Beta Fights Back

what a mistake i have made
to reputedly conceive
with a woman whose face
could strip bark from a tree

You want to feel sorry for this poor bastard, but then you are left asking “WTF was he thinking?” Marriage and cuckolding is beta enough, but for a good-looking, high status man to hitch his wagon to such an ugly broad? It defies natural law.

A filmaker is suing his ex-wife for allegedly duping him into believing for 17 years that a child was his daughter.

Andrew Douglas, who directed the 2005 remake of The Amityville Horror, is demanding back hundreds of thousands of pounds in child support.

He says Ameena Meer asked him to marry her after claiming she was having his baby. But the real father, according to the lawsuit, was another Briton she had been cheating on him with.

Mandatory paternity testing is coming, and it is going to put an end to these vile shenanigans by women. In the meantime, men can act to protect themselves by following one simple rule:

Don’t screw hatched-faced man-women.

The more eerily a woman resembles a man, the likelier it is she will cheat, cuckold and cover it up for 17 years. Just look at the markers of high prenatal and serum testosterone etched into this whore’s face. Is her nose a Ginsu knife?

Once pregnant, Miss Meer said she didn’t want a baby born out of wedlock because ‘it would cause great shame and disgrace to her parents, who were practising Muslims’.

Ah, a little of the ol’ religion guilt-trip coercion. If I were him, I’d have told her to have fun with her stoning.

The writer moved to London and married Mr Douglas in August 1992. But the couple split months after Sasha Douglas was born and Miss Meer took their daughter back to her New York home.

It never ceases to amaze how incredibly ignorant some men can be about marriage and women. Like the dumb broad dressed in a tramp’s miniskirt walking at 2AM through a well-known bad neighborhood, the man who willfully blinds himself to the nature of women deserves some of the fault for creating his shitworld.

In the court documents, Mr Douglas says he had little contact with Sasha until her tenth birthday and felt depressed about failing as a father.

How can you tell a man is a beta at heart? He will always blame himself first.

Miss Meer, who has had two more daughters with her second husband, allegedly told the director that ‘a price tag was attached’ if he wanted to play any part in the girl’s life.

In a legal climate that was fair toward men, a stone cold lying bitch like Meer would be thrown in jail for extortion. But, no, the femtards will applaud her moxy and shift blame to the man for “walking out after being a part of this child’s life for so long”. As I always tell the femtards when they play this lame “unextractable part of life” card: if the cheating bitch was worried about the child not having a biological father in its life, she should have thought of that before she whored around.

He said he paid nearly £450,000 in child support and tuition fees, gave Miss Meer £17,000 when she fell behind with her rent and handed out a further £6,500 for a new bathroom.

This guy Douglas is a case study demonstrating how a conventionally high status man can be a beta in his soul. That examples like Douglas exist is why this definition of the alpha male is the right and proper one.

Tests showed [Douglas’ DNA] was incompatible with the 17-year-old’s. Miss Meer allegedly brushed off his concerns, telling him in a telephone call last September:

‘If you’re not Sasha’s father, it must be immaculate conception.’ A DNA test taken later that month revealed that it was virtually impossible for Mr Douglas to have been the father.

Cuckoldry is a valuable reproductive strategy for women. Women will tell the most blatant whoppers to protect this “choice”. I doubt there is a single woman in the world who, when exposure threatens the gravy train of child support, will confess to the dirty deed. This is why MPT is needed; there is no way any man can fully trust a woman in the matter of paternity, no matter how much she loves him. MPT will protect men from the female version of rape. It will save them years of emotional and financial servitude. A fully functioning MPT regime would have two primary results:

It would curb female infidelity.

It would lower marriage rates, as women become more careful about which men they marry. This, consequently, would increase single mom-hood and abortion rates.

A woman who knows the technology is virtually failsafe and the law is gender-neutral will think twice before stepping out on her husband sans contraceptive. Because of this modern day restriction on a very ancient secret female prerogative, the fembots will fight tooth and nail to prevent MPT with concomitant changes in the law that further bastardize the meaning of family and the connection between genetic progeny and paternal responsibility. This is why absurd laws are cropping up lately redefining cohabitation as marriage (with all the servile duties and legal impositions that implies) and holding the non-father boyfriends financially responsible for the bastard spawn of the single moms they are fucking. (This is another good reason to avoid using single moms as anything other than pump and dump receptacles for your withheld sperm.)

The court file says the biological parent is ‘a British man who, unbeknownst to plaintiff at the time, was involved in a sexual relationship’ with Miss Meer.

Stuff like this is rarely “unbeknownst” to alpha males.

The real father refused to marry her and so ‘knowingly and with malice’ she told Mr Douglas the baby was his.

Real father = alpha. Deadbeat dad fucks her and bolts, while the well-off, responsible beta with a heart of gold foots the bill for the rancid cunt’s cock-hopping and her little bundle of dystopia. Where have we heard this story before?

The legal papers say Mr Douglas still loves the girl he believed to be his daughter, but wants his former wife to pay back the child support and pay compensation for emotional damages.

If Douglas wins, this could be the start of something beautiful. The feminists and their diaper-loading enablers have run roughshod long enough over our venerable institutions. A serious rectification of the West’s corrupted legal system is in order.

A friend of the filmmaker told the New York Post that Mr Douglas was ‘a stand-up guy’ who ‘took Ameena at her word 17 years ago’.

Maxim #19: Never take a woman’s word; a woman’s actions are the best interpreters of her thought.

Betas never seem to learn this lesson, and it is a lesson they pay for dearly, over and over, because women smell beta from twelve parsecs, and it stirs a contemptuous, malicious compulsion in them. Alphas can be victimized, too, but they rarely are, for the alpha male by his character and his game exerts a calming, domesticating influence over the nastier primitive spirits animating a woman’s will. Often, and incredulously to those of a constitutional gullibility, a devious evil woman for whom no second is too soon to stick the shiv in a betaboy’s back will act against her own interests to spare the dignity of an alpha male who has happily shamed her.

He said Miss Meer has now banned Mr Douglas from seeing Sasha.

So much for the importance of the child being a part of the father’s life.

Miss Meer told the newspaper that she had never knowingly lied to her ex-husband.

Women know. She knew she was fucking around, and thus she knew there was a chance the kid was another man’s, unless she is a functional retard. This slippery sophistry shouldn’t convince anyone.

‘Of course I didn’t lie. I obviously didn’t think that he wasn’t her father,’ she said. ‘If he wants to be her father, he should provide for her. Isn’t that what’s fair?’

Let me tell you what’s fair, MIZZ Meerkat — a full remittance of all child custody monies plus interest and punitive damages paid forthwith to your ex-husband, jail time that is the equivalent of whatever sentence a man would receive for raping a woman and burdening her with the cursed spawn that was the result of such an unholy union, and your motherhood card revoked in a public shaming spectacle so outrageous you spend the rest of your life a mere husk of a woman devising macabre ways to off yourself and end the unremitting emotional pain that forever tortures your every waking moment.

THAT is what’s fair, you filthy festering cunt.

She said the lawsuit was ‘a terrible thing for him to do to his daughter’.

And that’s how to know it was the right thing. A terrible justice invoked. Evil trembled, desperately searching for allies, but none were to be found.





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  1. First

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  2. Excellent post! Oh my freaking Gawd! The deception, the ugliness, the religion and…that nose.

    And those eyes. She ain’t right.

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  3. How many of you had mothers who cautioned you about the ways of “some” women?

    I am eternally grateful to my mom for being level with me about how deceitful and conniving women can be.

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  4. Yup, this bitch deserves to be nailed to the wall.

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  5. God’s words.
    You’ve been gold the past few posts mang. fucking gold.

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  6. in top 10!!!

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  7. And shit like this is why I got a vasectomy when i was 23. Ugh. Roissy, what’s your opinion on men voluntarily getting a reversible vasectomy (and storing sperm cryogenically) until they’ve decided they want to start a family (preferably at age 50 or older)?

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  9. @ that guy: Start a family? Are you nuts? Just babysit some one else’s kids. the world is too dark to have them, too effed up to raise them in this world. what future do they have? Nah, I do not really mean that….Good luck in parenting…

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  10. I wonder what the daughter looks like.

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  11. Do you know that in France, paternity tests are forbidden by the law. You can only take one legally if it’s been ordered by a court. I am ashamed of being part of one of the most pussyfied country on earth.

    Well, if I ever have kids I’ll do a paternity test anyway, whatever the level of trust I have in the mother. It’s easy thanks to internet to do such a test in belgium, spain, germany or elsewhere.

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  12. on September 20, 2010 at 2:08 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””’ In 2007, it was the tenth leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 34,598 deaths”””””

    ”””U.S. Suicide Statistics (2001)
    Number of deaths: 30,622 ”””””’

    ””””””’Suicide Deaths, U.S., 2000*

    The total number of suicide deaths was 29,350.”””””

    On a lighter note something tells me the pills aren’t helping anyone he he he

    Or maybe they are.

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  13. “She said the lawsuit was ‘a terrible thing for him to do to his daughter’.”

    SHE’S NOT HIS DAUGHTER YOU BITCH!

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  14. Miss Meer told the newspaper that she had never knowingly lied to her ex-husband.

    She’s flat out lying.

    Consider this:

    Miss Meer allegedly brushed off his concerns, telling him in a telephone call last September:

    ‘If you’re not Sasha’s father, it must be immaculate conception.’ A DNA test taken later that month revealed that it was virtually impossible for Mr Douglas to have been the father.

    ‘The probability of paternity is zero per cent,’ the genetic report concluded, said the suit.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1312530/Amityville-Horrors-Andrew-Douglas-sues-ex-wife-duped-daughter.html#ixzz105ucqVqv

    It must be immaculate conception hunh? I.e. she was flat out lying to him that she wasn’t screwing anyone else at the time.

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  15. fucking disgusting… absolutely galling

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  16. Good post, Roissy. Additionally, way to go on pointing out this guy’s pathetic sniveling betatude. I tried finding out how old this guy was when he married her but couldn’t find it, so I’m guessing he’s in his mid to late 50’s now, which would have made him roughly 40 or so when he married her. No excuse- this wealthy and worldly film-maker should have known better. What a tool. If she had flown to my town for a shot-gun wedding I’d have removed her clothes, stuffed a billiard ball in her mouth and thrown her into traffic, the fucking cunt. She’s bad enough, but guys like this give all men a bad name.

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  17. Stories like this make me laugh, being an untamable cad. But every once in a while, they touch me, melting my old Vampire’s heart. ;'(

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  18. on September 20, 2010 at 2:15 pm gunslingergregi

    23529 pounds a year.

    is that all.

    ””””””Betas never seem to learn this lesson, and it is a lesson they pay for dearly, over and over, because women smell beta from twelve parsecs, and it stirs a contemptuous, malicious compulsion in them. Alphas can be victimized, too, but they rarely are, for the alpha male by his character and his game exerts a calming, domesticating influence over the nastier primitive spirits animating a woman’s will. Often, and incredulously to those of a constitutional gullibility, a devious evil woman for whom no second is too soon to stick the shiv in a betaboy’s back will act against her own interests to spare the dignity of an alpha male who has happily shamed her.”””””’

    betas just need to fuck them once a day but dam that bitch is ugly.

    ”””””Mandatory paternity testing is coming, and it is going to put an end to these vile shenanigans by women. In the meantime, men can act to protect themselves by following one simple rule:

    Don’t screw hatched-faced man-women.
    ””””’
    ;lol

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  19. US Hospitals & Insurance companies estimate 15+% of Men are not the the Biological Fathers of offspring.

    How do they know this?

    Well when their Baby is born with a statistically impossible blood type (Mom is A, “Dad” is B, Baby is O)

    They dont inform Father b/c…………………………….he wont pay the bill if he knew.

    Bastardism is official US Policy funded by Financial System

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  20. on September 20, 2010 at 2:16 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””dragnet
    “She said the lawsuit was ‘a terrible thing for him to do to his daughter’.”

    SHE’S NOT HIS DAUGHTER YOU BITCH!
    ”””””’

    well with western woman it is always about the children except when they are fucking up the children.

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  21. She scammed him for half a million for a kid that wasn’t even his? Omfg.. I would kill the ho

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  22. Not blaming him, but considering the type of person the mother is and the circumstances this man should have been suspicious from the get go. Also, most children resemble their fathers quite a bit, if the kid doesn’t look anything like you that should be a red flag.

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  23. @ gunslingergregi

    “well with western woman it is always about the children except when they are fucking up the children.”

    With western women it is always about the children—until they want to abort them.

    And I say this as a supporter of abortion rights.

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  24. US Hospitals & Insurance companies estimate 15+% of Men are not the the Biological Fathers of offspring

    Does 15% this include fathers of adopted children or their wives’ kids from earlier marriages?

    If I were him, I’d have told her to have fun with her stoning.

    Love the one-liners!

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  25. They dont inform Father b/c…………………………….he wont pay the bill if he knew.

    You find out your babies blood type practically immediately after birth. If it doesn’t match blood types of either parent, that should be a red flag on its own. At that point, you should order up the DNA test before claiming paternity.

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  26. Also, most children resemble their fathers quite a bit, if the kid doesn’t look anything like you that should be a red flag.

    I was gonna say something about that. SHOULDN’T you get suspecious if the kid looks nothing like you?

    Since I’ve been reading this blog I’ve looked at kids/infants I know, and always picked on on the child’s resemblance in some way to their father and/or to his relatives.

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  27. Chump:
    Hey that kid looks really white.

    Chick:
    Sometimes the babies in my family come out all white.

    Chump:
    Oh ok that makes sense.

    Chump:
    How come I have only known you for 8 months.

    Chick:
    Well you have supersperm 🙂

    Chump:
    Yea my boys know how to swim.

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  28. on September 20, 2010 at 2:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    Need to get rid of the stupid fucking support for woman as a right bullshit.

    If parents can’t raise their daughters to be responsible about who they have kids with they need to eat that bill and raise the kid.

    Their daughter doesn’t deserve a free ride for concieving.

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  29. PA/Silver Fox,

    I can’t find a reference now, but I recall that a random genetic screening test in Canada (DNA, not bloodwork)found that about 5% of men listed as the father on the birth cert were not the genetic father.

    I don’t recall if these men were asked whether they knew that or not, or if the results were kept anonymous. I’m pretty sure it was the latter. And good evidence on why MPT is so necessary.

    I’d be seriously worried if my kid didn’t have numerous physical markers in common with me. (And I don’t have any brothers, so no jokes there) I might still do the paternatity test for a laugh one day once they get cheaper but I’m not overly concerned.

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  30. on September 20, 2010 at 2:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or make it whoever is willing to pay for the kids upbringing can raise it. Since children have been reduced in value to a monetary sum anyway. Like little commodities is all they are now.

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  31. on September 20, 2010 at 2:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    nobody needs you to raise the kid woman just because you had it.

    Someone else can do that and you can go back to work.

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  32. Laura

    — Not blaming him, but considering the type of person the mother is and the circumstances this man should have been suspicious from the get go. Also, most children resemble their fathers quite a bit, if the kid doesn’t look anything like you that should be a red flag.

    That’s a lot harder to discern when it’s a girl.

    As well I think that trope in general is a female defense mechanism designed to reassure fathers. Sure if the kid is black or looks southern euro origins when you’re northern, that should be a huge tell. But same ethnicity infants look a lot alike – which is part of why I’m saying the extremely common tendency for the mother of the wife to say that the kid looks just like the father is self interested bullshite. The looks thing often doesn’t come out until later and is often unreliable. All the more so when you’ve got considerable ethnic differences between the purported bio dad and the mother.

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  33. @ Fourmyle

    “I can’t find a reference now, but I recall that a random genetic screening test in Canada (DNA, not bloodwork)found that about 5% of men listed as the father on the birth cert were not the genetic father.”

    Five percent is…actually not that bad. I remember reading one study about paternity in Liverpool, I believe. As many as 30 percent(!) of the dad in that area were not the genetic fathers. I’ll try to find that study.

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  34. Man dies for his wife. Man killed by dumb cunt taking off her sweater while driving.

    http://www.theprovince.com/news/final+only+thing+that+would+save/3487150/story.html#ixzz1064ODZP1

    Women are contemptible.

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  35. I’m not sure there’s been a lawsuit based entirely on this theory in NY or the US.

    Suits to avoid child support in divorce or otherwise after some time period has gone by when the purported bio dad didn’t contest paternity (I think 2 years tends to be the longest period to begin contesting) haven’t been successful anywhere in the US to my knowledge, nor Britain either.

    However this case seems different. He paid to support who he thought was his child (and the mother) voluntarily it appears — based upon her fraud to him. He only married her due to that fraud and they quickly divorced after the daughter was born. Further he’s not suing to be released from paying support but to recover from her due to fraud after the child has turned 18. Or at least that will be the case soon.

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  36. As many as 30 percent(!) of the dad in that area were not the genetic fathers.

    Again, how much of that is legitimate non-paternity like adoption or wife’s previous mariage?

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  37. on September 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well the positive side to paying child support is you then have just bought your free pass to the raw dog bandwagon and worry free sex.

    You can now impregnate as many chicks as you want.

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  38. PA–

    US Hospitals & Insurance companies estimate 15+% of Men are not the the Biological Fathers of offspring

    Does 15% this include fathers of adopted children or their wives’ kids from earlier marriages?

    What data from the UK and US have shown is this. Commercial DNA labs which do paternity testing tend to report that around 30% of the time the paternity claimed by mothers is not what their tests reveal. However these labs are used when paternity is being disputed or is in high doubt in the overwhelming number of cases.

    A small number of social science studies in the US and UK have tended to show that in cases where fathers report a high confidence in their paternity, that they’re wrong about 2-3% of the time.

    This combination of results have lead many to estimate that overall men claimed by mothers to be the bio dads aren’t in about 10% of cases in the US and UK. The incidence of the kid being from someone else go up, down the SES scale.

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  39. PA–

    All of the results I mentioned don’t include adoptions or children admitted by mothers to be from prior marriages or relationships.

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  40. Please give us an update on this when the verdict comes! Also, Maxim #19 is easily my favorite.

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  41. I have hands that make it extremely difficult for this to happen to me.

    Hands? you ask.

    Yep. I have genetically dominant clinodactility (both my pinkies are bent). See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinodactyly

    As it turns out, all three of my kids have it too, and they all look just alike. So, it makes it just that much harder for this to go anything other than my way.

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  42. I’m not into older women but she’s not horrible looking (at least she’s not fat) and I’m imagining 17-18 years ago she looked better than that. She was possibly a 7 back then.

    Either way, she’s a bitch.

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  43. sounds like a great argument against dumpster-diving. you never know how badly the trash will stink.

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  44. She just looks like she reeks of More cigs and possesses a monstrous 70’s pelt.

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  45. “US Hospitals & Insurance companies estimate 15+% of Men are not the the Biological Fathers of offspring.”

    This sounds like the stat I’ve heard before about 10 to 12 % of paternity tests coming up with a surprize to the guy – but paternity tests are generally only given when paternity is in doubt.

    If paternity was randomly tested across the general population, a lower single digit surprize rate would be expected.

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  46. The cuckoldress is a published author:

    http://www.amazon.com/Bombay-Talkie-Five-Star-Title/

    Description:
    Journalist Meer’s first novel is as gaudy and melodramatic as the movies she evokes in her title. American-born Sabah’s parents convince her to visit India, and she is thrust into the unravelling lives of an American-born friend, now married to an Indian and that of her famous movie star uncle and his family. The story is woven from the characters’ inner monologues and a narrative that describes the seamiest excesses of wealth, poverty, sexism, racial consciousness, deception and hypocrisy with the pace and detachment of a journalist. The scandals of homosexuality and infidelity seem tired as plot motivators, the characters more like archetypes than the self-involved yet complex people they might be. But a wife-burning and the tragedy of Sabah’s lovelorn gay cousin are shocking–the senseless loss, so emotionally portrayed, will leave readers tearful, angry and, like Sabah, a bit relieved to be back in America after all.

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  47. Maxim #19: Never take a woman’s word; a woman’s actions are the best interpreters of her thought.

    Do women really have thoughts?

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  48. this bitch looks like a man

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  49. Do geneticists know what the “holandric traits” (inherited only from the father) include specifically? Google search brings up… hairy ears.

    How much of male penis size is inherited on the Y-Chromosome, for example? Always wanted to know that one.

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  50. Ah, yes it’s good to know this, but seriously, if you’re in the position of having a kid, there’s home paternity tests. This dude is like too many Beta’s out there – still unawares to the nature of women. sad.

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  51. A despicable woman indeed.

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  52. on September 20, 2010 at 4:09 pm Hungry Hungry Hippos

    What a repugnant human being.

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  53. “Google search brings up… hairy ears.”

    even that is wrong methinks, it depends on the hormone concentration. Y chromosome gene SRY is probably the only one that has a function and that of course doesn’t tell much.

    Otherwise if the father carries a X-dominant genetic disorder, it can be observed in the daughter too.

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  54. “MPT will protect men from the female version of rape.”

    This is nonsensical. Rape is rape, there is no “female version,” and cuckolding certainly has nothing to do with it.

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  55. Cuckoldry is silent, stealthy reverse osmosis rape.

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  56. A friend warned me once, “If you really want to experience a whole new level of suffering and deceit, date/marry an Indian woman. They truly are masters of it.”

    Part of me says to the guy, you made your bed, now lie in it. The other half takes pity on him.

    She is fugly though, (shudders).

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  57. on September 20, 2010 at 5:28 pm You're doing it wrong

    If there’s any justice in the World she will be forced to pay back the money. Let her go sue the real Father.

    Of course I doubt she has the money, most of these hags are living off “child support” .

    “Meerkat” cracked me the fuck up. What a hideous warpig.

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  58. I’m not taking sides, but when it said don’t take a woman for what she says, but how she acts. That goes for guys too. Most guys are lazy people bent on talking big about things, who lack taking any type of initiative at all.

    I’m a guy, so I’m just saying.

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  59. After reading this blog, I come away with a greater understanding of how to relate to women and an utter disinterest in doing so.

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  60. How many of you had mothers who cautioned you about the ways of “some” women?

    Hands up! I still remember the time my mom got mad at me for referring to some loose woman on TV as a ‘lady’. Caught me totally by surprise. I don’t remember the specifics, but my mom made it clear that some women aren’t ladies at all.

    Had I kept that fact uppermost in mind in my 20s, I could have saved myself a lot of grief.

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  61. You know, the more I read about women like this, the easier it is for me to understand why Islam is rigid with regards to women. Being a Muslim woman myself, I could not even imagine doing this to another person – guilting a man into marrying me and then demanding ransom (which is literally what she did) before he could see his child.

    I’ve read some comments on other posts about how there would be some benefits of Islam coming to America – generally in regards to reigning in some crazy feminist laws. I can tell you know that this won’t be the case. I’ve seen feminism creep into American Islam. I hear otherwise religious girls complain about how stupid men are, how men are jerks, etc. I’ve heard rather terrifying stories from women trying to impose their will on their husbands. One woman I knew threatened to shave her head if her husband didn’t shave his beard. Another woman forcibly waxed her husband WHILE HE SLEPT. Most of the unmarried Muslim women I know are rather slim, and most of the married women I know are HUGE and bitchy. Although Muslim men have a reputation of being in control of their women, I can tell you that, at least in America, that often this isn’t the case.

    Unfortunately liberal Muslims are redefining Islam so that it is more agreeable with Western/feminist ideals. Now, all of a sudden, a few rogue scholars are reinterpreting texts or innovating ideals as Islamic. Traditionally marriage in Islam is a relationship in which a man acts as a leader and his wife as an advisor. She is not allowed to refuse him sex or disobey him. Liberal Muslims now say it is a full partnership (where no one person has control over another) and are conveniently disregarding quotes from texts that say otherwise. Traditionally divorce ended a man’s financial obligation to his wife. Now liberal Muslims are claiming that a man should support his ex-wife until she remarries. Even with moderate Muslim communities such as my own, the leaders focus much more on men’s obligations to their wives than women’s obligations to their husbands.

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  62. If at least we were muslim we could condemn this bitch to stoning her filthy cunt to death.

    Jesus, there is no limit for the immorality and indecency for those bitches!!!

    A good start also would be NEVER marry a woman whose family is poor or lower class than yours.

    I need to punch someone, it pissed me off… FUCK!

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  63. Don’t forget Christian marriage. In strong Christian communities like among the Amish the women know their place.

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  64. Roissy,

    Your are doing a great service for mankind (or better: malekind).

    Count me in as donator. And please publish a f*ng book. You had more than enough material to shake a great numeber of men from their bovine existences.

    More than ever we need to find the Nietzche superman’s that lie inside each one of us.

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  65. @Bricona

    Of course there are lazy men, women and dogs and cats too.

    But what’s your point? That man deserved what happen to him because there are lazy men around??

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  66. on September 20, 2010 at 6:37 pm Prophet Jeremiah your Daddy

    hahahah nice post

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  67. Very weird. It’s never been so obvious from quotations that the woman is lying. The dude is beta fo sho, but it’s great to see him not standing for the shit any more. here’s to douglas getting back every penny.

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  68. Bricona

    I’m not taking sides, but when it said don’t take a woman for what she says, but how she acts. That goes for guys too. Most guys are lazy people bent on talking big about things, who lack taking any type of initiative at all.

    I’m a guy, so I’m just saying.

    Not taking sides in how this lawsuit SHOULD turn out is appalling.

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  69. Phew! Cuckoos, shrikes, bristle-beaked strumpets… what a day it’s been for the birds. What next?

    “Now you stop bickering Polly!

    “Now you be grateful for good ol’ beta-boy ‘cos he be givin’ yah yah birdseed bitch!”

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  70. Roissy,
    This is probably the first time that I fully agree with your posts.

    And, by the way, any woman who gets herself pregnant to get a man to marry her will make that man’s life impossible. A woman capable of using her own child for her own selfish purposes is capable of doing anything, no matter how low, and has no moral compass.

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  71. Thanks for pointing out the difference between the 5% and 30% figures Thursday.

    Also, the mother’s denial isn’t surprising – most women aren’t aware that there’s a higher chance for conception when the women is cheating on her partner.

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  72. As a man, I can’t really cast the first stone since I’m always cheating on women. If I were a woman I’d probably have gotten knocked up dozens if not hundreds of times by now and yeah, I probably wouldn’t even know who knocked me up. Sorry but I can’t play the violin for this guy because most of us dudes would probably be worse than this chick. lol

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  73. Jayzuz!

    UK Proposes All Paychecks Go to the State First:
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/39265847

    And UK has now a “conservative” gummint!
    Fucken socialists in disguise!

    This not about taxes only, if the gummint “deems” that you have a paternity, they would take from your check what they “deem” necessary. And since they would be administering it, they would slap their fees on top of it.

    How long it would take the politicos in US and Canada to think this is a brilliant idea that should be adopted?

    I think I’ll be honing my defenestrations skills.

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  74. Absolutely sickening.

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  75. In case you think her behavior is limited to a few bad women, just bring up the topic of mandatory paternity testing with a group of “good” women.

    They are all against it. And, instead of arguing for the right to cuckold their husbands, they will say you are a backward bigot and vilify you, like you want them to have back ally abortions.

    Women are immoral to their core. Never forget that.

    And, the laws of our country (USA) are firmly on their side as they defraud you.

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  76. “A terrible justice invoked. Evil trembled, desperately searching for allies, but none were to be found.”

    Fine words.

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  77. “Cuckoldry is silent, stealthy reverse osmosis rape.”

    nah – apples is apples and oranges is oranges.

    Rape is a man forcibly ripping into another man’s asshole or pounding his mouth. (against the victim’s will, of course.)

    You can argue fraud is worse or one is less painful or ect. But they aren’t identical.

    and somebody can get AIDS from rape.

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  78. I guess I’ll test that. I just googled mandatory paternal testing and look up what are the comments that women have. Well, it is a bit more positive then you put it Grampa. Now I just need to test that in a convo with some girls I know. It won’t prove a few or most, but it can disprove all. Plus, it is always good to test things on your own.

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  79. This case is about the best possible vehicle to establish a cause of action for paternity fraud. Nonetheless it is, incredibly enough, going to be an uphill battle given how other cases have gone when men fight paying child support in divorce etc. when they learn the kid isn’t theirs but only years after acting as the father and supporting the kid. This is somewhat different thought.

    Ameena Meer was his wife for only about three months after the baby was born (as well as part of her pregnancy). (He only married her because she claimed she was sure the baby was his and her still practicing Indian Muslim parents would be upset.) She then separated from Andrew Douglas by moving back to NYC, and divorcing him. How much of a user could she be?

    She asked the guy who apparently was the bio dad to marry her first, but he refused. That makes her fraud unmistakable. Damn right she knew.

    Then she turned to Andrew Douglas and claimed she was sure her pregnancy was his, without mentioning any other guy who was far more likely – or the only one possible. She at the least has to have been almost certain it wasn’t his, since

    “the couple ‘had infrequent sexual relations’ when they met up in London, according to papers filed at Manhattan Supreme Court.

    but she damn well knew she was having frequent sexual relations with the guy she asked to marry her first. The marriage and her demands for child support from him subsequent to it’s ending it’s very short life had fraud in it’s inducement.

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  80. cuckoldry is more analogous to rape by deception than violent rape

    rape by deception involves fraudulently obtained consent for sexual touching–such as pretending to be someones husband in the dark

    paternity fraud involves fraudulently obtained acknowledgmnent and support of a child not truly his

    all you men should be shit testing the women you want to commit to for their attitude on this kind of stuff from day one. tell stories–divorce rape, date rape, paternity fraud–gauge their reactions. NEVER commit to a girl who isn’t absolutely horrified by this story.

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  81. on September 20, 2010 at 7:55 pm You're doing it wrong

    That’s a MAN, baby!

    – never felt like quoting that before I saw that warpig’s photo

    If he doesn’t win the lawsuit he should find some other way to obtain retribution. That’s all I’m saying.

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  82. In regards to blood tests, the father A, mother B child O is possible because both A and B are dominant. The parents could be AO and BO and their child would have a 25% chance of being either AB, AO, BO or OO.

    If the parents were O or A and the child a B on the other hand.

    I feel sorry for the daughter, having such a conniving bitch for a mother, and then being separated from the only man she knows as her father. Not nice.

    That said, the mother deserves a hefty fine and a decent prison sentence.

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  83. She was simply being vile and ignorant, and it is dishonorable for a woman to do those things. On one level I know that marriage is not a good deal, but at the other end I want to pass down my genetics and create a safety net for my future son. He will come from a long line of “alphas”, as the blog author puts it; heck, my father is in his fifties and outmatches me in tennis and golf. To be fair, however, I do not take sports too seriously, but merely acknowledge their exercise and social benefits.

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  84. That woman looks like a young Charles Manson fresh from a killing spree in Benedict Canyon. The beta had it coming.

    Let’s have a child together and fight about it ’til the break of dawn. I’ll sue you harder faster slower.

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  85. it would be perfect if her hubby #2 were to find that the two younger spawn were not his…and he also outed and sued this glorious icon of motherhood

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  86. If you’re gonna have kids, establish mandatory paternity testing in your own relationship by putting it in the prenup (which mimics living together in the event of a divorce).

    When she objects that it means you don’t trust her to be faithful, tell her that you’d require it of any woman just for absolute peace of mind, and that you wouldn’t marry her if you didn’t trust her to be faithful. Tell her that no woman who doesn’t cheat has anything to worry about, and that therefore it makes no sense for her to object.

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  87. Everyone knows that this lawsuit will die under the aegis of “best interest of the mom -er child”. Besides we can’t touch the holy sacrament of child support and its title IV matching federal funds to the states. That would be against the best interest of the government.

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  88. All this shit this bitch has got going against her, and she’s an arab to boot.

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  89. @dana

    “all you men should be shit testing the women you want to commit to for their attitude on this kind of stuff from day one. tell stories–divorce rape, date rape, paternity fraud–gauge their reactions. NEVER commit to a girl who isn’t absolutely horrified by this story.”

    I don’t think this will work.

    If my grasp of evopsych is correct, then any woman who is likely to pull off a reenactment of the story, with you playing the cuckolded beta role, is the one who’s a good liar and savvy enough to be horrified by you telling it.

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  90. She will learn nothing from this, even if she pays, either with money or jailtime or both. She’ll continue to think the same stupid shit.

    One of the many reasons you should never argue with a woman unless it’s to make her feel bad about herself. Hoping to change her mind is just futile.

    Actually, hoping to change anyones mind is pointless. Just make them feel horrible or kill them. Thus Spake Me.

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  91. on September 20, 2010 at 8:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””Thursday
    Like the dumb broad dressed in a tramp’s miniskirt walking at 2AM through a well-known bad neighborhood, the man who willfully blinds himself to the nature of women deserves some of the fault for creating his shitworld.

    I’m not sure this is the case, when it has been drilled into men’s heads almost from birth that women are all good.
    ””””’
    Well some of our moms explained to us that woman were not all sugar and spice but also conniving and cable of manipulation to achieve their ends.

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  92. Mark, Dana was talking about you, not about the woman. If you find your woman horrified by the idea, turn her around and direct her to an exit. If you are up to it, you can make your point clearer by a kick into a behind, if she seem to be frozen in place by the horrificity of the idea.

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  93. Citizen Renegade,

    There is “Divorce Insurance” being sold now. Time magazine article here,

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015772,00.html?hpt=C2

    Its called “Wedlock” (pretty snazzy marketing name), and it costs some $1200 per year. It apparently is a hedge against divorce and will recompensate some of your assets. You have to be married and paying the premium for four years before you can collect. Im somewhat encouraged by this development, that some parties are at least noticing asset-rape, as a too-often-occuring-happenstance.

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  94. Vodka and Ground Beef

    That woman looks like a young Charles Manson fresh from a killing spree in Benedict Canyon. The beta had it coming.

    You do look a bit like her sister. A nutty sister, which is marginally better, but just this much .. (check the distance between two dots).

    Let’s have a child together

    I thought with your unrelenting advertisement, you’d have at least 5 by this time. What’s the matter?

    and fight about it ’til the break of dawn. I’ll sue you harder faster slower.

    I don’t think a law suit and a fuck cadences parallel each other.

    Wait…! Unless you want to sue someone to fuck that person really bad, I can concede that your idiosyncratic expression has some clout.

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  95. mark

    i meant as part of a series of shit tests for good marriage material not as one question

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  96. There is “Divorce Insurance” being sold now

    I know. Their actuaries make you fill out Roissy’s “Dating Market Value for Men” questionnaire.

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  97. Nowhere, nowhere in any sphere of discussion is the rank and putrid hypocrisy of the Feminist movement more obvious than when it comes to the concept of Paternity.

    Women simply don’t care. They care about one thing and one thing alone: Their own power.

    They don’t give a shit about equality. it’s about Gimme Gimme Gimme. Every social movement that came out of the Baby Boomers was exactly the same. Gimme.

    Responsibility – the problems of Others – irrelevant. Entitlement and Gimme.

    That’s all you need to know about feminism.

    And the naked, absolutely naked truth of this is painfully obvious when it gets to cuckoldry.

    Women don’t even see it s as a problem. Don’t you know–

    They’re ENTITLED to getting some man, any man they like, to support them and their children?

    Regardless of his ambitions to have his own children?

    It’s virtually impossible to talk to feminists about this. They refuse to engage and then talk about how important the child is and how irresponsible males are.

    Well, obviously, we know where they stand on how important the males are.

    As in: Wallets, please. Then get lost.

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  98. on September 20, 2010 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””
    It costs about $16 a month for every $1,250 of coverage.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015772,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz107ae4xBf

    ””””’

    192 per unit for 1250 coverage and you need to be married 4 years.

    ””””””””It costs about $16 a month for every $1,250 of coverage. But to discourage people from signing up just prior to their divorce, policyholders must ante up for four years before the policy will pay out. It adds a premium of $250 per unit for every year the marriage survives beyond four. So if a policyholder who bought 10 units got divorced after 10 years, he or she would have handed over $19,188 and would receive a payout of $27,500.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015772,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz107bH8GGK”””””””’

    So they are hedging bets divorce historically 50 percent so if everyone takes insurance they make money.

    4.3 percent interest around.

    So they make 57 percent on the money they recieve not to bad.

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  99. This is sad and I could understand you all need to protect yourself.
    My brothers and I have a close dear friend (male) who went through the exact same thing. He loved those kids (2) dearly and he was a great father. Sad very sad. He is happily remarried now. We love him.

    BTW, how can I get my pink icon back? help! I don’t like blue.

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  100. on September 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    Think about it though if that dude had gotten the kid upon seperation then none of this would have come up. He probably wouldn’t have cared whether it was his or not so much after raising the kid 17 years.

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  101. on September 20, 2010 at 9:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well what you must have used an email address or something.

    Go to workpress create account and then you can even choose your icon.

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  102. I still don’t get it! hehe!! I am electronically challenged! I’ll get someone live to help me. thanks. I miss my pink icon. boooo.

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  103. what, the icons are assigned by the blog, randomly. Not sure why they change, they just do. So, here is what you do… Once you see the one you like, you right-click and save to your hard drive. Then you go to gravatar.com, and sign up. You then can associate that image with your email that you are using for this blog. But you are not stuck to these fractal icons, you could just upload your real piccie! 🙂

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  104. on September 20, 2010 at 9:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    wait a sec once you got the lump sum though half would go back to wife.

    ”””’$19,188 and would receive a payout of $27,500”””’

    27500 divide by 2 equals 13750 each spouse.

    It is a suckers bet you get back less than you put in at the end.

    Don’t be a chump.

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  105. I said…no picie!!! hahahhah!

    Morsellaux! you bad!

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  106. on September 20, 2010 at 9:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    surely it would be considered a marital asset and split he he he

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  107. Gun, right. However in the spirit of equality, the married couple should be paying each their half.

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  108. what, durn, I hoped you’ve forgotten you said that! 🙂

    In any case, that is how you get your perm avatar.

    You’re welcome. 🙂

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  109. on September 20, 2010 at 9:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Still though I think best thing a man can do is basically set his woman up for life with her help and then probably not so much to worry about as far as her having feelings of wanting to fuck him over when he has already made her good to go as far as being able to eat and owning a house and not having to worry about too much except him not being there.

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  110. on September 20, 2010 at 9:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    And make her live next door to her mom to help keep the bitch in check.

    I am not real sure it was a man who started putting out the bad mother in law hype.

    Think how many woman get along with their mothers?

    Yea not to many because mothers try to control daughters.

    So yea as long as you treated the woman decent and took care of her I think her mom is going to be on your side especially when you make it clear that you intend to have your wife live next door he he he

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  111. Gun,you are a noble guy. But I’ll qoute a friend of mine who after stting up his wife per “gun method” was taken to cleaners. After me asking what happened to his car, his comment was: ” I underestimated the capacity of vagina to stretch.”

    I think his former wife was one of these ladies that at some point in their life remark: “What is the point of being rich if everyone is?”

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  112. If this guy sticks to his guns and wins the lawsuit he will become a self satisfied good looking dude unwilling to emotionally commit and will drive women crazy. Hopefully.

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  113. on September 20, 2010 at 10:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Could happen or I could hope for insurance to help lol

    I’d rather someone I had cared about be allright than an insurance company or the stock market get my money.

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  114. on September 20, 2010 at 10:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    Kind of an end goal in and of itself to make my woman independant.

    I already had the money to buy all the material posessions I ever wanted and chose not to.

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  115. Morsellaux,

    perm avatar…I thought you meant perm as in perming my hair….I am a girl! ha! and avatar I thought you meant the movie! hehe!…

    Thanks!

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  116. Instead of sniveling and feeling sorry for yourself, you can always refrain from sticking your cock in every hideous pussy you encounter.

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  117. Actually, in your case, your odds are far better than to rely on insurance company.
    There is a self-insurance policy available. It is called the Game.

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  118. on September 20, 2010 at 10:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’d rather feel sorry for myself for a while and go out hard.

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  119. what, but your babelfish seems to be working, after the initial confusion! 😉

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  120. babelfish? yes, I like sea bass. lol!!!

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  121. on September 20, 2010 at 10:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    watching end game again this shit is funny.

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  122. on September 20, 2010 at 10:27 pm Anonymouses Anonymous

    Many things to say. First, those of you living with mothers of kids-not-yours, be aware that increasingly, judges are forcing men who leave said whores that they must pay child support for the kids-not-yours. The feeling is, “you aggreed to make the child part of your life” so you have to support them.

    Next. About this guy. He wasn’t much at the time of their getting together. he was an assistant photographer, and she was a woman of some status. Plus, it’s been 20 years, so she hit the wall a while ago, and with that beak, she no doubt got lodged there. Maybe she was a 6-7 back in the day. Think Barbara Streisand in Funny Girl.

    Finally, I am not holding my breath, knowing today’s court are against the man, but on the longshot hope he does get his money back, I would love to see him spend the money on a full page ad in the New York Times, with her headshot you have above, and the headline, “THIS WOMAN IS A LYING BITCH!”

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  123. on September 20, 2010 at 10:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well you could prob do a national add on tv for around 17k per add.

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  124. When I was younger my hair was completely red. I should not have to explain the rest.

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  125. Dale wanegard

    Instead of sniveling and feeling sorry for yourself, you can always refrain from sticking your cock in every hideous pussy you encounter.

    Not fucking every hideous pussy, absolutely agree. In fact, I recommend skipping that segment of sexual market entirely. Pick the nice ones!

    But here is the thing… I may have misinterpreted your comment. I know that it would sound rather counterintuitive to you, but the guys that are not glued to one pussy seem to have a better insurance policy. Whether the guy is into a variety, or just does not care to be glued and practices one flesh thing only in specific circumstances, both rarely have this kind of problem.

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  126. on September 20, 2010 at 10:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    Mine was blond. lol

    Yea I am a cuckhold kid.

    I’m a cuckhold now.

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  127. She reminds me of Wendy Schwartz – that reptilian unfeminine look scoured into her features.

    Also, this needs to be quoted again:

    “…and your motherhood card revoked in a public shaming spectacle so outrageous you spend the rest of your life a mere husk of a woman devising macabre ways to off yourself and end the unremitting emotional pain that forever tortures your every waking moment.

    THAT is what’s fair, you filthy festering cunt”.

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  128. on September 20, 2010 at 10:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    dad was like why is he blond?

    Mom was like that happens sometimes in my family lol

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  129. “Let me tell you what’s fair, MIZZ Meerkat — a full remittance of all child custody monies plus interest and punitive damages paid forthwith to your ex-husband, jail time that is the equivalent of whatever sentence a man would receive for raping a woman and burdening her with the cursed spawn that was the result of such an unholy union, and your motherhood card revoked in a public shaming spectacle so outrageous you spend the rest of your life a mere husk of a woman devising macabre ways to off yourself and end the unremitting emotional pain that forever tortures your every waking moment.

    THAT is what’s fair, you filthy festering cunt.”

    Such a charitable fate betrays a streak of beta-tude through your otherwise well-meant (and well-spoken) commentary.

    I would just have her thrown from a cliff.

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  130. on September 20, 2010 at 10:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    I guess the question is can a childs hair color change to match the live in dads like a chameleon even if not born that way?

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  131. Sam Houston, W.B. Travis, Mr. Crockett.
    They were all fucking red-heads.

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  132. on September 20, 2010 at 11:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea well custer was blond right?

    he he he

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  133. Rum

    When I was younger my hair was completely red. I should not have to explain the rest.

    Orangutan? … Naw… 🙂

    Both my parents had darker brown hair (very much gray now). All their four kids–blondes, 3 boys 100%, the girl a bit darker blonde hue. My father is an alpha (former airforce, it goes with the territory). My mother always played the second fiddle. Simple, one blonde granpa (mother’s side), and one blonde grand-granma (father’s side). Both parents carried a recessive gene that got expressed.

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  134. Look at the picture of him next to actor Ryan Reynolds.

    We’d all look like crap next to Ryan Reynolds but it just accentuates how pathetic he is.

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  135. on September 20, 2010 at 11:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’I may have misinterpreted your comment. I know that it would sound rather counterintuitive to you, but the guys that are not glued to one pussy seem to have a better insurance policy. Whether the guy is into a variety, or just does not care to be glued and practices one flesh thing only in specific circumstances, both rarely have this kind of problem.””””

    Yea that is the problem for most people it is counter intuitive for born players it is natural.

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  136. This guy Douglas is a case study demonstrating how a conventionally high status man can be a beta in his soul.

    Check out Bill Gates’ recent comments about his children’s inheritance. It seems to me an alpha male wants to give his children every possible competitive financial advantage. Yet Beta Bill expects them to be middle class worker drones while he gives his fortune to help the Third World. No doubt his owner/wife Melinda played a major part in his decision.

    Reaper

    She reminds me of Wendy Schwartz – that reptilian unfeminine look scoured into her features.

    Remember Wendy Schwartz has a baby out of wedlock by a guy who left her and who has never spoken to her again. Yet she has relationships with beta guys who serve her interests.

    Yet she totally resists understanding the alpha/beta evolutionary psychology behind it all.

    I’m not a Wendy Schwartz hater but she is clearly in denial about these issues.

    The father of her son may be a dirtbag but he’s an Alpha dirtbag. The men she has childless and often sexless relationships with may be good guys but they are beta good guys.

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  137. Seriously rich, hyper-violent,

    Morselleuxx

    Seriously rich, hyper-violent. Red-haired family of mine…

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  138. Gunslingergregi
    ””””
    It costs about $16 a month for every $1,250 of coverage.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015772,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz107ae4xBf

    ””””’

    192 per unit for 1250 coverage and you need to be married 4 years.

    ””””””””It costs about $16 a month for every $1,250 of coverage. But to discourage people from signing up just prior to their divorce, policyholders must ante up for four years before the policy will pay out. It adds a premium of $250 per unit for every year the marriage survives beyond four. So if a policyholder who bought 10 units got divorced after 10 years, he or she would have handed over $19,188 and would receive a payout of $27,500.

    Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2015772,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz107bH8GGK”””””””’

    So they are hedging bets divorce historically 50 percent so if everyone takes insurance they make money.

    4.3 percent interest around.

    So they make 57 percent on the money they recieve not to bad.
    —————————————————————————–

    Greg,

    Thanks for running the numbers. I should have done that. It doesn’t look like a good deal at all does it.? If the policy-buyer simply invested the money, he’d probably come out ahead even if he divorced and had to halve it. Oh well. At least it represents that some business has recognized asset-rape as a existential circumstance of this civilization for men at this time.

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  139. One thing I wanted to talk about (well, two actually, but someone already clarified what the blood group inconsistency has to be for it to be impossible: Kid to have a bloodgroup that the father couldn’t have contributed to, taking into account the recessiveness of O), is the rate of deceitful bastardy.

    As some of you may know, there has been extensive genotyping done in Iceland, driven forward by deCODE Genetics. One of the things they had to take into account was, in fact, children not matching the stated fathers. NOT the “legal” father (they really don’t care about legalities, they want the phylogeny and want to reconstruct their inheritance), but the stated father – by the mother. They found around 8% rate of falsely stated parenthood. And this rate was found out by actually genotyping the blood samples, so it’s pretty solid evidence. And that’s falsely stated parenthood when given somewhere where the data is encrypted, protected, and will never be available for anyone to link directly to her.

    That’s the rate of individuals, says nothing about the distribution of them (as in, what % of marriages had stealth bastards in, given that there can be variation in the number of bastards – they couldn’t find that out even if they wanted, given the data protection scheme Iceland uses), but I would be very suspicious of anyone claiming smaller numbers than that on any other culture, seeing as Iceland is quite possibly the most permissive one when it comes to out-of-wedlock motherhood and acceptance of slutting around with several men (and having kids with all of them).

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  140. Something I don’t get about that divorce insurance thing. If you have to put $19,188 to get $27,500, and given that half of that will go to the wife, what’s the point?

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  141. The nasty whore has a Twitter feed.

    Ameena Meer’s Twitter feed

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  142. This story ably demonstrates how a man can be alpha and still a pathetic mangina.

    Andrew Douglas is alpha in the sense that he could probably score young hot chicks at will—he’s wealthy and a fairly well-known director with access to A-list movies stars. But he’s complete and total mangina with no sense of his of masculine self-interest or even self-preservation. The only way a man accepts a woman’s word on paternity is if he is a mangina. Period.

    Being alpha is not enough, folks. You must also cleanse your mind of the feminist social conditioning that you have been brainwashed to accept from since before you could even speak. This means questioning everything, accepting nothing on blind faith.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/insider-look-at-pickup-artist-workshops/#comment-196093

    Betaness isn’t the ideal disposition for a man but, in my view, being a mangina is worse. A beta who has thrown off his feminist social conditioning isn’t attractive to women, but at least he isn’t at risk of being exploited by them. For the mangina—alpha or beta—this sword of Damocles draws ever nearer.

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  143. “I’ve read some comments on other posts about how there would be some benefits of Islam coming to America – generally in regards to reigning in some crazy feminist laws. I can tell you know that this won’t be the case. I’ve seen feminism creep into American Islam.”

    skip to 3:45, seems to be an interesting battle.

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  145. Someone compared her with Wendy Schwartz and that is true to large extent. As Mizz Meer is Indian feminist she must have idea that she is above Douglas..new breed of fucking feminists from India are going to fuck even whites!!hahahaha…..

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  146. A cardiac specialist died and at his funeral the coffin
    was placed in front of a huge mock up of a heart made up of
    flowers. When the pastor finished with the sermon and
    eulogy, and after everyone said their good-byes, the heart
    opened, the coffin rolled inside and the heart
    closed. Just then one of the mourners burst into laughter.

    The guy next to him asked: “Why are you laughing?”

    “I was thinking about my own funeral” the man replied.

    “What’s so funny about that?”

    “I’m a gynecologist.”

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  147. A good start also would be NEVER marry a woman whose family is poor or lower class than yours.

    Are you kidding me?! If her biological merits are important to you, you will get better biology by trading your higher status for her beauty.

    Always go for the lower class girls.

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  148. Question: Doesn’t the fact that this guy is willing to try to slug it out and get his money back give him some sort of “alpha points”?

    I’m not trying to say he *is* alpha. He fucked up.

    But taking on the system like this seems like he is trying to maybe move into what… greater beta or something?

    I mean, if he took it lying down, said yes dear, and continued to pay alimony and child support and what not, my contempt for him would be absolute.

    But since he’s fighting back, it seems like he should get some points.

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  149. anony

    “Cuckoldry is silent, stealthy reverse osmosis rape.”

    nah – apples is apples and oranges is oranges.

    It can hamper communication to use a metaphor in place of a simili. It would be at least as meaningful to equate rape with cuckoldry by saying that cuckoldry is equal or worse to a man than rape is to a woman. The metaphor of saying that it IS rape just rolls of the tongue better.

    Cuckoldry is like rape. Does that work for you?

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  150. “Non-paternity rates for men who are certain they are the father are about 2%.

    Non-paternity rates for men who are suspicious of their wives/girlfriends are around 30%.”

    2% for being certain is pretty high number in itself.

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  151. ..decapitate this slut

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  152. Why insist on paternity testing in a prenup or wait for mandatory paternity testing?

    Just buy a drugstore kit and do the test when mom isn’t around. It’s well worth the piece of mind.

    But anyway, it seems that some of you Men’s Rights Activists are going a bit overboard. You seem to believe that all women are cuckoldresses in the same way that feminists believe that all men are rapists.

    The fact is that most (white) men would never rape anyone and most (white) women would never cuckold anyone.

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  153. Not enough males in this world will understand that this child support aspect of feminism is probably the greatest act of war committed on us. It hangs like a sword over our Johnsons making us scared to get women pregnant.

    That’s huge. But Anglo males grew up thinking this threat was normal. We’ve been raised to think Deadbeat Dads are abhorrent. We’ve swallowed this simplistic ideological poison.

    In the past, Alphas were getting women pregnant left and right and leaving the grandparents (or guys like the Virgin Mary’s Joseph) to fund the child’s upbringing.

    Alpha DNA was getting spread around (if there’s a genetic component to that).

    Because of western feminism, Alphas have, over the past 50+ years, become proficient at *not* getting women pregnant and this DNA testing regime we have now has only made it *worse* for Alphas who, prior to 1991, were able to to get Beta males to raise children for them.

    Alphas are being bred out of the western population.

    The old system still exists in Russia and much of Eastern Europe. But the EU feminist regime will be shutting down Alphas’ ability to reproduce for good in this region soon.

    Right now there are largely no child support laws over here, at least none that are enforced (or you pay $50 per month per child).

    If I’m not going to be getting married on principle, I should be getting a few amazons pregnant now and it would be great if the woman’s parents foot the bill to raise the children (in this region, $200 per month would raise a child extremely well and I could afford that – voluntarily – for a few offspring but I couldn’t afford $1000 per month mandated by the local government because that would involve me sacrificing my social life with new women).

    New child support laws are probably on their way to Russia and East Europe, however, which will DIRECTLY threaten my ability to reproduce because I refuse at all costs to put myself into a financial bind paying women whom I no longer want to sleep with STEALTH ALIMONY that would cause me to be unable to continue dating hot women.

    Will Citizen Renegade help organize international opposition to the encroaching feminist world empire? Or is this blog post like spitting into the wind as darkness descends on men’s ability to get women pregnant to actually spread the seed?

    The first thing we will need to do is make sure that the term DEADBEAT DAD is exposed as a SHAMING TECHNIQUE of the feminists. We have to make it perfectly clear that we don’t hate men who refuse to do what the STATE tells him to do. Child support needs to be voluntary. There are grandparents or a new boyfriend to help raise a baby if the biological father doesn’t want to be part of his life.

    And most men will voluntarily send what they can afford to a child whose life they want to be a part of.

    Meanwhile, the new boyfriend should only pay for the kid as long as he wants that kid to be his (as in, the child will grow up to be thankful and maybe take care of him in his old age).

    Right now, a man fleeing draconian child support laws can find refuge in Dubai, Saudi Arabia and South Korea among some other places.

    In my lifetime I’d like to see men take over an entire country and go into a diplomatic and media war with the USA as we will help all men escape with their assets in times of divorce. What if real men took over Fox News?

    A country run by Alphas could get very rich, very fast as millionaires and billionaires transfer their assets to a country that is overly pro-male.

    We could have the model constitution as well – with men’s rights specifically spelled out so no feminist revolution 200 years from now (disguised as a sexual revolution) can vote the rights and privileges away with White Knighter politicians doing the bidding.

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  154. on September 21, 2010 at 3:06 am Rumpole_stiltskin

    From the twitter feed.

    “takeoutcreative @My1stPregnancy please don’t fuel flames. he’s dropped all charges but the damage has been done to a fragile teenager. you’re a mother, too.”

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  155. I meant, of course, that the new country would be overtly pro-male, not overly pro-male.

    It isn’t a joke but a great business idea.

    Not only would it be possible to turn a Caribbean island into a pro-male asset-protecting nation with representation at the United Nations, I believe we could take over a place like Belorussia or Moldavia (with the local men completely agreeing with us) and make it rich.

    Huge wealth transfers from men getting divorced would make the leaders of the new republic wealthy. If we do this, I want in as a founding father. 😉

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  156. on September 21, 2010 at 3:49 am Gunslingergregi

    Former bosnian countries are prob wide open for that now as the men there have been getting fucking blind sided the fuck out of by woman with their brand new feminyeast laws courtesy of the red white and blue. First they massacred each other then their woman fucked them.
    Talk about a shithole.

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  157. carve this in stone somewhere:

    “the alpha male by his character and his game exerts a calming, domesticating influence over the nastier primitive spirits animating a woman’s will.”

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  158. Stop trying to save the betas from themselves! Betas get off on being victimized by women, just as some women like being physically abused by men. Don’t try to be their savior.

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  159. on September 21, 2010 at 3:54 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””’When a girl says ‘I think I love you’ in a drunken state, you do NOT want to reply ‘Aw, baby, that’s just the liquor talking’. BF FAIL””””’

    lol you supposed to say I know baby.

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  160. on September 21, 2010 at 4:01 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’Rarfy
    Stop trying to save the betas from themselves! Betas get off on being victimized by women, just as some women like being physically abused by men. Don’t try to be their savior.
    ””””””

    Ya might be right on some of them but some men can have there eyes opened so they do not end up in a position of having to kill a bitch for being stupid. They can get out of country and have some kind of a normal relationship maybe. Or just be able to accept the system and work within it. Don’t worry bout having as many kids as you want you will be paying child support anyway.

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  161. on September 21, 2010 at 4:14 am gunslingergregi

    In dealing with woman give them nothing to hold onto in their minds and no way to fool themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.

    Make it explicitly clear.

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  162. Maybe more of these cuckolded men need to take the law into their own hands and shoot these lying cunts in the back of the head.

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  163. on September 21, 2010 at 4:31 am gunslingergregi

    They can’t mr. c that is the beauty of fucking over mass people the percentage of real fighters is low no matter what you do especially if you create a system to get those fighters out of system then you can like I said do anything to whats left.

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  164. on September 21, 2010 at 4:42 am gunslingergregi

    Then like someone said before about college only allowing certain types of people in well yea you only allow the weak to be strong.

    Then anyone who goes outside the party line loses their job right?

    How many times have you heard someone talk about losing their job for how they think or utilizing free speech?

    A lot.

    How the fuck can you lose your job for how you think and call it a free country?

    I mean if a bitch can get money for supposed sexual harrassment that didn’t happen there should be a real windfall of money for lawyers sueing companies for thought policing.

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  165. @Mr. C

    No, it has to be handled on a macro scale and it may not even be necessary to someday send the White Knighter politicians and judges who agreed to these laws to a firing squad. Its our job to send them into retirement.

    What men need first is ownership of a TV station like Fox News as well as the strength of the leader of a country like Russia or even Saudi Arabia behind them.

    There is a strong chance of getting through to someone like Putin or the King of Saudi Arabia or Dubai. We know these guys are sympathetic already. Its just that American guys like Roissy aren’t socializing with them…yet.

    Then they would bring our views to the front pages of CNN, for instance with something like this:

    “Breaking News: The Sheremetevo Airport outside Moscow has just refused landing rights to a KLM jet because of suspicions that a possible feminist is on board.”

    Don’t think Putin wouldn’t do a stunt like that.

    Stories like that would be hard for the media to hide if it involved the male leaders of strategic nations

    That would wake up American and Anglo men big time.

    The controversy would then finally become political inside the USA, Australia and the UK.

    It would also help the War on Terror to let terrorists know we consider feminists to be worse than they are.

    They might think “Well, then we agree on something big”.

    Is everyone aware that Al Qaeda specifically shows Britney and Madonna kissing in their terror recruitment videos? Their audience could be just looking to us to do something about the feminism the US State Department (and Bush’s CPA) has been trying to export to places like Iraq.

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  166. Important advice – Don’t make the same mistake I made last night:

    Do not EVER leave your apartment not dressed for game.

    Should I repeat that five times? Maybe CR should post on this subject.

    Last night at home around 9PM I stupidly agreed to accompany a woman visitor to the nearest bus station even though I wasn’t dressed and a man should get women into the habit of leaving with him undressed at home. I figured we’d take a short-cut through the woods so I wouldn’t get caught by another woman with her.

    I threw on an old pair of sweatpants with no shorts underneath and an ugly bulky sweater. When I’d thrown her (an 8) in a taxi so I wouldn’t have to wait for a bus, I realized I really needed some groceries and jumped into a store.

    As I was struggling to get a shopping cart free while keeping my sweat pants from falling down, a 9.5 whom I always wanted to meet walked right in next to me. She was on the phone but did look down at me holding up the pants with a “What the Hell” look.

    I’ve rarely been so humiliated in years.

    And when it rains it pours: an 18 year old store clerk (another 9 – in this part of the world they put Americans so much to shame that you’d have to travel here at least once to believe it) whom I didn’t think was working, came out of the backroom. We said hi. She didn’t look at the outfit.

    I just said to myself “Screw this” and went home. 😦

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  167. Grampa says, “In case you think her behavior is limited to a few bad women, just bring up the topic of mandatory paternity testing with a group of “good” women.”

    I was sitting in a cafe with a couple of friends discussing this. Some women who overheard us agreeing that there should be mandatory paternity testing and a penalty for “oops” out-of-wedlock pregnancies (like waived or reduced child support entitlement), and called us “primitive”.

    I called her a whore. That was the end of that conversation because she didn’t want any of this.

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  168. @Nicole

    I don’t understand why you called someone a whore or why she called you primitive. She agreed with CR.

    ————————-

    Meanwhile Mel Gibson is being raked over the coals for having had a liaison with a young woman that resulted in a baby. In her home country of Russia, if a man there had gotten her pregnant there would likely be zero recourse for her to get any child support, etc. from him.

    Today there are new revelations of how this Beta Movie Star wrote emails/texts to her during the relationship:

    http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/20/mel-gibson-email-oksana-grigorieva-failure-iphone-domestic-violence/

    Every sentence Mel Gibson wrote to her was Beta.

    That may explain why she’s been coldly trying to destroy his life recently.

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  169. For once in a long while we have a political fight in the US where one male candidate questions the manhood of the other – New York’s new gubernatorial race:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/21/2010-09-21_cuomo_responds_to_paladino.html

    Paladino hasn’t yet mentioned that Cuomo is the bitch of womens rights groups.

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  170. on September 21, 2010 at 9:32 am gunslingergregi

    ””””If the stereotype of the macho man is the whiskey-drinking, womanizing Don Draper, then the popular perception of “feminist” is an angry, militant, man-hater—decrying the patriarchy while she burns her bra. It’s a cliché that, for decades now, has pitted the Marlboro Man against Rosie the Riveter, labeling women who rally behind men as antifeminist, and men who support women as weak, or worse. But even Gloria Steinem knew—back before women were even allowed to write at NEWSWEEK—that it was going to take both sides of the gender coin to achieve true parity. Testifying before Congress on behalf of the Equal Rights Amendment in 1970, Steinem proclaimed that one crucial aspect of women’s empowerment was “a return of fathers to their children.” “Women’s liberation,” Steinem declared, “is men’s liberation too.”””””’

    Don draper as macho?
    More like pathetic.

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  171. on September 21, 2010 at 9:38 am jerry is a feminist's dream come true

    jerry says: Because of western feminism, Alphas have, over the past 50+ years, become proficient at *not* getting women pregnant and this DNA testing regime we have now has only made it *worse* for Alphas who, prior to 1991, were able to to get Beta males to raise children for them. Alphas are being bred out of the western population.

    jerry, are you against MPT?

    jerry says:
    If I’m not going to be getting married on principle, I should be getting a few amazons pregnant now
    Child support needs to be voluntary. There are grandparents or a new boyfriend to help raise a baby if the biological father doesn’t want to be part of his life.

    jerry, do you want to intentionally get women pregnant with no intention of raising or supporting the offspring?

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  172. Why is it so hard for feminists and manginas to fathom the concept that men have a vested interest in NOT being scammed.

    This interest extends to virtually all our dealings with feminists/socialists etc who have a horrible and clear track record of using bullying, deceit and power-tripping to advance their agenda.

    Eventually, they will consume themselves with Lady GaGa as the High Priestess eventually eating her own children.

    Watch for it.

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  173. Jerry, I don’t always agree with CR.

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  174. on September 21, 2010 at 10:02 am gunslingergregi

    ”””’Eventually, they will consume themselves with Lady GaGa as the High Priestess eventually eating her own children.

    Watch for it.
    ””””

    What the fuck else ya gonna eat if the grocery stores empty. I think should start with feminists though.

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  175. Get a vasectomy. Problem solved.

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  176. on September 21, 2010 at 10:21 am gunslingergregi

    Take out the middle woman then bring her back in to partake after you get your kids.

    Feminists said they don’t need men but then were recieving all kinds of monetary benefits for having kids.

    I don’t need anyones input to have my kid raised.

    Men really don’t need anyone to give them a fucking thing to help raise kids.

    Have a nice day.

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  177. on September 21, 2010 at 10:23 am gunslingergregi

    Woman need need need need need all this shit.

    Guys just make it happen.

    I set it up so the kid I feel responsible for is fine so is my woman.

    P.S.

    FUCK YOU,

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  178. Jerry
    “New child support laws are probably on their way to Russia and East Europe, however, which will DIRECTLY threaten my ability to reproduce because I refuse at all costs to put myself into a financial bind paying women whom I no longer want to sleep with STEALTH ALIMONY that would cause me to be unable to continue dating hot women.”

    –> Haha Im starting to think Jerry is one of the feministing girls, sent over here to make the whole board, and the whole mens cause thing, look more and more ridiculous. Funny stuff!

    If Jerry is actually for real then he would probably go a long way toward convincing most people, guys and girls alike, that feminism isn’t so bad after all. IE if it’s Jerry running around other countries paying poor girls for sex and abandoning the resulting babies, VS those bad bad evil feminists who actually want dads to take care of their kids, then Im pretty sure the feminists would win that one.

    I think Jerry should post his picture, and with at least one of his supposed longterm girlfriends, so that we know hes for real. The boy talks big, and he’s in a country where posting his picture here isnt going to have any fallout, so … let’s see your face my man haha

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  179. on September 21, 2010 at 10:32 am gunslingergregi

    I should say woman in west are conditioned to need all that crap.

    My womans mom would survive a complete meltdown of all basic services just fine without missing a stride.

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  180. You nailed it when you said MPT “would increase single mom-hood and abortion rates.” However, that’s also why politicians will oppose MPT. They don’t want men to know, so the betas pay and not the nanny state.
    MPT might increase birthrates, though, particularly for wealthy fathers. And future taxpayers is what most developed nations’ politicians want more of.

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  181. on September 21, 2010 at 11:09 am gunslingergregi

    200 years of paying on woman.

    200 years?

    We own you.

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  182. on September 21, 2010 at 11:17 am gunslingergregi

    If you don’t want to raise the kid not a problem for us to find another woman who will.

    You are not needed as an individual.

    Plenty of woman willing and able to raise some kids with us.

    You western entitled bitch need to be out of equation because your fucking it up.

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  183. There’s a lot of talk about paternity testing. As a father who is not involved in any way whatsoever with the shrew who bore my child – pursuing a paternity test has an added bonus to it – you will inspire an ire in the woman that is volcanic in nature – essentially you are calling her a slut. She will never, EVER want anything to do with you again after you go through with the test. It also looks good in a court of law if you are the father and you were the one to request said test, through a lawyer of course.

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  184. on September 21, 2010 at 11:45 am gunslingergregi

    Take the kid away from her society doesn’t need another shrew abusing another kid.

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  185. on September 21, 2010 at 11:48 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    For an example of long term radical cuckolding, watch the Jim Cavezal version of “Count of Monte Cristo”. Won’t say more so as to not ruin it for anyone.

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  186. “If you don’t want to raise the kid not a problem for us to find another woman who will.

    You are not needed as an individual.

    Plenty of woman willing and able to raise some kids with us.”

    As a female, I’d so love to disagree with your statement about women being useless, not needed, etc. But then I remember how pitiful breastfeeding initiation rates are, and for those who do nurse, how quickly the rates drop off by the 6-month mark. So, essentially any non-nuring mother of an infant IS useless, at least biologically useless. Of course, that’s not PC to say. But females circa 2010 want to not “be the only person who can feed the baby” so they forgo nursing. Afterall, by the time you factor in manicures, afternoon tennis, all-girls weekends, and an HR job, there wouldn’t be any time left to nurse the baby. As a female, it’s sad that so many women have rendered themselves obsolete.

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  187. When it comes to pregnancy (or the suspicion thereof) there is something in the female DNA that will turn even the meekest woman into a murderous, ball punching, manipulative, lying bitch on two wheels. Case in point. When I was in my early 20s I was banging a Dutch au pair. Besides her frosty Dutch personality it was a pretty good relationship and the sex was awesome. Then one day she shows up on my doorstep in hysterics. The only time I ever saw a genuine emotion from her. She was late. Before I could open my mouth she was threatening to fly in her two monster sized Dutch brothers to kick my ass. I then told her to relax and get a test before jumping the gun. She freaked again claiming she knew her own body and how could you do this to me?

    After hours of theatrics I convinced her that if she was pregnant we should consider an abortion? She wholeheartedly agreed but insisted I had to foot the entire bill and threatened me with her dumb brothers again! Long story short? She was NOT pregnant and wanted to get back together with me? My response? Fuck you. Never heard from her again. She is probably fat and married now and making some Dutchman perfectly miserable.

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  188. “Take the kid away from her society doesn’t need another shrew abusing another kid.”

    I’m in the courts. The woman deliberately left my name off the child’s birth certificate, and has attempted to justify it with the excuse that I was “hard on her during the pregnancy”. My lawyer asked her to elaborate and she wouldn’t…..the reason? She was drinking wine on a weekly basis, and I was getting on her case about it. So obviously, she doesn’t want to elaborate. I have emails where she and her friend both acknowledged that this was occurring.

    Thankfully, my genes have completely over-ridden the mother’s, and the baby has no health problems. Since then, more has come to light – namely that the mother was in rehab for drug and alcohol abuse. Another black pock on her – she said she only had a ‘couple of drinks’ but with her, it’s obvious that it’s never just a ‘couple of drinks’.

    She’s running scared now as my lawyer has made two requests at mediation. Next stop will be court. Also, we have discovered that she had a DUI…..

    Things aren’t looking good for her. She tried to make me out to be a dead beat dad, however, none of the agencies have been able to come after me because there is no legal establishment of paternity.

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  189. True that many other countries, especially Russia, want more white babies and aren’t going to discourage it by promoting child support laws that make men scared to do it without a condom.

    I’m no racist but I’d say its high time that the American government stopped disincentivizing white educated people to reproduce.

    Many countries with a sense of nationalist preservation *want* men and women to be motivated to have more children so disincentives for men, such as high child support payments for only one child, won’t fly (feminists are sneaking under the wire and winning in many new places now).

    Feminists are into convincing women and men not to want to have more children. But so are many social conservatives who push high mandatory child support laws at the same time as they are trying to make abortion illegal (you’d have to be brainless to have such a dual platform).

    I recently saw socons make a moralizing big deal about what men like Tiger Woods do in their spare time… encouraging smart men not to marry at all (and not to have kids at all) because they will be judged differently than when they were single.

    The more one talks about child support laws the more one talks about smart men not having children at all.

    And that’s too bad because I want children and I’m ready to pay a fair amount, in agreement with a woman’s parents, herself and my parents for the child to be well raised (just don’t involve any government or law).

    Now notice the way our resident feminist, Audrey, really didn’t like what I wrote and pushed hard on the shaming tactic again. You can tell by the Squeal Factor – when feminists get upset about a particular post or comment, you know that this is precisely the area on which PUAs and Mens Rights types need to fight them.

    Audrey shows that excessive child support lawmaking is sacred cow for those with her ideology. Just like it gets under her skin that men will get lapdances now and then.

    MPT Law? Not relevant to me. Its relevant to Betas who want to marry and don’t know their woman wanted better genes in the kid (see the new film “The Switch” which is about just that kind of Beta who defies the will of his LJBF friend to impregnate herself with a better man’s genes).

    I don’t actually plan on getting anyone pregnant and just abandoning her. I only recently realized, however, that this happens often enough in pro-male countries and the grandparents easily pick up the slack.

    Its the real deadbeat’s loss if he abandons his own flesh and blood entirely. But a man shouldn’t be tortured by any government into paying more than necessary including any stealth alimony.

    I wouldn’t trick another man into raising a baby of mine as his own. That would defeat the purpose. I would want to visit my kids and they would know I was the biological father.

    I wouldn’t want my flesh and blood to grow up poor or with malnutrition or with any stepfather who will smoke cigarettes in front of him. A guy who would beat my biological child would be a dead man.

    But I should be able to AFFORD more children than the current western feminist regime ALLOWS us men to have.

    If I wanted children in the USA, I would have to budget $225K per child in my plans.

    That means I could kiss dating different hot women good bye and I’d have to plan to settle down with the mother forever.

    I refuse to do that, but this is the goal of feminists and social conservatives (church women and their White Knighter husbands).

    If I wanted two children in the USA, I would have to sell myself into slavery, either by depending on a wife’s job or doubling down trying to earn huge amounts to pay huge child support bills (where the wife’s job is somehow no longer factored in by government courts).

    In pro-male countries, I could budget maybe $5000 per year per child with grandparents fully ready to help with contingencies. That input would bring luxury living to whomever raised the child.

    I wouldn’t be seen by the State as a slave who has to pay EVERYTHING because the State would not involve itself at all.

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  190. @name – the mother of my child refused to breastfeed, as it would have meant that she could not drink alcohol. So yes, essentially whenever I had my baby with me, I just needed to learn how to prepare formula. Not that I have had the baby often – the mother dangles her like a carrot in front of my child. And if you were wondering – yes, she has another child from another man, and did the same to him. And she is living off welfare, even though she has wealthy parents.

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  191. “the mother dangles her like a carrot in front of my child”

    Shoud have read “the mother dangles her like a carrot in front of myself and my family”

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  192. Jerry

    … When I’d thrown her (an 8) in a taxi … a 9.5 … an 18 year old store clerk (another 9

    Knowing Jerry’s rating scheme–transl.: 6, 7.5, 7

    The moral of the story, generally correct, the store clerk though sees you as one customer from many, if you are impeccable the next day and try to game her, she would not associate you with the guy previous day.

    OTOH, being dressed not so impeccably may bring some advantages, if you decide to use it in your favor, rather than display shame and a lack of confidence because of a perceived faux pas. Just have a good story going with it, will ya?

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  193. [Should have read “the mother dangles her like a carrot in front of myself and my family”]

    That’s what I thought you meant.

    In Russia or Eastern Europe, and you came from a wealthier family, you would just pay off the proper authorities and the child would be in your mother’s arms (or your new girlfriend’s arms) within 72 hours.

    You’d be able to see your child all the time, see that she or he was well raised, and still have money enough to have a harem.

    US fems and socons don’t want you to have enough money to date multiple women after you’ve had a child.

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  194. on September 21, 2010 at 12:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””’ If I wanted children in the USA, I would have to budget $225K per child in my plans.”””’

    You really think it cost 225k for formula some toys clothes and free school.

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  195. @Morsellaux

    So you didn’t like the photo of the British 21 year old that I called a 10? I’ve also noted that Mariah Carey was my idea of a 10 when she was 19. I really go for full figures.

    Most anglo men go for skinny women.

    For those who don’t know what he means, here’s the link he’s referring to.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1286392/Perfect-mother-lousy-lover-Being-devoted-children-cost-Sarah-marriage-She-wont-make-THAT-mistake-again.html

    Now whether the daughter Isabel (not the mother) is a 10 would depend on what she looked like in a bikini instead of that dress.

    But the look in a dress approximates my current local girlfriend who is 25 (and who is marriage material I don’t deserve).

    To me, a 9 would be close to what Mariah Carey is now.

    And better than that walked into the store last night when I was unpresentable. 😦

    I’m one of the few who’ve posted here with an image of what I like as most American men like skinny girls while many like more full-figured women:

    I’d call Britney Spears an 8 when she was 17. Other men would say she was a 10 at 17.

    One of the skinny students I had lunch with today was probably someone a normal American or Australian man would cut off his small finger for. But to me, anyone shorter than 5’8″ and lighter than 145 pounds is ugly. 😉

    I want amazons.

    So it wouldn’t have fazed me if someone who looked like Britney Spears walked into that store last night.

    It did faze me that a Mariah Carey type walked in and I was dressed like that.

    About being confident when really badly dressed, yes and no. That was the worst I ever looked in years.

    This isn’t Walmart territory where that’s OK. 😉

    I repeat: A man should not leave the house thinking he won’t be meeting anyone on the way.

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  196. on September 21, 2010 at 12:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then wait oh now you have to cook for three instead of two big fucking deal.

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  197. @Gunslinger

    [You really think it cost 225k for formula some toys clothes and free school]

    And that is the low-end of what US feminists and White Knighter social conservative men feel it should be. Of course it doesn’t come close to what food and free public education costs.

    The White Knighters want to believe they will never divorce their own wives.

    So they support laws that will destroy them personally if something went wrong in their own marriage.

    Its the Elliot Spitzer Syndrome. Spitzer signed one of the first laws in the history of mankind that made it a crime to be with a prostitute (whether you had sex or not).

    He did this to placate his radical fem wife.

    He knew he was one of those “criminals” when he signed that law. Notice how they decided to drop the charges (in order to keep the law from being challenged by the guy who signed it).

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  198. @Gunslinger

    Exactly. A woman’s parents (or my parents for that matter) would love to have a new baby in their house for which they could easily pay the entire bill for his upbringing.

    If I got a woman pregnant, long before any government should demand more than $300 per month from me, my parents should have the right to come in at a lower bid and say:

    “If the mother and her parents feel the new baby is too much of a financial burden for their households that they need more than $300 from our son…we will GLADLY take the so-called expensive baby off your hands and raise him as a third mouth to feed at our place.”

    American men need to internalize this attitude and tell the Divorce Industry to go fuck itself.

    ————————-

    That said, something just happened that will argue against my “all child support laws are bad” concept.

    I just got a phone call from a 23 year old woman who seemed to have rejected me in July but calls once per week.

    She finally explained tonight what her problem was: She was frightened that an American might leave her barefoot and pregnant.

    That is exactly what Audrey, above, accused me of wanting to do.

    She knows that there are no laws to “protect her”.

    I told her “That’s simple. We just won’t have sex. Agreed?”

    She laughed and we’ll probably see each other again now.

    She said at the end “I realize that I’ve got to get over this irrational fear of getting pregnant”.

    So a benefit of the feminist laws in the west is that it makes women less afraid of dating and sex.

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  199. I’m no racist but I’d say its high time that the American government stopped disincentivizing white educated people to reproduce.

    what exactly are you talking about? as people get richer, they have fewer children. that’s just a fact of life.

    the only exclusion to that rule happens with certain traditionalist sects, like mormons, or in areas were two populations are competing for dominance, like northern ireland. barring those exceptions, there’s very little that governments can do to get people to have more children.

    and thank god, i want to government practicing less not more social engineering.

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  200. jerry:

    I’m no racist but I’d say its high time that the American government stopped disincentivizing white educated people to reproduce.

    what exactly are you talking about? as people get richer, they have fewer children. that’s just a fact of life.

    the only exclusion to that rule happens with certain traditionalist sects, like mormons, or in areas were two populations are competing for dominance, like northern ireland. barring those exceptions, there’s very little that governments can do to get people to have more children.

    and thank god, i want to government practicing less not more social engineering.

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  201. Jerry, re rating–poking a bit of levity–you are taking yourself too seriously. 🙂

    As for your professed modus operandi to inflict your spawn on betas…

    1. An asshole is not alpha
    2. An alpha may use “asshole” as a tool.
    3. Some alphas are assholes, but not all assholes are alphas.

    What is the point of making spawn when, beside your lineage, you don’t depart to them your knowledge and your culture?

    You paint youself almost like a cartoon character, lacking depth.

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  202. j r, there’s very little that governments can do to get people to have more children.

    Getting the fuck out of people’s lives (excessive taxation and regulation) would be a good start. It would leave more money in people’s pocket for raising children, and a likelihood is that the birthrates would see an uptick of a few decimal points.

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  203. Al

    All this shit this bitch has got going against her, and she’s an arab to boot.

    She’s an apparently non religious Indian Muslim. Or from that background.

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  204. Getting the fuck out of people’s lives (excessive taxation and regulation) would be a good start. It would leave more money in people’s pocket for raising children, and a likelihood is that the birthrates would see an uptick of a few decimal points.

    exactly why do you think this? just about everywhere in the history of the world where people have become wealthier, they started having less kids. as a matter of fact, the reasons that people make more money are the exact reasons they have less children.

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  205. Gary Becker’s argument – if I recall it correctly – to explain this involved the opportunity cost of time. If you become richer, more interesting leisure choices than raising kids tend to become available to you.

    So low birthrates are a consequence of the rising shadow cost of having kids.

    Now if you raise this cost further, you get even less kids at the margin.

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  206. @Morsellaux

    You’re a bit off today in that usually you’re catching what people are writing and not what feminist trolls like Audrey are saying they’re writing.

    Of course there is no reason for me to have spawn without making sure the kids get raised properly and learn what I know (to save them decades of finding out for themselves).

    But I can raise 6 healthy children with 6 better looking women in pro-male countries for the same cost that I would be forced to pay for one child raised by a lesser looking woman in the US.

    I was saying that the OPTION of being able to spread the seed without being forced into slavery and/or financial destruction by governments is important for men to keep in Russia and other countries that haven’t yet succumbed to the western feminist “Punish Men For Reproducing” model.

    Give feminists an inch on child support, and they will take a mile. Better to leave governments out of the matter.

    You seem to agree with that as I would expect the majority of the readers here including, of course, CR.

    I would expect some American males to side a little with feminists and cross that slippery slope by saying it was necessary for governments to get involved in family matters. The idea that a deadbeat dad is an “asshole” starts one down that slippery slope unfortunately. He may be one but calling him that will force our hand to agree to draconian laws against him and, because government and feminists don’t know where to stop, against us.

    Note that the US Roe vs Wade decision gives women the RIGHT to decide not to be a part of her child’s life (that’s a bad example because Roe vs Wade allows the woman to kill whereas a deadbeat dad is just making way for the grandparents or another man to adopt the child, knowing very well it is not his biologically).

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    Regarding the ratings joke, sorry I didn’t catch it. More guys should post links to women they consider 8s, 9s and 10s. I’ve seen some guys here say that women were 10s whom I would consider 5s.

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  207. @jr

    The idea that prosperity is the only reason why white educated westerners are not having more babies, is practically a solid defense of feminism in that it takes it off the hook.

    In the context of the above post, you would be saying that I’m wrong that Child Support Laws convince smart males not to have babies…that these laws convince smart men to make damn sure they use condoms and flush them themselves.

    You’d say that maybe men think this way as a result of the laws but this doesn’t have a profound effect on reproductive rates?

    That is provocative. I believe financial concerns are the main reason why men don’t let their sperm spread around.

    Imagine that 30 years ago I was told in biology class that the lead professor had deemed my genes to be worth reproducing and that the university would pay for the upbringing of 10 children if I could be so kind as to get some beautiful volunteers pregnant.

    Why would I refuse? No man would if it cost nothing.

    If there is no cost to the man and women volunteer to be impregnated, he will do it.

    This actually DID happen in university in the following way: a fertility clinic came on campus and asked for my (and other guys’) sperm.

    Now a very rich man would conceivably decide he can afford more children one child because of the extra money…but the western feminists have outrageously instituted a progressive child support regime where rich men have to pay MORE than poor men.

    This gets governments to cause rich men not to want to reproduce any more than poor men. That is Marxist genocide before the fact.

    The state of Texas has a $1000 per month child support limit. A very rich sports pro was recently sued by a woman who had deliberately gotten pregnant by him. He established that the jurisdiction was Texas and she was furious to learn that she was only going to get $1000 per month for the trouble of getting a rich man to impregnate her.

    At the very least, men need to put a very low cap on government mandated child support with absolutely no difference in payments depending on a man’s income.

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  208. Jerry,

    OK, yea, skim reading while multitasking is not my forte. Thanks for elucidating your point, makes sense.

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  209. Does anyone know how many kids you can have in Mexico for the same cost of $1000 per month for 18 years that getting a woman pregnant in Texas would cost?

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  210. j r , donki,

    Cost of raising children has grown faster than the median income. Even for a well off middle class family it is a struggle, providing that they want to guarantee a quality of life for their offspring.

    However, the very rich families usually have an above average birthrates (roughly by one point). Simply because they are aware of what is a good replacement rate (they want to assure a lineage) and are not as pressured financially as the middle class and hiring a nanny is no big. They have another concern, not to go above certain threshold (4 kids), as to not diluting the family wealth.

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  211. Today’s middle class family of 4 (2 parents, 2 children) has less disposable income than a 1950’s family of 6 (2 parents, 4 children). One of these sad statistics.

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  212. Jerry, 5 per 1. But beware, Mexico has some agreements with US regarding child support enforcement and the payment is assessed based on your country of residence and your level of income (what government thinks it is). So, one may end up paying $1500 per month for one child in Mexico.

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  213. @Audrey

    Its great to have feminist troll input sometimes, but only if it says something substantive. In this thread you can help show your ideology by pointing out how much forced child support an American man should have to pay if his own parents were willing to take the child at no cost to him.

    While its quite a compliment that a feminist would single me out as the one they disagree with most on this forum (feminist hate is always directed at the guy who gets under their skin the most), it gets boring when all you have to say is “You can’t possibly exist”. That kind of ad hominem attack is more than lame.

    Your Marxism has shown in many worthless attacks on me, manifests itself in saying that a guy who gets a lapdance or convinces a college student to strip for him once per month is doing that with every woman he meets and, therefore somehow, probably isn’t attractive enough to date a woman normally. This is a shaming tactic that 95% of men are now well aware of. Money and Game can be a potent combination but someone who does use them in combination sometimes is not necessarily always doing so. Feminists pretend they’re dumb in order to shame guys in making such illogical conflations.

    Don’t pretend your dumb here. Grow up.

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  214. @Morsellaux

    Such agreements would be an act of war against US men.

    It would say the US State Department is a vicious enemy of US males overseas. It would be more serious than the VAWA.

    What other countries have such vicious agreements where Americans are singled out to be forced to pay American child support amounts that local men would not have to pay?

    What you just said, if true, is huge. Any links on the Internet you can refer to?

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  215. Jerry,

    It seems to be on a state level, not a federal level (child support enforcement is in states jurisdiction):

    http://www.expertlaw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12061

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  216. What would you say to the story:

    KATE Gosselin wants her ex-husband to start bringing home the bacon!

    The Kate Plus 8 star has told former spouse Jon Gosselin — with whom she raises eight children — that she wants help financially — despite the fact she received a bumper payday for her stint on Dancing With the Stars, has a new reality show and money coming in from it.

    “Kate is working her fingers to the bone to support her large family and wishes Jon would do the same,” a source told the PopEater website.

    “After the split, Jon thought he would become a bigger star without Kate. He hooked up with Michael Lohan to develop a new reality show, First Dads Club, but that didn’t work out.

    “Then Jon thought he would become the next high-end designer when he hooked up with Ed Hardy designer Christian Audigier, but that fell apart too.”

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  217. Check out this dude – violent thug has 15 children and sticks the women with the bill. Note that all the women are fat stupid proles, but nowhere does the story blame them for spreading their flabby white thighs for this guy.

    Violent history of the feckless father who has ’15 children by 14 women’

    By Paul Sims, Claire Ellicott, Jack Doyle and Nick Fagge
    Last updated at 2:37 AM on 21st September 2010

    The violent past of the feckless father who is costing the taxpayer £1.5million in benefits for his ten children by ten women was exposed last night.

    Keith Macdonald, who has been in and out of prison, may even have fathered up to 15 children – with 14 different mothers.

    The jobless 25-year-old, who met most of his conquests at bus stops, has convictions for violence against one of his ex-girlfriends.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1313807/Revealed-Violent-history-feckless-father-15-children-14-women.html#ixzz10ELy7NLo

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  218. I agree, Jerry and Morsellaux.

    I’d like to add that there is no place able to really “protect” you against women running away with your kids and even getting paid for this if they’re smart in choosing the constituency. I know of a Saudi Arabian who divorced her beta hubby when on a trip to Switzerland. Of course she got lots of cash out of the deal, basically all of his Swiss fungible assets.

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  219. Jerry —

    The state of Texas has a $1000 per month child support limit.

    where the hell did you get this number? i’ve seen you post this more than once.
    about five seconds of googling shows that it is false, and how.
    e.g.
    http://www.alllaw.com/calculators/childsupport/texas/

    plug in any decently large salary for the NCP and watch the formula return a number that is substantially greater than $1000/month.

    did you just make this figure up out of thin air?

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  220. Tarl, I for one am not ready to become a thug (or, for that matter, to emigrate), just to avoid paying alimony. I want to insure my assets and middle class lifestyle against greedy women and children who are not biologically my own.

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  221. @Manyacapo

    I have a good friend who works at NASA. His salary is about $80K. He pays $1000 per month child support to his ex-wife. He says he feels sorry for the guys in California.

    Now if its somehow worse than that even in Texas, I’d really like to know because this kind of robbery of males AND DISCOURAGEMENT FOR REPRODUCING AT ALL is disgusting.

    $1000 per month can easily raise a child if the child was with me (and I lived in the US). Where the Hell is the extra expense if the parenting adult is going to get an apartment for themselves anyway?!

    Can anyone else enlighten me about just fucking high child support is in various states?

    And what the fuck does a man’s income have to do with anything? The government says it is supposed to guarantee a minimum amount for all children. Government cannot get involved in matters, such as his income, that have NOTHING to do with that basic concept of minimum.

    Plus, the woman’s parents must be included as those responsible for a child financially…especially if they basically have custody through the daughter.

    This subject pisses me off…

    I’m single and never had to think about child support laws. I somehow heard in the background that men’s lives were being destroyed – including not being able to afford to fly to Russia from the USA on vacations to possibly meet someone worthwhile.

    There’s nothing crueler than being kept in slavery, unable to date the hot women around you. I feel sorry for the guys who can’t come to visit here in EE because they’re paying too much of their income to child support.

    The PUAs who love to say that money doesn’t matter in game are ideologically shooting themselves in the foot – every fucking dollar counts to have a good social life.

    Give the man the baby if $1000 per month doesn’t make it worthwhile for the woman to shut up and get on with good parenting.

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  222. Correction: Wherever I wrote “child support” in the rant above, I meant “stealth alimony” which is what, apparently, most of this so-called “child support” is.

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  223. Wait, the friend at NASA is a contractor. The state doesn’t necessarily have him down as making what I assume he’s making so I’ll say I’m mistaken and he claims whatever low amount necessary so that feminist income table will force him to pay “only” $1000 per month.

    I’ve got to cool off. I didn’t know things were already this bad in the States. I’ve been away for a decade.

    How far the US has sunken when really good men who love their children are forced to lie about their income so more doesn’t go to the child’s wife and her new boyfriend.

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  224. Grandpa: In case you think her behavior is limited to a few bad women, just bring up the topic of mandatory paternity testing with a group of “good” women.

    They are all against it.

    No, we’re not. Some of us are well in favour of it. Anyone who isn’t has something to hide; no amount of argument will change that. MPT harms absolutely no one, and benefits at least some. Win-win all around.

    Women are immoral to their core. Never forget that.

    Not all of us.

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  225. on September 22, 2010 at 11:44 am Gunslingergregi

    Dam that was a pretty good rant going.

    Jerry if you really want to see some heartbreaking shit.

    Talk to guys making 10 bucks an hour or how bout minimum wage.

    Those are the horror stories.

    You ain’t seen shit until you talk to a guy who really really can’t afford shit.

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  226. on September 22, 2010 at 11:47 am Gunslingergregi

    How bout while you can’t pay the support because you don’t have the money they charge you 10 percent interest on the money.

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  227. The state doesn’t necessarily have him down as making what I assume he’s making so I’ll say I’m mistaken and he claims whatever low amount necessary so that feminist income table will force him to pay “only” $1000 per month.

    that is probably what’s happening

    believe me bro, i’m as outraged as you are by the ludicrous amounts charged as “child support”
    especially in the sense that there is NO accountability — i.e., the recipient doesn’t have to provide any receipts, documentation etc. to show how the child support moneys are being spent.

    but yeah i just don’t want to see misinformation being spread, that’s all. go have a cigarette my man.

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  228. Jerry, Manycapo—

    The state of Texas has a $1000 per month child support limit. A very rich sports pro was recently sued by a woman who had deliberately gotten pregnant by him. He established that the jurisdiction was Texas and she was furious to learn that she was only going to get $1000 per month for the trouble of getting a rich man to impregnate her.

    Since I was having a hard time believing that any US state would be so reasonable these days I decided to take a look.

    It’s actually capped at $1200 /mo for one kid, $1500 for two, and $1800 for three in Texas. But there’s more good news from Texas. But there’s more good news from Texas. (I think there was a 2007 law which upped the caps some.) The rates below these caps are 20% for one, 25% for two and 30% for three kids (which is not uncommon among states, but somewhat lower than many) EXCEPT those are the percentages assessed against AFTER TAX not before tax income. That makes a HUGE difference for middle class on up men. It’s actually assessed against monthly “Resources”, which is income net of not only taxes but any health care premiums for the child.

    The way the law is written is that only the first 6k /mo in Resources have the child support percentage applied to it, but the effect is as I’ve state just above.

    http://www.helpyourselfdivorce.com/texas-child-support.html

    Texas levels of child support are not unreasonable. They would also tend to deter most women except perhaps the really poor from having “oops” pregnancies, which is good. The idea of having to pay for an oops pregnancy at all galls me though.

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  229. Jerry, Manycapo—

    Wait, the monthly Net Resources cap for applying the formula rates appears to have been raised to 7500/mo (after tax) making the cap on child support for one and two kids 1500 and 1875 in Texas. 7500/mo is 90k a year after tax, which in high tax states would mean probably about 150k a year before tax.

    However this isn’t really the cap. In higher income cases in Texas the court can order additional amounts but not by reference to the formula, which is prohibited, but rather according to any proven additional needs of the child.

    The presumptive award for a single child would be 20% of the first $7,500 of the obligor’s net monthly resources, or $1,500. Any support ordered in excess of $1,500 may only be based on the unmet needs of the child. The court may consider the circumstances of the parties in allocating the burden of meeting the child’s needs in its support order.

    http://thewoodlandsdivorce.com/2010/05/16/income-child-support/

    This is not the commensurate lifestyle type standard (or almost) that you tend to have in many states when determining child support obligations of very high earners.

    So it’s probably in most cases close to a cap.

    What NY does is cap the application of formula percentages at 300k/yr pre tax income, but then adds back in special medical and educational needs. If the payer has another kid he’s sending to private school, the court will add that to the child support payments – and often/usually college too. Remember as well that in NY the similar formula amounts to Texas are paid on PRE TAX income. Which about doubles the levels of actual monthly payments over what Texas requires.

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  230. […] – “Beta Fights Back“, “Curing Oneitis“, “A Woman Explains Why Chicks Dig Jerks“, […]

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  231. Oh god. This should be made into a horror movie. I don’t understand how ANY man can marry that kind of a monster. Monster in both personality and looks. Especially a man who’s not offensively hideous and has fame and money.

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