Pre-Sex Offers That Sound Too Good To Be True

A reader who wishes to remain anonymous asked:

I met a 8.5 girl online (physically I’m a 6.5).  She’s extremely aloof, ignores half my texts.  Likely never LTR material. We’ve made out, nothing more.  Her interest waxes and wanes.  She planned a trip to Central America without me, leaving very soon, casually invited me.  I’ve never really traveled abroad.  I’m fast-tracking my passport and scuba certification.  I offered a nice hotel, she insisted on hostels to “meet people.”  I don’t want to feel like a novice or tag-along.  How do I prepare fast so that I can lead, demonstrate value, enjoy the trip, and build heat between us?

Short Answer: Don’t go.

This reminds me of a similar story I once heard from a friend. He, too, had sorta, kinda hooked up with a hot chick, except he did it in person while on vacation. They shared a make-out, but nothing more. After returning home to their respective countries, she invited him to visit her in her hometown. He opened his wallet, boarded a plane, took a cab from the airport to her place, crashed on her couch, and came back home two weeks later angry, bitter and pissed about ever having gone. She hadn’t put out at all. He wasted money and vacation time on illusory pussy.

He thought by taking her up on her offer of a two week vacation in her backyard she was basically offering sexy funtime. A sensible conclusion for any man to draw, but unfortunately girls are anything but sensible creatures. Unless you are the Don Juan of game, any “innocent” meeting (in her mind) that hints at a contrived pretext for sex will put a woman on guard. Not to mention, a man totally betas himself by going out of his way to spend money and fly to meet a woman on her turf in the tacit expectation of sex.

For these reasons I suggest you don’t bother going if banging her is your primary goal. She will smell that and make the path to her pussy arduous and labyrinthine indeed. Your trip will be miserable, as a result. If, on the other hand, you can honestly tell yourself that banging her would just be a welcome complement to a trip in which your primary focus is scuba diving and hitting on chicks in hostels, then by all means take her up on her offer as a TRAVEL COMPANION. But beware the danger in assuming she will be anything more than a platonic tour buddy.

Now if you had already had sex with her multiple times, I’d advise the opposite: clearly she was smitten by your bedroom prowess and offered the trip to monopolize more of your lovin’.

As for the travel preparedness details, don’t worry so much about that. Attitude is key. Go with a devil-may-care air of whimsy and enjoy your time in a foreign land with someone who will buy you tropical drinks. If you’re worried about seeming like a tag-along, make sure you have reservations to do some things on your own. Read up on the place, so you aren’t stuck in a situation where she’s telling you about all the good restaurants, clubs and beaches. If you have to leave her behind once in a while to do something you like but she doesn’t, do it. You have to act like this is as much your vacation as it is hers.





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  1. I smell loser, who is going to be manipulated and disappointed.

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    • Theoretically, he can come with her to a hostel and get her wet by attracting and/or banging other girls.

      But that ERRONEOUSLY assumes he has some game because a non-millionaire guy who goes out of his way to shell out money for a passport, plane ticket, and hotel for the off-chance to fuck a girl he’s only made out with, reeks of DESPERATION & lack of options.

      Seems like SHE’S the one with game.

      She’s looking for a puppy dog to tag along to provide a bit of white-knight security in a foreign Central American country & to elevate her status above other traveling (read: foreign cock-sampling) girls by provoking male competition over her pussy.

      Plus, she has no plans of fucking him, which is why she WISELY turned down his offer of a hotel room. Once she finds a suitable local or tourist to show her around, she’s off to the next leg (or cock) of her trip without him.

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      • Good point Anon. I was going to say he should just go, pretend he’s dragging his bratty kid sister along on vacation, and hit on chicks at the hostel (hey, she was the one who wanted to “meet people”, after all). But then, why go there at all? Go somewhere HE wants to go and do the same thing, minus the chick who isn’t going to wing for him anyway. Or, like Flahute says, counter-offer with his own destination (for which she’s paying her own way).

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  2. Dude, don’t go. The only appropriate response is to counter-offer another trip to a location your choosing that you will lead. If she declines, say have a nice trip. Go out and find other girls.

    The subtext of her “casual” invitation is an ego validation test to see if you would abandon your life to follow her to foreign lands just to compete with other men for her pussy. You go, you lose. She will fuck the Swiss kayaker who games her at the hostel right in front of you.

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    • I would go, not care what she does, and just hit on otehr chicks at the hostel.

      Who cares about this one girl anyway?

      If your desire for the trip is solely to bang her, forgetaboutit.

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  3. If this is an opportunity to go on a trip for you that you may never get to go on again, I say go. While you’re there pay very little attention to this girl and meet other girls in the hostiles. She will either dump you flat out, and you would miss out on nothing anyway, or she will be all over you.

    She is expecting you to be a tag along and do whatever her heart desires. You are going to piss her off and intrigue the hell out of her if you just go off and do your own thing. Even if she is not that attracted to you, if you go for your own trip she is going to get jealous and well . . . then your in.

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    • If I were foolish enough to try this, I’d bring a buddy and plan a hiking/camping trip or something away from the beaches and clubs. Meet up with her somewhere with tales of glory, and you might have a shot. (I wouldn’t even stay in the same hostel, because as soon as she catches you scratching your nuts, it’s over.)

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      • The trip itself is the girl’s frame. Walking into it is one big failure of frame. Chasing a vague promise of tail over international waters is just that.

        He ought to take his money to a local low-key club and just spend an extra buck on the first 7 who doesn’t avoid eye contact for a much surer prospect.

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      • +1

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      • The trip itself is the girl’s frame.

        No it’s not. This guy likely does not have game, but if he does, it is not that difficult to pull all of the frame away from her. He gets on the plane and says, “Look, this is what I have planned. You coming with?” If not, he does his thing. If yes, then he continues with the same for the rest of the trip. There is absolutely no reason he has to stay in her frame just because he got on a plane with her.

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      • Bah, King A beat me to it. He wrote this far better below.

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    • Stingray wrote: “…meet other girls in the hostiles.”

      Other girls in the hostiles sounds like an eventful trip.

      “…expecting you to be a tag along…”

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  4. ” She planned a trip to Central America without me, leaving very soon, casually invited me. I’ve never really traveled abroad. I’m fast-tracking my passport and scuba certification. I offered a nice hotel, she insisted on hostels to “meet people.””

    Already, we know that she’s not very interested in him. She’s just inviting him to appear nice, not because she wants to spend time with him.

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  5. The writer is right to be wary. Traveling and showing up with a raging boner to a chick who’s friendzoned you is going to be a bad time. In this case, it sounds like you may be a trusted eunuch bodyguard as she surf’s foreign cock. If you do it, follow the host’s advice and be prepared to have fun and not beta hover. But what is a casual invitation to travel? How did you just make out and not progress? Were you shot down rounding the bases? Do you flirt online now?

    I don’t know, I think she’s luring him south of the border to steal his kidney.

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    • “it sounds like you may be a trusted eunuch bodyguard as she surf’s foreign cock”

      Great comment and this is all the reader needs to know.

      Do not go! This will be your fate! Not convinced by the suggestions that he should go, but make sure he doesn’t become her hanger-on. Of course, while it is preferable to going and being led around as her poodle, judging from his post to CH, I am nowhere near confident that he could do this. He’ll end up dropping for the bar/resturant tab nightly in the faint hope of getting some and only leave her side when she sneaks off to fuck a local.

      To the reader: you would gain so much more by deleting any thought of her from your mind, saving your cash and going hostelling somewhere by yourself. Being thrown into a foreign enviroment alone will place you out of your comfort zone and force you to engage with people. You’ll come back a better and stronger man.

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    • A+

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    • +1
      it sounds like she wants a male chaperone. Is this her first trip abroad alone? In some parts of the world attractive women traveling by themselves will receive uncomfortable amounts of attention on the streets. This guy is being invited along as a security blanket. Was he planning to pay for the nice hotel?

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      • Yep, that’s exactly what he is going to be. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of her girlfriends had suggested, as an after thought, that she ask him to come along as a chaperone – since she didn’t think to invite him initially. Remember, her trip is to Central America not feminist-oriented Western Europe.

        Personally, I’d say “thanks, but no thanks. Have a nice trip….” He will show backbone and probably have a better shot at closing the deal when she comes back.

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  6. Can’t even believe you’re considering going in the first place. You weren’t even included in her initial plans, you’re simply an add-on. I’m sure she couldn’t care less if you declined the “invite.” In fact, if you were to join her, you’d more than likely end up rather frustrated and resentful of her as she is bedded by random guys. Salvage some modicum of your masculine dignity and don’t go.

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  7. Hey guys. Need some advice. There is this girl in Ukraine. I banged at least 30 tumes before proposing.

    What I would like to know is this: Is there any way to have her as mu wife and yet be able to bang other women? I want to have a family and kids, but there is still the strong desire to dominate and conquer.

    Also, I’m currently a cube dweller and hate it. I want to strike out on my own, any good business ventures to go into? Thinking of making my own calling card company.

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    • Two options:

      – Be up front and frank with her about your needs. Include it in the proposal. Reassure her that she would be your number one and that it could never change your love for her, the value you put on the marriage and potential kids. Explain that it may not be conventional, but you are not a conventional person and can only be marriage if this is how it was to go down. Also, explain that any infidelity on her side will end things instantly.

      – Learn to cheat and cheat well and if she ever catches you remember to never back down, placate or apologise. http://www.rooshv.com/girlfriend-cheating-tips

      In addition, you are a fool for considering marriage after thirty fucks.

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      • on December 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm Aloha Gandules

        When you’re pushing into new territory, you can’t be afraid of failure. If you marry her, you’ll be afraid of failure. If you can’t make a girlfriend gladly put up with infidelity, you’ll never make a wife put up with it. You’re getting way ahead of yourself. I predict you’ll have this Ukrainian girl’s dick up your ass in no time flat. Happy landing!

        Starting your own company means working 60-80 hour weeks for less money and no security. Also, there’s no division of labor. You’re responsible for handling all the stuff you hate dealing with. In a cube job, there’s HR, accounting, sales, marketing, and all the other departments, and you just do the stuff you’re good at. If you’re running the whole show, you’ll spend at least half your time on the stuff you hate, maybe 90%.

        If you want to start a company, do it because you love work so much you get up early in the morning to do more work because you just fucking love working more than anything in the world. If that’s not where you’re at, starting a company is the second stupidest thing you will ever do in your life. The first stupidest is marrying some Ukrainian bitch because you fucked her 30 times.

        The third stupidest would be bringing a 200-lb carry-on bag full of smack, liquor, and torah scrolls into Saudi Arabia with a “Fuck Allah” t-shirt and a yarmulke with a full-color picture of two trannies fucking King Fahd printed on it.

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      • on December 5, 2011 at 3:06 pm Aloha Gandules

        I do that torah-smack shit for kicks, and the Saudis kiss my ass because I have a bigger dick than they do. I don’t recommend it for amateurs.

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      • Uhh… yes… starting a business is difficult… I know… the end-goal is to not have to work for someone else or retire early.

        Or just learn how to trade currencies on Forex.

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      • 30 girls or 30 tumes with this girl?

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    • More like a month of actual banging. I’m in US and she is in Europe and she was the first obe to bring up the idea of a relationship. I was kinda chilling and enjoying the sex. After about 3 months I gave her a ring (no, no diamond, it wad cheaper than a low end laptop).

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      • This gets worse and worse. 1. You’ve proposed after thirty fucks. 2. You are engaged without discussing your true feelings. 3. You’re on different continents.

        The cost of the ring does not matter. What matters is that you thought to do all of the above.

        Here is the harsh truth of the camera’s eye: You’re desperate. So desperate in fact that you clinged onto the the first girl that would spread for you or the first pretty piece of arse that you’ve had. Realise this. You need to X this girl from your life and start meeting more women. After you’ve had a few and realise you can get a few you will never act in this silly way ever again.

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      • ‘but she’s not like other girls, she’s different’…

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      • For the love of Zeus, are you serious? How could anyone come to this site and say such things? It is like going to dailykos.com and wondering if you should sign up for the Romney campaign.

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      • FTW

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      • I don’t know. Mitt is pretty much a Democrat anyway, so I think his chance is even worse.

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    • How about just putting toy store rings on a bunch of your Ukrainian mail-order brides & keep on banging them without ever marrying them?

      Or introducing them to Mormonism.

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    • Umm… troll?

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  8. this guy doesn’t realize there’s a bigger play available. hes got an attractive woman willing to be a wing. I’ve taken up foreign invites from female friends and it is unreal how easy it is to pick up (as in, half the time youll have girls coming up and literally rubbing up next to you) as a foreigner with the social proof of a woman on your arm.

    and heres the thing: once she sees the dude attracting other girls/hooking up with him, there’s a decent likelihood that shell want in on it as well.

    [Heartiste: True. This is the best reason to go: a hot winggirl who will hit all those preselection buttons. In fact, he should make his agreement to go on this trip contingent upon her cooperation as a pivot.]

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    • This is a valid point, but one has to wonder if the reader writing in could shake his desires and go with this mindset.

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      • agreed. its fairly clear that he is far from where he should be regarding attitude and aptitude. that said, he is a reader of the blog. that, in conjunction with going (even if he gets harshly rejected) might be a transformative experience. its certainly better to learn with women by being thrust out of one’s comfort zone and enduring a trial & error gauntlet, than to stay at home and over-think it.

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      • That’s what I was thinking. I don’t think this guy has what it takes to maintain an alpha frame the entire trip. He shouldn’t go.

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      • #1

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    • Could be a cool save. Some subtle convincing will make some fun.

      Her: So you really want to come?
      Him: I’m looking for an adventure
      Her: cool
      Him: So, how do you want to workout the wingman/wingwoman deal? I take the first friday as the lead, you take Saturday sounds great to me
      Her: uhhhhh wingman and wingwoman?
      Him: yeah it sounds like a great experience to meet some interesting women (sub women with people?)
      Her: yeah…yeah it does I guess

      I just typed that up and I think it makes for a much stronger frame on his part to not appear as though he is going for her. It also gives him a chance to show his game if he has any, thereby building his value to her if he can actually get some girls.

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    • Not going to happen with this dude. He has oneitis for her. The ONLY reason he’s thinking about going is to get into her pants. He doesn’t want to go on the trip to hit on other women.

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  9. on December 5, 2011 at 1:42 pm Aloha Gandules

    He needs to pre-emptively LJBF her from square one and go straight to using her as a pre-selection prop, like, starting in the airport. It’s his best bet at getting in her pussy, but more importantly it’s his best bet at getting other pussy. Once they’re in-country, she’ll be hopping on all the dick at the hostels, and he’ll be a third wheel. He’s putting himself in a wicked weak position by going on her trip on her terms. I think anybody with enough game to come out on top in that deal wouldn’t be wasting his time on this lukewarm bint to begin with.

    But what the hell, you gotta challenge yourself to grow.

    Also, is he sure the invitation was even serious? She may have thought it was obviously not meant to be accepted.

    Also,

    If you have to leave her behind once in a while to do something you like but she doesn’t

    FIFY: “You absolutely must leave her behind regularly to do something you like but she doesn’t”. She’ll be leaving him behind to do stuff, so he’d better be doing it first, and at least as often.

    And finally: “I’ve never really traveled abroad” != “I’m fast-tracking my passport”. If you don’t have a passport, you have REALLY NEVER traveled abroad. Don’t equivocate, it’s weak.

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  10. 101% correct! This is a “riot act” which needs to be read to every young man: Do not, repeat not, go running to a woman, do not travel more than an hour’s drive to meet her. It opens you up for all their stupid little games.

    [free plug]

    I did an entire web site on this sort of thing, Games Women Play:

    http://home.earthlink.net/~jamiranda/GWP2.html

    [/free plug]

    Thing is, too many guys do not want to listen to the truth, or at least not listen to it until they have been come out on the losing end of these games.

    Keep spreading the Word!

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  11. Firepower says:
    Online Sex is Fleeting as
    An Orgasm by Own Handy
    – But Way More Expensive

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    • I’m with you, online sex is for the birds.

      pick up chicks in real life separates the men from the boys.

      loser hipsters might be fine lavishing POF chicks with compliments all day, for an eventual chance encounter or plutonic trip to freaking mexico

      I’d rather just goto wholefoods and run daygame, get a number, drink date, close, rinse and repeat.

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  12. “I offered a nice hotel, she insisted on hostels to “meet people.”

    my cock weeps for you.

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    • GBFM, your posts are always both interesting and bizarre. Why have you chosen to write in the style you have?

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      • Because he’s a comedian in the purest sense and canny enough to know he can’t sell his brand of moralizing in any other way.

        We got a couple of these rhetorically aggressive Gantry types on this site.

        Gotta have some flash and dash when you’re trying to run long con, even on the yokels.

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      • Links to Lady Gaga == Gay.

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      • Sorry. I usually avoid “battles of wits” with unarmed people.

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    • Agree, you could just compile these blog posts (and some of the comments) if nothing else. I’ll supply your first blurb: “Heartiste is the Edward R. Murrow of the Fuck ‘n’ Chuck Cold War”.

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        make sure he doesn’t
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  14. I think you have the story backwards, In the case of your friend he met the girl on vacation. We know how women s minds are on vacation. In this case the guy meets a girl in his hometown who is being invited on vacation. If the girl doesn’t find a guy she likes there’s a very good chance that she is going to sleep with him, but then there are other complications that can arise. If the girl goes home with some other guy leaving the guy in this story completely jealous.

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    • “If the girl doesn’t find a guy she likes”

      Does not compute. SHE IS GOING ON HOLIDAY!

      “She’s extremely aloof, ignores half my texts.” Indicates that she does not have the slightest interest. An interested woman would cross hot coals to get to her man. He is the ‘trusted eunuch bodyguard’ on this holiday.

      “I offered a nice hotel, she insisted on hostels to “meet people.”” Let’s look at this for a second. He offered to drop the cash money for a hotel room. Sharing a hotel room is intimate. He knows this, she knows this. She dropped a lead weight on it instantly. If she, for a second, thought he was a possibility, she would not have vetoed the idea.

      These together suggests that she wants cock other than his.

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      • I know a guy, beta in the purest sense who sleeps with strippers on a regular basis. The strippers are so comfortable around this guy, they are drunk and in a moment of weakness let him take advantage of them. Soon enough the following week they have tight game as in playing aloof, not returning txts, pretending sex didnt happen only to leave beta confused and perplexed. He then invests a hell load of time in supplicating to them and the they get comfortable then drunk and the pattern continues. bizarre but true. So if the guy is just looking to get laid he might give it a shot, you never know in a moment of weakness when the girl is going to cave in

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      • If he’s fucking strippers (without spending money on them), I would suggest he’s less beta than you think. More of a stealth alpha.

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      • Agreed. He sounds like he knows what buttons to hit.

        To suggest the reader who posted in should drop the money and go on this girl’s holiday in the hope of catching her offguard while drunk and then going for the shag is a strange one. I’d suggest that anyone going in with this plan has lost from the get go. Besides, she’s pretty and going hostelling in the hope of ‘meeting people.’ She’ll have offers and interest coming from every angle. If she want’s a fuck, she’ll never have a night go by on this trip where she has to resort to him.

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  15. I say go. Every man needs to experience foreign travel. It will open your eyes and if you’re like me you’ll always be wanting more. Also I guarantee that you hook up with a gorgeous feminine foreign chick, you’ll care a whole lot less about the chick you went down there with in the first place. You can only learn from this. Whether it’s a painful lesson filled with the sounds of your female friend’s cock riding or a joyful lesson filled vaginal conquest is up to you. Either way you’ll get the awesome experience of visiting another country.

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  16. So true. I was burned on this twice, and I scored once when a chick wanted to come to a place I was visiting.

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  17. How about this very simple piece of advice:

    Fuck you before you go.

    If she gets down, all’s well. If not, she’s done.

    What’s the problem here?

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  18. This trip will be a disaster.

    There’s nothing in that email that indicates going with her would be any more advantageous than going alone.

    Yes, some adept players could weave jealousy plots or pivot angles, but the naive tone of this email betrays massive betatude.

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    • There’s nothing in that email that indicates going with her would be any more advantageous than going alone.

      Precisely. This trip has a million possible bad endings and maybe 1 possible good ending.

      Lousy odds. Go where *you* want to go and make the arrangements *you* want to make.

      Oh, and if she speaks Spanish and you don’t:

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  19. Fuck *her* before you go.

    And fuck you too. 😉

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  20. How about telling her you plan on going and not showing up. Just leave it at that. Let the hamster… hamster.

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  21. Money quote to prove he’ll never get any: “to meet people.”

    Hint: It ain’t him.

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    she didn’t tell me she had one, ofund out later but no matter

    so we go up to da room and we get dinner and I NOTICE A HOT HOT HOT HOTTIEE girl at the desk!!!! lzozzlzoozlo

    so after dinner and drinks we get back and HOT HOT HOTTIE is night desk girl!!!

    so we go up to room and bang bang bagidity-bang bang yah felels good! lzozlzlzozozozz

    den i say “hey i’m gonna get us some ice cause its so hot in here.’

    and i RUN down and get hot hotel desk girls EMAIL talking to her about teh book she’s reaidng dante’s inferno because i am A GBFM master i can pick up any girl reidng anythning no problemz lzozlzlzlz

    and i tell her i am in town with my sister for a funeral zlzozlzozlzoz

    so next day i fuck and suck with the girl i cam ewith and cummed with then at the beach doggy style undernath a blanket in rmeote spot yah zlzolzlzll den we go home zlzoz

    den two weeks later i email front desk girl i will be in town again zllzlzooz and aks if she wants to meet up she says yes

    so i drive down again and its dinner and drinks with far hoter hoteldesk girl omg she is goddess ghot coleleg cutuee lzozlzozo

    and she has keys to empty mastuer suite master suite at the hotel

    so we break da rules

    and sneak into da luxuiressssss luxury and she lets me down hpon her nibbling yummy yummy and she’;ss down on me and spllogegeeieiegieg and then we fuck a couple timesss zlzozllzlzzlzl

    so long story short, this is how you travel with girls,

    and the next day,on th ebach on teh beach i saw a hot girl in a black bikini so i
    sat down next to her
    and got her number after talking to her about da milton’s aoradise lost she was reaindg

    and i put her number in my glove compartment as i had to drive on back home

    and then zlzolzlz six month later i am driving down for business

    hotel deks girl is hgone gone she moved off for school

    but then
    i remmeber
    the number in my
    gklove compartment lzozlzlz and
    it;s stille tehree there!!!!

    so i call teh girl call the girl
    six months after i got her number
    and of course
    when you use the six month rule
    der pussy pussy is dripping for six months
    so mwe meet up for drinks and clinks lzozlzlzl

    and she is hot hottie

    and i slpip her black oanties aisde an d i am inside going in and out in and out in and out lzozozllzoz

    splooogieieieieieieieiie!!!

    as shakespeare said, all’s well that ends well no lzozozlzing!!!

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    • on December 5, 2011 at 3:39 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

      so you see dat i managed my risk and got three lays for da price of one who had a boyfrinedd lzozllzlzlzlzlzzoz

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    • and sneak into da luxuiressssss luxury and she lets me down hpon her nibbling yummy yummy and she’;ss down on me and spllogegeeieiegieg and then we fuck a couple timesss zlzozllzlzzlzl

      ” spllogegeeieiegieg ” = GBFMspeak for “yadda yadda yadda”

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  23. on December 5, 2011 at 3:40 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM)

    two gbfm ruelss:

    1. if there is going to be another guy, i am going to be him.
    2. i don’t mind sharing if you don’t mind going second.

    lzozozoozzlzozo

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  24. Back when I was in college I was in similar situation- girl I made out with invited me on a trip, and hinted (or at least I took the hint) that something was going to happen. We actually went to a cool place… I think. All I paid attention to was her, and all she paid attention to was everyone else, and how I could help her pay for stuff. It was probably the reason I was invited. That was years ago- before I knew better.

    I believe in the value of female friends these days, so I never push them away because they can be extreme “social proof” if you know how to use them to get you other girls. If you are in the friendzone, they will actually help you, and usually gladly, to get other women. But that means you have to be detached, as the post said, and enjoy yourself and your environment and not get hyperfocused on her… no girl is worth hyperfocus that ends in the demise of your manhood. I have visited (and still visit) female friends at their homes in other cities and used them and their houses as social equity and a base of operations. Nothing beats loyal women friends in getting you play from new territories!

    I have actually played the reverse play than this chick too- got a woman to finance my trip! Of course, I also had a willing partner whenever I needed as well, if the “natives” didn’t pan out. You can create loyal beta chicks just like they do to us (or try to), if you are high enough value. Loyal female “friends” are simply a great asset.

    So this dude can go if he has the right mindset, as as long as he ONLY pays for himself and is detached, completely, from the idea that he will every get anything off of her other than an aloof attitude that keeps his wallet pried open while she screws the natives. But more than likely he is way to attached and focused on her, and will lovingly play the part of the beta, no matter how hard he might try not to on the trip…

    It is likely that the real reason she wants him to go, and entices him with the wafting smells of sexuality, is that she needs someone to finance the trip. If not you, then some other sucker…

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  25. Back when I was in college I was in similar situation- girl I made out with invited me on a trip, and hinted (or at least I took the hint) that something was going to happen. We actually went to a cool place… I think. All I paid attention to was her, and all she paid attention to was everyone else, and how I could help her pay for stuff. It was probably the reason I was invited. That was years ago- before I knew better.

    I believe in the value of female friends these days, so I never push them away because they can be extreme “social proof” if you know how to use them to get you other girls. If you are in the friendzone, they will actually help you, and usually gladly, to get other women. But that means you have to be detached, as the post said, and enjoy yourself and your environment and not get hyperfocused on her… no girl is worth hyperfocus that ends in the demise of your manhood. I have visited (and still visit) female friends at their homes in other cities and used them and their houses as social equity and a base of operations. Nothing beats loyal women friends in getting you play from new territories!

    I have actually played the reverse play than this chick too- got a woman to finance my trip! Of course, I also had a willing partner whenever I needed as well, if the “natives” didn’t pan out. You can create loyal beta chicks just like they do to us (or try to), if you are high enough value. Loyal female “friends” are simply a great asset.

    So this dude can go if he has the right mindset, as as long as he ONLY pays for himself and is detached, completely, from the idea that he will every get anything off of her other than an aloof attitude that keeps his wallet pried open while she screws the natives. But more than likely he is way to attached and focused on her, and will lovingly play the part of the beta, no matter how hard he might try not to on the trip…

    It is likely that the real reason she wants him to go, and entices him with the wafting smells of sexuality, is that she needs someone to finance the trip. If not you, then some other sucker…

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  26. “meet people” = meet guys

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  27. Traveling with a chick is generally a bad idea, even after a fuck close. Except if one is suffering a numbing case of early oneitis, I don’t see a reason to travel with a chick during the early stages of a relationship.

    Shit, one has to be careful even in the advanced stages of a relationship. I see this traveling together thing as a huge concession, a beta move LTR-wise, just like a romantic date or… a proposal.

    Make her travel for your cock. Traveling for pussy is beta.

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    • > Traveling with a chick is generally a bad idea,

      Well, depends on the chick.

      One that has the same taste in women you do and preys on the threesome bicurious, they’re even better to travel with than to have at home, because their Instant Pickup Magic works even across languages. Somehow.

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  28. offered a nice hotel? WTF. This guy sounds hopeless. There is no way he has the skills to use this girl for preselection.Ovid is right! Tell her you plan on going and then don’t show up.

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    • Could not agree more. Especially since he hasn’t done ANY traveling abroad, let alone solo. Wasting your first experience on the extremely low chance of hooking up with some broad you’ve 1) only made out with and 2) casually invited is beyond try-hard. He goes with and loses ANY chance of ever seeing this broad with her pants off and, in my opinion, most of his self-respect.

      He deserves better. Make the Ovid play. Tell her you’re going. Book a trip to South America. When she contacts you afterwards asking you what happened tell her central America wasn’t exotic enough, the native chicks are too indigenous looking for your liking and then regale her with stories of all the blow you did and Venezolanas you penetrated.

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  29. on December 5, 2011 at 3:48 pm Science demonstrates that the average person can spot personality flaws

    Dude, don’t get led around by some hottie trying to prove your beta status. Here’s proof that untrained individuals are capable of spotting personality flaws:

    http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-244X-5-45.pdf

    Narcissistic and Borderline personality girls are by far the worst about this kind of shit in my experience. Be forewarned and don’t get the one-itis.

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  30. offering sexy funtime

    One of the hazards of being a grade school teacher is that one often finds themselves speaking to adults in the same manner as they would address a child.

    You, likewise, are beginning to use chick terminology when addressing a group of men, and it is – frankly – a bit stomach turning.

    “Sexy funtime”… *shudders* I’m suddenly imagining you as a sixteen year old tart who refers to her nether regions as either “hoo hah” or “vajayjay.”

    [Heartiste: I daresay, good lady, that if you are addressing roomfuls of children on the topic of sexy funtime you have more to be scandalized by than the capricious use of middlebrow slang on an internet blog.]

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  31. Never visit or call this woman ever again.

    Really, have nothing to do with her.

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  32. I have to say no. Because if you’re paying for the trip yourself, then kind of by definition this isn’t an “opportunity” for anything. If you want to go to Honduras or wherever, you can go when you want. Going with this chick is only an opportunity to be with her. If she hasn’t had sex with you on home territory, it’s doubtful going to Honduras or wherever is going to change that.

    So forget it. Have a nice trip of your own someplace. Maybe ask her if she wants to come along and share your bed.

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  33. Until I’ve done the nasty
    I don’t put out.

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  34. This sounds like he’s being pushed into the Friendzone…

    She’s already controling the trip by suggesting they stay in hostels while he suggests hotels….

    Hostels = not easy to bang a chick, separate rooms etc.

    This is a casual invite where the girl is totally in control.

    Reverse this…would a girl actually go with a guy she barely knew let alone stay in hotels with him?

    Hang out with here in your home town/country and see where it goes, otherwise wish her well.

    I’ve been in situations where I’ve arranged to take classes and other activities with girls IN my city…it raises expectations to the point of awkwardness and kills any sexual vibe.

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  35. The only time you should go with a chick on vacation is if you’re either already banging her or if she’s a true bro-chick. They exist but they’re so rare that they may as well be non-existant, so the point stands: if you’re not fucking her, don’t go on vacation with her. Better to take a guy friend with whom you can both go out and score chicks. Chances are your interests will also overlap more.

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    • Agree completely, or just travel alone. Vacation with a chick you are already banging = relaxing.

      Vacation alone or wiht buddy to go score new chicks = crazy adventure.

      Vacation with chick you haven’t banged yet and you are a beta male = snooze festival with great chance of blueballs

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  36. on December 5, 2011 at 7:24 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    DO! NOT! GO!

    First of all, it’s Beta to tag along when a woman “books” a trip. Book your own trip and ask a girl you’d like to go with. Control the frame. Control the trip.

    Odds are she asked you to leech money off of you. Stand your ground and say no. I’ve been burned in situations like this before and don’t like to see it happen to other guys.

    If you really wanna get laid, you’re gonna need to turn her down for this and reframe the whole thing, which might mean getting a g/f or some other female interest so she’s in your rotation, not the other way around.

    I’m still burning from a crappy beach trip this summer. Don’t make my mistake.

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    • When you turn her down, make sure you tell her not to get laid on the trip or you won’t be interested when she comes back. If she argues, she’s a feminist and the argument itself might get you some without bothering with the trip itself.

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  37. Never travel for pussy. The fact that you have to travel for it is what makes them know you’re not worth putting out for when you get there.

    After you guys have had full out sex, it’s not so bad, if you’re not putting yourself out and if you know she’ll make it up to you, go for it. But this chick isn’t into you at all, she’s going to be sucking cock all over hostel while you E-Mail the Chateau asking how to out-alpha the guy who just jizzed all over her face in the bed next to you.

    I learned this the hard way multiple times, like most guys do. Went along with an invite from a chick to whatever her plans were, was treated to imaginary pussy and frustration. The worst was a chick who invited me across the city to some shit-hole bar (no car so it was 2 bus trips and a 10 min walk to get there) on a Saturday night where I had to ditch plans with friends to go (figured it was a sure thing, we had made out hardcore before), and she showed up with her co-workers, one of whom she had a crush on and was flirting with all night in front of me after ignoring the shit out of me. The bar was dead so I couldn’t even hit on other girls. When I walked out halfway through the night she was like “But aren’t you going to make sure I get home?” I told her to eat shit and hopped a cab to where my friends were and drank my face off with them.

    I wouldn’t even recommend you go with the intention of hitting on hostel girls and doing stuff on your own. She won’t wing for you, she’ll cockblock you because she wants all the attention of all her orbiters. And you ARE an orbiter, your entire E-Mail reeks of it. That’s not an insult, we were all there and we all fall back into it here and there, just know where you stand and GTFO of it.

    Take that same money and go with a dude friend instead. You guys can drink, shoot the shit, and hit the clubs and help eachother find pussy to go scubadiving with. And go to Vegas instead. lol

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    • “Never travel for pussy. The fact that you have to travel for it is what makes them know you’re not worth putting out for when you get there”

      God, this is the most money thing someone has said so far. I wonder why this is not a Chateau Maxim

      [Heartiste: It is now.
      ps it should come with clarification that one should never travel for any specific pussy that one has not yet banged. Traveling to meet foreign women is totally ok.]

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      • Huh. I thought it was this —

        “But aren’t you going to make sure I get home?” I told her to eat shit and hopped a cab to where my friends were and drank my face off with them.

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      • traveling to meet foreign women is beyond okay. Also having leads set up in the city before you get there is cool as well. Then you don’t have to worry about running daygame as soon as you land jetlagged as hell.

        Maxim: Thou shall never travel more than 5 miles for pussy. The fact that you have to travel usually means you won’t get any pussy. Futhermore, for any trip over 5 miles with a woman, one specifc vagina not yet banged shall not accompany you as a travel buddy.

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      • Let’s use the word vacation though. “Travel” doesn’t qualify as a maxim at all . I have gotten laid far too many times after being invited to hundreds of bars, multiple cities, several nearby college parties, and even a few different states that this can not be a rule.

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  38. Don’t go.

    I had a summer fling who moved to Switzerland with her family. She invited me to visit there. “Game on!” I thought.

    I spent the whole time staying at her parents’ fabulous pad, traveling around with her and not getting laid, let alone action. When I brought it up with her she said “I thought you were visiting as a friend.”

    Ouch.

    That was one of a painful lessons in the dark days before I learned game.

    Don’t go.

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    • Happens to every guy once. Once.

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    • Uh has been there.

      Met a girl in [Brazilian city] whom I knew from the internet. Real Sao Paulo, SWPL urbanite skank.

      We fucked lamely because she insisted on two condoms, as if my cock were made of real wood. Then we kicked around southern Brazil for a few days, me eating her pussy and not even getting a blowjob. Her open relationship’s one prohibition, ya see.

      After that sad business, she invited me to her parents’ house on the outskirts of SP, and as slavish as a kicked whelp I went, spending a miserable fuck-free weekend watching her ignore me and speaking broken German to the unlovely exchange student from Cuntsburg.

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  39. Dude, you are so steeped in beta at this point that your future suffering is pretty much written in stone.

    Your only hope, is to clearly decide that you’ll have a frank discussion with her in the airport. That you expect her to be your wingman in payment for you providing her with protection from unwanted men. Because you aren’t getting anything at all from her, beyond the barest possible minimum to keep you strung along.

    On the other hand, you can use a hot woman to provide social proof to the local women. And other tourists. A hot woman makes the easiest and best wingman, if they are properly managed. Even if you don’t properly manage it, you can score some before your betaness starts tripping you up.

    If she can’t agree in the airport, calmly walk to the counter and get as much of a refund as you can on your airfare. Or you’ll look back on this trip for years as one of the stupidest things you’ve even done.

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  40. >casually invited me
    >casually invited
    >casually

    She doesn’t really want you there bud, she was being nice.

    The guy has Ø game.

    Never travel more than 50 miles for sex, at the very outside. And that’s for a sure thing.

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  41. She’s extremely aloof, ignores his text, has only made out with him and her interest waxes.

    He’s still trying to snag a girl who’s not interested in him, he’s obviously lacking in skills.
    So the calls for him to ditch her and pull woman on the trip is laughable.

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    • He’s still likely to go regardless of the obvious signs and the good advice he received in these comments. Sometimes people need to learn the hard way….

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  42. The problem I first detected was that he worded his post to you like a beta. I he does that with you, imagine how pouty and mopey he is with her. She extended the invite without a second thought. She doesn’t respond to his texts unless she wants to. I bet her invitation was along the lines of “I’m going to X, you should think about going, it will be fun.” One of the things on her agenda is “meeting people.” Her plan is a week or two of uninhibited rides on the cock carousel with no one from home to keep score. I would go so far as to say she doesn’t want him to come at all, she was being nice. He’s already been judged a beta. She’ll never fuck him.

    OTOH, had she said “I’m going to X, I really want you to come with me…” He’d be in a better position. If she were not only responding to ALL of his texts, but actually sending more than he responds to, he could go. But if she were doing this, she’d be fucking him already and he wouldn’t be asking for advice.

    What a chump. Fast tracking (you can do this, the cost is significantly higher) his passport to go on a sexless vacation.

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  43. This just in from Jizzebel:

    Woman Lets Match.com Dates Pay For All Of Her Dinners

    http://jezebel.com/5863621/woman-lets-matchcom-dates-pay-for-all-of-her-dinners

    *Ah, but here’s the real kicker –

    …The callousness of her plan plays into the stereotype that ladies are all conniving gold-diggers — though people have no right to call her names even if she slept with every one of those dudes.

    Heartiste, you need to do a whole seperate thread on this one…

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    • lol. The best is this line:

      though people have no right to call her names
      —Again, leftists do not believe in free speech.

      even if she slept with every one of those dudes.
      —Here’s my shot across the bow: she’s a gold-digging whore.

      Suck it, feminazis.

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    • Although what the woman did was low-life and desperate, I really can’t say I feel sorry for those guys at all. The same way I don’t feel sorry for women who are strung along for sex via the elusive, ambiguous possibility for emotional intimacy, I cannot say I feel sorry for men who are strung along for gifts or emotional intimacy via the elusive, ambiguous possibility for physical intimacy.

      Of course what jezebel derived from this incident is laughable as they’re more so concerned about shaming the slut-shamers.

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      • Yup. No sympathy for either party from me as well since were talking two sides of the same dating coin… Physical Intimacy>>Emotional Intimacy or Emotional Intimacy>> Physical Intimacy

        However, the Jizzabels concern with shaming the slut shamers is more insidious than you think. Why? Because “sex without shame” ultimately allows for using pussy without social consequence… which would be a very powerful tool in their battle of the sexes… as men can’t use sex this way. That’s really why the editors printed such a half assed attempt at calling her gold digging out. Publicly they have to put up a front, but viscerally they love this bitch.

        Where do the American femcunt theorists wanna go with this… Swedish prostitution law where selling sex is legal, but buying it is not. ie. she gets money, but he gets arrested.

        You added another picture. Good girl.

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      • I agree. The feminists over at that horrid affront of a website are cackling secretly to themselves about this story. It’s obvious that most of them hate men and would derive nothing but pleasure upon hearing of a woman exploiting her sexuality to con numerous men into financing her meals for a month.

        Their preoccupation with how people are reacting to the woman tells you all you need to know despite their lame veneer of feigned indignation to her antics. Jezebel’s response is simply another attempt to further vindicate women from all responsibility of their actions, especially those sexual in nature.

        Feminists don’t live and let live, they prefer to dictate to society how to react in ways that only align with their interests.

        “It’s wrong to call her a “skank,” but she is a jerk.”
        This statement would actually be amusing if it weren’t so bloody destructive.

        Ha! Indeed I did.

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    • She’s not exactly a skank, she’s just another prostitute.
      And that should reinforce the chateau principle to never pay for dinner before the fuck close.

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  44. on December 5, 2011 at 10:18 pm Corporal Hicks

    Women actually HATE leading ANYTHING. This “independent” modern woman is going Alpha hunting, pure and simple.

    She’s sick of the betatude that surrounds her, and is setting out for the hypergamous cock carousel that will show HER a good time.

    Then she can tell all her girlfriends about how she got “her groove” back.

    They’ll be SOOOOO jealous….

    I tell you, they’re all 15 friggin’ years old, every last one of them….

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  45. This smells like “safety net” to me. She wants to have a man along so that he can bail her out of any situations she may get into, and having him along allows her to slow things down with any of the guys she meets – that way she stays in control, while this poor sucker is strung along.

    If you go, ditch her and make out with some of the local senoritas – in general American men are liked better than many of the South American men – at least in areas where their aren’t a lot of them. If you are going to an area with a lot of Americans then even that avenue isn’t open.

    Of course, if you have been having sex, the situation is completely different, but if not, and that seems to be the situation, stay away from this situation with a ten foot pole, unless you plan on striking out on your own and enjoying the vacation – make her stick close to you if she wants you as her protection. Turn the tables on her, and have fun but don’t plan on it being with her.

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  46. Had a thought the other day as I glanced across a conference room table at a lady who weighed twice what she should have and controlled $10 million to hand out to the group I work for, “Are a larger percentage (pun, no extra charge) of professionally successful women fat?”

    Think about it. She never had time to take care of a high value man so never took care of herself. She was never happy in love, so she stayed happy in diet. She didn’t give a damn what men thought at the office so she acted strong enough to stand up for herself and her opinions professionally even though she was crying on the inside.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of fat and unsuccessful ladies but the upper echelons (not waaaaay up, like Congress, appearances are important) are full of porkers. Think Kathy Bates at Sabre, although fictional, believable. Think Oprah. But generally, don’t think of ladies that spend the majority of their time in front of cameras.

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  47. An alternative yet sincere approach to this “dilemma.”

    Go on this trip with her to this third world paradise and then do the following:

    1) Beat the living shit out of her.

    2) Fuck her and invite the local law enforcement to join you in a gang bang.

    3) Enjoy the rest of your vacation.

    Another option:

    1) Beat the living shit out of her.

    2) Fuck her as sadistically as possible/conceivable.

    3) Natalie Holloway her ass.

    4) Enjoy your newly acquired world-wide notoriety and the legions of wet vaginas that accompany it!

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  48. “it sounds like you may be a trusted eunuch bodyguard as she surf’s foreign cock” – This is correct.

    There is another angle to take if he’s got the gonads and that’s to screw with the plans for fun. Not wreck it, just twist it. Like invite one or two of her friends. Expand the scope beyond what she wanted. Get her mom and her prude aunt to go. And then not show up at the airport. Or better yet, go and (without her knowledge) encourage toothless locals to make passes at her. Shit like that. Have fun fucking with her. Just don’t expect to get laid by her.

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  49. From the second this guy fast tracked his passport, he was doomed.

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  50. LJBF? Only if it’s “with benefits,” babe.

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  51. As always, CH is spot on, 100%.

    Any time I hear of a story or one of my outer distant friends do some ridiculous traveling for an unsure piece of ass I first want to pound them in the face- then sit them down and force feed them the red pill. But I usually just chuckle to myself and have a moment of comfort that these actions confirm there will always be a pool of ~80% beta dorks of the male population.

    A desperate acquaintance of mine from Nor Cal once told me a story of where he flew to Maine to meet up with a piece of ass he only made out with once while she was out visiting her friends during a summer vacation. $1,100, 3 days an no sex,( or anything close to that) later and he came home in rage and fury. They got drunk the first night, got in a fight, then he spent 2 days by himself in a shit hotel in some shit small town in Maine jerking off to hotel porn.

    I told him, “bro, there are plenty of local average looking women that you can get drunk and yell at. And you don’t have to go very far and it’ll only cost ~$20.”

    For our humbled commenter above, take CHs advice: DON’T GO.

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  52. YaReally nailed it so well it bears repeating:

    “I wouldn’t even recommend you go with the intention of hitting on hostel girls and doing stuff on your own. She won’t wing for you, she’ll cockblock you because she wants all the attention of all her orbiters. And you ARE an orbiter, your entire E-Mail reeks of it. That’s not an insult, we were all there and we all fall back into it here and there, just know where you stand and GTFO of it.”

    Right on.

    There are a million and one better things to do with the time and money you would spend on this trip.

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  53. Contrarian Advice:

    Go on the trip. Try to have sex with this girl.

    See what happens. Game needs to be internalized to work.

    The bigger you fail, the faster you will learn.

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    • This is true, but everybody posting here already knows that he won’t take their advice. He’ll go, and fail, and learn, just as we all have.

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  54. Not in a million years would I entertain going on that trip. Talk about lowering yourself. Fuck that shit.

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  55. I once engaged in a months-long online flirtation with a girl who said outright that she wanted to have an affair with me and was full of all kinds of enthusiastic plans for what we would do together. We arranged that I would come visit her but when the date approached she flaked, bitchily. I finally did go to see her months later and she was aloof and bitchy to me during the visit. No sex ensued but she did end up liking me as a “friend”. Grrr…

    As per advice, at least I did enjoy visiting a city I’d never been to in a state I like, and visited another friend while I was there.

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  56. on December 6, 2011 at 6:44 am travelling man

    Do not do it.

    Had the sort of same thing happen to me once while i was 20, travelling Australia. Met a cute french-canadian girl at a hostel in the days where i had zero game, just social skills and the occasional luck, she asked me to accompany her after i tried my broken school french for a couple of days on her. so off we went, nothing happend, well she did have the decency not to hook up with guys, but there probably were no worthy targets, and after three days of suffering and an extremly awkward move on her (i like to give myself credit in retrospective for at least trying, crash&burn is sometimes a valuable lesson) i sneaked out, bought a bus ticket and fucked off.

    save yourself from a situation like that.

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  57. “She planned a trip to Central America without me, leaving very soon, casually invited me.”

    Are you fuckin crazy, bro? Listen to Heartiste. DO NOT GO.


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  58. I was in a similar situation, where I was basically regarded as a non-sexual bodyguard. Luckily, I caught on to this quickly and simply made her pay for my food, drinks, and transportation in exchange for my bodyguard/chaperone services. I didn’t spend a dime the whole time and got to see some sights I might never have seen and didn’t torture myself about not getting what I wasn’t ever going to get from her anyway. So, I’d say go only if you wanted to visit that place anyway and she is paying for everything and you’re not hung up on her. Otherwise forget it.

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  59. He will have a hard time trying to pickup anything with that bitch cockblocking him at every occasion.

    She will not be aroused by his attempts at other women, she will be sickened, and will try to bring him down. This trip will be a disaster for the man´s ego.

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  60. Seriously, though. Why not take the trip? He already understands the potential for disaster by proceeding under her proposed “tag along” frame. He just needs advice on the reframe, which should be simple enough. Being thrust together on an overseas jaunt to an exotic locale seems hard to fuck up — unless you’re a bent beta who is used to perfectly misreading signals, which the correspondent does not seem to be.

    Hot girls and natural alphas will understand the following. When you are of obvious high SMV, the opposite sex tends to do things for you (especially beta men to female 7’s and 8’s, pretty enough to inspire attention, but not so pretty to intimidate). “You’re so beautiful I had to buy you a drink.” Part of it is the gift-giver’s expectation of a returned favor. But a large and commonly underestimated part of the impulse to give is resident in the sheer act of giving, as if the giver wants to reward virtue in his or her midst, to somehow be associated with the high SMV through the gift.

    If you are used to random women doing favors for you, you’d see the trip offer as less a trap and more an opportunity. If you aren’t used to such treatment, act “as if.” Not only is it good to be king, women love to serve men who act like royalty.

    The 8.5 is obviously not honoring the high SMV of our dear “reader who wishes to remain anonymous.” But he can easily reframe it to his advantage, as if women offer to pay for his trips and solo-accompany him all the time. One way to reframe is, as Heartiste says, be non-commital to the point of not going — i.e., meh, some other chick next week will be taking me to St. Moritz, what’s so special about dirty Honduras? The much more fun, if more difficult, reframe would be to go under one’s own exacting terms. Rushing around to get passports and scuba indicates a little too much of the eager-beaver already.

    The first step is projecting the presumption of privilege. To beleaguer her beaver stop being so eager. Assume the entire purpose of being invited on the trip is to wear her cervix down to a concave pulp. Make highly specific and trivial demands (I get the window seat). Forget about details (When’s the flight again?). Rearrange the itinerary at will (We’re climbing the ziggurat today, bring your hiking boots). Remember the dating principle of locale-changing time warp. You are the diva and she is the travel agent/personal assistant who books the reservations and arranges for the things you want to do. Take command, Marine.

    Like everything in life, there is an omega-sniveling way to act privileged, and there is a cocky-amused way to act privileged. If you get good enough, you do it with a generous twinkle in your eye. She will lap it up and participate in the charm of your preposterous arrogance: she so badly wants to serve an alpha but has too much o’ the pride of a modren 8.5 princess to do it unironically. Earnestly employed or no, her serving muscles will be put into action, and being reminded of her natural state of blissful servitude tempts a girl to give herself over to it despite a poisoned feminist intellect screaming to the contrary. “I loved that he was so powerful I was nothing.” Ahhh, surrender.

    Yes, it is wise to understand the potential disaster of the situation (“Offers That Sound Too Good To Be True”), but it seems the correspondent already recognizes that. Carpe pussem.

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  61. Lulu
    +1
    it sounds like she wants a male chaperone. Is this her first trip abroad alone? In some parts of the world attractive women traveling by themselves will receive uncomfortable amounts of attention on the streets.

    ——————————————————-

    Exactly.

    Like Lulu says, you gotta watch out for this “chaperony effect”; like the girl who pretends she’s gonna put out by coming to visit you from another state, but really she just wants room and board.

    For example, if you live in NYC or some other cool expensive city, and she lives in hickville and has always wanted to take a vacation there; she may try to use you to save money by staying at your place, eating your food…

    She pretends to want to fuck you in order to get her foot in the door, but when she arrives its “lets just be friends”

    Yeah, you got fucked alright.

    *be advised*

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    • For example, if you live in NYC or some other cool expensive city, and she lives in hickville and has always wanted to take a vacation there; she may try to use you to save money by staying at your place, eating your food…

      Yeah man, this is soooo true.

      Right on, thwack.

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  62. If you do go listen to the advice to make her your wingwoman and enjoy your vacation as you know that you are not getting any from her. Most importantly DON’T PAY FOR HER SHIT. not one red cent. If she asks you to to buy so much as a postcard you look straight at her and say in an offended voice “Are you my girlfriend now? Becuase I don’t remember us fucking.” Ignore any b.s. she gives you after that.

    [Heartiste: lol, that’s a bitchkicking line.]

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    • H man, good advice, but I suggest one small change: attitude.

      If she asks you to to buy so much as a postcard you look straight at her and say,

      with obvious amusement at her lame behavior/mentality:

      “Are you my girlfriend now? Because I don’t remember us fucking.”

      Ignore any b.s. she gives you after that,

      or show amusement at it and mock it.

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  63. “She’s extremely aloof, ignores half my texts. Likely never LTR material.”

    You’re still talking to her? haha!

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  64. seriously. ditch the woman and sample the local flavors.

    I was in Mexico for Thanksgiving and I had multiple hot senoritas (8s) coming up to me asking for photos and my name and where I’m staying.

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  65. on December 6, 2011 at 12:53 pm Dr Van Nostrand

    Hey atleast this guy got Central America.
    This broad came over from IRAQ where she works in one of the larger defense contracting companies.Also 8.5 (though with a boyfriend) ,she arranged a date with me the next day with her flight taking off a few hours after.
    When I come to pick her up at the hotel, she doesnt let me know beforehand her flight was preponed and therefore -no date.
    She then gets borderline emotional that I shold drop her to the airport(its 2 minutes away ,what do I care) in order to “catch up”
    When I drop her off (at the drop off area-no way I was going to park my car ,spend the eq of $4 and accompany her ass to the checkin counter as she seemed to expect) ,she asks me if I would come visit her in Iraq.Yes Iraq-that battle scarred hell hole satellite satrapy of Iran!
    The audacity!I just laughed and said no!Her face kinda fell but Ididnt give a shit.
    I just drove off

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  66. wow…..just, wow.

    i knew you lot were a cynical bunch but this just takes the cake.

    is it really all that difficult to believe that this woman is just playing it cool because of her attraction to the guy? that she’s being careful because she’s been hurt before, and doesn’t want to be hurt again? aren’t we all just trying to navigate this jungle called life? she’s doing the same! where is your sense of romance? is it not better to have loved and lost than not loved at all?? where is your humanity??

    my advice to the guy would be to go with the girl and show her that he’s worthy of her time. as a man, he needs to show this initiative. also, i’d advise him to check her digit ratios, i bet her ring finger is longer than her index finger indicating that she’s a high-t girl, which means that her pussy would srsly rox!

    dude, best of luck to you. now, i’m not sayin you should propose to her (that should only be done after you make love to her 30 times), but stranger things have happened!

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  67. @itsme
    “where is your sense of romance?”

    A woman will appreciate a romantic gesture from a man who has already established alpha creed with her. This man has not. Him, throwing caution to wind for love, will only annoy her.

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  68. Off topic, but horrible tail of beta humiliation:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/n15mh/have_you_ever_walked_in_on_your_husband_wife/c35hb5k

    The whole thread is full of them, but this was particularly brutal.

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  69. Taking their general intelligence into consideration, I believe women with low digit finger ratio have better than average spatial skills for a woman. They also probably have lower than average linguistic skills. I struggled to learn French, but I loved geometry.

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  70. where is your sense of romance? is it not better to have loved and lost than not loved at all?? where is your humanity??

    *snark-o-rama*

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  71. Principle here,

    I would firstly A. Not go.

    but if I had already paid for tickets etc. B. Go but with my own agenda…

    Disadvantage into an advantage!!!!

    Whilst an 8.5 may punch heavy where you are from, a 6.5 male from a western culture will be more than her match in South America.

    I would very quicky turn the tables on her – not with the sole view of seducing her – (it that happened then it would be icing on the cake) but with meeting a lot of top grade South American women.

    The social proof you would carry having her around would set you in good stead to meet a lot of the locals and you could use her as a pivot.

    You would go from being there as her orbiting needy protector (ask yourself why she would want a man to accompany her on this trip?) to being the guy in demand.

    So I would recommend flirting with every woman where you go!

    If this happened you would be surprised how all of a sudden she would become ‘protective’ of you! But you musn’t let that be the reason for your going and above all you must not care!!

    She is looking to use you after all – wake up and smell the coffee mate!!

    If she complained I would say, “Well you wanted to go places to meet people right?” Thank her for the idea!

    If she ended up with some local Don Jaun then who cares. Compare notes of your conquests afterwards over a beer the next day.

    Saying that though it would be unlikely as you would be surprised how protective women can be over something they perceive as being casually theirs being taken from them.

    All the best for now old chap,

    Principle.

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  72. PLEASE opt out of this. Do NOT go.

    Take this as sage advice, older man to young man: If you go, you WILL come back with your balls handed to you.

    Please, just take the advice… Don’t even pause to think about it.

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  73. Lazy guy,
    I was thinking about that after I posted the comment. I think you’re more accurate. It’s hard to get the right tonality across in writing.

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  74. I think he should go just to report back and tell us what happened.we can place bets…

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  75. All those who recommend he go and then do something alpha have no idea how impossible that is for this guy. He has oneitis, and it’s her frame–a recipe for true disaster. This trip is bad news any way you look at it. You are guaranteed to be miserable and humiliated (further) if you go on this trip.

    Save your money, time and dignity by running from this no-sex invite, whether you’ve bought the ticket or not.

    Take your money and time and learn game. Investing in good coaching or a bootcamp will produce real sexual returns well in excess of the make-believe “opportunity” you think you have here.

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