Men Aren’t Attracted to High-Earning Women

The feminist and equalist gatekeepers of discourse are getting nervous that their house of lies is about to crumble in on them, thanks to the yeoman efforts of the alt-sphere. You can tell the heat is on them by the fevered pitch with which they churn out their copy, rife more than ever with sloppy logic, appeals to emotion and propaganda masquerading as fact.

An exemplar of this indisciplined genre is this Time article asserting that men are attracted to high-earning women, authored by Liza Mundy. The basis of her claim is the Hamilton Project which, she says, shows that men are more attracted to high-earning women.

Mundy makes the classic category errors of her type:

1. She conflates the marriage market with the sexual/dating market.

While there is overlap between the two markets, men bring to bear an adjusted set of criteria upon potential marriage partners. For instance, men will value chasteness and a low partner count history in marriage material women more than they will value those things in a sexual fling. (More tellingly, men tend to value looseness in short-term sexual prospects.) Men may also make cold, unemotional calculations that a woman of means can give their layabout asses a better life. For these reasons, plus more, the hottest woman a man meets is not necessarily the one he will wind up marrying. Often, men will marry out of expediency or a growing sense of weariness with the dating grind (it is a grind for a lot of men who don’t have the game to handle the particular challenges of dealing with lots of women on a regular basis).

2. She assumes men have unlimited options are are therefore marrying exactly the women they most desire.

If the highest income women are marrying at higher rates than the “bottom” 90% of women (and that’s a pretty big bottom), it does not necessarily follow from that statistic that the men those high-earning women marry are attracted to their marital choices. Or that the women are attracted, either. It could just as well be the case that those men are settling for aging, high SES women who are themselves letting up the gas on their hypergamy and relenting to the internal pressure to marry before they hit their physical expiry, a pressure which will be much more acute for women after a decade of higher education and career building.

3. She thinks that marriage is proof of physical attraction for men.

Again, there is nothing special about signing on the dotted nuptial line that reveals men’s raw desire better than their incorruptible boner reflexes. If (and that’a big “if”) men are marrying high-earning women at higher rates than they are marrying low income women, it could mean that one or both parties are settling to avoid loneliness, that lower income women are spurning men who want to marry them, that high income women are relaxing their standards for marriage, or that men are coerced by social conditions into marrying for reasons other than physical attraction or even love. It could be all of the above. If Mundy were truly interested to know which women high value men are attracted to, which women those in-demand men most DESIRE, she would strap a plethysmograph on a sample of men and measure their dick turgidity as they eat dinner with, talk to, and make out with hot poor babes and plain wealthy women.

Any guesses what that data would show? Mundy? *crickets*

4. She misrepresents the data.

The best I saved for last. Go to the link to that Hamilton Project study and read it for yourself. You’ll notice something peculiar; specifically, the graphs don’t mesh with her interpretation.

First, the marriage rates for men ages 30-50 in the top 10% of earnings are down to 83% today, from 95% in 1970. Fewer men of all income groups are getting married. If men are attracted to high-earning women, why aren’t more men getting married to the larger pool of these high earning women, a pool that has grown substantially since 1970? One theory: Educated, high earning women are the upgraded trophy second wives of divorced men. A smaller group of older, high status men are churning through a larger group of careerist women. Say hello to our brand new, serial monogamy, r-selection society.

Second, the graph for “Change in share of women married, by earnings, 1970-2011” shows that every income group of women, except for the top 1% of earners, experienced a decrease in marriage rates. Even the top 5% saw a decrease, albeit a smaller decrease than that experienced by women in the bottom 85% of earners. If men are attracted to high-earning women, then why are women in the upper quintile of earnings — real catches to men, according to Mundy’s theory — seeing a decrease in their odds of getting married?

The bottom line is that women’s earnings have only an indirect effect on men’s mate choices; namely, the higher a woman’s income, (and this goes just as much for women who went from zero income to minimum wage), the smaller her psychologically acceptable pool of prospective mates. And we see this reflected in the actual data, (as opposed to the data Mundy perceives). The top 1% of female earners are the only group of women who have seen a rise in marriage rates, and the explanation for this lies less in men’s physical attraction for them than in cultural forces, governed by underlying biological rhythms, altering the landscape of the marriage partner hunt.

The evidence for a direct effect of women’s earnings on men’s attraction is scant, and where such evidence exists, it tends to show that men are TURNED OFF by women who make more than themselves. At best, the direct effect on men of women’s high income is like lingerie on a dog — funny to think about, but completely neutral as a penis stimulant. At worst, a high income can actually hurt a woman’s chances with men, especially men who don’t make as much as her, and she will be exposed to men who use her for the lifestyle while saving their true animal lusts for the hot, poor ass on the side.

A comment by a high-earning woman to that Time article strikes me as an accurate portrayal of the reality on the ground for her kind:

scoutmom

Sorry Time, but as a single woman who makes well over 150k, I don’t buy this story for a second. In my personal experience, yes, I could easily go out there and get married. But, not to anyone I would consider a truly equal partner. In this recession, I’ve seen many men see me just as a meal ticket. It’s not that they are intimidated (well there’s a few of the insecure ones out there), but mostly they see me as someone who can solve all their financial problems. Here’s a profile of the last few guys who either asked me out or I went on a date with:

1. Stock boy at an office supply store – Um, at 42, don’t you think you should be doing something else with your life? And no, he didn’t lose his successful job elsewhere and had to take this. He considered this his career and marijana his hobby.

2. Father of 4 kids (that was OK with me) and had over 78k of credit card debt. He made it clear he was looking for a “financially stable woman to help him out.” Sorry sweetie, I’m no one’s sugar mama.

3. Elementary school PE teacher who never wanted to be more than that. I was actually really into him and we dated for a while, but in the end, when he found out how much I made, he couldn’t handle it and broke up with me.

4. A man who paid 42% of all his earnings to child support and alimony and was about to lose his job. I actually thought he was a cool guy and was OK to date him until he said, “well, I was really worried about losing my job and not being able to pay my mortgage and alimony, but now that you and I are together, I know I’ll be safe.” And FYI – he said this while downing 14 drinks in a bar on our second date. Nuff said.

These are just some of the situations that a successful woman who lives in Southern California is dealing with. And for those of you out there who think me not viable to date for other reasons, I am considered attractive by most people, and I used to do some modelling in my younger days. I am now 37, own my own 550k house, a car, portfolio, great relationships with friends and family and have an active social life. I just refuse to take on a partner who isn’t my equal in some way. I really don’t care how much money you make, but don’t expect me to pay for your financial mistakes or have to take care of a man who is mentally a little boy.

So, like the article says, I hide my career and income from men and dating profiles. It just makes me a target. I do not see this trend changing any time soon. Maybe I’ll try dating again when the economy gets better?

A target. That, Mzzzz Mundy, is a better descriptor of the kind of attraction some men have for high-earning women. Rich women aren’t lust objects; they’re prey objects. And the likelihood of being preyed upon is directly proportional to the rich woman’s ugliness.





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  1. Many men are golddiggers who list a high paying career as a huge plus.
    Particularly in the $100k-$250k corporate middle mgr flunky strata.
    These men want to live the SWPL lifestyle, but can’t provide it on under $250k.
    These guys deliberately seek out women with high paying careers.
    I know MANY single men who do this, once they hit their mid 30s.

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    • +250k needed for SWPL status?, I dont think SWPL means what you think it means

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      • SWPL life gets lots more expensive for the 30+, not to mention 40+ crowd, than for the 20 something trustafarians who invented the term.

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 11:04 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      and converted from future wifvfvfves, motehrs, and exalted regal grandmotherrz

      into deosuled, harggard transferesz of wealth for bernanke et al., hawking subprime loans in short skirts zlzoozo

      tempting and taking

      usieng their ass to seizing assetts by da entitlement mentality dey were indoctricnated iwth zlzozzlzozl

      but ass thier ass grows fatter, da assettss dey can sezie fade away

      and dey find themselves alone with catz, at da end of da day zlozlzoz

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 11:06 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

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      den she won’t make a gooz winfe no no no nolzozozlzlzzozo

      when you’re on a date know taht the girl is working for the federal reserve & during destert that is ben bernanke or tucker max she is texting… or maybe me lzozllzllzlz

      last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

      i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
      gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
      texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
      i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

      lzozllzllzlzlzl

      when you’re on a date know taht the girl is working for the federal reserve as she is trying 2 get you to pay for gaining access to the pussy she gave away for free lots in college when she was younger hotter tighter during all the mandatory pre-cats-spinsterhood prima noctae deosuling sessions, in teh same way the fed gets you to bail out the banks who just gambled your pensions savings away when they were younger hooter tighter… or somethihnng… you get my drift .. unless you are a betadipshit lzozlzlzl

      lozlzllzlzllz

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      so when you are out with a womenz buying her dinner chances are

      0) she is working for the fed lzozlzl what do you think law shcool business school trains womenz 2 do? to serve teh almighty fiat dollar above all else lzozllzzl and use buzzwords and short skirts to convert fiat debt into physical welath and property as teh fiat debt trickles on down and the phsyical wleath ghushes on up lzozlzlllzlzl ever wonder why goldman sax rhymes with tucker max & gets richer and richer as poeple get poorer and poorer and teh national debt grows and grows? someone must be spenidng the money that is augmenting the debt for everyone else lzozllzz and that would be goldman sachs and the warfare and welfare states it funds, alongside fmeinism, which denies a women her greater chance for glorya nd story and uses her temptress wiles to help the fiat masters convert fiat debt into property lzozlzlzl. poor ladies they end up butter and alone and soulless with cats as teh fed goes lzozlzlzlzlllzllzlzlzlzl women’s right to choose!!
      1) someone had her hotter younger tighter for free and you are now buying her dinner
      2) she was deosuled in secrteive tpaings of assoccking sessions taped without her conthent which the neocns are fond of lzozlzll
      3) when she texts during dinner she is setting up plans for a midnight assocking sessiomn with an alpha who creates welath from thin air someone like the head of the fed who wires it to goldman sax which rhymes witgh tucker max lozlzllzlzl who gets book deals from women-riun publishing houses like simon ans shcuster lzolzlzl because tehy dleight in his debt-creating debuachery-creating art succeth of losing ten million on a twelve million film as well as his asscocking sessions and secretiev tapings of butthex iwthout their girlsths contehnt which he publishes for both neocon pleaseure and profit lzozlzllz
      4) if you do get married 2 her there is a fifty percent chance it will end in divroce. lolzlzl would you get on airplane if it crashed 50% of the time? lzozlzllzlzlo hell no!! and what if, after it crashed bevcause your wife was fucking some biker drummer mba in teh cockpit (as he put his cock in her cock pit lzozlzl), what if after she cuased it to crash, you had to give her half your assets and begin paying for past use of her pussy? lzozllzllzlzl plus by going down once the plane will have gone down more times than your wife once she is married–dats a joke! lzozlzllzllz
      5) 2/3 to 3/4 of womenz initiate divorce as it transfers a mans assett s to teh fed/divorce regime as womenz are trianed to do in school with promises of her ex husband having to pay alimonies for past use of a pussy and fund and reward her further asscocking sessions tthat hshe hand’t had since college but whcih she missed dearly lzozlzlzloz (once back never back! lzozlzl or once in the back door, nver back! or you make your own joke here lzozllzlzzl i hate puns) she will get full rights 2 the kids and take them with her for her array of step boyfirends/fathers 2 abuse as abuse skyrockets in fmailies where the real dad is absent lzozlzlzlzlzllz, which is why the fiat neooncs detest fatherhood and the heoric spriit zlozllzlzl and love womenz who “tame men” lzozlzlzl and keep them from accessing tehir Natural Rights lzozlzl
      6) rising womenz generlaly make more than men these days as they are paid in fiat dollars which really only create debt and so it is that womenz excel at creating debt and they call this wokr lzolzllzlzlzl so let them buy some fiat dinners and drinks with their fiat dollarz lzozlzll

      seriously do u guys still date?

      i mean i love the laides but they look down on guys who ask them out. lzozllzlzlzlzl

      last chcik i hooked up with shared this rap with me:

      i gots my fiat cash from ben bernake,
      gettin’ my dinner from the herb beta,
      texting GBFM for a midnight spank me,
      i don’t butthex, but i’m no playa hata

      lzozllzllzlzlzl

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 11:12 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      “These are just some of the situations that a successful woman who lives in Southern California is dealing with. And for those of you out there who think me not viable to date for other reasons, I am considered attractive by most people, and I used to do some modelling in my younger days. I am now 37, own my own 550k house, a car, portfolio, great relationships with friends and family and have an active social life. I just refuse to take on a partner who isn’t my equal in some way. I really don’t care how much money you make, but don’t expect me to pay for your financial mistakes or have to take care of a man who is mentally a little boy.”

      lozozlzl what she is saying is dat ben bernake wired her $550,000 of fiat dollarz for her work in augment debt and debuachery annd spearheaidng da delcine of da west zlzozozo

      womenz are such selloutz zlzozozlzo

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      • please speak proper or even half arse freaking english.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 1:59 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lzozooz

        as soon as i cn afford spellechex on my computerz

        i am goinglgz to apply

        to wirte for da

        weekeekly standardth zlzoozzl

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      • You will never get published.

        Wen a new post appears on my reader, I read, laugh, cry, scroll down to the comments, skip until I see lozlzlllzzllzlzllz

        Don’t get spellcheck. I’ll accidentally skip your .02

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 12:31 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzoozlzozozlz

      “da professional womenz ode”

      alpha fucks and beta bucks
      dat is how we roll
      da butthexting cockass we fucks and sucks
      and in our anuthes it doth deosul
      alpha fucks and beta bucks
      it is da way of da fed
      to transfer assetss to dose who butthext
      cuckold dose who pay for our bread
      beta bucks and alpha fucks
      it’s what day teach us we;’re entitled too
      da assetts from betas we plucks
      after da alphas desol us through our hole for poo
      lzozozlzzolzlzlzlz
      cuckold da betas cockhold da alphas
      datsz what day taught us in mba grad school
      as da feiisnsits see no truth nor justice in their laws
      and say da great books for menz was all fools.
      yes, yes, i did very good on my gmats
      dey bernenakifed my soul away, left me with cats

      zlzlzzozozozo

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 12:33 pm Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        lozlzozz

        I LUV TALING TO MYSELF BEAVSUCE I UNDETRSNAD ME BESTSTETST SLZzozozolzozo

        lozozzozlzozlz

        da federal reserve and da womenz are similar beast

        lzozozzz

        dey both bail out assfucking assfuckers with beta bucks zlozzoozzlzl

        da fed says it is there to prevent inflation
        it creates it zlozozzozoz
        da womenz say day are der waiting for a good man
        day offer der buttonholes to secretive tapesers of butthex like tucker max whys with goldman sax lzozlzozoz’

        both the fed and womenz encourage assholery and fund and finance assholery and support assholery with their buttonholes, ginaholes, and fiat dollars

        den, both da fed and womenz say, “wo unto us! there is too much corruption in da world!” and day legislate against good men and create feminist studies programs to 1) teach them how to get buttcocked by bucckiiking buttcockers who oft tape it secretly like tucker max hryeme with goldman sax and 2) then go forth and buttock der men in divorce court, in child support, in sexual harrraassment lawssusitsss zlzozozl

        the fed funded the womenz womemeovement and da ebernankifictaion of womenz thand deosuling of womenz thought their anuthholes to con convert womenz into mechanisms means of wleathtranferz zlzozlzlzl

        HARVARD UNIVERSITY JUST INTRODUCED A NEW COURSE!!

        Upper-Level Feminist Business 401: During the semester we will learn how to optimize Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks, as we are buttcoked by “alphas” and then go forth into the corporate-state to buttcock betas out of their assettsts (buttcocking their asstettss so to speak lzozlzoz) buttcoki dem outta der assettts in divorce curt, entitle progapms, corproate sexual harrassment suits, and guilting betas and gelding them with the “pay gap” myth. We will transfer teh assetts to the central banks and bernankifiers for teh centyral banks can only create debt-based fiat dollarz which are worth less than nothing, and thus need d awomenz movement to go forth and buttcock and guilt betas into working working working for a hope to lick our std-addled, strecthed-out bungholes lzozlzololzozo. We will examine why betas do not like this setup, and how we can shame them into marriage and slaving away in corproate jobs while we cock hold the alphas and cukhold da betas zlzololzlzlozozololzlzolz. homework will consist of getting buttcocked by a buttccker while mainitaing a roster of at least 20 beta oribters to reguallry buy one meals so that they will be well fed for the buttcocking later that evening. this will prepare tda womenz for bigger game, whnce they get betas to buy them homes and cars, and then dun future buttcockings with aplphas via alimony and child support lzzllzzlzozozozozo. sample exam questions will be, “what does tucker butthexter max wheym with? klzozolzolzolzo

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  2. You should also mention that for a high-earning man, a high-earning woman is less likely to be able to command a high alimony settlement. A lot of doctors I know insist on a career woman for a wife for just this reason. They tend to have self-made rather than family money, so a settlement can wipe them out.

    This is, ironically, one of the cases where the feminists’ meddling has actually had the desired effect: the financial risk to a man declines as the woman’s earning power increases, making a wealthy woman a desirable mate.

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    • @SFG,

      Bingo!

      My thinking exactly. In that all else being equal – beauty, WHR, wifely – that better to opt for high earning, than not, to insulate against any possible high Custody or Alimony payments. This and having an Alpha attitude should be better than any legal arrangement (pre-nup, offshore assets etc).

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 3:58 am Art Vandelay

        All else being equal is seldom the case, as a high earner tends to be older.

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      • Stressed out women don’t like to fuck as much either. The career woman thing ruins the whole point of marriage for me. I love coming home to my wife and spending as much time with her as I can. A second career would get in the way of that.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 7:52 am Art Vandelay

        Yeah I also wonder what the point of that would be. You come home with your work stress and then her stress gets piled on top of that. Hard to relax.

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      • @Tyrone,

        My wife gets in at 6, me at 7:30. I put my son to bed by 8:30. Then it’s sexy time…

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      • I’m skeptical of that. If it works for you great, but I don’t believe it does at the rate I would need sex or a woman’s devotion. As another poster below put it, if she’s working a career, then she’s not working for you. I shall quote it even, as these words are truly gems:

        “Friends, if your woman is DEDICATED to a career, to working for another man (as opposed to a meaningless job necessary to earn some cash), she is not your woman. Don’t enter into a three party legal contract that includes the monopoly-of-force-wielding state (marriage), whereunder you are not the undisputed sovereign king of your domain (paging GBFM). Life is way too fucking short to be a serf on your own lands”.

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      • @Tyrone,

        She was more careerist when I met her, but having kids has tempered her ambition. She just said recently that she would think about staying home, but wanted the kids to go to a private elementary school – that’s about $40k per child per annum.
        I’ve told her that those places are more expensive than they are worth – so we’ll see. I want the best for my kids too, but not at any price.

        Probably, she’ll go into academia in a few years and work more like 20 hours a week.

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      • Except having an alpha attitude would preclude you from dating any woman over 21.

        So we should be talking about dating the daughters of rich women.

        And manosphere bloggers who like to say that the ripe old age of 22 is when women are at their highest SMV are only compromising with the purveyors of pretty lies.

        Has anyone seen this new post over at the Telegraph that says a study shows that women like to post unflattering photographs of their female friends on Facebook?

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9370465/Women-deliberately-post-ugly-photos-of-friends-online.html

        So much for the Sisterhood.

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      • Internally divisive, externally united.

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      • @Anonymous,

        Good point about dating the daughters of the rich.

        For whatever reason, I seem to have a knack of attracting:
        1. Rich girls
        2. Girls whose fathers were military brass
        3. Girls on the submissive side

        The very first girl I dated in this country – when I was 25 yo – was a 22 yo, solid 8, just graduated Princeton. She’s the one who thought I looked like Tom Cruise ( – though I’m taller, 6′ 1″). After a few dates I visit her place in CT, and she drives me around the area and points to a small, white Congregational church, which she says she wants to get married. The next day she showed me a large house on a hill, which she says she intends to live after she’s married. Problem was, she was reluctant to have sex. Then she tells me that she’s a virgin and won’t have sex till she’s married. So needless to say, I say, “Oh, so never with me then?”. She get’s all coy and asks me if I have thought about marriage and having kids, and I say I have, but not now as I needed to finish college first. So she tells me that we could get married, as she had enough money to support the both of us, while I went to college, and buy her dream home too. So I say, “But let’s just make love now, rather than think of the future?” Then she says that her father was the CEO of some Fortune 10 company, and sits on the Board of 5 others – he was very strict and if he knew she had sex before marriage, she would lose all her inheritance. So I passed on her, and told her we weren’t compatible. She contacted me on FB, almost 20 years later… she had never married.

        I had another experience, somewhat similar, about 2 years later. I was dating a very hot, 9, 19 yo chick from Germany. Tall (5′ 9″), blonde, blue, slim, loved to dance. She was over here on a BS job for a year, mostly to see New York and have fun. I was working a lowly hotel job when we met, and going to college too. A few months later she introduced me to her parents who came to visit her. I got on great with her father, who was in his 60’s and a real Alpha, who liked the fact that I could speak German and knew a lot about Germany. He tells me that he was a sniper on the Russian Front during WW2 and survived. He tells me that his daughter and I should visit them in Munich. He says if I ever wanted to settle in Germany he could help me find a job. Afterwards, I tell my gf that I don’t see how that would work, as I was flat out broke, and had no education. So she tells me that her father is CEO of the second largest bank in Germany, and had told her that I could come with her when her year was up, live with them and work for him – he had no sons. This offer I thought long and hard on, but ultimately rejected, as I wanted to make my way in the world on my own terms.

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      • “I got on great with her father, who was in his 60′s and a real Alpha, who liked the fact that I could speak German and knew a lot about Germany. He tells me that he was a sniper on the Russian Front during WW2 and survived.”

        I miss those guys. Every German like that I ever met was a stud to be respected. That’s how most Waffen SS men I’ve met were. Thoroughly decent, intelligent, determined, I dare say honorable, but capable of ice cold termination of life. Legionaires are similar. BiBi Netanyahu would have been a Waffen SS Officer if he had been born then as a German, only he would be more sincere and look weary. He would have that far away stare when he talked about Russia. Americans who fought in hard combat in the Pacific were also of the same mold.

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      • “to insulate against any possible high Custody or Alimony payments.”

        Alimony, yes, but custody payments? They’re going to be massive regardless. The’yll have you and her fill out the financials, and make a show of fairness, but her income frequently won’t matter that that much in most states. Don’t rely on fairness and logic to protect you, the system is not on the level.

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  3. on July 2, 2012 at 6:22 pm The godfather

    I could care less how much a woman makes. I’m dating a woman right now who makes $100,000 a year and I’m about to dump her. She is very intelligent, but a little to overweight and to introverted. I make around 30 grand a year. You would think a successful woman would have some fire? Oh well, I could care less about money. There needs to be some excitement, hence, goodbye…

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    • Seriously, a more appropriate topic for discussion on this forum would be whether alphas are more attracted to the legal age daughters of rich people than to the daughters of regular people. It should be a given that we’re discussing subjects who are 8 or above on the looks scale and, most likely, under 30. Outside these parameters, we’re only flattering the feminists by giving their nonsense a degree of credibility.

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    • How about the relationship between earning potential (intelligence?) and femininity?

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  4. Scoutmom has proved about half of the points of this site. No one that she would consider a partner who is equal would bother with her. He would be able to get someone younger and hotter.

    Even at SoCal real estate prices, there should be plenty of room in her 550K house for a colony of cats.

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    • Except she sees that as a “trend” that might “change soon”.
      She’s 37, maybe the sexual landscape shaped during the last few million years of human evolution will change right in time for her next birthday.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 9:14 pm AnotherAnon

        “I just refuse to take on a partner who isn’t my equal in some way”, she says. Ummmm, is she so special that there are zero single men who can match her incredible talents and charisma? No, it’s clear that she’s a narcissist… one who is losing sexual market value at an alarmingly fast rate and has conveniently denied this fact.

        Women in their 20s, as long as they are even moderately attractive, have a constant stream of narcissistic supply available to them. It does continue into their early 30s, but the world changes drastically for them in their late 30s and early 40s. I would love to find out where this woman is 10 years from now.

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    • She came close, once. Too bad about the gym teacher. Her standards actually seem reasonable assuming the wall hasn’t demolished her beauty completely.

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  5. “Stock boy at an office supply store – Um, at 42, don’t you think you should be doing something else with your life? And no, he didn’t lose his successful job elsewhere and had to take this. He considered this his career and marijana his hobby.”

    I love the “dont you think i ought be doing something else with your life?” line.

    No sweetheart i dont, I work in a gym and do some personal training to supplement my income, this time of year I also wait tables and bartend at night.

    While im about 10 years younger then the person mentioned above I know many men my age have simply dropped out of the dating scene altogether and have no desire to look back, atleast w/ respect to american women.

    I could care less how much money you make, I will not change my downsized, stress free lifestyle to accomidate your entitled ass.

    Its a funny thing this life, once you decide what you dont want you can focus on what really makes you happy.

    All the money in the world isnt gonna help you find a man nor keep him around. If you are gonna try and understand men you should really dispense w/ the “dont you think you should be doing something else with your life line”

    Newsflash: we really dont give a shit about your expectations about the life we should be living. Atleast this man doesnt.

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    • on July 2, 2012 at 9:03 pm Rick Derris

      Good for you aces – and as you work in a gym, you probably have no need for a 37 yr old career hag since there are younger hotter chicks who are in shape on the treadmills.

      I used to be a trainer but had to give it up

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    • “I could care less how much money you make, I will not change my downsized, stress free lifestyle to accomidate your entitled ass.”

      Amen to that. If they want a welfare state, let them pay for it.

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  6. Keep fighting the good fight. I’d rather let the feminists continue whistling past the graveyard than subject myself to one more “deep”-think piece from the same forlorn, old spinsters still trying to square a circle.

    They have chosen to commit ovocide rather than expose their ideology to the smallest test against realism. It’s all so much drybox rationalization. I’d pity them if I hadn’t grown up forced to listen to their braggadocia-based sophistry. This is vindication. Luckily I’m not inclined to waste my time on being vindictive. Let them dehydrate and blow away.

    Elderly grrls have ceased to affect me. Lately they’ve ceased to draw my malice, much less my attention. We’re in the last moments of one, long, fading, background hiss. Death and menopause are just around the corner for the last of them. They generated no replacements, biologically or ideologically.

    Matt

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    • Except these women are enlisting white knights to back them up on the idea that men reach menopause and need to drop out voluntarily at around the same age, preferably by getting married.

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  7. Your $550k house won’t make you look any better with your clothes off honey.

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    • $550k house in SoCal? Isn’t that like a $100k house in most states? Not all that impressive. I’d take a pass on living in Aztlan anyway.

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  8. on July 2, 2012 at 6:32 pm The Alchemist

    “So, like the article says, I hide my career and income from men and dating profiles. It just makes me a target. I do not see this trend changing any time soon. ”

    It must be awful for her to be treated like a man.

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  9. I don’t know of ANY high income gals who aren’t — at some remove — on the government dime.

    That is — without the nanny state they’d have no economic being.

    Typical ‘careers’:
    government itself
    government contractors — the health industry in all its guises — selling to government — AA hires based upon XX… etc.

    All such babes think that they’ve made it on their own — and that their networking skills are the acme of modern economic life.

    There is no gravitas in their being. More than they can comprehend, they’re on welfare for women.

    What’s to respect?

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    • I don’t know of ANY high income gals who aren’t — at some remove — on the government dime.

      Here’s one for you. Granted, she is not on daddy government’s dime but rather on real daddy’s dime — as it should be. She is being occupied with makework during her prime whoring years rather than being literally occupied by cock.

      And of course, of course the key data point is her photograph. No, it’s not her litany of self-reported accomplishment, nor is it the preposterous claim that she is an “executive” more than she is a beneficiary of an alpha father. It’s the perky bright puss that seals her case. (Minus the dash of lip hair noticeable on hi-res. But I quibble.)

      Oh the times Star and I would have. Is there anything better than serving reality to a girl who was born on third base and thinks she hit a triple? I love it. She loves it. Her dad loves it.

      Hey, Star. This is crazy. Call me maybe?

      Matt

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  10. Yes, a woman’s income – as well as her height, provided her proportions are in order – are matters of indifference with regards to male attraction.

    But indirectly, because of female hypergamy, those factors should be taken into account. A cute 5′ spinner who makes half my salary might be no hotter in my eyes than another woman who makes twice my salary and is a few inches taller than me. But all things being equal, I will be hotter in her eyes than in the other woman’s.

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    • And here you have it. A woman who makes half your salary is more likely to have an incentive to want to make you happy. A woman who makes twice your salary is going to consider your job as making HER happy, whether she admits it or not.

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      • Michael C just made an EXCELLENT point. As a young lad in the Gen X category, I fell for the feminist bullshit and ended up like this for a while. I would strongly recommend the guys here not make my mistakes. You don’t want to end up serving some woman or, worse, her kid.

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      • Review the movie ‘Cocktails’ — and the male players.

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      • I have a friend whose wife is an MD. He is an entrepreneur. When he got rich, she quit her job. He has told me that the point of his life is to make her unbelievably happy.

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      • “A woman who makes twice your salary is going to consider your job as making HER happy, whether she admits it or not.”

        And those of you who pay attention at this site know how that tale ends.

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    • This is a really good point. The woman complaining that her high income is a drawback in dating ignores the fact that other women, rather than men, have probably contributed more to this phenomenon. I rarely hear men refusing to date high income women, but I OFTEN hear women refusing to give men the time of day if they aren’t rich.

      After repeated rejections by women for not making enough money, the only men left to chase high income women will be golddiggers, opportunists, and guys who just don’t give a shit.

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      • “but I OFTEN hear women refusing to give BETAS the time of day if they aren’t rich.”

        ftfy. Poor alphas slay gold-diggers all the time.

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      • Spiralina nails it here as I see it.

        The cultural zeitgeist is so at odds with facts that personally I don’t think it’s necessary to write articles like this or assert its thesis (even if both true and well written).

        For decades we’ve been told about the masses of insecure men who cannot endure coupling with a woman who earns more than them. The more I observe that the inverse is so universally true, the more i’m tempted to attribute that zeitgeist to the collective unconscious hampster in what Rollo Tamasi calls the Feminine Imperative.

        Men, or 99.9% of those I’ve met, don’t care. Those that do, do not because of insecurity about earnings status, but out of sensitivity to hypergamy and game, in other words: they are concerned about making HER happy (see Athol Kay).

        Women on the other hand, and on the whole, and in mass, and privately and publically on online forums, blogs, talk shows and web dating profiles, veritably proclaim: he needs to be equal or better.

        That is the starting point. First hurdle. Pass it, or else.

        The same way a shit test is that nagging hindbrain pestering “maybe he isn’t fit?”, a lower income is like a DLV printed on the front of his shirt, TAUNTING her, constantly making her doubt.

        It would be double the shit tests, and constantly so, passifying that hindbrain. Scoutmom outright SAYS so, repeating several times that there must be some other factor to compensate.

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      • I find interesting to consider the two opposite poles of the sugar daddy and the househusband.

        Who gets (and gives) better sex, the sugar daddy or the househusband? Who gets more respect from his partner?

        An oblivious sugar daddy might be a golddigger’s tool, but is he the object of as much contempt as a hypergamous career woman’s kitchen bitch?

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      • If she made $200k/yr and had Adriana Lima’s body, I don’t think the men would be so “insecure”.

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      • Tell your daughters that their SMV peaks at 17 and any attempt to earn money after that, apart from marrying a rich upper beta, is wasting their time even though it might take the load off yourself for her to stop asking you for money while she waits for Mr. Right.

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      • Yes. If women are projecting their needs onto men (eg I’m a strong independant woman who earns 100k+, I deserve and 8 even though I’m a 5), then a man is just as likely to be able to get an attractive girl who earns less than him as a less attractive girl who earns more than him.

        Obviously he chooses the hotter girl. The shebeast who is turned down thinks its because she earns more than him in a classic hamsterism.

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      • @Augen,

        I think your comment is valid for most guys.

        I OTOH grew up around money and it it doesn’t mean much to me. As I stated above, a girl has to meet my requirements, money or no money.

        About a decade ago I dated this very hot chick, 5′ 7″, wavy brown hair, green eyes, trim, slender figure, about 8 or 8.5. She was an architect, made good money, and had inherited lots more. She owned an apartment on the Upper West in Manhattan, owned a place in Vail, owned a yacht. Spent her spare time in the NY Yacht Club, racing yachts as a hobby. We got on very well, the chemistry was strong, we both wanted kids. I was about to fly to Vail to meet up with her and some friends at a party she was hosting there, to kick off the ski season. She was going to be busy during the week and mentioned something about not calling her on that Thursday. I called her on Thursday and she didn’t answer immediately. Later she said,
        Hottie: “I TOLD you not to call me, I was busy!”
        Me: “You do not TELL me anything, I am the only one who tells anyone anything around here!”
        Hottie: (surprised look on her face)
        Me: “In fact, you’ve pissed me off and I don’t see this working… we’re through”

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  11. It might make a self-conscious man feel inferior, however a woman making a higher salary than her husband is the best protection you can ask for during a divorce. If she makes more there is no grounds for alimony and she’d be paying the child support.

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    • @Zoo,

      Correct, see my above comment

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    • “and she’d be paying the child support.”

      assuming the kids live w dad, then yes. but even a dude who makes $20k/yr will still pay child support to a woman making $10mil per if kids are with her.

      youre right about alimony tho.

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    • Yes, if you want to have babies, then make sure you get a rich woman pregnant.

      But she is likely to be different from the women you most want to shtup, so you might want to make an arrangement with someone in her thirties who wants a child, have a child or two whom you can visit and be a good father to without paying too much actual cash, while maintaining an alpha lifestyle otherwise.

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  12. A woman making more than the man might help the alimony in a divorce, but from the statistics it also makes divorce more likely. Unless you’re a low income, high social status position (say, a successful artist, actor, etc) you’re unlikely to keep her around through thick and thin.

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    • I watched Ted on the weekend.

      Says Mila Kunis’ character, a PR exec: “I don’t care that he works at a car rental agency. He could be a janitor for all I care – he’s got a huge heart, he makes me laugh, and it doesn’t hurt that he’s the hottest guy in Boston.”

      And even then, they had to make Mark Wahlberg whipped to make it believable to modern America. The movie is an awesome case study in how not to act when a girl thinks you’re in trouble.

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      • Sounds like a movie that examples how not to act, period. Car rental agency = not high status. And probably harder to make rent for any ‘decent’ apartment at 30+ ages. And the idea of ‘he could be a janitor for all I care’ is just bull shit. Pure, simple, bullshit.

        I mean, I expect little out of blue pill society. But fucking outright lies of that magnitude is…. surprising. It’s like building an idol to worship out of human fecal matter.

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      • No bullshit. He really could be a janitor for all she cares. And he definitely has flashes of alpha brilliance.

        Wahlberg: “I know you need a man, and I’m gonna try harder from now on. You see these? They’re man pecs. You see [something]? That’s a man [something].” Makes funny face. “You smell that? That’s a man fart.”

        They had to make it believable somehow. His character is the master of not taking a girl seriously, at least most of the time.

        Alpha is Alpha: think of the guy with 30+ kids and all his money going to child support: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/05/desmond-hatchett-father-of-30-kids-seeks-reduction-in-child-supp/

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      • Hah!

        Girl I’m going on a date for wednesday has a father like that. Has like, four wives and two kids with each of them. Ridiculously poor, all his kids hate him, but the man got around and fulfilled his biological urges!

        She also gave me a speech about not believing in marriage for herself infront of her 17 year old younger sister. I would have gone for a close the last time I hung out with her, but it was at her dad’s house and that just felt freaking awkward as hell for me.

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      • There are some guys that can pull that off, but most can’t and why? I kinda like having my own place. I like it even more that its comfortable to live in. Women want a private place to fuck, in general, and lots of traffic through the house can ruin the mood. I don’t think Pops would have cared too much, though.

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      • Eh. I could care the fuck less about a private place. I’ve had sex while living in a house that had 6 people to 4 bedrooms, in a public park on the baseball field, in carpentry shops, in theatres (the live performance kind) after everyone left, and in a ‘room’ I was living in over the summer where the only separation from the basement was bedsheets pushed into the ceiling via thumbtacks. Pushing for public sex isn’t something new, and is something I expect most girls will get off on once or twice atleast. I can only wish every man got the same opportunities.

        But its sex in a place where respect is due to another man that holds me up. I’ll have a girl screaming if its somewhere where I don’t give a damn… but another man’s home is something I really don’t care for.I want a woman to submit to MY authority, and that mine isn’t infringed by being in another man’s home.

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  13. A woman’s income matters as much as the size of her penis… wait, what?

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  14. on July 2, 2012 at 7:24 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    I’d caution against comparing educated women with less educated women. It may be true that they are marrying at higher rates than their less educated sisters, but that may be because (paging Charles Murray) those less educated women are doing an even more spectacular job of screwing up their lives. They’re just screwing up in different ways.

    The absolute stats don’t tell a pretty story:
    http://ozconservative.blogspot.ca/2012/04/dont-play-waiting-game.html

    And even if they marry, they tend not to have children:
    http://ozconservative.blogspot.ca/2011/07/educated-gen-x-women-in-no-mans-land.html

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    • Why does some commenter write on that blog “Fresh legions are turning 21 every day” as a way to tell professional women in their thirties that their goose is cooked?

      Is 21 the new age of consent on so-called traditionalist manosphere blogs?

      Is 21 now the age of consent in Australia?

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      • The age of consent here in Oz is 16. 21 used to be the age of legal adulthood, but that is now 18.

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      • The vast majority of professional, 30+ men don’t seriously chase women under 21.

        [heartiste: lack of options = social domestication.]

        Even if you can take care of the logistics and successfully attract them, odds are high they aren’t ready for a serious relationship with an older guy.

        [this is beta talk. women are never going to claim they’re “ready” for a relationship, but they sure do become ready right quick, no matter what their age, with the right man.]

        Of course exceptions abound, but if the audience for the comment is women aged 33+, they know college-age girls aren’t their real competition no matter what the laws might say.

        [if they “know”, then why do they get so jealous when a hot coed strolls by their men? or: competition is self-evident.]

        The killer competition is age 22-29.

        [for less alpha men, yes. but it should be no news to any reader of this blog that the younger the woman (and hence prettier the woman), the more alpha a man would have to be to lock her into an LTR.]

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      • I knew a 20 year old model who didn’t date men under 30. Her friends were so happy when we hooked up because she was finally seeing an “age appropriate guy”.

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      • bro, I am 39 and I only date teenage girls.

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  15. It is even worse if the high earning woman oversees other people. She will start to treat you as one of her underlings.

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    • @Lara,

      I must be some sort of outlier, my wife reports to me, but in her day job has about 500 people reporting to her. It’s true that in the early days she did attempt to try giving advice/directives a few times, but way before I offered marriage I’d cured her of that foible.

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      • That Guy, you say you dated a chick with an IQ of 170. What was she like? Did she seem that bright? Did you ever see that Playboy Women of Mensa feature?

        You said you have an IQ of 157. Where were you tested?

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      • @David,

        I thought I answered you on another thread, but if not then here goes.

        My IQ was tested at school in Dublin when I was 17 yo. I think they used the Cattell test and re-normalized to Weshler (?). AFAIK on the Cattell I am around 170, as the sd=20. I should add probably that this is my highest score, I’ve been tested a few more times and averaged around 148-150.

        The 170 IQ chick had a low WHR, all tit-n-ass figure, tall (5′ 11″), long blonde hair, blue eyes. She was very enthusiastic sexually and loved to please. She writes exquisite prose, and has a truly enormous vocabulary. I have a large vocabulary myself, and love exotic or rarely used words – but only if they are used precisely to explain a nuance of difference. I remembering reading a page of her stuff and discovering 3 new words I’d never heard of, which is remarkable. The bad side was though her Verbal IQ was stratospheric, her Abstract Reasoning and Math IQ were not, so she was subsumed with ultra liberal, idealistic nonsense. She is one of those bleeding hearts who dreams of an end to world hunger and an end to war. I would point out time and again that if you feed all the hungry people in e.g Africa, then you are increasing the subsistence population, and come the next famine you’ll need to feed 5 times more people, and so on exponentially. Also that as long as there are humans there will be wars. She couldn’t accept these facts. I couldn’t accept a girl who thought like that, and felt great about 3rd world immigration, and who was only so-so about having kids of her own.

        My current wife had some of those notions too, but was not strident about them, and being on the slightly submissive side, was more than willing to toe the party line – according to me.

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      • TG: just one question. Was super-verbal-brainiac a sub in bed? Cause every one I’ve met has been.

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      • @SFG,

        Yes. In my experience, tall girls ( > 5′ 7″) tend to like being dominated more than short girls ( 6′).

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      • @SFG – first comment got garbled, as I used the “Less than” symbol

        Yes. In my experience, tall girls ( greater than 5′ 7″) tend to like being dominated more than short girls (less than 5′ 3″). I think it may be that tall girls have slightly more testosterone and so “need” the domination more to trigger a normal submissive posture for a girl. OTOH, short girls absolutely swoon over tallish guys (greater than 6′).

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      • “I would point out time and again that if you feed all the hungry people in e.g Africa, then you are increasing the subsistence population, and come the next famine you’ll need to feed 5 times more people, and so on exponentially.”

        the problem with this proposition is that you assume the truth of malthusian economics as if it were some undisputed principle. im not saying you’re necessarily wrong, because the bottom line is that no one knows for sure how this will play out in the future. but what you don’t seem to take into account is human potential to solve problems as they arise based on need. one example of a benefit of a growing population is a corresponding growing economic pie-that is, the more people exist, the more money will exist and ideally be distributed relatively evenly (assuming bernanikification is a temporary fad rather than lasting economic model), the more incentive entrepreneurs will have to create new means of production and the technologies that undergird them. iow, you seem to underestimate the fact that necessity is the mother of invention, and the potential for science and human ingenuity to solve any problem that can arise.

        btw, re big words: i wish more intelligent people wrote like you. simple, understated, and clear prose. many somewhat intelligent individuals have an awful tendency to drop gratuitous $5 and $10 words to posture to the people they speak to. i agree with you that its much more effective to use a big word here and there when appropriate, and that is to when it describes a subtle nuance, rather than to show others that one knows a big word or two.

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      • @Student,

        The problem with your idea is that I am specifically talking about increasing the population of the destitute, not the “talented tenth” – the entrepreneurs, innovators etc. It would be equivalent to rounding up all the homeless and paying them a subsidy to procreate?! There’s a saying where I come from, “You can’t make a silk purse from a sow’s ear”…

        As regards word choice, I think if you have a coherent thought process and can frame your argument in the fewest steps possible then you should do so. Some commentators here have very little to say, so need to dress it up with as much finery as possible – in the hope that people don’t notice their bluff. When I get feedback like, “You don’t come across as that smart”, then I know my comments have hit the mark, in being easy to digest…

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      • i am speaking of a population increase assuming that the growth will not be disproportionate to the balance of the existing social hierarchy. entrepreneurs create for a market. markets exist because of the bottom 90%. anyway, agree to disagree. PS, might not make a silk purse from that ear, but you can make a diamond from coal, pearl from a grain of sand, 90% of a high end sports car from the same metal that is used for soda cans etc. you can also take many of the homeless losers you might look down on, and with a bit of support and luck, turn them into the multimillionaire/billionaire entrepreneurs you value so highly.

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      • If what you say is true, then yes.

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  16. “I really don’t care how much money you make”

    And yet, she dumped four men because they don’t earn enough money, and shes says, “I just refuse to take on a partner who isn’t my equal in some way.” Um, exactly what way are you talking about? Oh yeah, his earnings (or status, but most high status jobs usually have six figure incomes).

    Men wife up for three reasons:
    1) Steady sex (for those that can’t get it on command).
    2) To sire children and have a mother raise them.
    3) To have someone wipe their ass and hold their hand when they die at 75.

    1) At 37, this women is already rapidly in decline as a sex asset. At the VERY best she has till 45, and likely much much sooner (if not ugly already). So #1 is out.

    2) At 37, she will be able to provide few if any children. And if she continues to work she won’t help raising them (and at that age she will have little energy for mothering regardless).

    3) At that age I suppose a beta dude in his 40s/50s who already has kids or doesn’t want any might hook up with her for fear of being alone, but it sounds like she already rejects this kind of guy.

    So who would this uptight spinster date. Probably one of two men.

    1) Very high earning older dude, but he’d have to be a hardcore beta to pull in 150k+ and want to marry a 37 year old.

    2) A hot dude with low income that will use her as a suger momma. But she has rejected them.

    Those are the options baby. High earning beta/omega computer programmer, or the aging personal trainer that will use you as a bank account. That’s your ceiling. And if you don’t behave well you’ll probably do worse then that.

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  17. on July 2, 2012 at 7:51 pm Simon Corso

    There are of course the outliers , the exceptions that prove the rule. Like Dr. Phil , Tom Arnold.

    The only real advantage I can think of to marrying a successful woman is that she is probably not after your money and wont be a financial drain.

    But what do I care ?
    Marriage is not for me.

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  18. on July 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm freedomloverboy

    IF I ever get married, I’d prefer a woman with a solid income that is LOWER THAN MINE, and has consistent work hours (home by 6). Women these days are expected to work, and those who don’t are in general lazy bitches. High-earning women are often cunts because money-driven women are horrible. So yeah, the higher her income, the better. As long as its comfortably below mine.

    Oh yeah, the woman with a 150+k income is obviously fucking ugly, too.

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    • Ok, and notwithstanding my earlier note about relative income, let me loudly second FLB’s observation here.

      A woman in 2012 who wishes to stay at home is almost assuredly lazy.

      Do you have $1 million?
      If you answered “no” then:

      1) you cannot afford divorce (or by extension, marriage) these are high priced luxuries
      intended for your social economic betters, spare yourself the pain and avoid the hubris

      2) you are in the class of people where two ambitious, disciplined, nonself-centered and hard working individuals must partner for a household / family unit to thrive … YOU CANNOT AFFORD to be bound in such a partnership to someone who can be described as lazy … even a LITTLE bit lazy. It is a vice, and vice, like cancer, is not inspired by your example, it grows, metastasizes and will destroy and consume you long after your doomed marriage is terminated.

      Minimal criteria in 2012 should be that she works, and if she even hints about being a SAHM at some future juncture, without an evangelical christian or mormon pedigree that should be a nonnegotiable disqualifier.

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      • “…if she even hints about being a SAHM at some future juncture, without an evangelical christian or mormon pedigree that should be a nonnegotiable disqualifier.”

        Really good point. Without religious justification for this attitude, she’s just a lazy golddigger.

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      • Most women will fall into housewife mode if given the opportunity. I dare say all of them will. It is the nature of things. Female careerism is the artificial state of nature. Staying at home does not make them lazy golddiggers, although many might be. I really don’t like a wife to work. I prefer she devote her energies to hearth and home, especially if there are children. Keeping house and making a nice dinner is enough to keep one occupied during the day. When women did that, life was more pleasant and our families and communities were far stronger. Nihilism did not rule the culture as it does today.

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      • If you plan on homeschooling, then there is not much lazy going on with the wife. While I disagree that keeping house and making a nice dinner is enough to keep one occupied during the day (though I guess it depends on the house), if your wife homeschools your kids, she will definitely be occupied. There is something about homeschooling that sends the message home quite well that, if I am bored, there is a whole world of information out there for me to consume my time with. Pick a subject and take the kids to the library. It’s awesome.

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      • Unless the wife is making over $30k a year, daycare, taxes, and expenses for working wipe out ever single penny she brings to the table on average. My wife is making more, but when we have kids she will be a SAHM. Of course I am also a christian and far enough above average IQ to recognize how I was misedumacated in the puplik skroll system. I am planning on homeschooling for my children.

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      • I am planning on homeschooling for my children.

        Me too. Public schools are Marxist indoctrination centers.

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      • I would homeschool any eventual daughter, and get her ass married at 18 with a 32 year-old greater beta. But I’d send my boys to the outside world.
        When they’re 16-17, hand them game literature and the copy-pasted posts from this blog, in case, you know, CH doesn’t publish A GODDAMN BOOK by then. That, along with strong leadership (not bullying) and intellectual guidance , might be enough to at least attenuate the marxist bullshit.
        If they remain bleeding heart leftist feminized manboobs after the red pill, consider dna testing.

        A homeschooled boy is like an animal in captivity. Doesn’t sound good. The world is theirs to conquer, and they may grow maladapted if they aren’t familiar with the cultural zeitgeist, as deluded as it may be.

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      • A homeschooled boy is like an animal in captivity. Doesn’t sound good. The world is theirs to conquer, and they may grow maladapted if they aren’t familiar with the cultural zeitgeist, as deluded as it may be.

        Wrong you are… but I’ll give you a pass. Before I had kids, I didn’t truly know shit either.

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      • “Wrong you are… but I’ll give you a pass. Before I had kids, I didn’t truly know shit either.”

        For a white supremacist education, maybe you’re right. But for sane people who don’t want to have mini-hitlers running around, I’d recommend my approach.

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      • A homeschooled boy is like an animal in captivity.

        No he’s not. One tailors the education how one wants. What sounds more like captivity to you? 1) Sitting at a desk for the better part of 6 hours a day with 20-30 other children, 2) always being forced to be on par for if he excels then he must wait for his classmates to catch up, if he is average he will never be pushed to be more than average, if he falls behind, too bad, 3) the teacher not putting up with his boyish rambunctiousness because she doesn’t have patience for it. Ritalin, here we come. 4) continually being taught that girly is good boy-y (heh, sorry) is bad and having all the usuals slammed into his head on a daily basis (girls deserve chivalry, girls can do anything a boy can do, maybe better, don’t hit, back down to the bully, etc, etc etc.)

        OR

        1) learning ones letters on the driveway hopping from letter to letter and sound to sound. Throwing ball as hard as one can at the letter or sound stated. Reading RobinHood and Arthurian Legend for classwork. 2) Learning about ancient egypt and mummifying a chicken to further learn about mummies and tombs. Drawing a picture of the world or the US on the driveway and then giving him a toy gun to somehow re-enact the major wars, when he gets older traveling around the east to visit Civil War spots and Revolutionary War spots and/or reenactments so he can see them for himself.

        I could go on and on and on. It’s only captivity if one makes it that way. And if your worried about him getting out when he is older, there are far mare opportunities for a homeschooled boy to experience the world than a public schooled boy. I have read multiple stories of boys and girls starting their own business at the age of 13-14 years of age. He has the whatever opportunity he wishes to pursue.

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      • For a white supremacist education, maybe you’re right. But for sane people who don’t want to have mini-hitlers running around, I’d recommend my approach.

        Never known it to fail… nobody knows a better way to educate children than those who haven’t had them yet.

        For the record, asshole, my oldest son is currently writing his own ticket, a mere two years after graduating from a demanding five-year program in engineering at a name school and getting snapped up by the firm for whom he interned in his senior year.

        So take a walk and come back when you’ve achieved something of like merit as a parent.

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      • Meant to mention, all this was done without owing one cent in student loans. We homeschoolers aren’t all the low income hicks SWPL make us out to be.

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      • We homeschooled our brood… can’t recommend it enough.

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      • greg, is your boy still a virgin? asking because i never a homeskooled kid with social skills required to get laid.

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      • greg, is your boy still a virgin? asking because i never a homeskooled kid with social skills required to get laid.

        I’m sure your experience with homeschooled children is as vast as your familiarity with Mssrs. Strunk, White, Funk & Wagnalls.

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      • Exactly… most women who claim they “need to work” are in fact only covering the expenses of going outside of the house to earn wages.

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      • Have you looked at the divorce rates of evangelicals? They talk the talk, but they don’t walk the walk.

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    • Good point. I am at the point where I discriminate (can I use that word here?) against nurses. I think, “if you were smart you would have gone to medical school.” Or “if you’re smart, you have no support from your family because you would have gone to medical school if they supported you.” No support from a girl’s family means less security for our future children.

      I also try to avoid women with boring ass jobs like “medical sales.” Even if the money is good. Same with elementary school teachers. If they had it upstairs they would be doing something interesting. (Not that I want some cut-throat careerist.)

      It was easier in George W. Bush’s day. He married a librarian. You used to be able to marry a stewardess, and she could be as smart as anyone else.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 12:24 am Rick Derris

        >>>I also try to avoid women with boring ass jobs like “medical sales.”

        The medical sales reps are just a step above strippers. Avoid LTRs with them at all costs. They’re dumb, materialistic, annoying and in 10 yrs they will not have aged well.

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      • Heartiste had a column a few months ago about nurses and how slutty they were.

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      • on July 4, 2012 at 12:28 pm Rick Derris

        Yup – and medical sales reps are even skankier and sluttier!

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      • Yep, nothing says “I’m smart” better than going to medical school and racking up an additional $200,000 in college debt, non-discharchable in bankruptcy court, and on top of your undergraduate debt.

        While spending your highest fertility years in medical school and then in the grinding mill of residency (low pay, extremely high work hours) for several more years.

        Yep. Smart women. Fools, but smart.

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      • surgical residencies are brutal. nothing like working 36 hours, then 12 hours off, then another 36 on. for years at a time. but toward the end, the local porsche dealer will rent an airstrip so you can take one of his cars out for a spin and drive as fast as you’ve got the balls to go. because he knows in a matter of months, you’re going to walk into his dealership and pay cash.

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      • It’s not that bad for women medical students and residents. A lot of the girls I know chose to go into “family-friendly” specialties (OB-GYN, pediatrics, etc) and they generally date and marry other doctors that they meet along the way

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      • @Sally,

        Right. My wife worked in the OB-GYN/Pediatrics. To pay off her medical student loans, she signed up with the Indian Health Service, and that excuses you of $300k in debt.

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      • Pretty much, yeah. Something like 50% of all female doctors marry a male doctor.

        It’s another example of degree inflation: Before, to marry a doctor, you had to go to nursing school; now, it’s medical school.

        That said I never saw the problem with female OB-GYNs or pediatricians. Women delivering babies and taking care of children seems pretty ‘natural’ to me. Given that women used to to take charge of birthing children in the 19th century I don’t see what’s wrong with bringing modern medicine into the mix.

        Macho specialties like orthopedics…

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      • I hate careerist bitches but I have a soft spot for female doctors. They’re the only females that I don’t hate for wasting their salad years at work.
        Women who nurture and fix broken living things are cute.

        Marrying a doctor, on the other hand… Given their crazy schedule, I’d leave that for beta fools.

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  19. on July 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm The Real Vince

    Ah, so men have suddenly gone from finding high-earning women “intimidating” to finding them attractive. Good to know.

    Watched a movie the other night and the quirky female supporting character touts the classic car she stole/won in a divorce settlement: “think it’ll help me land a boy toy?” Her always supportive friend said something like “no doubt.” I laughed.

    I encounter too many girls who seemingly want to be rescued from their student loan debts. (One was 30 and still living at home with her mother; she worked at a non-profit, and she was still payin’ for that “fantastic” year on exchange in Australia). Hoo roo.

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  20. on July 2, 2012 at 8:31 pm CrazyCatLady

    ‘Cat ladies’ more likely to commit suicide, scientists claim.

    It’s in the kitty litter.

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    • I think people with birds gets infected by some other parasite that makes them nuts.

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      • Psittacosis. It doesn’t make you go nuts, but it does make you very sick indeed. I knew a vet who spent months recuperating. He got it from examining some sick currawongs in a school playground. Currawongs are a local Australian bird, not related to parrots. So you can get psittacosis from birds other than parrots, despite the name and the reputation.

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    • Cat ladies are old and lonely. I’m sure that doesn’t help.

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  21. A distinction must be made between hot trust-fund socialites and hardened professional women.

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  22. It’s understandable that women want to believe pretty lies, because when faced with the truth, they might go like this:

    http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhO53lhy6NRqf77oSB

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  23. Over on the side of “it might be a little bit true,” does anyone think there’s a small benefit to attractiveness from a high income? Better makeup, better hair, better gym, better diet … it won’t make a huge difference, but it could give a girl an extra point if she’s still in her 20s. I feel like the yuppie chicks in my neighborhood are generally well assembled, and that, not the earnings per se, can increase attractiveness. No?

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    • “does anyone think there’s a small benefit to attractiveness from a high income? Better makeup, better hair, better gym, better diet “- Better ability to want ‘more shit’ since she has ‘some shit’, already. I’m a DCer (obviously) like a surprisingly high number of bloggers in the Manosphere. I see these types rolling around Arlington, VA all the time. Slightly upscale, crushing the bikram yoga, and then zooming out to Whole Foods before a night out on the town. Their whole shtick is so tired to me now. I dated a few and I felt like they had barcodes on their heads. Yes, they have tight little asses and stay fit but they are so trendy and hip and just… *yawn*.

      The other true asset of living in DC or any international city is there are a pile of foreigners here. The really good kind too. EE’s, South Americans, Asians. I don’t fuck with DC women -at all- now for a few years after dating foreigners. Same put together looks and makeup, crucially tight packages, generally kind, and not as grossly obsessed with wealth. They come from places that pampered American broads would not survive in with no nanny state and it gives me a raging boner, so much so that I’m just a limp noodle now if I don’t hear an accent. I’m dating this smoking Persian dance instructor that lives with 3 roommates because she has to. Ask me how much I care about that? Women from the West simply don’t get it at all. Two of my longest term GFs were 6 figure earners and I cared quite little about that. It is the wackiest thing, men and women have totally different drivers in life. Odd that… I thought we were equal.

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    • Agree. That stuff means a lot to us even if we don’t realize it. The problems start if they are having too much fun emulating Carrie Bradshaw and wind up 35 and single.

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    • makes no difference to the boner

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  24. This may or may not be off topic….but……I fucking hate fat chicks.

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  25. OT: Having trouble responding to a common shit test that I get.

    I’m 23, love going out to the bars, but I started to notice a pattern recently. Many girls I meet in the 23-26ish age group often mention that I look young or say “you’re too young for me.”

    Whats the best way to deal with this statement? So far I’ve simply ignored it, but it doesn’t seem to work.

    I DO look young, but I am over 6ft tall and rather buff… what do you guys think?

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    • Say, “Or you’re just too old.” Or you could make a joke about going to the local high school to meet someone.

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      • That was actually my first reaction. In my head that response comes off as too easy (read: unoriginal) and doesn’t actually have an effect on her perception of me.

        I might be beating a dead horse in responding at all, a girl who says that might be voicing her lack of attraction, rather than flirting.

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      • “You’re too old” lacks tact. Try, “I only date girls younger than me.”

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 12:53 am The Real Vince

      You can use a classic technique called lying.

      If she says you’re too young, tell her to guess your age. Whatever she says is wrong. “Damn my good genes.”

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 4:10 am Art Vandelay

      Tell her she looked like a cougar so you just assumed…

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    • Honestly Steve, if you’re 23 you should be dating legal to 19. There are plenty of high status guys in their 30s who won’t date women as old as 23. They don’t have to if they’re alpha. Your seeming lack of interest in the 18 year olds smacks of rationalization, such as “but they’re not as interesting as the 23 year olds”.

      Please snap out of it. At 23 you can and should go for the highest SMV women, and those are at least 5 years younger than you are right now.

      In many if not most cases, it isn’t alpha to date women older than 23, no matter how old you are.

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    • use disqualification. “good thing I’m not hitting on you then” or “yeah I’m way too young we’ll just be friends”. Then roll right past it and talk about something else

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    • Too easy. They’re the ones bringing up the age factor. Age is far more relevant to their sex than ours, and they can’t not know that.

      The problem with “23-26ish” women is they still think like “18-22ish” women, which isn’t far off the mark, but they are rapidly approaching their do-or-die moment, nearer to the wall than they care to admit, and closer than their younger sisters. Women in their forties still think like 18-22ish women too, only the preposterousness of their self-deception (see “High Income” Lady above) is far more apparent in the contrast between their wishes and Father Time’s physical beatdown.

      Anything that hints you know their fears or you see through their self-deception should do. Obviously this will only get easier as you leapfrog your targets in age and maturity, but it’s enough to know that the opposite also applies: for them it will only get worse.

      “You’re absolutely right and I’m sorry I led you on. I was hoping you had some younger sisters you could introduce me to.” Something like that, but not communicated in words so much as gestures and tone, preferably playing each other off the youngest in the group (“I’m guessing that you are the oldest here”), and in context with the opportunities as presented. Whatever dismisses their bravada quickest. Le mot juste is always tailored to the situation. Canned responses sound canned and defensive. “Age is just a number,” etc. Personalize your game, brother.

      Matt

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    • I’m 23, love going out to the bars, but I started to notice a pattern recently. Many girls I meet in the 23-26ish age group often mention that I look young or say “you’re too young for me.”

      Whaddaya know. The women are agreeing with Heartiste.

      Of course, that’s not a surprise, as I had a woman tell me the other night, “Women don’t like beta males.” Verbatim.

      Go for their piping-hot fresh teen sisters.

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      • This is the response I expected. There’s nothing wrong with banging teenage girls, but to be honest, I’ve grown rather tired of it.

        A few months ago I dumped a 19 yo girl that I had been dating for over a year. She got insecure, possessive and froze up sexually as a result. It culminated on the day I went to the pub for an hour with my father and came back to see 100 missed calls…

        Right now I just want to bang girls who don’t need me. I don’t want to take any more virginities, and I DEFINITELY don’t want to teach a girl how to give me head yet again.

        Its seems, in my experience, that the slightly older ones are more in touch with their sexuality, know how to please a man, and are much more DTF in a casual scenario…

        I know that I’ll return to banging the younger ones again, but for now I want wild sex from the start.

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      • This seems common for men in their twenties. It’s one of the reasons why older men can do so well with the teenagers. The twenty-something males are often AWOL as competition. I’ll take your alpha reasoning in this case, but I’d say most guys your age ignore the teenagers because they are a lot harder to get than the ones who are already worrying about the lines on their faces and working hard to keep their figures.

        The idea the young PUAs have is to follow the path of least resistance. Often they think “When I have a better job and more status, then I will deserve the teenage 10”. Later, when one realizes that his own looks might fade and his time as a PUA might end, that’s when he buckles down and pursues the absolute hottest women of all. Delayed gratification, as in thinking “I’ll date this 25 year old 7 for a few years while I’m building my career and then trade her in for a 19 year old 10” should not be a concept for a PUA. But it’s the way it often is.

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      • “I’ll date this 25 year old 7 for a few years while I’m building my career and then trade her in for a 19 year old 10″

        Is there anything more immoral than stealing an aging girl’s time and then breaking her heart when she grows old?

        [heartiste: genocide.]

        Stealing her the opportunity to have family and kids …

        [is she not a sentient actor with free will?]

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      • [is she not a sentient actor with free will?]

        No!

        [heartiste: shut up and stop trolling.
        (i’m really beginning to wonder just how much of my abuse you’re willing to take. does it sustain you through ten, or ten thousand, self-administered orgasms?)]

        I thought that once you fall in love you are a victim of your emotions and you are unable to use your logical thinking or free will. Isn’t it like that?

        [passion undermines reason. but reason is still present and active. it’s not like love causes the frontal lobe to walk away from the skullcase for a spell. proof: would a woman in love shoot herself in the head if her lover told her to?]

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      • “proof: would a woman in love shoot herself in the head if her lover told her to?”

        No,

        [heartiste: yes.]

        because she has to think about her future babies – they need a mother so she can’t kill herself.

        [unsurprisingly, you remain dumb as a box of rocks and/or transparently trollish. she won’t be thinking about theoretical future kids; she’ll be thinking about saving her own life.]

        You haven’t proved anything with this.

        [i just did. you just don’t like it. stamping your veinous feet and sticking your fingers in your ears won’t change the proof i have crushed your soul with.]

        ps – I’m not taking any of your abuse

        [you’re still here. so, you are.]

        – All I do is trying to help you,

        [you’re usually very careful about your punctuation and syntax, so when i see a mangled sentence like this one you wrote, i know you have been emotionally shaken. i know i have hit pay dirt.]

        I thought you said you are sadistic in bed.

        [redirection won’t save you now.]

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      • Maybe I didn’t express myself well … I was commenting on this post above where somebody suggested that some guys find it OK to date an older girl for a few years and then dump her for a younger one. Don’t you think this is immoral? The older girl might be in love with a guy so she’s unable to leave the relationship until it’s too late.

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      • This is the response I expected. There’s nothing wrong with banging teenage girls, but to be honest, I’ve grown rather tired of it.

        It’s not necessarily about going after teenagers so much as leveraging them against your target demographic’s envy. You might not care about banging them, but the 23-26 cohort cares about you banging them.

        You’ve answered your own question. Communicate the following in a soft version digestible to women:

        Right now I just want to bang girls who don’t need me. I don’t want to take any more virginities, and I DEFINITELY don’t want to teach a girl how to give me head yet again.

        … and rev their hamsters into a symphony, maestro. Rock solid frame.

        Matt

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      • Yes, taking a woman’s virginity can be messy and unpleasant. No doubt that is why when most men marry these days, they are happy that another man, an alpha probably, has done it for them.

        Win-Win.

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      • You could say it is the modern version of the droite de seigneur. Only now your wife has been deflowered before you by a secular lord.

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      • Love the droit du seigneur comparison.

        So, rather than simply being a repulsive medieval policy cooked up by randy tyrants, it seems to be more naturally occurring in women than we like to think. If virgins can’t get their stamp by an official alpha (lord of the manor), they will settle for what their instincts tell them is the best approximation (alpha of the cock carousel).

        That makes an anomaly out of the interim period between feudalism and sexual revolution, whose effects we are just beginning to comprehend. Follow the behavior. When released from the constraints of law and shame, women revert to the primordial pattern which the seigneur concept had ratified into an official droit.

        Curiouser and curiouser. Just when you think it can’t get any darker down that (literal) hole, you discover a new shade of inky black.

        Matt

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      • I for one prefer her to be a virgin and demonstrably so.

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      • Yes, Matthew, glad you liked that.

        I have written a poem about virginity and defloration, mainly to annoy skanky feminists:

        http://davidcollard.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/first-draft/

        As I have said before, deflowering my wife was unpleasant, and painful for her, but I am glad I got to do it, not some man before me.

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      • I have seen a serious scientific (evol psych) argument that the pain of childbirth gets a woman to bond to her child, and the pain of defloration gets her to bond to a man. On the other hand, my wife says my deflowering her put her off sex for quite some time. She had a very tough hymen.

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      • “I have seen a serious scientific (evol psych) argument that the pain of childbirth gets a woman to bond to her child, and the pain of defloration gets her to bond to a man.”

        That’s kind of cute. Can’t wait to do it.

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      • Maya, if you are like my wife was, you will not enjoy your “first time”.

        She found it to be too painful, and did not want to continue.

        Childbirth is worse, of course.

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      • You must be a masochist, Maya. My wife found both defloration and childbirth to be agonising.

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      • I have written a poem about virginity and defloration, mainly to annoy skanky feminists.

        I present you David Collard, Poet Laureate of Game.

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  26. on July 2, 2012 at 10:02 pm Lionel Manboobs

    About a year ago, a friend had a date with a woman psychologist who earns somewhere in the six figures. They hit it off really well. At the end of the night, she told my friend she liked him a lot, but that she didn’t want to waste her time with someone who would turn out to be a loser. She asked him to take an IQ test that she happened to have in her purse. He did, and his score satisfied her. She then asked to see his college transcript and a current credit report. He laughed at this, but was intrigued, too, so her showed them to her a couple days later. She was okay with them, too. The upshot is they are still together and fucking like a couple of bunnies. I’d say she’s about a seven.

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 12:22 pm Art Vandelay

      So, it’s true what they say about psychiatrists and by extension true what they say about crazy chicks?

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    • Jesus.

      Funny that while some women are shaming the use of IQ tests to screen for employment, other women advocate the use IQ tests to screen for penis. That’s oxymoronic conservative-liberalism at its finest!

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    • He should have grabbed the paper and when she offered him a pen to write the test with he signals no with his hand and instead pulls his penis out.

      That’s what a true gentleman on a first date does when confronted with an IQ test.

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    • With an approach like that, it sounds like she’s 35+ but I’ll play along. I’d like a verified clean bill of health in return. Personality test, fertility info, pictures of parents and grandparents and siblings over the years; financial status, in particular earnings vs savings; also any history of mental illness, health problems, legal problems such as arrests or either side of lawsuits, financial problems, drug use, alcoholism, abuse, molestation, divorce or suchlike in her or her family.

      And of course … what’s her number? Maybe we should start with that.

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  27. on July 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm Holden Caulfield

    It occurred to me that feminists of today are not really feminists in the traditional sense. The old school feminists were about trying to improve the lives of women, but today’s feminists are about trying to diminish the quality of men’s lives. These are two very different things in my opinion. All this rhetoric about men preferring high earning women is really projection – women prefer high earning men yet project that desire onto men. They want men to pretend they don’t value thin women. Heartiste has been spot on for years about the decline of western civilization and the causes of this downfall. Today’s “feminism” is a huge reason why life is indeed just a bit shittier.

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  28. on July 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm Holden Caulfield

    In regards to this article:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-01/july-fourth-fireworks-displays/55945380/1

    We should cut back on government sponsored care of single mothers’ bastard kids to provide for celebrations of freedom. Just a thought. . .

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    • Agreed. And we should spend that money on the fireworks where it would make more people happy. Seriously.

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  29. Look. This ain’t hard. Women who earn good money compared to women who don’t earn much money are:
    1. Better dressed.
    2. Likely take better care of themselves.
    3. Likely thinner.
    4. More intelligent.
    5. More educated.
    6. More interesting.
    7. Have a more interesting social circle.
    8. Won’t see you as a pay check.
    9. When divorced, won’t need alimony.
    10. Are older.

    The issue really is relative income to yours. Many people won’t tolerate the woman earning lots more. Some don’t care.

    And, the question this aging women hasn’t asked herself yet, why would any 37 yo high earning, confident man want to marry a woman who is essentially over as far as child bearing? If he doesn’t want kids, he can marry a 28 year old woman who doesn’t want kids and who has a job which keeps her interested and interesting but doesn’t interfere with their marriage and good times together.

    And why get married if you don’t want kids? If would have to be for money.

    Get real lady. It’s not your income. It’s your age that is keeping you from finding “good men.” It’s only your money that keeps you in the dating pool. Of course, if she just wants to go slut or cougar, she can likely have an active sex life, but, she shouldn’t expect any quality males to want to commit to her.

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 11:32 am Days of Broken Arrows

      I would double-check your ideas, Gramps.

      The nastiest divorces I’ve witnessed have involved high-earning women who get high-priced lawyers. Sometimes those women are lawyers themselves.

      There is a line in the movie “First Wives Club” that goes “Don’t get even, get everything” and IMO more successful women live by this because they are more money-oriented and materialistic by nature. Women who have less and achieve less usually want less.

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  30. I hate to use a term belonging to psychology, which I believe is largely bullshit, but there seems to be a fair amount of projection in the assumptions of both sexes as to what the opposite finds attractive. I remember a woman on a forum complaining that when men wrote to her on dating websites they never spoke of her impressive qualifications and career. If they complimented her at all it was regarding of her looks. It was a fellow woman on the forums who set her straight by telling her “it’s not that they don’t see your education and career; it’s just that they don’t care” or something similar.

    I won’t be too harsh on them, because I was guilty of a similar mix-up in thinking when younger. Since I wanted girl who approached me to do so in a nice and friendly fashion, I pursued girls while exhibiting the same persona. I only came around to the truth after using rudeness to signal to girls who were flirting with me that I wasn’t interested. Rather than discouraging them it seemed to intensify their attraction. Even then I didn’t fully acknowledge it because I wanted to keep my hope of an ideal long-term relationship with a woman alive.

    And don’t get me started on confidence. Women always advise other women to exude confidence when dealing with men. I feel like grabbing them by the shoulders and saying “we don’t care about confidence; we just want our dicks sucked”.

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    • Good observation, although I think for the case of dating websites in particular, talking about work is risky because it can get boring and perfunctory very quickly. I usually wait to bring up that sort of thing in person unless she asks first.

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  31. If I were to considering wifing a middle-aged career woman, I would insist upon a dowry sizable enough to put a 50% down payment on a bitchin’ sports car (probably a new Nissan GTR).
    I would consider it compensation for her wasting her young sex and beauty on fucking shitbag artists and musicians.

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    • Are you the same Jodark that comments on Jalopnik? I remember him as one of the one of the precious few sane voices resonating from inside of the madhouse that is Gawker media.

      If so, it figures that COTW-quality quip would come from the same man.

      Either way, kudos.

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  32. Money marries money. Everything else roughly equal, men will go for women with money over women without. I spend a lot of time around rich people in my work (I’m far from it myself, BTW) and they marry money, education and prestige. Men marry the money and cheat with the looks. Women marry the money and cheat with the looks.

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  33. …and women aren’t attracted to high empathy men.

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    • Oh Good, because I fail the Voight-Kampff test.

      Time Magazine has always had the same approach. See a social blip, call it a trend. Bodge up some bullshit statistics that would make a statistician weep, interview three people in the whole of American who fit the supposed trend. Then sell it to the middlebrow morons that read Time.

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      • Decades ago, “Time” was a real source of information. Now the US magazines are unreadable.

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    • You got that right… then they whine “Where are all the good men?!” after they get ass-pumped/dumped by some creep.

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  34. “In my personal experience, yes, I could easily go out there and get married. But, not to anyone I would consider a truly equal partner.”

    Translation:

    “…But, not to anyone who makes more money than me and fulfills my hypergamous impulses.”

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  35. Editor,

    I don’t think men not being _sexually_ attracted to high-earning women is the important objection to the feminist argument. Many men of average income, without experience to change their mind, will choose a higher-earning woman ceteris paribus. It’s to their advantage.

    The important objection to the feminists claiming that men like higher-earning women is that women generally don’t like lower-earning men for paternity. They may be moved by feminist ideals to date them, sleep with them, and form a long-term relationship, but they won’t carry their kids. It’s difficult for a norm to survive and grow if it confounds reproduction. The comment you selected further illustrates this point.

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  36. More evidence of r v K:

    More Time in the Womb may Lead to Better Grades in School
    http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120702/10571/womb-development-birth-better-grades.htm

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    • I was three weeks premature, and my IQ is on the high end (130+). Maybe I’m a fluke though…

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      • I’m describing a trend, not an absolute.

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      • I spent 9 months and two weeks in the womb; and I’m dumb as fuck.

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      • @Corvinus,

        That’s a BS study if ever there was one.

        I was also born 3 weeks premature and have a 157 IQ. In fact all the rest of my siblings were born 2 weeks early. Of 3 children I have, 2 are born 2 weeks early, including the one who tested as gifted.

        It’s the same BS you see in studies that attempt to show that there is a n IQ boost from being breast-fed of up to 14 points – I wasn’t breast fed.

        Or there is an IQ boost for a pregnant mother who listens to classical music. When in fact almost all mothers who listen to classical music are higher IQ – so the effect is genetic.

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    • It could be that intelligent humans are animals with longer gestation periods.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 1:46 pm Charlesz Martel

        Care to guess what the gestation period differences are between the races? Blacks- one week shorter, Asians one week longer, Whites in the middle. Astounding!

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  37. [“I am now 37…..Maybe I’ll try dating again when the economy gets better?]

    Delusional, She better hope the economy gets better REAL SOON, lol!

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  38. My most recent ex made $180k/yr (including benefits), and was a 7 in the morning, an 8 cleaning my home in her heels and French maid outfit. She begged me repeatedly to marry her. I told her she’d have to quit her career, as any woman of mine works for me exclusively, and not for any other man.

    During one of her later of many tantrums attempting to tie me down for life, I told her that, were I to officially take her on as my woman: 1) her primary job would be to implement the strategy that I set for my household (which would include her staying in public bikini shape), 2) she would be required to bring me sexual variety in the form of quality girlfriends she met at yoga class, fitness boot camps, wine tastings, bullshit charity events, etc., and 3) She would not answer to another man (boss/manager/partner/etc.).

    She acquiesced, and, out of fairness, I was actually confronted with having to consider wifing her up, per her wishes (didn’t actually expect that one). In the end, after some deliberation, I let her go because she was hitting the wall and I had too many other younger, hotter, tighter side deals and options.

    Friends, if your woman is DEDICATED to a career, to working for another man (as opposed to a meaningless job necessary to earn some cash), she is not your woman. Don’t enter into a three party legal contract that includes the monopoly-of-force-wielding state (marriage), whereunder you are not the undisputed sovereign king of your domain (paging GBFM). Life is way too fucking short to be a serf on your own lands. Better to just go rogue. New ass is born every day. Harvest it (humanely), to the ends that support your mission in this world. Women exist to support your mission. Let them do that, and they will be fulfilled… they will love you for it.

    Out.

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    • Out of curiosity, how much money did you make a year at the time?

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    • LOL.

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    • “New ass is born every day.”

      A romantic poet is among us.

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      • on July 3, 2012 at 10:58 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

        a vaginas is like busssses — there is always anoteh rcumming along!!

        dat is why pussy and buss both have two ss’s like ass

        der is always another pussy, buss, and ass cummingsss alongs zlzolzozoz

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 10:57 am Great Books For Men GreatBooksForMen GBFM (TM) GB4M (TM) GR8BOOKS4MEN (TM) lzozozozozlzo (TM)

      lzozozozoozlzo

      damns rightz zlzozoozoz

      as long as your womenz is answering first and foremosts to another man she is his bitch lzozoozo

      and the funny thing is da man paysz her iwth fiat dollarz to answnwners to his losttsacszz cokass lzozlzozolzozozo

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    • on July 3, 2012 at 7:24 pm Dan Fletcher

      “Women exist to support your mission. Let them do that, and they will be fulfilled… they will love you for it.”

      Real talk. Something every man needs to hear.

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  39. A hot girl that is my friend on FB (friend of a friend of a friend) was engaged to an asshole. They broke up.

    Saw this status and laughed:
    “Treat her like a queen and she will treat you like a king. Treat her like a game and she will show you how it’s played.”

    I know it’s off topic from the post. My bad. Comments are welcome.

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    • It’s not off topic from the blog.

      Yeah, she’ll be longing for this asshole for years to come, while she settles with a beta who treats her like a queen, while cuckolding him. More likely than not even with the asshole who was treating her like a game.

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    • Treat a woman like a queen and she will (quite obviously) treat you like a pawn.

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  40. Believe it or not, most guys don’t care that you graduated at the top of your law school class, or that you have a diversified stock portfolio. Inevitably, you’ll be working 80 hours a week and come home too tired for sex. I’ll spend my days changing diapers and wasting my life watching daytime TV.

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  41. Correct – a high-earning woman is only a sugar-momma (and the man is a gigolo, by extension?)

    Off-topic, I just realized today – in the last hour or so – that I am turning into an uncaring asshole.

    The background of the realization is complicated. It boils down to some unflattering comments I made about some divorced bitch who remarried, pumped out another kid, and was having a passive-aggressive whine that her husband was upset because she put on some weight and couldn’t get it off. When a woman goes down the porky route, hubby sure ain’t gonna stay interested…

    Four feminazis tried the shame/blame/maim tactics on me. The usual “how DARE you..!” etc. All that I felt was amused. Surprising, given that I never thought that I’d achieve that state, yet suddenly it feels so damn NATURAL…

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  42. Wow. First you told us that we should lower our standards and settle

    [heartiste: …if you want to avoid loneliness and you don’t look very pretty. you left that part out.]

    and now you’re telling us that these low-earning men are actually not attracted to us?!

    [try again, readingcomprehensiongirl. i said that men are indifferent to women’s income. your money or career accomplishments exert no primal attraction force on men. what men love is beauty. so if you’re a beautiful rich woman, men of all income brackets will be attracted to you.]

    What should we do then?

    [stop trolling and read for comprehension before commenting.]

    Shall we keep looking for a guy who earns approximately the same as we do and hope that he will settle for our sagging breasts?

    [prioritize. fix your sagging tits.]

    (Even though he can get younger and prettier girls easily).

    [only if he’s got the goods. (goods subject to non-feminist and non-trollgirl interpretation.)]

    Help!

    [your phoniness is nauseating. as a certified troll you should be completely banned, but i find some usefulness in making an example of you for any other women reading.]

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    • “[heartiste: …if you want to avoid loneliness and you don’t look very pretty. you left that part out.]”

      Yes, I did leave this part out because we already know that I’m an aging plain jane!

      [heartiste: your phony sympathy ploys gain no traction with me because i know what an anti-male wretch you are elsewhere.]

      [try again, readingcomprehensiongirl. i said that men are indifferent to women’s income. your money or career accomplishments exert no primal attraction force on men. what men love is beauty. so if you’re a beautiful rich woman, men of all income brackets will be attracted to you.]

      No, you posted a link which says that men are more likely to cheat on high-earning women! “… men are TURNED OFF by women who make more than themselves.” <— your words.

      [pay close attention readingcomprehensiongirl: i wrote that a woman’s income has no DIRECT effect on a man’s penis. but her high income can have an indirect effect on his love and faithfulness by undermining his morale and feelings of self-worth. this tendency will be greatly exacerbated if she also happens to be ugly.]

      [fix your sagging tits.]

      It's not only breasts that are sagging! It's also the upper lid, cheeks etc.

      [fix em all, let god sort em out.]

      "[your phoniness is nauseating. as a certified troll you should be completely banned, but i find some usefulness in making an example of you for any other women reading.]"

      I'm not a troll!

      [your actions say otherwise.]

      I'm really sorry that you think I'm a troll

      [my opinion’s got nothin to do with it. the evidence is clear that you are.]

      … What should I do to convince you that I am not?

      [too late. but you could stop serving as an example of what not to be for younger women reading this blog. i mean, i’m just looking out for your best interests.]

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    • your phoniness is nauseating. as a certified troll you should be completely banned, but i find some usefulness in making an example of you for any other women reading.

      Good policy. You demonstrate your ethos better in contrast than in concord with a gaggle of supplicating yes-men.

      Although … it’s not Maya’s reading comprehension (or lack thereof) that’s doing her in. It is her inability to deal forthrightly with her predicament. She just wants to hear “shh, it’s gonna be all right, everything’s gonna be all right,” and anything that doesn’t confirm her misguided approach to aging is automatically rejected as incomprehensibly horrifying. It’s not an intellect deficiency, it’s a courage deficiency.

      Reason: You have to do A, B, and C to get D.

      Maya: But can’t I do X, Y, and Z!!!?!?

      Reason: No. You have to do A, B, and C.

      Maya: Somebody, anybody please tell me X, Y, and Z will give me D!!!

      [crickets]

      Maya: Why O why can’t I get D!!?!?

      “Help!” is the only honest word in her post. It’s the penultimate cri-de-coeur of a woman anticipating wall contact. What’s tragic is that she is wheedling away her last opportunities by wringing her hands instead of sitting down, shutting up, and listening. A problem with online communication: you can only virtually bitchslap a woman with your words, and the virtual doesn’t pack 1/10th of the punch of the physical sting.

      Matt

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      • “She just wants to hear “shh, it’s gonna be all right, everything’s gonna be all right,””

        Yes, that’s exactly what I want to hear! I can’t live anymore being constantly anxious about my future!

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      • So you heard it just now from King A, do you feel any less anxious now?

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      • Then stop reading this blog and settle for a beta.

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      • and her response will be ‘why should i have to settle for a beta?!?!’.

        and round and round we go….

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      • You know I respect the fact that you aren’t coming across like you know it all. Neither do we. What I know is that if you are anxious about anything you tend to make a bad choice. Relax, you will get what you want eventually if you take the time to evaluate your situation and make the necessary steps to accomplish them. I like saggy tits anyway. lol Just do.

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      • Yes, that’s exactly what I want to hear! I can’t live anymore being constantly anxious about my future!

        Read the following slowly and carefully, Maya.

        You want to hear words of reassurance without doing anything to gain that reassurance. That is not how the world works, little girl. Your consistent pattern of believing yourself entitled to relief without doing anything to contribute to that relief has earned you a bad reputation around here. There is only so much pity people can muster. And especially among men such as us gathered, pity is a curse word.

        I told you awhile back to figure out how to get religion. Whatever the quality of your faith, being conversant in parables of the Prodigal Son and the Good Shepherd will give you the language to understand what’s holding you back. You want redemption but you discount the possibility of redemption: I’m too old! I’m too anxious! It’s too late! These fears are common to all women (and men), and they have been dispensed with for millennia.

        When you cry, Somebody Save Me, you are actually qualifying your plea with an arrogant Save Me My Way. You want to know how to get from here to there, but only if it factors into your preconceptions about the nature of salvation. You think you are waiting for Superman, but your kryptonite despair prevents him from doing in you what needs to be done.

        This is why “Captain Save A Ho” has such a low opinion in these parts: attempting to help a woman like you is a fool’s game and the sure sign of a dupe. Everyone but you and your white-knight champions understand the futility of saving a girl who is unconsciously doing twice as much to sabotage herself. It is obvious to those of us observing you that you undermine the efforts of everyone who gives you constructive criticism, the host of this site being the prime example.

        Both you and beta white knights agree that the woman should not have to contribute to her own salvation. The moment you find a man — such as CH — who demonstrates this dream to be a deleterious deception, you pursue him with all the manic energy your warped childhood has given you. But The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, and neither will your redemption be consummated online. You must seek among the dweebs and omegas you know a man with some hint that he understands the futility of the white knight. Then you must encourage him against the culture to treat you with tough, even caustic love. Then you must submit your will to him totally.

        I told you this at least a year ago, and rather than making slow, steady progress toward shaping a man out of beta clay, you continued your cringe-making one-sided romance with a virtual entity. What do you have to show for it?

        Your posts here should not be mash notes pining after the impossible. You should be reporting to us your trials and errors in dealing with the real world and real men. That we can help you with. Admittedly there is not much material for you to work with, particularly in Europe where they are ahead of the curve in terms of end-state beta castration. But you can either work with the materials at hand or start collecting cats. Believing yourself destined to be a forlorn and frumpy Fräulein of the Feline is a self-fulfilling prophesy.

        Matt

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      • Thanks for your comment but I don’t believe in god so he won’t help me.

        “I told you this at least a year ago, and rather than making slow, steady progress toward shaping a man out of beta clay, you continued your cringe-making one-sided romance with a virtual entity. What do you have to show for it?”

        What can I do? I’m in love with CH and I can’t help. What if he is in love with me too? I can’t be sure that he isn’t! So I’m not wasting my time here – maybe we’ll get married and have kids someday! Besides, I can’t think of other guys because I’m in love with Heartiste – isn’t it logical?

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      • I am not saying believe in God. I am explaining the distant source of your frustration. When you put a man in place of God, you get exactly the ill consequences you are suffering through. You are not a special snowflake. Billions have preceded you in your stubbornness, all ending in the same sorry predicament for which everyone around you has lost patience.

        But, as before, the exposition of a rational cause-and-effect argument is impervious to the estrogen-saturated tofu resident in your cranium.

        Everything in your statement that precedes “isn’t it logical?” is predicated in such persistent, willful, and confounding error that logic never gets a chance to contribute. You have no place in an exchange of non-superficial rhetoric. It is so utterly above your head that our only recourse is violence — a violence you privately crave, as it is the only possible way to get your shambles of a house in order.

        As violence is impossible and not worth the physical effort in your case, and as I have no obligation to teach you to fish or give you a fish, much less force feed you the fish, you remain destined to twist and twist around your false sensibilities until you ultimately choose suicide. Slowly realized self-slaughter is the common end-point of all addictions. I “shake the dust off my feet” with you. (Look it up in the bible. Familiarize yourself with the ur-text of your culture, even if you can’t believe it. Especially if you can’t believe it.)

        I would think you were putting on an elaborate show like GBFM if you weren’t so implacably constant on the lowest wavelength of the intellectual spectrum. Even a very good hoaxer would slip up from time to time and accidentally make an intelligent observation.

        Matt

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      • “Use every man after his desert, and who should ’scape whipping? Use them after your own honor and dignity. The less they deserve, the more merit is in your bounty.”

        Litmus test. I would admonish “Maya” not to dry up the well nor waste people’s time, but no effort such as this is wasted: the words intended for one may reach another. That is the legacy of print.

        In the spirit of demonstration, Maya, its very true you can’t think of other guys when you’re in love with someone. You won’t even see them. Anxiety is natural when you feel your gifts are going to waste. And only someone who had something to offer would fret about not have the avenue to express it. Step away from the Monet and see the full picture. Its too easy to get bogged down in details and fall into analysis paralysis.

        I came across this article you might fine useful at Emma’s. http://emmatheemo.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/if-youre-a-woman-reading-chateau-heartiste/ Pay particular attention to zia’s comment as that is the most pertienent.

        Take what you have learned here to heart, but don’t let it beat you down. It will, if you let it. A bitch slap is not the answer; only the gentlest of people have ever been able to reach me. You’re looking for answers in the wrong place. You don’t go to an eye doctor because your foot hurts. No one here, that I know of, is trained to handle a woman who has been abused. You’ll have to look for that kind of help elsewhere. One person cannot be all things to another. We must learn to accept what people can give and look for what they cannot give elsewhere.

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      • Brilliant female perspective, GeishaKate. If Maya is still listening. I doubt it.

        Maybe she just has to hear it from a sister. Then again, she has been impervious to the tough wisdom from her beloved for over a year now. It makes me wonder whether a woman can be delivered from her misery when she is actively (if unconsciously) working against that deliverance.

        Matt

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      • It is always hardest to hear the tough wisdom of a beloved. As Mr. Knightley said to Emma, “Better be without sense than misapply it as you do.” What can one do but regroup and try again.

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  43. And now for a word from our typical American Christian pastor about what men should do in the modern feminist environment

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    • It’s hard to take this douchebag seriously…that is, unless you hear his dubstep.

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    • Yes, these heterodox chumps give all Christians a bad name. This is what happens when you skim scripture to retrofit the Word of God to inherited atheist ideologies and cultural fashions they are too stupid to detect in themselves, much less counter at large.

      Witness the end stages of make-it-up-as-you-go Protestantism. Church “leaders” screaming like scorned women. Such impotence.

      Five-hundred years is a neat round number. In 2017 we should see the last of “bishops” who publicly proclaim their love of cock and priestesses in lavender cassocks “leading” their congregations with shrill, bird-like proclamations of the ungendered “Gospel.”

      Y’all imagine religion to be obsolescent because this brand of hollow rage in the service of female pedestalization constitutes your entire exposure to it. I’d bail too. Sooner than you. What self-respecting man would get showered by that feeble fat-headed apostate’s spittle for one second without laughing in his face and turning away? What they call “churches” are big box omega factories. Their young victims need an alternative.

      Matt

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      • Matt:

        what religion are you exactly? Obviously a Christian, but what flavor? Do you care very much about differences in theology within a Christian framework?

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      • King A is about truth and truth is about King A and there’s no “flavor” in truth, there’s only one truth and it’s MY TRUTH!

        Are you seriously expecting a straightforward answer to a straightforward question with King A?

        Oh I forgot: bla bla bla bla bla
        …..
        bla bla bla bla

        bla bla.

        Matt

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      • Wow, just wow.

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      • on July 4, 2012 at 11:12 am Mr. Pointyface

        KING a — having an invisible friend means your friend can always tell you you’re right! A big benefit for reactionary blowhards….

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      • Tyrone, I am orthodox Catholic.

        No, I don’t care very much about the theosophical minutiae among brothers in Christ, like the filioque or sola scriptura or even the Real Presence. Not as a practical matter anyway. It is enough that a man “confess[es] one baptism” at my side so that we may fight the most proximate enemies together. A Christian of any denomination is well advised to kill ’em all, let God sort ’em out, and address the internecine differences with fellow crusaders postbellum.

        Evangelicals play with half a deck, but they use every card. Catholics have the full deck — seven sacraments — but we only use a fraction of what’s at our disposal, and poorly at that. So as much as I think Protestantism has run its course, I don’t begrudge any Protestant per se. In fact I admire them for their unabashed zeal as a model for every lazy papist, including me, to emulate.

        So obviously I care. It just isn’t the era to be fussing so much about the trivia designed to wedge us from our brothers.

        Matt

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  44. “To save this nation from ruin, value men’s work and, yes, devalue women’s work. This 60-year reversed polarity is killing from the inside. 19 minutes ago”

    DEVALUE women’s work? What do you mean by that? That women shouldn’t be payed as much as men are?

    [heartiste: no. women’s pay is taken care of by market mechanisms. i mean stop extolling the sorts of work that women do. it’s only considered “devaluing” because their work is already overvalued in the cultural zeitgeist.]

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  45. 35 year old male perspective here: taking marriage out of the equation, I think a woman with a good job is an attractive trait when I’m looking at women as potential companions. These are women that are typically over 30, and in dating these women I don’t imagine myself having children with them.

    But with girls 30 and younger that I view as potential mates, careerism is obnoxious and huge turnoff. I don’t care if they work or go to school, and its great if they like what they do, but if they don’t have higher ideals and priorities about life, family, children and happiness, I don’t see them as feminine. Although I will say, when I’m dating a younger girl I do find out what kind of shape their finances are in. Not going to commit to some gal with 100k in student loan debt.

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    • I agree about the student loan debt. Any debt is corrupting to begin with; a girl who would rather a lifetime of debt is stupid compared to a girl who will take the status hit and downgrade to part time community college.

      A feminine girl would be disappointed to go to a less prestigious school but would benefit. It would qualify a whole order of magnitude of men as higher status. It would free her conceptions of the white-collar woman as the only career path. It would give her more social time. Etc.

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  46. OT but it would be cool to see a post on the classic “Secretary Problem” which could be compared with the feminists’ idea of how many men a woman has to date to find Mr. Right

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

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    • enter link
      see hoard of math
      close tab

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    • I find it interesting that, using this algorithm, people with the lowest numbers of potential mates have the best odds of selecting the one (among that low number) who’s best for them. The odds of picking the partner who fits you the best decreases to the lower limit of 1/e (about 37%) as the number of potential partners goes to infinity, but it’s still over 40% if your “number” is a single digit, and is (necessarily) 50% if you only have two potential mates. With only one potential partner, congratulations, you’ve picked as well as you can if you commit to her the day you meet her!

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      • Yeah, if you’ve only got one choice, you will always pick the best one. People with more options get better quality in absolute terms.

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  47. ‘High-earning’ woman = careerist woman (!= family woman!!!) = likely feminist demagogue = marriage? lol…

    Not a formula which is absolutely true in all cases, no. But just some associations to watch out for.

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  48. lol fucking love these chicks. I’m actually focusing more on them as of this summer cause I’m in a city with a ton of corporate women. Ages 28-40 making tons of bank. They have nothing to spend their $ on except making themselves look better (clothes, surgery, tanning, esthetics, etc) and a man. They’re just sitting on tons of money dying to have someone to spend it on.

    The downside is they’re retarded like the comment girl in this article where they still think they’re as high value a catch as they were when they were 20 and they have layers and layers of Disney fantasies built up about what they deserve and a Sex & The City view of how empowered they should be etc etc.

    So there’s a lot of retarded shit to barrel thru lol but they buy me things and drive me around in their fancy cars and have swank expensive condos to bang in and they pay for dinner and alcohol so it balances out to me. 🙂

    Btw this type of chick using online dating is shooting herself in the foot. The shit that’s actually attractive to her won’t come thru on an okcupid profile. It’s like a guy saying “okay all the girls who want me to choose them come over with zits on your face and your hair messy and wearing a moo-moo”. By default all those guys are starting at a disadvantage but because she’s deluded herself via feminism and anti-game to not accept that the alpha janitor could rock her world better than the beta $500k/yr guy she’ll forever be stuck in a cycle of dissatisfaction till she buys enough cats to keep her content.

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  49. “Thanks to feminists, obama sent stimulus money to women’s jobs instead of infrastructure jobs suited for men. http://bit.ly/sBkYI

    Sickening article. Fembots are a nasty powerful breed, and pussycrats are more pussy-whipped than ever.
    I’m just appalled by the powerlessness of american men. And I feel just… indifferent. Are we in a vicious circle, where the success of feminism makes masculine men lose the desire to fight and get their testicles back? Or is it a lost battle?
    I’m leaning towards the second hypothesis, as long as women suffrage is accounted for and feared by sackless politicians, there’s no way for men to ever make a come-back before this country collapses.

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    • Brainwashing, mostly.

      I have noticed the younger generation is very, very uneager to describe themselves as feminists. It may be a generational thing. We may win yet.

      Wir mussen die Feministen ausrotten!

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  50. I thought only niggazz wanted women to spend money on them.

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  51. “It occurred to me that feminists of today are not really feminists in the traditional sense. The old school feminists were about trying to improve the lives of women, but today’s feminists are about trying to diminish the quality of men’s lives. ”

    Where do these silly notions come from?

    http://wombatty.blogtownhall.com/2012/05/14/early_feminists_moderate_or_radical.thtml

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Legal_Subjection_of_Men#Matrimonial_Privileges_Of_Women.

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  52. Men Aren’t Attracted to High-Earning Women

    Hmmm…I think I COULD get it up for Sofia Vergara. Hell, I could even be coaxed into a stiffy for Madonner, if she forked over enough cash.

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    • You will save on your utilities since dim lighting works best here. I hear a lot of complaints about the flash draining the batteries from those guys who have a camera on their shoe at the mall who I think don’t see the downside to so much detail.

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      • You get “a lot of complaints” from those guys, huh?

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      • Yeah, I know where you are going, but I can head that off by saying I sell batteries. You on the other hand are in the market for ceder shavings. You know where I am going with that?

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      • Hey, I’m merely honored by an anonymous poster
        with VIP access to The Portrait of the great heartiste (as a young man)
        attentive to my potential tumescence
        regarding Sofia Vergara

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  53. the graph for “Change in share of women married, by earnings, 1970-2011″ shows that every marriage is higher for women who make more money. It would be a good idea to do a similar plot for men too. If the marriage rate for men with money is higher too, it just means people with means marry more and not that men like women with money.

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  54. I would not go so far as to say that a woman making a high salary turns me off in any way. But, I don’t think it adds anything in terms of attractiveness.

    As long as the woman does not have a bad work ethic, her salary is just kind of a nice bonus. But, you cannot and should not consider her salary in terms of her attractiveness, because you cannot count on it. Let me tell you, when the kids come she could very likely go part-time or decide to stay home, and you will find you WANT her to stay home. Not so that it gives you more power, but because even if she makes more money than you, she is the one coming home in tears because she only sees her children awake for maybe an hour most days, and now spending all day at work makes her miserable because all she does is think about someone else watching the kids.

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  55. So are the women that want high status husbands going to stop voting democrat? or is it, as whiskey says, a feature not a bug?

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  56. It seems to me either way then women are prey objects to an extent. Poor women are prey for men with money that want to use that to control them. Rich women are prey objects for men that want to be taken care of. When it comes to being prey I’d rather be the rich woman then at least she has her security to care for herself while the poor woman could be used for sex and left still poor because it’s obvious the man is protecting his money by not marrying her.

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    • Of course. Kill or be killed–that is the Law! Are we not men?

      There is no justice. There is only power.

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  57. So let me get this straight:

    [heartiste: when i hear this i know a curvilinear thought process is about to muddy the waters.]

    if I want a man to marry me, whether he’s settling for me or not, I better have a good job.

    [no. if you want to maximize your odds of getting a high value man to marry you, be young and be hot. once you’ve fulfilled those prerequisites, be chaste and be feminine. your job only matters inasmuch as it affords you entry into the social milieu in which high value men circulate.]

    If I want to get fucked by PUAs, who have no interest in getting married,

    [some former players do settle down and want to get married. so your premise is full of shit.]

    ever (like our author),

    [i prefer the marriage proxy route: LTRs. all the fun, none of the threat.]

    jobs are irrelevant.

    [false premise #2 (or is it #3?). a woman’s job is irrelevant to attracting all types of men, from the monogamous-minded to the player. if you are young and hot, you will attract men whether you are a CEO or an unemployed drifter.]

    Thanks, but I think I’ll stick with the Times’ advice.

    [and that is why you need advice.]

    I get who this blog is aimed at, but in this case, our goals are directly opposite.

    [check yoself before you discredit yoself.]

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  58. Maybe it makes me sound like a white knight mangina, but honestly this is about the only thing that makes me feel bad for women in america. There’s lots of people who just aren’t physically endowed but who have a lot of cerebral talent. A man in this situation will very often be a sexless loser throughout early adulthood, but redemption as he uses his gifts to gain social status is his light at the end of the tunnel. A female born into such a circumstance has no such SMV payoff awaiting her at the end and in fact things will only ever get worse as she does the only rational thing and taps into her intellectual potential to maximize her earning power and social status. Just a few flings with alphas she’s ashamed to be attracted to who will never commit to her in her 20s and bitterness and cats for decades after her prime years have passed. It sounds loathsome.

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    • You have the ability to step outside yourself and put yourself into women’s shoes. You have empathy. Admirable. Women are valued mostly by their looks, and those looks are fleeting and the average women has numerous physical flaws. It’s a tough gig. Hot ones have all the fun, for a short window of time anyway until they die their first death: the loss of their attractiveness.

      Just remember one thing however, your empathy isn’t reciprocated by women. 99.9% of them don’t give a fuck about the plight of men. They’re are by order of magnitude more solipsistic. If a mass a betas were laying in a heap on the side of the road dying of starvation, women would quickly drive by in their SUV while on their iPhone talking to their girlfriend about all these creepy weirdos in the road.

      Save your empathy for women in your circle: family, girlfriends, and friends.

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    • “A female born into such a circumstance has no such SMV payoff awaiting her at the end…”

      Nope, she can have it at the beginning. This is America, where almost any woman can be above average simply by dieting and going to the gym.

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  59. A decline in social mobility would result in more emphasis on potential partner wealth/income for both sexes. Look at the Caribbean toyboys “attracted” to banged up 40 something jalopies

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  60. Nobody is attracted to women anymore.

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  62. another white man holiday? Father’s day. zing!

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  64. As a Spanish saying goes: “Who doesn’t cry, doesn’t suck [the tit]”; and you very well deserve it.
    Thank you.

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  65. All right: men can and do marry for reasons that have nothing to do with sexual attraction. Just like women. What you leave out here, though, is that men quite often have sex for reasons that have little or nothing to do with sexual attraction: its human; its female; its alive; its over the age of consent and under the age of decrepitude. Let’s go.

    Until the last generation or so (a recent ghastly Amy Schumer appearance is proof that it does happen now), women didn’t do this sort of thing unless they were financially desperate. Men did, often. That was always the more interesting, if peculiar, issue to me. “You slept with *her*? Why? Not only do you hate her, you always said you thought she was so repulsive…”

    I only wish my own sex hadn’t decided to go down the same road. Our biggest mistake, I suppose, was and remains the fact that for some absurd reason, we’re flattered by the appearance of male desire, although common sense should tell us that such desire is a) easy to provoke; and b) can in fact be faked.

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