‘I Have A Boyfriend’ Responses

Since the question of how to respond to the ubiquitous “I have a boyfriend” female shit test comes up a lot here, I’ve decided to put together what I think are the best answers a man can give in return. These answers were gleaned from commenters, from pickup forums, and from my own posts on the subject.

  • “I don’t care.”

One of my favorites. Best used on ultrafem girls who yearn to submit to a very psychologically dominant man. See: Asians, sorostitutes, blogger chicks.

  • “That’s OK, I’m not the jealous type.”

Replies to “IHAB” fall into two major categories — qualifying and disqualifying. A disqualifying reply is one where you shame the girl for even bringing the subject up, since she has no chance with you anyhow. A disqualifier is ideally used on superflirts and other varieties of cockteasers, because it fucks with their expectations.

A qualifying reply is one where you brush off the boyfriend objection, but do so in a humorous way that implies she has met your conditions for being bang-worthy and that you would sleep with her given the chance. The line above is an example of a qualifying reply — you would have sex with her and she needn’t worry that you would judge her for that. A qualifier is ideally used on girls who are attracted to you and want to sleep with you, but either have a boyfriend for real they want to step out on, or don’t have a boyfriend but say so anyhow because they are feeling slutty or anxious that sex might actually happen. Sometimes girls just blurt IHABs without even thinking, like they often do with any kind of shit test.

Note: If the girl drops an IHAB from the moment you start talking to her, it is likely she is rejecting you. IHAB is very context and time dependent; don’t bother with any of these lines if she hits you with an IHAB soon after you introduce yourself. These IHAB killers are meant for girls who are receptive to your gaming or are otherwise actively flirting with you.

  • Girl: “I have a boyfriend…..”
    Man: “Wow….amazing…seriously, that’s amazing!”
    Girl: “What? That I have a boyfriend?”
    Man: “No, that I’ve barely known you for 5 minutes and you’re already telling me your problems.”
    Girl: “lmao!”

The above line was cribbed from a commenter over at Roosh’s pickup forum. It’s a type of disqualifier; one I would happily use on attention whores who love men bowing and scraping before their almighty bloated egos.

  • “Whoa, not so fast. We’re just talking here, ok? Don’t get the wrong idea.”
Another strong disqualifier. Flips the script. This is the line I should have used on Superflirt when she hit me with her repeated IHABs.
  • “You really thought I was hitting on you?”
An even stronger disqualifier. The hotter the chick, the stronger her expectation that you are trying to bed her. Very powerful disqualifiers will often scare away or piss off lesser girls, but the hot babes lap it up like hungry kittens. Use with caution.
  • “No worries. You’re not my type.”

Tamer version of above. Opens the door for further conversation.

  • “So does my girlfriend.”

Short, sweet and funny. Categorized as a qualifying reply — you’re not dismissing her as a sex prospect. Hints at preselection. Use on girls who want to sleep with you already but have to rationalize their way to it. Don’t use on drunk girls; it’ll take them too long to get it. I tried this on Superflirt and she just tilted her head and stared blankly at me for a few seconds. Don’t use on evangelical church girls, either; they might take it at face value.

  • Girl: “I have a boyfriend.”
    Man: “Hey, my dog can juggle.”
    Girl: “What?”
    Man: “I’m sorry, I thought we were talking about shit that didn’t matter.”

This is a qualifying IHAB killer. You are implying you have designs to bang her, and are mocking her IHAB for the adorable little whiny objection it is. (The hidden subtext is “Let’s get back to seducing each other.”) A bit too clever by half for my taste; could work well on hard-charging lawyer cunts with high Wordsum scores.

  • “Annnnd… so?”

Same type as above, but shorter and easier to remember.

  • “Good job!”

A variant of “I don’t care.” Some guys prefer to plow through an IHAB by either ignoring it or contemptuously dismissing it.

  • “Your parents must be proud.”

Same as above.

  • “Oh man, I’m so embarrassed. I thought you were a lesbian.”
HUGE disqualifying neg. Use on histrionic club sluts. Don’t expect this to work more than 20% of the time; just enjoy the smile it puts on your face.
  • “Are you allowed to talk to other men without his permission?”

Puts the girl on the defensive. This is a risky line. Some girls may react poorly to it, while others immediately qualify themselves to you.

  • Ignore the IHAB

Plow, baby, plow! Caveman game. She’s so cute when she’s disingenuously objecting to you conking her over the head and dragging her into the brush for a rogering.

You’ll notice a pattern here; I prefer short answers to IHAB rather than long-winded, witty replies. A rule of thumb: wordiness is beta, succinctness is alpha. This is a broad generalization with plenty of exceptions, so don’t get too hung up on it. Just try and keep your texts, phone messages, and parts of your early and end game on the laconic side. Rapport and DHVing obviously will require the use of more than a few pithy quips.

You’ll also notice which IHAB replies are conspicuously missing from the list. I don’t like classic PUA IHAB destroyers such as

“Hey, no problem, you can bring him along on our date.”

or

“Cool, he can buy the first round.”

I’ve never liked these. They make the man sound like he’s forcing the issue. And they’re cheesy.

Perhaps a better way to handle the IHAB is to avoid it altogether. Preempt it by not giving the girl any reason to bring it up in the first place. An example of a preemptive IHAB blaster is “Are you single?” Upside: very effective neutralizing and filtering tactic. Downside: she might not have been planning to mention a boyfriend at all.





Comments


  1. I can attest to the lesbian neg working quite well on club rats. Even better: asking straight up “are you a lesbian?”

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  2. I don’t like the preemptive “Are you single?” types of questions, simply because most girls who have cheated on their BF with me, never even mentioned to me they had a boyfriend….

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  3. Her: I have a boyfriend
    VK: I have a gold fish
    Her: what?
    VK: Oh I thought we were talking about things that don’t matter

    Yoinked! of course

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  4. Your IHAB examples are all when a girl directly says she has a BF. But sometimes a girl will say it indirectly, and often out of context — like “nice watch; my boyfriend has one like it.”

    Are those are like the IHABs at the onset of conversation: a clear signal of disinterest?

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  5. agree with PA, what about the subtle IHAB

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  6. Why not just ignore the subtle ones. Personally I like the, “I don’t care.” response.

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  7. i ignore subtle IHABs. it could be a shit test. it could be her trying to avoid any awkwardness from having you make a move. she could just have a boyfriend and be oblivious to your intentions.

    in any case, who cares? proceed until she brings it up directly.

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  8. havent gotten an IHAB in a while. not sure if thats good or bad

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  9. Most important point, which went without saying in the post but needs to be said for some, is that there is no moral obligation to respect someone else’s girlfriend-boyfriend relationship. If she is not wearing a ring on L4, by definition she is available for an upgrade. It is really important to internalize this. (A live-in BF with whom she has kids is equivalent to married or engaged in this situation.)

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  10. I once used “thats not my problem” to the bf objection. Still got her number and she introduced me to all her friends.

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  11. Is IHAB really a shit-test? Doesn’t it depend how far into gaming her you are? If it’s part of her ASD LMR, then go ahead and break it, but if she’s giving you an IOD… how is a line going to change her mind?

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  12. golden.
    but what if she tosses the line with a curve?

    she won’t use a direct IHAB- But the situational “i love that watch, i want to buy it for my boyfriend.” or “my man and i just went to Spain, enjoy yourself when you go next week and check out so and so restaurant.”

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  13. on July 20, 2010 at 1:45 pm Vincent Ignatius

    How would you go about picking up a chick if her boyfriend is actually in the vicinity?

    I started gaming a girl at a bar recently and she quickly mentioned the fact that the bartender was her boyfriend, but she kept reengaging me and asking me questions. I had organized an event at this bar so it was packed with people who knew me and I was clearly the alpha of the group. She couldn’t help her gina tingle, but how the hell was I supposed to pick her up in front of her boyfriend?

    “Are you allowed to talk to other men without his permission?”

    This is pretty much my current IHAB response.

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  14. I haven’t seen:

    Hottie:”IHAB”

    Hopeful: “Oh, well I guess my place it is then”.

    It’s actually worked once or twice too. 🙂

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  15. Seducing men? WTF
    ——

    JUST like the characters in her favourite TV show, posh Christina Saunders knows good sex. And so she should, after seducing 1,000 MEN.

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/881539/Sex-and-the-City-fan-beds-1000-men.html

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  16. Hold up.

    Men who are maybe a 5, 6 or 7 (at best and faux Alphatizing their Beta natures) are constantly trying to shoot for a ‘8-9-10’ aren’t being hypergamous? A guy who isn’t satisfied with his ‘8’ and pining for a ‘9’ or ’10’ isn’t trying to constantly ‘upgrade’ even if only in fantasy?

    Hello? Hypocritical much? A much too much.

    Hilarity ensues.

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  17. Men who are maybe a 5, 6 or 7 (at best and faux Alphatizing their Beta natures) are constantly trying to shoot for a ’8-9-10′ aren’t being hypergamous?

    no. perhaps you should actually look up what that word means.

    that’s the second time i’ve seen you write something unforgiveably stupid. i’m not even going to wait for strike three to start ignoring you.

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  18. “The practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste”

    Males and females aren’t even looking for marriage at ‘clubs’ and ‘bars’.

    So, men aren’t trying to impress other men and women by increasing their ‘status’ with as beautiful a woman as he can ‘get’ on his arm for the time being?

    Hmm. Nope. Men are hypergamous too. Just because they aren’t marrying doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to up their social/alpha status by trying for a 8 thru 10.

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  19. Men are hypergamous too. Just because they aren’t marrying doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to up their social/alpha status by trying for a 8 thru 10.

    When women are hypergamous, they are shooting for higher-status men with no reciproical value of their own. Which is why this usually ends in pump & dump.

    When men learn Game they increase their value in womens’ eyes, and so a formerly 6 guy is now defacto an 8, so his hitting of a female 8 is hitting on a peer.

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  20. @ PA, not to slight game in any way, but probably the better analogy is that a male 6 with game hitting on a female 8 is like a female 6 with fake tan, bleach hair, fake boobs, fake nails hitting on a male 8.

    I think the long term results will also be similar: in the case of the female try-hard, she’s a likely pump and dump. In the case of the male with game techniques, he may have a bit more prolonged success, but if he doesn’t have the actual status to back up his appearance of social dominance, he will also be a victim of the sexual marketplace.

    [editor: game *is* actual status. do it enough and it even becomes second nature; no worries about “backsliding”.]

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  21. Reciprocal value being?

    If she has a job/career (which many women do nowadays), then I don’t see how there is no ‘value’ in that? If she has her own home/apartment?

    By today’s estimation, a stay-at-home type of woman with no job would be considered ‘no value’ I suppose?

    What about a girl who is going to College? No value?

    What about a Christian girl who is living with her parents until she marries? Again, no value?

    And, of course, if she has sex with you, definitely NO value. Right?

    This is insanity. lol

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  22. How about to getting the “I have a BF” to a request for a number, to go home, get me a drink being “That is not an answer to my question.”

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  23. PA “When women are hypergamous, they are shooting for higher-status men with no reciproical value of their own.”
    Definition “The practice of marrying into an equal or more prestigious social group or caste”

    Well apparently all women are hypergamous, personally I think all people are. Who wants to marry someone with less status than themselves?

    [editor: women date up more than men because women are the more discriminating sex. hypergamy is a mostly female phenomenon. and men don’t care about women’s social or occupational status.]

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  24. Reciprocal value being?

    LTR material qualities. Things that will make him love her. If she is plain and mousy but irresistably sexy to a superalpha for idiosyncratic reasons of his own, and has good character, then she’s not hypergamous in pursuing him.

    If she has a job/career (which many women do nowadays), then I don’t see how there is no ‘value’ in that? If she has her own home/apartment?

    Those things can be assets, irrelevant, or liabilities for a woman. Her looks and character determine which one.

    not to slight game in any way, but probably the better analogy is that a male 6 with game hitting on a female 8 is like a female 6 with fake tan, bleach hair, fake boobs, fake nails hitting on a male 8.

    There is assymetry in male vs female aspiration out of their league. A middling guy with game who is seen as an alpha by a hot female, is defacto on her level. Girls have beta filters and will rarely let a guy below their league sleep with them.

    An alpha who bangs a 5-6 with a fake tan knows he’s banging his inferior, and doesn’t mind it. But he won;t commit to her.

    I think the long term results will also be similar: in the case of the female try-hard, she’s a likely pump and dump. In the case of the male with game techniques, he may have a bit more prolonged success, but if he doesn’t have the actual status to back up his appearance of social dominance, he will also be a victim of the sexual marketplace.

    With practice, game becomes you. If he keeps up a good LTR game, which shoudl become second nature with practice, he will hold on to her, regardless of his actual status.

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  25. Lily

    “Who wants to marry someone with less status than themselves?”

    Marriage is the new N word.

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  26. What about the girl who mentions her boyfriend out of nowhere?

    “Yeah, me and my boyfriend went to the…”

    “My boyfriend has a….”

    “I’m going there with my boyfriend….”

    etc.

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  27. @editor
    “and men don’t care about women’s social or occupational status”
    I think they do for marriage purposes, it’s not just looks.

    [editor: it’s mostly looks. men do consider other female traits more carefully when deciding on a marriage partner, but those considerations have little to do with her job or social status. at least not directly.]

    But I appreciate that marriage is a N word around here.

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  28. Caveat to my last post, on the whole. There are always exceptions.

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  29. Submitted for collective consideration:

    Her: “IHAB”

    “Then he has my sympathies” Said with mock seriousness.

    “And I should care, why?” Depending on your tone and facial expression, this one can be used as either a qualifier or disqualifer. Added benefit is that it is a question and chicks love questions.

    “Who woulda thought?”

    “Well, stranger things have happened — but not many!”

    “Hey, I don’t want to know some other guy’s problems!”

    “No, this morning you had a boyfriend. If you play your cards right, tomorrow morning you’ll have a man in your life.” A bit wordy but cocky.

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  30. Lily–

    @editor
    “and men don’t care about women’s social or occupational status”
    I think they do for marriage purposes, it’s not just looks.

    I have a comment in moderation written before yours that says just that. I agree with you.

    Marriage is the N word because of what feminists have done to divorce 2.0. Particularly in Britain where prenups aren’t enforced, I think a high earning city man for example now has to be crazy to marry anyone who isn’t rich in her own right. Even then there are dangers, due to the different ways in which marital income and inherited property are treated in Anglosphere divorces.

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  31. Okay. Now, come up with a post for the poor saps who are the boyfriends on the receiving end of this f*ckery you have designed for their girlfriends. Bait and trap and be coy and sneaky about it. It’s as if you…don’t…really…care. Oh wait. She must not be that ‘honorable’…right? And, that makes youuuu? Uh huh.

    Proof positive that there are no ‘bros before hos’ club whatsoever. It’s all about banging other men’s wives/girlfriends with absolutely NO respect for the other ‘beta’ males.

    What alternate universe is this?

    Pathetic as per usual.

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  32. Girl: “IHAB!”

    Me: “Really?! Where? I’d like to meet him.”

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  33. Confidunce

    At the very least, you need to learn to flirt with your LTR if you’re going to keep her from flirting with other dudes.

    A certain amount, or even a lot, of your LTR girl flirting w/other dudes isn’t bad at all. In fact I encourage it. Builds her self confidence and feeling that she’s hot. Makes her hornier.

    It all depends on how she does it and what’s in her head. Some attention whoring in your LTR isn’t bad at all. But it must stay at that rather than more of course.

    As well it’s good to be out in front on these things, not tugging at her not to do it. Pushing and leading her, making her feel more adventurous and a bit risque.

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  34. Perhaps a better way to handle the IHAB is to avoid it altogether. Preempt it by not giving the girl any reason to bring it up in the first place. An example of a preemptive IHAB blaster is “Are you single?” Upside: very effective neutralizing and filtering tactic. Downside: she might not have been planning to mention a boyfriend at all.

    A better general rule is to never oblige a girl to talk about her BF. Always communicate in a way that suggests that YOUR time together is special, outside the usual BF-GF world.

    You’re not trying to pick her up. You and she are different. You’re relating on a higher or more interesting level where BF’s don’t exist.

    I’m not sure if newbs can carry this off, but it’s a good route.

    The best response if you get an IHAB to maintain this is “I don’t care.”

    The BF is irrelevant. That’s the frame you need.

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  35. on July 20, 2010 at 3:17 pm Steve Johnson

    Men aren’t hypergamous not because they don’t prefer 8s to 5s; they do, otherwise one’s not an 8 and the other not a 5.

    Men aren’t hypergamous because they aren’t looking to trade and upgrade they’re looking to add.

    Have an 8? You’ll still take sex from a 7.

    Women won’t. She loses by risking that the lower quality man will invade her eggs.

    Women are more like Oscar Wilde’s quote:

    “I have very simple tastes, I am always satisfied with the very best.”

    Quote for men:

    “Quantity has a quality all it’s own” (Joseph Stalin)

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  36. @MK-Ultra
    Okay. Now, come up with a post for the poor saps who are the boyfriends on the receiving end of this f*ckery you have designed for their girlfriends.

    What alternate universe is this?

    Pathetic as per usual.

    Um, dude. Don’t you get the message?

    The post for you is this entire site.

    Learn Game or whine into your beer or take it up with your women. This f*ckery doesn’t make women do anything they don’t want to do.

    Seriously. If you don’t like it, join it or stop whining.

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  37. @Doug
    “As well men really don’t much care what the girl’s own earned income is, or if anything view it negatively if it’s competitive w/their own. Inherited money is different though.”
    Depends. A lot of guys (mainly self-made ones) can have a big hang up on it. Could be more linked to class though.

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  38. on July 20, 2010 at 3:22 pm Rollo Tomassi

    The Boyfriend Disclaimer, also known as a Preemptive LJBF. The Boyfriend Disclaimer rejection occurs when a woman slips the information of her unavailability (due to the BF) covertly into casual conversation. It’s simply a communication device with the latent purpose of proactively rejecting him (where a LJBF is a reactive rejection). Men have a tendency to think women are abstract and scattered when in fact they are very calculating, it’s just that covert communication is second nature for them.

    The idea behind the Boyfriend Disclaimer is that you’ve overplayed and telegraphed your interest in her overtly enough that she wants to save herself the potential embarrassment and discomfort of having to needlessly go through the process of you asking her out. As I said, it’s proactive – “Hey lets save us both the trouble of you trying to hook up with me and get to the part where we agree to LJBF.” This is a very common practice for exceptionally attractive women who, through frequency, more readily read the approach behaviors of guys who are attracted to her.

    In fact it’s a glaring sign of a woman’s immaturity to hear what’s become a such a dating cliché. Ladies, we have the internet now, we compare notes with each other, we’re on to you.

    Girl: “I have a boyfriend…..”
    Man: “Wow….amazing…seriously, that’s amazing!”
    Girl: “What? That I have a boyfriend?”
    Man: “No, that I’ve barely known you for 5 minutes and you’re already telling me your problems.”
    Girl: “lmao!”

    This is easily the best response. Not only do you overtly acknowledge her lame cliché, you simultaneously cast her BF (real or imagined) as a “problem”. Delivered with a clever smile and it also serves as an intro for a Boyfriend Destroyer script.

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  39. Nuclear…response:

    “Famous last words….”

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  40. Lily–

    Question for you. When professional type Anglo Brits talk about class, is it possible to be upper class without having some aristo blood in there? Do life honors lordships count for this?

    Is someone who’s got 75 million pounds of wealth and went to a good university upper class in Britain, if he’s made it all and there are no aristos in his line that anyone’s figured out?

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  41. Polymath,
    I agree with you. I assumed she was talking more about a casual relationship with someone else.

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  42. @MK-Ultra:

    Gorbachev is right: you need to be learning these skills in order to keep your woman from straying. At the very least, you need to learn to flirt with your LTR if you’re going to keep her from flirting with other dudes.

    The only thing I’d add is that other sites are more appropriate for the LTR aspects of game. Athol Kay’s blog is my favorite. (www.marriedmansexlife.com). If CH teaches you offense, Athol teaches you defense.

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  43. Men aren’t hypergamous because they aren’t looking to trade and upgrade they’re looking to add.

    Add what? If you already have ‘quality’ why ‘add’ skanky DOWNGRADES into the mix (Tiger Woods)?

    And, if you add someone as HOT or HOTTER that IS an UPGRADE whether the current LTR ‘quality’ woman knows it or not.

    Is ‘getting’ a woman from another ‘man’ a part of ‘game’ and if so, does that mean she’s not a ‘keeper’ or harder to ‘keep’ once you think you ‘have’ her? Where do STDs and accidental pregnancies come into play? Is anyone talking protection against both here?

    My head can’t wrap around this AT ALL and how it could possibly make a man’s life BETTER, Happier, more FULFILLED or EASIER in the long run. To me, it sounds like one big headache filled with DRAMA. Is this a BETA thing to introduce so much drama into a relationship to try and get a woman?

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  44. on July 20, 2010 at 3:40 pm 9, The Editor

    I freaking love this…the lp 999

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  45. MK-ULTRA shut the fuck up

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  46. Also, once the ‘quality’ woman finds out, she might forgive but she will probably leave if that behavior is kept up which means, yes, you are hypergamous because you keep trying to ‘add’ (whether upgrades/downgrades) and most women won’t stay in that situation and risk their health due to STDs or you getting some other woman pregnant and taking away from her quality of life in a LTR/Marriage.

    So, perhaps, men are a combination of polygamous/hypergamous.

    When a woman gets older with the man and he wants a ‘younger’ woman, that also is hypergamous ‘upgrading’.

    At least admit it instead of skirting the issue with excuses about ‘women’ are just this way and ‘men’ are all about spreading their seed (to women who can use birth-control and abort no less).

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  47. Anonymous–

    Seconded.

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  48. @Steve Johnson
    Quote for men:
    “Quantity has a quality all it’s own” (Joseph Stalin)

    Oddly enough, this is sometimes one of men’s more endearing qualities.

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  49. @Doug

    Interesting question. No, life honours don’t count in terms of class.

    I believe John Prescott has a life honours. Even when he was in the House of Commons, MPs on the other side of the House (he was Labour so I’m referring to Conservative members) even in government speeches would make jokes about what drink they wanted (he had at one point been a steward on a ship). He’s actually a pretty awful character but it’s pretty caddish behaviour. I can’t imagine what it’s going to be like in the Lords for him now he has the peerage – even with a reformed Upper House, there are plenty there whose family have been serving for hundreds of years.

    However, it is considered that you can move from one class to another in 3 generations, one example is the Palumbo family who went from immigrant to upper class. Although, I don’t think they will be completely accepted amongst aristos who have lots of different levels amongst themselves.

    I can’t think of many people who are worth 75 million who also went to say Oxbridge as that level of money is more in line with business than say city or law, and people like this tend to have gone to a less important university or not at all. Sure, you will be considered a very successful business person (as in Victorian times with people in trade) and may have high society status but you’re not upper class.

    I find it quite interesting this whole looks thing. When I was say 22, though I’m what’s considered upper middle class, I would never have expected a LTR or marriage out of an aristo (or even the highest levels of upper middle class). The thought of someone like David Cameron (though he’s not good looking) marrying someone from my background is actually quite laughable. It wouldn’t have occurred to me. Of course he’s going to marry someone with the surname of a major city, even if she’s lower down in the HB points scale than other women he could get. I know things are different in the US but I can’t imagine some HB10 from a lower background marrying Bill Clinton over Hillary.

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  50. i got “i have a boyfriend” twice this weekend. once by my spanish waitress at lunch and once by the friends of a girl i was grind dancing with, they were like 19. so this post has particular relevance for me.

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  51. Add what? If you already have ‘quality’ why ‘add’ skanky DOWNGRADES into the mix (Tiger Woods)?

    yet more evidence that mkultra is a woman. would any man seriously ask this question?

    is it really hard to understand the difference between a quality and level of status? men desire the qualities of beauty and fidelity and nurtering in women. women desire a man of high-status.

    does mean that men don’t care at all about status and women don’t care about qualities? no. men don’t generally want to marry the girl who’s status is ‘town tramp’ no matter how hot she is. and women would prefer a high-status man who is attractive and kind (at least some of the time) and faithful to one who isn’t. in each case, however, we are talking about the basis for attraction. for men it’s beauty and for women it’s status. and that is why women are hypergamous.

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  52. on July 20, 2010 at 4:15 pm msexceptiontotherule

    @MK-Ultra

    Uhmmm..I’ve generally assumed that most of the commenters here are intelligent enough to understand that they’re acting in their best interest to have protected sex with the skanks they meet at bars who go home with them that first night.

    If they’re not, it’s just natural selection weeding out the stupid ones.

    But back to the first part….it’s something that goes without saying – if they manage to use a computer to comment on an internet blog, they probably know they can’t just stick it in anything bareback and not expect some major negatives to that sort of thing at some point.

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  53. j r, not ONE of those women that Tiger screwed around with would give a guy who appreciates beauty ANY wood. Did YOU personally get lift-off from the fake, UGLY skanks he toyed with?

    I’m not enlightened whatsoever.

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  54. @jr
    I’ll leave the class thing out of it because I appreciate it may be an English thing.

    But let’s say:
    In looks 5, worth 50 million,
    In looks 9, worth 5 million

    The second wins..hand down!

    [editor: there’s not much day to day practical difference between $5 million and $50 million. a better comparison would be

    looks 5, worth 50 mil
    looks 9, worth 50K

    9 out of 10 hot girls will choose the first dude, all else being equal.]

    But sure either wins over the 10-looking guy worth 10 pounds. (he can’t have much going for him in terms of drive if he can be so good looking but not got anywhere in life unless he say gave everything up to be an artist which is really good but nobody buys it).

    Though to me personally, character is number 1. If you’re a fairly good looking girl and you really widen your pool as far as you can, there are lots of guys around with money and lots of guys with looks.

    But character is very very rare in this day and age. That gets lots of points which could cancel out looks or money. Of course ideally you’d want all three, but life’s not perfect 🙂 Anyway, many women have their own money these days, so I tin character could be even more important.

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  55. Hell, old Hef gets better ass than Tiger.

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  56. * Girl: “I have a boyfriend.”
    Man: “Hey, my dog can juggle.”
    Girl: “What?”
    Man: “I’m sorry, I thought we were talking about shit that didn’t matter.”

    This is a qualifying IHAB killer. You are implying you have designs to bang her, and are mocking her IHAB for the adorable little whiny objection it is. (The hidden subtext is “Let’s get back to seducing each other.”) A bit too clever by half for my taste; could work well on hard-charging lawyer cunts with high Wordsum scores.

    Wouldn’t use this personally, too well known. There’s even a Facebook group about it

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  57. Offer a woman five men and she’ll pick the best one and throw out the rest.

    Offer a man five women and he’ll take them all. And then look for more.

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  58. lily,

    status isn’t looks and it isn’t money. it doesn’t exclude those things, but it is comprised of a bigger basket of goods.

    and when i say what women prefer and what men prefer, i am speaking in generalities and trends. any individual woman may likely have different preferences.

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  59. @Fred
    You’re right lol.
    So is the woman the ‘inferior’ being because of this?

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  60. Here are other scenarios:

    1:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: “Fuck you!”

    2:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: “Nice pussy though.” (you then procede to grab her pussy)

    3:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: (before she finishes, you procede to release your dick)

    4:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: “Your mom is my girlfriend.”

    5:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: “I fucked your mom.”

    6:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: “I fucked your mom as I will fuck you today.” (women submit to over-confidence)

    7:
    Her: “IHAB.”
    You: (before she finishes, you grab and french-kiss another girl in the room, then you turn to her and say:) “What did you just said?”

    You can pick from whatever you like.

    Bottom line, don’t own girlfriends as the odds that she will cheat are 60%, and don’t bow to the social pressures that forces you to have ones.

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  61. @j r
    Sure of course. But looks do matter to a woman (more than many PUAs would care to admit, let’s face it Mystery is a very good looking dude and Style most of all needed a makeover, he’s not bad looking), it’s just as you say that it’s in a greater basket of things.

    [editor: nah. style is downright ugly, and i met his girlfriend during his last book signing. she was hot. at least 4 points above him on the looks scale. game + social status absolutely trumps looks on men.]

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  62. @j r
    Just as well women do look beyond looks. If we take game out of the equation, a male 3 is better off than a female 3.

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  63. on July 20, 2010 at 2:43 pm greatbooksformen

    hey i met a young mail order bride hot hot hot russian girl who models who is married to a middle aged beta herb who is totally apranoid because she wants 2 see my nutsack.

    what should i do?

    about ten years ago i wouldas dones her lzozlzlzollol

    but now omg all the crazy assed shit lzozlzozlzl

    like one of the promblems is that eventually lotsa womenz just want 2 create a scpeatcalclel lzozlzozlzl and have a bunch of guys fight over them lzozlzl

    too much baggage

    especially when with my giant nutsack baggage finding chicks who are single hot free isn’t o hard lzozllz

    but she is exceptionnlalaly hot and cutre and wants to please me.

    do i say no?

    proabbly will say no lsoslslsl my now i’ve seen sooo much pussy that unless hers i gold plated with a diamond clit it won’t be all that better lzozlzlzozoz

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  64. and lily,

    as for character, if it’s true in your case i applaud you. i do, however, think that character is a severely discounted attribute in today’s sexual marketplace.

    go into an inner-city ghetto and find two men. one who works his ass off at a fast-food restaurant to support his family and attends college at night. another sleeps most of the day and sells drugs all night, the proceeds of which he spends on shiny jewelry and spinning rims. which one is attracting more women?

    go to a working class neighborhood and find two men. one works long hours at a blue-collar job, owns a modest home and goes to church every sunday. another lives in his mom’s basement, smokes pot all day and plays in a shitty rock band on the weekends. which one is attracting more women?

    go to an swanky suburb and find two men. one spends countless hours in the library trying to maintain his scholarship, cause he doesn’t like the idea of going to school on his parent’s dime. another got into college cause his parents went there; his grades suck, he speeds around town in the BMW his daddy bought him and spends most of the money his parents give him on a coke habit. which one is attracting more women?

    there are women who would pick the former in each instance, but they are in the minority. that only switches once women get to an age where their looks are fading or they’ve got kids to support.

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  65. how long till game over when girlfriend calls me “baby boy” ?

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  66. Offer a woman five men and she’ll pick the best one and throw out the rest.

    Offer a man five women and he’ll take them all. And then look for more.

    That depends on if you mix up the rules and remove any/all previous ‘rules’ regarding society:

    If you told the woman she could legally have them all (and the men were fine with that) she would most likely pick them all…

    and

    If you told a man he could only pick one, then he would no doubt pick the best.

    I’m sure there are women who have fantasies of having their own harem of men (and women) at their disposal.

    There are way too many tastes and preferences to box people in and given the ‘morality’ codes of any given society plus the real risks associated with loose sexual encounters, we have what we have today (a lot of very confused, frustrated, rudderless youth).

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  67. PA–

    Your IHAB examples are all when a girl directly says she has a BF. But sometimes a girl will say it indirectly, and often out of context — like “nice watch; my boyfriend has one like it.”

    Are those are like the IHABs at the onset of conversation: a clear signal of disinterest?

    I think the odds go way up that she really does have a boyfriend, rather than a place holder or someone who’s just dating her, when she says it indirectly like that.

    Everything depends upon feeling her temperature towards you. I tell when a girls attracted to me. Has she been responding to your playful teasing with interest, or is she LJBFing you?

    If you’ve got emotional sexual interest, then work in one of the the IHAB responses he suggests, seems to me. The key thing that all the good ones he suggests have in common is that you don’t take the IHAB line as a barrier so far as you’re concerned. You’d been with plenty of chicks that had boyfriends, etc. That background attitude.

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  68. Her: “I have a boyfriend.”

    Me (nodding, like ‘That’ll work’) “Good, you can try to teach him the new sex stuff you learn from me.”

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  69. Hugh Hefner’s secret is he opens the doors to Hollywood acting to midwestern hotties. Or that’s what they hope/think he’ll do, and has done a good bit in the past. Provides connections anyway.

    His parties draw lots of actors, directors, producers. There for the easy sex vibe and tons of hot girls of course. Has fed on itself. So it still works into his viagra 70s.

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  70. CH —

    @Lily and men don’t care about women’s social or occupational status.

    Men don’t care much, unless it’s exceptional, when picking up a girl for a pump and dump or short fling. They do care, or men with higher SES care, when picking out a wife or even a LTR girlfriend that they’ll be associated with. But yes, through it all they care a good lot less than girls at a similar strata of society.

    As well men really don’t much care what the girl’s own earned income is, or if anything view it negatively if it’s competitive w/their own. Inherited money is different though.

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  71. As for the first I had in mind someone like a well known actress, or celebrity etc. There are bragging rights which attach including for just a short fling on one time bang.

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  72. Doug1, Hef isn’t in his 70s any longer. He’s 84! Viagra? At that age he probably gets embalming fluid transfusions. lol

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  73. “nice watch; my boyfriend has one like it.”

    Wasn’t this a seinfeld episode?
    From my recollection, a girl told this to George on one episode.
    He called it, a stealthy way to bring the boyfriend into the conversation.

    or something like this. does anyone else remember?

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  74. Lily–

    But looks do matter to a woman (more than many PUAs would care to admit,

    Girls have a big tendency, encouraged by mass entertainment media, to map a perception of hot male looks onto a guy who is edgie, full of energy, and playfully dominant.

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  75. on July 20, 2010 at 5:13 pm The Specimen

    Haven’t read the forum, but here’s a couple that have served me well in the past.

    IHAB
    How long have you had that problem?

    IHAB
    Don’t worry, he won’t mind.

    (used whe she starts out the convo saying, “Just to let you know…”)
    IHAB
    Damn, and I was just about to whip my cock out too.

    The one about the dog juggling is gold. Totally fits my personality so the delivery will be on point. Definitely going to use that one for any situation where she’s bringing up childish objections. Yoink!

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  76. Lily–

    By map I mean girls tend to really perceive good looks when the guy is edgie and emotionally compelling.

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  77. I’m confused with how we’re defining “game”. Both of you say that game IS status. This is contrary to my understanding from previous posts. Tell me what I’m missing.

    i would define game as the behavioral mechanics that cause attraction. some men have natural game and some had to learn it, but it’s still the same set of behaviors.

    status is a measurement that takes into account, among other things, game. a guy who is a six on paper may be an eight in person because he has game. he may also be a four in person because his game is so bad.

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  78. @ jr

    I’m sure they do probably get more ‘poon’, but are they getting women who will be their partner in life? And yes I can imagine some of the other types of guy you mentioned get trampled on too 😦

    Thanks for the compliment on character but I also noted what you said at the end on looks fading at the rofl.

    To me character is something inside, not like a provider thing. The provider thing just isn’t enough, especially when women don’t ‘need’ that. The challenge for women is to communicate that without seeming like you don’t appreciate what a guy has achieved in his life.

    On a personal basis, I have a conflict with the Player. He has a big chip on his shoulder because he is a self-made man and doesn’t consider himself marriage material for me because of class (but as I said that’s most likely an English thing, personally, I certainly don’t care, maybe when I was 18 but at my age I don’t care what my parents or their friends think now on which knife and fork to use etc lol). He also has an image of women as gold diggers because that’s who he has been attracting (it’s kind of a side effect of driving up to a nightclub in your very expensive car and chatting up twenty year olds but I think cause and effect is only sinking in now, not that I’d ever discuss it with him in those terms) and I think a bit of a madonna/whore complex which doesn’t help male/female relationships.

    But it’s hard for me to say to him look I don’t care about your x car because that can come across as an insult, I know how hard he worked to get that car. But I really don’t care.

    The thing is if you’re relatively attractive woman, even if you’re in your thirties, if you really widen your social circle (which is easier to do when you’re say 33 rather than say 18), then there are lots of men around with money or status. Sure, there may be competition for them but there’s a lot of them if you widen your social circle enough. And you don’t need them to pay your bills. So character becomes really important (again not in a beta provider way).

    The Player thinks I don’t consider him marriage material because of class and will end up marrying a guy who probably has half the money he has but is upper middle class. But if I did end up marrying the other guy it would not be to do with class but because the other guy is a decent guy and was married for most of his adult life and I know how he treated his ex wife and children on divorce as opposed to someone who has been promiscous most of his adult life and quite emotionally unavailable. The Player does have character otherwise I wouldn’t have him in my life (I know plenty of players who don’t and they are not in my life) but it’s not on the same level. He does have game though so it’s quite interesting.

    FYI both are alphas.

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  79. By map I mean girls tend to really perceive good looks when the guy is edgie and emotionally compelling.

    perfect example. a couple of years ago i put on mad weight. i was talking about this with one of my femal friends and she said, ‘i never really thought of you as fat.’ i was literally 35lbs heavier. i was fat.

    another good example is whenever women talk about “sluts.” to a woman, the term slut has much more to do with how much she likes the person than with actual behavior.

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  80. @Doug
    You’re right. I think in most cases they know the guy’s not conventionally or model looking but they still say he’s good looking.

    Chic was talking about Tommy Lee recently and I didn’t know much about him and google imaged him and he didn’t seem v attractive but I guess if you know who is he, he probably has a whole bad boy persona thing going on.

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  81. @jr
    “another good example is whenever women talk about “sluts.” to a woman, the term slut has much more to do with how much she likes the person than with actual behavior.”
    I think if women don’t know a woman they will make a judgement on her behaviour but if she’s your friend for 5 or 10 years, that friendship counts far far more. And you don’t judge your friends. We do have loyalty you know 🙂

    It works both ways. I know one guy who is:
    a) really good looking guy, say 9.5
    b) super nice
    c) just loves women. would never be mysogonistic.

    He says the *most* outrageous things in front of his female friends about women and and nobody cares. Seriously, I’ve never heard of some of th stuff he talks about.

    But everyone loves him. Sure they will say TMI or whatever, but I cannot imagine any other guy saying and getting away with it with even 2 out of the 3.

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  82. @Doug1:

    “A certain amount, or even a lot, of your LTR girl flirting w/other dudes isn’t bad at all. In fact I encourage it. Builds her self confidence and feeling that she’s hot. Makes her hornier.”

    Agreed to an extent. But it’s better if she can get those feelings from flirting with you. You’ve got to keep yourself new and surprising to her if she’s not going to get bored with you over the long-term.

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  83. I was just googling infidelity statistics and it seems women cheat almost as much as men (if they are being completely truthful it’s probably closer to men than what the stats say).

    So, what makes a woman ‘hypergamous’ by cheating on a Beta with an Alpha when she has no intention of leaving her husband for the ‘bad’ boy Alpha who would be a ‘downgrade’? If she has a whole string of affairs that she doesn’t take seriously does that make her polygamous?

    IMHO, a man who cheats on his ‘good girl’ wife with ‘bad girls/hot girls/skanks/prostitutes/etc.’ is just as hypergamous as the cheating wife. If he leaves her for the ‘other’ woman then he’s most assuredly ‘hypergamous’ in the most literal sense.

    If the ‘wife’ gets pregnant it sucks for the husband.
    If the husband’s ‘paramour’ gets pregnant it sucks for the wife. Either way, it’s bad for marriage/relationships to cheat and it takes a lot of work and commitment for either sex to be loyal and true to their betrothed.

    But, just because it’s harder to be with only one person doesn’t mean it’s impossible or that monogamy is some sort of prison for either sex. Are some people better suited to sticking it out in a relationship? Perhaps.

    If a woman leaves an abusive, cheating husband and eventually marries someone who is good to her does that mean she’s being hypergamous? I don’t think so.

    If a man is being cheated on and raising a child that is not his own does but he doesn’t know it, does that mean he’s automatically a ‘beta’ or a clueless Alpha?

    If a woman is perfectly fine with her boyfriend/husband ‘cheating’ with other women on the side, does that mean she’s automatically being ‘faithful’ or does that mean she’s got a great excuse for having flings herself?

    All of this just seems like too much over-thought. The 90s were good to me. Are things really that different from then?

    I’m done here for the day.

    You’re welcome.

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  84. the indirect mention of a boyfriend is even easier to ignore because the statement doesn’t demand a response. if you offer one you fail.

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  85. Less flapping of the lips and more action. Just pretend you didn’t hear her.

    No word game.

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  86. I’ve used “I don’t care” before but I now think it comes across as defensive, like it bothered you that she told you she has a bf. I felt like I was trying too hard.

    Lately I’ve been saying “That’s nice. That’s great you met someone.” Without any hint of sarcasm. If she goes on about him (“Yeah I’m so happy with him… we just had our 6 month anniversary”), then it’s probably somewhat serious and you can eject. If she just smiles or nods back and doesn’t add anything further detail about the relationship, proceed as if nothing happened.

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  87. @MK Ultra
    I think the reason you’re getting stick around here is because your posts are a bit unfocused.

    But, my perspective on some of your ramblings:

    “IMHO, a man who cheats on his ‘good girl’ wife with ‘bad girls/hot girls/skanks/prostitutes/etc.’ is just as hypergamous as the cheating wife. If he leaves her for the ‘other’ woman then he’s most assuredly ‘hypergamous’ in the most literal sense.”
    If one expands hypergamous wider to include looks then yes men do often ‘trade up’ if they leave their wife for another. It’s been going on for a while, ‘first wives club’ etc where the woman he married young and helped him get on is life is cast aside for the younger better-looking model.
    Monogamy isn’t natural, either for men or women, particularly not with average lifespan being as high as it is now.
    “If the ‘wife’ gets pregnant it sucks for the husband. If the husband’s ‘paramour’ gets pregnant it sucks for the wife. Either way, it’s bad for marriage/relationships to cheat”
    It’s worse for a guy if he unwittingly brings up a child that’s not his. I’m not sure it’s as widespread as some may say (the unwittingly part) but it’s still worse. Not that it wouldn’t be awful for the woman if her husband fathered a child elsewhere (and to me a guy who I’m married to knowing he had a child but not ‘manning up’ to it would be worse than the cheating, as above I like men with character), but it’ s not as bad.
    “If a woman leaves an abusive, cheating husband and eventually marries someone who is good to her does that mean she’s being hypergamous? I don’t think so”
    Depends on the status of the guy beyond being good for her. If he’s lower status, she may be settling for the best she thinks she can get. Doesn’t mean that in an ideal world she doesn’t want a partner who is the same or higher status than her.
    “If a man is being cheated on and raising a child that is not his own does but he doesn’t know it, does that mean he’s automatically a ‘beta’ or a clueless Alpha?”
    Could be either. Depends on their relationship and also possibly what other children they have together.

    I’m done for the day too, got a Grand Theft Auto, DVD and cuddling session.

    Have a good night!

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  88. Sorry it’s not related, but I noticed a couple of you talking about the British class system and I was just wondering if you’d clear something up for me. If your mother was descended from non-British nobility (like from the Caucasus or Middle East) and your father was a commoner, what class would you be in the eyes of the British upper class? Is it at all relevant if the commoner father held a high government post?

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  89. @msexceptiontotherule
    Er…a lot of guys aren’t that careful about protection, see Tiger Woods, Roosh or even our very esteemed host. Even if they are (which they’re not), there’s still HPV which condoms don’t protect against and can lead to cervical cancer for the wife (but I won’t talk more about that as we got told off for it by the Dark Lord recently because it was frankly a bit boring).

    @MK
    Don’t bother your pretty little head with Tiger, I certainly don’t want to bother mine. Sure there is the case of married men and affairs and the ‘fog’ but he has much greater problems than that, we’ll never understand it.

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  90. “If a woman leaves an abusive, cheating husband and eventually marries someone who is good to her does that mean she’s being hypergamous? I don’t think so.”

    no, because in this case she wasn’t really the one who left. he was.

    if she really wanted a guy who was good to her that is the sort of guy she would have looked for when she was younger hotter tighter — not the guy she finally settled for after she’d been kicked to the curb.

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  91. Folks,

    It’s like the old song: “La Donne è mobile” – Women are flighty. They can’t help it, it’s the way they were made.

    If you don’t want your lady straying, I’d reckon you need to know these two points:

    1. If you know how to use Game offensively, you can use it defensively. Be the biggest dog in the yard.
    2. A woman who’s physically satisfied, all the time, isn’t going to stray (but don’t take her word, because they’ll lie to God himself).

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  92. @ PA and CH,

    I’m confused with how we’re defining “game”. Both of you say that game IS status. This is contrary to my understanding from previous posts. Tell me what I’m missing.

    [editor: confidence is its own gina tingler.]

    My understanding was that game was a collection of behaviors that indicate high status, or alpha status to women. Most of these behaviors were observed from natural alphas. By using these behaviors, one not naturally an alpha can hit all the evolutionary buttons of the female lizard brain, causing a gina tingle. The female is pre-programmed to associate these behaviors with alpha-status, and so her lizard brain fires off the attraction neurons.

    But game is not alpha status itself. Game is meant to simulate high status (innate confidence, intelligence, looks, social standing, income, education level).

    A guy with 6 looks and tight game might be able to raise his score a couple points in the moment with a higher rated girl, but over time, if he’s unemployed, relatively shallow, with average looks (i.e. he isn’t really high status by any objective measure), no amount of game is going to keep a quality girl with options interested. I think game really helps that 6 in comparision with other 6’s, but if a true male 8 comes along, who has actual status, that 6 is history. He’s not even in the running anymore, no matter how internalized his game.

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  93. Anonymous,

    By the way, the class system in Britain isn’t quite the same as it used to be.

    The old aristocracy have lost nearly all their wealth and power.

    The current aristocracy is those who reached Oxford, Cambridge, or a very few other universities.

    Strange thing is, social mobility in the UK is now less than it was 50 years ago.

    Parentage doesn’t count for much. But where you went to college, (and to a lesser extent, your earlier education) is what matters.

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  94. I agree that confidence and the social dominance, emotional IQ required to run tight game are positive factors in evaluating a man’s status. But they are just one of many factors, and cannot amount to high status alone. I imagine there is probably a strong correlation between those with game and financial success, physical health, intelligence, etc….

    In my midwestern subculture, I can think of men with good game and low or average status. My next door neighbors are a good example. They are three nice looking dudes in their 30s, they together own a nice house with a great bar and hot tub. They are fun guys and have good personalities. And I personally hate seeing the hot young girls that they get to visit them while I’m watching my kids play in the front yard. But they can’t make the sale, and they’ve missed the boat. None of them are really financially successful, none have advanced degrees in anything, they like to party and watch sports. Fun guys, girls like to party with them, but the quality girls in town won’t even consider them. There’s a maturity that comes with real status that game doesn’t necessarily require. And when chicks are looking to plant their flag, they look for that. But some guys probably don’t want LTR or marriage, so numerous enjoyable yet shallow relationships with young tight chicks is probably just fine for them. I don’t judge.

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  95. @Slav
    “”Is IHAB really a shit-test? Doesn’t it depend how far into gaming her you are?””

    I gamed a hot married woman. She told me she had a husband. I ignored.

    I used the “don’t tell me your problems” line.

    After a period of time, she stopped bringing it up.

    The point is, if they’re interested, it’s a kind of shit-test to check interest or to get plausible deniability after banging you that you’re not going to be hanging around getting in her face.

    In my case after I banged her a few times she felt guilty and said “We can’t see each other.”

    My response: “I don’t care.”

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  96. MK Ultra,
    I really don’t think most women want a harem of men. Oscar Wilde is right we just want the best.

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  97. how about “what’s that have to do with anything?” as a response…. that seems to work in almost any situation…. in my experience

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  98. As an aside- has anybody heard of Sex at Dawn? A new book that rethinks the standard narrative of human sexuality and argues convincingly on the unnaturalness of monogamy. I’m only halfway through and it’s already blown my mind like 10 times. A must read for, well, everybody, but especially those of us who like to ponder social dynamics.
    Read the excerpt on the website – there should definitely be a post on this.
    sexatdawn.com

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  99. Unrelated

    Anyone interested in how the economic ponzi scheme could possibly be worse than in the US:

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2010/07/21/2003478441

    Just wait for that one to go off.

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  100. But what if she’s telling the truth, why pursue her?

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  101. Doug
    A certain amount, or even a lot, of your LTR girl flirting w/other dudes isn’t bad at all. In fact I encourage it. Builds her self confidence and feeling that she’s hot. Makes her hornier.

    It all depends on how she does it and what’s in her head. Some attention whoring in your LTR isn’t bad at all. But it must stay at that rather than more of course.

    As well it’s good to be out in front on these things, not tugging at her not to do it. Pushing and leading her, making her feel more adventurous and a bit risque.

    this is all true, but this is one of a whole suite of “beta traits” whose acceptable intensity is COMPLETELY dependent on how much you’ve jacked up the corresponding alpha traits.

    in other words, allowing (and even encouraging) your woman to flirt with other men, because, yes, it makes her hornier, is acceptable — IF you are dominant enough in terms of alpha traits. if you aren’t alpha enough, then she’ll interpret exactly the same degree of flirting as an open invitation to trade up.

    it’s actually a surprisingly simple relationship — the more alpha you are, the more beta you can be as well, pretty much in proportion. (it’s not the alpha traits that make a woman really fall in love — it’s the beta traits that do this, provided they’re modulated by superior alpha traits.)
    i’ve actually broken it down to a formula, to first approximation.

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  102. what about

    ” I have a boyfriend”

    …….

    ” Cool, we’ll be discreet”

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  103. “As an aside- has anybody heard of Sex at Dawn? A new book that rethinks the standard narrative of human sexuality and argues convincingly on the unnaturalness of monogamy. I’m only halfway through and it’s already blown my mind like 10 times. A must read for, well, everybody, but especially those of us who like to ponder social dynamics.
    Read the excerpt on the website – there should definitely be a post on this.”

    read all the excerpts. the claims about the revolutionary claims are revolutionary. the claims are not.

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  104. I think ignoring is the best response, unless she is clearly dismissing you. Otherwise, how about: “It has been nice talking with you, have a good evening,” and then turning to leave?

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  105. AHE,
    Your comment made me laugh.

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  106. I find the lesbian thing works well but you need to modify it a bit.

    Her: IHAB
    Me: Really? (smirk, laugh for a few seconds) I came over here because my friend wanted to meet you. She thought you were a lesbian.

    It’s a solid neg, but not a nuclear one because it is indirect.

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  107. I don’t think you’ll need any negs for this one…http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/881539/Sex-and-the-City-fan-beds-1000-men.html

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  108. @ MK-Ultra,

    If you told the woman she could legally have them all (and the men were fine with that) she would most likely pick them all…

    and

    If you told a man he could only pick one, then he would no doubt pick the best.

    Wise words, and absolutely true. Don’t forget that marriages are more likely to end in divorce when the wife cheats, compared to when the man cheats.

    So much of “biology” is based on social mores and tradition, most of which happen to benefit men (and that’s why it’s mostly men who harp on and on about “how things just are”). Just look at Pre-Christian Europe with their matriarchal religions.

    If men were afraid of being slut-shamed, losing their reputation/jobs/respect, and being physically attacked/raped by people stronger than him for his choices, they would take only one woman too.

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  109. Just assume the sale and flirt her up. 90% of the time the boyfriend won’t get mentioned if you show enough mystery and value. There is the social pressure equivalent of a 200 pound weight on her not to mention anything that would ruin her interaction with you.

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  110. Sidewinder,
    That was a good comment on game. Your neighbors sound like fun guys and I’m sure many women would like them, but in a way you’re right, it’s not really what many women dream of when they imagine the type of man they would like to marry. Conventional measures of success still hold weight with many women. Now whether they can get a high status man or even if they would be that happy with him are a different story. I suspect CH knows this and this could possibly be the reason he writes so often about bigger social and political issues facing the country. A much as game may be fun his talents would be slightly wasted only on chatting up women in bars.

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  111. on July 20, 2010 at 11:17 pm Serious Reader

    Love your writing. Thanks for doing it.

    I have game. I am not a AFC.
    That said, here is a pattern I’ve noticed.

    EVERY girl who has used “ok, ill catch ya later babe”
    Or, “Hey honey, how’ve you been?”….
    has ALWAYS been a dead end.
    (super-flirt = dead end)

    My take: She is wired to string guys along…..and loves the pack of dogs pursuing her…
    Frankly, I fiind it annoying, b/c it’s clear they’re F’ing with me…
    No girl I’ve ever fucked has used the word “honey” and “babe” on me while in seduction mode…
    In general, I disengage immed. when I send asymmetric interest level (eg: doesn’t counteroffer a date night)

    Would love to hear your analysis, and I’d love some disarming rebuttals for this, to shut down her cute little game,
    and to show I am not falling for her bullshit mindgames….

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  112. [editor: nah. style is downright ugly, and i met his girlfriend during his last book signing. she was hot. at least 4 points above him on the looks scale. game + social status absolutely trumps looks on men.]

    Can confirm that Style has quite a bit of gollum going on in the looks department. Dude is TINY as well. I went to 1 of his early appearances for the release of The Game and I swear he was mad dogging some of the taller, better looking guys in the audience.

    100% believable that he had NO access to women prior to acquiring game + shifting his status from … employed writer of major magazine … to semi-celebrity status in multiple mainstream outlets.

    I’m friends w/ 1 of the minor characters from that book, this guy is a MASTER at manipulating others perceptions of him. If you meet him solo, you would think he was pretty much a tool. Very goofy voice and style about him, but he knows everyone, major parties and club access run through him, and he’s convinced a very cool swath of LA that he is a cool, connected dude. And he is.

    And that’s the point. You are what you are.

    If you want certain things, women, money, power, etc, you have them.

    If you WANT these things.

    Most people can list the things they want, but their actions speak otherwise.

    Want to be rich? Do you work around the clock (heh, Harrison Ford quote)? Do you take risks? Do you leverage every personal and professional resource you have in the pursuit of wealth? I don’t do these things, I’m well off, but I’m not rich.

    Do you want loads of pussy? Do you open every attractive woman you see? Again, do you take risks? Do you put your ego on the line? Do you follow the advice on this blog (seriously, this is gold, consider yourselves verrrry lucky that CH is so prolific in his writing), or do you only follow the easy steps? I don’t do all of these things, I get some pussy, but not to my full potential.

    You are what you are. No excuses bitches.

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  113. “So much of “biology” is based on social mores and tradition, most of which happen to benefit men (and that’s why it’s mostly men who harp on and on about “how things just are”).”

    Considering the West has pretty much jettisoned most of its “social mores and tradition”, arguably we ARE seeing nature red in tooth and claw. And nature says women knowingly share the alpha male much more willingly then men knowingly share the hot woman.

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  114. @Sniper
    So much of “biology” is based on social mores and tradition, most of which happen to benefit men (and that’s why it’s mostly men who harp on and on about “how things just are”). Just look at Pre-Christian Europe with their matriarchal religions.

    If men were afraid of being slut-shamed, losing their reputation/jobs/respect, and being physically attacked/raped by people stronger than him for his choices, they would take only one woman too.

    Sniper, nothing personal, but a lot of your thought is woolly-thinking and based on demonstrably false premises. I think you make some very serious factual and conceptual errors. I offer this up in a friendly manner.

    1) First, the “matriarchal religions” thing has been thoroughly debunked. A few round-shaped Goddess figurines a religion doesn’t make. It was all hallucination by a few very idealistic female scholars, basically hypothesizing on no evidence: Wishful thinking. Their work was all born out of a weird post-modernist feminist thought process that was extremely cavalier with actual facts.

    If you read criticism and more recent anthropology, there are no serious scholars who take the work of, say, Gimbutas seriously. It’s considered pseudo-science at best, up there with talk of extra-dimensional aliens and about as credible.

    There’s not only no evidence for these theories, but actually almost all of the evidence runs against the idea. It’s just feminist ideology with cherry-picked, isolated and manipulated facts. There’s lots of material on this, but Wikipedia will do:

    Wikipedia:

    “Gimbutas continues to be cited by amateur scholars with backgrounds in feminism, such as Max Dashu, founder and director of the Suppressed History Archives. Very few academically-trained scholars, such as Joan Marler and Marguerite Rigoglioso support Gimbutas’work. (Dashu 2000, Marler 2003 and 2004, Rigoglioso 2002, Starhawk 2001). and her theories have been widely criticised as mistaken on the grounds of dating, archeological context and typologies[2] Most archeologists consider her goddess hypothesis implausible [3] and her work is widely recognised as pseudo-scholarship.[4]”

    2) Much of our cultural social norms are based on a kernel of biology. It’s why, for example, there are lots of polygamous societies in the world, but only ONE attested polygynous society.

    Obviously, polygyny is possible, but it’s awfully rare, which means there’s a biological tendency to run to polygamy.

    Much of our perceived cultural patterns are definitely based on biology, and not the reverse: We take a basic biological trend and exaggerate it when we develop our cultures.

    So Patriarchy almost certainly reflects very basic roots. All you have to do is look at male-female sexual dimorphism: Men are better at killing, fighting and physically dominating, not just men but women, too. And as breeding animals, women have a powerful incentive to choose males who are able to powerfully dominate others: Their genes want to mate with genes that produce powerful sons who will breed far and wide.

    So that, for example, can lead to all kinds of social and cultural constructs. Amazons aside, almost all societies are more or less dominated by males. It’s the human pattern.

    Fighting that requires herculean denial of human nature.

    3) What you say in paragraph 2 makes sense. Except that you again mistake the cause of the taking-only-one-mate. Think about it: The female needs a little bit of sperm, and has to bear the child and invest the most resources in it. A man can impregnate a new female every 15 minutes; a female can produce 1-2 offspring every 9 months.

    A female, therefore, has to have genes that pick out the best genes very selectively. The male, to be successful, just needs as many targets as he can get, and then to make sure to feed the baby for long enough to allow it to survive.

    A male who can’t find a mate has no children.

    what you say would make sense, except that a much better and parsimonious explanation is the biological-evolutionary one. The culture has obviously built up around the natural tendencies.

    Even with the conditions you say: Slut shaming, danger of physical attack – males, on the basis of NOT having the wombs, would still prefer a larger number of partners than the females – if they can get away with it.

    Slut shaming would have no real effect on the “sneaky fucker” strategy than most males use. Most males are beta, and lots of them get to breed, and not always with an ostensible full-time mate.

    Betas often cheat the most – and their betrayals are often the worst.

    I think you’re not thinking in biological terms.

    Humans and almost all human behavior is the behavior of animals.

    Don’t pedestalize us.

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  115. @ Lily

    “c) just loves women. would never be mysogonistic.”

    Lets also add mysogyny to N word status along with marriage.

    Cheers.

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  116. What do you guys think of this rejoinder:

    Her: We’re not going to sleep together tonight.

    Me: DEADPAN… I’m glad you said that….

    Her: Really?

    Me: Yeah, I’m a virgin and want my first time to be special….

    I think it would work if delivered deadpan…

    Has the embedded “neg” with the “special…” comment.

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  117. She sure as fuck’s not whining about some beta. Her actual boyfriend is the frontman/alpha from the band Wavves.

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  118. “What do you guys think of this rejoinder:

    Her: We’re not going to sleep together tonight.”

    Damn straight, you look like a snorer.

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  119. Does her bf sing “I wish my gf could carry a tune?”

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  120. damn I was hoping for the G manifesto’s comments on this one…..

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  121. on July 21, 2010 at 12:14 am Badger Nation

    I have fired preemptive IHAB-seeking missiles before, in the vein of “haha, I bet your boyfriend wouldn’t want you out this late!”

    Mixed results…gives her a chance to disqualify her BF herself, or to assert his value. Registers her buying temperature which informs the rest of my performance.

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  122. on July 21, 2010 at 12:16 am Badger Nation

    “My take: She is wired to string guys along…..and loves the pack of dogs pursuing her…
    Frankly, I fiind it annoying, b/c it’s clear they’re F’ing with me…”

    That’s when I disengage and began chatting up all the other dudes, forming an instant frat. Ignoring her and taking their attention from her at least gets her pissed even if the seduction was a dead end.

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  123. ““What do you guys think of this rejoinder:

    Her: We’re not going to sleep together tonight.”

    Damn straight, you look like a snorer.”

    That’s pretty good. When you can combine a neg and a disqualifier all in one you say more with less.

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  124. MK Ultra

    You are not a bad person but you have not learned a simple lesson. – First impressions are very hard to undo. You started posting here before you knew how to not say stupid things. Since you are probably about 12 years old there is time to recover.
    Old Matriarchal Religions? The force of these stories all depend on the fact that the cultures being considered had NO FUCKING WRITTEN LANGUAGE!!! So anything goes as far as interpreting them. You can make stuff up without restraint. Unless you get sober and start to ask sensible questions.
    Old Germanic/Celtic/Whatever feministic wet dreams of edenic perfection are built on thin air and wishful thinking. I mean, if it was so true then why is it never ever true now? When people are taking notes and running cameras?
    Amazon warriors? Why don’t they do it today in front of witnesses? Have a chick get into a cage fight and show how its done.

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  125. Before discovering and beginning to learn and understand game, I once asked a girl: “Do you have a boyfriend?”

    Her response: “I don’t know…”

    Had I understood game, I would have handled it differently.

    I ended up being sucked into a conversation about how she’d been hurt before and some guy “wanted to be my boyfriend.”

    “I don’t know” is a ridiculous response but for beta males it’s the kind of opiate that gives false hope while absolving her of any guilt of seeing other guys.

    This woman was the catalyst for me finding “game”. It was a good learning.

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  126. on July 21, 2010 at 12:10 am Badger Nation

    MK-Ultra,

    “Okay. Now, come up with a post for the poor saps who are the boyfriends on the receiving end of this f*ckery you have designed for their girlfriends. Bait and trap and be coy and sneaky about it. It’s as if you…don’t…really…care. Oh wait. She must not be that ‘honorable’…right? And, that makes youuuu? Uh huh.

    Proof positive that there are no ‘bros before hos’ club whatsoever. It’s all about banging other men’s wives/girlfriends with absolutely NO respect for the other ‘beta’ males.

    What alternate universe is this?

    Pathetic as per usual.”

    I figured I wouldn’t have much to add to this post, but you’ve changed that. You’ve ignored something that he didn’t explicitly state in the post but is nonetheless true – the line “I have a boyfriend” has long since been devalued by women. Women say it almost subconsciously these days. It’s like “let’s just be friends” (the infamous LJBF), which is an insincere statement dressed up to be a soft letdown.

    Many times a woman has no boyfriend and is simply shit-testing or trying to pump up her own value by creating a “chase me” situation. In some cases, she wants a dude to go away and fires the line dishonestly as a repellant.

    Also, women who DO have boyfriends will nonetheless use it – and go on to allow herself to be gamed by some lothario. Is there a reason a man is required to respect the reluctant, coy disqualification of a woman who doth protest too much and obviously is not planning on staying faithful? Is it the old saw that men have to be responsible for women’s actions as well as their own?

    There’s been a lot of activism over the years that “no means no.” As anyone who’s had sex can attest, sometimes “no” is a negotiating technique and doesn’t mean no. “I have a boyfriend” certainly doesn’t mean no.

    If attached women don’t want to be bothered, stop flirting with other guys, and don’t say you have one when you don’t.

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  127. PA

    Your IHAB examples are all when a girl directly says she has a BF. But sometimes a girl will say it indirectly, and often out of context — like “nice watch; my boyfriend has one like it.”

    Are those are like the IHABs at the onset of conversation: a clear signal of disinterest?

    Watch how I handle it here:

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  128. on July 21, 2010 at 2:17 am Original JB

    “It was all hallucination by a few very idealistic female scholars, basically hypothesizing on no evidence”

    Ahem….Therapeutic Mythological Gynocentrism.

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  129. @Original JB
    “It was all hallucination by a few very idealistic female scholars, basically hypothesizing on no evidence”

    Ahem….Therapeutic Mythological Gynocentrism.

    TMG. I think there’s a course on that at the University of Ugogirl.

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  130. @Walawala,

    “I don’t know?”

    Really?

    Wow, she was really waffling there. Or you caught an unwilling subject in the headlights of What Do I Do Now.

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  131. @Gorby…

    This is not the first time I’ve had this response.

    Again, pre-game days, so I would ask these questions. I would be much more circumspect and cocky/funny now.

    Another time, another Chinese girl who’d displayed IOI’s towards me was chatting, she’d asked me if I’d been married before. I said, yes, and asked her the same question.

    Her reply: “I don’t know”.

    You don’t know whether or not you were were married?

    She said: It was so short I felt like we were so different, it didn’t feel like we were married.

    Chinese girl game.

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  132. @Walawala
    walawala
    Another time, another Chinese girl who’d displayed IOI’s towards me was chatting, she’d asked me if I’d been married before. I said, yes, and asked her the same question.
    Her reply: “I don’t know”.
    You don’t know whether or not you were were married?
    She said: It was so short I felt like we were so different, it didn’t feel like we were married.
    Chinese girl game.

    AAAAAhhhhh

    I forgot, you’re in HK. Chinese girls. I get it now, the answer makes perfect sense. Makes no sense here.

    It’s the Face cover up. Face is that all-encompassing social taboo and requirement that renders all Chinese dealings so complex.

    If she was already married, then she’s damaged goods. So she wasn’t, … really, … married, … then.

    A divorced woman is essentially second-rate.

    What it DOES do is make otherwise hot divorced women amazingly easy to game in China.

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  133. on July 21, 2010 at 3:20 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Ignore the IHAB
    Plow, baby, plow! Caveman game. She’s so cute when she’s disingenuously objecting to you conking her over the head and dragging her into the brush for a rogering.””

    That was some funny shit.
    You make the world a better place dude.

    ””””“I don’t care.”
    One of my favorites. Best used on ultrafem girls who yearn to submit to a very psychologically dominant man. See: Asians, sorostitutes, blogger chicks.
    ””””
    he he he

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  134. on July 21, 2010 at 3:24 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Nestorius”””

    I cannot comepete with that.
    Then the lebanon shit from before.
    wtf
    I was born in wrong place.
    he he he

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  135. Female and male department store

    WOMEN…

    A department store opened in New York City that sold men and a woman decides to visit it in search of a husband.
    At the store’s entrance, there’s a sign outlining the department store policy.
    The first rule states that you can only enter the store once.
    There are six floors and on each floor you can choose a husband or elect to move on to the next floor.
    You cannot visit a floor more than once other than to leave the building.
    The woman visits the first floor.
    The sign reads:
    · Men with jobs.
    She moves on to the second floor:
    · Men with jobs that adore children.
    She moves on the the third floor where the sign reads:
    · Wealthy men that adore children and are very handsome.
    She thinks to herself, “that’s a very good deal” yet moves on to the fourth floor:
    · Wealthy men that adore children, are very handsome and help with the household chores.
    She decides to move on as things are constantly improving:
    · Wealthy men that adore childern, are very handsome, help with the household chores and are very romantic.
    The woman is about to make her purchase but can’t resist moving on to the sixth floor.
    There the sign reads:
    · You are visitor number 31,456,012 on this floor.
    · There are no men here.
    · This floor exists as proof that it is impossible to please women.

    & MEN…

    Opposite this department store, another department store opened that sold women. The sign on the first floor reads:
    · Women that love sex.
    On the second floor the sign reads:
    · Women that love sex and are wealthy.
    On the third floor the sign reads:
    · Women that love sex, are wealthy and have large breasts.

    Not a single man has visited the fourth floor.

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  136. on July 21, 2010 at 5:08 am Steve Johnson

    Matt Berry

    That’s some strong game you’ve got there.

    Fuck you game.

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  137. @Anonymous
    Depends on the country and they probably wouldn’t know enough about it to make a judgement and it’s not like people are sitting around discussing what class someone is lol.

    Captain Bob is also right, the landed gentry have a lot less power than they used to so it doesn’t really matter what they think. He’s also right that ironically social mobility is less now than it was 50 years ago, just need to look at the Cabinet (note save one or two people, most sit in the House of Commons not the House of Lords)
    http://tinyurl.com/3xz33wd

    If a hypothetical situation is a guy who is the son of a pre Ayotallah Persian goverment minister and his mother was from a good background growing up in England, if he attends one of the better public schools + Oxbridge and makes good friends there and then gets a job in the City, he’s pretty well established. Nobody’s going to look to see what family his father was born into (unless he one day gets into scandal and the papers go digging it up and even then nobody really cares) and arguably he’s going to be better off than an English lower middle class guy who have been less likely to go that route.
    Aristo families are not going to consider him ‘one of us’ but in the greater scheme of things, it doesn’t really matter.

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  138. @Matt Berry & @ Mr C

    Thank you for the laughs.

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  139. I have a 1000 boyfriends…….

    Woman sees ‘Sex and the City’, beds 1000 men

    Best Line:

    “Now all I want to do is settle down. I just hope I haven’t put men off.”

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/7931487/woman-slept-with-1000-men-after-watching-sex-and-the-city

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  140. on July 21, 2010 at 6:59 am Aussie Marko

    When a chick says I have IHAB, I always reply with cheeky smirk while putting my hand on her arm…

    “Don’t worry, I won’t tell him”

    Or

    “We’ll keep this our little dirty secret”

    Most of the time they’ll giggle and give me a ‘how dare you look!’

    …love it

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  141. Sniper,
    I’m not disputing how you feel, but for me when I’ve been really in love with someone being with another man was not particularly satisfying. In fact if made me miss the one I loved more. If you don’t feel that strongly about any particular man, though, I guess you could date several at once. Female hypergamy if rather frustrating because you end up spending half your life pining away for some man you’ll never have.

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  142. In my experience, women deploy IHAB more subtly than this. They mention him in the context of relating something else. That makes it difficult to use
    most of these responses.

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  143. I should say female hypergamy makes women pine for men they will never get, especially for the long term.

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  144. I got a man!
    What’s your man got to do with me?
    I got a man!
    I’m not tryin to hear that.

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  145. “IHAB!”

    “Me, too!”

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  146. on July 21, 2010 at 8:23 am Vincent Ignatius

    @Caligula

    That story has more to do with ethnic discrimination than anything. I guarantee that if a poor Jewish man had made the claim that he was a millionaire to get sex, there wouldn’t even have been a case.

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  147. on July 21, 2010 at 10:09 am Badger Nation

    Vincent,

    “That story has more to do with ethnic discrimination than anything. I guarantee that if a poor Jewish man had made the claim that he was a millionaire to get sex, there wouldn’t even have been a case.”

    You are probably correct (this just backs up the anti-Israel movement’s claims that Israel is racist and oppressive) but the point is that rape criminal law is being used to punish cultural infractions and breaches of decorum. This is no different from a sorority girl changing her mind after the fact and then claiming she “wouldn’t have consented” if she could do it over again or hadn’t had that margarita.

    Likewise, rape, DV and divorce laws in this country are only partially about those – they are also about enforcing agendas through whatever means is convenient. Gotta keep the men down and give their money to women.

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  148. on July 21, 2010 at 10:19 am The Iconoclast

    Laura…you said “Female hypergamy (is) rather frustrating because you end up spending half your life pining away for some man you’ll never have”

    What if you miraculously got him? Do you think you’d then be happy & satisfied with him, or would the very fact of having him automatically reduce his value in your eyes so that you’d start hypergamously pining for some OTHER man?

    I’m not trying to be mean or make points in favor of a predefined conclusion; I’d really like to know.

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  149. OT: Game Report

    So last night I have day 2 with hb 9 swimsuit model. I run thug/bad boy game. (yes i fucked her)

    She starts telling me her story and I noted a couple points as it relates to this blog:

    when she was 17 she met a man who was the first guy to take charge and she fell in love with him. He was a bad boy who 2 weeks after they met went to prison. She remained faithful for 3 years until he got out. And when he did, he blew her off and started plowing one of her friends. She was devestated and for the next 2 years tried to win him back with unlimited sexual access.

    Her las bf was in her words: a pretty boy pushover, pansy, couldn’t fix anything around the house, had girl hands, was a poser, weak, etc. she milked him for 80K cash and dumped him. He turned stalker.

    Her best GF (who I’ve met) is a fucking knockout 10 blonde, 24, estrogen saturated, big ole titties, ripped stomach. She obsessively holds her phone and checks it for txts ever 15 minutes. She even wakes up in the middle of the night to check her phone. If she leaves the house without her phone she panics and races back to get it. Why? Because she is hoping this “one guy” (a rock band member) has sent her a text. I asked “well, when was the last time he contacted her? answer: “it’s been over 3 months now.” “she knows he is on the road fucking hundreds of other women, but she just knows that he will pick her.”

    Another step up the ladder. Learn the lessons, boys.

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  150. Guys, sometimes IHAB/Husband means just that. I drop my husband and kids into conversations early in order to dissuade further attempts at pick-ups. Nonetheless, some men aren’t dissuaded. For example, a few years ago I was abroad co-chaperoning a class trip that my son was on. One day, I broke off from from the group and did a little sight-seeing and shopping on my own. I got confused at an intersection, pulled out a map and began to study it. I was approached by “helpful stranger” who wanted to escort me to my destination. I told him I’d be fine, but he kept tagging along, offering coffee, dinner, etc. I kept bringing up the family, etc. His response to IHAH was IHAW. When I asked how she’d respond to knowing that he tries to pick up foreign women he just laughed. It took about half an hour to ditch him, but he had the nerve to pissed when I finally did.

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  151. @Theta

    “In my experience, women deploy IHAB more subtly than this. They mention him in the context of relating something else. That makes it difficult to use most of these responses.”

    When women do that, you should just move on. They are politely telling you that you have no chance with them. Some are even trying to head you off at the pass BEFORE they have to reject you.

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  152. Badger Nation is proof that kikevermin have infiltrated the men rights movement. That is why I will never belong to a group.

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  153. @ Lily

    “Even if they are (which they’re not), there’s still HPV which condoms don’t protect against and can lead to cervical cancer for the wife (but I won’t talk more about that as we got told off for it by the Dark Lord recently because it was frankly a bit boring).”

    I was wondering what happened to that thread. A perfectly legitimate topic IMHO.

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  154. andrew list the ideological “movements” in the US that have been successful in acheiving their ends in say the last 100 or so years that didn’t do so on the verbal skills of us kikevermin–feminism, communism, postmodernism, NEO conservatism, frankfurt school “psychology” ism

    the white power/separatist movement is doing great without us lol a real powerhouse

    the more juden get on the men’s right bandwagon the faster you’ll see your aims broadcast and acheived

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  155. @ Laura, PA

    Re: Girls and true status

    I think the reason why girls don’t consider the fun, charismatic, good looking but immature underachiever for LTR material is that girls choose boyfriends for two very different reasons: 1) the gina tingles he produces, and 2) what that boyfriend will say about her desirability and status in her social circle. Except for some very public men, men usually are not concerned with what other people think about their wife and her social status.

    In a pickup environment, girls are probably more interested in the first criteria than the second, but the 2nd criteria is always there. As a rule, I’ve always kept in mind the following question when gaming a chick: what things about me are interesting enough that she can tell/brag to her girlfriends? The correct response to this is NOT a resume dump. And career and income comments are probably the least creative things you can do here, but you do need to tell her things about you that are unique, interesting and masculine.

    Back to my next door neighbors: they are fun guys, but they haven’t accomplished anything in their lives, and they don’t have any ambition to accomplish anything. Its not that they need to be CEOs and making six figures, but they need to do something interesting. Learn to play an instrument, get into martial arts, develop more than a passing interest in a subject. In some way, they need to learn to demonstrate excellence in something. My guess is that the girls party with them while they are inbetween relationships. Maybe they want that, I dont’ know.

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  156. @ Sidewinder

    “Back to my next door neighbors: they are fun guys, but they haven’t accomplished anything in their lives, and they don’t have any ambition to accomplish anything. Its not that they need to be CEOs and making six figures, but they need to do something interesting. Learn to play an instrument, get into martial arts, develop more than a passing interest in a subject. In some way, they need to learn to demonstrate excellence in something.”

    The girls don’t stick around for the long term because these guys are the sizzle, not the steak. Fun’s fun, but male accomplishment says that ultimately, even if a guy isn’t a provider now, he has the wherewithal/willingness to provide.

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  157. J,

    IHAB is very different from IHAH (and also different from IHAF but not as much). Someone who plows ahead when you have said you are married needs to be told to go away directly.

    I agree that casually dropping a mention of your BF into the conversation is usually a strong hint of your lack of interest, and very different from the direct “I have a boyfriend” which is a shit test that is really saying “I want you to make that not matter”.

    If you have a boyfriend, not a fiance or a husband, and you drop a mention of your boyfriend into the conversation and the hint is not taken, it means one of three things:

    1) The guy is a clueless idiot who didn’t notice what you said — eject
    2) The guy is misinterpreting you and thinks you don’t really have a boyfriend and are just shit-testing him — eject
    3) The guy seriously likes you and thinks he is good enough to outdo your boyfriend — either take a more serious look at him, he might be right, or tell him clearly you are not interested in any other men.

    Of course you still have the problem of distinguishing the third possibility from the other two.

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  158. I use “I have a boyfriend” with guys I’m not interested in as a kind way to dismiss.

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  159. All good advice.

    But since the prevalence of these blogs how about the girl that retorts back:

    “Yeah, nice neg!”

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  160. @polymath

    “Someone who plows ahead when you have said you are married needs to be told to go away directly.”

    LOL. Short of screaming rape, I really did try to be direct once I saw a polite brush off wasn’t doing the trick. There was a lot manipulation around the langauge barrier on his part, with my miming “married” by pointing at my ring, etc. It would have made a funny scene in a movie.

    I really don’t why women feel it’s necessary to be polite first. I suspect he would have understood “Fuck off!” and had probably heard it before.

    “I agree that casually dropping a mention of your BF into the conversation is usually a strong hint of your lack of interest, and very different from the direct “I have a boyfriend” which is a shit test that is really saying “I want you to make that not matter”.”

    I suppose. I’m personally not familar with that move. I’ve brushed off men with I have a boyfriend when it felt nicer than “I find you repulsive.” However, most of the time that I’ve said IHAB/F/H/Kids, I really have had a boyfriend, fiance or husband/kids.

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  161. how about the girl that retorts back: “Yeah, nice neg!”

    I’d feign momentary confusion and maybe say “what?” and go on like nothing happened.

    Or ask “what’s a neg?”, making her to say something like “it’s a pickup thing guys do,” at which point you have an opening to disqualify: “You really thought I was hitting on you?” or any other IHAB lines.

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  162. But since the prevalence of these blogs how about the girl that retorts back:

    “Yeah, nice neg!”
    ——————————————

    “Yeah, nice neg” is for newbies, I just give two karate chops to the neck. hiiiiiyah! *chop* *chop* It’s usually really hard for a guy to reframe after that.

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  163. any thoughts on how this would work?

    her: we are NOT sleeping together tonight.
    me: that’s for the best. there’s no point in sleeping with someone unless she is much hotter than my girlfriend/current fuck-buddy

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  164. “Yeah, nice neg!”

    “No, I was actually criticizing you.”

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  165. jr: I’m guessing your response woul piss off the girl and ruin the pickup.

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  166. j r–

    any thoughts on how this would work?

    Not well at all. It’s a good example of the kind of insult that’s not a neg.

    Negs should be playful not nuclear. They’re generally about things the girl could get the guy to change his mind about, or stuff that isn’t central to her identity, such as something she’s wearing.

    Saying something like “that’s a relief” in an ironic way in response to her would be a good neg response. So would “you don’t say”. They both put her into the mode of chasing you, or will tend to.

    Whereas she knows you’re not likely to change your view of her looks because she tries harder w/you or sleeps with you. Instead she’ll just be a lower choice, when available, supplement. Not what a girl wants to feel.

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  167. anoukange

    I use “I have a boyfriend” with guys I’m not interested in as a kind way to dismiss.

    Yuuupers, tons of girls use it for that. But many not only for that.

    If she says it early on, or soon after he’s made a concerted pickup effort with a story or two, etc., it’s likely to mean that. At least if she hasn’t given a good lot of indications of interest.

    If it’s said especially in the straight up direct way (as opposed to the “my boyfriend likes that too” kind of way) after she has shown a good bit of IOI, it’s still intended as a roadblock. She’s saying “yeah I like you but I’m not easy. You haven’t won me over yet. Let’s see how handle this one.” I.e. then it’s more likely to be a shit test. Partly she’s gauging how hand / engagingly he’ll work to get her.

    Note she really might have a boyfriend but still be seducible.

    The reasons why can range from her being on the slutty side of the spectrum, to the boyfriend being more of a placeholder and friend she sometimes sleep with, rather than her foreveva guy. All kinds of places in between.

    Some or many hot girls like to always have boyfriends but that doesn’t mean they’re always deeply in love with them. Instead often they’re winnable.

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  168. on July 21, 2010 at 1:49 pm Philosopher

    Gorbachev,

    Interesting, but not unexpected, news about China’s economic data.

    I am highly suspect of most things from south and east Asia. Resume/CV fraud is endemic.
    The latest – Dr Anil Potti, a Duke cancer researcher falsely claims to be Rhodes & National Merit Scholars, committed serious errors in research, may have falsified his residency in Australia, and more. A lot of dates do not add up. He’s been at Duke since 2003. It seems bizarre no one checked such a simple thing as the Rhodes Scholar list before he was hired or in the past seven years.

    The China boom reminds me of the internet/telecom investment boom a decade ago. It was predicated on false reports showing Internet traffic doubles every 53 or 60 or 100 days. IRRC, traffic on one small network doubled in 60 days, a one-time event. Result – We invested $100 billion or so in infrastucture.

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  169. “IHAB.”

    “Now you have a man friend.”

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  170. dana

    the more juden get on the men’s right bandwagon the faster you’ll see your aims broadcast and acheived

    No doubt true.

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  171. on July 21, 2010 at 2:11 pm Happily Married 4 life

    How does a married woman make it clear she’s not interested without being a total bitch? My husband and I rarely wear our wedding rings but when I’m out alone I always wear it but it doesn’t deter men (maybe because some women wear fake wedding rings?).

    My husband told me I should just be a bitch but I feel really uncomfortable being that way and prefer to be polite even though my politeness might be mistaken for an ‘opener’.

    Should women just be really rude and cold to get the point across?

    Not to mention, I feel especially vulnerable when I’m alone without a friend or someone to back me up, so I don’t exactly want to piss off some big guy.

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  172. HM4L–

    Should women just be really rude and cold to get the point across?

    Not to mention, I feel especially vulnerable when I’m alone without a friend or someone to back me up, so I don’t exactly want to piss off some big guy.

    You should gauge it to the guy. Some men you should become abrupt and cold to, which could be called rude, yes. Some guys deserve rude.

    Feeling vulnerable will tend to be sensed buy guys, and will lead some of them to think you’re sufficiently submissive to be won over by their forceful approach. This will mostly or entirely be their subconscious thinking. Nip this in the bud w/steely coldness. Be an actress if necc.

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  173. @ Gunslingergregi

    You were definitly born in the wrong place. However, since the end of the war here in 1990, the fiat butthex matrix has put its hand on half of the country. Where I live in Beirut, the fiat butthex matrix is strong, but fortunatly I have a small escape back to free manliness.

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  174. on July 21, 2010 at 4:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Nestorius
    @ Gunslingergregi

    You were definitly born in the wrong place. However, since the end of the war here in 1990, the fiat butthex matrix has put its hand on half of the country. Where I live in Beirut, the fiat butthex matrix is strong, but fortunatly I have a small escape back to free manliness.
    ”””””””
    Yea kind of interesting where I am at now. I have only seen toy machetes, swords, before in us. But a killing machette or knife has a diferent feel. Not a toy but a force of nature in the hands.

    Yea kind of what pisses me off. When the arabs have no smoking areas you know it is just a matter of time till they are forced to have the divorce laws as well.
    The diference may be though that if that is done the guys who are pissed off about it might kill the right people and then no divorce laws maybe. Although if there is nowhere to run to that is diferent from what your running from then people will be cornered animals and the choice will be made for them to stay and fight.

    What helps my game though is I get the same effect walking into a place not carrying a gun because I am not afraid of anything. People come to my house with guns and I don’t have one and they fear me because they see my lack of fear and it blows there minds.

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  175. on July 21, 2010 at 4:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    and god dang but is there a person from every concievable walk of life on here or what dam

    fucking amazing shit.

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  176. on July 21, 2010 at 5:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thinking back but when I actually ran with guns in ghetto and was looking for an excuse to use them I really didn’t give a shit about getting woman that was not in my prime directive at the time. What was in it was to find a reason to kill and die. Woman held about 0 appeal. Woman can’t compete with the thrill of being free, friendship, and not giving a fuck about anything. All woman can do is latch on and try to civilize you and turn you into a pussy. What helps me keep my manhood is suicide game so woman know that no matter how good they treat me or how special the pussy is or how much I love them I still don’t give a fuck about dieing or finding an excuse to go out hard. This keeps me having hand no matter how beta I act or how much I cuddle with them or how good I treat them. I still remain a man who could give all that shit up in a heartbeat for the right reason.

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  177. “He can watch.”

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  178. @Happily Married 4 life

    “…rings but when I’m out alone I always wear it but it doesn’t deter men”

    No, it does deter them IME either.

    “Not to mention, I feel especially vulnerable when I’m alone without a friend or someone to back me up, so I don’t exactly want to piss off some big guy.”

    Yeah, you do have to exercise some caution because you don’t know if the guy will be angered by rejection. I love the ones who call you a whore for NOT sleeping with them.

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  179. Gunslingergregi,

    You can see clearly what I mean, brother.
    Woman held about 0 appeal because you didn’t need game. Game was over.

    And “suicide game”. Isn’t suicide game the same game practiced by sea surfers, by motorcyclists, by formula car drivers, by soldiers, by gangsters, well you name it.

    You get it brother, you really get it.

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  180. Another variation on the gun game: carry an unloaded gun.

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  181. on July 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Nestorius
    Gunslingergregi,

    You can see clearly what I mean, brother.
    Woman held about 0 appeal because you didn’t need game. Game was over.

    And “suicide game”. Isn’t suicide game the same game practiced by sea surfers, by motorcyclists, by formula car drivers, by soldiers, by gangsters, well you name it.

    You get it brother, you really get it.
    ””””””’

    You get it bro.

    But yea on suicide game. Not quite the same. The guys who are doing the dangerous shit might not know why they do it. I do.
    Also I actully verbalize my intent and let the woman know about how I feel. Then I also follow through on situations needing a not give a fuck frame.
    Therefore they know I ain’t just talking shit.
    But yea it makes them have to step up their game because they want to be the one to change your mind and betaize you into a guy who fears leaving this world because he has so much to lose.
    So they go to heights unimaginable to a normal person to get you there.
    The only problem is that I never change. he he he

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  182. Re Style, just googled him to remind myself on his looks and didn’t realise how short he was, or is it because he’s standing next to Chewbacca

    Except for that pic, I’d say he’s like a 5 (post make over) but dresses nicely/takes pride in his appearance (well except in that pic).

    I think usually girls do date guys who are not as good looking as them, there just seem to be a lot more female 7s and 8s around than male ones. Saw a male 10 at the cinema tonight, he literally walked into the lobby and all the women turned around to look at him and sighed inside. Lovely voice too. Sadly, only about 23 and way out of my league at whatever age I was. We do like looks, it’s just quite rare to encounter it in real life. Does brighten up your day though.

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  183. on July 21, 2010 at 7:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    And people respect that shit.

    With no feeling that they could get away with disrespecting that.

    So it is a positive feedback loop to actually not getting fucked so bad by life.

    Actually some wierd shit.

    I should be dead by now according to how people are told to live their lives in fear of everything even the little shit but I am not.

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  184. on July 21, 2010 at 8:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now of course woman do add some comfort to life and take away some mundane aspects.

    I don’t have to do anything in my house. Not one fucking thing.

    If I don’t feel like walking to the bathroom to take a piss I don’t have to.

    he he he

    But yea normally I do because that is pretty sick lol

    So a girlfriend can come in handy to give you every second of the day to do what you feel like doing.
    While all they require from you is some fucking.

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  185. on July 21, 2010 at 8:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then if you want them to be able to spend every waking and sleeping moment thinking about how they can improve your life. You just have to find a way to provide loot without you working or her having to put in much effort so almost her sole effort in life is your happiness.

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  186. Gorby,

    1. But the great Marion Zimmer Bradley has not been disproved! In all seriousness, I am wary of any “scientific disproving” of ancient matriarchal civilizations since so much of just Pagan history has been erased, hidden and rewritten to benefit Christianity (ie, male-dominated cultures) because people are simply afraid (including and especially this board).

    2. I can tell that the audience here is a little … older. I bet few people here have heard of polyamory and would be shocked to learn of relationships where multiple men share the same (not particularly attractive) woman, and are exclusive to her.

    There don’t need to be entire organized cultures/countries based around polygyny/polygamy in order for 3+ person relationships to exist. I still hold that we would see (and will see more of in the future) more of these women with several exclusive male lovers, because they simply don’t have to hide it as much (similar to how people think homosexuality is a 21th century thing because it’s never been exposed before).

    I do believe many of our social norms are based on a kernel of biology, but what’s dangerous about the evo-psych wanking on this blog is that people love to pick and choose which kernels they want to apply to things they already believe and want to believe. As you will see me do right now…

    3. I think you’re thinking too much of the worth of semen. Male partners can offer much more than their seed because it is so cheap. Ideally, a woman should find a provider(s) who is more than happy to have her company as a friend and partner. They offer financial, intellectual, and emotional support, while she seeks out the seed of strong, confident, and outgoing men that all the other women share the pool with (after getting him tested, of course). Of course a woman’s time is more valuable because of 9-month leases on the womb, which is why she needs men to stick around and support her (ie, it won’t be the alphas).

    Wait, isn’t this what men are supposed to want? A supporting, presentable companion for a wife, and a bunch of young fertile women to impregnate? Oh my, how the genders may not be so different after all.

    As many of the PUAs complain about on this blog, we are already seeing a subliminal version of this with the women who settle for beta providers while seeking the seed of strong/good looking alphas that they just know aren’t relationship material but have good genetics.

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  187. Iconoclast,
    I’m not really sure how to answer you, since I was more referring to a general longing rather than actual pursuit of one person. I never ended up getting one of these guys so I can’t really say how it would have turned out.

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  188. Sniper–

    As many of the PUAs complain about on this blog, we are already seeing a subliminal version of this with the women who settle for beta providers while seeking the seed of strong/good looking alphas that they just know aren’t relationship material but have good genetics

    You’re really quite dumb, aren’t you?

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  189. @Laura
    I should say female hypergamy makes women pine for men they will never get, especially for the long term.

    I just wrote a post on my own blog on this titled “Hypergamous Addiction to Choosing” that you might find interesting.

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  190. @Sniper

    Again with the woolliness. But I thank you partially for keeping it contained.

    Part 1:

    Gorby,

    1. But the great Marion Zimmer Bradley has not been disproved! In all seriousness, I am wary of any “scientific disproving” of ancient matriarchal civilizations since so much of just Pagan history has been erased, hidden and rewritten to benefit Christianity (ie, male-dominated cultures) because people are simply afraid (including and especially this board).

    Sniper, it’s not that there’s any “dis”-proving to be done – all the evidence, and I do mean all of it, points to male-dominated societies. Some societies had more participation in politics than others (6 nations, here in the US, the Celts generally), some less (ancient Greece or Babylon), but there’s no evidence of any hidden history.

    There’s no evidence for “hidden” histories of matriarchy at all. Nothing. What researchers do when they’re employing wishful thinking is use “matrilinear” for “matriarchal”. There are some societies that follow the line of inheritance through the female – but these are, almost always, also male-dominated and politically male societies. The people with power are the males on the female side of the family, not the male children of the leaders.

    Christianity hasn’t been able to erase history so effectively. The whole idea that Christianity “Buried” a previous world view is correct: it was deliberate. And the “pagan” world, being largely Celtic in the West, was more pro-female than the Church liked. But feminists went on a bender in the 1960’s and imagined (not discovered) a pre-Christian world that was matriarchal and womyn-centered. More pro-woman doesn’t mean matriarchal.

    There was never any evidence to support these ideas. They became popular through pseudo-scholarship and because they were ideologically convenient. There were whole books and categories of literature written up to conform to what people imagined must have been. But it was all based on absolutely nothing. This is hard to believe, for a woman raised to read this kind of thing, but it’s true. It’s not scholarship in any meaningful sense: It’s literature, at best. And not very good literature.

    Feminists cite these references all the time, but they’re all absolutely baseless.

    Look at case studies of other cultures, and area studies: I challenge you to find a matriarchy anywhere in history or archaeology that’s attested in any detail.

    And I’m not talking about a society where women of a certain class had more power than women in other societies (Scythian queens/Celtic nobility/etc.) – I mean, full-out matriarchy, where women held the balance of power.

    Just one. Find *one*. You can’t. In all cases, any society that even temporarily became female-centered (loss of males through war, etc.), quickly became male-centered again once the population rebalanced: the men just take charge. Males are physically stronger, at least as intelligence, more forceful, more demanding, and have a keen interest in having power, to make sure they breed and have their own children.

    The larger point is, the women usually didn’t mind: this was how we’re programed. Women are attracted to powerful men. They actually need men to be powerful. Men are not attracted, especially, to powerful women. They’re attracted to sexually available, fertile women.

    It’s a biological program that runs itself out in our culture. The biological kernel may be basic, but it’s like an elegant math proof: all else is based on this. The tendency is reinforced by practicality: Women need to breed and be prone for 3-9 months, and are valuable for the future of the group, and as such are like genetic possessions.

    Males are just extra. You don’t need that many for a group. Every female, on the other hand, is valuable.

    So females, being so valuable, are coveted and guarded by males – and biology doesn’t care if it’s as property or partners. Biology cares about exactly one thing:

    Propagation.

    So call it unfair. Feminists hate this unfairness, but biology is unfair to males, too. We need some woman to breed. She has that power. We’re just extra. And a woman knows the child is hers. A man doesn’t.

    Feminists in the 1960’s railed against this bias in history. Unfortunately, there was just never any evidence, even bad evidence for the Matriarchy proposition. Not in the South Pacific, not in the ancient Mediterranean, not in Minoan society, not on Malta, not in the Middle East – nowhere.

    Even the stories of witch-burnings (a la “The Burning Times”) was largely made-up. There just weren’t that many trials. One estimate was 9 million women killed over 300 years; this is absurd. It’s more like 80,000, and 30% of those were males killed for heresy. And that’s not even getting to the Inquisition, in which most of the victims were male (because, again, the females were too valuable: usable).

    Being skeptical of science in this regard is like South Africans being skeptical that AIDS even exists, and prescribing poultices for infections. Or creationists denying the obvious fact of evolution, in a “I don’t want to believe that, Nyah Nyah Nyah” with a hands-over-the-eyes move.

    Show me any solid evidence that hasn’t been thoroughly refuted for matriarchal civilizations in Europe. Any.

    Believing in these modern made-up myths is cheating yourself.

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  191. @Sniper,

    2 – More for you

    2. I can tell that the audience here is a little … older. I bet few people here have heard of polyamory and would be shocked to learn of relationships where multiple men share the same (not particularly attractive) woman, and are exclusive to her.

    This is relatively common – I know swingers who do this. They’re aberrant and usually past child-rearing ages.

    There don’t need to be entire organized cultures/countries based around polygyny/polygamy in order for 3+ person relationships to exist.

    Of course. All kinds of things exist; there are people turned on by shoes. But this doesn’t make a solid conclusion about society or anything.

    I still hold that we would see (and will see more of in the future) more of these women with several exclusive male lovers, because they simply don’t have to hide it as much (similar to how people think homosexuality is a 21th century thing because it’s never been exposed before).

    Um, …

    Casual swinging and polyamory will always attract a certain segment of the population, but the actual stats on how many people are poly are still pretty low. I’m fairly sure pair-bonding isn’t going away, and not that much polyamory is going to take its place.

    Why?

    Jealousy. It’s instinctive and deeply programed into us. It’s there for good reason, too. And it’s powerful and primal.

    I know that it can turn a guy on to think of his woman with another man (common); and cuckoldry can turn even the most Alpha man on sometimes. We produce more sperm when we’ve been away from our mates, so there’s a mechanism going on there. It’s one of the reason men get hot for their wives when they meet after a separation, even if they’ve been sleeping around. The mere thought of their wife potentially being with another guy can drive them nuts.

    How they react depends, of course: Some guys get turned on, some get anxious (some both), some get violent.

    I’ve known poly people. They openly sleep around in committed relationships; usually, the relationships are less stable than non-poly relationships. These people are extreme outliers in all communities (gay, straight, whatever).

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  192. @Sniper,

    3, just for you.


    I do believe many of our social norms are based on a kernel of biology, but what’s dangerous about the evo-psych wanking on this blog is that people love to pick and choose which kernels they want to apply to things they already believe and want to believe. As you will see me do right now…

    Of course. There are lots that work against men that we don’t discuss, because as males they interest us less.

    Males and Violence

    For example, males are obviously more violent, and no matter how violent women get, we will always be more violent as a group: as children, it makes sense to restrain and control young males more forcefully or cleverly than needs to happen with girls. We don’t need to do this with women as much. These days, more girls are violent, but they don’t even approach the mass violence that almost all males experience, or the violent instincts we barely repress.

    Girls can be vicious and cruel psychologically, but young males are insanely violent with each other. Mothers worry and sisters are shocked (less), but fathers never are.

    My father heard about fights at school and said: defend yourself. My mother was aghast. She wanted to call the school and get the males responsible ejected.

    When there were groups of bullies, the other kids would avoid them or gang up on them. The violence was often quite dangerous. It’s also absolutely universal: Chinese males are outrageously violent with each other in schools. Chinese school kids (males) regularly semi-torture other male kids. It’s well-known, just talk to some Chinese men who grew up in China. Same in Korea. Absolutely the same in Europe. I’ve also known Africans who said the same thing.

    Tell me this isn’t absolutely hard-core biology.

    Girls don’t know the sheer level of violence among males, the violent thoughts we get, the barely contained physical power right under the skin. It’s most obvious with boys.

    Mothers are often shocked by it. Feminist mothers usually try to restrain their male children. What do they get? Weak, simpering males who don’t know how to interact with other males and become betas without any access to breeding females because, shock of shocks, females like the traits that go along with violence.

    Women are attracted to these traits – not necessarily violence. But that said, violence itself isn’t necessarily bad as a sexual attractant. Best gift for your woman? The beating hearts of your enemies. Get’s em wet. It really does. This has been documented and men know it. Go-getters who stomp all over people to get what they want have scores of women begging for their time. Women love men who have altruism for the woman but utter domination with other men and women.

    Historically, many powerful women didn’t mind a man using cheap, weak women as sexual tools/slaves, because they adopted the powerful male’s point of view: The lesser women were barely human. Sex with them just doesn’t count. Sex with another noblewoman, though, that’s a different story.

    It’s one reason why soldiers are so attractive: The violence that flows through them makes them strong, and strength attracts females. And the violence doesn’t scare all women away; in fact, it sometimes makes the attraction greater.

    Testosterone made me a jumpy, crazy kid. My sisters were calm and reflective. My brother and I were all over the place. Compared to them, we had ADHD. Thankfully, my parents put it down to us being males, and not requiring drugs. We learned to control and channel it constructively, but my mother treated me like a boy and not like a gender-neutral Offspring.

    Soldiers

    My brother is an inherently violent man. You’d never guess it if you met him. He seems absolutely typical, and he is. But he channels his violence.

    He spent much of his life in a Bradley armored unit. he also drives a tank. He’s blown up things in Iraq (both wars). He takes great pride in his skills: he can fix a tank, blow things up, mow down enemy soldiers and storm a building if required. He knows multiple ways to kill people, and has done it on many occasions.

    His wife, far from being turned off by the fact that my brother is a soldier who kills people for a living, finds it most satisfying and admires him for his courage and devotion.

    More biology and culture: Schools

    I believe in segregated schools. I think schools for males should be tougher, with much stricter controls. Schools for women would be academically more advanced for a while, at certain ages. But the males need to get out of the female-centric school systems, because they’re crushing the males. The very essence of what makes them not female is killing them, and they’re just not designed or built to be little girls.

    We never talk about that, but it’s key. Making 12-year-old boys sit still for 3 hours? Talk about their feelings? Socialize nicely? Be calm in groups? Not throw things, stand up, sit down, focus properly and not be all over the place?

    I have nephews. They’re Boys. I also have nieces. They’re Girls. One is not the other, by any measure, and any actual parent knows this. The differences between them are so unspeakably vast that after the age of about 9, and even before, they’re almost different animals.

    Feminism has tried to bury this, but we have to face it when we see males being stomped out of the Feminized school system: the systems feminism has devised vastly shortchange Males, because above all else, males are products of their biology.

    We can’t make them into little girls. And if we do, we can kiss having grandchildren goodbye, because the women won’t want them.

    Urban boys: Some clueless feminist woman is going to put discipline into a roomful of pubescent males?

    WTF?

    Most of the time young boys just want to hit things and run around in circles like crazy dogs and make alliances to bring down the top dog and throw things.

    Girls are like alien monsters at that age.

    Obviously, there’s a strong case for the advantages to both sexes for segregation in schools.

    There’s a kernel of biology playing out hard in our social order for you.

    There are hundreds more that feminism forces us to deny.

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  193. 4: And Sniper, one more for you.

    @3. I think you’re thinking too much of the worth of semen. Male partners can offer much more than their seed because it is so cheap. Ideally, a woman should find a provider(s) who is more than happy to have her company as a friend and partner. They offer financial, intellectual, and emotional support, while she seeks out the seed of strong, confident, and outgoing men that all the other women share the pool with (after getting him tested, of course). Of course a woman’s time is more valuable because of 9-month leases on the womb, which is why she needs men to stick around and support her (ie, it won’t be the alphas).

    I’ll be shocked if you find men who are willing to be the woman’s companion when she goes out and gets pregnant by Real Men. Such a man will be happy to raise other mens’ children? And be the supportive husband?

    What fantasy land do you live in? Sure, there are some sad men who might put up with this for the occasional sex a woman will give them, but those have to be very sad representatives of the male species.

    Do women want these men? Even as partners? They might want their money, but anything else?

    Please.

    Wait, isn’t this what men are supposed to want? A supporting, presentable companion for a wife, and a bunch of young fertile women to impregnate? Oh my, how the genders may not be so different after all.

    Yeah, but you miss the main point: Men want this. But I’m amazed how you could have missed this.

    The men that get to do the impregnating in such a scenario get all the pussy. The guy who gets the presentable wife gets, … no children.

    Sure, men want this. But all men want both. And few men want occasional pussy being serviced by other guys.

    Sorry. Just won’t happen. We don’t come programed that way.

    If you think we do – you’d better hunt hard for the .1% of men who would tolerate this, because you’re living in la la cuckoo land. Your fantasy has no bearing on reality.


    As many of the PUAs complain about on this blog, we are already seeing a subliminal version of this with the women who settle for beta providers while seeking the seed of strong/good looking alphas that they just know aren’t relationship material but have good genetics.

    Yes, … and the men will be dumping their slutty asses when they find out the kids aren’t theirs.

    This trend you’re seeing isn’t there. It’s a female fantasy, not a male one. The females want this, and are trying to engineer it: Men being forced to acknowledge children not their own, women resisting mandatory paternity tests, terrible divorce laws, usual female custody of children, etc.

    But the male backlash is just starting and when it hits, the shit is seriously going to hit the fan.

    Already, the Feminist-trained manginas and academic feminists are facing a reactionary backlash. Their Female Fantasyland, where only the FEMALE reproductive strategy is socially respected, is about to end.

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  194. on July 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Males should get a college curriculum. They should also learn everything of practical value.
    When you walk into the average college degree job a man can figure it out fairly easily who has had experience in a trade.

    ””””’gorb
    We never talk about that, but it’s key. Making 12-year-old boys sit still for 3 hours? Talk about their feelings? Socialize nicely? Be calm in groups? Not throw things, stand up, sit down, focus properly and not be all over the place?””’

    lol by 12 my son gonna know how to fix cd players/small motors/tv’s. He will also have learned how to build his first robot.

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  195. on July 21, 2010 at 10:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    By 18 he will know how to build his own house from the ground up.
    He will also know how to program his own video game.

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  196. on July 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    us education is all the mind the mind the mind.

    neglecting the body and soul and actually physically usefull things that directly apply in a real world context.

    Why of course a logical man will reject education only for the mind as it has no practical application for him in real life as far as he can see.

    School seems to be wasting a hell of a lot of time in 12 years creating someone who can’t get a decent job.

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  197. on July 21, 2010 at 10:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    whereas trade school creates a student who can now start at 15 bucks an hour.

    college curriculum high school is now fit to flip burgers.

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  198. on July 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    college educated with biology degrees now fit to work in lab making 8 bucks an hour.

    because they didn’t get doctors degree lol

    And oh shit there education cost around 20k a year.
    he he he

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  199. on July 21, 2010 at 11:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Except chemistry that can apply. But they don’t teach you how to really make it apply.

    They don’t give you a shitload of chemicals and let you invent a new product and don’t care about your burn rate.

    They don’t give you a welding torch and then some scrap metal and let you build something.

    they don’t give you a pile of wood and some nails and tools and let you create something.

    freedom is not encouraged at school just follow rules regurgitate what you were given out onto the paper

    pathetic.

    but yea gonna give the kid all that shit. Plus there are people within a block of me that build furniture, weld up some crazy shit for projects, repair small appliances tv’s cd players. There is a ton of shit going on in peoples houses where I live in their small business’s. These dudes are smart. I am gonna have my son be apprenticed with all of em. Got people making everything by hand. From reapolstering cars to freaking everything. No end to the human ingenuity when people don’t have welfare.

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  200. @ Lily

    “a lot more female 7s and 8s around than male ones.”

    That explain the Beckham hoopla. Get out of the UK luv. Plenty of fit geezers await you across the pond, besides the majority of females here are fatties. No competition for a fine lass like yuself.

    Cheers.

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  201. Like Gunslingergregi said

    “freedom is not encouraged at school just follow rules regurgitate what you were given out onto the paper”

    So many college degrees people have earned
    (bachelors, masters, Ph.D) are hollow facades of knowledge, because there was so little ‘think for yourself’ involved in the acquisition process. Many of these degrees awarded might be more accurately named in terms of memorization and successful hoop-jumping.

    We are taught to be complacently lacking curiosity to discover for ourselves how things work, why they work that way, how to improve them, etc.

    Independent study has taught me things which the certified experts in that area don’t know or understand, and when I politely ask them if they know about XYZ, they just look annoyed and impatient and shruggingly dismiss the subject. Pathetic charades of competence.

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  202. Classic French film from 1961 featuring a woman giving a gamer one big mind fuck (or visa versa): she doesn’t remember ever meeting him before:

    Last Year at Marienbad

    http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2004163_2004187,00.html?iid=moreontime

    On this thread’s topic, I ask the boyfriend question if a ONS isn’t likely. That way I define why I want her number (and why she wants to give it to me) and thus minimize flaking.

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  203. Here’s a left winger advertising agency CEO publishing an article “In Defense of Al Gore” and attacking some guy named Jerry in the comments for not being a good businessman with “street cred” because he mentioned the concept of White Knighters and Manginas:

    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=131584

    The modern male advertising executive refuses to recognize that women like their Mad Men counterparts better.

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  204. Here is something I missed – Christopher Hitchens saying that Eliot Spitzer got caught because the main reason men want power is to increase their access to pussy because of it:

    http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-03-18/news/hitchens-on-spitzer-s-lust/

    That still doesn’t explain why Spitzer had to pay $2500 for it, days after signing a law that criminalized being a john (if Hitchens doesn’t die from his newly diagnosed esophageal cancer, I hope he grasps the point of what being a White Knighter is all about).

    But Hitchens does note that Bill Clinton hit on Paula Jones the day it became clear he would be the Democrat candidate for President. I didn’t know that.

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  205. Regarding reading the DrudgeReport online before a date, if you are dating a worthwhile woman and not a left wing American feminist with the brain of a petulant child, then being able to entertain her with the latest news will be interesting to her and will be a DHV in and of itself.

    In any case, readers of this blog will be interested in this latest news:

    1) The Health Care Bill will apparently create an electronic health record for each American where every test result and procedure has to be recorded. The Obama Administration just said that HIV test results and abortions will not need to be recorded in this record…but the law that passed Congress states no such exclusion.

    2) Sheriff is investigating Mel Gibson’s former Russian girlfriend for blackmail. She basically released those tapes making him look bad because he wouldn’t submit to the blackmail. Notice how the anti-male media dutifully allowed her to destroy Mel Gibson’s reputation after he refused to play ball?

    3) This is really disgusting: An Israeli court has just convicted an Arab citizen of Israel of rape because he lied to a Jewish woman that he was Jewish and she agreed to casual sex as a result!

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

    I’ve generally been a big Israel supporter, but if their feminist state has gone so far, I’d consider ending financial and military aid until they man up again.

    I want to see CH do separate posts about each of these issues, especially this dangerous court precedent (albeit in Israel) where a man can be convicted of rape for lying to a woman (lets say about his age or financial status).

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  206. Gorb,

    Although what you say to Sniper is all true, that doesn’t mean that the kinds of relationships she describes are unnatural. On the societal level, men dominate, but there have always been women who like having a collection of male lovers, and who are powerful enough or beautiful enough that the men are happy to stay out of each others’ way.

    Also, people’s behavior and the types of relationships they have are very strongly affected by their relative attractiveness.

    The interesting question she raises is how universal female hypergamy is — a woman who is an 8 might enjoy maintaining a string of male 5’s and 6’s at her beck and call (especially if she rates them higher than most girls because of common interests, for example if she is a cute nerd girl who happens to like nerds), but male 7’s or higher would get jealous, and if she wants an 8 she would have to be exclusive, and if she falls for a 9 or 10 she might be happy to restrict herself while being part of his harem.

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  207. @Sniper
    I know quite a few women who say they wouldn’t be averse to having a life where they lived with their father and had boyfriend/s.

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  208. Polymath said “Gorb, Although what you say to Sniper is all true, that doesn’t mean that the kinds of relationships she describes are unnatural. On the societal level, men dominate, but there have always been women who like having a collection of male lovers, and who are powerful enough or beautiful enough that the men are happy to stay out of each others’ way”
    I think this topic Sniper has brought up in a roundabout way is quite interesting.

    The alpha male wants his main woman but also wants to be able to have a harem or at least flings on the side. Is there a significant percentage of women who would also like this sort of arrangement.

    Sure it may not be possible because of societal pressures/violent males etc, but is it something that they would actually want.

    [editor: it’s not possible because most women don’t want that.]

    Some women have got away with it because of beauty or power, but would more women want it if they could get away with it.

    [no. women are not as easily able as men to separate love from sex, or to love more than one partner at a time.]

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  209. @Ronin
    LOL. Thank you.

    Though, I’ve only spend time in NY & California & they were both full of tall blondes so the competition seemed a lot higher. Plus they seemed to wake up at 5am to hit the gym, I’m way too lazy for that.

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  210. The problem with Sniper’s idea is that not a lot of men are going to volunteer for it and the ones that do are not going to be the ones she wants.

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  211. Thanks Dalrock, I’ll check it out.

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  212. Laura,

    Sniper’s idea can work, and has worked, for some women. Lily asks if it is “a significant percentage”, and the editor misinterprets her and says “it’s not possible because most women don’t want that”, overlooking that “a significant percentage” need not be “most”.

    When you say “not a lot of men are going to volunteer for it” you make assumptions about relative attractiveness rank. There are an awful lot of men who would volunteer to shag Scarlett Johansson once in a while even if that’s all they ever got out of her.

    And a woman whose tastes are a little different from the norm, who might rate as 7’s men who would be considered 5’s or 6’s by most women, might find the decrease in attractiveness compensated for by the increase in variety and quantity — men do this much more than women, but the tradeoff still exists for women.

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  213. My previous example should have been clearer. Of course there are lots of men who would shag Scarlett Johansson once in a while — but I meant also that there are many men for whom the chance to shag Scarlett once in a while is attractive enough that they would agree to not sleep with anyone else in return, participating in a polyandrous relationship.

    Obviously there are plenty of sluts who can sleep with lots of men, including very attractive ones, but they can’t get any exclusivity out of them. The situation Sniper raised is different, where the men agree to be exclusive but the woman does not, and this is what I am saying is not as unnatural or rare as others (who have been making additional assumptions about relative attractiveness) have been saying.

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  214. @Poly
    She did say “confident, and outgoing men that all the other women share the pool with (after getting him tested, of course)”

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  215. She did refer to true polyamory like that, but she also referred twice to relationships with multiple men, one woman, where the men were exclusive (“exclusive male lovers”, “exclusive to her”).

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  216. on July 22, 2010 at 10:28 am Like I Give a flying fuck

    Anyone who considers ‘MYSTERY’ as ‘HOT’ needs a check-up from the neck-up.

    That guy is FUG and the maybelline ain’t helpin’. Any douchebag, I hope all is well in PUA world. lmfao

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  217. on July 22, 2010 at 10:30 am Like I Give a flying fuck

    Men who cheat are a dime-a-dozen.

    Skanks before Yanks.

    I have a ‘tugging’ feeling.

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  218. @Laura
    Sure. But question is not whether guys would sign up for it but whether a significant % of women would actually like it. Just like significant % (if not most!) men would like a main woman and a harem but majority wouldn’t get away with it.

    Look at this story
    This woman had the mega provider type as her main man, then got pregnant by the mayor of London, also had/does have other women on the go (despite the fact he is ‘no oil painting’ nowadays and has a blustery exterior, he does actually possess good genes, he’s super super clever. He’s also fun) as well as his wife. She’s now with another guy (I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d been at least an orbiter beforehand).
    By the way, I would describe all the guys mentioned in this story as alpha, just in different ways.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295125/London-mayor-Boris-Johnson-embroiled-paternity-riddle.html

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  219. @Like I Give a flying fuck
    Mystery is certainly not the type of guy I’d go for. But you have to admit that even with the make up, he looks a bit like Johnny Depp. Actually, the make up makes him look like Johnny Depp’s character in Pirates of the Caribbean. Maybe this is done deliberately? i.e. he’s subconciously gaming women into thinking he looks like that character, ergo they then think he looks like Johnny Depp.

    Anyway, he is tall which women associate with good genes. He does look quite sleazy though.

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  220. @Laura
    Just to clarify what I said about those guys being alpha, I don’t mean in this story/their roles within it, but generally in life, it was just a bit of background as I appreciate you won’t know who they are.

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  221. Gorb made an interesting comment about most women in the couples swap scene being post-menopausal. However, I think they are only “aberrant” in that they haven’t been divorced like most other women their age whose husbands have wandering eyes. Many have agreed to keep their husband happy by letting him have the theoretical chance of scoring one of the rare but amazing young wives or experimenting young women who show up maybe once per month at clubs like that (mostly to perform exhibitionist sex with the man they came with in front of the old men and women).

    Sure, its aberrant for women not to enforce monogamy under threat but…

    They are generally happy new age people, Republicans and Democrats mixed together.

    Seeing the rare young exhibitionist women at such a place is a sight for sore eyes and great for learning the animalistic nature of women (to see, for instance, a 19 year old who showed up on a dare, suddenly shed the ASD and get more wild with strangers than the post-menopausal regulars).

    For instance, you will learn that there really is a big curiousity among many young white women regarding black mens’ anatomy…or that they have always dreamed of doing two men at once.

    That kind of stuff sears into the brain…and you will never hold women on a pedestal again if you go to such a club.

    While 90% of the people in the “lifestyle” (or who go to nudist colonies) are eccentric old folks, many of the 10% of couples that are younger, great looking and more normal people, are outstanding members of their community including doctors, dentists and lawyers. I knew a local dentist who was 6’4″ and built like Schwarzeneger and he seemed to be bedding everyone’s wife in Seattle this way.

    There is an iron-clad code of silence about who goes there and total denial is all that would be needed to counter the unheard-of tattle tale…similar to the way German male celebrities have no fear of being sighted at a specific elite brothel in Hamburg because they would say they were going there for the food from the 4 star chef . The only thing unbelievable about “Eyes Wide Shut” is that I’ve never heard of this silence being kept by murder.

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  222. on July 22, 2010 at 10:48 am Lily you are a fuckin' retard

    Mystery looks NOTHING like Depp. GTFO, you insipid chit. Mystery looks like a used up, soaked to the string, suicidal tampon with and without make-up. Depp is handsome, charismatic and MYSTERIOUS no matter how ugly a director tries to make him with make-up.

    Check yo’-self befo’ you wreck yo’-self.

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  223. @ whatever your name is
    Sure, mystery is really really ugly. All the women who have had sex with him did it *purely* because of his PUA tactics. He would have had just as much sex with women if he was 20 stone and really really ugly.

    Though agreed on Johnny Depp, can’t even give him a point out of 10 because he deserves a league of his own.

    [editor: but style is ugly, and he has gotten many hot chicks on game alone.]

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  224. Sniper-

    Ideally, a woman should find a provider(s) who is more than happy to have her company as a friend and partner. They offer financial, intellectual, and emotional support, while she seeks out the seed of strong, confident, and outgoing men that all the other women share the pool with (after getting him tested, of course). Of course a woman’s time is more valuable because of 9-month leases on the womb, which is why she needs men to stick around and support her (ie, it won’t be the alphas).

    So is your advocacy of knowing male cuckoldry what’s now being taught in your college’s wymen’s studies department sniper? Places should be met with male ultra violence. All the bitches raped or beaten, depending on what they look like. Primal power assertion.

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  225. Eastpole–

    I was wondering what happened to that thread. A perfectly legitimate topic IMHO.

    What happened to it is that I cleared up the foggy impressions and knowledge about HPV w/ a summer of what’s known and what’s to be done about it. Which done with her 3rd year med student Bhetti confirmed.

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  226. @ Doug

    Please, don’t be mean to Sniper. I know she frames things in a way you don’t like, but some of her thoughts are quite interesting. And she is from the younger demographic so many men on here claim is their preferred.

    Men say watch what women do not what they say. If men react to women sharing thoughts in the way you’re reacting to Sniper then no wonder..;-)

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  227. @Doug1:

    “Places should be met with male ultra violence. All the bitches raped or beaten, depending on what they look like. Primal power assertion.”

    WTF is wrong with you.

    In response to this post:
    the best response I got from a guy without even saying I had a boyfriend:

    I was on facebook, and a guy from my chem class IM’s me. My profile picture was one of my bf and I, and it said I was in a relationship with him on there.

    My classmate and I were talking for a while, and I mentioned I have two half brothers who live in different states. He says,”Which brother is in your picture? The oldest one or the younger one?”

    Despite all the photo comments that said,”Aww, you and your boyfriend are so cute.” Despite the fact that my facebook said I was in a relationship, he said this.

    When I told him he was my boyfriend, my classmate responded,”No offense, but you two look related.”

    He’s a 6’6″ white guy with dirty blonde hair. I’m a 5’4″ brunette Latina.

    Pretty good neg.

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  228. @Doug1:
    “What happened to it is that I cleared up the foggy impressions and knowledge about HPV w/ a summer of what’s known and what’s to be done about it. Which done with her 3rd year med student Bhetti confirmed.”
    What was your stance on HPV and the vaccine? I’ve always read that:
    1) Almost everyone gets one form of HPV or the other.
    2) Most forms of HPV are harmless and most people’s immune systems fight it off.
    3) A very small percentage of women get abnormal pap smears from it.
    4) An even smaller percentage (less than 1%) who don’t get pap smears for several years and/or don’t get their abnormal results checked out develop cervical cancer.

    I always felt like the vaccine was pushed by pharmaceutical companies to make a buck.

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  229. I enjoy hearing Sniper’s viewpoint also, even if I don’t think she is being completely honest with herself about what types of relationships men and women prefer. Also Doug I don’t think she referred to cuckolding a man without his knowledge.

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  230. Lily–

    From the article you linked:

    “On the birth certificate she declined to identify the man who had fathered the child.”

    So you Brits just let the woman declare who the father is on the birth certificate and that’s taken as the word of god?

    Cause women never lie? Cause there are no issues of self interest at stake?

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  231. Lily,

    I think it is hilarious how much Sniper gets on people’s nerves. As a statistician, I can accept the existence of outliers, but some men feel threatened if not EVERY woman fits into their categories. I criticize Sniper about some things, but I don’t find her very existence disturbing.

    It’s the flip side of people who abuse Nicole and refuse to listen to her because she is unattractive; a cute girl who says she is not interested in the type of man they are is seen as a legitimate target of abuse. (Not that she doesn’t have some confused ideas, but they don’t explain the temperature of the criticisms.)

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  232. Mandy XD

    WTF is wrong with you.

    Uber American feminism is what.

    As Mao said, all power ultimately comes from the barrel of a gun.

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  233. @Doug

    ““On the birth certificate she declined to identify the man who had fathered the child.” So you Brits just let the woman declare who the father is on the birth certificate and that’s taken as the word of god?””

    Ha hah. No, lol. If you’re legally married, then you can put your husband’s name down. If you’re not married, then the father has to accompany you to have his name included. Or the father goes to get the birth certificate without the mother present which is quite common. It’s usually done a few weeks after birth at the local town hall. Though these days you can get it done in Asda (like walmart) because there was a problem with the so-called ‘chavs’ not registering within the time limit.

    Funny until I saw that scan of the certificate, I didn’t realise they’d stopped putting ‘father unknown’ when there wasn’t a father’s name. Must have been a PC thing brought in under Blair’s government.

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  234. Polymath–

    I think it is hilarious how much Sniper gets on people’s nerves. As a statistician, I can accept the existence of outliers,

    It’s not that she’s an outlier. It’s that she’s fully of shiite. Talking out of her ass about that which she knows next to nothing, either directly or through a lot of vicarious learning. Neither. Just bullsiite that she likes. Or likes to throw out as a trial balloon.

    Gorby pwned her dumb shiite in one area and rightly so.

    White knighting fool.

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  235. on July 22, 2010 at 11:51 am Shit Tester Extraordinaire

    Ugly men faking ‘game/alpha’ don’t ‘keep’ a hot girl. PERIOD. They lose the girl to a REAL alpha in the END.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh and

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Mystery is FUggedy FUG FUG FUG. So what? He ‘fakes’ it to ‘make’ it. Wow. There’s a Grouch Marx line in there:

    “Ah, sincerity –Once you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”

    Stupid cunts.

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  236. Doug1,

    It’s not enough for me to persistently disagree with Sniper about several points, as long as I agree with her about some things and criticize abusive language I’m a White Knight?

    Okay, that’s a broader definition of it than I’ve seen before, but feel free. I would reserve the term for someone who was actually auditioning for her harem….

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  237. This is a frightening article about Swedish feminism and what it could mean for the rest of the world if the Swedish model catches on:

    The Stigma of Being a Housewife

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/world/europe/21iht-LETTER.html?_r=3

    Here is a Lemondrop blog entry about that infamous “End of Men” article by Hanna Rosin:

    http://www.lemondrop.com/2010/07/20/the-end-of-men-i-married-a-real-man/

    And here is the MSNBC video about Hanna Rosin’s article:

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38279151/ns/today-relationships/18424824

    Several hundred main stream “journalists” are now being skewered all over the Internet for having belonged to the Journolist forum where they admitted to each other that they were political hacks, not real journalists (we all knew this already) as they tried to actively collaborate in suppressing issues uncomfortable to liberals:

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/22/when-mccain-picked-palin-liberal-journalists-coordinated-the-best-line-of-attack/3/

    This is a 23 year old heterosexual male (maybe not really judging by the way he moves in his videos) who wants to “crowd-source” his dating decisions. Somebody please drop this guy some advice to read Rossy’s blog:

    http://datingbrian.com/about/

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  238. Relating to the title of this thread — coming from a polyamorist like Sniper describes, the line would be something like “I have three boyfriends” — if all you are interested in is sex, then that line is a lot more encouraging than “I have a boyfriend”. Of course if you have to go through the boyfriend qualification course first she’d have to be awfully hot to be worth it….

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  239. Shit tester is the shit.

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  240. on July 22, 2010 at 4:22 pm Grand Poobah of High Upper Butt Crack

    Riddle me this, man-boy folks:

    Do you really want to keep a girl you easily ‘gamed’? Or is ‘game’ a constant, shifting, semi-combative modus that revolves around trashy whores being ‘practiced’ on? And, if you only ‘practice’ on people whom you already deem unworthy of yourself, how on earth do you reconcile yourself with that once you encounter someone with whom you genuinely respect and want a REAL relationship with?

    When do you turn ‘game’ off and become REAL with a woman you truly want for life?

    Discuss.

    I’ll brew some coffee.

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  241. @Butt Crack
    Riddle me this, man-boy folks:

    Riddle me this, Aging Feminist: Why do you care what a group of guys you ostensibly don’t care about do to meet women?

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  242. Gorbachev,

    Is there a service I can sign up to and get paged when you are about to go off on someone like you did above with Sniper? You have the best rants of anyone I’ve ever seen, hands down.

    Pure poetry.

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  243. @Doug, I’m going to start reading it now, but the way things look, I’m on your side vs. Lily.

    I went to a gynecologist for the first time not long ago and she told me the same things. And her husband is an oncologist.

    @Lily: Getting a vaccine that covers 4 strains out of what potentially may be over a 100 (though last I checked two years ago, a little over thirty had been identified) that less than 1% of the population has is….ridiculous. Especially since the HPV vaccine has had so much controversy, particularly girls that have died and been permanently paralyzed from it. The only way to protect yourself from cervical cancer is by getting yearly pap smears and staying on top of your health, regardless of whether you have the vaccine or not. That’s all. It’s a responsibility you owe to your partner and most importantly, yourself.

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  244. on July 22, 2010 at 5:54 pm Smashing_Retards

    Doug said:

    It’s not that she’s an outlier. It’s that she’s fully of shiite. Talking out of her ass about that which she knows next to nothing, either directly or through a lot of vicarious learning. Neither. Just bullsiite that she likes. Or likes to throw out as a trial balloon.

    Gorby pwned her dumb shiite in one area and rightly so.

    White knighting fool.

    Gorby was, and continues to be, addicted to female approval.

    “Game” simply allows him to avoid making it sufficiently obvious that he is a Momma’s Boy that the women flee.

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  245. @Smashing_Retards

    Gorby was, and continues to be, addicted to female approval.

    “Game” simply allows him to avoid making it sufficiently obvious that he is a Momma’s Boy that the women flee.

    I just don’t hate women as a matter of course. That’s loser game.

    Now, retarded men – there are lots of those I hate.

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  246. on July 22, 2010 at 6:33 pm Smashing_Retards

    I just don’t hate women as a matter of course. That’s loser game.

    Did you momma teach you that?

    Now, retarded men – there are lots of those I hate.

    I was already included in “those your hate” cause I don’t suck up to the established order. Which is one of Gorby’s conditions for being a “good person”.

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  247. on July 22, 2010 at 6:44 pm Smashing_Retards

    As an example of what I’m talking about, Gorby started squealing like crazy when people expressed open hatred for the current government.

    Why should he care? Does he somehow believe the current American government represents something that should be preserved?

    No, Gorby just supports whoever is in charge, just like his Momma taught him. Indeed, he made no moral defense of the current system.

    Likewise, he yields to Momma that men should be punished for sleeping with young women. Gorby just barely manages, after having his life destroyed by a divorce, to mouth out that “maybe totally destroying their lives is a little overkill”. He still avoids openly criticizing women for SAYING the lives of men should be totally destroyed.

    There are lines Gorby won’t cross. Hell, nobody had the guts to call an evil whore an evil whore but me. Tellingly, nobody had the guts to mouth off about how “she really isn’t an evil whore”. Why is that?

    Cause everybody knows the score. But Momma is watching!

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  248. @Smashing

    Gorby does seem to have an annoying lack of interest in women 17-25 (annoying only for older PUAs who prefer that age range) but he apparently likes skinny women who age better than the voluptuous women I desire until they get too fat.

    That doesn’t indicate that he’s any kind of momma’s boy. He just doesn’t see why so many of us like em young with “baby fat” and curves.

    He does have a social conservative bent which may be annoying to those who believe in the occasional lap dance and couples swap club visit…but that isn’t really momma’s boy territory either. He doesn’t attack others who believe differently on such matters.

    Finally, he seems to be a bit too pro-Anglo-Saxon for someone whose been around the world and seen how much easier it is to deal with non-Anglo-Saxon women.

    That is a paradox…annoying to those who want to kiss the Anglo world goodbye…but still not any indication that he’s a momma’s boy of any kind. He’s quite right to note the technological and economic success of Anglo men despite the fact that Anglo men have let themselves be castrated by feminism.

    He still remains one of the top 5 most interesting commenters here.

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  249. @Lily

    If you’re legally married, then you can put your husband’s name down. If you’re not married, then the father has to accompany you to have his name included. Or the father goes to get the birth certificate without the mother present which is quite common.

    I don’t think it is that different in the state of Texas. We just had a son, and the nature of the questions for the birth certificate were very troubling. They had boxes for everything, including married with someone other than the husband as the father.

    I put in my name as the father, but I’m still perplexed as to how he could have and afro. Oh well, genetics are funny they tell me.

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  250. @Jerry

    He does have a social conservative bent which may be annoying to those who believe in the occasional lap dance and couples swap club visit…but that isn’t really momma’s boy territory either. He doesn’t attack others who believe differently on such matters.

    I think I recall him posting about accepting an offer to service a wife while the husband waited. Or am I mixing this up?

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  251. Skinny women “age better” than Curvy Women because the latter have to maintain a perfect shape formed by a muscle and fat combination whereas the former can rely more on their skeleton to keep its shape. 😉

    Men who like skinny women can, therefore, be attracted to such women much longer.

    Men who like voluptuous women have to face the fact that muscle tone will get flabby if a gf doesn’t constantly exercise throughout her 20s. The muscle tone to flab issue is extremely serious at age 25 if the woman hasn’t been convinced to be constantly exercising at that point in her life.

    Voluptuous women can also get really fat in less than 10 days and at any time, but especially in the mid-20s. They can also go quickly in the opposite direction, becoming more angular and less curvy after 25.

    I wish I could be attracted to the skinny women whose figure relies more on skeletal structure than muscle tone and fat.

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  252. @Jerry,

    Finally, he seems to be a bit too pro-Anglo-Saxon for someone whose been around the world and seen how much easier it is to deal with non-Anglo-Saxon women.

    The reason I’m so pro-Anglo-Saxon culture is precisely because I’ve been all over the world.

    Though I love non-Anglo women. I grew a particular appreciation for the fine form of Asian women, for example, and the interesting cultural quirks in Asian societies.

    Europe is nice, but the Anglo world is frankly better in almost every respect.

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  253. on July 22, 2010 at 8:10 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I’m with Gorb on this one. Culturally Anglo women may be crap for marriage, but Anglo culture is dominant for a very good reason.

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  254. @dalrock

    I think I recall him posting about accepting an offer to service a wife while the husband waited. Or am I mixing this up?

    Mixing it up. Though I’ve serviced a few women whose husbands either didn’t mind or got turned on by the prospect.

    None who were actively there at the time, though.

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  255. Jerry,

    Could skin color also have much to do with it? It seems like pale women tend to get flabby as they age. Their arms, bicep area, are fatter and wider than mine. As a guy, that’s disturbing.

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  256. on July 22, 2010 at 8:40 pm Smashing_Retards

    I’m with Gorb on this one. Culturally Anglo women may be crap for marriage, but Anglo culture is dominant for a very good reason.

    Because it got two continents without having to fight for them?

    If the Germans had somehow colonized North America instead of England, WWI would have turned out a little differently. And there wouldn’t have been a World War II.

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  257. @Smashed_Retardbrain,

    As an example of what I’m talking about, Gorby started squealing like crazy when people expressed open hatred for the current government.

    No. I just have little patience for testosterone-laced bravado masquerading as political opinion. Dickless wonders who think they’re going to single-handedly take on the COPS, man, get those COPS, or the Army, or who think that the hydra-headed Evil Government has a Plan to Exterminate White People.

    Seriously, I’d like to see 100 of these talk-hard guys take on, say, five armed American marines and see what happens. Not a single revolutionary would be left alive.

    Why should he care? Does he somehow believe the current American government represents something that should be preserved?
    No, Gorby just supports whoever is in charge, just like his Momma taught him. Indeed, he made no moral defense of the current system.

    I’ve never indicated that I love this government, I’ve never tried to defend it at all. You’re doing what he hates most: You’re ascribing opinions to me.

    One thing for sure: I’d damned well sure not let you design a new government.

    You give good, honest conservative white people bad names.


    Likewise, he yields to Momma that men should be punished for sleeping with young women. Gorby just barely manages, after having his life destroyed by a divorce, to mouth out that “maybe totally destroying their lives is a little overkill”. He still avoids openly criticizing women for SAYING the lives of men should be totally destroyed.

    Alright, I think a 30 year-old fucking a 13 year-old is creepy and wrong. Even a 14 year-old. A 17 year-old, no. That’s the lower age threshold for me, personally. Other men may bring that down to say 16. Fine. Even 15.

    I like my women to be women, as a rule, not children.

    And I think statutory rape laws are fine : we should just ratchet the age down slightly from, say, 18. I never wavered from that.

    There are lines Gorby won’t cross. Hell, nobody had the guts to call an evil whore an evil whore but me. Tellingly, nobody had the guts to mouth off about how “she really isn’t an evil whore”. Why is that?

    Cause everybody knows the score. But Momma is watching!

    Dude, you either need more of whatever you’re on or a lot less. I suggest more. A lot more.

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  258. on July 23, 2010 at 12:15 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on July 22, 2010 at 4:47 pm Mandy! XD
    @Doug, I’m going to start reading it now, but the way things look, I’m on your side vs. Lily.

    I went to a gynecologist for the first time not long ago and she told me the same things. And her husband is an oncologist.

    @Lily: Getting a vaccine that covers 4 strains out of what potentially may be over a 100 (though last I checked two years ago, a little over thirty had been identified) that less than 1% of the population has is….ridiculous. Especially since the HPV vaccine has had so much controversy, particularly girls that have died and been permanently paralyzed from it. The only way to protect yourself from cervical cancer is by getting yearly pap smears and staying on top of your health, regardless of whether you have the vaccine or not. That’s all. It’s a responsibility you owe to your partner and most importantly, yourself.

    ”””””””’

    Here is the scary part mandy.

    The woman who die from cervical cancer are nearly identical in the developing world versus the developed world.

    So with the 500 times money spend on medical shit and our woman getting their pussies regularly checked there is only a 3 percent diference with the deaths of woman from cervical cancer.

    So yea it is crazy when you realize that everything is a lie.
    So I think I am the one who tore that shit up.

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  259. on July 23, 2010 at 12:21 am gunslingergregi

    So we are spending more money for the same basic results as people who spend almost no money.

    Sounds like equal opportunity and female empowerment and spending lots of money for school and for services isn’t really doing us any good.

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  260. on July 23, 2010 at 12:32 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””Gorbachev
    @Smashed_Retardbrain,

    As an example of what I’m talking about, Gorby started squealing like crazy when people expressed open hatred for the current government.

    No. I just have little patience for testosterone-laced bravado masquerading as political opinion. Dickless wonders who think they’re going to single-handedly take on the COPS, man, get those COPS, or the Army, or who think that the hydra-headed Evil Government has a Plan to Exterminate White People.

    Seriously, I’d like to see 100 of these talk-hard guys take on, say, five armed American marines and see what happens. Not a single revolutionary would be left alive.
    ”””””””
    Dickless?
    The only real men after a divorce are the dead ones.
    Not the cops the lawyers, the lawyers.
    Cops and marines are guys like me getting fucked by the lawyers the lawyers.
    That is why you want to see a hundred guys go up against marines or cops.
    Because your probably a lawyer a lawyer.

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  261. on July 23, 2010 at 12:40 am gunslingergregi

    Gorb have you looked into my claims that blacks are intentionally moved into white areas and their rent is paid. I think this may open your mind to how the real world has been working for the last 20 or more years in the us.

    Check into it.

    I just had to live it.

    You just have to research it.

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  262. on July 23, 2010 at 12:52 am gunslingergregi

    I always did think the idiots who are scared of the army being armed all the time were dumb and setting the army up for a failure.
    Every base I was at I did my own survey for defensability and ability to withstand assault.
    Too many holes. Military men should all have loaded m16’s in there rooms.
    Otherwise they are put at an extreme disadvantage in the event of an attack on their living areas. It would be easy to freaking take out about 60 percent of the armies equipment because people are actually afraid to give the troops weapons in preacetime and the ability to defend their base.

    On my way into bosnia I was supposed to guard a trainload of army equipment. It took three days to get to bosnia by train. Stopping at every train station in bosnia. We had no rounds.
    When we got to base they issued us 30 rounds.
    The bradley fighting vehicles in the base where not issued rounds.
    How does that make sense?

    In iraq there are areas where only african troops guarding the base have rounds. The american soldiers walking the base do not.
    How does this make sense?

    Yea it is all bullshit because any coordinated attack on an american army installation will result in mass casualties.

    Your 5 marine theory doesn’t even hold up in peacetime because those 5 marines would be mowed down because they wouldn’t have guns and they wouldn’t have rounds.

    So yea america doesn’t care about its own soldiers safety either.
    Probably because of some fucking lawyers.

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  263. on July 23, 2010 at 1:10 am gunslingergregi

    In germany and any installation the building are in perfect rows. I figured the way I would coordinate attack would be to place shooters at the intersection of every row then just have teams go door to door.
    I figured my best chance for surving an attack on the installation was to stay in my room and wait for my door to be busted down and then attempt to take out the intruders.

    I like to think up scenerios and then imagine how I would react so that I follow through if a worse case scenerio happens. I am ready mentally.

    Because yea the army doesn’t let you keep a gun and rounds in your room. They have one or two guards at the gate. in germany even after 9/11 they had guards at the gate hired germans like 2 and that was with upped security. So yea like 2 guards when the army was on a heightened security footing supposed to be ready for a terrorist attack in germany. You would think heightened would mean they give soldiers bullets. But that was not the case.

    Look what happened at fort hood 42 people dead or something.
    Now picture your 100 man coordinated attack against soldiers with no weapons or rounds.
    Gonna be real real fucking bad.
    So don’t talk shit about what you don’t know
    he he he

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  264. on July 23, 2010 at 1:21 am gunslingergregi

    Same with the us airforce totally unprepared for a coordinated attack on planes on airfield.

    Some lawyers need to get there shit together and make dam sure every soldier is armed.

    But yea obviously terrorism is more bullshit than anything because all military installations are a joke to take out.

    Just another example of men being looked at by the elite as expendable.

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  265. Look at the condescending response from the advertising CEO in that business publication saying “I’m a man and I care about my rights but I don’t see them under attack”:

    http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=131584

    If anyone wants to take a crack at it, please only those who are erudite and convincing. Mainly CEOs and other advertising executives read that forum. Some, I guess, have never heard that feminism might be taking their own rights away.

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  266. The Times of India has definitively decided…

    Women Are At Their Most Attractive at 31:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Life/Relationships/Man-Woman/Women-are-most-attractive-at-31/articleshow/6187549.cms

    Scientists conducting the survey were women aged 31. 😉

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  267. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2u4ueqp&s=3

    Fail.

    Jumbotron test fail, specifically.

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  268. lmao men fighting over a woman? now where have we seen this before.

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  269. @Reginald

    Mondo funny video.

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  270. @Mandy
    “@Doug, I’m going to start reading it now, but the way things look, I’m on your side vs. Lily.”
    I didn’t realise there were sides in cervical cancer 🙂

    “@Lily: Getting a vaccine that covers 4 strains out of what potentially may be over a 100 (though last I checked two years ago, a little over thirty had been identified) that less than 1% of the population has is….ridiculous.”

    My recollection is that 1 or 2 strains are responsible for most of it.

    Everyone’s going to have different opinions on this, I live in England where we have the NHS so a lot of decisions are made on cost-effectiveness. Even if the vaccine is proven to be as effective in older women IMO it doesn’t make sense to offer it on the NHS, it’s too expensive.

    Will I pay £400 myself? Yes. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have regular PAPs. I’m probably more aware of it because I had someone very close to me die of cervical cancer. And every time I mention it to anyone, I hear another story. So for the cost of a couple of dinners out, of course I’m going to do it. Certainly before I’m sexually active again.

    Look into it and make whatever decision works for you. But please no more talk of sides in cancer 😉

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  271. Best response to IHAB I ever heard was: “Why are you telling me this?” It turns the tables beautifully. She explains, “You seemed interested,” you can neg, “You’re a little presumptuous.” She says nothing, you shrug with a puzzled look and change the subject. Either way, she ends up DLV! Beautiful!

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  272. This is an old posting, but I had to weigh in. I heard a guy use one of these lines on a female friend last night. His game was god-awful, and I wanted to illustrate one of the lines’ ineffectiveness:

    Him: “Hey, my friend thinks you’re really cute. Can I get your number for him?” (Note: Most piss-poor example of “game” I’ve ever heard, especially from someone who apparently visits the Chateau regularly)

    Her: “I have a boyfriend.”
    Him: “I have a goldfish.”
    Her: “Huh?”
    Him: “Oh, I thought we were talking about shit that didn’t matter.”

    I sat back and let the events play themselves out for curiosity’s sake. Ignoring the fact that this guy’s buddy was too much of a sissy to approach himself, this line did nothing but confuse my friend. She’s of middling intelligence, neither smart nor stupid.

    I asked her afterward what the impact of his response was, and she said she didn’t understand what he meant until she had a minute to sit down and analyze what he’d said, and by that time he’d already been blown out of the set. Utter failure. I’d employ one of the simpler responses as a reply to IHAB – complex, witty replies are usually lost on the female populace, especially while drinking.

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  273. hi iam rajesh
    i have a girlfriend
    iam stadying bsc first yerar

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  274. Problem with this kind of material is it never really says what to do if a girl actually HAS a boyfriend genuinely and is not just making up shit. I been in situations where I think I did a good job because the girl neglects to mention her bf til the last minute (ie before sex or during foreplay around 3rd base-ish). Then the I have a bf comes out and its like god damit again. Problem is these girls really do have boyfriends because many hot girls basically go from bf to bf cheating on basically all of them once the relationship goes south and only breaking it off after she already has a new bf.

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