princess who doesn’t even speak your language all that well or understand your jokes, quips, and cultural allusions.
    on the other hand, i have enough filipino blood that the thought of moving permanently to the p.i. to start a family isn’t entirely ridiculous (not to mention that i can still write and/or work for americans and get paid in american dollars, enabling me to work 10-hour weeks if i want.) go go global gadget economy!

    which brings me to
    two:
    the BIGGEST PROBLEM with importing a wife is that i actually want an interesting companion with whom i feel a deep friendship and rapport in addition to good old fashioned love.
    for me, a HUGE part of said rapport is having someone who understands quirky/eccentric/obscure cultural references, gets my jokes (and occasionally even laughs at them), and, generally, understands what the fuck i’m talking about.
    while i have no doubt that an imported wifey from the philippines (or similar family-oriented country) would be, well, family-oriented, there’d be basically an 0% chance of this kind of rapport.
    think about the things you’ve laughed at, bonded over, etc. with people in the last week. now think how many of those things are INSEPARABLE from the cultural mores and social norms with which we were raised as westerners: probably all of them.
    this is a problem that roissy (along with the hundreds of other mra bloggers who advocate imported brides) has not yet addressed.
    roissy?

    three:
    i feel attraction almost exclusively for white women, black women, and linear combinations thereof.
    unfortunately, these preferences rule out essentially all women from the countries of which you speak.

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  88. on July 4, 2008 at 10:16 am johnny five

    i can’t believe the disaster than results from forgetting ONE FUCKING SLASH.

    fucking html.

    computers should learn to read users’ intent; it’d be like Game for HAL 9000.

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  89. on July 4, 2008 at 10:24 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @88 JF

    “computers should learn to read users’ intent”

    Chuckle.

    One thing that causes me to pause, is that automation is quickly rendering a great many humans obsolete. God Forbid we ever get real machines like in “I Robot”. The globalist elite would release biological weapons in mass, and purge 95% of us overnight.

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  90. on July 4, 2008 at 10:44 am Patrick Bateman

    Three cheers for Roissy. He treated her far better than she deserved.

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  91. sov american male I kind of liked u b4 this but your kinda scaring me now my answer had nothing at all to do with rape, jonny five asked me about what roles men and women should have in marriage, and I answered it was obviously not a serious answer but it had nothing to do with rape it was concerning roles in marriage.

    Seriously don’t accuse me of things I havn’t done and in such an agressive manner aswell, it scares me

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  92. When a woman marries, she consents to EXCLUSIVE AND UNRESTRICTED sex with her husband. Therefore, she can’t be raped. She already has consented and the husband has the right to have sex with her.
    O, and Kathy, if a relatively young, succesful man marries an over the hill women with attractive teen daughters it does raise some serious questions.

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  93. maybe according to american law but not with regard to british law and by the way why u telling me about this teen daughter thing im 20 u idiot and I intend to stay away from creepy people like u, and even if you do marry some poor over the hill woman do you really think her teen daughters will consent to sex with an old man, why would a woman choose a flacid dick when she can have a turgid one,by the way my names not kathy, u cant possibly tellme that uve actually managed to get some young girls to sleep with u, u being so creepy and strange, or are the girls u seduce not of the legal age?

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  94. In criminal law, most countries nowadays accept spousal rape. But I was explaining why I think the current situation is completely wrong and mocks the pain of real rape victims.
    Age of consent is in my residing country 14 by the way. And believe me that if you would see me you would covet riding on my dick. Mira Katie, sé que gozarías como una maraca cabalgando en mi gran miembro.

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  95. I don’t know what you wrote at the end im not french or whatever that language is ,im british, and I think u just turned me off with your first statement about taking advantage of an over the hill woman, As much as I want to deny it I will probably turn into an over the hill woman one day and I dont want to be treated in that manner so sorry u should have acted like a nice guy even if ur not, although u will probably be dead by the time im an overthe hill woman
    but thanx for warning me in advance, Ill be weary of men trying to marry me if im divorced

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  96. “although u will probably be dead by the time im an overthe hill woman”
    I doubt it. I’m only 5 years older than you my cute Katie.
    My point is that you shouldn’t divorce but renew the love with the man who maried you. I like feisty women like you. By the way, didn’t you take any second language in high school? A european should be able to distinguish between Spanish, French and Italian by the way. Yo sé que estás bien mojadita por mi ahí abajo.

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  97. If ur only 5 years older than me then why are u so keen on talking about marrying divorced women, and stealing their daughters, cant u get a young lady through a normal manner, or is there something physically wrong with u?

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  98. I was only explaining why women SHOULD NOT DIVORCE, and also why so many older women are deluded.

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  99. But let’s talk about you Katie. What do you do? Do you study?

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  100. yes but what do u do?
    do u study?
    lets talk about u

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  101. I have been commenting for quiet some time now. I’m an Argentine in his middtwenties with a loving 17 year old girlfriend. I like mountain climbing and videogames, and I’m about to become a taxlawyer. (note: law practice isn’t the goldmine it was a few decades ago, there are too many lawyers. I’m also writing a Fantasynovel. Sie könnten mir gerne ein schönes Foto von ihnen schicken.

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  102. what law school did u go to? and when did you qualify
    are u a practicing lawyer?

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  103. who are u practicing with?

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  104. someone needs to tell sara and sara to shut the fuck up

    in other news, go ROOSH, go VK, go Roissy, and go Jewcano

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  105. so tell me why tax law and tell me about the fundamentals of tax law

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  106. paul wot would your mother say!

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  107. For obvious reasons, I want to maintain my anonimity, since my opinions might be offensive. I should get my degree as a lawyer in 6 to 10 months. I have worked as an assistant as a defense lawyer, that’s also why I can tell you that it is quiet common for stepfathers to have sex with their teen daughters, something biological fathers always never do. To me it seems that you are trying to find out who I am to complain to my University.

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  108. What do you want to know about tax law? In general, most time is spending specifically each tax, when you have to pay for it and it’s exceptions. I’m afraid my english isn’t good enough to give good explanations however. The most important taxes are value agregation tax (IVA) and Income tax (impuesto a la renta).

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  109. okay whatever but isnt it illegal in america for someone who is under the age of 18 to be seeing a guy who is over the age of 18?
    with regard to ur girlfriend

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  110. No. In a lot of states age of consent is 16, in Hawaii even 14 unless they stanged it. Federal age of consent is 18 for non residing foreigners (tourists, businessmen). However, I don’t live in the US, it has become too much of a police state for my tastes.

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  111. 44, M. Bradwell: So if this was a typical one-night stand, why is everyone backslapping him for deleting her number?

    In short, two reasons (I’m explaining, neither endorsing nor condemning).

    A Don Juan does not ‘need’ sex. His capacity and willingness to walk away gives him power in romantic and sexual interactions. When a man deletes a woman’s number, this says “I am detached. I can get it when I want. I’ve cut off even an easy lay”.

    Secondarily, and I don’t know how much this applies to Roissy per se, but you have to understand where men come from. Many of us, especially in our more youthful days exhibited great neediness. We were in such need that we would latch on with great fury to any woman who threw attention our way, even if that woman was awful. Deleting a number exhibits not being that person, and to someone who has evolved out of that, it’s a bit of a high.

    I think that at least for me personally, right or wrong, many feminists lack of understanding about male sexual isolation/desperation causes the complaints about Roissian actions to be met with relative indifference. Some part of it always feels like a ‘return salvo’. Although such a battle oriented view is not helpful, simply laying it down is not so easy.

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  112. women don’t care how good you are in bed…if you think you can get away with playing the same flaky, retarded, annoying male head games at 39 that you played at 29, you will never get a woman to commit to you.

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  113. on July 4, 2008 at 4:38 pm De te fabula narratur.

    Animus got it right.

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  114. I know a lot of the women here aren’t going to like hearing this, but a woman who 1) shows up late on purpose, 2)openly and intentionally flirts with other men to make herself look “wanted” or to make the man jealous , 3)attempts to THEN ask YOU if you are a player ,4) tells you she gets bored easily and therefore puts you on notice that you have something to live up to and had better be exciting and all that jazz, 5) is a childless 29 year old, is going to be off-putting to just about anyone.

    Nobody likes to be around someone who is pretentiously overconfident when their personal resume’ doesn’t warrant that. We are talking about a childless 29 year old woman who probably has a mediocre income, an APARTMENT (and not a home), hardly anything in her IRA or 401K, acting like she is the Queen of 19th century England.

    Its going to put a guy off, and frankly, quietly resentful and make him want to pump and dump you just like Roissy did.

    The same game tactics that apparently appeal to women do not appeal to men. In fact, something of the opposite would be true. A man by nature, wants to be protective and caring and providing. A woman, if she is smart, will project that she would like to have these things. If she projects thast she is basically a man with a pussy………….she will probably get treated like one.

    Some men would have got up and left, or cut the date short. Roissy took an evening of her life, but based on her behavior, she was going to fuck up that evening anyway-like she has been fucking up the past 8 years.

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  115. The most important taxes are value agregation tax (IVA)

    FYI: Gannon, IVA in English is called a “Value Added Tax” (VAT). For those in Canada, it’s also known as the GST (Goods and Services Tax”. The US is one of the few large industrialized countries without a value added tax.

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  116. Thanks for the information DA. The US however has a sales tax, which is less efficient and encourages vertical integration, but has a similar function.

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  117. on July 4, 2008 at 7:35 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @91

    Dear Katie,
    You have said “Your kinda scaring me now my answer had nothing at all to do with rape”.

    Either you are trying to be disingenious or just are brain damaged. You started a sub-thread conversation with Post 79.
    You remember where you raised the issue of spousal rape in post 79. “(yes it is possible to rape your wife)” These are your own words.

    This caused J.F. to raise questions in his post 81, To which you mockingly mad fun of him and the Serious issues, in post 82.

    As a rational and ethical person, I vehemently objected to your behavior in that posting by writing post 85.

    As for scaring you… I have done no such thing. I called you on your bullshit, and then I justly called you a Bitch. You are angry because of it. You are engaging a common attack designed to shut down communication, rather then owning up to your crap.

    You dare to imply in your statement that I and not you, brought up the rape issue, and the problem is me. Then you pretend that I scare you by this. This is total dishonesty. Not only are you a Bitch. You are a Liar.

    I laughed your funny antics, and then tried to help you be a better contributor to this forum. I used to like you. I tried to show you in post 83, how to grow as a human.
    Now you have revealed yourself.

    Its a really good thing that I have known forty-two or so British women, and that you are an aberration, among them.

    You may physically be a 20+ year old, but mentally you are about 14 or 15 with the temperament to match. I suggest you go Grow Up, and let the adults over here, talk in piece.

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  118. Anytime ANYONE tells you they get bored easily, they are really revealing they are incredibly shallow and insecure.

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  119. > The US however has a sales tax, which is less efficient and encourages vertical integration, but has a similar function.

    Not really, tax incidence is not much different from VAT style taxes (except for the situations when services are not taxed but that is easily fixed).

    The main difference is that in the US, the states levy sales taxes (hence it is not the same in all places) whereas just about everywhere else it’s the uppermost level of government who does so (in fairness, some countries do have VAT differing by regions).

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  120. on July 4, 2008 at 9:16 pm Anonymous 57

    114: “I know a lot of the women here aren’t going to like hearing this, but a woman who 1) shows up late on purpose, 2)openly and intentionally flirts with other men to make herself look “wanted” or to make the man jealous , 3)attempts to THEN ask YOU if you are a player ,4) tells you she gets bored easily and therefore puts you on notice that you have something to live up to and had better be exciting and all that jazz…is going to be off-putting to just about anyone.”

    Why would any sane person, male *or* female, leap to defend this woman’s behavior? Why would we object to the assertion that this kind of behavior is undesirable? She acted like a jerk. That doesn’t go hand-in-hand with possessing ovaries. (I’m personally of the opinion that Roissy lowered himself to her level by engaging her at all, never mind playing out his “punishment”, but YMMV.)

    “5) is a childless 29 year old”

    Do you really believe a woman is objectionable simply by being a childless 29-year-old? I’m not being obtuse, I’m really asking: that does seem to be how your comment is phrased.

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  121. First and last comment at this shithole.

    1. Roissy and his PUA pukes are douchebags. If you’re walking up to a group, figuring “oh, I’ll all pretend to not be into her to show her how Alpha I am even though she’s my target,” then you’re just a douchebag.

    2. If you’re a chick going for this PUA shit, you’re just a loser chylamidia-ridden skank.

    3. If you’re some feminsita getting all weepy and outraged at this loser shit, and getting into some lame debates with the PUA-pukes, then you’re the lamest of them all.

    4. If you’re laughing your ass of at this collection of dimwits and dumbasses, then you might be worthy enough to spend time with me.

    Peace.

    K

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  122. @121

    Spoken like a true AFC.

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  123. on July 4, 2008 at 10:50 pm Devils Advocate

    then you might be worthy enough to spend time with me.

    Keith are you a woman?

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  124. on July 4, 2008 at 10:51 pm Devils Advocate

    2nd question are you the woman in the story?

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  125. School’s out for summer… as you can see with contributions from 7th grader Katie. You’d think for someone from from England, you’d have a better grasp of English. You did create the God Damn language, now learn to use it.

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  126. im with keith on this one … entertaining back and forth though

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  127. BTW, I am a bit of an expert on self-destructive violence, as I had the distinct displeasure of being in attendance as an EMT at several sites of suicide terror. The question of WHY men draw on violence as an immediate tool when denied agency is an interesting one, the more interesting one is the codification of appropriate male agency attempted on this site when so many men are already so aware of their absolute powerlessness.

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  128. Let me try and answer you anonymous. You wrote:

    “Why would any sane person, male *or* female, leap to defend this woman’s behavior? Why would we object to the assertion that this kind of behavior is undesirable? She acted like a jerk. That doesn’t go hand-in-hand with possessing ovaries. (I’m personally of the opinion that Roissy lowered himself to her level by engaging her at all, never mind playing out his “punishment”, but YMMV.)

    “5) is a childless 29 year old”

    Do you really believe a woman is objectionable simply by being a childless 29-year-old? I’m not being obtuse, I’m really asking: that does seem to be how your comment is phrased.”

    Im not defending her behavior at all. I pointed out all the things she did wrong if she expected the man to really -like- her personally.

    I dont believe a woman is objectionable if she is childless and 29, but she has to know that she is two years past the last best year to biologically bear children, which is 27. My grandmother was a GRANDMOTHER at 37. I can’t believe you see women who are 34 and up out there acting as if they dont have a care in the world, and that they plan to have a family “someday”. Time is running out on them, but they just dont see it.
    Truly successful women, the kind who have the life they always dreamed of, are usually going to be happily married with a kid or two or even three by 30.

    Its one of the major points of this blog that Roissy hammers home again and again that the woman’s prime is in her late teens and early twenties. Men’s primes come later, late twenties to thirty-one or so. Its a shame so many women dont realize that by continually goofing around at 23-26 or so, that they are wasting the years that they can get and marry and have a family with the best men they will ever be able to obtain. When this 29 year old is 38, she will probably freak out and marry the first guy after she realizes that time is really running out on her if she doesn’t want to be a lonely old maid. She should want to come across as a genuinely nice gal who wants to meet the right guy, not as a ‘playa’. Men dont want ‘playas’ unless they only are looking for a one night stand or perhaps a fuck-buddy while they look for a nice gal.

    Its such a shame (and I think Roissy would agree with me on this) that men and women are attracted to such radically different things. Guys want a nice gal who can be a little kinky for them in private, but otherwise is an angel and a good mother. Women, unfortunately, are too often after a “bad boy” who is dangerous and exciting. Mr. Nice guy really doesn’t want to have to put on a peacock act to get this gal and be cold and calculating and selfish……………..but hell they ask for it. So Roissy gave it to her, just the way she wanted it.

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  129. on July 5, 2008 at 4:28 am Anonymous 57

    128: Oh, you’re one of those “women are for breeding” guys. I suspected as much.

    And I *know* you weren’t defending her behavior. I was asking why you think that women here wouldn’t like to hear that Roissy’s jerk-woman was, in fact, a jerk. Did you think we (any or all of the women who post here) would defend her simply on the basis that she is a woman?

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  130. on July 5, 2008 at 4:39 am Anonymous 57

    “Guys want a nice gal who can be a little kinky for them in private, but otherwise is an angel and a good mother.”

    What guys say they want, and what they actually seek out and reward, are not even remotely the same thing. If men *really* wanted nurturing angels with a little private kink, you wouldn’t be overrun with women like the one in Roissy’s little story.

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  131. Roissy, I can tell you from my own experience that the shit-testing goes far beyond age 29. It was amazing to me that I had to put up with such cock-teasing from women well into their thirties who long before should have gotten real with their self-assessment and expectations.

    I will say again that all this is related to how much she wants marriage (or at least reproduction). The level of desire in any age cohort runs from desperation to complete indifference to actual hostility. Obviously those on the desperate end who make their compromises early in life will settle and breed. Nature selects for their choices. The shit-testers will fail to breed and eventually (not soon enough for me) go extinct.

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  132. on July 5, 2008 at 6:35 am SovereignAmericanMale

    131 sestamibi

    “Nature selects for their choices. The shit-testers will fail to breed and eventually (not soon enough for me) go extinct.”

    I see your statement repeated over and over in differing forms. Like this:
    “liberals don’t breed at replacement levels, they will go extinct”
    or
    “Feminists don’t breed…”

    The reality of the matter is this:
    The public and most private education K-12 and the Colleges are training each generation’s offspring to be the replacements of those who are dying off. Good Genes will be corrupted with bad habits via social programing.

    If you want to make it extinct, stop the proliferation of the ideologies from contaminating the minds of kids, who don’t know how to think their way out of a wet paper sack.

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  133. on July 5, 2008 at 6:49 am SovereignAmericanMale

    129 Anonymous 57

    “128: Oh, you’re one of those “women are for breeding” guys. I suspected as much.”

    Like Duh, you got the ova and uterus not us. Until we get cloning down pat, you are still of limited use to us.

    That will be death knell for females abusing us with the child support system. We will stop knocking you up. A huge number of females will die off childless, alone, and unwanted (lesbians don’t count).

    Soon, that biological function will be made redundant, and your only real uses for males will be:

    1. non-pro-creative sexual fluids disposal
    2. porn trade or other eye candy
    3. sexless office drones

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  134. on July 5, 2008 at 7:04 am SovereignAmericanMale

    133 SovereignAmericanMale

    posted from the perspective of the Globalist Elite, and the unspoken male majority at large, as a devil’s advocate.

    These are not my personal beliefs.

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  135. Unfortunately SAM is 100% right on here:

    “The public and most private education K-12 and the Colleges are training each generation’s offspring to be the replacements of those [feminists, et al.] who are dying off. “

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  136. u guys will never change, sov maerica male ur so agressive read thru everything I said on this post theres nothing agressive I said and everyonecan give their oppinion on that
    maybe u should chill

    and I dont like u anymore u bitter old man

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  137. on July 5, 2008 at 1:34 pm Anonymous 57

    “Like Duh, you got the ova and uterus not us. Until we get cloning down pat, you are still of limited use to us.

    That will be death knell for females abusing us with the child support system. We will stop knocking you up. A huge number of females will die off childless, alone, and unwanted (lesbians don’t count).

    Soon, that biological function will be made redundant, and your only real uses for males will be:

    1. non-pro-creative sexual fluids disposal
    2. porn trade or other eye candy
    3. sexless office drones”

    So then how was my impression about the “women are for breeding” mentality mistaken in any way whatsoever?

    Actually, I should have phrased it “women are *only* for breeding.”

    And it wasn’t originally SAM who said it, so credit — or blame, whichever way you interpret it — where it’s due.

    You’ll continue to need game (and women will continue to need to evade that game) as long as men & women view each other as not only unworthy adversaries, but also means to an end instead of ends in themselves.

    And don’t give me that women are alone in doing this: if all you’re about is what services she/they can provide you, what you’re going to get is women who are all about what services you can provide *them*. It’s a vicious cycle, in the truest sense of the expression.

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  138. > Mr. Nice guy really doesn’t want to have to put on a peacock act to get this gal and be cold and calculating and selfish……………..but hell they ask for it.

    I’ve been called all of those adjectives (and a few more along the same lines) but also a nice guy (maybe because while I’m cold and calculating, I also try not to screw over people if I can help it, I mostly believe in a strategy of tit for tat with a neutral initial encounter). So WTF does that make me? A cold, heartless, disconnected beta?

    But in fairness, I truly prefer to do without peacock acts.

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  139. > And don’t give me that women are alone in doing this: if all you’re about is what services she/they can provide you, what you’re going to get is women who are all about what services you can provide *them*.

    Oh come on, as if relationships were not always about services (in a broad definition of the term) provided to each other.

    If there were no exchange of services, what good would the relationship be.

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  140. on July 5, 2008 at 3:35 pm SovereignAmericanMale

    @136 katie

    “sov maerica male ur so agressive”

    Agreed, I am like a wolf who eats pit-bulls, when it comes to searching out truth. and other parts of life as well.

    Perhaps you should file suit, to have court ordered to the State Feminist re-education camps for some sensitivity training, boot licking, and emasculation 101. God forbid, anyone around here grow a beard, piss while standing or have “aggression”.

    “maybe u should chil”

    Maybe you should go away, learn how to spell and compose your thoughts, develop some ethics, and post in the kiddie pool-blogs. This is the high dive area.

    Oh and grow up… wait, I said that already.

    “and I dont like u anymore u bitter old man”

    About ten years older then you, nothing bitter in me. In reality, I am a merry Bold soul, if you don’t get on my bad side.

    I don’t like spanking you in public as repeatedly having done throughout this thread.

    There is nothing gained in shredding your weak posts.
    You are making my sword dull. (Other then riotous fits of laughter)

    No wonder the Irish kicked your collective asses.

    Its like sending a white belt to kick the Sensei’s ass. I got nothing but cans of “whoop-ass” and “hurt” for you. You’re making me feel bad, by continuing to engage me.

    There doesn’t not exist enough words, for you, that will *EVER* dig yourself out of the hole that you put yourself in.

    Since you don’t know when to quit…

    I am done with ye.

    Find someone else to use you as a whipping post, I need not your psudomascism.

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  141. whatever bitter old man
    your pain shows thru ur agression

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  142. on July 5, 2008 at 5:04 pm Anonymous 57

    “Oh come on, as if relationships were not always about services (in a broad definition of the term) provided to each other.

    If there were no exchange of services, what good would the relationship be.”

    If all you look for in dealings with other people is what they can do for you, rather than what you can do for them, then the situation will always be adversarial. (And I’m using a general “you” here, not you specifically.)

    If you don’t respect and care about a woman as a person, separately from how objectively hot she is or isn’t, why would you want to reproduce with her, anyway? And if you *do* respect and care about her, you’ll do things for one another because you *want* to, not because you’ll get something out of it. (Note that I said “for one another”, because a one-way street in either direction is doomed.)

    Or maybe I’m just ridiculously old-fashioned.

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  143. SovereignAmericanMale,

    Feminists wont oft-be replaced.

    The failure of so many to get married, have life-partners, and die old-childless-unwanted-and uncared-about, is not lost on young women and their mothers and their brothers and their fathers.

    People see what feminism has given these women: lonely, sad, childless lives.

    Even “independent” young women these days openly state they want to be married and have children, even if they want to put it off until they are in their thirties. In the seventies and early eighties, many of the true believers woundn’t have said that. Its not cool to be a grey-headed gal with an earring in your nose (Ive actually seen a couple of these) prattling on about your “freedom”. Young women, due to the internet and the larger media we have now, know all about feminism. Those who take the choice to pursue gender-feminism as a life-model do so knowing its logical extension of unhappiness.

    How many “happy” old, childless women do we all know? I don’t know any (and have to share an office with a couple of them). They are hateful, and food is the biggest thrill in their awful lives (right ahead of Barack Obama, but thats another story).

    Anonymous tired to accuse me of being a “women are for breeding only” male. This is obfuscation, she is lying, and she knows it. Women are for being happily married to loving husbands and heading happy households with two or three happy children. All of whom love and support each other, and will have happy grandchildren to enjoy someday in their older years to whom they can pass on their wisdom and knowledge. Women were not for leading lives of political statements writ large, winding up chasing off every nice possible suitor, only to marry in desperation when their time was running out, or not marry and have a family at all. Thats what feminism has given so many of them, and everybody knows it.

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  144. on July 5, 2008 at 6:56 pm Anonymous 57

    Z, how about the women who are unhappily married, to husbands who aren’t loving, but who cheat on them or leave them? Or whose children, once grown, want nothing to do with them?

    You failed to mention those. I know more of those than I do the lonely, sad, childless kind.

    “Women were not for leading lives of political statements writ large, winding up chasing off every nice possible suitor, only to marry in desperation when their time was running out, or not marry and have a family at all. Thats what feminism has given so many of them, and everybody knows it.”

    Actually, what feminism has yielded me is the opportunity to not to have my fate determined for me. I don’t want to marry; I never have. I don’t live a life of political statement nor am I required to. I have a choice: that’s the point. I don’t get why the shrill insistence upon the belief that life is worth living only if one has children. If you want ’em, find a willing woman and have ’em. Why do you seem so threatened that someone might want something different?

    The choice isn’t a) life of political statement writ large, vs. b) happily married to loving husband. There are a million choices in between, and *that’s* what feminism does for us.

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  145. #130, Anonymous 57:
    What guys say they want, and what they actually seek out and reward, are not even remotely the same thing. If men *really* wanted nurturing angels with a little private kink, you wouldn’t be overrun with women like the one in Roissy’s little story.

    Well, first off; there’s a general human disconnect with our stated desires and what we actually do. This isn’t a guy thing or a girl thing, it’s a human thing.

    Moving on, the second statement runs upon a false assumption: That women are aware of what men really want and that they would give it to them. Sorry, it’s just not that causal. Are you reducing women to reactionaries? That’s a bit cruel to the female gender, isn’t it? Isn’t it more likely, more reasonable that women act that way because that is how they are wired and more importantly how modern society meta-programs them? The opposite gender’s optimal desire is only a piece of the puzzle.

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  146. Oh my… y’all are still at it. Everyone — go have sex with someone worthwhile (or not). OK, I’m off to the beach with this weekend’s lot of Hotts™! (Khalifornia is just a great place to live if you are by the beach!)

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  147. on July 5, 2008 at 8:36 pm Anonymous 57

    “Moving on, the second statement runs upon a false assumption: That women are aware of what men really want and that they would give it to them. Sorry, it’s just not that causal. Are you reducing women to reactionaries? That’s a bit cruel to the female gender, isn’t it?”

    *Men* don’t even know what men really want! And no, of course not all women would give it to them. But the women who want men — actually want them in their lives as a partner, I mean, not as validation or whatever — sure would.

    If men consistently selected for the behavior they claim they want, then the behavior described in Roissy’s story would go unrewarded. If it went unrewarded, you’d eventually see less of it.

    If you expect less, you’re guaranteed to get it.

    This applies to both genders, btw. If you’re going to expect others to live up to whatever set of standards you value, you’d better be living up to them, too.

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  148. *Men* don’t even know what men really want!

    Are you saying all men, or some subset of men? The former is an irrational statement. If you want to say that there’s a lot of guys out there who have no idea what they want, I can agree with that.

    If men consistently selected for the behavior they claim they want, then the behavior described in Roissy’s story would go unrewarded. If it went unrewarded, you’d eventually see less of it.

    Your reduction is far too Pavlovian and far too choice exclusive. If a man wants the angel/good girl with a bit of private kink, that does not mean he turns down everything else. That’s what I want. But if some cute little tart wants to sex me tonight, it’s unlikely I’m going to say no. The two choices are not mutually exclusive, and to expect men to collectively forgo sluts in the hopes of training women to stop being sluts and start being nice guys? Simply unrealistic. Not to mention you’re assuming there’s only one axis of reward. I’d say women get a fair amount of utility from behaving in that way, regardless of their male interactions, because their ego will rationalize male aloofness. There’s enough Confident Fat Bitches out there to prove that one.

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  149. @Anonymous 57

    I am not out there always asking what the others can do for me but if they do not bring anything to the table, chances are I am not interested in them very much (as you say, a one way flow is doomed). And mind you, services may be things like emotional support just as much as picking me up at the airport late at night…

    > If you don’t respect and care about a woman as a person, separately from how objectively hot she is or isn’t, why would you want to reproduce with her, anyway?

    Since I do not want children, that is pretty much a moot point. But abstracting from that, she would better be attractive *and* a nice person. No point in producing ugly offspring or having to deal with an evil person for decades.

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  150. on July 6, 2008 at 12:00 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Hey peter, I found this for you.

    Its GNP

    http://www.freewebs.com/princekermit/apps/photos/

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  151. Can some reality intrude into this discussion?

    To the people who say Roissy should have walked: But he was looking for a One Night Stand. He likes to have them.

    To the people (e.g. jon) who say get married and enjoy sex anyone time you want it:

    A) Many spouses lose all interest or rarely want sex.

    B) Some people (males especially) are wired up to enjoy sex much more with strangers and get bored with the same old sex partner.

    To the people who say Roissy was mean to manipulate her, take her home for sex, and then dump her: Er, she could have turned him down. In fact, if she had any sense at all and really is looking for Mr. Right (as distinct from Mr. Right Now) then she should have put on the brakes and seen if he was interested in more dates and gotten to know him better.

    But for all we know maybe she really was looking for Mr. Right Now but was pretending otherwise to herself and to him. Look at the women who do not want to admit they are going to a guy’s apartment to have sex but who eagerly get into it once they get inside.

    If she is still foolish enough at age 29 to delude herself by what a Player says on a first date then either she’s dumb or been fooled by intellectuals who have taught her the Blank Slate view of human nature.

    To Roissy: You pointed out certain aspects of her behavior to justify why you dumped her. But be honest. If she hadn’t said some of the things you pointed to you probably would have dumped her anyway. After all, there are those 22 year olds to pursue.

    Roissy, look, you celebrate your own playing of games. Then when a woman plays games you treat that as a character defect. I see a double standard here.

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  152. SAM: “No wonder the Irish kicked your collective asses.”

    Er… what??

    You mean they ultimately became independent? Who gives a shit?

    No wonder the Vietnamese kicked your collective asses…

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  153. on July 6, 2008 at 1:43 am Anonymous 57

    148: “…to expect men to collectively forgo sluts in the hopes of training women to stop being sluts and start being nice guys? Simply unrealistic.”

    So you live by one set of standards, but expect women to adhere to a stricter one? Now who’s being unrealistic? At any rate, good luck with that.

    “There’s enough Confident Fat Bitches out there to prove that one.”

    Maybe they’re confident about something other than their looks? Which is actually wise, as looks don’t last forever, assuming one is fortunate enough to have had them in the first place. Or maybe they just don’t care whether or not you find them attractive…? Not everything in women’s lives revolves around being appealing to men.

    151: “Roissy, look, you celebrate your own playing of games. Then when a woman plays games you treat that as a character defect. I see a double standard here.”

    That’s it, in a nutshell.

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  154. on July 6, 2008 at 2:10 am Comment_On_Blamelessness

    ***
    Z, how about the women who are unhappily married, to husbands who aren’t loving, but who cheat on them or leave them? Or whose children, once grown, want nothing to do with them?

    You failed to mention those. I know more of those than I do the lonely, sad, childless kind.
    ***
    AWWW. And they didn’t do nothing to those children, did they?

    Not nothing. Didn’t kill em. Not killing ’ems the best that can be expected.

    Didn’t do nothing to their husbands, not nothing. We knows that cause a woman ain’t to blame no matter what.

    Whenever someone STARTS OUT with an attitude of complete blameless, for example, if Roissy hadn’t given any reason for what he did to the woman, and then precedes to claim blamelessness, you can be almost certain the person is to blame.

    Roissy gave reasons, you gave the divine splendour of Woman.

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  155. on July 6, 2008 at 4:46 am Anonymous 57

    “AWWW. And they didn’t do nothing to those children, did they?

    “Not nothing. Didn’t kill em. Not killing ‘ems the best that can be expected.

    “Didn’t do nothing to their husbands, not nothing. We knows that cause a woman ain’t to blame no matter what.

    “Whenever someone STARTS OUT with an attitude of complete blameless, for example, if Roissy hadn’t given any reason for what he did to the woman, and then precedes to claim blamelessness, you can be almost certain the person is to blame.”

    It’s nice that you’re starting out from a place of guilty until proven innocent, and nice try at framing me up as some kind of shrill feminist harpy. My posts here have already proven that I’m not; I’m not going to reiterate that every single time I post.

    I never made any sweeping statements about women being *anything*. I’m talking about actual older women that I know and am related to. One specifically: a widow with 6 adult children who don’t bother with her at all. She never aborted, she never cheated; she towed the traditionalist line & devoted her life to raise her kids. Grown kids, all living less than an hour from her, who now are not coming through with that glowing scenario of loving care for the mother who raised them, nor quality time spent with rosy-cheeked grandchildren.

    My point: the mommy track is no guarantee that you won’t still end up, as was phrased here, lonely and sad. Would it be nice if all families were loving & supportive? Sure. But it’s a mistake to think that having a family will guarantee you love & support in your old age. You needn’t take my word for it: old-age homes are overflowing with proof.

    Most of you guys really aren’t the least bit interested in rational, realistic discussion. I honestly thought you were, and have tried, but the most vocal of you are on the attack at every opportunity – not only towards the extremists you object to, but towards anyone who doesn’t immediately throw their lot in unquestioningly with yours. It’s starting to depress me.

    I’m sorry you were so badly hurt by whatever women caused you to become so reactionary. We’re not all like that, but those of us who aren’t also aren’t going to stand around indefinitely attempting to prove that to you. Good luck with your deep-seated anger, resentment & hatred of womankind. And good luck to the women unlucky enough to end up bearing the brunt of it.

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  156. 132 SAM said:

    “The public and most private education K-12 and the Colleges are training each generation’s offspring to be the replacements of those who are dying off. Good Genes will be corrupted with bad habits via social programing.

    If you want to make it extinct, stop the proliferation of the ideologies from contaminating the minds of kids, who don’t know how to think their way out of a wet paper sack.”

    Philip Longman, in “The Return of Patriarchy” (to which I’ve often referred here, had a good response to that:

    “One could argue that history, and particularly Western history, is full of revolts of children against parents. Couldn’t tomorrow’s Europeans, even if they are disproportionately raised in patriarchal, religiously minded households, turn out to be another generation of ’68?
    The key difference is that during the post-World War ii era, nearly all segments of modern societies married and had children. Some had more than others, but the disparity in family size between the religious and the secular was not so large, and childlessness was rare. Today, by contrast, childlessness is common, and even couples who have children typically have just one. Tomorrow’s children, therefore, unlike members of the postwar baby boom generation, will be for the most part descendants of a comparatively narrow and culturally conservative segment of society. To be sure, some members of the rising generation may reject their parents’ values, as always happens. But when they look around for fellow secularists and counterculturalists with whom to make common cause, they will find that most of their would-be fellow travelers were quite literally never born.”

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  157. on July 6, 2008 at 5:18 am SovereignAmericanMale

    155 Anonymous 57

    “Most of you guys really aren’t the least bit interested in rational, realistic discussion. I honestly thought you were, and have tried, but the most vocal of you are on the attack at every opportunity – not only towards the extremists you object to, but towards anyone who doesn’t immediately throw their lot in unquestioningly with yours. It’s starting to depress me.”

    Looking for genuine compassion, or surgical logic and reason on the battlefield, is a lot like looking for a virgin in a whorehouse. While not imposible… it remains unlikely.

    Don’t give up hope yet tho, and be of good cheer. Not everyone thinks your dizzy or a extremist feminazi

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  158. on July 6, 2008 at 9:35 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @152 Anonymous

    “No wonder the Vietnamese kicked your collective asses…”

    I contend, in the first place, we never went to Vietnam to win any war. Instead, we went for the reason of making war business profits for the Military Industrial Complex and their International Banker Gangsters. Secondarily, evidence suggests: we went to test new technologies, tactics and war strategies. Also, to bloody, the greenhorn field grade command officers who replaced the WW2/Korean field grade command.

    Furthermore, I might add…
    You have just compared an apple to an orange…
    My issue:
    GB owned Ireland. Just like it owned India, and the American Colonies.

    Your issue:
    The states of the United States, or its federal governing body never at any time had a territorial claim upon Vietnam.

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  159. on July 6, 2008 at 5:20 pm Cyd the Kid

    @Johnny Five 73…

    we live in a society in which, thanks to feminism, the vast majority of young women are convinced that all obligations in marriage fall squarely on the shoulders of husbands (who should still be generous financial providers) and that [i]any[/i] obligations falling on the shoulders of wives, whether sexual or domestic, amount to nothing short of “oppression”.

    You know, coming from a man who has been married nearly 20 years, and had his fair share of premarital sex, I concur with all the people who either do not completely buy this story and/or have chastised not only the author, but also the immature, women hating commenters with their unresolved issues. You guys with your issues and quests for immediate gratification are not making the situation any better for yourselves or any other man out there.

    With that said, Johnny Five above, makes a very valid point about feminism and unrealistic, and even draconian expectations of the male. Society, especially in big cities, certainly is upside down. The answer is not to behave like a bigger jerk than the indoctrinated little jerkettes that apparently run rampant in these cities. The answer is to behave like mature men with a moral fiber, unwavering character, and a spine made of steel. Gaming is for bitches, male and female. Honor and self respect are what makes men, men. If enough men follow their true moral character, reject women who behave this way and instill in women’s mind that they will be left behind, this feminazism will also fall by the wayside in due time. Men have lead and will always continue to lead. Evolutionarily speaking we are not followers. Women still want to lead, no matter what their mouths say. The men here need to be become leaders and let go of their gaming bitchy ways.

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  160. on July 6, 2008 at 5:23 pm Cyd the Kid

    erratum:

    Women still want to lead, no matter what their mouths say.

    Should read: Women still want men to lead…

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  161. “Why not just walk? That’s what I don’t get. Odds are, she wasn’t a very nice girl”

    That’s what I’m sayin’. If that was me and her, I would have told her to go fuck herself (or some R-rated equivalent) and gotten the hell on out of there

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  162. So you live by one set of standards, but expect women to adhere to a stricter one? Now who’s being unrealistic? At any rate, good luck with that.

    Stop right there. Where did I say that I expect women to adhere to a stricter standard?

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  163. Sorry for two posts…

    Maybe they’re confident about something other than their looks? Which is actually wise, as looks don’t last forever, assuming one is fortunate enough to have had them in the first place. Or maybe they just don’t care whether or not you find them attractive…? Not everything in women’s lives revolves around being appealing to men.

    Which is *EXACTLY* my point. Did you even read my post? I was saying that I believe some women would act like that regardless of men’s encouragement….

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  164. on July 7, 2008 at 2:24 pm Comment_The_Obama_Speaks

    ***
    “Guys want a nice gal who can be a little kinky for them in private, but otherwise is an angel and a good mother.”

    What guys say they want, and what they actually seek out and reward, are not even remotely the same thing. If men *really* wanted nurturing angels with a little private kink, you wouldn’t be overrun with women like the one in Roissy’s little story.
    ***
    Way to speak lies to helplessness! A far safer, and rewarding activity than speaking truth to power. Are you a reporter?

    GUYS made current divorce laws? GUYS made Opra? Most GUYS have the power in dating?

    I love it when I hear The Obama speak. His voice overflows with the responsibility and expectations he has FOR ME. He has his EYE ON ME, and so does his pack of sisters who feel so wonderful about themselves. You know what? I ain’t responsible for this disaster, and I don’t take responsibility for it, and I certainly hope they have someone else to fulfill their Expectations.

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  165. on July 7, 2008 at 2:44 pm Comment_The_Obama_Speaks

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    It’s nice that you’re starting out from a place of guilty until proven innocent, and nice try at framing me up as some kind of shrill feminist harpy. My posts here have already proven that I’m not; I’m not going to reiterate that every single time I post.

    I never made any sweeping statements about women being *anything*. I’m talking about actual older women that I know and am related to. One specifically: a widow with 6 adult children who don’t bother with her at all. She never aborted, she never cheated; she towed the traditionalist line & devoted her life to raise her kids. Grown kids, all living less than an hour from her, who now are not coming through with that glowing scenario of loving care for the mother who raised them, nor quality time spent with rosy-cheeked grandchildren.

    My point: the mommy track is no guarantee that you won’t still end up, as was phrased here, lonely and sad. Would it be nice if all families were loving & supportive? Sure. But it’s a mistake to think that having a family will guarantee you love & support in your old age. You needn’t take my word for it: old-age homes are overflowing with proof.
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    Well, if a woman WAS to blame for her kids not seeing her, then your story doesn’t have a point then, does it skippy?

    Cause if you work at it, your can screw up anything. So you are apparently claiming to be saying that “marriage and children doesn’t work, if you are a bad person and wreck it”.
    Which doesn’t seem like saying much of anything, really. Basically you were just spouting nonsense… according to you.

    It’s interesting all the verbal games women play, isn’t it?

    I’m well aware of the Momma cult in America, so I’m quite sure that is NOT what you were saying.

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  166. I call bullshit! This means nothing without pictures.

    I’ve heard of the “Cube” from the Neil Strauss book (who quotes a lot of Mystery). I haven’t heard of The Love Test.

    I think better stories come from these two books:

    The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists – Neil Strauss

    The Manual: A True Bad Boy Explains How Men Think, Date, and Mate–and What Women Can Do to Come Out on Top – Steve Santagati

    These guys write better and actually like women. Roissy, I think you don’t like women at all. There is a difference between a PUA and a player. You are a player, not a PUA.

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  167. “I’m well aware of the Momma cult in America, so I’m quite sure that is NOT what you were saying.”

    You, asshole, have missed the point entirely. She was refuting a previous assertion that all women should aspire to motherhood because, according to that previous poster’s assertion, motherhood is an automatic ticket to endless supportive love.

    Only a moron would claim that, and only a moron would attack someone for refuting it.

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  168. on July 7, 2008 at 6:06 pm Comment_Fool_Me_Twice

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    You, asshole, have missed the point entirely. She was refuting a previous assertion that all women should aspire to motherhood because, according to that previous poster’s assertion, motherhood is an automatic ticket to endless supportive love.

    Only a moron would claim that, and only a moron would attack someone for refuting it.
    ***
    So now the first person was claiming that it was impossible to make your children hate you, presumably even if you torture them with an iron for not getting straight A’s.

    I’m not really sure the first person would accept that interpretation of thier words. Sounds like your just repeating her trick from a different angle.

    In every statement about the results of anothers action, it is assumed the other person isn’t going to do something horrible/brilliant/very abnormal to wildly change the outcome.

    For example,
    “Robbing a bank with a water pistol is dumb.”

    Response:
    “But what if the person hides the water pistol so people can only see it’s outline, and is also a brilliant actor, and easilly convinces everyone that he is armed, and gets them to cooporate!”

    I mean really, it’s just a conversational stunt, and deserves no respect.

    “Momma Cult” really hit home, didn’t it?

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  169. 168: You’re not making any sense at all. Have you even read through the comments? Because you seem to be just randomly pulling shit out to take arbitrary potshots at, which doesn’t make your “arguments” particularly compelling.

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  170. He mated with a bottom of the barrel chick – an unmarried female of 29 who was desperately trying to get the attention of two other men to play game.

    The best women get picked up by AFCs for marriage quick. With how much women love marriage and weddings…. do you really think she’s gonna hold out for some Alpha Bad Boy when the Beta is waving a diamond with a huge awesome wedding in her face?

    Roissy just proved it’s easy to score with bottom of the barrel chicks a.k.a. older unmarried women. She prolly wasn’t that hot either, maybe she had big tatas or something redeeming to her

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  171. or she may have been pretty on the outside ugly on the inside (duh)

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  172. on July 28, 2008 at 10:53 pm Peregrine John

    Not to wake this up again, but I just got here. Something bugged me earlier in this, and it was Randall in msg. #151 that brought it back to mind:

    katie was asked, by johhny five back in #81 these things:
    (1) what is a man obliged to do for a woman within the context of marriage?
    (2) what is a woman obliged to do for a man within the context of marriage?
    (3) if the wife never, or hardly ever, “wants it”, do you have a problem with the husband’s seeing a mistress, fuck buddy, and/or prostitute?

    She dodged, pretty blatantly. After #79 “No wife is entitled to give a man sex whenever he wants,” this is something that needs to be addressed.

    katie, the microphone is yours.

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  173. Nope. Old thread but dead on. Fucking american bitch playin game mother fuckers. I am american and refuse to date american BITCHES. I have yet to find a good one. And anyone that has a response? Fuck off. Bitch was the key word. They all are. Now get over it. I could write forever but it’s not worth my time. When asked….I am 36 years old, have dated and been married as well. ALL BITCHES>

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  174. […] June 27, 2009 Feminismus , seduction community Leave a Comment That’s an interesting statement: “we live in a society in which, thanks to feminism, the vast majority of young women are […]

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  175. That was a good post. I’ve met women with similar attitudes who are in their early 30s. I do think that women who probably were hot in their early 20s seem to conveniently ignore the crow’s feet around their eyes and wrinkles on their forehead and still delude themselves into believing that they are “God’s gift to mankind.” Those are also the same women who are going to wake up one day in their late-30s crying about how they aren’t married and can’t find any good guys who want a serious relationship with them. In big cities a lot of women waste the years of their lives when they are at the height of their beauty being selfish bitches and playing the field.

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  176. Assuming this post was truthful, I’d say good job. I wouldn’t have put that much work in, I would have excused myself for the bathroom and taken off, or said “Oh shoot there’s something I left in my car that I brought for you,” and then walk out the front door and bail. But that’s just me.

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