The Difficulty Of Gaming Women By Age Bracket

The following observations apply to established adult men, post college years. Younger men still in college will find their success rate with women of various ages, particularly older women (aka cougars), highly variable. The rules for them will be different than the rules for older men.

18 to 22 year olds

Hard to believe, but it is often easier to bed a very young woman than an older woman, if you are an older man. This is because 20-40% of women are specifically attracted to older men. It is hard-wired in them, and this hard-wiring can be reinforced by poor family upbringing resulting from divorce of parents or absentee fathers. Single moms are the greatest source of future generations of slutty daughters the world has ever known.

Your goal is to identify which 18-21 year olds are amenable to being seduced by you. Since a majority will balk at the idea, you should learn to quickly identify and NEXT! them. Thankfully, most girls aren’t brazen cockteases, and will make their lack of interest known early on. Beware, though, that a small minority of barely legal rapacious golddiggers will try to keep you on tenterhooks, extracting your resources for little in return. A simple preemptive qualification should suffice to smoke them out.

You can bang an 18-21 year old surprisingly quickly because they have little ASD (anti-slut defense). This is because they do not have the long history of sluttiness common to older women which needs to be rationalized away by posturing as a paragon of chaste virtue. A young woman simply won’t perceive sex with you as an admission of sluttiness. She is innocent to herself as well as to you. Plus, actual slutty behavior has been defined down so that five partners today is equivalent to one partner thirty years ago.

Caveat to the above: although you can get the bang with an 18-21 year old very quickly, you should not prime the path to banging with obvious signs of physical escalation. There is a high risk with very young women that escalating kino will be perceived as “pervy” or “creepy”. This means no PDA, no “innocent” touching of her erogenous zones, and no raunchy sex talk. You want to keep it on the superficial friend tip until she is in your place. Then you should escalate rapidly. You’d be amazed how fast the young woman sheds her clothes when the bang is in sight. Very little foreplay is required. The sex will be, as you can imagine, the hottest you will ever have.

DO NOT EVER “DATE” an 18-21 year old. Women under 23 don’t date, they “hang out”. Anything that remotely smacks of a date — drinks at a lounge, dinner for two, day trips to a museum — will scare her off. The under-23 young woman cannot handle the “seriousness” of a dating context. This is the reality of modern America. “Dating” makes younger women think “no fun, marriage, kids, pressure, relationships, stuff that older people do”. You need to be so chill that you’re barely motivated to do anything proactive with her. Instead, “hang out” with her in a neutral context. Walks along window-browsing streets are good for this. So is meeting at a local park and talking while goofing off on the swings. You can take her to a coffee shop as long as you don’t buy anything.

DON’T BE LAME. If a 19 year old (true story) offers you an E tab in a dark corner of a loud club at 1 am, don’t refuse her like some boring fuddy duddy. Either pop that baby and enjoy the ride, or pretend to take it and throw it away when she’s not looking if you’re suspicious of the pill’s origins and purity. Push for a blowjob in the alley behind the club; plans to make future dates are a fool’s errand.

DON’T BE HER DAD. Contrary to popular misconception, most young women don’t want to date a father figure. They DO want to date a strong dominant man, and older men bring that demeanor to the table. This is why it is better to dress youthfully (if you are in shape) rather than in a sharp suit and tie if it’s much younger women you want to meet. A notable minority of younger women love the business suit look, but most of them, especially the ones on the fence about dating older men, would feel more comfortable if you projected an aura of youthfulness through your dress and attitude.

23 to 27 year olds

Similar to the 18-22 year olds in terms of difficulty of picking up, with some important differences. The 23-27 year old feels she is at her attractiveness peak, despite her peak having passed a few years earlier. This is because she is surrounded by many more high status men than she was while in college (or working at the Piggly Wiggly) who are expressing sexual interest in her. This social dynamic will work to inflate her ego beyond the bounds of her actual beauty ranking. Some consequences result from this.

NEG HARDER. The 23-27 year old will require harder negging than any other age group of women, even the hotter 18 year olds. She needs her ego punctured before her pussy will open for you. Remember that cherished maxim:

Maxim #23: The defensive crouch is where pussy tingles are born.

DEFY EXPECTATIONS. She expects you to pay her way and play the role of earnest suitor. You can’t “hang out” with the 23-27 year old like you should with the 18-22 year old without staining yourself with the immaturity label, but you shouldn’t fall into her trap of arid, sexless dating either. Arrange dates that are simple and logistically favorable. Never spend more than two drinks’ worth of money on her on a single date.

DATE CONCURRENTLY. The 23-27 is, arguably, the most in-demand woman on the market. Various social factors account for this, which will be the subject of another post. Thus, she will have the greatest self-regard. Despite your best game, you may find yourself getting flaked on by a girl in this age range. A good defense is a solid offense, so minimize the creep of neediness and desperation by dating many women at once. Do not feel guilt about fucking multiple women concurrently.

THIS IS YOUR SWEET SPOT FOR GAME. No other woman will react as positively to hardcore game as the 23-27 year old. She and her sisters will be throwing meatballs at the middle of your lineup. Aim for the fences.

28 to 30 year olds

Finally, the female ego suffers chinks in its armor. She will try hard to cover these cracks, but they’ll creep out here and there. 30 is a huge and depressing milestone for women, but 29 is an even more depressing birthday. It is the “last hurrah”, so to speak, and the number taunts her daily with reminders of her impending obsolescence. A single girl who was dumped by her boyfriend and who has just turned 29 may be the easiest girl in the world to lay. You will still need to game her, but the path to sex will be exhilaratingly fast and furious.

28-30 year olds are a mixed bunch. Some are riding a wave of career and social success that has nowhere to go but down, and their bloated egos reflect that. Others, less conventionally successful, are emotionally frazzled by the disappearing act of their heady youth and by the intractability of their singledom. You will find some of the cuntiest, and sweetest, girls in this age range.

Same rules as the ones for 23-27 year olds apply to 28-30 year olds, with the exception that negging should be tailored to the life success as well as the looks of the girl you are gaming. A 30 year old businesswoman is often harder to game than a 20 year old hipster. She will need subtle reminders that her beauty isn’t what it once was.

31 to 34 year olds

In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.) It’s counterintuitive, yes, but there are factors at work besides her declining beauty which mitigate against the easy, quick lay. For one, it is obviously harder to meet single 31-34 year old women than it is to meet single younger women. Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer, but Chateau apprentices are hard at work battling the scourge of mating market disturbances caused by the grinding and churning of the marriage machine.

But the bigger reason 31-34 year olds are harder to game than any other age group of women has to do with the wicked nexus of entitlement and self-preservation that occurs at this age in women. When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.

Note that Chateau guests aren’t necessarily complaining. A harder-to-game 33 year old is kind of like getting bumped down from a Honda Civic rental but driving off the lot with the consolation prize of a Ferrari.

Listen to any man who is good with women and they will tell you the same thing:

“I have an easier time bedding and dating 23 year olds than I do 33 year olds.”

This defies all logic until you see it through the eyes of the hamster sweating its fluffy ass off in a woman’s brain. (Poor little creature must be pooped out by the mid-30s.) Sure, a 33 year old is not as hot as the 23 year old version of herself, but her ASD is through the roof, as is her self-conception as a hot marriage-worthy commodity. Many older women will tell themselves that their experience, maturity, accomplishments and financial stability mean they should be way more valuable to men seeking wives than some young babe on the take. Of course, they have to tell themselves this because reality isn’t making it easy to believe.

These are the kind of women who have sexual flings with college guys, because they can psychologically box those men in as “purely for fun” adventures. But the men the 31-34 year old women really want are the older, established men who will give them a marriage proposal and a family. This is why it is counterintuitively harder to game the older woman who still retains a vestige of her youthful attractiveness: she wants and expects so much more than the younger woman.

Game required: Strong body language, masculine dominance, sharp suits and shoes, easy on the negs and palm reading, emphasis on the comfort stage, lots of travel stories, disqualify yourself from sex on the first date, vulnerability game, avoidance of the beta provider zone.

In short, if you can present yourself to her as different than the indistinguishable mass of sad schlumpy beta herbs who are her typical choice in available men, then you are guaranteed the lay. Just don’t expect to sleep with her on the first night. She will work hard to make your seduction as difficult and drawn out as possible.

Note: DO NOT SPEAK OF THE YOUNGER WOMEN YOU DATE to an older woman. You will be tempted to do this to demonstrate your higher value, but instead she will withdraw so fast into her ego-preserving turtle shell that no game will redeem the pickup. If the subject comes up, just tell her you’ve “dated many interesting women” and leave it at that.

35 year olds

This age gets a special mention. Why? Because 35 is the year of formal female expiration. (Informal expiration can occur many years later, depending on the woman’s genetic good luck.) At 35, most women are over the hill. An unmarried woman at 35 is officially in crisis mode. Full meltdown will happen within the year if she isn’t hitched in that time. You do not want to be in the vicinity of a woman in full meltdown mode. Full meltdown is accompanied by the acquisition of a second cat, alcoholism, cackling brunches of mimosas with equally pathetic Samantha wannabes, sloppy drunken one night stands with college age men which they will then rationalize as evidence of their enduring beauty, and a laundry list of annoying personality tics and neuroses that would comfortably provide for the retirement plans of ten psychotherapists.

Game required: “Hi”.

36 to 38 year olds

She is at peace with her spinsterhood and her failure in the dating market. She will acquiesce easily and gratefully to sex with very little game, as long as you don’t look like a grandpa. Her expectations are so low, it will be a challenge to disappoint her.

If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.

A Chateau proprietor once dated a European 37 year old for a couple of months. She looked years younger than her age, so the sex was fun and the time together was relaxed, but everything was glazed with a tint of sadness. A vow was made never to go much above 30 again.  So far, the vow remains unbroken.

39+ year olds

No Chateau proprietor has experience dating or fucking women 39 years old or older, so we cannot offer much advice for gaming women in this age range. Yes, yes, we can all hear you crying now.





Comments


  1. This is a breakthrough quote for me in understanding Hong Kong/Chinese women.

    The ASD’s especially in the 28 + group go up the minute you start gaming and they catch themselves being attracted.

    My mistake in the past was to over-game.

    Any tips on building comfort? This is an area where I’m hit and miss.

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  2. That sums what I have seen, as far as ‘unpaid’ sex is concerned. However, women above 35 also give off a lot of attitude.

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  3. “Single moms are the greatest source of future generations of slutty daughters the world has ever known.”

    Apropos of which:

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/10/outraged-moms-trashy-daughters/print/

    Feminists devalue marriage and promote meaningless sex as “empowerment”, then are baffled and outraged when their daughters are sluts.

    Look carefully in the article for any mention of husbands, fathers, or marriage. You won’t see them. Divorced careerist mom, absent or gelded dad, slutty daughter — an inevitable combination! Yet the clown who wrote this article can’t even see it.

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  4. I can imagine having to actually go out and date is a rather depressing and humiliating experience for an older women.

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  5. Best post in a while. Spot on about the “hanging out” and the 28 year old chinks in the armor.

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  6. It’s true that I felt more desirable after college because I was working with older men who were interested in me. During college you are surround by equally beautiful women.

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  7. Also..”ego-preserving turtle shell” is right up there with hamster wheel of rationalization.

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  8. “cackling brunches of mimosas with equally pathetic Samantha wannabes..”

    POETRY, MAN! Pure poetry.

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  9. I’m bookmarking this post, saving it to my favorites, then backing my favorites, followed by saving it word format to a secured memory stick and onto my backup harddrive in the bizare case that this Chateau crumbles..

    Bravo

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  10. “Marriage is still a pussy-limiting force to contend with for the inveterate womanizer”

    Only if you’ve got something against banging married women. If not, they can be reality-shatteringly easy… Beware, of course, strong doses of “red pill” this way lie 😉

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  11. “Feminists devalue marriage and promote meaningless sex as “empowerment”, then are baffled and outraged when their daughters are sluts.”
    They’re also baffled and outraged when they find themselves having to compete for men with the generation of younger slutty women they helped to create.

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  12. I’m glad I’m not a chick. And I’m glad I’m not a chump.

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  13. on August 12, 2010 at 1:44 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    I’m currently dating a 33 year old hot blonde and all that goes through my fucking mind is how this chick would throw me over the Roosevelt Bridge in a heartbeat for a decent looking wealthy lawyer/businessman.

    It’s totally fucking with my head.

    Chick banged a rich married guy before I met her. Man, you are so fucking right.

    I need to pull back.

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  14. on August 12, 2010 at 1:46 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Not to steal any thunder, but this was shockingly close to an analysis I did of “professional” women at SoSuave back in 2005.

    http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=71996

    Timeline of the Professional Woman

    At age 18 she’s progressed through high school with a high GPA and her single mother or 2 parent family (rarely is it a single father) has raised her to believe she can go far and through the financial aid avialable only for women and/or the college fund her parents planned for her she’s ready for college. Not a bad thing for a woman who’s ready to actually meet the challenges of a University and a ‘promising’ professional career.

    At age 24-26 she’s achieved a masters degree, perhaps a doctorate by 28. But, more often than not though it’s a bachelors and an expectation of professional respect in the professional world. 90% of professional women graduate with education, psychology, journalism or communication degrees. That’s not to say some don’t seek out careers in law or medicine, they do, but in far fewer numbers. Regardless of her education, her expectations are the same as her peers – once in the workplace she will be rewarded and respected. Unfortunately, in the professional world, things dont go as smoothly as her Women’s Studies teacher prepared her for. She discovers that to function as a professional she is also required to be responsible as a professional and more times than not, it’s not all that ‘rewarding’. In fact it entails a lot of rejection and a lot of hard work at the sacrifice of a personal life and personal relationships.

    At 30 she sees the girlfriends she went to college with married and having their 2nd child. She still clings to the self-affirmation that her choice requires she have, but can’t understand why she hasn’t ‘got it all’ by now. She’s single or may even be divorced at this point, but looking for that ‘professional’ and intellectual equal of masculinity that the fantasy sold her, yet it hasn’t quite worked out that way. Most guys her age don’t have the intellect she expects they should or they lack the status in their careers. Men more successful and mature aren’t interested in her since she pales in comparisson to the 22 y.o. women they seem to prefer.

    At 35 she’s achieved quite a bit in her carrer, but has no prospect for a family at this point. She enjoys reading the articles in the women’s magazines that affirm what she thinks she experiences often enough – that men her age are juvenile with ‘fragile egoes’ and only want to become involved with women in their 20’s because they are threatened by a woman who would dare to be their equal. The truth being that men are hardly juvenile at this age, but rather calculating, they have a better understanding of what they want and what is satisfying for them. Particularly professional men of the smae or higher status than she, since they have more access to being particular with the women they choose to become involved with. They are aware that the 35+ y.o. professional woman’s personality has been shaped by 12-15 years of expectations of ‘having it all’ and they are aware that she is generally not a good candidate to start a family with since he too knows the sacrifices and responsibilities necessary to achieve his own status. A career man rarely sees a career woman as a good choice for a wife, not because he’s threatened by her status, but because he’s known and worked with enough of them once he’s reached 35+ years of age to stear clear of them.

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  15. (31 to 34 year olds) “When you combine a disproportionate sense of entitlement fueled by years of feminism, steady paychecks and promotions, and cheerleading gay boyfriends with suspicions of every man’s motives and a terrible anxiety of being used for a sexual fling sans marriage proposal, you get a venom-spitting malevolent demoness on guard against anything she might perceive as less than total subjugation to her craving for incessant flattery and princess pedestaling.”

    Brilliant writing, R. You’re really are on top of your game here these days. How’s the book coming along?

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  16. Between the ages of 21 and 26, men will notice something very strange:

    They only sleep with 18-23 year olds and 29-34 year olds. It’s as if the 23-29 age bracket disappears.

    Of course there are exceptions, but this is a reliable result from the influences the Chateau lists.

    One of my best relationships (yes, longer than one night) was with a 36 year old asian woman. She had breasts and hips well out of proportion of the usual asian, yet with the pertness and lack of clear aging signs that go with the darker skin. Most people were honestly surprised to hear her age.

    Meanwhile, she felt the approaching edge of sexual obsolescence. She was the sweetest, most caring, and yet insightful (listen, 19 year olds are dumb as shit) partner I’ve had. She did my laundry and paid my rent.

    She self-destructed shortly after I left her.

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  17. on August 12, 2010 at 1:54 pm saving sanity [I AM A TROLL]

    Off topic

    I wonder if all that sex with all that many different women can be as fulfilling as suppose say a handful of relationships in your entire life (Plus very meagre chances of STD) 🙂

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  18. don’t refuse her like some boring fuddy duddy. Either pop that baby and enjoy the ride,

    Serious question – as someone who never did hallucinogens (nor plans to) are you risking going all wierd and out of control if you pop this drug and you’ve never taken it before?

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  19. good list. especially spot on about the 35 year old set. when i was 25 i briefly dated an attractive 35 y.o., and i just approached her with “hi.”

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  20. “Women are realizing it more and more knowing that they don’t have to settle with a man just to have that child. Times have changed and that is also what is amazing… that we do have so many options these days, as opposed to our parents’ days when you can’t have children because you have waited too long. ”

    -Jennifer Aniston

    I wonder how it feels to have a whole nation pity you. She’s so sad.

    (But she’s really really happy, you guys!!!)

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  21. http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/10/outraged-moms-trashy-daughters/

    “If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.”

    Bravo. This can also be true of women w/ handicaps. Just last night, a friend expressed guilt about moving on from a cute prospect who told him she was a bald/wearing a wig. I explained to him that SHE obviously felt entitled to a dating a kickass guy w/ a million dollar condo and mercedes, and doubtlessly has no guilt of her own when she blows off ‘dorks’ who aren’t up to spec.

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  22. Dream Puppy,
    I saw that quote. I know she has the money to easily support a child on her own, but what would be so bad about settling. Men are pretty easy to get along with.

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  23. spot on.
    the 23 year olds are SO much easier to lay and deal with than the 32 year olds.

    i can no longer date women 29 to 36.

    on 39 year olds:
    there are some attractive 39 to 42 year olds. they give it up EASY, they don’t cost anything- some have great careers or flourishing businesses, many of them are very active and have great toned bodies.

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  24. i only read the first category; you forgot a 16-18 one

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  25. Off-topic. Will Farrell negs his wife (Eva Mendez) constantly throughout “the other guys”.

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  26. on August 12, 2010 at 2:25 pm Rollo Tomassi

    You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.

    I once had the standard discussion about how women can’t find any ‘nice’ guys anymore with a group of 33+ y.o. women. They were just dumbfounded that they weren’t meeting any great guys now that they had “arrived” in life, and how the times and the corrupting media had changed men into selfish, juvenile prigs only interested in the latest crop of hot 22 y.o. women.

    “You know, I just can’t seem to meet any great guys anymore, it’s like they don’t exist now. Rollo what happened to all the Nice men?”

    “They’re all back in your 20’s where you left them.”

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  27. “Single moms are the greatest source of future generations of slutty daughters the world has ever known.”

    ROFL. I love your power of synthesis.

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  28. Brilliant article, and Rollo’s comment was also incredible.

    @PA E’s not a hallucinogen, other than some glare from lights. Just dance, pop a Levitra, make-out, and screw and screw and screw – and I mean JUST! Don’t curl up in a ball, even if it feels like you want to. Don’t end up in some late night restaurant trying to have a conversation. Follow my advice, and you’ll be fine.

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  29. @twitter: haha. The Mitchell & Web video is a specific satire of the chav subculture.

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  30. @Rollo Tomassi: “hey’re all back in your 20′s where you left them.”

    Wow, that’s one heck of a comment…all the more powerful because it’s so true.

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  31. An excellent, excellent post. I just love that I can come here and STILL learn so much about Game.

    And also a great comment by Rolla Tomassi.

    My day just got a little lighter.

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  32. Bhetti. @Twitter.
    The Peep show is hilarious! These guys are so funny.

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  33. An episode of peep show, suits this blog very much.

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  34. I live a block or two from the 50,000 student campus of “The” Ohio State University. NEED…I…SAY…MORE.

    Tired of the competition from the infinite number of hot college girls, 23-27 yr old “career” women flee the city as if running from the plague for the friendlier confines of Chicago.

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  35. Let me just add a little to where the post left off:

    Age 63. Runs around the party suite at a swinger’s convention naked, approaching numerous other naked people of both sexes for some action, eventually resorting to literally crying out in the middle of the room, begging to be fucked, while her blind date trys to avoid her.

    Long, embarassing night. Maybe I’ll write a blog post about it sometime.

    I much prefer that 18-21 group.

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  36. @Laura- Yeah, Aniston obviously has the resources to raise a child, but it would still be so much worse off than a middle class child in a two parent family.

    I hate that woman have had the “never settle” mantra jack-hammered into their heads. Ladies, you ain’t no prize yourselves. Why give women a false sense of entitlement that falls so beyond reality? Why set women up for unhappiness and failure.

    I stand by my thinking that feminists HATE women. They hate the feminine and they seek to destroy it, and us with it. Bigger misogynists than the biggest wife beater, that lot.

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  37. Tarl,

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/08/10/outraged-moms-trashy-daughters/print/

    Great article from Macleans. The thing that struck me when reading it is that none (literally none) of the adult womyn quoted had real jobs. Despite having the freedom to choose to do any job they pleased they all have frilly jobs in Education (But not an actual teacher. Heaven forbid), as creative director of something or other, social worker etc. And they are all unintentially hilarious.

    Their teenage daughters actually sound smarter and more socially aware than their Phd credentialed moms. The moms can’t accept that practically speaking gender equality has not only been achieved, but women now have an unfair advantage in society. What would they do with their time and energy if they accepted that? Maybe all that’s needed to stop the exceses of modern feminism is finding some sort of useful outlet for them. Maybe put exercise bikes in places they congregate and attach them to dynamos that feed into the electric grid. Global warming and feminism solved in one fell swoop.

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  38. @In some ways, women in the 31-34 age range are the toughest broads to game. (By “toughest”, it is meant “most time consuming”.)

    And gaming these women is a special kind of cruelty. Their time is limited and they need to find the Right Man right away.

    I have lots of experience with this age group. The bitterness that results from broken expectations and the suspiciousness that follows through the relationship are endemic.

    When you find a particularly entitled one from this age group, good game can be especially satisfying. At this age, they tend to be the most arrogant, most self-assured, most entitled. All laced with a hint of focused attentiveness and a bit of anxiety.

    Often, there’s a faint melody of bitterness wafting through the forest of obsessive self-denial and choosiness.

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  39. on August 12, 2010 at 3:16 pm Just an' old fashioned love song

    The author of this blog is 44.

    I’m sorry, but, LAY-HOO-ZAY-HERRRRRR.

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  40. I stand by my thinking that feminists HATE women. They hate the feminine and they seek to destroy it, and us with it.

    Also, they see themselves as head bitch of the hyena pack, with the capacity to insulate themselves from the consequences of the policies they urge on society at large. Queen Snowflake, of course, WILL have it all, not like all those lesser women.

    At least, that’s what Maureen Dowd and Jennifer Aniston keep telling themselves.

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  41. Dream Puppy

    I stand by my thinking that feminists HATE women. They hate the feminine and they seek to destroy it, and us with it. Bigger misogynists than the biggest wife beater, that lot

    whys it such a pain to post on your blog. dont be scared of cute little firepower. have you been talking to lilgrl

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  42. What is it with women and settling? Every women who has ever married in the history of the world (or at least marriage) has settled. The ones who say they haven’t are just being kind to their husbands in a sweet sort of way.

    Women who want to marry have to settle because at any point in her life she can always fuck a “better” quality man than the best quality man who will marry her at that point/age of her life. This is true of every straight women from Plain Jane to Candice Swanapoel, so no use the Plain Jane’s hating the supermodels. It’s all relative.

    The people who are really into Evolutionary Psychology should be able to explain better why this is the case. I guess because sperm are small and numerous, and eggs are large and few in number, leading men and women to exploit different niches. But whatever the reason no exception will be made in any cases, yours included. It’s baked into your body itself and no amount of womens studies courses (for women) or complex rationalisations (for men) will change that.

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  43. @firepower how is it a pain to post on my blog? commentary is open.

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  44. Just an’ old fashioned love song,

    and how do you know that?

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  45. Girls in their thirties are also very dangerous territory for “oops pregnancies”, if they aren’t divorcees that already have a couple of kids. It get’s more dangerous as their thirties progess if they’re childless and want kids. Especially if you are an older successful guy.

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  46. Some more to add regarding the 35+ age group.

    This is trading season for the married dames. They are having “cashing-out” divorces and re-entering the dating market.

    Most of these recently divorced dames are easy to game within the first few months of them being on the dating scene. But they get humped and dumped so many times that their ASD is honed to razor sharpness.

    Counter intuitively, they get pickier and pickier the longer they are in the dating market. I’ve seen some of these women on the online dating websites for years even though they get fatter and fatter.

    The few who manage to hold onto their looks and their figures are few and far between. That group just gets crazier and crazier with more and more yoga and pilates classes. Sure they look good, but they ultimately fall for the three week fling carefully orchestrated by somewhat older, alpha guys who get plenty of pussy and simply move on at the first mention of a committed relationship.

    40+ is just surreal. Image 60-year old guys having harems of women. There is no longer talk of committed relationships. These affluent, alpha lotharios have a scheduling problem, not a Game problem. I thank my step-father for demonstrating this.

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  47. Just an’ old fashioned love song,

    Dude. I know nothing about the blogger except what he writes in his blog so don’t know what age he is. But I expect that if you don’t pay attention here by the time you are 44, in around 28 years time, you’ll be divorced and paying alimony and child support to your fat ex-wife and teenage children. Your ex wife will probably be using your alimony to pay for the deluxe all Oprah channel, an oversupply of cream-puffs and extra lube for those special occasions for when your best friend is dumpster diving; while your teenage daughter will use your money to buy stuff for her high school dropout drug dealer boyfriend who beats her. Because she really looooves(!!!OMG!!!) him.

    I suspect that you are young and male. Don’t hate older men because you think they have an easier time with girls. Rather learn from those who are good with them. Pretending to be a male feminist who believes older men chasing (young) skirts makes hime a loser will not get you any points with girls/women you may want to sleep with, or even marry (if you are so inclined). Now, or in the decades ahead.

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  48. GREAT POINT DOUG1!!!

    I’ve only dated older women twice in my life (29 and 31) and thank God I didn’t get either one of them pregnant. It would have ruined my life. After I dumped the 29 year old, she tried to set up a post-breakup screw after a friend’s wedding and I definitely sensed that something was wrong. Thankfully I didn’t do it. I think she would have loved to have been knocked up.

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  49. @Doug1
    Girls in their thirties are also very dangerous territory for “oops pregnancies”, if they aren’t divorcees that already have a couple of kids. It get’s more dangerous as their thirties progess if they’re childless and want kids. Especially if you are an older successful guy.

    This is utterly and totally true. Devastating.

    This is a serious problem. Personal stories from the sphere of associates:
    – One woman got pregnant, kept the child, and the man obligingly paid child support, more than would have been likely with a court order. But as he had significant hidden assets, he preempted the inevitable results. One large purchase involved half the downpayment for a condo. The sexual relatinship lasted for 6 months; while he took an active role in the child’s life for the first 3 years, she eventually got married to another older man and he was shunted aside, though he still makes minimal child support payments, though they agreed to a lower amount. he has also listed the child as his heir and created an investment fund. All sounds very expensive. The lawsuit would have raped him.

    – Another (reasonably attractive but bitchy) woman was involved in a sexual relationship for a year. She was 34, he was 32. She became pregnant. She later told a friend it was by design. He was shocked. She kept it. She immediately told him he had to make good on the relationship, and get married. He obliged at first, then balked when her behavior disgusted him (she acted like a preening, demanding, commanding princess with a Sword of Damocles over his head. The more obliging he was, the more commanding and bitchy she was). He declined to marry her. She cut him off completely a month before the birth (I assume beta orbiters helped her out)

    She sued for child support within three days of the birth of the child.

    He was able, through the employ of a good lawyer, to tie her up for 2.5 years in the courts. They never did do a paternity test. The lawyer had the suit dismissed on technicality/procedural issues. She ran out of money. Not clear how he escaped.

    Alas, now he has a child whose life he can’t participate in. Of course, likely this would have been true anyway.

    She is now poor, stressed, not particularly attractive (looking much older) and is apparently online dating. The child is
    7 years old.

    She wanted a child.

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  50. I’m restricting myself to the college range right now and having a grand olde time (I’m 28). I have noticed that I do better with shorts and flip flops with these girls than slacks and Italian loafers. They also don’t flake like 26-28 girls tend to and require less work to hold. My main problem is overgaming them when approaching and making the mistake that they have much of a linguistic faculty to engage, especially when in bars. I honestly don’t know why you’d bother with another age range. Y.H.T.

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  51. Gaming 18-22 year-old girls is a hell of a lot easier if you “look” young, because then you can just lie about your age.

    I used to hate my baby face in my early twenties, but now that I am in my late 20’s, I am glad I look younger…b/c it makes running game a lot easier on young chicks when the young chick or her friends isn’t thinking: “This dude looks a lot older than us.”

    The friends of a young chick you are gaming have to be won over (or they will viciously cockblock you), and this is tough to do if you look way older than them since they will talk a lot of shit about you to her.

    That is why my hat goes off to an older dude (who looks old) who can game college age chicks.

    Cuz that ain’t easy.

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  52. Nice recovery from yesterdays rookie photo analysis.

    This bracketing is good; but your bracket of 23-27 is too wide.

    21-23 and 24-27 is the right break.

    21-23; they are in that firs city, first apt, first job, first real BFs, first real sex…yes different that college, but still all new. Key point, not picked over.

    24-27: they have had some minor hard knocks: bad job, curable STD, prego scare, 1-2 serious dumpings; 1 good BF.
    Key point good ones are picked out, married.

    This differentitation is critical b/c game is really offering them alternatives…

    They know what they have, have had, and cant have. Those are very different for these brackets…as in one case they are naive; and in another too smart for their own good.

    Even though these women are prime…the survivor bias in this sample is evident: Mr. Perfect cant marry two, so 50% of this population lost out in this period, and you are going into the second half of this game, and can win.

    28-29: reality, marriage for 80% of them or pre-jaded
    This is no-mans land in game; the 28 is an evil menace; has cash, has an ax to grind, and has the LOOKS still to cause many a man damage to self esteem/wallet/career.

    29, Nut-CASE, on young babe-death row,

    This quote is priceless for over 35:

    “but everything was glazed with a tint of sadness.”

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  53. This post is reference material for the ages. Also, I think Fox is onto something. Whereas 30 is like hiroshima in some ways, there is a bikini atoll somewhere between 23 and 27.

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  54. Most useful post I’ve read here, and summarizing mistakes I had made but hadn’t been able to articulate so clearly.

    Also, when dating younger chicks, coloring the hair is essential. (I went grey in my late 20s.)

    So is proper facial skin care – from the banal like daily use of sunscreen to the more exotic like Botox and facials.

    Shopping at Forever 21 and H&M is useful, too.

    Anyhow, great post.

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  55. @Ari Hinkelberger

    I’m currently dating a 33 year old hot blonde and all that goes through my fucking mind is how this chick would throw me over the Roosevelt Bridge in a heartbeat for a decent looking wealthy lawyer/businessman.

    Friend of mine had that happen to him. Unfortunately for him he was married to her, but that didn’t stop her.

    If you strongly suspect she’s like that, the thing to do is to be her “until a better one comes”, have as much fun as possible, and sharpen your game so you look better than the competition.

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  56. This just stood out to me, more than the rest of this post (which mostly made my eyes feel like crawling down my face to grab two toothpicks and commit seppuku):

    “This is because 20-40% of women are specifically attracted to older men.”

    96.7% of comments and blog posts references studied are made up.

    Give me a source. Give me a source for that percentage that had an actually well-done study with a good control group, unbiased researchers, unbiased funding, that will turn up the same percentage range across every culture.

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  57. If the author is 44, then he is a winner.

    I myself and still young, good looking, and professionally successful. I am out of the league of the women taking pot-shots at our host. Our host is also out of your league.

    To people like me – i.e., people who matter…Knowing that there are 40+-year-old guys still pulling young ass makes us less fearful of growing old.

    Eventually we men hit The Wall. Once that happens, we men have Scotch, escorts, and several decades of memories.

    Must suck to be a woman. When you’re old, you can’t even pay men to give it up.

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  58. College girls in the city are super flaky as well, but I imagine NYC college girls are a slightly different breed.

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  59. “Between the ages of 21 and 26, men will notice something very strange:

    They only sleep with 18-23 year olds and 29-34 year olds. It’s as if the 23-29 age bracket disappears. ”

    I’m 26 now, and I COMPLETELY agree with this statement

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  60. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the author of this blog is 44 years old. But I don’t think it matters that much, maybe he enjoys giving advice to younger men.

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  61. If you strongly suspect she’s like that, the thing to do is to be her “until a better one comes”, have as much fun as possible, and sharpen your game so you look better than the competition.

    This is loser thinking.

    A winner thinks: I’ll fuck this miserable whore until I decide to fuck another whore. Even better: I’ll fuck other whores while with this cunt.

    You’re like the guy who has a shitty job, but lives in terror of losing it. Who cares? Unless you have several kids to support, what’s the worst thing that can happen?

    A 33-year-old cunt leaves you…Who cares?

    Stop thinking like a loser and start thinking like a winner.

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  62. @ Ari Hinkleberger

    Why are you only fucking this one woman?

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  63. It’s sometimes annoying, sometimes painful to read this blog, but it gives me clarity.

    As a 33 year old rapidly approaching 34 year old unmarried female, it’s makes me cringe to see how snarky guys view the average chick in my demographic.

    I hope I don’t have the arrogance attributed to my age group. Perhaps I do about my youthful looks, but then again I have lived cleaned and never been a sun worshipping, druggy slut. 🙂

    I’m different than the average modern day American/Western female.

    I genuinely like most men and feel oodles of sympathy for them that women CAN be so difficult.
    I enjoy being feminine and girly and only go thru random periods of wanting to achieve a lot. Pretty happy just being alive. lol

    I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin based on my limited picky dating habits.

    Sure, I would have loved to be married since my 20s.
    But feel happy I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married.

    If anything, I believe in romantic love too strongly and held on at times when I should’ve let go.
    So not every woman in her 30s is a shrill she-devil harpy who wants be your own personal succubus and suck your life force and rape your wallet.

    Anyway, 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39)
    They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women.
    They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids.

    They all met healthy, nice cool chicks in the same age range and got engaged within 1-3 years.

    Again, this blog has been an entertaining read, but it taken as seriously as any other entertainment rag out there.
    With a grain of salt.

    It will excite R. to know that he has many devout acolytes at this point.
    Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.

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  64. @MaryJane

    Woman, you may not be like the women described here. It’s entirely possible. It’s about the curve right? You might not be in the middle. Who knows.

    This post is just a description of the behavior of women who get into relationships and an estimation of the chances of getting some of them to drop their pants and get into bed, and what’s motivating them.

    It’s not some rigid anthropological description.

    From my own experience, I gotta tellya: It’s pretty accurate.

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  65. “DON’T BE LAME. If a 19 year old (true story) offers you an E tab in a dark corner of a loud club at 1 am, don’t refuse her like some boring fuddy duddy. Either pop that baby and enjoy the ride, or pretend to take it and throw it away when she’s not looking if you’re suspicious of the pill’s origins and purity. Push for a blowjob in the alley behind the club; plans to make future dates are a fool’s errand.”

    It’s highly irresponsible to give advice like this. Just because you don’t do drugs does not make you a “fuddy duddy.” And rejecting a pill that some broad (you don’t even know) wants to give you, just so you can get on her good druggie side, and maybe get a blowjob out of it…is totally reckless behaviour.

    I guess this sort of thing is “cool” in some circles, but it can quickly turn into bad news if this 19 year old chick get’s buyer’s remorse, and maybe suggests to her friends that you got her all drugged up to coax her into a sexual situation.

    Drugs in general = BAD NEWS….and chicks on drugs = WORSE NEWS.

    I am not anti-drugs, but I’m relieved that my druggie years are pretty much over. Even if the stranger chick is hot, and she offers you drugs, all you need to say is, “I’m good…I’m not mixing, tonight.” This at least implies that you are not a “fuddy duddy”, and you already have something in yer system, especially if it’s 1 AM, at a club. By that time, you will actually probably already have a few drinks in you, and it really isn’t a good idea to mix drugs with alcohol.

    These days, I’ll accept the offer of a drink or a cigarette, but for the most part, the druggies can keep their drugs all for themselves. It’s also interesting to note that when I reject the offer of drugs, the druggie often wants to take about it, and will think that I’m “cool” for not doing drugs, anymore. It’s like the druggie fully understands that drugs are not as cool, as some people try to make it out to be.

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  66. @MaryJane this blog isn’t the law. Many women are beautiful in their 30s and they find very nice men that fall in love with them and marry them.

    I like the douse of cold water I get every once in a while reading this blog though. Keeps me humble.

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  67. Silver Fox–

    21-23 and 24-27 is the right break.

    21-23; they are in that firs city, first apt, first job, first real BFs, first real sex…yes different that college, but still all new. Key point, not picked over.

    24-27: they have had some minor hard knocks: bad job, curable STD, prego scare, 1-2 serious dumpings; 1 good BF.
    Key point good ones are picked out, married.

    Very good point.

    In your second group most of the hotties that aren’t bitches are getting married.

    As their twenties progress it tends to be mostly the sluttier 6s and 7s who have been riding the alpha cock carousel, especially if they’re also seriously career minded and feminist, who are left unmarried. They’re in abundance in the big magnet coastal cities. One doesn’t see many never married 8’s 9’s or 10’s women over 30 outside of Hollywood. The never married 6’s and 7’s of that age have been waiting for a successful alpha type to want to marry them. Which doesn’t happen at all often.

    Some large fraction of these do start marrying higher betas or betas but this tends to be bad news after she has her one or two kids, has gone off sex with him for a few years as she’s caring for infants, and then then starts getting horny again.

    Female infidelity city. Divorce theft city.

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  68. Mary Jane – Baby I’m so into girls who are kind of virgins!

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  69. @PA

    While Nancy Reagan’s, I mean nomorefatchicks’, post is largely awful advice from start to finish, it does raise a question when he states, “By that time, you will actually probably already have a few drinks in you, and it really isn’t a good idea to mix drugs with alcohol.”

    Actually, if you’ve had a few drinks in you before you do the E, you probably won’t even feel much of anything from the E – all the more reason to go along with taking it, and give the chick what she wants.

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  70. MaryJane–

    Sure, I would have loved to be married since my 20s.
    But feel happy I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married.

    And you should have. It’s as simple as that. Your attractiveness is declining each year past 30 for sure. Some women plateau for awhile a lot better than others, it’s true, but tick toc. Your fertility is dramatically declining. About half of women over 35 have a great deal of difficulty becoming pregnant or can’t.

    This site isn’t here for individual therapy or hand holding for women. It’s to teach men game, and as to teach men much needed anti feminism — to begin to change social attitudes.

    Anyway, 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39)
    They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women.
    They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids.

    They all met healthy, nice cool chicks in the same age range and got engaged within 1-3 years.

    They’re fools to have not gone for significantly younger girls. 5-15 years younger, though for more than 10 years younger they’d have to have a whole lot on the ball. They’re feminist entertainment media and feminist schools and universities propaganzied fools.

    They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women.

    It’s rich to call the views here dogmatic. They’re piecing the feminist dogmas. Such as the one that says men should be ashamed to date or marry significantly younger women and vice versa, all in the name of rigid equalism. (Which to feminists really means setting the stage for the woman to have the upper hand.)

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  71. Alpha of the Month:

    29 year old British air hostess is having thrice divorced “Frasier” star Kelsey Grammer’s baby.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1302340/Kayte-Walsh-British-air-hostess-having-Kelsey-Grammers-baby.html

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  72. As Metallica put it…

    You know it’s sad but true.

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  73. GGG — haha, you’re one of the nice folk? Excuse me while I

    Giggle Giggle Giggle.

    You’re being hysterical, in all senses of the word.

    Gorbachev

    I can’t speak for everyone else, but I’m 85, 5′ tall, 379 lbs, have halitosis, an IQ of 65, spent most of my life living in a cardboard box next to the NYC Public Library, and occasionally fart when pretty girls walk by.

    OH,
    And somehow I managed to get infected with 43 STDs, among them a new one I got while fucking a small goat at the kiddie park two years ago with my wrinkled old dick.

    Wanna go for a walk?

    Haaaa. You sound so dreamy in this personal. I mean, NYC Public Library: such refined tastes. Hey, if she doesn’t go for it for some mysterious reason, can I go???

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  74. Dear MaryJane-

    I find it unlikely that you are what/who you say you are in light of the fact that you have wanted to get married since you were 20, and have not married.

    I give your guy friends 5-7 years before the “cool chicks” they married turn into succubi, suck the life force out of them, and rape their wallets while removing their children from their lives and tossing them out of their homes.

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  75. @Bhetti,
    Gorbachev
    I can’t speak for everyone else, but I’m 85, 5′ tall, 379 lbs, have halitosis, an IQ of 65, spent most of my life living in a cardboard box next to the NYC Public Library, and occasionally fart when pretty girls walk by.
    OH, And somehow I managed to get infected with 43 STDs, among them a new one I got while fucking a small goat at the kiddie park two years ago with my wrinkled old dick.
    Wanna go for a walk?

    Haaaa. You sound so dreamy in this personal. I mean, NYC Public Library: such refined tastes. Hey, if she doesn’t go for it for some mysterious reason, can I go???

    What can I say, I have a penchant for prime real estate and I love the smell of books.

    You can come along. But you have to buy dinner.

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  76. GGG, welcome!

    May your stay here be instructive and action-filled.

    Note that the pool closes at 9:00.

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  77. I’m quite please that our observations match up pretty well. The differences in geography (Nashville) and my college (Vandy) sway things a bit. I commented on a post called “Girls at Different Ages” from your January 11, 2008 column, but of course it was way after the fact and so I’m sure it wasn’t read. Sorry for the long post, but it is my experience that 95% of all American women under 40 now operate the same way. If you know where to look and what you want it becomes so easy.

    From the comments ====( brackets with examples)

    Love the site and I know no one will read this this far past its posting, but I wanted to put this out. There is most certainly a trend and I would go so far as age brackets, with the only variations from the norm coming from exceptionally mature girls, foreign chicks, or females who have had some kind of trauma or life changing experience (good or bad). Other than that they ALWAYS have fallen into these categories for me everytime. Also, since I had about a two year period where I thought cougars and older chicks were the business I might be able to expand on your list a bit.

    I am 30 now and so that this is not seen as some list viewed over my ageing (all of these women were in the last 3 years) I will try to give an example for each.

    1) 18-20 “The shy but shameless years.”

    Not quite old enough to completely know the club scene, nor do they even comprehend how effective game is, yet due to age or daddy still being always on the mind they are often a tough nut to crack. Even when you do, the sex is mild and any variation (i.e. kink) is viewed as perversion. However if you stay longer than 2 weeks they become game for almost anything especially if they view you as worldly.

    Ex. 18 year old friend of my younger sister. She didn’t know my sister long enough for it to be creepy, but still taboo enough to excite her. Met her for first time when I went home for Christmas. We partied at her apartment with some of her friends and my sister. My sister left and that night I had the easiest closing ever. I found a porno in her roomies VCR and decided to jokingly play it in front of her. Started rubbing on her shoulders and then chest. Doggy ensued. I cleaned up and then left in the morning. We haven’t spoken since.

    2) 21-22 “Prime college/I’m an adult now years.”

    They know they are hot but have nothing but tv happy endings and distorted views of happiness in the world. If you can play into any number of her ridiculous fantasies you are in. If you are in reality absoltely perfect i.e. gorgeous, good job, lot of friends, but don’t fit the mold through your words and actions, good luck.

    Ex. 21 year old co-ed was in my econ class when I came back to school for my last year after starting a business for several years. At least two guys in my class were better looking, more her age, trendy college dress, not even a word back to them. I told her that I study better at my office since it is quiet and no one will bother me cause it’s my company. The allure of a man of the world with even slight power was enough to get her there. Once we talked about my travelling around Japan and Europe for business it was too easy. Best BJ I ever got. We fooled around for a month and then went our own ways.

    3) 23 – “Nobody tells me what to do/I can do what I want years.”

    Also known as girls gone wild. No more college for most of them and living on daddy’s credit card in low entry level jobs. Hence they live to party and club. This is the weird age where the reverse of 21-22 kicks in. They still want the fantasy guy, only later. For now they are almost nostalgic for the college guys. The nights out with a ballcap wearing doofus who sports ABercrombie and Fitch. Take them to a theatre or fine restaurant and they get bored and uncomfortable. Take them to a frat party or the beach and they go crazy. This makes it easy for you or at least easy for the guy she bunks with that night.

    Ex. – girl who worked in a bank was surprisingly sweet and said all the “right things” but once you dug a little deeper it was surprising how low her self esteem was and how high in number and indescriminate her partner list was. Took her to a sports bar for drinks then hit up a sushi bar before taking her for a walk around my old college campus (I live 5 blocks from my old school). Didn’t even have to ask twice to get her home with me. Intentionally fooled around with no sex for 3 hours before falling asleep. The next day she asked me to go out to dinner with her and another couple that were her friends. Threw herself at me and we dated for about 3 months. Sex was surpisingly bad. Wants to seem worldy in bed for you without actually wanting to do anything to prove this other than retarded porno gags like spit in my mouth because one off her former lovers probably though it was funny and she thinks its expected.

    24-25 – “I really desperately want a life partner/LTR but in no way could I even tolerate to be in one years.”

    These are often the hottest chicks that will cause us men to go astray if we don’t stay focused. They still go clubbing from time to time and if in a group can get wild but are wanting a taste of the refined, not so pick-ed up fling. A top end bar for 25-35 year old white collar works well. They have SO much drama in their lives and it is vitally important. If you in any way are able to aid her in one of these dilemas (sp?) you are in. She will repeatedly say things like “Can I keep you”. “I don’t want this to be just one night” “You have to call me tomorrow.” Sex is often very very good though there is a certain inevitability to it. After one or two nights she will get a bit distant, but still contact you repeatedly as to wash off the stank of it. If you want to keep her around you have to constantly use game. If you slip you will never recover. Do it right and you can get away with almost anything.

    Ex. I met a girl who worked at Hooters ( yeah I know, but it wasn’t in Hooters). We had good conversation and she asked me if I wanted to come meet her and some of her friends at a MExican place around five for drinks. I was in the office at the time. I said I’ll see if I’m not busy. About 6 I go to the MExican restaurant where her and 4 of her “coworkers” were having drinks and no dinner. Heaven forbid they actually eat in public. I still had my suit minus the tie on and I sat down and started drinking and ignoring her but focused on the smartest one in the group. She started poking my leg playfullty under the table and after about three hours of this one of her friends got so sick drunk she threw up on the patio deck. This girl was her cousin and she was also underrage so when she called her parent to come over and get her, they literally yelled at her in front of everyone. She was upset so when we left I told her I’d drive her. We wound up going to my place and in about thirty minutes it was done. She slept over that night and the following. She wanted to do something a week later for Halloween but I couldn’t make it since I was patching things up with my girlfriend. Texting infrequently went on for over a month but we never went out again.

    26-29 “Married, or has a child, or has a career, all desperately wanting what’s lacking in their lives years”

    This is the depressing bunch. They are still generally really hot, but have enough baggage to fill an airline. They got married too early or to the wrong guy. They have a child or many children often by different men or from different races and wonder why no one asks them out or why the only ones who do are low account idiots who only want sex. The relationships they avoided just a few years back with quality partners are now what they crave even with lesser guys. Not quite to the point of putting out for anyone who gives them the time of day, they still have yet to mature past the point of fantasy. While some may have pretty decent guys at home, the fact that he isn’t taking her to Rome this very minute or he likes to watch football on Sundays instead of taking her to the ballet makes her feel like she made a horrible mistake that she is stuck with the rest of her life. She is often aghast at the idea of anyone cheating on their partner, but at the first tingle from a new interesting guy she will literally leave her home, husband, and even kids to “see where it goes”. Sex is often bordering on sadness when they realize how much of a slut they’ve turned into.

    Ex. A 28 year old who I thought was cute and knew she had two kids went out to dinner with me one night. She was constantly trying to reconnect with the ex but had no clue how terrible that relationship was nor how much play that guy was getting now that he was free of her and watching the kids. Deep down she hated being with him but the weight of society and her lack of options made her rationalize getting back with him if possible. I literally went caveman on her in bed simply cause we knew it was a pump and dump and something mean inside me wanted her to realize how stupid she was. I’m really not a bad guy, but it is what it is. She sent me love notes for 6 months after this and I finally had to tell her to flat out leave me alone since my non-responses weren’t getting through to her. All this was going on while I know of at least three other guys she has been through in that period alone, one was even her best friends husband. No regrets.

    30-32 “Prime game vs. pleasure ratio years.”

    when that magic number hits 30 and they are not married they slowly begin to lose their minds. Even amateur game begins to work. The lower she sees herself income/status wise (and at this age they begin to see themselves in this quasi-masculine way) the quicker it is to score and the raunchier sex will be. If you play even moderate game, she will fall in love with you and do anything to keep you around. Notice I don’t say keep you happy; I said keep you around. Subtle, but not so slight difference. You can go out all night with buddies, not contact her for three days, have girlfriends on the side in not so unobvious ways and she will still buy the lamest coverup lie. She still wants to be treated like a princess, but any attempt to do this makes her even more clingy. If you keep a safe distance, are nice enough to not crush her, and make sure you are the man at all times, you can have a nice little F.B. for almost as long as you want. At this point you don’t even have to worry about what they are doing on the side as all they think about is you.

    Ex. I had a 30 and 31 year old going constantly for about 6 months while I continued to basically live my life however the hell I wanted. They lived about 40 miles apart so it helped when I was with one on the weekend and then the other a few times during the week. It was not uncommon to be in number 1s bed on Friday morning and then in number 2s bed that same night. NEVER bring them to your place ever or they will drive by on a whim. Sex was often very crappy as they weren’t as hot and were usually hung up about things. IF you don’t feel like you have the best game in town but you want to have multiple F.B.s, start your harem with a few of these until you get into the swing of things. Sometimes a comfortable place, subservient sex, and no attachments or consequences is better than nothing.

    33-38 “If I’m not married yet or unhappy I have a right to fuck whatever I want, but please keep marriage in mind mister years.”

    This can literally be heaven if you find a woman who has kept herself up. She will often initiate sex. She will often be more than fine with being F.B.s. She will move to be near you if you want or she will simply go away if you command her to. She is used to pump and dumps, crappy one night stands, and is grateful that you are not the fat old man hitting on her that she will eventually settle down with for pure societal pressure/financial reasons. ANY sex act is on the menu. You will often not want to be seen in public with her unless you are near her age, but neither will she. She is past the point of despair and has now bought into the woman’s empowerment thing whole-heartedly as a defense mechanism. If you cheat on her she will move on because she now has unlimited options since her dating floor is literally anything that says hello. Never go longer than a week with one unless it is your kink or you feel like you have no other options. Sex is insane. It isn’t earth shaking like with a mid-20s. But if you ever wanted to direct your own porno or have a woman do anything you want this is the spot. The sheer amazement at what is going on will make up for the fact that there is no connection and that she isn’t exceptionally good at it. If she starts stalking you you fucked up brother.

    Ex. Several. I was in a Ruby Tuesday. At 4:30. On a Thursday. And this former blond beauty (38) sat by me at the bar, talked dirty to me and wound up at my place for THREE days. Still had a great figure, but ISSUES. Oh my lord. She strip teased me in her thong. I fucked the hell out of her. Put it in her ass and came all over her face whenever I felt like it. She kept saying “Love, Love and trying to bite me. Her phone died out so like an idiot I let her use mine. The next morning her 18 year old son calls me to ask to speak to her while I am driving her back to the restaurant parking lot. She texted me a few days later to say not to call her as she was patching things up with her fiancee.

    Another one (37) was a nurse with a kid. The first night we went to my place, no dinner, nothing and well you know. I kept her along while I had my other girls going. We agreed solely to be F.B.s When I felt she was getting too attached and wanted me to hang out with her kid, I said that we need to call it quits and that I had met someone else. She cried a bit and then insisted that we do it one last time. She had never let me do anal but this time begged me to do it, I assume in the hope of me not leaving. I have never pounded a girl that hard before. Still broke it off. A month later she called to say she didn’t care if I was seeing other people. We only did anal the rest of the time we were together (3 months).

    Over 40 haven’t done and do not plan on it. Once you go over 30 for too long you forget what it’s like to actually be moved and stirred during sex. Kink takes hold and starts to screw with you. My girl is 23 and I’m quite happy. Haven’t even been with anyone else for like 5 months, but I hope this helps. Remember despite what you might read here, game is here to make your youthful pursuits more doable and fruitful. It’s so you can have fun and learn through experience. Do not apologize if you actually find someone you like and settle down. However never forget the female psychological make-up. If you command it properly you will have a lifetime of satisfaction, even if it is with only your wife. Thanks for reading.

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  78. You can keep up the cockerade but it will eventually catch up with you. My brother just had anal warts surgically removed from his ass because his whole crotch got infected with them and he couldn’t even take a dump without excruciating pain and bleeding from his rectum.

    Uh, no. Your brother had these problems because he plays catcher.

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  79. Gorbachev

    @MaryJane

    From my own experience, I gotta tellya: It’s pretty accurate.>>>

    Well based on the behavior of many feminazis in DC I would tend to agree.

    When I see the noxious sense of entitlement of certain women in Georgetown, I don’t judge those who are budding PUAs too harshly.

    But I do want to throttle them. I internally cuss them out and think how their bitchtude is just making life harder for themselves and giving sweet girls a bad name.

    Again, I’m atypical.

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  80. GGG–

    Preach it brother man!!!!

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  81. GGG

    You think your behaviour isn’t awfully revealing about yourself?

    Who is this fictional ‘all’ you are speaking to?

    What kind of heart is all the invective and hate coming from?

    Those with even an atom of false pride, do not enter heaven. You don’t have to believe in God to understand the ethics and rationality of that argument. What makes you better? Better than whom here?

    You may need to choose to be your adult self and actually think about it properly.

    At this moment in time, I’m not the one being a dimwit.

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  82. MaryJane–

    But I do want to throttle them. I internally cuss them out and think how their bitchtude is just making life harder for themselves and giving sweet girls a bad name.

    Again, I’m atypical.

    You are sounding sweet.

    Just don’t wait too much longer, if you want to settle down, ‘K? tick toc. Also consider a guy 5 to 10 years older.

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  83. I find it hilarious that GGG pretends to be male. News flash honeypot, heterosexual men do not speak like that.

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  84. I wonder what GGG has to say about butthex and fiat money?

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  85. Question here for us high-earning beta provider types.

    (I have been engaging in player-like behavior with 2s and 3s, but that does not an alpha make.)

    I was previously planning to marry (if I marry) a high-earning career woman in order to limit my alimony exposure. The descriptions here of feminist harridans give me pause. I’m not sure not marrying at all is a long-term strategy past 40 or so.

    A conservative Christian woman in a small town would have its own disadvantages…she’d force me to have a lot of kids, for example.

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  86. Dirk,

    It’s bad enough dealing with some drunk chick, trying to walk in her high heels. A chick on drugs is a thousand times more “LAME” than a “fuddy duddy” for choosing to abstain from druggie shit.

    My guess is that the part-time rapists much prefer that the chick be shit-faced, or whacked out on drugs. These chicks seem totally oblivious as to the risk that they are putting themselves in, when they go out, and get all fucked up.

    Sooner or later….our precious little red riding hood will meet up with the big bad wolf.

    note: in my last post I meant to write “accepting” a pill, not “rejecting”.

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  87. What can I say, I have a penchant for prime real estate and I love the smell of books.

    You can come along. But you have to buy dinner.

    I’m afraid I’ve already made some: La dimwitte grillé, dragged ever so lightly over the coals for that extra flavour of je ne sais quoi.

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  88. @Bhetti

    Ah, the fragrance of mild je ne sais quoi. I remember it well.

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  89. GGG is funny. I like him/her/it.

    No serious rebuttal to any of the points mentioned, just a stream of insults. Child’s play. Ignore on.

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  90. @Bounder.

    Exactly. “Gross” is the word that several 40ish or up women I know use whenever it comes out that I am dating someone half or so or less my age.

    My response to them is generally to the effect of, “Are you saying I’m gross? Because i can tell you, she’s not gross, so what’s gross?!”

    I never get a response to that. Ever.

    “Gross” is simply the word that comes out of their mouth when they realize that their sexual power has diminished far beyond what they had previously understood.

    And that very word, “gross”, has, on multiple occasions, come out just after they were congratulating friends of theirs for dating much younger women.

    @GGG: what’s good for the gander is good for the goose. Remember that.

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  91. There’s a Troll Troll Troll flailing wildly while spewing sharts through her aging labia.

    It’s hungry for dick and attention. Starving for butthex.

    Please please please don’t feed it. Let it dry off and die.

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  92. What I don’t understand is why GGG is so worried about all this.

    We’re the lowest of the low. Sure. Cool. Whatever. But what is it to GGG?

    “I don’t want the sores that will scab up on my dick because you spread your shit to the girl I was banging who I wanted to have a LTR with.”

    Why the big worry? Why would the really nice girl catch anything from the low scum she obviously wouldn’t be patronizing the venues we predate upon?

    “Manipulation” is the predictable answer, or a variation thereof.

    Which has the exact bottom line as the rest of the hysterics GGG is vomiting all over the comments:

    a. She ain’t so nice (see: Biology, neither of us is).
    b. This shit works.
    c. The rose tinted glasses have been thrown under a bus and reality is rapidly crumbling.

    The sad thing is that there are better ways of going on about it than irrational, animalistic rage (spot the irony).

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  93. @ PA

    Serious question – as someone who never did hallucinogens (nor plans to) are you risking going all wierd and out of control if you pop this drug and you’ve never taken it before?

    I grew up in a time when taking pills from a cute girl who seems strangely into you typically winds up with you waking up in the alley minus your wallet.

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  94. @Doug1

    And you should have. It’s as simple as that. Your attractiveness is declining each year past 30 for sure. Some women plateau for awhile a lot better than others, it’s true, but tick toc. Your fertility is dramatically declining. About half of women over 35 have a great deal of difficulty becoming pregnant or can’t. >>>>

    I’m a budding health researcher. I want everyone to stay as young looking and feeling as long as possible.

    More than most, I’m well aware of the aging process.

    Ironically, stressing about aging causes more aging.

    (telomere length shortens with bad stress hence aging is made worse)

    Stress also inhibits conception rates.

    Which might be a reason why wild old cougars in their 40s get knocked up a lot and are a big segment of women who kill their babies in abortions.
    (They re just shagging for fun, while the older women who are pining and lamenting their barren wombs come up empty because they’re stressed 24/7 about it )

    So I refuse to stress. We could all be hit by Gamma Rays tomorrow, so I’m not going to mourn my current unmarried/childless status.

    Already had my ovarian reserves tested. I lucked out.

    Also have maternal relatives who all got knocked up at advanced ages, so Im not unduly freaking out.

    If worse comes to worse, I have no problem with donor eggs from someone with same heritage as me.

    I’m more concerned with offspring being related to a future husband than me.
    Sucks that spermies start falling apart after 35. 😦

    Time to work out. Keep the telomeres long longer. 🙂

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  95. My god, the section about 18 to 22 year olds is so devastatingly true. Particularly the upbringing effect…

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  96. “She looked years younger than her age, so the sex was fun and the time together was relaxed, but everything was glazed with a tint of sadness. “

    That’s almost poetry, man. It’s something I’ve experienced also, and really need to adhere to, because it really is kind of sad.

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  97. GGG

    This guy is almost as good as Shouting Thomas

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  98. on August 12, 2010 at 7:14 pm Markku Koponen

    Oh – and if we men are sluts, then good for us. You women chow down on it like hungry gluttonous rats.

    Exactly. Only a woman could be vacuous enough to call PUA’s manwhores and hope that it has some effect. But it is already implicit in being a PUA. They are all PROUD to be manwhores and to know how wet it makes the chicks.

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  99. Gold.

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  100. on August 12, 2010 at 7:26 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on August 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm The Anti-Gnostic
    You can keep up the cockerade but it will eventually catch up with you. My brother just had anal warts surgically removed from his ass because his whole crotch got infected with them and he couldn’t even take a dump without excruciating pain and bleeding from his rectum.

    Uh, no. Your brother had these problems because he plays catcher.

    ”””””
    That was the worste ownage this blog has ever seen.

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  101. @Mary Jane

    Except for one thing:

    18-23 year-olds, especially the ones in college, are frankly looser and less uptight than even the crew suggests.

    There’s been a generational change since I was 22.

    It’s all about hooking up now.

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  102. GGG: “And don’t give me the waist hip ratio…’baby maker’ body bullshit either.”

    To quote whatshisname, lulzlulzlulz.
    Oooo, talk dirty to me baby. Nothing like a woman with narrow boy hips to … well, make me want to go do my taxes in peace.

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  103. @MaryJane

    As a 33 year old rapidly approaching 34 year old unmarried female, it’s makes me cringe to see how snarky guys view the average chick in my demographic.

    Sure, I would have loved to be married since my 20s.
    But feel happy I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married.

    MJ, do yourself a favor: find a good guy, not necessarily somebody your friends would consider an alpha, but a good guy. Get married. Have a couple of kids. Be a good wife. And if you succeed in making it work, consider yourself blessed.

    The probability of ever marrying drops precipitously for women over 30 (It does, I’ve seen the academic research). There are reasons for it. Among them, the good guys in your age range have mostly already been taken. The divorced guys, after having been raped, are unlikely to want to do it again. And every year, you become more set in your ways, and less comfortable with changing your lifestyle to accommodate a husband in your life.

    Your fertility drops in your 30’s and the probability of birth defects rises. You also have to confront the idea of dealing with teenagers at a time when you just don’t have the energy for it. Human females are designed to start becoming mothers in their late teens, and be petering out at your age.

    Don’t wind up like some of the bitter women I know who passed their window of opportunity.

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  104. GGG

    Over forty
    Over weight
    Male or female? What does it matter?

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  105. “Don’t wind up like some of the bitter women I know who passed their window of opportunity.”

    They’re not bitter…. they’re empowered!

    [Empowered to own 12 cats]

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  106. Gross Gros…

    She/he/it is obviously over 40, over-weight, and feeling dizzy from the long spiralling fall down into the deep frozen-zone of sexual irrelevance.

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  107. on August 12, 2010 at 7:39 pm gunslingergregi

    ggg is a regualr commenter though maybe.

    Yea american chicks do tend to have the std’s

    Why when I was in kuwait and to stay in country everyone had to get tested for them. If you didn’t pass you couldn’t stay in country so really rich dudes might want to check that out. he he he

    Yea there were a lot of bitches that uhh didn’t get to stay in country.

    Me I got a kuwati drivers license.

    So really even fucking all the hos I wanted was cool because stf free baby.

    Kind of cool idea actually.

    Then also unlike states where people with aids ain’t even called out.

    Yea got that test too. But yea interesting shit.

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  108. Gros

    Insults will have more impact if the source of them has even a little bit of credibility.

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  109. Why do some of you here encourage women over 30+ to settle when we KNOW they’re going to rape the poor old chap in 5 or 10 years through divorce and go looking for ‘true love’ by sex vacationing in Jamaica?

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  110. on August 12, 2010 at 7:45 pm gunslingergregi

    I mean really if stds so bad why not just test everyone and then shot to back of head mercy kill for everyone that has them.

    Save the planet and all that jazz.

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  111. @Mary “atypical” Jane

    Yes you are maybe unique, but not as unique as you think.

    You’re in DC? I would consider a transfer to a state with more men, such as North Dakota. If you’re thin and have all your teeth you will be able to find a husband. And probably a nice one at that.

    @Michael gives good advice. For all your lovely internal attributes (and I am sure they are very nice) your looks are declining. So are mine. So are all women past 25 (:::last 20s birthday sob:::).

    Get a man. Settle. You don’t deserve perfection and neither does he. Be sweet. Cook. Make the sexy time. There is still time.

    @Zammo LOL. Meow.

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  112. on August 12, 2010 at 7:49 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””MJ, do yourself a favor: find a good guy, not necessarily somebody your friends would consider an alpha, but a good guy. Get married. Have a couple of kids. Be a good wife. And if you succeed in making it work, consider yourself blessed.”””””’

    Yea but first we are gonna need to see a list of what you as an individual offer a guy that is actually something special that he can’t get off of any other chick on planet in an easier less entitled way.

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  113. on August 12, 2010 at 7:50 pm (r)Evolutionary

    @Gorby,

    You’re feeding the trolls, but doing so with panache. Keep up the good work. Lolzlolozzzoloz.
    You mentioned no 22-y/o slut cooch for you–would you date/hang out with “non-slutty” early 20s chicas?
    You recently presented, fearlessly, a bit of your dating history on this forum..I’m curious as to your game MO at the moment, trolls & cardboard condo-dwelling not withstanding.

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  114. WTF is up w/ the commet moderation….

    I wrote a longer post but now lazy in order to have to redo.

    @Mary “atypical” Jane.

    You’re not as unique as you think. Everyone is a special snowflake…and when we’re all special, no one is special.

    1) Settle- you dont deserve perfection and neither does he. Nice guy w/ job should suffice.
    2) Move to make dominated state (North Dakota, Alaska, Nevada-yes, I’ve done my research)
    3) Stay thin. Lift weights in order to maintain muscle mas.
    4) Be nice, cook, make the sexy. have fun with him- you should be able to keep him if you try (@ least that’s what Michael says and he gives great advice)

    You’re not as pretty as you were when you were 25. – we have to be realistic. Strike while the iron is hot, mamita!!! Be quick, you’ll never be as desirable to men as you are today. Same goes for tomorrow.

    @Zammo LOL.

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  115. on August 12, 2010 at 7:54 pm gunslingergregi

    over thirties chicks entitlement but nowhere does it say what she has to offer of anything. And the dude has loot just not enough loot to cover her entitlement for what?
    Supposedly a virgin and giving up pussy for first time.

    ””””’I feel an overwhelming sense of life’s eternal suckage right now.

    I just feel so angry all the time… am I getting into bitter territory?

    What is making me so mad? Stupid frigging wedding planning.

    But shouldn’t it be the joy of my life? To prepare of the day when I can be with my man forever?

    This makes me feel bad and guilty.

    But I have to be honest with myself in order to find peace.

    I hate the drama that comes from my parents, his parents, and disappointingly, him
    I hate feeling pressured to do things in a way I don’t like
    Although I am happy that in the end, some of my decisions did win out (despite others not supporting them even now!)
    Yet it makes me mad that we have a budget. Yup, there I said it. I never imagined that I would have to worry about money when getting married. And here we are, even with a smallish wedding, freaking out over how limited my options are.
    I think that’s it really. Something inside absolutely infuriates me right now that I have to worry about money. The whole world has to worry about money… the whole world has to manage their cash flow… so many rich people have to declare bankruptcy, and they have so much more to work with!

    Yet it makes me so anger and yes, even a little bitter at life that despite my not being a big spender, I have to worry about money.

    A little over year ago I was able to buy a very high end handbag. It was a splurge, but I could afford it because I manage my money fine. I could go on all sorts of trips to see friends or places I’ve wanted to visit, I could eat in any restaurant, I could go buy a fancy dress or do a spa day, or get personal training to look better and hotter.

    Now I’m so angry that such things are out of reach. I just can’t spend like that. Not my own money, not the shared money.

    I only have myself to blame for this, and I feel so incredibly guilty about it too. (I even wonder if I should post this, but where else can I turn? Plus the people who this might hurt don’t even read so it’s OK. And I don’t care if they do really, maybe something would come out of it I can’t bring myself to take action on yet.)

    Why does it bother me so much that I have money concerns? It’s not like I’m in horrible debt or anything.

    But I DETEST the idea that I am so limited in my options due to money. I hate the idea. I never in my life planned to get married and have to worry so much about money and borrowing and running out.

    And about selling expensive fancy cars (that were so great to be driven around in). That makes me so mad. It’s like I was showered with a particular lifestyle, and now that I’ve been locked down, it’s being taken away. It’s almost like I was shown a completely false view of the situation. And I’ve been supportive while old lingering issues are resolved, but they were supposed to have been resolved months and months ago. And they aren’t.

    And yes he has tried to resolve them, but the fact remains he hasn’t. Fine, often because of matters out of his control (I still feel like not enough was done out of ego really… and I see people in similar situations who have done so much more out of it creatively, but of course I can’t be rude and masc-y and suggest that hey, look what this other person is doing). And again, like before when he ran into those stumbling blocks, his attitude bothered me. It was a defeatist attitude. It would usually pass after a week or two of processing. But it was there. Hate it.

    I’d almost rather not know about his problems. Which I guess isn’t being a supportive partner. But I don’t want to know. The respect goes down, sorry it does. I don’t care how many tingles are activated otherwise. It’s overshadowed at those moments, quite strongly.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with wanting a particularly lifestyle for myself. I don’t care if I’m judged.

    I’ve tried to think spiritually: maybe these times are to help me build character.

    Maybe these times are to teach me lessons about humility, patience, and simplicity.

    It’s so hard though. Regular religious study is not helping. Maybe I need to do more intense things.

    I guess some piece of baggage in my psyche feels so sad and disappointed. I’m very flexible and open-minded (well I try to be), but it feels more and more like my life is not turning out the way I imagined.

    I don’t know what’s wrong with me. Oh well. If my fate is to be poor rather than rich, I guess it’s in God’s will. He doesn’t want me to have the lifestyle I’ve dreamed of. He wants to punish me. He wants to teach me a lesson. He wants me to be unhappy.

    So I’ll end by saying I leave it all in the hands of God. If God wants me to add stress (and aging!) to my life by worry about money constantly, and constantly feeling like there isn’t enough, and feeling ashamed and embarassed that we can’t spend money like others can… so be it.

    People will just think I’m the idiot for having made the choices I have, and that’s fine. They might be right. Maybe some of my girlfriends will have pity on me, and they’ll use their big purses to help a girl out the next time there’s a big fancy vacation or shopping expedition (some of their guys def have the money to spare).

    Is it better to be utterly completely alone for your whole entire life yet able to have parts of the lifestyle you want, or have togetherness but worry about money all the time because you want to be traditional and not work much and let him lead? (I’m not in denial dreaming of what else OK… market value will have dropped off the cliff by the time I regain my bearings… it takes years and with my personal choices about virginity, it’s a 1 in a bazillion chance)

    I pray to God to just give me the inner peace to live with this. That’s all I need. It’s so hard to let it go, when all around you everyone else has no money problems.
    ”””””””””””’

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  116. on August 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’neither does he”””

    No No

    He does deserve perfection the female entitled princess does not.

    He brings something of value to table.

    The female more often than not is just interested in quiting that good job and chilling out bringing not much to the table in so far as individuality is concerned.

    You can get almost any bitch to do that.

    What makes a woman deserving of having that happen for her?

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  117. I stopped reading after the 18-22 year old section. I refuse to even bother with any girl older than that. You only have one life. Why the hell would you waste it dating girls past their peak attractiveness?

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  118. on August 12, 2010 at 8:19 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’It will excite R. to know that he has many devout acolytes at this point.
    Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.””””

    By well adjusted you mean the average sucker who feels like just getting a woman to fuck him and be willing to stay with him is some magical event?

    The guy who feels like she is the prize just because she has a vaj lol

    The guy who isn’t able to say no to a bitch and ask her some hard personall questions to deduce her true intent.

    The guy who doesn’t test a woman to see what her fortitude is like.

    The guy who doesn’t come up with any expectations out of the woman.

    Every woman I have dated has been “willing” to sacrifice herself to marrying me.

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  119. on August 12, 2010 at 8:25 pm tepid beta spooge

    GGG-

    I have a genital wart that wears a top hat and a monocle.

    His name is Clarence.

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  120. @(r)Evolutionary
    @Gorby,
    You’re feeding the trolls, but doing so with panache. Keep up the good work. Lolzlolozzzoloz.

    A well-fed troll pays you back.

    You mentioned no 22-y/o slut cooch for you–would you date/hang out with “non-slutty” early 20s chicas?

    I like women to carry conversations. Hot pussy is nice, but hot pussy that can talk about more than (insert standard crap pop culture reference here) is even better.

    Even PUAs can be human. Sometimes.

    You recently presented, fearlessly, a bit of your dating history on this forum..I’m curious as to your game MO at the moment, trolls & cardboard condo-dwelling not withstanding.

    Game MO?

    I’ve been hijacked. Wholesale.

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  121. @Rollo Tomassi
    “You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.”
    “I once had the standard discussion about how women can’t find any ‘nice’ guys anymore with a group of 33+ y.o. women. They were just dumbfounded that they weren’t meeting any great guys now that they had “arrived” in life, and how the times and the corrupting media had changed men into selfish, juvenile prigs only interested in the latest crop of hot 22 y.o. women.
    “You know, I just can’t seem to meet any great guys anymore, it’s like they don’t exist now. Rollo what happened to all the Nice men?”
    “They’re all back in your 20′s where you left them.”
    I think girls 18-20’s are all caught up with the atttraction of the alpha male.”

    This is so true. I grew up with a brother that is totally an alpha, so I’ve seem it all. He is smooth and a really nice guy. I can smell the real alphas out (there are pretend alphas), their body language; their speech, their mannerisms etc…….THEIR GAME.

    That’s why I gravitate more towards betas—higher end betas with a twist of alpha. Those are the best. Like I keep saying—a combination of the two qualities is the ultimate.

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  122. I think this guide is also a good way to reverse engineer the process for guys to guess/gauge a girl’s age based on her behaviour.

    There is a group of girls in that 23-27 range that likes the idea of hanging out with older guys in their late 30’s early 40’s.

    For them it’s a way of trading up if the guy has good game and has Demonstrated High Value.

    Interesting experience I had a few years ago.

    A girl I was gaming was petite, very cute and looked 27-30.

    She was very accommodating and keen.

    But after we started hanging out she started displaying signs of neediness and entitlement.

    It was then I discovered her true age was 34.

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  123. on August 12, 2010 at 8:30 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Gorbachev
    @(r)Evolutionary
    @Gorby,
    You’re feeding the trolls, but doing so with panache. Keep up the good work. Lolzlolozzzoloz.

    A well-fed troll pays you back.

    You mentioned no 22-y/o slut cooch for you–would you date/hang out with “non-slutty” early 20s chicas?

    I like women to carry conversations. Hot pussy is nice, but hot pussy that can talk about more than (insert standard crap pop culture reference here) is even better.

    Even PUAs can be human. Sometimes.

    You recently presented, fearlessly, a bit of your dating history on this forum..I’m curious as to your game MO at the moment, trolls & cardboard condo-dwelling not withstanding.

    Game MO?

    I’ve been hijacked. Wholesale.
    ””””””””””

    So you see how peacocking as that old ugly motherfucker could actually work when you start telling bitches they need to pay for dinner lol
    Gonna peak their interest a little he he he

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  124. on August 12, 2010 at 8:36 pm gunslingergregi

    Come on into my box ladies I have a story to tell.

    These eyes have seen everything so ask me anything.

    But first get those lips on this dick.

    he he he

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  125. @gunslingergregi

    Yea but first we are gonna need to see a list of what you as an individual offer a guy that is actually something special that he can’t get off of any other chick on planet in an easier less entitled way.

    That’s another drawback of the unmarried over-30’s. In their 20’s, they never met anybody they found “good enough”.

    Unmarried women over 30 generally have moderate-to-severe self-esteem problems. They do. They generally have far too much self-esteem, and it poisons their lives.

    MJ, if Prince Charming hasn’t come to the door by now, he’s not coming. The set of people you’re willing to marry? It must include at least one person willing to marry YOU. The set of guys who’ve expressed interest in you over the last year or so? Examine the best of the group closely, because he’s likely to be the best you will EVER have expressing an interest in you, or close to that.

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  126. Reading that post, gunslinger, made me LITERALLY laugh out loud. So many women in this country are completely insulated from the realities of life.

    It’s reflected in our politics. A democratic party that wants to hand out another new entitlement every year or a Republican party that doesn’t want to cut anything but push out a new tax cut every year.

    We are a bunch of SPOILED infants.

    The only problem is that there are no alternatives. Europe is demographically collapsing. East Asia is collapsing. South Africa has collapsed. South Asia is wracked with African levels of AIDs and poverty.

    The sad reality is that the United States is the best positioned country in the western world. Maybe I should take a second look at Chile.

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  127. on August 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm gunslingergregi

    Here are my replies to marriage broad.

    gunslingergregi Says:

    LSB
    Yea umm I planned a big giant wedding with the wife and then I cancelled it when I got home on purpose just to see how she would react and also yea I didn’t want to spend that much at the time.

    Then I freaking sent her all my money I had in the world just to see how she would react to me then coming home.

    Because getting the right woman for a man is the most important thing in the world for his well being.

    My woman is passing with freaking flying colors because she loves me.

    I was spending 10k per two weeks I saw her partying like a rock star now I spend about 600 a month and you know what we are happy.
    We are having fun together. Sure there was a couple shit tests but other than that I got her laughing all day long and she still is wet all day.

    Bhetti is correct because now that my woman has proven herself capable I am going to make her rich beyond her wildest fucking dreams.

    Even though I could just grab another chick to do what she does she has earned a spot in my life permanently.

    ”””””You need to love him still, and recognise he has a diff approach to life. Finance is the thing that breaks people up. He may fight his way up, but that’s more difficult if you’re not supporting him too. And he’ll remember how you acted when he was down. You can suggest and work with him to solve it, but not raging at him and making him feel inadequate for not being perfect. He has his imperfections and they’re part of what you love, what you must love and allow for to live with.

    Always think long-term about the relationship, not what difficulty is happening right now.
    ””””””
    He sure as fuck will remember what happened.

    I mean do you understand how money works?
    Have you ever spent 25k in 2 weeks?
    Do you know it is possible to spend 25k a week on a continuous basis and have nothing to show?
    I mean you can spend unlimited amounts of money.
    There is no limit on how much you can spend.
    Do you know millionaires who live lavishly?
    I mean really I was spending 10 g’s in two weeks like it wasen’t shit.

    What is the budget on the wedding?
    You have a job making good money and you could only save enough to buy a purse like that was a big deal?
    I saved a 100 g’s and that is enough for me to retire permanently and have a good time at the strip club for the rest of my life.
    You need to work on being an assett to a man instead of a succubus leech trying to suck him for all he has and have him end up with nothing.
    Have you ever had a 100 g’s in your bank account.
    That is why I encourage men to test their woman and make dam sure that they are bringing more to the table than just pussy.
    I expect a woman to at least own her own house outright and then she is gonna have to demonstrate an ability to save money and support herself without working by opening some business project and managing it on her own.
    My wife cannot read and write and she has done this.
    Why can’t you be an assett to your man?

    Please dump him and give him a chance to get a woman he is compatible with and you can get a man you are compatable with.

    Or please go to some marriage counseling with him or talk about what you expect out of life and he can tell you what he expects out of life.

    If neither of you understand life at all how can you get married?
    Figure these things out for the love of god.

    ””””””I pray to God to just give me the inner peace to live with this. That’s all I need. It’s so hard to let it go, when all around you everyone else has no money problems.”””””

    What do you think you bring to the marriage that warrants you getting shopping trips and the expeditions to places and all that jazz?

    A stay at home woman who’s only job is?

    Your gonna quit your job so he has all bills but then you expect to actually have in addition plenty of time like all day to spend money?

    I mean doctors only freaking making median income of a 96k
    professionals making median of 100k

    So I mean really what does this dude make that would allow you to live lavishly?

    amazing.

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  128. @Dream Puppy

    Thanks, but don’t need dating advice. 🙂

    Already adore a super cool guy.

    I’m just here for the lulz & political posts.

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  129. on August 12, 2010 at 9:12 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””We are a bunch of SPOILED infants.””””
    It is not we guys though it is our woman that are spoiled infants.

    What entitlements to guys recieve?

    That is why we grow up to be men.

    And most of the woman grow up to be worthless.

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  130. @castricv

    Damn, dude, you just described my e-wife.

    She was in her late 20’s-early 30’s when it happened. Your little schedule is so fucking dead-on it makes me blush.

    While some may have pretty decent guys at home, the fact that he isn’t taking her to Rome this very minute or he likes to watch football on Sundays instead of taking her to the ballet makes her feel like she made a horrible mistake that she is stuck with the rest of her life.

    Wow. Summed up most of our last 6 months of marriage.

    She is often aghast at the idea of anyone cheating on their partner, but at the first tingle from a new interesting guy she will literally leave her home, husband, and even kids to “see where it goes”. Sex is often bordering on sadness when they realize how much of a slut they’ve turned into.

    No idea, but I suspect this was / is true of my ex, from my own experience with cheating women.

    Ex. A 28 year old who I thought was cute and knew she had two kids went out to dinner with me one night. She was constantly trying to reconnect with the ex but had no clue how terrible that relationship was nor how much play that guy was getting now that he was free of her and watching the kids.

    My ex was shocked at how quickly (after a year) I adapted. She vaguely suggested to a common acquaintance recently that she made a mistake by getting divorced (a 6-year-younger me somewhere deep inside takes note).

    Deep down she hated being with him but the weight of society and her lack of options made her rationalize getting back with him if possible.

    She despised me, for my weakness. It was unbridled contempt.

    I literally went caveman on her in bed simply cause we knew it was a pump and dump and something mean inside me wanted her to realize how stupid she was. I’m really not a bad guy, but it is what it is.

    I’ll bet the bad boys who trashed her did this with her.

    She sent me love notes for 6 months after this and I finally had to tell her to flat out leave me alone since my non-responses weren’t getting through to her. All this was going on while I know of at least three other guys she has been through in that period alone, one was even her best friends husband. No regrets.

    She chased after one bad-assed dude who completely, utterly tooled her like a puppet. Cried over him, even to me, for a year.

    How nice it was to realize it wasn’t just her.

    How shocking. I wonder if you could do a proper study of this?

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  131. If he likes it then he should have put a ring on it, Mary Jane.

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  132. @Zammo
    Some more to add regarding the 35+ age group.

    This is trading season for the married dames. They are having “cashing-out” divorces and re-entering the dating market.

    Zammo is right. The dating market is flush full of them.

    Most of these recently divorced dames are easy to game within the first few months of them being on the dating scene. But they get humped and dumped so many times that their ASD is honed to razor sharpness.

    They’re all looking for the LTR, but with a guy that they think is worthy of a good STR: A hot, well-off square-jawed Alpha who seems mentally balanced and bright. Divorced is okay. But must be as good as the men she dated before her husband, and definitely better-looking than her husband.

    Counter intuitively, they get pickier and pickier the longer they are in the dating market. I’ve seen some of these women on the online dating websites for years even though they get fatter and fatter.

    They just stay on them for ever.

    Mistakes they make:

    They think they’re hot stuff because a number of men will fuck them (sport fucking for 2-3 months); never more than 3 months. Then they get dumped. And they go on to the next.

    Women, anyone recognize this? Self-analysis is in order.

    The truth is: no men want these women for LTRs. Just for sex. The men they choose obviously have the pick of women if they want them.

    Usually: Online dating (where women can lie about their age (until they meet the man) and status). Dating sites overflow with them.

    The few who manage to hold onto their looks and their figures are few and far between. That group just gets crazier and crazier with more and more yoga and pilates classes.

    And pickier and pickier. If you game them in person, you may never work as hard; if you try online dating, it’s impossible (no man *EVER* meets their standards: I listen to my co-workers; the man they might go for coffee with that they meet on the street they wouldn’t give the time of day to if they met online. Interesting effect.).

    Sure they look good, but they ultimately fall for the three week fling carefully orchestrated by somewhat older, alpha guys who get plenty of pussy and simply move on at the first mention of a committed relationship.

    A relationship will at this point last about 3 months, tops.

    40+ is just surreal. Image 60-year old guys having harems of women. There is no longer talk of committed relationships. These affluent, alpha lotharios have a scheduling problem, not a Game problem. I thank my step-father for demonstrating this.

    I wonder if that’s true.

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  133. This was brilliant, Chateau. You, my friend, are definitely in your prime.

    🙂

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  134. Gorb,

    There are a whole host of reasons why we do the things we do–all influenced by our childhood, believe it or not. We need to look at each situation individually to understand what is happening. I’ve learned not to judge too fast and to keep an open mind. We are unique and come with our own brand of baggage. No one is bad. we are all learning.

    It’s human nature to take things for granted. It is what it is. It’s sad when we can’t see what is good right in front of us.

    I don’t have all the answers but I chose to understand and with understanding everything is brighter and it’s not always about us.

    Thank you for being so candid in your comment. It’s nice to see an alpha?–vulnerable–maybe a little beta?—Good job!

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  135. @Dream Puppy

    If he likes it then he should have put a ring on it, Mary Jane.

    LOLOLOLOL

    I tell 30ish girls who have been in long-term relationships but haven’t set a wedding date yet: “Make a list of what marriage would give him that he isn’t already getting. Now take a good hard look at that list, because it’s a list of things that don’t seem to be very important to him”.

    MJ needs to consider that, at the point the super guy decides it’s time to settle down and marry, that he might decide to do it with a girl who has more years on her biological clock. His mating value is appreciating as he progresses on his career. Hers, isn’t.

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  136. on August 12, 2010 at 9:44 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Gorby,

    I agree–the fluffy, superficial females are boring, no matter how young, hot & tight they are. But brains are no guarantee of sanity or quality. In college I seduced one of my chemistry TA’s. She had a master’s degree & went on for a PhD. Very hot little number, tight body, curly blonde hair–but she was crazy as fuck, going on about the STD’s she was accused (by other men) of having, about how I was the youngest guy she’d dated in a long time, how she liked to call them daddy.. I exited stage left pronto, before even banging her, it was clear she was cuckoo and possibly a sexual health risk.

    Re: Game Modus Operandi–

    Whaddya mean you’ve been hijacked? Somene else posting under your handle? I’m not clear on what you meant by that one. Just wondering, you seem more like a dude looking for an LTR with a quality chick, and not finding one, would enjoy various women’s company until finding a young, hot, tight, and upright woman—a quality babe.

    @Gunslinger–ha, peacocking as an old mofo who tells the ladies “you’re buying.” lolz, that’s the best.

    Re: your comment on chicks owning their own houses, that’s a strong trend I’ve seen recently amongst the urban SWPL chicas. I’ve dated a few. All these female homeowners felt that it also increased their entitlement, since now they come with the equivalent of a dowry. They also ramped up the beta provider succubi aspect, by constantly asking–can you come over and fix my plumbing–and no they were usually not asking for a good cocka session, though a few times I played it that way–went over, gave her a good rogering, and by then it was too late to do anything about the busted sprinkler system. Lol.
    One mid-30’s homeowning SWPL I was banging for a while was constantly asking me and her beta orbiters to do stuff for her on her house. I declined most of the time, but one of her uber-beta exboyfriends was constantly over there, removing dead birds from window sashes, digging out dead trees in her yard, etc. The dude was highly depressed, and this woman treated him with a lot of sympathy while using him for his handyman skill, but long before that, she broke up with him because his depressive, meek demeanor was squarely in beta herbsville.

    So in future dealings with homeowning women, I’ve got to develop a strategy to keep me out of the beta-fixit-provider zone, as well as flip the home entitlement syndrome into a neg.

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  137. @Dream Puppy
    @Michael

    Only a year so far. It’s all good. But thanks and gl to you both.

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  138. @Michael

    MJ needs to consider that, at the point the super guy decides it’s time to settle down and marry, that he might decide to do it with a girl who has more years on her biological clock. His mating value is appreciating as he progresses on his career. Hers, isn’t. >>>>

    Certainly I could let that concern eat away at me.

    But I would hope he knows it’s rare to find another chick like me.
    One who cares so much about being good to her guy, staying youthful, being a cool person to date, helpful, caring and a conservative with values.

    And no I don’t think I’m a special snowflake, it’s merely that modern day women in the Western world reject a lot of morals and think it’s COOL to be utterly selfish and demanding. They sicken me.

    He’d have to get a young mail order bride at this point to find someone traditional.
    And that seems rather hit or miss.

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  139. Once again, in regards to the ridiculous pill popping advice, I’ll say a few words relating to the author’s alternative to taking a pill that some stranger chick that you meet in some club, wants to give you:

    “Either pop that baby and enjoy the ride, or pretend to take it and throw it away when she’s not looking if you’re suspicious of the pill’s origins and purity.”

    How many dudes reading this have an in-depth knowledge in regards to the “origins and purity” of Ecstasy pills, and be able to make an educated guess about it?!?!? Can you honestly look at the pill and conclude, “Oh ya…that’s the good shit!”

    Even if the chick is all nice and everything, and like, “Oh ya…don’t worry, I’ve taken a few from this batch already…it’s cool.” …

    You are fucking crazy if you ingest a pill that some stranger chick gives you, at a club. There is nothing “lame” (as the author suggests) about rejecting such an offer. You think you are all savvy and smart as a PUA, but it’s important to recognize that on any given night, a “club” can attract some very seedy characters who are out to cause trouble. This is why it amazes me that so many chicks are stupid enough to get wasted and shit-faced in such volatile environments.

    Sure, most of the victims will be chicks, but if some seedy hustlers smell money on you…

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  140. Is there anything like this specifically tailored for younger men?

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  141. Gorb,

    It’s about our ability to face reality. When everything seems so perfect, it usually isn’t. Like I said, I ‘m no expert, but I believe some (not all ) women are so caught in the romance and excitement and want to believe what they want to believe that they are blinded by the game. We all want to feel desired and wanted. Unless we have a strong core self and a realistic, balanced ego, anyone will be fooled.

    35+ women don’t want to waste time. This is precisely the issue. In their eager attempt to fulfill a dream they are blind sighted.

    Until we realize and accept that strong desire, heighten lust, sky rocketing excitement will forever be the beginning stages of any relationship, we will never find a deeper, more intimate connection.

    I’ll keep it short. Each situation is different and unique so I fear generalizing.

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  142. What happens if you’re in your 40s? Is it even possible to attract a women under the age of 30 or do you have to hope for a mercy or pity fuck?

    Will it be like this?

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  143. MaryJane — “I had three very BETA guys get engaged to desperate women who don’t get the tingle for them and want Kitchen Bitches before they cheat with Julio the Pool Boy.”

    There. Fixed it for you.

    Bottom line any guy with options can date down to younger, hotter, less baggage laden women. So women in their thirties are stuck with significantly older guys or Beta Schnerdlings who are as exciting as their fabulously gay hairdressers.

    Drunk/Drugged girls *WILL* throw up in your car, on your clothes, pretty much everywhere. And no, the stench will never come out. Trust me on this.

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  144. @nomorefatchicks

    “You are fucking crazy if you ingest a pill that some stranger chick gives you, at a club. …

    …but if some seedy hustlers smell money on you…”

    Dude,

    If I want total safety, I can stay home.

    How much of this drugging and robbing is going on, anyway? Its never happened to anyone I know.

    Secondly, if someone wants to drug you, they can also drop something in your drink instead, which is probably easier to pull-off.

    Third, so you get robbed of some cash in this once a blue-moon event! If a guy’s like me, he’s carrying about four 20s and some smaller bills wrapped in a Benjamin, maybe $200 or so. Big fucking deal. I pay for ass all the time. The rare robbery would be a cost of getting ass, like dinner in a restaurant, except measured against the sex you’re gonna get from some chick that’s blowing up so much that she’s giving away beans to strange guys is probably going to be so off-the-hook, its worth the chance- especially for a guy like PW, who apparently hasn’t even experienced it yet.

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  145. on August 12, 2010 at 10:58 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’@Gunslinger–ha, peacocking as an old mofo who tells the ladies “you’re buying.” lolz, that’s the best.

    Re: your comment on chicks owning their own houses, that’s a strong trend I’ve seen recently amongst the urban SWPL chicas.
    ”””’
    I don’t mean own as in bought from bank and paying a mortgage. I mean own as in paid off and no note.

    But apparently the ladies starting to understand they got to diferentiate themselves or they are just another hole.

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  146. @whiskey

    Not a beta in the bunch.

    All Republicans who mock pussy libtards.

    But they are true blue devout Christians, so perhaps that’s the difference here.

    And yes there will always be someone younger/hotter.

    That’s where guys who really want a marriage/ family life get trapped in the same limbo as women who believe they can trade up to richer/more powerful.

    Call me naive and silly and old fashioned but I truly believe the inside matters a lot.

    Anyway, a guy could marry a much younger/hotter woman and use that against him because she feels superior.
    They have kids and she lets herself go.
    While a woman who is sober to the facts of aging will do all she can to stay pleasing to her man.

    🙂

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  147. @unlearning genius …

    Anyone who uses the B word unprovoked has issues.

    I am Catholic and have morals.

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  148. @Spliff,

    “What happens if you’re in your 40s? Is it even possible to attract a women under the age of 30 or do you have to hope for a mercy or pity fuck?”

    I’m 47, and nothing to write home about. I’m only 5’9″, and have a well-under-six-figure job. Since I turned 40, I’ve had young ass left and right. Sometimes I pay directly, sometimes I don’t. Soon after I hit 40, I started dating a hot 23 YO that lived in a swingers club, and I did little more financially than pay for her booze and party favors.

    I took a cute 22 YO to a swingers club a couple of times, and she keeps asking about going back no money involved (Well, now she’s in jail, but until she was arrested again last week…).

    I found the world-class-cute chick on the video at the link on Craigs two years ago when she was 19, and was having seriously hot sex with her for $180 a shot: http://tampabukkake.com/tour/sluts/sabrina_minibukkake.htm? The first time I was with her, she volunteered to swallow my load.

    I have a 23 YO sugarbaby that was earning six figures as a stripper a few years ago that fell for me, though she’s almost as expensive as a wife. OK, I’m exaggerating, but still, she’s at least 1/8th as expensive as a wife.

    You’ll do fine.

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  149. Jennifer Aniston Adopts 33-Year-Old Boyfriend From Africa

    Jennifer Aniston Adopts 33-Year-Old Boyfriend From Africa

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  150. @Spliff

    What happens if you’re in your 40s? Is it even possible to attract a women under the age of 30 or do you have to hope for a mercy or pity fuck?

    Will it be like this?

    Fucking A.

    Dude.

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  151. @what
    Gorb,
    There are a whole host of reasons why we do the things we do–all influenced by our childhood, believe it or not. We need to look at each situation individually to understand what is happening. I’ve learned not to judge too fast and to keep an open mind. We are unique and come with our own brand of baggage. No one is bad. we are all learning.

    I think our childhood has a big influence, but I think our genes have as much. Anyway, we carry it all with us.

    And we do need to look at each situation individually. But there are clear, descriptive patterns that illuminate trends.

    It’s human nature to take things for granted. It is what it is. It’s sad when we can’t see what is good right in front of us. I don’t have all the answers but I chose to understand and with understanding everything is brighter and it’s not always about us.

    Thank you for being so candid in your comment. It’s nice to see an alpha?–vulnerable–maybe a little beta?—Good job!

    Hey, I never claimed to be an alpha. But I put on a good show when the hormones come a calling.

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  152. MJ

    Guys who avoid the M word avoid the pitfalls you seem to want to wallow in.

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  153. @(R)Evolutionary

    @Gorby,
    Re: Game Modus Operandi–
    Whaddya mean you’ve been hijacked? Somene else posting under your handle? I’m not clear on what you meant by that one. Just wondering, you seem more like a dude looking for an LTR with a quality chick, and not finding one, would enjoy various women’s company until finding a young, hot, tight, and upright woman—a quality babe.

    Um, you got me pegged there – not sure I should use the verb “peg” in this environment – and this is what I mean by hijacked.

    I thought I had another addition to the cycle. I appear to have hit the jackpot. Not I’m dealing with having, um, hit the jackpot.

    A note to the unwary: Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.

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  154. -this post is epic
    -shouting thomas reference is mad old skool.
    -I love you Mary Jane.

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  155. Aaah, this explains why when my hot 21 year old female friend and I tried to ‘help’ our ridiculously alpha male friend game a random woman we only made her leave.

    We went up to him while he was chatting to her, playfully touched him and asked him what he was doing before disappearing into the crowd. I figured it would demonstrate how high status he was.

    Perhaps if we’d known she was in her early 30s we would have stayed away.

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  156. on August 13, 2010 at 12:20 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””I have a 23 YO sugarbaby that was earning six figures as a stripper a few years ago that fell for me, though she’s almost as expensive as a wife. OK, I’m exaggerating, but still, she’s at least 1/8th as expensive as a wife.

    You’ll do fine.

    ”””””’
    Ain’t that the truth.

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  157. on August 13, 2010 at 12:20 am Badger Nation

    “I once had the standard discussion about how women can’t find any ‘nice’ guys anymore with a group of 33+ y.o. women. They were just dumbfounded that they weren’t meeting any great guys now that they had “arrived” in life, and how the times and the corrupting media had changed men into selfish, juvenile prigs only interested in the latest crop of hot 22 y.o. women.

    “You know, I just can’t seem to meet any great guys anymore, it’s like they don’t exist now. Rollo what happened to all the Nice men?”

    “They’re all back in your 20′s where you left them.””

    Tom Leykis had a hilarious segment where he read an article about middle-aged single women on the hunt for husbands.

    Tom theorized “you know those scenes in movies where they show time passing, and they have clock hands moving fast and calendar pages falling off the wall? That’s what I imagine these women feel like, when they think back about some Poindexter they could have dated or married, but they shot him down for a better offer or to bang some badboy and now they’re stuck with no man and Poindexter doesn’t want them anymore.”

    So tired of hearing “where are the good guys.” Take a hint from football: quality is a lifelong habit, not something you just decide you want one afternoon.

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  158. MaryJane,

    I am Catholic and you are in my prayers.

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  159. “I have a 23 YO sugarbaby that was earning six figures as a stripper a few years ago that fell for me”

    This reminds me of when I used to hang out and play basketball with a bunch of really hardcore, grew-up-in-all-black-neighborhood types. The alpha of the group who was in his mid-30s did not work but had a cushy lifestyle because his girlfriend/mother of his kid was a stripper-provider.

    Now that’s game, that’s hand and that’s alpha. That’s pimping it ghetto style and living burbs’ style. What we talk about here ain’t shit compared to that.

    (If you’re wondering, the guy in question was half-black, but looked 90% white, in features and skin tone.) His girlfriend was a blond white chick. He also had a young nanny who was in love with him.

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  160. Ah yes. The difficulty of being a real human being.

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  161. on August 13, 2010 at 1:02 am Badger Nation

    “I agree–the fluffy, superficial females are boring, no matter how young, hot & tight they are. But brains are no guarantee of sanity or quality. In college I seduced one of my chemistry TA’s. She had a master’s degree & went on for a PhD. Very hot little number, tight body, curly blonde hair–but she was crazy as fuck, going on about the STD’s she was accused (by other men) of having, about how I was the youngest guy she’d dated in a long time, how she liked to call them daddy.. I exited stage left pronto, before even banging her, it was clear she was cuckoo and possibly a sexual health risk. ”

    I have noticed no correlation between brains and craziness. Went to a smart school. Chicks there ran the gamut from low-self-esteem abuser magnets up to sex-positive sleep-a-hos and super entitlement princesses, and everything in between. They might be really sharp in the classroom and the athaneum, but in social life they are cut from the same statistical cloth as your average middle class American babe.

    That was one of the disappointments when I entered the real world and met more regular bar chicks. Same old neurotic shit when it came to dating, but they weren’t nearly as interesting to talk to when the game was off.

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  162. on August 12, 2010 at 11:06 pm unlearning genius ...

    @MaryJane,

    Bitch, you are exactly the kind of 31-35 year old deluded spinster that ch has just described. You have deftly erased all the “bad-boy” banging of your early years .. no way you are both attractive and never had a string of “exciting” guys ..while you were chasing your “career”. Now this super cool guy you talk about is clearly a beta nice guy that you are making into a “cool guy” who is into a “chaste traditional” woman like you. Scratch the surface a little and all that R talks about is right here.

    This is exactly why the 31-35 year old bracket is a wasteland. Your “hamster” is clearly visible to anyone that knows to check for it and yet you talk as if you are an exception to the rule. No smart man should invest his resources into such “deals” as you. It is clearly a fool’s gamble.

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  163. on August 13, 2010 at 1:06 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Original JB
    “I have a 23 YO sugarbaby that was earning six figures as a stripper a few years ago that fell for me”

    This reminds me of when I used to hang out and play basketball with a bunch of really hardcore, grew-up-in-all-black-neighborhood types. The alpha of the group who was in his mid-30s did not work but had a cushy lifestyle because his girlfriend/mother of his kid was a stripper-provider.

    Now that’s game, that’s hand and that’s alpha. That’s pimping it ghetto style and living burbs’ style. What we talk about here ain’t shit compared to that.

    (If you’re wondering, the guy in question was half-black, but looked 90% white, in features and skin tone.) His girlfriend was a blond white chick. He also had a young nanny who was in love with him.
    ””””””””’
    Then you haven’t been reading he he he

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  164. “What happens if you’re in your 40s? Is it even possible to attract a women under the age of 30 or do you have to hope for a mercy or pity fuck?”

    Is looking at a video of a majorly bald, bearded liberal comedian really your best guide to reality?

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  165. “Then you haven’t been reading he he he”

    OK…but he had the 19 year old nanny too! So there! 😉

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  166. father.

    Yur prayers are one thing. U go dude…But Mary Jane cannot take a dump until you pull yur dick out of her ass.

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  167. on August 13, 2010 at 1:22 am Epic win is directly proportional to epic fail.

    No Chateau proprietor has experience dating or fucking women 39 years old or older

    If you guys are purportedly players this basically just means that you really don’t like sex as much as you think you do. Or are just uptight about it.

    Look, imagine the way you would feel about a “foodie” who prefers to eat gourmet all the time. As long as the guy could enjoy a hamburger, and did, every nowandthen, you wouldn’t think anything was wrong with him: he just has his tastes, different strokes different folks.
    Now imagine the same dude, but he has NEVER had a hamburger, and makes a point of bragging all the time about how he doesn’t have to stoop that low. Even if he was eating top shelf g manifesto food all the time, you’d still think he had some sort of stick up his ass, and was always trying to prove something.

    Same thing with all this “I’ve NEVER fucked an old broad” stuff. Look, dude, if you really like sex, you’d’ve at least tried it. Especially these days when there are lots of honestly hot ones out there, what with plastic surgery and all.
    I’m not saying you have to make a career out of it, I’m just saying that the fact that you feel bragworthy about never having tried, just paints a picture of you as someone who can’t even enjoy fucking without having to feel oh so socially superior about it.
    Getting your hands and your dick dirty is half the fun, dude, I’m 24 and I’ve had a lot of the best fucks of my life with women twenty years older than me.

    Oh, and, “hotter women = better sex” also paints a picture of a guy who hasn’t fucked very many hot women. In fact, it paints a picture of a guy who just got out of bed from his very first hot woman, and was so overwhelmed that he shot jizz halfway across the room and wrote a blog post about it. Like getting your first paycheck, it feels better than it is.
    Thought experiment. Imagine 100 guys who’ve had a lot of sex (say over 50 women each). Imagine that you ask them to picure the hottest woman they’ve been with. Now imagine that you ask them to picture the best sex they’ve ever had. How many of them will actually picture the same woman? I say less than ten out of 100.

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  168. Hamster hamster hamster hamster.

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  169. ^^^ Nice try toolbox, and that’s a lot of testimony but let’s put it this way – almost all of us like hamburgers but know better than to buy the packages that are brown and stinky inside. you can avoid this by reading the date label!

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  170. Spliff

    “What happens if you’re in your 40s? Is it even possible to attract a women under the age of 30 or do you have to hope for a mercy or pity fuck?”

    How many times do we have to repeat ourselves here?

    I know loads of guys in their 40s across different spectrums who bang hot, under 30 girls. Some of these guys are the successful/mature type, some of these guys have fooled everyone into thinking they’re in their 30s. It just depends.

    If you look/act like Louis CK in that clip than yah, banging a hot broad is just a fantasy. But you know what? Someone with Louis CK’s real life status is gonna have opportunity to pull hot ass. He’s said himself that he’s never gotten laid ‘for his looks’ (obv), the gina’s tingle in many, many mysterious ways but the code is gettin cracked

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  171. on August 13, 2010 at 1:47 am gunslingergregi

    ””””Original JB
    “Then you haven’t been reading he he he”

    OK…but he had the 19 year old nanny too! So there! 😉
    ”””””””
    lolzzzzzz

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  172. “Oh, and, “hotter women = better sex” also paints a picture of a guy who hasn’t fucked very many hot women.”

    Here’s an interesting question for you all. How important are a girl’s look to your sexual pleasure? I’ve heard guys say with full sincerity “Once the lights are out, it doesn’t matter how she looks, just how she fucks.” But I would swear that blow jobs feel twice as good when my cock is in a beautiful face than when it’s in a relatively plain one.

    What do you all think?

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  173. Fucking a hot woman is like driving a new car.

    After a while you get used to it and wish you could drive something better.

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  174. on August 13, 2010 at 3:52 am unlearning genius ...

    All this hotness craze signals keyboard alphaness. Hot women are by definition highly sought after in the market and hence will demand more (sure you might get an easy one once in a while, but in general you have to invest something, even if only a promise).

    The question is not “Do i want to fuck her?” .. it is “am i willing to invest energy and take risks to fuck her”

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  175. MaryJane is a guy and possibly Chateau. Read those punchy, to-the-point responses and masculine phrasings: “All republicans who mock pussy libtards”. No women writes like this and uses her most valuable possession as a perjorative! Whoever it is is likely chuckling at all the white knighting in evidence in responding to the “fair damsel’s” “need”.

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  176. You have hit the bullseye once more.

    My only point of difference is that (in Australia anyway) most women in the 36 – 40 agegroup cling onto the 35 year old’s mindset and mentality with reckless disregard for what the actions of all men (and other women) are telling them.

    Here you will often hear , “40 is the new 30”

    Yeah baby , keep telling yourself that , suuuuuure it is.

    You would be suprised how many women here think that age of 40 , having never married and not having had kids , they are still capable of living out the “happy marriage with kids in suburbia” dream.

    The level of self and group delusion these women engage in would be frightening if it wasn’t so well disguised.

    The flipside of this is the plethora of divorcees and single mothers that have spread like a government funded epidemic thoughout the cities and suburbs.
    Most of them desperate to hook their claws into the next unwary male that is dumb enough or desperate enough to settle for women with use-by dates from the previous decade or beyond.

    The next 30 something woman that comments to me about the lack of good men (or something else to that effect) will get a response along these lines.

    “Yes , you are right. There are few men around that are good enough for a great woman like you. You have so much to offer and you have so many qualities. You deserve the best and you should settle for nothing less than the best”

    Then I will walk away and hope that the cognative dissonance that bounces around her half empty head from this, won’t cause her skull to explode while I’m in the vicinity.

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  177. unlearning genius, I am not sure whence that notion of yours is coming from. 8-9s are often easier than 6-7s, especially when you catch them before their entitlement hamster starts going on a full runner at about 23-24 yo, and then the hotness scale still makes not much a difference.

    It looks more like your assessment value results in a projection and expectations based on that. Once you get the game into your bloodstream, the expenditure of energy is pretty much the same regardless of attraction pecking order–nearly effortless.- in a comparison with your present trepidations.

    It is all easy, in comparison with gaming your VLTR/wifey for life. That is really a hard nut to crack.

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  178. MaryJane, I’m about to give you some really unpopular advice.

    Stop holding out for prince charming. Commit to the guy you’re in love with. If the guy you’re in love with doesn’t want to commit, then you’re in love with the wrong guy, or maybe you don’t want commitment as much as you think you do.

    It’s okay to not want to do the family and kids thing.

    If you do, then once you’ve got a commitment, have kids as soon as he wants to. Don’t think too much about the future.

    Why?

    The future’s going to come no matter what. Stuff happens. However, you’ll be much happier as a divorced (officially or unoffically) mother, than you would be as a cat lady, even if he leaves you for a hoe, than you would be if you never gave it a shot. You’ll always wonder what if you had…

    If you’re fortunate, he’ll never leave, but you can’t always be so worried that you don’t try. There is no such thing as a sure thing. Even when men don’t leave, they sometimes die or become ill, or lose their mojo. All kinds of things can happen.

    Seize the day.

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  179. So Citizen Renegade isn’t run by one person? Since you keep referring to the blog as “us”, “the Chateau” and “we”.

    Anyone else agree?

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  180. He did recently say something that lead me to believe there is more than one writer. The style seems pretty consistent, though.

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  181. Jonathan, I believe your feelings are legit for a couple of reasons.

    One could be social. It’s an ego boost to shag a hot chick. Mostly though, men like femininity, and a more feminine woman “fits” better.

    Sex is an interaction. A straight man doesn’t generally want to have sex with someone who reminds him too much of a man. Most of what’s considered hot or beautiful about a woman, is the way that she is different from a man.

    So the touch, smell, sound, and overall sensation of being with a more feminine woman is going to be better for the more masculine man.

    The only caveat I’d put in there though, is that for a guy who is extremely masculine, it might not take much femininity for him to feel that he’s with someone who is feminine enough. This might be how some alphas manage to dip all the way up and down the female food chain.

    Still, even they feel better with someone who is more of a woman, provided the physical compatibility is okay. Some larger guys may choose more masculine women because they want to shag, not do origami.

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  182. on August 13, 2010 at 5:01 am unlearning genius ...

    “MaryJane is a guy and possibly Chateau.”

    Naah .. men usually don’t have glaring logical flaws in their reasoning .. nor do they say things like “anybody using the b-word” kind of social shaming attempts. MJ is a 31-35 year old born again slut who has managed to entrap a good beta and will probably convince him she is snow white ..

    she has clearly reformed her image and has clearly sold it to herself… and is ready to hook some religious simple minded guy and sell him her used up wares. It is the coldness and pure sham of it all that makes me shiver.

    Half sigma has a very illuminating post http://www.halfsigma.com/2008/04/the-single-wome.html

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  183. “But I would hope he knows it’s rare to find another chick like me.
    One who cares so much about being good to her guy, staying youthful, being a cool person to date, helpful, caring and a conservative with values.”

    @MaryJane- that doesn’t make you unique. There are literally BILLIONS of women from every country not named Canada or North America (Or England? Not too sure) who’s M.O. is exactly what you mentioned. Why do you think its so special that you don’t treat men like shit and let yourself go after 30?

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  184. Exactly Dream Puppy. The best thing for women to realize is that they are just like everyone else. There are even plenty of women like her in the United States.

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  185. Vertigo – Didn’t you hear? David Alexander is an editorial intern for Le Chateau. Mary Jane is the receptionist. yahhh.

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  186. Agree w/ Nicole and Laura.

    “A number of my single women friends admit (in hushed voices and after I swear I won’t use their real names here) that they’d readily settle now but wouldn’t have 10 years ago. They believe that part of the problem is that we grew up idealizing marriage — and that if we’d had a more realistic understanding of its cold, hard benefits, we might have done things differently. Instead, we grew up thinking that marriage meant feeling some kind of divine spark, and so we walked away from uninspiring relationships that might have made us happy in the context of a family.”

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/23053553

    An oldie but a goodie. She’s a bit jaded though- wonder why. Why do women get their ideas of romance from movies????

    In a sense we all settle. My husband is just about as perfect a match for me as anyone….but I could have held out for a guy JUST like him…except with millions in the bank and a penchant for dancing salsa/merengue. But no. I “settled”. And now I have the greatest gift a man could have ever given me aside from his love. Peace of mind.

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  187. I think you need to use words like compromise instead of settle.

    It’s about being realistic, not having ridiculous lists etc. not ‘settling’.

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  188. @Rollo Tomassi

    They’re all back in your 20′s where you left them.

    Man that’s some Diogenes type shit…. awesome

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  189. Really excellent post!

    How about a post on game tips for women who are single moms?

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  190. on August 13, 2010 at 9:58 am Rollo Tomassi

    @MaryJane

    The difference between contemporary men’s gender doctrines and those of women’s is that women’s tends toward the ultimate end of marriage or at least an LTR commitment. This is the idealized goal state; single monogamous union with the best available mating option in terms of breeding and long term provisioning (i.e. hypergamy). Men on the other hand are genetically disposed to mating with the best available short term option(s) based on physicality and sexual availability.

    These are conflicting breeding methodologies. For one sex to fulfill it’s methodology the other must rescind their own. Thus, in order for one gender to maintain a social dominance in terms of breeding methodologies, the other must be characterized in the negative. This is why men’s polygyny is socially vilified while women’s hypergamy is the accepted norm. Men are then socially predisposed to associate women not only as the sexual filters of society, but the rules makers and the arbiters of that same social and moral acceptability.

    Your indignation at this blog or the community on whole is due in large part to this social framework. You see the summation of dating, Game, romance, etc. resulting in the finality of an idealized, hypergamously perfected marriage (the female imperative). The inner conflict you and most women in your demographic have is that the same hypergamy you hope to perfect has become the source of your worst frustrations. The constant, feminine primary entitlements women have been been conditioned to expect from idealized Men becomes the means of their worst disillusionments.

    The hope was to assert the dominance of the feminine breeding strategy by conditioning and shaming Men into the internalized belief that it was their moral / social responsibility to accommodate the female methodology at the sacrifice of his own. Marriage is the RIGHT thing to do, so sayeth the gate keepers of sexuality. Only now that social convention based on feminine hypergamy is running headlong into the realities biomechanics.

    You see, while you may in fact still be sexually attractive at 34, the simple truth is that you are not AS attractive as the next generation of 22 year olds arriving on the sexual market every year. Today’s hotties are tomorrow’s clearance rack items. With each passing year you become progressively less able to compete with the newer younger and hotter women becoming available. So, in order to counter this, women are forced to create new social conventions, new gender definitions, etc. in an attempt to level the playing field. Thus we get social dictums celebrating cougars, and myths of women’s new sexual prime (38 to 40? shocking).

    Feminization’s worst failings aren’t due to Men awakening (and reacting) to this fresh understanding of feminine primary social dynamics – their worse fear is their finally acknowledging that hypergamy is painting them into corner within their own social constructs. The hope is to cash out their hypergamous chips before an individual male becomes aware enough to see the Matrix for what it is. Your 3 just-married friends may have managed to pull that off, but not you. And it’s not blogs like this that are hindering that, it’s the inherent flaws built into a feminine primary social structure long ago. Times up.

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  191. @ GGG

    “If you hang out where WHORES hang out in order to ‘fuck’ you are pretty much a WHORE yourself.

    How hard is that for you dumbfucks to understand?

    You’re the lowest common denominator. You’ll fuck a drunk skank. You’ll fuck anything that spreads for you.

    You sicken me.”

    Who the fuck invited Wendy Schwartz?

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  192. @unlearning genius: If MJ is a guy trying to pass himself of as a chick he WOULD have logical flaws, etc. The problem is the writing style.
    For example:

    “I genuinely like most men and feel oodles of sympathy for them that women CAN be so difficult.
    I enjoy being feminine and girly and only go thru random periods of wanting to achieve a lot. Pretty happy just being alive. lol

    I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin based on my limited picky dating habits.”

    This reads like the guy had in mind a checklist of typical female platitudes and inconsistencies and he got them all down but he couldn’t authentically imitate the style of a mid-thirties chick, e.g., “feel oodles of sympathy” what serious mid-thirties chick writes like that – it sounds like a guy parodying a young twenty-something.

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  193. “But I do want to throttle them. I internally cuss them out and think how their bitchtude is just making life harder for themselves and giving sweet girls a bad name.”

    This is a girl? “throttle them”? “cuss them out”? “BITCHITUDE” ?!? Yeah right.

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  194. I disagree with his statement that girls peak in looks at 18. That’s too simplistic. But there probably are a higher percentage of girls at 18 who are at least cute or pretty than at any other age.

    However I think the hottest girls usually peak in hotness in their mid 20s, and many of them plateau quite nicely until their early 30s and sometimes mid thirties, especially if they don’t smoke, or drink too much, avoid carb junk food and get lots of protein and nutrients, and exercise. Which most don’t. By hottest I mean 8s and up, not just swimsuit or men’s mag models.

    Some girls are pretty damn hot through most or even all their 30s. Just a whole lot fewer, diminishing as their 30s progress.

    And a few women are at least fairly hot in their 40s. Not in the same way as an early 20s girl, but still. But not many.

    Girls in our high education culture should marry in their mid 20s.

    But guys shouldn’t get married because of divorce 2.0. Until it’s changed to something more reasonable towards men, instead of such a one way contact entirely obligating men and not women, in the great majority of marriages, women being hypergamous at marriage on status and money. Live with a woman instead. That will also keep her on her toes more, and less likely to go off sex or blow up like a sea lion.

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  195. Also, let me just clarify too that I am not in any way a “gamer” or a PUA. I never dedicated a ton of thought to the nuances of interactions with women. Once I got a firm grasp of what they want and what they think they need, you could make them into a type. Very few women (or even men for that matter) have the strength of character or the brainpower to not fall in line with their type. I basically come here to nod my head and be entertained. IF any of my experiences can do the same for others, well great.

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  196. Dream Puppy

    @firepower how is it a pain to post on my blog? commentary is open.

    posting does NOT work there. It DOES here, obviously.

    dint you notice “0 comments” on all your latest stuff?

    pls get it together

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  197. Dream puppy i wanted to comment to. I couldn’t!

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  198. Man I wish I knew hot to link to another comment for reference on this site…

    From Gorbachev
    @castricv

    Damn, dude, you just described my e-wife.

    She was in her late 20′s-early 30′s when it happened. Your little schedule is so fucking dead-on it makes me blush.

    While some may have pretty decent guys at home, the fact that he isn’t taking her to Rome this very minute or he likes to watch football on Sundays instead of taking her to the ballet makes her feel like she made a horrible mistake that she is stuck with the rest of her life.

    Wow. Summed up most of our last 6 months of marriage.

    She is often aghast at the idea of anyone cheating on their partner, but at the first tingle from a new interesting guy she will literally leave her home, husband, and even kids to “see where it goes”. Sex is often bordering on sadness when they realize how much of a slut they’ve turned into.

    No idea, but I suspect this was / is true of my ex, from my own experience with cheating women.

    Ex. A 28 year old who I thought was cute and knew she had two kids went out to dinner with me one night. She was constantly trying to reconnect with the ex but had no clue how terrible that relationship was nor how much play that guy was getting now that he was free of her and watching the kids.

    My ex was shocked at how quickly (after a year) I adapted. She vaguely suggested to a common acquaintance recently that she made a mistake by getting divorced (a 6-year-younger me somewhere deep inside takes note).

    Deep down she hated being with him but the weight of society and her lack of options made her rationalize getting back with him if possible.

    She despised me, for my weakness. It was unbridled contempt.

    I literally went caveman on her in bed simply cause we knew it was a pump and dump and something mean inside me wanted her to realize how stupid she was. I’m really not a bad guy, but it is what it is.

    I’ll bet the bad boys who trashed her did this with her.

    She sent me love notes for 6 months after this and I finally had to tell her to flat out leave me alone since my non-responses weren’t getting through to her. All this was going on while I know of at least three other guys she has been through in that period alone, one was even her best friends husband. No regrets.

    She chased after one bad-assed dude who completely, utterly tooled her like a puppet. Cried over him, even to me, for a year.

    How nice it was to realize it wasn’t just her.

    How shocking. I wonder if you could do a proper study of this?

    —– Gorb, I can expand upon this a bit and pull from years before this 3 year window. I’
    married now, but these things still strike me as near universal truths, so once you remember age groups, situations, and past history’s effect on the women you are with it becomes exceedingly easy to pick a course of action. I let ch do the flamboyant pickups and gaming. What I do use of his (which to be honest I learned well before I came here) is to keep a confident almost aloof approach when you are with a brand new-potential girl. Once you have gotten to know each other better, you can mellow out, but never can you lose the upper hand. This does not mean be an uncaring asshole, unless the chick you are with is a borderline club slut and I can assure you it isn’t going to last. What I mean by keeping the upper hand, is that she always has to know (subtle) is that you are the man and you are better in all things, even if it is just marginally, than her.

    For example, if she ever thinks that she is smarter than you, better at money than you, knows the world more than you, you are going to have a tough time not having her think she can do better. Strength and athleticism go without saying since if she is stronger than you, you either are dating an elephant or you need to get in the gym immediately. I am happily married and have no worries about her mental state ever. It was through years of learning and experience that I can tell what the female faults were and when I saw that hers were minimal and that she was totally subserviant, it’s been perfect. While she hates the term ‘game’ and probably rightfully so, her actions and words speak to full understanding of its purpose. She quotes the Bible as saying that women are to be subservient to their husbands. She hates bitchy women in any sphere of life. The other day I smiled with pride when she agreed that women getting the vote was probably not the best thing and their continued growth in politics and the job market are hurting this country.

    If you want I can get a little more in depth on the age brackets and even go one step further and bring in their histories as a vital part of how to pursue them. Just comment and I’ll do it since I’m not sure how many people actually are reading it to justify my time.

    I guess it all boils down to this: If you want to pick up a chick at a bar, this is the site to read. If you want to have one or several girls that are completely into you at a time, you need to dig a bit deeper and act like a man by using your brain.

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  199. Can verify your statement re younger girls being easier to bed than the olders. That came as a bit of a shock to me. My female contemporaries,who so rudely rejected my sacred sexual desires in the past,have aged and are now fat,old and jiggly,…and I am geting offers from younger and younger women!!! if only my steel rod jacking off in porno theatres (yes I really did that! the lesbian scenes drove me wild!) younger self could see me now…

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  200. bictopia

    Dream puppy i wanted to comment to. I couldn’t!

    puppy is just playing hard to get. once 50 people tell her posting doesn’t work on her blog, she’ll suddenly admit we’re right, but only because 50 people say so. this makes me think she’s could be kind of hot.

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  201. the baleful reality is the top 1% of women (personality, looks, marriageability) are nearly all engaged or off the market by 21. Exg… yale university, beauty queen, model from Kansas.

    Those types of women will all be taken by 21 because
    1) their boyfriend would never be so stupid as to cheat and if he does he will regret it every day for the rest of his life (my gf’s ex)
    2) Every male in her sphere of friends will leap at the opporunity to date if she becomes single.
    3) being a gorgeous embodiment of loveliness, she can get any man she wants and can easily choose and find her perfect man by 21. If she puts a match.com ad up she’ll get 50 responses a day in a big city.
    4) she wants to get married because she likes monogamous relationships and she can get anything she wants.
    4) by 22 they are old fish and rotten from the dating cesspool and have lost lovely feminine beauty and affect. If a top 1% girl makes it this far her heart has been shattered.

    top 1% girls over 22 are like sasquatch sightings (my husband of 10 years died, my husband cheated on me)……. I don’t think they exist. so if you ever want to get married to a woman worth marrying you have to aim for unusally mature 18-20 and that’s only place to be.

    alphas historically married teenage virgins. Elvis, etc..

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  202. john

    ,…and I am geting offers from younger and younger women!!! if only my steel rod jacking off in porno theatres (yes I really did that! the lesbian scenes drove me wild!) younger self could see me now…

    tmi…

    please break glass, and retrieve box of Kleenex

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  203. Guys, I’m 19. Have I hit the wall yet?! Should I start looking for a husband now?! I don’t know if anyone will have me because my WHR is 0.74…

    Also, who wants to take this MDMA with me?

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  204. CH has quite astutely pointed out what is happening with women in the Western world.

    One thing that intrigues me is why ?

    What is creating this behaviour , this messed up mindset and attitude ?

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  205. uh oh: Will have to see a pic first.

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  206. firepower and bic- i will check in on it, i thought comments were open.

    haha- i though i had 0 comments cuz no one reads my blog. its very self indulgent- this one is way more interesting.

    firepower- i am attractive but not hot. id say around a 6 maybe 7. sorry to disappoint.

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  207. “Plus, actual slutty behavior has been defined down so that five partners today is equivalent to one partner thirty years ago.”

    By who, feminists or everyone in general? I would not call five partners at such a young age innocent…..

    Also–in terms of hanging out vs. dating…

    This explains a lot. I’ve been asked to hang out before and later on said guy has expressed interest. I guess because I was the nerd girl everyone didn’t really like in high school, I assumed that guys just want to be friends. I guess I was really wrong about that.

    To me hanging out is a friend activity. Yeah, you might have crushes on each other, but 90% of the time it should be a friend activity. I hang out with my female friends, I hang out with my male friends. But if the context of hang out is changing, so that people don’t have dates, they hang out, then it must be in line with today’s hook up culture.

    So many vague words. Fifty years ago, I doubt people were in “pseudo relationships” (a pseudo relationship being people who were hanging out and hooking up, hooking up being also a vague term, for so long), I bet people were either together or they weren’t. None of this in the middle crap.

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  208. brightstormyday
    confessed:

    I would not call five partners at such a young age innocent…..

    im assuming you’ve had 4, but that could change when you get into college. dorms are multistory fuckhavens yk.

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  209. @too late for romance

    Thank you.

    I believe that a man is at least well known for his enemies as for his friends. Therefore, given your posts it’s very affirming to feel your visceral hatred for men who know the real score.

    So thanks! I knew I was on the right track.

    Part of being a decent and useful person is having the right enemies.

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  210. Man, there’s no one more rooted to our reality than CH. What an observer of human behavior.

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  211. It would be interesting to analyze how age effects males. In an article titled, Older males signal more reliably, it is stated, “This provides a novel rationale for female preference for older mates; older males reveal more information in their sexual displays.”. If some of the ideas in this article were applied to humans, you can come up with an interesting conclusion. Age for males is a “handicap”, as in the handicap principle. Take someone like Schwarzenegger from his late 30s, here you have someone who has a very muscular physique, and also is very successful. Does age separate the wheat from the chaff for males?

    Could it be stated that, “Father time tests men to see if they have good survival value, whereas he takes away the replication value from women.”

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  212. Perhaps the biggest hurdle that older men (35+) face when gaming younger women is the social conditioning of younger women.
    The older men that get around this ageist conditioning are usually high status and/or wealthy and/or famous.

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  213. I wrote a comment for a certain post, but got moderated out, so here it is:

    We were all talking about sex and power and here is what I think:

    Using sex as a bargaining power game in any relationship is pathetic– it goes for both sexes. Power games in general are counterproductive. What ever happened to good old values of selflessness, devotion, care, consideration, understanding etc……

    Loose the entitlement attitude.

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  214. Quote: ” Loose the entitlement attitude. ”

    Yeah , like that is going to happen any time soon.

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  215. Give me a source. Give me a source for that percentage that had an actually well-done study with a good control group, unbiased researchers, unbiased funding, that will turn up the same percentage range across every culture.

    Yeah, that sounds like time well spent. While you’re at it, get old hundred-notch here a pony too. She can nitpick it to death after she’s done with it.

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  216. @Vertigo

    “So Citizen Renegade isn’t run by one person? Since you keep referring to the blog as “us”, “the Chateau” and “we”.

    Anyone else agree?”

    @Laura

    “He did recently say something that lead me to believe there is more than one writer. The style seems pretty consistent, though.”

    From the evidence of the posts and comments: First there was an SP PUA w/a degree in science and a job in statistics. Joined about a year later by a Conservative MRA. The sheer volume of posts and comments requires a webmaster. So that’s 3 at least.

    They said “been a multi-headed operation for a couple years now” a few months ago (in a comment thread).

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  217. @ch

    good tip on college age re: asking her on a date is too “serious”. thanks.

    @castricv

    great comment.

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  218. “What is creating this behaviour , this messed up mindset and attitude ?”

    1- The Pill, sexual liberation and feminism have allowed young women to have sex without kids and marriage.

    2- Divorce has made that the twenty-something girls are hit by twenty-something, thirty-something and forty-something men.

    3- Hence, young women have a false sense of abundance (of males) and a false perception of their value in the relationship market. They think that lots of men are interested in a relationship with them, while these men only want to have sex with them (this is projection because women don’t have sex with a men if they don’t judge him relationship-worthy)

    4- In addition, the fact that several alphas have pumped and dumped them inflates the perception of their marriage worth.

    5- The Hollywood and TV culture (where a prostitute or a maid can land a millionaire) inflates even more this delusion. Women who are 6 think they are 9.

    4- So no average guy is good enough for these princesses. Even if they get married, they think that they could do better.

    5- When they get older, they delude themselves for years (rationalization hamster) before they see the reality. This is because modern culture teach them to follow their feelings instead of controlling them.

    6- When they see the reality, they get desperate, depressed, but then it is too late (Wile E. Coyote moment).

    So, at the end of the day, the causes are:

    – Sexual liberation, which frees women to follow their impulses and follow a pattern of seeking the alpha male, like the African savannah.
    – The pill, which makes possible to follow this behavior for years (without the pill they will get pregnant in months).
    – Modern culture (including feminism and Sex and the City-like movies), which creates insane expectations.

    It is the perfect storm.

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  219. @Firepower: Which is why I lived in an all girl’s dorm, and am currently living in a house full of girls. 🙂

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  220. “Anyway, 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39)
    They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women.
    They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids.

    They all met healthy, nice cool chicks in the same age range and got engaged within 1-3 years.”

    Fools. I am 40, my girlfriend is 27, the sweetest girl I’ve ever met (not only with me, but with children, friends and family). We are very much in love and, after one year of being together and her treating me like a king, I know that we are for the long term.

    These guys have no game: a thirty-plus guy can get girls five or ten years younger easily. These guys have only got thirty-something women who are desperate to have kids and will rush to marriage and then to divorce when they get what they want.

    If they have read CH, they could have done better. It is laughable to explain this example as if it was a success and we should have envy of these guys.

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  221. That was a great post I really enjoyed it and I love the cougars

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  222. For those of the anti-male feminist persuasion who think it is somehow unfair that men will often have 35 years of “having a chance” on the dating market while women will often have only 10 years…the fairness of this lopsided range is that the women, during their shorter attractiveness period, will be able to have a tryst with almost anyone they want and at any time they want, including 3AM.

    Men, on the other hand, will often spend the entire 35 years of their attractiveness (and this only if they are Alpha) trying hard to to get some decent experiences with some variety and quality. They are faced with constant rudeness and rejection…and this when they are Alpha (Alphas are rejected more because they approach a lot more). The Betas are afraid to approach women….but this is because they know the rudeness and rejection are real and probable. Betas squander most of their period of attractiveness hiding in LTRs and marriages.

    For all these guys, it is only fair that they be given loads of time to learn game and get not just “second chances at life” but hundreds of new chances at life, “to get it right”. Beta males often get time, from Mother Nature, after their divorce to “get it right”.

    A 19 year old female 9 will have much less time to “get it right”…but she will not be rudely rejected much so she won’t need 35 years like the men do.

    As a male, I cannot imagine how it must feel to know I could get anyone I wanted in bed just for the asking.

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  223. In short, if I could get anyone I wanted in bed just for the asking, as any 19 year old female 9 or 10 can do, I would only need about 5 years to get a lifetime full of great memories, at least to more than match Casanova’s experiences. Mother Nature was fair, therefore, when she gave men an extra 30 years “overtime” to make up for the fact that they mostly can’t get anyone they want at any age, without game, and just for the asking.

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  224. on August 17, 2010 at 11:29 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Belated thanks for the original post—I’ve run across a potential candidate while out with a friend. She’s in the 18-22 age bracket and, assuming I don’t run out of conversation material as I did the last time out, might actually be a valid test for my circumstance and situations.

    The only problem is that I’m not entirely sure she’s got the mindset to hit hard with the standard routines. Advice is appreciated.

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  225. This might seem a bit off the topic of age, but I will state it anyways. What is the ideal neg for a very attractive girl? What are they most self-conscious about? Two minutes of searching will bring up something like this. The first two reasons that are given are lack of depth and <undeveloped personalities. Whether or not hot girls are shallow is unimportant, the importance is this as a cultural meme, and how it can be exploited. I believe that there is or was a TV show where an attractive model died, and then her soul animated the body of a fat lawyer who was intelligent, and how she gains her humanity through this experience, because she now has a “deep” life. So, the theme is prevalent in our culture. Is this something that attractive girls are particularly self-conscious about compared to other girls, and what would be the best way to take advantage of that?

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  226. @Mark

    I’d like to know the name of that TV show because there are foreign websites where all American shows are available for free if someone liked them enough to upload them.

    I wish more was discussed here about negging. I only officially learned about the concept six months ago from this blog. I should have been taught the concept 30 years ago in my first year of college as a course (damn, the women’s studies courses already existed back then, turning women against men right on campus…and we were given no concepts with which to fight back or even know the abnormal predicament we were being thrown into).

    But I’m a fast learner and have been doing quite well with 9s and 10s in Eastern Europe even before I officially started learning about PUA techniques six months ago here on this blog.

    Contrary to outdated mythology, many East European women no longer throw themselves at American men in their home territory. US feminist propaganda bounced off local males here and broad stripes of society here are infected with a bias against American men as a bunch of losers (an example of a “stripe” would be 9s who work as hairdressers/tellers/cashiers or 9s who study at an elite university in the big city and who feel superior to the rest of their countrymen and any foreign man who would be “loser” enough to come to her country). While some stripes of society still have an excellent opinion of American men (8s, 9s and 10s raised in good families who love their own country and have confidence in themselves), I find I have to do a lot of negging to establish relations with those women who are biased against Americans.

    A nuclear neg that works is this:

    “You do realize that you won’t be so good looking in 5 years and thus have no lasting basis for being picky about men who try to meet you?”

    “You realize that the male friends you make this year and next year are probably the only male friends you will make while you are at your peak attractiveness?”

    In East Europe, the women will take this as a shock, but sadly nod their heads that this is true.

    I find it is the best way to put a rude young woman in her place if she resists being sociable.

    I’ve even recently learned there are local words for women who refuse to be sociable that are more acceptable than “bitch” to say but get the point across really well.

    It is notable that there is no word in English, except the socially unacceptable “bitch,” to describe a young woman being unnecessarily rude to a perfectly good male trying to make her acquaintance.

    In the feminist world, such a nuclear neg as above might immediately end the conversation.

    Has anyone ever tried such a nuclear neg in the feminist-controlled part of the world (USA, Canada, Sweden, England, Germany?)

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  227. Jerry, I think your “nuclear negs” would end the conversation immediately in … any part of the world where women are not paid by the hour.

    I’m going to cut and paste your idea of a neg, just so that I can re-read it:
    You do realize that you won’t be so good looking in 5 years and thus have no lasting basis for being picky about men who try to meet you?
    Nah, that couldn’t have been what it said. Cut and paste must not be working.

    Let’s try again:
    You do realize that you won’t be so good looking in 5 years and thus have no lasting basis for being picky about men who try to meet you?

    Wow, you really are an idiot.

    You really need to post pictures of these supposed nines and dimes, who respond to THAT. No really, you do. We’ll wait.

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  228. “You realize that the male friends you make this year and next year are probably the only male friends you will make while you are at your peak attractiveness?”

    Hahahahahaha! Jerry, you do realize that this is the equivalent of saying: “The friends you make this year and next year will be the only friends you make this year and next year.”

    I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume the girls you’re “negging” don’t speak English, or they’d laugh you out of the bar.

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  229. The long response is in moderation. The short response is that I’ve really struck a major feminist nerve here.

    This neg works perfectly in Eastern Europe. It shuts down any attempts of a young woman to act stuck up and brings her down to reality. However, in feminist countries it could cause ice cold hatred….while its basically just repeating what the main theme of this blog is.

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  230. @Dalerojo is either not male or has never been to Eastern Europe and gets by on 6s and 7s at home in a feminist country where he is scared to repeat to women he meets what the theme of this blog is…that women have only 3 or 4 years of looking good enough for the best men to bother with. I’d definitely use this neg in England or the US if appropriate to a situation. I just want to explore other’s experience with using it and the level of tact they exercised.

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  231. Oh Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.

    dalerojo and I were not trying to hate on your neg. We were totally just making fun of the fact that:

    You realize that the male friends you make this year and next year are probably the only male friends you will make while you are at your peak attractiveness?

    makes you sound like an autistic idiot. That’s right, someone who is both an idiot and autistic. Pretty damn impressive!

    Your “nuclear negs” do not “bring women down to reality,” if anything, they probably confuse the hell out of them. You sound like a robot. A robot programmed by a robot.

    Good job.

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  232. @Esteri

    You are giving a non-answer, plus I wasn’t asking if this neg works or not among non-feminist women. This neg already works well in Eastern Europe when, rarely, the theme of this blog has to be stated. As a European feminist, don’t try to bolster your position because another European fool seemed to agree with you, possibly for entirely different reason.

    What is being discussed here is simply how much of the theme of this blog can be discussed before young feminist-trained women.

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  233. @Esteri

    You are giving a non-answer and as a European feminist, you are only showing that this idea gets under your skin.

    When you were young and good looking, how *exactly* would you have responded?

    Whatever you answer, men may conclude the opposite.

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  234. “Dimes” are only 10s for less than a year of their lives (normally age 17 or 18), they often become 9s within a few months of meeting them. Even then, rapid weight gain can bring them down to an 8 in a very short time period. All women know this. Non-feminists acknowledge this. But western feminism creates an atmosphere where they’d bite your head off if you told them, even in situations where you probably have no choice but to do so.

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  235. Jerry,

    Keep it up — this has nothing to do with me.

    Look, if you clarified the neg a bit — for example if you said: “It’s too bad that you’ll never be as hot, again, as you are right now.”

    Then you might get the reaction you’re looking for. My point is NOT that your “neg” is offensive or that it gets under my skin…my point is that you sound like an autistic idiot. I’m sorry, but do you ever go outside and listen to people speak English? Because “You realize that the male friends you make this year and next year are probably the only male friends you will make while you are at your peak attractiveness?” does not make logical sense.

    I understand that you’re trying to say the girl will never be at peak attractiveness again. But what you just said MEANS: “The friends you make this year are the only friends you will make this year.”

    Also, “You do realize that you won’t be so good looking in 5 years and thus have no lasting basis for being picky about men who try to meet you?”

    “and thus have no lasting basis”?! God, Jerry, people do not talk like this. Nobody says “and thus” in casual conversation. THAT was my point. You sound like an idiot, not because your words are so scathing — because you sound like someone who has never spoken to real people ever.

    It’s like when Doug said, on that other thread, that he called a girl a “cunt container.” What the fuck. This is a good example of someone who is doing a lot of book learning and no real life learning. I disapprove of “cunt container” not because it’s offensive — because it’s freaking weird. “Cunt” is fine. “Slut,” “bitch,” “whore,” “fuck doll,” whatever — all fine. “Cunt container?” Why not just call her a “vagina recepticle”? Not only does it NOT MAKE SENSE, but it’s just laughably unsexy.

    Also, I’m 21.

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  236. @Esteri

    Another 21 year old West European woman on this blog?

    I haven’t used English while dating in 4 years. Those sentences were written very quickly as an example (although your criticism of their logic is not valid). There is nothing wrong with the logic of “these will be the only friends you will have made while being young and attractive” but I’d agree that a simpler sentence would get the point across quite well and simple is the way to go on this.

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  237. Other languages have words for “rude and socially inept young woman” while modern English only allows men to use “bitch”, which makes men look bad for using it.

    This must make things harder for gaming rude women in New York or London because you can’t say “Hey, what’s with being a bitch” to them. 😉

    In other languages, you can say with a smile “Hey, what’s with being a rude, socially inept young woman” and it only calls their bluff without ending the conversation.

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  238. In other languages, you can say with a smile “Hey, what’s with being a rude, socially inept young woman” and it only calls their bluff without ending the conversation.

    You can actually do that in english too, you know. Fascinating! People make light, comical use of words! Take note.

    Actually, those exact words in english would make a hilarious neg, especially if mouthed by a big, dumb-looking guy who doesn’t talk much.

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  239. ”You do realize that you won’t be so good looking in 5 years and thus have no lasting basis for being picky about men who try to meet you?”

    “You realize that the male friends you make this year and next year are probably the only male friends you will make while you are at your peak attractiveness?”

    LOL!!!!!!!!

    Classic stuff.

    Now I can see why game is so neccessary for you guys.

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  240. Wow. I hit the real feminist nerve here.

    CH’s blog actually nuclear negs western women on a macro scale. The question is what is the experience on a micro scale inside feminist countries?

    @Esteri is a West European feminist, over the hill and her opinion is not relevant on this point, except to say that she would not have taken such a neg kindly back in the short period when she may have been sexually attractive (3 or 4 years).

    But, no, it wouldn’t be laughed at. It would likely cause sheer hatred from a feminist trained young woman but not laughter.

    Good try. Thanks for playing.

    @Dalerojo is just being an asshole. She needs to state her demographics by the way. I assume either female or the type of asshole gamer who wants to play by feminist rules.

    In Eastern Europe, this neg works well with 9s and 10s and any western male who has ever been here can believe there are plenty such women who want to date American men. That is not in dispute.

    The question stands: Has anyone actually used this neg with success in *feminist* countries?

    CH’s blog is actually using this neg on a macro scale on western women. How does it work on a micro scale?

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  241. @Virgin

    Besides joining in a minor nit-picking session about semantics (the fact that I quickly re-translated back into English something I said to a lower class hairdresser in another language last night), be more specific about how exactly a rude and socially inept young woman would handle being reminded, in a creative, non-bitter and rhetorically sound way, that her days of being in the catbird seat with men are numbered. The topic of nuclear negs is not new.

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  242. @dalerojo

    If you are somehow male, take note that you’re only really contributing an insecure “my dick is bigger than yours” mentality to a valid topic for discussion: How does one discuss this blog when it really counts…when faced with someone who clearly feels having good looks is an excuse for socially inept, boorish behavior. The assumption is that it is not the male who is socially inept and boorish but the woman. When you take away that assumption to make a needless personal attack based on a faulty sentence construction, you are basically taking a radical feminist stance that it is *not* OK to nuclear neg a woman.

    At least @Esteri made a valid if minor point that the conjunction “thus have no lasting basis” was obviously not something I said directly in English. She was right.

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  243. on August 20, 2010 at 9:25 am gunslingergregi

    You must be doing something right jerry the virgin is in love.

    he he he

    Yea when I work again would like to check out the eastern euro action.

    I heard ukranian woman will put a suckerbite on your dick so other woman you try to fuck know your taken lol

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  244. Great article, and I’ve read it just before my date with a 27th year old career woman 😉

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  245. @ Jerry

    It is called Drop Dead Diva

    Here is the wikipedia

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  246. I date women in their mid to late 40s. But they usually pay.

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