The Unequal Housework Fallacy

Hanna Rosin (man, this broad gets around on the back of stealing my ideas) has a couple of cute, girly charts in this article, showing that breadwinner women still do most of the housework. This is supposed to be evidence confirming feminist beliefs that men are slackers and women are “trying to do it all”.

Another load of rancid menstrual flow. The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men. If you want something more than another person wants that thing, you will put more effort into getting it. And if you aren’t a whiny baby about it, like feminists apparently are, you’ll take responsibility for your more stringent demands and do it yourself. You won’t bitch and moan about people who aren’t doing the work for a goal you think is necessary and reasonable, but they don’t think is necessary or reasonable.

Men simply find the hours and hours of housework that women demand to be an unreasonable waste of time and energy. They have better things to do. And you don’t hear men complaining that women aren’t putting in the extra time and work to do the things men find worthwhile, like, say, detailing the car. If breadwinner wives aren’t happy with this arrangement, there’s a simple solution: learn to be happy with a slightly less than spotless home. Or hire a Mexican.

Ya know, back in the day, before insanity became the law of the land, this used to be called “division of labor”. Scary words to feminist shrikes, but that’s to be expected when anything close to the truth about sex differences accosts them.





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  1. Holy fuckin’ hell … I have said these exact same words to my wife a dozen times. Then I got smart and started saying “Hire someone then.” Ends the conversation every time!

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  2. None of these articles ever mention yardwork.

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  3. Also consider that women, as the more child-oriented sex, have a drive to maintain a sterile environment in which to plop a bunch of disease-prone young’uns. Men just want a place to crash while not on the prowl.

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  4. “They have better things to do”

    Not necessarily. Doing nothing is preferable to cleaning shit.
    Men are born to be kings with servants and bitches. Even if the man turns out to be a bum, he’s not genetically predisposed to clean the place he lives in. Actually, bums live outside to avoid cleaning up a fucking house.

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    • Great comment. I have my women shave my face. It’s primal as shit. Straight monkey grooming stuff. You’ll rarely see a pussy get so wet.

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    • Hahaha, you, like most people on this blog, have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.

      “Men are born to be kings with servants and bitches” – Where is this coming from? Some sort of wild generalization that justifies your laziness?

      Get that shit done yourself bro, that’s more macho than having everyone else clean after your mess. You’re not a child.

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      • It’s coming from millions of years of evolution during which women spread their legs for top chimps, monkey pack leaders, sociopathic rulers and dark triad kings. Most men are descendents of this small bunch of men who were craving power and domination and were not really fond of doing menial jobs, leaving that to the lesser males who couldn’t get laid.

        I get the idea of being disciplined like a military and cleaning my room and shit, I served for 2 years in the late 90s and I did my share of chores. But it’s not who I am.

        I’m not a child, in the sense that I’m willing to achieve greater things than a child. But if a woman wants to be a remora to my ship, she better learn to clean up the nest herself. I can’t be a leader and a kitchenbitch at the same time.

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      • Dear Annononninninons,

        Why don’t one of you pick an actual username. I’m trying to put as little effort as possible into reading what you write but having two of you to sort through makes that difficult. Thanks!

        – Love, YaReally

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      • Sorry can’t do.
        Lots of ad hominems going on in this forum. I prefer to make my points and disappear in the shadows.

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      • Love (no homo)

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      • Jerry Jones is so lazzzzyyyyy. Watch and learn. Boy.

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  5. It’s always funny when girlfriends claim they made your life better.

    No, they didn’t. They just bought you sheets with a higher thread count so it would feel better on their skin when you fucked them.

    This is a common theme with the self-involved sex. The things they claim they did to improve your life were done to improve their lives, not yours.

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  6. I’ve always thought exactly this. A bachelor pad is rarely as tidy as a girl’s place.

    If I was sharing a flat with a gf and it’d take 2 hours a week to get the flat to a state I’d consider clean, and 6 hours to get it to a state she’d consider it clean, then me doing 1 hour of work and her doing 5 hours is fair. My 1 hour is what I’d consider half the work. Her 5 hours are 1 hour for half of what I’d consider half the work, and an extra 4 to get it up to her heightened standards.

    So many women that come round to my place comment that they want to give it a good clean. I think it’s a good sign of how feminine and invested in me a girl is if she spontaneously starts tiding up on her 3rd/4th visit to my flat.

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    • My place is spotless. Tho I have 10,000 less pieces of shit items and decor cluttering up my place. I can swiffer the place spotless in 30 mins every two weeks. I don’t have closets full of shit n thousands of shoes. Minimalist is my credo n OCD is my guide.

      Chicks make the mess and want you to clean it. Least that was my experience.

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      • I’m a little OCD and close to spotless myself.

        One thing I like to do though is leave an empty condom wrapper on the otherwise spotless bedroom floor.

        Ahh the power of pre-selection.

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    • There’s a huge difference between “tidy” and “clean”, though. You can move every knicknack to a different shelf every day until you’ve demonstrated Keeler’s Theorem, but if the place is covered in cat piss, it ain’t clean.

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  7. The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men.

    Never thought of that exactly, but it totally makes sense.

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    • They may want cleaner homes, but I’ve found a lot of women are just as lazy as men when it comes to housework.

      Indeed, more than one man has said (to himself, if he knows what’s good for him): “If I did my job the way she takes care of the house, we wouldn’t have a house to live in.”

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      • My wife is a fucking slob. I’m the one who is keeping the place from being condemned. Her mother kept a spotless house, but never taught her how to sweep a floor and use a mop. I don’t mind a little messy, but my 8 year old is cleaner than her.

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  8. “The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men.”

    Maybe this changes when you wife them (probably not), but most of the women’s apartments and houses I have been in have been cluttered and filthy.

    [heartiste: yes, you’re right. it’s a nesting thing. a lot of single girls have disgusting bathrooms even i wouldn’t grace with my epic BMs.]

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    • Be careful here. My girlfirend/fiancee was an utter slob. I married her anyway and she’s still an utter slob. Takes after her mother in this regard. She was a stay-at-home mom for several years following the birth of our children, and unfortunately the children acquired her slovenly habits. Now the kids are in adolescence and domestic life is damn near intolerable. And I’m not a neat freak by any means, we’re talking basic stuff here. Clutter is everywhere. So I’d advise any brothers who are considering marriage to take careful note of your prospective spouse’s domestic habits, caveat emptor. Believe me, enduring a little nagging about dirty socks on the floor is a relatively small price to pay for a neat and orderly home. Its certainly preferable to going through life living in a pigsty.

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    • I think this is an American thing. Women from more traditional cultures are much cleaner. We see this disparity even among the short-term tenants and exchange students who rent our basement: the Americans are slobs, while the foreign girls keep things tidy, ask to borrow our cleaning supplies every weekend, etc.

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      • American women are definitely pigs, but that’s compare to EE chicks and Asians, but not to American men. I live at the beach and the import’s apartments are immaculate and 4 of them can live in the same space a 2 merican whores…and it ain’t just because of dress size.

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    • You bet your ass it’s a nesting thing. My buddy’s wife, my girlfriend and all of her female relatives normally live in a moderate pig sty, but go goddamned crazy with cleaning and putting away stuff the moment they hear somebody is coming over to visit (and I’m not talking about just special occasions/parties either).

      Know this – appearance is everything to women (coincidentally, one of the reasons game is so devastatingly effective). Housework, then, is nothing more than the application of makeup to a woman’s surroundings – just another daily beauty ritual – something that the “kitchen bitch” househusband is expected to dutifully and enthusiastically assist with.

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  9. Here’s what women don’t understand…

    Men’s work usually requires strength and/or specialized knowledge and/or specialized tools, all of which command a premium in meat world… EVEN IF IT TAKES LESS TIME TO DO SAID WORK.

    For example, changing the oil in the car… simple enough task, takes about 20 minutes, tops. But it requires specific knowledge of the car’s requirements, the necessary wrenches, pans, funnels, etc., and the knowledge of locating the drain plug and oil filter. Usually costs about $30 in the real world for someone else to do it.

    $30 gets you about three hours of housework, assuming no “heavy” jobs like windows in and out.

    Now, a woman will see a man work for 20 minutes on the car while she works for three hours in the house, and says it’s all so unfair.

    Bottom-line: men get paid for what they know, not so much for how many calories they burn.

    That’s just one simple example… there are a plethora of others I could belabour.

    Now, could women change the oil in a car? Sure… be my guest, ladies, if that’s what you want to do… and when you’re done with that, take the deck off the mower and resharpen the blades, there’s a good girl.

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  10. A cleaning lady is the best $150 a month you’ll ever spend. Plus, if she is hot, you can try to bang her.

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  11. Bullshit. Most women I know are slobs and only clean up a: When they are trying to impress someone or b: They are indulging their nesting instinct. This goes doubly so for women living with a man.

    The last time I cleaned my own house it took 3.5 hours to do everything so if you’re making less than $15 an hour, it may make fiscal sense to DIY but then again, you’d be a loser.

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    • They aren’t slobs compared to men. They just aren’t. Didn’t you take note of the rooms in your coed dorm?

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      • The girls had more in the way of decorating their walls with pictures and stuff and more blankets/pillows/sheets on the beds, but seemed to be worse when it came to emptying trash, throwing out old food/drinks, and dirty clothes strewn everywhere. A dirty little secret is that most college girls actually suck/are inexperienced at laundry.

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  12. “The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men.”

    With one notable loves-to-fight exception, of course.

    😀

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  13. Different writing style, different author.

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  14. Another factor that is overlooked here is the propensity of women to create greater complexity in a task to fill the hours alloted to that task. If they think vacuuming should take two hours, it will take two hours even if we can do it in 30 minutes.

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  15. Let’s face it…feminists are the reason why everything is screwed up. Get rid of the brown blouses and we get back to a semi-utopia.

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  16. A messy house or apartment are signs of betadom. Cleanliness and organization shows that you are in control of life and have direction. Would you trust a mechanic whose shop is a mess? God knows the average women doesn’t have enough left-brain potential to do it properly herself (and having to rely on a woman for anything, even cleaning, sewing, etc. is beta), so it gets done by me.

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    • There are lots of clean-freaks betas who think they’re alphas.
      I didn’t think I would find one on this board.

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    • One of the most alpha guys I know is a nearly OCD-level neat freak. He cleans his house himself and it looks like Patrick Bateman’s apartment – it’s intimidating. Another natural alpha in our group of friends lives like a frat boy with pizza boxes everywhere and has girls come over and clean his place.
      I’ve also met plenty of clean freak betas (uptight Aspie types), as well as betas who live in total filth (basement dwelling WoW playing types.) I don’t think the cleanliness trait is alpha or beta by definition.

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      • If you keep your place clean because it pleases you to do so, that’s Alpha. If you do it because you’re still afraid Mom will be mad, it’s not.

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  17. This is what I keep telling my girlfriend. She isn’t impressed by the force of my logic…

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  18. too funny, I bet the division of labor in my future plurperfect home is going to find that almost all of the football watching labor and fantasy sports labor will be almost unfairly all on my side of the division of labor chart.

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  19. In any case, there’s a simple solution for women who think they’re husbands to do more housework—leave your husband and find someone else who will do more work.
    It’s ridiculous that people are clamoring for legislation to force men to do more housework. This stuff should be between the people who live together. Love the line about ‘rancid menstrual flow.’

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  20. Oops! Can you please change the ‘think’ in my previous comment to ‘want’ and delete this comment? Thanks.

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  21. This is SO true. My younger brother stayed with me for a few months when he was between jobs, and drove me nuts with this. He never washed a dish or picked up a piece of laundry, nor did he ever thank me for cleaning up after him. I thought he was taking advantage of my labour, but one weekend I went out of town and when I came back, the house was a filthy mess. And he was happy with it! I then realized that he wasn’t using me as his personal maid – he just genuinely didn’t care or notice whether the place was clean or messy.

    My husband on the other hand is very neat, and I like that about him. I see cleanliness as a sign of maturity and discipline in both men and women.

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  22. But hey, if she’s richer than you, at least she’ll be paying YOU alimony. Keep up your alpha bravado and it’s easy street. Amirite?

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  23. http://cavemancircus.com/2012/09/11/men-vs-women-24-pics/

    Some chuckles and grains of truth for y’all.

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  24. additionally the results are very likely biased in favor of women.
    if you ask couples seperately, what % of housework do you do, the sum of his and her answer is always way above 100%.
    since the author is biased and most guys who are subject of that survey are very likely betas who keep their mouth shut to not upset their empress when this kind of question comes up, the real numbers are very likely different from what they want us to believe.

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  25. I wish I could get a column in a respectable paper where all I did was say variations of “women these days are too fat, slutty, combative and lazy”

    [heartiste: it’d be a refreshing change of pace from the usual media pc drivel. and more truthful.]

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  26. It is annoying when feminists complain about things, apart from domestic violence (and even there they are usually wrong), that take place behind closed doors. They don’t seem to understand that a relationship is between 2 people. The feminist are not part of that relationship. Consequently, their input is unneeded.

    Secretly, I bet feminists were thrilled to find women still do the majority of the housework: it is another piece of victimhood to clutch to.

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  27. Cleanliness is beta? Jesus. What’s next? Shoelaces are beta, loafers are alpha?

    Most women are slobs, in my experience. Plus, it just doesn’t take that much time to clean a house. They drag it out, for dramatic effect.

    My living space is clean because I understand the basic science of microbiology. I keep it uncluttered because I understand basic economics — every thing I use has to be somewhere, and when I put my shit back where I got it, then I don’t have to waste time looking for it, and I don’t have to take time putting it away later.

    Women decorate their living spaces, and want them to look like no one else’s. Every space I’ve ever lived in looked like every other one. No crap on the walls. No colored pillows. Just simple, Spartan and functional. The only stuff I keep is the stuff I use or find interesting. My place has always looked like a warehouse/studio/garage, with a bed in it.

    My actual garage is clean, too.

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    • Gabardines are alpha. Jeans are beta.

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    • That’s just one of the reason woman think they do most of the housework, they’re taking care of the extra stuff they just had to have in the home.

      Everything has to have an accessory to it.

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      • Good point — extraneous crap = extra upkeep.

        Also, women clean the same way they do everything else — in that half-assed, disorganized, aimless, meandering style they call “multitasking.” It takes forever, is grossly inefficient, and never reaches a state of actual completion.

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  28. This stuff is so true. When I go camping with my wife and two boys it takes my wife four hours to get everything and everybody ready.

    When I leave her at home it’s like “Grab a sweatshirt, we’ll get some jerky sticks and juice at the store. Bye!”

    A difference in acceptable standards is not evidence of neglect.

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  29. Hmmm. Not sure you’re right bout that one. As a female I am extremely messy. I have found that men are actually neater. Also, I recently lived with a guy and became neater at his behest. He stated he was “grooming” my housewife-ness. Apparently I didn’t pass the housework test as we are no longer together… I found myself questioning why on our last day together I was still scrubbing his floors…?

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  30. “The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men.”

    ————————————————————————————

    Sorry C, but you are wrong on this one. Women do more housework because women are dirtier. Every women Ive lived with has been messy

    Its usually because of all the products and “stuff” they need to be a woman,

    Go look in a womans bathroom?

    10 fucking thousand lotions, hair stuff, makeup… spread all over the place (with the cap off each one); clothing and underwear hanging on everything…

    Most girls make a mess in order to look good. Why should I clean up after them?

    Brush teeth, shower and shave and Im good to go.

    Ladies, you know Im telling the truth.

    Fellas, NEVER have a female room mate, they can and will live in filth.

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    • In college, I was curious about who was the messier, males or females.

      I went to three different janitors in our dorms and asked each one whose bathrooms were more trashed, male or female.

      All three instantly said, “The women.” Apparently women leave dirty tampons in the shower, toilet paper piled up everywhere, and tons of cosmetic dust and crap all over the sinks.

      Another feminist shibboleth destroyed.

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    • Yep. My ex-wife was a slob. My daughter’s bathroom is just as you describe – an overflowing cesspool of junk, with clothes strewn everywhere. I haven’t seen the carpet in her bedrooms for years. Yet they demand bottled water because the tap might be dirty.

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  31. What a load of bull! I’ve never met a woman who can fix anything on the car, fix a heater, fix a furnace, fix the toilet, put IKEA furniture together without having it look like an MC Escher drawing, put together the toys for the kids, install the kids’ games on the computer, fix the computer, or even tap a keg. How come we don’t get credit for that?

    And for the love of God DO NOT look at that woman’s picture. I’m trying to juggle windows with Megan Fox and J-Biel to get that sourpuss image out of my mind.

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  32. The cleaning service doesn’t help that much. My wife cleans before they come so they don’t think she keeps a messy house. (Me, I’d make a mess so I got my moneys worth.)

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    • I pre-clean too (tidy up). The point is that then the cleaning woman can do the really serious cleaning/scrubbing. Mine is so great, I swear she cleaned my daughter’s dollhouse!

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  33. I call bullshit.

    Whenever I see the ‘self-shooters’ pics Advocatus Diaboli occasionally posts the first thing I notice isn’t the girl’s body, it’s the rat’s nest of shit piled up in the background of damn near every bathroom or bedroom they shoot them in.

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  34. on September 12, 2012 at 9:29 pm blackbird.young

    Haven’t read these last few articles yet, but had a random question never seen addressed on these types of blogs or forums. What types of movies, or what are specifically good films to watch with a girl at your place? To illicit a desired arousal in them without being too overt, like putting on a porno. I mean, something subtle, that will lead to you of course not watching the whole movie.

    Just a thought that came to mind…I think especially good for guys already with girlfriends or wives who have “movie nights” or just sit and stare at a screen together. Know what I mean?

    Apologies for not paying attention to anything else posted her recently. I will do that when I have more time.

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    • I don’t think it matters what you put on the screen. If there is sufficient attraction, both of you will be too distracted by snuggling close and touching so that what’s on the screen will become irrelevant.

      My one preference is that I can’t stand horror/gore or most scary movies. Some people like to be scared, but I don’t. If a guy would put on this type of movie I would have a hard time becoming turned on because I’d be too nervous with that kind of movie on in the background. Although I can understand how some girls might find this genre to be a turn on; they’d cling in fear to the guy and be turned on by his “protective” presence.

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      • on September 13, 2012 at 5:28 pm blackbird.young

        Makes sense. I just used to be a huge film buff. Boasted a collection of over 300 DVD’s. Then they were stolen. Then Insurance covered that and I got 300 more!

        Thing is, I remember in middle school when you’d go on “dates” with girls at the theatre.

        It didn’t ever seem like the movie mattered, because both were too busy being nervous or anxiously awaiting who’d make a move first.

        I personally like being able to be lazy (in reply to the one below) with a girl I’m seeing sometimes, and just honestly want to sit and watch a movie.

        However, it seems when it’s anything besides a horror film (like you mentioned), the girl is back in middle-school mode, waiting for you to do something, or she’s in horny-mode and starts doing things to you.

        I guess, if you’re watching a movie with a chick at your place, you shouldn’t really have anything to worry about in the first place.

        It’s just a matter of doing what you want to do at that point.

        Thanks for the replies.

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    • I don’t generally watch a lot of films with a new lady cause I can work 90 minutes way more efficiently, but on the laziest occasions I choose the latest action flick.

      Reenact the fight scenes for fun. It’ll lead to fucking.

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  35. Captain Capitalism had a similar point a while back:

    http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.com/2012/07/cleanliness-is-not-sign-of-superiority.html

    Please don’t get angry. I’m not accusing you of stealing. Just saying that great minds think alike.

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    • ‘Please don’t get angry’

      Was this beta?

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      • If being conscientious of others is Beta, even among fellow men, that would strengthen Heartiste points on unchecked female hypergamy being the downfall of western/east asian civilization.

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  36. Cleanliness is personal taste. Complaining your mate doesn’t have the same taste as you is a female trait.

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  37. How many times I gotta tell these broads?

    A man wants a wife, not a co-worker.

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/02/20/a-man-wants-a-wife-not-a-co-worker

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  38. Have they decried how women control decisions on the spending of the majority of household funds? No? Didn’t think so.

    Also, if women gave blowjobs and monkey sex in exchange for housework, there would not be a dirty dish in America. But they leave their husbands unsexed, do the dishes, and then bitch about it. The priorities seem pretty clear to me in such circumstances: the woman wants to bitch about things, not have sex and a clean house. Just saying.

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    • … Also, if women gave blowjobs and monkey sex in exchange for housework, there would not be a dirty dish in America….

      that is so funny because it is so true!

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      • Yeah, women are the original and ultimate cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face creatures… in short, and like Eve, vessels for transmitting and amplifying evil.

        Just a little appreciation and sex and we’d jump through even more hoops for them than we already do.

        But no, they’d rather be miserable/prideful and wreck both their and their male target’s lives.

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  39. I once read a funny essay by a house cleaner (in the days before the internet).

    She said the filthiest fag house was cleaner than the cleanest dyke house.

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  40. Perhaps women who make more money than their significant other think less of him and are therefore “empowered” to complain about his behavior in every capacity?
    Most of the time you see a female breadwinner household the woman is not a “lawyer cunt” but a middle/low earner married to a sporadically employed lazy man. People with means usually arrange things as to allow the wife to nurture the children as much as possible, even if it means forgoing promotions or working part time. In the case of the lawyer cunt type, then her perception of how much work she does (or how smart she is) is undoubtedly inflated.

    That said, in my social circle, woman are much less tidy than men. You might go to a guys place and see pizza or socks left out, but you’ll never see the hoarder monstrosities I’ve seen in women’s apartments. Most of these girls also can’t cook, even tentatively, and think it’s “cute”.

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  41. It isn’t just their house either. I’ve worked on cars for over 25 years, and by far women have the filthiest and poorest maintained automobiles of either gender. This goes from everything from finding trash in a car that had been there for 3 years to a woman who didn’t change the oil in a Taurus once in 80K miles and a fat, obnoxious, hippo who drove a Karmann Ghia with a locked front wheel bearing across town and ground the tire down through the rim.

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    • I find it funny when a woman says her car has problems…and most of the time it stems from the fact they neglect basic maintenance, or just lets a problem go until the car doesn’t work. I’ve heard many stories from women who blow out tires and when I ask if they check the tires to see if they are going bald or the metal is sticking out…they look at me like I’m talking in a different language.

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      • It’s even funnier when they act all annoyed in that I-can’t-be-bothered-with-such-minutiae way… like WE’RE the assholes for having mentioned maintenance.

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      • You don’t know the best one…

        6 months after divorcing my wife, she calls me up furious on the side of the road. Her step-daughter’s mustang quit running mid-trip. Turns out that she and the step-d failed to 1) Check the oil, 2) Put oil in car when the light finally illuminated, and 3) Stop driving it when it kept dying the day before and then restarted after “cooling” down…

        She then tells me it’s my fault that the engine seized since I spoiled them by always maintaining the vehicles and I should be the one to fix it.

        I laughed and hung up.

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      • Why, you smug SOB! 😉

        Living well is the best revenge.

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      • I’m going through this with my wife right now. She never gets her oil checked or does routine maintenance. Now her car is revving up to 4,000 RPMs at 60 mph. I suggested she take it to the mechanic and her reply is “I want a new car!”.

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      • Check the transmission oil level… and color/smell.

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  42. My wife creates far more mess than me. My teenage daughter too. They should do more housecleaning, they do more house messing.

    The other thing, men are more efficient workers. It takes either one of them twice as long to do any task as it does me. And they don’t do as good a job.

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  43. Ann Coulter. Seriously?

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  44. you’re just wrong about the assassination of the so-called ambassador to Libya.

    The guy was a viceroy in a country just toppled by U.S. arms.

    He was not a diplomat in the way that say – Estonia’s ambassador is in New Zealand. He was a spokesman for an interventionist imperial power.

    Does the Middle East need to be quarantined? Fine. But in practice that means quarantining the U.S. from constantly finding an excuse to go to war there.

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  45. I gotta say, my x wife was a pig. My house is so much cleaner since I kicked her the hell out. She said to me, ‘ you will miss me when I’m gone’. She may be right but it has been almost 9 years and I’m still waiting.

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    • And she never put my f-ing tools back where they belong…and when I finally did find them, they would be wrecked. Bitch, a pry bar is a pry bar and a screw driver is a screw driver.

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  46. I think the seeming contradiction between single messy women and overly clean women in relationships is that women can tolerate their own mess, but not others’ mess.

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  47. The difference also might be found in our physiology. Many people literally cannot see dirt. Meaning, it’s invisible to them.

    An earlier commenter said that women evolved to keep a cleaner cave so that the babies don’t die. I don’t buy it. Women are no more and no less piggish than men.

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  48. I have couple of pistols in.22 WMR. In normal English that translates as to potentially a very small, concealed weapon with a shockingly high muzzle velocity and shocklingly horrific -wet-ware eventualities. .The bullets are still small, but the down-range -effects on aniimal targets are often quite large.
    Always throw away the head and the feet.(s) before meal preps. Remember, part of being good is looking good.

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  49. Doing Ann Coulter would be a barg-load of fun. There is that she is probably an XY genotype, full-on AIS freak of nature. I guess she could not find room in the inn for even half of my guest , but that is not her fault, SO she would be allowed many chances to get it right…

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  50. Despite women’s impeccable memories when it comes to all the bad shit you’ve done, it seems no matter how much housework you do it’s not recorded like your bad deeds. Like a format it doesn’t accept. So worrying about it is a worthless losing battle. Better to just keep it on your own terms when it comes to how you maintain your castle.

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  51. And if you aren’t a whiny baby about it, like feminists apparently are, you’ll take responsibility for your more stringent demands and do it yourself. You won’t bitch and moan about people who aren’t doing the work for a goal you think is necessary and reasonable, but they don’t think is necessary or reasonable.

    They’re feminists, bitching and moaning is what they do.

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  52. The apartment becoming cleaner while cleaning less,
    was the experience when I broke up, and also when a close friend got divorced.

    Women have a tendency to over value cleaning work, and to pretend it is hard.
    Women are also often slobs.

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    • “Women have a tendency to over value cleaning work, and to pretend it is hard.”

      It’s hard if you have to do it 10 hours a day, though.

      In hospitality, it’s common knowledge that the housekeepers have the most difficult (and underpaid) job of everybody on a hotel staff. Tip them well.

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  53. Really, with all these everyday stuff – like ovens, microwaves, fridges, vacuum cleaners, domestic products for easier/quicker cleaning instead of all day scrubbing, frozen meals – they claim it’s practically the same as in 1912?
    No wonder less and less people takes their claims seriously, not only regarding house work, but other as well.
    Just like in that fairy tale where a boy yells “wolf, wolf” all the time, so people stop taking him seriously (and not listening when a realy hungry wolf comes)…

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  54. I have had girlfriends who did not like the way I folded towels; they would re-fold each and everyone of them with great care
    and place them all neatly in the cupboard; it would look perfect.

    I tried – calmly and politely – to make them realize that no one looks in that cupboard – certainly not our guests – and that those towels will dry our bodies just as well if they are folded and placed in a not so neat pile, and that they were wasting time and energy on something totally useless.

    they would become angry and turn this into a very big deal which could ruin the whole day if not the entire weekend.

    the attention on folding the towels was an irrational waste of time and energy

    and ruining a whole weekend fighting about it was also an irrational waste of time and energy.

    Women tend to be irrational – kind of like children or schizophrenics.

    There is a reason why we monitor, supervise and guide children and schizophrenics.

    But with feminism, we have let the children and schizophrenics decide what is best for them, best for us all.

    the crazies running the Asylum.

    Humanity chronically falls into decades or centuries of madness,
    leftism and its offspring – feminism – are madness, a sort of dark age.

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    • Correcting your vagueness: Totalitarian Communism was madness, caring for widows and orphans is Christian.

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      • I am not a religious man at all but yes caring for others is Christian

        on the other hand,

        Liberalism is madness,

        almost everything the left encourages, enables, supports, defends and promotes is bad for Western Civilization,

        liberalism is the suicide of Western civilization

        Evidence of that is coming out our ears

        Liberalism is madness

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      • Because Liberalism as it is practiced today is deliberately intended to undermine Western civilization in order to prepare it for Communism. Its the lagging effect of Soviet efforts to destabilize the West during the Cold War.

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  55. Women seem to have an eidetic memory when it comes to recalling all of our bad deeds, but the opposite is true when it comes to our housework contributions. So why bother worrying? Just maintain your castle however you feel is best and fuck the rest.

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    • … Women seem to have an eidetic memory when it comes to recalling all of our bad deeds,…

      true

      and one other weird thing about women,

      No one has ever been meaner or more unfair to me than the women I have dated,( all my male friends agree as their women were the same ) yet those women were all for saving little turtles in the Amazons and had bleeding hearts for everyone form illegal immigrants to repeat offender criminals

      everyone and everything on the planet is deserving of their empathy, compassion, forgiveness and extreme leniency – yes extreme leniency – everything and everyone EXCEPT the boyfriend.

      as the boyfriend ( or husband) , do one little mistake, displease her a little and her scorn will be cruel and lethal.

      weird isn’t it?

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      • if you’re beta, that’s what you get.
        When you’re alpha, she’ll worship the ground that you walk on, and she won’t give a shit about africa.

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      • I keep hearing this on the forum, but mostly from guys who were never married.

        And the fact that, with notably few exceptions, all these über-machers from the worlds of politics and entertainment can’t seem to hold onto their women, well…

        Let’s just say it’s hard to live with a woman and children, day-in, day-out, and not have your ass showing more than a few times over the years

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      • even if you are a 100% alpha, the mean bitch in her will eventually try to resurface

        an alpha keeps it in check, true , an alpha male manages to put a lid on her mean bitchiness, true, but the mean bitch is always in her crouched like a tiger waiting to pounce

        and that is why an alpha should not let his guard down ; never show his underbelly,
        it is a 24/7 job remaining an alpha

        I’ll say it again;
        the mean bitch is always in her crouched like a tiger waiting to pounce

        and the mean bitchiness is mostly directed at her man, while the rest of the planet gets compassion , leniency and forgiveness

        Maybe not all women are naturally mean bitches, but most of them are , that is for sure

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      • Have you ever put your index finger up to a woman’s mouth and said shh…

        99 problems, but a bitch ain’t one…

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      • it’s amazing how well the finger shushing works.

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      • A man could lose a finger that way.

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      • @Greg

        And you could lose a penis getting a blow job…
        anything is possible.

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      • Fewer fingers put to their lips translates to more (and safer!) blow jobs.

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      • Bingo

        When I lived in DC one of my favorite things to do was to get animal rights vegetarian chicks to soil themselves with meat. Oh the things I’ve done to girls using drumsticks.

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      • I was going to say, if you see this at the boyfriend stage, run the other way as fast as you can… because at the husband stage… hoo, boy… talk about a sobering awakening.

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      • Woman expect more out of people they share intimacy with generally speaking. I don’t find that unreasonable. Less expectations= less disappointment,hurt,anger, and resentment. It’s really easy to be nice to strangers and pets etc because they generally don’t do anything aggravating ,insulting,or annoying on a constant basis after being told/asked to or not to.

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      • Spin as it might, the hamster cannot make valid excuses for treating strangers like dear friends and your bf/husband like an asshole.

        You’ll do well to remember that, toots.

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      • Yes and there lies the irrationality of it all;

        little turtles in the Amazon do not carry her heavy bags, hold doors for her, take her to a nice restaurant, or provide for her,
        and little turtles in amazon do not give her -sweat rolling down her chin- neighbours pounding on the wall-sex and little turtles do not give her multiple orgasms like she never thought she could ever have

        so who is more deserving of her compassion and forgiveness?

        everyone and everything else who has not done anything for her and never will?

        or the man in her life who is doing a lot of great things for her?

        I LOVE women but pretty much ALL of them are irrational beyond what words can say

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      • Greg and canadian

        You both sound like you need to err more on the asshole side. Flowers, orgasms and all the good things don’t matter at all, any beta can provide them. Assholery and leadership are the only tools for gina tingle and ultimately, Respect.

        I’m not married but I am in a 3-year LTR, and game aware since the beginning. I don’t know how marriage and children can change things, but so far, my girl is on her toes around me. No nagging, no bitching. Nothing but loved-up stares and blowjobs.
        You need the rules/boundaries/limitations like in Cesar Millan’s show. A girl can be a wonderful companion when she’s tamed.

        Don’t tell me that bla bla I’m not married, I don’t know what I’m talking about. There are many strong men in my family and I know that women can be tamed for a whole lifetime.

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      • Appreciate the advice, bro… but there are things you just can’t know at your stage in life and LTR.

        Game or no game, Mrs. Hyde lurks, ever-ready to show her face… and it’s not uncommon to know and live with a person for even twenty years before that day comes when you say “Who the [email protected] IS this person?”

        May you never know that day.

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      • If anyone in your life treats strangers or animals better than they treat you, they should be immediately jettisoned from your life. Anyone.

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      • yes and as I have said somewhere in this thread I am at girlfriend #24

        there has been a lot of jettisoning

        If it’s too much work keeping the woman from turning into a bitch I jettison

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    • Hell, my wife’s memory is so good, she remembers things that never even happened.

      That said, you’re absolutely right… the reason not to give into her demands that more housework be done on your part is because she won’t remember or appreciate it anyway.

      Many the time in years past I took the bull by the horns to prove to her that a given task she complained about could be done in a much faster manner (and with a smile)… giving her more free time during the day.

      Alas, if there’s anything they hate worse than housework, it’s being shown they’re unjustified in their complaints.

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      • Unless you really are a slob it’s just a shit test. One easily passed if you remember it in that frame. It’s also a drama creation tool, and we all know drama is a female’s drug of choice. In fact ignoring the call to housework may just create more of the drama, which is what she really craves anyway. Follow up with caveman game.

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      • …Hell, my wife’s memory is so good, she remembers things that never even happened. …

        I am at girlfriend #24 and I am 52 years old

        all of them —ALL of them— were “remembering” stuff that never happened

        they rewrite history and then they start a fight about stuff that never happened ( or was not nearly half as bad as they claim it was )

        they are weird and evil, yet I can not live without them…

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      • I think it’s some sort of defense mechanism…

        I mean, you have them dead to rights on the issue at hand and suddenly out of left field they bring something up from years ago (and either misremembered, misinterpreted, or totally spun out of whole cloth) and it’s like your brain hits a sudden wall with a “WTF?”

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      • Yes, that’s why it’s pointless to argue with a woman using our male-derived rules of engagement.

        It’s kind of like trying to win a chess game against a quitter. Just as you approach checkmate, she swipes all the pieces off the table, sets up a new game nearby, and begins a new match — and denies that the first match ever happened.

        Guys don’t play like that. Most of us actually believe in fair play, and we finish each and every game.

        In fact, my wife and mother-in-law LOVE cheating each other at card games, and they giggle while they do it. I’ve never known a man to play the same.

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      • Big wisdom from Dad: Never argue with a woman. Agree with her insanity, but then do whatever you want. Their inconsistency extends to not enforcing whatever harebrained “idea” she was entertaining twenty minutes ago. They just want the symbolism of agreement.

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  56. Tis true, some women cannot tolerate a house that isn’t quite perfect.

    While the family appreciates a clean home they become rightly annoyed with my cleaning and obsessional levels of neatness for the bathroom/kitchen. It is annoying for them I value order over comfort. Then again its pointless for me b/c there are other things do in life besides clean.

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  57. It appalls me to no end that I was a beta provider for fifty years, yet still remember this story from my childhood. My grandpa – a hard-working blue-collar man – was relaxing in his easy chair while grandma cleaned up after dinner. When asked why he wasn’t helping, he snorted and said “That’s women’s work.” Later, he elaborated. “If it’s easy, requires no mental or physical skill, and in or near the home, it’s women’s work. Men’s work is dirty, dangerous, difficult, and usually outdoors.” Grandma, by the way, was a teen beauty queen and still slender and attractive in her fifties when she died unexpectedly. Conclusion: Grandpa was an old school alpha, and his lessons flew right over my head.

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    • Glad I figure that out. My wife knows to go to me for a real mess. I clean the gutters, fix the faucet, add the fixtures or work on the car. She know why she can expect that too.

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  58. Dear Gentleman,

    I’m trying hard to get heartiste’s message into my wife’s head for years, but alas, to no avail, probably am too beta – but not as beta as what follows.

    If there will ever be again a beta of the month contest I respectfully submit former German president Christian Wulff as contender. A mediocre politician who dumped his wife and kids a couple of years ago falling in love with a blond corporate marketing lady
    (she really is as dull as this sounds and even features a meaningless lifestyle tribal tattoo on her shoulder as means of “individual fulfilment” (her words) – an offense for any sailor, warrior or prostitute in human history that ever had markings stitched into their flesh which really meant something)
    and had to resign from office in disgrace this winter because of allegations of bribery – a huge affair in Germany and for weeks the most important topic even topping the Euro crisis – now fully experiences his fall from grace . This charming piece of womanhood is currently on the marketing war path for her biography (who on earth wants to read the life and times of a 38 old corporate marketing slave btw?) and has this to say about her soon to be ex-husband (sorry very the rough and unpolished google translation), have fun:

    “Former German President Christian Wulff and his wife Bettina go to a therapist to handle the effects of the time before his resignation on their relationship.

    Her husband last winter failed to properly take care of her feelings. He regrets this today, Bettina Wulff said the magazine “Brigitte”, according to a preliminary report of the interview: “We have got professional therapeutic help, because the process cannot be solved alone by me.

    The 38-year-old accuses her husband that she at his side had to suppress her needs. “I throw him sometimes that he pushed me a great piece in this role. And if I look in hindsight, this will have effects on the relationship (in German much stronger as “sich rächen”),” she said.

    As Bettina Wulff also said that she had deliberately in his resignation speech in February positioned herself away from her husband. She wanted to show everyone that she is an independent woman. She is annoyed still that she had been with him often lumped together and thrown into a pot.”

    Priceless!!! I’ll givem them at most 3 months before he has to move out!

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    • Well maybe he can move in with his corporate sugardaddy. You also forgot that there are allegations of a past in prostitution against her, so maybe that tattoo really does mean something 😉

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  59. I read over that time use study Rossin used as the basis of her pretty graphs. Funny thing, no where in it does it differentiate between single parent and two parent homes. Considering the amount of single mother homes, is it that crazy that a raw survey such as this still shows differences in things like time spent on child care?

    [heartiste: good catch.]

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  60. My theory is that women were more sedentary, and thus lived much longer in one place. What happens to a flea bag that sleeps in one place all the time? Its probably also why women tend to have less body hair than men. Hair became maladaptive because of host parasites in a closed space. So women are more prone to clean by instinct.
    In that case , every time I don’t leave a skid mark in my underwear, I’ll count that as a chore dutifully performed.

    Stop fucking with the instinct, ladies.

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  61. Succinct, topical and well written post.

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  62. The only time housework is unequal is when a man does any of it.

    Get back in the kitchen, bitches, and make me some pie!

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  63. The exceptions to messy/dirty women are the young thin and what you guys call “high T” women.

    The reason they are cleaner is because their attitude is more male oriented (their house ain’t cluttered with a bunch of knick knacks collecting dust and cobwebs…) and because they are young and thin, they don’t need a lot of “gear” ( makeup, tons of cosmetics, clothing…) to look good; and they know it.

    Beware the woman who needs a whole bunch of “gear” to look good; these are often the corporate types who work in the “pink ghetto”.

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  64. She gets paid 1/2 of every hour I work overtime so …

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  65. From the Great Gonzo of Gonzo’s Bar and GoGo Grill circa 2005

    (grammatical errors and sentence structure purely the fault of this poster)

    The reason why males as a whole do not feel the compulsion to do housework is because we don’t give a flying you know what about any semblance of dirt or disorganization that has been made either by ourselves or by others.
    Of course this has lead to a gender division and a rallying cry spouted forth by the feminist harpies that has infected our society.

    The main reason for the braying from the so-called “tender gender”(I just made that up I might have to copyright it) is they have this nauseating, inherent, annoying habit in the way things look. In other words they are concerned about appearances to the outside world.

    Now I would like the womyn of self proclaimed confined domesticity (I just about blew the top of my head off coming up with that one) to think about what you are asking men to do by helping you with the housework and it’s consequences. If we were put in the position of only been able to concern our selves with the way things look and not the way things are, there would be a fall out that I expect you are not willing to deal with.

    If in the past we had been concerned with such trivial things you would not be the most protected, pampered, spoiled, and over indulged species that you are today.

    Since there is no scientific study that I am aware of that men have forced womyn to do this chore I can only think that the braying and bleating from the feminist pen is that they simply cannot help themselves .

    As far as I am concerned I could not care less if the front hall is swept or the toilet bowl cleaned. I only care about the front hall if a tile has started to lift or if the toilet bowl is over flowing with last nights over indulgences.
    At which point of course if I have not observed such said occurrences the high-pitched whines emanating from the chocolate wrapper covered sofa to fix these problems will be heard half a mile away (bon-bon’s anyone?).

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  66. Reblogged this on Scatmaster's Blog and commented:
    Struth

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  67. To be fair, most guys seem to prefer neat women. I’ve never heard a guy say that he really wants to date a slob.

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  68. on September 13, 2012 at 7:14 pm gunslingergregi

    alllways get all the sex i want from woman i keep never clean a fucking thing

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  69. on September 13, 2012 at 7:22 pm gunslingergregi

    well ok couple days ago i woke up in a pile of broken glass in my kitchen noone else was here shit from fridge all over floor so ok that time i did pick up some glass he he he
    wierd night really really wierd night woke up cold wet as fuck and no cuts from glass covering my whole kitchen floor went to bed thought it was a dream till i went into my fucked up kitchen

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  70. Thing is, if you work and even your woman works, why would you let her clean the house? She will waste useful energy that could be used on you instead, like cooking for example. You can hire an house cleaner for 100$ a month or less and the problem is solved.

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  71. on September 13, 2012 at 9:03 pm gunslingergregi

    same reason they wash my balls clean my ears yea shave me take care of my nails cut my hair and feed me its smexy

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  72. on September 13, 2012 at 9:05 pm gunslingergregi

    all that stuff is usefull energy she uses on you what else usefull she gonna do talk about saving the rain forest

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  73. on September 13, 2012 at 9:06 pm gunslingergregi

    plus of course having a cup that fills itself magically and cigs that light themselves magically

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  74. I do all the housework and I don’t mind, actually I quite like it. About the only thing I ask my fiancé to do sometimes is the dishes if I’m not feeling well or if he has created an unusually large mess in the kitchen and left it all strewn about the place for me. He’s usually quite good about it though, but as with most things, it’s only on his terms and only if he feels the request is a fair one. I also have to ask politely and not nag, because if I do he’ll refuse outright.

    He’s very kind to me though, and he is helpful, it’s just always on his terms and tends to be spontaneous. If he’s in a good mood or I’ve pleased him, I can walk into the kitchen and find the dishes done or something similar. He has a preference for always doing these sorts of things when I’m not there to see or catch him doing it, though. When I thank him for it he’ll always joke around and deny it. He’ll tell me it was a figment of my imagination or that I must have just forgotten I did them or something like ‘What? Don’t be stupid, you know I don’t do dishes.’ ‘Yeah, I saw some hot guy in here earlier, not gonna lie, it was pretty arousing.’ ‘No idea, but no offence – whoever it was is clearly better at this than you are’ and so on. Always makes me laugh.

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    • Nutmeg,

      It sounds like a healthy relationship

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      • Sounds like female fantasy daydreaming to me.

        I suspect there are paradoxically more female keyboard jockeys on this forum than male ones.

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      • It is, yes. I’m very happy. We’ve been together since our teens. This blog has been quite interesting for me in the year or so I’ve been reading it, because it’s put into words and explained things I’ve observed or on some level understood about others and myself and further made me realise the wisdom of a lot of things my father taught me growing up. It has also made me doubly appreciate the choices I’ve made in life so far, and the man that I am with. It has amused me quite a lot to realise just how much he games me, and being aware of it doesn’t change a thing. It just makes me think he’s even more clever and cheeky than I thought, heh.

        As for the commenter deciding that I’m just fantasising, I guess I’ll just take that as an unintended compliment. Well, or lack of reading comprehension. It puts me in mind of the sort of reactions I get from women if I ever make the fatal mistake of mentioning something nice my fiancé has done for me. Suddenly I’m getting smirks and snide comments and suggestions that I ‘have him under the thumb’. It’s as if the mere suggestion that I -earn- those things from him by treating him right, and because *gasp* that’s the standard he sets for me, and then rewards me for meeting, is outlandish and beyond the scope of everyday understanding. Ah well.

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  75. hmmmm. Women better beware of what they wish for…..because they might just get it. I’ve found that there are two types of men when it comes to housework :

    1) Very easy laid back with housework (doing little or none – not a problem for me actually) but suddenly goes all maniacal with housework when they have to host someone important – like potential girlfriend or potential mother in law.
    2) Very very fussy all the time – worse than women although men like these are quite rare (but it does happen as nature loves exceptions). Their approach to housework is like some men’s approach to cars, sport or some other manly passion. Real fusspots – the masterchefs of housework.

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  76. my husband has a substantially higher threshold for ‘cleanliness’ than me. he is probably the neatest person i have ever met. i’ve greatly improved my cleaning habits because i know it’s important to him, and it does feel nice to live in a clean environment. but sometimes it just doesn’t register to me that the dirtiness is at a point that it needs intervention, because it seems perfectly fine to me. i’m not intentionally trying to annoy him.

    i’m confused by the insistence on women doing the majority of the housework because it’s some sort of reinforcement of the hierarchy within the partnership, even if you have the ability to hire a housecleaner. it seems like having the housework done by a third party would eliminate a huge potential source of conflict. in your minds, is it THAT integral in the establishment of relationship dynamics?

    but i do assemble all of our furniture and repair the computers.

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  77. I have a female relative who is constantly complaining about all the cleaning & housework she has to do. Her kids are grown and out of the house, and her husband travels frequently for work. All the “work” she has is largely self-imposed. She still buys food as if WWIII is going to break out soon. When she goes grocery shopping, she insists on going to one store for fruits & veggies, another for meat. and another for everyday items. She has a large lawn, garden, and assorted plants which cost an arm & leg in water bills, but freaks out about “wasting water” if you do not have a full load of laundry. She complains about the cost of food going up, while having a closet full of handbags that have not been used in decades.

    On a recent junk day, she asked me to help toss out some old speakers and old CD/tape deck, which was fine. Then she asked me to toss out a unit which was a record player & CD player/burner in one. I knew my uncle still has a lot of old records that he likes to listen to, so very intentionally I said, “But how is he supposed to listen to his records if you throw out the only record player?” When he heard what she was trying to do, he said no way. My work was done.

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  78. I should add as an addendum to the record player story, a few years ago, this same uncle received a really nice iPod from United for flying over 2 million miles. He is not that savvy with tech, but his best friend took time out and loaded his favorite music onto it. Then, one day, his wife decided to do some “organizing” – and the iPod was gone. She does not know where it went, and he is not the confrontational type, but it still bugs him.

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  79. I came up with a new related opener:

    “- Ladies, I need a female opinion on something. Why is it that women are able to live in a dirty appartment when they’re single and as soon as they get into a relationship, they turn into neat freaks”

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  84. on October 6, 2012 at 3:47 pm Loved and Loving

    The reason women do more housework is because women can’t tolerate messy homes as well as men can. Women want and require cleaner homes than do men.

    I STRONGLY disagree.
    Many men here not only don’t tolerate “a little messy”, they DEMAND a spotless home. From their wives. It’s what wives do. Clean the house. Now, some men actually help if the woman has a job and is out of the house, and some men refuse to help in any “female work”. Depends on the man. Some husbands demand their wives work a full 8 hrs, then come home and clean the house, mind the children, etc. The only salvation for these ladies is to get a daughter and put some of the work on their shoulders early on.
    I’m not saying I condemn these men – if their wives tolerate it, then it’s fine. Every person deserves the treatment they get, otherwise they wouldn’t tolerate it.
    But it’s stressful and may force the woman search for comfort elsewhere. A word of advice – if you require your wife to work and clean the house, children, etc with no help from your side, make sure to enforce Draconian anti-infidelity measures – check her phone, forbid use of Internet, etc. If you burn her out, she will search to have another man – both as stress management and a sort of punishment/revenge.

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