Overgaming

I got this illuminating email from a male reader:

I recently started reading your blog. I am usually fairly successful with women, though I could definitely improve my game. In particular, I lack the boldness and swagger your archetypal alpha possesses. I needed practice.

I met this girl a couple weeks ago and we texted back and forth. Because she lives about an hour away and is a little below my market value, I wasn’t planning on an effortful pursuit – but I did cross my fingers for convenient banging. Last week I invited her to hang out, and – suggestively – proposed she stay the night. Likely because of the beta-manner in which I made the suggestion, she became defensive, saying she doesn’t sleep with people on the first date…etc and so forth – I felt at the time I was too upfront. She said she wouldn’t come down, but that I instead should come up and go dancing with her and her friend. I said maybe, but canceled later. Last night she randomly texted me. I thought, what the hell, I’m going to try and follow the dark lord’s benighted example. I was literally stunned at the results. While I’m sure my banter was sloppy, and even cheesy, the difference in reaction this week compared to last was remarkable. What follows is our (somewhat lengthy, I apologize) text conversation. She was all tingles.

My texts in italics:

So guess who just got in a fight at the club?

A fight?

Haha yeah… She threw the first punch though

I see – did you win?

Of course! Im tough, and she backed down

hmmm, i don’t know if i need a trouble maker coming over

Haha funny, im not a trouble maker… It was self defense…and who said I was coming over…

lol fiesty i see 🙂

Haha i can be feisty 😉

Show me.

Maybe this weekend? you’ll love it

I better

Oh ok Haha. Well i hope im On’t disappointed 😉

Never fear

Is that a promise?

A threat 🙂 if that’s possible lol

Mmm even better 😉 Cause i get feisty when someone threatens me, i like to fight back 😉

Yes, seems like you like to fight 😉 How about we fight, and you can try to stop me

You MAY have your way with me, whatever you want

?? That sounds kinda submissive

Hmm is that a bad thing? 😉

No, but i hope you put up a good fight

Yes, im a fighter 😉

Good, cause if you don’t, it might be rough

The more rough, the better

Happy to oblige. Mmm, but you’re so innocent

Innocent? Im far from it, i can be a very bad girl

Ha ha innocent looking then. . . we’ll see how bad . . .

Oh my, im so turned on right now!

Think you can you stay wet until tomorrow. . . when you come down?

Of course. Im wet right now

. . .and think, we’re just talking. . .

You’ll be surprised. Im a classy women, but i love to have fun 😉

Classy? You just got in a fight at a bar! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

… A club. And that doesn’t happen often. 😦

Only kidding

Well, im sure im not the only one turned on…

There’s someone else??

You’re not…?

Oh, I thought you might be with your friend

Hahaha no! Im laying in bed alone now

Tragedy

True. I was referring to you though

Another tragedy

Haha for you.

Partly

Yes… What are you thinkin?

Its complicated . . . But arousing

Tell me 🙂

You might be too innocent

Doubt it

Putting it to words would destroy your imaginative curiosity

Oh wow, now you have to tell. Im curious

Well, you might have more success in a wrestling match if you brought backup. . .

Oh i know what you’re thinking… You’d like that huh?

Maybe you would too . . .

Possibly 😉 But wouldn’t i be enough?

. . . Normally, but I am insatiable

Perhaps in the future i could bring a friend…

Gotta make sure i’m quality huh?

You will be

I understand, well I should sleep, plan on tomorrow?

Haha yep 😉

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Again, I’m still completely stunned, and convinced – dominant, forward, laconic = gina lube. Doubt I could pull this off in person, texting is easy. I’m also sure there is a lot of beta in there. Any suggestions for improvement?

I’m curious if the girl wound up going to this emailer’s place the next day, or if she flaked at the last minute. While this text exchange has (mostly) the right frame, it smacks of overgaming. And overgaming can quickly activate a woman’s anti-slut defense. There is a lot of back and forth here with a girl you haven’t even had a date with yet. Reading this, my initial impression was “entertainment monkey”. You’re feeding her snappy alpha quips with the calculated smoothness of someone who knows this will stroke the psyche of his mark. And she knows you know. The risk here is getting LJBTed — Let’s Just Be Teases.

Overgaming is usually poison to a pickup when the girl is very high value. Hot chicks experience the pleasures of smooth alpha operators more frequently than do lesser girls. Your clever retorts and masculine lack of punctuation are nothing new to the hot chick. She will enjoy it and place it in her mental pile with the rest of the suave suitors. You need to bring something more to the table, and that something is *escalation*. Escalation is what separates the men from the dilettantes. Establish your frame, parry her shit tests, laconically disabuse her of the notion that you can be boxed in beta-wise, and then cut the flirty courtship short either by exiting prematurely or forcing the seduction forward into more dangerous psychological and kinesthetic territory.

Despite the overgaming by the emailer, I think he is in good shape to close. The key information in this pickup attempt is “[she] is a little below my market value”. Women subconsciously know when a man who is seducing them is better than what they can normally expect to date. If you, as a man, judge that you are higher value than the girl you’re picking up, it is likely that she is aware of the same value discrepancy. What this means is that her hypergamous impulse will be sated by your attentions; she will be quicker to forgive your beta missteps and happier to indulge your excessive alpha badinage. She will, in sum, put out easier. So a good rule of thumb when seducing women at or slightly below your own market value is:

Overgaming > undergaming.

Go ahead and flirt endlessly with the 7. She is grateful for the dry hump love, and will probably succumb to your later game when pressed.

But if she’s too much lower than the median mate value of girls you can get, overgaming will cause her to prick up like a porcupine. Girls want to be played, but they don’t want to be sloppily overplayed like a marionette. She will balk if she thinks you have assured yourself she is an easy mark, and her ego will reassert itself, even at the expense of losing a mating opportunity with a higher value male.

If you’re about to lose a girl because of jet-fueled cocky banter, a good antidote is vulnerability game. Overgaming kills attainability, and male attainability is a necessary (but not sufficient) precondition for female surrender. Sharing a self-effacing story designed to humanize you will establish your attainability, and draw her closer to you.

Conversely, if the girl is hotter than what you normally get, your overgaming will be perceived as cloyingly indulgent. Her poseur alarm will go off. A Texas girl would think you are “all hat, and no cattle”. Sure, the hot chick will enjoy your clever ripostes, but it will still be YOU doing the chasing, feeding her an endless stream of movie moments while getting nothing in return but platonic banter at best and apathetic toleration at worst. And to get a hot chick, you have to arrange the seduction so that it seems to her that SHE is chasing you. For very hot chicks:

Overgaming < undergaming.

If I were this emailer, I would have ended the texting about halfway through when her buying temperature was peaking, with a vague hint at continuing it at some point in the future, preferably in person. I also would have dispensed with any threesome innuendo. It’s too strong for initial flirty banter, particularly as it went on in this example for long enough to ping her perv radar. It’s possible that she will wake up the next morning feeling a little dirty, and not in a good way. Save the threesome talk until a month or two into a sexual relationship.





Comments


  1. Man, so much back-forth bantering. If you said that she’s below your typical value, that surely doesn’t seem so from the amount of time you wasted entertaining her.

    Just get her into your house or move on.

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  2. We are blessed with so many postings these days.

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  3. I think the biggest impact was from his flaking on her.

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  4. I made some of the same observations.

    I also believe he needs a little more arsehole game thrown in there.

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  5. Over-gaming nearly killed off my belief in Game when I started out. Made my social life a bit of a mess over the first summer as I casually bounced from one girl to the next, and they figured out that I was a player in the making.

    Still, better to over-do Game (ie too much asshole Game) than to remain a mewling beta.

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  6. on July 26, 2010 at 2:14 pm greatbooksformen

    lozozolzozllzlzozzozozl

    the best game is “here i my cocka take it or leave it zozlzlzo if you can get it up you deserve it but not all womenz can just sayin’ lzozlzllzozolzlz”

    works every time

    swoosh three pointer!

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  7. GBFM – would be hilarious to see the reaction of some model if you said that to her.

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  8. on July 26, 2010 at 2:23 pm gunslingergregi

    Should have probably drove up there and fucked when she said she was wet. Or went ahead and told her to play with the pussy and had her get off on phone. he he he

    Then been like I want to hear the phone by your pussy with you fingering yourself.
    Then your hearing the squishing sounds

    Then your like ok now stick the phone in your pussy.
    She be like what? but it will break the phone.
    Then your like fuck that stick that shit in.
    Then yea more squishing sounds.

    Then your like ok you ready for me and she is like yesssss
    Then you say I am not like that I need at least another date or so he he he

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  9. … A club. And that doesn’t happen often. 😦

    Only kidding

    ——-

    The above smacks of beta. Never qualify with “only kidding”.

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  10. gunslingergregi

    “Should have probably drove up there and fucked when she said she was wet.”

    A-S-A-P.

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  11. Corollary — if you are in a relationship with a hot girl whom you have been undergaming as the post recommends, you had better be amping up the game level over time, signaling your ascending value. Continuing to undergame after you’ve got her is heading for betaization.

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  12. on July 26, 2010 at 2:41 pm msexceptiontotherule

    you know a guy’s alpha when he can tell a hot chick he has herpes and she still takes home and fucks him.

    lolz.

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  13. on July 26, 2010 at 2:41 pm Vincent Ignatius

    If I were this emailer, I would have ended the texting about halfway through when her buying temperature was peaking…

    Like you’ve said before, less is more. One or two cocky funny lines should be enough. Just stop responding or say you’re busy if she keeps texting. You’re right, constant back and forth signals “entertainment monkey”. If the texting isn’t satisfying YOU, don’t do it.

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  14. This chick gamed herself. First, she got in a fucking fight at a bar. She’s a slut. She probably orgasms from sucking dick.

    I’m not trying to dog the emailer, but he was overly aggressive for any chick that isn’t a raging slut. For this chick, his tactics may have worked, but reading the exchange, it seems that she texts that way for fun. I wouldn’t be surprised if she was carrying on multiple sexts with other guys at the same time during this whole charade. Not to mention that she seems to be an attention whore who probably mass texted the story about her fight to everyone in her phone’s contact list.

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  15. on July 26, 2010 at 2:46 pm greatbooksformen

    lotsa cocka for da ladies

    ladies like lotsa cocka

    if you’d ever fucked one yu’d know did to be true tht they lke it deep long ahrd in and ou in an out lzozlzozlzozlzozl they get all wet for it so like it’s natural lzozlzozlzolzlzlzlz no need to game when you light da flame she’ll open wide for your thundering white spraying tide lzozlozlzozo but be careful to cum on her and not in her othersie beernake ad teh fed will have the license to garnsih your paycheckx for teh rest of your lifewhile you et no right to see your kid as she makes a profit offa you wile banging other corck as that is how the eoncoens have redifiend the family as a fro[ppofit centr profit center 4 bernanke et al. zlzozllzlz

    but forgive bernanke and his goldman sax frineds as all tehy ever do is create debtand they are nder a lot of pressure to convert the debt into physical poprety and thy have to descend so low as to hire priscilalla painton and charlotte allen to publish promote repeat the lies of raging secrteiv tapers of buthexers like tcker max which rhmes iwth goldman sax lzozlzozlzllzlzlzlzzlzozo

    forgive them, for even though ty know what they do, they must tipuch debauchery and excrement in every wakingmomnet to convert fia debt into pyscia property lzozolzozo sthe soulless beasties trying to deosul womenz in secrteive tapings of butthex sessions and make them serve the cenrtal bank instead of god mahusband children family and the poor womenz end up with no kids but just cast ad sore anuthes lzozlzozlzl

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  16. This was the exit moment :

    She: Of course. Im wet right now
    You: awesome, have to catch some sleep, nite

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  17. on July 26, 2010 at 2:48 pm Badger Nation

    So if a chick is Bernankified, is she likely to overrate her own value and thus you should adjust your game to her
    and be crafty with the negs to pump the air out of her cervixballoon?

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  18. on July 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm Badger Nation

    “Like you’ve said before, less is more. One or two cocky funny lines should be enough. Just stop responding or say you’re busy if she keeps texting.”

    Continuing to respond signals lack of social proof, i.e. you are hooked to your phone instead of chatting with hot babes all day like Kip Dynamite. Also signals that she has hand, she can force your response.

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  19. Whoever he is, he’s very witty, but I think it went on for too long, he gave her the full dish of banter instead of just a taster.

    Ceasing a conversation just when it starting to get interesting is incredibly alluring. So many people just don’t realise the importance of strategic unexplained withdrawal, this is an incredibly valuable skill for women in particular, used so effectively in the past & now forgotten about.

    It may be a little bit mean, but you should always keep something back. Hungry people appreciate dinner much more.

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  20. on July 26, 2010 at 2:52 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’msexceptiontotherule
    you know a guy’s alpha when he can tell a hot chick he has herpes and she still takes home and fucks him.

    lolz.
    ”””””
    I’m so alpha herpes fears me.

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  21. In my experience over-gaming followed by caveman game when the anti-slut barrier goes up leads to extreme wet seasons.

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  22. on July 26, 2010 at 3:00 pm greatbooksformen

    “Badger Nation

    So if a chick is Bernankified, is she likely to overrate her own value and thus you should adjust your game to her
    and be crafty with the negs to pump the air out of her cervixballoon?”

    lozzlozlzlz

    yah chicks, like the currency, are inlfated these days.

    5’s think they are 10’s bacsue the bernanke desouling programs urged them to fuck and suck 5 secreteiv tapers of butthex outside of mariage and so they think the are 10s because women reason that becasue they got pumped and dumped by 5 secretive tapers of butthex they are 10’s lzozlzozl andthuse are entitled to a ring and all your bling lzozlzlzlzllzlzllz

    a bernankifed chick = a butthexed chick as teh goldman sax rhymes with tucker max overlords mustfund promote pubish secrteiev tapers ofbutthex without the gilrths contehnt.

    without a fiat currency, th goldmansaxers owuld not be able to desoul so many womenz by funding so many womenze studies courses which tach women how to asscok men in dirvocre court and trnasfer man’s welath to bernanke lzozlzozlz while also teaching men whow how to assock and deosul womenz and tape it in secretect withot teh girlths conthent lzozlzlzozlzl.

    who do you thinkprnted the hundreds of thousands of dlalrs that simon and schuster soom and schuster wired to tucker max hymes iwth goldman sax upon his succteht in taping butthex secrteiveityly without teling he girl? who prints the money that funds jonah goldberg’s foreign ward and pays chalrotte allen to repeta the lies of tcuker max butthexer secretiev taper of butthex without the girlths coontehnt the lies about his hegihgtgth about his heiaght?

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  23. Also, question on the readership:

    is an LTR with a woman with higher earning potential than you sustainable?

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  24. No.

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  25. on July 26, 2010 at 3:08 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Waaayyy too much texting there. Just do a handful and then ignore her response after few.

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  26. Yes dear GBFM.
    If it makes you happy.

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  27. A LTR with a woman who has more status than you is not sustainable. Unless she’s very conscious of her motivations and her desires. That I’ve never seen.

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  28. This girl was drunk. Her inhibitions were down. It’s a good sign that she was initiating some of the sex talk, but I’d still bet that she woke up the next morning and balked.

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  29. on July 26, 2010 at 3:23 pm Badger Nation

    “This girl was drunk. Her inhibitions were down. It’s a good sign that she was initiating some of the sex talk, but I’d still bet that she woke up the next morning and balked.”

    All the more reason to be laconic, don’t give her too much to remember and regret.

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  30. on July 26, 2010 at 3:29 pm greatbooksformen

    omg lzozlzozlzlzlzlzl

    “bictopia

    Yes dear GBFM.
    If it makes you happy.”

    thank you bictopia i am flattered i am alwas glad 4 womenz who arenice to me and my cockas and i never take u for granted lzozllzzlzlozlzozoz though my cocka sometime tries to but then that is ok bcause yu can puish next time you see it punish it hard and fast hard an fast until it goes spollolsoslsogegegegeg and then getssft and falls asleep and lets me fall alaeepep too lzozozo dats what my cocka is like a nice guy who don’t butthex da ladies whichis why prisicallla painton and charlotte allen favor the anus-seeking tucker max cocka which rhyms iwth goldman ax and fund anfd finance it with bernake dolalrs to desoul womenz laozlozlzozlzlzolzozlzlzozo

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  31. @Paul
    If you’re talking purely in income terms, IMHO, yes. But the guy has to be manly enough.

    I know a few older couples like this (all married 15+ years), say she earns a lot of money from a corporate job and he is say a photographer, works in government or is say a skilled craftsman i.e. he has status but his work doesn’t pay well compared to say investment banking. I think she has to consider the man a ‘good catch’ for it to work, e.g. he’s good looking, he’s cool or whatever.

    Thinking about it broader, the UK’s current PM, David Cameron earns a lot less than his wife, so did Tony Blair and his wife. And the deputy Prime Minister also earns a lot less than his wife (he probably earns 140k now he is deputy PM, she earns over 500k). Sure, both the PM and deputy PM are high status jobs now but they have both been married for quite some time and the greater odds were that they could have just been MPs for ever, particularly the deputy PM.

    I don’t think the working woman/stay at home husband thing works though. Or a situation where the woman has the lead role and the man starts slacking off, e.g. gives up his job to go freelance or write a novel and then 2 years later still hasn’t achieved anything.

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  32. And fyi, never eat Tramadol and comment at the same time, not good, it will bite you in the hex.

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  33. laozlozlzozlzlzolzozlzlzozo

    You made a little typo there. Just pointing out in case you didn’t notice.

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  34. on July 26, 2010 at 3:52 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlzozlzlz

    that would be awesome to debate and duscuss monetary policy with a chickwhiel banging her lzozlozoozzooozozozo

    if you were a butthexer, which i am not, you cold tach her the difference beteween austrian and bernanke keynsian eocnomics lzozlzozl

    you could slide iti her gina and say this is austrian

    then take it out

    slide it in her anthuth and say thi is keynsian economics lzozlzo while pointingout your friend who is secretly taping it

    then take it out and slide it in her gina as your freind stops taping it and yo go “and this is autsrain eocnomics”

    and then your frind starts taping it again in secret and you slide it in her anuth and you go and this is keynsian eocnomics which is how we deosul you lzozlzolzlz” iding it in and out in and out as your freind tapes itand prsicilla paininton wires you hundreds of thousnads of bernanke dollars and cralo9tee allen writes a story for teh weekly standadth repeating your lies about your height lzozllzoz

    i think that more poepl could be made to unsdertstand he difference between autrisan and bernanke keynsian ecnomics with such films lzozlzlz

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  35. on July 26, 2010 at 3:54 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^ note how i ignored bictopia in the above post

    this will mke the sexbetter and make it worth my while and hers too lzozlzlzllz

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  36. on July 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Paul
    Also, question on the readership:

    is an LTR with a woman with higher earning potential than you sustainable?
    ”””
    Almost every woman you date is gonna have more earning potential than you.

    Can you make 200 in 15 minutes off your dick?

    Yea probably not.

    So yea potential vs real.

    Does she make more than you or does it look like she will make more than you?

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  37. on July 26, 2010 at 4:05 pm PhillyBoy81

    “You MAY have your way with me, whatever you want

    ?? That sounds kinda submissive”

    I would have cut it off after that statement with something like “I will” or “I know” or something to the point. If a girl’s telling me that I MAY have my way with her, I’ve already got the edge, so there’s not much else to do other than get her over to my place and do the deed.

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  38. So the poster sent 31 texts to a girl in one conversation? I can only imagine two scenarios from this:

    1. The girl loves to tease, or

    2. This is a conversation between two 200+ pound beasts.

    There’s no other way a girl could even feign interest by that point.

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  39. on July 26, 2010 at 4:06 pm PhillyBoy81

    I would not have responded with “that sounds submissive”…don’t really see the need in pointing out the obvious.

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  40. right, the double ?? and submissive moment was off too

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  41. “Conversely, if the girl is hotter than what you normally get, your overgaming will be perceived as cloyingly indulgent. Her poseur alarm will go off. A Texas girl would think you are “all hat, and no cattle”. Sure, the hot chick will enjoy your clever ripostes, but it will still be YOU doing the chasing, feeding her an endless stream of movie moments while getting nothing in return but platonic banter at best and apathetic toleration at worst. And to get a hot chick, you have to arrange the seduction so that it seems to her that SHE is chasing you.”

    This is some of the finest analysis and most potent distilled knowledge for guys struggling to cross the line of beta-alpha demarcation.

    The emailer’s text exchange was unreadable (and, by rights, unnecessary) after he answered her invitation to have his way with her by saying:

    “?? That sounds kinda submissive”

    He’s way oversold on the pick up, no doubt due to being blow away at how genuinely effective well-utilized game is.

    So much so that he inadvertently pulled himself into the rapport — getting lost in the sexting fantasy foreplay — and didn’t stay on target. He got off to his own pickup and in the process, possibly gave a middling chick a reason to opt out of actually seeing him. A true dabbler mistake.

    When she said:

    “you MAY have your way with me, whatever you want”

    he should have closed the deal with:

    “Good. you’ll find out what I want tomorrow.”

    Instead he meanders through a half hour’s worth of texts (itself inherently beta), indulging her slut-without-the-sex joy ride, finally ending with:

    “plan on tomorrow?”

    Never use the word “plan” with a woman. Women don’t plan to get seduced nor do they ever plan to follow through. They’re COMPELLED to these ends, not cajoled, pleaded to, or respectfully requested.

    This guy gave her a massive out by offering up a “plans just fell through” flake-out eject button for her to punch as soon as her anti-slut defense kicks in once she’s a whole day removed from the sex banter.

    One of the biggest lessons of game learned: throttle control.

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  42. The mistake men make is to game with text, going overboard.

    Text messages should be kept short, exchanges to the point.

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  43. on July 26, 2010 at 4:19 pm greatbooksformen

    i hate texts

    i f you text me i just send back “lotsa cocka”

    they sned back “lol!”

    i sed back “lotsa cocka”

    a month later they text me he we should hang”

    text back “lotsa cocka”

    a few das later they call me

    then we go and pound it out lozzlozlozlzoz

    to text is to be defeated.

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  44. H is right, again.

    Generally, err on the side of more game than necessary.

    For really hot chicks (say, an 9 airline stewardess), undergame – slightly. A little self-effacement and vulnerability goes a long way.

    They get hard-core alpha types all the time; well, they actually get all kinds of guys, all the time. But they have better senses for the process, as a result.

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  45. on July 26, 2010 at 2:22 pm greenlander

    Another great post.

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  46. @GBFM

    Off topic, but have you ever posted a list of your great books for men?

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  47. I think I am over-gaming girls who don’t need to be.

    I am getting much better results when I use vulnerability game. It puts girls in a comfort zone with me. For the first few months, I felt like girls were fucking terrified of me. I have been told before from my wings that girls said I act like I am too good for them. Don’t get me wrong, Aloof and Indifferent game is natural to my personality (cause I really am better than everyone else) but in a college atmosphere, I would rather be approachable.

    Shit, it’s hard to balance a fun party vibe in college while also trying to maintain Aloof and Indifferent. The Alphas in college are all super friendly, fun, HEAVY DRINKERS, and generally don’t come across like assholes at all. Is this just a difference between college and post college game?

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  48. Gorbachev –

    Totally agree. Texting is a like a bed of hot coals, to be dashed through quickly, no lingering.

    Women love protracted texting because it fulfills their need for a man’s attention without any of the risk that they’ll be so enthralled that they’ll do something out of (perceived) character — like making out or going home with him.

    Dumbasses get ensnared in long-winded textplay because they don’t understand that to women, texting a guy they haven’t yet slept with doesn’t count.

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  49. @Patrick
    Dumbasses get ensnared in long-winded textplay because they don’t understand that to women, texting a guy they haven’t yet slept with doesn’t count.

    Texting gives the woman what she wants without the risk. My Rule: Never get involved in it until you’ve slept with her.

    You can break this carefully, but that’s still dangerous.

    Always at least make out first.

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  50. I love texting, it’s like foreplay. I actively dislike overtly short texts.

    But that was a truly excessive volume of texts.

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  51. on July 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm Rollo Tomassi

    One thing to always bear in mind when gaming a girl on a lower sexual market value than your self is that they tend to learn the same ‘counter-game’ or ripostes from their hotter friend’s examples. In fact they crave that same actual stimulation they can only experience vicariously through their hotter friends. It’s part of increasing that buying temperature they’ve seen happen in their more attractive girlfriends before they hook up so the think it’s part of the process for them also to do the same.

    Therefore you tend to initially see a pre-sex 7 spit back a semi-confident bitch shield, ASD or even a sexual filibuster as if she were an 8.5. You both know she doesn’t merit the very unpracticed response, but it’s part of her actualized fantasy to think she’s being legitimately pursued by the same calibre male her hot GFs can pull. She’s going to bang you, but she must balance the risk of you losing interest with the desire to prolong the magic of sexual tension for herself.

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  52. on July 26, 2010 at 4:44 pm greatbooksformen

    “@GBFM

    Off topic, but have you ever posted a list of your great books for men?”

    lozlzozlzl

    what are u fuckingnuts?

    the federal reserve just spent billions fundng fmeinist programs to desconstruct debauch the great boks and publish and promomote secrteiev tapers of butthex without the girlths conthent. lozlzoz

    now whuddaya think they would do 2 me i i posted a list fo great books?

    just go to a college campuse and see all teh things fed funded fmeinists hate and that is whta you shoul read lzozlzl

    but know that beranke and his friends will send tucker max rhymes wth goldman sax after your antuth lzolzlzlzzozozo

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  53. on July 26, 2010 at 4:45 pm greatbooksformen

    “Lily

    I love texting, it’s like foreplay. I actively dislike overtly short texts.

    But that was a truly excessive volume of texts.”

    lotsa cocka 4 d a lily!!!

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  54. on July 26, 2010 at 4:48 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Texting for women is like a guy getting a handjob.

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  55. sdaedalus

    Whoever he is, he’s very witty, but I think it went on for too long, he gave her the full dish of banter instead of just a taster.

    Ceasing a conversation just when it starting to get interesting is incredibly alluring. So many people just don’t realise the importance of strategic unexplained withdrawal

    Yuuuup.

    (smart insightful girls chub me out)

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  56. The guy must be gay. I never txt more than 5 replies in one night, especially if the chick isn’t going to come over or bring some friends. Stop wasting your time and go for chicks in proximity. Alright banter tho, short and simple just boring and lost me after the first few replies.

    C+

    If you want A+ go watch “Hannibal.”

    – Kino, dhv, rapport, AMOG, and eye contact all in less than 2 minutes. She was ready.

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  57. Paul–

    Lily’s answer to you is dead on the money.

    It tends to make it more difficult for the attraction to remain (on both sides btw) after a few years when the woman makes more, but when the man has high status that holds up and also which is integral to his work, then yes it can work. It’s less of an issue if she has inherited money and he’s doing something with status. That’s a classic pattern.

    He has to have some basis for his having hand over her, other than just his personality and nice bod, for it to very often work longer term.

    On the other hand she might very well want to cheat with someone with the alpha personality and bod, but not much else.

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  58. GBFM,

    Given your penchant for grammar, do you ever worry that “lotsa cocka” could be misinterpreted by one of those feminists with coprophilic peversion?

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  59. on July 26, 2010 at 5:33 pm greatbooksformen

    did you ever see sean connery or clint eastwood text a chcik?

    who gots more pussy–them or an mba in a striped shirt texting chix?

    lozlzozlzozoozzllzlozozzooz

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  60. When she said Im hot/wet…..he should have replied:

    “I just got in my car; heading to your town/city. Battery dying, will recharge at gas station/starbucks when i get their and txt/call”

    This is the launch & catch often used b-4 cells/vmail/email.

    Once a man got into car, cab, plane and was headed over nothing was going to stop him…most women melt at this pursuit esp. fat dark, in rain or cold, etc.

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  61. meant aft dark; though fat & dark melt fo sho

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  62. Silver Fox:

    “…. when i get their..”

    THEIR?

    Seriously…. THEIR??

    God.

    You’ve got to be kidding. Your pathetic grammar would turn off any self-respecting woman in a flash.

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  63. For once, I’m with Silver Fox.

    The chick coming up with “You MAY have your way with me, whatever you want” was a close. She lives an hour away, the guy should have been over there in 45 minutes with more booze.

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  64. on July 26, 2010 at 6:15 pm Miley_Cyrax

    “Don’t get me wrong, Aloof and Indifferent game is natural to my personality (cause I really am better than everyone else)”

    Yeah same here brah, ’cause bros are the best people ever. Just lay down some vulnerability game for these slampieces and they’ll lie down for a one-way ticket to PoundTown.

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  65. on July 26, 2010 at 6:16 pm greatbooksformen

    did you ever see sean connery or clint eastwood butthex a chcik?

    who gots more pussy–them or a tucker max in a striped shirt texting chix?

    lozlzozlzozoozzllzlozozzooz

    don’t beleive everythhing priscilla painton and charlotte allen try 2 sell you.

    they might be could be working for teh fed like jonah goldberg lzozlzlzllzlzlz

    hey did you know cbs runs owns wimson and shcuster sodom and schhuster?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/sumner_redstone_offers_bribe_leaker_elf8MbdmmeQQ5CK4pK9alN

    “Media mogul Sumner Redstone, upset over leaks at his MTV unit, has offered a bribe to a reporter for the name of the leaker, according to a shocking voice mail the executive left on the reporter’s phone.

    The 87-year old head of MTV parent, Viacom, and CBS, told the reporter he would be “well rewarded” if he turned over the name of the person who leaked information about an MTV reality show in the making surrounding an all-girl rock band, The Electric Barbarellas.

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/sumner_redstone_offers_bribe_leaker_elf8MbdmmeQQ5CK4pK9alN#ixzz0upTnaCnD

    this is prsicilla painton’s boss lzozlzlzzo no wonder she is publoishing sertive tapers of butthex who tape it without the gilrths contehnt zlozlzlzozzozzo

    summer redstone changed his name to sumner redstone from sumber rothsetin for soem strange reason.

    butthexx!!!!!1

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  66. Flavors of game:

    More social proof, negging, asshole, brief attention then aloofness, fun attention then quick withdrawl, game when she initially thinks she’s hotter than you, is very popular, stuck up, and/or inundated by attention from guys at the time.

    More DHV story telling, friendliness, the odd compliment then withdrawl from her, but quick quick strong attention again when she chases, if she’s shy, a little insecure, and not inundated with attention at the time .

    Yeah this correlates with the girl’s hotness but it’s not 1/1. It correlates more w/her own perceived popularity with men as a hot chick. And the situation. Day game tends to call for more comfort building, things in common, type game.

    Always there should be at least some of each pole of game though, for best effect.

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  67. texting is tiresome

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  68. on July 26, 2010 at 6:45 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’Silver Fox
    meant aft dark; though fat & dark melt fo sho”””””
    lol silver goin off end tell us about the other shit dude, All your friends were getting married and shit..
    Whats up man.
    Talk about it.

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  69. Those warning the chateau’s young squires to abstain from texting are senescent morons.

    Anyone good at text game can convert a k-close to a sexually primed date at least 90% of the time.

    Unfortunately most PUAs are not skillful enough writers to escalate via text message. The subject of this post demonstrates strong potential, but needs to cut his material by two thirds.

    Many of you appear unfamiliar with just how many electronic messages young people send and receive these days. Girls under 25 are no longer comfortable talking on the phone with people they meet socially. Get with the times.

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  70. Joose is right. Any man claiming to not use text has exposed himself as a liar for claiming to regularly sleep with younger women.

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  71. @me me meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
    ROFL.

    Though well done to your BFF for realising she’s only a 7 and exactly where she is on the Dating Market Value heirachy and therefore exactly how she must act. She is very clever.

    I’m assuming the guys must be 10 in looks in which case it is then obvious. Though of course if he’s just a 4 in looks and game makes him a 8 or a 9, it must be awfully confusing at first for your BFF to know exactly how to act.

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  72. on July 26, 2010 at 7:29 pm greatbooksformen


    lolzolozzlozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozlzozzlozlz

    whaty they need to do is have more folks butthex girls in sceretive taping s of butthex so that simon and shcuster sodom and schuster can get more publicisty lzozlozzozo for tehir tuckr max brand and sell more books and save da eocnomy lzoizlzozolzozo lzozlzozozolzozozlzo

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  73. Thank god for this post. I’ve been stuck in this rut for a solid year now. CONTINUALLY CHASING THE WOMEN, because they are fucking teases and won’t meet in person, or flake, after I continually provide alpha banter and make them feel good. Enough is enough, I want this shit to end and get them chasing ME for once.

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  74. on July 26, 2010 at 6:23 pm Miley_Cyrax

    @Raliv

    “Shit, it’s hard to balance a fun party vibe in college while also trying to maintain Aloof and Indifferent. The Alphas in college are all super friendly, fun, HEAVY DRINKERS, and generally don’t come across like assholes at all. Is this just a difference between college and post college game?”

    On a more serious note, you describe the naturals in my fraternity perfectly. Even with my game and single-night-lay logistics-handling, I’m barely closing the gap on them. They’re beating me on quality with 7-8s while I tend to rack up the quantity on 6-7s and sometimes 8s. However, quantity has a quality of its own, as someone said.

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  75. on July 26, 2010 at 6:31 pm me me meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

    Go ahead and flirt endlessly with the 7. She is grateful for the dry hump love, and will probably succumb to your later game when pressed.

    My BFF is *only* a 7 and she totally resents that!!!! She said dry hump love is a very good form of birth control.

    My BFF, the 7, loves loves loves LJBTeases. She says those boys are so much fun fun fun. She said he just likes to squeeze the fun out of everything!

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  76. CW–

    It’s his challenges and negs at the beginning that turned her to chasing.

    Challenge:

    I see – did you win?

    Of course! Im tough, and she backed down

    Neg:

    hmmm, i don’t know if i need a trouble maker coming over

    Haha funny, im not a trouble maker… It was self defense…and who said I was coming over…

    Another neg or semi neg (somewhat ambiguous):

    lol fiesty i see 🙂

    Haha i can be feisty 😉

    Challenge:

    Show me.

    Maybe this weekend? you’ll love it

    Another challenge/neg:

    I better

    Oh ok Haha. Well i hope im On’t disappointed 😉

    ***********

    So there you are. She’s hooked. Chasing and qualifying herself. She asks him for a date, that previously she was making him chase HER for. He takes it up a bit more after this and she admits she’s turned on and then that she’s wet. That’s when he should have left her wanting more, cause he “had to do” something else.

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  77. Agreed 100% with Joose – if you’re decently clever a number-close can lead easily to intercourse with some witty banter and a solidly executed followup date. Or maybe all the 22 year-olds in my town are just easy.

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  78. “@GBFM

    Off topic, but have you ever posted a list of your great books for men?”

    GBFM refers to these alot

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Books_of_the_Western_World

    If you dont wat to spend your Fairy money Fiat Currancy I am sure you can download these.

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  79. Basically he is telling all of you guys to follow the western liberal arts tradition of broad cross-disciplinary learning and expose yourself to the important products of Western civilization and thought.

    The great books curicullum has come under alot of criticism from feminist and multicultural tearists and is at odds both with much of the existing educational establishment and with contemporary educational theory. Essentially If you went to a western school / university John Dewey* has had buttex with your brain for the last 60 years.

    *Agent of the Rothchilds / Federal reserve cabal.

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  80. Here is possibly the best place to start

    http://www.archive.org/details/ClosingOfTheAmericanMind

    Some quotes

    “There is nothing wild, Dionysian, searching, in our promiscuity. It has a dull, sterilized, scientific character.”

    “As it now stands, students have powerful images of what a perfect body is and pursue it incessantly. But deprived of literary guidance, they no longer have any image of a perfect soul, and hence do not long to have one. They do not even imagine that there is such a thing.”

    “Law may prescribe that the male nipples be made equal to the female ones, but they still will not give milk.”

    And my favourite

    “The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.”

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  81. on July 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm greatbooksformen

    lozozozlzozlzolz

    yah because the great books all exalt

    truth
    bheuaty
    the soul
    sthe spirit
    honor
    virtue
    love
    natural rights
    god
    man
    family
    morality
    (all male inventions)

    in all of the above books secrteiuv tapings wof butthex without the girlths conthent is not ocnsidered heroic but rather that is a priscillia painton charlotee allen innovations lsososoos because the banksters read that eve was repsonsible for the fall and that a betaity contehst caused teh trojan war and that women modern women are prone to kill hiill kill the unborn sot he noeocns put womenz in charge to kill 50,000,000 unborn alongside teh cultrue teh family and the currency lzozlozo .. good jkob ladies!!!!! lozozlozozoolzlzlo

    the sodomites banksters butthexed the great books off the cmaputh lzozloozzlzozlozozozoz and put priscilla painton and charlotte alle in chagre of teh cultrue losososlxoxoopoooozooz

    and so they rie hundreds of thousnds of bernake dolalrs to secreitece tapers of sodomy and repeat his lies about his heiaght in teh pages of wthe weeklys tandardth while ignoring soldiers belleding 2 death in tehir neocons wars on foreign shores as truly they are at war with teh world and must exalt death abortion and butthex as that is wht pays them and allows them to conevrt fiat dollars into phsycial welath and property zlzozozzllzl

    so taht there wo0uld be no men left

    but for ben bernake
    tucker max (secretive taper of butthex without teh gilrtsh contehnt)
    and jonah goldberg the cherubic faced jonah gol;dberg

    those are you man of the year and new york times bestlseeling authr0os and favorite bneocon son in side the beltway zlozzolzoozloozzozo all funded by benrankedolalrs lzozlzozozlzllzoz

    that is what happens when eocns run the world alongside the destruction of cultyure and cthe currency zlozozlzozoozo and teh destructuiin of the fmaily and womanhood and manhood nd the seualiztion of little girltsh lzolzo s that is how they eowowlrlrkrkkrkl zlzollozozozoozoozoo

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  82. Pupu says, “texting is tiresome”

    Amen.

    Yet another reason to date older.

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  83. Raliv, if I may, aloofness is just one tool in the box. It doesn’t help you to be aloof if you are not socially dominant.

    The college alphas dominate their sphere by being engaging and pull out aloofness when a girl starts gunning for his undivided or less divided attention.

    So don’t try to skip steps. Nobody can tell the difference between aloof and shy or ‘spergy in a guy nobody notices anyway.

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  84. on July 26, 2010 at 10:16 pm greatbooksformen

    the problem with harold bloom and allan bloom is tht they let it die and then took great opride and honor in penning the uelogy lzozooloozzozo lie the noeocn handing out medals to all the dead soldiers who they let bleed 2 death on foregn wars in foreign shores lzozlzzol and then flew unto an aircraft carrier and said mission accomplished and yet today the soldiers are still belleding dying dying bleeding because that is how they convert fiat debt based dollars into physcial welath proerperty and pwoer lzozzllozzllzl

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  85. Your reference to Allan Bloom’s The Closing of the American Mind was not lost on me, GBFM.

    Who the hell are you, anyway?

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  86. Great point about pricking the ego of a chick who is below the median. I made that mistake the other day – was having casual sex with her for 3 months but in the end, the fishing line broke.

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  87. I am not GBFM, or TM just a surfer from Australia…..

    A place were the Great Books were never tought, sold or discussed.

    Afterall a nation of critical thinkers who valued honor, virtue , morality and natural rights would never accept Fiat Currency, Fractional Reserve Banking, and Income Taxes.

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  88. on July 26, 2010 at 11:22 pm unlearning genius ...

    Tease alert …or perhaps she is just gaming him for more commitment .. either way .. this is surely a bird in hand ..

    I love it when two pathetic creatures can eventually mate .. after all perception i reality in these cases ..

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  89. on July 26, 2010 at 11:23 pm unlearning genius ...

    In other news anoukange is still a below average slut …

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  90. “There is nothing wild, Dionysian, searching, in our promiscuity. It has a dull, sterilized, scientific character.”

    Considering Bloom was a homo with a particular taste for fucking young black men from the ghetto, I wonder what he means by the word “our”.

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  91. Social proof is huge.

    Always work with social proof.

    Work is also good social proof: credentials in an interesting job are great. I’ve deliberately kept a job before when I had options because of the huge social proof and occasional DHV it provides.

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  92. Undergaming > Overgaming > No game

    Overgaming (as few have suggested) has also cost me a few girls in the past. It’s really a hard thing to calibrate that’s contingent on the girl you’re running game on; not just her sexual market value relative to yours, but the amount of experience she has in dealing with game.

    Believe it or not, there exists out there 7.5s and 8s who aren’t too often gamed, I’m not sure why. These are girls that are usually young, from small towns and classic late-bloomers.

    Always game, always have an equilibrium, strike a balance…but its better to undergame than to overgame.

    Overgaming sets a bad precedent. Even if you get the girl through overgaming, you think you can keep up your manic energy long enough to bang her and (maybe eventually) date her? I’ve tried it and that shit will wear you out.

    At least by undergaming you get them chasing you, and if they don’t want to chase you then fuck ’em…which is the attitude you should have anyways.

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  93. i am unclear on the concept of overgaming vs bad gaming. i thought the idea was the reverse of how it is presented here, that the higher relative status girls should be gamed more aggressively. is the long txt exhange overgame or rather insufficient game? semantics maybe but that isnt how i see it.

    i would think overgaming would mean too alpha, but here alpha decays into beta. i would label it undergaming.

    im still a newbie here and keep getting lost in the shifting landscapes.

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  94. Best advice:

    “”She will balk if she thinks you have assured yourself she is an easy mark, and her ego will reassert itself, even at the expense of losing a mating opportunity with a higher value male.””

    This was a live and learn moment for me a few weeks back when a Korean girl 7 started major IOI’s. I over-gamed and this activated her ASD.

    Since then she and I haven’t been in touch or keep missing each other–not a bad thing.

    I’ve also managed to salvage through under-gaming another lead who I went for the K-close too early with and who turned her head.

    When I met up with her the other night, I sent one word text for meet up, was 10 minutes late leaving her frantically texting me “Where are you?” No real explanation for my lateness, but a funny story about the event I was at previously.

    Limited negs…but well-placed teasing. All the other stuff Doug mentions above.

    I think a common mistake is that when you discover these tools and you see their impact…the idea is to over-use them. Or use them even after the interest and attraction has waned in a vain attempt to recover.

    The biggest thing to have in the back of your mind is not to be outcome dependent.

    That will help calibrate any “over-gaming”.

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  95. ?? That sounds kinda submissive”

    I would have cut it off after that statement with something like “I will” or “I know” or something to the point. If a girl’s telling me that I MAY have my way with her, I’ve already got the edge, so there’s not much else to do other than get her over to my place and do the deed.

    Yes, there is the risk of sating her desire, if you give her verbal sex satisfaction. Text and chat is for arranging meetings, not having a relationship through that medium. Get her to want your person, not be sated by your etherial being.

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  96. Im sure by now most of you have heard about the British girl who says she slept with 1000 guys in her 20’s. Well now some guy (an American no less) has made a page asking the sweet young thing to marry him: http://marrymechristinasaunders.wordpress.com/

    Beta of the year?

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  97. Without a doubt, the greatest weapon in your arsenal at a major college university is social proof. Like Tucker Max says in his book: if the girl knows someone you know, it means you are safe and she wants to fuck you.

    I should have joined a frat. The more people you know, the more girls you will lay. I am learning to make do without all the social connections, which means being super outgoing and friendly while incorporating CH principles. I know college will end and so I am trying to build a strong foundation.

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  98. NO..

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  99. on July 27, 2010 at 2:12 am Cannon's Canon

    looks like dude is from DC no less

    good news for anouk and her own exorbitant partner count

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  100. on July 27, 2010 at 2:16 am Badger Nation

    “Therefore you tend to initially see a pre-sex 7 spit back a semi-confident bitch shield, ASD or even a sexual filibuster as if she were an 8.5. You both know she doesn’t merit the very unpracticed response, but it’s part of her actualized fantasy to think she’s being legitimately pursued by the same calibre male her hot GFs can pull. She’s going to bang you, but she must balance the risk of you losing interest with the desire to prolong the magic of sexual tension for herself.”

    In other words, just like I said in an earlier thread bernakified chicks have inflated their value and act like their numbers are ++’d. Tight game will shut down that shit test and get her acting her rank in the end.

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  101. on July 27, 2010 at 2:30 am greatbooksformen

    lozozozlzozozlozlzl

    hey all u younger guys here how it worked

    80’s ask a girl on a date get some after movie
    90’s ask a girl on a date get sum after she pays 4 movie
    2000’s fuck da movie meet girl out & get some
    2010 your biggest concern is ignoring the plethora of pussy pursuicing cocka and getting some owkr done lololsoslsl

    in 2000 a pube hurricaine blew all teh pubes away but they are ocming back in 2010

    qanyone else seen more bush latyely?

    lzozlzl

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  102. We need a new classification for this prawn who wants to marry christina saunders.

    He’s beyond the equivalent of the would-be brides of death row killers.

    A species I wouldn’t have even guessed existed.

    I’d like to put him out of his misery.

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  103. Joose,

    Those warning the chateau’s young squires to abstain from texting are senescent morons.

    Anyone good at text game can convert a k-close to a sexually primed date at least 90% of the time.

    Unfortunately most PUAs are not skillful enough writers to escalate via text message. The subject of this post demonstrates strong potential, but needs to cut his material by two thirds.


    You have hit on what is by far the most important point, overwhelming all the other details about how and when to use various types of game:

    Be a good writer.

    If you can put words together effectively in a variety of settings ranging from the most informal to the most formal, you will win big whether you are texting, emailing, blogging, commenting on blogs, writing letters, publishing stories or essays, etc., etc. In any setting involving writing rather than face-to-face speech, your effectiveness will be much more correlated with your being a good writer than with anything else. This is no less true if you are gaming girls than for anything else you are trying to accomplish via writing. There are specific ways to use game when texting, but a good writer will break the rules when appropriate.

    Gorb,

    Social proof is huge.

    Always work with social proof.

    Work is also good social proof: credentials in an interesting job are great.

    Absolutely. If any interesting part of your job can be done remotely, take your laptop to a cafe and work from there; once you have been doing this for a little while you will get into conversations where you can talk about something interesting you literally ARE DOING rather than HAVE DONE. This strengthens the “proof” part of social proof tremendously; if women are seeing you “in action” all the anti-PUA shields are bypassed because it doesn’t occur to them that you could simultaneously be doing two entirely different activities (working at your job AND picking up women).

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  104. on July 27, 2010 at 1:01 am College Grad

    Raliv,

    I feel you man, I just graduated from a major university and was in a fraternity, so meeting girls and having social proof was something that just came naturally. Not to mention my school was very conservative and not the like the real world dating scene. I wish he would make a post targeted toward us younger guys. I get the feeling girls in our generation have key some differences from girls that are older.

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  105. Yo GBFM

    Took a break from the classics and breezed through The Manipulated Man. Written over thirty years ago, the FEMALE author dropped the dime on her ilk and recieved a decent amount of death threats. No doubt a majority from manginas and white knighters.

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  106. gbfm, the teach-ins for girls have endless possibilities

    “this is the road to serfdom”
    “now let’s play human action”
    “this is how you take the tiger by the tail!”

    This gives a new meaning to “economics on one lesson”!

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  107. on July 27, 2010 at 4:15 am greatbooksformen

    lozlozzloozlozzl

    teach chix adam smith’s division of labor

    she sucks i fucks lzozlzozllzlzlllzzl

    from each acoridng to tehir ability 2 each accoding 2 their needs lzolzolzzozozo she’s a good gievr of head and i need some head lzozlzlzozolzl

    bad money drives good money out of circulation just like bad stinky pussy drives teh criculation out of my cock so it gets soft and i go home lzozlozlzlozzo

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  108. “I wish he would make a post targeted toward us younger guys. I get the feeling girls in our generation have key some differences from girls that are older”

    Agreed. No doubt that us in college and recently graduated are in the frontlines of the male-hunting-for-pussy-trenches. We are at the forefront of the sexual arms race. While he is correct on the fundemental bio-evolutionary female attraction switches, I think the arms race has advanced much further than thought. I know I need work and it takes months of time, but either college game is different, or the game has advanced beyond PUA tradional game. It’s a whole nother animal.

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  109. Oh my god! I like learning about game, but… on the other hand….

    Have men really become this? I am no natural alpha either, but at least I got a lot of poon during my “I don’t give a shit” phases. (Not neccessarily that I didn’t give a shit about women – just the crappy life that comes with her!)

    It doesn’t ALL come down to “game” you know. Sometimes, just not giving a fuck will get you laid in spades. (Yeah, I get it – it’s game! whooo hooo!)

    Yeah, yeah, i know… the club scene!

    Truth be told, I rarely got laid at clubs/cabarets.

    But put me in a pub setting, where the music is low enough to actually TALK! Then, watch out.

    I sure hope there is more to the “game” idea than simply picking up douches in bars. Those girls are only attractive after several beers and a proper brain numbing of the vile life she is offering you.

    I am far more interested in women in other, more mature venues… but that requires some effort.

    And meeting them also requires extra effort.

    Damn women!

    Damn them all!

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  110. As he has taught us about a billion fucking times over, people who have actual lives and are on a mission from God to rule the world don’t have time to txt for an hour because they are busy banging other chicks and/or building the pyramids.

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  111. I sure hope there is more to the “game” idea than simply picking up douches in bars.

    Game is about a lot more than just getting pussy. It puts the power to choose back into your hands.

    The best way to think about it is;
    Would you rather beg for pussy like a trained seal bouncing a ball on his nose in the hope that some woman will throw you a piece of fish out of pity…
    OR
    Would you rather have that on hand whenever you please?

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  112. CR, what are your thoughts on gaming in Sweden?

    Some unique things here:

    * Really hot chicks are a lot more plentiful here than in other places, I suspect.
    * MANY males are metrosexuals/hipsters.
    * Decades of politically correct/feminist brainwashing.
    * Not a lot of sarging going on naturally in the culture. Swedish males are naturally shy, they mostly hit on chicks when raging drunk.
    * I suspect most people here meet via the social circle. Keeping up with the politics and status signalling of one’s local social circle seems important here.
    * State individualism, ie the State takes care of the individual from cradle to grave and displaces all human communities. There is a sense of meaninglessness in the air here. I’m thinking the player could use this to his advantage. Swedish chicks seem obsessed with escaping the boredom, they always go on and on and on about their travel plans for instance.

    Also check out the article “Sarging in Sweden” in Interesting Times #2.

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  113. I sure hope there is more to the “game” idea than simply picking up douches in bars. Those girls are only attractive after several beers and a proper brain numbing of the vile life she is offering you.

    I am far more interested in women in other, more mature venues… but that requires some effort.

    I agree with you here. I think CR is correct when he says that all we care about is how a woman looks, but at the same time we also have a disgust/revulsion mechanism in place. Whereas in a woman that mechanism kills attraction in a man, in man they seem to be able to fire simultaneously, ie you can want to bone a chick that you find to be a disgusting human being.

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  114. @fedrz

    I like…’effort’ is always good…..and finally a man that sounds mature and intelligent and that’s sexy!!!!

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  115. That was a pitch-perfect breakdown of that dudes exchange. Well said, well said indeed

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  116. Black Rebel says, “Believe it or not, there exists out there 7.5s and 8s who aren’t too often gamed, I’m not sure why.”

    Social ugliness.

    When beauty is socially inconvenient in a mangina culture, it is purposefully ignored, harassed into hiding, or brutally exploited until it twists.

    This is exactly why I am pro game. Men need to have the testicles to keep women from effectively neutering them by programming them to be overly concerned about a woman’s social status unrelated to honor.

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  117. on July 27, 2010 at 9:17 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea when I was gaming in strip clubs in the states recently it was caveman game and cash. Although I averaged spending 2k per month. I was fucking and having them suck my cocka
    Actual hot bitches.
    No fus no mus no bullshit no getting to know them for a hundred years.
    he he he
    No text.
    Yea the girlfriend type chick who I moved in with always had chicks coming over that were friends who were vying to get on my cocka.
    Then after I told her about my want of a threesome she started bringing chicks home from work.

    lol fedrz that is why you need.
    The true secret of game is to get to point where you have mad ltr game and then you have a limitless parade of hos delivered to you by your ltr as a gift to her god in the hope of pleasing you.

    This shit about career woman and woman who make more than you and quality woman and woman of value. Yea not gonna work out. They have other gods. There god is career and bla bla or bla bla Get a woman who her sole focus in life is to make you happy and it pleases her to do so. I will get more wives and none of them gonna be working a career just they will support themselves and me by managing some asset that takes little time. The ones who will pass and get to join family are gona show an almost obsession with wanting me to be happy.
    My job will be to fuck the chicks and provide them love and guidance. About it.
    I mean they can make loot. Best if you are the one who sets them up with loot so they are appreciative of what you have done.

    On texting yea I don’t own a mobile except in states I had one but I wasn’t texting the strippers to have them suck my dick. I would hand out my number but never called. My wife has been through like a bunch of them all high cost shit. But seems to be a female thing to love the phones. As a visible status marker for a man I will agree to females. They can be helpfull but it is basically another way I hamstring myself to not fit in to the normal mode. Because fuck that I don’t want to be normal and average. I want to live in motherfuckin paradise on earth since I am stuck here.
    Texting never sent one.

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  118. on July 27, 2010 at 9:24 am Gunslingergregi

    ””’I sure hope there is more to the “game” idea than simply picking up douches in bars. Those girls are only attractive after several beers and a proper brain numbing of the vile life she is offering you. ”””’

    Yea quality woman seem to offer nothing but oh yea you will be allowed to work your whole life for me I will choose to work or not and you will have the privelidge of supporting me and you will only be allowed to get my pussy and my pussy only if I choose to give it up.

    Then they want to act like they are exceptional for this.
    I mean wake the fuck up every woman is like this it seems.

    They have a pussy and offering the guy enslavement to her pussy while they are together and then western chicks get to enslave you to her pussy while your apart.
    It is like ok but where is what I am getting out of the deal other than a pussy. That is it I mean wtf

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  119. on July 27, 2010 at 9:27 am 9, The Editor

    Eh, kinda like trying too hard. A hour away….is questionable.

    speaking of harold bloom. I just came across a old copy of “the lucifer principle”, by HOWARD bloom, excellent book…

    “the closing of the americano mind” was a bummer.

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  120. on July 27, 2010 at 9:34 am Gunslingergregi

    whereas woman all they do need to be happy is a couple status symbols and some good dickin down so they can brag to friends and family about how there man loves to fuck the shit out of them and go into detail and thereby make other woman jealous of them but also respect them and they gain status.

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  121. gbfm — and then you can show her Keynes’ animal spirits!

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  122. Too many “lols” in my opinion, which comes across as feminine or beta – whether face-to-face or over a text message.
    And when you laugh, or say “lol”, you break the tension, and not in a good way.

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  123. This is how it should of went:

    So guess who just got in a fight at the club?

    A fight?

    Haha yeah… She threw the first punch though

    I see – did you win?

    Of course! Im tough, and she backed down

    hmmm, i don’t know if i need a trouble maker coming over

    Haha funny, im not a trouble maker… It was self defense…and who said I was coming over…

    ……Radio Silence (loss of rapport earthquakes her ego)

    Her: Hey nerd, watch ya doin’? :)))))))))

    …..Radio Silence

    Her: So when are you taking me out? :))))))))))))))

    ….Radio Silence

    Her: Why are you ignoring me? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

    Two days later break radio silence:

    Him: I’m going rock climbing Tues after work. Come with

    Game on

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  124. Hey GBFM: don’t overlook classic Country music as a good companion to Great Books for Men. The essence of good classic Country: simplicity and richness.

    I’ve posted Waylon Jennings here before. Here is a Merle Haggard performing “Hungry Eyes.” A story of honorable men, and women who were hypergamous but not desouled.

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  125. on July 27, 2010 at 12:09 pm greatbooksformen

    lozlozlozlzozlozolzozlzlzlzlzlzozozlzlzlz

    like do you guys really need to game in order to score with chcix trained by the fed’s deosuliung videos? lzozlzlozlzlllzlzlzlz “let them hit me.”

    “if it’s not rough it isn’t fun” the fed announces so that they can incarcertae more men lzozlzozozoz see they train womenz 2 both say 1) “if it’s not rough it isn’t fun” women say and “let them hit me.” and then characterize all men as violent.

    think of how many 18-22 year old chix are taking this to heart and going out looking 4 cocks 2 ride every night zlozzolzozlzozlozoozz

    violence agaisnt women is wrong and unjust and immoral.

    dudes you don’t need 2 game them. just be sure they don’t get your moneyz loslsozlzozlzozozlozzlzolzozlzozlzzoooz because that is the bigger reason why the fed is trianing them 2 send contraidctory messages lzozlzozozllzlzozo

    to say “if it’s not rough it isn’t fun” and say and “let them hit me.”

    to maryy you in a chruch before divorcing you in the fed’s police state lzozzlozlozlzozlzlzllz

    the fiat church is but a front for teh fiat state zlzozlzozlzlzllzl the sizzle to sell the steak which turns out to be fake lzozlzozozlzlzlzl

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/23/politician-accuses-lady-gaga-oversexualizing-women-promoting-assault/

    “A leading member of Australia’s Parliament last week slammed “Telephone,” Gaga’s video collaboration with Beyonce, saying its strong imagery speaks to a chronic over-sexualizing of young women. According to Greg Donnelly, raunchy acts like those performed by the pop princess promote promiscuity and cause women to become victims of insatiable male desire.

    “Young boys may start to think that women and young girls are fair game and that they can go to a party on the weekend, get loaded up with grog and that it’s their right to ask a young girl for a h*** job or for anal sex or to push a young woman up against a wall and have sex,” Donnelly said in his sexually explicit speech. “Some members are grimacing, but that is the reality. This material agitates a mindset in young boys, who grow into men, that women are fair game and that such behavior really doesn’t matter; that they can get loaded up with grog or drugs and everything is okay.””

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/03/23/politician-accuses-lady-gaga-oversexualizing-women-promoting-assault/

    lzozozlzl fox news can’t say handjob because sean hannity works tehre lzozlzlzozl. yup that is how the fed wants young boys and girl thinking/acting as tehy desoul teh world kill the family and deppopulate and make everyone service the debt they bankrupt the western world with which tehy created from thin air lzozlzozlzlozlzlzozlzooozozozlzlozlzlzollzlzozlzozlzozlzlz

    why spend you time gaming chix who are progammed by the fed to fuck and suck from an early age? lzozlzzllzloz

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  126. on July 27, 2010 at 10:19 am Gunslingergregi

    Well ok not no fus no mus there was a chick that ripped her tongue ring out on my dick which leads me to believe she was overexcited or inexperienced which for a stripper I find hard to believe he he he

    Actually true secret of game is what I said on other thread.

    The ability to harness your conscious and subconscious body and mind to get what you want out of life.

    Your whole being working towards your goals you set. Doesn’t have to be woman can be anything you want out of life you can set your whole being to achieve and I think this site gives a lot of good advice towards doing that.

    To do this know yourself and what you want.

    Is it multiple woman for you

    Do you want the normal relationship with love till you die and working every day just like the other normal people.

    Do you want to transend life and create your own version of heaven on earth.

    You got to figure out what you want internally and externally. What do you yearn for.
    I think we all want someone to love and love us in the end.
    It is nice but for some it is not enough.

    Young guys yea you should be going out and having fun with friends and acting nuts and prob be on phone all day to practice up get the mass pussy practice touching womans bodies play around try shit have a good time wtf
    he he he
    Your supposed to be experimenting with the shit.

    ”””Powers
    As he has taught us about a billion fucking times over, people who have actual lives and are on a mission from God to rule the world don’t have time to txt for an hour because they are busy banging other chicks and/or building the pyramids.
    ””””
    Nice.

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  127. 384 posts of shit
    and 30 gems
    does not a successful mining
    operation make

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  128. on July 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm greatbooksformen

    hey you say: “Save the threesome talk until a month or two into a sexual relationship.”

    when young teens are growing up watching their idols get fucked and fucked by multiple dudes isn’t a threesome kinda already there in their minds implanted by the fed?

    if you don”t talka bout it they’ll think you’re some old dude who do0esn’t know wht youtube is zlzozlzozlolz

    i mean watch this vidoe which has been viewed 54,556,112 on youtube alone by young chicks wh mimic every move of tehir gheros the fed zlozlzlzl

    i mean Alejandro and his seven firend sare gonna fuck and fuck her and desoul her lzolzlzozlzolzlzllzzoolllzo and trucker max will show up to asscock her most likely when the cameras roll in secret as teh fed desecrates christ at least before getting married you should realzie that this is teh new jesus teh fed threesome hjeuss lozlzozlolz

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  129. I love that song; whenever I’m doing what the song says it starts running through my head “p-p-p-poke her face, p-poke her face”.
    muh muh muhhhhh

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  130. on July 27, 2010 at 8:39 pm Athlone McGinnis

    So overgaming a hot chick is no good, but undergaming a merely cute one is a-ok.
    Cool, that works.

    But what happens when you’re in an environment where girls who are merely cute THINK that they’re a lot hotter? A place where your market value may actually be equal to or slightly higher than hers, but where she will think she will act as though she is slightly more valuable?

    I’m talking about a college campus, one that is a lot more restrained than most. The cutest girls here are usually 7’s in most places, but when they get to campus they are suddenly at the top of the totem pole. The gender ratio is skewed in their favor, so they are very choosy and in most cases require A TON of game before they consider being with you.

    Guys here know this and complain about it all the time. Even the ones who are very high value when they’re at home or at other schools find themselves spitting a TON of game at 7’s, and it often takes weeks of that to get her to a comfort zone where she’ll regularly even make out with you(much less sleep with you).

    So at the end of the day, even if you’re an 8 or a 7 guy approaching a 6 or a 7 girl, you can fully expect her to have heard a ton of game from very high value guys just about every weekend(and on weekdays). Naturally, that will make them harder to get since you will need to match that level of game and they’ll know when you don’t. So, in this scenario, should undergaming just be the general rule for EVERY girl?

    It seems a lot safer as a strategy.

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  131. on July 27, 2010 at 9:32 pm paultheking

    man.. that idiot lozlolzl . everytime I try to read the comments section my eyes are assaulted by the wave of sheer stupidity that he spews.

    fuck.. i forgot what I was going to say about the article

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  132. Yeah, but the majority is usually wrong.

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  133. Athlone, you’re underestimating the value of money and social status. College girls have more than random girls on the street who may or may not be educated or groomed for life with a high status guy.

    It’s like what happens when I step into a Black neighborhood or a not particularly racist area in the South. Out in the rest of North America, I’m just a fat chick. When I’m at home or in a somewhat similarly cultured area, I seldom have to touch a door or the back of a chair. In a marrying type of people environment, social relevence is going to mean more than just raw looks. Looks will still mean something, but not as much.

    It’s not a joke that most college girls are looking for a husband there. Because of this, aside of the odd deluded carouseller, girls are trying to score Mr. Moneybags. Mr. Moneybags, or Mr. Bright-future, if they’re interested in marrying, are looking for the girl who will be compatible with their lifestyle.

    So, a girl with money from a family with money’s social value is higher, despite her looks being mediocre or made over.

    To find normal women with normal prospects, you’ll have to go off campus…just like to find exceptional men with exceptional minds who weren’t related to me, I had to get away from home. If the women where you are, aren’t functioning properly, change the scenery.

    Sidenote: sometimes when I talk about the truth of race, the situation plays over again in my head that when I went to university in my hometown and ALL of the guys I met who were intelligent and independent enough for me turned out to be my cousins or second cousins. I’m sure they weren’t absolutely the only ones, but there is something to be said for genetic attraction. So long as I stayed there, I was going to run into that problem of a lot of the people who related to me instantly via body language, appearance, and values, being genetically related.

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  134. on July 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm msexceptiontotherule

    gunslingergregi
    ””””””’msexceptiontotherule
    you know a guy’s alpha when he can tell a hot chick he has herpes and she still takes home and fucks him.

    lolz.
    ”””””
    I’m so alpha herpes fears me.

    **************

    I find that strangely comforting. 😉 my passport app is going to take forever with how efficient the U.S. government is about those things. dammit.

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  135. on July 28, 2010 at 3:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    he he he

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  136. on July 28, 2010 at 3:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””on July 26, 2010 at 2:52 pm Paul
    In my experience over-gaming followed by caveman game when the anti-slut barrier goes up leads to extreme wet seasons.”””””

    And I think you would be correct.

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  137. on July 28, 2010 at 5:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””gunslingergregi
    Then I have the revelation on why game is cool because it is what I have been working my whole life. To be able to focus mind body and soul subconsciouse and conscious to achieving shit.

    So yea there is your answer just focus on getting your next dude and you will.””””””””’

    I see you took my advice which is usually pretty good and normally works.

    The other point of dealing with woman at some point they have to make the choice of their own free will to decide that you are going to be their man and maybe even chase a little. Or maybe tear some other bitches hair out to get you. Shit like that. They got to want it to get to the level that you need to get to be there for some potential long term bliss.

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  138. on July 28, 2010 at 5:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    And yea I consider for that to be equivelant or more than tearing a bitches hair out for you at this point in your life. I am touched and yea pretty cute too he he he

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  139. GBFM took the place of David Alexander as the #1 most annoying reader.

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  140. […] – “Overgaming“, “Proof of the Modern American Harem“, “Chicks Dig Jerks: Game is its Own […]

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  141. This is actually a good first effort. But the girl submits numerous times throughout the conversation and the guy doesn’t do anything about it.

    Maybe this weekend? you’ll love it (trying to commit to a meeting)
    You MAY have your way with me, whatever you want (whoah! huge submission!)
    The more rough, the better (escalation, submission)
    Innocent? Im far from it, i can be a very bad girl (trying to escalate)
    Oh my, im so turned on right now! (trying to escalate)

    After these statements, the guy then says something to de-escalate. This is a mistake and it’s clear that the guy is uncomfortable moving forward. However, like I said before, this is pretty good for a beginner.

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