Insider Look At Pickup Artist Workshops

Two blog posts offer a valuable insider’s look at a couple of pickup artist workshops (aka “bootcamps”). There aren’t enough impartial customer-based reviews of seduction workshops which aim to teach men the science and art of game, so any information that seems authentic — i.e. not written by a friend of the PUA guru as a marketing gimmick — will get highlighted here for the readers’ benefit. And the Chateau offer to readers who wish to write guest posts about their experiences with bootcamps, good or bad, still stands.

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The first review comes from KrauserPUA. He came across this popular Chateau blog post featuring a video of PUA Yad doing a street kiss close in ten minutes that you have to see to believe. It is one of the best videos out there testifying to the power of game to create sexual attraction in women from absolutely nothing except pure energy. KrauserPUA was suitably impressed, and decided to contact Yad to work on his daygame skills.

Part Three of Four: I take a one-on-one tutorial

I’ve been frustrated with the recent plateau in my game. Any time I go out daygaming I’ll come home with a fistful of numbers / facebooks / instant dates but I’m just not converting. In addition my state is still too variable and some days I struggle to hook sets. Hours of DVDs have been studied, blogs read, and introspection performed. I’m well over 500 sets into my daygame career. Time for some outside help.

There’s not many good daygamers out there. I’m fully prepared to drop a few hundred pounds on high quality instruction – this is a part of my life that consumes hours and hours of every single week – but I need to find a guy who is not just better than me but who also has a style that fits. Having been in the London scene since last summer I whittle the short list down to five names. One name stands above all others so I email this guy. A week goes by then he accepts the proposition and quotes a price that is high but justified if he lives up to his rep.

Readers know I constantly admonish aspiring PUAs to mistrust snake oil sellers and to insist on in-field evidence. I sought out this guy because (i) I’ve seen legit in field vids of him (ii) a number of people I know and respect spoke highly of him and (iii) his haters fail to find any credible argument against him. What didn’t interest me in the slightest was whether he worked for a famous pick up company.

But a good video does not necessarily a good instructor make. Maybe the guru can perform well when it’s just himself opening sets, but fails when he attempts to impart his knowledge to acolytes. I have heard from friends who took bootcamps that oftentimes the instructor’s method of teaching is to simply push students into sets like a marine sargeant barking orders.

We meet and go to his house to watch my videos. For over an hour he is playing them, pausing and commenting on what I do well, do badly, fail to do, and related theory behind the observations. He’s a technically astute and observant guy. About 90% of what he says I’m nodding my head in immediate agreement and there’s a few things in particular where I’m thinking “woah, that’s spot on. I totally didn’t realise that”. Before we’ve even left his house I feel I’ve gotten my money’s worth. The main insights:

– I’m failing to build rapport quickly
– I’m not talking enough about her
– I’m not personalising the conversation.

So far so good. Students need to take some responsibility for a successful workshop experience as well. Having videos of yourself approaching girls would, I imagine, greatly aid instructors trying to help you figure out where your flaws lie and how to fix them.

We head out to Oxford Street and he demos the first set, a leggy Austrian girl in short shorts. He hooks easily and its ten minutes much along the lines of what’s in the above linked video.

Sounds like this guy Yad is as advertised in his street pickup video. There are a lot of hucksters in the seduction community, (as in any burgeoning business model with an underserved base of potential customers), so when the genuine article comes along, the Chateau will extend its praise.

My thoughts?

He’s definitely the real deal. Although in raw performance I out-gamed him (closed hotter girls, got the instant date) I think that’s just because he wasn’t in his top gear and was spending more energy watching me than gaming for himself – which is exactly what he should be doing as a paid instructor. There’s no doubt in my mind that the famous “10 minute kiss close” video linked above is legit.
There is absolutely nothing about him or his game that I can’t do…. eventually. He’s not relying on his looks, money or position. Every part of his success is behaviour, words and vibe and he showed me how he got those skills. I simply have to keep working until I get them too.
His game is essentially the same as mine, just better. I trend more towards the alpha / masculine side but beneath his gentle yeti exterior he subcommunicates strong masculine polarity and the girls pick up on it.
His apprenticeship relied upon the same nerdish laser focus as my own: diarising the time, approaching girl after girl, day after day, committing fully to the skill set.

It’s great to see someone who is good enough to make it worth modelling their behaviours, and yet close enough that it feels attainable. This guy is a proof of concept – you can bang the hottest of girls in the prime of their lives using nothing but learned game and with no physical or situational advantages. This is the very embodiment of game.

Glad to see this guy found a good instructor and success for the money he paid. The Chateau, as usual, is ahead of the curve in identifying and bringing to the readers valuable information and resources that will improve their game and love life. There is more to KrauserPUA’s review, so go there to read the rest. He’s a proponent of the instadate; you should be, too. Instadates are flake-proof.

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The second insider-y review comes from regular reader Kidstrangelove, who writes about his experience with a PUA lair event in New York City (not to be confused with pickup workshops which are more intensive, and also more expensive).

First off, the meeting space was in a dance and acting rehearsal center, and the first thing I saw when I walked in were dancers of all ages. Was I in the wrong place? No, there it was, the familiar look of peacocking, in full presence. I have never really seen intense peacocking till that day, thinking that the infamous Mystery and Neil Strauss pic was just a tall tale. […]

Luckily for me, the guys that spoke at the very first lair meeting I attended were Rob Judge and Zack Bauer, two guys whose philosophy on girls influences till this day. So I figured, what the heck, I’ll come to a few of these. Now, one year later I can give you a good description of what goes on there, so here we go – the good, bad and ugly of the NYC lairs.

Kidstrangelove goes on to list the good, bad and ugly of this particular lair meeting. Examples:

The speakers, knowing that they have very little time to talk, usually give you their “best material”. You really save a lot of time, money and effort, and without the need to filter through marketing bullshit. I heard that Richard La Ruina, aka Gambler, had a notorious reputation of being more of a marketer than a coach, but when I heard him speak, he really got to the core of what his philosophies were about, and I actually learned something. […]

Mystery gave a brief presentation in Virginia a few years ago (before his VH1-induced fame hit the inflection point on his power curve) which representatives of the Chateau attended, and the same impression was had — the core philosophy was ably covered in the short time available. Mystery is more charismatic than the average dude in real life, and highly intelligent, but if you observe carefully you can make out the latent nerd in him bubbling just under the surface, like Lewis Skolnick about to let loose with an asthmatic cackle. In the future, cultural anthropologists, if they are fair and balanced, will regard Mystery as a more important philosopher and paradigm shifter than the leading economists and respectable mainstream pundits of his day.

A huge chunk of the people that come there are socially inept in one way on another, and therefore make SHITTY wingmen. From lifelong nerds, to people new to the USA with the unsexiest of accents, to people who think verbal game is the end all, be all of self improvement (and therefore do not concentrate on their appearance). You can tell – a lot of these guys need help, on the bright side, however, they usually are persistent with their changes. But I don’t want a protege – I want an even matched wing, or better yet – someone BETTER than me.

There are some natural alpha males who attend pickup workshops and seminars, but the majority of attendees are nerdy or otherwise socially maladroit men who happen to have good-paying jobs and lots of discretionary cash. The money and societally acceptable lifestyle is obviously not getting them laid, so they turn to PUA teachers to lead them out of the wilderness. Hopefully, these gurus take their responsibility seriously, because they are doing nothing less than saving lives from years of soul-crushing loneliness. You want to make a man happy? Get him laid.

This is also why the Chateau has repeatedly counseled — against the strawmen of the haters — that the goal of PUAdom is not to get nerds laid with “9s and 10s”, but to get them success with women a point or two above what they are normally used to dating. Such an improvement, if executed on a society-wide scale, would cause a massive seismic disturbance in the mating market that would be felt from the cities to the country, by cougars and by kittens. One million average men suddenly dating up from 4s and 5s to 6s and 7s would have a huge impact on the dynamics of the dating market, starting with a crash in the entitlement stock of millions of plain jane American women. The younger, inexperienced and idealistic men ask: can a man be happy with anything less than a 10? Of course. In real life, when a man learns the skills that enable him to date 7s instead of the 5s he has spent his whole life dating, his happiness shoots through the roof. Most men would be perfectly content dating women just a point or two better than their usual fare.

People Lie and “Embellish the truth”. There was always a question and answer session before each meeting. You can tell a lot of these guys are exaggerating, you can tell a lot of these guys are straight bullshitting. My bullshit detector is very strong, but to an absolute beginner – they might believe the hype. It’s like keyboard jockeying – live and in front of you!

Yes, anytime there is status and money (big sums of money) on the line, there will follow lies and marketing. Your job as an educated consumer is to sift through the detritus to find the few gems worthy of your expense.

Some Instructors are either horrible or limited. I think I’ll let my friend’s post on CH’s blog answer that. I was there. The presenter was Nick Sparks of The Social Man. And everything said in that post is true.

The Chateau is not anti-PUA workshop. They undoubtedly serve a valuable function as thousands of men are still ponying up big bucks to instructors across the world in the quest to attract more and better quality pussy. If the bootcamps and workshops were all scams, it would be common knowledge by now, nearly a decade after the first in-field seminars were established.

But there are shysters out there, and they need to be identified and shamed out of business. Plus, many seduction businesses charge what seem to Chateau proprietors to be exorbitant fees for what they are delivering. Nonetheless, that is more of a moral issue than a business ethics issue, for as long as there are men willing to spend thousands for weekend trips to the clubs with experienced PUAs, the market will respond by charging those prices that maximize profit.

So all in all it was an entertaining experience. Would I recommend it to others? Sure, because going to these meeting represents a proactive step in getting better with girls, which we can all respect and agree on.

In due time, the sorting process will allow the cream of the seduction businesses to rise to the top, while the squirrelly outfits sink into oblivion. Websites like this one can be a valuable consumer protection resource. In the future, perhaps the Chateau will set up a ranking system of the best to worst pickup workshops and bootcamps and their instructors, which readers can reference at a glance should they decide to shell out for professional instruction.





Comments


  1. on August 10, 2010 at 1:04 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    I agree with you on Mystery. The guy solved the riddle of social dynamics and he was able to clarify for the average joe.

    What he wrote is Nobel Piece Prize worthy.

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  2. You can tell a lot of these guys are exaggerating, you can tell a lot of these guys are straight bullshitting.

    I may be biased because of Neil Strauss but the one video I saw of Durden made my BS meter explode.

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  3. I’ve said it before–that particular post with the Yad video are what pulled me in.

    In the future, cultural anthropologists, if they are fair and balanced, will regard Mystery as a more important philosopher and paradigm shifter than the leading economists and respectable mainstream pundits of his day.

    Yes. If the forces of order, good, and truth awarded Lifetime Achievement baubles Mystery would have a couple by now.

    I’m doing a Love Systems bootcamp this weekend led by Future. I’ll be interested to see how it is.

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  4. imo, the best PUA i’ve found on the internets is yad and sashapua, who is yad’s buddy…sasha is the man!

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  5. The Yad video was the best eye-opener in the world for men I know.

    They didn’t believe it. And then they tried.

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  6. Workshops shouldn’t be necessary, given the material on the web.

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  7. Workshops shouldn’t be necessary, given the material on the web.

    the other observation to make here is that people like mystery and style put their game together without all the advantages and boosts. but it took them a long time and a lot of frustration. they were insanely determined.

    the argument in favor of workshops and coaching? an observed example may be worth a thousand articles and routines.

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  8. I’m just waiting for retarded bitches like Sniper to roll in talking about how this shit is bunk or only works on women who are naive, insecure, vulnerable, uneducated, blah blah blah.

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  9. With fake testimonials, fake bootcamp reviews, and a complete and utter dearth of infield videos, it’s clear the PUA industry is a sham.

    Read this REAL review of a Love Systems bootcamp:

    http://lovesystemsthemilkedcowsystems.blogspot.com/2010/02/part-3-after-bootcamp.html

    Poor guy, $1500 for 8 hours of wandering the streets of Montreal? He goes into further detail of his bootcamp experience on his blog.

    Here’s Biskit’s bio on the Love Systems page:
    http://www.lovesystems.com/team-bios/biskit

    “Biskit learned to recognize and adapt to different cultures. Notches on his bedpost to date include Swedish models, Montreal actresses, Mexican yoga instructors, French tennis phenoms… and that’s just in the past year.”

    This is the clown on Keys to the VIP, a pickup show.

    http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5981050/Keys_to_the_VIP_Fogle_4_Season3_2_4

    He creeps out every girl he approaches. No game whatsoever. It’s all BS. What a fraud.

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  10. In due time, the sorting process will allow the cream of the seduction businesses to rise to the top, while the squirrelly outfits sink into oblivion.

    Libertarian much? Come on, think of those unspent stimulus funds, we need a federal regulatory agency to be established where you can retire early with platinum benefits with GS-15 pay. Call it the Venuvian Accreditation Grant Licencing of Instruction for Cocksman; or the Feder vag-lic agency.

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  11. @rhettro
    the argument in favor of workshops and coaching? an observed example may be worth a thousand articles and routines.

    Of course, the Internet has to be supplemented by an unerring drive to experiment.

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  12. It worked on me, I suppose you could say, and I’m “overeducated.”

    He came up to me and said, Hi I’d like to meet you. We started chatting and now we’ve been together for almost a year in a monogamous relationship. Other than the opener (mainly, the courage to approach and be relaxed about it) and his confidence, none of the PUA player type stuff was involved.

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  13. Guys are always looking for shortcuts. Tips n’ tricks. That’s why the bootcamps are so popular.

    Might be better to master what you already know instead of always seeking novelty.

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  14. As scot F.Fitzgerald said :” cut all those the exclamation marks. an exclamation mark is like laughing at your own jokes”

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  15. KUATO IS MY WINGMAN.

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  16. I’m inspired by that Yad video.

    I’ve never seen a 9 minute kiss close on the street. Damn!

    I am going to have to start trying that. It makes the simple number close look like what wimps do.

    For me on that London street, I would have let the small woman pass by and probably gone for the full-figured taller British women I saw walking by…but, damn, that street kiss close was brilliant.

    If you like Russian women, read the authors they are likely to have loved (Dostoevski, Bulgakov) and see some of the hit films (Irony of Fate, Love in the Big City). I’m truly amazed Yad got by talking about that Disney film of Anastasia without at least knowing the history behind the Anastasia legend. He made up for it joking about Masha being “short” for Maria.

    He got into her space and she accepted that. Good move.

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  17. Yad is pretty incredible. The guy is absolutely not physically attractive, doesn’t have a high-paying day job or fame or status…but is able to pull quality pussy off the street like buying mangos from a fruit vendor.

    If this doesn’t inspire a man to get out there and take his shots, nothing will. You can get private lessons and bootcamps and shit, but practice is really the only surefire thing to bring success.

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  18. on August 10, 2010 at 2:06 pm gunslingergregi

    How bout a fuck close with hot strippers 90 percent of the time within 10 minutes. Oh wait that is hot strippers not “quality” woman. Carry on.

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  19. And Yad is one ugly mothafucka

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  20. on August 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm gunslingergregi

    Seriously though arpagus who we don’t see anymore got a fuck close with apocalypse opener. What does that tell you?

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  21. Not sure if workshops are necessary – especially since the Mystery Method is so cheaply available.

    I’d be suspicious of this natural game stuff: To this recovering omega, it sounds like “just be yourself”.
    Listened to Tyler D’s stuff – the Blueprint has a lot of that, though Foundations was pretty good.

    Katherine – Every man uses Game – just the lucky ones have known it since they were teenagers. Rest of us have had to learn it.

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  22. And Dragnet is right – practice is the key.

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  23. one of the more fascinating things in this area i’ve seen was this young kid who read mystery method, then started from scratch, but documented it all on video. he called it mypuajourney . Now this dude’s doing instruction/camps and shit

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  24. The best reason for workshops, one on ones, etc?

    Because you can’t see yourself from an outside point of view. You can’t see your body language. You may have blindspots about your self and your game that only an outside observer can see.

    Then, once spotted and told to you, they can be worked on and improved.

    I still don’t think it’s worth upwards to $3000.

    DD

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  25. What he wrote is Nobel Piece Prize worthy.

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  26. > What he wrote is Nobel Piece Prize worthy.

    I see what you did there.

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  27. on August 10, 2010 at 2:48 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’on August 10, 2010 at 2:34 pm DaveD
    The best reason for workshops, one on ones, etc?

    Because you can’t see yourself from an outside point of view. You can’t see your body language. You may have blindspots about your self and your game that only an outside observer can see.

    Then, once spotted and told to you, they can be worked on and improved.

    I still don’t think it’s worth upwards to $3000.

    DD

    ””””’
    but if it got you what you want it might be worth a 100g’s

    What is the most important descision a man will make in his life?

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  28. Just saw “Dinner For Schmucks”. Don’t bother. The screen-writer, in having the smart “hero” beg his estranged gf back and marrying her, didn’t understand that the hero had become the schmuck. Really poor writing and not in touch with the PUA Zeitgeist that is supposed to be running through America now (not).

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  29. Gorbachev

    Workshops shouldn’t be necessary, given the material on the web.

    You’re exactly the kind of guy that would find materials on the web enough.

    From what you said to me at length in response to my asking you why you were once (higher) beta, you were always socially adept, good at chatting up and being friends with pretty and beautiful women, good at interesting them. But before a certain point you weren’t good at converting that to scoring, or keeping women you did score from further betaizing you, gaining all hand, and losing interest.

    Your whole problem was in your deeply buying into the feminist and chivalrous belief system and way of looking at women and relations between men and women. That’s best unlearned on the web. Especially right here.

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  30. @rhettro: Do tell us how it goes.

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  31. Gorb–

    For less socially adept guys workshops and one on one may be a different story. As DaveD says.

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  32. Workshops may only be providing a guideline. Can’t just follow a script. The themes and patterns to game needs to be identified , but the most interesting game is when we use our own style and personality to make it unique and our own. As I said before, you all need to be flexible in your application–depending on whom you are applying it , when ,where . Workshops can never teach intuition and good sense in feeling whom the game is targeted. Experience is utmost important.

    Having a good sense of your target is VERY important.

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  33. Closing russian chicks on street is one step up from closing tijuana hookers, or black ghetto ho’s at Port Authority bus station…

    The MAIN issue with most men ( and esp, in NYC) is their stress level. Most are going/coming to work when they see hot women and are too keyed up to be in relaxed mode to pick up..

    By happy hour its too late as 1000000 guys are in same mode.

    If you dont give a crap about stress and realize u will be driving a minivan with a fat wife after only 7 women, if you dont change, then AND only then will your game improve.

    #’s per CDC

    The avg guy has 52 weekends x 8 yrs x 20% of getting a number x 10% change of banging, before he is married at 29

    52 x 8 x 20% x 10%= 8 lifetime partners

    And the above %s are generous….only way to turn this on head is be on right side of #s game…start earlier 29 (easy), but 50% of men cheat/caught and lose 60% of $ in divorce

    Your pick, your going to have < 8 partners & 50+% chance of losing half your money….

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  34. With fake testimonials, fake bootcamp reviews, and a complete and utter dearth of infield videos, it’s clear the PUA industry is a sham.

    Read this REAL review of a Love Systems bootcamp:

    http://lovesystemsthemilkedcowsystems.blogspot.com/2010/02/part-3-after-bootcamp.html

    Poor guy, $1500 for 8 hours of wandering the streets of Montreal? He goes into further detail of his bootcamp experience on his blog.

    Here’s Biskit’s bio on the Love Systems page:
    http://www.lovesystems.com/team-bios/biskit

    “Biskit learned to recognize and adapt to different cultures. Notches on his bedpost to date include Swedish models, Montreal actresses, Mexican yoga instructors, French tennis phenoms… and that’s just in the past year.”

    This is the clown on Keys to the VIP, a pickup show.

    http://www.myvideo.de/watch/5981050/Keys_to_the_VIP_Fogle_4_Season3_2_4

    He creeps out every girl he approaches. No game whatsoever. It’s all BS. What a fraud.

    not to discount the potentiality for frauds at lovesystems, but that guy’s review was a little tricky to read and, perhaps, take seriously. i know his english is bad, but what is he really saying?

    anyway, yes, i’ll fill everyone in.

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  35. […] UPDATE regarding where you should aim: Roissy just had something similar to say in his recent post: “the goal of PUAdom is not to get nerds laid with “9s and 10s”, but to get them success with wome…“ […]

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  36. Thanks fella. Always enjoy your blog.

    I hope it doesn’t crush you to know I saw that video BEFORE you had the post on it……

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  37. @Doug1
    Gorbachev
    Workshops shouldn’t be necessary, given the material on the web.

    You’re exactly the kind of guy that would find materials on the web enough.

    From what you said to me at length in response to my asking you why you were once (higher) beta, you were always socially adept, good at chatting up and being friends with pretty and beautiful women, good at interesting them. But before a certain point you weren’t good at converting that to scoring, or keeping women you did score from further betaizing you, gaining all hand, and losing interest.

    Your whole problem was in your deeply buying into the feminist and chivalrous belief system and way of looking at women and relations between men and women. That’s best unlearned on the web. Especially right here.

    This is true, … but the bulk of the rest of my experience was gained through trial and error. My mistake was listening to women and my culture. What I should have done when I was 22 was experiment wholesale. Make some realizations (pussy is fungible) and then just go nuts and see what works.

    That’s also the only way to develop social skills. I still maintain that game isn’t going to ultimately help anyone unless there are solid social skills underlying it.

    And you only learn those skills by going out and doing.

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  38. To manage your stress in the game is to deal with the fear of rejection. You win some and loose some. That’s okay, that’s life. Chemistry is so important. If you have it, you have it.

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  39. @Doug1

    I think a workshop might be good for guys with limited social skills, … but let’s be straight.

    With limited social skills, all the game on Earth isn’t going to get them banging super hot Russian models. The bedrock of game is a good intuition and social sense. And, in this culture, some serious “unlearning” of anti-game.

    After that you can build, but without that, it’s a lot of money spent for dubious benefits.

    I’m skeptical because of the amount of money that’s charged.

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  40. The beta’s problem is his fear of conflict and his need to please. Yes, pleasing is great, but you need to know when to draw the line…nicely with respect.

    An erotic space need to be there to sustain the sexual attraction and desire.

    Too much of the above will leave the beta no sense of self, therefore, no erotic space–no desire ignited.

    I’m no expert, but I think this is the case.

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  41. SahaPUA talks to Davidx about Modeone and Yad (towards the en of the interview)

    http://www.seductiontuition.com/pickup-podcast-interviews/david-x-interview.html

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  42. @ Doug1

    “Your whole problem was in your deeply buying into the feminist and chivalrous belief system and way of looking at women and relations between men and women. That’s best unlearned on the web. Especially right here.”

    Chi-town said something like this week, I believe.

    This is a deep, deep point about Game that is so often glossed over. Folks, it’s not just about the bitches—it’s really about us as men.

    Game isn’t just about getting laid. It’s about men getting laid on our terms in a society where every substantive reproductive interaction is done on a woman’s terms, with this reality backed by the threat of state violence as well as culture and custom. If you learn how to attract women, but don’t change your whole mindset you can still be royally fucked. This how so many guys can be desirable to women—Gamesmen, naturals, PUAs, politicians, rich, famous, Tiger Woods—and still be among the most pathetic manginas and white knighters. Their skills and status bring them attraction from women, but you can still find them railing against the false spectre of “deadbeat dads”, extolling the completely illusory moral superiority of the busty sex, and even refusing to fight back when subjected to considerable humiliation or violence.

    If you run Game for 20 years, bang hundreds of 9s & 10s the whole way through, establishing a harem of goddesses along the way—but don’t thoroughly cleanse yourself of the feminist social engineering that has crippled your mind since you were a gleam in your father’s eye, then your development is incomplete, you are still vulnerable, and you are still a slave to the system. This is part of why I think guys should really go some ways toward waking up from the matrix before learning Game.

    And waking up ain’t easy. Even those of us who had strong male role models at home and learned Game young still needed to deprogram a bit–the shit is just that pervasive. Game can only do so much to wake you up—the rest has to be a conscious effort to throw off the shackles of the gynocracy which seeks to poison and destroy your sense of manhood and your natural allegiance to your own masculine self-interest.

    Because that’s what this is about. Freeing your mind. And once you’ve done that, what you have acquired is far deeper than Game.

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  43. I quote myself. I wrote this in a earlier post. Here:

    Whether it be characteristics of betas or alphas, both modus operandi can be effective. The keys is to know when to use what set of traits; to whom; where and how to optimize your chances. To remain fluid and flexible between both beta and alpha traits is important. Possessing both B & A qualities can be an effective balance.

    It’s not what you have but it’s the application that counts.

    Bruce Lee said, “BE WATER”

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  44. my BS meter is finely tuned — but the Yad video looks completely legit to me. if the girl is acting she is one of the best actresses around. most acting is reacting — and she reacts more authentically than most professionals are able to pull off… so i’ll call the video real.

    but Yad is playing serious contrast game with his audience. guys keep pointing out how fugly he is, but fact is he is tall, broad-shouldered white 30ish guy with a thick mane of hair. unless his face looks like bubble wrap or he weighs 400 lbs, he’s automatically more attractive than 90% of guys on the street. so his looks do matter a lot, but it works in his favor from a marketing perspective that most guys look at him and simply register “goofy looking motherfucker”

    also, he has the gift of gab to the nth. the line about the russian dolls sounded like Ali G improvising: “when you’re a kid you get a little doll, then when you grow up you get a bigger doll, then when you grow up you get a bigger doll?” delivered deadpan. you can’t teach THAT.

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  45. Dragnet,

    Your daily internal monologue must be fascinating.

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  46. CR’s commentary on Yad elides the reality. CR said:

    “He makes small talk with her by appealing to her cultural pride. He builds a connection by talking about matrushka dolls and the fable of Anastasia.”

    no, he builds the connection with instant brilliant wit about matrushka dolls that 99.9% of guys simply don’t have. if he had talked about the dolls without such cleverness he wouldn’t have DHVd so quickly.

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  47. on August 10, 2010 at 4:22 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    how the federal reserve system created the PUA community lzozlzlzloozlzllzll!! they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlz

    http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/how-the-federal-reserve-system-created-the-pua-community-lzozlzlzloozlzllzll-they-do-no-wan-t-the-men-to-read-mises-or-hayek-or-jefferson-or-the-us-constitution-lzozlzlzlz-they-want-to-keep-the-men/

    omg i cannot beleive how many betas think that peacocking and wearring furry hats like mystery is being an alpha! lzozllzlz it’s almost as bad as neocons trying to herald and exalt secrteive tapers of sodomy as butthexual heroes while repeating the butthexers and secretive tapers of butthexer’s lies in their “conservative” magaiznes lzozlzozlzlzlzl. omg it makes me lzolzlzozzlozol so hard that my ribs hurt zlozlzlzl

    anyways teh federal resevre system not only creates money form thin air but that money is debt based and thus they can charge interest on it zlzozolzl and bankrupt and vampire suck an entiure oucntry of not only its property but its soul which is why neocon womenzs encourage young girls ot lust after undead vampire monsters in twilight who wear way too much makeup lzozlzozlzl and make the teen gina tingles lingles as teh federal reserve dicattes that all of entirety must be ruled by gina tingles and thus when a owmenz gina tingles in marriage she should act on it as the fed ahas funded and trained lawyers abd judgeds to seize her husbands promperty ieven if she is found fuciki9ng his best firend ojn tehir coffee table when he comes home agter a hard day;s work zlozlzlz the entire feminist moveement was created to expand teh police state into the home turning mwomenz against their husbands shidlerns god and the fmaily and the unborn as the neoocns trained put womenz on the front linez of their preemeptive war against the unborn in which women gallently and heroically murdered 50,000,000 unborn since roe vs. wade and were rewarded with lotsa butthex on demand from tgeh neocons favorite secrteive tapers of butthex for doing so lzozlzozlzozzlozzlozzlzozzlzozo. the neocns are good at math an dthey calcualted and determined it would be cheaper to train women to kill their kids and seize tehir husband;s property than it would be to train an army of jack booted thugs to dod so lzozlzozlzlzlzozoz and also the neoncs could have the womenz wear skirts and makeup and act like innocent little girls just killing their unborn chicldren for the greater good of humanity as it is chepar to hire pre-grown mexican labor wall stereet determined and claulated, tahn it is to take owmen out fo the fiat masters workforce to rais etheir own chidlren.

    so how does this relate to the PUA movement?>?!?!?

    i’m getting there so clam the fuck down!!

    many of youse have been rwsiased on ritalin with no dads to tell you to fucking work hard and fucking shut up and fucking pay attention, and thus you act like little ritalain addicts which is the way the fed wants tit mashing buttons in your menaingless videogames in your single mom’s basmemnt turning up the playsattion volume to drown out the sounds of your mom upstairs banging biker cock which teh fed funds anmd encourages to put it in her butt and which your real dad is forced to pay for and asubsidize after he cuaght her cheating with the pool boy lzozlzlzlzllz and never nmanning up and going forth and finidg your true ftahers and the reading the constitution for yourself nor homers odyssey in which telemanchus must also rid his mhome of teh false suitors and teh us constitution which states that only congeress shall eb able to coin money and that it must be gold or silver but not fiat butthexing paper lzozlzlzozlzlzlzlz.

    anywaz so the fed desouls womenz form an early age via numerous methods:

    1) the slutting up of teen pop culture heroes lzozlzlzolzzlolzlzl brittany and now miley as disney is used to baiut and witch and sluttify children zlzozlzlzl
    2) teh asscocking and anal sexing of girls with the assockcers and secrteive tapers of butthex who lie about tehir heiaght and are short, lying, douchbages being promoted as heores, while those bleeding to death in the neocns wars on foreign shores are ignored lzozlzlzlzzlzo
    3) the constant barrage of ant-soul eductaion telling girls that their strong father who is trying to keep the short, lying docuhebag’s cock out of her ass and teh storng father who would beat the shit out of the assocker and short, lying secretive taper of butthex is really just oprressing her, and after ahwiel girls really ebgin to beleiev that teh fiat dollar is god and that ass cocking is tehir divine right and that any one who comes out agiants secrteiev tapings of asscockinsg is really just repressed. lzozlzlz
    4) freud took everyying virtuius like love and committment and refusing temptations and labeled it a “repression” in the same way a fiat dollar takes everyoneg good like a hard day’s work and renders it worthless as the fiat master hire a police force to sezie the property ans assets while trianing women to lure men into marrigae and to “tame them” in jonah goldberg’s words and seize their asstts lzozlzlz. for the only problem with a fiat debt based dollar i=s that it is the opposite of welath lzozlzlz and thus the fiat masters devote tehir lives to rtrying to conbevert debt based fiat dollars into physical wealth and property which is why they come up with mba buzzwords and mba bubbles as the dot com bubble and real estate bubble and al l bubbles are the conscious mechanism via which fiat debt is covnerted into phsyical property as all teh risk is socilaized an dall teh profits privataized as worthless debt rtickles on down and phsycial proeprty and welath trickler on up form teh workwer creater artist and musician to the ifat matsers lzozlzozlzlzl and so the world is inverted as those who create are robbed, and those who bullshit are rewarded lzozlzlzozzlzlzl that is why leftists come out againats property rigts amnd anyone who advocates a fiat currency is aginst property rights lzozlzozzlzl as they want to be able to buy and seize your property by doing nothing but cxreatinge fiat debt zlzozlzl which is why they had to kill the family and debauch teh cultrue and currency lzozlzozlzl and kill teh heoric spirit and replace homer moses socrates aeneies with tcuekr max lzozllzlzl their butthexual secrteive tpaer of sodomy without teh girl’s conthen “siux foot tall” hero lzozlzlz

    which brings us to the PUA movementy

    as girls are deosuled and desouled and trained by the fed to seize a man’s assets and use their sex appeal not to serva a husband abnd fmaily but to transfer assets and weatlth form men to their pimp daddy ben beranke lzozlzlzlzlzl, by and by trhey lose their worth to men.

    i mean lzozllzzl we’re not all that stoooopid lzozlz.

    as a girl is deosuled in teh fiat fed noecon assocking secrteive tapings of butthex sessions, and converted into a soulless instrument of wealth transfer, her only value lies in the titllation that she provides, while the enertal chance for immortal love that our grandparenst knew and which fmeinsit professors label opression as the fed funds them to do, is lost forever lzozlzlzlzlzl!!

    like a wise ghirl who wnats to live the glory honorable story of bride wife mother must strt as a vergin and then forver sevre and be loyal to one man lozzllzlzl

    lzozlzlzllles! go all the femtards who are stoo stoopid and take lotsa cocka in all tehir orifices na dthen go “where idd lal the good men go?” when they hit 40 lzozlzlz google that roissy cartoone “where did all teh good men go? ms paint roissy cartoon” lzozlzlzl

    http://roissy.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/2.jpg?w=500&h=375

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/ms-paint-windows-to-the-soul/

    well anywayz as behind every woman now stands a banker pimp going “BE SURE TO GET AS MUCHMONEY OUT OF TEH BETAS AS POSSIBLE AND IN RETURN WE PROMISTE YOU SECRETIVETAPINGS FROM ASSOCKING ALPHAS FILMED WITHOUT YOUR CONTHENT,” it only makes sense that a man’s goal by and by beocmes to get a smuch sex as possible without paying for it lzozlzlzozlzlz.

    and that’s where game comes in.

    becayuse teh federal reserve funded feminisma nd cretaed feminisms to transfer welath from men to the fed, break up teh family, but teh kids in corprate state daycare, and expand teh powers of teh stae into teh home, repalcing teh classical rugged fateh with fiat cash, the fed created the PUA game by changing the game and stakcing it against men lzozlzlzlzllz

    now the fed also supports the PUA game as men wearing furry hats and spenidng tehir days working wmeiangless jobs while buying books on game purporting to help them get tehir cocks wet onece every two years is exactly what the fed wants. they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlzl

    and so you get what we have here, which is the wya he wants it, well he gets it. some men you just can’t reach. lzozlzlzlzlzlzzlzl

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  48. Game is simply a platform that is fueled by adaptive intelligence, not flashing your latest report card.

    Game is not suitable for idiots. Is it important that mating is not dominated by confident idiots? Ya think?

    Game is a bid for masculine intellect to propagate itself over its competition, speaking beyond self.

    Now this attitude that mating is some trivial act comes form the same well of lies that there is no difference who pops out of the vag. Nothing is equal.

    Intelligence for intelligence sake so often promoted by unisex attired pedagogues is a low rent slum on a cul-de-sac. Its the infected limb of a diabetic. Two brilliant people with brilliant conversations don’t make babies. If the ship is sinking, intelligent conversation can be thrown overboard; but hot, fertile women cannot. Its essential. Shallow my ass.

    The solution is for men with motivation and brains is to get in the game. Game does that. So I am for it.

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  49. Betas here should go take a look at Game_in_BK’s blog and archives for some inspiration.

    He goes from he says only being able to date 4s and the occassional 5s to now only targeting 6s and 7s; getting a lot of the former and a few of the later so far. And he’s short. I think around 5’7 or 5’6.

    He’s mid journey. He gets tons of numbers in his day game in NYC but tons of flakes still, but the progress is there. He seems to have simply read up here and elsewhere and then just gone and approached, approached, approached.

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  50. i wonder if the act of filming a pick up attempt in and of itself might not help with one’s self-awareness since you become aware it is a scene you are acting out and the idea is that it shouldn’t look and sound as boring as typical everyday life scenes. might motivate one to push the envelope if only for the camera.

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  51. @Chief of the Slapaho Tribe

    ‘“representatives of the Chateau attended…”

    Are we ever going to get the story of why it’s a vaguely-plural entity called the Chateau and not just straight-up Roissy any more? Why abandon the name with so much built-up cred?’

    He’s not abandoning the name, just expanding the palette.

    Pretending a palatial residence (“Back home at Bullshit Towers…”), and a royal plurality is a common rhetorical device to imply a gracious service delivered from on high by the author/performer to the admiring fans.

    Chateau de Roissy is also a reference to the Story of O from whence the blog apparently took its name.

    From Wikipedia:

    “Story of O is a tale of female submission about a beautiful Parisian fashion photographer, O, who is blindfolded, chained, whipped, branded, pierced, made to wear a mask, and taught to be constantly available for oral, vaginal, and anal intercourse. Despite her harsh treatment, O grants permission beforehand for everything that occurs, and her permission is consistently sought.

    At the beginning of the story, O’s lover, René, brings her to the château of Roissy, where she is trained to serve the men of an elite group.”

    It was written by a woman.

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  52. AHE

    no, he builds the connection with instant brilliant wit about matrushka dolls that 99.9% of guys simply don’t have.

    Are you kidding me? I thought it was kinda lame myself, but he’s full of good feel confidant energy and just keeps going and going and going. Stitching topics a lot. What’s so brilliant about little dolls when you’re little and then bigger and bigger as you grow up? Beats the hell out of me.

    His kino was kinda brilliant though. He’s standing pretty close to her. The early short touching. Then all the fist knocking stuff. And then taking both her hands in his. That’s when he’s really escalating her, and warming her for that arms around his neck, long drawn out kiss. Pretty good from a kinda chubby and really not good looking guy. Tall though, true. But his face is probably a 4.

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  53. hey man thanks for showing me love! the PUA industry really needs some level of regulation, so by discussing our findings here or on other non commercial sites, we can help save people money and get more girls!

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  54. AHE

    The Kauser guy at his blog has lots of short videos of himself working game and experimenting with slightly different styles.

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  55. Yad told me the Anastasia thing is a routine. Some of it would’ve been improvised on the spot – surprising how creative you can be when in state in a good set – but in this particular case he said he’d read up on the story.

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  56. http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/dont-be-ugly-by-accident/

    Sluts like iPhones, prudes like Android.

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  57. “Yad told me the Anastasia thing is a routine. Some of it would’ve been improvised on the spot – surprising how creative you can be when in state in a good set – but in this particular case he said he’d read up on the story.”

    yeah, but it wasn’t the Anastasia part that worked so well. it was the joke about the dolls. look at the way her entire body tremors after he delivers that at about 1:00. he couldn’t have anticipated running into a girl with russian dolls on her dress.

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  58. on August 10, 2010 at 5:14 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’on August 10, 2010 at 3:50 pm dragnet
    @ Doug1

    “Your whole problem was in your deeply buying into the feminist and chivalrous belief system and way of looking at women and relations between men and women. That’s best unlearned on the web. Especially right here.”

    Chi-town said something like this week, I believe.

    This is a deep, deep point about Game that is so often glossed over. Folks, it’s not just about the bitches—it’s really about us as men.

    Game isn’t just about getting laid. It’s about men getting laid on our terms in a society where every substantive reproductive interaction is done on a woman’s terms, with this reality backed by the threat of state violence as well as culture and custom. If you learn how to attract women, but don’t change your whole mindset you can still be royally fucked. This how so many guys can be desirable to women—Gamesmen, naturals, PUAs, politicians, rich, famous, Tiger Woods—and still be among the most pathetic manginas and white knighters. Their skills and status bring them attraction from women, but you can still find them railing against the false spectre of “deadbeat dads”, extolling the completely illusory moral superiority of the busty sex, and even refusing to fight back when subjected to considerable humiliation or violence.

    If you run Game for 20 years, bang hundreds of 9s & 10s the whole way through, establishing a harem of goddesses along the way—but don’t thoroughly cleanse yourself of the feminist social engineering that has crippled your mind since you were a gleam in your father’s eye, then your development is incomplete, you are still vulnerable, and you are still a slave to the system. This is part of why I think guys should really go some ways toward waking up from the matrix before learning Game.

    And waking up ain’t easy. Even those of us who had strong male role models at home and learned Game young still needed to deprogram a bit–the shit is just that pervasive. Game can only do so much to wake you up—the rest has to be a conscious effort to throw off the shackles of the gynocracy which seeks to poison and destroy your sense of manhood and your natural allegiance to your own masculine self-interest.

    Because that’s what this is about. Freeing your mind. And once you’ve done that, what you have acquired is far deeper than Game.

    ”””””””

    I got fuckin chills off that shit.
    Nice.
    But yea agreed man.

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  59. on August 10, 2010 at 5:19 pm gunslingergregi

    Plus for blacks probably that whites ain’t putting em down.

    And for whites blacks ain’t putting em down.

    The government is putting all men down.

    But the only one that can really put you down is you using the crutches that are layed all around for you to use to not be your best self.

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  60. krauser,

    your site is really fucking cool.

    after reading some stories there and the vid in question here i’m left wondering if day game doesn’t work a whole lot better in europe than the us simply because PDAs seem a lot more common over there.

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  61. In Krauser’s videos you saw him approaching a bunch of girls from all over Eurasia and not many English chicks.

    The exotic/unique card probably came into play with his success there, and knowing Japanese came in handy!

    Ahhh multiculturalism a small, short term blessing and a huge long term curse.

    >Judenfrage<

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  62. Who are all you fags that know that Yad is good looking or not? To me, he looks like a guy, therefore singularly unattractive.

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  63. The Chateau dweller can’t use “Roissy” as his handle any more because Disney trademarked it in connection with the upcoming “Story of O” animated feature film.

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  64. on August 10, 2010 at 7:33 pm Aspiring2bAlphA

    Watch Soul’s little biography video. Great example of bullshit if you ask me; though, I haven’t taken a course with him.

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  65. Soul seems legit, one of the few PUAs with infield video:

    Would love to see Roissy or anyone else’s commentary on this pickup.

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  66. Reading Kaiser’s blog, I have to say he’s the man. Straight up, no bullshit gaming.

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  67. There is not much of a need for expensive workshops.

    Like any complex task, it’s just a case of:

    1. Learning the basic principles (and I would use the Mystery Method here),
    2. Practice – and by that, I mean approach a lot of women (Mystery has a drill which involves approaching one women per hour, while going out 4 times a week).
    3. Refine using your experience and that of others(this blog is a good example) – correct obvious flaws.
    4. Approach again.
    5. Repeat cycle.

    As Alec Baldwin should have said in Glengarry Glen Ross
    “A B A – Always Be Approaching”

    Point is, this stuff really works. I’m not sure you can use it to get 9s and 10s – at least without having looks, wealth or power of your own – but it does improve the quality of women that you date.

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  68. on the Yad video, it’s fantastic, but what opened my eyes about it was R’s minute-by-minute breakdown of it on this blog.

    The videos that are now online of various PUA’s are also helpful, some for the tactical explanations, some for their strategic and “inner game” explanations.

    I think that a big takeaway from all these materials is the focus on “inner game”. When my “inner game” is good–i’m focused, rested, inspired, I can game any girl.

    When my energy is down, I’m preoccupied or otherwise invested in the outcome, I crash.

    Then the rest of the evening becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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  69. this post was very cool

    one reason the “strawman of haters” exists is that hating on game managed to predate the popularity of game — at least as far as i can tell. Tom Cruise played Ross Jeffries in Magnolia in 1999, whereas Struass’ book didn’t come out until 2005.

    or am i wrong in thinking game wasn’t so popularly known in 1999?

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  70. AHE,

    Jeffries stuff began in the 1980s I think, and R Don Steele has been plying his trade since the 1970s. Other fellows wrote a lot of “how to pick up girls” books in that period.

    Don’t know much about their stuff – but I understand the Game revolution began with Mystery: The idea that the process can be broken down, almost to a flowchart.

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  71. Once read, in an Esquire anthology from the 40s, an article on how to pick up women. The advice was surprisingly relevant – the author was anonymous, but sounded like Don Draper.

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  72. the only alpha way to deal with the reporter would’ve been to bitch slap her. . .

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  73. looks like Tom Cruise’s character used the jealousy technique and the phone equivalent of the mysterious text — and managed to maintain an uberalpha frame (when he wasn’t crying… )

    so the PT Anderson character had at least the idea of a “broken down” process before Mystery Method came out

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  74. It would be interesting to find out how much money is being made in this PUA industry. It’s easy enough to get most of these PUA products for free on rapidshare or whatever. It would seem that if these dudes who want to get into the biz, then perhaps these workshops is where they can make some money, since you can’t download a workshop for free…or can you?

    I notice some in the biz are recording their workshops and trying to sell that as a multi-disc dvd package. If a package like so is released, then whoever is interested can simply download it without paying for it. And so…the value of the in-person workshop get severely compromised, when a dude puts out his 58 dvd disc boxset.

    Who’s buying these products??? I know I’m not. Even if I had the disposable income, I doubt I would purchase any of it. I don’t even bother to give the dude my email address in order to gain access to the inside of a website.

    From a business standpoint, it’s prolly not a good idea to release a boxset of a recorded workshop, cuz there wouldn’t really be much point in attending a workshop, if you can just download and watch the recorded version for free.

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  75. “so the PT Anderson character had at least the idea of a “broken down” process before Mystery Method came out”

    Well, ok, then. Having the “idea” that a process exists invalidates the accomplishment of the guy that actually describes it. Interesting reasoning.

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  76. “Well, ok, then. Having the “idea” that a process exists invalidates the accomplishment of the guy that actually describes it. Interesting reasoning.””

    your reasoning not mine.

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  77. on August 10, 2010 at 10:15 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’on August 10, 2010 at 8:58 pm Thursday
    Getting 9s and 10s in a club setting, dealing with jaded girls who regularly get hit on in a setting where it is hard to communicate value just with your verbal communication, almost always requires that you socially proof yourself by opening less attractive girls and then running jealousy plotlines on the hotter girls. At least in my experience, a lot of the hottest girls in a club will be girls who work in industry or are just club regulars and they have seen it all. Good routines, good body language, confidence etc. won’t be enough.

    1. Short set hot girls. Demonstrate some value and then leave.
    2. Open less attractive girls. Interact with them in front of hot girls.
    3. Merge sets or just re-open hot girls after demonstrating enough value.

    The jealously plotline is the rocket fuel of pick up.
    ””””””””’

    You socially proof yourself by making it rain with stack of ones and watch the chicks pick it up every last one. Then you realize the two hottest chicks in the place are just hos anyway plus they had boyfriends there. Then you just go to stripclub where the chicks were even hotter and just fuck them.

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  78. “The Tom Cruise character propounds a mishmash of good and bad ideas. ”

    true, but of course the character is supposed to seem like a despicable buffoon. hence my point that game hate seemed to appear in popular culture before game itself did, relatively speaking.

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  79. I met an RSD instructor while in Vegas 2-3 years ago. We hit it off and went out one night. What I witnessed both shocked me and opened my eyes to the great scam.

    He started the night by eating an entire xanax bar and pounding 3 beers. He got progressively drunker and fucked up on pills as he ‘cold approached’ women with a drunk frat boy persona. He got shot down so many times it was laughable. At the end of the night he meets a russian cougar as drunk as he and they spend the next 10 minutes falling all over the dance floor. They then stumble back to his room for some whiskey dick action.

    I also attended a local workshop a few years ago. I’m good looking because I’ve worked at it, fuck count of maybe 40 at a current rate of around one to two new chicks a month. What I saw at this workshop were not people like me who simply wanted to get better, these were either the genetic dregs of society, or they had severe anxiety/personality disorders. There were guys who had been in Game for 10 plus years who wore stained jeans, a tshirt from 8th grade, bowl cut hair, brown teeth, and the central nervous system calm of a pack of lit firecrackers.

    Both these experiences did me a lot of good. Before this I felt like I was so far behind; why wasn’t I fucking the supermodels by the dozen “like the PUA’s.” 99 percent of the whole industry is a scam. It is simply an explotation of another non-chemical coping mechanism for beta/omega anxiety. All that is required is to make work with what you have and make yourself as attractive and interesting as possible; have the balls to walk up to a girl who has signaled you; smile, introduce yourself in a calm, friendly way; carry a socially competent conversation; make future plans; and then run game on her to get between those thighs as soon as you can. But what you have instead are bone deep betas who are so riddled with fear and insecurity, that they simply can not even do this. So instead they spend their lives reading, just like a typical bookworm, as a form of masterbation. Their self-esteem is in the toilet for a reason, because self-esteem is a subconcious honest assessment of where you rank relative to other men. They sit their getting drunk on liquid courage as their heart pounds before running up in a girls face to ask them “who lies more, michael jackson or david bowie?” as fast as they can in a squeaky voice.

    That Yenti guy or whatever his name is, does he really ever say anything magical? No, it really didn’t matter what he said because he is simply a cool, calm, confident guy. He has a huge nutsack. 99 percent of the guys who have studied game for 10 years couldn’t make it 30 seconds with that chick before their anxiety leaked out with nervous tics and verbal gaffs.

    It’s all about the balls to make it happen; whether it is changing yourself into something better or stepping up to a hot bitch who made eye contact with you and looked down in submission. The difference between memories of “if only I had talked to her” and another notch on your headboard.

    To all the bitches who read this blog, this weekend, go out and pick a fight with a tough guy. Fake a left jab to his stomach and as he lowers he hands, throw a straight right to his chin and knock that fucker out. After that, your back will straighten out, the tension in your shoulders will fade, your chest will stick out, and when you make eye contact with a hottie, you’ll drop her the slyest smile you have and slowly walk to her and say hi.

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  80. Can anyone help me with the name of blog. Roissy linked to a blog that I think was caled the ‘Dark Side’ or something. It was a sort of game blogger that dealt with ev psych and how to get the most out of escorts. I can’t find that blog now no matter how hard I search.

    Thanks in advance.

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  81. I haven’t read through the comments, but has anyone noticed that the people that ostensibly start out rating PUA products (like Thundercat,or AJ and Jordan from pickup podcast) inevitably get into the Training and book writing game themselves?

    Kinda like movie critics that take a directing. thats probably a bad analogy, because I cant think of an example, but it seems if someone hangs around instructors all day and see the mad cash they pull down, they begin to think “Why not me?”

    no real point to this observation, just sayin….

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  82. Carnie, I agree. It is a problem because then they have an agenda. It would be fantastic if Roissy could become like Consumer Reports.

    My understanding is that Mystery cracked the code of how to attract women by simultaneously combining two theories, one of which he may not have invented, but another which he definitely did:

    1. The idea that girls are attracted to value, pure and simple. And that to get this attraction from a girl, you have to showcase your value to her and her friends, and you have to bring down her value in front of her and her friends.

    Importantly, this means that things like showing off you expensive car, or buying her a drink, do not showcase value if you are doing them to impress her — there is the counter-intuitive truth which was his genius — because if you are trying to impress her, that means her value is higher than yours.

    So you do the opposite. Reverse psychology. You showcase your value by dismissing her, disqualifying yourself, and at the same time making everyone else around her like you. This is the essence of the Mystery Method: by flipping the script on her, she feels the need to chase *you*, to get validation from *you*, instead of the other way around, the traditional way.

    And nothing goes more core to the female psyche than fighting over a man of high value. It just gets their juices flowing. All of a sudden, you are on the pedestal, the prize to be won, and she is down below, trying to impress you.

    2. The second insight, after how to clearly and specifically generate attraction, is the brilliant realization that the game always follows a linear, three-step process:

    – Attraction must come first, or else all is wasted
    – Comfort must come second, only after attraction is achieved
    – Seduction is the final step, only after you have got her pussy tingling and her heart warmed up.

    This is huge. How many of us have spent countless hours trying to build comfort first, only to fall in the friend zone; or gone straight to seduction, only to be rejected over concerns of physical safety.

    The game is linear.
    The world is round.
    All hail Mystery.

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  83. “your reasoning not mine.”

    You said as much on the other threads.

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  84. The best thing about good pickup instructors is when they spot something about you that’s fucking up your pickups that you yourself would never have guessed in a million years of practice. Stuff like leaning in, having your eyes too wide open, being in your head rather than your body, failing to escalate soon enough, a hundred other things. The internet can’t tell you that you’re holding your hands too high and scaring the girl off.

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  85. Pretty good from a kinda chubby and really not good looking guy. Tall though, true. But his face is probably a 4.

    He looks handsome in my eyes. I’d be lucky to look that good on my best day. Years ago. If he’s a four, that makes me a three or less.

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  86. ha… just noticed in the tom cruise scene above where he is his apartment there is a Rush poster on his wall. cant say anderson didnt do his homework…

    the wiki on the movie sez it was based on jeffries, but that may have been someone s guess. does anyone know if that was similar to jeffries’s style? or anyone else’s at the time. seems to me there is a lot of tony robbins thrown into the character. when the movie came out i had never heard of game and thought the character was a satire of motivational speakers and seminars in general and that the respect the cock angle was just a creative twist.

    i dont recommend the movie, btw. its great in parts, but its ambitious reach exceeds its grasp. not as good as boogie nights or let there be blood, which rock.

    as best i can tell, what was missing from pick up before mystery was the whole “pick up” part. whoever cruise was channeling, the inner game seems pretty dead on, the cocky/asshole game is omnipresent, the setting jealousy traps and fucking with her mind is there, evolution/biology/anthropology gets passing mention but the context assumes the target is no stranger.

    society is mainly about interacting with strangers.

    most ev psych treats our hindbrains like we are still wired for small communities where everyone knows each other — and thus some Game seems to be about quickly convincing the other they are high status in the tribe while at the same time ignoring the other tribal reaction: that a strange face signals an enemy. among men this often means fight or flight, but when a woman was confronted with a strange man in paleo times this usually meant 1 of 2 things: ur tribe just lost the fight and u r about to be raped or — u have just been traded to another tribe. in either case the result is likely sex, which is the usual explanation for why women can get wet without feeling horny. the lube is protection from injury.

    this may explain as much as anything why friending a girl is the worst path to sex. familiarity breeds sexual contempt because only a stranger means danger, to paraphrase buck owens.

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  87. ““your reasoning not mine.”

    You said as much on the other threads.”

    u mistake my ideas for assertions. im no man of convictions. im willing to entertain competing hypotheses. one would be thursday’s that mystery was revolutionary, another that game has been a process of gradual accumilation and that mystery method was more of a breakthrough in the world of publishing than the world of insight.

    either narrative sounds plausible to me. it is interesting to try to tease out what the truth is but putting icons on a pedestal doesnt get us anywhere. (caveat: unless those icons are bill hicks, jimi hendrix, henry miller or lenny bruce)

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  88. to me the question of the seminal nature of mystery method comes down to this: it is a contingent or non-contingent work? put another way, would the online discussion of pick up be materially different 20 years from now sans publication of mystery method?

    if i had to put my money on it id bet history is more likely to remember roissy (or whatever his name is).

    tho who history remembers isnt the question, the question is if mystery changed the course of it.

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  89. The second I saw this incredible The Top 12 Reasons To Burn A Quran On 9/11 website it occurred to me that this blog’s frequenters absolutely must have an opportunity to read this link! http://hubpages.com/hub/The-12-Top-Reasons-To-Burn-A-Quran-On-911

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  90. id also be willing to bet history will remember Mystery as one of those Where Are They Now? guys. perhaps he will compete on a game show.

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  91. Cammie Novara, go peddle your PBUH (pure boring unadulterated horseshit) someplace else.

    I did read the Koran, the hadiths, sunna. It’s a conquest manual for thuggish warlords, with a dysfunctional political-religious totalitarian ideology at it’s core.

    No wonder that the article uses shaming lingo not that remote from what is perused by feminists. Both ideologies are based on irrationality.

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  92. AHE, the Mystery methods existed in some forms before, though it was mostly a collection of fragments passed on by numerous channels.

    Mystery innovation is in putting it together into a coherent, logical edifice.

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  93. Gun, soc proofing-wise, instead of using lower rated chicks I sometimes do the opposite. Say there are two hot (hottest) chicks in the venue. I observe whether there are any apparent attachment, and any connection between them, from a distance. If one is attached, I select her as a pivot, if not, I toss a mental coin or consider the local geometry. If they seem or are connected (friends, know each other), I change the method to something more fitting the circumstances.

    I approach the (selected) pivot chick when I am sure I’d be in the field of vision of the target or her friends if she is with any and ask her for a favor, explaining that I have a GF here an want to make her jealous. It would take just some close whispering for a half minute and a li’l pecker on my cheek. If she objects that her BF may get jealous, I retort that two mischieves for one seems to me like an ideal deal but if her BF is too jealous, I am her cousin.

    Usually it works like a charm. A few times I actually took the pivot (unattached) home.

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  94. That French-Canadian guy who said Biskit scammed him, made the serious allegation that Biskit opened and Nclosed a woman he already knew, who was purposely waiting in a mall to be “opened”.

    I don’t believe such an allegation because it would be too serious.

    The client had “opening anxiety” and refused to open during his one on one. That was the client’s mistake.

    But the client said Biskit didn’t try to open any student at the university before suggesting “lets go to the mall” where the charge was made he opened a woman whom he already knew (client said he recognized a photo of the woman from the company website).

    Again, I don’t believe this…unless the “teacher” was afraid of being rejected himself and didn’t want this to happen to himself while getting paid $1500 to demonstrate effective game.

    But not someone with a famous name like that (I’ve never read Biskit’s material yet – no time). This is too serious a charge.

    If such scams do happen, would they be easily ferreted out? If only gammas are their customers, they might get away with opening their own girlfriends for quite awhile while pocketing large sums of money.

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  95. I remain totally impressed with that Yad video but there is no way the guy did any serious homework on how to pick up Russian women.

    Anastasia Romanov was murdered with her family in a basement on Lenin’s orders. The rumors that she survived have been laid to rest by DNA evidence that she somehow escaped. There is a lot that can be said about this story and seeming knowledgeable is a big DHV. Yad just seemed to know about a Disney cartoon.

    His lack of knowledge made me that much more impressed that he did so well anyway.

    Maybe he did well by *not* knowing too much about Anastasia and Russia. It could conceivably scare a young woman that a foreign man knows more about her own country’s history than she does (if she is a hairdresser or cashier). He certainly made the most of what he did know, etc.

    I firmly believe, despite his excellent performance, that a lot of game is demonstrating having something in common. Knowledge is social currency, especially to educated women.

    Speaking their language floors women outside of their home regions. Yad was perceptive in making that remark about Маша not being shorter than Maria when spelled Masha in English. He was working with his wits, however. That is like flying on a wing and a prayer…unless he knew Russian better and really downplayed it.

    Just as anyone who considers the possibility of meeting a Czech woman will read “The Unbearable Lightness of Being”, a man who prepares for the possibility of meeting a Russian woman will read certain modern and classic authors’ books and know a few recent hit songs and films.

    Yad was a natural who clearly didn’t have to do his homework on Russians…at least for that open/close.

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  96. “AHE, the Mystery methods existed in some forms before, though it was mostly a collection of fragments passed on by numerous channels.

    Mystery innovation is in putting it together into a coherent, logical edifice.”

    agreed but i think it is relevant to note that The Game was a commercially successful work published a couple years before mystery method. because of mystery’s role in The Game, his own work was pre-sold to the publisher, so to speak. it seems plausible to me that if someone else, such as Roissy for example, had been preselected by the publishing community he may have equally written such a seminal work. Roissy gives Mystery tons of credit, no doubt, but he also claims to have discovered similar insights about the nature of women about the same time as Mystery — and seems to view him as much a contemporary as an influence.

    Mystery was hanging out with Strauss, a successful writer for Rolling Stone. if Roissy had been hanging with a successful writer for Rolling Stone at the time, might not he have been the one to have written something the equivalent of mystery method? might many other unknowns out there have written something on par given the right pre-selection with publishing industry contacts?

    contrast that with a work like Origin or the Species or the Wealth of Nations or Jung or Freud. sure, there are probably plenty of masterpieces that were written which never got published due to commercial or cultural considerations or just plain luck, but the contrary isn’t true. Evolution was not a new concept when Darwin came along, but it took his exquisite genius to come along and flesh out the theory and give it legs.

    perhaps Mystery really is akin to Darwin in this respect — i consider it a possibility — but it seems more likely to me that Mystery was just the right person at the right time in the right place.

    Newton and Lebniz may have both discovered calculus at the same time, but i doubt a thousand other people also did. i’d bet a thousand other people knew what mystery knew, more or less, but didn’t have the contacts and pre-selection to get the publishing contract just then and there.

    as always, i could be wrong.

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  98. @DOUG said: “He’s mid journey. He gets tons of numbers in his day game in NYC but tons of flakes still, but the progress is there. He seems to have simply read up here and elsewhere and then just gone and approached, approached, approached.”

    Isn’t that one of the most important things in picking up girls? Just trying, even if she is out of your league? And facing rejection. We’ve all known that one ugly guy that hit on everything that moved and chicks WAY out of his league, getting rejected 80% of the time….but 20% of the time he wound up with a pretty hot girl.

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  99. Before there was Roissy in DC there was Usenet. It was through Usenet discussions that the theories of game developed. These discussions go as far back back as the early or mid 1990’s.

    It was through this medium that people like Mystery, DeAngelo (as Sisonpyh), Ross Jeffries (I think the newsgroup was called alt.seduction.fast in reference to his “Speed Seduction”), and others argued and discussed their theories.

    Strauss was relatively late to the game as his introduction was to write about this growing trend. I would say that the Straus book was a great help in building broader knowledge of such discussions and making Mystery a known name.

    While Mystery was the first to collate all the wisdom gathered from these discussions and put it in coherent form, Jeffries was the first to use the power of the Internet to commercialize pick up advice. Indeed, I remember other newsgroups been spammed with Jeffries related promotions. While I believe his Speed Seduction” is less useful than The Mystery Method (you need very high social skills to run NLP patterns well), I think Jeffries is underrated in his part in the popularizing and publicizing PU arts.

    The Tom Cruise character looks more Tony Robbins than Ross Jeffries (who is a little bit dorky) but probably contains ideas from many ideas from A.S.F discussions. The fact that the ideas may be disorganized and of mixed value probably has more to do with creating an interesting script. Jeffries focused more on seductive NLP patterns than specific tactics (jealousy, etc.). However, “respect the cock” is something I can imagine Jeffries using.

    Overall though, what we now call game was developed not by one person but by men working together and sharing experiences. Mystery made the money, but a lot of the work was done by ordinary guys arguing and figuring things out.

    I think the “No Pussy has Nine Lives” poster seen in the clips above is hilarious (something else I could see Jeffries using).

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  100. Damn moderation. . .

    For God’s sake Respect the CO mments!

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  101. Entropy’s narration of this video is spot-on and helped me a lot:

    This one looks like it’s a promo for the PUA workshops associated with it, but is also good.

    I’ve never been to a workshop and don’t think they have them in Asia where I live.

    But from what I can tell on the negative feedback, it looks like you get what you put into them.

    Socially inept losers will not get laid regardless of whether they’ve got some pua in the control tower guiding them in, they’ll still crash land.

    For me it’s about practice, approaching lots of women and getting as much feedback as possible.

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  102. Im sorry but that Yad is not handsome, he might have a strong game but in the vid he is almost repelling. I do have to tell that prettier friends then me have gone for far less handsome men then yad, but then those men also had great game, and taste varies, but what i can tell from that vid from my point of view it’s have to be fake, or the girl is insane.

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  103. “If you like Russian women, read the authors they are likely to have loved (Dostoevski, Bulgakov)”

    Ahem….Chekhov….

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  104. Bictopia,

    How’s that dumpling recipe coming along?

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  105. Anton, here you go.

    http://bictopia.wordpress.com/2010/08/09/nokedli/

    btw, You and Paul Newman, are you related?

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  106. Sok köszönet.

    No, I worked for him and his family.

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  107. Bictopia,

    I remember that the dumplings float to the top of the boling water when ‘done’. Is that right?

    My last question to you on this topic. Thanks.

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  108. Im sorry but that Yad is not handsome

    hmm, that is the basic point of this blog, and this overall approach–looks! that or you’re hopelessly missing the whole point by a few miles. go back to the mall or wherever it is you came from.

    what i can tell from that vid from my point of view it’s have to be fake, or the girl is insane.

    it all does boil down to your point of view, and how you feel about it, regardless of the proven authenticity of the video. the whole thing stands or falls on your feeeeeeeeeelings.

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  109. Yes rhettro, i tried to explain that my taste is not what everybody prefer or fall for, still im always surprised when that happens, that a pretty girl fall for a very lame game..
    And i still hold it to my basic point that i think Yad, as cool he might be in real life, it doesn’t show in this vid, i dont want to mock him to much as i only have seen this vid.

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  110. @bictopia I’m not super enthused about Yad either- My hubby and I watched the video and we both came to the same conclusion. But hubby said that part of this game is to know how to pick the right girl. Maybe part of the game is seeing who is a girl who’d be open to this type of seduction?

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  111. Dream Puppy, you are very right, but how can you spot the right one on the street as Yad did? Weird clothes? Im not sure..

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  112. 75% of game is maximizing your own self-improvement and having the balls to make the approach. The other 25% is deprogramming the garbage advice that society forces on men and knowing what to say and do to be as attractive to the female mind as possible.

    Tools, such as The Mystery Method, are designed for the more analytical mind. It’s goal is to get those mental gears turning in service of social intelligence. Naturals are just men that have an innate high social intelligence and are usually compelling in their own way.

    Women are pretty much useless when evaluating a pick up of someone else. They are unable, for the most part, to drop their own identity and see the pick-up from the target’s eyes.

    Whether that specific video is authentic or not is really immaterial. I tend to believe that it is real. Otherwise they are pretty talented actors.

    @Cammie Novara

    Shut the fuck up.

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  113. […] INSIDER LOOK AT pickup artist workshops: “There are a lot of hucksters in the seduction […]

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  114. Congratulations on your Instapundit link Roissy; you’ve officially arrived. I knew it was only a matter of time. Cheers!

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  115. When men learn to treat women as more than a video game they’ll get more ass than they can handle…Perhaps that’s what scares most of the boys on here!

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  116. @Valerie

    Text received yesterday out of the blue from girl 10 years younger than me (she is 25):

    her: you really are an asshole. But I can’t deny you are good in bed… Let’s fuck one more time 😉

    DTH: sounds fun

    I use straight asshole game, which is better than video game because the percentage of anal is way higher.

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  117. When men learn to treat women as more than a video game they’ll get more ass than they can handle…Perhaps that’s what scares most of the boys on here!

    Exactly the opposite is true. Like most women, you don’t really understand what attracts women.

    PUAs very quickly start getting women much better looking than you. This is what troubles your overvalued tits.

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  118. When men learn to treat women as more than a video game they’ll get more ass than they can handle…Perhaps that’s what scares most of the boys on here!

    Valerie’s quote above is from a woman who just realizes that she has been figured out, and her value is about to go down much like the Wizard of Oz’s did when it was found that he was just a man behind the curtain.

    Overvalued, average looking sluts like Valerie are getting a reality check, and they don’t like it. That is what they deserve for their anti-male entitlements, and gold-digging practices.

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  119. @Valerie
    When men learn to treat women as more than a video game they’ll get more ass than they can handle…Perhaps that’s what scares most of the boys on here!

    Um, … No.

    The precise opposite of what you’ve just written is true.

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  120. Anton:

    “I remember that the dumplings float to the top of the boling water when ‘done’. Is that right?”

    No, that would be a mistake to pull them out. They rise to the top when the yeast created enough pockets to change the specific weight of the dumpling–should be a couple of minutes after dumping them into the boiling water. If your dumplings stick to the bottom for a long time, you did not let them rise enough before boiling and you’d end up with slimeplings. 😉
    You have to let the dumpling expand, which based on the size can take from 10 to 20 minutes. When time’s up, take one out and use a thin thread to make a loop around the middle and pull the ends to cut it in half. If the center is firm and not doughy, you’re done. Use the thread to cut large dumplings into slices.

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  121. Anton, different dumpling (Slovakia, Czech, knödel type, thought I seen them also in Hungary, especially in Budapest). Googled nokedli and yea they would be done quick, due to their small diameter.

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  122. Valerie, denial is as wide as the famous Egyptian river.

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  123. Anon, not anton! My bad.

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  124. on August 12, 2010 at 1:03 am Yaakov Watkins

    There is something fundamentally dysfunctional with with this lifestyle. I feel sorry for the lot of you.

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  125. on August 12, 2010 at 1:49 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Dat_Truth_Hurts
    @Valerie

    Text received yesterday out of the blue from girl 10 years younger than me (she is 25):

    her: you really are an asshole. But I can’t deny you are good in bed… Let’s fuck one more time 😉

    DTH: sounds fun

    I use straight asshole game, which is better than video game because the percentage of anal is way higher.
    ”””””””’
    oh shit the truth does hurt hahhahahahahahaha

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  126. on August 12, 2010 at 1:57 am gunslingergregi

    ””””’on August 11, 2010 at 8:01 pm Valerie
    When men learn to treat women as more than a video game they’ll get more ass than they can handle…Perhaps that’s what scares most of the boys on here!
    ”””””’
    No valerie treating life like a video game is how you beat it and get all the ass you can handle.

    Just level up and save money save money aquire status markers aquire mass hoes by buying them.

    We are all just having a little fun here rather than just being so blunt about it.

    But really to get bitches is easier than a video game.

    Figure that one out. Ho’s are so predictable it is like an unchallenging video game. So yea of course we got to make it harder than taking stacks of ones and throwing em at bitches we like at the club until they go home with us.

    So yea if guys were just told straight truth about hos people might not even want to play the game.

    hahahhahah

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  127. @Yaakov Watkins

    “There is something fundamentally dysfunctional with with this lifestyle. “

    Meaning PUA lifestyle? There were always PUAs and they seem to be content, and due to the circumstances, it is a legitimate strategy pro tempora. As for the basic principles of the Game that shreds feminism fairytales, there is nothing dysfunctional about it, it is a correction applied to a dysfunctional society.

    I feel sorry for the lot of you.”

    Actually, the opposite is the case, you feel sorry for yourself, you are just wrapping yourself in the net of rationalizations and projections.

    Veritas vos liberabit.

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  128. Morselleaux,

    Isn’t is remarkable how unoriginal the shaming language of the jealous haters is?

    I mean, they all write the same thing, which happens to be no better than what they could have done at the age of 11.

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  129. Are there any classes that teach women how to avoid PUAs? It would be the perfect sweet-sixteen present for dads to give their daughters.

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  130. Wait. Say it isn’t so….

    Donald Duck has been accused of groping a Disneyland customer:

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/grope-claim-against-donald-duck

    Let’s remember that, when Tigger was charged with the same crime, he opted for a full jury trial with no plea bargaining. It took the jury less than an hour to acquit him.

    That Instapundit link is a big deal if it means that Glenn Reynolds will be regularly checking out this blog or is already doing so. Roissy was getting 3000 hits per day a few months ago and it could grow to a lot more than that soon.

    This might be a good time for CR to do another great political essay.

    I assume @Valerie might be an Instapundit reader in which case she might fashion herself as a conservative Republican. If so, people like her need to understand that this blog does try to convince more males to vote Republican…and the implication is that we should vote for pro-male GOP primary candidates.

    @Valerie should easily see that Beta males, who do everything women tell them to do in order to impress them and win acceptance, fit the Democrats more than Republicans…or should (Republican politicians like Sam Brownback have really let us down on that score).

    The first thing @Valerie needs to do is come back and tell us that, as a Republican, she is very much against the feminists at the National Organization for Women.

    It is OK if she misunderstood game, but not OK if she thinks that males should be blocked from controlling the agenda of at least one of the USA’s two political parties.

    Which brings us to another new commenter who just arrived from Instapundit: @Yakov Watkins:

    This guy prides himself on Internet comment boards as being a social conservative who is willing to use his real name everywhere because, he thinks, that what he has to say is socially acceptable as opposed to what the rest of us all say.

    He is a prime example of the type of person who needs to be removed from power in the Republican Party.

    Here is something he recently wrote at the DanielPipes website:

    While some might chuckle and agree, at least partially with this comment, it is a basic admission that an “American Taliban” isn’t such a bad idea.

    From his comment above, he makes it clear that the “American Taliban” is no friend of the Roissysphere which includes all men who want to get laid or just convince a woman in public to not be rude and maybe have a conversation.

    Remove such White Knighters from the Republican Party.

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  131. Sorry, I tried to put the above comment in brackets because someone told me that is how to make it look like a comment in WordPress. Here it is:

    Commenter Yakov Watkins writes, “Sexuality is one of the few areas where we see something approaching civilized behavior from Islam, as opposed to the animalistic oversexualized approach of the American culture.”

    @Dave

    You want to teach your daughter to avoid all men with the guts to approach her? White Knighters like you forget that she has only about 8 years of appearing highly fertile and shouldn’t get into the habit of rejecting the best men while she can still attract them. And, no, the “best men” aren’t looking specifically for those who have passed peak fertility.

    Relax and read more Roissy posts. Look up “White Knighter” on Google.

    Dads who don’t realize their daughters will have a limited peak attractiveness in which to find the best men…are basically just feminist sycophants.

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  132. This blog is being visited by some Instapundit regulars who mistakenly feel that the Republican Party is supposed to continue ignoring the male vote while sucking up to “conservative feminists” and old church-going busybodies like good chivalrists should.

    By the way, how do you put things in quotes so the quote icon shows up in WordPress?

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  133. @Dave

    You cannot teach a young woman to “avoid PUAs” without telling her to avoid all courageous males who try to meet her in any way. Such advice will cripple her personality and most chances for both social and career satisfaction.

    What you should do – if you even pretend to be conservative – is tell her to avoid the nonsense of specifically seeking a gay friend she can “feel safe with” and to reject modern feminism.

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  134. on August 12, 2010 at 3:43 am gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Dave
    Are there any classes that teach women how to avoid PUAs? It would be the perfect sweet-sixteen present for dads to give their daughters.
    ””””’

    How bout instead of just telling your daughter to be a princess and get whatever she wants from daddy by asking.

    Teach her to be a good wife to her husband and that she is allowed to fuck her husband like a little whore instead of just being a little whore for every tough guy she meets but not her husband.

    Teach her to be a good teammate to a man and that no she is not even close to being what a man is she has too many safety nets to catch her if she stumbles.

    Tell her the truth about life.

    Tell her she doesn’t have to fuck her husband over just because the state says it is ok.

    She should actually work at the marriage too.
    Not just the man.
    That might help a little.

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  135. on August 12, 2010 at 3:47 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””Yaakov Watkins
    There is something fundamentally dysfunctional with with this lifestyle. I feel sorry for the lot of you.
    ””””’

    I feel so sorry for the guys left behind in the states that are sufering under child support and alimony that I want to die rather than know about it.
    But yea I can’t do anything about something that has been going on for over 200 years.

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  136. I’m convinced game basically works, but I suspect it works best for high-IQ folks; people who aren’t smart wouldn’t be able to interpret the principles properly. Intelligence is optimization power, intelligence by definition is increased efficiency at achieving goals. If the goal is getting girls, then those with higher intelligence will simply be much more effective at that goal than those without it, besides, high IQ folks are more likely to be witty conversationists and be interesting anyway. I’m not so sure game is much use for those without a lot of brains.

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  137. on August 12, 2010 at 4:19 am gunslingergregi

    Well yea people with no brains don’t rationalize themselves out of getting pussy.

    Just approach approach approach.

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  138. on August 12, 2010 at 4:21 am gunslingergregi

    Or work your 84 hours a week till you have loot and then throw money at hos.

    Everyone can do that brains or no brains.

    Beat the game.

    Fuck it.

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  139. on August 12, 2010 at 4:27 am gunslingergregi

    Excuses are like assholes everyone has one and they all stink.

    I don’t even let me being suicidal for years and years stop me from beating life.

    lol

    why would it life is easy if you apply some work to it.

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  140. Actually, its been discussed a lot here that people with supposedly high IQs often rationalize themselves out of quality dates, quality sex and/or completely miss the importance of going to the gym at least once per week.

    Any number of “intelligent” rationalizations can cause a man to fail to approach or, as in my case, to mostly only do an LL Approach (Low Risk, Low Reward) such as asking a woman for directions or the time (they will always answer that).

    The Yad video showed how a guy who knew nothing about Russia and the real story of Anastasia Romanov still managed to Kiss Close a solid 8 within 9 minutes of meeting her on the street. Most guys who could blow him away intellectually, at least on the subject of Russia, would not have succeeded like that with her…because he had trained himself to move forward with courage, like walking into machine gun fire.

    And high IQ men unfortunately tend not to convince themselves that it its smart to walk into machine gun fire.

    Too many “smart” American businessmen miss out on pussy because they are “aware” of the sexual harassment possibilities of sex in the workplace.

    I refused two gorgeous young women in the American workplace because I thought I was being smart. I regret that now. I should have gone for it.

    A lot of feminist thoughts and convoluted neoconservative ideas are allegedly “high IQ”.

    This blog is about helping people of all IQ levels to pull down the cobwebs of “pretty lies”. The motto of the blog is “Where Pretty Lies Perish”.

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  141. This article is making the rounds now:

    Who’s More Important, Steve Sailor or Roissy

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2010/08/whos-more-important-steve-sailer-or.html

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  143. Here is an interesting article called “The Beta (Male) Revolution Will Fail”:

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/08/beta-revolution-will-fail.html

    It describes how, after learning from Roissy, Betas won’t identify with Betas anymore and, thus, no longer want to revolt.

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  144. ———Jerry

    Here is an interesting article called “The Beta (Male) Revolution Will Fail”
    ———

    *Yawn*

    that article was writ a year ago.

    In one year’s time D-Day transpired, we marched across ALL Western Europe and the Germans surrendered.

    Here, it’s talk.

    ps
    tis amusing – everybody writes like they’re selling a SOC 500 textbook.

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  145. Anyone else get Dave D’Angelo’s newsletter?

    It’s free. Secondly there are great themes in it. But at some point in every newsletter, he “games” his readers with this tease:

    “””It’s funny, because I get a lot of emails from
    guys who say things like “I downloaded your book
    today, and I sat and read it all the way
    through… then I went out and got a girl’s
    number”, etc.

    Of course, the best is when I get the success
    stories like yours from guys who are taking the
    materials, and using them to get responses from
    women that they’ve never gotten before.

    Great job…

    Now, if you’re ready to take your success with
    women up about ten more notches, it’s time for you
    to get yourself a copy of my Advanced Dating
    Techniques CD/DVD program.

    This program is jam-packed with literally
    hundreds and hundreds of fantastic concepts and
    step-by-step techniques that will dramatically
    increase your successes… far beyond where it is
    right now.

    You can watch some great sample video clips and
    get all the details here:”””

    It’s a bit try-hard/hard-sell but there are aspects that good, but honestly they don’t go as deep as what I’ve found on this blog.

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  146. wait until you see
    the level of hand-raising fucktard commenter/tableguest
    the royal banquet attracts

    before you bask in its glory

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  147. Could anyone recommend a coach in the Chicago area?

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  148. @Anon

    Isn’t is remarkable how unoriginal the shaming language of the jealous haters is?

    I mean, they all write the same thing, which happens to be no better than what they could have done at the age of 11.

    Actually, I bet that they were capable of more rational response at age of 11. At the age of 23 at the close of their college years, they drunk enough poison from the feminist and marxist ideology pool that their potential for rationality and original thought has been nearly stripped away. I some cases, it is terminal–they will never regain a command of their mental faculties. They will live in a make-believe reality and no amount of data or proofs would penetrate the artificial deception that became their artificial self-deception.

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  149. so can anyone spot the alpha in this photo:

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  150. Firepower: Yeah it’s pathetic that beaten down betas not being able to overcome lifelong conditioning to defeat a civil enemy can’t compare to fighting in a fatal war with worldwide mass emergency mode.

    It’s even more pathetic the Nazis lost, right?

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  151. I’m convinced game basically works, but I suspect it works best for high-IQ folks; people who aren’t smart wouldn’t be able to interpret the principles properly.

    If you look around this blog or any seduction forum there are plenty of guys who seem to have read a ton of seduction stuff but still do not or cannot grasp the basic principles. Definitely failure of effort or IQ.

    So your point is absolutely correct, but it should be pointed out that intelligence can be maladaptive if you use it to rationalize failure, imagine crash-and-burns, or talk yourself out of success. Plenty of guys who are great software developers/engineers never get much success with women even after intense study of game principles. They are obviously way out on the IQ bell curve but something still holds them back.

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  154. Dude Man

    Firepower: Yeah it’s pathetic that beaten down betas not being able to overcome lifelong conditioning to defeat a civil enemy can’t compare to fighting in a fatal war with worldwide mass emergency mode.

    It’s even more pathetic the Nazis lost, right?

    i dunno – maybe you just sound biased because you sound like youd be The French – maybe a Belgian

    ps – i didnt use any periods – i beat you

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  155. Seriously a boot camp can totally change your life. Trust me. Hundreds, if not thousands of guys would agree with me.

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  156. It depends on your instructor ofc but I think that if enough reviews are bad they will change the instructor + most instructors don’t learn proper coaching skills so even though they know game, they can’t express if to most students. In one of my training sessions I had 2 extremes: a guy that refused to learn any material (he said he knew game) and another one who didn’t know anything (even though it was an advanced training).

    I had to do the money bet with the second one (he had AA) and give him a line to use, then a line and a transition, then 2 more questions … which gave him results after a few rejects.

    But with the first one I couldn’t work in the first hour. I asked him why he wanted to come here and he said he wanted to see how I gamed. So I asked my other students if it was ok to do a 20 minute set for him and they agreed. After 2 rejects I got the 20 minute set and I asked my guy to give me feedback. This request finally opened him!!!

    Some of the coaches might understand the situation, it probably happened in their bootcamps too … but I almost lost his interest for the training … and it could happen to anyone.

    So if you read a bad review … search for 2 more, don’t assume, research!

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  157. If it weren’t for Mystery being the the main character in The Game, besides Strauss, the whole scene would still be underground and Mystery would not get the attention he gets.

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