Is Female Careerism A Form Of Infidelity?

Reader Sidewinder writes:

While some degree of the female fascination/obsession with credentials can be explained as projecting onto themselves what they find desirable in men, I think there’s more to it than that. Not all, but a sizeable percentage of intelligent women become obsessed with their school or work. Maybe its just self-centeredness, but many women place their “career” to such a high level of importance that it almost becomes the primary component of their identity. Having read a good deal of marriage therapy literature the past year, some therapists have classified this female career obsession as a form of infidelity to the family and marrage. And its no coincidence that the vast majority of female infidelity takes place in connection with her workplace.

I wonder if in addition to projection, this obsession stems from an unconscious recognition of their declining attractiveness. Its like the 40 year old women at the gym: while they know that men aren’t especially attracted to muscular, hard-bodied women, its really the best option for them considering the alternative of sagging cellulite. Maybe girls latch on to school and work in their 20s because they feel its the only thing they can do to try to mitigate their inevitable declining looks as they approach their 30s and 40s.

Paging Penelope Trunk…

I agree that there is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.

Sidewinder hits on an angle not much discussed in the media (obvi). Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang. It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.

Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.

Perhaps, as Sidewinder also noted, female careerism presents the illusion of a safe harbor from the approaching wall. When a woman’s SMV inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores. Women with larger families don’t seem to dread the coming apocalypse of their beauty as much as the quasi-barren SWPLs seem to do, who start using expensive anti-wrinkle creams at age twelve.

The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”

Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose. A man turning his back on raising his status is akin to a woman letting herself get fat and slovenly.

The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.

Additionally, it can be argued that a sexual market which favors easy sex (for alpha males only) and a marriage market increasingly against men’s interests pushes women into the careerist mindset, because subconsciously they realize that the guarantee of a strong male provider that was once their birthright is now a sucker’s bet, and one they have convinced themselves they don’t even want. Women, sensing the change in the rules, have responded by storming the state college citadels to earn their communications and women’s studies degrees by the boatload.

Of course, as I always remind the women reading here who complain about the change in the game…

Ladies, you get the men you created.





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  1. Can’t say this enough this site is a godsend!

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  2. Love the Penelope Trunk reference…

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  3. Yet how many will find true economic security? The numbers alone make that impossible. Never mind the number of dwindling males who will support them.

    Dated a woman a while back that went from being a teacher, to a server, to an artist. At 33 with no real income coming in, she was peddling water for tourists and barely making it. On top of it all she still had student debt.

    Do they listen when these experiences are written for them to see? Not from what I can tell. Only when it’s too late do they realize what they did was in vain.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 5:42 pm Master Dogen

      “Only when it’s too late do they realize what they did was in vain.”

      Many, many do not realize it even then. Instead they kick into a whole new gear of rationalization, and blame men, blame society, blame sexism, claim they never wanted a man anyway, claim they are happy drinking mimosas with their aged spinster friends and watching gay television shows.

      Realizing they have been wrong all along would imply these women are thoughtful, introspective people who often ponder whether they are making poor decisions or good ones. Even in the face of total failure, they usually aren’t able to develop this level of self-awareness — or any real empathy with the needs and desires of other people.

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      • A female’s lack of self-awareness and the degree of their denial is extraordinary. I’ve posted this before, but a good friend of mine, really nice looking and successful lessor alpha, had his wife leave him so she could get one last ride on the bar circuit. They had two young kids. About a year before she left him, she became obsessed with her job, which was working as an aerobics instructor at a gym. Long story short, she screwed a bunch of dudes, ran out of money, filed for bankruptcy, couldn’t find any man to commit to her, got kicked out of her house, and now shacks up with a fat 53 year old. Her husband and father to her children is 35, nice looking, and a

        professional. But what is extraordinary to me about this trainwreck, is that although 99 out of 100 women would look at her

        circumstances and see that she objectively made a huge miscalculation, she boasts and showboats around town in embarassing outfits, saying shit that would be stupid for an 18 year old to say. And she’s a terrible mother; essentially abandoned her kids emotionally. She will never admit to herself how bad she screwed up.

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      • But it FEELS right! (Yeah, babe, enjoy the downhill slide… don’t forget to give you rationalization hamster a thank-you hummer when you’re all done.)

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      • So now that we know what women prefer and what they want and now that we can predict their actions, we can therefore manipulate them to our will.

        Or we could just sit back with a bag of cheetos, a keyboard and a few computer screens, and write social commentary.

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      • Naw… Lie to some chicks, fuck them and move on to the next bunch. Repeat until life runs out. Remember, all chicks like having a man with a big dick cum in them… especially if they feel their husband will think the baby looks like him, so lie about your name too.

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 5:47 pm incubus the tickler

        Cheeto and social commentary frickin’ rule.
        But I usually wash mine down with a good microbrew after the gym; Thursday to Saturday is hunting season; the rest is office time and sleep.
        The hamster likes a well rounded alpha; I even read books on occasion.

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      • Which is why Aristotle believed women were somewhere between boys and men in their development. I think this hits it on the head. Women also think they can be men or rather tell themselves they’re better and more productive than men by pursuing their “careers”. Good comment.

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  4. I love watching their “tough” exteriors break down into a drunken sobbing pity party followed by a romp with a married coworker at the annual sales meetings when they fail to make President’s Club.

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  5. yes, yes, women have been lied to by femininsts into believing this education stuff. Sure, sure, rack up $100K in debt to get that Comparative Feminist Scream Gargling degree.

    That’s the thing about the female mindset, they argue by ostracism, so people that don’t go along to get along are automatically like rednecks or something. There is a wakeup call around the time what Demirouge described where you’re 30 with no kids and no $ where at least one lawyer (unemployed like most law grads) girl I know had that realization hit her. They should’ve gotten hitched when they were young, men aren’t evil, etc.

    So they’ve destroyed one world (that icky 50’s version of america with the white picket fences) and failed to create a new one to take its place.

    Is there something “off” about them? There are careers outside the femcunt educational complex of lawyers and worthless graduate degrees that can let a girl have a career and be feminine and stuff. But, femcunts invested their career into their worldview (or vice versa?) and may be too enmeshed into their illusion to be fun.

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  6. on June 23, 2011 at 5:45 pm Half Canadian

    On the NPR story about gender, they’re basically arguing that being open-minded is the highest virtue that people can aspire to.
    What they’re showing is the farce that open-mindedness leads to.

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    • So open-minded their brains fall out.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:00 pm My Name Is Jim

      That shit will poison your brain. There’s hardly anything alpha on the radio. AM talk radio is full of beta social conservatives, most of the music is beta bait love songs and angsty beta rock and bubblegum for teenage hypergamist-in-training girls. And don’t even get me started on cheesy country music. Some of the hip hop is OK, otherwise all I can do is drive with the radio off. Maybe I could find some audiobook stuff that’s reasonably red-pill.

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      • Check out the Teaching Company. They are awesome courses on CD or DVD, downloads too. They cover pretty much every subject too: history, science, literature, philosophy, etc.

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      • on June 23, 2011 at 8:25 pm My Name Is Jim

        Checking it out now, thanks!

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      • Agree. The teaching company are great. Listening to some linguistics lectures on the train whilst the other losers read their tabloid mags. The knowledge I need!

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      • You want a good alpha talk host? Adam Carolla. His free podcast is really thoughtful & sharp.

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      • Checking him out now – seems decent so far.

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      • Tom Leykis too

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      • Been looking for something like teaching company for a while. Thanks.
        Right now I think Michael Savage is the only one worth listening to in AM talk radio. These are some awesome clips of his-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqYW1-NzZNE

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  7. on June 23, 2011 at 5:46 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

    This:

    “Additionally, it can be argued that a sexual market which favors easy sex (for alpha males only) and a marriage market increasingly against men’s interests pushes women into the careerist mindset, because subconsciously they realize that the guarantee of a strong male provider that was once their birthright is now a sucker’s bet”

    And (at least throughout the 80’s) girls were told that you had to get an education because the divorce rate was so high. If you didn’t get an education and your husband left you (as everyone assumed back then that it was the men doing the leaving) you needed to have an education to fall back on so you could support yourself and possibly your children. Apparently, feminism hadn’t kicked in enough back then to raise alimony to today’s levels (or at least no one knew it.)

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    • They hadn’t. Most of this evil stuff happened in the 90s.

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      • I think we can be even more precise. I would date it to around 1994-1995. That was when it seemed like high school girls were suddenly now dressing like total sluts/prostitutes with tits and ass all hanging out all over the place, and when high schools themselves went into hyper-lock-down-intolerance mode on boys and their typical activities of fighting, smoking, carrying knives, mercilessly teasing misfits, skipping class, harassing girls in class, etc.

        Its maybe not so coincidentally the GenX/GenY dividing line.

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 9:21 pm Douche Bigelow

        I have heard multiple boomer men mock my (Y) generation as being, in effect, raised by women.

        They say this has turned us into a bunch of pussies.

        Their sneers are completely free of any sense of responsibility.

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      • ReallY? Can you document ht with specific examples?
        I see more of realizations or statements of fact than sneers.

        Also, the origin of the whole enchilada predates boomers.

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      • My keyboards may be on its last legs. ht = that

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      • on June 28, 2011 at 7:55 am Douche Bigelow

        I had a clinical psychologist tell me this. Technically, I paid him to…honestly its probably what I needed to hear at the time.

        And yes, the problems didnt start with the Boomers. But we are just a more extreme version of them, so they should take a hard look in the mirror.

        CAD huh? Ever mess with sketchup? Im trying to build a business out of it…

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      • I’m not a Boomer. I’m very much Gen X, and I think the Boomer’s were a total disaster.

        Gen Y/Millenial girls though are S-L-U-T-S with zero brains and no idea how to use feminine wiles/allure beyond uncrossing their legs in order to snag a man. I mean seriously – shit like taking naked pictures of yourself and texting them to boys and expecting it to remain private? Or fucking or blowing every 6-10 guy in class or at the bar? And videotaping the event? Is it any surprise “Girls Gone Wild” came of age with Gen Y? Didn’t their dad tell them anything about young men and where their minds are and what they do with stuff like that, or about how anything put in an electronic record is kept FOREVER by the men who get a hold of it and shown to every other man they are friends with?

        The cock carousel wouldn’t work without Gen Y girls.

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  8. I should reveal my own self-interest/bias in this question: one of the biggest bones of contention between my ex-wife and I was her unapologetic devotion to placing her menial job (non-profit/under $50,000 salary) above her children and marriage. I made nearly twice her salary, yet the family always had to compromise and rearrange its schedule for HER career (that is going absolutely no where). And my objections to this were an attack on her “as a person” according to her. In one of her nonsensical this-is-why-i-am-divorcing-you emails, she said that I needed to find a “homemaker” and that she would be miserable in that role. I was never opposed to her working and always considered us both to be homemakers. My ex is less intelligent than the average woman and she does have a recognized personality disorder, but something about her unreasoned selfishness was universally applicable to women.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 6:01 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

      Did she hang out with a lot of other women at this difficult time in your marriage?

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      • Yep. I wasn’t worried about her cheating because the entire office is staffed by women. And they happen to do next to nothing, all day long except respond to emails and plan their next event. All funded by your taxes.

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      • on June 23, 2011 at 6:27 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

        I would place a bet that everything that you read in those emails was those women talking and not your wife. They henpecked her into believing that her career was more important that your marriage. This is also why she believed that you wanted her to be a homemaker, contrary to everything you were telling her. Her “unreasoned selfishness” came from her belief that she is WOMAN and should do as she wishes. These other women likely made her feel empowered and strong. If she has a recognized personality disorder this empowerment was like a drug. A drug that she was incapable and unwilling to to rid herself of. Why women listen to other women that tell them these things is a complete mystery to me.

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      • I meant to say above that something about her unreasoned selfishness appeared universally applicable to women. I can’t tell from your handle if you are a woman, tranny or what, but from what I can tell, you are EXACTLY right as to my ex-wife. That is exactly what happened.

        Now that the drama has passed, she isn’t the center of attention anymore. Now she’s just becoming a bitter and unhappy person. I’d say next up for her will be a series of desperate flings with men, reaching out for a new co-dependency. And although she is still very atttractive (30 but looks 24), I think her age, divorced status and two kids are going to be a lot to overcome in the dating market.

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      • on June 23, 2011 at 8:04 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

        I’m a woman.

        Is it universally applicable? It may be. We tend to think through the prism of our own lives and experiences. For any woman born after, say 1965, we were brought up from infants hearing all of this feminist propaganda. We were pushed to go to school, forgot or were simply never taught how to take care of a home, and taught sex was no big deal. A few women were lucky enough to see the light are living outside of this. But, it is not always an easy place to be. Other women hate you for it and, well, men simply don’t trust you. And from what I have read, I don’t blame the men for feeling this way.

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      • Never underestimate the pull of the you-go-girl,-you-don’t-need-him,-let’s-go-to-a-bar-on-girl’s-night-out-and-screw-some-hot-guys-there boosterism. Somehow, trashy divorced females peers with no taste have more influence than a woman’s home and family.

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      • Women will do this to undermine another woman they perceive to be happy. It is a way of dragging the escaping crabs back into the bucket. Women hate it when other women they compare themselves to are more successful. Pathological envy is a strongly negative female trait.

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      • Yes, women can be pathological. Not all their motivations are grounded in evolutionary biology. Often they are simply broken and have crossed wires and act at cross purposes with exactly their own aim.

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      • on June 23, 2011 at 8:59 pm My Name Is Jim

        Great job Jasmine.

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      • Thanks. And on the off chance anyone really cares, I will be going by Stingray now.

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  9. All of the above.

    Bye bye civilization.

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  10. @editor
    “Additionally, it can be argued that a sexual market which favors easy sex (for alpha males only) and a marriage market increasingly against men’s interests pushes women into the careerist mindset, because subconsciously they realize that the guarantee of a strong male provider that was once their birthright is now a sucker’s bet, and one they have convinced themselves they don’t even want. Women, sensing the change in the rules, have responded by storming the state college citadels to earn their communications and women’s studies degrees by the boatload.

    Of course, as I always remind the women reading here who complain about the change in the game…

    Ladies, you get the men you created.”

    A, ahem. Yes, current laws discourage men from marrying, at least
    in the English-speaking world. But not all of women signed on to this.

    This is the terror of democracy gone wild. In a just society, people could
    create whatever legal conditions for living together that they both
    agree to. But this does not work, courts will ignore private contracts
    to a very large extent. Democracy at work.

    As to “the men you created” , that’s abandoning responsibility.
    Maybe a better way of putting it would be “the men respond to
    the legislation you agitated for”. This is common, it’s like raising
    taxes and not expecting people to modify their behavior in response.

    Thor

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    • @Thor
      As to “the men you created” , that’s abandoning responsibility.
      Maybe a better way of putting it would be “the men respond to
      the legislation you agitated for”.

      Dead things are carried by the current, living things can swim against it.

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  11. on June 23, 2011 at 6:28 pm David Rockefeller

    I hate these topics. I don’t know why women seek careers but the reason is a lot more complicated than single-factor explanations would have you believe.

    How about because American middle-class life has gotten a lot riskier than it was 50 years ago? One salary — in the past it was hubby’s — can’t support a family any more. No one can count on staying at one employer over a long career.

    How about ease of divorce means moms teach their daughters never to rely on a man to support them?

    How about that even second-tier jobs typically held by wives require credentials? Just a HS diploma no longer cuts it unless you want to be a waitress or cashier.

    How about with men no longer feeling pressure to marry, more women realize they will never be wives/mothers and decide instead to start a hedge fund.

    In the end, the reason women today want careers when in decades they didn’t (or not as much) inevitably has to do with economics. But then I’m a non-Marxist historical materialist.

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    • seriously – this post is whack and ignores what is happening in the economy. How many women lottery winners quit their jobs?

      The number of women who work or want to work 14 hour days are not very high. Maybe in NYC – but in the rest of the country? And in WA DC the majority of women on the metro are chugging home at 5:00 and look pretty exhausted. The great majority of women (and most probably men) in the USA would be very happy to not take a paying job if somebody else would assure their financial future. Most new mothers want to stay home with their children but have to go back to work within a few months.

      But – very few men make enough money to make monthly payments on a mortgage in a good middle-class neighborhood in most states. Most woman have to bring in an income unless they have very young children. Women don’t want to work a shit job if they have to work.

      But if you tell most people that they are set for early retirement — if the average woman won the lottery — if you told women that they could stay home with their babies — the majority would quit their jobs in a second.

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      • My wife talks about a career a lot but doesn’t really have one and now that she hasn’t worked for a while, seems to like being home and openly says so. I call this housewife mode and women will slide into it quickly if economic circumstances allow it. Its also stubborn to break them of it once they get used to it. They always seem to like it too.

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      • My girl is between jobs and living with me now also. I’m enjoying softening her ambitious edges, and rounded out her feminine education.

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      • rounding out.

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      • David and Alex:

        I think if financial failure is what you want, its easy to find it by spending way beyond your means and living and working in stupid places that cost too much and pay too little. New York City is a little expensive? DC and Frisco too? Yeah, no shit.

        Bemoaning your fiscal circumstances and saying you don’t make enough without forcing your wife out in the workforce is very beta. What kind of loser can’t support the family he creates and heads? Men who don’t exercise their brains and take BS drone jobs? How many of these poor minimum wage janitors in Mississippi who scrimp and save a leave a surprise bequest of a couple million behind when they die do you need to hear about before you realize that any average guy should be able to do the same if he keeps a watch on his wallet and bank account and stops spending stupid money he doesn’t have?

        Any man can afford a house and wife and kids on pretty much any job provided he is level headed about his financial situation and works within his means to provide. It helps if he is smart enough to have go into a STEM profession instead of heading for aimless loserdom in college like many of these women with something useless like a History Degree.

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      • The other plus in a STEM field (besides the job security, higher wages, and the esteem you get as someone who can use math & computers) is that your coworkers are logical, straightforward, sensible, responsible people, by and large.
        In other words, they’re men.

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      • There are plenty of men who would be willing to pay all the bills so that a woman could stay at home.

        You know what women call those men? Sexists.

        Oh wait! It’s only sexist if you want your wife to stay home and take care of kids. If your wife is the one who wants to stay home and you agree then you are a “real man”.

        And for those men who do want to provide for a family many will opt not to. Why? Because no-fault divorce (demanded by feminists) gives anyone (usually the wife) the right to leave a marriage for no reason at all and take at least half the assets plus alimony, child support, maintenance, and whatever’s left of her husbands dignity and sense of purpose. It’s called “cashing out” of a marriage and while many men won’t admit it it’s one of the reasons they not only won’t be the sole provider but won’t even get married.

        Men see it every day, women shaming men for not being able to take care of their family or women leaving men because their husband works so hard that she feels neglected.

        The fact is these are merely excuses women use to justify their selfish actions. And most women are selfish, petty, spoiled, princesses, who think the world was put here to cater to their needs and the moment they hit a bump in the road they want to bail out and leave the men holding the bag for the failed marriage.

        Guess what? Working doesn’t make a woman sexy. It doesn’t make her a better wife or prepare her to be a better mother. It just takes up all her time until one day she’s on the wrong side of 30 and that nagging feeling starts to hit her that she HAS to have a baby. The only problem is she’s invested so much of her time and identity into a career that she is unattractive to most of the men in her age group and she is so socially awkward and or masculine that she either repels men or sabotages the relationship.

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    • @David

      All your reasons would explain why women would seek a career out of fear and no doubt some do, but they don’t explain the exuberance so many careerist women exhibit. I submit that the corporate world has transformed to the point that an office job now resembles domestic cooking and cleaning in a harem — and many women feel more comfortable and natural at that than actual cooking and cleaning in a beta provider household. The multi-tasking and constant chit-chat in the modern nest I mean office resembles traditional female work more than it resembles traditional male work.

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      • Is it not possible for a woman to like her job?

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      • The question is why have women in general become more career oriented than men in general. Look at current college enrollment rates to see that is a fact.

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      • It is not clear to me that that is a fact. An alternative explanation is that colleges simply give women more favorable treatment – that a male with a marginal SAT will be excluded, while a female with a marginal SAT will be included – that there are more women in college than men, because the cutoff is lower for women.

        I don’t have any data on SAT scores of people admitted, but the it is pretty obvious that the female subjects are the stupid subjects. Data on SAT would be more conclusive evidence.

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      • on June 24, 2011 at 12:58 pm My Name Is Jim

        My view is more women are in college because they worry about the debt less. Men look at college more as a financial decision, the future earnings must justify the cost. Women are the ones who believe those articles saying employers love liberal arts grads, they convince themselves that majoring in French and having a fuck-abroad semester means they have international experience and will get great jobs from it to pay back all the loans. And if that doesn’t work out, well some man will pay it, be it Daddy who cosigned the loan or husband or whoever. And of course they also are the ones to wax over all the ways liberal education makes you a better citizen etc. so in their mind it’s always worth the cost.

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    • the stagnation in wages started in the 70s, right around the time women started entering the workforce en masse. this is not coincidental

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      • Bingo. Women work to buy useless things for women, driving up prices and lowering wages.

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      • No, Feminism serves Capitalism. Capitalism is not some mythical “free market”, it has nothing to do with freedom. It’s about the most ruthless monkeys making themselves “the rich” – and EVERYONE else poor. That’s what Capitalism actually is, always has been, and always will be.

        Feminism served this by hiding the destruction of the middle-class via inflation (the dollar is worth 1/10 today what it was in 1970), by adding a second income-earner to the household. (ILLEGAL immigration serves Capitalism too, by providing a constant supply of cheap labor.)

        More than half of U.S. citizens were actually poor BEFORE the “recession” (U.S. economy hasn’t grown in real terms since 2000); because of the “financial crisis/recession”, that number is now 90%.

        The whole thing of “go to college, get a degree, get a good job with a respectable firm, get married, buy an SUV, buy a house, raise kids” is done; that world is already gone, and most people don’t realize it yet.

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    • 1. The loss of respect and wage for labour type jobs is also due to the industrialization of EastAsia starting with Japan. Then you get loads of women entering the worlkforce to keep up their lifestyle instead of tightening their belts, productive jobs shipped overseas replaced by shitty jobs, non productive, customer service/paper pushing jobs, which gets taken up mostly towards women, and then those new working women start living it up partying using their new found personal cash flow… leading to more loss of industrial productivity, increasing amounts of shitty jobs and increasing spending through debt in order to keep the party going. The financial situation is much worse today then in the 70’s, so i guess this is the price you pay as a society by making the wrong choices and sending women to work instead of tightening your wallet. I dont think it’s coincidental that massive number of women started entering workforce in usually male dominated areas right after the 60’s and femlib revolution. Other nations also go through economic hardtimes yet they haven’t yet gone through this problem (at least not of this magnitude, and some will have this problem like IMHO India’s educated class). Initially feiminism and “economic independence” has to be a big contributor if not the chief one in starting this phenomenon, and besides effecting change in the sex and marriage market, women in workforce has accelerated the change of focus, culture and direction of the economy and has lead to more investment and effort spent of non prducive, fruitless projects in all aspects of society. Money Talks

      2. Women also work in more traditional industrializing nations. Difference is their number one goal and focus is still the family, the jobs they hold are in most cases secondary to the hubby’s job, and given the chance they would quit their job to stay with their families. Now off course this doesnt apply to women in real high places or in elite circles.

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  12. Part of it is the economic floundering of men. Most men who exhibit masculine qualities are more suited to male oriented industries like heavy labor. But technological changes and immigration have devastated physical male laborers.

    You once talked about Blue Valentine and how the girl lost attraction to Dean. A big part of that was that Dean was likely only suitable for laborer work. In the 1950s that got him a stable job paying a living wage that could support a family. His wife respected him as a provider doing man’s work. In 2011 Dean can’t make much more then illegal immigrants and thus his wife sees him as “unambitious” because he can’t earn enough to support a family doing the same job that would have done so in 1950.

    Some girls are turning to careers because most of the attractive manly men aren’t getting the kind of jobs that support a family anymore, so they have to support themselves.

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    • Men whose ambition is only to be laborers need to live where there aren’t tons of illegal immigrants. Look at the census data for states lacking in large minority and immigrant populations who hold down wages where the cities are not outrageously expensive or totally economically depressed – Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Minnesota, Kansas, Utah, etc.

      You might also consider getting in with a successful large company with laborer needs like one of the railroads, a heavy construction outfit, or a big manufacturer like Caterpillar or Mack or John Deere that values stable hardworking men.

      Obviously you aren’t going to make it competing as a day laborer in high cost/low wage hellholes like California, New Jersey, or Florida.

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  13. I almost feel a little bit sorry for some of these women, they’ve been caught up in the feminist lie just as much as many men and are now paying the price for it as they approach middle and old age with an empty and hollow feeling and no way of turning back the clock.

    The victims of feminism are in every single demographic of society, while we chastise these women it’s important to remember that they’ve been fucked over too.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:16 pm DiamondEyes

      they had 20 years of adulthood to figure out feminism was a horrible lie, but chose instead to take its fruits and ignore the men who suffered. fuck ’em.

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      • Amen.

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      • Agreed, but taking into account women’s logic, and the promises that were made to them, is it any surprises that they went along with it? Hey I’m not justifying it, I think that looking at things from different perspectives is a good way of reinforcing what we know to be true.

        These women should be criticised, not demonised, for they are not the root of the problem. Only true feminazis and cultural marxists need demonisation.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:17 pm DiamondEyes

      ever try to point that out to a feminist who has been screwed over by her beliefs? she will lash out at you in a way that makes that sympathy evaporate. she will not ever admit that feminism is the problem – it’s men.

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  14. @Thor
    As to “the men you created” , that’s abandoning responsibility.
    Maybe a better way of putting it would be “the men respond to
    the legislation you agitated for”.

    Dead things are carried by the current, living things can swim against it.

    was her unapologetic devotion to placing her menial job (non-profit/under $50,000 salary) above her children and marriage.

    She was self-centered instead of marriage centered, that’s why the marriage failed. I had a checklist before I got married, if the woman didn’t tick all the boxes she was passed over. The idea behind the checklist was to see whether she would subordinate herself to the marriage. Taking on my surname for instance, was a non-negotiable. Any woman who wanted to “keep her identity” was a woman who didn’t understand what marriage was all about. When you get married its about family, not yourself.

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    • “Any woman who wanted to “keep her identity” was a woman who didn’t understand what marriage was all about.”

      Really? I didn’t have a problem with my wife keeping her surname. Sometimes it’s prudent to “choose your battles” and nomenclature has never been that important to me. My wife has just turned 40 and she’s all that I’d ever want her to be and fucks me better and better every day that goes by.

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  15. on June 23, 2011 at 7:01 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives.

    Sorry, this is wrong.

    [Editor: “Front and center” are the operative words. Women have a natural predilection to do something with their lives, but what we are seeing more of are these hybrid bitches who cravenly climb the corporate ladder and extol the corporate drone life beyond reasonable measure.]

    As the evolutionary psychologist Sarah Blaffer Hrdy has documented, higher status women in hunter gatherer societies will use their status to get lower status women to take care of their kids while they go off and get more resources, enabling them to feed even more kids.

    [Makes some sense. But then how to explain the fact that the immigrant laborers of high status women are having more kids than them?]

    The career woman has a long history in our species. It was one of many successful strategies our ancient foremothers used and, in the absence of birth control, had a genuine reproductive payoff. Of course, nowadays these women can have sex without having babies, which makes collecting their own status and resources a losing proposition in Darwinian terms, but the ancient urges are still there.

    [The careerist shrikes I’m talking about, with the balls and ambitions of men and the gung-ho attitudes of hedge funders, are extreme adaptations to a changing modern environment. They are relatively new on the scene, in the numbers we are seeing. I propose we are seeing this phenotype (genotype?) expressed more now because men have receded in their importance (and thus their sexual desirability) as providers.]

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  16. “Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.”

    This.

    It explains why women are growing more content with the corporate world as men grow less content with it. The nuclear family has been replaced by the corporate family. It’s a harem of its own and the alphas of the corporate world love it while the drone betas in cubicles hate it.

    If it weren’t for the sexual allure of the powerful men in the office all those *ambitious* women wouldn’t enjoy being there.

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  17. Penelope Trunk wrote a post where she claimed she developed a crush on every male boss she ever had:

    http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2009/08/06/workplace-situations-we-dont-talk-about/

    So now we know what drives the brazen careerist females.

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  18. Female careerism is not merely gender projection, though it is that. It is also a subconscious, hypergamous drive to get that alpha sperm, wherever it may be found, at any cost.

    This also explains why we observe careerist women in law and medicine, but not so much in software engineering and other low status fields. It is status — the social status a position might bestow upon a man — and not the financial security that is the factor in play here.

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  19. Women, sensing the change in the rules, have responded by storming the state college citadels to earn their communications and women’s studies degrees by the boatload.

    Yep. I also like your inclusion of the word ‘state’….signifying, ‘not private’.

    I will say I can understand a woman getting a bachelor’s degree. Beyond that and you’ve got a man with a vagina.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:48 pm My Name Is Jim

      Mine has a masters in library science, she’s not interested in much else. She will never make more than a third at most of what I do, a prescription for a long and happy relationship. I’ve got the best of both worlds, I support her career and still get to be leader. It’s great.

      Only, the feminists would point to our superficially equal educational level and will whine that I get paid more. I saw her coursework (and paid for her MLS) and believe me she didn’t do jack for hers compared with what I did (engineering).

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  20. My girlfriend is like this. She is in her early 20s and in grad school and she always focuses so much on the books it gets annoying. However, she does fuck like a champ, everyday, and asks for anal. SO it isn’t all bad, but sometimes I just wanna slap some sense into her and get her to quit worrying so much about school.

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    • Enjoy it while you can, because what you said tells me the relationship is doomed.

      One day, she won’t be a good fuck anymore, but she will still be a career twat.

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  21. Holy crap, this post hit the nail on the head.

    I just finished up my first year at a top business school and the girls are unbelievable. Out of the 80 or so girls in the class, you had a handful, maybe 10-15 who would make decent wives and of those 10-15, maybe 2/3rds were already in relationships or married. The rest of them were aggressive, unfeminine and had self-inflated views of their own status. Not bad looking women, but wow, very unflattering personalities. It seemed like most of them tried to adopt male-tendencies in order to get ahead with regard what that would do to their dating prospects.

    Needless to say, despite the fact the class is almost 70% men, most of these girls are still single.

    Mark

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    • Substitute girl/wife with guys/husbands and you could get an equally true statement: “Out of the 80 or so guys in the class, you had a handful, maybe 10-15 who would make decent husbands and of those 10-15, maybe 2/3rds were already in relationships or married.”

      Suitable partners are a rarity in either sex.

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      • I totally disagree with you. I bet that just about all the guys in the class who want to get married eventually do so. On the other hand, I bet that many of those women never get married or if they do, many of them wait too long to ever have children. A big problem with women at top graduate schools is that they have such massive egos and entitlement complexes that they think they deserve men who far more attractive than themselves. The men at a top business school might also have big egos, but they can still find a woman outside of their class who will appreciate and respect them, whereas few men are willing to tolerate a woman who has an enormous undeserved ego.

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      • That’s because Men are more willing to pick from the entire spectrum of women. They really don’t care how educated she is or what her job is. Just two things, does he think she’s hot? Does he like spending time with her? (while sober)

        Women won’t go for guys “beneath” them. Or even just younger than them. Really limits their options.

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  22. Master Dogen

    “Only when it’s too late do they realize what they did was in vain.”

    Many, many do not realize it even then. Instead they kick into a whole new gear of rationalization, and blame men, blame society, blame sexism, claim they never wanted a man anyway, claim they are happy drinking mimosas with their aged spinster friends and watching gay television shows.

    Realizing they have been wrong all along would imply these women are thoughtful, introspective people who often ponder whether they are making poor decisions or good ones. Even in the face of total failure, they usually aren’t able to develop this level of self-awareness — or any real empathy with the needs and desires of other people.

    Ahh, a man who understands women.

    A bitter sweet skill it is.

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  23. Maybe this post is just a commentary on all you sad psuedo alphas that are scared of vivacious, dynamic, and magnetic women who are successful. and shit like that.

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    • They are only successful while they have their looks and use their sex appeal to get ahead, either by the tease or by fucking their way to the top. When they hit the wall and blow up like a balloon, their shtick gets really old really fast, and they are often soon out on their ass in the street.

      No one wants to be around an ugly old hag at work. Looks do matter in the business world, its why tall handsome men make more than short ugly ones, and it applies doubly so to women.

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      • “They are only successful while they have their looks and use their sex appeal to get ahead, either by the tease or by fucking their way to the top. ”

        bullshit.

        I mean, sure, blow-job your way to the top does happen. of course it does.

        the other side of this is…. in my time ive seen more than my fair share of cubicle chubbies who are too far too fat to have gotten and held their job by anything other than actual competence at it.

        and i’ll be honest…. the workplace is probably the best place to put these women. the only men who will look at them now are aspies and lesser betas.
        and once they become old in addition to already being fat, even the fecal stenched homeless bum and the most beggingly desperate for someone to like them “i’ll take anyone, please, anyone” friendless omega will ignore these women once theyre even fatter than they are now and have wrinkles to boot.
        so these these women really should be on a career path: “excellent job, cindy”
        is the closest they will ever come to receiving any human affection or or arousal.

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  24. Askjoe

    they argue by ostracism

    Let that phrase enter the lexicon.

    I have a career minded girlfriend. It’s been a task to re-train her. Just getting her to give up her jeans and wear feminine dresses took 6 months. She picked out her own feminine purse today – a big improvement over the sports bag she used to lug around.

    And now when we shop she naturally lugs around the bags of goods, rather than expecting me to.

    You can train up masculine minded women.

    Mine happens to be worth it as she is 22 and a super hottie. And I saw other girls for most of our time together, which allows for more patience.

    It is a skill and a challenge to train women to do your bidding. I often tell my mate that I’m going to make a woman out of her, and give her little congratulations and encouragements when she does feminine things. I’m going to change her self perception.

    No more tom boy.

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  25. It occurs to me also why women like to have a degree of power in the workplace yet don’t usually aspire to be CEO’s: A woman in middle management simulates a family more fully: those she supervises are her imaginary children while the big boss above her is her imaginary lover. No need for an actual husband or children with all that surrogacy going on.

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  26. Jesus.

    We get jobs because between the age of leaving school at 18 and getting married around 28, we need something to do.

    So we might as well get an education. While we’re at it, we might as well do something we’re good at.

    In our early and mid 20s, boyfriends come and go, so yes, we do need something else to identify us rather than the unreliable men we may or may not settle down with.

    After we’re married, the additional income of both people working might come in handy too.

    So we’re not trying to betray or emasculate men. We’re just adapting to survive and finding something to occupy and support ourselves. That ok? Look on the bright side, with our own income, you don’t need to buy and the handbags, shoes and shit.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:35 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

      Vivi,

      Relax and take a step back. He is not talking about a woman getting a job simply to support herself. He specifically said “women who are excessively devoted to their careers”. There is a vast difference between the uber bitch career woman and what you are talking about.

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      • Well, if you have the intelligence to be a doctor or lawyer or another professional, why not do it? Do you have to settle for a mediocre job when you can achieve more.

        Just because you’re a white collar, does it make you less inclined to have a family and want to be a wife/mother?

        I don’t believe so.

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      • No, it does not make you less inclined to WANT to be a wife and a mother. Not at all. But, here is the thing. Being a wife and a mother is a full time job, no matter your level of intelligence. Women have to make a choice, like it or not, and then live with that choice for the rest of our lives. We don’t have to like it. There are lots of highly intelligent SAHM’s. Why feminist insist we are stupid is beyond me. We made a conscious decision and stand by it. If you make a decision to live by your career and then can’t find a man that wants to be with you, it’s fine. I think the problem comes when a woman then gets angry that no man wants her. There is no “fair” in the world of men and women. There simply is. Most men want a women who wants to take care of them and their family. It just simply is. It is up to the woman to decide what direction she wants her life to go in and then live with that decision.

        And just because a woman has high intelligence does not mean that she has to go into some field where this intelligence has to be proven. If you make the choice to be a wife and mother, you simply have to find another way to outlet that intelligence.

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      • It makes you a worse mother, or do you think daycare makes one a super duper mom by dumping those kids off.

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      • Are you asking me or Vivi?

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      • Relax, I am at top business school (top of the class as well) and I truly like driven girls. I do NOT want girls to be dependent on me – much less pay for their life (did that once, no need to do it again, I rather spend my money on toys – or safe it for really early retirement). That is way too much commitment….

        Or maybe you should be truly worried, because while I value LTRs, I am dead set against marriage and having children….

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    • I personally have no problem with women going to school and working. It is the zeal many display towards school, work… external validation…that is so off-putting. They aren’t just indifferent workers, they identify themselves with the job they do, even when the job is objectively unimportant. i’m not suggesting that all women are this way. But there is a sizeable percentage of them. Its more than just liking their job…sometimes you will even hear them say things about their job using emotional terminology (“this is my passion!” “this is who I am!”)

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      • I love my job. It’s important to myself and to society.

        But I also want a family and willing to work less hours when that happens.

        It’s not about the job status…it’s about compromise.

        Men have the thrill of a great job, women have experienced it too. We’re only human.

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      • I learned from my mentor when I was 16 that you only have the power to compromise when you still have some power.

        The minute you lose all power, your ability to compromise is lost.

        Women have great power in their teens and no desire to compromise, typically. As the age counter clicks, the power is quickly lost, and the ability to compromise is destroyed.

        If a woman wants a family, she’ll chase it when she has the power, which comes from SMV and DMV. When her SMV falls, and her DMV is too low, it’s typically too late to actually land a man who can secure the future for that family, meaning the woman HAS to work because the family will need that breadwinner, too.

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    • “In our early and mid 20s, boyfriends come and go, so yes, we do need something else to identify us rather than the unreliable men we may or may not settle down with.”

      Why do your boyfriends “come and go” in your early and mid 20s but you are able to find presumably “reliable” men around the age of 28?

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      • Well my early 20s were for dating, having fun and figuring things out.

        Now I’m 24 and husband hunting for a reliable man.

        So I put 28 as an arbritrary age to get married with the reliable man.

        In the meantime, I’m also in a profession.

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      • If you really are 24 and are half way sentinent and just moderately good looking, and mostly free of debt you could be actually married within 18 months, tops. No need to wait another 4 years.

        There are plenty of guys out there, and most of them want a sub-25 y.o. girl to marry right now if possible.

        Your long time frame makes me think you haven’t figured this all out yet, because you are just damaging yourself and your own future prospects.

        The more test drives you take, the less likely its going to last IF you do decide to finally settle down.

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      • I think the problem has *always* been the woman’s sense that she has to leave the party early to pull off a good marriage. My mother played it just right but felt she was missing out, so divorced 11 years later. Much too late and it was a long downhill slide after that. And this is before the modern feminist era.

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      • “Why do your boyfriends “come and go” in your early and mid 20s but you are able to find presumably “reliable” men around the age of 28?”

        My female friends in their late 20’s / early 30’s are getting engaged left and right. They didn’t get married younger because the relationships they had in their early / mid 20’s ended before the guy proposed. Median age of first marriage currently I believe is 26 for females, 28 for males. So my social group is mostly above the median, but not exactly outliers.

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    • Wow, what a plan! You can ride the alpha cock carousel for fourteen whole years from age 14 to age 28, and then marry some poor beta schmuck.

      The good news for you is that there are enough beta schmucks out there that one will marry you if you’re not an obese wreck.

      The bad news is that you’ll never be happy. Having ridden the alpha carousel for so long, the taste of beta will grow increasingly bitter. Even when you divorce your poor beta after five or six years and take his income stream in divorce court you won’t be happy. At age 35 you won’t be able to pull the alpha you used to even for flings.

      However, this is seriously great news for the cat world. If you keep an average of four cats at a time starting at age 35, live to age 85, and the cats live an average of ten years, then your life path will safe twenty cats from being euthanized. Vivi, do it for the kitties! For the little fluffy kitties!!!!!

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    • I see. Between 20 and 28, boyfriends come and go, but at 28, you are going to settle down.

      I have news for you.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 8:07 am Throbbing Gristle

      Doesn’t it seem like a crippling waste of resources to ‘educate’ someone for verging on ten years beyond the school leaving age if they are only going to work until something turns up?

      I work in a field that requires four years of training, usually paid for (indirectly) by the state; what few women pass this way rarely last even that long.

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      • Agreed. And its much worse in Europe, where the state basically pays for almost all education. Be it undergrad or even grad school (with the one exception of b school, go figure. Luckily I found someone else to pick up that bill, hehe).

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      • Malinvestment of resources, certainly.

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    • Crock of shit.

      Women who truly want marriage will get it by 25, 27 at the LATEST. If they seal it at a younger age, with a man who also wants marriage but has alpha traits, the marriage will probably last — inverse correlated to how far from a metropolis the couple lives.

      A woman who is past 25 is likely riding the cock carousel to some degree: keeping shlub around until better schlub comes into her life. Then she “upgrades” (like selling a 1986 Yugo and buying a 1989 Ford Tempo). Eventually she either settles because she can feel her market value decline (divorce likely) or she ends up in her 30s wondering where all the good men have gone (typically out loud).

      Women who want to survive have that survival instinct built in. They have it when they’re 16. Women who want to dominate have that instinct built in, and take much riskier moves like climbing on the cock carousel thinking their market value will never decrease.

      I live in a major metropolis (Chicago) but my favorite ladies all live in ex-urban areas. It’s not curious at all that the ones I date in the big cities are all part of the dominating group, and the ones I date in the smaller villages are all part of the survival group.

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      • Except if they bump into the likes of me – no problem with LTR. But I wont get married much less have kids.

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    • Why are you waiting until 28 and your looks have mostly faded to get married? Couldn’t you snag a better man by marrying while you are still young and hot?

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      • Christ. I put 28 as an arbitrary age, it’s typically when most get married.

        I’m not saying I will only want to marry at 28 and not a minute younger.

        I’m open to meeting the right guy now, at 24, so yes, could be any day.

        Will you guys stop with the pedantic drivel.

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 9:59 pm Douche Bigelow

        What he was trying to tell you, precious, is that you are about to get really ugly.

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  27. used to date a girl who worked in an investment bank, liked her a lot before she starting working there… encouraged her to apply for jobs at the big banks when she was a lowly assistant at a small bank, she was pretty cute/funny/sweet those days. no surprises that not long after she landed a job in a big bank on big bucks, everything changed. everything was either ‘work hard play hard’ or hysteric crying and bitching after her alpha bosses took a shining to her (more feminine) colleagues than her.

    if I’d have known about this site before i’d dated her, my head would have undergone a lot less WTFery

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  28. When you get married its about family, not yourself.

    I have live ins, I don’t marry, but I’d take that sentiment and rework it.

    When you get married its about the head of the family, not the girl.

    Let’s just go ahead and call a spade. No need to tip toe around it.

    Just as the mafia family is about Don Corleone, the family is about the man.

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    • on June 23, 2011 at 8:26 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

      No, it’s not. A family is about man and the wife as a couple. The man needs to lead the family, but unless the focus is about maintaining the man/wife relationship the family will fall apart and the marriage will fail.

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      • No it wont. If the woman focuses on the man, selflessly, all will go smoothly.

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      • on June 23, 2011 at 8:38 pm Jasmine changing to Stingray

        Obviously, but if he doesn’t return the focus, it will not go smoothly. I agree that a marriage like this may not be as likely to end in divorce, but it will not be a happy and productive one. It can’t just be a one way street.

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      • Says who, and why not?

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      • I have to say I’m with Jasmine the Stingray on this one. I agree with the woman’s role as being submissive to the man, but she’s still 50% of the equation. And tasks in a family have to be delegated such that she will have to manage certain things and have the final say over certain things. Its not gender politics, its just that shit has to get done in a family.

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      • The man is typically head of the family and the woman head of the house, correct? (Traditionally speaking) If the women gets little to no focus/love/admiration she will not be able to run the house, nor will she be as capable as caring for the man/family/house as she would otherwise. If a man simply wants complete, unselfish devotion to himself without returning it, he may as well pay a servant and a nanny after he pays a surrogate to birth his children.

        Says who? Good grief, I have no names, but do you really think that in traditionally happy marriages the man gave no selfless focus to his wife?

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      • Anonymous:

        Traditional women don’t want the final say in anything. They want you to guide them in making wise choices for the family, which means they always are asking questions looking for your wisdom and advice in deciding things and settling problems. Having the final say means real responsibility, because the woman has to take ownership if the decision blows up or it turns out to be against the wishes of her husband. Women DO NOT want responsibility like that because they value harmony. They want a man to take their hand and lead them and protect them from all consequences.

        A family cannot have two heads.

        This is also why women should not have any control over family finances. Women should have a little money to spend on themselves, the kids, or friends, and should ask permission about any contemplated purchase of any significance (say over $100 nowadays). Too many women have no concept of how the magic plastic money gets paid for in the end. That’s why it is always a woman in the sob story in the newspaper with $75K in college debt 15 years out of school, and $25K racked up on the credit card, her car repossessed, no house, no retirement savings, and some dead-end $27K per year job at a non-profit or nursery school.

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      • Women dote. Men manage.

        Women dote selflessly. Men manage with their own best interests at heart.

        A good manager of course knows how to motivate.

        Consider your favorite substitute teacher. That is the exact example of how a man should behave in a marriage. In charge, commanding respect and obedience, and he makes you laugh.

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      • “Men manage with their own best interests at heart.”

        Here’s the thing about this statement. A man dates with his own self interests at heart. The woman falls in love with the man, in a large part, due to the fact that she admires his self interests. When they marry, the man then manages with the family’s self interest (which are his original self interests) at heart. But, this management should be equally as selfless as the wife’s. This would be shown in a large part by the motivation that you spoke of. And, no I am not talking about jewelry and that type of crap. But showing love and appreciation. And yes, laughing is huge!

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      • …But, this management should be equally as selfless as the wife’s.

        This attitude will lead you to measure his interest in you against your interest in him. It will cause you to leave him when he fucks other girls. It will cause the dissolution of your marriage.

        Just be a good puppy dog. Stop worrying and learn to love the bomb.

        Don’t make it so complicated.

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      • “This attitude will lead you to measure his interest in you against your interest in him. It will cause you to leave him when he fucks other girls. It will cause the dissolution of your marriage.

        Just be a good puppy dog. Stop worrying and learn to love the bomb.

        Don’t make it so complicated.”

        It’s not really, but ok. I’m finished. Enjoy what you’ve got and I hope it brings you happiness.

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      • It does bring me happiness. I wake up every day and am glad, and several times throughout each day I feel grateful and happy to be alive. Life is good.

        I paint such a stark, cold, bleak picture in the hopes of offering a bitter antidote to womens attitudes. Women quite naturally want it all. But their greed counter-intuitively brings them pain.

        They need to learn to settle for less. To know their place and to stop reaching.

        To be a good puppy dog.

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      • it would seem to me that if you’re seeing other women, any live-in with half a brain would figure that you’re not that into her and leave. what am i missing?

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      • Why would a live-in girlfriend leave if her man is seeing other women?

        A man with options is an attractive feature to women. Personally, I don’t live with women, but on the 2 times I did (outside of my monogamous marriage), the women had no problem with me going out with other women. Hell, it turned them on more that I had options. Challenged them, made them work harder.

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      • You’re missing the fact that the man may ALSO be really into the live in.

        It’s just brinksmanship to claim that an impossibility. Women do brinksmanship, and women believe in their own brinksmanship. Doesn’t mean any of it is real.

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      • Learn to fetch. It will bring you as much satisfaction as it does a well trained dog who is happy in his place.

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      • Ok then. Nice, thought out response.

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      • Family is about bambinos, of course.

        You might obey Don Corleone, but any Italian would tell you the purpose of family is the next generation. You sacrifice yourself for that generation if need be. If you fail your children — that is your biggest failure.

        You can’t trust anybody but family and without family you’re nobody.

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      • Don Corleone forbid his own family members, on threat of death, to go against the wishes of “the family”.

        “The family” was a euphemism for “Don Corleone”.

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      • Family is much more then one person. Family are your uncles, your aunts, your grandparents, your cousins. But the most important and the most treasured are the babies, of course. Sure you obey Corleone, but the Don can and will eventually be replaced.

        In any case, you really shouldn’t valorize the ‘Ndragheta. But even with them, the bambinos are the most important.

        We are not lions, we are La Famiglia. But if you’re not Italian, don’t worry about it.

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      • Its the old school Roman Paterfamilias code law practiced through tradition.

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      • You might be surprised to learn of how lions treat their notion of paternal investment. They will eat their own cubs in times of famine, because parents can always pump out new kids. The adults are the more valuable resource to be protected.

        I was shocked to learn of it. The very idea! That adults, with years and hundreds of thousands of dollars of social investment poured into them, are worth more than children.

        Family is centered around the man. Without him, no one eats.

        And if it is some other way, there is no family.

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      • Not surprised at all. I am thinking you and I might be saying the same thing we are just having a hard time getting there. The focus has to be on the adults or the children cannot survive. (It’s a big reason a lot of marriages fail when children come along. The couple no longer focuses on each other.) You have said two different things, though.

        1. “When you get married its about the head of the family, not the girl.”
        2. “Family is centered around the man.”

        Marriage and family are not the same thing. Yes, the family does center around the man, but the marriage is about both the man and woman. Each give 100%. Him to their (now) shared best interests and her to taking care of him. As she is now necessary in helping to meet those self interests some focus needs to be placed on her to keep her going in her job.

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      • yeah – I’ve known about this for years. It’s not just lions who will eat their young.

        And in some species the female chases the male away to protect her infant. I believe this happens with many of the large cats.

        (btw – the lioness hunts for the pride.) But, again, although cats are cool, we’re not cats.

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      • I’m having a hard time explaining this — it’s not just that the babies are the most important part of a family — it’s that without babies the family dies. That’s why they come first. There is no family without babies, because the family will live on in that baby.

        Have you ever seen an Italian male with his grandchild? Then you’ll understand.

        Just a man and a woman aren’t enough to qualify as a family. They can be part of a family.

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      • Alex,

        If you put the children exclusively first, the marriage will falter and begin to fall apart. Especially, after the children leave home. If the husband and wife learn to keep the marriage first, caring for the children will be a natural extension of that. Without a sound marriage there can be no family, babies or not. And I am part italian. Family is everything. (Food, of course, being a close second.)

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      • on June 24, 2011 at 8:15 am namae nanka

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  29. Roissy,

    While I do agree with the assessment, the basis is purely psychological. Economic factors I believe need to be taken into account…..

    Right now death rates in Western countries have dramatically decreased and the standard of living compared with most countries is much better. There is also more wealth to go around (granted this amount is decreasing to a point where China and India will be outsourcing to the US in 20 years) and consumption is quite high. This makes children a luxury and not a necessity. In this instance, women are not as focused on developing their feminine and motherly qualities quite simply because there is no real need to. Hence, the focus on careerism.

    Compare this to poorer countries and as we all in the community know, their women are much more “womanly” quite simply because they need to be. Children in those countries are actually capital (at least the male babies) that need proper raising in order to build wealth for the immediate family. Women do not have the economic foundation to go to school and focus on a career like western women. They have a more important duty….

    I’m willing to bet in a good century though, western women will get back to normal….

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    • To populate is to govern.

      Those who think children a luxury will soon find themselves ruled by a new people who think otherwise.

      Wealth is not “spread around”, it’s created by the growth of population from the creation of children. Fewer children means an excess of durable goods and investment instructments, which means they plummet in value from slackening demand. Why should a kid who is an only grandchild and only chil pay for a diamond engagement ring when he can pick from those worn by his grandmothers because he is a sole heir? No point in building new houses when a kid who is an only grandchild stands to inherit two or more of them. No point in building and expanding college campuses or elementary schools when the number of children is falling.

      If the only growth industry is the funeral parlor and graveyard business, the country is not going to be growing wealthy.

      China has been aborting its future away for 30+ years. It will never match the US with our continued fertility.

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  30. While the phenomenon you describe is true for some women, I think you misunderstand the reasons for a strong interest in education/career for most.

    As far as education goes, an educated woman makes a much better mother and wife (measured by the success of her children, the health of the family, and her husband’s income). The best wife/mother is probably an educated (college degree+) SAHM: which is the kind most men with options pick. Also, most quality men are educated and thus only want an educated wife (so that they can have productive conversations with her). So getting educated is an important first step in a “feminine” career too.

    Also, in terms of finding a quality mate (a time-limited endeavor for most women), to do this you need to hang out in the right circles (since proximity is the most important factor in getting a mate). Most of the wealthy/successful men I know met their wives/girlfriends at school (college or up) or work. Being a “career woman” (who is probably going to quit once married/with children) or student at a prestigious school (getting an MBA/law degree etc) is a good marriage/relationship move.

    25% of college educated women with children are SAHMs, and it’s way higher for those with better qualifications (something like 2/3 of female Harvard MBAs aren’t working full time). Most working women only work because their husbands can’t afford to support the family singly.

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    • These are all valid points. i don’t think all, or even most, college-educated women are like the type we are describing. But the group we are describing is a growing and vocal one. I’m also not putting down working women as a group. I’m describing a particular personality type that latches on to work, school, external validation as the source of her identity and “passion” for life, to the detriment of her relationships and family.

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    • Agree entirely. In the past women like this went to finishing schools where the goal of education was to be a good wife.

      Your best bet though is to get a non demanding job within an alpha organization, maximizing the time you have to socialize with alpha’s.

      For women below a 7 being a teacher is a nice feminine position a man would look highly on. Higher beta married to college graduate elementary school teacher is a pretty common pairing.

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      • davver:

        A woman who is a 7 or up and is an elementary teacher is an even better catch – no need to settle for a 6 teacher when there are 8’s, which there most certainly are up to around when they hit 25-30 and get married off to those who take them.

        It shows an interest and desire in being around kids, at least some brains and responsibility required to get the education degree and hold a job, and a caring maternal instinct. She would also need to restrain her sexuallity at work since she is around 7 year olds all day, so she will be naturally demure in the world and looking to let loose at home. Plus its not like she is making so much money the job would be hard to give up for a husband and family, and its a job she can always go back to once the kids are older after she marries. Its almost enough to add another point to her number.

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      • Sure, but how many hot teachers do you see? Maybe a 7 sometimes. 8+ almost always get other kinds of work, to be more specific 8+ don’t have to work at all because they are hot enough to get things for free or “work” at a job where they just flirt all day (see pharma sales rep, model, professional girlfriend).

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      • davver:

        Not many, because they quickly exit the market and become SAHM’s. You do know about the number of teachers who only teach for a few years before leaving the profession, right?

        But 7-8 teachers do exist because I have seen and met them.

        I agree on 9’s and 10’s being hot enough to do other things.

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      • Unfortunately too many teachers are still American women when it comes to their personality. And when they participate in a system that is misandrist one has to wonder if that doesn’t rub off on how they will deal with sons.

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  31. Female careerism is merely a symptom of the female lemming instinct.

    They simply have very little ability to think independently. Whatever “society” says to do through T.V., Movies, and advertising – they go ahead and do.

    The cannot differentiate fantasy from reality – not in the way men can.

    Whatever the voice of authority (T.v., media. girlfriends) says is their gospel.

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  32. @ Grace –

    Do you think we’ll see a marked drop in SAHMs? I don’t see how any man, triply so for “Harvard educated”, would be fine with supporting a non-income earning spouse (AKA: alimony liability).

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    • You will see a return of SAHMs because so many companies and government agencies will have to cut dead weight in this economy.

      You are starting to see these cuts in many states. Men have already taken it on the chin (manufacture, construction) but the laws of reality will soon drop a huge bucket of truth on human resources and red tape handlers (women).

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    • It’s a chicken and egg situation.

      As more women entered the market, the supply of labor went up, creating a drop in value for all existing labor. It’s inflation of capital, and all inflation causes a decrease in value.

      As women fall out of the labor force, the existing capital of labor (men) will gain value because there will be a smaller supply.

      In all relationships, supply and demand is key. Don’t ignore it, or you’ll pay the price.

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  33. on June 23, 2011 at 9:43 pm Uncle Elmer

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    Though men shank me and insult me, only men provide me with opportunity. Women can only insult me and deprive me of opportunity. Only men, and only a small fraction of them, take the risks that create industry and opportunity. These men are job “sources”, whereas almost all women are job “sinks”. Virtually no female is a job source. Women can only serve as mere functionaries in man-created structures. When such an organization becomes feminized, priority shifts from efficient and profitable production of goods and services to development of labarynthine rules for the comfort and security of women. It morphs from capitalist enterprise to attempted socialist utopia. Ossification and organizational death are inevitable.

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    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/06/16/employment-game-part-ii-recognizing-the-need-to-change-your-approach/

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  34. Sidrwinder, did things ever go forward with the church girl?

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  35. “Are Female Careerism A Form Of Infidelity?”

    Any person, place , or thing that CONSUMES the individual and takes him/her away from the core emotional/intimate connectedness of marriage IS infidelity.

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    • Oh give me a break.

      A job is necessary so a woman doesn’t go crazy picking up after his dirty socks day in and day out. Having a job doesn’t compromise a woman as a wife or mother.

      Let’s imprison you in the home and see if you don’t go crazy.

      You have your affairs.

      Let just have our jobs.

      [Editor: “Imprison”? Oh you’re such a fucking martyr. The simplest explanation is usually the true one. Because of cultural conditions at the time, women in the 1950s PREFERRED the life of a comfortable suburban housewife. It had nothing to do with being “held back”.]

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      • Vivi,

        Good grief. You are going to end up going the road of so many unhappy career driven single 40 year old women. You have a serious decision to make. You can choose a career and work 12-14 hours a day. No one here is saying not to. What they are saying is be happy with your choice. That choice most likely includes that fact that you may never find a man who will want to marry you. You probably read about this woman:

        http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/06/19/an-alpha-male-and-his-women/

        It is what it is, whether you like the choices or not. Step back from the men here and all the feminist stuff you have ever heard in your life. There is one person who has to make the decision and it is you. Drive out all the crap you have heard and make a decision. You may not like the choices, but they are yours to do with what you will. Career or good wife and mother. Yes, some have both, but they still have lots of problems, often with their marriage. SAHM traditionally have better marriages and more stable children. Your life, your choice.

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      • Yes I’ve been thinking about it.

        That’s why I’m going to choose a field of medicine which doesn’t have long hours like ER. Better to choose dermatology or family practice.

        That way, when I have kids, I can spend more time with them and work part time.

        BUT there will be a part of me that longs to be back in the ER, because I enjoyed it and I was good at it.

        However, I am sure when children come, they will take priority, which is why I’ve made this decision despite it not being my interest now.

        I hope that men can understand that women enjoy work as much as they do. When you’re suddenly expected to stay at home full time, it can be quite a change and loss of identity.

        Working part time seems like the best solution.

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      • There you go, and of course there will be part of you that longs to do something else. Don’t you think it might be the same way for your husband? You are not the only person that will be giving things up when kids come along. I think that this is a huge trap feminist fall into. Men do not have the be all, end all in the marriage. They end up doing a whole lot of crap they don’t want to do and give up a whole lot of stuff they do want to do. You make it sound as though all these men are out there going to work, loving every single minute of it and singing “nah, nah, nah, nah,” the whole way there. That’s BS. Most go into thankless jobs that they cannot quit without their family going hungry and then losing their house. Marriage is a two way street and you will both be giving stuff up. Here’s the thing, you gain a whole lot more than you give up.

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      • I hope you understand BEFORE YOU HAVE CHILDREN that being a SAHW&M is the single most work you will ever do, if you are even capable of it, many women aren’t because many women aren’t capable of working independently. Your idea that being at home caring for a husband is equivalent to being imprisoned does NOT bode well for your ability to care for your family. Home is not prison. Instinct tells you what to do it doesn’t tell you how.

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      • IMPRISON.

        I told you guys that she is a lost cause when she first appeared here. But did you listen? Noooo…

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 10:10 pm Douche Bigelow

        stupid MEN, foisting an era of plenty upon us! we’ll show you, fuckers!

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  36. I wonder why Roissy (unlike “game” critic Half Sigma) never provides any empirical evidence to justify his intuitions? I’m not saying that all of his insights are off-base, but they’d be a lot more credible and meaningful if he attempted to verify them every once in awhile.

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    • There is a vested interested in those that conduct said research to propigate the lies. Think about that guy who got fired for showing that black women are objectively uglier than other racial groups.

      This also explains things like man made climate change (hoax), gender pay gap (myth), and rape is about control not sex (myth) that get repeated as fact.

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    • I don’t think Roissy needs to, specifically, because of gut instinct.

      Women have gut instinct that comes from their inner brain (hamsters), harvested through emotional, illogical substance.

      Men have gut instinct that comes from our logical side (financial). We understand the economics of a given situation better.

      Apply ALL of Roissy’s opinions from an economic perspective (supply and demand ONLY) and you will see that when he pegs that perspective properly, he’s right, and when he pegs it incorrectly, he’s wrong.

      If you don’t understand and accept these economic perspectives, you will never understand Game. The only way to understand them is to debate them with yourself — and ask questions here when you’re lost.

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    • What is the matrix?

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  37. “Women also think they can be men or rather tell themselves they’re better and more productive than men by pursuing their “careers”. ”

    and never forget the historical struggle that they had to overcome in order to do so.

    http://finndistan.blogspot.com/2011/06/smelly-media-lady-doc-we-love-thee.html

    “Most working women only work because their husbands can’t afford to support the family singly.”

    No.
    Most working-class women had to work because their husbands couldn’t afford to support the family singly.

    The middle-class poured into the jobs because of their own vanity, others will say the capitalist conspiracy. But the power struggle between women who want to impose their will on all of women, and hence society is present everywhere.

    http://www.profam.org/pub/fia/fia.2104.htm

    “The nation’s conservative women, led by activist Phyllis Schlafly, defeated the ERA by arguing that it degraded the position of the housewife, and made young women susceptible to the military draft.”

    Most working women only work because they can’t do anything else, and if they wanted to, the collective women zog around them will make them look like losers/traitors. And how many housewives are on the TV?

    “How about because American middle-class life has gotten a lot riskier than it was 50 years ago? One salary — in the past it was hubby’s — can’t support a family any more. ”

    The question is why?

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    • Supply and demand. Now that the labor pool is larger, and women are willing to work for less (they don’t negotiate higher wages like men do because of lower testosterone), wages have shrunk.

      More people competeing for fewer low skilled jobs = lower real wages. Have the Fed subsidize college and housing, toss in border jumpers doing hard contruction labor for less than minimum wage, and you get the mess we are in.

      If the west actually let the failures fail, the poor and stupid die off for being poor and stupid – we’d start to see the market settle and people able to get by on a normal job that will support a family. The post WW2 worker utopia will never return though, unless we decide to bomb other industrial nations and force them to buy our goods.

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      • QFT.

        Everything I do has rational economic balance. I don’t enter markets where there isn’t a profit to be made. I don’t do business with people who don’t have the power to refer me to other people. I don’t date women who have an overabundance of men similar to me in their lives. I don’t go out for dinner when there’s a wait even with a reservation.

        Universal suffrage has fucked us as a society, and “equal” rights has ignored the realities that every individual is different and should be treated differently.

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    • corporate greed. (some might say the greed of consumers,but it really is impossible to maintain a decent standard of living w/o 2 incomes for most families.)

      Those traitors yes TRAITORS who outsourced so many jobs to virtual slaves in china and allowed our country to be overrun by desperate latinos.

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  38. On topic, I agree that it’s sad to see women losing their most valuable sex years in universities or offices. That said, I don’t find any opposition between a career and a relationship and women should practice both at the same time.

    “The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”

    Ah, c’mon, you made yourself that point in the “Men work longer hours for the wives they wish they had” post. What is the purpose of denying even the reasonable objections to women? It could be understandable if it were a public debate against a Jezebel obstinate cunt, but can we be a little more grounded in a men’s blog? I’m mexican, and maybe I need to move to the US, marry and get divorce raped to understand why americans are so damn mad at their women but the thing is, I’m fed up with mexican traditions praising marriage and favoring frigid, unfeminine, near asexual starch bomb wives with nothing but Christian babble on their heads so I’m naturally attracted to the idea of better educated, proud, self-thinking and sexually liberated women. It has been nice to learn that this has a dark side but watching commenters longing for a return to a scenario pretty close to the one I’m running from is depressing.

    It looks like a big portion of the MRA / manosphere really imagines the future feminism fix as a 50s TV commercial where the husband returns to home suitcase in hand while the pregnant wife compliments him about how fabulous the recently bought vacuum cleaner is while still doing the dishes and just having sent the 7 children to sleep. Needless to say, it is like pushing the toothpaste back in the tube: the pill is here to stay, the increasing population won’t make easy to put women back to breeding like rabbits and household is automatized enough for women to employ the entire day on it. I really liked the proposition of temporal marriage contracts and the like, but it seems that none wants to discuss something different than a return to the past. Isn’t it possible to break feminism without going backwards?

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    • Sounds like my life … beautiful and very domestic SAHM, 5 kids, no birth control.

      Its not going back to the 50’s. Its progressing beyond feminism.

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      • on June 24, 2011 at 10:15 am Catholic Girl

        Andrew is right. Hey Anonymous do you know that past does not always equal traditional conservative? What about the Enlightment, the French Revolution and the 1960’s? They all happened from the 17th to the 20th century. Should we progress beyong these “old liberal ideals”? They are all so old and outdated man!

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      • Sometimes society has to work its way through a lot of stupidity and ignorance to figure out what are the key things of importance.

        School of hard knocks works though, because mating and reproduction are ruthless. If you fail to figure out male-female relationships early on, and what works and what doesn’t, your line dies off forever. That happened to my mom’s side of the family – all infested with feminism, small family size, and other nonsense and now they have no one to carry on the family name and legacy as they sit around on their lonesome aging asses bitching about the past and life. I am the only one left related to that side with kids and I strongly take after my dad.

        Honestly, that is probably the best thing about all the libtard women aborting their children and using birth control and late marriage to prevent their own reproduction. In the end, society does not require the existence of such people, and their genetic self-destruction is a welcome relief from having to endure their continued presence in future generations. Call it a chlorine application to the gene pool.

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      • I went to see “X men first class” – set in 1962 – with Jennifer Lawrence and Rose Byrne in those tiny mini-skirts, and I thought “Ahhh, what a nice time that would have been to be a young man.” After the liberation from the stuffiness of the 50’s, but before Feminism morphed from “human rights for women” into “vicious assault on healthy heterosexuality.”

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    • Totally on the mark. Wistfully looking backwards is just not going to bring some ideal back, and if you look closely, the past arrangement wasn’t very good for men, either.

      I’m divorced, have my kids about 40% of the time after ~$250 K in legal fees.

      I’m not running back to the plantation – will likely remain unmarried until I die, but that’s the middle ground that is evolving in light of the current social and legal climate.

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    • I think all you have to do is remove the artificial political,legal, and economical supports for feminism and the ship will right itself. Also remember, the 50s have to be put into context. The people who lived them had mostly just been through the depression and WWII. Our standard of living was still with one foot in the 19th century, especially for rural America. The nation’s eroded industrial capacity from the 30s had been revitalized and the world needed to be rebuilt. America was the only nation with enough capital remaining to even attempt this. People wanted peace and quiet, stability and prosperity. People still fucked, smoked dope, had affairs, premarital sex etc. too. It was just not celebrated nor as prevalent as today. I think you can have a hybrid of this, much as in Europe, when it functions well. In truth, a little work is good for women too. They can make some extra money, get out of the house a bit and interact and contribute to society, marry and have a happy life with a couple of children. That to me would be ideal. I think what angers most of us is the skewed playing field that has been created and the resultant deliberate down playing of mens’ roles in society. The deliberate selling of bad ideas as the key to Utopia. I think what many of us here secretly want is the happy family with the white picket fence. People back then had different expectations in life. What you describe above made most people happy. The life in a goIden cage is largely a myth. Some, no doubt felt this way, but it wasn’t the majority. I think the 50s was in many ways our idealized natural state. A happy marriage is a good thing and whether we like it or not, the bedrock of society. Otherwise, we’ll have to transition to raising children from incubators in state orphanages while the adults screw all the time as in Brave New World. Now we all want to live like Hugh Hefner.

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      • “Otherwise, we’ll have to transition to raising children from incubators in state orphanages while the adults screw all the time as in Brave New World.”

        This does not sound like a bad thing to me.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 10:10 am Catholic Girl

      You say you’re a mexican but you talk like an American white liberal. Nobody is saying “1950’s” here. Only liberals are obsessed with that time period. Sorry pal but the toothpaste can be placed back in the tube. If you want to be a male slut and a player fine. Let’s cut the country in half where you get your world and I get mine. There everybody is happy. I’m being totally serious.

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  39. Female Careerism = Beta Oneitis
    Sluts = Betas
    Focusing on careers for a fling with the Alpha CEO = Beta focusing on being nice to get girls

    Women who subvert their roles as women = Men who subvert their roles as men

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    • Brilliant insight.

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    • But aren’t Alphas sleeping with sluts?

      Surely there isn’t an endless supply of submissive virgins.

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      • on June 27, 2011 at 4:02 pm Woman from Finland

        Yes, the Alphas are screwing the sluts (for sex). Just like betas are being screwed (for the money). Both the sluts and the betas are giving away their most valuable asset without getting enough in return. Neither of them gets what they seek – being loved – and usually they both just end up being used and then thrown away in contempt by those in whom they have emotionally invested.

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  40. on June 23, 2011 at 11:13 pm A Nanny Moose

    Glenn Reynolds hath summoned you, Dark Lord:

    http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/122966/

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  41. You are half right R, the primary reason women enter the workforce is to snag the alpha and get the successful career and ideal family life they were brainwashed to achieve by the modern media. Also they need money to pay the maid to take care of the baby, while they attend social function and run their fundraiser.

    This concept is similar to the notion that men go to college for an education, while the women are husband shopping and any women graduating without a boyfriend or fiance is a failure in the eyes of other women. Also college educated men are more likely to marry similarly educated women according to Harvard Research Institute.

    Its terrifying to meet cold business women who are going to pay $100 k for high quality doctor sperm, because they rather have money and power over traditional family life.

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    • True in some cases. Although in my experience that’s not usually true for the very smart and at the same time hot girls (the only category I am interested these days – they exist, they are sadly just exceedingly rare). They are in it for the heck of it – if an alpha comes their way, even better, but it hardly seems to be their prime motivation.

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  42. on June 23, 2011 at 11:25 pm Good Luck Chuck

    The alternative to the faaabulous mimosa swilling six figure sales exec cock hopper is the pot smoking wrist tattoo hippie hairdresser cock hopper.

    Real life experiences.

    And my parents wonder why I’m not married.

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  43. on June 24, 2011 at 1:38 am From the can

    overthinking it. every woman’s options in order of preference
    option A) attract an attractive man who will provide (oxymoron?). pta/real estate to stay busy
    option B) prepare to not be provided for and screw around with attractive men when possible

    can anyone think of a hot female business mogul? entertainment industry excluded

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    • No, but I can think of a who lot of women (especially the politically-correct HR diversity/sexual-harrassment experts with a college degree from U. of Phoenix) who find themselves at 43-ish with no husband, no kids and stupid job that doesn’t love ’em back or will get ’em to be a CEO any time soon. They didn’t choose option A.

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  44. There are careers and there are careers.

    A woman that works say in the field of medicine, nursing, teaching, research etc is actually doing something usefull; until she gets into the ranks of management wherein all managers are essentially interchangeable regardless of field.

    If on the other hand a woman is persuing a career in finance, law, management etc. She is no more than a mercenary engaged in pointless careerism.

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    • What most women in the “corporate family” fail to realise is that their corporate masters don’t really give a shit about them.

      Corporations are more than happy for the women that work for them not to have kids. No time taken off work, no extra benefits required to be paid, no pesky kids to mess up a female corporate slave’s 24hr on call availability or affect her productivity.

      The corporate world is by in large not “family friendly” for women and the higher up the corporate ladder they go, the less family friendly the corporate culture becomes.
      When the corporations take their proverbial pound of flesh, have a guess where its coming from on a womans body.

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      • Really happy to see you respect the medical field.

        However, doctors can have shitty hours too. It really depends on the speciality.

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  45. I thought you said providing is for betas, marriage is for suckers and you’d rather emulate ghetto trash pimps who force women to provide for them. How are any of you going to get respectable families if you’re spending all your time and energy pumping and dumping moronic uneducated cock-carousel sluts and desperate third world hookers?

    What are any of you actually bringing to the table to DESERVE nice feminine faithful girls with traditional values? You’ll never meet anyone worth having in a club, and that’s a fact.

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    • Also true. How does the saying go? “Where pretty lies perish.” We all tell them.

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    • This blog is sort of schizophrenic. Roissy obviously doesn’t want to get married and I think he would run screaming from babies.

      Others on this blog say they want a wife and kids, but, quite frankly, it’s confusing.

      In short – I think they want women to be virgins and sexually hot and willing to fuck on the first or second date and contribute financially to the family with a job, but the right kind of job. She can’t spend too much time at the job, but he wants her to make money. But he also wants here to stay at home with the kids. But stay at home moms drain family resources and are lazy, so they suck also. Wives are expected to remain thin and pretty and demure. Wives are expected to serve their husbands and tend kindly to their husband’s needs and obey his commands. And wives have to be ok with their husband sleeping around, or they are uncool and deserve to be divorced. They believe in social-sexual Darwinism, so they think this is woman’s biologically state and that nature will force her to follow these biological mandates.

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      • Eh, to each his own. Figure out what you want for yourself and go get it.

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      • The blog isn’t schizophrenic. It is a composite of disparate voices.

        It isn’t one voice.

        People have varying sexual strategies. That is the lesson you can learn from these messages. There are patterns of strategies, and the strategies are at odds.

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  46. I think there is some pressure placed on her by society to achieve a career, and not be the stay at home mom. I know women who want to be stay at home mom’s and are chastised by thier freinds for being ‘unmotivated’… i think deeply these women want to be a mother, want to have a strong male who can provide for them, but fears of not getting this/pressures of society to ‘succeed’ have created female careerism.

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    • Good point. I agree that careerism is heavily reinforced by other women. They’ve all been raised that way since birth. Most of them have had working mothers who mostly sang the party line too. One thing missing today as well is the lack of interaction among stay at home mothers. Old neighborhoods had lots of them and they formed social circles. That happens much less today, although I think many of us crave that kind of casual interaction in our neighborhoods. I grew up seeing the women of my neighborhood talking on the street all the time.

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  47. I know that the times I get into my boring work, is only when I’m feeling down about men, I think I shouldn’t depend on anybody else and be independent. For me, it’s not for any of those reasons you listed, I don’t work with any alpha men, it’s all women. And I am incredibly un manly and un bolshy. At work they always call me cute and innocent and quiet.

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  48. on June 24, 2011 at 4:13 am Chris from Dublin

    Likes x lots

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  49. If a woman is not a wife and a mother, then she will be a whore/celibate. The women who work in the glassy office-blocks are really in a cross between a Harem (hoping that they will be able to snag the Sheik for themselves)/Convent (where men are seen as predatory and they are under the gaze of the Mother Superior i.e. the HR bitches – if not one themselves). Plus ca change.

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  50. on June 24, 2011 at 7:06 am singleflesh

    How about because American middle-class life has gotten a lot riskier than it was 50 years ago? One salary — in the past it was hubby’s — can’t support a family any more. No one can count on staying at one employer over a long career.

    This is a bullshit euphemism and I’m getting tired of seeing it thrown around. The extremely poor, sullen and work-shy all across the world raise gigantic litters of children successfully all the time: our recent ancestors raised families starting in their early 20s to full fruition even when bound by serfdom or contracts of servitude.

    Human beings do not make decisions based on rational economic criteria (why do you think teens ever get pregnant?) The drives behind human behavior are both selfish and emotional: if people aren’t having children these days, it’s because they don’t want children and see them as an impediment to their lives. It has nothing to do with somehow starving for cash in the wealthiest parts of the planet.

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 10:12 am Catholic Girl

      Agreed. If anything two-income households tend to have a lot of debt and are far more destructive than one-income household thanks to their business corporate and government services obsession.

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  51. By the far the worst are female Jewish academics. Generally very unattractive, but invariably convinced that their superior intellect and dedication to climbing the academic ladder while dragging a beta husband and a spoiled child (almost always one child households) around makes them God`s gift. You tend to run into women like this at cocktail parties in academic towns, their latent desire to be grabbed and vigorously fucked on a table by a real man is almost palpable.

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  52. on June 24, 2011 at 8:40 am namae nanka

    Reiterating my point about women’s need to make other women conform to their agenda.

    “No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”

    – Simone De Beauvoir

    The New York Times asks about the impact of women choosing to “flee” the workforce (a loaded question), Feldt explains:

    They make it harder for the rest of us to remedy the inequities that remain. We have to make young women aware of how their choices affect other women. It should be acceptable criticism to point out that, although everyone has the right to make their own life decisions, choosing to “opt out” reinforces stereotypes about women’s priorities that we’ve been working for decades to shatter, so just cut it out.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2010/10/consequence-of-female-choices.html

    Another argument being that if you have women in sizeable percentages in a field, it becomes easier for the ambitious women to ask for quotas.

    “”How about because American middle-class life has gotten a lot riskier than it was 50 years ago? One salary — in the past it was hubby’s — can’t support a family any more. ”

    Poor women had to work because men can’t support them. baww..

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    • These women absolutely infuriate me. Yes, ladies, you have a choice, but you must choose right for women kind. What BS. Because these women are so happy with themselves now that they are 40? Please.

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      • Well, maybe they are happy, maybe they’re not. I’m not judging any more.

        I couldn’t rely on a man’s income alone, nor would I want to.

        It’s just not practical.

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      • Great. That is fine for you. But I am not out to “remedy the inequities that remain” as they see them. I am out to take care of my family the best way I know how. I don’t really care how my choices affect other women. If I reinforce a stereotype, too damn bad. They judge me so I don’t have too much of a problem judging them.

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    • This seriously makes me homicidal. Inversion of values.

      Women had it so good!! Be nice and pretty and not a whore and you win the lottery.

      Thanks for liberating me so that I cold file papers for some nameless corporation. I’m really achieving my dreams. Everything a woman was biologically programmed for.

      Wake me up when the revolution starts.

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      • You can start the revolution yourself by finding a nice high-earning guy who wants a SAHM and setting up nest with him. Just don’t wait too long.

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    • “”How about because American middle-class life has gotten a lot riskier than it was 50 years ago? One salary — in the past it was hubby’s — can’t support a family any more. ”

      Poor women had to work because men can’t support them. baww..”

      Well, that part is true. One salary could support a family and now it cannot. That is because of inflation, but I do not want to get into monetary policy here. I’ll just say that it is more expensive to live.

      If you actually look at women flooding into the workforce, it happened after inflation took hold, not after the feminist revolution. Feminism was just a good excuse to justify women being FORCED into the workforce because the central bank instituted policies that destroyed the middle class.

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  53. on June 24, 2011 at 8:51 am the dromedary

    One area where that differential evolutionary hardwiring you mention has massive effects is in career choice. So many people still pretend that the reason that over 95% of people in domains like engineering, computer science and piloting are men is because of unjust social forces. I program. Female hackers are about as common as tits on a bull. Not because we want to keep them out. The more good hackers the better. It’s because most women don’t have the mental wiring to be interested in that level of abstraction for hours at a time.

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  54. Hey, just a heads-up to the author… I was going to send this to some friends of mine, but then I looked at all the acronyms and figured I didn’t really want to explain what “SMV” and “SWPL” and so forth were.

    Tone down the acronyms and jargon, and you’ll increase your readership.

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    • you don’t have to explain the terms to them, just tell them to look it up. if they can’t even be bothered to do that, do you really think they can manage to put the concepts on this blog into use?

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  55. on June 24, 2011 at 12:15 pm WaggingFinger

    There is so much vitriol coming from most of the comments, it gives the impression their authors have been deeply scarred and never laid (betas? ha). Take it easy, dudes. Enjoy it.

    I agree that women, historically, haven’t led countries, groups, tribes, companies. But, as David Rockefeller said above, it’s not feminists who are to blame for the shift, it’s the changing economic marketplace. Women need to work, even in two person families. The interesting point is whether careerism is a betrayal of their purpose. I don’t think so. Since Western labor is not physically demanding, women can and do work and raise kids at the same time. Often well. What’s interesting is the sectors of labor women typically enter. Rarely is it engineering, computer science, or math. Also, rarely do women rise in corporate environments to elite status leaving the governing to men. This, one could say, is a natural allocation of labor.

    As for the women who are driven to forsake family in favor of the corner office, sure they betray their biological duties, but just like a man who does the same and neglects to have kids. According to evo bio, the duty of every person is to make more people.

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    • There are clearly large-scale economic reasons why so many women work today. In fact, I would argue that feminism as an ideology is precisely what Marx meant by “alienation” occuring in highly differentiated capitalist economies. Feminism is alienation from human nature, and I don’t doubt that the driving force behind it is macro economic.

      But putting possible causes aside, I don’t think you’re talking about the same thing I’m talking about. I’m not talking about women who work, or even women who enjoy their work. I’m also not talking exclusively about those corporate women who happen to be successful and very career-driven. In many cases the woman is a very minor employee…what is interesting to me is their zeal for their work, the degree to which they identify with their co-workers as their surrogate families, and the emotional importance these often trivial jobs play in their lives. They often refer to very simple and common jobs as “their passion.” Its really weird. I think the Editor’s use of the word “off” is the right one. When you meet one of these women and talk to her, its like you’re not even talking to a real person.

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  56. Not being aware of this likely contributed to my divorce. I actually thought it was “cool” that my ex was so passionate about her work. Although on second thought, maybe I only convinced myself that I thought it was cool.

    This is not about women working, but about women emphasizing their jobs to an extreme amount.

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  57. on June 24, 2011 at 2:46 pm Uncle Elmer

    Enough of this “50s” claptrap.

    Manboobz took my lead and deconstructed the whole phenomenon :

    http://manboobz.com/2011/04/16/do-feminists-secretly-want-to-be-betty-draper/

    “Just don’t tell any of this to Uncle Elmer, a regular commenter over on The Spearhead. He’s evidently never seen the show, but feels confident he knows why feminists love it so much:

    Feminists … have a huge forbidden woodie for the “50s”. They simply cannot get enough 50s imagery and its thinly veiled implication that women should stay at home, know how to run a household, and lavishly support their man so he can go out and bring back the bacon.
    I’m betting a lot of lez-couples have a secret “50s room” in their McMansion (or remodeled Brownstone) where they can act out these suppressed urges. The props must be breathtaking.

    Uh, yeah. As Amanda Marcotte recently observed,“[w]hen you believe that we live in a female-dominated world where straight men are the most oppressed class, it tends to make you wrong about pretty much everything.” “

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  58. on June 24, 2011 at 3:21 pm Isle of Man

    There are so many reasons NOT to go to grad school that somebody has started a whole blog listing them: http://100rsns.blogspot.com/

    One reason (among dozens) not to go is because it is filled with exactly the type of women described here. If you stay in long enough, your social circle tends to shrink down to nothing but other miserable grad students. It’s not pretty.

    And these are the dumbest kinds of careerists, because whatever they end up doing is never going to pay well, and that’s assuming that they find a job.

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  59. Hi, there. First of all, I think the reason this blog gets so much traffic is that women generally want to be taken care of by a testosterone-loaded guy. And, sometimes I think that posts on this site can serve as porn for women – fueling fantasies of the guy who takes charge blah blah.

    That said, I would be so bored and unconnected to the world without my blog, which is, essentially, my career.

    And, one more thing — how can you say “paging Penelope Trunk” and not link to my blog? So annoying.

    Penelope

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    • If he provided a link to you, the average woman coming here to fulfill her male-testosterone-loaded fantasies would then immediately click out and get sucked in to photos of cats. Worse, some of the guys might click through and ask about Melissa in the green tights. I know I would.

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    • penelope

      I think that posts on this site can serve as porn for women – fueling fantasies of the guy who takes charge blah blah.

      while we pound the keyboard with our testoserone, the enterprising among us have webcam sites accepting credit cards from girl bloggers

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    • on June 24, 2011 at 3:42 pm My Name Is Jim

      Or maybe it’s made popular by guys who like the quality of a lot of what’s written here and want the red pill to improve themselves. It’s not all about women, you know. This always struck me as a site for men, by men.

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    • Why didn’t you link to your blog when you posted instead of your gravatar then?

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    • on June 25, 2011 at 9:37 am John Norman Howard

      I would be so bored and unconnected to the world without my blog, hich is, essentially my career.”

      Blah, blah.

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  60. I find this new comment layout really annoying.

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  61. Well, from an strict evolutionary POV, since ‘work’ has basically no impact on a woman’s status (and thus her mate value), working for any reason other than gathering resources for offspring is pointless. So, in short, yes, ‘careerism’ in women is a betrayal of sorts; it’s also meaningless, as it doesn’t affect their sexual desirability (except perhaps in a negative way)…

    Women have clearly been duped into thinking that things will naturally ‘work out,’ that all the chips will just miraculously fall in the right places according to their own particular time schedules without any real effort on their part. What they don’t understand is that marriage/kids don’t just ‘happen,’ they have to be sought out. They aren’t just going to suddenly be there. If you want them, you have to actually make real sacrifices; this is precisely what women are being told they shouldn’t do: they’re being told that the last thing you should do is sacrifice something (say, a part of your ‘career’) in order to achieve a successful procreative relationship.

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    • Working in an office contributes to my unhappiness. I am generally a very happy person, but working for a paycheck and being all gung-ho about market research or brainstorming meetings is just not born in me. My current condition is unnatural.

      I’d much rather be at home tending to children and cooking and cleaning. But alas, Alan Greenspan and Andrea Dworkin had other plans for me. Inflation and the destruction of our values by hostile elite have ruined this country. I don’t want to be part of this little social experiment anymore.

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  62. […] Is Female Careerism A Form Of Infidelity? « Citizen Renegade. […]

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  63. on June 24, 2011 at 6:22 pm Emma the Emo

    I decided to study hard in school, because my goal in life has been to hurt as many people as possible, and to do that, you need to know how stuff works. Having money would help as well. Now that I’m grown up, I study because I’m passionate about everything I do and want to do things I enjoy :). Not to mention I’ve seen people be unemployed in 10 whole years, and want to avoid that fate. I don’t think having a career (if I end up having that) will ruin my love life, especially since I don’t want kids. I don’t think my job will make me more attractive. There is more to life than that, however.

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  64. Anyone who’s not self-centered is an idiot. If you want a family, go ahead, but it’s pretty idiotic to pretend that families and ‘fidelity’ have some intrinsic value. You monkeys may be stuck in your jungle past, but the main holdover I have from that is wanting to smash in the face of conservatard losers.

    Not that I care for the MultiCulti weirdoes, but you’re still full of bullshit. Try a spoonful of Stirner: “nothing is more to be than myself.”

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  65. Perhaps I should expand: jealousy, envy, resentment, pity, etc. are pathetic ape drives that serve no rational purpose to a self-driven individual. Yes, they are still triggered. Well, I also want to beat people to death when they say stupid things. But I have a brain and I train myself not to. Herd animals are fucking lame.

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  66. Sad female careerist? Turn that mound upside down! From poon to penis. From cunt to cock. In one … easy … step. Simply grab the uterus and yank. With an inverted vag you’ll be in the boys room and the board room! Operators are standing by…

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  67. I get what you’re saying, and I’m not categorically opposed to women working, or even moms who work. But a couple things: by and large, men (even very successful men) are not ‘thrilled’ by their job. I know men who are very wealthy, own their own businesses and who are considered experts in their field, and when it comes down to it, its all about working to support their larger vision: their family, (and ego, to be honest). They really aren’t thrilled by their jobs at all. They’re highly motivated, and effective, but its really only lame dudes in mid-management that get all chipper about another day at the office!

    This is the difference with the women the Editor and I are talking about. To them, their job truly is thrilling. They are psychologically obsessed with it, their title, their surrogate work family. It is really off-putting and you get the immediate sense talking to these women that they really aren’t mentally/emotionally healthy. They let the job become who they are. No internal boundaries.

    I think Stingray already covered the difficulties in raising a family while working full time as a mother. Just because you are intelligent and capable of doing something is absolutely no reason to feel compelled to do it. You have to set priorities and make choices. I have no doubt that there are legions of women smarter than me who are focused on raising their chidren. Many compromise and find jobs that are family friendly. 3/4 time jobs, teaching, doctor/lawyer/counselor maintaining a part time practice.

    But you truly cannot have your cake and eat it too. You will have to set priorities, and you will have to make choices. Either your career, your husband’s career, or your children are going to suffer. There is no compromise where everyone gets everything. You have to make a choice.

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    • Vivi,

      The above comment was meant to be a reply to your post above regarding women being thrilled by their jobs. SW

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  68. Population control…
    Earth has too many useless eaters

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  69. @Heartiste
    “Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women.”

    I don’t think this is correct. Humans lived in groups of 150 for most of human histroy, and they were pack hunters (which is why sports teams are typically 5-10 people each side at a time); the plant food gathered by the women and the wooly mammoth – or whatever – killed by the men would then be shared all around. This means women did not select a man as a mate based on him providing material resources directly to her.

    Women would choose men on two bases:
    1.) Good genes
    2.) Ability to protect against invaders

    The “provider” meme shows that the beta-ization of western civ runs deep, and the current crisis was inevitable (similar to how not addressing slavery at the founding of the USA made the Civil War inevitable).

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  70. The reason why women have to be in jobs to keep supporting their families is manyfold, but one of the main reasons is because *they are in their jobs*.

    Think abotu the basic laws of supply and demand: If you doubled the supply, and only slightly raised the demand, the value of that good is going to lower. Likewise, when you have added females to the working class (hence, ‘doubled the supply’), and only slightly risen demand due to slightly increased female wants, the value of all workers is going to decrease. It is a natural, and completely enevitable, process. Market forces at work.

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    • spot on Ivan. A LOT of women are also not interested in supporting a man and children, men, especially married men are much less selfish and materialistic than women. Add to that the fact that a lot of women are failing at life and motherhood at cost to everyone else. There needs to be a huge overhaul somewhere i feel, taxes and inflation can’t keep increasing, while birthrates and marriage rates plummet this next generation will be lost financially and emotionally.

      The patriarchal model really was much better at delivering a decent standard of living to families and children.

      Grow up people, it’s still easy enough to support a family, just not easy to support conspicuous consumption….. It’s too bad that the corresponding growth in consumption that they would want has all been debt funded and based on mindless materialism and corruption. It’s also too bad that women aren’t productive enough to significantly lower the cost of healthcare, education, energy, information + communications technology or transport.

      It’s the same as the peasant immigrante dilemma, what happens when you allow lots of uneducated and unintelligent third world immigrante into your country?
      Thats right, blue collar wages go down, unemployment go up, key important costs stay the same. What part of that helps people in general(immigrant or “native”) afford healthcare or an education??
      The truth of it is, women are not productive enough and don’t advance technology and efficiency enough to offest the impact on wages. The power they have in consumer markets is also unwarranted and ill advised.

      Just as well there are a few properties in my family and my mum lives in a million dollar house, because even earning decent money at 23 i can’t be fucked to move out, And i’ll take a pass on those 3 rothschild mortgages and remortgages that are waiting for me, i’ll buy my yard outright thanks. Thats If i’m not more focused making more money with that money.

      Does it really take zen like wisdom and calm to just be happy not having something that requires you getting into debt? People used to get into debt for good and interesting reasons like investment and starting a business, now your average chump joe and hypergamous jane are raping themselves just for inanimate trash.

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  72. Female careerism is merely a symptom of the female lemming instinct.

    They simply have very little ability to think independently. Whatever “society” says to do through T.V., Movies, and advertising – they go ahead and do.

    The cannot differentiate fantasy from reality – not in the way men can.

    Whatever the voice of authority (T.v., media. girlfriends) says is their gospel.

    Bulls-eye.

    Yes, herd behavior is common in men too but its’ effects on women are much more profound.

    A man could break away from his tribe and have a chance of surviving in the wild till finding a new tribe or returning to his own.

    A women wouldn’t last on her own in the wild. Thus is was very important that she conformed and stuck with the pack. Conformity was still important for men but was not essential like it was for women.

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    • Which goes along with my “society is women and their supporters” notion.

      Society is a group agreement. Women are what the agreement coheres around. Society is femme centric, by nature.

      Otherwise we have male society, plus female society. Whenever there is just one society, it is necessarily driven by needs and mores and agendas and gossip mongering and rule following of females.

      Females not only uphold society, they ARE society.

      When men are men, we tend to me more individualist. Which, while not antisocial, is neither socially oriented.

      Betas are of course socially oriented – this is the cornerstone of their entire sexual strategy of limiting the sexual options of others.

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  73. […] Also of note: Women who worried about health problems were attracted to the masculine studs. So if you are an alpha male with game and a goal to bed as many women as possible before kicking off, your best bet is to target hypochondriac careerist chicks. […]

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  74. […] Also of note: Women who worried about health problems were attracted to the masculine studs. So if you are an alpha male with game and a goal to bed as many women as possible before kicking off, your best bet is to target hypochondriac careerist chicks. […]

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  75. This changes culturally/racially and should not be applied to all women across the board. Maybe for White females this may be an issue, but its not fair to place these labels on Black women b/c often times Black women have a whole different ball game they are playing. I’m not gonna lie – I was one of those women. Only b/c Black women are raised and see clearly that for the most part no one is out looking to take care of us or provide for us. Black women are often mocked for being focused on their careers and educations and are often expected to lower their standards to Black males who don’t have these same qualifications or educational background. I’d rather be alone with 10 billion cats than be with a guy who isn’t at or above my level. There is basically no choice but to pursue careers and focus on such b/c typically Black males (1) don’t marry (2) are not usually in the high positions that most WHITE or other Non Black males may have (3) do not seek to uplift Black women when they do get into high positions. IOW’s they marry out their race usually the higher the positions or more money that they make. Therefore, its a matter of survival for Black females look to be independent and to aggressively pursue educations and careers. If Black women did the opposite of what you presented in this post, we’d all be living in the ghetto poor and desolate dealing with Boomquisha and Ray Ray. Sorry its all about survival for some of us girls.

    BW don’t often have the same resources available to them that White women have when it comes to marriage prospects. So we adapt the best way we can to ensure that we can at least live decently and provide for ourselves and enjoy the other things in life.

    Some women have no choice and I think you should take that into consideration.

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