Carolyn Hax, Man-Hating Algorithm

Ah, Carolyn Hax, Style columnist for that paragon of post-truth propaganda, The Washington Post, has been the subject of tender ministrations here at the Chateau before. Well, she’s back for some more very special lessons.

In her advice column, (goddamn she gets paid for this shit?), she dispenses her wisdom to an astute emailer who wonders why chicks dig jerks.

Washington, D.C.: How come if a woman has dated both “nice” guys and abusive guys, you’ll find out that in just about every case, her longest relationships have been with the abusive guys? Why do so many women require some form of drama to remain entertained in a relationship, and do you find this to be childish behavior?

Carolyn Hax: Not as childish as attributing this to women as opposed to people in general, and lumping all women as opposed to addressing some of them who have a similar set of circumstances, and blaming the victims instead of the abusers.

But other than that, I’m right there with you.

If you are a guy, and if you are angry that women aren’t receptive to you when you see yourself as a “nice” guy, and you believe these women are instead receptive to abusive guys, then maybe it would be productive to consider that you’re harboring attitudes about women (and men, for that matter) that aren’t really “nice” at all.

The emailer is, of course, correct. Any man with a lick of experience with women will know the score — hot babes often spend their prime years in the carelessly aloof arms of assholes. Hax surely knows this in the primitive part of her brain, but the sophistic hamster-driven part is the one writing her insipid advice columns, and so she squirts tepid fembot anti-generalization shibboleths right on cue when someone shines a glimmer of reality in front of her face.

Hax, the truth that makes you so uncomfortable, and which will now gleefully be retold to maximize the pain this will cause you should you stumble across this post, is this:

Chicks, particularly the hottest chicks men want to fuck the most, are irresistibly drawn to assholes. Uncaring assholes, to be exact. There is a simple explanation for why so many men of varying virtue and character and success with women make this oft-repeated claim, and no recourse to lame excuses about “blaming the victim” or “bitter beta males who aren’t really as nice as they say” are needed. That simple explanation which eludes you is that the observation is true. Occam’s Razor never did give nothing to the feminist, that she didn’t, didn’t already deny.

Let’s deconstruct Hax’s reply for shits and giggles.

“Not as childish as attributing this to women as opposed to people in general”

Fallacy of gender equalism. When forced to ponder female mating behavior that is less than angelic, feminists will often resort to the “Yeah, but he does it too, Mom!” form of argument. It’s not a very good debate tactic, but it’s made even worse by the fact that it’s a lie. Men are not attracted to asshole girls. Men are attracted to sweet, feminine, hot girls with minimal drama. The holy fucking grail of chickianity is the drama-free, faithful, feminine and beautiful babe. That more than a few of these beautiful babies bring drama with them is sometimes not enough negative externality to turn men off from fucking them. Or even marrying them.

Women, on the other hand, will often fuck assholes even when those assholes bring nothing else of value to the table except their aloof and indifferent charms.

Yes, Mz. Hax, chicks really do dig jerks. They love jerks so much that the bed bounces off the floor when they fuck them.

“and lumping all women as opposed to addressing some of them who have a similar set of circumstances”

Women, and especially fembots, cannot distinguish between rules and exceptions. Thus, they are prone to mistakenly and hilariously refuting general rules on the basis that exceptions exist using the highly Socratic argument known as “proof by indignation at lumping”. In this formulation, noticing a general trend is the equivalent of “lumping”, and lumping is the impotent brain blurt of bitter betaboys and losers. For no man who isn’t a failure with women could possibly notice general tendencies that the female sex shares. Right? See, it’s ipso facto all the way down.

“and blaming the victims instead of the abusers.”

If the girl is choosing to stay with the “abuser”, then she’s not a victim. Victims aren’t normally happily in love with their tormentors. And it’d help if you slippery cunts would clarify what exactly you mean by “abusive”. Plenty of assholes don’t raise a hand to their lovers, but tease, mock, and patronize them in such a way that polite society socialites would publicly denounce for the edification of their SWPL tribe, but then secretly masturbate to with the blinds drawn. If the man is truly bad news, then the girl who stays with him deserves some of the blame for her predicament. That’s right, mothafuckaaaaaa. I said it. I meant it. It’s out there.

“But other than that, I’m right there with you.”

Snark: the universal feminist response to anything that rattles their exquisitely manicured worldview.

“If you are a guy”

It’s time to take back the word man. “Guy” has become the semantical substitute for nebulous eunuch-type humanoid. It is a neutering affectation.

“and if you are angry that women aren’t receptive to you when you see yourself as a “nice” guy, and you believe these women are instead receptive to abusive guys”

It’s telling that she puts nice in scare quotes, but doesn’t do the same with abusive.

“then maybe it would be productive to consider that you’re harboring attitudes about women (and men, for that matter) that aren’t really “nice” at all.”

And here we get to the shriveled black heart of the archetypical thundercunt. If a man notices something about women’s nature that could be construed as unpleasant, he is a woman-hating loser. Since there are no negative generalizations — or any generalizations at all — that can be made about women, it stands to reason that men who do so have issues.

Hmm, now what other modern day leftie newspeak designed to thwart honest discussion about heretical social realities does this remind you of?

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Update

The anti-SWPL in the exchange above who shocked the world with his plain speaking about what his lying eyes were seeing emailed Hax again for a clarification.

Washington, D.C.: So you’re saying that there’s no segment of women that require drama to be entertained, and I have an attitude problem for disliking drama? Again, when you confront a woman who has been in abusive relationships, which is relatively common, why are their abusive relationships the longest relationships they have? You’d think that the relationship with non abusive men would be the longer relationships, right?

Carolyn Hax: Not if you know anything about abusive relationships. If they were easy to resist and easy to leave, nobody would be in them.

And if you don’t see that men get into relationships with abusive women, and stay with them long past the point of reason, and generate enough drama per couple for a Lifetime movie marathon, then you’re not looking for information, you’re looking to score points.

Sounds like Hax is backpedaling on her original claim that the emailer is a bitter “non-niceguy” with woman issues. So she’s now agreeing with him that women enter abusive relationships. Hax, keep your feminist talking points straight. Is the man who generalizes about women a loser, or are women victims for being so honestly generalizable?

This canard that women can’t resist or leave abusive relationships is utter bullshit. Funny, women seem to have no trouble at all resisting the come-ons of non-assholes, or leaving relationships with beta boyfriends. Where will she go? To whom will she turn? What about the chance he might stalk her? Those questions never come up when the man she’s leaving is a man she doesn’t love.

And what is it with Hax’s contention that men get into relationships with abusive women? Is this imaginary belief supposed to refute the emailer’s original point about women devoting the best years of their lives to long term relationships with assholes? She sounds befuddled by the inconsistencies in her logic. Attention all planets of the fembot federation. The hamster has assumed control. The hamster has assumed control. *squeak!*

The projection by Hax is astounding. Is she looking for information, or is she looking to score points? So far, we have her on record as accusing the emailer of having an attitude problem with respect to women. Sounds like Hax is open to a bracingly fresh and candid discussion! Not.

Men prefer to get into relationships with hot women. Hot women, by virtue (or by vice) of their expanded options in the sexual market, sometimes have bitchier attitudes than less attractive women who must compete by winning men over with sparkling personalities and easier access to their pussies. This does not mean hot women are bitchy all the time, or to all men, but many of them will be bitchy to men they are dating if they feel the men aren’t the best they can get. Nor does this mean those men prefer their women to be bitchy to them; men would much rather hot babes not act bitchy, but will resignedly put up with the bitchiness if she is the hottest they can have at the moment. Men do not chase bitches for the sake of their bitchiness, but women will chase assholes for the sake of their assholery.

Hax, if this wasn’t clear enough, here’s a clue. The reason there are widely-held stereotypes about women chasing after assholes all out of proportion to a few anecdotes about fetishistic men who chub for bitches is because…

wait for it….

hang on…

here it comes….

it’s true!

Do you think stereotypes materialize out of thin air? Here’s another stereotype for you: cunty urban yentas are the last source of advice a man who wants to understand women should turn to.





Comments


  1. first! fuck yeah

    “Do you think stereotypes materialize out of thin air? ”

    yup, homosexuality is genetic, intelligence is not, gender drops from the sky but we still have to have gender sensitivity programs. lol

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  2. Cunty urban yentas.

    The sad fact is they believe the garbage they spew.

    And they’ll resist to the end any acknowledgment of their delusions.

    It amazes me how our entire culture, when it comes to human nature and the role of women, is nothing but a collection of lies and damned lies. Nothing has even the slightest whiff of factual observation or truth.

    I hate feminists for this. I hate them for the lies they tell themselves and the lies they tell everyone else and the delusions and irresponsible behavior they pass off as reason.

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  3. on August 5, 2010 at 2:14 pm Backdoor Man

    Jesus, I detest that bitch. I stopped reading her years ago, if anything, for the fact that she cannot write. Half the time, you find yourself scratching your head, wondering what the hell that last parapraph was intended to mean. I should start a campaign: Axe the Hax.

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  4. I’m so glad I’m a man, but one thing about being female must be very nice: the ability to write utter crap and have it lapped up as quality relationship advice because it came from someone with a vagina.

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  5. *All* advice columns are crap.
    The only one that’s any good is one in the Sunday Times magazine in England called Mrs Mills but only because I write the answers to that one. Alas I cannot share links as Mr Murdoch has put it behind a pay wall although he is not paying me any extra. Actually, I do the column for free if he lets me sit on his lap sometimes because he’s so alpha just like Don Berlusconi..but that’s a whole other story.

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  6. I think I found the Alpha of the Year. Manages to pull it off while wearing a pink shirt:

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  7. Attention all planets of the fembot federation. The hamster has assumed control. The hamster has assumed control. *squeak!*

    Rush fans are betas, I speak as one of them.

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  8. You really do understand women well.

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  9. My GF is constantly googling and talking to friends about how to escape an abusive relationship… which doesn’t exist and she never leaves even though she could get any guy she wants. This is the ideal relationship… you keep her objectively happy (only a white knight on the sly can really do that)…. but make her THINK you are an abusive asshole to keep her interested. Deep down she knows you are the kindest man she can get, but she also thinks you are abusive for the tingles. Hot and cold. Confuse them and keep their head spinning.

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  10. Chateau – you ever get contacted by the “journalists” you eviscerate?

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  11. “Rush fans are betas, I speak as one of them.”

    yeah, but i’m guessing Rush probably lifted that line from Rand. he might be quoting Rand directly

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  12. Let me guess? She’s single? Divorced?

    I’d like to hear advice from a woman who has been happily married to her first husband for a long time- is in a loving relationship, still has sex with her husband, raised many loving kids (none of them on the pole or dole). I’d like the relationship advice to come from someone who….has succeeded in relationships. Doi.

    Edit: Just googled her. Pretty but manish features. Makes sense.

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  13. @AHE Rand is a little neocon too. Did NOT take after his Dari.

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  14. I have many times in my life met a guy and thought, “What a jerk.” and yet was kind of hot for him at the same time.

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  15. Nothing substantive about abusive relationships can be said without acknowledging the obvious differences based along clear-cut class divisions. Drug use, promiscuity, chronic poor impulse control, high unemployment, criminal mentality, low education level/IQ…

    Some could argue that sexual relationships among the poor are a more “real” display of human nature than the refined and passive aggressive ways of the middle to upper classes. I might not argue with that. But women on the whole, generally, do not want abusive relationships. They want dominant men. And dominant men in the lower classes who are not intelligent, rich or employable often only know how to exert “hand” using physical force.

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  16. Good point Sidewinder.

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  17. on August 5, 2010 at 2:39 pm Backdoor Man

    I just saw the 2112 reference upon re-reading. Nice. How big a Rush fan is/was CR? It’s not the first time they’ve come up on this blog.

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  18. on August 5, 2010 at 2:40 pm Markku Koponen

    They want dominant men.

    Sure, but failing that, beating the crap out of her appears to be the lesser vice than being nice to her, judging by their actions. Which is counterintuitive. Hence the need for The Game.

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  19. If you put in Carolyn Hax in Google Images, one of the first ten images is Lou Reed.

    Amazing how people seek advice from neurotic journalists.

    Funny thing, her ex-husband does her illustrations for her.

    How beta is that?

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  20. on August 5, 2010 at 2:42 pm Backdoor Man

    From Wikipedia:

    “Hax’s second husband, Kenny Ackerman, is a New Haven, Connecticut, educator whom she has known since childhood. They are the parents of three boys: twins Jonas and Percy, and a younger boy, Gus. The Hax-Ackerman family recently moved to the Washington, D.C. area.

    The cartoons that accompany Hax’s columns are drawn by her ex-husband, Nick Galifianakis.”

    She is 43. I wonder how the first marriage went.

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  21. on August 5, 2010 at 2:50 pm Obstinance Works

    HAHA

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  22. There are no diminishing returns with Chateau posts.

    You are entering Chuck Norris territory.

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  23. Women, and especially fembots, cannot distinguish between rules and exceptions.

    We see examples of this all the time on this blog, and in real life too. When women are faced with contentions they disagree with, they’ll write a long and extremely detailed personal story about their life, not for entertainment purposes, but as if this one single exception, their story, disproves the rule!!!

    They’re nuts I’ll tell ya. Poor things.

    It’s time to take back the word man. “Guy” has become the semantical substitute for nebulous eunuch-type humanoid. It is a neutering affectation.

    Yes. And although it’s sometimes necessary, I’m tired of the word “male” also.

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  24. a lot of girls go so far as to give physical shit tests. when they are angry and jealous they will punch you in the hopes you will kick their ass in return. then if they get bruised up they will always always show their bruises to everybody and say (brag) that you beat them up.

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  25. @Thursday
    “Women can be divided into three groups:

    1. Women who require asshole game.

    2. Women who respond to asshole game, but for whom it is not necessary.

    3. Women who do not respond to asshole game.

    Groups 1 and 2 make up a majority of a the female population.”

    Groups 1 and 2 make up a majority of A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N females.

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  26. The guy who wrote in is a retarded fag for asking advice from a woman.

    Allow me to repeat the el chief advice axiom:

    Get advice from someone:

    – as similar to you as possible
    – that has had success in that field.
    – was not a natural, but learned by doing.

    that is all.

    http://vancouvergame.blogspot.com/2009/08/dont-ask-barber-if-you-need-haircut.html

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  27. “I wonder how the first marriage went.”

    Seeking advice from her would be a marginally wiser action than inviting Roman Polanski around to meet the family.

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  28. In her followup-reply, you know, she may have a point.
    If abusiveness means drama, and certain women are addicted to drama, then these women will be addicted to abusive relationships. And addictions are indeed not easy to break out of even if your conscious mind realizes they are harmful to you.

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  29. game.in.bk bwa hahaha.

    It took me a moment to figure out why you posted that picture. Perfect.

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  30. A great link here: Ms Hax trying not to sound like a hypocrite in a web session:

    http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/12/Floridian/In_her_own_defense.shtml

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  31. on August 5, 2010 at 3:03 pm Obstinance Works

    Rush fans are betas, I speak as one of them.Speak for your self idiot.

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  32. @Backdoor Man (lol)

    Hax-Ackerman!? Are you kidding!! Ugh. So is it the same bull as Emily Rosin and David Plotz naming their kids “Rosenplotz”…Pet peeve.

    The ironic part is that all they are doing is taking two patriarchal names and merging them. One from your husband and the other one from your father. How incessantly stupid. It makes me very angry that *this* is what passes for feminism. These women act like children. They are not strong, they are just using the state to punish men. Annoying. And for shame to these sleazy little creeps that let women step on them like this. And for this: http://calitreview.com/images/Hanna_Rosin.jpg
    For Megan Fox, yeah, you’re hereby Mr. Fox. But ugh. For that monstrosity? Hanus.

    Ugh. I am so annoyed. You take your husband’s name b/c you are each other’s family’s. It’s a beautiful thing. But of course feminists hate beauty.

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  33. @Dream Puppy

    “Let me guess? She’s single? Divorced?”

    Married with a toddler and, I think, and an infant.

    “I’d like to hear advice from a woman who has been happily married to her first husband for a long time- is in a loving relationship, still has sex with her husband, raised many loving kids (none of them on the pole or dole).”

    My kids are still teenagers, but what can I help you with?

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  34. Eponymous last name much? :p

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  35. “But of course feminists hate beauty.”

    Never was a truer word spoken.

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  36. Backdoor man, here’s something for you:

    http://magazine.jamsbio.com/2008/09/15/wisconsin-girl-freaks-at-friends-dads-insistence-that-rushs-2112-will-change-her-life-forever/

    So I’m beta for liking Rush, who cares what uppity broads think about my music.

    “Cunty urban yentas..” classic!

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  37. “See, it’s ipso facto all the way down.”

    Still can’t stop laughing with admiration at that locution!

    You win the Great Tortoise Award for Best Obscure Mythic Reference Used With Withering Sarcasm.

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  38. sharpcool
    “Women, and especially fembots, cannot distinguish between rules and exceptions.

    We see examples of this all the time on this blog, and in real life too. When women are faced with contentions they disagree with, they’ll write a long and extremely detailed personal story about their life, not for entertainment purposes, but as if this one single exception, their story, disproves the rule!!!

    They’re nuts I’ll tell ya. Poor things.”

    What, Sharpy you don’t appreciate Lily’s detailed relevant yarns?

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  39. You should make this a once-a-month post only as a public service to those betas who become familiar with the pua/game milieu. This is such a recurrent theme, that the only way to respond to it/process it is that assholes reflect an essential reality (even if only in a negative way) and nice guys don’t (at least when dealing with hopelessly immature women with their immaturity seems to encompass most of their child-rearing years). Men are supposed to be dominant leaders in the relationship – captains of the ship – and women are potential mutineers. If you display weakness/neediness/saint-like indifference to misbehavior they will mutiny.

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  40. What, Sharpy you don’t appreciate Lily’s detailed relevant yarns?

    I’ve printed them out and read them near the fireplace sipping hot chocolate.

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  41. J- You’re female?
    Ok- advice me. I met my husband and married fairly young. I am pretty and my husband is handsome. In 15-20 years I will not be pretty, but he will most likely be handsome and I am concerned. He is not shallow…but he is male. We have a very strong bond. Deeply in love. What do I do to keep him, and more importantly keep him happy and interested? What did you do?

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  42. If you treat a girl like dirt, she’ll stick to you like mud.

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  43. “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.” — George Orwell

    The power of women is dependent upon men being ignorant of Game. Faced with the possibility of men getting wise to their shit, the thing to do is to try to belittle the technology of Game, so that betas do not seek it.

    The strategy among too many women is to spend any hot years chasing Alphas in hopes of snagging one, then when their peak hot years are over, snag the best beta they can find to support them in their declining years. This falls apart if the betas wise up.

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  44. In other news, a gigantic man jaw was seen protruding from Carolyn Hax’s face.

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  45. when i first came to this blog i thought all of it was bullshit.
    fact is, i thought the author was sexist, maybe even misogynistic.

    that was probably two years ago. that me, no longer exists.
    most will never find this website (or others like it), many will never accept- what is.

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  46. you can’t push 100% asshole game all the time. you need to play nice too.

    with that said: lawyers and therapists require advanced malevolent asshole game.

    also- i’d like to submit a new slut tell:
    Vegetarians.

    Most of the quickest and best bangs have come from the non-meat eaters, they will ravish your manmeat however.

    All the Vegetarians i have ever known frantically lust for cock.

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  47. on August 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm Cannon's Canon

    The reason there are widely-held stereotypes about women chasing after assholes all out of proportion to a few anecdotes about fetishistic men who chub for bitches is because…

    wait for it….

    hang on…

    here it comes….

    i know this! i know this!

    “Detox my buttocks!”

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  48. Gomen said: “If abusiveness means drama, and certain women are addicted to drama, then these women will be addicted to abusive relationships.”

    Erin Pizzey founded the first women’s shelters in the UK, and had the opportunity to study a large number of women who came to her. She wrote a book about it, “Prone to Violence”, part of which can be read at
    http://www.bennett.com/ptv/

    In a nutshell, there are some women who are addicted to excitement/drama. Just like there are guys who become addicted to high-stakes gambling, or the thrill of extreme activities, some women are addicted to the adrenaline rush of pushing violent guys right up to the edge of tolerance. Yes, sometimes they get the crap beat out of them, but it beats the boredom of living with a placid beta.

    Guys can do similar things, hanging out with girls that they KNOW are going to mess them up, just because being around them is such a rush.

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  49. 1/2 brain = rationalization hamster
    1/2 brain = attention hamster

    Extra: if she cannot find the drama she’ll create the drama.

    Nawalt

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  50. “sweet, feminine, hot girls with minimal drama”

    That describes my wife. I am very concerned I might be an asshole.

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  51. As R. Don Steele notes:

    “Nice Doesnt Work. Its not important why, it just doesnt.”

    He goes on to note a key difference: what Men view as being Nice (respectful, generous, flexible) and what Women do (firm, in charge, in control) are totally different.

    He reflects, not sure if they feel its too good to be true; or if it disorients her, or its un-masculine.

    This is b/c she has suffered at the hands of Men before you; starting with distant Daddy all the way to the last weeks a-h BF who dumped her….so she think ‘not-nice’ its Manly.

    So , when you show up and are nice she views it as Un-Manly. Like your hot date, coming back from the bathroom as a bull-dyke.

    The translation for us (and it took me a while to get this)…is Dont do it.

    -dont accomodate: “Sushi, sure”
    -dont re-arrange: Fri or Sat, sure,
    -Dont compliment.
    -Dont state a standing interest
    -Dont make it no-contest

    Once she sees your Nice to her, got him, no challenge, game over.

    Yes, after 4 weeks, after you have intimacy, be 10% as nice; and then increment up to normalcy, leaving 25% to full.

    Bad news:

    When you ARE nice prematurely, it can permanently damage the relationship; she lost respect for you. Its not important, for you or the dead horse, stop beating it. Credit the Tuition Paid account, and DONT DO IT AGAIN!

    NB: a special case is the Cunt-Godess whose MO is control….for her there is something a little bit wrong with everything…this is her way of exerting control: “I am Vegan, once seated at steak house”. Avoid, unless you are expert or enjoy combat.

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  52. I’d argue with just one point here. Men do end up in abusive relationships, sometimes physically abusive but mostly mentally abusive. Sometimes these relationships are long term–the shrewish housewife and long-suffering husband are a staple of comedy from the ancient greeks (Socrates’ wife actually hit him) to modern British comedy (Keeping up Appearances). Men don’t leave for any number of reasons. Sometimes the financial cost of leaving is a de-motivator. Maybe they don’t want to hurt the kids by leaving. Maybe they feel genuine love for the woman, just as a woman in an abusive relationship can think she feels love for her abuser. Relationships are complicated.

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  53. Ripping on Hax is like shooting fish in a barrel.

    King Lerxst would approve.

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  54. Dream Puppy, you want to keep your man interested?

    My game days are in the past. My wife was damn cute when we started, but that was close to 30 years ago. Yet I still am with her.

    Why? Because she strives to keep me happy. I get laid most nights of the week, which appears to be rare among long-married couples. I define love simply: it is the willingness to make an effort to make your guy happy. If he sees that, he’ll be less likely to leave you.

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  55. M.D. bitches are fucking annoying as well.

    Runners, and bike riders in the NYC- sluts or not? jury is still out, i have met my fair share of horny and toned femmes.

    Still, there are some runners that seem pretty feminine.

    running saps their estrogen- so the testosterone plays a more important role.

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  56. @Michael, that was exactly what I needed to hear. It is my birthday soon…officially late 20s and I was down 😦
    Nice to know there is hope!

    Thanks!

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  57. Puppy,

    To KEEP a man you need to continually keep his testicles empty and you his stomach full. In that order.

    For example, for his birthday bring over one of your pretty girl friends and her underage daughter for the weekend. He will drop to his knees and worship you.

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  58. For reading challenged:

    Swingers Movie / ‘Puppy Dogs & Ice Cream’ Clip:

    “..respect my ass, Get off this Respect” @ 0:27

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  59. Lily–

    The only one that’s any good is one in the Sunday Times magazine in England called Mrs Mills but only because I write the answers to that one. Alas I cannot share links as Mr Murdoch has put it behind a pay wall although he is not paying me any extra.

    Ah, so that’s what you’re here for. Advice column industrial espionage!!!

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  60. The problem with some women is their tendency to blame the wrong men for their mating preferences. If they happen to prefer abusive/dominant men (thin line between the two) that is up to them. But I get the feeling that when some of these women are over-the-hill they’ll be looking to punish nice guys for all the fertile years they spent choosing abusive men.

    Women can choose whoever they want during their prime. But don’t blame anyone else for it.

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  61. there’s an episode of criminal minds early in season 4 that is about a woman who is in love w/a murderer on death row.

    also, carolyn hax is a hack. i mean cunt. sorry.

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  62. Ronin–

    Groups 1 and 2 make up a majority of A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N females.

    I think this is universal, more or less.

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  63. Much confusion would be avoided if society permitted women to be straighforward about what they want in a man: be it rich, good looking, dominant, or whatever.

    Women want “nice guys” like we want “impressive, accomplished” women.

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  64. It’s a rare treat when see the phrase “archetypical thundercunt” tossed around, but, by God, you went and did it. If I didn’t work a straight-laced white collar job, I’d make those two words my personal mission statement and blast it to the heavens.

    Instead, I’ll just have to settle for congratulating here and laughing my fool head off around my confused and perplexed cow-faced coworkers. Well done!

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  65. on August 5, 2010 at 4:27 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Make any generalization that holds for 95% of a group and I’ll bet you any girl you’re talking to will chime in with an example of someone from the other 5% to “prove” that you’re wrong. It’s practically a law of nature. If girls could generalize, they would have discovered useful things like physics and engineering. They were too busy snowflaking.

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  66. @Backdoor Man

    “I just saw the 2112 reference upon re-reading. Nice. How big a Rush fan is/was CR? It’s not the first time they’ve come up on this blog.”

    What other instances has RUSH come up? Surprised I missed em. Im going to RUSH them next week.

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  67. Men also stay in physically and mentally abusive relationships and if they speak out they are called wussies and whimps. If they divorce they may lose access to their children not to mention losing their homes and half part of their income.

    Instead of hating on people who stay in abusive situations, there really should be more understanding as to WHY they do.

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  68. ^
    oops

    [What other instances has RUSH come up? Surprised I missed em. Im going to see RUSH next week]

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  69. So who here wrote her the original question?

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  70. Just about all women enter in some emotional fit that must be brought back to reality. This used to be a natural thing for a man to do until it got all equal like.

    You want to know what’s going on? He is talking about the water hole in a dystopian society where its all bottled laced with synth estrogen. Its a big ass secrete around here. You can get water from a hole. Yet in another day everything knew where to take the bucket.

    When you act like a normal man you are not surrounded by drama filled women. You are not an asshole either. Taking a wiz in public has now lapped on the shores of a sex crime. The dick is now a lethal weapon and just being a man is now called assholery. I call it snapping your woman out of it.

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  71. on August 5, 2010 at 4:38 pm Rant Casey BR

    Man… my experience with vegs confirms.

    They really crave cock…

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  72. Only in comedy do they often get things right:

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  73. The columnist is either not very bright or is intentionally overlooking the fact that a typical man will PUT UP with bitchy or otherwise bad female behaviour if she is as hot as he can pull or close to it; whereas women are attracted to the “abuse” itself from “abusive” men and not because he is handsome, rich or something else.

    This is not very difficult to notice and articulate. I can understand a woman noticing it, but pretending not to for political reasons. But to lie to yourself is unforgivable.

    What is the EvoBio take on it? That they want to have it both ways? Screw stud’s, but leave the door open for the support of a hub? Still don’t see why they have to lie to THEMSELVES.

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  74. Here is a good one, from an unlikely source
    —-

    70% of Existing Marriages May Already Be Gay
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/70-of-existing-marriages_b_671575.html

    “Soon after marrying, most men stop hitting on women and start shopping for furniture,” Dr. Logsdon said. “Scientifically speaking, how gay is that? Within ten years of marriage, he added, a significant number of married men stop having sex with women altogether.

    There’s only one way to describe someone who does not have sex with women, does not hit on women, and spends his free time shopping for furniture,” he said. “That word, to be scientific about it, is gay.”

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  75. @Dream Puppy

    I do use Game to keep wife on her toes. I find I was doing it long before I heard of Game, and it’s been successful. My approach essentially consists of making sure that, while I’m currently happy to be her hubby, it is NOT safe to fuck with me. I can and will leave her if she loses interest in working at keeping me happy, and my ability to replace her exceeds her ability to replace me. And if she attempts to rape me in divorce court, she will NOT like my response. I will NOT submit.

    So far, it’s worked out OK, I’m happy, she’s happy.

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  76. Notice that Carolyn would never deign to respond to your charges in the comments here (or even in her column, for that matter). There are two reasons for that, although I leave it up to readers to determine the weights assigned to each one:

    1) She thinks it’s beneath her to do so.

    2) She knows you’re right.

    I vote 100% for #2

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  77. “then maybe it would be productive to consider that you’re harboring attitudes about women (and men, for that matter) that aren’t really “nice” at all.”

    I just can’t explain how viscerally repulsive fake nice is. Being nice for the exchange of sex, it’s just…

    different from genuine nice.

    There’s a type of nice that is weak supplication and placatory. There’s another type that’s from a position of strength.

    They really crave cock…

    They’ve got to get some meat in them somehow.

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  78. Bravo. Always a pleasure to read. There’s nothing like seeing bullshit eviscerated like that.

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  79. @BH

    If the fembots openly admit that they want to fuck alpha males and screw over beta providers simultaneously, the overwhelming majority of betas (who usually have brains, but not balls) would cease to provide. It’s more than likely that they would throw their hands up in defeat, masturbate and play video games instead.

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  80. on August 5, 2010 at 5:28 pm Harry Morgan

    @Jcut

    I think you just described the herbivore phenomenon in Japan.

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  81. @jcut

    That is the disease of the Nipponese.

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  82. JCut,

    I suppose what I don’t entirely get is that they are also lying to themselves. They geniunely believe their own bullshit. Maybe it’s just that the best and most effective liar is one who truly believes her own lies.

    Bhetti,

    Interesting response. It raises the question of why fake nice is so “icky”, but fake not-nice (asshole game) is lapped up…..

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  83. Wait… did someone mention chick’s digging assholes?

    Lawyer marries smackhead, hilarity ensues:

    http://tinyurl.com/3azrpqt

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  84. Hi Chateau,

    I saw this the other day in the bookstore:

    http://www.amazon.com/Why-Men-Love-Bitches-Relationship/dp/1580627560

    Whaddya think? Does this not prove somewhat what Hax said (the first time around), that people (of either gender) love a partner who can keep them on their toes, and disrespect a doormat?

    Gilbert

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  85. on August 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm 9, The Editor

    HOLY FRICK!
    Stellar!

    This is going up on my blog for the “evils of feminism” and fraknmedia category. It is like my religious duty to do this, the truths, the truths!

    What a frankenmedia we got here…Wash Po! this is modern media today 110%. ALL LIARS, LIARS!

    The matter of giving a girl a few negs and being an a-hole are 2 different matters. This was twisted into accusing a jerky human being into a abuser. Pluhhzzee.

    Men are not abusive. Some are like a slim stat of “some” are abusive. Most are not abusers in any form. Next thing we know she be getting her talking points from the “jane v mitchell” from like…headlines news or that cnn station whatever the heck it is that features Nancy Graceless. JVM talks hate on men 80% of the time.

    thelp lp 999

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  86. @Michael- Yeah my husband games me too, which is easy since he is of superior IQ to mine and I hate it when I think someone is mad at me. Earlier in our relationship he was not assertive, and interestingly enough now that he is, we are both happier. We’re not unique.

    Does it help if/that your wife stayed thin? Is that part of the “trying to please you” aspect of things? I think that helps immensely no?

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  87. @Jcut

    If the fembots openly admit that they want to fuck alpha males and screw over beta providers simultaneously, the overwhelming majority of betas (who usually have brains, but not balls) would cease to provide. It’s more than likely that they would throw their hands up in defeat, masturbate and play video games instead.

    Betas need to man up. Girls consider them betas because they can take beta cash, fuck alpha dick on the side, and then deny betas anything in return.

    Screw that.

    I’m a classic male chauvinist pig. I pay all the bills and provide a good home. In exchange I want to get fed well, and fucked when I’m in the mood, or at least given a blow job. If I’m not serviced well, I get grumpy. She doesn’t like it when I’m grumpy, so she makes an effort to make me happy.

    Like I said earlier on the thread, there’s one good indicator of whether a woman loves you: does she make an effort to make you happy? Ignore what she says (women lie, it’s what they do), pay attention to what she does. If she can’t be bothered keeping you sexually happy, then it’s time to pack up and move on. Make sure she knows that, too.

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  88. Dream Puppy–

    Does it help if/that your wife stayed thin? Is that part of the “trying to please you” aspect of things? I think that helps immensely no?

    Abso freakin lootly.

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  89. Gilbert,

    No, I think the author of that book is projecting. Or only noticing very selected cases. The vast majority of men will only be interested in bitches if they are very close to the top level of hotness they can pull. There is no attraction to the bitchiness itself.

    It’s like women complaining that men like dumb women so that they can control them. It’s all shit. If the woman is hot he will go for her whether she is smart or dumb. Makes no difference. At least for a short-term relationship. Likewise with bitchiness.

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  90. For God’s sake Gilbert, are you serious? That piece of useless crap was written by a woman (Sherry Argov) for women (“A woman’s guide to holding her own in a relationship.”) And you think this somehow proves what Hax said? Ugh.

    @DP- “Does it help if/that your wife stayed thin? Is that part of the “trying to please you” aspect of things? I think that helps immensely no?”

    You should think more expansively, and not fixate on thinness. Men are visually stimulated, and I think most would be more stimulated if their wife didn’t gain several stone, as so many do. Trying to stay visually attractive for him is certainly helpful on both a primary level and secondary level. If the Battle of the Bulge is being lost, diversionary actions might help.

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  91. Michael–

    Betas need to man up. Girls consider them betas because they can take beta cash, fuck alpha dick on the side, and then deny betas anything in return.

    Yeah so true. Game can address a good part of that.

    But not all of it. There’s also the laws that feminists have constructed to massively transfer relationship power that naturally rests with men to women. I’m talking primarily about divorce 2.0 laws, but also VAWA. I’m talking about the effect of those things as backdrop within a marriage that’s still good or great.

    You’ve much better off living with a woman than marrying her in America these days, because of what feminists have done to divorce. Having kids automatically subjects you to some of the same leverage she’d have as backdrop if married but not all of it. Not your house, and more than half your wealth part plus maybe alimony.

    Or if you must when kids are imminent marry but then only with a prenup that mimics living together in the event of a divorce. The trouble with that is that prenups can be broken on the smallest things, and if much is at stake her lawyer is going to be pressing hard to try unless she’s adamantly against out of honor etc. Unlikely with any woman in today’s America. The trouble also is that feminists are increasingly pushing to have the law on recognizing prenups outside of child custody and support chipped or jackhammered away. You don’t know what the law will have changed to down the road. And finally – if you’re married and make way more than her at time of divorce filing, you’ll be paying for her lawyer while he tries to break the prenup, endlessly.

    So better not to marry in America or Britain. (Even more so in Britain, they don’t honor prenups at all.) Live together even if you’re gonna have kids with her tomorrow.

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  92. Hey you should write a letter pretending to be an author like the guy above and draw Hax out on her bullshit. It’d be fucken hilarious.

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  93. @Doug

    It really is a shame about prenups in Britain, I really hope it changes. But there’s an interesting coming up soon which will test it, the case is actually a wealthier woman and her husband who did ‘divorce theft’ on her, google Radmacher.

    Is there a reason people having kids in the US should marry not live together? In the UK, it used to be that was better for men as they would have rights over their children that unmarried men didn’t have, but there was a law bringing int parental rights agreements which means it’s not so relevant anymore.

    Obviously there are the stats that show that parents who are married are more likely to stay together than those who are not which is better for the children and society, but except for that?

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  94. @sharpcool & Ronin
    Aww, thanks!

    Yes, sorry I know I can be a bit wordy when writing, I need to work on that (generally not just on this blog). But great to know about the fire and hot chocolate, I hope I’m being served with whipped cream.

    Though I don’t think I can be accused of using one personal example to argue against something. I like thinking about things from different perspectives (generally in life, not just this blog) and sometimes use things from my personal experience to illustrate an example (just as I sometimes point to something in history or current affairs), but that’s about it.

    And I do try and be entertaining.. some of the time 😉

    @Doug
    Yes, agony aunt espionage..!:-) I’m just in a transition period in my life and learning as much as I can from different sources.

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  95. Lily–

    Obviously there are the stats that show that parents who are married are more likely to stay together than those who are not which is better for the children and society, but except for that?

    I think those stats should be read with a whole container of salt. The direction of causation isn’t in the least clear.

    Higher SES types with a more committed male tend to get married. those who are unmarried and living together weigh heavily in the Uni age bracket when no kids are involved, and among lower SES. At least here in the US and I quite sure there in Britain too. Chav’s don’t often marry, innit?

    As far as male rights to the kids goes, not much I don’t think. I think it could all be rather easily death with by the mother giving health powers of attorney an so on. Post a slip up not much.

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  96. It never ceases to amaze me when I catch some food and it starts complaining about how it wasn’t its fault and someone else forced it to jump into the pit.

    Alone, in the desert.

    Technically it’s right, I just made use of my superior intelligence to lure it in, but the crazy shift of blame is astounding, it’s as if its tiny brain did not have enough circuitry to process what happened, so the neurons connect at random and simply spew whatever imagery they manage to conjure.

    “The Patriarchy did this to all women!”

    You just walked into a Sarlacc pit in the middle of the desert! Oh just shut up.

    *Nom* *Nom*

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  97. Oh now you guys have me wanting to share something personal from before I knew about game and how you all think. And it shows me being all snowflakey, aww bless. Flame away sharpy and Ronin 🙂

    Player:
    All women are golddiggers.
    Me:
    *All*? That’s not true I’m not(Snowflake;-) lol)
    Player:
    *All* women are
    Me:
    But that means you think I am. *tear coming into eye*
    Player:
    Well ok, you’re not, but that’s because you’ve got your own money.
    Me:
    You’ve probably got a lot more money than me.
    Player:
    True, but you have enough to not want money from me. And you could easily have gone out with *name of his much wealthier friend* instead
    Me:
    How do you normally meet women?
    Player:
    In bars and clubs
    Me:
    How do you get to there, drive?
    Player:
    Yes
    Me:
    In your *brand name of very expensive car*
    Player:
    Well of course, well sometimes I’m in my *brand name of other very expensive car*
    Me:
    Ah.

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  98. @Dream Puppy

    Does it help if/that your wife stayed thin? Is that part of the “trying to please you” aspect of things? I think that helps immensely no?

    It most definitely counts as part of “making an effort to keep your guy happy”.

    Men are relatively uncomplicated creatures. If we have a woman who we see is making a real effort to keep us happy, most of us will give her back everything we have to give. We will work our whole lives for her, doing jobs we hate or stress us into early graves, but which bring in the cash. We will lay down our lives without hesitation to protect the women we love. And too many of us get screwed in return by our women, to the point where marriage seems a sucker’s game.

    You want to have your guy be absolutely devoted to you? Show him that you love him. Note I’m saying “show him”, not tell him. Words don’t work, too many women are liars. You show him you love him by making an effort. Keep yourself in shape. Make love to him as often as you can manage — even when you “don’t feel sexy”, feel tired, or just aren’t in the mood.

    A guy’s morale goes WAY up when he has a woman who can’t get enough of making love to him. If you don’t want to be that woman, don’t be shocked when you find out that there are other women who are willing to replace you. As you yourself noted, his handsomeness will outlast your cuteness. You have made a valuable observation that many women forget. You are at a stage where you need to cement your marriage, because HE is at a stage where he’s just reaching his peak attractiveness to other women.

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  99. @Doug
    In that case, no reason for an American man to actually get married then? Could just commit in a living together arrangement instead? Kids still his and get his surname, and they are still entitled to the same support and inheritance rights as kids of a married father?

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  100. @Michael: “You are at a stage where you need to cement your marriage, because HE is at a stage where he’s just reaching his peak attractiveness to other women”

    late 20s/ early 30s is when mean reach peak attraction to other women?

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  101. @Dream Puppy
    I’d say early 30s.

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  102. I’d say early 30’s also.

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  103. @BH

    It’s like women complaining that men like dumb women so that they can control them. It’s all shit. If the woman is hot he will go for her whether she is smart or dumb. Makes no difference. At least for a short-term relationship. Likewise with bitchiness.

    This is a major delusion that feminist women labor under. No, men do not actively seek out stupid women. We actively seek out women who make us happy. If she happens to be smart, so much the better, but smartness is not the prime criterion. A high-school dropout who is willing to strive to make her man happy beats a Harvard PhD who’s always bitchy and never in the mood.

    Most men I know would rather share a studio apartment with a sweet-tempered, beautiful, nymphomaniac than be stuck in a mansion with a bad-tempered, frigid, overweight nag.

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  104. Lily–

    I.e. I’m saying that if the guy is committed to staying together and making the relationship work particularly if they’re raising a kid or two together, and if he’s a higher SES type and his reason for resisting marriage with her at that stage is entirely divorce 2.0 laws, then it’s way different.

    Well there is one more reason to avoid marriage when the guy is committed. That’s to keep her a bit more insecure. For the good of the marriage. Trying harder. Marriage makes Anglosphere women, most of all American ones, entirely too secure these days, and there isn’t even much social pressure on her to counteract the legal changes.

    If they have kids together and he is a loving responsible father type he’ll still have plenty to lose. He’ll lose most contact with and influence over his kids, or even the ability for her to move far away with them. While at the same time he’ll have to pay a huge amount of his after tax income in high tax states to her as child support=also stealth alimony, while having no influence over her as to how that money is spent.

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  105. @Doug
    From a rational perspective, I am not keen on getting married again, I don’t see the point. And certainly from my perspective having a child with someone (whom you are in a committed relationship with) is a bigger commitment than a piece of paper.

    However, I also have a side which romantices marriage and whilst I do see marriage partly from a perspective of joining together of fortunes/partnership as in Roman times, there is a part of me which wants to ‘cast my lot’ in with someone who will be my teammate in life (ok he can be captain, but I want to be first officer), having his surname etc.

    Though in earlier times in England, the (what would have been considered then) more promiscous women sometimes changed their surname by deedpoll to the one of men they were living with (so the neighbours didn’t realise they weren’t married).

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  106. @Doug1

    I hear you, brother. Marriage these days can be a losing game if you have a woman who thinks she can use the legal system to rape you like a prison bitch.

    The only defense is to have her be totally certain that trying that with you is an incredibly bad idea. That you are willing to take it far outside her comfort zone. And that’s all I’m going to say on a public forum.

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  107. Lily–

    Kids still his and get his surname, and they are still entitled to the same support and inheritance rights as kids of a married father?

    The mother would have the right to decide the last name, but it would be determined on the birth certificate. Yes exactly the same support rights. (Which I think is way wrong in the case of true out of wedlock/relationship childbirths, but definitely right here. btw I’ve become increasingly convinced over the years the later are nearly all really ooops pregnancies, consciously or usually partly subconsciously.)

    As to inheritance I think the kids would have the same rights if he dies intestate; otherwise it’s up to his will but I’m guessing. She course negotiate such things in a cohabitation agreement which would be highly advisable if people with some scratch are doing this while having kids together.

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  108. @Michael
    That’s not the only defence, men can choose better whom they marry.

    I read on another website, which another posted a particular post on and Doug said was essential reading for all women on here, though it was on a different post than the link that the author said stay away from divorced women as one possibility was they chose their first husband badly. Well if women have to take responsibility for choosing their spouse badly, men should too.

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  109. Proof positive that Josh what’s his name and Levi Johnston are the future of America. Role models, even. Every boy should emulate them (and Kevin Federline, Charlie Sheen, and Russell Brand).

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  110. Lily–

    However, I also have a side which romantices marriage and whilst I do see marriage partly from a perspective of joining together of fortunes/partnership as in Roman times, there is a part of me which wants to ‘cast my lot’ in with someone who will be my teammate in life (ok he can be captain, but I want to be first officer), having his surname etc.

    Virtually all of that could be accomplished. She can change her name to make his as her last name, perhaps keeping hers as her last middle or substituting middle name (but please not hyphenated). One could even have a wedding like ceremony. (If one does all these things a cohabitation agreement is essential, to underline it’s not intended to be interpreted as a marriage under state marriage and divorce laws, but as the relationship of the agreement.)

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  111. @Doug
    In that case, I really don’t see why American men should get married at all. Or if as you say, have a watertight prenup.

    “btw I’ve become increasingly convinced over the years the later are nearly all really ooops pregnancies, consciously or usually partly subconsciously”
    I’m not convinced on this. As I think Nicole mentioned on here, many men will intentionally try and get a woman pregnant to keep her tied to him. I’ve certainly experienced this. I have not seen general stats to support this and I don’t discuss this sort of bedroom matter with my IRL friends so it’s only personal experience.

    And men do have a choice. Unless for example they religiously used a condom and the woman stole the condom and impregnated herself, there’s no basis for claiming entrapment.

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  112. @Doug
    Ok, if I move across the pond and commit to a hot American dude, I’m going to go for one of these cohabitation agreements.

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  113. on August 5, 2010 at 7:41 pm Alpha Scholar

    Blimey, what a PC High Inquisitor she is. And to think that I used to consider her really cute. I mean she’s entitled to her opinion, but the a priori equality axiom is weak.

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  114. Every boy should emulate them (and Kevin Federline, Charlie Sheen, and Russell Brand).

    I’ve been emulating Charlie Sheen way back in high school. His jock character in “Lucas” (1986) was my role model.

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  115. @Dream Puppy

    late 20s/ early 30s is when mean reach peak attraction to other women?

    I’ve found that men reach their peak between 30 and 40. Young women who would not give me a second look at 21 gave me a LOT of temptation at that age range. Meanwhile, women’s peak attractiveness happens around 24.

    What do women find attractive? Confidence, ability, power, education, wealth. When do men get that? When are they at the peak of their careers and earning power? When are they at their intellectual peak?

    When a guy was 21, he would generally be going after women 18 to 21, which is a fairly narrow pool.

    A 35 year old man can get women from 18 to 35. A much bigger pool to select from. A successful man can get 18 year old hotties well into his 40’s. I was discussing this with a friend of mine a couple of days ago. His delusional wife decided to leave him, figuring she could do better. Shortly thereafter he got himself a much younger woman who is a submissive who sucks his dick on demand. The ex-wife is now over 40 and lives in an apartment with her cats. She can get guys who will let her be their slut, but forget about the guy marrying her. She learned too late, that she should not have listened to her “supportive” female friends.

    The biggest mistake a woman can make is to pay too much attention to “supportive” friends. You know, the ones who tell her how she’s a “confident and sexy mature woman who can do a lot better than that asshole”. Well, guess what? Too many women find out too late that after mid-30’s, they best be prepared to live alone, because not too many guys who would give her a tingle are interested in middle aged women, especially with kids, who have a track record of screwing their ex-husbands.

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  116. @Lily

    I read on another website, which another posted a particular post on and Doug said was essential reading for all women on here, though it was on a different post than the link that the author said stay away from divorced women as one possibility was they chose their first husband badly. Well if women have to take responsibility for choosing their spouse badly, men should too.

    I’m my wife’s second husband, she’s my only wife. Her first husband was an abusive drunk. It makes her appreciate me more.

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  117. Dream puppy,

    your whiny, low self-esteem obsessions are going to make him run faster than anything else.

    Men see that mindset a mile away and they don’t stick around once they do.

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  118. So Chateau, you say men just want hot women and a lot of the time those looks come with shitty attitudes. I agree. But don’t the jerks and assholes tend to be the best looking guys as well??

    [Editor: Fuck no. Most of the jerks I see with hot chicks are average looking at best. Even a little grimy.]

    At least from what I have seen the majority of assholes who are getting all the pussy are usually the best looking guys.

    [Only the top 5% of men in looks get tons of female attention. There is a study on this out there. This is why it’s pointless for men to focus solely on looks as an attractor of women. Unless you are top 5%, your looks aren’t helping you as much as you think. Game is a much better route to getting laid.]

    Aren’t women and men pretty much the same, all chasing looks, but those looks come with certain behaviors?

    [No. Women are turned on by men who exhibit jerk behavior traits, regardless of looks. In fact, the best looking men are as often as not classical niceguys, because they can afford to be.]

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  119. on August 5, 2010 at 7:57 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””Michael
    Dream Puppy, you want to keep your man interested?

    My game days are in the past. My wife was damn cute when we started, but that was close to 30 years ago. Yet I still am with her.

    Why? Because she strives to keep me happy. I get laid most nights of the week, which appears to be rare among long-married couples. I define love simply: it is the willingness to make an effort to make your guy happy. If he sees that, he’ll be less likely to leave you.
    ””””””””””
    ”””””’Michael
    @Dream Puppy

    I do use Game to keep wife on her toes. I find I was doing it long before I heard of Game, and it’s been successful. My approach essentially consists of making sure that, while I’m currently happy to be her hubby, it is NOT safe to fuck with me. I can and will leave her if she loses interest in working at keeping me happy, and my ability to replace her exceeds her ability to replace me. And if she attempts to rape me in divorce court, she will NOT like my response. I will NOT submit.

    So far, it’s worked out OK, I’m happy, she’s happy.
    ”””””””””’
    Whoop there it is!!!!!!!

    Whoop there it is!!!!!!!!

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  120. For the record, here are my two core problems with the current incarnations of American women:

    1) Their gargantuan egos

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  121. and…
    2) Their sense of entitlement

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  122. 1) The gargantuan ego of the American female:

    Anyone else find it asinine that MEN are the ones who continue to have this undeserved reputation for big and fragile egos? American females are over the top in the ego department. It’s sort of like the myth that women are romantic and men are practical….reality is 180 degrees away from the myth. Women are practical to a fault, often to silly extremes.

    7’s think they’re 9’s. 5’s think they’re 8’s….we all know this by now, but it’s worth repeating.

    They assume all men who give them the time of day want to bang them. Unreal.

    2) Close corollary, but I think it’s a separate problem: The sense of entitlement.

    This is the chief reason they stay single and go to law school as their eggs wither.

    Most men would take on the Red Army for a girl who is pretty, understands she’s a girl, and is….wait for it…. KIND to him.

    Women have their 142-point checklist which only Mr. Super-Alpha-Master-of-the-Universe (hereinafter “Mr. SAMOTU”) can satisfy.

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  123. In the same column a woman asks whether she should spend more time with her father in his old age. Not at all surprisingly she’s resentful of her father not having spent enough time on her when she was young and seem to blame him for everything wrong with her life.

    Hax recommends that she should socialize with her father if it does something for *her* and not consider what their interactions might mean for him.

    Basically she’s telling the woman the she shouldn’t place any weight at all at the roughly 20 years of economic sacrifice her father put in for her and all the time he actually did spend with her.

    The whole thing is pretty disgusting and a pretty good example of why not to get kids.

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  124. ‘Men do not chase bitches for the sake of their bitchiness, but women will chase assholes for the sake of their assholery.’

    Wow…

    Why are all advice columnists chicks? Is it because the jobs’ easy? Is it because they blew some editor? Is it because it’s a fun, interesting career that you can do out of your own home while watching your three kids (from three different men)?

    Because they suck at it.

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  125. “Why are all advice columnists chicks? ”

    Perhaps because chicks have far more leeway to pursue careers that don’t pay squat.

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  126. From the ORIGINAL “Swept Away” (“Travolti da un insolito destino Nell’azzurro Mare D’Agisti”), directed by Lina Wertmuller:


    Which leads to:

    Which leads to:

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  127. My bad, “d’Agosto” should be that last word of the Italian title…

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  128. @Ludwig

    “They assume all men who give them the time of day want to bang them. Unreal.”
    I’m not sure this is actually that unreal. However, thinking that all the men that want to bang them would want to be in relationships with them would be unreal.

    “Most men would take on the Red Army for a girl who is pretty, understands she’s a girl, and is….wait for it…. KIND to him.”
    Ah, if only that were true. If that were the case, there would be no need for books like ‘why men marry bitches’ (note the author isn’t saying be a bitch, but take on certain traits). A great quote from a dating website ‘Men despise what comes easy and crave what they can’ t get’

    “Women have their 142-point checklist which only Mr. Super-Alpha-Master-of-the-Universe (hereinafter “Mr. SAMOTU”) can satisfy.”
    This I agree with, certainly in regards to the majority of American women.

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  129. *All* advice columns are crap, whether written by women or men. Except mine 😉

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  130. “Why are all advice columnists chicks?”

    More specifically, why are they mostly chicks without much meaningful experiences who’ve usually failed getting what they want and need out of relationships?

    A feisty grandmother of a large beligerent family dishing out relationship advice makes sense, a 30 year old, unmarried, childless broad who haven’t seen much of life doesn’t.

    Of course not all advice columnists aren’t chicks, a good chunk are gay men. Aside from virgins possibly the least qualified demographic possible to give good relationship advice to heterosexual couples.

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  131. J-CUT

    “If the fembots openly admit that they want to fuck alpha males and screw over beta providers simultaneously, the overwhelming majority of betas (who usually have brains, but not balls) would cease to provide. It’s more than likely that they would throw their hands up in defeat, masturbate and play video games instead.”

    I bet I’m not the only beta who has chosen this option. Infact, you will probably have quite a few guys going this route in the future.

    At least I can always say I was on the ground floor of what I believe will become a popular movement for a lot of beta’s.

    Any ideas what it should it be called? How about, “I would rather play Madden 6 hours a day than have some depressingly average chick use me as a provider” movement.

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  132. @Ludwig
    ““Most men would take on the Red Army for a girl who is pretty, understands she’s a girl, and is….wait for it…. KIND to him.”
    Sorry, I had to quote this again. This is such a load of b****cks. It’s like saying ‘women like nice men’.

    I know this helps keeps a man once you’re with him, because you know I’m kind to people I’m in a relationship with (or generally have in my life) and I’ve never had trouble keeping a man.

    But believe me, being pretty, girly and kind does not get a man interested in you. And the men who are most interested in you are the ones you’re not interested in (because you’re hard to get, probably because you’re not actually that interested), not the ones you want (because you lose control around them). That’s why you get these how to be a bitch books, it’s like the girl equivalent of asshole game.

    Though I must say with game and the girl equivalents, I do wonder how anyone’s going to breed.

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  133. on August 5, 2010 at 8:37 pm How Tupac Got His Groove Back

    Nobody got the Tin Man reference.

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  134. @Andrew
    Sorry to hear that. Though it sounds like you’re getting into omega territory.

    Can you not find a chick who has got some money of her own so she doesn’t need you to provide for her? I understand with this thing called feminism and there are 60% female college graduates so they must have some sort of job?

    There is this website called gamecrush where you can play video games with girls on virtual dates but the girls get paid. I wanted to play it until I found out about the paying, I don’t want to be paid to play with boys. Also, the money was so bad, it was a bit insulting. Maybe I should sign up anyway and donate the money to the charity.

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  135. on August 5, 2010 at 8:44 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on August 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm Michael
    @Dream Puppy

    Does it help if/that your wife stayed thin? Is that part of the “trying to please you” aspect of things? I think that helps immensely no?

    It most definitely counts as part of “making an effort to keep your guy happy”.

    Men are relatively uncomplicated creatures. If we have a woman who we see is making a real effort to keep us happy, most of us will give her back everything we have to give. We will work our whole lives for her, doing jobs we hate or stress us into early graves, but which bring in the cash. We will lay down our lives without hesitation to protect the women we love. And too many of us get screwed in return by our women, to the point where marriage seems a sucker’s game.

    You want to have your guy be absolutely devoted to you? Show him that you love him. Note I’m saying “show him”, not tell him. Words don’t work, too many women are liars. You show him you love him by making an effort. Keep yourself in shape. Make love to him as often as you can manage — even when you “don’t feel sexy”, feel tired, or just aren’t in the mood.

    A guy’s morale goes WAY up when he has a woman who can’t get enough of making love to him. If you don’t want to be that woman, don’t be shocked when you find out that there are other women who are willing to replace you. As you yourself noted, his handsomeness will outlast your cuteness. You have made a valuable observation that many women forget. You are at a stage where you need to cement your marriage, because HE is at a stage where he’s just reaching his peak attractiveness to other women.

    ””””””””’
    Michael is laying the shit down.

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  136. [In fact, the best looking men are as often as not classical niceguys, because they can afford to be.]

    if this is true then they are wasting their looks, like rich kid not knowing the value of a dollar

    but it would seem that a man who is used to always attracting women would be more likely to act like a man around them because they dont have to try. isnt beta-ness learned more than alpha-ness? to the extent any of it is nurture over nature — which i dont buy so much in the first place. pinker beats freud.

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  137. thats my new question for everyone. after you detrend for nature, which is more learned/learnable: alphaness or betaness?

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  138. @AHE
    “[In fact, the best looking men are as often as not classical niceguys, because they can afford to be.]

    if this is true then they are wasting their looks, like rich kid not knowing the value of a dollar”
    No, not at all. The Dark Lord makes a good point.
    It has actually clarified something for me.
    I’ve said before that you don’t need to be an asshole, some of the natural alphas I know (both in terms of status and ability to get women) are some of the nicest guys I know. Well, these guys also happen to be very good looking.

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  139. “His delusional wife decided to leave him, figuring she could do better. Shortly thereafter he got himself a much younger woman who is a submissive who sucks his dick on demand. The ex-wife is now over 40 and lives in an apartment with her cats. She can get guys who will let her be their slut, but forget about the guy marrying her. She learned too late, that she should not have listened to her “supportive” female friends.”

    These sort of anecdotal shares make me weep with joy.

    “In fact, the best looking men are as often as not classical niceguys, because they can afford to be.”

    Very good point, and true also of the most alpha of men. They have greater margin for error, so they can even white knight when they please, w/o any comeuppance.

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  140. Chateau takes us on and off moderation, trying desperately to make us think more about him. But I won’t fall for his shit tests.

    Indifference game playas.

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  141. When I said very good looking, I meant 9s, I’ve only seen about 10 x 10s IRL. As Ronin said, I probably need to get out of England.

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  142. on August 5, 2010 at 9:02 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Lily
    @Ludwig
    ““Most men would take on the Red Army for a girl who is pretty, understands she’s a girl, and is….wait for it…. KIND to him.”
    Sorry, I had to quote this again. This is such a load of b****cks. It’s like saying ‘women like nice men’.

    I know this helps keeps a man once you’re with him, because you know I’m kind to people I’m in a relationship with (or generally have in my life) and I’ve never had trouble keeping a man.

    But believe me, being pretty, girly and kind does not get a man interested in you. And the men who are most interested in you are the ones you’re not interested in (because you’re hard to get, probably because you’re not actually that interested), not the ones you want (because you lose control around them). That’s why you get these how to be a bitch books, it’s like the girl equivalent of asshole game.

    Though I must say with game and the girl equivalents, I do wonder how anyone’s going to breed.

    ”””””””’

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    This is why asian chick will eat an american chicks lunch. They turn a beat up divorced dude with no money and old into a happy man who works his ass off to make them rich by following michaels advice. But yea you should stop writing column.

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  143. @gunny
    Hah, if you read that column, you would disagree.
    As I said, behind paywall, but here’s an example from the archives
    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article7144307.ece

    And I’m sorry but you saying I’m wrong is like women saying that women don’t react to bad boy game.

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  144. my point about good looking guys wasting it like rich kids was: wouldnt they get even hotter pussy if they were good looking and jerks? sure, george clooney may not have to be, but most every other guy, however goodlooking, could stand to up their game.

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  145. Honestly, I wish you had a parallel column to interpret Hax for the trusting masses she misguides while she gives affirmation to women and feminist men.

    Carolyn Hax is a drinking game. Here, readers, you can play too. Just read her letter writer’s bold-type question and cover her response with your hand. The fun starts when a heterosexual man writes in for advice about dealing with women, whether he’s in a relationship with her, wants to be in a relationship with her, or just seeks guidance. Guess how she will answer.

    That’s right. She blames the man. This writer’s question and her answer you post here is a perfect example. A man frustrated from his experiences trying to date women (in the DC area of course) writes in to ask something very plain to the rest of us, and she blames… him.

    I’m still mad at myself for failing to be among your readers who notified you about it (well done lads!) after reading that unbelievable column entry in which she noisily, stupidly blamed a cuckolded man for suspecting that his infant daughter wasn’t his.

    Save your holier-than-thou moralizing and desperate attempts to discredit asshole game by falsely claiming it only appeals to low self esteem girls. We’re going to discuss what works, not what should work.

    You said this in your January 12, 2009 post about Asshole Game. You and your better readers would relish Freakonomics and SuperFreakonomics by Levitt and Dubner, and Dan Ariely’s Predictably Irrational. They are fast reads in the somewhat new field of behavioral economics which takes that same approach to things: they don’t care what people should do; they try to find what people actually do.

    Lash

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  146. @AHE
    If a guy’s really hot, he really has no shortage of women who want to have sex with him. And because he’s so good looking and women wanting him from a young age (and not being coy about it), he tends to have confidence, I believe PUA types call it ‘natural game’

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  147. @JRF

    “Why are all advice columnists chicks?”

    More specifically, why are they mostly chicks without much meaningful experiences who’ve usually failed getting what they want and need out of relationships?

    Because the audience for advice columns is women, and the key to keeping the female audience is not to actually give good advice, but to tell women what they want to hear. THE problem with good advice is that it generally involves telling the person what she does not want to hear, telling her in detail how and why she’s fucking up. That’s not the way to keep a female audience. They don’t want to be told how they’re fucking up. They want “supportive” comments.

    Hence the ideal “advice” columnist is somebody who can tell people what they want to hear, instead of what they need to hear. The personality type is also very bad at maintaining real relationships with real people.

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  148. on August 5, 2010 at 9:20 pm greatbooksformen

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    Carolyn Hax, (rhymes iwth tucker max rhymes with goldman sax lzozlzozozozozlz) Man-Hating Algorithm
    August 5, 2010 by Chateau

    Ah, Carolyn Hax (rhymes iwth tucker max rhymes with goldman sax lzozlzozozozozlz) , Style columnist for that paragon of post-truth propaganda, The Washington Post (rhymes with assohles get da MOST lzozlzozozozl), has been the subject of tender menustrations lzozlzozlzlzlzlzlzoz here at the Chateau before. Well, she’s back for some more very special lessons.

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    Washington, D.C.: How come if a woman has dated both “nice” guys and abusive guys, you’ll find out that in just about every case, her longest relationships have been with the abusive guys? Why do so many women require some form of drama to remain entertained in a relationship, and do you find this to be childish behavior?

    Carolyn Hax: Not as childish as attributing this to women as opposed to people in general(FUCK DAT SHIT I DON’T DEAL WITH ASSHOLE WOMENZ BUT WOMENZ LOVE ASSHOLE MANS DUH LIKE I DON’T WIRE LOTSA FIAT CASH TO WOMEN WHO SECRTEIEVLY TAPE BUTTHEX WITHPUT HE MAN’S CONTHENT, WHILE WOMEN DO DO DODE WIRE LOTSA FIAT CAHS AND GIVER PR AND REPEAT THE LIES OF THOSE WH SO SECRTELY TAPE BUTTHEX WITHOUT THE RGI RLTTHS CONTHENT THAT IS WHAT POWERFUL WOMEN DO WHILE LESSER WOMEN REPEAT THEIR LIES AND EVEN LESSER WOMENZ ON DA PTOME POLE FUCKA DN SUCK THEM OFF AND BLOG ABOUT TI AND THEN GO “WHY ARE THERE NO GOOD GUYS LEFT?” LZOZLZOZZOLZLZ, and lumping all women as opposed to addressing some of them who have a similar set of circumstances, and blaming the victims instead of the abusers (YAH WHY ARE WOMEN WIRING HUNDREDS OF THOUSNADS OF DIFNAT DOLALRZ TO ABUSERS OF ANTHUES ANDD SECTRIVE TAPERS OF ASSCCKONG SESSIOSN WITHOUT TEH GRILTHS CONTHENT> WHY DON SWOEMNS WFUKC TEH ASSHOLE ABUSES AND CUK AND SUCK THEM AND REPAET TEHIR LIES FOR PR PURPOSES CALLING THEM SIX FFOTT BUTTHEXULA HEROES AND GREAT SUCCETEHS WHY DO WOMEN REWARD ABUSIVE DOUCHEBAGS SO WHILE ARE BETTER LAPSHA ARE IGNORE ANS THEY BLESED TO EDEEATH ON FOREIGN SHORES IN FOEIGN WARS? WHY HWY> WHY >> ZOZOZOZOZOZLZLLZZOZOZZLZOZOLLZOZOZOLZ).

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    If you are a guy, and if you are angry that women aren’t receptive to you when you see yourself as a “nice” guy, and you believe these women are instead receptive to abusive guys, then maybe it would be productive to consider that you’re harboring attitudes about women (and men, for that matter) that aren’t really “nice” at all. LOZOZOZLZOZOZZLLZOZZOOZZOZOOZOZZ

    YAH BUT WHAT IF I’M A GUY WHO SEES POWERFUL WOMENZ WIRING HUNDREDS OF THOSUANDS OF DOLARS TO SECRTEIV TPAERS OF ASSCKCING SESSISONS LZOZLZOZLOZZOOZZOZOZOZZLOZOZ AND CFUCKING AND SUCKIG THEM AND DUTIFULY REPEATING THEIR LIES IN THE PAGES OF NEOCON WARMONGERING MAGS AS THE NEOCNS NEVE LEAVE DC WHERE THEY ARE BUYS PRINTING TH EMONEY BUT INSTEAD SEND THE SONS OF TOTHERS ALPHAS TO DIE AND BLEED TO DEATH LZOZLOZLZOZOZOZ. LZOZLOZZLOZOOZOZOZ

    da problem iwth Carolyn Hax, (rhymes iwth tucker max rhymes with goldman sax lzozlzozozozozlz) is dat she is blaming the vitcim–the nice guy who gets buttraped in divorce court as rtoday’s pwoerful women profit publish promote finance secrive tapers of butthex iwthout tehr gilrths contehnt show lie about her height and are abuseive and dat is women fuck suck promote and reward lzozlzozlzlzo

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  149. on August 5, 2010 at 9:21 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’on August 5, 2010 at 9:07 pm Lily
    @gunny
    Hah, if you read that column, you would disagree.
    As I said, behind paywall, but here’s an example from the archives
    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article7144307.ece

    And I’m sorry but you saying I’m wrong is like women saying that women don’t react to bad boy game.

    ”””””’

    Here is my point though an asian woman can turn a fucking loser into a wealthy dude because they already know how to do it. They can actually advise the dude on that shit.

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  150. Laura, I wouldn’t say I’m an Omega. I would say my mind has been fried due to some pretty bad stuff I have been through, and I really just don’t have any interest in being a part of American society. I mean I could go to quite a few places on this planet (not just third world) and not have much trouble meeting women. But here in the States I’m regulated to your 4’s and 5’s and this has no interest for me. And it really shouldn’t be of any interest for most beta’s, as we all know how most American women judge their apperance these days. The 4 is a 6, the 5 an 8.

    My best bet is to take my rather large bank account, move to some Asian country and start my own harem. Of course my lack of motivation to do anything these days that would lead to a better life probably does make me omega. But then what does 2 millions dollars, and the fact that I can get easy hookups when I TRY, with slutty 4’s and some 5’s make me??

    If I ever get out my misery and started living my life I would probably still never make it past upper beta here in the States, but I would have no problem pulling top of the line pussy most everywhere else.

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  151. Above was meant for Lilly.

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  152. @ lilly

    it isnt a question of a shortage of pussy. lots of guys have no shortage of pussy if the question is quantity. the question is quality. a guy with great looks fucking 9s could aspire to fucking 10s.

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  153. Lauren Sivan on Red Eye talking about bad boys. Love that woman’s laugh. Story is about a guy who went on a date and ended up stealing the chicks wallet and car.

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  154. @Gunny
    Sure. Agreed with that.
    I can also make a guy wealthier, but you have to be sensitive how you do it, you don’t want to demasculate him. The Player probably has an extra million because of some help I gave him, but I wouldn’t in a million years point it out to him.

    @Andrew
    Sorry to hear that. But given you’re describing women in terms of looks numbers and don’t think the 4s and 5s are good enough for you, depends what you look like. If you’re say a 2, having 2 million dollars doesn’t exactly entitle you to 8-10ss on money alone. Unless it was 200 million, and let’s say women attracted to you for 200 million instead of 2 million wouldn’t be after you for scintillating personality.

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  155. @AHE
    At least where I come from, men with 9+s in looks don’t have any problems getting 10s. Truly good looking men are much much rarer than good looking women.

    Sure, a penniless 9 man may find the 10 will marry a man who is an 8 but with money instead of him, but he won’t have a problem having sex with 10s.

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  156. I had an observation many years ago, which I want to bounce off the crowd here.

    The defining characteristic of a slave is that he’s decided that life, on whatever terms, is better than death. The defining characteristic of a nobleman (and I’m talking classic nobleman rather than today’s descendant of inherited wealth and title) is that he’s made the decision that there are some lives that are not worth living — that he is willing to die, and he’s willing to kill, rather than live under the arbitrary power of another.

    For somebody who has decided he would rather live a short life as a nobleman, than a long life as a slave, it’s hard to care about much of the little stuff. And it’s that aura that women get attracted to, that defines the essential beingness of an Alpha. The ultimate purpose of Game is to bring the man to the point where he starts to grasp this.

    This is why women are attracted to street thugs, who have decided that they would rather LIVE for a few short years as MEN, getting pussy when they want it and getting respect from whom they meet, than to EXIST for a long life as some McDonalds burger flipper who may be safe, but will never get much in the way of pussy. He is operating according to the same worldview as the classic nobleman. The “not give a shit” laid-back attitude is a symptom of having made the big decision, and acts as a signal of who the guy is.

    And THIS is what triggers the genetic tingle of the women. The guy who is willing to dispense with all safety, if it means he gets all the pussy he wants.

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  157. on August 5, 2010 at 9:42 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””Andrew S.
    My best bet is to take my rather large bank account, move to some Asian country and start my own harem. Of course my lack of motivation to do anything these days that would lead to a better life probably does make me omega. But then what does 2 millions dollars, and the fact that I can get easy hookups when I TRY, with slutty 4′s and some 5′s make me??””””””’

    Dude you make me ill.

    Come see me I will show you how to spend that shit.

    I feel like dirty rotten scoundrels man when the dude was like.

    Fortunatly I have taste and style and that is a commodity that people like. Or some shit.

    I don’t not swear but I do know how to meet bitches and have a good time.

    God Dam dude. You make me want to blow my fucking brains out.

    Bring 25 g’s and I will show you how to live like god intended you to.

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  158. Michael, I’ve long wondered at the Cads v. Dads thing, and I think my idea is similar:

    Women are parasites on society. They contribute only 1% but reap 80-90% of its benefits. As such, they have an interest in keeping society going, but contributing little. Hence they feel they must promote the idea of men being nice guys (i.e. betas) in order to keep society going, since betas are what keeps society rolling along. These are the “dads.”

    Cads, however, are just like women, in that they are non-contributing parasites, freely living off betas’ bounty. They are, in effect, more efficient in using their resources, exploiting others while remaining unsullied.

    So, in cads, women see: 1) something just like them—a parasite (and women love themselves so); and 2) something thrifty enough to get someone else to do their life’s work for them (creating wealth, raising their children).

    I think this explains why women are whores for cads.

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  159. on August 5, 2010 at 9:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””Lily
    @Gunny
    Sure. Agreed with that.
    I can also make a guy wealthier, but you have to be sensitive how you do it, you don’t want to demasculate him. The Player probably has an extra million because of some help I gave him, but I wouldn’t in a million years point it out to him.

    @Andrew
    Sorry to hear that. But given you’re describing women in terms of looks numbers and don’t think the 4s and 5s are good enough for you, depends what you look like. If you’re say a 2, having 2 million dollars doesn’t exactly entitle you to 8-10ss on money alone. Unless it was 200 million, and let’s say women attracted to you for 200 million instead of 2 million wouldn’t be after you for scintillating personality.
    ”””””””
    You could make a wealthy guy wealthier.
    I am saying an asian chick can take a guy with 2 pennies and make him wealthy.

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  160. Speaking of which, please rip this whore to shreds:

    http://singlegirlblogging.wordpress.com/

    She is such a fucking hilarious stereotype of whorish women in America that, if she’s not a fake, is in sorely need of a beatdown by you. I think it would chase the cum-encrusted little harlot off the interwebs.

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  161. @Andrew
    If you really feel like that, then get out of the States, at least for a year or so. See how you feel after that. Maybe try somewhere like Italy.

    I’m not convinced about Asian countries. Sure, if you have some dollars you can get the best looking women you want, but *if* part of the objection to American women is they are golddiggers, then don’t move to Asia. The amount of money required is different, that’s all.

    At least in Thailand, Malaysia and the Philippines ( I can’t speak for Indonesia where gunny is based), the high or middle class girls don’t get involved seriously with foreigners, the women that that do are sadly in it for money.

    You may of course luck out like gunny but I suspect that he’s the exception rather than the rule.

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  162. Andrew, a lot of guys in the States’ motivation problem is nutritional.

    Spend more time in the sun in case you’re lacking D-3 and eat more meat, fish, and vegetables. Remove bread, white sugar, and soy from your diet completely.

    Doug can give you the man specific information.

    Or hell, just go already. When you get to Asia, they’ll fix you up.

    Then again, looking truly healthy and having your natural maximum testosterone might fix your issues even if you don’t move.

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  163. @gunslingergregi

    Here is my point though an asian woman can turn a fucking loser into a wealthy dude because they already know how to do it. They can actually advise the dude on that shit.

    You got it, brother.

    A man who has a woman who makes him feel like a man, can devote all his energy towards success. This translates into higher wealth.

    A man whose woman spends her time fucking with his head, and engaging him in countless stupid head games, and not keeping him sexually satisfied — well, he’s not going to have as much energy focused on getting more wealth.

    Asian women are smart enough to understand this in their genes. Their culture has been through thousands of years where the women who help their men succeed do well, and the women who cripple their men, starve.

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  164. “This is why women are attracted to street thugs, who have decided that they would rather LIVE for a few short years as MEN”

    Michael – what you say is right. It is also one of the bleakest posts I’ve ever read. We’re living in hell if those buffoons are what a lot of women aspire to.

    The sexual revolution seems to have had one main result: To permit a hell of a lot of women to follow their own worst instincts.

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  165. @Lily

    “They assume all men who give them the time of day want to bang them. Unreal.”
    <<>>>

    Lily, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Yeah, I know it’s dumb to say “Women like nice men.” No kidding.

    But you’re making a straw man argument here, because everyone with a clue about “Game” knows men and women look for different things, especially in the EARLY stages of the interaction.

    For their part, men value physical looks head and shoulders above all other factors. Hence, she needs to be pretty.

    A man will bang a hot girl who isn’t nice to him, but he will use such a girl like a Kleenex and have zero respect for her. Assuming, of course, he isn’t a beta who doesn’t respect himself.

    Lily wrote: <<>

    Sure, in the first 3 seconds of laying eyes on a girl, it’s hard to tell if she’s going to be nice to you, but this capacity (or lack thereof) becomes evident in the VERY early innings to a man who’s paying attention.

    Men want their girls who are going to be more than FBs TO BE NICE TO THEM. Really. It’s that intuitive.

    Again, if he just wants the lay and he likes the sport of verbally jousting with a bitch (oops, sorry, I meant to say
    “a challenge”) then sure, he’ll sleep with her. He does this all the time.

    Lily wrote: <<>>

    LMAO!! Oh, this one was a howler. Please tell me this was a joke that went over my head.

    So lemme get this straight, Joe Sixpack goes to a party….

    Joe sees a girl, Jane, who….

    1) is physically attractive to Joe. Check.

    2) is feminine. Check.

    3) is sweet (kind) to Joe. Check.

    But, in Lily’s world, this is not enough to pique Joe’s interest in Jane. This won’t get Joe “interested” in Jane. Unbelievable. I guess Joe is as neurotic as Woody Allen.

    Lily wrote <<>>

    Lily, you don’t know which way is up. I have yet to meet a man who won’t be attracted to a hot, sweet, feminine girl just because she likes him so much she “loses control” around him. What does losing control mean to you, projectile vomiting?

    One of the more sage things I’ve heard from a man who’s been around the block is when he said “You know the kind of girls I like? I like girls who like ME.” (of course, I should point out that he was assuming a threshold level of physical attractiveness in said girls…the 52 year-old cougar who likes him doesn’t count)

    “Most men would take on the Red Army for a girl who is pretty, understands she’s a girl, and is….wait for it…. KIND to him.”
    Lily wrote <<>>

    Oh, I get it, don’t be a bitch, just take on some bitchy traits. That makes all the difference. LOL….again, this is a case of a woman making a common mistake: projecting what attracts THEM onto MEN.

    Asshole (or “bitch”) game is death for women…unless the man is just going for a quick lay, in which case he will hate fuck her with no lube. You know why? Men prefer feminine girls.

    Only men with no self-respect, too much spare time, or too much BETA would tolerate such nonsense.

    Who was the ghostwriter of that book, this Hax cunt?

    <<>>

    Attraction isn’t a choice, Lily. I’m using the “pretty” prerequisite as a genteel proxy for “gives-the-man-a-boner.”

    If the chick does that for him, and is sweet and feminine, he will adore her if he’s a normal man. If he’s neurotic, a la Woody Allen in Annie Hall, (“I wouldn’t belong to a club that would have me as a member”) then yeah, he might despise this hot, sweet, feminine girl who is into him.

    But this would be one neurotic man.

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  166. @Michael
    “Asian women are smart enough to understand this in their genes. Their culture has been through thousands of years where the women who help their men succeed do well, and the women who cripple their men, starve.”
    Not sure about lumping all Asian cultures together, but you have a very good point. Women should help their men succeed in life.

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  167. Lily, I have to disagree about Thailand and the Phillipines. Those are two countries where the culture may be a bit different about how women fall into romantic love, but when they do it is real…sometimes too real.

    There are gold diggers and then there are women who view a man’s income and status as part of his “alpha cred”. The latter are not to be trifled with. A man does so at his own peril.

    …but if a guy’s intentions are honorable, not necessarily marriage but a respectful whatever, then he has nothing to worry about. He just has to remember the old Buddhist saying that no matter where you go, there you are.

    If he doesn’t have good chick management skills, he’s screwed. So he should work on that.

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  168. on August 5, 2010 at 9:59 pm greatbooksformen

    ^^^^^^

    the good lord says he can get me out of dis mess, but he’s pretty you’re your fucked. LZOZLZOZOZOOZOZLZOZOOZOZZOZZLZOZOL!!!

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  169. Lilly, I think 4’s and 5’s are good enough for a casual fuck, at least here in America. But as far as a relationship, nope, not good enough for me. Based on looks alone, even with my scintillating personailty I have never had much trouble getting laid.

    And if you are going to start calling people out, well, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind posting your pic?? I mean you seem to think pretty highly of yourself, lets get a good look at you shall we??

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  170. @Cap’n Bob

    The sexual revolution seems to have had one main result: To permit a hell of a lot of women to follow their own worst instincts.

    For thousands of years, most young women were protected from their worst instincts by their parents, who picked out who was going to get access to their little girl’s pussy, and making sure he would be a good supporter and good father. Girls didn’t generally need to evolve good judgment in that area.

    We are reaping the consequences of suddenly abandoning that system.

    And on that note, I bid all good night. This has been a great thread and I’ve enjoyed chatting with you all.

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  171. @Nicole
    Well, I guess we will have to disagree about women in Thailand and Philippines and marriage where foreigners are concerned. From what I’ve read and seen personally in these countries, middle and upper class women in general (i.e. at least 90%) do not marry foreign men.

    And when women do marry expats, the divorce rates are very high, as an example have a look at this link
    http://www.divorcethailand.com/relationship-statistics-in-thailand.html

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  172. Andrew, I’m not a guy, but I have guy friends. They say, “You are what you shag.”

    Maybe it would make you feel better about yourself if you stopped dumping sperm in women you feel are beneath you.

    It’s not doing anything good for you or for them.

    I’ve been on the other side of relationships with guys who would normally be within my league, but who, because of their culture, didn’t think I was good enough for a “serious relationship” because of my ethnicity. I wished the earth would open up and swallow me, and had to tell myself every morning when I woke up for months, why I should keep breathing.

    So really, if you think you’re aiming low, please spare those girls your paranecrophillic touch. In a way that you probably don’t know, you’re driving them one step closer to a living or actual death.

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  173. @Andrew
    “Lilly, I think 4′s and 5′s are good enough for a casual fuck, at least here in America. But as far as a relationship, nope, not good enough for me. Based on looks alone, even with my scintillating personailty I have never had much trouble getting laid.”
    Well if that is the case, I don’t see what your issue is.

    Calling people out? Where did I do that? Please note I said scintillating personality as a general term, as opposed to say ‘your’ scintillating personality.

    I’m not sure where I said I thought pretty highly of myself (was it where I said I would play video games online with boys, but not for money?), but I wouldn’t post photos of myself online. Would you?

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  174. Lily, the divorce rates are high for any intercultural marriages. That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t try.

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  175. Asia isn’t the promised land. Why it works for white (and some black) guys is because we’re foreigners.

    And Northeast Asia (Korea, Japan, most of China) and Southeast Asia (Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia) are totally different. Korea and Japan are very western in their outlook, moreso as time goes on; women there are entitled, too, and there’s no money-grubber and status-whore like a Korean one.

    The difference: Everything is more raw and they have no problem with double-standards (the concept of face). So long as you maintain face, ethics are irrelevant.

    So a woman can fuck any guy she wants. *Marriage* is an entirely different prospect. Then, the STATUS of the man is usually 100% of whatever the woman’s status will be: so if she doesn’t marry as high up as she can, she’s dooming herself to penury and social ostracism.

    Even in the Korean army, the women of lower-ranking officers have to kowtow (essentially) and pay “respect” to the women of higher-ranking officers. That’s more raw, but that’s also how it works.

    Rank and status in Korea are *EVERYTHING*. It defines absolutely everything about how you live, work, and play. Who gets holidays; who gets raises; who gets jobs; who gets into school.

    The Korean who breaks this often has to break it wholesale, smash him or herself out of the system, and be a total outlier – of course, these can do well (Samulnori, the musical band that reinvents traditional Korean music, comes to mind- bizzarro macho characters).

    But the way status works there isn’t the same as in Japan, where men for marriage are in severely short supply and women are going through their own feminist revolution (not the same as here, BTW), and in China, “marxist” feminism is in a titanic struggle with raw market capitalism and “sexual marketplace” re-establishment.

    China is an interesting case. Try getting divorced there. Want unfair? Have gangsters set on you by your ex-wife’s family and have the courts hand over everything you have or ever will have to her. You think the American system is unfair.

    Try China.

    So, … North Asia is not the same as South Asia.

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  176. @Nicole
    “I’ve been on the other side of relationships with guys who would normally be within my league, but who, because of their culture, didn’t think I was good enough for a “serious relationship” because of my ethnicity.”
    😦

    @Michael
    Nice chatting to you. Off to bed myself. x

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  177. @lilly

    that’s crazy. the 1 – 10 scale, if it has any meaning, is a bell curve. the idea a 9 can easily bed a 10 is like saying a 5 can easily bed an 8. please note the adverb.

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  178. “So, … North Asia is not the same as South Asia”

    There are some horror stories from South East Asia too.

    Moral of the story is – don’t travel half the world just to get a woman. You can get good ones at home, with a little game.

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  179. on August 5, 2010 at 10:19 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’If you’re say a 2, having 2 million dollars doesn’t exactly entitle you to 8-10ss on money alone. ”””’

    Of course it fucking does lol

    There has to be more than 7 million eight to tens in the world which is the number of millionaires.

    ””””Michael
    I had an observation many years ago, which I want to bounce off the crowd here.

    The defining characteristic of a slave is that he’s decided that life, on whatever terms, is better than death. The defining characteristic of a nobleman (and I’m talking classic nobleman rather than today’s descendant of inherited wealth and title) is that he’s made the decision that there are some lives that are not worth living — that he is willing to die, and he’s willing to kill, rather than live under the arbitrary power of another.

    For somebody who has decided he would rather live a short life as a nobleman, than a long life as a slave, it’s hard to care about much of the little stuff. And it’s that aura that women get attracted to, that defines the essential beingness of an Alpha. The ultimate purpose of Game is to bring the man to the point where he starts to grasp this.

    This is why women are attracted to street thugs, who have decided that they would rather LIVE for a few short years as MEN, getting pussy when they want it and getting respect from whom they meet, than to EXIST for a long life as some McDonalds burger flipper who may be safe, but will never get much in the way of pussy. He is operating according to the same worldview as the classic nobleman. The “not give a shit” laid-back attitude is a symptom of having made the big decision, and acts as a signal of who the guy is.

    And THIS is what triggers the genetic tingle of the women. The guy who is willing to dispense with all safety, if it means he gets all the pussy he wants.
    ””””””
    Michael nice way of writing and summarizing this shit. Your kicking knowlege like it was free.

    But when you can combine the two.

    The noble aspect of making that descision.

    Plus aquiring noble wealth then you will be unstoppable.

    Using a few key noble traits like truth and honesty, determination, ability to be diferent than others because you are noble.

    Therefore you will be honest with yourself that drug dealing is a dead end and making loot working 84 hours a week at mcdonalds will eventually yield you unlimited pussy.

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  180. @ahe
    Supply and demand, my friend.

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  181. Having lived in Asia for a while I must say that although the goldigger aspect is correct for many, you get a lot more with much less gold. Meaning a guy with a decent job (say 45k a year) who is not obese and fugly can get a very pretty and caring girlfriend in places like Thailand, Korea, and Phillipines. Yes maybe the girl you’re with may start out with some dudes on the side (Thai girls are famous for this- many bf’s overseas sending them money), but if they sense you will get them the hell out of the massage parlor they will usually stay true.

    As far as banging is concerned, white men in Asia or Latin America do very well.

    To the Omega: Get a tan, lift weights, go paleo. Go to Asia and bang tons of chicks. After a year or so, maybe see if you can find one to be in an LTR with. Be sensitive to gold-diggers and know how to look for signs.

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  182. on August 5, 2010 at 10:26 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””on August 5, 2010 at 9:50 pm Michael
    @gunslingergregi

    Here is my point though an asian woman can turn a fucking loser into a wealthy dude because they already know how to do it. They can actually advise the dude on that shit.

    You got it, brother.

    A man who has a woman who makes him feel like a man, can devote all his energy towards success. This translates into higher wealth.

    A man whose woman spends her time fucking with his head, and engaging him in countless stupid head games, and not keeping him sexually satisfied — well, he’s not going to have as much energy focused on getting more wealth.

    Asian women are smart enough to understand this in their genes. Their culture has been through thousands of years where the women who help their men succeed do well, and the women who cripple their men, starve.

    ”””””””””

    OMG holy fuck
    That is it.
    That is the reason.
    There is no welfare the men and woman have to work together.
    There are no lawyers
    The men and woman have to work it out.
    My head is on fire revelation time.
    holy fuck.
    That is fucking it.

    ”””””Asian women are smart enough to understand this in their genes. Their culture has been through thousands of years where the women who help their men succeed do well, and the women who cripple their men, starve.”””””””

    Same goes for family sticking together too.
    That is it a bitch can stave on the street.
    So can a guy.
    It is actually equal.
    It is the way we are supposed to live without government intervention.
    And people are just living there fucking lives.

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  183. @Cap’n Bob
    There are some horror stories from South East Asia too.

    Moral of the story is – don’t travel half the world just to get a woman. You can get good ones at home, with a little game.

    But the girls are just much hotter in Asia. Sorry: The UK, US: Girls in Korea and Japan, for sure, and actually China, as well, are hotter. Much. There’s no fatness and if you’re seen as a valuable foreigner, you have your pick of hot women. Hotter and younger and, frankly, easier to deal with.

    Now, if you want to get *Married*, there are other troubles – but none of them insurmountable.

    The Japanese-Foreigner marriages seem to go best.

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  184. There should be a clarification of the 1-10 scale for men by women who love men and aren’t as weird as me.

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  185. “So, … North Asia is not the same as South Asia”

    Also true. If you’re looking for romance, I’d say do North Asia. White men are still a commodity there but there is much less poverty. You are more likely to be a status symbol/novelty and be in a long term monogamous relationship (lots of banging if you want it too). In SE Asia you risk being the “Ticket out of poverty” and lots of ladies are hedging their bets on more than one White Horse.

    My experience was in Korea mostly.

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  186. “But the girls are just much hotter in Asia. Sorry: The UK, US: Girls in Korea and Japan, for sure, and actually China, as well, are hotter. ”

    Agreed. But imagine if 90% of American/English women were not fat or obese. A huge mix of European ancestry in a wealthy country- Those are some nice odds.

    It is actually a little depressing once you think about it. So many beautiful faces….for nothing.

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  187. Wow Lilly, you are going to go the Asian women are gold diggers route huh? You wouldn’t happen to be Caucasian would you??

    I understand where you are coming from, I really do. The hatred for Asian women has been programmed into you by the sisterhood. I don’t blame you, I don’t. But you haven’t a fucking clue about what I could attract in Asia. And I’m telling you now, whether your dumbass feminist beliefs want to believe it or not, I could get top of the line prime choice. If I even tried here in the states I could probably get a 7 or 8 to commit.

    I have just given up here and am in the midst of throwing a never ending pitty party because of what I have been through. And If you are right about Asia and if I ever find the strenghth to get off my ass and live my life, I will be more than willing to tell you how right you are. But I highly doubt it. But of course I need to stop the never ending cycle of douchebag misery I am currently in to ever piss off some feminists and go live it up in Asia.

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  188. @Dearm Puppy,
    Agreed. But imagine if 90% of American/English women were not fat or obese. A huge mix of European ancestry in a wealthy country- Those are some nice odds.

    It is actually a little depressing once you think about it. So many beautiful faces….for nothing.

    It’s so sad. Really.

    What a waste.

    A Korean guy told me that once.

    “Why don’t Western women look like they do on TV? Korean women do.”

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  189. Does anyone know where I can find a date? I have an STD (Herpes) and it is kind of embarrassing… John B.

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  190. Vincent-

    “Make any generalization that holds for 95% of a group and I’ll bet you any girl you’re talking to will chime in with an example of someone from the other 5% to “prove” that you’re wrong. It’s practically a law of nature. If girls could generalize, they would have discovered useful things like physics and engineering. They were too busy snowflaking.”

    –I really don’t want to argue with you because most males around here don’t take kindly to anyone disagreeing with them, and you especially, but your numbers are off. I would not have a problem with or bring up any outliers if the percentage was a genuine 95% majority. This is simply not the case. The majorities of which you speak so causally maintain themselves in the 60 to 70th percentiles. Yes, still majorities, but a much larger grouping of outliers exist. Let’s talk straight up facts and you still hold the hand, as in, your theories hold. But I am also interested in acknowledging the other 30-40th percentiles of various exceptions. Reason being: I seek to study and replicate them if possible– to bring balance back. It is not a personal argument for me as a woman, it is one of society, and like I said over at yours–you are being irresponsible and misleading with your numbers.

    Also, there is beauty in snowflaking. If a woman can snowflake (an ability you do not have), she can also snowflake a man. When she believes in him, she is loyal and devoted to him. Don’t knock that ability, it is you as a man who benefits. It’s to what degree and what use she exercises this skill that should be judged/assessed. Anything abused by the stupid is inevitably bastardized.

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  191. “But the girls are just much hotter in Asia. ”

    Gorbachev, I’m not going to disagree with you there. South asians do age rapidly, though. By 40, you’re talking Mama-san.

    That said, it would appealing to find a place where feminism has yet to happen.

    I hear that Afghan and Somalian women are the loveliest in the world. And given the appalling pastimes and practices of their menfolk, I think they would welcome a beta.

    Provided he converted to Islam, I suppose.

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  192. @GBFM: Why do you never mention the Frankfurt School and cultural marxism in any of your rants? Hasn’t cultural marxism as formulated by the Frankfurt school had the most direct effect on western culture and civilization? After all, heightened race and sex consciousness can be traced back to the Frankfurt school, right?

    The Frankfurt school decided on this tack when they found the proletariat in western europe too satisfied with their lot to throw in with a bunch of hare-brained utopian intellectuals.

    If you are trying to raise the consciousness of the readers here shouldn’t you mention the Frankfurt school? Heaven forbid that any of the readers here mention the Fed/debasement of the currency as the reason for the decline or conventional morality in polite company – their foes will retort “don’t you know you dolt that cultural marxism is the reason for the decline of conventional morality”?

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  193. luvsic-

    “Very good point, and true also of the most alpha of men. They have greater margin for error, so they can even white knight when they please, w/o any comeuppance.”

    –very true. Men that can afford any obvious going against any accepted grain have room to play and be. Rules become less defined because of him either being an originator of them and having grown above them, or him not playing by them simply because they have become outdated/insufficient and flexibility is needed.

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  194. @Andrew S.

    Wow Lilly, you are going to go the Asian women are gold diggers route huh? You wouldn’t happen to be Caucasian would you??

    I don’t think Lily is guilty of this. But lots of feminists are.

    The truth: Feminists hate beauty or attractiveness in other women. It’s a movement of unattractive women who want more power, all other comers be damned (that includes society).

    So when men do things like go to Asia and have the pick of the most beautiful, interesting women there – it drives semi-attractive women here insane.

    I have NEVER seen hate-ons or snide commentary about men like I’ve seen when an attractive or otherwise interesting guy is with an Asian woman. All from white women. Reminds me of black women angry at their men being stolen.

    Seriously, comments like: Asian girls, well, it’s just because they’re so skinny, they’re sickly. Like they’re emaciated. Like they’re small. They have no figures.

    Um, … I lived in Asia. Those “skinny, emaciated Asian girls (not women)” have fucking awesome figures. Some of them are crazily well-endowed. Curvy and shapely and they *STAY* that way.

    Basically, these American harpies are saying: These Asian girls are 2x more attractive than we are, if not more, and I HATE IT.

    Not only that, they’re not as Feminist-minded, so we should export our poison to them ASAP.

    The fact that virtually any Caucasian guy from a Western country can move to Asia and have his choice of much hotter women than he’d ever otherwise be able to get (same seems to go in Eastern Europe, though to a lesser extent, from what people say), seems to piss American women off to no end.

    Whenever I see an Asian woman with an American guy, I’m usually privy to snide commentary.

    The one thing the Western women don’t want to admit:

    They’re fat. Fat, fat, fat, fat, fat.

    I don’t get it, I just don’t: the self-denial is so perverse, the hamster-wheel is spinning so fast, I don’t understand why the spinning wheels don’t start fires spontaneously.

    The West is fat. Go to Asia and take a look. The west is fat, lazy and disgusting.

    Walk in Gangnam, in the heart of Seoul, at night. Virtually *Every Single Woman* is a knockout by comparison. It’s torture for the eyes. You can safely pick almost any woman and you’d be very happy going home with her. Go to a club or bar, and the choice is baffling. Sarge a room? Find a semi-permanent GF? How the hell do you choose? After being here, it’s head-shaking.

    Do the same in any American city. You’d be lucky to find 10% of them attractive (in the same way).

    And these American women just have a grossly exaggerated sense of their own attractiveness. Really, it’s to laugh. Women who might, if they weren’t obese, be a “6” or “7” are effectively 4-5, and think they should be on the cover of Maxim.

    Forget “the west”, even : Try FRANCE. Go there, sample. Take a vacation even in Vancouver, where the women just walking on the street are something else.

    Come back here, …

    Weep.

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  195. If I could, I would set the man who invented moderation on wordpress on fire.

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  196. on August 5, 2010 at 10:49 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””on August 5, 2010 at 10:17 pm Cap’n Bob
    “So, … North Asia is not the same as South Asia”

    There are some horror stories from South East Asia too.

    Moral of the story is – don’t travel half the world just to get a woman. You can get good ones at home, with a little game.
    ”””’
    Horror story of my uncle asian woman left him with kids and never came back.

    He went and got another asian and been with her for like 25 30 years still happily married.

    the horror.

    He was one who I looked at as most happily married dude and had coolest house.
    But yea korean chicks.

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  197. Come on Gorb, I have high standards for beauty and I see beautiful women all the time in the US. There are just less concentrated puddles of them. Unless you’re in L.A. or NYC. Miami has a lot walking the streets too. –but you all know this.

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  198. on August 5, 2010 at 10:53 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””To the Omega: Get a tan, lift weights, go paleo. Go to Asia and bang tons of chicks. After a year or so, maybe see if you can find one to be in an LTR with. Be sensitive to gold-diggers and know how to look for signs.”””
    Wrong stay exactly as you look now and still get a chick to fall in love with you in asia.

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  199. Wow, you got hatred for Asian women from that. Hardly. For a start, I would never lump all Asian women together which is why I specifically named countries. I know quitea bit about those countries.

    @ Nicole
    I was thinking about a list today, I love men. The hard part is thinking of guys in the truly public domain (otherwise giving away too much personal info).

    Ok really gtg now players ‘home’ and threatening to spank me if I don’t get off my phone.

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  200. on August 5, 2010 at 10:57 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””Michael
    @Cap’n Bob

    The sexual revolution seems to have had one main result: To permit a hell of a lot of women to follow their own worst instincts.

    For thousands of years, most young women were protected from their worst instincts by their parents, who picked out who was going to get access to their little girl’s pussy, and making sure he would be a good supporter and good father. Girls didn’t generally need to evolve good judgment in that area.

    We are reaping the consequences of suddenly abandoning that system.

    And on that note, I bid all good night. This has been a great thread and I’ve enjoyed chatting with you all.
    ”””””””””

    Thanks bro and yea I will be raising my family in the country I am in not us fuck that hud bullshit.

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  201. on August 5, 2010 at 11:08 pm gunslingergregi

    But yea specific place I am at is for families not players. I don’t run around trying to pick up chicks in my area this is where I will raise a family. I may fuck hos from the city. But this is my home sweet home.

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  202. Lily,

    Upper classes in any country are in-bred snobs. Paris is not going to marry a black or Hispanic guy nor would she even think about marring a somewhat rich white guy from America or Europe. Rich marry rich within their own circle and it doesn’t matter what country they are from.

    I know two very hot 26 year old upper class Thai girls here in China that came to study Chinese and are desperately in love to (in this case) with two American guys. They are both of Chinese decent (hence, the ruling class) and really can’t take their Bo’s back to Thailand because of race, class and wealth but mostly class and wealth.

    Most upper class Thais are educated in international schools, speak English and are very western in their outlook. They are really nice snobs. Some are very interested in foreign guys but to marry one is almost impossible.

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  203. Bhetti-

    …”They really crave cock… ”

    “They’ve got to get some meat in them somehow.”

    –rat-a-tat-tat. Good one!

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  204. on August 5, 2010 at 11:25 pm gunslingergregi

    You millionaire dudes are fucking killing me for real.

    I think I am just gonna grab another 100k and then chill lol

    I guess I don’t need big bucks to have all the woman I can handle.

    Game is worth fucking billions.

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  205. Gorb, I have no interest in living in America. I have just been through to much shit and am now ready to move on. So I guess I’ll stop beating around the bush.

    My mother shot and killed my father and then killed herself. This sent me into a downward spiral, but it doesn’t end there. I went to the local mental health center to try and get help, and am not making this up, I developed Tardive Dyskinesia in my neck due to a drug I was prescribed. The doctor not only kept me on this drug while I was complaining about having movement problems, but he actually increased the dosage of the drug. So finally I get off the drug and this other quack prescribes a drug called Clozaril to try and combat the tardive. Well, all this drug does is cause me to gain about 100 lbs. So, to make a long story short, thank God for the Cleveland Clinic.

    Anyways, I don’t expect to find Shangri-La in Asia, but feminism killed my father (yes, mom was pretty hardcore and didn’t take very well to dads cheating) and it has done nothing but make my life pretty shitty. Whatever feminists say about Asia, and some of it may have a nugget of truth to it, at the very least it would be nice to live somewhere this flawed ideology hasn’t taken hold.

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  206. @Gorbahav

    Forget “the west”, even : Try FRANCE. Go there, sample. Take a vacation even in Vancouver, where the women just walking on the street are something else.

    Come back here, …

    Weep.”

    I live in vancouver been ,here 11 years it is plain jane central they are not somethiing else, mediocrity is about right and even that is a compliment

    go to miami beach, santa monica, la, brazil, paris, uk ( yes the uk), stockholm, warsaw, krakow, moscow, slovenia, estonia, sydney, brisbane, the carribeans, new york city, austrin, rome, vegas, fuc-k….tacoma, hawaii…

    then go back…go straight to robson street. those seemingly hot girls are now plain menonnites to you. you’re in a matrix right now like i was i used to think vancouver women are so hot. until i started making a lot of money and travelling around the world. vancouver women are not ugly. they are just average. in miami beach, vancouver women look good enough to work for mcdonalds, maybe at the back coz the hot puerto ricans will take the cashier job. again, not ugly at all, just plain.

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  207. “Hitler had the right idea. He was just an underachiever” — Bill Hicks

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  208. on August 6, 2010 at 12:17 am gunslingergregi

    ””””Anyways, I don’t expect to find Shangri-La in Asia, but feminism killed my father (yes, mom was pretty hardcore and didn’t take very well to dads cheating) and it has done nothing but make my life pretty shitty. Whatever feminists say about Asia, and some of it may have a nugget of truth to it, at the very least it would be nice to live somewhere this flawed ideology hasn’t taken hold.”””””

    How do you think feminism killed him?

    Your mom killed him.

    But woman been doing that for a long time.

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  209. I used to live in Austin. It is State Government/University/Tech(Dell, etc) kind of town. Everyone walks or bikes every where. Fatness is anathematized. College girls look like they were meant to look. Old people run every day and lift weights.
    And get this: There is a unisex standard for dress in Austin City pools. Chicks go topless if they feel like it and this has been true for like a 100 years.
    Austin was settled by German and Czech political refugees in the 19th century. There never were any Baptists allowed in. And the hill country there is extremely attractive, for most of the year, but in the springtime it can drive strong men insane with esthetic overload. It is drop-dead gorgeous.

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  210. Lily,

    You use a Thai divorce stat as an example. Sorry that’s bull.

    A solid 80-90% of the farang/thai rate would be bar girls. Idiot guys come over and fall for the first hot, tight body Thai bar girl they find. They lose their money, their mind and eventually their “true love”. And when his true love figures out he doesn’t have any more money — divorce.

    Most of these guys are beta who think they have gone to heaven. They hear the stories, they are warned but it doesn’t matter because their true love is different. What they don’t realize is that they are up against, hot bodied, alpha Essan girls who can physically move (it’s been scientifically proven) men with a smile and twinkle in their eyes. They are happy go lucky tigers that eat men alive.

    There are many, many happy mixed couples in Thailand. Often this scenario: 25 to 35 year old Thai woman is alone and left with a couple kids to take care of because her Thai husband decided he had enough of the responsibility and just left, moved to another town without a word. She doesn’t turn into a bar girl, ecks out a living in a regular job and living with family or friends.

    Eventually, mutual friends hook them up and everyone is extremely happy. She’s got a man, may or may not be rich but rich enough. She will be pretty much be set up. Her kids will have everything they need and sometimes a lot more. She may not speak that much English or French or German but give her six months and she will. He gets a pretty, caring Thai woman that although has had a couple kids has a great body. She’s fiercely loyal. Usually, a good cook.

    Of course, there are some downsides especially when it comes to the family (that darn ox keeps dying) but nothing major. Nothing is perfect but it sure seems like I’ve seen a lot of happy people and why not, it’s a mutually beneficial relationship.

    It’s the beta deal of the century. It’s gold.

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  211. on August 6, 2010 at 12:25 am Cannon's Canon

    me,

    how dare you suggest that there is some part of the globe that gorbachev does not enjoy a zen-like omnipresent mastery over! perhaps it is this very vancouver-brand cheekiness that he yearns for.

    and you told me new york wasn’t in your travel plans…

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  212. I should add. There is a lot of scum foreigners that go to Thailand but I mostly avoid those areas and see a different side that a traveler wouldn’t notice.

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  213. The world needs more man-talk

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  214. on August 6, 2010 at 12:46 am gunslingergregi

    Shit al’thor even the scummiest thai bitches from thailand change mens lives for better.
    So yea that should tell ya somethin eh.
    But yea dudes who were players in the states settling down with their first thai chick and starting family yea a hooker.

    The shittiest of what your supposed to assume thai chick is better for an american dude than an american woman. lol

    I would consider thai chicks doing gods work baby.

    Jesus said love one another as I have loved you right.

    Well figure dude had 12 men who believed he was the son of god.

    You can’t tell me he didn’t have mass woman all up on it.

    So yea then at end the hooker is there.

    So out of all the woman that could of been at the cross the former whore was there. Yea thats right jesus knew how to choose his woman.

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  215. Rum,

    i live in austin but chateau would say it is too swpl. he’d rather live in the inner city of america and ask where all the white people are. then, like the feminists, he makes the personal political and argues society is to blame for his own disappointments.

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  216. Michael

    What do women find attractive?

    Real Estate

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  217. to paraphrase and update john lennon from 40 years ago: man is nigger of the world.

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  218. Actually, topless appears to be legal everywhere in Texas:

    —–According to the Texas civil code, it is illegal to expose one’s genitals. Breasts do not meet the legal definition of genitals. Females can go topless anywhere in Texas and not be charged with a violation of state civil code. However, cities and counties may have a law aimed at keeping breasts covered. Call your local DA for more info.——

    So it appears that the Germans and Czechs of centuries ago were frolicking topless all over Texas. It’s a fun fact that I’ve never heard before…nice. Kind of changes your whole view of the wild west.

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  219. @ream Puppy

    You’re female?

    Yes, I’m a middle-aged mother of two who’s been married over 20 years.

    I met my husband and married fairly young. I am pretty and my husband is handsome. In 15-20 years I will not be pretty, but he will most likely be handsome

    I’m not sure that’s true. Most people find my husband and me to be a good-looking couple. We are about the same age, but I’ve aged better than he has with many people thinking I’m 10-15 years younger than I actually am. He looks distinguished, but not young. You two may age similarly.

    and I am concerned. He is not shallow…but he is male. We have a very strong bond. Deeply in love. What do I do to keep him, and more importantly keep him happy and interested? What did you do?

    Several of the guys have answered your question. One of the guys has admitted on another thread to cheating on his wife, so you may want to consider that in how you take his answer.

    I’m not convinced that looks are the most important thing here. I could give you some beauty tips to help you look good at 50, but I think that the most important thing I did was to pick a good, emotionally mature guy who wanted to commit and was willing to put work into the marriage. That was gold. I could have had a facelift and dieted down to my teenage weight and still have had to deal with an SOB or a cheater. Some men just want variety and would cheat on a goddess. Go read some Hollywood gossip and see. Some of the most beautiful women in the world are married to bastards.

    If you’ve picked a good guy, then you really don’t have to worry over your looks the way it sounds like you are. Obviously, you want to do some maintenance, but you don’t need to look 20 at 50 or weigh what you did on your wedding day. Most older women look horrible if they are too thin. Look at some of the aging actresses–skinny bodies with gaunt faces. not good. A good guy will tolerate the normal weight gain that comes with aging, just like a good woman will tolerate baldness. I wouldn’t blimp up, but normally is not a big deal.

    The most important thing that you actually have control of is to treat your husband well and give him some appreciation and respect. The men here have more than covered that, some ad nauseum. I’d add though that it’s JUST AS important that you get all that back from your husband though. Many of the men here are saying that their wives know not to mess with them, but no one really loves a doormat. A man also needs to know that a woman’s love is not unconditional. (Only children deserve unconditional love.) He needs to know and respect your boundaries too. If it’s really a two way street and your husband really does love and respect you, he won’t abandon you for aging.

    But if he IS the sort of man who does abandon you for aging, you won’t have lost much.

    As to your question about keeping sex going, that takes on a life of its own in a good marriage. If it’s good now, it will probably continue to be good. However, there can be some lulls as a result of motherhood or menopause. These lulls generally correct themselves with time and patience.

    One thing I have found is that most things in a marriage run in cycles. There are bad times and good times. If you are patient, you know that the bad will pass. In the long run, it’s best to worry about the quality of the relationship, the rest falls into place.

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  220. Thor

    You are right, sort of. OTOH, I grew up in Texas and my family has been here for a long, long time. But certain themes (memes) resonate. Always.
    The core instinct of any old time Texian comes down to this: “If you are looking for anarchy, brother, you have come to the wrong shop.”
    Far too much chaos and frenzied bloodshed has been enacted around here.
    Austin is … Austin

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  221. @Nicole @ 9:58

    If either of my sons brought home a girl in need of a green card, I’d be worried. Country of origin, not an issue.

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  222. Guns,

    I tend to agree with you. At least, they are feeling manly and getting some testosterone shooting through their veins. That in itself is probably worth more than the actual shag. And certainly worth more than paying a quack shrink. At least they go home with a tan, tension release with an “I don’t give shit, I’ve just been shagging for two weeks” attitude.

    But, they need to slow down and be smart. So many get burned. I guess going down in pseudo alpha flames is better than hitting on and being rejected by fat chicks and dying a slow death at home.

    Thailand is great but it has a dangerous side that many farang think they are immune to…they are not. Even had a very good friend murdered there a few years back…great guy..top of the line.

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  223. The perfect male for today’s women: a cat that acts like Scarface!

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  224. Rum,

    It’s al’ Thor…not just Thor…there is another guy who posts here that is using that name.

    If I ever move back to the US, Texas is under consideration, seems like a good place and you can generally find what you want. And no state income taxes.

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  225. another point one could make about texas is that the germans and czechs tended to speak german and czech for several generations here before speaking english. but of course i must just be spewing liberal propaganda to you guys who have swallowed the iSteve spooge.

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  226. Tupac,

    Bill Hicks would have thought Chateau was a fucktard. Chateau writes real pretty but he can’t think for himself, spews pseudoscientific goo, fawns over fagtards like Mystery, and jumps on the latest political bandwagon. (reactionary politics is the new black)

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  227. On any given weekday night Austin provides about 150 live – music venues. Most of the acts are crap, of course. Only about 15 of them – tonight its Thursday – are for the ages.
    I do not live there anymore because I like making obscene amounts of money too much to stay in poor student-mode.

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  228. The real enemy here is the owner/publisher of the Washington Post. She is the old shrew. But her paper is slowly collapsing financially.

    She hired Jessica Valenti of Feministing to do a column/blog.

    This means the Washington Post is funding feminism.

    Also, you may all be aware of the recent scandal where they hired Dave Weigel, a pimple-faced young brat, to be the “Republican Blogger/Columnist” for 2010, to allegedly balance out the fact that they had a radical leftist Ezra Klein (ostensibly male) as the Democrat Blogger/Columnist.

    Weigel was supposed to be a Republican himself, covering his own party.

    As if everyone hadn’t already noticed, it was revealed in June that Weigel was sending messages to his left-wing friends via the now defunct Journo-List about how much he hated conservatives of all types, and how he wanted talking points on how he could undermine the Republicans via his platform as a supposed Republican.

    The WaPo had to promptly fire him when it became clear he hated Republicans and wasn’t one of them. Then they wrote a column about how glad they were that he got a new job on MSNBC – whose advertisers we should all boycott.

    I can still smell the putrid sewage from that scandal from here.

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  229. BTW – I don’t mind Democrat males condemning Republicans for their anti-sex attitudes or their pro-pesticides and pro-toxins in food attitudes.

    I just get really bothered by Democrat males who give feminism a free pass.

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  230. “But of course feminists hate beauty.”

    They hate it because they want male power directly, and not through proxy. They want to be power matrons with big hair and a beemer. Beauty is used to a tool to get power through the proxy of a man. Beautiful women compete with power-matrons, and are universally despised by them.

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  231. I hear that Afghan and Somalian women are the loveliest in the world. And given the appalling pastimes and practices of their menfolk, I think they would welcome a beta.

    Provided he converted to Islam, I suppose.

    Actually, considering that the appalling pastimes and practices are in part due to their Islamic beliefs, I think converting would be that last thing she’d want you to do.

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  232. BTW – Does anyone have any info on what the federal judge just said in the gay marriage ruling about California?

    Did he say that Polygamy had the same standing?

    If so, I might agree with the ruling.

    However, a ruling that gives gays a pass but polygamists no pass…has to be overridden.

    I know this will be a point where social conservatives and libertarian conservatives will collide: while we may all seem to be on the same side against gays trying to get special privileges for themselves while hypocritically not helping heterosexual polygamists (the lack of cooperation between the two groups has been striking), the non-socons such as myself would want the US Supreme Court to uphold polygamy as a right.

    I have two girlfriends I could consider marrying if I could still add to the mix after that and wouldn’t be financially liable for anything more than $1000 per month total child support no matter how many kids I had with them all (Texas has such a child support law and there are countries that want more babies, so this isn’t too much to ask).

    The girlie-man media and Washington Post are now just crowing about gay marriage being upheld…they wouldn’t consider it news if there was a line in the ruling about polygamy being OK too. That would only be of interest to…say…the majority of heterosexual men.

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  233. All I know is that the more I treat highly-educated DC women like sub-human cum dumpsters, them the more they want my cock. That’s all I know and that’s all I need to know.

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  234. on August 6, 2010 at 4:01 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””But, they need to slow down and be smart. So many get burned. I guess going down in pseudo alpha flames is better than hitting on and being rejected by fat chicks and dying a slow death at home.

    Thailand is great but it has a dangerous side that many farang think they are immune to…they are not. Even had a very good friend murdered there a few years back…great guy..top of the line.
    ””””””’
    Everywhere is dangerous but states probably has higher stats than thailand.

    Just show no fear and nothing bad normally happens.
    Or at least not to me yet anyway.

    Hopefully he went out hard only way to go.

    Not pseudi alpha real man.

    I got my little plot picked out back for when my time comes.

    he he he

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  235. Does anyone have any info on what the federal judge just said in the gay marriage ruling about California?

    Did he say that Polygamy had the same standing?

    If so, I might agree with the ruling.

    However, a ruling that gives gays a pass but polygamists no pass…has to be overridden.

    Interesting. I haven’t been following the ruling, so I don’t know what the judge said – however, I did just google “gay marriage” and “polygamy” and found the FOXNews article by Peter Ferrera that suggests there is no more rational basis for gay marriage than there is for polygamy or woman-cat marriage.

    So my first reaction would be that the judge probably said nothing about polygamy and you’re just overwhelmed by the media.

    That said, you should probably take a step back and think about what polygamy means, especially in this age of what Doug likes to call “marriage 2.0”. Namely, it means that you would be much more likely to find yourself faced with multiple divorces from multiple wives, which means a heck of a lot of alimony. Not so sexy anymore, is it.

    Also, this

    That would only be of interest to…say…the majority of heterosexual men.

    is a pretty stupid statement. Civilized monogamy is very much to the benefit of the heterosexual male. Polygamy, biologically speaking, benefits only alpha males and females. Why? Because alpha males get all the females. And the females all get to sleep with the alpha males. And so females and alpha males are biological winners, and betas are all big, fat losers. It’s no wonder that civilization has been working toward monogamy toward the dawn of time – civilization is, after all, built by and on the backs of beta males. Imagine how quickly beta males would be disinclined to further society if the alpha males were sucking up all the women for their little harems.

    Sure, it’s of interest to the majority of heterosexual men when said men imagine themselves at the top of the heap. But reality says…the majority of heterosexual men are not alphas.

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  236. @Esteri

    Since Alphas are not that numerous, very few women would be sucked away from the Betas if polygamy were ruled legal along with gay marriage with Justice Anthony Kennedy as the swing vote.

    I could then marry and import my two main squeezes into the USA (my inability to bring in multiple wives is what forces me to live as an exiled American). I would then want to go find more wives.

    You are correct that the 85% of Betas/Gammas/Omegas would be against the 15% Alphas on the topic if they knew they would lose out in the process but you noted that many would consider themselves Alphas when they are not so the numbers in support of polygamy would swell.

    Wannabe Alphas have to count as Alphas in terms of voting power.

    If the gays at 7% of the population are going to get their marriage, Republicans will be foolish to oppose the 15% of Alphas (plus double that amount in wannabes) by falsely acting as if gay marriage was “only the beginning of a slippery slope toward something worse = polygamy”.

    You can see how the Republican Beta attitude would start to grate on the nerves of Alphas and Wannabe Alphas if that happened.

    The last thing the GOP needs is to have Alphas and Wannabe Alphas as their enemy.

    It is true that the “Proud to be Beta”s control the Republican Party (actually their wives do) just as much as the wives of Betas control the Democratic Party.

    Plus there is no doubt that marriage of any kind, under current laws, is bad for men financially.

    But gay marriage is far worse for society than polygamy would be as very few extra women would be sucked away from the betas by the alphas.

    If we were to create a Caribbean Island Nation, it could easily adopt a policy of Alpha Male Immigration only and have an open immigration policy for women.

    The world needs an Alpha nation, if only to diplomatically fend for Alphas everywhere (kind of like Israel fends for Jews everywhere).

    Maybe he can write a post on the very serious possibility of creating an island nation like that.

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  237. Here are two interesting articles on the gay marriage ruling and polygamy:

    http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/08/05/judge-walkers-rational-basis-for-supporting-polygamy/

    http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2010/08/04/california-gay-marriage-ban-struck-down-polygamy-ban-goes-next/

    Basically, I’m happy as long as the two issues are joined in discussions and as long as the arguments before the Supreme Court include this discussion.

    I am well aware that the Catholic conservatives on the Supreme Court would probably not allow either polygamy nor gay marriage. I just don’t want them saying OK to gay marriage while no to polygamy at the same time.

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  238. Ferrera’s article on the gay marriage ruling does make a good point:

    He asks what will stop a man from marrying three women who each marry three men themselves…until everyone is basically everyone else’s in-law:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/08/05/peter-ferrara-california-gay-marriage-bigamy-constitution-right/

    We would have to stop our wives from being able to marry multiple men at the same time.

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  239. Wtf how do you Betas manage to keep running debates and conversations with “lily” going??

    shes the shittest commentator iv’e seen in the YEARS iv’e been following this blog…

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  240. I wasn’t saying that Thailand is more dangerous just that farang get lulled into thinking it’s %100 safe and do stupid crap…then end up in trouble that they didn’t see coming.

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  241. Jerry “I have two girlfriends I could consider marrying if I could still add to the mix after that and wouldn’t be financially liable for anything more than $1000 per month total child support no matter how many kids I had with them all (Texas has such a child support law and there are countries that want more babies, so this isn’t too much to ask)”

    Jerry why would you want to bother with marrying these girls, aren’t you sitting pretty just having them as your girlfriends?

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  242. “I just get really bothered by Democrat males who give feminism a free pass.”

    At this point, any “Democrat males” left are commie scum. Or incurably stupid.

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  243. Maybe the marriages in Thailand don’t work because the girls are whores. Something is wrong with men who go halfway around the world to marry prostitutes. They should just be happy to sleep with lots and lots of attractive young women and leave it at that. If some man has access to all the young attractive women he wants but he still chooses to do something stupid like marry one to get screwed then he must be a beta. A beta who too weak to shake the b.s. Disney storyline he was indoctrinated with.

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  244. @al’ Thor
    Yes, your posts are spot on and the divorce link was related to Khon Kaen..;-)

    My point to the OP was because he was talking about marriage and *if* a factor was golddiggers, he wasn’t going to be better off in Asia, at least in those countries. As the odds are that if he ended up getting married, without knowing anything about those countries, he would end up getting married to a bar girl or someone else where there was an economic reason.

    But if he went somewhere like that with his eyes wide open and spent a year just having fun, maybe having carved out some fun money into a bank account that he didn’t mind ‘losing’ in whatever form during that time, why not.

    I think in terms of marriage, Gorb’s right about Japan. Odds may be better there.

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  245. Gorb,

    I’m Asian and you’re right! We finally agree.

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  246. @Audrey

    Agreed, but theoretically, if alphas could take over one state, say Utah or Wyoming, with polygamy allowed and no more than $1000 per month child support if a woman wanted a divorce, I could bring more than one East European woman back and forth to the USA (women from good families usually don’t want to leave their homeland permanently and mine would die if away from their extended families for more than 6 months) and have lots of children later in life, including with some of the great non-feminist women born in the USA.

    The main reason for marriage is for children to see stability. Obviously other forms of legal coupling could help me arrange legal visas for women to travel with me. I don’t like the current situation where I cannot spend six months in the Rocky Mountains with several foreign girlfriends. I want flexibility…and the states rights concept could make it possible for a state like Utah or Nevada to allow polygamy within my lifetime (I won’t hold my breath).

    And this is all a mute point because the girlfriends don’t know about each other and THEIR societies don’t allow polygamy.

    Obviously there is nothing but downside to marriage as it stands now. Marriage 1.0 and 2.0 had no flexibility.

    But maybe, with the new gay marriage ruling, we can now push for Marriage 3.0 with a pro-male Flexibility Feature (few downsides + the major advantage of multiple “civil union partners” being able to travel on one man’s passport).

    One of the top priorities of US feminists is to stop US men from dating/mating with foreign women, and unlike the gays, we have no political support on such matters in the US. If VAWA/IMBRA are any indication, the feminists will join the female social conservatives to make sure it remains extremely hard for an American man to bring multiple foreign women into the USA to live with him.

    @D.N. Yes, the once-in-a-lifetime travelers who quickly marry one woman in Thailand must have something badly wrong with them…but I would say the same thing about any guy who settles for just one woman. Granted, we’ve all seen some really low grade US males marry extremely low grade whores in Thailand, but the principle is still the same: Marriage 2.0 sucks.

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  247. Jerry, it’s cool that you dig polygamy. But what do you propose is done with surplus boys and men?

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  248. Alpha hetero males outnumber gay males 2:1 and that’s not including the wannabee alphas. Combined with the wannabees who would vote in the Alpha interest, there may soon be more political support for Alpha males than there now is for the evangelical Christian right, which now stands at 18% of the US voting population. Alpha hetero males should have twice if not three times the political power of gays including access to $billions if we can find a billionaire to finance a political interest group.

    I don’t see the 85% of Betas keeping the 15% Alphas down and without a voice now that the old media is dying.

    Alphas will rip feminists a new asshole where Betas have groveled and failed.

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  249. I was just reading this in the Guardian and I immediately thought: why doesn’t the Guardian visit the Chateaux?
    Actually, the video of Eminem and Rhianna is a great visual summation of everything you have been saying for the past few years at the Chateaux – that women are sexually and inexorably attracted to a violent badboy.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2010/aug/06/eminem-rihanna-video
    “Does Eminem and Rihanna’s new video glamorise domestic abuse?
    Some bloggers think the video for Love the Way You Lie glamorises violence, while others believe it highlights the dangers of domestic abuse”

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  250. @PA

    Practically speaking, I would send the surplus males to matriarchal states like Massachusetts. 😉

    I don’t think the surplus boys and men question would be so acute in a huge population where they can be mollified with strip joints and porn.

    I’m mainly talking about certain Rocky Mountain states and Caribbean island nations allowing freedom of travel, etc.

    The book “Brave New World” ended with the protagonist being rewarded with the right to move to a designated place designed for those who balked at the society provided to the masses.

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  251. I don’t follow your response. It’s still not clear to me how your vision of polygamy will handle the male surplus.

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  252. Then again, Ted Kennedy was an Alpha (screwing interns left and right) who used his political power to screw all men. He especially didn’t care as he grew impotent That is when he championed the worst feminist laws.

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  253. @ Gorb AH! Gangnam-gu!!! I lived very near there. Yes you are right. The girls, and the younger guys are very cute. The girls are not stick figures either, just smaller boned. It’s a shame they are importing our way of eating. The little kids look to have a much higher rate of obesity than the young adults I saw.
    And yes many of the white girls HATED korean girls. It was palpable. They are just bitter that their odds of meeting a guy was greatly diminished.
    My husband always said, it’s not that guys love Asian girls….they don’t like FAT girls.

    If any young girls reading this blog don’t fret. I lived in Korea when I was 21 for a few years and I loved it. I bagged my WASP husband there 🙂 and had an excellent time- made many friends. It is actually a wonderful opportunity to date guys from all over the Aglosphere- guys like all cute girls, i never had an issue. just don’t expect to be fat and bitchy and be able to bag your usual betas. They are alpha by virtue of whiteness.

    @Andrew I am very sorry about your suffering. You should go to Asia but remember they’re still human. There’s plenty of bitches and cheaters (my friend told me a story of his long term gf saying- “ok well this has been fun, but now i have to marry my Korean boyfriend- lol) and golddiggers…it’s just that your odds are much better there and you can discard any chick that has a bad personality for the 10 others that will be in line.

    If you marry- DO NOT let your woman get the “ajumma perm”- just trust me. It turns a cute 35 year old into a matronly 55 year old.

    Are you fat? If so, your chances are greatly diminished. A couple of guys I knew were fat and they had a hard time meeting girls.

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  254. @PA

    The USA is already a polygamous society outside of marriage.

    The male surplus is playing video games, watching porn and going to strip bars.

    Tons of Christian conservative males are going without sex as they are no longer attracted to their wives.

    I consider these guys part of the surplus.

    Fundamentalist Muslim societies breed terrorism because they don’t allow such outlets. The 9/11 terrorists wowed themselves at a strip bar two nights before the attack.

    You may be referring to the uproar Betas might make when they learn that the single women, who would otherwise reject them, are also officially married.

    Because of this week’s gay marriage ruling, it will be interesting to read more about polygamy.

    I guess I can live without it becoming official…but it would be nice to be able to go back to live in the USA long term and still have multiple partners.

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  255. Practically speaking, I would send the surplus males to matriarchal states like Massachusetts. 😉

    Oh, I didn’t see that comment.

    But nah, polygamy is not a good solution. It’s better to ensure a positive native-stock birthrate plus some immigration of good looking women, with successive cohorts outnumbering older ones.

    This, with monogamous marriage, will ensure the surplus women, including industry workers, to give us the variety we need along with social stability.

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  256. Carolyn Hax rhymes with Goldman Sax and Tucker Max. Coincidence?

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  257. Agreed, but theoretically, if alphas could take over one state, say Utah or Wyoming, with polygamy allowed and no more than $1000 per month child support if a woman wanted a divorce, I could bring more than one East European woman back and forth to the USA

    Ummmmmmm…so your plan is to bring a bunch of Eastern European women who don’t know about each other and who don’t believe in polygamy to the United States? Where they’ll divorce you, and then they and their children will become wardens of the state because you only pay $1000 max in child support?

    Are you stupid?

    (few downsides + the major advantage of multiple “civil union partners” being able to travel on one man’s passport)

    How are there “few downsides”? What about all of the men who don’t get wives in a polygamous society? What about when the women you’ve imported decided to leave you and become wardens of the state? What about all of the children you are having and then not supporting, who also become wardens of the state? If the main purpose of marriage is that children will have stability, this is obviously a retarded way to ensure that.

    make sure it remains extremely hard for an American man to bring multiple foreign women into the USA to live with him

    Have you not stopped to think that if you import a surplus of women, assuming that the laws don’t change so that women have zero rights, they will all divorce the crap out of you and take welfare handouts?

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  258. Here’s someone a surplus male can have:

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/florida-woman-steals-from-store-leaves-baby-behind

    No racism implied – it is her behavior that begs for replacement stock to be brought in.

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  259. Of course, PA’s solution of “importing a surplus of good looking” women is also not terribly smart. How are you going to make that one happen, PA?

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  260. “Carolyn Hax rhymes with Goldman Sax and Tucker Max. Coincidence?”

    Morpheus (gbfm)
    I do not see coincidence, I see providence. I see purpose*

    *butthex withouth teh girlth’s conthenth

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  261. **providence – the bernakified fiat currency

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  262. Of course GBFM nailed that point earlier. I withdraw my query.

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  263. @Esteri

    No, neither of the two girlfriends would divorce me if I chose to marry them, which I probably won’t…mainly because I don’t see laws changing anywhere.

    The hypothetical “wards of the state” argument is false because there is nothing wrong with sending scam artists and welfare cases back to a home country. Feminists just don’t *want* to send women back to other countries when they can be made into feminist *allies* who will work with them for free at shelters, etc.

    Any man who wants children will be at odds with the current anti-male system in most US states about what constitutes fair child support or not.

    Texas already has a law that says men do not have to pay more than $1000 total child support for the total amount of children they might have sired.

    Feminists may disagree with that but obviously the social conservatives of Texas were OK with that.

    I just don’t like the flat plains of Texas as much as the mountain country of Colorado where I’d like to see a similar code brought in. I only want about 2 or 3 children. I just don’t want any government making me go broke for having them.

    On child support, what I propose is doable.

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  264. @Esteri

    You are an American woman, correct?

    Not smart to bolster a population with excess good-looking women?

    You are absolutely correct that neither of the girlfriends would allow even knowledge of the other.

    I am astounded that I’ve gotten away with this.

    The secret is keeping them in separate towns and, in an emergency, having two separate apartments.

    It can get expensive.

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  265. Of course, they both have jobs and pay their own way as well.

    It is just, if one comes to visit from her country to the one I am in, I have to show that I live in an apartment somewhere and it cannot be the same one that the other girlfriend might drop by at.

    There is no chance that they would both agree to know about each other, meet each other and agree to both marry me.

    You are completely correct about that @Esteri

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  266. Of course, PA’s solution of “importing a surplus of good looking” women is also not terribly smart. How are you going to make that one happen, PA?

    I’m not gonna make it happen. But people who make policy can make it happen. Like giving au pair visas to girls from good-looking countries, or bringing in female students or seasonal workers, some of whom will stay in the US. Also, bringing in families with lots of girls and no boys. Encouraging young men to bring in foreign brides. Visas for hotties. Lotsa ways, if you want it.

    Not that I necessarily advocate it, and certainly not on a large scale. I don’t desire to destabilize other countries, and I am aware of the chain immigration realities, wherein grandparents, uncles, cousins, and brothers follow in.

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  267. Jerry,

    I am not American, but thanks for playing.

    However, this

    No, neither of the two girlfriends would divorce me if I chose to marry them, which I probably won’t…mainly because I don’t see laws changing anywhere.

    is obviously false in this situation. Right now we are assuming that you are talking about marrying these girls in the event that polygamy did become legal, so whether or not they would divorce you were they your only wife is a moot point. Assuming that polygamy did become legal, and you then married your two girlfriends…they would probably not be terribly happy about it and eventually end up divorcing you.

    Let’s say you do bring a bunch of women into the US, have children with them, and then deport them if they decide to divorce you. How, exactly, would you argue that this is a benefit for society? Please go ahead.

    I just don’t want any government making me go broke for having them.

    Hmm, if you’re so sure your women wouldn’t divorce you, why would this matter?

    Not smart to bolster a population with excess good-looking women?

    Did I say that? I said not a smart suggestion, mainly because HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IMPORT ONLY GOOD LOOKING WOMEN? HMM? Are you going to stand by the gates of America and decide who gets let in? And if you do, how long do you think you’ll be able to do this before the good ol’ boys of whatever countries you’re poaching from realize that this is not cool?

    Please.

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  268. Plus I don’t want to see mass emigration of hotties away from Eastern Europe.

    Right now it is 7:1 single women to single men.

    It needs to stay that way. He and others have shown that women are nicer to men when they greatly outnumber them.

    But I am siding with East European men and myself on this. Any American single male who plans to reside in the USA for a long while, needs to be thinking the opposite.

    The 1:1 ratio of single women to men in the USA creates a living Hell…and is the reason why the PUA movement had to develop.

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  269. At the end of the day, polygamy really benefits nobody. Here are the drawbacks for each group:

    *Betas: No wives and basically no chance of wives
    *Younger men: No girls, because younger women will be snapped up by older men for harems
    *Children: Less paternal influence, high possibility of favoritism for firstborns
    *Women: Less resources for themselves/their children
    *Alpha/older men: Required to marry all of their mistresses/girlfriends and distribute resources fairly
    *Society/Civilization: Betas/younger men not inclined to contribute to society as society is not inclined to contribute to them

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  270. @Esteri

    It is well known US State Department policy to give Business Visas only to the less good-looking females who apply.

    You can find affirmation of this everywhere.

    I have successfully advised a number of foreign women to go to their visa interviews *without* make-up and without dressing stylishly or in any way sexy. As feminist American women tend to work in embassies, I always advise women to have an interview with a male American…even though most of these are White Knighters trying to impress their female colleagues.

    Don’t get me started on the anti-hottie immigration policy of the US embassy system.

    Regarding what is good for the state or not:

    Males don’t care what is good for a state or not.

    Male conservatives certainly don’t give a damn.

    Life needs to be all about individual liberty and governments need to be small and non-intrusive, especially when it comes to interpersonal relationships.

    The book “1984” was all about a government, Big Brother, getting involved in a relationship between Winston and Julia. It warned that this was the worst type of government intervention.

    If I want to bring women friends to the USA, as long as I will pay their way while they are my friends, this should be my right. They can find their own way to pay for their lives if they are not my friends. There is no reason to bring in the concept that anyone will become a ward of a state they were not born in.

    Almost all beautiful young women have parents to take them back.

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  271. I recently read an article in National Geographic about a polygamist sect living in Utah. The journalist noted that the girls, who are highly valued, were very confident and sure of their position in the society. The boys were the opposite, they seem to be very shy and were expected to be extremely deferential to a few elder males in power.

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  272. I got the impression a small number of older men in positions of power got to decide who got access to women and who didn’t.

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  273. Jerry,

    So you are basically arguing for a societal model that benefits nobody and thus immediately goes to shit.

    In order to have a polygamous society that even sort of works, you need a number of factors to already be set:

    *Women have no rights and therefore are unable to contest a man’s right to more than one women
    *95% of males are okay with not having sex (necessary to either kill them, enslave them, or indoctrinate them with religion)
    *Young men are sent off to die very quickly

    Also, the idea that there ever existed polygamous societies in which the females were chaste, pure, and faithful and monogamous to their one husband is absurd.

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  274. @Esteri

    Polygamy benefits woman in violent societies (like the pre-modern Bedouin) because it gives unprotected women, particularly widows, a protector.

    In any society, polygamy puts betas/omegas and young men of any class at a horrible disadvantage. The treatment of FLDS boys by their fathers is a modern American example of what happens when men compete with their own sons for women. Teenage boys are driven out of their homes and left to fend for themselves without getting the guidance and education they need to succeed. Old men abandon their sons–all for some young pussy from girls who don’t want them.

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  275. Laura,

    Polygamous sects in Utah are notorious for kicking out boys as young as 13–literally just leaving them by the side of the road with nothing–so that the elders can marry the young girls.

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  276. @Laura

    That would be better than what I saw the last time I was in Manhattan: a 19 year old white 10 walking hand in hand with a black guy her own age dressed in rags. The American culture had given him status over all the older white males who are now considered the dregs…but who are in the skyscrapers earning the money, some of it legitimately.

    Plus this young black dude probably had a harem of these young white 10s.

    I found US society so incredibly backwards. That is why I left.

    When I was 20 and in the Army, I hated it when the older rich males had harems including the women I wanted.

    Now its my turn.

    Now its CR’s turn.

    Now its the turn of the 15% of males who can fuck over the current system as the old media dies.

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  277. Of course I don’t mean the current monogamous system needs to be fucked over. That has already happened…just not yet via Supreme Court ruling (the gay marriage ruling brings it a step closer).

    But the anti-male culture can be reversed.

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  278. Field Report:
    —————
    So just so you dont think I’m theorizing in my basement.

    Last night date with 24 (I’m 42); 7 pm, free Jazz concert at museum (FYI, banged a 30 yo, 7.25, till 1am night before)

    She is a Latvian student via match, solid 8.5; blond, 5’8”; 10 bikini body; not classic cheekboned face; but, great smile & very feminine.

    So, 3 weeks of trying; she notes persistence; and agrees to date. She shows up in black cocktail dress, with new black high heels with little balls on tip.

    Its 93; we have drinks in Garden: she has a Rose wine, she doesnst drink much she notes [?]; I make small talk about rose champagne, sweet v, dry.

    We chat about her school, travel, food, partying & local beaches. I take out iPhone walk thru gallery of beaches, travel, etc. I do go into some detail about ethnic foods; some exotic, ingredients that are cool.

    So, after 1 hr she announces: So you like cars and you’re one of those “food guys”. I sorta mis-heard her I think she was saying Foodie; and I aksed you mean “Teddy Bear”.

    Then all was lost. She says yeah your nice, fun, and friendly….

    So, event ends; and I realize i did something fatal. Not sure if it was enthusiasm, smiles, or mentioning apricot in food…she WAS turned off.

    Outside, I say OK, I am going to head downtown. She asks Where r you going? I say downtown. “We’ll maybe we can have another drink” she says.

    On the way to an outdoor Fountain bar I dryly note telling a guy he’s nice is like telling a girl her butt is fat. She laughs and back pedals.

    At the outdoor bar [serving $12 drinks, no less] her body language is cold. She does all the asking, I revert to aloof, cool, chill. Then switch seats next to her. This makes her warm up; then she launches attack:

    In rapid fire she essentially says: Your not as confident as you act; others opinions are important to you and you act younger than you are….all wrapped in polite niceties.

    So……………………………………………………..I call her bluff [btw, my total investment here is $17 for museum drinks, $2 subway ride; and .00000001c for 3 emails]

    I cooly state: “You clearly are not interested in me, so these drinks are on you” This is done with no sarcasm, just calm, matter of fact. The $ money issue is one that catches them off guard, b/c they know your not BS’ing.

    She is shocked.

    She pulls 180 degree reversal. Says she wants to know the real me, inside, and really wants to go on a second date. I hand her the bill.

    We walk out, and she is literally hip to hip with me. I ask her where her subway is, and walk her over 6 blocks. First I hold her hand on xing streets @ light. Then she squeezes it and hold on longer, to hold last 2 blocks. At subway, she says she wants to see me Sunday for that ethnic food; I tell her to txt me when she gets home safe.

    I went and had a nice dinner at that ethnic restaurant $24, and a nitecap, and approached a Norwegian babe, no go; but 1% > 0% cahnce of not trying; she did smile @ me.

    Latvian txts and says looking forward to seeing you again.

    So lets review:

    -Yes, I stated “Dont be nice” yesterday, and even I fell for a 24yo 8.5 and was “enthusiastic” v. aloof/cool; this alone maybe was OK. Coupled with art, knowledge of Rose wines and exotic cuisines was NOT traditional Male role model for her.

    I am Middle Eastern, 5’10’, 185, bench 200lbs, dark hair, deep voice, Wall St, often accused of being macho, sexist, and even scary. But, what i said negated all this masculinity/status….!

    HOWEVER, when i refused to take her shit tests AND was ready to walk away, at her $ cost; She was assured the balls were large and ready to fill her pussy with many future potent loads.

    NB: I still give this a 20% chance, just b/c I know my stealth niceness damaged this. I will invest $50 in an ethnic lunch ( beats eating alone!). She was impressed by my dramatic recovery and that alone maybe enough.

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  279. That’s sad. I’m surprised that a man would be willing to do that to his own son.

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  280. PA “It’s better to ensure a positive native-stock birthrate plus some immigration of good looking women, with successive cohorts outnumbering older ones”

    PA the problem here is that you have to be able to… you know, codify this stuff? Like how are you going to write specific definitions of “good looking women” that the INS can use uniformly at the ports of entry.
    And haha remembering that, let’s just say, not everyone shares you and cr’s view of exactly what is good-looking… for instance what if you have black guys at the INS making some of these decisions? Lol

    Also I think it goes without saying that importing large #s of women from those countries, into an environment in which they’re given a chance to affect family law etc., is going to backfire on you in a pretty big way.

    Jerry “The 1:1 ratio of single women to men in the USA creates a living Hell”

    Cry me a river Jerry. If you can’t handle even odds then that seems like your problem, not the country’s problem haha.

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  281. @Jerry

    There was an interesting Nat Geo Program called “Email Order Brides” that is still available on Youtube. One segment focuses on IMBRA. Apparently, the part of IMBRA that gives foreign countries the right to review the criminal records of men looking for their female citizenry stems from the murder of a Russian mail order bride by an American man with a record of violent crime.

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  282. Jerry’s ideal society benefits him. What he seems to forget is that other people have their own interests and are going to pursue them.

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  283. Jerry,

    My entire point is that a monogamous system is, in fact, very pro-male. It may not be as pro-alpha-male as some of the purported alphas on this board would like, but it is very pro-male for the majority of males.

    Monogamy, au contraire to what some of the deluded “alphas” may think, did not arise because women were demanding their rights (though it does benefit women, as well)–it arose because 95% of men don’t enjoy getting fucked over.

    The idea that legalization of polygamy in the United States would make laws less “anti-male” is absurd–if anything, having multiple wives is exactly what an American guy should NOT want. More than one legally-recognized wife would almost certainly lead to more female-female drama (just think of the drama wives can bring in divorce court when he has a mistress–now imagine if they suddenly had to contend with women who were recognized as equal to them), which would almost certainly lead to both wives deciding they want to take the man for all he’s worth.

    Also, a lot more women are willing to participate in soft polygamy if they feel that they are in some way superior to the man’s other girls. In other words, it is much more likely, in today’s American society, for a wife to stick by her husband as he fucks side-things, because she knows that she is number one. Sure, a lot of women will not accept that situation, but some will. It’s very unlikely, in today’s American society, that a woman would be as forgiving if she did not feel some sort of superiority/security over the side-things.

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  284. @Silverfox

    Impressive comeback. It seems that Latvian got over there so I cannot meet her here. 😦

    Women love talking about pesticides and bad ingredients in food. You also want to tell them you cook well and be ready to back that statement up at your place.

    Second date should either be at your place or at a swim-locale where you can check out what she really looks like. An 8.5 could become a 10 or a 6 in a swimsuit. One has to check before getting too involved.

    But you clearly know what you’re doing.

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  285. Audrey,

    Jerry “The 1:1 ratio of single women to men in the USA creates a living Hell”

    Cry me a river Jerry. If you can’t handle even odds then that seems like your problem, not the country’s problem haha.

    A valid point. If the only way for a man to successfully get women is to ensure that they are desperate and that he is the only thing around, that pretty much says everything about him.

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  286. Laura,

    Jerry’s ideal society benefits him. What he seems to forget is that other people have their own interests and are going to pursue them.

    It would seem that Jerry’s ideal society doesn’t even benefit him, as he’s already admitted that his two girlfriends would refuse to marry him if they knew about each other. I fail to see the purpose of his argument.

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  287. Jerry,
    I can understand your resentment at the situation you described above. However, I think this idea of white women preferring black men is a little exaggerated. I’ve never even so much as kissed a black man and neither have any of my friends as far as I know. I live in an area with a lot of black people and I almost never see interracial couples. I just still think most white women like white men.

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  288. on August 6, 2010 at 10:48 am AGUARDIENTE ANTIOQUEÑO SIN AZÚCAR

    i no understand why you americanox lokox seem to think that hard polygameñas >>> soft polygameñas

    if your law comenza a allowing polygameñas, all que will happen es que you will start having más obligationex toward las women

    … so all you güeys who have the xoft polygameñas, you should xut up and enjoy el buffete. porque right now it’s free.
    but if you idiotax get hard polygameñas passed as law, you will have to start paying mucho dinero for el buffete that used to be free.
    idiotax!
    lox indigentex y borrachox ANTIOQUEÑOX de medellín would know better

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  289. @Esteri

    You make sense. I don’t need to get married to have children and laws will change soon allowing East Europeans and Russians into the USA for 90 day visits at least.

    I was just annoyed today that this gay marriage ruling is unfair to alphas who should have twice the political power of gays but don’t.

    Gays simply don’t have more of a right to what they want.

    @Audrey

    It is well known that a 1:1 ratio is a disaster. No men with any awareness will want to play in the desert when they can do better in a greener environment.

    I’m leaving for the weekend, so another guy can take up the easy argument feminists make that “only real men can handle the tough conditions” they thrive in. Guys with good driving skills and money fly to Milan to buy Ferraris. Guys with good social skills fly to any number of excellent locations, including several resort locales in the USA, where women are plentiful, beautiful and friendly.

    @Laura

    You know I’m well aware that feminists and Betas in the GOP and Democratic Party are pursuing their interests with a vengeance and have been for quite awhile.

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  290. Jerry,
    Very likely that man you saw was a professional football player, or something.

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  291. @Esteri

    No, Audrey did not make a valid point. It has been discussed here many times that those who feel PUAs should operate in relatively harsh conditions aren’t PUAs or aren’t doing anywhere near as well as they could otherwise do.

    Granted, the PUA movement is big in the USA and the UK precisely because the conditions are harsh (feminism + even ratios), but that just makes the USA and UK a good laboratory for people outside the lab to check out and learn from.

    As Silverfox just noted, he was dating a Latvian who had gone to the USA.

    It is a common theme that western Alphas in their own countries will still date foreign exchange students from Eastern and Northern Europe.

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  292. Jerry,
    How can there be 7 women for every man in Eastern Europe?

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  293. Jerry,

    Whether I do or do not agree with gay marriage is beyond the point. Allowing gays to marry will not fuck up society epically, the way that allowing a select few alpha men to marry multiple women will.

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  294. How can there be 7 women for every man in Eastern Europe?

    There aren’t.

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  295. Actually, Eastern European countries do have a low male to female ratio…in the 65+ age range. In the 65+ age range, the male to female ratio is about 1:2. But I will, perhaps ignorantly, assume that Jerry is not talking about the excess of sexy 65 year old Eastern European women.

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  296. on August 6, 2010 at 11:04 am AGUARDIENTE ANTIOQUEÑO SIN AZÚCAR

    It is well known that a 1:1 ratio is a disaster.

    ah sí … no human xociedad has ever xurvived el ratio de uno a uno.
    em…
    lo xiento, i’m afraid that’s incorrect

    in jerry’s next post we expect him to call for la muerte del ~90 por ciento de los men americanox, así que el ratio will become his preferido 7:1
    him y mary daly … dox peax in a pod, those two

    That would be better than what I saw the last time I was in Manhattan: a 19 year old white 10 walking hand in hand with a black guy her own age dressed in rags.

    o el tiempo! o la ética!

    salir de your country because you see uno interracial couple
    = real winner we’ve got aquí

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  297. @Laura

    I was using that as an example but, no, the white 10 was walking hand in hand with some unemployed rap-music loving guy. He was an Alpha probably because he’d been trained by other guys in the ghetto not to be monogamous-minded. Women gravitate to guys who don’t get “One-Itis”. He was advantaged in not having been brought up like white betas are raised.

    But there was also the American culture operating as well there. Older white males are not given the status with 19 year old American 10s in Manhattan as they are given in other cultures.

    My point was that the image of a teenage boy being left out by a micro-culture equals the image of millions of American men in their 40s left out of any chance of dating women 18-22 themselves…because the society doesn’t like age difference dating.

    By age 40, I knew I had to leave Manhattan behind and go to greener pastures. I did well there in my 30s but I did even better elsewhere later on.

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  298. Jerry,
    I know you regularly date women who are 20-30 years younger than you. That’s a pretty big age difference and in the US you don’t see that much. Most women do like older men, but probably more like 5-15 years is more common.

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  299. Anyone who thinks polygamy in any organized way can exist without authoritarianism in the society is an idiot.

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  300. AGUARDIENTE,

    It is well known that a 1:1 ratio is a disaster.

    ah sí … no human xociedad has ever xurvived el ratio de uno a uno.
    em…

    Heh. Nice. One would think that it’s quite obvious that it would literally be impossible for any society to succeed without a 1:1 ratio.

    P.S. Vamos Medellin?

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  301. No need to argue ratio differences.

    They are well known.

    Manhattan is good by the way, but not so much for women 18-22 who cannot afford to live there (which is why I left).

    @AGUARDIENTE

    It wasn’t the interracial aspect but more of a socio-economic backwards trend. That 10 should have been hanging out with her friends at the Plaza Hotel hoping to meet an IMM or some other guy of substance.

    In Eastern Europe you will not see many 10s dating extremely poor guys from Harlem. They look for guys who actually have something going for them (including black guys who have done something with themselves).

    I resented the fact that Marxist feminism in New York City had so many women 18-22 dating guys that were my opposites on the socio-economic scale.

    I chose to date in non-feminist societies where women choose men more rationally. And it sure helped to be out of a culture where age difference dating is frowned upon.

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  302. Jerry,

    I chose to date in non-feminist societies where women choose men more rationally.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but now it seems like you’re arguing for golddiggers. This just gets better and better.

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  303. on August 6, 2010 at 11:24 am AGUARDIENTE ANTIOQUEÑO SIN AZÚCAR

    Older white males are not given the status with 19 year old American 10s in Manhattan as they are given in other cultures

    i see “given” dox vexex in this sentence; entonces i gather that you feel … entitlement?

    perhaps you could earn this status, then, and quit being such a bitcheño

    besides
    if your standing with esas dime pieces es lower than the corresponding standing of lox indigentex y borrachox ANTIOQUEÑOX de medellín, then el mundo is working properly

    at least you’re still higher than lox putox bogo77anox!!

    P.S. Vamos Medellin?

    sí!! el dim!! el equipo y hinchada de lox indigentex y borrachox ANTIOQUEÑOX de medellín!!
    dale rojo dale dale dale

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  304. Silver fox,

    if you’re really high status Wall.St.why do you continually mention small monetary amounts that you spend on dates?I mean, if you’re rolling in it, a $12 drink or $50 lunch is like pennies to you, right?

    It just makes you look like a loser.

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  305. AGUARDIENTE,

    perhaps you could earn this status, then, and quit being such a bitcheño

    LOL.

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  306. Google the Chateau posts about male:female ratios.

    He has often written in macro terms (regions) and in terms of what it is like at a “sausage party”.

    1:1 is not ideal for men. It needs to be much better than that.

    Abitrage is the key to a great life.

    Arbitrage career-wise means you find an advantage and earn money from it.

    Arbitrage in social life means you find an advantage so you aren’t the one watching porn…the other guy is.

    You leave sausage parties to find venues where men are outnumbered.

    If City A has a 1:1 ratio male-female and City B has a 1:2 ratio male-female, the smart men will move to City B.

    Even the best women move to regions where they outnumber men because they don’t respect the men who are willing to take a 1:1 ratio.

    In Alaska where I spent one week, the best looking 18 year old women were dying to graduate from high school and leave. I asked “But you have such a great ratio of men to women here”. They scoffed at that.

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  307. @Esteri

    No mention of gold-diggers. If you have a Marxist feminist view of Eastern Europe, that is your problem.

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  308. The idea of white middle aged men “earning status” in general with women 18-25 in Manhattan (as opposed to the Sex in the City women)…is something for this blog and other new media to do, to fight off 40 years of Marxist feminism and the US social conservative tendency to tell men to date their own age.

    The Spanish-speaking joker who thinks she’s making some kind of point above is only really pointing out that the current cultural setup in the New York area is for women that age to date men their own age.

    I have dated in Manhattan at a 20 year age difference, but it is much more difficult than, say, in Moscow. And the women in Moscow have richer families these days so it is not “desperation” but culture that makes the difference.

    Smart PUAs operate where the grass really is greener.

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  309. @Lily

    “It really is a shame about prenups in Britain, I really hope it changes.”

    Marriage is nothing more than a contract, like marriage a prenuptial agreement is also a contract.

    Since marriage by definition supersedes a prenuptial agreement, unless the marriage contract explicitly includes the preceding prenuptial obligations, they are nullified by the marriage agreement.

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  310. Jerry,

    This has nothing to do with my view of Eastern Europe, and everything to do with your comment:

    In Eastern Europe you will not see many 10s dating extremely poor guys from Harlem.

    (Well, first of all this is likely to not happen because Eastern Europe and Harlem are, erm, 5000 miles apart, but let’s not nitpick.) What I assume you are trying to say is that hot girls do not date poor guys.

    Thus we can conclude that, in your world, hot girls date rich guys.

    I resented the fact that Marxist feminism in New York City had so many women 18-22 dating guys that were my opposites on the socio-economic scale.

    So, in other words, you resented the fact that girls in NYC chose their guys based on something other than class/wealth.

    I chose to date in non-feminist societies where women choose men more rationally.

    This sounds like you wanted women to “rationally” choose men based on class/wealth, NOT alpha-status aka “gina tingles,” am I correct?

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  311. Cannon’s Canon

    That me up there was not moi.That me is a man. What a cowinkydink, that me is from Van City too!

    New York is still not in my travel plans. Nope!

    Your Gorb comment was funny! 😛

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  312. Jerry,

    Older white males are not given the status with 19 year old American 10s in Manhattan as they are given in other cultures.

    First of all, status is rarely “given.” If you are sitting around thinking that you are entitled to a harem of young hotties just because you are an older white man, then yeah, AGUARDIENTE is right–you need to go out and get status and stop being a little bitch about it.

    Second of all, how do older men (white or not) earn status. Money/power. If you are old (I have no idea how old you are, but you seem quite a bit older), then this is what you bring to the table. It can be assumed with almost 110% accuracy that girls are not fucking you because you’re hot. They’re fucking you because you have money. Or power.

    At the end of the day, if a 19 year old is doing it with a 65 year old…it’s not game, it’s not “gina tingles,” it’s not “pure status,” it’s cash. Sorry to burst that bubble.

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  313. Esteri knocking the shyte outta old wannabe polygamous geezer…

    Lovin’ it.

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  314. @Esteri

    At least you’re not using the language of feminists now.

    But you are still using the logic of feminists.

    Yes, in the same venue if a poor dude from Harlem ever beat me out for a white 10, I would concede victory to him over me and want to ask him for lessons.

    I’ve never seen anything like that happen, however.

    What I saw on that one rare occasion was off in the distance and I could only imagine where she was hanging out to meet him. Kudos to him for finding her and getting her. But, if beyond any type of Alpha behavior on his part, his “type” had been marketed by the media to her, damn the media for doing that at the expense of other types of males, who would be just as alpha if she were to have shown up where they hang out instead of the dives she was taught by her Marxist professors to hang out in.

    In most cases in Manhattan, I would be the one who got the best looking woman in the room to hang with me.

    However, don’t go defending a Marxist feminist culture where rich older white dudes are actively derided and young women are told not to date the patriarchy.

    Men with good driving skills fly to Milan to buy Ferraris.

    Men with good social skills fly to Moscow to date Russians.

    They can do just fine with a Ford Escort and Samantha from Sex in the City, but they chose not to.

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  315. But you are still using the logic of feminists

    Oh, am I, now? Look, I have no problem with you running off to Russia to pick up Russian girls. But you said it yourself–you did so because you feel that these Eastern European girls “choose men more rationally.”

    You say it again here:

    However, don’t go defending a Marxist feminist culture where rich older white dudes are actively derided and young women are told not to date the patriarchy.

    Obviously, you want “rich older white dudes” to be elevated in status, correct? You want females to be told that it is okay to date “rich older white dudes,” correct?

    You are aware that when females go for rich guys, it is usually because they are rich, correct? You say right there that you think wealth should be a reason for women to go for you.

    Yet, if a girl were to say something like, “I only date rich guys,” would this entire board not jump all over her for being a gold-digger? Look, if you think you are entitled to female attention because you have money, that’s absolutely fine. No problem with it at all.

    But at least own up to the fact that what you are offering these girls is money. And thus, the girls who are taking it…are likely gold-diggers. If you have no problem with that, man, more power to the both of you. A win-win situation, if you will.

    Also, perhaps you should read up on the definition of “Marxist” and stop throwing around terms that make absolutely zero sense.

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  316. Men with good driving skills fly to Milan to buy Ferraris.

    Haha, what nonsensical point are you trying to make here? Men with good driving skills don’t buy Ferraris. Men with money buy Ferraris. And why the hell would you go to Milan to buy one, unless you were planning on staying there? I can’t even see the point you’re trying to make, because this statement is so retarded.

    Men with good social skills fly to Moscow to date Russians.

    Men with good social skills care naught about how women feel about their “status” and “wealth.”

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  317. @Esteri

    I could have sworn you were a radical feminist until those last two posts. Now it just seems you just have a poor man’s view of what it means to be a PUA, but you haven’t stated your gender.

    You still think like a Marxist and use the feminist tactic of pretending that what I am saying about the US culture is not very common on this blog including many of these posts.

    It is also a feminist tactic to say that men who discuss what they’ve done to the USA are “whining”.

    You need to read more of this blog to understand that.

    No, I am still in my 40s and, no, its not money that gets me women but mostly behavior, including knowledge that is much prized by women in this part of the world (as well as in the USA).

    Money sure helps get 9s and 10s, however, no matter how old a man is.

    The Spanish freak was using a feminist tactic of pretending one was talking about a micro-event instead of an example of a macro-trend. I said that I moved away from the type of city, New York, where 19 year old 10s were very rare and very likely to have been taught by their women’s studies professors to deliberately seek out minority males.

    I can discuss some cases of Gamma male who belonged to minority groups (Muslim for instance) who were dating white 9s where the woman admitted to me that she was dating the Gamma because she wanted to stick it to the patriarchy.

    It is bullshit in many cases to say that the Muslim exchange student dating the white 9 at a Marxist university is doing so because he has game.

    It is just as often because she was taught specifically not to date members of the patriarchy.

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  318. @Esteri

    Everyone knows that Russian and East European women choose men more rationally than the average Marxist educated American feminist woman.

    It discredits you that you haven’t launched into an essay against US and UK feminism.

    No, the women in this region value education and knowledge much more than money.

    I have the education and knowledge that many are taught at a very young age to crave.

    Among properly brought up American women, the same advantages apply…albeit I still have to face the prejudices many Americans have against men in their 40s.

    It is, in fact, Marxist to pretend that women in this region care more about money than American women do.

    You still haven’t stated your gender or region.

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  319. Note that I’m not saying you’re in Russia (or wherever you are) because you have no social skills. I have no idea where you lie on the social skill spectrum, I am only making reasonable conclusions from the statements you’ve made thus far on the board.

    YOU say that you are in Russia (or wherever you are) because women are “more rational.”

    “Rational” means reasonable/sensible. So when you say that these women are choosing mates “rationally” you say they are choosing mates with more reason/sensibility and less emotion.

    Choosing a mate because he is very wealthy is incredibly sensible.

    Choosing a mate because he has a lot of “game” and/or social skills is not sensible in the least–how will these social skills benefit you/your future children? Will these social skills provide for your family? Moreso than money? Likely not.

    So you are saying that you are in Russia (or wherever you are) because women are more likely to choose you for your status/wealth and NOT for your social skills.

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  320. AHE

    my point about good looking guys wasting it like rich kids was: wouldnt they get even hotter pussy if they were good looking and jerks? sure, george clooney may not have to be, but most every other guy, however goodlooking, could stand to up their game.

    Clooney has plenty of arrogance. And he has refused to marry any of his gf’s, who no doubt wanted him to.

    The answer is yes. Don’t listen to Lily on this. She’s a girl.

    And yes, in this case it fatally flaws her judgment. She likes it when pretty boys cripple themselves a good bit in the peak hottness of the girls they can get. Makes them attainable for Lily.

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  321. I think the point that Jerry is trying to make is punk ass is considered more alpha here than in say Eastern Europe. I don’t think gangsta is required for Asian babes either. The US has adopted some of the African krumping culture. There is also a difference between gold digging and avoiding the destitute. There is a small practical consideration at work.

    It is also a rather worn in the rug response that all men flee to foreign women because they cannot do well with American women. Sure, for men who don’t do well here is it surprising they are looking for a solution? Do we blame them? However it is also true that ice cream shops have many different flavors of ice cream because some people have different tastes; and now, we can taste it. It sure tastes good. American women are a little too vanilla or muffin top dough for my tastes.

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  322. Actually, the statement that men who fly to Milan to buy Ferraris cannot be accused of having bad social skills is a common one used to explain to American feminists (and their apologists) that they are like Ford Escorts and there is nothing wrong with American men flying elsewhere to find quality…or dating a non-feminist exchange student in the USA.

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  323. chi-town,

    I’m not saying that Jerry-in-Eastern-Europe is a bad thing. Whatever works for him, works. However, he does sound like a bitch when he thinks that “white men with money” should just be “given” status.

    No problem if he doesn’t like American women because of his preferences or whatever. However, he admits, quite plainly, that he doesn’t like American women because they are not as impressed by his wealthy white-guy status as, presumably, his girls in Eastern Europe are.

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  324. Actually, the statement that men who fly to Milan to buy Ferraris cannot be accused of having bad social skills is a common one used to explain to American feminists (and their apologists) that they are like Ford Escorts and there is nothing wrong with American men flying elsewhere to find quality…or dating a non-feminist exchange student in the USA.

    Yeah, that was a pretty bad analogy. You should come up with a new one.

    Also, this would work if you had left America because you thought all the American girls were ugly fatties.

    But you supposedly left America because American girls weren’t impressed by your older white wealth.

    Keep the story straight, hmm?

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  325. @Esteri

    Things are slowed down because of moderation delays and that is why we’re talking past each other, but this conversation long ago left the discussion of polygamy.

    No, the upper middle class, highly educated Russian and East European women value knowledge more than money and game is probably more important here than it is in the USA where money plays a larger role. But that is a generalization. What is not a generalization is the fact that feminism has made dating in modern America really weird compared to dating outside the anglo world.

    I am right there with anyone who would want to game some American women at Key West over Christmas however. I love American women.

    There is no need to discuss intra-PUA class war issues. 😉

    If a poor guy can beat me fair and square for a hottie, I will want to take lessons from him.

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  326. @Esteri

    “Actually, Eastern European countries do have a low male to female ratio…in the 65+ age range. In the 65+ age range, the male to female ratio is about 1:2. But I will, perhaps ignorantly, assume that Jerry is not talking about the excess of sexy 65 year old Eastern European women.”

    What you don’t understand is there are fewer 40-60 year old men. They compete for the same women. Its another reason why you see this trend. You are looking at the wrong demographic. That means fewer are competing for the 20 and 30 year old women. 40+ year old women have very little attention at all. For the kind of woman that likes older men, there is a shortage of them. Their liver is gone by their 50s.

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  327. @Esteri

    “I’m not saying that Jerry-in-Eastern-Europe is a bad thing. Whatever works for him, works. However, he does sound like a bitch when he thinks that “white men with money” should just be “given” status. ”

    Why do you care that Jerry wants to be in a place where he is consider a hot item? Why fish in troubled waters? You can have an expensive bass boat with sonar but you won’t catch a thing in your bathtub. It makes sense to go where you excel doesn’t it?

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  328. @Esteri

    No, I left the USA mainly because the *parents* and *friends* of American-born women 18-22 were prone to try to convince a woman not to continue dating me if they found out my real age.

    I was doing quite well where I wasn’t meeting the parents or friends.

    And it was all about age to them. Even 35 was too old for a 22 year old in many minds.

    Money isn’t really an issue but I made an excellent point that many young American women are trained by their women’s studies professors to seek out relationships with poor males who have no power nor any real game.

    I have had American women *tell* me that they are dating the guy they are with because they want to make a statement against the older white patriarchy.

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  329. Jerry,

    I’m no longer talking about polygamy, are you? Sorry if there was some misunderstanding.

    Also, please keep your story straight.

    Either you think that Eastern European girls are more “rational” and give “white guys with money” more status, or you don’t.

    This has nothing to do with what I think of Eastern Europe, or America, or women, or anything for that matter. I’m simply responding to what you’ve been saying.

    Of course, your logic trajectory has been pretty much all over the place. First you want polygamy, then you say neither of your girlfriends would go for it (how is polygamy to benefit you then? If they were forced into it?). Then you give a story about how you saw a 10 with a poor black guy, and say that women in Eastern Europe are more likely to choose guys “rationally,” and now you say money matters a lot in America. Whether money matters or not, the fact remains that your little anecdote is only “proof” that money does not matter in America.

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  330. chi-town

    Why do you care that Jerry wants to be in a place where he is consider a hot item? Why fish in troubled waters? You can have an expensive bass boat with sonar but you won’t catch a thing in your bathtub. It makes sense to go where you excel doesn’t it?

    Wow, really? What part of:

    I’m not saying that Jerry-in-Eastern-Europe is a bad thing. Whatever works for him, works.

    is not making sense to you?

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  331. @Esteri

    I agree with you on ploygamy. If some old fart was hogging all the women, I’d kill em. That means its get bloody, or I am some ruthlessly indoctrinated victim of an authoritarian society. Too late for me, I am past brain washing age and I be a gun slinging in that society.

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  332. @Esteri

    “Wow, really? What part of:

    I’m not saying that Jerry-in-Eastern-Europe is a bad thing. Whatever works for him, works.

    is not making sense to you?”

    Follow up with one of the tenets of this forum. We don’t believe a word of what women say, and in particular when it is at odds with what they are doing. You are going through his posts like airport security.

    ^
    That part

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  333. chi-town,

    If you cannot understand that “I’m not saying that Jerry-in-Eastern-Europe is a bad thing” implies “I don’t care that Jerry is in Eastern Europe and maybe even think that it is good,” or that “Whatever works for him works,” means “If he is successful where he is, then GOOD FOR HIM,” you cannot read English.

    Follow up with one of the tenets of this forum. We don’t believe a word of what women say, and in particular when it is at odds with what they are doing. You are going through his posts like airport security.

    Nowhere, as Jerry pointed out, have I stated that I am a woman. Just because I don’t believe polygamy is a great thing for society doesn’t mean that I’m automatically female.

    The reason I’m going through Jerry’s posts is because we are in conversation. I’m sure I could ignore all of the contradictions he puts forth, but what would be the point of engaging him, then? I’m curious as to his rational for his beliefs, especially since every other post he makes says something completely different.

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  334. @Esteri

    Regardless of class warfare issues, rationality in mating is still higher among non-feminists.

    You still haven’t stated your gender, region and view of American feminism.

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  335. *rationale

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  336. @Jerry

    The reason why the “natural” age gap is so broken in the US is due to idiotic statutory rape laws, where an 18 year old man “rapes” a 17 year old girl and the co-ed education system which promotes a steady diet of same age intimacy. So essentially until about the mid 20s, same age relationships are institutionalized. Its one reason why so few men have success because most men are not attractive to women who are the same age. Only a few are. Historically there was a natural 5-10 year age gap.

    If you notice, the worst relations between the sexes occur at the same age. Older women are motherly to younger men. Men are used to that dynamic. Younger women look up to and respect older men while older men are turned on to them. When its the same age, women are bitchy and the men just can’t take their peers seriously.

    That is why cougars and young men actually work for flings and LTRs work for older men and younger women.

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  337. Regardless of class warfare issues, rationality in mating is still higher among non-feminists.

    I agree with this. Nowhere did I say that “rationality” was a bad thing or a feminist thing. Only did I say that “rationality in mating” usually pertains to women choosing men for their wealth/status and NOT their game/social skills. Plenty of guys on this very forum lament the fact that their high-status jobs are not necessarily netting them the majority of American women. Lots of betas are pissed that being a good provider is not what American women want.

    And yes, plenty of women outside of America are looking for men who can and will provide. However, to say that this does not denote somewhat of a gold-digging approach to mate choice is, quite simply, stupid. That’s NOT A BAD THING. All throughout history, men have brought the money and women have brought the fertility. It is natural for men to be viscerally repelled by the idea of a gold-digger. But at the end of the day, that’s what it is–THAT IS ALL. In fact, if more American women were satisfied with men who could provide, more American (beta) men would be happy.

    You still haven’t stated your gender, region and view of American feminism.

    This is correct.

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  338. @Laura

    How can there be 7 women for every man in Eastern Europe?

    While the ratio is 50:50 as elsewhere, the average American is wealthier than the average Eastern European, and wealth creates its own Alphaness.

    It means that an average older guy on a US pension can retire there, and have a decent shot at younger pretty women, if he keeps his eyes open and doesn’t get screwed.

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  339. @Esteri

    We don’t seem to disagree much here.

    I have to go to the beach for the weekend.

    Have a great weekend yourself.

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  340. It may be that the ratio is here is the same, but it sure doesn’t seem that way and even the local men here pridefully boast about not wanting to ever leave the region because the women are so beautiful.

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  341. Jerry,

    Cool. Cheers.

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  342. @Esteri

    What I said:
    “We don’t believe a word of what women say,”

    Do you read English? That’s the question. AKA, I don’t buy it.

    “The reason I’m going through Jerry’s posts is because we are in conversation. I’m sure I could ignore all of the contradictions he puts forth, but what would be the point of engaging him, then? I’m curious as to his rational for his beliefs, especially since every other post he makes says something completely different.”

    Because that’s female. You are focused on his socialization and are trying to reach conversational affinity rather than trying to win an argument. If you focused more on the argument, then I would believe you. Again, you tell me you did not say you were female when it all points to a female style of approach. I think you do care.

    “Actually, Eastern European countries do have a low male to female ratio…in the 65+ age range. In the 65+ age range, the male to female ratio is about 1:2. But I will, perhaps ignorantly, assume that Jerry is not talking about the excess of sexy 65 year old Eastern European women.”

    The above is obviously an attempt to scuddle ideas of a voyage across the Atlantic. Your comments to “understand English” and cutsie false factoids do not hide it. I made the correct interpretation based on the actual social dynamic. Its the missing men that are the issue, not the older women. You have tended to use a tinker toy style of argument, and your use of erzatz logic does remind me of of the archipelago of Lesbos. I mean no offense, but that is what my gender filters are collecting.

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  343. on August 6, 2010 at 1:31 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Esteri
    Actually, the statement that men who fly to Milan to buy Ferraris cannot be accused of having bad social skills is a common one used to explain to American feminists (and their apologists) that they are like Ford Escorts and there is nothing wrong with American men flying elsewhere to find quality…or dating a non-feminist exchange student in the USA.

    Yeah, that was a pretty bad analogy. You should come up with a new one.

    Also, this would work if you had left America because you thought all the American girls were ugly fatties.

    But you supposedly left America because American girls weren’t impressed by your older white wealth.

    Keep the story straight, hmm?
    ”””””””””’
    Really a kind dude has to leave rather than feel like he would have to be able to kill a bitch at any time for fucking trying to enslave him because of the laws of the west. With my woman here I can have some meaure of peace in my soul that if we were to split up we could just split up with nobody getting involved. It is between us and god to make the shit work or not.

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  344. The analogy is

    A long walk for butter from the udder is better than a local fatty tranny.

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  345. on August 6, 2010 at 1:47 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””on cooking””””

    Think about it like this. If you can cook like I mean really cook not just put a steak on a grill and eat the thing. You are showing woman that at some point in your life you didn’t either have the bitch to do it or couldn’t afford to eat out. It is just fucking all around going to make you have a touch of the ghey.

    Sure I could get a recipe follow it and make the shit but that is not my fucking job.

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  346. @Jerry,

    Polygamy is shit for almost all men. And polygamous societies are shit for virtually everyone. Alpha males have to be uber-powerful and rich and crush other males beneath them to survive. The obligations for polygamous males are enormous.

    I don’t know where you get this shite.

    You haven’t thought about this at all and Esteri has completely pnwed you.

    Keep your girls – but don’t believe that polygamy would be any kind of improvement for you.

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  347. Gorbachev–

    China is an interesting case. Try getting divorced there. Want unfair? Have gangsters set on you by your ex-wife’s family and have the courts hand over everything you have or ever will have to her. You think the American system is unfair.

    Why can’t the husband if he has more connections pull this in reverse, so that he leaves her with nothing?

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  348. on August 6, 2010 at 1:55 pm gunslingergregi

    Course when somone thinks it takes 200 million to get a ten in west then you know something ain’t right lol

    So I guess at 17 I was worth 200 million.

    Dam natural game owns.

    Although yea ok she probably did make me feel like I had 200 million.

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  349. @Doug1
    Gorbachev–

    China is an interesting case. Try getting divorced there. Want unfair? Have gangsters set on you by your ex-wife’s family and have the courts hand over everything you have or ever will have to her. You think the American system is unfair.

    Why can’t the husband if he has more connections pull this in reverse, so that he leaves her with nothing?

    He could – but the women often have family members who will back them up more fiercely. I don’t know why, but the stories (two I know of) of women whose families used the system and the, ah, extra-legal system, to basically destroy the men who got divorced are legendary and litany.

    The men are often left out in the cold, and blamed. China has a seriously huge amounts of “Male White Knightism”, officially, and naturally, it has Marxist Feminism in ways that can only be dreamed of in the US. There, though, it’s class-based. Divorced men are often blamed and hugely shamed; after the fact, traditional Chinese culture may look at women as garbage for being divorced, but during the process, the men are often seen as villains. Chinese women are nothing to be messed with: More to the point, their families know how to milk the system.

    When you’re getting divorced, these Communists State-Monopolist social survivors know how to milk a system, and when you get divorced, the man is nothing but the fat pinata in the system, ready to be beaten to death.

    Often, you just make a huge payout to the woman’s family to get them to leave you alone. Fabrications of abuse, claims of infidelity, claims of sexual depravity, “Innocent Little Girl”-ism, etc. – it all hits home and the conservative White Knight-ists all fall for it.

    One story I knew of personally: Woman marries guy. The third meeting was when she showed up with her friend and she and her friend had sex with the guy. A year after a relationship ensued, they were married. She decided she wanted another guy, took several lovers (all handsome/daring/bold/Bad Boys), and then he asked her to stop seeing them.
    She got upset, left him. Incidents followed: Her family stole his car; broke into his investment condo and stole everything (right down to the wiring); smashed his office up; paraded the girl as a sexual abuse victim; called him out as a cheater and liar (he never cheated); when he refused to give in, thugs followed him and threatened him, always saying, “You know what you need to do!”, etc.–

    And when he told the courts this, they nailed him for contempt and for slagging the reputation of a young girl, making it harder for her to marry again.

    The white-knighting in the system prevented him from doing anything about it. If he tried bribing, and failed, the consequences would have been worse – he would have been buried.

    The rich are a different class and never suffer from the law, usually; but the middle and lower classes, the men are little better than tools and functions and get raped.

    So before you complain about the US – consider China and the nightmare, the visceral terrifying nightmare, that divorce can be.

    OH – and forget ever seeing your kids again. *Ever*.

    It’s often grandparents who fight in that case, for access to their grandkids.

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  350. Jerry–

    Texas already has a law that says men do not have to pay more than $1000 total child support for the total amount of children they might have sired.

    I seriously doubt that. Link please.

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  351. Gorbachev–

    Marxism.

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  352. on August 6, 2010 at 2:28 pm gunslingergregi

    All these artificialy constructed societies. Poor bastards.

    hence my saying life ain’t worth it.

    I guess why soyleant green type shit isn’t encouraged who the fuck would stay.

    But yea it is interesting to see a place that is relatively free eye opening for sure.

    But even they oppress someone.

    I guess humanity just gets there fucking rocks off beating down anyone who doesn’t live like they live and is happy.

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  353. chi-town,

    The above is obviously an attempt to scuddle ideas of a voyage across the Atlantic. Your comments to “understand English” and cutsie false factoids do not hide it. I made the correct interpretation based on the actual social dynamic. Its the missing men that are the issue, not the older women.

    Um, no. The majority of Eastern European countries have a 1:1 ratio of men to women up to the age of 65. 65+ men are not generally a threat when it comes to younger women (sorry, they just aren’t) and thus the severe lack of men aged 65+ does very little to affect the dating market.

    Fact: most of the world exists on a 1:1 male to female ratio. Deal with it. It is virtually impossible to engineer a society in which this is not the case. Even if you kill all of the men and you, yourself, single-handedly impregnate all of the women, the next generation will yield you a 1:1 ratio of males to females.

    Jerry’s assumption that a 1:1 ratio of males to females is a “harsh” condition is false. Obviously a 1+:1 ratio of males to females would be “harsh,” while a 1:1+ ratio of males to females would be easier.

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  354. Gorbachev–

    And when he told the courts this, they nailed him for contempt and for slagging the reputation of a young girl, making it harder for her to marry again.

    The white-knighting in the system prevented him from doing anything about it. If he tried bribing, and failed, the consequences would have been worse – he would have been buried.

    I’m very skeptical of what you’re saying. About the power of women over men in China. You’re the ONLY one I’ve heard that from. I suspect you were letting what girls you met/shagged told you to build up the seeming power of women in China (so don’t mess with them) warp your impression.

    That is I’d imagine it’s who’s better connected.

    I will say though that in any society in which a woman can sleep with other men and if the husband finds out he has no power or recourse that isn’t ruinous to him, it’s absolutely idiotic for men to marry in that society.

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  355. It’s unfortunate that an elementary level of statistical understanding is lacking on this board.

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  356. Doug,

    I’m very skeptical of what you’re saying. About the power of women over men in China. You’re the ONLY one I’ve heard that from. I suspect you were letting what girls you met/shagged told you to build up the seeming power of women in China (so don’t mess with them) warp your impression.

    This is not about the power of women over men, it’s about the power of men over men when it comes to their daughters/sisters/wives.

    It is true that in China men will get taken for everything. Men are terribly expendable in China, these days, as there is an excess of males. Although one could argue that women are expendable, since the excess of males stems from the one-child policy.

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  357. @Dream Puppy
    @ Gorb AH! Gangnam-gu!!! I lived very near there. Yes you are right. The girls, and the younger guys are very cute. The girls are not stick figures either, just smaller boned. It’s a shame they are importing our way of eating. The little kids look to have a much higher rate of obesity than the young adults I saw.

    Well, they’re still hotter than the surface of the sun, these days. Basically any girl is take-homeable. If the proportion is 20% – 80% Hot/Not in the US, maybe 25%-75% in NYC, maybe 30%-70% in Miami, then it’s 70%-30% in Seoul. Tokyo is about 50%-50%, but the top 10% in Tokyo and Seoul are drop-dead knockouts on par with Eastern Europe, easily. I prefer white girls, but these Asian women truly know what they’re doing.

    They max out attractive and man-catching whenever they can. There’s *NO* self-esteem for the fat or ugly. The object is to increase your market value as much as possible, all the time.
    The result: A lot of stressed-out ladies, but a lot of very beautiful stressed-out ladies.

    And yes many of the white girls HATED korean girls. It was palpable. They are just bitter that their odds of meeting a guy was greatly diminished.

    Like, almost Zero.

    My husband always said, it’s not that guys love Asian girls….they don’t like FAT girls.

    It’s so sad.
    The Aussie girls, and the NZers and Canadians, had a hard time; but for some reason, the Americans and Brits had the hardest time of all. The British girls were both fat and all had weird teeth and just weren’t proportional or pretty; the American girls were all huge and fat.

    If you checked out online ads, as several Korean guys I knew often did, looking for free sex, the online sphere was filled with quite fat *black* women who wrote the most distressing and sad advertisements: Pussies that had seen no action since they got off the airplane.

    And the white American women – if they weren’t fat, they acted like they were QUEENS. Picky, snobby, full of themselves. In their home market, they were queens.
    In Korea, they were also-rans. The Korean girls were universally hotter, more available, juicier, and ironically had *better* proportions than the white girls.

    Contrary to what lots of outsiders think, Korean women can be very curvy – lots of fine booty and breasts. Some of it was fake, but lots of it wasn’t – no more fakery than LA, and the quality of the work was twice as good.

    And few women anywhere have finer asses than Korean women. It’s the Brazil of Asia. Seriously, …

    White women were just left by the side of the road there as various kinds of discarded trash.

    These fat women would have the same thing done to them *here* – or should have – except that this whole damned country is obese to the point of spontaneous explosions.

    If any young girls reading this blog don’t fret. I lived in Korea when I was 21 for a few years and I loved it. I bagged my WASP husband there 🙂 and had an excellent time- made many friends. It is actually a wonderful opportunity to date guys from all over the Aglosphere- guys like all cute girls, i never had an issue. just don’t expect to be fat and bitchy and be able to bag your usual betas. They are alpha by virtue of whiteness.

    You must have been a catch. If you were a cute girl, then you probably had the chance to score well: any white guy who wanted a white GF had virtually no-one to choose from (no cute white women to choose from).

    Good for you.

    The fat/bitchy women who act like queens here were unhorsed by the pitchforks of brutal Sexual Market Dynamics over there. It was amazing to watch.

    Every time I was with female co-workers from a Western country (not Russia – Russians there are all prostitutes, so the stereotype goes, *well-paid* prostitutes, and well-appreciated by the elite, and all hot), every time I was with a Western woman, and mentioned a Korean GF, there was a bit of a grimace and usually a comment of some kind. Snide, usually.

    The Less Than Zero sexual market value of fat/bitchy Western women there really sat on them like lead weights. It was a serious come-uppance.

    I’m sure not a few feminist screeds came out of the experiences of these women when they returned home.

    @Andrew I am very sorry about your suffering. You should go to Asia but remember they’re still human. There’s plenty of bitches and cheaters (my friend told me a story of his long term gf saying- “ok well this has been fun, but now i have to marry my Korean boyfriend- lol)

    This was as common as mud. You’re not supposed to marry them, unless you find a truly remarkable one.

    and golddiggers…it’s just that your odds are much better there and you can discard any chick that has a bad personality for the 10 others that will be in line.

    Note to men: The 10 others in line (all hotter than what you’ll get at home) is no exaggeration. Seriously. It sounds like it – but it’s not.

    If you marry- DO NOT let your woman get the “ajumma perm”- just trust me. It turns a cute 35 year old into a matronly 55 year old.

    Ah, the Ajumma uniform. Hehehe. I still see them going on educational tours to the US.

    Are you fat? If so, your chances are greatly diminished. A couple of guys I knew were fat and they had a hard time meeting girls.

    Fatness was a definite disadvantage, though less so there. If you’re not fat, the place is a Poon Factory. You can even meet really, really *nice* GF’s that make you want to bring them home. And the Koreans are a lot safer than other Asians this way (as long as you’re a master at passing shit tests).

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  358. “The majority of Eastern European countries have a 1:1 ratio of men to women up to the age of 65”

    any links to back that up?

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  359. @Doug1
    Gorbachev–

    Marxism.

    Exactly.

    Much, much worse in its native home (in this case, China), than even at our worst colleges.

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  360. namae nanka,

    Since you obviously have access to Wikipedia, please go ahead and take it upon yourself to look at the table of countries listed by sex ratio. You will find that there is a .9+ male to female ratio in all Eastern European countries for the age group of 15 – 64, and that it is the portion of the population that is 65+ which skews the data.

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  361. Am i the only girl that have a fetish for Asian looking men? i think they are extremely handsome when they reach my height.

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  362. If men hate having so many other men around they should stop wanting sons.

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  363. @Doug1

    Gorbachev–

    The white-knighting in the system prevented him from doing anything about it. If he tried bribing, and failed, the consequences would have been worse – he would have been buried.

    I’m very skeptical of what you’re saying. About the power of women over men in China. You’re the ONLY one I’ve heard that from. I suspect you were letting what girls you met/shagged told you to build up the seeming power of women in China (so don’t mess with them) warp your impression.

    That is I’d imagine it’s who’s better connected.

    I will say though that in any society in which a woman can sleep with other men and if the husband finds out he has no power or recourse that isn’t ruinous to him, it’s absolutely idiotic for men to marry in that society.

    In the cases I saw, the men had no way to prove the women slept around; and all women think men fuck around, so just the allegation is usually enough to settle it.

    The better connections almost always fall to the women’s families. The sons are often very Beta, remember; they usually fold.

    The vats majority of the men I knew were terrified of divorce. The women may lose their social status; but the men, if they don’t have the right connections, can be destroyed permanently. And in China, that means: No job, no passport (often), no means of support, living at home with mom and dad in your 40’s. Seriously.

    I’m not talking about the well-heeled Alpha Males in the big cities: I mean the middle classes in the suburbs.

    In the countryside, of course, it’s different – every province is a different world, and some are very conservative and patriarchal. But some villages and counties and whole provinces are like Queen Bee-hives.

    Communism and the ideology of Female Liberation has real power in China.

    To see the contrast, spend some time in Taiwan or HK or Singapore (admittedly, I spent little time in Singapore, but I knew lots of Singaporeans).

    The thing you should criticize me for:

    You can’t generalize shit about China. Anything you say about the place is true – somewhere.

    So you kind-of have me, there.

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  364. Asian men can be attractive. The problem is that so many of them are short. A lot of Mexicans are short also.

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  365. @Esteri

    Doug,

    I’m very skeptical of what you’re saying. About the power of women over men in China. You’re the ONLY one I’ve heard that from. I suspect you were letting what girls you met/shagged told you to build up the seeming power of women in China (so don’t mess with them) warp your impression.

    This is not about the power of women over men, it’s about the power of men over men when it comes to their daughters/sisters/wives.

    Yeah, this is what I was driving at: Out of necessity, the woman’s family will back her to the hilt and make everything out to be the man’s fault; the system, from the stories I heard and the general attitude of married guys that I knew, obliged the women’s families. They stood to lose the most social respect, so they were compensated the most. People felt sorry for them.

    The men – men in China are treated like cogs in a machine. One wears out? Chuck it. One acts up? Replace it. They’re not individual people, there. They’re just tools.

    Seriously, it’s a cruel and brutal life for a man in China. American males are whiny shits by comparison – we live like kings relatively speaking (on average). But for powerful men: China is better. It’s more raw that way.

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  366. Guns,
    “How do you think feminism killed him?”

    I think to a point feminism killed him. It seems to happen quite often here in the states when a man cheats compared to the rest of the world, no? Feminism has taught woment that when a man is unfaithful you take him for all he is worth, or you get back at him some other way. Take the Carrie Underwood song “Before he cheats” as just one of many examples. Basically, this song is telling women it’s ok to break the law and do something really bad to the man in your life if he screws around on you.

    So yes my Mom killed him, but I doubt he would have met the same fate anywhere else.

    Oh yeah, you’re a fucking D-Bag also.

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  367. @Laura

    Mexicans in America are not representative of Mexicans as a whole. We are blessed to receive the most indigenous and poorly educated lot, who also happen to be the shortest. Most Mexicans are mixed with Europeans and are therefore slightly taller.

    I prefer Argentinians were it not for the ridiculous hairstyles (hairbands? Seriously?) and affected accent. Shamaaaame Cheeeeee. But frankly I do not enjoy Latin American men. White girls don’t know how good they have it. Men in the anglosphere actually treat girls like equals and friends, not just an orifice and chef. My husband has conversations with my about finance and politics! He like, asks my opinion on things. It’s wild.

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  368. Okay. It was just something I noticed about the Mexicans I see doing landscaping in my area. I have met higher class Mexicans who looked significantly more European to me. I do get the impression that men in the anglosphere might be the best out there just because women in other countries do seem to like them. I guess they do generally treat women well.

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  369. Dream Puppy,
    “Are you fat? If so, your chances are greatly diminished. A couple of guys I knew were fat and they had a hard time meeting girls.”

    I’m about 6’2 236 lbs. I was about 300 lbs at one time, due to the prescription drugs I was taking, but my weight has gotten down quite a bit. As far as being a bigger guy over in Asia, I doubt it would hurt me to much as I still have some muscle and don’t look to sloppy. And I am pretty cute, which plays a lot better with the Asian girls than it does with the bad boy chasing women of Western countries.

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  370. Esteri–

    First of all I’m in favor of formal monogamy continuing as the rule of marriage in America.

    Monogamy, au contraire to what some of the deluded “alphas” may think, did not arise because women were demanding their rights (though it does benefit women, as well)–it arose because 95% of men don’t enjoy getting fucked over.

    You’re right about the effects of monogamy vs. polygamy.

    However you have no idea how it arose so don’t front. Yours is just a total just so story. Monogamy took hold in the West because it was the rule of the Greeks and of the Romans. The Romans probably got it from the Etruscans who originally came from the area of ancient Troy after it’s destruction by the Greeks of the Iliad and were within the Greek cultural sphere. Yeah there’s dna evidence re: the Etruscans now.

    Obligate monogamy was rare in the world outside the West until the period of Western cultural hegemony. At the same time the vast majority of all women in polygamous societies are in monogamous marriages. That’s true in most of the Middle East and N. Africa today as well. Not sure about Saudi Arabia or Kuwait with all that oil wealth very unequally distributed, and not exactly American marriage 2.0.

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  371. I mean sure monogamy in the west comes from the Greeks and Romans, but why did the greeks adopt it, and when?

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  372. Dream Puppy–

    White girls don’t know how good they have it. Men in the anglosphere actually treat girls like equals and friends, not just an orifice and chef. My husband has conversations with my about finance and politics! He like, asks my opinion on things. It’s wild.

    Yeah.

    But then we collectively let it get completely out of hand by allowing 2nd wave feminism to run hog wild, with their demands for more and more and more, all to feather their nests on the backs of American men. Who’ve along with the rest of the Anglosphere always (since Elizabethan times anyway) treated their women better than any other large culture of men.

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  373. Esteri

    “1:1” “majority”

    _!_

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  374. @AHE & Doug
    I really think we need a definite definition on what jerk and nice are 🙂

    I don’t see George Clooney as jerk behaviour, if he’s upfront with women that he’s not looking for a long term commitment or marriage, it is the decent and nice way to behave.

    And please note I was talking about a small subsection of men. There are some men who are *so* good looking that it’s a pretty moot point on whether they may attract more women if they act in a different way because they don’t appear to have any trouble attracting the hottest women already.

    @Doug. Alas, I would have no benefit on however they acted. I would stay well away thinking they were out of my league, especially when I was say 21 and they were 21-25. There is *no way* I would have even considered even trying to attract these guys in a romantic manner, they belong with female 9.5s and 10s, not me.

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  375. Andrew S.–

    Join a gym and pump iron three days a week, hard. Just three days, muscles need to recover and build during the off days. Walk or bicycle more in between.

    Get on a paleo type diet. Moderate amounts of protein sources, and veggies. Some fruits in moderate amount. Not orange juice, oranges. Avoid carbs as much as possible. Never have a carb side dish such as potato anything, rice, or pasta, etc. Chips are out. Avoid bread. Have salads with protein for lunch, not sandwiches. Turkey, ham, tuna, chicken, curried chicken, shrimp salads etc.

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  376. Andrew S.–

    The point abt building more muscle mass, and I’m not talking body builder here, is not just for their own sake. Muscles burn calories when you’re not exercising. Building muscles will also build testosterone.

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  377. @Esteri

    “Um, no. The majority of Eastern European countries have a 1:1 ratio of men to women up to the age of 65. 65+ men are not generally a threat when it comes to younger women (sorry, they just aren’t) and thus the severe lack of men aged 65+ does very little to affect the dating market.

    Fact: most of the world exists on a 1:1 male to female ratio. Deal with it. It is virtually impossible to engineer a society in which this is not the case. Even if you kill all of the men and you, yourself, single-handedly impregnate all of the women, the next generation will yield you a 1:1 ratio of males to females.”

    Um…err, you dot you I with an o I’ll bet. I don’t go “um”. I usually go “you are full of shit.” Its not about you though; its me.
    Its a cyclical phenomenon, not a generational atomic effect. The boys blow out their livers on vodka and zacusca.

    Here is a the life expectancy in Russia

    country comparison to the world: 160
    male: 59.54 years
    female: 73.17 years (2010 est.)

    Here is the life expectancy in the US

    total population: 78.24 years
    country comparison to the world: 49
    male: 75.78 years
    female: 80.81 years (2010 est.)

    See the spread? Many 50 year old men aren’t there to compete down the ranks thus there are more hot 40 year old women available which frees up more 30 year olds and so on.

    Here is the sex ratio

    Russia

    15-64 years: 0.92 male(s)/female
    65 years and over: 0.44 male(s)/female

    US
    15-64 years: 1 male(s)/female
    65 years and over: 0.75 male(s)/female

    So you are completely, um, wrong. I say “um” because I like you even though you are full of shit.

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  378. on August 6, 2010 at 9:39 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Andrew S.
    Guns,
    “How do you think feminism killed him?”

    I think to a point feminism killed him. It seems to happen quite often here in the states when a man cheats compared to the rest of the world, no? Feminism has taught woment that when a man is unfaithful you take him for all he is worth, or you get back at him some other way. Take the Carrie Underwood song “Before he cheats” as just one of many examples. Basically, this song is telling women it’s ok to break the law and do something really bad to the man in your life if he screws around on you.

    So yes my Mom killed him, but I doubt he would have met the same fate anywhere else.

    Oh yeah, you’re a fucking D-Bag also.

    ””””””””””””

    I offered to help you I wasn’t joking but yea I went through two years with a gun to my head after my dads divorce from my mom. So I know a little about pain. I asked my dad to kill me. I was actually pissed that he didn’t kill his family and just took it in the ass. So I have thought about the whole process. Your mom went out hard and she and your dad are probably talking about that shit with god. So they have no more pain more than likely. But yea dude it is gonna be hard to handle. I am not a psychologist they don’t do shit. Dbag maybe to you it was. But I have thought about shit like this for the last 17 years of my life. The pain will never go away but yea ya still need to live life if your gonna be here. Course if you got millions then realistically there ain’t no rush. I didn’t have shit so yea I had to actually fucking be forced to live the stupid ass fucking life.

    Agreed somewhat on your hypothesis for feminsm saying to take everything from someone for cheating.
    I also think men should be honest completely with woman so that shit like this don’t happen. Your dad fucked up. He paid a price. Your mom is a hard woman you have to respect her for that shit.

    Harder than I am. I couldn’t end my own pain.

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  379. @Andrew- take doug’s advice. go paleo and lift. will minimize your depression and you’ll look better, even if you do not lose weight.

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  382. Read and Heed. This is the type of person with rights to your kids, half your assets, your house and an 18-year tax-free option on a segment of your gross income… :

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1301392/One-minute-hes-Mr-Perfect-stand-sight-Do-I-LOVE-I-HATE-him.html

    Do I LOVE him or do I HATE him?
    One minute he’s Mr Perfect, the next, you can’t stand the sight of him

    By Lucy Taylor
    Last updated at 1:39 AM on 9th August 2010

    A few years ago I was embroiled in a long, frustrating and ultimately painful game of commitment tango with a tall, dark and handsome doctor.

    After several drunken snogs, we settled into a bizarre dance – tip-toeing around an intensely palpable, but undeclared chemistry. When he advanced, I retreated, and vice versa.

    One moment, I would feel overwhelming infatuation for him; the next, I’d find an insurmountable flaw.
    Love isn’t perfect: Experts believe one of the most confusing aspects of relationships is the contradictory feelings they evoke, and these can cause us to behave in ways that are not in their best self-interest

    Love isn’t perfect: Experts believe one of the most confusing aspects of relationships is the contradictory feelings they evoke

    This ridiculous pattern continued for more than three years until he, clearly having had enough of this tricky and illogical game, met someone else and married her within six months.

    I was heartbroken. ‘He was The One,’ I sobbed to my ever-patient friends. It was only when this man was no longer available that any trace of doubt evaporated and my feelings of undying love suddenly became crystal clear and all-consuming.

    All flaws were forgotten and he was transformed, in my screwed-up mind, into a God-like creature, a Mr Perfect.

    Embarrassingly, I spent the next three years or so pining for him, fantasising that his marriage wouldn’t last and that we would, eventually, enjoy a wonderful, conflict-free life together.

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  383. @mjay,

    You know it:

    Women just don’t know what attracts them to men. They’re not in touch with their inner bad girls.

    And when they are, they can’t admit it.

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  384. The fact is, If I were a female, I too would be living in complete denial of the nature and qualities of feminine sexuality. Think about it, I’d fantasize about a complete stranger approaching me in public and conning me into a date. I’d fantasize about him having money so I wouldn’t have to pay for anything. I’d want him to dominate his (and my) brothers in the field, I’d want others to fear him. Then, if everything ‘felt right’ I would lie on my back with my legs open and let him do whatever the fuck he wanted with my body. I would want him to sodomize me, I would ingest his seminal fluid etc.

    Nobody, male or female, would ever admit to being such a fundamentaly disgusting creature.

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  385. @mjay not only is that chick delusional, she writes as if she were on an acid trip. FAIL.

    “the next, I’d find an insurmountable flaw.”

    *THIS* is what gets me. What type of low IQ dingus would fail to understand that they too have their own “insurmountable flaws.”

    And what? Like she’s some prize? Why does she think she deserves someone perfect? Does she think *she’s* perfect? This woman’s head is so far up her ass she’s choking on it (think about it).

    Boooo!!! No es bueno.

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  386. @DEATH- ay come on……women are also nurturers and caregivers and gentle and sweet and goofy and funny and can be a great companion to a man. Unfortunately dumb hoes like Susan Brownmiller and Gloria Steinem have tricked us into forgoing our good qualities and to just become all Id, all the time. And you boys better take it! Or else (….you go to South American, Asia, and Eastern Europe 😉

    And something else to feminists who read this blog.

    Dear idiots,

    By shitting on stereotypically female characteristics and encouraging women to behave like men, you are actually disparaging women and exalting men. In your quest for feminism you have destroyed the feminine. Good job, assholes.

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  387. but women are Id, no ego, their super ego is just the rules to be followed in a society, not some moral compulsion. Since they don’t have a ego they can’t be congnizant of their own Id, like a fish in an ocean asking “what is an ocean”.
    Teach them what you want, but when they have the power they will simply follow where their sexual desire takes them, without themselves being aware of the fact. It’s just…natural.
    Even their illogic then makes sense.

    ennui in bedroom is more despairing than not having a man’s job.Feminism has helped in this, and thus, is the sole reason why it won’t die. There is too much at stake, even if the women don’t recognise themselves as feminist, this is simply too much to give up.

    The love/hate is necessary, man has to be the receiver of both or some other man would get one of them, and then follow it up with the other, and in due course, with the vagina.

    Of course the love of man is different; if only he could hate a little, let go of his tiny ideals for a moment….but it’s unnatural for him to do so and so he keeps giving up till he can’t give up anymore and she has had enough.

    The hate of indifference then surfaces and the man is puzzled by it as if he got up one morning and found his jaw missing. He is useless in the bed, but not as much out of it.

    The Id then seeks, not knowing what it wants but the urge to be fulfilled is too strong, the barriers placed before it are already too weak. They didn’t matter earlier, they don’t do now, it’s just that they are as easy to break down as licking something off a spoon and hence the dam overflows.

    A woman’s masculinity is make-believe, a mere reaction, sometimes to the femininity of her fellow creatures, sometimes to the femininity of the man in front of her. Weaker than a sand castle against a high-tide, as fleeting as the shapes you see for a moment when you rub your eyes too hard.

    So encouraging women to behave like men isn’t as bad, patriarchy had been oppressing them precisely by doing that, it’s encouraging men to behave feminine that’s fcking things up royally.
    Women are free, liberated and so is Id. Unless of course you are a mother of three with some remnants of morals, asking apple to remove any applications with nudity off their phones.

    Now, only if men could get the hang of it and learn when to have an erection and when not to. So what if she was drunk and you could see her panties, or the lack of it, through her flimsy excuse for a skirt, you shouldn’t have raped her.

    You should have got her a cab, or better still, dropped her off at home, tucked her in bed and then left without a word instead of seeing her hand on your penis as an invitation to have sex, you fking rapist.

    rapists the lot of you…

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  388. “So encouraging women to behave like men isn’t as bad, patriarchy had been oppressing them precisely by doing that, it’s encouraging men to behave feminine that’s fcking things up royally.”

    I think it is. Going against our nature creates anomie. Feminists hate women and men too. At least it makes sense- why else would they try to change how men and women behave and the whole incentive structure that our culture thrived on.

    I love having freedom of choice, but I am also intelligent enough to understand my nature. Unfortunately some women of lower intelligence eat all this feminist shit up and end up unhappy. It’s mean. I don’t like people who are mean.

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  389. on August 12, 2010 at 1:10 am gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Dream Puppy
    @DEATH- ay come on……women are also nurturers and caregivers and gentle and sweet and goofy and funny and can be a great companion to a man. Unfortunately dumb hoes like Susan Brownmiller and Gloria Steinem have tricked us into forgoing our good qualities and to just become all Id, all the time. And you boys better take it! Or else (….you go to South American, Asia, and Eastern Europe 😉

    And something else to feminists who read this blog.

    Dear idiots,

    By shitting on stereotypically female characteristics and encouraging women to behave like men, you are actually disparaging women and exalting men. In your quest for feminism you have destroyed the feminine. Good job, assholes.

    ”””””””””””

    There is only one problem. Woman in the us are not being encouraged to act like men. If that were the case there would be no child support no alimony no welfare no nothing. Just a woman and herself to back herself up. Period. Maybe police. But yea your not seeing woman being encouraged to be like men in any way shape or form.
    Men who get kids don’t seek any money from the woman normally they don’t care about the bitch anymore they only care about the kids and raising them. So yea big mutherfucking huge ass diference between an average man and almost any woman in us.

    But the us has been like this for more than 200 years this shit ain’t new of treating woman special because they are woman. This is most definetly not about woman being like men in even the slightest little tiny form.

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  390. on August 12, 2010 at 1:20 am gunslingergregi

    For instance dad got custody of my little sister in divorce. He went through a living hell in every posible way from my mom and still got custody. But yea he had no money and shit got locked of house never got his shit. But then proceeded to get a job and bought a house across the street from my mom so my mom would be able to see her daughter whenever she wanted. My mom was actually told to pay some miniscule child support which she never paid. But my dad didn’t give a fuck about that just wanted his daughter to have her mom available. Even though the mom had done some serious fucked up shit to him. So yea he then raises my sister as a single working dad getting no fucking help with rent or any other fucking money from system for free like a woman would. Then he fucking after my mom goes crazy probably because she realized what a fucking idiot she was. My dad takes care of her lieing stupid disgusting fucking ass in his house when she is at a horrible point in her life. So yea woman are being encouraged to not be anything like a fucking Man at all.
    Woman do not know fucking how to be a fucking man in any way shape or form. Not even the slightest fucking bit of manhood is being encouraged in todays woman.

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  391. on August 12, 2010 at 1:30 am gunslingergregi

    ””””’I love having freedom of choice, but I am also intelligent enough to understand my nature. Unfortunately some women of lower intelligence eat all this feminist shit up and end up unhappy. It’s mean. I don’t like people who are mean.

    ”””””””
    Choice? Of what to stay at home or not?
    Where is the encouragement to be a man there?
    What choice does a man have?
    See what I am saying about woman not even coming close to coming close to coming close to coming close to being like men.

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  392. Every bit of this was interesting.. But my one word question is, Why?

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  393. What most men (and women) don’t realize is that men and women have different definitions of “nice” and “jerk.” The man’s version of “nice” is equivalent to the woman’s version of “weak douchebag.” Whereas the man’s version of “jerk” is equivalent to the woman’s version of “strong man.”

    Same words, different languages. Once you see that, you’re golden.

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  394. […] retarded internet debate points, but her blurt has a kernel of truth. Dating advice columnists, a most loathsome breed, and marriage counselors are fond of telling the lovelorn how important it is for a man and woman […]

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