What Is Anti-Game?

Feh writes:

Anti-game is trivial:

– get misty-eyed at emotional shit
– bore her with details
– constantly let her re-frame
– buy her drinks [Ed: Outside of a date context.]
– compliment her gratuitously
– talk about your hobbies with oblivious enthusiasm
– never ask her a question
– never look away
– let her see your shit-eating smile
– accede to her manipulative horseshit
– never, ever say “horseshit” in conversation

The list could go on …

It could, and it shall. Here are some more anti-game behaviors and traits, from a pickup and LTR perspective:

Constantly remind her how happy you are to be with her.
Laugh at your own jokes.
Laugh uproariously at her “jokes”.
Feed her need for gossip.
Put up with her shit an order of magnitude more frequently than she puts up with your shit.
Ask yes or no or one-word answer type questions.
Act contrite when she catches you checking out her body.
Stare, look away, stare, look away, stare, look away.
Ask her if she has a condom.
Cuddle her so long that she is the one to first start wriggling free.
Hold in farts around her until your colon bursts. (LTR applicable only.)
Fidget, talk fast, mumble, lean in, babble tiresomely like a girl who has a heavy emotional burden to unload.
Talk incessantly about the state of the relationship.
Whine about how hard life is.
Betray too much enthusiasm when she tells you about something cool she did.
Act impressed with her educational credentials or career success.
Sympathize with her bitching about badboy exes.
Agree to her tacit sex timetable. (A woman is capable of making you wait for months absent any masculine push on your part. Ironically, this very acquiescence to her female sensibility will turn her off to sex with you.)
Get wrathfully jealous every time she checks out a dude or talks about another guy.
Spitefully berate her genuine accomplishments.
Say crap like “I don’t deserve you” with sincerity.
Be a kitchen bitch.
Drop everything you like to do to do everything she likes to do. (Man, I know a lot of guys like this. Sickening.)
Wanly smile when she denigrates you to her friends.
Make videos like this. (Suffice to say, this nauseating beta dweeb did not win his ex back, muscles and looks to the contrary notwithstanding.)
Resort to saying “I suppose you’re right” every time she accuses you of some character defect.
Constantly, and insipidly, ask her if she “likes it this way” during lovemaking.
Forget the art of plain old fucking.
Turn to face her fully as soon as you open a girl. Stay that way while she continues giving you her profile.
Buying girls drinks as a MEANS OF OPENING THEM.
Muck up cold reads until they sound like interrogations.
Show up more than five minutes early for dates. (She doesn’t have to know about this, but it will be written all over your body language.)
Go for the night-ending kiss, get denied, follow up by shouting at her as she’s leaving that you’ll call her. Make it a promise.
Skip on the way home after a “successful” date that did not end in sex.
Apologize for infractions she has not even accused you of.
Support feminism. Make a big show of it.
Ingratiate yourself to her. (Example: “Porn is disgusting. I’d never watch it.”)
Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion.
Make breakfast for her after the first night together. (She has not yet earned your LTR provisions. Buying her breakfast at the local deli is OK.)
Deprecate yourself for cheap laughs and conversation fuel. (As an example of the handicap principle in action, self-deprecation is acceptable in small — very small — doses.)
Follow her from bar to bar.
Join her plans instead of inviting her to join your plans.
Agree to meet her friends before you have sexed her. (Note: this can be pulled off if you have very high value or tight game, and you are certain sex is an eventual given.)
Wait in the exact same spot for her to return after she has told you she’ll be gone for ten minutes. Talk to no one while waiting.
Pine over, or disparage, your ex on a first date.
Listen to her intently when she talks about her exes.
Always follow her conversational lead. Never veer off the path she lays out, or start your own path.
Touch her hair too soon.
Sit with your legs crossed. (Acceptable only if you are an office executive.)
Sweat profusely from anything other than vigorous exercise, sex or fighting.
Eagerly say yes to every one of her requests. (“No” is a powerful male attractant. The mere utterance of it can electrify vulvae.)
Be hopelessly indecisive.
Fail every shit test in spectacular fashion. (Example: vehemently deny you are the thing she says you are.)
Pick your nose and wipe the booger on her forehead. (Save this for the six month mark, at which point she’ll be too invested to do anything more than feebly complain.)

There are many more anti-game tells, but I’ll stop for now. You should get the gist.

***

Anti-game is the suite of low-value male characteristics that actively repulses girls. It is a constellation of insecure, approval-seeking behavior that is a leading indicator the man behaving in such a way is a loser, and worse, believes he is a loser. Anti-game is distinguishable from no-game by the proactive and accelerated nature of its tendency to trigger disgust in women. A no-game-having beta can sometimes obliviously motor through a pickup if the girl he is hitting on is low value herself, or finds him peculiarly attractive, and thus more likely to forgive his lack of charm. But an anti-game-having beta will actually cause an incipient attraction a girl may have for him to quickly dissipate. Anti-game is the equivalent of a monkey throwing feces in the face of a prospective mate. Or Ahmadinejad bloviating about the 12th iman at the UN.

Anti-game, by the way, is a great method for manipulating a girl to break up with you so you don’t have to do the dirty work.





Comments


  1. FIRST! The ultimate in anti game.

    Like


    • Replying to your own FIRST post is also anti game. Why, yes, I am an expert on anti game. Because I have done damn near everything on this list. OK, many things on this list. It’s a rather sobering read. Now why would a fairly high value guy do things that lower his value? Answer, from CH – in the hopes of gaining approval. Lesson learned.

      Like


      • Right back at you SM.

        I have done everything on this list as well, although the worse ones were as a Teen and I was still getting laid so I give myself a bit of a break.

        Thankfully as I read down this list a saw nearly all the things i know longer do, and stopped doing even before I got into the wonder of Game.

        I think a lot of the list is simple maturity and experience markers that show a woman how worldly a man is.

        Like


    • @Southern Man
      FIRST! The ultimate in anti-game.
      Fucking A. Testify. Damned right lesson learned.
      Aperçu, epiphany, born-again, what-fucking-ever, can I get an amen?
      I’ve been lurking here for about a week. I can’t tear myself away from this goddamn site. I’ve had more revelations in the past few months than in the previous six decades. What a fucking idiot I’ve been!
      Guys, I assume you’re doing this not just for the money, but that you’re on a mission. Well, chalk up a little victory. Ya’ll just gave a sleepwalker the red pill.

      Like


    • Fuckin’ A.

      Like


  2. In other words, AFC behavior.

    Like


  3. A couple points:

    “never ask her a question”

    The fewer questions you ask, the more alpha you will seem. You are the oak, and she is there to enjoy you. In online game, asking a chick questions before you’ve established interest kills the pickup very quickly, and are not really necessary in the first place.

    “Resort to saying “I suppose you’re right” every time she accuses you of some character defect.”

    Depends. I say things like “I’m a conceited prick…I’m a terrible person…I live in a tent by the beach, next to the public showers” with a smug look, hint of a smirk. Doesn’t hurt. Roosh does a good job of it in his vids. If she’s calling you an asshole as you’re deprecating yourself, you’re doing it right.

    [Heartiste: If you’re saying it in a cocky way as a disqualifier, then that’s OK. I meant any guy who says it apologetically, to avoid a disagreement.]

    Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion.

    Paul Janka disagrees. Chicks into fashion are piqued by guys who know about women’s fashion. If there’s one thing herbs don’t know, it’s fashion.

    [True. That’s why I specified “too much”. It starts to creep a girl out if you can blab endlessly in excrutiating detail about chick shows or the latest fashion trends.]

    Like


  4. I’ve done a couple of those things and the result has clearly been a deadening of the attraction. Very depressing. Talking about the relationship should be A1A…..what a total tingle killer that is.

    Like


  5. The other thing that will blown my mind is when i see guys doing this type of crap but the girl isn’t splitting or isn’t looking like she is drifting. Maybe it’s the value discrepancy or something, but i notice that some guys can get away with it. This one kid i know is constantly telling his gf how much he loves her and i want to be like “how is he getting away with that.” Odd.

    Like


    • Some women are too busy to accept new alphas in their lives and having a doormat means she keeps her boots clean.

      Are these broads getting their Master’s Degrees or teaching undergrads?

      Give it time…

      Like


    • some chicks just dump one beta out of boredom and end up with another

      Like


  6. on September 23, 2011 at 2:19 pm Proud-to-be-an-Omega-Male

    I’ve never had the chance to practice anti-game cuz I am anti-game incarnate, I actively repulse both males and females.

    Like


  7. What is antigame? Maybe the better question is what is “game”? The technique invented and used by some nerd desperately trying to pull a hottie, which. Any kind of long term relationship requires people being at the same level. I takes the MAN with balls to hold and manage a hottie.

    Game – I´ll do anything just for your hot pussy, dear, I will learn NLP, palm reading, behave like a fuc.king moron, just to get laid. Manliness – I do not give a fuck about your little, insignificant pussy, unless you behave in the way that is worthy of my attention. Should you guys behave that way, men would be back in their driver seat again and women would follow our lead.

    [Heartiste: All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy. Game merely streamlines the process by dispensing with the proxy inefficiencies.]

    Like


    • Heartiste,

      If men stopped doing everything for the pussy, women would fall in line faster than anything else anyone has every tried short of killing us. It is the men who live solely for what they want that draw us more than ANYTHING else.

      Like


      • Caveat:

        Women worth LTR’s anyway. There will always be women who crave the bad boy no matter what crap he puts her through.

        Like


      • Men do everything that they do in order to impress women. It’s not even conscious. We are hardwired to long for status and accumulating wealth in order to ensure our reproductive success.
        We cannot stop doing everything for the pussy, just like women cannot mitigate their desire for successful men.
        A woman does not really want a rich guy in order to go shopping. It’s just that her propensity for shopping and accumulating useless crap is an evolutionary advantage. It pushes her to desire a wealthy/successful man, so that her kids won’t starve, and will be able to use their (putative) father’s resources in order to carry on her genetic legacy.

        Most guys on this blog (including me) are thinking in terms of evolutionary psychology. We believe in it because the whole Game is based on a bastardized version of evo psych, and since game works, evo psych is far from being the total BS that its detractors want it to be.

        Like


      • Men are hardwired to long for status and accumulating wealth, FULL STOP. If it was only reproduction that you were wired for you could simply take a woman and and reproduce. You should be living for yourselves. For self actualization. If you live like the the women will simply come. They will be there whether you want them to be or not. This is why women don’t want to be put on a pedestal. We want a man whom we can follow through this process.

        Pussy is simply a means to an end. It should never be the end.

        Like


      • MAN, contrary to the boy, is not an animal – slave to his body sensations/emotions/hormonal cycles, hard-wiring, etc. This one is the main difference between the MAN and 99 percent of women. Manliness is ultimate freedom, womanhood is slavery. You can not understand this. Pussy is neither goal not a mean to the end of MAN. Pussy is just…you know, pussy.

        Manliness is not hardwired. It is NOT a game. It has to be earned. It comes uninvited, at its own terms as an unexpected gift from outside. Brings a peace of mind and inner strenght with it. Brings FREEDOM. Everything to this is….secondary. All the pussy in the world has no value compared to this.

        Liked by 1 person


      • Greggy,

        Manliness is ultimate freedom. . . .It has to be earned. It comes uninvited, at its own terms as an unexpected gift from outside. Brings a peace of mind and inner strenght with it. Brings FREEDOM.

        I agree with you. Fully. I went with the hardwiring as that is what Matador said he understood and I thought it would be a good place to start. Self actualization will bring Manliness. That is the consequence of a man living for himself.

        Pussy is just…you know, pussy. . . .Everything to this is….secondary. All the pussy in the world has no value compared to this.

        When I wrote pussy is not a means to an end, this is exactly what I meant. The end being the big O. That O is great, but what are you left with afterward? The next big O. Big deal. The ultimate end should be a mans Self. With this Self, comes everything.

        womanhood is slavery.

        I disagree. If a woman is lucky enough to find a Man as you have describe, she also can find the ultimate freedom, if she allows herself to do it. It too has to be earned and a lot of hard wiring has to be overcome to do it, but it is there for the taking if we choose to.

        Like


      • For clarification, I used the hard wiring phrase as a stepping off point to get to the point that one is perfectly capable of moving beyond ones hard wiring.

        Like


      • womanhood is slavery

        I have been thinking about this some more, and while it is not technically true (see the definition of slave) one could argue that it is a mild form of slavery. A woman is most free with a Man by her side. One that she can respect and lovingly follow. However, the following is not forced, it is freely given. So slavery is a bad term in that the Man does not make her be an abject servant, rather she volunteers for the role. her freedom comes from this.

        Like


      • Pussy is simply a means to an end. It should never be the end.

        I disagree and wrote a blog post about it. Pussy is great end.

        Like


      • Fantastic. At the end of the day, what are you left to show for it?

        Like


      • Fantastic. At the end of the day, what are you left to show for it?

        Happiness and life satisfaction.

        Like


      • If that’s all it takes, then I’m glad for you.

        Like


      • Why would you assume life is so complicated that for most people it would take more?

        Like


      • Because I don’t believe that when you are too old to continue to chase the pussy and you women are no longer with you, that those things will be with you anymore. Now, if you manage to make one of these women your family, then we are talking about living for a different mission than just women a pussy. That can bring lasting happiness and contentment. Women, on their own will not. They won’t stick around for you.

        Like


      • Finally it comes out. You are a family man and a breeder, and believe meaning can only ultimately be found in children.

        Like


      • Oh, and if you are a woman, Stingray, why do you presume to know what can bring lasting happiness to a man? And why do you assume that at some age a man would stop being able to find companionship?

        It’s simply a lie if you think the latter, and foolish to think the former. Women will always bring a man happiness and satisfaction, for a man who knows how to find happiness and satisfaction in women.

        There is no time limit to it. You don’t grow out of it It is always satisfying.

        Like


      • Stingray, I think you are projecting your female agenda of security and commitment onto men.

        Our life is not about security and commitment. We don’t find meaning and lasting satisfaction by following your female imperative.

        Like


      • Who said anything about children? One can have a family without. A man and a woman can be a family.

        Like


      • I know what can bring lasting happiness to a man because when I read greggy’s post I knew he was right. I have been wanting to comment on this very thing for while and it was never appropriate. How do I know he is right? Because of my husband. Now, don’t many believe me here and I don’t much care. However, he is a natural alpha. I asked him. I needed help verbalizing it as I was failing miserably last night as I was trying to explain it. As expected he was able to explain in a few sentences what was taking me paragraphs.

        Why do I think a man might not be able to find companionship past a certain age? Because, eventually, men hit a wall as well and the pickings will decrease. What you will be left with may not bring you the same life satisfaction you now enjoy.

        I’m talking about finding a focus in YOURSELF. Something that is lasting when woman may not be. Making that focus women, without some kind of commitment and expecting that to last until old age is like trying to bottle a rainbow your mission in life. Make a commitment or don’t. Pursue women or don’t. If you find something for just yourself, the women will come as long as it more important than anything else, especially them.

        Like


      • Look, put simply, when you focus on yourself you become the rock that everyone around you clings to for support. You are their strength and their beacon. Women will love you for it and men will respect you.

        When one goes to a party the alpha male in the room is not the one who is surrounded by women, he is the one surrounded by men. The one who commands the respect of everyone in the room.

        It is when you can reach this place, being this rock, that you can truly begin to be the man whom everyone wants to be with as you will simply draw them to you. It does not mean selfishness, either. Being this rock gives one the ability to be there for the people you love in any manner necessary.

        Like


      • So if a guy is already this rock – why not make women his mission in life?

        I agree that girls can be family. My girls nearly always feel like family to me, and consider themselves family.

        Also, at any moment I have the option to keep a girl that I’m dating. Every girl always wants to marry. If that is happening now when I’m mid forties and the girls are early twenties, it will happen for at least 10 more years with girls being the same age up to 30 and for 20 more years with the girls being into their thirties.

        A wall is not an issue for a man who women find charismatic and are attracted to at a deep emotional level. I just isn’t. And at any point such a man can lengthen the number of years per woman, to whatever number he wants.

        Again, this notion you have that a mans mission can’t be relationship is arbitrary. Relationship and sex are a perfectly fine mission. It can work, and it does work. If it works, it works. For men, it works.

        Like


      • I made this related comment on Rollos blog today:

        I like to be a devils advocate on the subject of life’s mission, and being a better well rounded developed man versus focusing on being seductive.

        Some say focus on your life’s mission, and the women will follow – which is a twofer as compared to focusing on women. But that’s a lie. Plenty of people who focus on business or other interests do poorly with women.

        Some say that girls eventually are not satisfying to a man, and he needs other interests to keep his heart warm and his mind engaged. That’s partially true – a man should not rely on women for his intellectual needs. Other than that, if pussy is not satisfying, then the person has a mild case of depression, and can’t find satisfaction in anything. The attitude to life is wrong. Pussy is usually satisfying – humans are built to find it so, unless there is a pathology.

        We find meaning and satisfaction by making it so. People can find meaning and satisfaction in chess, tennis, or meditating by staring at a rug. We can also find it in relationship and pussy. You can make any endeavor interesting and meaningful, and go as deep into it as you care. Pussy and relationship are a fine life mission.

        Yes, you can focus on business, and then use money to get pussy. Or you can focus on pussy, and then use that to get money. However you structure your life doesn’t matter – the point is are you paying attention and getting enjoyment out of it? Are you positively affecting those around you?

        Like


      • “When one goes to a party the alpha male in the room is not the one who is surrounded by women, he is the one surrounded by men. The one who commands the respect of everyone in the room. ”

        I have to disagree a little. I would say humbly that I am that kind of alpha. Not the alphaest alpha, but at least a lesser alpha. I realized that it does not bring pussy. However It does bring the attention of women who seek commitment. So, it does bring vagina sporadically, but not pussy.
        And it doesn’t prevent those same girls who want commitment to have their fun with alphas to women. I said “fuck that”, I don’t want the leftovers of bad boys and players.

        I learned about game, and i switched priorities. Gathering men around me like if i was military leader is not appealing anymore, even if it’s part of me, I still do it. I prefer the company of women, i prefer to see the sparkles of attraction in a group of women who surround me. I will not lie, i’m not very good at it, it’s a very different exercise, even if i succeed sometimes. I’m more successful when i’m talking to one girl at a time.

        Success with women brings something close to happiness. Success with men brings the loneliness of power.

        Historically, your definition of alpha is correct. Biologically, not that much. An alpha is the one who inseminates many women. A beta is the one who takes care of these women and their bastard spawn. This blog rightfully chooses to stick with the biological imperatives, an alpha to men may very well be a beta to women.

        Like


      • A little precision:

        I would have been glad if i could keep the girls that were seeking attention from me. However, even if i was assertive with men, i was a little bitchboy with girls. So they would come around me to gauge my worth, and they used to realize soon that there is nothing that could keep them interested.

        The ideal attitude is to be dominant with men and teasingly dominant with women. That’s what everyone should be longing for.

        Like


      • However you structure your life doesn’t matter – the point is are you paying attention and getting enjoyment out of it?

        excellent post xsplat.

        Like


      • Xsplat,

        So if a guy is already this rock – why not make women his mission in life?

        Being the rock is the mission. Women are secondary. I don’t have a problem with women and sex being part of a so called rock’s life. They are a pleasure to enjoy. I simply don’t believe that one day you will wake up a rock and that’s it. It’s ongoing.

        Like


      • That’s true of all males of every species – the Alpha gets the best females in their prime.

        Like


    • Heartiste wrote: All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy.

      Matador wrote: Men do everything that they do in order to impress women.

      Glad to see the assumption that drives this blog stated categorically (“all” “ultimately” “everything”).

      Also: it’s complete horseshit. It is telling that you have to leave it to Stingray, a woman, to inform you. Though greggy’s paean to self-discipline and freedom is a good assist.

      You gotta serve somebody. “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.”

      Most don’t have a clue which ideal they are serving. You have an advantage being conscious of that which you serve, pussy. (Or that which you have placed “on a pedestal,” if you will.) But you refuse to acknowledge the disadvantages of being servile to so hollow an idol.

      Pussy is candy, a confection, not sustenance. Gorge on sweets and you live in gluttony. It leaves stretch marks on your soul surely as sugar bloats the flesh.

      Anyway, your misplaced loyalties are not that big of a deal: they aren’t as you declare them. And that aside, it’s plainly false to say your low impulses constitute the motivation of an entire sex. Though our sex is defined by certain physical characteristics, it’s a feminist canard to think that the necessary traits defining men as men are also the sufficient ones. There is more that distinguishes man from woman — in manner, in thinking, in behavior — than the imperatives of the cock.

      Game is stuck in neutral because its pioneers think it applies exclusively to their favorite pastimes. Once its practitioners realize (mature into realizing) its universal applicability, we might proceed to greater challenges than how to lift digits from a drunken coed.

      Like


      • Everyone here who is babblingly insisting that “sex is not everything” fails to understand the way men think, to wit:

        It’s not merely the fucking that is so sweet — although fucking done well is sweet indeed — it’s the mastery of the female, that stupidly recalcitrant creature — that fills a man with bliss and contentment.

        That’s the “pussy” we “do everything for.” It’s the *state of mind* that comes from having *engineered* mastery.

        Get it?

        Like


      • You’ll never truly master woman unless you master yourself first; unless you become your focus. And if you are successful with this that mastery of woman that will fill you with such bliss, will never have to be *engineered*.

        Like


      • Wasn’t there something about pretty lies perishing? This is one that needs to perish. And really quickly so. Women do not appear out of nowhere unless you have SUPER high status (think rock stars like status that provides free advertising for you).

        Just being happy with what you do and having a purpose in helps in establishing and projecting a base level of sanity, but won’t make any woman approach you. This whole argument reeks of “build it and they will come” – even if what you build is spectacular, without advertisement nobody will know about it and hence they wont show up.

        How I know? Well let’s just say what I do professionally confers massive status on me with people that know about it and understand it (the six figures salary starting in my mid-twenties is just icing on the cake, really). Trouble is, only a small minority of women is capable of both knowing and understanding without me explicitly telling them (and told DHV is hard to pull off correctly) – the ones who play in the same league.

        Like


      • I am not talking about simply a good job or lots of money. A man could be dirt poor and have what I am trying (obviously not well) to describe. Have you ever seen a man, anywhere, who just oozes masculinity along with a serenity? He likely could not care less what is going on around him and is focused, likely, internally. If you would take a look around most of the women will be looking at him, unconsciously drawn to him (I did not mean women would just start approaching from left and right, simply that they will be drawn in and there for the taking).

        This link does a fair job of describing this self actualization:

        http://personcentered.com/selfact.html

        I don’t agree with all of it but this part was especially good:

        Autonomy, independence of culture and environment. Self-actualizing persons, though dependent on others for the satisfaction of the basic needs of love, safety, respect and belongingness, “are not dependent for their main satisfactions on the real world, or other people or culture or means-to-ends, or in general, on extrinsic satisfactions. Rather they are dependent for their own development and continued growth upon their own potentialities and latent resources.” Combs and Snygg and Rogers include independence in their descriptions, and Rogers also speaks of an internal locus of control.

        It’s not just status or game. I’m not knocking game. It obviously works. I am talking about the next level, one that you do for yourself.

        Like


      • This is utter nonsense, Stingray.

        Whatever works, works.

        Like


      • Obviously, but there is a difference between engineered game and natural game. It might take more time for a woman to figure out which is which, but she will always be more drawn to the man who does not need to engineer it.

        Like


      • Again, more proof by assertion nonsense.

        Internalized game is nothing game that you learn that becomes habit.

        This rock that you speak of is nothing but habits of mind that are learned through life experience. You can become this rock in any number of ways – focusing on personal development is just one such way.

        Like


      • And also, dealing with women IS personal development.

        No matter what you go deeply into can get deep. For sex you can practice daoist inspired tantric chi-kung sex, informed by non-dual meditative insight. Pussy is not a shallow pursuit. For relationship you can explore the depths of love and romance and mind training and interpersonal intrigues. Relationship is not a shallow pursuit.

        Doing ANYTHING well makes you a person of deep abilities.

        Like


      • Internalized game is natural game, xsplat. I would argue that engineered game is not.

        Look, you keep switching back and forth between relationships and chasing tail. These are not the same thing. What is it you are arguing exactly? I believe that one can make a relationship his focus. Full stop. I do not believe the same for chasing tail. Learning “daoist inspired tantric chi-kung sex, informed by non-dual meditative insight” is not the same as having pussy every night. One is simply sex, one could be a life long practice. They are not the same. Chasing pussy is plain and simple, relationships and the tantric sex are not. There is a big difference. I would even argue that this daoist stuff IS personal development. So, it seems we may be in agreement.

        Like


      • We are not in agreement, Stingray. You feel that a mans mission must not be focused on women, as his main mission and his main priority.

        I say yes it certainly can. That’s a fine workable lifestyle and is at least as attractive to women as any other alternative and leads to at least as much happiness as any other alternative.

        A women centered mission works.

        Like


      • Your jumping all over the place, you say relationships, then tantric sex, then tail, then women. These are different things. Some can be focused on and others, I believe, cannot.

        Regardless, I can see that we are going to start a circular argument and I have no interest in that. We are not going to agree and I am finished with this for now. Take care and thank you for the discussion.

        Like


      • Bowing out?

        Are you saying – yes or no – that a man should not make women his central mission?

        All the “jumping around” I’m doing is mentioning different aspects of dealing with the central mission that is women. Fucking, romance, dominance.

        I’m saying a man can make women his central mission in life.

        Agree or disagree?

        Like


      • Xsplat,

        Disagree

        Like


  8. Women are repulsed by anti-game both consciously and sub-consciously.

    Case in point:

    I once met this chick and on the 3 date we had sex and I was too tipsy to drive back home, so I slept at her place. I only had one condom but I initiated the second round of combat in the middle of the night with the intention of pulling out.

    She was on top when I was about to nut and as I started to push her off me, she held on to me with all her strength, so I busted half a nut inside her.

    Scared of any accusations or actual crazy kids, I resorted to calling her (literally) 10 times a day and calling her pet names and all of that anti-game thing. Needless to say, she lost interest in me.

    I told this story to my very naive, current girlfriend and she high-fived me.

    Like


    • Playing Urkel is an impressive mind fuck. More impressive than playing alpha, as playing alpha gets internalized. Playing Urkel is pure acting – pure Machiavelian mind fuckery.

      Like


      • on September 24, 2011 at 2:13 pm Recovering Nice Guy

        Using anti-game to get rid of a chick doesn’t work!

        It *appeared* to work for Mikeraw only because the chick did not think she was pregnant. If she would have been pregnant, the chick would have stuck to him like superglue.

        Should be an axiom: Anti-game won’t get you sex, but it WILL get you responsibilities and dependents.

        It is well known that chicks who are fucking bad boys will fuck one of their nice-guy orbiters if she is suspicious she is pregnant, because the nice guy will lend a hand, and foot the bills. Sounds like a minor win for the nice guy, right? But it isn’t The nice guy will still get minimal sex. Often none at all after the one time.

        Same goes for the nice guy who gets the leftover chick after then end of her glory days on the alpha cock carousel. He will get the walk down the isle. He will get to pay for the stepchildren’s braces. He will get to mow the lawn every weekend. But will he get sex? Maybe a fair amount for the first year. But she will probably tell him that she doesn’t do blowjobs or anal, and omit the fact that she did both of those with every man she has ever been with except him. As soon as all of his responsibilities and dependents become permanent, the sex goes down to zero times per month.

        How do I know this? Combination of being the nice guy described above, and watching the same thing happening to other guys all around me.

        Like


      • Wrong/disagree.

        Anti-game works to deter bitches.

        It’s like fuckin kryptonite to superman. And it WILL work to covertly initiate her to start the breakup process. Before I was studying game I called it “planting a wedge issue.” It’s a great strategy to minimize or eliminate the crying/obsessive-calling/crazy chic bullshit that happens if you pull a hard dump and freeze out.

        Inadvertantly you have demonstarted your lack of experience. Its a burn you had to pay for your step kids braces and live with the knowledge that wifey took lotsa cocka up the poopa shoot. Your friends are betas too.

        Sorry man. Anti-game works to rid of a chic.

        Stupidity and lack of options for pussy gets you punching step kids meal card.

        Like


      • Gonna have to agree with nice guy. In my more beta days, I had 3 drunken night stands with the same chick (dumb & desperate I know), each time I ended up nutting full blast in her. I, being military, and her being a small-town slut with no options, mad her hell-bent on having a baby with me no matter what despite my beggings, pleads, and all out rage at her over the phone to take a morning after pill. They will scheme to have your kid if they can get an easy paycheck & benefits out of it with Uncle Sam’s blessings. Luckily, I had an old good friend from childhood who’s a textbook alpha and a borderline sociopath with women coach me on what to exactly do/say each time to convince her to go down to the clinic with me and have her take the pill and swallow it in front of me.

        I am confident if I was left to my own devices and tried to anti-game my way out of those fuckups with a beta/omega frame, I’d be paying child support out of the ass right now.

        Like


      • How did you manage to convince her?

        Like


      • Perhaps we need to distinguish between women who have been knocked up and ones who have not.

        I have no experience in dealing with getting a woman pregnant. Only 2 particular instances of a pregnancy scare.

        I usually initiate a hard dump/freeze out when nexting a chic. However sometimes that will add more attraction and thus anti-game is useful to kill attraction and interest.

        In the context of the original post, anti-game is a pussy deterrent. However as far as getting out of paying out for an unwanted child….damn…sucks to be you guys.

        Like


      • Dude. I am living proof that anti-game doesn’t work.

        Anti-game *will* get you out of having sex with the chick, but it will *not* get you out of paying her bills.

        This is so clearly true, that I am surprised we are debating it.

        Like


  9. on September 23, 2011 at 2:57 pm The Chrome Microphone

    “let her see your shit-eating smile”

    What’s the difference between this and a cocky shiteating smirk/grin?

    Like


    • Self control. Don’t “let her see it.” Use it at an opportune moment, avoid it otherwise.

      Like


    • Shit-eating grin means you are eating her shit with a smile, i.e., failing shit tests and covering up your failure with transparent bravado. She is dominating you with her demands/criticisms and you are playing the obsequious compliant. It says, “I know you just schooled me and there’s not a damn thing I can do about it, mommy, but here’s an ingratiating sign so that you won’t be even more mad at me.”

      “Shit-eating grin” is often deployed when “cocky smirk” is intended, so there’s confusion. Also, there are plenty of people trying to redefine it, adding to the confusion.

      First hits on Google and YouTube
      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shit%20eating%20grin

      It’s clear to me what its original definition must have been: what a servant does when he is being reprimanded in order not to further upset his master.

      Like


  10. Are you saying that we should say “horse shit” or to not say it.

    This is a painful, important list.
    More please.

    Like


  11. What’s this about touching hair too soon? I sometimes use my fingers to decisively comb a woman’s hair back behind her ear for early kino on a date. I find some excuse for it, usually making fun of her (e.g. checking for grey hair).

    Like


  12. Agree to meet her friends before you have sexed her

    Aren’t you supposed to meet her friends in the process of meeting/knowing her?

    Like


  13. I’ve made breakfast for a girl after the first night.

    It hasn’t burned me yet; probably because I make it clear that I’m making MYSELF some food and she’s welcome to have some IF she wants what I feel like eating.

    Like


    • I agree, this one seems like a pretty weak example of anti-game. I don’t think it’s too harmful. Unless you obviously put *far* more effort into the breakfast than you usually would.

      Also depends whether this is the “first night” you meet her, or the “first night” you sleep with her assuming you’ve already dated her a few times before sleeping with her. If it’s (say) a third date and you sleep with her then I think a home-made breakfast is entirely appropriate, if you’re so inclined.

      Like


      • Not to mention that, in my case at least, it would take more effort on my part to go out and grab breakfast at the local deli than to just make something at home.

        Like


  14. can’t you get away with a lot of this if you simple don’t give a fuck?

    Like


    • also one thing i can’t grasp is how do you present your interests/hobbies/passions without coming off as beta?

      Like


      • Casually. Without going into too much detail. Let her draw it out of you, gradually. And make sure your hobbies are cool.

        For instance, hang-gliding is a pretty cool hobby, but nobody likes to hear someone else talk about their hobbies nonstop. Let it slip that you like to hang-glide, but there’s no need to talk about it unless she asks, because hang-gliding is just one of *many* awesome things you do with your time, right?

        Like


      • If you are higher value or are perceived by the chick to be higher value and she is interested, then she will ask YOU questions.

        From my experience, if you are interacting with a chick and she isn’t asking you questions then she has a low level of interest in you to begin with and this is closely linked to how much value she perceives you to have.

        Some chicks might not ask questions because they are shy/reserved or possibly because they perceive you to be too high for them in value.

        Like


    • No you can’t. We don’t know what you’re thinking. Either your behavior is a turn on or a turn off.

      Like


  15. Nicely detailed and all very, very true.

    Gregg guy is a fine example of an “all love its beautiful and natural and thus can’t be studied”. Brrr!

    Like


  16. “Turn to face her fully as soon as you open a girl. Stay that way while she continues giving you her profile.”

    Very important concept. Angle of facing someone with face, shoulders, and hips, all subtly convey value and investment. Learn to mirror whom you’re talking to, with just a hair less investment than they show. Works wonders.

    Like


  17. on September 23, 2011 at 4:08 pm Too Smart To Fail

    This list should be added to the Commandments of Poon!

    Like


  18. Anti-game is the condition of letting your behavior be directed and determined by girls.

    Positive game is conscious. You *choose* to build comfort or attraction, depending on what you want.

    For a lot of men in our feminized butthexed infantilized culture, anti-game results in the behaviors mentioned above. That list can be multiplied infinitely because it’s the sheer lack of inner direction and discipline that produces it. When you’re not directing yourself, you’re vulnerable to obeying all the groupthink misandry around us. That obedience costs you big-time.

    Get your head in the game, and you don’t need an infinite list of don’ts.

    Thanks for the hat tip, H.

    Like


  19. What about giving her nicknames?
    I love to give nicknames very soon to the girls I meet. Even before I’m fucking them.

    I think it’s alpha when the nicknames are sexy like “Lolita” or even a little depreciating like “my favorite fattie”.

    Like


  20. Heartiste

    Hold in farts around her until your colon bursts.

    THIS is the stumbling block that felled gbfm.

    Like


  21. Shit… booger2forehead. So that’s why I’ve been failing lately. That was my standard opening for the past 2 months. I’d go from the booger-2-4head straight into a rant about the return of the 12th imam. Whew.

    Like


  22. Booger on the forehead sounds like asshole game to me

    Like


  23. on September 23, 2011 at 4:46 pm Obstinance Works

    I’d rather not have AG than have game. I do one thing on this list and that is to laugh at my own jokes especially around bores. I love laughter, but it’s one of the things that I do without thinking the other is smile when a girl compliments me or does something interesting like bend over in front of me.

    Like


  24. I can’t recall doing something on that list recently. Yey me.
    But i used to do at least half of that shit. The wonders of game and the red pill will never cease to amaze me…

    “Sweat profusely from anything other than vigorous exercise, sex or fighting”

    Recalling this hurts. I was a fat fuck (couldn’t-see-my-johnson kind of fat fuck), and that thing was disgusting. I had the nerve to get a girlfriend. She was sweet and all, but i will always remember her look (and other people’s look) when i was sweating without a valid justification. If you got that curse, do as much cardio as you can. It stopped as soon as i started regular cardio, even before the weight loss.

    Like


  25. My Favorites on the list:

    Say crap like “I don’t deserve you” with sincerity.

    —-Wow. wow. haha

    Be a kitchen bitch.

    —-Thats her job. Quit yet bitchen get back to the kitchen? Think I’m mean, shut up and clean…

    Constantly, and insipidly, ask her if she “likes it this way” during lovemaking.

    —-People do this???

    Support feminism. Make a big show of it.

    —–LULZ

    Ingratiate yourself to her. (Example: “Porn is disgusting. I’d never watch it.”)
    Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion.

    —–Hahaha couldn’t agree more. This is pathetic.

    BUT

    Only two i might disagree with

    “Touch her hair too soon.”

    —–Touching a womans hair is a fantastic way to judge if she is ready to be kissed. You can always just go for it, sure, but if she lets you touch her hair she will not deny a kiss 87.3% of the time.

    Also

    “Make breakfast for her after the first night together.” (She has not yet earned your LTR provisions. Buying her breakfast at the local deli is OK.)

    —–I hate spending money. therefor i will cook her breakfast after the first time, to show some aftercare. This is likely to be the last breakfast i will make for her.

    Like


  26. ‘Muck up cold reads until they sound like interrogations.’

    This one really made me laugh. I just imagine a girl with a slowly burgeoning sense of fear thinking ‘get me the f**k out of here!’

    Like


  27. “All men ultimately do everything they do for the pussy. Game merely streamlines the process by dispensing with the proxy inefficiencies.”

    False. Definitely not true. BOYS, not MEN, would do anything for the pussy. I confess that there used to be a period in my life during which I would do anything for the pussy. High level of testosterone explains this pretty well. I estimate this being within a life period from 14 – to 26/7 years old. During this couple of years we (together with my buddies) set a goal of fucking at least 50 beautifull women. We thought that THIS would definitely turn us from boys into MEN. There was no doubt about this one among us, in this time. Then somewhere along the line…something changed. Womne just…lost their importance. So I set up a business, my own company – you know, the ultimate manliness as my generation was told by our daddies – to create someting from nothing and you will be da MAN. I gotta admit that this was/is definitely the thing OF GREATER importance than to fuck women, this is a real fight, this is a tough thing to do, but still…no satisfaction.

    Than, I my late thirties…I turned into spirituality – gnosticism, meditation, meyrink, things far above this humble and primitive existence. There finally has been some satisfaction, some purpose, some mission……

    Anyway, you roissy are doing the great job for beta chumps, I salute to you, man. But I still can not get this one – WHY are women still so important to you? Suppose you´ve fucked your share of gorgeous pussy, what is the reason of doing this over and over again? It is the same stupid story, over and over again, isn´t it? Women are just little children of little significance for a MAN, aren´t they? I will not give ´em a single euro from my hard earned income, single minute of my time, unless they PROVE to me that they are worthy of my time/attention.

    What is the ultimate purpose of our existence on this planet? To fuck some amoral, little child?

    Maybe you guys have bigger problems with women, like we do, I don´t know. I was born/live in the Eastern Europe. I occaisonally travel to your country on business and I gotta admit that your “western” women are behaving like some spoiled little brats. What a mess!! Should some chick form my country behave this way she will have a tough time with us.

    To cut it short, my response to the question “what is antigame” is – to treat women as if they were somehow important for da MAN and HIS mission on this planet. Best wishes roissy.

    Like


    • “But I still can not get this one – WHY are women still so important to you?

      I’ve asked myself and pondered this many times. My answer is this:

      Old and New.

      My guess is its the same for our host and many of the aspiring artists on here: No matter how hot she is, how good the sex is, how well she molds to my life, there is always one constant: she will become old news. Then I will want a new one.

      Like


    • You assume that a man can’t decide for himself to make women his mission.

      Like


    • Read Sperm wars, or The mating mind, or The selfish gene.
      We are biological machines programmed to reproduce. The sole purpose of all existence is to pass our genes to the next generation.
      Heartiste was probably referring to the subconscious motivations of men. Everything we do revolves around pussy. Everything women do revolves around being inseminated by the top dawgs.
      Forget about spirituality when you read this blog. Embrace materialism and cynicism.

      Like


      • on September 24, 2011 at 5:21 pm So, Do the Zonk

        “Forget about spirituality when you read this blog. Embrace materialism and cynicism.”

        Not necessary. The sound realism, proven usefulness and practical wisdom on this blog can be learned and used and enjoyed without rejecting spirituality, or necessarily embracing materialism and cynicism.

        Realism takes in all of reality. Cynicism and materialism are as false as naiveté and childishness. Find the balance.

        That said, as a culture we have gone so far into the jungle of “pretty lies” and obviously false fantasies and propaganda about men and women and wha they really are, and what really works for them, that the jeering, sarcastic and sometimes bitter nihilism on this blog are like a strong medicine to wake us up and cure us of delusions — primarily by making us laugh in recognition of true things no one has dared to say out loud in a long, long time.

        But, you do not have to stop at cynicism.

        Like


      • Yeah. Go absorb “Sperm Wars” and Dawkins and you’ll start regurgitating inanities like “Everything we do revolves around pussy. … Embrace materialism and cynicism.” In other words, you get what you pay for, you are what you eat. Chow on the intellectual equivalent of junk food, and you’ll get flabby. Works for Matador.

        For everybody else who isn’t so credulous and morose, read Callicles’s dialogue with Socrates in Plato’s Gorgias. Or the mastery of logos over thymos and eros in The Phaedrus and The Republic.

        Or Aristotle’s discussion of self-indulgence and temperance in The Nicomachean Ethics, Book VII, chapter 5.

        Game is all just ephemeral noise if you lack self-discipline. A life dedicated to chasing vag is the elevation of a base instinct to philosophy, the worship of undiscipline. Internet love gurus talk about eating right and staying in shape to retain one’s edge in the field, and good for them — but then they grab the first snake-oil hermeneutics they see to ground their strategies in “philosophy.” When all of the tactics and trickery fall away, they are left gazing into the abyss at their feet, and forums like these devolve into the inane chatter of evangelists for nihilism, like Matador.

        Evolutionary scientism is the bottom of the epistemological food chain, gamers. Anyone exposed to concepts greater than the intellectual equivalent of a Newsweek article knows how flimsy and unreliable its claims are. An epistemology based on control and experiment — the scientific method — is by definition falsifiable in the very next observation and therefore fundamentally unstable (and evo psych isn’t even that; it’s modern phrenology). Didn’t some dork at CERN nearly upend Einstein by forgetting to carry the one the other day?

        Everyone has a faith. Matador’s (and Roissy’s) faith is that Richard Dawkins is carrying the one in all of his “scientific” calculations, calculations that steal the good name of “science” to dignify simple prejudice. And it’s a stupid prejudice at that, one that insists without evidence we all must “embrace cynicism” rather than attempt an inquiry that grown-ups have employed since ancient Athens.

        No matter — earnest students of game with a head on their shoulders will run up against the limits and tire of the false promise, just like greggy. Who would’ve thought there was another red pill to swallow? We’re not caught in The Matrix so much as we are rising up out of Inception.

        Like


      • Queen B,

        Profound, in big word rhetoric you are. I suggest you read Anal Blonde Sluts 2, Cum Guzzler’s Galore and See Spot Run for further contrast and analysis regarding your opposition.

        Perhaps you need a break from over zealous thesaurus study?

        Let’s simplify your reply:
        I disagree with Matador and ch. Using greggy as an example, he has realized there is more to being a MAN than just getting lots of good tastin’ well behavin’ and clean shavin’ pussy. I think so too. Being a MAN isn’t just about ravishing hot fresh vagina, it’s about philosophy, religion and big words and stuff. 😀

        (Sorry, I threw in a few adjectives for our readers entertainment value.)

        If you really had the mastery of game that you imply, to which you feel elevated enough to piss on game as if its a “false promise” to use your phrase, then why don’t you have amazing sex with a hot new 10 every month for one year? Catalog all tactics and results, then report back here and explain why getting amazing pussy isn’t all its cracked up to be.

        Should you really have the skill set to pull this off, (which you don’t), you wouldn’t be so angry and spiteful of those who study, apply and share the knowledge of game.

        Perhaps your “limit” was one of self dissapointment and failure. Is your wife fat?

        Like


      • “it’s a stupid prejudice at that, one that insists without evidence”

        Full stop. Evo psych and evo bio are not a bunch of baseless speculations. They are heavily supported by computational genomics. You constantly preach to forget about science for a while, and focus on literature, philosophy and poetry. You’re right, and there is no doubt that your references are valuable, but someone who reads this blog and the comment sections needs to at least be informed of the scientific undercurrents of Game.
        The commenters who constantly repeat “I don’t think like that, girls are secondary to me”, “I find more pleasure in developing my business, my manliness”, “how can you make pussy the center of your world”… are obviously misinformed about what Heartiste is talking about.

        I grant you that self-discipline is not an empty concept, regardless of the religeous motivations that push you to emphasize it.

        I was merely trying to put what Heartiste said into perspective. You cannot fully grasp the concepts developed on this blog if you did not taste the “junk food”. I was merely preaching for a stop by Mickey D’s once in a while.

        Like


      • Ripp’s and Matador’s honest (if pointlessly aggressive) misunderstanding is an opportunity to clarify some things.

        “Profound, in big word rhetoric you are,” croaks the swamp jedi. I’m not sure how far I’ll get dialoguing with a bad imitation of Yoda, but here we go:

        “Perhaps you need a break from over zealous thesaurus study?”

        There is no surer sign of ineptness and insecurity than fixating on another’s advanced vocabulary — and considering it criticism.

        “…you feel elevated enough to piss on game as if its a ‘false promise’ to use your phrase….”

        Obviously I don’t consider game to be “a false promise.” I wouldn’t be trying to translate difficult concepts into its immature patois if I did. I consider game grounded exclusively in evolutionary psychology to be a false promise and therefore of limited utility. Modern phrenology like evo psych allows its shamans to essentially make stuff up and call it “science” so long as they sufficiently obscure their theorizing.

        If Plato and Aristotle aren’t your bag, try these. They might speak to you more colloquially:

        http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-24.html
        http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-31.html

        Like


      • Could you summarize your screed into a short paragraph? I couldn’t get through it.

        Basically you are saying that the mental life is superior to the life of the senses, is that it?

        Like


      • Happy to summarize:

        “Get fucked, ADD retard.”

        Like


      • Ok, I just got fucked.

        Now, are you saying, yes or no, that the mental life is superior to the life of the senses? Do you have a point, and is that it? If that is not it, what is your point?

        Like


      • …someone who reads this blog and the comment sections needs to at least be informed of the scientific undercurrents of Game.

        This idea is harmless. Having a grounding in deceptive fundamentals is better than never thinking about those fundamentals at all. It certainly will help newbies translate the scientistic noise into something practical. But those “undercurrents” are a trickle compared to the vast subterranean oceans of philosophy that give power and context to scientific observation.

        There is a difference between science and scientism. Science is falsifiable (Popper); inductive (Hume); a process of control, experiment, and observation (Bacon). Scientism is the faith that science adequately encompasses the entirety of knowledge and therefore can pronounce authoritatively on every subject in the universe. But some subjects, particularly those touching human behavior, do not yield to a process of experiment and observation. Science is excellent for, say, predicting the Newtonian movement of matter through space, but, as Einstein’s relativity showed, even Newton’s “laws” are only conditionally reliable. Science is far less adequate informing us the best way to live, the origin of our instincts, the motivations of women — at least with anything near the same degree of precision. So worshiping a faulty hermeneutics like scientism quickly devolves into “cynicism” and “materialism.”

        If you can’t get through that paragraph, you’ll be jousting with phantoms (“religion and big words and stuff”) and missing my point. That’s fine. Our disagreement is at the margins. But the margins occasionally come into play.

        I grant you that self-discipline is not an empty concept, regardless of the religeous [sic] motivations that push you to emphasize it.

        And this is where the margins come into play. My advocacy for self-discipline is not grounded in “religious motivations.” I cited ancient pagans, not Ss. Paul and Augustine (though I could). I make frequent reference to the most famous atheist in history, Friedrich Nietzsche. The inescapable need for self-mastery is grounded in natural law, in my immediate experience, and in the reliable, hard-nosed wisdom of the most practical of philosophers, Aristotle. “Know thyself” and “The unexamined life is not worth living” are Socratic observations, not Christian directives.

        You don’t have to be classically educated to be a student of game. I am not engaged in a pissing contest over who can cite the most obscure philosophy, though I can understand why the untutored would see it that way. I am saying there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your evo psych scientism. I am testifying independently to the truth of game based in higher sources than are apparently available to you. When those sources come in conflict, I spell out the cause of the disagreement.

        And we apparently disagree about the importance of self-discipline and the origin of a man’s proper motivations. I connect the one to the other and discover that our various differences are caused by one large difference (or “undercurrent”), which you can’t be bothered examining.

        But my point is, those of us who do examine it, we who do take the inquiry down to first principles, are not somehow betraying the precepts of game, advocating cryptofeminism, keyboard jockeying, or spouting high-minded overeducated nonsense. We are maturing game, making it more sturdy, less random, more reliable. There are easily avoidable reasons why game breaks down, and it is destined to break down given a reliance on a set of certain assumptions, your faith in their indomitable power notwithstanding. My aim is to see it never break down. It doesn’t for me. It shouldn’t for anyone.

        “You cannot fully grasp the concepts developed on this blog if you did not taste the ‘junk food’. I was merely preaching for a stop by Mickey D’s once in a while.”

        Well, I’m talking to you, aren’t I?

        Criticizing the pursuit of pussy above everything else is not criticizing the pursuit per se (“Maybe you’re a homo” — Anonymous). We criticize your thoughtless elevation of it to an idol, a religion which makes everything in your life dependent on its perfection. That’s a thin membrane over the abyss, leading you and the Chateau to occasionally fall yowling into a pointless and counterproductive advocacy of nihilism.

        You are allergic to religion — I get that. But McPhilosophy gluttons are more faithful to a nothing than any pew-bored parishioner is to a something. They are such zealots for the faith, in fact, that they find heresy in and seek excommunication of anyone who deviates slightly from the creed.

        Like


      • Am I the only person here who tries to understand what King A is saying, but comes up with a blank?

        Honestly King, I understand your words, I understand your sentences, and I understand your paragraphs, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

        Like


      • In a nut shell, King A is saying that game is a good place for one to start, but it cannot be all encompassed by evo psych. There are far more things out there (Aristotle, Socrates, Nietzsche) that can vastly open up game even more. Do not depend on one scientific claim to base all of your game on, especially when science is often very lacking in human behavior.

        With this further understanding of what game is (or could be) it will make game more reliable and more internal (if not “natural”). Don’t make evo psych, or any one thing your religion when it comes to game. It is much more than just one thing, expand your knowledge and make an attempt to *know* them all.

        This is it in a very small nutshell (BTW, he does a far superior job explaining what I failed to in our discussions). Read it again with this in mind as it is very comprehensive.

        King A If I did you a disservice here, I apologize. I just tried to break down it down into very basic points. Please feel free to fix anything I may have said wrong.

        Like


      • Xsplat,
        Come on dude. His point is rather clear. It’s always interesting to read King A, even if we don’t have to agree. And big words are fun to read.

        King A,
        You have the rock solid composure and the deep beliefs that help you to accept and deal with female nature. What you’re lacking is anger.

        I agree with you that there is more into life than endless streams of fresh pussy.. I think everyone agrees. Look at the endless debates about politics on this same blog.
        Even our prophet Mystery (pbuh) agreed that pussy is not enough. Health and wealth are necessary too (in order to get pussy? that’s another debate).
        To the list of ingredients of life, you’re adding mastery of the senses, blossoming of the virtues, clearheadedness about the civilizational challenges, empathy, transcendence…

        We could have joined you in this quest… if we believed that the women we could love were worth it. See, most readers here are romantics at heart, who had the (mis)fortune to see through the ugly female hindbrain machinations. Actually, the societal changes left us with no choice but to unrevel these unconvenient truths, and this blog seems to gather them all.
        The old patriarchal system, of which you could have been one of the strong keepers, had the merit to hide these ugly truths from honourable men. Without faith in women, without faith in the potential mother of their children; many men lose interest in the great purposes that you want them to pursue. We may pursue great achievements, but only in a selfish fashion in order to feed our basal instincts.

        And you have to acknowledge that religion is the only component of your id that prevents you from joining us in this celebration of nihilism. Even if you cite Nietzsche, there is nothing more powerful than this strong faith in “something else”, to contain your anger at the imperfections of life.

        You’re certainly gonna reply with something along the lines of “a woman is only a remora to your ship”, “they are only children that don’t deserve your serious consideration”… True, but if only women were worth it. If only.

        Like


      • I’m not pretending to be obtuse. I like many of Kings posts. Sometimes I find them clear and insightful, sometimes I don’t get his point. And even wonder out loud if he has one. Sometimes all I get from his posts are a vague moralizing idea that there is a good life that us heathens are not properly focusing on. And more than a hint of arrogance about the superiority of his philosophical stance. A stance I don’t find particularly interesting or deep.

        It’s not that I’m disinterested in philosophy – I’ve spent decades going deeply into meditation and philosophy. It was a full time job for an important part of my life, and a full time pre-ocupation for another good part.

        I just don’t find his conclusions to be as profound as he thinks they are. Nor explained well. It’s a lot of presumption about what is good, with little attempt to posit reasons why. Perhaps because he knows reason can’t posit reasons why things are good. And while evo-psych can explain the evolutionary advantages of morals and that they are mere happenstances of biology, he discounts the ability of evo-psych to do just that.

        ********

        During a long dry spell in my twenties I focused on personal development. The thinking was, build it, and they will come.

        Bullshit. Utter bullshit.

        What I need was game. To get that job done, I needed the correct tool to get that job done.

        This blog is a tool to do a job. It isn’t a blog about how to be the ultimate all around uberman superman.

        Like


      • Matador wrote: And you have to acknowledge that religion is the only component of your id that prevents you from joining us in this celebration of nihilism.

        Not at all. You can’t live as a consistent nihilist. Every part of us rebels against the idea, every day, in everything we do.

        People who are ignorant of religion insist we faithful pursue it merely to fill the hole in our souls. That’s not a commentary on our holiness so much as your holeyness. Speak for yourself, brother. Religion is a discipline, and above all, a practical discipline that helps one discern what is and is not worth chasing in these short couple decades of existence. You have no idea what is pulling your strings. Hence the wide-eyed credulity over comic-book theologies like evo psych.

        You have the rock solid composure and the deep beliefs that help you to accept and deal with female nature. What you’re lacking is anger.

        I have anger. But I sublimate it into something useful. Putting pussy on a pedestal is not useful.

        You can worship Pussilaya, and go spelunking deep into the gaping gash of nihilism. I’ll be over here making her my bitch.

        Like


      • King A,

        The circumlocutory vernacular of your postings are eloquent, yet grossly unnecessary to communicate your point- thus materializing into “spouting high-minded overeducated nonsense” (your exact phrase.)

        “I consider game grounded exclusively in evolutionary psychology to be a false promise and therefore of limited utility.”

        Understood. See how easy that was to convey? One sentence. Now as I facetiously alluded to in my last reply, and based on your supposed higher states of conscience than just deriving game from Evo Psych: Enlighten us.

        From your other schools of learning and influence, what successful game tactics, strategies, real life examples have you ‘successfully’ executed to consistently bed beautiful women? And to be clear, I am referring to women that are *physically* attractive (25yrs or less, pretty face, small waist, round plump ass, round plump boobs) of SMV 9 or higher to use the common lingo.

        In all seriousness, care to share?

        P.S. My instinct suggests you have had very limited (if any) success with seducing women of the above description. A common pattern I see here at CH: Those who are angered by the knowledge exposed here work hard to rationalize their disgust with it. I could be wrong about you though. Am I?

        Like


      • On the one hand, Ripp, you want me to reduce everything to fit inside a fortune cookie. On the other hand, you demand to be “enlighten[ed].”

        When I say “game grounded exclusively in evolutionary psychology [is] a false promise” some assume I am transmitting religious superstition. When I explain why it’s not religious superstition, and why it is essential to the longevity of game — a concept difficult to express from a standing start and requiring some length — you consider it “grossly unnecessary to communicate [my] point.”

        Whatever. I’ve been communicating in this medium long enough to understand the contradictory demands of the attention-deficient. My posts are no longer than the blogger’s, who typically takes a thousand words to express a pretty untruth and lard it with all kinds of false support.

        I’ve also been around this medium long enough to realize how stupid it is to argue from reputation (or ethos). Proof of deeds and credentials of accomplishment are all ultimately dependent on the pseudonymous writer’s word anyway. What do you want? Lists, names, dates, phone numbers? An oath sworn on a Bible with video testimony? I’m past the ledger-filling stage of self-esteem puffery, and I will do nothing to compromise my quasi-anonymity. The littlest dicks always want to start a pissing contest.

        Take my argument (logos) at face value. Or leave it. Enjoy your “instinct” and all the self-fulfilling “conclusions” you derive from it. When you spar with straw men I couldn’t care less, it doesn’t bother me. But it should bother you: it keeps you out of fighting trim.

        Wait. Son … is that you? I might be your dad. Is that what this is all about? Were you born in the mid-90s? Was your mom one of those hypergamous sluts you have dedicated your life to despising and revenging? That would explain a few things.

        Like


    • Maybe you’re a homo

      Like


    • on September 25, 2011 at 8:43 am Obstinance Works

      I occaisonally travel to your country on business and I gotta admit that your “western” women are behaving like some spoiled little brats. What a mess!! Should some chick form my country behave this way she will have a tough time with us.***

      You make this statement then ask why this is so important?

      Like


    • Completely agree. Its the women who must find dick, and for many reasons.

      Men can go on a 20 year vision quest doing nothing but drinking pine needle tea, and eating snow hare,but still populate a village when he gets back. Thus the first reason is women don’t have that kind of time.

      Another reason is that women are the bottleneck and nature demands full participation. Men can drive the race forward far beyond the act of reproduction.

      Like


  28. wow, that was a painful trip down memory lane

    Like


  29. Am now in a game struggle with the girl I’ve been seeing for 8 months.

    There is a middle ground. It’s the standing firm and keeping your cool but doing what you want.

    One beta thing I’ve found myself doing is calling her annoying. This has the impact of only emboldening her. It’s like a badge of honour for a girl to be called annoying. I have to hold back…

    She was doing all the shit-tests, showing up late, pouting etc etc.

    So I replied by planning a trip without her, then called up and said “I’m going away…..”

    When she asked why I wasn’t taking her, I said I wanted to “hang out”.

    She went mental and it digressed into a series of shit-tests and pouting.

    Some of what she said:

    Her: Why didn’t you ask me about going?

    Me: I don’t need your permission.

    Her: But you need to ask me…

    Me: We went to that concert last time, I did ask, all you did is complain, so figured you’d be bored and wouldn’t want to go.

    That was about as Beta as I got….the other things….

    Her: You’re supposed to make me happy.

    Me: I’m not a concierge.

    Her: I’m going away next weekend.

    Me: Cool. Have fun….

    It went on like that. Bottom line, she’s pissed I’ve asserted myself.

    Sure there were some beta things in there. But overall, I stuck to my position.

    Girls hate this.

    Then she brought up all this stuff about other girls approaching me.

    I agreed and amplifiied.

    But you don’t have to yell or make a scene. Just stand your ground.

    Just do something like go away and don’t apologize for it….

    However, I can see that this girl is very spoiled and used to guys caving in to this behaviour.

    I think game in theory means being conscious of what you say. Saying it cooly but assertively and not caving in.
    I

    Like


    • For new-to-game types like me agree-and-amplify coupled with a cocky attitude is a good way to begin to learn the art of shit-test deflection. Totally counter-intuitive (at least to me) but the results speak for themselves.

      Like


    • on September 25, 2011 at 9:29 am Obstinance Works

      This good advice, but difficult. This morning became a big pissing contest here. Wish I would have been more indifferent.

      Like


  30. Ha, I lol’ed while reading this.

    Like


  31. on September 23, 2011 at 10:27 pm BRUNHILDE FAN #1!!

    LOL YAY GO BRUNHILDE!!!

    Like


  32. Heartiste,

    “Be hopelessly indecisive.”

    I might add that this strategy is great for keeping a girl hanging on, once she is already hooked. The “Will he? Won’t he?” games going on in her head will leave no energy for any decisive action on her part.

    Or is the above different from push/pull?

    Like


  33. How do you generate attraction when you dont feel emotional attraction for the person, and how do you do it when your conversation turns boring?

    I’m in uni and I’ve overcome my approach anxiety, but I often cant 1. attract girls and 2. find attractive things in them (qualify them). I have no problem with talking to anyone, guy or girl, very hot girl etc but my interactions are often really boring.

    I’m calling bullshit on those who advocate pure inner game. Its what I’m doing and its not working mainly because I dont have any attractive things about myself to talk about apart from the fact I (want to) host house parties and I like to lift. I got over approach anxiety by talking to a lot of people and putting very little effort into conversations, also when girls flaked on me I put less and less effort into conversations. But now if I want to DHV it involves effort on my part and for me that means investing. I have to turn to outer game now for attraction routines and crap because I have nothing interesting to say. Many girls in uni are fucking boring – if I dont put any effort into the conversation, the conversation is dead. All the effort is on my part and because I’m low energy, laconic and deadpan, often nothing exciting happens unless I make it.

    Like


    • Some suggestions and feedback:

      1) There is a substantial ‘work’ component to game. Many don’t acknowledge this. There are tedious and uneventful things you will have to do to get the pussy. Learn some gambits and routines, practice them, modify/adapt them to your personality to become congruent. Its work man. Bottom line.

      2) Low T or low sex drive? I’m not patronizing just curious if this is part of your issue. For me, if I see a smoking hot bitch with a round ass and small waste and pretty face, I’ll fucking talk to her about steamy dog shit on the morning grass to start the seduction process: I’m fucking horny! Maybe look at your diet? I take some suppliments and eat very healthy. Try not having sex or jerking off for 2 weeks or more, a month if you can do it. That will be some healthy biological motivation to talk to bitches.

      3) find a good friend to work with on this shit. Critique each other. Set simple yet attainable goals. Approach 1 set a day for a positive exchange. Then step it up: 2 sets per day, opening/attraction only. Then 3 sets a day, go for # close. You get the idea.

      4) read about body language, non-verbal communication.

      Its not going to change overnight. If you always do what you’ve always done…you’ll always get what you’ve always got.

      Good luck man.

      Like


      • 1. Yes, I’m looking to Outer Game now, and to making and internalizing some attraction routines.

        2. Incredibly high sex drive. If I dont jerk off when I’m horny I get very angry and cant read a textbook.

        4. My BL is fine.

        My main issue is that I hate putting in effort for boring girls. I’ll reach a middle ground; I’ll put some effort into finding routines or ways to get the girl to invest, then I’ll put those routines in use without effort or investment from myself.

        Like


    • on September 24, 2011 at 6:02 am The Chrome Microphone

      You sound like you need more inner game

      Do the shit that you’re interested in and improve yourself generally

      The stories, interesting shit and friends in invite to house parties will come

      You need to invest to reap dividends

      Who’s going to carry a conversation when the approacher can’t be arsed

      Like


    • Did you read the mystery method or magic bullets? Do you really read this blog?
      I mean, i can understand that some guys have difficulties in the beginning of the learning process. I struggled with a lot of game components for a long time. And even now, after four years, my game is not as sharp as i want it to be.
      But if you don’t notice any improvement at all, it means that you don’t understand the basics of game. If a girl flakes and you have no idea why, it means that you have pedestalizing issues/lack of social dynamics awareness.

      “Many girls in uni are fucking boring”

      Really? How long did it take you to figure that out? Girls are inherently boring. They may become exciting if YOU are exciting.
      If you let a girl lead (or even be your equal) in the conversation, you will end up discussing HER boring stuff, and she will interpret that as YOU being boring. Take the lead of the convo. If you are really boring, prepare canned material. Don’t smile too much or be try-hard funny, don’t be too laconic if you are not James Bond.

      I don’t know, keep reading the references of the seduction community, follow Ripp’s advice, practice not randomly but with purpose and preparation. You gotta improve somehow.

      Like


  34. I once read about a couple seeking to adopt a child from a pregnant woman. To do so, they had to write a letter to the mother explaining why they wanted a child and how they would raise it.

    The couple was stymied to write something good, until it was suggested by the adoption agency to first write the worst letter possible–the opposite of a good letter. This helped them to break the writer’s block, and working off the bad letter, composed a good one.

    This is something to keep in mind in game, and other areas; if you’re stuck on what to do, think of the absolute worst things you could do, and then do the opposite.

    Seinfeld had an episode about this. George Costanza, the loser on the show, decided that since every instinct he’d ever had was wrong, he would now do the opposite of everything his instincts told him to do. Soon, George had a hot girlfriend who was madly devoted to him and a great job.

    So in game and in life, if you’re stuck on what to do, think “what would an absolute wreck of a man do here?” or “what would be the worst thing to do here?” and then do the opposite. Chances are, you’ll figure out the best thing to do by seeing why the wrong things are so wrong.

    Like


  35. Everyone here needs to read some Charles Willeford.

    Start with “The Shark Infested Custard.”

    Like


  36. good post.

    for women:

    -be over 25 (focus on your career while waiting)
    -enjoy the sunshine naturally, without applying toxic chemicals on your skin
    -don’t be “anorexic” (“men love curves!”)
    -be slutty (use alcohol to suppress your common sense)
    most important: have shitty DNA

    Like


    • on September 24, 2011 at 11:30 am The Lolz of Physics

      Anti-game for the 5% allotted to personality:

      – Bitch constantly about his hobbies as you sit on your ass watching reality TV and soaps
      – Complain when he shuts off Miley Cyrus and replaces it with Kraftwerk
      – Nitpick about the choice he made while you were indecisive for twenty minutes.

      Like


    • -dress like you shop and live at walmart
      -have tangly and ratty hair
      -have yellow teeth
      -don’t shave your pussy
      -snort when you laugh
      -have dog shit breath from talking too much about stupid shit
      -talk too much about stupid shit
      -talk about how you are healthy, but you are soft, don’t excercise, smoke cigarettes, eat fast food, drink excessively
      -be too lazy to get dolled up for your man, or when trying to meet men
      -stink
      -chew with mouth open
      -sop up attention from fat worthless beta and omega guys to try and stroke your ego in front of alpha men
      -have a stinky pussy
      -engage in sex and have toilet paper stuck to your nasty pussy and asshole, or worse still on the rag

      I’ll think of more later…

      Like


  37. Do whatever chicks say they want… self-defeatingly beta enough in this case.

    Like


  38. “What Is Anti-Game?”

    Fear.

    Like


  39. […] Heartiste has a very impressive list of anti-game moves. It hurts to see so many I’ve been guilty of in the past (and ones I still […]

    Like


  40. Lolerz! you are a Beta chump thinking that
    A) you have game
    B) guys who follow you make you an alpha
    C) ridiculing what you call “beta” is “alpha”

    I think there are different types of game. I, have natural game and don’t have to show it off. This crap you PUA and other associated lower/middle class ninnies have going on is a laughable joke!

    I have had women all my life offer themselves to me. No self respecting guy wants a weak women to use her vagina as his plaything. I don’t have sex with random women (anymore), I don’t pick up women I don’t know, and I don’t act like I know everything like you do.

    But, I have pulled down some of the finest specimens of females on the planet and turned down many more (in my past)…

    The only true, universal, and un-attainable (by your lower class readers) is, you can’t have me game. Because 99% of women aren’t worth my time, nor wasting sex with.

    PS Also, nothing pisses off a female or makes her more confused in this society than saving your ejaculation during sex.

    PPS Most of the idoiotic footstools who follow you around on this site are pumping my gas, taking out the trash, or playing wow. I call that alpha by proxy. A true, dye in the wool “alpha” has other alphas commending him on his alphaness. You would know this if you were a true alpha.

    But you aren’t. Full stop.

    [Heartiste: Proof by assertion is no way to go through life, son. And neither is unintentional irony.]

    Like


    • no true scotsman…

      Like


    • on September 25, 2011 at 7:26 am A hard reign held up by rage

      Andrew probably does have a point when he is talking about “you cant have me game”.

      When I was a natural (before I slipped into betadom) I rejected girls left right and centre, all day. I actually rejected sex from hot girls – 9’s and 10’s, all because I wanted to save my virginity for a girl who I loved who met my standards (personality standards, not looks standards). I’m pretty sure thats what made other hot girls want me even more.

      Its interesting to talk about this because a PUA would never ever use “reject sex” game because… well, its self explanatory. Sex is the point of game for PUAs.

      It also exposes the reality that evolutionary pschology and evolutionary biological really isnt a deterministic, definitive thing, and that human mating rituals are strongly influenced by culture.

      [Heartiste: Human mating *rituals* may be strongly influenced by culture (like all such rituals), but the response of women to your playing hard-to-get was not. That was hard-wired deep in the seat of their brains.]

      That males are designed by biology and psychology to proliferate their seed is probably the most important drive in the male sex, but, as evidenced in my case, that push to inseminate females is not always completely realized – I rejected it. You could call that a failure of my evo-psych and biological nature because of the influence of my (Christian) nurture.

      The exact same thing happens when women get LMR. In general, the more LMR a woman has, the more slut shaming our society has – the modern pua, pulling girls from clubs puts Casanova and his letters to shame. The enviro-cultural influence is important.

      Like


  41. Touching hair?? That is on the list? When a girl has long hair, it’s kind of inevitable. Certainly not a trait that would send alarm bells.

    Surely, you want to minimise ‘putting up with shit’ or rather ‘dealing out shit’ from both sides?

    Like


  42. Off-Topic: If you’re ever in the need to think unsexy thoughts to kill a boner…

    (slightly NSFW)

    http://yfrog.com/16d2cj

    Like


  43. Ladies and betas, listen closely:

    Like


    • Hilariously comment to that story:

      “Christ, can you get that fat ugly cow off of your main page. I’ve date a fatty before, and I can tell you that between the sweaty folds of their pussy is a smell like 12 year old limbergher cheese. Just gross.”

      Like


  44. Never ask her a question…”

    Maybe I’m thinking too practically, but how would that even work? How can you NOT ask someone a question….ever?

    And what type of questions are we talking about here?

    Like


  45. I got 2 numbers tonight, lolzolzlolzzzlolzlzlzlzl.

    The one, she gave me while her chubby beta boyfriend was sitting next to her, but paying attention to the game on tv. Dumbass.
    The other, a blond with brown eyes, told me that she has a boyfriend, but still goes out.

    Like


  46. getting buttthurt in reaction to anything a chick does
    = huge antigame

    Like


  47. I think this is ill-named. The mangina-ish examples are merely a complete lack of game. Anti-Game is the defence a woman might put up to avoid being gamed.

    Like


  48. Good post, helpful break down of anti-game for men and women.

    It might sound nice to tell a woman you miss her, and once or twice is ok but pushing it. Too with the “i love you, I miss you,” etc. Is incredibly cringe worthy and BETA. When you miss someone in romantic terms, you don’t need to say that sort of thing to her. It is too emo even for this lady. It is the ladies job to be beta and say things like, “I miss you, where have u been,” etc….

    Moving on….

    Stingray is just fine here – a married couple are a family, a team, etc. I am not seeing how one has to have children to create a family centric life with their spouse. Children sometimes arrive and sometimes do not, arrive, the couple has a bond to maintain regardless of what life throws at them.

    Like


  49. on September 25, 2011 at 11:14 am Proud-to-be-an-Omega-Male

    I hate how fat bitches think they’re all that. I’m sick and tired of being put down by some trash talking fat bitch and being unable to defend myself because so many assholes will do anything to stick their dicks into some large fat ass. Fat bitches suck. I hate fat bitches. I wish guys would stop putting fat bitches on pedestals.

    Like


    • I wish guys would stop putting fat bitches on pedestals.

      i can’t seem to find pedestals strong enough to hold them up. where do you buy yours?

      Like


  50. “”Anti-game, by the way, is a great method for manipulating a girl to break up with you so you don’t have to do the dirty work.””

    Have been thinking about this as I basically waiver on breaking up with my gf who’s endless shit-testing and crying is driving me mental.

    But it begs the question…isn’t anti-game by its very definition “beta”?

    Shouldn’t the alpha never worry about doing the ‘dirty work’?

    I’ve got a lot of this down…spinning plates, gamed several women successfully…but breaking up….is not easy.

    I need some tips/guidance on this and anti-game would hurt my own inner game.

    Like


  51. on September 25, 2011 at 4:36 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozozlzlzlzolzzlzl

    roisisisy heatriste eartistse!!! i think i chahad some ideas about wodrds you smisspleeeled–here ya go1!!! zlozlzlzl
    Here are some more anti-game behaviors and traits, from a pickup and LTR perspective:

    Constantly remind your urinal how happy you are to be with it.
    Laugh at your own jokes while at the urinal.
    Laugh uproariously at the urinal “jokes”.
    Feed the urinalsss need for gossip.
    Put up with shit in the urinal lzozlzl an order of magnitude more frequently than it puts up with your shit. (lzozo do you ever shit in a urinal? so why shold you llok at someoeme else’ss shit?) zllzzo
    Ask yes or no or one-word answer type questions to the urinal.
    Act contrite when she catches you checking out the urinal’s porcelain spcuplture lzozlz.
    Stare, look away, stare, look away, stare, look away while you whizzzz lzozl.
    Ask the urinal if she has a condom.
    Cuddle the urinal so long that she is the one to first start wriggling free.
    Hold in farts while peeing i the urinal until your colon bursts. (LTR applicable only.)
    Fidget, talk fast, mumble, lean in, babble tiresomely like a girl who has a heavy emotional burden to unload while you peeeeeee
    Talk incessantly about the state of the relationship to the urinal.
    Whine about how hard life is to the urinal.
    Betray too much enthusiasm when the urinal tells you about something cool she did.
    Act impressed with the urianals educational credentials or career success.
    Sympathize with the urinal bitching about badboy exes. a urinal has taken lotsas cockas peeing on it, likemodern day american woman, so it will also bitchcc about hiss lzozlzlz.
    Agree to her tacit peee timetable. (A urinal is capable of making you wait for months absent any masculine push on your part. Ironically, this very acquiescence to her female sensibility will turn her off to sex with you.)
    Get wrathfully jealous every time the urinal out a dude or opens its piss pot 4 another guy.
    Spitefully berate teh urinal’s genuine accomplishments.
    Say crap like “I don’t deserve you” with sincerity as you peeeee.
    Be a kitchen bitch.
    Drop everything you like to do to do everything a urinal likes to do. (Man, I know a lot of guys like this. Sickening.)
    Wanly smile when the urinal denigrates you to her urinal freinds.
    Make videos like this. (Suffice to say, this nauseating beta dweeb did not win his ex back, muscles and looks to the contrary notwithstanding.)
    Resort to saying “I suppose you’re right” every time the urinal accuses you of some character defect.
    Constantly, and insipidly, ask her if she “likes it this way” during peeing.
    Forget the art of plain old pissisisnsisisisng lzozllzlz.
    Turn to face her fully as soon as you open a girl. Stay that way while she continues giving you her urinal profile.
    Buying urinals drinks as a MEANS OF OPENING THEM.
    Muck up cold reads until they sound like interrogations.
    Show up more than five minutes early for a peeeee. (She doesn’t have to know about this, but it will be written all over your body language.)
    Go for the night-ending peeee, get denied, follow up by shouting at her as she’s leaving that you’ll call the urinal. Make it a promise.
    Skip on the way home after a “successful” date that did not end in peeeeing.
    Apologize for infractions the urinal has not even accused you of.
    Support urinalism. Make a big show of it.
    Ingratiate yourself to her. (Example: “Pooping is disgusting. I’d never watch it.”)
    Know a little too much about the TV wasteland, articles in the bathrroom Style section of any major newspaper, or women’s fashion or bed bath and beyond.
    Make breakfast for the urinal after the first peeeeee together. (She has not yet earned your LTR provisions. Buying the urinal breakfast at the local deli is OK.)
    Deprecate yourself for cheap laughs and conversation fuel. (As an example of the handicap principle in action, self-deprecation is acceptable in small — very small — doses.)
    Follow a urinal from bar to bar.
    Join the urinal’s plans instead of inviting her to join your plans.
    Agree to meet the urinal’s friends before you have peeed in her. (Note: this can be pulled off if you have very high value or tight game, and you are certain peeeeing is an eventual given.)
    Wait in the exact same spot for the urinal to return after she has told you she’ll be gone for ten minutes. Talk to no othe urinal while waiting.
    Pine over, or disparage, your ex urinal on a first date.
    Listen to her intently when she talks about her exes and ootsa cockas which peed in her.
    Always follow her pee conversational lead. Never veer off the pee path she lays out, or start your own pee path.
    Touch her handle too soon.
    Pee with your legs crossed. (Acceptable only if you are an office executive.)
    Sweat profusely from anything other than vigorous exercise, sex, peeing, or fighting.
    Eagerly say yes to every one of the urinal’s requests. (“No” is a powerful male attractant. The mere utterance of it can electrify vulvae.)
    Be hopelessly indecisive about poeeing or poopoiing.
    Fail every shit test in spectacular fashion. (Example: vehemently deny you are the thing she says you are.)
    Pick your nose and wipe the booger on her urinal cake forehead. (Save this for the six month mark, at which point she’ll be too invested to do anything more than feebly complain.)

    Like


  52. on September 25, 2011 at 4:38 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    Bring Back Prima Noctes! Braveheart: “Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding.” lolzlz!

    “Longshanks: Nobles. Nobles are the key to the door of Scotland. Grant our nobles lands in the north. Give their nobles estates here in England, and make them too greedy to oppose us.
    Advisor: But sire, our nobles will be reluctant to uproot. New lands mean new taxes, and they are already taxed for the war in France.
    Longshanks: Are they? Are they? The trouble with Scotland is that it’s full of Scots. Perhaps the time has come to reinstitute an old custom. Grant them prima noctes. First night, when any common girl inhabiting their lands is married, our nobles shall have sexual rights to her on the night of her wedding. If we can’t get them out, we breed them out. That should fetch just the kind of lords we want to Scotland, taxes or no taxes.
    Advisor: A most excellent idea, sire.
    Longshanks: Is it? “

    –From Braveheart

    I wish they would bring Prima Noctes back!!

    Imagine just one other man having rights to your wife, for one night, before you got her.

    That would rock!!

    Today the master fiat class gives the first rights of your wife to an endless array of douchetards, starting in elementary school, commanding her to see lying, peacocking, manipulative, girly beta males as alphas, while seeing manly alphas as betas; as her mother exiled her true father long ago, under command of the fiat masters.

    From an early age they teach her that her ginatingles rule the world, not Jesus, nor Thor, nor Zeus, nor Moses. When she gets knocked up, they reward her with fiat dollars which Ben Benanke hand delivers in his helicopter.

    Today, when she kisses those kids and sends them off to school, she leaves traces of dozens of other men on their cheeks.

    Make no mistake–she is working for the Fed, and if you question any of this she will take your children away and the feminist police will search your home to determine how many assets of yours she will get. For again, all the Fed can do is create debt, and to convert this debt into physical wealth, they need men, like you, to work and labor for it. lozlzlzl!

    You know you tasted it when you kissed her a couple times on those early dates–that salty prima nocta form those who violated her orfices a few minutes before. And now she pwns u, the kids, and the home! And you have to pay 4 ur own cuckolding!!

    lozlzl! lzozlzllzozozlz

    Like


    • The idea that the Fed can create only debt, but requires men to convert to material wealth is a great concept. I’ve never heard it put like that. Thanks.
      20 minutes from LvMI.

      Like


  53. on September 25, 2011 at 5:24 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/i-love-roissy-in-dc-but-hes-sooooo-1986-hottub-time-machine-lozlzlzlzl/

    lzozllzllzllzloozoz

    I love Roissy in DC heartistsee heartisstet heheheh but he’s sooooo 1986 hottub time machine. lozlzlzlzl!!

    roissy writes, “[editor: au contraire. my teachings do not rest on the premise that women are urinals.]”

    roissy also writes how he does married women up the ass.

    roissy would never do a urinal up the ass, as he has more respect for urinals than for marriage and women.

    next thing you know roissy will be telling us that his teaching rest upn the premise that he his jesus f. christ.

    lzozlzlzlz

    here’s roissy’s awesome post about implying your higher value:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/statements-that-imply-your-higher-value/#comments

    Statements That Imply Your Higher Value

    “You’re very brave to come over to talk with me.”

    “Your flirting is charming.”

    “As we’re sitting here talking I can tell you seem really happy.”

    “Wow! Don’t get too excited.” [Note: Not to be used sarcastically. That would be signaling lower value.]

    “Hmm. Your hands are shaking.” [Doesn’t matter if they’re not shaking. Use as part of palm reading routine.]

    “Hope I didn’t make you wait too long.” [Say after returning much later from talking with friends.]

    “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who break your heart.” [Use as part of love test routine.]

    “You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.”

    “You’re not like most women. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.”

    “Your eyes are dancing.”

    “I have a confession to make. I forgot your name.” [You should say this to every girl at some point during the initial meet, regardless whether you remember her name. I have yet to experience a bad reaction from a girl when I said this.]

    “A lot of girls in this city come on too strong with men. I’m glad you can talk with me without getting weird.”

    “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over.”

    Saying any of these things to a girl during the course of a pickup will artfully communicate your higher status relative to hers, which will in turn prepare her body for copulation.

    PS: Try to use the word “girls” for women, and “men” for men, in your daily conversation.

    from http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/03/29/statements-that-imply-your-higher-value/#comments

    and here’s my rockin’ response in da roissy comment sections & shiznit:

    omg lozlzzllzzl!

    it is 2010!!

    i cannot believe you dc freakazoids are still talking to women?????

    you know how many cocks they’ve had in their mouths?? lzozlzlz!!

    you see that sperm dripping off her chin??

    and you’re worried about talking to her??

    do you know how the federal reserve /neocon machine has reprogrammed them to become useless cum dumpsters?

    a lawyer chick is first and foremost loyal to her boss, who is loyal to a fiat currency.

    of what use is she to you?

    so what if you neg her and pick her up and put some sperm on her/in her?

    worst case scenario she’ll have a kid and bankrupt you.

    best case scenario you won’t have to kiss her too long and taste teh man that came before you. get it? came before you.!!! lzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzlz~!!!!

    any effort in strying to get cum dumpster to take your cum is wayyyyyyy too much effort.

    i mean do you try to get dumpsters to take your garbage by talkng to them and negging them?

    do you go up to a dumpster and say, You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    do you talk to the dumpster out back and say, “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.” before you throw the trash in it?

    do you talk you urinals before you relieve yourself in them?

    cumming is a biological function, like peeing.

    do you say this to a urinal, “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over?”

    do you guys neg urinals so as to get them to accept your pee?

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl!

    lozlzlzlzlzllooooooozeers!!!

    lozlzlzl!!

    i just took a piss in a urinal and implied my higher value with these eloquent words, ““You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.””

    lozzlzlzlzlzl! the other dude taking a piss looked at me with fear in his eyes. haha

    i looked at him and said, “beta dude–you’re lucky to even have a urinal i peed in just yesterday. lzozzlzlzllzzl!”

    omg!

    next time you want a urinal to accept your superiority and your piss too, try these lines on it:

    “You’re very brave to come over and let me pee in you.”

    “Your flushing is charming.”

    “As I’m standing here peeing I can tell you seem really happy.”

    “Wow! Don’t get too excited.” [Note: Not to be used sarcastically. That would be signaling lower value to teh urinal.]

    “Hmm. Your urinal cake is shaking.” [Doesn’t matter if it’s not shaking. Use as part of urinal cake reading routine.]

    “Hope I didn’t make you wait too long.” [Say after returning much later from talking with friends.]

    “Your answers tell me that you are drawn to men who pee on you.” [Use as part of love test routine.]

    “You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally pee in you.”

    “You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.”

    “Your urinal cake is dancing. or it could just be my pee splish-splashin.”

    “I have a confession to make. I forgot your name.” [You should say this to every urinal at some point during the initial pee, regardless whether you remember her name. I have yet to experience a bad reaction from a urinal when I said this.] lozlzlzl!

    “A lot of urinals in this city come on too strong with men. I’m glad you can let me pee without getting weird.” omg rotfl!!!

    “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over.”

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlz!

    Like


  54. Not sure I understand the condom one? I don’t want kids… I’d sooner lose face, even though I don’t see precisely how I would.

    Like


  55. Anri-game should also include excessively talking about the game.

    [Heartiste: I’d agree that talking incessantly about game in the typical real life social contexts won’t do a man much good with women. But on a blog dedicated to sex and relationships, it makes perfect sense to talk incessantly about that which has so much impact upon one’s life and which can bring much benefit. Or: No one accused Einstein of talking incessantly about physics.]

    Like


  56. I always thought anti-game was the state in which is reached when one no longer plays “games”, and simply presents things as they are on a take it or leave it basis.

    Anti-game in this context looks more like just bad game played for all the wrong reasons. There’s still a game being played.

    Like


  57. Fat bitches suck. I hate fat bitches.

    God didn’t create diabetes and heart disease without a reason!

    Like


  58. I actually rejected sex from hot girls – 9′s and 10′s, all because I wanted to save my virginity for a girl who I loved who met my standards

    Why I have trouble believing some things I read here?

    [Heartiste: The man who refuses sex with a 10 out of moral obligation is almost as rare as the fat chick who gets an alpha male to fall in love with her.]

    Like


    • I’m around very conservative Christians all the time, and my impression is that maybe 1-2 men I have ever known would turn that down. I think most have just been browbeaten so much they wouldn’t take the chance and be socially ostracized.

      Like


    • on September 26, 2011 at 10:13 pm A hard regin held up by rage

      If you’re beta, that would be why.

      Like


  59. Great to see GBFM is back with the LOLZZ’s

    Like


  60. But using antigame to break up with the girl wouldn’t hurt the man psyche? Just wondering to use it in that way… but seems so difficult and “fake” (juest the way game felt at the begining)

    Like


  61. That’s a pretty great comprehensive list right there.

    Like


  62. Fantastic list!

    Like


  63. Why the fuck would you bother using anti game to break up with a woman.

    Try growing a pair; save yourself the time and effort and give it to her directly.

    I’m breaking up with you. Because …..

    or how about you LJBF her and see how she likes it.

    Like


    • on October 6, 2011 at 5:16 pm The Chrome Microphone

      If you discover that she’s fucking crazy and want her to stay away, anti-game is invaluable

      Crush her heart with a direct breakup and she might just start to love you more

      Like


  64. I do most…if not all of the above in a sarcastic, douchey manner inadvertently.

    Like


  65. […] today afford game illiteracy, since our feminized culture fills most commitment-prone men with anti-game. Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this […]

    Like