From The Lips Of Babes

Women who have Cupid’s Bow lips are more likely to orgasm during sex than women with straighter lips.

A recent study by the University of the West of Scotland found that women with a prominent, sharply raised ‘tubercle’ on their top lip — commonly known as a Cupid’s bow — are 12 times more likely to reach orgasm through sex alone.

This is one of those weird phenotypical associations that, if true, probably has some prenatal hormonal basis. Maybe women exposed to high amounts of estrogen in the womb as fetuses have more feminine facial features like the upside-down-W upper lip, and feminine women feel more aroused by sex with a man. Or maybe cause and effect is different and tip-and-dip-lipped women, being more attractive to men, are simply hooking up with more alpha men and experiencing orgasm during sex more frequently as a consequence.

Btw, the Cupid’s Bow looks great as it’s stretching up and outward across the ridge of the glans.

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Does sex reduce genetic variation?

Heng and fellow researcher Root Gorelick, Ph.D., associate professor at Carleton University in Canada, propose that although diversity may result from a combination of genes, the primary function of sex is not about promoting diversity. Rather, it’s about keeping the genome context – an organism’s complete collection of genes arranged by chromosome composition and topology – as unchanged as possible, thereby maintaining a species’ identity. This surprising analysis has been published as a cover article in a recent issue of the journal Evolution.

“If sex was merely for increasing genetic diversity, it would not have evolved in the first place,” said Heng. This is because asexual reproduction – in which only one parent is needed to procreate – leads to higher rates of genetic diversity than sex. […]

According to Heng, the hidden advantage sex has over asexual reproduction is that it constrains macroevolution – evolution at the genome level – to allow a species’ identity to survive. In other words, it prevents “Species A” from morphing into “Species B.” Meanwhile, it also allows for microevolution – evolution at the gene level – to allow members of the species to adapt to the environment.

If sex is really about maintaining a species’ identity against assimilation with closely related species — a sort of Darwinian nationalistic response to the borg collective — then does this add weight to group selection theory? It would seem so. I’ll leave it to the reader to explore avenues arising from this line of thinking. (Just a little something to get you started: when women are ovulating, they prefer sex with men of their own race.)

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War, what is it good for? Well, how about civilization.

“This study is part of a larger, worldwide comparative research effort to define the factors that gave rise to the first societies that developed public buildings, widespread religions and regional political systems — or basically characteristics associated with ancient states or what is colloquially known as ‘civilization,'” said Stanish, who is also a professor of anthropology at UCLA. “War, regional trade and specialized labor are the three factors that keep coming up as predecessors to civilization.”

Do you lose sleep at night when you ponder the sacrifice in blood and pain of countless ancestors, cruelty upon cruelty inflicted upon and by them until the pile of skulls reached high enough that you could retrieve with your grubby sausage fingers the iPhone perched at the top of the macabre stack?

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Daughters have more influence over their mother’s sexual self-esteem than the other way around.

A new study by a Temple University Fox School of Business professor finds that teenage girls have a strong influence on the products their mothers buy solely for personal use, as in makeup or clothing, and that mothers have a much stronger tendency to mimic their daughters’ consumption behavior than vice versa.

The researchers analyzed whether teenage girls tend to emulate their mothers’ consumption behavior or whether mothers mimic their daughters. The study, conducted through questionnaires, sampled 343 mother-daughter pairs, with an average age of 44 for the mothers and 16 for the daughters. The researchers found that if a mother is young at heart, has high fashion consciousness and views her daughter as a style expert, she will tend to doppelgang her daughter’s consumption behavior.

Moms must know with some conscious awareness that their piping hot fresh teen daughters look a lot hotter than they do. It would only be natural for moms constantly reminded of their rapidly approaching reproductive obsolescence to ape the habits and dress of their sexual betters in hopes the magic would rub off on them. But enough of that cheery cocktail hour talk. What do daughters REALLY think of their moms?

However, even if the daughter has high interest in fashion and an older cognitive age –thinking she’s older than she is – she still is less likely to view her mother as a consumer role model and to doppelgang her.

You can hear the ouch from that sting all the way from the dressing room of your local trailer park titty bar.

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I keep hearing from all these erudite economists and Ellis Island schmaltzfuckers in love with their open borders theories that the down economy is causing illegal migrants to return to Mexico by the truckloads. Oh really?

Number of Mexican immigrants returning home dropped during latest recession, study finds.

Fewer Mexican immigrants returned home from the United States during 2008 and 2009 than in the two years prior to the start of the recession, a finding that contradicts the notion that the economic downturn has hastened return migration to Mexico, according to a new RAND Corporation study.

I love the whir of a furious backpedal, coming soon to a libertardian blog near you. Can we just finally concede that the anti-nationhood Western elite policy of ignoring the porous borders and demonizing anyone who notices was nothing but a giant middle finger gleefully wagged in the face of middle and lower class whites? Candor is good for the soul.

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File under: Pedestal rot. Women are wired to seek “extra-pair paternity“.

Seeking out extra-pair paternity (EPP) is a viable reproductive strategy for females in many pair-bonded species. Across human societies, women commonly engage in extra-marital affairs, suggesting this strategy may also be an important part of women’s reproductive decision-making. Here, I show that among the Himba 17 per cent of all recorded marital births are attributed by women to EPP, and EPP is associated with significant increases in women’s reproductive success. In contrast, there are no cases of EPP among children born into ‘love match’ marriages. This rate of EPP is higher than has been recorded in any other small-scale society. These results illustrate the importance of seeking EPP as a mechanism of female choice in humans, while simultaneously showing it to be highly variable and context-dependent.

For political and social cohesion reasons, it’s doubtful we’ll ever see an accurate number on rates of cuckoldry, but we will get closer as DNA testing improves and becomes more widespread. I wonder if, as this study implies, arranged marriages across the world have higher rates of cuckoldry — aka female rape — than companion marriages. A great mental energy must be spent by women reconciling their desire for monogamous romance with their compulsion to foist a bastard upon an unwitting beta.

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Stayover relationships” are the new marriage.

Changes in relationship formation and dissolution in the past 50 years have revealed new patterns in romantic relations among young adults. The U.S. Census indicates that young people are choosing to marry later and cohabitating more often than past generations. Now, a University of Missouri researcher has found that people in their 20s are redefining dating by engaging in “stayover relationships,” spending three or more nights together each week while maintaining the option of going to their own homes.

“Instead of following a clear path from courtship to marriage, individuals are choosing to engage in romantic ties on their own terms – without the guidance of social norms,” said Tyler Jamison, a researcher in the Department of Human Development and Family Studies (HDFS). “There is a gap between the teen years and adulthood during which we don’t know much about the dating behaviors of young adults. Stayovers are the unique answer to what emerging adults are doing in their relationships.”

Jamison found that “stayover relationships” are a growing trend among college-aged couples who are committed, but not interested in cohabiting. However, little is known about the effects of stayovers on future commitment decisions or marriage.

“A key motivation is to enjoy the comforts of an intimate relationship while maintaining a high degree of personal control over one’s involvement and commitment,” said Larry Ganong, professor in HDFS. “We see this interest in personal control nationally in more single adult households, and in the growing phenomenon of ‘living apart together’ (middle-aged and older monogamous couples who maintain their own households). It may also help explain why marriage is on the decline, particularly among young adults.”

Who says stayover relationships have to be the domain of teenagers? I’m a big fan of the system. A few nights a week, no messy financial or property entanglements, and some time alone to fish for auxiliary prospects. What’s not to like? PS: Marriage as we know it will be gone in thirty years, barring some social cataclysm. It only takes a relatively small vociferous minority to shift public opinion and practices, unless there is an equal or greater pushback before the new opinion metastasizes in elite thought and manifests in all-out propaganda war. The time for that pushback is long gone.





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  1. Who says stayover relationships have to be the domain of teenagers? I’m a big fan of the system. A few nights a week, no messy financial or property entanglements, and some time alone to fish for auxiliary prospects. What’s not to like?

    Marriage is more romantic. Isn’t it beautiful when someone loves you so much that she/he wants to spent the whole life with you? What’s not to like?

    [Heartiste: I didn’t know a legal contract and an overpriced shiny rock were required before you could spend your whole life with someone you love.]

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    • If the relationship is so good, why does it require a ceremony to appease some sky pixie to show that?

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      • Because it’s romantic and beautiful. But that’s not the only reason.

        btw. why do yo think they invented marriage if it’s such a nonsense?

        Marriage is a promise made in front of other people. You promise you will always love and take care of the person you want to marry (It could also mean you won’t gain weight or become a lazy loser).

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      • women initiate 65% of the divorces in the usa.

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      • No-fault divorce should be forbidden in my opinion. It’s immoral.

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      • The fucking you get for the fucking (or lack thereof at the end) you got.

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      • A little low, Neil – it’s closer to 85%.

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      • I’m assuming you’ve either never been married, or if you have then it was very recent.

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      • LET’S GET MARRIED MAYA…YOU NEE4D NOT BE CUTE JUST A NICE GIRL!

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      • TRUTH.

        And appeasing that sky pixie has some dramatic consequences down the road if the marriage doesn’t “pan out”.

        In a country where 50% of marriages end in divorce, and the wife proceeds to take the house, the kids AND the dog,

        It boggles my mind why anyone (besides a woman) would knowingly subject themselves to that, for “romantic reasons”.

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      • I think we all know why – because betas think that marriage will solve all their relationship problems. “If I do what she wants she will be pleased and I will surely get more sex” et cetera.

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    • Heartiste, you can spend your whole life with someone you love but not everyone is so aware of their evolutionary pressures to be able to control them. (Oh, you too are – even if you are fully aware of them – not able to control them … Nor you see any reason why you should control them)

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      • But I have to admit this all makes no sense today – it only made sense in the past when divorce was not an option.

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      • That is a key point. Women like you are attempting to go back to the past to seek the benefits of stability whilst still keeping the benefits of feminism. You want it both ways. And yet you seem critical of guys like Heartiste who also want to make the “new paradigm” work for him. Either we have a return to tradition (which means that you get stability and protection in exchange for cooking, cleaning and not being a cunt) or we have feminism. As a society we cannot have both

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      • Maya in most of the world for most of history divorce has been an option.

        Instead of seeking a system that takes away freedom and leaves people trapped how about a system based on prenup contracts? That is, don’t dictate what people have to do, let them decide for thselves

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      • Unfortunately, the state has chosen to not let people decide for themselves… if the husband cheat, the ex-wife get the house, the kids, half his income and the dog, if if the ex-wife cheated she gets the house, the kids, half his income and the dog, and if the ex-wife shacks up with guy who actually fathered her child they get the house, the kids, half ex-husband’s income and the dog. Tell me that’s better and more fair than a pre-nup.

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      • Talk to a real historian. Not a Marxists/Femenist trying to change things to justify their ends. Even at its low point divorce in practice it was an option.

        It was always available if you had money. If not, you just separated. When divorce appeared to drop during the great depression it wasn’t because of a sudden moral backbone. Just as many happened in practice, they just didn’t have the money to make it nice and legal.

        Even in the Pilgrim colonies it was available. In fact one of the conditions was that a woman could sue if her husband would not give her enough sex. Doesn’t quite fit with the “modern” white male = evil oppressors view taught in college, does it?

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      • Sorry, my posts are totally schizophrenic … I wasted several hours here already and I’m getting sleepy. I wanted to say: … you can spend your whole life with someone you love WITHOUT GETTING MARRIED but not everyone is so aware of their evolutionary pressures to be able to control them WITHOUT SOCIETAL PRESSURES (like marriage) TO FORCE THEM.

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      • Wasted? GTFO

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      • Maya, 70% of divorces are initiated by women. You should not come here on a men’s blog and lecture us about “evolutionary pressures”.

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      • Women have evolutionary pressures, too 🙂

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      • Drop in bed, already, child, I bet you look like a zombie now. Zombiephiles are even harder to find.

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    • Families are the bedrock of society and are better for children, but it doesn’t work when the wife is total whore.

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      • It doesn’t really work when the wife acts like a cunt either.

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      • I wonder if I knew then what I know now if my wife would have still been a hyper cunt from the 9th dimension.

        Or maybe I’d simply have been better at getting the fuck out of dodge. That’s gotta be a top game skill to learn, right there.

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      • I always considered it a luck, but being lucky twice? Maybe it’s the mad skillz.

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    • One more boy unaware of human nature, it seems you do not know a lot of history, unlike the person who wrote such a poem most of our male ancestors were very well aware of the real nature of females and that it’s as ugly as ours, read the very Bible for God’s sake, proverbs, the letters of the Apostles, et al., hence the restrictions, the rules, the legal framework in favor of men et al. I

      t’s true that death and rebirth exhibits an ebb and flow pattern, however no civilization has ever reborn, just been replaced by another younger and stronger one.

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    • King A,

      Thank you for posting the poem 🙂 I want more.

      “Silly girl. Marriage for love is a modern invention of the West.”

      I know that. But I still believe in the possibility of romantic love/marriage.
      You don’t recommend me to settle, do you?

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      • Everyone who goes monogamous settles to varying degree as perfect 10s don’t exist (anyone who claims to have found one clearly simply got a crush, that will wear off).

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      • OK, of course nobody’s perfect. I was talking more about “real” settling = being with someone you don’t love or you’re not attracted to.

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  2. “Upside-down-W”… ‘tscalled an M, bruh.

    [Heartiste: Upside-down W is more evocative. Ms are the pursed tut tuts of schoolmarms.]

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    • Sorry Heartiste, I enjoy your writing but the bit about upside down W’s being more evocative than M’s makes you sound like what we in Australia would call a wanker

      [Heartiste: There’s no accounting for taste.
      ps how’s that asian invasion working out for ya, mate?]

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      • Aussies are all annoying wankers.

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      • Asian invasion had its pros and cons. On one hand the niceness of the Asian girls and frequency of mixed couples (nearly always WM-AW) puts pressure on white girls to either put out more or not be cunts (they usually go for the former option). Asians commit less crime & are more peaceful & productive than even white Aussies. The negative is that under our socialist Govt, the Asian invasion has now become an African, Middle Eastern & Indian invasion and this is causing problems. I like your description of the SWPL demographic as I live in such a suburb- filled with white left-wing urbane dandies who looove multiculturalism but (unlike working class Aussies) don’t actually live amongst the very people whom they pupport to love!

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      • Would this place be Newtown?

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      • Fitzroy

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      • Daniel, that’s the same rational for cheap labor. Exert downward pressure on wages, reduce protesting, and break up the unity of labor movement.

        So if that’s not cool to do in economics…Why would it be cool to do to your women?

        The truth is No High-Quality White Woman would Ever Date a White Man Whose Slept with a Non-White Girl.

        Trust me.

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      • I’m not so sure that banging a non-white girl hurts your chances at all with quality white women. I would think that being attractive to different races/cultures could only boost your chances.

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      • Ah, right, Brunhilda.

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    • google “how do you get that backwards b”

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    • heh heh heh

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  3. Personally, I think that marriage is (or once was) the bedrock of civilization, but Roissy is right; if present trends continue, it will be gone in 30 years, except possibly among the ultra-elite, and a few religious subcultures. What this will mean for civilization can well be imagined. Well, I got to actually live in the real US for a little while, before it was completely blown to hell by the feminists, leftists, and libertardians. It was fun while it lasted, I wish you younger guys luck.

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  4. “Marriage as we know it will be gone in thirty years,”

    I don’t think it will even take that long. In some communities/cultures it has already been done away with (see typical Black American communities). This is not to say this is a good thing. We see the end results of lack of marriages – especially when children are involved. Pretty scarey.

    The problem itself is not marriage. Done correctly with the right parties it *is* a very wonderful rewarding thing. But most people today get married like they hook up and so the whole idea of marriage today is such a joke to most people and they don’t take it seriously. Most people who get married these days really don’t know what it takes or don’t want to put forth the work and effort it takes to sustain such a long union.

    Add in the divorce laws that men are getting fed up with and, well it’s a done deal. Literally.

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    • Having a “babymama” and son beats having an ex-wife, no money and kids (who may not even be yours) you can’t see.

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      • The fact is marriage is the best way to raise and rear children. If one doesn’t want children then I would say LTR or whatever set up someone wants would be fine. If you want to see the end resuts of babymomma/daddy lifestyles look no further than the American Black community and the instability it brings to the children and communities.

        There *are* benefits to marriage. The only real probs today with marriage that i see are, yes divorce laws screw a lot of men (saw my dad go through it with the second wench he married) and fickle people who should not even be couples or are not ready to be in such a committed union which requires work and preserverance from both parties. Too many people up and get married without truly understanding what it takes. There should be a law required for people to go to pre marriage counseling BEFORE marrying as to save themselves, possible future children heartache and an empty wallet.

        Marriage and couples are certainly not what they used to be. There was real magic in these unions years ago. I still get a warm and fuzzy feeling when I see two people in a really good solid marriage. But Nowadays.. doesn’t happen so much.

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    • Black men figured it all out. To hell with civilization, it’s all the bitches fault.

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    • first time some sensible acceptance.

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  5. What about men with Cupid’s Bows?

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    • Not as important to a woman’s assessment of a man.

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    • I have a cupid’s bow, but I got it from my dad.
      He was popular with the ladies (but is monogamous right now), so not sure how estrogen fits into this particular case… But at least it didn’t stop him from getting women.

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      • on August 22, 2011 at 7:16 pm brightstormyday

        Don’t people have cupid’s bows in general?

        I have one. It makes applying lipstick a royal pain.

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      • We guys like it too because we like the way it wraps around our sensitive bulbous structure at the distal end of our dicks.

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      • on August 22, 2011 at 7:36 pm brightstormyday

        There are rumors going around that you’re desi/marvelous white male.

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      • There’s no way to verify that, is there? I was told even IP addresses can be switched around.

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      • on August 22, 2011 at 8:40 pm brightstormyday

        Yes, I’ve heard desi is very good at trolling and messing with IP’s. Surprising, though, most people would deny it if they weren’t, and say,”Look at my IP.” Instead you’re dodging it. Suspicious, I would say.

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      • Well, it is true that I changed my handle a few months ago. Plus I haven’t seen Desi around lately. So I can see if people would think i was Desi. Some of my comments have been eratic, too. Does anyone know who or what Desi actually is? Me personally, I am a 42 yr old white man.

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      • on August 22, 2011 at 9:36 pm brightstormyday

        Cool story, bro.

        P.S. Nice raybans and hawaiian shirt.

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      • this duckling is here too! Great to see lesbos!

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      • Yeah, but some have them more than others 🙂

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      • In pathology textbooks, they re called monsters.

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      • Lol. I meant more pronounced or course 🙂

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      • There is a particular category of womanizing alphas who are not really testosterone filled.
        They are more on the androgynous side. They are called sneaky fuckers. They are different from the traditional violent harem guarding alphas. As a matter of fact, they may have evolved to fool the latter ones, as they can be mistaken for women from a far distance.
        Not that your dad is concerned, but testosterone is not the only weapon in a womanizer’s arsenal.

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      • This is where Tim Curry and ’80s androgyny come in.

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      • on August 22, 2011 at 7:35 pm brightstormyday

        There are actually some species of birds where a very small number of satellite male defectors appear to be female. They then sneakily mate with females in another male’s harem.

        The only downside is that the alpha males might try to mate them, mistaking them for female.

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      • Or, as played by Dana Carvey, on Saterday Night Live…

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      • Ya, I just saw that on TV yesterday. When the overtly male tries to mate with the fake-female and discovers the ploy, the transvestite gets a serious beat down.

        Sneaky fuckers versus social conservatives.

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      • Sneaky fuckers, bohemians, hippies, metrosexual hipsters.

        Yes, the overt physically alpha testosterone jock isn’t the only game in town.

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  6. As long as the only people to simultaneously both reliably breed in above replacement numbers, and to expend enough concerted effort on their children’s rearing to foist upon them a good bit of their parents’ values and culture, are those who tend to marry, marriage will stay around.

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    • Demographics is the ultimate darwinian arbiter. It won’t erase the programming, but may be enough to incept a workable society.

      There is a bit of wrench in the gears, though, as you conceptualize it. The betas are getting the memo, slowly but surely, and they react to marriage 2.0 with a pre-emptive divorce 2.0 (= not marrying).

      So, not entirely sure how this would turn out.

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  7. Stayovers ‘re golden. Itsa perfect setup for a virtual serail.

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    • Ya, until a girl performs a stealth move in. Bringing pieces of clothes over one by one until your closet is full. As a serail can be unstable, next thing you know your 2nd and 3rd is gone, and you have a live in.

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      • I don’t let them. Anything left over is put in a bag that she’ll find ready to take out the next visit. Also, I more frequently go to their places. Bed and breakfast, that sort of thing.

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      • Well played.

        The costs of being lax are a slow surprise transition to monogamy with a live in.

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      • It’s hard to make a woman keep taking her night gown home when she goes to work straight from your place. But one has to draw the line somewhere.

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      • Jerry, a nightgown? The purpose of her visit is to fuck, her skin is her nightgown.

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      • on August 24, 2011 at 12:16 am old guy, lower case

        That’s what the “broad bin” is for. All girly items found in the house go in the broad bin where they mix with all items previously put in the broad bin. Makes it real clear.

        Also, remember, the broad bin should always be the bottom drawer, for status and squatting.

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  8. It is the first time I’ve heard the term ‘stayover’ – but that is all I’ve done since my divorce 4 years ago. I’m on the 3rd ‘stayover’ at this point.

    I agree about the destruction of marriage. Too bad. I once believed in it.

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  9. When i hear about this EPP shit, I want to quit my job, rainsack my place and go into a pump and dump fury spree all the way to the grave…
    I wonder if alpha males are also victims of cuckoldry. Why some women do cheat on alphas?
    BTW, check out this former concubine who had feelings for a gameplaying womanizing alpha eastern prince:

    http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/harem-book-interview

    “It was complicated. I was so naive, and he tested me, showing me attention and then ignoring me.”

    That’s how it’s done.

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    • Why some women do cheat on alphas?

      Simple. Women want to change their man, but then punish him for it when they finally accomplish that.

      What, it doesn’t make any sense? Yeah, take a number.

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      • No, i get that a beta-ized alpha is a potential cuckold. But what about the ideal alpha, strong with status and game. Is that where screening for personality flaws before committment becomes crucial?
        Or extra pair paternity is a deeply rooted sexual strategy that cannot be overridden?
        Taking a number? Gimme a break. I opened my eyes a long time ago. Never married, never will.

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      • There’s no such a thing as a reformed slut. After 4 years or so (or less, when the oxytocin levels drop, she’d seek a new high. So, yeah, screening before-hand was important. If she does not have a moral compass instilled by parents or social mores are loose in general, then all bets are off.

        in former times, the temptation was mitigated by a series of factors–serial pregnancy, general business with household/child rearing an social ostracism, which given that women are more inclined to follow social trends was probably more important than it’s apparent.

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      • You’re soooo smart! hehe!

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      • Get a grip on yourself, woman! Heh.

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      • You clearly don’t understand the purpose or effects of oxytocin.

        Oxytocin is to associated with trust and binding to others. It increases after orgasm, but also when an individual is lonely. It does not make people high.

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      • I’m talking about forest of function, you’re talking about trees of mechanism. BTW, your assumption about increase when lonely is incorrect, it’s just the opposite.And regrading high… what do you think extasy is modeled on?

        Don’t just skim read wikipedia, when you want to show off your erudition (or lack of it thereof).

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      • I’m not skim reading wikipedia. I have a PhD in neuropsychology.

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      • Oh, and you did it again saying ecstasy is modeled on. Ecstasy does increase levels of oxytoscin in rats, but it also increases level of dopamine which is traditionally associated with causing somebody to feel high.

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      • You’re nit picking. Oxytocin does not exist in a vacuum (though I sometimes wonder if that is the content of some peoples’ cranial cavity), it is a part of hormonal/chemical interplay. There is such a thing as oxytocin high, simply because there is such a thing as oxytocin low and don’t you doubt that women can tell the difference (which would correlate if their levels were gauged).

        Speaking of rats, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you have a PhD or not. Who cares? I’ve 2, but do not brandish them like some sort of shiny breastplate on the net. When ever they helped me get a poon? They didn’t.

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      • on August 23, 2011 at 3:55 pm Xsplat's dad.

        Cadnerd, you have two PhDs? In the US/Canada I thought it took around 7 years minimum to get a PhD. In the UK it takes 3-4 years.

        What did you do your research on for both those PhDs. And why did you decide to do two, and not go for a postdoct after your first?

        BTW – I’m clearly messing with you and calling you out on your lies.

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      • “BTW – I’m clearly messing with you and calling you out on your lies.”

        No, no, he’s joking. Caddy, explain us more about your PhDs 🙂

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      • Maya, no one really cares what they are and they are not relevant here. I got them in my old country before coming to NA continent. That, the move, was also a reason I did not pursue postdoc avenues, the hoops I’d have to go through for recognition seemed not worth the trouble. I have also a strong creative side, and that was what I decided to pursue.

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      • You got them in your old country? Which country is this, where they run PhD programs that aren’t recognized in other countries? (only in my experience of UK departments, most have academics that have been recruited from all over the world). I also know people who did their PhD in the UK and went on to do postdoc in North America.

        Please, tell us more.

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      • Weren’t recognized then, are recognized now. One of the countries behind iron curtain.

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      • Right oh…

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      • Women will always try to cuckold even when she has a alpha no matter how tight his game is. They always want babies from as many alphas as possible. Women will always try to hoist another man’s child on someone else. Thing is most alphas don’t commit and risk something like that happening to them, and when women try to say the baby is there’s alphas will deny again and again.

        So, I wouldn’t say alphas are immune but they are resistant to being cuckolded. Something that contributes to betas being cuckolded is that betas are easy to fool and delusional. A women tells a beta the kid is his and he believes it, you tell a alpha and he thinks bullshit even if the child most likely is his. You try to warn a beta the kid might not be his and he is hard headed and will get hostile toward you. A alpha wont hesitate to get the paternity test.

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      • @MR Bananaz

        That comment is literary gold. Incase, inshrine, and display. Maybe develop a blog based on paternity testing mandates and cuckold defense techniques.

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      • Defense techniques? Get fixed. Fuck until they put you in a coffin with no baby worries.

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      • Right, it makes sense evolutionary speaking and it’s a little bit worse than i thought. Well, i guess it’s another big fat nasty truth that we have to suck up and move on.
        Thanks for sharing.

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      • I’d just like to add to this.

        Don’t you find it interesting that whenever the media talks about psychopaths, they invariably use males as examples.

        Surely there are female psychopaths out there.
        Just your typical suburban female psychopath that will act according to her psychopathology.

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  10. Stayover Relationships: Marriage 2.0

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  11. have to agree, my ex had one of these and was super hot… which begs the question:

    which chick pornstars have cupid bow lips – any blonds come to mind?

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  12. NOTE:

    The tubercle on the top lip is NOT the same as the cupid’s bow!!! The media have totally gotten this one wrong. The tubercle is on the central axis of the upper lip itself. The cupid’s bow is where the lip attaches to the filtrum, above the lip.

    Here’s a photo with an arrow pointing to the upper lip tubercle..

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  13. I’ve only read the top paragraph of this post so far, but am excited. I once postulated something similar about 10 years back, while I was living in Indonesia.

    And I’ve also noticed that women with a flat upper lip are lesbians. I mentioned the latter on this blog before. To test this, find a facebook lesbian and look at her long list of lesbian friends. Most will have flat upper lips.

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    • Obviously lesbians evolved flat lips to assist clitoral stimulation during rug munching. Evolution explains everything, much like phrenology and L. Ron Hubbard’s Dianetics.

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      • I’m sure it’s because adam had a small penis and eve had to rug munch him.

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      • it’d one things to say we are all evolved from other animals just like all other animals and there are slightly different general tendencies between different groupd of people. But then to take that to an extreme and start attributing everything to evolution and predisposition is just moronic and amatuerish. I beleive king a menat something different then your knee jerk reaction, after all King A does beleive in primal psychological foundation of man and women which is for obvious reasons based on evolutionary principles.

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    • What about bisexual women, or guys who have cupids bow?

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  14. Hey I’m a dude and I’ve kinda got one of those. That can’t be good can it…

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  15. Just a little something to get you started: when women are ovulating, they prefer sex with men of their own race.

    Could you explain what you’re getting at? The only implication I can parse from your statement is that sex with another race promotes macroevolution into a different species. Not only does the article contradict this, but the various races are still part of the same species anyway by virtue of being descendants of homo sapien ancestors. To paint a complete picture:

    The researchers conducted scientific studies with two groups of women that investigated how women’s implicit attitudes toward men change across the menstrual cycle. They found that fertile women were more biased against men of different races and men of different social groups than men of their own group.

    Importantly, though, the increase in bias occurred only for women who perceived the men as physically threatening, said Carlos David Navarrete, assistant professor of psychology and research team leader.

    That women prefer men of their own race when ovulating has less to do with decreasing genetic variance (because even if the woman has sex within her own race she would still seek a partner with a measure of genetic difference) and more to do with a need to protect themselves from sexual coercion when they are most vulnerable. Women who didn’t see men of different races as “physically threatening” (likely due to being raised in an environment where the belief wasn’t vindicated) didn’t express the same selectiveness.

    “If sex was merely for increasing genetic diversity, it would not have evolved in the first place,” said Heng. This is because asexual reproduction – in which only one parent is needed to procreate – leads to higher rates of genetic diversity than sex.

    Key word “merely”. For a species to thrive there must be both stasis and variance. Sex allows for regulation of genetic diversity along with maintenance of the genome context, ie: just enough variance to promote improved fitness within an overall stasis. An even more pertinent issue here is whether Heng is referring to genetic diversity in the context of inter- or intra- species. Asexual reproduction promotes the former; sex, the latter.

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    • All those white and asian women yearning to be “black-bred” (whether in front of their shrimp-dicked husbands or not) out there is just porn, sorry.

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      • Sorry for what?

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      • I’ve heard that there is a mild tendency for women to prefer slightly more R selected men than their local norm, and for men to prefer slightly more K selected women than their local norm.

        In other words women tend to go for men who are more masculine than average, and men tend to go for women who are more feminine than average.

        Or…

        Asian women go for white men, white women go for black men. Black men go for white girls. White men go for Asian chicks.

        As I said – this is a mild tendency. But that’s the direction of it.

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      • I picked up on that theory at steve sailer a long time back (it’s mostly based on recent observations) but IMHO that theory has some flaws….
        1. I am making a distinction between north american blacks and africans …. africans are generally less robust, smaller when compared to caucasians in general.
        2. Historically white african relations were usually between white males and african females, both slaves and freemen. and this happened in north africa, middle east, puerto rico, brazil, polynesia (no small feat), eastern africa etc etc.
        3. There are contradictory reports on testosterone difference between whites and american blacks.
        4. Differing environment since birth and it’s effect on stress levels and social behavior causing different t-levels…….band members vs gang members.
        5. Both vegan type foods and junk food suppress testosterone levels

        seems to me in today’s environment in the western world many trends contradicts trends seen in most places for most of history.

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  16. “Can we just finally concede that the anti-nationhood Western elite policy of ignoring the porous borders and demonizing anyone who notices was nothing but a giant middle finger gleefully wagged in the face of middle and lower class whites?”

    Enoch Powell was right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7fETsKYkA

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  17. Women who have Cupid’s Bow lips are more likely to

    It’s best to have them get a Brazilian first,
    so you can be
    absolutely sure

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  18. Cupid’s bow thing…hilarious. Helps explain a few things though. Tee hee… *grins, coyly*

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  19. Mexicans aren’t too enthusiastic about heading back to a nacroterror state. It’s still better here.

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  20. schmaltzfuckers…

    fuckin raw

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  21. Maybe the cupid’s bow thing could be viewed as an indicator of slutiness (along with other variables). Since they are more likely to cum, emotional bonding is probably not that high on their priority list.
    I’m bringing this up because one of the last cumguzzling sluts that i encountered had that characteristic. And crumpetess seems to confirm the pattern.

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  22. “Just a little something to get you started: when women are ovulating, they prefer sex with men of their own race.)”

    Our hidden desires will be illuminated during ovulation when the amygdala is most active. Whether it be your own race or another race the amygdala will select not your prefrontal cortex! Race maybe the last thing an ovulating woman is thinking about! heello!

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    • “Race maybe the last thing an ovulating woman is thinking about! heello!

      AGREED.

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      • Neecy

        “Race maybe the last thing an ovulating woman is thinking about! heello!

        AGREED.

        you do know, not all black girls have that luxury taking a white boy home to meet the mom. with black dads out of the picture, that’s half an audience you dont need to impress. you have it easier cuz you have a white mom who cant disaprove of white boys

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      • Mommy and papi are both black – and openminded.

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    • maybe your amygdala is not telling your brain what it really thinks. Preference of same background partner during ovulating makes sense for needing comfort, safety, secure future with familiar mate and tribe. It’s very similar to how people tend to play the field for variety and get married or have kids with people of similar background.

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      • sid,

        Security, safety, comfort is not what is happening during ovulation. The amygdala doesn’t think, it feels, it senses and it is in fact irrational only following pure emotions. Why do you think we have PMS? hehe! Do you like us when we have PMS? hee! hee! Cadnerd likes it! hehe!!!

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      • True, when I was married, I loved it so much because it gave me a handy excuse to go fishin’. Heh.

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      • lol!!!!

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      • Cadnerd and what, get a room!

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      • I think they are sweet ;> You rarely get to see such cordial, playful interaction between a man and a woman in this part of the interwebz.

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      • that was precisely my point …… many irrational behavior esp. in women may not make sense in and of itself but seen from evolutionary and/or self-interest perspective (modified by the conditions that we operate under) they make a lot of rational sense. And this also applies to almost almost all things human not just women.

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      • also add shared group interest to that

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      • Amygdala doesn’t “think”, it’s for emotional processing and dealing with stress. If you think the amygdala is where thoughts originate from, then you’ve solved a problem neuoroscientists have been trying to solve for years.

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    • Well, amygdala selects = preference. As the frontal cortex is left out of the picture, the question is…. where thinking is involved in this process? Hehe.

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      • The frontal cortex isn’t left out of the picture, the brain operates as a whole unit, with all regions communicating and swapping information. The view that regions of the brain act independently is about 40 years out of date.

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      • sid,

        Are you showing off? (looking from the side and tilting my head) : )

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      • yes i am

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      • hehe!!

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      • Dude, I were commenting on a logical fallacy of the statement, not on it’s accuracy.

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      • oh dear, another person who thinks throwing about a bit of pop-neuroscience they read in a newspaper makes them sound intelligent.

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      • I meant you! : )))

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      • lol, no, this is my job! (well, not commenting on this site – the site serves as a useful distraction from that sometimes!)

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      • xsplat’s dad,

        thank you for appearing here on this blog, welcome 🙂 You are a neuroscientist, right? Not a “neuroscientist”? I’m looking forward to reading your posts. I’m sick of pretty lies which just don’t perish.

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      • xsplat’s dad,

        forget the previous post … I have serious reading comprehension disability sometimes … Well, you can still tell us what you are …

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      • not a scientist. just a guy who likes to read because of weird work hours. i like to study people in general and history. I am a stock trader, am an indian and have lived middle east and have freidns tehre, so i am used to seeing irrational behaviours and try to understand their implications.

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    • what,

      “Whether it be your own race or another race the amygdala will select not your prefrontal cortex! Race maybe the last thing an ovulating woman is thinking about! heello!”

      He wasn’t claiming that women are THINKING about the race of the partner so I don’t know what you wanted to say with your ‘heello’?

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  23. Given the economic times we live in and the depression that we are currently in (not to mention it is looking more like economic collapse), I have to wonder if marriage will actually be making a comeback. Women tend to hold jobs that are only beneficial in a booming society, those that do not create but care for (nurses, HR, psychologist, etc.). These jobs may become obsolete in the not so distant future and women are going to be seeking more stability and protection. This will force them to forgo feminism and have to relearn their roots; cooking, cleaning, canning, gardening and so forth. If they can learn femininity in there somewhere as well marriage could once again be on the rise.

    At the very least, I think we will once again see a decrease in the divorce rate as the women will not be able to afford a divorce.

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  24. “Seeking out extra-pair paternity (EPP) is a viable reproductive strategy for females in many pair-bonded species. Across human societies, women commonly engage in extra-marital affairs, suggesting this strategy may also be an important part of women’s reproductive decision-making.”

    In other words, women are whores.

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    • I take great offense at what you’ve said. This sample clearly only provides evidence that mothers can be whores. Now factor in mothers imitating daughters and you’ve got your full equation.

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    • Semantics issue–whore always referred to a sexual industry professional (prostitute), the “ho” use notwithstanding. Perhaps sluts would be more fitting.

      That being said, if I think of killing someone and don’t do it, I’m not a murderer. I may have a potential to murderlize someone, but it’s not the same thing.

      One needs to ask what the stats say about the EPP occurrence figures, not generalize that if it’s true for a segment, then it’s true for all.

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    • oy vey! The world looks upside down after taking the red pill, doesn’t it? East is west and up is down and black is white and in is out. To hold on to morality in the face of the devastation of grasping the truth about women’s nature is difficult indeed. While I can see why our host argues that hedonism is the only logical course of action, I am a little more optimistic than that. Perhaps the fiddling while Rome burns can – through a hitherto undiscovered quantum-electro-hyper-galactic process – lead to a brighter future, and not down a dark road. But seriously, perhaps there is a way that the hamster can be tamed a little, and perhaps hypergamy reined in just a little. Or maybe I’m just dreaming – but the women on this thread have been well behaved so far.

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      • I think that on a case by case basis, women can be tamed, in this culture.

        I disagree that there is hope at this time to create a society wide social restructuring that brings us closer to how things were in the 50s. Culture will never look like that again.

        But you can have a devoted and tamed mate, right now.

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      • The future belongs to the womb, not the tomb. An uber conservative movement will always outbreed the indulgent.

        Our liberal, statist democracy (western nations) will not last because it is by nature doomed to failure. Attacking that which has made the stable society (family) by demonizing fathers, taxing and regulating the productive, and rewarding bastard child birth – I’m surprised it has lasted this long.

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      • The taming may come.

        Government out of money -> No or very reduced welfare ->
        women looking for providers.

        Or some similar mechanism.

        OR we get Sharia law – a cure that might be worse than the disease.

        Thor

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  25. on August 22, 2011 at 9:19 pm Power Hydrant

    I don’t like the cupid’s bow thing. It reminds me of those awful glam-queens with loads of makeup and bright red lipstick, yuck. Give me a cute, subtle girl over that crap any day.

    Also, I am 95% convinced Heartiste and Vox Day are the same guy, or at least conspiring together. They have the exact same political opinion on just about everything, and given how non-mainstream those opinions are, probably not a coincidence.

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  26. Apparently marriage is dying out in Asia also. From The Economist:

    http://www.economist.com/node/21526350?fsrc=scn/tw/te/mt/asiasloneyhearts

    “People there now marry even later than they do in the West. The mean age of marriage in the richest places—Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and Hong Kong—has risen sharply in the past few decades, to reach 29-30 for women and 31-33 for men.

    A lot of Asians are not marrying later. They are not marrying at all.”

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    • (snark)So you mean Asian females behave similarly to western females?(/snark)

      Yes, the cultural shifts that have been brought about by technology happen everywhere that technology happens.

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    • Dirk,

      Here is another article discussing that same issue in japan. Looks like Japanese women are marking western women when it comes to how they view marriage and independance. Very interesting to see what happens worldwide with this or if it spreads.

      http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-02-japan-women-usat_x.htm

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      • I wonder: is it a case of asian women choosing not to get married?

        Or is it more a case of asian men opting out of marriage……..

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      • Reciprocal. There is a known tendency of Asian men to go herb. Naturally, that does not appeal to their womenfolk. The rationale for the first is that women seem to be too bitchy. Women think the herbalized men are unsuitable. A catch 22. However, there are alphas amongst them an they don’t see anything wrong with these trends. And westerners too, as noted on one of the previous threads.

        [Heartiste: The problem with asian men “going herb” is when they are thrust into, or have thrust upon them, peoples who have men of lower average herbiness. In 99.9% japanese japan, the typical japanese man has a decent shot at getting laid. But put that introverted slender-reed of a japman in the US, and he’s suddenly dealing with the prospect of his usual targets — j-girls — fawning over whiteguysinsales. SMV is perception as much as objective measurement. A herb in herbland won’t be facing a structural dating disadvantage like he would in cooldudeland.]

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      • Sisy,

        What I extrapolated from the article is:

        Both genders are simply tired of doing what it takes to keep relationships working. But what is odd is that they are not even engaging in intercourse as a whole. I believe in America relationships are going this route but American males still seem to be interested in at least sexually courting women. Japanese men don’t even want to do that anymore based on this article. LOL.

        The Japanese women enjoy their independence and don’t want the responsibility of being housewives and mothers unless the men are willing to contribute. They also all want high status highly paid husbands and of course not all Japanese men can fit that bill. The Japanese men seem to enjoy being around other men more and doing things with the boys than spending time with the women in their lives, and have given up entirely on trying to please the new modernized independent Japanese women. But that’s just my take on it.

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  27. On sex to get genetic diversity:

    Not exactly. Sex allows various traits to mingle, and with a bit of luck,
    SOME individual will collect several new but relatively useful traits,
    that have been created by mutation in different individuals.

    Among animals (at least those big enough to see with the naked eye),
    general parthenogenesis tends to be initially successful, but in the long
    run the road to special perdition. (Although “species” becomes
    harder to define; the usual definition is problem-free mating). There
    is a group of lizards in New Mexico or thereabouts who do this. But
    such are demonstrably rare, and one would presume that means
    short-lived, over geological time.

    The one massive exception is the bdelloid rotifer (not a typo), a little
    bug just big enough to see. They are all females busily reproducing
    themselves through parthenogenesis. But it turns out they often dry out,
    and die – sortof. But when and if water returns, the cells sometimes
    self-assemble. More to the point, the parts of a cell can self-assemble.

    If several bd-s dry out right next to each other, the parts sometimes
    cross-assemble, and you get the genes re-organized.

    So in b-d land, a night out means drying to death!

    Thor

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  28. Why would illegals go home in a time of recession? It’s a world-wide recession, so things are just as bad or worse in their home countries as they are here. Hell, even being on welfare in the US means a better life than being middle class in Mexico. Add together AFDC, food stamps, section 8 and all the other welfare programs and compare it to making 8 dollars a day in Mexico.

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  29. Reading this shit made me sick:

    http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/?p=826

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  30. As a holder of a biology PhD, I am very interested in sociobiology and evolutionary roots of (human) behaviour. As a player, I am advanced, but still profit a lot from regularly reading your blog – it still gives me often these precious moments, where you read your own fuzzy thoughts and things you feel, but can’t phrase properly – laid out in clear, simple words by a male soulmate. Thanks for all your effort !

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    • So how do you feel about the pseudoscience sometimes mentioned by posters, in relation to brain function etc?

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      • Could you be a bit more precise and detailed ?
        Give examples, pls…

        There are definitely some interesting scientific stories about animal mating behaviour and how it can be related to brain function, but here isnt enough space to lay them out

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      • Examples? The reference people have made to hindbrain function. The post Cadnerd makes about girls chasing a new oxytocin high when the old one wears off (sigh…), the study written about the other day saying that women prefer psycopaths etc (the whole dark triad thing) – it wasn’t aknowledged, that the reason such individuals have success with short-term mating is because such individuals are manipulative, which is more likely to work in the short term.

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      • but not the longterm.

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      • Wears off? Did not say that. Said drop. The production declines over a span of time, if certain stimulae are not present (alpha male behavioral patterns reinforcing production). Statistically, after 4 years, marriages are in trouble when the woman no longer feels the “butterflies in her tummy”.

        Her conclusion: “That is not the man I fell in love with”.
        She then seeks a new man to get back the butterflies.

        The time frame varies, sometimes social or other constraints extend the period substantially. But if the man does not generate supportive alpha vibes, the day will come when he’d realize how much vagina can stretch.

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      • Could you post the link to a study which claims alpha male behavioural patterns are related to levels of oxytocin?

        It’s just, that’s probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard anybody say, and I want to see the source for that information.

        Or did you just make it up?

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      • xsplat’s dad,

        don’t worry and get used to this blog – Caddy’s always making shit up.

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      • Yeah, I get the impression Cadnerd tends to draw on confabulation when writing his posts, rather than facts.

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      • Very funny, Brian, considering your sock puppetry.

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      • Very funny? I just asked you to back up the rubbish you wrote. I wondered if you actually read that somewhere, or are you type of guy who makes stuff up to sound intelligent.

        Seeing by some of the posts,all evidence points to the latter (what with your lies about having two PhDs, and you had to jump through hoops to get them recognized etc, but now they are recognized, and the pure bullshit you come out with about neurotransmitters). Funny how people feel the need to impress, even on a website where everybody is anonymous.

        And yep – I used to post as Brian B, but now I post as xsplat’s dad. What’s your point?

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      • Ask anyone that came to US/CAN from 60’s to the beginning of 90’s with PhD acquired in their respective countries in Eastern Europe. Unless you were a top of the crop and a nearly a sole expert in your field, the hoops were daunting. A lot of people gave up from economic reasons and found work outside their field.

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      • There are more drastic observations than the one you are referring to:
        When female mice encounter pheromones of dominant males, some regions in their brain grow, and these regions in turn process pheromones –> this is a self-reinforcing process, which leads to even bigger attraction for the dominant males, because the females become even more receptive to their specific pheromones. The whole process in females DOES NOT occur, when they encounter pheromones of subordinate or castrated males.

        And one more thing: Women don’t prefer psychopaths, they want strong, independent, dominant men. These traits are often found in psychos, but much more often in “normal men”. It’s never black and white, there are 253 varieties of grey in between.

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      • …and you don’t have to do such sophisticated science: Much simpler, it has been shown that oxytocin administration increases interpersonal trust, whereas testosterone decreases it. Makes perfectly sense to me.
        High T, low Oxy: Don’t trust other, rather dominate other or even fight
        Low T, high Oxy: Don’t fight, trust others.

        Like it or not, we are not as miraculous as many would like us to be, we are just supercomplex biochemical machines, that can be understood

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      • first post was eaten up by the system:
        female rats enlarge certain brain areas when they encounter pheromones of dominant males. These areas in turn are responsible for pheromone processing –> This is a self-reinforcing process rendering the female mouse even more sensitive to dominant pheromones. The whole thing doesnt occur, when female mice encounter pheromones of subordinate or castrated males…

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      • Good posts, Kronos.

        This adds categorical power to our sets of alpha and beta behaviors.

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  31. I once met a woman who despite being tall, having a nice slim body and showing me a heap of IOI’s had extremely thin, barely there lips.

    I just could not bring myself to kiss her.

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  32. The mathematics of group selection don’t work for anything except very tiny groups. Even the relatively small early human populations were vastly too large for those mathematics to work out.

    http://lesswrong.com/lw/kw/the_tragedy_of_group_selectionism/

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  33. Wake up white man.

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  34. Can we just finally concede that the anti-nationhood Western elite policy of ignoring the porous borders and demonizing anyone who notices was nothing but a giant middle finger gleefully wagged in the face of middle and lower class whites? Candor is good for the soul.

    Just read the first half of architects of destruction, giant middle finger is the best case scenario. They fucking hate us.

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  35. Regarding EPP:

    For a female of any species to facilitate a methodology for breeding with the best genetic partner she’s able to attract AND to ensure her own and her offspring’s survival with the best provisioning partner; this is an evolutionary jackpot.

    More here:
    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/schedules-of-mating/

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  36. Your view on this would be appreciated .

    This girl suddenly started talking with me . She slapped me on the shoulder and stood next to me . I loked at her slowly and kept looking at her softly but intently at her lips and face for atleast 15 sec before I said “Hi” . Then we had a random talk for a few minutes and then her friends came . Still she was standing in front of me though I did give her occasional glances .

    While leaving in a few minutes , after being bored of their gibberish , I went up to her where she was standing with her friends closeby , lightly slapped on her back and said “see ya later “. I had the option of staying with her and her friends but I was damn bored of their stuff .

    I thought she was ignoring me after a VERY BRIEF flirting phase .Only once we had gone out , that to a college party and sometimes used to talk platnically just because we worked briefly on the same project . I never flirted with her after she ignored me the first time . These days I`m just busy with my life and actually accepted myself and improving .

    But should I bother to distract myslef to see where this leads ?was she just being friendly ? I made it clear the first time we flirted that I`m interested in her , not her friendship , so Im sure she doesn`t think of me as her friend.
    and she was the one who started all this actually a few months ago before ignoring .

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    • She’s into you bro’. Buy yourself a tub of vasaline and a welders’ glove and text her asking if she would like some real lubbin’.

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      • I wonder the part where I looked at her intently instead of saying :”hi” immediately , was too cheeky . It just something I did without thinking about it .

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      • Staring at her intently being too cheeky? No mate, that’s not cheeky; that’s rapey.

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    • What kind of pick up is that?
      Maybe some information is missing but the way i see it:
      You failed in building social proof with her friends. If they were boring, it’s your responsibility as an aspiring seducer to lead the conversation and make it interesting.
      If you glanced at her without talking, she may have thought you were creepy. Maybe you did a good job at building comfort (all betas excel at it) but you failed at building attraction.
      My advice would be: forget this chick, improve your knowledge about game, play the field, get some new pussy. Then, if you can’t forget her, make sure that she sees you with another girl, or with another set of girls where you won’t act like a total loser.

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      • it wasn`t even a pickup and she was the one who came to me . I was just enjoying music on my headphones . This ahppened in college and we study together . She knows I like her . nyway , ok .

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      • But still, she came to you but you didn’t know how to pick her up. She may have thought you were good looking, but that is never enough for a girl. She wanted you to seduce her, and you obviously failed.
        Read the mystery method or something, try to pick up a few girls, and then you will be ready to implement what’s advocated on this blog.

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  37. No wonder marriage is under attack. See the following Daily Mail (a gutter English paper) article:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2028427/Engagement-rings-feel-pinch-men-cut-cost-proposing.html

    It condemns poor English men for failing to spend a month’s salary on an engagement ring. And most English women, being mercenary harlots, are enraged that their hapless husbands-to-be are failing to bankrupt themselves to prove their love.

    Personally, when the time comes, there is no way I am spending more than $100.

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    • I was married once, in the US. I sold silver rings as part of my business, and gave the girl one of those. $10 retail, and $3 wholesale.

      She wore it for years after the divorce.

      Sometimes a girl I’m dating will hint that she wants a ring from me, but the signal that message sends makes me queasy. I’ve only bought rings twice, and limited the cost to just a few grams of gold – about $70.00 – and that was about a year into dating. Unless I feel mated, I’m more comfortable gifting a pendant. And if I do feel mated, then she can be happy with a token gesture. It’s not as if I’m proving the strength of my devotion with the cost of the object. She should feel grateful just to be near me – not near a ring.

      So ya, expensive rings send the wrong signal.

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      • Silver ring is a Good way of reducing the divorce settlement. I pity the poor schlubs who spend 5Gs on a sparklers for some ageing porker with a princess complex.

        Theres a linear relationship between Divorce rates, women’s average weight and size/cost of engagement ring.

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  38. on August 23, 2011 at 11:07 am Seriously, what kind of media reports on the circumstances surrounding the accident?

    A relative of a New Zealand woman who reportedly severed her hand during a sex romp on a yacht in Croatia has cast doubts on the circumstances of the accident.

    Amy Ramage, 28, was on a two-week yachting holiday in Palmizana Marina, near the island of Hvar when she is said to have struck up a romance with an English tourist.

    It has been claimed Ms Ramage severed her hand on the jagged edge of a hand basin after it broke while the pair was having sex.

    But family member said Ms Ramage “would never put herself in that sort of a predicament”.

    “She’s a good Christian girl. I’ve known her all her life and she has strong principles … I just can’t believe it. It doesn’t sound like Amy at all,” she told Fairfax Media.

    Croatian authorities were still searching for the Englishman, who reportedly fled after the accident, the woman said.

    Ms Ramage was rushed to hospital, where surgeons spent more than six hours working to re-attach her hand.

    “The news and the headlines have been very upsetting and even though I’m not in contact with Amy’s mother, I still feel very sorry for her,” the woman said.

    “Amy hasn’t really spoken to anyone yet and she is the only person I would believe. I really think they have just got it all wrong.”

    Ms Ramage’s father, Reuben, and brother, Ben, had gone to Croatia to be with Amy.

    “Hopefully, we can get to the bottom of what happened and find out the truth when Reuben comes back home,” the relative said.

    The New Zealand Embassy in Rome – accredited to Croatia – has been providing consular assistance to the Amy Ramage and her family.

    This week police spokeswoman Marina Kraljevic Gudelj said police wanted to speak to the man who was with Ms Ramage so they could “clarify all the circumstances in this case”.

    Asked whether there was any truth to a suggestion that the pair had broken into the yacht, Ms Kraljevic Gudelj said she could not say.

    “I also do not claim or deny whether there was any criminal suspicion in this case at all.

    “We believe it was an unlucky accident, but want to check it all.”

    But she did confirm that the pair had earlier been on board another yacht, called Vaska, before being found on the yacht Anete, where the incident happened.

    Meanwhile, doctors at KB Split Hospital, where Ms Ramage is being treated, said yesterday that she was recovering well. It was feared the graphic designer would lose her hand, but surgeons managed to save it during an operation that lasted six hours.

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  39. From the movie “As Good As It Gets” :

    Secretary: How do you write women so well?

    Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

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  40. Wtf is this???? Although I drawing similitudes between social science articles and Roisy truths is interesting, don’t F****ing overdo it. 4 quotes 1/2 baked studies by social researchers!!! Wtf guy?
    Do FIELD REPORTS. Those confirm Roisy truths and show how they are applied in the streets.

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  41. As a guy who entered into the torture that is modern marriage once and barely escaped with his finances and emotions intact, I can firmly say that the stayover relationship is probably the most stable in these odd modern times.

    I have two concurrent stay over relationships going right now. One is going on a year and the other is working on a year and a half. I didn’t go about trying to set up two. I just started dating both of the girls at the same time and one happened about 5-6 months after the other. One if my weekday girl the other is my weekend girl. We float between each other’s place, but I usually make them come to me. I have never told either of them I am seeing someone else but I know both suspect. I get the occasional remark that tries to get me to respond or one will leave a hairband or something by accident. I don’t try to hide it either. Both seem OK with just keeping their heavy suspicions unvalidated though. I have never really been either directly or indirectly confronted by them. They just seem happy to stay with a guy that makes them happy, even if that means they aren’t the only woman in my bed in any given week.

    One other strange social phenomena, at least to a guy who dated in his early 20’s before getting married and then not again until his early 30’s, is how quickly sex begins in a relationship. Back in my early years it seemed like sex was a “step” in a relationship. Now is just comes part and parcel wit the relationship. It just shows up like “boom” on the second or third date. I remember guys had to “work” on it somewhat, but now it just seems to happen. Maybe my memory is not all that good, or too beta back then, but I remember my other single alpha friends complaining of it too.

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    • “Back in my early years it seemed like sex was a “step” in a relationship. Now is just comes part and parcel wit the relationship. It just shows up like “boom” on the second or third date. I remember guys had to “work” on it somewhat, but now it just seems to happen. Maybe my memory is not all that good, or too beta back then, but I remember my other single alpha friends complaining of it too.”

      This is something I have been wondering about for a while now. It seems that these days, giving it up very quickly is commonplace. If you, or any of the other men here, met and began dating a woman who did make you wait and considered sex a “step”, as you put it, would you stop dating her?

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      • Sting, the question is missing a context.

        If I were looking for ONS (one night slut), the minutes count.
        For a LTR, I can extend the time frame. Considering that I am an older guy and the apparent time flies faster, I do my best to shorten that period, of course. Kind of an issue of economy. So, if the particular lady wouldn’t put out within a span of a few days, I’d consider it as an indication of a lack of interest and fold my hand.

        I can’t relate to Musing Alphas’ observation. My predicament was different, I had to LJBF girls frequently.

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      • I left the context out intentionally as I knew the answer for a ONS. I try to stay pithy as long posts can be tedious.

        Here’s another question. What if she made her interest obviously known and still didn’t want to have sex? Is sex necessary, in this day and age, to get a LTR started or can a girl still wait, like we used to be able to do, and still have a relationship?

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      • In this day and age, she’d be a cocktease. No, thankyou.

        Look, I am used to LTR girls putting out quickly. For a reciprocity, I promise them (in a fashion, I don’t really say that, but they get it) to be my best alpha they can get.

        I keep my 5 LTRs, I don’t stray. My last ONS was before I got the idea to establish a serail.

        I teach them, useful things for life. I keep them from the cock carousel, so in that sense I do a public service. When they are let go, in their CV, they have only a few previous relationship.

        Pondering about the ancient times with a mist in your eyes does not help anyone. I use it often for a reference, but that does not mean I anticipate a renaissance of it any time soon. Times are different and from my perspective, my approach is very sensible.

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      • I’m not judging you, I was just curious how much things have changed. Yes, I do have mist in my eyes and I can’t help it. I also need to figure out what to teach my kids. I value marriage but understand why so many men do not any more. If that works for you and your girl(s?) great . I hope my kids are able to find happiness with one person and marry. Time will tell.

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      • I’ve the same dilemma with my daughters. In my estimation, the pre FE modus vivendi is likely to have a comeback in two decades, though it may have some aspects different. What I am trying to teach them is the basic truths about human sexuality and how the relationships work (or not, I have a couple of examples in my own portfolio). I am hoping that when the tide turns, they will just feel like they are in their natural environment.

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      • Sting.

        A disappearing comment… hmmm, concisely, then.
        Same dilemma with my 2 daughters. Teaching them unvarnished image about human sexuality and how relationships work (or not, having 2 examples in my own portfolio). In 2 decades, expecting a sort of a comeback of the older values, and hoping that with their endowment, they’d feel like in their natural environment.

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      • Yeah, my long ones tend to disappear as well.

        It is a difficult dilemma. In my couple of LTR before I met my husband and with my husband, I made the men wait, not forever, but wait. It was a way for me to be sure my feelings were in the right place and to make sure theirs were as well. I did weed out a couple of alpha assholes this way that would have greatly reduced my SMV and my value in my own eyes. I know a lot of women say the love ONS and are fine with it. Maybe some truly are but I believe the majority loose self respect and try not to admit it to themselves. I do NOT want my daughters to lose any self respect and I intend to teach them to do their best to wait and why. From there it will be their own decision. I also fully intend to teach them how men truly tick. I learned most of it in my marriage and want them to know about staying thin, true male sex drive, and the like before hand. The doting part I think will come natural to them as they see me do this every day and even at their young age like to do nice things for their father. I learned it from my mother as well.

        I honestly don’t know whether to worry more about my son or my daughters. I do not want him to marry some shrew of a woman and have a horrible experience there either. But he is already taking after my husband, so let us hope that he becomes a natural at handling women as well. Good luck to you and yours. It’s a scary place for parents to be. I hope you are right about the comeback of older values. As much as the falling economy scares me, I think it might be our best bet at returning to simpler times.

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      • on August 23, 2011 at 1:50 pm Betondo Fuchatuch

        Don’t stop dating her – just date her less frequently.

        Why hold on while she slowly (or never) figures out that trying to sell her home for 550K is difficult when 3-4 similar homes down the street are going for 200K or less? What’s your time worth, anyway?

        And besides – the best way to get her to quickly lower her price to more realistic figures is for her to witness you quickly and enthusiastically inspecting other homes.

        3rd wave feminism has produced this buyer’s market, Stingray. Gonna be around for a while, I think…

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      • I guess I come for a bit of old school thinking. I don’t see it as figuring things out, but waiting to see if the man is worth me giving it up. I find it sad that lowering the price is necessary.

        Thank you, again, feminism.

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      • stingray

        I would very much enjoy to meet more women like that .. but not that she wanted to wait as a tactic but from an organic expression of her selectivity, trust and sensitivity..but she would have to be extremely interesting on other levels as well

        not talking months ..especially about a woman I was very hot for..

        … however Im not a starving guy..I can connect with many different types of women ..on different levels. For me I enjoy getting to know women …so it all enjoyable..because Im not care love or sex starved

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      • If you, or any of the other men here, met and began dating a woman who did make you wait and considered sex a “step”, as you put it, would you stop dating her?

        Apparently how quickly you fuck sends a signal about how alpha you consider the guy to be, which may also signal which sexual strategy you are playing with him. If a girl wants the man to treat her like a long term providing serious boyfriend, she is expected to wait longer to fuck him. Some men will actually decide which strategy to take with a girl depending on how quickly she puts out; if on the first date, he’ll not date her long term.

        But some highly socio-sexual guys will have grown accustomed to quick sex and not put in effort to a girl who doesn’t put out soon. I guess girls know that they must fuck an alpha quickly in order to keep his attention. And some guys will happily take such a girl seriously, if she also shows the needed long term qualities.

        So the rules and strategies are context dependent. If the guy does not want to compete in the sexual marketplace of a womans pussy with the other guys, but wants to be considered a steady boyfriend most of all, then wait a bit longer. If the guy is coming on primarily about passion and sex, put out earlier. If you want the alpha boyfriend experience, put out quickly, but send mate signals at the same time. Cook him breakfast.

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  42. stingray ..

    some standards became standards for very good reasons..

    for example USA lending standards for years..were exact ..then came the new dynamic which created a supposed new set of standards..which in turn created the housing crisis..

    now we have a family and a male female realtionship civility crisis… standards have been suspended ..but they are still relevant imo

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  43. on August 23, 2011 at 2:28 pm Divorce Brainteaser

    We agree that most divorce is initiated by women. I have also seen comments from divorce attorneys who say that the few divorces initiated by men are usually, in truth, initiated by the wives of those men; by her moving in with her boyfriend or some other deliberate destruction of the marriage.

    So here is my question: How can I get my wife to initiate a divorce? Openly cheating on her multiple times didn’t work. Being an asshole doesn’t work. In fact, these seemed to have made her fall in love with me for the first time ever. Of course, I could just file the paperwork and leave, and I probably will. But I would prefer that the divorce is *her* idea.

    Besides, it is an interesting dilemma. Any ideas?

    Preempting an obvious answer:
    I could pretend to go back to being in love with her, which would surely send her back to being disinterested in me. Trouble is, this wouldn’t make her want a *divorce*. She would much prefer to do whatever she wants while keeping my paychecks.

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    • Breaking up is hard to do.

      No way around it that I know of. She’ll either guilt you with tears or frighten you with rage. Or alternate – “I hate you! Don’t leave me! If you leave me I’ll kill myself! If you leave me I’ll kill you!’

      Whatever it is that she wants, that will be the only thing she is able to cognize. There will be no empathetic negotion regarding mutual needs.

      How to trick her into thinking it’s her idea to leave you? If you cheat in a way that socially shames her, eventually she’ll snap. But expect revenge.

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    • Tough one.
      However I would just leave. Women are merciless when they fall out of love. They can’t expect us to act differently. Just leave.

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    • this is interesting not because you’ve shown that alpha behavior (being an asshole, cheating, etc.) tingles her vagina, but because you’re actually trying to get her to leave, not keep her.

      i think you’re right, if you revert to beta, she might dislike or resent you, but not necessarily leave you.

      if you want her to initiate the breakup, you may need to find her ‘alpha limit’, and exceed it in a major way.

      but it will probably be easier for you to leave.

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  44. Stingray…great questions.

    If the guy can wait ( specifically for intercourse)….he is THE guy! I am LTR material focused. If he breaks up because of SEX or the absence of it then I’ll know. So far, he is waiting! sweet cakes! : )

    ps I will never try to keep someone with sex. It will never work..heh, maybe short term not long term.

    GREAT questions Stingray!

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    • Use ever tool you have to keep a man, especially sex.

      If you are great at sex and cooking and keep fit, you’ve given yourself a lot of breathing room for other inadequacies.

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      • Agreed. What many women fail to realise is that if all you have to offer a man is your looks and sex; then that is all men will “take” you for.

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    • My guy is staying…there’s more to me than sex. If I use my sexual talents, it will be icing and the cherry on the cake! previews, previews…..ha!

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    • Thanks. Things have changed quite a bit since I last dated. Been married for twelve years but we’ve been together for fifteen. In college, a fair majority of the girls would make the guys wait, at least some period of time. You did’t hear too much about ONS. I guess I didn’t fully realize how much things had changed until I started reading here a few months ago, but I am glad to here that there are a few women who wish to wait and that there are still some men who would like to meet these kinds of women. I truly hope I never find myself in the dating market again. I don’t think I would like it much.

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      • Stingray,

        Women/girls like yourself are hard to find now a days. Pass on what you know. Keep smiling! : )

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      • “Things have changed quite a bit since I last dated.”

        A lot of things have changed since the 1920s…
        Just kidding, i like stingray.

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      • LOL! I’ll take that as a compliment!

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      • Sting it’s tough out here! Be glad u found your boo 🙂 you come off a very solid woman don’t think u will be back on market anytime soon – if so ur hubby would be nuts. 🙂

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      • Stingray

        Thanks. Things have changed quite a bit since I last dated. Been married for twelve years

        congrats! thats such a long time. if ever you drop enough of those matrimonial pounds, you’ll be right back on top in the Dating Scene.

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      • Heh, no. I work out (lift weights) regularly. Size 6 and lean. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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  45. lol X

    – my advice to a young woman ..say my daughter would be quite different ..there is NO value ..connecting your intimate value(assuming a young woman does have value) to a strong alpha’s desires..unless she herself was organically very sexual..most women are not ..however most women desire to hook up with someone of percieved more value because they feel worthless..imo

    ..it is a fake superimposed sexuality based on long term effects of years of advertisng ..and a cultural decline and immaturity ..”I was on Howard Stern” or “I was in Snoop Dog’s new porno..minute 1:35 is my tits and ass”..lol todays mindset

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    • Women do catch Alphas – regularly. Same night sex regularly leads to an LTR and even marriage.

      I understand that building things slowly is ONE preferred mating style. But understand that women want the unicorn – the family man alpha – and will sacrifice on security in trade for alpha traits. Sometimes the gambit works. More or less.

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  46. Rollos writings here have always raised the value of the comments section, but even with their consistent quality I was surprised to see the quality of his work on his blog.

    http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/

    Shaping up to a be a real contribution. Thanks from me, and I’ll speak for other men and give thanks from them too.

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  47. when women are ovulating, they prefer sex with men of their own race.)
    ——
    Why do I think about Jon Hamm?

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  48. For those who post under the handle Anonymous, I’d like to put upon you for a moment with the suggestion that you consider why it has been standard social etiquette since the very beginning of the internet to use one recognizable handle for all your posts in a particular forum.

    A part of social discourse involves trading on social capitol. Subverting that process detracts from intimacy and leaves each post without context.

    You are already anonymous. No one is going to come knocking on your door. Etiquette and courtesy are not arbitrary.

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  49. Oh, and I’m so ashamed.

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  50. anonymous rhymes with dickless.

    Dammit, find a nym and stay with it. At least that way the rest of us have a chance to form an opinion about your lame on-line fake persona.
    There is nothing wrong with being a troll. We are all trolls, in our own way.
    My advice, store ammo and learn to lie.

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  51. If sex is really about maintaining a species’ identity against assimilation with closely related species — a sort of Darwinian nationalistic response to the borg collective — then does this add weight to group selection theory? It would seem so. I’ll leave it to the reader to explore avenues arising from this line of thinking. (Just a little something to get you started: when women are ovulating, they prefer sex with men of their own race.)

    Reductio ad absurdum: If taken to its logical extreme, this theory would predict that girls would want to fuck their own brothers when they’re ovulating. That is of course not true, thus casting doubt on the whole theory.

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  52. The thread regarding finger length ratio vs. testosterone has a closed comments section thus posting here in a similar type bio measurement thread. Have a look at Michelle Obamas’ index-to-ring finger ratio as she welcomes fascism & waves bye-bye to the Republic. It’s a man’s hand, and a psychopaths one at that.

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  53. There was a reason women who cuckolded husbands were killed and men who raped women were often beaten and then given some horrible death (burning, hanging, dumping into a bog, ritual murder).

    The reason? Theft of reproductive choice. The partner (raped woman/cuckolded man) was given no choice. It was the ultimate abuse: Abduction of genetic future.

    Of course, provisions were in-built in humans to deal with it: Jealousy in males, social resistance among groups of females/female influence over male relatives to enforce social norms (see: modern misandrist society).

    These days, females are more or less encouraged to cuckold by the system. Men are given no recourse.

    Basically, the modern social order enforces female reproductive priority and denies it to men.

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