Sarah Palin’s Biggest Advantage

I wrote the following in my DC Truths Day post:

People will only turn against an alpha male when he attacks a weak woman.

This is Sarah Palin’s anti-missile defense shield. She isn’t weak, but she will be perceived as worthier of protection than her alpha male opponents. Her attractiveness, earthiness, motherhood, and gender means she will be almost impenetrable (heh) to frontal attacks, while affording her the latitude to fire at will. My advice to the Obama team: Stick to policy differences (creationism in schools??) and keep it above board. Call off your proxy attack dogs digging for family dirt, true or not. Going toe-to-toe with McCain-Palin on the personal biography and class angle will get you creamed. Palin simply neutralizes Obama’s best assets and the left knows it, hence their apoplexy this week. The froo froo crowd and Dan Savage readers will eat it up if you go for the jugular, but working class democrats will turn away in droves. Ignore the Kossacks and don’t give in to the tempation to slander and further aggravate the red state-blue state divide.

Oh, and forget about attempting to box McCain in as a Bush lapdog. With the freshness of Palin, he’s effectively cut off that avenue of attack. Instead, try to tar McCain with the fundie brush by connecting him with whatever extreme social views Palin holds. Ahh, this all sounds so familiar…

Megan McArdle wrote this on Sarah Palin:

As a person I like her.  Politically, I dislike what she represents:  populism, culture warmongering, and especially, the notion that if a woman is to hold power, she has to make herself non-threatening by emphasizing her domesticity and fertility.  I don’t blame her for doing these things, since they seem to work. But I don’t like living in a society where this works.

Megan, I’ve got news for you. There is no society where this doesn’t work. Check your libertarian fantasies at the door because the frontline of human nature – and innate sex differences – is everywhere.





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  1. The froo froo crowd and Dan Savage readers will eat it up if you go for the jugular, but working class democrats will turn away in droves. Ignore the Kossacks and don’t give in to the tempation to slander and further aggravate the red state-blue state divide.

    Just what I’ve been trying to tell people.

    clio

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  2. McCain and friends sat around and thought long and hard about what it was Obama had that McCain didn’t, and they’ve found it in Sarah Palin: Relative youth, likability and looks. I want to vote for Obama yet even I can’t help but be charmed by her–and I think what she does for the McCain camp is, obviously, get conservatives pumbed up about this election the same way liberals are.

    One thing I’ve noticed lately is just how tame liberals are compared to conservatives. For instance, conservatives are always finding tiny outrages to rally around and relentlessly spread their message. Last week it was Obama’s “Greek Columns”–it even found a place in Palin’s speech. Where is that sort of unified response from liberals? Palin was dismissive of “community organizers” which can potentially include priests and ordinary folk who do volunteer for their community. Why don’t liberals zone in on this a la republicans with the greek columns?

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  3. Obama can’t do it. For one thing, all his allies are not under central command, so they’ll free-fire on Palin regarding class, family, etc. “Stupid Hick” is their crusading theme already.

    For another, Obama does not like women much (Steve Sailer nailed that one). His campaign against Hillary was rife with misogyny, given that it’s full of high powered BIGLAW lawyers and political consultants, etc. Along with Obama’s immersion in the toxic Black Culture (and his own single mom abandonment issues), the temptation to attack Palin as “prole” will be irresistible.

    Blacks are raised by single mothers, the reality of the dispensibility of men in the modern family stares them in the face every day, at home and in the neighborhood. Just like the White British underclass, this predictably produces resentment of women to misogyny. Obama’s professional experience representing South Side Chicago only re-inforced this tendency, as well as the innate resentment of working/middle class nuclear family Whites.

    He’ll go for it like he complained to Iowa farmers about the high price of Arugula at Whole Foods (there is no Whole Foods in Iowa). His whole staff is an echo chamber, and knows (ala David Axelrod) only one thing: smear your opponent as “icky” ala Jack Ryan, and make them look like White Trash.

    Obama will go after Palin’s family and “White Trash” like Michael Vick after dogfighting. His obvious racial resentment, coupled with Michelle’s toxic Affirmative Action Black Yuppie resentment/status striving will insure it, along with the Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals disciple Axelrod.

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  4. shesaldno — “Community Organizers” = Black Yuppie lawyers performing shakedowns of government and corporations.

    What you are thinking about are “volunteers” who just do it, to quote Nike. Not make a money-making career out of it. It was a great line — mayors have to make decisions, not just posture and shakedown.

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  5. If this woman can convince Americans that a seventeen-year having a child out of wedlock is okay cause, “it’s just a normal family thing”. Then there is no doubt about it, Americans will believe anything if told often enough.

    Thank God, one of Obama’s daughters is pregnant. Imagine how many times you would hear and read the statistic about 70% blk births are OOW. Whiskey and the like would run with it all over the web, and poor David Alexander would grow even more depressed.
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  6. “whiskey”–I don’t think I evinced a misunderstanding of the term. I merely suggested how it could conveniently be interpreted by liberals. Would conservatives really come out and say that your definition is what they mean?

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  7. Shesaidno- Don’t make the mistake of voting on charm, that’s how we got Bush. Vote based on issues that means the most to you.

    I am rather afraid of living thru WWIII. From the pics and books I’ve read about Europe after the two WWs, I am in no way looking forward to having rebuild this country from rubble*. I can only imagine the casualties and destruction WWIII would leave when taking into account the advanced level of weaponry and the way wars are now fought. Seeing a large number of this country’s young men without limbs, suffering from PTSD would be very depressing.

    *I bet there would be no argument about South Americans coming into the country taking construction jobs then 😉

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  8. His obvious racial resentment?
    please explain

    , coupled with Michelle’s toxic Affirmative Action Black Yuppie resentment/status striving will insure it,

    and this too please

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  9. Obama can’t do it. For one thing, all his allies are not under central command, so they’ll free-fire on Palin regarding class, family, etc. “Stupid Hick” is their crusading theme already.

    You’re onto one of the main disadvantages the left has vis-a-vis the right: lefties don’t take orders well. At least around here. That and we’re less practical; the Republicans are more interested in winning elections. Biden makes sense as a VP (balance out Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience) but not as a VP candidate (someone from the eastern seaboard? since when do the Democrats have trouble winning the eastern seaboard?). The Republicans, on the other hand, saw a divide on the other side and hastened to exploit it by nominating a woman.

    I’m voting for Obama. I’m betting on McCain.

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  10. Chic Noir–I am pretty set on voting for Obama, I was just noting the gal’s likeability. Like I said, her purpose seems to be energizing the Republican base, and I doubt Hillary Clinton women are so stupid as to vote for someone who is actively against their principles. Palin will only work on the sort of people already set against Obama.

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  11. Chic noir, I keep hearing that line about how people would react if one of Obama’s daughters were to get pregnant; that everyone would crow about the number of black births that occur out of wedlock. I’m sure that some people would think and write along those lines. But what you don’t take into account is that many conservative Americans really hate abortion, and that the Republican party officially supports restrictions on abortion. If Obama’s daughter chose to carry this imaginary pregnancy to term (which is I assume the only way that anyone could find out about it), they would be so pleased by this turn of events that their main reaction would be one of relief.

    Clio

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  12. on September 4, 2008 at 11:49 pm Dave from Hawaii

    If this woman can convince Americans that a seventeen-year having a child out of wedlock is okay cause,

    This is already a moot point…because what Bristol Palin has done is demonstrate the Christian/Right Wing response to teen pregnancy PERFECTLY: Instead of aborting the kid, she’s getting married to the father.

    i.e. “Making an adult decision to own up to her responsibilities and put the child before her own convenience, future or her mother’s political career.”

    See, this perception that any failure by a Christian to live up to their religious ideals indicates hypocrisy is really just a phony leftist construct based on the caricature of corrupt televangelists representing all of Christianity.

    One of the base tenet’s of Christianity is that ALL human beings sin…including 17 year old girls having sex out of wedlock. It’s what you do and how you amend and repent of your sins that are more important.

    From the right wing fundie point of view, the Palin pregnancy and resulting marriage is the PERFECT example of how you deal with teenage, out of wedlock pregnancy — rather than have a discreet abortion or remain unmarried and go on welfare.

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  13. on September 5, 2008 at 12:00 am Days of Broken Arrows

    They’re dealing with Bristol’s pregnancy like a family would have dealt with a teen pregnancy in 1956: Shotgun wedding style. The main difference betwen now and then is that a man can’t support a family without an education, so the guy will have to be in college, while she’s home with the baby, or the reverse, or the grandparents will watch the kid.

    The biggest problem I see here, actually is the inaccessibility of younger people to get a foothold in the economy after about 1970 (Clio has mentioned this). If this were still a country where you didn’t need two high education degrees and ten years of experience to make a living, teen pregnancy wouldn’t be the “horror” it is now.

    As it stands, this horrifies liberals, because they tend to be education snobs. The idea of a white woman who isn’t 37 with an Ivy background having a kid terrifies them. But I can sympathize, because part of me is like that too, but I’m also a realist when it comes to biology and how the difference between wages and prices have made middle class living almost impossible.

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  14. on September 5, 2008 at 12:32 am Dave from Hawaii

    That is ALL true Broken Arrow. But it goes further than that…we have a deliberately dumbed-down populace that has been purposely institutionalized by our compulsory public schooling system, designed specifically to extend adolescence and delay the formation of nuclear families on the good ole Patriarchal model.

    This is the root base for the current social dynamic of hypergamous matriarchy and the feminist mindfuck that turned an entire generation of potential mothers and wives into single-mothers, welfare recipients, divorcees yoking ex-husbands into peonage and future, multiple-cat owning spinsters after their youth and beauty have been foolishly wasted in the singles scene.

    Feminism, public education, inflation, the rising cost of living, and the reduction of the population growth to unsustainable levels? It’s all connected and very deliberately inflicted.

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  15. shesaldno —

    Are Liberals interested in sneering at Palin over class/etc. issues, or winning? Clearly, the former since Community Activist = Jessie Jackson / Al Sharpton shakedown artists. Great in the Primaries. Crummy in the General.

    Chic Noir — huge difference between a 17 year old getting married to an 18 year old in Alaska where a strong back and little else can earn easily $50-60 a year, albeit in dangerous jobs. Anyone seeing Ice Road Truckers has seen 20-21 year old men with wives and families. Compare to a single welfare teen mom perpetuating the bad dynamic (watch any Rap Video) of young women selecting on thuggiest thugs.

    WWIII? That’s already coming. Nuke proliferation means thugs in crap countries like Pakistan or Iran can kill American cities with impunity (short run anyway) with deniable terrorist proxies. This was inevitable with the technology being available and the end of the Cold War leashes. Hope and Change won’t stop hardened Jihadis who can get men, power, and money by nuking America from carrying it out.

    Obama is pure racial resentment against his White Mom (who abandoned him) and Whites in general (why else choose Trinity, Wright, and Farrakhan, every tin-pot anti-White/America cause there is, from Palestinian terrorists to Ayers). Michelle Obama’s entire Princeton Thesis (I read it) was her resentment towards Whites and being an Affirmative Action admit. She says over and over again her separate Black Identity is the most important to her and she wants to remain separate from “White America” and how she does not like Whites much. She’s also a status striver: constant mention on how much she spends on personal trainers, music/dance lessons for kids, clothes, her house, etc.

    Bristol Palin’s kid will quite likely not take place out of Wedlock. Thus making that point moot. Lefties, please push this as much as possible. It will get every man thinking “Hey in Republican Alaska an 18 year old can earn enough to have his own wife!”

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  16. Let me add, Chicago Tribune is obeying “the One” and going after Palin and her academic record.

    She had four schools in five and half years: a semester in a JC in Hawaii, followed by two in Idaho, two at U. of Idaho, a semester in a JC in Alaska, then back to U of Idaho.

    For the elite, this is a horror! Not only not Harvard, but lots of schools. For most ordinary people unwilling to take on big debt loads, this is value-shopping at schools.

    Please, please, please Lefties indulge your elitist snobbery. Please insult every working mom in America who earned their degree over years, working all the time, in different schools. Please do this as much as possible. The election is too close, give us a win. Please.

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  17. she said no:her purpose seems to be energizing the Republican base, and I doubt Hillary Clinton women are so stupid as to vote for someone who is actively against their principles. Palin will only work on the sort of people already set against Obama

    I agree 100%

    @Dave- But what is the likelihood that this marriage will last? Do you really believe there would be this push for the two to get married had Pallin not accepted McCain’s offer of VP.

    I got to agree with Gannon here, if the young man was about 25, I would give this marriage a shot but not two 17 year olds. BTW, I like shotgun marriages. If you are old enough to get knocked up, then you are old enough to get married*.

    *excluding rape etc..

    @clio- I agree but there is the eugenic branch of the Republican party who won’t mind if a few non -white babies are aborted.

    *blows a kiss to days of broken arrows*

    Thank you thank you thank you. This is also another reason why the abstinence only education is a bunch of crap. Many people can’t afford to get married and take care of a spouse and children until they are 30-40 years old. Do we really think people are going to wait until there sexual peak and attractiveness has died down before engaging

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  18. Pragmatically, we have four lousy candidates running. Please bring back the old system for Presidential primaries.

    But, I like the woman because she is just like the people I was raised with. Shotgun marriage to the high school athlete? Almost routine in my youth. Palin and her parents didn’t go to an Ivy League school. Don’t have parents who have held high office. Aren’t lawyers. Her family works for a living. She knows who she is. She is not conflicted. Gets the job done. Has strong ethics and morals. Eats meat.

    She is the first “regular” American to run for this office in for a very long time. What a breath of fresh air.

    I think that most men would be glad to settle down with a woman like Sarah Palin seems to be. Who wouldn’t? That may cause serious self doubts among our urban and educated neurotic aging women. Woman like Palin don’t have much visibility in those circles. Maybe younger women will see Palin and how she has lived, and think.

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  19. whiskey-
    She had four schools in five and half years: a semester in a JC in Hawaii, followed by two in Idaho, two at U. of Idaho, a semester in a JC in Alaska, then back to U of Idaho.

    For the elite, this is a horror! Not only not Harvard, but lots of schools. For most ordinary people unwilling to take on big debt loads, this is value-shopping at schools

    half sigma would beg to differ

    Obama does not hate whites. Any child abandoned by their mother would have abandonment issues.

    Have you read of Michelle’s negative racial experiences while at Princeton?

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  20. on September 5, 2008 at 12:52 am Dave from Hawaii

    This is also another reason why the abstinence only education is a bunch of crap.

    Abstinence…birth control education…it’s ALL a bunch of crap. If you are a parent relying on the public schooling system to teach your kids about the birds and the bees and the consequences of sexual behavior, you are an idiot.

    When you see a teen pregnancy case, it’s a fools game to blame it on what kind of public school indoctrination is being used to brainwash the youth about their sexuality.

    The schools are NOT about “education.” They are about breeding SHEEPLE.

    Dumbed down proles who’s every behavior is malleable and controllable…ESPECIALLY your sexuality and reproductive rights.

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  21. I have a question for the commenters

    Would/could the US benefit from a parliamentary system.

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  22. You also wrote this, Roissy…

    – effeminate men are detestable
    – so are aggressive bitchy women

    I’d say Obama, McCain, and Biden all score about equal on point 1 (Biden might be stubborn enough to move past the other two on T-value) but consider how long Sarah Palin can keep chewing half the country out while her own backyard shitstack piles higher and higher ( the vindictive firings, the lies about gov’t handouts).

    Alaska loves her because she cut every citizen a check, paid for by rest of America. How long will the honeymoon last with the rest of us?

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  23. Please insult every working mom in America who earned their degree over years, working all the time, in different schools.

    this is exactly what i’m talking about. if the left or their foot soldiers in the MSM go after palin’s personal biography and prole background, they are digging their own electoral grave. why do they think this will work? because they are utterly insulated from how their beliefs are perceived by people they don’t live amongst. “why every woman should wait until she’s 35 and out of grad school before having 1.2 children and a chihuahua!” this insular blind spot is a direct result of their superiority complex. they are so superior in fact, that they and their superior genes will soon disappear from the face of the earth.

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  24. Dave, if you could remodel the American school system, what would you change about it or add to it.

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  25. half sigma would beg to differ

    Half Sigma can be interesting but his harping on Proles of late makes him sound peevish and nerdy.

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  26. I’d say Obama, McCain, and Biden all score about equal on point 1

    i think it’s a stretch to consider those three effeminate, especially mccain.

    the vindictive firings, the lies about gov’t handouts

    if true, these are legitimate criticisms to bring up in debate.

    Alaska loves her because she cut every citizen a check, paid for by rest of America.

    alaska could probably survive on its own as a seceded nation. at least then they’ll be free to drill ANWR.

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  27. PA- I am not surprised by his harping on Proles. In every society there are those who look down on others who have less(power,money,education,intelligence etc..)

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  28. Obama certainly is effeminate. Aren’t his biographies one story after another of getting the vapors over something slight?

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  29. Chic – I agree. In HS’s case, it seems almost obsessive.

    BTW: Obama Sr’s manly genes must have all gone into that newly-discovered half-brother in Kenya, who matter-of-factly says that he lives on one dollar a day and uses his fists to fight people who would rob him.

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  30. Doesn’t Pallin’s being apart of a succession group make her anti-American.

    Alaska loves her because she cut every citizen a check, paid for by rest of America.

    Alaska could probably survive on its own as a seceded nation. at least then they’ll be free to drill ANWR

    Roissy, if Alaska did secede, how long do you think it would remain a sovereign nation???

    China needs oil

    Russia is seeking to reclaim its former glory

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  31. … and when it comes to obsessions, I much prefer Peter’s particular one.

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  32. on September 5, 2008 at 1:08 am Dave from Hawaii

    Dave, if you could remodel the American school system, what would you change about it or add to it.

    End it, not “mend” it. The Federal Government has no business whatsoever being involved in ANY form of education.

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  33. PA- I think it is sad that Obama didn’t feel comfortable addressing the ethnic fighting that broke out after Kenya’s last election.

    I agree PA, I think he is obssessed with the word.

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  34. END it?

    So who/how would American children be educated.

    PA said:and when it comes to obsessions, I much prefer Peter’s particular one.

    LOLROF

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  35. on September 5, 2008 at 1:22 am Dave from Hawaii

    Private schools in free market competition.

    That being said…I think based on past media appearances, I think it’s quite obvious who really wears the pants in the Obama family…and it’s not Barack Hussein.

    Remember how she publicly emasculated Barack?

    ”I am always a little amazed at the response that people get when they hear from Barack,” she told the crowd at the Beverly Hilton, as her husband stood by looking like a puppy being scolded, reported Hud Morgan of Men’s Vogue. ”A great man, a wonderful man. But still a man.

    ”I have some difficulty reconciling the two images I have of Barack Obama. There’s Barack Obama the phenomenon. He’s an amazing orator, Harvard Law Review, or whatever it was, law professor, best-selling author, Grammy winner. Pretty amazing, right?

    ”And then there’s the Barack Obama that lives with me in my house, and that guy’s a little less impressive. For some reason this guy still can’t manage to put the butter up when he makes toast, secure the bread so that it doesn’t get stale, and his 5-year-old is still better at making the bed than he is.”

    She said that the TV version of Barack Obama sounded really interesting and that she’d like to meet him sometime.”

    She’s a ball busting bitch and Obama is certainly no Alpha if he tolerates being married to THAT.

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  36. People are blowing her comments out of proportion. I am sure you have a woman say that and worse to you in private. I think Michelle was attempting to make Barack seem like a normal person and less like the mythic creature the media, and some of his followers portray him as.

    Then we wonder why most politicians read from carefully written scripts prepared by other people.

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  37. They’re dealing with Bristol’s pregnancy like a family would have dealt with a teen pregnancy in 1956: Shotgun wedding style.

    To reiterate, that’s what bothers me about this entire situation. The sensible thing to do would have been to abort the fetus and dump the loser boyfriend.

    Obviously, it’s much better that they’re staying together in a committed relationship with each other, and that’s preferable given the alternative models, but to me it seems foolish to have a child at such a young age and to marry some local area “dude” that you stumbled upon.

    Chic Noir is medium brown and proud

    In the Caribbean, we’re called “red”/”rouge”. 🙂

    albeit in dangerous jobs

    Well, that’s the problem. How many middle class men would really want to earn $60K to dangerous work in non-climate controlled weather? Hell, I know plenty of immigrants who have stated that they came to America so their kids wouldn’t work in those types of jobs.

    Besides, if I made $50-60K, why would I want to waste it on a wife and kids at the age of 21? As I’ve stated, I’d enjoy myself at first, and then once I’m bored and in my thirties, embark upon parenthood. I periodically babysit for my niece and nephew, and while I love those kids, they’re a handful, and I can understand why so many want to put it off for as long as possible.

    Obama is pure racial resentment against his White Mom (who abandoned him)

    Interestingly, since he was raised by his white great grandparents, I don’t see how he could resent white people since he grew up with two who loved him and took care of him.

    She’s also a status striver: constant mention on how much she spends on personal trainers, music/dance lessons for kids, clothes, her house, etc.

    What’s wrong with that? That’s rather normal for middle class folks…

    Who wouldn’t?

    The 20-something Sarah Palin was a prole with no career and a belief in a crazy voodoo Pentecostal church. I see no incentive beyond “pump and dump”.

    Would/could the US benefit from a parliamentary system.

    Given the American desire for weak governments, no. Mind you, I’d love for a Parliamentary system with a strong Presidency with 5 to 7 year terms.

    why every woman should wait until she’s 35 and out of grad school before having 1.2 children and a chihuahua!

    Why shouldn’t we aspire to the “true white” people lifestyle?

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  38. Half Sigma can be interesting but his harping on Proles of late makes him sound peevish and nerdy.

    You have to remember, Half Sigma grew up as a Jewish prole on an Island filled with Italian proles. He hates the proles because in his small Manhattan apartment, he’s still a prole compared to the rest of the Manhattan. For him to leave Manhattan would be admitting defeat and that he’s no better than happy-go-lucky proles he fled.

    alaska could probably survive on its own as a seceded nation.

    Yes, but when shit goes down, it’s the Marines, CVN-68 and some battleships coming to save it’s ass…

    The Federal Government has no business whatsoever being involved in ANY form of education.

    Nationalized curriculum, high standards, and examinations based on New York State’s Regents Examination Program. I’m tired of hearing numerous anecdotal stories of the backwardness of schools in other states where algebra is taught during the senior year of HS.

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  39. Chic Noir says Obama doesn’t resent whites. My impression is that dark skinned people resent (a nice word for hate) lighter skinned people. Some examples:

    1. Haiti: All whites were killed in 1801 on orders of the new black Haitian govt. This govt was internationally recognized. Yes, the first genocide in the Western Hemisphere not committed by the Spanish was by Africans against whites. Haiti had been the jewel in the crown of the Western French Empire. Now the Haitians sullenly wait for the ships to come and bring gifts from the white people, whom they still seem to hate.
    2 Liberia: The darker native Africans hated and revolted against the lighter skinned Americoliberians. They destroyed their otherwise fairly prosperous country with 20 years of civil war. The darker Americoliberians hated the lighter Americoliberians, too.
    3. L.A. After the first trial of the police for beating Mr. King, blacks riot and attack and kill whites at random.
    4. Zimbabwe: The blacks prefer to starve than to let whites continue to own and run commercial farms. White citizens of Zimbabwe are officially discriminated against. If have to hate really badly to let yourself and your family starve to satisfy that hatred.
    5. Africa: Non-Africans (racial) cannot be considered true Africans. Remember when Kerry’s wife said she was African? (Her family was chased out by the new black regime.) Being raised in Africa doesn’t make a white an African.
    6. Clinton. Viciously attacked (verbally) by his old black allies for speaking, indirectly, the truth about Obama during the campaign. They showed not the slightest gratitude or loyalty for all the favors done by the Clintons for blacks. If Clinton had been black, that wouldn’t have happened.

    This list could be made as long as you want.

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  40. Oh, forgot one thing to about Liberia. Its constitution, written by blacks, forbade whites from being permanent residents.

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  41. DA — here is the problem. Your values are not the values of most people. Most people would LIKE a family when young. Assume adult responsibility as soon as possible, and take pleasure in that. It is what is most of the West used to be until high costs drove up adulthood into the mid-late thirties.

    Roissy is exactly right. The Media/Kos/Obama idiots live in their own bubble and don’t get how different in values and life experience people are.

    All those Alaska reality shows are popular for a reason, same reason Office Space was a cult hit. Guys are tired of the cubicle farm and the petty idiocy therein. No one wants to end up as Milton Waddams.

    DA/Chic — Obama’s hatred of his white part and his self-discovery as the “Angry Black Man” (while taking part of his hard working White Granny’s money to send him to schools) is well documented. Early on he was not seen as “Black Enough” in the campaign, but that changed with Wright. Which put him over with Blacks, killed him with Whites.

    Michelle Obama saw discrimination, where her classmates saw none. She got a free ride in Princeton, despite no real qualifications other than skin color and sex, and high paying jobs in BIGLAW because of her affirmative action qualifications, later “Diversity Officer” jobs that paid six figures to do … nothing but be a tick mark on the University’s diversity quota.

    Michelle Obama had her career paved for her based on being the Angry Black Woman (and nothing else) and knows it. Resents it and of course Whites. Who in turn resent her, since the cost to Whites increases as the economy goes south and there are fewer Whites to spread the cost over.

    “First Time I’ve been proud of my country,” etc. Michelle Obama probably pushed Barack to get that house, in a nasty deal that ties him explicitly to Rezko, Auichi, and Saddam. Most Americans do not have personal trainers. They run or work in the yard.

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  42. Just ONE more thing. I know so much because us beta males have a lot of time on our hands to read.

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  43. on September 5, 2008 at 2:02 am tribal individualist

    It seems Megan McArdle doesn’t like living in reality. She prefers her libertarian fantasy land where all the beta males submit themselves to an intellectualized fantasy of equality while keeping their horny thoughts to themselves to jerk off to while they are at home, guilty and depressed. I guess DC is as good a place as any to live, if that’s the reality you are looking for. Just stay near the white metro lines.

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  44. Whiskey has racial paranoia and his theories about Obama are cripped from Steve Sailer. In this case “well documented” would mean interpreting Obama’s book “Dreams from My Father” as wildly as possible.

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  45. My impression is that dark skinned people resent (a nice word for hate) lighter skinned people.

    In the case of Haiti, the revenge was essentially fueled by the anger of the slaves who went through brutal slavery for the white slave-owners. Remember kids, don’t mistreat your slaves…

    BTW, as a Haitian-American of both “slave and slave-owning ancestors”, I can tell you that there are some Haitians who worship white people, and others who hate them with a passion.

    Zimbabwe: The blacks prefer to starve than to let whites continue to own and run commercial farms.

    That was Mugabe booting out the one group of people who would bother to stand up to him, and handing the spoils off to the loyalists. Otherwise, everybody else either supports him, or they fear his retaliation for standing up against him.

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  46. Agreed, on all points. I don’t think any of them are that effeminate, either. I just didn’t want to make my quote look cut-up, so I winged it.

    I’ll give McCain his due, too, but the beta’s been tortured outta him, and I ain’t gonna lie, we still need a *little* love in the white house. I got relations on medicaid, damn!

    BTW, 28, Obama is definitely not effeminate. Check out his subtle appreciation of the finer arts…

    http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2006/11/2973_obama_to_report.html

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  47. Most people would LIKE a family when young. Assume adult responsibility as soon as possible, and take pleasure in that.

    I personally find that to be highly absurd. To embark upon such responsibility so quickly seems foolish and wasteful, and it defeats the purpose of earning high income, to enjoy what the money can provide for the individual and the pursuit of his or her happiness.

    Maybe the proles are unsophisticated and simple and too stupid to chase their own happiness.

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  48. She prefers her libertarian fantasy land where all the beta males submit themselves to an intellectualized fantasy of equality while keeping their horny thoughts to themselves to jerk off to while they are at home, guilty and depressed.

    I’ll bite, what’s wrong with that?

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  49. Racial Paranoia? No reality. Blacks no less than Whites, and probably more, are racist. The anti-Semitism of Blacks is notorious and rampant. As is their anti-white racism of Trinity United, which is typical of Black Churches.

    Blacks went from tough lives under Segregation, but considerable artistic, musical, literary, and other achievements, to a total loss of human capital and culture. Because of the choices of Black women to seek out the most thug of the thugs. Google “Lauren London Thugs” to see this in action, and the views of Black Bloggers on the subject.

    If Obama had wider aspirations, even HE knew Wright/Trinity/Farrakhan were anchors around his necks. He stayed there twenty years with “God Damn America” and “KKK of A” and all the damn Whitey sermons because it filled a deep-seated need. His mother hated America, as did mentor Frank Marshall Davis (Black Communist). It’s why his White buddy is Bill Ayers, not say, Mayor Daley.

    He did it (associated with those clowns) for years longer than needed (to gain Farrakhan’s approval who runs South Central) because he wanted to hate Whitey more than advance his career.

    If anything scares me about Obama, it’s how he’ll sacrifice his ambition for Hate Whitey(tm).

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  50. shesaidno
    Whiskey has racial paranoia and his theories about Obama are cripped from Steve Sailer. In this case “well documented” would mean interpreting Obama’s book “Dreams from My Father” as wildly as possible

    I know and it’s so sad that they follow Steve like he is a god among men. I’ve read some wild untruths on his blog. One that the average white&black American man is 5’11 and that is why they are prefered over Asian men.

    Average American man is 5’9.

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  51. Palin is a politician. Women are basically masculine at work, unless their job is raising kids. She’s still going to send her own and other people’s children off to die in a war somewhere. She’s still a pseudo man; beauty contest winner notwithstanding. Everyone is having fits just because she has a vagina, but at work, she’ll be a dick because she has to be.

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  52. Blacks no less than Whites, and probably more, are racist.

    I’ll bite. Why am I not racist or anti-Semitic?

    The anti-Semitism of Blacks is notorious and rampant.

    A lot of people detest Jews and it’s due to do with the stereotype of “owning everything” and being rich. A group of poor and working class people will always have feel disenfranchised and resentful of a group that appears to be mostly rich and successful.

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  53. As usual, the McCain campaign is playing checkers while the Obama campaign plays chess.

    The Palin pick gives McCain a nice, short-term boost. She’s young, attractive and energetic. She’s got a quirky charisma and she get’s people interested.

    On the other had, now that McCain has his Palin bump, he’s got to carry this woman to the finish line and hope nothing big explodes in his face. It’s a bad bet.

    First, there are all sorts of scandals cooking on her now. Right now the state legislature is investigating her for trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. She’s now lawyered up and is now refusing to testify. Some Alaska pols are talking about impeachment. That should play out well over the next 60 days.

    That’s just one scandal. The press is out in force, combing the great state of Alaska for dirt on her and I’d bet serious money that they find it.

    It’s Alaska, for god’s sake. The cold weather and the oil money make the government loopy and corrupt. If you were to list all the states in order of which ones are the worst to pick a candidate for the national ticket from, Alaska would be number 2. Louisiana would be number one.

    Mostly though, she’s a lightweight. Eventually, they’re going to have to let her out of her bubble and let her answer questions. She’s got zero experience and little knowledge of anything outside of Alaska. It will me amusing to see her stand on a stage with Biden and make a complete ass of herself.

    You can only play the “you’re being mean to me” card so many times before people get tired of it. It’s been six days for her so far and she’s already near the limit.

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  54. A war mongering woman is an obscenity. So what? She’ll be a dick by day and a pussy by night? She’s a split personality and therefore as unbalanced as Hilary Clinton or any of the feminist lawyer/politicians you guys all hate. The only difference is she is better looking and in this culture, as roissy points out, that’s everything. So she gets away with wanting to be treated “like a lady” (my family is off limits!) yet supports having her and other people’s children killed in a war? So much for feminine causes. At least a man is a man and not a split personality.

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  55. This is random people, but I’m wondering: Was anyone here ever a member the of “intellectualwhores” forums?

    That was my first foray into the world of PUA back in about 2003 or so. Hilarious place.

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  56. You’re joking, right Chuch?

    “Troopergate” was a case of a Alaska State Trooper who: tasered his 11 year old stepson, drank on duty in his patrol car, illegally shot moose out of season, and threatened to kill Palin’s father and sister (his ex). Palin sent e-mails complaining about lack of action on this, before she was governor, to the head of the AK State Troopers, demanding that no one be above the law.

    The more the public hears about this the more they’ll like her. She’s “Marie” (the case that launched Fred! Thompsons career btw). Spunky reformer taking on the big boys.

    Lightweight? That’s Joe Biden, who’s big idea (partition Iraq) united Arabs, Kurds, Shia, Sunnis, Turks into rejecting it as stupidity squared. Biden’s in love with his own voice. He was a stupid pick. Palin’s already visited Iraq, her son is going there in service. Meanwhile Biden’s son and brother are in their eyeballs in lobbying scandal after scandal after lawsuit.

    Keep calling her lightweight. Please do so around working people. Imply it takes a Harvard degree to lead. We need every vote!

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  57. David Alexander: Here’s some names for you — Cheney, Goodman, and Schwerner. Sound familiar? Two Jewish guys and a Black guy registering voters in MS in 1965 during the Civil Rights movement, murdered by the Klan (the basis for the film “Mississippi Burning”). No group was more prominent in advocating Civil Rights for Blacks than Jews. Some paid for it with their lives. [The only groups to help the NAACP during it’s anti-Lynching campaign of the 1920’s and 30’s, when the Klan was a real threat and trying to run even Notre Dame out of South Bend, were Jewish organizations.]

    Blacks ignore this long history (of support and campaigning by Jewish organizations and leaders and people in the US) to indulge themselves in bigotry and scapegoating to keep ignoring their own complete and total cultural, social, and political collapse as Segregation removed the social glue that kept the Black Community intact. And not only intact, but capable of producing giants like Langston Hughes, or Duke Ellington. Not the blackface, shameful minstrel shows that are P Diddy and Usher and pretty much any Rapper.

    Sharpton and others agitate (like Louis Farrakhan, or other NOI bigots) against “Jews” who have done them no harm and risked much in the past (within living memory) to end Segregation because they believed it right. Spike Lee’s anti-Semitic behavior (many Jazz artists were Jewish, something he can’t stand) and statements speak for themselves. [Even worse, Black artists like Sydney Bechet borrowed from Yiddish klezmer musical traditions, and vice-versa! Lee can’t stand that.]

    I understand why Blacks indulge in anti-Semitism and anti-White scapegoating (the Klan and Segregation have been dead for more than 40 years). The internal contradictions of Black society, particularly the desperate attempt to avoid the fate of the Irish and Jews and Italians assimilation, along with the preference for thuggery, cannot bear contemplation and reform, thus the need for scapegoating. [See how Cosby is treated on this subject.]

    If you are Jamaican, your are no more part of that (Black cultural decline/collapse and scapegoating) than a Nigerian immigrant. [Nigerians, generally studious and hardworking, have a hard time with American Urban Blacks who find those qualities detestable and “white” and harass them for doing well in school.] This is a unique Black American phenomena related to identity among the diaspora of Blacks post Segregation.

    In a way, it’s like how Yuppies hate Palin. Both threats to the idea of identity.

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  58. @Roissy – What does Megan’s comment have to do with libertarianism? I respect your supremely rational approach to women, but regret when you withdraw to irrational, reflexive ignorance when it comes to politics.

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  59. Since when do comments need to be moderated here?

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  60. on September 5, 2008 at 1:05 pm Usually Lurking

    One that the average white&black American man is 5′11 and that is why they are prefered over Asian men.

    Average American man is 5′9.

    Chic, the Average White/Black Man is taller than 5’9″. In fact, the average in America used to be 5’10” for Men. But with massive amounts of immigration from countries like Mexico and El Salvador and other countries, our TOTAL Average height for men has fallen.

    Is there anything else he said that seemed wildly inaccurate.

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  61. I would like to point out, for all to bloviating about what an alpha/manly man/rough and tumble/strong state Alaska and its resident’s is/are;Alaska is the second largest welfare state by capita (after NY), it’s first in federal spending per capita and fourth in return on Tax dollars. Morever, virtually every alaskan annually recieves a check from the state for oil tax revenues. You will not find, even amongst the inner city, a group of people more dependent on the government teet.

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  62. on September 5, 2008 at 2:26 pm Usually Lurking

    You will not find, even amongst the inner city, a group of people more dependent on the government teet.

    There is a big difference between the gov’t giving welfare and the people needing it.

    I get the feeling that if the Alaskan Welfare system were to fall apart tomorrow and everyone had to simply rely on what they could do for themselves (and rely on things like family, friends and neighbors), they would be just fine.

    If it were Camden, NJ…not so much.

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  63. No they wouldn’t. Without Federal and Oil money, Alaska is Siberia. Seriously.

    Alaska is a beautiful, but harsh and unforgiving land that brooks no mistakes. Many people who live in alaska manage to get by due to the largess of the federal government in the form of public infrastructure projects and oil revenues that make the insanely high cost of living affordable. Just because you know how to shoot a gun and scrounge up a meal doesn’t make you tough or any different from a Bronx welfare mom. Oh, wait, it makes you exactly the same, just in winter boots.

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  64. on September 5, 2008 at 5:50 pm Usually Lurking

    …doesn’t make you tough or any different from a Bronx welfare mom

    The Welfare Mothers of the Bronx churn out children that commit petty and not-so-petty crimes. Not so for the Welfare Mothers of Alaska. There is a huge difference.

    My guess, the crime rate in Alaska would be no different than the crime rate in Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, etc. …regardless of any welfare.

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  65. According to what I could find:

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/rankings.html

    in 2005 by violent crimes per capita, Alaska ranked 22 out of 50 and New York ranked 21. New Jersey was 26. Whether it’s some “welfare mother” (and we all understand your code loud and clear) or some gap toothed fisherman on the coast, welfare is welfare. You’re struggling to make ends meet and the government is picking you up. Take that assistance away, and well, you starve. I don’t care how tough and “values oriented” you are, and neither does the Alaskan winters.

    But your right, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, were all relatively safe.

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  66. on September 5, 2008 at 6:21 pm Usually Lurking

    <em…and we all understand your code loud and clear…

    Idiot, it is your code. You used the phrase first. I was just using your chosen phrase.

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  67. Fair enough.

    And the rest of the point?

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  68. @UL- when was the average American man 5’10? I don’t buy it. The 5’9 number comes from the early 90’s, before massive influx of immigrants from South America. American men would like to believe that they are as tall as Dutch men but they are not.

    Steve’s BS about muscularity among different races, and how it’s the reason why Asian women prefer white men over Asian men. Also, his BS about blond white men not being attractive because they are not heavily featured in Hollywood movies anymore. Any very pale skin and Nicole Kidman is a top actress because her skin is very light.

    Blacks no less than Whites, and probably more, are racist.
    I understand why you want to think this way, it gives you a way to excuse your racism. I think this is what they call Projection is it not…

    For blacks it comes from being treated unfairly, there are many blks who can still recall Jim Crow. There are also whts around who witnessed lynchings along with their sick parents and older family members. To them, hanging and burning human beings was a spectator sport complete with snacks such as popcorn and hot dogs to munch on.

    I wasn’t around during the 50s and 60s but I have been called the n-word, had my intelligence doubted by a prolles(HS) who struggle to spell their own name and know little about US History or world History, given dirty looks, and followed around in storesetc…. I would like to add most blks don’t hate whites. They are just very cautious and sometimes overly sensitive.

    The anti-Semitism of Blacks is notorious and rampant

    Oh really!!! Contrary to what you see in the 6’oclock news, and read from the author wrote race book of the month, most blks respect Jewish peoples worldwide struggle.

    Jews went through waves of cyclical violence in Europe before the Holocaust and still they have managed to come out on top. Furthermore, a number of white Americans have had and continue to have problems with Jewish people, but try to make it seem as if blk people are the only group to have a few who are anti- semtic in our mist. Historically, Jewish students at Harvard were kept to a minimum. There was a fear that Jews would take over the school because they did so well. That is similar to the way some whites feel about Asians today.

    Btw, some Jews are black. Not only the African-Americans who convert but read about the Ethiopian Jews also called the Falasha (pejorative), the blk South African group also called the Lemba, and some have drawn ties to the Ibo Nigerians.

    I understand why Blacks indulge in anti-Semitism and anti-White scapegoating (the Klan and Segregation have been dead for more than 40 years).

    No you don’t understand. You think you do but you don’t.
    I won’t deny that there are some-not all or even half- blks who do scapegoat, but there are just as many whites who use blks as a scapegoat for all their problems too.

    The anti-Semitism being thrown around as the reason for all the ills in this country is a bunch of BS, and it’s the reason many blks don’t vibe well with Farrakhan. Some blk people think he is a stooge because all his long winded talk of the evil Jews. BTW, the NOI is all about blks being self sufficient, which is a good thing since you don’t like scapegoating remember.

    The klan is still alive, people like you keep the racism and hatred going abet without the white sheets and horses.
    FYI,the dirty looks, ignorant mean spirited questions, looking down upon, nitpicking(tp), desire to touch the bodies and hair of blk people as if we are freaks of nature, twisted sexual obsession, the need to put all of us 38 million into one group because one blk person says something, does something, thinks some way etc… are some of what go into the anti-white scapegoating.
    Over time, you just get sick of dealing with the bs and try to avoid it.

    Look at it like this, it is very similar to a woman who has been raped multiple times by different men, during different stages in her life, being apprehensive towards having any type of very close relationship with men.

    Contrary to popular belief by those who think like you, most blks who have problems with whi.teS per say, only have them because of the twisted way some whites tend to view us. Just because you red one book, talked to a few blk people, you don’t know all of us, and you are not an expert on blk people. Hell, I don’t know all of us. We are 38 million strong in this country.
    We don’t all have the same experiences. Blacks who traveled abroad like myself, tend to see American race relations in a different light, and have come to the conclusion that blk Americans are this country’s undesirables. Our place in this society is very similar to the Gypsies in Eastern Europe and Italy, the Untouchables in India, the Basque in Spain, the Oromo in Ethiopia, the Irish(esp red heads) in the United Kingdom, the Aboriginals in Australia, the native people in New Zealand, the blks in South Africa etc…

    BTW, the most jaded of all blacks are not those who live in the ghetto. Most of those blks are indifferent to whites until a problem arises. It’s those blks who live, and work side by side with people who think and feel as you do who tend to have a dislike or develop a dislike for whts. If you have time, read The Rage Of The Black Middle Class by Eliss Cose, maybe that will help enlighten you. If you read this book don’t approach a random blk middle class people and talk to them as if you know all about them because you don’t. All people race aside, are individuals, and at the end of the day, have personal opinions and beliefs which may/will differ from the group.

    If you are Jamaican, your are no more part of that (Black cultural decline/collapse and scapegoating) than a Nigerian immigrant. [Nigerians, generally studious and hardworking, have a hard time with American Urban Blacks who find those qualities detestable and “white” and harass them for doing well in school.] This is a unique Black American phenomena related to identity among the diaspora of Blacks post Segregation

    Again, you talk of things which you do not know. I am a quarter Ethiopian so I can roll with you on this issue too. American Urban Blacks dont’ find the qualities detestable as a whole but are lead to believe that they are suppose to be like the blks they see on MTV and VH1, read- gangsters and walking stereotypes. I’ve always done well in school and I’ve never been teased about it but I guess it’s may be because I have a personality which does take well to bullying and being put down.

    The teasing of blks who do well in school is no different than the teasing that chubby and fat white women get for being overweight. As a general rule, in life, if you are different, you can almost always count on being teased. If you move to far away from the median, you will be teased.

    Ex.
    Very tall woman American (6 ft) being teased because she is very tall and maybe called a drag queen a few times in her life.
    An American woman who is 4’11, will have stories of being teased any called a munchkin, hobbit, midget etc…

    A Dutch woman who is 6 ft tall will have far fewer stories of being teased about her height, since a 6ft tall Dutch woman is far from abnormal. The stories of being teased will be more for a 4’11 Dutch woman, than an American woman of similar height.

    It’s funny that you mention Jamaicans. Were they not slaves too??? Yes, in fact fact Jamaica is a former colony of England. A lot of Jamaican slaves were brought over on the same slave ships African-Americans where. The Jamaican slave experience was slightly different because they worked on more large scale plantations, and were able to keep some cultural attributes from Africa. If you think you have problems understanding Ebonics & blk American slang, try patois. If you read the murder statistics of Kingston Jamaica, I bet you would be fearful of them too.

    I would also add that most immigrants move to a new country for a better life. The USA is a country that one moves to if and only if, you are prepared to work very hard because we don’t have the type of social welfare system that can be found in countries like Sweden, France or Belgium. Most of out imgrints excluding S. Americans are the best of the best. Did you know that blk African imagrints are the most educated of all groups in Ameirca including whts and Asians. It’s the same scenario in England too, oh God don’t tell SS and HS that.

    If you ask the French, they will tell you that the African-American immigrants make assimilate much easier than the blk Africans or blk West Indians. I wonder why???
    The question is why are blk Americans so different??? What happened to create this unique type of blk person. Don’t forget that many of us have a few drops of white blood in our veins so what does that say about those whites who were here prior to the great wave of European immigration in the late 19th and early 20th century. Did the mixing create this monster of a people . sarcasm.

    Particularly the desperate attempt to avoid the fate of the Irish and Jews and Italians assimilation, along with the preference for thuggery, cannot bear contemplation and reform, thus the need for scapegoat.

    Wrong….

    Blacks have continually tried to assimilate into American society but have been pushed back. The biggest thing preventing us from full-scale assimilation is our being blk. Can most Americans just look at a Irish, Jewish or Italian American and tell what ethnic group he/she is from??? No, but they will all acknowledge that they are all in fact white. Can most Americans look at the average blk person and know that they are blk- read non white, yes.

    Blacks who can and have fully assimilated often look like:

    1. Victoria Rowell’s daughter
    2. Adam Clayton Powell Jr.
    3. Charles Rangel
    4. Adam Clayton Powell III
    5. Adam Clayton Powell IV
    6. Carley Simon
    7 . Jael from top model
    8. Eartha Kitt’s daughter

    Blks as a group don’t look to thuggery as a good thing any more than Italians do. Allmost all of us speak out against it, and escaping from inner city thuggery is one of the reasons why middle class blks form neighborhoods of their own(PG county or Baldwin HIlls) or move to nearly all white neighborhoods.

    This was the last time I will respond to any race based or racist comments on this board. I will behave like T, Reggie, VK, Nicole, and sometimes DA and simply ignore or overlook those types of comments.
    I guess the writer(s) of said comments feels much safer to express such garbage online versus in person with a blk man or blk friend(prob don’t have any). BTW, it’s a super beta move for a wht male to attack a blk female because he is angry with blk males. Don’t take your anger out on proper target and the reverse applies.

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  69. UL – Domestic violence is a large problem in Alaska.

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  70. Chic Noir is medium brown and proud

    In the Caribbean, we’re called “red”/”rouge”.

    DA , LOL, that was from another blog dealing with the whole young berg issue. I forgot to change it before I posted a comment here.

    If I offended anyone with that tittle, I aplogize.

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  71. on September 6, 2008 at 1:18 am tribal individualist

    Chic Noir — Although plenty of people take pride in things they have accomplished which certainly do not deserve the emotion, pride in things you have/have had no control over is even sadder.

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  72. tribal individualist- google young berg dark butts and you will understand why I wrote that. btw, I agree with you.

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  73. on September 6, 2008 at 4:10 am Usually Lurking

    when was the average American man 5′10? I don’t buy it. The 5′9 number comes from the early 90’s, before massive influx of immigrants from South America.

    My entire youth I remember hearing that specific number, 5’10”. Granted, I don’t know what almanacs I should be checking to verify. Also, that massive influx began during the 80’s.

    Steve’s BS about muscularity among different races, and how it’s the reason why Asian women prefer white men over Asian men. Also, his BS about blond white men not being attractive because they are not heavily featured in Hollywood movies anymore. Any very pale skin and Nicole Kidman is a top actress because her skin is very light.

    Just calling it “BS” doesn’t suddenly make it wrong. Granted, him saying doesn’t suddenly make it right. Either way, it has certainly touched a nerve with you.

    Personally, I think that he is a national treasure. I cannot think of anyone else willing to even talk about things like Race without paying great homage to our dominating religion, Political Correctness.

    Right or wrong, he tackles many important and interesting subjects.

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  74. Usually Lurking — 73

    “Just calling it “BS” doesn’t suddenly make it wrong. Granted, him saying doesn’t suddenly make it right. Either way, it has certainly touched a nerve with you.”

    Sailer’s stuff, or much of it, including the two pieces on interracial marriage among various races in America, are not just his intuition, but rather the product of his statistical data mining, no doubt following an intuitive hunch.

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  75. Usually Lurking 73–

    Also Sailer has a major applied statistics background. Before becoming a journalist and then a web journalist, he worked in the statistical side of market research at a major Chicago corporation – or service firm for them.

    No doubt there’s education behind that. Went to Rice I think. Sure he took statistics classes. But anyway, most smart and accomplished people learn more after college than before. College is more a sorting mechanism than anything else. But yeah, not only that.

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  76. on September 6, 2008 at 7:42 pm Usually Lurking

    Doug, fair enough, but, the pieces that Chic referred to were less statistical in nature, like, why Blonde men (in movies) are either pretty boys or bad/evil.

    It is possible that the assertion could be backed up with stats, but, it is more like “you either see it or you don’t” kind of thing.

    Like I said, I personally think that Sailer is a national treasure.

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  77. “Steve’s BS about muscularity among different races, and how it’s the reason why Asian women prefer white men over Asian men. Also, his BS about blond white men not being attractive because they are not heavily featured in Hollywood movies anymore. Any very pale skin and Nicole Kidman is a top actress because her skin is very light.

    Just calling it “BS” doesn’t suddenly make it wrong. Granted, him saying doesn’t suddenly make it right. Either way, it has certainly touched a nerve with you.”

    I would like to that the interracial dating preferences in the US can not always be generalised for the rest of the world. There are 100’s of tribes of blacks, with slavery they were not brought to all of the new world in the same proportions. The US may be heavy in Tribe A, Brazil may be heavy in Tribe B etc. Also, some nationalities are more represented in US whites than others, and this may also vary with social class an area.

    For example in Holland, white men are a good deal taller than black men, about half of all black men and women marry a white person and most are open to dating out of race. It will be much easier here for a white guy to get a black girlfriend than in the US. A man from Somalia, who is short with feminine facial features (Round face, small nose, full lips) and is likely an asylum seeker will get less play with white women than a tall, thin lipped, square faced American black expat.

    Fashion also has an influence in that dating a fashionable race is like dating someone who has many suitors, but this only works if the person is fairly attractive already. For example, the media could popularize German men over American men by displaying lots of German male/Dutch female couples and creating many German heroes, but I doubt that would work to make Somalian men more attractive then American men.

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  78. @2 shesaidno: Do you know what is entailed with being a “community organizer” among America’s poor ethnic groups? Tom Wolfe explained community organizers a long time ago. Go read it. Republican operatives ought to read Wolfe’s piece.

    @58 michael: Megan McArdle is a pretty hard core libertarian who wants everyone to be as rational as she is. Her statement about populists and war mongers is all about her libertarianism. She wants people to arrive at their political beliefs through rational analysis. She’s frustrated by instincts. The desire to go bomb someone is all about testosterone.

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  79. DA answers somebody:

    why every woman should wait until she’s 35 and out of grad school before having 1.2 children and a chihuahua!

    Why shouldn’t we aspire to the “true white” people lifestyle?

    Because that lifestyle results in extinction.

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  80. The cold weather and the oil money make the government loopy and corrupt.

    How the hell does cold weather make a government loopy and corrupt?

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  81. Chic Noir, I hope none of that long comment of yours was directed at me. I was trying to suggest that there are specific historical reasons in the United States that make the descendants of early (black) African slaves, and the descendants of early white European settlers, suspicious of each other. Newcomers often, but not always, adopt the cultural attitudes of the racial group to which they belong, but they can’t as easily adopt the hostility because their assumptions are different.

    In other words, it doesn’t surprise me that black Americans might do better in France than recent black immigrants from Africa, esp. if the latter are Muslims.

    clio

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  82. UL said:Right or wrong, he tackles many important and interesting subjects.

    Yes but he is making a lot of it up. The muscular thing hit me because it was obvious he was telling lies and making it up as he went along.

    5’10 may be what you will find in the Midwest. I think that’s where most of the Scandinavians settled when they came to America. I am as tall, and often taller than many men when I walk down the street. If I add stilettos, I am taller than most men

    @ clio – no, not at all Clio. However, will you further explain the last two sentences in your paragraph above?

    In other words, it doesn’t surprise me that black Americans might do better in France than recent black immigrants from Africa, esp. if the latter are Muslims

    btw, I agree with the first paragraph

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  83. @dougjnn-Didn’t Bush graduate from Yale?

    Yours Truly- I am glad you made the point about how the media influences people because it plays a large part in who & what we find beautiful. BTW, a large number of the slaves who went to Brazil were of Yoruba(Nigerian) origin. We also had a large number of Nigerian(Yoruba and Ibo) brought into the US. Africans were separated by tribe before being loaded. The captains and shiphands* wanted to decrease the likelihood that the Africans would communicate amongst themselves to overthrow the captain and shiphands*.

    I’ve been to Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and it struck me how many BW/WM relationships I saw there. The men didn’t look afraid to walk down the street holding hands with the blk girlfriends either. I never really looked at fair colored men until I saw Dutch men. They are very tall and often very good-looking. Much better than wht American men. One of the reasons I don’t ride the men here about their preference for Eastern European& Ethiopian women is because I’ve noticed that some Europeans are on average, better looking than wht Americans.

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  84. whiskey said:Obama’s hatred of his white part and his self-discovery as the “Angry Black Man” (while taking part of his hard working White Granny’s money to send him to schools) is well documented. Early on he was not seen as “Black Enough” in the campaign, but that changed with Wright. Which put him over with Blacks, killed him with Whites.

    I see you believe everything you read.

    So in the early part of his campaign, he wasn’t blk enough but in six months all the blks decieded he was???

    What does Rev Wright have to do with anything. Is he not lighter in complexion than Obama??? Yes, about 3-4 shades lighter than Obama, so how could he put him over. Harold Ford is even lighter but has two blk parents so what does that mean???

    @Joel-

    Haiti- They were killed because they were slaveowners and overseaers. Not all haitain whts were killed.

    Liberia- Yes both sides were nasty. blk Americans mistreated native Liberians from the onset.

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  85. chic, i have a serious question for u. would u be for voluntary eugenics?

    what i am referring to are where parents are allowed to screen and/or alter their kids’s genes at the zygotic or post-zygotic stage (basically, that means before delivery) to prevent medical pathology, psychopathology and yes, even modify ‘normal’ traits like facial morphology, height, skin color, eye color, hair texture and of course, IQ. we allow abortion which is arguably a greater impact on the developing embryos anyway.

    i want to preempt ur answer by suggesting that regardless of what u believe, this stuff will happen because other countries like china or india will likely be able to do in the imminent future even if america and europe do not.

    also, i don’t mean forced eugenics where people do what they don’t want to do. that’s naziism and will likely involve bloodshed. i’m talking about allowing parents to produce ‘better’ humans of any race.

    i don’t fear this idea.

    more people will simply be like tall models with high IQ’s in the imminent future.

    less unfortunates will be born to suffer, and that’s a good thing.

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  86. Chic Noir, what I meant by those two last sentences was that black Americans in France don’t arrive there with the same suspicions of the white people and institutions around them, none of which are tainted by a recent and direct association with slavery and segregation (though of course France enslaved Africans in its colonies), and meanwhile, they are able to make use of their longstanding adaptation to European culture to succeed. An African fresh out of Africa, though he/she may well have a strong work ethic and be eager to succeed, will find the atmosphere far more foreign and harder to understand. At least, I imagine that that would be the reason why black Americans could adapt better than Africans to life in France or another European country. Plus, they former are more likely to be Christian than Muslim, which also helps diminish suspicion.

    Clio

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  87. Cnic Noir–

    ” I wasn’t around during the 50s and 60s but I have been called the n-word”

    I wouldn’t be surprised if I’ve been called “cracker” by blacks more often than you’ve been called “n word” by whites. It esp. happened sometimes when in racier venues with my then girl friend, a very hot Puertoricania. I’m talking about Manhattan.

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  88. At the risk of irritating people, could I suggest breaking into separate posts stuff addressed to different people.

    I can’t be alone in checking most of all to see if anyone’s responded to me, and I tend to stop looking for that purpose after I see someone else being addressed. Whether I scan though anyway depends.

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  89. on September 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm Usually Lurking

    I think that’s where most of the Scandinavians settled when they came to America. I am as tall, and often taller than many men when I walk down the street. If I add stilettos, I am taller than most men

    Fine, but if we are talking about total averages, I am pretty sure that he was right on. America has gotten shorter via immigration.

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  90. @Clio- good points and I agree. France did have some slave colonies outside of Africa, Haiti for one.

    @Freak show- Let me think on it a little while longer before I give you answer because I can’t say yes or no at this time.

    @UL- I don’t doubt that immigration may have taken the average down but on average, American men are not tall. I think the same could be said of the Netherlands. I am 5’9.5 and the average woman is suppose to be 5’8 but I saw many women who were clearing 6 feet. The blks, Asians, and Southern Europeans I can across where much shorter than the average Dutch person. I really take a weird sort of pride in being tall but in the Netherlands, I was average at best.

    @dougjnn- I usually break my comments up if I am responding to different people. It makes it much easier to read.

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  91. @clio- France also holds a special place in the hearts of blk Americans because of Josephine Baker, and the stories that returning WWII vets had about Paris. Some vets stayed in France because they didn’t want to return to the racial hell that was the United States during that time.

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  92. on September 10, 2008 at 1:20 pm Usually Lurking

    I don’t doubt that immigration may have taken the average down but on average, American men are not tall.

    American Men, used to be, the tallest in the world. After World War II, the amount and type of nutrition increased for Western Europe and they caught up quickly. Now, Denmark is the tallest with other Western European nations not too far behind.

    The two immigration acts in America in 1965 and 1986 had a big effect on our average height.

    But, going back to, say, the Great War when France was very French and England was very English and we were very American, we were noted as being significantly taller and stronger than the Europeans.

    Things have since changed. Now, we are just fatter.

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  93. on September 10, 2008 at 1:21 pm Usually Lurking

    Also, Chic, I was under the impression that France was becoming worse and worse for dark skinned people. That is, that France is now much less open to diversity than they once were.

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  94. Europeans have been convinced to accept immigration with endless repetition of the “we’re all the same under the skin” line and the explanation that white racists are behind all the problems in the US. Since it’s not really working out like that, people will be searching for other explanations. The field is more fertile for radical beliefs than it ever has been.

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  95. “I’ve been to Amsterdam and Rotterdam, and it struck me how many BW/WM relationships I saw there. The men didn’t look afraid to walk down the street holding hands with the blk girlfriends either. I never really looked at fair colored men until I saw Dutch men. They are very tall and often very good-looking. Much better than wht American men. One of the reasons I don’t ride the men here about their preference for Eastern European& Ethiopian women is because I’ve noticed that some Europeans are on average, better looking than wht Americans.”

    I haven’t been in the US, so I don’t really know what most white american men look like in reality. The average guy my age is about 6’2″, blond and slim. So if that is your type this is a good place. Especially young people ride bicycles so few people are out of shape.

    Are Americans afraid to walk with a person of the different race? What are they afraid of?

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  96. Yours truly 95–

    Are Americans afraid to walk with a person of the different race? What are they afraid of?

    Not at all. Not remotely. Happens all the time.

    It’s just that with notable exceptions, and chic noir from even her small pics looks to be one of the exceptions, the black women we have in the US, almost all of west african extraction, are by and large not very attractive to whites or other races/ethnicities here, such as hispanics/latinos or Asians.

    Black men are attractive to white and hispanic women (not much to asian women, to big an aggressiveness etc gap) but more as short term sex partners or relationship adventures, than marriage partners. Black men have a very bad reputation as being providers, particularly long term reliable ones, or in staying even close to faithful. And white American women demand total faithfulness in marriage and usually in long term relationships, as the world knows. Hope posted a comment to another posting show that less than 1% of white marriages are to blacks, and that’s more than 2 to 1 in the bm/wf direction.

    There is also the very big problem that black American culture remains VERY hostile to white culture. The reverse is not true, though there does remain quite a lot of differential fearfulness re: crime, which is not remotely without foundation. I could give you lots of stats. So the spouse of a black white marriage would be spending a whole lot of time on the defense and apologizing, particularly the male spouse, with his spouse, her friends, and relatives. Blacks have used victimology culture, created and sustained by white leftists for not only black equalization in rights but also results (as well as the results of other victim groups like women and certain other minorities but not others) to extract more special treatment. Victimology is also used by blacks and leftists to prevent any blame shifting (at least by those outside the black community). No asking “well what are you lot doing for yourselves, I mean collectively, to rise up in relative terms more than you have”, in school, work and so on. Blaming “the victim” is a cardinal taboo in victimology. It’s unheard of and unspeakably fascist. Thus the jocking for designated victim status.

    This “liberal guilt” is really a status display by white people to disparage “proles” who don’t get it and have a more common sense attitude towards individual and race relations. You know like reciprocity within a foundational framework of equal (and not privledged) rights for anyone. Not even so called victims. Well, not even proles can always manage to think QUITE this clearly, the leftist media indoctrination throughout the leading parts of the west is so thorough.

    On another note, there are quite a few black men who post regularly on this site. VK, T (of theRawness blog) and others. They aren’t complaining about their ability to pull white girls. I imagine they clean up.

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  97. Yours truly 95–

    I’m curious what country you’re in. (Giving your country is not i think going to give your real world identity away.)

    I’ve kinda been gleaning that you might be a muslim women with western sympathies, but by no means into libertine pre marital sex. Perhaps Lebanese living elsewhere, in Europe or I don’t know, lots of Lebanese in S. America and Africa. And America but you’re not here.

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  98. @UL- I thought I read somewhere that Holland had the world’s tallest people. Maybe I am wrong, I will check it out. I think one of the reasons people in Holland are so tall is because of their consumption of dairy products. Cows milk has a tendency to make people very tall. The Dinka in Sudan and the Masai from Kenya are often very tall, both ethnic groups have diets that are largely based around cow’s milk.

    Things have since changed. Now, we are just fatter.
    Very sad but very true 😦

    Also, Chic, I was under the impression that France was becoming worse and worse for dark skinned people. That is, that France is now much less open to diversity than they once were.

    @Ul -for brown-skinned Muslims from North Africa, it is. The French are not willing to fully integrate them, and provide them with opportunities to advance in the society. The Ecole, which is the where the most intelligent of France’s students go, is largely closed off to non whites. Graduating from the Ecole almost always guarantees a good life in France. I wonder if the dumb but rich can buy their way in as they do at the American Ivies?

    @jaakkeli-Are you from Finland?

    YT- I loved how people used bicycles to go everywhere. If more Americans rode bikes when going short distances, the gas prices would come down. I noticed that no one wore helmets like we do in America. I read that the Dutch overall have a lower body weight, and a lower percentage of its citizens have type II diabetes than a few of its neighboring countries. BTW, I like all types of men but prefer blk and Asian.

    It is so difficult to explain the race situation to non-Americans. I think the large problem is a percentage of white Americans who have never really taken the time to read about the History and culture of African-Americans unless its written by someone who is not blk/African-American. As you see you here, some still believe 200-year-old stereotypes about the larger group.

    When I visited the Netherlands, the one thing that really struck me was how no one followed me around the stores when I went shopping. In the states, a lot of blks will have stories of being followed stores and treated like thieves when shopping

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  99. There is also the very big problem that black American culture remains VERY hostile to white culture

    doujan said:the black women we have in the US, almost all of west african extraction, are by and large not very attractive to whites or other races/ethnicities here, such as hispanics/latinos or Asians

    you see, the blk women I saw in France(Senegal&west Indies) and Holland are largly of West African extraction too. It’s more than not being attracted to them. It is largly to do with the social stigma that is attached to blks in the United States.

    Crime in the blk community is largly related to those who use and sell drugs. Also, until recently, those convicted of selling crack cocaine faced harsher sentences than those selling powerdered cocaine. Crime is not a genetic problem.

    There is also the very big problem that black American culture remains VERY hostile to white culture

    doujan said:the black women we have in the US, almost all of west african extraction, are by and large not very attractive to whites or other races/ethnicities here, such as Hispanics Latinos or Asians

    you see, the blk women I saw in France(Senegal & West Indies) and Holland are largely of West African extraction too. It’s more than not being attracted to West African women. The larger problem is the social stigma that is attached to blks in the United States.

    Crime in the blk community is largely related to those who use and sell drugs. Also, until recently, those convicted of selling crack cocaine faced harsher sentences than those selling powered cocaine. Crime is not a genetic problem.

    There is also the very big problem that black American culture remains VERY hostile to white culture
    Please explain in detail.

    So the spouse of a black white marriage would be spending a whole lot of time on the defense and apologizing, particularly the male spouse, with his spouse, her friends, and relatives
    Which spouse the blk or the wht?

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