Marriage Vs LTRs

Let’s compare two men.

Man 1 abjures marriage. He grows older moving from one long term relationship to another, experiencing relative instability in his love life but also the thrill of the hunt and the popping freshness of pussy varietals. As he ages, the number of women who are willing to abide his no-marriage clause shrinks, as does the youthful quality of the women. But he partly compensates for this inevitability with tight game and a charming, devil-may-care attitude, which allows him to punch above his weight well into his dotage. He has no heirs that he knows of, and for some reason this does not bother him as much as people tell him it should, but the fact that he is not bothered does bother him. He wonders, often now that the years ahead of him are far fewer than the years behind him, if one of those women he loved was one to hold to the exclusion of all others. At the end, he wheezes his last with memories of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of women — of their loving ministrations and tender caresses and fleeting intimacies between window blind shafts of sunlight — dancing through his head, and in the company of a nebulous regret that refuses to dislodge.

Man 2 abjures bachelorhood. He marries at 30 after a trio of lukewarm short term relationships, and because he is a good man (or, more likely, because he is a man of middling status and dull personality with limited options in the sexual market which alleviates any threats of temptation against his virtue) he never cheats and puts his heart into pleasing his wife, who, because of her biology, inexorably grows less interested in sex with him, as her own attractiveness subsides in accord with her fattening waistline. He is healthy and content, all things considered, and he grows old fondly remembering his wife as she was many years ago, sexy and slender and whimsical, while the allure of her pussy — the only pussy he has seen and felt in twenty years — gradually diminishes, until the time comes he would rather caress pretty strangers with his eyes than caress his wife with his hands. He has two children, of whom he is very proud and loves very much, but still their existence does not relieve the gnawing that grips him in the chest when he thinks of love, and desire, that left him long ago. At the end, he wheezes his last in the company of his old wife’s tears and clouded eyes, and he drifts off to forever with memories he wished he had, and memories so distant they have receded to mere imagination.

Now… ask yourself: Which of these two men had it better?





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  1. 45th

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  2. You can have your cake and eat it too.

    How?

    Get married in late middle (or even old) age to a much younger woman.

    For example, my father married my mother when he was 60. She was 31. Granted, he was a fairly high status guy and has a youthful easy-goingness and charm most men don’t possess at 60.

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    • Man 1 can still settle down and produce progeny when he’s in his fifties or sixties if he’s fit. He will die happy, surrounded by his family, knowing that decades of banging sluts have led to finding true love.

      [heartiste: what if he spent decades banging nice girls and found true love with each of them?]

      Man 2 can still bang hot hookers. He will die content, surrounded by family, knowing that decades of threesomes with whores have kept his family intact.

      [paying for sex is not nearly as satisfying as receiving sex for free from a woman in love.]

      But what about the other Men?

      [onward!]

      Man 3 managed to snag a fat cow who produced 2.5 kids and then divorced him. After years of child support, he is old and exhausted. His age does no favors to his lack of skill with women. His children are indifferent to him at best, poisoned by their mother.

      [you’ve gotta be a huge loser to convince a fat cow she’d be better off without you.]

      Man 4 is omega to point where even a fat cow is unobtainable. He gave up at a young age and throws himself into work. After decades, financial success enables him to snag a 10. Within a decade, she divorces him and takes the kids and much of the money he worked hard to earn.

      [10 years of incomparable pleasure beats 80 years of no pleasure, no?]

      Man 5 is omega but without the financial success of Man 4. He lives his entire life feeling neither love nor lust from any woman.

      [but at least he has obamacare.]

      Man 6 sits around his trailer/ghetto, playing video games. His easy charm and demeanor allows him to bang many girls in his youth, some hot and some not so hot. Children issue forth from his loins like weeds. With easy pussy, he has no impetus to improve his station in life. In his thirties and forties he finds that telling women to, “Bring da movies” no longer works.

      [who says? because from what i see around me, the bring da movies attitude is not contingent on income or age.]

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:28 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “bring da movies” sounds to me like something a man with more than just attitude to offer would say. In that case, you’re right. That ain’t income or age dependent.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:20 am Subway Masturbator

        Keep dreaming age doesn’t matter, if you plan on hitting 70.

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      • Somewhere around 70 there’s a sudden jump, actually, in a man’s desirability, as he suddenly finds himself surrounded by widows.

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      • Heartiste, the caution I’d put forth here is that falling in love and then forcibly detaching one’s self with multiple women can do to a man what shagging multiple men does to a woman.

        Men are, at least in my observation, more forgiving of crucial flaws than women. Otherwise, none of you would be able to tolerate weakness in us. Yet our weakness is somehow part of what makes us attractive. It’s a much more emotional thing for men than is given credit by bitter bitches who failed all their lives to foster it.

        I’ve seen guys emotionally crippled by one good heartbreak. Many in succession, self inflicted because of fear…I can’t think would be good for a guy.

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      • “Man 1 can still settle down and produce progeny when he’s in his fifties or sixties if he’s fit.”

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/health/fathers-age-is-linked-to-risk-of-autism-and-schizophrenia.html?_r=0

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      • [paying for sex is not nearly as satisfying as receiving sex for free from a woman in love.]

        The alternatives are not as mutually exclusive of commonly believed.

        Moreover, the premise is debatable as a general rule and, at a minimum, chock full of exceptions. that threaten to swallow it; indeed, even a minimal veering from “all other things being equal” can activate them. In my book, having a new, hot, horny 21 year-old 9 come over for porn sex beats nailing a 35-year old 6 that’s in love with me every time; or a 35-year old 7, or a …

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  3. The guy with a family that loves him instead of “memories”.

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    • There is a flaw (deliberately or not) in the way Heartiste presents both scenarios, that ultimately leads to most people choosing one (love you Heartiste…thanks for giving us girls the ugly (real) truth about the dating/LTR-ing’s gaming.). Even without the exception to the rule caveat, can/can’t a man be happily fulfilled with a wife he has loved for 30 or 40 some odd years? Does he have to rely purely on “memories” with said wife? What about these old couples I see holding hands and smiling into each other’s decrepid faces? Is it likely that the man cheated several times to sustain such perceived compatibility? How do we define happiness? are there different measures of happiness (the happiness a man gets from being “knee deep” in a young hot P (can’t even use that swear word online lol) vs. the happiness a man gets from seeing his new born baby for the first time?)

      Most men, Alpha/Beta/Omega (Although Alpha’s obviously have more milleage age wise, game and all), who are not mega bucks wealthy, might have a hard time pulling in young eligible girls when they are over 50 non? I mean it is kind of pathetic when I see older men that age trying to look young and hip at the club vs. a 50 something yr old with teenage kid(s) at an amusement park? I have always gotten tingles for nicely aged men like the latter than I would for some “papa” trying to chill at a young’ins event. Just my 2 cents

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  4. What does this have to do with race?

    [heartiste: we’re getting there… hang on. :)]

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  5. muh dick bixnood muffuggah

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  6. Heartiste this should have been a longer post!

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    • Indeed. I thought you had gone over the cliff of cynicism into the deep pit of depression for a couple of posts there.

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  7. My opinion holds the one with children to be better because passing on a new generation is the ultimate fulfillment of any creature. However, it is a bit of a false choice since either man could have produced offspring.

    On a personal level, I see no particular advantage in one long time, lukewarm companion over numerous fondly remembered affairs.

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    • True. My only problem is that it’s hard to make the decision to impregnate one of my foreign gfs, even though it wouldn’t cost more than two hundred dollars per month of voluntary child support unsupported by a meddling government.

      Children are definitely not the reason to marry. Just get a non-western woman pregnant and you will have a child that won’t cost much but still grows up with lots of local family, love and resources, plus you half the time.

      No, the reason to marry would only be when a woman you love hits 30 and you just can’t give her up even though she’s hit the wall. In another two years, this will happen to me and I’m not looking forward to the decision. Then, if you do this, you better hope you have enough money to have a separate apartment for trysts.

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      • Hit the wall at 30? With all the skin treatments and yoga, etc, most women are capable of looking hot in their 30s (not as hot as 18-year-olds, but still attractive) if they put in some effort. Has said woman gained a lot of weight?

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      • Depends. Some chicks are wall-bangers at thirty, some make it another decade. Others show facials signs of their desiccated ovum neigh on 28. “Neoteny” is an adaptive response, looking much younger than her years. Those chicks usually have better genes.

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      • Others show facials signs of their desiccated ovum neigh on 28.

        Especially the horse-faced ones, like that Sex In The City girl.

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      • on November 25, 2012 at 2:04 pm Hopeless Romantic

        White people get wrinkles before 30.

        White people age the worst of all races, even if they keep their physiques in shape they still got that thin skin that does not weather well. Ain’t nothing that can be done about that.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:29 am anonymous does not forgive

        Most women don’t hit the wall at 30.

        They hit it at 25.

        Some at 22.

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      • My last steady gf was 24 when I shitcanned her. The last time I saw her in person she was 25 (she kept coming around, but I never took her back). She was not a 10, but was mighty cute.

        That was 2 years ago. I just saw her last week, by chance, in the supermarket. She came over to say hello and I tried not to let my reaction register.

        The wall is as brutal as it is real. I sold that stock at the right time.

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      • I personally know some 22yr olds who are already strong 2’s from years of smoking and binge drinking. Perfectly skinny too

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      • don’t tell me, they’re white right?

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      • Officer: “Were they colored, Mr. Sanford?”

        Sanford: “Yeah… WHITE!”

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      • link please?

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:08 am Chuck Groin Punch

        “No, the reason to marry would only be when a woman you love hits 30 and you just can’t give her up even though she’s hit the wall.”

        I’m only five short years away from this. Today she asked me how I manage too score on the side with her shampoo and various bits and pieces around my apartment.

        I told her that I hide it all when they come over and then put it all back in place for her. Her eyes then light up like I gave here a diamond ring. Bittersweet is a somewhat accurate, but entirely insufficient, description of how I feel.

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    • Agreed. Let your innate male nature be your guide. I often fondly reminisce about random women I’ve slept with or had affairs with over the years. I never care to recall the LTRs I’ve been in. They were always boring and ended badly.

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  8. on November 14, 2012 at 3:31 pm Jacob Ian Stalk

    This is an incredibly cynical post. Pitting black against white without considering the merits of either is an empty endeavour, devoid of both reasonableness and meaningful purpose.

    And what of gray?

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  9. The first is better.

    But for myself I’d prefer to live the life of both. Have a family, but still bang other women.

    Cheating for a man is fine as long as his resources go solely to his family. Also cheating will keep your game in good shape and the wife will definetly enjoy that.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 1:14 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      ” Also cheating will keep your game in good shape and the wife will definetly enjoy that.”

      No doubt. She’ll also enjoy the new men she gains access to as well once the marriage opens up.

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  10. Leo Tolstoy once said: ” If you had loved one woman sincerely, you loved them all. If you “loved” many of them, you actually didn’t love a single one”.

    Tolstoy guy, you know- War & Peace, Anna Karenina, The Death of Ivan Ilych,…

    [heartiste: my experience belies tolstoy’s claim.]

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    • Tolstoy was a genius. There is no chance your pussy-obsessed, small-hearted soul could ever achieve anything like he did, no matter how facile you are with words.rods which are usually used to dismiss others.

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      • Didn’t Tolstoy leave his nagging or ugly wife before he died because he wanted to finally be happy?

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      • I guess he did so sincerely.

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      • I’ll raise you one Mozart, Cosi fan tutte.

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      • It does not have anything to do with genius or pussies. People focus their energies on various aspects of life. A Chinese book of wisdom says: “He who nourishes higher parts of his nature is a superior man; he who nourishes lower parts of his nature is an inferior man”. Anatomically, traditional psychologies, East and West, had considered higher parts those above solar plexus- heart, thymos (will) and mind; lower are stomach (gluttony) and sex.

        Or- sex is good, but to make it center of your universe is just dumb.

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      • Tolstoy would say any kind of bullshit to get attention. He wanted to be THE Russian genius.What about that other guy? The Brothers Karamazov guy. I bet HE got laid,damn skippy!!!

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      • Actually, Tolstoy was almost maniacal womanizer until he married at 36. He stayed absolutely faithful to his wife, countess Sofia Bers- a rather plain looking woman, mother of his 13 children- until his death at 82 (he had sex with her even in his 70s).

        Dostoevsky, on the other hand, had spent his best years in Siberia & married twice after the ordeal. The first wife cuckolded him, as did his mistress (he lived with her after the 1st wife’s death from TBC). When he married his 2nd wife, he was ca. 47-50 yrs old. He remained faithful to his wife, Ana Grigoryevna Snitkina. Dostoevsky died when he was 60, confessing to his wife a night before final departure that he had never cheated on her, even in his mind.

        There you are.

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      • Tolstoy is the true Alpha. After he played around to his heart’s content, he finally settled down not at a young age but not at an old age either – just right – and he respected his marriage and his vows once he married. It’s what I call a man with character, one who can keep a promise and can fight his urges for the benefit of his relationship. That’s powerful stuff. Show me a man that can control his urges, and I show you true strength. And on top of that he had sex way into his 70s.

        Dostoevsky got cheated on, but he sounds kind an honest, which also has its place in the world.

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      • Fuck you!

        I am getting real tired of your pseudo-conservative girly comments hidden behind a rational presentation.

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      • Heh, heh… I far prefer Dostoevsky to Tolstoy myself.

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    • I don’t remember reading even one happy Russian novel. Through most of Russian history, the best experience would be the end of life.

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    • False dilemma – Tolstoy’s quote doesn’t necessitate loving that one woman and being with her forever. One could still love one (or many women) sincerely, have it not work out, and, then, go on to “love” (or merely enjoy) many afterwards. My experience also bears this out.

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      • Well, we can love many people in our lives, but the first one you marry (not necessarily the first one you fall in love with) will always have a special place, even if the marriage ends. The fact you felt in love enough to marry, means there were lots of feelings there. It’s more truer for men than it is for women, because men marry for pure love, since the urge and expectation to marry early is not as strong in men as it is in women. In women they marry for love yes, but also for other necessity factors. Therefore, a woman can fall in love for real many times. For a man, the first one he marries is probably the strongest love he will have. So Tolstoy might have been on to something.

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    • Welp, then I guess we can conclude this Toolstoy faggot was a raging beta. Am I right, guys?

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  11. […] Let’s compare two men. Man 1 abjures marriage. He grows older moving from one long term relationship to another, experiencing relative instability in his love life but also the thrill of the hunt and the popping freshness of pussy varietals. As he ages, the number of women who are willing to abide his no-marriage clause shrinks, as does the youthful quality of the women. But he partly compensates for this inevitability with tight game and a charming, devil-may-care attitude, which allows him to punch above his weight well into his dotage. He has no heirs that he knows of, and for some reason this does not bother him as much as people tell him it should, but the fact that he is not bothered does bother him. He wonders, often now that the years ahead of him are far fewer than the years behind him, if one of those women he loved was one to hold to the exclusion of all others. At the end, he wheezes his last with memories of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of women — of their loving ministrations and tender caresses and fleeting intimacies between window blind shafts of sunlight — dancing through his head, and in Source: Chateau Heartiste   […]

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  12. It should come down to what you want to do.

    Do you want to be the 70+ year old dude visiting his kids in college and being seen as goofy for chugging Natty Lites with your son at the tailgate?

    If not, then find some middle ground. Maybe have kids in your late 30s or early 40s.

    It doesn’t have to be so binary and black and white. You can marry late in the game and have a hot wife, happy life and kids to be proud of. It might not be easy to pull off all three but hey!

    You can marry early but it comes at a higher risk but if that’s what you want to do then go for it.

    Props to Heartiste for showing us two glaring examples but those without strong identities are going to rearrange their whole life to follow this post and that might fuck them up a bit.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 2:40 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      “and kids to be proud of.”

      Who cares if you’re proud of your kids. What matters if they are proud of you, or ashamed of you for their peers thinking you’re their great-grandfather.

      Kids with old parents get bullied.

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  13. Obviously, most guys want the advantages of both. This requires marrying at an older age, only after one has reached the confidence to approach and bang women at a reasonable success rate. Getting the ages right is the key:

    I think a guy has to be at least 32. Very rare for a non-celebrity to have the status necessary to pull the 8s and up before that time. But 40 is a difficult barrier for hot girls under 25. I was seeing a 21 year old (I’m 36), and she was self-conscious about our age difference and told me that there’s no way she would have hooked up with me if I were 40. “Even if I was exactly as I am now?” I asked. She said it had more to do with telling her family and friends…40 would have been too old.

    But in my experience, 21 is too young. I’m sure there are some girls that know who they are and what they want at that age, but they have to be the exception. Most 21 year olds still see themselves as children, particularly if they are college students.

    Conclusion: men achieve the best outcome if they get married in their mid to late 30s to a woman in her mid 20s. That gives men a good 3-4 years of variety. And when they do select a girl for marriage, he still has about 5 years of quality, pre-wall wife banging. After those 5 years, he’s in his 40s, she’s probably pregnant or with kids anyway, and you can start figuring out whose wife you are willing to trade yours for (temporarily of course).

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    • You don’t have to say you’re 40 until you look it or you’re 55 especially if they warn you that you must lie or confirm that it’s good you did.

      You only just wrote what you believe is the best outcome because you’re mid thirties yourself. In another ten years you will move the goalposts in your own interest and say that it’s best to marry in your mid forties to a woman in her mid twenties.

      Mark my words. I know what I’m talking about here. Why give yourself a sentence of only 5 years?

      After all, you’re only talking about navigating the feminist US environment where the old bags have made sure to create a culture where young women unnaturally don’t want to date older men with status.

      There are other places to go where this anti-male feminism doesn’t reign.

      You will get another 10 years of fun by doing nothing more than leave the english speaking world. You only live once.

      I guess I don’t recommend Belize where that crazy John MacAfee has lived in may not be such a great idea, although he’s 67 and have you seen his harem published yesterday in that murder story? He’s more than 45 years older than every hot girl in his harem. And they call him crazy (he is for other reasons).

      Does anyone have a link to the photos of his harem?

      [heartiste: we might have an alpha of the month contender in mcafee.]

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      • I’m definitely not saying its over after 40 by any means. I’m saying that under 25 is pretty tough after 40 unless you are a HIGH status guy (local celebrity or better). But there are a lot of quality girls 25-30 right in the good old USA that would date a 40 year old under the right circumstances.

        Most quality girls 22 and younger are in college. Because of their own immaturity, their family and peer group, i think 40 is a pretty stark cutoff for them. (Some won’t date over 30.)

        If the girl goes to some sort of grad school, she’s probably going to stick with under 40 only. But once a girl is 25 or 26, in a real job in the real world, I think a guy over 40 could definitely be in play if he’s successful, stylish, and in good physical shape.

        There are always exceptions, and i’m assuming that we’re not talking about known actors, athletes or millionaires.

        I don’t know any guys in their 40s with college girlfriends. But 25, 26…sure, I could see that.

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      • Found it. http://gizmodo.com/5960138/the-crazy-secret-journal-of-john-mcafee-volume-1

        Looks like he had 5-8 live in GFs of various quality. Faces redacted in pics. Mostly local fare, but from the bodies all look young, lithe and doable.

        Being a millionaire, and having the attitude that having been a millionaire for the past 20+ years brings – couldn’t have hurt.

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      • http://gizmodo.com/5960138/the-crazy-secret-journal-of-john-mcafee-volume-1

        5-8 live-in GFs. Judging by the pics, some pretty cute ones too, certainly for local fare. Being a millionaire, and having the attitude that comes with having been a millionaire for 20+ years… probably didn’t hurt his harem building efforts.

        [heartiste: that kind of amassed poosy parade typically requires more than a few millions (although the local talent may be easily bought). mcafee has the look of a pussy hound, and i’m guessing the attitude of one as well, which when combined with money can turn a man into a world-beating ladykiller (and a murderous bath salt addict, apparently).]

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      • That dude is VERY rich. And he’s nice looking. I’m sure that he’s picked up very good social skills given his success as well (or maybe his success was partly due to his social savvy). Anyway, if you are this guy, stop reading my posts. I’m talking about your typical american 30-50 year old men.

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      • Yup. I have not a single doubt that having millions of dollars helps (if you have some game to begin with), but I was really commenting that having the money/status of a multimillionaire will create a reciprocal feedback loop of testosterone/entitlement/braggadocio that results in glorious pussyslayingsmostexcellent ™.

        A good example would be Seth MacFarlane before and after a decade of fame and fortune.

        Example A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMan7Ocuhuc&playnext=1&list=PL094DC453772F2261&feature=results_video (couldn’t find an interview of him from that era, unfortunately. Still illustrative).

        Exxample B http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9CQG2gTXK8

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      • I thought McFalen was gay.

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      • Apparently he’s fucking Emilia Clark (Daenerys from Game of Thrones). So no. She’s a stone fox too.

        Just goes to show what a hundred million dollars and a case of whiskey a week will do for your swagger.

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      • Seems like he had 7 women living with him. 2 of them had boyfriends living in his house. Maybe he liked crossing swords?

        Not sure if he has an alpha personality. Any rich but beta American can go to Belize to leverage his money into a harem, but surely a software megamillionaire should be able to do a lot better. Look at Mark Cuban.

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      • According to wikipedia, McAfee’s net worth declined from $100 million to only $4 million by 2009.

        It’s not the money, it’s the on-site drug lab that attracts five or six girls of a certain type. I’d classify it as “not worth it”, though — six or seven people high on bath salts all day and it’s only a matter of time before someone tries to gnaw someone else’s face off.

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      • McAffee has achieved the god-like levels of Charlie Sheen in his alphadom. So alpha that he wanders off the reservation.

        The level of convinction required to qualify for such a ranking is only possible for men with mental disorders (drug induced or otherwise).

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    • I think the next generation of American men will be so dull and boring, that young girls will seek out older men for entertainment.

      The young generation of American males will present very weak competition for us. They are complete dullards; wasting their lives on pot and HALO. They tend to have very little life experience outside of what they read on the internet. Older experienced men with game will be a rare, highly desirable delicacy for younger women.

      Or maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the girls will continue to go after morons with their pants halfway down their asses who live with their moms. Frankly, who gives a shit, right?

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      • Well we all give a damn on this. Every man reading this will be “old” in another ten years as far as anglo feminists and churchladies are concerned. The trends in young women dating older men are, therefore, probably the most important subject of all for all PUAs currently older than 22.

        Ten years is simply not enough time for most men here to learn game and start to enjoy its fruits.

        I noted on another thread a few days ago that the show Walking Dead annoyingly features a hot farmer’s daughter Maggie who gets into a sexual relationship with a junior member of the group of survivors, a korean pizza delivery boy her own age, while the early thirties leaders of the group, including musclebound and smart cops and warriors, are doing the most work fighting off zombies and keeping everyone alive. The screenplay has it that she never looks at them sideways and they never look sideways at her. In fact, the manly right hand man of the group’s leader decides to fight his best friend, the leader, to the death because he has one-itis for his best friend’s wife, an early thirties woman who has definitely hit the wall hard already.

        In real life however, I can imagine the young actress playing Maggie was sexually attracted to one of the older actors and had nothing to do with the young actor playing the pizza delivery boy.

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      • The Asian guy had survival skills, but was betamax in both looks and approach to the opposite sex…

        That she pretty much threw herself at him, well… chalk that up to bizarro-world MSM screenwriting and nerd wish projection… the extra miscegenation thrill thrown into the bargain, annoyingly so.

        Funny how they’re really doing a hands-off on any black/white romance, though… and any lesbian or home angle… I would’ve bet a month’s pay they’d find a way to work in those angles.

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      • Ha! Sons Of Anarchy is even more hilarious.

        The over-the-hill 60 yo grandma Katey Seagal hooks up with a tall good-looking hispanic pimp who runs a brothel. He deems younger women too “immature” or something and prefers a vibrant strong independant mature woman who happens to be a biker’s former slutqueen, and he keeps fawning over her even though she keeps bringing all kinds of drama and fucked up gang-related stupid shit.

        The problem is that Katey Seagal is married to Kurt Sutter, creator of the show and he plays a badass role in it. He is also 52 yo, 6 years younger than his wife.
        Sutter is a weird case of beta with an alpha imagination (he worked on the shield and sons of anarchy, both shows are alpha as fuck on average).

        Bottom line is that hollywood is a bluepill world, inside and out.

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      • Hollywood is the bizarro-world where all prison rapists are white guys raping white guys, but wise and kindly negroes act as mentors to the white guys.

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      • But since you crackers have such high IQs, you see right through that right?

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      • A blind man on a short bus could see right through it.

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      • Maybe. But I think a girl 18-22 with a guy over 40 is always going to be pretty rare. If she’s quality, I’m guessing that would only happen with a famous guy. 25-29? Alpha guys in their 40s could definitely swing that.

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      • Based on what I see on a daily basis, if you’re over 30, you might as well not exist.
        UNLESS you are supertall, extremely good-looking, some kind of celebrity or filthy rich.
        No amount of ‘game’ will pry women 16-55 away from the football team or junior firefighters.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:03 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        + 1

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:38 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        After high school don’t go immediately to college. Work a full time job, even if it means pizza delivery and then travel the world gaining cultural experience and wisdom. You can often work overseas too and hell, these days people earn money through blogging. If you want, after a few years of this, return to your country and go to college and get a regular job/career. But the travel and cultural experience is what younger women will be impressed by when you are older and ready to date them.

        For older men already post-30 or even in their 40s who want to attract younger women I say the same thing; travel, gain some cultural experience and global wisdom. Women of European extraction love that sort of thing.

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      • Military service does the trick as well. I know first hand.

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    • “I was seeing a 21 year old (I’m 36), and she was self-conscious about our age difference and told me that there’s no way she would have hooked up with me if I were 40. “Even if I was exactly as I am now?” I asked. She said it had more to do with telling her family and friends…40 would have been too old.”

      Keep in mind that’s what she says, not necessarily what she’ll actually feel if she was really in that situation. As we all know women will say anything, half the time they don’t even know what they’re talking about.

      “But in my experience, 21 is too young. I’m sure there are some girls that know who they are and what they want at that age, but they have to be the exception.”

      Yeah, in my opinion that’s offset by the tight pussy. Everything after 21 is loose(er) pussy in my personal experience. It’s the age when they finally have to get a job and pay for their own bills, and that’s when they start riding the cock carousel to get as much free money and ego boosts as possible

      “Conclusion: men achieve the best outcome if they get married in their mid to late 30s to a woman in her mid 20s. That gives men a good 3-4 years of variety. And when they do select a girl for marriage, he still has about 5 years of quality, pre-wall wife banging.”

      Agreed. The funny thing is our forefathers and past generations understood this concept, it wasn’t until the second wave of feminism caught on that we just threw all logic to the side in favor of embracing our “feelings”.

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  14. An ugly truth if there ever is one: No one makes it out alive. Might as well touch as many people as you can, however you can. Those women will tell their daughters of that one man who was their true love, even if he was hers for only one night. Perhaps this is better than any genetic legacy.

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  15. This is an idiotic comparison. You are asking whether one man who understands women and the world will have a better life than another man who does not understand women and the world. The former will always win, whether either man is married or not. You must compare like with like, the former man to a married man who knows enough to land a worthy (not only hot) wife and how to manage his relationship to make both parties fulfilled. If you do so, the winner is not at all straightforward. To each his own.

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    • Good point. That is the better comparison. I’d be interested to see Heartiste’s analysis of those two hypothetical men.

      [heartiste: the crux of my comparison remains the same. the man who knows women from experience will suffer the same fate of tying himself to one familiar pussy if he gets married as the man who gets married to the first girl he meets. the character of the women is not relevant to the driving point of this post.]

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 5:09 pm Customer Service

        I disagree. You can get married, have children AND discretions on the side. Effectively the best of both world’s. I want kids (many of them) and a wife but I don’t think my loins will ever stop desiring (or acting upon) new girls.

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      • And if your game is good, you do so with your partner’s full knowledge and permission,too. Divorce is for losers.

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      • Yeah, real men never divorce.
        Tough he-men from traditional cultures consider a man who asks for divorce a dishonorable man. and they also refuse to make the divorce easy if the wife asks for it.

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      • 1/10: Come on, you can troll better than THAT….

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      • Sincerity is often mistaken to be trolling around here.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 2:46 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Anon is right. I’m from a traditional culture that shames divorce, even if over wifely infidelity. Infidelity is no excuse to break up a family with kids, and in our culture marriage is not just about the couple but about the larger two extended families, village and culture.

        However if you don’t already have kids divorce might be justifiable.

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      • …sincere comment deserves sincere response.

        I was speaking, or had intended to speak, in the context of sex and fidelity. Sexual rules are what they are, and it is far better to communicate honestly about it, devising rules which create the maximal happiness, than to go sneaking around like an idiot and wind up getting divorced for it.

        Some others below have started to address that with open marriages, etcetera. But in the end it’s about whether one lives according to the rules which somebody else imposes upon you (be that screeching feminists or hyper-old-world traditionalists), or whether one obtains some basic freedom by living as you wish, and “telling Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite.”

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      • on November 23, 2012 at 3:12 pm Hopeless Romantic

        Happycrow, I’m all for open marriages provided both parties mutually agree to it going in. Open marriage where years later one of them cheats and gets caught and reacts with “oops! maybe we should do open from here on out” ….eh not so much. Particularly when you have kids you have to be conscious of the effects your decisions; open, divorce, whatever, will have on them.

        Taking the current infidelity statistics and certainly the divorce rate, its probably within the best interests of Americans to just enter marriage open as a default and then go from there.

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      • Heartiste: but if a guy understands the sexual market and women, I think he can rationally evaluate the point where the woman he has is better than he would regularly get in the open market, and even if it becomes familiar with time, the other non-sex benefits of children, companionship, sincere female love and admiration, and kinky marital sex play would outweigh the value of sporadic new, but less than high quality women.

        At some point a guy won’t be able to pull 8s and up anymore unless its with money. There are celebrity exceptions, but in the real world men do become unattractive to women at some point. Seems like there is a point in the market where example 1 needs to jump to example 2 to get the best total outcome.

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      • What about the man who practices polygamy.

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    • True. The irony is that the men with game and MLTRs (harems) end up with the best quality women to make a marriage choice from.

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      • @ Bharatiyaa Brouhaha – Traditional culture is all well and good, but let me ask you this: How frequent/likely is wifely infidelity in your culture?
        For better or worse, in today’s western culture, a wife (or husband) are only likely to be as faithful as their options are limited.
        There may be exceptions, but holding your breath for one of those will lead to early death by asphyxiation.

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  16. That is some real talk right there, Heartiste.

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  17. “Which of these two men had it better?”

    Well, it’s all pretty damned depressing. I’m going to go have a drink.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm Holden Caulfield

      “Which of these two men had it better?” Its actually not depressing at all if you’re the guy in the first story. Your life would be so full of the only kind of memories that matter to guys. Think about it.

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  18. Guy #3 with 80 biological kids who are being raised by provider betas

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  19. Being the son of a very successful seducer I know the best option out is and always will be just taking every single part of every element of life with impunity and charm.

    This my fine feathered friend was unfortunately your worst post to date. Take a lap and try again. It had no value to anyone but retards who believe those are your only options. They are not.

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    • This my fine feathered friend was unfortunately your worst post to date. Take a lap and try again. It had no value to anyone but retards who believe those are your only options. They are not.

      Have to agree… WAY too binary.

      And would it be churlish of me to mention that, whoever does not have children, just STFU?

      For all the fondly-remembered bangs upon which I can reminisce… (and there were enough… though for me, the only ones I think about now were with women I actually would have married… the ones I wouldn’t, well… I sort of shake my head now, but I digress)… as I was saying, for all the memories of poon, the moments of joy with the children when they were growing up far, far, FAR outweigh the thank-you-ma’am’s.

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      • People who believe they cannot live an amazing life with their seeds sewn are modern day eunichs. Castrated by pleasure, never seeing a glimpse of their power echoing to another generation. Kids are amazing people, most of the time better adults than adults.

        If you haven’t made an impact on a child’s life such that your way of being or your genetics has not been passed on, you have squandered the power awarded to you as a man — your birthright.

        I am not saying you take care of illegitimate niglets from a overmade wannabe broodsow. I mean effect the next generation in a way that steers us farther away from this value-based eclipse…not closer. Yo

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  20. Come on CH, give us the third alternative:

    Man 3 takes the best of both worlds and melds it into one. He dates and games heavily through his twenties, sampling the varietals of life and learning just what he needs to be happy in all aspects of life and love. As he ages towards his 30’s, he gradually makes occasional (and serial) exclusive commitments to learn its benefits and challenges and to learn LTR game. He readily discards those women that don’t “click.” And he recognizes that one-itis is for chumps; it’s an illusion. There’s simply a bell-curve of women–those who are relatively more attractive and compatible with him vs. those who are less so. At some point, and after dating hundreds of women, he selects one on the positive tail of that bell curve. He’s learned that the challenges and joys of life will be much richer when shared. His rising SMV and mad marriage game over the years keeps her tingling through life’s ups & downs. He knows that when he’s 85 and on his death-bed that it’s not his bank balance that’s will make him most happy, it’s not the drawer full of photos of past loves long gone that will make him most satisfied, and it’s not about the letters and degrees after his name. Rather, it’s when he’s lying there surrounded by his children and grandchildren who say, “Thank you, Dad, for your example in teaching us how to live and how to be happy, for all you did and for all your love” that tell him he’s had a life well-lived. I’ll take door #3 here, CH.

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    • Now THAT’S good writing!

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 6:16 pm NoQuarterForCatLadies

      Fantasy from a bygone age. Having kids does not mean they’re going to be either having grandchildren at all or sticking around to lovingly surround you when you die. We used to live in a society where everyone stayed in the same area, and you knew you’d grow old with your kids around. Today they’re probably going to move to a different city or state to go to college and then to work. If you’ve actually aged towards your 30’s yourself, you know full well that this pretty much guarantees the slow, gradual death of whatever relationship you had. No one stays truly close if they live hundreds of miles apart.

      Your kids are far more likely to dump you in a home, visit you once a month at best, and focus their time on their own families. You’ll get to write them handmade cards once a week that they shove in a drawer and ignore.

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      • In a home where you can be sexually abused by latino faggots

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      • This happens so much, it’s frightening.

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      • That’s true, but it also depends on how you raise them too. Bad parents who never been a strong presence in their kids’ lives, also means they didn’t teach their kids any set of values, so of course they’ll abandon their parents in old-age homes. And I am not sure such children will have their own families keeping them busy and away from their aging parents. Many time they don’t; they shy away from family life.

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  21. on November 14, 2012 at 4:12 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

    You posit only 2 simple scenarios against each other when there are actually millions.

    [heartiste: are there a million ways for a man to get bored by one pussy?]

    I don’t think either are better, both of these choices are crappy ones.

    [i assure you, the ending is craptastic for all of us.]

    Thank goodness we all have more than just these 2 offers to choose from.

    [there is the theoretical, and there is the practical. these two offers speak for the bulk of men.]

    And I’d also like to know why I repeatedly see pleas to convert to Islam on Manosphere blogs?

    [you won’t find that here. burkas are 100% bad box office.]

    That’s got to be the lowest IQ religion to come out of that desert area, and that’s saying something considering the other two ain’t anything to write home about either.

    [you need to start aiming your scope at more dangerous prey.]

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    • Your statement regarding Islam and low IQ is perfect and true. Only low IQs can accept such a religion.

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      • Hmmm… a religion that keeps their woman in check, rejects gay marriage, rejects feminism, bans abortion, and most importantly,

        NAMES THE JEW.

        What did you say the problem was?

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      • on November 20, 2012 at 8:00 pm Hopeless Romantic

        The problem is I’m not attracted to the Abrahamic desert faiths. There are literally hundreds of religions to choose from and I’ve chosen one that was not born in that part of the world and I’m perfectly satisfied with it.

        That’s called “religious freedom”

        Next?

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      • on November 20, 2012 at 9:00 pm Hopeless Romantic

        Jews and Muslims unite against German law in effort to genitally mutilate baby boys.

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2012/jul/17/german-circumcision-affront-jewish-muslim-identity

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      • Islam is successful because of the poetry in their coran. Apparently most of it is lost in translation

        Just like H and his writing. If someone had come up with the same ideas and insights, but farted them in an unoriginal manner, no one would listen.

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      • Very true, thanks for pointing it out; King A also has this ability.

        Another advantage to the spread of Islam was simplicity: “There is no God but God”

        What pot liquor nigga can’t get that?

        Islam is like the AK47 of religions

        Reminds me of some famous businessman who said:

        “the business of business is business”

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      • on November 20, 2012 at 7:47 pm Hopeless Romantic

        “Another advantage to the spread of Islam was simplicity: “There is no God but God” ”

        What they mean by that is there “there should be no religion but OUR religion”.

        In other words, Islam, like Christianity before it, is anti-freedom.

        And yes, you could blame it on the Jews because both Christianity and Islam sprouted out of the Abrahamic one god concept, but they later morphed into it the one size fits all ONE WORLD RELIGION concept.

        At least Jews don’t currently prosyletize.

        Religion and spiritual practice are highly personal and often cultural concepts.

        I resent anyone coming along trying to convert me to their religion. One size does NOT fit all.

        The first and foremost right is the right to soul autonomy. Without spiritual freedom, all other freedoms are a pipe dream.

        Om Shanti Om.

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      • Sounds like you either read the Koran, understand Arabic, a Muslim yourself, or have many friends that are Muslims who have brainwashed you, because I assure you it’s not the Koran’s poetry. The Bible is poetic too.

        Islam is successful because it has no qualms of fighting mercilessly (to the death) for its interests. Its quest is to replace all other religions. In the middle ages it converted vast populations at the point of the sword; no poetry needed to be recited then. The West lost its religious zeal centuries ago. In the West everyone is out for themselves, while the Muslims are united in singularity of mind; no dissent is accepted in the Islamic religion. You’re either part of the collective’s beliefs, or your marked for death.

        Today’s Islam uses marriage to convert many aimless spineless Western girls, specifically Europeans. Islam pays emissaries to migrate to new lands, settle within the population and marry the women using alpha tactics, as well as bringing about the advent of sharia law. The only thing is, after a woman marries such a man she realizes it was never about any love for her, and he’s no alpha, only a cruel, unkind, and merciless fanatic who thinks his actions will get him to heaven (or paradise) to sit with Muhammad and receive 72 virgins. Then she wants out, but she can’t, and if she has daughters with this Muslim lowlife she has to watch out they don’t enrage him and get murdered by him in an honor killing.

        True Western values are no more, and patriarchal law and order has evaporated, so it’s very easy for a religion like this to move in and seduce lost/spineless/aimless/hopeless people with promises of patriarchy.

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      • on November 20, 2012 at 7:53 pm Hopeless Romantic

        ” Its quest is to replace all other religions.”

        Bingo. One World Order.

        “Today’s Islam uses marriage to convert many aimless spineless Western girls, specifically Europeans. ”

        Not just Europeans. Its happening to Hindu and Sikh girls in the UK and India too. They call it “Love Jihad”.

        Remember, in Islam its permitted for men to marry non-Muslim women while Muslim women are forbidden from marrying non-Muslim men. There’s a reason for that. Sneaky bastards.

        LOVE JIHAD video news
        http://www.kino.opole.pl/movie.php?id=-gMaG369mV0

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      • Wow, you understand Islam. I’m very impressed. I’ve had so many arguments with people here who think we just have a political misunderstanding with Islam, nothing more. They don’t understand that Islam is a dangerous time bomb going to explode when it’s ready.

        Yes, you are right; they call it “love Jihad”. Besides the sword, Islam used forced sex throughout the centuries too, especially after it conquered a place and killed all the men; then it just raped all the women. In fact, even Muhammad raped many women in his lifetime. That’s why so many nations have Muslim blood mixed in – because of Muslims conquering and raping the women. In addition, Rape is almost a must in Islam, and considered justified if a woman has no male protector. I heard from so many Christian girls who lived in Islamic countries that rape of Christian women was prevalent. They never go out alone. Islamic men will not rape women of other Islamic families because they fear the woman’s father or bothers will come after him and his family, such as his sisters. That’s why they come after non-Muslim women. They are nothing but cowards these bastards.

        Of course they don’t allow Muslim women to marry outside the religion. A Woman who does this gets killed eventually by her Muslim family. Sometimes, it takes many years, but they will track her down and kill her, even though she has a husband and children. They don’t bother to worry about the kids remaining motherless. They will never give up their “right” to kill her. These people are real throwbacks of the 7th century. How can anybody think that converting to this religion is a good thing, I’ll never understand. I’m sorry that even Hindu and Sikh girls in the UK and India are falling for this stupidity. At this rate, the whole globe is going to convert to Islam at one point. It can only be stopped if we halt the Islamic immigration, and in the meantime by educating people about the dangers of Islam.

        But worse, I get very angry when I come across people who don’t understand the danger posed by Islam and facilitate Muslims getting settled and accepted in this country. They try to help them build masques, even in small American towns where there are no Muslims living there and it’s obvious the only purpose to build a masque there is to proselytize. Or they help them open Islamic schools where hate for America is taught and many of the boys end up going to Pakistan, Yemen, or Afghanistan to learn jihad. Or they help them get citizenship and bring here all their wives and children who might end up on the public dime. Hell, this is already happening in Canada. What can I say, the West has many fools; more fools than any other culture. We are so fair-minded and firmly believe in other people’s right to have the same freedoms we enjoy, that we think everyone deserves it, even to our detriment. It’s committing suicide on a grand national scale. The stupidity is mind boggling at times.

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      • on November 24, 2012 at 9:33 pm Hopeless Romantic

        Nitelily,
        Wrote a long reply to you but somehow it didn’t get through.

        I wonder why?

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      • on November 25, 2012 at 5:00 pm Hopeless Romantic

        And it sounds like this “thwack” guy is an African American. Almost every African American has at least one uncle or cousin or someone in his family who is caught up in some form of Islam, be it NOI, Moorish Science, or orthodox Islam.

        African Americans got enough problems without exacerberating them with Middle Eastern cults, be it of the Mary or Mohammed variety.

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  22. This is pretty good writing…

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  23. If either one had lifted weights for exercise, both their lives would’ve been awesome.

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  24. Both dead, doesn’t matter.

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  25. These are the ONLY TWO OPTIONS.

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  26. When he was young, Tolstoy was also Russia’s greatest pussy hound. What the Hell would he have known about only loving one woman?

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  27. “… the gnawing that grips him in the chest when he thinks of love, and desire, that left him long ago.”

    Love is forever and if he ever truly loved his wife he still loves her after she gets old and unfuckable.

    [heartiste: love is transcendent, but it is also conditional. a wife who gets fat, frumpy and old is not going to evoke the same loving feelings from her husband that she did when she was younger, hotter, tighter. you know this, yet persist in chanting the same tired bromides every time you comment here. it is as if your skull is made of cement, and the brain inside is rock hard granite, impervious to logic or reason. why don’t you just give up at this point and go find someone to fuck the virginity out of your dusty muff?]

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    • Truth be told, a man can still love his wife when she loses some of her erstwhile charms, so long as her ATTITUDE remains loving, supportive, generally positive, and sexy. Good sex is to a large extent in the mind of the beholder, and a continued good feminine attitude can cause a man to continue to see the erstwhile “hotness” of his mate, even though it waned a bit in actuality.

      Conversely, a bitch kills all thoughts of tenderness, and acts as an amplifier of the downside of aging.

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 6:50 pm Holden Caulfield

        ” Good sex is to a large extent in the mind of the beholder…”

        If you mean the visual in your mind yes, bc the hotter the female, the better the sex:

        https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/hotter-women-better-sex/

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      • True, but “hotter” can be relative in the eyes of different men… some go ga-ga for, well, Lady Gaga… some prefer Dolly Parton… and both sides would laugh at each other for their taste.

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      • “a man can still love his wife when she loses some of her erstwhile charms, so long as her ATTITUDE remains loving, supportive, generally positive, and sexy……a continued good feminine attitude can cause a man to continue to see the erstwhile “hotness” of his mate, even though it waned a bit in actuality.”

        “Conversely, a bitch kills all thoughts of tenderness”

        An older man once told me this exact thing, which only proves that a woman’s attitude can get a man to do anything for her, and he will always see her through the lens of his original love for her.

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      • Attitude truly is a tremendous part of the equation… and as the Book says, Love covers a multitude of shortcomings… but a contentious woman is like putting a gold ring in a pig’s snout… and is as a rottenness in a man’s bones.

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    • “why don’t you just give up at this point and go find someone to fuck the virginity out of your dusty muff?”

      because i’m in love with someone that doesn’t exist. stupid, i know.

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      • Conditional love has to do with sexual urges.

        Problem is people think unconditional love also has to do with sexual urges…the only place you find that is with God and if you are one of the lucky ones, your parents. Not even your dog or cat would continue to love you if you stopped feeding them.

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      • So true; there is no such thing as unconditional love when it comes to romantic love. I don’t understand why some people refuse to acknowledge that???

        People confuse religious teaching of God’s love or parental love, with romantic love. In a romantic relationship it’s very much conditional, and thank God it is. This ensures we don’t take each other for granted, and that fuels our romance even more when we understudy how we have to please each other. No wisdom left in people nowadays.

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      • Romantic love is not unconditional??? What?! Of course it is! If you love someone it’s not difficult to please him and do everything to make him happy. At least that’s how I imagine.

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      • on November 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm Hopeless Romantic

        ” At least that’s how I imagine.”

        Key word: “imagine”.

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      • I used to think so too, but now I’m starting to think there is a degree of unconditional love that can be achieved with romantic love. Once you choose the partner right, it can be almost unconditional (beating and cheating is excluded if it’s a good pick).
        Read: http://verusconditio.wordpress.com/2012/09/19/to-love/ (comments are good too)
        Lust can go away, and feelings of “in love” can go up and down, but love shouldn’t die so easy.

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    • ‘[heartiste: love is transcendent, but it is also conditional. a wife who gets fat, frumpy and old is not going to evoke the same loving feelings from her husband that she did when she was younger, hotter, tighter.’

      i’m confused. ch urges women to devote themselves to finding a husband early, do their best to hold onto their looks, devote themselves to him in part by not obsessing over a career…and yet it is implicit in many posts that their efforts are doomed from the outset since aging and deterioration are inevitable.

      so which is it? her window of sexual viability is short, perhaps only a quarter of her life if she’s lucky. it’s irrational for her not to take the long view. she must prepare for a time when her husband will lose interest in her. thus it makes sense for her to develop a separate focus for her life be it career or children.

      let me ask this hypothetical since the subject is in the news. what would have been the better life trajectory for the luckless mrs. petraeus?

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    • Maya, there’s no reason for a woman to ever let herself go. We have no control over getting old, but we certainly have control over getting fat and frumpy.

      My man says he would take a sense of pride in my ageing into a well-dressed, in-shape older woman who takes care of her body. Not that I will be as physically desirable then, of course, but he likes the idea of being seen with a wife who puts in the effort to be pleasant to look upon. Women who do that as they age are respectable, he says.

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      • “Maya, there’s no reason for a woman to ever let herself go. We have no control over getting old, but we certainly have control over getting fat and frumpy.”

        I agree with you. Women who get fat and frumpy have no respect for their husbands.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 11:07 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      “love is transcendent, but it is also conditional. a wife who gets fat, frumpy and old is not going to evoke the same loving feelings from her husband that she did when she was younger, hotter, tighter. ”

      Love is transcendent. Lust is conditional.
      Old people do not inspire lust like young people do, however spouses tend to love each other more and more as they share experiences of pregnancy, childbirth and raising a family together and seeing each other through difficult times and having each other’s backs.

      We are not meant to be having sex at 80, that’s just nasty and totally age inappropriate what to speak of going against the natural order of the universe, however we are meant to be loving and caring at 80.

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      • “We are not meant to be having sex at 80, that’s just nasty and totally age inappropriate what to speak of going against the natural order of the universe, however we are meant to be loving and caring at 80.”

        Very true, but that brings us back to the same thing once more. Even as couples age and they tend to have less sex, they still have to treat each other well or lose each other. How many people get divorced in their 50s or 60s? Lots. That means that they didn’t get well with each other, fought all the time, and wanted out. Therefore also as an aging couple, you still have to have kindness, respect, and tolerance for each other. So again, even at those older ages, love is still conditional. Maybe not so much in the looks department, but in the attitude department you still have to perform. What’s more, it will still be nice for an older woman to keep herself looking nice. OK, so a 60-year old isn’t going to looks like she is 35, but how about being slim and looking like she is 50? Mrs. Patraeous is a perfect case in point. The woman looks 70, not 60. It’s embarrassing. I hope she isn’t giving him shit about cheating, because seriously she has no right to say anything.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:50 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “Therefore also as an aging couple, you still have to have kindness, respect, and tolerance for each other.”

        For sure. And of course love is conditional. Why shouldn’t it be?

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      • “Mrs. Patraeous is a perfect case in point. The woman looks 70, not 60. It’s embarrassing. I hope she isn’t giving him shit about cheating, because seriously she has no right to say anything.”

        I agree with that. Apparently she didn’t love him because she didn’t try to stay healthy and good-looking for him and their children. In these cases cheating is understandable. But we don’t know for sure. Maybe she had some health problems or something like that and she wasn’t able to take care of herself like she should. Maybe she was suffering from depression because her husband didn’t love her?

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      • We’re not meant to be living at 80.

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      • I’m not so sure we’re meant to be living at 35.

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      • Wait till we’re living to be 350-years old, what then? That’s coming one day, and might not be so far away too. Heartiste will have unimaginable number of sex partners, and Greg’s wife would have to try to stay hot-looking and continue being nice to him much longer.

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      • Hey, after 150 all I ask is nice.

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    • Why did my comment get deleted?

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    • “a wife who gets fat, frumpy and old is not going to evoke the same loving feelings from her husband that she did when she was younger, hotter, tighter. you know this, yet persist in chanting the same tired … etc.”

      A wife who gets fat and frumpy had never truly loved her husband. (I even believe that fat people have no self-respect. If they had, they wouldn’t stuff themselves with so much food.) I don’t have a problem with men dumping their lazy and frumpy girlfriends, it’s the right thing to do. However, I don’t believe that men stop loving their girlfriends when they turn 30 or 35.
      Romantic love is unconditional and does not change with time. I’m sorry that you have never been happily in love and with the attitude you have it’s also extremely unlikely that this will ever happen to you. I mean, it’s easy to fall in love with you but when girls get to know you and find out that you just want to use them for sex when they are young and then dump them because love is conditional and old broads can’t evoke feelings of “love” in your brain, I’m sure that no self-respecting woman would waste a minute with you. That’s why you’re still fucking bar whores only, if you are fucking anyone at all.

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    • love is transcendent, but it is also conditional.

      For those who mistake a transactional pleasure exchange for love, sure love can be seen as “conditional.” Love by definition admits no conditions.

      a wife who gets fat, frumpy and old is not going to evoke the same loving feelings from her husband that she did when she was younger, hotter, tighter.

      A wife who gets “fat, frumpy, and old” is a wife who does not respect her husband, i.e., a woman who does not love her man. This is a popular trajectory for “life partners” in this era of late feminist decadence, but it is by no means an inevitability. The work of marriage, and specifically the long-term challenge of true wifehood, is the construction of defenses against the temptation to slide into easy deterioration (or to allow one’s spouse to).

      But really. Based on what experience can you — the confirmed, aging bachelor — conclude that the pleasures of a forty-year relationship do not equal or exceed the pleasure of sampling the “younger, hotter, tighter”? Apples and oranges. And you’ve never tasted an orange. Or to put it another way, you’ve sipped, swished, and spit many “fresh” grape-juice “varietals” but never drunk deep of vintage wine.

      Your groupie is blockheaded, to be sure. But in women, that can be a sturdy advantage. Give her your alpha, brother. What’s “five minutes” of your life worth? Or does the product not match the advertising?

      Matt

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      • “A wife who gets “fat, frumpy, and old” is a wife who does not respect her husband, i.e., a woman who does not love her man.”

        Yeah. A woman who respects her husband is going to stay young forever. Because that’s what men desire. Botox, implants, surgical scars.

        ps. Thank you for recommending me to CH!

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  28. People are missing the point: they’re both winners. Both played the game to the extent of their ability, and won the prize that was within their reach.

    A had great game but never achieved real emotional intimacy. As a guy who used to get more ass than a bus-stop bench but DID find the chick worth keeping, I consider that a loss. But he obviously didn’t meet her, and wound up on the Time Enough for Love Plan(tm), so….meh.

    B had no game, and lackluster (at best!) prospects, but he DID keep a woman, and goes to the grave with kids he’s proud of, which is very much its own satisfaction. His romantic life was crap but given the pathetic charisma he had to wield, he succeeded in avoiding hopeless-loserland, living an unremarkable and average life, which *for him* was actually a bit of a step up, so…meh.

    A goes the grave with a lot more happiness and fun.
    B goes to the grave with a lot more pride.

    Neither really “wins the medal” in my book.

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  29. I started this story but didnt finish it.

    http://www.2abd.com/a-tale-of-two-kings/

    Password: bastard

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  30. Niggers have it all figured out.

    Fuck as many hoes as you can, and get as many baby mamas as possible.

    And then let them crackers pay the bill.

    [heartiste: do you blame the leech for sucking off the cracker, or do you blame the cracker for allowing the leech to feed on it?]

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    • Crackers get votes for life from the leeches. It’s easier to satisfy beggars than it is to satisfy informed, participating voters. Whatever happened to the black family? Oh right, the crackers destroyed it with free shit.

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    • I don’t blame anyone actually.
      It’s just that someone mentioned race earlier in the thread and I’m more than happy to oblige.

      Also “leech”=nigger

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  31. I hope you’re not running out of things to write…

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  32. I don’t know, although I’ve never seen an obituary that said…

    Hugh G. Man died at age 76…he spent his whole life chasing tail.

    Besides even with the best game it still takes work to bed a bevvy of beauties. Sure it’s more enjoyable to be rewarded with short term vaginas than being with one vagina that has a closed sign…but both take a lot out of men.

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  33. There’s a down side to everything.

    As for Man #1, acquiring a fresh ForeignBride after the age of 50 is still doable until the new feminist order slams the door shut on fiance visas. You can read about my experience in “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker”, and “ForeignBride Product Review : Finding a Model That’s Right for You”.

    Where’s are eagerly awaited Patraeus takedown?

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  34. “Patraeus takedown?” You can be an alpha dog among alpha dogs and you can still get oneitis that will ruin you…if you get in the way of a democrat. If you’re a democrat, you’ll probably be ok. Then again, Clinton didn’t care about Lewinsky at all, and Lewinsky will die fat and alone thinking of that cigar. The general OTOH seemed to be quite taken.

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  35. Hey, it’s real simple. If you die with regrets, you didn’t win the game.

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    • Nobody goes through life without regrets… nobody.

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      • The vast majority of humanity ruin their own lives, squandering their strengths in a vain attempt to combat their weaknesses. In this way, the average person treats himself worse than a bad man treats a dog. Having a regret that something didn’t play out isn’t the same thing as laying on one’s deathbed haunted by an overwhelming, soul-eating failure.

        But one CAN be authentically happy, by playing the hand one is dealt to the best of one’s ability, accepting one is who one is, good bad and ugly, and, as other commenters have pointed out, living a live with purpose and meaning.

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      • Agreed, nearly in toto, with one proviso… happiness is overrated. ;-).

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      • I tend to use the term in its Epicurean sense of ataraxia, freedom from fear (not merely terror here, but worry, doubt, all such mental plagues), not merely “momentary euphoria.” But my philosophy is not exactly common nowadays.

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  36. Heartiste, would you ever get married?

    Do you think two people can be happy and faithful in a marriage until, at least, their kids turn twenty?

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  37. What does this have to do with race?

    Man 2 has blue balls. Blue people are bad, even worse than black gay Jews. But not as bad as transsexual black gay Jews with aids. Those are the worse

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  38. I might just be lazy…but I’d prefer to game one woman the rest of my life. Granted she passes my scrutiny…like disregarding feminism.

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    • You’re not lazy, just normal. And besides, keeping one gammed and happy is lots of work. In fact, it’s more work than running form one to the other where you don’t have to try hard to make them happy cause you know you ain’t keepin’ it. Ask Athol kay. He’ll tell you how hard it is. But, he loves it and he loves his wife. Now that’s a real Alpha.

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  39. First experience it all.

    Then transcend the banality of it all by conquering your own mind to achieve happiness unconditional on worldly outcomes.

    That’s what the Buddha did.

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  40. Neither. You die and it didn’t matter anyway.

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  41. We also need to keep in mind hormones here. I notice the guys like man 1 have long ring fingers (high test in womb) and higher test levels during their life. Testosterone reduces empathy and the need for comfort from LTR’s. Men who act like number 2 seem to be less manly and have less testosterone, and therefore need the comfort of a LTR. They simply arent wired to go around from women to women. Of course, it doesnt help that that most of them dont have the ability to attract alot of women anyway as you pointed out.

    I think thats the biggest flaw women dont realize when they try to rationalize that alpha males will die alone and get their just punishment. They dont realize most of these guys just dont give a fuck about having children or whether they die alone. They simply aren’t wired to have the empathy necessary to care about being a bachelor for the rest of their lives.

    One last thing, not that a lower testosterone guy cant be a successful ladies man . We all know being a alpha male is relative, but the higher your test was in the womb and the higher your current test levels, the better equipped you are for being a alpha male bachelor.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 10:59 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      “Testosterone reduces empathy and the need for comfort from LTR’s. Men who act like number 2 seem to be less manly and have less testosterone, and therefore need the comfort of a LTR. ”

      Are you saying empathy is not manly? Are you saying empathy is a feminine characteristic which is more developed in women than men. Are you hence saying that women are more ethical than men?

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      • Empathy != Ethical

        Only a liberal or a pathological altruist would think that.

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      • Yes, empathy is essentially not very masculine. A man only needs enough empathy to look out for his friends, family, and himself. How could our ancestors have defended themselves from invaders if they had as much empathy as women? It’s also difficult for a man to jump from woman to woman if his empathy is too high. Fact is that when youre a bachelor some women are going to be hurt by you. To be held back by too much empathy would decrease the amount of women a man can have sex.

        We may only be here today because the 40% of men who got to reproduce throughout history had the low empathy required to kill other men and gain a harem of women.

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110209105556.htm

        There was another study they did on women. The testosterone lowered every woman’s empathy, but the women with the most masculine 2d 4d ratio’s had their empathy lowered the most.

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      • on November 25, 2012 at 2:02 pm Hopeless Romantic

        “A man only needs enough empathy to look out for his friends, family, and himself. How could our ancestors have defended themselves from invaders if they had as much empathy as women?”

        Who’s to say ancestral women had empathy beyond their own circles?

        “It’s also difficult for a man to jump from woman to woman if his empathy is too high.”

        HPV.

        Empathy is not only ethical, turns out its good for your health too.

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  42. Weird post title.

    What make you think that you have to chose one or the other?

    What make you think that there is no option of long term unfenced relationships ?

    Binary thinking like this is always nothing more than shooting yourself in the foot. Human sexual nature is not binary and nor are relationships.

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    • long term unfenced relationships is what is meant by the LTR path, retard

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      • I think you need to read the first sentence again – “moving from one long term relationship to another”

        As for the retard comment. If you can’t respond without insulting then there is something wrong with your point.

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      • …and you wrote “long term unfenced relationships”. Plural. Exactly what the first scenario described. although point taken about insults, you have pretty good manners for a retard.

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    • What make you think that there is no option of long term unfenced relationships ?

      Oh darling the hippies called and said they tried that ……..didn’t work out so hot for the majority of them.

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  43. I can understand why old men want to marry young women, but it never ceases to baffle me why young women want to marry old men. When I was in my twenties, nothing would have induced me to marry some old crock in his forties.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 6:53 pm Holden Caulfield

      Its easy to say you wouldn’t do something, especially if the option is never presented to you.

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    • Two of the highest-quality women I’ve ever met did just that. Both were whipsaw-smart Russian chicks, though. So applicability to US and its “women” is probably suspect.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:04 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Prostitution is completely mainstreamed in Russia and seen as a valid career track. That’s not “smart as whips”, that’s just the default culture there.

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      • That may be part of it, but in this case both of them were older and very accomplished academics, and both women were a combination of gorgeous and eerily smart — so in this case the men’s SMV rested upon a proven degree of intellectualism which was particularly appreciated, and which easily weather the aging of their bodies.

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    • And now, nothing will induce a man to bury his cock in you.

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    • What about RAPE!

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 10:57 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      Money. He dies and she gets to live decades more as a wealthy woman banging, dating, or LTRing (take your pick) hot, healthy young men.

      The ancient Upanishads talk about nectar in the beginning and poison in the end vs poison in the beginning (performing austerities like marrying old dudes) and nectar in the end (the pay off when old dudes die).

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    • How about some old crock in his thirties?

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 2:18 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        30s isn’t so old for women in their 20s. I’m talking a major age difference like 22 and 42 or older.

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      • 42 and 22 is actually a good combination. He will die at 82, and she will be a 62 widow grandma. Nobody was going to fuck her at that age anyway.

        I’d trace the line at 25 years age difference

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:01 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “Nobody was going to fuck her at that age anyway.”

        Have you ever heard of The Villages in Florida?

        😉

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    • It is not just any old man that keeps a young woman enraptured. He can do 25 finger tip push ups, he is fluent in 6 languages, has a biology degree, a physchology degree, and an MBA, he has travelled the world and fucked other women for DECADES–he’s an ace. Status. When a young hot girl walks into any social situation with her “mature” lover–everyone makes assumptions, everyone is curious–it leads to the best tables; the best rooms; upgrades on everything with a lower price because of ASSUMPTIONS made by other people. Sometimes it even leads to threesomes with other hot girls who are just sooooo curious about this older guy with another hot girl. It’s awesome!

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:03 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Depends on how “mature” the “mature” guy is.

        All of Heffner’s “girls next door” had hot young thangs they took their sexuality out on. Their relationship with Heff was strictly busine$$.

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  44. They are both unhappy.

    Subject 1 has fun with being his own man and doing as he pleases. He comes across as confident, and in control. However, he lives in regret. Possibly stemming from some rooted insecurities, possible some fears of not being good enough, commitment, abandonment ect.

    Subject 2 : Similar insecurities. Except he is obviously not confident in the way he perceives himself. He lacks confidence with women. However, he gets happiness through being a father. Maybe he wanted to be a young dad? Coach his sons baseball team ect. He derives his happiness out of being a father. (Too bad, he missed out on all the yummy single mommies.)

    It’s all about getting the things you want and meeting your goals.

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  45. They both win. They choose a lifestyle and stick with it. That the first one sees more choice in woman than the second one doesn’t invalidate his choices. Hell, life isn’t about getting the high-score in the game others play. It’s about getting your own personal highscore. If that’s a high notch count, go for it. If it’s kids, go for it. If you change your mind, go for it.
    Just go for what you want. You’ll always have doubt and second thoughts, but a man chooses.

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    • %100

      Hindsight is 20/20. Make your choices and do the best you can. Happiness is not necessarily linear to how much pussy a man can pump. But, happiness in my opinion is relative to your goals and achievements.

      Just have the confidence to CHOOSE what you want.

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    • This.

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  46. Logical fallacy: false dilemma.

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  47. Let me give you a real life scenario. After years of banging hotties (from age 16 to 33), not so hotties and even a few crazies, man marries, at 33, a cute 7 with a modest sexual history and excellent LTR and parenting qualities 3 years his junior.

    He bangs her solidly for 10 years of marriage unlocking her libido and sexuality so that she fucks him every night with much gusto and passion. She is, even after 10 years of marriage, besotted by him and wouldn’t dream of fucking anyone else.

    Sure, the guy is a natural alpha or greater beta with an understanding of Game and this has helped him to not be sucked into any beta behaviour in the marriage.

    The man has a $150k job which is reasonably demanding and the marriage produces two beautiful kids. The wife does not get fat and is just as cute as the day he married her and way more sexual.

    The man and his wife are happy and the kids are growing up well adjusted, happy and successful.

    The only flaw in this picture is that the man is tormented by monogamy and by the variety of hotter, younger and tighter he encounters day to day. He is pragmatic about this though and knows that all he wants is to be able to take one of these young hotties out for a drink and sexcapade every 6 months or so. He doubts they will fuck him as well as his wife does but craves the hotter and tighter and moreso some variety nevertheless. He respects his wife completely and imagines how discrete and safe he would be if only he could fuck some of that fresh slutty pussy once in a while. He considers signing up to Adult Friend Finder and thinks about putting some Game to good effect.

    He is fundamentally a fair man and understands that if he is to get a bit on the side, perhaps his wife would like the same. He is disgusted by this idea though and isn’t sure that he could stay with his wife if she fucked another. So he talks to her and she reiterates how she has no desire whatsoever to fuck anyone but him. She understands him and tells him with a grin that he is just “very in touch with his primal side” and that she understands. He reassures her that he wants to be with her for life and that she and the kids will always come first. But he also tells her at length about how he feels “tormented” and how he’d like to have meaningless sex with random hot women once or twice a year. She suggests that he does whatever he needs to do to “get it out of your system”. Basically carte blanche. But he can’t follow through…yet. He feels like any attempt to fuck hot pussy on the side is deceitful and can’t deceive his wife. He also feels like he has no time between work, kids and wife and that to spend time “on the hunt” is disrespectful to both himself and his family. A couple of times he has opportunities but he still can’t follow through… Hopeless beta? Thoughts?

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    • “But he also tells her at length about how he feels “tormented” and how he’d like to have meaningless sex with random hot women once or twice a year.”

      Random hot women are not interested in meaningless sex with a 43 year old married man. You’re delusional and stupid.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 5:15 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Maya, there are some age adjusted “hot” cougars 50 plus who might be into it, but if they’re cougars they’ll go for at least 15 years younger cubs.

        There are some divorced single moms and never married baby mamas in their 30s who might be into the occasional romp with a 40 something married man provided he’s good in the sack, brings something of value to her kids when he rolls through town and doesn’t create drama for her or try and spoil her groove when she digs on a single guy.

        Yep, there are women out there who might be up for occasional and random sex with a married man under certain narrow circumstances.

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      • “Meaningless” sex?

        Does not grok.

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      • sex without love/relationship

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      • Still does not grok… only the hamster spins love/relationship as the sole arbiters of “meaning”.

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      • Your ignorance and stupidity is simply mindboggling.

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      • “:Random hot women are not interested in meaningless sex with a 43 year old married man. You’re delusional and stupid.”

        guess again. I’m only 36, but lots of young, hot women bang me, and I wear my ring. The fact that I’m married does rule out some women, but many (most?) don’t care.

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    • Don’t force it.

      There will always be more opportunities, you don’t have to make yourself do it and you don’t have to stress being beta if you don’t do it for a while. When your mind chills out about it, it’ll happen. It’s just a psychological thing that’ll take a while to unwire itself.

      The important part you should be proud of is that you set the frame up to ALLOW it to happen. You plowed through the scarcity metality that stops most men and you chose to be honest and open instead of sneaking around in the shadows ashamed of your desires. This is a REALLY big step and one that most men can’t pull off, ESPECIALLY in an already monogamy-established long term relationship.

      Check the links I posted elsewhere in this comment thread for some insight on the main pitfalls to watch out for and what worries your wife may have and how to assuage them.

      And again, don’t stress it. There’ll be as much pussy out there 10 months from now as there is today. 🙂

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    • Do what you gotta do brah. Just don’t ever put the mother of your children on “Bang My Wife” .com out of a sense of guilt.

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    • That’s pretty much my story, but without the kids. Same discussion, and same green light; she actually used the same words…that I needed to “get it out of my system,” but that she had no desire whatsoever to do so herself. You might want to bang a chick one time and see how you feel about it. I did, and it was okay, but for me, the thought of fresh pussy is more powerful than the actual conquest. I’m happy with the wife. That said, I’ll pork another one when the right opportunity comes along. I’m not pursuing it, but when it comes my way, and the circumstances are right, I’ll take it.

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    • he should understand that not wanting to be deceitful to his beautiful faithful wife isn’t beta, it’s being a man.

      he should also have read enough of h3artsie to know that the words that come out of a woman’s mouth mean jack shit. this is not to say that she doesn’t want him to ‘get it out of his system’, it means that if he doesn’t manage the situation and its aftermath correctly, she can easily do a 180 and wreck his life.

      also, shut the fuck up [email protected]

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    • This sounds damn near identical to the situation my friend is in, a lurker here (hi!) who doesn’t make the same cash but is otherwise the same, down to his wife offering the same deal. He can’t do it either. Some times I want to slap him.

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    • man marries, at 33, a cute 7 with a modest sexual history and excellent LTR and parenting qualities 3 years his junior.

      Yeah, sure, if a lesser alpha married a 30 y.o. 7, I can see him getting bored.

      He should have married a 24 y.o. 9. How many alphas are there out there? Leave the 30 y.o. 7s to the average-to-greater betas.

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      • Bitch, you need to shut the fuck up. Every comment I see from you is horseshit. Live a real life and maybe you’ll understand, you vagrant pigfucker.

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    • Lead your woman into your sexuality, whatever it may be (so long as respect is maintained). If that includes variety, then lead her there. Female sexuality is fluid. She will follow you, and love you for it. Respect your followers, or risk great downfall. It’s the leadership that matters. And for that, you must first command leadership of yourself.

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    • Get a hooker! You can get as young and tight as you’d like (Maya’s right that a man who’s only able to pull a 30 year-old 7 for marriage at 33 is not going to have an easy time banging hotties in their twenties at 43), don’t have to waste time prowling, and there’s almost no chance that a professional is going to do something stupid like try and break up your marriage. From one of my favorite blogs:

      http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/just-drawn-that-way/

      After reading all these manosphere blogs, I worry about this too even though I’m not even married yet :/

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    • I’ve faced this myself. The more sweet my girlfriend acts, the less I want to cheat because of guilt. The gentleman in this response couldn’t cheat because she understood and cared about his needs to the fullest, and he is socialized to stay true to that honor system even though it interferes with his biological urges.

      Inevitably you have to learn to accept what you are, a man with options, and pursue it even if it feels wrong at the moment.

      I’ve never felt guilty afterwards, but only like my cock is worth a million bucks.

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  48. OT: Women view modesty as a sign for weakness

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7918699/Women-view-modesty-as-sign-of-weakness.html

    Is there anything to save women from being viewed as the feral animals that they are?

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    • I see that as more proof that women aren’t attracted to betas.

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    • This has been observed by me in the past. Men honor and respect modesty. Women generally see it as a weakness, shallow as they are.

      But I still don’t get that study, though, because in my experience, “feminine” and “metrosexual” men are usually far from modest with their stylish hair and peacocking ways.

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  49. Having just seen “Rob Roy” my first thought is Man 2…Rob Roy…over Man 2…Archibald Cunningham.

    But it was not sexual escapades that made Roy the better man and did not end up with a “split” personality. It was because he allowed no man to be his master. Archibald had sex with whomever he wanted but he was a lapdog.

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  50. lol don’t worry everyone. Once again PUAs are busy figuring out how to solve all your problems with women. 😛 We’re working on breaking down the “have kids with a main girl, without entering a legal marriage, while having fuckbuddies on the side with her approval” arrangement into something codeified that can be taught to other men.

    It’s just a slow process because obviously we have to see how things pan out for various PUAs down the road as the years go on and as the kids are raised etc, but the point is that we’re reporting and sharing our findings and looking for consistent patterns etc that can be learned.

    This article’s two shitty options are why you learn how to set up Open Relationships.

    I’ve already addressed the “I’m allowed to fuck around but you aren’t” type oLTRs here:

    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/sext-game/#comment-347499

    Also search for my comments here: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/how-do-i-get-out-of-the-friend-zone/

    So in this scenario you fuck a bunch of girls and have your fun until you eventually decide to settle into a few more serious mLTRs with flings on the side, and when you’re ready you use the seduction skills you’ve developed to choose from your mLTRs and screen for the qualities you want in a Primary companion and in a mother for your children. Because you’ve screened for a quality woman and because you have experience with managing Open LTRs and Multiple LTRs, you have kids with your Primary girl and have discreet flings on the side with other girls with your Primary’s full knowledge and understanding that you have other girls.

    You live a life of open honesty, you have your fun, and you have grandkids visiting you in the old folk’s home. Plus a bunch of hotties show up to your funeral because you’ve made so many romantic connections over your lifetime and all those girls still vividly remember their moments with an alpha.

    This is not a difficult concept once you understand game and completely toss away society’s version of what relationships should look like. And in fact this arrangement is going on all around you, it’s just that a lot of times it’s shrouded in lies and deceit and cheating under the table because most people have too much of a scarcity mentality to be honest about what they want and screen girls properly.

    This arrangement also means more shit-tests and such, but dealing with those and arranging the whole thing just takes more experience with game than most guys are willing to put the work in to obtain.

    This offends a lot of guys, I think mostly because they’re trapped in marriages/relationships and thinking “that was an option?? Wait if that was an option then that would mean I was an idiot who passed up having his cake and eating it too!! I can’t accept that so I’m going to talk shit about how that arrangement is doomed to fail and piss & moan about morality and something something drunk bar sluts and wah wahhhhh”

    The “not-legally-tied-down Primary relationship with kids and flings on the side” arrangement will become the standard for red-pill guys down the road once we solidify it into something guys can learn and once enough guys in society have realized what losing propositions both of CH’s presented options are and inevitably seek out a 3rd option.

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    • Yareally and heartiste I like your posts except when you are pro abortion or pro racemixing. I want to have lots of white children but Im poor with criminal activities of the past. I manage to keep my housewife and children fed clothed and sheltered though we are of the lower class and I cannot raise our economic status through conventional means. I can only make money from shitty bottom of the barrel jobs or from creative unconventional methods, which never last, and then the opportunity is shot and I’ve got to move onto the next idea. I want to have as many children as possible though as I’ve always found ways to provide for my family, I will have as many as possible with my wife but I would love to use the niggerish method of having other ‘baby mamas’ on the side. The white race is dying and the govt refuses me the handouts that they give to niggers. I want to breed on a massive scale because I trust myself and my own cunning and ability to find enough resources for us.

      Flings on the side don’t do it for me try as I might as all these sluts are on birth control and I have an impregnation fetish. My inner self urges me to send my seed deep into their wombs. My ideal scenario would be to fuck and impregnate married women whose husbands will pay to raise the children. There are two options. (A) Find women whose husbands are sterile. There are websites to meet people like this. The husband willingly wants a child even if its from another man and agrees to finance the child. The problem is that most of these women are 30+, and I like young girls, my wife is early 20s. The other problem with this is that many of the women arent down for sex and want the donor to masturbate into a cup. Game advice in such a scenario is what I am looking for. It is a unique situation. (B) The other option is to fuck women who are married but the husband doesn’t know she’s cheating and thinks the child is his. The obvious problem is that if the husband finds out I will be left having to pay child support. I would never forgive myself if that happened and if I had to take resources away from my wife and my children with her. My family is #1 to me and I love my sweet wife. I could never hurt her.

      Thanks for reading and hope you will advise. Have you ever thought about such a bizarre scenario? Also worried I don’t want to bring home sexually transmitted disease to my wife and would never forgive myself, to screen for this I would have to ask the girls I’m cheating with to be tested, I want to do this without throwing off my game. I love my wife but I crave variety and I can’t get turned on if I wear a condom or if I know the woman is using birth control. I am aware this is a unique situation. Please advise.

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      • I would prefer if you didn’t reproduce.

        “Yareally and heartiste I like your posts except when you are pro abortion or pro racemixing. I want to have lots of white children but Im poor with criminal activities of the past.”

        I would also prefer my successful Indian and Asian medical field friends who are working toward contributing to society reproduce instead of you. Even with white chicks.

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      • Amen.

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      • Medical field? Helping the diseased survive to be able to reproduce benefits society? Really? Hmm.. I disagree. What the world needs is healthy beautiful white children.

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      • “I would also prefer my successful Indian and Asian medical field friends who are working toward contributing to society reproduce instead of you. Even with white chicks.”

        Medical field? Helping the diseased survive so that they can reproduce has a positive effect on society? Really? Hmm… I beg to differ.

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      • Medical field? Helping the diseased survive to be able to reproduce benefits society? Really? Hmm.. I disagree. What the world needs is healthy beautiful white children.

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      • on November 25, 2012 at 2:09 pm Hopeless Romantic

        “The white race is dying and the govt refuses me the handouts that they give to niggers.”

        Poseur. There are millions of white men on welfare in this country and you know it.

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      • In what country? America? I don’t live in America.

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    • yareally.wordpress.com. This needs to happen.

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    • My father cheated on my mother, and if i haven’t been a christian i would have spilled his blood.

      It remains to be seen how will children handle it.

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    • Very interesting concept that sounds challenging yet promising. How is this working out for you in real life?

      I’ve been experimenting for a while with inserting BDSM aspects into my relationships right from the start. Girls tend to be quite responsive, to a certain degree. Getting a girl in a mindset where she is expected to serve and please is very rewarding.

      So far, I haven’t felt the need to settle down again, but once I do the scenario described above is quite interesting. Where can I read more about this discussion?

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      • “How is this working out for you in real life?”

        Super. All I do is Open Relationships. I have a Primary LTR of 2 years who knows that when I’m out on weekends I’m doing my own thing. Any Fuckbuddy I start something up with knows about my Primary and knows they’re Secondary to her.

        There are a number of PUAs in these relationships raising children etc. We probably won’t have enough data for our generation because we still have years to go to see how it all plays out, but future generations will be able to find resources to arrange this setup.

        Also there’s no BDSM aspect to it. It’s not a dominant/submissive thing. It’s just understanding human psychology, having honest open communication, knowing yourself and your partner, and not apologizing for your desires as a man.

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  51. By the time you find an American woman worth marrying and raising a family with, almost everybody will be sterile from eating GMOs, half the children who manage to be born will be autistic or retards or deformed, and the bankers will seize your homes to pay their endlessly increasing bonuses.

    There is no more reward for a “good” life. Not in this world at least. The middle class is an aberration in history. It was allowed for one reason only: achieve the level of technology necessary to replace us with machines. And now the ruling class has switched gears and moved to destroy it as soon as they can.

    Fuck the DisneyLand of Beta delusions. You ain’t getting that nice 1950’s family.

    I choose Man 1 and will never look back.

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  52. I vote for Man 57.
    He lives in his own tent on a beach, moves to higher ground when there’s a tsunami, gets jobs Indian style (when he needs money), plays his guitar, rides his skateboard and has LTRs lasting anywhere from 20 minutes to about 2 weeks.
    Marriage?
    He may be crazy, but he is not insane.

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  53. An obscure British folk band called Pentangle produced a song “Cruel Sister” some years ago. Jacqui McShee was the main vocalist.
    Hearing her do that one song one time is enough for eternity.

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    • A fellow Pentangle fan on this site — will wonders never cease! Jacqui has one of the purest crystalline voices of all time, but for the love of God, don’t look at a photo of her…

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  54. Kids are too much for a lazy guy like me.
    I’m actually quite tall, good-looking and got a job…

    But I prefer my lazy ass life with occasional bangs to the never-ending hassle that family and kids are.

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  55. “Now… ask yourself: Which of these two men had it better? (CH)

    If you’re talking purely about sex, then the first man “had it better.” But that’s all. What if the second man lived a truly authentic life of adventure, learning,service, and purpose? How about a life like George Washington, or Albert Pike, or Otto Skorzeny?

    You never want to let pleasures of the flesh or materialistic gain be the most important reason for living. Yes, I’d like to live in castle in the Alps and have a harem of 20 year old Victoria Secret models to do my bidding. But as a person who knows something about living in excess, I can tell you that this life (the castle and the models) won’t keep me content on its own forever. This life may be enough for the lower man. The base man. But a higher man needs more than just pleasures of the flesh and materialistic gain.

    The higher man needs purpose. A destiny, if you will. An authentic life. I see some evidence that you are this type of a man CH. I also believe you know what I’m talking about but I think at times you feel the despair that the current world creates in men who have eyes to see the darkness that’s upon us. So your overemphasis on the pleasures that sex and love provide is a way of “making it all better.” .

    The darkness is upon us CH. A hot, tight snatch,, a line of Oxycontin, a new Bentley only takes our mind off the darkness. Only men of purpose and action can truly spread the Light. This is how we leave this existence with dignity. I’m not telling you not to chase tail, by all means, do what you like. But don’t make that your highest purpose. Your purpose is to spread the Light (using your writing and thinking abilities).

    To Light over darkness. To victory. Ja!

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  56. The mother of my children was a musical prodigy, with a genius IQ., and fine blonde hair that went down down past her perfect ass.
    I would do it all again. I would do it all again.

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    • Good to hear this viewpoint. I agree. It’s gonna be like threading a needle in this modern world, but I believe it to be worth the risk.

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  57. I’ll take you to the picture show and babe I’ll hold your hand
    I’ll sit up in your parlor, let you cool me with your fan
    I’ll listen to your troubles and pet you when you cry
    but get that marryin’ out of your head, it’ll be a bachelor ’til I die

    I don’t mind honky tonkin’ ’round if that will bring you fun
    But somehow I can’t understand how one and one make one
    I like to cuddle near you and listen to you lie
    But get that marryin’ out of your head, it’ll be a bachelor ’til I die

    Now if you want a helpmate, you’re wastin’ lots of time
    ‘Cause I’m afraid of church bells, how they scare me when they chime
    I’ve seen those married people just up and say goodbye
    So get that marryin’ out of your head, it’ll be a bachelor ’til I die

    This freedom’s mighty precious in this land of liberty
    I’ve seen what matrimony done to better men than me
    I don’t mind keepin’ company with the apple of my eye
    But keep that marryin’ out of your head, it’ll be a bachelor ’til I die

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  58. A brilliant wending of the wistful and the cruel.

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  59. You know I’ve been thinking. The affair between Kirstin Stewart and the 3rd tier director Rupert Sanders isn’t so much about Sanders being alpha and Pattison being Beta.

    Instead, what it is about, is it shows that it’s not the objective quality of the mate that matters to women (in this Robert Pattison would most likely win out), but is instead the socially-constructed dominance that the man has over the woman, which Rupert Sanders as her director would have had.

    Thus, even the ugliest, lowliest and most pathetic of men could become hot in a woman’s eyes if he can, at least artificially, increase his social dominance over her.

    Perhaps feminists bleating on about the effect social construction has on female mate value isn’t a product of delusion but instead one of projection?

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    • She’s a whoring starlet who hit the lottery with this Twilight thing… he’s a director that makes movies and will presumably continue to make movies, having a large say in re who will be in said future movies.

      This isn’t rocket science.

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      • But he is still 3rd rate to Pattison, both in mate value and in getting her acting roles.

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      • I’m not sure an actor has equal ability to obtain roles for others, let alone himself, as would a director and his network.

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      • “it shows that it’s not the objective quality of the mate that matters to women (in this Robert Pattison would most likely win out), but is instead the socially-constructed dominance that the man has over the woman, which Rupert Sanders as her director would have had.”

        Right.

        The director is her boss. He tells her what to do and she snaps to it because he is “The Boss”. She willingly accepts that he will criticize, berate, and be demanding of her because it’s her “Job”.

        Her boyfriend is her boyfriend. He tells her what to do and she’ll do it only if she feels like it. If he criticizes her and makes demands, he is “Bossy”, which is bad.

        Boss > boyfriend.

        That’s why career chicks (like the Petraues chick) make bad LTRs. They are always looking to put themselves “underneath” guys who 100% tell them what to do, why denying you the right to do so… essentially using another dude to AMOG you.

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    • “Perhaps feminists bleating on about the effect social construction has on female mate value isn’t a product of delusion but instead one of projection?”

      Then again, 2nd wave feminism was heavily lesbian, and thus their mate value to the sex they were trying to attract would have been a product of social construction because women are attracted to status/social dominance and status/social dominance is socially constructed.

      Perhaps these feminist lesbians, since they had female minds but were nonetheless attracted to females, were much more capable of understanding women’s sexual selection filters than heterosexual men were/are.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 11:40 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      The affair was only from his side. He’s married. The Twilight chick on the other hand wasn’t even engaged so she’s free to do what she wants. Plus, this Hollywood folks, they are ALL in open relationships, mostly bisexual open relationships at that.

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      • “The affair was only from his side. He’s married. The Twilight chick on the other hand wasn’t even engaged so she’s free to do what she wants. ”

        So by your reasoning, before the development of formalised legal contracts, no such thing as moral norms existed.

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:55 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Something like that, yeah. I mean, did they vow to be exclusively monogamous to each other? Doubt it. Why would they? They are young and dating, so what. That doesn’t mean anything. Moreover they are Hollywood celebs.

        Now, if they were an ordinary, non-celebrity, legally married couple who vowed lifelong monogamy, that’s one thing. But since when did youthful dating ever mean exclusive, monogamous commitment? That too in Hollywood of all places?

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “So by your reasoning, before the development of formalised legal contracts, no such thing as moral norms existed.”

        What else holds people to monogamy? Come on, there a couple of young kids who are merely dating. There’s no “cheating” in such a scenario. Plus they are celebrities.

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      • “What else holds people to monogamy?”

        Moral norms exist outside the existence of a legal order.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_morality

        “There’s no “cheating” in such a scenario.”

        The simplest way to tell if what you are doing in a cooperative arrangement is cheating is if you would not want the other person to find out. That’s the case here, therefore cheating.

        You could make the argument that infidelity in a marriage is a morally worse form of cheating, but given the erosion of the sanctity of marriage as an institution I doubt such an argument would hold up for many more generations. Pretty soon that institution will be finished and the sanctity that was attributed to it will be transferred to informal long term relationships, such as we have here.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:58 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Divorcing for any reason, including infidelity, is what erodes the sanctity of marriage.

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      • “Divorcing for any reason, including infidelity, is what erodes the sanctity of marriage.”

        Your cuckold fetish is getting tiresome. And marriage is not meant to be totalitarian. No-fault divorce is idiotic, but staying with a whoring wife for the sake of the kids is weak, dishonorable and beta.

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      • Even the Bible allows for divorce for one reason… adultery.

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    • Social value/status/dominance is to be considered in relation to her position in society etc. Some people exploit that by going to third world countries and literally buying people which is predatory. This is why the guys around here often don’t like feminist. When a chick has options of her own it’s hard to convince her to do things like stay in a relationship when it’s bs and they have little or nothing to offer.

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  60. My grandad married my grandma when he was 50 and she was 20, the Jewish way.

    (Although she was such a nagging cunt he threw himself in a river with bricks tied to his feet at 77. And there’s speculation my aunt isn’t his. But it doesn’t have to be this way.)

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  61. Hard to be a King without a Queen

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  62. on November 14, 2012 at 10:51 pm Marlo Stanfield

    Do it or don’t, but I got someplace to be

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  63. Is there a middle scenario where a man can “have it all?”

    Undoubtedly, the man in the first scenario has it better than the man in the second.

    In my case, I know for a fact that I want children – pass on my genes and the knowledge I will accumulate during my lifetime (and fix the hidden mess that is the men in my family).

    Would you say there is a scenario C? Enjoy the love of beautiful women, pick one women, have kids (skip the marriage) while enjoying more beautiful women on the side?

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    • The legal minimum you have to pay if you do not marry the woman is child support. In my jurisdiction it is 20% for one child of income and caps at 50% for 5 or more children.

      If the woman complains about not marrying her, just tell her feminism (its legal, social and cultural policies and structures) stole her man.

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    • on November 14, 2012 at 11:19 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      Polyamory, open relationships and plural marriage are the waves of the future. I give monogamy a go of about 2 more decades, tops.

      There’s a way to do it that is not a complete bacchanal, like Kenya and Carl Stevens have navigated and are coaching other couples. They basically teach that unless a couple is solid in their monogamy first, opening up their marriage will end in divorce, which they are against. So you can’t go into it thinking its going to “fix” a bad marriage. You must work on fixing your marriage first and becoming a strong monogamist, and then transition into what they call “progressive love”.

      And they are completely honest with their kids about it to. The long term effects of that are still yet to be seen but so far so good.

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      • Better to be promiscuous with no wife at all than be promiscuous but have to share a wife.

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:39 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        That’s your personal opinion and you are entitled to it but there are many men who disagree.

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      • I would wager most men, or at least most men in the manosphere, would agree with me.

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      • on November 14, 2012 at 11:57 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Well, I see it like this. Like a commenter said here, lust fades with age. If my newly married 22 year old wife suggests an open marriage, I’d probably say no. Same wife 20 years later? I’d probably say yes.

        By that time she’ll be my best friend and I won’t be as sexually possessive of her.

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      • Even though Bharatati Batata is an annoying orientalist-new-age-cuckold fetishist troll, I would agree that I don’t really view myself mate-guarding a past-her-prime sexually worthless woman. Jealousy is designed to cope with cuckolding risk. And women’s fertility window being what it is…

        I’d say that beyond a certain age, a cheating woman is hurting her man’s honor and dignity (those are probably outdated concepts for new-age-cuckold-leftie trolls), but I’m not sure if he would be as sexually jealous as if she were 30 years younger.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:28 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “Even though Bharatati Batata is an annoying orientalist”

        Edward said, “can the subaltern speak”?

        I doubt you’ll overstand my doublespeak so In other words, google “orientalist” for the correct meaning, my occidental friend.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:32 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Plural marriage/open relationships are not cheating. They are mutually agreed upon arrangements.

        “Even though Bharatati Batata is an annoying orientalist”

        And Edward said, “can the subaltern speak?”

        Since its doubtful you’ll overstand my doublespeak, google “orientalist” definition, my find occidentalist friend.

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      • “Even though Bharatati Batata is an annoying orientalist-new-age-cuckold fetishist troll, I would agree that I don’t really view myself mate-guarding a past-her-prime sexually worthless woman. Jealousy is designed to cope with cuckolding risk. And women’s fertility window being what it is…”

        I also agree that jealousy is a function of cuckoldry risk. In fact studies do show that men get more sexually possessive when women are ovulating than when they aren’t.

        cf. Conditional expression of women’s desires and men’s mate guarding across the ovulatory cycle
        http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/webdocs/haselton_gangestad.pdf

        But my question is, why even bother getting or staying married when that’s the case? Marriage imposes costs on men the only benefit of which you get in exchange is the exclusive possession of her sexuality. If you don’t get the exclusive possession of her sexuality, why bother marrying? You are imposing costs on yourself for no reason.

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      • “But my question is, why even bother getting or staying married when that’s the case?”

        With the case I’m referring to being the sexual sharing of a wife.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:06 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        “But my question is, why even bother getting or staying married when that’s the case?”

        With the case I’m referring to being the sexual sharing of a wife.

        Good question. The point of staying together would be hearth, home, love, family, cohesion and societal stability.

        You see, traditionally marriage was never about just the two individuals getting married but it was about their very large extended families and how those families benefitted from the union. It was also about their future children, their culture, their village, their society. This is why they tolerated each other, including infidelities, and stayed together for a higher purpose larger than either one of them.

        Ironically I find that open couples who are making it work are often more traditional than the post-modern “monogamist” couples who are ready to divorce at the drop of a hat.

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      • No, traditionally marriage has been about securing the exclusive possession of women’s sexuality.

        The only societies in which polyandry existed on a systemic societal wide scale are those societies where environmental conditions were so harsh that it was considered a necessity. And even then the sharing was often between brothers so that any off-spring were at least partially related to the either husband.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 1:37 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Chris, my friend, you are missing the forest for the trees and confusing different issues. Cheating is not open marriage nor is polyandry open marriage. Additionally, in traditional cultures such as mine, couples stay married despite infidelities because in our culture marriage is not just about the couple and divorce is highly shamed.

        As a traditionalist I would not divorce my spouse over an infidelity.

        However, open marriage is a better alternative to all of the above.

        Its not for everyone and there are serious jealousy issues that most couples have to work through at some point. But if done right it can be an aid in self actualization and transcendence.

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      • A man sharing is wife has not been and never will be the wave of the future, the backbone of society, or anything the fuck else.

        99% of the time, those relationships are between barely attractive women and their feminine waste of a Y chromosome “husbands” who believe in new age horseshit.

        People like kenya and carl, 2 attractive non spacey douchey people, are few and far between. Also, they’re black.

        Absolutely nothing about wife sharing provides an environment in which people can build a lasting civilization. It will always remain largely a taboo practice amongst the bored elite, as it has been for the vast majority of civilized human history.

        2 decades..out of which hole did you pull that stupid number?

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      • on November 16, 2012 at 1:07 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        realmatt, I pulled it out of my experience travelling across the US for business on a regular basis and meeting with a wide range of people who you would never imagine in a million years to be in open relationships. in the last 5 years alone I have seen this blossom greatly. 10 years ago I’d meet a couple like that every great once in a while. now its practically in every town, city and suburb I go to.

        I don’t see what K and C Stevens being black has to do with anything.

        I gave them as an example of people who I think are doing it somewhat right because I’ve seen some couples do and end in divorce.

        Its not for everyone. Most Americans can’t even manage monogamy properly, forget about plural marriage and open relationships.

        You have to be further along on the self-actualization pyramid to do that.

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      • on November 16, 2012 at 1:43 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        realmitt

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      • on November 16, 2012 at 2:16 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        realmitt, i pulled the number from personal experience with thousands of couples across the US during my business travels. not all of those thousands were plural/open, but i’ve witnessed a steady increase in the phenomena over the last 10 years.

        and what does being black have to do with the Stevens’ open marriage? that’s not generally a “black thang”.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 2:49 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Chris, you are confusing a number of things with each other here; cheating, mutually agreed upon open marriage and polyandry… all very different phenomena.

        I’m a conservative person from a traditional culture and divorce is so shamed in our culture that we won’t divorce even over infidelity if we have kids. Remember, its not about us but about the larger purpose behind marriage which transcends the mere individual or couple.

        I am more in favor of open marriage than I am of divorce.

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      • “Chris, you are confusing a number of things with each other here; cheating, mutually agreed upon open marriage and polyandry.”

        No I’m not.

        All three things have the lack of the exclusive possession of the woman’s sexuality in common and that is what my argument is directed to.

        The whole point of marriage is the exclusive possession of the woman’s sexuality. If you don’t have that, there is no point in marriage.

        Now that marriage has been formalised as an institution people might marry for other reasons but they are the exceptions. The fact remains that the exclusive possession of the woman’s sexuality is the foundation for the existence of marriage. Remove it, and you remove the one major all encompassing incentive for the institution to exist in the first place, and as a consequence, you would expect to see the institution die out over a few generations. Hmm whats that I hear? Oh right, that’s exactly what is happening in the West right now. Gosh who would’ve thought.

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      • But it’s the modeerrrrrnnnn timessss, grandpa. Get with the timeessssss. Now shut the fuck up and get on one knee and give me a ring and feed me and my children all your resources or you’ll go to jail.

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      • Once one puts children into the picture, the rules change for any quality man. How one raises one’s children is the most permanent way any man shapes the future (unless he is a high-achieving outlier like a Bessemer, Jobs or Musk). I agree with Bharatiyaa here. At the end of the day, a child is a responsibility. A marriage is an *agreement.* (and frankly, all this bother about sex is really about shoring up “the basics.” A man who can’t figure out sex and how women work is in a poor position to address much else, b/c he’s lacking foundation.)

        Marriage for some men may be about sole ownership of one’s spouse’s sex. Frankly, I could give a rat’s butt about it. I had my choice of a lot of women, every one both beautiful and very, very smart. (And one very smart, amazingly homely woman who just happened to be a ridiculous aount of fun in the sack — soemtimes a butterface can be a joy) I chose the one I did because I wanted that woman to be my wife and partner for building a future. That may not work for other people — doesn’t have to. It works for me. Your life, YOUR rules.

        Your life, “society’s” or somebody ELSE’s rules? Recipe for misery.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 12:56 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        ” Remove it, and you remove the one major all encompassing incentive for the institution to exist in the first place, and as a consequence, you would expect to see the institution die out over a few generations. Hmm whats that I hear? Oh right, that’s exactly what is happening in the West right now. Gosh who would’ve thought.”

        Well in my culture marriage rate is high and divorce rate is low. It is far from dying out. And we stay together for the sake of the kids (and our parents, and our in-laws, and our culture, and our community, etc, etc).

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  64. People are different. Some guys love seduction, others find it a hassle. For those without worldly ambition — artistic or entrepreneurial — producing children fulfills the inborn quest for immortality.

    Research consistently shows the biggest boosts to personal happiness are marriage and religion. Banging chicks, having kids, loving god — whatever — nothing makes one as happy as ignorance.

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  65. Any earthly pursuit leads to frustration because the object of the pursuit is inevitably reduced to something less than what it once was. There is truly no way around this, no matter what path you take–in relationships or anything, for that matter. The only way to cope with this fact is to not think about it (I.e., not remember the past), which can be very challenging.

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  66. According to the studies, married men are generally healthier and happier than single men. But I think it would be interesting to see whether married guys were happier than singles getting a lot of action, as opposed to the involuntarily celibate. Even if they complain of lackluster sex lives, married men get laid a whole lot more than quite a good chunk of the male population. Thus, according to Heartiste theory, they’re happier. But would an alpha getting lots of pussy then be happier and healthier than the married guy (assuming he hasn’t contracted multiple STDs)? I’ve never seen a study like this, but I think it would explain a lot.

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  67. Check out this five minutes of Alpha. Hope Solo, the hot goal keeper for the US Women’s Soccer team married a former NFL tight end who has a rap sheet a mile long. They eloped and got married….but that’s not the story. So 24 hrs after they got married he beat the shit out of her for arguing over where they were going to live. The arrested him and who do you think was at the bail hearing asking for him to be released? His dutiful loving wife..Hope Solo.

    So awesome.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57549736-504083/hope-solos-fiance-ex-nfl-player-jerramy-stevens-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assaulting-the-soccer-star/

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  68. This is just another article extolling dark triad virtues. As Euripides said ‘Dishonor will not trouble me once I am dead’

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  69. Any chance we’ll ever elect a never-married (confirmed heterosexual) bachelor for President? Although marital status shouldn’t matter, you might have men voting against a powerful playboy out of jealousy, women suspecting he’s hostile to their gender because he never settled down, and “family values” types complaining that he can’t relate to them or their problems. Behind every great man …

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    • James Buchanan, only bachelor President.

      Mind you, conflicting theories on Buchanan’s bachelorhood range from “permanently heartbroken by the death of his fiancee” to “low-testosterone asexual” (he never shaved and never grew a beard) to “gayer than eight guys fucking nine guys”. He doesn’t seem to have been a skirt-chasing pussy hound though.

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  70. on November 15, 2012 at 12:06 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

    OT only slightly and sorry for bringing it over from another page but this

    “1. Very good-looking men have more opportunity to stray, so less attractive women would not want to risk being with them out of fear of investing themselves only to lose to a hotter interloper.

    2. Very good-looking men have higher testosterone than less physically attractive men, and are thus more likely to pursue extrapair fornications. Women instinctively know this, and the less attractive of them avoid dating much better-looking men, influenced by their visceral grasp of the relationship power imbalance.”

    1. Any average, and certainly a slightly above average, and in this country even below average, female also has options so the very good looking guy having options too only makes them even and puts them in the same playing field. Its not really something most women would fret over.

    2. Where do you get very good looking men have higher testosterone from?

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  71. on November 15, 2012 at 12:26 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

    “1. Very good-looking men have more opportunity to stray, so less attractive women would not want to risk being with them out of fear of investing themselves only to lose to a hotter interloper.

    2. Very good-looking men have higher testosterone than less physically attractive men, and are thus more likely to pursue extrapair fornications. Women instinctively know this, and the less attractive of them avoid dating much better-looking men, influenced by their visceral grasp of the relationship power imbalance.”

    Sorry for cross posting a comments closed post but I have to ask – where did you get the information that very good looking men have higher T?

    And as far as number 1, even average (and now below average) looking women have options to stray too so that only puts the very good looking man on even ground with her and its not something most women would worry about.

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    • Not an expert, but I’ve heard that sexual success can increase testosterone production. Good-looking guys automatically have more success with women, therefore also more T.
      It’s like when they say you have to have money in order to make (real) money.
      At least in America, it is certainly true that even average or below average women have the same or more options a very good-looking man would have.
      Has a lot to do with the obesity epidemic and general slobbidity.
      Google ‘Cupid On Trial’ , an experiment some guy ran on the OKCupid ‘dating’ site. Very enlightening.

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      • If you weren’t blessed with good looks…lifting weights or using nutrition to boost T works the same.

        But it is really a chicken and egg scenario with success with women and increasing T.

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      • my english is a bit rusty, but i think i got it right.

        Man can raise his T by being decisive, and less agreeable, and finding himself a purpose that he’ll fight for in his life. Fighting and struggle fills the man with the Testosterone, and when chicks notice a man with purpose, and willingness to pursue it, they get aroused for him quickly, and give him space, and opportunity to learn on them… Offcourse that than rises his T even more.

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  72. Here is my theory…few men actually care about producing offspring. Men are biologically wired to seek out sexual pleasure from women and sexual pleasure only. Sure, there are many rewarding benefits from raising children but almost all of those are socially conditioned benefits. In an unfavorable environment where it’s hard to determine the fraternal lineage of the child (read: Western ghetto/many African nations) fewer men actually care about raising/rearing children.

    Women on the other hand are guaranteed to know the maternal lineage of their children and have much more of a predisposed biological imperative to engage in the acual act of procreation/child rearing. Few men in the history of time (regardless of how “alpha” they are) have ever been 100% certain that the offspring they care for or are nurturing are in fact their own flesh and blood. This is essentially the crux of the sexual/socio-sexual dynamic of the homo sapien sapien mating market. Males have been biologically programmed to seek out one sexual characteristic (fertility) in females because the lineage of offspring is never 100% certain while females must face the dichotomy of good genes vs. good provider abilities (alpha/beta dynamic) in their hunt for an appropriate mate.

    We can put all the social restrictions/stigmas that we want on our society, yet all of our collective ids know the score of male/female dynamics. Biomechanics is God indeed, CH.

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  73. While many are commenting that there are plenty of options to live like The Most Interesting Man in the World, the 2 cases are a reasonable assumption of what path a guy w/ decent but not exceptional options can take.

    On the face of it, man #1 seems to set himself up for the most end of life satisfaction when he calculates the sum of his choices. But the reality is we are what we are, and each of us is relatively satisfied by our actions if it seems congruent w/ who we think we are. So boring, safe, beta husband #2 is likely to be just as satisfied at the end with his choices as bachelor #1. We seem to be programmed to rationalize almost anything – agonizing regret *should* beset more people than it does, but is strangely absent from most people’s current and final perspective on the life they live.

    David Brooks did a whole series on old folks at the very end of their lives (in their own words) and it struck me that painful regrets were rarer than you’d expect.

    The end will bring cold comfort to us all, regardless.

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  74. If you have been with a woman long enough, grabbing her ass is like grabbing your own.

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  75. You write all this stuff about the fall of the US and whites then you do everything you can to encourage white men to not contribute to their society, be childless, and use women for sexual pleasure.

    You’re an ass. I know plenty of couples who love each other. But they all have something in common….

    They look like brother and sister and are probably SUPER genetically related. Thus they get along like wildfire, they get along better with each other than with anyone else in the entire word because they are so genetically similar. Not only that, but they probably due to genetic similarities have matching sex drives.

    That’s love you fool!

    Love isn’t a lack of options as you keep describing over and over. Love is what happens when you find someone super similar to yourself.

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    • Also all you guys make a point about “Wordly Artistic Men” would choose the first life.

      Bullshit. Jon Bon Jovi, U2 frontman, Christopher Walken. These men are artists and they have all stayed with their women.

      Steve Sailer has already proved that monogamy leads men to be successful at creating things. If your out fucking a new woman every night your probably not in your studio writing songs as you should be.

      Game is the quickest way to make sure a man doesn’t innovate past a ‘verbal bullshit salesman’ level. It probably helps if your a bartender of a restaurant, but if you really want to be a builder of society then yeah Game isn’t the way.

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      • on November 15, 2012 at 2:34 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        I mostly agree with you Berg. I myself come from a traditional culture that values marriage and family and shames divorce. I am more in favor of open marriage than I am of divorce.

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      • Bono Monogamo:

        Jon Bon Monogamo (in 1990):
        “The way I look at it is you’re only married within the state lines. There are 49 other states, we can have 49 other relationships”

        Not for nothing, the incident that led to Nathalie Wood’s death has often claimed to be a dustup related to the married/Monogamo Christopher Walken blasting her behind Robert Wagner’s back.

        If you think these HIGHEST of high status men aren’t blasting every which way but Sunday behind their – no doubt – beloved companions backs, you are a fool. Having it both ways is just one way to have it, when you have it all.

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      • on November 16, 2012 at 1:25 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Of course celebrities will have sex outside of marriage, DUH. You really think Angelina Jolie didn’t bang Johnny Depp when they made that one movie together?! She’d be a damn fool not to! (although he is aging and getting bloated now, in that film he was still kind of hot and bangable, come on Jolie and Depp, 2 sex kittens made in heaven).

        But nobody, and I mean NOBODY married to a celebrity expects them to be monogamous, not even their celebrity other half.

        The only people that seem to expect celebrities to be monogamous are non-celebrities who go so far as to consider seeing other people when you are not even married to be “cheating”.

        See Chris’s comment about the Twilight chick above.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 2:46 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      Berg is right.

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      • Berg is right… it’s just his fer-instances are questionable… both in marital fidelity and artistic merit. 🙂

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  76. you know its rare but you will find a man who will get married and live happily ever after,the sex may not be as good as in the case of the LTR guy but he will be genuinely happy. It all depends on what your looking to gain from the marriage. If all youre looking for is a hot wife get ready for a bumpy and maybe short marriage,but if it is about companionship. Someone you share similar ambitions with and you can rely on almost 100% then base your selection on those principles that you feel will make a good wife. and ofcourse make sure she’s a virgin,and maybe goes to church,has a strong christian background,once she has these traits,get to know her personality.take your time and i mean take your time to get to know her,this way its almost guaranteed that it will end up a happy marriage,it is alot of investment put into one chic but thats jus how it is.iv seen it happen a couple of times

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  77. Turning sex into somebody’s success or failure at life is the wrong way to look at it. It’s a biological urge and a way to feel good…like hunger or taking a dump.

    Do we look to fat guys as some beacon in the darkness because they can shovel all types of food into their gullet?

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  78. The thing about marrying late is that I want to live long enough to see my kids retire. I would be uncomfortable with conceiving after thirty.

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  79. What’s up with all these relationship/game posts? If I wanted that I could read Roosh. How about some more HBD posts skewering the lie of blank slate liberal creationism?

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  80. Theoretically your examples are right.
    But one detail I believe affects your perception.
    You do not have kids.

    It is obvious that dads have normal sexual impulses. But the presence of your children in your life is something completely different. It is an experience which you have to personally have in order to understand it.

    It completely changes the perspective. For middle class people at least.
    Meaning some self control, level of intelligence and education. Characteristics which usually land a man into the middle class.
    There is no way to make a realistic comparison without taking the children aspect into consideration, seen from the eyes of a dad.

    First example is a complete failure.
    I can still remember the feeling of emptiness and lack of purpose I had before having children.
    Only regret is that I did not have the idea of having a family and kids sooner.
    Some years of lost clubbing are worth nothing seen into perspective.
    Not that clubbing is not very nice. It is and only regrets we have are that small children pretty much restrict your ability to go more often.

    What I am trying to say is : there is a nice life on the other side of marriedge.
    After 30 chasing girls is no longer so interesting as it was in your 20s. It is a different life cycle. One in which the majority of people have different needs. It is true males can resist much better then females to the lack of a family.

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    • I really hate this mentality of ‘I’m father now and everthing is so different. You just don’t understand”.

      I do understand. I understand based on my experience with co-workers that having kids for most men makes the biggest spineless losers that have walked the face of the earth.

      When they have a family they live their whole lives for their brats. I feel sorry for the children. What kind of example does this provide to your son? Be a loser? Is that the role model you want to be? Pffft.

      These men become fat and complancent. They don’t take chances and act with boldness because they are so afraid of anything hurting their little bubbles.

      The way it should work is that the man is king of his household. He provides for his family but isn’t a pussy that is a slave to them. This actually benefits the family. They have a strong masculine presence to look up to not instinctively mock and ridcule.

      I’m just so tired of men using family as a crutch to not take risk and achieve while being a huge pile of lard.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 12:48 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      Yep! The parent-child bond is the strongest bond a human can ever know. And it does complete you.

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  81. on November 15, 2012 at 8:06 am betterthantheoriginalwally

    What feeling is better than blasting your wad into a warm vagina of a pretty girl (as per Heartiste this week)?

    Not too many Im sure, but when my son first stood up by himself and started clapping his hands, I nearly choked with pride. What a feeling!

    Oh, and unlike the former experience, there were other people there at the time who could share that experience.

    Being a dad is all good Heartiste, your thoughts will evolve if you experience fatherhood.

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    • I still remember fondly when my eldest son caught a ball for the first time, circa 18 months old. His gleeful look and laugh still evoke a visceral reaction within me that doesn’t occur when I think back on notable bangs.

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  82. You left out the guy that marries, stays alpha, still games his wife. He openly flirts, letting her know that he has options, and maintaining a higher status than his wife at all times.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 5:17 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      ” He openly flirts, letting her know that he has options”

      Average women from 14 onwards have options so this threat of “he’s got options” does nothing for women. They shrug “yeah, well that’s just normal. meh.”

      Only the abnormally unattractive human does not have options, mate.

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  83. Women pine for the men they fucked before they got married. Men pine for the women they never fucked before they got married.

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  84. What’s Mark Minter’s take on this?

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  85. Speaking of marriage…here’s one between an alpha and a lady that has made friends with the wall.

    http://seattletimes.com/html/huskies/2019684304_stevens15.html

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    • Her father Jeffrey, of Italian descent who grew up in the Bronx, was a sometimes-homeless Vietnam War veteran… her parents divorced when she was six and she lived with her mother,

      Daddy issues… what a surprise.

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  86. If these guys are supposed to be guys with similar prospects, how come guy 2 has only had “a trio of lukewarm short-term relationships” by the age of thirty??

    That doesn’t sound like an uber-bachelor in the making.

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  87. For those of you who haven’t been where CH has been, the subtext will escape you. He presents a binary choice because that is the choice he is attempting to rationalize. He is living “Man 1” and justifying it by saying, At least I avoided, among other things, the horror of “Man 2.”

    When you enter a PUA program, no part of you wants to contemplate the exit strategy. The allure of fresh pussy justifies all, and there is time enough and intensity enough to momentarily forget mortality. What you recruits — or even the mightiest PUA’s — don’t know and can’t account for is the ennui of success.

    Even worse is the suspicion that those of us who warn about this very real problem are somehow enemies of the project altogether — “you’re either with us or against us 100%” is the only thing that can explain our dissent from their binary perspective.

    N00bs can’t see that CH is approaching, is at, or has just departed a crossroads. Unfortunately he hasn’t developed self-analysis skills commensurate with his extraordinary accomplishments. Middle age tempts a man to hang on to his prior life’s choices at every cost for fear of contemplating the possibility of having wasted his prime years. The simpler and less trying task is to reject that possibility altogether.

    Unfortunately, a thorough analysis requires putting all possibilities on the table, including the idea that one could have done better with pivotal decisions and gradual drifts into habit. He is arguing with himself, attempting to find the logic that counteracts a growing, nagging, slightly disturbing realization. Hence the unavoidable cynicism masquerading as wisdom: “i assure you, the ending is craptastic for all of us.” Far from, but a soft landing requires a less severe approach to mortality which has served him so well thus far.

    This elite ennui does not apply to most of you, and so the reality of it will escape most of you. Those who are devoting all their thinking and effort to scaling up to this tragedy cannot and will not acknowledge the possibility that such a shiny prize in the distance can be more chimera than real treasure. All that glisters is not gold.

    Matt

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  88. He who “lives” has it better… Always…

    Since I’m 50 and not getting any younger, I’ve done my best to live the life of the first. Everytime I start thinking that I should “settle down and have a kid or two”, I meet some sweet young thing and think, “maybe next year, I’ll be too old for this, but for the moment I’m having too much fun”.

    The point is that the first man can choose when to reproduce on his terms if he wants – all that is required is going out of the US if he wants to avoid getting “stuck”. There are a number of countries – where you can find women who are perfectly happy to have children with no marriage, and on a man’s terms. The only reason leaving the US is required is nothing is forever, and you don’t want to be stuck paying till you die as you would in the US.

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    • on November 15, 2012 at 5:20 pm Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

      “There are a number of countries – where you can find women who are perfectly happy to have children with no marriage, and on a man’s terms. ”

      Name 5.

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      • Indonesia, Thailand, Colombia, Philippines, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar….and that’s just the countries in which I’ve observed this directly.

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      • They so horny.

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      • on November 16, 2012 at 1:35 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        So you’re saying the women in those countries just want a baby and any ol’ dick will do? They don’t want a husband? They “don’t need no man”?

        Sounds very radical feminist to me.

        Are these independent Asian feminists of high social, medium social, or low social rank? What is their financial class? What is their family and religious culture like? Do they live alone, with friends, or with their parents? Is being a baby mama accepted in the mainstream culture of these countries like it is in the ghettos and trailer parks of the US?

        How do you think this radical-feminist-baby-mama culture infiltrated these counties?

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      • You’re an idiot. Obfuscate much?

        You posted:
        “There are a number of countries – where you can find women who are perfectly happy to have children with no marriage, and on a man’s terms.
        Name 5.”

        I answered, listing over five. (Btw, have you visited any of them? Mmm.)

        Then you posted:
        “So you’re saying the women in those countries just want a baby and any ol’ dick will do? They don’t want a husband? They “don’t need no man”?”

        Nice strawman. No, my response said nothing about whether women in those countries “want” you to marry them. They’re female; sure they do. But if you put that you’ll never marry on the table and up front, they’ll still be “happy” to have you as their bf and have your kids if they actually like you, especially if you’re reasonably monied.

        For a Third-World escapee, sure you don’t know much about how undeveloped societies function. You must have been high-caste back in your shithole.

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      • on November 17, 2012 at 2:02 am Bharatiyaa Brouhaha

        Answer my questions:

        1. what class of women are these?
        2. do they live alone, with friends or with their parents?
        3. are they atheists?
        4. If not, which religions do they belong to and how deep is their involvement?
        5. why is there no shaming of having children out of wedlock amongst their particular social class or sub-culture?
        6. you mentioned caste. what type of caste system, if any, do each of the countries you listed have and which particular castes do these women come from, if any?
        7. in your opinion, how do you think it is that being a baby mama became socially accepted in the particular classes or sub-cultures these women are a part of, if at all it is accepted?

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      • Do you really think I’m going to drop and write you a book? If you want an in-depth cultural analysis of a half-dozen countries, go visit them.

        You asked a question, I answered it. You had no idea wtf you were talking about. Deal.

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      • If a white man breeds with a nonwhite his kids wont look like him and will be extremely ugly.

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      • But they might end up as president of the United States.

        Just sayin.

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      • You keep just sayin’ that, as if it’s a prize of some sort.

        What, did the office suddenly regain its lustre? Or only when one’s own man occupies it?

        Wasn’t too long ago, it was held by a white man whose ears were deafened with chimp calls.

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      • on November 17, 2012 at 8:00 pm betterthantheoriginalwally

        Ridiculous.

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    • Good for you! You should probably keep “living the life first” and not have kids at all though. My parents are twenty years apart, and my father was slightly younger than you when I was born. It actually wasn’t that great to have a dad so old everyone assumed he was my grandpa.

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  89. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. In either situation you have a different paradigm. I had a rainbows & sunshine paradigm with my first love, which I will never forget. Clearly it was wishful thinking, but had it gone on (marriage, etc), it could have easily remained such. On the flipside, sleep with enough women and they all seem the same.

    I sometimes ask myself the same question and have yet to come up with a good answer. I’d like to think that having tons of experiences with hot women will make me better at discerning one worthy of progeny and monogamous commitment, but is that really so? Or will I forever be tempted to enjoy the company of many? Won’t know til the time comes I suppose.

    Since your post talks about the deathbed though, it makes sense to acknowledge what most people talk about before their last breaths – love and their relationships with others. Is it better to love one, or a few, or many? Good question, but at the end that’s the only thing that seems to matter.

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  90. The In the end, it doesn’t matter which path you choose, some will have it good, some will have it bad.

    Being single doesn’t mean you’ll have a lot of fun and can’t find meaning, nor does being married mean you’ll find meaning and can’t have fun.

    It’s pretty much up to your outlook on life, and the quality of women to which you are exposed (to which you expose yourself).

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  91. All people do not have the capacity to fall in love.

    Not everyone will meet somebody that they can love.

    Marriage isn’t worth it if you don’t love your spouse. Kids aren’t worth it if you don’t love your kids.

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  92. Gentlemen your insights are great. Sometimes the forum is even more interesting then the always interesting articles from this blog.

    I liked clubbing, having different girlfriends, changing them etc for some time. I never understood though what was happening until I read this blog.
    I do not think any of my generation – at least my friends and they were many – had any clue. And here I am talking about successful ones.
    My successful activities with the opposite sex – quite successful – were entirely by mistake and due to a pleasant physical appearance. I was behaving very aloof and uninterested because I really was so. Twice I felled in love and failed miserably without having a clue why.
    Great analysis we can find here. Helpful I might say.
    But not that females are a sort of enemy. Just that the interest of the the specie is for the females to be very selective. That is why we are here having this conversation , because our maternal ancestors were selective. And hopefully our daughters will be just as selective.
    The attempts by each of us to maximize output is normal and desirable.
    When you become a father you start to understand better even this aspect.
    You invest in your kids and it is quite understandable that you desire that your kids will produce high quality grandkids of at least medium level social status.

    Another idea is that after 30 everything that motivate you before starts to loose attraction. Not that you start suddenly to dislike pretty ladies. Just that changing one for another is no longer so important. The effort and time wasted in meaningless conversations or spent in clubs/bars starts to seem irrational. You simply get extremely bored of it all. Drinking and clubbing with friends also starts to become boring.
    Not that you stop liking those things but they are not enough any more.

    Someone above identified exactly the feeling : “The parent-child bond is the strongest bond a human can ever know. And it does complete you.”
    Others have the impression that you become somehow the servant of your children after they are born. But it is not so. After you touch them you understand they are a part of you, the most precious one you have. That you would tear your heart from your chest without hesitation to save theirs.
    Of course those are very basic instincts but they are very strong and they pretty much define who we are.
    Those software modules deeply embedded into our brains which control our parental behavior are activating by the presence of your small crying descendant in front of your eyes.
    That is why our discussion can not lead to any conclusion.
    It is a program sequence which was launched or not. It can not be understood without the personal experience. It is not something to describe.
    It is the dad software application which starts with the baby. And when it starts you get the definite impression that all your life was just a transient development phase – which it really was – preparing you for the moment when you became parent and real business began.

    Of course everything else remains the same except kids take precedence.

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  93. i would choose option 2 as a more fulfilling life but the wifes option of divorce ass rape and child confescation before you reach that stage leaves only option 1.

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    • your comments are of the sort of extreme feminist wackos saying that family life might be interesting but your husband might kill you. So only rational option is for a female to stay single.
      :):):)

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      • Wives are rarely murdered, while husbands are often divorced (and sometimes murdered). You’re the kind of female-brained creature that can’t understand mathematical comparisons, perhaps a homosexual with no vested interest in the question.

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      • No, because he has statistics on his side. The feminist wacko doesn’t.

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  94. “paying for sex is not nearly as satisfying as receiving sex for free from a woman in love”

    Sure it is. First of all, everyone pays, alpha males and players included. You pay with your time, your effort, your sanity or your money. The latter is by far the least complicated because at least you can accurately assess the cost before going in. And the amount of effort required to get a womyn to fall in love isn’t worth the marginally better sex that may or may not result (unless you’re a guy who happens to get off on pleasing wimmin, which I’m not).

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  95. Maybe it’s time to watch a cartoon of ’54:

    I don’t know who wrote the scenario of that cartoon but he’s DEAD ON. This scenario writer has certainly swallowed the red pill.

    1) Donald is happy as a bachelor.
    2) A chick (Daisy) wants to “catch” him, and she does.
    3) He falls in love.
    4) It’s clear from the “tree-scene” she had lots and lots of other lovers before him. 🙂
    5) He settles with the stupid family and proposes marriage.
    6) She is gold-crazy and not happy with the ring.
    7) Her old lovers say “goodbye” to her. All the dudes are stupid sailors.
    8) Donald want to build a new adventurous life with her, but she unplugs this adventure-stuff.
    9) The scene where he wakes up in the morning and find his lover in her “real” appearance is just fantastic…
    10) After marriage Donald starts to wear pink shirts, to accentuate his betaness.
    11) She is only interested in getting his hard earned money from him.
    12) She starts to abuse him and takes away all his freedom.
    13) He find out he’s a slave.
    14) He joins the French Foreign Legion to forget his marriage (as so many dudes before him…)

    This hypergamy and red-pill stuff is from all times I’m afraid. Everybody should watch that stupid cartoon.

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  96. […] Marriage vs. LTRs […]

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  97. Plan C: Marry a great woman who cares about your needs as much as her own. Get her a good anti aging doc who keeps her hormones at youthful levels (yours too). Workout together. She will look amazing even at 50 and your sex life will rock.

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  98. A famous pathologist married a nurse at his hospital. The had no children, but had an active social life and he was quite prominent professionally. He dedicated one of his many books to his father, who home schooled him well before that was in fashion.

    “To my father, whose love of truth inspired me in all my works.”

    He and his wife lived into their old age happily together. She preceded him. When asked if her passing saddened or depressed him, he replied:

    “To complain of her loss would be poor thanks for a life time of perfect companionship.”

    Some guys get it.

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