Virginity Is More Important To Men Than Women Would Admit

Robin Hanson has a post comparing the female preference for high status men with the male preference for virginal women. Without getting into the particulars of the comparison (a valid, if imperfect one), the larger point here is that virginity in and of itself continues influencing men’s mate choice decisions and judgments of the women they date. Even American legend Ben Franklin knew virgins were worth more than debauched women. Fuck that, women *themselves* know that virgins are higher value than sluts.

Why should the meaty intrusions of past lovers be of concern to men deciding which women to pump and dump and which women to date with more rigorous romantic investment? To find the answer to that, we must put a magnifying glass to the hindbrain. Throughout most of human existence, a woman with a sordid history of lovers presented multiple risks for the man intending to devote his resources to her and the raising of any children they would have. (“Would” being the operative word, since sex for most of our contraceptively poor ancestors usually led to children irrespective of our wishes.) The risks of committing to a non-virgin woman would be:

  1. She might be carrying the unborn spawn of a recently discarded lover. (In ancient times, when the female fertile window was shorter, younger, and rarely unplundered while the plundering was good, this would be a big concern in a way it is not so much today, thanks to condoms and the pill severing the connection between sex and insta-pregnancy.)
  2. She would be more likely to cheat. A slut presents a higher risk to a man of future cheating. And female cheating = threat of cuckoldry, which means it is much worse than male cheating. Chicks with high testosterone, as evidenced by a suite of mannish features, are good candidates for sluttiness and are least likely to have retained their virginity much past the age of thirteen.
  3. She won’t bond as strongly from the sex act. A woman who has been around the block will find nothing spectacular about the next in line cock. (Slam poetry!) Virgins will bond like Krazy Glue to the first man who deflowers them. The love will be so strong that she will look up to him as a king, and Eat, Pray, Love boredom killing journeys of tingle-actualization will never even enter her consciousness.

And so men, for very ancient biological reasons, prefer to marry, (or in the parlance of modern thought, have a long term relationship with), virgins. This is as unalterable as the female preference for high status men.

Of course, nothing good is without its costs. Female virgins, for one, are hard to find in modern society, and are usually only available to the highest status men or to alpha teenage boys who got in on the ground floor. Very religious communities have more of them than the secular axis of ardor, but few secular men are willing to sacrifice the good times of nonmarital sex for the strictures of religion and better odds at bagging a virgin. So they suck it up and tell slutty SWPL fembots what they want to hear:

“No really, baby, I don’t care how many cocks you’ve hoovered up your hooch. I’m enlightened that way!”

…all the while drag drag dragging their feet on the marriage proposal.

Second, female virgins present a risk of sexual aloofness. Is she a virgin because she’s nobly chaste, or is she a virgin because she never felt much compulsion to have sex? As bad as marrying a high risk slut is, marrying a sexually repressed low libido woman is worse. (Although there is evidence that low libido women are really just sexually dissatisfied women who have yet to enjoy the wonders of sexual awakening with an alpha male.) Marriage isn’t much of a happy deal for men if the sex is a twice a year event. This wouldn’t be a concern if marriage adhered to the traditional notion of indentured servitude exchanged for sexual access, and men could tap that ass whenever the mood hit them, but in today’s radically feminized society, a man must have consent even with his wife, who simply cannot conceive of laying there and taking one for the team (or, heaven forfend, out of deep love for her husband’s well-being).

Third, many men fear the inexperience that female virgins are apt to bring to the bedroom. This is a minor concern, as a woman’s sexual inexperience is quickly and easily overcome as long as she has a normal sex drive. Sex isn’t friggin rocket science. A few weeks of hot nonstop sex with a virgin and she’ll have a repertoire of positions that would make Andrew Sullivan’s beagle blush.

The biggest cost to pursuing virgins is the reason why it sometimes benefits to pursue sluts:

They don’t put out.

Virgins have value as wives and girlfriends, but sluts have value as easy lays. Don’t underestimate the power of the easy lay to cloud a man’s future oriented judgment.





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  1. What about virgin guys?

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  2. on August 18, 2010 at 2:45 pm Man from delmonte

    Virgin men? This is all you need to know:

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  3. Virginity is more important to men than men would admit.

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  4. Off topic, but hilarious video:

    Guy convinces a load of high-school girls to sign a petition ending women’s right to vote, all because they don’t understand what suffrage means.

    All at the fancy school sign (and some cheer even cheer) except for one smart girl. Perfectly illustrates the ratio of smart to dumb girls.

    Strangely, I find myself more attracted to the smart, tall geeky chick who refused to sign it than any of the dumb airheads.

    I always thought I valued looks over intelligence.

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  5. on August 18, 2010 at 2:52 pm Professor Woland

    One really interesting twist in this rat race is that now, thanks to DNA, men can be 100% certain if a child is really his. This is one technical advancement that definately changes things. Paternity fraud is one of those things that will not survive the next couple of decades.

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  7. 1.1 million Americans between the ages of 25 and 40 are still virgins – CDC report

    http://www.bakadesuyo.com/how-many-people-over-25-are-still-virgins

    >Those who lose their virginity at a later age—and we are talking around 21 to 23 years old—are candidates for experiencing sexual dysfunctions later in life, according to researchers at Columbia University and the New York State Psychiatric Institute’s HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies.

    >Lower I.Q.’s are also correlated with lower rates of virginity. So perhaps it pays to be of average intelligence (at least in the bedroom).

    >The CDC also reports that by age 19, 80% of men and 75% of women have lost their virginity.

    >High school’s a prime setting for men to lose their virginity: the odds a man who has engaged in sexual activity had his first experience between the ages of 16 and 17 are 1 in 3.7. The odds the first time took place between 18 and 19 are lower, 1 in 4.35, and drop to 1 in 5.88 for those who waited until age 20 or older. And the odds a man aged 25-44 has had no female partners are 1 in 35.71. More women than men are likely to postpone losing their virginity, but during the teens and early 20s their odds follow the identical trajectory. However, by the time a woman enters the age range of 25-44, the odds she has had no male sexual partners are 1 in 58.82—so somewhere along the line women start outpacing men in shedding their virginity.

    >Math and Sciences majors have the highest rates of virginity. Studio Art had the lowest.

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  8. Nooooo! That’s only because the men surveyed are still under the influence of the remnants of patriarchy where female sexuality is repressed! An empowered woman’s sexuality is just the same as a man’s, RAWR!

    Wait… sarcasm is the lowest form of humor. Damn.

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  9. Guys, Chateau is probably just a geek vicariously living an Internet-based alternative Don Juan through this blog.

    Like I’ve said before, just be yourself, without coming off as too desperate, and women will respond. I’m sure some guys have tried to pull this stuff of in the real world, didn’t go to well, did it?

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  10. @CDC Sez,

    Women outpace men in losing their virginity from 25-44; that just says that there are some loser males that have no value and this continues to be the case. Women of low value still have some value to someone, even when older.

    So some males are just thrown away.

    And as for this post, …

    Instinctively, all men know this. Women, too.

    I personally find it inconvenient when a woman is saving herself (for someone not me). But I respect it.

    The truth is: feminists can say what they want, but women know the truth. In their guts.

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  11. When you date a slut – assuming you initially didn’t know she was a raging slut – the slut will usually be surrounded by male “friends”.
    You can bet your ballsack that she has sucked and fucked their swollen boners multiple times, their jizz intermingling in the void of her skank soul.

    So you’re out at a bar with her and some friends. Her male friends are everywhere; their eyes are upon you.
    And you can see the smugness in their eyes: they have jizzed upon the lips that you kiss, and they love it.
    You, now reduced to a beta, a weak deluded male who sees virtue in girls’ hearts, you lap up their sloppy seconds, you value the jizz-drenched whore enough to date her: the whore whose vagina they have used
    as a cumdumpster, over and over again. And will use as a cumdumpster again, and again, and again.
    Yet her sweet smile, her soothing voice, her feminine allure, her silky skin, her softness, her fragility,
    all of these belie the whore beneath.

    Fact:
    A woman who surrounds herself with exes and guys she has banged is an insecure, trashy woman. Why? Because she needs the ego boost of being around guys who once found her sexually
    attractive enough to sleep with her. A woman of quality derives self-esteem from within; she will respect herself – and her boyfriend – enough to avoid
    being “friends” with the hungry wolves that are ex-lovers.

    Unless the guy lost his testicles in an unfortunate accident, he will ALWAYS be trying to fuck her – he has no interest in being her “friend”.

    So, not only is she probably a herpes-ridden ho who has no self-restraint or class, you’ll never be proud of yourself, or her, because everywhere you go you’ll find the dripping cocks of guys who have ventured into her every hole, easily, without resistance, like a knife through warm jizz.

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  12. on August 18, 2010 at 3:11 pm InquiringMind

    @ Thursday

    I like Thursday, let’s just be friends, and I think he is one of the up and coming bright lights in the Roissy-sphere, but he spends more time commenting on other peoples blog posts than he does writing his own. Get back to work!

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  13. Contrary to most men’s fantasies, higher value women (i.e., hot) don’t sleep around as much as fugs, check out the decline in dating market value of these ladies as the number of lovers increases.
    http://izismile.com/2010/08/17/guess_the_number_of_womens_lovers_by_the_7_pics.html
    Someone mentioned Friends in the other thread, well, a character was once told, “It’s food, Monica, not love…”

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  14. @Thursday,

    I also hate breaking young women in. I’ve had to leave women because no matter what I did, the “training” would have taken too long, and resulted in less interesting sex, anyway.

    Men can say it’s all hotness. There’s a limit – 45 year-old women just don’t cut it. But a prim, proper hot 22 year-old who is squeamish about even touching herself versus a 32-year-old hot girl (though less hot) who’s been around and loves sex–

    No contest. Of course, a 22 year-old who was the same would be ideal, … but these are rarer.

    The one thing I can’t abide is sexual self-consciousness. Sex is so ridiculous, so absurd, you need to just surrender your hesitations and let it go.

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  15. Virgins falling under An Unbreakable Spell from the First Cock is as much a myth as all virgins being sweet.

    Plenty of virgins marry their first “true love” only to get bitter divorces years later.

    No re-tap, there…

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  16. On the subject of male virgins vs female virgins, I think Becky from 4chan pretty much made it all clear:

    (Pic and lingo might be confusing if you’ve never been to 4chan)

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  17. on August 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm helene edwards

    Those interested in historical accuracy (most of you are presentists) might want to check out a 1968 movie called “Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice,” about two married couples in Hollywood. There’s a great scene where Ted (Elliot Gould) wants to have sex and Alice
    Dyan Cannon, looking great) will have none of it. So Ted says, “OK, I’m going for a jog.” At which point she throws a fit and tells him he can’t go jogging, either.

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  18. @Firepower
    Virgins falling under An Unbreakable Spell from the First Cock is as much a myth as all virgins being sweet.

    Plenty of virgins marry their first “true love” only to get bitter divorces years later.

    No re-tap, there…

    I agree.

    The poison of feminism and entitlement has seeped in everywhere.

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  19. on August 18, 2010 at 3:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””on August 18, 2010 at 3:06 pm Thursday
    There are significant number of men though who actively protect virgins.
    ””””’

    There fixed that for ya he he he

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  20. “However, by the time a woman enters the age range of 25-44, the odds she has had no male sexual partners are 1 in 58.82—so somewhere along the line women start outpacing men in shedding their virginity.”

    Science continues to support my theories!

    http://ahappinessexperiment.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/sexy-curves/

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  21. And then there’s always that girl who admits to a recent streak of total sluttiness, and so she wants to take it nice and slooooooow with you cause you’re a nice guy.

    Translation: She puts out like a slab of truck-stop bacon for alpha bad boys.

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  22. Virgin? Shit, try finding a chick whose cock count is less than her age these days.

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  24. Its funny that Roissy writes on this topic becuase the last 2 girls (both Indian) i went out with happened to be virgins. One of them happens to be a butter face but nice boobs and I am concerned about deflowering her because she is going to be clingy and I have no intentions of being seen with butterface in town. The other downside with virgins is they have made up their mind on not having sex with you when they come back to ur place.

    Also, They have this dreamy picture in their head about their first time and so a casual date infused with game and venue changing her back to ur place does not qualify as a siutation where she feels she shud be loosing her virginity.

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  25. on August 18, 2010 at 3:50 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

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  26. This is just typical beta male insecurity rearing its ugly head. High status men have no concern of their women cheating on them, and aren’t worried about not having them bond as much through the sex act, because this type of stuff doesn’t happen to alpha, high status men. As a result, alphas do not value virginity at all.

    The valuing of chastity and insecurity about cuckolding is something that is adaptive for beta men who had enough trouble scoring any woman in the first place, since the majority of women were mating with a select few alphas. There is a cultural premium that has been placed on virginity to protect the newly powerful but still unattractive beta males from being cuckolded. This is highly prevalent in western religion, for example. While I do believe it is hardwired into us, I also believe that it also turns off in alphas.

    This lack of jealousy is something that I have experienced in the last year or so, and interestingly, because I am not emotionally effected by it, it doesn’t really happen to me anymore, even though I often date women who are dating other men.

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  27. It really depends on what you’re going for. Now that I’m going for not much more than bangs, I don’t want virgins. Taking the time to train them and make them comfortable is just not worth it. Like some others said, I would rather them already be broken in.

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  28. Roissy has his concepts crystal! It is safe to assume he knows what he is talking about.
    I came to this country as a teenager and was able to quickly adapt to the american way of life – basically lots of partying, banging stupid american sluts, and drinking tons of alcohol – I have been part of this american regime for over a decade now. During this time I FINALLY came to terms with homos – Nothing against them, but I just can’t relate to them probably will never be able relate to them but I am ‘ok’ with their existence. People get sick all the time, you can’t dislike them for being sick.
    Moving on, I pcame to terms with every stupid, weirdest thing this country had to throw at me, but what still puzzles me to this day is how are guys OK with marrying sluts? How can you marry a woman who has been stuffed by random dudes?? I have not been able to wrap my mind around this. No matter how many women I have banged and it doesn’t matter how many more I will — No matter how open minded of a man I am — I will never and I mean never ever settle down with a woman who has had cocks up her no good vagina. The vagina’s WORTH comes from it’s abstinence from cocks, not by getting rammed by multiple cocks. Back in eastern countries, there are still a lot of women who believe in the concept of saving themselves for ‘A’ man. I tell my american friends to fuck women here, and if they do plan to get married I can hook em up with a virgin bride 😉

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  29. Chateau–

    Second, female virgins present a risk of sexual aloofness. Is she a virgin because she’s nobly chaste, or is she a virgin because she never felt much compulsion to have sex? As bad as marrying a high risk slut is, marrying a sexually repressed low libido woman is worse.

    It’s pretty damn easy to figure out whether a virgin is sexually hot but bottled up or not. As well a certain amount of repression can definitely be overcome, with the results volcanic.

    Just start engaging in sexual innuendo leading up to dirty talk with your virgin, before the real buy in moment (marriage with prenup). Do this once she has strong sexual attractin towards you and trusts you. I.e. once a relationship with say only kissing and some petting has begun.

    The dirty talk/phone sex will probably be more easily done on the phone with her, as she’ll feel less threatened by her fear of losing control and getting prematurely deflowered.

    If you can get her to hotly respond, no worries mate.

    As for sexual inexperience, it’s a blast to break eager sexstudents in, and mold them to your desires.

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  30. Just want to add that it may be best to change the meaning of virginity to someone who hasn’t gone raw dog yet…

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  31. culdcept

    It really depends on what you’re going for. Now that I’m going for not much more than bangs, I don’t want virgins. Taking the time to train them and make them comfortable is just not worth it. Like some others said, I would rather them already be broken in.

    For girls your not going to commit to long term, sure. But for a girl you’d want to marry, no way.

    Another good one would be a girl who married young, no children, and eventually left her husband because he was too wimpy and lost interest in sex / was a sexual dud, among other things, like low ambition. She’s unlikely to admit any but the last of these things unless you propose it – then she probably will. Get her soon after she comes on the market and you’re good. I speak from personal experience.

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  32. “there is evidence that low libido women are really just sexually dissatisfied women who have yet to enjoy the wonders of sexual awakening with an alpha male.”

    Previously, in talking about sluts, you’ve driven the testosterone/androgen angle – girls with forearm hair and manly chins are sluts by biological necessity of a testosterone driven high libido – so which is it? Are sluts, then, only women who already have enjoyed the wonders of sexual awakening with an alpha male? One that didn’t happen to be the guy determining whether or not she is a slut? I think applying the “low self esteem” and “low will-power” angles are much better for your point when it comes to the slut/non-slut dichotomy.

    In the psycho-evolutionary/hormone/biological explanations, you can’t have it both ways all the time. If biology is a valid explanation for this behaviour, then there’s going to be a trade-off: either a sexually repressed, non-cheating virgin or a sex-loving, possibly cheating slut. My cousins are both evangelical Christians, with unmanly chins and almost non-existent forearm hair. Both were virgins when they married. One has been married for 6 years, the other for 2, and to this day both tell me that they hate and avoid having sex. Sometimes I feel sorry for their husbands, both of whom are also extremely Christian and probably fear they will go to hell if they cheat.

    I am a woman who happens to believe in the veracity of a lot of what goes on in your blogs and others, such as VK’s and Roosh’s, but sometimes what you all do seems so willfully destructive. I understand the necessity and negative feelings that come with gaming DC lawyer chicks who probably deserve it, but gaming virgins and young girls seems only wrong. You apply all of your cunning into gaming girls (some of whom happen to be virgins, or very sexually inexperienced I would imagine) and then keep them in your stable, eventually to be dumped. Many non-virgins and sluts put out the first time for a man they really cared for and many were also eventually dumped and the inherent value of their virginity scattered to the wind.

    If the virgins you come across cared enough about their chastity to avoid sex before you came along with your studied wiles, don’t you think it means something terrible to them to be treated in this way? To me it is almost like willfully giving someone an STD. I’m just saying, before any gamers pump and dump virgins, they should think about the consequences for those girls.

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  33. on August 18, 2010 at 4:07 pm FIngon Celebrindal

    Come to the third world guys. I got one for me. There are plenty more for you.

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  34. Hammer–

    High status men have no concern of their women cheating on them, and aren’t worried about not having them bond as much through the sex act, because this type of stuff doesn’t happen to alpha, high status men. As a result, alphas do not value virginity at all.

    Largely rubbish, with a grain of truth.

    Girls who’ve been really slutty and/or had their heart broken many many times DO tend to harden and do tend to be far less likely to deeply emotionally bond in a truly adoring way with any man, regardless of how alpha. Sure she may consider herself really fortunate to have snagged her alpha esp. if she’s a point or two lower on the female hotness scale than his alpha 9, but that’s not fully the same thing.

    It is true however that alphas are likely to worry less about the exact number count. Most alphas aren’t gonna sweat numbers on the high side of under 10. Now if she had a 5 year relationship with a solid 9 who was also very successful and an exemplary mate, who left her, and who she’s still kind of in love with, that could be a problem.

    The adoration phase of any relationship doesn’t last forever, rarely a full strength longer than two years after first f*cking, then tailing down to year 4 or so, but it’s still damn great bonding cement.

    Probably most guys have never had a girl truly adore them. It’s heavenly. Makes you want to protect her soooooo much.

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  35. Hammer–

    It’s important to note that how much slutting / getting her heart broken (and breaking hearts) it takes to harden a girl or dry up her tending to deeply deeply bond and feel adoration, varies between girls a whole lot. So it’s hard to talk simply about it.

    What matters most in mate selection in this area is feeling how much she does bond. Does she get all lovey dovey after a real sexual taking and pounding by you or not? And so on.

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  36. on August 18, 2010 at 4:20 pm Rollo Tomassi

    ANDREW DICE CLAY: Hey, is that your chick there?

    GUY IN THE AUDIENCE: Yeah!

    DICE: Damn, she’s pretty hot!

    GUY: Yeah,..

    DICE: You been together a while?

    GUY: About 6 months.

    DICE: Nice. She faithful to you?

    GUY: Oh yeah.

    DICE: She good in bed?

    GUY: *nods head enthusiastically*

    DICE: She suck a good dick?

    GUY: (laughing) Oooh yeah,..heheh,..

    DICE: I suppose the next question would be, “How do you suppose she got that way?”

    Every man wants a slut, he just wants her to be HIS slut.

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  37. Lol.

    What about virgin guys?

    IF the girl is really hot in his view and rather above what he thought he could really get, there’s a big tendency for virgin guys, particularly those who don’t much have the alpha dark triad personality traits of a degree of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and sociopathy, to fall in adoring love with his first sex partner.

    As we practitioners and students of game all know, if he does that more than she does, it’s soon curtains for her attraction to him, unlike the reverse situation where the girl falls into adorning love and the guy doesn’t, but really cares for her.

    The sexes are different. Much of the difference in areas of sexual attraction cluster around the fact that girls want a guy who’s of high status value and confidently dominant over her for her to feel the joy of submitting psychosexually to, and guys want a beautiful girl who will adore them, and do everything in her power to sexually please and thrill him.

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  38. @Lisa
    In the psycho-evolutionary/hormone/biological explanations, you can’t have it both ways all the time. If biology is a valid explanation for this behaviour, then there’s going to be a trade-off: either a sexually repressed, non-cheating virgin or a sex-loving, possibly cheating slut. My cousins are both evangelical Christians, with unmanly chins and almost non-existent forearm hair. Both were virgins when they married. One has been married for 6 years, the other for 2, and to this day both tell me that they hate and avoid having sex. Sometimes I feel sorry for their husbands, both of whom are also extremely Christian and probably fear they will go to hell if they cheat.

    There’s a good number of women like this. Virginity is valueless if the woman is frigid / self-conscious / has a low libido.

    There are lots of women who can go years without sex. Some that seek out men to not have sex with. The moment I sniff this, I’m gone – there’s just no point in hanging around.

    I also know men like this. Not all of them Beta.

    But virgins, being untested and untrained, are dangerous to *marry* without having test-driven the car.

    I’m just saying, before any gamers pump and dump virgins, they should think about the consequences for those girls.

    There’s something to this.

    I steer clear of the really young ones, and virgins, for several reasons. Always did. Made me feel guilty.

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  39. Interesting. There’s virtually no question that the guys I’ve known who were the most successful with women (we’ll call them “Alphas” or “players”) have not cared a single whit about virginity.

    For playing, or for long-term. Because, well, you can’t have it both ways. You’re not going to be able to fuck and find a virgin. Also, most of these guys are of the mind that it doesn’t matter who she’s fucked before, because they’ll be able to bond her to them with their incredible alpha-ness (really).

    So, food for thought. Almost all of them are now in LTR’s or semi-LTR’s with genuinely slutty girls, and loving it.

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  40. Sluts make great fuck buddies and one night stands, or short flings.

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  41. So say you’re starting to see a girl and she tells you she’s waiting for marriage. Does this increase her value in your eyes? Do you continue to date her, content with an above-the-waist relationship until you’re ready for marriage? I’m thinking most guys would move on to a girl who puts out, even if she’s less hot/smart/fun/sweet/devoted, etc.

    On this topic I recently came across on NPR this woman who’s a Mormon in Manhattan facing this dilemna – she’s 27 and has never had a relationship last longer than 4 weeks because they guys all bolt when they find out they’re not gonna get laid.

    http://www.elnabaker.blogspot.com/

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  42. on August 18, 2010 at 4:31 pm NeedSumBitches

    As long as her a-hole is virgin, who cares?

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  43. Esteri–

    For playing, or for long-term. Because, well, you can’t have it both ways. You’re not going to be able to fuck and find a virgin.

    Of course alphas can and do have it both ways.

    Life isn’t fair. Never has been.

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  44. OT. It’s a shame the Chateau no longer interacts with the commenters. Back in the day Roissy would mingle with the riff raff and this was sometimes more entertaining than the actual blog posts, especially when he’d rip apart an annoying, antagonistic female or betaboy commenter with his never ending stream of comebacks and smackdowns.

    The blog also had a more personal atmosphere as oppose to the distant “chateau proprietors.”

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  45. @ Esteri

    For enough, but most guys don’t have that kind of pull. A slut can bond with a guy who is alpha because every woman wants that—the hindbrain is the hindbrain.

    But for the beta who’s looking to get a woman and keep a woman, his best bet is to find one who’s (reasonably) chaste.

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  46. Nah. The alphas I’ve winged with always wanted virgins (or at least a low single digit LTR partner count) for marriage, when it was time to hang up the spurs.

    Miss Right vs. Miss Right Now.

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  47. Alphas at least start out with the normal concern about women being faithful too him – but very active ones get to the point that women are viewed less as precious long term investments (such as a treasured luxury or high performance auto) and more like lower level conveniences (how attached are you to the Metro bus or train car you ride – when another essentially similar one will come along in another 15 minutes?)

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  48. One Word: Taliban

    They probably have a Monopoly on the largest population of Virgins on earth…..view stoning vids on youtubes for their sluts.

    Beware Propaganda….

    the USSR was supposed to have fat ugly women…..remember the Wendys Evening Vear commercial…well Soviet women are not fat, sorry CIA.

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  49. Doug1 —

    Do you mean Alphas can have it both ways i.e. they can fuck and find a virgin? Because, quite frankly, most of the Alphas I know are in no way interested in finding a virgin. For anything. Sure, they probably wouldn’t turn down the elusive virgin-who-is-an-internal-slut-for-them, but they also aren’t up to the risk of finding her. If given the choice between a virgin who might be the elusive virgin-who-is-an-internal-slut-for-them, and a slutty hot girl, they’d take the slutty hot girl every time.

    Practically the best indicator that a man is very successful with women is that he doesn’t care at all about a girl’s sluttiness.

    [Editor: This assertion is completely bogus. Almost *every* natural with women has some concern about how many partners his lovers have had *if* he is interested in settling down. Now, for flings and fucks, of course most men who are good with women won’t give a rat’s ass about her past.

    Btw, it’s wrong to believe sluts will bond to alphas to the exclusion of all other men. Fact: most sluts are just as discriminating as more chaste girls:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/sluts-are-not-less-discriminating/

    The difference is that sluts ride the alpha cock carousel while modest good-looking girls tend to stick it out with one or two alphas. So saying that sluts will bond tightly to alphas is wishful thinking. They have already proven by their partner count that they are more than willing to remain *unbonded* to alpha males.]

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  50. “(Although there is evidence that low libido women are really just sexually dissatisfied women who have yet to enjoy the wonders of sexual awakening with an alpha male.)”

    Totally agree with this statement.

    By the way, there are a disproportionate number of goodlooking virgins in thier 20s in the undergrad/graduate sciences. I think most of the readers of this blog are social science/lawyer types, but we have mostly goodlooking non-slutty girls in the sciences. If you’re at a university take a swing by the biosci building and you’ll see what I mean.

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  51. @ LJ
    Her value, her price, increases. But so does the perceived opportunity cost of time, money, and other pussy that’ll take to bang her, thus making her an undesirable investment for my time horizon.

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  52. dragnet,

    Now that, I understand and agree with. Most guys don’t have that kind of pull, and so would be much better suited with a girl who isn’t slutty. But we shouldn’t confuse “most guys” or “most betas” with the Alphas…because really, most of the guys who are higher up in the pecking order do not care about virginity, and a lot of them even find it to be a serious turn-off.

    But yeah, for betas/regular guys it’s certainly better to ensure she’s bonded to you through other means.

    As for virgins…I challenge you to find a non-screwed-up/non-religious one in this day and age. Unless you’re picking up girls who are 15 or 16, good luck.

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  53. Okay, I guess I should clarify between Alphas and players. In theory, there are Alphas out there who aren’t players but who are considered Alpha because they could be if they tried.

    The players I’ve known/the guys I’ve known who were the most successful with women have not cared at all about virginity.

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  54. Lisa–

    If the virgins you come across cared enough about their chastity to avoid sex before you came along with your studied wiles, don’t you think it means something terrible to them to be treated in this way? To me it is almost like willfully giving someone an STD. I’m just saying, before any gamers pump and dump virgins, they should think about the consequences for those girls.

    I actually agree with this depending on the girl. If the girl has decided “it’s time to lose her virginity” sort of thing, then it’s different. But that’s not what you’re talking about, I know.

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  55. Esteri

    The players I’ve known/the guys I’ve known who were the most successful with women have not cared at all about virginity.

    Has it ever occurred to you Esteri that that’s exactly what they WOULD say so long as the players were in the game for casual and fast sex. Expressing an appreciation for “sexually adventurous women” is almost a requirement for quickly breaking down semi good girls’ anti-slut defenses during last minute resistance.

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  56. @esteri
    Players are like technical traders who don’t care for fundamentals, doesn’t mean fundamentals don’t matter, it’s just a matter of timeframe and he players’ preferred time horizon.

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  57. Gentlemen:
    What The Reaper wrote is absolutely true! It mirrors my experience perfectly. I quote The Reaper’s text below for your benefit in case you missed it.
    GT

    The_Reaper
    on August 18, 2010 at 3:10 pm
    “When you date a slut – assuming you initially didn’t know she was a raging slut – the slut will usually be surrounded by male “friends”.
    You can bet your ballsack that she has sucked and fucked their swollen boners multiple times, their jizz intermingling in the void of her skank soul.

    So you’re out at a bar with her and some friends. Her male friends are everywhere; their eyes are upon you.
    And you can see the smugness in their eyes: they have jizzed upon the lips that you kiss, and they love it.
    You, now reduced to a beta, a weak deluded male who sees virtue in girls’ hearts, you lap up their sloppy seconds, you value the jizz-drenched whore enough to date her: the whore whose vagina they have used
    as a cumdumpster, over and over again. And will use as a cumdumpster again, and again, and again.
    Yet her sweet smile, her soothing voice, her feminine allure, her silky skin, her softness, her fragility,
    all of these belie the whore beneath.

    Fact:
    A woman who surrounds herself with exes and guys she has banged is an insecure, trashy woman. Why? Because she needs the ego boost of being around guys who once found her sexually
    attractive enough to sleep with her. A woman of quality derives self-esteem from within; she will respect herself – and her boyfriend – enough to avoid
    being “friends” with the hungry wolves that are ex-lovers.

    Unless the guy lost his testicles in an unfortunate accident, he will ALWAYS be trying to fuck her – he has no interest in being her “friend”.

    So, not only is she probably a herpes-ridden ho who has no self-restraint or class, you’ll never be proud of yourself, or her, because everywhere you go you’ll find the dripping cocks of guys who have ventured into her every hole, easily, without resistance, like a knife through warm jizz.”

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  58. Doug,

    I’m basing this on observation, not words.

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  59. on August 18, 2010 at 4:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’titan
    Alphas at least start out with the normal concern about women being faithful too him – but very active ones get to the point that women are viewed less as precious long term investments (such as a treasured luxury or high performance auto) and more like lower level conveniences (how attached are you to the Metro bus or train car you ride – when another essentially similar one will come along in another 15 minutes?)
    ”””””
    Alphas start out with no concerns at all.

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  60. Esteri–

    I myself haven’t said that most alphas are all that concerned about finding an actual virgin who’s got a high sexual libido (meaning probably a pretty young virgin), but they often do intend to find a pretty good girl at least (with a high or highly responsive libido).

    btw, in my experience the sexuality of more feminine girls tends to be more pull than the male push sort of sexuality. That is men simply get horny. They can get that way with no stimulus but sure do get that way much more when they see a hot girl, or even pictures of a hot girl (not to mention videos, hence porn).

    There’s some of this in most girls too I know. The difference here overlaps a lot. But my point about pull type of sexuality is that girls tend to get WAY more into sex the more really go sex with an alpha male they get. They’re pulled into it, and can and do get madly addicted. On the other hand if a very feminine girl has not sex and avoids being sexually stimulated, she can think about it a whole lot less than men generally can.

    Higher testosterone girls have more of the male push, just get horny kind of sexuality. There’s a continuum in between.

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  61. Doug,

    Ok. As I said above, I think most of these guys would be fine with a virgin or near-virgin girl, providing she was adequately sexual enough. However, they don’t seem to dock girls immeasurably for not being chaste — in fact, most of them see chastity as neither here nor there, and oftentimes a drawback.

    As for non-Alphas (and I assume most of the guys on here are pretty beta — correct me if I’m wrong, or at least point out some of the Alpha guys), they will — and probably fairly so — dock girls points for being slutty. Because, like dragnet said, they don’t have the Alpha pull and need to protect their investments.

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  62. Roissy and everyone else, you really need to read the book Sex at Dawn, which gives evidence that trashes a lot of fake-ass evolutionary psychology. Everything you describe in this post (and the whole anti-slut meme that runs through this blog) is an adaptation to agriculture, and absolutely does NOT describe the million years of human evolution before that.

    “Throughout most of human existence, a woman with a sordid history of lovers presented multiple risks for the man intending to devote his resources to her and the raising of any children they would have.” Absolutely wrong. You are describing post-agricultural history only. For most of human existence, there was no wealth or poverty. The only resources were food, and tribal food-sharing ethics were strict and ensured the whole tribe got fed. Children were raised by the whole tribe too.

    Men’s valuing virginity is very likely a post-agricultural adaptation. Human reproductive physiology and its adaptations to facilitate sperm competition are the smoking gun of human biology: they show that it was common through much of human evolution for women to have sex with multiple partners AT THE SAME TIME. Our oversized penises and sperm-obstacle-course cervixes were shaped by hundreds of thousands of years of gang bangs. Hunter gatherers may even have believed that children had multiple fathers, with all contributions of sperm throughout pregnancy giving the fetus the best characteristics of each dad. Only with agriculture came the notions of wealth, property, inheritance, and paternity that would give value to fidelity and virginity.

    If you really want to understand why emancipated women love to slut it up, you first have to see why sluttery was an adaptive behavior throughout pre-agricultural evolution. Then you can understand sexual secrecy and duplicity (and a preference for virginity) as an adaptation to agriculture. Agriculture created incentives utterly opposed to our instincts. Roissy, please stop mistaking those incentives for “very ancient biological reasons.”

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  63. man you young people are weird

    i dont recall anyone even mentioning virginity in the 80s, except in the context fo not being able to wait to lose it

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  64. Most girls with low libido just haven’t been properly seduced. I took a 20 year olds virginity who has never even watched porn. Now she wants it twice a day and watches porn with me so, in her words “I can fuck you better”.

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  65. Doug:
    But my point about pull type of sexuality is that girls tend to get WAY more into sex the more really go sex with an alpha male they get. They’re pulled into it, and can and do get madly addicted.

    This is accurate, but also not accurate. I suppose it depends on what you mean by “the more really go sex” (?)

    The reality is that the girl doesn’t become addicted to the sex itself. What the girl becomes addicted to is, in about equal measures,
    * The guy she’s fucking (this is where all the happy-ass bullshit about “what is alpha?” comes into play)
    and
    * The newness of the sex. I.e. even if the guy is deluxe super alpha supreme, the girl is NOT going to stay addicted if they keep doing the same rumba over and over. He has to keep pushing her into new territory.

    When you’re in a fairly new relationship, you can just go straight missionary all the time and that qualifies as “new enough”, hence the addiction. So this is what you’re mistaking for her actually becoming addicted to the sex: she’s becoming addicted to the novelty of the sex (as well as the pure allure of the guy). If you think she’s going to stay that way if you fuck her the same way for three or five (or more) years, never pushing any boundaries, then you have clearly never had a relationship that has lasted for three or five (or more) years.

    My point is that girls, OTHER THAN the ones you’re labeling as “high T”, DO NOT become addicted to the sex itself — they just don’t. They want the alpha guy and they want the novelty, which can at first be accomplished via fairly normal vanilla sex but won’t stay that way.
    The only girls who will keep going for intense but vanilla fucking (the way MOST guys would be perfectly happy) are the ones with a very male sex drive. And most of those are sluts. Otherwise, there’s a lot less overlap than you think.

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  66. on August 18, 2010 at 6:06 pm Max from Australia

    ADVICE OF THE ROISSY SPHERE PLEASE

    I am 40 currently considering leaving my fat 43 yo wife for a 31 yo virgin ( so she tells me ) that I am fooling around with…..

    Is it worth it? has anyone on here sucessfully pulled off such a move?

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  67. Esteri:
    Ok. As I said above, I think most of these [alphas] would be fine with a virgin or near-virgin girl, providing she was adequately sexual enough.

    That’s nice, and probably true, if we’re talking about filling out a survey or something.
    But, the reality is, those guys aren’t going to stick around a “pure” girl long enough to find out whether she’s, as you put it, “adequately sexual enough”. Not even if they’re getting plenty of other trim on the side.

    The only way for a girl to snag one of these guys is to put out pretty damn fast, and then to be pure awesomeness. It’s a big risk on her part, but, as with anything else in life, you can’t get the biggest returns without taking proportionally big risks. If the girl doesn’t want to take that risk, and instead wants to play virgin / good girl, the best she can hope for is what this board likes to call “higher beta” (outside of religious communities that are irrelevant to the discussion).

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  68. Doug (my emphasis)

    btw, in my experience the sexuality of more feminine girls tends to be more pull than the male push sort of sexuality. That is men simply get horny. They can get that way with no stimulus but sure do get that way much more when they see a hot girl, or even pictures of a hot girl (not to mention videos, hence porn).

    I’d like to propose a nice simple way to differentiate between alpha and beta guys:
    “Alphas”, almost without exception, are guys who get more highly sexed when they’re getting lots of pussy. In other words, the more they get, the more they want. (Which can be accomplished monogamously, if they fuck their woman three or more times every day, but these guys get MORE flirty with other women when their sex lives are going well.)
    “Betas” are guys who get less highly sexed when they’re getting reliably laid in a relationship. I.e. if they get one guaranteed cum a day (hell, even one a week) from the wife, then they’re less motivated to look for sex, or even flirting, elsewhere. These guys are the type who only go crazy horny when they aren’t getting any.

    These are probably dimly related, if at all, to actual testosterone, libido, etc. — it’s more a function of the way these guys view compound rewards. I.e. the “alpha” is correspondingly more likely to be the type of guy who, after earning a certain amount of money, will be more motivated to earn even more money. While the beta is more likely to be the type of guy who will be perfectly happy with a set goal amount.

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  69. True. You forgot the STDs, though.

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  70. feomuerto:
    By the way, there are a disproportionate number of goodlooking virgins in thier 20s in the undergrad/graduate sciences. I think most of the readers of this blog are social science/lawyer types, but we have mostly goodlooking non-slutty girls in the sciences. If you’re at a university take a swing by the biosci building and you’ll see what I mean.

    What are you smoking? Yeah sure, dude, hard science chix are so much hotter than the girls who major in advertising, communications, or psych… right. What school is this again?

    I’m going to lay 10:1 odds that you are a serious asian fetishist, because otherwise this statement is just so completely wrong that I don’t even know what to say.

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  71. Reaper, I think you might be misreading some situations.

    Just because a girl can screw half the town, doesn’t mean she does or will.

    The vast majority of my friends are male. I used to promote male friends to partners when I was younger, but I stopped because I learned that nice guys love whores.

    They think the whore is the girl who’s shagging them because they love them and just don’t believe in telling a grown man what to do and what not to do with his own penis. What they don’t understand is that the whore is the one holding out for the highest bidder.

    It’s easy for a whore to say no to sex until the payment has been made. That’s crucial to the definition of the word “whore”.

    Honestly, I’d rather be labelled a slut.

    Since I’ve been back on the market, I’ve only had sex with one male friend because we were both drunk and depressed. The rest of my ex boyfriends are estranged, because I don’t leave a guy unless he leaves me. Once that’s been done, we don’t have anything else to discuss.

    The rest of my bros are my bros. There’s nothing going on there but the friendship. Interesting thing about the one I shagged though, he’s got no interest in being my boyfriend, and I none in being his girlfriend. We relate like siblings, which made the morning after amicable but weird. He is very protective of me though.

    I noted that if he likes a guy for me, he won’t say anything about the incident. If he doesn’t like the guy though, he’ll take me under his arm like I’m his bitch. Him hinting at something about that night means that the guy is a loser or a user, and he’s probably going to kick the dude’s ass for being a dog, and then mine for being stupid, if anything happens.

    Sex like love, isn’t always romantic. Sometimes it’s the next step in people bonding, or leads to or maybe validates a higher level of bonding than just friendship.

    If we’d been sober, we’d have become blood brothers or something, but when you’re really wasted I guess a penis is easier to handle than a knife.

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  72. As someone who went to a Catholic university, a surprising number of girls would shoot for “technical virginity” — i.e. giving and receiving head, and taking it in the ass, but not engaging in vaginal sex.

    At least Catholic girls still do their best to value virginity.

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  73. Doug:
    Of course alphas can and do have it both ways.
    Life isn’t fair. Never has been.

    Well, yeah ok. But you also have to realize that, IF a woman is perfectly ok with a unilateral arrangement in which you have carte blanche to fuck new pussy but she doesn’t have the equivalent privilege, then at least one of the following three things is going to be true:
    1) she’s at least a couple of points below you on the desirability scale, e.g. a 7 to your 9,
    or
    2) she’s been pretty slutty herself in the past and/or is not going to keep her end of the deal or be a paragon of self-control,
    or
    3) she’s a cold-hearted mercenary snake who will accept that sort of arrangement if that’s what it takes to secure what amounts to a lucrative business deal.

    If all three of these are false, then the woman is just not going to be ok with that sort of situation. That doesn’t necessarily mean she won’t forgive a transgression or two (or six), but it means that no way in cold hell is she just going to give it her general stamp of approval. Ain’t gonna happen. Even super alphas have to make tradeoffs.

    Note that this is true even in officially polygamous societies, in which basically every woman in a formally polygamous relationship satisfies #3 in spades. Every. Single. One. Except for the ones who are relative fuglies (condition 1) who are just happy not to be left out in the cold.

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  74. dana
    man you young people are weird

    i dont recall anyone even mentioning virginity in the 80s, except in the context fo not being able to wait to lose it

    Yeah, because, you know, conversations on internet boards are exactly like live conversations between, you know, real people. Exactly the same.

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  75. Alpha pull doesn’t matter in terms of guaranteeing a sluttier woman’s loyalty. No matter how alpha you are, someone more alpha will come along, or even similarly alpha but it’s not same old you and she will leave.

    A virgin especially in the climate in the West is on the other end of the spectrum for what men look for. That’s why there seem to be such extreme reactions to it. Virginity is many a time something women are socially pressured to give up. That said, I know of some cases which aren’t simply religion cut and dried but an extension of a cultural traditionalism and conservatism. At least one case I know of has physiological late sexual maturation playing a role.

    You have to realise though, that you have to be pretty selective given the merciless climate of the law. A low partner count isn’t bad criteria at all, though you have to watch for the difference between women who will want to explore more after exploring you and women who will remain loyal to you.

    Where I come from, the good men are content with good virginal wives and pretty much virginal themselves. The alphas that don’t have social or moral quibbles also opt for virginal wives but have their fun secretly (but they don’t marry those women). Occasionally some of the more liberal ones opt for wives that’re more of a mix, approaching an emulation of the Western model.

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  76. @ Nicole: Lost me after the first sentence. Typical female gibberish.

    @ Jonathan: you have a narrow view of what resources are. Think about it a little deeper.

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  77. Paul-
    “Most girls with low libido haven’t just been properly seduced.”

    I understand what you’re talking about. However, let me assure you that there really ARE women with organically low sexual desire. There IS a hazard in selecting women with limited experience (though Doug1 gives excellent advice above about sniffing out the virginal women who are live wires) for LTR’s.

    I know this not just because I’ve spent so much time on internet message boards and educating myself on the subject, but because one of my wives was that way. faked her way all the way through dating and the honeymoon. Tragic waste, as she was very attractive and had a spectacular figure. Being married to a woman like that can make a man quite desirous of sluts, I assure you.

    Allow me suggest that men be wary of certain red flags which may identify low-desire women – beware of women who seldom initiate, or who’ve never owned a vibrator/sex toy in their lives, or admit to rarely or never masturbating.

    Another attribute of low-desire women; having little to nothing in the way of sex drives, they tend to NOT respond positively to what we call game. And, that’s just as well.

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  78. Thanks for this post Roissy.. I’ve waited for it my whole life. The rabbit hole goes deeper.. don’t stop.

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  79. I haven’t met a virgin since 95. She was Indian and pre med, not very pretty. Her prettier, soon to be doctor Indian and paki friends were no longer virgins.

    Good luck trying to find a non religious girl, that isn’t revolted by sex, who is still a virgin past 19.

    If girls don’t like dick, they are either lez, or have extremely low libidos. I don’t buy the argument that you can turn any girl into a cock loving whore. Some inexperienced girls will learn to love it, others never will.
    We all know some men that are asexual, they hardly have any desire to fuck anything. These men ain’t gay, they ain’t beta, they just don’t like sex. There are girls that are just like that.

    I have no desire to get into a ltr with a girl that is religious or one that has an incredibly low libido- even if she is a virgin.

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  80. I find virgins under 25 irresistible but they tend to get knocked up like no one’s business. Not that I’d regret the kids of course. After 25 – too many cobwebs.

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  81. Re: Esteri and alphas in LTR’s with sluts:

    Just goes to show that being an asshole is a big part of being alpha.

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  82. @The_Reaper

    I’ve thought about it deeper, and I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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  83. on August 18, 2010 at 8:44 pm 1987 James Hetfield

    Dragnet: “Virginity is more important to men than men would admit.”

    Bing-fucking-O

    I stopped reading the comments after this. As someone who has never and will never know a virgin, its just too depressing.

    Girls go on and on about how their first time is so special, about what it takes from them…and then they expect us to just act like its no big deal on our end, like its something that is not hugely valuable.

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  84. on August 18, 2010 at 8:51 pm Reality Check-Mate

    This post is akin to saying “Size matters”. It’s a zero cum game. Girl gets ‘devirginized’ and suddenly she’s in the category with the skanks after she has been ‘had’.

    A guy can’t change the size of his dick and a girl can’t become a virgin ‘again’.

    I made the huge mistake of banging a virgin about ten years ago. The young woman became so clingy and pathetic and freakishly possessive that it was like trying to get out of vaginal death grip because once she had ‘given it up to me’ I felt obligated to see it to the bitter end even with her bawling and texting me 24/7.

    Never again, man. Never.

    The most childish, annoying, immature women are virgins and they are that way for a reason…most men would run from those crazy bitches.

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  85. the problem here is that virgins, like pandas, are vanishing from the Earth. WHile I know cases of HOT girls being virgins until 25*, most hymens won’t survive until 20 years old. What is much more common is the girl with only one boyfriend from 16 to 21 or even later.

    girls who had sex with only one guy until 21/23 are the new virgins

    * actually, there is only one case. A very hot girl with a titanium hymen. WHile I had trouble myself breaking a hymen, because it is much tougher than most people think, this case happened with a friend. The girl tried to have sex twice before, with other guys. Both were defeated by her hymen. She got traumatyzed. My friend, had already broken an hymen before, knew how hard it was, and succeeded where two other failed.

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  86. As long as her a-hole is virgin, who cares?

    Even more common than the pure virgin, is the girl who is a virgin ” but not in all holes”

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  87. on August 18, 2010 at 9:00 pm Reality Check-Mate

    Actually a tampon can even break a hymen. Granted, it has to be one of those ginormous suckers, but, still.

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  88. on August 18, 2010 at 9:01 pm Reality Check-Mate

    Ass sex is over-rated. It’s like someone shitting on your dick from the inside. The smell of ass on my dick is something I’m not too fond of. Just a personal preference. Plus, it’s gay.

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  89. on August 18, 2010 at 9:02 pm truth sucks deal with it

    The elephant in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge, because it would bring the entire fucking game-o-sphere down, is this:

    Alphas: Guys who are successful with women. Au contraire to popular belief, Alphas are not supermen who bang an endless multitude of 8’s, 9’s, and 10’s. Alphas are, ultimately, guys who like sex. A. Fucking. Lot.

    They are much LESS discriminatory when it comes to age/race/size/looks/etc. They’re the guys who would fuck sheep, if there was nothing else around to fuck.

    Show me a guy who wouldn’t fuck a woman because she was ten, twenty, maybe even thirty pounds overweight, show me a guy who wouldn’t fuck a woman because her count was 10+, show me a guy who wouldn’t fuck a woman because she was 40, 50, maybe even 60 years old. And it will be someone who doesn’t really like sex all that much.

    Providing she was sufficiently hot – and yeah, hotness is a threshold factor – no guy who has a lot of sex with a lot of women gives a damn. It’s these posts – virginity, age, a couple of pounds overweight – that call the entire board out as undersexed, low-T losers who may be successful with women now, but who will never be Alpha.

    Which, to be fair, is completely fine. Imagine how much the world would suck, were it full of ravenous Alpha males looking to fuck anything that moves.

    Basically, at the end of the day, if you are not willing to settle down with a girl who’s a little on the slutty side – barring super-religious types who don’t count – you’re not Alpha.

    [Editor: This must be bizarro world where alphas are less discriminating than betas and omegas.]

    Deal with it. If you think you’re an Alpha, but you’re not willing to settle down with a girl who’s a little on the slutty side…you’re not. Fucking. Alpha.

    [Define “little”.

    PS A willingness to fuck any old ugly or fat chick who drops trou does not an alpha make.]

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  90. on August 18, 2010 at 9:07 pm Reality Check-Mate

    I once lied to a hot babe and told her I was a virgin. I played it up to the hilt. She was so intrigued by the idea that she screwed me Kama Sutra and then some. Best sex of my life (to this day). As you get older you can’t pull that off though without looking like a freak. lol

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  91. They are much LESS discriminatory when it comes to age/race/size/looks/etc. They’re the guys who would fuck sheep, if there was nothing else around to fuck.

    That’s true. One moment during my teens when I realyzed what an alpha was was in a nightclub.

    A friend just kissed the hottest girl in the club. Then she went to the toilet. Meanwhile, he kissed probably the ugliest girl in the club. The hottie saw it and became histerical. COld as ice, he explained to her that he ” just made an ugly girl happy” . The hottie left the club. He ended fucking the hottie for several months

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  92. on August 18, 2010 at 9:15 pm Reality Check-Mate

    Actually, flirting with ugly girls is a major neg for a hot babe and nothing will piss a hot woman off more than her lesser counterparts getting male attention. Works like a charm if you can take one fug for the team.

    [Editor: True. But flirting with even hotter chicks will piss her off more.]

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  93. I knew a couple of guys who would bang anything that moved and some things that didn’t. They were not Alpha. Few other than the fat/ugly found them attractive.

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  94. on August 18, 2010 at 9:22 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “Reality Check-Mate
    Ass sex is over-rated. It’s like someone shitting on your dick from the inside. The smell of ass on my dick is something I’m not too fond of. Just a personal preference. Plus, it’s gay.

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    butthex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  95. Actually, flirting with ugly girls is a major neg for a hot babe

    No, probably the opposite. It is highly dependent on the circunstances. I would say that alphas, on the absence of hot chicks, would bangs sheep. But would ignore sheep if hot chicks were around. Anyway, I would not call myself alpha because of that: I am highly discriminatory with girls, and I have several friends able to bang girls as hot as, or even hotter, than those I bang who would happily bang cigstache. Those I call alpha.

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  96. Jonathon — somewhat true (most stone age tribes have some but not a lot of sexual restrictions) but the evolutionary impact of Agriculture is massive. Humanity expanded ultimately to nearly 7 billion. MASSIVE sexual and natural selection, for disease control, food, IQ, and everything else. Agriculture ITSELF being an evolutionary advance to more fully exploit resources. Hunter-gatherers being on the constant edge of starvation.

    Agriculture is more recent. It is also more powerful due to the sheer size of the population as humanity exploded all over the planet.

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  97. PS A willingness to fuck any old ugly or fat chick who drops trou does not an alpha make.]

    A 4 starts flirting with you in the supermarket line. WOuld you do her, or is it better to go home with some beer bottles, watch a Libertadores Cup game, drink the beer, jerk off during bath and go to sleep?

    [Editor: Neither. I would ignore the 4 and text one of my 7s. Although if those were the only two choices, I would do the latter. At least I can get a boner jerking off in the bath.]

    I would chose the game. And I would call alphas those who chose the 4.

    [They aren’t alphas, they’re horndogs. Plenty of betas and omegas are horndogs.]

    WHile I say that alphas are more open to bang ugly chicks,

    [Let me fix that for you:

    “while I say that blacks are more open to bang ugly chicks”

    I went there!]

    I never said that kissing ugly chicks in front of hot chicks is good. Because it is not.

    [Actually, kissing an ugly chick in front of a hottie you have gamed into interest can be a real mindfuck. If you’re into that sort of thing.]

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  98. a few facts:

    – there are MANY guys out there having extremely active sex lifes but banging only ugly girls (see whiskey’s comment above)

    – non-famous alphas tend to be muc h more open to banging ugly chicks than most people think

    – it is a proof of manliness to bang an ugly chick provided no hotter chicks nor any friends see it

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  99. on August 18, 2010 at 9:33 pm Reality Check-Mate

    Well, if there is only one hot babe in the room and the rest are eye sores, ya gotta game different. If there are a lot of smoking hot women in a room then giving the hottest one attention just makes you look like one of the pups in the pack of guys lining up for a chance at the hottest woman. I usually never try for the hottest one on purpose and that’s how I almost always get her (by assuming I just never will and ignoring her for other chicks).

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  100. on August 18, 2010 at 9:36 pm Reality Check-Mate

    I have only banged one fat chick. She gobbled cock like there was no tomorrow and she appreciated every inch I gave her but at the end of the day I was still screwing a cow and I like to fuck with the lights on.

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  101. In a completely off topic comment, I would like to remember WInston Churchill’s wisdom wrt ugly women

    He drank too much, and during some party some ugly, old hag came to him and started to complain he was drunk

    He answered: ” mylady, I am drunk now, but I won’t be tomorrow anymore. Meanwhile, you’ll still be ugly”

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  102. [They aren’t alphas, they’re horndogs. Plenty of betas and omegas are horndogs.]

    They are not all alphas, but many alphas would do that.

    [Editor: Not sure about that. Maybe in Brazil things are a little more… lax. But the alphas aka naturals I know hardly ever slum it with anything below a 6.]

    “while I say that blacks are more open to bang ugly chicks”

    True. Their fathers did that. But many white guys would do that. See: Hugh Grant. As I said, he banged that atrocity thinking no one would ever know.

    [Hugh was an exception to the rule. Most famous high status men are like George Clooney — a string of flings and marriages with hot babes.]

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  103. on August 18, 2010 at 9:46 pm Reality Check-Mate

    My worst neg I ever used, “You have the cutest crows feet when you smile.”

    Total bomb. The girl practically ran into the bathroom after she swigged down her drink to check for wrinkles in a panic. On the upside, that is a good way to weed out the freakishly narcissistic ones. Admittedly, I felt like a jerk but, damn. Women are so sensitive about that shit. You have to walk on eggshells when it comes to good negs.

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  104. famous alphas distort reality. Clooney can be much more discriminating than most guys.

    [Editor: Of course he can. That’s because he’s an alpha, instead of some run of the mill horndog. An alpha hot women find irresistible, thus making his job of attracting them much easier than it would be if he were just a horny club douche with a perpetual hard-on.]

    That’s why he is. Being a movie star, he is also ” forced” to live with beautiful girls only.

    [Gig you’re better than this sophistry.]

    Just like a nuclear scientist won;t know anyone who couldn’t solve a differential equation, a movie star won’t see anyone ugly in his normal life

    [The world is 90% ugly, conservative estimate. Clooney wouldn’t have to go far from his house to see ugly people.

    This talk of alphas vs horndogs reminds me of a guy I knew. He was what most men would agree was an alpha male — i.e. assertive, tough, military man built like a marble statue who was tightly wound and coiled for a fight. Actually, his coiled aggression was more indicative of lesser alpha than alpha, but I digress. So this guy was a “man’s man”. And yet, the chicks he banged were some of the ugliest fatties and sloppiest skanks I have ever seen. Chicks I wouldn’t fuck with lady gaga’s dick. Why was this? I’ll tell you why. He had zero game. He couldn’t speak the language of women. Hot chicks would be intrigued at first, then slowly lose interest as his lack of game showed. So he wound up doing what beta and omega horndogs with few options do —
    he fucked beasts.
    Nasty beasts.
    Gargantuan beasts.
    It was sad.
    This is why I define the alpha male as one who is good with hot women, rather than one who is looked up to by men. The one does not necessarily mean the other. Though traditionally defined alpha characteristics are leading indicators of success with women, they aren’t guarantees. This military guy was a perfect example of the sort of man’s man for whom crippling misunderstanding of women denied him access to better than what he settled for.
    But hey, he was one horny sonofabitch. Probably had the serum testosterone level of ten men. I bet a summer breeze could get him hard. Unfortunately, it takes more than indiscriminate horniness and a willingness to sate oneself in the folds and pimples of gross skank hos to be an alpha. If it were that easy, the homeless guy fucking his way through a parade of toothless bag ladies would be on par with Leo diCaprio.]

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  105. ” A few weeks of hot nonstop sex with a virgin and she’ll have a repertoire of positions that would make Andrew Sullivan’s beagle blush.”

    Never were truer words spoken. An intact hymen is the Beluga caviar of poon.

    Max from Australia – I don’t think it’s likely that your other lady friend is undamaged goods, if she is cavorting with a married bloke

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  106. [Editor: Not sure about that. Maybe in Brazil things are a little more… lax

    Tautological…

    [Editor: Sometimes a tautology is all we have.]

    ANedocte. The PRESIDENT of Brazil told the press that sex is good to avoid blood pressure problems. Which is true, btw. He proceeded to say that he has sex 5 times per week.

    Some spirituous reporter asked him: ” you are having sex with whom, Mr President?” Everyone laughed and no one answered it. You can google Brazil’s first lady and check that it is impossible to bang her 5 times per week.

    [Viagra can really fuck with a man’s good taste.]

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  107. on August 18, 2010 at 9:58 pm Reality Check-Mate

    I do miss the cooking from the fatty though.

    One of the funniest game tactics that failed was my, “Hey, Amy you look better than ever!” False flag game. Now, she says, “omg thank you!” I was like, [shit, now what?]. lol I now have switched the name to “Betty” which is an old-fashioned name and much less apt to be a ‘real’ name of a younger girl. Then, when she says, “No, I’m sorry, I’m not Betty”…I lean in and say, “Too bad, because you are a total Betty” with a wink and a faux frown. Works like a charm. Her eyes light up…a flush of color hints at her cheeks…her chest heaves and as I walk away I turn back and say, “Can you buy me a drink to drown my sorrows over Betty?”. She buys and I bed her every time. Well, except for the “Amy” incident. Heh

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  108. on August 18, 2010 at 9:59 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    hey roissy soeday you’s gotta post da chaptr ttlesof your book liek da tabl of contents zollzlzzllz

    your book would sell like hotcakes and be round fo r alog ong long ie lsozlzlzll long dong time!!!

    i promise i woul dnot jerk off 2 it bu might watch my hotte masturbate while reaidng your words if that isok as she reads them aloud and masturbates as i do er form behind if that is cool wth yu i iwll do it and send photos for the bok’s webiste and yah she is hot!!!!

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  109. My worst neg I ever used, “You have the cutest crows feet when you smile.”

    this is why I filter the comments here. I doubt any US girl would accept that, and I am sure that any Brazilian girl would make hell on Earth if I ever said that

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  110. gig’s virgin panda and the titanium hyman story is such a riot!

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  111. I’ll just throw out there that I would NEVER fuck a chick who was less than a six. I would rather go without. I really don’t like going below a seven either, unless its only flirting.

    I know a couple guys who are willing to get with 5’s and I’ve found that I lower their status, a bit, every time they do that. Interestingly, or perhaps not for the regular reader, the girls that know about their liasons with the 5’s esteem them MUCH less.

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  112. on August 18, 2010 at 10:17 pm Reality Check-Mate

    Back to the unfortunate virgin experience.

    I’m a free man as of 05/10/10

    Yeah, that’s how long that crazy bitch hung onto me. The parents, the uncles, the aunts, her friends and everyone in between kept pressuring us about the proposal that was never to come.

    Oddly, what broke it off was when her Aunt witnessed me walking out of my apartment kissing one of my side-dishes. It got pretty ugly but I was glad the charade was finally over.

    Also, I’d add that I would avoid ‘shy babes’ like the plague. Almost every shy hottie I ever got intimate with had some freakish shit going on. One I met in a book store, I gamed her and once we got back to her place and started to get our freak on, it turns out she has a third nipple. The bone totally nose-dived after that “crying game” shit. I won’t expound on the others but, jeezus, don’t bang the shy ones because they are shy for a reason. On top of it, you feel like a royal asshole for getting that girl to open up and trust you with something she is totally embarrassed and protective about. It’s like walking into napalm pussy. You do not want to go there because you end up having to chew your own limb off to get the hell out.

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  113. @Thursday

    I read your post on virgins and having just graduated a Baptist university I can affirm that Protestant girls are, for the most part, truly conservative sexually. I’d estimate the percentage of virgins even by their senior year was closer to 40%. At bars and clubs it was a little more the 25% I’d say.

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  114. @College Grad

    Are you saying Catholic girls are sluttier? Not my experience, either in the U.S. or Europe.

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  115. Gig you’re better than this sophistry.

    Obviously. But you ignore how much fame can shield someone from ugliness.

    Clearly, the Presidents of Nigeria and yemen are surrounded by much more ugliness than carpenters in Kiev

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  116. dalerojo

    Doug:
    But my point about pull type of sexuality is that girls tend to get WAY more into sex the more really go[od] sex with an alpha male they get. They’re pulled into it, and can and do get madly addicted.

    This is accurate, but also not accurate. I suppose it depends on what you mean by “the more really go sex” (?)

    Really good sex.

    By that I meant D/s really dominant sex that makes her utterly submissive. Yes that involves changing things and fucking in alleys of busy streets in an upscale or bohemian part of the city, and screwing her in the ocean and on a train and so on and so forth. Of course lots of positions. But just taking her by bending her over the kitchen table, yanking down her panties and flipping up her dress over her hips, white pulling her tits out and over it as well.

    You know, good exciting sex.

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  117. [Editor: Neither. I would ignore the 4 and text one of my 7s.

    That’s not the case. The question was: would you bang a 4 wh openly flirted with you or would you be happier jerking off? I would chose the latter and I have friends able to bang 8s and 9s who would choise the former.

    [Editor: I did say I would do the latter, simply because physiologically I would not be able to get hard for a 4. I can get hard in the bath though, thinking about an 8 I’m dating.
    Re: your horny indiscriminate alphas — practically speaking, very horny men who are alpha enough to bang 8s and 9s rarely if ever slum it with 4s for the simple reason that 8s and 9s are available to them. Why boff a 4 when you can boff an 8? Naturally, there are exceptions which prove the rule.]

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  118. dalerojo–

    You misunderstood what I was saying to Esterji when I said of course alphas can have it both ways. The two ways are screw lots of sluts and maybe even prefer that kind most of the time for cause screws and flings (less heartbreak to contend with), but do LTRs and marriage with prenup with good girls.

    However I also know alphas can do one way open if they pick the right girl, are discreet, don’t neglect her or spend too much time on it or do it too much, and so on. If she’s bi or bi curious, threesomes can definitely work, with her starting the seduction first what works best nearly always.

    If all three of these are false, then the woman is just not going to be ok with that sort of situation. That doesn’t necessarily mean she won’t forgive a transgression or two (or six), but it means that no way in cold hell is she just going to give it her general stamp of approval. Ain’t gonna happen. Even super alphas have to make tradeoffs.

    You can reassure her and make her remain loyal (assuming you’ve chosen a very loyal type to begin with) by giving her a veto over any particular girl or things going to far emotionally with any particular girl, and don’t do it that much. We’ve done/are doing threesomes too.

    As well you’ve left something out of your knowledge or thinking. That is a D/s relationship with a somewhat masochistic girl. Good jealousy, or jealousy I can make good by gentling her and reassuring her and then teasing her and taking her with hot sex, and taunting her. Then gentling again.

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  119. Clooney is without a doubt a super alpha.

    Really a super duper alpha.

    Most masculine Hollywood leading men are super alphas.

    It doesn’t mean perfect in every respect, it means super elite and able to pull women who are 10s on the regular. If he can keep 10s on the string, he’s super duper alpha.

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  120. There should be only 2 choices availiable to non virgin females: be a prostitute or a mistress.

    Well it was like this in a recent past.

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  121. dalerojo
    feomuerto:
    By the way, there are a disproportionate number of goodlooking virgins in thier 20s in the undergrad/graduate sciences. I think most of the readers of this blog are social science/lawyer types, but we have mostly goodlooking non-slutty girls in the sciences. If you’re at a university take a swing by the biosci building and you’ll see what I mean.

    What are you smoking? Yeah sure, dude, hard science chix are so much hotter than the girls who major in advertising, communications, or psych… right. What school is this again?

    I’m going to lay 10:1 odds that you are a serious asian fetishist, because otherwise this statement is just so completely wrong that I don’t even know what to say.

    Haha. 10:1 odds that you’re a history major. Good luck with that.

    and yes, I love the asian girls.

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  122. Re: Clooney — not every chick on a film crew is a Perfect Ten, obviously.

    The biggest alpha I’ve known was a natural at game – and yet his tastes were, if not completely indiscriminate, certainly mediocre-leaning. During the same month he was banging a 5.5, a 6 and and an 8.5. This leads me to believe that there’s probably something to both sides of the argument; there’s probably a synthesis waiting to be made.

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  123. on August 18, 2010 at 11:02 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Jonathon & Whiskey,

    As I had posted here before, there’s a South American tribe alive today (may be now on life support due to tribe-wide betatude) that believes in multi-paternity–that it can and does take the sperm of many men to baby make, that the fetus benefitted from repeated and diverse sperm-washing.
    In their tribe’s belief, each partial father-to-be would provide meat resources to the pregnant mom, who would reciprocate by putting out.

    This was in a dietary & environmental milieu of protein scarcity. Diet does play a large role in determining hormone status and pregnancy viability, which in turn massively influences social structure and mating habits.

    @Whiskey, FYI, not all hunter-gatherer tribes were on the edge of starvation. That characteristic is indicative of a tribe that has either exceeded the carrying capacity of their land, or allowed another tribe to encroach on its territory, causing the same end–resource degradation.

    Again, the pre-Columbian Great Plains Indians were instructive–their diet was rich, widely variegated, and enough to support stout musculature. These were not starving people, and their sexual habits indicated that, because they were monogamous in a serial way (like today’s post-feminist world.)

    On the topic of recent evo-biology books, Sex at Dawn deserves a good mention, and there are a couple of really good chapters in “The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature” by Matt Ridley.

    @Jonathon, what Roissy’s saying here is not antithetical your claim that the prehistoric gangbang-laden sexual milieu that caused the large, ridged phallus and convoluted cervix to evolve. No doubt virgin preference evolved *because* of those conditions; some ancient males recognized mating with virgins gives better paternity odds so that male child investment has a greater chance of advancing one’s genes instead of raising some other interloper’s bastard spawn. The modern post agricultural milieu simply allows for more control and greater discernment, since tribal food sharing practices diminished with the advent of the concept of private land.

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  124. @truth sucks deal with it

    My super slut detector’s needle is pinning.

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  125. In holding out for an actual virgin, especially in her 20s, I think that the risk of getting damaged goods is MUCH higher that way than choosing a low numbers girl who has a proven track record of sex craving.
    At a certain point, you have just to got to trust in your sexing/gaming skills to keep her mind from wandering too far into the past… or future. But getting married to a sex-negative freak nullifies are of those advantages. In my experience, virgins today, outside of serious churches, have something they are hiding, more than anything else.

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  126. gig

    My worst neg I ever used, “You have the cutest crows feet when you smile.”

    this is why I filter the comments here. I doubt any US girl would accept that, and I am sure that any Brazilian girl would make hell on Earth if I ever said that

    Oh that would absolutely work if said to an HB8 or 9 late 20s or early 30s girl. The thing is you have to come back quick with reassurance as she begins to react. Push pull. It’s hard push alright; it’s only for hot girls getting a bit older.

    If she gets angry, laugh at her and say something like “hahaha, gotcha. Don’t be so insecure babe. you know your’re good looking.” You’re likely to get a playful punch on the arm or something, which is of course good.

    If she looks like she might cry, say “oh come on now, you know i was kidding, right. Come here, you need a hug.” She’ll want to even if she resists cause she just met you.

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  127. I am loving the subtle EPL bashing, you are the first thing I thought of when I saw the trailers.

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  128. on August 18, 2010 at 11:45 pm Reality Check-Mate

    The lowest low I ever sank to was getting a blow-job from a tranny (she tucked well, I had no idea). When she offered to give me ass play in the throes of passion, I obliged. Let’s just say, I was ass-raped by a tranny and I’ll forever be traumatized by Asian looking trans who can pass for girls. ug

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  129. Thursday

    There are significant number of men though who actively dislike virgins. They want their women already broken in.

    And, IIRC, there are surveys going back well before the sexual revolution that premarital chastity ranked pretty low on male preferences for wives.

    So, there is considerable variation in men’s preferences here.

    I’ve made the point on this blog a hundred and twenty eight times that there is a genetic component for men’s innate desire for purity in a mate, and that this component is not universal. Roughly 40% of men have this.

    Yes, many men can not shake their preference for virgins, but many others never had one. It’s something you either feel deep down in your bones, or you don’t.

    Lot’s of us don’t.

    Personally I find girls who hold virginity to be of high value to be boring.

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  130. on August 19, 2010 at 12:09 am The Rational Male

    roissy-

    “This is why I define the alpha male as one who is good with hot women, rather than one who is looked up to by men.”

    You have one of the best blogs on the internet but I have an issue with your bastardization of the term “alpha”.

    The true definition of alpha has nothing to do with how many hot women you bang. Sexual conquest is a by-product of being the leader of a social group, which is the TRUE definition of the word alpha.

    You are whip-smart when it comes to social dynamics, but if you were a Richard Branson alpha you wouldn’t be changing the definition of the word to make yourself feel more successful in life.

    Someone had to say it.

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  131. I just recently started reading this blog and have been catching up on some old posts. I am completely new to game. My first attempts came as a freshman in college this past year (I had basically no freedom at home). I was wondering if anyone had any advice to offer about my last attempt in the spring:

    We were both drinking at a party in a frat house (I am not a member there) and she approached me while I was talking to someone else. Our conversation escalated quickly and we began making out in the taproom. I quickly took her into the dark dance area. She then lead me to another room and at this point I thought I was going to finally seal the deal, but she ended up just telling me a sob story about her ex until one of her friends came in and convinced her to leave.

    Since I got her number, I texted her the next day and it went alright. A few nights later (the last night I would go out drinking before going home for the summer) I texted her to find out if she was also out. The next morning she texted me apologizing for not texting back and explaining she had not gone out.

    We have not spoken at all this summer, and I’d like to know if I should contact her this fall when I go back or if I should wait to hear from her/hope to see her in person as a coincidence. She will be a senior this year if that makes a difference.

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  132. on August 19, 2010 at 12:14 am The Rational Male

    On ugly/fat chicks-

    I’ve done one troll and one chunky butt. The rest ranged from 6’s to 9.

    With the 7-9’s I felt a sense of pride. With the uggs I felt like I wanted to chew my arm off the next morning.

    Not saying I would never do another mud turtle, but I know the feeling to expect after. I would assume that it is similar to the feeling that women experience when a man who they were once attracted to turns into a freakish stalker.

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  133. on August 19, 2010 at 12:20 am Reality Check-Mate

    Also, avoid red-heads like the plague. They can claim their herpes is ‘freckles’. Don’t ask me now I know this.

    Brunettes will claim a ‘shaving rash’.

    Believe me, any ‘bumps’ down there should be suspect. Period.

    Blondes can’t hide the herp or genital warts.

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  134. on August 19, 2010 at 12:29 am Reality Check-Mate

    New Here,

    Never, ever text back right away.

    She wanted breathing room.

    Text her something like, “Hey, beautiful, hope all is well in you life. Just thinking of you and thought I’d drop you a note to let you know you haven’t been forgotten. Keep safe.” (Women dig that smarmy shit).

    Then, if she texts back right away…give it a few days…play it don’t display it. You got to give these dames from break-ups time to feel safe again. Then, you go in for the kill.

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  135. Dalerojo

    The only way for a girl to snag one of these guys is to put out pretty damn fast, and then to be pure awesomeness. It’s a big risk on her part, but, as with anything else in life, you can’t get the biggest returns without taking proportionally big risks. If the girl doesn’t want to take that risk, and instead wants to play virgin / good girl, the best she can hope for is what this board likes to call “higher beta” (outside of religious communities that are irrelevant to the discussion).

    While on the one hand, I don’t believe that men of a certain status share a sexual strategy – some of us prefer virgins, others don’t – I do agree that there is a male sexual dynamic that is exactly as you describe.

    I don’t want to enter into a relationship with a girl with the expectation of marriage. If I fall hard for her, fine. But that is never an assumption. And no way on hell’s green earth am I going to commit until many months of supreme sex.

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  136. @whiskey

    It’s probably true that we’ve undergone some genetic evolution in the 6,000 years since agriculture took serious hold. But it’s very difficult to separate how much of our post-agricultural behavior is genetic and how much is socialization. I think it’s still mostly the latter.

    Take jealousy, for instance. What I think is universal is the pre-agricultural tendency to get turned on and produce more sperm if you think your favorite girl is fucking someone else; this is part of sperm competition, where you subconsciously try to out-inseminate your competitor. And if you’re worried you’ll lose your favorite girl’s attention to another guy, being sad about that is universal too. But I think it takes socialization to create a guy who can’t stand the thought that his girl has ever had another guy’s dick in her. There are still plenty of guys (including me) who are only turned on by that. At any rate, Roissy’s declaration that “men, for very ancient biological reasons, prefer to marry virgins” just doesn’t hold water. The reasons are exactly as old as agriculture.

    P.S. The anthropological evidence is pretty strong that the Myth of the Starving Hunter-Gatherer is a myth. Like most social ills, famine, malnourishment, and subsistence diets only really got a solid hold with the beginning of agriculture.

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  137. A preference for the pure is genetically encoded into roughly 40 or 50% of the population. It is not universal.

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  138. Reality Check,

    Thanks for the advice. I know I broke a few rules during those couple days. I definitely sent too many texts for the number she had sent and I sent them too quickly. But my most important question is what should I do this fall when I go back to school. She was fairly attractive (at least with beer goggles on), so I feel like it would be worth my time to follow up if it is a good idea.

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  139. on August 19, 2010 at 12:57 am David Collard

    I married a virgin. I would not have married a non-virgin. She was not ‘frigid’, in fact she wanted to have sex before we married, but I kept her a virgin until our honeymoon. She had a tight, thick hymen and took a lot of deflowering. Not a pleasant experience really for either of us.

    Maybe it is just me, but I can’t understand men who marry non-virgins.

    I am a religious man, but I think I would feel the same way whatever I was. I just didn’t want a “used” woman.

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  140. on August 19, 2010 at 1:05 am Reality Check-Mate

    New here,

    Once the beer goggles are off, and you still think she is worthy of pursuit, play it casual and never desperate or give an inkling of real desire. The minute you have played into her hands, you have given up your ace card. Invite her to a party or something where she knows it won’t be a one-on-one thing (no pressure for you or her). Tell her you ‘might’ have a couple cheerleader friends tag along too (ups your value big time and makes you alpha pimp worthy, it won’t matter when you show up alone to pick her up, you’ve already implanted the seed in her mind and being cheerleader-less won’t matter by the). Make it one sweet and short text invite. She replies. You wait a day and reply back with a simple “

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  141. on August 19, 2010 at 1:12 am Reality Check-Mate

    Dave Collard,

    Had you used your dick before you used your virgin or were you a virgin too? Cause, I gotta tell ya man, she fucked every skank who fucked other cocks you fucked by proxy of your cock.. Which means, you brought a whole lot of people into the bedroom with your ‘virgin’. Know what I mean?

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  142. on August 19, 2010 at 1:28 am Reality Check-Mate

    As far as virgins are concerned. This is how I see it through the prism of my own experience:

    Ya bang her, you break her. She is yours (essentially whether you like it or not now). Then, you find out that one of the broads from all of your previous sexcapades gave you herpes but you didn’t know until your virgin broke out in sores. You get tested. Yes. You have herpes. Not good. Now you have to break the news to your virgin that you have ruined her for all other men (literally). Not pretty.

    Now, if I had banged a whore, nine times outta ten, she’d have not known who she got the herp from, I would have been in the clear. I would have got out of that scott free.

    It is ugly but the truth. Once you infect a virgin with one of the whore minions you’ve banged who banged ten thousand other cocks, well, that’s a lot of cock carousel to give to one innocent virgin.

    The guilt will kill you.

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  143. on August 19, 2010 at 1:28 am David Collard

    Reality Check-Mate

    A good and fair question. I only had sex with one other woman beforehand. She was another young man’s wife. Your point is a good one, because I think that girl had “put it about a bit” as they say.

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  144. Reality Checkmate:
    Invite her to a party or something where she knows it won’t be a one-on-one thing (no pressure for you or her).

    the problem with one-size-fits-all advice, such as this, is that one size does not fit all.

    see, there are basically two strategies for accumulating women; let’s call them “social alpha” and “antisocial alpha”. the issue with this advice is that it boxes everyone into the “social alpha” group; that’s about the worst advice that you could possibly give to a mostly antisocial introvert. and, i’m sorry, but most blogs are heavily populated by myers-briggs I’s. so this advice is going to be impracticable for those people.

    yes, game requires that you mold your personality, but it’s foolish to try to mold it directly against the grain of your inherent personality traits.

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  145. There’s a lot to be said about a woman not being interested because she’s never been with a Real Man. An Alpha male told me how one woman he was with hadn’t had a orgasm with her previous Beta boyfriend but was was highly orgasmic with him. More reason for women to avoid the Betas for sex.

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  146. on August 19, 2010 at 1:55 am Reality Check-Mate

    Dave Collard,

    One chick in your roster is almost a Virgin, so good on ya. I wish I had been as good a man as you. I learned my lesson the hard (no pun intended) way. Your bride sounds like a good woman too by the by. You are a lucky man (rare in this day and age).

    Gil,

    Hate to break it to you, but most women (and, yes I have been through a lot of women in my short lifetime) are not ‘vaginally’ orgasmic. In fact, vaginal orgasms are relatively rare without clitoral stimulation coupled with vaginal g-spot stimulation. I’ve done some two-hand one tongue shit to get the job done. I’m sure I’ve disappointed a few women in my time here on earth but I think I’ve perfected a few pretty good techniques by now that leave women breathless and beggin’. Game only goes so far, you gotta have skill in the bedroom too. Once you can bang a woman like she’s never been before, she’ll pretty much pant after you like a lovelorn kitten forever. No amount of rejection will stop her. You will have to get restraining orders. You will have to change your phone number. You may even have to move. That’s the power of the shwing working it in all its glory. Sometimes it backfires in the most spectacular (and expensive) ways.

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  147. on August 19, 2010 at 1:59 am David Collard

    To my way of thinking, being an Alpha means marrying a virgin and using her how you like. You can have plenty of fun with one woman. If you want “dominant” sex, as mentioned above, just put her over the edge of the bed, lift her skirt and fuck her from behind. A humble wife will oblige.

    If she is your Missus, she can then trot off and iron your shirts or whatever.

    That’s an Alpha in my book.

    Any man can fuck a slut sideways. But a man whose wife still bends over for him in the bedroom, and works hard in the laundry and the kitchen, is a man who is truly dominant.

    Once a woman has been fucked by another man, she is always, to some degree, his bitch.

    Some of these guys getting married these days could hold a big house party with just guests who have banged his bride.

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  149. Editor says, “PS A willingness to fuck any old ugly or fat chick who drops trou does not an alpha make.”

    No, but an extremely high sex drive comes with the territory.

    I have many male friends, very alpha male relatives, so I know all the dirty little secrets men try to keep. I’m just not very loud about it since certain truths are too ugly, even for our host.

    A guy who shags a lot of women is shagging maybe 90% fugs by the definition here, and maybe 10% hotties. He’ll shag ’em all, and some of his favorites will be fug.

    Even so, if a guy honestly feels like he’s aiming low, as opposed to getting in where he fits in, he should avoid women he feels are ugly. One good reason why aside of the emotional damage you’ll do to her and yourself is because your trash is someone else’s treasure.

    Just because the crowd around her will be thinner than around a hot chick, or one who may not be so much more hot, but is more easy, doesn’t mean that there is no crowd.

    A woman who is feminine, nurturing, and not an extreme bitch will have admirers. If she’s not to your taste, leave her to them, or you’ll have the ego destroying experience that some of my ex boyfriends do, of watching her do better than you. Better that you never know that she can do better than you, and stay in your world of assumptions and status shagging, than to get knocked back by someone you think is ugly.

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  150. on August 19, 2010 at 2:12 am Reality Check-Mate

    David Collard,

    Words of wisdom, man. Especially the bit about inviting the guys who have banged the bride to a house party. Holy crap. To be a fly on the wall. lol

    David C,

    Do you think you’ll ever grow tired of her? Cheat on her? How long ya been married? I’ve banged some hot married women. They all seem miserable. Is anyone happy in a marriage? Maybe you are and can enlighten some of us woebegone heathens.

    Maybe I’m one of those guys that has cock attention deficit disorder because being with one chick just doesn’t do it for me. I feel bad about it but if that is my nature, well, what can I do about that? Search the earth for mrs. right? Too late now for that. I played the field one too many times and got burned. Now I wear a condom but I probably have given the herp to a few chicks because of skin to skin contact. It is pretty prevalent actually so that is why I don’t feel bad about it.

    Don’t dis the sluts because they provide a free fuck to guys and don’t expect a proposal or marriage or even a long termer. They just have high sex drives like us. Some of the best women I have known in my life are sluts and whores. The cunning bitches are the hold-outs who try to use their beavers like they drip 24kt gold from their gashes. I will take an honest whore any day over a lying, gold digging bitch.

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  151. Vanilla Gorilla aka Jessie James and tatted Kat Von D, and Bombshell McGee?

    How does that fit in? Alpha? Tat fetish? Something else?

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  152. on August 19, 2010 at 2:17 am Reality Check-Mate

    I would totally bang you, Nicole. Can you cook?

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  153. on August 19, 2010 at 2:27 am Reality Check-Mate

    Whiskey,

    Vanilla Gorilla is a skank hound. It’s in his past. “Good Girl” Sandra Bullock should have seen the writing on the wall but she fell into the idiot trap of ‘change the bad boy’. Girls have tried that with me and epically failed (but, I enjoy the ride just the same).

    The tats, the porn, the skanky sleaze is a total turn on for some guys. Myself? I like the sluts who look wholesome on the outside (just my pref).

    Is Jesse James an “alpha”? Well, anyone can be a skank-hound (that’s fairly easy). Bagging Sandra made him Alpha until he beta-maxed out with his reversion back tot he skankitude. I saw a recent movie with Sandra, her body was just about as perfect as a body at that age can get. We are talking ten bod (face 7, but that’s Sandy any age). Jesse was probably feeling out-Alpha-ed by Sandra’s success and needed to re-establish his studworthiness (much to his own detriment and much to Sandra’s luck that he showed his true colors before the nuptials).

    Alpha? Beta? It’s all about the confidence and not sweating a gorgeous woman. Once you learn to picture her at 70 years old it makes it easier to approach them. lol

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  154. on August 19, 2010 at 2:28 am David Collard

    You are a colourful character, Reality Check-Mate! However I will answer your questions.

    We have been married nearly 25 years. I have never “cheated” on her, nor she on me. We are just not the types. Partly it is religion, I suppose.

    Marriage is tough, no question of it. But we have lasted.

    I am pretty much a one woman man, and I used to think I was a Beta, but I have come to see that I am actually an Alpha who only wants one woman. I have always had really traditional views on women. Even now, I catch myself all the time, thinking things like “Wow, look at the tits on that redhead!”. I am just not a sensitive new age guy! I have always been like this. I am a born male chauvinist, but I only want one woman. But I have done just about everything with her.

    I have started “gaming” her more lately too, and that works like a charm.

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  155. Reality, on the schwing thing, that was one of the indicators that helped me realize that I was a bitch on ice with a twist of lemon.

    No matter how great the sex was or how much I love a guy, I could always walk away as soon as he said it’s over. Whatever grieving I do is well out of their view, and I’ve gotten kind of streamlined after only a relative few times of being dumped in my life.

    One guy dumped me, and then wanted to talk about my feelings. I told him, “That is no longer your business.” Last words I ever said to him.

    Just how is a woman supposed to take being dumped?

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  156. Reality guy
    I’m sure I’ve disappointed a few women in my time here on earth but I think I’ve perfected a few pretty good techniques by now that leave women breathless and beggin’

    Um. This isn’t how it works, at least not with most women. With most women, provided you’re not a flailing spaz, the act itself is totally secondary to the psychological dance that’s going on underneath it. I.e. your “supreme technique” is pretty much irrelevant, unless you have the proper degree of dominance to go with it (and if you do, then, your “supreme technique” is … pretty much still irrelevant. Funny how that works)
    If you want an analogy. Imagine a hot stripper with really smooth moves. Hot, right? Now imagine a fat chick with the same moves. Even if she’s smooth, it’s still a bad joke. Creep you the fuck out.
    Same goes for some dork with your “technique”. Sorry buddy.

    There are going to be two exceptions to this, i.e. two kinds of chicks for whom “technique” is an objective reality:
    1) autistic savant chicks,
    2) hardcore sluts who have totally (or so they think, anyway) divorced sex from their personal reality. y’know, the kind who would talk randomly in public about what they would want to do with some guy, the way guys would talk about a hot woman walking by.
    So, glad to know you’re fucking either an autistic savant or a walking petri dish. G’day

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  157. Oh, and, reality guy, and everyone else… STOP telling everyone to run game by taking girls to parties. Just stop it. If someone’s problem is that they lack social skill, then this isn’t going to work. If you’re a lone wolf, then you should learn lone wolf game — this sort of advice would be like telling some Ethiopian marathon guy that he should start running sprints. It wouldn’t work past a low level.
    The great thing about girls is that you can get them in so many different ways, while you can pretty much only work a room in one way. So if someone is not the natural room worker type, then don’t try to fit a square peg into a round hole.
    “Party game” is for dudes whose strength is that they are really normal, and they excel by being so good at being normal people. If that is not you — if you’re fucking weird — then play up your weirdness, be like one of those rock stars who wears girl’s heels and shiny pants instead. But for fuck’s sake pick one.

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  158. on August 19, 2010 at 2:43 am Reality Check-Mate

    David C, I’ve lived a long life in a short time, so yeah, I’m a character of sorts. I believe you are right, you are a strong Alpha who married and found his perfect mate who pleases and adores him and you manage to change it up enough with game to keep the fires burning. I think that is ultimate game really.

    Nicole,

    How is a guy supposed to take being dumped? With women initiating most divorces, think about it, sweet brown sugar.

    Being dumped, no matter the sex is always an unpleasant experience no matter how alpha or beta. It still sucks to be on the receiving end of “Fuck you, I’ve moved on”.

    Can’t say I haven’t been on that end of the game a few times. Heart broke? Only short termers gave me the “did I miss out?” moment. The longer a relationship drags though, the more I just want to put a bullet in a gun and aim it at my head and pull the trigger.

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  159. Nicole

    If I lived next door to you I wood walk over to your place most likely on a daily basis in order to offer you a stiff dick, from time to time. …Since I live about 9 time zones away from you I an compelled to think about this a little longer. And I need to think it thru… for the sake of more precision and truth.
    Your brain still works; apparently, at least enough to produce a spark of sincere but deranged commentary on this blog. That is good.. OTOH, If you got stark naked and poured most of a bottle of warm olive oil over your abundant tits and ass and then bendt far over, you might get seriously lucky.

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  160. on August 19, 2010 at 2:48 am Reality Check-Mate

    dalerojo,

    I’m a really good looking male. I’m tall, fairly wealthy, so perhaps my game won’t work for everyone.

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  161. ….and yes, Reality. I am an excellent cook. I went natural a couple of years ago.

    I am however 40 and still technically fat, and have taken a vow not to have sex again until I’m under 65 kg.

    With my current intake and expenditure, that should take maybe another year.

    The reason why is because 140 lbs. is my real weight, meaning this is where I was before the hypothyroid and depression and crap. That is well me’s weight. Anything I do until then is not with me, but with sick me.

    It’s like if you injured something crucial to your identity and sexuality like your left testicle, and though you could have sex, anybody who had sex with you would have to be okay with the bandage on your stones. They might be benevolent and willing to do it, but then what happens when the bandages are off?

    One thing I learned from being inordinately fug is that though there are many magnanimous men who will take one for the team, the power dynamic I had to weild to keep these relationships was too much on the male side for me. I had to rely more on my personality than my looks, and I’ve come to realize that this is cute but highly unnatural.

    All I should have to do is be feminine, nurturing, supportive, and pretty. It’s not my job to be fun. That’s his male friend’s job, and I’ve grown rather tired of being every boyfriend’s male friend with a vagina.

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  162. on August 19, 2010 at 2:51 am Reality Check-Mate

    Rum, I want to see Nicole’s naked pics too. Maybe we two heathens can convince that luscious lady to divulge her beautiful flesh for our lustful desires to feast on?

    I’d like to give that beautiful brown flesh some white snake meat.

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  163. on August 19, 2010 at 2:53 am David Collard

    Yes, technique is overrated. Just fuck her. Frankly, who cares what she feels and thinks? She probably doesn’t know herself. If my wife complains about sex, I just tell her I don’t care if she is bored by it or she dislikes it.

    If she wants affection, she gives me sex. So I get sex.

    The last research I heard on the female orgasm, that unicorn of human behaviour, was that it was largely genetic whether a woman has them or not from vaginal sex. Technique probably won’t make much difference.

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  164. One of the problems that I have with sluts is their consistently dumb choices, as per:
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/chicks-dig-jerks-game-is-its-own-status/

    As I’ve commented before, female sexuality provides women with the capacity to get off on a limping, acned, oozing, hunchback midget with attitude (understandable from the perspective of violation), while no amount of sweetness and light from a fugly can do it for most men (bottom-feeders excepted).

    I judge women not only by the company they keep, but more specifically by the company that they get banged by, and nine times out of ten, it ain’t pretty. A fuck-buddy of my enemy can be no fuck-buddy of mine.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s no escaping this. Women just don’t understand men, and all-too-often they choose losers (thugs) on the misguided belief that this is what a “real man” is. While a woman saving herself is no guarantee against her making a dumb choice, a slut carries baggage that I would never want to have anything to do with, much less marry into. For me it’s become a gut reaction, a retching reflex – one requiring scuba gear before I can contemplate immersing myself into the depths of a petri-vag. I’d rather not bother.

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  165. Doug:
    D/s really dominant sex that makes her utterly submissive. Yes that involves changing things and fucking in alleys of busy streets in an upscale or bohemian part of the city, and screwing her in the ocean and on a train and so on and so forth. Of course lots of positions. But just taking her by bending her over the kitchen table, yanking down her panties and flipping up her dress over her hips, white pulling her tits out and over it as well.

    David Collardgreens:
    If you want “dominant” sex, as mentioned above, just put her over the edge of the bed, lift her skirt and fuck her from behind.

    Yawn. Not to be snarky, but, I don’t see any actual examples of actually “dominant” sex in either of these examples.

    I know both of you guys are over fifty. So, I’ve just decided that, if that is what your generation considers “dominant” sex, then daaaammmmnnnnn am I glad I grew up in the age of the slutty, slutty pornowannabe feminist sluts that ya’ll hate so much.

    Oh, and, speaking of:
    If you ever get around to having actual “dominant” sex with a woman, her previous sluttiness just won’t matter as much. It just won’t. Because it will be tiddlywinks by comparison. It’ll bother you about as much as the fact that she kissed some boy in the sandbox when she was seven.
    Word.

    By the way, Gig is right, and, therefore, the people who are arguing with Gig are wrong.

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  166. on August 19, 2010 at 3:01 am Reality Check-Mate

    You give her clitoral orgasms even if your tongue is in a sling and believe me, you got your technique.

    Where did that hot mama Nicole go?

    Did Rum and I scare her off?

    Off-topic, but, Rum are you Whiskey’s relative?

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  167. reality
    dalerojo, I’m a really good looking male.

    Any guy who describes himself as “a male”, noun (not as “male”, adj., which is normal) are, almost without fail, androgynous fags who feel weird about calling themselves “man”. (Or, on the internet, some of you are actually women.) I know your type all too well, from spending twenty minutes in corporate America.
    “Guy,” “dude,” “male,” yep. I bet you’d feel weird even typing “man.”
    Try it sometime.

    I’m tall, fairly wealthy, so perhaps my game won’t work for everyone.

    What the fuck does this have to do with my point, about social skill?
    If you rely on height and wealth, just admit that you don’t actually have game. It’s OK to admit. In fact, it’s even OK for you “males” to cry.
    Good evening to you.

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  168. You are wrong on 2 counts;

    1. There ARE plenty of (non-religious) virgin women out here ages 20-25. I know because I’m one of them and am friends with several.

    We are the “not hot” girls. We are not ugly, but we are shy, geeky, awkward, weird and not into spending a whole lot of our time and especially money, being or looking fake.

    2. We are NOT available to the “alphas” for 2 reasons;

    a. We are not into fake guys who have drunk the American mainstream kool aid, and

    b. Even if we were into them, they are not into us

    What does all this mean?

    It means that we are available to guys who are similar to us – geeky, nerdy, awkward shy guys.

    So how come you guys out there aren’t approaching us?

    Shyness is not an excuse for a guy! You could write a note or something…..

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  169. dalerojo/Doug,

    D/s really dominant sex that makes her utterly submissive. Yes that involves changing things and fucking in alleys of busy streets in an upscale or bohemian part of the city, and screwing her in the ocean and on a train and so on and so forth. Of course lots of positions. But just taking her by bending her over the kitchen table, yanking down her panties and flipping up her dress over her hips, white pulling her tits out and over it as well.

    Yawn. Not to be snarky, but, I don’t see any actual examples of actually “dominant” sex in either of these examples.

    I agree. I’d like to see the board come up with some examples of dominant sex.

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  170. on August 19, 2010 at 3:10 am David Collard

    Dalerojo

    I may have been trying to keep it a bit nice, if you know what I mean.

    I have been with the same woman for twenty-five years. Plenty of time to do lots of stuff. And repent!

    Yes, vaginal sex from behind is not particularly dominant, but there may have been more …

    The fact is that my wife has a streak of the submissive in her.

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  171. One positive evolution of this blog is that when the editor needs to reference factual sources, he often quotes himself.

    And I concur.

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  172. on August 19, 2010 at 3:13 am David Collard

    Yes, Virgin, there are lots of you girls. I knew several when I was a young bloke. They were intelligent, pretty, mostly religious (one was an atheist), with good self-respect.

    It is a myth that there are no virgins left. They have been saying this for decades, but it isn’t true.

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  173. on August 19, 2010 at 3:14 am Reality Check-Mate

    I’m still undecided about taking a dildo up the azz. My current fling wants to give me the purple penetrator treatment and I am not sure I am ready to go there. She says it will milk my prostate and send me to the moon. I’m just not sure I am ready for a moon landing. lol

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  174. on August 19, 2010 at 3:18 am David Collard

    Reality Check-Mate

    The chick is the one that takes it up the whatever.

    Important tip.

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  175. “The last research I heard on the female orgasm, that unicorn of human behaviour, was that it was largely genetic whether a woman has them or not from vaginal sex. Technique probably won’t make much difference.”

    I think all women experience orgasm from masterbation.

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  176. on August 19, 2010 at 3:24 am David Collard

    Yes, VIRGIN, no doubt, but you will notice I wrote “vaginal sex”.

    That said, I did once see a National Lampoon spoof of Cosmo with an article title: “Do you fake orgasm during masturbation?”

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  177. David C
    I have been with the same woman for twenty-five years. Plenty of time to do lots of stuff. And repent!

    Yes, vaginal sex from behind is not particularly dominant, but there may have been more …

    David, I’m with Esteri on this one, I actually want to hear specific examples, because I think that you are totally (accidentally) going to prove my point.
    Specifically, I think you’re going to come up with examples that are super-mild by the standards of today’s alphas. Thereby proving my point, that the types of guys who do (and should) pursue virgins are exactly the types of guys with really low sexual standards. The type for whom sex from behind (or whatever example you’re going to come up with) counts as awesome adventurous dominant dominance.

    Unless you floor us with your shocking depravity, you bad choirboy you, I will take this exchange as proof of the fact that virgins are for betas.

    Since the internet transmits subtext about as well as an autistic savant, let me declare that I am not hating on you at all here. I think it’s awesome that you are still fulfilled after so long.

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  178. on August 19, 2010 at 3:32 am Reality Check-Mate

    I found out I am gay anyway. Once I came out of the closet, I realized all of my gaming was just a symptom of hatred of women because I was really wanting the cocka. It felt good to come out and finally embrace my true being as a gay man who loves the cocka (pronounced ‘caca’). Shit, man. It’s all good once you fuck a man in his face, ass and cum all over his bum. Nothing says love like man on man. Most players are gay, that much I know. I have known a lot of puas and they all want it up the ass, love getting sucked by a guy and giving it too. It is just a matter of time before you realize you are one gay ass mofo and you deal with it and stop hating on women and loving on men. Drinking jizz should be an experience all men have. Nothing like it. A few hairy ass hairs in my mouth after some good azzhole licking while my man sucks my cock is about as good as it gets. Once you stop needing women, you stop hating them. It rocks man.

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  179. on August 19, 2010 at 3:36 am David Collard

    Thank you, dalerojo.

    But I would rather not say. I said all this stuff when I was on the blog run by a woman who went by a number of monikers (Cecilia, Alte, etc.) I don’t want to repeat myself. Her blog is now defunct, so if you missed it, you missed it.

    Since I suspect that you are really only looking for wank-fodder, I shall turn the question around on you. You tell me something you regard as really dominant, and I’ll tell you if I have done it.

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  180. Regarding this dominant/submissive stuff.

    Much of the hardcore BDSM porn style sex is in fact homoerotic gay male sex but performed between men and women.

    That ordinary, non-porn-star women are expected to participate in it is totally unnatural and against what most normal, healthy, heterosexual women get turned on by.

    It’s really hardcore gay male sex that has now been superimposed upon women.

    Men who want that type of sex – anal, ejaculating on faces, clams, whips, chains, etc, should really seek out other men.

    Hardcore gay porn has become mainstream heterosexual sex. That’s how we know we are a completely lost generation.

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  181. Nicole: You recovered from your unintelligible ungrammatical nonsense, but you are simply wrong:

    An alpha has a scheduling and recharge problem. You don’t think he can carry just two 6’s in his whole life who will come over for sex instead of the 4?

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  182. on August 19, 2010 at 3:46 am David Collard

    VIRGIN

    “clams”

    What are “clams”?

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  183. on August 19, 2010 at 3:48 am Reality Check-Mate

    Don’t even get me started about dating women with eating disorders. Ate me out of house and home and then the plumber comes to fix my toilet because vomit is gushing out of that thing like a geyser.

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  184. on August 19, 2010 at 3:52 am Reality Check-Mate

    All porn is essentially gay. You are watching another man’s dick do things and you are liking it and you don’t want to see a small dick, you want to see a big dick do those things. GAY.

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  185. David
    Since I suspect that you are really only looking for wank-fodder, I shall turn the question around on you.

    I’ll give you points for this turnaround. Beer on me, if you ever get out of Van Diemen’s land and come to America.
    Although the suggestion that this might actually be wank fodder actually makes my point. Hell, this wouldn’t even be wank fodder for my twelve-year-old half brother, what with all the free porn online.

    In any case, ok. Dominant would start with giving my wife a toothbrush and kneepads and telling her to spit-shine the floor. Then fucking her in the mouth until she gags and drools onto the newly cleaned spot, rubbing it in with my boot heel, and then making her lick it all up, after which she had better kiss every inch of my boots while I take off my belt and whip her raw. If she forgets to say Thank You for even one lash, it’s back to the start of the process for her, this time without the kneepads, and with the video camera rolling.
    That’s one example, out of hundreds. Actually, just the start of one example.
    I think I have some wifey pussy to fuck now. G’night

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  186. David Collard, VIRGIN, Doug,

    I’m a girl, just to get that out of the way.

    I love dominant/submissive sex. I fucking love it.

    I love being tied up, whipped, spanked, slapped, spit on, stepped on, blindfolded, and being made to beg and plead and cry and kiss my guy’s feet.

    I love being yelled at, humiliated, degraded, hurt. Mmmhmm.

    Being taken from behind, though, or being fucked in an alley? Eh. I think that kind of mad kinkiness happened the first week we started sleeping together.

    As for Doug’s other women masochism thing…something there doesn’t ring right. I’m very masochistic but that kind of jealousy-inducing is exactly the opposite of what makes a good D/s relationship. It’s the knowledge that I am emotionally safe and protected (read: that I will not have to contend with such jealousy) that allows me to be so sexually submissive with him. Were he playing around, I’d be much more territorial and worried about his potentially finding a replacement me — I’d also have to be much more controlling and aware of his outside dalliances — and so I wouldn’t be able to give myself to him the way that I do.

    Oh, right, and also I would cheat, but that’s just me.

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  187. dalerojo and Esteri proved my point.

    It’s perverted gay male sex. No healthy, self-respecting, heterosexual woman would be into any of that. Key operative words here being “healthy” and “self-respecting”.

    Issues, much?

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  188. on August 19, 2010 at 4:02 am Reality Check-Mate

    I am not a fan of anal sex but the only anal that ever turned me on was when I forced it on a guy who was in the jail cell with me. He puckered his anus up so tight and he was so afraid of me that the smell of his fear and his tight ass taking my man meat in was explosive.

    There is nothing hotter than taking a man by force and ramming past his pain and pleasure point. Then, I become a gentlemen once he relaxes his ass and I grab his nuts with one hand and his cock with the other hand and I ram myself up hard in him while I stroke him and fondle his nuts and he cums like a virgin.

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  189. Reality, I have a comment stuck in moderation that is crucial. So are you really Gay/bi or just being sarcastic?

    If you’re bi, I can understand why you’d find me shaggable. I tend to attract the orientationally flexible for reasons I mentioned in the moderated post.

    It’s the reason I keep getting dumped. With the combined size, strength, relative dominance, and overall coolness, I keep ending up being the boyfriend’s boifriend. They don’t feel protective of me because I don’t show any vulnerability, and then they inevitably dump me because I feel more like a fuckbuddy than a girlfriend, so they don’t think they can break my heart.

    This is why when they come back, they think it was all good, and they’re surprised that I was hurt.

    So I am learning to be less of a bitch, but it’s a tough balance between girly and desperate.

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  190. “Oh, right, and also I would cheat, but that’s just me.”

    You can’t “cheat” on an already cheating partner. When a partner cheats all he or she is doing is inviting the other partner to an open, polyamorous relationship.

    Either you go poly or leave.

    Simple as that.

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  191. VIRGIN: Most women like domination, it fits evolutionarily, and you supposedly lack all personal experience.

    True, though, no healthy self-respecting person would submit to these things, but that’s rather the whole point: Girls today, or perhaps all time, clearly demonstrate by their own actions that they are not dignified rational agents.

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  192. on August 19, 2010 at 4:12 am Reality Check-Mate

    Yes, Nicole. I’m a switch-hitter.

    Why you feel it is a necessity to constantly mention your low self-worth is perplexing.

    Are you into torturing yourself on a place like this? You have a high intellect but seem to be lacking in genuine self esteem.

    I bet you are buttery, soft and decadent to the feel. There is nothing wrong with being you. Can you strive to be better? Sure. Can’t we all?

    As a man, I have had to face a lot of ugly truths about myself, but, I still know I’m the shit because I just am. I don’t need anyone telling me otherwise. You need to buck up, girl and raise your head high. Men like me won’t raise your chin high for you. That doesn’t mean you have to be a bitch, that just means you have pride in self.

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  193. Hell, the appeal of abandoning yourself to a superior is reasonable and could even be universal. However, I have never experienced this, because no one is superior to me.

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  194. Dude, it’s a matter of distribution. 10’s are extremely rare, especially the lower you go down the socioeconomic ladder. Get around to middle and lower middle class, and most girls are kinda busted by 19 already.

    So between 18 and 30, you’ve got women who are making the best of major flaws like being fat, butterfaced, manjawed, manhanded, shaped kinda wrong, etc. Very few 10’s to go around, and most of them are going to be mercenary. No matter how alpha a guy is, a hoe isn’t putting out, at least not consistently, unless she’s getting paid.

    …and women anywhere from 7-10 can be successful mercenary hoes. Even some who age out might not score a rich alpha, but can easily get a rich beta.

    So the non rich alpha, if he feels like he needs to get laid consistently, is juggling a few women of varying ratings. A great many of them, once they realize that not all that glitters is gold, have a soft spot for someone others would class as ugly.

    The ugly girl works harder, and there is nothing a dominant guy likes more than being served. A woman can be pretty as she wants to be, but if she isn’t nurturing, then she is not going to be around long, or will have to make drama to keep her position. Ugly girls come with less drama…usually.

    Now, this is not an enviable position for some women. The ugly girl never gets to be arm candy, and doesn’t get the social validation a hotter girl would get, but in the reality sphere, some girls learn to be okay with that. If that’s the best they’re going to do, then as I say, “I’d rather be the bitch of a man than the queen of a punk.”

    Anyway, being naturally submissive is like being a slut. If you’ve heard that comedy routine where the guy explains why women like sluts and why a nice girl can’t really pretend to be full on…

    When a nice girl is giving her boyfriend anal, she’s thinking to herself, “I do hope he’s enjoying his birthday.”

    When a slut is getting anal, she’s thinking, “You know what would be great? TWO cocks in my ass!”

    A nice girl has sex because she loves her man and wants to please him. A slut has sex because she can’t go another second without a dick in her.

    I’m paraphrasing, but you get the point.

    A really intense, naturally dominant guy can feel a woman breaking under him. A naturally submissive woman (or woman who is naturally submissive relative to himself) is his toy he can play with at will. He never gets tired of it for the same reason most guys never get tired of sex in general.

    Some things that are currently considered “hot” are actually masculine. A natural guy who is not following the mainstream is going to have an old school scale of beauty that might not match up to the trends. He can take 30 lbs. of extra weight if it’s hourglass shaped, or manage with a big nose because she’s ethnic, or deal with some dark skin or small boobs, or a few wrinkles, to get what he wants from a woman.

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  195. on August 19, 2010 at 4:30 am Reality Check-Mate

    No, I am the most superior male. Sniff my butt lower rung betas.

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  196. on August 19, 2010 at 4:56 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””on August 18, 2010 at 10:17 pm Reality Check-Mate
    Back to the unfortunate virgin experience.

    I’m a free man as of 05/10/10

    Yeah, that’s how long that crazy bitch hung onto me. The parents, the uncles, the aunts, her friends and everyone in between kept pressuring us about the proposal that was never to come.

    Oddly, what broke it off was when her Aunt witnessed me walking out of my apartment kissing one of my side-dishes. It got pretty ugly but I was glad the charade was finally over.

    Also, I’d add that I would avoid ‘shy babes’ like the plague. Almost every shy hottie I ever got intimate with had some freakish shit going on. One I met in a book store, I gamed her and once we got back to her place and started to get our freak on, it turns out she has a third nipple. The bone totally nose-dived after that “crying game” shit. I won’t expound on the others but, jeezus, don’t bang the shy ones because they are shy for a reason. On top of it, you feel like a royal asshole for getting that girl to open up and trust you with something she is totally embarrassed and protective about. It’s like walking into napalm pussy. You do not want to go there because you end up having to chew your own limb off to get the hell out.
    ””””””””””’

    Oh shit that was funny or the bitch will be hot as fuck but have a 5th toe and shit.

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  197. Alphas only care about virginity less because they care about relationships less. Period. They cheat. They don’t get married. And most importantly they don’t fall in love(anymore).

    It’s a fallacy to suggest that Alphas aren’t competitive or insecure. An alpha is just a dude thats smashing life too hard to give a shit about one particular woman. Otherwise he is remarkably similar to any other man. Bare in mind that while there are certain alpha qualities, alpha/beta etc is just a ranking of men, they are ALL still just men and even some of the most natural alphas can find themself in the beta position in the wrong time and place. Competitiveness is not a beta trait, neither is insecurity, in fact it usually requires a healthy dose of both to inspire any kind of real success and achievement in a man.

    I know a guy with up to 100 million of dodgy cash buried away some where. He had to be pretty alpha to get that money and now that hes got it This dude is always smiling. You think he cares if you fuck his girl? he’d probably just watch and laugh maybe even get aroused like hes watching a porno but you think he’d be mad or devastated? Nope i can assure you this guy is ALWAYS laughing. But anyways good luck finding a solid gf of his to cheat with, he has a new one every week….

    This dude is so obviously an alpha now. But clearly something motivated him to stick it to the world and go out and get his in the ruthless fashion he did.

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  198. Whoa, Rum. Thanks for the compliment.

    Reality, I don’t have particularly low self worth. I just understand that my opinion of myself doesn’t have anything to do with others’ opinion of me. I learned fairly early in life that most people are fatally socially dependent, and I’ve always been on the lower end of the social hierarchy for some reason or another.

    When I was younger, it was because I’m Black and looked relatively small, and not interested in fighting to be the top bitch in high school. When I was older, it’s because I’m Black and fat. Someone has always had something bad to say about something about me that I had little or no control of, so I got used to the idea that humans are fucked.

    So I strive to be top of the food chain even though I’ll never be top social value. If I am more visibly frightening, weak people will leave me alone, and strong people will be able to see on sight that I am not a soy grazing sheep.

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  199. To an extent prefering virginity can be an alpha trait.

    But lets suppose that Alphas don’t seek long term relationships or marriage at all. Remember that Alpha is a RANK, not an innate quality or ability. It can be lost quite easily in theory.

    So we have Betas seeking long term arrangements. Who is more beta the guys who accepts sluttiness or the guy who wants virginity?

    Easy, the guy seeking virginity is screening out a very large number of women and still expecting to find someone, rather than supplicating and sharing his time and money with any old dirty sluts.

    In much the same way a guy who only bangs 8+ lookers is narrowing his field to high quality(looking) women is more alpha, a relationship seeking beta is less beta the more requirements he places on his target woman.

    Given that a man is already beta for seeking a relationship, he is clearly less beta for having strong preferences and convictions with regard to the kind of woman he wants.

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  200. on August 19, 2010 at 6:09 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””on August 18, 2010 at 10:32 pm gig
    Gig you’re better than this sophistry.

    Obviously. But you ignore how much fame can shield someone from ugliness.

    Clearly, the Presidents of Nigeria and yemen are surrounded by much more ugliness than carpenters in Kiev
    ”””””’
    lol gig I can pretty much let any chick suck my dick but to actually get me to do some work too the bitch has to cross a certain threshhold. Either she has to have some serious personallity going on if she is ugly or she got to be offering some shit.
    lol ok I did fuck a 400 pounder but I blame that one on stephen king. Yea I wanted to try it once but I haven’t fucked one since.

    My woman still laughs about some old bitch I let suck me dick because yea ok sometimes you just want to be kind and make a bitch happy and she does the umph ummph re-enactment when the bitch wanted me to suck on her tit and fuck me and I was like noooo.

    When I was in states and pickings where slim as fuck and the chicks were just fucking ugly except if they had boyfriends already rather than fucking work my ass of I just went to strip clubs and fucked hotties.

    You can surround yourself with hotness even not being famous he he he

    ””””””If he can keep 10s on the string, he’s super duper alpha.
    ”””””
    Apparently an almost 10 has been on my string for the last few years since she met me and I didn’t know she put herself in my rotation. The type of bitch that tells your woman that she is gonna marry her husband one day. Pure confidense. Course she will still have to earn a spot in the rotation.

    ”””””The Rational Male
    On ugly/fat chicks-

    I’ve done one troll and one chunky butt. The rest ranged from 6′s to 9.

    With the 7-9′s I felt a sense of pride. With the uggs I felt like I wanted to chew my arm off the next morning.

    ””””””
    lol exactly it makes you feel like shit it makes them love you.
    Its a sick world.

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  201. on August 19, 2010 at 6:16 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’I know a guy with up to 100 million of dodgy cash buried away some where. He had to be pretty alpha to get that money and now that hes got it This dude is always smiling. You think he cares if you fuck his girl? he’d probably just watch and laugh maybe even get aroused like hes watching a porno but you think he’d be mad or devastated? Nope i can assure you this guy is ALWAYS laughing. But anyways good luck finding a solid gf of his to cheat with, he has a new one every week….

    This dude is so obviously an alpha now. But clearly something motivated him to stick it to the world and go out and get his in the ruthless fashion he did.

    ”””””

    It is a little scary to contemplate how I could be and turn into a degenerative fuck once I hit where I want to be but I think I will channel it ok into empire building.
    Considering I could be that now and I am holding back some he he he

    That is why just acting like the guy who does have a billion in the bank and the ability to do anything he wants is what gets a bitch hot.
    You mimic the fucking superathlete dude.
    You think he got to work to get a bitch to fuck him.
    You think he wonders whether a chick wants to fuck him.
    He knows they all want to fuck him.
    Just like I know every bitch on the planet wants to be mine lol
    But it is just a matter of logistics.

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  202. on August 19, 2010 at 6:19 am David Collard

    VIRGIN

    Be careful. Women WILL do some very weird things to please an “Alpha”.

    There is a normal phase in courtship when a woman is very submissive and the man assertive. It is part of pair-bonding I suppose.

    As for virgins, and this comment is general, not directed at you VIRGIN specifically, I just never wanted to marry a girl who was not a virgin.

    Behaving decently is important to me. I try to be a Catholic gentleman, but that does not mean I am stupid about women. I get what I want from my wife. She gives me everything I need.

    I don’t find women very interesting in general, and they are a lot of trouble. I can’t imagine wasting my time chasing skirt. They are all basically the same model physically. I just chose one that pushed my buttons.

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  203. So we have Betas seeking long term arrangements. Who is more beta the guys who accepts sluttiness or the guy who wants virginity?

    Way to ask the question in a non-biased way (“accept”). Good jorb.
    It’s nice that you’re thinking about this stuff, but it’s also clear that all you’re doing is … thinking about this stuff. Go out and meet some people.

    For instance, Kim Kardashian is pretty slutty. Her sex tape made her seem even more slutty. Problem of the week, who would be more put off by the sex tape: (a) alphas, (b) betas?
    Hint. The answer is not (a).

    Given that a man is already beta for seeking a relationship, he is clearly less beta for having strong preferences and convictions with regard to the kind of woman he wants.

    If you take this line of argument to its logical conclusion, you can say the same about a man who will settle for nothing less than, say, a fat girl who will piss on his face. After taking lots of vitamin pills for extra smelly yellow goodness. See?

    Sorry, dude, insisting on virginity is beta. Beta! Fact.
    But a lot of guys here, including you, fail to realize that Beta — as in “guy who prefers to commit” — is NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING, if you are a beta but not also a hopeless wimpy sackless loser.

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  204. on August 19, 2010 at 6:38 am Max from Australia

    Hey Come on Guys I need some advice

    ADVICE OF THE ROISSY SPHERE PLEASE

    I am 40 currently considering leaving my fat 43 yo wife for a 31 yo virgin ( so she tells me ) that I am fooling around with…..

    Is it worth it? has anyone on here sucessfully pulled off such a move?

    do I pull off an effective trade in and get a 12 year age improvement???? afterall shagging a 40+ woman is a farce, no fun at all.

    Please can I have your views??

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  205. on August 19, 2010 at 6:51 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on August 19, 2010 at 6:19 am David Collard
    VIRGIN

    Be careful. Women WILL do some very weird things to please an “Alpha”.
    ”””””’

    Woman really are pretty much not human lol

    They will do anything.

    There is no line.

    Why being a man is good you actually have a line to not cross. What keeps us seperate from animals.

    Woman are the same as animals.

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  206. “For instance, Kim Kardashian is pretty slutty. Her sex tape made her seem even more slutty. Problem of the week, who would be more put off by the sex tape: (a) alphas, (b) betas?
    Hint. The answer is not (a).”

    To be honest i don’t think anyone would be put off. she looks how she looks and i want to bang her irrespective. A relationship on the other hand. Bare in mind it remains to be seen what happens to kim in the future. I believe she is single at the moment….

    A relationship on the otherhand, sure thing it’d bother me, shes been in a sex tape thats been broadcast all over the internet for fucks sake. Character is important to us you know. As much as many women would like us only to care about how they look. You seem to be concluding that any man who has any requirements of his woman other than being as hot looking as possible and sexy is beta….

    So What you are stating is self defeating and circular. You have no point. If all a man cared about was looks and sexual peformance he would always stay single or use prostitutes or only ever be happy with the hottest girl on earth. The fact he is seeking a relationship with a real woman shows he sees more in a woman than sexuality, it’s then up to him to judge whatever he wants from her. It is the value placed on the woman that is beta, it could be on her virginity, on the way she looks, on her personality, on her sweetness. Alphas don’t care about virginity because they know they’ll be banging a different woman next week/month. They don’t value virginity because they don’t value the woman, simple really. But thats not a relationship in my book.

    “If you take this line of argument to its logical conclusion, you can say the same about a man who will settle for nothing less than, say, a fat girl who will piss on his face. After taking lots of vitamin pills for extra smelly yellow goodness. See?”

    Yes, he can still be an alpha or “less beta” in this case. A wierdo and a freak, but an alpha. Alpha is just a ranking of men. To say that only betas desire virgins is to ignore the fact that most men are actually very similar, they just have different options or capablities at each end of the ranking and depending on experience. Many alphas care just as much about virginity, it’s just not relevant to them because they don’t need a relationship at the top. Alpha is not a sexual preference, innate ability or quality. A dominant enough gay man could be an alpha.

    Alpha is absolute. Alpha is POWER. Are you really suggesting that no men with desire for virgins can be alphas? Most kings, sultans and emperors would dissagree with you. And the human race more than any other.

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  207. on August 19, 2010 at 6:57 am Gunslingergregi

    Or maybe it is good.

    Men have no line they will not cross to protect their woman.

    Woman have no line they will not cross to please their man.

    Yea ok I could see how that could evolve somewhat.

    Then if the man fails the woman is gonna have to be the same way for the new man while the old man never had to see it because he is dead.

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  208. saying a man is beta for prefering virgins is like saying a dominant male Lion is a beta for killing other males cubs.

    Such an insecure Lion king!!!

    as a man in a kingdom where you cannot control and rule females and offspring through force you must judge them on their own merit. In many cases this means judging on sexual history.

    If a man can’t control a woman directly, then he may want to see signs that she can control herself. Simple. Desire for control and power is a male trait not beta ones. The Alphas are just the males with the most control and power.

    A woman with many past partners is a woman with many pregnancies/children, or even worse a deadwoman. Either way pretty useless to a man long term. A mans hindbrain will not ignore this association between promiscuity and unreliablity. A woman who has had sex with many men that are now long gone is a failure and a bastardizer of her phantom children. Pills and abortions don’t change this one bit.

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  209. on August 19, 2010 at 7:47 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””’on August 19, 2010 at 4:12 am Dude Man
    VIRGIN: Most women like domination, it fits evolutionarily, and you supposedly lack all personal experience.

    True, though, no healthy self-respecting person would submit to these things, but that’s rather the whole point: Girls today, or perhaps all time, clearly demonstrate by their own actions that they are not dignified rational agents.
    ””””””
    Word.

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  210. on August 19, 2010 at 8:23 am David Collard

    What is truly Beta is accepting another man’s leavings. Any woman who has been fucked by another man is used goods. Maybe that is not a problem if you are not interested in marriage, but I would not tie myself to a woman who had been used by another man.

    Why did the hymen evolve? Perhaps to signal the following positive things about a woman: youth; not pregnant already; not pair-bonded already.

    On extremes of submission in women. I have seen these myself. If a woman wants a man enough, she will do some very strange things. I suspect a lot of feminists know this; may have done such things themselves; and react against them with shame, revulsion and denial.

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  211. I’ve been keeping an eye on these posts about virginity because I am a 20 year old female virgin myself and i have to admit… this has been the thoughest time of my life.

    I have to clarify that I am from a North-Eastern European country so I am not that familiar with American way of life but it fucking sucks cock being a virgin (pun intended) in here.

    I am still a virgin because sex to me is something so intimate and personal I could never have any sexual relations with a man i am not madly in love with. And now comes the part that sucks. Even though I am a virgin I have quite high sex drive, depending on a day i have to masturbate 4-7 times. I own a vibrator, but I still have my hymen intact so I am not very keen on the idea shoving it up there.

    Fortunatelly I have some hot girlfriends who i am attracted to, so sometimes i can get relief from there. But believe me it so SO MOTHERFUCKING FRUSTRATING not to be able to have sex w/rand men.

    My life would be much easier if i was a slut.

    /no sarcasm

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  212. David, that’s nice, but not really practical except in cultures wherein people marry young, teenage girls’ relationships are taken deadly serious, and guys don’t demand to be able to pump and dump their way through life.

    Like with weight loss, people tend to approach these things in terms of what they want right this minute, and don’t think long term or in terms of recovery. American culture has been screwed for a few decades now, and it’s going to take some time to recover.

    I think that for the meantime, aware women who lost their virginity already, but understand they did it from following the wrong herd, should think more in terms of benevolent sluttery than resign themselves to skankitude. Part of the recovery is going to involve the marriage strike, and I think it’s a good thing for women to opt out of placing men in legal slavery. Premarital sex should hold no stigma until marriage is no longer a legal sham.

    Women should accept what type they are, and those who would rather have the money than the man should work as prostitutes regardless of the law. Men who want casual sex should choose one of these kinds of women, or a truly non committal slut one could perhaps call a sentimental courtesan or love nurse or something. I don’t know. I’m brainstorming here.

    Wifely type women should simply not have sex outside of a committed relationship. It doesn’t have to be cohabitation, but this type of women should accept that they actually need the social validation and/or accountability factor. One could call them “vanilla subs” or something.

    Either way, some kind of system is going to have to be made parallel to the current legal system because it’s screwed right now. I think my ideas would allow for both order and reform without rendering an entire generation worthless on the basis of a technicality.

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  213. …and we should have bracelets or something. Ellegua is an African Orisha who could be very symbolic of anti misandry. His colors are white and black or red and black. Hoes could wear red and black bracelets and wifely types could wear white and black ones. Those not into commitment but not into the money either could wear red, white, and black.

    That way, when you met someone, you’d know what the deal was without having to discuss it explicitly.

    Again, brainstorming. I’m sure some women would still lie.

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  214. Oh hai David! Long time no see.

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  215. The real biology underlying these observations is the human male’s preference for young, fertile girls between the ages of 15 and 25 (depending on age of sexual maturity). Roissy misses the mark on this one. He’s taking evolutionary biology/behaviorism too far. While natural selection certainly has effected humans from the neck up, it cannot select to this level of specificity. While empirical evidence would be difficult to acquire to investigate this claim, it is revealing that no other primate (or other animal species that I am aware of) shows any interest in the virginity of a female mate.

    For CR to be correct, this virginity preference would have to be something that evolved in humans in the last 50,000 – 100,000 years. I agree with CR that many of our behavioral predispositions have been selected through time, including general intelligence and verbal ability. But I can’t think of any other example of such a specified behavior or preference towards the sexual status of a particular mate.

    I think CR’s observations are valid, he’s just assigning them to the wrong phenomenon. The true cause behind these observations is that human males like young, fertile girls. That men like perky breasts, light hair, all the features of youth is not inconsistent with men liking virgins. And this IS consistent with observations in nature, and is a general enough of a preference that can be naturally selected through time and predecessor species. The human male’s preference to young fertile girls (age 15-25) is highly correlative with women’s fashion choices (bras, lipstick, makeup, blond highlights…all indicative of young age). There is really no similar evidence that supports CR’s virgin preference theory. If such a preference exists, its a social construction, not hardwired biology, and the social norm is entirely consistent with the biological preference for youthful, fertile girls.

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  216. “This wouldn’t be a concern if marriage adhered to the traditional notion of indentured servitude exchanged for sexual access, and men could tap that ass whenever the mood hit them, but in today’s radically feminized society, a man must have consent even with his wife.”

    I would like someone to explain to me how this would not constitute rape.

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  217. i think the theory is that by marrying a man you have given lifetime implied consent to sex. marital rape was coined to remove from women the notion that sex was a wifely duty OWED to a husband.

    remember, rape is a specific intent crime, the man musy have INTENDED to RAPE–if in fact a man genuinely believed he had a right to sex from his wife and that her existence as his wife constituted consent he really couldn’t have been said to have the requisite “mens rea” for full on rape–maybe assault and battery at worst. thats why feminists had to redefine rape, and always have to, in order to thwart male sexuality at every turn and empower women through the legal system

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  218. In reviewing the thread, its obvious how those infected with religious irrationality are much more likely to support this virgin-preference theory with emotional zeal. I suspect many of them are catholic.

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  219. dana, I don’t think that legal analysis would hold up. The only way I could see it possibly holding up would be if the husband was completely unaware that having sex with a wife without her consent was illegal. Just because he believes otherwise would not be a defense. But even then that would not hold up in my jurisdiction: the mens rea only needs to go so far as to show the defendent knew of his actions, not their legal significance.

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  220. it is illegal NOW. there didn’t used to be a cause of action for marital rape

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  221. on August 19, 2010 at 10:57 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Max from Australia
    Hey Come on Guys I need some advice

    ADVICE OF THE ROISSY SPHERE PLEASE

    I am 40 currently considering leaving my fat 43 yo wife for a 31 yo virgin ( so she tells me ) that I am fooling around with…..

    Is it worth it? has anyone on here sucessfully pulled off such a move?

    do I pull off an effective trade in and get a 12 year age improvement???? afterall shagging a 40+ woman is a farce, no fun at all.

    Please can I have your views??
    ””””””’
    I’d say add the bitch. What your wife hasen’t given good service?
    But yea get her on a diet that does not include corn syrup.
    Other than that yea I hate the wests need to toss out a woman who has given you a lot.
    But yea 31 year old virgin is probably a basket case lol
    What is she bringing besides virginity?
    I mean I can get 18 year old vigins to marry so if that is issue why get a 31 year old?
    What is she bringing to table?
    What has your wife done to deserve that?
    But yea talk to wife and be like you want to add a bitch.

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  222. Just found this in the Daily Mail in the UK. Its from last September but its still a classic:

    Ego Epidemic Among Western Women

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1213212/The-ego-epidemic-more-inflated-sense-fabulousness.html

    http://thedeclineofmyamerica.blogspot.com/2009/11/ego-epidemic-of-modern-western-women.html

    It fits into my question on another thread about how to best go about delivering nuclear nukes when necessary.

    Note: the women in the article are all over 27 in which case I wouldn’t bother to deliver a nuclear neg because I would only feel sorry for them.

    I generally only date virgins in the 18-25 range despite being in my 40s.

    Roissy is right on the money here.

    Alphas will pursue and get the virgins.

    Freaks will pursue sex with the old-timer Kim Kardashian.

    Virgins are actually more confident about their ability to get Alphas than sluts are.

    In fact, confident virginal university students are much more likely to flirt with and connect with an Alpha businessman than a slutty hairdresser, who is actually more likely to be rude to him. It is often a class thing.

    Virgins want the Alphas, unless they are ruined by feminism. Remember, Alphas are where they are at because they can pretend to be Higher Beta when necessary. Its like the boss can sit in the employee lunchroom anytime he wants.

    Of course, an Alpha worth his salt is not going to leave the virgin virginal for long, but he will have all the time in the world anyway because he will be dating others at the same time. An MLTR will have relationships at different stages. It wouldn’t be uncommon for a man getting sex elsewhere to *not* pressure his virgin girlfriend for sex.

    @Virgin

    An Alpha will deflower you. He’ll just fool you into believing he’s a Higher Beta.

    @dalerojo

    Guys who come on here to pretend their dick is bigger than the other guys, don’t last long.

    Read the blog, get a sense of the culture and straighten up your act. Respect the fact that everyone is here to learn.

    You have some good things to say, although your idea that Alphas won’t wait for virgins but will move on to lower quality targets is fucked. The most fucked thing about your idea on this is that you can’t conceive of the idea that the smart guy will be running things concurrently and won’t *need* to move on from the virgin.

    If you are married in the UK, you are Beta. Don’t be proud of mentioning wifey here.

    At least you’ve shown you are “male” in this thread. I was totally thrown by what gender you might be when you acted in the other thread like throwing nuclear negs is Omega.

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  223. on August 19, 2010 at 11:04 am gunslingergregi

    lol H that is the most pathetic pile of shit I have ever read.

    That is the point too virgins in west are still whores he he he

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  224. on August 19, 2010 at 11:07 am gunslingergregi

    @max

    I’d say add the bitch. What your wife hasen’t given good service?
    But yea get her on a diet that does not include corn syrup.
    Other than that yea I hate the wests need to toss out a woman who has given you a lot.
    But yea 31 year old virgin is probably a basket case lol
    What is she bringing besides virginity?
    I mean I can get 18 year old vigins to marry so if that is issue why get a 31 year old?
    What is she bringing to table?
    What has your wife done to deserve that?
    But yea talk to wife and be like you want to add a bitch.

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  225. whiskey

    Vanilla Gorilla aka Jessie James and tatted Kat Von D, and Bombshell McGee?

    How does that fit in? Alpha? Tat fetish? Something else?

    irl dbag
    in love with
    fake TV fame

    ps – you forgot Janine Lindemulder.

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  226. Guns, if the guy is older himself, and he sincerely can’t get it up for the old wife, the best thing to do is either open the marriage or let her go.

    She’s not any happier there than he is, if she has a sex drive.

    Best case would be a kind of polygamy where the old wife is allowed to shag other guys. When the younger one turns 40 or so she can have earned the same privilege because, he’ll get tired of her, and replace her with a younger one.

    If there’s real love there, this can work. If not, and it’s all about the usefulness, then it won’t work because once the wife is free to shag others, she won’t feel bonded to her husband anymore.

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  227. H.

    I came.

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  228. on August 19, 2010 at 12:08 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozlzozlzolzlzlzozlzl

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_castro_bildenberg

    the butthexing bildeberg group!! lzozlzozlzlzlz

    “HAVANA – Fidel Castro is showcasing a theory long popular both among the far left and far right: that the shadowy Bilderberg Group has become a kind of global government, controlling not only international politics and economics, but even culture.

    The 84-year-old former Cuban president published an article Wednesday that used three of the only eight pages in the Communist Party newspaper Granma to quote — largely verbatim — from a 2006 book by Lithuanian-born writer Daniel Estulin.

    Estulin’s work, “The Secrets of the Bilderberg Club,” argues that the international group largely runs the world. It has held a secretive annual forum of prominent politicians, thinkers and businessmen since it was founded in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland.

    the world is fianlly ctahcing on lzozlzlzlzlzozoozlzzl to da neocns neo neo conz lozlzozzl

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_castro_bildenberg

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  229. on August 19, 2010 at 12:13 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    i picture all sitting in a room at da bildeberg group lzozlzlz:

    1) bernnke printing money and handing it out
    2) tucker max demosntratinghis new secrteiv tapings of butthex apparatuths to tape butthex without the girlths conthent and his new riser shoes lzozlzzlllzz to make him look six feet tallz lzozllz like his lies printed in the weekly standardth

    3) bill crhystal saying that spy cameras are cool:

    lozlzlzozlzlz spy cameras are cool for secetrive tapings of butthex for neocon fun and profit!!!!!

    4) jonah goldberg stuffing his gface with dc pizza and screminiang for more war more war more war on foeign shores zlzzzozlzlzlzzlzlz sending our alphas to die

    5) aging neoneon neocon dr. laura screaming the N Word lN! N! !N!N!N!NN!N! the racist n word

    6) bernanke smiling as he bankrupts the country via golman sax rhyems with tucker max butthex lzozlzlzlzl destabolizing debauching and eoulsing butthex lzozlzlzzz

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  230. GBFM,

    What do the neocons want? Parasites have a symboitic relationship with their hosts. So long as the host isn’t able to identify and kill the parasite, don’t the parasites want a strong, healthy and wealthy host?

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  231. on August 19, 2010 at 12:27 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    llzlzlzzlzlzozlzlzl

    da neoo neocons profit not off keeping a host healthy, but by butthexing and debauching it.

    then they move onto their next country to butthex and debauch it lzozlzzoozlzlzolzlzlzlzzoz

    and please do remember that they are heroically butthexing for the greater good of humanity lzozlzlzlzolzozlzlzlzlzlzlzlzozzlzlzlz

    as bill kristol and jonah goldberg scream for more war and bernake prints da monies to fund it wilhile wiring a few hundred thousand of bernakedolalrs to tucker max as a reward for butthexing girlths and taping it without their woncthent–buthexing sodoimtes cheered on and have tier lies repeated by necons charlotte allen and who are funded by womez wired monies from priscilla painton at simon sodom and shuster sheicster zozlzozlzlzlzlzllllzlzoz

    cause they know that by btthexing your futre wife and taping it secretively, the bilderberg group will get more loyalty form your wife tahn you and she will more readily divorce you because she misses the cockassing sessions that mwake her anuth tingle.

    they teahc womenz to value ass and gina tingle smore than family faith chidlren.

    dat is how da bildebegers conwuered da men of our country zlzoozlzlz by butthexing ther women in secrteiv tapinsg of asscoking sessions and having charlotte allen declae the assocker a six foot tall hero in the weekly standadth dutifully repeating 6cuker max rhymes with goldman sax loes about his hieght for her bernanke dolalrs fiat bernakke butthex dollarz lzozlzzozoo neocn womenz are funny sayingthe n word like dr. laura and posing nude with a hgairy bush pussy like dr. laura and repeatingthe pr lies of butthexers like charlotte allen zlzozlzllzzlzlzo

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  232. on August 19, 2010 at 12:42 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    make no mistake

    da women’z movement is about deosuling debauching deflowiring and devirginizing womenz lzozlzlzlzllzlzzlz

    by desosuling womenz via secrteivtapings of necon butthex, da neooncs can destory the family.

    this is good 4 the neocns on many levels:

    1) get women into da workforce 2 tax them lzozlzlzl
    2) put da children in daycare to mold shape tham b the state
    3) get the fathers out of the whome who would keep da tucker max douchecocks away form tehir daughters anuthes
    4) fuck up more children in fucked up families to increase pharmecutical company profits lzozlzzlzzl
    5) more child abuse occurs in broken familes so this helps grow th psychologist neocn regime lzozllzlzlzlz
    6) repalce the father with fiat dollars to enlarged da neocn goldberg tucke rmax machine rhymes with fogolmadn sax
    7) lzozlzlzlzl
    8) many man more reasosns zlozzllz

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  233. Dr laura has some pretty hot nudes on google. Some are even pink.

    You can be symbiotic or parasitic.

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  234. Truth is: if a girl is under 26, thin and isn’t deformed- she is fuckable.

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  235. GBFM, you’re a bore.
    A spastic bore, whose 15 minutes of fame are up. Trolls of your type have a short shelf life. Now please ever so kindly fuck off.

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  236. on August 19, 2010 at 1:04 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “The_Reaper

    GBFM, you’re a bore.
    A spastic bore, whose 15 minutes of fame are up. Trolls of your type have a short shelf life. Now please ever so kindly fuck off.”

    lozlzlzozol this is where AL PACINIO goes OH I’M JUST GETTING STARTED!!!! FUCK YOU!!!!!

    lzozzlzlzlz

    pw3d!!!!

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  237. for gbfm eyes only.
    actually for everyones.

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  238. on August 19, 2010 at 1:13 pm gunslingergregi

    On being able to tell if a woman likes sex or not both woman I married couldn’t suck dick for shit. They just wanted to fuck.
    But they were willing to learn. Took a while though for them to perfect it he he he

    ””””Nicole
    Guns, if the guy is older himself, and he sincerely can’t get it up for the old wife, the best thing to do is either open the marriage or let her go.
    ””””
    Yea where I am at now it is pretty much policy if you aren’t happy you get a divorce and get remarried then rinse repeat. lol
    It is like no big deal. The big deal is to just be happy. So yea who knows. They don’t expect to stay in it for life if they don’t like it. Probably take me a while to get it.

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  239. Guns, one would think that if someone was planning to be married for life, they’d imagine their partner old before signing the dotted line. However, some people apparently don’t think about that or delude themselves into thinking that they’ll be okay with it.

    At the same time, a woman who actually likes men, and had a good dad, should know how these things work. Even though my dad’s still hot for my mom, he warned me that guys like him are very rare. My grandfather on my mom’s side had a mistress.

    It would be nice if people didn’t break up their families over sex, but these are the times we live in. This is why, like I said some time ago, I like the old “over 40 club” way of doing things much better than today’s “rinse and repeat”.

    The over 40 club thing is common among Ashkenazim here. If they get turned off the wife, they go have a discreet affair and still occasionally take the mistress out to different places than they take the wife. It’s kind of interesting when you butterfly venues like I do, to see the unspoken “musical chairs”.

    Mizrahim get divorced multiple times and have all sorts of drama.

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  240. Sidewinder, religion has nothing to do with it. It doesn’t apply to all fellows, but for many the thought of an untouched woman is a most appealing one. That said, it is a pretty solid fact that most men do not consider a woman with many prior lovers as a good long term prospect.

    It is like buying a car: Some folks want that new car smell, other’s are not troubled by a bit of mileage. B

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  241. on August 19, 2010 at 1:49 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozlzozlzlz

    i love it how we live in a day and age where it isn’t SO FUCKING OBVIOUSSSSSSSSSSS THAT MEN PREFER WOMENZ WHO HAVEN’T BEEN DESOULED BY LOTSA COCKAAAAA !!!!

    that is what it has come to.

    that common knowledge from adam on down is now considered debatbele lzozlzlzlzllzlzlzlz

    do you think adam would have still hooked up with eve if she had taken lotsa cocka in all her orifices like da becpnecons taeiwthout ve’s conthent for cahs fiat cash from sodom and schuster and 2 have their lies about their ehight trupmoted in teh weekly standard by aging neonc womenz?

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  242. Excellent post Sir Chateau.

    @ johnny 5 and reality checkmate:

    INTJ/ISTJ/ISTP’s. Yep, I thought I was the only seriously introverted chess player here….even females lurk here b/c we are introverts and like this PUA stuff. its cute and sexy.

    moving on, many of us are religious and have some views on the “wait before for sex until after marriage”. but I don’t go there here. this blog has been very helpful to this lady for insight into the male mind and this dating situation many of us find ourselves in.

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  243. this is one of those posts that demonstrates what a strange mix of people read this blog. this is a site about game, ostensibly aimed at guys who want a life of sexual variety. and here we see all sorts of guys basically saying that sexual variety and sexual liberation is overrated and the death of western civilization.

    many of the guys who post here seem to be longing for a world where people get married in their early 20s; where women save themselves for their future husbands and men sow their wild oats a few times before committing to one woman for the rest of his life. if that’s the life you want, more power to you. to me, it sound terrible.

    in a world where men and women pair up for life at 18 or so, it’s perfectly reasonably to expect your wife to be a virgin. i’m in my mid-thirties right and only very recently have i seriously considered the idea of settling down with one woman. i suppose if i had settled down at 21 i could have a family and be perfectly happy now, but i have no desire to trade away the last fifteen years.

    this is also one of those posts that makes me wonder what’s really going through roissy’s head. it’s like can’t decide if he’s Cardinal Richelieu or the Marquis de Sade.

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  244. on August 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Nicole
    Guns, one would think that if someone was planning to be married for life, they’d imagine their partner old before signing the dotted line. However, some people apparently don’t think about that or delude themselves into thinking that they’ll be okay with it.
    ”””””

    I think realistic if two virgins marry how would they know they could spend life together. Might not be compatable.

    But yea people also stay together for life.

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  245. It’s too bad Jerry takes all the fun out of making fun of him by being so incredibly dumb.

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  246. I tend to think that as a guy gets more experience, he gets choosier. I wonder whether that happens to girls or does the rationalization hamster start going blind?

    Again, I dig the link with the chick who slept with 5000(!) guys, she can’t be that choosy.
    http://izismile.com/2010/08/17/guess_the_number_of_womens_lovers_by_the_7_pics.html

    So does her lack of discretion make her less desirable to men? Aside from her being a war-pig rutting with any guy with a pack of cigarettes and a Ford Escort and the associated lowering of social value for the guy being seen therewith…I’d say that damn, she’d be hard to trust. So, why do it?

    “try not to suck any dick on the way through the parking lot!”

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  247. Didn’t read all comments but dragnet nailed it – most men don’t admit it.
    Thursday nailed that man men don’t like it.
    Doug1 nailed that asexualism fears aren’tto be too worried abouy – arousal is a biological process, if you can make her fear/guilt/self preservation guard go down you should be ok.

    I have gotten so much flak my whole life for wanting too save myself for marriage – even my fiance told me hates “good girls” and can’t believe he’s marrying one. I think girls like me take a guy disappearing after date 1, 3 or ten more easily sometimes because we are used to it (and we haven’t bonded physically).

    Without the physical it is easy to mult date and date light (without demanding intentions or commitment) actually. I went out with a lot of guys for a while whiich I don’t talk about because people assume there were relations which is annoying… girls like me have to say yes to a lot more guys and not make a single first move in order to find a guy who is into us enough to go without doing it. The attraction, affection and love he feel has to be off the chart – slenda sweet rather than bitchy shit tests help find the one.

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  248. In general though, until there are more Virgin Rights out there I hide my virgin status. Some good friends of mine don’t even know how chaste I am.

    Have to admit the build up to the honeymoon makes a girl nervous about him having too high expectations or being too rough – my fiance has already said he is gonna beat it up or whatever minutes after the ceremony (plz ignore the other issues we aee having, just talking about this part). I am very enthusiastic about finally letting go and having fun yummmmmmm….. want to learn and get really good but only with my true love and mr.

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  249. seriously with this? the presence of a hymen doesn’t excite me, and any 30 year old dude who isn’t a pedophile hopefully agrees.

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  250. exhibit number one on why i have no interest in female vigins:

    girls like me have to say yes to a lot more guys and not make a single first move in order to find a guy who is into us enough to go without doing it.

    they use terms like “doing it.”

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  251. jr,
    Good point. If you want to marry a virgin it makes sense to start looking for a wife at a young age.

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  252. In the past, I’m guessing most men weren’t all that sexually experienced before marriage either.

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  253. Laura–

    @jr,
    Good point. If you want to marry a virgin it makes sense to start looking for a wife at a young age

    She should be young. The guy doesn’t have to be that young.

    Middle to late thirties guy marries an early 20s mentally mature for her age virgin.

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  254. J R,

    Cardinal Richelieu was a hell of a pussy-hound too.

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  255. @jkc
    Nice use of the No True Scotman. “No men prefer virgins. What’s that, many if not most do? Well, no NON-PEDOPHILIAC males prefer virgins.” And also, a pedophile is one who pursues pre-pubescents, but nice attempt to try and equate men who prefer virgins with men who like little children. Thanks for playing.

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  256. j r

    this is one of those posts that demonstrates what a strange mix of people read this blog. this is a site about game, ostensibly aimed at guys who want a life of sexual variety. and here we see all sorts of guys basically saying that sexual variety and sexual liberation is overrated and the death of western civilization.

    this sort of cognitive dissonance is exactly what makes pretty much anything that’s worth talking about, worth talking about.

    think how monotonous the discussion would be, especially the comments section, if that cognitive dissonance were lacking.

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  257. on August 19, 2010 at 4:09 pm (R)Evolutionary

    @Sidewinder,

    “The real biology underlying these observations is the human male’s preference for young, fertile girls between the ages of 15 and 25 (depending on age of sexual maturity). Roissy misses the mark on this one. He’s taking evolutionary biology/behaviorism too far. While natural selection certainly has effected humans from the neck up, it cannot select to this level of specificity. While empirical evidence would be difficult to acquire to investigate this claim, it is revealing that no other primate (or other animal species that I am aware of) shows any interest in the virginity of a female mate.”

    Not quite. In our evolutionary history, any woman who had sex during her earliest, most fertile years was likely to have a kid, or to at least have been pregnant.

    A woman of 20 or 22 or 24 who’s had kids is visually identifiable and physically distinguishable from a woman who hasn’t had kids–extra weight around the hips, stretch marks on the belly & butt, saggy boobs. This is because a woman gives a ton of her bodily resources–proteins, minerals, etc, to her firstborn child. To any child, but it’s most visible from no children to one child.

    Simply put, women who’ve never had kids are simply more attractive, and in the age before birth control, no kids was much more likely to mean virgin.

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  258. Ok, so nobody has explained to me how forcing your wife to have sex would not constitute rape. I will interpret the silence as everyone agreeing that it would, in fact, constitute rape. The next question is: do you think men should be allowed to rape their wifes with the full backing of the law? This is what roissy seems to be suggesting, but nobody has raised any objections.

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  259. I’ve said this before, I don’t understand the dynamic of the need to “force” a wife to have sex. Living in such close proximity, how does it not just happen naturally and spontaneously? I probably have a different dynamic in my home because it’s a “both of us were virgins” situation. I suppose if I had spent my 20s single, vacationing solo, dating a string of guys, etc. then maybe I’d be a different type of wife. If I “settled down” a full decade or more into adulthood, then having had a separate life prior to marriage, would result in a different mindset and one that would interfere with joining an overlapping my life intensely with another individual. But having my entire adult life (plus even prior to) in a (the same) relationship, the dynamic just doesn’t work like that.

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  260. name,

    many women use sex as a dominance tool–withholding it most of the time only to mete it out as a reward or on a special occasion.

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  261. Dude Man, “Hell, the appeal of abandoning yourself to a superior is reasonable and could even be universal. However, I have never experienced this, because no one is superior to me.”

    DITTO.

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  262. Contrarian, having had at one point in my life an actual neighbor who was the victim of marital rape, and having been the one to call the police on one occasion, I know that it’s a real thing, and it’s really scary.

    They are divorced now, thank goodness for her.

    Either the people on this blog have no idea what marital rape is or they are just talking out of their butts while smoking pot or something.

    There is no way that any decent human being could defend marital rape.

    And I’d like to know how they feel about wives who forcibly stick long objects up their husband’s buttholes. Afterall, in this liberated age of D/s porn-like sex, anything goes right? And if that’s what it takes to get your legally married wife off – why not? And if he did it willingly before in the past – what’s not to like now?

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  263. on August 19, 2010 at 6:41 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea virgin you should never actually get a man and just go ahead and stick with girlfriends for his sake.

    Do him a favor stay a lesbo get invotro fertilization for kids.

    Best solution for you.

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  264. on August 19, 2010 at 6:48 pm gunslingergregi

    But that just goes along with the never get married thing.

    Ever here of ltr rape lol

    No because ltr’s never have a problem giving up sex.

    Nor can use it as a weapon they just get kicked to curb.

    But then wives can why is that?
    lol

    Yea just don’t get married in west or really period especially if chick is a virgin.

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  265. VIRGIN–

    Either the people on this blog have no idea what marital rape is or they are just talking out of their butts while smoking pot or something.

    Oh really?

    Then why don’t you tell us of it’s horrors in detail, charming feminist.

    And I’d like to know how they feel about wives who forcibly stick long objects up their husband’s buttholes. Afterall, in this liberated age of D/s porn-like sex, anything goes right? And if that’s what it takes to get your legally married wife off – why not? And if he did it willingly before in the past – what’s not to like now?

    Willingly done that gay shiite in the past? Not a chance with me feminist.

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  266. VIRGIN–

    There is no way that any decent human being could defend marital rape.

    I’m a decent human being and I think criminializing it is an abomination.

    What next, marital date rape? She was a little tipsy and regretted in the morning? Hell, she mean to make him do the laundry for her first before putting out.

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  267. doug

    query:

    do you believe it is at least assault and battery? or that it is literally NO crime to physically force an unwilling wife to submit to sex.

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  268. on August 19, 2010 at 7:20 pm David Collard

    VIRGIN

    The problem is what is called “moral hazard”. No doubt you are familiar with the term. If you give wives a weapon to use against their husbands, some will use it improperly. Think about it this way: how would you feel if every time you had sex with your spouse, there was a risk that you would be accused of rape?

    As for “celibate marriages” and women doleing out sex, as someone said once, “like puppy treats”, no man should put up with this. Learn “game” to seduce her, or leave.

    Null

    Hi. How is the study? I had occasion to correct a friend on the Internet recently about that “two steps behind” thing. Do you remember?

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  269. “a repertoire of positions that would make Andrew Sullivan’s beagle blush.”

    Made me laugh.

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  270. on August 19, 2010 at 7:26 pm gunslingergregi

    Or what would the purpose be to get married.

    Really guys who want kids should actually be going surrogate rout.

    I am enjoying the heck out of my kid and he isn’t even my kid lol

    Just having fun teaching him stuff.

    Really kids are not a net drain they are a net gain.

    More entertaining than tv got to say that.

    The whole western thing of kids are so much work and bla bla is a load of crap.
    At least when you have someone to help raise em.
    Just hire nanny you don’t need a wife to raise kids at all.

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  271. on August 19, 2010 at 7:29 pm gunslingergregi

    Or like all the wealthy homes where you have the maid and nanny and shit you don’t need a wife. What is her role again?
    lol

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  272. Ok, so nobody has explained to me how forcing your wife to have sex would not constitute rape. I will interpret the silence as everyone agreeing that it would, in fact, constitute rape.

    Contrarian hates virginity because if everyone was a virgin then no one would be a rape victim

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  273. lol gig I can pretty much let any chick suck my dick but to actually get me to do some work too the bitch has to cross a certain threshhold

    LOL guns! I call it the ” jerk off line” like the ” waterline ” in finance.

    Am I happier banging that girl or jerking off? That’s the threshold the girl must pass.

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  274. dana

    do you believe it is at least assault and battery? or that it is literally NO crime to physically force an unwilling wife to submit to sex.

    No crime of any kind in f*cking her w/out her consent.

    If he really beat her up to do it, then sure that’s battery.

    It’s not that I think husbands should be forcing wives to have sex. I also don’t think it happens very much and that divorce is the real solution in households where it does. (And not not divorce with divorce theft 2.0.)

    It’s more I agree with you that the mindset in marriage should already be that she’s consenting to sex at least of the sort she had with him when they were engaged, for the rest of her life with her husband by the act of marrying him. After all that’s the fundamental bargain for men. Very few men would marry if the didn’t think doing so gave them sure sex so long as they were good husbands and put in some effort.

    As a corollary she should feel a duty to at least let him begin the processes of warming her up for sex even if she isn’t in the mood a reasonable amount a week. Mothers used to teach their daughters this before the dark days of 2nd wave Marxist feminism.

    As well having the crime of marital rape opens all kinds of avenues for false accusations esp. around a divorce.

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  275. i agree with everything you are saying and i perfectly understand the nefarious purpose behind the notion of marital rape and its destructive force in marriage.

    i just didn’t think the issue in marital rape was whether or not it was still potentially a battery, with the BATTERY being the crime as opposed to the much more severe charge of RAPE given that consent to sex was considered implicit before the advent of spousal rape laws.

    is it theft if a woman opens a drawer and finds $1000 of the husband’s and takes it to spend? 😉

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  276. on August 19, 2010 at 7:51 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””on August 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm gig
    lol gig I can pretty much let any chick suck my dick but to actually get me to do some work too the bitch has to cross a certain threshhold

    LOL guns! I call it the ” jerk off line” like the ” waterline ” in finance.

    Am I happier banging that girl or jerking off? That’s the threshold the girl must pass.

    ”””””

    So you have experienced the begging for your dick that just can’t get hard.
    It is wierd whenever I couldn’t even fuck a bitch she never laughed or whatever like sterotypical tv she fell in love lol
    Life really is sick as fuck.
    My dick is alpha as fuck even when I am not he he he

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  277. dana–

    Oh and if I were in the jury they’d never get a conviction of marital rape if unless the spouses were separated. Jury nullification. Plus I might just lie during the voir dire so that I could get on the jury to nullify it.

    Though I wonder how many martial rape cases are brought each year. I would imagine the prosecution wins very few, it the husband and wife were cohabitating rather than separated pending divorce, etc.

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  278. martial rape sounds like a lot more fun

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  279. I have to side with contrarian in this one. I am totally against martial rape…

    [Editor: Folks. Maybe the post was unclear. There’s no advocacy for marital rape. It’s a lament that modern wives no longer feel obliged to service their husbands even when the wives aren’t in the mood. The question of consent is irrelevant. Of course the wife must consent. But that doesn’t mean she has to enjoy it.]

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  280. The marriage rape debate is beside the point.

    Holding a gun to your wife and forcing her to have sex is not healthy for a relationship. It’s also battery. It should be a crime.
    However,

    Women who refuse to have sex with the man they’re living with and to whom they’re married are committing a “relationship” crime – This is what they’ve done:

    They’ve abandoned the relationship. This is true even if they’re still married, living together, looking after kids together.

    Women who do this should be called out on it.

    It’s the equivalent of a man refusing to being home his paycheck or spend a penny of it on the woman.

    Women use use as a tool to control men. It happens all the time. Many women openly say that they’re so glad they’re married – they don’t need to have sex any more.

    As violent as forcing your wife into sex is, it’s disgusting when women decide that, once they have The Prize of marriage, they can then screw off and abandon the man they’re in a relationship with.

    Rape in marriage is fine as a law. Alright.

    Then denying sex to your husband means:

    Men should have absolute freedom to fuck around with other women as much as they want, without giving grounds for divorce (theft).

    Oh, wait. In this calculation, there’s no fault divorce. You can divorce and take 65% of a man’s wealth just because you had a bad Tuesday at work.

    I hate debating this shit with feminists – they hold up Rape! Rape! Rape! and, at the end of the day, we’re forced to agree that it’s bad because violence is bad.

    (Date rape in marriage is *not* rape. CONSENT SHOULD BE PRESUMED; denial and defence by the woman, and subsequent violent overpowering by the man, should be required to have it be rape).

    The fact of the matter is that the only reason to get married now is to have kids. marriage as a partnership has been so thoroughly eviscerated it’s not worth even thinking about for most men.

    Women never see this. They have no idea.

    Try putting yourself in men’s shoes and then take a good, long look at marriage: And tell me what it’s good for.

    Now, you can’t even have sex with your wife without worrying about being called a rapist (many of these charges are, at best, spurious – see divorce records; it’s a common charge to make, and almost impossible to prosecute; the accusation is just a tool for harassing men; suddenly, that time when both were drunk becomes rape; when she had sex because she was being nice but was really annoyed, that’s rape too, because she was coerced, the other time when he nagged her that was rape too – etc.).

    I’ve had friends go through this. Thankfully, I didn’t – I was way too beta in my marriage – but two friends were accused but never prosecuted for raping their wives – as a tool to rape their bank accounts in a messy divorce.

    (One tactic he was warned about: During a reconciliation period, one buddy was warned by his lawyer NOT to go on holiday to Mexico with his soon-to-be-ex to reconcile; he said, if the guy had sex, he could be accused of rape, especially if she was intoxicated, and the accusation alone would be poison for his divorce. So he didn’t reconcile. He later told her why he didn’t go. She acknowledged a couple of years later that her own lawyer, a woman, had said that she should “be on guard” for abusive behavior on the trip and any time they were together while trying to reconcile. Note that the man had *never* been abusive in anyway – he’s the most peaceful peacenik ever born. How interesting. Still think rape in marriage is straightforward?).

    The whole legal system is designed to abuse men.

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  281. on August 19, 2010 at 8:21 pm gunslingergregi

    Check it out though gig that shit can be like I know what you did 17 years ago too lol

    I was home recently and yea the 400 pounder sent me a massage that she was ready for another round lol

    But yea the one who I used to practice intimacy on who actually was decent looking body came to visit from about 2 hours away and she was now a baloon (literally). I felt bad still sweet disposition though but divorced 2 kids on second husband.

    Woman were like do I know you. They were all divorced with kids and shit and new husband but yea the years did not sit well on them.

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  282. [Editor: Folks. Maybe the post was unclear. There’s no advocacy for marital rape

    Don’t know about this marital rape stuff, but the “martial rape” doug proposed scares the shit out of me

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  283. on August 19, 2010 at 8:40 pm gunslingergregi

    Gorby calm down buddy.

    You got decent loot right.

    Telling you dude get a surrogate.

    There is no point to having a marriage nor need.

    Guy can raise a kid just fine.

    What is the mom gonna teach the kid again?

    Remember when you were young and you used to ask questions about everything?
    Who answered those questions?

    Yea guys can raise kids from birth better than a woman.
    They can teach them how things work and the reason behind why they are told no for their own well being.
    But yea surrogate and you get your own kids to raise no worries.

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  284. on August 19, 2010 at 8:43 pm gunslingergregi

    And a 400 pounder coming out of your past doesn’t gig.

    You are more of a man than I.

    lol

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  285. Gorbachev–

    The fact of the matter is that the only reason to get married now is to have kids. marriage as a partnership has been so thoroughly eviscerated it’s not worth even thinking about for most men.

    I’m increasingly thinking men shouldn’t marry with a prenup mimicing living together in the event of a divorce, even if they do want kids with their partner immediately.

    The main reason why is feminists and the divorce industry keep working their damndest to chip away at the enforceablity of pre-nups in area.

    Instead if you want to have kids enter into a cohabitation agreement that is very like a pre-nup agreement except for making clear you both are not intending to enter into a common law marriage or to have the divorce laws applicable to married couples applicable to you.

    She could also change her last name if she wants, and she can give your last name to your children. It’s true that that would be her choice, but she could (probably unenforceable) agree to it in the cohab agreement.

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  286. Gorbachev–

    One tactic he was warned about: During a reconciliation period, one buddy was warned by his lawyer NOT to go on holiday to Mexico with his soon-to-be-ex to reconcile; he said, if the guy had sex, he could be accused of rape, especially if she was intoxicated, and the accusation alone would be poison for his divorce. So he didn’t reconcile. He later told her why he didn’t go. She acknowledged a couple of years later that her own lawyer, a woman, had said that she should “be on guard” for abusive behavior on the trip and any time they were together while trying to reconcile. Note that the man had *never* been abusive in anyway – he’s the most peaceful peacenik ever born. How interesting. Still think rape in marriage is straightforward?

    While both his and her divorce lawyers had a point in giving that advice given our amazingly misandrous legal system in any conflict between the sexes, especially one between intimates, I think they were also both not in the least interest in helping their clients to reconcile. Especially if they were plump gooses. There goes that gravy train, and a case they’re already invested in.

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  287. I trust people are aware that marital rape only became a crime in most US states during the 1980s as a result of a Marxist feminist onslaught?

    Under English common law there was no such thing as marital rape. As was the case in all or nearly all other countries.

    It’s purely a 2nd wave feminist invention.

    Along with a man being in “economic partnership” with his wife whether he agrees to that or likes it or not, and accordingly her getting supposedly half but in actuality more than half of the increase in his wealth during the marriage on divorce, no matter how great that wealth is.

    That was only adopted by most states in the 1980s to and not until 2000 in Britain. Where they don’t even enforce prenups whatsoever.

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  288. “name,

    many women use sex as a dominance tool–withholding it most of the time only to mete it out as a reward or on a special occasion.”

    Wow. Can’t say I ever thought about doing that. Never even joked about doing that. I so don’t think I’d be able to pull that off.

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  289. on August 19, 2010 at 9:15 pm gunslingergregi

    It certainly does seem like if another country had concocted a plan to destroy the us from within that it was working perfectly and the money they spent was well spent.

    I mean just the fat american thing is obviosly on purpose and not necesary,

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  290. @dana
    “many women use sex as a dominance tool–withholding it most of the time only to mete it out as a reward or on a special occasion.”

    This doesn’t even work after you have been with someone for a while.

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  291. on August 19, 2010 at 9:20 pm gunslingergregi

    Dam roissy kicking truth on everything including paleo dam

    So really is paleo still eating like potatoes and bread?

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  292. A woman that is a virgin above the age of 25 ; unless she has maintained her virginity for religious reasons (but even then you have to wonder) is just plain scary.

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  293. on August 19, 2010 at 9:43 pm gunslingergregi

    Really though I would eat like one meal a day before that is it and was fat.

    Now I eat like a dam monster.

    Fucking nuts.

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  294. David Collard, I agree with you about seduction skills. Appearantly many, ok, some, husbands think all it takes is rolling over in the morning with their “morning wood” and sticking it a dry poom-poom.

    Unless a woman is significantly aroused and lubricated, that can hurt terribly and even cause damage.

    I would think that a healthy marriage has open communication lines about what feels good to each and what each partner needs in order to function at optimal sexual levels.

    Why on earth would a sane man feel he has to rape his own wife?

    Answer: he wouldn’t.

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  295. on August 19, 2010 at 9:57 pm gunslingergregi

    How can an entire system be built of lies?

    I mean we couldn’t figure out that freaking the us food makes you fat and just ban that.

    I mean why is it ok to ban shit that doesn’t matter but not ok to ban shit that does matter?

    Why is everything about the us a fucking big disgusting lie.

    Why is education not doing anything to educate about anything fucking usefull.

    Why is it so fucking fucked.

    It is really amazing when you think about just how much of everything we grew up with was just bullshit.

    I mean just all fucking bullshit. Every fucking piece of almost everything was full of shit.

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  296. @Doug1
    Doug,

    I think you don’t go far enough.

    Women have destroyed marriage as an institution. Feminism, I should say, has destroyed marriage.

    This was its goal: radical feminism wanted to root out all traces of marriage and destroy it.

    That’s fine.

    So now – to induce men to support children and pair-bond with women, we need to get past these laws.

    We need to contract procreation. Except that it balances things out for men, women should like this.

    Completely eliminate marriage.

    Childrearing contracts

    Contracts would stipulate:
    – How much money each would contribute
    – Basic duties
    – What to do if the couple no longer lives together

    It would all be spelled out. Standard contracts would exist.

    There’s an implicit contract in marriage, but the terms have become wholly negative and destructive for men. No custody, savage enforcement mechanisms for payment of vast sums of money, the disgusting rape of alimony (in contradiction of feminist deals), …

    So now that the implicit contract of marriage has become a poison pill for men (or rich women with poor men), if feminists want to continue having it their way, …

    As a man, I’d let them have it if we replace the lying implicit contract of marriage with open, negotiated contracts that have the force of law.

    Child payments would be stated, and not dependent on income. There would be no alimony. Custody (barring abuse which would have to be proven in a *criminal* court) would fall to both parents, or as stipulated in the contract. Decisions about schools, etc., would be spelled out.

    This is the only logical way to proceed.

    Conservatives will fight back, but mindlessly: Their solution just guarantees the end of marriage because this is now a very raw deal for men. Conservatives are the ones who support alimony and want women to stay at home.

    They don’t realize that feminists have butchered marriage completely and that there’s likely no going back.

    So contract marriages for the raising of children sound like the only real solution, now. No more marriage.

    Kill it.

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  297. on August 19, 2010 at 10:03 pm gunslingergregi

    That is where game comes in you can find woman who like sex and they want to have it.

    Not some psycho 30 year old virgin.

    Calm down your not wanted for sex just relax nobody is trying to get in your e-pants.

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  298. @Doug1

    While both his and her divorce lawyers had a point in giving that advice given our amazingly misandrous legal system in any conflict between the sexes, especially one between intimates, I think they were also both not in the least interest in helping their clients to reconcile. Especially if they were plump gooses. There goes that gravy train, and a case they’re already invested in.

    Her lawyer was doing her job: making the divorce go as well as possible for the woman, finding every possible weapon against the man. His lawyer gave him good advice.

    What this guaranteed was: No reconciliation.

    But imagine if he’d gone, and she’d cried marital rape. Then he’d have lost all of his assets.

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  299. My understanding based on anecdotal chats with prosecutors is that marital rape is usually only prosecuted when it mimics non-marital rape — i.e., there is a threat of violence, or the use of violence or physical force and so on as one would see in a typical non-marital rape.

    The most common use of marital rape accusations appears to be to muddy the waters in family court. Like most accusations of assault in connection with divorce cases, it muddies the water, gets the husband kicked out of the house and restrained by the family court and so on, even if the prosecutors decide not to take the case (which I understand they normally do not, barring evidence that it was more like a non-marital rape).

    Instead if you want to have kids enter into a cohabitation agreement that is very like a pre-nup agreement except for making clear you both are not intending to enter into a common law marriage or to have the divorce laws applicable to married couples applicable to you.

    That would be worth a try, I think, depending on where you live. There’s still risk, of course, that a family court tosses it out based on equity, but it’s not a bad idea, especially if you live in a place that has a better track record of enforcing marital agreements.

    The hostility toward pre-nups is an Anglosphere/common law thing. On the continent in Europe, marriage contracts are commonplace and readily enforced. That’s one aspect of the “European way of doing things” that I never see the American left, despite its love affair for all things Euro, pining to import into the US.

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  300. on August 19, 2010 at 10:08 pm gunslingergregi

    Naa gorb my son don’t even put a dent in my money.
    Seriously his food cost is minimal.

    People think kids all expensive and shit.

    Just another fucking lie.

    The only thing that will cost is some educational shit I want him to have.

    But the most of the bitches recieving alimony and child support are not going to be buying the kids that stuff they are gonna be spending the money on themselves.

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  301. I agree with Doug1 – Marital Rape laws are an abomination.

    First of all, on a philosophical level, it changes the entire *purpose* of marriage – from an institution that contains sexual intercourse, so that the products (children) are raised in the best environment possible (patriarchal marriage).

    Marital Rape laws essentially say that there is no expectation of sex to occur within marriage.

    Let me ask you: Does a have a husband have a right to expect his wife to be sexual with him while they are married?

    I think being married does mean you have a right to expect sex from your wife.

    So, if your wife marries you and refuses you sex… forever… see the problem here?

    What’s the point of marriage if one party has the unilateral right (Marital Rape Laws) to nullify the entire point of marriage?

    Would you hire a housekeeper who that the right to refuse to clean your house – but still get paid? If not, then why would you marry a woman who has the right to remove the essense of marriage? (Heterosexual sex).

    Marital rape laws completely remove sex from the institution of marriage – making it not marriage at all.

    Second of all, the reason why women have traditionally never been able to claim something so absurd as “Marital Rape” is because in marriage a wife transfered ownership of her sexuality (and the products thereof – children) to the man, and she took ownership of the man’s surplus labour as payment for it.

    This is why, in the past, when a woman was traditionally raped, the husband was compensated rather than the woman – because someone had “stolen” the sexuality that was his “property” in marriage.

    In the past, a man could not be charged with marital rape because how can you possible “steal” your own “property”?

    This is also the reasoning behind a man “giving a child his name” through marriage (he took ownership of the child by giving it his name in marriage) and we still have vestiges of it in the modern marriage ceremony, where the father “gives away” the bride. (You cannot “give away” something you do not “own.”)

    You may not like it because of your 21st Century cultural sensitivities, but this is the way marriage has existed from the beginning of time up until around the 1860’s, when the suffragettes changed this aspect of marriage via the changing of presumed father custody to presumed mother custody (via the Tender Years Doctrine). This is the way it was, and it obviously worked – look around at the civilization this system has built. Btw, “romance” is a fairly recent addition to concept of marriage – and up until recently, marriage has always had an expectation of sex.

    If you are arguing in favour of Marital Rape laws you are, in fact, arguing that a husband has no right to expect to receive sex from his wife in marriage.

    What’s the point of marriage then, if sex is not a part of it?

    I wrote an essay on this subject once that has become somewhat popular over time – this is a pivotal event (Marital Rape Laws) in the destruction of our civilization – covered up by the fact that the fembots word-played this nonsense with the Traditional Raaaayyyyypppppeeee word – which is technically an oxymoron in marriage.

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  302. on August 19, 2010 at 10:44 pm David Collard

    VIRGIN

    For a virgin, you sure do have a vivid imagination.

    But thanks for a new word for the female genitals – “Poom-poom”. I must try that one on my wife.

    Actually, I went through a phase of having a quickie with my wife fairly often in the morning, on waking. I remember once I had done this, and then at breakfast time I gave our Samoyed bitch an injection of insulin, remarking “Look at me. What a man! I have only been awake for half an hour, and I have already penetrated two females.”

    It doesn’t take much to get a woman wet. A quick smack on the bum often does it for my wife. A couple should be able to have sex without signed affidavits on both sides, a period of negotiation, half an hour of designated foreplay, and so on. As the late lamented Cecilia once wrote: “foreplay is what you have when you don’t want sex”.

    Actually, there is data that suggests that women can be aroused physically (and presumably moist) without being consciously aware of it. It is an interesting question in evolutionary theory, perhaps an example of what is known as adaptive “self-deception”. My wife sometimes complains that she finds sex boring, but I tell her that her wet vagina would beg to differ.

    What I haven’t yet worked out is what the evolved advantage of a woman not being fully consciously aware of her level of arousal might be.

    A wife is not hard to seduce. If she likes you, she will want affection. Affection is the pot of gold at the end of the sexual rainbow for a lot of women. What I do is simply tell her what I want, and wait patiently. Her brain whirrs and whirrs, and she eventually decides that if she gives it up nicely, and makes the Old Man happy, there will be a nice cuddle at the end of it.

    No need for marital rape. Or even seduction. She seduces herself.

    Thank God for Evolution and woman’s adaptive capacity for fooling herself.

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  303. David, that may be all it takes to get your wife aroused but every woman is different.

    Many of my friends and female family members are married or in sexual relationships. Some of them complain that their partners interpret lubrication as “feeling good” or even orgasm. One lady who’s man consistently fails to bring her to orgasm is frustrated because he insists, “I know orgasms and you had one because you are dripping”.

    It’s gotten to the point now where she just lays back and says, “ok, pound away like you always do and convince yourself that you gave me an orgasm when you didn’t”

    This comment made him go limp the first time she said it.

    I’m so happy masterbation was discovered.

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  304. @dana

    many women use sex as a dominance tool–withholding it most of the time only to mete it out as a reward or on a special occasion.

    Many? I sometimes hear men complaining about this, but I don’t know a single woman who admits to doing it. It sounds a like some real, old-fashioned, manipulative “I Love Lucy” stuff to me. I’ve never used sex to dominate, and I’m no shrinking violet. Aren’t most women more direct about their wants and needs?

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  305. @editor

    It’s a lament that modern wives no longer feel obliged to service their husbands even when the wives aren’t in the mood. The question of consent is irrelevant. Of course the wife must consent. But that doesn’t mean she has to enjoy it.]

    I had this discussion with Dalrock and Polymath when I first started posting here. I don’t believe a man has the right to force himself on a wife, but I believe that in a monogamous relationship, where the wife is the only game in town for the husband, that she should consent even if not in the mood. A man who is considerate of his wife, however, will figure out how to get her in the mood. It’s a two-way street.

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  306. What is the advantage to a woman of being less-than-aware of her actual arousal? It helps with her pretending to love a type of guy that her pussy really does not want. After all, if we accept the 80:20 rule regarding men and gina tingles, a lot of women are doomed to be paired via monogamy with a guy they never truly wanted – for sex. It is simple math. How could too much awareness of her true pussy-feelings help her attract a beta? It is just an extra burden for her to carry. So nature gives her an anesthetic for those unwelcomed, burdensome insights.

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  307. The ‘ancient biological reasons’ that you’re referring to are currently being called into question by serious primatologists and anthropologists.

    It is not really obvious that ancient homo sapiens really gave a fuck about paternity, because it wouldn’t have been obvious to them how sex and reproduction were actually related considering everybody was banging everybody.

    Also add to this the fact that not only are women naturally promiscuous, but men are attracted to other men having sex with women ( your web browser history will back this up. )

    This is why women scream during sex. to attract more men to join the fight. Literally, almost, considering the fight that takes place inside the woman. Not only does one sperm compete against millions of your own, but millions of other men. Considering women’s immune system treats sperm as invaders, women select their mates on a cellular level regardless of what their instincts might tell them.

    A lot of this research calls the science behind the alpha male / game worldview into question. It isn’t that I’m arguing against evolutionary biology, either. I’m arguing for it, against a conception of it which mistakes our very recent cultural shifts ( agriculture ) as a constant in our 200k year + history.

    It only made sense for men to care about virgins with the invention of private property which is passed down along paternal lines, agriculture, and a division of labor. This is a cultural adaptation not an ancient biological fact.

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  308. Since marriage has, traditionally, been about “joining the two into one flesh” – for the purpose of heterosexual sex… then one could make the connection that those who feel so horny that they are compelled to fondle their sex organs (masturbate) when they would prefer to think they are the kind of people who are above such behaviour – should be able to have themselves charged, and incarcerated for near-capital-crime-length-of-time, for sexually assaulting themselves.

    What’s the difference? Chicks should go to jail for diddling themselves, as this is sexual assault in the same way that sex within marriage can be considered traditional “rape.”

    Marriage is about uniting the two into one, while Marital Rape laws separate the union and keep it at 19th century courtship levels.

    It’s fucking absurd to stick up for marital rape laws – or to even apologize towards such an insane idea as “marital rape.”

    How is this any different from “imputed income” regarding a man after divorce – where they consider he has an obligation to “perform” to a certain standard, vis a vis his stupidity in making a commitment to marriage/a woman and her children?

    If men can be held to the standard that they must perform economically to a certain standard… then certainly it must extend that a woman must perform sexually to the same degree – since these are the “assets” that each party brings to the table in marriage.

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  309. If you’re going to get married, do it with style: http://manzano.naurunappula.com/nn/0/273/013/67102.jpg

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  310. on August 20, 2010 at 2:05 am David Collard

    Christopher Ryan

    Interesting.

    Behaviours can evolve (such as valuing a virgin with a hymen) even when there is no cognitive understanding. The genes don’t “care” if the animal understands its behaviour intellectually or why it is adaptive.

    What attracts a man to women or a woman to men is not decided at the conscious level.

    I see no reason why the hymen could not have evolved as a sign of youth, availability, freedom from venereal disease, not being already pregnant, and the absence of an already-formed pair bond. Signals can be sent and received and have behavioural effects without any intervening cognition or self-consciousness.

    “Honest signals” and “costly signals” are used by species that do not “understand” their deeper significance. I would suggest that the human hymen is an “honest signal” of the features I have already mentioned.

    I quite like your theory about why women scream during sex, except that I wonder if it would not have attracted as many large predatory animals as other, presumably better male suitors.

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  311. It is not really obvious that ancient homo sapiens really gave a fuck about paternity, because it wouldn’t have been obvious to them how sex and reproduction were actually related considering everybody was banging everybody.

    Sure, if you wish to argue that we should return to living like animals because it is natural.

    It IS!

    Civilization, however, is not natural.

    And, in fact, most of civilization is based upon us rejecting animal-like behaviours – see the ten commandments (also found elsewhere, and referred to as Universal Morality).

    This “law” commands us to resist being animals.

    Killing is natural for animals.

    Stealing is natural for animals.

    Not caring about your parents is natural for animals.

    And fucking like an animal, and cuckolding, is natural for animals.

    We are not animals, and we can choose to deny our animal natures. (Obviously, men are better at this than women.)

    Ancient humans were ancient and barbaric and lived like animals.

    There is no good end to returning to live like animals.

    Either we live a life ruled by reason (human) or one ruled by passion (animal).

    But we will live a better life, with less suffering, if we choose reason over passion.

    This is the essense of being human, rather than animal.

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  312. Imagine these as definitions of rape.

    Some of them are apt. But, most of this feminazi’s list of what constitutes making a man a rapist would make all men rapists – and criminals, if they ever had sex at all.

    This isn’t abnormal. I’ve seen much more comprehensive lists than this.

    This is anti-sex Feminism. There’s no other possible name for it.

    http://encyclopediadramatica.com/BitingBeaver/RapeChecklist

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  313. One of the best novels to come out of Germany in the last twenty years was Patrick Susskind’s “Das Parfum”.

    It captured well how the *smell* of a 16-19 year old virgin is intoxicating (the protagonist in this horror story made the ultimate perfume by mixing the essential oils of virgins).

    I hate to say it, because I’ve always assumed the “Pheromone Industry” is a scam, but there is a lot to this.

    Part of the fascination many late teens have with the Twilight series (and vampire stories in general) is because they know they make an olfactory impression on men above and beyond the brand of shampoo they use. Men are literally drawn into the neck, which is the exposed area where smelling a woman is socially acceptable (doable via kino).

    IMHO Bram Stoker’s Dracula was really about seduction involving burying one’s face in a young woman’s neck (just noticed on Google that clueless feminists think of Dracula as being about “parasitic relationships”).

    Just last night I met an 18 year old at a friend’s birthday party who wasn’t my type physically (a better version of what Paris Hilton was at 18 but still not tall and full-figured which is what I prefer).

    But she leaned into me for 4 hours while we had lots to talk about (she’s an intellectual) and she won me with her smell. Kino had progressed fairly quickly in the form of, you guessed it, burying my face in her neck while telling her she smelled great. By the end of the evening we were like magnets stuck to each other. I’d told her about my theory of olfactory compatibility and she agreed with me.

    And this morning she’s told our common friend “he’s so romantic”. 😉

    Both my primary girlfriends also agree with me that the primary draw between us is also through the nose. They know not to wear perfume or makeup with me because that just blocks out the main attraction.

    That said, I’m still highly skeptical of the pheromone industry.

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  314. on August 20, 2010 at 4:30 am David Collard

    Thursday:

    “They want their women already broken in.”

    Why? I cannot imagine the mind of such a man.

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  315. on August 20, 2010 at 4:39 am David Collard

    Dreamcatcher:

    ” Moving on, I pcame to terms with every stupid, weirdest thing this country had to throw at me, but what still puzzles me to this day is how are guys OK with marrying sluts? How can you marry a woman who has been stuffed by random dudes?? I have not been able to wrap my mind around this. No matter how many women I have banged and it doesn’t matter how many more I will — No matter how open minded of a man I am — I will never and I mean never ever settle down with a woman who has had cocks up her no good vagina. ”

    My sentiments exactly. American men are insane on this topic. In many cultures, having to marry a non-virgin is the ultimate humiliation.

    Trust me, men around the world are laughing at you American men. They don’t envy you your sexual freedom, because most of you are marrying sluts.

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  316. @David

    Roissy is correct that Alphas will go for the virgins as a priority…many women do a great job in pretending they are virgins as a result.

    Unrelated but wild: :

    Male Abusers *Often* Sabotage Birth Control

    http://news.health.com/2010/01/25/male-abusers-often-sabotage-birth-control-partners/

    Feminists in the media basically slamming clueless Beta males for wanting to have families (article is about deceit but ultimately the article is about feminist women not wanting families with the men they have sex with).

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  317. As if on cue, the media and blogosphere backup Roissy’s post on virginity being important:

    http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/08/value-of-virginity.html

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/16/AR2010081602839.html

    Bonus link:

    Day of the Cougar (the opposite of the virgin):

    http://stuartschneiderman.blogspot.com/2010/08/day-of-cougar.html?spref=fb

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  318. Money quote from the new Washington Post article:

    “Even as China has flung open its doors to the West and modernized, a deeply conservative and chauvinistic attitude persists. Many men, including white-collar professionals, say they want to marry a virgin. And increasingly liberated Chinese women have found a way to oblige them.”

    Note that the journalist who wrote the article was the “male” Keith Richburg.

    “Does she worry that she is encouraging people to start their marriages with a lie? “It’s just a white lie,” Zhou said. And she blames men for having unrealistic expectations.”

    Kind of like the push-up bra, right? But woe to the guy who lies about his age or income?

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  319. Again, reminded of the scene from Eric the Viking, the raid when Eric enters the house with a woman in it and after some verbal exchanges the woman prompts Eric: “And what about rape?”

    Just an anecdote… My 1st X, quite early during our marriage one day requested: “Rape me!”
    Me: “Whaaa…?”

    Well, on any further occasions, I obliged without delay. This was before the “marital rape” laws, so her motives were pure. 😉

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  320. @Christopher Ryan

    Interesting theory, unfortunately it’s backed up neither by day-to-day observation nor common sense.

    It is not really obvious that ancient homo sapiens really gave a fuck about paternity, because it wouldn’t have been obvious to them how sex and reproduction were actually related

    Nonsense. I can’t see how you think our ancestors who were smart enough to identify food sources, movement of animals, and memorise epic poems, make weapons, create art, have sophisticated burial rites and so on, couldn’t work out that nine months after a shag out popped a baby. Even in the earliest literature we have ( gilgamesh, sanskrit epics ) the link between sex and babies was so clear, it wasn’t worth mentioning.

    everybody was banging everybody

    Oh, really. Look pre-human at our ape ancestors. There the pattern is that the alpha males get all the chicks.

    In any case, this flies in the face of common sense. You seem to have forgotten the powerful emotion of jealousy which is present to a huge extent in both sexes and would have stopped most orgies before they even got started.

    women select their mates on a cellular level regardless of what their instincts might tell them.

    Really. You don’t get out much, do you.

    Having said that, there is a small grain of truth in what you’ve said, but only small.

    There are some women who are attracted to gang bangs and there are some men who don’t seem to mind getting their penises coated in the semen of other men. As proof we can point to the very, very small number of men who are attracted to the so-called ‘cuckold lifestyle’. There may well be biological reasons for this, for example, this might have been the only way for low status men, and low status women ( i.e. the ones who were of no interest to the alpha males) to procreate.

    On the whole your theory is smitten by the noble savage fallacy, which has been thoroughly debunked.

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  321. @David Collard
    “Trust me, men around the world are laughing at you American men. They don’t envy you your sexual freedom, because most of you are marrying sluts.”

    Maybe so. I am form a different cultural niveau–grew up in Central Europe. So, I were influenced by the trends that were prevalent in the area.

    One–the old Slavs had this notion (pagan, pre-christian era) that a girl that was a virgin before marriage was apparently not that desired and likely with an inherent trait to turn into an old hag quickly. Probably based on observation, the prettier girls had a fair chance to stay pretty longer. That does not mean that an overt slutty behavior got a girl anywhere. People lived in small communities, so it was fairly known how many men the girl had. 1 or 2 were acceptable, anything above that was considered a sign of sluttiness.

    Though a millenium and some long christian era brought some new notions about virginity, the old stuff was still present in some form, at least in the sense that one previous sexual relationship was tolerable. It was probably also kept in the spectrum of behavioral patterns because widows (young ones too) were more common and strict virginity paradigm would have shut them off.

    So, the issue of virginity is not a pure binary concept. I am conceding your notion that American men (and to some degree western men) were so pussy-whipped that it is beyond laughable. It is sad and depressing..

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  322. on August 20, 2010 at 7:31 am David Collard

    Yes, a widow is acceptable. Just. Maybe. But I always wanted a virgin, and I made damn sure I got one.

    Things are not great in Australia, but we Australian men are nowhere near as “pussywhipped” as Americans. At least, that is my impression.

    I cannot believe that so many Western men are prepared to marry women who have been banged about by other men, some of whom the woman will remain bonded to. It is pathetic.

    Men with power in the past did not tolerate other men interfering with their women. It used to be a capital crime, treason punishable with death, to have sex with the English King’s Queen.

    On rape, my wife has hinted at this once or twice, but rape, even play rape, does not turn me on.

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  323. This comment on “Sex at Dawn” was posted at the Spearhead:

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    “‘the authors show how far from human nature sexual monogamy really is. They expose the ancient roots of human sexuality while pointing toward a more optimistic future illuminated by our innate capacities for love, cooperation, and generosity.’

    Running water and electricity is far from human nature too. However monogamy is the only social system that will permit technological civilization. Polygamy goes straight to the grass huts, and anybody who advocates it will also.

    Reality is self-correcting. It’s pretty cool.”

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  324. CNN has a new report:

    Single? You’re not alone (with a photo of a wistful 5 on the cover)

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/08/19/single.in.america/#fbid=yC1Ddz5lVIl&wom=false

    The article has some good stats to use such as “6 million people living together in the US” but the statistic that there are 88 single men for every 100 single women in the USA is an irrelevant stat because it surely includes all the widows over 70 whose husbands have died (women live a few years longer and this “adds” millions to the ranks of “single women”). Including them in the stats is politically correct nonsense.

    What is really significant about the article (downright heartening actually) is that most of the commenters seem to be Roissy readers.

    The first comment out of the box is “Why get married with all the anti-male laws out there”.

    With 3000+ readers per day on this blog (and other blogs), the message is getting out there. By 2016 men might even be a political force.

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  325. @David Collard

    But I always wanted a virgin, and I made damn sure I got one.

    Your prerogative. It does not guarantee that your marriage would be a lasting one, though. You still need the game. Me, I’d rather once-twice-used 8 than a virgin 4. The game overrides the yes/no virginity issue. I can get fairly precise previous usage list.

    I was pretty natural at getting girls. But once in a LTR, I made mistakes. Or, rather, I based my patterns on the traditional notions while the world started to change rapidly around me.

    If I just transplanted my “game” from hunting to taming, I’d have been faring better. I did not become a herb, but betaized some, mostly because it was easier to deal with stuff like shit tests, though later I simply refused to participate. Could have dealt with it a better way, in retrospective.

    Re rape play, not a particular turn on for me either, I simply took any opportunity at sex, no questions asked (after the first ponder).

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  326. Also, the virginity does not guarantee the bonding. The game does not either, but your odds at success in LTR increase dramatically.

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  327. Rob, the problem with what you’re saying is that humans are animals. We’re very intelligent animals, but we are still subject to the laws of nature regardless of what lies we tell ourselves.

    So a civilization, in order to stand, must have a balance between the civil and the animal. Human nature must be taken into account when embarking on any kind of social engineering project.

    On the one hand, leaders and the shapers of culture must institute policies that effectively control uncivil aspects of human nature, but on the other, they must provide enough room for people to express their true natures so that they don’t become weak and demoralized.

    Monogamy is good distribution control, but it can only work if priority is given to female chastity and male practicality at the same time. If value is placed on chastity, but not enough on practicality, then all the males will still crowd around the hottest women and you will have large numbers of dissatisfied less beautiful women.

    Those women are just as driven to have sex and procreate as the hot ones, and will turn to sluttery to get their needs met. It is unfair to expect them to do otherwise, and inhumane and uncivil to demand or enforce it.

    If, as things are currently, too much priority is given to male practicality and not enough to female chastity, then all the women will naturally crowd around what they perceive to be the most socially dominant men…and you have large numbers of dissatisfied men who will naturally turn to prostitutes to get their needs met. To demand otherwise of them would be extremely inhumane.

    …and yet this is exactly what is done in most of the U.S. Men have to either accept sloppy seconds from the more alpha (the majority) or from other impractical men who dumped loving women (a small but significant minority).

    They don’t have the legal option to take prostitutes who will do whoever can pay the fee, and because of this, the pool of available illegal prostitutes are not usually courtesan-like. So seeing a prostitute can be a rather ego destroying experience even though it shouldn’t be.

    Social engineers must be able to look at the big picture and keep the balance, or else they should find an occupation they’re more suited to.

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  328. on August 20, 2010 at 8:39 am David Collard

    No, Morsellaux, it doesn’t guarantee a successful marriage. But we have lasted nearly 25 years, and oddly enough, I still find her “hot” as you Americans say. I knew she was not “frigid” because she was not holding onto her virginity as an asset (I had an earlier fiancee who had done just that). She (my wife) turned out to be very generous sexually, so she was not a virgin out of lack of interest.

    I quite agree about “game”. I realise now that I was always a bit naturally arrogant (which is good, of course). I slumped for a few years, but recently the attitude has come back in force, and I am now intellectually aware of why some things work with a woman, and some don’t.

    Being very religious like me can turn a man into a “mangina”, but this is not inevitable, since traditional religion is quite “macho”, for want of a better word.

    I have always been naturally masculine, but men like me get shamed into feeling that we are “neanderthals”, “misogynists” and so on. Only recently, I have come to see this as pure propaganda. I have come to see my attitudes as “features” not “bugs”.

    Oddly, the best piece of woman advice I ever heard was delivered by an otherwise stupid young man at University. I overheard him intone, “treat them [women] mean to keep them keen”. A very wise remark.

    Once you start to see a lot of what a wife does as “shit test”, the world becomes a simpler place. “Game” is like most really good theories, it keeps on yielding insights. It has great explanatory power.

    I suppose it is not as important as some insights, but since most men live in some kind of relationship with a woman, it is of great mundane significance. Most men are made happy or unhappy by a woman.

    You mention “taming”. Shakespeare’s The Taming of the Shrew is probably worthy of study by men who want to “game” women. There is also a lot of traditional folk-wisdom, including an extraordinarily accurate rendition of successful “game” in an old Irish popular song, “Eileen Og”.

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  329. If sluts are more likely to cheat, then what does that say about men who are just at promiscuous – players, cads (sluts as well in my book)? Wouldn’t they be more likely to cheat as well.

    And really, males seem to put SO MUCH importance in losing their virginity. Maybe it’s because I’m a chick and a virgin myself, but really….it’s not that big of a deal. I mean, I can understand wanting to attract women and learning how, but wanting to rack up as many sexual partners as you can because you think it’s the “alpha” thing to do is….well tacky. I’m sure that there are other ways to be alpha without having sex with half the neighborhood or city.

    I understand wanting to lose your virginity because it’s believed that women prefer men with “experience”, but does it really mean sexually experienced or the illusion of experience (being attractive to women)?

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  330. on August 20, 2010 at 8:59 am David Collard

    Renee, I only had sex with one girl before I met my wife, and I knocked back a few opportunities.

    In my opinion, chasing skirt is not necessarily “alpha”.

    Now, I am off to bed, as it is late here in Australia.

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  331. on August 20, 2010 at 9:13 am David Collard

    Jerry

    I don’t know who this journalist Keith Richburg is, but here in Australia there is one man laughing at him for being a wimp who probably married a whore.

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  332. If value is placed on chastity, but not enough on practicality, then all the males will still crowd around the hottest women and you will have large numbers of dissatisfied less beautiful women.

    Nicole, we both know this was never the case. Males will crowd out around a much larger set of females than the other way around, and lack of sex will make males set their bars lower and lower.

    Except the bottom 10% of cigstaches, every woman can get a man. They just refuse to set their bars lower, as men do. Dissatisfaction caused by lack of sex is an almost entirely male phenomenom.

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  333. @Nicole Those women are just as driven to have sex and procreate as the hot ones, and will turn to sluttery to get their needs met.

    Absurdity. Instead of being chaste and forming a relationship with betas and lower betas that may appreciate something else beside skin deep beauty… no, they are entitled to Prince Charming. And sluttiness is how they get him.

    Brilliant! Fucking awesome!

    (They’ll get neither)

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  334. gig,

    if you think cigstache cant get a man youve never been to kensington or port richmond in philadelphia lol

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  335. Dana, you mean the girls sporting the “Kensington facelift” ?

    lollzlzl

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  336. Wistful 5? Wistful 5??? That broad is a straight 9.5 wtf are you talking about……….

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  337. Gig, it was a hypothetical, but female dissatisfaction comes from lack of opportunities for commitment. When it becomes more of a social sin for a man to have an ugly wife than it is for him to have a disloyal one, men will refuse to commit to women who are good and chaste (not always the same thing) but “defective” according to their culture’s standards.

    This is where the pendulum is swinging, but for now, what’s happening is the other situation where males are demanded to be practical but females aren’t demanded to be chaste.

    For monogamy to be feasable, one must have chaste women and practical men. If there is a discrepancy, there is trouble.

    Men can lower their bar for sex as far as their penis will allow them to, but they do not lower their bar for commitment because it’s a territorial thing. A guy doesn’t want to invest his time, effort, and resources or risk his life for something he doesn’t value…and what he values will at least 90% of the time, be what those around him value.

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  338. Morsellaux, I say the same thing about betas who can’t bring themselves to settle for a girl rating below 7. It doesn’t make any logical sense, but this is the power of programming.

    For the moment, such men are the minority. Most guys will be okay with a woman who’s basically pretty or on the prettier side of plain. Some would be okay with ugly with a good personality. However, having 9’s and 10’s paraded before their eyes day in and day out in porn and television will ultimately result in the less beautiful women being relegated to FWB status at best, especially with the additional push from marriage 2.0 becoming a much less appealing deal as more men become aware.

    The dark day is coming when there will be both rampant debauchery in women and pervasive childish impracticality in men.

    If this is to be stopped men have to refuse to become impractical, and start demanding more chastity from women. In other words, if you’re banging a chick, it should not be okay for her to be getting banged by other dudes. Guys should be either more territorial or more clear about their bitches being just bitches.

    Demand probationary commitment from women they want to keep around, and clearly draw borders for the women they don’t.

    In other words, be okay with the double standard. Be more of a chauvanist. It’s the civilized thing to do. Women need to relearn shame for being stupid.

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  339. Nicole,

    Monogamy is good distribution control, but it can only work if priority is given to female chastity and male practicality at the same time. If value is placed on chastity, but not enough on practicality, then all the males will still crowd around the hottest women and you will have large numbers of dissatisfied less beautiful women.

    Perhaps this is a very simplistic view, but what about encouraging chastity for both men and women along with practicality. Wouldn’t that work better?

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  340. Nicole, In other words, be okay with the double standard. Be more of a chauvanist. It’s the civilized thing to do. Women need to relearn shame for being stupid.

    Clarification acceptable.
    For the moment the practicality demands not getting married. Even not so purdy ones have ego inflation in tripple digits, mostly urbanites, flyover country is not as rotten and it is possible to find a good girl even with a decent rank, 6.5-7.5. In fact, non-urban folks (men and women) are prolly the only segment that may save this country–they still reproduce.

    As for TV, are there people still watching it? I threw that box into a trash pickup lane in 2002 and haven’t missed it.

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  341. The young women I know are not that picky. However, we all have a threshold that we want met and as long as it’s reasonable and not out of our league, that’s ok.

    As a shy, geeky girl I’m attracted to cute, shy, geeky guys (operative word here being “cute” meaning at least a 6.5).

    I don’t demand or expect to pull a super hot alpha 9.

    The problem is that these shy, geeky guys are so shy that they don’t make any moves. And I’m shy too so neither do I.

    So while it’s true if I went to a bar and gave the side eye to some random dude with beer breath I could get laid that night by him, that’s not what I want.

    I want a nice, cute, shy, geeky guy to be my boyfriend.

    Morsellaux, is that your actual foto?

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  342. VIRGIN – are YOU at least a 6.5?

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  343. Renee,

    “Perhaps this is a very simplistic view, but what about encouraging chastity for both men and women along with practicality.”

    Female chastity is generally valued by society but male chastity is generally devalued, even mocked by society so that’d never work.

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  344. Renee, in herd terms, encouraging is part of enforcing. I’m not sure if it’s such a great idea to equalize the chastity demand for men and women. It’s better to advise males to avoid potentially entrapping situations that would kill their chances of acquiring a decent woman when one comes along.

    In order for that to happen at ground level, to some degree, chastity must be discouraged in men. To keep civil balance, a male’s natural right to escape or branch out must be protected. Otherwise, women have no real world motivation to stay in line. They end up with an inordinate amount of power, and will abuse it because women aren’t naturally suited to have power to trap a man. We are physically weaker, more hormonally prone to overly sentimental and passionate thought since oxytocin and estrogen are working together in us, and don’t age as well. (That is not to say that women can’t be rational at all, just that it’s harder work for us to be so.)

    In order to keep a man, we are supposed to have to foster enough sentimental and sexual attachment to stay interesting to him. This is how it works in the jungle, and how it’ll work in town.

    Male chastity should be merely an option, and female chastity outside of prostitution and necessity, should be a rule.

    If this is how a culture manages distribution control, there will always be enough prostitutes, widows, spinsters, and divorcees to service men looking for non marital or casual sex (not always the same thing), and yet still enough wives for men who want them. There will also still be enough husbands to go around as well.

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  345. On a personal note, this belief is why I wrote the Slut Rules…not to be confused with the sociopathic SITC slut rules.

    There needed to be a kind of code of conduct for non marital romantic relationships that took both the times, nurturing civilization, and human nature into account.

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  346. Doug1 “I’m a decent human being and I think criminializing it is an abomination.”

    You cannot simultaneously be a decent human being and a rape supporter.

    “I trust people are aware that marital rape only became a crime in most US states during the 1980s as a result of a Marxist feminist onslaught?”

    This is like saying “black people didn’t get full civil rights until this and that year.” So?

    gig “Contrarian hates virginity because if everyone was a virgin then no one would be a rape victim”

    Right…. so a person who is sexually conservative and opposes rape hates virginity and wishes for women to get raped. You really are the zenith of logical reasoning ability.

    Rob “Marital Rape laws essentially say that there is no expectation of sex to occur within marriage. ”

    Which would mean that you are essentially saying that the only way to have sex in a marriage is to rape your wife.

    “In the past, a man could not be charged with marital rape because how can you possible “steal” your own “property”?”

    In the past, there were a lot of things. Should we re-introduce slavery because “in the past?”

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  347. In the past, there were a lot of things. Should we re-introduce slavery because “in the past?”

    Yes

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  348. I have to be honest. Why would anyone want a virgin? For status? Please. Who gives a shit about what other people think as long as you are having fun and good sex. As long as the girl doesn’t have any kids or STD’s and isn’t fat or ugly and hasn’t had sex with anyone that I don’t like it’s good to go. It’s not like there is any point of relationships or marriage anymore, just have fun, it’s only a game.

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  349. One point missed in the article:

    4. She might have had an abortion or a history of sexual diseases that could easily leave her sterile. This is quit likely with todays women.

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  350. @ Contrarian,

    Rob “Marital Rape laws essentially say that there is no expectation of sex to occur within marriage. ”

    Which would mean that you are essentially saying that the only way to have sex in a marriage is to rape your wife.

    “In the past, a man could not be charged with marital rape because how can you possible “steal” your own “property”?”

    In the past, there were a lot of things. Should we re-introduce slavery because “in the past?”

    Well, I don’t think we should introduce simpleton-ness back to society, which is what you are doing, smart mouth.

    Saying that there is an ***expectation*** of sex in an institution designed to encompass heterosexual intercourse is a whole lot different than implying that marriage means you pin the likkle woman down by her throat, rip her panties off and dry penetrate her. However, saying that she has the unilateral right to control all sexual access – even to the point of zero, also says that marriage is FRAUD. I don’t “buy” cars I have to ask permission to drive either.

    Don’t be a jackass and create strawman’s out of nowhere, fuckwad.

    In the past, a man would be able to smoke you in the mouth for being a fucking jackass, without legal penalty – and that certainly should be brought back.

    We already have re-introduced slavery, moron. It is called no-fault divorce, multiplied by imputed income, divided by dead-beat dad incarceration. What planet did you grow up on, mangina?

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  351. […] Renegade: Virginity Is More Important To Men Than Women Would Admit and Pickup Reenactment Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Locus of ControlLocus of […]

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  352. Nicole,

    I’m not sure if it’s such a great idea to equalize the chastity demand for men and women. It’s better to advise males to avoid potentially entrapping situations that would kill their chances of acquiring a decent woman when one comes along.

    In order for that to happen at ground level, to some degree, chastity must be discouraged in men. To keep civil balance, a male’s natural right to escape or branch out must be protected. Otherwise, women have no real world motivation to stay in line.

    I might currently be on the slow bus lol because I’m not understanding the connection. Why don’t you believe that women can stay in line if chastity was also encouraged in males? How will male chastity cause women to obtain all this power you speak of?

    In order to keep a man, we are supposed to have to foster enough sentimental and sexual attachment to stay interesting to him. This is how it works in the jungle, and how it’ll work in town.

    Yes, I understand this in regards to keeping a man, but I don’t understand why it’s SO important for men to be able to have as much sex as they want if desired, or why it’s ok. I’ve read reasons on this board and on sites like the Spearhead, but either they sounded like excuses or more like becoming the lowest denominator in order to fit in and be excepted.

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  353. Höllenhund,

    Female chastity is generally valued by society but male chastity is generally devalued, even mocked by society so that’d never work.

    And that sucks, because I see nothing wrong with male chastity. A guy can be attractive without having numerous notches under his belt.
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    Jerry,

    Male Abusers *Often* Sabotage Birth Control

    http://news.health.com/2010/01/25/male-abusers-often-sabotage-birth-control-partners/

    Feminists in the media basically slamming clueless Beta males for wanting to have families (article is about deceit but ultimately the article is about feminist women not wanting families with the men they have sex with).

    Jerry, I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Wanting to have families is one thing, sabotaging birth control (on top of abuse) is a whole other thing altogether. And anyway, there are plenty of men who don’t want families at that time with the women they have sex with.

    In other words, you’re grasping straws here.

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  354. Renee,

    a man has to gain sexual experience in order to truly become attractive to women. Male sexual experience is valued by society and women (see: female pre-selection) but female sexual experience isn’t.

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  355. on August 22, 2010 at 3:57 am Christoper Ryan

    @thunear

    “Nonsense. I can’t see how you think our ancestors who were smart enough to identify food sources, movement of animals, and memorise epic poems, make weapons, create art, have sophisticated burial rites and so on, couldn’t work out that nine months after a shag out popped a baby. Even in the earliest literature we have ( gilgamesh, sanskrit epics ) the link between sex and babies was so clear, it wasn’t worth mentioning.”

    The link between sex and babies, and most importantly paternity, was certainly clear to human societies which had already domesticated animals, and invented a written language. This is irrelevant, though, since these societies existed yesterday in terms of our biological history. The people I am talking about existed for the other 190k years of human history, and to these people these concepts weren’t clear.

    There is a long list of immediate return hunter gatherer societies we have discovered in the Amazon, Pacific Islands, and Africa who still believe in partial paternity to this day. Some believe a baby is an accumulation of the semen of many men. It is very common in these kinds of cultures for children to call every elder male in the tribe their father. Think of the survival advantage of such a system, though.

    “In any case, this flies in the face of common sense. You seem to have forgotten the powerful emotion of jealousy which is present to a huge extent in both sexes and would have stopped most orgies before they even got started.”

    It amazes me that as a reader of Roissy in DC you can confuse sex and love. In either case, you seem to forget the role of culture and social pressure in discouraging and encouraging conformity and behavior. In many tribal societies there is strong pressure to discourage possessive and jealous behavior, such as ritualized mate sharing and swapping. Just like our society today discourages anger and violence pretty successfully through its institutions, prehistoric societies needed to rely on sharing of nearly everything to survive, from food , shelter, child care, and sex, and we see this in their institutions. This is not noble savage shit. These behaviors are practical for foraging societies and even necessary adaptations to their environment.

    Paternity was nowhere near as cut and dry in highly promiscuous mating systems which have never domesticated animals. Most of human beings in history in other words.

    You really only need to look at the anatomy of male and female genitalia and orgasms to see that men and women are BUILT for gangbanging. Men come quickly. women build up over time and have multiple sequential orgasms. This huge difference seems like a tragic design flaw, unless you consider what I am saying.

    Consider the shape of the human penis. It is enormous. The thick head is like a plunger, it pulls back existing semen every time it is pulled outward. ( This has been reproduced in the lab, btw) The complexities of sperm competition make for a much longer post than I can commit to, but look them up. What I meant when I said that women select their mates on a cellular level, I meant to say they select the sperm which can fertilize their limited eggs on a cellular level. Their minds might say they want alpha, but the alpha’s sperm is not a guaranteed immunological match for that particular woman.

    How else would these adaptations come about if not for competition in an environment which is highly promiscuous? Just like our closest, equidistant genetic relatives the chimpanzee and bonobo. We live in multi-male, multi-female sexual bonding structures.

    All I’m saying is we need to stop turning our analysis of prehistory into the flinstones. Projecting our patterns of living on societies which evolve in radically different material conditions is retarded. Societies which were highly promiscuous, and did not settle, did accumulate wealth and transfer it along paternal lines, likely did not give a fuck about the things Roissy is saying are an ancient biological imperative.

    Humans, Chimps, and Bonobos are multi-male, multi-female promiscuous systems with highly evolved systems of sperm competition. We are not monogamous, and we are certainly not polygynous. If we were polygynous we would be twice the size of our females, and we wouldn’t have such enormous ball sacks which blew massive loads, because our sperm would not need to compete. We’d have tiny dicks ( relatively speaking ) and we’d give a tiny squirt.

    Read my book. Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality

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  356. […] Here‘s a recent example from Roissy’s blog. The slut shaming on Roissy’s blog and elsewhere is part of an agenda to curb female power. […]

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  357. Rob “Saying that there is an ***expectation*** of sex in an institution designed to encompass heterosexual intercourse is a whole lot different than implying that marriage means you pin the likkle woman down by her throat, rip her panties off and dry penetrate her.”

    Marital rape laws have nothing to do with the “exceptation of sex,” they simply stipulate that it is illegal to rape your wife. The statement that marital rape laws “say that there is no expectation of sex to occur within marriage” means the same thing as “if I can’t rape my wife, I can’t have any sex.”

    “Don’t be a jackass and create strawman’s out of nowhere, fuckwad.”

    Isn’t that what you’re doing by presenting the law as something it’s not?

    “In the past, a man would be able to smoke you in the mouth for being a fucking jackass, without legal penalty – and that certainly should be brought back.”

    I’m shaking in my boots, Internet Tough Guy.

    “We already have re-introduced slavery, moron. It is called no-fault divorce, multiplied by imputed income, divided by dead-beat dad incarceration. What planet did you grow up on, mangina?”

    I am obviously talking about actual slavery, and not the imaginary kind.

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  358. @Renee

    And anyway, there are plenty of men who don’t want families at that time with the women they have sex with.

    In other words, you’re grasping straws here.

    Whether Jerry is grasping at straws is debatable, but what a mighty straw… woman you have there!

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  359. Renee, I’m speaking in the context of what is good for civilization. A civilized culture must have a hierarchy of authority, and rank should have its privileges.

    In order to maintain dominance, men cannot be trapped. If male chastity is enforced, then the men are essentially trapped with the women of their culture and chained to the institution of marriage, how ever that culture defines it.

    Men should have the option to say it’s their way or the highway, and the real world ability to make that so. When they don’t have that, marriage is a bad deal or a trap.

    Men are less attached to the monogamy and family life thing than women. In order to keep them around, a culture has to take that fact of nature into account, and figure out how to make it work in the culture’s favor.

    Since women need men to protect them from other men, it behooves us to give them the amount of respect it takes to keep them around.

    So there has to be a way, within the civilized society, for men to get their sexual needs met. If not, they will leave the society or resort to things the culture would deem unacceptable or criminal to get them met.

    Men will not stop having sex just because the “respectable” women hold sex for ransom. Women who love men are also not going to stop having sex because of that either. They’ll just become not respectable.

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  360. Contrarian,

    “Marital rape laws have nothing to do with the “exceptation of sex,” they simply stipulate that it is illegal to rape your wife. The statement that marital rape laws “say that there is no expectation of sex to occur within marriage” means the same thing as “if I can’t rape my wife, I can’t have any sex.”

    Don’t be absurd. Marriage is intended to encompass sexual intercourse. In fact, a marriage is not “consumated” until the penis has entered the vagina… and in fact, in the past if the female refused to have intercourse after marriage, the entire thing could be annulled. Marriage is ***about*** sex, and marital rape laws indicate that there is ***never*** an obligation to have sex within marriage, but it is solely the ***choice*** of the female 100% of the time – just as it is within dating. So essentially, you are trying to say that there is zero difference between dating/courtship and marriage – which is essentially the point – Marriage is voided if “rape” is included within marriage in the same manner it is outside of marriage. If there is no difference, then what IS the purpose of marriage, except to fuck the man out of his last penny without providing him with what he thought he was “buying.”

    Stop taking things to the fucking extreme, like a goddamn non-thinking feminist woman.

    Everybody in the world knows by now that “rape” is such a fucked up term, that it can be used to encompass dozens of actions which don’t even resemble Traditional Rape. To bring the myriad of rape and sexual assault laws into marriage makes marriage 100% non-sexual. As in, there is no expectation of sex within marriage in the same manner that there isn’t within dating/courtship. But, gee, I wonder what people used to mean when they said “marital relations?” Did that mean talking to the marriage counsellor or was “marital relations” another word for, wait for it, “fucking”?

    By the way, moron, saying I have an expectation to drive a car I buy, does not indicate I want to drive it into a tree and damage it, nor does it indicate I won’t maintain and care for it. But I do expect to drive the fucking thing. Just like, within a marriage, no men are not going to pin their wives down and traditionally rape them (jeez, even the Bible talks of this), however, they certainly do and should expect that within marriage, their wives have an obligation to fuck them.

    Isn’t that what you’re doing by presenting the law as something it’s not?

    What did I present wrong, Strawman? Did I not say that this was the legal basis for marriage from the beginning right up until the 1860’s when the suffragettes lobbied to have presumed father custody changed to presumed mother custody under the Tender Years Doctrine (btw, this is the point where divorce rates began to rise, and have not yet really stopped). Is not marriage 2.0 a complete abomination of marriage 1.0 – to the point that, because of both marital rape laws and the removal of presumed father custody, there is actually nothing left of the benefits of which a man actually signed on for, and yet, the disadvantages of marriage (paying, putting up with a harpy for a wife) have been intensified a thousand fold. It’s like car dealerships raising the monthly payments on their cars by a factor of two, and also writing into law that there is not even an obligation of the dealership to provide an actual car to the people who have actually paid for it. Gee… how long do you think it will be before nobody buys their cars anymore?

    And, dipshit, child support laws indicate that if you do not work for the benefit of others to a degree specified by others you will be punished in harshest way the state can: Incarceration.

    Sounds like slavery to me, and to lots of other men as well.

    Nice job being so politically correct though.

    You are an arrow that will shot far in our inept, bureaucratic sham of a society, where thinking is a hindrance while blind sloganeering of politically correct catch phrases slingshots you to the front of the queue.

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  361. Morsellaux,

    Whether Jerry is grasping at straws is debatable, but what a mighty straw… woman you have there!

    How is that a strawman, or straw woman?

    This is what Jerry said,
    Feminists in the media basically slamming clueless Beta males for wanting to have families (article is about deceit but ultimately the article is about feminist women not wanting families with the men they have sex with).

    I pointed out that not wanting to have a family with the people you sleep with isn’t just found in women. Anyway, for Jerry to have gotten the above quote out of that article (how does he know that the women in question are “feminist women”) about abuse in relationships and the abusers sabotaging birth control is pretty ridiculous.

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  362. Rob “Marriage is ***about*** sex, and marital rape laws indicate that there is ***never*** an obligation to have sex within marriage, but it is solely the ***choice*** of the female 100% of the time – just as it is within dating.”

    And that’s exactly how it should be.

    “Stop taking things to the fucking extreme, like a goddamn non-thinking feminist woman.”

    I am only stating what the law means. That’s hardly “extreme.”

    “Everybody in the world knows by now that “rape” is such a fucked up term, that it can be used to encompass dozens of actions which don’t even resemble Traditional Rape.”

    Yes, but I don’t see what that has to do with this.

    “To bring the myriad of rape and sexual assault laws into marriage makes marriage 100% non-sexual. As in, there is no expectation of sex within marriage in the same manner that there isn’t within dating/courtship.”

    And now you’re back to arguing that without rape there can be no sex. That’s what you are saying, whether you realize it or not.

    “Just like, within a marriage, no men are not going to pin their wives down and traditionally rape them (jeez, even the Bible talks of this), however, they certainly do and should expect that within marriage, their wives have an obligation to fuck them. ”

    Cool, so what does that have to do with marital rape laws? If you’re not going to rape your wife either way, then it shouldn’t make any difference to you whether the law is there or not.

    “Sounds like slavery to me, and to lots of other men as well.”

    Don’t get married then.

    “Nice job being so politically correct though.”

    So factually stating that slavery has been abolished is… political correctness. I see.

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  363. Mr. Ryan,

    my knowledge of ancient human history is admittedly limited but AFAIK the promiscuous sexual system that you describe in your book only existed – and, in my opinion, only could HAVE existed – in pre-agricultural egalitarian hunter-gatherer communes which knew neither private property nor wealth accumulation. Women in such communities probably found all the men in the community roughly equal in sexual attractiveness since overall there were negligible differences among men in terms of physical abilities and wealth (as there was no personal wealth).

    Civilization was made possible by the invention of agriculture, the domestication of animals and (later) the rise of trade and industry, all of which inexorably and inevitably lead to massive inequality among men in wealth, power and thus social status. If women in such a system are given sexual freedom they will inevitably compete for and cluster around the few men of the highest social status and most men are then left with no sex and female companionship at all, which in turn gives them no incentives whatsoever to maintain that system.

    In other words, it is impossible to practice Paleolithic promiscuity and maintain a complex civilization at the same time.

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  364. on August 22, 2010 at 6:47 pm Cristoper Ryan

    Höllenhund,

    Read my book, that is precisely the point we make. All of the things we declare as human nature in order to justify war, starvation, jealousy, greed, are actually just adaptations to the biggest mistake our race ever made. Agriculture and private property.

    Civilization would not be possible without them, and we might not be as bad off as we think if we lost civilization.

    [Editor: There is no jealousy among modern day hunter gatherers? There is no violence among them? No tribal warfare? No greed?
    And if agriculture was such a mistake, why isn’t anyone in the West clamoring for a return to grass hut living?]

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  365. Forget the practical reasons to want a virgin. Just think of the fact that no man has plowed her vagina jammed his fingers in it, only to have her walking towards the bathroom with jizz dripping from her pussy and or lips. The average woman has done this multiple times with multiple guys. Some have even taped it. THose that say the past is the past wouldnt feel that way if they ever saw one of their woman’s sex tapes. And getting grossed out at her previous sexual acts just cause you saw them is dumb, since those actions still happened just the same if she didnt tape them. If you want to bang western/american women make sure they get a full screen std test and have fun “enlightening” them, while you scout other countries for a young virgin to marry.

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  366. “All of the things we declare as human nature in order to justify war, starvation, jealousy, greed, are actually just adaptations to the biggest mistake our race ever made. Agriculture and private property.”

    I’ll rather take agriculture and private property and rein women in, thanks.

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  367. on August 22, 2010 at 8:18 pm Cristoper Ryan

    Just don’t get butt hurt when your girl cheats on you with two or three men at the same time

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  368. Agriculture is a huge mistake and we adapted to that by justifying starvation? Apparently there is something to be learned everyday.

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  369. on August 22, 2010 at 8:24 pm David Collard

    Christopher Ryan

    I think you are missing my earlier point. Humans don’t have to understand the mechanics of fertility and paternity intellectually for their behaviour to be genetically influenced by them. I am sorry I did not make my point clearer. Animals behave in ways that imply kin selection, assess fertility, establish dominance, and so on; all without intellectual understanding. The human species is probably the same. A lot of this goes on at a subcognitive or precognitive level.

    It is also a myth that hunter-gatherers did not engage in warfare and interpersonal violence. Australian aborigines did both.

    Are you aware of any data that suggest that men do not select women for youth and fertility in hunter-gatherer groups?

    On another topic, a wife will inevitably try at some stage to cut off the supply of sex. Many years of experience have taught me the infallible way to cure this. Withdraw affection. If a woman won’t provide marital sex, the man must cease to be her husband – socially and emotionally – for as long as it takes.

    In other words, he has to reestablish his “alpha” credentials.

    She may, literally, screech at him for a day. He must not buckle. Women are insane a fair bit of the time, and a man must never accede to their insanity.

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  370. on August 22, 2010 at 8:29 pm Cristoper Ryan

    Roissy,

    Since when is whatever the people at walmart are clamoring for a solid metric to determine what is or isn’t good for humanity?

    [Editor: Where did I say people of walmart would be the only ones not clamoring for a return to grass huts? As far as I can tell, the subset of people who want a return to pre-agriculture civilizational norms is a small one.
    and btw, you’re not the real christopher ryan.]

    Read my book. It is very relevant to the things you write about.

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  371. “Just don’t get butt hurt when your girl cheats on you with two or three men at the same time”

    What part of “reining women in” didn’t you understand? The current rotting, decadent Western culture is unique in its tolerance and even encouragement of such behavior and it will soon be condemned to the scrapheap of history. I’d rather beat every single cheating whore to death with an iron rod than to see the civilization that our forefathers built crumble into dust.

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  372. on August 22, 2010 at 8:33 pm Cristoper Ryan

    Read the book guys. Your feeble arguments are dealt with with ease.

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  373. Christopher,
    We would not be able to support the population of people we have now without agriculture. No private property laws would also create major chaos. Basically a lot of people would have to die off to go back to a hunter gatherer society. It does seem like a cool way of life, but I very likely wouldn’t survive to see it.

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  374. on August 22, 2010 at 9:13 pm David Collard

    Oh come on, Christopher. You have said nothing in reply to my remarks. I am not wholly ignorant of these issues. If you won’t even begin a sketch of a response, why should we take you seriously – or read your book?

    Show me that you can think and provide an argument.

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  375. david collard:

    My wife sometimes complains that she finds sex boring, but I tell her that her wet vagina would beg to differ.

    On rape, my wife has hinted at this once or twice, but rape, even play rape, does not turn me on.

    your wife is cheating on you.

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  376. on August 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm Christopher Ryan

    David,

    Honestly didn’t even see your posts. But to be honest, your argument hardly deviates from the standard Evo-Psych narrative which I call the Flinstonization of Prehistory. All of your points receive their proper treatment in my book, and I promise if you read it you will come away thinking differently. If not I will offer you a full refund and compensate you for your time.

    Thanks.

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  377. […] Roissy – “Girlfriend Got a Dog“, “Virginity is More Important to Men than Women Would Admit” […]

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  378. Forget the practical reasons to want a virgin. Just think of the fact that no man has plowed her vagina jammed his fingers in it, only to have her walking towards the bathroom with jizz dripping from her pussy and or lips. The average woman has done this multiple times with multiple guys. Some have even taped it. THose that say the past is the past wouldnt feel that way if they ever saw one of their woman’s sex tapes. And getting grossed out at her previous sexual acts just cause you saw them is dumb, since those actions still happened just the same if she didnt tape them. If you want to bang western/american women make sure they get a full screen std test and have fun “enlightening” them, while you scout other countries for a young virgin to marry.

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  379. Chris, nobody is flintstonizing pre history. They’re just saying that civilization was pro adaptive, not maladaptive, and therefore, not a mistake.

    If civilizations are maintained properly, even something as technically unnatural as monogamy can be maintained within sane enough limits to assure paternity most of the time. No system is going to be perfect, but hunter-gatherer was grossly imperfect.

    When infrastructures fall, and they do, the farmers become the elite. Some of the more “primitive” cultures that survive today even rank farmers, fishers, and herders above even warriors.

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  380. Nicole, right on. Maybe not on tropical islands where one can pick coconuts , but in moderate climates, food production becomes paramount. A hungry, emaciated warrior is not worth much.

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  381. on August 24, 2010 at 6:14 am David Collard

    sam

    Precisely. Men who marry non-virgins must lack imagination. When I fuck my wife, I invade her body in the most intimate way imaginable. The thought that another man had done this to her before I met her would be unbearable for me.

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  382. David
    Yea i know what you mean its hard to see something as precious if everyone had easy access to it. If 8 men before you fucked her and didnt commit why doesn’t the next guy do the same? I come from a conservative culture, where my parents grew up they have feminine submissive women that cook clean and aim to actually please, and their way thinner. Growing up in the states its like a mirage seeing thin, attractive women behave that way.

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  383. on August 28, 2010 at 3:58 am Blessent mon coeur

    Virginity is important. Suck. On. That.

    Meanwhile, mock, or true, harkening back 300-3,000 years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFaOU1i9pFo

    Or maybe they made all that shit up?

    Dramatic though, you will admit?

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  384. I’m glad to have married a virgin.

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  385. […] and graph should convince you is that there are solid biological and sociological reasons why men place higher value on virgin women, and this fact is immutable regardless of the handwaving by the polyamory crowd. Sluts are simply […]

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  386. Of all the things in this world, men need only one thing. A sense of authority. A feeling of importance. If women are not ready to give it, there is no use making men read pages after pages about what women want. Having said that, there is a sense of pride in deflowering a woman than copulating a woman who has had previous experience. Virginity is important because of ego. Men need ego boost and being capable of copulating a virgin boosts their ego like anything. Further, as someone said before, the man needs his woman to be his. That is again part of the male ego that craves for constant recognition. Broadmindedness is an illusion and a highly relative one. Ultimately the ego will come out one day. To conclude, no woman can blame if a man demands virginity of her. It is the way men are.

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  387. Virgins at marriage won’t ever divorce in over 9 cases of 10. It’s been proven.

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  388. Double standards much? Who do you think other alphas have been sleeping with? The biddable village bike in front of you now. If you want virgins, don’t fuck around. There’s no Virgin megastore.

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