Non Sequitur Game

A reader emails:

I’ve found a version of one word game to be highly successful: one-word non-sequitur game.

It’s great for initiating text messages if you don’t really want to be the one to “initiate”.  I discovered this accidentally by typing “yo” and pressing send, but the auto-correct changed it to “up”.  It causes the girl to wonder what you’re typing about.  And even better, she wonders if you were actually texting someone else.

It can’t be a long or uncommon word.  Too implausible.  It has to be a word one would conceivably use in conversation.  Ideally, a one word declarative.

You may only be able to use it once on each girl.

Possibly the perfect choice? “No”

I like it. Non sequitur game is mystery bait. An odd word or fragmented sentence is like an eight ball to her head hamster — the little rodent will snort it right up and spend the next hour spinning frantically trying to figure out what you were saying, or — *squeal with delight* — whether it was meant for another girl.

I’ve done the accidental non sequitur text to girls, and come to think of it they did text back immediately, asking me to clarify. It’s a superbly sneaky tactic to trick a girl to chase you.

Some other truncated non sequitur game examples:

“see you at”

“leaving” (this one will trigger her threat of loss anxiety)

“we’ll see”

“wow!”

“cocka”

A similar version of non sequitur game is reverse eavesdropping game (REG). This is where you send a text to a girl that has nothing to do with her and is clearly not meant for her, thus inducing her to “eavesdrop” on your putatively private conversation. The REG text should be constructed such that it hints at your high value and/or social proof. Something like “bring the chips and i’ll get the booze. it’s gonna be crazy.” Or “hey troublemaker, how are those red heels holding up?”, which is quite devious since you have any number of plausible excuses to explain the text to her — “I meant to text my friend. She stole a pair of shoes yesterday” — but not before she has stewed in her jealousy for a while. The beauty of the REG DHV (aaaand two consecutive acronyms! high five me!) is how effortlessly it slips under your target’s poseur identification alert system. It’s almost as if a third party is communicating your high value to her. Naturally, she will be inclined to text back immediately, and this will mindfuck her into thinking you are a higher value guy than she originally thought.

REG texting is similar to trial texting. Text game really deserves its own book.





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  1. Text game does deserve its own book

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  2. Texting deserves its own book.

    In the absence of a good book on the subject, I keep it short and terse to prevent myself from making mistakes.

    A girl who wrote me off at one point was drawn back in when I accidentally texted her instead of someone else. I don’t remember what I wrote, but it was short and to the point and not terribly specific.
    She started writing back and we exchanged terse messages, then I said, this is dumb, meet me for lunch. We did, and eventually “dated”.

    On the other hand, many carefully plotted messages I’ve sent have produced, … nothing.

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  3. the key to text game is just to remember the jumbotron rule

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  4. i’m def gonna give this a whirl

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  5. Text game has its own book.

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  6. This is brilliant. On the other hand, actually sending a real message to the wrong person could be disastrous, so proceed with caution.

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  7. How’s this for non sequitur text? “Bring the movies”

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  8. on July 30, 2010 at 11:08 am 9, The Editor

    ever true, it sends women into obsessive complusive wondering. then SHE HAS TO ask what, how, if, when, all the omg’s in the world of that one little text of barely a few letters, etc. now that is comedy gold. the lp 999

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  9. @Poly,

    They’re deliberate fake messages. Meaning, they’re calculated like cold cucumbers to tingle.

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  10. It all works on the basic principle: The best way to get a woman’s attention is to have the attention of other (preferably hotter) women. Or to appear to.

    Lesson for guys learning about game: NEVER get bitter about being LJBFed by hot girls. If this happens, take it in stride and use it.

    Nothing like taking a hot friend, being all chummy and close, and then aggressively ignoring another woman. There’s nothing like having a willing wingwoman, or unknowing wingwoman, on your arm.

    One reason never to get bitter. Pussy is fungible.

    Play leapfrog if you have to.

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  11. I remember using an old variation of this back in high school…answering the phone and assuming it was my stalker ex gf.
    “Stacey, can you please stop calling me every 20 minutes? I told you I want to be left alone!”
    “Uhh..this is not Stacey, this is Jen…who the hell is Stacey?”

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  12. I’m a girl and I’ve done this before too!!

    I did-

    “Ok, see you in five ^_^”

    Worked like a charm <3-___-<3

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  13. on July 30, 2010 at 11:16 am greatbooksformen

    text “lotsa cocka”

    wait for the chick to text back ???? in under five minutes

    tex “oop wrng #”

    lozzlollzo

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  14. on July 30, 2010 at 11:19 am The Specimen

    This is fucking gold. I’ll be sure to tuck this one away in my arsenal. Question: What do you do when she asks you to clarify the non sequiter? Just ignore her request and go into something else? A witty half assed shady explanation?

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  15. “R u out”

    after 2 am this = gold

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  16. on July 30, 2010 at 11:29 am Rollo Tomassi

    Best one: “OTW” (on the way)

    Very common quick hit text, plausible deniability, and so much room for filling in the blanks on her part.

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  17. Gorb–

    Lesson for guys learning about game: NEVER get bitter about being LJBFed by hot girls. If this happens, take it in stride and use it.

    Nothing like taking a hot friend, being all chummy and close, and then aggressively ignoring another woman. There’s nothing like having a willing wingwoman, or unknowing wingwoman, on your arm.

    True, true, true.

    The snowball effect is very real.

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  18. silence is golden!

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  19. The Specimen–

    Question: What do you do when she asks you to clarify the non sequiter? Just ignore her request and go into something else? A witty half assed shady explanation?

    Toying with her some is almost always good. Esp. if the relationship is brand new or not really there yet.

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  20. I like just a blank message. Or a ?

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  21. “fei dolla”

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  22. This is so funny, i thought of this, sending a weird text deliberately but felt that would be to psycho or obvious of me to actually do it, regardless if he found or not.

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  23. Perfect word:

    “lozlzloslzlzl”

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  24. let me clarify……’Silence’ is golden–meaning, noooooo answer.

    The ultimate non-answer to these sequitur text. hee! hee!

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  25. bring the lube

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  26. Just tried it right now with a hot girls I have dated during two weeks. It was not official but just like. We spent a week end together at the place she was working and it did not work so well. (She was tired, working all day long while I was sleeping all day long.) I have basically lost the contact with her one week ago.

    (Originally in French)

    Me “‘I’m leaving girl. In two hours we will enjoy mojito in the pool. Marion is taking the food. Your parents are cool and life too”…

    Her “Good for you =)”

    Me “??”

    Her “You sent me a real message talking about mojitos”

    Me “Sorry, not good enough at texting while driving. Hope life is good for you too”

    Her “It is ok, it is ok. Still at [Wonderfull French city]. I working Sunday night. I will soon have finished my work [ie : Summer jobs]. I spend a lot of time shopping. I hope you are doing Ok and you seems to have found someone. Cool for you =). Kiss Kiss [litterraly : bisous bisous]”.

    Worked like a charm. I still don’t know if I should tell her I have no one , be ambiguous or not reply to her.

    Excuse my english and you are a guru.

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  27. A corollary to this technique is hinting at or directly stating that there are a number of women in your phonebook with the same name as the girl who got the “accidental” text.

    Lest you think that this gambit isn’t applicable on super-special-i’m-so-unique women with uncommon, esoteric, or just plain retarded names, the opposite is true. It serves as an entrée to convo a neg:

    “whups, too many Scarletts in my contacts…”

    “wrong makenzie”

    “that was meant for the other Myla, who are you again?”

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  28. and a neg that should read.

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  29. Reduce “bring the movies” down to just “bring” or “movies.”

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  30. Gorb,

    I knew that they were fake messages, I just meant that the usefulness of these carefully chosen fake messages should not cause you to get careless about texting REAL messages to the wrong person.

    Gorb and Doug1,

    Correct about being LJBF’d by hot girls. I was really close friends with a girl in college who was notorious for being both very hot and very picky, and she LJBF’d me but was happy to go on all kinds of Platonic dates with me and study with me a lot, because we really did connect as friends — I didn’t like the frustration, but boy did my rep go up because other people assumed we were romantically involved. (Funnily enough, my wife, whom I met in college, was not impressed that I had dated a hot girl, because she had her own reasons for liking me, but she was very impressed that I could be real friends with girls who weren’t romantically interested in me, because of the self-control and lack of neediness it showed.)

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  31. I accidentally did it to a chick once. I can’t remember her response, but I do remember her doing it back to me – days or weeks later – with something really obviously intended to make me jealous.

    Overall, in most cases I think it’s see-through-able. Or maybe I give girls too much credit.

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  32. Polymath,
    why don’t you have a blog?

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  33. don’t get me wrong i think you have great comments. That is why i asked.

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  34. @DREAM_PUPPY “I’m a girl and I’ve done this before too!!”

    hahaha me too!!

    As a girl I love reading this blog. ❤

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  35. bickie,

    I actually have a blog page that is a placeholder for people to contact me privately

    polymathblogger.wordpress.com

    but I don’t have time to blog right now, especially since I would then be responsible for maintaining cordiality amongst the commenters.

    Thanks for the luv.

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  36. Text game when used right is like a trident sub out in the ocean, steathily moving under the surrface but when employed right it just blows away all conventional forms of resistance from women. They can’t help but wonder what the hell you’re up to, as it gets that hamster wheel in their head moving to warp speed.

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  37. Off topic. A question about qualification:

    As I’ve started seeing through the feminatrix, women have become far more interchangeable for me. While this has helped aspects of my game, it does make the qualification technique harder. I get the feeling some girls can sense that I’m not really into them for any reason other than their looks.

    How do you guys genuinely qualify women? Do you just lie to yourself that every woman has something that makes her special and interesting?

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  38. Send the following to anyone:

    “I know your secret”

    Nuclear paranoia ensues in the target. 😉

    But accidently calling her another girl’s name, when you’re talking to her, makes her crazy too.

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  39. PA. Not to mention, the pleasure is all ours.

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  40. I once called my g/fs dog by the ex’s dogs name. Nuclear paranoia

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  41. You can take REG to another level if you are fluent (or competent) in a second language.

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  42. Awesome. Been a fan of truncated communications for awhile, stuff like ‘we should definitely’ as it creates an unbearable mystery in the female mind.

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  43. My grandma has a bad habit of calling my boyfriend my ex boyfriends name, its not good at all.

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  44. on July 30, 2010 at 1:41 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I’ve been using REG texts for over a year now. These are like little bits of cheese just out of reach of that little hamster. Like many great discoveries, I came across it by accident.

    I like using it in Spanish. It makes her work even harder to figure out the meaning and she pictures me with an exotic woman.

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  45. Damnit. I think I’ve actually fallen for this one.

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  46. :: kicks her hamster in the vagina ::

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  47. Senorita: I ❤ this blog too. More than anything I want sweet beta boys to learn some game so that they can marry my friends and sisters and they can all live happily ever after.

    Hablas espanol?

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  48. @Dream_Puppy Pequito 😉

    p.s. I found your blog too! ((and left a comment)) Very cool.

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  49. Off-topic, but Bristol Palin and her best friend were sharing the same guy. Was it the fact he’s dating the governor’s daughter that made him attractive? Hmm…

    http://www.popcrunch.com/levi-johnston-paternity-scanda/

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  50. Yeah, let’s avoid actually growing our nutsack and developing psychosocial dominance. Psychosocial domination displayed as a complete lack of social tension when interacting with a bitch (thru repetitious mimicry of more successful males), and a swollen, testosterone saturated nutsack resulting from wins at each step of the ladder.

    Let’s instead masterbate the day away dreaming up poseur techniques that won’t activate her poseur radar.

    I love the blog, but posts like this have me rolling my eyes envisioning DOOM nerds typing in IDDQD the first and everytime they boot up.

    Escape, avoidance, behavorial freezing and burrowing all wrapped into one. Barf.

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  51. Puppy. Marriage. Dead. No Dream.

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  52. “R u out”

    I noticed that Chateau/CR doesn’t abbreviate or misspell words in texts. He once wrote something like “real men use proper English.” That sits well with me. It feels idiotic to write like a junior high school girl.

    If you are GBFM-wild you can get away with “oop wrg #” and “lotsa cocka” but if you’re not, avoid junior-highschoolish abbreviations.

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  53. Look, guys,

    The reason this sounds like gimmickry is because it’s all gimmicks.

    If you don’t have the chutzpah or the wherewithal to back it up, it’s meaningless. Yeah, a lot of it is just tricks.

    The trick is to ACT the part, and believe it. If you believe it – and can project this – then these gimmicks are just bread tossed out for birds. Breadcrumbs. There’s no grand secret here.

    So criticizing this kind of thing because it’s just twittering against the sound of waterfalls is – well, beside the point.

    CH is assuming guys who do this shit are game enough to be able to pull it off with or without the trick.

    And: this is where the criticism of game comes in. It’s not just a bag of tricks. It’s an attitude shift. It’s a way of being. Seriously, it sounds Jedi but it’s true.

    Feel the force flowing through you, yes? Hm?

    And the best way not to get caught lying is to be sincere. Really. I mean, the best way to carry it right through and not even suffer a second of guilt is this: mean it.

    And if you’re hurt that someone hasn’t called you back or flaked, … deal with it yourself. Mean it. Don’t Care on purpose. Feel your Not Caring.

    When a woman can look you in the eyes, and say; Do you mean it? Is that true? It’s hard not to either become a sociopath if you lie all the time or not get caught because you trip up. So when you do shit, do it because you mean it and that’s what you intend.

    *That* is the best frame. Don’t be a dipshit. Mean what you say and do.

    And then these little tricks let you fucking punch like you’re a heavyweight up against smurfs.

    Best frame: Believe it. Make it true.

    Don’t just rely on the tricks.

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  54. I started sending one-word texts to girls I was gaming and who I wanted to alert that I was going to a certain location and it would be great if they came along.

    Me: “tomorrow”

    Immediately the chick wrote back with an explanation of whether she would or wouldn’t be there.

    In another case, I texted a chick:

    “salsa, tonite”.

    The girl’s reaction was not so positive. So I wrote back:

    “i’m going, didn’t say you could come”

    This was followed by her reply within seconds rationalizing that she was busy with work but would try etc etc etc.

    I never replied.

    There’s also “non-sequiter reply” game.

    I had dinner and drinks with a girl I was gaming recently. I negged her after she ordered the fish and chips and what appeared was a massive portion.

    She texted me after the date: “Had a great time, so fun”

    Me: “mountain of fish and chips”

    Her… hahaha ….blah blah blah….

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  55. intp said:
    “Puppy. Marriage. Dead. No Dream.”

    I see my husband has found this blog.

    @Senorita: Thanks!!

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  56. on July 30, 2010 at 2:43 pm Chris from Dublin

    ROFL!!

    1000% right.

    I’m a fag but I’ve been using it on a peachy little fella who’s EGO > REALITY and needs deflation.

    Me: Still off the smokes?

    He: Didnt say I was quitting

    Me: Oh. I thought you were sick of folk jeering your shitty breath.

    He: Who the fuck are you?

    **NO REPLY FOR THREE DAYS**

    await nuclear reaction!

    Non-sequiter game x 100000

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  57. Female preselection?

    Just compare the bachelor verse the bachelorette. Men are female competition proxies. What a set up a he has since lining up 25 women makes him valuable by default because they are valuables booties.

    The men are basically “like what ever man, I am on TV.”

    “As a contrast, during the Bachelorette shows when it’s 25 guys in the same house together, you see them laughing and playing pool and drinking beer with one another. You don’t see the cattiness in them like there are with the women. And that’s disappointing to see. There must be a reason for that. ”

    The real misogynists now step forward. The misogynist you once knew, just liked other girls like one who was not fat or American. Now you know better. A real misogynist is a woman who isn’t chosen and is in love.

    “It’s very interesting to see the differences between having 25 women vying for one man and 25 men vying for one woman. From past episodes, we see that a group of women vying for one man’s attention seems to create more tension and drama between the girls. It’s a shame that happens. I wish the girls were able to realize the reality of the situation they’re in and keep things in perspective, but maybe it’s a lot more difficult than it seems. It would be good if they could somehow be nicer to one another without the name calling and the fierce competition. Of course some do, but I guess the show likes to focus on the bad blood between some of the girls for ratings sake.”

    this shit is gold.

    “During past seasons we saw how much friction there usually is in the house where the girls all live. One girl is accusing another of “not being there for the right reasons” and you hear one girl calling another one a
    slut behind her back. Lots of derogatory things are being said. Inevitably one girl will be isolated from the others, usually because the Bachelor paid more attention to her,”

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1710813/a_discussion_about_the_bachelor_vs_pg2.html?cat=39

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  58. I accidentally texted the wrong girl last week, “I like the tan lines but its sexy that youre layin out naked.” At first I thought I’d F’d up big with the girl I sent it to, but of course not. She’s all over me more than ever. Accidental DHV = $$$.

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  59. Titty fucking….love it or hate it. An oldie but goodie from the rosy archives

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  60. chi-town said: “It’s very interesting to see the differences between having 25 women vying for one man and 25 men vying for one woman. From past episodes, we see that a group of women vying for one man’s attention seems to create more tension and drama between the girls. It’s a shame that happens. I wish the girls were able to realize the reality of the situation they’re in and keep things in perspective, but maybe it’s a lot more difficult than it seems. It would be good if they could somehow be nicer to one another without the name calling and the fierce competition. Of course some do, but I guess the show likes to focus on the bad blood between some of the girls for ratings sake.”

    I have often wondered this too. How can they be so illogical and act like cunty irrational fools in front of the camera? By being a bit more nonchalant and friendly to their cast mates they could come off so much better.

    My theory is that every woman thinks she is a unique and special snowflake. And goddamn anyone who tries to prove her wrong. Especially some skank.

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  61. on July 30, 2010 at 3:01 pm Chris from Dublin

    UPDATE!!!

    He keeps getting back to me!

    PMSL!

    Does this game work or what?

    Men (breeder and fag) unite!!

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  62. I don’t know – it sounds like a good trick in the right circumstances, but it could really backfire, given the wrong girl or time (if I did this to my lady, I’d get a machete in the gonads).

    All these tricks that Citizen describes are pretty impressive, but I’d say you’d need a bit of practice before you know when they can be applied. Otherwise, it could get pretty ugly: I told a friend of mine about negging, and he didn’t quite get the concept, so now he approaches girls in bars and verbally abuses them: He thinks he’s demonstrating higher value, and in a strange way, he is.

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  63. on July 30, 2010 at 3:02 pm greatbooksformen

    text her

    “lolz”

    haha

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  64. @DREAM_PUPPY

    “she is a unique and special snowflake”

    That really hit me at some point. I would figure I am a 20 to 1 shot. I also don’t run for my fishing pole when I see one fish jump. In other forums I have also discovered the way to a woman’s wrath is to make a “generalization”. Well golly do Italians like fish & chips? They “aren’t like that”. There is no shred of logic or probability. I think perhaps the historical game of romance was so lopsided in the man’s favor that logic had to be sacrificed. The brain chemistry that allows her to think about the bowling ball she needs to birth with a high chance of death cannot be allowed.

    What the hell did nature do to these poor things?

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  65. Gonna try it right now

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  66. The 25 men in a room together know they are not only competing with each other based on looks. To attract women, men create value through their actions, whether it be through life status, personality, sense of humor and game (even if they’ve never heard of game.) Factor in that most of the guys on the show are more or less good looking anyway, so looks just cancels itself out.

    It’s hard to really care or remember the other guys status outside the show so they don’t really give a shit and feel an immediate and direct hostility or competition. Eventually, alpha males will stand out and separate themselves from the pack, and the betas will feel jealousy, but as a man he has learned to bury it and not embarrass himself. Men like to pretend nothing bothers them. It’s part of being a man and impressing women.

    Get 25 women in a room competing for a man, however, and forget it. Women know how important her looks and overall physical presentation are, and having 24 other women in the general vicinity creates immediate hostility and resentment because you can see with your own eyes who has the nicer ass, better boobs, silky hair, better taste in clothes. This is a constant assault on a womens ego, and since they have a poor handle on their emotions, cat fights ensue. The passive aggressive hate is hilarious to see.

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  67. my boy was starting to see this girl. 2nd time after they hang out, she texts him later in the night out of nowhere – ‘luv you too.’ hmm..

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  68. “butthex?”

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  69. on July 30, 2010 at 4:41 pm Trimegistus

    “still sore?”

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  70. i just tried REG and it worked great. about lunchtime i sent:

    “we re going to (name of restaurant)”

    five minutes later i followed up with:

    “oh wrong (her name)”

    she immediately responded:

    “it’s ok :)”

    me: “hey, you want to go out for drinks this week?”

    her: “sure. when?”

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  71. twitter game is on the horizon, and approaching.

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  72. on July 30, 2010 at 5:21 pm Chris from Dublin

    The trick is to avoid being too stalkerish.

    Succeed, and the prey returns infinitely.

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  73. on July 30, 2010 at 5:32 pm The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking

    FPC or Fake Pocket Call Game: While out chatting up one girl, pocket call another.

    Nuclear FPC Game: Pocket call the hotter, younger sister of a chick you’re fucking in a Taco Bell bathroom.

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  74. How about a combo? Use “it’s complicated” as non sequitur?

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  75. @552 twitter game hahahaha YES!!!

    Speaking of which I think you can make a girl pretty jealous through facebook. If you comment on a picture of pretty girl and let that sit in your news feed other girls WILL notice. Why? Because if a girl is into you she will stalk your facebook page like there is no tomorrow.

    As a girl, believe me. This would definitely irk me.

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  76. p.s. If you were a boy reading this blog how would you react if you found out your girlfriend had been reading this blog too? Curious to hear your responses

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  77. ““R u out”

    after 2 am this = gold”

    that could backfire and just seem like you are drunk texting. also proves that after 2 am you are still alone and hunting. you’d have to know that girl already wants you badly in which case it’s a straightforward booty call.

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  78. Hi Maurice!

    C’était très agréable pour vous rencontrer. Je serai hors ce soir à Lima si vous êtes hors…

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  79. i guess twitter game would go something like this (read from bottom up, just like twitter):

    what the hell? why not make it a party? don’t forget to bring the movies and lube

    it’s going to be difficult to choose among you now.

    hold on, girls. i’m getting way too many replies. i only meant it for one of you.

    if you think it might have been meant for you, reply (privately, of course)

    but now i forgot who i meant to send it to. i’m so bad with names.

    didn’t mean to tweet that, everybody. thought i was sending a private message.

    bring the movies and lube.

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  80. @Cap’n Bob
    I told a friend of mine about negging, and he didn’t quite get the concept, so now he approaches girls in bars and verbally abuses them: He thinks he’s demonstrating higher value, and in a strange way, he is.

    That is so Irish it is beyond belief. No Latin man (or even a part-Irish part-Latin man) would ever do this.

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  81. I’m drunk. Would I fuck anouk or not? Prob, but only if she took it in the ass. If she did- I might marry her though.

    My fam brews beer in bk.

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  82. Sdaedalus,

    Yep, that’s how our compatriots tend to operate. We tend to be either alphas or omegas.

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  83. Lol fake texts, guys are swapping tips on doing girl game. Just ask the nearest 15 yr old girl. This thread is the funniest I’ve read on here, the pinnacle of seduction indeed…

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  84. on July 30, 2010 at 8:55 pm Trimegistus

    I guess it’s an indicator of how frickin’ old I am, but I’ve never texted any woman. It seems so . . . half-assed. Like you can’t even be bothered to call.

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  85. “I guess it’s an indicator of how frickin’ old I am, but I’ve never texted any woman. It seems so . . . half-assed. Like you can’t even be bothered to call.”

    the fact it seems half-assed is kinda the point.

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  86. on July 30, 2010 at 9:15 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Send this:
    “Sounds like fun. I’ll be there in about an hour.”

    It tells her you are having a good time without her.

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  87. on July 30, 2010 at 9:53 pm Chris from Dublin

    @Cap’n Bob

    you Irish?

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  88. “Lol fake texts, guys are swapping tips on doing girl game. Just ask the nearest 15 yr old girl. ”

    if i knew any 15 yr old girls i would.

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  89. This is fucking gold. I’ll be sure to tuck this one away in my arsenal. Question: What do you do when she asks you to clarify the non sequiter? Just ignore her request and go into something else? A witty half assed shady explanation?

    Tell her “it’s complicated, and bring the movies.”

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  90. ” If you were a boy reading this blog how would you react if you found out your girlfriend had been reading this blog too? Curious to hear your responses”

    Cristina, is that you?

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  91. on July 31, 2010 at 12:25 am Badger Nation

    Check out this newscaster who goes beta in the face of a hot woman:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1298937/Mad-Mens-Christina-Hendricks-leaves-news-anchor-speechless-bathtime-story.html

    “As McFayden’s female co-anchors took over the interview, the 33-year-old remained suspiciously quiet and when it finally came for him to speak, he found himself struggling to get the words out.

    After one of his co-hosts mentioned the male and female response to Hendricks’ famous curves, MacFayden said: ‘I was just gonna say that… I wasn’t gonna be like, “Oh, I’m hitting on you,” but you’ve got an amazing body.’

    After she accused him of flirting with the previous guest, he continued: ‘I’m saying you’re a beautiful woman and I would like… the bath… the way you made… I mean, I’m stumbling on my words… what I’m trying to say, is you were drawing a bath, you’re making a bath for yourself and I was just thinking… wow, that’s just awesome.’

    Hendricks left him further embarrassed when she said: ‘That was two conversations ago, but thank you for remembering.’

    When one of his female co-hosts jumped in and asked her if she felt a lot of pressure being a sex symbol, he interjected: ‘That was what I was trying to say.’

    Last week, Hendricks’s presence on another TV show got a female presenter all flustered.

    Alexandra Wentworth, who was a guest host on The View (the U.S. version of Loose Women), sidled up next to married Hendricks and told her she was her ‘girl crush’.”

    I gotta agree with him though. 36DDD-24-36. There’s your 0.7 ratio right there. Party on.

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  92. on July 31, 2010 at 12:27 am Cave Man Text

    *Br*

    or

    Send picture of movie.

    Made mistake of giving woman my womans number and she texted about 800 times in a week.

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  93. on July 31, 2010 at 12:33 am gunslingergregi

    So really how do you guys deal with like 5000 texts coming in?

    Cause if I was carrying a phone and was recieving texts how the fuck would I seriously do anything else?

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  94. PA “I noticed that Chateau/CR doesn’t abbreviate or misspell words in texts. He once wrote something like “real men use proper English.” That sits well with me. It feels idiotic to write like a junior high school girl.”

    Ha yeah that’s as bad as if a guy is talking in a voice that rises at the end, like everything he’s saying is a yes no question. Or saying “like” all the time.

    Boys, words are like clothes. We can wear your t shirts and shorts, and also our girly and slutty outfits, and we can look good either way. But god forbid you wear anything other than *men’s* clothes. Same with words, we can use girly messed up grammar or really high minded scholarly talk and can be cute either way, but you’re stuck with proper written English.
    Guess it’s part of the cross you boys bear hmm.

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  95. on July 31, 2010 at 6:47 am Vincent Ignatius

    Boys, words are like clothes. We can wear your t shirts and shorts, and also our girly and slutty outfits, and we can look good either way. But god forbid you wear anything other than *men’s* clothes. Same with words, we can use girly messed up grammar or really high minded scholarly talk and can be cute either way, but you’re stuck with proper written English.

    No, you can’t. Wearing shorts and tshirts, you look like slobs who don’t care about their appearance. Wearing slutty outfits, you look like sluts. Only girly outfits look good on you.
    As far as words go, excessive use of chat grammar and slang makes you look the same way tshirts and shorts do. It’s not cute. It’s not endearing. Consider that a man with a 3 digit IQ would never want to bring home to his family, a girl who would make a fool of herself in that way.

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  96. Chris, Sdaedalus,

    Looks like we’re the Micks here. Interesting to see how game is a global phenomenon.

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  97. I think we Irish are interested in human interaction & like analyzing it, we are very aware of other people, so it makes sense that we would be interested in how Game works, even if in my case, as a woman, I won’t be negging or qualifying in practice.

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  98. “even if in my case, as a woman, I won’t be negging or qualifying in practice.”

    Sdaedalus, just don’t spread the word: that this Game stuff really works.

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  99. My discussions of Game are confined to the Interwebz.

    Otherwise, my lips are sealed (though some tips on how to manage men would be a nice price for my silence).

    I think very intensive tuition would be necessary for Irishmen to learn Game in any event. As you say, a lot more of them than in other countries are naturally either Alphas (who don’t need Game) or Omegas. This phenomenon of women being surrounded by willing Betas just doesn’t happen to the same extent in Ireland.

    Also, any Irish Game manual would have to have a large section dealing with Drunk Game.

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  100. Good morning Vincent, lol i see you got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

    “No, you can’t. Wearing shorts and tshirts, you look like slobs who don’t care about their appearance. Wearing slutty outfits, you look like sluts. Only girly outfits look good on you.”
    –> Not sure exactly how you mean this.
    If you’re saying that you don’t like when we wear *inappropriate* clothes, as in you wouldn’t want us to show up at your mama’s place in a slutty club outfit, then, yeah of course, hello! lol
    On the other hand, you might also be saying that you would want your woman to *always* wear non-slutty girly outfits. If you’re saying that… I’m sorry, from the bottom of my heart really I am.

    Vincent, I’m not sure how sexy are the women you’ve been dating, but women who *are* sexy want to *feel* sexy. If we have a daring sexuality we want to release, we’re also going to want to dress up like “sluts” from time to time. What I’m saying is, yeah you can find a girl who likes to wear pretty conservative girly outfits *all* the time, but, don’t expect that same girl to turn into an animal in the boudoir. If you want a girl who’ll go all out in the bedroom, you better like her by your side dressed like a slut on occasion, too, what’s the point of having a sexy body if we’re never going to show it off?

    Oh, and I don’t think you noticed, I said *your* shorts and t-shirts. You wouldn’t find it endearing if you woke up and found your hot little woman making breakfast in one of your old t-shirts?

    “As far as words go, excessive use of chat grammar and slang makes you look the same way tshirts and shorts do. It’s not cute. It’s not endearing. Consider that a man with a 3 digit IQ would never want to bring home to his family, a girl who would make a fool of herself in that way”
    –> How much is “excessive?”
    We women are a lot better at adapting our behavior to fit the situation than you’re giving us credit for. Some of us are “sluts” but can play the good girl for ten or fifteen years straight, I don’t really think we’ll have a problem speaking in complete sentences when we have to win over the mother in law hmm lol

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  101. Anyone would behave the same with Christina Hendricks

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  102. on July 31, 2010 at 8:43 am Badger Nation

    Jesus Aubrey, seven paragraphs to respond to Vincent’s assertion that women should dress and write like adults?

    Vincent is right. You know how women are always looking for little signs a man isn’t right for them? Well guys do it too. Wearing silly (i.e. slutty) outfits, or wearing sweatsuits in public, or using a lot of abbreviated words like “r u coming ovr lol” could be somebody lacking either intelligence, social graces, maturity or the patience to type extra letters. Not somebody a decent man wants to bring home to his parents.

    “We women are a lot better at adapting our behavior to fit the situation than you’re giving us credit for. Some of us are “sluts” but can play the good girl for ten or fifteen years straight, I don’t really think we’ll have a problem speaking in complete sentences when we have to win over the mother in law hmm lol”

    Well, that’s why there’s a marriage strike – this bait-and-switch most often happens, and is most damaging, when a chick totally changes after saying “I do.” Girls go crazy slamming game as dishonest but think nothing of flip-flopping their Madonna and whore sides at will.

    Men generally thrive on a sense of consistency in their world and don’t want to date a woman who is eight different people depending on who’s watching. This is the driving instinct of the greater beta, to rise above a threshold of stability and security. A polite lady who is a freak in the sack is about the most variability a typical man can deal with.

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  103. on July 31, 2010 at 8:47 am Badger Nation

    “If you want a girl who’ll go all out in the bedroom, you better like her by your side dressed like a slut on occasion, too, what’s the point of having a sexy body if we’re never going to show it off?”

    If you are “spoken for” in an LTR you have no business wearing slutty outfits in anybody’s presence but his. If a woman is not for sale, she shouldn’t advertise.

    Inviting all that attention is just asking for trouble. Another reason, BTW, why guys shouldn’t date women who go out to clubs while they are in an LTR.

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  104. Badger
    “Well, that’s why there’s a marriage strike – this bait-and-switch most often happens, and is most damaging, when a chick totally changes after saying “I do.” Girls go crazy slamming game as dishonest but think nothing of flip-flopping their Madonna and whore sides at will.”
    –> Badger, if women change after marriage it’s not like we do it all by ourselves. Remember that we want you to lead the relationship, deep in our hearts we really do, we *want* you to lead the relationship. We’ll usually give you sooooo many tries to do it before we give up, and even then those among us who were raised right won’t give up unless there’s some terrible wrong going on.
    What I’m saying is, *you* have to keep bringing the sexual excitement after marriage, and we’ll respond to you. You can’t have it both ways, where you want to have a male led relationship but you expect us women to bring all the sexual heat, that isn’t how it works.
    The way it works is this, sex and economics are separate. In terms of economics, if you’re the breadwinner we’ll take care of the home, if you’re less of a breadwinner then we’ll pick up the slack. But it’s just not right to expect us to be hot in the bedroom in exchange for beta provision. If you want hot after marriage, physical and in the bedroom, then *you* need to bring the hot too, by putting us in our place from time to time. You can’t make up for that by being a better beta, the alpha and beta parts are separate. You want ’em both, madonna in public and slut in private. Well guess what, so do we, we want gentleman in public and opressor in the bedroom.

    “Men generally thrive on a sense of consistency in their world and don’t want to date a woman who is eight different people depending on who’s watching”
    –> Women generally thrive on occasional inconsistency in their world and don’t want to date a man who is one person, the same all the time no matter who’s watching.
    Meet us in the middle, hmm?

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  105. audrey

    pure female solipsism in action

    to MEN “the point of having a sexy body” is to show it off to YOUR man…not OTHER men.

    men who want you to dress slutty in public don’t care about you, only about showing you off and will absolutely cheat on you constantly–as of course you will on him as you contine to advertise your sexual market availability while allegedly taken. this is the recipe for drama, fights, breakups and misery. HARMONIOUS relationships don’t invite poison into their midst

    a woman who only feels sexy when OTHER men are ogling her is a pump and dump worthy attention whore at best

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  106. Badger “If you are “spoken for” in an LTR you have no business wearing slutty outfits in anybody’s presence but his. If a woman is not for sale, she shouldn’t advertise.”

    Badger the ironic thing is, the worst sluts aren’t usually the ones who dress the sluttiest. Next time you go out to a club or bar why don’t you take notes on the clothing on the women, and then notice who actually gets picked up that night. You’d be surprised, most of the sluttiest looking girls are just there to bask in the attention, and have no intention of slutting it up with any of the men there (sorry boys)

    My man likes to buy me short dresses, tall heels, and other stuff that’s much more daring than I would buy for myself, and take me for “special” nights out on the town together. We both like the attention I get, lol and I never leave his side the whole night. We both win.
    Badger, there’s a lot of power in being the type of man who can take his woman out dressed “slutty” and let her bask in all that extra attention, and never worry a bit that she’ll leave his side, because she’s *his* woman.
    See, what you’re not realizing is this: If you don’t ever want us to go out and feel publicly sexy, then *we* start *feeling* like being sexy is off limits in our relationship, and then bad consequences happen in the relationship. You can rationalize this all you want, but sorry, it’s feelings and that’s that. On the other hand if you take us out and show us off then A) we get to feel even sexier and B) **we get used to thinking of ourselves as all yours, even when other men are giving us attention**. You take that forbidden fruit and let us taste it without damaging the relationship.
    Not to mention the fireworks in the bedroom when we get back home. Mmmm lol

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  107. Dana,
    “men who want you to dress slutty in public don’t care about you, only about showing you off and will absolutely cheat on you constantly–as of course you will on him as you contine to advertise your sexual market availability while allegedly taken.”

    Dana I can see why you’re saying what you’re saying, but it’s not true all the time. Some of us just got a little too much of those damn sex hormones. lol

    I guess it might have something to do with socialization and your own personal history too. I’m used to showing off my body, I’ve been a promotional model and a dancer (not a stripper lol) and I like being looked at. I need a man who likes when I’m the center of attention but I’m still totally *his*, luckily I got one of those.
    I think it’s girls who’ve never really gotten that kind of attention that you need to worry about, here.

    I also think it’s the same for guys, too. Some guys are just flirtier than others, and can flirt with other women all the time and still have it be perfectly innocent, while others wouldn’t flirt with other women *at all* unless they were about to go nuts with the cheating instinct. Whether we have to watch them really close depends on which one they are.
    Same with us, if we’re not normally attention seekers and we suddenly want to dress all slutty you’d better watch out haha

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  108. Audrey,
    When I was younger I remember getting more compliments from men when I dressed more femininely rather than trying too hard to be sexy. Also, how does a girl go all out in the bedroom? I’ve never had to work too hard at it.

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  109. on July 31, 2010 at 9:45 am Badger Nation

    Chitown,

    That Bachelor/Bachelorette article is funny shit.

    Funniest part of that article:

    A good example of how the men handle it versus the women was on the last Bachelorette show with Deanna Pappas. One afternoon she put on her best and cutest outdoor barbecue outfit with short shorts and sashayed down to the house where the guys were grilling burgers and playing volleyball. A strange thing occurred. Deanna felt neglected. The guys were all having fun and didn’t fawn all over her as she had anticipated. After about twenty minutes of being treated as if she was just one of the guys instead of the golden prize, Deanna had enough. She stood up and while shedding a few tears, she told the men how insensitive they were and how none of them paid attention to her like she deserved. She turned around in a huff and walked back to the house. The guys all sheepishly looked at one another, shrugged their shoulders and went back to business as usual.

    She wandered into a guy’s afternoon and wondered why she didn’t get any attention!

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  110. Laura “When I was younger I remember getting more compliments from men when I dressed more femininely rather than trying too hard to be sexy”

    –> Well yeah of course. When I’m dressed conservatively I get more verbal compliments too, but when I’m dressed more sexy I get more non verbal “compliments”. Of course guys aren’t going to give me too many verbal compliments if I were to dress more sexy, many of them would be too intimidated. And some of the others would apparently feel like Badger and Vincent and wouldn’t want to compliment me even if they liked my look. lol

    Let’s make this more clear since I may not have communicated it effectively the first time: I don’t dress really slutty unless I’m out with my man, who encourages that side of me to the great benefit of both of us. When I’m with him, and when I feel secure because of the strength of his presence, I actually enjoy men’s leering and lustful staring at me. What can I say, I like being a sex object, sorry feminists haha. I’m just smart enough not to dress like a total sex object unless I’m not going to be asking for trouble (= I’m with my man, who’s a *Man* with a capital M)

    “Also, how does a girl go all out in the bedroom? I’ve never had to work too hard at it”
    –> What you *have* to do and what you *can* do are two very different things. Again, this may be another case of some of us got too many helpings of sex hormones. lol

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  111. Non sequitur game sounds good, but I’m not too sure about REG. She’ll probably see through it. How many of us have ever actually texted a wrong person by mistake, even when drunk?

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  112. REG works better with instant messages when chatting on the computer.

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  113. Okay. Getting really dolled up once in a while is fun, especially if your man appreciates it. I was talking more about day to day attire.

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  114. Audrey

    I think the problem is that a lot of men here, influenced by the blogowner’s particular preferences, fall into what one sphere blogger has called the Fourth Quadrant or at least think they do.

    You need to have a look at johnny5/narciso’s website, it explains the Quadrant approach. I think you would be happier with a First Quadrant man or at least one who admits he falls into the First Quadrant, who specifically wants a woman who dresses slutty in public (I don’t mean this in a pejorative sense btw) & might even direct her to do so.

    The relevant post is here (it is well worth everyone’s while reading it):-

    http://hvren.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/coordinated-efforts/

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  115. on July 31, 2010 at 10:35 am Badger Nation

    Daedalus,

    I read that post and I couldn’t find any description of what these fucking quadrants are. Can you enlighten me in six sentences or less?

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  116. on July 31, 2010 at 11:00 am Badger Nation

    More from that Bachelor/Bachelorette article:

    To be fair, the group of 25 guys do something similar as well, by trying to be the one to stand out for their Bachelorette. But they seem to be more laid back and subtle about it. I think that type of behavior says a
    lot about how differently men and women approach dating and the love game. Men appear to be able to compartmentalize their feelings when it comes to relationships. They seem to have that switch somewhere in their genetic makeup that enables them to keep their emotions in check, but then make them appear when they want to. I think it comes especially easy in a setting such as The Bachelorette show. The men know they just met this woman and may not like her as much once the cameras stop rolling at the end of the season.

    That “switch” is called “getting shit done.” Men have been expected for all of history to be able to shut up about some discordant, dramatic event and get things done. Women? Well they somehow get a pass if they are too “emotionally distraught” to focus on the task at hand.

    To be fair to the girls though, we’ve all grown up on fairy tales and imagining one day that our prince will come. Even the modern young girls today seem to have that hope somewhere in the back of their minds. You see beautiful young twentysomething and thirtysomething, accomplished and smart young women go on these shows, and even they seem to fall easily under the spell of the fantasy.

    Even modern young girls? ESPECIALLY modern young girls, who have been taught to want it all – equality in the boardroom and chivalry in the bedroom.

    They’re living in a beautiful mansion, wearing pretty dresses, and going on fun and/or romantic dates in some exotic place. They convince themselves that they really are in love with The Bachelor and that they, and only them, have that special bond with him. It’s sad really to see how many women collectively have their hearts broken on every season. Their ride home in the limo after being rejected is always a tearful and upsetting journey. They started out being a strong woman, but got caught up in the magic, and somehow believed there was going to be a fairy tale ending for them.

    Mmm hmm. More of this “Ghosts of Girlfriends Past” double standard. Guys are supposed to feel bad about “breaking a girl’s heart,” yet an attractive woman will reject hundreds if not thousands of men in her prime and that’s just part of the deal.

    Are we really supposed to feel sorry for a bunch of gold-diggers who were stupid enough to go on a reality TV show and pretend they might meet the love of their life there?

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  117. @Badger Nation
    If you are “spoken for” in an LTR you have no business wearing slutty outfits in anybody’s presence but his. If a woman is not for sale, she shouldn’t advertise.

    Inviting all that attention is just asking for trouble. Another reason, BTW, why guys shouldn’t date women who go out to clubs while they are in an LTR.

    The point is, women aren’t supposed to behave sexually like men: feminism has equalized all this, and men dislike it. There’s a double standard, and like it or lump it, men don’t want their women prancing around being slutty for the rest of the world.

    Yes, it’s a clear double-standard. But feminism taught women they should be like men, and that this was fine; and men are saying, no way.

    Yes, it’s a double standard. Yes, it’s judgmental. So what?

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  118. @Audrey
    Dana I can see why you’re saying what you’re saying, but it’s not true all the time. Some of us just got a little too much of those damn sex hormones. lol

    I guess it might have something to do with socialization and your own personal history too. I’m used to showing off my body, I’ve been a promotional model and a dancer (not a stripper lol) and I like being looked at. I need a man who likes when I’m the center of attention but I’m still totally *his*, luckily I got one of those.
    I think it’s girls who’ve never really gotten that kind of attention that you need to worry about, here.

    I also think it’s the same for guys, too. Some guys are just flirtier than others, and can flirt with other women all the time and still have it be perfectly innocent, while others wouldn’t flirt with other women *at all* unless they were about to go nuts with the cheating instinct. Whether we have to watch them really close depends on which one they are.
    Same with us, if we’re not normally attention seekers and we suddenly want to dress all slutty you’d better watch out haha

    Dana, I can concede this point. Myself, I like sluttier women; I like women with more active and aggressive sexualities. Which means looking more sexual in public.

    But most men are freaked out by this. And their own double-standard, while unfair, is also usually non-negotiable. And women should be able to accept this. It’s the male jealousy thing. It’s similar – but not the same as – female jealousy.

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  119. @audrey

    “If we have a daring sexuality we want to release, we’re also going to want to dress up like “sluts” from time to time. What I’m saying is, yeah you can find a girl who likes to wear pretty conservative girly outfits *all* the time, but, don’t expect that same girl to turn into an animal in the boudoir.”

    i’ve noticed no correlation between a girl dressing like a slut and fucking like an animal. i’ve gone out with repressed ultra-conservative muslim girls who wanted to fuck all day every day.

    dressing like a slut simply shows you have bad taste. it doesn’t make you look hotter, just makes you look bargain priced to reduce inventory quickly.

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  120. on July 31, 2010 at 12:40 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Audrey
    Let’s make this more clear since I may not have communicated it effectively the first time: I don’t dress really slutty unless I’m out with my man, who encourages that side of me to the great benefit of both of us. When I’m with him, and when I feel secure because of the strength of his presence, I actually enjoy men’s leering and lustful staring at me. What can I say, I like being a sex object, sorry feminists haha. I’m just smart enough not to dress like a total sex object unless I’m not going to be asking for trouble (= I’m with my man, who’s a *Man* with a capital M)””””””””

    Audrey you are breaking it the fuck down.
    You think like my wife.
    When she goes out without me she bundles up lol no skin showing.
    I don’t think she does feel comfortable being out and about in the dresses I got her unless she is out and about with me. I wouldn’t say really slutty though but yea slightly low cut dresses on the chestal region maybe down to knee to show off the calves in heels but yea hot. And yea it does pump up my ego a bit to know that we get treated special because we own. Then yea everywhere we go people remember us for freaking years. It is actually a phenomena.
    Like when we go back to a place after not being there for years peoples eyes light up and they are happy to see us. he he he

    ”””””Well guess what, so do we, we want gentleman in public and opressor in the bedroom.””””””’

    ownage.

    ””””’I think it’s girls who’ve never really gotten that kind of attention that you need to worry about, here.”””””

    ownage

    ”””””’Well yeah of course. When I’m dressed conservatively I get more verbal compliments too, but when I’m dressed more sexy I get more non verbal “compliments”. ”””””’

    ownage

    ””””–> What you *have* to do and what you *can* do are two very different things. Again, this may be another case of some of us got too many helpings of sex hormones. lol”””””

    ownage

    ””””’Badger, there’s a lot of power in being the type of man who can take his woman out dressed “slutty” and let her bask in all that extra attention, and never worry a bit that she’ll leave his side, because she’s *his* woman.”””

    ownage

    ””””’gunslingergregi
    So really how do you guys deal with like 5000 texts coming in?

    Cause if I was carrying a phone and was recieving texts how the fuck would I seriously do anything else?
    ””””””””””

    ””””””’on July 31, 2010 at 4:20 am Audrey
    PA “I noticed that Chateau/CR doesn’t abbreviate or misspell words in texts. He once wrote something like “real men use proper English.” That sits well with me. It feels idiotic to write like a junior high school girl.”

    Ha yeah that’s as bad as if a guy is talking in a voice that rises at the end, like everything he’s saying is a yes no question. Or saying “like” all the time.
    ”””””””

    Audrey you negged me who the fuck are you lol
    Audrey has actually thought about all this stuff pretty unusual.

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  121. on July 31, 2010 at 1:05 pm gunslingergregi

    Think of goodfellas and a guy who can do behind the scenes work in order to get shit done. But not doing illegal shit though.

    A guy who can set up a memory and his woman doesn’t need to know what he did she just enjoys results.

    Or a guy who when he is told their are no tables has them get one from the back.

    A guy who can get them to bring out a 2 pound chunk of prime rib.

    A guy who can grab the biggest lobster out of the tank with his own hand.

    A guy who isn’t afraid to speak up and get what the couple wants.

    A guy who knows how to make some horrible sad event that could have happened in life and is able to turn it into a lasting joyfull memory for the whole family.

    A guy who makes her feel special because crazy shit always happens to them and he always comes out on top

    A guy who wants to experience everything life has to offer and takes his woman along for the ride.

    Just making even a normal occassion into more of a memory with a little bit of pizzaz or flash. A guy who can entertain and do some crazy shit sometimes without fear.

    A guy who when a taxi is trying to take them to some out of the way place and is not listening and the guys spidy senses indicate something is wrong will break out the primal tools and fucking break out the motherfuckin man and strike fear into the heart of the other dude so he does listen.

    A guy who when shit is really about to go down for life or death has the mutherfuckin balls to not be afraid therefore he also strikes fear into the hearts of other men and they back the fuck down. Either way he willing to fight to death.

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  122. Regarding the quadrant system, it’s not a bad analogy, a rough attempt anyway to understand psychosexual dynamics.

    Audrey is simply being honest; she doesn’t want beta provision. She wants what every woman wants: alpha provision.

    The only caveat is that in all likelihood Audrey is a beta female. I think its very important to remember this fact: like attracts like. An alpha male seeks an alpha female for an LTR. All other women merely belong to his harem.

    Regarding the quadrants. My former harem had two women that were total opposites. One was shy, demure and chaste. I always thought she would be a good wife and mother. The other had a bod like Christina Hendricks. Men would stop and stare at her. However, I am certain she wouldn’t know a thing about being a wife or mother. In fact, I am certain she would be a total failure. I made sure they never knew about each other.

    So what I glean from the quadrant system is that I stand on the vertex, and poach from all four quadrants. The one woman with the Christina Hendricks bod, she had hand when the relationship began, but I gained hand as time went by. With the shy girl I always had hand.

    For *most* women I would say an even dose of slut and madonna and you will be fine. Balance is the key.

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  123. “Balance is the key.”

    Amplitutde is key.

    More sexy sensual. More exhibitionist. More loving. More submissive. More orgasmic.

    All you have to do is be more than her.

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  124. on July 31, 2010 at 2:05 pm namae nanka

    Well yeah of course. When I’m dressed conservatively I get more verbal compliments too, but when I’m dressed more sexy I get more non verbal “compliments”.
    Of course guys aren’t going to give me too many verbal compliments if I were to dress more sexy, many of them would be too intimidated.

    haha yeah right.

    And some of the others would apparently feel like Badger and Vincent and wouldn’t want to compliment me even if they liked my look. lol

    well, no one goes to a brothel to compliment women.

    When I’m with him, and when I feel secure because of the strength of his presence, I actually enjoy men’s leering and lustful staring at me. What can I say, I like being a sex object, sorry feminists haha.

    most women would like being a sex object, but by the right kind of man. quantity over quality doesn’t look good on a woman.
    and your will doens’t matter, a woman is a sexual object anyway, the paucity of clothes only reflects her own competence at being one.
    then there is something special about a woman who can arouse a man’s lust without dropping her clothes. lost art i say.

    Well guess what, so do we, we want gentleman in public and opressor in the bedroom.

    really? your sex drive is that low?

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  125. I think a lot of men would find that if they would ejaculate less and last longer in bed and learn to ride higher sexual highs without coming they’d raise their overal interal energy levels on and off the bed, and be more charismatic and charming and perma horny to boot.

    Who hasn’t felt all the love and interest drain out of them after coming? What if you could keep your batteries at least partially charged, and learn to charge em up higher than ever. More voltage and amperage?

    Men are energetically illiterate, by and large, and have no idea that they can’t fuck, and how deeply it affects their lives.

    Masturbators especially are clueless. They get too drained even to sarge.

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  126. Audrey, as any long term readers of my comments here will already be tired of hearing, over and over and over, I share your attitude towards dressing like a little slut for your guy. I think it’s not only hot, but essentially romantic. Exhibitionist bad boy bad girl counter culture fuck the world romantic.

    Good on you.

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  127. i don’t buy the private/public sexual inhibition consistency theory. nor can i make heads or tails of that “quadrant system”.

    there are plenty of women who dress like sluts who are sexually inhibited and vice versa.

    the dichotomy of private/public psychology is at the root of why nice guys don’t give girls gina tingles.

    very few women want to have sex on the sidewalk in mid-day in full view of polite society. we know this because otherwise there would be a lot of guys fucking girls on the sidewalk right now.

    so part of the point in not seeming like a “nice guy” is that even if you take a girl to a dark bar and have some almost-alone time with her, if you come off as a nice guy who may as well be at church or in a business meeting it will seem as if the eyes of polite society are still staring officiously down upon her. she’s as inhibited to taking her clothes off in front of those eyes as she would be in taking them off on the sidewalk.

    clothing is a costume. revealing clothing is still clothing.
    clothing indicates little about a woman’s sex drive or how inhibited she will be in bed. in the bedroom, the psychology changes from day into night.

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  128. That video of Christina Hendricks and the newscaster is ridiculous! I can’t believe something so benign would fluster a man so badly. It’s not like she was describing being sudsy and wet, she just mentioned she was running bath water when she got the phone call about her award! Maybe he was just trying to make a joke that went wrong and that’s why he got so flustered.

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  129. on July 31, 2010 at 3:35 pm Alpha Scholar

    Twice as many women as men have genital herpes. This could only happen if a smaller group of infected men is giving the gift of their infectious love to a larger group of women. Looks like female hypergamy is conclusively proved.

    Wrong. Male–>fem transmission is very likely about twice as efficient as vice versa.

    But female hypergamy, yes.

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  130. I can’t believe a bunch of bright lads like you are having so much problem with the quadrant system.

    J5 initially summarised it in a comment on my blog. I will see if I can cut & paste it here.

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  131. on July 31, 2010 at 3:53 pm gunslingergregi

    I am watching the movie

    VALLHALLA RISING

    good example of caveman game the dude doesn’t speak at all.

    This movie is ownage so far. Dam.

    I mean this motherfing movie is pure insane.

    Must see.

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  132. Xsplat,

    Amplitude, indeed. It’s amazing the importance of words. Much depends on one’s position within the coordinate system, and the size of the amplitude. What I like about the quadrant analogy is that all people (men and women) can make a reasonable guess as to there whereabouts within the coordinate system. It’s rough, but its not entirely without merit.

    Kate,

    I don’t think he was genuinely flustered; it was a bit forced. Don’t forget these programs need a talking point to sell. In this case it was ‘the flustered news guy’.

    If anything good can be taken away from this, I hope it is that women are reminded that they don’t have to be as skinny as Calista Flockhart to be sexy. This whole uber skinniness craze is overboard. Moreover, Hendricks is 35, and she is still smoking.

    SD,

    I think it’s fair to assume most people are unfamiliar with mathematics and/or physics. Most people run from these subjects. Unless one has an idea of the x/y axis conceptually, they’ll be lost.

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  133. Hi guys

    Quadrantism in four sentences (not including this one).

    Imagine an x-y coordinate system, dividing a sphere into four quadrants: the x-axis is the man’s ability to control the woman (negative end=no control to positive end=absolute control); the y-axis is the madonna/whore axis (negative=total madonna to positive=total whore).

    negative x = men who allow the woman to control the relationship (aka betas)
    positive x = men with both the desire and the ability to control women (aka alphas)
    negative y = men who want perfect madonnas
    positive y = men who want perfect sluts

    Result = 4 quadrants

    According to the Cartesian system
    Quadrant 1= positive x, positive y (alpha who prefers sluts) – J5 self-identifies as a member of this
    Quadrant 2= positive x, negative y (beta who prefers sluts) – hi David Alexander!
    Quadrant 3= negative x, negative y (beta who prefers madonnas)
    Quadrant 4=positive x, negative y (alpha who prefers madonnas).

    Which one are you?

    [Editor: This doesn’t work because the whole point of a dichotomy is that it exists inside each and every man. As evolutionary science predicts, men like sluts for easy lays but prefer madonnas when they want to invest more in the woman maritally or within an LTR. So it is in women’s interest should they want to secure commitment from a quality man to keep her partner count low and to restrict slutty dressing to the bedroom.]

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  134. “I think it’s fair to assume most people are unfamiliar with mathematics and/or physics. Most people run from these subjects. Unless one has an idea of the x/y axis conceptually, they’ll be lost.”

    It’s difficult to keep in mind how ignorant/innumerate the bulk of people are, however I’d have thought that most (male) posters here would know what an x/y axis is. Even for an old coot like me, high school wasn’t that long ago.

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  135. Again, you can skip over the first bit if you like and just identify whether or not you are a beta or an alpha and whether or not you prefer sluts or madonnas.

    The X Y axes are essentially sliding scales though, so you may end up in one quadrant but quite close to the other.

    A diagram would be great if anyone wanted to do it.

    Here is a picture of a Cartesian quadrant

    There is a complicating factor though and that is a lot of men may like the idea of being in one quadrant but actually be in another (and I’m not talking about the alpha/beta distinction here, but the question of preferring whores or sluts).

    In fact j5 has a theory that the more PUA experience a guy has the more he inevitably ends up being pushed into the First Quadrant, even if he was really in the Third Quadrant to begin with. In other words, a move from the Third Quadrant to the Fourth Quadrant to the First Quadrant is not impossible. However a lot of these guys still think they are in the Fourth Quadrant even though they are not. I will refer to this later when you have all quadranalysed yourselves.

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  136. Mr Editor

    It is touching that you replied personally to “which one are you”, just to say though, that I wouldn’t dream of asking you to quadranalyze yourself on your own blog, that would be disrespectful, my comment was directed to the commenters who had asked me about Quadranalysis.

    This is a typical Fourth Quadranter response however, the confidence of the alpha combined with a preference for madonnas for LTRS. It accords completely with the rest of your blog.

    I think “preference” as far as J5 was concerned was preference for LTRS, possibly at the very extreme negative end of the Y axis a man cannot bring himself to sleep with sluts under any circumstances but we all know that this is not the case with most men, or even most Fourth Quadranters. Remember it is a sliding scale.

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  137. Corrected for you, SD

    Quadrant 1= positive x, positive y (alpha who prefers sluts) – J5 self-identifies as a member of this
    Quadrant 2= negative x, positive y (beta who prefers sluts) – hi David Alexander!
    Quadrant 3= negative x, negative y (beta who prefers madonnas)
    Quadrant 4=positive x, negative y (alpha who prefers madonnas).

    but if you were to count the quadrants clockwise, from upper left, it should be:

    Quadrant 1= negative x, positive y (beta who prefers sluts) – hi David Alexander!
    Quadrant 2= positive x, positive y (alpha who prefers sluts) – J5 self-identifies as a member of this
    Quadrant 3=positive x, negative y (alpha who prefers madonnas).
    Quadrant 4= negative x, negative y (beta who prefers madonnas)

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  138. SD,

    I’m not too sure what you’re looking for here. It seems simple. Men are turned on by very sexy women, but are also aware that a very sexy woman will exercise all her options, and may not be wise to consider her a long term relationship.

    Is there more to this that I’m not getting?

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  139. Xsplat

    My impression is that in a Cartesian quadrant the quadrants are actually numbered anti-clockwise, which would make your correction incorrect.

    However you sound like you know what you are talking about, my geometry is not great and I am acting as J5s amanuensis in his absence (without his permission I might add, oh dear) so I will consider and revert.

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  140. Tim “Is there more to this that I’m not getting?”

    Yes, and surprisingly, most people also seem to not get it.

    It isn’t the absolute sexyness of the girl that is the issue. Its not just her estradiol levels. Its how wrapped around your little finger she is, and how invested you are in security, compared against how sexy she is.

    All I ever here on this blog is risk attenuation, risk reduction, risk management, as if there were not other factors that are more important to alter.

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  141. I’ve checked this up and the Cartesian system is always numbered counterclockwise which would make me right to begin with, Xsplat.

    If you scroll down to the end here it sets it out quite clearly.

    http://www.mathsisfun.com/data/cartesian-coordinates.html

    I did particularly say it was a Cartesian quadrant to avoid any confusion in this regard (I specifically checked this with J5 in the course of our initial discussions).

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  142. In fairness, Xsplat, if Tim is right in the middle between the various quadrants, particularly right in the middle on the Yaxis, then by definition he’s probably not going to get it.

    The closer you are to either extreme the more likely you are to get it, J5 for instance describes himself as practically falling off the edge of the First Quadrant into the abyss.

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  143. SD, it turns out the standard isn’t clockwise or counterclockwise.

    Apparently it’s
    1 2
    3 4

    which makes

    Quadrant 1= negative x, positive y (beta who prefers sluts) – hi David Alexander!
    Quadrant 2= positive x, positive y (alpha who prefers sluts) – J5 self-identifies as a member of this
    Quadrant 3= negative x, negative y (beta who prefers madonnas)
    Quadrant 4=positive x, negative y (alpha who prefers madonnas).

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  144. Aw shit.

    I think we need j5 back on here to sort this out.

    It’s probably best if I just cut and paste his original comment (God, I am a lousy amanuensis, even Sarah Palin probably knows more Trig than I do)

    Can’t we just keep his terminology even if mathematically incorrect?

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  145. I see you came across a different quadrant numbering system. Cartesian, huh? Mine was the Standard Anal. Pulled out of my ass as usual.

    That and some google image searches.

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  146. SD,

    I think we all know the quadrants run counterclockwise. I believe Xsplat wrote that so others might understand in a more simplified way.

    Xsplat,

    This is interesting; so you are saying that risk is too much a factor in man’s decision making? Well, to be clear, if marriage is off the table, then there is no risk of anything. It seems to me that only if marriage were a consideration would risk also be a factor. However, if we’re talking about women who are partners or girlfriends, then yes, risk is not a factor.

    Or are you talking about something else?

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  147. A Cartesian Quadrant, as shown on the links I posted, is definitely

    21
    34

    Why do you say it is different? Is the website mathsforfun wrong? I’ve been relying on it for years to hide my mathlexia.

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  148. Ok Xsplat, I see you’re going to run with the original j5 numbering after all.

    That’s a relief.

    What quadrant would you put yourself in?

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  149. on July 31, 2010 at 5:09 pm namae nanka

    hahaha maths is sure tricky but mathematical notations seem to be trickier still

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  150. There is always risk when you get emotionally involved with someone. Marriage and kids and money or not. Only sociopaths don’t put something on the line.

    I’m saying that the willingness to lose, no matter what the loss is, is a controllable part of the equation. The willingness to say fuck the what and take risks. Changing that in oneself, changes what are acceptable input parameters.

    I’m also saying that the control over the woman has a greater impact over her propensities than is even remotely acknowledged here on this game board. Where you’d think the notion would be obvious.

    Put the two together, and a girls high estradiol levels and sex drive can be counterbalanced, and would be practical to do so, IF your values were for a high sex drive high estradiol woman over the opposite.

    That people refuse to take the hint that high sex drive is associated with behaviors is a horses blinker obvious to me, but not them.

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  151. “I think it’s fair to assume most people are unfamiliar with mathematics and/or physics. Most people run from these subjects. Unless one has an idea of the x/y axis conceptually, they’ll be lost.”

    my academic background is math. i get the simple-minded concept. it’s the theory that’s lame.

    what the quadrant theory proves is this: chicks love talk about pseudo-psychology but hate talk about real psychology.

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  152. So give us some real psychology then AHA, I am not being sarky here, I would actually like to hear your views.

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  153. Daedelus, why do you ask? I’m nearly a lone voice in my opinion on the matter. j5 and Gorb mention some similar tendencies, but no one is more vocal about this issue than me. Vocal to the point of repetitive tedium, I’d think.

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  154. I would agree with what you say about control & propensities, Xsplat, subject to the qualification that most of the time women are actually capable of controlling themselves…if they really want to.

    The fact that most women won’t admit that they can take responsibility for their own behavior, and blame the man or indeed anyone else or indeed things like low self-esteem for this, confuses matters, I agree, but the fact of the matter is that human beings (even women) do have the ability to control their actions. Low and all as is the opinion that the owner of this blog has of women, I think he does in fairness recognise this (as shown by his comment above).

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  155. on July 31, 2010 at 5:17 pm namae nanka

    how about looking at a tan curve between pi/2 and -pi/2

    see madonna goes to infinity and then come crashing(hoisted by petard) back to slut’s negative infinity.

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  156. SD, women are plastic. In one mans hot hands they melt, in another they are frigid and brittle.

    No, women are not responsible. Men are.

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  157. Xsplat

    Yes, I would indeed have put you into the First Quadrant (extreme right hand range – I think Gorby is slightly nearer the centre of the First Quadrant) but I thought it would be presumptuous of me to do it without giving you an opportunity to do so yourself first.

    As a self-admitted First Quadranter & therefore with no axe to grind in the matter, what do you think of the theory that a lot of men like the idea of being with a madonna in theory but in fact need women who are publicly slutty to get turned on to any great extent (First Quadranters self-identifying as Fourth Quadranters)

    J5 had a really interesting post on this where he identifies PUA success as something which stretches a man’s elastic to the extent that he can only be turned on in the long-term by public sluts.

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  158. Nice to see gunny get his socks knocked off for once.

    SD, I don’t find the quadrant system useful, but J5’s sliders are brilliant.

    Audrey, I appreciate that it’s very different depending on whether you’re out with or without your man. I am always trying to get my wife to dress more sexily (not sluttily at all, just in ways that flatter her) but she’ll only do it if I’m around. This year I was finally able to persuade her to get a two-piece swimsuit that showed what a great figure she had, to wear at our local swim club, and now she’s even willing to wear it there without me around because she’s got more confidence about how she looks, and has started secretly ordering sexy lingerie to surprise me with. But it took a lot of years before she was comfortable with this. On the other hand, some women just naturally like to look sexy at all times, and it doesn’t necessarily signify any greater likelihood to cheat, it is just the way they feel about themselves.

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  159. on July 31, 2010 at 5:23 pm gunslingergregi

    The problem with being in a quadrant is that it doesn’t allow for someone who fits no quadrant. Just like the intp or whatever. If you don’t fit into one neat little package then again failure. Everyone wants people to fit into little boxes so that nobody is a free man or has individuality. I found out I was an individual when the psychologist couldn’t label me with a box even after taking her tests. I think she may have had a tingle.

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  160. Xsplat

    I think we are talking at cross purposes a little.

    I don’t actually disagree with your comment re melting & freezing above.

    I agree that women don’t have that much control over whether or not they are sexually attracted to a man or not (their sexual response) but (except when dealing with the most extremely and overwhelmingly attractive men, who, frankly, are not that common in practice, otherwise I owuld not be blogging on a Saturday night) they definitely do have a choice as to whether or not they act on it.

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  161. Gunny

    I’m not really a fan of putting people into little boxes myself e.g. classifying women as madonnas/whores, and if someone comes near the middle of either axis there may not be a box that they can be put into. But if you view the axes as a sliding scale it can be helpful.

    It’s really just a generalisation, meant to underline the fact that some men, not necessarily betas either, just find public sluts far more attractive than women who are not publicly slutty, it is the public sluttitude that turns them on.

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  162. Namae Nanka

    I agree with you about the tan curve and I think we’d already had a chat about this on my blog, but it might be a bit advanced and/or close to home for a lot of the people here.

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  163. I have very little insight into other men’s motivations, SD. Another subject I’m nearly the only one posting on is that there is a genetic basis to morality, and that conservative folks have genes that give rise to an innate feeling for purity and authority.

    I couldn’t possibly understand those morals and feelings. I wasn’t born with them. I have no empathetic understanding of much of what is said on the subject by men here.

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  164. on July 31, 2010 at 5:34 pm namae nanka

    gunslingergregi

    “The problem with being in a quadrant is that it doesn’t allow for someone who fits no quadrant”

    actually the axes are painted on top of a hemisphere, so that the forces of gravity and the friction of social constraints and values, just about balance one another for most people.
    The movement can be slow on its own or if given a life-changing incident can throw a man from one quadrant to the other in much shorter time.

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  165. Xsplat

    One final question to conclude my analysis of First Quadrant men for the moment (hi Gorbachev)

    Do you prefer a ready-made public slut or, like Johnny5, do you prefer to build your own?

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  166. AHE “very few women want to have sex on the sidewalk in mid-day in full view of polite society. we know this because otherwise there would be a lot of guys fucking girls on the sidewalk right now.”

    AHE I think you’re wrong here, I think most of us would want to with the right man. And I think it’s a safe bet to think that all of us at least fantasize about that sort of thing. The difference is that we would only act on those fantasies with a man who we trust, unlike you guys we wouldn’t just act out the urges (or even have them in the first place) with some random guy even if he was really hot.

    In fact I think it’s a safe bet that more of us women would want to do that stuff (public sex etc) than you guys would, actually it’s mostly mens lack of action, and not knowing how to build the right kind of sexual tension, that limits it. Meaning, most of you guys approach sexuality like someone who just walks into a store and pays sticker price. “Wow that price is high,” and you never even think about pushing the deal or negotiating a bit. Same with your woman, she’s going to be more than willing to “negotiate” especially in a loving relationship with lots of trust, but you have to be the one to take the initiative. hmm

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  167. Yes, you can talk about elastic, SD. Or you can talk about values. I like a girl with similar values. Threesomes, riske behaviour, risk taking, fun, hugely and constantly erotic, overwhelmed by love and lust into the bone marrow and out all over the room. I’m a fire guy, and love fire women. Others bore me. No matter how sweet and stable.

    I know what keeps my interest.

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  168. Sounds like you go for ready-made then.

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  169. Audrey

    In fact I think it’s a safe bet that more of us women would want to do that stuff (public sex etc) than you guys would, actually it’s mostly mens lack of action, and not knowing how to build the right kind of sexual tension, that limits it.

    I’ve had public sex with most of the girls I’ve dated. Yes, even in the middle of the road. And I never had to push.

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  170. Nope, SD, I go for women who are ready to be made.

    Most girls I’ve dated have never been sexually woken up. Did you know that most men can barely fuck?

    It’s a tragedy out there.

    But yeah, if she’s had better than I’ll ever be, that can work just fine also.

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  171. Yes, but if you had a choice between a ready-made one, honed to perfection, and one that was ready to be made, but would require work, which would you go for?

    With j5 the fun is in the creation, but this may not be the case for all First Quadranters (in fact, I am sure it is not, I would like to have an example of someone for each).

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  172. Look, SD, I’ve heard stories from exes about handsome young guys who could pump for hours. But it didn’t do it.

    Most men are completely energetically clueless. Totally underappreciative of internal nuances or the nuances of their lover.

    That doesn’t work. It doesn’t make a woman come. You’ve got to love the little bitch. Dominate and own and enjoy and have fun with and meld with in ecstatic reverential communion.

    That makes a girl come.

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  173. I don’t really care, one way or the other, SD. It’s lovely to be a woman’s first, but no matter what she’s had before, I’ll be first at some things. Guaranteed. Yes, it’s arrogant, but there is simply no one like me.

    I’m a special little snowflake.

    No, really, chemistry is always unique.

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  174. Xsplat, I think we’re wandering off topic here.

    If the commenters on this thread get distracted into considering female sexual response, no one will ever reply to my quadrant theory, which is all about male sexual response.

    I know about the former, but not the latter.

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  175. Ya, I gotta admit then that this quadrant system isn’t working for me. However, it could be improved upon. I consider myself a beta who prefers women to have a mixture of both sexy and madonna. (I don’t like the word slut)

    If a woman can send an amplitude which crosses the x axis in equal measure both above and below said axis, then I am most intrigued. In other words, a combination of both is preferred.

    Likewise, I have also heard many women say they prefer a beta man with alpha potential.

    In other words, these traits (whore/madonna)(alpha/beta) are within every woman and man respectively.

    Perhaps the question should be not which quadrant do you belong in, but how far above or below the x axis does your amplitude fall?

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  176. on July 31, 2010 at 5:51 pm namae nanka

    xsplat

    “I have very little insight into other men’s motivations, SD. Another subject I’m nearly the only one posting on is that there is a genetic basis to morality, and that conservative folks have genes that give rise to an innate feeling for purity and authority.”

    morality is just man’s quest for perfection turned towards human relations.
    and there has to be some genetic component for proclivity towards immorality.

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  177. Ok, thanks very much for quadranalyzing yourself so comprehensively, Xsplat, I really appreciate it.

    Maybe some more people would like to quadranalyze themselves?

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  178. Tim

    The whore thing in the quadrant system is public whore, or public sluttiness, it does not really bear that much of a relationship to what someone is like in private.

    A First Quadranter needs not just a slut, but a public slut, to be turned on.

    A Fourth Quadranter (particularly moving towards the centre of the YAxis) may well like or need a slut too, but doesn’t find the public element a turn-on in the same way a First Quadranter does and may even find it a turn-off.

    At the very extreme positive end of the YAxis a First Quadranter can only ever be really turned on by public sluts (although a vertical integrator like J5 may be prepared to take on someone who doesn’t satisfy this definition with a view to moulding them into his preference).

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  179. on July 31, 2010 at 5:59 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’polymath
    Nice to see gunny get his socks knocked off for once.
    ””””’
    lol
    course I need reciprocation for the socks to actually come off
    he he he

    ””””On the other hand, some women just naturally like to look sexy at all times, and it doesn’t necessarily signify any greater likelihood to cheat, it is just the way they feel about themselves.””””

    I don’t know about that but maybe depends what the woman has internalized.

    My wife internalized that she knows men want to fuck her but that she doesn’t want to fuck them so her covering up is an indicator that she is not just full of shit but also living it by not teasing them when apart from me. While looking good while with me just reflects on me and of course I like staring at her ass in a nice dress or her tits in a lower cut.

    Course she really really knows how much the pussy worth he he he

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  180. NN, you seem to have missed my point. Everyone does. Always goes in one ear and out the other. There is scientific evidence that humans are roughly divided into to camps, genetically, and that one camp has two extra morals that the other does not.

    Does the group who lacks these two have immorality regaring purity and authority? Or does the group who have them have insane unneeded views?

    The genetic basis for morality doesn’t point to either morality or immorality, but only to specific strategies. Life strategies for optimizing success.

    People are incapable of hearing this message. Not one person on this blog has ever made any noise that they have heard and understood this.

    There must be some MAJOR cognitive dissonance barriers to this fact.

    Everyone is stuck in their personal morality play. The only lense to the universe they own.

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  181. The difficulty with saying public sexiness rather than public sluttiness is that everyone knows what slutty dressing looks like whereas what one person calls sexy another person may not (for example, a Fourth/Second Quadranter may prefer demure sexiness whereas a First/Third Quadranter may require all out sluttiness)

    So I would prefer to keep the sluttiness term (I would emphasise that I am not using this in a pejorative way at all, it is entirely a decision for an individual woman & her partner whether or not her cha-cha should be on full display).

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  182. on July 31, 2010 at 6:05 pm namae nanka

    xsplat

    “NN, you seem to have missed my point. Everyone does.”

    my bad for not putting the immorality down as “immorality” before.

    “There is scientific evidence that humans are roughly divided into to camps, genetically, and that one camp has two extra morals that the other does not.”

    any links?

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  183. “J5 had a really interesting post on this where he identifies PUA success as something which stretches a man’s elastic to the extent that he can only be turned on in the long-term by public sluts.”

    that would be the classic definition of a male masochist. j5 lives in world where he projects his own psychology on everyone else.

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  184. NN, google “genetic basis for morality” A little googlefu will bring up all sorts of links. I have a few on my blog to some, somewhere or other. I reference these studies enough that I should make a link to related posts at the top of my blog. But the simple google search should be enough for anyone truly interested.

    It’s like big words used in conversation. If the person is interested in understanding you, they’ll take the 22 seconds to do a dictionary search. This is an important subject, but only to people for whom it’s important.

    Shockingly few.

    People are careless, really.

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  185. AHE

    You and Default need to get together and have a bitching session about j5, but you are not going to do it on my watch. I love his blog, I agree there is an element of projection but when called out on it he always admits it.

    As you yourself dislike the whole PUA thing, how could you possibly know whether or not he is correct anyway? The only person who could say that would be an experienced PUA with a high level of self awareness (unless you yourself have more experience of PUA than you have led us to believe?)

    Other commenters, (hi again, Xsplat) what do you think about the elastic stretching thing – is an attraction to sluts inherent in a man or does it increase the more experience he has of them?

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  186. on July 31, 2010 at 6:14 pm namae nanka

    “A little googlefu will bring up all sorts of links.”

    yeah I know but it also throws up a lot of shit. I think I have bookmarked something from your blog, will check it out.

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  187. AHE

    And btw your own favorite writer Milan Kundera said
    something very similar to J5. I will look for the exact quote.

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  188. I don’t really see the elastic thing, exactly, SD. I have a predisposition for risk taking and romance. Put any girl near me who is into me, and pretty soon we’ll be taking romantic risks together, and sexual risks. The elastic will stretch. And if it doesn’t, I’m not into her. For long.

    But whether she starts out a virgin or not, I really don’t care. It’s what happens between us, the spark, the free flow, that matters. No blow in a taxi? Not the girl for me. Unless there is major life spark jumping between our lips and fingers, why bother?

    It’s not really about elastic. Girls who’ve been around the block can still have incredible fire. As can virgins.

    It’s the attitude.

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  189. blow job in a taxi.

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  190. No, the bit I was referring to was where he talked about the male elastic being stretched too by involvement with public sluts, once you’ve had one (or ten, or 100, the number differs for different men) you can never go back sort of thing, no woman who isn’t a public slut can do the same thing for you.

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  191. Ya, I don’t know about that. Because, as I’ve said, I’ve had public sex with MOST of my girlfriends.

    Any girl I’m into or remain into is going to have her elastic stretched. Doesn’t matter to me where we start the process. It’s the process itself that’s the fun.

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  192. on July 31, 2010 at 6:26 pm Sally Cinnamon

    xsplat

    That people refuse to take the hint that high sex drive is associated with behaviors is a horses blinker obvious to me, but not them.

    What behaviours?
    Again for the terminally blinkered. Please.

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  193. All you men want to talk about is your sexual experiences, you have no interest in abstract metaphysical discussion.

    All I’m asking is: was your preference for public sluttery innate or acquired. Then I will have finished my quadranalysis of you and can move on to a new victim.

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  194. I’m glad you introduced the notion of vertical integrator which I do vaguely recall from reading j5’s post. A vertical integrator is someone who excels at one thing. Is this correct? A horizontal integrator being someone who dabbles in many things. I don’t know of this is correct or not. If this is correct, then I am a beta horizontal integrator.

    I also recall vasafaxa saying once that she wondered were it not in her best interest to slut it up a bit; in other words assume a more aggressive posture, but once an attractive male is seduced, then possibly toning it down a little, if needed or desired.

    I can say that I see nothing wrong at all with a woman using all the weapons in her arsenal. In Canada as in the USA (and I thought everywhere) women are doing just that.

    This is difficult for me, because we’re not talking about marriage here, are we? I mean not even eventual marriage. If we’re discussing partners, gf’s, cohabitation, etc then really, as far as I am concerned, a woman has all right…no, she should be slutting it up as much as she can.

    The madonna, or pure woman is a social construct, and it resides within the cultural context of marriage. The slut is human society’s default position; it is not a social construct; it is omnipresent.

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  195. SD, I’ve answered you, but you just don’t like my answer. I don’t have a preference for public sluttery. I create public sluttery out of the woman I have a preference for.

    I like women. All sorts of women. Women closer to my innate temperment that I was born with – I like them better.

    Sorry if that’s not the cut and dried answer you want, but I don’t know why you want the answer you are looking for anyway.

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  196. Xsplat
    No, no you do me an injustice, I have no problem at all with your answer, I am delighted you took the trouble to reply & I am not trying to cross-examine or catch you out, honestly.

    I actually find First Quadrant men easier to deal with than those who don’t know what they want.

    I was just trying to see if the j5 elastic stretching thing could have applied with you e.g. you acquired a taste for sluts through experience of them. Genuinely. I actually forgot to ask j5 whether or not this was the case with him too but I suspect in his case the preference was innate.

    It would seem from your discussion with NN on purity/morality that the preference is innate too but I just wanted it confirmed.

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  197. I see you’ve confirmed it’s innate.

    Thanks for all your help on this & I will leave you alone now.

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  198. on July 31, 2010 at 6:39 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’on July 31, 2010 at 5:59 pm xsplat
    NN, you seem to have missed my point. Everyone does. Always goes in one ear and out the other. There is scientific evidence that humans are roughly divided into to camps, genetically, and that one camp has two extra morals that the other does not.
    ””””””””

    Yea ok I will say that yea my life strategy is diferent. I have always dreamed in multiple woman for sex.

    I used to dream about automated fucking of hos

    Put them bitches ass up on an assembly line.

    Then pull lever for next.

    I could be happy with just half the worlds population of woman to myself if the other half were dead.

    he he he

    But sometimes as an adult we must find compromises.

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  199. Tim,

    That it was for entertainment value certainly makes a more sense. It would be a cross to bear for the person who could gets turned around at the mention of running water.

    I agree, Christina Hendricks is a great example of maintaining youth and beauty over the age of 25. I think the very fact that she isn’t Flockhart skinny keeps her looking younger than other Hollywood types. She also looks like she takes excellent care of her fair skin — two things that will keep women looking vibrant longer.

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  200. You want me to confirm if my preference for sluts is innate or not. I’m trying to explain that my preference is not exactly for sluts. It is for high estradiol hyper feminine hyper sexual romantic women who can be completely sexually and romantically enslaved.

    Such women tend to be sluts, by virtue of their tendencies. Whether they are sluts YET or not, I don’t really care.

    They could be virgin, or slut. I don’t care. It’s the attitude and body and sex style that I have chemistry with.

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  201. It’s more a question of whether your preference for public sex & slutty dressing in public is innate or not, but I’m 99.9% certain it is (this is not pejorative in any way btw, just based on a reading of what you have written above and elsewhere).

    I don’t think we can use you as an example of J5’s theory on how men’s preferences in women can be changed by PUA experience, but maybe there’ll be someone else out there who fits the theory.

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  202. Daed, I’m not sure why you don’t seem to be able to hear me.

    I dress my girls up as sluts.

    I don’t care if they dressed up as sluts before I met them.

    You keep asking me if my preference for them dressing slutty is innate, and I keep telling you that I don’t EXACTLY have that preference.

    The preference is not for a girl who already dresses up slutty. It’s for the type of girl who would. OR already does. The KIND of girl. Not the kind of clothes.

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  203. Ok, fair enough, I think I’ve got it now. Sorry for being a pest.

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  204. Daed, you can see in a girl, whether she is virgin or has had 100 partners, whether dressed in jeans and sweatshirt, or a halter and micro mini with no panties, how much sexual heat she has, and how far much risk she wants.

    It’s the KIND of girl, not the history, not the clothes.

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  205. Xsplat
    got it thanks. well, you are definitely a First Quadranter anyway. but we both knew that already.

    Where on god’s green earth are all the Third/Fourth Quadranters?

    And is there anyone (other than David Alexander) who will admit to being a Second Quadranter?

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  206. There are so many mitigating influences which directly impact the quadrant theory.

    I believe j5 said he is of latin ancestry. Perhaps hispanic men differ vastly from caucasian men? I’m not being racist, just blunt.

    How old are the men in question? A 50 yr old man is different than a 40 yr old man, and a 40 yr old man is different than a 30 yr old man, and on and on.

    What is each man’s profession? Hobbies? Athleticism? Intellect?

    What country does he live in?

    I’m different from Xsplat in the sense that I would not like public sex, now. Five years ago, yes. Neither of us is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.

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  207. We’ve already established that Gunny is impossible to classify. He should have a quadrant to himself, if this were only mathematically possible. In the absence of this, I’m going to place him right in the centre of the Y axis.

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  208. wait a second…are you saying that the clothes alone make a woman a slut or a madonna?

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  209. on July 31, 2010 at 7:10 pm gunslingergregi

    I wouldn’t rule out me not being able to accomplish this.
    I would just need to kill all the men. Sure I might not be able to fuck all the woman but I would be able to have my sperm replicated and shot into all of them. I would just fuck the hottest ones to me. he he he

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  210. No.

    In fact I feel that most women are a mixture of the two (obviously the precise mix is different for each woman).

    But the Quadrant Theory is not about women, it is about men’s perception of women, and that is generally based on how they dress and I suppose also their sexual history (I should have mentioned this too as well as clothes, but it came up in the context of Audrey’s discussion of clothes). But sluttiness as used in the context of this theory is very much outward, public, obvious sluttiness.

    For instance, someone who wants their girlfriend to be a lady in the drawing room & a slut in the bedroom is a Fourth Quadranter not a First Quadranter.

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  211. on July 31, 2010 at 7:15 pm gunslingergregi

    but yea woman seem to have the inability to think in the abtract he he he

    Guys do it all the time.

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  212. on July 31, 2010 at 7:38 pm gunslingergregi

    See sdaedalus

    The perfect relationship is going to be one where

    The man and woman are mind body soul conscious and subconscious into each other plus have great sex.

    I mean what are you looking for in a man?

    Because to keep wanting to know what the mans weakness is sounds like you maybe are trying to entrap one instead of loving one. Sounds kind of like feminyiests plan of action. But if you think you have something to offer the man you want you are rewarding him with your love.

    How bout coming clean what is turning men off when it comes to you?

    If it is just household shit then hire a maid.

    If it is that you need a guy to wash dishes to be sexy to you then your gonna need to go through a heck of a lot of guys to find the one where you are:

    The man and woman are mind body soul conscious and subconscious into each other plus have great sex.

    What is the big thing your looking for that you are not getting?

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  213. on July 31, 2010 at 7:43 pm gunslingergregi

    he he he

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  214. Yes, SDaedalus, I am a 4th Quadranter. My ideal woman is an obedient virgin.

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  215. Gunny

    I’m not looking to entrap anyone, honestly. I don’t actually like the idea of entrapping someone, it is a bit manipulative for my taste (although it is useful to know about entrapment to protect oneself against it).

    I’m just trying to find out a bit more about men so that I can choose wisely & also avoid doing something that is likely to mess up a relationship unless absolutely necessary.

    I can’t understand why you assume I am looking for a house husband. This has me completely and utterly perplexed. I can only think you must be confusing me with someone else. I am reasonably competent at most domestic tasks although some people can be unreasonably fussy about my cooking.

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  216. @Gunny
    Also, the quadrants discussion wasn’t really from a personal point of view, I just liked it as an abstract concept and it tied into what Audrey had raised.

    @David C
    Thanks for quadranalysing yourself, I had figured this was the case but it is good to have my analysis confirmed.

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  217. Well, SDaedalus, it was pretty bleeding obvious from just about every comment I made at Cecilia’s blog. I am now posting on various other blogs, of the women that the Sexy Pterodactyl calls “Compliant Tradi-Babes” or some such thing, including The Thinking Housewife. The last lady censored one of my most recent comments, but she seems to approve of me in general. I had written “firm, even hard” and she changed this to “strong and decisive”.

    I think I am normal, and that other men are out of step.

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  218. I’m not sure there’s such a thing as normal, David, but at least you appear to be reasonably self-aware.

    Yes, it was fairly obvious that you were a Fourth Quadranter, a lot of guys who call themselves Fourth Quadranters just like the idea of it imo, in practice they tend to prefer girls at the sluttier end of the spectrum although they sing the praises of the less slutty sort, but I think you are genuinely a Fourth Quadranter.

    I can’t understand the change because the two expressions seem to me to mean more or less the same thing, but then I’m not a fan of selective editing generally other than to protect the privacy of the blogger or commenter.

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  219. @Gunny

    I agree with you on the perfect relationship, that is beautiful. It is choosing someone you can get to that stage with that is more difficult.

    Again, I can’t understand all these accusations of looking for male weakness & soft-underbelly evisceration. I really am not trying to do this, it would be a mean thing to do.

    I am just interested in discussing these things generally (I really am interested in the issues discussed in abstract terms, they explain a lot of human behavior & interaction) and maybe from a personal point of view picking up a few tips on the matters referred to above.

    Honestly. I do tease but that is only for a bit of fun, he he he.

    Goodnight.

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  220. Tim, the problem with slutting it up as a single woman is the lack of protection. When you’re dressed to attract general male attention, you get all kinds: the good and the bad.

    So rather than slutting it up, I prefer to dress extremely feminine, but modest. This invites positive attention from mostly positive people.

    A good example of this is my bright baby pink African bubble dress. It’s cut so that it definitely makes me look fatter than I am, but it can’t really conceal where the real dimensions are when I move. So it invites the eye to explore without actually showing anything.

    I also sometimes wear kameez (Indian shirts of the long, bodiced sort), and instead of the salwar (pants) use the dupatta (scarf) as a skirt over knee length shorts.

    Then there are the caftans. I have one with an elephant embroidered on the front. Obviously, it says I have a sense of humor.

    One doesn’t have to have half their boobs out to dress to get attention.

    There are also other ways of getting attention from a specific person, like touch. A girl in a turtleneck can get attention by touching a guy.

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  221. my husband is so far on the 4th quadrant he fell of the chart

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  222. Well, I was a bit peeved that The Thinking Housewife did it. She should have shown somehow that she elided my words. She is a good girl in general, though. I “approve” of her. I wish Cecilia were around to see this and be amused. She seems to have disappeared.

    I am trying hard not to say something I will regret at that discussion about men being grateful for cast-offs, on the other thread.

    I was just joking about “normal”, but I do find other men hard to understand in this regard.

    I think there are cultures where I would be normal – rural Mississippi maybe! But, yeah, I know I am very socially conservative. It does look like we may be about to elect a Prime Minister here in Australia whose social views approximate my own, though (Tony Abbott).

    Since there are, however, whole countries full of men who think like me, my attitudes must be part of the male human behavioural repertoire, if you know what I mean.

    I am not sure what you mean by slutty. I wanted a woman who was a good girl that I could have as a slut in my bedroom. Which is what I got. I don’t want more than one woman, and I don’t want her to act or look like a slut in public.

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  223. dana

    What do you mean? Do you like him like that?

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  224. David…are you Australian David….the one I know from Alte’s blog way back, when I used to go by Jacko?

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  225. David, I think you are normal for a civilized man. It’s just in an uncivilized situation, especially when too many men are feminized, men are well…chimpy.

    When a woman’s looks are more important than her character, that’s kind of the story of mankind. When in order to be considered beautiful, a woman must be too masculine and whore-like, it becomes a serious problem.

    In Pakistan, selecting for looks is likely going to get you a pretty girl who is just as much a virgin as any of the less pretty or downright ugly girls around her. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    If she feels more entitled than another to anything, it’s probably just going to be maybe a husband with more money, or maybe more pedicures or something.

    In the U.S. it’s making men not care if the woman has shagged half their city. The women feel entitled to express their sexual liberation, and the men encourage it thinking it’s going to mean more sex for them.

    …and it does mean more sex for thugs and guys with money and status. Everyone else gets even less sex than they would in a traditionally civilized situation.

    Would you like some popcorn?

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  226. Yes, Tim, I am. I decided to change my moniker to David C because there are a few David’s around. David is my second name and C is the first initial of my mother’s maiden name.

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  227. Hi David!

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  228. Nicole “If she feels more entitled than another to anything, it’s probably just going to be maybe a husband with more money, or maybe more pedicures or something.”

    As a writer of dyslexic, I’m also a reader of malaprop. I believe by “more pedicures” you mean “more pedigree”.

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  229. Xsplat, that too. She might hope that her suitors have higher social status, not just money.

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  230. David,

    You’re in no way abnormal. If I recollect, you once wrote on Alte’s blog that you were the last of a generation of men and women who were not unisex. I am somewhat envious. To give you an idea of how much has changed, when my father was in university he told me that there were barely any women on campus (1962). Moreover, there were no female police officers, firefighters and so forth.

    There is no going back to that and I in no way advocate for it, but the results of a unisex world is some men at the very top of the pyramid will get all the females and most men will go without. Most men would probably prefer a chaste woman because such a woman is telling the world she can be trusted. However, because of the sexual revolution and feminism, women are fighting to the death over the top choice cut of meat: the alpha male. Female intrasexual rivalry is intense, and it is fought below ground with maximum stealth. I’m not sure men fully comprehend the lengths a woman will go to secure the top male (eyeliner, lip gloss, low-cut V neck, perfume).

    In a perfect beta male world, man meets woman and falls in love, shortly after children are born and the rest is history. But with the sexual revolution and feminism, beta males now share space with beta females; both occupy traditional male territory and both are fighting to get the keys to the alpha kingdom. Men and women are now grudgingly accepting of this new dispensation, but both sexes are aware they are in competition with one another, not complimentary.

    I can’t say with any authority how it goes for women but for men this is only tolerable because marriage never really benefited men -it’s sole purpose was to provide children, end of. Men without children can do just fine. And there will always be women. If a man is reasonably intelligent he knows that over time he is still attractive to women, as there are some females who like older men.

    To make a long story short, yes ideally the woman is not slutty, simply because a man will then know she can be trusted. But this is moot post feminism post sexual liberation.

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  231. Somewhat related to the discussion above—in that sex drive is a key component to any healthy, exploratory, and fulfilling sex life for long-term relationships:

    “Sunbathing boosts the male sex drive, suggests the findings of a new Austrian study.

    The study establishes that testosterone is boosted by vitamin D. Low testosterone levels are known to adversely impact a man’s libido as well as reduce energy levels.

    Testosterone also helps maintain muscle strength and bone density in both men and women.

    Majority of the vitamin D is produced by the skin on exposure to sunlight. Diet is the other source through which the human body takes in vitamin D.

    More vitamin D, more testosterone
    For the purpose of the study, researchers from the Medical University of Graz, Austria followed 2,299 men.

    The findings of the study revealed that men with at least 30 nanograms of vitamin D per milliliter of blood had more testosterone in the blood vis-à-vis those who had little vitamin D.

    Ad Brand of the Sunlight Research Forum, a non-profit organization, in The Netherlands, said, “Men who ensure that their body is at least sufficiently supplied with vitamin D are doing good for their testosterone levels and their libido among other things.”

    The study also revealed that testosterone and vitamin D levels reached their zenith in the month of August, dipped in winter and hit their lowest ebb in the month of March.”

    –themedguru.com

    I couldn’t imagine dating a guy with a low sex drive or having a man not be interested in sex daily. I like the horn dogs myself. I aim to look further into what gives a female a high sex drive vs. a low sex drive and to what degree it is related to testosterone levels in her. She can be your madonna and become your own personal slut but if her sex drive is low then you are fucked eventually, not.

    In the meantime, bronze those bodies boys, you’ll be horny and hot. Sweet!

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  232. I just sent some chick a one word non sequitur after having broken off text convo for about a month.

    Got a response within a couple minutes.

    Game FTW!

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  233. on July 31, 2010 at 11:00 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””Tim
    Moreover, there were no female police officers, firefighters and so forth.

    There is no going back to that and I in no way advocate for it, but the results of a unisex world is some men at the very top of the pyramid will get all the females and most men will go without.
    ”””””

    Yea but there really are no woman still where the metal meets the meat but apparently woman only want an office guy making big money so I could see a problem if you look at tv unless it is bundy right but he sells shoes. So yea you really think woman have taken over mens physical jobs? lol there aren’t even female cable girls. What happened was trades jobs were looked down upon even though these guys are the guys who stay naturally in fuckable shape through work. So guys don’t stay in shape through hard work only sit at a desk. So they don’t come home all sweaty and turn the wife on through raw manly blood running through veins from having done some physical stuff. Why yea every man needs to at least probably join army for a bit so he can at least be hard at one point in his life.

    Woman don’t want an average guy and don’t want to put the work in to create a high achiever but yea I guess I should get off j’s back a little on that one he he he

    Problem is most people just don’t have capability in their brain to see 5 to 10 years into the future.

    Then other problem yea

    Even when a millionaire is proposing to a chick she will turn him down if she thinks she can get the millionaire who also looks good lol
    It is pretty sick.
    Woman in west heads just to big for their bodies. They want a millionaire with status who also fucks great but don’t realize that so does every other woman on planet and the west ain’t got a very nice ruleset for rich guys but they will also have unlimited choice so what the fuck. lol
    Just a matter of prob not able to see realistically or holding out like crazy while also not being willing to have sex with a multitude of guys to experiment if they can find one for them that meets some of their requirements.

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  234. Tim and anouk

    Tim

    The sad thing is that modern boys accept this rubbish as normal. I am not saying women can’t make fair to average police officers or whatever. But they will always struggle. We have had two female police commissioners in Australia, in the ACT and Victoria. Put in place by nancy left-wing governments of course, burnishing their trendy credentials. The ACT woman committed suicide from stress and the Victorian female has just been named in a commission on the Victorian bushfires as incompetent.

    Our local pussy government appointed a female firefighter. Last I heard she was on maternity leave.

    As I said, modern men have been sold a pup on equality. I cannot believe that so many young men have such low self-esteem as to even contemplate marrying the used-up sluts on offer. I married a pretty virgin who knew her place. I would never tolerate these entitled little molls on the marketplace now. It is simply pathetic.

    anouk

    My wife has given it up for me for years, any way I like. I decide.

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  235. As I said, i did try it with “Tonite at 7”. Sent it to a girl who was kind of aloof. Took 24 hours, but she did call back (she lives in a neighboring town). I said it was for another girl (obvious) and dropped the issue, but I know I got her intrigued, so I’m counting this as a success.

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  236. Tim, it’s nice to see things going right for someone. Girls who figure things out in time usually don’t get too twisted up even if they’re not virgins anymore.

    I’ve come to realize that in some ways, even I am quite naive despite having seen a lot, and done a lot with my early admission to the “Over 40 Club”. I believe that so long as a person’s basic character is alright, they will do a lot of shielding and sheltering themselves even when others don’t.

    It’s a kind of survival drive.

    That’s where my hope for humanity is…basically in its greed.

    I trust that the little home level alpha that is buried inside the vast majority of beta males, is frustrated with things as they are now, and will do what it takes to balance things.

    We can’t turn back time and make the current young, single, non virgins into virgins again, but if guys stop lying to themselves and to women, most could probably be convinced to take stock and change their behavior before it’s too late.

    The current situation is just pain for socioeconomically beta males and aesthetically beta females. Both are largely lonely and frustrated. Something has to break.

    When young people ask me why and what, I tell them the truth. At least in a few cases, it’s caught.

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  237. Yikes…that last one (currently in moderation) was to David.

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  238. David C-

    right on.

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  239. @Anouk,
    I couldn’t imagine dating a guy with a low sex drive or having a man not be interested in sex daily. I like the horn dogs myself. I aim to look further into what gives a female a high sex drive vs. a low sex drive and to what degree it is related to testosterone levels in her. She can be your madonna and become your own personal slut but if her sex drive is low then you are fucked eventually, not.

    In the meantime, bronze those bodies boys, you’ll be horny and hot. Sweet!

    A romantic relationship involving low sex drives would defeat the fundamental purpose of a relationship for me.

    A relationship without sex is just a friendship.

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  240. “A romantic relationship involving low sex drives would defeat the fundamental purpose of a relationship for me.”

    Unless she’s a great (and willing) cook and maid.

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  241. Any woman’s sex drive can be increased by giving her better sex than she has previously had. A woman with a low sex drive is easier to do this for.

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  242. @Original JB
    “A romantic relationship involving low sex drives would defeat the fundamental purpose of a relationship for me.”

    I can hire a maid and a cook for that. And it would cost less.

    @polymath
    Any woman’s sex drive can be increased by giving her better sex than she has previously had. A woman with a low sex drive is easier to do this for.

    Yes, but some just don’t want sex; just like some men don’t. Not that they don’t want it at all – but that they don’t need it. Their drive is much, much weaker. It’s like a curse for the one who wants it more in a relationship. You’re the one always pushing for more or seducing all the time.

    Conversation overheard more than a decade ago on the subway:

    Woman 1: I can’t wait until we’re married. Finally.
    Woman 2: Something-something-natter-natter
    Woman 1: It took him 4 years to ask me to marry him.
    Woman 2: Something-Doodle-natter-natter
    Woman 1: Yeah, at least after we get married I don’t have to have sex any more.
    Woman 2: Natter natter something something?
    Woman 1: That’s the whole point of getting married – I don’t have to have sex and he can’t walk out on me.
    Woman2: Natter natter nit pick?
    Woman 1: If he cheats on me I’ll fuck him over totally.

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  243. Gorb is correct that sex drive is highly variable for both men and women. Some women are pretty useless to some men, and vice versa.

    Yes, a womans sex drive can improve – but it’s like IQ. You need the innate hardware capability to begin with.

    Another fact that for some very, very strange reason, people have a very difficult time letting it rest between the ears long enough to cognise: the G spot only exists in a portion of women, and is highly variable in size. NOT all women can have a G spot orgasm. No matter what you do.

    And some squirt. But NOT all women can. No matter what you do.

    Some never get horny enough to ever feel the desire to masturbate. They are helped with testosterone patches, but that gives hair on their lip and other masculine features. Oxytocin can be inhaled in precise very small doses, but it’s not available on the market. Melanotan is said to work. GHB works for women as a powerful aphrodesiac. There are very few effective aphrodesiacs for women.

    And some women are unstoppable and you can fuck em for 4 hours a day and full days on weekends and they’ll still come after you for more.

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  244. Pussy is fungible like money is fungible. A five dollar bill can’t be traded equally for a hundred.

    It’s an absurd notion whose only purpose is as a mental strategy to bolster up the attitudes of confidence and devil may care. Very little truth value. That’s like saying ass is fungible. That high tight bubble but of your preferred size is not interchangeable with the cottage cheese that old lady fills her panty hose with.

    Fungible. We only say that for the effect it gives us. It’s bullshit as a factual statement.

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  245. I think we should stop using the word “fungible” in the same sentence with “pussy”, for obvious reasons. Thank you.

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