Quality Girl

I’m often asked “What do you consider a quality girl?” This is a good question, if by quality we mean a girl I’d be willing to date long term (>3 months), to invest more than the minimal amount of my time and energy, and to feel secure, if I were so inclined, in committing myself exclusively without worry that she might spread her legs for any random guy who happens to catch her alone on an especially drunken night and says the right things about how good her forehead looks in the reflection of the beer bottle.

Very few… and I mean VERY few… women in DC have met my exacting standards of quality. I’d estimate that of all the girls I’ve dated in this city less than 10% were worthy of my full attention. I’d hazard to guess that if all men held themselves to the same high standards I do and didn’t kowtow to the first chick who deigned to bless them with a crumb of affection there’d be universal agreement among DC men that my 10% figure is accurate. Maybe in flyover country the number of quality girls hits 25%. In Poland it is 80%. The times have changed and quality girls are no longer the norm.

So what makes a quality girl? Well, I know what *doesn’t* make a quality girl.

  • She has cheated more than three times in her life, or has cheated more than once on the same boyfriend.
  • She forgets to say “thank you” when you buy her a drink. Buying her a second drink confirms her ingratitude.
  • She dates around. Dating around — specifically, seeing more than one person concurrently — is a prerogative of men only, for reasons having to do with the greater leverage men need to arm themselves with to compete in a dating market that is fundamentally tilted in favor of women. Any girl who makes a habit of dating more than one guy at a time, especially if the parallel dating lasts longer than one month, in order to milk her options is a bad seed. In all my years of banging, one soulsaving thing I’ve learned is to walk away from any girl who I’ve discovered is also dating other men. Even if I beat the competition and win her over, it never ends well.
  • She tells you she has a long distance boyfriend she loves, then proceeds to bang you anyway. A few months later, you see her groping a new guy, and she’s still with her boyfriend. (That relationship is doomed.)
  • Her default mode is sarcasm, negativity, coarseness, and shamelessness.
  • She spends twice as much time getting ready for a house party than she spends getting ready for a date with you.
  • She can’t control her impulse to flirt with other men. Double minus points if she does this in your presence.
  • She doesn’t seem nervous undressing in front of you the first time.
  • She fucks you on a pretense of less than the sum total of an hour of conversation, and calls you the next day worried that your condomless sex might have given her something. (She’s been down this road before.)
  • She is proud to be on the pill and considers her dependence on it a carte blanche slut sanctioner instead of a safety net affection fortifier.
  • She is cavalier about casual sex.

A quality girl does the opposite of all the above. She doesn’t cheat, and if she does she has a plausible rationale. But she will still feel bad about it. She is generous when it is risky to be so. She is positive and lifts people up, not pushes them down to lift herself up. She laughs at the absurdity and beauty of the world, but never at the expense of others. She is warm, and this is something that can’t be taught. She says “I love you” early and often out of conviction, not inquisition. She understands that her heart is more important than her pride.

A high quality girl is good for standing by, sticking with, supporting always, loving fully, defending righteously, and if the timing is right, embracing for life to the exclusion of all others. She is the type of girl who can enthrall you with her words alone. She can make you smile over the phone. She can be far away but feel near. She is often discovered in the unlikeliest places, and her magic is the energy that animates her pretty face, rather than the other way around.

Low quality girls are good for fucking, a few laughs, some funny digicam pics, and that’s it. Spare your hard-earned manly capital — your time, your resources, your protection, your commitment, your LOVE — for those few quality girls you might meet if you’re lucky. And speaking as a man who has seen, heard and experienced enough to turn the most naive optimist into a stone cold cynic, if you do meet a girl like that, you would be a fool to pass her up. Her kind is going extinct.





Comments


  1. This blog was kind of a let down. I expected to be offended at least a dozen times, but only found one item on your list to be mildly aggravating. (Take a guess at which one).

    I think your feelings for that girl in Canada who paints your portrait is making you soft.

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  2. She says “I love you” early and often out of conviction, not inquisition. She understands that her heart is more important than her pride.

    You see, that is where it is hard for a “quality” girl. She has already been burned by so many players, she is scared to put her heart on the line again.

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  3. There is way, way more to the quality of a woman than her behavior in the dating game. Way more. I mean, shit. Have you ever lived with these girls for any length of time? You’ll very rapidly discover what is and isn’t quality when you have to cohabitate with a wretch. I’m afraid this post may mislead wayfaring protoalphas into thinking that how she dates and how she fucks are the only things that matter. No wonder divorce rates are so high.

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  4. She fucks you on a pretense of less than the sum total of an hour of conversation, and calls you the next day worried that your condomless sex might have given her something. (She’s been down this road before.)

    If you were willing to nail her sans scumbag after knowing her for less than an hour, then you are a moron.

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  5. Agreed with them being rare as all hell. A quick count of girls i’ve gotten to know in the past 4 years who meet your criteria…and I come up with about 30 or so. However…about 4 or 5 that are currently single. A large number are engaged or married or in the same relationship since high school or something ridiculous.

    That’s a part of the problem – these girls are prone to choose men more wisely and not be afraid of monogamous long term relationships. Meaning there are a LOT less of them out there on the market since a great deal of them are already in healthy relationships.

    The annoying part about all this is that I know quite a few girls who know that the alphas really like quality girls – so they pretend. I know way too many women who put up the front of conservative nice girl – and they can’t resist sleeping with anyone and everyone whenever they get away from their normal group of friends. It’s always annoying when you find out a girl you thought was quality actually has infamous tucker-maxish stories about how much of a slut she is.

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  6. The behavior of a woman in the dating game is a window into her character, so what Roissy is saying is relevant to what she’ll be like in the long run.

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  7. on August 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm Patrick Bateman

    #2 Lemmonex
    You see, that is where it is hard for a “quality” girl. She has already been burned by so many players, she is scared to put her heart on the line again.

    Quality girls haven’t been burned much. A very high quality girl learns her lesson after the first one, if she even fell for that first one.

    #5 Chris
    It’s always annoying when you find out a girl you thought was quality actually has infamous tucker-maxish stories about how much of a slut she is.

    About 10% of women give the high quality vibe but maybe only half of those are actually high quality. I used to give all of these girls a pass. Now I game them all and figure the true high quality girls won’t fall for my shit.

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  8. on August 26, 2008 at 1:55 pm Usually Lurking

    A girl that cheats at all is not quality. It is not THAT hard to find a girl who does not cheat.

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  9. A quality MAN has spent no time with low quality women.

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  10. @ no. 9
    so not true, i am a high quality dude and have spent time with some low-low quality women, i just didn’t marry one of them.

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  11. In Poland it is 80%

    Perhaps. But if you’re dealing with Polish women in the U.S. (or Russian, or Philipino women, or whatever) the number is going to be lower because whether it’s students, au-pairs, or gals looking for husbands, you’re more likely to run into girls with mercenary character traits.

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  12. Wow. I never expected you to be such an old-fashioned romantic, but I guess it was right there all along, hidden right beneath your jaded veneer.

    So I suppose you’ll forever be looking for a perfect woman, while not expecting yourself to come anywhere near perfection yourself.

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  13. 12 Mme. Meow.

    Meow. ^_^

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  14. Pupu agrees with Lemmonex. It is hard to go on loving like that knowing that a 3+ months relationship with a quality guy is bound to end, and all the love poured from both hearts out of conviction is to be boiled down to a percentage. People who could go on loving under all those conditions are likely to be a masochist, a sadist, or both.

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  15. So in other words, Roissy wants a sexless woman who will stay at home with his kids and divorce him when she’s bored with him and wants to extract exclusive payments.

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  16. Roissy,

    This is off-topic, but I had to share. I saw Vicky Christina Barcelona a few days ago, and I strongly recommend it.

    It is a prime example of the perfect alpha using perfect game to bed not one, not two, but three gorgeous women.

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  17. Wow. Amen. We need a version of “where have all the cowboys gone” written from a man’s perspective where we replace cowboys with housewives. ‘Where have all the housewives gone?’

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  18. to #10.
    We are all modeled and shaped by those we spend time with. I man who has been shaped by low quality women is not attractive to a high quality woman. Big turnoff.

    A man can not hide those influences from an intuitive woman. A quality woman will perceive either that you 1) are scarred with cynicism, paranoia, skepticism, or worse. 2) you are hiding something or lack genuineness.

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  19. I live in NYC and have the benefit of some experience. The quality girl percentage is higher than Roissy suggests — much higher. I have a stratospherically high quality gf, and of the dozen women I’ve seen on the side for more than 3 dates, 6 were certifiable keepers by standards of 95% of men.

    A few prescriptive rules:

    Cease gaming a girl after 20 minutes. You may need the mystery method stuff to get a girl into conversation, but if you need heavy game after that to excite her, then she is not a quality girl.

    Aim for 6.5’s to 7.5’s — there are plenty of bad ones in this bunch, but you are much more likely to meet a humble, affectionate, faithful, well-adjusted girl in this group. Shooting for 8’s and above for longterm relationships is a mistake — because of their beauty, these girls have never had to work on their personalities, their sole source of validation is through recognition of their appearance, and they have inflated senses of entitlement (a generalization — exceptions occur).

    Finally, set the relationship dynamics early. Lead like a man, f-ck like a thug, and love with the imagination of a poet — in that precise order. You will have a high quality longterm gf.

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  20. 18 anon

    We are all modeled and shaped by those we spend time with.

    A quality woman will perceive either that you 1) are scarred with cynicism, paranoia, skepticism, or worse. 2) you are hiding something or lack genuineness.

    Appears I am no longer needed here.

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  21. that is where it is hard for a “quality” girl. She has already been burned by so many players, she is scared to put her heart on the line again

    This is why ideally, women should marry at 22-24, to a man eight to ten years older, and approved by their father.

    [Note that I said “approved,” not “picked”]

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  22. Emily 16:

    With Vicky being the fake quality girl who’s trash behind the facade.

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  23. @Peter, I disagree. My first husband and I did that thing on the night we met, and we’d talked for maybe 15 minutes, and danced the other hour or so.

    I was the “designated walker” of my posse, and he was the designated driver of his. It was my job to make sure the other girls in my group didn’t stagger to the car of some strange man, since some guys from another base were visiting ours. So he ended up walking me to my room in the barracks.

    Quality people recognize each other right away, and can do wild romantic stuff like that because all our cards are already on the table. I’ve been told by some guys that one can actually smell a good woman.

    Ricardo Montalban and his wife also had a whirlwind romance. He never actually said in interviews whether or not they banged on the first night, but since they got married 2 weeks after meeting, I’m inclined to think probably.

    The question is whether or not someone will go with their gutt or second guess themselves. Priorities being out of whack will also lead to problems in choices.

    @Chris and others, nothing he said about quality has anything to do with conservativeness. I fit most of his standards for quality, and I’m about as “alternative” as it gets without being illegal. The one I don’t has to do with dating more than one man at a time. It depends what he means by dating.

    If I’m seeing someone who isn’t really my boyfriend, and hasn’t made any claims in that direction, then I am still in the market for a real relationship. I have tried to make exceptions, but these never turned out well…and I only got “desperate” enough to make these kinds of exceptions when I found myself in a hostile dating environment.

    Ultimately, after I did what I had to do for my conscience (dump my bitch for good, and wait for the others who cared but weren’t ready, to go off and find themselves), I decided to stand down. This brings me to Lemmonex and Patrick’s points…both different perspectives, but both legitimate.

    A quality woman usually had quality male role models, and doesn’t really and truly expect a guy who is relatively nice to be a dog. Even if we know it consciously after the fact, we still hope that it was just a mistake or a phase or bad timing that caused a guy to act a fool.

    We go through so much agony by the time we do realize that he was just stupid, that even one time is too many times to get burned. We know that not all men are dogs, so it’s still a surprise to our inner princess when a guy is, and is able to fool us.

    The thing is, though we go through alot of inner drama over it, viewed rationally most of us don’t get burned very often. We learn very quickly that the way not to get used is to not get used…if someone seems okay, fine, go with the flow, but as soon as any games begin or he starts misbehaving, he loses our attention.

    We nurse our wounds, laugh about it, and move on.

    When that sort of thing starts happening more often than we’re still able to stay optimistic with, we step back and stand down…close the shop for some introspective renovation.

    I’m not advising women to just shag a guy who seems cool because this isn’t a normal situation. I got very lucky, because my ex was quality…just kinda young for marriage, which is the main reason we had to divorce, but he is a good, strong man. Now that he’s older and wiser, I’d marry him again if I believed in marriage.

    …but guys like him are as rare as women like us. A heterosexual guy who can be swept off his feet, appreciates romance, and isn’t a player, is one in a million, if that.

    They are worth the wait though. Just be patient, and that’s half the difficulty solved right there.

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  24. I don’t understand you guys. Either I have some freaky way of attracting a particular type of women or most young women want nothing more than to be housewives after a bit of fooling around. It’s just that there are few guys who can or want to provide that lifestyle and even fewer such guys who are not old, ugly and just dull.

    If you attract but you’re …eeeeeehhrhrm… not that stable you’ll see a lot of women test driving you to see if they can turn you into a provider with a dull corporate job.

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  25. The qualities you list are common in most intelligent woman. You must live in a rotten neighborhood (Def. Rotten Neighborhood: The kind that attracts dumb people unaware of their limitations, yet aspire for fuzzy greatness in the arts).
    And to add to your woes, your zipcode isn’t gender loaded in your favor either.

    http://www.city-data.com/zips/20009.html

    Compare the non-skew with college rich Boston

    http://www.city-data.com/zips/02215.html

    So the number, 1 in 10, makes sense. That’s about the number of girls endowed with both looks and the good sense to learn from mistakes and life (i.e intelligence), two standard deviations apart from the mean. Have you wondered if your cynicism and need for “game” are entirely contingent on the hide you infest?
    What the clueless dickwarts who asked you this question need to know is that quality is entirely determined by quantity (of looks, smarts) and its scarcity in the courter, courtesan, and the court. It is also why you find it a tough one to nail and atypically answer in bromides.

    “She forgets to say “thank you” when you buy her a drink…” Jeez

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  26. Where have all the housewives gone?

    They got jobs and they stopped hitting on me to marry them and pay for their shitty middle class existence.

    but you are much more likely to meet a humble, affectionate, faithful, well-adjusted girl

    Yes, but in most cases, she won’t be attractive enough to bother fucking in any meaningful way. In turn, she’ll probably fake most of her orgasms as she dreams of fucking a real alpha male.

    This is why ideally, women should marry at 22-24, to a man eight to ten years older, and approved by their father.

    Dude, I need unmarried women in their twenties to support my platonic friendships.

    women test driving you

    Or, you’ll get female friends who test drive you to pawn off on their friends.

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  27. Dude, I need unmarried women in their twenties to support my platonic friendships.

    Get a job as a teacher.

    I’m not being facetius. I think it might be a good move for you.

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  28. I don’t understand you guys.

    Most people here are part of the DC – Boston corridor, and you’re in Finland.

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  29. @David who wrote
    “Yes, but in most cases, she won’t be attractive enough to bother fucking in any meaningful way. ”

    People who fuck based on mainstream “attractiveness” are looking for status object to donate their sperm to, and ultimately pay alimony to, not a woman who is more than this.

    …and they kinda deserve the misery that comes along with that.

    You can’t turn a whore into a wife. If you try, you’ll just…fail. If your objective is to find a whore to make a paper marriage with, and make you look good to your likely beta sheeple peers, then you should accept that in order to secure a female like this, you will need to have money and enough edge to smack a hoe when she gets uppity. Maybe not literally smack her, but punish her somehow.

    I use pretty blunt terminology, but really my feelings about this aren’t judgmental. I admit to being subjective, and am just calling it as I see it.

    If you base attractiveness on a primitive or rather sub primitive standard, then you must adapt sub primitive strategies to get what you want.

    “In turn, she’ll probably fake most of her orgasms as she dreams of fucking a real alpha male.”

    Quality women don’t fake. If you’re not hitting it right, we teach you what to do…then if you still don’t hit it right, we leave you to find someone who you feel is good enough to be attentive to.

    We don’t force ourselves on anyone, and don’t argue with a potential partner about our worth.

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  30. zai:
    The qualities you list are common in most intelligent woman. You must live in a rotten neighborhood (Def. Rotten Neighborhood: The kind that attracts dumb people unaware of their limitations, yet aspire for fuzzy greatness in the arts).

    “The report said 42.5 percent of Washington-area residents have a bachelor’s degree and 19 percent have a graduate degree, greater than San Francisco’s bachelor’s degree rate of 37.3 percent and graduate degree rate of 14.1 percent. Washington also claims the highest percentage of PhDs, at 2.5 percent of the population.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/08/AR2006060800133.html

    you have it completely ass backwards, zai. the most educated girls are often the least qualified for long term commitment, at least during their prime sexual marketability. once the decline begins in earnest, they suddenly see the light. heh.

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  31. Thursday once advised going to teachers’ conventions, ones where there’d be lots of elementary school teachers. Cheaper than flying to Poland!

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  32. Most people here are part of the DC – Boston corridor, and you’re in Finland.

    It doesn’t matter. The same complaints are all over Finnish blogs.

    The best part of knowing languages is noticing that most things that get considered national peculiarities are not. If you translated the rants on American women you see on this blog into Finnish/Swedish/German/whatever and replaced every mention of Americans with the appropriate nationality, no one would notice and the blog would fit in just fine in the local blogosphere’s men-ranting-about-women section.

    Actually, some human universals are even more obvious in countries that are deeper into equality promotion. We’ve spent forever with quotas promoting women into leadership positions and what’s the result? Make a young woman a minister and she’ll just drop out after realizing that making babies is much more fun than arguing with Vladimir Putin.

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  33. on August 26, 2008 at 5:33 pm David Alexander

    Get a job as a teacher.

    Firstly that job requires a masters degree. Secondly, various “factors” will lead me into teaching in the schools where the students will beat the shit out of me. Thirdly, if I teach, my parents will demand that I get a PhD and become a professor. Fourthly, teachers fall under the sexless category of females.

    Of course, I may be willing to overlook those downsides if you can explain why I should bother…

    You can’t turn a whore into a wife

    I’m not looking for a wife. I’m looking for a short to medium term sex partner and friend, but in two different women. Neither women will be able to hold me down with various responsibilities like in marriage.

    Quality women don’t fake.
    All women fake, and it’s pointless to try and turn beta males into good lovers. It’s simply not within their specifications or understanding.

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  34. This is probably a dumb question from a newbie, but aren’t most of the qualities you list fundamental attributes of a kind-hearted, decent, “nice” girl? I mean, if you strip away the sex and relationship aspect, you described someone whom most people would like to be around.

    This seems to suggest that a good strategy for finding quality girls is to avoid looking in bars and clubs, and maybe to avoid spending most of your time in places full of high-powered, high-strung women. I realize that this could be difficult for some men, depending on their jobs.

    It also suggests that the old-fashioned idea of meeting potential mates through family and friends, or in school or at work (rather than a place where most people are hoping to find someone to fuck) would yield a higher return rate.

    But, again, I am a naive newbie. What do I know?

    Where have all the housewives gone? Some think they have to have a career in order to find a “quality” man. They think this because “quality” men often assume that any woman who isn’t career-driven must be dumb and because many men who might otherwise be “quality” no longer want to be the sole providers for their families.

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  35. on August 26, 2008 at 5:33 pm David Alexander

    Make a young woman a minister and she’ll just drop out after realizing that making babies is much more fun than arguing with Vladimir Putin.

    Well, when you’re the Ulkoasiainministeri regardless of sex, it’s probably pointless to argue with thugs like Putin. Although, I could never understand why somebody would drop a relatively glamourous high end dream job for something as degrading and pointless as making and raising babies.

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  36. on August 26, 2008 at 5:42 pm David Alexander

    They think this because “quality” men often assume that any woman who isn’t career-driven must be dumb

    That’s because they are dumb. They’re too stupid to finish college or major in something useful, so they want to become housewives to leech off productive men. There is no incentive to marry an unemployable, low IQ female that will replicate more idiots in the world.

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  37. @David, maybe you just think all women fake because you tend to go for the fake women. I already told you that if you go for hoes, you need to learn to master the art of smackin’ a hoe.

    Smack that hoe, and she’ll cum like an earthquake.

    …but not all women fake. It’s just that those of us who are really orgasmic and giving in bed, don’t have a chance with you. You’re not looking for us.

    So don’t complain…do what you need to do to get what you want.

    Open hand…clean and firm but low impacting sweeping motion.

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  38. @Laura, I think you’re right. I take my oldest aunts’ and parents’ suggestions very seriously, minus the religious bits. I’d probably date someone they suggested.

    Actually, because of my dating issues here, I’ve asked my parents to think about arranging someone.

    …but then my first ex expressed some interest, and their being religious, they think I should give him another shot if possible.

    They know a few guys though, who they think might fit. If the ex thing doesn’t work out, I’ll have some good old fashioned introductions. 🙂

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  39. on August 26, 2008 at 5:53 pm Usually Lurking

    …many men who might otherwise be “quality” no longer want to be the sole providers for their families.

    This is a good point. Many men nowadays do not want to be the sole bread winner. I am not sure if this is because of culture, though. Being the sole bread-winner of a young family and competing with DINKs in buying a house must be a nightmare.

    Since everyone else, nowadays, has two incomes, then, you must have two incomes.

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  40. on August 26, 2008 at 6:14 pm David Alexander

    You’re not looking for us.

    Of course not. Most normal women can not induce orgasm for me. I need my pornstars to do that for me. You could be as orgasmic as possible, but if you don’t fit the “sexual” mold for me, you’ll never induce an erection from me.

    So don’t complain…do what you need to do to get what you want.

    Sadly, bitchslapping would induce feelings of guilt and induce nightmares and daydreams that will never go away. Besides, only third rate low class niggers bitchslap women.

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  41. on August 26, 2008 at 6:21 pm Patrick Bateman

    …I could never understand why somebody would drop a relatively glamourous high end dream job for something as degrading and pointless as making and raising babies.

    You are not a woman. What’s degrading about making babies? It’s certainly not pointless; we’d be extinct without people making babies. I have more respect for a good mother than a great female executive. Maternal instincts are probably the most important attributes of high quality women. Quality women universally want to take care of children and though they are tender, they are also able to fight like a man if they need to protect those children. You should see my girlfriend when she’s taking care of her nieces and nephews. She makes me want to be a better man.

    Where have all the housewives gone? Some think they have to have a career in order to find a “quality” man.

    My girlfriend feels that her years of education would be wasted if she didn’t have a career. She also thinks she would enjoy her chosen career; she would get to care for babies all day long and make pretty good money doing it too. I would prefer if she could stay at home with the kids, and my income will be enough to support us, but I recognize the importance of keeping her occupied and happy. I spent the summer after undegrad working at a country club and the wives there had nothing to do all day but fuck pool boys. One of the members (A name you might recognize) had a son that was obviously the product of his wife fucking some Latin guy while he was out earning all the money.

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  42. on August 26, 2008 at 6:24 pm Patrick Bateman

    Sadly, bitchslapping would induce feelings of guilt and induce nightmares and daydreams that will never go away. Besides, only third rate low class niggers bitchslap women.

    Maybe a bitchslap is a bit much, but pulling hair and choking should be fine with almost any woman. Give it a shot. Trust me. I grab my girl by the hair and throat, throw her on the bed and she’s begging for the cock. You guys being all tender and shit are not hitting the buttons girls want.

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  43. @David

    That’s just…that’s just sad.

    I have to agree with Patrick. You better learn to pull out your inner pimp of you want to get the hoes.

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  44. This is probably a dumb question from a newbie, but aren’t most of the qualities you list fundamental attributes of a kind-hearted, decent, “nice” girl?

    Of course. I have no doubt whatsoever that far more than 10% of the girls in DC (or any other city) meet these standards, at least outside the nightclub and bar scene.

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  45. Roissy, I usually agree with your takes on things, but I think your quality girl standard might be a little too rigid, and I’ll tell you why. I’ve had a quality girl, so have some of my friends, and a problem that often arises over time is…they can get really, really boring. It’s the female equivalent of the “nice guy” syndrome. And it gets especially dull in the bedroom. I think most madonna/whore complexes get started from men overvaluing the enjoyment they’re going to get from the saintlike girls you describe. Then they end up dating another girl on the side for excitement or going to prostitutes. I’m not saying whores and sluts and DC/NY trash are the way to go, just that the opposite extreme is not always a picnic either. I don’t mind a girl whose made a lot of the mistakes you mention as long as she learned from them quickly and set herself right by a young age (and not when she was over the hill, worn-out and out of options)

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  46. “She says “I love you” early and often…A high quality girl is good for standing by, sticking with, supporting always, loving fully, defending righteously, and if the timing is right, embracing for life to the exclusion of all others. She is the type of girl who can enthrall you with her words alone. She can make you smile over the phone. She can be far away but feel near….”

    Awww. How sweet! There are women that match the above description in Washington D.C.? There sure as hell aren’t any like that where I live!

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  47. Scenario A: you’ve had the best day of your life. Fill in the blanks with whatever that means for you. Let’s say you’ve solved a major problem that’s been dogging you for years, overcome a massive obstacle, defeated an evil foe, made the world a better place. You feel absolutely alive, with the perfect happiness that lets you say and mean it, “I could die now and it would be okay.”

    But you don’t die. Instead, you go home, open the door…and she is there, waiting for you. You say, “This is the perfect ending to this perfect day. There is no one else I would rather come home to than her on this most perfect of days.”

    Scenario B: You guessed it! You’ve just had the worst day of your life. Fill in the blanks as above, but with the worst things you can imagine. You stumble home in a daze; you are utterly spent, physically, emotionally, you’ve got nothing left; you could very easily commit suicide without even knowing what you’re doing.

    You open the door…and she is there, waiting for you. And all you can say is, “Thank God she’s here. Thank God for her. I’m home at last. Everything is going to be okay.”

    A quality woman is one you can see in both scenarios. That is the kind of women you can spend a lot more than 3 months with. More like a lifetime. The woman you can see fitting perfectly in each scenario, The Day From Heaven or The Day From Hell, is the woman you should marry.

    Funny isn’t it how “quality” in this post sounds a bit like the word “goodness”, but scrubbed clean of its smarmy virginal associations and updated for the modern world. But it’s the same thing really, at its heart.

    Roissy is talking about what makes a woman a good woman. Really good, not phony “virtuous”, good, really truly good.

    And as I’ve said before, Roissy is aching all over for a woman like that. Roissy, and Gamesters everywhere, will only be happy when they’ve earned (and you have to earn) the love of a good woman. Aka a “quality girl”.

    It’s the only thing that ever really works. We men fight it, but it’s the truth. We need the love of a good woman to be happy.

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  48. [email protected]

    By college experienced, I do not imply educated women. And by dumb, I don’t just imply IQ dumb.

    The median undergraduate institution in the US is a joke anyways. College (Undergraduate) happens to be the one estrogen laden crucible in which many women at last realize the downside of the American Feminist Movement they have been drip fed through inevitable cultural exposure. (Women far outnumber men in most non-state college now, ; guess the bar’s retardedly low in state colleges).

    The women who still don’t get it rush, with blinders on, into higher education. Even here, however, there are splinters:
    The fool in one of those fuzzy fields where the quantifiable benefit for humankind is resolutely close to zero…deconstructive self-destructivist. The (rare) geek, who really is into science or whatever. While totally unlike the conventional ideal of a woman, she becomes a demigoddess among the deprived denizens of those dank dens. She, however, checks herself into the Not Applicable category among those whose skin the sun shines on.
    Finally, the one in empathetic, nurturing fields (a good and worthy catch). The maternal essence is still strong with her. She is definitely not the one traipsing the corridors of World Bank sucking Wolfowitzian phalli. (I am guessing that DC specializes in this kind).

    So yeah, consider undergraduate college experience as a proxy for good nurture, conditioning in a testosterone starved environment, and a good enough head.

    [email protected]

    What in the world do you think has a point? Everything is a means to keep us occupied. And how can you be stupid enough to imagine you can predict how the body adapts its chemistry when faced with the prospect of nurturing a child? You may not like the notion now, and you may not like it even when faced with the blooming of an errant seed, but a lot more often than not, your body adapts you to the situation.

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  49. Well, when you’re the Ulkoasiainministeri regardless of sex, it’s probably pointless to argue with thugs like Putin.

    We’re not usually stupid enough to make young people foreign ministers. The most recent female minister to leave to make babies was actually the minister of foreign trade. Not that the Russians are much more reasonable in economic disputes, of course, but at least they don’t settle them with tanks anymore.

    Although, I could never understand why somebody would drop a relatively glamourous high end dream job for something as degrading and pointless as making and raising babies.

    As a teenager, I used to dream of fame and wealth all that because I thought it would get me the chicks. Once I started to get laid well enough on my own, I no longer saw the point. High end jobs are a lot of work and you don’t get to take money with you when you die. Why bother?

    I’m a man, so I’m not built to love babies that much. I’m built to love sex with a lot of partners – which according to a lot of women and envious men is degrading and pointless. If I could support myself managing a good stable of women, it would be awesome. Is there some point to it? Of course not. It’s just forgetting a career in favour of the base desires from your genetic programming. I’d still love to do it if I could.

    Pimps are the male equivalent of housewives.

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  50. to T. @45
    Agree with the comment on maternal instincts. Part of exercising strong maternal instincts is choosing the best father. I’m doubting that an alpha could be a durable effective father.

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  51. It’s a crapshoot regardless. My first wife would have qualified under any analysis and then, rather than show loyalty to me in a moment of crisis, she bailed with divorce. Thankfully it wasn’t one of those disaster divorces and I left with my assets intact.

    YMMV, but DC (I used to live over the river in Virginia), is hardly where you want to hunt down quality women. Go Northern European, South American, Near East Asia, and US Midwest for those.

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  52. on August 26, 2008 at 8:07 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    I think Mrs. Grzlickson is cheating on me.

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  53. Roissy’s list boils down to:

    *Faithfulness, won’t screw other guys.
    *Empathy and emotional support.
    *Average IQ at least.
    *Moderate attractiveness

    That’s it. Most guys will settle for that. Probably a dissenting opinion, but most guys are in terms of relationships less pulled to beauty than women think, once an absolute floor has been reached. “Mary Ann or Ginger?” For most guys, it’s Mary Ann. Because she’s well, “nicer.” More likely to be the fantasy of faithfulness, supportive, empathetic. While Ginger will be the hot-sex, Lindsay Lohan type, off with someone else as soon as you finish.

    The Mythbusters Kari Byron, Alyson Hannigan, Michelle Trachtenberg, and quite a number of other actresses have mined “the Girl Next Door” territory quite well. Despite lacking “supermodel” looks, their “niceness” vibe makes them more sexually appealing as a fantasy.

    Unfortunately, most women in the consumerist world of today lack the attribute of faithfulness. There is not any moral censure in the anonymous, highly mobile, urban, and constantly churning environment. So most young women act as lesser variants of Lindsay Lohan. In NYC for example, the number of sex partners for young women can easily exceed 20, and can often reach 40-60, Sex and the City numbers. As opposed to the national average of 9. [Which is still far too high btw, learned behavior is to ignore oxytocin and other hormones produced during sex that bond men and women together.]

    Men want Mary Ann, they end up with Ginger, and it’s no wonder that very few men extend monogamy to a type of woman they don’t expect it back from.

    As noted, when women’s looks start to fade in their thirties, they end up with the “lesser” non-Alpha guys who don’t have much good experience with women, don’t value them much, and still yearn for a Mary Ann while dating casually a washed-up Ginger.

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  54. “…her magic is the energy that animates her pretty face, rather than the other way around.”

    Could you explain this?

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  55. on August 26, 2008 at 8:53 pm David Alexander

    What’s degrading about making babies?

    It’s a waste of time and intellectual capacity that could be devoted towards making money and avoiding being reliant on another person for one’s subsistence.

    I have more respect for a good mother than a great female executive

    I have respect for the latter because she worked her ass off to achieve power and wealth. The latter just managed to accumulate some semen in her vagina and wait nine months, and had enough of an IQ to prevent her kids from fucking up.

    She makes me want to be a better man.

    If you require a female to make you into a better man, then you’re a miserable excuse for man, and you deserve to have the State rape you of finances due to your stupidity.

    Maybe a bitchslap is a bit much, but pulling hair and choking should be fine with almost any woman.

    As much as I enjoy watching that in porn, I simply can’t do that in real life to a woman. Again, it reeks of the behaviour of a brooding nigger/white trash male.

    Besides, I’m in no mood to go to a court, and find my 400GB porn collection used against me in a rape case. White girls have that fun tendency to pull that shit when she wants revenge, or wants to cover up her stupidity in fucking a loser beta male. Personally, I have no faith in the jury of my “peers”.

    You better learn to pull out your inner pimp of you want to get the hoes.

    The inner pimp is the scourge of the black community, IMHO.

    High end jobs are a lot of work and you don’t get to take money with you when you die. Why bother?

    Quite frankly because stuff isn’t free. Vacations to Europe aren’t free, sports cars aren’t free, condos aren’t free, railfanning trips aren’t free, and high end desktop computers aren’t free. That’s why I want the fucking money.

    When you have money, people treat you like a deity, and you can literally get away with murder. The women who may throw themselves at you is simply a bonus.

    Men want Mary Ann, they end up with Ginger

    Then feminists are right, men are fucking stupid.

    You fuck Ginger, you befriend Mary Ann, and you marry neither of them, and it works out for everybody. They spend their money on things they like, and I spend my money on shit that I like. Nobody fucking wastes money on supporting other people in shitty long term arrangements like marriage.

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  56. @David…somehow I get the impression that you got burned.

    I mean…not preferring something is one thing, but you seem to be a bit overly negative. I don’t think this came out of nowhere.

    Thing is, all this talk about how the women you want don’t want you…makes me thing maybe most of your pain is self inflicted. In case I get chewed out for that again, that’s why I’m not going too deep into the specifics. It’s an abyss I don’t feel like staring into deeply.

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  57. “A quality MAN has spent no time with low quality women.”

    Huh. And how does he know low if he’s never been there I’d like to know. Not just in the bedroom mind you.

    Roissy said: “She doesn’t seem nervous undressing in front of you the first time.”

    Do you know how much work it is not appearing nervous? I’ve done the timid thing and I’ve done the relax and go with it thing, and relaxing is just better.

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  58. Quite frankly because stuff isn’t free. Vacations to Europe aren’t free, sports cars aren’t free, condos aren’t free, railfanning trips aren’t free, and high end desktop computers aren’t free. That’s why I want the fucking money.

    David, not everyone wants the same things. You might think that families are pointless but some people think that sports cars and high end computers are pointless. I don’t drive and I’m still running windows 98. Travel is pretty much the only expensive thing I’d wish to do.

    When you have money, people treat you like a deity,

    Only if you have lots and lots of it. I see the point of it if you have George Soros levels of money, but most upper middle class careers are just “degrading and pointless”. You work overtime getting wealthy murderers out of prison and the big difference is that your car is better than what the average guy has and your house is bigger? Bah.

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  59. Still looking for Beatrice Roissy?

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  60. To David Alexander, thank you for making me laugh out loud with your absurd comments

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  61. @ 59:
    Aren’t we all.

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  62. on August 26, 2008 at 11:17 pm Patrick Bateman

    Damn David, you are a bitter fellow

    It’s a waste of time and intellectual capacity that could be devoted towards making money and avoiding being reliant on another person for one’s subsistence.

    That still doesn’t make it degrading. You assume children create no value, but children are priceless to many people. Goldman Sachs won’t love you when you’re old (or when you’re young) but children will and they will provide you with grandchildren as well.

    If you require a female to make you into a better man, then you’re a miserable excuse for man…

    Read carefully before making asinine comments. I did not imply that I needed her to make me into a better man, only that she made want to be a better man. Real men understand the importance of having a good woman to inspire us, the rest of you are just fully grown males, but not really men. We’ve evolved with the females of the species, it makes sense that we only achieve our full potential in their company, and the same is true of them.

    …and you deserve to have the State rape you of finances due to your stupidity.

    Prenup and careful financial planning, dipshit.

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  63. 62: Goldman Sachs won’t love you when you’re old (or when you’re young) but children will

    You *hope*.

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  64. 19: Cease gaming a girl after 20 minutes….Aim for 6.5’s to 7.5’s — there are plenty of bad ones in this bunch, but you are much more likely to meet a humble, affectionate, faithful, well-adjusted girl in this group.

    Truest, most sensible things ever written on this blog. Bar none.

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  65. Money gives you free time to travel. Free time without travel sucks, and travel without free time isn’t that good either. No free-time and no travel is the natural state of mankind, at least nowadays we earn some future free time and travel from it.

    As for women, don’t waste too much time on them. Once you leave the richer areas of the world using your free time to travel, they will be readily available.

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  66. I love David Alexander.

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  67. She dates around. Dating around — specifically, seeing more than one person concurrently — is a prerogative of men only, for reasons having to do with the greater leverage men need to arm themselves with to compete in a dating market that is fundamentally tilted in favor of women

    SMDH^^^

    All of your other points I agree with 100%.

    I use many of the same rules for men.

    According to this list, I am a quality girl.

    🙂

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  68. Once you leave the richer areas of the world using your free time to travel, they will be readily available.

    Well, I’ll grant that this is actually different where I live. It’s 15 minutes to ex-communist Europe, so I could follow that plan without much money or free time…

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  69. She says “I love you” early and often out of conviction, not inquisition.
    Most men want to be adored by women. You must remember that not all women are going to treat you in the same manner that your mother did.

    She fucks you on a pretense of less than the sum total of an hour of conversation, and calls you the next day worried that your condomless sex might have given her something.
    AND
    She is cavalier about casual sex

    Lifetime is full of movies about the dark side of ^^^.

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  70. Nicole 23

    “…but guys like him are as rare as women like us. A heterosexual guy who can be swept off his feet”

    check

    “, appreciates romance,”

    check. I’m tempted to say double check.

    ” and isn’t a player,”

    Um, well …. Used to be something of a player. Meaning sometimes a real player but sometimes not, not manic about it, not my only or highest priority, but the ability was/is a core part of my being.

    Now you’re really talking about how his past predicts your future with him. What I want Nicole is to love one woman deeply for the rest of my life, and only her, but to sometimes have sex with other women, but in a way that respects her, isn’t humiliating, and doesn’t genuinely take away from her if she’s open minded enough. I mean all of that completely and no it isn’t fantasy.

    It is a hard sell to women in TODAY’s Anglosphere feminist world. (Never been to Israel but it’s certainly deeply plugged into that world, and Jews in America (and they go back and forth to Israel all the time, a lot of them) certainly had a lot to do as in absolutely lead every step of the way, feminism here.) It’s probably a near impossible sell if you aren’t alpha, but it’s damn hard even if you are.

    Oh she might make noises before you’re married, but after awhile after is another story I think. My own marriage and divorce experience isn’t really in this realm but it sure doesn’t contradict it.

    is one in a million, if that.

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  71. I have been reading your posts and replies for a few days now–it was linked from another, somewhat conservative website as an example of western cultural decay.

    I rather think all of this is funny. I also think your fathers, both those of you who are “men” and those who are “women”, failed to teach you certain things about the world. So let me pass on to you all that which your overly busy, two income household parents forgot to teach you.

    First and foremost, there have always been naughty girls and rakes for men–this is nothing new. Your own mother may have been a tart and your own father a lech–they just got “stuck” with you or a sibling. Rich girls have always had the luxury of slutdom afforded them–their parents had the money to send them away and pretend it was a boarding school. In the modern age (beginning with the 60’s) poor girls got the pill. Before that, poor girls had shotgun weddings.

    The good girls and the bad girls are there to be seen by age 14–in my time and yours. This has always been so and is not exclusive to urban areas. In fact, rural girls are much more likely to put out as teenagers than urban girls, all other things being equal–as they still think they will marry numero uno.

    Naughty little boys are also readily seen by this age–they are the ones who have been getting naughty little girls to giggle at dirty jokes since 5th or 6th grade. They graduate and move on to bigger things by age 14 or 15–even in my day–my father’s as well. Thus, little girls learn to see this at an early age. How they deal with it is based largely upon their relationship with their father.

    Thats right, show me a girl with a bad relationship or no relationship with her father, and I will show you a bar slut. They used to teach this in college level psych classes. I suppose they have stopped due to the ugly feminists demanding equality for sluts as well.

    Quality cannot be bought–it is what is really known as “character” and, it is clearly seen on the face of a man and in his eyes–as it is with a woman. I do not know what it is you define as a “alpha” male, but my guess is is that that is a socio-economic construct. Meaning it depends on where you are in life and where you came from economically. But what makes a man a man is, as my mother used to say, someone who is strong enough to be gentle. I just don’t see that much anymore. What I see are cowards and blowhards. You “men” need to grow some testicles. You need to learn to say “no”–just as much as women do.

    Hence, I suppose, the movie or song–“where have all the cowboys gone”. I come from a long line of alpha males–real ones. Men who were both highly intelligent, gorgeous to look upon and athletic powerhouses. We boast multiple generations of athletic champions in a variety of endeavors–my son, 20 years old, is a collegiate wrestler who has beaten members of the US olympic team–he will do that after college. My father a two time state and national champion–his father as well, in English dressage. Generations of officers in time of war, business men in time of peace.

    A real man simply knows that he is and has no need to prove it–he does what he enjoys and does it in such a way that he hurts no one. In other words, he is a gentleman. A gentleman may keep a mistress until the “right one” comes along–but he must be honest about it with his mistress. She will eventually marry someone in her class–a beta, who will be happy such a woman deigned to take him. In the meantime, she gets to play with a man she could never have otherwise.

    The bar scene you all talk about it is not new–it came into being during the WW2 generation–my parent’s time. I could drink legally in bars at the age of 18–and did. I explain that scene to my two older children (a male, a female in HS) and someday their itty bitty baby brother, now 4, that it is a place where skanky men and skanky women go to tell lies to one another. And they all agree to believe the lies, for the night, so they can then wallow in their debauchery without guilt or conscience. It has always been thus–just read some real history. It was always the lower classes that behaved as such–its when the upper classes do so that the society is considered to have become decadent and will soon fall.

    No, I’m not a prude. I lived with my first real girlfriend–number 15, that I met in HS. I was married to yet another at 24 and in between, I lived in a house with 3 “older” women. I was divorced at age 26 and married my children’s mother at age 30. I suppose I have slept with something between 75 and 100 women. Only 6 or 8 of them were one night stands–not my cup of tea. No challenge in bedding a woman that anyone can have. I did date as many as 6 women at the same time–but they all knew about it. My first wife was a homecoming queen and a beauty queen, never remarried, owns half of a paper factory. My second wife was a cheerleader– weight lifter when I met her–has two degrees, one on child psychology and has a trust fund as big as McCain’s wife. She is far better looking than McCain’s wife as well. In fact, she still gets whistles from college boys and she has borne me four children, one who died, and is well over 40.

    So, what advice would I give you, were you my “children”? The first love is always the best love–the sweetest, and it can and does, last a lifetime. Barring that, consider this; trashy women are a dime a dozen–if you wish to stand out, hold yourself above that. You will never meet anyone worth marrying in a bar. So go to church, join professional organizations and look for men/women who are dignified and dress well. Anyone can look like a slob nowadays, as always, so why not choose those who care enough to dress with class? I could never understand what was sexy about a tart with next to nothing on–give me a woman in a silk Dior dress any day. Yes, quality women dress that way–even in HS.

    There is an old adage, if you want to know what the girl will be like in the years to come, look at her mother. The same can be said of young men. The fruit seldom falls far from the tree. Stop wasting your money on cheap booze and go get a real life–there is where the quality women are. I understand your frustration, but remember this as well–the longer you put off finding one to marry, the less likely you will ever be to find one worth marrying.

    One last thing, and my female friend agree with me–the biggest bar sluts also tend to be those women who waited for sex for the just the right guy. Then, for whatever reason (he dumped her hard or she gave up entirely) the go ballistic. My first love did that–and, I saw plenty of girls holding out who at some point got tired of immature boys pretending to be men, who just let loose. Had they met the right man–one who could be discrete about getting his needs met, they would have waiting for the wedding night.

    Something to think about.

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  72. Oh yes–my idea of the perfect woman?

    A Lady in public, a whore in the bedroom. I should think the same applies to a gentleman a lady would want–to some degree, anyway.

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  73. Anon49 —

    You’ve lead an interesting life. What you say here is obviously pretty edited. I mean it’s hard to understand why one or two of the relationships you describe ended -based on what you’ve disclosed. I suspect they threw you out for reasons you aren’t saying. But I’d still say, interesting life. And I’d still say, you’re a man who’s loved and been loved by women, big time.

    I’d have liked to have talked to you five or ten years ago. Or if you were inebriated when you wrote that, when you aren’t.

    Anyway, over all, respect. (I think, based on my tea leaf reading beyond what you’ve said.)

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  74. Damn David, you are a bitter fellow

    I’m not bitter, but I consider myself to be realistic about the world around me. The entire idea of marrying somebody and having a fulfilling relationship that fulfills sexual and emotional needs seems impossible, along with the idea of raising kids in the current world that we live in today. Who wants kids in a world of turbulent economics, peak oil, global warming, and race realism.

    At that point, it just seems to make more sense to extract as much personal happiness as possible, a fulfilling career with high pay seems the best way to buy that happiness.

    Goldman Sachs won’t love you when you’re old (or when you’re young) but children will and they will provide you with grandchildren as well.

    There is no guarantee that your children will love you and bring you any grandchildren in the future. I have more faith in payments made in long-term care insurance than any of my potential children desiring to take care of me because they loved me or I took care of them.

    Read carefully before making asinine comments. I did not imply that I needed her to make me into a better man, only that she made want to be a better man.

    Again, a man doesn’t and shouldn’t need a woman to induce desires to become a better man. Becoming a better man should be a innate desire within every man, and not something caused by a female. As I’ve said before, it’s a sign of weakness. The philosophy of incompleteness without a partner is just simply bunk as far as I’m concerned.

    We’ve evolved with the females of the species

    And we paid for with a non-functioning sex drive.

    I love David Alexander.

    I love you too, Brandy. 🙂

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  75. A Lady in public, a whore in the bedroom

    EPIC FAIL.

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  76. Roissy,

    There are plenty of girls like that——in Red States. You probably would meet a lot of them in a mega-church. They would be utterly unprepared for game at your level, so you’d have the pick of the litter. You’d probably have to damn near-be engaged to them to sleep with them though, and few of them would be over 25.

    I have one pal, who got fucked over big-time in a divorce, actually MARRY A PRETTY 30 year old virgin. She’s a baby-doll. I had a hard time believing such a human being existed. He cant fuck her in the ass or make her drink his cum or videotape her in bed…………………but he said she tries within reason to please him as best she can. She’s a teacher. He has to go to church three times a week with this gal though and she does some volunteer time in community/church projects (all for Jesus according to him). She’s shockingly cute—–and has never been to a nightclub.

    I still have to do a double-take everytime I see those two. Its hard to believe she is for real and exists, but she does. She doesn’t even cuss. She will drink wine with him though. That shocked me. They are going to have a kid. Good for him.

    His ex-wife is pee-green with envy. I hate his ex-wife and hope the spite gives her pancreatic cancer.

    We (the guys) actually wn some rounds out there…………………..

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  77. @ Anon 49-the gentleman who found this blog as a portent of cultural decay:

    Congratulations on the huge ego, my first point is you seem to value sex and money like everyone else here judging by your casual mention of dozens of sexual partners and trust funds via marriage. I am impressed. The intriguing thing is how you write with a tone of superiority and assert because you pursue lascivious and avaricious ends in a ‘dignified’ manner you are Alpha. So by your logic, the means justify the ends…this is all bullshit and your no different from anybody else other than you may be a sociopath or an alchoholic

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  78. David Alexander, Once you’ve purchased everything in your Brookstone and J. Crew catalog and find yourself sans satiation you will realize your not a machine and need human warmth for sustenance just like the rest of us. Your rationale for not having children is foolish, there will always be problems in the world and judging by the amount of time you spend dicking around on blogs you lead a fairly comfortable existence and avoid most serious calamities. Feel free to remove your head from your asshole at your earliest convenience…or just keep entertaining with your emotionally retarded thoughts

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  79. Goldman Sachs won’t love you when you’re old (or when you’re young) but children will and they will provide you with grandchildren as well.

    Tell that to the legions of elderly people living in nursing homes who are lucky if they get four 30 minute visits from their children a year.

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  80. Anon49:A Lady in public, a whore in the bedroom

    I have to agree with David Alexander. My experience and observation has led me to conclude that this bon mot, while laudable in theory, simply doesn’t hold up in reality. Well, there are exceptions of course, but what one is usually faced with is the choice between:

    – a “classy” woman who is too rigid in character to truly surrender to her sensuality

    or

    – a truly vivacious and enthusiastic fuck, who also makes for a capricious and frustrating wife/girlfriend.

    As I said, there are exceptions — I was in a relationship with one for 2 years — but I think it’s a bit too idealistic to wait for that sort of thing to come your way.

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  81. David Alexander:

    “So in other words, Roissy wants a sexless woman who will stay at home with his kids and divorce him when she’s bored with him and wants to extract exclusive payments.”

    There is no one on this blog more sexless than you. You are probably the most pathetic limp dick male I’ve ever encountered.

    Some serious advice. Yes, really. This isn’t baiting and isn’t mean intended. It’s designed to help you. NOT because I care so much (excuse me) but because I know what you prob. don’t and would help you a lot and I’m analytical/ brain inclined.

    You’re a natural cuckold. Works just right with all your strong sexual likes and dislikies. You’re also a natural male submissive, who’s still much more attracted to pussy and women overall than cock, but I suspect you secretly crave dominant cock or would if thrust upon you.

    You’d have to have something to offer beyond devotion, even devotion to an obvious big time slut. You’d have to making some scratch. Not huge but signficant. Equal to hers kind of thing, doubling her total amount more or less.

    I’m talking full blown cuckold by today’s modern definition, not just any and all men who know their wives are fucking others and let them or get off on it. I’m talking full on cuckold.

    (I know something about this because open marriage with strong rules attracts me, but some things scare the piss out of me, e.g. cuckoldry, or divorce, and I’ve wanted to know enough to be sure to avoid.)

    Hey, you could get your porn up close and personal, fucking your wife, in your presence. She could rule you which is what you really want. Some, not so many but some, women also want to dominate a subbie man. They get their biggest thrills from dom men, but they like it both ways, and the subbie man can be made obedient and stlicking, while the dom guy is uncontrollable, esp. for sluts.

    Way to go for David Alexander.

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  82. Chic noiir 79–

    “Tell that to the legions of elderly people living in nursing homes who are lucky if they get four 30 minute visits from their children a year.”

    Completely agree baby. You’re growing one me.

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  83. – a “classy” woman who is too rigid in character to truly surrender to her sensuality

    or

    – a truly vivacious and enthusiastic fuck, who also makes for a capricious and frustrating wife/girlfriend.

    A woman can be a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom if she chooses to be, and if she has a lot of passion for the man. Yes, especially if she is taught to do so. And why not teach her? Men can and should teach women.

    Anon 49 has a lot of wisdom in his post, but it is really not written for the average man or woman. Most people are not ravishingly beautiful or exorbitantly rich, and they still want to find love and happiness. The advice about first love is good, and I have personal experience to bear witness. But a lot of people who experience unrequited love and got burned by early heartbreaks are out there swimming in the dating pool.

    dougjnn, very astute observations on DA. But I think he is still recovering from a rejection from his Canadian mistress and can’t risk his heart like that again. I can really relate to that pain and fear of reopening the wound, but there is no good solution for it.

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  84. @ 78 anony

    Of course there will be a need for human warmth, but that’s what platonic friendships are for. I just think it would be irresponsible to bring children into a world where I can’t shield them from the evil and depressing things in the world. There’s no way at this point that I’ll ever be able to give them the comfortable existence that I barely get now.

    There is no one on this blog more sexless than you. You are probably the most pathetic limp dick male I’ve ever encountered.

    I jerk off way too much to be deemed as sexless.

    You’re also a natural male submissive

    Some would say that I’m simply stubborn while others say that I’m depressed.

    but I suspect you secretly crave dominant cock or would if thrust upon you.

    The last thing I want is cock, and the last thing I’d want to see is my wife getting fucked by some other guy. I’m much too possessive for that. Hell, I puked once after reading a few cuckhold stories, and they only make sense if you’re the guy fucking the woman in front of her pathetic husband.

    Yes, I do read mind control stories about dominant females hypnotizing men, but that’s because they’re fun to read as an alternative perspective where the women pursue the men. Otherwise, I read quite a bit of porn about impregnating women and men transforming women into de facto living sex dolls with the characteristics that I prefer, large tits, big asses, tattoos, acrylic nails, slutty clothes and makeup.

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  85. Anon49 —

    I find it hard to believe much of what you write about your personal experiences. For one, it sounds like bragging, and for another if true it would place you on the extreme of sexual partners for men. According the latest surveys, men nationally average about 20 partners per lifetime. You claim about 5 times the national average!

    Second, your advice is worthless for those who are not in the top 1% of physical fitness, testosterone, and aggression, along with status. Your son would not do particularly well without the wealth and status you can give him along with his physical attributes. Again that does not cover more than 1% of men (wealth-power-status-physique-testosterone).

    Third, you have no direct experience of dating and relating to young women of today, who DO have RADICALLY different behaviors from years past. Even twenty years ago. The latest 2006 Survey reports on US Fertility is out, at the Census Bureau, fascinating reading completely at odds with your statements:

    *”Peak” fertility, i.e. when women choose to have babies, for women of college degrees at least a Bachelors, is 30-34.
    *Fertility among White, College educated women declined 20% from women 20 years ago, i.e. 1986 Survey.

    Data points of one is not … well Data.

    Fourth, women who are religious, go to Church, etc. are mostly old. Attendance in Church is continously declining, younger women who DO attend are no less slutty than those who do, and there is some research at Gene Expression and Inductivist to suggest that they might be slightly MORE slutty than their secular peers.

    Fifth, you are spot on regarding girls relationships with their fathers. Since we are at or soon will be, around 50% of births to single mothers, we can expect women will only get sluttier, from year to year.

    Sixth, you are drawing from the experience of 1986, not today, on how women select for “Alphaness” which is merely the highest ranking testosterone, status, power etc. Women do not care about character, or indeed anything else (other than a negative preference for intelligence, which women find correlated highly with lower testosterone). Given the explosion of preferences and economic freedom for women, this is new social territory and most men who lack the selection criteria are … clueless, hence this site.

    Seventh, you are right to look at the mother for clues to the character of the daughter.

    Eighth, Professional organizations and other non-bar places will be over-run by married people. A man is unlikely to find anyone who is single, let alone single, reasonably attractive and intelligent, and non-slutty.

    Ninth, Bar sluts tend to be those who pursue sex as a consumer good. Which is most young urban professional women. This is a recent development with the loss of shame culture and celebration of consumer sex ala Sex in the City, Desperate Housewives, etc. If you eavesdrop around young (20-something) female baristas, you’d be appalled at the rather gross sexual bragging among them.

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  86. on August 27, 2008 at 3:47 am random passerby

    “Very few… and I mean VERY few… women in DC have met my exacting standards of quality. I’d estimate that of all the girls I’ve dated in this city less than 10% were worthy of my full attention. I’d hazard to guess that if all men held themselves to the same high standards I do and didn’t kowtow to the first chick who deigned to bless them with a crumb of affection there’d be universal agreement among DC men that my 10% figure is accurate. Maybe in flyover country the number of quality girls hits 25%. In Poland it is 80%. The times have changed and quality girls are no longer the norm.”

    If so many women have met your exacting standards of quality, why aren’t you in a long-term relationship yet?

    Anyway, you have it easy. 10% just in your immediate vicinity? My standards are so exacting that I know I will never, ever, ever have a girlfriend even if I travel to the ends of the Earth. It isn’t enough that there are, say, maybe a few hundred women in the world I’d be interested in. I would actually have to run into them, and what are the chances of that happening (I like Asians and I live on the other side of the planet, so…)? The interest would also have to be mutual, and that’s not guaranteed to happen either. A lot of other variables are also involved. I have a better chance of winning the lottery (even though I don’t even play it).

    Oh well. I’ll just remain alone. Unlike desperate alphas and betas, I don’t need to throw myself into the first relationship opportunity that comes along, or go through an endless string of one night stands or “casual” relationships (whatever the fuck those are). I’m not that weak.

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  87. Hope: A woman can be a lady in public and a whore in the bedroom if she chooses to be, and if she has a lot of passion for the man. Yes, especially if she is taught to do so.

    Passion can’t be taught.

    And why not teach her?

    Character is destiny.

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  88. younger women who DO attend are no less slutty than those who do, and there is some research at Gene Expression and Inductivist to suggest that they might be slightly MORE slutty than their secular peers.

    Not true among educated white Canadian evangelicals (and probably not true among educated white Canadian conservative Catholics).

    Problems with using data from the U.S.:
    1. In the U.S., “everyone” is religious. Ergo even the sluts go to church. Its tough to tell the true believers from the social conformists. Canadian evangelicals are often scornful of U.S. evangelicals for this: “You go down to the U.S. It’s great. Everyone greets you in Jesus name. Then they all go home and fornicate.”
    2. You have to control for intelligence. The religious tend to be less intelligent. The less intelligent tend to have less impulse control. You have to compare the educated religious with the educated irreligious.
    3. You have to control for race. Black women are both more religious and sluttier than white women. They skew the data. If you look at within race trends I bet you will see the opposite trend, just like with crime.

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  89. And why not teach her? Men can and should teach women.

    Primarily because it’s a waste of my time since most women will either presume I’m a pervert, or she’ll simply be disgusted by performing the acts. Hell, just telling women that I like acrylic nails has done nothing but give me weird looks and derisive comments from women. Telling a female that I want the whole porn star package will only bring headaches.

    But I think he is still recovering from a rejection from his Canadian mistress and can’t risk his heart like that again

    I miss her friendship and companionship because she filled an empty hole in my life with her quirks, interests, and Canadianism, but I don’t miss the sex at all since I only orgasmed from oral sex with her, and she stopped getting her nails done and putting on make up for me. Admittedly, I did enjoy making out with her, and that was my downfall since her boyfriend caught us making out in my car in front of their home.

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  90. Eighth, Professional organizations and other non-bar places will be over-run by married people. A man is unlikely to find anyone who is single, let alone single, reasonably attractive and intelligent, and non-slutty.

    Depends which profession. 😉

    Besides women are everywhere. You just have to have the cojones to walk up to them and say, “Hi, my name is X and I wanted to meet you” and then launch into a funny story about your life. (Remember, give value.) The first few hundred times you do this you will creep them the hell out, but once you get confident enough at doing it you’ll be surprised at the good reactions you’ll start getting.

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  91. She has cheated more than three times in her life, or has cheated more than once on the same boyfriend.

    Cheating even once should result in instant disqualification.

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  92. on August 27, 2008 at 4:20 am random passerby

    “Besides women are everywhere.”

    Well yes, I suppose it’s a non-issue if you’ll settle for anyone who’s reasonably attractive and nice.

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  93. “Besides women are everywhere.”

    I was in Manhattan today, and there wasn’t one woman that I was interested in banging.

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  94. on August 27, 2008 at 6:01 am Comment_Not_So_Much

    ****
    The best part of knowing languages is noticing that most things that get considered national peculiarities are not. If you translated the rants on American women you see on this blog into Finnish/Swedish/German/whatever and replaced every mention of Americans with the appropriate nationality, no one would notice and the blog would fit in just fine in the local blogosphere’s men-ranting-about-women section.
    ****
    http://www.divorcemag.com/statistics/statsWorld.shtml

    As a point of fact, Finland has a HIGHER divorce rate than even America! WOO-HOO!

    Perhaps you meant to say “every country in an advanced state of marriage-breakdown” has the same complaints?

    Sweden is also sky-high.

    Germany is “only” 39.4%.

    I would like, truly like, if every bleeping idiot, seeing this new cultural landscape that has been changed beyond all scope and measure in less than fifty years, shut the hell up about how “it was always this way, everywhere”.

    Oh, and not that it matters, but Poland’s divorce rate is 17.2%.

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  95. Oh, these posts, roissy, make the bashing a little easier to take, truly. I can’t disagree with any of it.

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  96. on August 27, 2008 at 6:19 am Comment_Not_So_Much

    For those to lazy to look, Finlands Percentage of New Marriages which End in Divorce, in Selected Countries (2002) is 51.2%, and Poland’s rate is only 17.2%. ONE THIRD!

    And since women are herd creatures, here is the thing. That actually slut girl in Poland? She’s being contained by the other women around her. That Quality girl in Finland? Her Sisters, and probably her mother, are working hard to ruin her.

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  97. Thursday —

    There are great swaths of secular only people in the US. That would include, off the top of my head, everyone in San Francisco, most Whites in LA, most non-Irish/Italian Whites in NYC, half of Dallas, and all of Portland and Seattle.

    Religious = “less intelligent” holds true for say, Catholic immigrants from Mexico vs. secular wealthy Whites in Malibu, but falls apart in discussing middle class White Ethnic Catholics (Irish/Italians) in the Atlantic Seabord vs. say, secular middle class bohos in Seattle.

    However, there has been some research IIRC suggesting (and I have personal observations that tend to support this) that religious (White Evangelical or Catholic) girls are slightly sluttier than secular girls in say Kansas City.

    And of course, regional differences take hold. White secular girls in Kansas City region will likely be less slutty than those in say, West LA or Portland.

    Agreed on the cheating. However for the volunteer organizations, they are dominated by married people, as the “Bowling Alone” guy found out. This often seems to be the case for Professional organizations also. For whatever reason, only married people tend to take the time for the dreary drudge work required to run these things. There certainly will be women there, most will be married. There’s also a penalty for engaging in pickups in a professional organization, which can hurt your career. Best to try that in a Volunteer org, but again most will be married women.

    The Bar scene has it’s advantages: women are there to see and be seen in the mating ritual, they are the same women you’ll find in Church and in the Professional organizations.

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  98. Oh boy, I am shocked by this blog. The girl you decribe as being a none quality girl, I thought that type a girl was about 10% of all the girls in the world.
    I am from Belgium and I don’t recognize your descriptions at all. I meet sensitive good girls all the time, who are looking for a real relationship with a kind hearted boy. They do not spend much time on their looks, but they smile, like to have a good conversation, have humour, are interested, etc. It’s not because those are christian girls, because there are hardly any christians here in Belgium en the girls have liberal points of views here.

    I may sound really naive, but I am glad I do not live in your world.

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  100. Wow, either I’ve been out of the game too long or this article doesn’t make any sense to me.

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  101. on August 27, 2008 at 7:07 am daughterofbob

    Quality girls can get lost in a bad-girl lifestyle, especially if easily swayed by the men who pretend that they like bad girls.

    A lot of women default to that lifestyle because they feel empowered over men in some way. It is an unfortunate way of regaining some balance of power…and to distract themselves in lieu of quality men out there.

    Of which there are very very few.

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  102. on August 27, 2008 at 7:32 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @41 Patrick Bateman

    I spent the summer after undergrad working at a country club and the wives there had nothing to do all day but fuck pool boys.

    My misspent youth rears its ugly head again. My C.C. lifeguard and pool boy days were much like the Rabbit of East Hampton in “the Beach House” by James Patterson.

    If you have mad sex skills, the Wifes will hire you to break in her virginal yet average looking daughters, and three way with them. Unfortunately, the Wifes kink also runs to watching boy on boy action too.

    I advise leaving the sex trade to the workers, and move up into management asap. Learn to check a ho. As Nicole has pointed out.

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  103. on August 27, 2008 at 8:10 am SovereignAmericanMale

    81 dougjnn

    Trying to help DA is an exercise in futility. You have just as much chance of getting Peter to love a Clean Shaven Muff, as getting DA to stop being a crybaby lapsed catholic betaboy.

    Fundamentally there is no difference between him with his porn, and a 36 year old man Playing WOW in his mom’s basement. Fear of living life is potent. But in cyberspace he can find acceptance, that he is too challenged to find in RL.

    He lives for porn, Internet porn never says “no” unless the power is out. Porn don’t make you pay child support, Porn don’t file rape charges etc.

    If anything spells Loser for DA, its this:
    He has just as many fake lovers, as an Alpha, But unlike the alpha, he is Satisfied with an illusion, rather then the real thing. He has sold himself a bunch of self defeatist lies and bullshit to brace up his self induced pathetic worldview.

    Frankly its no different than the Alchy who hides in his bottle, or a junkie out looking for a rock.

    Rather then be a conquerer and a man, he has chosen to fail to rise to the occasion and challenge of life. He should have been been born with a pussy, because he will continue to act like one, rather then grow up and become a fucking Man.

    I question an overbearing mother and a weak or absent father in his background.

    PUA has one redeeming benefit. It causes growth and personal evolution, and increases socialization and hones personal skills and instills power and confidence.

    DA certainly could grow a pair, and practice his PUs but his genes will be snuffed out like dying embers in the cold night of eternity, and the world will be better off for it.

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  104. on August 27, 2008 at 9:43 am random passerby

    “He has just as many fake lovers, as an Alpha, But unlike the alpha, he is Satisfied with an illusion, rather then the real thing. He has sold himself a bunch of self defeatist lies and bullshit to brace up his self induced pathetic worldview.”

    Fake, illusion, lies, bullshit, pathetic… there are words I’d use to describe the sad existence of an “alpha.”

    “Alphas” are fucking ridiculous. They actually believe all their own bullshit and hyperbole and think that they’re “men” because they sleep around. Jesus pissing Christ…

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  105. Hey jaakkeli,

    Could you please post names of some blogs you mentioned?

    Especially if they are in english.

    Thanks.

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  106. 10% of quality girls? — quite clear selection bias.

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  107. 76: There are plenty of girls like that——in Red States.

    There are plenty of girls like that right here in the United States, but most of them aren’t going to rate higher than a 7 on the looks scale.

    You select for superficial qualities, you end up with a superficial woman. You want your ageless, smokin’ hottie? Fine, hold out for that. But don’t pretend you’re not encountering quality women because there aren’t any around. You’re encountering them all the time and don’t even know it.

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  108. on August 27, 2008 at 12:36 pm Usually Lurking

    He cant fuck her in the ass or make her drink his cum or videotape her in bed…

    Well, we have our comment of the month.

    His ex-wife is pee-green with envy. I hate his ex-wife and hope the spite gives her pancreatic cancer.

    Oh, wait, I stand corrected.

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  109. on August 27, 2008 at 12:48 pm Usually Lurking

    Tell that to the legions of elderly people living in nursing homes who are lucky if they get four 30 minute visits from their children a year

    He said that they would give you grandchildren, he didn’t say that they would visit.

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  110. on August 27, 2008 at 1:03 pm random passerby

    Anonymous:
    “But don’t pretend you’re not encountering quality women because there aren’t any around. You’re encountering them all the time and don’t even know it.”

    Uh… everyone has a different idea of what constitutes quality. Virtually all of the women that most men consider quality don’t interest me at all.

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  111. He cant fuck her in the ass

    It shouldn’t matter. As I’ve often stated, my reasoned belief is that men who obsess about nailing women in the Hershey Highway often fantasize about being on the other side of the equation, as it were.

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  112. on August 27, 2008 at 2:06 pm Usually Lurking

    As I’ve often stated, my reasoned belief is that men who obsess about nailing women in the Hershey Highway often fantasize about being on the other side of the equation, as it were.

    I am assuming you feel the same way about blowjobs?

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  113. There are plenty of girls like that right here in the United States, but most of them aren’t going to rate higher than a 7 on the looks scale.

    Get the fantasy that less attractive women are somehow higher quality of your head. They may be more supplicatory at the beginning, because they have to be, but in the end their real character will out. 8+ women are just as good as people as those 7 and below, neither better nor worse.

    Well yes, I suppose it’s a non-issue if you’ll settle for anyone who’s reasonably attractive and nice.

    I’m dating a few 8+ women and I met them at the library, the mall, church etc.

    As I’ve often stated, my reasoned belief is that men who obsess about nailing women in the Hershey Highway often fantasize about being on the other side of the equation, as it were.

    There are almost no true male bisexuals. Buggery is a power thing. Some men like to degrade their women and think this is a good way to do it. Repressed homosexual desire has nothing to do with it.

    Similarly with shaved female genitals. Men who like the shaved look don’t have any pedophilic tendencies, or even an objection to the “GNP” as such; they just want to have a crystal clear view of adult female genitalia.

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  114. on August 27, 2008 at 2:35 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Mrs. Grzlickson has a GNP of luxurious silver hair.

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  115. As I’ve often stated, my reasoned belief is that men who obsess about nailing women in the Hershey Highway often fantasize about being on the other side of the equation, as it were.

    I am assuming you feel the same way about blowjobs?

    No. Blow jobs don’t have the same Ick Factor as backdoor loving, in other words they’re a more natural activity even if not procreative.

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  116. rather then the real thing

    That’s because the real thing pales in comparison to the idealized and hypersexualized version that exists on digital bits. Once you seen porn, how can real life compete?

    I question an overbearing mother and a weak or absent father in his background.

    Overbearing mother, admittedly yes, but even she begs me to go out, stop jerking off and meet women and go get laid. Weak or absent father, definitely not. He may have worked overtime galore to send my brother and I to Catholic school, but he definitely wasn’t wasn’t weak and her certainly wasn’t an absent father.

    PUA has one redeeming benefit.

    PUAs turn kind-hearted men into third rate wannabe jerks with confidence sourced from being mean.

    DA certainly could grow a pair, and practice his PUs

    Sorry, I’m not a nigger and I don’t copy white trash.

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  117. on August 27, 2008 at 3:00 pm Usually Lurking

    Blow jobs don’t have the same Ick Factor as backdoor loving, in other words they’re a more natural activity even if not procreative.

    I believe Darwin spoke about.

    “Dropping a load in a girls mouth is much more natural than shooting one in her ass.” IIRC

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  118. @Doug, post 70

    Doug, what you’re asking for is fairly easy to find in most western countries. You just have to look in the right places, namely communities with polyamorous/polyamory friendly people.

    Some women would be perfectly okay with an arrangement where you could shag other women on occasion, but on the real, many nowadays, for safety and drama prevention, wouldn’t. They would want you to avoid shagging anyone who you wouldn’t bring home to share, or who you didn’t love.

    Women tend to like to discuss these things, so communities are where to find just about anything you’re looking for.

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  119. 113: Get the fantasy that less attractive women are somehow higher quality of your head. They may be more supplicatory at the beginning, because they have to be, but in the end their real character will out. 8+ women are just as good as people as those 7 and below, neither better nor worse.

    It’s not a fantasy. If you’re equating quality with honor and good character development, as Roissy seems to be, then you bet your life that there are a lot of middling-attractive girls who have that in spades because they’ve had to, all their lives. When you can’t skate by on looks alone, you tend to develop more to bring to the table.

    Just because you don’t deign to look at them doesn’t mean they’re not there; the US is simply not the vast wasteland of homely, amoral harpies the commentary here tends to paint it as being. If you want to hold out for a supermodel with a heart of gold, suit yourself and good luck with that, but the assertion that truly awesome quality women are lacking locally is bullshit.

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  120. @Thursday, post 113

    I disagree about the looks thing. Background: I’m an (compulsive) artist, and I’ve dated a couple of female models.

    The reason you don’t meet many girls above 7 on the western media attractiveness scale who are sweet and have depth of personality is because it takes more than a healthy level of effort and focus on one’s appearance to be above a 7.

    Once a woman decides on dreadlocks or another natural texture/color combination, then none but people with naturally straight to moderately wavy hair can reach media-8. They may still be natural 10’s but the more the deviate from the media ideal, the lower their mass appeal/attractiveness rating.

    Men usually don’t know how much a woman begins to deviate from that standard by the age of 19-23 because most women are jostling to conform, and will do whatever it takes. Most of what it takes isn’t exercise and good self care. It’s well into the realm of costuming and body modification.

    From makeup in the armpits to permanent eyelashes, women do a great deal for their beauty that most guys who aren’t artists or in the business, aren’t aware of.

    So media-8’s do ALOT more than I’d consider sane…and they do expect a return on their investment of time, effort, and money. The mentality that goes with focusing too much on statistical media beauty is one of entitlement, even if the woman has low self confidence. She has confidence that having a higher mass appeal is more likely to bring her a provider.

    …and once she has you, she’ll have someone to pay for her makeup, plastic surgeries, lazer treatments, etc.

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  121. 98 Oker

    I may sound really naive, but I am glad I do not live in your world.

    Uhhh, yeah. You’re lucky. This is why I generally prefer European men. They’re more realistic and truth is far, far better than fiction. Americans are so conditioned and hypnotized by the media, they have created an image of perfection based on pure bullshit . Basically roissy has his head up his ass.

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  122. Probably a dissenting opinion, but most guys are in terms of relationships less pulled to beauty than women think, once an absolute floor has been reached.

    True. A man does not require ravashing beauty to fall in love with a woman, and after he falls, he will likely find her beautiful and “special” even if she is not objectively all that. This is what modern women refer to when they say women’s appearances don’t really “matter” if the relationship is good. But instead of cultivating a radiant inner glow, many women now demand to be loved for just being a woman. That fails.

    the US is simply not the vast wasteland of homely, amoral harpies the commentary here tends to paint it as being.

    I agree, but there are lots of disturbing trends cropping up in America over the past decades, trends that are also being exported to the rest of the world. There is the new consumerist culture that is being disseminated to get people to buy more and more in order to improve themselves. Then there is the new female-worship culture that says a woman can do no wrong, and everything is the man’s fault. Finally the culture says the rich and glamorous are our new royalty, and furthermore, their Sex and the City lifestyles are worthy of imitation.

    A lot of people are plain or average looking, and a lot of people are even below average looking. And a lot of people make average or low wages, have average or low status, and average or low IQs. The new cultures do not do the average person much good. I grew up in a more conservative culture, but even that one has dramatically shifted toward one of shallow consumerism.

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  123. […] 27, 2008 by roissy Commenter LauraByNight wrote on yesterday’s post: This seems to suggest that a good strategy for finding quality girls is to avoid looking in bars […]

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  124. on August 27, 2008 at 4:34 pm Marcus Halberstam

    I find it hard to believe that, on average, more attractive women are of the same “quality” as less attractive ones. In many parts of America, attractive women are treated like queens. They have many suitors to choose from, and men are almost always unfailingly nice to them. Being raised in such an environment doesn’t seem like it would create any sort of ethic of mutual respect. As a guy, its hard for me to even comprehend the amount of affection and money that is simply thrown at attractive women, and I’m usually described as a 7, 8 or 9.

    In my experience, attractive women simply have very little incentive to be nice to anyone. Sure they have to put up the appearance of being a nice, sweet little girl, but that matters little. Politicians pretend to be nice guys too.

    On a related note, its sometimes amusing to call very attractive women out on their flakiness and general rudeness, because they aren’t used to it. In my experience, they simply don’t understand that normal friends are expected to do things as simple as return phone calls or be on time to dinner. I suppose its something akin to what happens with royalty. Very attractive women don’t seem to know that people treat others well because they wish to be treated well in return; they just expect to be treated well regardless.

    Perhaps my sampling is skewed. Many of the attractive women I know seem to prefer men with “beta” traits, seemingly because they can be pushed around.

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  125. Actually, the title of this post says it all. I’m guessing Roissy is approx. what, 29? The sort of commitment that you’re asking for in your post, would require a woman. Not a girl. The fact that you’re still looking for a girl, and not a woman who would be able to fulfill those needs, brings up the fact that you’re not fully developed as a man yet. And I’m not saying that to be insulting. You complain constantly about American girls, but if you still haven’t managed to have a relationship that’s lasted longer than 3-4 months, and you’ve meet and dated all of these foreign women (in some of their host countries no less), then why didn’t it work out with them?

    B/c from some of your descriptions and stories, you’ve already met some “qualilty” women. You’ve got your pick of the hot young ones in this town and in other countries. “Girls” with good jobs and stable backgrounds, travel experience, and independent incomes.

    And there are some interesting thoughts, and ideas on this blog, but the blantant almost, hate for women does seep through. And feminism isn’t to blame for that. Some of these posts read as if you are waiting for someone to call you out on your crap, but in this perfect mystical soul-altering way that doesn’t challenge your present reality too much. Although, by what you write at times, it does lead one to wonder about your relationship with your parents was/is like, and the type of relationship that they had with each other.

    I live in DC (the next neighborhood over from yours), so I’m not saying this town isn’t a tough area to find someone. It totally IS. But 10% are worth your time and you’re sleeping with half of NW DC? You seem like you could be a nice guy (I’m not assuming that in real life you’re exactly as you are portrayed on this blog, and that there are other facets to your personality and life), but your numbers, esp. if they are what you’re posting on the internet are scary. A man having an option of sleeping around is always nice. No woman wants to be someone’s desparation point. But if a man has slept with THAT many people, and tossed aside THAT many women, and has no respect for any except that uber-special one that “magically” changes his heart, then a lot of quality girls don’t want to touch that beyond the fling or some hot experiences before they “sit-down” if you will with someone else who’s worth the effort.

    There is a lot in your behavior that you post about, that says (at least to the outside world) that you don’t want and are not ready to commit. My grandmother used to say if you want to see how a man will treat you in 10 years, look at how he treats other women.

    Magic fades. People get old, fired, etc… You say you want a quality girl that would make you want to sit down. I say quality women want someone who isn’t going to get a newer model. Someone who has the ability to commit. Not someone who just wants to/ kind of/ maybe – if the stars align on the 15th of August on a solar eclipse. And your past track record doesn’t necessarily point to that.

    I think you will find someone, if you’re as good looking as you claim, and she’ll probably fulfill your requirements. But you come across as someone who could really break hearts, and maybe that’s why a lot of “quality” girls haven’t come your way yet.

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  126. Whiskey–

    Maybe so, but were you driving a red 911 (which I bought with my own money) at the age of 27? I was. It was as good as being a rock star. Didn’t matter whether I was in fly over country or Palm Springs. For me it meant going back on my vow to not marry another “daddy’s little rich girl” as I lost all faith in women from middle class families. In truth, all I had to do was drive through a parking lot at closing time and I could have the “pick of the litter”, if I wanted a one night stand. One night, just for the hell of it, I picked up two of them. Another time, in Denver, I spent two weeks shacked up with a pair of United stewardesses. My life with women began at age 4. I lost my virginity in 9th grade (and almost did so in 8th grade) and slept with all the girls in my neighborhood/click before my senior year of HS–and never once did I ask them, they just came and took it. The truth is, WHiskey, is that I said “no” 3 to 5 times for every time I said “yes”. I did say yes to my former baby sitters, all of them. It only seemed fair.

    But it wasn’t just the car–here is a couple pics of my Dad in 1945–one his graduation pic form a military HS, the other at a horse show in Chicago. He, his younger brother and his father got there in my grandfather’s private rail road car–fitted out with box stalls for two horses. Any woman will tell you that man, even at 18, is obviously the quintessential alpha male:

    http://mystpaul.net//alphamale/

    “Six foot two, eyes of blue–with dark wavy hair–it doesn’t get any better, my friend. I’m told I look just like my father. But add to that the wealth and being hung like a porn star, and well, the truth is, is, I have never actually picked up a woman–they come for me. My father won that day–as usual, and didn’t doubt it for one minute, even though his main competition was a decade or two older than him–that is alpha male confidence.

    Somebody up above mentioned that men can smell a quality woman–well, the same is true of certain men–or so women tell me. I just have a natural scent that attracts them to me. My wife has long been accustomed to other women telling her how lucky she is–and hitting on my right in front of her. I never ask for this attention, its just there. I give her great credit for not getting jealous–especially when the women are much younger than her. It does keep her on her toes, though. She works hard at taking care of herself for me and my pleasure.

    David Alexander–

    What you crave are known as “high maintenance women”. They exist, are what I delight in and can be very much quality and very good looking, intelligent women. I have raised my daughter to be one and both of my wives were. My daughter is just as beautiful as her mother, has an IQ above 140 and is a two time national honor society inductee and still in HS. The little boys at her private school, and elsewhere, fawn at her feet–and she knows it, takes it with dignity and grace. And, when she is not in her school uniform or dressing down, she wears Dior.

    As far as the sex goes, intelligent women, and men, are better in bed, period. It takes intelligence to be imaginative and creative. My sex life has always mirrored a porn flick–to some degree. Women do like sex like that–with the right man. And they are willing to learn–very much so, but again, with the right man. The problem with teaching them is how they become attached. If you make a woman your sex slave, be prepared for her undying love and commitment–irrationally so. When they give that much of themselves to you, they do it for life, and they do not like it when you say goodbye–therefore, you never really can. To this day, those women with whom I became deeply involved with are still “mine” and, as someone else pointed out above, think of me when sleeping with the betas they married.

    And therein lies the rub. A woman of quality is not going to give themselves like that to just anyone. They will only do so when they consider you “the one”. Even my wife had a thing for my father, in a sweet way. When he passed away last winter, one of her remarks was “he was kind, gentle and intelligent–he could make you smile without effort, what’s not to love?” She in fact, had more love for my father than her own. My father just had a way with women. When he and my mother were first married, other young women would slow down in their convertibles to wave and flirt with him. My mother, who passed away 35 years before my dad, was raised in a catholic orphanage, worked for my grandfather and was drop dead gorgeous. He married her, he wrote in his diary, because she had a great sense of humor due to her intelligence, was beautiful, unlike the rich girls he knew, and was very down to earth.

    When I flew out west to close up his home and pack his things away, there waiting for me were three women. They took me out to brunch and therein introduced themselves as my father’s “harem”. The oldest was nearing 70, the youngest was in her early 50’s. My father was 81. They probably shortened his life by 5 to 10 years–he died from a GI aneurism. But what a way to go. The coroner and the funeral director (a woman) told me he was found in his bed, his pants down and a smile on his face, his eyes were closed. I received dozens of letters and and phone calls from women he had known in his life–all very warm and loving. What can I say? An alpha male never loses it, they always have that draw. They are forever, THE alpha male. I am proud to have been his son.

    The problem with your generation is that you all have been led to believe that we can all be everything or anything we want to be–its just not so. While the Founding Fathers of this country believed in Legal Equality, they never for one minute thought we were all equal in capabilities. People need to accept reality again–they need to see their limitations, while aspiring to the greatness of their betters. That is where happiness truly lies. Knowing who you are and accepting it.

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  127. on August 27, 2008 at 5:31 pm Milton Freedman

    Wait SAM you worked in a place where grown women paid life guards to have incestuous sex with them and their daughters?

    I am also a bit confused by your comment about being good at sex, how would a client know in advance?

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  128. on August 27, 2008 at 5:46 pm Usually Lurking

    In my experience, European men tend to be pretty harsh compared to American men concerning a girl’s weight. Whether or not that is considered better or more cosmopolitan is for you to decide.

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  129. Inherited wealth and status are an easy base upon which to build a life, and meritocracy is easily trumped. Anyone who has attended an Ivy League school notices that effect, in terms of who gets the girls: the cheerleaders with the jocks, the nerds with the nerds, etc.

    Roissy at the least posts pointers about effectively changing one’s behaviors and attitudes for those without inherited wealth and status. So at least his effusive self-love comes with benefits for the reader.

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  130. Poor Whiskey-

    Not one girl in college knows who my sons ancestors are–he is gorgeous, physically fit, intelligent and full of self confidence–he is a champion of men. He is also not chasing the pussy around, he is content and complete within himself–which is the biggest reason why women love us. We don’t need them and they know it. In my family, we make men by not coddling them–thats a Jewish thing which is why jewish women cheat so much–they want real men too. My son is on a full scholarship. His trust fund pays him nothing at this point. He is the real deal. The guy you wish you could be.

    All women have always wanted the same thing: a serious man who can take care of her and him–to feel safe and desired, to be cared for. It is human nature. And thus, while they might screw a little boy for kicks or to scratch an itch, they are not going to take him seriously and give him things they are saving for “the one”. Thats when the real alpha male steps in. Women don’t just “like” him or fuck him, they love him–they are drawn to him. They are drawn to him because they want to be possessed by him–not controlled, but owned body and soul. She wants be fulfilled and filled.

    And the men capable of that, are 1% of the population–in that you were right.

    As far as today’s women goes–you didn’t pay attention, none of this is new. in the 1980’s, I would say that a FAIR assessment was about 50-50, maybe the slut factor was higher, I don’t do sluts. Women have always sought mates which provide the highest likelihood of success for their children–this is basic biology and studies have proven it. Just now, the FedEx girl brought me a set of vinyl Led Zeps–latest release. I answered the door in my bathrobe. Billy, my four year old, at my side. Sara has been here before. Sara is a hotty. Sara is about 25 or 26. Sara flirts with me even though I have grey hair. Sara likes it when I answer the door in my robe–it isn’t the first time. today she winked at me and made a cute little reference to the robe. Sara would like to be invited in to listen to Led Zep–she told me she likes them. Sara always waits for me to open my package–guess which package she really wants to see? Sara was flattered I noticed her little tattoo on the inner ring of her ear–no one ever notices that tattoo Sara told me.

    Sara gave me “that smile”–the one you wish you could get. If I were like you, I would have sent Billy back to the second floor TV room and had Sara come in for a bit. I also would have seduced her down the road. Sara wants me to–I can feel it. But I am an alpha male and do not need to seduce her to make myself feel better. I already have a hotty–a red head, she exercises to maintain a bikini body for me. It would be decidedly wrong of me to seduce Sara. Besides, I have had a very generous life in this way–there is no need to teach yet another the ways of sex and run the risk of breaking a heart and causing damage elsewhere that need not be.

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  131. 126 anon 49

    Somebody up above mentioned that men can smell a quality woman–well, the same is true of certain men–or so women tell me. I just have a natural scent that attracts them to me..

    Would that be the smell of bullshit? Sorry, I’m allergic.

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  132. Nah, the “smell” thing is true. In the same sense that you meet some people, and know that you’ll be friends with them b/c they’re compatible, same goes with identifying a suitable mate.

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  133. 130 anon49

    Sara would like to be invited in to listen to Led Zep–she told me she likes them

    That is so fucking not true. Led Zeppelin is so passe’. Jesus, get with the 21st century already. I’m probably older than you, but have somehow managed to stop glorifying the pathetic 60’s. You’re priceless 49. Would you please go away? I have too much to do, but you are just too much!!! God help me.

    Besides, I have had a very generous life in this way–there is no need to teach yet another the ways of sex and run the risk of breaking a heart and causing damage elsewhere that need not be.

    I give!

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  134. 126 anon49

    Oh shit, I’ve got to stop this……

    Maybe so, but were you driving a red 911 (which I bought with my own money) at the age of 27?

    The difference between a porcupine and a porsche? Porcupine’s have their pricks on the outside.

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  135. Eurosabra–

    You need to read what I wrote again. My wealth and success was my own doing. Furthermore, impressing a rich girl with wealth is just silly–they already have everything that you could ever buy them.

    The lesson is this. Women want the best man they can get–just like men want the best woman. Their ways of doing so depend entirely on socio-economic class and upbringing. This is not new, it is the same old same old going back to antiquity–see “Samson and Delilah” in the Bible.

    Being a real alpha male is not something you can buy–you either are or you are not. It just so happens that in even a quasi capitalist society, alpha males will attain higher socio-economic status and thereby get the best women–not always, but usually. As a given rule of thumb, good looking women do marry up, the rich truly are beautiful–they can afford it. The road map for this success is usually set well before age 30–you either are, or you aren’t. Talent is easily recognized by those who are older and wiser–they are the ones who decide your fate.

    Again, whats wrong is the number f people who cannot accept reality. Both women and men. Hence the high divorce rate. Instead of accepting that they have done the best they can, they try to get better. and find out they cannot even get (usually) what they had in the first place. Women are especially subject to this, but so are men who suffer from Peter Pan syndrome–they are forever looking for the perfect mommy instead of a woman.

    A guy who thinks he is a 7 or 8 is most likely just a 5. One thing I have come to notice about the middle class, they just aren’t that attractive, taken as a whole. Its the genes, you know. Go read Steve Sailor’s articles on intelligence and good looks, contrary to popular belief, nerds are not the norm when it comes to higher intelligence. Thats just more masses style mythology that makes them feel better. Good looking people tend to higher intelligence–the reason for that is primal. THe characteristics we associate with good looks also happen to be characteristics that are associated with good genetic health. Facial symmetry and body symmetry– a woman without womanly hips is going to have small babies which will tend toward ill health. larger tits are capable of better breast feeding–the list goes on. Men with higher levels of testosterone will have healthier sperm, are capable (primal) of defending the hearth and home, etc. The smarter you are, the better a warrior you are–both now and in ancient history. You move faster because you think faster–my son when done with his collegiate career, will have less time invested in it then the kids he beat in HS already had at that time. Ten years for him, 16 years or more for them. It is intelligence, coup-led with natural athletic ability, which made him a champion. And that intelligence, is what gave him the confidence to do it when everyone said he couldn’t

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  136. 135: …my son when done with his collegiate career, will have less time invested in it then the kids he beat in HS already had at that time…

    Will he be as big a gasbag as you are?

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  137. Sara U–

    Duh–obviously she was carrying on a conversation with me for her other purposes. Women like you crack me up. You are what Roissey loves to hate. Women who will not accept their lot in life and always want what they cannot have.

    There is absolutely no doubt that expensive cars and homes are associated with power and prestige. The younger you are when you arrive at that point, the more power and prestige you have. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac and women who cannot obtain it always resent it. Its biological.

    As far Zep being passe, they sell more albums to twenty somethings and teenagers as they do to people my age. That just goes to show how daft you are, she wasn’t interested in the vinyl, per se, she was flirting with me.

    What bothers you most, most likely, is that I know what I am, lower level women hate that and call it “arrogance” when it fact it is just recognizing reality. They hope the good looking guy is ignorant of it somehow (just like men who want women lie that) so they can sneak up on them and get it. Reality is, is that if you find someone like that, there is usually something wrong with them. There is nothing wrong with knowing who and what you are and taking what are just desserts.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is just jealous.

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  138. Grace–

    You are absolutely right. The most requested gift from female friends of my father was an old shirt of his or sweater. The same held true for my wife and daughter–they just wanted some piece of clothing that had belonged to him.

    My guess is that this is also primal–pheromones.

    http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19960301-000030.html

    Sara U is just jealous. Deep inside she knows all of this–we all do. It is something we are born with.

    In my own life, women began telling me this when I was in college. I never had to wear deodorant–not till I was well into my 30’s.

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  139. The group here is being a little hard on women who are very sexually active. Female sex drive varies from person to person than male does, and some women have strong sexual needs. Many of them are very nice people.

    If a woman of 28 has had sex with 5-10 guys, it doesn’t automatically mean she should be rejected…shouldn’t guys be able to empathize with this?

    And if you look for a 28-year-old pseudo-virgin, don’t be surprised if after a few years of marriage it turns out she doesn’t like sex very much.

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  140. SAra U-

    did you know that beautiful and intelligent children are treated differently from day one of their lives than ordinary children? All of society does it on a subconscious level–right down to giving their own less attractive children less attention than someone else’s attractive child. Studies have shown this.

    I watched it with my own children.

    The message is this for both alpha males and alpha women. You either are or you are not–for men, this obvious by age 25. For women, at birth, seemingly. People need to once again accept their status in life and not pretend to greater things than they are capable of. That isn’t to say that people cannot rise above what they were born with–it just means that your ability to do so is pretty much set in stone by age 8 or 9 and is clearly evident by age 25. Fighting that is what leads to depression and unhappiness.

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  141. 136–

    more jealousy. I can do this because it is the internet. While never being a humble person (what for? to make the ordinary feel better?) I am very polite in real life and tend to just smile at people who make such assertions as yourself.

    After all, reality is what it is, there is no changing it.

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  142. on August 27, 2008 at 7:21 pm Patrick Bateman

    @139 anon11

    Sluttiness is a good proxy for quality in women. The inverse correlation isn’t perfect but it sure as hell is strong. 5-10 guys for a 28 year old may not be bad if all but 1 or 2 were serious boyfriends.

    @anon49
    In my own life, women began telling me this when I was in college. I never had to wear deodorant–not till I was well into my 30’s.

    You don’t mind your own smell? I sweat a lot and it stinks, but chicks seem to like smelling me.

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  143. Society and the Alpha class:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3917414/

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  144. This one is really good:
    http://www.drmillslmu.com/Sexdiffs/SPR00/panel3.htm

    It seems to me to be true, that those who aspire to such people are very resentful toward them. This was true in HS, and I have seen in gatherings of middle class people–how they are more willing to gossip about highly attractive women, for instance, or how low level men seem to think that all attractive women are sluts.

    it seems that it the politics of the last 50 years have done more than just create economic class envy/hatred–anyone who excels at anything is disliked for it.

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  145. Patrick Bateman–

    Well yes, but they told me they liked me natural and since I never stained my clothing, I just went with it.

    So you also understand what I mean. Sara seems to have a problem with the fact that younger women have always been attracted to older men who age well.

    I admit it–my gifts came from my parents. You can see my uncle in that photo–he wasn’t so lucky. To this day, locally, the two sides of the family are differentiated by the looks factor–we got it, they didn’t, hence, we are “the good looking so and so’s” and they aren’t. We also do a lot better in school.

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  146. anaon111–

    the fact is, is that all good looking people get hit on more than ordinary people. Women are no exception. A highly attractive woman gets hit on constantly by everyone who thinks they might get lucky.

    Can you blame her, really, if she says “yes” once in a while? I mean, they get on every day by most of the men they run into. If they are single, and they say yes for every 100 hits, they are going to have had more lovers than the average woman who may bet hit on 100 times in her entire life. And I will bet that attractive women get hit on at least 100 times a year–probably more like 500 times in their prime.

    So, put into percentages, 10 isn’t a big deal. Further, consider this, its her behavior over time that is important. If she continues to act like a dolt after college, she is a dolt. If she grow out of it and gains from the experience, then she is a woman and potentially one with class.

    In my view, bars are for the college crowd and younger, the rest of us grow up and seek more meaning in life. That requires something more than the skank behavior that bars are known for. Look for women in other places–men too. There you will see them for what they really are–as opposed to what the lie about in the bar.

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  147. dougjan saidThere is no one on this blog more sexless than you. You are probably the most pathetic limp dick male I’ve ever encountered,/i>

    ^^^ouch

    how many sister do you have?

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  148. Why do many Americans speak of Africa and Europe as if the two were countries instead of continents?

    Why do many Americans call all South Americans Mexicans?

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  149. on August 27, 2008 at 8:40 pm Usually Lurking

    Why do many Americans speak of Africa and Europe as if the two were countries instead of continents?

    Chic, this is not uniquely American. The different nations of Western Europe are certainly unique, but, their success and failures are quite similar in nature.

    Same goes for Sub-Saharan Africa.

    I can’t say if anyone refers to Brazilians as Mexicans.

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  150. I suspect Sara U makes lots of bad choices in life:

    “Recording artists such as Madonna and U2 are appealing to a younger generation of vinyl lovers by releasing recordings on vinyl as well as on CD and MP3. Other artists including Led Zeppelin, Wilco and Amy Winehouse are releasing remastered vinyl albums.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/groovin-on-vinyl/

    “Tours are now seen as major earning opportunities in their own right and used to spur on the sales of albums – as evidenced by the recent London show by Led Zeppelin – which helped the band’s album sales rise with a 74 % year-on-year increase”

    prosoundnewseurope.com/pdf/psne_download/ 2008/02/PSNE_Feb08_67_Data.pdf

    Maybe Sara the FedEx girl is just a whole lot hipper than you are, Sara U.

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  151. This is kind of funny, but I have found it to be veyr good indicator of whether or not a woman is “well bred”–which is the proper term for “quality” as people are not objects but are humans.

    Watch and see how women pick things up off the floor. Those that bend over at the waste–exposing themselves for the whole world to see, and see them “offering themselves” are decidedly low brow. Those that bend at the knees while keeping their legs together are much more likely to be well bred and those who wait for a man to pick it up–if one is available, are the ones who come from good families where conventional etiquette is still practiced–and they will make wonderful wives.

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  152. Anon 49 had 75-100 women. That is way to many partners for my tastes.

    Thursday-said:. You have to control for race. Black women are both more religious and sluttier than white women. They skew the data. If you look at within race trends I bet you will see the opposite trend, just like with crime

    you are a damn lie. why do you think so many blk men like ww??? they believe that are lose. have you taken the time to read some of the thing they say about ww???

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  153. There are lose women to be found in any group. I can’t believe whiskey is posting 200 year old sterotypes.

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  154. 137 anon49

    Women like you crack me up.

    My work here is finished then. I was just returning the favor.

    As far Zep being passe, they sell more albums to twenty somethings and teenagers as they do to people my age.

    I can forgive young people liking Zep, but older people should know better.

    What bothers you most, most likely, is that I know what I am, lower level women hate that and call it “arrogance” when it fact it is just recognizing reality

    What bothers me most, if I have a lot of others things to do besides this.

    138 anon49

    Sara U is just jealous. Deep inside she knows all of this–we all do. It is something we are born with.

    I’m fighting it really hard right now. Thanks for understanding.

    140 anon49

    People need to once again accept their status in life and not pretend to greater things than they are capable of.

    You’re serious?

    144 anon49

    Sara seems to have a problem with the fact that younger women have always been attracted to older men who age well.

    I do? Oh, shit.

    Maybe Sara the FedEx girl is just a whole lot hipper than you are, Sara U.

    That’s pretty hard to imagine, actually, but I’m sure you can’t be wrong. Methinks you take yourself way, way, too seriously and it seriously cracks me up. So enjoy; I am. Thanks for entertaining me today.

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  155. on August 27, 2008 at 9:18 pm Sara loves the new man, the illusive alpha betath

    Yep. The new Alpha Beta is the gold standard. Not nearly extinct, but newly created. The past has no bearing any longer, the future is uncertain. The alpha is going bye-bye and thank God. Balance is next to Godliness.

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  156. on August 27, 2008 at 9:18 pm Sara loves the new man, the illusive alpha betath

    I hate getting extra letter at the end of my longer names.

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  157. sara u said:Americans are so conditioned and hypnotized by the media, they have created an image of perfection based on pure bullshit

    I agree Sara 100%

    grace said:And there are some interesting thoughts, and ideas on this blog, but the blantant almost, hate for women does seep through

    Glad to know I am not the only one who picked up on this.

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  158. Glad to know I am not the only one who picked up on this.

    The hate is easy to pick up. More instructive is finding out what is behind it.

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  159. What I think is behind it is actually… putting the perfect woman (who is apparently in Poland, and therefore far away) on a pedastol, but weighing most of the other local prospects as “sorta slutty girls”, no matter the education.

    You could say, by having this idealized woman who would inspire a man to change his ways, women are placed on a much higher pedastol and level of attainability than recognizing that women are people too, with all of the same inherent flaws that men have too.

    That and what seems to be a generational confusion on gender roles, where most people (male and female) lost track of what partnership in gender dynamics can be.

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  160. 159 Grace

    women are people too, with all of the same inherent flaws that men have too.

    Nice of you to notice. It takes a mature man to love a real woman. Boys like roissy are looking for the perfect girl. Note the use of the word girl, and not woman. A real woman would avoid his type like the plague. Who needs the drama? The “perfect” woman eventually falls off the pedestal or it gets kicked out from under her, or they just put her there to look up her skirt.

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  161. Anon49 —

    I think you make your point for me. There is enough GSS data to suggest that early success with women correlates highly with status among young men, which unless your mother is a high-paid celebrity, relies upon a father and a father’s good income. That’s one of the factors that re-inforced monogamy or at least the nuclear family.

    If a father took off, his daughter would not be less beautiful, but his son poorer, meaning he would have less mating success so Natural Selection implies … fathers sticking around.

    It doesn’t matter if your son’s “ancestors” are unknown, his status certainly is. I do not think it socially healthy or stable for a small percentage of men to have a “soft” polygamy of most of the women — it makes a people weak, divided against themselves, fragile, prone to rebellion inside themselves and allying with enemies outside.

    Sailer frankly misses a whole lot of European history, which is a fairly violent continent circa oh, say AD 375-1950 (end of Greek Civil War) with peoples who organize more, more effective, and better armed fighters winning and those who embraced “warrior” mentality losing. Heck the Spartans disdained individual bravery and awarded prizes after battles to those who held in place in the line. The Romans were very “beta” and not warriors, and ruled for 500 years until their demographics catastrophically declined in aristocratic debauchery.

    In fact, tool-making trumps, with regularity, physique. A spear in the back or a bullet in the chest. That’s one of the huge differences between humans and apes. Societies that “win” mobilize their tool makers to oh, I dunno, make nukes or radar FIRST and apply them decisively. To foes betting on “fighting spirit” and a warrior mentality.

    People being told “their status in life” end up … oh I dunno, sitting out in the bush somewhere plotting rebellion. See Central/South America. Not the sign of a healthy society, or one that WINS against others.

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  162. 141: more jealousy. I can do this because it is the internet. While never being a humble person (what for? to make the ordinary feel better?) I am very polite in real life and tend to just smile at people who make such assertions as yourself.

    It wasn’t an assertion, it was a question. Speaking as a female, if your son is even half the gasbag that you are, he’s to be avoided at all costs, no matter how much of a build-up you give him.

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  163. Chic Noir:
    Apologies, I should have used more sensitive language.

    However, the data backs me up:
    http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2006/11/which-americans-have-most-sex-partners.html
    Black women average more partners than white women.

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  164. The hate is easy to pick up. More instructive is finding out what is behind it.

    I think male hatred for women is driven by 1) male need for women, which at some deep level is probably greater than women’s need for men, and 2) women’s power to judge and reject men.

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  165. Chic:
    Apologies for the insensitive way I put it, but black women do average more partners than white women.

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  166. […] giving it up once again to Roissy in DC for hitting the nail on the head with his post, Quality Girl.  Of course, this is a two-way street and men should realize that when you do find a girl who fits […]

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  167. on August 28, 2008 at 2:10 am SovereignAmericanMale

    Normally, I don’t redirect dialog to a response (yours), aimed at a comment (mine) that was give to someone (dougjnn) other then the respondent (you).

    But…

    DA Whoa!

    “Your mother asked you to stop Jerking off.”

    Think about what you just said, and think about how far out of social norms you & your Mom are.

    There is something clearly missing in your family.
    Its not surprising you developed into a pussy-wuppable momma’s boy with a porn fixation.

    “Boundaries”

    P.S. In the interest of Perishing Pretty Lies, and one last hurrah to help DA:

    Its interesting to notice how quickly you play the race card, when “cut to the quick” comments are made about you, in your presence.

    Your race centric world view really stinks. You equated growing up and becoming a man (growing a pair) as being a nigger, and copying white trash.

    Seriously Pathetic, and at least the gangsta nigga’s are getting trim, which is more then I can say about you. You broke dick cripple.

    And its all Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. Stop hating the fact your black, and not white. Love who you are.

    I feel like I am wasting my time, trying to reason with you.

    You know what?

    Fuck this, stay beat down, in the fucking ditch you coward. You rot in your hell hole, and don’t come out and compete for love and women, they belong to the alphas:

    “massah’s hos too good fo yah”.

    You certainly can Go Die Already and let your weak ass genes perish with you.

    You are wrong about PUA.

    PUA is in essence about 2 things. (one naturally leads into the other)

    1. Self Evolution And Refinement
    2. Marketing The New You, and closing the deal.

    The Application is enormous. Really DA, since all your whiney voice offers is a played out, and not so accurate (overall):

    “marriage is bad, relationships are bad but porn is good unless your an alpha”

    Howz about shutting the fuck up for 20 seconds before you hit the submit comment button, Delete your autorepeating spam, and Think outside of your cage.

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  168. on August 28, 2008 at 2:43 am SovereignAmericanMale

    @127 Milton Freedman

    Q: I am also a bit confused by your comment about being good at sex, how would a client know in advance?

    A: A lover’s skill = a lover’s renown; word of mouth is the most effective form of advertising. These days its all about the IM’ days gone by it was cell calls, email. But generally nailing one member of the JCs or Rotarians would make a name that would whispered, all about a community.

    Q:Wait SAM you worked in a place where grown women paid life guards to have incestuous sex with them and their daughters?

    A: Poolboy or Lifeguard at the CC becomes a Hired Hand to tend a home owner’s backyard pool.

    Or gardener/landscaper gets recruited to “bed flowers” at a CC member’s home.

    Those with a Massage Therapist Certification may wind up providing “happy endings”, under the guise of helping recover from a faux tennis/golf injury or the ubiquitous ‘stress relief’. But they are done 99% off the CC’s property, unless the CC Management is crooked and is pimping the Young boys/men and girls/gals. (rare, but happens)

    Milton, You really need to read James Patterson’s “The Beach House”. Swing by your local public lib or nail a copy on amazon.c o m.

    The East Hamptons are not the only place where wealth corrupts morals. IRL Round Rock/Plugerville is home to many Dell-ionaires, who engage in the above. Or look at Deer Park (oil money) just outside of Houston.

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  169. Anon 49, while I do think you are a gasbag, or maybe even just a keyboard jockey posting from your mothers basement, I also have come to many of the same conclusions that you have over the past year or so. I’m now in my 30’s and realize that I never had “it,” and never will.

    But when I try to “accept my fate,” I just realize my life is over and will never be what I want it to be.

    How would you cope if you’d been dealt a much worse hand (and yet a good enough hand to have rubbed shoulders with the rich and beautiful at times)?

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  170. on August 28, 2008 at 3:16 am random passerby

    Anon49 is a good example of how infinitely delusional self-styled “alphas” are. It’s absolutely incredible.

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  171. 170 K

    To gasbag: How would you cope if you’d been dealt a much worse hand (and yet a good enough hand to have rubbed shoulders with the rich and beautiful at times)?

    Well no wonder you’re having trouble when you go to gasbags for advice. THINK about what you are doing! You’re asking a very average man who thinks he’s God’s gift for advice on how to be like him? Personally, I’d rather visit you in your mother’s basement.

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  172. 170 K:

    But when I try to “accept my fate,” I just realize my life is over and will never be what I want it to be.

    How would you cope if you’d been dealt a much worse hand (and yet a good enough hand to have rubbed shoulders with the rich and beautiful at times)?

    My answer: eat a gun, cull the gene pool, and allow the elite 10% to continue on in their superior ways unfettered by your genetic dross.

    Or…..

    Learn to get…creative… in how you make use of the hand you’ve been dealt.

    That which doesn’t kill you simply makes you…..stranger!

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  173. Sara, gasbag or not, this dude sounds like he’s at least within visual range of objective reality, unlike the “Oprah!”-inspired BS in which our culture is marinated.

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  174. And Tupac, I’m not all that creative. And the struggle to remain (upper?) middle-class consumes the majority of my energy, so I’m not going to preform any artistic feats. I’m not naturally stylish, either.

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  175. I’m not naturally stylish, either.

    Nor imaginative, apparently.

    More’s the pity.

    One day….perhaps….

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  176. Think about what you just said, and think about how far out of social norms you & your Mom are.

    My mom grew up in the Caribbean where stuff like that was deemed to be sinful and evil. Then it’s exacerbated by the fact that she heard from some Sue Johanson’s sex advice show where one she told one of the guests that chronic masturbation shrinks the penis. Plus, I suspect she fears that it’s preventing me from going out to meet women.

    As I’ve said, she’s sick and tired of me sitting around at home doing nothing and sitting in front of a computer until 4AM, and she’s become tired of pleading with me to meet new people at school…

    Your race centric world view really stinks. You equated growing up and becoming a man (growing a pair) as being a nigger, and copying white trash.

    Given that I saw whole generation of boys try and act like men by replicating the most ghetto behaviour possible, I decided to take an alternate route to preserve my dignity and freedom. The moost boorish displays of masculinity aren’t found in successful middle class males, but in the poor lower classes, and their behaviour simply lands them in coffins or prisons at worst, or the disdain of the middle class at best.

    Seriously Pathetic, and at least the gangsta nigga’s are getting trim, which is more then I can say about you. You broke dick cripple.

    I could care less about what they’re getting when I have no desire to replicate their lifestyle. Nor do I desire to replicate awful stereotypes about black people lest I want to become the target of more dirty looks from my neighbours and other members of the community. As far as I’m concerned, that losers have made my life miserable with their horid choice to become society’s rejects. I don’t hate being black, I hate the other black people who make *us* look awful in front of white people and only fuel the “research” of the race realists/racists. They make being black miserable because you end up spending most of your life in frustration trying to prove, “I’m not one of them”, mostly in vain in most cases.

    You certainly can Go Die Already and let your weak ass genes perish with you.

    I don’t play the suicide game anymore, but thanks for trying.

    PUA is in essence about 2 things.

    PUA is simply the tools used by a certain class of men to replicate the alpha experience for a short-term relationship. I’ll refrain from questioning whether it works or not, but as I’ve said, it’s simply not a tool that is compatible with all men. If one has a high sensitivity to guilt or severe emotional and social impediments (e.g Aspergers, nerds with unusual and narrow interests), then game simply isn’t going to work.

    Howz about shutting the fuck up for 20 seconds before you hit the submit comment button, Delete your autorepeating spam, and Think outside of your cage.

    I am thinking outside the cage, fucktard. The rest of you are trapped in your prisons trying to rationalize your choices.

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  177. @David, I really think you should read more Nietzsche. You should also read Ralph Ellison’s _Invisible_Man_

    I deal with worse race problems daily than you likely deal with in a decade, and I’m not hung up on it.

    How other people who look like you behave has no more to do with you than you allow it. When you’re able to assert yourself as an individual, who is part of a real culture, but now bound by the stereotypes, it even makes it easier to filter people.

    You’ll see that the real thing to adjust for is invisibility. People who don’t and won’t see you, don’t deserve to. You should basically deal with them like socially retarded people to work around and when you can, and crush with impunity when you can’t.

    As it is, you’re sitting in your room full of lightbulbs…and though I respect it as your choice, I do find it sad…a waste.

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  178. That should be, “not bound by stereotypes”.

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  179. Hey you know what belongs on the top of these mens’ “lists of qualities in a quality girl” that I never see anyone saying is:

    “Is on my side even when I’m clearly making an ass of myself.”,

    because when it comes down to it that’s what all good women have to do when they commit to a good man.

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  180. @ Anon49

    There is truly nothing like getting “wisdom” about life from someone that has enjoyed privileges that the vast majority of us seldom benefit from.

    As one of the under-privileged lower life-forms that you obviously disdain, I would like to take this opportunity to tell you to go fuck yourself. Take your affluent heritage and shove it straight up your tight little alpha ass.

    Your son probably sucks cock.

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  181. @ Anon49

    My wealth and success was my own doing.

    And if you truly believe this, you are as delusional as they come. If what you say is true, you owe damn near everything that is your “own doing” to your father and his money.

    *golf clap*

    Congrats, you’re a douche. Your son is most likely a bigger douche.

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  182. @Anon 49

    On what Jewish women want…Israel is the response to Europe’s decision to make us seek out a place in which to be “real men.”

    You have NO idea how much this alpha $#^! gets pondered there…and it’s STILL a corrupt “fourteen families” $#^!hole like any other banana republic.

    As I said, at least Roissy’s self-love includes developmental clues.

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  183. Thursday- Did it ever occur to you that the WW who answered the survey choose to subtract from their numbers??? Who followed these women around 24/7 to insure accurate numbers??? If we were this bad we should of died off a long time ago.

    Many of those surveys are simply BS. There are a number of people like yourself in the scientific community who look down on BP like yourself and they will write or rewrite the results any way to prove their hatred.

    If you think BW are so loose go to the bar and try to pick up 5 in a given night and see how far you get. Take VK with you and see how fast it is for him to pick up 5 WW.

    As a matter of fact, ask VK which group of women are freaker, Nigerian&blk women or women who look like you. Don’t be shocked by the results.

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  184. 1. Thursday- Did it ever occur to you that the WW who answered the survey choose to subtract from their numbers??? Who followed these women around 24/7 to insure accurate numbers??? If we were this bad we should of died off a long time ago.
    Many of those surveys are simply BS. There are a number of people like you in the scientific community, who look down on BP. They will write or rewrite the results any way to prove their hatred.
    If you think BW are so loose go to the bar and try to pick up 5 in a given night and see how far you get. Take VK with you and see how fast it is for him to pick up 5 WW. VK will dust you.
    As a matter of fact, ask VK which group of women are freakier, Nigerian&blk women or women who look like you. Don’t be shocked by the results.

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  185. Blacks have been characterized as the most sexual race, but according to GSS data, this is more true of black men. Mexican American women report more partners than do their black counterparts. Other surveys portray black women as being somewhat conservative about sex. And while other studies also suggest that blacks have more partners, they often do not find that blacks have sex more often, or that they engage in more novel kinds of sex (e.g., anal)

    and this was taken from a little more than 100 blk people to explain the behavior of 40 million blk-american and 1million blk Africans& WestIndians. Give me a break.

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  186. SAM to DA: And its all Bullshit. Stop lying to yourself. Stop hating the fact your black, and not white. Love who you are

    I agree but he won’t. Or if he does, he will then swing the other way and hate white peo.ple.

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  187. DA said:As far as I’m concerned, that losers have made my life miserable with their horid choice to become society’s rejects. I don’t hate being black, I hate the other black people who make *us* look awful in front of white people and only fuel the “research” of the race realists/racists

    apartheid eugenics

    You don’t have to prove anything to anyone. Just be the best DA that you can be. Stay away from w people who like to say “you are different” or “you don’t act like a black person”. I am happy to read that you are aware of the “research” of realists/racists. It’s also the type of “research” that is used to justify discrimination and eugenics (tp).

    1. blks in America
    2. Aboriginals in Australia
    3. Apartheid in South Africa
    4. Untouchables in India
    5. Jews in Europe
    6. Irish in the United Kingdom
    7. Basque in Spain
    8. Non Han Chinese in China

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  188. My, my, what’s with the race talk? I’ll throw in my 2 cents worth. Sidney Poitier is a great example of a black man who never expected to be treated as inferior and therefore wasn’t. To my knowledge he lived like any man and good for him. Those who expect to be treated as inferior will be, regardless of the prejudices that exist. No doubt it’s a challenge to be a member of a group historically derided for one reason or another, but as the old narrow minded inferiors die out new fresh open minded one’s take their place. Evolution rules. Long live death!

    BTW Chic, I am quite black…..on the inside…and damn proud of it. I got rhythm in my behind. Tell me about your musical taste, pretty please. Do you like to dance?

    I was thinking today of all the people in roissy’s world that I’d have sex with it would have to be Chic or Peter who would no doubt appreciate my mousey brown pelt. BTW I am not lesbian, though I have dabbled. I just think Chic has class and would make a nice sleepover friend. ^_^

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  189. Sara I 189:

    I was thinking today of all the people in roissy’s world that I’d have sex with…

    I’d f*ck Bateman.
    I’d fall in love with Chic.
    I’d have an affair with Hope.
    But I’d marry you.

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  190. 190 PatrickH

    How sweet! Ummmmm….is that a good thing..I mean being in love with Chic and married to me? 😉 See how women are? You give them a great compliment and they’re still not satisfied. You marry them and still not satisfied. You fuck them three times a day and it only makes them want more? What’s a guy to do?

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  191. P.S. to 191…We could always invite her over for a sleep over. I’m really not the jealous type. My ex wishes.

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  192. PatrickH- are you sure about that?

    Sara- I am not a good dancer. I listen to M.I.A, N.E.R.D,Santigold and Les Nubians.

    Sara, Sidney Poitier has had a few problems with discrimanation.

    I was thinking today of all the people in roissy’s world that I’d have sex with it would have to be Chic or Peter who would no doubt appreciate my mousey brown pelt

    you freak 🙂

    I thought you are Asian Sara.

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  193. I can’t help noticing Bateman is silent about the compliment I’ve done him. But my holy God did you see his body in American Psycho in the tanning booth scene? I’d fuck the owner of that body even if it was a man!

    As for loving you, Chic. Yes. I am sure. So there.

    Sara, you wound me! I would give all of them up, even Bateman, once we were joined in conjugal bliss. Unless you were interested in inviting Chic over for some, ah, mah-jongg or Scrabble or maybe some naked Twister. Peter could watch, of course, and envy me. Via webcam only though.

    (I wonder if Peter knows I don’t shave down there myself. Maybe he’d envy you, Sara, if he did.)

    Okay, that’s too much even for me. I’m going to have a vegan peppermint cupcake and a glass of goat’s milk, and then I’m going to bed.

    God, you people here! You’re so weird!

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  194. 194 PatrickH

    Weird rules. Normal people scare the hell out of me. My apologies for wounding you. If you give up Bateman, I’ll give up Chic. She thinks I’m an Asian freak. LOL. No, Chic, I am worse; German. You know how passionate and unruly they can be.

    193 Chic

    I like your taste in music. Very danceable. Are you sure you’re not a good dancer? By your own standards, or someone else’s? You don’t enjoy dancing? Hard to imagine not dancing to M.I.A. or Santogold.

    Roissy, you better take care with the T usage. You might end up with a woman like me. Your worst nightmare come true.

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  195. 178 Nicole

    @David, I really think you should read more Nietzsche.

    Did someone say Nietzche? I second that, for everyone including myself. Unfortunately Hitler completely misunderstood and exploited the whole uber-mensch thing.

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  196. @Sara, and sadly, Israelis seem to be picking up that misunderstanding baton.

    The theories about malignant narcissism say that it can be at least partially contagious. Looking around here, I can see that being played out on a national scale. It’s like watching a massive train wreck.

    So part of the reason I’m standing down as far as dating, or at least restricting myself to non Israelis (of any ethnicity), is that I got tired of being caught between the segregated cars.

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  197. on August 29, 2008 at 2:35 pm Patrick Bateman

    @PatrickH

    I didn’t know you were bisexual. I’m flattered you would fuck me based only on my comments on this site. I haven’t reached the level of physique development that Bale had in American Psycho but I’m working on it and I expect to be there around the middle of 2009 by the latest. I do however tan regularly and “in the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I put on an ice pack…” I am like Bateman in many ways, but perhaps Dexter is the fictional serial killer I identify with most.

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  198. You’re not really Patrick Bateman?

    Oh wow. I, I, don’t know what to say. I, uh, I’ve got to go. Now. I need to, uh, trim my toenails. See you! Bye!

    [Over the shoulder as I flee] You’re not him?

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  199. Anon49,

    in case you were not being sarcasting in flaunting your good fortunes (and I cannot help thinking you were): why have I seen so many of you going over the top listing your great qualities on such an anonymous forum as this, as if trying to convince others that you are “high quality” people. It would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.

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  200. “And Tupac, I’m not all that creative. And the struggle to remain (upper?) middle-class consumes the majority of my energy, so I’m not going to preform any artistic feats. I’m not naturally stylish, either.”

    A desperate social competitive attitude such yours is fucking ridiculous. Get a life, do you own thing.

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  201. 189 Bateman

    I am like Bateman in many ways, but perhaps Dexter is the fictional serial killer I identify with most.

    Serial killer wannabe? The earmark of a highly toxic brain. Also, just for your information; my sexiness/attractability quotient has gone up exponentially since the eight month detox extravaganza. You can’t imagine. At my age it’s almost shameful. That’s because there are so many toxic bodies out there, if you’re older, still sexy, and (don’t laugh) somewhat mature, men of all ages will flock to you.

    Then again, maybe you don’t want that.

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  202. @Nicole 197

    Some experts also believe it’s the national fixation on victimhood and mourning that triggers the “get everything you can” approach to life.

    Sorry to hear it’s not working out for you. Also, check out the previous link on Israelis and “getting serious” if you haven’t.

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  203. on August 29, 2008 at 6:25 pm Patrick Bateman

    @sara 202

    Serial killer wannabe?

    I never said I wanted to be a serial killer, only that I identify with some fictional serial killers. It’s more the secret schizoid aspect of their personalities, than their desire to kill. I have violent impulses and fantasies, but they’re probably pretty weak compared to real killers.

    Then again, maybe you don’t want that.

    I screen for quality in my #2, but it’s not as important as in #1 and the girls I just stick my dick in only need to look good.

    The earmark of a highly toxic brain.

    Plenty of killers are that way “naturally”. Some brains are just different, even without the pollutants of the modern world.

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  204. 204 Bateman

    I said: Then again, maybe you don’t want that.

    Another of my weak attempts at humor. I was referring to your maybe not wanting a lot of men to come on to you.

    I beg to differ on your viewpoint “that plenty of killers are that way naturally”. If behavior can be changed by healing the brain (and it can) then there goes the ‘naturally deranged’ theory. Just because traditional western medicine doesn’t know how to do anything but hammer the body into submission with drugs and surgeries, does not mean it’s not being done all over the world.

    Drug companies have a stranglehold on what is taught in medial schools, what sickness insurance pays for and of course the media that’s so effective at lulling the masses into mindless submission to spend their money on things that decidedly do not “first do no harm”.

    A person can become healthy more by removing shit from their bodies, rather than adding more shit, or even good stuff.

    I submit that a Quality Girl/Woman/Boy/Man also runs a clean machine.

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  205. @Nicole 197

    I mean who, in the modern West (and Israel is a hybrid, but I suspect that the Israeli men you deal with think of themselves as “The West”, except for the Moroccans) has tried to consider how to live a good life in the absence of (easy?) sex?

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  206. lol @ anon49 taking himself so seriously!

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  207. on August 29, 2008 at 8:39 pm Patrick Bateman

    @sara

    I didn’t get that you were alluding to men hitting on me. I thought you were referring to me wanting women with the qualities you listed. I’m not homophobic at all. I’m flattered when gay men hit on me.

    I beg to differ on your viewpoint “that plenty of killers are that way naturally”. If behavior can be changed by healing the brain (and it can) then there goes the ‘naturally deranged’ theory.

    No, it doesn’t. I do not mean to suggest that many if not most violent offenders could not be cured by better health habits, but even with perfect health habits, some people would still kill other people.

    Drug companies have a stranglehold on what is taught in medial schools.

    Doctors do, and they are no more open-minded than most people.

    I submit that a Quality Girl/Woman/Boy/Man also runs a clean machine.

    I agree, but my definitions of clean and quality differ from yours.

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  208. So you’re looking to look like CB as PB in AP by around 2009. Very high ambition, since I’m thinking that level of male beauty is about as good as it gets, far superior to veiny bulbous bodybuilder types. Bale’s cycled his body through some pretty ferocious metamorphoses, from gauntifying himself near to death for the Machinist then gaining 100 lbs for Batman Begins. Definitely some chemical augmentation for the muscle gain phase. AP though, he looked optimal. I’m looking to approach that kind of physique, but given the limitations of age, it’s going to be a challenge getting anywhere near that.

    Oh, and I’d f*ck Bale as PB in AP. You’re a honey, I’m sure, but your comments, no matter how well thought out and written, don’t put any starch in my collar, ahem.

    Oh, I’m neither bi nor gay. Women are my loves and lusts. But…Bateman (the real one!)…get me drunk, about four long lines of coke, bring a woman into the picture to “break the ice”, and well, who knows what could happen?

    Dexter’s actually pretty hot too. I don’t get what Sara’s worried about. What’s a little serial killing between friends?

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  209. And speaking of…Sara, are you saying that your detox actually attracted men to you?

    As Vincent Vega said in Pulp Fiction:

    That’s a bold statement.

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  210. on August 29, 2008 at 9:21 pm Patrick Bateman

    @PatrickH

    So you’re looking to look like CB as PB in AP by around 2009. Very high ambition, since I’m thinking that level of male beauty is about as good as it gets, far superior to veiny bulbous bodybuilder types.

    That type of body isn’t hard to attain with the right diet and exercise. I look nothing like Bale in the face, I only chose this name because I like the character. The celebrities I’m told I resemble are Tony Romo and John Leguizamo, but I’m not as fat in the face as either of them.

    And speaking of…Sara, are you saying that your detox actually attracted men to you?

    Good health does a lot for looks, but working out probably did more for her than detox.

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  211. You using any chemical augmentation Patrick B? You don’t have to answer of course. I doubt it, for some reason. And is it true that the R man is currently actually now supplementing with the Juice of the Gods? If he is, I’d love to read a post from him on the subject.

    Romo/Leguizamo? Interesting. JL in his leaner times is actually not too bad looking, considering how often he plays foaming, sweating, bug-eyed madmen. I’d rather look like him than Romo, who’s kind of the jockish-varsity type. JMO, of course.

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  212. 210 PatrickH

    And speaking of…Sara, are you saying that your detox actually attracted men to you?

    Let me put it this way, they’re having a harder time acting aloof. I haven’t been out on the town in quite a while due to feeling crappy with the detox and I went out on Friday and was accosted (in a nice way) by two men who hit on me every time I see them (small town) only they upped the ante quite a bit. A few more were definitely interested. I feel so much better, more relaxed, my skin is glowing, I lost 5 pounds, am walking, running, and doing yoga more often and always dress feminine, not slutty. I got it going on, only more so now. Definitely.

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  213. 208 Patrick B.

    Doctors do, and they are no more open-minded than most people.

    Precisely. Especially the mainstream doctors. They don’t question authority, or if they try they end up with a heart attack. Such is the vested interests that control them. Thinking outside the box is not encouraged to say the least.

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  214. @Eurosabra, post 203

    I believe you’re correct. I couldn’t find the link you spoke of, but I’ve read a few websites with similar complaints about Israeli men and “getting serious”.

    The problem is usually American and western European women giving up their hearts, not just the sex, way too early into the relationship.

    It takes me at least a year to begin thinking about taking someone seriously though. My mistake is not being privy to aspects of the upbringing of certain ethnicities here that make it so extremely unlikely as to be negligible, that they would have the independence of thought to allow themselves to love someone of a different religious designation.

    Americans are taught to ignore cultural trends, because they’re seen as a slippery slope to racism. I’ve learned that it’s better to get some psychological shoes with traction, and navigate that slippery slope, than to end up washed under the landslide.

    There are no rules for accessibility of buildings in this young country. Disabled people are supposed to stay out of sight and out of mind. This includes the even mildly mentally challenged. The education system for the challenged is fantastic, but if they don’t make the cut and keep up with their peers, they are considered tragic, and most people won’t even try to relate to them.

    On the one hand, it challenges people who have fairly mild challenges to excel rather than merely normalize, but on the other, people outside the school system can be quite blatantly cruel.

    So the attitude towards anyone here who isn’t “eugenically correct” is about the same. That doesn’t have anything to do with “live for today and take what you can get”. That is, “We’ll show them a g-d-damned master race!”

    Meanwhile, Jews are losing their majority in Israel. Not enough children are being born to sustain the Jewish, non designated (true secular), and non Arab Christian population. Part of that is because the non designated and technically Christian are shut out…well the males anyway. The females are objects of exploitation who, if they attempt to form romantic relationships, will merely be shuffled between Arabs, Jews, and Druze, all of whom will be willing to shag her, but none of whom will treat her like a human being.

    On the Arab/Druze end, it’s more like, “Wow, a White woman who I can treat like crap, and take out all my racial jealousy and hatred on. Sweet!”

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  215. 211 Bateman

    Good health does a lot for looks, but working out probably did more for her than detox.

    You hope it’s not the detox, but I’m telling you it is way more the detox than that I work out a little more. A persons attitude and demeanor can change dramatically when they’ve been cleaned out. I mean, doesn’t your bathroom feel better after you’ve flushed the toilet? You could put the lid down and not see the shit, but somehow you’d know it was there.

    Women spend thousands and thousands if they have it working from the outside, or taking baskets full of supplements, dieting, reading self help books about relationships and men and you guys tell us that still doesn’t cut it.

    The detox was a royal pain in the ass. The doctor who helped me through it gave me big kudos because most people would not go through what I went through, nor spend the money I did ($5,000 on dental work alone having the mercury removed from my head) not to mention the hundreds of dollars I spent on Natural Cellular Defense, Takara Detox Foot Patches (with the horrid smell) and the supplements that facilitated the process, or the fact that I could not work for at least five months. But hey, great results do not come easy or cheap. We wish.

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  216. @Eurosabra, I forgot to add that one of the reasons I’m very blunt about this is not to make Jews feel bad. It’s to protect them from themselves.

    Exploitive attitudes about non Jewish women has caused more than one Jewish guy to grab hold of a “tar baby”.

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  217. on August 30, 2008 at 11:22 am Patrick Bateman

    @PatrickH

    I only use creatine and protein powders. I tried an aromatase inhibitor for one cycle (~6 weeks) and it worked but I did not like what it did to my mood. It was like I was a woman going through menopause. I got hot flashes, I was needy, depressed, libido went down, fuck that. I’m going to put on another 10-20 pounds of muscle at low bf% naturally before I mess with chemicals again, and I’ll use the good stuff next time.

    I don’t believe Roissy is currently juicing, but he’s seems to be giving it some serious consideration.

    I definitely see the TR resemblance in my smile. I think I get JL because of my cheekbones.

    @Sara

    Shit, that’s a serious detox. My detox is just cleaning out the GI tract with a detox diet. The improvements I get from that are small compared to what I get from working out. I still think extreme detox is overkill. I’m sure you made major diet changes during that time that contributed to your improved health and appearance.

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  218. Patrick B.: aromatase inhibitors are a bitch. (Sorry! Couldn’t resist. I’m cheap that way.) They really do hit you hard emotionally (if you do them again, pay the big bucks for arimidex…unless that was the one you tried…it’s a quick, very effective hit on spiking estrogen…not sure if it’s an aromatase inhibitor or acts directly to keep estrogen low…I think it’s the latter).

    Jesus, Sara. That is the heaviest hardest core detox I’ve ever heard of. You are some kind of serious badass (or something) about the issue. I think of detox as juice fasting for 3 days, maybe cutting yeasty stuff out, doing a colonic irrigation if you’re some kind of Euro commie pinko prevert type. And that’s about it. Getting your mercury yanked? Yow. That’s serious.

    And Takara Detox Foot Patches? I’m going to marry a woman who wears Detox Foot Patches? Wow…I think I’ll have to get Hope to divorce her man and come to me. Or maybe Chic can be hypnotized into walking down my aisle. I’m having doubts about us, Sara, our future together…cold feet about your stinky feet, so to speak.

    Chic, will you marry me? Sara’s making me kinda…nervous. You don’t wear any kind of foot patches, do you?

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  219. 218 Patrick B

    I’m sure you made major diet changes during that time that contributed to your improved health and appearance.

    As much as I hate (LOL) to keep telling you that you’re wrong; you’re wrong. I made not one dietary change. My diet was very good to begin with. It was not a fast type of detox. I just finished off my extra large cup of half caf coffee loaded with honey and whole milk.

    219 PatrickH

    Sara’s making me kinda…nervous. You don’t wear any kind of foot patches, do you?

    Silly, silly PatrickH. I see your love is quite conditional, so I would not be able to marry you anyway. The foot patches are a thing of the past and thank God; I got really sick of them; and my feet and bed smelling like a wet BBQ. I am a fanatic on good smells, but the results speak for themselves. Enjoy your new wife, loser. ^_^

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  220. @The whole Sara detox thing:

    I’m sorry Sara, but aside of getting rid of the mercury, I think you’ve been scammed.

    Once you get rid of the slow drip of actually harmful toxins, the rest is and should be a matter of just helping your body do the work of cleansing itself…and no doctor of any tradition knows how to do this better than Nature itself.

    I used to have hypothyroidism that was tipped over the edge by bad birth control (Depo Provera) and likely overexposure to mosquito spray. They used to spray very heavily in the running path area where I used to run when I was in the Navy.

    Exercising and giving your body the proper fuel is a lifestyle change that does more for you than any detox program, which is basically like health rehab, and wrought with the same quackery as any.

    The simple act of making yourself sweat, and drinking enough clean water to piss clearly is all you really need to rid your body of poisons. The rest is not putting more poison in.

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  221. Usually lurking 8–

    “It is not THAT hard to find a girl who does not cheat.”

    I think / know that there is far more cheating going on than the great majority of men think. Women/girls are far better at covering it up. Women also don’t admit it in real life or in surveys, esp. to men, nearly as much as men do.

    A Newsweek article this year reported on studies showing younger women now self reporting cheating in marriage nearly as much (about 50 of the time) as men do. That means it’s probably more. Now if you exclude the fatties or assume anyway they’re going to come in at a way lower percentage, and do the same with the really religious, that means the cheating level for yuppie women has got to be WAY up there. And I think it is.

    Take a woman who’s screwed twenty men in college and another twenty afterwards, and who can find someone to cheat with at the drop of a hat in her marriage if she wants to — and then consider which way the money flows in divorce in America and to what degree regardless of who cheats – you’ve got huge temptation and a very, very good chance that even if she gets caught her husband won’t want to badly punish himself financially by divorcing her (unlike if it’s the other way around) — if he thinks there’s any chance that she’ll stop. Or anyway I think it’s often like that.

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  222. I agree but he won’t. Or if he does, he will then swing the other way and hate white peo.ple.

    I’m trying to avoid going down the path of hating whites and other races too. I’ve seen others follow that path, and it simply lead to evil and hatred and in many cases, a wasted life spent in misery.

    You don’t have to prove anything to anyone. Just be the best DA that you can be.

    It’s hard not to feel that way. In some cases, one feels this need to be the “good” black person to change the minds and destroy the stereotypes lurking in other people. Of course, when you live by those standards, you sometimes end up over analyzing ever move that you make wondering if it makes you look bad in front of “them”.

    I am happy to read that you are aware of the “research” of realists/racists.

    Reading that stuff is downright depressing, especially when you see the half-baked comments written by its supporters.

    Stay away from w people who like to say “you are different” or “you don’t act like a black person”

    Except everybody brings that up, both black and white.

    Those who expect to be treated as inferior will be, regardless of the prejudices that exist.

    I think this is where I diverge from most people. While most people will say that self-worth is what you assign to yourself, I’ve always felt that self-worth was bunk, and that your worth is appraised by society, and your best efforts will always be no match for what society thinks of you. In the end, there are no individuals, but people trapped in large monolithic groups who may or may not fulfill stereotypes.

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  223. on August 30, 2008 at 7:13 pm Patrick Bateman

    As much as I hate (LOL) to keep telling you that you’re wrong; you’re wrong. I made not one dietary change. My diet was very good to begin with. It was not a fast type of detox. I just finished off my extra large cup of half caf coffee loaded with honey and whole milk.

    This is the first time I have actually been wrong in our little discussions. Hardcore detox may be overkill for most, but I’m sure it’s a net positive for some people. I believe many of the reports of compound X or Y having adverse effects, while studies on X and Y show little to no correlation with those effects can be reconciled by recognizing that some minority of the population will always have adverse reactions while some people are great at fighting off toxic substances. Me, I don’t get hangovers at all and I can mix all types of alcohol and add some milk and cookies for good measure without any stomach problems, but give me a shirt that’s been washed with perfumed detergents and I may get hives.

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  224. 224 Patrick B.

    This is the first time I have actually been wrong in our little discussions

    Honestly, how does your girlfriend cope?

    Hardcore detox may be overkill for most, but I’m sure it’s a net positive for some people

    With me, good or bad, it’s all or nothing.

    but give me a shirt that’s been washed with perfumed detergents and I may get hives.

    Sounds like you’ve reached your threshold of certain perfumes but not alcohol. If you tip the scales on what your body can handle disease results. Our bodies can endure incredible abuse, but there’s always that limit.

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  225. 221 Nicole

    Exercising and giving your body the proper fuel is a lifestyle change that does more for you than any detox program, which is basically like health rehab, and wrought with the same quackery as any.

    I respectfully disagree, though sweating is a great release of toxins, I’m not a firm believe in facilitating the process with products like Natural Cellular Defense and (reluctantly) the Takara foot patches. No scam on either of those products. The research is there on both and my detox symptoms and subsequent relief are proof enough for me. I’m highly aware of the bullshit cures out there and have had great success sifting through it to get to the gems.

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  226. Poorly worded alert:

    I’m not a firm believe… should be I’m a firm believer

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  227. @Sara, suit yourself, but just well, take it from a long time hoodoo lady…I’ve seen alot of “research” turn out to be wrong, or done under unscientific conditions.

    What’s healthy for a 30 year old male inmate might be poison for you…and these so-called “detox symptoms” are usually the body rightfully rejecting overdoses of chemicals that aren’t healthy in the quantities most “detox” programs give them.

    Just because something comes from a plant, doesn’t make it good for you at any dosage. Most “detox” is bunk. It was bunk back in the age of the snake oil salesman with the cart, and it still is, even when it’s repackaged.

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  228. Enjoy your new wife, loser.

    Well! I could hardly enjoy you, could I, what with all the holes in your teeth from getting your fillings pulled out? Any deep kissing and you’d be screaming in pain from my tongue hitting those exposed nerve endings.

    Speaking of the, ah, fragrance of a detoxifying woman, I knew a lass who did a fairly serious detox, (built on fasting primarily) and while she was going through it, oh boy. Breath: sour. Sweat: sour and even astringent. Her secret garden, both taste and smell: either antiseptic or like stale coffee (? I didn’t know why that last, neither did she). Bitter. Yuck.

    But when she was done…oh my dears. Every part of her was a treat for my nose and tongue. Mouth, skin, pits, secret garden and environs, feet (!), everything. She was actually truly sweet. I mean, she really tasted and smelled of a fresh light sweetness like nothing else I’ve experienced.

    I wonder if the guys hitting on you were picking up something similar coming off you. If they were, and you smell anything like my lass of fond memory then maybe I’ll marry you after all. ‘Cause that was one utterly enchanting body, in taste and smell (and touch…her skin was like silk).

    Yummy.

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  229. 228 Nicole

    I’ve seen alot of “research” turn out to be wrong, or done under unscientific conditions.

    Yes, me too. Check this out:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/015232.html

    This is not my site: http://www.sharethecause.info/

    I’m not trying to convince you to detox, but I may not be as woefully deluded as you imagine.

    Chemicals in the detox product? Not in the one’s I use. If zeolite clay is toxic, why did 78% of stage four cancer patients go into remission when taking it? You probably don’t believe the study was done properly.

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  230. PatrickH

    But when she was done…oh my dears. Every part of her was a treat for my nose and tongue.

    Great testimonial. So she tasted sweeter post detox, than pre-detox? And during detox was the worst of all? I rest my case, but I doubt Nicole or Bateman will be convinced. Stubborn pair; those two.

    I wonder if the guys hitting on you were picking up something similar coming off you.

    Well, we are animals after all, and the reactions of these men was a bit embarrassing but I enjoyed it. One of them was openly and shamefully worshipful, the other stared with jealousy as I danced with other men. My friends commented on it.

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  231. I should have said “shamelessly” worshipful. Too tired for blogging today. *_*

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  232. I could imagine being shamefully worshipful…though never of you, Sara.

    And yes, she smelled better post-detox than pre. Her pre odours weren’t bad, but tended to the salty. Post: she could be musky, but in a light way that had, yes, a definite sweetness to it. The sweetness wasn’t cloying or sugary in any way, more floral than anything. But definitely present, and not a smell I’ve encountered from any other woman.

    As for during: I believe some of the antiseptic smells and tastes were her expelling toxic residues of (I’m guessing) pesticides, medicines and additives.

    Oh, and despite my praise of her post-detox smell and taste, the most obvious change was in the texture of her skin. Pre: nice, soft, smooth. Post: purest silk. Her skin was the kind women pay a lot of money to try to get, but never do.

    Her detox was, however, quite different than yours, AFAIK. It was built around a ten to twelve day fast, mostly juices and broths. It was European in origin, and I had the impression it’s been around for a while…nothing newfangled or high-tech about it. Euro-ladies had been doing it for decades at spa towns like Marienbad and St. Moritz and such and such.

    She even had a colonic irrigation done, which is completely Euro. She loved it, and said it was “addictive! Totally!” and tried to convince me to bend over and give one a try. No thanks. An enema by any other name would stink as badly…

    So your foot patch / mercury excavating / keelhauling / internal heimlich manoeuvre / cosmological / kabalistic rejiggerification is really a different detox beastie, so to speak.

    Still, I wouldn’t be surprised if you smell and taste very very good indeed.

    Wanna let me check you out? I’ll be gentle…

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  233. Sara 231–

    “I wonder if the guys hitting on you were picking up something similar coming off you.

    Well, we are animals after all, and the reactions of these men was a bit embarrassing but I enjoyed it. One of them was openly and shamefully worshipful, the other stared with jealousy as I danced with other men. My friends commented on it.”

    First I’d like to make clear that I have not puritain dislike of your femme fatale realities or posturings. That’s not to say I myself have wanted a femme fatale but I have wanted and had fairly close sisters.

    But I do find it rich that you are financing your new explorations on the back of your “workaholic” ex-husband who you discribed as “beta” but initally “vry good in bed” (which I think means at least highest beta and maybe lesser alpha, when combined with money, status etc.- but I’d have to know i) how many good looking women he’s screwed so far and 2) how many want him now).

    You got bored with him. Ok. Maybe you should have tried harder to save your marriage and work on him. Maybe you did. Women lie all the time about this sort of thing, so no I really don’t much care what you have to say about this. I’d have to hear what his best friends have to say. And then yours, I guess (but his will be far more objective and ready to dis him and yours will be far more sisterhood. A sex diff, esp. in our current culture.)

    You esp. got sexually bored with him. There is this four year female strong sexual bonding thing with men they do really fall in love with. After that, it’s a new ball game. Well there’s a variance in how long the initial thing. And actually it’s more like a 1-4 year bonding thing, if it’s ever really strong and emotional rather than only sexual. There’s usually a delay to the conscious disatisfaction or desire to leave, but not a delay in e.g. desire to have sexual relations with her partner.

    It’s not impossible to overcome this. There are some couples where the woman keeps really sexually desiring the man into old age, even without his cheating on her and her deciding to struggle to reclaim him, etc. But not so much. Esp. because the later thing isn’t so much because American women are massively shamed by their feminist indoctrinated sisterhood to leave their husbands at the first evidence of any form of adultery, no matter how loving they remain to their wives. E.g. Jonathan Edwards, Elliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton (in the later case it does look like it’s become a marriage of convenience, however much it didn’t start that way).

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  234. Sara 234–

    As for on the back of you “shamefully’ workaholic (but you did cash in, didn’t you dear) husband:

    1) fifty fifty split of assets, almost none of which you earned. (completely unjust under the circumstances, true man rape).

    2) child support=alimony at obscenely high after tax rates, which are the only ones that matter.

    3) alimony in addition. Beyond obscene.

    Divorce thief par excellence who comes on her with her airy vapid theorizings, and lust for an alphaish hot male, on the backs of her divorce theft.

    (As for “best interests of the child”: largely feminist and male syncophant horeshit justifying massive feminist tiliting. Funny how money isn’t very imporant when biological moms fight for regaining custody of their foster care kids who a rich couple has adopted, etc. And in fact it isn’t very important. What is important are the values and intelligence of the raising parent(s) with male and female parents being far preferable. That normally correlates pretty strongly with income, buy not remotely always.

    Women should not be albe to marry partly (and it’s usually only partly) because of an attraction to a man’s money, responsibility, and stability, and then be able to divorce and compel him to give her a very large percentage of that both accumulated and going forward, with her giving him nothing in return. Esp. if they are young children, most men not totally lost in today’s heavy feminist propaganda would much rather just start over with a woman that wants to be and stay his wife, and give him kids that will be all his, not some small percentage.

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  235. dougjnn

    Where exactly did you come from? If you’re trying to get me to feel guilty about my divorce from my husband, the workaholic/alcoholic, you’re not doing a very good job. Seeing how you don’t know me, or him, or the situation, you make a lot of assumption, presumably based on your personal experiences. prejudices, statistics, news stories, or whatever. As the saying goes, “There’s no future in the past”. I see no reason to revisit it.

    On these points:

    1) fifty fifty split of assets, almost none of which you earned. (completely unjust under the circumstances, true man rape).

    I disagree that I didn’t earn it. It was both our choice that I stay home and raise our daughter. Is that not earning anything to you? Silly question.

    2) child support=alimony at obscenely high after tax rates, which are the only ones that matter.

    I disagree.

    3) alimony in addition. Beyond obscene.

    I somewhat agree which is why I took only half of what the law allowed me.

    You’re one of those victim loving types, right? Poor thing.

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  236. on September 1, 2008 at 9:58 am sara hates cat haters

    I have lived with several Zen masters, all of them cats.

    – Eckhart Tolle

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  237. Nicole said:On the Arab/Druze end, it’s more like, “Wow, a White woman who I can treat like crap, and take out all my racial jealousy and hatred on. Sweet!”

    This is so ^^^ sad.

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  238. Patrick H- No detox footies for me.

    Patrick Bateman, please tell me more about your detox. What foods are prohibited etc…

    DA said: It’s hard not to feel that way. In some cases, one feels this need to be the “good” black person to change the minds and destroy the stereotypes lurking in other people. Of course, when you live by those standards, you sometimes end up over analyzing ever move that you make wondering if it makes you look bad in front of “them

    *shakes head in agreement*

    I’ve been there, and I realized it is a waste of time.

    There will always be a percentage(maybe 20%) of white America who will never have anything good to say about a blk person whatever his/her accomplishments may be. Just look at the way some WA are complaining about Asians taking all of the seats at IVY league schools.

    Really, it’s about divide and conquer. If poor whites and the POC of America got together, one can only imagine what changes could come about.

    Reading that stuff is downright depressing, especially when you see the half-baked comments written by its supporters,/i>

    I know, that’s why it’s better to lurk only once a week at those types of blogs. Those people are just looking for a way to make themselves feel better about their place in life. Not unlike the Arab/Druze men Nicole mentioned in her comment. I am willing to bet that very few of the blog commenters on the RR blogs have blond hair and blue eyes and are from very wealthy old money families.

    Except everybody brings that up, both black and white

    and when people bring it up you should say what I say,” How many African-Americans do you know?”. There are 38million of us in this country, it is impossible to truly know every single one of us.

    I think this is where I diverge from most people. While most people will say that self-worth is what you assign to yourself, I’ve always felt that self-worth was bunk, and that your worth is appraised by society, and your best efforts will always be no match for what society thinks of you. In the end, there are no individuals, but people trapped in large monolithic groups who may or may not fulfill stereotypes.

    Point well noted, but there have always been blks who commanded respect and got it from the world, even when blks as a group, where more openly and viciously looked down upon.

    Your comment also plays into why the media has such a strong influence on how people see themselves and the world at large.

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  239. Sorry sweetheart. Living in Detroit for too many years, followed by DC, then San Francisco and Chicago while concurrently having traveled to other countries that also have black populations has made me realize that many african-americans are complete pieces of shit.

    The media didn’t make me realize this, watching and interacting with many black americans did.

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  240. ps. that’s directed at 239

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  241. ps. No other race will walk through an airport (poorly dressed, I might add) singing loudly, making a scene, being obnoxious, and basically doing what they can to disregard normal societal rules yet toeing the line to avoid being in trouble with the law as young to middle-aged black americans. Never seen another race do this, yet I see black americans do this all the time in airports.

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  242. @242- Oh I’ve seen WA act out all of the time in public. Of course they looked at as examples of their entire race and I dare say that you did not see 38 million blk people “singing loudly, making a scene, being obnoxious”.

    poorly dressed

    I seen Americans of all races poorly dressed in Airports. Besides NYC, in what part of the country are most WA as stylish as the average Italian or Parisian???

    while concurrently having traveled to other countries that also have black populations has made me realize that many african-americans are complete pieces of shit

    So blks from any other part of the world are okay???

    What made AA such awful people???

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  243. on September 2, 2008 at 8:25 pm Usually Lurking

    Besides NYC, in what part of the country are most WA as stylish as the average Italian or Parisian???

    I can’t speak to all this Black-White stuff, but, in my experience, the average Italian (from Italy) dresses like simple Euro-Trash. Actually, I have found that the upper-middle class, and higher, English are more stylish than the upper-middle class of Italy.

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  244. I’ve been to Italy as well as England. I would say the English style is restrained elegance while the Italian style is more suave and sexy. When you get a step lower in taste, English can get a bit frumpy/dorky while Italian can get a bit gay/trashy.

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  245. UL, thanks for not going down the low road. I find that Italien men are very stlish. Some English men are too but often they are a bit to formal.

    yours truly-I agree

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  246. on September 3, 2008 at 1:41 am Usually Lurking

    I find that Italien men are very stlish.

    I am not talking about comparing Rome/Milan/Florence/Naples to London/Edinburgh.

    I am talking about the “real” parts of Italy and the real parts of England and Scotland.

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  247. *stylish*

    I am not talking about comparing Rome/Milan/Florence/Naples to London/Edinburgh.

    LOL
    Are you an elitest?

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  248. Wow, good blog. I can’t be bothered reading all the comments but fucking good blog man.

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  249. @215 Nicole

    My experience (as a chronically-ill Israeli with some disability issues) is that your appraisal applies mainly to those with an invisible or developmental disability. Accessibility tends to depend on the age of the infrastructure, too, which is why Haifa (with older infrastructure, and built on hillsides, seacoast and ridges) might seem more inaccessible. Jerusalem and Tel Aviv are much better, although I don’t want to think about the Old City’s accessibility issues. I simply don’t see all of the social ills you decry, and it seems that you (as some anti-Zionists do, particularly anti-Zionists of the Left) see Israeli society as particularly cruel and particularly isolating, then again, poverty in Jerusalem is so overwhelming in places as to make a night spent in Haifa’s Gan HaEm seem like paradise. There is a LOT of sociology on the various cruelties, which people ascribe to a poor country that has destroyed its people’s traditional social networks (clan/family/village) with rampant capitalism. I think people are too far removed from the Holocaust experience for it to be causation, rather, the thoughtlessness is what does it. The film “Bonjour, Monsieur Shlomi” addresses the situation of a late-blooming genius in Haifa, and the subtext of the “special school” in that film and the context of Israel’s pedagogical culture is worth a look.

    I simply don’t see Arab/Druze men as particularly cruel, or rather the ones I saw were openly at play with women who were equally unserious, or old enough that their families knew that they would be taking a “foreign” woman back to the village as a bride. Of the various Israeli cultures, I think Islamic Arab/Druze culture does best in allowing foreign women to “marry in”, because of the assumption that her husband’s geography and identity will determine hers. She simply becomes his, is subsumed by his family identity and village or shares his urban lifestyle, with a pro-forma conversion or a trip to Cyprus. Matrilineal descent (unless conversion) means that Israeli Jewish men are more likely to “put away” a relationship with a non-Jewish woman as a dalliance, and I suppose you could research “breach of promise (to marry)” in British law and see if it ever came up as an issue in Mandatory Palestine.

    As for the Jewish population, the Haredi will take care of that, and they are getting more, not less, statist with organizations like ZAKA bringing them into the fold. Unless ALL Israeli-Arab women are going to have 10 kids each indefinitely (they aren’t and they don’t) the Orthodox Jewish ones who do (there are enough, and they will) will keep the demographic balance. Phrasing it in such terms, I think, also keeps the society from confronting what it wants the cultural content of its citizens to be, and how to reconcile their differing visions of the philosophically “good” life.

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  250. @Eurosabra

    On the contrary, I’m not anti Zionist. I’m also not anti Arab or anti Palestinian. In my opinion, they can all blow each other to hell.

    It’s just that if someone is going to be a separatist or into eugenics, they ought to be honest about that, and stick to their guns. A guy who thinks foreign women or women not of their own ethnicity are subhuman monkeys or something, should just leave them alone…or at the very least restrict their exploration to prostitutes or women offering and wanting only casual sex.

    About the demographics though, something you should know about the statistics. Yisrael Eichler announced the truth years ago…that Jews have already lost the majority in Israel. Until he outed the stats, they were claiming the non Arab non Jews in the count.

    …and when I look around, I see an epidemic of divorce coupled with a disturbing pseudo Americanization of Israeli young people. Guys hardly marry or commit anymore unless their girlfriend/hoe/whatever gets pregnant…and everyone wants to be “friends with benefits” with each other.

    Downward spiral.

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  251. on September 3, 2008 at 12:06 pm Patrick Bateman

    @Chic Noir
    Patrick Bateman, please tell me more about your detox. What foods are prohibited etc…

    I eat only fruits and vegetables for two days and drink lots of water. The hardest part is going without caffeine.

    @sara
    I disagree that I didn’t earn it. It was both our choice that I stay home and raise our daughter. Is that not earning anything to you? Silly question.

    I see the rationale in giving a woman some support after the divorce if the husband insisted she stay at home during the marriage, but the support certainly should not be permanent. The woman should be given a reasonable amount of time to develop marketable skills that she missed out on while she was married. Furthermore, if the woman wanted the husband to refrain from having sex with other women during the marriage, then we could equally make the case that she should be required to have sex with him regularly after the divorce, until he recovers the game skills he missed out on during the marriage.

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  252. on September 3, 2008 at 12:36 pm Usually Lurking

    Are you an elitest?

    I am looking to compare the Average Italian to the Average Englishman…that is usually considered to be anti-elitist.

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  253. Sara 236–

    “The law allows”.

    The law you are talking about, California divorce law, is the most oppressive to men (esp. upper middle class men) in the entire world. Massively unjust. You feel all proud of yourself that though you committed massive divorce theft as allowed under this law, even though you were the one who wanted to leave the marriage for new romantic / sexual adventures, you didn’t totally max out on the alimony in addition to child support=alimony (and big property).

    Well it’s disgusting. The divorce property and support law everywhere in the US is massively unjust, particularly now that it’s mostly women seeking divorce, usually because they want to try to find a better romantic partner (and are everywhere told by American media that they can, and deserve to in fact).

    “1) fifty fifty split of assets, almost none of which you earned. (completely unjust under the circumstances, true man rape).

    I disagree that I didn’t earn it. It was both our choice that I stay home and raise our daughter. Is that not earning anything to you? Silly question.

    2) child support=alimony at obscenely high after tax rates, which are the only ones that matter.

    I disagree.

    3) alimony in addition. Beyond obscene.

    I somewhat agree which is why I took only half of what the law allowed me.”

    Yes Sara of course you disagree. I’ve read through most of the archives at this point and know very well who you are. You’re utterly self absorbed and very selfish. Now when you’re in love you extend you bubble of concern for that loved one, and I imagine you do for your (loved) daughter as well. But issues of fairness to other people beyond that, not so much.

    For that matter, logic — not so much.

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  254. A mother who is recently divorced and has no protection will find herself having to work fulltime on a low paying job and having to pay for childcare, living in a bad neighbourhood and sending her child to poor schools unless she has put her career first while married. That is a pretty dire situation, and precisely what women seek to avoid when they choose not to become single mothers.

    Women are financially vulnerable while bearing and raising their young, if they are left unprotected, they will spend less time doing so. This means women will have fewer children and if they do have a child, they will more often invest more time in their career and less time in their families. As much as you may intend for ex wives to suffer, the children will eventually suffer more, for they cannot fend for themselves.

    Even if women get half the assets and child support and alimony, they will be poorer than they were while married. When her ex husband is supporting a family in two houses rather than one, it simply costs more even if no one is getting the short end of the stick. (I don’t know what percentage of a man’s income would go towards supporting his children, so I cannot comment on who gets what end of the stick.)

    Children are a responsibility even after marriage has ended, they cost a lot of time and money. Divorce does not mean you can go back to how things were before you married. You made lifechanging decisions when you chose to reproduce. A good parent puts his or her children first. The wish to turn back time and start afresh is pretty common in humans, even if it is not one of the options.

    Unless a reversed role model was in action, divorced men have financial responsibilities towards their children while divorced women will take the lionshare of the childrearing duties. I don’t think a divorced mother is always glad to have to hurry from work to pick up her children from school, then do groceries and cook while at the same time keeping her children well behaved and spend her evening washing clothes, cleaning up, bathing the children, having to get up early to get the kids ready for school and make a lunchbox etc. She is not going to have much time to find a new partner and to spend on him. The ex husband has his evenings free but a lot less money to spend on finding a new partner and dating her. If the couple was well to do while married, they can afford an angreeable lifestyle even while divorced. In all other cases, a divorcee will make a less attractive partner to an unmarried single. If he is a good part, because he cannot put a new spouse first, and what sane person would want to start a family with a bad parent?

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  255. Remarriage to a previously unmarried spouse is a form of polygamy in essence, polygamy has always been for the few rather than the many.

    Remarriage to another divorcee is not out of reach for most. Divorced women have little time to date while divorced men have little money to spend on dates, which makes infrequent dating or a short courtship convenient to both. Once married, two halves of assets will make a whole, so that is fitting well.

    Other than that, people divorce for a reason, it may not be bad to be off the dating scene for a few years to help control the damage in their kids and to do a little soul searching so that they can make better decisions next time. Sometimes life gives us an opportunity to reflect.

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  256. And in a healthy marriage, based on love, the equivalent of the man’s work outside of the house is the woman’s work at home; cooking, cleaning, laundry and childrearing. Or alternatively her work outside of the house if it is a 50/50 thing.

    Sex is not among the chores in a healthy marriage but something that is done to express love and fullfil the desires of oneself and one’s spouse.

    If you consider sex to be a chore for your wife, you are a john.

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  257. 254 dougjnn

    I’ve read through most of the archives at this point and know very well who you are.

    You shouldn’t have! I feel sorry for you. I’d be mortified to read some of my earlier posts.

    Now when you’re in love you extend you bubble of concern for that loved one..

    This is utterly false. I am not in love at this point. You seem to be grabbing things out of thin air.

    For that matter, logic — not so much.

    Logic is only half the brain after all.

    Well, I wish you the best. Sounds like you got horribly burned in a divorce or are just using the divorce laws as an excuse not to get married. In effect you sound very bitter. Much more so than my ex-husband, who by the way, I have vast respect for. And I love him as a friend and vice versa. I do feel bad that things did not work out for us. He is a good man and has remarried and has two step children. His mother supported me in the divorce. No one knew how I endured it as long as I did. Suffice it to say that your subjective opinion is not something I can take very seriously. You don’t know my life or what I’ve been through.

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  258. on September 3, 2008 at 7:19 pm Comment_Dumb_Rock

    ****
    Women are financially vulnerable while bearing and raising their young, if they are left unprotected, they will spend less time doing so. This means women will have fewer children and if they do have a child, they will more often invest more time in their career and less time in their families. As much as you may intend for ex wives to suffer, the children will eventually suffer more, for they cannot fend for themselves.
    ****
    Really, could you stop the for the good of the children argument?

    If we assume all women being paid off to divorce would still take off without the payoff, then perhaps it would be worse “for the children” if the mother had to do something for her children to have access to their fathers money. However, it is certain that divorce rates would go down. So what’s better for the “children”. A sexually bored mother in a two parent family, or a single mother slutting it up? One thing is certain about modern divorce law, society doesn’t much care for “the children” except as a tool to use against men.

    Going on, right now, the mother has to do absolutely nothing to have access to all the money. I know, I know, Mother’s Love, blah, blah. If father could threaten to cut ex-wife off, this could powerfully modify whatever behaviour she was inflicting on her helpless offspring.

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  259. on September 3, 2008 at 7:21 pm Comment_Mothers_Love

    *****
    Well, I wish you the best. Sounds like you got horribly burned in a divorce or are just using the divorce laws as an excuse not to get married. In effect you sound very bitter. Much more so than my ex-husband, who by the way, I have vast respect for. And I love him as a friend and vice versa. I do feel bad that things did not work out for us. He is a good man and has remarried and has two step children. His mother supported me in the divorce. No one knew how I endured it as long as I did. Suffice it to say that your subjective opinion is not something I can take very seriously. You don’t know my life or what I’ve been through.
    ******

    *******
    His mother supported me in the divorce.
    *******
    There is no love greater than a mother, for her son. Except for her son’s ex-wife. Greater love there.

    Guys need to burn that into their mind.

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  260. Comment,

    I do think you are right that some women would stay, especially if they and their children were facing poverty if they would leave. The ones that have already given up their career have little choice. Only a stupid woman would leave a man purely out of sexual boredom while there are small children, but I don’t feel most of them are leaving for that reason. That would mean that nearly half of the American men are boring lovers to the degree that sex life cannot be improved. It would be sad if that was so, but there are a lot of abusers, alcoholics, drugaddicts and insane people in the world and even more cheaters. I’m positive thay are well represented among couples who divorce.

    What if your daughter was married to a man who abused her, or cheated on her or had a personality disorder, would you not feel compassion for her? Would you tell her to stay with him until her children are grown?

    If you personally had a wife who drank to excess, how would you deal with it? What would you do if you no longer lover your wife, or if she confided that she no longer loved you?

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  261. on September 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm Patrick Bateman

    We need to distinguish between alimony and child support. Child support is fine, unless the man has been screwed out of his parental rights. When the mother has custody (either by mutual agreement or justified court order) the father should provide for his children. However, a man should not be required to pay his ex-wife’s living expenses in perpetuity.

    What if your daughter was married to a man who… cheated on her…

    Of the things you listed, this is the only one I wouldn’t mind in a son-in-law. Ideally, my daughter would be too high quality and my son-in-law so in love with her that he would never leave her, but he should be the type of guy who fucks girls on the side.

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  262. “However, a man should not be required to pay his ex-wife’s living expenses in perpetuity.”

    Who said anything about all living expenses being paid in perpetuity? If that is the case in the US, then that is over the top. If the children are bigger and the ex wife has advanced in her career again, or if she remarries, it is not necessary anymore.

    Why would you like a man to cheat on your daughter? Would you also be happy if he brought home an STD for her or an illegimate child? Condoms and birthcontrol pills can and do fail.

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  263. How do you get a little picture in that block by the way?

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  264. on September 3, 2008 at 9:03 pm Patrick Bateman

    Men are often forced to pay alimony to their ex-wives and/or give them half of their wealth.

    Why would you like a man to cheat on your daughter?

    I want my daughters to marry alpha males, and alpha males fuck around.

    Would you also be happy if he brought home an STD for her or an illegimate child?

    Why would you want your children to ride jet skis? Would you also be happy if they got into an accident on the jet ski and died?

    Shit happens, but that’s no reason to forego fun activities, just use your head and be safe about it. Wear a condom when you fuck sluts. Don’t ride your jet ski at top speed near boats, other jet skis, other hazards, etc. Condoms sometimes fail and sometimes some moron in a speed boat knocks into a jet skier. Shit happens. Be safe but don’t let your worries prevent your from leading a happy life.

    How do you get a little picture in that block by the way?

    I have a wordpress account.

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  265. I guess it all depends on what you want and what your vows are. I’d never feel comfortable with a man who was sleeping with others but to each his own.

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  266. Patrick Bateman 262–

    “We need to distinguish between alimony and child support. Child support is fine, unless the man has been screwed out of his parental rights.”

    Yeah I agree, mostly.

    But child support in American divorce law today isn’t just child support but also and even largely alimony, especially for professional (upper middle class) men on up.

    Under child support formulas “child support” for two children takes 30-40% of his after tax income (it isn’t deductible for him or taxable for her, unlike declared alimony), depending on how much he makes (after tax % goes up) and the state. That’s HUGE. It’s outrageous.

    “Of the things you listed, this is the only one I wouldn’t mind in a son-in-law. Ideally, my daughter would be too high quality and my son-in-law so in love with her that he would never leave her, but he should be the type of guy who fucks girls on the side.”

    There’s sex / fuck buddy cheating, which comes very naturally to men, esp. alpha men, and there’s full on falling fully in love affair cheating (which comes naturally to most women who cheat, though less if it’s a consensual deal with rules to firebreak deep involvement > love.)

    I don’t think full on falling in love with a woman outside a marriage is ok for an alpha man either. Fuck buddy or even more fortuitous hookup cheating shouldn’t be any big deal. It isn’t so much in cultures, outside the Anglosphere. Our and esp. N.America’s brand of feminism has made it into one of life’s biggest humilations for a woman. Hell, even if the other woman is a paid hooker. (See e.g. the recent Elliot Spitzer shitstorm — though I don’t like Spitzer for other reasons, and yeah there is the hypocracy, but there’s always some reason beyond the sex that the femimoralists come up with to unit hatred against the cheating man.)

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  267. Comment Mothers Love 260–

    “There is no love greater than a mother, for her son. Except for her son’s ex-wife. Greater love there.”

    You’re missing the key factor. The primary factor is grandmotherlyness. Grandmothers have no visitation rights to their offspring. She’s not sure her son is going to have another (genetic) child. Note that this factor channels to tending to want to be on very good terms with the soon to be ex-wife in OUR current American context. It would be completely different for example if the husband automatically got custody, as happens in some countries. It would also be different if the husband had a lot more enforceable child visitation rights, rather than those being so difficult to compel if the ex-wife doesn’t feel like it. Hell, just make it perfectly legal to withhold child support=alimony if the ex-wife bales on sharing the kid with the dad.

    A second reason is indeed the sisterhood. A whole hell of a lot of that though, the parts that could extend so far as a mother siding with her son’s divorcing him wife, is the pervasive anti-male feminist proganda in American TV and other entertainment.

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  268. 262: but he should be the type of guy who fucks girls on the side.

    Then he’s the type of guy who deserves to get taken to the cleaners when he gets caught.

    Also: so glad you’re not my dad!

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  269. Dearest dougjnn,

    Hey, I just got off the phone with my ex-husband. We talked for about 45 minutes. He nearly made me cry with happiness. He’s the best and I am so grateful I had a child with him and not any of the other men I’ve been with. The alimony and child support I got from him was a godsend for me and our daughter. I had physical custody and he had visiting rights. Even he knew that joint custody would only make her miserable as they had developed NO bond due to his workaholism.

    BTW I know the difference between workaholism and a man who is working day and night to create a stable financial environment for his family. Problem with alcoholics or any addictive type personality; if they quit one addiction that nearly kills them, they simply find another one that nearly kills them. Have you heard of rock bottom? Our divorce was rock bottom for him and only a last resort when everything else failed. Why am I telling you this? Because not all divorces can be put into your “husband as getting fucked in the ass” box, while vicious opportunistic slut lives high on the hog.

    I was also dealing with serious health issues. If I could I would get on my knees and kiss the ground my ex-husband walks on for being the man he is (a super beta provider) and for supporting me and our daughter through some rough times and still supporting us with child support for her and emotional support for me. He never complained about the alimony (he was grateful I asked for only half). I think it alleviated his guilt for one thing, as I was severely neglected and lied to as a wife for many years. Enough? LOL Life is Good!

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  270. “Then he’s the type of guy who deserves to get taken to the cleaners when he gets caught.”

    This speaks of the same narcissistic desire to punish random people that the more bitter of the male posters display.

    Sure, people who break their vows or who aren’t a match with their spouse are more likely to be divorced. But that does not mean they need to be punished with divorce or the consequenses thereof.

    America does seem like a culture that promotes an immature, narcissistic attitude.

    Back on topic, Roissy’s list is a pretty good one. I would agree with most points on that list as being good indicators of what makes a girl likely to be a bad girlfriend and wife. If men would keep that list in mind when choosing a wife, there would be less divorce.

    The only ones I find questionable are the dating around and flirting if the couple is not yet exclusive or being intimate. If no promises have been made about anything, you are just getting to know eachother and there is nothing wrong with getting to know more than one person at the time. Flirting comes in all forms, the purely social flirting, like a salesman does is never inappropriate.

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  271. 272 Y.T.

    America does seem like a culture that promotes an immature, narcissistic attitude.

    *cough*cough* Seems to?

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  272. 272 Y.T.

    If no promises have been made about anything, you are just getting to know eachother and there is nothing wrong with getting to know more than one person at the time.

    Of course there is everything wrong with that from most women’s point of view. We don’t even know HOW to date. Most of us just go from one relationship to another. We need to be taught not to be so goddamned exclusive and monogamous. We almost can’t help it! I’m speaking for myself. If I stop at a stop sign and a guy looks over at me, we have basically started a relationship. I’m joking for the most part.

    It’s biology. But I’m going to fight it, if it kills me. I’m having fun here but am also somewhat serious. Add sex to the mix and it’s wedding bells. For me anyway. Even if I don’t want to or expect to be attached, it happens. So I end up avoiding dating altogether. Kinda sucks, but I’m learning. Am reading “What men won’t tell you, but women need to know”. It’s a pretty fluffy book, but has some useful information. Maybe I should just take testosterone. ^_^

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  273. on September 4, 2008 at 12:10 pm Patrick Bateman

    @267 dougjnn

    I agree. I should have added that exception to my post. The level of child support should be reasonable and it certainly should not be more than the man would be paying to raise the child himself, unfortunately, it often is.

    Then he’s the type of guy who deserves to get taken to the cleaners when he gets caught.

    Because the value his wife loses from him sticking his dick in another woman is worth half his wealth. You misandrists deserve to get pancreatic cancer. Whenever I feel the slightest bit of guilt for using a woman, I think of people like you and my guilt is replaced by a desire to crush her dreams.

    Also: so glad you’re not my dad!

    If you had a father like me you might actually be a decent human being.

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  274. 275: Because the value his wife loses from him sticking his dick in another woman is worth half his wealth. You misandrists deserve to get pancreatic cancer. Whenever I feel the slightest bit of guilt for using a woman, I think of people like you and my guilt is replaced by a desire to crush her dreams.

    It’s not about “value”, it’s about breaking your word and reneging on vows. If you perjure yourself there should be consequences. That’s not a radical idea. That you don’t think there should be suggests only that you want to eat your cake and have it too, and death to anyone who stands in the way of your self-indulgence.

    Hey, if you don’t want to abide by the “in sickness & in health, forsaking all others until death do you part” part, then DON’T FUCKING GET MARRIED. It’s as simple as that. If you think it’s OK to hold her to one standard of faithfulness but yourself to another, you deserve whatever shit you stir up. As you sow, so shall you reap.

    If you had a father like me you might actually be a decent human being.

    My father was an alpha the likes of which you can never hope to aspire to be, and he created me in his own image. He honored his agreements at all times, the primary of which was his bond with his wife, whom he honored above all others. That devotion was reciprocated in a way you’ll never experience. You only wish you could be half the man he was, or be worthy of a woman as generous and honorable as his daughter.

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  275. Oh, and it’s not misandry. Any woman who cheats should get raked over the coals, as well. If the laws don’t currently reflect that, that’s not my fault — they would if it were up to me.

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  276. on September 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm Usually Lurking

    America does seem like a culture that promotes an immature, narcissistic attitude.

    You know, I hear people say these kinds of things (i.e. “oh, in America people are always [fill in the blank]”) all the time, and almost never hear someone say this kind of thing about t a place like England. Yet, these familial problems are much worse in England than they are in, say, Missouri or Ohio.

    Why is that?

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  277. on September 4, 2008 at 1:26 pm Usually Lurking

    Hey, if you don’t want to abide by the “in sickness & in health, forsaking all others until death do you part” part, then DON’T FUCKING GET MARRIED. It’s as simple as that.

    Right on! But, when women divorce men (for whatever reason), men get raped in divorce/family court. But that is not true for when men initiate divorce against women (again, regardless of the reason).

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  278. on September 4, 2008 at 1:34 pm Patrick Bateman

    @anon 277

    Your father must have been garbage because his seed produced you. The best you can hope for was that your mother was banging a real alpha on the side and that you are actually his seed.

    It’s not about “value”, it’s about breaking your word and reneging on vows. If you perjure yourself there should be consequences.

    In cases where the wife has not agreed to let her husband fuck around, I agree, but the penalty is often excessive.

    If you think it’s OK to hold her to one standard of faithfulness but yourself to another, you deserve whatever shit you stir up.

    The standards are biological. I expect men to be masculine and women to be feminine. Standards for men and women are different.

    My father was an alpha the likes of which you can never hope to aspire to be, and he created me in his own image. He honored his agreements at all times, the primary of which was his bond with his wife, whom he honored above all others.

    Your father was shit compared to me and my paternal line. I come from a long line of men who took great care of their wives and children. They came from a culture where high status males were expected to keep a mistress and wives accepted this. They honored their agreements, it just so happens that those agreements were different from those made by your beta father.

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  279. “Yet, these familial problems are much worse in England than they are in, say, Missouri or Ohio.

    Why is that?”

    But that is more due to drunkenness than narcissism. 🙂 I’m only half joking, really.

    The desire to punish random people cruelly over something that does not affect you outside of a butterfly effect is not something I have seen among the British and continental Europeans. We, and you, have other problems as societies.
    Just scroll up a few posts to see some examples.

    “Of course there is everything wrong with that from most women’s point of view. We don’t even know HOW to date. Most of us just go from one relationship to another. We need to be taught not to be so goddamned exclusive and monogamous.”

    You can’t truly commit if you don’t know who you are committing to. Instant relationships devalue the meaning of love. Attraction, interest, infatuation and love are all different things, but people can’t keep them apart. Being interested in someone is not enough to let him monopolize your time, infatuation is not enough to base a future on.

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  280. 280: Your father must have been garbage because his seed produced you. The best you can hope for was that your mother was banging a real alpha on the side and that you are actually his seed.

    As I said, he was a real alpha and made me in his image. A pity your children won’t get such a gift.

    Your father was shit compared to me and my paternal line. I come from a long line of men who took great care of their wives and children. They came from a culture where high status males were expected to keep a mistress and wives accepted this. They honored their agreements, it just so happens that those agreements were different from those made by your beta father.

    You just keep on pounding your chest & passing ridiculous judgments on people you don’t know. That’ll make you look valuable! It won’t change the fact that you’re a self-indulgent loser who’ll renege on his word.

    The standards are biological. I expect men to be masculine and women to be feminine. Standards for men and women are different.

    The standard of living up to your promises transcends biology. If you don’t know that, you’ll never be an alpha.

    If you can’t handle the vows, don’t take ’em. If you take ’em and break ’em, you’re a scumbag. That goes for both genders, and should be punished equally.

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  281. Oh, for God’s sake! You chest pounding “alpha’s” make me sick. Go back to the jungle where you belong. x_x

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  282. on September 4, 2008 at 5:39 pm Usually Lurking

    The desire to punish random people cruelly over something that does not affect you outside of a butterfly effect is not something I have seen among the British and continental Europeans.

    Most of my family lives in Europe…trust me, they are no different. The Danish want to punish “out of line” Danes as much as the French or anybody else…we are just bigger.

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  283. on September 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm Patrick Bateman

    You just keep on pounding your chest & passing ridiculous judgments on people you don’t know.

    I call them like I see them. From the information you’ve revealed, you are garbage, therefore, the probability that your father is garbage is much greater than if I selected a man at random.

    It won’t change the fact that you’re a self-indulgent loser who’ll renege on his word.

    I almost never feel shame and I rarely feel guilt, but the few times in my life that I have failed to keep my promises still weigh on my conscience. If nothing else, I am a man of my word.

    The standard of living up to your promises transcends biology. If you don’t know that, you’ll never be an alpha.

    Can you read? English? I know it’s a difficult language, I had a hard time making the transition to English too, but your comprehension is atrocious. You also fail at argument. I pointed out that these particular standards are biological. You chose to look at a different standard. Fine. I agree that keeping your promises applies equally to men and women. Women should realize that in order to keep a high quality man, she will have to accept that he will not promise to refrain from fucking other women.

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  284. 285: I call them like I see them. From the information you’ve revealed, you are garbage, therefore, the probability that your father is garbage is much greater than if I selected a man at random.

    The only information you have about me is that I think cheaters deserve whatever punishment they bring upon themselves, and that a person’s word should be their bond, regardless of their sex. It bothers you to have it pointed out that cheating on marriage is a form of deal-breaking and as such, indicative of poor character, so you decided to resort to an ad hominem attack.

    All this despite the fact that you conceded the point in a previous post.

    Can you read? English? I know it’s a difficult language, I had a hard time making the transition to English too, but your comprehension is atrocious.

    Funny — I understand perfectly what “forsaking all others until death do you part” means. You’re the one who seems to be having trouble with that.

    If you cheat on your wife, you’re a worthless human being. The same is true for cheating wives. No amount of evo-psych rhetoric will render that false.

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  285. 279: Right on! But, when women divorce men (for whatever reason), men get raped in divorce/family court. But that is not true for when men initiate divorce against women (again, regardless of the reason).

    That depends on your state, to some extent, but it’s true far more often than not. And that’s wrong and unfair, obviously, and should be changed, but that still doesn’t make cheating on a marriage right in any way whatsoever — nor is saying that it’s only cheating if the woman does it; if the man does it, it’s biology.

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  286. on September 4, 2008 at 7:14 pm Patrick Bateman

    @286

    Okay, read this slowly and think about it. It is possible to have a marriage in which one or both partners have sex with other people. If a wife has acquiesced to her husbands womanizing, then he is not cheating by fucking other women. The vows that people make in a ceremony for the benefit of their family, may be different from what they agree to in private. Their private agreement trumps the ceremony.

    The standard that only low quality women and high quality men fuck around is biological. Cheating is failing to meet the fidelity requirements of the relationship and is independent of the biological standard. My girlfriend lets me fuck other women. I was not cheating when I fucked that random chick last week. I would be cheating if I started treating one of those girls like a girlfriend instead of a fuck buddy. I don’t cheat. Cheating is wrong, but your definition of cheating is not universal.

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  287. A high quality girl is good for standing by, sticking with, supporting always, loving fully, defending righteously, and if the timing is right, embracing for life to the exclusion of all others. She is the type of girl who can enthrall you with her words alone. She can make you smile over the phone. She can be far away but feel near. She is often discovered in the unlikeliest places, and her magic is the energy that animates her pretty face, rather than the other way around.

    Hm. I’m all of those things, or rather I used to be for long enough time for my husband, who now has just decided that being married to me is just not his thing anymore. I’m beautiful (so I’m told and men do stare), smart, kind, gentle and devoted to my husband and children. He was my one and only sex partner. We married young. I was very much into for better and for worse, in sickness and in health, till death do us part. I believed he was too. No more. No reason. Just no longer interested in being married to me. A quality girl? What’s the point? Men are scum.

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  288. 288: It is possible to have a marriage in which one or both partners have sex with other people.

    I never said it wasn’t. In fact, I never addressed the whole host of alternative relationship arrangements at all. I used the example of what’s contained in standard marriage vows, which I’ll hazard is what most people think of when they think of The Marriage Contract. I said if you make those vows and betray them, you deserve whatever shit storm that stirs up. If you’d read what I wrote instead of immediately going on the attack, you would’ve picked that up.

    The vows that people make in a ceremony for the benefit of their family, may be different from what they agree to in private. Their private agreement trumps the ceremony.

    So then either they’re not vows but rather a empty dog-and-pony show, or else you’re both liars. That’s the thing about vows: there’s a reason you make them in the context of the ceremony, in front of witnesses.

    Cheating is failing to meet the fidelity requirements of the relationship and is independent of the biological standard

    Yes, so why did you try to divert that assertion with the irrelevant biological standard the first time I made it? You have a choice to control your biological urges or give in to them. That’s an issue of character.

    Cheating is wrong, but your definition of cheating is not universal.

    You rationalize your double standard all you want, but you’re no high-quality man.

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  289. Patrick B.

    You’ve professed to feeling minor, but annoying pangs of guilt when you don’t have time to shower after a fuck buddy session and before seeing your #1. You said that, though your girlfriend “looks the other way” when it comes to you fucking around, that you don’t want to rub her face in it. This tells, me that you are to some degree going against your own beliefs. What you’re saying is that you don’t feel enough guilt to stop fucking other woman, nor does she object enough for you to consider it necessary.

    If your girlfriend is an average enneagram type nine (I think we determined that) then “peace at any price” is her mode of operation. If she is an average nine, she is resistant to both her inner world and outer world to varying degrees. To a nine, maintaining this peace requires a stubborn resistance to their inner world and outer world.

    If she doesn’t truly, deep down, agree with your fucking other women eventually it will manifest as illness or some other type of stubbornness on an unrelated subject, or you may just find her numbing and spacing out in a dissociated way.

    I expect you to disagree with all of this, btw.

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  290. on September 5, 2008 at 12:56 pm Patrick Bateman

    @anon 290
    I never said it wasn’t. In fact, I never addressed the whole host of alternative relationship arrangements at all. I used the example of what’s contained in standard marriage vows, which I’ll hazard is what most people think of when they think of The Marriage Contract. I said if you make those vows and betray them, you deserve whatever shit storm that stirs up. If you’d read what I wrote instead of immediately going on the attack, you would’ve picked that up.

    You assumed I supported cheating the way you define it and you attacked me for it. If you’d read what I wrote instead of immediately going on the attack, you would’ve picked that up.

    So then either they’re not vows but rather a empty dog-and-pony show, or else you’re both liars. That’s the thing about vows: there’s a reason you make them in the context of the ceremony, in front of witnesses.

    We’re getting philosophical here, but all social rituals are fundamentally empty. They are a relic of the time before we became civilized but after we realized we were different from all the other animals. Unfortunately, we are not adapted to this modern environment so social rituals still fill a void in most people. I don’t believe in any gods but I still hold my mom’s hand when they’re saying grace at the dinner table because I know it makes her happy.

    Yes, so why did you try to divert that assertion with the irrelevant biological standard the first time I made it? You have a choice to control your biological urges or give in to them. That’s an issue of character.

    I didn’t, I merely gave the rationale for the different standards that men and women should be held to in a healthy marriage. It’s idiotic to ignore biological urges when they don’t cause harm to anyone.

    You rationalize your double standard all you want, but you’re no high-quality man.

    Garbage like you will never be able to keep a man like me. You’ll be lucky if you even get a beta like your father to stand by your side.

    @sara

    No woman really wants her man to fuck other women, but good women understand that this is always a requirement for keeping an alpha male. If she was a girl I didn’t care about, I wouldn’t give a shit about sticking my dick in her mouth after it has been in another girl’s ass, but I lover her, so I try to hide my womanizing from her. This is perfectly in accord with my beliefs. I believe we should avoid hurting the ones we love and I also believe we should strive for happiness in our daily lives. BTW, She’s an ISFJ.

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  291. PatrickH

    Here’s a link that shows the correlation between Myers-Briggs and enneagram personality types. I would only pay attention to the Riso/Hudson conclusion. They conclude she is a type nine.

    http://www.geocities.com/lifexplore/typecorr.htm
    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeNine.asp

    Nines demonstrate the universal temptation to ignore the disturbing aspects of life and to seek some degree of peace and comfort by “numbing out.” They respond to pain and suffering by attempting to live in a state of premature peacefulness, whether it is in a state of false spiritual attainment, or in more gross denial. More than any other type, Nines demonstrate the tendency to run away from the paradoxes and tensions of life by attempting to transcend them or be seeking find simple and painless solutions to their problems.

    In my opinion your girlfriend is an average type nine. It has nothing whatever to do with your assertion that a good women understand that this is always a requirement for keeping an alpha male.

    You’re just flattering yourself, Peter. You need to wake up, because she is not going to. Her whole fixation is keeping a false sense of peace. Her compliance feeds your ego, nothing more.

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  292. on September 5, 2008 at 6:17 pm Patrick Bateman

    sara

    I doubt all the wives of countless alpha males have the same personality type as my girlfriend, yet they all understood the price of keeping an alpha. Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Spitzer, etc. clearly their wives were not all type nines or ISFJ or whatever, but they all acquiesced to their husband’s womanizing. Now women with my girlfriend’s personality type may have a different method of dealing with this requirement than woman with HIlary Clinton’s personality, but they all deal with it in some way or another. We all make compromises in life, this is one of hers.

    She’s a very high quality girl. She’s smart, fit, attractive and very maternal. She’s the type of girl that makes all her friends jealous. She won’t settle for some beta male chump. She wants an alpha male patriarch who will give her the seed her egg deserves, so she agrees to my requirements and I agree to hers.

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  293. 292: You assumed I supported cheating the way you define it and you attacked me for it. If you’d read what I wrote instead of immediately going on the attack, you would’ve picked that up.

    I said — and you can go back & reread to verify it — that anyone who takes those vows and reneges on them deserves whatever bad things they stir up by doing so. And also that I’m glad you’re not my father (which I’m even gladder about after this exchange, btw.)

    Neither of those things can be even remotely construed as an attack on you. If you had no intention of taking the vows (which I quoted, so it’s not as if you didn’t know what I meant) usually considered traditional, you should have said so. If what I said didn’t apply to you, why did you take it so personally?

    Because, as Sara pointed out, neither you nor your girl are nearly as cool with the cheating thing as you like to claim.

    From there, with no provocation whatsoever, you denigrated me, my character, my father & his character, my mother & her character, and questioned my paternity. I never retaliated in kind. I don’t need to — the fact that you’re engaging in that kind of 7th-grade lashing-out only proves how close all this hits to home, how unimaginative you are, and how little impulse control you possess.

    Garbage like you will never be able to keep a man like me. You’ll be lucky if you even get a beta like your father to stand by your side.

    See? There you go again. And all because I happened to point out that cheating is indicative of low character. The truth hurts, don’t it?

    A quality woman like me would never put up with the kind of shit you dole out, even for the duration of a conversation. I’m basing that on my interactions with you right here: if you’re this rude & unreasonable on the web, you’re not even worth meeting in person.

    Calling strangers mocking, slanderous names when you know absolutely nothing about them is about as far from alpha behavior as you can possibly get. You demonstrate your lack of value with your every post. You’re a childish, insecure bully, and every beta on the planet is a godsend compared to you. You’ve outed yourself as an omega! Good luck with your expensive eventual divorce (I hope she cleans you out and takes the kids!) and good luck with your inevitable anger management classes. Clearly you’re going to need it.

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  294. on September 6, 2008 at 1:24 pm Patrick Bateman

    anon

    Then he’s the type of guy who deserves to get taken to the cleaners when he gets caught.

    You’re telling me you didn’t assume your definition of cheating when you wrote this? Right. This is you attacking first.

    My father was an alpha the likes of which you can never hope to aspire to be, and he created me in his own image. He honored his agreements at all times, the primary of which was his bond with his wife, whom he honored above all others. That devotion was reciprocated in a way you’ll never experience. You only wish you could be half the man he was, or be worthy of a woman as generous and honorable as his daughter.

    You brought your father into this and attacked me. Once you put it out there, I have no qualms about destroying it. If you had not brought up your father and compared me unfavorably to him, I never would have pointed out the obvious deficiencies of his seed.

    If you had no intention of taking the vows (which I quoted, so it’s not as if you didn’t know what I meant) usually considered traditional, you should have said so. If what I said didn’t apply to you, why did you take it so personally?

    And what about the tradition of alpha males fucking around despite the fact that they get married in a church and take those vows? Again, private agreement trumps primitive ritual. I felt attacked because I plan to follow that tradition.

    See? There you go again. And all because I happened to point out that cheating is indicative of low character. The truth hurts, don’t it?

    I never contested your assertion that cheating = low character, only that your definition of cheating is not universal. You are close-minded.

    A quality woman like me would never put up with the kind of shit you dole out, even for the duration of a conversation. I’m basing that on my interactions with you right here: if you’re this rude & unreasonable on the web, you’re not even worth meeting in person.

    You are not a quality woman and clearly know very little about their behavior. I am actually very courteous in person, but I’m no push-over and don’t let fools like you get away with their attacks.

    Good luck with your expensive eventual divorce (I hope she cleans you out and takes the kids!) and good luck with your inevitable anger management classes. Clearly you’re going to need it.

    I’m one of the guys who is ready and able to leave the country with his assets and find gainful employment in any developed country. My assets are safe. I’m not an angry person either. Things that push other people over the edge barely phase me. I don’t really know why, probably because of extremely low neuroticism.
    I hope you get raped by a horse.

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  295. @Emma post 289

    Emma, one fool doesn’t make all men scum. Breaking up isn’t supposed to feel good, and you’d feel bad about it even if he was an angel on earth. He’d be a jerk to you because he hurt you.

    Despite Hollywood and fairy tales, none of us is guaranteed to have a partner just because we’re good people. That’s just not how nature works. Being a decent woman just makes you worth committing to. It doesn’t mean that others will or are obligated to be attracted to you just because you’re good.

    Romantic love is something people are very lucky to find in the forever flavor. In fact, in these times when the idea that they’re missing something by being in a committed relationship, is being hammered into men universally whether it’s true for them or not, it’s a good idea for the more domestically dominant type of woman to basically not plan for any man to stay forever.

    I say this because I’ve seen this played out many times in my own family and others. We’re the type of women who are the queens of our castles, and treat our men like kings. Not every guy can handle that, even though most guys say that’s what they want.

    So if they won’t be realistic, we have to be realistic. We’re all only human, and in order for people to stay together for life, they have to accept that about themselves and others.

    Women like us are rare, and I’d hate to see a domestic goddess get on all fours and eat grass like the sheeple who constantly bleat that all men are scum. This leads women to expect and then demand less of men, and men to expect and demand less of themselves.

    So butch up for the reality, and make sure you have all your ducks in a row, so that in any way aside of sentimental attachment, men can come and go from your life with the least impact on you.

    The reality for us now is that we have to be self supporting, and that guys will come in, stay for awhile, then leave until we and the guys who love us are in our 50’s or so…unless you get lucky and meet that rare but not so rare guy who understands that the best way to get one is to have one. 😉

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  296. 286: You’re telling me you didn’t assume your definition of cheating when you wrote this? Right. This is you attacking first.

    I never attacked you. I simply expressed an opinion that differed from yours. Go back and read, dude — it’s all right there.

    You brought your father into this and attacked me. Once you put it out there, I have no qualms about destroying it. If you had not brought up your father and compared me unfavorably to him, I never would have pointed out the obvious deficiencies of his seed.

    Actually, I never mentioned my father. I simply said I’m glad you’re not my father, and you decided to impugn my character and my parents’ characters on the basis of that.

    GO BACK AND READ IT.

    I never contested your assertion that cheating = low character, only that your definition of cheating is not universal. You are close-minded.

    I said that if you take the vows — which I quoted, so there’d be no misinterpretation — you’re a cheater who deserves what he gets, and that that goes for women, too.

    If you never had any intention of taking such vows, you had ample opportunity to say so instead of making up wildly inaccurate — not to mention irrelevant — accusations about my family.

    But no, you took the low road. Which comes as no surprise.

    You are not a quality woman and clearly know very little about their behavior. I am actually very courteous in person, but I’m no push-over and don’t let fools like you get away with their attacks.

    You know nothing about me, nor about quality women, so your assertions carry no weight whatsoever.

    And again: I expressed an opinion. You’re the one who went on the attack. The ad hominem attack, to be exact.

    Remember, a woman who’ll fudge the truth for your benefit is perfectly capable of fudging the truth for her own. A quality woman who knows her value will never stoop to fleecing a guy, no matter how much he deserves it…but a woman who’s willing to be part of a harem might. You’ll find out.

    I’m one of the guys who is ready and able to leave the country with his assets and find gainful employment in any developed country. My assets are safe. I’m not an angry person either. Things that push other people over the edge barely phase me. I don’t really know why, probably because of extremely low neuroticism.

    I hope you get raped by a horse.

    Yeah, you really seem to have that anger under control, all right! And all I did was express an opinion on a comment board. Just keep hanging yourself with your own rope; it makes for an interesting read.

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  297. on September 6, 2008 at 6:03 pm Patrick Bateman

    @anon

    Let’s put this into simple terms you might actually be able to grasp

    You wrote that people who do X deserve bad thing Y to happen to them. I do X, therefore that was an attack on me. Later you wrote people who do Z deserve bad things to happen to them, but our definitions of Z differ, fine. For you X = Z, but for me X != Z.

    You wrote that you were glad I was not your father. I wrote that you would be a better person if you had a father like me. Then, you compared me negatively to your father. See the chain? The first place your father explicitly came up was in a comment you wrote.

    GO BACK AND READ IT.

    I never impugned your mother’s character. I wrote that you could hope that you were the product of her cheating, not that she actually did such a thing.

    I do not have a harem. My “relationships” with other women are brief. Sometimes I have a #2 that I keep around for a couple of months, but that’s about as long as it’ll go. They are not my girlfriends. The only one that matters is my girlfriend.

    You assume anger must precede contempt and ill wishes. Clearly, you do not have your emotions under control. Though I rarely feel anger, I recognize when others seek to destroy value for me and I adjust my actions accordingly. For an insignificant person such as you, I am merely satisfied to know that you will remain what you are, nothing. I hope for bad things to happen to you, but it does not really matter to me. When someone actually has the ability to keep me from what I value, I either win them over or destroy them. Very little emotion is involved, it’s just a survival instinct.

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  298. 299: You wrote that you were glad I was not your father. I wrote that you would be a better person if you had a father like me.

    Which is a weak attack on both myself and my father, since you a) have no idea what kind of person I am, and b) have no idea what kind of person he was. So I informed you about what kind of person he was. And thus it went, with you pointlessly maligning, instead of, you know, actually addressing the point.

    Chatter on, son, chatter on.

    You assume anger must precede contempt and ill wishes. Clearly, you do not have your emotions under control. Though I rarely feel anger, I recognize when others seek to destroy value for me and I adjust my actions accordingly. For an insignificant person such as you, I am merely satisfied to know that you will remain what you are, nothing. I hope for bad things to happen to you, but it does not really matter to me. When someone actually has the ability to keep me from what I value, I either win them over or destroy them. Very little emotion is involved, it’s just a survival instinct.

    For someone who claims to feel no anger, you’ve been surprisingly negative towards a mere “nobody” like me, with no justification other than you don’t like people disagreeing with you. Or knowing the definition of “vow” better than you do.

    You are unintentionally hilarious. Really, good luck with the vow-breaking. I hope you get everything in life that you deserve.

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  309. Why would a man want to even waste his time on a women that fools around? Each time you have sex with a woman you are risking becoming a father. You use protection? Guess what? I have met quite a few condom babies.Would you REALLY want a lose women to raise your offspring?It breaks my heart to see so many women giving themselves away. I ask they why they do this? The answer is ALWAYS the same. He says I am beautiful!My husband,boyfriend etc NEVER sats that to me. I then state but I always tell you these things. I don’t count because I am a women.
    I am NOT a prude. I value myself as a women and am really confused as to why so many of my fellow sisters devalue themselves. I love Alpha men that ARE men and that know HOW to treat a lady. I ENJOY being a homemaker.I LOVE to meet people and believe the glass is half full. It appears I may be too Pollyanna in a Lady Gaga world. Oh well at least I am happy and proud of who I am and my place in this world.
    Remember if you want a quality women you must step up to the plate and be a quality man.I love it when a man opens a door for a women or helps her out of her coat. It is also nice to see ladies that know how to say please and thank you. Manners and charm and class can work wonders.

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