“I didn’t need game to land my wife”

A fairly common hater/game denialist shibboleth is the extrapolating from anecdote fallacy. For example, a well-respected herb in his community will find this blog, feel his beta ego fill with regret for years of missed opportunity, and immediately assert he is manlier and/or a more attractive and psychologically balanced individual because he “didn’t need these mind game tricks” to find a wife or girlfriend who loves him.

I don’t doubt that a lot of these anti-game haters are telling the truth as they perceive it. They probably didn’t need game, or more likely unwittingly used a greatly diluted version of game, to find and fall in love with a faithful (best not think otherwise) GF or wife.

Reasoning from anecdote is a logical fallacy, but there are enough of these assertions by game haters that it’s possible a statistically nontrivial number of men really did not need or use game, intentionally or otherwise, to get hitched. Therefore, discounting them automatically is not a legitimate counter-argument. There is a better way to expose their sham claims for what they actually represent.

Here’s the rub: it’s a good bet the quality (aka the sexual market value, or SMV) of their girlfriends or wives is on the middling to low end of the female attractiveness scale.

If you are the average man — average height, employed, no major physical or emotional deformities, able to hold a conversation without shitting your pants, don’t know what LARP means, can refrain from obsessively counting toothpicks that fall on the floor — then you won’t need game, or very much game as the term is commonly understood, to fall ass-backwards into long term relationships with plain janes, facial mediocrities, or chubsters (who, note, constitute the majority of American womanhood, and thus fall right in the middle of the fat (heh) part of the bell curve).

If you are this man, all you need to do to win over a woman like this — the average woman — is approach, say “hi”, chat a bit about her likes and dislikes, and show some persistence and you’ll get her in bed by date five or twenty. Voila!, an “I didn’t need game to land my wife” anti-gamer is born from the wreckage of his surrendered dreams. Since most average men are ball-less castrati, the majority of you anti-gamers are likely staying within your comfort zones and meeting only women who are not attractive enough to fuel inject your lust or challenge your risk-avoidance habits.

This is my working assumption, and I’m certain the types of guys who go stir crazy with spite at the mention of game are dating or married to dreary commonplace women they had little trouble “winning over” the lackluster, “show up on time” way.

So, to visually summarize, if the women you date or are married to are about as attractive as her:

or her:

…then, yeah, congratulate your virtuous self, you won’t need much game to score a date every two months that resolves in uninspired, tepid sex.

But if the women you date, or want to date, are as attractive as these girls:

…then you will need game. And a lot of it. Because, you see, hot girls have options, and options means they will demand more of the men who want to sleep with them and love them. And game, aka learned charisma, effectively satisfies that demand.

Or you can continue taking the path of least resistance and settling down in easy monotony with potato faces so that you can enjoy stalking pickup blogs and railing about the futility of game.





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  1. Harsh!
    Just the way I like it.

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    • Actually, I think the big blonde is quite sexy, the one in the middle lives in my Room 101, and the three at the bottom are just silly little girls, and not worth the effort of even talking to. So: while you’re still trying to pry one of the three tootsies away from her buddies and game her into your bed, I’ll be about on my second O of the night with the big blonde and about to introduce the topic of anal.

      Just sayin’.

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      • and the three at the bottom are just silly little girls, and not worth the effort of even talking to.

        Sure, they look like college freshmen who are in fact stupid little ditzes, but by the time they’re seniors, they’re much more worth the effort. Women age faster than men do, so I’ve seen this type of thing happen repeatedly.

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      • A fair point… it would appear that one would have an easier time helping 1 lose weight (if that’s your taste) in a she’ll-do-it-all-for-you relationship than attempting to “connect” in any satisfying way beyond the boudoir with the überflüssige puppchen under door number 3.

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      • You don’t need game to land the big blonde. You need fishing tackle, maybe something in a surf caster, w/t 30 pound test if you’re into the light tackle thing. Otherwise, any solid deep sea rig would work okay.

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      • Yeah, but once you land her… THAR SHE BLOWS!

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      • Thar she blows?

        My English may seem good for a French speaking man, but when I see things like

        Thar she blows,

        it is like Chinese to me…

        (I suppose I could Goggle it…)

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      • It’s an old whaling term… quite common in literature and movies. I believe it might have been first used in Moby Dick.

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      • They’re all three German upper class, Catholic girls from Bavaria and the photo is from the Oktoberfest, so they’re really pretty average there. That said, you wouldn’t have to game them too hard for a date but you likely wouldn’t get sex right away. They’ll be far easier to deal with than comparably aged American girls, however.

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      • on October 9, 2012 at 9:55 pm Thasswhatimtalkinbout

        they’re 3 good-looking waitresses at an oktoberfest beer garden. more likely, they’re harder to date but will fuck if you get get to date you. german girls are like that. not sure why you think they’re upper class, however.

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      • They’re not waitresses. They’re wearing unique and rather expensive Dirndls and in Bavaria and the Oktoberfest, upper class people go dressed in traditional Bavarian clothes.

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      • The orange Dirndl is one that is available online to order for less than the equivalent of 50 dollars. It is neither unique nor expensive. The other two dresses are probably not expensive. If you have ever personally been to Oktoberfest in Munich, you would know that anyone with sense would not wear their best Dirndl there, because it’s a cesspit of piss and vomit, filled with drunken pigs, most of whom are not German. The vast majority of girls having sex with anyone at the Oktoberfest would be foreign ones, mostly American. On a recent TV program reporting from Oktoberfest, here in Germany, there was an abundance of slutty foreigners hooking up with other slutty foreigners… and lots of middle-aged German moms in their traditional dress (Trachten) with their husbands and children, also in traditional dress, enjoying the midway portion of this enormous fall fair. It is considered tasteless to wear so much mascara in Germany in any class other than retro punk music fans and leftist anarchists… but nice analysis, Tyrone!

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      • That must be lousy for you Germans to have your tradition ruined by a bunch of drunk foreigners.

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      • I’ve been there more times than I can count. You’re quite wrong. For many people it’s fashion show. Thanks for the tip on the Dirndl. Good ones cost quite a bit more. You must be jealous of me to shadow me and snipe so. You’ve at least outed yourself as a woman. No man would likely know the cost of a mail order Dirndl. It must be sad to go through life a fat, ugly, and bitter lesbian.

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      • ya learn something new everyday, like most Americans, I assume the Dirndls were waitress, beerwench uniforms.

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      • Brought back good memories from when Germany (then W. Germany) won the World Cup back in 1974… you could see the beer tents swaying from down the block… and the Dirndlkleider twirling like carousels.

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      • LOL You’d pick the beluga over the hardbodies? you may like anal sex, but not with girls…

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      • You can ride your manatee. I will take a swing at the beer sluts.

        If my bat doesn’t homer one of them, I’d take home Ms. Butterface, who I suspect may have a rockin’ body, and do her doggie style and give her a facial. I’ll make an awkward excuse to kick her out in the morning, which will lead to years of man-resentment and pigging out. Eventually, she’ll turn into a manatee just like girl number 1 and spew nonsense about how “real men” like you appreciate her.

        It is the circle of life.

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  2. on October 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

    lzozozlzozo I didn’t need game to land your wife eitherz zlozzlllzlzz -GBFM

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  3. If I posted the photo gallery of the bangs I got since reading this blog it would make those anti gamers cry.

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  4. How many fat girls does it take to put down a doughnut?

    None.

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  5. A lot of guys have “naturally” high status (like a great job or money), good looks, or are funny already and don’t need as much game to land a decently cute girl. Game helps you when you want to aim for girls who would otherwise be out of your league.

    I know for a fact that a lot of the ‘gurus’ in the community used to get hot girls before they got into game and game has simply allowed them to get more of those women or get those women on their own terms.

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    • A lot of guys get into game, even if they’re good with women, simply to have choice. Most Naturals don’t actually have any choice…they wait for ioi’s from the girl and act on the girls that they know will be responsive. They get laid a lot, but it’s not with girls that they really want unless that girl gives them the green light first.

      Game is primarily about giving guys choice. You see a girl you want, and you approach with a solid set of tools for getting her.

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      • You can rely on women’s preselection (lack of choice) or game (choice) or a bit of both.

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      • YaR;s point is one I was going to make to the married, tall, attractive, but beta post from earlier. Being those things lead me to a lot of relationships that were started by attractive girls who’s IOIs I caught and managed not to fuck up with betatude. If you’re lucky, then you do everything right and get your house with picket fence, eh? But chances are you’re just not achieving your true mate potential (an even hotter SNL or wifey).

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      • this + game made my results more consistant and helped me to figure out what i was doing right and where i was failing.

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      • So fucking true!

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  6. One may not have needed game to land one’s wife, but the times being what they are, one may need game to keep one’s wife, the way a wife was meant to be.

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    • on October 9, 2012 at 4:42 pm Loved and Loving

      Yes and no; depends on how many options she has (place to stay? money? another male to provide for her? job?), her religious background, what her family taught her, etc.

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    • Yes. Unless you want her to ruin your life, you will need game and have to use it all the time.

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    • Yes E06. I was a gameless beta provider when I landed my very pretty and talented wife. After a rocky sixteen years she divorced me. Even knowing some basic relationship game would have made a huge difference in that marriage. For those who wish to marry, master relationship game (this blog, Dave in Hawaii, Married Man Sex Life, et cetera) and the both of you will be very happy indeed.

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  7. It’s all game. It’s always game.

    Even with the less attractive women, or when a guy lucks into a hot one. When guys say that they don’t use game to get girls, they either don’t realize that they actually are using that watered down variety that Heartiste talks about (most dudes have a little game, even if they don’t know it) or they just don’t have any anti-game (weird awkward stuff, total lack of social skills). Snuffing out anti-game is more than half the battle.

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    • True, the most deluded men are the ones who get a steady stream of (average looking) girls without ever having to work for it. Men that never see the light have either status/family money/above average looks/fame. Success clouds judgement, failure with women reveals the pretty lies.

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  8. “For example, a well-respected herb in his community will find this blog, feel his beta ego fill with regret for years of missed opportunity.”

    I’d like to think his ego would fire into rage, but it’s a more productive emotion than regret. Rage may be a call to action; regret is a call for self-pity.

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  9. on October 9, 2012 at 3:40 pm Loved and Loving

    NACALT. Not all cases are like that.
    There is one small, but very important exception. Actually, three.
    1. A no game man can get a good woman if he’s established by society as her senior/superior/authority figure. Think teachers – naughty, naughty students dynamics. 😉
    I know two women in my small circle who fell for this. One student (a very hot, but decisively slutty girl – 8 in looks, 10 in breasts, LOL) was landed by an omega person (ugly, no game, feminine face). Relationship. Second one, not as hot as the first (7,5), but monogamous, landed a beta male, who was her teacher and who possessed one alpha trait (sense of humour, with no negging her). Married.

    2. If a beautiful woman has been berated by other women and shunned because of character (I’ve known quite a few like these) – for example, being introvert, shy, weird, too conservative, too smart, too stupid, etc. She may have self-perceived SM status lower than her actual one – thus land with a man she considers equal, but who’s actually below her. This depends on how her parents treated her, too.
    3. Competition with other women. Now you may say “Only alpha men get competed for” but this is not exactly the case. Real life example – hot girl cares not for a beta man who swoons over her – until his vicious harp of an ex-GF enters the picture. You see, she had decided to leave him, but in the wrong time – she’d just hit 35 years old . She lived a little time alone, realised her options with other men were zero, and decided to turn back to the provider she had left. Oops! He’s chasing another girl, 23, a hot one. Ex-GF makes the fatal mistake of declaring war with her for the beta man, berating her, showering her with venom, etc. Hot girl defends herself with counter-offence – fight for the man! – if another woman wants him so much, there must be something to him, after all. Kaboom. Romance blossoms, hot girl gets beta male, they marry. Happily ever after. :)**
    *It wouldn’t be happily ever after in your society. Here, it’s possible. Provider traits are still “in fashion” here, because of our poor economics. We EE women are known for our gold-diggery. 😉
    *Oh, and it helped that he has a 9 inch sword. Just saying. 😉

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    • There’s still game in there, dude. Maybe he didn’t have game that you saw or recognized, but its still there. The teacher with a sense of humor landing a hot former student? Teacher/authority figure game. Not PUA tactic stuff, but its still a form of game

      Your example in number 3? Ex girlfriend, pre-selection game. He had to have at least some game, or a lack of anti-game.

      It’s all game.

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      • on October 9, 2012 at 4:53 pm Loved and Loving

        “The teacher with a sense of humor landing a hot former student?”
        Uh-uh. Not former. This is actually very important. If she became a former student before she invested in him, she wouldn’t be with him, because he wouldn’t have the power position in her life.

        Third example. Pre-selection yes. Game? No. It was a matter of chance.
        You see, I’m not saying that my exceptions’ core isn’t based on principles of game. Of course it is. But these “game” principles were enforced externally, by the surrounding… (insert word here, I forgot it), by chance, by opportunity. It wasn’t done with conscious/unconscious effort, or skills that the beta man possessed. And this is the main difference. Game is ruled by the men who play it, with or without realising; in these examples men have no game, they rely on external factors.

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      • Game becomes a pretty meaningless term if you simply define it as absolutely anyone has ever done, that results in him getting laid. For the term to have meaning, it has to be narrowed beyond that. Mick Jagger could probably receive multisome BJs by simply passing out drunk in front of a clique of girls, but while doing so may well signal aloofness, calling it game really waters down the term.

        Doesn’t it make more sense to define game as something along the lines of conscious behaviors directed specifically at getting laid, where said behaviors are informed by either evo-psych, or heuristics derived from informed trial and error by other game aware men?

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      • Mick Jagger being passed out drunk while dressed like a homeless man in a country where they don’t know him or how famous he is with no friends around him is not going to get the same result as Mick Jagger passed out in a strip club in Vegas after buying tables of $5000 vodka for his band who’s all causing a scene.

        You’re looking at it from too far back, you need to drill deeper to explain why the same act (passing out drunk) gets two different results. In that deeper drilling is where you’ll find game concepts being applied consciously or unconsciously.

        Think of it like this: at first people thought peacocking was wearing a crazy outfit. It got attention in a regular bar. So the logic was “peacocking = crazy outfit = getting attraction”. But through drilling deeper we found that if EVERYONE is dressed crazy, then the person peacocking is the person dressed in plain jeans and a t-shirt at a party full of people in fuzzy hats or suits or whatever. So if in the fuzzy hat party, the fuzzy hat is no longer getting attraction and the casual shirt and jeans gets attraction there when it wouldn’t at a plain-clothed event, we can’t say the fuzzy hat is attractive. We have to drill peacocking down to the concept of “appearing different from the rest of the people around you”. NOW we have a concept we can apply across the board with consistent results…the 4’5″ guy is peacocking by default when he walks into a room just because of his height. So is a white guy in a black people’s bar. So is the guy wearing a suit to a dive bar or rocker clothes to a formal event. All of these will get attention which will lead to shit-tests which will spark attraction.

        LandL is doing the same thing with his shitty examples. “They met. Here’s one vague event I’m focusing on that supports my theory. Married.” Like, really? Nothing happened between them meeting and getting married? You don’t think if we drilled down into their day to day lives we’d find any significant events between meeting and getting married? The guy who “never negs” hasn’t once in X number of years teased his girl in any way? You’ve been in their life and in their bedroom watching all this time?

        Of course that’s ridiculous. You’re just giving a complex thing (human interaction) too wide a scope because either you don’t really understand game or dissecting an interaction to such a deep level is too much mental work for you.

        Show me any pickup, conscious or unconscious, and I’ll break down a dozen little bits of game going on under the surface that most people won’t see. A lot of naturals game completely unconsciously too, they don’t realize that a lot of what they’re doing is triggering attraction. So you’d be saying a natural who gets laid by hundreds of girls but is just being himself (outgoing, loud, leading his group, naturally dominating the people around him etc) doesn’t have game or isn’t using any game. That’s silly.

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      • I would certainly say someone who completely unconsciously happen to look like Brad Pitt, does not “use” game. “Got game” may be a bit wider and less precise. But to back propagate from “got laid” to “got game” doesn’t really help much in determining the actions that consistently leads to above average quality and quantity of lays.

        The problem I have with widening the definition to include anyone who ever got laid, is that it creates a situation similar to the one where people look for lifting advice from someone who just happens to have the genetics to get gigantic from curling beer pints and pizza slices.

        For game to be worth bothering with, it’s advice should at a minimum be universal enough to be teachable, and “using game” should be employing this advice, for the specific end of getting laid. “Be a filthy rich Italian Billionaire, a Rock Star, or some Mongol dude who rules the known world” will get you laid, but it is not my idea of “using game.”

        And neither is being a girl scout team leader, accidentally walking into a social venue surrounded by a platoon of nubiles, even though the end effect is the same as consciously applying game to make sure one enters the venue with girls, in a conscious effort to display preselection.

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      • “but it is not my idea of “using game.””

        You can define shit however you want. I’m going to call the moon a banana from now on. In the meantime the rest of us will continue using the widely accepted definitions we’ve been using, instead of nerding out on nuances that don’t really matter.

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    • 4. The man and hot woman are religious and go to the same church, or are at least in the same denomination. Hot girls who are reformed Calvinist, or Mormon, will marry a reformed Calvinist or Mormon, oftentimes semi-arranged by their parents, even if the guy is an uber-beta. But, if you are not religious, or are religious but not in a common denomination with lots of your co-religionists around, you will need game.

      5. Similar to 4, but in other contexts: they have the same network of friends, they are both in a frat or sorority. Again, if you are not in such a network, or are only loosely, you will need game.

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      • on October 9, 2012 at 5:16 pm Loved and Loving

        Oh, yes, arranged marriage. Very rare. Only in Gypsy communities here. Thought many women still rely on their parents’ approval when they choose a mater. I did the same. They’re more experienced, they recognise cads, pseudoalphas and other no marriage material. Of course I will trust them. Common sense.
        Parents tend to choose beta providers for their daughters.

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    • My wife playfully calls me a bad guy in Russian all the time, pretty much when she breathes my name. She makes up songs when she’s cooking about how cool I am or what a bad guy I am. I’m 17 years older too. I get sex on request, several times a day. My wife is easily a 9 and a nice Christian girl to boot. I never see women around here who are prettier. Most movie stars or super models aren’t as pretty as my wife. Those friends of yours are living on borrowed time if they don’t use game.

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      • Your wife is a Russian. Pretty or not, to all women who are not Russian, she is an Omega female, simply because she is Russian. Stalin killed all the intelligent Russians – 33 million of them. What was left over was the lowest of the low. Russian women have a very short window of attractiveness. Then they turn very quickly into Babuschkas. Your wife is a ticking time bomb, dear Tyrone. In no time at all, she is going to look like one of those dumpy wooden nesting dolls… 🙂

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      • “In no time at all, she is going to look like one of those dumpy wooden nesting dolls”

        meh. *throwing another ex-wife on the bonfire*

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      • You’re a jealous fat lesbian troll.

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      • You’re right. I should have married an American girl and had her turn into a Matryoshka at 23 instead of 60.

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    • This is a good post and describes a lot of successful if less than storybook marriages that seem to last. I get a lot of feedback from the Russian Fiancee Forum and that is actually a good place for women to meet and communicate. Most of the women there are happily married and they are tough on women who divorce casually or have unrealistic expectations. Also, EE women still respect intellect. American women generally have no interest in culture or understand it beyond a superficial level..

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      • Amen on American women and respect for intellect. I just can’t understand why, but, they are too busy with trivia. When I find a thoughful woman with respect for real intellect (Not the B.S. new age stuff), I am deeply and favorably impressed.

        I think most men are.

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  10. There are plenty of men out there who are not assholes or dominant figures in their relationships who are able to get attractive women. Some of them are very good-looking, others are not. I would think that the necessity of nice guys suppressing this chivalrous tendencies in an effort to become more cocky, arrogant and self-centered is the heart of ‘game’, so in that sense, game is not necessary to get attractive women. I agree, however, that things such as confidence, charm, humor and wit are necessary if one does not possess very good looks or a lot of money. It can be argued that these aspects of ‘game’, but this isn’t what people usually mean when they refer to game.

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    • Surpressing “nice guy” tendancies in order to come of more brash, cocky, arrogant, etc., is helpful for initial attraction. That is not to say it can’t be helpful later on (chicks dig jerks), but it’s not always necessary.

      For example, if you developed solid attraction with a girl–in part through displaying these asshole traits early on–and, IMPORTANTLY, fucked the living hell out of her until she’s a quivering mess, you can let nice-guy traits slip through and still maintain frame.

      Example: I picked up on a girl using my normal “gives zero fucks” cocky/funny approach. I kept this up through the first few weeks of us seeing each other and banging. I also completely destroyed the girl in bed. Fast forward a few weeks, we go out one night and the alcohol from pre-gaming hits her hard and fast. She can barely walk. So, I walk/carry her back to my place, get some food in her, and spend the rest of the night with her. This was a much more “nice guy” approach then, say, hailing a cab, shoving her in, and heading to the club to meet my friends.

      However, the girl worshipped me for it. She was embarrassed, apologetic, and hugely thankful to me. The “asshole-with-a-heart-of-gold-(but just for ME!)” script in a girl’s mind is very, very powerful. Use sparingly, and with care.

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      • This is also very good. It works wonders but you’re then marriage material and they can be hard to get rid of.

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  11. All I needed to get my 9 supermodel wives (concurrent) was to shoot my semen in their eye.

    That is all.

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  12. Hey, I think the girls in the second photo is cute. I’d take her over those beer skanks any day.

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    • She didn’t seem that bad to me either. But the land walrus in the first photo would be completely out of the question.

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    • the hell?

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    • Beta hamster in overdrive.

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      • Yup.

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      • Tell me about it.

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      • “silly little girls” ?
        “bar skanks” ?

        Hamsters are going strong

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      • on October 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm eat it up beat it up

        a classic beta move by poster ‘fakeemail’. referring to objectively hot women as “silly little girls” or “bar skanks” because you know deep down you’ll never land women that attractive. aim low and you’ll never miss

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      • Maybe, but the fake smiles they’re wearing are indeed indicative of skankitude. Maybe it was just a bad moment, but some guys are sensitive to that sort of thing. Otherwise, they are hot, but if a guy needs hot + not going to poison him slowly with antifreeze while playing the martyr wife of a terribly sick man, he’s going to stay away from a girl who bares her teeth rather than smiling.

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      • I bet they’re teases most of all. They come from Bavaria and that place is pretty conservative and much of it is small towns. They’re also upper class, so they have to keep their reputations.

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      • We’d like to think they have good intentions. That’s part of the fun of being pretty, that people want to believe the best about you.

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      • I like when people who are unsuccessful at something have to tear down people who are successful at it to avoid the ego crash of admitting they don’t have the skill, willpower, ability, or potential to be as successful at that something.

        The same thing happens to entrepreneurs who work their ass off and become rich. All the shitty lazy people around them start talking shit about how evil and money-hungry they must be or how lonely and sad they really must be inside.

        Same thing happens when someone gets in shape or buys a new car or pretty much anything.

        Guess what: it’s possible to be hot, rich, successful, intelligent, and happy as fuck. It’s just not possible for you, because you’d rather waste your time tearing down people who succeed instead of learning from them and applying yourself.

        It’s also possible to find a girl who’s hot, intelligent, down-to-earth, etc. It’s just that we have to sift through the hordes of shitty girls with negative attitudes (encouraged by society), to find them.

        Why are there so many chicks wasting space in the comment section these days? Jesus.

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      • Oh, you were talking about me, Tyrone? I wasn’t guessing or speculating anything, merely observing that the girls at that moment were wearing fake smiles, and this may be what put the guy off.

        All that other stuff you pulled out of your ass, I can’t answer to. You might want to try talking to me, and not this imaginary bitter, fat 20 year old some of you apparently insist that I am.

        I admit, I look pretty good for my age, but still…

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      • Crap, I meant Yareally. See, this is what happens when I cave in to peer pressure and have sushi instead of steak for lunch. 😦

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      • Its cool Nicole. I was merely commenting on a subject I have some experience with. I may have been mistaken above, about the girls being waitresses, but as a rule, the kids who go to these fests dressed in Bavarian clothes generally from wealthy families. The traditional clothes are pricey and unless its a means of fitting in with the local elite, generally aren’t worn. Bavaria has a lot of wealthy farmers and businessmen and in Munich, its the bourgeois businessmen and professionals who dress that way. A full set for a man from a good name brand with Lederhosen, shoes, belt, shirt and leather jacket will set you back $4500. A nice Dirndl will cost $500 to $2000 and up. If they’re waitresses they’re there to make a lot of money in three weeks and they work really hard. They will carry 12-16 of those heavy beer mugs filled with beer at a time. The place is full of young men from all over the world and they get hit on 1000 times a day. On the other hand, there are a lot of attractive women of all ages and nationalities and approachable women at the Oktoberfest and its a good time.

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      • Tyrone, so the fake smile could be because of fatigue or not being that into the traditions. Photographer’s fault. He should have made them laugh. It’s jigglier anyway. 🙂

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      • My lower hamster prefers the silly little girl bar skanks.

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      • The tiger in my pants does too.

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    • Off your rocker.

      She is thin and young, which puts her above many. However, christ, is that one plain face. It is a face that one could never stare into with longing and lust. One also predicts that it is the sort that will wither into a raisin come her mid-thirties.

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      • I agree her face is plain, but some good makeup can probably up her attractiveness by a point or two. I wouldn’t discount girl #2 without seeing more of her body.

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    • #2 looks slender. In my part of the country, she’d rank in the top attractiveness quartile or even quintile of women in her age class. If she had a sweet, feminine personality she could even snag a lesser alpha for marriage.

      Sixty years ago, ie., pre-obesity epidemic, she’d have been just another plain woman.

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  13. Women should be the pleasant side effect to game. Game in its purest state is making you the best man you can be.

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    • An asshole? jerk? Dark Triangle Psychopath? C’mon, man…….

      Game, aka being all the asshole you can be, is frightfully useful in many areas when one is stuck in Dystopia, but if the above three are “the best you can be”, thank goodness more civilized, still God fearing, people are vastly outbreeding, and hopefully soon militarily overpowering, this Godforsaken dump of ours.

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  14. I see it’s definitely a problem here the variety of definitions of ‘game’. Some people simply see game as social skills. Well, no shit, you need a degree social skills to get women. It is the techniques described in the PUA literature that most people refer to as ‘game’, and the central thesis of PUA is the necessity of becoming a so-called ‘bad boy’ to get women.

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    • You can be anti-social and still have game and be alpha and attractive. Climbing a mountain or traveling alone to foreign countries or building a business from scratch are all things that will help most guys gain a handful of alpha male qualities and give them some game skills (leadership, confidence, social proof, discipline, not taking shit, feeling high-value, etc).

      It’s just that those methods beat around the bush of game (witness the mountain man or CEO or bodybuilder who’s a badass and girls are into him but he lacks social skills or seduction skills or is a Nice Guy and doesn’t get laid) whereas going out to “sarge” jumps right into the middle of the bush and trains you in a way that gets you the fastest, most targeted, easiest results. Plus it’s fun (unlike running a business) and you’re not likely to die doing it (like falling off a mountain).

      All PUAs have done is realized that working on your social skills is the most efficient route to being attractive to women. This is why we stress going out so much and why guys who aren’t climbing mountains or running businesses but who also only go out once every week or two for a few hours won’t get good and will give up on game. They’re doing nothing to obtain attractive traits.

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      • I don’t know, Yareally. The being bad ass in some way works very well without a dude saying a word on women who really like men, like to shag, and are up for it.

        Purim this year, I managed to pick the rock climber out of a group of guys standing around who don’t have any trouble talking to women. This is the Burning Man almost hippie except for the reserve duty etc. clique. Hot young booty everywhere, so I was pretty flattered that I had a shot, and probably wouldn’t have tried had I not been post breakup and figured I had nothing to lose.

        Having accomplished something important and/or facing one’s mortality regularly gives a man the right body language, which is, in my opinion anyway, much more important than the words.

        So even though I agree that the social skills are important, I’d recommend backing that up with activities scarier and riskier than getting rejected by a girl. Besides, no gym can do for your body what hanging off the side of a cliff face will. I don’t know if women really notice above our necks, but I and I think others notice below the navel.

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      • “So even though I agree that the social skills are important, I’d recommend backing that up with activities scarier and riskier than getting rejected by a girl.”

        Why do more than you need to? If you like climbing mountains, cool, go have a blast, but if you can land the turbo 10s with just social skills why bother risking your life?

        What have you done, as a woman encouraging men to endanger themselves to impress you, that’s in any way equivalent or makes you enough of a catch that a guy should bother putting in that much work to get you? It’s not enough that we have to learn social skills, now you want us hanging off the side of mountains? And what are you doing while we do this, making the world a better place? Curing cancer? Or are you watching Honey Booboo and eating McDonalds? lol

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      • Hey…hey hey, I’m just the fat old mare who went to the petting zoo instead of the glue factory because of my cute, sad eyes. Besides, I was doing the Lord’s work (that was a joke, but it’s true that knocking boots on Purim is a blessed thing for Jews).

        I like them rough, and make no apologies for this. I’ve had my fair share of life endangering adventures, and still get out to where I can catch a scrape or snakebite every once in awhile. I like to think I do something good for this world, but whatever I mention will probably be minimized.

        Anyway, we just like what we like, same as men like what they like. Not every woman needs a super-masculine man. It’s just that having the power to match the attitude is helpful to one’s credibility.

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      • I don’t have a response because I’m honestly not sure who you’re having a conversation with or why. I swear this conversation went basically:

        “This is how it works.”

        “Well actually, I recommend this instead…”

        “Why?”

        “Hey, woah, we all know I’m crazy okay? I’m not saying everyone likes these things, just me.”

        like…okay? We don’t really care that lumberjacks happen to make you, personally, wet. Maybe you need a LiveJournal to write about yourself in?

        [heartiste: welcome to nicole. it’s her world. we’re just living in it.]

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      • It wasn’t really an “instead” so much as an “in addition to”. All the social skill in the world won’t make up for a substandard lay.

        If a woman has to hold back because the guy is too fragile, be that physically or emotionally, it is a problem that can’t be covered with charm. Guys who have survived something intense aren’t going to be thrown off by a woman being active or put off by things getting rough or a bit weird.

        My bar may be a little high, but all women have a gauge. Guys should be aware that talking only exercises the face, not the legs.

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      • Why don’t you just tell us the freaky shit you’re into instead of beating around the bush? You’re clearly dying to share and force it into conversations that have nothing to do with you anyway.

        Whenever girls tell me they’re too wild in bed for most men to handle, I’m always disappointed when I get them in bed and find out they thought being choked and slapped was hardcore lol

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      • Yareally, this is not about freaky at all. In fact, I think many men use kink as a cover for lacking in the essentials. It’s about being able to walk the walk, that’s all.

        Nobody sane is doing freaky stuff with someone they haven’t known awhile anyway.

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  15. Roll into this post the older post about that reportette who married her herbly pursuer after years and years of trying, and AFTER she filed bankruptcy twice. Yeah, he didn’t need game to land the girl, just had to wait until she had no where else to go.

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    • “Wait for the crash and pick up the pieces” game. That’s a classic, but probably not a good idea today when the crash can extend for 20 years thanks to all her enablers.

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  16. The bitch in the second picture doesn’t deserve the rude treatment, except if she’s another femcunt.

    I would’ve married that bitch… if I was still a chump.

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    • on October 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm Loved and Loving

      With these eyebrows? Please.
      Good make-up and a little sense of taste can boost her image considerately. She isn’t flat out ugly (nice skin, big eyes, good stature), she just has no desire to get prettier. I can give you at least 6 tricks to make her from the 5 she is to a 7.
      And, oh, Gosh, those fat brows…

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      • Are you on crack? No way that girl could ever reach a 7.

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      • on October 10, 2012 at 5:25 am Loved and Loving

        That crack cocaine or you’re referencing trepanology? 😉
        And you’re wrong. She can. All she needs is make up (and I’m talking professional), good light (this light is awful, it makes her look green), someone to teach her not to tilt her head that high (her face looks plump this way), and a better hairstyle. Nice hair she’s got there.
        Ok, so we have a 6 here now.
        Then comes the oldest version of Photoshop available. It’s called ethanol.
        Voila.

        [heartiste: stop trolling cunt]

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      • a 6? what shithole are you living in? that’s a 4 at best.

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      • Yeah, when the pillow looks like you assaulted a clown. (Old joke, I’m sorry.)

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      • I agree with you. Men don’t realize how much you can improve your looks with some effort.

        [heartiste: women don’t realize how little makeup improves their looks. facial bone structure is bone deep.
        ps you can’t escape the morning.]

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      • Makeup is just a uniform that only women pay much attention to. For men, it’s at best just a sign that you care something for yourself, like wearing appropriate clothing to an event or something. At worst, it is an annoyance. Men see right through that stuff.

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      • we almost always realize it the next morning.

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      • Game for women is so much simpler. Look prettier.

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      • She’s a 4.

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      • I agree. She’s a 5. You can’t really compare her to those German girls because you can’t see their unobstructed faces and they have make up on.

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    • on October 9, 2012 at 4:19 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      Yeah, girl 2 isn’t that bad. She just needs a makeover. Eyebrow threading, an updated haircut, maybe lose 10 lbs, some tasteful makeup.

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  17. Dear CH,

    I have a hard (heh) time, figuring out what vocal/facial clues mean when it comes to talking to women, as well as not being able to create a decent conversation from a cold approach that goes on for more than 5 minutes and get her asking questions and stuff, since I am a laconic kind of guy I would go caveman and just ask her for her number right away and I kinda talk fast, what do? is there anything I can do to help this?

    Ooga booga,

    -Caveman

    p.s. opening and getting the number is easy, getting them to text back or make them meet me again is the problem 😦

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    • “figuring out what vocal/facial clues mean when it comes to talking to women”

      Go out more, check out some body-language books/articles/videos, etc. Make an effort to learn “girl code” VS just stumbling in and groping random chicks and crossing your fingers.

      “not being able to create a decent conversation from a cold approach that goes on for more than 5 minutes”

      Go out more, and write down some routines in advance to use or stories to tell from your life. Write down some questions to ask every girl you meet, even if they’re shitty questions as long as you can learn to play off the answers in a flirty way they’ll be fine. Take an improv class so you learn to think on your feet, lots of PUAs take them.

      “and get her asking questions and stuff”

      Go out more, and read up on push/pull theory by Swingcat and Mystery’s cat-string theory. Also read up on making her qualify herself. Then consciously apply this stuff.

      “I would go caveman and just ask her for her number right away”

      You’ll get a bunch of numbers…that will all flake on you. lol You’re avoiding doing any actual work or learning any actual game or taking any risks by just barelling in and going for a number ASAP so you can scurry off into the shadows and avoid risking a rejection…the problem is you don’t build any comfort/rapport and she ends up not giving a shit about meeting up with you again or being interested in you.

      “and I kinda talk fast, what do?”

      Go out more, and consciously focus on talking slower in your conversations.

      “p.s. opening and getting the number is easy, getting them to text back or make them meet me again is the problem :(”

      Go out more, and read up on building comfort/rapport, I recommend looking up Juggler’s stuff on this. Consciously practice using it in the field.

      Also check out stuff by Brad Branson, you probably have a similar personality to him with being a man of few words so his stuff might resonate with you.

      Good luck!

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      • So i guess the answer is, go out more? …..this will take a lot more work than i thought

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      • It always does. They just don’t tell you that in the marketing for the same reason everyone buys the “lose 30lbs in 1 week without doing a single sit-up and eating chocolate cake!!” diet book instead of the “lose 1lb a week over a long period of time in a healthy lifestyle changing way that takes work and effort.”

        But if you want it bad enough, you’ll get there. 😉

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      • ALSO:

        Dafuq is up with dem bitches that when I open them, they almost ALWAYS have closed body language, like crossed arms and shit. What if I was legit lost and I really needed directions…

        maybe i should shave….

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      • You’re scaring/intimidating them with your approach style and lack of calibration (aka sensitivity to how they’re feeling in the moment and adapting your vibe to make them comfortable).

        You’re like a bull in a china shop playing a numbers game lol it’s the ART of seduction. Go out more and pay attention to how she’s feeling. If she’s stand-off-ish, tone it down a bit and acknowledge that you came in too hard. Don’t approach from the front, soften your voice, guage the energy level of her and her group and come in just slightly higher energy than them instead of way over the top or way under.

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      • If you guys put the same amount of effort into designing sexbots you wouldnt need to fucking calibrate and butttouch your way into a conversation in the first place. The market would properly reprice itself.

        You dont realize how absolutely zero fucking effort girls put in to be who they are. Its a fucking joke.

        Fuckity fuck fuck lololololol

        REALLY though.

        [heartiste: no one said reality was fair.]

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      • Learning the calibration and butt-touching is fun. There are worse ways to spend your time than chatting up hot girls.

        If it was all just about getting an easy lay we could simply line up at your mom’s house. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. lol

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      • Where is that, again?

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  18. I’m a tall and attractive male with natural “beta” behavior — somewhat shy, friendly, agreeable — but I notice that I do this more so around less attractive females. Is this a subconscious form of “disqualifying” — for fear of coming across too confident and aggressive? How can you distinguish between genuine beta behavior and an alpha who just knows when to beta-ize himself?

    PS I’m happily married to an attractive wife who I am certain would never cheat, and I got her by just being myself. Anecdotal, of course, but gotta count it.

    PSS The girl in the second pic is bangable with booze, but she seems like a Debby Downer with annoying leftist stickers all over her laptop cover.

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  19. on October 9, 2012 at 4:06 pm Animal Mother

    Girl 1 should exercise more and avoid those late night snacks

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  20. Two appropriate PUA metaphorical terms: “Gamecocks” and “Capons”.

    -Cloudswrest

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    • “Since most average men are ball-less castrati”

      Two appropriate PUA metaphorical terms: “Gamecocks” and “Capons”.

      -Cloudswrest

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    • Livestock terms are always appropriate to describe the business of mating.

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  21. Just as most (non-fat) women in their early twenties are at least 6s, most men are not without some degree of natural “game.” It is unlikely that millions of years of evolution would have left them without means to attract some kind of mate. A few upper beta men are even naturally attractive enough to attract quite pretty women.

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  22. I feel so sorry for the girl in the 2nd pic.

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    • She’s aight. Average girls are serviceable in themselves, they’re whom most of us are descended from.

      Problem is they now act like the big-tittied tarts in the 3rd pic. Making them worthless.

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  23. KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  24. Girl in 2nd pic is fine specimen for producing many strong sons and growing wheat in the Ukraine… if eldest son wishes to marry, I say “Da!”

    Give me 5000 such women, I build nation.

    The rest of you gigolos can keep banging Paris Hilton.

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    • No young woman in Ukraine is that unattractive. I’ve never seen one. I’ve been to villages there as well. Statistically, they might exist, but I’ve never seen one. In general, Ukrainian women are delicately boned and petite, with long, shapely legs, gorgeous round, elegantly curved asses and smallish breasts.

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      • Well, okay, then… Belarus.

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      • That’s wrong too. Belarus and Ukraine both have prettier women than Russia and have a reputation among Russians as being beautiful. EE women in general are prettier than German women by about a 1.5 point average.

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      • Azerbaijan?

        Throw me a bone, here, I’m running out of farmland.

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      • Tajikistan is the way to go for a wife. I dare say it contains the last viable white women — who won’t utterly gouge you — on the planet.

        Indo-European, obedient, dirt poor, nominally Muslim, very r-selected. The majority of the women are no swarthier than Azeris or Iranians, but real Aryan types live up in the Pamirs and into Xinjiang.

        It’s a shame I don’t have money, I wouldn’t hesitate to hop over there for a wife-finding mission.

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    • Agree.
      Even though 7s+ can act as you described, surely with much older.

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    • We have very similar tastes.

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      • Here’s my choice for populating the farmlands.

        Chubby, smiley, a touch of the mongoloid perhaps, but those drowsy eyes remind me of my rohypnol days. When the camera pulls back we get a look at her udders which positively shout MILK MAIDEN.

        Now add all that to her pleasantly aloof politics (heehee, like, First Amendment, heehee, like, WTF?), and I will personally see to it that the Rus shall rise again.

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      • I can’t get past that Forest Whitaker lazy eye… and the ratchet jaw.

        Also, a girl that size should have at least two more inches on the top.

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  25. As you say, most women are middling but then so of course are most men. If it were the case that good looking women were difficult and ugly ones easy then you might have a point, but in my experience good looking ones are nicer and easier and ugly ones difficult and harder – but one can only date what is available and in the main the law of averages says that good looking girls are rare. Girls like the one in picture no 3 who have the advantage of being better made up and lit than the plain jane in picture no 2, so of course she looks better.

    I remain to be convinced that the tactics of Game have any but the slightest effect on women’s desire. What you need is to be sufficiently young, good-looking and muscular – and then the right attitude helps. Girls swoon over Brad Pitt because he is or was all those things and not because of his tight game. If you are like Pitt women will fall into you lap; if you aren’t they won’t.

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    • on October 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm Days of Broken Arrows

      Being famous helps too. Pitt’s massive fame is a major aphrodisiac.

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    • Imagine you’re poor or average income and live an average normal life working at a corporate career. Then you get invited to a party with celebrities and millionaires. You’re fucking mind-blown and the fact that these people are famous or have a bunch of money is enough to make them high-value to you.

      Now imagine you were born a billionaire and you’ve starred in a bunch of movies, and you’re invited to that same party. Ya, it’s cool that everyone is rich and famous too, but that external stuff is so commonplace in your world that it’s nothing mind-blowing. What’s mind-blowing is the internals of the other people…which people are confident and not afraid to express themselves around you, and which people have the same amount of money/fame but are hiding behind a facade that you see all around you every day associating with people who think their money/fame is enough to make them high-value.

      This is a big part of why super hot turbo girls don’t care much about looks/money/etc.. They’re SURROUNDED by guys with 6-pack abs and blowing thousands of dollars a night on bottle service and flying them places and shit. You coming along with that just means you’re in the same rat race for her attention as all those other guys, and all those other guys are probably better at that race than you.

      The catch is that the areas you can excel against those guys is in alpha qualities. Brad Pitt is attractive. But the guy Brad Pitt thinks is cool and looks up to, is even more attractive.

      I don’t think there’s a word for this concept in the PUA community, but it’s kind of like a breaking point where you hit an equilibrium…everything external suddenly becomes meaningless because everyone in the girl’s world has an excess of those external things, so she looks for different criteria to decide what’s attractive.

      The guy who’s underdressed at a tuxedo event is just as peacocked as the guy who’s wearing a tuxedo on a casual night. It’s all relative to your surroundings/environment and the other people in it.

      This is why you’ll see a lot of smokin’ hot girls willingly with “weird” guys, like artists and shit but the CEO guy has to pay/bribe the girls for their attention. Usually the artist guy is just a guy who’s got a really strong frame about the world around him, and is super passionate about his beliefs and expresses himself completely and doesn’t care what people around him think because he lives in his own reality. So that guy stands out in the girl’s world full of status-obsessed betas wearing alpha clothing.

      bla bla bla, the best way to see all this is to just go out a bunch. It’s all right there in front of you.

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      • Great post. This is pretty much the attitude I’ve been taking, and it may help explain why I seem to have become somewhat of a favorite among hhott sorority chicks in the past few months.

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      • on October 9, 2012 at 6:49 pm ImmoralGables

        Damn didn’t see you posted as I scrolled down on my phone but not surprised haha.

        To expand on what you said and to rebut the OP:

        Go to those high end social events and act unimpressed and get people to try to qualify themselves with their accomplishments.

        Make fun of the hot girl with the beta orbiters or treat her like you would a fat chick when she does something fucked up.

        Tell the high status artist or club owner something about his song or club that he could improve upon but do it from a point of view that you’re a critic and know what you’re talking about.

        Try doing these kinds of things and you’ll get the basic idea.

        In my public speaking class there is this sexy Asian whom always gets adorations and rarely gets critiqued when she receives feedback from her admirers. I’m one of the few that legit tells her where she fucks up and I don’t go out of my way to say hey to her every time unlike everyone else.

        If it came down to it. Who would she remember? Me or the fashionable, good-looking tool that kisses her ass like everyone else?

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      • Yep, dead on. I do stuff like that all the time in high-value environments. Doing it will trip you out when you see people you thought of as super high-value basically begging for your validation when logically you’re a nobody compared to them.

        You also develop a sense for how comfortable with themselves people are under the public facade when you see how fast a lot of them seek external validation. There are smokin hot girls and rich buff dudes who are insecure as shit underneath it and panic when someone isn’t impressed by their external status. Same time there are smokin hot girls and rich buff dudes who are so comfortable with themselves that they don’t mind if you don’t like them because they know their worth. Guess which group are the high-value ones that make good girlfriends and buddies for your close social circles?

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      • This is the common statement that was repeated a lot when you were arguing with Xsplat who lived in a non-feminist culture. You at least inadvertently come across like every rich guy is insecure or buying bottle service instead of comparing oranges to oranges which would be a CEO with game vs a surfer dude with game.

        You’re living in a feminist environment where the CEO with equal game to a poorer dude is at a disadvantage.

        Young feminists cannot be bought. It’s their main identifying feature like hatred of men dating younger women is the main feature of older feminists.

        This “I can’t be bought” aspect of American feminism resonates, unfortunately, with the right wing as much as the left. It’s annoying because it causes men to not want to build civilization anymore. Thus this blog.

        In fact, in highly feminist American environments, being a CEO or having a lot of money will get you rejected faster than you can say “check please”.

        For awhile, hot women didn’t go anywhere near Silicon Valley and it wasn’t so much because of the reputation of techies for being nerds, but because of the culture that said women don’t need to find stable husbands nor dream anymore about a great house in the suburbs with a white picket fence and children.

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      • “You at least inadvertently come across like every rich guy is insecure or buying bottle service”

        Not every, but the vast majority. It’s like bodybuilders or hot girls…ya, there are confident ones who are cool with themselves, but a lot of them are actually insecure deep down inside and doing what they do for the validation. I even knew a guy who chose to become a doctor (tons of schooling, debt, training, work, etc.) just because he thought it’d help him get girls. Deep down he wasn’t doing it for the right reasons.

        The problem with spending all your time focusing on getting rich is that you don’t have time to focus on your other shit. The guy riding the subway surrounded by people, and hanging out with his co-workers at happy hour, then meeting up with his friends for the night and heading home to his dorm is going to be better with women than the rich CEO who’s working 100 hour work-weeks at the office till midnight driving around in his expensive 2-seater car to his mansion on the hill.

        “instead of comparing oranges to oranges which would be a CEO with game vs a surfer dude with game.”

        The reason this comparison doesn’t work is that equal game gets equal results, and that two guys never have equal game because there are too many factors involved. This is a silly argument generally brought up by Keyboard Jockeys who’d rather mentally masturbate about hypotheticals than go out in the real world and observe how often they run into a CEO and a surfer dude with the same amount of game.

        The only benefit the CEO’s money gives him is that he has easier access to certain types of girls, and that’s really only relevant if those types of girls are your type. ie – the CEO can afford bottle service in Vegas so he can surround himself by Vegas type girls and the surfer dude would be out of his element in that environment.

        But now put them on a beach with a bunch of chill down to earth girls and the CEO is the one out of his element while the surfer dude kills it.

        It’s just not worth the mental effort to bother stressing about.

        “You’re living in a feminist environment where the CEO with equal game to a poorer dude is at a disadvantage.”

        Yes, if I moved to a third world country where I could buy myself a wife and lock her in the kitchen so no other men could interact with her, it would be different. But not everyone is a pussy lol

        “In fact, in highly feminist American environments, being a CEO or having a lot of money will get you rejected faster than you can say “check please”. ”

        It’s not relevant. This is theory. I know rich guys who do great with girls. Why do they do great? Because they don’t identify themselves or their worth by their money (an external attribute). Again why it’s silly to even waste mental energy on this stuff.

        Again, you have to dig deeper than you are. You’re still looking at surface level stuff.

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      • Consistently impressed with YaReally’s posts.

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      • YaReally is the real deal. I’m a woman (former “hot girl”) and everything he says rings true. There are loads of keyboard jockeys here posting stories about women that clearly come straight out of their imaginations, but he is talking about dynamics that actually exist in nightclubs and social groups.

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      • Thanks for the props, all. Like I’ve said before, anyone who wants proof of the stuff I say just has to go out more and in time they’ll see it for themselves in action.

        I don’t subscribe to theories or hypotheticals, only what works…if I, and other PUAs, consistently found that money or looks made a difference with women, then I would be telling people to get rich and do sit-ups instead.

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      • You should see my penis!

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      • Truth right there.

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      • Heeey. Breaking new ground. That’s what I like to see! Very well said.

        Why not focus on those blank areas of the map where there isn’t “a word for this concept in the PUA community”? You don’t need to hold the other PUAs’ coats like a good cheerleader.

        Matt

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    • on October 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm ImmoralGables

      Lol bro then please explain why there are good looking guys, rich ones, tall ones, buff ones with 6% body fat that don’t get laid.

      All of the above make it easier.

      Game can help a man aim at least 2 points higher then his SMV would dictate. And that’s not even taking into consideration when he goes all out and tries to improve other aspects of his life that woman find attractive (fitness, status, wealth)

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  26. The point is well taken, but let me be a bit of a contrarian:

    In my experience, and what is backed by Charles Murray’s research, is that there is a class divide when it comes to mating and marrying behavior. There is a significant percentage of hot girls from suburban, two-parent homes, who have been socialized or “raised” to value beta provider traits and to dislike aloof alpha behavior of lower class males. To these girls, if you are from a lower class, assertive alpha behavior is viewed as obnoxious to them. Try hard. Like an unintelligent person attempting to play a stereotypical role.

    In these circles, money and credentials are a prerequisite to being considered for a date. That being said, if you meet these prerequisites, I imagine being alpha is more successful than being a beta herb. I guess the point that i’m trying to make is that there is a sexual, status pull that quality chicks feel when they meet a man with “prestige” (good job, money, high education) that is different than boring, provider qualities. I kind of view it as a form of self-love, because I think women get excited to date guys with these kinds of qualities so they can brag to other women about them.

    Any man who makes a woman fall in love with him and marry him has used some form of game. At some point he has given her what she wants. I think there is some difference as to what women want based on their socio-economic and family backgrounds, i.e. class.

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  27. on October 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm Rock Throwing Peasant

    Girl in pic #2 isn’t hideous, but she’s a plain-jane. C’mon, does anyone really rate her higher than a 5 (without seeing the hips)?

    You don’t need a heck of a lot to land a 5, especially an older one with declining SMV.

    Again, we’re not talking about, “Would you bang her.” That’s a low bar for many men (guilty). Not ugly and decent body=bangable.

    The question is how hard would you have to work. For #2, all you’d need is objective status. I don’t think you’d need to game her or even be objectively handsome.

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  28. Had to look at pic #2 again after reading comments like “meeehhhhh she’s not so baaaad”. If she’s “not so bad” then all the 7/8s you guys are claiming are in reality at beat -650 trillions. Maybe zillions.

    If I were as horny and clueless as I was when I was 14, maybe I’d grace #2 with some #1 on her face before she turned around and closed her eyes and mouth while I beat off into a moist towelette.

    Homos.

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  29. I needed game and still need game as a married man. A man ALWAYS needs game, married or single.

    And in fact I didn’t “land” my wife, she landed me. I internalized game and she came to me and wouldn’t let go. (I did the initial approach.) Through her femininity, she earned it. Of course she is not American.

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  30. Well said. 100% agree. Some other points:

    Ugly average girls and guys who don’t have a shot at getting the turbo hotties out of a nightclub whine about “those girls aren’t even hot and once the makeup is off they’re all hideous and ugly and their fake tits are gross and eww she has a tan what is she trying to be Snookie?” Plus those girls are obviously (to them) all drunk ditzy easy bar sluts that anyone can get etc etc. Generally these people don’t hang out with many very attractive women because their biases are based on stereotypes.

    Do PUAs take down warpigs? Oh ya, there’s lots of that. Especially when you start out and you’ll take anything you can get for the sake of practice. But most PUAs, down the road, get bored of the average 6s and 7s and start purposely tightening their game up and going for the 9s and 10s. Hell I have to actively run anti-game when I talk to ugly girls because my flirting is so instinctual now that I have to consciously turn it off or I have to deal with them chasing me all night and scaring off better girls. Most PUAs generally get mostly 6-8s with the occasional <6 during dry spells or really drunk nights and a handful of 9s-10s. Compared to the average guy who gets primarily 4-6s with the occasional 7-8 and has never even TALKED to a 9-10 let alone banged one or had one as a fuckbuddy or relationship etc, that's pretty decent.

    Two main factors for why PUAs aren't banging 10s constantly (despite the marketing) is that 1) we still get chickenshit approaching them. We're better equipped to handle them when we do approach but the adrenaline is going for us when we jump out of a plane as much as it is for other guys, tho we try to numb ourselves to it with exposure.

    The other factor is that there just aren't that many 10s out there. Your shitty podunk little town doesn't have 10s. It might have a few really hot girls, and relative to the girls in that area they might be considered 10s, but they don't look like the girls you'll find in Vegas or high-end LA nightclubs. Most bars there'll be a ton of ugly, average and decent girls and maybe 2 or 3 legit turbo hotties that own the room, if that, on any given night.

    Anyway, past around an 8 everyone's own taste gets involved and my 10 is your 8 and your 10 is my 8 so rating in detail gets a bit silly past that point. But we can all agree that the average anti-gamer isn't picking up girls like the last photo in the article and the anti-game women (hi, sue!) don't look like and don't have many (if any) friends who look like them either (and then they'll poll those average friends of theirs for their opinion on game concepts like anyone gives a shit what a 6 thinks of negs lol hi again sue)

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    • “Your shitty podunk little town doesn’t have 10s. It might have a few really hot girls, and relative to the girls in that area they might be considered 10s…”

      The whole 1-10 rating scale is relative. It’s a sliding scale: grading on a curve. A mental-case 10 in Los Angeles is a mental-case 6 in Peoria. You know? They’re both top of the heap in their respective communities.

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      • Since television and then the internet, it is more apparent that the scale is not relative. Men in different regions and situations just have different priorities.

        Everyone knows what beauty is, and everyone knows that ugly is. It’s ingrained into us so much so that babies can recognize it. It’s just that as people get older, social expectations and practicality get in the way of that.

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      • Right. First movies, then television began chipping away at the phenomenon of Hottest Chick in Town — when you could go to the theater and see Raquel Welch, whom you otherwise would have laid eyes upon in a hundred lifetimes out in Toledo, OH.

        Then comes the internet to utterly obliterate the restrictions on accessibility to beauty.

        The problem with the HB10 scale is … everyone seems to settle in the 7-8 range: we know they aren’t world-class beauties, we know they aren’t average, and yet we know they are attractive. You don’t hear much argument over the subtle differences between a 3.5 and a 4. If the thick part of the bell curve truly were around 5, there would be much more variation in reported numbers.

        A better measuring stick is like the scale for men: alpha (attractive), beta (unattractive), and omega (invisible). The crucial distinctions and shades of gray are at the top. You can append adjectives like “lesser” or “greater” or “super” or “apex” to alpha, beta, and omega, but those are useful mostly for one-to-one comparisons. Why crowd the subtle differences of a ten point scale for women into the few decimal points between 7 and 9? The distinctions at that stage are moot, unless you are comparing one girl to another, and for that you use simple comparative syntax: “that one’s prettier than that one.” You don’t have to dork it down into, “she’s 5/8ths of a point more attractive.” Absolute values therefore tell us nothing except relative rank between two concrete subjects.

        With apologies to YaReally’s binary system:

        1 = attractive (would bang)
        0 = unattractive (would not bang)
        -1 = invisible (who now? I thought she was furniture)

        Everything else is OCD hair-splitting, distinctions without a difference, and irrelevant to the assessment: “If she put her hair up, she’d turn that 5.25 into a 5.75.” Does that make sense to anybody but the eye of the beholder?

        Even the ZOMG!!! the hottest girl I’ve ever seen in my life!!! HB11 is irrelevant to the question at hand and more subjective than we realize: I’m left scratching my head at the photos that are offered as undeniable proof of beauty (including the cleavage shots above). The je ne sais quoi just doesn’t transmit across two dimensions or translate into hard numbers.

        Matt

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      • A quip, it’s a trinary system.

        However, there is a difference between 6 – 7 and 7.5 + up. Though both categories are considered fuckable, it’s more close to a Richter scale, it’s the order of magnitude that is somewhat apparent.

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      • Oh I agree it’s kind of a dumb system. Especially when it’s super-simplified. Plus personality-wise, I like out-going, loud, energetic girls where someone else might like quiet, shy, laid-back girls, so again your 10 might be my 8 and my 10 might be your 8.

        The only reason we really used a system was for exchanging data in Field Reports.

        PUA History Lesson #34:

        In the old days of PUA Field Reports, a lot of us actually had 3 ratings…Her looks, her personality, and how she sees herself, out of ten.

        So a psycho drama-filled coke-head LA girl might be a 9/10 in looks, but a 2/10 in personality, and thinks she’s an 11/10. A down to earth, fun, average-looking girl might be a 7/10 in looks, but a 10/10 in personality, but is shy and thinks she’s only a 5/10.

        Her looks rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of how hot she was and how other people in the room would react to her and how difficult a set it was and why certain choices were made in which tactics to use etc. (a set of two turbo 10 who are peacocked and turn everyone’s heads just walking through the room, VS a lonely mousy 4 being un-noticed in a corner and probably having low self-esteem, etc.).

        Her personality rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of how into the girl he was, or why he treated her in certain ways or made exceptions to certain rules or altered his tactics as he got to know her (treating a 2 in personality like shit VS building a lot of rapport with a girl who turns out to have a 10 personality).

        Her “how she sees herself” rating was so other PUAs could get an idea of why certain tactics were used and consistent logic was broken…ie – you never neg a 6…unless she THINKS she’s a 10, then it’s fine. Or someone would be like “Dude that was a 10, you should have negged her.” but if she sees herself as a 6, then it’d fuck things up.

        Often this elaborate system only came up in unsual Field Reports where there was a need for clarification. If the girl was an 8 who looked and acted like an 8, there was no need to call her more than an HB8.

        A lot of the time now, guys simply subscribe to the binary system…She’s either a 0 (wouldn’t fuck her) or a 1 (would fuck her) lol

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  31. Besides, game isn’t “mind tricks.” When a man embraces game, and practices until he has achieved mastery of inner game; when a man has an unshakeable frame, and an irrational confidence; when a man knows how to be cocky and tease until the women chase him; when a man has done these things, he is no longer playing a game. Game has transformed him. He has become a better man, and women desire him.

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  32. Man should be about getting his horse high as a motherfucker, then going mongo bongos on other mens horses. (Don’t make me pull up the clip from Blazing Saddles lolol)

    The endgame is that Women ultimately are our gods and we their slaves, constantly trying to decipher their meanings and please them without looking desperate or needy.

    The interaction has been that way for social selected tribes of humans since there was such a thing as far as I can tell.

    We toppled our temples, touted our freedom from archaic leaders and instead have dawned wedding rings and mortgages.

    Now, our enlightened have dawned various terms of peacockry, tans, and curves similar to a woman.

    We are novices in their world of complete inanity and colored lips.

    We, the conquerors we are as dudes might as well just conquer being women better than women can be women lol

    I still love reading your blog, but all the things that happened to me on my pursuit of game turned me into a cold master bastard. I just don’t give a shit, I fuck some 7’s and 8’s if I feel like half-trying and move on. I am waaaaaaay to self-absorbed to give a shit about inanity because my dick is hard for someone.

    Maybe that will change when I am 40, but I am pretty sure by that time I will be on thai-harem.plan.

    Why even make a post dedicated to plebs? Their unrealization is their happyness and SOMEONE has to breed my slave race.

    STOP IT ;D

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  33. When I met my (now-ex) wife back in my late 20s, I’d been relatively successful with woman, though not as much as I’d have liked. By that time I had a, what I know now, was a much higher than average count. And I was a pretty average, 5’9″, moderately good looking, but generally well dressed, etc.

    In the years I was married, had I discovered this site then, I would have been the beta arguing that I didn’t need Game to land a wife, all I had to do was be a nice guy, and be myself. Dammit! It was only after I was separated that I found the Manosphere through the portals of Citizen Renegade.

    It was then that I had the revelation that I had, in fact, needed Game to land the many SNLs, ONS, and STRs that I did in my twenties. Not to mention my wife. I just didn’t know back then it was called “Game.” I was still a “nice guy” but looking back, I had the body language, teasing banter, push-pull, etc. With the ex, I had one date, ended up at her place and stayed the weekend. That was the only date.

    What I more painfully realized is that during the late stages of the marriage, I’d gradually lost those qualities and slipped into abject beta mode. While I don’t take all the blame for the divorce, which was very amicable, I can now recognize that I might have turned things around if I’d found this place 8 or 9 years ago.

    So, yes, you need Game. In every facet of life. To me, it just being a man…

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    • Well, better late than never. I’m glad that you, and everybody who’s here is here. Even if we have our disagreements, there are very few islands of real, honest discussion on these matters on the net. So whoever comes and whenever, good on you.

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  34. Just go mongo bongos on the religion of love.

    Get your horse then punch high whoreses.

    Negativity pushes those away like SHINRA TENSEI

    Positivity attracts sexy racks so you can cummy their buttcracks

    But really you just have to know its value preferance and selection that weigh heavy on your heart.

    To have what you want, you cannot be you. You are not good enough. That’s the source of this post of you normies out there. He is right you know. Girls are just given +2 points for free, one from us and one from almighty god.

    Or you can fight this reality and be so you that the wolves run.

    Chase the wolves.

    CHASE THE WOLVES.

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  35. Anti-gamers are no different than your average person championing the “just be yourself” tripe.

    People don’t want to believe that they might be flawed and they damn sure don’t want to believe that the kind of relationships they want depend on qualities they may or may not have.
    It’s the same reason woman don’t like the fact that their looks are what get a guy talking to them in the first place.

    also the beta hamster in action is quite hilarious, saw one guy’s comment on a photo of a woman and he said he liked her ordinary looks and that they made her “approachable” and “real”.

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    • To have what you want, you cannot be you. You are not good enough.

      Thats the rub. The person that wanted the nice rack to hold his cock never gets it.

      Just the same skinsack.

      The alpha hamster needs the beta hamster to boost him with a bunch of test and reasons so be nice to them!

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  36. Let’s take a couple of deep breaths here. The average man will – at best – date and marry an average woman. And vice versa. How could it be otherwise? This leaves some relevant questions – for both sexes – such as “how can I improve my SMV (real or apparent) and thus attract/date/marry somebody higher up on the scale than where I am am now?”. And there are zillions of writings on this subject. “Game” is one subsection – likely a good one – on this topic. But it is foolish for a man or a woman to try to bat
    WAY out of their league.

    But there is a difference, much discussed in this blog, in that men find out their SMV fast and hard. (This does not prevent improvement, but makes the issue obvious). Women can get suckered into alpha orbiting, where the alpha man has sex with them with no intention of marrying, hence the large volume of “how do I get him to commit” scribblings (The real but unpopular answer: “You wont. Not with him. But maybe with somebody within your league”)

    Thor

    Granted, there are distortions to the simple picture above,

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    • But what if you’re in a much lower league, becuase you have been raised that way? Or because of some other external, temporal factors? I was in a such position, and girls hardly ever noticed me. Once i got selfconfidance, things got instantly better, and i adapted.

      Now 10s are still out of my league, and as you say; i can’t have them. But with engaging them i will firstly lose fear, secondly find out what make them interested in guys, and than figure out ways to became just like that. Once i notice that i’ve progressed enough(relative as it is), i can go for younger 10s.
      Once you’re with these people you tend to learn of them(you come hitting on them, and flirting,and being intersting), since they’re always open to new experiances, and pleasures, that is your ticket to knowledge.

      My thought is that if you put yourself to 10s, you’ll get to know them, and than you’ll find ways to get them, you’ll adapt, surely after much of practice, but my thought is you will, like many betas did with 7s, and 8s.

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      • Again, as I noted, improvements of SMV are usually possible. The fastest track for a man is probably in most cases improved self-confidence, but this does not preclude useful changes in clothing, hobbies, dress etc.

        Thor

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      • In my opinion, best way to the 10 is “shining”. Making yourself distinctive among the group. That will bring you many enemies surely, but it will bring you the 10/9s too, meaning they might even come to you, depends how much distinctive you are. For me it was my knowing of the subject we study, and dominant way of explaining it, often including my own wiew of the subject. i’ve crossed the line with it but that’s just the way i am. It can be everywhere you like, on the dance podium, sports that she’ll see and you’re good at, anywhere you can legitimely distinct yourself. She noticed me, (it’s hardly that she wouldn’t), i showed no fear, and eye flirted, plus there were other girls that saw me as well, and that’s how i got my SMV raised, even got 10 jealous, even though she (and these other girls had older boyfriends).

        I got to her’s social circle and i was her “flirt friend” nothing happened( i won’t reveal why i didn’t do kino), but still i got points with other girls and higher status with guys which MOST(except alphas) of them could barely approach her, and also got to practice a lot.
        Slightest obvious betaness is punished instatntly, plus you have to continually manifest the traits that are doing you to shine, but not close to the point before you were in her social circle.

        In the end it is true that you won’t be able to be with the girl out of your league, but the thing is you can jump leagues, and that happens with experiance, and hard work and a lot of courage(whether it’s approach fears, or fears of other guys that hate you, in case you don’t have crew to back you up), gotta go now.
        Sorry for bad English

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      • “Anti-gamers don’t have the discipline to change. It takes a lot of commitment, willingness to fail or be rejected, and a complete change in mindset to make it work. It takes work to get game or look good.”

        That’s exactly how will you rise your SMV, learn game that’s it. i’m douing it and it’s hard as hell sometimes, but i make progress. The original post just below

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      • On another angle: Where do you find those stacks of 10s on which to practice? This is a real question, not a sarcasm.

        Thor

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      • on October 10, 2012 at 2:50 am Mr. Pointyface

        Any decent college campus has tons of gorgeous girls. I think there’s been a big increase in carb-awareness in the USA and the smarter chicks are not porking up by 18.

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      • Los Angeles. They get skimmed off the top of every town in America.

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      • Don’t even bother with 10s, except to make the 8s seem more attainable afterwards.

        I’ve been with a couple of them, and them girls were in no way, shape, or form worth the hassle.

        In the end, it’s just a hole, you know?

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      • I’m feeling you since I have relatives who are also players and kind of jaded. However, like I have asked them, what were you expecting to get out of it?

        For someone else, a 10 may be their dream. Don’t kill their dreams, man.

        Since you’re a guy with options, you get to pick women from wherever on the scale they are, who have whatever specific traits you like. Others need to shoot for the starts so they may at least reach the moon, so to speak.

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      • Thanks, Nicole, but I wasn’t really *that* much of a player — I’ve got too many other more absorbing interests. Besides, here in LA, dating is ridiculously easy if you’re tall and somewhat attractive, so it was catch-and-release for many years. And I’m quite happily married now, to an 8.

        But since most guys have a rat’s chance in jail of 1) meeting, 2) gaming, and then 3) scoring with a turbo 10 (as Heartiste says), why even bother? There are attainable 8s in nearly all communities everywhere, as long as you find ’em young.

        Plus, what nobody tells us is that the 10s are lousy in bed. They really are.

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      • Of course 10s are lousy in bed

        10s are lousy at almost everything

        why ?

        simply because when a woman is that good looking she does not have to be good at anything

        she is so hot that men will buy her dinner, marry her even if she is a lousy wife, a lousy cook, and lousy in bed

        10s also get jobs and promotions without having to be good at anyhting

        their looks alone get them all they want and need without ever having to be good at anything

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      • Can you give some examples of whom you consider to be a 10?

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      • My personal Turbo 10? Nicole Scherzinger. But I have a thing for singers.

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      • Yeah she is good looking but being a blue eyed, blonde haired, milky white caucasian man , I do not like brown girls, they have brown , well … let me remain polite, brown genitals, and I am turned off by that.

        as are most caucasian men.

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  37. Anti-gamers don’t have the discipline to change. It takes a lot of commitment, willingness to fail or be rejected, and a complete change in mindset to make it work. It’s a whole lot easier to just be yourself or eat yourself fat. It takes work to get game or look good.

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    • What did you do to lose weight and get down to 12% bodyfat?

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      • I take vitamins, minerals, and whey protein. Eat a lot of fruits and veggies. I also do the big three lifts at the gym…squat, deadlift, bench. For cardio I walk.

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  38. I read the Radio Derb that gives a shoutout to CH. In it, Derb correctly likens liberalism to a new, aggressively-proselytized religion like Christianity was 1000 years ago.

    He also lists Liberalism’s shortcomings, which I would summarize as follows: the Liberal/Universalist religion is like software that destroys its own hardware.

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    • well you can see what happened with Christianity, it was significantly watered, and a lot of the things passed for it. That’s how Christian nations became the most imperialistic ones.
      There was always those that kept it to the fullest, but they were always minority, and shall stay so till the end of the world.

      You can see the same in the Buddhist countries. The point of the Buddhist life would be to became a monk and you know the rest. Yet you get how peacefull Japan, or Vietnam are.

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  39. One question: do you become potato faced from being a vegetarian? 😉

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  40. What do you think of this article? What’s the Chateau’s take?

    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/50-shades-of-emma/

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    • Maybe he’s playing the field and spinning his story? A guy with his assets, reasonable looks and personality could have met 1000 wonderful women in EE. You can’t be a complete social loser and succeed on Wallstreet. Something doesn’t smell right with that story.

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    • Why do these rich fools throw money out of the window instead of taping “seduction” or “handling bitches” on google?

      Goddamn fools.

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    • Jesus. The body language in that photo dried up MY vag. “Aww shucks!” They could’ve ended the “here’s why” with just that pic.

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      • I’m reading a book about body language. If men had a better idea about that…it could cut out a lot of self defeating behavior.

        Slumped shoulders, palms up, insincere smile with lots of teeth…nothing projects an air of submissiveness.

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      • Even as a man, I would look at this guy and immediately have little respect for him and give him very little authority or value in my mind.

        It’s part of why I’m not intimidated at the bar by the body-builder or MMA guys or the Armani guys…a lot of them give off an air of confidence, and have badass tough-guy body language and you KNOW they could kick your ass or that they totally drive around in a Ferrari, and you really REALLY believe that they’re alpha and you can even pre-drink with them and talk about chicks and they’ll tell you all their badass stories about all these hotties they’ve banged and they’ll talk big about how they can’t wait to “pick up some bitches” and “get some pussy” that night as you guys head to the bar…

        …and then once they’re actually IN the bar and you put a hot girl in front of them or try to get them to approach, they’re standing there with a drink up at their chest looking around nervously, shoulders slumped and looking like this guy. The paper tiger revealed for what it is…seen this time and time again, and these guys have NO idea how much their body-language is giving away about their internal thoughts/feelings/self-worth. 🙂

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  41. “Or you can continue taking the path of least resistance and settling down in easy monotony with potato faces”

    This makes no sense. The anti-game husband wouldn’t be bringing up his wife and essentially bragging about her if she didn’t turn him on.

    The best girls are the 19- to 21-year-old evangelical small-towner Sarah Palin types but they’re married by age 22, poppin’ out kids at 23, and the PUAs never get within 100 miles of them. They don’t know what they’re missing.

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  42. Hmmm.. a ton of Beta-hating in this Alpha Music. Inspiration for the Chateau’s Alpha theme song perhaps 😉

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  43. First one: roll her in flour to you find the wet spot
    Second one: slump buster
    Third group : Slump over lets party

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  44. on October 9, 2012 at 8:03 pm eat it up beat it up

    Maybe if everyone reading this blog became an alpha then we could collectively crush the femnazi regime. It’s been a dream of mine for a long time…

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  45. Well no shit you don’t need game to land a wife!! I mean, after all, guys have been successfully reproducing for millennia before anybody thought of the concept of game. Game is just a way of getting better at what we’re already programmed to do.

    It’s like with athletics…some people are naturally more athletic than others without ever needing to workout, but that doesn’t mean hitting the weights is a waste of time.

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  46. Game will work on a woman with normal mental health but if you make the mistake of marrying one and trying to tame her craziness with game you are in for a world of angst.

    Game will work on the crazy ones as far as a short term lay goes then you have to cut them loose.

    Crazy/Stupid/Irrational in the long run will bring the Sane/Rational/Logical down to their level and beat them with experience.

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  47. Only in the anglosphere will you find faggots putting up with bitchy attitudes from women just to get sex. And PUAs are not exempt from this either.

    The proper response to a “bitch shield” is not to push through but to say, “ok well fuck you then.” Be your own man. You think Putin is going to put up with that shit?

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  48. Women are human too. They need male attention. If men start only rewarding good behavior then they will start to come around. Unfortunately PUAs do nothing to discourage bitchy behavior from women, they just feed them the attention they crave and make them worse.

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    • Yeah, that’d be nice, but in the eyes of women today, men rewarding good behavior is predictable and therefore boring…women crave excitement and so they go for the alpha, which brings far more attention and self-aggrandizement than any good-behavior-rewarding beta ever could. Because of that bitchy behavior isn’t going away anytime soon and PUA simply deals with things as they are instead of wishing for some other world. The only proven way to discourage the cycle of hypergamy is a society with strongly defined gender roles and female obedience to fathers/husbands, but in the US that ship sailed a long time ago so we might as well enjoy the malaise for what it’s worth.

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    • We have no interest in fixing a fucked up society, we simply learned to be profitable within it. In fact you could argue that we don’t WANT women’s behavior to change because then we would have more competition since the beta schlubs with no game would have a shot as opposed to being stuck on the sidelines watching us own it.

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    • I call bullshit.
      Only if ALL men, society wide only rewarded good behaviour and punished bad would women eventually come around. As things stand, this is never going to happen. Pandoras feminist box has been opened and the Id monster has speard its tentacles far and wide.

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  49. PUA movement = Braess’s paradox
    but what your gonna do?

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  50. ” I didn’t need to game to land my wife.”

    Marriages to barnyard animals are still not recognized by most states.

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  51. Before I read this blog, I would’ve claimed that I didn’t need game to get my wife. (she’s a HB8) Now that I’ve read this blog, I’ve realized that in fact I was using some basic game without even realizing it.

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  52. Off-topic, but… actual Bird Bird ad by Obama (not making it up):

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    • on October 10, 2012 at 9:30 am FuriousFerret

      He’s right.

      I thought this was Saturday Night Live or something.

      It’s actual campaign ad.

      LOL.

      Obama is correctly so assured of victory that they are free to play the role of the Harlem Globetrotters vs the Generals, and make ads just for the lolz.

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    • I feel dumber for having seen that.

      I also like how they left out Jon Corzine from the list of criminals. Including him would have been…awkward.

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  53. The person who makes that kind of comment is in such denial…they desperately want to believe that since they’re married to some form of woman that they disprove game, even though they have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about. It’s exactly the protest of the guys still stuck in the cave who’ve never seen the natural beauty just outside. Sometimes I think we should pity them for being trapped in the cage of their own BS…but then I think nah fuck that let’s watch them rot and laugh.

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  54. Well, to be a little bit fair with this particular group of haters, let’s point out that game was effectively less of a necessity for betas to land a wife back in the old days when the systems was entirely rigged on their favor. A woman with all the pressure to marry before being 20 years old and the very bleak scenario of spinterhood if she got caught in a bang with an uncommited alpha and hey, that dweeb on the door with a handful of flowers sounds like the least bad of the life choices. There you have the old grampa claiming that he didn’t need these Neil Strauss shit to win his wife over some decades after.

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  55. on October 9, 2012 at 10:44 pm gunslingergregi

    i could marry any woman i have sex with experience means i don’t

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  56. There is no denying that Game works – but you must also look at context. Not too long ago in America, “Game” was different – if a man was a respected community figure and could provide well, that was all the Game he needed. The sexual revolution caused by liberalization has changed all this.

    If you go to other parts of the world, Game is different. I recall reading one of Roosh’s posts on how he describes that different styles work in Eastern Europe. And I would suggest that in Southeast Asia or Japan, the Game needed will be quite different.

    However, the core concept of “Game” – that is, for the relationship to flourish, the men needs to take the dominant leader position and women subconsiously want to be led is universal for all civilizations. There is no doubt that the lives of many people will be vastly improved if they simply followed this simply maxim.

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  57. There is another thing, even if a guy with no game somehow manages to get a hot wife so what? There are 7 billion people on this planet there are always going to be statistical anomalies. One bit of anecdotal evidence proves nothing,

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  58. Obama has no dick. Maybe he had one once; long ago, but not now. Was it from a random saber cut, or a chainsaw run-away accident or a tragic genetic bit of really bad luck? The experts are still debating the question, Some say he received the wound of all wounds as a young boy.in a knife fight in surinam, Others insist his mother took his whole package off with a straight razor and subsequently fed it to her ferrets for the luzzstzzsteth of it all when he was just 8 days old.
    Anyway, this true and deep understanding of his actual situation goes a long way towards explaining BOs nearly out of control involvement in the down low.. The Down Low scene.

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    • on October 10, 2012 at 2:59 am Mr. Pointyface

      It’s so funny to hear little bitty haters talk about big shots. He’s important, you’re not. Even W was important, but in a blundering way. Us? Nobodies.

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    • Sleep it off, man. He’s more alpha than you’ll ever be.

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    • Based on this article about the judgment of his ex-girlfriends, Obama did have game, at least in his early years:

      “In one diary entry from February 1984, Ms Cook – a girlfriend for more than a year – noted that in their relationship “the sexual warmth is definitely there – but the rest of it has sharp edges”.

      She recalled “feeling anger” at Mr Obama, whose “warmth can be deceptive”. Foreshadowing a criticism often levelled at the President today, she said: “Though he speaks sweet words there is also that coolness”.

      . . . . In another entry, she wrote that there was “so much going on beneath the surface, out of reach,” adding that Mr Obama was “guarded, controlled.””

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/9241843/Barack-Obamas-ex-girlfriends-speak-of-his-sexual-warmth.html

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  59. I used game BEFORE the wedding, and I have continued to use game AFTER the wedding. It gets toned down a little, but many of the same techniques still work.

    Thanks for honing my thinking, Heartiste.

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  60. Beyond the hypergamous dragon which seeks higher value by mating up, women’s eternal solipsism and constant false confidence boosts from fat friends’ pretty little lies (“oh you’re so hot”, “you’re so pretty”) muddles self-perception to the point of narcissistic entitlement. and then we end with girls who aren’t as pretty as they think they are, which are swamp creatures who expect their pannies to be swept off by abercrombie model men. thus, average game will grant an average guy (let’s give him a “6” rating) access to a girl two ranks below (“4”), all else constant.

    Jelly rolls with that coffee, average Joe?

    http://kaneadvice.wordpress.com/2011/08/09/why-girls-arent-as-pretty-as-they-think/

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  61. Amanda. Grab your tumescent labial folds with both of your hands and squeeeze. hard as if your life dependended on it. SHow us cumming or yu cannot liffe!!!!!
    HA!

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  62. on October 10, 2012 at 12:23 am gunslingergregi

    what the fuck show am i watching with a fat chick having two dudes fighting over her

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  63. on October 10, 2012 at 12:26 am gunslingergregi

    oh its called gigalos the chick was paying them how the fuck can they show that on tv

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  64. http://www.metro.co.uk/news/914490-prison-nurse-jailed-for-three-years-after-affair-with-rapist-inmate#ixzz28s5GzgWZ

    “A nurse who had an affair with a convicted rapist while working at a high-security prison was yesterday jailed for three years.

    Karen Cosford had a sexual fling with Brian McBride and sent him intimate messages on a smuggled mobile phone over several months.

    She performed a sex act on him while colleagues Carolyn Falloon and Jacqueline Flynn guarded his cell.”

    Rapist: Wanna do it in my prison cell?

    Chick: (*GUSH*) I’ll get my two BFFs to cover us!

    Beta: Hey, want to get coffee sometime?

    Chick: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE!

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  65. Technically speaking; in many cases you don’t need any game to land a wife.

    All you need is a harpoon.

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  66. I am going to tell you why Game is a non-existent entity.

    Where does it derive from? Probably Neil Strauss’ book. And where did he get it from? Probably Eric Berne and Transactional Analysis, and he acknowledges the influence of Stephen Potter who wrote books with the titles Lifemanship and GAMEsmanship, but those books were not meant to be taken seriously, any More than Ovid’s Art of Love from 1BC was meant to be taken seriously but these are the forbears of Game. If Game really existed isn’t it curious that there is no Socratic dialogue on the subject; isn’t it strange that neither Augustine nor Kant (who both had a lot to say about lieing) never mentioned it. Indeed no one mentioned it until this millienium. Don’t you think that rather strange?

    Game, such as it is, is merely applying ordinary tit for tat and the like to women, but in the main if you are like Brad Pitt, women are going to throw themselves at you and for that you need looks, youth and a few muscles.

    The real problem with Game is this: that it is like religious belief. You will change if you sincerely believe. You did not change? Then you did not really believe. The same is true of Game. You did not score with that woman – you were not applying game properly. You did score, then you were applying Game. I say that is pooppycock. Given the amount of effort he puts in the success rate of Krauser is pathetic. If he had youth looks and muscles he would put in a fraction of the effort and time and do a lot better. Of course he does better than most, but his effort belies the claims of the efficacy of Game.

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    • kierkegaard wrote extensively on seduction aka. game. just saying.

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    • on October 10, 2012 at 5:25 am FuriousFerret

      Opus,

      I don’t think you really fully understand how many men anti-game. In the presense of a hot girl, men will constantly act in the stupidest ways possible. If you were a never that much of loser around women, you probably don’t realize how bad this really is.

      I believe that looks mean NOTHING when anti-game is involved. I am a pretty decent looking guy. I look like a bigger version of Beck Hansen and I got IOIs all the time and I consisently fucked it up so so hard. I mean so hard that I eventually got skittish as hell.

      Getting rid of anti-game is the single best thing that you could ever do in terms of getting with women. It’s just like weight lifting and the McDonald Principle.

      When you start out from being a guy that has never lifted weights, you are usually a fat, soft, marshmellow with shitty muscle mass and no definition. However the first year that you put in hard work at the gym and lift, the gains are enormous RELATIVE to where you started. You are no where near the gym rats with huge muscles, but at the end of a year you have normal body fat percentage and decent muscularity .

      Now to go the next level and gain even more muscle, it takes twice the work. You have to learn about nutrition, learn the proper form, learn different work out routines. Each pound of muscle becomes that much harder. So to actually achieve that jacked look is extremely hard and takes years of dedication with the right training. Those are the guys that everybody looks up to in the gym.

      It’s the same with game:

      Year 1 – Anti-game gets sifted out and you get experience in using active game and you improve massively however you are no where near the experienced players and getting to level that constantly brings consisent results that years of practice and dedication.

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      • “I don’t think you really fully understand how many men anti-game. In the presense of a hot girl, men will constantly act in the stupidest ways possible. If you were a never that much of loser around women, you probably don’t realize how bad this really is.”

        Yep. I have a couple of friends who WANT to get girls, but they don’t listen to my advice because they’re still clinging to the Nice Guy mentality (you HAVE to answer every txt she sends you, not answering would be rude and playing too many mind-games! okay there…). I routinely throw girls at them or watch them interacting with girls when we’re out and it’s just mind-blowingly frustrating to watch. They’re good looking dudes with a lot going for them, and they’re even really social guys, they just don’t understand seduction.

        So I’m constantly watching girls they know running up and hugging them and flirting with them while they do absolutely nothing about it. They don’t get her phone number, they don’t touch her, they don’t escalate, they don’t try to isolate her, they say and do things that turn her off…it’s so bad that it’s actually funny to me some nights even though it frustrates me to watch.

        These are guys you would probably think do fine with girls if you saw and met them, but they just ooze anti-game…and then I gotta listen to them bitch at the end of the night about “remember that girl?? she was so cute, wow” “did you make out with her?” “no…” “did you get her number?” “no…I got her Facebook though…” AWESOME. lol

        Like, these guys would have to undo most of this bad wiring before they could even BEGIN to start re-wiring themselves. I know because I had to do it, and I had a higher climb than these guys because I started out way worse than most people. It took me over a year to weed out the anti-game in me…I saw results during the first year, because I was going out a lot, but I was dropping the ball CONSTANTLY left and right lol

        People don’t realize how long a journey seriously learning PUA really is.

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      • on October 10, 2012 at 3:52 pm ImmoralGables

        AMEN

        It’s unwiring the negative thinking
        It’s learning positive thinking
        It’s learning good body language
        Its reading the material
        Its Using the material
        Its fucking it up and learning why
        Its trying out new material and not fucking up this time
        It’s going out with different people to get experience
        It’s going out alone for the first time
        It’s taking that deep breath, saying fuck it and approaching that attractive girl that you wouldn’t have a year ago
        It’s getting that number, texting and figuring out where you fucked up
        It’s texting more with the next girl, getting more responses but fucking up…except you made it further this time

        It’s not being happy with your results and then staring over but this time with more wisdom

        It’s a lot of rejection and little gains at first and even then.

        It’s so much more than reading the Game and asking a girl if she would like to kiss you.

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    • The real problem with Game is this: that it is like religious belief. You will change if you sincerely believe. You did not change? Then you did not really believe. The same is true of Game. You did not score with that woman – you were not applying game properly. You did score, then you were applying Game.

      It’s actually not defined that reflexively. Game offers very little, for example, to account for many quirks of female attraction (eg flaking) other than to advise not taking anything personally. (Check out this anecdote: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-16556.html) It’s also possible to “overgame” and wind up with a pissed-off girl. But it’s also possible to believe and yet still fail to execute and game can explain what you did wrong.

      It’s not so much about belief, except for the inner game confidence-building stuff. What ultimately constitutes “game” can be broken into a number of subcategories.

      1. Universal body language and the concept of social dominance. (these are science-heavy)
      2. Describing the rules of social environments (bars, clubs, coffee shops, the street, etc.) and explaining techniques to successfully navigate them.
      3. Overcoming your own psychological handicaps (eg approach anxiety)
      4. Entertaining canned routines to demonstrate social value or build rapport.
      5. Selling yourself without bragging (DHV spikes, etc.)
      6. Emphasizing the importance persistence and assertiveness without entitlement or neediness, especially in the bedroom stages.

      For some of those categories it’s very easy to apply hypotheses with predictive value. If they’re still available, check out the first episode or two in VH1’s “The Pickup Artist” to see some catastrophic failures in categories 1-3. Approach anxiety, poor body language, and ignorance of club social rules can be observed empirically.

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    • Ok, where do I go to buy the youth and athletic genes?

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  67. Here’s the rub: it’s a good bet the quality (aka the sexual market value, or SMV) of their girlfriends or wives is on the middling to low end of the female attractiveness scale.

    I agree, that’s a good bet. I also suspect the cases where game isn’t (consciously) needed to get a wife with high SMV tend to fall into two categories. Either the girl undervalues herself or committed to finding a good husband from a young age. Both of those are increasingly rare in the current culture, and I suspect that most men in those situations don’t typically feel the need to bash game on the internet.

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  68. The blonde walrus in pic 1 lists herself as ‘curvy’ in her online ‘dating’ profile and claims she only dates younger guys (29 tops) because she has just now (in her 40’s) ‘sexually awakened’ and no one older can ‘keep up with her’.
    Barf.
    The brownie in pic 2 is a solid 4, maybe the dentist’s receptionist in a mid-size, non-descript town.
    The girls wearing Dirndl in pic 3 are 6’s who will turn into 4’s and 5’s after 10-15 more years of Bavarian diet.

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    • Sadly, younger guys may be what she needs. I figure a 13 year old would be horny enough to touch her. Not 2 b mean, but girl no. 2 is plain in every way. As for zee german girls, what can you say? cleavage and youth, yes please.

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    • Every time a woman tells me she can not find men who can keep up with her sexual appetite, it turns out her sexual appetite is having sex once or twice every other day

      which is normal frequency for a lot of men

      and usually after about 30 minutes they tell me they can not take it anymore.

      I am sure there are women out there who can go on all night and exhaust me but I have never met one

      by the way I am 53 and I still got it!

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      • viagra?

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      • Being 53 I know my testosterone levels are going down, I will eventually need Viagra, but so far I am doing fine.

        I look at least 10 years younger, I can bench press my own weight easily ( 190 pounds), my libido is above average for a man my age,

        It is mostly good genes but a healthy lifestyle does help

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      • But how much can you deadlift? lolz, jk d/c.

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      • The last girl who I met who bragged about her “sexual appetite” (met her on POF, bragged about how she could wear any guy out in an hour), looked at me like I was crazy when i was ready for Round Three in a 2 hour span. I told her, “It’s different when you aren’t just holding a vibrator to your clit, isn’t it?”, then I smeared lube between her ass cheeks. A month later, I read about her upcoming wedding to her long-term boyfriend (the guy: super beta, probably still wonders why his now-wife refuses to lie on her stomach. Or, you never know, seeing as how she soaked my sheets, *only* lets him fuck her in that position.

        Tl;dr-if she brags about her sexual stamina, she’s a purple sagauro addict.

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    • Julia Gillard is a stupid bitch. A disgrace to Aussie women.

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    • “I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended, I’m offended”

      That’s what happens when women get into politics.

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    • The so-called ‘bemused’ alpha seemed to be blinking a lot… I would have been more impressed if he merely rolled his eyes and made that “yak yak yak” motion with his hand as she was spieling off the “I’m offended”s.

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      • His bemused smile was pretty good. She was really trying to shame him, but he seemed to handle it well.

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      • Fucking lol’ed through the whole thing…that smirk on his face is great. You can practically see him thinking “fuck she talks a lot…but I’d still bang her.” Would love to have seen his response.

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    • She was really angry.

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  69. Not most men. Some smart men. Brains can be a good plus if you’re looking at LTR prospects, if you think you can manage her and if she otherwise has good SMV and uses the brains to make you happy, rather than to torment you. High intelligence (>2 SD above the median) aren’t an initial attractor for most men, and for a guy of dumb to average intelligence, you’d have to wonder what the attraction would be, since a badly managed smart girl my be tempted to use the big brain as a Roots blower for her V-8 hamster and run circles around the guy.

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  70. Game is just the study and application of getting laid. Like math, the better problems take more effort.

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  71. […] beautiful topper comes a few hours later in the day, from the same dickhead, on a completely separate post: Reasoning from anecdote is a logical […]

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  72. In communities that are lagging the cultural revolution, such as Mormons, where the young women aren’t slutty feminists, virgin brides and stay-at-home moms are still the rule, men get evaluated a lot more their beta profile than on game and dick size. Also, while they’re getting fat like everybody, I’d say the housewives tend to stay more attractive on average. IOW, they still live in the 1950s-60s K-selected suburban world I grew up in, the one Jewmedia tells us never existed.

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  73. re: Sailer tweet
    “The United States should adopt whatever policies maximize the per-capita GDP of the existing population of the United States, and their descendants.”

    Sorry Steve, but Mammon doesn’t play favorites.

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  74. The few larping women I slept with were pretty awesome in the sack, though there’s a lot of crazies in that field. Do I still lose points for knowing what it means now?

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  75. I have a friend in Brazil, about 22, he’s incredibly fit and handsome, like a young Marlon Brando who’s jacked. He beds both local girls and also tourist girls from the US, Canada, and Western Europe with great ease. His “game” is to go up to them and ask them if they want to fuck. Yes he doesn’t act “beta” and he’s very manly, but that’s all the game he needs.

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    • 22+fit+handsome = no game required.
      Touristas….well, every year, the beaches of southern Europe are patrolled by guys with little coolers on their shoulders, out of which they sell soft drinks and ice cream. Most of those guys are immigrants (legal or not) from North Africa and the Middle East and they will hit on EVERY more or less attractive female sunbather, all day, every day, for the entire 3-4 months or so the beach season lasts. Depending on how popular their particular location is, they might hit on dozens, hundreds, maybe even thousands of women daily. Blondes preferred (duh…), Redheads come in second, but others will not be ignored, provided they’re cute. Occasionally, they even hit on non-White girls, if the girl is VERY hot. The guys run the gamut from dumpy, hairy fatties to bronzed beach gods and they don’t even care if the girl’s with a guy or not.
      Not sure how much ‘game’ they have – besides heavily accented French – but they understand the numbers game.

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  76. No one has stated the obvious: game isn’t about getting a wife. Getting a wife is like not ending up in jail, or paying bills. It’s part of the traditional social script. And if you’re following the traditional, socially acceptable script, then you don’t need game. You just keep on following the script.

    Of course, the other part of that script is the divorce. So you don’t need game to *get* a wife, but you’ll probably need game to keep her.

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  77. Getting ain’t keeping.

    [heartiste: getting is 9/10s the battle.]

    This is how you lose her.

    http://www.amazon.ca/This-How-You-Lose-Her/dp/1594487367

    [the kind of guys who lose girls are either needy betas trying too hard not to lose her or wandering eye alphas who wouldn’t mind losing her. hth.]

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  78. Re: Lena Dunham, how selfish is it to vote for obama when the country’s falling apart, we’re close to a new great depression, there are embassies being attacked, and the only thing fat, self-important, ugly leftists care about is gays getting to have a “pretty princess day”. Because that’s all it is to the small small # of people for whom “marriage equality” makes a difference.

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    • oh, and in dunham’s not-quite-autobiographical tv show, she portrays herself as not being able to operate a cardboard box. Thnx 4 the opinion.

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  79. Game is the Cheat Code to bagging girls above your league. But it isn’t the ideal way to keep girls because you will need to consciously run Game on them consistently in order to keep them.

    The best indicator of your value as a man is to see which types of girls who you approach end up becoming savvy to your ‘normal’ conversations without running verbal game.

    It’s universally agreed that girls naturally seek out men who are better or higher value than they are.

    So if you’re able to attract 8’s and above naturally, then that basically means your natural attractive qualities (health, style, hobbies, social circle, ambitions etc) are very high and are living a lifestyle that’s naturally attractive. In other words, you are a 9 in the value scale.

    If on the other end, you’re only able to naturally attract 5’s or below, then that means you’re attractive qualities are very low and most likely a 6 at best.

    We attract the types of people based on how we are as men. So if a man’s a 5 in the value scale (bad dress sense, poor health, no hobbies, crap job) then you simply will not be able to attract a girl above a 4 because you haven’t maximized your qualities to naturally bag higher value chicks.

    This explains why celebrities end up dating other celebrities or people who are on the same level as them i.e. A hot female celeb marrying a 20 something self made millionaire.

    It’s very unlikely that this guy ever ran game on her in order to get her to marry him. He didn’t need to because he value was clearly evident.

    The long and short of it is. If you want a 10 in your life, you have to be a 10.

    Game is great for short term lays, but never ideal for long term relationships.

    The best way in my opinion is to work on other areas of yourself besides Game in order to maximize your attractiveness potential and to go up in the SMP scale.

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  80. RE: those pictures. The first is way overweight – yeah that’s an issue. The second is not wearing ANY makeup, her hair and eyebrows aren’t done, and we can’t see her body. And her clothes are WTF? In the third, the girls are wearing makeup, have tans, and their hair is highlighted and styled.

    The second girl could look pretty if she had her hair and make-up done — if she has a good body. Too many men mistake knowing how to use clothes/ make-up and a push up bra as “naturally” prettier then other girls.

    For a marriage or an LRT this is impt.

    Way too many men don’t look at the “lines” of the house. You can get hair styled, learn how to do make-up, buy nice clothing and get a tan. Spray tan if you don’t want wrinkles. You can’t change bone structure or skin tone. I can make-over a mediocre girl into a head-turner in a matter of hours.

    I do think a lot of people get married without elaborate “gaming.” Mitt Romney -“good golly gosh-” — I can’t seem him as a suave gamer. Ann R. is pretty. There’s a lot of married couples like that.

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  81. Girl in photo 2 actually could be very pretty if she put some work into it. That picture is taken at a terrible angle, so it makes her jaw look bigger than it is..(which, while larger than ideal, I’d guess isn’t too terrible). Her eyebrows aren’t groomed, her hair is frizzy and she could stand to lose some weight. With a basic makeover, she could be a 6.

    On the other hand, chick in the middle of photo 3 has had her photo taken at an angle that is universally flattering for females. She also happens to be wearing a shit ton of makeup. Her body appears to be in better shape, but that is likely also skewed by a hardcore push-up bra. Take off all the makeup and the padded bra and give her a bad photo angle and she could be a 4.

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    • She’s plain in every way and therefore a 5 (maybe a 4 to those of us who aren’t plain). Her only saving grace is what I see in that fat whore Lena D. who plays a solid 2 on Girls but through the magic of combing her hair and putting on makeup almost hits a 6 (well, 5.3) in her real-life visage.

      Ugh, the stupid ny whore, president and gay marriage is essential, not guarding embassies. The weird thing is that gay marriage effects her in no way, even if her sister were gay. She acts like her sister cannot have lesbian bed death with another dyke without gov’t approval. I hope her and obama take the gay marriage message and shout it to the skies, inner city.

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  82. on October 11, 2012 at 2:01 pm MenDiscontinued

    They don’t need game because the women chose them.
    You can also say PUA works because women choose them too.
    Makes no difference, this is a numbers game and the woman chooses who she likes.

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  83. I think there’s another side to this, too – some folks like myself learned game before it was out and published. I learned in college that I got treated a lot better (and laid a lot more) when I stood up for myself on the first instance of bad behavior and said ~”you’re cute, but I’m not about to follow you around like a puppy dog.”

    Does that mean I was a “natural?” Err, how should I say this…. OH HELL NO. I’m just a regular guy (though thank god my dates were a HELL of a lot prettier than that bloated landwhale up there…but let’s face it, those German chicks are just average: nowadays all you have to do to be “hot” is not be a total lardass). I think what it means is that a lot of people are learning that “game” is talking about via a filter of people who are either fundamentally clueless or else hostile to it.

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  85. Does “Game” have any relevance to someone (male) who enjoys sex, but has no interest in socialising whatsoever, or of ever having a long or short term relationship? Just to clarify, I’ve been to clubs, bars, etc all over the world, but apart from enjoying the music and drinks, they have always left me cold and bored.

    This is not an attack on the concept of “Game”. I am genuinely trying to see if it has any relevance to my particular situation.

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