The Female Preference For Badboys, Quantified

Reader Never Mind the Balzac writes,

It’s estimated that around 100 British women are engaged or married to men on death row in the US at any one time.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/13/gender.uk

Given the logistical/administrative difficulties of starting/maintaining one of these relationships, I suspect the women that are inclined to this behaviour vastly out-number the ones that actually go through with it.

A chorus of platitude pushing women and their thimblepeen allies that is growing more silent and enfeebled by the day thanks to the yeoman efforts of your humble proprietors, insists only a few crazy women way out at the extremes of female behavior have relationships with death row lotharios. But, as Balzac astutely notes above, what you are seeing in those newsworthy stories of women with their inmate lovers is only the tip of the viceberg. For every one woman who hurdles all the obstacles put in her way to feel the reptilian embrace of a man who once spilled blood for fun, there are a thousand more women who experience a similar simmering desire for the thug but who don’t have the vajflaps or the taste for high adventure to consummate their lust.

This doesn’t mean those lazy or astonishingly prudent women don’t krave killer kock. Inertia is not the opposite of desire. Neither, for that matter, is fear.

I like to softly twist the shiv in the hides of beta males (wake-up call? or sadistic hobby? you be the judge), so now’s a good time to ask them when the last time was a woman jumped through a million logistical, legal and administrative hoops to hungrily soak in their special brand of beta male love? What’s that? Never, you say? Well, then, you know what to do. Hie thee to thy masturbatorium!

Read the link provided. The melancholia-tinged laughs are inexhaustible.

Three years ago a German waitress called Dagmar Polzin fell in love with a murderer while waiting at a Hamburg bus stop. She saw his photo on a Benetton anti-death-penalty poster. Bobby Lee Harris, a North Carolina man with an IQ of 75, was on death row for stabbing his boss to death during a robbery on a shrimp boat. Polzin was overwhelmed by the picture,

“It was something in his eyes,” she later said. “There was this remorse, sadness. I was attracted. I knew he was the one.”

Within the year Polzin and Harris were engaged and she had moved to America to live with his family. This story seems a little surprising, but if you see the picture that Dagmar fell in love with it is, frankly, astonishing. He may have many charming accomplishments to recommend him as a husband, but Harris is not a bonny boy.

Low IQ, badboy killer charm >>>>>> male looks.

It was recently reported that Ian Huntley, the Soham man charged with the murders of schoolgirls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells, receives bundles of fan mail from women every week – many containing photographs of themselves.

Child murderers are reportedly the most hated of all criminal elements. And yet, even they have no trouble inspiring women to swooning declarations of everlasting love.

Prison romances seem in no danger of dying out. But the cliche of the prison bride as wig-wearing trailer-trash is misguided: the women come from all sectors of society. Carlos the Jackal become engaged to his lawyer last year. The famous Glasgow hard man Jimmy Boyle married a psychiatrist he met in prison. The most common form of contact, certainly for many of the 100 or so British women currently engaged or married to American men on death row, is through anti-death-penalty campaign internet sites.

REVOKE THE VOTE, 2013.

The most melancholy story concerns two middle-aged Christian sisters, Avril and Rose, who left long-term “boring” marriages for men in prison.

Sometimes women despise beta males so much they don’t even want their bux.

One man had been convicted of a string of minor property offences, the other man had killed his previous wife.

Once a woman’s love algorithm is executed (heh), not even knowing a man’s history of killing his previous wife will stop her from delivering the male to her box. Throw caution to the wind, will a girl with tingling quim!

His new wife, Rose, said: “I have faith that if you’re genuine with the Lord you’re a new person. A lot of people have said I should be worried about him because of what he did and his background – which is pretty awful and violent – but I have no fear.”

This is the deformed, quasimodo version of Christianity.

Despite the women’s faith, both relationships ended tragically: a week after his release the thief bludgeoned Avril to death with a hammer. The other husband ended up back in prison after trying to cut Rose’s ear off and pull out her teeth with pliers.

However, it is rare that the most disturbing type of relationship is formed. Hybristophiliacs are sexually excited by violent outrages performed on others. These women often send pornographic pictures of themselves to prisoners. The self-styled “most violent prisoner in Britain”, Charles Bronson, publishes photos he receives on his website.

Beta male: Will u text me pic of your boobs?
Girl: Creep! Don’t ever call me again.

Charles Bronson: *rolls out rap sheet a mile long*
Girls: MY TITS. MY PUSSY. ALL YOURS. MARRY US!!!

Funny things is, I’m not even exaggerating.

But, as clinical psychologist Dr Stuart Fischoff says, the love object is “almost irrelevant at this point. He’s a dream lover, a phantom limb”. Such fantasy projection can be used to wish away any aspect of reality. The excuses the women give for their partner’s alleged crimes operate as in all other relationships. They do what we all sometimes do when faced with negative information about loved ones: they refuse to believe it.

It’s informative to compare and contrast the rationalizing behavior of women with law-abiding betas and alpha killers. Women have no trouble, no trouble at all, believing negative things about their beta hubbies, and will often go to great lengths to exaggerate those negative impressions so that their transition away from the beta to a world of freedom to pursue anti-betas is as painless as possible. This behavior is quite unlike what we see women doing with alpha assholes, for whom every readily apparent flaw is instantly and vigorously denied or waved away by their women with the acumen of a star lawyer on a cocaine-fueled semantics bender.

On one website devoted to Richard Ramirez his wife says, “I appeal to all intelligent persons not to believe everything that is being presented about Richard in the media. The facts of his case ultimately will confirm that Richard is a wrongly-convicted man, and I believe fervently that his innocence will be proven to the world.”

Beta housepet: I forgot your mom’s birthday.
Wife: Is there anything you can do right? Remember when you forgot our 13th anniversary? Do you even care at all? Maybe if you got your head out of those video games you play all the time you’d stop being so goddamned selfish. I want a divorce.

Serial killer: I killed 20 people. Eh, it might’ve been 45.
Female admirer: Oh, I’m sure you had your reasons. Please love me like only you can.

Anyone who comes to this blog to insist, against the mountain of evidence proving otherwise, that only skanks or fugs or very rare specimens of womanhood with mental illness fall for the alluring charms of alpha male killers and crooks will be summarily banned for possessing the lethal combination of trollery and studied ignorance.





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  1. Stellar post, an emotional whirlwind of a rollercoaster, I laughed, I cried, I fapped. That this was dredged up from The Grauniad makes it all the more delicious.

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    • > “Despite the women’s faith, both relationships ended tragically: a week after his release the thief bludgeoned Avril to death with a hammer. The other husband ended up back in prison after trying to cut Rose’s ear off and pull out her teeth with pliers.”

      Okay, I burst out laughing when I read that.

      I’m doing my damnedest to try to save Western Civilization [or at least my little corner of it], but I’ll be dadgummed if some folks just ain’t salvageable.

      There will be much gnashing of the teeth.

      PS: Where is GBFM when you need him?

      Changing diapers? Mixing formula? Swaddling a colicky baby?

      Enquiring minds wanna know.

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    • I missed the part where the female preference for badboys was quantified, as the headline promised.

      Was it the hundred UK women engaged/married among the 3,108 condemned men in the US — 3.2%? Do we have statistics on total marriage rate, regardless of country of origin? Is there any sort of metric to determine the relative attractiveness of these blushing brides, beyond anecdotes and snapshots? I couldn’t find any studies, though I admit I didn’t give it my best google-fu, as the topic doesn’t pique my curiosity.

      And what is the reason we are separating “badboys” from capital criminals by a matter of degree rather than kind? That brooding, misunderstood truant who’s always seen from homeroom screaming his Harley down the street is sufficiently different in kind from Joseph Edward Duncan III. The badboy is not just a less evil person along a continuum that must end in ultimate depravity but is rather another species altogether.

      (A cursory investigation indicates that J.E. Duncan is not married or engaged to be married, for what that’s worth.)

      Matt

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      • Some women probably don’t see the difference, other women demand the “real thing” (mass murderer sort.)

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      • Matthew has written something good here. Most devil-may-care sensation seekers have a normal aversion to crushing the life out of someone for no good reason.

        There is strong enough difference in the wiring to consider them different types.

        You _can_ argue that women select on very, very primitive criteria- subconscious evaluation of the question-will he kill for the baby? Will he kill for FOOD for the baby?

        Women are nice to the degree it gets them what they want, and after that not nice. They are just not wired for murder, they’re wired to get what they want socially not with mechanical or intellectual force.

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      • The fact that women from one particular foreign country are engaged/married to 3% of our death row inmates, coupled with the inference that many more of them would be if not for inconvenience/red tape and keeping up appearances of normal human decency, is pretty damning.

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    • gentlemen: it is truly time for the epic berzerkergang psycho Viking pillage meltdown

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    • While we are in weekend moderation …

      How exactly does the OP “quantif[y]” the “female preference for badboys”? I only see one semi-significant number up there, “100,” plus a handful of anecdotes.

      And why are badboys placed on the same continuum as serial killers? Brooding pouty James-Dean rebels without causes are not just earlier versions of Jeffrey Dahmer. Non-conformism, independence, and rebelliousness are not embryos of pathological evil. They are different in kind, not merely degree.

      Matt

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      • I’d say they’re aspects of the same thing, namely ignoring the wishes of others. Obviously there are important differences–‘leave me alone’ is different from ‘die pig!’–but it’s not too crazy to think of a continuum with, say, Charles Manson at one end and John Scalzi at the other. Greek ideas of the Golden Mean, as well as Chinese ideas of balanced Yin and Yang, seem appropriate here.

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      • On this we agree. It’s the difference between power and the application of power. There are a lot of examples of these powers applied for “good.”

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  2. Other psychologists, such as Leon F. Seltzer, has offered explanations based on evolutionary psychology. Serial killers, in his view, are cases of alpha males that tend to attract women. This is because such males were good at protecting women and their offspring in our evolutionary history. Women nowadays may consciously realize that it is unwise to date a serial killer, but they are nevertheless attracted to them, as he notes “as a therapist I’ve encountered many women who bemoaned their vulnerability toward dominant men who, consciously, they recognized were all wrong for them.”[3] As evidence of women’s preference for dominant men, he refers to the book A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the World’s Largest Experiment Reveals about Human Desire by Ogi Ogas and Sai Gaddam.

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    • Nice try Leon, but not all dominant men are serial killers.

      “Serial killers, in his view, are cases of alpha males that tend to attract women. This is because such males were good at protecting women and their offspring in our evolutionary history.”

      Well… unless they murdered them.

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      • > “Nice try Leon, but not all dominant men are serial killers.”

        You’re new around here, but a point we used to make was that on e.g. AMC’s Mad Men, all of the lead male characters had been killers in WWI or WWII or Korea.

        And if today you live anywhere near an Army fort or a Marine Corps camp, then [whether you realize it or not] you’re constantly crossing paths with dudes who have killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.

        We aren’t but 40 or 50 years removed from a time when all of the upper echelons of American management and skilled labor and the professions were manned by older fellows who had been killers when they were young men.

        The big difference here is between serial killer and serial MURDERER.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 4:33 pm Amy is a dumb whore

        She indeed is new here. I wish she would go away. Don’t bother trying to explain – as the other commenters here are doing – to this blockheaded hamster with a body.

        She got told – not just by me, but by CH himself – in a previous thread after she posted the typical reality-denying whitewashing BS concerning women’s attraction to the dark triad.

        She’s not only an idiot, but after being educated and corrected – what does she do? She says “Et tu, CH?” and sends him a frowny face – like a scared little girl in complete shock of the truth – and then refuses to stay on topic and ignore how hard she’s been schooled on the matter.

        Amy, stop shitting up CH with your stupidity. You are not just a dumb whore – you are intellectually dishonest too.

        Oh also, you are pretty ugly too. There’s a reason you post a picture of the BACK of your head.

        On behalf of all of us lovable characters at CH:

        GET. THE. FUCK. OUT. ———–>

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      • She’s guilty of mudsharkery, too, for which the blame falls on her father. Epic fail, white man.

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      • Wasn’t aware of that. Ew.

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      • Is this the black guy thing again? Wth? I have no idea where that came from. I’ve never posted anything about having sex with a black guy. I’ve never even dated one, much less had sex with one.

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      • Amy

        Is this the black guy thing again? Wth? I have no idea where that came from.
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        Amy, its like the Salem witch trials except they substitute a black man for the devil.

        In other words, if you have a pussy, you must have done something wrong.

        Pussy = dark skin.

        Something you want and can’t get so you hate on it.

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      • You cant really blame the father. Adults makes their own decisions.

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      • This tatted up whore dated and fucked a black guy.

        http://Www.postcubist.blogspot.com

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      • “Pussy = dark skin.
        Something you want and can’t get so you hate on it.”

        It’s obvious that Greg Elliot, Whorefinder et al want to become negroes. I mean com’on…

        Leftist dumb logic/Nigger hamster ftw.

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      • Clearly you don’t watch Mad Men. It’s really only two lead characters that served in combat- Sterling and Draper. Plus Draper (as Whitman) was a pussy.

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      • And his momma was a ho! And daddy be a pimp. Thwack,you watch Mad Men?

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      • Actually, Mad Men is an outstanding example of what we talk about here:

        Bert Cooper had his gonads blown off in one of the wars [WWI -vs- WWII?].

        Roger Sterling shot Japs in the Pacific.

        And Don Draper – FAKE IT TIL YOU MAKE IT – switched dog tags with the corpse of his superior officer [SO] in Korea and started life anew. Even ended up banging the living daylights out of his SO’s real-life widow once he got back stateside.

        Point being that all of them saw combat.

        And all of them were [or certainly could have been] actual killers.

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      • All this keyboard admiration of killers forgets the facts that the great majority of men who have been in combat will tell you, especially if they saw the bodies of those they killed: It was mindless, disgusting, and senseless, and they do not cherish the memory.

        Even many murderers have traumatic memories of their crimes, it even affects them negatively . Gleeful psychopaths exist, but most discussion of them are projections of some repressed part of the over civilized keyboard jockey, who won’t even talk to a women in Starbucks.

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      • Not everyone in the military is on the front lines, by a long shot. Maybe you meant that they were working toward a military goal. That probably didn’t affect their personalities, but the image may have generated the sexual excitement in the women anyway

        Vets today, being volunteers, are more likely to have specific personality types.

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      • It is correct, Amy, that not all women are attracted to the psychos. But J’s analysis of those women who are attracted to the psychos is also correct. Here we must see the world in nuances. Women are attracted to dominant men, but that attraction doesn’t always take the same path.

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      • But there’s a big difference between a dominant tough guy who’d have no difficulty or remorse killing someone in defense of himself or his family, and a dominant spree killer. I agree that women want a guy “good and protecting women and their offspring”– but a spree killer isn’t that guy. So there’s something else to it for these women. It’s more than just feeling attracted to an extreme pyscho badass who’s proven he can kill because they want to feel safe and protected.

        Personally, I think a lot of these women also have an unhealthy, excessive form of the savior/angel complex, in which women want to be the “special” one who truly understands the badboy and can change him. Like the badboy attraction itself, most women have at least a little of this complex and are somewhere on the “need to be special” spectrum. I myself am further along in the spectrum than I should be. But women like Star are on the extreme end.

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      • Not one will save a nice beta who would cherish her for 50 years, however. By “save” I mean simply be nice and let him be nice to you.

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      • Sort of. Put it this way: Not one will save a nice beta who is asking her to save him. We want to save the guys who don’t want to be saved, or don’t realize they need it.

        It’s a classic female paradox. We want to feel needed by the men who are attractive to us BECAUSE they don’t need us. It’s warped, I know.

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      • So women create an artifical flaw or need for the man that they can improve about him in order to feel wanted and needed?

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      • What other group does this? I’m drawing a blank, wait… it’s on the tip of my tongue….

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      • > “there’s a big difference between a dominant tough guy who’d have no difficulty or remorse killing someone in defense of himself or his family, and a dominant spree killer”

        Uhh, again, as above, there’s a big difference between a killer and a MURDERER.

        It’s this thing called “morality” – the fundamental difference between right and wrong.

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      • Of course there is. Spree killer= someone who kills for fun.

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      • It’s this thing called “morality” – the fundamental difference between right and wrong.
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        what about color?

        It seems to be the fundamental issue with you people.

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      • Let’s be fair though, Zombie. In common usage, ‘serial killer’ implies ‘serial murderer’.

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      • > “In common usage, ‘serial killer’ implies ‘serial murderer’.”

        If you go back and read the mudshark’s original sentence, she is using the word “killer” to mean two diametrically opposite things: A DEFENDER of the innocent, and also a MURDERER of the innocent:

        mudshark: “there’s a big difference between a dominant tough guy who’d have no difficulty or remorse KILLING someone in defense of himself or his family, and a dominant spree KILLER”

        It’s almost as though there’s a screw loose in her head.

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      • Always count on Zombie Brain to offer a simplistic, folksy explanation. Nurology? Huh?

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      • >”But there’s a big difference between a dominant tough guy who’d have no difficulty or remorse killing someone in defense of himself or his family, and a dominant spree killer.”

        But if woman bears child of spree killer, the offspring would wipe out other competitors. Really, it’s all like a bacteria – some mutate to be more aggressive. So from evolutionary thinking point, it does not contradict itself, they payoff from murderous children may be worth the risk.

        >”I agree that women want a guy “good and protecting women and their offspring”– but a spree killer isn’t that guy.”

        You got it right babe – women want all betas to work, pay up and die in defense of the offspring.
        On the side note : that is why Murricca always sets up false-flag operations, like this american boat on cuba which started us vs spain war, then sinking of civil cruiser which drawn US into 2nd WW, most recently 9/11. Because it drives women in panick, and in turn they push men into fight.
        Kind of funny how americunt politics get along with female populace so well.

        Anyway, while it is true that spree killer is not a good babysitters (why so racis’ dood) it is perfect specimen to induce vagina tingles, all those wets and thought of giving up the ass.

        >”It’s more than just feeling attracted to an extreme pyscho badass who’s proven he can kill because they want to feel safe and protected.”

        Wrong. What drives women towards those men is exactly the fear behind the bonding. The incessant question, will she be able to walk properly next day? Or maybe he will only beat her to pulp and fuck her on kitchen table? Will he leave me scarred body so I would never forget him? Oh so macho, bravado hit me!! Give me tough love, a truly luxurious ware indeed.

        >” I think a lot of these women also have an unhealthy, excessive form of the savior/angel complex, in which women want to be the “special” one who truly understands the badboy and can change him”

        I think that these women are smart enough and do want to be able to engage with somebody else than the {spree killer} himself, so just to buy themselves out they rationalize away their “sickness” by hamstering the fairytale that she is a saviour, a good feminine quality. No, it’s not that she is attracted to a spree-killer, you see? She is not fucked up and deserving a bullet like his lover, but she is A OK. A weirdo in the worst light possible. She just wants to help him, don’t you see that? How this could be bad?

        >”I myself am further along in the spectrum than I should be. But women like Star are on the extreme end.”

        hehe, keep lies to yourself and jerkcircle of your friends, we know the trooth

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      • Yay!! Another conspiracy theorist to add to the fun. Welcome to the grandiose, paranoid world of CH Re-Rot!!!

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      • on November 25, 2013 at 9:10 pm There is a reason he masturbates on the subway

        Be proud; Rreot; the contempt and lack of a coherent counter-argument (instead of just ad hominem attacks) from white-knighting imbecilic losers like Subway Masturbator is how you know you’re on the right track.

        The mudsharks like Amy that shit up society by spreading their legs for thugs and badboys – as well as their supporters and advocates – all need to be expunged.

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      • I agree that women want a guy “good and protecting women and their offspring”– but a spree killer isn’t that guy. So there’s something else to it for these women.

        He won’t protect them irl, but their instinct tells them to seek out the strong killer because that instinct was created to make women seek out those who were strong enough to protect them. In these women’s cases, the instinct leads them wrong.

        A similar example is when British soldiers returns from the Falkland War. Women were lining up in the streets to throw their panties at the soldiers. The soldiers had a very easy time to get laid. Had they been off winning a Protector & Provider contest? No, they had killed other people. The women at the victory parade got hot and bothered by that, because their instinct told them that a killer could protect them. Even if that wouldn’t be true in each man’s case. Instinct isn’t perfect.

        There is something else in it, you say. You suggest that they want to save and convert a guy. Well, what is that if not a wish for someone who will be grateful enough to stick around in thick and thin? So it relates to the same instinct. There is also another explanation for these women who seek out psychos: psychologists say that they “want to side with evil to be protected from evil”. In their minds, if they marry an evil man, even if he is in jail, then the evil people outside jail won’t hurt them, because they are also on the dark side. Again an instinct leading them astray. Instincts don’t always yield a perfect result, and they play out differently sometimes, but nevertheless – we can still see the same basic instincts in people. Come from evolution, which gives survival to those genes that seek out a protector, someone with good health, etc. Evolutionary psychology for the win once again.

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      • not all dominant men are serial killers, but all serial killers are dominant men(?)
        perhaps they are better at killing bastard offspring and keeping woman in check then other more sane men are.

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      • Jeffrey Dahmer = alpha?

        We’ve gone from defining terms through experience to allowing terms to define us by theory.

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      • Exactly. The men we traditionally admire have killed reluctantly in defense of the common good. These serial killers all have a creepy air about them from lurking in the shadows.

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      • Well, if a guy is known for killing lots of people, it makes sense that the safest thing to do is be their wife or child. If their wives and children get killed less often than non-family, that’s a distinct advantage.

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    • Most women desire dominant, powerful men. Thugs and killers are well endowed with these qualities (and perhaps others).

      The women who fall for such men are unusual, but they are not pathological. They represent the high end of normal variation for, let’s call it, alpha preference. I don’t think they are extreme outliers, but they aren’t typical, either.

      There is a socio-cultural aspect to this as well. In prosperous, post-industrial society, men are relatively feminine and women are bored. From a long term perspective, we live in strange times. In most societies throughout history, men were forced by circumstance to “grow a pair”, so to speak, and women were preoccupied with childcare, which made them happy to have a provider of any kind. As a result, women generally had little need or opportunity to recklessly pursue the tingle.

      In the contemporary west, these factors no longer hold. Violent criminals provide a stark contrast to boring betas, and women don’t have to worry about their children starving to death if they behave irresponsibly. It is unsurprising, then, that some women with high alpha preference would pursue such men.

      In short, this is an extreme manifestation of phenomena regularly discussed on this blog.

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  3. what should the AFC take away from these posts of late?

    [CH: illumination.]

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    • My wife admitted to me some years ago that her co-workers thought I mis-treated her due to my many “demands.” What her co-workers don’t comprehend is that I don’t make “demands;” I clearly explain my expectations, reward compliance, and shun her when she’s not doing what I expect her to do. If she wants my company, she must adapt to me.

      The lesson, for those that don’t make a hobby out of homicide, is that worrying too much about what the “little woman” – or anybody – thinks is counter-productive. Sure, being a good man is a good thing, but don’t f-ing do it because you think some girl might jump you for the privilege of your company. If one chooses to think of his female companion when making plans, one ought consider how that companion will assist with one’s plans. If you enjoy helping her with her stuff, good for you, but the second one screws one’s own goals, betaville is around the corner. No good deed will go unpunished.

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      • I clearly explain my expectations, reward compliance, and shun her when she’s not doing what I expect her to do.

        Dude. I am as anti-feminist as anyone can be. But that doesn’t mean I will treat a girlfriend like a servant. I will first of all only get involved in a relationship with a girl who is intelligent enough so that we know how to treat each other right.

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      • You speak as if “treat[ing] each other right” means adults are supposed to coddle one another or pursue suicidal altruism. I have more respect for my grade-school son than you propose I show my wife. Servants get “interventions,” servants get “commanded.” Equal adults share goals or seek other companions. But, hey, I’m coming from only two decades of marriage and fidelity: what the f— would I know about maintaining a marriage and gaming my wife? Clearly, the dude who would “only get involved in a relationship with a girl who is intelligent enough,” knows better.

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      • I’m about to clock my 20th year of marriage and fidelity as a completely self-defeating beta who is even now incapable of taking command of his own household. I don’t think the number of decades proves much.

        Making her adapt to me has definitely improved things for both of us (simple example, no more “where do you want to eat” and “what do you want to do” conversations), but you can only change deeply-ingrained patterns so much. I’ve come to think of it like this:

        Women are like apple trees. Given proper training and pruning, they will bear wonderful crops of delicious fruit, but if you let them grow wild, they become a twisted mess of crossed and weak branches that bear small crops of stunted fruit. Once you’ve let a tree grow wild for too long, you can improve it through pruning, but pruning can only get you so far, and it will never be as healthy or productive as a tree that was trained properly from a young age.

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      • Wow, this tree metaphor
        is a great explanation
        for why one can’t reform
        an American whore.

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      • Hey, “pursue suicidal altruism” is a great definition of the Christian commandment. John 15:13. Only then can anyone have life, and life abundantly. Only then can anyone be free. Sacrifice is love, l’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.

        I know. It’s a tough sell.

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      • Rewarding compliance and punishing non-compliance is the cornerstone of relationship game. You’re looking at this in the wrong light.

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      • I think servants should be treated equal.

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      • lmao. No, you’re a darkie…you believe everyone should be subservient to your sub-human race.

        One only needs to look at how darkies behave when they have any modicum of power over another, social or monetary—abusive, loud, rude and ignorant. And how you act towards everyone in public—hand out, demanding people stop to give you money, ro stop what their doing and “help” you in any way you desire….

        Michelle Obama, anyone?

        I rest my case on the subhumans.

        Birth of A Nation rings more and more true with each passing day…

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      • Ah naw you dint. Imma truly WHITE knight for Thwack now. He my brother from another mother. He at least supersubhuman.

        Got your back, brother. *Fist bump*. (Teach me some gang signs.)

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      • Dont forget, servants are in unique position to harm their masters; many a plantation went up in flames due to “negro lightning”.

        This negro bed wench got the white people to start hanging each other:

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      • The Salem Witch hunts were all about young vixens like 14 year old ones, telling the mob which old grandmas to kill. I say bring em back.

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      • Way too transactional, grubby merchant class, bourgeois. Rewards, punishments, tit for tat, quid pro quo, sniveling diamond traders rubbing shekels together.

        Largess, nobility, generosity, magnanimity is the Game of Games. Machiavelli’s “It is better to be feared than [admired]” only works so long as the fear of death is operative. Once that is overcome — and it is transcended more easily than the plebeian and bourgeois classes (who define themselves against that fear) think — the petty party is over. “He knows the ‘why’ for his existence, and will be able to bear almost any ‘how'” (Viktor Frankl).

        Matt

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      • I always wonder if guys like Frankl played a little dirtier than they let on. Certainly Auschwitz doesn’t seem like the kind of place where nice guys finish first (if you believe it happened, as many here don’t).

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      • “Nice” is the new n-word. Niceness has nothing to do with megalopsuchia, greatness of soul, magnanimity. It may in fact be the exact opposite.

        You don’t “play nice.” You play righteous. The Holy Wrath of God makes the savages scream and the ladies cream.

        Spastic chaos has nothing on strength married to discipline. Ask the Persians at Thermopylae. Ask the Zulus at Rorke’s Drift. A century of marinating in feminism has pickled the manly brain. Like women, we no longer can discern between power and evil.

        Matt

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 12:29 pm Full-Fledged Fiasco

        “He knows the ‘why’ for his existence, and will be able to bear almost any ‘how’” (Viktor Frankl).

        Was Holocaust Survivor Viktor Frankl Gassed at Auschwitz?.

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      • It is a true statement. It is not tinged with Jeweyness. I liked it when I thought it was Nietzsche, I like it now that I know it was formulated by a tribesman. I am all for rational suspicion, but paranoia will destroya.

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      • I agree with Matthew again, he’s my new girlfriend. This “drill sergeant” model of marriage sounds like it lacks all style and joy.

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      • I sympathize with your sympathy, but in reality women are more than willing to act out subservience if and when it gets her a higher status mate, such as this drill-sergeant husband “tteclod” who sounds like a dominant but dull plodder who brings in the money money money.

        True the complain about what the alpha demands of them, but they (all other things being equal which of course they’re not) tend to go for that instead of the nurturing beta.

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      • @tteclod

        Right…my ex gf has tried to seize frame by claiming I was too “demanding” by outlining what I expected and calling her out when she didn’t deliver.

        So I’ve since walked away. But by walking away I get prods, calls, guilt-inducing texts which take incredible will-power to avoid.

        The underlying motivation is an innate desire for submission to power and depending on whatever background factors and baggage they have their need to constantly test that power is what creates the rush and sparks their desire.

        The problem I face is that logic and loyalty and various other male traits are hard-wired and without realizing it I concede frame.

        The “making demands” ploy that girls or their friends make is really based on two things: for the girlfriend it’s about frame control.

        For the “friends” it’s a case of misery loves company…many of those women who are egging on the gf are single, fat, or otherwise can’t find a bloke so will try to drag down anyone of their friends who has by maliciously planting seeds in their head to make themselves feel better about their shitty sexles lives.

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      • “The underlying motivation is an innate desire for submission to power and depending on whatever background factors and baggage they have their need to constantly test that power is what creates the rush and sparks their desire.

        The problem I face is that logic and loyalty and various other male traits are hard-wired and without realizing it I concede frame.”

        Well said, thanks

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      • Marriage game in a nutshell. This is what I do too. Works like a charm.

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  4. For all the wordsmith on this subject it still comes down to this.

    Alphas, whether of the righteous or serial killer quality, are movers and shakers. Doing what they want and women are a side effect.

    Betas do everything to please a woman and women are repelled.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 1:10 pm Lucky White Male

      Yes, but “serial killers” are not exactly the Supreme Alpha Overlord.

      As I said yesterday, the biggest Alphas are those that get away with it

      50 Shades, read by millions of land whale wives married to beta hubbies, features a High Dark Triad… Billionaire. He’s a sociopath that is highly functioning, and “gets away with it”

      Christian Grey is not a serial killer.

      Serial killers will pull hordes of English Chavs – the U.S. equivalent of Manson’s girl Star – in their prison cell letters.

      The Upper Class Gentry, and your average girl, want the Dark Triad guys who are a bit more… winning in life

      Your Supreme Alpha Overlords will come from this class – not the Bundyd and Mansons.

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    • My first thought was “only a hundred?”

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  5. on November 22, 2013 at 12:00 pm Chris from Dublin

    The greatest compliment any woman can pay any man regarding his appearance? “You look like a badboy”.

    Better still is to be a badboy fag. Chicks are used to be able to patronise men and none more so than their gay best friend. It takes a fairly unhinged chick to also be a fag hag. Take a look at this …

    http://www.snotr.com/video/4051/Who_killed_the_cat

    It has it all: flaky chick; cocky, long-haired bad boy and supplicating beta who wades in as white knight. See how Judy defers to the bad-boy? (but eats his bitch for piping up?)

    Would that guy have known he’d get fame on TV for being a slayer of pussy???

    😉

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  6. on November 22, 2013 at 12:05 pm Chris from Dublin

    The only thing worse than a chick infatuated with a breeding bad boy is a chick infatuated with a fag bad boy – they really are messed in the head (and see how she’s still extolling him at the end??

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  7. on November 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm Lucky White Male

    CH – I’m surprised you or no one has mentioned, the baddest serial killer of all

    I’d say it was Ted Bundy. Here is your Dark Triad trifecta, if we’re staying on this subject. He killed way more, and his “devilish” good looks truly intoxicated his unfortunate pretty young victims:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy

    He clearly had high IQ and was the picture of narcissistic beguiling charm. He escaped custody and evaded the law. Interestingly, his last words before being executed (over 30 murders – CH readers can indulge in the gory details), He blamed pornography for pushing him over the edge into sadistic madness

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  8. I wonder when the general public will start recognizing and asking questions about female nature.

    Probably never lol

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  9. I know a woman who is a Hybristophiliac. She hates herself.

    Some of these guys fuck corpses, torture, mutilate and dismember children. They have no conscience, no remorse, no guilt. They’re monsters in human form.

    Most women are disgusted and repulsed by these men…except the sick ones.

    I’ve met both these women and these men. Experience trumps written fantasies every time, fantasies about how most women secretly harbor these fantasies about these guys.

    [CH: hybristophilia is the extreme manifestation of the natural female desire for killer men. it’s similar to how anorexia is the extreme form of the natural female desire to be thin and sexy so that they may attract the best possible man. in both cases, a normal, natural instinct becomes perverted by exaggerated neural wiring.]

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    • CH, Is it fair to argue then, that killer men are the extreme manifestation of men that are capable of being agressive, and if the need arises they will kill in order to protect themselves or others? In other words serial killers are the perverted and extreme manifestation of courageous men. Therefore you could say that the natural unperverted desire of women is of courageous men (aka not wussies).

      [CH: redo. missed the above ref. anorexics aren’t attractive to men. but killers are attractive to women. so the analogy is not conducive to a simple overlay.]

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    • Interesting thing about anorexia, CH: it is a fashion sickness. Just like cutting yourself (something mostly women do) is fashion. “I cut myself to feel pain outside instead of inside!” No, you do it because you saw it on TV.

      In the past there was no anorexia. But women were hysterics. That’s why Freud and his gang could feast on the money from so many middle-class women, who wanted treatment for hysteria. They had heard of it from their friends, and presto, they became hysterics.

      Anorexia didn’t use to exist in Hong Kong. Instead they had their own homegrown sickness: women would go thin and get swollen bellies. Then the media started reporting on anorexia in America, and in less than a year, the swollen-belly syndrom disappeared and these Hong Kong women became anorectics American-style instead.

      [CH: culture, and media, both shape and reflect these sorts of eruptions of extremes in taste. some girls do cut to calm their inner hamsters, and the media does play a role in glamorizing cutting. it’s a feedback loop.]

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      • ‘They had heard of it from their friends, and presto, they became hysterics.’

        Of course they did – the treatment for hysteria was the psychiatrist giving the hysteric woman an orgasm. That is also how vibrators got invented, psychiatrists got tired of giving handjobs to half their patients:

        http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201303/hysteria-and-the-strange-history-vibrators

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 2:51 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Psychotherapy always seems like a scam to me. There’s tons of people who visit a shrink regularly to no effect.

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      • Hugh, yes, Freud actually never cured a single patient. This is shown by his own documentation. The patient he called the Wolfman, for example, visited him regularly for seven years without getting better. The “psychodynamic” psychiatry Freud invented was quackery, coming up with explanations “in your childhood” out of the blue and with no proof whatsoever. It made patients hate their parents, and hate their own supposed filthy inner selves. For example, the ludicrous claim that if you put up an inherited sword on your wall, then you’re a homosexual because it is “phallic”. Freud and his gang wanted everyone in Austria, and all of Western Europe, to think that they were filth. This made their culture easier to attack. It is no coincidence that Freud and Marx are the two idols worshipped by Marxist “sociology” professors today. Open a sociology textbook and you’ll see both of those Tribe members referred to casually, as if they were authorities.

        Interesting that the only man in Freud’s circle who broke with him was Jung, who was as far as I know the only non-Jew in the group. He was also considered Freud’s most brilliant disciple before he abandoned Freud’s beliefs.

        However, psychology today is much different. At least in most of the world – away from the network in New York, Los Angeles etc. Psychology today is simply therapy. Not trying to come up with imaginary reasons for your afflictions in your childhood, but helping you get by and lead a normal life.

        Compare it to physical exercise. You don’t need to spend hours guessing at why you are weak. You only need a training program that makes you stronger. That is therapy today.

        In most universities in the West, “dynamic” psychiatry has been abandoned long ago. But there are still some who stick to the quackery. Mostly the network mentioned above, with its stronghold in New York City.

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      • on November 25, 2013 at 9:04 pm Guy Above Me is a Retard

        Ignore the comment above; it is rife with such fallacious and inaccurate data that I am inclined to believe he is a troll.

        Example for fun: one of his first sentences

        “Freud never cured a single patient” LOL! Untrue.

        Also, even if it were, not curing =/= not successfully mitigating by treatment

        Another retarded shitposter that needs to be expunged.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm The Prince that was promised

      Your name actually sparked a guess as to the justification of Hybristophilia. During the times of constant war and violence between rival tribes, It could be that the women who successfully mated and/or pair bonded with the most capable and dangerous men from rival tribes increased the survival rate of her offspring and her tribe of relatives. It could be If we take it a step further and said she mated with the most dangerous men of ALL the powerful rival tribes and got pregnant these men would be hesitant to destroy her tribe since they could be potentially killing their own offspring. War deterrence by the threat of potential genetic suicide.

      A man destroys a powerful enemy by killing him, making him his friend, or forcing him. A women need only spread her legs.

      Oh and speaking of Wallace here is William Wallace with a girl with possible hybristophilia.

      This is a work of fiction I know but in this position she benefits by having his baby.
      She will enjoy a battle proven genetic load (heh) relative to her possibly homosexual and positively incompetent husband.
      Wallace will have less incentive to rebel if his own son will inherit the crown.
      Even if he continues and his rebellion is successful she secures her position if she is already pregnant with his child.

      As a disclaimer this is just an invented narrative to fit the evidence. It is a guess.

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    • The attempt to convince CH of the golden mean in this case is beside the point, and it only arouses his paranoia about nuanced dissent (“summarily banned for possessing the lethal combination of trollery and studied ignorance”).

      He is making a shocking statement to establish one countervailing pole at the extreme, an equalizer that has disappeared over the last century. Wisdom means finding the middle — sophrosune — between two opposites at the margins, e.g., courage is the golden mean between cowardice and rashness. See Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics, II.ii.

      It is better to say that women are most attracted to men who have achieved the golden mean between liberty and security. But — and this is the decisive but — the reason we call out the behavior of the beta is because “The time is out of joint: O cursed spite, / That ever [were we] born to set it right.”

      In this estrogenated era we have gone overboard officially admiring stability and providership (called “beta” here) in men while pretending that the man of excitement-bordering-on-danger (called “alpha” here) can be vilified. Therefore alpha “killer” becomes a heavy counterweight designed to balance boring feminist-beta constancy, an extreme which now crowds the center. The further off the opposite deep end a culture is, the more extreme the corrective required.

      Matt

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      • I think women are attracted to men at different points along the Scalzi-Manson line, usually closer to Manson of course. (I suspect Chinese women were selected to prefer men closer to Scalzi than European women, due to that culture’s long history of civilization, where acting out would get you beheaded or castrated and the way to power was to study Confucian classics to get a government job. With African women it is the opposite.)

        Most men are too close to Scalzi these days.

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      • It is a difference in kind, not of degree. When James Dean was brooding and vrooming his speedster and rebelling against his parents, Jeffrey Dahmer was vivisecting cats and J.E. Duncan was raping young boys.

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      • The problem is that these disciples lack the ability to separate the truth from the art. And why do they lack this ability? As tired as you try to make it seem, it really is because they stay inside and avoid field experience. So, rather than an extreme designed to serve as a beacon pointing toward the ideal, the pieces become a final destination, which leads to despair that masquerades as bitterness. Of course, this despair has the unfortunate effect of making it less likely for the reader to GO OUT™.

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      • You have caromed off on a tangent to repeat your market-tested PUA jingle for the thousandth time. It’s a good fundamental, but it doesn’t magically explain every deficiency.

        The problem with the great, even vital tools like first-hand experience and learning by repetition is not they are limited in their utility. The problem is that it is too widely applicable to most situations. If you were able to keep its limits in their proper context, that would be fine. But having seen how it is indeed the solution to a hundred difficulties, you assume it is the solution to all difficulties and appropriate to every circumstance. You are limiting your analytical power.

        What separation of truth and art are you talking about in re serial killers and feminist-invented betatude? I don’t follow. Most of us have zero experience with serial killers.

        Matt

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      • Art = chicks dig serial killers. Sensational, provocative. Truth = chicks dig power. Experience = watching who goes home with the girls and who stays dry-dicked. Application = finding the link between reality and art —> power.

        You can see the fruit of misapplication in this comment section. Waaah women are evil, waah they desire evil, waaah.

        I never said it was the solution to all difficulties. I named — and continue to name — a very specific issue: people repeatedly fail to learn the lessons in these posts. Instead, they just take them at face value.

        Yes, I think going out into the world will help these men separate (admittedly good) propaganda from the real content. So rather than it explaining every deficiency, it’s explaining one particular deficiency — the failure to synthesize all these particulars into the universal.

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      • I would define art as something more robust than exaggerating for effect, particularly when that exaggeration stretches the truth past its breaking point. That’s why I didn’t quite follow you.

        “Going out into the world will help” a great many things. It is generally recommended. But I don’t think there is much of a practical lesson here. CH is postulating/extrapolating from an typical experience (badboys) to a textbook atypical experience (death row inmates) and in the process making a mighty conceptual leap.

        I disagree that women are attracted to the “badness” of badboys, and I don’t think the abnormal attraction to condemned sociopaths is connected to the normal attraction to independent men, however evilly that independence might be manifested in any given case. They are apples and oranges. One is a clinically depraved impulse, the other is naturally resident in every woman’s breast.

        Your average everyday badboy is expressing his attractive freedom, whereas the death row inmates are an extreme manifestation of slavery to evil (and literal enslavement — prison — to boot), which is also powerfully attractive, but only to a discrete subset of deluded chicks with poorly trained consciences, and attractive in a qualitatively different way. It’s the difference between yearning for liberation versus a mania for suicide, which only the severely disillusioned/downtrodden will imagine to be liberating.

        Matt

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  10. I tell a bitch like dis: “Bitch! You without me is like Haaaaail Mehvin without the BLUE notes — ya nevah go platinum!!!”

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  11. The 64,000 dollar question…

    Did the serial killers do it for their own amused mastery or to get chicks?

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    • It could be evolution pushing a good trait to point it becomes a disadvantage. Similar to how intelligence in geeks evolved to help a family live through a deadline but now is a handicap.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 12:56 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      They do it because they’re the extreme manifestations of a few different kinds of mental illness. Sometimes their compulsions are the result of physical pathologies—it’s quite common for them to have a history of severe, traumatic brain injury. They also frequently have a childhood history of severe abuse and/or neglect. However, very few of them meet the legal definition of insanity: They are not dissociated from reality, and they know what they are doing is wrong.

      And before anybody jumps in to call me a squishy liberal apologist (or of harboring secret tingles), none of the above is evidence that they should be treated with the same compassion that we offer to mentally ill people who haven’t hurt anyone. They should simply be put down like the rabid dogs that they are.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 5:01 pm I-got-Raped-on-my-chinny's Dumber

        Boo hoo, I continuously put myself in bad situations and swoon for abusive men – that’s why I have dated men that have physically abused me and even raped me – so to alleviate myself of the cognitive dissonance created by both my tingles for badboys and my revulsion toward my masochistic ways, I will write on the internet that criminals should simply be “put down like the rabid dogs that they are.”

        Yes, that’ll help me feel better about constantly spreading my legs for assholes! (as well as the hurt I feel from being a chain-smoking lowlife with the body of a 10 year old Chinaman)

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    • I’m going to say Door #1. I cannot fathom someone waking up and saying, “Well, how to get laid today? Ahh, old man earl is downstairs, probably best to cut his throat while he sleeps…”

      Serial killers strike me as the severe form of the so called “adrenaline junkie” and from what I’ve read in interviews there is corroborative evidence of this. I use to hang with dudes that were AJs and so we’d go motoring on crotch rockets like fucking maniacs through traffic, class 5 whitewater trips, skydiving, etc.

      The rush of dancing with death is quite powerful once you’ve suppresed fear which is the natural state of being in such situations. It is also the reason that many soldiers and cops generally end up -very- fucked up if they have been doing that job for a while.

      You eat your dinner next to the guy you just domed with a machinegun enough times and it is just as pedestrian as sitting at a table. You rotate back to society and it is like someone turned the volume down to 0. It took me a long while to adjust to a job where not every 5th motherfucker I would see just as soon kill me as shake my hand. And even if you do ‘normalize’ there is that killer instinct always latent in the background.

      I’m guessing that planning and engaging in murder as sport or hobby probably brings that same thing but an order of magnitude higher since at least in the case of soldiers and cops they aren’t always “on” in that way.

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    • Why 64,000 dollars?

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    • For the lulz, I imagine.

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  12. theory: killing and general bad-boyness is a proxy for, or display of, or a civilization and its discontents type fucked up marker of… necessary male weaning from and independence from Mother. These guys have been pushed out/left the female/sole alpha male dominated pride and as such are more sexually attractive than the betas/dormant/immature males still in the pride/in civilization who are, basically, not as or non-sexual in comparison.

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  13. on November 22, 2013 at 12:32 pm Life at Calhoun's Lake

    “star lawyer on a cocaine-fueled semantics bender.”

    I’m stealing this line. Will be whipping it out in court weekly.

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  14. “Anyone who comes to this blog to insist, against the mountain of evidence proving otherwise, that only skanks or fugs or very rare specimens of womanhood with mental illness fall for the alluring charms of alpha male killers and crooks will be summarily banned for possessing the lethal combination of trollery and studied ignorance.”

    Of course not. Who would do that? When faced with such an abundance of evidence of beautiful, classy females enamored with prison folk…Women everywhere get wet from a good serial killer story.

    [CH: copies of ’50 shades of gray’ sold: millions.]

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    • 95% of women like to be tied up by their approved lovers. I’d estimate that 5% actually are freaked out by it–these are not good in bed.

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    • I had forgotten the part in 50 shades when they were eating stew, and that gay vampire…excuse me, the billionaire-who-liked-to-buy-her-things mentioned they were eating the flesh of an old fling.

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    • It’s a continuum. Plenty of women who don’t go after serial killers find somewhat-dangerous men attractive–cops or soldiers, someone who you know *can* kill even if you don’t think he’ll do it in a socially unapproved way. Bondage is part of that–danger and helplessness.

      P.S. In my experience, it’s usually the more masculine, higher-T women who are into teh kink. OKcupid actually allows you to design and test these hypotheses pretty easily–in my area, the kinkier girls are either feminists or the occasional right-wing professional woman.

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  15. The wikipedia definition of hybristophilia includes robbery as an “outrage crime”. Huh? I dated a felon (released) previously myself but I think there is a big distinction between serial killers/rapists and a badass bank robber. Most women are going to draw the line at the guy who kills just for the fun of it.

    A few years ago I interviewed a guy convicted of multiple rapes and murders at Sing Sing, a max security prison north of NYC. Sitting with him scared me to death and there was nothing arousing about it.

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    • would you do a session at www (dot) hogtied (dot) come for $15,000.00 ?

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      • I see what you did there.

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      • I don’t. But I’m not sure I want to.

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      • Go to hogtied dot com and tell me if you’d do a session for $15,000.

        Most women (without knowing it) would PAY for that treatment. They LOVE it. But us real guys in the real world don’t get to do that to them. A large portion of this blog is really covered by hogtied dot com. Really. Also King’s point about pain substituting for childbirth. I should start my own BDSM website and be the producer and male actor, which is what these guys have done. There are not 1,000 women who love being tied up and fucked. No, there are 1,000 websites each with 55,000 movies of 2,000 such women.

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      • Lol… no, I would never pay, or be paid, to be in any type of sex video. It doesn’t matter whether it’s something I like doing (privately and with a committed partner) or not.

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      • @Amy obvious womanly ducking of the question. The question (quite clearly) is whether you would do the session–not related to whether there is a sex video made of it. So actually you did answer the question–the things depicted at hogtied dot com are things you like doing privately with a committed partner. Yep. Women want that in the real world but very few real/regular men (who also want it) get to do that to their real life GFs/wives. It leads to unhappiness all around. My ex GF “let” (loved when I did it) me tie her up–nothing crazy, no pain–just arms playfully tied behind the back with a necktie or to the bed post above her head…then teasing and normal sex…no pain or anything like that. Every time we did that she GUSHED her love for me (“you have NO idea how much I love you”). It literally transformed her, because she LOVED being taken like that and feeling how a man feels being a real man doing that like a cave man and like all other meat eating mammals (sex is rape), but because of our society, even though I know I’m right, even I have been conditioned to feel guilty like I’m a “perv” for wanting to do it, so of course to prove I’m not a perv we only did that like 15% of the time. Other times sex was vanilla. Now I lost her. I know for a FACT that had I been more of an asshole, more of a man, was rougher in bed, tied up up all the time because that’s what I wanted to do, I’d still have her right now. She LOVED it but society did not allow or or me to “go for it” and let each other know that, sufficiently.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 4:52 pm Amy is a dumb whore

        Don’t mind this retard Amy.

        Amy – a few posts ago where you posted some really dumb shit, and got told by CH himself and then you proceeded to cry yourself into a ball, send a frowney face, and then avoid the topic – I surmised that you probably are some white trash lowlife with a low socioeconomic status in society. It’s good to see that my conjecture was right.

        I literally almost spit out my food when I saw that you dated a felon, and then – moreover – you actually go to prisons and interview serial murderers and rapists. What a high-class and useful cog for society you are. LOL!

        Do I know how to call them or what?!

        Ugly intellectually-dishonest bimbo, see yourself to the CH doors. Good riddance.

        This is the kind of paradox we get with ‘red-pill’ women – you either get to choose between the sweet, attractive, desirable women that don’t understand the dynamics of female sexuality, or you get “red-pillers” (only by name) like I-got-Raped-a-chinny Daughter or Amy that are so emotionally damaged, drawn to the dregs of society, and fraught with so much of both physical and mental baggage that they should be heiresses to Samsonite.

        P.S. I always thought that you reminded me of the 2nd coming of Avril, as aforementioned in the CH post above. Let’s hope so!

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    • “Most women are going to draw the line at the guy who kills just for the fun of it.”

      That line that they (or y’all; women in general) draw is just psychological. Draw lines all day, it won’t affect what and who you are attracted to. Besides, nobody here is going to believe what you say about who you are attracted to.

      At least you acknowledge that bank robbery is badass.

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      • “Draw lines all day, it won’t affect what and who you are attracted to.”

        Um, yea it does. Just because serial killers share a combination of traits with, say, hedge fund uber-alphas doesn’t mean they’re exactly the same. I can cheerfully admit being attracted to the so called “dark triad” traits– or at least a degree of them– as long as they’re not accompanied by evil.

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      • That fact that investment bankers get *any* respect, at all, from everyone, proves that everyone should engage in mass murder. They are *stupid* and get zero training in ethics. They are fucking gay compared to lawyers. And fuck every one of you women who spreads your legs for and calls IBs “alpha.”

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      • Ah, the voice of the career-less. If there were no investors, where would you get a job? Maybe you’ll start your own company with your savings? And where would you buy the supplies, fuel and electricity for that company? From other one-man businesses started with life-long savings?

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      • Investment bankers don’t create jobs, you nimrod. They gamble with others’ wealth and, if anything, destroy jobs because of their usuriousness.

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      • I mean, investment bankers have been making record wealth these last few years while the economy has been absolutely terrible.

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      • That bullshit doesn’t fly around here, shylock.

        No one is arguing that usurious do-nothingmanship isn’t sewn into the very fabric of our deeply sick, post-industrial, post-western world.

        It’s just that we see that for what it

        IS,

        CUNT.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 9:06 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

        Investors use investment-banking houses for the same reason folks use a brokerage when they need to sell their house. Because bringing together buyer-&-seller is a specialized business.

        Pimps exist because hookers don’t want to bother with the business end of the business.

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 2:55 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Banks do little to no actual investing.

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      • “That bullshit doesn’t fly around here, shylock.

        No one is arguing that usurious do-nothingmanship isn’t sewn into the very fabric of our deeply sick, post-industrial, post-western world.

        It’s just that we see that for what it

        IS,

        CUNT.”

        Ahh! The voice of the uneducated hating those who have made something of themselves. And, uh, “Shylock” is spelled with S, not s. That’s okay, I expect you never amounted to much in class.

        Typical name-calling and flying off the handle when someone says something you don’t like. Funny, the computer you are typing away on (paid for by welfare?) comes from a business that started off by being INVESTED IN. By bankers or other investors. Otherwise it could never have produced that computer. The same goes for the company that made the lightbulb that lights up your basement dwelling, the corporations that made the clothes you are wearing, etc. All of them got off the ground only through investors. I am sure you are grateful when (if) you can think clearly again, but you are too busy chewing the carpet right now.

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      • “Hugh G.”, investment banks give loans to those who ask for it for their business to get off the ground. That’s called investing.

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      • on November 25, 2013 at 1:40 am Arbiter of Stupidity, and it's in my own posts

        Ignore Arbiter. 80% (conservative estimate) of his posts are actually shit he makes up (“lololol u must get no pussy” or some such permutation), or pedantic garbage like picking away at grammar because someone – gasp – was too lazy to capitalize a name.

        He says anything except things on topic and is unable to discuss matters coherently. He is the lethal combination of a eugenic combination against nature of a male hamster and white knight

        See the posts a little below that discusses Amy’s intellectual dishonesty, stupidity, and lack of integrity by other posters (as well as CH himself in other threads). He chimes in with such a thoughtful white-knighting remark like “lololol if u criticize a woman u must get no pussy”, his favorite kind of remark. Delusional to the max,

        I can see it now: “Hey Amy, it’s me Arbiter – I defended you on the internet that one time, remember – wanna have sex?”

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      • What is a “hedge fund uber-alpha”?

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      • 2nd this question.

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      • “I can cheerfully admit being attracted to the so called “dark triad” traits– or at least a degree of them– as long as they’re not accompanied by evil.”

        “I dated a felon (released) previously myself but I think there is a big distinction between serial killers/rapists and a badass bank robber.”

        [CH: it’s amazing the rapidity with which the women here outed themselves, unwittingly or not, as lovers and desirers of thug badboys.]

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      • I’ve been admitting it since day one! The only thing I argue over is being lumped in with the wingnuts who salivate over the Charles Mansons of the world. YES, it is possible to be heavily attracted to the felon ex-drug dealer tattooed tough guy YET be completely skeeved out by serial killers and rapists. YES they share some of the same traits– not all of them “good”– but they have some important differences.

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      • Look at what you just posted and the quotes above, and try to spot the inconsistency.

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      • on November 24, 2013 at 6:22 pm I-Raped-Amy'-Ass-Now- She-Loves-Me-And-Stalks-Me

        Yeah she’ not attracted to Charlie. He’s too old for her!

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 5:36 pm Amy is a whore that needs to be Raped-on-her-chinny

        As usual, CH is right on the money.

        I have been calling out for a few threads now – as I suspected – both Raped-on-my-chinny and Amy for their typical solipsistic behavior of spreading their legs for badboy thugs and try to either hamster it away or downplay it. They would either avoid the topic entirely, or in RD’s special case, actually pick apart my syntax (lol) instead of focus on the subject matter at hand of the dark triad’s allure to women.

        People like this are undoubtedly damaged goods and subversive for society, and it’s good to see that my instincts of them having baggage that make them undesirable proven correct by their own admission of having loved criminals and felons. Do I know how to call them or what?! Reading CH for years comes with benefits.

        A question I ask to both CH himself and the audience, why does it seem that red-pill women are all fucked in the head with emotional problems from having put themselves in bad situations, and the more sweet, chaste, and lovable girls to be more in ignorance of red-pill biological realities?

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      • Lol, did I reject you in a bar or something?

        In addition to obvious mental illness, you have a reading comprehension problem. What badboy-loving behavior have I been playing down? I’ve said numerous times I had a relationship with a “badboy” felon. I’m not denying anything. What else do you want, pictures?

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      • Amy and co would never dream of admitting to being drawn to the full Dark Triad of traits. Secretly they want it – which is why she interviews criminals, looking for that one felon who will make her labia dribble with lustful juices.

        Why do you think that they all hang around us guys who are developing the Dark Triad in ourselves. They get the thrill of seeing us grow, they get the thrill of knowing what we are becoming, they get the thrill that they secretly desire from us.

        It’s just boring seeing the hamster running.

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      • “It’s just boring seeing the hamster running.”

        Yet you wingnuts keep following us around to read and comment on our posts.

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      • “solipsistic”? Look up that one in a dictionary and come back here.

        I can always spot the losers who never get any dates. They freak out when there is a woman in the discussion. In fact, they freak out easily over a lot of things.

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      • Did I reject you in a bar or something?

        Game, set, match.

        This dude is so absurd I am forced to conclude it’s all a put-on. Or a badly conceived come-on. This is the generous interpretation, because I refuse to believe anyone reading this site would reduce himself to such patent omega trollery.

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      • Reject me at a bar? Obvious mental illness?

        Oh sweetheart, are ad hominem attacks and fabrications about me your last resort due to the embarrassment and shame you feel from having been told off – by both me and CH – the past 3 or 4 threads this week and a half?

        I recall CH even asking you to “not to stray between the lines” or some such things. You are a clown.

        And how do you respond to the illumination of topics – particularly those concerning female attraction to jerks – after being educated? You would either try to change the topic, fantasize about me hitting on you in a delusional fantasy, or say “Et tu, CH?” and send a frowny face.

        I think if you look around here, and elsewhere, at the other commenters supporting me (Matt King is an exception – but he is a known fraud and white-knighting buffoon whose religious hypocrisy has been called out by me in the past, and he has since failed to respond to me), it is clear that you are an unwanted blemish on our lovely community.

        Knowing that you’re the half-nigger bastard spawn of a weak father – whose “job” for society is to interview the badboys at prison that get you wet and the same tattooed thugs that get you wet that shit up society – only adds icing onto a cake already built from ironic foundations.

        Oh, and finally, and accusing me of having hit on you (as if I were such a masochist hitting on an ugly old solipsistic imbecile who had ridden the thug version of the cock carousel all her wretched life) is what happens when your inner hamster projects. I think you like being abused – verbally or otherwise – so I am pretty sure I am right on the money, but sorry, no, I don’t want to fuck you.

        What mental disorder do you have being such an idiot, having to keep being corrected topic after topic and yet still not grasp Chateau tenets, and then levy insults and change subjects when faced with the truth?

        And you can start your penitence – as you suggested – by posting naked pictures of yourself kneeling in symbolic subjugation to your better-educated Chateau overlords, like me.

        “Et tu, Patrice?” 😦

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      • Oh dear Matt, am I really such things? I guess then it’s all the worse for you then, considering the inadequacy you have shown in debating me, and the cowardice in your soul that prevents you from replying to me after I have shown and pointed out your errors and hypocrisies. But I guess levying ad hominems on me, projecting your own deficiencies, and avoiding me in a discussion is how you cope.

        Did I scare you, creame puff, so much so that the previous womb you harbored in your mind that formed the genesis for your verbose and obsolete baroque prose has now become its tomb?

        Here is my message, repeated a 2nd time.

        ——————-
        The poor little raped girl won’t play with me anymore. I guess she got offended and dumbfounded when I found her dismissal of my ideas – concerning her poor butthurt demeanor, denial of dark triadic principles, and her wretched existence as a chain-smoking damaged goods shemale victim with small tits that is devoid of any kind of motherly instincts – to be laughably transparent, and her desperate obsession with my syntax to be pathetically informative of how embarrassed and ashamed she must feel to stay on topic.

        But Matt – our resident hypocrite – will you play with me? Or is it just more obfuscation and misdirection – ignore me calling you out on your shit, and just throw some ad hominem at me? What’s the personality disorder associated with throwing false accusations at people, and instead of apologizing about it when called out, acting like some nigger tribal lord saying that you attack everyone indiscriminately and without regard?

        I am no believer in the Bible – but, to give you objective advice – I don’t think you do a good job in convincing people of the integrity of faith. What did Nietzsche say about that again?

        I am still waiting, Matt. You have recently made up shit about me that I had attacked you previously, and when I corrected you by saying that I had never even spoken to you before, and even added a little delicious irony by truthfully saying that I had actually defended you, you acted like a petulant little twat. Where is my apology?

        Oh, right, you are too busy white-knighting dumb whore Amy, despite her being completely wrong about various matters, and having been called out by CH himself in the last few threads MULTIPLE TIMES. She was wrong about the dark triad, and after being corrected – acting in a manner similar manner to yours, i.e. obfuscation, misdirection, and a change of topic – acted like a pedantic child, and said things like “Y tu CH?” with a frowney face, and “Okay my last comment was lame, but…”

        Let’s not even mention how in a recent thread she admits to spreading her legs for a convicted felon and working at a PRISON of all places. Do you enjoy defending people who are obviously wrong, damaged, or is your white-knighting impulse that strong that no amount of CH knowledge can ever save you? You do not belong here.

        I invite all of our glorious readers to see some of Amy’s recent moronic comments when she got schooled by CH, and by yours truly. She truly is the new shitposter de jour.

        So, dear friend, is this the kind of contempt for truth I can expect from such believers like you, Matt?

        Also, since I am so proud of my most recent lampooning of you, and in full dismay of not receiving a response yet from your cowardly self (but without complete surprise), I will repost it here right in your face – both of them – and laugh.


        “Oh Matt, you write so beautifully. It is a dear shame that I’ll have to pick apart the profound fallacies.

        In fact – the syntax and prose, in your post that is otherwise devoid of any sort of evidence, facts, or basic common sense – is the only drop of virtue you have in a black sea of lies. But I was always a fan of the baroque.

        In any case, of course I don’t expect you to keep track of my various “noms de plume.” In fact, I hadn’t even posted here much prior to when you last accused me of persecuting you, and never even having had the pleasure of speaking to you.

        But what I do expect is for you to keep your mouth shut and your evidence available before laying false accusation on people.

        But then again, what do religious people know about summoning evidence before accusing others of things, or believing in nebulous things anyway? Any evidence yet for that flying spaghetti monster of yours?

        But I will educate you and make amends. The Bible – something that you aren’t as familiar with you as claim to be – asks me to forgive you for your ignorance. And I do.

        Of course, none of this even mentions the actual subject matter in which I schooled Amy about the implications and lore of the Dark Triad – a topic I noticed you skipped over entirely. I wonder why? I don’t need Dr. Freud to tell me why you white-knight a dumb bimbo that got told by CH himself, or why you are avoiding the topic of the Dark Triad.

        She must not understand much about the Chateau to have been so confused, and CH himself had to educate her. But if these ‘commentators’ are the ones you value, Matt, and the ones – like me – who instruct her and correct her are the ones that you are contemptuous toward, what does that tell us about you here, Matt? Are you sure this is the right place for you? Mormon.org is that-a-way —->

        I won’t even begin to tear apart the whole ‘intense contempt = infatuation’ theory that you present. Last I heard such juvenile stupidity was in the 2nd grade. I guess, by your understanding, I like mosquitos and paying taxes, and CH likes SWPL, fat chicks, leftoids, proles, cheap chalupas, purple saguaros, betas, and Obama. Great logic you have!

        But it’s okay Matt- I will assume that you think that it is the end of days, as Revelations had written. Cats and dogs play with each other, and shitposting commentators like Amy get white-knighting accolades, and “mean” people like men who don’t whitewash reality and correct its deniers get persecuted by the very people they defended in the past. What do religious people know about hypocrisy, anyway?

        Matt. King of Misdirection and Fairytales

        P.S. Retard Amy, would you like to be my Sugar Plum fairy? It comes in size XXXL, so no worries.”

        ———

        Oh, and if I were to guess a pathology *for you* Matty boy, I would bet on something along the lines of bipolar disorder. We knew from before that you are sexually inexperienced, but from your posts that seem to sway back and forth from complimenting and insulting RD, you seem sexually confused too.

        My solution to clean up the hallowed Chateau walls: put Amy, Matt, and RD into a package, and cast them all into the flames; for they all contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.
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      • Hey guys it’s Matt, I want you all to know that in my corrupted conception of Christianity that I follow in my own delusional mind, I am able to throw out ad hominem insults and make up shit about people due to a combination of anger and bitterness at my inability to respond to a person’s posts that discuss my hypocrisy, my stupidity, and my lack of capacity to stay on topic because my opponent’s coherent points have rendered me speechless and quivering.

        I am a religious man, but I do not practice what I preach by levying false accusations upon people, avoid honest debates, and defend another person that is unequivocally wrong solely based on the fact that she is a woman. I have always had problems with the opposite sex because Jesus commands me to be a white-knighting vagina.

        Now if you don’t mind, I have girls to white-knight, goats to slaughter to fulfill my obligations from Leviticus, a puppet of RD to create because I feel so lonely (of all people, I respect RD and Amy the most; old single solipsistic cock-carousel riding unfeminine women with battered bodies from abuse that spread themselves for thugs pique my interest because of my Jesus complex), and a thesaurus to memorize in lieu of accumulating real-world experience and the common sense not attained by religious nut-cases.

        Oh, and if baby Jesus isn’t looking, I’ll give Greg Eliot a good penis wash while discussing our coherent beliefs in a flying spaghetti monster. Adieu!

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      • “Now if you don’t mind, I have girls to white-knight, goats to slaughter to fulfill my obligations from Leviticus, a puppet of RD to create because I feel so lonely ”

        Best sock puppet ever!

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      • John Dillinger is the embodiment of this persona. The guy was a fucking rockstar for most of his life and he had vag flowing like mana from heaven everywhere he went.

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    • I….myself…..I…..me…..

      Now please tell us what solipsism means, Amy.

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  16. I thought this was going to be about Charlie’s recent engagement. I’m a bit disappointed.

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  17. @YaReally / CH

    I took a high quality two-set home last night. Bouncers giving me respect as we left the club. That’s nice. Logistically though, things fizzled out when we got to my place. Looking for ways to improve the situation next time it happens.

    1am enter top club in big metropolitan American city. Get a vibe going with two Europeans girls. Very sexy, mid-twenties. Very high-status in this environment. One is a stripper, the other works bottle service. Light chatting for 15 minutes, they can sense I can hang. They invite me to an abandoned bottle service booth.

    There they start to make plans to eject from their group of a dozen girls. We’re going X place, do you want to join us? I tell them my place is nearby, tell them to join me first, they agree.

    Pretty sure my first mistake was failure to escalate happened in this moment, when we were in “huddle formation” in the booth and they had selected me as a potential inseminator. IMHO taking the reigns and deciding where we were going next wasn’t enough leadership, at least sexual leadership. Probably better to have sat in between both (rather than to the side of one), and whispered in both their ears (rather than talk face to face). Basically be bold.

    Cab ride in bottle service girl starts referencing her DD tits. I tease a bit, but not directly referencing her tits. Looking back dropped the ball. Could have escalated there.

    Long story short, they arrive, the mood inside is dull. Roommate there with too chumpy girls = lowers status. I get music, lower the lights. They go cold. Lack of interest, muted contempt, they’ve already made plans to eject. (Didn’t even ask for numbers, just figure they demoted me to beta and text game would seem hard to believe.)

    Pretty sure excitement level was too low. Definitely take responsibility for it. Been in similar situations, taking a two-set home, and fucking one in front of their friend, but on that occasion, had already escalated with that girl prior. So guessing the missing piece here was escalation: executing it at the club, in the cab, and immediately at my destination. Communicating through action: You selected me, I know what I’m doing, and I’m going to push your boundaries step-by-step, and I’m good at it.

    Thinking something like leading them to body shots on arrival would have been the best call.

    Tips on verbal and physical escalation welcome.

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    • @darkhorse

      You pretty much answered your own question. Just confirming your observations:

      “I tell them my place is nearby, tell them to join me first, they agree.”

      Solid.

      “IMHO taking the reigns and deciding where we were going next wasn’t enough leadership, at least sexual leadership. Probably better to have sat in between both (rather than to the side of one), and whispered in both their ears (rather than talk face to face). Basically be bold.”

      Yep. You were a cool guy, but you pulled them home without building any sexual attraction. Of course they’ll come see what your place/party is like because you’ve seemed cool/charming so far so who knows maybe you’re a celebrity.

      And if your home was a badass party enviro and they got there and it’s all swank looking and you have music going and booze and hot people having a blast and your roommate has game and macks on the one who’s not your target and you guys put them up on the kitchen table to do body-shots etc., they might stick around.

      But you brought them to a quiet apartment with quiet people and ugly girls and no music etc. to basically sip a drink lol

      And that’s fine, if you’ve got a bunch of sexual attraction with one (or both) of them and it’s already on…but if you still have “work to do”, that’s not an environment to do it in.

      “I get music, lower the lights.”

      By then it’s already too late. Unless you are Stifler levels of energy solo, the mood is already dead the second you walk in and flip on bright kitchen lights and have to dig the alcohol out and go turn on music etc.

      Think about it from the perspective of two smokin’ hot “bouncer-give-you-props” quality mid-20s chicks who work as a stripper and at bottle service.

      On a fri/sat night, from the time you met them to the time you gave them a shot at your place, they probably got at least a dozen txts from guys who are offering them epic crazy parties that night. Offering them the chance to meet super high-value dudes, or to hang out with their close friends etc. They’re getting offers from dudes for BOTH of them to get fucked that night…they’re two hot girls, one of them isn’t going to sit on the couch with your roommate watching TV while you bang her friend unless you are massively high-value and she’s a good friend, ’cause they can walk into any bar in the city and walk out with two dudes so they can both get laid.

      Now they’ll pass all that up to hang at your place and bang you…IF they’re sexually attracted before they get there. But if you’re just a dude offering a mediocre “party”, the second they walked thru the door they were already planning to bail…it turns to resentment because at that point you become the guy preventing them from going to their awesome party lol

      “Cab ride in bottle service girl starts referencing her DD tits. I tease a bit, but not directly referencing her tits. Looking back dropped the ball. Could have escalated there.”

      Yep. When she’s shooting something like that at you, ON THEIR WAY TO YOUR APARTMENT (lol, like, in a bar that might just be teasing you, but in a cab to your place that’s a “hey look, just so you know, I need to get fucked tonight”), and you basically demonstrate that you don’t have a penis, their brain switches to “fuck this is a waste of time, buuuut let’s keep going since we’re already on the way and who knows, maybe it’ll turn out that his apartment is a mansion and he’s actually a rich celebrity…but man, it better not be just some quiet boring apartment hangout…the rich guys we met at the club we work at are at this party waiting for us. God we’ll be mad if this is a total waste of time…”

      “(Didn’t even ask for numbers, just figure they demoted me to beta and text game would seem hard to believe.)”

      Ya, really no reason to. It’s super unlikely that they’d ever txt you back beyond trying to turn you into an Orbiter chode. But hey, they taught you a good lesson about escalation, so it’s not a total loss. It’s all learning experiences. 🙂 You did good, you just didn’t move fast enough.

      “Pretty sure excitement level was too low.”

      To escalate to sex, you want to bring the energy down…but not halfway thru the night when they’ve ditched their party to go to another party with high-energy etc. AND you don’t have a sexual vibe with either of them. That’s bringing the energy down too soon and they aren’t done with their night yet.

      “Been in similar situations, taking a two-set home, and fucking one in front of their friend, but on that occasion, had already escalated with that girl prior. So guessing the missing piece here was escalation: executing it at the club, in the cab, and immediately at my destination.”

      Yep. Imagine you meet some random dude at the club and shoot the shit and get along well and you tell him you’re hitting the Playboy Mansion for a party in a bit and invite him and he’s like “nah, eff that man, you should come to my place.” You’re gonna assume “wow if he’s turning down the Playboy Mansion, he must have a bunch of smokin’ hotties at his place partying! I’m gonna’ check it out!” So you go along and you get there and he’s got like 10 super fat girls in a shitty basement party. You’re gonna’ be like “ffffffuuuuuu….” and bail ASAP and probably resent him.

      You didn’t promise these girls an epic party it doesn’t sound like, but they assume that in their minds because you were cool/social and the guys who normally invite them to shit invite them to crazy parties like the one they were heading to later.

      And again, allllll that would be okay IF you already had a lot of sexual attraction with one and it was basically guaranteed to be on for the lay…but without that, all that other shit comes into play.

      “Communicating through action: You selected me, I know what I’m doing, and I’m going to push your boundaries step-by-step, and I’m good at it.”

      Ya, it’s like when you have a fuckbuddy. If she txts you “hey” at 2am on a Saturday night, you go fuck her. She trusts you to understand she’s selected you, to know what you’re doing, and to push your boundaries and arrange judgement/guilt-free sex for the two of you. If you don’t fulfill your part of that unwritten deal, eventually you’ll lose her.

      “Thinking something like leading them to body shots on arrival would have been the best call.”

      Ya, but before that you should’ve been more physical. The tits thing in the cab was her last hail-mary at hoping you’d show you’re a clued in “secret society” guy.

      The highest % play in the booth would’ve been like you say, sitting between them, arms around them like it happens to you every day, and whispering in their ear etc. You may have been able to build enough sexual chemistry to neutralize your dull apartment vibe.

      The highest % play once they were in the cab would’ve been to escalate on the blonde and ask the girls if they’ve ever kissed eachother and gone for the 3-way makeout in the back of the cab (I’m sure the cabbie would approve lol) and, ideally, the 3-some at your place…by doing that, you may have created enough sexual chemistry to neutralize your dull appartment vibe.

      The highest % play once you were in the cab and she mentioned her tits and you didn’t escalate would have been to realize “ah shit, I missed the window, now we’re going to be heading to my dull place without enough sexual vibe” and said “you know what, fuck my place, let’s hit your party. I don’t know if I can trust you to know where I live yet, this one is clearly the stalking type. ;)”

      Now you’d be going into unknown territory by going to their party (never go to where the girls suggest ’cause they always pick a place where they have 50 Orbiters) and may lose the girls if the party is a bunch of high-value sausage social circle competition, BUT that’s a higher % play than practically GUARANTEED losing the girls by bringing them home to a quiet apartment without enough sexual attraction…also the other party would contain the possibility of meeting more girls similar in looks to them (since hot people tend to have social circles of equally hot people) that you would work if these two ditched you, and you’d be rolling in with a bit of social proof (if they don’t run off immediately and ignore you all night for the guys they have crushes on there or whatever lol), or at the least maybe make some decent social connections…but ideally you could win over their group and keep stoking attraction with the titty one, and then at the end of the night extract her to your place, which would be fine if it’s low-energy because she’s done partying and you have enough sexual attraction by then for it to be on, and you probably left her friend at the party so you have one on one isolation.

      Good stuff either way, you were solid enough to get them into a cab to your place and you learned some lessons. Good on you for even TRYING to push dropping by your place lol

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      • Christ it sucks that u r right. It does. This is not proper civilized society. Where are the fathers of these girls u r such a master of?

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      • @yarealy

        Thx man. Def not a celeb. Very broke actually.

        Approaching is not an issue, establishing I have value, getting attraction with hot women is not so much of an issue either. But leading that attraction to sex is a different issue.

        Basically the sexual element of my game is out of whack, both in timing and calibration. It’s a moral judgement thing, I feel bad expressing explicitly sexual overtures to women I don’t know, without drinking. Any advice on when and how to sexualize is greatly appreciated.

        Kind of interesting that about a year ago, I was in an almost identical situation, where two bottle service girls in town from Vegas (hard 9s) came back to my apt with two friends. Friends were very good at the sexualizing element, and by good I mean completely shameless. Girls got horny, one ends up hooking up with me. I did zero sexualizing, it actually feels very uncomfortable for me.

        Ironically, I’m making it awkward by approaching girls, leading them a bit and then essentially asking them to take the lead sexually. It’s deflating for them, it’s deflating for me.

        Actually have a team of hot orbiters who do date celebs but aren’t converting based on my inability to sexualize proficiently.

        Guess the other big question when reading you texts is how to read female responses to sexualization. Give you an example. If I text “You want to bang me” to a a variety of girls, I might get a variety of the responses, as represented by the examples below:

        1) radio silence. (would interpret this to mean no interest. red light.)

        2) “you’re a fucking pervert. erase my number.” (would interpret this to mean no interest. red light.)

        3) “ok.” (would interpret this as detached amusement, e.g. I think you’re beta if you keep talking to me, even if you escalate. red light.)

        4) “you must have the wrong girl.” (would interpret this to mean coy deflection, keep going and escalate more. green light.)

        5) “you have must have the wrong girl, because that would be disrespectful.” (would interpret this to mean coy deflection, keep going and escalate more; challenge to “own” and accept your ability to be disrespectful, e.g. you’re not going to wuss out and apologize. green light.)

        6) “hmm…maybe (deflection, plan logistics. green light.)

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      • Approaching is not an issue, establishing I have value, getting attraction with hot women is not so much of an issue either. But leading that attraction to sex is a different issue.

        Not an uncommon problem. You should visit the SoSuave forum, this comes up from time to time. Easier to discuss there than here.

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      • Good to know you’re still around yareally, in the middle of all these boring comments about jews ruling the world and badass cowboys/bikers super alpha males lol

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      • @yareally

        Tried posting a variation of this earlier but for some reason it didn’t get through. Curious what your take is.

        If you send an clear escalation text like “you want to bang me”, you’re likely to get a variety of responses based on the level of attraction that each girl has for you, and her readiness to submit.

        Here are five responses you might encounter…

        1) no response, radio silence
        2) “ok”
        2) “stop texting me”
        3) “you must have the wrong girl”
        4) “is this a joke, because it would be disrespectful otherwise”
        5) “I might…”

        My interpretations of the responses are…

        1) red light
        2) red light (amusement, not buying sexual frame)
        3) red light (disgust)
        3) green light (coyness), escalate
        4) green light (challenge confirmation), escalate, confirm you’re ok with being disrespectful. you “own” it, ok with bad boy style
        5) green light (affirmation), move to logistics

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      • messed up numbers but you get the idea…

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      • They’re all green lights to me. 😉 …except 2. lol. And even then, 2 could probably be turned around.

        I’m not really joking either. To me, if she’s responding at all, it’s all good. Whatever she responds with, handling it is simply a matter of calibrating (ie – if she sounds receptive then you keep going or escalate, and if she sounds unreceptive then you pull back a bit, get her emotions going, and try escalating again).

        “If you send an clear escalation text like “you want to bang me”, you’re likely to get a variety of responses based on the level of attraction that each girl has for you, and her readiness to submit.”

        Ideally you don’t want to send a txt like that until you KNOW she’s going to respond with a green light. Like, you shouldn’t GET a red light, because you should be calibrated enough to escalate when she’s attracted, not just randomly throwing it out there and hoping it works.

        Like I don’t really get Last Minute Resistance…it’s been years since I can remember having to diffuse LMR. But that’s because I’m calibrated enough now to know when it’s “on” and that I’ve handled all the logistics and ASD and comfort and shit, so when I push for the lay the entire road is all green lights.

        To me, if I get a red light, that’s an indicator that I fucked up calibrating somewhere or missed something, and I look back to try to figure out what it was I was missing (did I not have enough comfort? did I make her feel too slutty? did her friends dislike me or AMOG me? etc.) so that next time I can tighten that bolt.

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      • @YaReally shit. this whole review makes total sense.

        The problem is when you’re in that situation at least from my perspective I’m too outcome dependent and it goes to shit.

        2 situations: I met cute girl online 2 months ago. This was while my ex gf thing was winding down into the morass it became, so i had another girl.

        I met this new one, gamed her, perfectly escalated, banged her, let her go. Reel and release. it was text book perfect.

        The common factor in all this is when i don’t care…i do great. I can’t lose.

        it’s like everything combines and women are lined up.

        Then ex gf reaches out with text or something and i panic: what if i answer? how will it look, what if i don’t???? omg omg omg…

        When i go silent i worry.

        But that silence is the SAME silence i’m employing with nude-selfie sender girl.

        The only difference is how I feel.

        So this situation you describe above is a great learning but nothing to really get down about.

        The dude brought 2 girls home… winning. Now he’s got the learnings to do it again better.

        It’s the dudes who CANT get that far who really need the help.

        This is fine-tuning inner game not reprogramming your entire approach to women.

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      • @YaReally that above post by “anonymous” is me, just forgot to fill in the details. I always post under walawala

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      • “The common factor in all this is when i don’t care”

        Great point.

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      • “The common factor in all this is when i don’t care…i do great. I can’t lose.”

        Here’s Game summed up in one sentence: Treat a 10 like you’d treat a 4.

        “The problem is when you’re in that situation at least from my perspective I’m too outcome dependent and it goes to shit.”

        lol that’s how it goes. Outcome dependence happens when you pass your level of entitlement threshold…ie – how hot can a girl be before you start caring whether you get her or not.

        This is one of the hardest inner-game battles…but of course it’s hard, if it was easy every guy would all be fucking 10s every night. 🙂

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      • “Treat a 10 like you treat a 4”

        I think the kick here is that 4s are so far off the sexual radar that the statement needs to be modified…

        approach a 10 like you would approach a 4
        text a 10 like you would text a 4
        escalate with a 10 like you would escalate with a 4
        etc…

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      • I thought they just got rid of the filibuster.

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      • Now there’s an idea for spreading crimethink and outraging the needful.

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      • It is one of our last anti-mobocracy institutions, except for maybe the Electoral College and the judiciary (which whored out its dignity last mid-century — “A switch in time that saved nine”).

        We are going to have to whip up our own rent-a-riots (Boston Tea Party 1773) among the unwashed, distasteful as that is to contemplate.

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    • DD cannot be attached to high quality girl. Either fake or she’s fat.

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      • lol hamster alert

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      • Redneck alert. Only rednecks like big boobs. Perky is where it’s at.

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      • Hey dude, I love perky tits too. My current primary girl has a beautiful pair. I like that you’re posting because it shows everyone on the board just how valueless being judgmental truly is. You couldn’t be more wrong in any of the conclusions you’ve posted on this thread, except that perky breasts are nicer lol.

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      • Darkhorse

        Congrats on the FR, it was a success even if you think it was a failure.

        Thank you for sharing and making yourself vulnerable enough to ask for feedback. Trust that many, many men will learn from the FR and it’s subsequent breakdowns.

        Again, nice work and best of luck.

        -IG

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    • @darkhorse. Great Field Report.

      Your own insights on this help to do better next time.

      You were doing great. But what strikes me in this is what I’ve noticed about myself in some situations:

      Outcome dependence. You see this as a sure thing and then a sense of nervousness creeps in and you’re thinking either about what you did or what you’re going to do/say next and you’re then not in the moment.

      There was nothing you did or said from this report that stands out for me apart from the recognition of a series of sign-posts: the room-mate.

      In this situation, could you have raised your value by being cocky: “Come on, get decent, we have company!” or something that could have raised you value and kept the mood lighter.

      My issue recently is inner game. I’m struggling to get my mojo back after my break up.

      Last night I went to a club to watch a series of dance performances by a friend of mine and his school.

      This was a great therapy. It was a new set of people. All the girls there were under 30 and smoking hot. There was a trio of girls performing who were smoking. The head girl invited everyone to take photos and chat them up “We’re all mostly single…” I was going to approach but they were surrounded by girlfriends and orbiters so I took it all in and went to the bar to have a drink.

      One of the other dancers approached me and opened me. I ran game on her: cocky-funny, then comfort: “what is it about the music that you feel when you perform?” I got great IOI’s. It doesn’t always have to be a number or a lay. I’m pushing myself to just open new hot girls and chat…just talk.

      I’m talking and going out with a variety of girls now just to talk and run and practice game to get back whatever it is that I lost and to reassure myself.

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      • @walawala

        You’re right about the lighthearted bit. It got awkward when I brought the girls over b/c we both weren’t expecting each other. I could have been a better leader of everyone. In fact I kind of divided the parties and reinforced the feeling that the girls I brought in were strangers. I wasn’t cool towards my roommates fat guests, I was forceful. Bad social move there lol.

        Really the main issue for me is I haven’t reasonably invested time in developing the mental and emotional technology associated with proper escalation.

        I’ve had a mental block against developing it because 1) I viewed escalation as dirty/creepy 2) I view of attractive women and romance that made me pedestalize them both (onitis) 3) expression of sexual communication wasn’t socially acceptable in my judgmental family and 3) I feared rejection.

        The first time I made out with a girl was on a school trip. She came into my bed tried to fuck me, and I didn’t go through with it because I thought I would be taking advantage of her. I felt a sense of guilt that I had permitted her into my bed. Thought that all my teachers were aware of her visit and upset with my behavior. Kinda sucked.

        To go from that reality to a real world where my girls have asked me to choke them, slap them, spit on them, hold them down until their arms show bruises and execute their rape fantasies is like stepping through a vortex to crazy land.

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      • @darkhorse.

        I read your post and I could feel what you were describing. That sinking feeling when it all goes to shit. When events control you instead of you controlling the events or environment.

        I’ve been involved in understanding and learning game for going on 4 years.

        At the start it was tough to shed my AFC ways. But as I tried new things, I gained more confidence, practiced things, learned what worked, adapted things I’d read here to the point where I can now advise on things that others can learn from : “…” was mine for example.

        Where I have the most success is in meeting and escalating.

        Where I struggle is in Long Term Relationships. That’s where I find I hit a wall and I need to get better at “letting go”…

        The other thing to recognize is that no event is “pivotal”. You have a great night—learn from that. You have a shit night….learn from that.

        Nothing in game is perfect. It’s a set of strategies that increase probabilities.

        But more important is the “mindset” not the tactics of outcome.

        If you “believe” you have options, then “act” more confident.

        Last year I banged 12 girls…I was able to get anything I wanted.

        This year I banged 6 but was in a relationship with a girl who is a soul-sucking drama queen.

        It goes against every idea in my background not respond to her nonsense and outreach.

        So two learnings for you:

        1) You’re not defined by any one event, adopt the learnings and move on. Too often here there’s a sense that there’s a magic bullet: a magic text, a reply a something. But it all starts with the mindset. If you have an overall confident “abundance” mindset and you fuck up then you’re only human.

        2) Go back and read through the whole “date model” and Mystery Method to understand Attraction and Comfort. Then start slow. Practice is on one girl at a time.

        If you get one home run, you’ll be more inclined to get another. But if you get a few strike outs, you’ll be more inclined to start panicking and think the sky is falling when it’s just a bit of bird shit.

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      • Hey Walawala,
        Sounds like you’re a bit dazed and confused. Been there. My advice is to cut off all ties with the head case, even if she contacts you. If she contacts you in a couple years, you’ll probably have moved on and found better girl, and can you can bang the head case a couple more times for fun. But this is only after years later, and at a point in time when she’s feeling vulnerable and you’re fully secure.

        Long term relationship stability has a lot to do with these two elements: 1) define your gender roles distinctly and 2) continue to be sexually attractive and engaging to women outside of relationship.

        The upside to a breakup is that as long as you have social access and keep up your game and physique, you’re probably going to bang some real hot girls because you’re emotionally unavailable. It may not be the emotionally rewarding behavior, but you will be nailing some peak poontang. And these girls often turn into FBs for life, which is a nice bonus to have once you get back to emotional equilibrium.

        Curious what league you play in, e.g, I’m wondering what the objective attractiveness level of the women you bang is (I’ll write a little post in a bit explaining my definition of “league”). Also curious about the clarity of the intention you’re putting out there. It’s not clear to me if they are thinking you’re a potential provider, boyfriend material, or just a lay.

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      • @darkhorse. The girls i’m involved with are all 7’s and above.

        I am dazed but not that confused. I’m finding my way out of the haze and it’s a struggle.

        It’s a struggle not to say anymore to this latest one than I already have.

        But yes, I’m gaming new girls and meeting up with them. The new ones I’m meeting are mostly below 30.

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      • BTW, here’s my rating system of female attractiveness. I think it’s good to have a benchmark of attractiveness that lack subjectivity.

        A lot of people are like, my girl’s an 8!..and I’m like, no way, she can’t make money off her looks or body unless she does porn or strips…she’s really a 6.

        Anyway, here is the Darkhorse ranking system…

        10: Would hands down be cast in a non-speaking role of “archetypally hot girl” in a major film. Can date high profile celebrities.

        9: Could at the most place in an national beauty contest or could be featured as a ring girl at a major PPV contact sporting event. Can date celebrities, but not high profile celebs.

        8: Could at most make a living from physical attractiveness through commercial modeling work or some non-sexual enterprise where workers are rewarded solely on looks. Here you have your cute aerobics instructors, professional dancers, and NFL cheerleaders who don’t receive the spotlight.

        7: Cannot make a legitimate living off of looks, but attractive. Make up artists are here.

        6: Attractive enough to be the pretty young thing at retail store.

        5 through 1: Not really worth the comment.

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      • Darkhorse, why are your ratings all related to employment in media? I have a rating system too, but to think about how much a woman could attract attention from the people in media never occurred to me.

        I’d say your criteria for number six are more like what I would put at seven. Six is attractive in an ordinary way. Many fall under this category.

        And five: plain, not someone guys fantasize about, but you won’t think it wrong if a guy shows up with a girlfriend with these looks. After all, not all guys can get the attractive ones. (I wouldn’t date a 5, though. I’d rather remain single.)

        Six and five are actually the vast majority of women. And men.

        Four is not just plain, but ugly. Three is ugly in a way that anyone would be ashamed to be seen partnering up with, even the worst of betas. Two is as ugly as it gets without being deformed, and one is deformed ugliness, or vast obesity.

        But really, I prefer a seven-step rating system. Ten is too much. Seven also has a middle, which the ten-step system doesn’t.

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      • @arbiter

        because in a market economy the media and entertainment has to market varying levels of female attractiveness that extract real value. You can’t convincingly cast 7 in the role of a universally desirable women if the blockbuster you’re casting for has to sell movie tickets in a global market.

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      • @arbiter again…

        In my opinion about 2% of the female population, aged 18 – 35 are 8+.

        And that rare woman who was a 10 when she was 22 likely falls to an 8 by the time she hits 35. She just can’t compete with a cute 18 year old on a purely physical basis.

        .

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      • Outcome dependence. You see this as a sure thing and then a sense of nervousness creeps in and you’re thinking either about what you did or what you’re going to do/say next and you’re then not in the moment.

        Twelve screens reduced to one paragraph. Bravo.

        All this hypervigilance, microscopic analysis, and lengthy if-then trees work against relaxing in the moment. The war stories and the Wise-Uncle advice are fun to dispense after the fact but you are laying the predicate for trying too hard next time. Did I dim the lights just right? What does her squint mean? Should I get out the Chip-n-Dip?

        A man can keep an average of five to seven thoughts in his mind simultaneously, even fewer when “it goes to shit.” You need to drill, drill, drill a handful of concepts (like outcome independence) and stop greasing the details so hard.

        Matt

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      • Thanks Matthew, can you expound a little bit more on this.

        Looks like you’re saying my behavior expressed outcome dependence…trying to get every variable right in order to force an outcome.

        My intention that night wasn’t really that calculated. My friends tried to connect me with some cougars earlier in the night, and I wasn’t having it, so decided to hit the clubs and just roll the dice. Pulled a pair within 15 minutes, no wing man. Then my thoughts were, “let’s see how far I can push this and see where it goes”, not “let’s get everything right so I can lay these two.” To be clear, it was deflating when they left, but not something I’m dwelling on. I’m saying to myself, what can I learn from this?

        It seems like my escalation skills need improvement.

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      • Listen to YaReally et. al. They are very keen about explicating all the permutations and possibilities of any given scenario through the brute force method of accumulating massive data. But they are not especially good at discerning general patterns that have not been already identified for them by industry teachers.

        You are the victim of success too soon. One of the chief reasons enterprises fail is their unpreparedness for high volume. You can lose by having to turn away business just as easily as you can lose by not having enough prospects. You have to be ready to scale from the beginning. Especially in this day and age, an embarrassment of riches is not that hard to stumble into.

        Dealing with two prospects simultaneously, as opposed to just one-on-one, is not just double the trouble but exponentially more complicated. Instead of two perspectives to worry about (yours, hers), you have to manage over ten: your thoughts of Amber, her thoughts of you; your thoughts of Tiffany, her thoughts of you; Amber’s thoughts of Tiffany, Tiffany’s thoughts of Amber; Amber’s thoughts of you and Tiffany, Tiffany’s thoughts of you and Amber; your, Amber’s, and Tiffany’s thoughts of the group dynamic; the drunk unpaired male observers envious of your surplus. And so on. That’s the overwhelming psychological volume I refer to above.

        So yes, “Let’s see how far I can push this and see where it goes” is good — outcome independence, learn on the fly. But the subsequent advice you are getting here leans toward, “Let’s get everything right so I can lay these two.” The best combination of both approaches is developing the generalized attitude that allows you to improvise, to react nimbly to exigency, and to go with the flow. And you do this by taking command of the environment and always having something for girls to actively do or anticipate, to keep them focused on your authority/centrality. Easier hypothesized than done.

        To be clear, it was deflating when they left, but not something I’m dwelling on.

        That came across in your original post. And practice makes perfect. And there are many ways to keep the dynamic moving along briskly, from body language to eye contact to deliberate ignoring to venue switching to playing them off each other, etc.

        But the general lesson is to sublimate all of these detailed checklists into a general command presence, an attitude that creates aura. Or to go back to the far less complicated one-on-one, where you only have to dominate one mind rather than an entire scene.

        I suspect you have intuited much of this already from the episode alone. But to say it out loud helps ratify the lessons learned and helps you better anticipate obstacles for the next time.

        Also: take up juggling.

        Matt

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      • You will have to wait for my pearls of ultimate wisdom until after the weekend, as they have been stolen away by the feckless random moderation gremlin. Sad trombone.

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      • no, no no. outcome independence means you don’t give a fuck if you blow it. Those bitches weren’t 10s, they were 4s. etc.

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      • “The war stories and the Wise-Uncle advice are fun to dispense after the fact”

        That’s why we debrief Field Reports after the fact like this, or at the end of the night in recap, not in the moment. In study/training, you focus on specifics, and in the moment you let your training flow. Same as any athlete in any sport or any skilled artist in any hobby. Michael Jordan didn’t just pick up a basketball and join the NBA.

        “Did I dim the lights just right? What does her squint mean? Should I get out the Chip-n-Dip?”

        Spoken like a guy who hasn’t dealt with the logistics of situations like taking home a stripper and bottle service girl off a cold approach solo. You can just wing it, like every other guy, and hope that the planets align for you…but that’s rolling the dice when a little strategy/training/thought would have increased your odds and overall consistency significantly.

        “but you are laying the predicate for trying too hard next time.”

        Ya, when I go to the gym I just randomly lift things and jump around and hope that I get a 6-pack. I don’t do any reading or get help from a trainer or watch my diet or anything, that would be trying too hard and some Internet Badass might think I’m lame!!

        End of the day: Some guys are happy being in generally okay shape, and that’s cool, good on them…but some guys want a rock-hard 6-pack and 8% body-fat. …and when you go out a lot, it’s very obvious who’s a fat guy on the Internet giving exercise advice lol

        Saturday night tonight. If anyone reading this has been on the fence about going out, tonight’s the best night of the week to give it a go. The chicks have all day to doll themselves up and get their hair did, and everybody’s looking to forget the work-week and have some fun. Get out there and push your comfort zone!

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      • @YaReally, right. I’m coaching a friend of mine in Game. He has no clue and is just basically shooting arrows, drawing circles around them and calling them bullseyes.

        When I meet up with a girl I plan everything in advance: cologne, what i’m wearing, where we’re going, where we’re sitting.

        I’ve banged girls I just met within 3 hours.

        What I hate is “losing”….and despite huge success it’s the one I fucked up that tend to over-analyze.

        I have had a few blow-outs, mostly from princesses who wanted me to buy them drinks or were otherwise flakey. But I just moved on because I had nothing invested. In some cases however, when I pushed it way beyond normal, I started getting great results. I escalating quickly with one girl. now all she does is text me about lingiere shopping and sends me selfies of her tits. That’s all good. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut…..

        I did blow it with my ex gf. in a moment of utter surprise, she called last Sunday morning to kind of vent. I didn’t realize and took the call.

        it was a typical “non-game” call. I reamed her out. She vented. It really didn’t accomplish anything except blowing off steam. Then we chatted about normal things for a long while, then we talked about what we were feeling and then we texted back and forth like normal.

        The next day it was going great so I suggested we meet up. She blew it off without offering an alternative—basically tooling me. So I went no contact….AGAIN.

        She texted at 2am!!! “You disappeared again”.

        Me: “I open up…but all I see is the black swan” (reference to the movie with the nut case—she’s a dancer too)

        It was 3am I wasn’t thinking straight. I just “reacted” with my gut instead of thinking. After that I started putting my phone on silent.

        I could analyze this shit forever: was I alpha enough, did I beta backslide, was it beta provider game etc etc etc.

        But the bottom line is I spoke my mind. This is a “fail”.

        Wider, longer term, I know what I did and what I would do differently.

        Only by fucking up can you really get it right next time.

        I’m still way better with this than past break ups.

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      • @walawala

        “The next day it was going great so I suggested we meet up. She blew it off without offering an alternative—basically tooling me. So I went no contact….AGAIN.”

        lol no surprise there. Like I say, all you’ve taught her now is that if she causes enough drama for long enough, she’ll get your attention back and can even win you back…so that she can continue causing drama like flaking on you when you suggest getting back together.

        I know when you’re in the middle of it, and there are a lot of emotions involved, it might be harder to see the overall bigger picture, but if you objectively look at all the actions that took place you’ll see the pattern of “she acts out, you reward her with your reactions/attention, so she acts out more, to get more of your reactions/attention”.

        Unfortunately, every time you slip on this, you gotta’ go alllll the way back to the start with it. If you were looking at the Soft Next taking like, 6 months to fully play out before…now you’re looking at probably a year, maybe more.

        I wish I could say “just say/do XYZ and you’ll get back together with her and it’ll all work out fine” but that would be blowing smoke up your ass and stroking your emotions so you feel good instead of being aware of the reality of the situation.

        Again, as I’ve said a few times before, you CAN take her back right now. Like you basically just attempted to…but the bulldog has only learned that biting children gets it the doggie treats it wants…so the next time it wants doggie treats, what do you think it’s going to do?

        Sorry man! On the plus side, you’ve learned a LOT from this whole thing and whether you end up with her in a year or so or not (hell there may come a point where she’s acted out long enough and you’ve met enough quality girls that you legitimately don’t want her and her drama in your life anymore), whatever your next long-term relationship is, you will be a LOT more rock-solid with it and it will be a much higher-quality relationship in the end. This is all a learning process, even getting into LTRs. The more we do this, the more we become solid internally, like an oak tree with strong roots, unmovable and planted.

        And another plus is that by attempting to take her back with this last event, you’ve now seen demonstrated first-hand how it plays out when you don’t fully execute the Soft Next, with her tooling you. You won’t forget the sting of THAT one for a long time…I know that from experience lol

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      • @YaReally

        Thanks for your coaching. It’s been eye opening.

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      • @walawala

        No prob. Wish I had better news for ya. If it helps any, a lot of us have gone through similar things, especially starting out. And down the road you’ll look back on this and say “I’m actually kind of glad that didn’t work out, I needed to learn that lesson”. But I understand that in the moment it’s rough.

        The game has it’s ups and downs, but at least you’re consciously aware of them now and can work through them, compared to the guys who have this exact same scenario play out for them but are completely oblivious to what’s going on and let it literally destroy their lives sending them down years of drama and depression and bitterness.

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      • @YaReally

        As I reflect on all this, I believe she has symptoms of BPD: the rationalization, the instant intimacy then distancing. Everything in her life is a crisis. The exaggerated demonization: she suddenly created a drama that her mother was going to live in her flat and could she live in mine. I said I work but she could stay for a bit. She brought that up just last week during that conversation saying how awful I was. She said she didn’t come to my event because I told her there were other arrangements. Whenever we’d have an argument it was usually over text and then suddenly she’d escalate it to “i’m coming over to pick up my stuff TOMORROW, then text me relentlessly to remind me she was coming to pick up her q-tips. During the final “pick up my stuff” episode, she left a bunch of things!!! etc. etc etc.

        Crazy-making behaviours that left me questioning “WTF???”

        I was freaked out thinking huh??? This is not a normal “game” situation.

        I gamed her well at the start but the person I was gaming has major issues and baggage.

        But….for every problem there is a solution. I wasn’t entirely satisfied in my mind with the explanations in front of me. The BPD behaviours and abandonment issues now make a lot more sense.

        Yes, realization and self-reflection are important aspects of getting my inner game back.

        Great feedback. Thanks!

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      • @walawala

        http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/the-clusters-a-warning-for-men/

        She’s a Cluster B. Ultimately you’ll be better off without her, but it’s like quitting a really addicting drug ’cause the good times are amazing…but the bad times are fucking nightmares. Often we get addicted to the emotional rollercoaster the same way women do and it can be hard to break away from that, especially when you’re in the middle of it.

        Part of the point of a radio silence Soft Next is to also give you a chance to distance yourself from the whole situation and come out of the emotional hurricane and hopefully be able to take an objective look at the whole situation and decide “is this a one-time thing that I can train out of her, or is this something that’s a part of her personality that not only would be difficult to fix, but that she has no desire to fix herself? Something that will explode in my face down the road when I’m locked down with her (kids, marriage, etc.)?”

        It’s a bummer when you realize the chick is too broken to fix, doesn’t really have an interest in fixing herself (even if she claims she does, to win you back), and that while you loved the good times, you just can’t handle having the bad times in your life…it’s sad and unfortunate.

        But if it’s any consolation, the more women you meet the more you learn to screen for these things and the easier it is to spot them ahead of time. You start being able to spot the behaviors that make you go “hmm, I’d better keep an eye on this”. Sometimes they can be trained out with Soft Nexts, but we live in a society where women are encouraged to be bat-shit crazy, avoid self-help because they’re all perfect and special princesses, and half the time they’re rewarded by beta males and feminists for being bat-shit crazy…so sometimes you meet a girl who’s just too far gone to help and you have to keep her at arm’s length for the sake of your own life’s stability.

        Welcome to the game, it ain’t all unicorns and flowers. 😉 But like I say, at least you’re aware of this stuff…a lot of men would marry that chick and end up another bitter MRA posting about how his wife cheated on him, divorced him, took all his money, and is brainwashing his kids into believing he’s a monster. You dodged a bullet, even if it takes a while and takes meeting a few cool normal chicks before you fully feel like it.

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      • @YaReally labels and diagnoses are for trained professionals. All the behaviours were there including the “projection”.

        When I pointed out she behaved horribly by blowing off my event she responded with: “You made me do it…” or words to that effect.

        One thing, my game was much tighter and better this time so I was able to recognize the craziness and “next” or as she called it “disappear”.

        But she would call me on it and instead of behaving better actually behaved worse by mirroring my behaviors and exaggerating them.

        She’d stop replying to texts or blow me off when i’d suggest meeting up. I’d go no contact. She’d go no contact. Then at some point would claim I “disappeared”. But made no attempts to actually fix it.

        There are lots of posts about guys who gamed chicks, then met someone with BPD and were sucked into accepting or going along with flaking, craziness etc.

        I think overall I was alpha but she wore me down.

        It’s been a week and no contact from her and I’m feeling much better as well. Not easy.

        Learning game has helped me to weather this shit better but we’re still human. A break up still hurts. At least i’m not back to my old AFC ways of calling and begging or making excuses to meet up.

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      • I always wonder what league each poster in here is in.

        Gaming some cute girls college girls carries the same principles but a higher social skill-set and emotional control than not the same thing as gaming a qualified 10 (young, hot woman pursued by male celebrities). It’s like thinking that crossover that works in your pick-up basketball game is going to work in the NBA. Theoretically it is. Technically, you need to by the social, emotional and psychological equivalent of an NBA player.

        From my perspective, the leagues you’re playing in is consistent with the abundance of hot girls. For example, office environments where guys game Rhonda the hot PR girl are low level leagues, in my opinion. (Unless your office is Ford models). Women who really couldn’t make a living off looks-based employment are over valued. An 6 might be considered an 8, and the guy who bangs her might think he has game, but his skills wouldn’t necessarily work in a setting with legitimate 8s who are attracting more competition.

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      • ‘his skills wouldn’t necessarily work in a setting with legitimate 8s who are attracting more competition.’

        Ya, his current skills. Your only choice when shooting ever higher is to ramp it all up. I can see the path before me….you literally need to become larger than life. You have to be more than ‘that cool guy who seems well-liked,’ because now, where you’re playing, that’s pretty much every guy.

        And the fact that I’m saying this from a perspective of ‘ you -have- to be better than, do this’ is obvious that I haven’t really internalized this level yet. I’m just working toward it. I’ve gotten to a place where I’m a cool guy who seems well-liked — that’s new. I like it. I feel like I’m a part of the world. The next jump is to learn how to conquer the world. /w3rd

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      • It’s like thinking that crossover that works in your pick-up basketball game is going to work in the NBA. Theoretically it is. Technically, you need to by the social, emotional and psychological equivalent of an NBA player. From my perspective, the leagues you’re playing in is consistent with the abundance of hot girls.

        This is called question-begging. You assume that the area you want to excel in is the equivalent of the top leagues in sports. You are not adjusting for difficulty.

        Outsiders looking in — the people who have no experience at clubs or gaming strippers — may assume it requires some maximum level of sophistication to seduce women who wear sex on the outside. But it is objectively not difficult — much less most difficult — to seduce a woman who is already inebriated, advertising her sexual availability in the most blatant possible ways, half-dressed (or, in the case of strippers, not dressed), sensory-overloaded, young, dumb, and predisposed to flirtation. Being rejected by her sneer or cold indifference, like from your bad old omega days. makes final success especially poignant and the accomplishment remarkable. But only relatively remarkable.

        Now, sell your unprofitable business plan to a group of cynical, tight-fisted venture capital investors, and then we can start adding points for seduction difficulty. The truth is, your pick-up game crossover moves actually do work on those once seemingly untouchable women, once you realize they are not goddesses in the flesh and how vulnerable their defenses really are. Once you start seeing them as the scared skirts they are on the inside, once you realize how simple it is to press their buttons, their impregnable fortress of mystique crumbles away. Allen Iverson’s crossover it does not require.

        How hard is it when the journey of Frustrated Chump to Club King happens all the time with PUA.com students who ante up their $49.95 and spend a few weeks poring over seminars and message boards and videos?

        Perspective, people.

        Axl Rose summed it up better:

        I see your sister in her Sunday dress
        She’s out to please
        She pouts her best
        She’s out to take
        No need to try
        She’s ready to make

        It’s so easy, easy
        When everybody’s trying to please me …

        Matt

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      • @Scray

        “You have to be more than ‘that cool guy who seems well-liked,’ because now, where you’re playing, that’s pretty much every guy.”

        This. What a lot of the rooshvforum “I’m James Bond, I just post up at the bar and chill in my custom-fitted suit with my martini glass and swoop up the lizards as they flock to my matching pocket-square and socks” who are “swooping up” 7s and laughing about how “I just did it for the story, really I could get a 10 tho, there was this one girl this one time 4 years ago…” don’t get is that the persona they’re putting on is what the hottest girls are SURROUNDED by. Like, that’s the bare minimum level of value that the 10 guys orbiting her all night and the other 10 guys txting her all night, are bringing to the table. Because all those guys bought into the same “hit the gym, make money, get a nice suit, and girls will flock to you…soon as I get the right model of Ferrari, bitches will be all over me!” mentality.

        The keyboard jockeys and the guys who game in average low/middle-end bars/clubs are visualizing that every other guy is awkward and lame and doesn’t look as good as them and their suit costs more and bla bla bla, because in those environments ya, that’s probably true. The guy in the badly fitted shirt with the sports team ballcap standing in a corner with his drink up at his chest probably doesn’t look as high-value in comparison.

        But in higher-value circles, EVERY guy has a solid level of cool social skills, fashion sense, works out, etc. I’m in a city where the majority of the guys in the lounges/clubs I go to look like fucking models lol And even worse, now that game has gone mainstream, most of these guys have at least read the basics and have a bit of an understanding of game and a little skill…because those are the guys who are attracted to it. The guy who’s attracted to learning all the little tips and skills to get the best 6-pack is the same guy who’s going to apply that mentality to learning how to get the hottest girls. So you’re not walking up to a bunch of retarded orbiter chodes who just stand around picking their ass while you take their girls, you’re walking into a circle of high-value guys who the girls would be perfectly happy going home with.

        The really hot girls who are surrounded by these guys generally end up not even CARING about that, because every guy is offering that. What they’re attracted to is the guy who stands out, who lives in his own reality, and sucks her INTO that reality, emotionally. That’s why you see super hot chicks with weird skinny grubby artist dudes who don’t make any money but who are super passionate about whatever it is they do and they suck her into it and show her a new world she hasn’t seen before.

        Like, you being IN a high-end venue, means you’re high-value by default. So when everyone is high-value, the bar resets and now it becomes “who stands out AMONG these high-value guys? Who’s the most “free”? Who’s the most outcome independent? Who has the strongest frame?” and that’s where you either cross your fingers and roll the dice and hope for the best like Matt says. Or you put a little bit of effort in to understand the dynamics going on around you, be just a little bit better than most of the other guys, and get the girl.

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      • @Matthew

        ” But it is objectively not difficult — much less most difficult — to seduce a woman who is already inebriated, advertising her sexual availability in the most blatant possible ways, half-dressed (or, in the case of strippers, not dressed), sensory-overloaded, young, dumb, and predisposed to flirtation.”

        lol. Oh look, it’s this argument. “Anyone could get those drunk slutty bar whores. I mean, I’ve never done it, because my standards are too high, but anyone could, it’s EASY.”

        Here’s the reality that you would understand if you actually went out and approached these girls so that you could have a formed opinion: The hottest girls do NOT go out and get inebriated. They have a couple of drinks max. Why? Because they don’t want to be the drunk sloppy girl falling over on the dance floor and going home with some low-value guy. They keep themselves sober enough to keep their good judgement of all the drunk losers approaching them. And they go home around midnight, because they don’t need to stick around till 2am falling over hammered trying to get dick. They put in a respectable appearance, socialize, flirt, and then leave before things get messy. Some of them do it because they just want a high-quality guy and know that the 2am drunk guys generally aren’t that, and some of them do it because they’re establishing themselves and building a reputation in the scene so that they can have access to the highest-value guys. A lot of the girls will literally show up at a few different bars/clubs through the night, do a few laps, talk to a few people, and then move on to the next place.

        A 6 dressing up sexy is her advertising wanting to get fucked. A hot girl dressing up sexy is a shit-test to see which men react to it and lose their composure or judge her and generally fall apart. It’s to separate which guys are used to being around attractive sexual women, and which guys are Matthew Kings. Again, you would know this if you interacted with them but they probably aren’t in your grandmother’s basement where you write your fantasies from.

        “Never on-point with the controversy, always imagining any criticism is proof of inexperience and inauthenticity.”

        No, the part that demonstrates your inexperience is that reality doesn’t play out how you describe. Anyone going out can tell you that. You are SO inexperienced that you don’t even understand HOW blatant it is, the difference between someone who goes out and who doesn’t. Like, you don’t even have the ability to understand how you come across to the guys going out in the same way that a 5 year old can’t understand why NASA won’t hire them to fly the next space shuttle.

        “Some of us can parallel park the first time we try it.”

        I’m not sure you’ve ever even BEEN in a car. Playing GTA on XBox doesn’t count as experience, just like waxing theoretical from your keyboard doesn’t.

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      • You always sputter out with the same fart noise.

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      • “You always sputter out with the same fart noise.”

        So start listening.

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      • Spoken like a guy who blah blah blah…

        Never on-point with the controversy, always imagining any criticism is proof of inexperience and inauthenticity.

        The principles are universal. They apply to every situation and to every intersexual relationship in the world. You focus obsessively on one narrow slice of the spectrum and therefore think the wisdom you stumbled upon only obtains in highly specific circumstances, like “bottle service” bimbos and “taking home a stripper.”

        No. Your lack of imagination, worm-eye perspective, and inability to extrapolate from experience to experience, coupled with a truly incurable insecurity, create in you the petty need to fixate on differences rather than seek similarities with people you don’t immediately understand. Consider how easy it is to bait you.

        This is why you cannot ever be pithy. You believe every inferior of yours needs to be walked through every detail. You are less a teacher, more a micromanager and hand-holder. There is plenty to be gleaned from your brute-force learning through quantity and prolix preaching style (100 approaches a day), but your superiors do not need to do something a thousand times before discerning a rigorous operating principle.

        Some of us can parallel park the first time we try it. You are not the Michael Jordan of anything. You spy your own shallow learning curve in everyone you (attempt to) engage, and then you think it is responsive to criticize that wholly imagined quality in those who deign to put you in proper context.

        Matt

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      • beginning to think that betas try to sell themselves, alphas sell the ride

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  18. on November 22, 2013 at 1:05 pm still learning

    This is all very interesting to read. I am still not sure how this will help the AFC/Beta. Being Alpha is more of an inner state, with a devil may care attitude. Not just that, these guys are ready to take a beating. Lets not forget that in the real world a lot of Bad Boys have to fight, get beaten up etc to make their mark. So it seems like one of the character of Alpha is a certain fearlessness and may be cruelty as well. An AFC/Beta on the other hand is playing the nice boy game, look at me I am so nice please love me. I understand why women will hate that because it comes from a place of neediness, fear and unwillingness to get beaten up, roughed up, get kicked out of what ever they are in. It seems to me that very rarely can a Beta become an Alpha no matter how much they read unless they truly overcome fear and act like they have nothing to lose. Also remember that its easy to act brave when someone is backed by powerful friends or weapons or has authority when the other party doesn’t have these. But can the same person act brave when there is nothing backing him up? So a lot of so called Alphas may actually be Betas at heart or contextual Alphas as Rollo calls them.
    Perhaps betas are condemned to remain so or at best become aware of their betaness and join men going their own way, and of course stop stupid white knighting. To me the red pill knowledge from blogs like this has allowed me to stop thinking and acting like a dumbass moron and I am greatful for that.

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    • Being Alpha is more of an inner state, with a devil may care attitude.

      No, that is what people want to believe, because changing your attitude is a thousand times easier than changing your body, getting friends, getting a career, becoming a leader. People prefer easy solutions.

      It’s pretty easy. “Alpha” and “beta” come from wolfpacks. The alpha is the leader of the pack who the other wolves look up to, and who gets the women.

      But that is also why “alpha” and “beta” are not very good concepts for what we are discussing. And here’s the thing: you don’t have to use them. (Imagine writing by not hiding behind in-group terminology. Radical!) Many guys who are successful with women are not leaders of men. In fact, most are not. And so we have a case where people in the “manosphere” actually start defining alpha as simply “being able to get women”. While beta is at times “not able to get women” and at times “weak, bitter guy who is jealous of your success” or a number of other things.

      Enter debates about “what is alpha and beta?” Because the “alpha” label is not very useful for what we are usually discussing, getting women. It is a square peg in a round hole.

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      • ‘because changing your attitude is a thousand times easier than changing your body’

        lolwut. This is untrue. I’m unsure which is easier, but they seem to be AT LEAST around equal in difficulty.

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      • @Scray

        Not sure what league you play in but as reference where do your girls rate in the rating system I posted on November 23, 2013 at 5:25 pm.

        Are you talking about cute girls who work at Bebe or girls who make a career of their looks?

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      • To me, a hard 8 is a lesser ‘making a career of her looks.’ Usually it’s sort of tangential —- like, you’d find a lot of actresses who are short on talent here. It’s probably not ALL appearance, but ehhhhh….a lot is. The girls at Bebe are probably like 6-7’s.

        And an 8 is like….1/100. TO ME. (probably even rarer because the fatdemic has shifted female beauty to the left of the bell curve)
        From that it should follow that I believe 6’s and 7’s are pretty hot, too.

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      • I say this because I’m not so impressed with the level of attractiveness that PUAs like Paul Janka seem to pull. Racking up bangs with 6s and having no game in the 8+ league is silly to me. It’s like Stephon Marbury putting up 50 consistently in the Chinese Basketball League…not so impressive.

        Even for Tyler Durden, 8+’s seem consistently out of his league, when watching footage of him.

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      • well, c’mon man. A legit 8 — LEGIT — is going to be swarmed by some pretty fierce competition. I’m trying to work on an 8 now — could easily be on TV or in a movie as ‘the hot one,’ perfect W-H ratio, awesome rack, etc etc etc — and it’s insanely difficult. Her FB is fucking retarded validation. The sheer amount of potential suitors she has becomes more a problem of raw logistics and cool, calculated AMOGging than any ‘inner game’ or ‘entitlement’ issues.

        Like…I thought the 7 was bad…this is like……..fucken…..ricockulous. She knows EVERYBODY SOMEHOW. Men of local fame and renown. It’s not a joke.

        So just like I think it’s retarded for PUA’s to pretend they’re pulling models every night, it’s also retarded for PUA-haters to judge ALL GAME on whether or not you consistently pull 10’s.

        If you’re a normal, average male 5-6 in physical appearance…then pulling 6s and 7s is pretty good. That means your game is doing some pretty heavy lifting. I’m not trying to cap anything off, but it’s important to gain perspective.

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      • I say this because I’m not so impressed with the level of attractiveness that PUAs like Paul Janka seem to pull. Racking up bangs with 6s and having no game in the 8+ league is silly to me.

        Shhh. Don’t let them know you hate game.

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  19. Girls love being felt vulnerable in front of a preselected man. Acting cold, but touchy and dominant on a woman works really well, especially if one is an omega or beta that cant speak well or can easily get amoged. As long as one has some type of preselection or dhv, it does work. It’s a thing that has helped me over the years.

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  20. Groupies showed up to watch Ted Bundy in court, giggling and nudging each other.

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    • I’d imagine some hot, tight babe that offed a bus full beta chumps would have admirers that would do her. That is exactly how they look at it. However the patriarchy has long had the responsibility, and thus the resolve and disciple, to not have such arbitrary brands of justice.

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  21. lzozlozlzlzl http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/22/technology/yahoo-marissa-mayer/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 lzozlzlzl bwahahahhaha lzozlozlzlzl
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    • She looks SO much like the 40 yo version of my hot little blonde sorority chick from college that use to do my Calc 3 homework for me whilst servicing me in any way I desired shortly afterwards. She was impossibly cute and a super smarty mcSmart Smart. Had I met her 2 decades later while she was still that age I’d strongly consider wifing her.

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  22. ^ Relevant portion of Bundy video starts at 2:44.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm Lucky White Male

      See my comment above on this thread

      Bundy was a high IQ super Dark Triad

      My impression is his early life plus the pornography set him on the wrong path. This is a guy who could have been a huge success in legit world otherwise

      The first 5 years, namely the inability to bond with a mother figure ( attachment theory in psychology ), is the biggest maker of criminals

      There is no doubt to me that too much pornography will fuck up your brain.

      Whenever you see these kinds of sexual perversions, the sex with his corpses, its a guy who is deep, for years, into indulging sex. The brain has been hijacked, they can’t get off or feel anything unless they pursue baser and baser perversions

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      • “There is no doubt to me that too much pornography will fuck up your brain.”

        No, plenty of doubt. Boys are now weaned on unlimited, daily feedings of pornography before they even have stubble on their groins, and rape and violent crime are in steep decline.

        You do realize you are taking Ted friggin’ Bundy’s rationalization at face value.

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      • on November 22, 2013 at 3:04 pm Lucky White Male

        Science says your wrong. Bundy became a monster because he was a sex addict, pure and simple.

        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/09/pornographys-effect-on-the-brain-part-1/

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      • The science largely shows contradictory evidence at best. The link to porn is the same link to violence with casual sex. Why don’t you cross reference how many times boy friends smack their girl friends and control for it? You’d find no link to porn. The reason is your genes in casual sex situations want you to have sex with sluts but wants to prevent you from pair bonding. So it evokes disgust. That’s why there is this paradox. Fuck the slut for an opportunity. However bonding with her is a genetic mistake. That is what porn taps into.

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      • Then every omega man would be stalking and killing women. Every age has its monsters; the age determines their shape.

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  23. The only thing dumber than the direct pursuit of your own happiness is to directly mind happiness of a woman. It is only sustainable as a consequence of action and success.

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  24. I love reading this blog…but I F’N LOVE these sorts of entries (i.e., compare what she’ll endure to have a platonic marriage to an incarcerated alpha brute vs. what abuse and indignities a beta must endure to “have a relationship” with her) LMFAO

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  25. I’m depressed now. I’m 23, never been in a relationship, and I don’t think I have the balls to go kill someone. If serial killers are what women want, then I don’t see the point anymore.

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    • Women who actually pursue these kind of relationships are outliers, even if the desire for alpha bad-boys is present in almost all of us. Instead, try to be a man who comes across as both psychologically and physically capable of killing somebody if he has to.

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      • Remember that live-evil must be able to do this with smooth confidence. I know from personal experience that walking around like a ticking time bomb will only serve to alienate those you want in your life and draw out an attack from those you don’t.

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    • Indeed u should be depressed.

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    • Some advice to Live-Evil:

      Don’t expect a woman to make your life complete. They are mostly empty headed, and good for only a few basic things.

      Learn to enjoy life and not care too much about pleasing any woman. The best advice is not to give a crap about any one woman. They are surprisingly interchangeable.

      If you are depressed, learn useful stuff, build stuff (stone masons they say are happy people) lift weights, get in shape, loose weight. Respect yourself.

      That mental attitude and a decent body (and some money), and you will be a babe magnet.

      Women aged 23 think they are God’s gift. They hit the wall fast. After a while, women will fail to impress you.

      This assumes you are not a completely boring person, who drives himself and those around him crazy with boredom.

      Don’t marry the first girl you screw.

      Don’t marry until your are too old for anything else.

      Don’t disdain paid sex. Sex is like food. This stuff about picking up babes in bars is like going to a free restaurant when you are really hungry, but you have to sweet talk the waitress into giving you free food. Most customers will leave with a bag of pretzels, if they are lucky. An entire evening wasted and you are still hungry. You’ll go home and have microwave pizza. A few will get mediocre meals, and a very lucky few will get the filet mignon. But, then, they have to put up with the waitress the next morning.

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    • Good news: you don’t have to kill anyone. Writers use hyperbole for effect to drive home a point. Don’t let it cause you to draw the wrong conclusions. As a twenty-three year old, focus on your plan for life. Don’t put the horse before the cart. Work on yourself, your life, your career, and the “nag” will follow 😉

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  26. Most serial killers are white. Why is that ??

    [CH: actually, that is incorrect. at the least, it’s a misleading nagger-type of statement. whites are no more likely, as a proportion of their population share, to be serial killers than are blacks. in fact, obsidian, blacks are OVERrepresented among serial killer ranks.]

    genetics ?? – the genetic recessiveness OR the Neanderthalian hybridity ???

    [it must suck going through life knowing you’re a throwback.]

    or Culture ?? just an extreme manifestation of the white tendency towards deviant sex and enjoyment of planned organized violence ???

    [in africa, there are tribes that engage in “daggering”, which is basically dancing up to women with your erection out. the practice has caused a lot of broken dicks.]

    White women love white serial killers – makes sense ….???

    [now you’re starting to say something interesting. does the female preference for badboys vary by race? my impression is that black women are the worst offenders.]

    evolutionary advantage to procreate with serial killers in the cold hostile climes of Glacial Ice Age Europe where resources are scarce……. – sometime you had to kill people to eat…..Jeffrey Dahmer style….

    [modern cannibalism is practiced mostly in brown and black lands, like papua new guinea, arabia and the remote parts of congo.]

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    • CH, if you just banned this n166er troll, you’d save yourself from having to comment overmuch, belabouring the obvious… and save me some antacid pills.

      [CH: it’s not belaboring. i like smashing idiots.]

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      • No sport in shooting fish in a barrel.

        [CH: mowing down shambling zombies has its own pleasures.]

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      • I’ll give you that.

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 5:50 am LibertarianinChina

        The cannibalism in Papua New Guinea is different from what you picture cannibalism being: It is usually children and grandchildren eating a small part of a dead patriarch in order to gain his powers and vitality – not chopping up random victims for nutrition. In PNG, if people are eating your corpse, it means they admire you.

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 3:32 pm Hugh G. Rection

        That’s just fucking dumb. I can understand that if you’re hungry or whatever, but this idiotic superstition…

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    • Not just the remote parts of congo…Black tribes living in south africa were(and since they didnt change,still are)known for eating the bushmans,native gnomish blacks in hope of gaining magical abilities,not to mention their habit of killing and eating albinos so yea…Oh and except Germany(some psychopats) and Romania(the place where leprosy still exists in europe) there were no recorded cannibalistic behaviours.

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      • ??!?

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 3:33 pm Hugh G. Rection

        There was one guy in Germany. It’s hardly established behavior. But the primitives are known for their wacked beliefs, I think there was one case where a “wizard” threatened to make men’s dicks fall off or something. Oh, and raping a virgin will protect you from AIDS.

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    • i’ve noticed this myself (that the number of white men committing serial murders is more proportionate relative to their proportion committing other crimes). i think the reason it seems this way is for a variety of reasons
      1. Serial killing require greater planning/intelligence/creativity
      2. white men walk around with more pent up frustration since they can’t express themselves (repression and all that), and when their anger does come out, it comes out in strange and bizarre ways
      3. blacks commit less bizarre types of crimes because of civilization/white society/not wanting to live up to stereotypes inhibits them from going completely loony tunes. so they simply shoot people instead of slicing their victims up and eating them in a roast beef sandwich
      4. the media avoids covering black serial killers
      5. most crimes are intra-race, so if black serial killers are killing people, then its mostly other black people. and a lot of black murders go unsolved because the police don’t care as much or people who have evidence don’t wanna snitch

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      • And one more reason- low iq white who murder are probably more fucked up than low iq black men who murder. meaning, a low iq black is close to the black norm, and probably doesn’t have a lot of deviancy (in the sense of having weird fetishes, or desires to kill in really fucked up ways). low iq whites are very different from normal whites- and probably have a number of other non-cognitive brain defects that make them want to shit in their girlfriends mouths and suffocate them and shit like that

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      • blacks commit less bizarre types of crimes because of civilization/white society/not wanting to live up to stereotypes inhibits them from going completely loony tunes. so they simply shoot people instead of slicing their victims up and eating them in a roast beef sandwich

        No. Observe:

        –A Black woman wanted a light-skinned child. So together with two Black men, she captured a White woman pregnant with a Black boyfriend’s child and cut open her stomach with a razor blade.

        –A Black woman hit a White man with her car. He got stuck halfway through the windshield, with the glass cutting into his stomach, killing him slowly. She parked the car in her garage, and went in there to look at him several times over the days it took him to die. She had sex with her (of course Black) boyfriend in the garage, where the White man was dying.

        –The Wichita Massacre: Two Black men were released from prison. They immediately robbed a White man, then murdered a White woman. Then they broke into a home where three White men and three White women were having dinner. At gunpoint they raped the women and forced them to humiliating acts. Then murdered all six. (Except one of the women, who survived a gunshot wound to the head.)

        …And so on. The reason you don’t hear of Blacks’ “bizarre types of crimes” is that the media don’t report them. When the second case above was included in an NYPD episode, the races and sexes were switched, making it a propaganda episode where a WHITE MAN had hit a BLACK WOMAN with his car and left her to die in his garage. (And when an Indian (Hindu) man drove his car into a group of Whites in the street, the same show made it a White man driving his car into a group of Blacks in one episode.)

        The media counter this with lies. “How come four Black men who were murdered before the Wichita Massacre didn’t receive news coverage either? See? The Wichita Massacre wasn’t covered up because of race!” This sweeps under the rug the little fact that the four Black men were killed by other Black men, in one of the very common vendettas among criminals. And there was no mass rape involved. If the four Black men had been killed by Whites, it would be included in school textbooks in America and Europe. (Consider that the brief, perfectly by-the-book hitting of drugged-up Black criminal Rodney King with nightsticks to make him lie down on the ground, perfectly textbook, was included in sociology textbooks all across the West. He has since drowned in a swimming pool by the way, full of drugs bought by the millions of tax dollars the city gave him.)

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      • Totally agreed on No. 5. The only crime victims who actually get attention are pretty White women. Ugly White women, White men, and all minorities get shafted. I wish this wasn’t the case, but the ‘justice’ system is just as messed up as society is on a whole.

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      • Totally agreed on No. 5. The only crime victims who actually get attention are pretty White women. Ugly White women, White men, and all minorities get shafted.

        Wow, how moronic. Crystal Mangum, the stripper who claimed she had been raped by the LaCrosse team got attention precisely because she was Black, and the team members were White. (Finally, even her friend who had been with her to the party admitted that they had lied. The stripper is now on trial for murdering her boyfriend.)

        Meanwhile, 90 percent of interracial rape is Blacks raping White women, but you never hear of those victims. While the fake Crystal Mangum case got attention all over America as well as in Europe. While the implosion of the case was rarely reported at all in the U.S., and not at all in most European countries.

        And consider when the Black criminal thief and drug user Trayvon Martin attacked a volunteer nightwatchman in a neighborhood troubled by Black burglars, as homeowners (including a Black woman) reported. The media reported it as if the criminal Martin was the victim, simply because he was Black. While the victim of the attack, who had managed to survive by being armed, was falsely presented as “White” for ten days of media shitstorm, and then as “White hispanic” when they couldn’t hide the fact anymore. They used light pictures of him to make his skin appear less dark. By the way, the victim Zimmerman is not only Latino but also one eighth Black.

        Consider the Wichita Massacre. Three White men and three White women attacked by Blacks, the women raped at gunpoint, and then all six shot in the head. There was a complete media blackout. Only local press reported on the case.

        Now consider Rodney King, a Black criminal who was leading the police on a high-speed car chase jacked up on drugs. He could have killed people. After he had stopped he taunted the police and refused to lie down. Exactly by the book, the police hit the junkie with their night sticks to make him lie down after he had refused, and then hit him again when he tried to get up. He was on drugs, so he was resistent to the pain, which is why they had to hit more than once, as per their instructions. The media reported Rodney as the victim. (He is now dead from drowning while jacked up on drugs.)

        In the riots after the police were freed from malicious media accusations, Blacks killed Whites. Those Whites are always ignored by the media and by “sociology” textbooks, while Rodney King is presented as the victim.

        The dragging in Texas, where a Black criminal was dragged by some Whites? In the media every day for more than half a year. In the U.S. and in Europe. The fact that one of the perpetrators had been raped by Blacks in prison was of course never mentioned. The background for the dragging was never mentioned – it was not a “racist” crime, they were all jailbirds who got into an argument. And you never hear of the many times when Whites have been dragged to death by Blacks. There was such a case in Jasper, Texas just two weeks after the dragging of a Black criminal, and the media were completely silent about it.

        You are either ignorant or a liar, SC. Which is it?

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    • [now you’re starting to say something interesting. does the female preference for badboys vary by race? my impression is that black women are the worst offenders.]

      No duh here… if they weren’t, their illegitimacy rate wouldn’t be 70% and black men wouldn’t be so inclined to adopt the thug lifestyle.

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    • Ah, al, which I assume is short for Tyrone. Whipping out that “most serial killers are white” canard that you heard from socialists in the media. In TV shows the female, masculine detective will often go through the “common list of serial-killer traits” and casually mention that “most are White”. But it is just because Whites are 70 percent of the population. It is the ONLY type of murder or violent crime where Whites commit something close to 70 percent of the crimes.

      When it comes to other violent crimes, somehow the socialists like you “forget” to mention that Blacks are overrepresented in every single case. (And in fact overrepresented as serial killers too.) HALF of all murders in the U.S. are committed by the 12 percent of Blacks in the population. Interracial rape is 90 percent Blacks raping White women. Most years there are only a handful or zero cases of Whites raping Black … “women”. The other ten percent of interracial rape are Blacks raping Latinos, Blacks raping Asians, Latinos raping Asians, etc etc. Very, very few cases of White interracial rapists.

      Drug crime – do we even need to mention the vast, vast overrepresentation of Blacks here? Not just in the U.S., look at Europe, where the drug trade is completely controlled by Africans, South Americans, Middle Easterners, Gypsy gangs from Romania, and Yugoslavs (nominally White, I know; lots of Turk blood in them hills though).

      Should we go on, al? You really wanna try to bring up race and crime? Really wanna go there? Cause this is fun.

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    • Most of this is nonsense, but you’re on to something with the scarcity in Europe. The barbarian hoards didn’t eat their enemies; they killed their enemies and ate their livestock, grain, etc.

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    • lol. Remember that anytime a darkie starts accusing “whitey” of doing something, it’s always projection…

      Inbred is one of my favorites.—the black population in this country is well more inbred than white groups (except Jews, who also project this sentiment). Since blacks went feral, none know who their father is; they rarely move more than 10 blocks from their home (so they fuck their own half-sisters without knowing it–and usually suspecting it but not caring—see R.Kelly pissing and fucking his own cousins like the bucktoothed Stepin Fetchit he is); they breed almost exclusively within their own race; and, most damningly, the black population is very gorilla-like: it’s usually only 1 or 2 alpha dogs per block having 10 kids with Laquisha and her pride, while the other 99% are banging each other up the ass on the down low (hence why the HIV rate amongst blacks is so high).

      Remember: everything black people complain about is projection.

      on a lighter note, rape!

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      • whorefinder

        Inbred is one of my favorites.—the black population in this country is well more inbred than white groups
        —————————————————————————————————-

        So you are admitting that a diverse genetic ancestry is better?

        If so, do you think your ancestry is more diverse than mine?

        Name one thing you think you are better than me at doing?

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      • So you are admitting that a diverse genetic ancestry is better?
        —Mating with subhumans is not diversity, sambo.

        If so, do you think your ancestry is more diverse than mine?
        –Your family tree goes in a straight line, money-boy, with perhaps a few bestiality-loving superior people intertwined in your thorns—the genetic retreads cast out of normal human evolution.

        <i?Name one thing you think you are better than me at doing?
        –Being human, boy.

        Rape!

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  27. alpha smirkin’

    reportedly in the months before his execution he received 200 letters per *day* from women claiming to be in love with him.

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    • I got told a couple of weeks ago by a 7.5 that I look like Ted Bundy, and she said it as if she found it attractive. In my beta days I’d have freaked out and nervously denied it, but I instead took it as a compliment better than saying I look like Brad Pitt. I’m getting the sneaky suspicion the girl thinks I’m hot.

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  28. On related note, Criminal Background/Prison Sentence Game works. Just make sure your crime wasn’t anything creepy or degenerate.

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    • “Creepy” only applies to betaschlubs.

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    • So my kiddie raper rap sheet, nothing? Damn unfortunate…

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      • on November 23, 2013 at 3:36 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Didn’t know you were a man of the cloth.

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      • Ya know, the rate of child molestation by priests/religious leaders is actually lower than in the general population. It’s only the enemies of such groups—i.e. lefties–who blow the scandals up out of proportion.

        It’s another classic case of left-wing projection. The lefties rape the children and look the other way when their side does it, but attack when there is even a hint the other side did it once.

        Death by examplitities. Projection.

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      • Huge is too clever to realize he’s a lefty. Smart guy, but drank the Kool Aid early. It’s like kids who start smoking when they are 11-years-old. Their addiction is intertwined with their biological growth, like the wheat and the tares.

        He’s all right, though. He usually keeps it down to a cryptic sentence or three.

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  29. http://rawjustice.com/2010/10/04/15-people-who-married-convicted-murderers/ is a more detailed expose.

    HB8+ Tamara Ecclestone, daughter of billionaire Formula One boss Bernie Ecclestone, married a guy who committed white collar crimes (mild compared to the above-mentioned but still). She does have a history of dating bad boys. One of them had a sex tape while engaged to her.

    Literotica has innumerable stories of alpha rape/dominant fantasies written by women. The basic turn-on element is that the woman thinks this badass is evil to everyone else except her, since he loves her so.

    A hint of danger is good. Implied menace.

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    • Something about Tammy Ecclestone’s face & manner has always said, “I really need to be beaten.”

      Meh, who knows; -maybe just phrenology hokum…

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  30. British girls with US prisoners, eh?
    Not sure how easy it is for a Euro chick to arrange a conjugal visit with an American doing time in a US clink, but if they decide to take things further, immigration procedures take around 3-5 years, assuming all goes well.
    Which it isn’t likely to, since the IRS will want to know all about the American’s ability to provide for an immigrant who may potentially become a burden to the US taxpayer (his family would have to stand in as sponsors), and the FBI will dig extra-deep into the background of a foreign girl who wants to elope with a jail bird…….
    CIS will write a whole series of books on those two.

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    • on November 22, 2013 at 9:28 pm Eliezer Ben-Yehuda

      Most European passport holders can enter the USA freely and stay for 90 days. One or two visa extensions is not difficult.

      Getting a WORK permit is harder.

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      • Sure, but how many of them are going to show up at the state pen to get it on with ‘Alpha’ bad boy killers?
        Something like “Hi, I’m Anna from Sweden and I’d like to have sex with one of your inmates” might just raise a few eyebrows among prison officials…..

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  31. I believe the trend against the death penalty in recent years is driven by women’s attraction to killers. There are far less executions than there were a decade or two ago and many more states that have banned the death penalty. Also, a recent Gallup Poll found a significant decline in the % of Americans who support the death penalty today compared to 1994. This is all because women want these dangerous criminals in circulation.
    A current trend is that for the first time in recent history the number of Americans locked up in prison is declining each year (since around the time Obama has been President). Part of this is due to states such as California who are releasing dangerous fellons due to overcrowding. Of course if the people demanded keeping criminals locked up to be the first priority we would pack them in like sardines or build more prisons. But (unlike previous decades) there is no outrage over crime, no more hatred or judgement directed against the criminal element or concern for their innocent victims. This is because more than ever women are attracted to bad boys and have resentment if not a hidden hatred towards their polar opposites…the harmless “nice guy”.

    My prediction of where this is all heading to is greatly reduced prison sentences and more parole and probation than ever before. They will start closing prisons because there are not enough inmates. Women want to be able to meet and fuck these guys. It is a waste for them to have them locked up. Yes this will make the streets much more dangerous than they already are. We are already seeing a reversal of the two decade decline in violent crime.

    What’s pathetic is nice boy betas will also voice their support for less prisoners. I often hear some whiny beta compain “Oh my The United States inprisons more of her citizens than any other industrial country”. Yes many of them are drug related. But almost all women would choose a bad boy drug user or seller over a beta. These betas wonder why they are dateless and sexless yet the policies they support (and the way they vote) makes it all the more certain they will stay that way.

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    • Selling and exporting prisoner body parts of murderers and wall street pezzonovantes will make U.S. prisons selfsufficent.

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    • I don’t buy this. There is just more sentimentalism and lower crime (due to these prisons) and we are forgetful of what a violent, dangerous world the 70s through 90s looked like.

      That said, the death penalty is hardcore, and it makes pro-civilization nice guys look pretty alpha to say: lock these trash up or kill them. Whose alpha now, MF?

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  32. This has already been quantified and verified by many sources when it comes to the badboy issues.

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  33. like the tag ‘ugly truth’ – which despite katherine heigl is actually a solid movie on how jerk behavior trumps beta.

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  34. Excellent story as usual, CH. There is one more reason, that psychologists mention, for why the legions of twisted women like to marry criminals: protection. In their minds, if they side with evil they are protected from evil. Even when the evil murderer they marry is in prison. By being on the evil side, they hope that the rapists and murderers out there will attack other women instead.

    Find the murderers at anti-death punishment websites? Figures. Those people are sick. They never lift a finger to protect people from crime, but they do everything to cater to the criminals. More voters for their ideology.

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  35. It’s much less surprising that an assassin like Carlos would receive female attention than a child murderer. Assassins are badasses and greatly admired by most men.

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    • CH Braveheart is the greatest movie of all time. And very timely. I call on all of us freedom fighters to watch it this weekend and plan accordingly.

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      • Nope. Gran Torino. Ask Herr Eliot.

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      • How did my name get associated with calling Gran Torino anything but an okay movie?

        And me, a renowned aficionado and respected critic of the silver screen… sigh. 😦

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      • I am disappoint. Large Baby Bull is Eastwood’s crowning achievement in the trilogy that began with Outlaw Josey Wales and Unforgiven.

        From unstoppable grim reaper, to unsuccessfully reformed death-dealer, to fully realized sacrificial Christ figure (with RealTalk).

        Matt

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      • Still chock-full of the required antiWhite litany… that’s how he was able to get away with the tame-by-today’s-standards so-called RealTalk.

        And Christ wasn’t already a goner from lung cancer.

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  36. MOST women are prone to “magical thinking”. Thus explaining what appears to be completely irrational behavior. This is the thought mode of all primitive peoples. Women are still primitives. Civilization was (and is) built by men.

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  37. The lowest ghetto chump in a gang has more power than a hedge fund guy rolling in millions, because the latter just has money, the former can decide literally who lives and dies. That is ultimate power: the power to kill. Indeed if a Black killer is even somewhat thoughtful the chance of being caught is low. Most murders in the ghetto are unsolved. Few witnesses, fewer that talk, few cameras, little DNA evidence from a drive-by, etc.

    The “Harley Quinn” survival mechanism re: fuck me don’t kill me response to killers is fairly deeply hard-wired into the vast majority of women. Again, not all women desire killers, but about 95% desire dangerous men and HATE HATE HATE beta males who don’t show evidence of being able to kill at the drop of a hat. Women LOVE VIOLENCE, that’s the main thing, as Shades of Mommy Porn proves definitively.

    Race to the bottom in killing is of course, a huge danger because guys will do anything to get laid and the “forbidden knowledge” that being a killer will get you laid is irresistible. South Korea and China and Japan better crank out those realistic sexbots really quick, or we will have beta male town turn to killer town faster than people think.

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    • We are going a little nuts here, as usual. The vast majority of women are marrying men of similar status and education. Female lawyers are probably somewhat more badboy chasing than other professional women, but most are marrying male lawyers or other professionals. Even for fucking, its generally similar type guys. Most you see is slumming it with a cop or fireman. Theyre not hanging out with drug pushers for the most part.

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    • In the overwhelming majority of cases, the ghetto chump only decides which ones of his fellow ghetto chumps live or die. And gets to screw lots of ghetto chump pussy.
      While the hedge fund guy rolling in millions can buy all the 10’s he wants with one flick of the fountain pen.

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      • This reality you speak of, is lost on Whiskey. Because why? There are a few reasons. First off and most importantly, he is a YHW shill that needs to continually sow the seeds of destruction against Euro-males.

        Secondly, related to #1, he tries to convince white women to miscegenate. Always talking about the LOVE of Euro-men for niggah ball. The LOVE of Euro-women for black 65IQ cock, et. al. He is a Jew through and through. And has been called as such for a long while now.

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      • Let’s be rational here. Murder rates have lowered over the past twenty years. Nowadays a murder charge only leads to some letters and a lifetime supply of gay sex.

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      • That’s funny given I’m as Scots and Irish and German as they come.

        And yes White guys fill stadiums to cheer 68 iq Black guys run with footballs. I don’t watch it or make them watch it. I don’t force women to idolize the Kardashians or make Kim worth 20 million. I don’t like Black-White baby making, too many Philip Chisms looking to kill a White guy or girl to cleanse their White blood like Franz Fanon and Malcolm X. But I don’t run away from reality either.

        And no , hedge fund guys don’t have the sheer number of kids your typical hood rat has. Their women are hotter by a factor of ten I grsnt you. But no one can criticize Dontavious while anyone can beat up on hedge fund guys. Power is shown by who you cannot criticize.

        Yhw is not the Wests problem. It is the innate White guy tendency to beta male it up and the demand by the Wests women for ever more Alpha past all reason. What’s Mansons IQ? 70?

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      • Mr. Ghetto Chump is likely to have lots more kids (with different women) than Mr. Hedge Fund, true.
        There are lots more cockroaches than there are tigers.
        At the little trading post of Rorke’s Drift, a couple of hundred English and Dutch guys – whose original mission it was to build a bridge – held off 5,000 Zulu.
        20 Spanish guys with horses and muskets brought down an empire of hundreds of thousands in Central America.
        The list goes on.

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      • And yes White guys fill stadiums to cheer 68 iq Black guys run with footballs.

        So that means that they want to sleep with Blacks? Hmm, they couldn’t just want to watch a sport? You think?

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      • One of your achievements is to make “Scotch-Irish” a euphemism for “Jewish.”

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      • “One of…”

        Wait, he has another?

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      • It’s the Protestant Evangelical Tim LaHaye connection. Those guys are wanna-be YKWs.

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      • I’m convinced he’s for real. We write better than that, or we wouldn’t have taken over the world. 😉

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      • enjoy your 15 minutes. it always ends well for you folks.

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    • Whiksey! My true blog hero— well one of them, anyway (Heartiste, PBUH). When will you post again? I had to take you off my bookmarks, I got so disappointed showing up every day and finding nothing!

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  38. Good article, but i still dont know what we are supposed to do about this if we dont want to go to jail for life.

    What is the equivalent attitude to use among upper middle class professionals?

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  39. Recently due to frustration over getting blown out too much (ive done 1500 approaches if not more–ive stopped counting) and though ive dated 16 girls in the last year since starting pickup, i kissed only 2 and i wasnt able to get past the first date with all of them but one. I dont know what im doing wrong, i have no mentors, i hav friends and a good lifestyle, i do kickboxing, go to school, read, workout so i feel like ill never be able to get girls.
    Because of the above, i was angry with women for a while and i posted red pill truths or argued over comments with people, etc. Eventually this caught the attention of my ex who messaged me i september wanting to meet up. We agreed, set up a time and day, and when i texted her that morning to confirm, she never replied (turns out she never got my text) so i assumed she wasnt interested and went home. Fast forward to yesterday and my ex emails me again saying that shes concerned about me, asking how im doing. We chat for a while over email, she sends me a picture of her brother and sister and her and when i asked why shes concerned she says that people have been telling her ive been acting like an asshole and since she cant forget me (we dated for one year she was my first gf and i was her first bf–until i broke it off at age 18) because she loved me and still cares deeply about me, she decidd to check up. We agreed to meet the same day (yesterday).

    When we met, she told me i havent changed (still telling her what to do) and we sit down and talk and catch up ( we ha ent talked since i broke up with her two years ago) and she told me about all they guys shes dated and slept with and i told her about all the girls ive dated. Before meeting up she told me she doesnt want to date, just to check up on me, but we sat side by side and when i smelled her hair, something insode me made me want to kiss her again. So i tried and she turned her cheek saying “no! Dont do this to me again!” (This repeated many times throughout the night) though sbe let me kiss her cheek and neck but not lips. She kept hrr leg against mine after she tried to mve away but i discretly followed, she gave me really sensual hugs (another thing i like about her) that felt like she was in love, and she kissed me on the cheek once when i promised to not turn and try to kiss her lips (i still tried but she still kissed my cheek).

    She said she doesnt want a relationship-she wouldn be able to handle another break up with me and i dont want one either but id like to sleep with her (she was a virgin when we dated, i still am. She was terrified of sex when we were together, we were 17).
    Also she told me she bought some sex toys/clothes and told me coyly, “youll never see them”.

    I told her i wanted to hang out again and she was affirmative, told me the days she was avaolable to hang out and told me to text her when i wanted to hang out anf that we could work something out.
    Please help! I dont understand whats been going on with her and with me?

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    • Three things:

      1) you withdrew so her attraction went up. She heard you were an “asshole” so her attraction and curiousity went up.

      2) you escalated so it sparked more attraction.

      3) the “I don’t want a relationship” “I have sex toys, but you’ll never see them” are shit-tests. The first is to establish “plausible deniability” if you guys fuck. Then she can say “I never meant for it to happen” because girls feel bad when they let a guy down. The sex toys was a shit test.

      Her: I have sex toys, but you’ll never see them

      You: I have a cock…but you’ll never see that..

      take it from there…

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    • on November 23, 2013 at 3:40 pm Hugh G. Rection

      1500 approaches? The law of averages…

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    • 1500 approaches? You sound severely socially awkward. If that’s the case I’d accept it, turn it into a badge and just embrace being the guy who is super awkward, in really extroverted way. At least it will give you a personality you can live up to and is congruent. But I’d be shameless about it.

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    • honestly dude, make yourself a t shirt that says “awkward” or “creepy” in bright letters and where goofy glasses. girls will think it’s hilarious and ask you why you’re wearing that shirt? First words out of you mouth: Because I’m fucking awkward, you got a problem with it? (Smirk)

      You’ll get far more action.

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      • How do I sound socially awkward? I just reread my post but im not seeing it. But maybe im missing something? Id like to know so I can improve.

        I am just in my head with girls when I am dating and overanalyzing everything. When I act on instinct I do far better…my friends tell me I have inner game issues — that I view women in a bad way and my inner game is fucked so that none of my techniques, clever lines, tricks work until I fix that. Ive heard of and seen guys whk hate on women, look like shit yet pull quality pussy. Can someone explain this to me?

        My biggest issue is cognitive dissonance — pickup says to be ice cold to the girl, be aloof, etc but when I let go, give love to girls, dont talk too much, i get much better results, yet from a pickup perspective it makes no sense to me?

        I was hoping some kind person would mentor me, because you guys seem like pros.

        Help would be appreciated.

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      • 1500 approaches and 2 kisses. Something is wrong there.

        How old are you and where are you approaching? And what level of girls are you approaching?

        You gotta find your own style that you’re comfortable with. I know guys who play the charming and friendly card but they drop sexual innuendo.and can get lays off that.

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      • I am 20 years old and I approach mostly during the day (ie daygame), the mall or the campus where i study (its a huge campus, like 10 000 people there so not much chance of seeing the girl again). I can do mass sets (I have approached 40+ sets in one day before, so approach anxiety is a non issue for me). I am approaching girls i like, those that are hot or simply look good from HB 6 – 9.

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      • Are you in a frat?

        If not join one. Does not sound like you are socially accepted.

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    • 1500 approaches? lol dafuq! I’m only up to almost-400 in a year.
      First thought is that maybe you are investing too little into your approaches (ya what sacrilege! if a girl isn’t into u — as in suxing ur dick in 5 seconds —- just NEXT that bitch) Give them all a good 5-10 minutes.

      ‘When we met, she told me i havent changed (still telling her what to do) and we sit down and talk and catch up ( we ha ent talked since i broke up with her two years ago) and she told me about all they guys shes dated and slept with and i told her about all the girls ive dated.’

      I wouldn’t give up the ghost on the girls you’ve dated. Let her spill her guts about whatever she’s done with dudes. And just take it all in with a ‘that’s cool…’ then change the topic.

      ‘Before meeting up she told me she doesnt want to date, just to check up on me, but we sat side by side and when i smelled her hair, something insode me made me want to kiss her again.’

      We smell/breathe against necks and pull hair. Just saying.

      ‘So i tried and she turned her cheek saying “no! Dont do this to me again!” (This repeated many times throughout the night) though sbe let me kiss her cheek and neck but not lips. She kept hrr leg against mine after she tried to mve away but i discretly followed, she gave me really sensual hugs (another thing i like about her) that felt like she was in love, and she kissed me on the cheek once when i promised to not turn and try to kiss her lips (i still tried but she still kissed my cheek).’

      Ya, obviously you could have fucked her. Take as a given that any time a woman meets up with you alone for pretty much any reason….there is a surefire way you can fuck her. When a girl agrees to do this, she’s essentially saying ‘if you can take me on a little ride, I’ll give it up.’

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      • I’d love to know how to take girls “on a little ride” so that she gives it up, but every time I meet up with a girl I lose her. I don’t know what I am doing wrong.

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      • Are you sneering condescendingly at her any time she tries to be funny or talking down to her when she attempts to sound intelligent? Also, make a practice of using just your eyes to undercut her self-esteem. When she’s going on about something she considers incredibly important or making an attempt to ingratiate herself, just stare at her as if you hate her fucking guts or couldn’t care less about her as a person. Women often mistake this as a sign that you are attracted to her. Then you can just reach out and fondle her tits or whatever you want,as long as you act like those tits belong to you in the first place and her consent is merely a bonus,she will enthusiastically give it up. You have to really get it in your head that she is simply an appliance for your dick that makes a lot of cute and meaningless noises, and act accordingly.

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  40. Women’s preference for male badboys over the sensitive male feminists reminds me of this meme: http://memegenerator.net/instance/43239524

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  41. All of which makes me wonder who George Zimmerman is having such a hard time with his women. First, his beastly fiancee makes accusations that she later rescinds, now the hot babe that he gained since the trial, and since he radically changed his looks to a heck of a lot more alpha with the shaved head and beard, calls the cops to arrest him for allegedly breaking her furniture and pointing a firearm at her. I’d think his bad boy cred of fatally shooting a thug, then making it through a weighted jury trial and getting declared not guilty, would give women the tingles they want and get them to back him up and side with him, not call the cops on him. I’m hear to learn an answer, so an inquiring mind wants to know, how to go bad boy so she flies a helicopter to break you out of prison, and not call the cops to get you thrown in.

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    • I’m sure some black women think he’s attractive.

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    • It’s because GZ represents the law abiding beta male that women hate. The non intimidating neighborhood beta who uses a gun to kill a more physically imposing alpha male. And I hate to label that shithead Trayvon as a alpha male, but thats the term I have to use in relation to the fact that lets face it, hes the type of thug that women would get tingles for. It’s the fact that beta male GZ stepped out of his place and did not submit to the alpha male and let him take his life.

      Women seem to be greatly attracted to men who as far as they know have always been alpha males, or have been alpha males for a long time. On the other hand, they hate beta males who have flashes of alpha and gives signs they are turning into alpha males. Those pesky beta males are suppose to know their damn place, dont cha kno?

      I’m going to stick to the fact that if GZ had a long rapsheet of serious crimes and had been in and out of jail all his life, combined with the fact he wasn’t white the whole thing would of been swept under the rug. Noone cares when a thug shoots another thug. But even once it was obvious he wasn’t white, the fact he was still just a law abiding regular joe who was living like a typical white beta male, means they still had to try to throw him under the bus. Beta males aren’t suppose to take charge of their lives, protect their neighborhoods, and do as they please. They are suppose to take their butt fuckings from their alpha male overlords.

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      • I’m thinking it’s much simpler than that: He no pretty.

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      • It’s because they are afraid of the Black criminals who say they are going to murder Zimmerman. They are afraid because the media attacked him with lies (from the very beginning, when CNN called him “White” for ten days, then made up “White hispanic” for this dark-skinned Latino) and showed that he is Not Allowed. Women want to be allowed in the herd.

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  42. why, not who, dang it. PIMF.

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  43. Who can blame him? Will was loyal to planet of the apes for a really long time by any standard especially movie star standard.

    http://omg.yahoo.com/news/smith-margot-robbie-step-together-film-event-weeks-211000766-us-weekly.html

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  44. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2510542/Britains-white-honour-killing-Teenager-brutally-murdered-Muslim-lover-exposing-relationship-family.html

    “Laura Wilson was just 17-years-old when she was stabbed to death next to a canal in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, in 2010.

    This wasn’t a mugging gone wrong, or a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In fact, the mother-of-one was the victim of Britain’s first white honour killing. Her death was premeditated murder, plotted and committed by the boyfriend she was madly in love with.

    Her sister, Sarah, reveals on tonight’s episode of Britain’s Darkest Taboos on Crime & Investigation Network: ‘She loved him. She worshipped the ground he walked on, she really did. She would have done anything for him.’

    Only 16, she fell pregnant as a result of the fling and had a daughter, Alicia. Zac refused to acknowledge he was the father.

    After Alicia is born, Laura and Ashtiaq rekindled their relationship but he insisted it must continue to be a secret. But while Laura was very much in love, her mother, Maggie, believes Ashtiaq was just using Laura for sex and treated her badly.

    She said: ‘I heard a phone conversation between Laura and Ashtiaq, Laura telling him how much he loved him and he was just so nasty. You could hear Laura crying in the background. He was saying just how much he hated her and that he’d got another girl, and he wasn’t interested in her and she’s shouting back “I love ya, I love ya…”. He used Laura I think at the end.’

    Laura soon became sick of being Ashtiaq secret and on October 6, 2010, fuelled by alcohol, she and her sister made the fatal mistake of revealing all to his family.

    They knocked on his mother’s door and told her what was going on.

    Sarah recalls: ‘Laura told her that she wanted to marry him, but his mother got aggressive and hit her with a shoe, calling her “a dirty white b****”.'”

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    • In all likelihood a case of Muslim asswipe meets BritSkank.
      If not, we need to re-introduce public hangings and the blocks.

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  45. I think reading this blog raises my testosterone levels

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  46. I’m not sure of the practical utility of this knowledge. Each woman is going to have a different balance of hardwired killer attraction and rational killer revulsion. That’s why there are 100’s of millions who don’t write killers in prison. If one is targeting the biggest number of chicks to lay, it seems like going full serial killer attitude would miss the main population. So how many ticks should you back it off.

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  47. Does this theory explain the presence of so many women on this site’s comment boards?

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  48. […] Reader Never Mind the Balzac writes, It’s estimated that around 100 British women are engaged or married to men on death row in the US at any one time.  […]

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  49. i used to fuck a girl that when she was 16 she fucked some 40 year old guy she knew because he had just killed two cops. i had known her since my teenage years and still know her, never wanted to fuck her til i was about 24, so i did. but when we were younger she was totally unashamed of this. really a normal broad by the looks of her now. even engaged to a good guy, living with him in hawaii. i wouldnt call him a shrub, but hes definately not a badass, and i doubt the guy would leave her at this point if he found out about her past, which she of course lies about. not my problem though, i wasnt about to keep her.

    but it does go to show, its not just death row. a lot of broads are like this, and not just that many dont have the flaps to do it, but many do and just keep it secret the rest of their lives. most of them probably look like the average broad, you would probably bang, and some poor schlub is probably gonna marry her and let her be the mother of his sons and daughters. there really is no way of telling really what kind of bitch(es) you are letting into your life, the only way to stay secure is to use them for sex and count on yourself for everything else. i wouldnt be surprised if half the women in the west have fucked some dude for some reason like that.

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  50. Ha! Thwack, there’s hope for you getting some non-sub-human ass yet!

    Seig Heil, Mein Obama!

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  51. I went to a club by myself tonight:

    – waited in line for a long time
    – was a little nervous considering i was by myself
    – a few girls waiting behind me made it awkward for me
    – i think one of them said i was “creepy” and the other agreed (which kind of hurt)
    – when i got inside i felt much more comfortable since i wasn’t forced to stand around with people for long periods of time in awkward silence
    – people could tell i was by myself but several girls wanted to dance with me anyway and at least two of them were cute (7-8)
    – i didn’t dance with anyone and didn’t talk to any girls and i went home haha

    This was the first time I ever went to a club by myself and felt relatively comfortable. Fuck, if I had any game I’d be fucking them all.

    Baby steps I guess but I’m so far behind.

    Is a course in public speaking a good idea? Maybe I should learn how to maintain conversations with everyone first before I hit on girls? Or should I continue going out by myself and getting over my fear of social situations?

    What do women think of men who go clubbing by themselves? Do they think they’re creepy losers? Do they on some level respect a man who goes by himself?

    Does a man who is by himself and feeling comfortable in his own skin Displaying Higher Value?

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    • Mentor.

      The combox protips and pep-rally videos you get online are no substitute. Most men of a certain age are happy to take a bumpkin under their wing. They like to pass along their wisdom gratis, and they find their reward (and relive their glory days) through your steady improvement and accomplishment.

      That is how all this worked before dial-up modems and message boards.

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    • Good on you for going out, man. First step to take away the bitterness, trust me. I’d suggest you just start talking to everyone, too…but mainly, if you’re comfortable with possible rejection — just dive right in to talking to girls.

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    • What do women think of men who go clubbing by themselves? Do they think they’re creepy losers? Do they on some level respect a man who goes by himself?

      I do it. A lesser-alpha buddy of mine does it too. It’s fine if you have a good attitude. The biggest problems if you’re a lesser beta is remembering not to stare at women like a spookyfish or hover (look up “Hovering” in the archives).

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    • Patrice,

      I’m a member of Toastmasters and a mentor at a couple clubs.

      Public speaking helps a lot but just because you get good at it doesn’t mean you will bang hot girls. If you want to bang hot girls, go out and practice PUA on HOT GIRLS.

      But, the benefits of public speaking are pretty solid

      1) You improve on how you convey your personality and ideas
      2) Your ability to maintain composure in a stressful situation increases via the improv sections of Toast Masters class and participating in the other speaking duties (Evaluator, Quotemaster, Grammarian, etc)
      3) It’s a good way to network with other people
      4) It’s a legit hobby to have IMO. Just something you can get better at your own pace and be proud of….similar to PUA
      5) You get better at speaking in front of groups of people
      6) You get written feedback after your speeches on how you can improve…this is similar to how going out in-field fixes you
      7) You get a “playground” to understand and practice group dynamics. If you fuck up in Toastmasters, who cares
      8) You get pushed out of your comfort zone and similar to practicing PUA, it makes you able to handle other things life throws at you

      Whatever city you are in, google your city name and also Toastmasters….high chance that there is a club nearby.

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    • Don’t lose fact of the site that people are playing roles. It’s an interactive theater for adults.

      Club culture is it’s own animal, and I know it pretty intimately, so really nothing phases me in this environment. If you want to feel relaxed at a club, I suggest understanding the roles customers and employees play on a granular level and how the business itself works. That way you’ll feel knowledgeable in the setting and that knowledge will change your awkwardness to comfort.

      Nice thing about clubs is everyone is in a drunken trance and the lights are low, so unless you have a pair of tits, nobody is watching you. There’s absolutely no reason to feel self-conscious.

      I’ve visited many clubs by myself and pulled girls for one night stands. Even in about 5 minutes time. (hey let’s leave; ok; bang). Unless you have a really competent wingman, going solo is actually the way to go.

      Also, it sounds like the creepiness is unrelated to your showing up by yourself. It sounds like you have to work on your personal vibe.

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  52. […] The Female Preference For Badboys, Quantified | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  53. [ch: in africa, there are tribes that engage in “daggering”, which is basically dancing up to women with your erection out. the practice has caused a lot of broken dicks.]

    Oh please…

    Daggering originated thousands of miles from Africa in Jamaica. It’s performed fully clothed and in public. A broken penis practically never happens. Dancehall, the type of music from which it emerged, isn’t even popular in Africa so I don’t where the connection with African tribes came from.

    Stick to anecdotes for your fabrications, son.

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  54. Gonna give you a big clue… these girls like evil men because they are evil. Women get pissed when they are more evil than the guys that are trying to pick them up. Single girls say this all the time “he’s not wild enough for me.”

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  55. As as aside, she vindicates my theory that psychotic women are too cowardly to do evil, so they just mate men who do. Check out the BS machine.

    “I appeal to all intelligent persons not to believe everything that is being presented about Richard in the media. The facts of his case ultimately will confirm that Richard is a wrongly-convicted man, and I believe fervently that his innocence will be proven to the world.”

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  56. Question: is it too cliche nowadays to text a girl 3 days after getting digits?

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    • Not at all, and if you wait longer than that and she is hot, you will likely be quickly forgotten. The whole “3 day rule” thing always struckly me as absurdly gay. If you game was tight and you got her excited about you, she cares fuck all if you text her. Next day is no good for obvious reasons but the day following is fine.

      Again, the frequency / brevity of texting is far more important than chronology.

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  57. 5$ says femcunts dig spergs more

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  58. on November 23, 2013 at 1:40 pm Randy the Random

    Fear not beta brethren, for your salvation is at hand:

    http://www.gizmag.com/nsfw-review-realtouch-sex-toy-for-men/26804/

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  59. On the flip side men are soft on beautiful women. An all male jury will be more likely to acquit a beautiful women than an ugly woman.

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  60. I think there’s more to it than mere clinical pathology.

    “100 or so British women currently engaged or married to American men on death row, is through anti-death-penalty campaign internet sites.”

    Tells you something about these activist types, don’t it? Uninhibited empathy, and proud of it.

    At some point, most people around the world realize that morally positive emotions like love or compassion, are still emotions and can lead you to irrational decisions. The West though… you folks seem to glorify indulgence in emotions. Why is that?

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  61. Aint nobody said it yet. Ok heres a late eulogy, Fuck the kennedys may your progeny end up as faggots and 2 dollar whores.

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  62. I might have a slightly different reading on the “prison romance’ thing.

    I worked immigration detention in Oz for years, and there was a fairly regular pattern.
    A busload of uni “free the refugees” mob would turn up, with a few beta boy hangers on, they would see the blokes they had asked to see (most cases they had never met them before or knew they existed till then). First day theyd be there for a few hours, then came the second day.

    They would come in dressed in “easy access” gear (skirts/dresses etc) and let themselves be fucked in the visitors yard.

    Now these are “good girls”, educated etc, yet the fantasy of being “the only one” and “Hes oppressed” short circuited their brains so much they would sit and grind on a detainees lap, and in some cases come back and do the same to a different bloke the next day.

    We didnt give much of a fuck about it as guards, as long as they kept it semi-subtle.
    But it was a powerful look into the irrationality of the “educated” female mind.

    This was a common occurrence, not a one off as well.
    I do have the theory that the detention center and authorities were the daddy figure the girls were rebelling against, if that makes sense.

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    • on December 2, 2013 at 8:20 am haunted trilobite

      Insightful. I wonder if, in the age where criminals were beheaded, the local good girls splinted their favourite bad boi’s member before rigor mortis set in, and proceeded to rebel against the patriarchy with their misunderstood corpse.

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  63. The real take away here is to have a measure of badass in your style. Be a rebel for Dottie.

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  64. Off topic: please save 1.5 million$ by exposing the obvious explanation.
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/feds-spend-15-million-study-why-lesbians-are-fat

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  65. Be interesting to require assorted beta males, white knights and “male” feminists to read this article. Perhaps they might see some light (not likely!). You have to wonder what one of these guys thinks when he sees womyn falling for serial killers. Does it somehow percolate through on some subconscious level that everything he believes in is a fraud? Or does he keep marching along in the femiMatrix?

    CH said…Women have no trouble, no trouble at all, believing negative things about their beta hubbies, and will often go to great lengths to exaggerate those negative impressions so that their transition away from the beta to a world of freedom to pursue anti-betas is as painless as possible.

    Given a female ability to create fantasies about men, you have to ask how much of womyn lying about being the victims of raype and domestic violence is an attempt to create a fantasy world in which they are surrounded by aggressive males. Boring betas become dangerous (and exciting) BadBoys. Probably the safest place for a female in America is a college campus. Yet feminist co-eds are in a constant state of hysteria over dateraype and violence against womyn. Of course, Beta “male” feminists flutter about such females in their slutwalks, not getting that it’s all one big sh*t test.

    Amy said…Like the badboy attraction itself, most women have at least a little of this complex and are somewhere on the “need to be special” spectrum.

    Something to be considered when we ask today, “why weren’t womyn allowed to vote?” Womyn support totalitarian politicos and utopian social schemes which turn into disaster. Just like the men they fall for.

    Rreot said…if woman bears child of spree killer, the offspring would wipe out other competitors. Really, it’s all like a bacteria – some mutate to be more aggressive. So from evolutionary thinking point, it does not contradict itself, they payoff from murderous children may be worth the risk.

    Another payoff for a female having children with a killer is that any male offspring will have even more females lining up to mate with them, thus ensuring their DNA gets into the future.

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  66. Patrice said…What do women think of men who go clubbing by themselves? Do they think they’re creepy losers?

    Who cares what womyn think? Anyway, most females do not “think.” They feeeeeeeeeeel. Don’t evaluate yourself on some utterance based that some vagina forces out of an orifice on the other side of a female form.

    Does a man who is by himself and feeling comfortable in his own skin Displaying Higher Value?

    Yes.

    I met several high value females this way in clubs back in the “day.” Went by myself to dig the scene,. The thing is this: you must get to the point where you really do not care what womyn say or do or even if they exist. They have to care about what you say and do. And that you exist. It requires a Zen like detachment, and may take some time and expeditions into the club underworld to develop.

    Hang in there!

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  67. This is a great game resource you guys should check out:

    http://authenticmanprogram.com/downloads/InnerGameStickingPoints.pdf

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  68. http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/21/wevorce-funding/

    “In a typical divorce, each spouse is represented by his or her own lawyer, which can lead to a sense of opposition and often end in court. With Wevorce, couples work together with legally-trained “Divorce Architects” who help negotiate the legal, financial, and emotional aspects of a divorce in a cooperative way. The whole process is guided by Wevorce’s software, which aims to eliminate many of the hurdles (and costs) associated with traditional divorces.”

    1. Nope, we’re not in another dot-com bubble, no sirree.

    2. Do. Never. Marry.

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  69. Two things:
    Very funny reading about the dumbass women who went after thugs and got what they wanted…they are too stupid to live and its good they got out of the gene pool. I would wager that human history since the beginning of our species involved massive amounts of slaughter, capture, torture and rape (like with chimpanzees), and a lot of the foolish love for such types of behavior and the people who engage in them is a holdover from those times. Logically, if a brute killed someone and raped his girl, the girl would have a much higher chance of survival if she somehow managed to accept this.

    Second thing:
    How did your site attract the most pea-brained fools from stormfront???
    A significant amount of comments involves either comparing blacks/asians to monkeys, and/or grave threats of how illuminati freemason alien Jews are trying to destroy the world with their MIND RAYYYZZZ
    These dummies have no critical thinking skills – had they been born into the cathedral, they would be mindlessly squawking about patriarchy and rape culture

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    • The rhetoric here gets dialed up pretty high sometimes, on that part, I do agree with you. Largely because of very appropriate righteous indignation on those who have been marginalized by the very victim classes we allowed to have a voice in the first place.

      However, you dismissive hand-waving about the content speaks volumes about your disingenuity. So you are a DWL whether you wear the title or not.

      Noticing the absurdly disproportionate amount of black dysfunctionality and crime which is also absurdly under-reported is no high crime to any enlightenend mind. Your Stormfront attacks are typical of liberals with no valid counter arguments or logic. You just stomp your feet and shout RAYCISS as loud as you can. This shuts down the feeble who are manifold these days, but you may as well be pissing into the wind for all the good it will do for you in the face of Eyes Wide Open men.

      Ditto above to the influence of the YHW. CH has taken the tack and position that many of his posters here do as well. We do not hold them as solely accountable for the ‘progressivism’ (read: destruction) of the West. But they -are- co-conspirators with the white elite and to say otherwise, well, see above…

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    • Yiddler says what?

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  70. Diversity hire fails qualifications six times, is hired anyway, then up and quits.

    http://nypost.com/2013/11/24/unfireable-female-fdny-firefighter-quits/

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  71. Any ladies looking for an alpha? http://mailorderhusbands.net/love/order/ LOL

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  72. Empowered and liberated modern woman tweets “2 Drunk 2 Care”, hops in car, drives off, rams another, murders 2 other women

    http://goo.gl/iqSB7s

    ‘This is not the first instance that has led to a death after someone tweeted a cryptic message. Aspiring rapper Ervin McKinness tweeted, “YOLO” last September, moments before dying in a fatal car accident. The car he was in slammed into a wall, and all five men in the car died.’

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  73. Black guy fucks up and attacks someone higher up the victim pyramid, now we’re suddenly hearing about “hate crimes” and “knockout games” after years of dead silence from the MSM.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2512958/Man-charged-hate-crime-Knockout-Game-attack-Jewish-man.html#ixzz2lcoz8bJl

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  74. “It’s informative to compare and contrast the rationalizing behavior of women with law-abiding betas and alpha killers. Women have no trouble, no trouble at all, believing negative things about their beta hubbies…This behavior is quite unlike what we see women doing with alpha assholes, for whom every readily apparent flaw is instantly and vigorously denied or waved away by their women…”

    You see a similar dynamic with respect to beta male orbiters who lament their friendzone status out loud. Women, especially feminists, will say they have “nice guy syndrome.” They use the word, “syndrome”, to imply that there’s something abnormal about him and that he perhaps is mentally disturbed.

    Not so with alphas. A woman may lament an alpha’s jerkish behavior, but she will never use the “syndrome” suffix to describe him or imply in any way that there’s anything abnormal about him. Instead, jerks are called, “typical men.”

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  75. […] And right on cue, Heartiste delivers: The Female Preference For Badboys, Quantified | Chateau Heartiste […]

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  76. I think the most interesting and relevant fact, is that men don’t do the equivalent. You don’t see men sending love letters to female serial killers. Or do you? Have there ever been any hot female serial killers? I guess not, because a hot girl would just get some men to do the murdering for her.

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    • There’s a website for men who want to correspond with and eventually date women in prison when they get out.

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  77. The mothering instinct gone awry?

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  78. Good boxing instruction before you go the gym:

    http://www.expertboxing.com/

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  79. wait, on the last post shed be happier if you treat her right, if the girl is hotter and you work hard for her. In a relationship shall I do more of this badboy game or the grateful game like fulfilling all her needs

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  80. […] A possible reason women oppose the death penalty: they are attracted to the murderers. […]

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  81. yourself? Either way keep up the excellent quality writing, it is rare to see a nice blog like this one nowadays.|
    John Smith http://dumm1.co.uk

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  82. on December 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm SuperiorToFemalePrimates

    Alpha= pure evil

    Look at history… Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin Dadadudu ….
    Women loved these bad boys. A true alpha is evil incarnate.
    If you are a good person you are a beta loser!!!!

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