Alpha Male Vs Beta Male

There have been photos of alpha males and beta males here at the Chateau before, but never has there been a photo of the two species of man so starkly contrasted in the same photo. And an aesthetically pleasing photo, at that.

How do we know that alpha male and beta male aren’t socially constructed concepts? Because every single one of my readers, except for the disingenuous liars, intuitively knew exactly which man was which without having it spelled out. You looked at this photo and you knew which man was in control of his relationship and his girlfriend’s fidelity, and which man was on the precipice of a breakup wondering why the sex has stopped.

The photographer won $80,000 for this first place photo, and for good reason. It says so much.

But the important things it says are probably not what the judges or the arts community thinks it says. For that, we must delve deeper, to the hulking monstrous id clawing at the cellar door. Like the dream levels in Inception, the ultimate truth is locked in a vault at the center of the subconscious.

Examine the men’s body language. The beta leans into his girl; the alpha stands athwart PDA, yelling Stop. The beta rests his plush noggin on his girlfriend’s shoulder; the alpha holds his head high. The beta’s torso is diminutively curled inward; the alpha’s chest is thrust outward. The beta’s shoulders slump; the alpha’s shoulders square up. The beta’s spine is bent; the alpha’s spine is straight. The beta’s legs are closed; the alpha’s legs are splayed. The beta’s hands are groping his girlfriend for reassurance; the alpha’s hands are clasped away from his girlfriend. The beta is Mr. Sleepyhead; the alpha is calmly alert.

Now examine the body language of the girls. The alpha’s girlfriend leans into him. Her eyes are either closed or heavily lidded with contentment. Her left breast presses into his back and her left arm wraps around him. Her chin rests lovingly on his shoulder. She is ensconced in the cocoon of his masculinity, a mere branch dangling languidly from his oaken composure. She wants to merge with him.

In contrast, the beta’s girlfriend leans away from him, her head turned toward more interesting subjects, like the view out the windows. Her breasts point away from him, in directions unknown but undoubtedly exciting. Her entire body is shifted away from his cuddly meanderings. She grips the coffee cup like a lifeline. Her face betrays a hint of annoyance, or perhaps wistfulness. Wistful for what? A longing for renewed passion? She is playing the role of the oak tree, and she resents it. She wants to chop off his branch and merge with the outside world.

The two couples are mirror images of each other.

Alpha body language — aka high status nonverbal signaling — is absolutely critical to any successful seduction, from pickup to relationship management. Women mentally register the gears and pulleys of our body mechanics before they hear our words, and a misstep there means our words will fall on deaf ears. The good news is that alpha body language can be learned and applied to increase your success rate with women.

While the alpha male in the above photo is more conventionally masculine looking than the beta male, if the beta was sitting like the alpha, mimicking his demeanor, he would suddenly look more masculine to the viewer. And his girlfriend would look less like she was thinking about fucking the guy she met in the coffee shop that morning.

(photo link courtesy of Rufus)





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  1. My eight year old son figured it out right away.

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  2. Brilliant. Have never seen a better example of the two juxtaposed.

    The two couples are mirror images of one another, but one couple is stable, the other is not.

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  3. sorta a Spot the Alpha but the contrast is so strong. it’s interesting because you normally associate leaning back and relaxed as the alpha pose, but this guy is leaning forward.

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  4. One of the first things I noticed was the look of annoyance on the face of the beta’s girlfriend.

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  5. A spot-on analysis, R.

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  6. @ Laura

    “My eight year old son figured it out right away.”

    The force is strong in that one.

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  7. Most of the time when I put my head on husband’s shoulder like the back couple and look up at him, he turns his head regally, vaguely annoyed and says “what do you want, little girl?” which sends me into fits of undignified giggles.

    ALWAYS make her come to you , she wants to work for your love

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  8. @Laura, how did you ask him to differentiate? I’m assuming not “Who’s the beta and who’s the alpha?”

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  9. *yawn*

    It’s just a picture — a single moment in time. Maybe someone died the day before and your so-called “beta” is *gasp* actually able to display some emotion instead of posing like a chimp. You can’t draw such conclusions from a snapshot.

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  10. The alphas hands are clasped in front of his genital area. A better posture would be to have his arms spread out and take more room.

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  11. on August 11, 2010 at 12:38 pm The Rational Male

    If I could get my hands on a frameable copy of that picture I would hang it on my wall and use it as a conversation piece.

    You could find out more about a woman in five minutes listening to her interpret that picture than you could in five months of dating her.

    Awesome.

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  12. it is a very nice photo

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  13. R,
    I noticed an interesting, alpha ‘version’ of PDA. The intent is not to show affection, but to control and dominate the women.

    The man grasps with his right hand the upper left arm of his woman, or vice versa, with the woman walking slightly in front. The man’s arm is bent, allowing him to exert strong tension.

    Any woman in this position damn well knows her place. It’s how you’d walk a docile inmate or blind man. Seen it on two occasions recently, and both men had their shit together. One looked like a hairy Asian version of Saddam Hussein, with an Asian babe half his age.

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  14. Dream Puppy,
    I actually just asked him who he thought was cooler. Eight boys are starting to notice and care about that stuff. He couldn’t really articulate why he felt the way he did, but he chose correctly.

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  15. So do we know alpha’s girl isn’t in the same boat as the beta?

    How do we know it’s stable?

    It’s only stable if HE, Mr. Alpha, was happy with her. Is there anything in his posture that says he’s into her?

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  16. 12th!

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  17. @Alex
    *yawn*

    “It’s just a picture — a single moment in time. Maybe someone died the day before and your so-called “beta” is *gasp* actually able to display some emotion instead of posing like a chimp. You can’t draw such conclusions from a snapshot.”

    I’m with you on this. It goes to show “we want to see what we want to see”.

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  18. @Laura- wow! That is impressive. I guess some of this stuff is universal….

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  19. Amazing post. Non-verbal game is the most important aspect of game, IMO. Walk this way, talk this way, stand this way, sit this way…I don’t think there’s any level of intellect or verbal dexterity that can save you if your body language is screaming “Beta!” at a girl’s subconscious.

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  20. Dream Puppy,
    I do think humans in general are extremely conscious of body language whether they realize it or not.

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  21. @ Alex

    If so, that’s a pathetic display of emotion. The alpha looking guy actually looks like he has some serious shit on his mind, beta guy just looks pathetic.

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  22. I can’t even look at that beta-symp without puking in my mouth a little.

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  23. we DONT actually know anything about the picture

    what we know is what the two couples project

    in each there is a highly engaged partner and a distant, less engaged one

    this is a blog for MEN with advice for MEN

    they come here to learn how to be the DISTANT partner–not the needy looking engaged one

    it’s not rocket science

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  24. on August 11, 2010 at 12:56 pm Stud Dynamite

    ouch Roiss. All sounds right, but lay off on praising another dude. In any case I think it’s overcomplicated.
    Spine, shoulders… you might end up looking like Johny Drama. It’s much simpler, here’s my “game system” (5 g’s workshop coming soon):
    1) relax (as in when a coach before a bout or a nurse before sticking a needle in you tells you to relax)
    2) take yourself seriously
    3) behave high-status with as Roosh said it “what you already know as a man”. That’s where digging jerks comes in – dick-ish, annoyed or angry tone are very close approximations to high status tone.

    I already wrote about 2 and 3 was my other sticking point. Looking into myself, I’m guessing I always had some status potential (thus i.e. approach anxiety never was much of an issue, I feel that I do deserve them girls). So I deeply resent any pushy or bossy behavior toward me – I do actually *feel* bad and angry. And I always thought most people are the same way and consciously avoided ever doing that to people. Wrong, I guess.

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  25. Let me offer some additional validation to the concept if any more is needed.

    Years ago, while my then girfriend was driving me crazy with crap, I ended up seeing an Italian girl on the side who I met at a bar in NYC.

    I was Beta (still am a bit but improving), but something clicked that night and for the first time in my life, I ended up seriously making out with someone I just met in a bar.

    This girl, nice pretty, curvy redhead, knew I was seeing someone, but this did not seem to deter her at all.

    Me, I was elated to get something new to wrap my hands around without of the other crap.

    We saw each other regularly for a few weeks, and it was definitely in large part a physical thing. However, my Beta side kept coming out and I was overtly physical (kissing, hugging, etc) in normal settings. Being clueless Beta, I did not think anything of this except, “Hey, I dig you! I’m just showing it.”

    I remember then women coming out and telling me that she was “uncomfortable with PDA’s”.

    ?!?

    This from the woman who was all over me in a packed bar, sitting at a table full of people, the first time we met.

    This from a woman who on our first actual date was openly stroking my ying-yang in a car on a city street, climbed onto it, and had I been more Alpha, would have sunk it into her creamy depths.

    I rationalized this somehow as being congruent, never for the life of me even conceiving of what the real issue was.

    Although I was not getting ANYTHING of the truth about the situation, the fact that I was seeing this girl when I was already involved kept her interested. I eventually ended it because I was a Beta pussy and went back to my girlfriend, but its these kind of incidents in my life that came back full force when I began reading about Game.

    Red wasn’t uncomfortable with PDA’s, but with ME acting like a needy Beta. The time she wanted me to be all over her was when we were alone and I could give her the full what for, NOT kissy-kissy in the fucking coffee shop.

    Jeezus! Again, I wish this blog had been around at least 10 years ago.

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  26. Bhetti:

    It’s only stable if HE, Mr. Alpha, was happy with her. Is there anything in his posture that says he’s into her?

    The slight smile on his face gives him a look of contentment. That’s the first thing that crossed my mind when I looked at him.

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  27. okay, okay, here is what I really think. I won’t mind having a mixture of both, depending on place, time, and circumstances. A man can be both soft and masculine.

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  28. I always thought jim halpert was faux-alpha, but he’s goin pretty strong in this pic

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  29. on August 11, 2010 at 1:06 pm Stud Dynamite

    also, Roissy, you need to take the entire pill on the whole fidelity/purity issue. It doesn’t really exist (or where it does, it’s not really worth it). Just don’t put yourself into position where infidelity will hurt you.
    Finished 2nd season of Mad Men last night. It is fiction, but I think there’s whole lot more fucking going on in real life than on AMC channel, so I definitely buy what happened there. And note – Don didn’t pull it off as he was himself fucking around and otherwise too busy to mate-guard. Which is what alphas do.

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  30. Guys, dana is right, this really isn’t rocket science. If I were to step on that ferry and see that scene my first thought would be about the guy with his head on his girlfriend’s shoulder, “What a dork. I bet she’s cheating on him.” The second man wouldn’t stand out as much, but he looks like a man that commands some respect and I would probably give it to him.

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  31. on August 11, 2010 at 1:10 pm Rollo Tomassi

    The responses to this image (already) are going to be very telling about an individual responder’s perspective on how gender dynamics should or shouldn’t operate.

    Remember it’s an image, pure and simple; no context, no backstory, only perception. Anything beyond this is speculation on the viewer’s part. Watch and read what those speculations become. Already I’m reading “what if?” responses that modify the perception to fit personal ego-investments.

    “The Alpha in the back could be posturing because of his beta insecurities, and the Beta in front may be finding undiscovered ‘Alpha’ strength in expressing his emotions.” is all speculation meant to wiggle out of the uncomfortable base perception / impression that doesn’t jive with our ego investments. The surface is all that matters in perception. The reason Laura’s 8 year old son made this instantaneous connection is because his ego-investments are still in their formative stages and he read the image based on instinct.

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  32. I’m with you on this. It goes to show “we want to see what we want to see”.

    Yes. And some of us choose to see the truth.

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  33. This pic reminds me off when i went to a whale safari in Norway and we hit a storm and people got ill and started puking,, the loving couples in the beginning where not so into each other after 6 hours of sea sickness syndrome.

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  34. This is one of the most important things I have ever read in my entire life. Freaking genius. God damn it.

    For this shit, I also blame the feminists. They tricked generations of men — and themselves — into believing that women want the caring, sensitive, Alan Alda type of men.

    Bullshit. I was already a bit of a mama’s boy growing up, and as a teenager I got brainwashed into that mindset — I know I have cuddled up to girlfriends like that in the past — and the truth is that this kind of behavior doesn’t do anybody any good.

    The girl might not know it either — she is also brainwashed — but she feels it:

    “Why is the guy hanging on me?”, is what her primitive, feminine brain is telling her.

    “He must be weak. That is dangerous for me, because I am weak too. I need a strong man to survive. Time to pretend I don’t like his PDA, or that I don’t like how he holds his fork. Better break up with him asap. Next!”

    A woman wants — needs — a strong man in her life. When she can safely submit her feminine energy to a strong, powerful, dominant man, she feels whole, she feels alive, she feels like a woman — ready to cook, ready to suck dick, and ready to please her man with her wet pussy.

    And then, everyone is happy.

    I struggled under this incorrect mindset for many years. Only recently, thanks to this site and a few others, am I truly learning what it means to be a man in the world — and not be a beta wimp like the first dude in the picture.

    Thank you Roissy for enlightening me — and all of us who have been done a disservice by this new bullshit world we live in.

    This is one of your best posts ever. The photo is brilliant. The analysis is dead on.

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  35. EPIC FAIL

    Beta’s Woman is dramatically hotter, younger, more feminine, higher cheekbones, & blonder than………

    Alpha’s mousy, plain, egg shaped head, avg. woman

    pathetic, this.

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  36. Silver Fox,
    I agree that the beta’s girl appears prettier, however that doesn’t change the fact that his body language is very weak for a man. If you want to act like a love sick beta pussy please do it in the privacy of your own home.

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  37. @alex

    Life is just a series of snap shots. You made the typical error of over contextualizing a principle. It is the affect of the photograph on us. It is a perfect photograph to visually depict the principle. What do we think of that snapshot? The photo shows the contrast of aesthetic appeal to both sexes.

    I suspect most people find the man in the foreground to be a dweeb while his attractive girl has a touch of late autumn frost. Both of them are under-performing in attractiveness. It does not look right.

    I suspect the opposite in the background where both sexes see something right. The man I have no doubt looks more attractive in posture and the woman is more seductive.

    So your comment is like saying a fruit in season may go out of season says nothing of the taste of a fruit in season.

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  38. Since I’ve started reading this blog, one of the most effective things I picked up was not leaning into the woman. I was amazed at how big of a difference something that small can make.

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  39. Laura
    Guys, dana is right,

    i find your views intriguing, and i’d like to subscribe to your newsletter

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  40. agree w/ silver fox. the “beta” does actually have the better looking woman…
    just sayin.

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  41. from this angle- the chick with the beta looks to be attractive.

    if he is beta- how did he pull such a looker?
    i guess he could have money, or a great job.

    girl with betaman has a stronger chin than he does.

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  42. Guy on the right just finished a twelve hour shift, guy on the left thinks he just saw an old schoolfriend. Girl on the right lost her phone today, girl on the left sees a penny on the ground.

    It’s a single moment in time. Literally any combination of events could be happening.

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  43. you’re probably getting a little tired of me always agreeing with you, but you do have some of the best comments on here

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  44. @ Silver Fox

    You are so full of shit. It’s impossible to make out exactly how hot the alpha’s girlfriend is based on this photo. You certainly can’t tell if she’s younger, and being blonder doesn’t make you automatically hotter than a brunette—even if they are the same level of physical attractiveness.

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  45. The picture indeed very nicely shows reversed roles. But I believe you are overinterpreting it based on your gender-model. I do not have significant doubts in your model’s general applicability, but the picture does not communicate if it is applicable in this particular case. The “Alphas” – male and female – both have a pretty neutral, distanced facial expression. As Bhetti says, nothing indicates if the alpha male is actually into his girl; same applies to the alpha female and her guy.

    Surely you are aware that not every single woman fits neatly into your framework, as I am aware you like to state generalizations to make a point, but some of your readers do not seem to get that and start to base their entire world-view on your writings, and as a result keep posting insufferable fanboi-comments. That is a bit annoying to me.

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  46. “Because every single one of my readers, except for the disingenuous liars, intuitively knew exactly which man was which without having it spelled out.”

    This is true, but it’s also your brain on superficial understnding of evolutionary psychology.

    Just because something is intuitive doesn’t mean it is driven by our DNA. And, in fact, many of the few DNA-dominated behaviors we have are the hardest to understand.

    But, you know, as long as we alphas and you retrained betas keep getting pussy, keep on rockin’ in the free world.

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  47. Laura sounds like a prole.

    Alex is right on this since there is no context.

    Supposed Beta’s girl seems hotter.

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  48. lena,
    I agree using the word “pussy” is pretty crass, but this guy is just asking for it. By the way, I remember you making some classless statements on here at one time.

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  49. on August 11, 2010 at 1:53 pm gunslingergregi

    You can do anything you want with a woman as long as your willing to pull her off the bed onto the floor by her ankle with one hand after you say the bed needs to be made up in the middle of the night and she says she just wants to lay there and sleep.

    Then she gives you a knowing smile. he he he

    Hey the bed was fucked sheets all off the matress and shit wasen’t comfortable.

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  50. maybe his fucking dad just died.

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  51. laura – you don’t get it. it wasnt the “pussy” remark.

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  52. What was it then? I’m curious.

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  53. Laura

    Guys, dana is right, this really isn’t rocket science. If I were to step on that ferry and see that scene my first thought would be about the guy with his head on his girlfriend’s shoulder, “What a dork. I bet she’s cheating on him.” The second man wouldn’t stand out as much, but he looks like a man that commands some respect and I would probably give it to him.

    Best comment on this thread so far by either gender.

    What the more alpha guy is doing isn’t so astoundingly alpha. He’s just not acting beta. The beta guy sure is though. And his girl does look ripe for being gamed into cheating. If I were on that ferry I’d see her as a real game target, should she say wander off to get some coffee.

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  54. on August 11, 2010 at 2:03 pm gunslingergregi

    I mean she probably was tired he he he

    but excuses are like assholes.

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  55. excellent shot. good use of B&W, it wouldn’t have worked in color.

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  56. @j r
    “”I’m with you on this. It goes to show “we want to see what we want to see”.

    Yes. And some of us choose to see the truth.”””

    truth is therefore subjective.

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  57. Yeah?

    Well maybe the girl with the “alpha” guy hasn’t been putting out, and the girl with the “beta” guy is getting on a jet plane in 4 hours for another part of the world and might not ever see him again, and he’s leaving her with a final romantic experience.

    What if I told you that before I showed you the picture. Then who would be alpha and who would beta?

    Hahahaha. Evpsych FTL again.

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  58. L–

    The real point isn’t to divine the absolute truth about these people, but to learn what the two guys are socially signally by their body language, and learn from that.

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  59. on August 11, 2010 at 2:12 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Make way for the Rationalizations Train, choo choo!,…

    It’s not the “what ifs” it’s the what IS.

    maybe his fucking dad just died.

    Maybe. Want to hear something even scarier? Maybe your initial impression that he is in fact a fetal beta is the correct perception and it hits a little too close to home, so your rationalized response is to create context suppositions? Maybe?

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  60. Silver Fox

    Beta’s Woman is dramatically hotter, younger, more feminine, higher cheekbones, & blonder than………

    Alpha’s mousy, plain, egg shaped head, avg. woman

    I noticed something along those lines too, though you’re way overstating it. The shadows and distance are such that it’s hard to make out the face of the girl with the alpha guy that well. It’s very hard to guess her age either. She doesn’t seem dramatically prettier though.

    The beta’s girl doesn’t look young relative to him – she maybe even looks a bit older. She also looks like she’s ready to leave him or cheat or already has. If I were on that ferry I’d consider her likely to being open to being gamed, though she really doesn’t attract me that much.

    The alphaish guy may be a natural that doesn’t know what he has or could have. I.e. good at keeping girls loyal but he may never have learned how to be great at pickup. He might also be on the higher beta/lesser alpha dividing line. I also suspect this photo wasn’t taken in the US. I’d guess a Baltic nation.

    Hottest girl in the shot is probably the one in the background just to the right of beta’s girl.

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  61. Any man, alpha or not, will look “beta” when sleeping, especially while attempting to remain in an upright position with nothing to lean on other than another person.

    Though I suppose Chateau could attempt to give lessons to train men to fall asleep and stay in “alpha” positions.

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  62. on August 11, 2010 at 2:17 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea even gunz gets shit tested and she knows that I know that she knows exactly what she is doing.

    Hence the knowing smile.

    he he he

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  63. Seran

    Good comment and one that others can learn from:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/08/11/alpha-male-vs-beta-male/#comment-196270

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  64. Now let’s interpret through the prism of employment :

    Sleeping man is a surgeon who doubled up on call this week, sleeping 8 hours over past four nights. His wife works 9-5 as a hospital administrator. Having regular hours, she had the time to arrange their ski trip.

    As a heavy equipment operator for highway construction, Alert Man has many winter months off. He will travel to Las Vegas with his sometimes-employed artist girlfriend; she is deeply indebted and dependent upon him.

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  65. Jeeze, the real life stories of the figures in the story are irrelevant. The important thing is the story the image tells, which is that the guy in the back gives off a whole different vibe than the guy in the front. The discussion is why is that, and what can you learn from that in terms of projecting that same vibe. How can that fact escape so manypeople? Maybe the couple in the back are brother and sister, and little sis is leaning on her big bro for emotional support because her boyfriend was mean to her. Whatever, it doesn’t matter one bit to the conversation.

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  66. ok now i know who cuddly cap’n toolbox reminds me of – a european cletus the slackjawed yokel

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  67. Does everyone here have Asberger’s? The right man is sleeping, the left one is awake, that’s all there is to most of this botched analysis. His head is on her shoulder because it’s resting there, his arm is tucked into hers so he won’t fall or wake up from instability, his jaw is slumped because he squeezes all the weight from his head on her shoulder, his back is bent and chest curled because it’s kind of hard to sleep chest out if you can’t lean backwards… Also, mr. beta is actually grabbing his girlfriend’s arm so her hand ends up in his crotch for comfort and stability, which is kind of direct and not very beta.

    The background man may be more of a jock than an alpha, even though his girl is clearly submissive to him. Many rougher simpler guys feel inadequate towards most other people, and they compensate by being extra dominant towards their girlfriends. Nothing wrong with that in itself of course, but when it’s born out of a feeling of inferiority, it’s really not the most convincing dominant behavior. Looking at him this might seem harsh though, he doesn’t really give a very strong cro-magnum wibe. And sleeping beta definitely looks more nerdish and weaker, but he might end up dominating the other guy with his talking when he opens his mouth. It’s not easy for joe jock to close a 20 IQ and 100K salary gap in a conversation. Not if he’s white, anyway.

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  68. @ POF

    A fair point—it is hard to maintain alpha body language while asleep on a ferry.

    Still, it can be done. Just lean back, stretch your legs out, put your chin into your chest, cross your arms, and pull your hat down over your eyes. Or not. Whatever you do, don’t lean into your girlfriend with your body while desperately pawing her with your hands.

    Sometimes it’s not about being alpha, just about not being beta.

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  69. Seran

    (comment in stupid moderation.)

    You comment is very good and others can learn from it.

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  70. @Dr. T
    Many rougher simpler guys feel inadequate towards most other people, and they compensate by being extra dominant towards their girlfriends. Nothing wrong with that in itself of course, but when it’s born out of a feeling of inferiority,

    Agree.

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  71. on August 11, 2010 at 2:30 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Or maybe, just maybe in our reptilian, evolutionarily adapted brains we see these postures as intrinsic balanced and imbalanced?

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/herb-attack/

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/visualizing-herb/

    What do all these postures have in common? Mayyyybee, people’s initial perception is in fact the correct one?

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  72. Since this is the latest blog post this will probably get the most views so I’ll ask for anyone’s opinion on the matter in here.

    I’m going on a day date with this cashier I’ve had some solid game with so far. She laughed at my jokes and asked me questions myself for the three times I’ve been to her line. I finally asked her number.

    Now I was wondering about day dates. If I go grab some quick bite or drinks with the girl, and there’s only a 4seat left, y’know, like this.

    [] | [x]
    [] | []

    With the brackets being the chars and the straight line being the table.

    Is it best to sit next to her in that case or in front of her? I would like your thoughts on this small detail.

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  73. Interesting the way the two guys hold their legs. Beta-boy squeezes his legs together, like he is a little ashamed of what God gave him. Alpha-man spreads his legs wide, let those bad boys breathe.

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  74. game.in.bk

    from this angle- the chick with the beta looks to be attractive.

    if he is beta- how did he pull such a looker?
    i guess he could have money, or a great job.

    girl with betaman has a stronger chin than he does.

    Girls often believe feminist and media misinformation about it being best to be with a sensitive, caring, supportive kind of guy too. The chances of her having met him at a bar or club or any other kind of competitive gaming environment are low. She might have been a real good girl wanting a strong loyal commitment for sure, before anything. Then they often feel dissatisfied after a while, the way that girl looks. They can often be swooped by alphas.

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  75. In any case, it’s CR’s positive and unapologetic view of masculinity that is most important. It’s a rarity to read anything like this in our feminist suffocated societies.

    The entertaining writing and insight reminded me about CR’s alleged book. I’m wondering what’s going on with that.

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  76. @vertigo,
    I’ve noticed that European couples seat themselves aside each other, and Americans sit across each other.

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  77. @anonymous

    I’m European. So, I guess sitting next to her would give off the best vibe.

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  78. the beta leaning into that woman is only half of the equation.

    if you want to (excuse his BodyL) play the guessing game, you can slightly excuse it by assuming he is incredibly tired, or that he just suffered a death in the family, perhaps he was just told he is suffering from cancer.

    but!

    none of these assumptions excuse the woman for looking away and acting indifferent and somewhat indignant.
    if she was into him (really into him!) – – She would be mirroring his body language, thus forgiving his beta BL- she isn’t.
    ergo- she isn’t into him, as much as he is into her.
    not good.

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  79. Dr. T: Maybe another part of game is taking methamphtamines or Provigil so you don’t fall asleep with your girl in public, thus Lowering your Demonstrated Value.

    *snicker*

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  80. Dragnet: Yes, leaning back on a foot tall back support would be a great idea, he’d be staring upside down right into the other guy’s balls. Maybe it could make him more alpha. “Whatever you do”? Geeky is doing the right thing. He’s using his GF as a sleep-furniture, because he wants to sleep. It’s the only practical way to take a nap there. You’re not seriously suggesting it would be more alpha to stay awake if you needed a nap so you could look more alpha to your GF? What are you then, a circus animal? If this guy is an alpha the fact that he looks like a beta sleeping is just going to amuse her, and if he has real authority it won’t put a dent in it.

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  81. As numerous posters, including myself, have already pointed out, context is everything. One could concoct thousands of scenarios to explain this snapshot. The topography of human behavior and emotional states is too complex and will not be accomodated by childishly simplistic theories.

    Tomassi:

    Could it be, in fact, that *you* feel threatened by the comment because it perforates your faux-“alpha” MO? Anyone who views the world through the rose-colored lenses of an “alpha/beta” dichotomy is an intellectually and emotionally empoverished individual.

    Your “beta” is shining through — who says “choo choo” besides a toddler anyway?

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  82. Laura: The comment about your 8 year old.

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  83. cpk

    troll

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  84. “digby

    Interesting the way the two guys hold their legs. Beta-boy squeezes his legs together, like he is a little ashamed of what God gave him. Alpha-man spreads his legs wide, let those bad boys breathe.”

    His legs are spread with the girl’s hand held in his crotch.

    Fail.

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  85. Off topic:

    http://www.examiner.com/x-27745-SF-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m8d8-Hummer-mom-Christine-Shreeve-Hubbs-in-court-Monday-rape-charges-for-alleged-sex-with-boys

    Vaguely attractive, but not really, 42-yr Mormon housewife married to a wealthy dentist charged with 67 counts(!) of sexual assault for fucking two 14-yr old boys.

    Will the husband stick by her and in so doing render himself a fit candidate for BOTM?

    Stay tuned…

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  86. “His legs are spread with the girl’s hand held in his crotch.

    Fail.”

    then, she has him by the balls!! lolzzlzlzlzlzlzllzolzlz

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  87. Please. If you want to get anal-retentive about it, his arm is above hers, holding it in place.

    what is “lolzzlzlzlzlzlzllzolzlz”? Are you on some kind of stimulant medication?

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  88. “Please. If you want to get anal-retentive about it, his arm is above hers, holding it in place. ”

    then, it was at the instant the pic was shot, he’s trying to keep it out… beta!!!

    “what is “lolzzlzlzlzlzlzllzolzlz”? Are you on some kind of stimulant medication?”‘

    as if I need one lozlzzlzlzlallaoozl

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  89. on August 11, 2010 at 3:01 pm conscious animal

    “beta” just seems to be sleeping to me. I suppose it’s more alpha to sleep on the hard wooden floor, but I would pick the girl’s shoulder. This should be welcomed as a temporary respite from your alpha behavior.

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  90. examiner article:

    Christine Shreeve Hubbs was well known and liked in her community. She was known as the “Hummer mom,” because she often gave neighborhood kids rides in her 2006 black Hummer.

    The fuck? bwa hahahaha. Double entendre overload.

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  91. @ sharpcool

    Sweet jesus some guy even started a blog in her honor:

    http://hummermom.blogspot.com/

    Glory be!

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  92. @dragnet

    They called MorMom an “All American Girl” LOL. That phrase has got to go.

    @Lena, what’s your beef w/ Laura? Can we really extrapolate from a few comments on a board whether someone is a “prole” or not.

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  93. Some implied “how do you sleep like an alpha”?

    http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzNmn1ZzksqRb7unmdmwtKyMrMK2pVWv2sdCS2fICGKVdglHM&t=1&usg=__-_IbHcMXmQup_WUggF0DaEielZU=

    Legs spread, head back etc. The opposite of fetal thumb sucker pos.

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  94. all this “what if” talk just plain misses the mark. the picture is instructive. either learn the lesson or don’t. if you choose not to, hoewever, please spare the rest of us your inane meanderings on what might have happened prior to that picture being taken.

    fact it, i regurlarly observe three types of couples: ones where the women is showing more affection than the man; ones where the man and woman are showing equal amounts of affection and ones where the man is showing more affection than the woman.

    without fail, the women in the latter category almost never look as attracted to them man as women in the first category. the middle one is a toss up, so it makes sense to er on the side of less affection. that’s it. end of lesson. go outside and chase skirts at recess.

    of course, if you’re like me you don’t have to try. i don’t go in much for PDAs.

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  95. Amazing picture.
    I read some responses (not all) and I agree that our body language says so much. We are always aware of others body language even if we don’t consciously realize it. Our body language sends a clear message about how we’re feeling- even if we don’t want to.

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  96. on August 11, 2010 at 3:18 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””dr. t
    It’s not easy for joe jock to close a 20 IQ and 100K salary gap in a conversation. Not if he’s white, anyway.
    ”””””

    well yea that is where this blog comes in handy in past I would just beat the dude up but now I can also verballly abuse and tear out soul of people yay.

    ””””’Many rougher simpler guys feel inadequate towards most other people, and they compensate by being extra dominant towards their girlfriends. Nothing wrong with that in itself of course, but when it’s born out of a feeling of inferiority, it’s really not the most convincing dominant behavior. ””””””””

    I think you can hurt someone with verbal abuse much worse than with physical.

    One just hurts the body and then usually a mutual respect.

    Verbal can hurt the soul and a lot of times nothing is gained for either party unless your intent is pure.

    Hey you wanna meet somewhere maybe I could convince you and you will feel better.

    But rougher is not necesarily simpler just more pure and good than just verbally putting people down and not building up.

    Kind of like woman use verbal to hurt each other and they tear each other up from the inside. Or they will verbally harpify a mans ass on a constant basis.
    While guys who use physical can just move the fuck on after or become friends.

    But the thing you learn as you get a little older is that the intelligent dude who can’t do physical is at a major disadvantage in life.

    Because any jock can get to break that 100k diferential just by working hard and saving money. No big deal but then he also has the physical aspect and can learn mental aspect while the intelligent only dude just flails about wondering why he is kissing his womans ass on a repedative basis.

    Or yea much easier to brainwash an intelligent guy into having no fun than an unintelligent guy.

    he he he

    Really I have always hung out with guys who were less intelligent than me but always had a lot of fun and didn’t feel the need to call them stupid at any time because they are human beings ya know.

    Plus they know more than me sometimes so it really sucks that they are less intelligent. he he he

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  97. Some of you people are nuts.

    Why are we inventing backstories for the people in this pic??? Do we really need their entire life story to make some pretty accurate inferences??

    I don’t care who died, who’s a surgeon working double shifts, who crapped themselves on the car ride to the ferry, ….. The guy on the right is a tool.

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  98. Clear messages indeed, I think one says he’s sleeping and the other says he’s awake and not a doormat.

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  99. what kind of man SLEEPS in public when he’s with his woman

    what if some shit starts going down?

    faggots

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  100. I get a big kick out of all the beta bitches hyperventilating over this photo. They scurry in a full on head panic as they realize they identify with the beta bitch who if he could would be the little spoon right there in public.

    but, but, but, but! maybe the beta is really the alpha, right guys? am I right? I’m right, right.

    Take a deep breath, unbunch your man panties and calm down.

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  101. No way you can judge relative attractiveness of the two gf’s from that pic…don’t be ridiculous.

    Why the hell are you all reading into it so much? Can’t it just be instructive for the sake of it? I got all I needed to see from the first look, and my gut reaction…the same one I get when I see dudes doing that on the metro. It’s a supplicating posture, regardless of context.

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  102. This post should have been closed to comments because the picture spoke for itself.

    The comments filling up so far remind me of 2 annoying camps in the movie theatre – the guy behind me who verbally repeats the on screen joke b/c he finds it hilarious, and the other guy who says ‘come on!’ when he doesn’t like the joke.

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  103. “well yea that is where this blog comes in handy in past I would just beat the dude up”

    Hmmmm. Sounds like you’re not a big talker, or you’ve beaten up a lot of people…

    “Because any jock can get to break that 100k diferential just by working hard and saving money.”

    Actually, that’s one of the things that set apart smarter and stupider people, people with higher IQs are much more likely to work hard over time and save money. And have better jobs, of course.

    “No big deal but then he also has the physical aspect and can learn mental aspect while the intelligent only dude just flails about wondering why he is kissing his womans ass on a repedative basis.”

    That’s not very intelligent, is it?

    “Or yea much easier to brainwash an intelligent guy into having no fun than an unintelligent guy.”

    You’re probably right.

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  104. Duh, sleeping when you should be watchful and alert is definitely beta. Protect the herd, alpha man.

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  105. on August 11, 2010 at 3:44 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””on August 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm Vertigo
    Since this is the latest blog post this will probably get the most views so I’ll ask for anyone’s opinion on the matter in here.

    I’m going on a day date with this cashier I’ve had some solid game with so far. She laughed at my jokes and asked me questions myself for the three times I’ve been to her line. I finally asked her number.

    Now I was wondering about day dates. If I go grab some quick bite or drinks with the girl, and there’s only a 4seat left, y’know, like this.

    [] | [x]
    [] | []

    With the brackets being the chars and the straight line being the table.

    Is it best to sit next to her in that case or in front of her? I would like your thoughts on this small detail.

    ””””””””’

    Sit next to her so you can touch her and get physical at the table. You can also eat some of her shit if it looks tasty or have her feed you.

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  106. Pleeeease, beta, alpha –you guys are alll male, right? and any human being can sleep wherever they like, that doesn’t make you less male.

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  107. Dana are you male or female?
    You talk like a construction worker.

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  108. i am female

    and fuck you

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  109. Alpha dude look like he is gaming the two chicks by the window. Just by his body language he has probably exchanged glances with one or both of them. Seems he has his girl feeling quite insecure.

    The beta is absolutely ridiculous…who the hell sleeps in a public place like that? You better have your wits about you in a public area, although the scene looks pretty SWPL. he kinda looks stylish too, shame.

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  110. on August 11, 2010 at 4:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””Dr. T
    “well yea that is where this blog comes in handy in past I would just beat the dude up”

    Hmmmm. Sounds like you’re not a big talker, or you’ve beaten up a lot of people…”””””’

    Yea I never got into trying to bitch talk back and forth I get physical. But yea sometimes you have to learn how to tear out the soul mentally so as to fit into adult life I suppose because of people like you.

    ”””””””””’“Because any jock can get to break that 100k diferential just by working hard and saving money.”

    Actually, that’s one of the things that set apart smarter and stupider people, people with higher IQs are much more likely to work hard over time and save money. And have better jobs, of course.””””””””

    But the stupid guy doesn’t need the money and better job to be happy the intelligent guy does. The stupid dude is happy now the intelligent guy needs to work at being happy and maybe never is lol
    Or why do you feel the need to put down the stupid jock?
    he he he

    ”””””’“No big deal but then he also has the physical aspect and can learn mental aspect while the intelligent only dude just flails about wondering why he is kissing his womans ass on a repedative basis.”

    That’s not very intelligent, is it?””””””

    Goes with the brainwashing aspect.

    ”””””’“Or yea much easier to brainwash an intelligent guy into having no fun than an unintelligent guy.”

    You’re probably right.”””””””’

    My dads a certified genious. But yea not having any fun.

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  111. dana:

    Classy!

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  112. alexandra

    go shame the fag whos balls you are keeping in your purse

    you aren’t fucking me or feeding me, i wouldn’t care if your severed head was on a pike

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  113. alpha-shmalpha. beta-shmeta. I’d rather be the guy who won 80 grand for taking a quite ordinary photo.

    (er, I mean 80,000 fiat dollars llozzllllzz)

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  114. My eight year old son figured it out right away.

    The wisest commenters here noticed that the beta´s GF is hotter than the alpha´s. All this stuff is pure overanalyzation.

    In related news, given that any normal man will eventually lay his head in his GF´s shoulder and then wake up to find her angry without any reason, we have a clear example of how superfluous women are.

    Whetever they are taking that boat to, the “beta´s” trip will start badly as his GF will bitch for some time without any better reason than the fact that her BF slept on her shoulder

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  115. I love the exchange between Alex and Dana….it’s entertainment! lol!!!!

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  116. on August 11, 2010 at 4:32 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””on August 11, 2010 at 2:45 pm Alex
    “digby

    Interesting the way the two guys hold their legs. Beta-boy squeezes his legs together, like he is a little ashamed of what God gave him. Alpha-man spreads his legs wide, let those bad boys breathe.”

    His legs are spread with the girl’s hand held in his crotch.

    Fail.

    ””””

    I can’t see picture but whaaa

    My woman always got her hand in my crotch he he he
    She would probably give her life to protect that bad boy he he he

    She reaches for my dick even while sleeping just to make sure it is still there to comfort her he he he

    Ok I got to look at pic.

    lol gig probably right.

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  117. Gomen: No, I’m seeing a much more definite rejection in the female’s posture. She’s back straight, rigidly held, resigned, turned away. Mr.Alpha could be relaxed or indifferent, the slight hunch and his head turned towards his girl. It’s not rejection nor affection.

    I’m saying the very idea of the alpha male is that he isn’t necessarily a stable, sure thing.

    sharpcool: we’re both projecting perhaps. Our projections should battle it out.

    That would be an awesome concept for the sequel to Inception.

    If Batman and Superman’s subconscious duked it out, who would win?

    dana: So you’re not being girly to avoid being inappropriate with men, in deference to your husband.

    Do you cover yourself completely when you leave the home?

    It’s the same principle.

    I don’t think you do, though. Either you’ve not thought of it. Or it’s not really deference for your husband alone.

    It’s more something else. It’s that, really, there’s an aspect of you that doesn’t have an outlet with the life you currently live.

    Which is perfectly fine.

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  118. This hummer 42 year old mom apparently had a year and a half long sex affair with one 14yo and a six month long one with another, at the same time. The first boy was an ex boyfriend of her daughter’s. She and her dentist husband have three kids. Imagine what the kids and father are going through. (She is pretty hot for her age though.)

    If I were him I’d file for divorce right now. Her chances of getting custody are about zilch, one of the few times that happens. Same I’d think with alimony, even in California. The public outcry would be too great if he made noises and threaten the whole system. Of course he’s probably a beta pussy boy.

    She was doing all this as a stay a home lazy mom with all her kids in school. If they have a hummer she likely has a housekeeper help her as well. And she’s doing all this in the hummer her husband bought her, giving them money and loaning them credit cards, all from him. Infuriating. Trade her in for a younger model and part with as little money in the process as possible. Revenge.

    She should be stripped of all assets from him as much as possible. By filing now he’d probably be able to get her attorney’s fees taken out of any property settlement the damn family court still makes him pay. Same thing for the vig that bail bondsmen would want for that over in 4 million bail money. Personally I’d refuse to pay it and let her sit in jail. Don’t think family court can or anyway would order him to come up with bail money, or the vig for bail bondsmen, esp. with this much involved.

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  119. Alex–

    Man or woman, either way you’re an annoying little bitch.

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  120. “It’s just a picture — a single moment in time. Maybe someone died the day before and your so-called “beta” is *gasp* actually able to display some emotion instead of posing like a chimp. You can’t draw such conclusions from a snapshot.”

    @Alex,

    You’re fucking right. Genius!

    I’m sure RFK also laid his head on Marilyn Monroe’s shoulder and lazily slept on her when he found out JFK got killed.

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  121. on August 11, 2010 at 5:03 pm gunslingergregi

    Dude on left ok alpha but chick afraid to touch him but ok chin on shoulder cute.

    One on right chick is in love with his dick maybe or dude pulled her arm in to warm his nuts.

    prettier chick?

    Chick on right hard face older chick on left soft face younger.

    Chick on left could be almost asian thats hot.

    Chick on right definetly not giving fuck about dude or she is in watch mode to wake him up if danger approaches.

    I only fall asleep in places where it is safe. That isn’t one of those places.

    But perfect scenerio would be both bitches sucking my cock while I lounged in seat.

    Looks like neither of the couples love each other.

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  122. bhetti–i dont cover myself completely but i dress modestly, put up my hair and he has veto power over my appearance at all times. full coverage has never been the western form of modesty outside the abbey, so don’t put your primitive, scummy culture’s mores on me.

    when i first cropped up here i received unseemly male attention and i specifically asked everyone to talk to me like i was a man–and everyone has obliged except for the women, of course. it always just seems to amaze women that a woman could talk on the internet without wanting to flirt with and cyber everything in sight

    my husband loves when i talk like this–at the tv, at people on the phone, at others–just not at HIM. i read him the stuff i write and he cracks up.

    trust me, if men didn’t want to fuck women this is how men would talk to them all the time…you know,when they weren’t hunting them and killing them, i know how they feel. you’ll find out when sexbots and tactile 3d porn make you redundant–ill probably be dead by then lol

    there is the aspect of my life thats missing, *weeps* you’ve got me pegged

    i feel so unfulfilled *sigh*

    if only…

    if only i could walk up to shvugs, leftards and dumb broads in real life and tell them what i really think without consequences like i can on the internet

    but i know women–always reading what you don’t type, always pop psychologizing, always searching for the least elegant, most self congratulatory explanation for other peoples behavior. good job

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  123. @ Doug1

    “If I were him I’d file for divorce right now. Her chances of getting custody are about zilch, one of the few times that happens. Same I’d think with alimony, even in California…By filing now he’d probably be able to get her attorney’s fees taken out of any property settlement the damn family court still makes him pay. Same thing for the vig that bail bondsmen would want for that over in 4 million bail money. Personally I’d refuse to pay it and let her sit in jail. Don’t think family court can or anyway would order him to come up with bail money, or the vig for bail bondsmen, esp. with this much involved.”

    Exactly. Now is the time to strike—he is perfectly positioned to extricate himself from his marriage to this depraved whore. He has the moral high ground, public sympathy, and can plausibly make the case that the bitch’s continued involvement with his children is a threat to their safety. He might even be able to use the bail money as leverage to force his wife to sign a quick dissolution of the union. The point is that all options should be on the table at this juncture, and he should be ready to deal the decisive blow and soon…

    …which he won’t be because I can guaran-damn-tee you that he’s a beta chump. He has, at this fingertips, the power to emerge from a divorce relatively unscathed in California while sparking a national discussion about the ridiculous pro-female bias of divorce and family courts…and will probably just opt to “stand by her side” and be made a fool of when she uses the pussy pass to get off with probation only to divorce the chump, take his house, children, money and run-off to ride more jailbait. Only in America.

    My one hope is guys see this and seriously re-evaluate what they think their women are capable of. Too many guys think “No way—not my Susie!” oblivious to the fact that his son is actually the next door neighbor’s. Women have been sending us men a message for a long time…it’s time we heard it.

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  124. I had my son’s friend over, a cute 8 year old girl, and I asked her the same question I asked my son. She immediately (even more quickly than my son) pointed to the man in the back as the cooler one. Her father is a policeman and I guarantee she has never seen him put his head on her mother’s shoulder in a public place.

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  125. on August 11, 2010 at 5:27 pm Pteradactyl Guano

    Beta’s girl is hotter — true but that does not change the analysis.

    It partly explains why he is clingy. He knows he lucked out, he knows he is hosed, he does not know what to do, and he is doing the opposite of what would possibly have worked, but won’t work now. It’s too late. She’s gone. The eyes on her: pure death.

    The brute simplicity of something like body posture. It can absolutely be taught.

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  126. on August 11, 2010 at 5:28 pm The Rational Male

    Doug1-

    “What the more alpha guy is doing isn’t so astoundingly alpha. He’s just not acting beta.”

    You touched on a very, very important point.

    As much as I dislike bastardizing the terms “alpha” and “beta” by using them to distinguish between guys who get laid and guys who don’t, it is important to note that the “alpha” behavior is often not really behavior at all, but a LACK of feminine behavior.

    When you see a snapshot such as this it is easy to see that the so called alpha guy is only alpha in comparison to the behavior of the other guy.

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  127. on August 11, 2010 at 5:32 pm The Rational Male

    Also….what is the consensus on cuddling?

    The chick I am seeing can’t get enough of it. I don’t mind physical contact, but I need my cool space when I sleep.

    She complains that I don’t give her enough. Supposedly other guys in the past were all over it. Not sure if I buy that….

    I say cuddling should be used as a commodity just like anything else that a woman desires. She gets a little cuddle time if she’s a good girl. Use it sparingly so she always craves it and values it when she gets it.

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  128. on August 11, 2010 at 5:44 pm The Rational Male

    It’s quite entertaining to see people getting their panties in a bunch over this picture.

    It’s not a fucking ink blot. We can make some pretty accurate generalizations about these people from this one little snapshot. People judge you based upon a glance every day of the week. Get over it.

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  129. The Rational Male

    Also….what is the consensus on cuddling?

    We did cuddling in some detail back and forth in another thread. I think the one where Roissy advocates often leaving after sex or kicking the girl out, when it’s first or early days sex.

    What I said and I think the alpha and regular girls consensus was that you should give a girl you’re in a relationship with cuddling, but also you should leave her a little hungry for it. You should never want it more than her, or only as the greatest exception after some blow.

    When she yearns for cuddling from you and you give her a good bit of it, but generally not quite as much as she’d like, it’s all good.

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  130. Not speaking in an overtly “feminine” fashion does not by default equal cursing and acting like an aggressive, beer-swilling male. Honestly it’s disgusting and any man that says he finds such behavior attractive is lying. Deep down men find that kind of behavior absolutely repulsive.

    Anger is not sexy on a woman. Ever. Especially simulated angry, disgruntled imitation-male anger.

    It just shows low class and lack of proper upbringing, as does insulting someone’s culture.

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  131. I would say for about 5 minutes after love making talk to her and cuddle with her. After that either push her away and fall asleep or get up and leave. It’s better to leave her wanting more.

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  132. This thread is a LOLLERCAUST.

    OK, say you’re a PUA in this place. Whose your target, and why? What’s your opener, what’s your plan?

    *grabs popcorn*

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  133. lol @women

    always so much of substance to add

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  134. Self-hatred is an ugly thing.

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  135. alex

    here look your whole act up and see how canned its coming off:

    http://www.dumpyourwifenow.com/2007/03/01/the-anti-male-shaming-tactics-catalog/

    i suggest you next say “wow”, “sad” “bitter” and “get a life”

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  136. on August 11, 2010 at 6:11 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Alex
    Self-hatred is an ugly thing.
    ””””
    It is prettier than self love based on lies.

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  137. alex

    don’t bother with laura or dana, both of them are touched in the head.

    dana thinks she has something over other women because she throws out a few ‘fucks’ every now and then. she’s probably the most solipsistic female of the board, demanding men see her as equal and trampling over every female. did you see what she just said to bhetti, who only mildly criticized her ‘taking the femininity out of her writing’ as not necessarily an act of deference to her husband.

    ‘don’t put your primitive culture’s scummy mores on MY entitled ass!!!’

    also she seems to think she received undue attention here because she was female…when she in fact received it for the same reason that every other commenter receives undue attention. because she was here.

    laura is an assbackwards white nationalism toting redneck who likes to lick the feet of every man on the board.

    as for the actual post, i think it’s a good overview of beta/alpha, but it’s extrapolating a bit too much on a picture. if you don’t think this is the case, answer this question:

    really, where is alpha’s girl’s left arm?

    uh, yeah.

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  138. Oh, yeah, I forgot the SECRET HANDJOB ANGLE.

    Thanks for the tip, Mark.

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  139. on August 11, 2010 at 6:21 pm (R)Evolutionary

    Alex is obviously new here. I’m betting it’s a she, based on the presence of shaming language. She hasn’t properly identified the GMFM schtick (Lozlzlzllzlzlzlzl) to which we’ve all become accustomed.

    Paging GBFM, where are ya buddy?

    @cpk–not enough context in the picture to determine a plan of action or target. From a pic, it’s like walking by a coffee shop, looking in the window, and making a plan from there. I’d at least go in, get a cup of tea, and survey the landscape. A warrior always knows the field of battle in advance before entering the fray.

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  140. @mark:

    I see. Many would call such behavior “typical female”: yearning for attention and trying to get the men to notice her above all other females around. Although this one does it with a somewhat clever twist (acting like a man); essentially, the motivation stems from a necessity for external validation.

    Women that demand that men see them as equals — sounds familiar, no?

    With respect to your question, did you mean the girl in the foreground or background? The “alpha/beta” religion the people on this board bows down to is a tad too ridiculous for my taste.

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  141. All and all, a very instructive picture. Thanks, Roissy.

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  142. Accusing someone of using “shaming language” is itself a “shaming tactic.”

    I’m not impressed.

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  143. I wouldn’t say I’m a white nationalist since we already have many American citizens who are not white. It’s a little late for that.

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  144. mark,
    What’s the deal? Nothing dana or I have said here should be particularly offensive to a man. I don’t get it.

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  145. alex

    it’s very typically female behavior. the twist is not unique, either; it’s very similar to how tomboyish girls play in real life. the difference is that dana takes it a step too far, and she’s just crass and quick to fly off the handle. if anyone reads her new blog at all, you’ll quickly see that she sounds exactly like an older commenter here — wendy schwartz.

    as for the question.

    citizen renegade says (speaking with regards to the couple in the back):

    “Her left breast presses into his back and her left arm wraps around him.”

    obviously nobody can see this happening in the picture, because you can’t even see her arm.

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  146. Omega Male has already been dumped:

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  147. on August 11, 2010 at 6:49 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Alex: Touche. But there’s no need to be impressed, either

    Your earlier comment contending intellectual & emotional impoverisation of those viewing the world through the “alpha/beta dichotomy” clearly indicates your rejection of the basic premise, and further implies a strong value judgement on those that do.

    The alpha/beta is a natural line of distinction drawn in many mammalian species based on social order. While nature itself may make no such crisp and iron-clad distinctions, upon studying animal behavior, including human, one would find clear, though contextually fluid, distinctions in behavior, posture, and even physiological markers such as serotonin and testosterone levels, individuating members of a pack, troup, or tribe, based on social dominance.

    The alpha/beta/omega distinction is a crude formula, but represents an easy linguistic handle with which to analyze and understand behavior patterns. Without the basic memes, discussing and deconstructing cultural values becomes cumbersome.

    Your disdain for the alpha/beta/omega memes show that it offends your sensibilities. Why is that?

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  148. What if the alpha’s dad just fucking died?

    It’s clear people. Give it up. Ringo Starr in the front went all cuddly wuddly. And it looks fucking stupid. You all suck.

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  149. @Mark:

    Good point about tomboys.

    Citizen Renegade is seeing what he wants to see I suppose — it’s definitely not clear where her arm is.

    Her head looks like it could be on his shoulder, but that might just be perspective.

    Either way, it doesn’t matter. Any attempt to extrapolate relationship dynamics from this picture is more a reflection of the psychological terrain of the viewer than anything else.

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  150. laura

    yeah nothing you say here ‘should’ be offensive to a man, because you engineer it exactly so that it isn’t. you’re quick to jump on the ‘man’ side of things. an example i remember is the way you view husbands cheating on wives.

    i’m no one-woman man, but if i make a promise i will damn well keep it. and contrary to what some of the posters on here believe, ‘cheating’ implies a broken promise.

    the fact that you would expect a man to cheat on his wife shows that you’re either engineering your responses to appeal to hte men here, or you’re a spineless loser with nothing better to offer.

    while i agree with doug’s position that male cheating is better than female cheating, any female who willingly submits to male cheating is either hiding something or has zero self-esteem, end of story. any quality girl will vigorously object to cheating, though that does not mean you can’t cheat on her.

    your asinine groveling and the way you crawl up and offer yourself to men you’ve never even met is pathetic.

    as for the white nationalism, it’s great that you think that you personally have let in every non-white american citizen. and i thought dana was solipsistic.

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  151. mark

    out of curiosity

    wouldn’t you say that viewing things almost entirely from the “other’s” perspective would be the opposite of solipsism?

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  152. on August 11, 2010 at 6:59 pm The Rational Male

    mark-

    “while i agree with doug’s position that male cheating is better than female cheating, any female who willingly submits to male cheating is either hiding something or has zero self-esteem, end of story. any quality girl will vigorously object to cheating,…….”

    Women are wired to accept discrete infidelity from a high value male.

    Yes, even so called “quality” women.

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  153. mark–

    laura is an assbackwards white nationalism toting redneck who likes to lick the feet of every man on the board.

    Piss off you asshat beta boy PC leftist. She’s no such thing.

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  154. @(R)Evolutionary:

    The dichotomy does not offend me personally. I don’t disagree that such behavioral structures exist in the animal kingdom. They are more simplistic creatures than we are.

    I don’t think men should overthink the “alpha/beta” principle with respect to their own personality traits and actions.

    From what little I’ve seen on this blog, Citizen Renegade and others are consumed with it and what behaviors constitute “alpha” or “beta.” Basically, engaging in forced behaviors like running out the door after sex to maintain a certain “alpha” image.

    Certainly there are tendencies but no person is one or the other. It seems to me that someone incessantly overanalyzing and altering his behavior to fit a self-imposed ideal will end up becoming consumed by such thoughts, which will inevitably bring upon tension and self-doubt, i.e. he will cease to behave naturally. Girls sense unnatural and forced behavior immediately.

    Re: “memes”: The idea that everything, including culture and ideas, is reducible to genetics and modes of genetic propagation is itself a “meme”.

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  155. Mark–

    as for the white nationalism, it’s great that you think that you personally have let in every non-white american citizen. and i thought dana was solipsistic.

    God you’re an idiot.

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  156. the rational male

    wired, yes. encouraging, no.

    doug

    “Piss off you asshat beta boy PC leftist.”

    to quote the girls of the board “shaming language shaming language!!!!!!!”

    come up with an argument (i’m not even asking for original or coherent) and then we can talk.

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  157. dana

    in theory, yes. in yours/laura’s case, no. were you two actually viewing things from others’ perspectives, rather than vomiting forth what you think people will like, then yes.

    instead, you succumb to the most female of traits: trying to be liked by whom you perceive will raise your status.

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  158. Mark, I agree. I read this page every now and again. I think it’s entertaining and quite interesting, but I find the female commentors who so obviously seek validation from the men pathetic. Dana must be the least feminine excuse for a woman – even if she is trying to remove all femininity and human warmth from her personality when she comments. Doing that shouldn’t be as easy to a woman with any desirable amount of femininity as it seems to be for her.

    Also, Dana and Laura, don’t you both have children? Given the amount you comment here it seems like you devote enough time to this blog to not only read the posts, but the comment section as well. Then you both feel a need to comment constantly. How much of your time do you spend here?!?!? Finally, I think it’s pathetic that you’re always trying to separate yourselves, trying tp prove to the male commentors that you’re better than the women they talk about here. How pathetic. You’re both basically cheating on your husbands through the behavior you display here.

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  159. mark

    ah

    there you are just wrong

    i have thought like this for at least 20 years–in college i loved camille paglia and katie roiphe and wrote letters to the editor insisting there was no such thing as date rape

    but think what you will and thanks for answering

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  160. the rational male

    also, women are wired to accept an alpha playing, not an alpha cheating. as i said before, cheating implies a broken promise. any woman worth her salt will encourage broken promises or emotional affairs.

    if a guy has a harem and no ties, though, that’s another story.

    e-harems don’t count.

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  161. mark,
    I don’t think I ever encouraged marital infidelity. I also agree wholeheartedly with dana that when there is widespread acceptance of male infidelity, there is going to be a big increase in female infidelity. Women seem to think they can do everything men do nowadays. I wasn’t condoning it, I can just understand how it happens. I’m not sure how I personally would handle it.

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  162. dana

    thanks for qualifying. keep it up.

    selflessness rarely exists in humans, let alone women, so forgive me if i call bullshit on your 100 percent non-solipsistic lifestyle.

    honestly though, at least you aren’t stupid. laura’s iq must be in the 80s range.

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  163. @the rational male comment
    *will not

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  164. laura,

    okay. perhaps i was mistaken. i believe i remember you saying something about how all alpha men should be expected to cheat, but i don’t care enough to go find the comment.

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  165. Re: serotonin and testosterone levels

    I’m assuming (R)evolutionary is saying that higher serum levels of both these hormones translate into behavioral/social dominance. Correct me if I’m mistaken.

    Things aren’t that cut and dry in humans. Perhaps not even in animals.

    Lower levels of serotonin are implicated in psychiatric disorders like depression and anxiety disorder. Interestingly, mania is sometimes associated with a higher than normal level of serotonin. These however have not been conclusively proven. Only attempts at an association have been made, and in some cases, such an association does not exist. Correlation does not equal causation.

    Assuming for simplicity’s sake that low serotonin = depression, I can see how many here might make the claim that low serotonin = depression = lack of “alpha” characteristics.

    However, many famous and powerful people have been depressed and some highly functioning people can function in depressive states. Would they be any less “alpha” for being depressed?

    In a similar vein, testosterone is implicated in aggressive behavior and “manliness.” While a certain level of testosterone is requisite for normal male functioning, higher than normal levels are detrimental.

    Anabolic steroid users develop gynecomastia and their testicles shrink. Not particularly sexy. High testosterone levels are implicated in male pattern baldness.

    Hormones are fascinatingly complex and it’s nearly impossible at this juncture to reduce human behavior patterns to hormonal levels aside from a few extreme examples.

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  166. mark–

    come up with an argument (i’m not even asking for original or coherent) and then we can talk.

    Your sole “contributions” to this board have been to attack various well respected commenters here for inaccurate things and wildly poor judgment of where they’re coming from.

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  167. doug

    sorry, is it inaccurate to say you think you’re semi-polygamous because you have a girlfriend and a fling (by definition not polygamy), and that you, a self-proclaimed ‘alpha’ male believe your ‘alpha’ status is bolstered by a fake internet relationship?

    or to say that you routinely attack commenters who have coherent arguments with emotional outbursts and name-calling? myself not included, of course.

    really, though, don’t get your panties in a bunch. it’s just the internet.

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  169. @mark
    “laura’s iq must be in the 80s range.”

    Yeah, but I’m pretty, so who cares?

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  170. laura

    nobody. so shut the fuck up.

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  171. Mark–

    or to say that you routinely attack commenters who have coherent arguments with emotional outbursts and name-calling?

    Hogwash.

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  172. pupu does not see much problem with the body language of the beta and his girlfriend. he is tired, she offers him a shoulder to lie on. no big deal. they look comfortable with each oher. it would be totally weird and creepy if she looks at him like a nursing mother looking at a baby in her bosom. what could a guy to do when he is dead tired? sleeping like a beta is more comfy than leaning his head back, opening his mouth, and snoring his head off.

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  173. Mark–

    Why exactly are you here?

    So what do you think the husband of the woman who’s been indicted for having sex with two 14 yo boys, one her daughter’s ex boyfriend, should do?

    Dragnet linked the story in an OT (to this post but not to this blog) comment above, and I gave my detailed answer to my question to you above.

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  174. “Things aren’t that cut and dry in humans. Perhaps not even in animals.”

    Yeah, they pretty much are. It’s just not PC to say so these days.

    While change is possible you have to work a lot harder than the guy naturally blessed with the right levels of chemicals. We all know this to be true because we observe it every day.

    But we live in the times of pretty lies, so everything is not “black and white”, “cut and dried”, “generalized”, etc.

    Lies, the lot of it.

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  175. doug

    i’m here to keep it real. particularly easy to do when half of you guys think the internet = real life.

    as for your question, i think he should file for divorce right quick. he will no doubt get custody of the children. and no he should not have to pay any alimony. and yes she should go t jail.

    i gather from your accusatory internet-tone that you thought i was going to side with the hot milf. a good example of how you jump to emotionally-fueled conclusions, instead of looking at the words that are in front of your face.

    for someone who takes internet relationships seriously, i’d expect you to put more effort into understanding the written word.

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  176. “Any man, alpha or not, will look “beta” when sleeping, especially while attempting to remain in an upright position with nothing to lean on other than another person.

    Though I suppose Chateau could attempt to give lessons to train men to fall asleep and stay in “alpha” positions.”

    I’ve been noticing that on my two brothers. The alpha one sleeps with his belly to the top (or to bottom sometimes), legs and arms a bit spreaded in a unworried stance. My beta brother sleeps in the fetal position. Also, the alpha one seems to use less blankets and comforters.

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  177. Mark–

    To be clear, I think she should get nothing from him.

    Including, after he files for divorce, any obligation on his part to fund her criminal or divorce lawyer.

    I don’t predict that’s what will happen in California but that’s what I think should be.

    Of course I think the same thing should obtain minus the jail threat if they were two 19 year olds.

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  178. doug

    i agree that she should get nothing from him.

    however i do not agree with you that the same thing should happen (minus the jail threat) if they were not minors. for one thing, i think that then custody should be divided, instead of entirely the father’s.

    were it the other way around (man cheating on wife with two 19 year olds) i would support the same decision (he gets nothing from her, but divided custody).

    before you jump down my throat about feminism please read the part where i said ‘he gets nothing from her’ not ‘she gets half of what’s his’

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  179. Life is so much more interesting when things, people, animals are not “cut and dry”. Life is more exciting that way. Let’s look at this more positively. hehe!!

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  180. Doug, from where I stand Mark is right, about avoiding the hard questions by crying feminist, feminist, feminist the way that the boy cried wolf in the old story.
    In fact, I remember a thread where I asked you two questions, 1) Do you still feel the same way about male entitlement to cheating/playing around when they have a woman with small children at home?, and, 2) What are the limits on your woman’s “veto powers?” And all you had in exchange for me was, “Waaaaaaaa you feminist horrible feminist why are you a control freak you should be more of a woman.” By which I assume you mean I should be a doormat and only ask easy questions that have easy answers. Y’know one thing about true alpha males, is that they don’t mind, or even enjoy, handling challenges. You on the other hand just shriek bloody feminist murder and go into a tailspin as soon as someone questions your little world.

    In fact I suspect this is the real reason why you decided not to have any kids, because God forbid you might be challenged by them and it’s not O.K. for a father to fly into a bipolar emotional rage at every little supposed insult!

    And I think we should note that the whole idea of prosecuting the Hummer Mom with the same kind of sentence that we’d give to a Hummer Dad, is, well, ultimately a feminist idea, no?

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  181. Poetry “Though I suppose Chateau could attempt to give lessons to train men to fall asleep and stay in “alpha” positions.”

    In such situations I lay my head down on the woman’s thighs.

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  182. I’ve been in public with a woman when I was tired, when my dad actually did die, and a number of other circumstances but I never displayed the behavior of sleep dude. I don’t hold a fucking purse when asked to either.

    I was raised that men should act and carry themselves like men, especially in public. If there are men who think it acceptable to use their SO as a pillow when out then super. They won’t notice when i hand their girl my card.

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  183. L

    “It’s a single moment in time. Literally any combination of events could be happening.”

    Imagine you are a Mugger / Robber / Hostage tacker in this single moment in time…..

    Which couple do you target?

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  184. @Hitman
    “I’ve been in public with a woman when I was tired, when my dad actually did die, and a number of other circumstances but I never displayed the behavior of sleep dude. I don’t hold a fucking purse when asked to either.”

    Even if you did all the above, it does not make you less a man. Maybe the purse thing might be kind of weird.. Hey, to each his own.

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  185. mark–

    however i do not agree with you that the same thing should happen (minus the jail threat) if they were not minors. for one thing, i think that then custody should be divided, instead of entirely the father’s.

    were it the other way around (man cheating on wife with two 19 year olds) i would support the same decision (he gets nothing from her, but divided custody).

    Ok, I agree.

    So long as the joint custody doesn’t involve any payment by him to her. It certainly does under so called joint custody these feminist days.

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  186. Audrey–

    1) Do you still feel the same way about male entitlement to cheating/playing around when they have a woman with small children at home?, and, 2) What are the limits on your woman’s “veto powers?” And all you had in exchange for me was, “Waaaaaaaa you feminist horrible feminist why are you a control freak you should be more of a woman.”

    Why do you keep lying? I didn’t answer you at all on those questions. I ignored you.

    Further I didn’t do so because you were being very obnoxious to me. I’ve got no problem with answering them. I had a problem with answering them to you.

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  187. doug

    “I had a problem with answering them to you.”

    i think esteri asked you to answer these questions on the same thread and you ignored her as well.

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  188. @Vertigo

    On early get-togethers, I go out of my way to sit next to the girl rather than across from her, even to the extent of choosing cafes and restaurants where I know I’ll be able to arrange us side by side. It makes it much easier to touch her and get in her personal space. And it’s pretty tough to kiss a girl for the first time from across a table. (I’m a believer in going for a kiss early, NOT at the end of a date.)

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  189. GBFM blogs? I believe humanity is complete now.

    His vast knowledge is worth ten billion federal reserve notes. Or one genuine gold coin (not Fiat Gold Larry Summers: read the dissertation).

    You pick.

    How about a rant on Summers and Eastern Europe, given the interest given on this blog to that region?

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  190. Nice post, Roissy.

    One thing to add: Which one of these guys has more money? Based on their clothing, it’s almost certainly the beta.

    Also: Which girlfriend is more expensive to please? Based again on their clothing, I’m going to put my wager on the beta’s girlfriend.

    But it does not matter. Money is always secondary (or tertiary or whatever… but not primary).

    Finally, I disagree with those who say the blonde is hotter. It’s pretty hard to tell from this photo, but I’d say it’s the brunette. She looks like she could have a sweet, bookish Liv Tyler thing going on. In any case, while there’s a debate to be had about who the hotter girl is, there is no debate about which guy is more alpha.

    I find it amusing that among the haters, some people try to invent excuses for why the beta is clinging so; but I don’t hear a single woman saying she wishes her man would attach to her shoulder like a baby suckerfish, the way this chump does.

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  191. http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=638161328

    Alpha vs Beta in even starker contrast than in this photo.

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  192. Doug, “Further I didn’t do so because you were being very obnoxious to me.”
    –> Hahaha that’s rich, in fact considering on that thread you told me the exact opposite.
    Namely you said, “And still are trying to find an angle of intensity, though at lower intensity.” –> In other words I was specifically not being obnoxious with you, but you were so overwhelmed by your first impression of me (God knows why) that you were digging in your heels like a little girl who doesn’t want to go to school because she has a zit.

    But if you’re going to interpret everything left and right as obnoxious then, fine, might as well let it rip, you really are a little bitch. Everything is personal with you. You can’t handle it, gasp, a female who actually asks objective questions and wants an answer!
    Or if not a little bitch, maybe a little cunt container? (Cunt is hot, but, dear lord, for the woman’s sake I really hope you didn’t actually say container.) Lol

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  193. @Mark,

    Lots of women think the way Dana and Laura do. Many never speak up. Many are not proles. Many men and women just dismiss them. False Consciousness, donchaknow?

    The picture doesn’t need to be an exact replication of what Roissy indicates: Maybe the beta guy’s mother just died, maybe the alpha guy is usually a beta pussy. But the picture encapsulates the difference in responses that men get.

    It’s like a visual cue or calling card.

    And if you think for a moment that women don’t have this calculator going on in their heads all the time, for your own sake you’d better start thinking again.

    Like, seriously, dude. We’re not obsessing. We’re watching and observing. Like, real people. And what happens in life. And it’s consistent.

    It really is the red pill.

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  194. on August 11, 2010 at 9:56 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’xsplat
    Poetry “Though I suppose Chateau could attempt to give lessons to train men to fall asleep and stay in “alpha” positions.”

    In such situations I lay my head down on the woman’s thighs.”””””’

    Yea agreed if I am in the car and the whole family is in there it is not an I am in danger situation so I will kick my feet out and lay out and put my head in my womans lap cause we get our own bench seat.
    Or in the back of a truck same shit kick it out and get comfortable.

    But if we are on a bus with a shitload of people I remain in a state of alertness and let her cuddle up under my arm and sleep if she wants to.

    Or at the beach again if I got mad peeps deep I don’t have to give a fuck and will use her as human pillow. he he he

    Or in kuwait watching the sunset I used her as human pillow and it is a fond memory of my life. Kicked back and totally relaxed.
    When she got us up to move when the palm tree shade was moving with the sun so I didn’t have the sun in my eyes was when I knew she was becoming the woman for me. Able to think about my comfort before her own.

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  195. Awesome to see resident bitch Doug1 get called out for being the bitch he is. Good show guys!

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  196. Alex, Mark, dana is easy to explain. She’s told stories on this board about her past before. Basically she’s an asperger’s afflicted social misfit who was never liked by the pretty girls and could never get invited to their reindeer games. She also told a story where she was hanging out with some girls and rode the staten island ferry and was so desperate for approval she blew this skunky dirtbag rocker dude and let him blow a load in her mouth. later she felt like shit and the guy never called her back. A real loser piece of work.

    So obviously, when you are ostracized and made to feel like shit by a whole gender, you have one of two options. Admit you are a misfit fuckup which is why that whole gender was right to never like you, or the second option, which is to desperately cling to the idea that something is wrong with the whole gender. By being so against the whole female gender, she can convince herself the problem was never her, it was every other woman on earth who was messed up.

    The bitch needs to grow up. So she was an unlikeable, freakish, social misfit loser fuckup that no one in their right mind wanted anything to do with…deal with it and move on. Unresolved childhood issues in an old bag are so unattractive.

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  197. on August 11, 2010 at 10:11 pm The Rational Male

    mark-

    “the rational male

    also, women are wired to accept an alpha playing, not an alpha cheating. as i said before, cheating implies a broken promise. any woman worth her salt will encourage broken promises or emotional affairs.

    if a guy has a harem and no ties, though, that’s another story.

    e-harems don’t count.”

    Playing but not cheating? You aren’t making sense

    And it has nothing to do with whether or not she encourages it, it has everything to do with the fact that she will turn a blind eye to it when it happens.

    You said that a woman must have something wrong with her to ALLOW cheating, you said nothing about condoning.

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  198. on August 11, 2010 at 10:19 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’on August 11, 2010 at 9:11 pm Max
    L

    “It’s a single moment in time. Literally any combination of events could be happening.”

    Imagine you are a Mugger / Robber / Hostage tacker in this single moment in time…..

    Which couple do you target?

    ”””””””’
    Exactly. Why I would stay up for up over 48 hours straight in nyc to make god dam sure my sisters shit never got stolen on my motherfucking watch and would then drive her home safely because that is what a man does he gets to point where nothing can phase him.

    So yea not my woman but a woman I was responsible for just like a woman you are with you are responsible for her well being. Because they do not have the physical strength to go full go.

    So yea it is context sensitive on this shit. So you don’t go to sleep when your tired in in that context you and your woman could get fucked up. As the man you need to be looking out for her.

    Being tired and sleeping is not an acceptable excuse to not be alert in that situation.

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  199. Rational

    Women are wired to accept discrete infidelity from a high value male.

    Yes, even so called “quality” women.

    Yes, but the man must position himself for it, which means keeping her away from the yenta herd who will certainly try to counsel her against her man. And it means great psychological dominance over the woman. Doing all that social and interpersonal positioning is what makes the man the alpha. Only then will she submit – and yes, you’ll need to be discreet. No matter what she says, or how much she agrees about you fucking girls on the side, when you are out, your phone is off and it’s not her concern, end of story, always.

    You can’t just be an alpha, and have the woman follow you. It’s a daily re-inforcement of attitude and that can include, at the man’s discretion, keeping her agreeing with something she really doesn’t want to agree with.

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  200. on August 11, 2010 at 10:28 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @ Alex,

    You’re wrong or making incorrect assumptions in a couple places. Endocrinology is a fairly well-understood science, especially in higher primates. I’ve commented on this before on other blogs, so I’m going to quote myself extensively here.

    In chimps and other large primates, Testosterone, Serotonin, and Dopamine are tied together. Actually, so are several other hormones & neurotransmitters, but for simplicity’s sake we’ll stick with these three since they show the strongest linkage & correlative behavior.

    Alpha chimps are characterized by the highest serotonin and T levels of all the male chimps in the troup. Serotonin, being the neurohormone of satiety & satisfaction, will push T up as it rises, and will diminish T as it reduces. Dopamine acts similarly. Giving a drug that blocks serotonin in the alpha chimp, and he will cede the alpha throne, start acting submissive, run off & hide, as his blood levels of both serotonin and T have dropped. Administering exogenous serotonin to a beta male chimp will cause him to begin acting as the alpha. Yes, we’re not chimps but we’re wired in much the same way.

    SSRI’s don’t quite cut it because they fool the body into acting as if there is more serotonin than is actually available, through blocking enzymatic reuptake, but in the process, they downregulate serotonin precursor production, because the body is doing more with less serotonin because the serotonin that is present lasts longer. But the link between serotonin and T is dependend on total T levels.
    This is why SSRIs have sexual side effects–they lower T, and also why SSRIs are poor choices for the extremely depressed–their lower serotonin levels, when lowered more by the drug, make suicide & violence much more likely.

    On the other side, increases in dopamine (in the absence of insulin resistance, another reason to avoid processed sugars & grains) increase testosterone. Look at a sexy woman–dopamine rises and T follows it up. Badda bing!! Lift a heavy object off the ground–T rises, so does dopamine. Booya!

    So is depression beta? Absolutely. Are there high-functioning alphas that get depressed? Absolutely, but they are the exceptions that prove the rules, and are more the product of culture and social constructs than evolutionary pyschobiology. Depression, from an evolutionary psychobiology perspective, is a sign that the person’s not on the right track, and needs to take time away from society to contemplate the way back to their authentic self. Drugs don’t do shit for this, but just mask the symptoms, but what else would you expect from allopathic medicine. That’s all they can do.

    Gynecomastia is caused by excess synthetic testosterone or its analogues which then enzymatically converted to estrogen when T is high. This happens because a) it’s exogenous, and b) because the anterior pituitary senses the rise & shuts down T production via negative feedback loops by diminishing GNRH. The lowered GNRH is what causes testicular atrophy. A good endocrinologist can modulate these effects with various drugs, such as giving synthetic T along with synthetic Gonadotropin to prevent ballsack atrophy as well as giving an aromatase inhibitor like anastrozole, which blocks the conversion of T into estrogen.

    I’m not advocating synthetic T–I’m saying: live a high T life. Learn what foods & behaviors raise & lower T, and behave appropriately. Eat & behave in ways that enhance your natural T production, because T is what makes us manly men, and confers the alpha advantage:

    Natural, endogenous T is cardioprotective, neuroprotective, conserves lean muscle mass, is associated with lower heart disease and death from all causes in older men. Natural, self-produced T is about as close as we can get to the fountain of youth for men. And it has a LOT to do with alpha characteristics.

    Next among them: male pattern baldness. It’s actually due to higher relative levels of the most metabolically active form of T, dihydro-testosterone or DHT. DHT is the form of T that creates the biggest muscles, the most fearsome, steely erections. Yes, your erectile quality is directly correlated with T production, and the hardness of one’s morning wood is a good yardstick, pun intended, of one’s T production. If you don’t wake up with a posthole driver, you oughta get that shit checked.

    In Europe, where baldness is less of an issue for women, and where men give less of a fuck about appearance, older men routinely supplement with DHT. It makes them bald, but their dicks get harder than bullets. In America, a more beta-ized culture, baldness is seen as less desireable, so regular old T is used for “manopause.” But high forehead men often have more T and thus more libido, thus “the more hair you lose, the more head you get.”

    Overall testosterone potential is determined in the womb, and we see external markers like high foreheads, long ring-to-index finger ratios, etc. But on a daily basis, diet and movement patterns influence testosterone, as do percieved social successes. Some research has shown that testosterone will fluctuate with the scores of pro sports teams in men whom identify with said pro sports teams, a great reason NOT to overly identify with pro sports. Men’s T levels also rise after looking at hot women, and lifting heavy objects.

    Testosterone in men, moment-to-moment, is a mood hormone. This is why Floyd Landis took T in microdoses during the 2006 Tour de France–not to build big muscles like Ahhnold (which would be stupid and counterproductive for a TdF cyclist)–he took the T to make himself more aggressive. It worked, he won, but got busted,and they stripped him of his title.

    Other studies show that criminals and other deviants actually have much lower T than do the leaders of society, the captains of industry and high level movers & shakers. I’d hazard a guess that old Silvio Berlusconi has a higher T than 99% of other men his age, and plenty more than beta & omegas much younger.

    And, the lynchpin here is… the female reaction to all this High-T sizzle. It’s clear from many studies that women are desirous of high T men and seek mating opportunities with them, especially around ovulation. They’re seeking the alpha seed, the best DNA.

    Yes, this is all very politically incorrect, as the Original JB said. These are ugly truths, if you believe nature is ugly. I don’t. I celebrate being a male, and having the drive and libido of bugling elk.

    Despite the political incorrectness of it all, a few simple experiments with game will show you this is true. That said, we all have alpha and beta and even gamma characteristics. Perhaps rather than talking of alpha and beta men, we’d be better off talking of alpha and beta behaviors, and we in the manosphere often do–speaking of actions that were alpha (strong confident body language) or slipping into betatude (one-itis.)

    Long story short, game presents an opportunity to learn the behaviors that similate high T, and thus garner the ‘gina tingles. We can live our lives in ways that maximize the T that we do have, through diet and exercise, through the steely mindset of those who do not compromise, who do not bend to the forces of culture that would have us be less than men.

    Game is learning to live and see life through the lens of evolutionary psychobiology. It’s learning to perfect our selves as men, presenting the best of ourselves to women, both in the moment, and over the long haul.

    If you can get past the screens and filters of PC culture, you’ll see this in action everywhere. Everywhere, all the time, and you can even deconstruct past relationships with this lens & see where you fucked up with women. I know I did..and as GBFM might have said–this is the red pill, truly truly, and if you’re not ready to take the red pill, you’ll freak out when you see Neo, and all this talk of game and evopsychobio will offend your delicate PC sensibilities.

    To wit: Feminist inspired PC culture would have us believe that we’re all unique, that we have total free will, that we are not subject to our evolutionary algorithms. We do have free will but we also have very strong biological drives that must be overcome or managed before free will can be asserted.

    You might believe that you’re a special little snowflake and that these biologically driven thought processes don’t apply to you, or that a given woman (your special snowflake) won’t respond to alpha behavior because she’s a special snowflake. Wrong. She will, she just needs to see alpha behavior in the right social context, which is whichever social meme she predominantly identifies with in the moment. Yoga chics get the tingle for yogic alphas. Party chicks want to see rock star alphas. Crazy DC lawyer chicks and interns want to see policy wonkish alphas (paging Bill Clinton), etc, etc.

    Ok, I’m getting a bit spergy with these megaposts..

    GBFM!!! Let’s party!! But keep your cocka away from me. Let’s go spend some fiat cash at the desould bernakefied stripperzzz goint..Lolzllzlzlzlzlzlzllzlzlzlzlzlzl

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  201. The power of a strong image is about 1000Xs greater than the power of a long-winded explanation. All denizens of this modern, media drenched, internet drunk world in which we live should be already be comfortable with this simple truth.
    The beta guy is fucking up. Everyone; man, woman, and child can SEE it. End of story.
    On the other hand, he looks like he is really young. He will have time to get it right. He will have the motivation to get it right after about 14 eviscerations from trying the nice-guy act.
    I was in a race once (involving a type of motorized vehicle not to be named because I need to stay anony) when I got stabbed in the back quite rudely. I got mad. Viking Bezerker-level mad. For the rest of the race I drove at a level I had never achieved before. Track-record territory. I suppose I had entered into the zone where you fear your own death much less than you want to smash those in front of you who deserve it (even if they don’t deserve because they are just like you- just living the warrior dream…).But I did smash them out of the way with ruthless violence and I got my trophy and nobody said a word.
    That was a good day.
    Betas can be transformed to true alpha by massive application of truly dangerous sporting activities. The whole British Empire was built on the insight. I mean, why, exactly, is English spoken in every Airplane Cockpit in the world? Little beta-bois begged for it?
    Someone once said that the goal of an English Public school education was to equip a 17 year old graduate to command a prison ship from Portsmouth to Bombai with no more than one good Sergeant Major to help him.
    That is why an Aeroflot pilot speaks English in order to talk to an Air Japan pilot while meeting in the middle of the South China sea.

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  202. on August 11, 2010 at 10:39 pm gunslingergregi

    The thing is this both dana and laura have some blood in the game and this is what happens when they realize what the kind of living hell the system in the west can do to a man.

    Dana put the time in and aquired herself an alpha type dude who she loves to fuck and loves to fuck her.
    So she actually saw the system up close persecuting this dude and put in some work to try to save him and is trying to kick some knowledge out there to woman. I give props.

    Laura understands same type of deal to an extent I don’t know how but she has a son who she doesn’t want to see just be another beat up cog in the system. She is doing some shit right by already trying to learn how to raise her son to not be just another piece of meat torn up by the system. She is already at 8 years old having her son have a female playmate so that to me is showing some intelligence. She is already trying to teach him the way of the alpha. I give props.

    Just like j with 2 teenage sons.

    The woman with sons are the ones who are trying to figure out how the fuck they can save the souls of there sons under the soulcrushing laws of the insane western states.

    Both woman are trying to learn about life.
    I think this place will help them.

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  203. And I think we should note that the whole idea of prosecuting the Hummer Mom with the same kind of sentence that we’d give to a Hummer Dad, is, well, ultimately a feminist idea, no?

    It’s a feminist fallout.

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  204. on August 11, 2010 at 11:13 pm saving sanity

    If we actually want to improve the gene pool, then perhaps the women are doing right by having alpha’s babies. Isn’t that a brilliant way to ensure that your children will be alphas too? May be, betas really don’t deserve any sex (Of course ugly women don’t deserve any sex either).
    Any thoughts?

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  205. blacks.

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  206. What about a couple that are leaning into each other equally?

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  207. on August 11, 2010 at 11:53 pm gunslingergregi

    Isn’t the west teaching woman to not do anything their men want and not to kiss their asses (do what they like)?

    Yea maybe why asian woman are eating the western womans lunch and gonna continue to do so at an alarming rate.

    South korea was already at us minimum wage standards pretty much all on the back of the good pussy they have available after a relatively short time.

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  208. on August 11, 2010 at 11:56 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’Betas can be transformed to true alpha by massive application of truly dangerous sporting activities. The whole British Empire was built on the insight. I mean, why, exactly, is English spoken in every Airplane Cockpit in the world? Little beta-bois begged for it?”””’

    Going to a warzone a couple times helps to. he he he

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  209. Well said, xsplat. Dominance is a full time job. You slack, you lose.

    I will say, however, that the higher the value of the male, the less influence from the herd. EVERYONE bows to the king. Aspire to be the apex predator.

    ———

    I have to point out that despite this being only a “snapshot without context”, I have never, EVER in my entire life adopted that sort of a position with a woman. Not in public, not in private, not ANYWHERE.

    It is kind of like the hand holding thing. If a chick were to try to hold my hand from the front, my visceral reaction would be to pull away and make the universe right. Same with this situation. I don’t claim to be a super alpha, but if I were to lean my head on my girl like that my monkey brain would have a shit fit and I would instinctively correct the situation. That is why regardless of any”you don’t know the whole story” story talk, I can make a fairly accurate determination that the man on the right is a pussy whipped he-bitch.

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  210. on August 12, 2010 at 12:03 am gunslingergregi

    ””””’saving sanity
    If we actually want to improve the gene pool, then perhaps the women are doing right by having alpha’s babies. Isn’t that a brilliant way to ensure that your children will be alphas too? May be, betas really don’t deserve any sex (Of course ugly women don’t deserve any sex either).
    Any thoughts?

    ”””

    Well yea ya got to have woman choose your ass so you got to alpha yourself up to be able to handle the bitches and raise kids. So yea lifes a bitch.

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  211. on August 12, 2010 at 12:04 am The Rational Male

    I’m anonymous above at 12:00…..

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  212. on August 12, 2010 at 12:14 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””; but I don’t hear a single woman saying she wishes her man would attach to her shoulder like a baby suckerfish, the way this chump does.
    ”””””
    omg that was hard and funny as shit.

    baby suckerfish.

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  213. Apologies if someone already asked this:

    How do you explain the fact that the beta’s girlfriend is pretty damn hot? Maybe even more attractive than the alpha’s?

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  214. (R)Evolutionary: epic post. advice for a beta with depression? i was thinking about finally hauling myself off to a doctor for SSRIs but now i’m not so sure.

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  215. Just a quick question and not sure if anyone has brought this up yet (not going to skim 200 comments), Being that this is a picture, how do we know it isn’t staged and the photographer isn’t telling everyone in the shot how to pose and where to look?

    Not that this changes anything that Roissy has said about alpha/ beta body language

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  216. Isn’t it a case that being an Alpha male is merely manning up? Isnt’ the Alpha male with the woman the way things should be whereas the Beta male looks weak and clingy while the Beta female seemed obliged to be strong, stoic partner in the relationship? Shame the picture didn’t have a hat-trick with an Om3ga male loser git in the background with a laptop or something.

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  217. >>but I don’t hear a single woman saying she wishes her man would attach to her shoulder like a baby suckerfish, the way this chump does.>

    nope. any girl dating an alpha will be desperate for him to be clingy. granted she’ll get sick of it in a week, but they want it desperately.

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  218. on August 12, 2010 at 2:09 am gunslingergregi

    ”””’on August 12, 2010 at 12:43 am Guy
    (R)Evolutionary: epic post. advice for a beta with depression? i was thinking about finally hauling myself off to a doctor for SSRIs but now i’m not so sure.
    ””””

    Doctor can’t do shit for ya when you tell em your problem is that you can’t commit suicide.

    Just start working real hard and save money. Money sure made a hell of a diference in cheering me up but then I got a little depressed again by how easy it is to become financially independant.

    I just keep trying to wake up from the cruel joke that everything in life is and why the fuck it is so easy but yet so hard.

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  219. @saving sanity

    “If we actually want to improve the gene pool, then perhaps the women are doing right by having alpha’s babies. Isn’t that a brilliant way to ensure that your children will be alphas too? May be, betas really don’t deserve any sex (Of course ugly women don’t deserve any sex either).
    Any thoughts?”

    Mere half a century ago, there weren’t as many betas out there as today. It is not as much a state of being as a state of behavior. The men, a majority, behaved in a way that we now associate with alpha behavior. That indicates a great cultural shift (or shit if you prefer) transpired.

    Deprogram the feminist overlay and teach some game basics and many betas would tun into borderline alphas, with a strong foundation where it matters.

    @Magna750

    “What about a couple that are leaning into each other equally?”

    You can see it, but in more private settings and these are only brief instances that are appropriate due to some circumstances. But usually the couple dynamics sway the parity if it initially existed one way or another almost from the beginning. And due to the fact that women memory hamsters never cease to refresh the old traces, you are never forgiven for the transgression.

    If men don’t want their women to be total clingers, it is even far more valid for women, it is absolutely repulsive to them, especially in public, out in the open, even in a small dosage.

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  220. on August 12, 2010 at 2:18 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    If we actually want to improve the gene pool, then perhaps the women are doing right by having alpha’s babies. Isn’t that a brilliant way to ensure that your children will be alphas too? May be, betas really don’t deserve any sex (Of course ugly women don’t deserve any sex either).
    Any thoughts?

    The only thought I have on this, really, is that even asking this question is directly at odds with the fundamental mentality of the whole PUA-sphere — namely, the idea that you can “become alpha” through behavioral changes and the like.
    If you buy into that idea, then this question is at best meaningless and at worst (perhaps deliberately) misleading; if you don’t, then what you’re doing on what is mostly a PUA blog is somewhat of a mystery.

    Oh, and, the whole idea that “alpha genes” (in whatever way you define those) make for a “better gene pool” is clearly false on its face. You need a few alphas here and there, but it’s no coincidence that there’s almost a direct correlation between societies’ degree of technological and social progress and the percentage of their men who are largely betas.

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  221. on August 12, 2010 at 2:22 am gunslingergregi

    Seriously though everything I do in life that I read about or fucking hear about being hard for other people. Is fucking easy for me. I don’t know why and it freaks me out.
    It is fucking wierd. Its like I am fucking invincible.

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  222. @Epoxytocin No. 87, in the context of society, it is a social stratification what you describe, not a behavioral one, at least before the inroads of feminism. That distinction needs to be pointed out. Social betas weren’t so behavioral betas a century ago, compared to the present.

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  223. Gun, I suspect it may be a state of mind rather than a sheer luck.

    Everyone goes through some shit sometimes, without exception, but what matters is whether you let it stick.

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  224. on August 12, 2010 at 2:31 am J (second one)

    Editor:

    I don’t see the beta in a dude using her GF or wife as a soft cushion for his head while he takes a nap. I for instance do that shot at an airport all the time. In fact I demand it.

    And I don’t give a shit how she likes it as long as i’m comfortable. I think you’re not right about this.

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  225. on August 12, 2010 at 2:31 am Alpha Paleocon

    Roissy, Ol’ Bucky was a no-good in case you don’t know. Maybe you meant nothing by quoting him.

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  226. on August 12, 2010 at 2:33 am gunslingergregi

    ””””Oh, and, the whole idea that “alpha genes” (in whatever way you define those) make for a “better gene pool” is clearly false on its face. You need a few alphas here and there, but it’s no coincidence that there’s almost a direct correlation between societies’ degree of technological and social progress and the percentage of their men who are largely betas.””””’

    But these guys are making decent loot so they need to alpha themselves up or start throwing stacks at bitches to get there confidense up.

    Yea obviously guys can become more alpha but they still need to do it. I am not even sure though that a bunch of men even want bitches though and would not rather be gay after seeing a place that really doesn’t give a fuck if a dude is gay and the tall handsome dudes who you would think would be alpha are fucking fags.

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  227. on August 12, 2010 at 2:36 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Morsellaux
    Gun, I suspect it may be a state of mind rather than a sheer luck.

    Everyone goes through some shit sometimes, without exception, but what matters is whether you let it stick.
    ”””””
    Well yea not luck for most I just work at shit until I succeed.
    But I am saying that is all it takes to beat life just work a bit at some shit and win.
    How hard is that.
    If it was a game it would be too slow and boring but still too easily winnable.

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  228. on August 12, 2010 at 2:44 am gunslingergregi

    Like roissy’s post on the steak and dicksucking shit.
    And his list of shit a woman should do.
    I get that in every relationship I am in.
    I mean wtf are dudes just not demanding shit from their bitches.
    Are guys too afraid to just say blowjob and steak day time.
    I mean what is problem?
    If I want a blowjob I tell my woman give me a blowjob.
    Watch.
    Ok I got my woman.
    I said give me a blowjob.
    Ok now she said she was cleaning. bla bla
    I said close the door.
    she went to go close door to outside.

    Now I already ate steak today.
    Now I am getting a blowjob.

    Now I will turn it into fucking her as her reward for being a good girl.

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  229. on August 12, 2010 at 2:45 am gunslingergregi

    gunslingergregi

    Like cr’s post on the steak and dicksucking shit.
    And his list of shit a woman should do.
    I get that in every relationship I am in.
    I mean wtf are dudes just not demanding shit from their bitches.
    Are guys too afraid to just say blowjob and steak day time.
    I mean what is problem?
    If I want a blowjob I tell my woman give me a blowjob.
    Watch.
    Ok I got my woman.
    I said give me a blowjob.
    Ok now she said she was cleaning. bla bla
    I said close the door.
    she went to go close door to outside.

    Now I already ate steak today.
    Now I am getting a blowjob.

    Now I will turn it into fucking her as her reward for being a good girl.

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  230. on August 12, 2010 at 3:03 am Alpha Paleocon

    “Depression, from an evolutionary psychobiology perspective, is a sign that the person’s not on the right track, and needs to take time away from society to contemplate the way back to their authentic self.”

    Well, those sort of models are a decent fit for transitory disease (though still not proven true), but they hardly have the potential to explain why a person would be depressed for 20 or 40 years.

    “Drugs don’t do shit for this, but just mask the symptoms, but what else would you expect from allopathic medicine. That’s all they can do.”

    Uh seriously? Anti-depressants are fairly weak but this hardly the case throughout “allopathic medicine.” Unless you’re joking, you must be a retard.

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  231. Great post by (R)evolutionary.

    “Overall testosterone potential is determined in the womb, and we see external markers like high foreheads, long ring-to-index finger ratios, etc. ”

    I’ve also read this phrase a number of times …

    “the level of testosterone one is exosed to in the womb”

    My question is this …

    What is the determinant of this level of Testosterone ?

    Being that one of the components of semen is Testosterone , could it be that a determinant of “Alpha” qualities in a male (or female for that matter) is related to the amount of sex (i.e. semen) that a woman is “exposed to” during pregnancy?

    Could a soon to be father be doing his son a favour by regularly emptying his balls into his mother on a regular basis while she is pregnant ? Thereby helping his son become more Alpha from the very start ?

    Simplistic thinking perhaps?

    Has any such related study been done ? and if not … why not ?

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  232. J (second one), the whole posture indicates a beta.
    I remember, quite an eon ago, when I with my wife went on a trip from central Europe to Black Sea via train. 40 hours trip. Strapped for cash (we bought a plane ticket for the return trip), we did not want to spend on the sleeping wagon and took turns sleeping on the train seat. Always with the head in each others lap cushioned with a little pillow. More natural. Not like this clinger’s slouching.

    There seems to be a bench kind of seat on the ferry. I would use the same way with my GF/wife if I were deadly tired. Emphasis on deadly tired.

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  233. on August 12, 2010 at 3:23 am gunslingergregi

    Update:
    She had an orgasm during blowjob
    then orgasm riding me
    then orgasm while fucking her.
    then orgasm while I was hitting it from behind.

    She also tried to suck the fucking artery out of my neck lol
    There was battle damage.
    Along with a little blood on my thumb.

    cha ching tell your bitch to suck your dick often while she is busy with something else.

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  234. on August 12, 2010 at 3:25 am gunslingergregi

    37 minutes uh oh lol

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  235. @Doug1:

    “I also suspect this photo wasn’t taken in the US. I’d guess a Baltic nation.”

    The picture is taken in Sydney Australia on the Cockatoo Island ferry.

    http://www.moranprizes.com.au/default.aspx?id=32 ( 11th picture in the set )

    And no, being tired on fucking 5 minute ferry ride is no excuse to act like a whipped spineless pussy in public.

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  236. 10:31, it is a whopping 10 minute ride, not 5!
    How that must be exhausting! 😉

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  237. on August 12, 2010 at 5:02 am too late for romance

    Frankly I’ve never understood why many of the men on this board give any attention to the female posters.

    The day that I began to really understand women was the day that I stopped listening to them and began watching them. Every single day since then I have learned that what they say is almost always totally useless bullshit, while what they do can and does provide me better understanding regarding exploiting them.

    On this blog that exists only in a realm where I can “listen” to them, hey are by definition “talking” and therefore not worth “listening” to if my interest is understanding women, which is it, in order to exploit them more efficiently for the only real resource they possess that I absolutely need but do not and cannot ever have: pussy.

    Assuming for the sake of argument that IRL the “men” here are men and the “women” here are women, why would I, as a man, care what any woman typed into a computer on a blog ostensibly dedicated to using women for pleasure IRL?

    That’s why I ignore all of the female commentators here and on the other blogs I use to learn how to get laid with less effort: regardless of what women say online, they just don’t matter. The only women who matter are the ones I see and meet IRL.

    Online, they will begin to matter when they can guzzle my jizz via T1+ lines. Until then, quoting Roger Sterling from Mad Men:

    Don Draper: “What do [online] women want?”

    Roger Sterling “Who Cares?”

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  238. on August 12, 2010 at 5:03 am gunslingergregi

    oh shit lol

    No wonder she staring off into distance.

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  239. on August 12, 2010 at 5:12 am gunslingergregi

    ””””On this blog that exists only in a realm where I can “listen” to them, hey are by definition “talking” and therefore not worth “listening” to if my interest is understanding women, which is it, in order to exploit them more efficiently for the only real resource they possess that I absolutely need but do not and cannot ever have: pussy.”””’

    go grab some pussy then you will feel better about practicing on online chicks.

    advocous diboli has written extensively on bitches who give it up to anyone.

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  240. on August 12, 2010 at 5:13 am 2late4romance

    I fucking hate WordPress and it’s stupid nickname and formatting rules, but I’ve finally bent over and taken an account straight up the ass. I guess I’m still a beta.

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  241. on August 12, 2010 at 5:15 am 2late4romance

    That’s the point. I can’t practice online. I can only practive IRL.

    Therefore, I cannot learn anything from women online. I can only learn something from women IRL.

    The only thing I can do online with women is give them attention without receiving anything real in return. Fuck that. My attention is not free.

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  242. on August 12, 2010 at 5:30 am gunslingergregi

    Ok she went out and got me a carton of cigerettes and some chocolate. lol

    She is already trained to give monetary reward for sex.

    lol

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  243. on August 12, 2010 at 5:33 am gunslingergregi

    Well drive on brutha

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  244. on August 12, 2010 at 5:38 am gunslingergregi

    Course you know there is a crazy modern invention called a plane ticket right?

    he he he

    Nothing is impossible dude.

    Nothing.

    The only thing that is impossible is the thing you convince yourself is impossible.

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  245. on August 12, 2010 at 6:10 am gunslingergregi

    But you want real right.

    Go take a look at the guiness book of world records you will see a lot of shit in there that humans thought could not be done.

    So maybe you could get in there for day game.

    Or maybe give yourself a challenge of approaching 20 chicks a day for a year and saying something like.

    Hi

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  246. Morsellaux,

    That’s a good point about the prevalence of beta behaviour. If you look at old photos, especially group ones, most men displayed alpha characteristics- no slouching or apologetic looks on their faces regardless of how bleak their station in life. They look proud. They wouldn’t debase themselves in public like the herbs of today.

    It’s the feminist revolution that neutered us.

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  247. The more you learn about game, and the more alpha you become, the more repulsed you are by displays of betatude. Anyone agree with that?

    Btw, quality comment left by (R)Evolutionary.

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  248. @Jay

    I completely agree. It’s a very useful tool to assess others in any setting. What’s more interesting is that game is the same regardless of religious or ethnic culture.

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  249. “The more you learn about game, and the more alpha you become, the more repulsed you are by displays of betatude. Anyone agree with that”

    and if you are an analytical woman, the more you understand why you were wildly attracted to some men and inchoately repulsed by others

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  250. Dana that’s bang on. I like this blog and others b/c it helps me understand myself and help other females make informed dating decisions. Although the worst kind of vice is advice eh? Some people never learn….

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  251. dream

    as a disgusting old hag who should be dead its more about analyzing my past than my present

    but it has helped me understand my husband and has improved my marriage 1000 fold

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  252. That’s really wonderful you’re able to keep going with life after being so very old.

    I am trying to learn as much as I can before my birthday next month, when I am deemed officially “over the hill” by the Roissysphere. I’m thinking seppuku. Make a dramatic exit and all that.

    But yes, helps put my (very meager) past with other men in context. Why they say what they say and why I liked who I liked. To my benefit though, I never liked assholes. Not usually……

    Question- do you ever give advice to men or women? my x-ray tech the other day was classic beta and we got to talking and i wanted to tell him about this site so bad, but really? Who likes unsolicited advice. It wasn’t my place. And with friends…omg forget it.

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  253. That’s cool you’re able to go on with life even though you’re so ancient and therefore technically worthless. I think by next birthday (in a month, Virgos HOLLAH!) I’ll be deemed officially “over the hill” on this blog. I’m thinking seppuku….

    Question- do you give advice to men or women? I encountered this very kind beta male w/ a good job and I was DYING to give him the link to this site (he was a medical tech, i dont talk to strange men). But who likes unsolicited advice? And with my friends? forget it! I’ve tried but no one likes a know it all.

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  254. In a small population, I’d be relieved by displays of betatude in other males, where, in a macro sense, I advocate that western males stop being so beta and I promote the Roissysphere as a way of preserving western civilization from a collapse into Marxist feminism.

    This fits in with evolutionary biology theories. On a micro level a man doesn’t need the direct competition for limited resources (I want all 5 tens in my home town) while wanting his greater tribe (the USA) to retain superpower status.

    At lunch today I did an LL Open on a 9 at a corner market (Low Risk, Low Reward Opener). I asked “Do you speak English”. She said no and that was that. But on the street I caught up with her and said “Do you know how long this heat wave is going to last?” in her own language. We had a great conversation from there and I’m welcome to drop by her work anytime.

    I’m booked until Monday with other women so I can’t pursue this immediately. If more males were Alpha around here, I’d be concerned she’d be taken by Monday.

    QED: I’m glad that game is not so well known yet locally.

    It also helps that she’s not the type to hit the bars on weekends.

    Now I’d normally be the last person to be concerned about competition but there was one incident 12 years ago when my best friend, who was 6’4″ compared to my 6’2″, took away a 10 from me at a country music joint in the US rocky mountains.

    Another time I saw a 10 getting fucked on the beach in Miami at 6AM by a bouncer for a local club. I almost wanted my money back from the club – its not fair for the bouncer to fuck the best looking customer. 😉

    I’m still traumatized by the fact that those guys pulled 10s right in front of me. The definition of a 10, IMHO, is a woman who could have that effect (trauma if another guy meets her and wins her in the time I could have done so).

    This isn’t to say I wouldn’t love to have a skilled wingman from this blog in this part of the world.

    Good wingmen provide pre-selection to each other and a rising tide lifts all boats…but things can get nasty if they start competing for the one 10 of the evening.

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  255. Hmm, i keep on trying to post but to no avail.

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  256. Ah ok-

    Dana, you are very brave for continuing to live as an ancient. I may seppuku myself once I am over the hill in the eyes of the guys here….(next month- Virgos Hollah!)

    I wanted to ask you- and other dudes too- do you guys every give advice about this blog? This medical tech I was speaking too was just ASKING to be directed to this blog, but I felt it was not my place. Plus, how do you even broach this subject? How about female friends? With me, forget it. Chicks are estubborn meng. Plus no one likes a know it all.

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  257. How do we know that alpha male and beta male aren’t socially constructed concepts? Because every single one of my readers, except for the disingenuous liars, intuitively knew exactly which man was which without having it spelled out.

    ummm, it’s still socially constructed.

    [Editor: You are such a leftie fruitcup. Do you take soymilk with your muesli?]

    In this case, readers know that you define any instance of a man leaning on a woman as “beta” because you’ve said it a million times. So they’re just correctly applying your socially constructed definition to the photo.

    [Regardless of the photo’s actual context, the poses by the two men aptly illustrate the body language differences between alpha and beta males. The majority of instances where men are observed in such poses with their gfs the alpha-beta labels will be accurate descriptions of their relationship dynamics. Everyone knows that intuitively, including you. But you’d rather lie to yourself to score points.]

    The “beta’s” girlfriend is better looking.

    [You can’t tell from the photo which girl is better looking. Stop lying, creampuff. The face of the brunette is too fuzzy to render a judgment on how she ranks compared to the blonde. If anything, they look about equally attractive.]

    That might be a more objective definition of success with women than someone being caught napping in a snapshot.

    [Depends which girl leaves her man first.]

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  258. Laura and Dana are the same person. It’s a guy posing as a female poster. The two moniker slways post within a few minutes of each other and always agree with each other. C’mon, man!

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  259. This is rich:

    Business Insider magazine reports today on how the CEO of Oracle, Larry Ellison, just went postal on a Beta male journalist for Fortune Magazine who had implied in an article yesterday that Ellison should have been fired by his board for having sexual dalliances in the office the same way that the CEO of HP was fired earlier this week:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-ellison-goes-postal-on-fortune-writer-2010-8

    http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/08/10/mark-hurd-larry-ellison-steve-jobs/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-hp-board-just-made-the-worst-personnel-decision-since-the-idiots-on-the-apple-board-fired-steve-jobs-many-yea-2010-8

    What is great is this:

    Almost all the businessmen commenters are on Larry Ellison’s side (as well as the side of the HP CEO who shouldn’t have been fired for having an office romance).

    Apparently, America’s leading businessmen are still Alpha.

    They are just in hunker-down mode.

    It is clear that the executives who read Business Insider are fed up with Sexual Harassment laws and they are certainly glad the woman who accused the Oracle CEO of sexual harassment went to jail for a year.

    Note that the Beta journalist for Fortune Magazine had been attacking Larry Ellison for having had the gall to come out publicly in defense of the HP CEO who had been fired.

    Fortune Magazine needs to fire their Beta puppet of feminists. I’ll take Business Insider any day now that I know the ideology of their publishers or HR departments.

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  260. Laura and Dana have different writing styles and I’m convinced Laura is a real woman.

    Both support the Roissysphere and make excellent posts so the accusation that they are fake is fairly serious.

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  261. Fine. It’s a snapshot in time – anything could be going on.

    But if an HB10 were sitting across from both of them, which do you think she’d be more attracted to? Perception is reality at that “snapshot in time”.

    That’s the point here.

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  262. Great post, (R)evolutionary.

    You sure know your endocrinology.

    Re: depression. SSRI’s will kill your sex drive and possibly make you gain weight. Bupoprion increases dopamine and norepinephrine levels and doesn’t have sexual and weight gain SE’s, so it might be a better choice.

    If you can avoid it, don’t take antidepressants. Psychotherapy is just as effective, possibly more so, and the results are longer-lasting.

    In addition, rigorous cardiovascular exercise has been shown to help against depression, probably due to endorphin release.

    Depending on your profession, you might not want your insurance company to know about your depression. In that case, I would pay for everything out of pocket if you can.

    Apparently some psychoanalysis programs offer therapy at reduced rates; in that case your therapist is a student but I’ve heard they are excellent, mainly because of their engagement and interest in the field.

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  263. @gunslingergregi

    ””’Betas can be transformed to true alpha by massive application of truly dangerous sporting activities. The whole British Empire was built on the insight. I mean, why, exactly, is English spoken in every Airplane Cockpit in the world? Little beta-bois begged for it?”””’

    Going to a warzone a couple times helps to. he he he

    If there’s one thing that can help save this country in the shitstorm that appears to be coming, it’s the large number of vets that the Iraq and Afghan wars have produced, and recycled into the general population.

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  264. Too late for romance, this blog would be boring if only men posted here. For one we would have missed the all the times CR raked a few of them over the coals for their lies and dissimulation, to the point where they’d disappear with their tail between their legs and take their blogs off line. lolz.

    Also, personally I’m not as cynical as you and I see women as more than a slab of meat with a hole in it. The more betatude shed, the more fun they are too hang out with and develop relationships with. Betas who live their lives drunk off the lies that our feminist societies shove down their throats, will understandably grow more and more bitter as the women in their lives treat them like garbage. I was like that years ago until I started to wake up.

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  265. on August 12, 2010 at 11:41 am greatbooksformen GBFM

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    “If you can get past the screens and filters of PC culture, you’ll see this in action everywhere. Everywhere, all the time, and you can even deconstruct past relationships with this lens & see where you fucked up with women. I know I did..and as GBFM might have said–this is the red pill, truly truly, and if you’re not ready to take the red pill, you’ll freak out when you see Neo, and all this talk of game and evopsychobio will offend your delicate PC sensibilities.

    To wit: Feminist inspired PC culture would have us believe that we’re all unique, that we have total free will, that we are not subject to our evolutionary algorithms. We do have free will but we also have very strong biological drives that must be overcome or managed before free will can be asserted.

    You might believe that you’re a special little snowflake and that these biologically driven thought processes don’t apply to you, or that a given woman (your special snowflake) won’t respond to alpha behavior because she’s a special snowflake. Wrong. She will, she just needs to see alpha behavior in the right social context, which is whichever social meme she predominantly identifies with in the moment. Yoga chics get the tingle for yogic alphas. Party chicks want to see rock star alphas. Crazy DC lawyer chicks and interns want to see policy wonkish alphas (paging Bill Clinton), etc, etc.

    Ok, I’m getting a bit spergy with these megaposts..

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    william f. buckley said, “Let’s Face it: Unlike Vienna, it seems altogether possible that did National Review not exist, no one would have invented it. The launching of a conservative weekly journal of opinion in a country widely assumed to be a bastion of conservatism at first glance looks like a work of supererogation, rather like publishing a royalist weekly within the walls of Buckingham Palace. It is not that of course; if National Review is superfluous, it is so for very different reasons: It stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no other is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”

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    lozozlzlz

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods19.html

    “Who’s Conservative?

    by Thomas E. Woods, Jr.

    Jeff Tucker recently stated what we’ve long realized: there is something profoundly wrong with what passes for conservatism today. Entirely ignorant of the conservative intellectual tradition, many self-described conservatives sound more like Woodrow Wilson or Leon Trotsky than Edmund Burke. Unlike Jeff, though, I’m not ready just yet to give up on the word conservative. Leftists have taken enough of our words away.

    National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, for instance, who hates being told he’s not a genuine conservative (even though nothing could be more obvious), offers this justification for war with Iraq: “The United States needs to go to war with Iraq because it needs to go to war with someone in the region and Iraq makes the most sense.” Elsewhere, he writes: “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show we mean business.”

    If you’re wondering if these are the words of a conservative, try to imagine Russell Kirk uttering them.

    But it is the various forms of Wilsonianism, uttered apparently in all seriousness, that most decisively disqualify neoconservatism from any place within the conservative intellectual tradition. When writing for Internet outlets, I inevitably receive a few emails from people who condemn me for not wanting to bring democracy to Iraq, and/or to “liberate” the Iraqi people. One man actually told me that if I weren’t a “liberal” I would be more eager to liberate this oppressed people. Such an ignorant remark impugns the decency of every early American patriot, who to a man believed in what would today be called an America First foreign policy, but this does nothing to stop a belligerent minority from uttering it.

    It says a great deal about the state of conservative thought in America that any of this nonsense could actually be confused with genuine conservatism. To the contrary, this kind of messianic ideology, whereby there exists some moral obligation to spread democracy and to “free” the various unfree peoples of the world, is precisely what the great conservative Edmund Burke meant when he spoke of the “armed doctrines” of the French Revolution. Mesmerized by the universalisms of the Enlightenment, the Jacobins were ready to spread revolution throughout Europe – for why should only the French enjoy the blessings of liberty?”
    –http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods19.html

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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods19.html

    “Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and BUTTHEX it against the wall, just to show we mean business.”

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  266. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1302310/Ones-virgin-slept-50-men–guess-lovers-women-had.html

    How many lovers have these women had?

    Funny. I wouldn’t have guessed the last one!

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  267. That’s been my anecdotal experience, @ALEX

    Fat chicks think being sexually available makes them desirable.

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  268. on August 12, 2010 at 12:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””Michael
    @gunslingergregi

    ””’Betas can be transformed to true alpha by massive application of truly dangerous sporting activities. The whole British Empire was built on the insight. I mean, why, exactly, is English spoken in every Airplane Cockpit in the world? Little beta-bois begged for it?”””’

    Going to a warzone a couple times helps to. he he he

    If there’s one thing that can help save this country in the shitstorm that appears to be coming, it’s the large number of vets that the Iraq and Afghan wars have produced, and recycled into the general population.

    ”””””

    I was in army in bosnia
    then contractor in iraq and kuwait for 5 years during which time while I was there the us changed rules of engagement so that if we got captured or arrested by the iraqi’s no rules of engagement applied so basically we could have been tried for warcrimes lol
    They even specifically stated people who worked in the dfac could somehow be charged with some sort of crime. I didn’t work in dfac but it was some strange shit to be left out to dry on paper while over there. Just another example of america not giving a shit about the people helping the cause.

    I kind of came to conclusion that exterminating the west and erasing everything from the history of it would be kind of beneficial to the world. The problem is that the western poison is spreading everywhere. Alimony and ass kissing woman has been going on for more than 200 years.
    I say give only the asians a chance to lead good lives rather than the whole world become exactly like us.

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  269. on August 12, 2010 at 12:13 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’Also, personally I’m not as cynical as you and I see women as more than a slab of meat with a hole in it.”””’

    There is your first mistake because they see you as a wallet with money in it.

    Go check lsb’s blog I was dumbfounded.

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  270. @Alex This isn’t surprising at all. On another website posters (who were probably ugly women) were acting as if uglier women were somehow ‘purer’ then good looking women. This is complete bullshit. ANY woman can have as much sex as she wants.

    Attractive women can get attention, validation, and anything else from men without doing much to earn it. The ugly women have to “put out” to get the same validation.

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  271. on August 12, 2010 at 12:26 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    fat chix can get boffed too all they need 2 do is spread their legs and a cocka will find its way in if tehy sprea dtehir legs 50 times dat is fifty cockas lzozlozlzlzllzlz

    and the fat chcick will do the math

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    dids is why homely womenz think they are gods greatest gift to man but then fiund out ten years down the road that they are gods greatets gift to cats form lotsa cockas to lotsa ctasststst

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  272. on August 12, 2010 at 12:29 pm gunslingergregi

    Not really out of hate more like how you would put a dog with rabies out of its misery so it doesn’t infect any other animals.

    It is just to deep and been going on for too long.

    I mean the shit just keeps getting worse and at some point you would think that the judges would be like I am not gonna enforce that but they do.

    But when you look at people even for mens rights and shit they also want to keep the vaj shit up and want forced child support and shit lol

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  273. But but but, maybe the guy on the right just finished fighting off 16 thugs with knives and chains

    while tied to a chair

    after being tranquilized

    then commanded his girlfriend to look away from him because he needed a pillow

    none of that matters, he still looks like a fucking loser.

    perception is reality, and the why’s are completely irrelevant as to the reality of this photo (beta looks like a dweeb, alpha looks like a guy comfortable in his frame.)

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  274. The moment your stupid male ass plopped out of a VAGINA to enter this world, you were already ‘neutered’.

    If you want to have a man’s world. Screw men up the arse, suck men’s cocks and get science behind your dumb asses to make babies on your own, carry and deliver them.

    You are all so BRILLIANT after all, so, I’m sure this can be worked out.

    A world full of ONLY MEN should be EPIC

    FAIL

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  275. and if you are an analytical woman, the more you understand why you were wildly attracted to some men and inchoately repulsed by others

    Which is deeply useful if some of those men are still in your life. Understanding why I can’t seem to even consider some of my male friends for dating has helped me a. be nicer/more understanding about my reactions to their overtures and b. be more open and direct about my lack of interest in them.

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  276. “She is ensconced in the cocoon of his masculinity, a mere branch dangling languidly from his oaken composure.”

    Oaken… In-fucking-deed.

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  277. Oh man I wish I’d seen the bitching at Doug in real time. Nice to have a couple people around who doesn’t think that that incoherent fronting paper tiger is actually legit

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  278. Great post. I noticed a couple other things that I believe are generally standard when differentiating the subspecies.

    1. The Beta has a head of hair soaked in hair product. Years of hair gel application have undoubtedly seeped into his brain causing the weakened traits you mentioned. Hair product, except on rare occasions, is beta.
    The Alpha is au natural, unconcerned about the way in which his hair hems and haws. His confidence is not driven from his locks, but from his inner confidence.

    2. The Beta has a well manicured beard – The sign of a man overly concerned about his appearance.
    This particular Alpha seems to prefer the simple clean cut shave. He isn’t trying to tell you anything about who is is by his thought out and designed facial hair.

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  279. Guy: There’s a book called ‘Depression: The Way Out Of Your Prison’ by Dorothy Rowe. It’s not necessarily as good as its promise but its got some important ideas.

    Identifying why you’re depressed and what it’s telling you, counselling and nurturing a social network are some concurrent things you can do.

    [I say what I say as a person, not an expert or professional.]

    dana: I’m very amused that you think I was feeling sorry for you. To translate what I was saying more simplistically for you, my main point was saying how you’re acting is mostly your true nature.

    I don’t really think you act like a person with Asperger’s. I’ve been close to a few people who have it and have read up on it. I’ve also seen other Asperger’s online. All in all, you’re almost nothing like them.

    You’ve more likely got funner mental disorders than that, if you do have a mild version of anything!

    Personally, I mentally have always thought of you as ‘dan’. And I wouldn’t even think twice about it, except you mention your husband pretty often.

    I also seem to remember at least once incident recently where you were sexualised, by a man.

    Audrey:
    Doug doesn’t call himself some sort of playa alpha at the moment; he’s a settled man as far as he’s concerned. But he’s had his previous experiences, and he’s more modest on here than most know.

    In fact I suspect this is the real reason why you decided not to have any kids, because God forbid you might be challenged by them and it’s not O.K. for a father to fly into a bipolar emotional rage at every little supposed insult!
    That’s a lot to extract from a few words. The internet isn’t real. He’s a relatively calm man in his life, and deals with situations as an adult.

    The mention of kids is my fault. I’m obsessed with the tragedy that a man like him does not have children. He’s compassionate, clever, authoritarian, knowlegeable, fun and classy.

    When I said society was the cause, it wasn’t him that said it to me. I was referring to the below…

    How Anglosphere society discourages children is by
    a) no real social pressure to settle whilst definitely discouraging shedloads of children, especially early on in life
    b) allowing sexless marriages and relationships to happen, with entitled women who don’t see sex as essential part of a relationship. Radical feminists even generate subtle and not so subtle propaganda that there is something inherently wrong with heteronormative sex.
    C) readily available and unregulated contraception and abortion options.
    D) creating a financial atmosphere where both partners need to work full-time.
    E) a 50% divorce rate. This keeps the numbers of kids down generated by a couple, reduces the likelihood they’ll have kids with future partners (with a special emphasis on divorced men who need to afford child support for any kids they have already) and the kids that do come from these families are more likely to have multiple issues in multiple avenues that cause many social problems.

    Basically a man of his equal stature in any sphere of human success in life would have anything from three to fifty kids by now in a non-Anglosphere culture.

    Whilst the opposite is true in Anglosphere, those in the lower echelons of social value have greater reproductive success, as well as a lesser genetic fitness. It selects for those who don’t work, don’t take contraception effectively (it can fail, but most failures are due to incorrect use… And less sensible people are the ones doing this) or have the resources to access it and older couples producing less healthy kids.

    Other cultures have their flaws in familial models, but the Anglosphere is really not doing very well here.

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  280. As usual, Rollo Tomassi wins the thread.

    If only there were a way to see comments from just him and a few other people then we wouldn’t have to read mindless sperging by illiterates, paranoiacs, autistics and beta projections from Alex and the other tards heavily invested in MAKING EVERYONE ELSE AGREE WITH THEM.

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  281. on August 12, 2010 at 4:02 pm Rollo Tomassi

    You can. This is my home forum.

    http://www.sosuave.net/forum/index.php

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  282. on August 12, 2010 at 6:22 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Check-mAtE
    The moment your stupid male ass plopped out of a VAGINA to enter this world, you were already ‘neutered’.

    If you want to have a man’s world. Screw men up the arse, suck men’s cocks and get science behind your dumb asses to make babies on your own, carry and deliver them.

    You are all so BRILLIANT after all, so, I’m sure this can be worked out.

    A world full of ONLY MEN should be EPIC

    FAIL
    ””””””””’
    Well yea that is about only role that us chicks are being told to fill and that roll is going away.

    Well really more like lord of the flies but more real than that. A mans world of pure violence without competing propaganda would actually be a happy place for men.

    But really the best place I am seeing is a place where men and woman are equal with no safety nets.

    West creates false shortage of pussy by taking a shitload of woman who would otherwise be fucking normal guys and putting them on welfare and giving them money for having kids so that they are only fucking the best because their egos are so fucking huge.

    Because they already know they can make 30k a year doing jack. Or if pregnant by right guy 120k a year or more which is more than the median for a doctor or lawyer. So of course they all think they deserve a millionaire just because of pussy with no other qaulities needed.

    Or they develop a couple qualities and freaking think they the shizznit.

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  283. In addition to the postural signals Roissy mentioned, other factors give away the alpha status of the man in the background: he has a thick neck, broad shoulders, good traps, and big quadz. He looks like an athlete and a pretty muscular one at that. Beta apologists will hasten to reach for an example some muscular guy they knew who failed with women, but of course this is the exception and exceptions prove the rule.

    The guy in the foreground displays none of the attributes of the guy in the background. Verdict: Appears J-w-sh.

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  284. Check-mATE:

    “get science behind your dumb asses to make babies on your own, carry and deliver them.

    You are all so BRILLIANT after all, so, I’m sure this can be worked out.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9605071
    http://90.146.8.18/en/archiv_files/20001/E2000_062.pdf

    We’re working on it. Shouldn’t take too long to get there.

    All we need is for the porn industry to keep up and give us good quality sexbots.

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  285. bhetti

    super cool response

    i misread you and i’m sorry

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  286. on August 13, 2010 at 12:33 am Another Alpha

    The alpha is a true Australian.

    The beta is an immigrant.

    AA

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  287. Interesting comments about depression here. I suffer from depression myself, and frankly it causes me to not care enough to ‘bootstrap’ myself out of my ‘beta’ situation.

    I’d be happy to stay in this situation… kinda… if some girl-who-appears-different-from-others-but-really-isn’t didn’t come along occasionally, light up my life for a little while, then rip my heart out of my chest, and walk off into the distance like nothing happened.

    What’s worse is the concept that a large amount of depression might be caused by negligent parenting from your mother! Which some forms of therapy are based on.

    How weird is that? Getting rid of the source of Beta behavior by delving more into the emotions causing it.

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  288. @Bhetti
    “The internet isn’t real.”
    –> I’m glad someone else around here is saying this, I will refrain from commenting further other then to say that more people around here should realize this. Lol

    “He’s a relatively calm man in his life, and deals with situations as an adult.”
    –> Then why does he feel the need to fly off the handle here at every little thing? I have not typed one single thing that would deserve the label of feminist, a label that I certainly don’t fit, and look at the emotional conniptions he’s gone into in response to my perfectly reasonable questions.

    “The mention of kids is my fault. I’m obsessed with the tragedy that a man like him does not have children.”
    –> See, this is where I think you’re just looking at the whole thing through glasses that are way way too rose colored. Short of fertility problems this is not a tragedy, the man self-selected himself out of the next generation gene pool.
    Plenty of us realize that the current situation has it’s problems, and you know what we do? We suck it up, have families, and raise them right. And we have our problems and we deal with those problems, because we know that the world is going to belong to those who show up.
    If he doesn’t have kids then either a) he can’t be bothered or b) he couldn’t find even one woman who would have his children while agreeing to his ridiculously one sided idea of polyamorous-for-you-but-not-for-me marriage. If it’s case b) then, if he’s 0 for however many thousand, the problem probably does not lie with the however many thousand.

    “a) no real social pressure to settle whilst definitely discouraging shedloads of children, especially early on in life”
    –> Doug has claimed on here numerous times that he had all this stuff, game plus the society issues, figured out in high school. If that’s true then this one is down the drain.

    “b) allowing sexless marriages and relationships to happen, with entitled women who don’t see sex as essential part of a relationship.”
    –> I think there’s a flip side of this. Which is that yeah, fewer guys are probably having regular sex with their wives, but the ones who step up and learn to run the game the right way are probably having way better sex than they would have had back in the ’50’s.
    I think too many people make the mistake of thinking that women owe *hot* sex as a fair trade for simple provider characteristics. That has never been true really, they may have given sex in the past but no doubt it would of been cold fish sex.
    There are two different trades here, a) the man trades the provider stuff for the womans work around the house, and b) he trades his “game” for her hot sex. I think guys who think they deserve the hot porno sex just for showing up with a steady paycheck are kidding themselves. And double kidding themselves if they think it was ever that way before.

    “Radical feminists even generate subtle and not so subtle propaganda that there is something inherently wrong with heteronormative sex.”
    –> Those guys have about as much influence on society as the Scientology guys do.

    “C) readily available and unregulated contraception and abortion options.”
    –> Im sure Doug views these as a net positive, what with all his railing against “oops pregnancy”

    “D) creating a financial atmosphere where both partners need to work full-time.”
    Except they dont, if they’re actually willing to take a hit to their standard of living.
    This argument is mostly BS because the birth rates are falling the most in the social classes where both partner’s clearly *don’t* have to work, if this were true then it would mostly be lower middle class people just above the welfare cut off who would be having less children. Its mostly just selfishness and material greed.

    “E) a 50% divorce rate. This keeps the numbers of kids down generated by a couple, reduces the likelihood they’ll have kids with future partners (with a special emphasis on divorced men who need to afford child support for any kids they have already) and the kids that do come from these families are more likely to have multiple issues in multiple avenues that cause many social problems.”
    –> I agree, this is a problem. And I even have girlfriends that Ive lost because they were too mean to their ex’s in their divorces and I sided with the ex’s, although Doug isn’t going to wanna hear that.
    On the other hand the divorce rate is not nearly so high in Dougs social class, and it’s what, 10-20 percent when both people are college educated? I mean the overall rate definately signals a problem, but you have to look on the micro level too. Theres lots of murders in my home state, but not in my neighborhood so I don’t need to walk around in fear, same deal with the divorce rate no? Just don’t pick a gold digger and don’t let your wife walk all over you and in that social class, you should be fine.

    “Basically a man of his equal stature in any sphere of human success in life would have anything from three to fifty kids by now in a non-Anglosphere culture.”
    –> Umm right, and if it were fifty then exactly what father figure would be raising these kids.
    I see what youre saying here but I think you’re giving him a little too much credit, it doesn’t seem that he is ultimately, at the base of things, a man of action.
    I.E. he doesn’t have kids, we know that. But for all his talk about fighting feminism (I seem to recall him saying we should shoot X and Y people dead, even), what has he done about it? Has he even so much as gone to a city council meeting, or anything like that. Or has he just blown a lot of hot air, while taking advantage of everything feminism has to offer a guy with lots of money and free time.
    I can see the passion in his writings about we should do this, we should do that, to help get rid of feminism. But the underlying message is that he’s to good to take action himself, the little people should step in front of the cannons and let him get down with his bad polyamarous self. And this is why nothing gets done.

    Thoughts Bhetti?

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  289. Audrey:

    You thought out of all them, (b) was the least likely to apply to Doug?

    I don’t blame you.

    I was in disbelief too.

    He’s avoided mentioning it, as I don’t think he’ll want to talk about that.

    —–
    Just to make it clear, I wasn’t saying every point perfectly applied to Doug. I just took the opportunity to expand on the way society discourages kids.

    “The mention of kids is my fault. I’m obsessed with the tragedy that a man like him does not have children.”
    –> See, this is where I think you’re just looking at the whole thing through glasses that are way way too rose colored. Short of fertility problems this is not a tragedy, the man self-selected himself out of the next generation gene pool.

    Hey, you’ve got your own judgement of him, which is less informed than mine but a little less biased.

    The form of selection that takes place is not by default the best selection.

    If he doesn’t have kids then either a) he can’t be bothered

    Part of it, especially at this point. His conscious reasons for not having children were irrelevant to my point about social climate.

    To be analogous, people consciously choose to be drunk. However, a society as a whole is responsible for what enables and encourages them to make this decision, even normalising it.

    b) he couldn’t find even one woman who would have his children while agreeing to his ridiculously one sided idea of polyamorous-for-you-but-not-for-me marriage

    Part of heteronormativity from my point of view is that different behaviours are expected from both sexes. In the specific case of polyamory, part of my ease about that is culturally and religiously influenced.

    That’s besides the point. He’s not getting married again and polyamory isn’t a condition of his relationships.

    He’s doing what both his partner and him are sexually into.

    “a) no real social pressure to settle whilst definitely discouraging shedloads of children, especially early on in life”
    –> Doug has claimed on here numerous times that he had all this stuff, game plus the society issues, figured out in high school. If that’s true then this one is down the drain.

    Again, this is from my third culture point of view. He intuitively rejected some parts of prevalent thought, with the specific emphasis on what’s attractive to women.

    Did he have lots of social pressure to have kids? No. His internal pressure is irrelevant to that point.

    the ones who step up and learn to run the game the right way are probably having way better sex than they would have had back in the ’50′s.

    These guys are very few, thanks to a lot of brainwashing by the media, cultural norms and other factors.

    I’m not saying a woman owes sex. I’m saying that she should view it as part and parcel of having a relationship. She should keep an effort going, not marry him if she’s not sexually attracted to him etc.

    See, provider characteristics are both more and less common. There’s more of a polarity. Either he’s a total provider, or he’s a total cad. There isn’t that sweet middle ground as much, which would’ve been more common pre the modern era and which means more wives would be attracted to their husbands.

    “Radical feminists even generate subtle and not so subtle propaganda that there is something inherently wrong with heteronormative sex.”
    –> Those guys have about as much influence on society as the Scientology guys do.

    Not if you look at pretty radical date rape rules, enforced by universities in recent famous examples .

    An important demographic that can get directly influenced is young women with less developed sex drives. It reinforces their distaste around sex, exaggerating it and converting it into a persistent ideology. Instead of something they could get over with time.

    “C) readily available and unregulated contraception and abortion options.”
    –> Im sure Doug views these as a net positive, what with all his railing against “oops pregnancy”

    I guess it’s clear that we have different views!

    “D) creating a financial atmosphere where both partners need to work full-time.”
    Except they dont, if they’re actually willing to take a hit to their standard of living.
    This argument is mostly BS because the birth rates are falling the most in the social classes where both partner’s clearly *don’t* have to work, if this were true then it would mostly be lower middle class people just above the welfare cut off who would be having less children. Its mostly just selfishness and material greed.

    Well, you’re right, it’s more a culturally encouraged and enabled want than a need. Materialism, as you said.

    Fact remains that both partners working means they’re less likely to have kids, and definitely not very many.

    Re: point E. Yeah, now that you know about the new fact: once shot, twice shy!

    Thoughts Bhetti?

    you’re still off about him.

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  290. except you can’t really accurately evaluate body language outside of context and the supposed “beta” has a better looking girlfriend and nicer clothes. the beta could be a surgeon. the alpha looks like a construction worker. which man would women rather have as a long term partner?

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  293. on August 15, 2010 at 5:04 am it's all about progression

    What does Roissy do if he is seated across from the beta male and his woman gives eyes?

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  295. what’s intesting for me is that the Beta is how most Chinese guys are with girls in Asia.

    Since learning game, I’ve stopped playing into that frame.

    Results are interesting. For the more open-minded an international girls, they love the Alpha approach.

    For the really controlling insecure local local Chinese girls, they want Beta guy—someone they can control, manipulate, game…fuck when it suits them and dump.

    A mainland Chinese girl who I banged a few years ago is coming to visit with her friend in a few weeks. She wrote that she’d really like me to meet her friend who is hot.

    Again, pre-selection is important. But her note to me was interesting: “She wants foreign boyfriend and will divorce if she finds one”.

    Yup…they say they want Beta, but it’s Alpha winning all the time.

    It just doesn’t always seem that way if you’re new to game and start getting shit-tests and push-back.

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  296. I just read first half of what u said; and second half
    what the f**k are u talking about?? did someone break ur heart so badly that u became so insensitive?
    women are not always stuck up bitchs like u call them, and men are not always stupid testosterone animals
    there is something called love, there is someone sitting in a hospital room with his wife who just lost her breast over cancer; and still he is kissing every part of her and calling her beautiful, from his heart, and really seeing the world in her eyes, there is a girl being with “ugly” man like u want to call; and same time poor and has nothing to offer her; just because of the goodness of his heart; there is men staying faithful to their wives even if it has been 30 years from their deaths, and still cant see any other woman, and still visiting her grave everyday to talk to her, there are women ready to walk on hell’s fire for men they love,there is love; not only on movies; if the world was like u said; what the point of living? what seperate us from animals?
    last ps: im an attractive woman, that when i walk into a bar, half of the room hit on me, and i never look for muscles, or money; i loved once in my life, with a very nice guy; maybe at first, there was no attraction; but after being friends; u discover things u couldnt believe they exist in that person. so it makes both of ur theories wrong; men dont like hot chicks even if they were messed up in mind (in my post) because my boyfriend end up leaving me anyway, and girls not all of them look for attraction

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  297. @ afauza

    there is someone sitting in a hospital room with his wife who just lost her breast over cancer; and still he is kissing every part of her and calling her beautiful, from his heart, and really seeing the world in her eyes

    Actually, he is where she left him 7 years ago, when she initiated no-fault divorce. She got all the property and alimony that killed his small business and rendered him a wretch and got a restraining order based on fake charges of emotional battery by being “not sensitive enough and indifferent” and at the same time “creating a suffocating atmosphere” by asking for accountability for her occasional “business trips”. He would have been probably there had he known and had she not relocated to the coast on the opposite side of the country–a trip he can’t afford.

    Splat! Welcome to the real world.

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  298. @Morsellaux
    Actually, he is where she left him 7 years ago, when she initiated no-fault divorce. She got all the property and alimony that killed his small business and rendered him a wretch and got a restraining order based on fake charges of emotional battery by being “not sensitive enough and indifferent” and at the same time “creating a suffocating atmosphere” by asking for accountability for her occasional “business trips”. He would have been probably there had he known and had she not relocated to the coast on the opposite side of the country–a trip he can’t afford.

    Splat! Welcome to the real world.

    Sadly, this is how it is: What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine.

    Women see nothing wrong with this, because they don’t have any concept of fairness of justice; theirs is a “me me” world.

    Men accept fair. Balance.

    Balance is not a female concept.

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  299. Don’t be a wuss guys, your wives do not ‘love’ you the way your mother did. You are a stranger to her, she will exploit every weakness you exhibit. The fool in this picture does not get it, he thinks he has won her love and it is unconditional, he will learn her true nature. Her friends are laughing at her and her social status and security is all that matters, you are just a means to that end. Guys, NEVER behave this way with ‘your’ woman, you will lose her along with your assets.

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  300. One thing that I am gratefull for is that Roissy has used an example from “real life” instead of relying on something that has been manufactured via Hollywood …. say a scene from a movie or the life of some supposedly alpha celebrity.

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  301. I’m an Alpha-type nice guy. Treat me with respect and you get it back.

    But when I’m busy gaming a girl and some creepy bastard comes over and says ‘Hey who are you’ with his hand out for a handshake, I’ll turn the tide and say ‘Who are YOU?’

    ‘I’m Jim! I think I know you from somewhere…’

    ‘Well Jim, take a hike please.’

    We’re only ‘@ssholes’ because we don’t want anyone to f*ck with us. I can’t wait to fight someone who tests my boundaries.

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  302. The photograph is by Dean Sewell, titled “Cockatoo Island Ferry”. You can see more of his work at http://www.agencevu.com/photographers/photographer.php?id=118 . I particularly like http://www.agencevu.com/photos/portfolios/730_0.575087001209478001.jpg , another alpha portrait.

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  303. holy shit you are alll fucking retarded. The mental masturbation from one picture is to much. The
    “beta” male is fuking sleeping….

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  304. @fghhdjdj

    I’d agree that the “Beta” could have other girlfriends on the side and he’s throwing this one off the track by leaning into her to sleep. Every morning I share a cab with my main local girlfriend and, when she invariably asks at least three times per week “where were you last night – why didn’t you call”, I mumble something about work and then snuggle into her like the guy in the picture. She then gets to purring like a cat. Works every time. 😉

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  305. guy in front reminds me of clark kent, he is better dressed, and looks to be in better shape compared to the fat thighed dork in the back, if it came down to it, my money is on the guy in front to kick his ass.

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  306. Its a Very good shot; stands to reason appropriately.
    What comes to me is the males need to understand a bit more deeply & also Have balls for the hard game.
    Such is life that we have been in someways force fed – Meaning hunter gatherer equality stay focused on evolution feed the females need to be less sustained then step in to support & honour through the ages.. Do We have it in us? too see, Be & be-have.

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  307. […] always posting pics of beta vs. alpha males. well, i ran across this the other day and just thought — ack! i’ve always, always, […]

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  308. Confidence is key!

    I just googled this topic and came a little late to this party. I think the dividing people into alpha or beta is a little bit off.

    Really it’s all about confidence. The man in the back does look more alert yes, and more confident. It is possible to look confident and carefree in your sleep too.

    I take this conclusion from my own life. I am a male to female transsexual. Likely I would be labeled a omega male without any more thought by people here.

    The problem with that is I have fucked Alpha male, professional sports starting lineup athletes in the ass.

    I have an illegitimate child who I have not had to expend any of my own resources to bring up while some Alpha lunkhead will get to unknowingly spend his. Meanwhile I have attained a high degree of education and professional success for my career stage.

    I do all of this and get my way so much professionally and personally because I am confident and outgoing. It really does not matter how macho or feminine one is. A woman who lacks confidence (a beta female such things exist) won’t get what she wants in life. Just the same as a beta male.

    Oh yeah it helps if you are physically attractive. Being able to attract sexual interest of practically whomsoever you choose gives me great confidence.

    That’s the downside of this system.

    Confidence breeds success, but success breeds confidence. So if one never success where do they get their confidence.

    If someone can find a way to teach someone who has never had social success to act as if they really did, and then thus succeed for real, that would be worth it’s weight in gold.

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  309. this is stupid, the “alpha guy” honestly looks like he could care less about his relationship. At least the guy in front actually care, maybe it is a little much, but I’m almost certain that the guy in the back broke up with her or cheated on her. he controls her and makes her want him, but he probably is only in it for the sex, he could care less about her, and she hasn’t caught on yet.

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  310. The sexism in these comments is disgusting. Especially since this picture is so utterly taken out of context and says nothing about what those relationships are really like and what problems each may have. I would find it hilarious if the guy at the front was just tired that day for legitimate reasons, and the guy at the back is an abusive jackass, or a high school dropout with no future. Of course, it could just as easily be the other way around and closer to what the post suggested, but the reasons why their relationships are or aren’t working are probably completely different.

    I think it’s sickening that so many people encourage guys to put on a mask and “fake” acting according to traits that are arbitrarily defined as masculine, and suggest that the failure of relationships is a failure to do this. Some guys may be naturally emotional/sensitive/caring, which are generally positive traits, so how does that make them inferior? They should just fake it and pretend to be someone else unless they want to be alone forever? Men are brainwashed into acting this way regardless (by all kinds of media and social environments), and women are brainwashed into wanting it. People should be who they are, not an arbitrary, shallow persona that society demands of them, based on sexist, outdated stereotypes.

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  311. “The sexism in these comments is disgusting.”

    don’t puke on my shoes biootch.

    “I think it’s sickening that so many people encourage guys to put on a mask and “fake” acting according to traits that are arbitrarily defined as masculine, and suggest that the failure of relationships is a failure to do this. ”

    and what do you call the social programming carried out by media telling men how to behave when it comes to women?

    “Some guys may be naturally emotional/sensitive/caring, which are generally positive traits, so how does that make them inferior? ”

    haha

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  312. Oh wow, that was a mature rebuttal right there. Two nonsense comments ignoring the point, and one that actually reinforces my point of the media as one of many sources of gender role stereotypes. You think the media DOESN’T reinforce the “alpha male” image? I don’t suppose you watch much TV, movies or sports, then?

    It’s a completely artificial social construct (though I’d guess the sexism in religion played a large role in making it so ingrained in society). The problem with men isn’t beta males, the problem is people pretending to be someone they’re not out of peer pressure. Hell, the argument used in the post to suggest that it’s not a social construct uses completely circular reasoning. All the readers are familiar with said construct and expecting to apply it.

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  313. My dear I am ignoring your point, because your point is pointless.

    What I happened to be incidentally reading:

    An American girl who had been going steady with a soldier posted overseas in 1943 jilted him after receiving a letter from him telling of the emotional strain of life at the front:

    He was sent to Italy where the fighting was very intense for a long time, and he wrote to me whenever he could. Then, in one of those V-mail letters, he told me he cried many nights during the heavy fighting. In my sheltered life with my stereotyped notions of what a man constituted, the thought of his crying turned my stomach. I was convinced I had loved a coward. I never wrote to him again. (p. 272)

    http://www.heretical.com/costello/13gleftb.html

    Now in your cute little world-view media and gender seem to fall from space and not from what people do and their expectations.

    “It’s a completely artificial social construct”

    umm, what isn’t?

    “The problem with men isn’t beta males, the problem is people pretending to be someone they’re not out of peer pressure.”

    And that’s what this blog tells the men, don’t buckle under peer pressure that is media and women saying “to be yourself”;
    rather unleash the animal, just go easy on the prey before moving in on the kill. 🙂

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  314. My god, how can you argue so ignorantly? At least make an effort to respond to what I said in the first place if you don’t want to come off as a troll.

    Gender roles and stereotypes didn’t fall from space. Rather, they originate from hundreds, even thousands of years ago, largely due to the sexism in religion, and when the role of each gender was shaped very differently – especially as the necessary skills in past eras were completely different, depending on technology at the time. Those stereotypes are not relevant today, and they’re actually harmful to male self-esteem, as the world convinces them that they aren’t manly because they don’t fit into predefined roles, even if they’re braver, less selfish and more mature than so-called “alpha males”.

    Actually encouraging people to pretend to be someone they aren’t is pathetic. I should be an asshole to get people to like me, then? Why would I want people to like some other guy I’m pretending to me? That would only make me think they don’t like me.

    The quote you posted is a perfect example of how not only men, but women as well, are misled by what society tells them. The reality is that real men are just as allowed to have emotions as women, and only insecure cowards are scared to show their emotions to someone they care about.

    It’s also telling that it’s 60 years old, and views on gender have evolved dramatically since then. There’s no reason for sexist discrimination and unfair expectations for people to behave in a way that is unnatural for them in order to succeed in life. Believe it or not, suppressed emotions don’t just disappear, they’re bottled up and can lead to abuse of those around you, depression, or even suicide. (Male suicide is actually 3-5 times more common than female suicide.)

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  315. Also, since I should back up a mere correlation, some causes of suicide include:

    Social isolation, living alone.
    Not being able to form or sustain meaningful relationships.
    Divorce or relationship breakdowns.
    Being bullied at school/college/work.

    These are all easily tied to the sexist stereotype problem, simply because so many people actually believe that’s the “right” way for people to act.

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  316. Impossible: “Also, since I should back up a mere correlation, some causes of suicide include:
    Social isolation, living alone.
    Not being able to form or sustain meaningful relationships.
    Divorce or relationship breakdowns.
    Being bullied at school/college/work.”

    Like today’s hypergamy/betas-suck festival? Alphas hogging and butthexing all the available women and generally acting like entitled douchebags toward everybody else otherwise? Divorce, step-anything, estranged-everything, cuckoldry, bastards, alimony poverty, beta-hating, etc.? Say it ain’t so!

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  317. My god,”

    why, thank you.

    how can you argue so ignorantly? At least make an effort to respond to what I said in the first place if you don’t want to come off as a troll.

    Ah, the thing is I know your points, I have heard them all my life, I have followed them for most parts of my life, and if you bother to read some other stuff here, you will find many others like you. If you want to be schooled, so be it.

    Gender roles and stereotypes didn’t fall from space. Rather, they originate from hundreds, even thousands of years ago, largely due to the sexism in religion, and when the role of each gender was shaped very differently – especially as the necessary skills in past eras were completely different, depending on technology at the time.

    So the next question is, did religion fall out from space? Space aliens did it or how about biology? Do you think you’d grown up completely different if society had different expectations of you?
    You’ll be surprised to know that gender roles have fluctuated throughout the times, even in places with religion, even with Islam.
    You might get a hint why it is so from this article:
    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/12/let-women-work.html

    And isn’t it kinda a pretty big coincidence that all religions that survived and succeeded had this sexism built in them. At the very least you have to accept that sexism works, whether you think that it’s worthwhile to have it currently is something to ponder over.

    Those stereotypes are not relevant today, and they’re actually harmful to male self-esteem, as the world convinces them that they aren’t manly because they don’t fit into predefined roles, even if they’re braver, less selfish and more mature than so-called “alpha males”.

    Then you should wonder why men consider being manly good to their self-esteem. And then consider that why won’t they wonder about being “alpha males” when all the chickas go to the less brave, more selfish and seemingly immature men.

    Actually encouraging people to pretend to be someone they aren’t is pathetic. I should be an asshole to get people to like me, then? Why would I want people to like some other guy I’m pretending to me? That would only make me think they don’t like me.

    My dear, what do you think you truly are? Is there a face behind the masks?
    Don’t wash your face, don’t put on any make-up, go bald, don’t expose any skin, talk like a shrew, live like a disease infested hobo, now try and get people to like you.

    The point is, our behavior is not only something that reflects our personality, but how we are affected by the ones we are talking to. The biggest game-changers are people of the opposite sex that we’ll like to attract. Some of us know the trick unconsciously, others will follow.

    The quote you posted is a perfect example of how not only men, but women as well, are misled by what society tells them.

    haha you’ll be surprised to know how women are truly misled.

    The reality is that real men are just as allowed to have emotions as women, and only insecure cowards are scared to show their emotions to someone they care about.

    Oh my, now you’re calling men who don’t show emotions as cowards, not to mention the bit about “real man”.
    See, how you have been misled by society. Is there any good reason to call a man who keeps his emotions to himself a coward? Or to believe that he is scared of doing so? Or if he is truly scared to show his emotions to his SO, that it might be a correct decision?

    Consider this guy:

    http://the1585.com/imnicemen.htm

    The only way they’ll know I’m insecure is if I tell them. In the relationship that ended three months ago, I had made the mistake of taking women at their word when they say they want you to be honest about your feelings. Well, I guess women aren’t exactly lying when they say this; it’s more that they just don’t mean it the way you assume. Women do in fact want you to be honest about your feelings, but it’s not so they can love you better—it’s so they know whether to dump your pathetic ass.

    Now you’re probably thinking that it didn’t work. You’re expecting me to say that I refrained from saying insecure stuff, but girls didn’t like me any better—either because they could still magically tell I was insecure somehow, or because it turns out that girls look deeper than that and aren’t really as shallow as I was making them out to be. But that’s not it either. Girls—and, to be fair, people in general—really are as shallow as I was making them out to be, and the simple practice of never saying insecure things worked amazingly well. To be perfectly honest, I had sex with more women this past September and October than during any year-long stretch of my life before, or all four years of college. And I didn’t even go out that much. So without becoming boorish here, let it be established that never saying insecure things really does work, and is incredibly easy. Those things are not the problem.

    What you don’t seem to understand is, you state that men’s and women’s natures are molded by society, yet you magically think that what the mainstream view is the correct way of viewing things.

    Why do you think that a man who feels vulnerable now never used to feel like those “alpha men” before, or why do you think that this vulnerability isn’t something he learned from the media exposure from his childhood onwards?
    Why don’t you think that men who watch “beta men” fawning over love letters and sing songs dripped in honey for the loved ones are being molded by society into being men who start wearing their emotions on their sleeves? (nevermind getting dumped later)

    See, how difficult it is to separate media and society from our “true natures”.

    It’s also telling that it’s 60 years old, and views on gender have evolved dramatically since then.

    Amazing ain’t it, what a determined groups of lesbians can accomplish and how women can follow and be misled.

    There’s no reason for sexist discrimination and unfair expectations for people to behave in a way that is unnatural for them in order to succeed in life.

    Everyone behaves unnaturally in their life in order to succeed in life. Perseverance isn’t exactly a natural virtue. Do you think education is a something natural? Or let’s get to the point, what do you think is truly natural about human beings and their environment?
    And finally, why do you think the workplaces have to made female-friendly which btw expect men to behave unnaturally towards women?

    Believe it or not, suppressed emotions don’t just disappear, they’re bottled up and can lead to abuse of those around you, depression, or even suicide. (Male suicide is actually 3-5 times more common than female suicide.)

    Funny you should say that. How about those suppressed emotions are what society prohibits from displaying? Like anger at a nagging wife, and the emotional need to cop a feel on a good looking female. Suppression of instincts gives rises to mental problems, but it also gives us civilization. What you have today, is women being able to act on their instincts, while controlling men’s desire to do the same.

    The divorce industry is a telling sign of sexism in our times. You just have to open your eyes and look carefully.
    Then you said something about living alone, not able to maintain relationships; the guy mentioned above finds that relationships will not break if he lies about his emotions. Many divorced men found the same when their wives informed them that they had fallen out of love with them.

    And so on and on, I can write tomes on this BS that I used to believe in and that you still believe in, but it would be better if you check around and evaluate a differing viewpoint from what today’s pop-psychology tells you.

    http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/mens-rights-feminism/shrink-4-men-emotions-of-men-victimized-by-spouses-and-law

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  318. Nah, I’m done arguing with pathetic misogyny. Grow up.

    Let me correct one misconception, though. You think society shapes men into beta males? You know absolutely nothing. You’re the one who has been fooled into an arbitrary construct that essentially involves faking being someone else. There are men who are dominant or possess more masculine traits, and men who do not, simply because they are different people with different (not better or worse) personalities. The former group never pretends to be the latter. The latter believes they have to pretend to be the former. Yet you think I’m the one holding the “mainstream” view? Your bullshit is, in fact, completely consistent with the subtext of “mainstream” gender roles in society.

    The result of feminism is that women are allowed to be both masculine and feminine and not be attacked, criticised, bullied, etc. for it. However, men are still only allowed to be masculine and taught to suppress feminine traits – even the good ones, like, “respect other people and don’t be a misogynistic jackass”. Women are allowed to act according to who they are and be open with friends about how they feel, but that is also optional for them – while men have no choice. What you’re doing is maintaining the sexism even you complained about. It’s sexist to treat men in the way you are.

    You think society tells men to show their emotions. You’re wrong, it tells them to suppress them, and they do, and those who don’t have it bullied out of them for years (whether through school or other social environments) and live miserable, depressed lives. You might say they become more “beta” because they were treated like shit by “alphas” (note that I’m not using alpha as a positive or superior trait in any way here) who believe that everyone else needs to be like them and that they can kick around those who aren’t. It’s inherent in the “alpha” attitude to already believe that you’re superior to others.

    I’m not sure how you can justify the claim that so-called beta males get dumped more, or that alpha males have more successful relationships. That seems to have come out of your ass and is based purely on observations of what goes on in one type of relationship and not another. Failed relationships are generally ones where the man and woman weren’t a good match for each other, so if the woman was shallow enough to think she needed someone more “alpha”, it was inherently flawed in the first place. Not all women are like that, many want a guy who gives a shit about them, not a misogynist.

    For contrast, I would imagine that (physically or emotionally) abusive relationships, which women often find it hard to get out of, mostly involve jackasses like you, not people who are sensitive to the emotions of others. And my observations are just as valid and supported as the nonsense on this blog.

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  319. @Impossible,

    You miss the point. Completely. How sad.

    It makes no difference whether or not its natural alpha or not; or whether it’s misogynistic or not. Maybe it is.

    It’s not the point. The Betas aren’t being insulted or judged by us.

    The point is:

    THE WOMEN (especially the hot ones) ONLY SLEEP WITH THE ALPHAS.

    The Betas get cheated out of sex because the women are misogynistic.

    That’s the point.

    If you’re a man, being beta is fine. But if you want sex, with hot women : Then don’t be beta.

    It’s as simple as that.

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  320. Nah, I’m done arguing with pathetic misogyny. Grow up.”

    hee haw hee haw, I called him a misogynist, I win. hurr durr.
    No kiddo, you grow up instead of throwing around a word that you learnt in women’s history classes or in the quest against patriarchy. At the very least, wait till I make assertions that will make your eyes bleed.

    Let me correct one misconception, though. You think society shapes men into beta males? You know absolutely nothing.

    Umm I know that because I can see that in myself and many others. And it’s a only a few matter of checks for me in order to become the former. So fuck you for telling me what kind of man I am and can be.

    The result of feminism is that women are allowed to be both masculine and feminine and not be attacked, criticised, bullied, etc. for it. However, men are still only allowed to be masculine and taught to suppress feminine traits – even the good ones, like, “respect other people and don’t be a misogynistic jackass”.

    You idiot, that’s what I am telling you. Men don’t have choices in this era, women do. And women always have. Who expects men to act masculine? Society? What is society exactly? Ponder it sometime and you’ll realize society is women, and it’s women’s expectations and well-being that hold sway in it. The mixing of state and society has given rise to stupidity that is women’s rights and laws that discriminate against men. Feminism is the one that performs this.

    It’s like the thief calling thief the person whom he stole from.

    The truth is women aren’t masculine in the least, but barely put up a show and in order to get that show acknowledged they need men to be feminised and to “respect women”. For the man in their bed, however, they need masculinity.

    Women are allowed to act according to who they are and be open with friends about how they feel, but that is also optional for them – while men have no choice.

    Why do men have no choice, because women won’t allow them to. Get that into your head.

    http://deltabravo.net/files/ifmenhav.pdf

    Secondly, how do you think you know what happens in group of male friends? Among two close friends?

    And I recognise the feminine in me, right now it’s arguing with a skank on the net like two skanks do.

    What you’re doing is maintaining the sexism even you complained about. It’s sexist to treat men in the way you are.

    I am complaining about sexism? No, either women should have the balls to say what they really think or get the fuck back into kitchen.

    The problem comes about whether women really think.

    Failed relationships are generally ones where the man and woman weren’t a good match for each other, so if the woman was shallow enough to think she needed someone more “alpha”, it was inherently flawed in the first place.

    Keep believing that-

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/14/relationship-game-week-a-readers-journey/

    http://www.marriedmansexlife.com/2010/01/pua-game-vs-married-game.html

    For contrast, I would imagine that (physically or emotionally) abusive relationships, which women often find it hard to get out of, mostly involve jackasses like you, not people who are sensitive to the emotions of others.

    Women like the relationship more, if they are finding it hard to get out of. Something like the sex is good, you know.
    Unless idiots like you think that they have no agency.

    Though she does like it when I beat her ass. Oh yeah baby, she does. Now a woman on the internet makes me think about it, I will probably stop beati… naah.

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  321. “THE WOMEN (especially the hot ones) ONLY SLEEP WITH THE ALPHAS.”

    So, got anything to back that up? Because while I’m sure there are people like that, the women like that are usually the vapid, shallow ones, whom those you would class as “betas” don’t want anyway. Some women like real personalities, not promiscuous assholes who are just using them for sex. How are you able to speak for the proportions of each, or even to say that they’re mismatched?

    The problem is that our society encourages the sexist interpretation you’ve just given me. The one where women are allowed to be themselves and act however they want (in terms of possessing both masculine and feminine traits), but men are not, as feminine traits (which are not FEMALE traits) are looked down on. If there are too many women who will only sleep with assholes, that might be why. That’s why I said social conditioning’s role was to create the problem by encouraging the emotionless asshole stereotype, while the other poster’s ignorant idea of social conditioning is ass backwards.

    Also, I don’t think I missed the point at all, as most of the views here seem to be how I represented them, not your interpretation.

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  322. “The problem is that our society encourages the sexist interpretation you’ve just given me. ”

    The problem is even though social practices change, the veneer of whatever we like to believe about ourselves and others changes, the underlying biology stays the same.

    “That’s why I said social conditioning’s role was to create the problem by encouraging the emotionless asshole stereotype”

    I see it going the other way. Social conditioning’s current role seems to be to break male egos from a young age, and to create whiny men who talk about their insecurities.
    Most boys are emotionless assholes growing up and it’s not that it’s only boys, but even girls can turn into entitled princesses if they aren’t checked,

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/the-problem-with-women-is-too-much-self-esteem/

    Children are not gifts of gods, they are the human animal in its pure form.

    The only difference being that men have a smaller group of people that they are intimate with. Usually their SO, which is a tragedy.

    “while the other poster’s ignorant idea of social conditioning is ass backwards.”

    Umm, you refuse to see the other way. Your idea of wrong social conditioning is due the feminized times we live in. Social conditioning is always present, the present one expects the female behaviour of crying into the nearest tissue at the first opportunity is the way to live.

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  323. Out of curiosity, what do you think are masculine traits?

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  324. I’m now interested in how @Impossible will react to the other posts. This post was super mild in comparison. 😉

    Welcome, Impossible: I would agree that the above post was not one of the best. I think I mentioned above that it conflicted with the post about Vulnerability Game.

    The guy in the foreground might have 2 other girlfriends on the side, both younger than the one he is with. His beta behavior, if that is what it is, would throw her off the scent (assuming he’s been good about telling the others not to wear scents). Classic Vulnerability Game.

    Now, if you would have a problem with such duplicity on his part, this blog is not for you. Otherwise, read on and kudos for picking a post that was arguable.

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  325. @Impossible

    Go read the rest of this blog or anything by Assanova. And then go out and try to date hot women. You see, through experimentation, which kind of guy attractive women like.

    Or any women.

    Do it as an experiment. Clearly, whatever the reason (being female?), you don’t date women and have no experience with it.

    “THE WOMEN (especially the hot ones) ONLY SLEEP WITH THE ALPHAS.”

    So, got anything to back that up?

    My entire life experience and that of all the people I know and have ever heard of.

    Because while I’m sure there are people like that, the women like that are usually the vapid, shallow ones, whom those you would class as “betas” don’t want anyway.

    They’re also almost always the physically attracive ones. The Betas wnat them, too, but don’t get them.

    Some women like real personalities, not promiscuous assholes who are just using them for sex.

    Women like it, but they like it for their friends. Or buddies. Not for the men that they let fuck them.

    How are you able to speak for the proportions of each, or even to say that they’re mismatched?

    The problem is that our society encourages the sexist interpretation you’ve just given me.

    Not at all: Our society sells “beta” males an illusion of what women want, and women delude themselves. They tingle for the bad boy.

    When they get older, they might settle down for the good-boy beta, but that’s an act of desperation. They don’t feel sexually attracted to him.

    The one where women are allowed to be themselves and act however they want (in terms of possessing both masculine and feminine traits), but men are not, as feminine traits (which are not FEMALE traits) are looked down on. If there are too many women who will only sleep with assholes, that might be why.

    THe women who are worth sleeping with – who are attractive – want the assholes. That leaves the feminine men outof the sexual loop.

    That’s why we need game, you idiot.

    That’s why I said social conditioning’s role was to create the problem by encouraging the emotionless asshole stereotype, while the other poster’s ignorant idea of social conditioning is ass backwards.

    Social conditioning has nothing to do with it: You’ve got it wrong again. This is all instinctive and programmed. It’s a hard-wired program within our brains, coded into our genes. It comes pre-installed.

    Women never wake up in the morning and say “I’m going to be attracted to a nice, sweet guy instead of the shallow but exciting jerks I usually like.”

    Also, I don’t think I missed the point at all, as most of the views here seem to be how I represented them, not your interpretation.

    The problem is that you think this is about socialization. The fact is, society socializes males to be beta males and to be too feminine, not the other way around.

    Men need to break that pattern and free themselves to be men: And then be a man that women will actually want to sleep with, not just a man they want to have around to fix the broken cars and furniture.

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  326. lol, I’m not reading more misogynistic, twisted, baseless bullshit. I said I was done. The version of reality you guys live in where you think men are conditioned to be emotional and girly sounds pretty fantastic, though, I wish I could see what that’s like. It must be interesting.

    The problem isn’t that some men are emotional, or sensitive, or possess feminine traits. It’s that they lack confidence in themselves; in the person they ACTUALLY are. The solution is to find that confidence, not to pretend to be someone else because you think who you are is “wrong”. It isn’t; it’s just different to some other men. That kind of self-hatred, which I think many people here must have if they’re trying to “convert” themselves, is true beta behaviour, and it’s why you’re failing. I know, because I’ve been that guy.

    Now, why do they lack confidence? Why do they think they’re abnormal? Why do they hate themselves and think that they aren’t good enough, leading them to act in a way that women find unattractive? Because society tells them they need to be “manly”, brutish, uncaring assholes. However, the solution of acting stupid and shallow only works if they want girls who are just as stupid and shallow. This entire blog is based on a false premise that ignores this. Not all women are attracted to the same thing, just as not all men are.

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  327. Also, it’s funny how I’ve explained outright now, twice, how society conditions people to want to be “alpha” and to think that’s the key to all success and happiness. (Hell, it’s what this blog is doing! Not to mention almost all of the most popular male movie, TV show and game characters, ever. The wimpy ones are usually the most hated. How do you think people are socially conditioned to view gender, if not through media?) And this is just being completely ignored in favour of ignorant statements of the opposite, provided without context, while I set out things you can’t seriously argue with (and which nobody has disagreed with) that show its occurrence in reality. You think you’re going against the stereotype, but you aren’t, you’re encouraging it – the stereotype that makes men hate themselves and makes them fail with women.

    But yes, never mind, ALL WOMEN must want shallow jerks. They are all the same. So the guys who are not shallow jerks have no choice but to target women who want shallow jerks. This is a good solution. Unless they want a real relationship, not just sex.

    I don’t want those women, so I don’t date them. And I can’t think of any genetic reason why all attractive women would be the vapid kind, so I’m not sure that this prevents me from finding attractive girls. I think there are also many kinds of relationships that you guys are clearly not familiar with, so I find your narrow perceptions really amusing, given the things I’ve seen.

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  328. @Impossible

    Please don’t be impossible. 😉

    Most people who comment here are completely different and most have big or even massive differences with the host.

    I just said above that the above post was considered one of the more arguable because it was just a photo and the “beta” may have been giving his girl a false sense of security.

    You do, by the way, agree that a man should have more than one girlfriend at one time and never get married until after the Divorce 2.0 laws are changed don’t you?

    If you’re going to condemn the blog, it would be better to condemn it from a more interesting post thread.

    Normally, for instance when Beta of the Month is discussed, it is very evident that the male being discussed (news stories mostly) has some serious problems one can learn not to ever have. Take the one where a woman was awarded a prize on a radio station phone call and gave the address of her lover…and then her boyfriend caught her doing that on the air and she told him the reason why she was cheating on him.

    That was a priceless discussion to hear and everyone analyzed it in their own way.

    You can analyze things in your own way here as well.

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  329. Sorry to triple post, but I already didn’t intend to come back here and did so once more as a courtesy, so I just want to clarify something – as I don’t intend to ignore points the way certain others have. I just want to add my thoughts on this before I leave, someone may find it worthwhile.

    I didn’t bother arguing with the idea of genetic coding, because I simply disagree and it’s not going to get anywhere. If you think that, be my guest, I just want nothing to do with misogyny. (I am male, by the way, just highly anti-discrimination – and I’m here complaining about discrimination against men, the misogyny is merely incidental, though related.) Some men are genetically coded to be that way. Not all. Many simply are not, and inherently possess different traits – hell, that’s where homosexuality comes from, but it can just as easily happen in heterosexual men.

    I don’t believe that men are “coded” to be superior, though maybe their hormones count as being coded to have a superiority complex, as many do. (I tend to find, and I believe the statistics confirm this, that men represent extremes, i.e. the smartest and dumbest brackets of society are dominated by males, while women are in the middle.) I think that’s the result of centuries of conditioning in most currently existing cultures. There have been other societies in history that developed independently of current dominant cultures, which saw women as superior or equal to men. It merely depends on what metric you judge value by.

    Unfortunately, all the major religious texts were written by sexist men. And men are inherently physically stronger, which was all that mattered until recent centuries, when science and information became far more important. Pre-feminism views of gender date back to well before then, hence why you think it’s the natural order. If you think the feminists have erased all that already, you are mistaken, and the very fact that the majority of men think more like you (that all men are supposed to be “alpha”) is proof of that. For some reason, you believe yourselves to be a minority even though everyone sees what you’re talking about as THE male stereotype.

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  330. @Impossible

    I wouldn’t comment on this blog if I felt there were other blogs and other commenters saying anything near the same thing…but I see American guys as being blind to what feminism is doing to them.

    Even among the commenters here, I feel I have to add comments often enough because the guys here are missing an important point.

    Off this blog, too many American guys think feminism is OK and let them pass all those divorce and child custody laws plus VAWA and IMBRA…mostly because they, the guys, aren’t really looking (maybe they’re too busy looking at porn).

    Do you think its OK, by the way, that all American men would have agreed to the IMBRA law that requires men to be background checked before being allowed to communicate with a foreign woman via an internationally oriented dating site?

    For a far more relevant post from this blog, take a look at this and comment there:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/10/19/repeal-the-imbra-now/

    I will assume that you will agree that the post needed to be made and that you agree with the host about the need to repeal such laws.

    Meanwhile, this type of PUA/MRA (men’s rights advocate) blog community represents a minority that will have to fight such lawmaking by hoping the proper people in positions of power notice what they are saying.

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  331. lol, I’m not reading more misogynistic, twisted, baseless bullshit. I said I was done. The version of reality you guys live in where you think men are conditioned to be emotional and girly sounds pretty fantastic, though, I wish I could see what that’s like. It must be interesting.

    You should at the very least accept that we are sold the lie that it is the right way to live.
    Men’s conditioning starts from the school, feminized classrooms are the biggest influence on a young boy’s mind. Stupid women with young children lead to stupidities like this:

    http://www.intercultural.ro/theogs/file/Brave_Girls-Tender_Boys.pdf

    The hands that rock the cradle…

    The problem isn’t that some men are emotional, or sensitive, or possess feminine traits. It’s that they lack confidence in themselves; in the person they ACTUALLY are. The solution is to find that confidence, not to pretend to be someone else because you think who you are is “wrong”. It isn’t; it’s just different to some other men. That kind of self-hatred, which I think many people here must have if they’re trying to “convert” themselves, is true beta behaviour, and it’s why you’re failing. I know, because I’ve been that guy.

    Every man possesses feminine traits. The point is that the current milieu defines masculinity as something entirely different from what it is. How many times have your heard the line that masculinity is about dominating, while the truth is that femininity is about submitting.

    It isn’t merely about women being allowed to be masculine, it’s what they have appropriated as feminine while removing it from masculine.

    When feminists have reduced masculinity to domination, aggression, rape culture; self-hatred comes naturally to many boys. You seem to be a good example.

    Now, why do they lack confidence? Why do they think they’re abnormal? Why do they hate themselves and think that they aren’t good enough,

    I don’t know, maybe it’s something about the media telling them that aren’t good enough at empathy, perhaps the only virtue left in good society;
    or maybe something about media telling them that they will be extinct when Y chromosome goes down under;
    or maybe something about that they are potential rapists;
    or maybe something about women not needing men anymore;
    or maybe something about shit like this:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

    or shit like this:

    “If you had a picture of a person doing something positive, winning a race, performing an experiment successfully, etc., [you had to] make sure it was of a girl,” said one of the consultants involved in the revisions. “If you had to have a picture of someone doing a bad thing – bullying, making a mistake, being unsure which course of action to take, etc. – the image was invariably of a boy.”

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/time-to-lead/failing-boys/failing-boys-and-the-powder-keg-of-sexual-politics/article1758791/

    teaching young boys how not to sexually harass their female counterparts, showing DV advertisements that only have men beating up women, ridiculously jacked up rape statistics, and I can go on and on. It’s you who has to empty your head of garbage or all this stuff is pointless.

    leading them to act in a way that women find unattractive? Because society tells them they need to be “manly”, brutish, uncaring assholes.

    naah, man, for me it was the opposite. I wanted to do the right thing, as many men start doing disastrously after their marriage. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, most of the ways that I behave towards women now was shaped by how I was taught to be not brutish uncaring asshole, to care about their feelings.
    Now I don’t bother with that stuff, and voila, I am an asshole again and faring much better.

    However, the solution of acting stupid and shallow only works if they want girls who are just as stupid and shallow.

    Which girl isn’t?

    This entire blog is based on a false premise that ignores this. Not all women are attracted to the same thing, just as not all men are.

    What you are saying by “that not all women are attracted to this” is trite pointless third grade stuff.

    To try and find a woman who doesn’t get bored of “what I really am” is sheer idiocy, well I was something different when I was 6, entirely different when 15, completely different at 24, and who knows what next. The same thing will happen to her. Who knows what kind of monster she will turn into?

    There is nothing that’s the real me and there’s nothing the real you but a group of habits forged into a character, that are subjected to change just like any other thing in this world. It gets harder to shake up things with age, but not impossible.

    Society is women as a collective. Ever heard of a woman’s list of her perfect man being strong and yet who cares for little kittens? Do you see something now?

    Do you ever read about an election issue based on men’s rights and choices and life quality as a group like women’s?

    Ponder these questions and you’ll realize that most of the stupid misogyny BS you have been taught, has never existed. Patriarchy wasn’t really a funfair for men, but for the ease of living for women.

    Also, it’s funny how I’ve explained outright now, twice, how society conditions people to want to be “alpha” and to think that’s the key to all success and happiness. (Hell, it’s what this blog is doing! Not to mention almost all of the most popular male movie, TV show and game characters, ever.

    Try reading some stuff before spouting off nonsense. You are raising your own strawman and then hitting them down.
    Where do you hear in society to behave rudely with women and treat them like the vapid children with massive egos that they really are?

    Most things show the opposite now a days, where the hell have you been living? Missed the screening of the alpha omega wolf movie? Ever watched an ad on TV? Read some articles about women whining about men are not manly and alpha enough for them? (not good enough for meeee, where have all the good guys goneeee)

    The wimpy ones are usually the most hated. How do you think people are socially conditioned to view gender, if not through media?)

    Haha, yeah dude, look around, grrl power shows continue in their ludicrosity. Women are the first ones to pick up on media cues, it’s media that has been turning their heads upside down. Ask yourself how have your own views been shaped by media.

    But why do you hear about men becoming assholes, and not about women becoming bitches? If anything, it’s media that gets slammed for victimising poor women for making them have too high standards for themselves. Women are automatic wimps when they need your sympathy, and strong and brave when they need to be on the TV.

    And this is just being completely ignored in favour of ignorant statements of the opposite, provided without context, while I set out things you can’t seriously argue with (and which nobody has disagreed with) that show its occurrence in reality. You think you’re going against the stereotype, but you aren’t, you’re encouraging it – the stereotype that makes men hate themselves and makes them fail with women.

    Rather than making men hate themselves, the stuff here is about what women are really like, and what they really like.
    Most men would find no problem with women if they behaved with women like they do with their male friends, but they trip up on the messages they are sent through media. Being a nice guy used to work, but since now it come from a position of equality or worse, even lower status, it doesn’t make a woman horny like an asshole can.

    But yes, never mind, ALL WOMEN must want shallow jerks. They are all the same. So the guys who are not shallow jerks have no choice but to target women who want shallow jerks. This is a good solution. Unless they want a real relationship, not just sex.

    Yeah, you can be her brother-like friend and have a real relationship with her while the next guy bangs the shit out of her.
    And “ALL WOMEN” is such a stupid way to argue things, yeah you can find a lesbo freak who doesn’t want a “shallow jerk” but wtf are you even arguing about?
    Then again, which woman isn’t shallow?

    I didn’t bother arguing with the idea of genetic coding, because I simply disagree and it’s not going to get anywhere. If you think that, be my guest, I just want nothing to do with misogyny.

    And how did you arrive at the concept of what misogyny is, my misguided friend?

    I tell you what real misogyny can look like:

    we put women do all labor, have fun with what they produce, then use them as baby makers, when the child is grown up, let’s throw away the woman and yet, still make her pay for ourselves and our children till she dies. Probably on the job or when she kills herself.

    Guess what, change it a little bit and you have the current reality of a multitude of divorced men.

    Many simply are not, and inherently possess different traits – hell, that’s where homosexuality comes from, but it can just as easily happen in heterosexual men.

    and you idiot, where do gender roles come from?
    Do you still believe that trucks for girls, and dolls for boys can change things around? Do you not see it for the abhorrent social conditioning that it is instead of feminist enlightenment?

    I don’t believe that men are “coded” to be superior, though maybe their hormones count as being coded to have a superiority complex, as many do. (I tend to find, and I believe the statistics confirm this, that men represent extremes, i.e. the smartest and dumbest brackets of society are dominated by males, while women are in the middle.)

    wtf, all I’ve ever heard of testosterone in media outside of bodybuilding is always negative stuff. “Testosterone poisoning” for chrissakes.

    I think that’s the result of centuries of conditioning in most currently existing cultures.

    Epic thought genius. How many nobel winners came from countries that were enslaved at some point in time? Real slavery, not pathetic excuse of sitting in the kitchen.

    Then look again at the studies that used to be published how women are better in today’s society(the right brained intuitive superwomen), even you are spouting the same nonsense.

    There have been other societies in history that developed independently of current dominant cultures, which saw women as superior or equal to men. It merely depends on what metric you judge value by.

    Where are they? Did you ever thought that they might be a result of the same kind of BS that we are fed today? That we are turning into those societies and going downhill like they did?

    Of course it depends on what metric you judge value by, what doesn’t? But the fact is that an overwhelming amount of metrics show a superiority for men. And most of them are those that really matter.
    And if I want to change my appreciation of a group by value, how about if we value by who gets to have sex with women? Do jerks appear shallow now?

    Unfortunately, all the major religious texts were written by sexist men. And men are inherently physically stronger, which was all that mattered until recent centuries, when science and information became far more important.

    Haha talk about delusions.
    Dude, religious texts were written by wise men, not muscled men going kamehameha on women’s ass. Isn’t it kinda funny that they all seem to have the same salient points about women and men?

    You seriously need to think about things, and stop believing the simplistic feminist notion of “oh men were stronger and they did so” and open your eyes. Men are stronger still, what has changed exactly?

    Then you speak of science and information, where is the second madame curie(as if she did something of worth), or why is STEM still overwhelmingly male even though other fields of studies have undergone huge changes.

    And that’s even though our social engineers are tying their best in order to get more girls through to STEM and failing boys in schools.

    Get your head out of your ass and stop suffocating on the feminist BS that you have in there. You think that the differences between men and women end on the physical level?

    Pre-feminism views of gender date back to well before then, hence why you think it’s the natural order.

    Yeah, I took a time machine and lived through in those times. I loved it. Bitches were lot less nasty back then. Thinner too.

    If you think the feminists have erased all that already, you are mistaken, and the very fact that the majority of men think more like you (that all men are supposed to be “alpha”) is proof of that.

    You shmuck, it’s a proof that men still have brains to see reality and not believe unquestioningly whatever they are taught in grade school. To not become bleary-eyed babbling idiots whenever someone talks of equality and other canards.

    For some reason, you believe yourselves to be a minority even though everyone sees what you’re talking about as THE male stereotype.

    Minority is being men who can see through the current BS and why it is so. And who exactly is the one who has created this asshole man stereotype and then asks others to beware of it?

    Feminist movement isn’t really something new in concept, women have always wanted power. The scale however this time reflects the current progress of human civilization.

    And this is the female stereotype that men start to believe in for that to happen:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/is-spain-the-worst-country-in-the-world-for-players/#comment-224824

    The veneer of civilization makes men think that women are inherently moral and somehow their equals and even better, women get power to decide their fate, till they show their true colors and the cycle begins again.

    Wake up and smell the ashes.

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  332. Great real life example.

    Today had the girl I have been banging over. Standard on the couch position is her head lying in my lap while I sit straight up. She looks up at me and says, “I don’t know why, but this is hot as hell.”

    Fast forward after 4 hours of pure fucking in my bedroom. I am sitting up, shoulders square, and she has her arms wrapped around me, head on my hip. She repeats, “this is hot as hell too,” as she goes down to blow me for the 3rd time that day.

    Yup its that easy gents.

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  333. i heard some people be like “its just a picture of a moment” and it maybe just as a result of what happened earlier before that picture was taken. BS!
    ok i agree the alpha male might not always pose that way but the position you found the beta is a position you will never find an alpha male in no matter what,all i can say is the alpa male might not be all that alpha but the beta is damn sure beta! true talk!

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  334. You don’t know anything. You made a bunch of idiot assumptions about *one* photo. You’re a stupid person. You’re a stupid *stupid* person. Anathema.

    [Editor: I think the word you’re looking for is “stupid”.]

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  335. By the way, alpha & beta male refers to how the males compete with each other. Not how they interact with women. There are tons of aggressive & competitive men that still let women walk over them. My girlfriend’s father is like that.

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  336. um if the sexes were reversed what would you say? Alpha and beta woman? How about this: one girl likes the dude, the other doesn’t end of story. alpha/beta my ass.

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  337. I think I’m pretty 50/50 and I like it, I have some traits of alpha yet also the ‘nice guy’ kind of side of a beta male. I used to be a total beta up until about a year ago, got my braces off, confidence went through the roof, realised being turned down isn’t the end of the world.

    My confidence will occasionally drop now and then, but for the most part I feel great and think why should I settle for a girl that’s on a lower branch instead of going for the shiny apple at the top of the tree. Now and then I still go beta, but I feel for the most part I’ve got a pretty decent balance :). Only 19, still time to improve, but I’ve changed a lot in the year and I love where I’m heading. Life is good, and the way I look at women is a damn lot better haha.

    Shame I’m not a few inches taller, that would be ideal! But I’m learning to let my guard down, be a bit adventurous, not be a doormat, make them work and just have fun with women and they seem to like it too.

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  338. I find this a bit ridiculous. Let’s say we start a competition: everyone writes a nice story like yours about the two men in the picture, and let’s see what comes out.

    Further, many of the things you said aren’t true or can be turned the other way: the shoulders of the alpha are actually less straight, the beta is in a more relaxed position, the alpha is holding his own hands like he’s insecure, the blonde girl looks happy and contented (and it wouldn’t make sense if her head was turned toward him), the other girl looks like “what time is it?” or “when are we arriving?”, the alpha’s legs are open because of the way he is sitting, the beta’s legs are straight and there’s nothing wrong with it.

    Anyway, the foto is too small to see the faces.

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  339. I am married to a man who is sometimes alpha and sometimes beta. We have been together for seven years and I know him. I have seen every characteristic that I have loved and hated in every single man I have ever known in my life manifest itself in the character of my husband. I love him despite knowing him… all of his faults all of his moments of dominance and even when he seems too clingy like the man in the photo or too proud and arrogant and beefs himself up like the other man in the photo. Truly at each moment that is his true character. He is not fake. I could not stand him three years ago, but I was and am always faithful and have never withheld sex from him. He is maturing into a wise and giving person less and less of the taker he once was. He is growing up to say the least and learning that life isn’t about what you can get out of life, your wife, and in the bedroom. He is developing into a true man of character and is learning the true meaning of loving another person. I stick with him, I pray for him, I bear with him through the bad times, and I laugh and smile with him through the good times. My point is, if he were to die or divorce me or whatever, I will absolutely never give my body to another person. Life is not about sex. I know all of the tricks, the flirtations, the moves, and I will never fall for it again. One growing experience is enough for a lifetime and I will absolutely never go through the hell that made my man, ‘my’ man again! Thank God for answering my prayers with this one, and it is still not easy being in a relationship. The apostle Paul is the wisest person to ever live for giving the advice that is far better to be single than to be married, if you are not given to the lusts of the flesh. There is not a man on earth that could win my heart because at the end of the day, the only man that could ever win my heart is a man like the apostle Paul and guess what, he ‘ain’t gettin’ married and he certainly isn’t moved by the half-naked, makeup caked, haughty eyed, loose women walking the streets, except to help restore them to some form of dignity by telling them the truth. Someone needs to tell you men the truth, and the fact is, you are selfish, indulgent, and your mind is always scheming for your next meal. I would love to help women realize the emptiness of dressing to attract you men who will never care enough to help fulfill her emotional needs, but unfortunately they will only listen to the truth from a father, who was never really a father to her and never told her the truth. If your a father be a good father to your daughters and tell her the truth, save her from Godless men. If you are a Godless man, the only way to find God is through Jesus Christ. Become the man that he intended you to be and forget the alpha beta omega whatever crap.

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  340. Amen.

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  341. “Beta Male” does not mean what you think it means.

    The “Alpha Male” is the top dog, the “Beta Male” is the number two, the lieutenant, the second in command. He acts as the Alpha when the Alpha is not around, and becomes the Alpha if the Alpha dies or is removed.

    Think Sonny Corleone in the Godfather, James Caan’s character. Sonny didn’t take crap from anyone, except his pop, Don Vito, the Alpha of the family.

    I think this is being confused with A-Type and B-Type personalities, which is different. People may have an A-Type personality or a B-Type. But, a pack will rank in a line of succession from top to bottom. Biologist studying the pack will note three positions, the top “Alpha”, the second “Beta”, and the bottom the “Omega”

    Fredo was the Omega.

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