Confident Dork Game

Over at Roosh’s active pickup forum, there’s a discussion about a daygame video featuring the (self-identified) PUA Sasha. Here is the video:

For a quintessential example of the type of, what I call, confident dork daygame Sasha runs, watch his attempted pickup beginning at the 11:30 mark. Sasha clearly comes from the school of thespian PUAs. Very animated, to the point of hyperactivity. Even his hair is histrionic.

I don’t know what percentage of pickup artists selling their services employ this sort of goofy, theatrical game, but I’m seeing more of it in marketing videos released for public consumption. Sasha’s video suffers a shellacking over at Roosh’s forum, so I don’t want to pile on here except to note that in their zeal to push product and distinguish themselves a lot of the newer generation of pickup businesses are abandoning basic, fundamental game principles along the way.

For instance, little of the game literature advises men to specifically ask a girl if she has a boyfriend, which Sasha does a lot, using it as a springboard into a stacked routine.

Sasha: Do you have a boyfriend?

Girl: Why, yes I do.

Sasha: Is he a real boyfriend or an imaginary boyfriend?

Girl: Real.

Sasha: Name.

Girl:

Sasha: Oh, you hesitated. What does your imaginary boyfriend think of you chatting up guys?

Cute. But probably counterproductive. Reminding girls of their boyfriends, or giving them excuses to get away from you, would not constitute tight game. Mystery specifically admonished against asking about BFs, instead preferring to ignore the subject unless the girl brought it up, at which point he would evade or turn it around in a humorous way that demonstrated alpha cool.

There are some other things Sasha does that violate some core game concepts, such as crossing his arms when talking to a girl, speaking too quickly, self-deprecation, jumping like a sex predator or a circus clown in front of them, and excessive complimenting. Despite that, I’ve little doubt he bangs some hot chicks. (And credit goes to him for approaching mostly hot babes and allowing his failures to be videotaped.) Confident dork game, however ridiculous, will get you laid more often than no game, the latter of which is what 95% of the world’s men actually run. But the useful comparison is not between game and no game, but between different schools of game. And it is my belief that Sasha’s dorky direct street game comes up short as a learnable and effective game system for the majority of men.

55% of the general male population are introverts. (This number may be higher for men of East Asian ancestry and lower for men of African ancestry.) Introverts dislike striking up conversations with random strangers. Unlike extroverts, introverts become mentally and physically drained from social interaction, and this is compounded when they are talking with strangers. There is no way this group of men will enjoy running anything close to Sasha’s in-your-face entertainment monkey game. You can only bend a human being’s psychosocial profile so much before he gives up in disgust.

I doubt many *extroverted* men would enjoy spastic direct game of this sort, either. You have to be really comfortable with making a spectacle of yourself to pull off what Sasha does with any degree of success. (By my take, most of the women in Sasha’s video did not look as enamored of him as the chick in this video looked when Yad ran somewhat more restrained direct game on her. A lot of the chicks Sasha talked to had that rocking body motion going on, one foot ahead of them ready to make a break for it.) Confident dork game seems very limited in appeal, let alone efficacy.

Which brings up a point: there is an underserved market ready to be plundered by the pickup business which can capitalize on the specific needs of introverted men. These are the guys who make up the majority of warm bodies sitting in seats at PUA seminars. Naturally extroverted men likely have less need for game, so Sasha-type game really targets only a small slice of potential customers. The guys who leave bootcamps with a sour experience and demand their money back are probably the introverts who couldn’t shotgun approach thirty mixed group sets in a night without having a mental breakdown. They were forced to do something that stretched their comfort zone and their skillset too far, and they responded with resentment.

Good game should serve this group of men equally as well as the extroverted group. Indirect openers, confident but muted body language, sustainable talking points and plausible routines and lines that don’t sound outrageously contrived and don’t require a CV filled with acting experience to pull off should be the goal of most pickup businesses. In other words, the FUNDAMENTALS.

Truth is, I tried Sasha-type dork game… once. I felt like an idiot. The girl was nice enough, and giggled a little bit, clearly flattered and embarrassed by the public attention, but I got the BF line and that was that. Dancing around, swinging my arms, twirling, and peppering the girl with compliments and questions just didn’t seem to me like any sort of effective game technique. I returned to doing what brought me success most frequently: indirect game.





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  1. This is just painful to watch. It’s like two girls chatting. Seriously, if I was a girl and this guy approached me, I would think he is gay.

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    • Lilgrl and Epoxytocin. 87 used to consider themselves strong proponents of this type of ‘Game for introverts’.

      Too bad they were run out of here after a bunch of people told Lilgrl she was a 6 in looks, rather than the 9 she thought she was.

      She deleted her own blog and both of them vanished forever.

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    • Most of these PUA video crap is used to entertain dudes, specifically dudes who have no idea how real pick up actually goes down. Nothing more than flash bang marketing to get dudes to shell out money.

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    • In my early days of joining the community, I was shy, introverted, and had massive social anxiety.

      A couple of months into the game, as a part of trying to get rid of the anxiety I set my self a ‘challenge’ where I approached a 100 girls in this manner over the span of 15 days using exactly this sort of direct approach.

      I can confirm that it is utterly ineffective for building attraction.

      However I think this sort of game is great for introverts, it puts one in a very liberating state of mind.

      I got 12 phone numbers, 3 ‘insta-dates’. At the time I had virtually never hit on a random girl before, and I was proud and astounded with the results. But there was no genuine connection. (of the 11 numbers, only one girl, whom I went on an ‘instadate’ with for 2 hours met for a ‘day 2’ all the rest flaked)

      The very positive thing that did come of it was that my anxiety was greatly reduces and somehow I became more extroverted than the average guy.
      Having random girls giggle at my calling them sexy day in and day out destroys neurosis and social conditioning from growing up in a sexually restrictive culture.

      So while I think a seasoned PUA has little to gain from these antics, introverts do have a lot to gain by making themselves do through this type of insanity.

      On the other hand, exhibitionists like the guy in the video should avoid it altogether, the ‘thrill’ of the direct approach serves as a distraction from their goal of building a sexual relationship of some sort with the girl they are trying to pick up.

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  2. sasha’s also a stand up comedian so has no problem gaming women like this when he’s used to doing it in front of large amounts of people….

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  3. Please kill me.

    Yes, dork-game will get you laid more often than not trying at all, but you can also run across a highway repeatedly and hope to get hit by a hot chick and you’ll get laid eventually, too.

    At least the guy’s trying. What is he exactly trying to do, though, sell a bad knock-off book?

    Indirect game out in public is way better. Indirect game at social events is even better than that.

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    • on July 19, 2011 at 5:54 pm (R)Evolutionary

      Yeah, I didn’t even click the vid. I knew what was in store from his bouffante hairdo.

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      • I give you full power to kill me if I ever do that to myself.

        Yes, I have really long hair — have since I was 3 — but that’s more who I’ve always been and it detracts from my facial scars, broken nose, busted chin and the rest, hah.

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    • “you can also run across a highway repeatedly and hope to get hit by a hot chick and you’ll get laid eventually”

      That gives me an idea… How to open a hot woman in a car.

      Pretend to get hit by her, fall down, bruise yourself. She gets out of car, sees if you are okay, you say yeah you are okay, then stack mm routines.

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  4. on July 19, 2011 at 5:52 pm (R)Evolutionary

    “55% of the population are introverts.”

    “there is an underserved market ready to be plundered by the pickup business which can capitalize on the specific needs of introverted men.”

    Very, very true. Good to see the Chateau looking at introversion as a game concept.

    I’m naturally introverted, with a strong, learned extroversion frame. However, as you said, it’s a challenge to maintain for a long time. I need my down time, my quiet, alone time. These needs may be parlayed into an asset, as they lend themselves well to aloof game. Introversion can be leaned upon to destroy any neediness or clingy beta frame. There is a natural alpha introvert archetype/phenotype, because otherwise, 55% of the population wouldn’t be introverts, which, like so many other traits, has a strong genetic component.

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    • There is something to be said for the strong, silent type.

      Can you imagine James Bond, Dirty Harry, Sam Spade, or Scarface dancing around like a monkey trying to elicit laughs from a street girl? It is try-hard and DLV to peacock for a girl so hard. Gotta act like you could take ’em or leave ’em, while signaling that you might be interested if she’s lucky.

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    • To clarify what an “introvert” is:

      [I]ntroversion is an explanation of where an individual draws their energy; from solitude or from the company of others. Those who recharge their batteries through solitude are introverts. Those who recharge by being with others are extroverts. These differences are hardwired into us and affect everything from how our memories work to how we process information, where we focus our attention, how we communicate and even how we use our bodies. Introverts are, in the words of Carl Jung, interested in “the inner life of the mind.”

      It’s not too much of a stretch then, by this definition, to call introversion masculine and extroversion feminine. Women thrive in (“draw their energy from”) social situations from time immemorial: sewing circles, telephone chats, gossip groups, kaffeeklatches. Men do all the serious thinking. Behold the phenomenon of “The View.” Nothing more need be said.

      Introverts congregate on low-barrier-to-entry forums like internet comment sections. The internet is a safe, social simulation where the “inner life of the mind” is easily shared. It’s no surprise to learn that even the talkiest commenters here consider themselves introverted. Extroverts are too preoccupied seeking social situations to spend anything longer than a tweet in a medium of words rather than among a gathering of people.

      Introversion is not shyness or social awkardness. It is a description of a person’s inward mental focus.

      http://www.carlkingcreative.com/10-myths-about-introverts

      The essence of game is to make introversion work extrovertedly: the insights gained through solitary observation and analysis applied to social circumstances. The advantage women had was their extroversion quotient, or their “social intelligence.” Our advantage is … intelligence intelligence. Men excel as a sex in the cognitive skills that gave us rockets, heart transplants, nuclear fission, and even the idea of science itself. Only recently are we applying that dominating advantage to recovering our social status. In other words, the war of the sexes will be short, now that we’ve finally begun our reply.

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  5. Sasha = SCARY! ewwwwwww!!!

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  6. Yeah, I’ve wondered about how this game stuff would work with guys who are repulsed by opening sets and generally approaching people. If a guy could address the needs of the introvert set without making the client feel like they’re being sent off to their doom, they’d make money.

    Maybe sasha is more demonstrating “sober but drunk-confident” game, a socially lubricated, anti-game state in which guys think they’re acting in a way that gets girls in a sudden fit of over confidence.

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  7. “Naturally extroverted men likely have less need for game, so Sasha-type game really targets only a small slice of potential customers. ”

    Bingo. I assume that everyone who reads me is an introvert. I would be surprised if more than 20% of guys who study game are natural extroverts.

    A guy with Sasha’s personality most likely doesn’t even need game, so I’m curious what type of guy he’s targeting with his material.

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    • I’m still an introvert, but I prefer my alone time usually. I’ve worn the extrovert mask in order to appease my audience, be it a customer, a lady or a group of friends. There’s no dishonor is wearing a mask in order to entertain others, but the real me is really laid back and prefers a good book, a great glass of Scotch and a pack or two of smokes in my lounge.

      All of my friends who are introverts wearing the introvert mask are easy to convert — just send them into the pack of wolves over and over and over. After the second or third time, they’re pretty bulletproof. Rinse and repeat the cycle a few times a year to keep that adrenalin rush of fear down and it’s a snap. It’s a badge to overcome that fear of denial.

      Confidence is earned not learned, in my opinion.

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      • Those of us who have our own businesses are self-made extroverts. You master the circumstances around you or you fail, no matter what your interior discipline may be.

        The advantage to this way of life is the ability to become relaxed and comfortable in both realms — the external and the internal — allowing you to dominate whichever place you may be. There is no better training for game than running a business where you lead others in common purpose to close deals.

        I don’t know how desk monkeys working for others (women bosses!) make the canyon-sized leap from the cubicle farms to the social scene. It’s schizophrenic.

        Introversion isn’t shyness. It is an indicator of one’s primary focus and the orientation of his skill set. Think “introspective.” (See links in my post above … whenever it gets out of moderation.)

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      • Awesome, King A, I’ll look for them.

        And I do agree with that — I’m a provider of services or products or even just character, a woman isn’t any different than a customer. They all have things they want from me but don’t really know what it is, I know them well enough to meet their material, superficial and subconscious needs.

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      • I consider myself an introvert and I successfully ran my own business for about 3 years before joining the Air Force. I never considered myself afraid of people and I will talk all day long if someone approaches me first, I just prefer to chill and take it easy at my crib than run around hopped up on shots of liquor and 6 cans of redbull at a club, acting a fool with people I’ve never met in my life.

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    • Agreed.

      Sasha’s a stand up comedian by trade and has regular gigs around central London. Given that I’ve always wondered we he does so much day game instead of just picking at his comedy shows. Surely all he’d have to do is wait at the bar after he’d been on stage and the girls would come to him…

      Having said that lots of guys in the London pickup community really love Sasha. They like his confidence and ‘edgy’ humor. That being said he posted this video to a London pickup forum and he got mixed reviews. Best comment:

      “You get the feeling Sasha would be good looking if he had a haircut and wasnt dressed like he’d just been sitting around his flat all day eating nacho’s and playing playstation.”

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    • on July 20, 2011 at 3:58 pm spinaroonie

      Roosh, we’re still waiting for pickup videos of you bub. Show us how it’s done.

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  9. I’ve had decent success chatting up girls in coffee shops, usually about the book she’s reading. The challenge in those situations (for me at least) is escalation and ejection. Once you have her number and agree to meet later, IMO it’s probably a good idea to leave. Hanging around after the convo seems kind of awkward, and it’s probably not a good idea to hit on another girl in the same place.

    I’d love to see more instruction on how introverts, particularly bookworms who prefer smart chicks like me, can hit on girls at bookstores, the library, coffee shops etc.

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    • I’ve done really well in coffee shops all my life, moreso in my 30s though. For me, the “trick” was always to walk up and say hi once I made eye contact, and made sure her body was in my direction-ish. I never just walked up and opened with “Oh, you’re reading Hans-Hermann Hoppe?” I’d walk up and say “Hi.” If she said hi back, I’d continue with “I noticed you’re reading Hoppe, have any problems with that first chapter?” A little on the beta side, but ANY book a gal is reading — including fiction — can set her up for a nice neg once you calibrate based on her body language, response style, and if she’s giving you IOUs to sit down or talk further.

      A gal I see regularly now (solid 7.5-8) I walked up to in a book store in front of 2 of my friends and they still talk about the mystery of how I walked up to a gal and ended up meeting her for a cocktail 3 hours later. My answer? “She looked at me. Twice.” That’s begging, folks, and women do it often.

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    • soon there wont BE any bookstores so you’d better hurry!

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  10. (R)Evolutionary:

    My words exactly. I may not be the most able player out there but I NEVER fail on the side of needyness. Working on refining my aloof frame atm to seem less emotionally detached to some girls.

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  11. If that fails you can always try Slutwalk game:

    http://imgur.com/HjZVm

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    • Yup, knock back a couple of stiff ones then go up and say “Hey, babe, prove your sluttiness!”

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  12. Sasha’s got balls. He’s got a dorky hairdo and a dorky demeanour. He gets a good rapport going despite your tut tutting as to how it could have been done better.

    lol u mad?

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  13. I’m also an introvert and have difficulties with outright pick up which I almost never do. I have a “strong silent type” appeal (about 6’4″, objectively handsome, have been told I come off like Clint Eastwood) which works extremely well with women when I’m introduced to them (social circle, professionally, whatever). It works well enough that I don’t feel compelled to change my style, but I would be interested in any way I could adapt it to day game opportunities. Any advice?

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    • First of all, fuck you, cremo.

      Secondly, just kidding. I have plenty of tall male friends who are introverts, but they’re great wing men because tall helps a lot versus any other superficial factor.

      Do you have a decent wing you go out with? I’m not talking about just bars — I mean even to the damned grocery store? Not in the gay way, just in the “Two friends tackling chores together” way.

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    • “I have a “strong silent type” appeal ”

      I can tell you there is definitley something about men who can do this. I have seen many women squirm (myslf included) around men like this b/c we cannot figure out what he is thinking. That makes us crazy in a GOOD WAY. See most Alpha guys will immediatley jump at the first opportunity to show their alphaness to get to a hot girl he wants. If a girl is hot she probably already knows it, and already EXPECTS strong alpha types to approach fairly quickly.

      But a strong silent type has an effect on women that leaves women (mentally) wondering what or rather WHO he is thinking about (if its us) and prrrraying he’s going to come ourr way. And then, the lucky gal that this particular guy does approach is the envy of all b/c we know he has thought long and hard about his target which we in turn feel MUST be valuable. Some of the more modern women who can’t take it (the waiting), are going to do the approaching first with a man like this. The more traditional girls (and probably the hottest of the bunch) is standing to the side hoping she can get this type of guy to come to her eventually. When a strong but patient slow moving alpha man like this comes along, all women are just itching to know what he’s thinking. Patience (not being afraid to approach but clearly defining his target before he pounces) is such a very attractive trait on a man when it comes to being around women.

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      • on July 19, 2011 at 9:31 pm Neil Hansen

        You don’t have to tell Chateau readers that, Neecy. Everyone knows women want to be mind-fucked.

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      • But not *ALL* the time. There is a proper time and setting for a man to do this, but its not all the time. That’s the key.

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      • Ok wait. I take that back. Its not that women want to be “mind-fkd” its just that women (no matter their attractiveness) are aware that alpha types will always approach the “obvious” hottie first fairly quickly like clockwork. But an Alpha who is a slow moving strong silent type leaves quite a bit to the imagination – which in turn is very attractive to women. That is what I mean. Its like some guys who like lingirie on a woman and prefer that she wear that before undressing. He already knows she going to take it off (i.e we already knwo the alpha guy is going to approach someone), but she is making him wait before she goes fully nude (strong silent type is not going to just pounce on the hottie he may have his eye on immediatley), thus leaving a lot to his imagination (i.e. all the women in the room are like “ok who is this dude interested in I wonder). Does thta make sense?

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      • Its not really about educating readers here so much as its all about Neecy. Women like this need a muzzle.

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      • OMG seriously why do you feel the need to constantly follow behind me and make such rude comments? If you DISLIKE ME please do yourself and myself a favor – keep it moving. You can easily scroll past my posts, but you choose not. OH WELL. Until i get banned or deleted by the mods, I’m not leaving. So get used to me 🙂

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      • Hey Neecy,

        I don’t know if you figured this out yet, but most of the guys who read this stuff don’t actually like women very much.

        That’s why they keep resorting to personal attacks and shaming tactics…wait a minute….isn’t that the same thing they accuse feminists of doing? 🙂

        They’re probably also going to accuse me of being a mangina or something like that for writing this, but I give you a lot of credit for sticking around and making yourself a target. Keep it up!

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      • I know its borderline stupidity on my part huh? Do you know of any sites that are opposite of this where many men post? I would be really interested in those if you know any. Honestly, been off of work for awhile and at home most days – found this site quite entertaining – possibly too entertaining?

        Idle hands are the devil’s playground. *sigh* My friend Liza is also trying to knock some sense into my head. Any links would be appreciated 🙂

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      • I’m not following you, so you may as well get the fuck over yourself.

        I’ll say whatever I want to you, and you’d better get used to that.

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      • I suggested one site, but I think posts with links in the text might be held for moderation because it didn’t show up right away.

        We’ll just have to wait and see if it surfaces at all. Until then, I’m afraid you have no choice about to endure the constant abuse here.

        At least it’s entertaining.

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      • This site is pure entertainment for me. I have a pretty strong core. No one can abuse men on the internet. Especially not a place where a great number of damaged delusional men dwell. lol

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      • not “men on the internet” but “ME on the internet”

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  14. For introverts, the best material is gunwitch method (regardless of the guy’s personal fuckups). I am an introvert myself, and applying the mystery method (approaching sets, enlarging the social circle…), while essential, was physically challenging. However, reading the mystery method (and maybe savoy’s magic bullets) should be mandatory for anyone who wants to have some solid game fundamentals.
    Reading gunwitch simplified things for me though. Approaching a lonely prey, talking her to a sexual state and bang. It works wonderfully for me. I’m not a social butterfly and i will never be one. So I just play the dashing mysterious stranger, it’s the ideal role for an introvert. Just optimize your looks (fashion+hygiene+gym), use those bedroom eyes, and cultivate alphaness. Social proof and extraversion, while useful, are overrated.

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    • Gunwitch shot a girl in the face with a gun while drunk. 😦

      Yeah, I know that doesn’t mean his method is bad..

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      • Actually, it does show that his method didn’t make him happy or extremely successful with women, otherwise this would have never happened.

        Make her say no is ok, but don’t shoot her in the face if she says no…

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  15. Some parts made me laugh. But it really is a numbers game I guess no matter how you approach it. He got two numbers out of about 10 girls? Not bad. I come from a sales background so I believe in the numbers game with anything – no matter how bad anyone is at anything you do it enough something is going to bite. But then there is your dignity you have to worry about – lol

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  16. […] sites I enjoy that may not describe themselves as Conservative or even political include Citizen Renegade, And That’s Why You’re Single, The Lost Art of Self-Preservation (For Women), and […]

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  17. Another example of dork game. Pickup using Internet memes. I actually find these pretty funny.

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    • Note that the rudest women in the video were the ugliest. The heavy ones were not at all inclined to stick around and, in the final scene, the line “elbows too pointy, six out of ten at best” was clearly a nuclear neg to a real six who knew she wasn’t pretty. That was a perfect example of someone who didn’t need a neg.

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  18. ANY GAME will get you laid more than you were, even if it means once a year vs. once a decade. People need to understand that doing nothing is not as effective as doing ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH.

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  19. Why does every conversation about game have to mention the introverts? Does ESPN ever feature the minor league?

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    • on July 19, 2011 at 8:00 pm (R)Evolutionary

      Have you always had such low levels of reading comprehension? Or just since the advent of 24-hour sports channels?

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  20. I agree. Game isn’t about putting on an act. It’s about improving yourself.

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  21. I’m introverted myself. I used to be alcoholic to combat that, but some days even the booze wouldn’t lower inhibitions until I was too drunk to function well.

    I’ve only approached a “mixed set” a few times, and while wasted. I bombed out walking into a restaurant to say hi to two cute girls sitting at a table, but was proud of myself for overcoming the inhibition. Another time I said hi to girls sitting near me at a restaurant and got invited or invited myself to sit at their table. It was amiable, but not what you’d call game. An exercise in approaching, at best.

    Girls often remark that I seem shy, or am quiet, or not outspoken. It stands out that I’m introverted as an obvious character trait.

    I rarely approach, but I don’t consider myself gameless. Put me in a room one on one with a girl, and I’m at ease, and in control. I lead the interaction and have fun.

    Put me in a restaurant surrounded by crowds of strangers, and I’ll be out of my element.

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  22. I’m introverted myself. I used to be alcoholic to combat that, but some days even the booze wouldn’t lower inhibitions until I was too drunk to function well.

    I’ve only approached a “mixed set” a few times, and while wasted. I bombed out walking into a restaurant to say hi to two cute girls sitting at a table, but was proud of myself for overcoming the inhibition. Another time I said hi to girls sitting near me at a restaurant and got invited or invited myself to sit at their table. It was amiable, but not what you’d call game. An exercise in approaching, at best.

    Girls often remark that I seem shy, or am quiet, or not outspoken. It stands out that I’m introverted as an obvious character trait.

    I rarely approach, but I don’t consider myself gameless. Put me in a room one on one with a girl, and I’m at ease, and in control. I lead the interaction and have fun.

    Put me in a restaurant surrounded by crowds of strangers, and I’ll be out of my element.

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    • “I rarely approach, but I don’t consider myself gameless. Put me in a room one on one with a girl, and I’m at ease, and in control. I lead the interaction and have fun.”

      You hit the nail on the head with that one. I’m an introvert, but I have no problem with people, just large groups of them. I absolutely despise clubs, bars, and large parties, while I’m very confident with small groups and one-on-one interaction. When it’s just me and the girl, it’s magic.

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    • Interesting. I’ve often had those remarks from women too, almost as if they were disappointed…”you’re shy aren’t you” is one that always made me angry. My true response would’ve been “no, I’m bored out of my fucking mind trying to figure out a way to engage with you about yorkshire terriers, the new Jersey Shore episode, and the latest hip-hop or dance single. I literally feel myself getting more stupid when I speak with you.”.

      I have tried to overhaul the perception so that I’m seen as strong and mysterious, rather than shy. One thing that works is to maintain a twinkle of amused mastery in my eyes, and bust enigmatic witticisms now and then, so they get that there’s a lot going on under the hood, but you choose not to share all of it with them yet.

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      • With my latest girl I’m outright bored with most of what she says. I rarely engage her in any conversation. I think she must think I think that she’s dull. I’m often exasperated with her poor English or other communication problems.

        However none of that was a barrier to seduction nor does it seem to be a relationship barrier. We are intimate and enjoy each others company. It took a good while to train her to shut up when I tell her to, but slowly she’s gotten used to sharing silence. I don’t need a lot of chat chat chatter.

        I have other girls to talk to, and that’s a welcome contrast. Conversation is an enjoyable part of a relationship. But, believe it or not, you can have everything but, and the everything but will function just as well as the everything with.

        An intimate relationship is not “about” what you talk about. It’s not “about” talking. Talking is an extra. You don’t need it to build, grow, or maintain intimacy.

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    • her: you’re shy, aren’t you
      you: i make my words count

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  23. Meh.

    Everybody’s got a different style. He’s approaching, he’s having fun, he doesn’t lock up. He’s comfortable with himself.

    There’s alot of ways to skin a cat. Gunwitch, Mystery, Jlaix, Tyler, RJ; many different styles. As long as they get where they want to go, great. They get results.

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  24. And I could add that I’ve had countless hours of interacting with crowds as my job as a travelling salesman.

    That helped my social skills, but I’m still introverted.

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  25. Seriously, if you have the balls to get even NEAR this level of dorkiness and can put on an act like this, you’re already at a point where you should have no problem getting women.

    There’s some value in stuff like this, in that you can learn lines which work out of this context. Not that i’m a huge fan of lines, but they’re useful to hear and then file away for that one time when you’re struggling to find something to say. The general attitude, though, will turn off a lot of girls and honestly I do not know how many girls I could approach like this before i’d get tired out.

    I don’t know if people are intrinsically “extroverts” or “introverts” though. I was a huge dork in high school/college and had an impossible time in social situations, parties, etc. No one would have called me an “extrovert”. Eventually I forced myself to learn how to be social, and now there isn’t anyone in my current circle who WOULDN’T call me an extrovert.

    To each their own, though. Desire to be extroverted probably has a lot to do with it and you can probably succeed as a total introvert. My guess is that it’s a lot more difficult though.

    Don’t know if this will help anyone else, but my starting point for becoming “extroverted” was actually professional, networking-type events. ANYTHING that gets you talking with strangers is helpful. Talking to girls immediately and cold approaching immediately can sometimes be a step too far, especially in a smaller town where there’s a real fear of gaining a reputation. I’ve never succeeded on an approach when i’m not in a social mood.

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  26. Being an introvert is not a handicap in all situations. It’s a barrier to approach, under some circumstances. That’s a big barrier, but you can get around it.

    I meet a lot of girls online. By the time I meet them in person, the approach is taken care of.

    Problem solved.

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  27. I agree…. I’m a girl and if this type of conversation would just annoy me. Then again I’m also introverted and pretty shy; it may work better on girls who love to talk all the time.

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  28. … life would be so much easier if I could seduce a woman with my dung-beetle photos …

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    • You’re probably joking around, but guys who really think like this r being selfish. Give the girl something to work with

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  29. Aaron

    Social proof and extraversion, while useful, are overrated.

    I’ve rarely used either.

    Game is like martial arts. If you specialize in kicks, you’ll think the kick is the best move. And it will be your best move. Some other guy will rely on the choke hold. Another will be a grapler and work best on his back. Then you’ll meet some other guy who cheats and has a gun.

    Extraversion and social proof are very useful tools, but you can still fight without them.

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    • Would love for someone to make a “Game for Introverts” blog.

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      • The issue with this is that most introverts are going to want someone to post actual examples, and once you post examples, you have 50,000 people using the same lines over and over again. The year that The Game came out (2005?) was the absolute most torturous year ever because I saw dozens of guys in Chicago trying the lines they learned on women who also heard the lines a few dozen times.

        The important thing here at the Chateau is to understand the reasoning behind it, making it a habit inside. Overcoming social anxiety means going out and trying what you’ve learned. If you’re afraid, just drive to the next big town over and try it there a few weekends in a row.

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      • The tip about travelling is a good one. You may find your alter ego only exists in other towns.

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      • Who lies more, men or women?

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  30. on July 19, 2011 at 8:45 pm missbosslady

    No, no, no, no…….

    Any chick that goes for this should be slapped!

    First, the man bun! C’mon! It looks like shit on my Grandma, but on a dude, please! Where did this heinous look come from and how soon will it go back. Dude, your a man, so no hair bun, ever.

    Second, the rap is ridiculous. These ladies must be way more polite than I am because I would never had stood there and listened to this total goofball.

    The whole thing stinks of schtick and schtick is a total turnoff.

    Epic fail!

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    • My thoughts exactly until I realised that most of the women he was choosing were _teenagers_ or not much older so not really that perceptive. This guy is just slightly more advanced than a kids’ party clown albeit with an alterior motive. Hence the man bun?

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  31. In my opinion, many “pua” people fall prey to the classic mistake of overusing the concept of “personality” traits. Introversion, extroversion, and similar concepts are less important to human behavior than situational influence. People have been duped for thousands of years by religions using this lie, and today the lie persists. In reality, inherent personality traits are less important than people think.

    I took the autism quotient test 6 years ago when I was 14, and I scored in the near asperger’s range. But when I take the test now…I am a near perfect extrovert. Probably, there are just trends and patterns in the not-too-distant past governing how you relate to others in certain situations. Experience, the right mindset, and developing improvisational ability are key.

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    • Personality may be somewhat fluid, but I’m sure we can agree that the trends we have are real and describable.

      I don’t consider myself shy, however I’m often described that way. I’ve had countless hours of sales experience, enough that I can be comfortable and even proficient managing the attention of strangers or groups of strangers. Yet I’m still often described as shy. But I don’t feel shy.

      The trends of my personality do last through decades, even as it is fluid.

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  32. He better be trolling the PUA community with this shit

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  33. I’m sure this guy would love to get with these women, but realize that he has a parallel game going: selling tickets to his standup show. I see this type of sidewalk cold approach from musicians/entertainers all the time. It takes balls, requires a lot of approaches, and gets you further when it involves hot women (three hangers-on will follow a hot girl out on a Friday night. Get her to come to your show, get them, too). But I would argue that part of why he’s so flippant about the whole thing and doesn’t seem to mind crossed arms, etc., as long as he gets their numbers is because a contact made is a potential ass in a seat.

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  34. Me and my introvert! hehe!!

    me: “lalalalalla hahahhhah, hehehhe, blah blah blah…….lol!!”
    him: LISTENING….”hugs kisses, you’re so sweet……more hugs and kisses….”

    Perfect!

    I love introverts cutie, sweetie!

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  35. The extraversion/introversion continuum is about internal energy. Most people tell me they think I’m an extravert, but being outgoing is rather draining to me. I rarely look forward to being in any kind of social setting and have to consciously make an effort to be outgoing. Game has some good tools to make it easier, but there’s nothing (save perhaps ecstasy) that will magically make me want to party at crowded nightclubs.

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    • Similarly, I refuse to dance, as it is unpleasurable for me, unless I’m wasted and with an inspiring hottie.

      There is an outgoing alter-ego within me, but it is not my default position, and is not accessible at will.

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  36. That man’s hair makes me uncomfortable.

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  37. Dude reminds me of Russell Brand.

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  38. This guy is fucking terrible. His only forte is being bold and approaching. His game is pure shit, however. Total loser.

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  39. Where I did my undergrad, the strongest academic departments in those days were clustered around what was called The Classics. The Study of Ancient Greek & Roman Literature/History and Civilization.’Since I was a teenager, at the time, I had no bloody fucking notion of why what was being offered to me was so valuable and important. But times change.
    The Ancients understood “Game” straight-up and clear eyed.
    My hero, W. Churchill, once wrote – more or less – “The better you can see into the past, the better you can see into the future.

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    • Rum,
      Interesting concept regarding classics and game, but I don’t see the connection. Please elaborate–an example or two would be appreciated.

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      • @Wondering

        Start with the Ars Amatoria, written by Ovid, the praeceptor amoris (teacher of love).

        This would be the original Chateau. It’s not as if this blog is breaking new ground so much as it’s rebreaking it for our generation.

        The book was in three parts. Part One taught single men how to pick up women and taught good advice like not sending too many gifts. Part Two taught men how to keep their wives in thrall. Part Three was written for women so they would be aware of what the men he taught in the first two parts were trying to do. 😉

        Ovid then introduced the concept of having an MLTR in Remedia Amoris (the Cure for Love).

        The more things change the more they stay the same.

        He is a hero in Romania where he moved in his later years (around the time when Christ was crucified).

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      • Thanks for the Ovid reference. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. Those not familiar with history are doomed to repeat it. The cliches are true. Just get an education.

        A good, accessible place to start the autodidact project is Manliness by Harvey Mansfield. He uses the ancients (and the moderns) to pick feminism apart ovum by ovum.

        http://www.amazon.com/Manliness-Professor-Harvey-C-Mansfield/dp/0300122543

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  40. I’m a natural introvert. One of the best ways to approach is in reasonably quiet bars that aren’t super crowded. You can have a conversation with a girl at one of these places, alcohol flows. I don’t cook and eat out all the time, so I run such game in the course of my day without much effort. Mid priced places (think $15-$25 entree) in city centers that are just a little off the beaten path are best. It will be mostly local girls with some education but not careerists.

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  41. Let’s face it: it’s possible to get sex from some young broad who’s attracted to this kind of thing but you’ll never land a woman of quality acting like this kind of jackass.

    It’s pure peacocking, clownish entertainment. I suppose it’s the kind of thing that can work at frat parties and on spring break but, come on… some women are attracted to guys in Stetsons with cowboy boots and giant belt buckles, too. Is that game?

    I say no because: 1) The guy’s decent looking to begin with; 2) he’s selling his audacity as value but he lacks sincerity (incongruent); 3) this kind of performance comes easily to him and gives him the validation of laughter even if he fails to make a connection.

    In terms of the scale of intro-/extroversion, this guy is clearly in the interstice between the two. He is a particular type of extrovert: the showboat who needs attention and approval. This is different than the recluse or the artist. Most comedians have this deep-seated need for approval. Even a macho guy like Joe Rogan will admit it. Deep down, this guy’s practiced nonchalance and irreverence is a sham front for a guy who needs women to feel better about himself.

    So, no, that’s not game to me.

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  42. As an introvert and fairly shy, I found DeAngelo’s stuff to be helpful. (At least the 2002 book and seminar videos; I don’t know what he’s been up to since.) The focus was on building your internal frame to project confidence, watch your body language, and be the kind of man women are attracted to. He recommended approaching, but said “Hi” was better than no approach at all, that the particular lines or methods weren’t as important as projecting the right attitude. Some of his guests were very much the aloof, said-the-spider-to-the-fly types, and he talked about putting yourself in social situations where girls will approach you, like female-dominated settings like a massage class. Some used online chat to break the ice and get the meet.

    All stuff an introvert could handle, and possibly even do better than an extrovert.

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    • ya deangelo was the best for me also. It was more about realizing what I was acting like versus projecting some kind of bullshit. He taught me to be comfortable in my own skin and that body language was KEY in projecting what I wanted. I became more aware of how I sat, stood, talked, and realizing I couldn’t use logic to get a girl.

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  43. “Unlike extroverts, introverts become mentally and physically drained from social interaction, and this is compounded when they are talking with strangers.”

    Reminds me of a Finnish comedian, talking about how the Finns enjoy brooding.

    If a Finn is approached on the street by an acquaintance or stranger his immediate thoughts are “How can I get away from this person so I can be alone to brood?”

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  44. “The focus was on building your internal frame to project confidence, watch your body language, and be the kind of man women are attracted to.”

    Exactly what R.Don Steele codified twenty years ago in his seminal “How to Date Young Women for Men Over 35, Volumes I and II”.

    Worked for me. Also becoming Lord of the Dance.

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  45. Andrew W.K. educates on “confident dork game”:

    She would have certainly gotten a beer with him after that.

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  46. So where do you go to learn about the sort of body language for tight game? Obviously you can’t trust Adam Bomb in the video, so where do you go?

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    • To real alpha males. If you’re not friends with any, go to clubs and observe the guys with the hotties. Or watch movies like Van Wilder, James Bonds, Top Gun, etc.

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    • The principles are simple and few. Learning to make good body language a daily habit is the tricky part, and it can easily take a year of dedicated effort to achieve unconscious competence in this area. I think Brad P says his walk took him 2 years to master.

      Posture: Shoulders back, chest out, head up, hands relaxed at your sides. Do this 100% of the time, and you’ll be seen as the alpha in most groups of men. It may be all you need. It’s astonishing how many men go around with a beaten, tired, hunched-over posture. Let them be your reminders to be the one guy who thinks enough of himself to stand up straight. (Kettlebell swings will develop posterior muscles to help you make good posture automatic. Also, see Roissy’s post here called something like “How to Stand Like An Alpha.” Use this foot position and weight distribution as your default stance.)

      Pace: Move slowly and deliberately. Never react with quick movements, especially with your head. YOU set the pace in your world — the world doesn’t set the pace for you.

      Movement: Walk as if a string is attached to your belt and is pulling you forward. Once you have mastered this, you can add some ornaments to “poeticize your presence,” as Cajun puts it. See Jim Morrison.

      Accountability: Regularly videotape yourself walking and performing other actions. Critique and improve until you watch yourself on video and are truly impressed with what you see.

      You don’t need much more than the above. You certainly don’t need to read books after book about the subject. Turning all of the above into a regular habit will put you well into the top 1%.

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    • Tons of videos on bitseduce featuring just body language.

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  47. He looks like Tajōmaru from the movie Rashomon.

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  48. I’m not too huge on game talk, but the real trouble lies not in his technique but rather his frame of mind. He is far too outcome driven, desperate, and passive aggressive. I’m sure the real failure is always asking for permission to grab her arm or have her touch his hair, then showing pathetic disappointment over it.

    Why no attempt at rapport? No mindset of dropping in and making her day?

    I suppose that no game-game (the i’m shy and awkward and know it mindset) would do better with introverts..and perhaps this guy as well.

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  49. I’ve been sitting in coffee shops for a few hours a day in order to decrease any anxiety I have and hopefully to make me more extroverted.

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  50. Sasha has a very high profile within the London pick-up community because he’s been around forever and his quite a pushy market (“best bootcamps in the world” etc). Personally, I don’t rate him at all, but whatever each to their own.

    Here’s video of the top daygamers showing how it should be done. Unsurprisingly the guy you mention (Yad) is universally recognised as No.1

    http://krauserpua.com/day-game-top-ten/

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  51. Let me do a quick review of that first 5 minutes after just getting back from a vacation where I opened a lot of women and had a great time. I am an extrovert normally.

    He got the number in the first set from a 19 year old so he was doing a lot correctly (I just saw how he really blew it in the second set but with a much less attractive woman):

    1 – I can’t be so direct with the open. If I approach a woman from behind like that, I usually have to walk out ahead of her and turn looking confused and ask for directions. He, on the other hand, touched her arm and actually jumped out like a madman to put himself in front of her and got away with it. Kudos for that, but I can’t do that even as an extrovert. While not germane to the discussion that particular woman was the right age to open but on the thin side for me and I would not open her specifically.

    2 – After getting her stop and talk, he did a great job in holding her hand awhile on the excuse of shaking hands. Taking a woman’s hand early on is great kino.

    3 – He did it right by going directly into “what’s your story” instead of talking about himself. That in itself wasn’t clownish. She reacted positively to that and I saw her trying to qualify herself several times in the video.

    Note that he heavily talked almost exclusively about her and very little about himself. That aspect is great game.

    4 – I wouldn’t use the word fucking like that but I have to admit that it worked for him and may have had a subliminal effect of getting her to think of him in terms of fucking.

    5 – Right on with that immediate “So you couldn’t easily come down and have an affair once a month” when she said she lived with her parents far from London. He put things in the proper frame that way. Women like to have an agenda laid out in front of them (or they get bored and end the conversation). Notice how she answered “It’s too expensive”. By doing that, she didn’t say that it was out of the question to have that affair. I felt he blew an opportunity with that “What if I were a rich lawyer…but I’m not” line. Some PUAs would disagree but I believe he could have better gotten across (quickly and off-hand) that he could well afford having her come to London. When a woman is that young and really does not have the financial resources, it’s not beta to let her know that her finances would not really be an issue because it wouldn’t (and couldn’t) be dutch.

    6 – She dug his “Look at me, I’m a model, I’m so pretty” neg. His further negging on that score looked a bit bitter, but I won’t fault the idea of heavily negging a woman who wants to be a model. She then moved to seriously qualify herself to him with that “I only do it part time. I’m not swallowed up into that world”.

    The fact that she was scrambling to qualify herself tells me he negged her right. He got her number on that set so it’s dumb to criticize it too much.

    7 – I liked the “You’d be a hot English teacher” segment not because it further complimented her but because it was great filler for the conversation that kept things moving along and kept the frame sexual. He was entertaining her where most guys would have already bored her and caused her to say “I’ve got to be moving along now”. So the argument that he was complimenting her too much with something like that has to take into account that women want to be entertained or they get bored and jettison themselves.

    8 – When she asked what he did, saying that his job is to pick up girls would not work for me. I see no problem in quickly presenting a DHV before going back to her. In the second set, the older woman immediately knew he was a professional PUA and saw the camera. Not cool. Not a DHV.

    9 – This is the big one: “Here is the important question, who’s the lucky guy”. I’ve found that, when a woman is trying to qualify herself with the guy (when he’s making her qualify herself), it might be the best move to get her to deny having a boyfriend. I find out very quickly. Among other things, this precludes her from using this excuse later on during a possible flake phase and it allowed him to get more presumptuous a few seconds later. It allowed him to get her to discuss what she wants in a man. His jokingly showing his bicep cemented the idea that he expected her to be interested in his body.

    10 – Really great “Next time you’re in town we’ll meet up, have a coffee and obviously if there’s sexual chemistry I’ll seduce you and we’ll go back to my place and make love all night long”. She ate that up, almost having an orgasm. 😉

    If I’ve learned anything recently about game (this blog helped break old habits) it’s to get into sexual imagery early on if the woman is in the experimentation stage of her life (carousel riding stage) before the stage where a woman would start looking for a beta provider. A 19 year old would clearly be in the sexual experimentation stage of her life and would NOT be looking for a serious relationship from the start.

    So, just last night, I told a 19 year old, who’d told me that she wasn’t looking for a serious relationship, that I’d like to bend her over the kitchen table and go at it and that was the moment when she said “let’s exchange phone numbers”. Seriously. At that age they want to hear talk like that. Older women would find that vulgar and it’s the older women that stupid men listen to. Don’t let any woman over 22 tell you that women don’t want to be talked dirty to and early on.

    Then he said “So what do you say” and she said “Maybe” and he made that out to be like she was saying maybe she’d have sex with him. She basically implied that, if she were to meet him, maybe she’d have sex with him. Not bad framing on his part, as long as she doesn’t flake because of it.

    Then he moved to get her number as if this was the obvious next move and made it clear that there would be an exchange of numbers via “miscall”.

    There was a glitch that could be a sign that she might flake:

    She said “I don’t even know you though” implying that the number exchange via miscall made her uneasy. But her ASD would be riding high at that point.

    He entertained her and that can be the deciding factor in any relationship with a smart woman.

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  52. This kind of game works only for Sasha, since he’s a standup comedian.
    Also he makes himself look like a clown which won’t help him get more students.

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  53. Looking at the other sets after the first: That hair is no good. While Mystery was correct on having a hat or iron cross you can take off after it gets commented on, he can’t take that damned hair off when it’s no longer working for him.

    Plus he’s too pushy in the sets after the first.

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  54. Final set with the little blonde woman was good. Again she was at that age when a woman wants to hear that sort of stuff (the same stuff that turns off the older women who are already in relationships anyway).

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  55. I definitely prefer the R&D world to people but it would be nice to get laid on occasion. The trouble with most of Roissy’s technique is that it basically divides the world into bar hopping Alphas and everyone else.

    I make bags of money and probably had a hand with the computer you’re reading this message on, but couldn’t get laid to save my life. I’ve learned social behaviours in the way one might learn a foreign language, simply because it makes getting things done easier but, yeah, women are basically not part of my regular existence simply because that’s what the R&D world is like.

    They *do* smell nice, though.

    That being said, the underlying principles of game are interesting but need rebalancing for non-bar/restaurant enthusiasts.

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    • I think getting over fear of daytime approaches is the only way to do this if you don’t go to bars or clubs. There is not much information in this blog that wouldn’t be just as effective at a university library, laundromat, or cafe.

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    • on July 20, 2011 at 12:04 pm (R)Evolutionary

      I think you misunderstand the frame of the Chateau. Most of the stuff here is about the inner state, the mindset of men who are attractive to women. It doesn’t have to be in bars, it’s not just night game. I don’t do much night game at all, and when I do, it’s still a lot of social circle stuff. What you are referring to is Daygame. Look it up. Krauser is the Man when it comes to approaches in daylight hours in coffeehouses, shops & on the street. Roosh is awesome too.

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  56. Back in the days the US government was badmouthing women instead of men:

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/visualculture/infectious21.html

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    • Now that’s what I’m talking about… she may look like a good wife, but she’ll divorce you, take your kids and money, and shack up with a biker and do meth!

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  57. Tiger Woods ex-wife is now sleeping with another man who had Rachel Uchitel as a mistress but got blind-sided in learning this fact.

    http://www.suntimes.com/6576829-417/elin-nordegren-stunned-to-learn-new-man-slept-with-tiger-woods-mistress.html

    Something tells me Elin Nordegren is attracted to the kind of guy that wants to sleep around.

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    • Hello Elin! You’re from Sweden where some of the hottest, tallest, family oriented men are. Why are you not in your homeland snatching one up?????

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      • Maybe she doesn’t like the way Swedish men are so feminized and willing to give away more than half their income in taxes.

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      • mmmm don’t know about that as a reason. If by “feminized” you mean one that takes care of his family, children and women, then I have to disagree. Swedish (and other Nordics/Scandanavian) men are the bomb. They are the hottest men on earth and the tallest. They dont need to prove anything to anyone. They are real men who take care of their women and families and that is why their country is thriving the way it is. I know feminism is quite strong there and often the Swedish women take for granted their men. But better believe there are plenty of hot chocolate women (most from Africa), Asian and Indian women willing to take up the slack those Swede girls won’t 😉

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    • Also, to be fair who the heck knew Tiger Woods was an unrelenting hoe? He had me fooled for sure….

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      • that’s because as a black woman, you don’t understand black men.

        (should i have capitalized the b’s?)

        that aside, tiger woods is the highest paid athlete in the world. this automatically opens up vast oceans of ready and willing pussy. he’d be a fool to not take a dip from time to time.

        the fact that this ‘news’ caught a lot of people off guard just means that people aren’t particularly bright when it comes to how the world really works.

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      • I expected more from him. It was jus tacky and tastless how he did his wife and family. I don’t understand for the life of me why if a man is not happy he just doesn’t be a man and officially cut his ties. He still had to pay out the wazoo anyway (for his infidelities), so why not be honest with the wife and make an agreement to end the marriage instead of risking her health (screwing nasty skanks, pornstars and strippers)? UGH

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      • I don’t understand for the life of me why if a man is not happy he just doesn’t be a man and officially cut his ties.

        because a man who cheats on his wife doesn’t necessarily do it out of overall unhappiness with the marriage. maybe she wasn’t putting out enough, or being kinky enough, or tiger simply needed some different pussy.

        this is a risk inherent to being in a committed relationship with an alpha.

        although he probably should have thought twice about marrying a swedish woman whose sister is a lawyer.

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      • ok. i guess I don’t understand. Marriage is not something ANYONE has to do or is forced to do. So if you know you are an Alpha male who will most likely need sex from women on regular basis, isn’t it selfish to marry a woman, impregnate her with your children, cheat on her and risk her sexual health? WHY even get married????? I don’t understand this. Its so selfish and unfair to the woman. This is the most disheartening part about cheating men. they don’t have to committ, but they do for their own selfish reasons (still knowing they are going ot get bored with one woman) while not thinking about their unsuspecting woman’s feelings.

        I am NEVER getting married. its not worth it…..

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    • Welcome to the wild, celebrity life, Elin… say hi to Snooki for us!

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  58. There is too much hype over extroverts. Sure, there are occasions where clearly being an extrovert is an advantage, but introverts are mysterious and that’s attractive. Some people are both either more extrovert than introvert or vis versa…..haha that’s moi, but at my core, I’m an introvert, but learned to survive being an extrovert! The best quality IS to have both and know when to turn either on when needed. Flexible boys…it works the best…not one or the other. BOTH! But, I do love introverts. It works for me. Can’t have two people talking at the same time. hehe!!

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  59. on July 20, 2011 at 9:28 am archmage_lo

    Spam here. Awesome video with a message that the betas should get.

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  60. Try hard…his game reminds me a little of the way Ryan Goseling chats up his future ex-wife in Blue Valentine.

    Lines that to me seem over the top….

    lots of “fuckin’…fuck off”…he sounds gay.

    ‘You’re too hot to be single….”

    “Part-time model…”

    “next time you’re in town….”

    “just call me then…”

    NO sexual chemistry..

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    • When I had just turned 30, I had a pretty rough patch where I was getting denied over and over — The Slump of 2004. I think I got shot down about 30 times in a row over a period of a few months. It was wearing down on my self esteem, mostly because I was lowering my own level by thinking “Well, I’m 30.” Combine that with a financially ruinous divorce and being quite the fat ass, I truly started believing my own bullshit.

      I was walking out of a Borders (R.I.P.) and had just gotten off the phone with my lawyer over another $20,000 I needed to pay to my soon-to-be-slut-ex, hanging up as I passed through the second set of doors into the sun. I was lost in thought, not really noticing where I was going, and all of this bottled-up frustration was ready to pop.

      Without really seeing anything around me, I just yelled out “FUCK! FUUUUUUUUUUCKING BITCH.”

      The quietest “What? Did I do something?” pulled me out of my dream state, my eyes focused properly and standing right to my front-left was a beautiful, young, redhead size 2 with pretty much the perfect physical configuration of female I could imagine.

      I physically shook off my retarded state of mind and started to talk to her. We ended up dating for 3 years, are still really close today (she lives in LA now) and I’ve always wondered how that non-opening opener worked. I never asked or pried, but I’ve come to the belief that she gets too much attention from guys, and here I was completely oblivious to her PLUS basically scaring the living shit out of her.

      Everything about game makes sense, but no one can put their finger on every maneuver because some aren’t realistic, practical or even sane. I do believe that pushing boundaries of your own is more important than pushing boundaries of society, but in this case, it was a lot of boundaries pushed all around. Wish I had it on video.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 12:10 pm (R)Evolutionary

        Great story, AB. Take it apart–there’s preselection implied in a display of anger–a very alpha moment, and a very natural and authentic one, the best kind. The ultimate expression of game is when those moments just roll on, just exude out of a man automatically. That means full congruence has been reached, and the man is one with his inner alpha. Very zen, of course.

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  61. Introvert game: When I used to go to the meat market bars, I would go on my own, but even I was wise enough to know that a wingman was helpful. So what I would do, is look for a guy who was also on his own, and talk to him for a minute. If you can’t even do this much, just leave, you’re not going to be able to talk to girls either. Then I would sort of recruit that guy to be an ad-hoc wingman, and approach a two-set. I could even say things quitely, like “i’m trying to help out my shy friend here” and get some amog points. It did work.

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  62. on July 20, 2011 at 9:49 am John Norman Howard

    It goes to show how low this society has fallen, women in particular, that they would tolerate such a clown walking up to them in public… especially starting a convo with “I saw you and I thought you looked fucking …”.

    Feh.

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    • Just as the manosphere slammed the feminist attempt to shame the Elevator Guy’s attempt to game a woman, most men would not agree that women themselves should “not tolerate” men “walking up to them in public”.

      We just had a post on that last week. I may be missing the difference because I don’t see one (Rebecca Watson did not “tolerate” the clown that “attacked” her).

      Technically, we should want a society where the brave among us can start a conversation with women by being honest like that. Only without the bad language.

      As it stands, I’m forced to pretend I need directions all the time.

      The last thing we want is a society where women shoot men down impolitely for trying. Most societies are sadly like this but, thankfully, it’s mostly the less intelligent of women who are impolite.

      I may be wrong but I sense once again that the White Nationalist mindset is more compatible with feminism than with the standard PUA/MRA mindset. The latter mindset may accept that women will brutally reject men for failure in conducting game, but it doesn’t think women are right to do this in most cases nor be nasty about it nor should anyone think the woman being approached is in anywhere superior to her approacher, on any kind of pedestal in the eyes of an impartial observer or in possession of any kind of right not to be approached by men in public.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 1:17 pm John Norman Howard

        This isn’t about a man approaching a woman, with an interest in starting an acquaintance and possible courtship… fail more.

        This is about a jerk on the street thinking he can go up to anyone, anywhere and spew whatever he likes.

        Alpha men don’t tolerate treatment of their breed-worthy women that way…

        Likewise, women worthy of bearing children don’t suffer these fools gladly…

        in a healthy society, that is… which was my original salient point.

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      • Your utopia is ill.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 1:40 pm John Norman Howard

        Actually, it’s this society that is ill… being an alleged pua willing to feast on the carrion just makes one an opportunistic scavenger… and yes, maggots and vultures and hyenas do have their roles in nature.

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      • I would not want to live in your “perfect” world. Your utopia is my distopia.

        Comrad.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 1:55 pm John Norman Howard

        I would not want to live in your “perfect” world. Your utopia is my distopia.

        Comrad.

        Obviously… to an hyena, the lion’s pride is distopian, indeed.

        Kamerad, to you..

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      • P.S. I hate social communists, such as yourself. Busybodies trying to preach to other people what they should or should not do.

        Take it to SIMS and get your nose out of my girls vaginas.

        Fucking social constructivist commie bastard.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 2:02 pm John Norman Howard

        Your rage has unbalanced you.

        Consider me more a national socialist… one who believes his women are not to be accosted cheaply on any street corner.

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      • Your women your pinko ass.

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      • @John Norman Howard

        Oh missed that… cheaply….so what woud be the correct figure that would make you happy?

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      • @John Norman Howard

        Consider me more a national socialist…

        Nazis… hate ’em.

        You must be at least Hauptdienstleiter, based on:

        one who believes his women are not to be accosted cheaply on any street corner.

        Did not know you have a serail.

        I do too, but if one of my wenches falls for it, then she’s replaceable.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 3:03 pm John Norman Howard

        Nazi’s… hate ’em.

        Well, then… no need for conversation, hein?

        Besides, even hockey follows a third-man-in rule.

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      • Your salient pinko ass.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 2:36 pm John Norman Howard

        Apparently you’re more attuned to bandying words with women… always easier to be a hero in the parlour than on the field, what?

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      • Did you say something?

        Hey idiot – you’re wishes that people conform to your desires are impotent. Take it to the SIMS. That’s the only social reality you can control.

        Commie social constuctivists such as yourself are ill in the head.

        You are a commie feminist with a dick.

        Think about it.

        Fucking social busybodies such as yourself and your fucking social laws. Eat shit and then eat some more shit and then die from eating shit.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 2:47 pm John Norman Howard

        Tsk, tsk… and so soon after a thread about softening one’s negs.

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      • Tsk tsk. That’s your new name. Tsk pinko tsk.

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      • on July 20, 2011 at 2:53 pm John Norman Howard

        Your name, however, remains unchanged… it suits you admirably, in an onomatopoeic fashion.

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      • @John

        1 – In NS Germany, was it frowned upon for Aryan men to approach women in public? If so, please provide a link.

        2 – In NS Germany, was it frowned upon for male seniors to date women in their late teens and early twenties?

        Of course, for question 2, we know that Hitler mated with Eva Braun who was about 30 years younger than he was (I take after him in that Eva Braun fits the type I date now).

        We also know that Goebbels dated women 30 years younger than himself.

        But, you know, I am not asking about the National Socialist “Leaders” but I am asking you about the beta Nazi followers; the dupes. Did they allow themselves to be manipulated by National Socialist ideology to “think of the big picture” and not approach hotter, younger tighter BDM Girls (Bundes Deutche Maedchen), especially if they were over 40?

        I know that farmers often impregnated the BDM girls who came to work on their farms. If the farmer was of good stock, he was encouraged to impregnate the young helpmates.

        Admittedly, Lebensborn was a place for young SS men to impregnate 16 year old Aryan girls. But didn’t married SS generals get the first pick of the newly arrived Maedels?

        Did powerful Nazi businessmen over 40 avoid hot 18 year old BDM girls?

        I fully agree with you that @Xsplat is wrong in calling you a commie. National Socialists hated commies but were, however, socialist collectivists where the LOWER ECHELON beta males let themselves be duped into “thinking about the big picture” while Hitler, Goebbels and Goering enjoyed the hedonistic lifestyle.

        Such always will be the case with “isms” and collectivists who “think of the big picture”. Their leaders will behave like the rest of us want to or do.

        I understand you don’t want to be a leader of anything if you are not now doing what Goebbels was doing with the young ladies.

        Meanwhile, Germany’s 100 year old nudist culture is falling apart because the Turkish immigrant population with the chaste young Turkish girls is replacing the population of gorgeous white girls that used to walk around naked all the time.

        The loss of the Volk in Germany means the loss of a century’s worth of German white girls who thought nothing about walking around naked.

        That’s a shame. All those pure German girls walking around naked. The memories are stark.

        Here’s a link:

        http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/20/us-germany-nudists-idUSTRE76J3KW20110720

        @Editor

        Isn’t it clear to you know that White Nationalists and PUA/MRAs have NOTHING IN COMMON.

        You seem to have a dream that WNs will learn something on your blog and take that back to their home blogs, but all most really want to do is subvert your message (with the exception of Tyrone).

        White Nationalist males over 25 generally do not want to fuck women 16-21.

        And they don’t want to see anyone else over 25 doing that ( again, Tyrone is the only exception I’ve seen – He’s cool with other men doing what they want although he limits himself to women over 21 and is married).

        If WNs, as a group, could raise the age of consent, they would.

        They would ally with the likes of Rebecca Watson to make it illegal for a man to approach a woman in public without background checks being done (over at Stormfront in 2006, they had to shut down the IMBRA thread because 50% of the Stormfront males agreed with the law and only 50% didn’t).

        Most PUAs and MRAs are political enemies with White Nationalist males who are seen as manginas for not wanting to have sex with the hottest young women (preferring to see themselves as the girls’ fathers even when they are not). They are seen as White Knighters for wanting to work with their older women folk (and ally with the liberal feminists) to get laws passed that, like IMBRA, regulate how a man can approach a female stranger or, like the federal Protect Act, make it a felony for an American man to give an expensive gift to a 17 year old girlfriend anywhere in the world.

        They’re control freaks with no power who WANT the power to be control freaks. They do find their power by voting for female politicians on the right while seeking alliance with liberal feminists on laws that regulate males’ sex lives.

        We only agree on being fiscally conservative and not in giving wealth transfers to feminists and minorities and not letting unattractive people enter a country in greater numbers than hotties.

        It does the manosphere a disservice for a blogger to let them think their anti-PUA and anti-MRA views are welcome when they’re more annoying and often less interesting than any feminist troll or the likes of David Alexander.

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 2:00 pm John Norman Howard

        Jerry’s tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing…

        For future reference, brevity is the soul of wit… indeed, often intelligence itself.

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 3:14 pm Ricardo di Matteo

        “I have a boyfriend” / “I’m not interested”

        What difference does it make? Rejection is rejection is rejection. Who cares whether its honest or dishonest?

        We all like to minimize our time on pointless shit, so the IHAB answer is all about minimizing time with pointless shit.

        Surely if you get rejected it’s your game to blame?

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      • John Norman Howard

        This is about a jerk on the street thinking he can go up to anyone, anywhere and spew whatever he likes.

        Alpha men don’t tolerate treatment of their breed-worthy women that way…

        Likewise, women worthy of bearing children don’t suffer these fools gladly…

        Most excellent – a man after my own thoughts.

        You will find senor Splats most enjoyable sport, btw.

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      • Jerry,
        I think the best way to deal with men you aren’t interested in hitting on you is just to give them a phone number to a public place, like the zoo.

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      • Best for who?

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      • For both. That way you don’t have to worry about coming up with a reason you aren’t interested, but you also don’t have to worry about him calling. He doesn’t have to get rejected right to his face either.

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      • Lara,

        Lol I used to try this (giving a wrong number) until cell phones came about. Now, some of the more aggressive jerks will actually call the number (while you’re standing there) when you give it to them. men are hilarious!

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      • I’m sure most men would disagree that this is best for the man.

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      • It may be an obvious form of social signaling to you, but to a lot of guys who don’t yet have tons of experience with women, this form of indirect communication is baffling and troubling and very irksome.

        We’d much prefer that white mean white, yes mean yes, and no mean no.

        Only the guys who have had hundreds and thousands of clues will get your clue. Other guys will just be pissed.

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      • Now, some of the more aggressive jerks will actually call the number (while you’re standing there) when you give it to them. men are hilarious!

        What did you expect? For a guy to let you blow him off right to his face with your two faced pretty lies? If you want to blow a guy off, blow him off. You don’t have to be cruel, and you don’t have to lie. A simple direct and friendly no thanks will do.

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      • X,

        For the record i was really young when I used to do that. You need to understand, some men will not take “no” for an answer. So when the boyfriend line didn’t work I’d just make up a number to get them away. But when cell phones came, men started getting hip to that and would call the number right then and there to see if you were lying. Now, while I still lie, i cannot bring myself to tell a guy “i have no interest in you”. I just can’t. I don’t feel that’s necessary. So I use an easy get away “i am dating someone/have a b/f”.

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      • So you’d prefer it if a woman just said, “No thank you, I’m not interested.” and then walked away?

        Is that surprising?

        Direct feedback is better than bullshit feedback.

        Men have codes of conduct. Unless you are gay, it would be wise to learn about the behaviors men prefer and expect.

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      • i don’t write down women’s numbers, i have them call my cell with theirs. no chance of bogus numbers that way.

        email addresses are a bit harder to verify on the spot, though.

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      • i have them call my cell with theirs

        Ya. I’m too lazy to learn my own number, so I’ll just hand them my phone and have them key in their number, then miss-call on the spot.

        A girl flirting who has no follow through is robbing my valuable time. I don’t take kindly to theft.

        There are girls online who do this for entertainment. I berate them, when appropriate.

        Fuck, or don’t fuck.

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      • @ Neecy: Could it also be that you as well are unable to view things from a female perspective? Its not that deep for me I can tell you. I just feel saying I have a b/f is simple and easy and doesn’t require a whole lot of explanation.

        You’re deflecting the question by putting up a straw… woman. Solipsism supreme.

        Now, though I know you do not tend to take things personally, don’t.

        Simple: This blog is a proof that men are capable of “seeing it” from woman’s perspective. Find a women’s blog that the opposite is true. I give you a year.

        Anecdote: When I was bout 13, I got an indirect lecture from my mother on women’s clues. She described a chance meeting at a bus stop with one of her former suitors. She was already married at the time. For a clue she used her hand to locate the departure while conversing with the guy, displaying her wedding ring. I asked “Why you simply did not say you’re married?” My mother siad: “Hmmm, I haven’t thought of that”. I thought from that moment on that girlz are weird and not quite… right.

        One thing that I value in a woman beside her looks is an ability to be direct. I try to teach my ladies, but it’s tough, intellectually, they get it, but they seem to have a hard time to incorporate it into they responses. It’s like they’ve been wired in that particular way and an override is nearly impossible.

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      • @Lara

        Men are too smart for that now, especially with cell phones. No matter how well the connection is with a woman (no matter how well they get along) the man will miscall her cellphone on the spot (or visa versa) to verify. If she gives him a land-line saying her cell phone isn’t working, he will call that on the spot from his cell phone and know quickly if it is the local zoo. Wrong numbers were not that common for me even back in the days when women lived with their parents and had to give their parents’ land-line numbers.

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      • What I’m saying girls, is that this is not how men communicate, and most men will not be able to comprehend this very female style of communication, and will not appreciate it.

        You are not sparing the mans feelings. You are merely provoking greater anger in him. He’ll feel you did him dirty.

        Men are straightforward. It’s a huge difference in communication styles between the sexes. We inherently dislike your female communication style. Loathe it, even. It’s anti-social.

        You birds think it’s social.

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      • So you’d prefer it if a woman just said, “No thank you, I’m not interested.” and then walked away?

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      • We’re honestly trying not to hurt anyone’s feelings. Honestly. that’s the real motive behind it. Its very akward to tell someone “I’m not interested in you” even though its implied. I don’t see why anyone needs to say that when you have a much easier excuse/lie like “I am dating someone/have a b/f”?

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      • lara,

        we’d really prefer it if you gave us your real number. but if it came down to it, yes, tell us you’re not interested, rather than feigning interest and giving us bogus contact info.*

        * unless that contact info is for a hotter friend

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      • but if it came down to it, yes, tell us you’re not interested,

        But the eternal solipsism of the female mind works this way “If he can’t read my mind, he’s not worth it anyway. Fuck em. The loser”

        Which is why I say that it takes men a great deal of trial and error to make any sense of female communication styles. It’s as if they are deliberately mysterious, therefore weeding out all but the men with the greatest experience with their bullshit ways.

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      • Women are a secret society, and the men who fuck em know the handshake.

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      • X,

        I get the feeling that women are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. Trying to be nice and evade possibly hurting someone’s feelings is a bad thing? I just think its women have it upon them to weed out guys who approach them that they are not interested in for whatever reason. The best and easiest way is IMO is to lie. lol What’s a little white lie if it doesn’t make the other person feel stupid? yeah I think its lame to give a wrong #, but a lot of women used to do moreso to the guys who wouldn’t take no for an answer. Nowadays its rare that a woman gives the wrong number.

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      • Neecy, as a woman, you are not capable of trying to understand things from a male point of view.

        I’m not telling you what is right or wrong. I’m telling you how men view the situation.

        If you want to continue to fool yourself into thinking that men want you to lie to them, go ahead. And then go away. This is a hall of learning, not a hall of sharing feewings.

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      • The problem is that a lot of men aren’t good at reading subtle social cues. It is obvious to me when a woman isn’t interested in a man, but a lot of men are oblivious to it. Think of some of the text message conversations that have been posted on here for an example.

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      • As a women, men don’t have a point of view. We don’t exist. The only thing that truly exists is the female perspective.

        So when I say that men don’t want to be lied to, you will surely thing “So what? Fuck em! I’m the one with the pussy. They pander to me.”

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      • Lara

        The problem is that a lot of men aren’t good at reading subtle social cues. It is obvious to me when a woman isn’t interested in a man, but a lot of men are oblivious to it.

        Yes, Lara, and the natural female inclination for such unschooled and socially not yet talented men is to keep them interested while not giving them what they want. Use them for gain, keep them for allies, but don’t fuck em. Let’s just be friends, and here is a little bit of flirting to keep your balls blue.

        Women benefit by this instinct. Men are hurt by it.

        Men, of course, don’t like it. We’d prefer you not give mixed signals. It should be obvious that the mixed signals suck our time, which you don’t value, but we do.

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      • Xsplat,

        You seem to be getting upset b/c as a woman I personally choose not to go the “i am not interested in you” route. isn’t it implied that whether a woman says she has a b/f or whether she tells you she is not interested that the end result is – she’s not interested i.e things aren’t going to move further? So why not be easy about it, is where I come from. It doesn’t matter what she says b/c if she were interested whether she had a b/f or not she would give a guy her number. I don’t think you can speak for all men. Some men may appreciate a woman not truly telling him “im not interested in you” while others may want the hard cold truth.

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      • <iisn’t it implied that whether a woman says she has a b/f or whether she tells you she is not interested that the end result is – she’s not interested

        no, they’re not the same thing.

        when a woman says ‘i have a boyfriend’, this is not a definitive ‘i’m not interested’ statement. you may think it is, because you use that to ‘let guys down easy’, however those of us who actually date women know that the ‘i have a boyfriend’ line is more often than not a form of shit test and a way to displace responsibility off herself should she choose to step out on her boyfriend. a woman does not close the door with that line.

        so, when a guy gets the ‘i have a boyfriend’ line, he’s got nothing to lose by ignoring/deflecting the comment and continuing the pursuit.

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      • “however those of us who actually date women know that the ‘i have a boyfriend’ line is more often than not a form of shit test and a way to displace responsibility off herself should she choose to step out on her boyfriend.”

        Hmmm. If she’s that concerned with removing responsibility from herself and If she’s going to step out on her b/f, she won’t come out and say she has a “b/f” she will say she is just “dating here and there” but “its nothing serious”. BUT I have had fair success with saying “ooh thank you, but I am dating someone right now and I’m really happy”. I just think its more courteous and easy.

        “a woman does not close the door with that line.”

        Saying “I’m not interested” doesn’t always close the door either. There was only ONE time I went outside the “I have a b/f” line and I regretted it b/c I found myself having to explain “why” I chose not to see anyone and “how do I know unless I give it a try”. Its just akward. It also opens the door for him to start asking questions like “why” which makes it even harder and that is not a place I think most women want to go.

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      • Yes, Neecy, I do speak for all men.

        But, as I said, since you are a women, it is mentally impossible for you to even attempt to view things from a male perspective.

        The eternal solipsism of a female mind.

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      • There was only ONE time I went outside the “I have a b/f” line and I regretted it b/c I found myself having to explain “why” I chose not to see anyone and “how do I know unless I give it a try”.

        the ‘i have a boyfriend’ line works well on guys who don’t know any better (i.e. betas).

        It also opens the door for him to start asking questions like “why” which makes it even harder and that is not a place I think most women want to go.

        you don’t need to go there, though. you’re under no obligation to explain yourself, so you can always say ‘sorry, gotta run’ and walk away if you feel uncomfortable. of course, this isn’t a guarantee that he won’t follow you and keep pestering you if he’s a beta.

        most normal guys can take the hint when it’s delivered in a neutral way.

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      • most normal guys can take the hint when it’s delivered in a neutral way.

        There was a time when I couldn’t take a hint. And I’ve known of other guys who’ve had similar periods. In order to get me to hear no, a person would have to say no.

        Yes, it was clueless. I doubt I was the only clueless man. I’m hearing people here say that I was not – that men are often clueless.

        I can say from experience, that at the time, I greatly preferred a real no to face saving double faced obfuscation. It was unkind to lead me on.

        Now, women may simply not care about being kind to socially unaware men. Fine. But don’t go protecting your saintliness by proclaiming you are being kind to all concerned.

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      • When women are sending “obvious” social signals, these signals are not, in fact, obvious.

        Men don’t send these same signals. Men are direct.

        Unless a man has had a great deal of romantic dealings with women, he has no way of interpreting these “obvious” signals.

        It’s not just autistics and spergs who miss social cues. Men can’t possibly understand womens social signalling innately. We don’t talk, think, feel, or act socially in the same way as women do. We use entirely different rules and social signals.

        A man who becomes adept at speaking with women is learning a new language.

        That’s basically what is taught here on this blog. We discuss decades of decoding femme speak such that men don’t have to go through decades of bullshit to get laid.

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      • by ‘hint’ i meant the ‘i’m not interested’ line.

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      • Ya, “I’m not interested” is direct enough.

        Yes, it does risk the painful and stupid rejoinder of “but why not?”.

        Such is life. Sometimes relations are painful.

        I once had a girl answer “Oh God! You’re not going to ask THAT question, are you? I hate it when people ask that question”.

        I was forced to then leave it at that.

        Yes, I was a clueless herb.

        But that’s just normal. The good news is that it’s not state of personality, it’s a state of ignorance.

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      • (this is the longest tree I’ve see in my entire life. lol)

        ITSME,
        I don’t know. The betas who approach me are much more laid back and somewhat shy about asking for the digits. I’ve not had to say the b/f line to them b/c They’ll make conversation but when it comes time to close the deal they clam up and wait for me to do it, and I simply won’t. Its the aggressive types I am usually saying “i have a b/f” to. I thought Betas weren’t aggressive? Either way, i’m just going to stick to what makes me comfy *shrug*

        XSPLAT

        “since you are a women, it is mentally impossible for you to even attempt to view things from a male perspective.”

        Could it also be that you as well are unable to view things from a female perspective? Its not that deep for me I can tell you. I just feel saying I have a b/f is simple and easy and doesn’t require a whole lot of explanation.

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      • Neecy

        “since you are a women, it is mentally impossible for you to even attempt to view things from a male perspective.”

        Could it also be that you as well are unable to view things from a female perspective?

        You’re really not worth talking to.

        For the sake of any men in your life, I hope you can fuck, cook and clean.

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 4:14 am Emma the Emo

        I’d have to agree – noone likes mixed signals. In my experience, it’s better to simply tell a guy you aren’t interested. Sometimes they start begging after that though, and it takes half an hour to convince them that you really aren’t interested, and get them to let you go. It’s kinda time-consuming but better than lying. I wouldn’t want to be lied to either, and finding out someone rejected me through lying would be extremely irritating. It’s not an exclusively male reaction at all, I believe.

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      • It’s not an exclusively male reaction at all, I believe.

        What is sex polarized is the natural desire to be either direct, or indirect.

        Males enforce a strong social code of truth telling. Men who haven’t been romantic with large numbers of women have not had the opportunity to learn that women view truth in an entirely different way.

        Truth is useful to women only when it is convenient. If the lie is more convenient, then she “had no choice”.

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      • XSPLAT,

        Instead of being cool about it and saying to me to try being more direct with men (which I was unaware men preferred), you prefer to judge and demean. I am new to these boards. i am learning about a lot of things on how men think. This is one in which I was unaware (the preference for us telling them we are not interersted in them vs. lying to not make them feel bad). Cut some slack….

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    • I’d agree that it’s unfortunate that men these days tend to do best with the 18-21 age group by getting raunchy right away. And this would include not only the west but almost all of EE and Russia.

      Just yesterday I got a date with a waitress of that profile “the proper way” by saying I was looking for a girl like her to court in preparation for proper marriage and that I wanted kids. She had stood with her face an inch from mine acting like that was such a great idea.

      For a few hours before the date, I was actually hoping I’d met a traditional marriage-oriented girl I could actually breed with.

      But on the date itself (a few hours later) she immediately moved into my space, put her face an inch from mine and said “I’m too young for a serious relationship right now. I want to date around.” which was a code signal demanding that I immediately switch to trying to have sex with her right away which was the way she wanted the conversation to go .

      If I were a holy roller, unable to switch to raunchy imagery of what I’d like to do with her, the acquaintanceship would have ended right there. She made that very clear.

      Note that, in 4 years, this woman will become a “traditional marriage minded” type of woman and she will pretend to beta providers that she’s still a virgin.

      ————–

      The best thing about that video was the way almost none of the women were rude to Sasha. He may have left those cuts out however. That in itself makes the video a great advertisement for doing game in London.

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    • nah, the word ‘fucking’ is barely even a cuss word for brits.

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  63. This isn’t too far removed from the kind of game I run, no metrosexual look or anything but the hyper-animation is an important part of my game, and being British I’ve done it on many girls like the ones in this video in the middle of London. Maybe it’s just a British thing, I’ve only ever done this around Europe and Asia, never been to America as an adult, but it works for me.

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  64. on July 20, 2011 at 10:39 am Rollo Tomassi

    This isn’t dork Game, it’s Cosmo Kramer (Seinfeld) Game.

    Sasha rattles Game off like a meth addict with too much energy and nothing to direct it at. In his effort to sell himself and his PUA cred, he methodically machine-guns off one technique after the next in order to give his audience examples of various types of interplay that would normally work in more specific contexts. However, since it’s next to impossible to control for those genuine, spontaneous and specific conditions he prattles on from one dynamic to another hoping one will give him a foothold with a girl.

    This is most obvious when he intentionally provokes a ‘boyfriend disclaimer’ from one girl. The idea is that he does this to preempt the BFD, and defuse it, but prompting it at such an early stage in a sarge only telegraphs his sales job to her. It is of course far better to allow a woman to casually slip a ‘boyfriend disclaimer’ into a natural conversation and then riposte with something C&F, thus passing the shit test, illustrating you’re undeterred by it and DHV in the same opportunity. Here Sash attempts to provoke that opportunity in order to give his “students” and example of dealing with a BFD before it’s even offered by the girl. Lame.

    Always let a woman figure out why she wont fuck you, never do it for them.

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    • Yeah, he handles shit like a shitty street magician. Like if a ghetto homeless crackhead David Blaine wanted to show some lame tricks all at once out on the street for pocket change. When he asks if she has a boyfriend it’s like asking “IS THIS YOUR CARD?” without even setting up the trick and explaining you have a deck and she should pick a card and he’s gonna guess what it is. Instead he just dives in for no fucking reason and it looks stupid and makes no sense. In no way is this interaction casual or cool, it looks like exactly what it’s intended to be–a PUA shitinformercial

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  65. Roissy, check out the obvious
    Couples are happier when wives are skinnier

    http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2239563&spid=

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  66. Jesus Christ. I’m fairly extroverted, but there is no way I could work myself up into the proper frame of mind to be able to run this sort of game.

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  67. I’ve always believed that it’s best to err on the side of less, not more – as well as on the side of patience over persistence.

    Filling the air with words and movements runs the risk of removing your personal aura of mystery.

    Always speak slowly and purposefully – and with economy. John Wayne spoke slowly. Everyone listened to John Wayne. Spastic idiocy works better if you’re a comedian – and even then, save it for the stage.

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  68. PS, I’d call this Conan O’Brien game. He interviews her like she’s on a talk show, makes funny jokes on the side, self-deprecates, and flirts. Asking if she had a man in her life – that was lame. I did enjoy the cutaway to the passer-by’s boobs at that moment, though. Nice camera work.

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  69. All game that doesn’t make the girl invest, as in opening you, reopening you, revealing stuff about herself, etc. FAILS.

    This clown doesn’t let the girl talk. This is not real game. Does this cartoonish clown really get paid to teach students about getting women? You don’t attract a girl by verbally cornering her. I’m sure women mock him for days to their friends after he approaches them.

    All his approaches are a DLV monologue. If you believe this can work, you’re a clueless beta who can’t get laid. Use “nice shoes, wanna fu*k?” and you’ll save more time and be more efficient.

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  70. I don’t have the audio on, but this looks ridiculous. Unless you’re driving a Maserati or you’re a local celebrity, you should not be stopping random chicks on the street who don’t know you from a can of spraypaint. “Daygame” is more appropriate for the girl reading alone in Barnes & Noble or the chick perusing the organic veggie section at Whole Foods.

    The best game, I’ve found, is to move within as many social circles as possible. The cold approach, whether in a bar or on the street, is often difficult to pull off. And if you do oget the digits, a girl is more likely not to return your call.

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    • difficult to pull off? sure, but some guys relish the challenge.

      you should not be stopping random chicks on the street who don’t know you from a can of spraypaint.

      nothing illegal or even immoral about chatting with a random chick on the street you don’t know. the women are free to disengage and leave at any time.

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  71. I have a question….as PUA, do u all consider yourselves “true” alpha men or is that title reserved for men who are naturally charming without trying? Also, what is an alpha female?? A lot of feminists believe that theyre alpha if theyre pretty, smart, leaders but I think u all may have a different definition. Thanks!

    PS: I’m a woman but not a feminist, just curious about the PUA community. Thanks! ❤

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    • Personally I don’t consider myself a PUA, nor would I bother to characterize myself as alpha. The term alpha is not a definition of personality traits or behaviors or styles. It’s a loose category that holds a multitude of archetypes and styles and habits. The only over-arching principle that creates the category is that these archetypes, styles, and habits are sexually and emotionally appealing to women.

      We don’t use the word here as a handle on what someone is, or isn’t. It’s a name only, not a thing. It’s a category, not a noun. It is a placeholder concept for whatever women find attractive.

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    • As in everything there are variations in preference for women, but in general an alpha female is that women who elicits the most sexual desire in men. Often the most important criteria for this is raw physical beauty, in other words, hotness. Such woman has many options regarding the kind of men she wants to date.

      However, for LTRs there may be other factors that at least to me, seem important, but definitivately there must be some physical attraction.

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    • The “PUA community” is a joke. Lots of men lack confidence and need advice from more experienced men but the PUA ‘gurus’ attract these men and make them spend thousands of $$ on bootcamps, workshops and whatnot.

      In short: there’s a real demand for guidance but the supply side has a lot of scammers and weirdos. Some of them are worth paying money to learn from but chances are you’ll run out of money before you find the right guy.

      On the other hand this blog gives real advice, for free.

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  72. Sasha seemed cool, but I think if girls don’t return his calls, it means it’s probably because they think he does it all the time. He was like a funny showman.

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  73. Introversion has a lot of strength to it. All introverted means is that you “recharge” via alone time rather then by being around others. It means you’re your own source of strength and do not rely on others. It’s no excuse to be a social retard or something. A lot of Alphas were introverted. Read General Douglass MacArthurs biography. He was definitely social, but contemplative in as introverts tend to be, and his introversion gave him strength even in war, which can be lonely at times, especially during night watch. Introverts can be leaders, warriors, preachers, even comedians. They just need to use introversion to their advantage – use alone time to grow and develop. Having to work on social skills or whatever is an opportunity to learn and master something.

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  74. This self proclaimed PUA has no concept of game.

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  75. “Always let a woman figure out why she wont fuck you, never do it for them.”

    Golden.

    As an introvert my problem is initiating convo and keeping it flowing. For example, the other day a divorced 6 (she was caught cheating on her ex) asked me if I had a Facebook page. All I could think to say was “no.” Doh! The witty lines usually come to me afterwards. ( I should of said “Are you gonna stalk me?”). Also, I once briefly slept with an older woman who was going through a divorce (yes another divorce’) and after every roll in the hay, lying together silently she would always ask me “What are you thinking?” I usually said “nothing.” Things fizzled quickly.

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  76. good post, the video was entertaining, just more crappy competition who really cares they’re too try hard leave them be, better than most guys who dont try at all

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  77. “Lol I used to try this (giving a wrong number) until cell phones came about. Now, some of the more aggressive jerks will actually call the number (while you’re standing there) when you give it to them. men are hilarious!”

    I give out false email addresses to women after one-night stands if I don’t want to see them again. I just tell them my cell is through work and I cannot take personal calls.

    Being a typical woman, I bet you think this is awful and mean while giving phony numbers to men is funny and clever and something to laugh about with your fellow hens.

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    • *sigh* I explained I was YOUNGER when I did this AND that I only did it with super aggressive guys who would not take no for an answer. I guess i could have done the other alternative and told them to “get away from me I told you I have a b/f and I’m not interested”. Then that’d be bitchy. Its damned if we do and damned if we don’t. i dont agree with giving the wrong number, but when you are young you do dumb shit.

      regarding you giving the fake email addresses. A mans gotta do what a man’s gotta do. If you put it on a woman too good in one night, she may become a stalker. LOL

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  78. Neecy

    Lol I used to try this (giving a wrong number) until cell phones came about. Now, some of the more aggressive jerks will actually call the number (while you’re standing there) when you give it to them. men are hilarious!

    older women are at a disadvantage bc the men they get are likewise older and wise to older women’s phone tricks.

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    • Fire,

      Possibly – depending on the woman not so for A woman who looks 7-10 years younger than she is. I’m in my 30’s and definitley can pass off for mid 20’s. Its mainly the young guys who do this, not the older ones actually. And actually most guys don’t do this anymore. Many will just ask you to call their number so yours is already in the phone.

      Older guys usually are a lot smoother with their pick up and don’t come right out asking for the digits. They, most likely will chat and make small talk and get you to get your guard down. Younger guys just pounce. LOL

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      • “I’m in my 30′s and definitley can pass off for mid 20′s”

        Do u ever stop making up bs? I can spot an old brawd easy. The only guy who would mistake u for mid-20’s is a guy gaming u for pussy. In any form or fashion he is merely being GENEROUS in an attempt to win favor. Why not state your age for what it is instead of 30’s?

        See guys, women actually BELIEVE the game being fed to them. In their eyes. if a man says it, it is true.

        For any guy here that takes Neecy’s comments to heart and allows her viewpoints influence him, he is being setup for failure. True story

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      • I once had a fling with a married 42 year old woman, as a 31 year old man. The sex was good and we clicked in ways I haven’t clicked with anyone before or since, so the relationship inevitably slid into something far too serious.

        But I’m getting off track. She’d often tell me that she looks like a much younger woman.

        What was I supposed to say? “No, you really don’t. You look exactly your age, as does pretty well any woman”.

        I never said anything. Just stayed mum and let her supply her own much needed confirmation. “All my friends say that! Men say that to me all the time!”

        My friends said that she looked exactly as old as she was. Age is what it is.

        The lips dry out. The voice starts to go cackly. The ass drops. And then all the wrinkles everywhere.

        It’s truly heartbreaking.

        I was too much of a futurist at the time, and expected a cure for aging to be just around the corner. I was as deluded an in need of wish fulfilling fantasies as she was. Fact was, it could not have worked. Love does not conquer all.

        She needed an older, wealthier authority figure of a man, and I needed multiple hotties.

        I eventually got what I wanted. After her divorce and after we split, she dated another younger guy, as one of many, then he left her. Not sure what happened after that.

        Age is a kick in the teeth for girls. No wonder they lie to themselves about it. Denial is their best and only medicine.

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      • Thats the woman/women YOU KNEW. Black don’t crack baby. I am living proof. i don’t have a need to lie to myself about my age nor how young I look. I didn’t make this up myself. PEOPLE in general tell me I look younger than I really am. People who are not getting anything from me and have nothing to gain by telling me this.

        DENIAL? Lol some of you fellas are living in it as well – believe that! Some of you men don’t really see yourselves as women really see you. I’ll leave it at that.

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 12:14 pm a.nonny.mous

        @neecy:

        Black don’t crack baby.
        —No, blacks do crack

        PEOPLE in general tell me I look younger than I really am.

        —Young and busted is still busted, honey.

        Some of you men don’t really see yourselves as women really see you.

        —Women see men as men choose to let women see them.

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      • That’s good to know that blacks don’t age, and that since men can have denial, your denial isn’t important, and so not existent.

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      • necy, dont let those kj’s get you down about your age. they’re just gaming you.
        all the black girls i’ve had always looked younger. They took care of htemselves. they didn’t get fat, werent ghetto

        the Ideal is that black chick from the movie Clueless

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      • XSPLAT,

        I don’t wanna fight with you. Can we just make up and be friends already? *kisses*?

        FIREPOWER,

        Help me!!! I am being visciously assaulted. I need some Firepower. LOL And yes – Stacey Dash – freakin hottie.

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      • LOL! Sweetheart I am a Black woman and most all my Black friends still look much younger than we really are. You are more than welcome to see me as “an old brawd” I could really care less. State my age? Does it matter? I said in my 30’s and that’s all you need to know.

        I live my life day to day. Men and women people on my job, my customers all assume I am younger than I really am. My doctor tells me the same and even told me (before I started losing weight) taking off the weight would even make me look younger. The consensus being mid to late 20’s. I guess they are also trying to “game me for pussy too” right?

        Half the time the younger guys assume I am their age – they don’t even mention it. The older guys are the only ones who really ask directly how old I am. And for all the weight I am in the process of losing I am looking EVEN YOUNGER.
        SO don’t hate 😉

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm a.nonny.mous

        I am a Black woman and most all my Black friends still look much younger than we really are.

        —of course you do. Keep telling yourself that, ghetto queen.

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      • Hating will age you my dear. Don’t do it!

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm a.nonny.mous

        Hating will age you my dear.

        —ghetto queens always think telling the truth=hating.

        Black liberals can’t handle reality, so they escape into fantasy.

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      • So let’s go facts:

        >35
        >black
        >overweight
        >has a arguing opinion on everything
        >never wrong
        >won’t post a pic

        Ghetto troll queen confirmed. no man to keep ya company huh. I wondah why

        See guys, give em enough rope and it’s easy to see behind the keyboard for what she really is.

        This isn’t hottie here, it’s a 4 at best trying to make sense of why she has been pumped and dumped all her life even though people say nice things to her.

        Newsflash honey, u r being lied to for the same reason u tell men u have a bf. People dont want to hurt your feelings.

        We live in a PC society and u r the latest overinflated fatty ego girl who thinks she’s an 8 when in fact u r a 4

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      • on July 21, 2011 at 1:53 pm Rollo Tomassi

        >black
        >overweight
        >has a arguing opinion on everything
        >never wrong

        Uh, Oprah?

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  79. Forum thoughts on best posted videos on a more laid back, alpha style pickup?

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    • Pretty much the opposite of Sasha The Hairbunned Clown.

      Men tend to be direct and to-the-point because we like to be treated that way. Women don’t. They want to be nudged and cajoled and pulled. Subtlety, trickery, cleverness, things left unsaid, unspoken implications. Misdirection. There’s a reason it’s called game.

      Even if you are making a direct approach, it has to feel like serendipity to her. These kinds of successes can’t be captured on video, they aren’t spectacular enough for the camera. You can’t detect a woman suppressing her explosion of nervousness except, maybe, in extreme close up.

      There are no simple clips of it online, but the best portrayal of this kind of fuck-me capture ever put on film is the opening bar scene of episode 7 of The Sopranos season 2, called “D-Girl.”

      http://www.videobb.com/watch_video.php?v=2lwtdoAERj0u
      [scene starts at 2:15, reaction around 4:15, mook’s banging her by 28:00]

      It takes a skilled actress and a close-up shot to properly convey the interior reaction.

      If you just want to see blunt openers in action, you won’t get better than Sasha. But how do you film a girl deliberately avoiding your attention to keep from being sucked into your magnetic draw? The captured are indistinguishable from the indifferent except on the micro-level, detectable only in person. “Laid back” is too laid back for video.

      Sasha is the Jackson Pollock of PUA. It is interesting to watch the postmodern artist flip his spooge all over the place, but there’s nothing to show for it in the end but sloppy scribbles. Good PUAs are like the old masters, setting the scene, working at their own pace, leaving inexplicable figures on the canvas that only cohere into something wonderful upon completion. The pickup is just the beginning of a masterpiece, and it isn’t always interesting or illuminating to observe in isolation.

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      • Do you have a blog? Where can I read more of King A.

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      • I think with a good mic, you could hear a lot of it in the voice and a discreet camera could get enough of the body language to give folks a better feel for how masters do it.

        But I can’t think of any great examples on film. Roissy — and can he please return to that name just for simplicity — posted a good example of alphadom with a Robbie Williams performance.

        Anyway, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE because five decent videos would teach readers more than a thousand pages of explanation.

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  80. “Women are a secret society, and the men who fuck em know the handshake.”

    Yet another gem.

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  81. KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  82. To any gentlemen here – I’m a bit confused. I tried looking for previous blog post that covers this and couldn’t find it, but do men prefer women who they approach tell them straight out they are “not interested”, or is it best for a woman to be courteous and say “i have a b/f” as to not make the guy feel bad?

    I’m taking heat for simply saying its nicer for a woman to tell a little white lie to avoid possibly making a guy feel akward. I just think saying “im not interested” is not really nice and is akward for both parties. It leaves too much for him to interpret negativley not to mention doesn’t always allow for a clean break/get away for the girl.

    Is this wrong?

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    • just continue doing what works for you.

      the conflict here is due to demographics. this is a pua blog, so we tend to perceive what women say a bit differently than the men you actually meet do.

      saying ‘i’m not interested’ in a neutral, non-bitchy way isn’t negative; it’s direct and to the point. there’s always a chance a guy might take it negatively, but that’s a problem with him, not you.

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      • All I am saying is I don’t think its fair for a man to judge any woman for how she chooses to handle rejecting a man – especially if she chooses a more indirect way as a way to avoid making someone feel akward.

        But yo’re right. These PUA boards are a complete different breed of men.

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      • Hey Neecy! I don’t know how you do it. I would be pulling my hair out by now, talking to these guys (damaged). Like I said, I read this blog for amusement only. I would rather learn about how non-damaged men think. But you seem to be enjoying the exchanges, so carry on, Neecy.

        And by the way, you do look good for your age and continue working on the weight as you have been. Weight loss will definitely make you appear much younger – exercise is key.

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      • LIZA,

        I told you I’m a glutton for punishment! I’m back at work but I have so much admin stuff to catch up on and complete so I’m tempted to keep posting while I’m home and online. *arrrrgh* Next week I’ll be back in the field. I should probably be working on that project we started – more productive huh?

        “I would rather learn about how non-damaged men think. ”

        If you find that site, please link it to me! I’m starting to feel jaded about men the more I am here. But its like I’m a moth attracted to the flame. things are so slow at the other sites (and i officially stopped posting on *that* dramafied other site you know which one that is) – but when you’re at home, nothing much going on, this site is very entertaining and interactive.

        Thanks dahling for the encouragement/compliment. We definitley gotta hook up again (I’ll be back in town for Thxgiving) and do something.

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      • Neecy,

        So, you’re still on board to work on that project. Great. I wish I knew a blog like that myself (I think I’ll do a search but I’ll probably come up dry — it seems that the nut-jobs have the blogosphere on lock).

        I’m definitely looking forward to us hanging out again and possibly working together.

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      • Yeah I think I’m ready to start that project now. Things have gotten back to normal. I told you this time next year i want to be my own inc. We can do it – gotta focus!

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      • Diet is easy

        If it wasn’t available 100 years ago don’t buy it or eat it.

        Stay out of the center of the grocery store. All the plants, veggies, an meat are on the outside

        I’m a 5’4 former Marine and I’m in the best physical shape of my life.

        30 pullups
        deadlift 255lbs x 5
        Bench 185
        Seated Overhead press 135 x 5

        Two factors matter for weight loss. Diet and exercise.

        Any prepackaged food is gonna be garbage compared to natural foods. Any elliptical bs at the gym will suck. I dunno why women gravitate to those. I only ever see fat chicks on em. Any lean girl is doing a real workout

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      • Yes i am starting to believe I should probably put more focus on a complete diet overhaul (while exercising) to see if this will garner better/quicker results.

        I went to a crossfit class with a friend this week and i was really discouraged. The person doing the training did not look slim/fit to me. So I wondered how can someone be training a class like this and not look ideal in terms of being fit? it was a pretty intense workout too! But She had really big legs and was very flabby. needless to say, i decided not to join b/c I want to look at my exercise coach and be motivated.

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      • Actually, Liza, exercise is NOT the key to weight loss, and a lot of common standard exercise does the opposite by increasing your cortisol hormone response in the blood stream, increasing insulin resistance, increasing acute and systemic inflammation in the body, increasing hunger, and decreasing recovery time.

        Diet is the key. No grains, no fructose, low glucose, no sucrose, no plant oils (corn, soy, canola, etc). High saturated fat diet (70% calories of saturated fat total) and you’ll shed weight no matter what your age — and be healthier in as little as 21 days.

        Keep your non-scientific insights to your diary.

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      • Is this why I’m seeing slow progress? I am exercising, but i feel I am not losing quickly as I should. So far I have lost 15lbs. (my pic is how I look now down 15lbs.) but it seems I have reached a plateau. I’m looking at losing another 20-35lbs. although i am being discouraged b/c some feel that may be too thin. but with my age I feel i need to get as low as possible.

        I honestly haven’t overhauled my diet as completely as I should. This seems to be the issue with the plateau.

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      • A.B. Dada,
        Exercise IS the key to more healthy body. This cortisol and inflammation you mentioned applies only to overtraining and there’s no need to discourage people from exercising because of this danger which can be easily prevented.

        Obsessing too much about what to eat (=no grains? high SATURATED fat diet? Are you joking? :S) is actually more harmful than exercising regularly and eating normal food. Didn’t you notice that people who talk what to eat and what not to eat all the time are usually fat? And people who enjoy food and eat what they like are usually skinny?

        Neecy,

        keep exercising regularly (be careful not to overtrain and be careful not to injure yourself) and eat healthy and delicious food (instead of healthy and tasteless) and I’m sure you’ll be able to lose weight! If you have problems with overeating because of emotional problems/stress, think about your falling SMV and this should help – you don’t have much time left to be beautiful, and why not be beautiful now when you are still young? In ten or fifteen years it will be too late! Don’t wait! Be beautiful now! Now you can be beautiful and young, in fifteen years you’ll be only beautiful and old. So you have to lose weight NOW. But don’t starve yourself! (Actually this will cause the cortisol to increase, not regular exercise! –> and as you know, stress/cortisol is very harmful, so try to reduce stress in your life as much as you can – when I’m stressed I go swimming or I go to sauna (It’s MUCH better than self-harming, although I still use destructive ways to deal with stress :S).

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    • I never gave any advice for what you should do.

      I did mention that it is not a kindness to men to be so indirect as to be insincere and waste his time and attentions.

      Obviously it is to womens advantage to do this. Otherwise they wouldn’t do it. So if it’s to your advantage, I wouldn’t counsel you not to do it.

      I have clearly said that rationalizing that it is in mens best interest is false. Men don’t like it. Do it for selfish reasons, if you must, but spare us the Ms. Good Girl act.

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    • on July 21, 2011 at 12:18 pm Emma the Emo

      Hmmm.. I’m not sure if it helps (since I’m not a guy), but how would you rather be rejected? With “I’m not interested” or “I have a gf”? I’m curious.

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      • “I have a g/f”. B/C there is only two reasons he would say that (1) he really does have a g/f or (2) he’s not interested in me but just wants to be nice about it.

        If someone is interested in you, they will proceed with exchanging numbers whether they have a g/f or b/f or not. The way i put it always is “ooh you know, I do have a b/f and I’m really happy with my relationship. But thank you for the compliment” yada yada….

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      • on July 23, 2011 at 5:52 am Emma the Emo

        Ok, thanks for the explanation 🙂

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  83. Guys do yourelf a favor ..take acting classes ..great way to find out how to use your instrument (body thoughts emotions intuition instinct) … plus usually more women than men …improv classes are really good..and some basic exercises are killer.. a good acting class can be creative, therapy, support, education and growth.. you’ll expand your circle get invited to artistic things (if your normal) and expose yourself to outside the box thinking feeling ..if you are masculine ..women will adore you..work on your Brando..

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  84. I think the lesson to take away from this is: if you interact with women AT ALL you vastly increase your chances of getting laid.

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  85. You guys all on some kind of e-mail alert for new posts? By the time I get here, I’m 180+ messages deep into the ghetto.

    FAIL. What is the takeaway from this video? The “PUA” failed every time. It is true he left an impression that the girls won’t soon forget, but to what end? The idea isn’t to shovel the maximum amount of numbers into your cell phone. The idea is to make a connection that compels the woman to fall into your orbit — pull don’t push. Any socially desensitized robot can impose himself on a woman until she reasons her quickest, cleanest escape is to give digits, be they fake or real.

    Wrong mission. It’s hard even to draw negative lessons from this caricature because he seems to have an entirely different agenda than we do. He doesn’t seem to be there to actually make a connection. He seems to be set on demonstrating his social bravery for the camera.

    The Doggie Paddle. The speed of his conversation indicates he is afraid of pauses. He is treading water the whole time — treading treading treading — and if he stops, he drowns. He makes a superficial impression of “command” because he is commanding the silences and disallowing them. But self-labeled PUAs don’t tread water. They swim elegantly. They get somewhere.

    Making a scene. The women are constantly looking around rather than at him. Why? He is a spectacle, a loud gong that is setting her on edge rather than into a state of relaxed compliance. They are anxious about being part of a street spectacle in the middle of the crowd, and their instinct is to flee rather than to pay attention. PUAs don’t create a scene, they move seamlessly into intimacy.

    Roast peacock. He is dressed like an out-of-work, cereal slurping, Xbox-playing schlub. You can see the wire over his flabby torso. Are those pajama bottoms? STFU about the biceps. “Peacocking” is too clever by half. It follows the logic of bad PR is good PR, negative attention is better than no attention. But it does not consider the unnecessary obstacle of being asking women to be instantly, socially associated with an embarrassing circus sideshow. In other words, get a fucking haircut, shitbag.

    Bad routine. This was a comedian’s improv act. It was like a stand-up asking people in the audience “Where ya from?” and riffing off the answer. It takes some creativity and quick-thinking, perversely interesting to watch, but it is essentially irrelevant to making a solid street connection that will ever amount to a follow-up score.

    What is Game? Game is whatever anybody labels it, I guess. There are no standards. Some guy puts PUA.com after his name and becomes a recognized authority? To call this “dork-game” is to inappropriately dignify a socially-unaware autistic performer for aggressively accosting women on the street. The bravery of “approach” is a definite element of true game, but in repetitive isolation it amounts to shtick. Calling this “game” waters down the brand and confuses newbies.

    Slow but spazzy death. There was no focus. His mission was to prolong the approach, stall them in introduction, coasting as long as he could with nothing but weak resources devoted to the close. Like a plane out of gas, slowly losing altitude, you see the inevitable crash and you cringe. The macabre curiosity is: how long can he delay the inevitable?

    Good stuff. He does a couple things well. Put aside the total absence of follow-up: he does make a memorable impression, stands out against the bland surroundings, strokes a girl’s ego and makes her day, gets her thinking. Giving them nicknames was smart, too, not just for the clever flattery but because his need to distinguish women on his phone indicates she’d have serious competition, and she isn’t as special as the unusual attention might lead her to believe. Finally, inviting the “I got a boyfriend” talk early preempts and neutralizes her stock blow-off response, and at least he forces her to think of something else, unbalancing her. He is two chess-moves ahead. All that said, he bungles every one of his advantages rather than parlaying them into victories. Sun Tzu wept.

    The Canadian factor. What is it with PUAs from The Great White North? The Canucks are highly overrepresented in the community, same as they are in the comedian world. Canadians are envious little brothers of the HNIC of the world, the colossus bestriding the planet. They over-compensate with high energy and buffoonishness combined with a frightening lack of social awareness. They tend to never be relaxed in their own skin.

    Bachelor of Art. More than anything, this juggling clown demonstrates that pick up is an art not science. Maybe it’s more of a science than we traditionally considered it to be, but the “A” in “PUA” still stands for artist. The artist must adapt to circumstances, no single rule applies to every woman and every situation, he must modify on the fly. Having one weapon in your arsenal won’t do it. The opponent has a mind, multiple defenses, and experience deploying them. No battle plan survives first contact with the enemy.

    The bottom line. I like this guy. Any high-wire act demonstrates uncommon bravery. But the employment of his bravery and the awful follow-through is worse than useless. His exhibitionist street theater defeats the artistry and sends an ultimately counterproductive message.

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    • You’re starting to write better, King A, and you get the PUA thing more now. I don’t mean that condescendingly. In fact, your lack of condescension for the PUA community in that comment was refreshing.

      Some quick replies on the above:

      Alex scored the numbers of “only” the 2 hottest and youngest women he approached (He got two 19 year olds’ numbers. I don’t count the tiny 17 year old in the training bra). I’d take that result any day. All the women who rejected him were over 23 except maybe the one from Newcastle who had already been taken because she was hot and over 21.

      I’ve found the same thing happens to me. Mainly the 18-21 year olds respond best to street game. The older women are often taken if they’re beautiful and-or they know the wall is approaching and can’t risk getting involved with someone who seems to find it easy to meet women in public.

      You characterize his two successes as if you feel they were just trying to get rid of him. I didn’t see that and it’s possible that you’re projecting because of your opposition to premarital sex and attendant wish that women 18-21 were not the secret sluts they tend to be all over the world.

      My experience is that women tend to flake less when the man has talked about having sex with them as opposed to a man who has talked about a possible serious relationship with possible marriage and kids. It seems sad to “marriage minded men” that the world has to be this way, but I was just realizing today that it’s probably a proper evolutionary mechanism in women 16-21: if they fuck around and get a dozen guys in love with them, more than one of them will hang around as friends (insurance policies) for her later in life. They can always pretend they’re a virgin again when they start looking for a beta provider.

      A dozen of my friends are women I had relationships with more than 5 years ago when they were 18-21 and they can count on me to remain friends with them for life. I left them better for having known me. Playing the field and making friends with lots of guys seems to be a strategy for many women 16-21 although I’m aware betas hate them for doing that (and I dislike that attitude as well sometimes if I’m talking to a 10 whom I’d want to move in with me and have my babies).

      I do know that Sasha would face a serious flake scenario with at least one of the two teenagers, but he’d face that no matter how he gamed them and at least they know he’s entertaining (women are afraid most of a man boring them).

      Regarding the Canadian aspect: He’s Russian! Apparently he feels that being born in Russia is a DLV. He shouldn’t think that anymore. Many women in the west know that lots of Russian men in the west are loaded.

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  86. He had confidence, and was in his own way non-threatening ( Neecy – nudge nudge wink wink – yes, you’ve gotta stop watching Fox news now – thanks ). He could hold a conversation with a woman, and could handle rejection with aplomb. He is good.

    If the indirect method is really so good, then why do I not see the women on this comment stream showing any interest in any of you gents ? And yes, you can say it’s not face-to-face. To which I can reply that the PUA ability should be manifest anywhere.

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  87. Off-topic, but this in commentary on a Spearhead article on Careerism and Fidelity inspired by a Roissy article…

    “Recently an acquittance and I were sharing stories of sexual conquests and he told me of his trip to Vegas with family friends. There he fucked the wife of one of his dad’s friends. This is a woman he knew since he was a little kid so it takes on that dimension as well. He said that he fucked her hard, fingered her ass, and she swallowed his cum. Do you think she swallows for her husband? Most likely not. The husband wasn’t even on the trip but he naively assumed a trip with family friends would be innocent, oh boy was he wrong. We had a good laugh at the husband’s expense but I couldn’t help but feel bad. This man was probably taught to put women on a pedestal. What good it did him. Women care little for useful idiots including their husbands.”

    And in a response to the response…

    “The wife in your story is a typical representation of modern women. I will never get into a relationship with a woman again because I have no desire to babysit her 24/7. Even though I don’t agree with what your acquaintance did, I would probably have done the same thing.”

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/07/04/careerism-and-fidelity/

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  88. who is this bloody Neecy!

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  89. on July 21, 2011 at 2:22 am Emma the Emo

    Lol. I think he’s good.

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  90. on July 21, 2011 at 5:16 am Powder Blew

    Xsplat

    Yes, Neecy, I do speak for all men.

    All men, hmm.

    Some of us rather enjoy the “dance”, and find that overly direct signaling from a woman — whether positive or negative — is tacky.

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  91. neeecy

    XSPLAT,

    I don’t wanna fight with you. Can we just make up and be friends already? *kisses*?

    FIREPOWER,

    Help me!!! I am being visciously assaulted. I need some Firepower. LOL And yes – Stacey Dash – freakin hottie.

    your new here so you dont yet know I always require [and get] something in return for my invaluable assistance.

    still, i just saw that chick in a ’95 movie where she was wearing blue garters, stockings etc. shes aged well. nice ass teeth etc.

    dont worry about xsplat. he’s admitted to masturbating furiously to pictures of Starr Jones, so whereever you got your pics from, he’s now down a quart and suffering lightheadedness from anemia.

    you owe me

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    • “your new here so you dont yet know I always require [and get] something in return for my invaluable assistance.”

      *in my best Russian accent* VATEVA YOU VAUNT!

      “still, i just saw that chick in a ’95 movie where she was wearing blue garters, stockings etc. shes aged well. nice ass teeth etc.”

      Stacey looks freakin amazing. She is my she-ro. Hasn’t aged one bit.

      “dont worry about xsplat. he’s admitted to masturbating furiously to pictures of Starr Jones, so whereever you got your pics from, he’s now down a quart and suffering lightheadedness from anemia.”

      OMG LOL. You know he’s going to take that out on me. Don’t make him more mad at me! I would never steal anyone’s pic and put it on this board. That’d be cruel!

      “you owe me”

      Should we start a running tab?

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    • “your new here so you dont yet know I always require [and get] something in return for my invaluable assistance.”

      *in my best Russian accent* VATEVA YOU VAUNT!

      “still, i just saw that chick in a ’95 movie where she was wearing blue garters, stockings etc. shes aged well. nice ass teeth etc.”

      Stacey looks freakin amazing. She is my she-ro. Hasn’t aged one bit.

      “dont worry about xsplat. he’s admitted to masturbating furiously to pictures of Starr Jones, so whereever you got your pics from, he’s now down a quart and suffering lightheadedness from anemia.”

      OMG LOL. You know he’s going to take that out on me. Don’t make him more mad at me! I would never steal anyone’s pic and put it on this board. That’d be cruel!

      “you owe me”

      Should we start a running tab???

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  92. on July 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm John Norman Howard

    To call this “dork-game” is to inappropriately dignify a socially-unaware autistic performer for aggressively accosting women on the street. The bravery of “approach” is a definite element of true game, but in repetitive isolation it amounts to shtick. Calling this “game” waters down the brand and confuses newbies.

    Thank you…

    I have a feeling Sasha’s rabbi no longer gives his morning prayer in re “thank you for making me a man” with his erstwhile gusto.

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  93. imho the guy does everything right, everything for his own goals. People talk about the game, well screw the game, it should be about getting laid and woman and not about playing game.

    Imho Sasha is comedian, and what he does is very authentic to his personality.

    Another thing I think many do not realize is that Sasha goes for very sexually open and single girl, he is not looking for girl who wants to dine and wine, he is looking for girls who wants sex and wants it right now, so he actually doesn’t waste time and screens right away for this type of girls.

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  94. Kevin

    Hey Neecy,

    I don’t know if you figured this out yet, but most of the guys who read this stuff don’t actually like women very much.

    That’s why they keep resorting to personal attacks and shaming tactics…wait a minute….isn’t that the same thing they accuse feminists of doing? 🙂

    They’re probably also going to accuse me of being a mangina or something like that for writing this*

    meh. Why waste the time; your own avatar does that perfectly.

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    • He has a point though. Unfortunatley, he didn’t provide another alternative to this board which is frustrating.

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      • No, he doesn’t. You came here under your own volition. No one here owes you anything – not respect, nor a list of alternative locales to get your vain ego cocksucked.

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    • See? I told you…they just can’t resist. 🙂

      Unfortunately, I don’t know of any relationship type blogs with an active community of well adjusted men. Spending too much time reading PUA blogs can be toxic to a guy’s development in this area.

      If you want a different perspective, you could check out Jake P‘s blog. It’s a completely different environment in that most of the guys who post comments are more interested in learning than in making themselves sound smart or cool.

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      • No, they can’t resist! LOL They are all going on Ignore as of today. i have better things to do with my time than argue with stray dogs looking for me to feed them.

        I’ll pop over and see how i like. Thx for the link! If you happen to know of anymore (not necessarily all male blogs) please let me know. Haven’t found any interesting ones yet.

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      • Kevin

        you could check out “Jake Pees!” blog. It’s a completely different environment in that most of the guys who post comments are more interested in learning than in making themselves sound smart or cool.

        Learning on teh webz, instead of books. uberkwls.

        Still, I never expected a capitalist commercial [for another site]
        from a boy who looks like a Vancouver G10 Summit rioter.

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  95. It was wonderfully sunny outside. I was meeting a friend later in the park. I got there earlier so that I could enjoy a little time to myself in the quietude during the early hours of the day. I found myself a bench facing the bright, vibrant sun. The beams penetrated my closed lids and warmed my skin. A little while passed and I felt someone had taken the place next to me and I opened my eyes. I turned slightly trying not to be tooo obvious, hehe!! He was wearing shorts and a simple gray T-shirt. I remembered his hairy legs..hee! hee! His presence did not disturb my feelings of contentment absorbed from the sun. I was just relaxed, chilled. I felt his stillness, perhaps it was my own. We were silent, not feeling any pressure to engage, as if we were both simply taking in the rays. I couldn’t get a good look at his face and all of a sudden we turned and made eye contact and smiled. I can’t remember what he said, but whatever it was it was with ease and there were no questions about me why I was there, what I was doing …… I felt comfortable, perhaps it was the manner in which he spoke to me with ease and no bravado, just as if he was being himself, keeping the light convo on the weather, the sun and accentuating the gorgeous day that it was. Suddenly my friend shows up. “Darn!”, I said to myself. I had to go. I could see the disappointment in his eyes. Without hesitation he jumped at the opportunity and asked for my number…..As I was walking away, without hesitation I told him my number. He remembered.

    Voila!

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  96. Beauty is all about proportions….no matter the height.

    Now, are the personalities of shorter women more desirable? Can height determine personality types and their desirability? That is debatable.

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  97. Seriously, his game seems to be what i was doing a couple years ago. I am sure he is successful, but it is inspite of his special dork game and is because of the elements of basic game he has.

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  98. Neecy, I don’t know if this has been said yet, but as a guy who likes ’em thick, you’re pretty damn fine. Lovely face and a nice rack 😉 That being said, as an introvert, I’d probably last all of ten minutes before you drove me nuts with all your damn yapping. It would be your place, not mine, just so it’d be easier to get your fine ass out of my hair…

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    • Thank you for the compliment….I think? LOL

      Just so you know all my b/f’s have been introverts, laid back and easy going – and quite enjoyed my company. They liked having someone that was a lot more outgoing and talkative than they were.

      Here’s the thing about “her place” over yours – if its reaaaaalllly good you will be kidnapped and your family, friends, dog will never see you again – that is until you become old and crusty and can’t get it up anymore. Think twice about that ;0)

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      • on July 22, 2011 at 9:53 am a.nonny.mous

        all my b/f’s have been introverts, laid back and easy going
        —-So the only men a loud, stupid, fat ignorant ghetto queen could get to date her were betas. Surprise, surprise.

        – and quite enjoyed my company.
        —or so you ordered them to say.

        They liked having someone that was a lot more outgoing and talkative than they were.
        —Translation: they couldn’t do any better than a ghetto queen, and so resigned themselves to misery and bad sex with an ugly woman.

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      • I’m pretty sure she just showed up at their house, sat down on the couch and started talking about herself to them. The guys in question were so shy they were too afraid to ask “what the fuck is this strange fat lady doing in my house? why is she talking about herself? I wonder if she’ll ever stop?”

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  99. Jumping in front of girls on the street and saying ‘don’t worry, I’m not crazy’ seems rather counter-productive from the very start.

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  100. Trainwreck! This is all wrong. You’re not a dancing monkey for women goddammit. You shouldn’t be there to do tricks in front of them and entertain them. It’s the same thing guys do in clubs (who practice this method). Serious business, get the number and get out.

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    • He’s not just an Extravert, he’s an ESFP – a PERFORMER. Abilities are needs; he NEEDS to perform.

      This behavior would not work for any of the other 15 psychological types (look up MBTI if you don’t know), even other SP’s or other Extraverts.

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  101. Sasha is an example of a pretty decent looking guy, quite attractive who’s appeal is ruined by his actions and approaches. if he was less jumpy and UPBEAT and more reserved, contained and mature, he would be real nice. I’m biased cause I like introverts! ha!

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  102. He is a genius. Watch “the color of money” with paul newman/tom cruise… he has the “flake”

    the flake is a technique for appearing disarming…. compare him to a harvard law grad in a brooks brothers suit.. isn’t he easier for the typical nitwit dumb female to talk to? they are superficial idiots.. give them what they want, which is the fundamental principle of game.

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    • I think what you meant to say is “he appears gay” thus being easier to talk to… but we all know that strategy is useless. Why would you want to “talk” to women? (friend zoned hard) Stop being a woman, and go make shit happen, get laid. (not directed at you)

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  103. What the fuck is this shit?

    It was funny the first three times, the fourth was just ridiculously painful. Welcome to the new generation of homeless people trying to talk to strangers.

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  104. saw this on the clown’s website:

    Sasha’s Standard Super Fun AA Destroying Daygame PUA Bootcamp
    Cost: £847
    Number of students: 2
    Hours of training: 10 LIVE training

    THE GOLD PACKAGE – 10 DAY COURSE
    Cost: £1397

    and if you’re a sucker you can pay up to £2000 for a month-long training:

    THE PLATINUM PACKAGE – MONTH LONG COURSE
    Cost: £1,997

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  105. Was anyone else bothered by “an hour in a row”?

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