Proximity Alerts

Mystery discusses the attraction signals girls send when they are in the vicinity of a man they wish would approach them.

He makes a very good point toward the end of the video. In groups of two or more girls who are loitering near you, it’s the girl with her back to you who is the one who finds you attractive. In my experience, this is true almost all the time. It must be something subconscious which triggers a clutch of chicks to automatically arrange themselves in this manner. The advantage it offers the interested girl would be a chance to discuss with her friends — who have their eyes on you and are judging your reaction to their presence — whether you are checking her out and how alpha you are up close, while simultaneously giving her plausible deniability that she would like you to approach.

See, girls have game, too. It’s called coyness.





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  1. on August 3, 2010 at 6:29 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    God it’s so hard to listen to this douchebag. Why can’t he just wear a suit and ditch the hat. Solid info though, he’s extremely well spoken.

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  2. on August 3, 2010 at 6:33 pm Steven Rhoads

    “In groups of two or more girls who are loitering near you, it’s the girl with her back to you who is the one who finds you attractive.”

    iyt is because she is hoping datyou butthex her and tape it secretly without her conthent and makes lotsa fiat benrankecash on a bookdeal or two lzozlzolzozozzozozlzlz

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  3. or just to show their callipygian side as a primal attraction mechanism. After all, all we want are fertile females to copulate with.

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  4. He wore a suit in a video I saw a long time ago. I think it was at a David D seminar. He looked good (no homo).

    How many women do you think this guy has banged?
    For that matter – same question applies to people like Deangelo, Strauss, and Tyler.

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  5. having her back towards you forces you to approach her

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  6. on August 3, 2010 at 6:58 pm gunslingergregi

    Unless they are younger woman who have not learned to be coy yet and they will jump up and down, smile big, play with their friends hair, and fake model to get your attention.

    Or sometimes you see the signs of the coyness and give them a mercy kill in order that they can move on with lives he he he

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  7. I learnt this by watching how my older cousins, mostly girls, behaved around men they liked.

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  8. Mystery is right about this. The man I find most attractive in a group is the one I would go out of my way to ignore. Not sure why this is.

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  9. weak attempt at placating mystery after he AMOGed you….

    via e-mail……

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  10. Intellectual social proofing combined with a compliment… use the word callipygian with a girl.

    It’s an excellent word when running Game.

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  11. on August 3, 2010 at 7:12 pm gunslingergregi

    Course the eye look is still the best indicator of interest and most sure.

    You can tell she wants you no guesswork. he he he

    Plus she is choosing you technically.

    I would rather have the woman who knows she wants just me rather than a woman who flirts endlessly with a whole group in order to get my attention.

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  12. It’d be nice if Mystery would focus enough to have a regularly updated blog or newsletter instead of letting his ghostwriters/marketers put out packaged junk based on old material.

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  13. on August 3, 2010 at 7:34 pm GI of Saigon

    It’d be nice if Mystery would focus enough to have a regularly updated blog or newsletter instead of letting his ghostwriters/marketers put out packaged junk based on old material.

    A market opportunity for you, Roosh. Seize it, and surpass Mystery.

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  14. “How many women do you think this guy has banged?”

    When I took a Mystery Method workshop in 2002, he told us the number, and I think it was in the high double digits. I had every reason to believe him, since I watched him do a lot of remarkable things with women, including a poetically fluid pull of a particularly beautiful blonde, whom he had sex with the next day. Nothing I’ve seen on television compares to the extraordinary effect I saw him have on people at that early workshop.

    A few years later, I recall him reporting on some board that he was in the triple digits.

    Since he got on television, I bet opportunities come easier than ever, despite the fact that lots of people think he’s a douche. By now, I think his number is limited only by his appetite, not by his opportunities.

    DeAngelo, on the other hand–my wild guess is somewhere in the teens.

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  15. The Mystery method, first or second edition, is the Bible of game.

    DeAngelo has some good stuff too.

    They’re boths a lot superior to Tyler D’s stuff, at least for the novice (much of the RSD Natural Game stuff sounds like repackaged version of “Just be yourself”). Even though I hear that David D is now going down that Via Dolorosa.

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  16. 4:36 “If I’m with a lot of women, 3 girls, proximity will take place”—great DHV…..just to re-enforce for the group of seminarians that he’s good with women he slips that in.

    “Lovedrop and I, good buddy of mine…and Venusian Arts Instructor….” pause for the cause….he’s good. DHV, social proofs, here’s another good example.

    In live conversation, this has more impact but listening to it in a video, there is a “try-hard” aspect to it, but that’s perhaps because he’s explained what he’s doing in other videos and so this draws attention to itself.

    But it has an impact on the listener to raise his value and authority.

    1) he’s with 3 girls
    2) he’s got a buddy who’s another “pick up artist and co-founder of the Venusian Arts”… Each statement opens up the door for the listener to ask more questions: “What’s the Venusian Arts?” “a “what??” etc.

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  17. i buy the showing the butt theory more than mystery’s afraid to approach the alpha male because he’s bigger theory. it’s a subtle act of submission.

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  18. Proximity is one of the first things I learned about in the community that turned out to be a virtual truism. When I showed it to some friends that didn’t think Game was real they were astounded. One took to timing it and we are now at the point we can estimate to within 5-10 seconds how long they’ll linger in that spot.

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  19. 4:36 “If I’m with a lot of women, 3 girls, proximity will take place”—great DHV…..just to re-enforce for the group of seminarians that he’s good with women he slips that in.

    ““Lovedrop and I, good buddy of mine…and Venusian Arts Instructor….” pause for the cause….he’s good. DHV, social proofs, here’s another good example.

    In live conversation, this has more impact but listening to it in a video, there is a “try-hard” aspect to it, but that’s perhaps because he’s explained what he’s doing in other videos and so this draws attention to itself.

    But it has an impact on the listener to raise his value and authority.

    1) he’s with 3 girls
    2) he’s got a buddy who’s another “pick up artist and co-founder of the Venusian Arts”… Each statement opens up the door for the listener to ask more questions: “What’s the Venusian Arts?” “a “what??” etc.”

    exactly, he games the guys in the audience as much as he games girls, which answers the comment:

    ” Why can’t he just wear a suit and ditch the hat.”

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  20. proximity alert

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  21. I wonder how much money these guys are making???

    Any guesses out there ???

    its got to be above the 1/2million per year for Mystery and Tyler D.

    What lifestyle eh!

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  22. very well put out

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  23. His advice about hair and hand touching being an automatic grooming response is spot on. Also the body positioning was right.

    But he did lie and bs a lot.

    – Less than 300 circuits… when you lie you usually avoid or make minimal eye contact. Visa-versa too much forced eye contact is also a sign of lying. He clearly made that “fact” up on the spot.

    – Touching the mouth or face is one of the basic signs of lying. Interesting how he did it after he said he had value… Must be a off day.

    – The statement that he did experiments…. total bs mouth touch and looking down at floor.

    – I doubt it was three sets. Whatever insignificant lie. It was probably four.

    Dope hat. Personally I would have gone with the Raccoon hat.

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  24. Thursday,

    My Tyler D experience composed of “Foundations” (which was really good, if pretty similar to Mystery), and the “Blueprint” (some good points, but a lot of Eckhart Tolle, new-agey stuff, not my cup of tea).

    I’ve no doubt that his new stuff is highly effective for folks who’ve managed to internalise their game with enough practice – but for recovering betas like myself, it’s probably not the best place to start.

    You’re a bit hard on David DeAngelo: “Cocky-funny” is one hell of a concept. Likewise “attraction is not a choice”. Good delivery too.

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  25. Again, I’m of the Learned Game school, rather than the Natural Game school. And the Mystery method (book) changed my life.

    Not sure if the natural stuff would have worked as well – would have been a case of the cart before the horse, for myself at least.

    But, whatever works for folks. Natural game is popular now, and with good reason. It’s just that it’s probably not the best place to start.

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  26. This is so cute, and totally correct too. It is like talking about little monkeys.

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  27. Isn’t a co-opting femme mating strategies a significant tenet of game?

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  28. In tight crowds, the girl with her back turned to you is the one closest to you. She’s the one you can smell, and can look over her figure, bare neck and ears with abandon, knowing that she’s allowing you to. She can feel your breath and your gaze, as she notices your conversation change. She can see how her friends size you up by simply watching their faces – they act like emotional rear-view mirrors. And still she stands there. What’s not to miss?

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  29. That’s the famous “Mystery”? Oh wow, no wonder game works for him. I thought game wasn’t supposed to be about how good you look.

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  30. “they act like emotional rear-view mirrors”

    great line

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  31. @Sniper
    That’s the famous “Mystery”? Oh wow, no wonder game works for him. I thought game wasn’t supposed to be about how good you look.

    Yeah, well, works better for some than others.

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  32. Mystery has it right about turning the back.

    Hard to orchestrate this in large groups and only works in highly sexualized settings like bars.

    If you don’t sarge in bars, this might not be as useful.

    Most obvious with younger girls, observed with younger guys – 13-18 (add giggling and over-the shoulder-looks). Also visible with young 20’s. Drops *way* down when women get to their late 20’s and early 30’s.

    Personal observations.

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  33. Sniper, what are you talking about? “Mystery” is seriously fug!

    Speaking as a female, any woman that does him is pathetic!

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  34. “Mystery”? Oh wow, no wonder game works for him. I thought game wasn’t supposed to be about how good you look.”

    nope. nobody said that.

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  35. Speaking as a female, any woman that does him is pathetic!

    You would do him. You just don’t know it yet.

    Now….I will let you have a rare honor :

    Detox my Buttox.

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  36. Just noticed this: wear headgear/hair/sunglasses that (nearly) cover your eyes/face. They love not being sure where you’re looking.

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  37. omg, there are really little monkeys in that video AHE posted.

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  38. did mystery ever act cocky-funny? hard to imagine that dude being funny.

    then again, the slightest aside from an alpha will make a girl laugh.

    id say he shows that if u r cocky enough u can forget about being funny.

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  39. in the video i posted the male monkey lying on the hood of the higher primates’ vehicle served as social proof and laid back aplomb. the female couldnt resist shoving her ass in his face.

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  40. If you want to fuck a lot of bitches, you need to escalate the social tension (aloof) until she cracks and leaks her interest. Once this has happened, your hand is on the brake controlling the rate at which your silver tongue leads her licking her clit.

    The surest tells are the:
    eye sparkle/eye dancing
    coy smile
    accidently touching your hand
    escalating her proximity within your sightline
    her quickly breaking eye contact and then immediately looking back at you.
    And the surest signal you can fuck the bitch the same night: she will position herself directly in front of you, turn to meet your eyes and immedielty look down with a coy smile. You will be fucking soon.

    The key in talking to a woman isn’t what you say, it’s that you display a calm central nervous system (confidence)which signals you have had successful experience at her level. That’s all she is looking for. Anything else is being an entertainment monkey.

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  41. The mystery is under his hat: he keeps his pet monkey Cecil there.

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  42. does he wear that hat in summer too?

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  43. You guys should really lay off of Mystery’s hat. It’s part of his Hasidic heritage.

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  44. on August 4, 2010 at 12:08 am The Rational Male

    Before I knew anything about game my buddy and I used to observe women moving themselves into our proximity in the clubs. We called it “P” for “positioning”.

    And I can tell you from firsthand experience that the one with her back toward you is the one who is interested. It’s easy to see on the dancefloor at a club because the standard 5-8 feet is whittled down to 3-4 and if you pay close enough attention you can see the friend who is looking your way signaling the one who likes you.

    The chick you noticed ten minutes earlier at the bar checking you out from across the room who is now standing 3 feet and 30 degrees in front of you shaking her ass is most certainly open to letting you rub your stiffy on her backside for a couple of minutes, if nothing else.

    I forget who it was but one of the PUA’s had a video that talks about how to tell if a group of women is open to being approached based upon their body language and the way they are looking around the room. Pretty fascinating to be aware of this and watch how one pair of women are leaning into each other in an animated conversation while the pair of women next to them are obviously friends but are standing or sitting upright, exchanging few words and looking over their shoulders from time to time.

    The latter type are ripe for the pickin’.

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  45. on August 4, 2010 at 12:59 am greatbooksformen

    HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! LZOZLZOOZLLZLZ

    I JUST TEXTED “BNRING THE MOVIES” TO A HOTTIE LZOZLZOLZLZ TOTALLY RANDOMLY

    SO SHE ASKS ME WHICH MOVIE?

    AND NOW SHE’S SUMMING OVER WITH DA MOVIE KICK ASS!!!

    HOLY FUCKING SHOIT ROISSY YOU GOT ME LAID!!! I OWE YOU ONE!! BUT NOT IN THE BUTTOXLXOLZOZLZLLZLZLLZ

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  46. on August 4, 2010 at 2:08 am J (second one)

    Editor;

    The dude in the vid is a fucking moron. look st the shit he’s wearing. The only thing he could attract with that stupid hat is a tranny and one that isn’t too choosy.

    If that’s an Alpha male I wanna be a beta.

    And no, the point about being individual with dress style doesn’t work with a class A faggot like that.

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  47. fact is mystery is a sleazeball who likely will fail to keep his daughter off the pole.

    chicks dig sleazeballs.

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  48. all the biodiversity enthusiasts should take note that mystery is trailer trash thug who has procreated.

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  49. jesus said the white trash shall inherit the earth. or was that meek. same thing.

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  50. Well, duh. Levi Johnston aka Ricky Hollywood has a kid by Bristol Palin, another by some other teen chick, has some new hottie he did a music video with (who looks like a much hotter Bristol Palin, daughter of an NFL retired player), and probably a few more kids to come.

    Chicks do indeed dig sleazeballs. DUH. They always have, they always will. So be the biggest damn sleazeball you can be. Girls deserve to have EXACTLY what they want. Good and hard, after all.

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  51. mystery’s good friend tony robbins said today: CHASE YOUR DREAMS SCREAMING WITH A GUN IN ONE HAND AND YOUR COCK IN THE OTHER!

    yikes!

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  52. i havent read mysterys books and thus cant argue he didnt offer any original insights. what were his original insights? the primate sexual behavior stuff is textbook. predates mystery. social proof is dog knowledge. proust wrote about the value of aloofness in 50 billion words or less. negging used to be called puppy love. a boy treats a girl like a dog and thats puppy love. thats from a daddy knows best episode. well named.

    what original insight did mystery ever have?

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  53. on August 4, 2010 at 4:52 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    Enough with the Mystery hate! You are a guy. You are not attracted to him. Women are. He is using what has proven successful for him.

    The hat is peacokcing. He wears it so when compared to the other men in the bar, a woman will rmeember “the guy with the fuzzy hat” and will look for him in the crowd. If you look like every other guy, she will not see you.

    The other thing is, peacocking gives a woman a reason to talk to him. The key is to mot make a big deal out of it unless she talks about it first.

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  54. “Enough with the Mystery hate! You are a guy. You are not attracted to him. Women are. He is using what has proven successful for him.

    The hat is peacokcing. He wears it so when compared to the other men in the bar, a woman will rmeember “the guy with the fuzzy hat” and will look for him in the crowd. If you look like every other guy, she will not see you.

    The other thing is, peacocking gives a woman a reason to talk to him. The key is to mot make a big deal out of it unless she talks about it first.”

    he’s a good looking sleazeball. girls get wet for that. i get it.

    i can still hate him if i want. he doesn’t get me wet. and i can hate the girls who get wet for him.

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  55. Readers of this blog might appreciate this: http://jezebel.com/5603604/sex-and-the-university-what-we-can-learn-from-college-sexperts

    Basically it is a free for all on college campuses. The dumb cunts chasing alpha cocks think they are liberated. Run hamster, run!

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  56. Hah, mystery is still going strong I see.

    I just rely on the guts game — approach any girl who you want to fuck.

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  57. Mystery gets laid a bunch more now because he is famous. Fame=pussy, no matter what, because women mistake fame for alpha. Think about it: the men women talked about for generations were alpha-leaders (military, hunters). Betas were ignored. So in cultures where fame comes from other sources, women’s brains get confused. That’s why serial killers and reality show stars can pull pussy while “nice” guys get squat. This is why Gary Coleman and Mini-Me can get laid from hotties and have orgies—fame confuses women’s tiny brains.

    I’m reminded of that terrible movie Rockstar starring that untalented douche Marky Mark. There is a good scene in it: where women line up to sleep with him, and he feels obligated to put out night after night with girl after girl, almost trying to justify his alphaness when he’s really just a very good karaoke singer.

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  58. This is so insightful! I catch myself doing this to fellows that get my heart racing. Also, one thing someone else has pointed out is the habit of being more reserved, too. Specifics: turning body away from him at an angle, less eye contact (looking down a lot).

    For some reason, I get extremely shy and nervous around such fellows. My body will respond with physiological signs: increase heart rate, sweatiness.

    It is a frustrating situation because I do not think a lot of men pick up on these cues. Then, the ones who I am more relaxed around (and not as attracted to) assume there is something there.

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  59. VEEE HAVE OUR VAAAYS!!! hehehehe!!!

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  60. @Sniper
    I’ve said before, I think Mystery is good looking. He has a mesmerising quality. He was actually more so in this video with the sound turned down (long story) than when I just watched it again with the sound. There’s definitely something about him being tall there, even when sitting down he’s very attractive.

    He also comes across as non threatening (generally, not just in this video) which is a very good trait for a big guy to have.

    Re his clothes, as he mentions slightly in this video he dresses like a rockstar. That’s because like Neil Strauss mentions in the Game, he wants club girls.

    So there’s no point in him wearing an Italian suit, he’s not after women who would be attracted to that. Men are supposed to dress and peacock in the way that works for them, not all wear fluffy hats.

    I’d say the only thing wrong with Mystery is he also comes across a bit (at least to me) as sleazy and with the sense of feeling that he may give you a disease..

    @Markzoni
    I had missed the email exchange, I looked it up and had a chuckle. I thought Mystery’s writing style in that email if genuine was actually female (an intelligent not overly emotional one). I’m not surprised though, from what I’ve seen of both Mystery and Style.

    @GirlGirl
    “Then, the ones who I am more relaxed around (and not as attracted to) assume there is something there.”
    LOL. I know exactly what you mean.

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  61. @Sniper
    Bit bored so watching more Mystery videos on youtube in my office. He’s not as good looking when he’s got the beanie and ski goggles thing going on. Though I think he also doesn’t have make up on in that vid. Cowboy hat and furry hats work for him.

    He’s also a bit skinny and pale so minus points from me. But I suppose that goes with the rockstar look.

    He wouldn’t exactly be able to pull off Californian surfer dude look 🙂

    Check out youtube vids if you have a spare half hour. Also have a look at Neil Strauss (Style) like the video with Jessica Alba. He’s got a different vibe going on, more like a friend with charisma.

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  62. Girls,

    Guys know you all are giving hints here with your explicit descriptions of what turns you on and how you behave and feel.

    TOOOO obvious!!

    Bad game!!!

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  63. on August 4, 2010 at 9:41 am Vincent Ignatius

    Good stuff. Mystery is the Newton of poon. I should go back and review the Venusian Arts.

    Another commenter said this would only happen in sexualized venues. That may be true about the turned back and group of girls gathered around, but the hair twirling and hand touching happens in cafes just as much as in bars.

    @Markzoni
    CR is good enough to get on Mystery’s radar. What’s you contribution to game?

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  64. Interesting Girl Game move on me last night:

    I was working on my laptop on the patio of an upscale restaurant. There was a corporate dinner thing going on at the end of the patio. About a dozen hot women…couldn’t decide whom I’d try to approach and I really was busy.

    Into the evening a full figured 9 smiled at me as she walked by to use the washroom facilities inside. On the way back she looked at me smiling as well and I opened. After about 2 minutes of banter I learned she had my favorite song on her mobile phone…so I said “Bluetooth it over to me”. She said “Sure” and returned to her table.

    My phone has my name electronically and her’s had her name so my phone beeped a minute later with a “Phone Katrina is sending you a file. Do you accept?”. I clicked Yes and soon had my favorite song.

    I really appreciated this but a guy from her group was seriously wooing her (trying to drunkenly kiss her) so I just continued working.

    Within the next 10 minutes I accepted 2 more unsolicited files as she sent two more songs that she thought I would like. I did not react.

    20 minutes after that I get another file for me to accept with a “Yes” or “No”. I clicked yes and open it.

    It was a Notes document that said “Can you send me your phone number”.

    I was floored. She was number closing me via Bluetooth!

    She didn’t know my phone number but was communicating with my phone.

    I hadn’t realized that one can write a message in a Notes or Word document and then send a message to any phone within 30 yards that one might identify as belonging to a target.

    In this case, as I struggled to learn how to fill out a file and send it back, she came over and I asked her to enter her number into my phone. She leaned over with her fantastic rack in my face and obliged.

    I stammered, staring at the rack “You are so incredibly beautiful” – it pays to define a relationship from the start as sexual – and she said “Yeah, I know. So you’ll call tomorrow to teach me English?”

    So here is what I learned about a possible Cold Bluetooth Approach:

    In a venue such as a bar with a number of hot women, rename your phone “GuyintheWhitePoloShirt” and send a message to a phone with a female name…extra points if you could pinpoint a target’s name from overhearing her group’s conversation.

    The message could be something like “Lose that crowd and cmon over to say hi”.

    Use it only as a fun opener. When someone looks at you, you can approach and open in person if she was one of those you wanted to approach anyway.

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  65. pupu started liking mystery after reading his threatening letter to roissy (posted here awhile ago) for saying bad things about his daughter. what makes a woman like a guy can be very different from what he is selling.

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  66. @ what
    lol. Just intellectual curiosity on my part on the whole. if anything helps anyone else, i hope so.
    by the way, i just remembered Jay Kay (from jamiroquai, that was the band’s name not his) used to wear fluffy hats but it didn’t work on him as on Mystery, even though he is an actual rock star. Jay Kay is a very good looking guy though (despite not being anywhere near as tall as Mystery). Though neither are particularly relationship/marriage looking material.

    @Jerry
    Brilliant! Fantastic idea to rename the phone and the message.

    I don’t have BT enabled on my phone as I don’t want to be bluejacked and it also runs the battery down, but if that were not the case, I would be flattered. Better not send it to multiple phones though heh.

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  67. So here is what I learned about a possible Cold Bluetooth Approach:

    In a venue such as a bar with a number of hot women, rename your phone “GuyintheWhitePoloShirt” and send a message to a phone with a female name…extra points if you could pinpoint a target’s name from overhearing her group’s conversation.

    The message could be something like “Lose that crowd and cmon over to say hi”.

    Use it only as a fun opener. When someone looks at you, you can approach and open in person if she was one of those you wanted to approach anyway.

    Nice…just about the creepiest approach I can possibly think of. Worst of all, you’re in a situation where this type of gay electronic communication isn’t even necessary. Nut up and talk to the girl, this isn’t the World…of Warcraft.

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  68. on August 4, 2010 at 10:05 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””on August 4, 2010 at 9:54 am pupu
    pupu started liking mystery after reading his threatening letter to roissy (posted here awhile ago) for saying bad things about his daughter. what makes a woman like a guy can be very different from what he is selling.
    ””””

    And I missed it. Dang must look it up.

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  69. “HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!! LZOZLZOOZLLZLZ

    I JUST TEXTED “BNRING THE MOVIES” TO A HOTTIE LZOZLZOLZLZ TOTALLY RANDOMLY

    SO SHE ASKS ME WHICH MOVIE?

    AND NOW SHE’S SUMMING OVER WITH DA MOVIE KICK ASS!!!

    HOLY FUCKING SHOIT ROISSY YOU GOT ME LAID!!! I OWE YOU ONE!! BUT NOT IN THE BUTTOXLXOLZOZLZLLZLZLLZ”

    “Bring the movies” was Roissy’s and “Non sequitur game” was Roissy’s but combining the two was mine.

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  70. @FragGrrl

    I’ll agree that approaching in person remains the best option, tried and tested for 2 million years of history. I constantly advise men here not to ask women out via text when a phone call is considered a lot braver and take charge.

    But its still cool that the technology does that and I can a group of guys mischievously stirring up the pot by broadcasting to “female phones” around them some sort of funny opener about joining their group or whatever.

    By the way, life is too short for men to bother living in a culture where the word “creepy” and “stalker” and a few other anti-male words even exist.

    Here in Eastern Europe you can still send women you barely know flowers and they like you better for it.

    If I tried a real Cold Bluetooth Approach on someone here that mattered (not that I’m giving up personal approaches any time soon), it would likely only fail if she were married or not attracted to me, but not because of any concept that good looking American men can be “creepy”. Of course, it could cause her concern over her phone security – lots of restaurants in Europe bombard people with Bluetooth advertising – in which case she might click No to receiving a message without realizing who it was being sent from and why.

    I just got this link in a newsletter email which accurately describes how feminism has badly hurt the USA and the UK in terms of men being considered creeps until proven otherwise:

    http://www.happierabroad.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8259

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  71. Tactical question:

    If these principles are correct, do you think one can create attraction or at least influence a girl’s reaction by creating the proximity factor (placing yourself behind the girl, about 4-5 feet away)? [similar theory behind experiments showing that subjects who are forced to smile for no reason actually report being happier after a few minutes]

    If its all evolutionarily hard-wired like Mystery says, I wonder if placing yourself behind a girl (in a social setting like party, conference, church; not like a weirdo) is a good dominant position for the guy. You still have to have the girl notice you at some point or she will remain oblivious to you, but if you’re at least attractive enough for her to note your presence, I wonder if being behind her, out of sight, adds some intrigue.

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  72. “i havent read mysterys books and thus cant argue he didnt offer any original insights. what were his original insights?”

    He explicitly described game structure from beginning to end. That in itself was fairly significant.

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  73. Mystery’s looks:

    This is coming from a straight guy, so it may be worthless, but I noticed a couple things: 1) he has nice teeth/lips/mouth. I think that is huge because that is what people look at when you’re talking. 2) good posture, even when slouching back in his chair. He keeps his shoulders and head back, minimizes unnecessary movement, creates the impression that he is tall (maybe he is tall?), and he looks at who he is talking to without nervous look-aways 3) while skinny, it keeps his face thin and gives his limbs the appearance of length. Skinny is typically a healthy look anyway and I’ve never known it to disqualify someone from a hot thin chick.

    If anything, his peacocking creates mystery. My first impression was “wtf”? But maybe that’s a good impression to have on a girl. Better than “he looks okay/acceptable/conforming/beta.”

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  74. Mystery is a douche, an insightful douche.

    Who am I going to believe? An academic with a peach fuzz fu-manchu running stats on questionnaires ?

    If progress is made by sweat, who’s been sweating it out? The clip-clop ridding on the net is from dick because there was porn in Kansas.

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  75. Ladies and Gents – to follow up on my newcomer’s intrusion above, I hereby hypothesize that genuine appreciation for callipygian females (and large hip/waist ratios) is a discriminant between your inner beta and alpha. For breasts merely cater to the little boy’s nurturing needs while butt and its proxy, hips, hint at a woman’s ability to successfully carry a pregnancy to a fruitful conclusion (without C-section and epidural, of course).

    So… contemporary obsession over breasts (e.g. http://www.peripatetic.com/archives/000332.html) may well be a subconscious societal offspring of feminism. Focus back down (or down back), pals.

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  76. More (no homo) comments on Mystery’s looks.

    He has good steady, perhaps intense, eye contact.
    He has good steady, calm, confident vocal delivery.
    He probably counts as good looking, certainly not bad looking.
    I believe that he is very tall (6’6″ yes, six foot, six inches) and peacocks that with tall hats and boots. Many men so tall would try to down play their height.

    His theatrical style would not suit every guy but was probably part of building his confidence (getting over the self consciousness of looking like that).

    Many seem to forget Ross Jeffries who was probably one of the first to really commercialize pickup advice. However, Mystery was probably the first to give such a clear theoretical and systematic approach.

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  77. I just don’t think that big hips necessarily equates with ability to give birth easily.

    Some women have broad hips because their hipbones are wide, in such cases your theory probably makes sense, but other women have quite narrow hipbones but a tendency to put on fat on the hips, in which case they wouldn’t have any easier time of it in childbirth than women with narrow hipbones & a tendency to carry fat elsewhere.

    And I really can’t see how fat on the ass (which doesn’t always go with wide hips) is related to ease in childbirth although in an era before cushions it was probably helpful in terms of more comfortable sitting.

    I would probably agree that if a woman had very narrow hips she would have difficulty in childbirth but really the only way to tell for sure once you have eliminated these women is a thorough hipbone search on the others.

    Also, I’d venture to suggest that the size of the baby’s head might also be relevant. If you come from a family of large headed babies, you’d be doing a positive social service, in the era before Caesarian sections, if you confined your attentions to women who passed the hipbone test.

    The obsession with the callipygian shape peaked in Victorian times (with the invention of the bustle) and fell out of fashion among Europeans round the time of the First World War, I’m not sure why (possibly cushions became more widely available at this stage, making a bony bottom less of a problem).

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  78. it’s all about that black nail polish. and the hat.

    you noobs out there could learn a thing or two — dope hats like that and painted nails, maybe even wear some eyeliner or lipstick, is soo money when it comes to bagging chicks. that’s all you need for a good swoop.

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  79. on August 4, 2010 at 11:39 am gunslingergregi

    I agree guys should be breaking out what works as well.

    Nice job Jerry,

    Trying new shit, biting chunks out of fucking life.

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  80. sdaedalus,

    You need a new name (one that I can remember to spell) and photo.

    I wonder if there’s a correlation between people with big heads pairing with women with wide hips? I, along with all the males in my family, have a large head. I was just commenting to my friend yesterday how much I used to enjoy sleeping with a girl who had wider hips. I’m not talking about overweight girls, or girls with ghetto booty. My wife doesn’t have wide hips, and I’m attracted to girls with narrow hips, but i’ve never been turned off by girls with wide hips (again, i’m not talking fat flabby girls…not interested in that). I wonder if i’m programmed to tolerate wider hips because of my DNA programming (big head and offspring likely to have big head).

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  81. good points sdaedalus – in Africa where callipygy is genetically more prominent than elsewhere, the trait was associated with a capacity to face dry season declining food resources with stored fat to cater to fetal (and later newborn) growth. As for hip size and ability for vaginal delivery I imagine there are exceptions and caveats. I observed some narrow-hip women performing well at childbirth (there must be some correlation between head and hip size…).

    Ah well, maybe we need to include anonymous social security hip-test at Schiphol airport.

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  82. steatopygia, not callipygy

    callipygian is nice shapely buttocks

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  83. No photo, you will all just have to use your imagination. The name stays. You can call me SD for short if you like. Yes, I know it is only one letter away from STD, but what the hell.

    My understanding from my very limited reading of the topic in Victorian novels is that hip placement as well as hip width is also relevant to ease of childbirth. But ultimately it has more to do with the size of the baby’s head than anything else.

    Most women who died in childbirth tended to die from puerperal fever than from narrow hips. Of course, if a woman had narrow hips, it is possible that more intervention would have to take place which in turn would have increased the likelihood of infection.

    I don’t actually think men have a natural attraction to women who are able to give birth to their babies easily, otherwise why on earth would so many women have died in childbirth over the years (they couldn’t all have been arranged marriages).

    I would think that a far better thing to do than a hipbone test would be to make sure that whoever was delivering the baby washed their hands well before delivery. Sometimes not only puerperal fever, but venereal disease, was passed on by a midwife or surgeon who went from one patient to another without washing their hands. Btw poor women weren’t attended by surgeons which is why more of them actually survived.

    And whether someone looks like they have wide hips or not actually depends not just on the width of the hips (fat & hipbone) but also the width of the shoulders, waist & ribs above & the legs below. It is a question of proportion. A lot of women who appear to have narrow hips may actually have the same hip width as those whose hips are their broadest part, it is just a question of frame. The best way is just to measure.

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  84. thanks dana, my bad, replace above. but steatopygia is really the extreme case – minority pygmies and khoisan aside, on the average African females (even slender ones) have much nicer butts than other females. IOW, among all fat reserves, bubble butt is one that is nice & shapely to me. not to you?

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  85. @sdaedalus

    If you ever look at a woman in her third trimester, imagine if she stored fat on her stomach. She would never get up. Also consider belly fat is known to stress the heart. Combine this with the heart stress of pregnancy and I would say fat on the booty is the best place to go. That is what makes a flat stomach sexy. Its like a room clean room. The neon sign says vacancy. A pot belly on a girl is like a room with a dirty ash tray, used condoms and and wet towels. Its already lived in by fat.

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  86. black women’s asses are viscerally repellent to me, then again, not a man so ass isn’t a big concern of mine

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  87. I’ve been in this situation before.

    I just don’t know how to handle it.

    I suppose the best thing to do is try to talk to the ones that don’t have their back to me and ignore the one that obviously is into me. But maybe this is counter productive. Maybe the girl is just shy.

    I was actually out with some friends and there was a girl with us I did not know. She had her back to me the whole time, seemingly on purpose.

    At the end of the night, she went to hug me… I was like ‘you had your back to me the whole night on purpose and now you want a hug’? She looked insulted.

    oh well

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  88. […] alert Proximity Alerts Citizen Renegade This is very true, and you will notice this more when 'moned up. __________________ […]

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  89. It’s not really talked about very much, in fact it’s only in the last ten years or so that men came out about man-boobs, but some men tend to have childbearing hips too.

    A famous example was the Nazi Reinhard Heydrich, his tendency to store fat on his hips was seen as proof of his sinisterness.

    I’m not sure if there’s an evo-psych reason for childbearing hips in men, or indeed man-boobs, but I’d be interested to know if anyone has any ideas.

    Btw if you look at Victorian nudes, every single female nude has a slight pot-belly (to the extent that a lot of them look in the first trimester of pregnancy) this applies even where their body shapes generally vary. It would have been easy to have airbrushed it out in painting, but for some reason it was kept in.

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  90. Mystery.
    Tall good-looking guy arrives at club with large, obsequious entourage and uses wit to attract girls.

    A miracle.

    pupu

    pupu started liking mystery after reading his threatening letter to roissy (posted here awhile ago) for saying bad things about his daughter.

    thou impish naif-ette. what made him mad was actually our comparing his singing to Hugh Grant learning baby unicorn seals were starving on ice floes.

    what makes a woman like a guy can be very different from what he is selling.

    What makes a woman like aguy is if she thinks she has a chance against his fame. Just call him

    Jerry So here is what I learned about a possible Cold Bluetooth Approach:

    lmfao
    +++++++++

    All the MysteryOpinions are scintillating. I can’t wait to read them all, then put mine in

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  91. @sdaedalus

    “I don’t actually think men have a natural attraction to women who are able to give birth to their babies easily, otherwise why on earth would so many women have died in childbirth over the years (they couldn’t all have been arranged marriages).”

    You are confounding this with the basic conflict of human biology and that is we are relatively large headed and bipedal where narrow hips provide efficiently for long walks. This is at odds with live birth reproduction. Women died because it was worth the sacrifice; though it is also clear that men were being pulled in the direction of the reproductive compromise; that is, unless you looks at other cultures where subsistence is a problem and women need to work more. Nomads need to walk. In this case, I have little doubt they will die more often or have smaller heads.

    Women under stress actually do tend to balance their hormones to be more man like. Women with more stressful careers are going to tend to be less attractive.

    I always hear how humans are supposed to be recent cutting edge creatures, and given the level of sexual dimorphism from other mammals, is it surprising so surprising that this knife edge exists in the bio-engineering?

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  92. @Jerry, Good work but I’m not sure I would have told her she was incredibly beautiful

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  93. I think both sexes were always seen as expendable, young men in war, young women in childbirth. Once childbirth became safer, women definitely had the easier end of the deal.

    I don’t know anything about hip size, head size & walking.

    I have heard about stress and masculinity, it did not come as news to me in any case. I wonder could it be a mechanism to reduce the likelihood of children being born to women suffering from hardship?

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  94. I’m with dana on this, I don’t care for large bottoms on women.

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  95. of course “large” is a relative term.

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  96. sdaedalus,
    Your theory about women under stress being less attractive to men because they were not in a good position to have a baby makes sense.

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  97. Laura

    What would you define as a large bottom?

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  98. I didn’t really mean anything by it, shapely bottoms are obviously nice. Someone above said that black women have nicer behinds than white women. I have to say often times black women’s behinds are a little too big for me to find them really attractive. Some of them, like Halle Berry, do have very nice figures, though.

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  99. No I was just curious, over here we have a lot of large flat bottoms, spreading with age is not unusual, and that is only on the men. I guess they need to widen to support the famous Irish male belly.

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  100. over here we have a lot of large flat bottoms, spreading with age is not unusual, and that is only on the men

    Just to clarify, I was not suggesting that my own bottom fell into this particular category.

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  101. i bet

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  102. don’t be mean now, firepower.

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  103. Why would people have different shapes for a booty? Fat is an energy store and an insulator. Thus depending on the environment, we are looking at even spreading for insulation like a seal, or a heat dispersing lump of fat like a camel.

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  104. mean? moi?
    NEVER to lasses with glasses

    ….i was agreeing with you

    but, send me a pic to be safe
    and i’ll scribe a ringing endorsement.

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  105. SD,

    Now would be the time that you post pictures of your bottom.

    SW

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  106. No chance, I’m afraid, my ass will have to remain a mystery.

    Btw it would be an equally appropriate time for male readers to post pictures of their bottoms (shots including legs would be very welcome). No one has ever considered that the maxim, a man is never so attractive as when he’s walking away, may simply be because some men look very nice from the rear.

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  107. SD, what do you like in men’s legs? Slender/athletic, massive/muscular, thin and shapely? I’m assuming fat and pudgy isn’t your thing.

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  108. My leg preference (probably linked, in evo-psych terms, to the nomadic origins of the human female) is a moveable feast. Some kind of tan helps, also, it is of assistance if the hair on same has not yet gone gray. But I am really only teasing.

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  109. thats fine if you have a big irish; it usually means you can cook

    you don’t get the famous FSoA though

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  110. I have always thought of this, that i would find pics of people that post here, how i think they look like,,, i have for instance with firepower, a very typical face in front of me of a friend, that is Irish, and then it might turn out Fire is Asian or sth.. not to talk about the others..

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  111. Bic, guess and I’ll tell you where you’re right or wrong. (height/weight/hair/eyes whatever else)

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  112. in the online world, the complication women bring to imagining a face is their gender’s inherent subjugation to their romantic notions.

    once she ‘pictures’ a man as looking like brad pitt, colin ferrel is even a disappointment, and vice versa. This is the reason why (even in the universal burgeoning of the internet age), the internet is an abject failure in bringing the sexes together for love

    they seek to have the man fit their ideal, which is the general rule of feminine attraction, and the foundation of Game: Game is males triggering the trip wires of desire

    I’d hate to be an asian. I’d never get hot asian girls.
    but if i were, i’d be Kim Il-Jong – that guy knows how to party

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  113. I will tell you hoe my SW look.
    Undefined but not brown eyes, more like grayish blue, medium but well built, darkblond hair, tallish, like 1.85-1.90 weight around 80-90 kg. Traditional clothes, no big furry hats or rings in your ear… hmm what else, i see you having quite a prominent jaw not in a bad way at all.

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  114. @sdaedalus

    The problem is sooner or later women like to talk. Some women have even fallen off the stool when my ass started talking. Every time I tried to explain it was a nice intimate face to face, nothing doing…It is nice to know that I have a nice looking ass face though.

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  115. Bic, some good guesses. I am a Midwestern American, so you should know that I wouldn’t understand your international measurements. I don’t want to tamper with your flattering SW vision, but I will say that many women have complimented me on my chin, which I’ve always found odd, and that’s kind of related to the jaw, right? You are also correct that I do not peacock with hats and other accessories other than to wear clothes that fit well. But you are incorrect on the eyes: I am fairly tan for a white guy with brown eyes.

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  116. Firepower

    The only thing big about me is my heart thank you very much.

    PS: I can’t cook.

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  117. SW, i got to work on my internet interpretation a little, brown eyes, hmm

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  118. @Chi Town

    That is good to know, but if I fell off a stool every time I met a man who talked through his ass I would be permanently covered in bruises.

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  119. The wider hip bone is an indicator of a relatively uneventful childbirth, but as someone noted, it may be a matter of ratio, same width but optically may seem narrower when the waist is not as defined. What is actually important is the angle at which the pubic bones join (more obtuse angle is better, acute angle spells trouble) and the girth of the pubic opening which is dependent on the angle. Of course, the opening can’t be too large, or not only the fetus would pass through it prematurely… also the guts may succumb to gravity.

    The angle and girth can’t be usually ascertained when the woman is dressed. When I was young, I went through a batch of model quality (8-9) LTR GFs, but dumped them usually quickly 3-6 months, not knowing why (found usually some reason, though always a bit fuzzy logic). Then I met my first wife (7) and it all became clear to me. Hen I first saw her, she wore tight jeans and the angle of pubic join was so perfect that it drove me insane. I had to have her (sweet 12 years, then she became infected with feminism and that was no-brainer for me). Only later I found an explanation when I looked a bit into human anatomy.

    Put two naked women in front of me, a 7 with an obtuse angle and 9 with an acute angle and my hindbrain drools after the 7.

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  120. @Morsellaux

    That is very interesting. Can you point to pictures that shows the difference between an obtuse and an acute angle in this regard. Geometry unfortunately was never my strong point.

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  121. on August 4, 2010 at 5:27 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’Firepower
    I’d hate to be an asian. I’d never get hot asian girls.
    but if i were, i’d be Kim Il-Jong – that guy knows how to party

    ””””””’

    Shit asian guys got the mack on.
    They marrying hot virgin younger tighter pussy wives.
    All the fucking time.
    he he he

    Seiously like a marriage every other day and even I get a little jealous sometimes.

    My son is gonna get a 10 virgin no prob.

    Asain chicks around here become sluts after the first marriage fails. But other than that staying pure mostly.

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  122. I think larger butts are appealing for the same reason large breasts are, non saggy large butts and boobs are indicators of cute. The larger they are the more likely they are to sag with age, thus if you’ve got large boobs and butt that are firm there is a greater chance that the owner of said boobs and butt is young, vs someone with equally firm boobs and butt that is young.

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  123. Mystery has some interesting insight, but I don’t find him to be attractive. At least, I don’t feel any attraction to him, but can see that he is not unattractive physically.

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  124. Morsellaux, that’s interesting about the hip bone angles. Can you link to some pictures of waists so we can compare our emotional reactions?

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  125. @Kate
    Oh stop being coy, we can tell you want to straddle him 😉

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  126. @Kate
    Do you have your back to the computer screen? Are you playing with your hair??
    *just teasing*
    xx

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  127. All this hate on Mystery’s hat. Don’t you guys realize that’s exactly why it works?

    One of the qualities that attracts women most is a man’s ability to WITHSTAND SOCIAL PRESSURE. The peacocking inspires hostile looks and the occasional nasty comment, giving Mystery instant opportunities to demonstrate his unreactiveness to the displays of lesser alphas. Women’s limbic systems quickly conclude they are in the presence of a greater alpha. That’s how you seduce fast, gentlemen.

    If Mystery’s attire were greeted with universal social approval, he’d have to switch to something that draws more jeers.

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  128. Hahaa, Lily! You’re the reason I checked out his videos on youtube for the first time a few days before this post. I read your comments comparing him to Johnny Depp, and fully expected to be attracted to him but was not. He is definitely an attractive guy, i just don’t feel drawn to him for different reasons.

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  129. Hey, kinda busy, but I try to cobble up something soon, image-wise, regarding the pubic joint angle and the opening parameters.

    But a quickie… Put your hands , elbows & palms together, and spread your palms outward as much as you can. The closer to a straight line they are the more obtuse angle. When you position them at the right angle (90 degrees) and closer, you get an acute angle. Man’s inferior pubic rami are usually 70 degrees, normal for women is 90 to 100 degrees. The closer to 100 degrees, the more attractive the female is for me (it is not the only parameter!, but compensates for a lack of looks to a degree). Of course, I don’t have x-ray vision, but the angle is mirrored outward in inversion, diamond shape-like.

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  130. @Morsellaux

    Welcome. Can you link to photos of what you’re talking about in terms of angle?

    I prefer curves myself. 😉

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  131. Enjoy the 13 worst marriage proposal fail videos:

    http://www.bypassfanpages.com/2010/04/13-worst-marriage-proposal-fails-ever-recorded-you-will-laugh-yourself-limp/

    I know some of these were staged but the link needs to go into anyone’s definition of Beta.

    Of those “hottie” photo links: Maybe its because I’ve been in East Europe for 10 years but absolutely none of those women appeal to me and the 9.9 would be a 3 to me. I need curves.

    By the way, I saw the film “24 Hour Photo” for the first time last night. It starred Robin Williams as a psycho who worked at a 24 Hour Photo shop and started getting obsessed about a happy family (same age couple in their thirties with a baby) that kept having their photos developed there (for younger readers, 10 years ago pictures from cameras had to be developed by professionals from film you previously put in the camera).

    Apparently Robin Williams wanted to be the husband in that family.

    I kept wondering if the producers wanted to say that the evil protagonist was psychotically obsessed with what every man *should* want = being married to an already over the hill woman…because my takeaway from the film was that it was psychotic in and of itself for any man to want that.

    There was a priceless scene at the end when the Beta psycho confronts the husband he wants to kill in a hotel room with a mistress. The Beta psycho cannot process why the husband apparently values the marriage and the wife less than he, the psycho, had assumed. He had been so envious. Now he was being told “what’s there to be envious about”.

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  132. on August 5, 2010 at 5:28 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Morsellaux, yeah, that’s called the “subpubic angle” and they use it to ascertain the sex of humanoid pelvic fossils.

    I don’t get the significance of the hands/elbows thing, though. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like you’re just trying to explain (in a very original way) what an acute vs. obtuse angle looks like?

    Anyway, this is not a real person, but it’s an archetype of how an extremely obtuse angle (100-105 degrees) would manifest on a live woman. When the angle is really wide (and if the girl’s legs are thin enough), you get that shaft of daylight between a woman’s thighs.

    Interestingly, black women have the biggest subpubic angles by far, while E. Asian women have the smallest ones. Morsellaux, do you like black girls?
    (Also interestingly, this is the reason why interracial babies with E. Asian mothers require the most cesarean sections — the asian girls’ hip angle just isn’t wide enough to accommodate a baby with genes from one of the other races)

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  133. That Australian guy in the “negotiated infidelity” LTR (“Sugarbabe” link above) seems like a serious beta in that he agrees to a “no spooning” and “no romance” clause with other women.

    I’m sorry but I don’t negotiate my infidelity.

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  134. Look at the beta commenters at Vox Populi regarding an outrageous story of one of those beta evangelical Christian guys getting falsely accused of child molesting while in a room filled with Christian parents and children:

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/08/downward-spiral.html

    http://www.falselyaccuseddad.com/cps-at-the-front-door/

    After having his life ruined for nothing and his church turning their backs on him, you’d think the guy would be questioning the evangelical church culture in the USA and the American anti-male culture itself.

    But no. He still talks like an evangelical nutcase.

    The story would be in my top 10 reasons for no longer living in the USA: in other countries, your friends will ask you to babysit their children and false accusations are unheard of.

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  135. @Epoxy

    If you scroll down to the bottom of this link you will get the female pelvic types.

    http://www.gfmer.ch/Obstetrics_simplified/anatomy_of_the_female_pelvis.htm

    It would sound like what Morcellaux is talking about is either a gynoid or a platypelloid pelvis (both have wide subpubic angles) rather than an android or anthropoid pelvis which have narrow angles.

    But most women don’t fall exactly into any of these categories, most are a mixture of types so maybe his wife’s pelvis is just a unique biological miracle.

    Not all black women have wide subpubic angles, quite a lot of black women have an anthropoid pelvis which has a narrow angle.

    Btw the shape of the pelvis is often hidden by the fat contours above it, it is often only visible if a woman is quite thin.

    I never thought about skinny jeans as connected to evo-psych but the comments section of this blog never fails to surprise.

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  136. Btw foot size in women is connected to subpubic angle size. A woman who takes a shoe size of 4 or more (UK sizing, I have no idea what the US sizing is) is more likely to have a gynoid pelvis (platypelloid pelvises are very rare). Midwives traditionally ask the woman’s shoe size.

    As shoe size & hand size in women tend to be connected, hands do have some relevance, but I’m dammed if I see where elbows come in.

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  137. SD, were trying to answer your query about angle types. A “handy” tool for visualization, as it were.

    Caucasoid women are usually at 90 degrees +-2 deg (90%). My x-wifey was a bit of an exception with >100 degrees. Also narrow waist and naturally wide hips was nice to look at. And excellent pair of perky C boobs, to wrap it up. She kept her figure until early 40s, then she gained some weight, but not much, not even a borderline obesity. Last time I saw her was 2 years ago and she was in a pretty good shape for a 54 yo.

    Epoxytocin No. 87, “When the angle is really wide (and if the girl’s legs are thin enough), you get that shaft of daylight between a woman’s thighs.”

    Yes, that lovely gap.

    I am not specifically into black women–the facial features aren’t that attractive to me, but if there is enough caucasian admixture that narrows the nose, then happy happy joy joy. Some of these crossbred women are well made indeed, taking in the best of to worlds.

    Jerry, linking piccies… hmmm, nekkid grrls? 😉 Is it allowed?
    I was thinking about tracing some as line art. I’ll do that when I have a bit of time, or find representative pics of some scantily clad wenches. Curves, absofuckinglutely!

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  138. Ah, scantily… here we go… from the waist down, almost a faximile of my x-wifey.

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  139. Given the lower abomen fat distribution, I would actually say that’s a platypelloid pelvis. Only 3% of the population have them.

    Is there a doctor in the house?

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  140. @Jerry
    After having his life ruined for nothing and his church turning their backs on him, you’d think the guy would be questioning the evangelical church culture in the USA and the American anti-male culture itself.

    But no. He still talks like an evangelical nutcase.

    The story would be in my top 10 reasons for no longer living in the USA: in other countries, your friends will ask you to babysit their children and false accusations are unheard of.

    The paranoia re: Males

    Women don’t realize their husbands and sons are now targets for wholesale abuse and denial of civil rights.

    They just don’t see it.

    Why?

    Men are the enemy, right?

    Just don’t have children or help or serve women in any way. They’re destroyed civil society. Let them stew in the black pot they’ve made.

    I really don’t think women realize the disaster that life as a male in the US has become for a huge percentage of men. And worse – they don’t care.

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  141. This is interesting. I have a comment and question. As I begin learning game and understanding the psychology behind it, I am often confused by the behaviour of women.

    There is a girl who I gamed heavily and made some very clear mistakes and it didn’t pan out.

    There has been a series of push-pull. When I neg or make some outreach she’ll respond, then if I escalate, she’ll pull back.

    As of the last couple of weeks, she never acknowledged my recent birthday.

    I’ve just blanked her, not ignore, but not making any inroads, avoidance.

    The other day at a social event she tried making eye contact. Then she came and stood near me.

    We never spoke, but the unspoken part of all this is interesting.

    1) the more I ignore, the more subconsciously her body language suggests some type of outreach. It’s not overt, she doesn’t say “hi”, but trying to make eye contact, standing near me.

    2) when I have in the past made outreach, if I have said hi without gaming her, or negging her, she completely is put off

    3) when I neg her and push-pull, she responds.

    Yet on the whole it goes no where. She loves attention when it’s “asshole”ish, but otherwise it never goes anywhere.

    It’s a kind of game experiment for me but I’ve come to realize while many of these aspects like proximity are true, sometimes, some girls love the attention but don’t want to make any further effort.

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  142. I really don’t think women realize the disaster that life as a male in the US has become for a huge percentage of men. And worse – they don’t care.

    What with the hypergamy and the stealth alimony, the taxes and the high costs of living for rent, vehicle insurance, health insurance, what with the anti-femininity culture, the culture of look-at-me/don’t look at me! girls who will find a remarkable change in your “personality” if you suddenly come into wealth, but before that have no time for you and clique in mysterious crowds of hip people hip for mysterious reasons, what with the culture of men suck and now it our turn misandry isn’t a real word get with the program man hating do my bidding marriage entitlement, now that the obesity virus has escaped from the flea market crowd, now that the government used 9-11 to create a State of paranoia and accelerate their fascist programs and to make the people abide increasingly intrusive laws, now that the war on some drugs is used to terrorize and torture and steal from good citizens, now that homes in a good neighborhood are priced above a quarter million dollars, and homes in a bad neighborhood are a study in depravity, now that a sense of impending crisis rumbles just below the cultural pavement, now that media is in a war of competing propaganda with special interests and corpo-government corruption/collusion battling for social dominance and winning another round against an apathetic and ignorant and increasingly obedient population of TV fed drones…

    Now with that soup of stress and discontent, this is not the best time to be in the US.

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  143. The U.S., a land where feminism and hypergamy are touted as not in conflict.

    If women want to earn equal power but still only fuck the more powerful, then men have no choice but to keep women as a group less powerful than us. No equal pay until women marry and date same wage earning men.

    Women need to be kept down. Let em “free” and empower em and you will soon see the nature of female wiles – they were only used to get stuff from men. So we men need to have more stuff, so that women want something from us.

    Equality is the worst thing about the US, above all.

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  144. SD, nope. She a has a gynoid pelvis with subpubic obtuse ( 100deg) angle. My x-wifey had no problem with delivery and was almost a spitting image of the pictured woman. Maybe what confuses you is that she is slightly leaning forward which posture somehow skews the perspective and fat distribution impression. I can assure you she is a nice piece of god’s work and even if I am not that fond of her hooters that would soon sag to reflect the gravity of gravity, I’d happily f^ck her with a reckless abandon. 😉

    I don’t know how many times I had this conversation:

    “Are you comparing me to your X???”

    “No, just to something that she was granted by sheer luck.”

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  145. @Jonathan … “When I took a Mystery Method workshop in 2002, he told us the number, and I think it was in the high double digits.”

    High double digits? I surpassed that years ago … but then, I’m old than Mystery too.

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  146. […] Citizen Renegade reviews some basic game.  Master the basic before you try advanced material. […]

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  147. A great video and confirms something that I’ve always thought. Game is simply revenge of the nerds. After he knew what a Vic-20 was I suddenly realized he was just a big nerd in a costume. Twenty years ago he might have had a pocket protector.

    Don’t get me wrong. I mean this as a compliment. Only the nerds would have the mental horsepower to observe, absorb and process the data, and then come up with a workable strategy. Man will overcome his environment.

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  148. Just reviewed the video again and he even has a bit of a farmer tan. Nerd!

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  149. xsplat

    Now with that soup of stress and discontent, this is not the best time to be in the US.

    Wrong. This is the best time to be in America. Chaos generates so much more opportunity than 4.99% APY stability, for those who embrace it and have the gifts to ride it.

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  150. on August 6, 2010 at 4:52 am gunslingergregi

    xsplat

    Nice rant.

    yea dude it is funny ain’t it.

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  151. […] Slut In The Whole Slutty World, The Depedestalization Shall Continue Until Morale Improves, Proximity Alerts, What To Say To A Girl Who Asks You A Question You Don’t Want To Answer, Carolyn Hax, […]

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  152. mystery’s dead on with the back to you part. the last 2 girls i dated, this was the case, on the night i approached them.

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  153. gunslingergregi

    Shit asian guys got the mack on.
    They marrying hot virgin younger tighter pussy wives.
    All the fucking time.
    he he he

    gunny, marrying a hot asian girl would be what i consider the perfect Dantean punishment for all my past sins. that, or humping a cheese grater

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  154. I don’t understand how it would be beneficial to her to sit with her back toward the guy she likes. Is he supposed to be attracted to the curve of her spine or something? Seems like she’d want to display her pretty face, tits, etc. I’m not saying Mystery’s wrong, but I’m just trying to figure out how evolutionarily that would work.

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  155. […] Game receptiveness: Medium. Pretenders are interested, but they are going to make you work for their attention. They succumb most easily to perceptive men who call them out on their pretending, and who butter them up with lines such as “I have an intuition about you…”. They are excellent comfort stage candidates. Pretenders are expert at deploying proximity alerts. […]

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  156. […] Game receptiveness: Medium. Pretenders are interested, but they are going to make you work for their attention. They succumb most easily to perceptive men who call them out on their pretending, and who butter them up with lines such as “I have an intuition about you…”. They are excellent comfort stage candidates. Pretenders are expert at deploying proximity alerts. […]

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