Reader Mailbag: Cheap Labor Edition

Email #1:

My girlfriend is “good friends” with two guys she’s banged in the past, one in the last six months. They were “friends first,” and then she banged them, probably during a dry spell.

She’s totally into me, no doubt. I am relationship gaming this chick. I want to avoid beta bullshit with her two “friends.”

What to do?

A.

Huge, unfurled red flags snapping in a strong northerly wind. Why do women remain “good friends” with men they’ve previously banged? We know the men couldn’t have been hopeless betas, because she did spread for them. Therefore, we can presume this isn’t a situation involving cloying, celibate beta orbiters with no game. So we are left with these main reasons:

  1. She likes that they have this “shared past”. This makes the friendship more taboo, and hence, exciting for her, even if she does not feel especially attracted to them.
  2. These two guys are low investing alphas that she screwed for pleasure but decided against seeing in a relationship because they were the love em and leave em type. She continues the friendship because she likes the horny feelings she gets while enjoying the pleasure of their quasi-platonic company.
  3. The two guys really are losers and she pity banged them, or sport fucked them during, as the emailer said, a dry spell.

None of these three reasons bode well for your LTR with her. If (1), she is a taboo junkie, and will likely cheat. If (2), she is a cock carouseler, and will likely cheat during her next ovulatory phase (preferably after she has ensnared you in marriage). If (3), she is an undiscriminating slut who will cheat on the flimsiest pretext.

“Good” friendships with past lovers is a no-go. No man should accept that in his LTR. Since there is a small chance she really does love you and isn’t cheating on you with these two guys, or thinking about cheating on you, avoid any unnecessary LTR-killing confrontations by first snooping through her stuff for any evidence she may be “taking it up a notch” with her two man friends. Expect to find such evidence. Quietly pack your stuff in the middle of the night, and tape the evidence to her fridge door for her to find in the morning. Delete her phone number and block her calls.

If you don’t care about potentially soiling the LTR with a powerful ultimatum, confront her with your demand that she cease seeing the two past lovers. Tell her this is non-negotiable if she wants to continue being with you. Watch her reaction closely.

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Email #2:

Hello Chateau proprietors I’m looking for some help. I learned of your blog less than a week ago and as the despondent lonely beta worthlessness I am I had a lot of free time to read it. I find it interesting, and intend to certainly start working on my game (Currently 0 for 3 in my entire life, all of them  friendzoned) but I need a little help. I am an intelligent, nerdy guy, not bad looking (no glasses or bad looking hair), a little overweight,  The market value assessment yields ~-4 points. I’m looking to overcome this beta-ness and become at least a mediocre alpha male (My goal is simply to get a non-negligible amount of vag) The problem is I notice almost all of your game advice is for the club/bar setting and not for day game. I am only 18 years old at the moment so I can’t exactly go to clubs/bars to play the game. I need help on day game for the college environment (also I know dog parks are a good place, I take my dogs there which could be a good spot).

Any advice you can yield would be great. Or even suggestions to other information more applicable to day/college game than club game which you seem to focus on.

A Chateau host recently had to dog-sit for a friend. The dog was pudgy and adorable, with big wet brown eyes. This host commented that he could not believe how many women strode up and opened him cold. If he had wanted, he could have secured the digits of multiple hot babes, all within an hour of outdoor “day gaming”.

If you don’t have access to a non-ghetto dog, don’t worry. With day game, just getting a conversation started is a DHV. Most men are afraid to open women when the sun is out. We here at the Chateau actually don’t focus on club game at all. Most of the advice is generalized and can apply in all sorts of situations. In many ways, day game is simpler than bar game, because women will be surprised you are talking to them. They won’t have bitch shields to lower.

On campus, a great place to open cute nerd girls is the library. Think of a quirky funny line and use it liberally on any girl standing next to book shelves. “Excuse me… I must be in the wrong section. Do you know where I can find the section on dating tips for badboys?” Similarly, I once opened a chick in a B&N by holding up a copy of Bridal Magazine, complaining about the double standard, and asking her where I could find the Groom Magazine.

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Email #3:

This girl I hadn’t slept with yet texted ‘I like you’.

What would’ve been the gina tingle maximizing response? ‘Me too’ sounds awfully beta so I threw it right out the window. ‘I know’ seemed better, but made the inner chump scream when I considered it, which, in hindsight probably made it the best choice, in a somewhat Opposite George way of thinking.

What I actually did was just ignore it. Didn’t get the bang.

Anonymous

“Me too” would have been the second worst response you could have sent. “OMG me too!” would have been the worst. “I know” is good, if overplayed. Ignoring it is the safe bet, as long as you follow up later with a date suggestion. But you said that didn’t work for you.

Better responses:

HER: I like you.

YOU: Damn straight.

YOU: That’s mighty white of you.

YOU: I love you!!!!!11111!!!!!!111!!!!! ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ xoxoxoxoxoxo

YOU: Hell yeah, mothafuckaaaaaaaa!

YOU: gay

YOU: aw… i’m touched. Right… there.

YOU: Flattery will get you everywhere.

YOU: Ok, but next round is still on you.

YOU: fap fap fap

YOU: [insert jerk reply u know u luv]

YOU: Already?

YOU: That’s great kid. What else you got?

YOU: Tell me something I don’t know.

YOU: Don’t tell my girlfriends.

YOU: Do you think you can sweet talk me into bed?

YOU: Bring the movies.

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Email #4:

Bonjour Propriétaire Chateau –

Specific game venue commentary required from His Deviousness on my current workplace situation:

My office complex is now owned by a local University, who decided to move their Graduate programs into two of the four buildings.  The main consequence of this is that there is now a shared cafeteria.  Yes, you read that correctly – myself and 1,000 of my fellow corporate slaves eat alongside a couple hundred 20 – 24-year-old supple grad students.  I’ll leave the specific University nameless, but the graduate programs housed here are nursing, speech therapy and the like, meaning about 90-95% of the students are female.

I’m a decent looking guy, and most days I dress to impress.  However, most of these girls are eating and talking with each other in large groups (5-10 each), which is making it hard for me to approach.

What should I do in this situation?  What are some good openers, and when should they be deployed?  In line paying for my grub seems like a good place, where I can flash some bling and comment on their choice of meal. This is a HUGE untapped resource that I MUST exploit!

Much thanks.

Wow, this is like throwing chum at hungry sharks. The sexual harassment reeducation camp will be filled to brimming. There are many ways to open groups of girls in a corporate cafeteria. I’ll offer a couple suggestions.

YOU: [walking slowly by their table, a serious expression on face] Hey, you guys are new here.

GIRL(S): Yeah.

YOU: Hm. Too bad.

GIRL(S): What does that mean?

YOU: I’d tell ya if there weren’t cameras watching.

YOU: [standing in line to pay] Standing in line to pay for food. It’s like the movies. You’ve got 20 seconds to flirt with me. Annnnd… go!

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Email #5:

Dear Chateau proprietor,

What do you think about writing angry letters to girls that LJBFed you in the past? Please stop me from participating in a blue balls toxic shock initiated beta-ish correspondence expecting to hear what I did wrong from their lips (as you might have suspected my cock has no knowledge of those lips whatsoever).

If they LJBFed you in the past, then you’ve got nothing to lose except your dignity and any future girls that may be friends with them, right? And girls will never give you the real reason why they found you unacceptable to bang, right? Rationalization hamster, right? Ok, so knowing that, here’s what you write (make sure to press down hard on capital letters so that the ink runs a little with your righteous fury):

I had entered into a first date
In the summer of a celibate year
And my boner throbbed for this moment
Only now do I remember it clear
Alright, alright, alright

No more a nerd and no more a beta
I was dating and it whetted my thirst
Until your brain started spilling out friend offers
Only then did I reckon my curse
Alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright

First came your cheek turn when I went for the kiss
Then came your crossed arms and your smile was gone
Your little tingles died on delivery
Woefully taking your desire along
Alright, alright, alright

What can one do when one is a loser
Shamefully saddled with daily fap fests?
All that I wanted was the pleasure of a sex life
So my burden I began to divest
Alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright

Your stupid cat I buried after feeding it foxglove
Your pug was easy, it was drowned in the bath
Your asshole boyfriend fought but was easily bested
Burned his body for incurring my wrath
Alright, alright, alright

And that’s how I came your psycho stalker
To be living so horny and free
Expect that you think that I should be haunted
But at least you didn’t LJBF me
Alright, alright, alright
Alright, alright, alright





Comments


  1. on September 7, 2010 at 1:03 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    Bring Roissy back – this shadow writer bullshit sucks. I like the real deal.

    one star on this one.

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  2. I’ve told guys why they didn’t make the cut, when they asked. I’m a freak though.

    The usual reason was that I was aware they felt they were slumming. They were usually shocked by my honesty.

    Some denied it, but time always revealed that this was true. Funny that none of them thusfar has actually done better than me. They’d swear they can though.

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  3. Bit off topic but interesting- from a peer reviewed study on divorce:

    “…divorce causes the propensity to commit suicide among males to become about two times higher than that among females because of the compensation costs that males are more likely to pay to females.”

    -Source: “The different impacts of socio-economic factors on suicide between males and females” from Applied Economics Letters, Volume 17, Issue 10 July 2010 , pages 1009 – 1012

    That’s sad. So whoever is doing the good work they are doing here, keep it up 🙂

    To men who are getting divorced: Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and South Korea will not extradite nor garner wages if you defect. Canada and most of the EU will.

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  4. ‘Bring Roissy back’

    Yeah.

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  5. I’m curious what people think about this comment at

    http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/its-not-lack-of-game-its-the-experience-gap

    “I’m convinced that 99% of all men aware of game find it impossible to implement, only multiplying their frustration in life.

    I know that’s the case with me.

    I did everything “right”. I have a good job, I own my own house and car. I forecast consequences years ahead for all actions I take. I dress well, and I’m possibly one standard deviation above average in attractiveness. I work out, I have a 401k that I actively manage, I eat right…
    I’m only in my late 20′s to boot.

    I’m the epitome of sensible, and therefore the epitome of boring. Girls can smell my lack of experience from a mile away. They avoid me like the plague, and no amount of game has ever done anything to change this. My wolf suit doesn’t fit, and the sheeps wool seems to be sticking out of the zipper.

    I know dozens of guys like me. Late 20′s, next to no sexual experience. What chance do we have when any given women has 30 times our level of experience? We can’t unlearn 20+ years of programing to a meaningful degree. Our fear shines through any veneer we put up. Fear of breaching personal space, fear of offending others, fear of being different. I remember elementary school so vividly, and it was a beta-male factory. I feel like I have a bar-code on my ass.

    My friends and I, and all men like me are sitting here at work, paying taxes so that others can lead the lives that we wish we could lead. We’re beginning to wonder why we do it.

    As far as women approaching, I would feel perfectly safe in betting my life savings that I will never be approached and pursued by a desirable, low mileage twenty something female looking for the “dad”.

    I still read all this stuff because I feel that it helps keep my eye sharp for signs of when it’s time to go off the grid.

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  6. I’d like to know if Zeets is one of the proprietors. he has not phoned in in a while.

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  7. ‘Bring Roissy back’

    Perhaps for reasons of prudence, spurred by stalinist hysteria of the past winter, the operation restructured to include several proprietors.

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  8. Chaucer – I will condense that person’s comment into two words: “I can’t.” it’s below beta – this kind of noise.

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  9. “Bring Roissy back?” What is this bullshit.

    This post was excellent, especially the first email response. You nailed it with the taboo point.

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  10. ‘Bring Roissy back’

    @roissy: DUDE!!!! you got HACKED!

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  11. Chaucer, I’d feel sorrier for guys like that if I didn’t spend my teens and early twenties when I was cute and thin being ignored or picked on by them for not being popular.

    Sheep get sheared.

    :: shrug ::

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  12. @Chaucer…

    could be a few things. The ones that come to mind are-

    1) You are not approaching enough girls. From what I read, game also includes cutting your losses and knowing who to approach

    2) You are not as good looking as you think you are

    My unsolicited advice (sorry, am female, can’t help it) would be to go after girls that are a sigma below what you usually go for and garner experience. Maybe even a couple of semi long term relationships. Use these girls aspractice so then you can move up to the girls you want. Being with a woman is also an indicator that you are a good mate so more women will approach you then and you can make a switch for someone better.

    Oh god, I felt really bad writing that last sentences.

    You could also move to Asia, Eastern Europe or Southern South America and just wait for chicks to jump on your wang.

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  13. It’s amazing what I know about the world after a year of reading your blog.

    Thanks.

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  14. on September 7, 2010 at 2:18 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Chaucer
    I’m curious what people think about this comment at

    http://omegavirginrevolt.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/its-not-lack-of-game-its-the-experience-gap
    ””””

    Sounds like a bunch of fags. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Just don’t fight it give in.

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  15. on September 7, 2010 at 2:22 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””Wow, this is like throwing chum at hungry sharks. The sexual harassment reeducation camp will be filled to brimming. There are many ways to open groups of girls in a corporate cafeteria. I’ll offer a couple suggestions.”””

    This sounds like someone reading game blogs and trying to help hook up some older guys with younger woman.

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  16. Dream, I disagree about slumming. It won’t do him or the women any good because it’ll just make him feel worse about himself.

    Best is not to try to shoot below what he thinks his level is. It’s better to bring himself up to the level of game necessary for the kind of women he wants.

    Since he seems to be painfully beta or omega, it is highly doubtful that character comes anywhere into play in his mate selection. All a guy who wants a commitment has to do nowadays to get one is say he wants a commitment. Women would be lining up.

    If he hasn’t at least secured a suitable hoe for whom he can pretend to be her retirement plan yet, he needs to be a more conspicious consumer. Flash more cash, but don’t actually buy a girl anything until she puts out.

    That’s money game. Let them know you have money, but just don’t spend it on them unless they earn it.

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  17. First email sounds bogus.

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  18. To Email #1:

    Keep ing Guy friends she has banged = “Lets sleep on the cum stained sheets from these guys”

    If u do it, you are diminished.

    Tailban dont tolerate this, and for good reason.

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  19. @Nicole- slumming it for practice is better than using your hand. The man needs practice with a real woman.

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  20. I should also add the response from “Assman”:

    ——–
    I think game is a total load of shit. That said I don’t think its hard to get laid like W&N says or that you need tonnes of experience. The reason women don’t understand virgins is because they don’t understand how someone could be so fucked up that it would be difficult for them to get laid. The problem is that women don’t understand the damage that modern schooling, society and feminism have done to men. That said most women are right. Men who cannot get laid have real mental problems. Most of them are severely depressed and have low self-esteem. I know that when I wasn’t getting laid this was exactly how I felt.

    The solution though is not to learn Game. Game takes men that are fucked up and just makes them depressed because Game doesn’t work. The solution is for guys to realize they have mental problems and start trying to resolve them. E.g. If your depressed then do more exercise, do yoga/meditation, engage more socially and read the book “Feeling Good”.

    The vast majority of guys who game approach ridiculous numbers of women (>1000 in 1 year) and rarely get laid. They do better than most guys because they at least approach.
    —–

    Game doesn’t work. There are no studies. There is no real way to measure it and there probably never will be. There are probably some effective teachers out there but for the most part game is a load of shit. I am a member of a lair and reading the lair carefully I would estimate that 80% of the guys there are newbies who will maybe last 8 months and then quit. There is a small core of hardcore guys many of which don’t have great results (>3000 approaches and maybe 4-5 lays with different girls). I have never seen someone who was spectacularly successful but there is a tiny minority that is good (>40 girls). Even the hardcore guys get frustrated and depressed. They often lose jobs, friends, family and fail in school after learning the game.

    Depression is endemic. Almost all the guys who have done game get depressed and often severely depressed as a result. This happened to me. It happened to Mystery, Sinn and to almost everybody who tries this.

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  21. @ Chaucer

    After reading this comment there are several things that come to mind:

    “As far as women approaching, I would feel perfectly safe in betting my life savings that I will never be approached and pursued by a desirable, low mileage twenty something female looking for the “dad”.”

    The mindset delineated here is part of the problem. The guy writing this comment is obviously an omega…who is looking to be approached by a desirable, low mileage twentysomthing female. I would say that his expectations are waaaay to high in this regard. Solid game will definitely allow you to date above your station—as in, two or three points above your station. So if you’re an omega (1 – 3 on the physical attractiveness scale) Game will allow you to go from virginity/enforced celibacy, to nailing 3s, 4s and quite possibly even a 5 here and there. That’s really a remarkable improvement.

    “I did everything “right”. I have a good job, I own my own house and car. I forecast consequences years ahead for all actions I take. I dress well, and I’m possibly one standard deviation above average in attractiveness. I work out, I have a 401k that I actively manage, I eat right…
    I’m only in my late 20′s to boot.”

    Stop riding on your accomplishments and job/provider credentials to get pussy. Women view those things as less important these days if only because they have their own jobs and sources of income.

    That said, your job can be a DHV for women—but only in certain circumstances. For instance, I work in finance and went to an Ivy—but I never bring it up in conversation unless she asks first. Instant DHV—but only if she initiates that line of conversation. Having a good job/education is good material, but you can’t just drop it immediately because it will look try-hard and that’s beta.

    Since you can’t bring up your job immediately, this means you are going to have to find some other shit to talk about. This where it helps to have other interests outside of your job or your investments. If you don’t have any, then do this exercise: take 20 minutes and write out 20 things you would do if you find out you were to die in 30 days. Over the next 6 months, get out there and do as many as possible—this will make you a more interesting guy with plenty of shit to talk about.

    “My friends and I, and all men like me are sitting here at work, paying taxes so that others can lead the lives that we wish we could lead. We’re beginning to wonder why we do it.”

    Agree 100 percent here.

    Also, this guy has got to do something to increase initial attraction (the odds that girl will notice you before you open). Workout a few times a week, shower regularly and making sure your clothes fit should take care of this.

    One last thing—and quite possibly the most important: stop fishing in troubled waters. If you’re an omega with shitty social skills then you shouldn’t be gaming chicks in nightclubs or other hotspots. You’ve got to go to where you are most likely find chicks who are either in your league or two or three points above, like I said earlier. Talk to women at a bookstore, star trek convention, astrophysics conference, whatever. Just go where you can actually have some leverage.

    And stop being fucking bitter. Women can smell that shit a mile away—there is no way you will get your stick wet as a bitter man. Being angry at women for being hypergamous makes about as much sense being pissed at guys for being all about the T&A. Don’t get mad, just learn the ropes and then go out and take what’s yours.

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  22. Nicole said…

    I’d feel sorrier for guys like that if I didn’t spend my teens and early twenties when I was cute and thin being ignored or picked on by them for not being popular.

    Nicole, cute and thin girls are not ignored, it is a physical impossibility. Cute and thin girls are popular.

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  23. Zeets aint writer. He never existed. Roissy was allways crappy with the dialouge and had to invent Zeets to make it seem less awkward…which it never did.

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  24. “My girlfriend is “good friends” with two guys she’s banged in the past, one in the last six months. They were “friends first,” and then she banged them, probably during a dry spell.”

    I have only question here: did he know she was friends with these two guys before entering an exclusive relationship with her?

    I have been in exactly this situation with a few girls and there was no way in hell I was committing to them. They were fuck-buddies from the get-go and that’s how it stayed.

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  25. Bring the movies.

    It will never get old.

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  26. Anon. “Nicole, cute and thin girls are not ignored, it is a physical impossibility. Cute and thin girls are popular.”

    Not always. Although not sure of my standing I was (am) thin and had nothing really wrong with my face growing up, however, I remained a virgin long after my choosing and only had one boyfriend before my husband.

    The stereotype is that women with no father figures grow up to be sluts, and while this may be the case, there are also a few of us that go the opposite way. The lack of any man in my life since I was born means I had NO IDEA how to talk to or attract men, or even notice that they were attracted in me. Even now that I have no interest in meeting a new guy I have no idea what to say when approached, or if I am being approached. Men on that level are a completely mystery to me. I am very happy to be married.

    Anyway, I very well could have been in this guy’s shoes. I really really understand what they are going through. I thought I’d be alone forever.

    I am giving this guy advice I should have taken myself. Slum it so that you have experience with the opposite sex. You need to demystify women.

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  27. on September 7, 2010 at 2:46 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’The vast majority of guys who game approach ridiculous numbers of women (>1000 in 1 year) and rarely get laid. They do better than most guys because they at least approach.””””

    Then later on assman actually says he appraoched a 100 times lol

    But yea if what it takes is a thousand approaches to get what you want then what does it matter.

    I used to load over a thousand boxes a day into a truck.

    What is the big deal about a thousand approaches?

    Going from nothing to something.

    Sounds like it works.

    If work told you to do something a thousand times you would have no problem doing it for pay.

    If you want a bitch and it takes a thousand approaches to get one. Then you just have to think is the cost worth it?

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  28. on September 7, 2010 at 2:49 pm Obama is Alpha

    I knew it: There’s an actual PUA writing the PUA advice, and “Roissy” is actually a liberal doing a long-term deep-cover parody of the HBD-tards.

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  29. on September 7, 2010 at 2:51 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””The vast majority of guys who game approach ridiculous numbers of women (>1000 in 1 year) and rarely get laid. They do better than most guys because they at least approach.
    —–

    Game doesn’t work. There are no studies. There is no real way to measure it and there probably never will be. There are probably some effective teachers out there but for the most part game is a load of shit. I
    ”””””

    Read what you wrote and say game doesn’t work while you are posting on a omega virgin blog.

    I mean read for comprehension.

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  30. Dear Roissy,

    Was the victim of a “where do you see us going?” discussion with a lady friend (after two dates no less!).

    Agree & amplify > logic

    Thank you

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  31. on September 7, 2010 at 2:53 pm gunslingergregi

    Already tested it does work.

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  32. @ Chaucer

    “The vast majority of guys who game approach ridiculous numbers of women (>1000 in 1 year) and rarely get laid.”

    This is just straight retarded. After your first 10-15 or so rejections you should begin examining where you are fucking up and start making adjustments or troubleshooting your Game.

    If you are 1) gaming in an environment where the girls should be favorable to you (ie, computer nerds gaming at programmer’s convention or whatever), and 2) your initial attraction isn’t throwing women off and 3) are targeting chicks not more than 2 points above you on the scale, and 4) adjusting your Game as you go along—then it shouldn’t take you more than 50 approaches (give or take) to finally get some traction with women.

    Stop making excuses as to why you suck. Get out there, work hard, take your hits and learn from your mistakes.

    Stop sucking.

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  33. Dream Puppy said…

    Not always. Although not sure of my standing I was (am) thin and had nothing really wrong with my face growing up, however, I remained a virgin long after my choosing

    —-

    Girls with ‘nothing really wrong’ with their faces are plain girls, not cute girls.

    I’ll say it again, thin cute girls are not ignored.

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  34. Anon, maybe back in the 1950’s that was true. In the 1980’s, thin cute girls who didn’t shag the right jocks got called ugly bitches every day, drinks spilled on them in dances, and all sorts of nice ways of letting us know that we were unwanted…or perhaps taken for granted.

    If things are different today, it’s only because so many girls now are busted that you wish you had chicks who look like I used to.

    Fucked up, but that’s the way things go. Treat people like shit long enough and those kinds of people disappear.

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  35. Maybe you’re right and I think I’m cuter than I actually am. However, considering the attractiveness of the people I did end up dating, and the one I married, i would seem to be above average.

    It is not impossible for someone to be so awkward around men in social situations that they do not get approached, or when they do it doesn’t turn out well and they confuse your shyness/awkwardness for disinterest and move on. It *can* happen. I grew up with no men in my family. Flirtation is strange and forward to me.

    I could also be a slag, who knows.

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  36. What are some good openers for chicks who keep glancing at you? Something that is not too overkill- after all if they look at me hundreds of times I can estimate they are already interested enough, right?

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  37. dragnet, you’re comments are consistently excellent. best commenter here. consider starting a blog?

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  38. and bring roissy back. the faux roissys are killing this blog.

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  39. In the [eighties] thin cute girls who didn’t shag the right jocks got called ugly bitches every day, drinks spilled on them in dances, and all sorts of nice ways of letting us know that we were unwanted…or perhaps taken for granted

    Not in my high school. Class of late eighties. If these plain thin girls weren’t ‘wierd,’ which most weren’t, they dated greater-beta guys. Some seemed unready for sex so they had no boyfreinds, and none were abused.

    The ones who shagged the right jock *without* being his girlfriend took a nasty hit to their rep.

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  40. on September 7, 2010 at 3:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Steve
    What are some good openers for chicks who keep glancing at you? Something that is not too overkill- after all if they look at me hundreds of times I can estimate they are already interested enough, right?
    ”””””’

    Use apocolypse opener.

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  41. on September 7, 2010 at 3:21 pm gunslingergregi

    Yea you should always assume the chick is already yours.

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  42. on September 7, 2010 at 3:26 pm gunslingergregi

    You are doing the woman the favor of having your company. So just be friendly have fun with it. Doesn’t matter outcome to extent you can meet more.

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  43. PA, see there…you mentioned the girls who were unready for sex in *high school*.

    What girl is ready to be pumped and dumped in *high school*?

    What you’re saying is basically the same thing I did, which is that if you’re not known to be putting out, you get ignored by the vast majority of guys.

    The only guys in my high school, except for one sweet 12 year old who had a crush on me, who didn’t treat me like the dirt on their shoe or “just a friend” were rebels like me.

    So I guess I was kind of in the weird category, but that’s because the popular or normal category was full of slime and skank. It was an honor to be weird when the most popular girls in your school were burning with herpes.

    So don’t get me wrong. I’m not whining. I’m just saying that sheep get sheared. The reward for being a conformist afraid to move to the left or the right despite the obvious rewards of being a real man or a real woman, is to be just like everybody else not getting laid or getting used up.

    I’m glad to be 40 and a little worn around the edges, but not used up.

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  44. “Since the AO has such potential for generating humorous and humiliating stories, I plan to purchase a small voice recorder that I will hide under my shirt when I do future AO attempts. Then I will post the audio on my blog for your edification” — from 6/19/09

    Did this ever happen? I waited for a bit. I thought that something like this would be taking the blog to the next level.

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  45. Oh boy… Omegas…

    1.Quit whining.

    2. Open your mind, but not so much as to let your brain fall out.

    3. You are a virgin? OK, got some ample cash to burn? Buy a few days at one of the Nevada’s chick farms (http://www.21orover.com/discus/messages/169/62136.html?1283878724). That would accomplish losing your virginity, gaining some fucking experience and demystification of women. Chicks are clean and monitored for STD’s, and it may be one time when you fuck a 7. They are good social workers,won’t try to embarrass you and explain to you things that you may not stumble upon in your lifetime. I have it from a second hand, a former co-worker of mine got via that route, but after I’ve seen his confidence lever rise dramatically and improvement in dating, I trusted him that what he conveyed was true. Even if you had one awkward sexual encounter, it may still prove to be the pivot point in your mating endeavors.

    4. After you return, re-read this blog. Many thing will become much clearer to you.

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  46. That said, the OV needs to get his head out of Hollywood. He needs game, but in order for game to work for him, he has to deprogram. He has to stop looking at it through the filters of Hollywood telling him that love is some kind of magical thing that happens.

    It feels magical, but it’s a quite normal human bonding thing. Some things work to foster bonding, and some things make women run away screaming and slapping their heads like there’s a swarm of bats chasing them. He needs to simply do what works for making the kind of women he wants stick to him.

    …and if that’s the hottest chicks, he’s got to learn how to be the most socially dominant guy in the room.

    …and he won’t get that from slumming. If he doesn’t legitimately like girls who are off the grid/non mainstream then he’s going to do it wrong and end up breaking hearts and trashing his own reputation.

    What he should do with women who aren’t in his preferred attractiveness range is befriend them. Not become their emotional tampon, but get them attracted to him, but put them in *his* friend zone. No harm is done there, and he can learn all he needs to know about women from them. They can vouch for his character because he’ll be known as a benevolent soul lots of girls, nevermind how they look, wish they could have.

    In this, it’s better to be wanted than to be had.

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  47. @Nicole, did you go to a black school? The socialization could have been different.

    Your experience seems different than mine. People were nice to me even though I was awkward with guys.

    Cue dana…..

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  48. Nicole said. “and if that’s the hottest chicks, he’s got to learn how to be the most socially dominant guy in the room.”

    Game is not rohypnol. A guy that is very ugly and fat with no job is not going to get an 8, just because he is socially dominant. He can do better than he otherwise would, but this is not magic.

    Virgin is not getting anything now. I agree about the hookers.

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  49. A few years ago I wrote here that girls have the following high school hierarchy:

    – queen bees
    – coterie
    – wallflowers
    – outcasts

    The queen bees are most popular. They had the first choice of top guys, and made or broke other girls’ standing. They weren’t necessarily always beautiful; but being from upper clas families seemed the common thread.

    The coterie are up there, but got second-pick of most desireable boyfriends. They were gossip foot soldiers.

    Wallflowers are the vast majorith of girls. Most have greater beta boyfriends, with whom they are generally happy, or no boyfriends (frustrated hypergamy, or preference for no sex). Fat girls without personalities that made them targets for one reason or another, were generally left-alone wallflowers.

    There were some very gorgeous girls among wallflowers; they, for some reason, maybe shyness or sexual immaturity, avoided the higher coterie rank.

    The unhappy outcast group was very small, and these girls had it bad. Not sure of the egg/chicken reason regarding their having odd personality, or being picked on.

    My school was nearly all-white, so race was not a factor. Black girls were integrated with wallflower girl cliques (brainy group, if these girls were academically-inclined) or their own black girl groups. Asian girls were all academic-clique wallflowers.

    The one outsider group was “rednecks,” as they were called. Aleso “burnouts” or “metalheads.” They were working class kids who had their own clique, and there was a quiet but unarticulated hostility between them nd the preoopy (majority of the school) groups. These girls were part of this sub-group, wiht the exception of a few exceptionally good looking ones, who socialized with “queen bees.”

    Other than picking on the few “outcast” girls, there were no overt antagonisms at my school.

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  50. No, Dream. I went to a high school on a military base in Italy. Supposedly an example of the coolness of diversity, it was a sick, sad joke.

    I loved southern Italy. For one, the guys weren’t blind. Going to school was like going to prison for 8 hours a day, complete with apparently motherless cretins making everyone else miserable when we were just trying to do our time and get out.

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  51. Agree with Gunslinger on his last point. I think I make about 1000 approaches per year (3 per day). This would include getting near someone and making a remark or a asking a quick question and then bailing if she clearly has no personality.

    A man only needs a few of these 1000 to launch something to the Moon (cue “Fly Me to the Moon”).

    Good gamers quickly realize that, once a good attempt is made, the failure to connect with most women is *not* the man’s own fault. Most hotties have bad characters, at least for the period of time that they’ll be hot.

    Even in Eastern Europe, the vast majority of hotties have miserable characters which I quickly pick up on (cigarette smoking in a female is always a sign that she has huge self-esteem issues and a cue for me to just ask her to be my maid or massagist but not my gf). It takes being friends/lovers with women of high quality character in order to quickly recognize the high number of gorgeous looking women who really do have shit for brains and who are rude as hell to men regardless of whether any given man is Alpha, Beta or Gamma.

    After a summer of dating some great new women, I’ve retained the two LTRs I had going into the season and (with the help of tips learned at this blog) added three others, two of which will have to “wither on the vine” because I will have no time to develop things there. The most important new addition is thirty years younger than I am, a college student in another East European country, a highly intelligent young woman who behaves like she wants to be a good wife despite being a 9+ who would have started riding the carousel if she had learned English and Feminism and moved to the west (she writes to me in her own language which I am learning fast like my life depended on it).

    With the memory of her latest email from today, I left work at 6PM this evening and ate at a cafe. There were two 9s there. One was with a skinny guy and she stared at me as I walked onto the patio. When I looked straight into her eyes and nodded hello, she looked away. When I later sat near her table and, 5 minutes later, asked her and her male partner a good question about local weather patterns, the male answered while she went out of her way to be rude like I didn’t exist. She lit a cigarette. When later I talked again with the male, she continued to act like I didn’t exist. In short, she was scum of the Earth (and she has the body type that will be fat in another 18 months). I didn’t feel too bad. I still felt “warm and fuzzy” because of the email I’d just received from someone superior to her in looks and self-confidence and, likely, IQ.

    The other 9 had a similar bitch shield more common to the USA than to Eastern Europe. She may have been one of those American women like in Eat Pray Love. I didn’t even bother opening her after I purposely stood next to her at the counter to buy a milk shake while the employee females showered me with smiles. She gave off really rude vibes. Later I saw her engrossed in a book while chain smoking (an early 20s woman who chain smokes is 100% likely to be incompatible to me as LTR material). Sure she was “smoking hot” to look at, but so is the one emailing me (the regular girlfriends are no longer super hot to look at). I didn’t bother to open her.

    If I were one of the guys at the blog @Chaucer linked to, I might lament that women were all rude bitches. But I have 5 concurrent LTRs that say otherwise. This amazonian 19 year old college student who writes to me everyday continuously proves that the huge number of rude women who seem to be rejecting my presence and hating me for existing, are not making rational decisions and are certainly not the best women out there.

    QED: Do *not* slum it men. Women without character do not make rational decisions about a man’s looks/status when they decide to be hateful to strangers. You can be ignored/rejected by 15 eights and then a 9 will fall in love with you on first sight. Keep approaching women. Bail on the approach if they light a cigarette or if you get a really bad vibe.

    @Dream Puppy is only correct about the need to slum it for practice if its clear that women of good character are ignoring a given male. A man should be able to figure out whether things are going bad with most women because its his fault or because its a problem with the women he’s approaching.

    It is sadly the norm that most women will be rude to any man…at least in Eastern Europe its totally normal for rude women to walk around with bitch shields on full power.

    Its not feminism that causes this. Its just that no culture I know of has yet been smart enough to use full scare propaganda to combat the phenomenon of most women being rude in public to absolutely every man no matter what his status is.

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  52. @ spinaroonie

    I’ve been asked this before…unfortunately there is just no way I could invest the time right now to do as good a job as I would want to.

    I also comment a fair amount at Obsidian’s blog and at hookingupsmart.com.

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  53. Dream says, “A guy that is very ugly and fat with no job is not going to get an 8, just because he is socially dominant.”

    I have seen things that would belie this statement.

    I’ll see if I can get the guy to let me post some photos of him and his bitches. I suppose he wasn’t actually unemployed, even though he was so officially.

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  54. Jerry, what’s with all the hate for smokers?

    I roll my own and use a cocktail length cigarette holder. Maybe I’m overcompensating for a small ego. 😉

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  55. To men who are getting divorced: Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and South Korea will not extradite nor garner wages if you defect. Canada and most of the EU will.

    I’m not married (nor divorced) but every little bit of info is great. Thank you. I’m going to google search this now.

    BTW, which country in S America are you from, Dreampuppy? Just curious. Is english your second language? If it is, you write well.

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  56. on September 7, 2010 at 4:26 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’Jerry
    Agree with Gunslinger on his last point. I think I make about 1000 approaches per year (3 per day). This would include getting near someone and making a remark or a asking a quick question and then bailing if she clearly has no personality.

    A man only needs a few of these 1000 to launch something to the Moon (cue “Fly Me to the Moon”).
    ””””

    If that is what it takes to live how you want then that is what it takes.

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  57. It may only seem to a man that the majority of women he approaches are rude. A guy could ask 4 friendly women for directions on the street and they will oblige with smiles and he won’t try to number close with them because he already has a full dating schedule. Then he can experience a really rude 9 or 10 and suddenly it feels like *most* women are rude.

    It tends to ruin a man’s day to be treated rudely by even one 9 or 10. He needs to try not to let this shake his confidence and he especially needs to try not to let the experience create a possibly exagerrated impression in his mind that *most* women are rude in public.

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  58. Question: I’m 27, rich with no responsibilities, probably a 7 on the looks scale; I’ve spent most of my time the last couple of years on the computer and as such am disappointed with my love-life. I feel I should be building a legendary harem.

    Should I:

    a) Teach English in Japan?
    b) Become a personal trainer in Vancouver?
    c) Other

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  59. Hi @Nicole

    I realized when I wrote that about smokers that you might be an example of a cool woman who smokes.

    You are in Israel where it might not be an instant turnoff to men.

    Virgins in East Europe tend to advertise themselves as non-smokers and even non-drinkers…even if they aren’t really virgins, aren’t really non-smokers and aren’t really non-drinkers. 😉

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  60. PA, the outcast girls are usually the ones other girls fear may be a threat.

    When someone blends in, and stays in what others view as their “place”, the popular ones usually don’t harass them much. In my case, I didn’t have to do anything but arrive and not try to endear myself to girls I viewed as skank.

    I didn’t even say they were skank. I just avoided them, and probably didn’t respond positively to some nonverbal invitation. They looked like girls I did not want to be around. I sat with the girls who looked non infected and nice.

    …and within hours, I was being called a bitch for saying nothing.

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  61. on September 7, 2010 at 4:40 pm gunslingergregi

    Hire some hos to go scout for you keep playing on computer and just do interviews for auditions for harem.

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  62. haha Mukluk, I live in Vancouver. The truth, both scenarios are equal. Vancouver is 50% asian. Do you know how many japanese girls there are in Vancouver? Korean? Chinese?

    Millions. or should I say ‘mirrions’ (joke)

    either way, it’s the same diff.

    If you’re rich, you may as well buy a house in the exclusive Laguna area of Phuket and play golf every day.

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  63. Jerry, actually smoking could be an indicator of something unpalatable, even in my case. My few vices, I take kind of seriously. By the same, I take my partners seriously. The care with which I roll up is indicative of the care I take with my partners, which nowadays, could be viewed as obsessive.

    It’s not really obsession since I can walk away with the slightest indication of disinterest, and don’t take anyone truly seriously until we’ve been partners for at least 5 years, but it is a level of attachment most people today would view as dysfunctional. I could be advertising, “There is no such thing as casual with me.”

    That could be off putting since I’m not young or hot, and it’s unlikely that at my age, I’ll find many who’d actually want to keep me. The fact that the style is pointedly 50’s probably doesn’t help either.

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  64. @Mukluk

    I’ve been told by women in foreign countries that they consider American or Canadian English teachers to be low status and wouldn’t date them. But for all that, you would get a lot of one on one “dates” that way. Most of these English teachers are left wing Gammas.

    If you can’t clear at least a minimum of $2000 per month abroad, don’t go abroad. Its not hard to get an American company to pay that for you to do remote work.

    I can’t knock the idea of being a personal trainer anymore than I can knock the idea of being a bartender, bouncer or male stripper…its no career but I’ve heard amazing stories about short term advantages in doing such things.

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  65. Tim – Yeah, I know what you’re talking about since I’ve spent a lot of time in Vancouver. As a Canadian, it’s easily the place I’d most like to live if I were to stay here. I suppose the answer is personal trainer in Van, because I need a social life; my people skills used to be pretty polished, but I can feel them deteriorating the past few years. I can always do the Japan thing even in my 40s and get laid like a champ from what I’ve heard.

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  66. Nicole

    Dream, I disagree about slumming. It won’t do him or the women any good because it’ll just make him feel worse about himself.

    Bullcrap. It was good advice. Almost all YOUR advice is from the point of view of your being on the other end of whatever it is.

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  67. @Nicole

    Please give up smoking. Even male smokers don’t want a female partner who smokes. You *will* thank me for saying this after you succeed in quitting and see across-the-board results.

    Michael Douglas is going to die soon because he smoked and drank too much. That’s a shame. I liked the guy a lot.

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  68. Chaucer–

    Dragnet’s advice is pretty good.

    You need to be less nice and more of an asshole at first. You need to learn how to neg.

    As well I’d suggest you target fit good looking older women, say mid or late 30s who are divorced (or cheating). (Though I don’t advocate seducing women into cheating, if they’re in the market it’s you or somebody else.)

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  69. Jerry – The thing is, money’s truly not an issue as I’m really quite financially set. I don’t spend a lot, and I hate working hard, and so I’ve come to the conclusion I don’t want any sort of traditional career. (Most of the “best” careers oblige you to work like a dog, and you’re surrounded by women you’d never ever want to have a relationship with.)

    I do feel I need an occupation because I naturally lean to introversion, and unless I am around people through necessity I just don’t go out of my way to meet anyone.

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  70. @Chaucer

    CONFIDENCE is what you need. THINK positive (not cocky, well if it works go for it), and not self defeating thoughts. Work on your confidence and don’t focus on getting, just BE–have fun. You’ll them!

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  71. @Chaucer

    you’ll get them! persevere.

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  72. Doug, having been on the other end, I can say for certain that it did me absolutely no good to be the donkey.

    The only reason I didn’t commit suicide is because I have a daughter and revenge to live for. If I killed myself, it would just be an ego boost for them.

    I know a Phillipine woman who did try to kill herself because she was a guy’s donkey for five years. She thought the guy loved her and that all was settled, but she wasn’t Jewish and was therefore not good enough.

    Please do not shag women who you think are ugly or otherwise inferior to you.

    This isn’t just because it is a horrible thing for a guy to put himself through, but it can kill a woman. If you don’t want someone’s blood on your hands, don’t fuck with their heart.

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  73. Hey Tim – Do you do PU in Van?

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  74. @Mukluk

    Then my advice would be to go to Japan and be that English teacher, specializing in helping young women prepare for the future. I’ve taken the road of always having a career that involves zero contact with women outside of trade shows. There’s more money in that, which is critical to me for off hours socializing.

    A generation ago, Vancouver BC seemed to me to have a huge feminist bitch quotient second only to Toronto as the worst place for over 25 year old heterosexual men in the entire world. I remember Canada as being a bastion for gays and lesbians where white hetero males over 25 were not welcome.

    I remember being told by young Canadian women when I was 29 that I was too old for them according to their Women’s Studies professor. I haven’t had any desire to visit Canada in the last 20 years.

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  75. @Jerry

    “It tends to ruin a man’s day to be treated rudely by even one 9 or 10.”

    So true, Jerry, but isn’t it rewarding when you ask a 8 or 9 some innocent question (not an opening) and they blush, look down, giggle, play with their hair and smile?

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  76. Nicole

    PA, the outcast girls are usually the ones other girls fear may be a threat.

    More fantasy projection crap. You were an outcast girl and wished you were feared.

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  77. Doug, add yourself to my Facebook or stop talking shit.

    I can’t lie about my past because it’s all on the internet for anybody who wants to know.

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  78. @dream puppy
    To men who are getting divorced: Saudi Arabia, Dubai, and South Korea will not extradite nor garner wages if you defect. Canada and most of the EU will.

    Korea and China are good bets. You can get jobs with American companies there and the laws back home can’t touch you. You can also not report income and there’s no way for the IRS to find out about it. Keep it offshore.
    Wink.

    BTW, learning an Asian language or two and having any credentials at all virtually guarantees a white/black/obviously Western guy a decent job in Asia. Sad, but true.

    There were 53000 Canadians in Korea according to the Canadian consul I spoke to years ago. Only half were teaching English and studying. The rest were doing normal jobs, often in media or marketing or PR or whatever. If you went to Japan, I was told there was a massive American community there. In China, you have to put up with being in a communist dictatorship, but it’s not as bad as that, you can come home, and the government treats foreigners relatively well.

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  79. As others have referenced. Roissy, please get done with your book quickly. The content on the blog has suffered under your stand-in.

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  80. @TIM- I am Peruvian (100% European heritage).

    Yes I am an ESL-er and thank you for the compliment. I do not have an accent however.

    Thanks 2 Doug!

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  81. Dating someone non-ideal (for practice) can get a man stuck in a situation where she’s in love and is expecting marriage and children and it will kill her for him to break up with her.

    Two of my LTRs are sort of like this in that I wouldn’t approach either one of them now except as possible friends.

    I’m sure there are a number of readers of this blog who have learned enough here to be operating at a level well above where they were a year or two ago…and whose LTRs or wives include women whom they wouldn’t have lowered themselves to approach if they’d had the game skills they now have all along.

    Speak up guys. Are you dating or married to a woman now whom you really should be letting down easy but are too scared of hurting her…destroying her dreams? Has this blog contributed to you realizing that you can and will do better (for you) than her?

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  82. Nicole, I don’t get North American high school culture. It was different in my old country. Probably because most people went to one to study rather than socialize. There was also some unwritten rule that you don’t date people from your school, let alone your class. Not many law breakers.

    I was in a general high school (called a “middle” school) and dated girls from art school (aloof, weirdos, lotsa gaming required when not slutty), chemistry school (down to earth, slutty) and textile design (somewhat artsy but not as weird as the arts girls, slutty), conservatory (somewhat aloof, slutty), ballet school (nice bods, often 9s, but high maintenance), and later law school (middle of the road, picked 9, but too conventional and status oriented for my taste) and nursing and medical schools (slutty as hell). There were likely non-slutty girls in those venues, but I have to admit, they were off my radar at the time as my primary directive at that time was getting laid.

    I married one of the artsy weirdos. I wouldn’t normally, dealing with a borderline schizoid ain’t purdy when the time of manifestation is in progress, but she had the figure of a goddess, my resistance was futile, I did not resist at all in fact. 😉

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  83. Jerry, the big question some should be asking though, is can they really do better?

    Lookswise, there’s always a prettier girl out there. Fresh stocks of women turn 18 every day.

    However, if a guy is interested in a long term relationship at all, one has to understand that women don’t stay the same age forever, and neither do men. How many girls do you meet in the club who will ignore your mantits in 20 years, or your colostomy bag in 40 years?

    If you have a stroke in your 60’s, which a lot of apparently healthy guys do, is that 9 going to be there when you’re sexually out of commission or not able to be on top for awhile?

    If you get into a motorcycle accident and have to walk with a cane or end up in a wheelchair, is she going to be there?

    If you’re going to do better, then really do better. Don’t get beta-ized into being blinded by the pretty and forgetting about the loyal.

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  84. Jerry – You have described my LTR so accurately it’s scary.

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  85. on September 7, 2010 at 5:27 pm gunslingergregi

    Well jerry that is where the truth sets you free.

    You don’t promise anything unless you really mean it or don’t promise anything at all.

    I am in america for a short time but will be leaving.

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  86. on September 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm gunslingergregi

    I am not looking for a relationship I just want to have a good time.

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  87. Chaucer needs a slump buster. Probably several. Go to a bar and find a loud fat chick. Approach her and say as little as possible. Let nature take it’s course.

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  88. Morsellaux, unfortunately, Americans don’t have enough to do in high school, so it is too much socializing, and not enough study.

    I feel for you on the marrying a schizophrenic. It’s not something one can see coming until it comes.

    Too many guys though, marry a woman with way too many issues to start with, and get hooked on being her savior until it destroys them.

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  89. @Anton

    I consider innocent questions to be openings (by my own definition) and, yes, it is worth experiencing several dozen cold bitches to get that one innocent beautiful woman who blushes, flirts or asks where I’m from.

    I have never lowered my standards and gone after less good looking women in the face of rudeness. I will tend to check to see if something is wrong on my end, but my first instinct will always be that its just bad luck in meeting bad women.

    Here’s an example of how I don’t just blindly assume that nothing is wrong on my end:

    I tried this summer to stop dying my buzzcut hair and let it go gray. But I’ve had to surrender on that. Two 19 year old 10s in two days were over the top rude to me on the beach about three weeks ago, so I had to believe it had something to do with the gray hair and not just their bad character (which they most certainly did have – their friends felt I had approached in an acceptable manner). It is important for 18-21 year old women that a man not have gray hair. That TV commercial “No Play for Mr. Gray” sadly has a lot of truth to it, despite the trend I’ve experience that a young woman in an LTR won’t leave a guy who let’s his hair go gray after the relationship is established.

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  90. Jerry

    Dating someone non-ideal (for practice) can get a man stuck in a situation where she’s in love and is expecting marriage and children and it will kill her for him to break up with her.

    One shouldn’t date them for too long to prevent this from legitimately happening – as well as to move one and get more practice picking up. This can be hard for betas long in the desert of no vag to do, but it’s the road upwards.

    The Machiavellian route is to start cheating on her knowing it will end the relationship, but she won’t find out immediately. She will at least in some ways think she’s the one that ended it, making it easier for her. This is best and most skillfully done if one has never really promised fidelity to her, but she’s been faithful to you and rather assumes it on you part. If the guy has become alpha enough this can turn some girls into fuck buddies. I personally think that’s a bit unethical to do to non sluts. Also ethically fuck buddies have to be free to search for “Mr. Right” husband. Well, they’ll generally insist on that if they’re at that stage in their life.

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  91. @Chaucer

    Game works. Guaranteed.

    I was once an individual who got “Let´s just be friends” on all my teenage years, just making me feel bad with myself. So bad I decided to completely change roles with society. No more with putting up with bullshit from anyone. I was the one who decided and taking my life wherever I wanted to go.

    Game helped me understand this.

    Try this approach on the next girl you talk to: Tell her that you both will be nice friends. Turn the tables around! Make her think that she does not deserve you. Sit back and enjoy the show.

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  92. on September 7, 2010 at 5:43 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole Chaucer, I’d feel sorrier for guys like that if I didn’t spend my teens and early twenties when I was cute and thin being ignored or picked on by them for not being popular.

    Nicole, guys like that, where would they have gone to find you when you were cute and thin and young?

    Roissy and them can have as much sex as they want. If a woman is a virgin, reasonably healthy, and has sweet disposition, I’m not picky. My friends were horrified at the girl I almost married; only international border visa issues prevented it.

    It seems Roissy and crowd with their “game” can get almost any girl into bed. I want to get a woman before men like Roissy get to her.

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  93. @Nicole

    Interestingly, I am not keeping the two main LTRs going because I am concerned that I will need either of them in case I get cancer, etc. I already lost an LTR to cancer and felt alone in the world. I’ve accepted the idea that all I will *need* is a good nurse and an occasional stripper if I’m dying.

    I keep the LTRs solely because they love me and I simply cannot hurt someone who loves me. Period.

    It helps that one is normally 1000 km away and the other lets her parents enforce an 11PM curfew that keeps her from trying to live with me and allows me to have other women over after 11PM.

    Neither of these women are dumb enough to try to read my mobile phone text log.

    Both pressure hard for marriage, but not enough to even annoy me much.

    Its up to them to wake up. I’ll keep on spooning with one three nights per week and talking long distance with the other an hour or two per week on the phone otherwise.

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  94. Nicole,

    I feel for you on the marrying a schizophrenic. It’s not something one can see coming until it comes.

    Yep, but that is a lifetime away already. I remember the nice things. We did split up amicably after 12 years.

    Too many guys though, marry a woman with way too many issues to start with, and get hooked on being her savior until it destroys them.

    Bolded for emphasis. In fact, I would make it red if possible… let me try… This can’t be emphasized enough.

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  95. @Doug

    American feminists were always easy to release from an LTR. They thought like men and were, therefore, quick to end a relationship on their own if they felt I was getting less interested in giving them oral sex or something.

    Good non-English speaking Russian and East European traditional women don’t want to give up if they sense a man is less interested in sex than he was before. They hold on tighter. They start cooking better meals. They clean the kitchen. They make me stay in love despite my falling out of lust.

    There was a good movie I saw years ago where two women competed for one guy. The better looking woman lost out. When she asked the guy “I can’t believe you chose her over me”, he answered “But you only wanted me. She *needed* me.”

    We guys aren’t repulsed by women who need us. We are drawn to this like moths to a flame, even when it burns us in the form of stopping us from meeting the women we really want to have sex with.

    Feminists are too proud to understand this. They make it so easy to reject them. All you really have to do is make them think they are rejecting you.

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  96. Raise your T!

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  97. on September 7, 2010 at 6:00 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole I didn’t even say they were skank. I just avoided them, and probably didn’t respond positively to some nonverbal invitation. They looked like girls I did not want to be around. I sat with the girls who looked non infected and nice.

    Nifty. I experienced the same thing; so this works for males AND females… A small group of less than a dozen feminist females got me permanently kicked out of a group of about 500 beta males when I used this same strategy. Didn’t help that I had a date who was hotter than everyone in the feminist group.

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  98. For #3:

    [After 20 minutes]

    “cool”

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  99. @ mukuk

    Ironically I used to be personal trainer in downtown vancouver, both world gym and fitness world

    Vancouver sucks so bad for men you can almost taste it, Im only here to do my MBA and sell my condo and leave

    here is good paragraph about vancouver

    wow, let’s stroll down robson street. oh, dont forget that you will be doing it in the rain for 9 months of the year. the rodeo drive of vancouver? have any vancouverite been down rodeo drive? i live in southern california…and let me tell you about high end fashion, style and refinement. take the most ‘sophisticated’ vancouver resident and put him/her beside anyone rolling down rodeo drive and they will look like a hill billy. dont care if you believe me, i have seen it. it’s sad, pathetic and funny all at the same time. vancouver desperately wants to be ‘cosmo’ but doesnt have a F’en clue on what class is. hint: you cant buy class. and you cant buy style. vancouverites look like look like white trash dressed in barely stylish and tasteful last years fashion. now, i am not saying that appearance makes the person…but it does reveal a lot about them now, doesnt it?

    the weather sucks 9 months out of year and when summer does roll out and the girls wear their pretty revealing outfits…you could/would get arrested for looking at them. vancouver women are so emotionally damaged, they are not worth the time to talk to let alone spend a dollar on. what a F’ed up place. trust me, there girls are that pretty in vancouver but most of them are dumpy, pasty white and just plain bitches that are 100% impossible to please

    a vancouver 10 is an LA 5

    I lived in LA in 2007, and West palm beach in 2005 both million times better than blandcouver

    I only stuck it out becuase I became a millionaire in real estate, the minute my condo sells Im gone…. permanently

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  100. Best one:

    “YOU: Don’t tell my girlfriends.”

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  101. on September 7, 2010 at 6:10 pm gunslingergregi

    Go get me one of your friends

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  102. on September 7, 2010 at 6:11 pm gunslingergregi

    I want a three some with you and another straight chick

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  103. to email #1 writer,
    this is not your girlfriend, this is your slut, your prostitute, your mistress, your courtesan.
    taste some alien pussy on the side.

    to email #2 writer,
    hit the gym. buy guns. learn how to fight and kill. you will become alpha.

    to email #3 writer,
    HER: “I like you.”
    YOU: “You havn’t sucked it yet slut!”

    to email #4 writer,
    to hell with sexual harrassment laws, harass every one of them. offer them to sexually pleasure them. if they are horny they won’t refuse it.

    to email #5 writer,
    they are liars by default. dont expect them to respond the right answer. instead, write to her this: “your crotch stinks and will always stink!”

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  104. @me,

    Most of it pretty on the mark as Vancouver goes. However, if you game them early, say 18-19, before they go to college and the feminazi studies prof fucks up their purdy heads, it is not so bad.

    Chicks from small town or rural BC areas respond better and aren’t as princessy bitches, so it is not entirely down to tubes for a bloke that has no chance to skip the ship.

    But compared to EE/Jap/Korea girls, they are all crap.

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  105. HAS anyone here seen Teen Mom yet? This reality show is a microcosm for studying relationships and the power struggles that go along with it.

    Track it down.

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  106. Timothy asks, “Nicole, guys like that, where would they have gone to find you when you were cute and thin and young?
    ….
    It seems Roissy and crowd with their “game” can get almost any girl into bed. I want to get a woman before men like Roissy get to her.”

    We’re lots of places, but we’re not wearing a ton of makeup, showing cleavage except in a one piece bathing suit and maybe not even then, or wearing skirts or shorts above the knee unless in PE class, and maybe not even then.

    We’re in church on Sunday or temple on Shabbes. If our parents were atheists or not too religious, then we’re probably involved in some sort of geek activity like anime conventions.

    Basically, if you see a modest girl, do what every other guy isn’t doing, and speak to her. If you think you might want to keep her, meet her parents.

    The way to a decent girl who’s a virgin or nearly so, is her parents. If you’re a responsible guy with honorable intentions then you’ve got to be alpha enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with her dad and her brothers.

    That’s actually something that will stick with this type all her life. I don’t date guys my bros don’t like. If they don’t like him then for sure, my dad won’t.

    I went astray for a few years, but then realized that I really need men to help me select and filter. The kind of girls you’re looking for are still virgins or have only been with guys in committed relationships because they were surrounded by protective men. Those are the guys you have to measure up to.

    You still need game though. Even a decent woman is still a woman, and this world is full of temptation and lies. To keep her attention beyond “this is a proper husband :: yawn :: ” you have to be the man and behave like someone with options, and not take her crap.

    Just be aware that the religious ones will pressure you into marriage. If you don’t want to make paperwork, you’re going to have a hard time.

    Finding an atheist or agnostic who doesn’t need paperwork and isn’t a feminist is like finding the holy grail.

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  107. @ Me

    Good call on the lack of style here. Have you ever been around for “fashion week”? It’s embarrassing.

    Up until the 1980’s, Vancouver was basically a large logging town. It had gorgeous scenery and was a great place to raise a family. There was also lots to do on a Friday night, if you liked beer parlours.

    Then a million (literally!) asians moved here and all of a sudden we’re supposed to be New York or Paris, simply because of our population density. Well, that didn’t work out as planned, and now it’s still boring but the quality of life has plummeted as well.

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  108. A generation ago, Vancouver BC seemed to me to have a huge feminist bitch quotient second only to Toronto as the worst place for over 25 year old heterosexual men in the entire world. I remember Canada as being a bastion for gays and lesbians where white hetero males over 25 were not welcome.

    Explains all the Canadian dudes in Korea. Explains why the PUA scene emerged in Toronto. A ridiculous number of PUAs
    are from the Toronto area, including Mystery. When the women are so frigid, one needs an evolved set of tactics to break the bitch shield. I’ve heard bad things about Vancouver as well.

    General proxy – the more the liberal the city, the more toxic the dating climate for men.

    However, Ontario’s got an assload of universities. Forget Japan or Vancouver, consider moving to a smaller college town instead – Waterloo, Guelph, Kingston. Lots of hot young ass, favourable ratios and minimal competition from other dudes – most Gen Y dudes are incredibly beta, the locals are mostly hicks as the serious ballers ate in the big cities. As a 27 year old rich dude you’ll clean up.

    Mid-size college town >>> big city.

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  109. @Morsellaux

    not most of it is “on the mark” 100% of it is, the chicks from small towns arent worth it either

    I went to UBC and lived in the dorm over 10 years ago, it was filled with small town girls I think only 2 were good in the entire place vanier residence, and both were taken and even still they werent worth it to “game”… or whatever

    the women are plain like mennonites, they look amish and dumpy, compared to LA and Parts of Florida

    one of the reasons I intend to leave vancouver to get away from the dullness,

    for me vancouver is the 5th place & Ive lived been to 18 countries, vancouver is hell on earth

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  110. If you’re over 32 and she’s under 22, don’t meet the father, at least for six months after the sex starts. Forget the idea of being a man’s man that way. It can and will backfire if you’re much older than she is. Also, older people will know you’re not 35 if you’re really 40. If she’s accepted you as younger than you are, there’s no need to meet anyone in your new girlfriend’s circle who is older and probably more cynical and non-trusting than she is. If you want a harem (MLTR) try to meet as few relatives and friends of any of your girlfriends as possible because any one of them can then see you out with another woman.

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  111. FR:

    Used nuclear option with a cockblock.

    Approach hottie. Her much younger and hotter friend rudely interupts me. I look at her and say “who the fuck is talking to you?” she: omg blah blah, me: shut your mouth you piece of shit before I shut it for you. I then look at the target, scrunch up my face and ask “is this really a friend of yours?” target: blah blah trying to qualify herself and her friend.

    Took target and friend home for a threesome.

    Stupid bitches.

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  112. ^ and then you woke up.

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  113. ASDF, I don’t see the lack of style as a major issue, fashions are coming and going… provided that the girls would be “decent”, with some basic style concepts.

    It is a symptom of a problem. The feminazi mill of UBC results in girls not only with a lack of style, but something of an anti-style. Though somewhat painful to see a potentially pretty young girls wrapped up in this anti-style, it serves a purpose. The girl advertises “I am damaged”.

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  114. on September 7, 2010 at 7:12 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole

    Thank you Nicole, you confirmed and clarified what I’ve been suspecting. And none of it sounds hard or contrary to what I intended to do anyway.

    It feels a bit icky having to go to church or temple. My beliefs are far off the beaten track that they are noticeable, even though I don’t mention or emphasize them. Imagine an Amish guy that was kicked out of his community, then became sorta Jewish.

    Are you available for some personal advising off this forum?

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  115. on September 7, 2010 at 7:18 pm Timothy Webster

    @me

    I’m of Amish herity, and I *LIKE* them plain… not ugly, not fat, but with self-confidence in their looks, casual clothes, no makeup.

    Where do I sign up for these “plain” girls before the University culture corrupts them? Nicole said Church and Temple… that might have been true a while ago but most girls I see in Church and Temple are already sluttified. And very much in denial, and good at hiding it.

    Thank you Roissy, for posting the signs by which I can recognize a slut! Suddenly church girl behavior has become SO transparent. I’m shocked at how naive I was. Amish upbringing really is a poor preparation for today’s world.

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  116. @ASDF

    Then a million (literally!) asians moved here and all of a sudden we’re supposed to be New York or Paris, simply because of our population density. Well, that didn’t work out as planned, and now it’s still boring but the quality of life has plummeted as well.

    I think there’s a lot of resistance in Canada to living in large cities. I detected this frequently when I was there.

    In fact, Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are extremely impressive cities from an international perspective. Canadians should be overjoyed with them. Instead of a nation of towns, you’ve got key international centers and might start to pull way above your weight.

    I’m working on one project among many, a media project with Canadians. My experience is that sectors of your media industry is incredibly professional and almost better than dominating. I would say among the top in the English-speaking world.

    Vancouver, if it was a logging town, is far more important than it ever would have been. Perhaps quality of life has gone down from a town-rural perspective, but let me tell you–

    I’d trade some American urban blights for a Canadian city if we could just move it down here any day.

    Perhaps you don’t appreciate what you have. Canadians seem to whine a lot about problems that don’t exist.

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  117. Timothy, I’m a female, so I make a point of not advising guys outside of a male supervised context. Checks and balances. My rationalization hamster is hog tied in the darkest corner of its cage, with a ballgag in her buck toothed little maw, but she still breathes.

    I can however, help you figure out how to turn your deviant beliefs into something just shy of a cult. I watched my dad do it.

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  118. @ gorbachay

    you’re one goofy out of touch guy

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  119. @Psycho

    Excellent nuclear neg. I wouldn’t have called the cockblocker the name you used but your in-your-face attitude really is what it takes to pass shit tests in many bar situations.

    Variation: 20 year old cockblocker rudely asked me “Sir, what do you want from us?” at a loud nightclub.

    Me: “From you I don’t want anything. From your friend I may want marriage and children so instead of you messing up your friend’s mind before hand, let me see if there’s any chance that she and I will get along. Maybe you can go buy a round of drinks. I’ll have cherry juice.”

    The cockblocker and her friend did a strip tease at my place a few days later.

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  120. @Gorbachev

    These guys are dead-on about Toronto and Vancouver being super anti-male feminist centers.

    It isn’t a case of Canadians not appreciating what they’ve got.

    American women are a lot friendlier than what you’ll generally find in Toronto and Vancouver.

    I’m American and I’ve traveled the world and the misandry of the above two cities was the highest I’ve experienced anywhere in the world. It is pure left wing feminism.

    And the women will proudly and arrogantly tell you they learned to be the way they are via Women’s Studies courses at the universities.

    That said, I had a wickedly beautiful room-mate in one of those towns who was engaged to a beta but couldn’t help but have a torrid affair with me. It wasn’t a total waste to have spent time in Canada.

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  121. Email 1:
    “Good Friends”. I’ve been one. Any man who tolerated me was a fool.

    Email 2:
    One guy suggested prostitutes. Not a good idea. Find someone who will train you to please women and take pleasure in sex. If a working girl, make sure she knows what she’s doing and isn’t just getting the cash. Has to be done right. This might make u for a decade of lost sexual experience. I’d suggest maybe anonymous friends/craigslist/whatever. Some women will do remarkable things for money, I’m told. And most of the ones who do this sort of thing are hot enough. There’s a class of such women in China, who aren’t just prostitutes, that severely beta (omega) men go to. I heard about them, but don’t know enough about how they operate there, and have never heard of anything like that here. But it would be ideal for you.

    Alternative: Lower standards and practice with less attractive women. Depending on how low you go, can be hard. Often doesn’t translate back up because of lower enthusiasm on your part.

    Email 3:

    Bring da Movies!

    Hah.

    Email 4:

    …nursing, speech therapy and the like…

    Holy Shit.

    Gold-plated.


    I’m a decent looking guy, and most days I dress to impress. However, most of these girls are eating and talking with each other in large groups (5-10 each), which is making it hard for me to approach.

    Single out individuals and go for the stragglers. Ingratiate. Let it develop slowly. See them every day. Move into their social circles.

    You need social context to make that work best, no matter what Mystery says.

    YOU: [walking slowly by their table, a serious expression on face] Hey, you guys are new here.

    GIRL(S): Yeah.

    YOU: Hm. Too bad.

    GIRL(S): What does that mean?

    YOU: I’d tell ya if there weren’t cameras watching.

    Weak.

    Be bold and direct. Women love that and are intrigued by it. Stop looking for openers and just jump. Talk in line. Complain about the food. Invite singles to come sit for lunch.

    Standing in line to pay for food. It’s like the movies. You’ve got 20 seconds to flirt with me. Annnnd… go!

    Need to look the part. May not. Depends.

    Email 5:

    Pussy is fungible. Forgive and forget.

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  122. “Vancouver sucks so bad for men you can almost taste it, Im only here to do my MBA and sell my condo and leave”

    When are you selling your condo? The market is dying, just FYI. It’s Miami 2008.

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  123. @Gorbachev

    Memories of Canada: I remember when an undergrad female with tons of friends told me that, at age 29, I would be considered way too old for all of the undergrad women at her school. She called same-age guys “fuckables”.

    Canadians always exaggerate what they think American culture is. They make the best actors in Hollywood because they exaggerate memes so well (Jim Carey, etc).

    So they see American feminists struggling with the concept that men date younger women…and their feminists make no bones about directly declaring older men persona non grata.

    Catherine McKinnon was from Toronto.

    I remember Torontonian feminists exaggerating feminism like there was no tomorrow.

    Or at least they did a generation ago. I wouldn’t have thought to go near that country in the past 20 years. It is the only country that I’ve given the finger to from a departing airplane’s window. I resented the behavior of the women that much after spending a summer working there.

    Russia was 180 degrees the opposite of Canada. It was TOTALLY different, like a breath of fresh air.

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  124. @me

    LA is a chick magnet, so the concentration of higher grade females is a given. That does not mean you won’t find them in Vancouver, but granted, with far less frequency. Fine with me that would be. I know where to look. The problem is the mindset, finding a chick that was not infected by feminism is like looking for a needle in a haystack. They do exist, though.

    Don’t ask me where you find the better class femmes, I have my purely selfish reasons to keep it undisclosed. 😉

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  125. @Me,

    I’m American, and my experience of Canada is oohing and aahing at the shiny clean streets and happy contented people whining about non-problems.

    I don’t live there so I have no idea what it’s actually like, except that apparently your hospitals are 3rd-world and you want 10 years for basic surgery or suchlike. And Alberta is Texas with more snow.

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  126. on September 7, 2010 at 7:40 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole I can however, help you figure out how to turn your deviant beliefs into something just shy of a cult. I watched my dad do it.

    This sounds like a fun project. I’ll be around, and relishing the activity.

    Here is a thought: the alpha males that became the most powerful, didn’t think only of their own dick. They had a circle of dependant betas, and assisted them to get a woman. And then by their managerial/organizational skills, they helped the betas keep their women happy in said relationships.

    Sort of like what these PUA blogs are trying to do… but more effective. Co-creating family and tribe with children, versus casual fucking and avoidance of co-creation. How often do betas have an alpha (their father, or a respectable friend) approach the girls family to begin negotiations? In traditional cultures, almost always.

    Even in traditional cultures, the wishes of the girl were respected. In extreme cases they weren’t. In these extreme cases, it generally turned out bad for everyone.

    Men need to de-atomize and form themselves into tribes. The united communists always beat the pants off the individualistic anarchists, although both were almost identical in their socialist beliefs.

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  127. on September 7, 2010 at 7:41 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole

    Not today though; Rosh Chodesh is starting.

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  128. Jerry,

    Russia was 180 degrees the opposite of Canada. It was TOTALLY different, like a breath of fresh air.

    Or UE/CZ/SK/PL and Baltics. Maybe not 180 degrees in some, but close enough.

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  129. @Jerry,

    Catherine McKinnon was from Toronto.

    Oh my God. That explains a lot.

    But the men there seem to happy. All little industrious worker bees.

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  130. Gorbachev:

    Everything good about Vancouver and Toronto has been done IN SPITE of immigration, not because of it. The ports, the infrastructure, the industry, the cleanliness, and whatever passes for art these days: It is all white (and mostly male, to boot).

    All immigrants do is clog up the roads and hospitals. And cook tasty food, but you don’t need a million of them for that.

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  131. @Tim – if a tribe knows how old you really are, you will be screwed as you age past 35 and still want an 18 year old. Atomization (anonymity) gives men more power to be the fantasy of the young woman. He is what his game and appearance say he is, not what his passport in the hands of the tribe says he is. If you’re under 32, by all means meet fathers and brothers. But know that this behavior may have to come to an abrupt stop as you get into your 30s but your taste in women remains in the 18-24 age range.

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  132. @Timothy,

    Men need to de-atomize and form themselves into tribes. The united communists always beat the pants off the individualistic anarchists, although both were almost identical in their socialist beliefs.

    This sounds like a project.

    A great idea.

    And many of the men I know are handy with a crossbow. Maybe we should form a tribe of Highwaymen. It actually sounds not all that bad.

    Except that the rest of us are armed with shotguns, so it’d be a short experiment.

    But I think your idea is a good one. I remember when I was young the older men were all in groups together, these old American alphas, and they approached the women as a group. “What do you women think about X?”

    “We men are going out.”

    I like it. So long as we get the pussy, it sounds like a very, very good idea.

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  133. Timothy, you may want to try the more hard core Pentecostal or Church of God type places. Look for one where they don’t believe women should wear pants. Nobody goes to that kind of church over the age of 18 unless they really believe in it.

    There’s also a small but growing subset of non traditionally plain Christian women who’ve started wearing bonnets and other head coverings.

    If they’re covering sluttiness then those are some hard core guys pursuing them despite the armored prude shield.

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  134. @ASDF,

    Your experience in Vancouver interests me.

    Do immigrants make for hot chicks?

    I noticed lots of slender white females there, too, more than Toronto. Don’t you people run up and down some mountain for daily sport or something?

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  135. ASDF,

    All immigrants do is clog up the roads

    Aww! My pet peeve… A few days ago, a chinese girl (guess 22-24yo) in a toyota almost ran me over on the street… on her red light! They fucking don’t know how to drive, or are half blind, or something.

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  136. on September 7, 2010 at 8:00 pm nicole's fat ass

    Nicole: Do you have a fucking job you fat piece of worthless shit? Fucking shit you stupid cunt. I come home to read the fucking blog and you have 20 fucking comments on a post that was put up today? Shut your fat fucking turkey neck you sack of shit. Find the fucking tallest building or mountain near your house and jump off of it.

    I am so fucking sick and tired of a fat worthless cunt like you acting like your opinion carries any relevance or matters at all on this site. Nobody is asking how to get old fucking fat fuck ugly ass grandma like you.

    Fuucking dumbass Mrs. Klump looking bitch. Fuck off and lose some weight you piece of shit.

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  137. @MOrsellaux,

    BTW, the Chinese suck balls at driving in China, too. Never rent a car there. You’re either dodging slow-moving unpredictable obstacles or zipping nightmares of death.

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  138. Avoid Pentacostal women at all costs.

    They deliberately try to recruit the most fertile young women overseas with a serious anti-male and anti-sex message.

    I’d have them not just arrested but rounded up and shot for coming to East Europe and prying young women away from their own Orthodox families…filling their brains with crap. Making them hate both local *and* American men while getting them to go off to places like Africa (African men will give more money to the church if they see astonishing looking women missionaries).

    There’s a huge community of EE immigrant Pentacostals in Sacramento that Bush’s people brainwashed and then imported. The young EE women immigrants there are more messed up than any women’s studies grads could ever be.

    I don’t like feminists but I hate Pentacostals.

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  139. Perhaps you don’t appreciate what you have. Canadians seem to whine a lot about problems that don’t exist.

    Canadians are notorious whiners. I won’t deny that. The Quebecois hate everyone. Western Canadians hate ‘the Eastern bastards’ and on and on it goes.

    General proxy – the more the liberal the city, the more toxic the dating climate for men.

    Yes. Girls that live on the outskirts of Vancouver in the neighbouring small towns are fertile; they have children. Girls that live right in the center of the city of Vancouver are all Sex and the City clones. They’re childless, sterile and narcissistic. They look plastic, like mannequins. And they’re filled with hate. Hate that they have to work for a living. Hate that the birth control pill fucks up their fertility. Hate that bad boys never fall in love with them, merely pump and dump them. Hate that they are pressured into botox and derma fillers to keep them looking youthful. Hate hate hate.

    Most of it pretty on the mark as Vancouver goes. However, if you game them early, say 18-19, before they go to college and the feminazi studies prof fucks up their purdy heads, it is not so bad. Chicks from small town or rural BC areas respond better and aren’t as princessy bitches, so it is not entirely down to tubes for a bloke that has no chance to skip the ship. But compared to EE/Jap/Korea girls, they are all crap.

    The Canadian campus is Ground Zero for Women’s Studies. If you love political correctness, if you think gender is a social construct, then Canada is your promised land. The result is a gynocracy; a land with a fertility rate in the negative column. Quite simply, we’re dieing, and the only way to keep the nation alive is mass immigration. This isn’t so bad since Canada has a Singaporean attitude with respect to immigrants: only the high IQ’s get in. So we have floods of people arriving with advanced degrees from Iran, India, China -anywhere- just so long as they have credentials and skills. But ‘white’ Canada is in the process of retreat. Whatever ‘white culture’ is, it is dieing. White girls still feel they are oppressed, even though they graduate in greater numbers from uni and even though stats prove that single women earn more than single men. Doesn’t matter. Equality has not been realized. There will be no sexual intercourse until total equality has been realized, even if it means the extinction of the white race. If this sounds harsh, I guarantee you this is no exaggeration. We really are dieing. The median age of a Canadian right now is 39. By 2050 the median age of a Canadian will be 47. Think about that. 47. People are still fucking in Canada, of course they are. There’s just no marriage and no children.

    I can always do the Japan thing even in my 40s and get laid like a champ from what I’ve heard.

    Yes, young man, you can. I spent eight years (on and off) in SE Asia, but grew tired of it. Pollution, poverty, etc. And too much sex. Yes, it is possible to have so much sex that you’re actually sick of it. I should have gone to NE Asia. But alas, what’s done is done. My best friend teaches english in Korea. There’s no money in it but he swears he’s happy and he’s not coming back to Canada. I can’t blame him; I visited him once and all I saw were thin women. Not a fatty to be seen anywhere.

    Hey Tim – Do you do PU in Van?

    Nope. I’m not interested in anything serious. Not even close. But women don’t separate sex from love. Sex IS love to a woman. I dated a few women but inevitably, most women want something long term. And then she wants to get married. Then she wants a baby. And all the while you’re nothing but a trained seal jumping up and down for a piece of fish. This is gynocracy in action. It’s awfully hard finding a woman who’ll let you come and go through the back door. (of her house). It’s always the same thing with me: she wants my soul, she wants a soul mate, she wants to traverse the corridors of my soul. Bla bla bla…

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  140. @ Gorbachave

    You live in fantasy world

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  141. on September 7, 2010 at 8:17 pm gunslingergregi

    Almost 13000 comments I guess people are pissed or is it pissed on he he he

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  142. Jerry said “They [Pentecostals] deliberately try to recruit the most fertile young women overseas with a serious anti-male and anti-sex message.”

    Not to mention people of those religions have been taught to hate the world and eschew fun and beauty. It is a disgusting religion, derived from a culture and book completely foreign from Western culture.

    I DO NOT LIKE.

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  143. Nicole you are giving some strange advice. Religious women are hard to game for a novice, probably incompatible with him, and weird. And if this VIRGIN can’t talk to some worthless skank at a bar how in the world would he chat up a lady in church?

    Catholic church groups for singles is as far as I’d go.

    I still think Morse’s advice is the best. Demystify women at the Bunny Ranch. Even pay them for non sexual role play. It may cost you but it will be worth it.

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  144. on September 7, 2010 at 8:33 pm Timothy Webster

    @Nicole, @Jerry

    I couldn’t stay away; the chodesh hasn’t started yet, and this is the first time the discussion has started to address my particular issues.

    @Nicole There’s also a small but growing subset of non traditionally plain Christian women who’ve started wearing bonnets and other head coverings.

    That sounds like it. I’ve been seeing this phenomenon, but almost always it is women who have done their stint of child bearing. Where are the 18 year olds who are most likely to get into this later in life?

    The Pentecostal and Church of God women… whew! I like them plain, but Amish style plain. Amish women dress up really nice when they do their hair and go to the right clothing stores. The really hard-core Pentecostal and Church of God women tend to be plain ugly! Also, not too much Church of God activity in my area.

    In the mainstream Pentecostal churches, sluttiness is even greater than average.

    @Gorbachev

    I’m having difficulty telling from your posts if you are male or female. They seem to alternate between posts in gender perspective. No offense meant. Which are you? Also, appreciate your appreciate of the tribe concept. Tribes worked historically, they work today, and we are poorer in the west for having given them up.

    People gave up tribes because they had moral codes that led to behaviors that hurt each other. It was less hurtful to accept a strong central government that was morally permissive. But this blog exists because the moral permissiveness is also hurting people. Lotta men getting frustrated and angry at lack of access to pussy. There is a balance. A group of people with the right code of behavior will increase like a dynamite explosion. People want the best mix of freedom, security, comfort, and pleasure.

    And the Pentecostal women so often think they are “prophetesses” or “have a ministry”. Which tends to mean “no sex” or “I am a leader, a man must support my leadership”. They are susceptible to game, but I don’t even want to game a woman like that.

    @Jerry

    If you are part of the tribe, of course everyone will know how old you are. This stigma about 35 year olds marrying 18 year olds has to go by the wayside. If the tribe can get over it, then great. If a man is 35, make sure he is suitable, same as a man younger than 35. Now, if an outsider 35 year old comes in wanting an 35 year old… the whole tribe will reject him or shit-test him. The more alpha and quality he is, the sooner the tribe will accept him with open arms.

    The idea being, the tribe forms to protect a group of women from outsiders, and governs itself to protect women in the tribe from tribe members themselves.

    If a man is alpha, he can get a younger woman without problem. Noone will say boo. If he is beta, he will need the support of a whole tribe to pull it off. But Betas can’t generally accomplish that.

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  145. Wow, some discouraging replies re: Vancouver. I think Vancouver’s awesome, and I coincidently live in a mid-size college town in Ontario FWIW. I haven’t been overly impressed with the chicks here. Also there’s more to a city than just women, and I find Vancouver to be a much more interesting place culturally.

    Call me crazy but I actually like the climate in Vancouver; winters are absolutely brutal out in Ontario, and the summers are a sauna-fest.

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  146. on September 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm Timothy Webster

    @Dream Puppy

    I’m not a virgin. Divorced, two kids. Married a lesser-alpha woman.

    I don’t mind wierd women. You are right that the religious women are probably incompatible. As for being hard for a novice to game, I’m not worried. Self-confidence and competence show through.

    I could talk to a skank at a bar. Have done it, didn’t let it go anywhere. Not interested. I’ve had a lot of sexual opportunities, but I’m just not interested in a woman sexually until I know she wants my children. But most women, if I don’t stimulate some sexual attraction in them, they walk away fairly quickly. Or they just maintain the friendship and sleep around.

    I want to have children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren all coming home for sukkot because they love gathering together as a family. Are the women I just described, likely to want to participate in such a scenario? If I have to have sex with them first, and I refuse to have sex before commitment, how will I find out?

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  147. on September 7, 2010 at 8:46 pm Timothy Webster

    @Dream Puppy

    I was married to a Catholic already. No Catholic Church singles groups for me. These women already belong to a “tribe”, and it is very opposed to my tribe.

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  148. Dream, if a guy wants virgins nowadays, it’s church, temple, or mosque. You’re not going to find them in any great numbers anywhere else.

    There are born again women who have opted out of the carousel after maybe only one or two heartbreaks, but again, those are in church. Converts to Islam have more community support against backsliding, but once again, we’re talking religious people.

    Most people need a Great Santa who sees them when they’re sleeping, in order to not do harmful things to themselves or others. Very few secular people can see the difference between secularism and feminism.

    If there was a place he could find secular non feminists who saw the logic of not having sex with people you don’t have any real emotional connection to, I’d be living there and sending him a tourist brochure.

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  149. I grieve…Israel used to be that kind of place. It was Jewish, but leaning more secular, and there was some feminism but I hoped the culture was strong enough not to let it go too far.

    It’s gone.

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  150. on September 7, 2010 at 9:22 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lzozlzozlzozlozlzozlzlzlz hey someone’s gotta sum on da chcik and someones gotta scrape da cum off of her lzozzlzlzlzozlzlzozozozo

    “Email #1:

    My girlfriend is “good friends” with two guys she’s banged in the past, one in the last six months. They were “friends first,” and then she banged them, probably during a dry spell.

    She’s totally into me, no doubt. I am relationship gaming this chick. I want to avoid beta bullshit with her two “friends.”

    What to do?

    A.

    just releax and scarpe teh cum off of her and buy her thingsand pay for shitandwhen you are done she will be ready again 2 get cummed on by two new dudeszlzozozlzlzllzz

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  151. on September 7, 2010 at 9:27 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    lozzozlzlzolzlzlzozllzozozozlzlz

    “Hello Chateau proprietors I’m looking for some help. I learned of your blog less than a week ago and as the despondent lonely beta worthlessness I am I had a lot of free time to read it. I find it interesting, and intend to certainly start working on my game (Currently 0 for 3 in my entire life, all of them friendzoned) but I need a little help. I am an intelligent, nerdy guy, not bad looking (no glasses or bad looking hair), a little overweight, The market value assessment yields ~-4 points. I’m looking to overcome this beta-ness and become at least a mediocre alpha male (My goal is simply to get a non-negligible amount of vag) The problem is I notice almost all of your game advice is for the club/bar setting and not for day game. I am only 18 years old at the moment so I can’t exactly go to clubs/bars to play the game. I need help on day game for the college environment (also I know dog parks are a good place, I take my dogs there which could be a good spot).

    Any advice you can yield would be great. Or even suggestions to other information more applicable to day/college game than club game which you seem to focus on.”

    lie about your heaight ()http://www.quotabletuckermax.com/ and tape secrteiev tapings of butthex ithout the girlths ocnthent and woemnz and girls will:

    a) wire you money lotsa fiat hundreds of thousands of bernanke cash like priscilla painton does from sodom and schustser lsozlzozlzlzozlzzlzoz

    b) fuck and suck you
    http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/09/23/i-slept-with-tucker-max-the-internets-biggest/

    c) repeat your lies about your eheight and succeth in the weekly standadth lzozlzozzlzo

    that is whow women think and now taht bernanke/goldamn sax rhymes iwth tucker max funded feminisms we are ruled bnot by god and law but by gina and anuth tingles lzozlzozolzozozozozozlzo

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  152. on September 7, 2010 at 9:28 pm greatbooksformen GBFM

    “This girl I hadn’t slept with yet texted ‘I like you’.

    What would’ve been the gina tingle maximizing response? ‘Me too’ sounds awfully beta so I threw it right out the window. ‘I know’ seemed better, but made the inner chump scream when I considered it, which, in hindsight probably made it the best choice, in a somewhat Opposite George way of thinking.

    What I actually did was just ignore it. Didn’t get the bang.

    Anonymous

    lozozozlzlzloz! can you spell lozlzozlzozlzoz! then fucking text lzozlzoo back!!

    or lotsa cocka 4 me?

    works everyt tiemeemem lzozlz

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  153. @Mukluk

    if you’re not scoring quality poon in your mid-sized college town, you won’t do any better in granola Vancouver. The talent at Laurier/Western/Queen’s is the finest anywhere.

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  154. spinaroonie – Fair enough. I’ll concede it’s possible to get poon here, and even quality poon. I just don’t really like living here that much as a long-term prospect. Harems are hard to build in mid-size cities where everyone seems to know each other, and the population here is less than cosmopolitan. Plus let’s not forget that pesky weather.

    Maybe I should split time between here and Vancouver; my family and friends are mostly in Ontario anyway.

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  155. @me
    You live in fantasy world

    Filled with unicorns and invisible sheep.

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  156. @Timothy,

    @Gorbachev

    I’m having difficulty telling from your posts if you are male or female. They seem to alternate between posts in gender perspective. No offense meant. Which are you? Also, appreciate your appreciate of the tribe concept. Tribes worked historically, they work today, and we are poorer in the west for having given them up.

    Gorbachev – Penis yes. Vagina no.

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  157. College towns?

    Classes just started. Weather is warm. Tons of new girly freshmen desperately trying to stand out in a veritable sea of young female flesh. If only they weren’t Americans….

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  158. Women don’t tend to take the names of Soviet heads of state as screennames.

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  159. @Chaucer
    The only thing that supersedes solid game is desperation reeeking from every pore of a disenfranchised, inexperienced loser. Women smell disingenuity a mile away and avoid it like the plague.

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  160. My 2 cents:

    Never ever date a girl that keeps close friendships with guys that have banged her in the past. That included exes.

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  161. she: i like you
    him: i am unemployed and i live with my parents

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  162. “I am an intelligent, nerdy guy, not bad looking (no glasses or bad looking hair), a little overweight, The market value assessment yields ~-4 points.”

    Not to be too direct, but dude, lose some weight! You’re 18–you can drop that fat like magic compared to some of us older farts! Doesn’t have to happen overnight, just start watching what you eat and hit the gym 2 or 3 times a week. Focus on a year or two time-frame, you can be a physical stud by the time you can hit the bars in a few years. Hell, you’re probably still growing in height, too.

    I’m no alpha king, but losing weight (in my late 30s/early 40s) gave me a HUGE ego boost. Better body + better self opinion=much more desirable.

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  163. 150 comments, and only about 10 actually addressed the content of the post.

    It lacks roissy’s wisdom and characteristc flair. And the advice here is crap.

    Lose the “Chateau” schtick and bring roissy back.

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  164. Queens College colors we are wearing once again
    Spoiled as they are by the battle and the rain

    I forgot that Canadian college towns didn’t have the toxic environments of the big Upper Canada cities. What I said above applied only to Vancouver and Toronto. I gave the finger only to those places.

    Even Victoria BC was great for me. I met a lesbian there but one who wanted to hunt with me and seduce like we were a team. I’d put Vancouver Island at the top of fun places to meet women.

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  165. @ gorbachav

    so you agree? well at least you can enjoy your sheep

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  166. Email #2,
    remember this when you consider agreeing to compromise, ….just
    ……….for the sake
    ………………………….of a liil vag…

    watch this for 20 seconds – to see what your reactoin will be in the middle of your compromise!

    tunacanman hugs…

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  167. on September 8, 2010 at 1:15 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    In response to # 3:

    Her: I like you
    Me: And?

    I have gotten responses from, “and nothing” to “and I want you to fuck me.”

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  168. I spent a summer month in Kingston at age 18. I learned there, for the first time, that my feminist mother and US feminism were completely wrong for having raised me to think that women were equal to men and would act rationally. I learned that game was necessary but still didn’t learn how to conceptualize it.

    The day I arrived a beautiful young student said I could crash at her place and then she walked around with me hand in hand for hours. My feminist-trained brain said that we would get into bed with each other later because that was the obvious conclusion of holding hands after the promise of being able to crash.

    What I didn’t realize was that I had to make a further move to cement things – to close the deal about what was *going* to happen. I didn’t do this.

    When we got back to her shared flat, she found some blankets for me to sleep in a common room.

    I was stunned. I realized that the onus had been on me to make a move beyond holding hands. I realized that women will *not* take responsibility for sorting things out mutually. They expect you to act unilaterally and they are poised to reject if you don’t pull the unwritten orders off properly.

    I then dated a nursing student. Like a woman would do to a man, I quizzed her on the second date about her knowledge of the world. But men are not allowed to do that to women. Anyone who wasn’t raised by a feminist would know that.

    We are supposed to like them for nothing but their looks. I didn’t know that. I thought I was supposed to check out her knowledge. My bad. She told me on the phone later that there would be no third date because I had quizzed her.

    It takes awhile to recover from being raised by a feminist mom.

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  169. I agree that “and?” is the best answer to the text above.

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  170. @Me

    gorbachav

    so you agree? well at least you can enjoy your sheep

    Unicorns and sheep. Can’t go wrong.

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  171. This is the best of all, and it wasn’t even CR’s:

    Her: I like you
    Me: And?

    Accomplishes so many things.

    – Disinterest (but holding out faint hope)
    – Invites an admission
    – Invites an escalation from the other side
    – Is dismissable, and opens opportunities to neg and poke fun

    Also curt and succinct.

    The very soul of game.

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  172. …and within hours, I was being called a bitch for saying nothing.

    Gee, aren’t women just great?

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  173. Roissy – This post is offensive and sexist.

    That being said, offend me harder, deeper, harder, deeper.

    My personal fave:

    HER: I like you**

    YOU: That’s mighty white of you.

    Hi-Lari-osity.

    ** For all you male readers out there: if she really texts you this, she’s not into you at all. Not joking. It’s like a woman patting you on the head (not that head).

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  174. I admired the moment when a gorgeous British teenager tried to tell Simon Cowell “I admit I am trying to butter you up but you still are a very good looking man.”

    He answered “Tell me something I don’t already know” and told her she wasn’t going through to the next round.

    Speaking of the “Cheap Labor Edition”, the New York Beta Times just published this, saying

    “there does seem to be one subset of women who make more money than their male peers. ”In 2008, single, childless women between ages 22 and 30 were earning more than their male counterparts in most U.S. cities, with incomes that were 8% greater on average, according to an analysis of Census Bureau data,” reports the Wall Street Journal.”

    http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/women-who-make-more/

    Neither the article nor the mangina commenters discuss how this supposedly minor subset comprises the critical mass of “suitable marriage years.”

    Its huge that the youngest, most attractive American women tend to make more than men their own age. A mangina there, however, takes up the feminist banner saying the system is still unfair to women.

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  175. Without irony, a woman commenter says that this 8% earning advantage (in the United States) proves that women should delay having babies as long as possible.

    Zero comments discussed where the looks potential might be heading while the 8% earnings advantage is maintained.

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  176. Reason Magazine’s new article “Manliness is Next to Joblessness”:

    http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/06/manliness-is-next-to-joblessne

    There is a link to a feminist’s column where she admits the NYTimes is pro-feminist.

    Stephen Colbert interviews Hanna Rosin who wrote the “End of Men” article in Atlantic Monthly in June:

    http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/312629/june-15-2010/testoster-ruin—hanna-rosin

    Bottom line: All of these articles and videos, and those they link to, basically say that not enough is being done for the ladies (although Rosin does suggest in the video that affirmative action needs to be stopped in cases where unqualified men are being given positions that more qualified women should get, in order to get a gender balance).

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  177. This is depressing. After has-been author Anne Rice quit being a Christian last week, because organized religion is “anti-feminist”, the pro-feminist church denomination United Church of Christ launches a Facebook campaign to get her to join them:

    http://www.facebook.com/like.the.UCC

    She is declining the invitation, showing she has some sense. Read the linked articles.

    But look at the thousands of manginas on Facebook who consider themselves to be part of that evangelical church.

    Anne Rice wrote a great book 40 years ago as a young hippy woman in San Francisco whose very young daughter had just died of leukemia. Since then her writing has deteriorated slowly.

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  178. “Women don’t tend to take the names of Soviet heads of state as screennames.”

    ‘struth, though i have been compared to Stalin quite often, though for other reasons i guess

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  179. Game doesn’t work. There are no studies. There is no real way to measure it and there probably never will be. There are probably some effective teachers out there but for the most part game is a load of shit. I am a member of a lair and reading the lair carefully I would estimate that 80% of the guys there are newbies who will maybe last 8 months and then quit. There is a small core of hardcore guys many of which don’t have great results (>3000 approaches and maybe 4-5 lays with different girls). I have never seen someone who was spectacularly successful but there is a tiny minority that is good (>40 girls). Even the hardcore guys get frustrated and depressed. They often lose jobs, friends, family and fail in school after learning the game.

    What could be some reasons for this? Not good enough looks? Failure to truly internalize pick-up (ie too low fluid intelligence)? Not enough persistence? Poor attention span? Not enough deferred gratification ability? Just speculating here 🙂

    I went to a local PUA meet-up here in Sweden. There were about 12 guys, almost all of them looked like insecure nerds dressed up with dogtags, cheap jewelry and awkward fedora hat. They were also totally uncritical of everyone in PU, which I think is a big favor. I won’t mention names but some of the gurus they were fawning over seem like obvious scam artists to me (which is confirmed on Sinn’s podcast episode 28).

    Depression is endemic. Almost all the guys who have done game get depressed and often severely depressed as a result. This happened to me. It happened to Mystery, Sinn and to almost everybody who tries this.

    Well Sinn seems happy enough now, after he found the whole inner game/self-development thing.

    Speaking of Sinn, here is a guy who opened 10 chicks every day with the same opener for EIGHTEEN MONTHS as a way of learning Game. That’s some insane dedication.

    Sinn, if you are reading this: pleace contact me 🙂

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  180. “Too many guys though, marry a woman with way too many issues to start with, and get hooked on being her savior until it destroys them.”

    So very true. I was’t able to extricate myself from this trend until I was divorced at 31.

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  181. @Tim

    My hooker/skank advice was directed at Chaucer’s post about the virgin.

    So your deal is that you’re a divorcee trying to find a nice girl?

    Are you in America? I really wouldnt know where to look here.

    Miami Beach is a good place to start. Lots of beautiful (they are not indigenous; but usually Southern European), thin girls with a bit of visa issues. Miami Beach is actually a freak show in terms of beauty. EVERYONE is thin and beautiful. Keeps a girl humble.

    They are also more traditional. Stay away from club girls and go for the not as beautiful, but far more loyal waitresses at run down restaurants.

    Also Seattle or wherever else has a high population of Asians (although they tend to absorb the culture pretty quickly).

    If you’re in to Mexicans then you’ll be fine anywhere. As far as anglo American women…I don’t know. You may have to go for a bit older then…….

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  182. Btw I am thinking this could be a good article for my magazine, “20 reasons why 99% of Game neophytes cannot hack the learning curve and drop out” or something like that.

    Anyone who is interested should email me 🙂

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  183. This is the best explanation on why game doesn’t work so well for women:

    http://9gag.com/gag/34445/

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  184. on September 8, 2010 at 9:40 am Anonymouses Anonymous

    @V.A.G.B.

    Maybe if you sent an “I like you” message, but it depends on the situation. If a guy gets it in response to a needy request for her attention, then, yes, it’s the pre-cursor to LJBF. But, if it comes unprovoked, it is an indicator that she is interested, but is not sure the guy will be interested back, so it prevents embarassment.

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  185. To the author of email #2:

    Search youtube for the videos by thesocialengineer (aka Jonathan “T” Sankey of seduceinseconds.com) and succeedatdating (Alex Caulson of succeedatdating.com) to see exactly what to say and the body language to go with it. Both use similar approaches and openers — I’ve used them verbatim with some reasonable success over the past couple weeks of getting started myself.

    Search also “day game two set” for a video by aaactionman (aka Jack Coxwell) for an example of both how to approach two girls at once, and how to handle it when a girl rejects you initially (his other videos are quite good too).

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  186. From one of the sites just recommended, here are 3 important rules for successful day game:

    1) Do not fail to approach the best looking women (this is the easiest part for me)

    2) Talk a lot – Have a lot to say (this needs to be discussed more on this forum because the most talkative guys do the best – a man is only as interesting as his last bout of conversation)

    3) State your intent (that you like something about her other than her looks and you want to see her again) – again this needs to be fleshed out more because many women of whom a man will ask directions, may put up with conversation differing from the original reason to talk with her, will fall back on repeating her direction instructions which can be an intentional or unintentional way of shutting the man down

    I must be slipping because, in the last few weeks, I was caught like a rabbit in headlights when two women I’d asked directions of, quickly moved the conversation back away from my attempt to say “I’m here on a business trip for a few days”, back to the mundane answer to the original request for directions (in Eastern Europe only a minority of women will give a damn that any given male stranger might be American or not).

    If you ask for directions, they may call your bluff and insist on only giving you directions. Its hard to say “Hey, I understand now how to get there but please don’t think you’re being nice to me by repeating directions three times in attempt to avoid asking who I am and why I’m visiting your country”.

    In any event, the days are getting colder and shorter which is really bad for after work day game. One should have already collected numbers like a squirrel during the summer. 😉

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  187. Fertility Deadline……brought to us by the Iranians.

    hey….they created the Dowry and now they added a maturity date to that collateral…like a Bond.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/juggle/2010/09/08/would-you-want-to-know-your-fertility-deadline/

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  188. This is advice I will follow tonight:

    from http://succeedatdating.com/my_favourite_conversation/

    The Supermarket / Grocery Store
    *****************
    YOU: “Hey, can I ask you something? I’m making dinner for a group of friends tonight – all women – and I can’t decide between pasta or fish. What do women prefer?”
    HER: “Pasta, women love pasta.”

    YOU: “Ok great, now I just need a cook. What time are you free?”
    HER: “Hahaha. Sorry, I can’t cook”
    YOU: “Can’t cook? Really? Oh, my mother warned me about women who can’t cook,I probably shouldn’t be talking to you”
    HER: “Hahaha. Why not?”

    I already know how I can improve on that (forgoing $40 to get a hot 18-21 year old used to being at my place by cooking for a corporate event in my kitchen would be well worth the cash layout even if she only ended up being my cook – Europeans are not paranoid like Americans so a male stranger can make the above request seriously)

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  189. whaddya mean:
    bring back the “roissy dood?”

    The girlz seem to like the new guys, and that’s so sweet.

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  190. Jesus, ladies, it’s easy to get your 10-point scale value. Post a picture on hotornot.com for a week and find out. The pretty lies you tell yourself will die quietly. For guys we can find out our looks there, but not necessarily our overall attractiveness since so much is based on personality. You can know right where you stand, right away.

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  191. Myself and me seem to live in different Vancouvers. It is an amazing city, it has its trade off’s like everywhere … but only a bitter person cannot see its charms.

    Perhaps Me’s anger is driven by his lack of success, forcing him to believe it is the environment, rather than his own failures, thus resulting in an escapist fantasy of a south beach millionaire.

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  192. @schmoe- wouldn’t hot or not skew the points based on revealing clothing?

    I have seen some uggos, both men AND women get rated 9s just because they had muscles (men) or showed some tits (women).

    This woman’s official rating is a 9.5: http://p1.hotornot.com/pics/KM/HZ/HS/NQ/KMHUR8KLKVQML.jpg

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  193. Did anyone see the new film “The Virginity Hit”?

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_virginity_hit_2010/pictures

    After age 25, I didn’t like living in a culture where skinny little nerds like this guy get such quality simply for being the same age…while the culture that should be controlled by older males just lets these young guys win.

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  194. Her: I like you

    Me: Get in line…

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  195. “EVERYONE is thin and beautiful. Keeps a girl humble.”

    It wouldn’t really keep you humble if thin wasn’t your top priority. Naturally, I’m somewhat thin, but I didn’t inherit the inability to gain weight from my maternal genes. So, with some effort and calorie-restriction, I can get under 120 (still a C). I always had a desire for “thicker, larger” thighs, but until adulthood, I really couldn’t gain any mass, and my strength levels far exceeded the way I looked.

    I do agree thin and beautiful is better than fat, but the third alternative is muscle. So, the “thin girls” just don’t register on my radar as something to aspire to. (And I’m entirely glad for that) And I think it’s an emerging category (whether it’s based on steroids in the meat supply, which make it easier for girls to gain muscle or some other evolutionary change). This is a tough one for me personally because I need to block out the ideals of my very own mother who threatens me I won’t find a dress to fit one day. I need to remind her often that it’s not 1960 anymore, and many girls aspire to a muscular ideal, not 105 pounds of bone.

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  196. No, Me isn’t imagining things about Vancouver, the feminist and lesbian capital of Canada. And only feminists shame men by pretending feminist and lesbian strongholds are healthy environments for real Alpha males. They’re not. In fact, Alphas are more likely than Betas to see real differences in women according to geography and venue. The complaint comes from the valid assessment of success elsewhere not being easily repeated. Betas and Gammas can’t seriously compare one place with another and so they stay silent.

    The son of the Star Trek actor who played Chekov who committed suicide in Vancouver last spring…he was visiting a lesbian cabaret performer and her female lover at the time. I don’t think anyone has ever learned why he was so despondent but the first thought that came to my mind was how screwed up things were that his “home away from home” was with a 9 who had only an LJBF relationship with him because she was gay (or because he was not Alpha). If I were a Beta from LA visiting her in Vancouver…my brain might short-circuit about how this wasn’t the way life was supposed to be. She was hot but, for him, it was strictly hands off. He hanged himself in Stanley Park for whatever reason.

    Then again, he wasn’t doing so well in LA either.

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  197. Are there at least decent hookers in Vancouver?

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  198. Watching “Machete” now. The Mexican girls in this film are really hot. Its rare for a Hollywood film to feature this kind of quality scenery.

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  199. Vodka and Ground Beef–

    ** For all you male readers out there: if she really texts you this, she’s not into you at all. Not joking. It’s like a woman patting you on the head (not that head).

    What would you know?

    You’re a girl.

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  200. @Jerry
    “It is important for 18-21 year old women that a man not have gray hair.”

    This is social, not biological (worried what her 18-21 friends will say); if on the QT, is a possibility.

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  201. @PA

    “A few years ago I wrote here that girls have the following high school hierarchy:

    – queen bees
    – coterie
    – wallflowers
    – outcasts

    The queen bees are most popular. They had the first choice of top guys, and made or broke other girls’ standing. They weren’t necessarily always beautiful; but being from upper clas families seemed the common thread.”

    Great point, I came from a less-than-middle class family, as my over-educated dad felt the need to work for next to nothing. I was a natural lesser-alpha that made the varsity football team my freshman year and was class president. I however, typically struck out with girls that were not the hottest but were in the queen bee category; luckily, the coterie of hotter girls from middle class families didn’t have the self-aggrandizing attitude that the queen bees held.

    The queen bees are now much more available. These women that were once too good in high school due to their parents expectations for them and brainwashing end up one of two ways, a) super-sluts, or b) heading down the lonely road of solitude. Pulling a girl that may be physically multiple levels above you in the “real-world” can easily be done if she was a queen bee. Chances are though that most of us don’t want the super-sluts, but would happily take a under used hotty that is just now coming to her own out from under the protective wing of her parents.

    Bottom line, is that a girls history is important in gaming them properly. Ex-queen bees from upper class families are ripe for the schalacking with minimal game in either of the two categories they tend to fall into. They eat up the cocky-aloofness with a spoon, and melt too slight power plays such as pulling them into you with one arm wrapped around them with your hand on the small of their back. They need to be controlled as they are just starting to leave their parents control after the college years run out. Enter us – seize this and tap (literally) the market segment you may have missed out in your younger years due to your parents decisions, or natural tendencies.

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  202. @Email #2:

    “Hello Chateau proprietors I’m looking for some help. I learned of your blog less than a week ago and as the despondent lonely beta worthlessness I am I had a lot of free time to read it. I find it interesting, and intend to certainly start working on my game (Currently 0 for 3 in my entire life, all of them friendzoned) but I need a little help. I am an intelligent, nerdy guy, not bad looking (no glasses or bad looking hair), a little overweight … I am only 18 years old at the moment …”

    FIRST read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It is a science book, not a diet book. THEN cut way down on grains and sugar to take those extra inches off your waist. WHILE you are doing that, begin a progressive weight lifting program (e.g. 5 x 5; start light increase slowly), AND read all you can for free about Game.

    Reducing fat and gaining muscle will both improve your Testosterone to Estrogen ratio (abdominal fat manufactures the enzyme that converts T into E).

    In 3 or 4 months, begin going after women 18-28; once in mid 20’s, only younger women. Focus on quality not quantity (one every 1-2 years is good). Promiscuity is genetic; don’t try to be someone you’re not.

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  203. @ Name’s diatribe.

    I meant thin as not fat.

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  204. I second Jeffrey of Troy. Cutting out refined carbs, flour, and sugar really helped me to lose weight. My husband lost 20 pounds with minimal effort with a much higher carb count.

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  205. I realize that “Machete’ makes fun of border patriots but I have to hand it to producers who had great taste in choosing actresses. If that kind of woman was crossing the Mexico-US border all the time, American guys would be there to welcome them and take them home.

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  206. Gun, this one is for ya…

    Top Ten Reasons Why Men Prefer Guns Over Women

    #10 – You can trade an old 44 for a new 22.

    #9 – You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you’re on the road.

    #8 – If you admire a friend’s gun and tell him so, he will probably let you try it out a few times.

    #7 – Your primary gun doesn’t mind if you keep another gun for a backup.

    #6 – Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo.

    #5 – A gun doesn’t take up a lot of closet space.

    #4 – Guns function normally every day of the month.

    #3 – A gun doesn’t ask , “Do these new grips make me look fat?”

    #2 – A gun doesn’t mind if you go to sleep after you use it.

    And the Number One reason Why Men Prefer Guns over women…..

    #1 – You can buy a silencer for a gun!

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  207. “I meant thin as not fat.”

    I was merely discounting the humbling, reality check that you say thin girls on the beach provide. I’ve never looked at someone 20 pounds less than me (or same weight, but less sculpted and muscular) and said, “I wish I looked like that.” I have looked at girls with more muscle (Muscle and Fitness type covergirls, not the pseudo muscular look of the mainstream women’s fitness magazines) and said I’d love to look like that. I’m in a very small minority most likely. I’d need a fitness convention with chicks rippling muscles to feel humbled. The standard thin beach goer doesn’t register for me. (Still props to their effort and maintaining their figures and not being obese or overweight).

    On the beach, I would be humbled and in awe of this (and I’ve thought this way since I was 14):
    http://connect.in.com/bruneau/photos-1-1-1-
    8c06eca87e150cf01fe7ff000b450015.html

    I would be unphased by the girl in pink on the bottom:
    http://www.webwombat.com.au/lifestyle/fashion_beauty/victoria-secret-models.htm

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  208. Gray hair… I am blonde, so I don’t really get my hair gray. Well what’s left of it, that is. 😉
    Decidedly thinner on top…

    Xcept my originally reddish beard, it turned kind of white, not gray, so it is still in the blonde scope. Hehe.

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  209. dream puppy, a few years back I started to getting close to a borderline diabetic. Not that I gained much weight, but felt like a shit all the time and my vision also seemed to go down to tubes.

    I did not quit carbs, though much less grainy stuff was a given. I did quit sugar entirely, only black coffee or tea without it and got pastries only rarely, say once every two months.

    I cook, so I can control what goes in.

    It was a veritable time machine. As if I looped back to 10 years before. Sugar is death.

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  210. Hmm, that link doesn’t work now.

    Basically, any pic of Sharon Bruneau vs. Miranda Kerr. I’d pick to look like the former in every conceivable universe.

    [Editor: She’s a man, baby! Anyhow, what you’d pick is irrelevant to who men would pick. Most men would pick the exquisite Miranda over the roidally buffed Sharon every time.]

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  211. aha I got name and what confused.

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  212. ””Morsellaux””’

    I’d say one improvment of woman though is that I never had a woman accidentally shoot a hole in my computer.

    lol at list. I find a lot of those can actually be compatible both ways he he he

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  213. “aha I got name and what confused.”

    I actually got confused myself too. 4-letter non-descriptive usernames don’t work all that well.

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  214. @DirkJohanson

    Are there at least decent hookers in Vancouver?

    No, only indecent ones. 😉

    Oh! OK, you mean decent looking… not really, if they were at some point, it fades out quickly. They all look like a trash to me, mostly because of drugs abuse.

    But “exotic dancers”, yea, some of them are quite purdy and take “clients” on occasion. I am kinda used to it, so they don’t phase me, but a while ago, one brunette gave me a bonner when frolicking at the pole. She had the obtuse pubic angle. That gets me all the time, must be hard wired into my cerebral cortex, hindbrain or whatever place controls the sex drive.

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  215. ”””””Name
    “aha I got name and what confused.”

    I actually got confused myself too. 4-letter non-descriptive usernames don’t work all that well.
    ”””’
    Or if your trying to be anon apparently they do.

    he he he

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  216. Yea wtf you want to be muscle bound rather than that hot looking woman in pink.

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  217. That man-woman pic is repulsive. Barffffff…

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  218. Actually, I have little idea really. It’s just the way I’ve always thought. (I basically want the muscles without giving up my natural bra size.) Possibly it’s because I wasn’t born super-model height. If I were born 5’10”, my brain would be programmed a bit differently, perhaps. More likely it’s just a bit of my sadist tendencies. Girl A looks that way because of a lifetime commitment to a goal, including endurance and pain. It took her years to get there. Girl B is simply young and doesn’t overeat. Girl A evokes a wisftul feeling. Girl B evokes, “Eh, well, it’s better than being obese.” And I thought this way even when I was in my most fertile years.

    [Editor: Men desire slender, soft feminine women. Men do not desire “hardbodies” with six pack abs and rippling biceps and quads that could crush testicles between them. Not even bodybuilder men desire the big muscled women.]

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  219. Name,
    I know what you mean. Thin, feminine girls are what men find attractive, but it is admirable to be as fit as Sharon.

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  220. @Editor:
    “six pack abs and rippling biceps and quads that could crush testicles between them.”

    lol!!! I’ll remember that line!!hahah!!

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  221. what,
    if it did not concern a very serious potential of injury (crushed testicles) the line would qualify as sheer poetry. LOL

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  222. @Morsellaux
    @what,
    “if it did not concern a very serious potential of injury (crushed testicles) the line would qualify as sheer poetry. LOL”

    AGREE!!! LOL!!!!

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  223. I LOVE humor!

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  224. Name is turning up the heat too high.

    mout

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  225. “Name is turning up the heat too high.”

    Having quads that *could* crush testicles is irrelevant if one has no desire to actually utilize the quads in said manner.

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  226. Morse, I am so happy for you! Sugar really is awful, High Fructose Corn Syrup even worse. Taubes thinks fructose might just be the worst thing out there and I am inclined to agree.

    @Name
    TROLL! Or case of the gays.

    Back to drinking wine 🙂

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  227. Friends with exes according to her = Fuckbuddies.

    That’s all.

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  228. dreampuppy,

    “@Name
    TROLL! Or case of the gays. ”

    There’s a difference between being a troll and being an outlier. And no explanation for my preferred physical ideal is really needed. If most men, find it undesirable, their opinion will remain unchanged regardless of whatever reasons I have for being in a minority.

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  229. On friends with exes:

    You can keep it clean.

    But I was frequently the “ex” that the woman was still – occasionally – sleeping with.

    Even when she had a new BF.

    So allowing your GF to do this is frankly insulting.

    Women often don’t consider this cheating. You see, they already have an emotional connection to the former BF. So “it’s complicated”. They can then justify this by any number of means.

    Trusting women in this situation can rapidly lead to your GF straying. Of course, if you’re doing the same, …

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  230. Just putting past words of you with that picture.

    No it wasn’t the quads capable of being used as nutcrackers he he he

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  231. YOU: I love you!!!!!11111!!!!!!111!!!!! ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ xoxoxoxoxoxo

    Haha! Funniest response ever.

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  232. Gorbachev–

    A gf seeing an ex, one on is generally a total no go. That’s the starting position. Even in a group it’s suspicious if you’re not there the whole time.

    Also there are two kinds of ex’s for girls. 1) the one’s where she left him out of boredom or attraction to another guy and so on (easily the most common situation with hot girls) and 2) the ones where he left her, or she left him because he cheater on her.

    She’s not usually gonna want to see the 1) type again unless there’s some genuine extraneous reason (e.g. work related, school or college reunion). The 2) type are dangerous.

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  233. I’m talking about LTR ex’s for hot girls. Alpha flings if she wants to see him again are also dangerous.

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  234. Her — “I like you.”

    You — “Duh.”

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  235. The Decemberists, dude? I mean, “The Rake’s Song” is very fitting, but still…

    How very SWPL of you.

    http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/30/40-indie-music/

    (No worries though, I love the Decemberists too. :P)

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  236. Damn, I’m late with a question I wanted to ask.

    Do YOU stay “friends” with girls you’ve banged?

    I know I do (albeit with a minority of these girls) – and these girls do have boyfriends, naturally.

    So, is this another case of “it’s a double standard; no one said life was fair”?

    Or do you actually have principles about this?

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  237. Shut the fuck up about Nicole.

    All Game, fucking all of it, is about working a woman’s mind over so we can get what we want. Period. If you can get a woman without engaging her brain then you don’t need Game, you are a natural Alpha. That means you wouldn’t be here reading this.

    Who gives a shit if a commenter isn’t hot? How many hot women are going to tell you the truth about how to get over on them? Only the really stupid ones, which limits your target demographic to stupid sluts, rather than the whole smorgasbord of easy pussy. How many women even understand this shit about themselves? Clearly not many or Game wouldn’t work.

    Stupid motherfuckers, all knowledge is power. Nicole has insights that will help your no-pussy-getting-ass if you are smart enough to listen. Damn.

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  238. @Mukluk – if you got no ties, i would leave Canada altogether. I just returned from stint in the UK which kinda sucked, but the upside is the proximity to all the fine euro babes. Eastern Europe, Baltic States and Scandinavia is a must for any single guy.

    I too am in Canada, Toronto suburb to be exact and I am quite amazed about all this stuff written about Vancouver.
    I think Canada can be alright to game, just not the big cities. Kinda funny there are so many Canucks on this site.

    Gorbachev – are you in Canada?

    Tim – your post was classic.

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  239. on September 9, 2010 at 5:43 pm gunslingergregi

    lol blackwhitenight even has a blog that is funny.

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  240. @Blackwhite Knight

    I, just as many men in this blog, find extremely fucking disgusting and repulsive just to even think in the number of cocks necessary to achieve said honesty.

    Nothing will ever change that.

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  241. @Blackwhite
    Stupid motherfuckers, all knowledge is power. Nicole has insights that will help your no-pussy-getting-ass if you are smart enough to listen. Damn.

    Bitter woman-hating is the sign of men who still don’t get game.

    Nicole has lots of useful shit to tell us, often unintentionally, and despite CR’s hatred of her, not everything she says is easily dismissable.

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  242. @Chris
    I too am in Canada, Toronto suburb to be exact and I am quite amazed about all this stuff written about Vancouver.
    I think Canada can be alright to game, just not the big cities. Kinda funny there are so many Canucks on this site.

    Gorbachev – are you in Canada?

    Tim – your post was classic.

    I spent some time there this summer and I’ve been to Vancouver several times. Toronto this summer was spectacular – very impressive city. What I imagine an American city should be without the more or less crippling social problems.

    But I gather you people are thoroughly Leftified.

    I’m in the states. East.

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  243. But I gather you people are thoroughly Leftified.

    It’s regional. Generally big cities. Smaller towns and rural areas, not so. Alberta is the least leftified as provinces go.

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