Gay Men Have Game

Alpha males and gay men have a lot in common. They know how to playfully jive with women. This is why there are so many fag hags in the cities. It’s not the shopping or in-depth color wheel knowledge that chicks love about gay men; it’s the teasing they get from them that they sorely miss from the straight men they date.

If you listen to a conversation between some gay guys and their chick friends, you’ll notice that the gays almost never answer a girl’s questions or discussion tangents logically. They will nearly always take the path of evasion, obfuscation, wit, teasing, cocky misdirection or backhanded compliments (aka negs). For example (drawn from real life):

GIRL: Is it a long walk from the train to the club?

GAY FRIEND: Don’t worry, shorty, your six inch marry me heels won’t break.

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GIRL: Why are we eating there? I heard their pizza was terrible.

GAY FRIEND: There’s a froyo place right next door if you need to eat healthy.

***

GIRL: I don’t think we’ll make this movie in time.

GAY FRIEND: Oh, you’re one of those who has to see every preview or you feel sad.

Girls lap this shit up. They can’t get enough of men who don’t take them seriously. And gays are great at not taking girls seriously, even the most beautiful girls, likely because they aren’t physically attracted to them. (How gays act around each other is a mystery to your humble host. Perhaps they become more tongue-tied.)

Now let’s rearrange those above examples to show how they would sound if a straight beta male was replying to the girl, instead.

GIRL: Is it a long walk from the train to the club?

BETA: [excited to be spoken to by a cute girl] No, it’s not bad. Maybe five minutes.

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GIRL: Why are we eating there? I heard their pizza was terrible.

BETA: Really? They’re supposed to be the best pizza in the city.

***

GIRL: I don’t think we’ll make this movie in time.

BETA: It’ll be close, but we can do it if we leave now.

As you can see, these interactions have none of the flirty vibe that characterized the original conversational snippets. In these, the beta is answering logically, the way he would want to be answered if he was asking the same questions of a girl. But what the beta doesn’t realize is that girls don’t think like him. They don’t think like him AT ALL. Girls despise logic and straight answers, because it sucks all the fun and unpredictability out of life, and girls need fun injected into their lives because they don’t have the creative chops to make fun themselves. So they lean on gay men or cocky alpha males to generate the fun for them. Oh, sure, girls can mimic logical thinking at the office, but that’s just an act. Once they get home, they revert to their more favored natural state: EMOTIONAL AMPLIFICATION BIOFEEDBACK.

And it’s not a one-way street between girls and their gay male friends. Gay guys expect just as much entertainment out of their chick friends as the girls have come to expect from their gay friends. You will often hear of gay friends unceremoniously cutting off contact with a dumbfounded girl because she became too boring to hang out with. This puts pressure on the girls to SEEK THE APPROVAL of their gay male friends, something girls desperately wish they would need to do with their straight male suitors. Why do they wish this? Because it is natural for a girl to seek the approval of a powerful social peer, whether that peer is a friend or a lover. Women, as the submissive sex, feel more comfortable seeking the approval of others rather than having their approval sought, much like a dog feels more at ease following a strong owner who has trained it to obey.

The man who can awaken and amplify a woman’s emotions until her electrified feelings are ricocheting off every tendril of her body is the man who holds access rights to her pussy. Stop thinking logically to seduce women. Train your brain to think in the female mode, where nothing is off-limits to silliness and questions are merely props to demonstrate social mastery. It is the rare time indeed that a woman wants a banal question answered seriously and in the full, and won’t appreciate a playful deflection to more emotionally-charged topics.

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Preemptive hater rebuttal

A reader might reasonably ask: “If gays have natural game with women, then why aren’t women sexually attracted to gay men?” Ah, but more than a few chicks ARE attracted to their GBFs. It’s such a well-known phenomenon that the meme has polluted chick shows all over TV. It’s not the whole picture, though. Plenty of girls have no tingles for their gay friends. Despite the preponderance of evidence that girls swoon for men with verbal facility, don’t forget that girls are also drawn to a masculine essence. Gay men’s voices are too musical and lilting, and their body language too feminine and graceful, to project an adequate level of raw masculinity that zooms straight to the beating, blushing heart of the pussy. A straight man, with his masculine posture, slow, rhythmic cadence, and stoic countenance poised to sudden violence who co-opts the gay man’s conversational playfulness, is irresistible to women.

So don’t think that you have to sacrifice your Dirty Harry-esque repose to play the gay man’s game of insouciant teasing. Like any master seducer, you merge seemingly contradictory behaviors and attitudes and capture your prey with a trap of their own making.





Comments


  1. Interesting article and observation.

    I think two of the other reasons gay guys can be attractive to women are that they are unavailable (the scarcity principle comes into play), and detached from the outcome, two characteristics they share with alpha males. Betas care way too much about the outcome of interactions with women, and make themselves super-available, and therefore come across as needy and unattractive. Gays and alphas are alike in these regards. Both will allow themselves to be funny, witty, and come up with great negs because they just don’t care what the girl thinks about them. Betas are too hung up on impressing women.

    Now, see how a gay guy acts around a guy he likes, and the story would likely be different.

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  2. Yup. There is no benefit in giving direct answers.

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  3. Nice post, but you are generalizing. ..about gay men that is. Not all of them have good game with women, a lot of them are unable and are unwilling to deal with women.
    I think gay men gaming women is a learned skill, just like regular game.

    Oh. And game works in the gay community too, the more feminine of the gay men respond to game much like women.

    But the point of the post if a good one. Tease, tease tease!

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  4. holy SHIT. heartlesste just explained the phenomena of girl bloggers to me

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  5. Awesome post! This one needs to be printed up and taped to my mirror! Recall it was david DeAngelo who used a dog training book to explain how to interact with women. I am a dull as dirt BETA!! I am bright enough to know it,and shit like this hits home. I am so EARNEST! This gay guy was once negging the hell out of a little cutie I liked. I got him in private and remonstrated him to be nice,as he hurt the girls feelings. I always wondered why i ddint get–you know–“something” out of defending the gils honor!!

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  6. Tease girls until they cry… don’t engage in any Q&A initiated by a woman–answer their questions with a question/joke response/mock/tease them. Never, ever take a woman seriously. Never fear losing a woman or her attention–just the reverse, have them fear your leaving–their losing you. Playfulness all the time.

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  7. So I have to act like a faggot to get laid?

    [Editor: I see the preemptive hater rebuttal experiment has failed.]

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  8. “Girls despise logic and straight answers, because it sucks all the fun and unpredictability out of life,”

    No, because they are stupid, in the sense they are brain insufficient.

    The disaster is they can afford it today. But yesterday:

    GIRL: there is a dinosaur chasing us
    BETA CAVEMAN: let’s escape this way

    GIRL: there is a dinosaur chasing us
    GAY CAVEMAN: well your blood can match your lipstick

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  9. on June 13, 2011 at 4:59 pm Emma the Emo

    One time I was asking questions and the guy answered them fast, to the point, and with no facial expression. I thought he was being aloof alpha and left him alone.

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  10. What’s not to love? It’s a game they love to play, only they can’t lose because there’s nothing at stake.

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  11. @Anonymous
    As you say, FOR THEM, there is nothing at stake. Because beta orbiters are a dime a dozen. This for some reason hit home for me.

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  12. @Traveller

    In that particular case, she’ll want the guy that can save her ass and make her feel safe.

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  13. Oh, sure, girls can mimic logical thinking at the office, but that’s just an act.

    FTW.
    Reminds me of Madmen, “it’s like watching a dog play piano.”
    From what I’ve observed, I thought the faghag symbiote was forged on celebrity gossip but Heartsies analysis makes sense.

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  14. Not all gay guys are like yet. It’s only the traditional camp ones that get your attention though.

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  15. Here’s my new plan: The next time I’m trying to bed some girl, I’ll first psych myself into thinking what I *really* want is to suck a nice juicy cock. (Homer Simpson style) Mmmmm . . . . juicy cock . . .

    With this new attitude, conversation will be effortless!

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  16. Jokes aside, this is a brilliant post. The gay guy is the truly aloof asshole.

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  17. And they’re vulnerable to the Rationalization Hamster, too. Check out “bug chasing”…

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  18. GAY GAME, FTW!

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  19. I think its more that gays act like women and women like hanging around with women that aren’t a threat to their alpha cock access. And also good game sometimes overlaps with acting like a woman

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  20. One of my first business partners is a gay man, we combined businesses when I was 18. He’s still a good pal, and I attribute a good portion of my attitude with women and clients to picking up his born-alpha traits.

    He’s very masculine, still gets tons of IOIs from young women, and never tells them he’s gay — he just super negs them as if they’re not good enough for him. It’s mesmerizing to see a typical hamsterhead spin and squeak when he denies them attention or answers.

    He’s not a bad wingman either, because he definitely loves to screw with the minds of women.

    Some of my common responses are lifted from years of hearing him repeat them to women or customers. “I believe it” is something I use frequently. A good unattentive face works best.

    “We’re going to be late to the movies.” “I believe it.”

    “Can you tell me where the train station is, I think I’m lost.” “I believe it.”

    “I’d like you to take me to dinner once in awhile.” “I believe it.”

    “I think I love you.” “I believe it.”

    “I want you to meet my folks.” “I believe it.”

    Gay game is just game. There’s no difference, especially if the gay man doesn’t have feminine attributes, which can lessen the strength of the game somewhat.

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  21. “i believe it” is gold. haha. thanks for adding that to my repertoire.

    any short pithy remark that can be interpreted in either direction is manna for dealing with women.

    just like “it’s complicated” or “ok”.

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  22. Paging Dr. GBFM, we need 2 cc’s of Butthex in DC, er, the Chateau, er, The Heartistary(?)

    I bet I know what else might work- gaudy costume jewlery, furry hats, and eyeliner- oh wait…

    At least we have the homo birthrate almost matched.

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  23. Julian: I’ve been using “that’s complicated” for years. I’ve heard PUA types trying “It’s complicated” only to immediate dive into a non-complicated explanation. My form of “that’s complicated” points at their question versus my situation. Since I immediately change subject, “That’s complicated. Every think about why some crazy girls get all riled up about gay rights?” It causes them to self reflect on their question while also becoming more curious about me.

    Another short-but-sweet response is “and?”. That one especially gets them flustered, but it can be too high school if overused. Save it for rare occasions.

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  24. “So don’t think that you have to sacrifice your Dirty Harry-esque repose to play the gay man’s game of insouciant teasing. Like any master seducer, you merge seemingly contradictory behaviors and attitudes and capture your prey with a trap of their own making.”

    Yeah, just like these guys:

    http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/hover-hand-10.jpg%3Fw%3D500%26h%3D407%26crop%3D1

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  25. on June 13, 2011 at 7:43 pm Bill Brasky

    I hung out with a 9 over the weekend, along with her flamer friend she brought along (I know…but the social proof of being around her at a bar is worth it)

    Watching them chat back and forth like little girls was eye opening.

    If there is anything to emulate about a prissy flambouyant homo who makes a chick feel “safe”, I have a hard time separating it from the rest.

    I thought I had a point here…

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  26. best post in a while. well said

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  27. “A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her.”

    -Oscar Wilde.

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  28. While dissecting the interaction can be interesting, it is the frame of mind of both alphas and gay men that is the source of their game: they don’t give a shit, they know that women are amoral creatures exploiting beta’s weaknesses for profit, and they don’t consider women as their equals.

    You can’t fake the attitude unless you have the frame of mind. Just like men can detect the slightest sign of aging on a woman’s face, women can detect the frame of mind of a high-status man with options. Millions of years of evolution have ensured that they can’t be fooled.

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  29. on June 13, 2011 at 8:05 pm Bill Brasky

    And Tom nails it

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  30. on June 13, 2011 at 8:15 pm Chris from Dublin

    At last, the Chateau tries to explore fagland, that alternative universe which has never seemed to impinge on this site until my previous posts.

    A good post but don’t generalise about “lithpy voithes”.
    A lodda fags are very butch men indeed. These ones drive the bitch hamster insane.

    These fags are, like the post says, well able to do the banter that chicks adore but also equally good at “shut the fuck up”.

    Only today I was at a deli in Dublin. A gang of teens from two local high schools (single gender) were congregating outside. The boys and girls were standing at separate sides.
    The owner was moaning that none of the girls had bought anything but were all using her chairs outside the deli, like a picnic area. “Don’t worry,” I said, “watch this”.

    I took my coffee, went outside to the girls and said “if you ladies aren’t planning on buying anything shift your asses and let me sit down”. The hottest looking one said “there’s seats over there”.

    Me: “I don’t give a fuck, I want to sit here and you’re holding things up. You’re not buying anything. Move.”

    The hot chick got up and went into the deli. I sat down among all the others. They looked really shocked, then got up and left. Full table to myself. In twenty seconds.
    I put my feet up on another chair.

    Hot chick returns.

    “now you’re sitting in my place” she said.

    “No, I got it first”.

    “Youre just being a wanker*” (European English for jerk)

    “Yeah? And?”

    She stood rooted to the ground.

    Me: “are you still here?”

    she sits down beside me and mimics the cocky way I’m sitting. Nobody called me a fag.

    Meanwhile ALL the boys are watching this, in complete silence.

    Finally she loses her temper, calls me a wanker and goes over to the boys in a fury.
    Some other boys come on the scene and she tells them what I’ve done. She seems to think they’re going to white knight for her …..

    And they do nothing!!

    They just stared at their feet.

    When I finished the coffee I went into the shop.
    She rushed and took my seat.

    The deli owner was in awe. She now thinks I walk on water.

    Golden rule: CHICKS DIG JERKS.
    The hotter the chick, the nastier the jerk has to be.

    Golden rule: assess chicks not on what they say but what they do.

    Who got all the harem to move?
    Who got under that hot princess chick’s skin?
    Who neutered all the schoolboys?
    Who got hot chick to sit beside him and mimic his body language?
    Who put all the white knights to shame?

    And finally – who gave a hot fifteen year old her biggest gina tingle ever, in ten seconds of toolery?

    That’s right – the FAG!!

    😉

    this whole story is entirely true.

    [Editor: Great story. And, yeah, it’s true… the hotter and younger the chick, the more they crave the attentions of an asshole.]

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  31. ITT: The chateau authors are trying to turn people gay.

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  32. “In that particular case, she’ll want the guy that can save her ass and make her feel safe.”

    What makes a girl feel safe is merely tangential to actual safety. Yes, actual safety is important, but beta is a social deficiency, not a physical or mental deficiency. A beta can be perfectly adept at kicking dinosaur ass, he just lacks the social chops to leverage that into getting the girl.

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  33. on June 13, 2011 at 9:29 pm namae nanka

    “A GAY venue in Collingwood has won the right to ban women to ensure its patrons are not subjected to attempts by predatory females to turn them straight.”

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/collingwoods-sircuit-bar-wins-right-to-ban-women/story-e6frf7jo-1226072643723

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  34. Gay guy here, long time reader of The Chateau. I avoid women, even as friends, but I use game to get guys who are far younger and hotter than me. It’s frighteningly easy. Same basic principles involved: keep them guessing, unsure.

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  35. At some point you have to be yourself. Fake till you make it is nice concept, but it’s tough be someone you’re not.

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  36. I’m sure this is where the old female complaint comes from: “All the good guys are either taken or gay!”

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  37. I had a gay roommate who was overcoming his fundamentalist upbringing. For all his inner turmoil about accepting himself who he was, in spite of how his parents and God will hate him and send him to hell, he still was a neg-machine. His negs wore my patience thin, and yet…

    A really cute girl wanted to have sex with him, despite his reluctance. When he told me and a natural alpha male about his predicament, the natural who knew her said, “Come on, you need to do this for me!” I looked at her pictures and agreed with the natural after carefully examining her after almost three seconds. Seriously, the only thing unattractive about her was how the edge of her right eyebrow puffed out a bit. She was extremely cute, feminine and apparently a wonderful musician.

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  38. /
    Traveller

    “Girls despise logic and straight answers, because it sucks all the fun and unpredictability out of life,”

    No, because they are stupid, in the sense they are brain insufficient.

    The disaster is they can afford it today./

    Exactly my though as I read the post. Good post, though.

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  39. I think I threw up a little … after seeing that Slutwalk photo. Why is it that the so called “slut walk” women are always ugly and fat?

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  40. on June 13, 2011 at 10:12 pm Born Again Atheist

    @ Gay Guy:

    You don’t need game to fuck other guys, especially if they’re young and hot. Unlike women, guys love to fuck 24/7 and they will fuck you hard on the spot at the drop of a hat. It’s so easy to attract young, hot guys in their twenties. All you have to do is flash your dick in public and the guys will come running. You only need game for women because women hate sex, unless you got the cash to pay for it.

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  41. on June 13, 2011 at 10:17 pm Born Again Atheist

    I’m sure this is where the old female complaint comes from: “All the good guys are either taken or gay!”

    It’s always the 300 lb fat bitches with 10 kids and a trailer park for a home who always talk like this.

    Most women are delusional when it comes to their actual sexual market value.

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  42. The sample beta answers about this-that-and-the-other situation are deceptive.

    Example:

    GIRL: I don’t think we’ll make this movie in time.

    BETA: It’ll be close, but we can do it if we leave now.

    Tone, circumstances, and details determine whether this answer is beta or not. If the guy says the abovet, but means that he has a plan that girl doesn’t know about (yet) to get to the movie on time, and executes it, with her following along and watching the plan unfold as she’s swept along, it’s not beta.

    One could compose similar response for the other examples.

    Roissy’s analysis often provides accurate predictions of how American women behave, but his examples (whether allegedly real or hypothetical) are often problematic or more complicated than his readers may realize.

    Solidity, control, and management of (any) challenging situation (even when the stakes are minor) are alpha.

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  43. on June 13, 2011 at 10:39 pm thefrollickingmole

    A little off topic but this article is the essence of Alpha distilled in a man written off as “too short”.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003015/Nicolas-Sarkozys-ex-wife-Cecilia-Ciganer-Albeniz-watched-women-hand-phone-numbers.html

    “In a bizarre interview on American TV, the former First Lady said the 5ft 6ins French President couldn’t keep his admirers away.
    ‘They’re very much attracted to power,’ said Cecilia Ciganer-Albeniz, 53, as she discussed sex and politics on ABC.
    ‘I saw women giving him their phone number even when I was next to him.’”

    and a little more Alpha?

    “In recent years Cecilia has remained relatively quiet about her turbulent relationship with Mr Sarkozy, whom she once described as a ‘philanderer who loves no-body except himself.’ ”

    And a touch more to top it off?

    “In more sinister vein, Cecilia is now a campaigner against domestic violence against women, having complained to police about ‘brutal exchanges’ while living with Mr Sarkozy.”

    Anyone else almost see the hamster spinning in the ex-wifes head?

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  44. Impressive….
    I”m gonna see if I can observe this is in real life, I need to make some gay friends and observe them.

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  45. Holy shit, this post is awesome.

    My woman and I have been headed for a split for months now. I’ve been reading up on Game not so much to get back with her, but because I’ve decided that our split is coming with such a certainty that I basically decided I am going to be dating again soon, and had better refresh my skills.

    But I started with the gay man teasing with her, and within 20 minutes, I had her throwing herself at me. A complete 180, within minutes!

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  46. Teasing a girl has nothing to do with being gay, acting gay, or acting like a woman. Thinking on the right side of your brain instead of the logical left, has nothing to do with entering “female mode.” You don’t need to train your brain to think in female mode, because it doesn’t exist.

    When talking with your friend do you answer all his questions logically and to the point? Probably not. You’d make fun of him if he complained about his feet hurting, tell him how badly you want to fuck his sister, and call him a fag if he ordered a salad.

    The problem arises when men start thinking they need to stop acting like they want to act, and act nice in front of girls. Most of them only act nice in front of girls because they don’t know shit-all about how women act when just around their girlfriends.

    Most men would be shocked if they could be the ghost in a room full of girls.

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  47. Also chicks practice making out and giving blow jobs to their GBFs. Most alpha gay guys gets as much or more action than natural alphas. Having a gay wingman is probably the best.

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  48. This story kind of relates to this…
    Kind of embarrassing, but some people might think it is funny xD
    So back in the late 7th grade, puberty was coming on, and I started to be attracted to girls.
    My mom brainwashed me, and told me to stay away from girls (religious freak, said it was a sin to sexually like a girl, LOL).
    I never thought for myself, and listened to everything she says (you can bet I am an atheist now).

    Anyways, the hottest girl in my grade was in my spanish class.
    I was such an aloof asshole to her. I did anything to avoid talking to her, and I just ignored everything she said. Either that, or I would say smartass comments to her (like roissy’s post today).
    Every guy would compliment her, I would only make fun of her any time she talked. Girls didn’t think I hit puberty yet.
    She always tried to give me a hug, and I would physically push her (this was like every day for 3 months!)
    Then, after playing football outside, I was coming to my locker. She literally tackled me when I wasn’t looking. She was right on top of me, and I think she was about to make out with me. I physically pushed her off of me, and I told her “haha!”
    She was on the ground for like 30 seconds, just completely confused (because any guy besides me would want that). A guy asked her why she did that to me, and she was completely speechless.

    I’m just naturally an aloof asshole. I think she loved the challenge or something? She gave up once the school year was over though (I was impossible to solve). I had like no desire. Also, I looked completely average. I just didn’t give a shit about her.

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  49. What happens when you’re naturally flirty and enjoy banter, and you end up picking up chicks where you don’t want to?

    At some point, it gets tiresome. Especially when women accuse you of trying to pick them up IE, they’re attracted but it’s inappropriate and they’re upping the shit test to see how you react; fail and they out you to others.

    A buddy tells me this is the shit that has made his relationship with his daughter much, much better. it doesn’t matter if you’re trying to pick them up. It just ups your score with women.

    Most men think you’re a dick if you use it with them, though.

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  50. on June 14, 2011 at 1:00 am Survivorman

    Paradoxically, the more I learn of “game” — the less I desire one of these “6 year olds in adult bodies” in my life..

    Great article, Heartiste/Chateau/Roissy (whoever the you are at the moment), but honestly, all of this bother for a 5-second squirt?

    NOT worth the trouble!

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  51. @ Born Again Athiest.
    “You don’t need game to fuck other guys, especially if they’re young and hot.”

    Not at all true in general. Guys who are young and hot almost always prefer other young, hot guys. So if they’re out of your league (I’m a 5, they’re a 9), that’s where game makes the difference.

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  52. actually I am kinda in the boat with Gorbachev. I mean, I am overweight and almost 40, you’d think I was out of the running, right?

    but I am a talker. I talk to everyone and make stupid comments, and sometimes the girl I am with gets infuriated cause even at the grocery store girls tell me when they get off por write their phone numbers on my receipts.

    You know, I figure that she doesn’t get nearly as mad as she pretends, because usually we have great sex afterwards. Like I’d care if she got upset.

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  53. Good post. It is also very accurate in describing the cool gay/hottie dynamic. Seeing it in action in Milan in my social circles, I concur.

    The “gay game” principle applies only to alpha gays, not to those school teachers who fuck brazilian trannies in the back alleys.

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  54. @A.B. Dada I just used “I believe it” to respond to a text from a girl who told me she missed me.

    It works.

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  55. It’s all ambivalence. All the gay guys I know have tons of female orbiters because they don’t give a fuck, and all the alpha guys I know have tons of female orbiters because they don’t give a fuck. It’s human nature to derive high value from those who have little regard for you.

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  56. Yeah the women presented by the lame stream media and emulated by 80% are almost contemptible – almost “not worth my nut”. Women aren’t very smart and need to be lead. Sadly, zombie/gay Hollywood liberals are doing what men are supposed to be doing: Dennis Miller’s interview with 20 y.o. Ben Shapiro (who was mistaken for a brain dead liberal to get the scoop) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPvGJMZPsk

    While I’m here this criticism ‘Roissy’ would know well but it doesn’t hurt to hear it perhaps one more time. It’s the reason Vox Day has at most pity for Roissy: he won’t do serious business with the ultimate alpha – the great King of Kings – because he’s frightened what he might discover.

    Yeah women today are mostly contemptible (are attracted to sodomites) unless they cleave to the Biblical idea of marriage – where men lead.

    So committed Catholic ladies are the ones to seek – but you won’t hear much about them here.

    Roissy ought to get kudos for all his fine efforts in here, but as Vox Day says, he gets no cigar – he won’t leave a legacy of his own flesh and blood, he will never marry and find that one special woman who is a disciple of the archetypal (because He is the author) human.

    It’s sad that alot of these efforts are ultimately wasted and therefore put in the service of the one who seeks only slaves. 😦

    Edward Feser might help everyone to think about ultimate things – otherwise everyone in here is just acting for the anti-civilsational, femininazi, liberal cliche.

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    • on July 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm scared of divorce

      If referring to your invisible friend in Greek makes you feel better, more power to you. As long as you don’t get a little overenthusiastic, like in the Inquisition.

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  57. que

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  58. LOL the chateau’s advice is being used by gay men to get young guys. God Bless You Heartiste.

    Other contradictory behaviors that must be combined:

    Aloof + Mastery (Tyler Durden stays aloof, but remains focused. Jack Sparrow is always drunk, yet has a certain mastery over his actions)

    Negging + Charming (Make a girl feel the need to qualify herself so that when you DO give her that morsel of approval, she does a backflip. Without the neg, your charm comes off as supplication; and without the charm, your neg only harnesses the negative aspect of being a jerk)

    Attraction + Rapport (One almost always trades off with the other. Attraction > Rapport)

    Playful + Dominant (Can’t be a Jester, nor can you be so dominant that she feels uncomfortable to approach you sexually)

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  59. on June 14, 2011 at 4:10 am Another Gay Guy

    Gay Guy: I don’t think it works like that in the gay world. Guys will fuck just anything thats available when they are horny. I’m a good looking gay guy, i’d rate myself 8 with 185 cm height and athletic body and all that. I regularly fuck guys way below my league just because they happen to be available when I’m horny. I believe a lot of guys behave like me. Just like straight guys who sometimes go dumpster diving they wont be bragging about it.

    Sure there must be something like gay game out there. I think Gay Guy is at least somewhat attractive guy who has guts to talk and flirt with strangers in gay bars etc. For gay guys that is all you need to get them to your bed, for straight guys, that’s where game starts.

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  60. Attraction does indeed go up hill. In other news, the wiki article on Slutwalk just made me laugh out loud. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

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  61. @ Shark – so true. The balance has to be struck between these two dimensions (harmless playfulness and dominance).

    For example, if one was to torture their pet, the pet may be induced into a state of learned helplessness. This pet may never leave you, as it has been ‘broken in’ to what is essentially a submissive state. And in the case of a woman that has been manipulated with the type of long-haul game expoused in Roissy’s musings, you may end up with a pseudo-submissive sex slave in a cute girl. Mission accomplished.

    But on the other hand, if a man is cruel, and is cruel regularly, (and the woman/pet has options), your beloved pet may just run away and find that it gets fed elsewhere.

    There needs to be consistent affection and playfulness to balance out the dark game. This is not the same as putting women on ‘pedastals’ or being ‘nice’. It’s just offering them value and diversion from their boring lives. And the men that have the aptitude to be playful, silly and entertaining with ease and without fear, are naturals (alphas) by definition.

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  62. on June 14, 2011 at 6:00 am Chris from Dublin

    Yep, great story.
    Totally true, btw.

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  63. >Gay men’s voices are too musical and lilting, and their body language too feminine and graceful, to project an adequate level of raw masculinity that zooms straight to the beating, blushing heart of the pussy.

    Although it seems many successful PUAs do the whole GBF routine, including all the camp body language and vocal tones, and they end up getting lays from it. At first this confused me as they lacked masculine essence when they did this.

    After thinking about it more, I came to the conclusion that as long as you’re fulfilling the male role in the interaction with a woman (ie taking the lead) then this is often enough to tick the masculinity box, even if you do have some girlie mannerisms.

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  64. on June 14, 2011 at 7:30 am Trimegistus

    This is news? I remember a friend telling me thirty years ago, “Damn, I wish I was a fag. I bet those guys get tons of pussy.”

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  65. I realize that this is not relating to the above post, but I found a site called “betches love this site”. It’s the female version of the chateau and ironically agrees with most of what you say in your blog.

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  66. on June 14, 2011 at 7:37 am Vincent Ignatius

    Gay men are also good wing men, certainly better than the average straight man. Nothing disarms the fat chicks ready to cockblock like a gay man to tell them pretty lies about their great sense of style, yada, yada, yada. Bring a gay man as your wing and you’ll see her friends latch on to him while you get the target to suck your dick in the bathroom.

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  67. Cool post. Tis true and hilarious!

    Hater rebuttal? Notice the beginning of the comments where the man interpreted the post in a literal manner.

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  68. The duo of the female friend and her gay friend also serve as a shield between the undesirables and women.

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  69. @David: it’s a powerful response. Just be careful not to use *any* of the following

    1. “I bellieve it!”
    2. “I believe it :)”
    3. “I believe it <3"

    (Shudder)

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  70. Too true, I find it sort of difficult to talk to a guy who takes everything I say seriously. It’s more fun when they tease you. I was friends with a gay guy in college and he would talk just like that, he had so many girls fawning over him because he was so entertaining.

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  71. What’s up with the heartsie shit. I believe it is garbage a grunt is a trillion times better

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  72. It’s definitely an ironic sign of this era that it should require a homosexual man to educate beta men on how better to interact with the women they hope to become intimate with. All ‘gay game’ does is illustrate how utterly clueless betas are.

    What Alphas and Gays share is a common disinterest in women. A beta’s sexual meal is only coming from one source, while an Alpha (at least subconsciously) knows he can dine where he pleases, and the Gay isn’t hungry for what’s on the menu. The beta, by necessity, puts his target as a higher value – he needs her more than she needs him and this manifests in his demeanor and presence. The beta can’t afford to take the chances that an Alpha or a Gay man don’t think twice about. It’s actually this fear of experimentation that holds most chumps back from experiencing the women they want.

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  73. GIRL: Is it a long walk from the train to the club?

    DTH: Your thighs need it.
    ***

    GIRL: Why are we eating there? I heard their pizza was terrible.

    DTH: *backhand*
    ***

    GIRL: I don’t think we’ll make this movie in time.

    DTH: Keep sucking.

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  74. This is such a well-written post.

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  75. on June 14, 2011 at 12:43 pm johnnymilfquest

    Good observations. Alot of straight women love the company of gay dudes because they have the perfect trifecta.

    1. They are not thirsty to get in the woman’s panties (at all).
    2. They understand nuances and read between the lines.
    3. Gay men are witty jerks who speak their minds.

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  76. If you have abundance with women, and know you can get laid whenever you want, then it works the same way as a gay man who just isn’t interested in girls.

    It’s not that as an alpha you don’t have an interest in girls, it’s that you don’t have an interest in just ONE particular girl. If one girl isn’t making your life any easier, it’s on to the next one.

    Like I said before, a lot of men already have alpha male game, they unfortunately lose it the second they get around a woman.

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  77. Not engaging a woman logically = win for the D

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  78. Martin: You should have used the “I am the alpha and the omega” line.

    Which continues, “Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood.”

    Roissy has a difficult relationship with criticism of all kinds, whereas a true leader of men welcomes it. Don’t be exasperated. It doesn’t help that his writing talent has inspired a legion of comment courtiers (the simulated wolves in his simulated pack) who maintain his ego and thereby stunt his intellectual development.

    It’s frustrating because you can see how he might employ his considerable talents toward serious ends rather than toward gathering drinks that will make him thirst again. He would have asked, and he would have given him living water. But one has to ask. Roissy presumes himself too alpha to ask.

    Game is fake it till you make it. That means your legacy becomes fakery, and life is about playing a Game. If you have made it a habit to lie to yourself, repeating “I am Alpha” in the mirror every morning, you lose the sense of what the truest alpha might look like.

    Young men don’t think about the next day much less their “legacy.” The clock winds down for everybody. Men Roissy’s age

    [Editor: You don’t know my age, despite rumors to the contrary.]

    don’t fight a biological clock so much as a legacy clock, and they either double down on their bad youthful bets or they get real about their waning options — not unlike aging spinsters. This blog is a gas, but it is premised on an old maid’s rationalizations and resentments, like something out of Jane Austen.

    [Legacy schmegacy. When the curtain falls you will have nothing — no memories, no consciousness, no morality, no regret and no pride — to comfort you in your eternal voyage through the limitless void. The fact of your progeny or childlessness will be irrelevant once your eyes close for good.
    Given this fact,
    it doesn’t make sense not to live for fun.]

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  79. Completely wrong.

    @JohnnyM
    “1. They are not thirsty to get in the woman’s panties (at all).”

    Exactly

    @MC

    “Teasing a girl has nothing to do with being gay, acting gay, or acting like a woman. Thinking on the right side of your brain instead of the logical left, has nothing to do with entering “female mode.” You don’t need to train your brain to think in female mode, because it doesn’t exist.

    When talking with your friend do you answer all his questions logically and to the point? Probably not. You’d make fun of him if he complained about his feet hurting, tell him how badly you want to fuck his sister, and call him a fag if he ordered a salad.

    The problem arises when men start thinking they need to stop acting like they want to act, and act nice in front of girls. Most of them only act nice in front of girls because they don’t know shit-all about how women act when just around their girlfriends.

    Most men would be shocked if they could be the ghost in a room full of girls.”

    All correct.

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  80. “Gay men aren’t thirsty to get in the women’s panties.”

    Wrong.

    Alpha men aren’t thirsty. If I land a gal, or not, I don’t care. The minute I do care, the betaness comes out. In 5 years I’ve betaslipped 3 times. All 3 times were lost women, some who started out nuts for me. The less I “like” a woman, the more she typically wants in. Plain and simple.

    Thirst = eagerness = women lose interest.

    I don’t treat 9s any different than I treat anyone. If someone wants to be in my life, they better work hard for it. If they want to keep me in their lives, they better keep working hard. Clients better pay me well and on time; friends better keep their drama away; women better stay in shape and dress well and show me their affection. I have no thirst for losers, no eagerness to work harder than someone works for me.

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  81. on June 14, 2011 at 4:17 pm Chris from Dublin

    King A – are you David Alexander in disguise …

    you sad, sad omega fucker with your long rambling post of shite

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  82. Contrast is king.

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  83. A majority of gay guys aren’t ‘sassy’ or particularly socially dominant. Of course, the general population only immediately identify the over-the-top flamers with feminine voices and retinue of catty women as gay.

    My best friend is gay and doesn’t bother to game women. Of course he’s never been one to have a fag harem. He’s a friendly low-key guy with mostly masculine mannerisms and saves the game for when he’s actually trying to fuck someone.

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  84. Gay men don’t need game because penises don’t really respond to game. Gay guys can get laid without any fanfare with any guy who is willing to fuck them, just like women. On the other hand they can’t game guys into fucking them. Picture a homosexual pick up artist trying to “game” straight guys into going homo. It wouldn’t work.

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  85. btw did anyone notice that In ad campaigns (geared towards women) where they try to advertise the products through sex, you’ll also notice that the male models NEVER smile.

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  86. This underscores the “Agree and Amplify” strategy as well. She’s now taken to shit-testing by constantly pouting, it’s a kind of common trait among Chinese girls. Local guys will always succum and play it straight. At first this was disconcerting.

    My gf mentioned to me the other day she made some type of curried chicken. The exchange went something like this….

    Her: I made curried chicken.

    Me: Oh, you didn’t bring it over.

    Her: Looking surprised…. It had bones…you don’t like bones.

    Me: Putting on exaggerated voice: Thaaaaaaaaaaaats right….I hate bones, thanks for being so thoughful sweetie, thanks for not bringing it over. Always thinking of me…so thoughtful…

    Her: Stunned look.
    xxxx

    We’re eating ribs….ribs are placed in front of her. She looks at me to cut her a piece.

    I cut a bigger piece of ribs…slowly drag them across her plate, dump them on mine, then start eating them exaggerating how tasty they are while she stares.

    She is now thinking I’m a complete a-hole….

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  87. Even when I was a confused young dweeb I had massive, instinctual game when confronted with fugglies. Got my door kicked thru more than once by she-cows in lust. Not that I enjoyed it at the time.
    As to how a gay guy reacts when in the presence of a high value target, shitifano. But we all loved Rocky Horror Picture Show. Dr. Frankenfurter totally lost it for Rocky – like slobbering down on his knees.
    None of us get out of here alive.

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  88. Traveller

    “Girls despise logic and straight answers, because it sucks all the fun and unpredictability out of life,”

    No, because they are stupid, in the sense they are brain insufficient.

    The disaster is they can afford it today. But yesterday:

    GIRL: there is a dinosaur chasing us
    BETA CAVEMAN: let’s escape this way

    GIRL: there is a dinosaur chasing us
    GAY CAVEMAN: well your blood can match your lipstick

    Holy fuck I laughed hard.

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  89. Roissy wrote:

    Legacy schmegacy. When the curtain falls you will have nothing — no memories, no consciousness, no morality, no regret and no pride — to comfort you in your eternal voyage through the limitless void. The fact of your progeny or childlessness will be irrelevant once your eyes close for good. Given this fact, it doesn’t make sense not to live for fun.

    A.K.A. whistling past the graveyard. Nihilism can carry a young, intelligent man a long way before it begins to bore him, unless he is an accomplished self-deceiver.

    Where does all the energy for this blog come from, year after year after year, sending out your anonymous messages into “the limitless void”? Your actions put the lie to your nihilist pose.

    [Editor: Not at all. I get pleasure from writing blog posts about subjects that amuse me. It’s like any other pointless hobby. Hedonism encompasses more than sex.]

    Forget what you leave behind in death. No one is getting that heavy or abstract. What have you so generously given to the world today, or yesterday, or the thousand yesterdays before? It’s called “legacy” — as alive as you (still) are. No simple amusement could animate you with such focus, such consistency, such a will to charity.

    Don’t mistake me for a troll. I’m a huge fan. Without decent criticism from the peanut gallery, you’re going to start running out of material and repeating yourself. If it’s not already happening. How many obsequious orbiters can a true alpha stand anyway, and for how long?

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    • Hedonism isn’t the problem. The nihilism justifying the hedonism is the problem. It has its limits, limits you don’t acknowledge. Limits not in the short term but in the long term.

      This is true hedonism:
      http://www.avclub.com/articles/rip-seth-putnam-of-anal-cunt,57467/

      Could Seth Putnam have sustained a five-year, daily-updated writing project? There is something more going on here than a “pointless hobby.” Your project has the characteristics of a crusade. An ironic, anonymous crusade, but still a crusade. You aren’t building birdhouses in the garage and burning them before anyone can see them. You are broadcasting your value and feeding off the interplay. What’s behind that?

      You don’t have to acknowledge the limits of your animating philosophy. Few people do or even can. Rather they rationalize and retrofit, creating an illusion of consistency. You can deceive yourself and most of your groupies, but you can’t put it past all of us.

      Most men as men still want to make something of their short couple moments of existence (like women want to make babies), even though they are certain beyond any doubt that “when the curtain falls you will have nothing.” Images of a mythical afterlife didn’t inspire men to climb Mt Everest, strap themselves to a rocket, or carve out a free republic in Injun country halfway across the world. They did it because they were men. Men aren’t nihilists for very long until it bores/destroys them, and neither are you in the last analysis.

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  90. A.B. Dada said: ” If someone wants to be in my life, they better work hard for it. If they want to keep me in their lives, they better keep working hard. Clients better pay me well and on time; friends better keep their drama away; women better stay in shape and dress well and show me their affection. I have no thirst for losers, no eagerness to work harder than someone works for me.”

    Simply awesome !! You are a role model, sir.

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  91. I honestly had more Gay Guy Game when I was a brainwashed 16 year old Crazy Christian. Too bad my religion prevented me from getting laid. Now I’m developing normal real world social skills…and my Gay Guy Game is sadly lacking. The irony. Fuck.

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  92. I was out with my friend Phil, his girlfriend Michelle, and my ‘date’ (the type of slut who always had Beta-orbiters, but decided to chase me for a few nights for no outcome except her tear-jerking face of my rejection).

    At one time during our interaction, I put my hands on Phil in a manly fashion (arms on his shoulders) and told Michelle that I’m stealing him and taking him home with me (said with a lisp). That was when the girls laughed their asses off the most.

    Hey, if girls can tease guys by acting lesbian infront of us, then we can act gay to boost our male egos. We’re the sexy bitches, not them.

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  93. I don’t know if you noticed but you actually explained the underlying reasons WHY women act the way do. This is big. More please. See below.

    “Girls despise logic and straight answers, because it sucks all the fun and unpredictability out of life, and ***girls need fun injected into their lives because they don’t have the creative chops to make fun themselves***.”

    “Women, as the submissive sex, ***feel more comfortable*** seeking the approval of others rather than having their approval sought, much like a dog feels more at ease following a strong owner who has trained it to obey.”

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  94. I had massive, instinctual game when confronted with fugglies

    fuglies bring out the instinctual game in every man.

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  95. WhackJob: “Simply awesome !! You are a role model, sir.”

    Thanks, but to some it’s not all shiny, that’s for sure. One thing to consider is that when you are ballsy, you’re going to have plenty of beta males fall away from you because they think they’re white knighting for the entire planet (not a huge loss), and you’ll gain both a strong reputation and a bad one. This weekend I had a slew of male friends over at my place and one of them had the nerve to pull a cheapskate maneuver that I called him on. I tossed his ass out of my place immediately after reprimanding him (“You’re on time-out for 24 hours.”) A few of my other friends (newer friends) were really shocked, but I told them: my property, my rules. Out of that group, I’m sure a few won’t be returning with regularity, but in the long haul, I’m better off. Fewer, better people (women and men), versus larger groups of average people.

    Another aspect I recommend: don’t apologize verbally. If you screw up in a way that hurts your long term reputation or connections, fix it some other way. Whenever I verbally apologize, I end up feeling like I owe a permanent favor. This is especially true in dealing with men — something that gay guys I know taught me well through action.

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  96. @vander it’s sad in your immaturity you might have used religion to cover for unmanliness – but let’s talk seriously – how was Jesus the cause of this? Have you not read the Gospels? LOL listen to this guy. He ruled everyone.

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  97. @vander I’m sorry this was the link ‘The Cultural Victory of Hugh Hefner” http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles5/SchuchardtHefner.php – he needs to watch gay porn while two hotties are on the bed next to him. The shite offered up as real food today still gets young people like yourself eating it.

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  98. “A straight man, with his masculine posture, slow, rhythmic cadence, and stoic countenance poised to sudden violence who co-opts the gay man’s conversational playfulness, is irresistible to women.”

    It is very rare to find such men.

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  99. Thanks for the Hefner article, Martin. I think comment posts with links in them are often blocked for spam reasons. Glad yours got through.

    You can tell a porn star, male or female, by their dead eyes. Hefner is a mass murderer, a soul killer as pathetic and banal as men like Rudolf Eichmann when you get a view of them up close (Hannah Arendt, Eichmann on Trial). Hef is the patron saint of game.

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