Reader Mailbag: Operant Conditioning Edition

Email #1:

First, thank you.  That’s all I need to say for the last 9 months of hitting pussy like an underhanded wiffle-ball toss.  Your advice is golden, and works, and makes me feel better about myself and about my interactions with women.

Bottom Line Up Front: I‘m fucking an 18 year old chick on a regular basis.  She came over to my place to clean last night, (she’s friends with my younger brother – they were both in high school cross country together).  When I got home, my laundry was folded and the place was in much better shape than when I left it.  I was at the bars with a bunch of buddies.  I brought them both some fast food, mostly because I love my younger brother and wanted to make sure he was taken care of, but also because I was signaling my provider potential.  Mistake.

After eating and chatting a bit about the night (I was very vague, but mentioned that it was a lot of fun,) I took off my clothes and went into my bedroom.  At this point, I must admit, I was running a passive aggressive shit test.  I wanted to see if this chick would get off the couch of her own accord, (where my lil bro was playing video games), and come to bed with me.  I should have nutted up and thrown her over my shoulder, but I was drunk and mistakes were made.  After finishing her food, she reclined back on the couch.  I gave her one more chance, “you kiddies don’t stay up too late.” and went into my room and crashed.

This morning, she was not in my bed.  She was still on the couch curled up in a blanket.  (Had she been in my bed I might have forgiven her by giving her doggie style good morning sex, but no.)

I woke her up by being noisy – I was pissed – because I knew SHE knew what she had done, and that now I was being tested.  I wasn’t sure how to react, but in these situations, I normally go with my gut, which said to call her out.  Again, I acted passive aggressively, (stupid!). I ignored her as she stared at me from the couch while I walked around in a towel getting ready.  I went into my room and shut the door and read your blog for a bit, looking to see if you’d written anything applicable about this issue, but was too pissed to concentrate.

Finally, I left for work.  I almost left without talking to her, but gave in at the last moment.  I gave her a peck on the forehead and a one armed hug and walked out the door without making eye contact.

However, on the drive over, I remembered your post on dread, and sent her a text that said, “I’m upset with you right now.  It might be nothing, but we need to talk when I get home.”  Again, I should have acted more aggressively, or just not sent this message, but your dual advice of playing it cool and letting loose the storm of masculine rage when slighted had me somewhere in tepid waters, the result being my responses to her bullshit.

What would you have done?  How can I salvage this, as I honestly don’t feel like I have hand on this one.  I see her again 2pm west coast time, and I’d like to walk into that interaction prepared.

Very respectfully,

~Dr. Drew

I get a warm but somewhat disturbed feeling when I find that an emailer is reading this blog in between bouts of drama with an insolent girlfriend. It’s a little bit trippy, this feeling inside…

Yeah, you screwed up, but not for the reason you think. It wasn’t the provider-signaling fast food itself that caused her to clam up; it was the fact that you offered this food after a night out on the town with the boys. You know what goes through a chick’s mind when a man does that?

“He must be guilty of something.”

And do you know what women do to men they think are guilty of something? They shit test them until the men start to believe they’re guilty of something. You see, a man’s guilt is the soft underbelly that, when exposed, a female cannot resist but sink her claws into and eviscerate. Your fast food happy meal, coming so close on the heels of a late night at the bars without her, was akin to a confessional.

A single instance of resource provision is not inherently beta. The key to successfully navigating the straits between sexless beta provider drone and loved alpha quasi-cheapskate lies in the context. Next time, offer fast food when she’s least expecting it. Hint: not after she could conceivably suspect you of fooling around, and not after she has just banged you.

Now that we know what the problem was, we can safely diagnose the rest of your interaction. It was bad. You made a precarious situation worse with your actions. When a girl freezes up and withholds sex, your response should NOT, under any circumstances, be a peck on the forehead and a one-armed hug. Do you reward a dog with a pig ear for shitting on your carpet? No? Same difference.

The text you sent was even worse. It sounds like Stuart Smalley wrote it. The Stuart Smalleys of the world don’t get laid, they only get elected to Congress with the help of illicit felon votes. You tried to thread the needle between cool, unfazed alpha and take-no-shit-from-anyone, angry alpha. This was unwise. Choose one or the other in the moment. Vacillation is the moisture wicking pad of the female libido. Unfortunately, everything you did played right into her hands. She now has the satisfaction of knowing two things:

  1. That whatever it is that just happened between you two, you were certainly the one to blame, and
  2. That she has assumed control of the relationship, or what’s left of it.

Here is what you should have done when you saw her sleeping on the couch the next morning. Nudge her awake, then tell her to get out, you have stuff to do. Your tone of voice and facial expression should be neutral. She will quietly gather her stuff and leave, or she will whine about talking over whatever it is that’s bothering you. Either way, you have regained hand. Stay in character, and usher her out the door, explaining that you’ll give her a call later. “Later” meaning a period of time no shorter than two days and closer to five days. That is how you punish a woman so that she learns to respect the cocka.

Here is how you can salvage the relationship.

Step One: Mentally demote her to an ex-girlfriend you just dumped. This will put you in the proper frame of mind for future interactions.

Step Two: One week. Absence makes the tingle vibrate stronger. Don’t contact her for a week. Her hamster will do all your work for you.

If you follow the two steps above, odds are good she will call you first. Don’t show your cards right away. Let her talk as if nothing is wrong. Find out her angle, where she’s coming from. Then, when she thinks she has smoothed everything over (assuming she still wants to be with you), you unload the beaver buster:

“Oh, and by the way, if you ever pull that couch stunt again, you and I are through.”

PS: I hesitate to mention the following, because it’s a bit gauche. There are two other, albeit less likely, explanations for why she camped out on the couch to play video games with your younger brother instead of trot behind you to your bedroom.

One, she’s having a fling with another dude.

Two, that other dude is your brother.

Just throwing it out there. Jer-ry! Jer-ry!

******

Email #2

I need some advice:

I was laying on my bed at night with a girl i have been seeing and sleeping for some months. She is a 8 and all was well. Then she asks for some Chocolate. To clarify, she is thin but loves chocloate. I tell her that i have no chocolate in the house. She asks to get her some. I think “Shittest” and tell her, that i will not go out just to get her chocolate. She hits me with “No chocolate, no sex!”. I handle this as a shittest as well an try a “I do not negotiate with terrorists, holding sex hostage, i fight them” approach an start some foreplay. She resists and because i do not want to seem to needy and it is late anyway i said “good night, terrorist” and went to sleep. (

The next day we lay on my bed again and she wants Chocolate again and ask me why i did not buy some. I answer that i told her that i do not negotiate with terrorists and she answers “It is not terrorism, it is a deal”. I ask what i would get for one bar of chocolate. She tells me i would get a blowjob. I joke that this is way to much for just a blowjob. She tells me that 2 chocolatbars would buy casual sex, with three we could try anal if it does not hurt too much, and for ten i could do whatever i want. All this is said with a smirk. I tell her i do not buy before testing the goods and so we have sex (but just the one and two chocolate bar kind, as usual).

What now? Do I never speak of it again because i do not want to make her frame stronger that i have to “pay” to sleep with her or get kinky acts or just get 10 chocolate bars and tell her to be my bitch (and get her an excuse to get slutty)?

Thanks in advance

C.
P.S: if you put this on the page feel free to correct my english

Get the dog to shit on a plate, sprinkle the turd with powdered sugar and drizzle with raspberry sauce, garnish with mint leaf, and present it to her with great aristocratic flourish as a dessert of the finest Belgian chocolate mousse. At the Chateau, we do “2 girls, 1 cup” with a little extra attention to detail. Bonus!: 2 birds, 1 cup, you have made a sly political commentary about the effluvium that issues forth from Brussels.

But seriously, you’re overthinking this. I can’t tell the tone from what you wrote, but it sounds to me that she’s just being playful. Go out and buy a huge dark chocolate bar, come back with it, act as if you are planning to give it to her, then sit down next to her and eat it yourself. When she whines, tell her it’s delicious. When she tries to grab for it, tell her to stop being a baby, she must wait until you’re done eating your part of it. Leave the tiniest piece behind and give that to her. Act like it is a great sacrifice on your part.

If she can’t have a laugh about that, then you have free rein to cheat. There’s nothing worse than a chick with no sense of humor. Oh wait, there is… an ugly chick with no sense of humor.

PS: Ten chocolate bars doesn’t sound like a bad deal for sex with a hottie. Sure beats drowning in mortgage debt and blowing a wad on an engagement ring.

******

Email #3

I enjoy your blog.

How do you feel about giving women nicknames?

This guy I worked with called his girlfriend, “Kitten.” I heard him to talk to her on the phone. I mean, he basically called her “Pussy” every time he talked to her. So, he was superficially affectionate but always reminding her that her worth was between her legs. (I met her, eventually, and she was model hot and was really into him.)

George W. Bush gave nicknames to all his underlings. I used to think it was dickish bullying, but I see now that it’s a superficially friendly way to assert dominance. And it’s still dickish.

Then, I read some woman’s advice about how men shouldn’t give women nicknames on the first date, and I knew that doing the opposite of what a drying-up mid-thirties advice columnist wrote about how the treat women was probably right.

I think that there could be something to this. Maybe in a cocky/funny way.

T.

Nicknames are great. They establish the proper paternalistic male – frivolous female dynamic that is the foundation of all successful and happy romantic relationships. Plus, they objectify women, and almost all women, contrary to the shrieks of dusty muffed feminists everywhere, harbor a secret desire to be objectified by condescending men. Imagine a cock slapping a chick’s face… forever. (plz to make animated gif.)

So you should always give women nicknames, preferably more than one to suit whatever happens to be the occasion.

Some of my personal favorites:

Lovechop.

Little Miss Muffin.

Showgirl.

Sugar Walls.

Miss Minx.

Princess Peach Pit.

Puss n Boobs.

Tits Ahoy.

Twinkletits.

Jujube.

Cock Envelope.

Queef Latifah.

Ho.

Good rule of thumb: the hotter the chick, the sluttier the nickname. It’s imperative that you sexualize a hot girlfriend soon after beginning to date her. Hot chicks have huge egos and crave a man who will bring them down to earth. This bringing down to earth process involves basically treating her like a convenient wet hole.

I’d steer clear of granting mushy or sexual nicknames to girls on first dates. That’s a fast track to disqualifying yourself as a needy pervert. Those are best saved for later on. Early game chicknames should be more teasing, less sexual. Like calling her Red Carpet when she shows up overdressed to an event, or Grace Kelly when she trips on the sidewalk.

Caveat: The uglier the girl, the more careful you’ll have to be about choosing nicknames. Too caustic, and she might start crying. Too sexual, and she’ll think you’re making fun of her. But really, why would you bother?





Comments


  1. Could it be that lady #1 was a little miffed she cleaned this dude’s house and he didn’t even offer a thank you? I don’t think a thank you for a proper meal or a house just cleaned is too much to ask. Just like thanking your husband/boyfriend for what he provides is also appropriate.

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  2. Tits McGee

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  3. Email One:
    Step One: Mentally demote her to an ex-girlfriend you just dumped. This will put you in the proper frame of mind for future interactions.

    This is always, always the best path. Stop calling, don’t make arrangements, drop it.

    Make her come to you. The one asking to talk is the one without hand.

    Email Two:

    It’s just play. Stop overanalyzing.

    Get her chocolate, tell he she can eat it later, bend her over and use her like you’ve just paid her. Just to make the point, but she might very well get hot.

    Email three:
    Nicknames:

    Always give nicknames.

    – Indicates ownership. You have named her. She is now your property.
    – Objectifies her (as Roissy says)
    – Establishes dominance
    – Makes it clear that she’s fungible: She’s a commodity. She no longer has a unique name. She may as well be a member of a harem. Same principle as giving prisoners numbers.

    Make it slightly funny but, overall, slightly dehumanizing and neutralizing.

    I’ve always done this. I think I got the advice from a PUA about 4 years ago.

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  4. A girl can eat all the chocolate she wants as long it is off my dick.

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  5. #1 overthinks everything, which means he was/is deep in the ways of beta. I suspect he lacks social IQ as well. His time with the 18 y/o is not long for this world, although I suspect she will stay “in the family” so to speak.

    The experience will lead him to anger and eventually he’ll become a regular commentor on the Spearhead.

    #2 has a better grasp of his issue. His instincts are correct, he just needs to not doubt himself.

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  6. My first thought about e-mail #1 was that she is into the brother. She came over to hang out with him. Maybe tidying up was the excuse. If she is coming over to visit the bro all the time, our man here won’t be able to maintain his week of silence.

    Armchair gamer advice that is not easily do-able in real life:

    If she is coming around all the time, he needs to get another chick to come over to make her jealous. He basically awkwarded this one up beyond repair.

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  7. the second story is so cute. pupu thinks the guy should buy his terriorist some ammunition while keeping a secret inventory on the side. who knows, these things could come really handy.

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  8. Whats really good in Hungarian language is that puszi mean kisses and is pronounced pussi, and we use it quite a lot. Foreigners like that

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  9. Maybe the girl in the last letter was hungarian and he just told her kisses.

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  10. I’ve only read email one and the Chateau collective’s advice following. It’s very good advice. Belongs in the Roissy hall of fame. It’s also very easy advice to follow. Here’s the nub of it:

    When a girl freezes up and withholds sex, your response should NOT, under any circumstances, be a peck on the forehead and a one-armed hug. Do you reward a dog with a pig ear for shitting on your carpet? No? Same difference.

    The text you sent was even worse. It sounds like Stuart Smalley wrote it. The Stuart Smalleys of the world don’t get laid, they only get elected to Congress with the help of illicit felon votes. You tried to thread the needle between cool, unfazed alpha and take-no-shit-from-anyone, angry alpha. This was unwise. Choose one or the other in the moment. Vacillation is the moisture wicking pad of the female libido.

    The one thing I’ll object to is that there was anything wrong with bringing home fast food. There wasn’t. Especially after she’s cleaned your place up. In fact it was a cool move. I agree with Dream Puppy, emailer #1 should have praised her for it in fact. But in a manner that it’s what he expects but he’s pleased she did such a good job kind of thing. Praise what you like. Primarily withhold attention from her for what you don’t like. Occasionally getting pissed when you know exactly what you’re pissed about and tell her, and laying down the law is also good. Not too often.

    The point about not being a provider and hence beta, is that you don’t lead with that when you meet her, and don’t compete with other guys past of possible with that during the relationship. You can and should do some of it in an established relationship if you have a lot more money than her. Not if you don’t.

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  11. I use to spend time with someone who had two nicknames: kiddo and doll. The kiddo got tossed after I pointed out that a. he used it on many, b. it was a rather overt attempt to establish relative positions of power, and c. it is a bit off in the context of a sexual relationship.

    Then I got stuck with doll, so I just internally rolled my eyes and moved on. No nickname is going to change existing power dynamics. The hand is there or it is not.

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  12. i see a common theme between 1 and 2:

    #1: “I went into my room and shut the door and read your blog for a bit, looking to see if you’d written anything applicable about this issue…”

    #2: “I think “Shittest” and tell her, that i will not go out just to get her chocolate. She hits me with “No chocolate, no sex!”.

    when i started reading this blog i started seeing the whole world through shit-test lenses for a while, which on at least one occasion caused me to overthink, vacillate, and fuck up badly because i had lost perspective and viewed something playful like chocolate for sex as on par with guns for hostages.

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  13. @ bictopia

    We were in Hungary for a school sponsored trip and we all struck out with the locals. We did well with the Italians, Spanish, and South American tourist chicks but we bombed with the Hungarians. What gives? We did have trouble communicating, but it seemed that the locals weren’t even interested in talking to us, unlike the Italianos and Espanol speakers.

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  14. Excellent spot on advice as usual…. I was was worried that CR’s keen senses were slipping on E-mail #1, until he hit him with the Post Script.

    E-mailer #1’s game seems too robotic and rote. E-mailer #2 has the right flow and he def needs to have more playful fun. The Chocolate/dirty Sex theme that was opened is more than enough fuel for laughs, alphaness and smooth segue’s into taboo sex.

    Nicknames are great, I make sure to let a nickname create itself organically rather than force one on a girl. The name doesnt have to be overtly sexual, but i think it def does have to be funny, playful and hopefully accurate…. adding sexual is simply a powerful boost.

    In addition to the reason’s mentioned already, a nickname also seems to adds to whatever bond is being formed. Your understanding of each other is on a different level.

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  15. @ bictopia
    This was at clubs like Dokk, Studio, Moulin Rouge.

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  16. Gentleman,

    Higher-beta seeking advice: I was out partying with some friends Saturday night and met a pretty hot looking girl. I was completely wasted, and the night is a blur. I do remember she’s a nurse, and what her hometown was. But not much else. We met at a bar, then left together, went to another place to get some food, partying ways afterwords and making out heavily.

    Anyways, should I just tell her straight up I don’t remember much? (That may make me look desperate, as why would someone be eager to go out with someone they can barely remember?). On the other hand, faking otherwise would be pretty difficult. We have plans to get together Weds or Thurs, so gotta come up with something.

    The whole situation is odd. I’ve confirmed via FB she’s indeed a 9, relatively conservative young professional type, and surely not a “party girl”. I also know she was sober that night (told me yesterday via text message). I’m a 26 year old grad student, my FB profile is fairly juvenile (lots of references to partying, traveling, etc.), and given how intoxicated I was it’s surprising she’s still interested. I can tell by her text messages she’s quite methodical, somewhat blunt. We had the not so good Sunday morning text exchange:

    ME: “[restaurant name] at 5am… YUMMY!”

    ME (10 minutes later): “Uh oh, [her name] was not impressed with that comment!”

    HER: “Maybe [her name] is still asleep. Maybe [her name] is going to Church with her mother. Either way, not conducive to prompt replies. Toodle-doo!”.

    ME: “Ouch”
    ME: “i like the use of the word “conducive” tough”.

    with no further replies til I texted her back (beta perhaps?) in the evening (at which time weds or thurs were suggested by her as good days we could get together again. She works odd hours and suggested these times tonight and tomorrow that would be good to give her a call. I was being pretty cocky-funny Saturday night. I distinctly remember when I met her at the bar a GF of hers tried to CB and I gently made fun of her, everyone laughed, then she got all sheepish and left us alone. I also recall I was generally calling the girl out on her shit-tests. She kept trying assert herself over me, giving me a raised eyebrow look at some ridiculous story of mine and each time I was able to turn things around to make her feel prudish while I was just having a good time. And she’d end up fighting back a smile, I’d point it out, and she’d drop the act, and start giggling or something (I remember this because I found it quite cute).

    So gentleman, this brings us to where we now are: texting/FB rapport established, though she generally acts aloof. I could try and disarm that in my replies but for now I’d like to be brief and save it til I see her in person. Anyone care to throw out a suggested course of action?

    thanks,
    FF

    FF

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  17. oops, “partying ways afterwords” should read “parting ways afterwards”.

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  18. i see a common theme between 1 and 2:

    Game requires mastery. Many mistakes will happen. That’s why most quit. They are too afraid of failure, and so they never succeed.

    The fact that they are reading, applying, and learning from theirs mistakes means both of them will be fine.

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  19. Comment above about first emailer is in moderation. Great classic Chateau advice.

    I wonder if the second one was written by Roissy. The actual concrete advice given, about buying the chocolate bar and eating almost all of it yourself, was good and that would be funny, if done in the properly playful teasing taunting manner.

    However the analysis and frame were wrong. Yes she was “just being playful” but she was also shit testing you and playing for hand. She was in fact maneuvering to make you provide for her, in at first a trivial way. Watch that grow if you don’t nip it in the bud.

    What you should have said is you don’t like having sex with hookers. Even when their price is a few candy bars and they’re really inexpensive, cheap little whores. All said with a smirk.

    As far as I’m concerned girls in relationships should never withhold sex from their man. Now if I really can’t get her in the mood I’m not likely to want it myself, but she knows she has to give it if I require it. It’s her duty in being with me, as well as her joy. That’s the traditional frame and the right frame. Screw chivalry and screw American feminism. D/s.

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  20. Higher-beta seeking advice

    You’re a lesser beta. Self-awareness is key to mastery.

    You are texting (twice) for a dinner date. That’s a hat trick of failures right there.

    You’re texting twice to her one. You’re mentioning being hurt. “Ouch!”

    You don’t remember details of the night, and care. Not remembering signals status. Watch the Paper Chase. The professor will never remember the student’s name. “Remind me who you are again.”

    This one is likely lost to you forever. Your best bet is to adopt asshole game. Just overplay being an asshole. You need the practice.

    Best case, it works. Worst case, you’re left the same position that you’re now it – which is the guy who doesn’t have the girl.

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  21. There’s a hot young gf I used to call “cunt container” or “my little cunt container” all the time.

    Drove her wild.

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  22. @FF

    Your text messages blew it.

    Never apologize for yourself or beg for a response. That’s not even Higher Beta behavior.

    Lose and lose.

    Go watch Casino Royale. Be that Bond.

    Also try Pale Rider: Eastwood’s character.

    You’re *not supposed to care*.

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  23. @FF

    I frequently meet girls when sloshed… and much of everything is in a fog. Then we meet up on a different night.

    She knows you were drunk. You obviously remember enough of the night, so don’t be ashamed to admit if you forgot stuff if it comes up. I wouldn’t volunteer that you don’t remember stuff though.

    If she catches you not remembering something, don’t be embarrassed by it, just play it off as it doesnt matter one way or the other, because it doesn’t. … If anything it looks better that there were forgettable moments rather than you remembering every last detail of your time together.

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  24. Mike,

    Thanks for that. So you’d suggest I ignore her request to call her, and wait for her to message me/FB me? I agree that texting was lame. But given that she left her friends and spent two hours with me, and made out heavily I would have thought things are not as in as poor shape as you suggest. But I’m a lot more interested than what you all think here than my analysis.

    FF

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  25. Miles_Cyrax

    Dokk is quite a weird place, i dont like it, i rarely go to Moulin Rouge as well, it opens at 4, but its a quite fun place with the big mama opening the front door that is hidden. Szimpla or cha cha cha or Corvintetö are much nicer, dokk is heavy with maffia.
    The xpat community is strong here, but there a lot of open Hungarians as well, just perhaps dokk is not the right place.
    I will do some links where to go in Budapest on my blog, that are fails safe.
    And the best tip i can give so far is to avoid the bad strip clubs that rip you off, 4play is by far the best one, owned by Americans.

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  26. my girlfriend’s initials are BJ, so that takes care of it in the nickname dept.

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  27. Interesting. Okay, well I’m a chump, lesson learned.

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  28. Called a fembot once: ‘My Little Thumbscrew’

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  29. @FF

    Text message game was weak. She volunteered times to hang out which is a good sign…. but the possibility of her flaking is super strong. Don’t force communication and wait for in person again if its still on the table. Your not gonna gain any points with those texts and her dismissive replies right now.

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  30. @FF

    If she asked you to call her that changes everything…. Be sparse in your communication, but give her one call and set up a time to meet.

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  31. FF–

    Your text exchange was very beta. you should never make excuses for prior text messages before she even replies. You were asking for her approval in your second text. Beta. Every single thing you texted except the first opening one was beta. All approval seeking.

    I’d say you are on very shaky ground with her. The main thing making it seem maybe possible is that you made out heavily with her the first night.

    She was probably a lot more drunk than she admits though less than you and may well not want to remember the making out upon just meeting you. Especially before seeing you again in more sober circumstance and evaluating whether you are alpha enough for her not to feel too bad about it.

    So if she does actually show up at this date without flaking, that’s what she’s gonna be doing. You should treat it like first meeting her, with no references to what happened before. At least not until she’s digging you and she brings it up.

    btw, you’ll have a lot more luck picking up girls if you don’t drink that much. Just a bit for a slight buzz, well under calculating control.

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  32. P.S.,

    in my defence I didn’t know she was actually as hot as she is when I sent those lame text messages. I’d not seen her on FB and figured she’d be a 6, have a fat but, or something, and be an easy score. I’m pretty confident gaming 6’s by just being overwhelming and forward. What I was hoping would salvage this would be approaching this the same way. It would be consistent with the way I was acting Saturday.

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  33. on August 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm greatbooksformen

    lozzlozlzozlzozzlzozlozzlzozlzozlzozlzlzl!!!

    when a grils saysz no chocalte no sex, i say, yah right go get me some chocolate if youwant lotsa cocka–lotsa choclate for lotsa cocka go get it … “AND BRING THE DA MOVIES!!”

    lzozlzozozl

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  34. FF, let’s start from the beginning, since you do not understand attraction. You wrote:

    * “I’m a 26 year old grad student, my FB profile is fairly juvenile (lots of references to partying, traveling, etc.), and given how intoxicated I was it’s surprising she’s still interested. ”

    That is contrast. Professor Roissy has covered this lesson in, “Contrast is King.” Since you’re a grad student, she assumes that you’re smart and ambitious. (Even though anyone can get a grad degree, it’s still associated with status.)

    Thus, there is no surprise that she’s still interested. The contrast makes her more interested.

    You see, my friend, you still don’t understand what attracts women. You are asking us for the words to the song, but you still need to learn the music.

    It takes a while – years – and the fact that you’re here is evidence you have potential.

    Let’s look at some more of your text:

    * “(That may make me look desperate, as why would someone be eager to go out with someone they can barely remember?).”

    Eager? Come on, my friend. The music an alpha listens to doesn’t recognize the tone of eagerness.

    * “We have plans to get together Weds or Thurs, so gotta come up with something.”

    Professor Roissy has an answer for this, “Bring the movies.” That’s what the text should say, “Bring the movies.”

    It’s a woman’s job to please you. You are not some supplicant who spends hours finding the right restaurant. She needs to please you.

    Here would be my text: “Bring the movies.” If she pushed back, I’d answer (hours later), “All good.” That’s it.

    “All good” is my typical blow-off line.

    If she says, “I don’t want to watch movies. I want to go out for dinner,” I say, “All good.”

    She’ll want to know what you mean. “All good” does not answer any questions. Yet it’s not entirely dismissive.

    It then becomes to her to keep texting me.

    If she doesn’t text back, she’s not interested. In which case, you will tell yourself the most important word in the English language, “Next!”

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  35. @Doug,

    No she was distinctly sober. That came up in a later text, as well as an explanation why (and she noted she told many times that night).

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  36. re: nicknames

    i used to call boneless spareribs from chinese takeout “meatbox” so guess what my ex took to calling me

    yes

    meatbox

    c’mere meatbox….gimme that meatbox

    and i fuckin loved it like a retard lol

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  37. My friends and I tend to give derogitory nickname to the girls we’re seeing that we use amongst ourselves (not to them directly). “Hey, what did you do last night?” “I was out with The Goat.” or “Hey, are you still seeing Planet of the Apes.” “Yeah, she gives great head.” I think that this helps to establish a nice dominant internal frame.

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  38. love the chocolate story…

    that guy clearly didn’t understand the girl was being playful.

    what is so hard about buying a chocolate bar..

    rofl its not a shit test.. hahah

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  39. on August 9, 2010 at 3:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    That shit was funny as fuck.

    ””””’I should have nutted up and thrown her over my shoulder, ”””””’

    That should just be a normal part of the day.

    But yea might want to have talk with brother he he he

    ”””’What now? Do I never speak of it again because i do not want to make her frame stronger that i have to “pay” to sleep with her or get kinky acts or just get 10 chocolate bars and tell her to be my bitch (and get her an excuse to get slutty)?”””””’

    I think you did great with the terrorist shit especially if she was laughing. Making a chick laugh is what makes the pussy wet as well. I have checked this by when my woman laughing I have done a pussy dipstick test with my finger. (wet)
    So yea you did have her getting hot.
    You should work on your touching woman ability so that they do not bring up wanting chocolate for sex. You got to work your lovmaking skills he he he
    But yea then you can say I like chocolate and she is always beinging the shit over he he he
    Sounds like you have a playfull relationship which is probably pretty good.
    But you should get to point where she is like her body is yours to do what you want with.
    After you get her 10 bars be like whose body is that mine right.
    She be like yea.
    Then continue that until it really is your body.
    But yea again practice touching her till she loobs just thinking about you.

    Nichnames shit yea my woman got like a million fucking names she don’t even know wtf her name is anymore.
    he he he

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  40. No she was distinctly sober. That came up in a later text, as well as an explanation why (and she noted she told many times that night).

    So you believe her because she told you?

    Why did she tell you she was sober so many times? “The lady doth protest too much, me thinks.”

    Even if she’s telling the truth, part of your education requires you to learn the rules before breaking them. Rule: “Never take a woman on her word.”

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  41. emailer #2 missed a few days of grammar school.

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  42. @Doug1
    However the analysis and frame were wrong. Yes she was “just being playful” but she was also shit testing you and playing for hand. She was in fact maneuvering to make you provide for her, in at first a trivial way. Watch that grow if you don’t nip it in the bud.

    Doug1 is right. That has to be stopped right away. Always maintain hand.

    What you should have said is you don’t like having sex with hookers. Even when their price is a few candy bars and they’re really inexpensive, cheap little whores. All said with a smirk.

    I like this. On the other hand, be playful. Say:

    I didn’t know you were that kind of girl. In that case, (toss chocolate down on floor). Bend over.

    That actually works, by the way. Lots of women drip when you treat them like a proper whore.

    Women who complain about this have never had it from a proper alpha.

    As far as I’m concerned girls in relationships should never withhold sex from their man. Now if I really can’t get her in the mood I’m not likely to want it myself, but she knows she has to give it if I require it. It’s her duty in being with me, as well as her joy. That’s the traditional frame and the right frame. Screw chivalry and screw American feminism. D/s.

    Last sentence: you got it.

    BTW, even feminists love it when you itch chivalry and feminism. They fuck much more happily.

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  43. FF

    I was being pretty cocky-funny Saturday night. I distinctly remember when I met her at the bar a GF of hers tried to CB and I gently made fun of her, everyone laughed, then she got all sheepish and left us alone. I also recall I was generally calling the girl out on her shit-tests. She kept trying assert herself over me, giving me a raised eyebrow look at some ridiculous story of mine and each time I was able to turn things around to make her feel prudish while I was just having a good time. And she’d end up fighting back a smile, I’d point it out, and she’d drop the act, and start giggling or something (I remember this because I found it quite cute).

    This part sounds vastly better than your text messaging and in alpha territory.

    You have to care less than her, get her to chase. Yet at the same time the social convention still is that you initially pursue her, ask her out, etc. That’s where the art of game comes in.

    All in all what you should do is text not call her in the furthest out window she gave. Real brief txt, like “hey you.” Be devil may care, willing to explore her. Giving her a chance. Not desperately seeking her willingness to see you again.

    Let her come back with text. Don’t under any circumstances follow up if she doesn’t come back to you. Not for a week at least. She’ll right away or eventually get back to you if she’s interested and if it’s a free moment for her. It’s ok to get on the phone then but be brief, setting a time and place to meet. Don’t apologize for lame prior texts whatever you do.

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  44. on August 9, 2010 at 4:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Ptk
    love the chocolate story…

    that guy clearly didn’t understand the girl was being playful.

    what is so hard about buying a chocolate bar..

    rofl its not a shit test.. hahah”””””’

    No no it most definetly was a shit test.

    Then next it is buy me a car or no sex.

    Buy me bla bla or no sex.

    Eat this turd or no sex.

    lol

    He passed.

    But yea he could get her some spontaneous chocolate for the fuck of it he he he

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  45. @ Doug1 and Gorbacachev

    The chocolate thing is technically a shittest for sure, however it is still playful and a great setup for jokes, fun and eventually hand and sex.

    Skillfully handling a shittest with agility almost always leads to laughter and fun with the girl. As long as she keeps setting them up and youre knocking em down, its fun for both. You also increasing your attractiveness in the process.

    Its like when two guys who are old friends get into a ripping contest where they go back and forth insulting each other… technically you are both insulting each other and maybe power is established, but if both guys are funny and witty and throw some hilarious zingers, its a good time for all.

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  46. on August 9, 2010 at 4:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    I think making it funny and making fun of the shit test is the best way to pass them. Even if you had to go hard.
    Later on it will give you a story to laugh about. Because life is just funny even when it is deadly serious.

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  47. ce to be.

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  48. Email 1:

    The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist.

    Calling what she did a “couch stunt” shows that you’ve taken offense when for all you know, she could have just not felt like having sex. I thought it was common knowledge that men have high sex drives, and that implies that your gf might not be in the mood as often as you are. Throwing her out says, “If you don’t want to have sex with me when I want it, I don’t want you around at all.” Although I hope it would at least make it clear to the girl that she’s just the “hot 18 year old” he’s “fucking” so she can find a decent non-psycho guy.

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  49. @Mike, Doug:

    Thanks dudes. I was sort of thinking I had the “basics” down and uncritically overlooking a lot of the shit you pointed out, surely a dangerous place to be.

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  50. on August 9, 2010 at 4:15 pm greatbooksformen

    GBFM rule # 2728287

    if ya gona sleep on my couch, first my cock gonna sleep in your couchy couch. den you can get up outta my bed and go sleep on my couchso i can spread eagle and own my bed like a manlzozlzozlzlzozlzozozozlzzo

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  51. The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist.

    hey princess, why don’t you go lock yourself in a hello kitty tower and shut the fuck up. it’s obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about, so keep quiet and let the grownups talk.

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  52. Great stuff Roissy, just great stuff. Keep up the great work.

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  53. @Gorb said “BTW, even feminists love it when you itch chivalry and feminism. They fuck much more happily.”

    I think we just all like attention. That’s usually why girls shit-test or act out.

    PAY ATTENTION TO ME.

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  54. on August 9, 2010 at 4:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Sniper
    Email 1:

    The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist.

    Calling what she did a “couch stunt” shows that you’ve taken offense when for all you know, she could have just not felt like having sex. I thought it was common knowledge that men have high sex drives, and that implies that your gf might not be in the mood as often as you are. Throwing her out says, “If you don’t want to have sex with me when I want it, I don’t want you around at all.” Although I hope it would at least make it clear to the girl that she’s just the “hot 18 year old” he’s “fucking” so she can find a decent non-psycho guy.
    ”””””””’
    lol him kicking her out now to you makes him into a date rapist omfg that is the most retarded shit in the world.

    A girl that feels like not having sex with you after you have alread had sex and you like having sex the girl is not the one for you.
    Get with the program sniper.

    Or lets say he picks her up and she doesn’t like that either then again kick that ass to curb and get another woman your actually sexually compatible with.

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  55. @ Sniper

    Profoundly misguided, as usual—but I guess it’s progress that Sniper is addressing the actual substance of the post & email, as opposed to her typical resort to strawmanship and intellectual dishonesty.

    Truly a woman of her time.

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  56. (Sorry this is OT)
    Hey, look at what i found. You guy’s gf’s and wives would like this because as females, they are probably vain.

    It’s a face analyzer. Tells you what’s wrong or ideal with your face and then rates it.

    http://apps.atamagroup.com/face/

    What scores did you get? It works on guys too.

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  57. FF here again. Okay, I’m gonna more or less do what Doug1 said at x:03.

    I’m now feeling more skeptical of my text message game (I knew that first thing was weak, but I had no idea how weak).

    Here is the follow up exchange, last night:

    ***********

    ME: well her cheerfulness… Feeling better?

    HER (immdiately): Haha, I’ve felt fine all day. Sober remember? Watchin’ a movie with Mum. How are you?

    ME (an hour later): Now that you mention it I do remember. And it slightly scares me… not sure if you noticed but i was NOT sober last night. So a little tired.

    HER (immediately): Haha, I do recall. It was a busy day walking about so I’m going to bed. Get some sleep and you’ll feel better 🙂 G’night

    ME (immediately): nite nite. btw i wanna get together again. So when are you free?

    HER (immediately): Alrighty, perhaps Weds or Thurs evening? Have a good sleep!

    ME (the next morning): Sounds good… Uh ill call or text tonight or tomorrow… Is anytime particularly good/bad to get ahold of you? I’m done working at 6ish eaxh day

    HER (90 minutes later): Tonight anytime before 6:30, I work at 7pm…until 7am, tomorrow don’t call before 5pm because I’ll be asleep 🙂 ! and work again in the night.

    *****************

    That was several hours ago, I’ve not replied and probably won’t. My take on that is “nite nite” is beta sounding, and my 3rd text is sort of stupid. But other than that nothing jumps out at me. Anyone wanna shed some more light?

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  58. I have always loved it when men gave me nicknames, although some of them weren’t always too flattering.

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  59. Oh, and my second last text is beta (asking “when to call” sounds weak)…?

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  60. I is likely that first girl may like his brother also. When I’ve liked a man I usually also like his father, brothers and sons just because they remind me of him.

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  61. Showgirl? Puss n Boobs? Tits Ahoy? Twinkletits?

    Seriously?!

    Why would any respectable woman want to be called fuckin puss and boobs?

    What happened to babe, peaches, cuddles, pookie or all the other more normal names?

    Sure, they might not be as “personal” as twinkletits (and BTW, does that mean her tits pee or something, seriously?) but at least it won’t make your friends cringe if they accidentally overheard you calling your girl their nickname.

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  62. FF–

    Oh and don’t take her to dinner for your first date. It’s particularly bad because she’s a working professional and you’re a grad student. But CR’s right that dinner dates are a lousy first date following pickup.

    Since your first meeting involved you semi and then quite drunk, take her to some activity you might light to explore. A summer carnival, a daytime quest for disused and picturesque canals, whatever. If you then end up eating someplace, that’s fine. Has a different feel to it.

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  63. Sniper,
    When you were 18 years old do you ever remember not being in the mood with someone you were attracted to? She was playing games or she now likes his brother better.

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  64. May not be related. Just some thoughts.

    Whether it be characteristics of betas or alphas, both modus operandi can be effective. The keys is to know when to use what set of traits; to whom; where and how to optimize your chances. To remain fluid and flexible between both beta and alpha traits is important. Possessing both B & A qualities can be an effective balance.

    It’s not what you have but it’s the application that counts.

    Bruce Lee said, “BE WATER”

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  65. @FF

    I wouldn’t worry too much about exact phrases or words. I think “Nite Nite” and the like is pretty gay, but whatever. She spent time with you and liked you, and there’s no way you’re gonna reinvent your personality by the time this date takes place and keep it up throughout the date, so just stick to being yourself.

    Your def doing too much permission asking and questioning yourself… but it seems to be working. Turns out she did have a quirky schedule. Don’t keep doing this though.

    I would def not call today. Let as much time pass as possible. Also have a plan as to what day YOU want to go out… dont give her a “Wed or Thursday is fine” , pick a day and then ask her. – Indefinite plans can be the final straw that leads her to flake

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  66. ff,

    dude, your text game has the reak of desperation about it.

    there’s two things you should remember. one: in the sexual marketplace men trade status for beauty and women trade beauty for status. the other: in relationships between men and women, men trade attention for compliace and women trade compliance for attention.

    what should that tell you? first of all, most of your actions are betraying that you are of lower status than she is. if she really is a 9, why does she want to waste her time on some beta dude. obviously, there was something about you that she found attractive the first time, but you’ve kind of wasted all the alpha currency you built up the first night. the second point is that you’re paying her an awful lot of attention and she hasn’t really shown any compliace. one of the ways you demonstrate value is by not being so damn eager. your efforts to pin her down to a certain time just confirm her beta suspicions about you.

    remember, never contact her in less time than it took for her to get back to you. and never answer her with more words than she used in the first place. a good rule is twice as much time and half as many words.

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  67. on August 9, 2010 at 5:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course I still talk cuddly talk with my woman so uh yea guys might not think that was alpha he he he

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  68. take her to some activity you might light to explore

    This is key, here’s why.

    If I am going out, she is accompanying me. I am not planning a date for her. There’s a difference.

    E.g., the nearby museum is doing a showing on Thursday. I want to attend. So my text will be,

    “Going to MOMA at 7. Join me?” (There is always more than one girl, so you can text several. )

    Point is, I am not planning anything for her. I am doing what I normally do – and giving her the pleasure of experiencing it with me.

    Women can sense the difference. And, attracting women aside, it’s a more fulfilling way to live my life.

    I was in a very LTR. I would always compromise. My free time no longer belonged to me.

    Now, I do what I want to do. If a given chick wants to join me, cool. If not, “Next!”

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  69. @ Laura – I agree with you. Further, #1 mail’s girl was aiming to please. She folded his laundry and cleaned his house. Then she slept on the couch? Obviously something changed. I don’t have the whole story, but I would be rather upset if I cleaned my boyfriend’s house and did not receive a thank you for it.

    (Disclaimer: This is different than a wife, especially stay at home, expecting daily praise. But even, then, why not? In Spanish we say “Que te cuesta”? What does it cost you? It’s my husband’s “duty” to provide for me, but I still thank him. It’s my job to cook, but he still thanks me. Politeness doesn’t equal beta. Just that you were raised properly.)

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  70. Dream Puppy:

    female here, 8.87.

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  71. @Guns- OMG talking cuddly is the best. And I don’t care what all you nascent alphas say….just like every woman wants to be dominated, ever man wants to be babied and spoiled.
    Sorry guys, you also have your achilles heel.

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  72. FF–

    This text:

    ME (immediately): nite nite. btw i wanna get together again. So when are you free

    Would be better as simply:

    Sleep tight. When are you free to get together?

    Assume the sale. You did assume it in what you wrote but felt you had to explain yourself and soften it first.

    Also your answering nite nite had it’s good sides, which was more important than its sounding a bit cutsy for so early in knowing her. She was saying she wanted to end the convo with her g’night, and your first response was signaling that you were gonna quickly let her go, which was good.

    This stuff is complicated as a set or rules but it’s simple a set of feelings, once you fully get the hang of it. You MUST act less needy than she is for the developing relationship.

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  73. Dream Puppy–

    just like every woman wants to be dominated, ever man wants to be babied and spoiled.
    Sorry guys, you also have your achilles heel.

    True.

    And isn’t it delightful when a man and his woman get into that grove together?

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  74. @Doug Yes! The best.

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  75. @Sniper

    As always, you regale us with your predictability. How wonderful!

    And the de rigeur shaming language is so comfortingly familiar.

    The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist.

    Not only is he a dweeb for being blue-balled and wanting sex with the girl (meaning all men are dweebs – very useful insult! Like a shotgun – useful for everyone!), he becomes dangerous by forcing her out or complaining?

    Please.
    Then you throw out date-rapist.

    Look, girl, if you’re going to toss that around like a badminton birdie, make sure referee knows how to call it.

    Because it sounds an awful lot like an “exaggerate and silence” tactic.

    Calling what she did a “couch stunt” shows that you’ve taken offense when for all you know, she could have just not felt like having sex. I thought it was common knowledge that men have high sex drives, and that implies that your gf might not be in the mood as often as you are.

    News to you: lots of women have high sex drives, with the right men. Often the same woman with different men will be horny almost all the time with one, and barely ever with another.

    Throwing her out says, “If you don’t want to have sex with me when I want it, I don’t want you around at all.” Although I hope it would at least make it clear to the girl that she’s just the “hot 18 year old” he’s “fucking” so she can find a decent non-psycho guy.</I.

    Psycho, right?

    Another shaming/ extreme insult.

    The real problem is the guy has no hand and no idea how to use it. She should be begging him to pound her.

    His entire attitude is just wrong.

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  76. Dream Puppy,
    It is very likely she was upset by something. I wonder if he was a jerk to her when he got back. At 18 I would not have willing slept on the couch. This is totally different than a wife who very likely would not be in the mood.
    I agree with you that since she isn’t his wife and he isn’t supporting her he should have shown more gratitude for her straightening his apartment and folding his laundry. I am a housewife and I still expect a little appreciation once in a while. I also know I need to give it too.

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  77. on August 9, 2010 at 5:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’Dream Puppy
    @Guns- OMG talking cuddly is the best. And I don’t care what all you nascent alphas say….just like every woman wants to be dominated, ever man wants to be babied and spoiled.
    Sorry guys, you also have your achilles heel.
    ””””’

    I am being being babied and spoiled rotten lol

    Soon I won’t even want to take over the world.

    It is sick. But yea pretty cool.

    he he he

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  78. @Laura
    Sniper,
    When you were 18 years old do you ever remember not being in the mood with someone you were attracted to? She was playing games or she now likes his brother better.

    Sniper lives in a fantasy world; and she prefers easily controlled beta males. They’re safer and less interesting. She likes to be the interesting one. Check out her blog: she’s a narcissist to defeat the most self-assured alpha.

    God forbid she would let anything shake the ethereally stable foundations upon which she’s anchored her fanciful world.

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  79. on August 9, 2010 at 5:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course I am still realistic I do have to get the money right in order to be able to continue the gravy train at insane levels of endorfins.

    So guys definetly work your money game as well I mean it is a big part. I have all day right now to work my ltr game because I worked my money game.

    When I work my money game some more.

    I will literally have all the time in the world to work my ltr game ho game and raising kids game.

    So yea not bad if you have loot.

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  80. How about …

    For #1, walking out in the morning and seeing her on the couch. Don’t say a word. You’re too busy to talk. Fuck her in the most “she’s a piece of meat” way. Don’t take off her clothes if possible. If she’s got shorts on just pull to one side. Pull out and come on her clothes. Make it no different than feeding the dog or shaving. Leave. You don’t give a shit. Don’t call.

    #2 Get Chocolate, but not what she’s thinking. Chocolate sauce. Without warning the first thing when you see her in private dump it on her tits or down the back of her pants. Immediately stick your face in it. Then smear it all over her. Make a mess. Fuck her good. This should be at the most inconvenient time for her. Don’t worry about the clothes, that’s what the cleaner is for.

    Thoughts?

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  81. Sniper:

    Often the same woman with different men will be horny almost all the time with one, and barely ever with another.

    What Gorbachev seems to be saying here is that the boyfriend presumably recognises her patterns and normal reactions to him.

    She either got turned off by his unfamiliar behaviour or restrained herself to punish or test him.

    I theorise that most women who think they have low sex drives haven’t been seduced properly yet, or allowed themselves to be. Which could explain the prevalent thought that older women have higher sex drives, in a way that doesn’t seem to be correlated to their hormonal development.

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  82. If I came home and my GF had cleaned my house, my response upon walking in would be to pick her up in my arms, kiss her thoroughly, carry her to bed, give her a couple of orgasms, and then go grab something to eat with her.

    Perhaps this was what she was hoping for, and was pissed that she didn’t get it.

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  83. Doug:

    Curious about Email #1, I’m not sure if I have a handle about what’s going on with her mentally… if he didn’t ask for sex, is it sex denying? Rejection may have been part of the narrative in her head, no? “Well, hmph, he doesn’t want me and he’s drunk anyway, so I’m just going to stay on this couch!”

    The whole younger brother thing does sound suspicious.


    ‘Course you’d recommend a course of action that would involve chocolate denying!

    No chocolate for me now 😥

    No chocolate forevaaa?

    Sadist!

    Sniper:
    [copy of this comment in moderation]

    Often the same woman with different men will be horny almost all the time with one, and barely ever with another.

    What Gorbachev seems to be saying here is that the boyfriend presumably recognises her patterns and normal reactions to him.

    She either got turned off by his unfamiliar behaviour or restrained herself to punish or test him.

    I theorise that most women who think they have low sex drives haven’t been seduced properly yet, or allowed themselves to be. Which could explain the prevalent thought that older women have higher sex drives, in a way that doesn’t seem to be correlated to their hormonal development.

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  84. Noted gentleman, thanks.

    Touching on what Mike said:

    “If I am going out, she is accompanying me. I am not planning a date for her. There’s a difference.”

    Okay. The chick specifically mentioned “night” regarding which days she was free. There’s nothing I really want to do at night involving her and “date activities”.

    What I’m more comfortable with is hiking/swimming/beach/driving off in some direction/etc. during the day. Would it be a good course of action to just propose one of the above, and then if she’s busy (or declines) give her a “some other time” and wait for her to contact me next?

    In an unrelated note, it’s striking to me no one has read anything into her “G’night” at the end of one message, and then the next one saying “sleep good” at the end. I interpreted that as a light form of rejection (as in, her really wanting to conversation to end). Which must be a very subtle example of the beta-ness still clouding my thoughts.

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  85. Email 1 seems very passive-aggressive. If we assume that the guy is at least somewhat older than the 18-year-old (or why would he bother to note the fact), he should nip his passive-aggression habit in the bud.

    I don’t necessarily think that she’s testing you because “she knows what she did.” That’s very female logic, don’t you think? Very “well you should KNOW what you did wrong so I’m not going to tell you.”

    Very not sexy.

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  86. “Has Ross Douthat been reading you, or at least Roger Devlin?

    Nor is lifelong heterosexual monogamy obviously natural in the way that most Americans understand the term. If “natural” is defined to mean “congruent with our biological instincts,” it’s arguably one of the more unnatural arrangements imaginable. In crudely Darwinian terms, it cuts against both the male impulse toward promiscuity and the female interest in mating with the highest-status male available.

    That Weekly Standard article by Charlotte Allen may have been the gateway drug to the world of game for a lot of mainstream conservatives. Anyway, we know Ross secretly reads a lot of beyond the pale right wing stuff like Steve Sailer.”

    or they could just be reading many other mainstream journals like the Economist or any of the popular science books out about the polygamy/hypergamy model

    this stuff isn’t exactly a well-kept secret. the recent book called Sex at Dawn seems already to be a reaction to the polygamy/hypergamy model (tho it appears to be a pretty crappy book)

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  87. Michael: Yes, the rejection narrative. She was being a good girl and got ‘you kids have fun!’

    So if you don’t get rewarded for being a good girl…

    … what options are left?

    This is the first time he’s making her chase in this context, and he didn’t make it clear to her that’s what she was supposed to do. It could have been interpreted as a ‘join me if you want to’, or as a rejection. If he’s had hand so far, the latter isn’t to be excluded, especially since she worked hard to please earlier.

    I don’t know.

    Esteri: Passive aggressive is very annoying, in any gender. I’m glad that at least he’s self-aware that he pulled passive aggressive.

    I love outright anger, even if it’s a little out of control. You say what was wrong, it’s out on the table and we can deal with it, one way or another. It doesn’t simmer.

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  88. @Bhetti,

    I theorise that most women who think they have low sex drives haven’t been seduced properly yet, or allowed themselves to be. Which could explain the prevalent thought that older women have higher sex drives, in a way that doesn’t seem to be correlated to their hormonal development.

    You’re exactly right, in my opinion.

    There’s a shockingly large number of women over 30 who haven’t even experienced an orgasm (not a huge number, but anything above .0001% is shocking; my experience says about 5-7%).

    And as for being properly seduced, …

    That’s almost illegal now.

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  89. Bhetti–

    Yeah he handled her completely wrong the night before.

    First of all he should have praised her for picking up his place for him, etc. Then hanging out while they were gaming was fine.

    Then instead of just going off to bed, and then coming back out in a bathrobe or whatever and this:

    After finishing her food, she reclined back on the couch. I gave her one more chance, “you kiddies don’t stay up too late.” and went into my room and crashed.

    What he should have done is used a nickname for her like:

    Snookie, it’s bedtime.

    As a kind of of cocky order.

    THEN if she didn’t comply, and sleeps on the couch, freeze her out in the am.

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  90. emailer#2 does not seem very smart. You’ve been sleeping with her for months. And you’re wondering what sort of a shit test this choloclate thing is. Just buy her some chocolate already! You can’t be serious about this shit. Some things are simple. she’s just being playful. She’s saying it ‘cos she has to say something. somet hings don’t mean anything. Buy her some chocolate and stop being such a chod. God! what a moron. How the hell did he start sleeping with her in the first place? Probably made up the whole story about her being an 8 as well as the situation

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  91. FF,

    Had to step in here. Doug1 and Gorbachev are giving spot on advice (for the most part), but if you’re writing out those texts word for word, you need to pay more attention.

    She has near perfect spelling and grammar.

    Which means she cares about how she presents herself, at least textually. She’s not lazy, she’s got something that at least resembles a brain. You aren’t matching her. You’re going below her level.

    And, yeah, I’m sure some guys are going to argue that showing you don’t care about your text presentation is showing you simply don’t care, which is alpha behavior.

    But most girls want someone above them, physically, mentally, socially. It’s what we do, what gets us wanting.

    We don’t have body language in text, so the next best thing, in my opinion, is mirroring writing ability and matching rhythm, pacing, length, if you can.

    The texts you are sending… no. They don’t qualify compared to hers. The “YUMMY” bit is cute and feminine, as is the “nite nite”. Erratic capitalization, dropping of apostrophes, ellipses noting hesitation instead of demand.

    I had a guy pick me up in a bar across the street from my place earlier this year. Solid 8, great game, perfect pull. He said he was at the bar often, I was running solo at the time, so I figured that maybe I’d found my few times a week casual lay. Gave him my number… and then the texts. Perfectly fine vaguely alphaish behavior, he knew what he was doing, but I could not get past his text-speak.

    Goddamn anal of me, I know. Most girls wouldn’t care.

    This one looks like she would.

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  92. FF: Have you seen these texts and accompanying analysis?

    She should be asking what time is good for you, you should be the first one to dismiss her. I admit interpreting the ‘g’night’ the same way.

    I mean if she was really into you, who cares about sleep?

    At this early stage, you’re creating sexual tension. Teasing her. Continuing that banter you had on first meeting. If you were calling her a prude, you could extend that into a challenge for her to come up with something fun and prove to you that she isn’t a stuffed shirt.

    I’ll defer to the sexperts here on how to play it next. Don’t ever be boring, though. Live up to the promise in your profile.

    Doug:

    *giggle* snookie. */giggle*

    That would’ve been much better. I think he misinterpreted the signals he was sending.

    Pretty difficult to be aware of what you’re doing when you’re drunk, isn’t it?

    Gorbachev:
    As evidenced by numerous ‘But I love him’ bruised women everywhere, what’s illegal is only what she decides to prosecute for.

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  93. on August 9, 2010 at 6:47 pm gerald winston

    Don’t mess with those young 18 year old girls. Stick to women who are grown. Girls are too fickle and they will leave you once they actually grow up. I’m stuck with 2 young kids while she up and left when she turned 26 and started over with some young buck. She doesn’t even care about our sons and I have no idea where she even lives. I’m devastated and now I’m a lonely single dad and I am all on my own trying to juggle kids, gardening, work, cooking, cleaning and I do not even have time for dating. I am broke and barely making it month to month man.

    never ever ever again

    I am so damned depressed. I should have stuck with my first wife but she has moved on into a happy marriage and I’m totally fucked.

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  94. FF-
    Have you ever even read Roissy on text game? This is the last part of game you should be fucking up since you have all the time in the world to think about what you’re putting out there. Quit babbling. Keep it to VERY few words. You’ve already been LJBF’d, you just don’t know it yet.

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  95. on August 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””I had a guy pick me up in a bar across the street from my place earlier this year. Solid 8, great game, perfect pull. He said he was at the bar often, I was running solo at the time, so I figured that maybe I’d found my few times a week casual lay. Gave him my number… and then the texts. Perfectly fine vaguely alphaish behavior, he knew what he was doing, but I could not get past his text-speak.

    Goddamn anal of me, I know. Most girls wouldn’t care.

    This one looks like she would.

    ”””””’
    Well yea for you he should have been fucking you that night. Perfect pull is fucking that night. No texting needed. No phone calls. You already own the bitch.

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  96. FF:

    “mum”. I didn’t think Americans used this. Is this an English lass?

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  97. “some other time”

    That phrase is too certain. It implies that you’ll be around some other time. You don’t want to have her thinking this way, since then she views you as a rain check. Maybe you’ll be around, maybe not. Maybe.

    Instead:
    * “All good.”
    * “That’s cool.”
    * Or, one of my favorites, “OK.”

    I use “OK” for almost anything. Girls hate it. “What do you mean, ‘OK’?!”

    The easiest solution to the problem, however, is getting lots of numbers. When you have a lot of numbers, all of this stuff is natural. You simply are too busy to plan too many things in advance. You’ll flake without trying to. You’ll just double-book.

    I prefer short-term texts on them. “Let’s meet for drinks tonight.” If she says no, who cares. There are many others.

    So, overall, you need to stop focusing on this one chick and already be focusing on getting numbers and moving in on other chicks.

    A woman is not a full-time job (unless you lose, and get married). There’s enough time for many, and having many inherently devalues any given one – which is how you keep the power in the relationships you do choose to remain in.

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  98. Regarding email #2, the “No chocolate, no sex!” line is a definite test of Alphaness.

    The distinguishing difference between an Alpha and a Beta is that women give pussy to Alphas for free, but Betas have to pay for it. The payment might be dinner, it might be paying the rent, or it might be cash on the dresser, but the women make the Betas pay. Whereas with an Alpha, the sex (and being seen as the Alpha’s woman) is its own reward. Some women will even pay the Alpha’s expenses just to have him around.

    My response would be “I have a policy against dealing with women who ask for payment for sex. If that’s what you are now, you need to find somebody else willing to be your john.”

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  99. @Thursday
    Given the Darwinian incentives for males to mate with many women (and to exclude other males from mating with them) and the Darwinian incentives for females to mate with the highest quality males, how polyamoury becomes anything other than informal polygamy with only a few males getting the lion’s share of the pussy is never explained. That’s how it’s always ends up working in free love communes. Anyway, Africa has something close to a polyamourous model for mating. How well that has worked out for them.?

    Thursday, you’re missing the point.

    Feminists will read this and say, … so?

    Sounds great!

    You don’t get it. This is what they want.

    *This is what they want*.

    The one wish all women have: They want the best males. What happens to the rest is irrelevant. If they simply ceased to exist (which genetically is what would happen), then all the better.

    The women don’t need them. They’re useless.

    They only want the best males. The rest just need to be, …

    Controlled and used.

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  100. on August 9, 2010 at 6:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””’gerald winston
    Don’t mess with those young 18 year old girls. Stick to women who are grown. Girls are too fickle and they will leave you once they actually grow up. I’m stuck with 2 young kids while she up and left when she turned 26 and started over with some young buck. She doesn’t even care about our sons and I have no idea where she even lives. I’m devastated and now I’m a lonely single dad and I am all on my own trying to juggle kids, gardening, work, cooking, cleaning and I do not even have time for dating. I am broke and barely making it month to month man.

    never ever ever again

    I am so damned depressed. I should have stuck with my first wife but she has moved on into a happy marriage and I’m totally fucked.
    ””””

    Whaa your in good position you get to raise your kids how you want. Just get with your parents if you have them. They should be happy to help raise some grandkids for a bit. Work yourself to death for a bit and save loot. Then raise your kids how you see fit and work your game. Or work your game get chicky to help and work yourself half to death save money.
    Either way work yourself half to death and save loot.
    Then chill.

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  101. Bhetti,

    I agree that passive-aggression in either gender is not cool. However, it’s an especially unsexy thing from men. Not as bad from women, mostly because guys expect that sort of under-the-surface tension to exist at least part of the time.

    I am fairly certain that there was no problem in her mind until he started bitching about it in the morning. Women are testing men all the time, but this doesn’t seem like was one of those times. If anything, this guy’s case is an example of what happens when you read this blog and try to apply everything you see to your life, literally.

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  102. *sigh* You people are sad. It’s not even worth responding to you kids one-by-one since you’re all part of the same echo chamber.

    I never said he WAS a date rapist for kicking her out (and you accuse me of strawmanning? lawl). I said that he has the attitude of someone who could be a date rapist. “I am entitled to sex because we had sex before, if you won’t sex me then get the fuck out,” is alarming, abusive and demeaning. I hope that girl is safe from someone like that.

    And if it’s true that in the best case scenario, a woman is “almost always” attracted to the right man, well, who is to say this wasn’t one of those rare occasions that she didn’t feel like it? Maybe she was on her period?

    I thought men were logical? Oh wait, you all have low IQs haha. 😛

    For the record, all of my boyfriends are some of the most fascinating, hilarious, adorable, well-rounded and genuinely good people I’ve met in my life. That’s why they got me! Unlike most of you lonely losers~ 😀

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  103. on August 9, 2010 at 6:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    That shit happened to my uncle was left with kids by asian chick and then got another asian chick. Still together. He is retired from army now and finished nursing career and has loot. Getting the kids best thing for a man from what I have seen.
    No probs.
    Kids turned out good.

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  104. The distinguishing difference between an Alpha and a Beta is that women give pussy to Alphas for free, but Betas have to pay for it.

    Perfect. (And if you’re really good, you can find a doctor or lawyer pay you for the cock.)

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  105. Gorbachev:

    If they simply ceased to exist (which genetically is what would happen), then all the better.

    Whenever the figure of 80% f gens versus 40% m genes are passed on gets trotted out, I think… well, surely that means then, roughly in purely genetic terms, most men alive have alpha potential?

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  106. Doug,

    Yeah he handled her completely wrong the night before.

    Yeah, but since he did handle her wrong (being drunk probably didn’t help) the night before, he probably should have cut the passive-aggressive freeze-out in the morning.

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  107. FF–

    Mike–So, overall, you need to stop focusing on this one chick and already be focusing on getting numbers and moving in on other chicks.

    Yeah and even if you DO only have this one chick going at the time, pretend and act like you’re seeing others.

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  108. Whaa your in good position you get to raise your kids how you want.

    Exactly. If I were to raise children, I’d much rather do so as a single father than with some woman nagging us/sucking the joy out of life.

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  109. on August 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm gerald winston

    Thank you for the words of encouragement. I’m probably looking at my situation all wrong.

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  110. Sure, they might not be as “personal” as twinkletits (and BTW, does that mean her tits pee or something, seriously?) but at least it won’t make your friends cringe if they accidentally overheard you calling your girl their nickname.

    Where’s GBFM when you need him? Oh well;

    To paraphrase GBFM:

    well, liek chix thes days r like tda urinals rite, ;they hav been desould by de bernankd fiat cash nd r useful for mostly their biological functions lzolzzz for lotsa da cocka… lzolllzzzz!!!! jus tlike a urinals lzolzzz!!!!!!

    or to actually quote him:

    any effort in strying to get cum dumpster to take your cum is wayyyyyyy too much effort.

    i mean do you try to get dumpsters to take your garbage by talkng to them and negging them?

    do you go up to a dumpster and say, You have a… different… sense of humor/sense of style/way of looking at the world.”

    do you talk to the dumpster out back and say, “You have a quirky personality. I have a friend — he’s been single a while; I guess he’s picky — who would totally get you.” before you throw the trash in it?

    do you talk you urinals before you relieve yourself in them?

    cumming is a biological function, like peeing.

    do you say this to a urinal, “This is a pleasant surprise. You’re winning me over?”

    do you guys neg urinals so as to get them to accept your pee?

    lozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzlzl!

    lozlzlzlzlzllooooooozeers!!!

    lozlzlzl!!

    i just took a piss in a urinal and implied my higher value with these eloquent words, ““You’re not like most urinals. You seem like you want to know about me more than you want to talk about yourself.””

    See, TinkleTits is an appropriate nickname for a woman after all!

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  111. on August 9, 2010 at 7:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Guy gets kids and kids taught to be hard and self-reliant.

    Woman gets kids and kids taught to be bitches and beg for things from daddy government and welfare and beg for money from former daddy and how to use people and cause pain.

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  112. Sniper:
    You’ve never engaged in any kind of sexual activity on your period?


    For the record, all of my boyfriends are some of the most fascinating, hilarious, adorable, well-rounded and genuinely good people I’ve met in my life.

    How many? They all dumped you? You dumped them even though they were awesomeness?

    Or are you keeping them all?

    I’m genuinely trying to understand.

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  113. Thursday–

    Given the Darwinian incentives for males to mate with many women (and to exclude other males from mating with them) and the Darwinian incentives for females to mate with the highest quality males, how polyamoury becomes anything other than informal polygamy with only a few males getting the lion’s share of the pussy is never explained. That’s how it’s always ends up working in free love communes.

    From what I can tell what really tends to happen in Polyamorous communities is a kind of complicated shared cuckoldry. Women usually go in with provider beta husbands or bf’s and hold on to them by giving them a little sex and a lot of cuddles (and receiving oral sex from them) while their real sex interest is as you say in an alpha male or a few shared ones. That’s who they WANT screwing them. It’s usually women pushing polyamory and they usually obfuscate the hell out of it to outsiders, particularly outside couples and men they’re trying to lure in.

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  114. on August 9, 2010 at 7:10 pm Markku Koponen

    Exactly what I was thinking, too. Being a single father is perhaps not the absolute best situation – that would be having an obedient and loving wife – but it is considerably better than average. You can have an actual impact with your life, you can raise your kids right.

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  115. Guns,

    “Well yea for you he should have been fucking you that night. Perfect pull is fucking that night. No texting needed. No phone calls. You already own the bitch.”

    The pull was perfect. The game was fine.

    But, in my experience, if you want to hit that middle ground between ONS and relationship with someone you just met, you have to hold out for a few mellow dates.

    That way they know you aren’t “easy” and “devaluing yourself”, but you’re still not “worth dating”.

    Which means I don’t have to worry about them getting all emotionally entangled so I don’t have to do an uncomfortable extraction later and lose a good regular lay.

    It’s not rocket science.

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  116. Esteri–

    he probably should have cut the passive-aggressive freeze-out in the morning.

    Passive aggressive is never attractive in a man. It’s not in a woman either, but it’s far more off putting in a man. It’s a weak, unskilled move for the partner with less hand in a relationship. It’s consumately beta in a man.

    Freezing her out isn’t being passive aggressive. Getting pissy about her behavior is however. Either get cold or get stern/angry. Never pissy.

    She still shouldn’t have slept on the couch. That was passive aggressive on her part. Even if she was selfishly wanting to play the game more than have sex with him she should have at least slept in the same bed if she’s a good girlfriend.

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  117. bhetti

    Sniper:
    You’ve never engaged in any kind of sexual activity on your period?

    have you engaged in any kind of sexual activity on your period?

    How many? They all dumped you? You dumped them even though they were awesomeness?

    Or are you keeping them all?

    I’m genuinely trying to understand.

    interesting, bhetti, how you’re so interested in the sexual lives/relationships of other girls. care to enlighten the board on how sexually experienced you are?

    i’m genuinely trying to understand.

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  118. PS,

    I met a guy who lived in a free-love commune in the 1970’s. Old guy, charming, bit of a spazz.

    He was into all kinds of weird shit, man. Like check out the guys who make TV, man. Brainwaves, the alpha brainwaves help calm us all down. That’s why crime rates are so low, man. Check it out, it’s coming out of the TV, man!

    Anyway, he said that he lived in a free-love commune out west (Washington? Oregon?). He was there for years, even as it broke down (“People don’t do shit, man, just sit around and wait for the Man to tell them what to do. Especially dudes.”)

    One thing he said:

    There were about 60 women. Lots of kids. And there were rotating men: about 15 of the males were there from the beginning, but the rest of the men came, stayed for a little while, then left.

    I asked why.

    He said: Because they didn’t get any pussy, man. Ain’t going to hang around if there ain’t no pussy.

    The 15-20 guys were doing all the fucking. For all of the women. I’d bet that some of them did even more: I’ll bet the top 5-10 were in high demand.

    I asked about the kids – and he said no-one was the father. They were raised by everyone.

    Sounds like the Utopian feminist fantasies.

    He was one of the “main” males. He told me it all fell apart in a hail of acrimony and hate: the original money ran out, they started living off the land like peasants, everything decayed, and people bailed to find anything like a decent life.

    He said a lot of the women were really pissed. They were angry they were left holding the bag for the kids, while the men jumped ship. The core men worked like slaves, but were unable to save it. Now, a few of the original members carved up the land and they’ve carved out nice liberal families and it’s all history.

    *** Note ***

    Most of the men jumped ship because they had nothing invested in the place, I’m guessing.

    This is a pretty good model for the kind of society women and feminists would create.

    The beta males will do the same thing:

    Get the fuck out of dodge. Stop working. Stop caring. Why care? They were given nothing. They have no genetic future or access to women.

    Solution: Empower the state to look after women and tax the living shit out of everyone, especially men. So… more and more men stop working or work under the table. Or get foreign women. Or leave.

    Women say: But the children are all of ours! You’re responsible too! (sound familiar: women saying that cuckolded men are as responsible for their non-children as the woman is).

    Men vote with their feet: They’re your children and some other dude’s, woman. Good luck.

    (answer: invent some bizarre ideology that says that fatherhood and male genetic legacy is irrelevant; interestingly, female genetic legacy is safe. Change the legal system to hornshoe men into this model whether they like it or not).

    Someone like Sniper might dream of a society with lots of little beta males scurrying around doing her bidding as queen bee, …

    I’m going to guess the goal for men should be to prevent this from happening.

    So, … while we take advantage of women who are just playing out their hypergamy instincts, …

    If we value civilization AT ALL, we have to torpedo their pet projects wherever possible.

    Or it will all just decay, run down and be replaced by squabbling rats living in the ruins of their own civilization.

    In a real sense, communal-leftist and feminism is civilization-wrecking.

    Nice idea. Wrong species.

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  119. There’s a hot young gf I used to call “cunt container” or “my little cunt container” all the time.

    Drove her wild.

    That’s what my mama used to call me when I was in biiiiggg trouble as a kid!
    HOTT

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  120. Q:Go buy me a chocolate bar
    A: Woah, slow down there woman. I said I like you, I never said that I love you!
    Q: I don’t care. Buy me chocolate or no sex for you
    A: The money’s in my wallet. The store is on the corner.
    Q: Great. I’ll wait here.
    A: Me too. I’m glad we can agree. Now take your pants off.

    And so on.

    I once took a girl up to my room on the first date, and within fifteen minutes we were nekkid. Fun kid. After she got dressed she asked for 500 baht – about 12 bucks. I told her no way, I don’t pay for sex. She said she’d never fuck me again unless I paid. I said, nah, that’s not my thing. Positions established, she then changed her tack and said she needed gas money. Twelve bucks wasn’t the issue, so I gave her the twelve bucks for gas money. We became fuck buddies, but that girl had a strange habit of wandering the store looking for trinkets and demanding that I buy them for her when we went out. I said no to most all her choices, but would let her purchases add up to $5.00 or so. I guess the little whore had principles, and would feel used unless she got some recompense, and I’d feel used if I paid for sex.

    Even though she was just a fuck buddy, she’d still come over to my apartment and pound on the door, demanding to meet whatever girl I had in there. Strangely territorial.

    Point of all that was, it’s not about the chocolate, or no chocolate, it’s about re-framing it such that she knows you don’t pay for sex. That she doesn’t have hand over you with her pussy, and can’t command you to give gifts or do her bidding. That’s off the table.

    Nobody cares about the twelve bucks.

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  121. I think it’s men who are most put off by sex during a period. However inserting a natural sea sponge erases the mess and means a woman never has a reason to say no. 😉

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  122. Folks,

    We need to distinguish between polygamy and polyamoury.

    Polygamy = Lots of wives and concubines =Faithful Wife numero one in respected position= Good.

    Polyamoury = Watching ageing fat wife getting spit-roasted by bloated Germans = Bad.

    Any system that tolerates female infidelity is worthy of omegas.

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  123. @FF

    I feel for you, so I’ll offer a few observations.

    ME: “[restaurant name] at 5am… YUMMY!”

    ME (10 minutes later): “Uh oh, [her name] was not impressed with that comment!”

    Tell me you didn’t actually write ‘yummy’ in capital letters.

    I think you sensed that your first text was lame, so you sent a followup joke to cover it up. Unfortunately, the followup text reeked of insecurity. Here you are, harrassing a girl on Sunday morning, the night after you met, because she didn’t respond to one of your texts within ten minutes. Come on, dude. Relax. Your next text, “Ouch,” didn’t improve things.

    HER (immediately): Alrighty, perhaps Weds or Thurs evening? Have a good sleep!

    ME (the next morning): Sounds good… Uh ill call or text tonight or tomorrow… Is anytime particularly good/bad to get ahold of you? I’m done working at 6ish eaxh day

    Why did you type out “Uh”? That’s a blatant attempt to look nonchalant. And you’re making plans…to make plans? She already said she’d hang out. Just come up with something to do and throw it out there.

    With text game, you have the luxury of taking your time when you respond. Use it. It’s easier to be cocky-funny because you can stop and think instead of shooting from the hip. Right now, you sound like you’re talking to a coworker, not a girl you’re trying to fuck.

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  124. You know, there’s such a fine, fine line in all of this. One could say having perfect punctuation/spelling reeks of an eager to please little beta, but then the opposite argument is also advanced by Poetry of Flesh. Similarly, you could say my gay text messages are super-beta, but then if I had a stable of 10s sex ready on call I may very well have sent them anyways (to get a rise out of the girl, just not caring at all, etc).

    What I’m wondering is how much does game help, as opposed to just the ‘don’t-give-a-crap’ attitude that must go hand-in-hand (superficially, at least)? The reason I’m reading this crap is a more general realization that I’m just so damn “socialized”. I’m looking to break free of more sort of ‘social chains’ I feel holding me back. What I was hoping was that eliminating all sort of irrational self doubt would be compatible with developing game. I want to be in a place where I can punctuate my texts however I please, where I send a girl stupid texts, etc.

    An honest account of my position with women is that I’ve had many one night stands with heinuous to mediocre girls, two LTR relationships with fairly attractive girls (8s), and several protracted sexual relationships with girls between 5 and 7 (I’m in one right now). In all these I’ve been completely dominant, and have fallen into a “can-do-no-wrong” state. Unfortunately, I have “fear” of the consequences of my actions around really hot girls. So I’ll give a crap, and then not be natural. So I don’t know how helpful any game will be until that fear is removed. And I don’t know how helpful game will be to removing that fear, because then I’m just conforming myself even more, and ultimately that seems weak. So I’m thinking what first must be broken is the beta mindsight that would have me sitting around all day “worrying” about the texts I sent this girl, and then seeking help on a website (fuck I’m a pussy).

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  125. Doug,

    Passive aggressive is never attractive in a man. It’s not in a woman either, but it’s far more off putting in a man. It’s a weak, unskilled move for the partner with less hand in a relationship. It’s consumately beta in a man.

    I agree.

    Freezing her out isn’t being passive aggressive. Getting pissy about her behavior is however. Either get cold or get stern/angry. Never pissy.

    Okay, fine, I can see that–freezing out is not passive aggressive but getting pissy is. But my point was more that, I don’t see why he was getting pissy in the first place. It seems uncalled for, in this situation.

    She still shouldn’t have slept on the couch. That was passive aggressive on her part.

    Was it? Based on the story, it doesn’t seem like he was making it particularly clear that he wanted to fuck. If anything it sounds like she had every reason to interpret his actions as meaning “I just wanna crash.” It’s also entirely possible that she just fell asleep on the couch, without giving it so much as a second thought.

    Even if she was selfishly wanting to play the game more than have sex with him she should have at least slept in the same bed if she’s a good girlfriend.

    Whoa, where did this come from? As I said above, it doesn’t even sound like she was denying him sex–more like she figured he didn’t want it/wanted to crash. Also, where did it say she was his girlfriend?

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  126. @Sniper
    Unlike most of you lonely losers~ 😀

    D’oh! back to my moms basement
    guess the smrt girl found us out

    games over guys and dudets.

    snork snork
    wheres my beer and cheetos

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  127. “Unlike most of you lonely losers”

    Back to trainspotting for me.

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  128. @Thursday

    Gorbachev:

    Alas, you’re the one missing the point. I’m arguing against the male polyamourists over at Less Wrong (and spilling over into the comments section at Overcoming Bias) who are using Sex at Dawn to argue that polyamoury is better for society than monogamy.

    For society, … no. Unless you have provisions for the left-out males.

    Try that one.

    The male polyamorists will benefit, … if they’re alpha. If not, … then, … not so much.

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  129. #2

    “Close your eyes baby, I got your chocolate bar right here!”

    #3

    Two legged slug trail….. ha ha

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  130. on August 9, 2010 at 7:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””on August 9, 2010 at 7:29 pm Gorbachev
    @Sniper
    Unlike most of you lonely losers~ 😀

    D’oh! back to my moms basement
    guess the smrt girl found us out

    games over guys and dudets.

    snork snork
    wheres my beer and cheetos

    ”””””
    lol but even if the dude was living in his moms basement the time between that and financially independant can be from one and half to five years of saving money and he can then find a nice girl to love.

    What the fuck is snippy gonna do?
    lol

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  131. The only nick I’ve used for my girl is rebound girl.

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  132. “snork snork
    wheres my beer and cheetos”

    “Am I drunk yet? Roll to see if I’m getting drunk!”

    “Are there any hot girls there? I wanna -DO- them!”

    Anyone? No, probably not. Ah, well.

    FF,

    With most girls, especially the age and social bracket Roissy et al. seem to target, I wouldn’t worry about grammar and spelling. Most of them wouldn’t know or care that you’re texting like a high school student… because most of them are texting like they’re in junior high.

    But there is something to be said for looking up, looking for someone higher status, someone better.

    As one of my co-workers said to me a week or so ago (he’s an older Chinese gent, so consider this ancient Chinese wisdom), “Your boyfriend has to be taller, better educated, and have a larger income for the two of you to be happy.” Well, I’m translating from his broken English.

    He also said, “Ride the donkeys while waiting for the horse” in reference to women and relationships.

    He’s kinda brilliant.

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  133. @j r

    ” “The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist. ”

    hey princess, why don’t you go lock yourself in a hello kitty tower and shut the fuck up. it’s obvious that you don’t know what you are talking about, so keep quiet and let the grownups talk.”

    Did Sniper strike a nerve?

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  134. Regarding chocolate for sex, I agree it sets a terrible frame. The girl gets sex for sex, period. Anything else and she’s a whore.

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  135. Thursday,

    Oneida was a pretty weird place – they used to pair up young fellows with old women, to initiate them. The cult wound up a cutlery company in the end.

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  136. on August 9, 2010 at 7:46 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””aoefe
    I think it’s men who are most put off by sex during a period. However inserting a natural sea sponge erases the mess and means a woman never has a reason to say no. 😉
    ””””

    or just put a towel down.

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  137. on August 9, 2010 at 7:49 pm Serious Reader

    I disagree. The guy didn’t invite the girl into his room. End of story. He sounds like a complete tool who has been reading too many blogs. LOSER.

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  138. “Your boyfriend has to be taller, better educated, and have a larger income for the two of you to be happy.”

    Bonus points if he has a bigger dick than most local boys.

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  139. Heheh, I totally missed this:

    aoefe

    “I think it’s men who are most put off by sex during a period.”

    Hardly. Not if they’re well experienced.

    I’m more likely to avoid it, actually. Especially with my boyfriend, who is more likely to get his fingers all bloody and then slap me for a red warpaint look.

    He’s a romantic.

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  140. mark

    This is a conversation about Sniper’s relationships, ideas and herself, which she is presenting as examples to emulate.

    At the moment, it’s not a conversation about me. I’m sure you’re reading what I said erroneously in some way.

    For anyone really interested, you could dig through the archives, I’ve said enough about myself there over the course of time.

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  141. “or just put a towel down.”

    Big fluffy red towel.

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  142. on August 9, 2010 at 7:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not that I don’t mind paying for sex until it is free.

    I think it is actually not a bad deal.

    In fact I think in future all men will be required to win there bitch through paying her directly for sex until she is theirs and submits.

    But yea where do ya think this shit is heading?

    he he he

    Soon every kind of talking to a bitch is gonna be illegal and every interaction but just directly paying for a bitch is gonna be too fraught with danger compared to the payoff.

    I got a pretty fucking good payoff by being able to fuck the best.

    My woman doesn’t feel entitled to anything at this point but my dick.

    So yea look around at what hoops bitches are expecting dudes to jump through to get what?
    Yea that is right nothing.

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  143. FF—

    One could say having perfect punctuation/spelling reeks of an eager to please little beta, but then the opposite argument is also advanced by Poetry of Flesh.

    The idea is it’s supposed to be effortless for the guy.

    You sound higher beta alright. You’ve got some things down. At least you’re not pussy in relationships though you’ve had to go downscale for the most part to get that. Btw, any girl you’d or guys in general would call “fairly attractive” isn’t an 8 on Rossiy’s or most pua’s or my scale. And I’m not as tough as many pua’s are (I think largely for bragging rights). She’s a 7 or a 6. 8’s are very pretty or beautiful. Nine’s are gorgeous, stunning. There aren’t many 10s. Most hot pickup bars won’t have any 10s in them on a given night.

    And I don’t know how helpful game will be to removing that fear, because then I’m just conforming myself even more, and ultimately that seems weak. So I’m thinking what first must be broken is the beta mindsight that would have me sitting around all day “worrying” about the texts I sent this girl, and then seeking help on a website (fuck I’m a pussy).

    I don’t know what sports you’ve played, but it’s like learning to serve better in tennis. A tennis pro teaching you will break down the components of serving, how to stand, where to stand, how to arch your back, how to hold your racket and the angle at which you should hit the ball for different effects, and so on. All broken down and analyzed. But when you go to play, except for where to stand and how to grip the racket, which you do before you really start the serve, your mind must be in the moment, not analyzing each component of what you’re doing. Same with game. When you’re doing it most of the time you have to be in the moment. There are moments when you have time to think should I do this or that, but mostly you’re just reacting, playing with her, leading her.

    I wouldn’t pay too much attention to Poetry’s grammar bits. That’s more her thing. Lots and lots of chicks won’t care, so long as they think you’re smart relative to her. If it’s dating site game, which I’ve never played, I believe Riff Dog when he says it’s important. After all it’s her first impression of you there, almost, or completely, depending on the site.

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  144. Sniper “Throwing her out says, “If you don’t want to have sex with me when I want it, I don’t want you around at all.”

    I can’t believe it! You are learning!

    Yes, Sniper, unless the girl wants to sex up her man, she is useless.

    Seek medical help for your low sex drive, find men you are more attracted to, do girls, or find men with extremely low sex drive. If you are in a situation where the man wants to fuck, and you don’t, you are causing him pain, and if you really like him, you’d get out of his house and let him get on with his sex life.

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  145. For #2, I think I’d go a different route. I’d buy chocolate.

    Lots of chocolate.

    “Cover the whole bed” kind of lots (not a problem, I like chocolate myself, dark 70%+ though).

    And also have a bottle of lube, pack of condoms, and blue pill next to the bed in plain view.

    Not say a word, just walk her in and let the scene speak for itself.

    Dunno, I think it’d be hilarious.

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  146. on August 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Poetry of Flesh
    Heheh, I totally missed this:

    aoefe

    “I think it’s men who are most put off by sex during a period.”

    Hardly. Not if they’re well experienced.

    I’m more likely to avoid it, actually. Especially with my boyfriend, who is more likely to get his fingers all bloody and then slap me for a red warpaint look.

    He’s a romantic.
    ”””

    Let me see your war face.

    ””””Dream Puppy
    @Guns- OMG talking cuddly is the best. And I don’t care what all you nascent alphas say….just like every woman wants to be dominated, ever man wants to be babied and spoiled.
    Sorry guys, you also have your achilles heel.
    ””””””’
    But yea that is good part about being a guy there are a shitfuckload of woman out there who can provide me that.
    There are not a shitfuckload of woman out there who can find the right guy to get hypergamous with.
    3 million millionaires in the us choose one. Oh wait most of em are married.

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  147. on August 9, 2010 at 8:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’RMM
    For #2, I think I’d go a different route. I’d buy chocolate.

    Lots of chocolate.

    “Cover the whole bed” kind of lots (not a problem, I like chocolate myself, dark 70%+ though).

    And also have a bottle of lube, pack of condoms, and blue pill next to the bed in plain view.

    Not say a word, just walk her in and let the scene speak for itself.

    Dunno, I think it’d be hilarious.””””””””’

    Ownage pure fucking ownage.

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  148. RMM

    For #2, I think I’d go a different route. I’d buy chocolate.

    Lots of chocolate.

    “Cover the whole bed” kind of lots (not a problem, I like chocolate myself, dark 70%+ though).

    And also have a bottle of lube, pack of condoms, and blue pill next to the bed in plain view.

    Nooooooooooooo.

    Too much validation and confirmation. After that, what does she have to work for? What’s her job? Just to be there and let you shower her with whatever she asks?

    You want to be sparing with confirmation. You want her to have nagging doubts.

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  149. @Sniper

    I never said he WAS a date rapist for kicking her out (and you accuse me of strawmanning? lawl). I said that he has the attitude of someone who could be a date rapist. “I am entitled to sex because we had sex before, if you won’t sex me then get the fuck out,” is alarming, abusive and demeaning. I hope that girl is safe from someone like that.

    He’s not dragging her by the hair to the bed, pinning her down, and shoving his love machine into her (and I’ve known girls who were into that). He’s just decided that if she’s not going to be fun to have around, then he doesn’t want her around.

    Guys are allowed to say NO too. And No means No. You disagree?

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  150. @Bhetti, @Sniper

    Sniper seems to be a feminista infiltrator sent to try to shoot down people who are realizing the rules of Game. Feministas can’t have that happening, y’know. It spoils their scam.

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  151. When my mate would ask me if I loved her, I’d always say “a little bit”.

    You want her to feel loved, and protected, and cherished, but also insecure that if she fucks up it could all go away. That if she behaved better you’d love her more. That you’ve perhaps had better and could get better, but are pleased with her for now.

    You don’t do things that are shows of unconditional love, such as buying a big expensive showpiece of a ring. If you must buy a ring, make it cheap. Not quite enough. A token gesture. Leave her wanting more validation.

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  152. Ya, Micheal, but Sniper isn’t doing the usual bait and switch scam that lower sex drive girls often use. She’s working with pure tease.

    That’s even worse. At least with a bait and switch you can just leave after the switch.

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  153. on August 9, 2010 at 8:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’xsplat
    RMM

    For #2, I think I’d go a different route. I’d buy chocolate.

    Lots of chocolate.

    “Cover the whole bed” kind of lots (not a problem, I like chocolate myself, dark 70%+ though).

    And also have a bottle of lube, pack of condoms, and blue pill next to the bed in plain view.

    Nooooooooooooo.

    Too much validation and confirmation. After that, what does she have to work for? What’s her job? Just to be there and let you shower her with whatever she asks?

    You want to be sparing with confirmation. You want her to have nagging doubts.

    ”””””””

    If I can’t go all out spontaneously and have her love it and it makes her love me more I don’t want the bitch.

    If I can’t plan with her to go all out and I cancel the shit for my reasons and she doesn’t love me more I don’t want the bitch.

    I love being romantic to the extreme if a bitch can’t handle that and love me too bad.

    I enjoy the finer things that life has to offer at times.

    If you can’t make some crazy memories than what the fuck is life but drudgery.

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  154. Xsplat:

    Nooooooooooooo.

    Too much validation and confirmation. After that, what does she have to work for? What’s her job? Just to be there and let you shower her with whatever she asks?

    You want to be sparing with confirmation. You want her to have nagging doubts.

    I see what you mean, I guess I have a penchant for the dramatic. If three bars is “anal sex” and 10 bars is “anything,” walking her into a scene with enough chocolate to feed a small African nation, a huge bottle of lube, an extra-large pack of condoms, and a blue pill waiting may put the “WTF is going to happen?” idea into her head.

    Maybe it’d totally ruin the relationship and I’d have to dump her afterwards, when she starts withdrawing sex to get whatever she wants.

    I’d still do it.

    I think I value my self-amusement a bit too highly sometimes. Probably explains a few things.

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  155. @Michael

    The Feministas are pissed off at men like you are pissed off at women.

    In the meantime both you and they are paying taxes to support somebody else’s children.

    Who’s benefiting from that?

    The relief from griping is short lived. If CR was happy would he be spending so much time online? Maybe the only problem is that you have been looking in the wrong place.

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  156. E-mail one just reeks of beta femininity. If you want to fuck, throw her over your shoulder and take her to your room. If she demures, she just isn’t that into you.

    You are acting like a woman. Why are you expecting her to read your fucking mind?

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  157. @Gorbachev

    Most of the men jumped ship because they had nothing invested in the place, I’m guessing.

    This is a pretty good model for the kind of society women and feminists would create.

    The beta males will do the same thing:

    Get the fuck out of dodge. Stop working. Stop caring. Why care? They were given nothing. They have no genetic future or access to women.

    A woman I know was telling me about ancient matriarchal societies. If a woman got tired of a man, she would turn her tent around so it faced the opposite direction, which was her way of communicating that it was time for him to leave, so she could get another lover. She seemed to thing this was a wonderful system.

    I made the mistake of applying logic to her scenario, (for which she never forgave me). I said that such societies were generally conquered by the first patriarchal band that encountered them.

    What incentive does the man have to stay and fight for a woman who makes it clear that she’s not his, that the land and property is hers, that the kids are god-knows-whose, and that he’s just a temporarily-tolerated visitor? When shit arrives, his incentive is to say “bye-bye” and find another woman a few miles down the road. If you want a real-world example of such a society, just take a look at any “inner-city” neighborhood. You see lots of beta males with no incentive to do anything but hang out and get stoned, while a few alpha thug drug dealers get all the women.

    My suspicion is that patriarchy was the invention of some smart women, who realized that men are more likely to stand and fight for what they consider to be THEIRS. That is they at least PRETEND that the men are in charge, that the territory is theirs, that the kids are their sons and daughters, then they will work like dogs to make their territory a better place.

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  158. I said that he has the attitude of someone who could be a date rapist. “I am entitled to sex because we had sex before, if you won’t sex me then get the fuck out,”

    why should a man have ANY OTHER ATTITUDE towards a women he isn’t MARRIED TOO? i do not understand this. just because youre fucking a guy doesn’t entitle you to any consideration at all. 9 times out of 10 you are just a place to put his dick for a while

    i tried the “i don’t feel like it you only want me for sex” shit test on my then future hub once early on, he kept trying and trying and i snapped “stop trying to force me!!!” and he said, in a seductive voice with exaggerated bedroom eyes, “im not forcing you, im pressuring you” which cracked me up and made me give in and i basically never said no again–oh noes!! hot sex!! what the fuck “mood” are women waiting to get in to? if you don’t feel like it now betcha money he can make you feel like in in a few minutes if you just loosen the fuck up and stop trying to be the boss for a second. because that’s all saying no to sex is about–another dominance game women play with men

    he already has FRIENDS, he wants to FUCK you

    put out or get out

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  159. I was laying on my bed at night with a girl i have been seeing and sleeping for some months. She is a 8 and all was well. Then she asks for some Chocolate. To clarify, she is thin but loves chocloate

    This made me laugh.

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  160. On the first scenario. One thing I’ve picked up on this blog through trial and error is that with hot younger chicks…disaappear and never appear needy.

    In this situation, his passive-aggressive shit followed by that text is a major turn-off.

    Other pua sites sometimes suggest a more heavy-handed approach.

    But I’ve found it always backfires with these flakey chicks and only confirms for them that not fucking you was the right move.

    They only have to default to not-fucking mode.

    One thing I’m learning about game….not to be so outcome dependent and to have several chicks on the go at the same time and to as much as possible give the impression you’re banging other girls.

    Case and point. I told a friend of mine I had banged my Korean neighbour who lives a few floors below me.

    Next thing, a girl I had been gaming approaches me and says “XXXX said you have a Korean neighbour”

    Shit-test.

    My reply: “I have a lot of neighbours…it’s a big building….”

    At first I was pissed. Then I realized that this guy had actually done me a favour.

    @ FF

    Read the section on one word text.

    Yummy: beta try mmmmm

    “ouch” acknowledging she got to you or she has hand…you’re like a puppy. Why does it hurt?

    I like the use of the word conducive” try-hard. Not funny.

    I’ve learned all this. Three-word text maximum. And read up on trial-texting.

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  161. on August 9, 2010 at 8:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””(fuck I’m a pussy).”””’

    You are correct.

    Now go and get in a boxing match or something.

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  162. @Michael
    I made the mistake of applying logic to her scenario, (for which she never forgave me). I said that such societies were generally conquered by the first patriarchal band that encountered them.

    (Islam, anyone?)


    My suspicion is that patriarchy was the invention of some smart women, who realized that men are more likely to stand and fight for what they consider to be THEIRS. That is they at least PRETEND that the men are in charge, that the territory is theirs, that the kids are their sons and daughters, then they will work like dogs to make their territory a better place.

    I find we’re in agreement.

    But I have one question.

    I really want to know what her reference was for the matriarchal (not matrilinear) society she mentioned.

    There’s one in China (not really matriarchal, in fact). A small ethnic group.

    I know of no others. If there are any, I’d love to know where they were; when they were.

    I suspect they’re myths.

    These societies would decay and be overrrun so fast, they’d never survive for all that long.

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  163. @dana

    because that’s all saying no to sex is about–another dominance game women play with men

    he already has FRIENDS, he wants to FUCK you

    put out or get out

    Dana:

    Best sum-up summary for Sniper and all of her ilk.

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  164. Doug1

    Would be better as simply:

    Sleep tight. When are you free to get together?

    Sleep tight is infinitely better than nite nite. It is a command.

    It may seem a trivial difference, but you want the woman to associate your command with a feeling of being taken care of. Paternal. You are telling her what to do, and it means you care about her. Command her to have pleasant dreams.

    Command her a lot – even if it’s just bogus play. And anchor the command to a positive feeling. If she’s talking too much, you can pinch her lips shut, hold your finger over your mouth, and say “shhh”, with a smile and a twinkle and full frontal eye contact. She gets a hit of your full attention, touch, and command, all at once. Command her in the bed a lot. Command her to get you food – she’ll love the warm feeling of serving you.

    Nite nite is childish talk, which does have it’s appeal, but it’s heavily short term thinking. Yes, you do bond, you do get close, you do share this world of being vulnerable and open. That’s a space you want to go into tenuously and sparingly, and always counterbalance with doing things that keep her off guard and ill at ease. As much as you passionately love her, you have to keep her 15% nervous that you could switch attention. Nite nite doesn’t project that edge. It’s too safe and sweet. Better this: sleep hard.

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  165. @Dana,

    I agree:

    If a woman isn’t fucking a man, she’s essentially useless. If she’s not fucking him, then he’s free to seek sexual attention elsewhere.

    Works both ways.

    The only purpose for a romantic partner: Sex and intimacy. All other things can be found elsewhere at different times.

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  166. Or “have wet dreams”.

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  167. @ Gorbachev

    Please explain to me what you mean by “sex and intimacy”.

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  168. If a woman isn’t fucking a man, she’s essentially useless. If she’s not fucking him, then he’s free to seek sexual attention elsewhere.

    I am going to tell my mom and my grandma to leave home and go live in the streets immediately.

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  169. moms and grammas have earned the HONOR of continued devotion and support after sex has gone due to age or ill health

    its childless 25 year old women today trying to keep some guys dick in her purse and refuse him sex for no reason

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  170. @ Gorbachev
    Please explain to me what you mean by “sex and intimacy”.

    Define it how you will. If the man is monogamous with you, it’s a tacit contract.

    You are his only sexual / romantic outlet. He is assumedly your only one.

    Both partners must not use sex or intimacy as a bargaining chip in games of power within the relationship: If a woman uses sex to control her man, then he has the right to do the same.

    And if a woman decides that the sexual relationship is just another method for manipulating the man, then he can do the same.

    The fact of the matter is: at that point, if it’s been going on for a while, and he decides that there’s no reason to remain monogamous, then so be it.

    The single thing that distinguishes romance/partners/husbands and wives/bfs and gfs from any regular friendship is this:

    You’re not supposed to seek sex and intimacy elsewhere.

    Sex and intimacy: Whatever is forbidden to be sought elsewhere. Touching, intense emotional contact, physical intimacy, sexual contact.

    When that becomes a football, then in my opinion, men start having the right to retaliate using that or other means: denying support, companionship, … essentially, if the deal is broken and the man or the woman is starting to use *blackmail* when it comes to the one thing that binds them, then the other side is justified in forcing open other cracks in the relationship.

    The problem is that many women feel that sex is just the tool they use to control their man, or one of the tools.

    Men do not feel this way.

    Biggest complaint.

    And then women complain about other things: The man becomes less helpful. Acrimonious. He feels betrayed.

    He has a right to feel betrayed. He hitched his wagon to one – just one – female.

    When she or he denies the one thing that bonds them (not insignificantly, I mean, consistently or as a power tactic), then the offending partner has degraded the relationship and made the first overture in a war.

    And in war, all is fair (short of abuse).

    When men feel betrayed, they’re being babies. When women feel betrayed, … the men are evil.

    Same the other way: Don’t want your wife any more? Explain it (She’s fat/very unattractive/can’t get it up for her). If it’s just the man, … if he’s just bored and unwilling to try something, anything to get it going again – then he also can’t complain when she seeks solace elsewhere.

    Very different from one party getting bored and going elsewhere.

    In all of these things, women are always the more manipulative. Men are usually guileless.

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  171. on August 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’gig
    If a woman isn’t fucking a man, she’s essentially useless. If she’s not fucking him, then he’s free to seek sexual attention elsewhere.

    I am going to tell my mom and my grandma to leave home and go live in the streets immediately.

    ”””’

    Are you saying they stopped fucking you?

    he he he

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  172. “Sure, they might not be as “personal” as twinkletits (and BTW, does that mean her tits pee or something, seriously?) ”

    No, that would be “tinkletits”.

    “Twinkletits” is perfectly sensible — that’s why they call them headlights.

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  173. on August 9, 2010 at 9:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Couldn’t resist gig.

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  174. Heh, Sidewinder, you called us losers to hurt our confidence!

    And here I was, feeling invincible today.

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  175. “Are you saying they stopped fucking you?

    he he he”

    I blame the influence of Russian porn.

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  176. @Gorbachev

    @Michael
    I made the mistake of applying logic to her scenario, (for which she never forgave me). I said that such societies were generally conquered by the first patriarchal band that encountered them.

    (Islam, anyone?)

    I suspect strongly that pre-Islamic Arabia was matrilineal to a large degree, based on Mohammad’s first wife, Khadijah. She was a wealthy older woman, he was a poor orphan. She married him when he was 25 and she was around 40 or so, and she stayed his only wife until she died when Mo was around 50. Then Mo went wild.

    When she died, Mo was suddenly poor again. This implies that her wealth reverted to her clan at death, rather than going to her boy toy.

    So what does Mo do? He organizes a band of sand pirates to go raping and pillaging, and in the process acquires a large harem of women. Why didn’t he get other women when he was married to Khadijah? Because she had the money and would toss his ass out on the street.

    Meanwhile, Mo’s merry band conquers Arabia in just a few short years. What did he have to motivate his people? A motivation that appeared absent in his opponents? Power over women. Ownership of women. The right to have your own set of women, and the right to beat the crap out of them if they did not sleep with you on demand (this is in the Islamic Hadith). Obviously, a good motivator.

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  177. If you want to fuck, throw her over your shoulder and take her to your room. If she demures, she just isn’t that into you.

    I had a routine when staying in the ghetto family compound of my girlfriend in the Philippines. On waking up, she’d serve me breakfast, then go out to chat with the neighbors. When I’d finished with tea and ablutions, I’d walk out, grab her by the wrist, tell her that it’s time to fuck, and drag her back to the room.

    We fucked extremely loudly, in our little windowless love hovel.

    She always had a huge smile on her face when she waved good-buy to her friends. Got to go! Time to fuck!

    None of this – “sweetheart? Are you busy? I’m over here now!” crap.

    Right in front of her friends and family and the whole neighborhood. Time to fuck now.

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  178. Why does a woman need to be in the mood every time anyway? He’s the one that needs to be in the mood.

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  179. @ Gorbachev

    So the issue is that sex should never be used as a tool and women should not abuse the good will of their partner (husband?)

    And when the relationship (marriage) breaks down; it’s everyone for themselves.

    My grandparents dated for several months before they got married (had sex), because they wanted to know what the other person was like first.

    Once you were married, you made it work whatever shit the other party pulled- short of abuse, as you mentioned.

    I’m not sure sex, intimacy and memorandums of understanding are the right combination. Sounds like a bad case of guilelessness on both sides.

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  180. I have something for that special

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  181. withholding sex from a man while demanding monogamy AND having the life destroying card of no fault divorce to hang over a man’s head IS ABUSE

    the ENTIRE point of both “marital rape” laws and the demonizing all physical chastisement of a wifeas “abuse” was to remove from men the only weapons he had against both female refusal of consortium and potential cuckoldry

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  182. @Gorbachev @Michael

    “Meanwhile, Mo’s merry band conquers Arabia in just a few short years. What did he have to motivate his people? A motivation that appeared absent in his opponents? Power over women. Ownership of women. The right to have your own set of women, and the right to beat the crap out of them if they did not sleep with you on demand (this is in the Islamic Hadith). Obviously, a good motivator.”

    And look at the Saudis now: day-trading at daddy’s house with a subscription to satellite porn. I’m not seeing motivation.

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  183. Good comment dana and gig. I’m realizing now why these husbands get so angry when they are doing most of what they are supposed to do and holding up their end of the bargain and their wives are consistently not in the mood. Putting myself in a man’s shoes that would really piss me off.

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  184. Laura

    have you read Dr Laura’s “the proper care and feeding of husbands”?

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  185. The bratty little child that wanted chocolate: I only would’ve relented if we both went to the store together to get the chocolate. It’s a fun excursion together. Running to the store by yourself, however, makes you into her bitchboy. One aspect of game, to me, is not being a slave to a girls sexuality, which sounds contradicting, but it’s not really. You enjoy and love the company of women and their sex, but you’re not a mentally and physically weak slave to it. Control your sexual needs, act like you can take it or leave it (even if you really can’t), and you take away her power. So I think you made a good move by falling asleep and not getting the chocolate.

    I did chuckle at the “I don’t negotiate with terrorists” line, but even that hints at how powerful her sexuality is. Anyway, only get the chocolate if you both go together, otherwise, resist, even if you stay together for another 50 years. Never buy her chocolate for the rest of your lives.

    ——

    FF’s texts made me cringe. If it sounds like a teenaged girl would say it, then don’t text it. So that eliminates words like YUMMY! and nite nite and -ish. Let’s throw in YAY! and OMG! (unless you’re being funny)

    You may be be an intimidating bruiser in real life, but I’m getting the vibe you need to toughen up your entire personality overall.

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  186. walawala (and others who’ve shredded my “game” (if you can call it that)): I can’t say I disagree with you, but I’m in too deep with this girl to change things now. Sadly, this sort of gayness is all I know, and reinventing myself in a matter of days is not an option. I do do it without consequence in general. Due to insecurity I aim low with girls (I’ve even joked in my mind about the “sweet spot” of good looking enough to f*** but un-hot enough that I’m unfazed). A lot of the “cuteness” my texts might reak of is actually a perverse habit of mine of fucking with people. E.g., sending a girl a “hug” emoticon is super beta. But I do it all the time, and they know behind it is this jackass with a big grin on his face fucking with them. I showed up to a girl’s apartment on Friday night zombie-like drunk with an onion in my hair – my friend threw one at me in Subway and I was too drunk to notice – that’s so beta, but she didn’t give a damn. I don’t have enough experience with really hot girls to know if this shit will work on them (the few really hot ones I’ve fucked were all due to either drunkeness or being in Brazil).

    So, what if I just proceed if this girl were a lower-beta (I note, looking at her FB friends, they are all bordering on omega)? My FB profile does convey value well (plenty of pics of me with hot girls she doesn’t need to know I didn’t fuck). I’ve got an underlying fear of rejection I need to come to grips with. The other dude said something like “have a whole bunch of numbers to fall back on” as the solution to shit like this. I like that. What a gay position I’m in, getting all stressed that the girl I met while loaded then going for advice on a blog, expressing himself in multi-paragraph diatribes. That’s just the definition of beta, no two ways about it. I’m going to broadly follow what Mike and Doug1 said with this girl, but go with my gut when it’s disagreeing (in the name of comfort and being natural). I’ll update if anything interesting happens. And, in the near future, either fall into an omega depression, not change a damn thing, or get more serious about this shit.

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  187. Girls who casually throw around a serious word like rapist are beneath contempt. I feel sorry for the poor sap who ends up with them.

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  188. “And look at the Saudis now: day-trading at daddy’s house with a subscription to satellite porn. I’m not seeing motivation.”

    What motivation do they need? They’ve got territorial rights to the most critical resource in the modern global economy. Until we devise better battery/ultracap storage and switch to EVs they don’t need no stinkin’ motivation.

    (And when we do the next Obama will apologize to them and give them a bailout. Think that’s crazy? You do? That’s so sweet!)

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  189. FF’s texts made me cringe. If it sounds like a teenaged girl would say it, then don’t text it. So that eliminates words like YUMMY! and nite nite and -ish. Let’s throw in YAY! and OMG! (unless you’re being funny)

    You may be be an intimidating bruiser in real life, but I’m getting the vibe you need to toughen up your entire personality overall.

    As I used to do this kind of woo woo talk, I assume it’s a common mistake. What a young man tends to do is listen to how the girl is talking, and emulate it and get into a syncopation of cooing.

    It’s a very short term strategy with dangers that are difficult to see, as they are not immediate.

    Cooing and emotional syncopation are like icing. Useful only in small quantities and in certain places.

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  190. on August 9, 2010 at 9:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’And look at the Saudis now: day-trading at daddy’s house with a subscription to satellite porn. I’m not seeing motivation.
    ””””

    Dubai?

    It is not so much the motivation of arabs it is the demotivation and casting aside of americans that will be somewhat the gamechanger.

    Or lets say a combination of the two.

    What if the arabs or asians just started recruiting the most talented defense researchers just because they offer a better life?

    What are ya gonna do then in a global economy?

    What if really smart guys start getting recruited by the other side and it is easy because their is nothing in us but bullshit laws at some point?

    What if they you know go to colleges and start taking the best and brightest by offering them nice package deals?

    What if they offer the guys who are already the best nice package deals?

    At some point intelligent guys are gonna look at the other intelligent guys getting fucked all the time and be like why stay in that garbage when I can go somewhere else and have a better life?

    You think you can just punish and ruin mens lives forever?

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  191. on August 9, 2010 at 10:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea and notice that the big shit being built in dubai was being built by white dudes.

    Now notice china having very attractive opportunities to build some giant shit as well.

    Every time I went to jakarta I saw a new skyscraper going up.

    Every time I went to nyc I saw nothing new going up.

    In fact for years I saw the same fucking shit ass front on the same old building that was just being fixed up and was never finished.

    Unless you want to count rebuilding trade center.

    Hmmmmm

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  192. dana,
    No, I haven’t. Should I?

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  193. Re: Girl who wants chocolate:

    How about some response like:

    Put on a garter so it feels natural tipping you.

    Can’t agree too much that becoming a gofer for a spoiled brat or insecure woman is no way to go through life, son.

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  194. […] Problem with PUA Advice: 6 August 9, 2010 dissention Leave a comment Go to comments A recent post at Roissy, illustrates the problem with ‘game’ in a rather unfaltering manner. I should mention […]

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  195. on August 9, 2010 at 10:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    What happens when there is nothing in america to be patriotic about?

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  196. I love all the strawmanning in this post, especially after you boys scream and moan at me for it while failing to address my points like homosapiens. So much projection and self-hatred coming from these comments.

    Me: Sometimes the girl just doesn’t feel like having sex, even if she’s super attracted to him in general.

    Idiot: OMFG U HAVE A LOW SEX DRIVE UR SICK SEEK HELP

    Me: She could be on her period and feel sick/cramping/bloated because of it.

    Idiot: Ohmigaaaawd this means YOU NEVER do ANYTHING sexual while on yours because every girl’s period is the same, everytime!!!

    Me: All my boyfriends are really nice.

    Idiot: Well OBVIOUSLY they were all sad beta/omega/herb/gay excuses for “MEN” and u hav yet to be properly seduced by a TRU ALFA.

    Me: I don’t let people treat me like shit.

    Idiot: BALL-BUSTING FEMINAZI CIVILIZATION-RUINING BITCH!! *RAGE RAGE*

    =======================

    Well at least I can honestly say that I had not known true misogyny until I found this blog. I mean, it’s interesting in a sociological/dating economics sort of way but there’s just so much fear, contempt, bitterness and ignorance towards women’s sexuality that holds a lot of these men from true, unemotional enlightenment. It’s really a hurdle they need to move past and fucking girls while being mean to them won’t help.

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  197. @Sniper
    Well at least I can honestly say that I had not known true misogyny until I found this blog. I mean, it’s interesting in a sociological/dating economics sort of way but there’s just so much fear, contempt, bitterness and ignorance towards women’s sexuality that holds a lot of these men from true, unemotional enlightenment. It’s really a hurdle they need to move past and fucking girls while being mean to them won’t help.

    It’s nice to know you finally found true misogyny. I know True Misogyny is hard to find. Quite the conquest for you!

    I think you understand a lot less about female sexuality than you think. Understanding your own, I might credit (and that’s only a might).

    You really don’t think game works a treat? Prevents men from bonding or experiencing love? Intimacy? I know you’ve said this before, and said it was misogynistic.

    You seem to be constitutionally incapable of absorbing anything – even when it’s delivered in moderation.

    Not only do people like Doug1 and myself and even Roissy not hate women, far from it – we glory in them. I adore female sexuality. I love its power. It’s glorious.

    Alas, … you seem to live in a fanciful world of delusions.

    While I find it within the realm of possibility that you’ve constructed your immediate surroundings to support your limited worldview, thus allowing you to restrict your mental horizons, I think perhaps reality must one day poke its ugly head into your idealized little vignette you call your worldview.

    I have no trouble relating to women. In fact, quite the opposite. Neither have I had any trouble finding intimacy or even – can I utter this word in such tones here? – love.

    The same can be said for lots of guys here. And the women they are or were with.

    And yet, … the only thing you can do is snipe.

    You do realize that the only loss is your ability to escape your own small world? Your loss.

    Perhaps it was too much to expect from a woman who has actively decided to live in a world of childish make-believe, weaving castles in the sky out of wisps of imagination and peering out of her magical aerie on the deluded trolls that populate something called reality.

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  198. on August 9, 2010 at 11:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’on August 9, 2010 at 4:14 pm Sniper
    Email 1:

    The guy acted like a passive aggressive blue-balled dweeb, but your advice would have made him into a potentially dangerous asshole with an attitude reminiscent of that of an entitled date-rapist.

    Calling what she did a “couch stunt” shows that you’ve taken offense when for all you know, she could have just not felt like having sex. I thought it was common knowledge that men have high sex drives, and that implies that your gf might not be in the mood as often as you are. Throwing her out says, “If you don’t want to have sex with me when I want it, I don’t want you around at all.” Although I hope it would at least make it clear to the girl that she’s just the “hot 18 year old” he’s “fucking” so she can find a decent non-psycho guy.

    ””””””””””””’

    lol sniper just because a guy got told not to put up with your type of bullshit and leave when a woman acts like you do, does not mean that men are hating on woman.

    You might want to read below then compare what you wrote above.

    ””””Here is what you should have done when you saw her sleeping on the couch the next morning. Nudge her awake, then tell her to get out, you have stuff to do. Your tone of voice and facial expression should be neutral. She will quietly gather her stuff and leave, or she will whine about talking over whatever it is that’s bothering you. Either way, you have regained hand. Stay in character, and usher her out the door, explaining that you’ll give her a call later. “Later” meaning a period of time no shorter than two days and closer to five days. That is how you punish a woman so that she learns to respect the cocka.

    Here is how you can salvage the relationship.

    Step One: Mentally demote her to an ex-girlfriend you just dumped. This will put you in the proper frame of mind for future interactions.

    Step Two: One week. Absence makes the tingle vibrate stronger. Don’t contact her for a week. Her hamster will do all your work for you.

    If you follow the two steps above, odds are good she will call you first. Don’t show your cards right away. Let her talk as if nothing is wrong. Find out her angle, where she’s coming from. Then, when she thinks she has smoothed everything over (assuming she still wants to be with you), you unload the beaver buster:

    “Oh, and by the way, if you ever pull that couch stunt again, you and I are through.”

    PS: I hesitate to mention the following, because it’s a bit gauche. There are two other, albeit less likely, explanations for why she camped out on the couch to play video games with your younger brother instead of trot behind you to your bedroom.

    One, she’s having a fling with another dude.

    Two, that other dude is your brother.

    Just throwing it out there. Jer-ry! Jer-ry!

    ””””””””””””

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  199. on August 9, 2010 at 11:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea and sniper did you see people hating on dana or aoefe or poetry or dream puppy or laura.

    No

    Everybody was hating on you because you made an idiotic comment.

    It is not woman that was hated on this blog just you.

    You are disliked because of your attitude.

    You are being given some good advice on how to find the right men for you.

    Apparently the guys on this blog are not the right men for you because they don’t like your individual attitude.

    It is your attitude and your attitude alone on this blog that causes people to dislike you.

    So it is not the woman category that is disliked just a single woman You sniper that is disliked.

    Have a nice day.

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  200. @Sniper.

    Gunslingergregi said it.

    Gunslingergregi
    It is your attitude and your attitude alone on this blog that causes people to dislike you.
    So it is not the woman category that is disliked just a single woman You sniper that is disliked.

    SD, Laura, Dana, Anouk, Biktopia, — and others – say things the men disagree with. They argue. They don’t get ragged on like you do.

    Some of these women strongly disagree with the things Roissy or other posters say. They get seriously argued with. And yet, oddly, many of the men respect them, often because their opinions are different.

    It’s because of something you do that even the female posters here often feel differently towards you.

    Do you know what that is?

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  201. Where do I start?

    I got my wife and my girlfriend pregnant and I just tested positive for herpes (which I got from my girlfriend).

    My wife is all gung ho about going natural child-birth and she broke out in a rash around her crotch and I have been lying to her and telling her that is just part of pregnancy. She is real innocent and this is her first baby so I don’t know how to broach this subject with her without freaking her out.

    Meanwhile, my girlfriend is pregnant with my baby too and she is having a family doc care for her and monitoring her for herpes outbreaks in case she has one during the child birth.

    I would like to kick the girlfriend to the curb and stick with my wife and this is really putting a crimp in my style. I can’t be honest yet because I don’t want to risk losing her because of this.

    How do I get out of this?

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  202. Michael–

    You do realize that all these early 2nd wave feminist claims of widespread current and prehistorical matriarchy have turned a total cropper right? And that matrilinearity (tracing descent through the female ancestral line) isn’t remotely the same thing as matriarchy? (Though I will admit that in matrilineal societies women do tend to have more status.)

    As well every single one of the the most successful societies in history, I mean the top 50 or 100 have been patriarchal in the feminist sense of the word. Mos successful in terms of conquest, wealth of the elite class, size of the wealthy elite, influential technical and artistic achievements, and so on.

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  203. My wife is miserable because she has no idea that she has herpes now and my girlfriend is on antiviral meds which helps the outbreaks not be so severe and I feel like shit.

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  204. I am freaking out man.

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  205. what is wrong with misogyny? it is an honest psychological disposition, as is misandry, which is at least as common. neither are merely an attitude. but feminists — not merely misandrists — have reduced the complex psychology of misogyny, which males have no monopoly on, to mere insult.

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  206. Sniper–

    @Sniper
    Well at least I can honestly say that I had not known true misogyny until I found this blog. I mean, it’s interesting in a sociological/dating economics sort of way but there’s just so much fear, contempt, bitterness and ignorance towards women’s sexuality that holds a lot of these men from true, unemotional enlightenment. It’s really a hurdle they need to move past and fucking girls while being mean to them won’t help.

    No.

    What you’ve found here is unbridled anti-feminism. For damn good, fact filled, experience laden, reasons.

    You’ve also found some genuine misogyny generally as a phase that awakening feminist propagandized males go through when they start to realize the truth.

    Actually I don’t think there’s nearly enough misogyny in America, to begin to counter balance the voluminous misandry in Universities, schools, and in the entertainment media.

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  207. Reg—

    You sound like a lowlife. Why should I give a piss?

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  208. on August 10, 2010 at 12:14 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’gerald winston
    Reg
    Sniper””””’

    Can we get a ruling on same ip or not?

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  209. Sniper, maybe you haven’t noticed, but your diatribe was most adamantly refuted by women here, Bhetti, Laura, Dana. Maybe that is what really chops your hide.

    I don’t let people treat me like shit.

    Why I have feeling that you rather do the opposite, treat like shit the others around you? You are not interested in rational exchanges, instead you do rationalization snipes in fact. You may display a degree of intelligence, at least a potential for it. But it has been squandered through your acceptance of indoctrination during your schooling. You regurgitate talking points of feminist ideology. You may engage in protestation, but that is what it is, even if you may be not fully aware of it. Which I doubt.

    Rudiments of intelligence, but no traces of wisdom. At all. In comparison with quite a few women here that do seem to display it, in various degrees. Even some of your age.

    You complain about misogyny, but instead you offer (actually push would be a better term) misoandry.

    Why you are here? You bring nothing constructive to the debate. Go away, don’t you have some hapless beta to emasculate and disembowel?

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  210. pgg,

    ur assumptions about roissy r fucking retarded. the fact he is prolific sheds no light. if he were a trust funder seems unlikely he would have such a proletarian attitude about work. but anyway plenty of prolific bloggers writers who manage to find time. clearly his calling is writing as well as gaming.

    if he were merely fantasizing about his womanizing skills plenty would have called him out on his shit, yet he rarely seems to make such a misstep.

    contrast his expertise on game with other fields where he is clearly delusional and doesnt know of what he speaks.

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  211. @Morsellaux

    Cmon women can’t think logically. Why do you think philosophy, math and science is dominated by men?

    They always say… I ‘feel” blah blah blah.

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  212. Re matriarchates…

    Minoan Crete and Pellasgians. The Minoan matriarchal culture lasted for some 500 years, the Pellasgian, not sure… seems that it originated in Malta where it lasted for millennia (perhaps due to relative isolation), and then emerged into Pellasgian culture (located on the Adriatic half of southern Balkans.

    Roughly about 1200 BCE, both cultures were in steep decline due to natural catastrophes that occurred 3 centuries earlier, for different reasons. In the case of sexually apartheidic Minoan Crete, most of their males were on sea and their ships were wiped out, which resulted in a genetic bottleneck in Crete’s proper that even 3 centuries couldn’t rectify. Also, due to lack of trade and a lack of natural iodine in Cretan diet, there was an epidemic of cretinism which did not have helped things either.

    At that time, a lot of people were looking for milk and honey (or mead more likely) and so were the Dorian Greeks. When they encountered Pellasgians, they simply overrun them.

    Pellasgian males were so emasculated and feeble that they did not have wherewithals in facing the Greek warriors. The Pellasgian women, especially those 30 years and older, were so accustomed to wearing pants that they had no use to Greeks. After a bunch of young Pellasgian women pulled off some nasty stunt (murdering their newlywed young Greek husbands during the first night), in the next few days, Pellasgians were no more. They were hunted down to the last one and killed upon sight.

    Some time after that, when Greeks built up their longer range ships, Crete was a snack for them as well.

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  213. when i say chateau has a proletarian view of work what i mean is he views work as labor not as fun. many view business as fun, good compliment to the life of the libertine. berlusconi and jagger love their work for instance.

    but chateau writes, which is clearly his real work, so dont know exactly what im saying as per usual.

    i guess i was looking for a dig at his phony redneck claim and it didnt work.

    but dont understand his almost, almost left wing view that menial labor is a bad thing. seems the nationists and the libs could hold hands on this issue and raise the min wage to $25 an hour if they think menial labor is such a bad idea.

    seems to be the main argument against mex labor.

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  214. First time post, long time reader…

    I am telling you; nicknames are the way to go…anything you can give a girl is better than calling her by her real name…when I can’t think of anything, I fall back to Sporty Spice…a nice neg, but still comparing her to a celebrity…

    Also, if you can get away with it, “forgetting” her name is golden…if you call her Sally and her name is Sabrina, and you own the frame in that playful way, she will fucking eat that shit up…

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  215. @Reg
    I am freaking out man.

    You should be. You really, really messed up, dude.

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  216. The_King, some women can, though granted, it is an exception to find women in engineering and math related endeavors. Exceptions exist in other aspects of life except relationships. As those are concerned., they are driven by emotional programmed responses. Whether rationalized or not

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  217. @Morsellaux

    Good notes on matriarchies. But were these really matriarchies?
    More woman-friendly, maybe.

    Minoan Crete and Pellasgians. The Minoan matriarchal culture lasted for some 500 years,

    Is this historically attested? I suspect this was true for neither of them. Especially Crete. Also prehistoric Malta. Sounds made-up by feminists. I’d need to see good references. I know you mean well, but even this limited evidence for matriarchies needs to be backed up.

    the Pellasgian, not sure… seems that it originated in Malta where it lasted for millennia (perhaps due to relative isolation), and then emerged into Pellasgian culture (located on the Adriatic half of southern Balkans.

    The Pelasgians were just the indigenous inhabitants of Greece that the Dorians displaced, in the Pelopponese they could have been the source for the Helot population in Sparta; elsewhere, they appear to have been subdued and absorbed. They were organized into matriarchies? That surprises me. What’s a reference? Any classical authors?

    Roughly about 1200 BCE, both cultures were in steep decline due to natural catastrophes that occurred 3 centuries earlier, for different reasons.

    Thera, I assume – it seems to have leveled Crete entirely. The Great Bronze Age Collapse – it struck every part of the Eastern Med. The Sea Peoples (Hyksos in Egypt, Phillistines in Palestine (hence the name), etc.) invaded everything. Might have been the mercenary/warrior class of ruined Crete.

    Nothing matriarchal about those guys. They may have practiced human sacrifice, too.

    In the case of sexually apartheidic Minoan Crete, most of their males were on sea and their ships were wiped out, which resulted in a genetic bottleneck in Crete’s proper that even 3 centuries couldn’t rectify. Also, due to lack of trade and a lack of natural iodine in Cretan diet, there was an epidemic of cretinism which did not have helped things either.

    I really desperately want references for this! Please spill!

    Off-topic, but very interesting.

    At that time, a lot of people were looking for milk and honey (or mead more likely) and so were the Dorian Greeks. When they encountered Pellasgians, they simply overrun them.

    Pellasgian males were so emasculated and feeble that they did not have wherewithals in facing the Greek warriors. The Pellasgian women, especially those 30 years and older, were so accustomed to wearing pants that they had no use to Greeks. After a bunch of young Pellasgian women pulled off some nasty stunt (murdering their newlywed young Greek husbands during the first night), in the next few days, Pellasgians were no more. They were hunted down to the last one and killed upon sight.

    I want to read this (off-topic). Please throw out a reference.

    But the point is made: Matriarchies are a dangerous model to adopt. They don’t stand the test of time well at all.

    Even when they exist.

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  218. Reg, aaawwww shit!

    Special kind of hell…

    Lemme guess, that GF of yours did not tell you she has a STD ahead of hopping on your dick.

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  219. Gorby, the matriarchal stuff is from my memory. I may hunt down the refs, but it won’t be tomorrow. Some of it (Pellasgians) was documented to some decent scope in ancient Greek sources. Crete stuff was hashed as well, but it is more fuzzy. When Dorian Greeks invaded Crete, there was not much left from the matriarchate as the political setup was concerned, only rites were still in practice, more as a tradition rather than a system with teeth. Most of its past was inferred by Greek historians.

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  220. on August 10, 2010 at 2:15 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””AHE
    pgg,

    ur assumptions about roissy r fucking retarded. the fact he is prolific sheds no light. if he were a trust funder seems unlikely he would have such a proletarian attitude about work. but anyway plenty of prolific bloggers writers who manage to find time. clearly his calling is writing as well as gaming.

    if he were merely fantasizing about his womanizing skills plenty would have called him out on his shit, yet he rarely seems to make such a misstep.

    contrast his expertise on game with other fields where he is clearly delusional and doesnt know of what he speaks.
    ””””””””

    For being there when it counted I salute you.

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  221. @Morsellaux

    As a skeptic, I appreciate what you’re up to, showing how matriarchies collapsed and fell to patriarchal states.
    But, …

    Gorby, the matriarchal stuff is from my memory. I may hunt down the refs, but it won’t be tomorrow. Some of it (Pellasgians) was documented to some decent scope in ancient Greek sources. Crete stuff was hashed as well, but it is more fuzzy. When Dorian Greeks invaded Crete, there was not much left from the matriarchate as the political setup was concerned, only rites were still in practice, more as a tradition rather than a system with teeth. Most of its past was inferred by Greek historians.

    Everything I’ve read about the Minoans has wholly discredited the early matriarchal notions; apparently, there’s little to no evidence in actual archaeology. Everything recent has tended to show that a lot of the talk of matriarchies in the early Med was all just hopeful talk by feminists, none of which ever actually panned out. A few mother-goddess rites a matriarchal culture does not make. Not your fault; a lot of things written from about 1960-1990 was poisoned by ideology that had nothing to do with history.

    If I was a feminist, I’d feel intellectually betrayed by and disgusted with these “scholars” who published tripe and wishful thinking.

    It MUST have been true, somewhere, right? Oh look, a different hearth arrangement – Matriarchy! An obscure reference in Herodotus – Matriarchy! A fat female figurine – Matriarchy!

    They saw them everywhere. Actual archaeologists and historians were deeply skeptical and dismissed it.

    Unscrupulous ideologues pushed the notion.

    Witch burning was much the same thing. Claims of millions of women burned in the middle ages turned out to be untrue. It was more like 30,000 over 500 years, and a quarter of them were male “heretics”.

    No one has been able to invent histories of convenience like Marxists and marxist-inspired gender feminists. Almost all of it is crap. Non-historians continue to spout it relentlessly.

    So I think you might have fallen victim to more such stories, … even though your motivations are good.

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  222. Chocolate body paint. Meet her joke with your own. Then you twist the meaning of “chocolate for sex” into “sex for sex”.

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  223. some chick commenter earlier hit on a key point most guys loathe to admit, but should be if this is some sanctuary of truth.

    when guy is getting pussy they want more pussy, but a guy on a dry spell craves the cuddly shit as much or more than the pussy. anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or never been thru a dry spell.

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  224. I agree with X to the Z on #1: Way too much over-thinking, indicating that he probably thinks the 18 year old is above and out of his league.

    It seemed like he was over-thinking before he even walked in the door. An 18 year old home cleaning for him while he was out with the guys…OK…but only if he was out with the guys so he can build his MLTR some more or lifting weights or doing something he really liked….not so he could play head games with the woman he really wanted to be in bed with all along.

    Seriously, he sounded like he would have preferred to have been having sex with her instead of being out with the boys but did the latter to play head games with her. Mistake.

    And what was with her access to his apartment? What if he wanted to bring another woman home from the bar?

    Fast Food = Provider Proof = Mistake? Uh…no. That’s a wash.

    With college girls of an IQ higher than 110, you get provider points when you are able to tell a woman what toxic foods are and show you aren’t going to provide any of that.

    Of course he could have expressed appreciation for the cleaning. He saved $20 there at least. Common sense says one should show appreciation so it keeps happening.

    But the biggest Beta move on this guy’s part is that he let a problem extend past bedtime. Leaving an 18 year old lying on the couch? That showed cowardice.

    I would have playfully dragged her into the bedroom like a caveman, maybe saying “I have to reward you for cleaning the house so well”.

    You just don’t go to sleep with a woman lying in a part of your apartment where she is not with you doing what you want. All problems need to be discussed and clarified and solved before two people go to sleep and one must go to bed together (neither the man nor the woman stays up to read or watch TV).

    Of course, an Alpha won’t let a woman move in nor have access to the apartment any time she likes (unless she is OK with entering a threesome on short notice).

    Regarding #2 – It is Beta to leave the apartment when you don’t want to in order to fetch something trivial. However, if she is cooking YOU a meal and says she really needs salt, olive oil and some milk, just do it. So few women cook these days.

    In the case of the chocolate, a man who remembers things would just remember to buy dark chocolate the next time he shops. He shouldn’t have to use it as a bargaining chip at any time. She isn’t high maintenance asking this. Just do it…but on your own time schedule and don’t stress if you forget a few times.

    Knicknames = Excellent advice

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  225. Gorby, yea, correct that matriarchates are not viable cultures. The time span of matriarchates in easten Mediterranean was a circumstance of the echo of the previous climatic optimum, providing very stable environment.

    Until 1500 BCE. BTW, must have been something of a larger scope, because at that time, a lot of localities ceased to exist, such as Harappa and Mohenjo Daro in India (which is very remote from Thera), even China in the time before Yao dynasty seemed to go through a major trouble with waste brown matter hitting the rotating blades… seems something happened all over.

    With it, the age of man (male) was in ascendancy, at least as Mediterranean is concerned. Elsewhere, no matriarchal culture is known to exist at that time or another.

    One point… the idea that primitive cultures (stone age hunters-gatherers) were matriarchal is utterly preposterous. There are still places in today’s world where these cultures survived in their original form and not one of them is matriarchal. Some are matrilineal, but none are matriarchal. One would suspect that if that was the structure associated with the type of society, it would have survived in some form in a few places. Nada, zip, zilch.
    Without surplus beyond subsistence and acquired wealth (on back of male segment), matriarchal cultures cannot exist.

    The “venuses” figurines of mesolithic cultures were not an expression of goddess, but mere fertility amulets. There were of course (my deduction, but I think my hunch is extremely likely) male counterparts–phallic amulets. But because they were usually and naturally made of wood (LOL), they did not survive or if they fosilized, they’d just look like a wooden stick. Later, during bronze and at the inception of iron age, omphalloi made of stone were found all over place.

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  226. Important: If a woman asks you to go to the corner store to buy her chocolate, one reason why you might gladly do this for her is because you should have other women waiting for you to call them from your cell phone and the grocery store trip will be the perfect opportunity…especially if you plan to kick her out of the apartment after sex and need to solidify plans with another woman to meet you, say, at 11:30PM.

    It isn’t Beta to leave a woman’s presence to do a household errand so much as it would be Beta to establish a pattern where the woman stays overnight when you might want to have more than one date that night.

    Only do this, however, if there is really someone else you need to call out of her presence.

    Just say “I need to buy light bulbs now anyway, so I can fetch chocolate as well”.

    My problem is that smart women catch on quickly to my willingness to be alone for 10 minutes and so they would never want to let me out of their site that long…and, therefore, don’t ask me to do errands alone.

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  227. Gorby, as Crete is concerned, I did not buy the feminist crap or interpretations. Strictly Greek sources, though one has to acknowledge that Greek historians did a reconstruction, based on a second hand (or third as it were). In the case of Pellasgians, they had it first hand, though again some distortion is likely to be present as the stories were written down a while later after they occurred. When I’ve a bit of spare time, I’ll find the refs for you.

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  228. “My problem is that smart women catch on quickly to my willingness to be alone for 10 minutes and so they would never want to let me out of their site that long…and, therefore, don’t ask me to do errands alone.”

    Ya, it’s a good idea to delete phone and text traces before returning. When your in the can, there’s a good chance she’s pouring over your phone.

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  229. AHE;

    some chick commenter earlier hit on a key point most guys loathe to admit, but should be if this is some sanctuary of truth.

    when guy is getting pussy they want more pussy, but a guy on a dry spell craves the cuddly shit as much or more than the pussy. anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or never been thru a dry spell.

    AHA!

    … [search of memory banks] …

    Nope. Either I am an exception, or the notion is false. I don’t crave cuddling (transl.: intimacy) until the relationship is certifiably LTR. Had many dry spells and am telling ya, pussy first!

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  230. Jerry, seems like a bit of rationalization to me. Today it is choc, tomorrow a mink fur coat and the day after tomorrow a Jaguar. Just to buy 10 minutes on your phone? Beta, beta shit.

    Really… think about it… if you send her to the store to allay her choc craving , won’t you be having 10 minutes on your phone as well?

    In any case, you doing something wrong, because you did not plan for your private space (time slice inclusive).

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  231. Have you ever noticed that pretty lesbians, the girly kind, don’t have a cleft upper lip? Their upper lip is flat and thin.

    Check out the friendster friends of lesbians and you’ll see.

    That cleft upper lip is important in a girl, men. Her mouth should remind you of a suckling infant, but that sign is more than a sign of neoteny. Means she likes cock.

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  232. on August 10, 2010 at 3:23 am gunslingergregi

    AHE

    My dad was on like a 15 year dry spell and when I took him to strip club he was afraid I think that he actually wanted to hit some pussy lol

    He was content with just you know being gods will or some shit that he was not gonna get another woman and became angry at his wanting the pussy.

    I think guys may fool themselves into thinking they may want to cuddle but when some nice gash is put in front of them they ain’t trying to cuddle it they want to fuck it.

    Any time I get back from deployment I ain’t fucking cuddling shit unless it is in between fucking the hell out of some pussy.

    Sure I might romanticise the shit when I am deployed but when the reality is there it is pound time.

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  233. on August 10, 2010 at 3:26 am gunslingergregi

    Then ya know after I beat it till my dick doesn’t work anymore then yea maybe some more cuddles are in order.

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  234. Cooking… where to …

    OK. The thing is, for general purposes, the alpha, beta, omega categorizations suffices, because it covers the bulwark of the bell curve distribution.

    However, the outliers are a bit frayed. Things do not fit the neat general boxes well.

    I am what is in some sources called a sigma. Outside the standard social rules. Indy, as it were, in regards to status games as reflected in sexuality.

    Playing my own game (not Game). I am not Alpha, lacking the proper endownment of assholism or looks to be in that category. But I am not a beta either, let alone omega.

    I were always getting chicks based on all sorts of factors and they are as numerous as the occasions. I improvise a lot, once I see some pull is working, I let my gut to decide what candy I may offer. It does not matter whether the chick is 9 or 7, there is no intimidation factor involved since about when I was 14 and grew out of it quick. Haven’t met one 10 yet, though at a distance some 9 may have been considered close to 10, but they all do have flaws to bring it down a notch. I also rate other factors than the skin deep physical factor, that though is the major discerning and discriminating factor. As they say, my dick has a head of its own.

    I would qualify my “confidence” rather as “indifference”. It works somewhat in the same mold as an attractor. But confidence is more “in her face”. Indifference seems to elicit a flair of mystery, or so they say, my squirrels. Of course, once there is a rapport, indifference gets transformed into an interest, but the indifference is still present like a pilot signal. Simply put, there is no pressure, a 9 does not phase me. I enjoy the interaction and experiment. I have the advantage that my pool is from 18 to 40, tough the 18s are not my cup, too boring. I prefer 22s-23s as my lower margin, they are a bit more fun.

    I am cheating a bit. 😉
    I learned as a young lad a bit about suggestion and hypnosis and later some aspects of NLP (applying anchors to provide scaffold for suggestions to find fertile ground). It is not, though, to invoke attraction, rather to cement it. So I am not entirely evil, like exuding magnetism to ensnare hapless femmes to do my dick bidding. 😉

    OK where were we…

    Cooking. I love cooking. There were few cooks in my life that I would rate 10. One was my grandma. She was superb. Just thinking about her food makes my mouth water and she died decades ago. Somehow, I inherited the genes for cooking. Not my sister. Me. I am an excellent cook. I don’t do recipes. I have a cooking imagination. I can mix ingredients in my head and grok the result.

    So, I do cook on some dates. But it is not that the lady would just rest deposited in couch waiting for the meal. She has to participate. I am the master cook and she is an apprentice. I give orders and she follows. Oh yea, she does wash the dishes. That is immutable part of the deal. A small price to pay for the culinary orgy.

    (Professional cook? Nope. I wouldn’t do that to myself, that would wreck my talent.)

    Generally, ladies are horrible cooks. It is probably because they don’t learn, or don’t wan to. Pity. My 1st X was a decent cook (Central European), but it took her years following my instructions. My 2nd X… oh well, American woman, need I say more?

    Ladies, learn to cook if you are interested in VLTR. Not just decent, but as close to excellence as you can. Especially if your man is cognizant with the Game. There is probably nothing (beside sex — don’t forget variety as well and keeping yourself in shape is part and parcel of the package) better to facilitate a solid bond than through the tasty treats you create. You don’t want your man bring home some STD, now, do you? 😉

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  235. on August 10, 2010 at 4:29 am gunslingergregi

    take a vacation dude.

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  236. Lesbians eyes seem less neotenous as well. Not as large. You can check out page after page of cute real life Indonesian lesbians on this girl’s profile http://www.friendster.com/friends/36425218/3

    I’m always careful to get the right vibe and look out of a woman. She has to put off a cock hungry heat. Stay away from thin upper lips, if that’s what you want too, guys.

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  237. Guns,

    The land of Thai? Yea, it is a good fall back in the case the spell seems to last too long. Czech, Slovakia and Western Ukraine are also nice spots… different menu and a tad more expense, but variety is spice of life. Easy and easy on the eye, too.

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  238. FF,

    In texting, you can’t really go wrong by matching the girl’s level of formality and grammar. This girl seems fastidious, so you’re risking looking too uneducated for her. (For a girl who texts like a 14-year-old, on the other hand, you don’t want to write like a professor.)

    The way to appear aloof and not-too-eager is to keep texts short and infrequent. Not illiterate.

    By the way, “fucking with people” is a great attitude for socializing, and will carry you far. But texting a hug emoticon is not fucking with people. Even fucking with people needs to be a little coherent.

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  239. Heh, the whole thing about cuddles reminds me of this anecdote. By the end of it, you may be having a hard time deciding between a facepalm or a chuckle.

    About three years ago, before I even knew what this whole PUA thing was, we got a girl at work who was doing a 6-month internship; foreign student and all that. Your spider senses may be tingling already.

    For some reason she took a liking for me (maybe because I speak Spanish and she had had a “fun time” in South America a couple of years back on a similar internship; so, yeah). But she had a boyfriend. Did I mention she had a boyfriend? Because it was fun, but she had a boyfriend, you know?

    Well, at this point my self-amusement kicked in. So she has a boyfriend. Cool beans.

    It didn’t stop her from throwing herself at me (while reminding me that she had a boyfriend, can I have a few nods please? Thanks). But for some reason I wouldn’t escalate.

    And again, throw herself at me. Cuddle up, do the scratching thing, wanting to go to places together, and no escalation.

    The inevitable “LJBF” happened of course, great! She seemed a bit anxious while delivering it, but that was not a problem. “Of course we’re just friends, that’s fine, what’s the big deal?”

    Surprised, she seemed glad it was over with so quickly, and that was it. Or was it?

    The morning after I get this long-winded e-mail about her being so glad I took it so well, and how she couldn’t understand her feelings when she had a boyfriend and all that. Slyly she kind of implied a question about me feeling like her (this still drives me nuts, no woman I’ve interacted with comes up with a direct question, ever).

    Me: Not really, we’re just friends. It’s nice the way we are now, but it’s not necessarily romantic.
    Her: I didn’t say it couldn’t be romantic! A bit at least. Surely when we cuddled or went together to places it meant something to you?
    Me: Well, you have a boyfriend, so I knew it was just being friendly, no big deal.

    Poor girl was quite confused at that point. And resumed her self-throwing. She left the country really pissed off at me.

    Speaking of indirect questions, the only time she got a reaction from me was once when she showed up at my place one Saturday morning, unannounced:

    I was at the computer writing, gotten into a good groove and had a few ideas that were flowing well. Then I hear a knock at the door.

    I ignore it, I wasn’t expecting visitors. But the knocks continue. 10 minutes and I get up from the computer, cursing and less than happy.

    Well, there she is, all smiles next to her pushbike.

    Her: Hey, couldn’t you hear me?
    Me: What are you doing here?

    Deadpan delivery. No cursing or anything, but flat tone and an obviously displeased demeanour.

    Her: … Look, I got my bike back!

    (Background: the bike had broken down a few days before).

    I look at the bike, look at her, and an uncomfortable silence sets. So she leaves.

    Two days after that she starts spinning some yarn about how her father once got pissed off at her for showing up with some friends by surprise and yadda yadda. I suspect bullshit, but her intentions are so transparent that I cut her and put down the law: No showing up at my house unannounced, not now, not ever, that’s a privilege for close family only.

    She couldn’t just ask, she had to do some yarn spinning. She was surprisingly (well, surprisingly at the time) happy about me coming down on her hard like that and drawing down the line with a permanent marker.

    Taking women at their word is always so amusing.

    Girl: Shut up.
    Me: Okay.

    *I proceed to go talk to other people for the rest of the night.*

    *Girl gets pissy*

    Her: You’re an asshole.
    Me: What? I thought you didn’t want to talk to me.
    Her: Oh shut up.
    Me: Okay.
    Her: %$§&”!

    If you’re wondering what was wrong with me, it’s mostly that women rarely fail to bore me. Sure I was horny and liked to fuck them, but the sheer boredom of putting up with them plus the accompanying drama just didn’t seem worth the couple of times I got my dick wet with them (average number of fucks before the drama starts).

    The drama managing part’s gotten better thanks to Game though, but they still bore me. Ah well.

    Where was I? Oh right, cuddles. They weren’t, aren’t, and probably won’t be an issue, ever. The whole “babying” thing is probably worse, it’s more likely to piss me off than put me in a good mood.

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  240. Hi again gentleman,

    Well the advice I received her yesterday was much appreciated, but had me reduced to a neurotic mess scouring all corners of the internet for info on “game”.

    I figured I’d send the chick a FB message last night (while she was working from 7pm to 7am):

    ****************************************

    ME (12:16 pm): You know I just had to creep your photos, and I’m pleasantly shocked you appear as cute after 0 drinks as you did after …more than 0.

    You told me you’re free weds, thurs NIGHTS. How about Thurs DAY? It’s supposed to be nice and I’ll be free after lunch. We’ll go hiking in the valley/drive somewhere pretty/etc.

    HER (7:52 am): Haha, thanks [my name]. I’m glad I meet your sober self’s approval. Thursday DAY I’m taking my roommate to a gastroscope appointment…delightful (sarcasm assumed). . . but those are the breaks when you’re the nurse/roommate. Her appointment is around 9:30 (that’s if we don’t have to wait…ha…ha. ..hospitals suck) and then I have to stay with her through recovery and “babysit” her for the afternoon. Though your plan does sound better, it’s not feasible Thursday day. The [band] are pretty sweeeet at [bar] on Thursday nights? Just an option, anyhow, I’m off to bed after a long shift.
    Enjoy the rainy day!

    ******************************************

    Okay, things are looking up. If we were speaking in person I’d see major negage opportunities at both her excuse and the fact the bar she suggested is such a generic “first date” type place for progressive yuppies in my city.

    I’m thinking it will be somewhat loud at the bar she suggested, and not a great place for escalating things. The alternatives that come to my mind are (1) do nothing, (2) try and find some random redneck bar out in the sticks and take her there just for a laugh (she’d probably try and tease me or be sarcastic about such a suggestion, and then I could neg her about her painfully unoriginal idea at the place that would be probably pop-up first if you googled “first date” and “the-name-of-my-city”).

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  241. sniper

    “misogyny” implies that the default position for male attitude towards women would be one of respect, equality, “liking” and value

    there is no evidence this is the default setting–the default setting has repeatedly been shown to be rape and murder

    go to a real warzone and see how men treat women who aren’t “theirs”–like meat

    western women have by by dress, pronouncement and open political and physical race treachery declared themselves to no longer belong to “their” men–let the carnage begin

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  242. “when guy is getting pussy they want more pussy, but a guy on a dry spell craves the cuddly shit as much or more than the pussy. anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or never been thru a dry spell.”

    Totally disagree.

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  243. if i can attention whore for a sec…i’m trying to get my gay little blog off the ground and could use some commenters to argue with 🙂 i may be too reactionary to host a blog and may need to stick to commenting on others lol

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  244. @RMM

    That girl wanted you to kiss her and then do her. Like in the movies. It was fairly transparent. Why didn’t you do it?

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  245. Nicknames are great for “branding”…but also when you want to send the message you’re losing interest, you can start using her real name to show her she’s just like all the rest.

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  246. many of us have probably seen ads online using this girl’s image:
    http://www.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_99/46/melissa-theuriau/picture-1.html

    She is married to this creature:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamel_Debbouze

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  247. @Dream Puppy

    A dissection of why I used to act like that goes more or less like this:

    1. All I saw was the ensuing drama. You see, my experience had been always pretty similar: Endure the boredom of dating, finally get laid, and soon thereafter the girl would start to create some pointless drama and I’d get annoyed and pack up.

    After reading that, you’re probably wondering several things:

    – “Why do you care?” Indeed. See, back then I actually bought into the BS that I was supposed to care. You know, get in touch with the feminine side, equal partnership and understand and all that. Keep reading once you’ve stopped laughing.

    Good. So, the point was, this girl constantly mentioning her boyfriend, I was thinking “if I hit it, she’s so going to start shit about him.” Of course now I know better, it was merely a bit of a shit test to give herself some plausible deniability when she claims that it just happened. Just a bit of hamster food.

    – “Why would she start drama?” In my experience, they all did. The reason is of course clear now, I wasn’t giving them enough excitement. So the manufactured drama and shit tests started in full force. Ignoring shit tests completely only takes you so far – you have to pass them (I didn’t do the whole beta supplicant “please tell me what’s wrong” thing at least, but I wasn’t doing anything about them at all: good for starters but it wears thin).

    2. It amused me to do what women said they wanted, even when it was so obvious even I knew they didn’t. That was a bit misguided, while the amusement factor is always there, there was little point in driving satisfaction out of it. I was simply wrong about the reasoning, while I thought back then that women who did that were being two-faced and getting pissed off at me not following what they obviously wanted served them well as a lesson (next time, say what you actually want!), I know now that it’s merely hamster food (see above).

    It’s not that some women do this and are better served with a dish of exactly what they’re asking, it’s that they all (well, most, I still harbor a glimmer of faint, misplaced hope) do it and it’s biologically wired. Learn to feed the hamster and move on.

    With that in mind, and considering my aloofness (there is such thing as too aloof, as shown above) choosing between almost guaranteed drama and amusing myself, amusement won over horniness.

    Of course now I know better. A girl who’s on a 6-month trip abroad, and who’s already attracted to me, and is just looking for a nice fling, wouldn’t need too strong gaming to get involved with in a reasonably healthy fashion during those few months.

    Now if I only managed to get over my finding most women boring, dating would be a lot better.

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  248. Oops, forgot to change login 😀

    Ah well, doesn’t really matter, The Sarlacc persona is for amusement anyway, heh.

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  249. Dana congrats on the blog! Just gotta say this…it’s about time. 🙂

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  250. RMM – sorry for accidentally outing you. If it helps, I’m 12 year old Thai boy, not a Dream Puppy. Sawadeeka.

    I think she was upset because you did not find her irresistible.

    She throws herself at you, comes over to your house, but sets up the barrier of “boyfriend”-

    She expects you to be enticed but conflicted. She was upset that you did not find her “hot” enough to throw caution to the wind and take her. This would validate her as you couldn’t resist her even though she had a boyfriend.

    She called you an asshole because you didn’t validate her narcissism- especially since she made it very easy. The boyfriend thing was just a hurdle for you to pass.

    (disclaimer: and yes, most guys wouldn’t care if a girl had a bf, but SHE cares, therefore she probably thinks you care too).

    Obligatory female self reference: I’ve done this sometimes too, even though I am aware of it. Dude will come in for some loving and I’ll come up with a small playful excuse. He’s supposed to “not care” because he wants me. That validates me and he also gets what he wants. I don’t do it often, but sometimes, when I need the self assurance.

    More than anything, a woman wants to feel very wanted. If you do that, then I think you’re golden.

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  251. And yes, if you had gone for it, she would have said “no, i have a boyfriend.” you say, “i dont care” and continue. It should be smooth sailing from them on.

    But then again I am just extrapolating from my own experiences and chats with friends….what do the guys think? and the ladies? Sniper? Am I a rape enabler? (Sorry I couldn’t resist! I like your pics o____0 )

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  252. Well at least I can honestly say that I had not known true misogyny until I found this blog. I mean, it’s interesting in a sociological/dating economics sort of way but there’s just so much fear, contempt, bitterness and ignorance towards women’s sexuality that holds a lot of these men from true, unemotional enlightenment. It’s really a hurdle they need to move past and fucking girls while being mean to them won’t help.

    wow… reading your comments is like neo dodging bullets. your hate is in slow motion. it is easily swatted away. the overblown histrionic prose just leaps from the page. i can almost hear weepy music in the background. are you even a real person?

    sometimes the most seasoned player meets a woman who gets past his defenses, who gets under his skin and makes him break all of his rules. he goes through life with the mantra that all women are basically the same; then, one day he meets a woman who he actually considers special. that women throws him for a complete loop. you, my dear, are the exact opposite of that woman.

    there is a very basic observation about human nature that i have picked up over the years. when people go through great pains to present themselves as one way, it’s usually because they are hiding the fact that they are not that thing they are trying so hard to be.

    you present yourself as some sort of mystery, some special snowflake or rare flower. the truth, though, is exactly the opposite. all of the silly costumes you dress yourself up in belie the fact that you are really mind-numbingly normal. you’re no princess. you’re as common as they come, eminently replaceable. and, yes, any guy you can convince to buy into your whole ridiculous persona is probably going to have the personality of a wet rag and the sex appeal of david alexander (am i the only one who misses that beta troll?).

    here’s my advice to you. if you ever want to find true happiness in life, if you ever want to find real fulfillment, go take a look in the mirror and admit to yourself just how worthless you are. i am being serious when i say this. you will never find any real happiness in all of your stupid costumes and affected persona. your best bet is to admit how worthless you are and put some energy into finding a man who can handle you in the proper manner. i’d bet an easy c-note that a good rogering coupled with a healthy dose of sexual humiliation would have you quivering and cumming in a manner you never thought possible. in fact, there’s a good chance that you’re already some guy’s bottom. what would he say if he knew you were trolling the internet looking for abuse from strange men?

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  253. My ex-ltr’s nickname for me was ‘shit head’. I never liked it.

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  254. Wait on. I’ve been reading Roissy for a while, but something just hit me.

    Why are Beta and Provider intrinsically linked?

    If women are looking to be impregnated by an Alpha and have their offspring fed by a Provider, isn’t Alpha Provider the optimum masculine model?

    It seems to me the Beta Provider uses his ability to provide to make up for his shortcomings as an attraction-snaring dominant male. The modern Roissy-model Alpha uses his dominance and attractiveness to fill the provided-for woman’s urges to mate upwards. The two (or more) men complement each other to fill the woman’s needs.

    Why not be the whole package?

    Being the Alpha Provider isn’t far from contemporary game wisdom.

    It shouldn’t take much material resources to be. A woman with nightly Alpha cock ain’t going to be too fussed that she doesn’t live in the best house in the best neighbourhood. She’s not going to cuckold a dude she respects. Who pays the bills AND keeps her feeling like a slave to her own attraction for him.

    I don’t buy a girl dinner to impress them. And I don’t buy a girl dinner only after I’ve fucked her a few times and feel they deserve it. I pay for dinner when I’m in control of the whole date. When I know the girl’s going to be scared of offending me by opening her purse. When it’s my call, my dollar, my girl.

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  255. @Gunslingergregi

    What if the arabs or asians just started recruiting the most talented defense researchers just because they offer a better life?

    What are ya gonna do then in a global economy?

    What if really smart guys start getting recruited by the other side and it is easy because their is nothing in us but bullshit laws at some point?

    I’d actually been thinking about this for a while, that Muslim countries could do well by providing science and technology enclaves for nerdy betas from the US. Get to do research and development in a place where you can import willing women from Eastern Europe and Asia to be part of your harem, in a place where US divorce, “palimony”, child support, etc, laws do not apply. Where if the woman turned obnoxious, you could put her on a plane to whatever hell-hole she came from and get somebody else.

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  256. @Sniper

    Well at least I can honestly say that I had not known true misogyny until I found this blog. I mean, it’s interesting in a sociological/dating economics sort of way but there’s just so much fear, contempt, bitterness and ignorance towards women’s sexuality that holds a lot of these men from true, unemotional enlightenment. It’s really a hurdle they need to move past and fucking girls while being mean to them won’t help.

    Translation: refusal to bow to feminism is labeled “fear”, “ignorance” and a lack of “enlightenment”. Spoken like a true leftist feminist.

    What you find here are people who understand your game too well, and choose not to play your game. Instead we play our Game.

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  257. @FF

    You’re doing so well but please for the love of God, lose the texting, it’s no way to game a woman.

    I met a woman, we exchanged numbers, who started texting me a couple days later, her name was Danielle. My best friend is Dan. She started texting me on my phone and her name came up. I pretended like I was talking to my best friend Dan, lots of shyt about what he and I were up to, essentially dropping the hint that we were gaming some women the night before.

    She texted back, “Um, this is Dani, the girl you met last weekend at _______’s”

    I apologised saying, oh, f*ck, I thought you were my mate Dan. Wasn’t paying attention!

    Had her in the sack that Friday.

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  258. @Doug1

    You do realize that all these early 2nd wave feminist claims of widespread current and prehistorical matriarchy have turned a total cropper right?

    Yep, I realize that this is feminist mythology designed to allow feminists to “feel good about themselves”. Much like “afro-centric” myths about Cleopatra being black (when she was Greek), and all the ancient Egyptians being black (they were no more black and Anwar Sadat was).

    ~~~~~~~~

    @Reg,

    You gotta face up to it now, Reg. You are screwed. Man up and deal with it. The truth is going to come out in the very near future regardless of what you do. Your only choices involve whether your wife hears about it from you and gets a chance to scream at you, or hears about it from her doctor. Your also putting the health of your kid at risk with every day you delay ‘fessing up. Man up NOW.

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  259. @FF

    My point being texting is a very dangerous game, it’s a precision instrument. Think of it like talking on the phone – you don’t want to do too much of it, less in fact, because so much can go so wrong quickly. And never text when drunk. You wouldn’t handle a newly sharpened Samarai sword when drunk would you?

    Next time, don’t text or call the next day. She’s seeing you as kind of needy now.

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  260. It’s not so much he is needing. it’s more the fact that people are not able to give emotionally. Rare you will fine someone who is so strong emotionally who is able to give without fear.

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  261. aoefe–

    Darlin, I believe in D/s and all, but you shouldn’t have stood for that. Don’t again in future, ‘K?

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  262. i never understood why primitive matriarchies make women PROUD instead of deeply ashamed

    1000s of years of unrecorded worthless primitive history under women then BOOM men take over INSTANT civilization circa 7000 bc?

    how embarrassing

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  263. stopping by to say i lol’d out loud at the hilarious reinterpretation of that reagan quote. cock slapping face…forever. that one.

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  264. @FF

    Honestly, you have done and are doing soooo many things I would never recommend from a game perspective ( Weak texts, insecurity, constant communication while she’s dismissive, creeping on photos and telling her, trying to take her out during the daytime, etc.)…. But she genuinely seems to be digging you. I say keep going with your gut on this one.

    This is one of those rare occasions where I feel like if you actually applied hardcore game, it might not work so well. You’ve asked for a lot of game advice, but I saw no signs of you applying game…. and things are progressing fine with this girl. Just keep the principles of game handy, eventually you’ll need them.

    If it were me, the goal is to meet in person and have the opportunity to drink with her, with as little chance for flaking as possible…. This makes her idea for Thurs night perfect. The frame set by her making all of the plans is not ideal, but who cares, the ship for you setting a good frame sailed off awhile ago, so just roll with it.

    I think you need to follow your instincts on this, they’ve been counterintuitive but they’ve been effective enough. If you’re switching up the date, and taking her out into the woods at night, for some perceived game notion, I don’t know if this is the right time to start that. Flaking odds are real high, and you don’t want to then backpeddle back to her plans. If you actually don’t want to go to her suggestion thats a different story.

    Bottom line is you want to meet up… you may be but an ancient memory by next week. That band place is your best bet, and its prob near her apt.

    Keep us informed, I’m very curious how this one turns out.

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  265. Gurnard–

    Most alphas in the real world are alpha providers.

    Even the criminal thugs that ghetto black girls are attracted to are alpha providers – that’s a good part of the reason they lead gangs selling drugs — to buy the bling.

    The point is to attract her in pickup with your alpha sex dominant side, not your provider side. That leads to way faster and hotter sex, and to your having hand.

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  266. @Gurnard

    Agreed. Alpha Provider is ideal, especially when dealing with 9s and 10s still at university. A man will sometimes want to do things that fit his budget but may be well out of her budget (the nice suite at the resort + that great dinner at the terrace restaurant overlooking the ocean). It must, however, never result in a woman living with the man, which is what the term Beta Provider implies.

    @Marcellaux

    When one squeeze blocks out a long weekend to spend every waking and sleeping minute with me, I’ll grab a good chance to get a few phone calls in elsewhere to make plans for Monday night and stock up on things I need at a local store. At least I have a policy that I won’t live with a woman longer than a long weekend.

    You’re dead on about the quality of a woman’s cooking having a huge effect on the relationship.

    Women reading this thread should know that cooking lessons are probably critical to their future happiness.

    @FF

    Consider not texting women except to say you’ll be 10 minutes late to a date. Until the past 5 years, men had to call women to set up a date…although there was a 10 year period before that when some Betas got caught up in having to “establish rapport” via email before they got the number to call. Before 15 years ago, men definitely had to call or just show up at their door in order to get a date, whether they were Alpha, Beta or Gamma (Omegas were arrested if they tried showing up).

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  267. @ Doug

    D/s wasn’t even in my vocab at the time. He thought it was funny. He always said it with a twinkle, so I knew he wasn’t being mean. It was just an unattractive name. He kept me in my place that’s for sure.

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  268. FF–

    Whatever has some good criticism but not such hot advice.

    I’m thinking it will be somewhat loud at the bar she suggested, and not a great place for escalating things. The alternatives that come to my mind are (1) do nothing, (2) try and find some random redneck bar out in the sticks and take her there just for a laugh (she’d probably try and tease me or be sarcastic about such a suggestion, and then I could neg her about her painfully unoriginal idea at the place that would be probably pop-up first if you googled “first date” and “the-name-of-my-city”).

    You’re right to not want to go to the unoriginal bar she suggested. Going there is a good way to get slotted into the overly comfortable, long drawn out dating without sex niche.

    The goal is to bring her into your world, not fit into hers.

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  269. @ Gurnard

    Wait on. I’ve been reading Roissy for a while, but something just hit me.

    Why are Beta and Provider intrinsically linked?

    If women are looking to be impregnated by an Alpha and have their offspring fed by a Provider, isn’t Alpha Provider the optimum masculine model?

    In theory, it might be. In practice, Alphas tend to be unreliable providers because of all the OTHER women, and may dump her for a younger hottie. A beta is more likely to be faithful to his wife, so the optimal female strategy is to spend her 20’s chasing alphas (and perhaps getting impregnated by them) and at 30 or so look for a high-income beta to take care of her before her looks are completely gone.

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  270. on August 10, 2010 at 12:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’on August 10, 2010 at 11:00 am Michael
    @Gunslingergregi

    What if the arabs or asians just started recruiting the most talented defense researchers just because they offer a better life?

    What are ya gonna do then in a global economy?

    What if really smart guys start getting recruited by the other side and it is easy because their is nothing in us but bullshit laws at some point?

    I’d actually been thinking about this for a while, that Muslim countries could do well by providing science and technology enclaves for nerdy betas from the US. Get to do research and development in a place where you can import willing women from Eastern Europe and Asia to be part of your harem, in a place where US divorce, “palimony”, child support, etc, laws do not apply. Where if the woman turned obnoxious, you could put her on a plane to whatever hell-hole she came from and get somebody else.

    ”””””””’

    Yea Dubai started it.
    Kuwait is building it now.
    Then yea if you look at shit being built in china it is nuts.
    Arabs tired of being at computers playing a bullshit stock market they want to build shit and create real value not just some fake numbers on a sheet.

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  271. Brant

    thanks for the jolt.

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  272. Aish but poor Dubai. Those buildings…always hubris. Here’s an interesting article on the link between tall buildings and bubbles bursting.

    http://www.alphadinar.com/2009/02/15/correlation-between-the-worlds-tallest-buildings-and-economic-downturns/

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  273. on August 10, 2010 at 12:29 pm gunslingergregi

    Its ok dream because when stock market goes down you have nothing at least you have the tall buildings.

    It is only when they started instituting western style anti smoking laws that it had the bubble burst.
    Cooincidense I think not he he he
    But at tax free for corporations and small free to open one and get a staf included with office. Not to bad a deal for someone probably. But yea they are trying to do it.
    Just problem with dubai is it is small but they are turning it into decent playground as long as they stick to what made it good in first place.

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  274. I would disagree, an economy built on real estate and playgrounds for the rich is no economy at all. They are very fortunate Abu Dhabi has all that oil money and can bail them out. A real economy is one that MAKES or EXTRACTS things. Exports. That’s why i am so bearish (ugh, i feel dirty using that word) about the USA. Service jobs and overpaid government cronies. I’m so sad for my country.

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  275. @Doug1

    Yeah I’m baffled by how FF’s situation is turning out…. Up until her explicit idea for a date, she seemed extremely ripe for flaking. He’s broken alot of game rules, but she’s still responsive … which is very uncharacteristic of an 8.

    How is he gonna bring her into his world and set that frame when he’s texting her and asking her what times are best for him to call her???

    The frame most strive for is already shattered… FF needs facetime. She obviously likes him enough and he already separated himself from the masses in her mind… He needs to advance what began over the weekend before she meets another equally attractive guy and FF suddenly becomes the annoying guy who keeps texting a Facebooking her.

    What I’m saying is not sound “Game” advice, but I think its best tailored to FF’s particular personality and situation.

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  276. FF’s situation actually reminds me of a good friend from college. He was extremely funny and smart, but made no effort in the trying to be tough, macho, or manly department. He was frequently kinda neurotic.

    His only real alpha quality was his extreme self-absorption coupled with his extreme intelligence. He was not extremely good looking but very, very likable.

    He always managed to have a girl, no matter how girly he kinda was… he had some extremely hot girls who dug him. The only problem was without strong game, eventually everyone of these realtionships eventually ended in tragic fashion. Truly tragic cheating.

    Good news is he instantly bounces back with new hot girls, but some traditional game on his part would make him a force.

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  277. Noone should assume the best East European women will move to the Middle East while they are single.

    The climate is better up north where they were born anyway (at least it will be when it cools down in another week).

    Alphas might want to colonize and takeover some place like Moldavia with their offspring in 20 years and then use diplomacy to try to save the poor guys still trapped in the USA.

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  278. on August 10, 2010 at 12:48 pm gunslingergregi

    Dream Puppy

    ””’But at tax free for corporations and small free to open one and get a staf included with office. Not to bad a deal for someone probably. But yea they are trying to do it.””’

    Not just for rich. But yea what if all the rich go there?

    But yea china actually has the room and people to do it bigtime.

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  279. dana:

    i never understood why primitive matriarchies make women PROUD instead of deeply ashamed

    1000s of years of unrecorded worthless primitive history under women then BOOM men take over INSTANT civilization circa 7000 bc?

    how embarrassing

    Dana you are amusing. I’ve never read a woman who thinks like you, to the point where sometimes I question whether you’re really a woman or not.

    If you are, it’s like God accidentally put a male brain in your head in the factory.

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  280. on August 10, 2010 at 1:07 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    IN response to email #2:
    “and for ten i could do whatever i want.”

    Go buy her the ten chocolate bars, give them to her. Tell her to get in the bedroom and get ready.

    Then grab your golf clubs and meet your buddies at the course.

    When she opens her yap, remind her that you could do WHATEVER YOU WANT.

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  281. on August 10, 2010 at 1:41 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””I would qualify my “confidence” rather as “indifference”. It works somewhat in the same mold as an attractor. But confidence is more “in her face”. Indifference seems to elicit a flair of mystery, or so they say, my squirrels. Of course, once there is a rapport, indifference gets transformed into an interest, but the indifference is still present like a pilot signal. Simply put, there is no pressure, a 9 does not phase me. I enjoy the interaction and experiment. I have the advantage that my pool is from 18 to 40, tough the 18s are not my cup, too boring. I prefer 22s-23s as my lower margin, they are a bit more fun.

    I am cheating a bit. 😉
    I learned as a young lad a bit about suggestion and hypnosis and later some aspects of NLP (applying anchors to provide scaffold for suggestions to find fertile ground). It is not, though, to invoke attraction, rather to cement it. So I am not entirely evil, like exuding magnetism to ensnare hapless femmes to do my dick bidding. 😉
    ”””””

    lol wtf Yea like no matter how much you want it you toss some shit out there if she doesn’t respond no big deal. Yea you liked it but she wasn’t willing to put in effort on her end so fuck it close the door.

    ”””””Cooking. I love cooking. There were few cooks in my life that I would rate 10. One was my grandma. She was superb. Just thinking about her food makes my mouth water and she died decades ago. Somehow, I inherited the genes for cooking. Not my sister. Me. I am an excellent cook. I don’t do recipes. I have a cooking imagination. I can mix ingredients in my head and grok the result.

    So, I do cook on some dates. But it is not that the lady would just rest deposited in couch waiting for the meal. She has to participate. I am the master cook and she is an apprentice. I give orders and she follows. Oh yea, she does wash the dishes. That is immutable part of the deal. A small price to pay for the culinary orgy.

    (Professional cook? Nope. I wouldn’t do that to myself, that would wreck my talent.)

    Generally, ladies are horrible cooks. It is probably because they don’t learn, or don’t wan to. Pity. My 1st X was a decent cook (Central European), but it took her years following my instructions. My 2nd X… oh well, American woman, need I say more?
    ””””””’
    I refuse to cook unless it is taking steak and placing on grill. Although I did make brownies once for my wifes whole family so they could try them as a supreme act of love. For some reason the woman I am most sexually compatible with don’t know how to cook lol
    But it endears them to me that when they get with me they begin to learn how as best and fast as they can. he he he
    I never tell them it tastes good if I think it tastes like shit. I tend to throw the plate at the wall.
    j/k
    But yea I do couch it a little but not to much.
    I will try new things though probably why I was close to death in kuwait one night from some superfirehot shit that was cooked he he he

    ”””’on August 10, 2010 at 11:57 am Doug1
    Gurnard–

    Most alphas in the real world are alpha providers.

    Even the criminal thugs that ghetto black girls are attracted to are alpha providers – that’s a good part of the reason they lead gangs selling drugs — to buy the bling.

    The point is to attract her in pickup with your alpha sex dominant side, not your provider side. That leads to way faster and hotter sex, and to your having hand.
    ”””’
    that makes a lot of sense.

    ”””””Okay, things are looking up. If we were speaking in person I’d see major negage opportunities at both her excuse and the fact the bar she suggested is such a generic “first date” type place for progressive yuppies in my city.

    I’m thinking it will be somewhat loud at the bar she suggested, and not a great place for escalating things. The alternatives that come to my mind are (1) do nothing, (2) try and find some random redneck bar out in the sticks and take her there just for a laugh (she’d probably try and tease me or be sarcastic about such a suggestion, and then I could neg her about her painfully unoriginal idea at the place that would be probably pop-up first if you googled “first date” and “the-name-of-my-city”).
    ””””””””
    She wants to go to loud place because she doesn’t want to hear you talk she wants you to dominate her physically and fuck her. Then after that you can take her to all the road trips and other shit you want. So your in the loud place and you do what you did before touch her and kiss her and get her to your place and fuck her.
    Then you get to be the beta chump to an extent.
    She is trying to help you not fuck it up.

    ””””””Jerry
    Noone should assume the best East European women will move to the Middle East while they are single.

    The climate is better up north where they were born anyway (at least it will be when it cools down in another week).

    Alphas might want to colonize and takeover some place like Moldavia with their offspring in 20 years and then use diplomacy to try to save the poor guys still trapped in the USA.
    ”””””’
    lol would be funny if this blog would colonize a place. I could see living there. Maybe for summers he he he

    ””””’It shouldn’t take much material resources to be. A woman with nightly Alpha cock ain’t going to be too fussed that she doesn’t live in the best house in the best neighbourhood. She’s not going to cuckold a dude she respects. Who pays the bills AND keeps her feeling like a slave to her own attraction for him.

    I don’t buy a girl dinner to impress them. And I don’t buy a girl dinner only after I’ve fucked her a few times and feel they deserve it. I pay for dinner when I’m in control of the whole date. When I know the girl’s going to be scared of offending me by opening her purse. When it’s my call, my dollar, my girl.
    ””””””””
    You came up with it. Yea basically I think it is being man enough to say no to protect her from herself. And having the wisdom to know when to listen to her advice.

    ””””what
    It’s not so much he is needing. it’s more the fact that people are not able to give emotionally. Rare you will fine someone who is so strong emotionally who is able to give without fear.
    ”””’
    even I fear that more than getting money stolen he he he
    Emotional pain from love is a bitch already.

    ””””””RMM
    2. It amused me to do what women said they wanted, even when it was so obvious even I knew they didn’t. That was a bit misguided, while the amusement factor is always there, there was little point in driving satisfaction out of it. I was simply wrong about the reasoning, while I thought back then that women who did that were being two-faced and getting pissed off at me not following what they obviously wanted served them well as a lesson (next time, say what you actually want!), I know now that it’s merely hamster food (see above).

    It’s not that some women do this and are better served with a dish of exactly what they’re asking, it’s that they all (well, most, I still harbor a glimmer of faint, misplaced hope) do it and it’s biologically wired. Learn to feed the hamster and move on.
    ””””””’
    Well some woman do appreciate the the spontaneous shit you will do that amuses you. Your job is to look at what they want and do the cost benefit analysis for them because they don’t know how to do it. That is where your power of the man comes in to say no to shit like a giant house if you can’t afford it just so they can have some percieved status instead of real spending money to do some spontaneous cool shit.

    Or knowing how to help them get what they really want out of life and including them in yours.

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  282. @Whatever,

    I’m probably not like the friend of yours in that I don’t project extreme confidence/arrogance in real life with strangers. I’m physically a big guy – I look like a big dumb jock. But I’m also a mathematician (in grad school for it), which is probably good for, as someone else said, “contrast”. I don’t have a good idea of how “good-looking” I am. I’ve only ever been myself, so I don’t know what amount of purely superficial attention I should be getting to evaluate that. But I do know guys who get more, so I’m not exceptionally (as in, could rely on that alone) good looking.

    As I said, the beta chicks I’m used to gaming act completely dominated around me – nervous, giggly, obsessive, clingly, etc. But with more alpha chicks I don’t even bother. The only game I know is when you’re in a position of (supposed) social superiority to your target, and you just fire away. I should probably begin turning my boldness on hot girls, but at first (sober anyways), it’s going to be super lame. In the back of my mind, I’m going to know it’s a facade, and then I’ll be thinking whether they can tell too, and then come across as beta. With beta-girls, there’s none of that. But it cannot be as simple as a “mind over matter” type of thing, for the alpha girls really are demanding materially more (looks, money, status, etc.), and it’s difficult to fake that.

    My personality does (to be generous) border on eccentric, and it’s difficult to strike the right balance between moderating that and being natural. I think in the back of my mind, sadly, when talking to alpha chicks there is a tendency to moderate myself, and come across as dull (a gentle, boring, harmless young man studying math). And, of course, this is when I get introduced to them: I generally only approach girls when I’m completely wasted.

    Anyway, where this rant is going is this: I need to experiment more, put some of this theorizing to work. I’m going to proceed as if the chick at hand is a beta-girl, and see what happens. I don’t want to go to that stupid bar she proposed, looking like some well-socialized gentle beta out with the pretty yuppie girl at the “safe choice” bar for a date. I hate the band that is playing and am just not comfortable sitting there nodding my head to lame, angstful rock. I’d genuinely like to do something active/outdoors but can’t think of anything right now.

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  283. @gunslingergregi:

    I don’t know about that. This girl is quite conservative (family pics/references, “Christian” religious views, wholesome looking betas in all her pics, light light partying, a pic of her in church), and I’m suspecting looking for a long-term relationship. In the haze that was Saturday night I can distinctly remember her noting disapprovingly “you’re only here for three more weeks”, trying to shit test me when I was trying to escalate things (can’t rememeber the specific context it came up, but definitely signaling she’s looking for a relationship).

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  284. Re. e-mail 1: This assumes you acknowledged her having cleaned up your place (if you didn’t, you deserve a cool attitude, IMO): You said this was a chick you are “fucking on a regular basis,” not a girlfriend or anything. Maybe she didn’t join you in bed because you didn’t invite her to and she didn’t want to be presumptuous. You left her with a “You kiddies don’t stay up too late,” not a “Have some fun, you two. Door’s open when you get tired.” If she didn’t join you after such an invitation, I’d be worried. But as things stand — well, I definitely wouldn’t go all hater on her because she’s not a mind-reader. She might be thinking “Man, I cleaned his apartment, and he ignored me.” This would be triply true if you didn’t thank her for cleaning your place.

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  285. on August 10, 2010 at 2:37 pm almost 40 year old virgin

    Ah, I see you fellas still firmly grounded in the reptilian part of your brain with all the manipulating and posturing. Nothing new then.

    @Reg, you´ve come to the right place. Full of “alphas” like you are. Sucks when the consequences start piling in, eh?

    Well at least you managed to propagate your worthless genes, unlike “the studs” here. At least with the soon x-wife, wouldn´t be so sure of the herpes mother-ship.

    As for the alpha-provider discussion.
    YES!
    Those ARE the actual alphas responsible for advancing societies. What you have her posturing as alphas is what was formerly called A CAD.
    Their genetic success is on par with mine.

    Heh.

    Only thing they provide is entertainment for the feministas and “fucking up” the minute number of normal women that fall into their claws.

    Not that I care much for either anymore.

    Have fun guys while it lasts, maybe one day you´ll actually wake up to the real show.

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  286. It’s interesting in trying to think as if a hot girl is beta: if she were beta, and I found her as attractive as I do I’d be gung-ho going in for the kill (going to the lame bar, sure). On the other hand, if she were beta I’d surely not be that attracted to her to justify spending time/money/social-stigma-of-being-scene-with-beta-girl in a lame bar.

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  287. I’m shocked this gif hasn’t been posted yet: http://www.dang.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/slap.gif

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  288. on August 10, 2010 at 2:56 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea but the alpha girls want you to turn them into this.

    ”””””As I said, the beta chicks I’m used to gaming act completely dominated around me – nervous, giggly, obsessive, clingly, etc. ”””””’

    They don’t need a man but they dooooooooo
    neeeeeeeeed a man.

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  289. on August 10, 2010 at 3:14 pm gunslingergregi

    Just like some men neeeeeddd to tame these alpha hos and bring them under his command.

    But yea if your not one of those guys why not just take one of the beta chicks that wants to please you?

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  290. Sharp

    thanks lol ill take it as a compliment as always

    i will tell you that my personality here is severely redacted. in deference to my husband and the fact i tend to post on male dominated sites i try to remove all human warmth and femininity from my online persona

    mission accomplished!

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  291. Bad advice man with the choclolate. Why would u piss her off for no good reason? Just take a bite and tell her she can eat the rest while u do it with her. It’s romantic.

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  292. #2

    You tell the girl you have a surprise back at your place that you think she will enjoy.

    When she gets there, she sees the 10 chocolate bars inside a large dog cage. On top of the cage are various whips, canes, gags, clamps and ropes.

    You then say to her, “you said anything, now get in the cage (in the tone and voice of Keith David’s character from Requiem for a Dream)”. If she starts to play along, and you play your role right, she’ll do anything you say from then on.

    If not, tell her your disappointed and calmly tell to her leave.

    Invite her over the next day. Before she comes over, arrange the scene so there are half eaten bars around the cage, smudges on the floors, chocolate handprints on the walls (don’t worry, magic erasers really are magic), ropes tied into various forms (consult S&M sites), and just a little ketchup on the canes would do nicely as well.

    Act as if everything is fine. If she brings up the scene or asks what happened, tell her, “the chocolate bars are all gone, and you missed your chance, but what’s done is done”.

    Note: it helps if you actually have a backup slave both for your strong mental state and for an accurate representation of the scene.

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  293. @almost 40 year old virgin

    Ah, I see you fellas still firmly grounded in the reptilian part of your brain with all the manipulating and posturing. Nothing new then.

    Nice shaming femilingo you got going there.
    Lemme spell it for you. Some guys get the manipulation and posturing naturally. They are called alpha (or also a special category sigma in some classifications).

    Those called beta aren’t genetically deficient. They just bought femiology hook, line and sinker. Bamboozzled.

    With a dissolution of the western society at large, with values system built over millennia that was within 2 generations tossed into a trashcan, the women that lack a moral compass are out of control. They are the primary agent of resorting to the reptilian part of the brain.

    The men, no matter what is their classification, alpha. beta, omega, gamma, delta, are screwed. And not in the good way. The set of laws governing heterosexual relationships in US and to some degrees in other anglosphere countries, provides men with no incentives to form lasting, long term relationship. And if a man tries despite, his good deed does not go unpunished.

    Well at least you managed to propagate your worthless genes

    The “worthless” genes are responsible for many things that you take for granted. The bridge you cross every morning and afternoon going to/from work, the apartment complex or house you live in… manifesting in millions of subtle ways all around you. You just never think where these things came from and how. Had this neighbor, he was a typical omega. Loner, hopeless with women. One day, the house across the street caught fire. Before firemen arrived, the mother got out with one kid, a boy. Her girl was still inside. There were some onlookers, some of them men . The mother looked very desperate, but no one thought of going into that inferno. I was just coming towards the house when I saw my neighbor a bit ahead of me. He ran inside and in a couple of minutes, just before firemen arrived, he brought out the girl. He suffered some third degree burns and his left hand and face bears some scaring since that day. He did not get any more handsome because of it.

    Worthless genes… my ass.

    As for the alpha-provider discussion.
    YES!
    Those ARE the actual alphas responsible for advancing societies.

    Nope. Sizable segment of men of all strata and classifications have been responsible for advancing societies. So applies to women.

    But that is in the past. The way things are going, even alpha-providers are going on a marriage strike.

    Only thing they provide is entertainment for the feministas and “fucking up” the minute number of normal women that fall into their claws.

    Once again, you show that you have no understanding, nor comprehension of what is going on.

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  294. @dana

    i will tell you that my personality here is severely redacted.

    Maybe you should include some of your warmth and femininity.

    OTOH, the truth is the truth, no matter whether expressed by a man or woman.

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  295. FF

    I’m going to proceed as if the chick at hand is a beta-girl, and see what happens.

    Yes, that’s the idea. Have the frame that you’re the prize. And no don’t go to the bar with the band you don’t like that everyone goes to in your burg. Downgrade her looks in your mind, to begin with.

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  296. @FF

    She sounds nice and from her replies, you’re in the Friendzone. There is no sexual tension from her replies.

    She sees you as a kind of quirky Ross, from Friends type.

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  297. on August 10, 2010 at 6:49 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’He suffered some third degree burns and his left hand and face bears some scaring since that day. He did not get any more handsome because of it.””””

    That has to own to have on your internal resume though.
    Sweet.

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  298. @Morsellaux

    The “worthless” genes are responsible for many things that you take for granted. The bridge you cross every morning and afternoon going to/from work, the apartment complex or house you live in… manifesting in millions of subtle ways all around you. You just never think where these things came from and how.

    You’re very right.

    Bill Gates does not look like any sort of Alpha, nor does he have any sort of reputation as a ladies man. Nor does Steven Hawking. Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison didn’t either. The bulk of human advancement comes from scorned, nerdy betas, and civilization did not take off until a system came into existence (monogamous patriarchy) which allowed these people to have women of their own to cherish and provide for.

    If you want to see what things look like when this system breaks down, look no further than the alpha-paradise of the “inner city”. There women have no need for beta husbands, and the betas feel no need to work beyond what’s necessary to keep them in beer and off the streets. For some, the “off the streets” is optional.

    If the beta males do not get their fair share of pussy, forget about them having any interest in keeping the world going.

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  299. on August 10, 2010 at 7:06 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’The men, no matter what is their classification, alpha. beta, omega, gamma, delta, are screwed. And not in the good way. The set of laws governing heterosexual relationships in US and to some degrees in other anglosphere countries, provides men with no incentives to form lasting, long term relationship. And if a man tries despite, his good deed does not go unpunished.”””””

    Well right now I am getting to know an american woman but I could basically get her to point of making 10k per month without her having to work too much. So I feel comfortable in starting some kind of relationship and see where it goes.
    Because she doesn’t have to be a career woman but can potentially be a family woman and get satisfaction from managing her own project with my help.

    Woman are kind of under the same shit too and also need to throw off a lot of bullshit in order to achieve congruency with their own souls about what they really want out of life.

    See what happens and the dynamic involved.

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  300. Morselleaux–

    Nope. Sizable segment of men of all strata and classifications have been responsible for advancing societies.

    All strata of attractiveness to women.

    It’s largely men in the smart fraction, IQ’s above 107 or 110 according to La Griffe du Lion, who are important for modern advanced societies.

    It was men above that who were responsible for all past civilizational advances as well. There are no designers of bridges nor Roman aquaducts nor designers of pyramids or Euclidean geometry below that level of intelligence.

    Hence Haiti’s troubles and those of sub Saharan Africa generally.

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  301. Morsellaux

    The set of laws governing heterosexual relationships in US and to some degrees in other anglosphere countries, provides men with no incentives to form lasting, long term relationship. And if a man tries despite, his good deed does not go unpunished.

    Yeah, marriage in America is simply foolish for American men. When you get to that stage with someone, have her live with you instead, “at least to begin with”. Then repeatedly explain to her how marriage kills passion in the vast majority of couples. As well how marriage has now become an entirely one sided deal for women that often ends quite horrifically for men.

    Have you read this? Everyone who reads this blog should read this.

    http://unfrozencaveman.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers.pdf

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  302. @Dream Puppy:

    RMM – sorry for accidentally outing you.

    It’s not a big deal. As I said, the persona is merely to post amusing things, I don’t use it for arguing under disguise or anything like that – you’ll notice I never touch upon the discussions and merely make side comments. So who’s actually behind the wheel is largely irrelevant.

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  303. on August 10, 2010 at 10:27 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea dudes blog was interesting trying to be somewhat like me and shit he he he

    We could almost be bros but he swears less and makes sentences.

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  304. on August 10, 2010 at 10:41 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””Michael
    @Morsellaux

    The “worthless” genes are responsible for many things that you take for granted. The bridge you cross every morning and afternoon going to/from work, the apartment complex or house you live in… manifesting in millions of subtle ways all around you. You just never think where these things came from and how.

    You’re very right.

    Bill Gates does not look like any sort of Alpha, nor does he have any sort of reputation as a ladies man.
    ””””’

    Twitch reaction every time I hear gates mentioned. He gets a sexual vacation from his wife once a year.

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  305. Doug, thanks! An excellent reading. Filled some gaps, though the overall theme must be now well established and known, right? So would one think… but the plethora of clueless people of both sexes does not bode well for the continuation of civilization.

    Quote: “If her stories provide the glimpses, one shudders to imagine what the full-length view would look like.”

    Dices were thrown. The GA (game artists) will inherit the world.

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  306. Gun, Gates has sex? With HIS wife? Look at her lips. She is a clammed shell. I think he married as a social convention, providing his wife would not demand that utterly silly and ridiculous thing–sex.

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  307. on August 11, 2010 at 1:26 am (R)Evolutionary

    @Michael, Doug Gorbachev, & Morcelleax

    Re: Ancient matriarchal/matrilineal societies,

    It’s a big challenge peering into the annals of pre-history to illuminate shifts between patriarchy & matriarchy/matrilinearity. Certainly the evidence so far shows that there were fairly wide variances across time and cultural domains in prehistory. A few surviving matrilineal and/or polyamorous cultures existed until the last century. A Venezuelan(??) coastal tribe was both matrilineal & polyamorous, which makes sense considering the hypergamous instinct in women would be freed to mate up at every opportunity in a matrilineal society. I forget the name of the tribe, but they were described at length in a Nat-Geo article a few years back. The article validated one of your claims that the matrilineal culture would be an easy target for the stronger leadership and more aggressive tone of surrounding patriarchal tribes, and that’s exactly what was happening in the article–other tribes were coming in & trying to take over, and the local government was trying to stop the intertribal violence, but the vulnerability of the matrilineal tribe made them too easy of a target.
    Another similar case was that of the Senoi in Malaysia, another polyamourous (mostly polyandrous)/matriarchal society, which was overrun and absorbed by about 1960ish by surrounding tribes through slavery, etc, and later by industrial culture.
    The commonality between the cultures: both were rainforest dwelling peoples who focused on gathering and growing plant-based food, with low animal content and thus low protein & fat in the diet. The men of both tribes were of the low-testosterone varieties–a society of beta/omegas. In both tribes, paternity was never questioned, and all the tribal men helped contribute to the raising of the kids, and no one knew who the dads were..a feminist utopia, no doubt. But neither tribe survived in its undisturbed format..the only way those tribes could survive was in the isolation of a plentiful and undisturbed rainforest. They could not survive repeated contact or proximity from either other tribes or industrial culture.
    The diet connection squares with other recent evidence showing that high-meat diets in later hunter-gatherer societies led to both increases in testosterone and growth in the frontal cortex. This also fits well with what we know of northern European prehistoric patterns–they were nomadic meat-based hunter-gatherers who were patriarchal and high T, and this long history of eating lotsa meat brought up their collective IQ. Even now, Scandinavians are known to eat cold, raw meat for breakfast. Contrast that with the current PC-SWPL obsession with vegetarianism..
    Now looking at what we know of prehistoric northern Africa–it was all forest, from Morrocco eastward across the Nile valley, across the Suez Isthmus, across the Arabian Peninsula and Persia. Most or all of it was primeval forest, and our ancient ancestors there were hunter-gathereres, emphasis on gathering. Environmental degradation left less gatherable food, and then the emphasis began to shift to big game, which there was more intertribal competition for. The higher protein & fat content led to bigger, stronger, higher T men, and eventually intertribal warfare. Some thin, but compelling evidence suggests that some of the Old Testament stories like Cane & Abel represent tribes, not individuals. It may be that the ongoing tension between Arab and Hebrew cultures goes back to ancient clashes over forest resources, with each tribal culture blaming the other for the loss of the primeval forest that was their home. It may also be that the Arab obsession with burkhas & controlling their women is a nod to the fact that it was women’s hypergamous and materialistic impulses which led to both intertribal warfare and continued environmental degradation.. they realized they fucked up eons ago, and evolved a mechanism to keep their collective hand. I’m not assigning a value judgement, just making some possible correlations to prehistoric conditions.
    Eventually environmental degradation–slash & burn agriculture, followed by continuous ovegrazing-led to progressive desertification of the entire region, leaving the bleak landscape we see throughout the middleast today.
    I digress. The modern take-home message revolves around eating & living in more or less paleolithic ways–eating foods that support high T, like grass fed & game meats & vegetables, and avoiding those that do not (grainy carbs and soy), in addition to cultivating alpha hunter ways…
    So @FF–you shoulda picked up the the couch-dwelling 18-year old over your shoulder, caveman style, and tossed her on the bed, Paleo-style. That should induce ‘gina tingle & wetness and thus willing hot sex..and if not, THEN kick her out. She did clean your apartment..next time, get her to do it in a French Maid outfit, and bang her senseless as she grips the newly polished kitchen sink.

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  308. (R)Evolutionary, you butchered my nick! 😉
    No big, itsa… itsa nick…

    A quip… the split of Hebrew/Arab proto-tribe came up later, with Isaac and Ishmael. The Ishmaelites moved to the south of Arabian peninsula (Hadramaut) while proto-Jews remained in the Judea/Levant. The name Hebrew probably originates from Assyrian habiru (possibly a corruption of a Sumerian loan word) which means wanderers or nomads. Assyrians, Moabites, Edomites–they all were the descendants of the original Abrahamic peoples.

    Just for a more deep look into past, there was a tribe in the area west of Kasmir that about 3000BCE started to move westward, under the pressure of indoeuropean tribes that pushed from northwest. It had two classes, merchants and warriors. There is still a trace of this tribe in local vocabulary. The merchant class, puni, moved first and occupied the Levant area. The warrior class, yahdi, was a second wave after the tribe could no longer remain in the area and bare a small remnant that assimilated with invaders, they left too, to join their brethren in Levant. Culturally, they were already distinct groups, though, and in time they separated, puni (Greek: Phoinikoi, Phoenician: Kana`an, Hebraic: Kna`an) become more warrior-like, while yahdi (Yehudi) more merchant-like. But Solomon rule later on drew on the former warrior glory.

    At the time of Exodus, Jews migrating out of Egypt met Amalek tribe, migrating into Egypt. The term Amalek has been associated with the tribe later, a corruption of “malik” which is arabic for “king”, or in the Egyption parlance, pharaoh. The Amalek were called also Hyksos by Greeks. Don’t let the confused historians tell you something else. While Amalek occupied Egypt for hundreds of years until Solomon intervention while assimilating except the ruler class, Jews started to establish settlement in the Arabian peninsula. There was no outright animosity between Jewish settlers and the Arab indigenous tribes, rather a peaceful coexistence. Jews provided agriculture and trades, while Arabs managed the trade routes, until Islamic expansion.

    Interesting data on the matriachal tribes. BTW, Australian Aborigines were mostly matrilineal, but never matriarchal.

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  309. Roissy, any chance of a glossary of terms in the near future? I understand most through osmosis but it would be good to fill the gaps!

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  310. FF again…

    Will go out with that chick Thursday. FB exchange confirming:

    ********************

    ME (8:24 pm): The [bar], huh? Okay, but I wanna go out earlier (if it’s nice) to have some drinks outside. So somewhere (let you know) with a patio 8/9pm then Seahorse. And PLEASE no wearing crowns of dandylions in your hair, okay? 😉

    HER (8:05 am): Early evening for drinks is fine with me . . . and I’ll have you know those were daisies and as such I can promise nothing. 🙂 So Thurs evening it is, toodle-pip! I’m off to bed.

    ********************

    I took some of the advice above to not use “ish” and to be more commanding as opposed to requesting things. Though at this point those are pretty minor details.

    I’ll try and meet her somewhere I’m more comfortable with, and where people I know hang out. This way I’ll (i) get some some “social proof” being seen with the hot girl (haha, sounds so gay saying that), and (ii) I’ll hopefully see some hot girls I know and if greeting them act a little coy as if I’m fucking them/dating them.

    Then hopefully get a booze on and have her loosened up for when we go to her place. I’m thinking she’s either (i) a beta-provider seeking girl looking to vet me for LTR material, or, less likely, (ii) a horny “good-girl” seeing me as someone good to slut it up a bit since we have no mutual friends, and I’m leaving town in a few weeks. I’ll update Friday 😉

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  311. on August 11, 2010 at 2:19 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Morselleaux (fixed the excessively French spelling I used earlier… my bad.)

    Very interesting stuff on the deep history of the Ishmaelites, Hebrews & Arabs. I take it you’re familiar with Daniel Quinn’s writings.
    This area of study is fascinating, because I think it portends much about where our civilization is going. With the breakdown of thousands of years of tribal marriage-based mores and rules, we’re seeing an atavistic rush back to earlier sexual ontologies. Knowledge is power, and game can make it enlightened atavism for the alpha gamesman.
    The Australian Aboriginals as well as the North American plains Indian tribes are a great example of the balance that comes from patriarchy & matrilinearity. Their diet’s rich enough to provide the high T necessary for dominance. Some de facto harems were seen, as the strongest braves could keep several women. At the same time, women’s hypergamy was more or less allowed, because they owned the property and could kick their man out & start over if they needed, and the tribe made sure that there was a replacement quickly (just like now), because “a woman need a man to hunt for her.” They developed a natural system that honored and controlled both men’s and women’s natural tendencies in a way that works for everyone. The men felt exalted, the women honored. Native American women, several of them, have told me that for them to demand equal rights would be to go backwards. But the men didn’t feel slighted, and didn’t feel put upon. They got to do what they wanted–hunt & fish, and play warrior games, and the women got to raise the kids & take care of the domestic side. From each, according to their ability, and to each, according to their needs, sexually speaking.
    That’s what we need to aspire to, and that’s why we need game.

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  312. @FF

    Good idea for early drinks outside, I like it…. and the FB message looked good too. Good luck.

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  313. on August 11, 2010 at 6:35 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Morsellaux
    Gun, Gates has sex? With HIS wife? Look at her lips. She is a clammed shell. I think he married as a social convention, providing his wife would not demand that utterly silly and ridiculous thing–sex.
    ”””””
    lol you might be right going along with xsplats theory on the thin lipped lesbians.

    My woman has talked about her lips getting bigger from all the dick sucking. he he he

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  314. on August 11, 2010 at 7:04 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””’on August 10, 2010 at 8:34 pm RMM
    @Dream Puppy:

    RMM – sorry for accidentally outing you.

    It’s not a big deal. As I said, the persona is merely to post amusing things, I don’t use it for arguing under disguise or anything like that – you’ll notice I never touch upon the discussions and merely make side comments. So who’s actually behind the wheel is largely irrelevant.
    ”””””””’
    I think you should continue the man with no name shit though it probably allows you more leway to be creative and funny.
    he he he
    I finally figured one out though gbfm.
    mua mua haahahahahahahaha
    But yea had it when you confessed to the sci fi shit a while ago.
    You did a great job though.

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  315. Email #1:

    This seemed not like a dating relationship, but more like a FWB situation. So why does he feel entitled to sex? She’s seems great, folding his laundry while waiting for him to come home. But he apparently walked in the door pissed off (about what even he might not know), and proceeded to screw up a good thing he had going with her. Then he says he decided to give her one last chance. How? By saying “you kiddies don’t stay up too late.”? How the fuck is that giving her one last chance?

    Then the next morning he makes sure to end his chances at getting her back by being a pissy little bitch. Another commenter above already put it perfectly:

    “Serious Reader

    I disagree. The guy didn’t invite the girl into his room. End of story. He sounds like a complete tool who has been reading too many blogs. LOSER.”

    100%.

    Email #2:

    The advice about buying himself the chocolate and eating it in front of her, then giving her just a little, was spot-on.

    HOWEVER, how does a guy who can fuck an 8 for months not know this? If he has been fucking her for months, she is not an 8. If she is an 8, he has not been fucking her for months.

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  317. why don’t you go lock yourself in a hello kitty tower and shut the fuck up.

    Too funny. I can’t stop chuckling.

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  318. Reg

    I am freaking out man.

    Listen to me Reg, here is what you have to do. Just two texts to your gf, you can do it. First one, “Sorry babe, get tested for herpes”. Wait a while, then do the second one: “Bring da movies.” You can thank me later.

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  319. If she’s nice, she can sit on the floor while I handfeed her some of that chocolate. Hey, don’t be greedy now.

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  320. Re nicknames, I usually go with “Stupid” or “Sexy”. You would be surprised how many girls start referring to themselves as stupid once you start the ball rolling.

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  321. Nickname for women I usually use…. Bi-Polar Bear

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