The Benefits Of Older Fatherhood

A common anti-male prerogative hater tactic is to concern troll womanizers about their life trajectories. It usually takes this form:

“What are you going to do? Spend your best years banging one woman after another, and then wind up old and alone? Don’t you want healthy kids?”

Those players who want kids have nothing to worry about. Men produce viable seed well into their dotage, and can theoretically create a lasting legacy with one final, righteous spurt from their deathbeds that sends them to valhalla with a smile on their faces.

Women cannot do this. Once a woman’s eggs are gone, (late 30s to 40s for most women), she is out of the reproduction business altogether. For her, any more sex will strictly and necessarily be for pleasure and intimacy purposes. Or bribery to get her husband to fix the water heater.

But why take my word for it? The science is out and it shows that men benefit from older fatherhood in ways that women will never benefit from older motherhood.

1. A recent study has shown that men who exercise regularly improve the quality of their sperm, counteracting the effects of aging.

[A] new study shows exercise could make sperm quality better; improving a man’s reproductive health.

Diana Vaamonde, a researcher at the University of Cordoba and lead author of the study said in a press release, “We have analysed qualitative semen parameters like the ejaculated volume, sperm count, mobility and sperm morphology.”

For the study the men were also tested for hormone levels that included follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), luteinizing hormone (LH), testosterone (T), cortisol (C) and the T/C ratio that the researchers explain provides a better picture of the environment needed for sperm creation, in addition to giving a picture of the general health of the 31 men included in the study.

The results showed men who exercise more had faster swimming sperm that was more perfectly formed, compared to their sedentary counterparts. Exercising appears to create a more favorable environment for sperm creation that comes from healthy hormone levels.

The good news is the researchers say it only takes moderate exercise to keep your sperm in good shape.

According to the CDC, it’s possible to change a man’s sperm with healthy lifestyle changes.

As far as we know, there is no amount of exercise in the world that will return a woman’s lost eggs to her womb.

Score: Older dads 1, older moms 0.

2. Another study find that older men who eat healthy have less age-related damage to their sperm.

As far as we know, there is no amount of healthy eating that will return a woman’s lost eggs to her womb.

Score: Older dads 2, older moms 0.

3. A study which acts like a shiv to the feminist careerist heart finds that the risk of autism goes up considerably more in the children of older mothers in all age ranges than it does in the children of older fathers.

The older a mother is when she gives birth, the higher her child’s risk of autism, new data show.

A smaller effect also is seen for the age of the father, but only when the child is born to a father over age 40 and a mother under age 30.

As far as we know, there is no amount of feminist delusion that will make an older woman’s eggs relatively as healthy as an older man’s sperm.

Score: Older dads 3, older moms 0.

4. Finally, a Stanford study finds that it is evolutionarily good when older men have kids with younger women. May-December romances weed out life-shortening mutations and promote health and longevity in the human population.

Old Men Chasing Young Women: A Good Thing

It turns out that older men chasing younger women contributes to human longevity and the survival of the species, according to new findings by researchers at Stanford and the University of California-Santa Barbara.

Evolutionary theory says that individuals should die of old age when their reproductive lives are complete, generally by age 55 in humans, according to demographer Cedric Puleston, a doctoral candidate in biological sciences at Stanford. But the fatherhood of a small number of older men is enough to postpone the date with death because natural selection fights life-shortening mutations until the species is finished reproducing.

“Rod Stewart and David Letterman having babies in their 50s and 60s provide no benefit for their personal survival, but the pattern [of reproducing at a later age] has an effect on the population as a whole,” Puleston said. “It’s advantageous to the species if these people stick around. By increasing the survival of men you have a spillover effect on women because men pass their genes to children of both sexes.” […]

In the paper, the researchers analyzed “a general two-sex model to show that selection favors survival for as long as men reproduce.” The scientists presented a “range of data showing that males much older than 50 years have substantial realized fertility through matings with younger females, a pattern that was likely typical among early humans.” As a result, Puleston said, older male fertility helps to select against damaging cell mutations in humans who have passed the age of female menopause, consequently eliminating the “wall of death.”

“Our analysis shows that old-age male fertility allows evolution to breach Hamilton’s wall of death and predicts a gradual rise in mortality after the age of female menopause without relying on ‘grandmother’ effects or economic optimality,” the researchers say in the paper.

So older fathers are gifting us all more years of life on this chortling roil. When you say your prayers this Sunday, be sure to include an hallelujah for dirty old men.

Score: Older dads 1 billion, older moms 50 cats.

I wonder if this means that aging cougars settling for younger, desperate beta males — as seems to be the trend lately in the West — is shortening the human lifespan? Cougars? Yuck. Dashing gentlemen? Yay!

I’m enjoying life right now sans sprog, but I anticipate that when I get older there is an outside chance I will feel a pull toward creating from my dark matter-infused slamseed a few heirs to suckle at my much younger lover’s milky white teats. While I have never been concerned with any possibility of setback in that hypothetical department, it’s nice to know the science affirms my life choices as not only practicable, but also moral.

Also, as an anecdote, I know a couple of older fathers — married to women ten years or more younger than themselves — whose sons are the most well-adjusted, confident, and happy boys I have ever had the pleasure to impart with my shadowy wisdom to meet. Sue me for extrapolating from personal observation, but it’s my impression that the most stable and loving families with the happiest and most grounded kids are those where dad is older than mom. Selection effect for older, high status alpha males by younger women? Perhaps. Or maybe older dads, wielding a history of knowledge and a wider perspective that younger dads don’t yet possess, simply bring more gravitas to family affairs, and therefore naturally and organically induce respect and admiration from their kids.

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I expect this post to really chafe the hides of a few flabby-rumped cunts and their manboobed apologists. There will be much Q_Q and gnashing of labia. And it will be good.





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  1. Well said!

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  2. on December 20, 2012 at 12:49 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    While this post makes technically solid points, I want to point out that my brothers each had kids at ages 40 and 45 with younger wives and I would NOT want their lives. They’re exhausted all the time, can barely keep up and have each aged a decade in the past five years. One of their wives started looking pretty haggard while the other is a raging uber-bitch. And one of the kids does have some sort of disability they refuse to name, and this is from the in-shape jock brother.

    What about young parenting? It also breaks the feminist “narrative” to have kids young — like before a woman ever gets around to a career, much less the carousel. I think that if you live in a small town, going back to the ’50s model of marrying young with your high school sweetheart works. Some of my friends did this and they seem happiest.

    [Heartiste: Any kind of procreative system that shuttles young women away from careerist shrikery and into family life is going to be anathema to femcunts.]

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    • Biology and therefore culture immemorial (pre-BC pill) were set for a woman to be knocked-up from 16-26. In an advanced culture with long life-expectancy, a woman can in fact “have it all.” If she has children when nature intends her to. By the time her youngest has reached majority, she is merely in her forties, still sharp of mind, filled with a lifetime of maternal experience, and with an entire contingent of healthy young men and women to support her second life, led by her firstborn who would be 28 and in his prime. And the woman would still have an average of 40 years to do whatever tickles her twat.

      Instead, we flip nature on its head, sterilize women during their peak birthing age in order to turn them into carnival rides. When they emerge wrinkled and used from the vaginal battery, is it any wonder their hormonally-warped wombs are collectively groaning no más, as reflected in Western birth rates?

      Matt

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      • Matt’s post should be handed out to every white girl in every high school in America.

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      • That last paragraph?

        brutal.

        Matt can make a whole auditorium full of people stare down at the floor and not say nothin.

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      • He chastises the mentally and morally indolent by his example.

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      • This is a brilliant post. What I’ve never understood is how women could be so complicit in their own commoditization. They are the ones pushing the next generation of young women into being carnival rides and psuedo-men.

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      • I think it’s that young women don’t know what they’re missing if they’ve never seen it or had it. I grew up knowing my grandmother started young, and watched her not do such a great job with the thought-it-was-menopause last one after my grandfather died. I also watched divorced aunts struggle like hell. No illusions here that being a single mom or older mom would be a good idea.

        Where I went wrong was the first marriage being too close in age. He hadn’t worked out his issues before we got married. Second one is 16 years older. Even with the life happening issues, I have no regrets. This is a man who knew what he wanted, went for it, and who I respect, admire, and love like no other.

        So dudes, eat your vegetables and exercise. 🙂

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      • That’s because their plan to rule men didn’t work. All it did was make men pissed off, or drop out of the mating game and turn beta. Now these old-hags are jealous of us younger women trying to teach us feminism. You have to come form a strong conservative background not o fall prey to it.

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      • If you think they’re jealous of you younger ladies, they are positively hostile to those of us who did our stuff on time. They salivate when things go wrong, and hate with very little concealment when things go right.

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      • Absolutely; I know they also hate women who did things right. They called you an obstacle to women’s progress at one time. Thank you for not listening to them. Stupid old jealous bitches. The last people any of us should listen to are feminists.

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 2:59 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        That second paragraph is gold, man. Heartiste tweeted it.

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 3:51 pm Holden Caulfield

        “Instead, we flip nature on its head, sterilize women during their peak birthing age in order to turn them into carnival rides.”

        Worth a tweet and worth a fistbump. Well said.

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      • Minor correction to your statement:

        “Women flip nature on its head, sterilize themselves during their peak birthing age in order to turn themselves into carnival rides.” Nobody’s cramming pills down their throat.

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      • Women are very sensitive to societal pressures. You’re probably too young to remember (so am I), but there was a big campaign started in the 70s to label all young mothers and housewives as “losers.” Women can pick up on these somewhat subtle pressures.

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      • Nobody is cramming it down their throats, but they are encouraging them to take it to stave off unwanted pregnancies when they should be staving off unwanted men.

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      • That’s true Nicole. A lot of women go out with lowlifes.

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      • Hearkening back to what you said about a conservative upbringing, though I wish they’d done it in a more African context, since at the time most of the afrocentric were falling for the overcompensating liberals, I can’t nitpick. It’s the main thing they did right.

        I am happy that my man problems were mama’s boy, nerdy sperg, and getting distracted by empty promises of manjawed cyborg problems, and not drug dealer or lunatic problems. I do think that inability to tolerate hormonal birth control probably did shape my selection. I had to stick with guys who were at least obviously responsible.

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      • I’m no Christian, but I wouldn’t hesitate to call this shit satanic. They are spending their prime years in the classroom, the cubicle, the club and on the cock-carousal, and this is portrayed by our satanic overlords as woman’s true calling and the fulfillment of their best natures, when it is the exact opposite.

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      • As others have said before me, in spite of our radically different approaches to the problem, I will always tip my hat to the Harbingers of Doom™ no matter what their form. You and CH are like matter and anti-matter. You are powerful energies that create reality but with opposite reasoning and consequence, I really don’t know another way to say it….

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      • Why is our biology considered the highest aspiration of life?

        After all, noted conservative Thomas Hobbes said that life in such a state is solitary, nasty, brutish, and short.

        Your point is well-delivered … but shouldn’t we try to aim higher than our biology?

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      • Hobbes was seen as a radical in his day. Is he conservative in your eyes because he’s not a Marxist?

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      • Hobbes is one of the foundational philosophers of liberalism, preceded perhaps only by Machiavelli. To avoid religious conflict, he innovated the idea of a “Leviathan” that would secure the social contract and thereby individual rights. His legacy is the removal of religion from the public square and the idea that omniscient government is possible and therefore an omnipotent state (the eponymous leviathan) preferable.

        You call this notable conservatism? I’m having trouble even imagining what you’re talking about. He is a liberal in the oldest political sense of the word: a partisan of enumerated liberties. His radical innovation was to found those rights in human artifice and reason rather than “Nature and Nature’s God.”

        [S]houldn’t we try to aim higher than our biology?

        Exactly my point. Which is why we must admit the limits biology places upon our plans in order to transcend its imperatives in a way that does not result in certain social catastrophe.

        Matt

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      • If you consider the Enlightenment to be liberal, then yes…

        BUT

        I was referring to his catastrophic view of human nature, which falls much more under the conservative umbrella than the liberal umbrella.

        Another thing nagging me is your implicit endorsement of a woman’s worth being limited to exactly one function: getting pregnant between the ages of 16 to 26. I simply disagree, if only because of the implication that a woman who’s infertile, for example, is useless. Tell me if I’ve misread your intentions.

        And don’t bring up sagging birth rates to justify it either — if you take the “r” word out of the argument, this earth is grossly overpopulated, getting moreso every second.

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      • Enlightenment IS liberal, it is the grandaddy of liberalism (at least in the realm of thought) and therefore the framework and superstructure with which we interpret the world at least most average folks walking in the streets.

        You are pretty much wrong on almost all the points that your post hinges on.

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      • Jason, you and the others, the so-called conservatives, keep going around in circles because no one is ever addressing your questions directly and forthright without belittlement and insults.

        Thomas Hobbs is not really a conservative. He is a collectivist or utopian. But you’re right; he’s not the worst of them. However, he did influence Marx.

        Free, is the most natural state of a person upon birth. No one likes to be controlled or told what to do, right? Liberalism becomes part of our belief system as a result of the brainwashing we incur from society. It has us submitting to others in order to control us. First our parents, then society, and finally the State. Parents, and on a lower level society, is OK to submit or conform to. However, to submit to the State is tyrannical. The State should submit to us. The State is our agent; it works for us. Not the other way around.

        Man is a free being; his rights are not derived from the government but from the Creator or the Natural Law, if you will. God created him in his image and thus free, not subservient to any other man or the State, which is a collectivist entity by its very nature. And even if you don’t believe in God, surely you can see how bowing to the State or to other men’s will diminish the majesty of the person. You must believe you are a special creation to understand that your rights don’t come from other men or a State that doesn’t necessarily have your best interest at heart. Your rights come from a higher source – the Creator or the Natural Law.

        Freedom is the basis of our society. Freedom to choose, freedom to make mistakes, freedom to succeed and freedom to fail. The State should not interfere, or control, or level the playing field. This is the true meaning of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It doesn’t mean everyone is equal or must be made equal by the State. It means we are born with an equal opportunity and right to pursue happiness or success. Because the moment the State tries to equalize everyone it has to take rights form one and transfers it to another, it has to pick favorites, and it has to tamper and meddle in private affairs, and this makes everything unequal again. The state should never temper or pick favorites. The state belongs to all of us. Therefore, it should stay out of the competition.

        Now back to Hobbs. He believed all power resides with the Sovereign through the Social Contract. He believed that individuals have consented, either explicitly or implicitly, to abdicate their rights in favor of the absolute authority of the Sovereign/Sate/Government in exchange for protection. Then came other collectivist thinkers like Rousseau (influenced the French revolution), Hagel (German philosopher before Marx), and finally Marx and they built on Hobbs’ ideas.

        True conservatism lies with John Lock. He believed that natural rights were inalienable, and they supersede the government. Guess which one of these thinkers influenced the Founding Fathers?

        The best book to read on this is Mark Levin’s Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America. Forget reading the original works of these philosophers, unless you have lots of time. Read his book and it will explain to you how the West diverged into two sides – left and right. He will take you all the way back to Plato to show you where the collectivist thinking began and developed, and how it trekked through the centuries to the Enlightenment age and finally the modern era. Leftist thought was not originally part of America, until the turn of the 20th century and the Progressive era. The left is a foreign concept to us. It influenced Europe, not America. This book should be taught in every American history course in high school or college. It also comes as an unabridged audio book so you can listen to it in the car if you have no time to sit and read. I highly recommend it.

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      • “Biology and therefore culture immemorial (pre-BC pill) were set for a woman to be knocked-up from 16-26.

        so menopause starts at age 27?

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      • No, but wall-opause does.

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      • Brilliant.

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      • “And the woman would still have an average of 40 years to do whatever tickles her twat.”

        But who’s gonna tickle it? No man with self respect, which is what they want. Besides, women’s sex drives taper off after menopause anyway. They just like to feel otherwise to gain power and feel alive, and need to be properly socialized in order to see it.

        “Instead, we flip nature on its head, sterilize women during their peak birthing age in order to turn them into carnival rides.”

        Women could have 4-5 kids on average from age 30 and onwards if they really wanted to, that’s not the issue. The problem is, they don’t want them.

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      • “No mas, po favor! Estoy cansado!”

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    • There’s also the fact that kids are yours for 18 years. Going from parent directly into tottering is not appealing. I’m looking forward to getting my kids out of the house and still having energy to do my own thing.

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      • You can start in your 30’s to early 40’s and if you raise them to grow up on time (like I did) then they’re functioning as adults by the time they’re physically adults. Besides, even if you do marry in your 20’s to someone similarly aged, if you both stay healthy, you still might only have your last kid in your 30’s or 40’s.

        The only good reason I can see for a man to get married/seriously committed in his 20’s is if he meets a woman who he knows is going to be the love of his life and one of the best things about her is an extremely strong character. That’s someone rare who wouldn’t cost you your freedom anyway because she’d understand a man needs freedom to stay a man.

        So I believe in not wasting time, but also not wasting your life. There’s a balance there. Guys shouldn’t worry about not having found a suitable spouse by their 30’s the way that women should. Really, I don’t think most of you are truly ready to cope with a lifelong commitment until you’re pushing 40 anyway. If you want to truly be the man in your relationship, you should be somewhat settled with yourself before you start shopping for a wife. You should also be past the age where you’re impressed by form over content.

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    • They’re exhausted all the time, can barely keep up and have each aged a decade in the past five years. One of their wives started looking pretty haggard while the other is a raging uber-bitch.

      Just sounds to me as if your bros are betas who can’t handle their wives properly or keep them in thrall and un-bitchy. Yeah, I wouldn’t recommend that single 40 y.o. beta males marry a manjawed lawyercunt fresh out of law school either.

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  3. This is why women hate to see older men with younger women. It is like spitting in their face saying: Your life is over, old cunt, men prefer young fertile women, not bitchy old bags. My personal experience is that I can see pure hate in the eyes of the old bags when they see me with my much younger girlfriend. And that is wonderful.

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    • So good to know tjhat the feminists of the 70’s and 80s are turning into old hags.

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    • “ Nothing personal, Daise. But just, women get older quicker. I know it’s not fair, but the fact remains that us men stay attractive longer!” –Onslow, Keeping Up Appearances

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      • Heh, heh… +1

        (dog suddenly barks from car in driveway as Hyacinth walks by, causing her to shreik… Onslow leans out upstairs window)

        “Quiet, ya daft bitch… you too, dog… bwaaaa haaaa haaaaa!”

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      • Oh, nice!

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      • It’s the harsh reality, but it’s one of the reason’s I say a newborn male baby just won the sex lottery.

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      • What are you on about. Women have it easy. They don’t have to achieve ANYTHING in life in order to reproduce. They just have to be. Not so for men.

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      • On the face of it, yes women have it easier. However, you’re missing the point. There is a lot more social pressure on women and restricted freedom by society to hurry up and get married, and with good reason. She only has a small window to do that. So that puts a great burden on women. Do you like to be burdened?

        On the other hand, men are less affected physically and sexually by time. Look at any 50 year-old male and 50 year-old female, who looks better aging wise? The man. He looks distinguished, sophisticated, debonair and he can still reproduce. Not so the female. The only thing that I can say thank you God about is that medical science is making it possible for women to still look good when they should look old and decrepit. Hopefully, by the time we get to that age, things would be even better for aging women, and by extension for men too, of course.

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      • “Look at any 50 year-old male and 50 year-old female, who looks better aging wise”

        They both look like frail old primates

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      • That’s simply Wrong. They are not the same, no matter how much you would like to believe they are.

        While a 50 year-old man is not going to look like he’s 30, he still looks better than his female counterpart. There is something sexy about a man with lines on his face; he looks distinguished. His face is not sagging, just wise-looking. A 50 year-old woman with sagging everything is not in his league. That’s why you never see 50 year-old men dating 50 year-old women. They always look for women in their 30’s. On the other hand, I doubt a 35 year-old man will date a 50 year-old woman. It just doesn’t happen that often, unless the guy has some strange tendencies, if you know what I mean, and definitely not red-blooded enough.

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      • “That’s why you never see 50 year-old men dating 50 year-old women”

        I see it all the time.

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      • Losers who can’t get any better might date 50 year-old women. But men who have what to offer don’t. In fact, the more successful a man is the younger his wife/GF.

        BTW, the older a man gets the more age difference he’s looking for between him and his women. Why? Because men are hardwired to dating younger women, as they associate youth with beauty and fertility – even if they are not looking to have kids. So a 40 year-old woman hardly broadcast youth and fertility.

        Of course, there is always the out of the ordinary woman who still looks good as a 40-50 year old, but that’s not the norm and that’s also another reason most older men do prefer much younger women. It’s been proven scientifically.

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    • It’s like a white man’s reaction to a white chick who bangs black guys. And for similar reasons.

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      • Since they mostly grab the uggos the reaction is “thank god!” Is that what you meant?

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      • Since they mostly grab the uggos the reaction is “thank god!” Is that what you meant?
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        No, you have to see the white woman and the old man as operating under the same dynamic of “see, I don’t need you because I can replace you with “this”.

        Read the statement again:

        “This is why women hate to see older men with younger women. It is like spitting in their face saying: Your life is over, old cunt, men prefer young fertile women, not bitchy old bags. My personal experience is that I can see pure hate in the eyes of the old bags when they see me with my much younger girlfriend. And that is wonderful”

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    • A modern Grimm’s fairytale would go something like this:

      “Mirror, mirror on the wall, WHO of the few remaining lithe waifs, has the LEAST battered vaginal walls of all?”

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      • As sick as it sounds, comments like that renew my commitment to not having sex outside of a committed relationship, as well as my commitment to a regular kegel routine supplemented with the frequent wearing of small, heavy ben-wah balls to keep my pelvic muscles strong and responsive until I meet the right man and get to the right point in our relationship to have sex.

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      • Not sick at all, Girl. It is the sanest way for a girl to operate.

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      • If girls only realized what men really thought of them having casual sex, many of them would hold off until marriage, or at least until they were in a very committed relationship. Sex is the only leverage a woman has in a relationship, and she squanders it on losers. That’s another thing for which feminism is responsible. It made women lower their standards and settle for boys looking to get laid, not men looking to take care of a woman and build a life together.

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      • If I knew then what I know now, I would not have had sex in my two former relationships. I try to tell myself “taking the red pill” or whatever you want to call it, after two men, both in multi-year relationships, isn’t too bad, but I can’t shake the nagging feeling that a good man might disqualify me as a potential wife because I had sex in one relationship that didn’t end in marriage, recovered from that relationship in time, and did the same thing again.

        Reading sites like this one, I’ve come to believe sex isn’t the only leverage a woman has in a relationship. We CAN improve a man’s life in ways besides sex. We can be worth keeping around as a life partner. I can’t say whether I’m personally up to the task as I am now. I’m in the midst of taking a long (year+) break from dating to devote time to tackling personal demons that got in the way last time and learning to be an asset to those in my life. I don’t want to date until I’m certain I’m up to the job of showing a man how much I love and appreciate him.

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      • “after two men, both in multi-year relationships, isn’t too bad,”

        See, this is where you first went wrong. Why be in two multi-year relationships, squandering your time on the first one and then the second one? You should be able to tell within a couple of months how serious he is about settling down. Had you waited to see what he wanted before sleeping with him, you might have saved yourself time and emotional anguish. Once a woman sleeps with a guy, even if she knows he isn’t very keen on marriage, she doesn’t leave that fast. It’s hard to leave a man you slept with and think about doing it all over again with another man who might also not be serious. Hence, many women stay refusing to give up and trying to make it work, while they waste more years and build more emotional baggage.

        But I don’t think you’re a slut. Just a naive girl who got brainwashed by the culture, like all other girls. Take heart that most girls of dating age are not virgins so guys have no one better to compare you to. BUT, from now on don’t sleep with any man unless he’s committed to you. The only way you’ll know is to date for a while without introducing sex into the mix. It’s the sex that warps the mind, not just for women – for men too. From a man’s perspective he’s going to rationalize that if you’re sleeping with him so readily why should he commit. You’re lowering your worth. And all of life works like that – the higher the worth, the higher the price. That’s what I meant sex is the only leverage a woman has over a man.

        But I suspect you have been deeply brainwashed and that’s why you didn’t understand what I meant by sex is the only leverage a woman has. I don’t mean it’s the only thing you have to offer a man. If it were only about sex, men wouldn’t be getting married ever since they can get all the free sex they want. I meant, it’s something that shouldn’t be introduced too fast into the relationship before you both had a chance to bond on a level deeper than sex. Therefore, withholding sex is the only leverage you have in the relationship if you want to make the right decision about the man you’re dating.

        Regarding improving a man’s life, DON’T go there. Wrong approach. You sound like you want to change him. Even if you’re saying that you don’t, subconsciously you do. A man doesn’t want his woman to change, ever. He wants her exactly as he married her. Yet, women change the day after the wedding. Dishonesty? Maybe. I think it’s just unconscious behavior and hamster working overtime thinking she got him so now she can be herself. In addition, women have a nasty habit of trying to change their men. They don’t admit to it at first, but as soon as they get married all of a sudden everything about him is wrong. Dishonesty? Maybe. I just think it’s delusional thinking she can improve his life.

        You don’t need to improve his life, unless he is some teenager and doesn’t know anything yet, lol. You need to find someone who is right the way he is. If anything, he should be doing more for you than you for him, unless you don’t mind being too controlling and emasculating for him, which will only make him leave you in the long run. So I wouldn’t harp too much over being “up to the job of showing a man how much I love and appreciate him.” If you meet the right man that will come naturally. And no controlling behavior should be displayed by you. Stay lighthearted and feminine. Let him lead you.

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      • Dont waste time – unless you are below 23 you dont have any time to waste if what you are looking for is family and kids.

        That said the most important thing you can do for your marriage is stay that sex hungry, top looking, heels wearing girl you were when you first met.
        If you let your looks and cloths go into “grand-ma” style you are activly repulsing your man and he will leave you sooner rather than later.

        As for sex. We can wait a week or two if we really want a girl. Try to resist our charm on first and second date at least. We respect a girl who can resist a little while, but not much longer than that or we will loose interest. Might be some mental disorder in your cute little brain that keeps you from having sex and we will certainly not commit to a girl who does not enjoy regular and frequent sex.

        NiteLily is spot on here. Sex is a girls biggest leverage over us men. If the sex is good we can tolerate quite a lot of things in a relationship. If the sex is bad or rare, there is not much you can do that will stop us from looking elsewhere, no matter how many interestes we may have in common.

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  4. Tweet:

    It isn’t redneck culture that’s to blame for mass shootings; it’s the culture of narcissism. Or as I call it, Generation Lookatme!

    You encourage the dark triad in your readers (which includes narcissism) while you simultaneously moralize against a “culture of narcissism.” Explain.

    These are the contradictions between your philosophy and your behavior. Rather than thinking you can slash through every inconsistency like so many Gordian knots, try making your philosophy robust enough to include a justification for your behavior on the ground. You otherwise display the feminine quality of capricious variation.

    So which is it for you? “A woman’s/player’s prerogative to change her mind”? Or, “Narcissism for me, but not for thee”?

    Matt

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    • No one is immune from contradiction. And learn to brevity, faggot.

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      • Learn me how to brevity, you inimitable fortune-cookie wag.

        You forgot the Whitman quote about “contain[ing] multitudes,” the go-to cliché when chumps like you think it sophisticated to defend hypocrisy.

        I’ll reduce it to a bumper-sticker, then, your preferred mode of wit:

        How’s my writing? Call 1-800-FUCK-OFF

        Matt

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      • When I read your posts, I see Ignatius Reilly on my brain screen.

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      • CASH HIM, MUTHAFUCKA!!!

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      • ^^^—This. I wish I had something more astute to add, but watching mortal men joust with animals, is what it is, sometimes sad as you always know the outcome, but mainly still entertaining in spite of it all…

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    • Heck, Jesus Christ Himself said “Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves”. People tend to forget the “be wise as serpents” bit. I don’t think having dark triad traits in moderation is a bad thing. It helps one not be an exploited pushover.

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      • Narcissism “in moderation” is not narcissism, it’s simple confidence. Narcissism is defined by its extreme distortion of an otherwise laudable virtue, untempered by modesty or humility.

        CH doesn’t advocate mere confidence, he specifically promotes the pathology by name, which is by definition “a bad thing.” If he didn’t acknowledge it as pathological, he wouldn’t have used it pejoratively in the phrase “culture of narcissism.”

        Matt

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      • The ill effects on others of someone’s narcissism, is largely mitigated if said others are aware they are swimming with sharks, and organize their surroundings accordingly.

        Our host is doing a laudable job of attempting to wake the majority of productive, decent people of America up to the fact that they live in a society where they have voluntarily, at least in a collective sense, surrendered their ability to be cuckolded, raped and robbed by trash.

        In short, as long as we live in a world where all the spoils go to the biggest asshole, is behooves decent people to learn to out-asshole those for whom such behavior come naturally. Until that particular arms race reach a point where even the drones being spewed out of publicly funded indoctrination institutions every year, realize the problem is a fundamental flaw in progressivism itself, and hopefully abandon it in it’s entirety; replacing it with either something less flawed, or with nothing whatsoever.

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      • +1

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      • … we live in a world where all the spoils go to the biggest asshole…

        This is an article of faith with little to support its veracity. You should be suspicious of this conclusion if only because it tracks closely to the resentful weakling’s judgment of his betters. “He’s such an asshole, why does he have such a great life, I must become an asshole.” Etc.

        I am all for the dark triad if it’s the only way certain contemporary pansies learn to regain their strength and feel confidence in it. But to assume it represents the apex? That’s simply not true, as a matter of my own faith, reason, observation, and experience. The ease of achieving power through evil versus the difficulty of achieving power through the good explains 100% of its attractiveness.

        It’s the common allure of evil, known since the garden. By definition it promises more than it can deliver, and upon fruition one immediately realizes the con and regrets succumbing to such a tawdry trick. You would think we’d have a handle on it by now.

        Matt

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      • Definitions, especially of the type you just cited, are arbitrary.

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      • WTF?

        Words have meanings, and we’re not entitled to our own definitions… lest one plays the Humpty Dumpty fool.

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      • Which is what angers me so about same sex ‘marriage’. It’s a contradiction all its own. Sadly, if you look up the definition of marriage, it’s been blurred to be ‘…between two people…’ or ‘…two spouses…’ in some fictionaries.

        Humpty Dumpty indeed.

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      • @obsessivecakedisorder

        Get ready to get angered even more. It’s going to get legalized, which will be the worst thing that befallen humanity to date. That’s going to destroy society within 20 years. We should have never decriminalize gay sex. The moment we did that, it created a slippery slope. Now the next logical step is to accept homosexuality on par with heterosexuality. How do you do that? You allow same-sex marriage. That’s why we should never let the left win any battle, even if on its face initially it looks harmless. Nothing the left does is ever harmless. Everything is calculated by the narcissistic left. Gays should go back to the closet where they belong, as Canadian Friend often says.

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      • Don’t judge, Lily.

        “The heart has reasons which reason knows not of.”

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      • Matt, that’s why I don’t say kill ’em all. I do have some compassion for their plight. However, they need to keep their sexuality private and not shove it down our throats through the media and academia. Before you know it, it will be hate speech to ask a boy what kind of girls he likes. You’ll have to ask what kind of person he likes to date or marry. Brainwashing? You bet ya. I’m terrified of what will be. Homosexuality is one of the things that destroyed ancient Greece.

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      • “Narcissism “in moderation” is not narcissism, it’s simple confidence. Narcissism is defined by its extreme distortion of an otherwise laudable virtue, untempered by modesty or humility.”

        FINALLY, I hear you speaking of moderation. I was worried you might be too much of a radical.

        And you also speak of consistency – music to my ear. Too many contradictions and hypocritical behavior in our culture.

        You make them face things they never thought of. That’s why your words are painful for some. Nevertheless, they need to hear them.

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      • FINALLY, I hear you speaking of moderation.

        You “hear” me like you are underwater with ear-plugs.

        Don’t you “worr[y]” about me, pumpkin. I’m ten steps ahead, seeing if you can close ever the distance. Show a little more effort, and I’ll show a little more patience.

        Otherwise you are consigned to the mental category I reserve for earnest female obliviousness: cute, an A for effort, but just as unreliable as every other stubbornly feminine attempt at ratiocination.

        I will teach you, but only looking down at an eager face by my knee.

        Matt

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      • Ha ha ha….. if it makes you feel better.

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      • Good luck with that.

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    • No contradiction. A “look at me” society works to benefit individuals with the Triad. Individuals need to recognize this if they want to thrive.

      Training men on how to thrive in a cesspool does not necessarily mean you like the cesspool.

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      • Training men on how to thrive in a cesspool does not necessarily mean you like the cesspool.

        But it does necessarily mean contributing to the cesspool.

        How about instead of “training men on how to” shit all over their environment for (literal) shits and giggles, we direct them to drain the sewers, as the “dark” “lord” himself occasionally indicates a need for? How long until the sludge backs up into his glorious “poolside” fraidy-cat refuge?

        If he’s living it up as the world around him is ending, then live it up and quit bitching about the chaos he abandoned (after contributing mightily to it). Or else grab a shovel and get to work. The legitimacy of one’s public cynicism only extends so far when the beach-chair critic is not just refusing to do anything about it but is privately advocating the furtherance of the very corruption he decries.

        Matt

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm Hugh G. Rection

        So instead of speaking in metaphors, what exactly would you suggest he/we do?

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      • Discipline, continence, self-criticism, humility, virtue, and excellence. Courage, temperance, wisdom, justice. No shortcuts, no rationalizations for spiritual laziness, no glorifying evil.

        Tend to your soul since your parents and this culture did not. If you know no one who exemplifies true alpha, seek one out, find, refuse to yield, and become his protégé. If your search comes up empty, turn to the models of the kalokagathia in the classics, in history, in art, and in literature. If you have no mind for that, crawl on your knees to the church. The rest — technique, tactic, strategy, salvation — falls into place.

        There is no Marxist playbook to detail our progression from A to B to C. A preponderance of nobility is first required, and from their virtues and friendship arise leadership, and from leadership (alpha) comes direction. Talking detail to the unreconstructed, 21st-century, feminist soul is speaking Greek to an audience of drunk vagrants. Fix yourself first.

        I will continue to use metaphor, analogy, allegory, and parable, after the example of my Lord.

        Matt

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 5:51 pm feminizedwesternmale

        You need a blog. Very wise. Merry Christmas, Brother. Email me anytime if you start collecting your notes together on the web. hthorse at gee mail dot com. Mike

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm Hugh G. Rection

        Yeah, right. That’s a load of horseshit cloaked in terms that would impress the lesser mind.

        I’m wondering, are you imagining yourself to be an example of leadership? That would probably require followers which achieve certain results. What are those results? And who, so far, do you have convinced?

        I’m pretty much expecting the standard retreat of claiming I’m just incapable/unworthy of understanding the wisdom of your words.

        You are full of shit, but it looks like you attracted at least some flies.

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      • I’m wondering, are you imagining yourself to be an example of leadership?

        Not at all. That would require a level of debilitating narcissism I fight daily to contain, a level you happily indulge and therefore imagine to be the heart of other men’s motivation.

        I see the issue and I articulate it best I can. That’s all, and hopefully that’s enough. We are a long way from the kind of leadership I’m talking about anyway. There are no leaders without followers, and out of virtuous followers must emerge humble exemplars to guide their peers. We aren’t even close to the kind of men who can sublimate their egos into a cause greater than themselves, what with chumps like you utterly unaware that the self-centered princess syndrome of personal entitlement is even possible to transcend. You just scoff and say “full of shit” and scurry back to your tiny little life.

        It is not excess of thought but defect of fertile and generous emotion that marks them out. Their heads are no bigger than the ordinary: it is the atrophy of the chest beneath that makes them seem so.

        And all the time—such is the tragi-comedy of our situation—we continue to clamour for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. … We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.

        — C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

        Matt

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      • “If your search comes up empty, turn to the models of the kalokagathia in the classics, in history, in art, and in literature. If you have no mind for that, crawl on your knees to the church. The rest — technique, tactic, strategy, salvation — falls into place.”

        He should read the Bible and emulate God’s actions. God the best example of alpha behavior.

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      • He should read the Bible and emulate God’s actions.

        Introducing the truth too early spooks the arrogant away from it permanently. They have to descend their rickety ladder of self-devised egotism before they can even contemplate climbing the sta i r r w a y …

        to HEAVunnnnnn.

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      • In today’s societal cesspool, only narcissists and feminst-friendly douchebags have influence or power. Narcissists thrive in the cesspool, but feminists create and perpetuate it.

        Therefore, our only hope of draining the cesspool is for enough narcissists to thrive in, and then destroy it.

        Anti-feminist betas are irrelevant.

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      • Or, for completeness, Tim McVeigh the whole rotten shithole once and for all. But that does take an awful lot more both in the way of courage and ability than laying by the pool getting blown by some expendable femdrone pretending to “fulfill herself.”

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      • Therefore, our only hope of draining the cesspool is for enough narcissists to thrive in, and then destroy it.

        Fair enough, but entirely too cynical. If we must become ugly like the enemy in order to destroy them, what’s the point of fighting? Once we become them, we might as well join them. It would be a hell of a lot easier.

        And that’s the point. We settle for vice, and adopting their tactics, because it worked for them and because it’s just easier that way. Virtue “has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried” (Chesterton).

        If you can’t follow the classical rationale; if you must conclude that evil is simple “reality” to be accepted rather than fought; and if you must despair that evil inevitably will triumph, then at some point you have to take the leap and imagine right makes might. If you have so denatured the good in you, if you have snuffed out the spark inside that thrills at the thought of justice, if fighting the good fight and finishing the race seems naïve and foolish to you, do it anyway.

        What else is there? The temporary satiety of a couple urges before you’re swallowed up in the oblivion of mortality while we losers “waste” resources in a losing battle? If all ultimately ends up in the nihil, there can be no such thing as waste: every action is equally efficient as it converges on zero. But there is glory even in loss, even in failure, especially when the possibility of victory can salvage us from the ultimate loss coming for everyone regardless: death. You live one life, why not dedicate what little you have to the good?

        All other things equal, do you step between the lunatic shooter and the 8-year-old student, or do you stay at a safe distance and indifferently watch him die? If you cannot fathom the immortality in sacrificial virtue, you are not human. But then, the immature, cowardly, and crude promotion of psychopathy (in the dark triad) is a denial of the human. What every simple child intuits a priori you seek the instruments to deny, suppress, and ultimately eradicate. We are designed to act righteously, and every other maneuver requires contortion and self-mutilation.

        Matt

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      • matt is the only one on this blog that makes any sense

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      • Fuck you.

        Love,
        GBFM

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      • GBFM’s message makes sense… just not the spelling. 😉

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      • Agreed. Wade through all his ones and zeros, you’ll see some truth.

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      • Email pix, e. Sometime before the end of the world later on today.

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      • no one is going to change the world significantly, ever. but you can be nice to people. “the worst are filled with a burning intensity, the best lack all conviction.” blowhards always eventually always come up with some pressing need to brutalize someone, for some “oh-so-regretful” duty to –abstract bullshit.

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    • How about this for narcissism?

      You stick to a code of conduct for your benefit. You refuse to engage in bad or destructive behavior…and when people try to convince you otherwise you proudly state your beliefs.

      Jesus himself displayed narcissism…”I am the bread of life.”

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      • No brag, just fact. 😉

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      • Yeah in his case his narcissism is true :).

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      • And that’s what I’m striving to be, an egomaniac who’s actually right about about how much he rocks.

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      • To be serious for a moment, I think you’re misinterpreting ‘narcissism’… Christ was anything BUT self-absorbed or self-centered.

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      • You may be partially right. Often people with temporal lobe epilepsy are genuinely kind people who just believe that God has chosen them to save the world or something.

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      • That’s some strange-ass soteriology you got going on there, TaterSalad.

        Though he is indeed The Bread of Life, he condescended to become man and to humble himself on the cross. It is logically impossible for an “Almighty” to be humble as we understand the word, but in that paradox rests your salvation.

        It’s your lucky day. The one person who could legitimately stake claim to narcissism deliberately exemplified its opposite, offering himself to expiate your narcissism, and demonstrating to all creation the right posture of humility in the face of The One Who Made Them.

        If the King of Kings and Lord of Lords can kneel in obedience and make the ultimate sacrifice, who are you, pipsqueak, to claim excellence of yourself? Such boastfulness is exposed for the absurdity it is anno Domini, risible gothboy claims of the power of “darkness” notwithstanding.

        Matt

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      • I’m a precious gift from God and God loves me entirely and has a great plan for me…and I can do all things in Him. Therefore I am excellent.

        However I’m also a sinner…so I’m not.

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      • So what I’m saying is…looking highly upon yourself isn’t necessarily a bad thing because that’s how God views us. Beating yourself up isn’t a virtue.

        But as a realist I know that the bad stuff I do takes the shine off the apple and I’m not proud to be a sinner…so I go back to God so he can restore my excellence.

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      • A little more self-flagellation might be in order for some of the residents of this here chateau…

        No, not THAT kind. 😡

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      • Yes, true dat.
        Also by looking highly on yourself you are able to be self confident. Took me long time to get that.(Jacob 1:6) The trap though that awaits on that path is arrogance.

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      • Narcissism is something more than “looking highly upon yourself,” a difference of such degree that it becomes a difference in kind.

        The myth of Narcissus was a cautionary tale, not a self-esteem parable. He was so wrapped up in his own sense of excellence that he starved, withered, and expired, incapable of the barest humility even at the expense of his life.

        “Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord.”

        Matt

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      • I’ve been accused of narcissism in the past, but I think that’s ridiculous.

        If I identified with anyone from Greek mythology, it would be Zeus.

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      • Sometimes, losers look highly upon themselves because it’s the only way to make themselves feel better about who they are. Being realistic about yourself is the best way, however painful, lest the hamster takes over.

        Agree with Greg. Self-honesty might do some of them some good.

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      • It’s not arrogant to say you’re better than others, if it’s a fact. But narcissism, the way I understand it, is all about unfounded self-importance and being preoccupied with how you look to others. What is inside is less important to a narcissist.

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      • on December 21, 2012 at 10:58 am Hugh G. Rection

        It’s arrogance to point it out. People don’t want to be reminded of their inferiority because they hate to work on improvement.

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      • Narcissism is not necessarily self-importance. It’s when you can’t be objective about yourself because the reality is too painful, so you start thinking of yourself as the most incredible thing since sliced bread. It’s a lack of humility and the lack of judging one honestly.

        In the context of the Chateau, some men think they are the greatest gift to women.

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    • The dark triad itself isn’t good or bad…it’s what a person does with it that determines the path.

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      • Then why is it called “dark”? Is psychopathy not necessarily “good or bad” too? Relativism makes you impotent.

        The dark triad is power deployed toward selfish and destructive ends. Women are attracted to the power component, which, as in Eve’s case, makes their self-annihilation seem attractive before the fact. The power component can be just as simply directed toward felicitous ends, though that requires discipline and work, which seem “boring” to the slothful, particularly when she is being fed false promises of “All the fun, and none of the effort!”

        Matt

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      • It’s called dark because it acknowledges our baser nature instead of ignoring it. The Triad alone is neither inherently moral or amoral; it’s realism.

        Machievelli himself cites Moses as an example of strong leadership.

        Ignore the baser truths and they will destroy you. Only after the Pretty Lies die can the Beautiful Truths be born.

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      • It’s called dark because it acknowledges our baser nature instead of ignoring it. The Triad alone is neither inherently moral or amoral; it’s realism.

        Psychopathy and narcissism are not “amoral.” They are intrinsically selfish and damaging, traits raised to such an extreme that they become pathological. (Forget “Machiavellianism” for now — using the philosopher’s name leaves too much room for quibbling.)

        And you agree with this. Which is why you used the morally-loaded term “baser.”

        I am all for acknowledging the “dark” (as in “hidden”) side of our motivations. But to imagine it comprehensively describes “realism” — which makes the motivations external to the triad false or surreal by definition — is begging the question. Virtue is just as real, and I would argue, more powerful in the long run and in the aggregate. What makes the base instincts seem more powerful is their immediate access — they require no refinement, just a capitulation to instinct.

        Matt

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      • “Machievelli himself cites Moses as an example of strong leadership.”

        Dark Triad is not about leadership, it’s about being selfish, destructive, and weaseling your way out of responsibility, as it satisfies some of your instant gratification needs. A man can be a strong powerful leader with temperance and the correct application of justice (not equality or PC nonsense), which is serioulsy lacking in our society. True Justice and absolute truth are the missing ingredients. That’s why we have the societal ills that we have.

        Many misinterpret Machiavelli thinking he was a narcissist. No, he was a realist. Narcissists are almost never realistic.

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      • In an unbridled lynchmobocracy like ours, those who use their “power” for ends other than simply obtaining more power, will be left behind by those who do not.

        Hence, those in charge will always and forever not only be scummy, but indeed the scummiest amongst all the scummy. There is not way around that. The only “solution” is to limit the power of those in charge, so that the inevitable scumbags, despite being in power, still cannot do much damage. As in, for a start, limit the total federal budget to the same dollar amount it was when the last arguably decent President, Jefferson, was in charge. While giving up no ability to procure the same kinds and quantities of weapons to protect oneself against government, as agents of government can buy to go after one.

        Then, who cares if the guy nominally in charge is a scumbag?

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      • So it seems that only the most power hungry will thrive in this world, but i must disagree. They can do it for a while, but their time comes too.

        This world is a world of a change. People will get fed up with their power hungry “my ass first” and will search for alternatives.

        There are certain factors that can slow that transition like the resilience of the establishment, outside pressure, softening of the establishment’s stances on things that grieve disaffected people the most… (hence North Korea and Zimbabwe – establishment resilience, Vietnam – as previous + economic growth + nationalism + extensive changes, and maybe China as the best of examples – you know it…).

        The alternative to the prevalent ideology that was the most voiced opposition is being chosen and given support by the disaffected to topple the current rotted establishment (that is filled with power hungry “me first” players that don’t actually care about the content of the ideology that they advocate as long as it serves their purposes “).

        notable example that supports my disagreeing with that widespread observance is Cesare Borgia, the son of the Alexander VI.
        Machiavelli (“the Machiavelli”) distinguished him as a paradigm of successful politician (meaning the worst of the political animals there were in whole of the fragmented Italy), and things were going very well for him, yet cardinals got fed up with his “me, me, me” and others too so he got leg…

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      • “They can do it for a while, but their time comes too.
        This world is a world of a change. People will get fed up with their power hungry “my ass first” and will search for alternatives. “

        Exactly! And don’t forget that the Owner will not let one of those have a de fact hold on his creation. Their hubris will be the exact thing that will undo them. It’s almost impossible to find humbleness in leaders. Moses was a strong leader but he was also humble. That’s why he got to meet God face to face.

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      • If you believe that you are quite naive.

        Of course, it’s all a matter of degree. Certain dark triad traits can be positive at the right levels, for the right applications, but too much of them gives us some of the most truly despicable individuals…

        [Heartiste: Even the most despicable men seem to have little trouble winning the love of pretty women. See: Any death row serial killer; Chris Brown.]

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      • Or, my idol, Ted Bundy only because I resemble him both in physicality and demeanor. As I said before, he went juuuuust a little too far. But a more socially acceptable sociopath can simply continue to fuck hot women all the live long day, without having to actually kill them. In my experience, you can actually SAY you want to choke them to death with your hand wrapped firmly on the windpipe and then what? It only makes them cum all that much harder. But be certain they survive the experience to leave their number for you. Ted, sadly, wasn’t good at the second part.

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      • As sickos go, Crowley is a much better role model.

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      • If you want a sicko for a role model, how ’bout Jim Morrison?
        From a personality standpoint, that motherfucker was just about the most worthless piece of shit to ever walk the Earth, but 20+ years after his death, women still want his dick.

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      • “Even the most despicable men seem to have little trouble winning the love of pretty women. See: Any death row serial killer; Chris Brown.”

        Certainly. But they’re still despicable men…

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      • Chris Brown’s not so bad. He is talented and all. Cute face sort of too.

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      • LMAO ROFL.

        God, you need to be gang raped.

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      • LOL fucking awesome. You just undermined everything else you’ve ever said on this blog.

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      • Only a tinge of the Dark Triad is necessary to make things happen. You can easily overdo it and turn wicked. But you can also use it to channel a woman in the right direction. In other words, you can make or break her by using the tools correctly. There are alpha men that get off on destroying women emotionally or mentally – their dark side is stronger and they get off on their power. Then there are alphas that guide, teach, and correct women, as well as lead other men.

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  5. Its a little disorienting to read about how men in their 50’s and 60’s can marry and impregnate young tight chicks. I’m not saying this is impossible, obviously this blog has provided plenty of evidence for it. And just reading about it makes me less despondent about aging.

    Maybe it is just my own personal reality, but as a 28 year old man it is hard enough to even break the bitch shields of women my own age, let alone some nubile 19-year old. And the older men I see on a day-to-day basis are almost invariably married to shrieking hags that look 10 years older than their husbands. Most marriages seem to occur between a 28-29 yr old female and a career-oriented beta a couple years older (or even younger).

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    • “Disorienting”? You should be encouraged.

      You bust the “bitch shields of women [your] own age” or younger by something this community calls the Gunwich method, if I have the term right: take a girl out of her cultural context, away from her cuntly friends and peer pressures and into your frame, and let nature take its course. Alone, she is just a girl who ultimately wants the same things you do. In other words, always pick the battlefield that plays to your strengths. The rest is chemistry, urges, and, if you’re in a pinch, alcohol. It has ever been thus.

      This is the “secret” knowledge that everyone knows but few are fearless enough to act upon. So act boldly, and fuck ’em (in the figurative sense) if they don’t have the fortitude to reciprocate. On to the next one. That is “pick-up artistry” at its most irreducible.

      Men chart their own course above, beneath, against, or apart from the malignant culture and thereby change the culture. Betas and women bob along the currents of contemporary custom like corks, even as the sewer surge corrodes and corrupts them. Swim upstream.

      Matt

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    • My theory: Between 1960 and 1975, the birth rate in the United States took a nosedive, so for men born during those years, who are now between 37 and 52 years old, it’s extremely difficult to get younger women. Well… the 37 y.o.s are probably okay, so let’s say for men in their 40s and early 50s right now. They’ll need much tighter game than men who are either older or younger than that.

      As you’re 28, I’d say you just need to internalize game better. I actually find that girls who are somewhat younger than me have weaker bitch shields than those who are actually close to me in age (31). The only younger woman who questioned my dating her was a hard leftist who later became a single mom by some Mexican deadbeat, so the problem was obviously with her, not me.

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      • My theory: Between 1960 and 1975, the birth rate in the United States took a nosedive, so for men born during those years, who are now between 37 and 52 years old, it’s extremely difficult to get younger women. Well… the 37 y.o.s are probably okay, so let’s say for men in their 40s and early 50s right now. They’ll need much tighter game than men who are either older or younger than that.

        I heartily disagree. I’m in my early 40s, and the number of available 20-something women is quite encouraging. In raw terms there are many more Millenials than there are Gen X-ers, and when you consider that a large chunk of my Gen-X peers are married, the odds shift even more in my favor.

        Now consider that most of the Gen-X men on the make are either hitting on women over 30, are totally unaware of Game, or both.

        Life, she is good.

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      • Well… ok. I’ll rephrase it as: you need tighter game if the number of women in your target age range is much smaller than the number of men in your age range. So, men born at the peak of the Baby Boom (1960) or in the five to ten years or so afterwards are SOL unless they have really good game.

        The reverse is of course true for women; the birth rate for white women in the U.S. was considerably lower for those born in the 1950s upslope than for those born in the 1960s downslope.

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      • I heartily disagree. I’m in my early 40s, and the number of available 20-something women is quite encouraging.
        ———————————
        No truer words ever spoken. and besides,

        cocaine is a hell of a drug.

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      • I noticed something similar, I’m the same age and younger women seem to be more pleasant and open to getting out and having fun. Which makes them far more attractive.

        Single women our age tend to be far more boring and used up.

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    • H is talking about older ALPHA males. I suppose…

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  6. “I will feel a pull toward creating from my dark matter-infused slamseed a few heirs to suckle at my much younger lover’s milky white teats.”

    dujde you rock like lemmy

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  7. So true. I’m a single father in my 40’s and I have been getting laid by lots of different women, especially in the last year or two, and from a prett wise age bracket – 24 to 44.

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  8. Here Heartiste goes, dropping science, dropping it all over.

    Just a science fyi…there’s rumors coming down the pike that science is letting women extend their egg viability, can’t find it now, basically giving women unlimited eggs. So there’s that.

    Also, the manjow prognosis for men who don’t settle down is this: “You’ll wind up old and alone in the nursing home if you don’t marry.” I think this femmy wisdom is nonsense, if you can keep your facilities that long, then with viagra, you’ll be the cock of the roost in your dotage otherwise it won’t matter because you’ll be drooling. Since women live longer anyways, they’re the ones heading for cats/homes fighting for the few viable remaining men.

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  9. No joke…when I was younger I went to a museum (Garden of Eden in KS) where the man that built the place had his two kids with a 20 year old woman when he was in his 80s.

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  10. OK, let’s break this down:

    “Those players who want kids have nothing to worry about. Men produce viable seed well into their dotage, and can theoretically create a lasting legacy with one final, righteous spurt from their deathbeds that sends them to valhalla with a smile on their faces.”

    True. There’s the paternal age-mutational load thing Greg Cochran thing talks about, but overall, the risk of problem to any one man is small.

    “A recent study has shown that men who exercise regularly improve the quality of their sperm, counteracting the effects of aging.”

    Useless. The study is correlational; we don’t know what the causal factor is here. Is it that men who exercise a lot promote more and healthier sperm, or is it that men who are generally healthier with higher levels of male hormones are more apt to exercise?

    “Another study find that older men who eat healthy have less age-related damage to their sperm.”

    Same problem as above dude.

    “A study which acts like a shiv to the feminist careerist heart finds that the risk of autism goes up considerably more in the children of older mothers in all age ranges than it does in the children of older fathers.

    The older a mother is when she gives birth, the higher her child’s risk of autism, new data show.”

    3 for 3 now. Does this study control for autistic traits in the parents? Parents on the autism spectrum systematically have children later than “neurotypicals”. Children of engineers and the like are also more likely to be autistic. Does spending too much time around calculators and machining labs doom your children to autism too?

    “Finally, a Stanford study finds that it is evolutionarily good when older men have kids with younger women. May-December romances weed out life-shortening mutations and promote health and longevity in the human population.”

    This is a bit murkier than it sounds, because the first question that comes to mind—which doesn’t yet have a definitive answer—is why do women stop reproducing before death in the first place? Wouldn’t it be easier if both sexes reproduced until death? Obviously, it isn’t, but why?

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    • I would think that an older man who doesn’t exercise won’t be using that sperm anyway.

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      • You’d be surprised…

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      • Jizzing on online porn doesn’t count.

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      • That’s not what I mean. Many (most?) of these guys still do get laid…

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      • 54yo here. Up’d my game and have gotten more pussy in the last year than in the last decade. Looking forward to 55.

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      • @ 3legdog
        I’m curious, does the sex drive not decrease when you enter your 50s?

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      • @NiteLily:

        “I’m curious, does the sex drive not decrease when you enter your 50s?”

        Typically, yes. But from what starting point….

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      • @ JayMan
        OK, let’s not compare it with an 18-year old hot-to-trot male.

        What’s the difference in sex drive between a 55-year old and a 35-year old male?
        a. A little
        b. A lot
        c. Somewhere between the two

        And do you notice it? Like when you see a hot girl walking down the street do you get turned on easily when you are an older male, or is the drive more subdued?

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      • @NiteLily – You do realize that asking men – online, to boot….- about their sex drive is like asking the waiter if the steak is fresh or the car dealer about….well, anything, right?
        In every online forum I’ve ever visted that had any connection whatsoever with the whole ‘dating’ universe, ALL men (age irrelevant) are sexual athletes not even a young stallion could top and ALL women over 30-something are erupting volcanoes of lust.

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      • @NiteLily- Asking men – or women over 35 – about their sex drive (online, to boot….) is like asking the waiter if the steak is fresh.
        Or a car dealer/lawyer/real estate agent…well, anything.
        You realize that, right?

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      • @NiteLily:

        “What’s the difference in sex drive between a 55-year old and a 35-year old male?
        a. A little
        b. A lot
        c. Somewhere between the two”

        It varies from guy to guy. Typically sex drive (for both sexes) peaks in early adulthood and slowly trails off from there. People with higher sex drives peak higher and hence remain generally higher throughout life and vice versa.

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      • @NiteLily – Asking men – or women over 35 – about their sex drive (online, to boot…) is like asking the waiter if the steak is fresh.
        Or asking a car dealer/lawyer/real estate agent….well,anything.
        You realize that, right?

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  11. Pre red-pill, I used to find older man/younger woman couples distatesful. No reasoning behind it…I just did.

    But now it makes a little more sense to have a financially-stable/game-drenched dad and fertile, pop-em-out young moms.

    Feel the wrath of a score of biomechanical backhands, feminists!

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  12. on December 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm RappaccinisDaughter

    A minor point: We don’t really run out of eggs, exactly. What happens is their quality degrades. Since we’re born with all the eggs we’ll ever have, time and environmental factors cause them–and the follicles that support them–to become less viable. Mutations appear (that’s why the risk of trisomy-21 goes up as maternal age advances).

    A major point: If you don’t want kids, don’t let people guilt and pressure you into it. It’s your decision, no one else’s.

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  13. on December 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm Lucky White Male

    CH, good to hear your evolving views

    It’s hard to say a Man has lived a full life if he hasn’t had the pleasure to raise his own kids. And yes – it’s more of a pleasure than hassle if you pick the right woman and the right circumstances.

    The full spectrum of being a Man involves at some point in life – teaching, imparting wisdom to, protecting, and guiding a family.

    And, yes, it should be your own children, not adopted. “We love nothing like that of our own.”

    All the media claptrap about “kids being a pain in the ass” is overblown.

    Kids are a pain in the ass only when

    1. You choose the wrong wife (not feminine or motherly-inclined)

    2. You yourself are a mangina man that doesn’t want the masculine responsibility of leading a family

    3. You agree financially to a lifestyle you can’t afford.

    Avoid these mistakes and it’s a great decision

    About sperm quality and testosterone – it’s a myth that T lowers with age – assuming you are eating Paleo and lifting paleo.

    For example, Art DeVany, the Paleo pioneer who has been living and lifting Paleo since 1984 – today, in 2012, at age 75, claims NO reduction in his testosterone.

    http://artdevanyonline.com/1/post/2012/12/testosterone-myths.html

    He was recently tested by a top aging lab and had the biological profile of a 32 year old man.

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  14. It’s worth at least pointing out the increased mutational load:

    http://www.nature.com/news/fathers-bequeath-more-mutations-as-they-age-1.11247

    [Heartiste: The increased mutational load is much worse for old mothers than it is for old fathers. And this fact is more telling when you realize that these studies are comparing pre-menopausal older mothers who are still much younger than older fathers.]

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  15. And the only way to deal with femicunts is….

    RAPE!

    Like feministX.

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  16. CH may come off like a heartless prick in a post like this, but when one lives in a society (like America and other western countries) that spews endless lies to prop up women and smash down men, that shames male sexuality from every angle and celebrates female sexuality, it’s understandable. It’s bringing a little balance to the force, as he says.

    I can only imagine how many gullible men, lets say 35+, who have not pursued younger women or have given up legit chances to be with them because they felt a sense of guilt or shame about it, brainwashed by our society that it’s “creepy”, when really it’s about female envy and bitterness about how the sexes age. Men age better.

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  17. We don’t really run out of eggs, exactly. What happens is their quality degrades

    WOman. If they didn’t exist, we’d to invent them

    “A pizza left out of the fridge does not rot; its quality decreases”

    “an ice cub left in the sun does not cease to exist; its quality degrades”

    “If a fatty eats an entire cake, the cake does not cease to exist; its quality degrades”

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    • on December 20, 2012 at 2:54 pm RappaccinisDaughter

      Sigh. What I’m saying is there are eggs left, they’re just not as good.

      [Heartiste: For all practical purposes, women have zero eggs left for fertilization once they’ve hit menopause. Men, in contrast, can produce viable sperm until death, even if it gets harder to do so as old age encroaches.]

      That’s why, every so often, a perimenopausal woman who thinks she can’t get pregnant anymore will wind up with a 21-chromosome surprise. I’m not disputing the central point, just nitpicking semantics.

      Not that I have a dog in this fight anyway. I curb-stomped my fertility on purpose.

      [Why?]

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 3:29 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        Because I don’t ever want kids, and I got sick of the Pill. Doctor-shopped until I found one who’d give me Essure. (Many refuse to sterilize nulliparous women under a certain age, despite the fact that it’s perfectly legal.)

        [Heartiste: At what age did you first realize with clarity and conviction that you never wanted kids?]

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 3:40 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        When I was six. I didn’t even know how babies got made; I just knew I didn’t want them. The other little girls played with dolls; mine collected dust on the shelf while I played King Of the Mountain with the neighborhood boys.

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      • on December 21, 2012 at 10:03 am RappaccinisDaughter

        …Don’t know what you mean by that, Matt.

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      • Did your dad stick around? Was he a womanizer? Any history of abuse, verbal/physical/sexual? Your screen name is something of a tell — a father whose arrogance made his daughter poisonous to the touch.

        I won’t jump to conclusions, and I’m the first to agree NAWALT, but there are clinical reasons why prepubescents develop unusual and extreme approaches to their sex that last into adulthood. It’s one thing to say “kids aren’t for me.” It’s another to conceptually murder in the harshest graphic language (“curb stomp”) the most feminine thing about oneself.

        Take my drive-by psychologizing for what it’s worth: in these circumstances, obviously not much. “Where is your dad?” was a staple of the old Loveline radio show with Adam Carolla and Drew Pinsky. It was an incisive inquiry into modern sexual pathologies despite the superficial circumstances comparable to a blog comment exchange.

        Daddy’s here to help you.

        Matt

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      • ROSETTA STONE ME, MOTHAFUCKA

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      • So you’re just not feminine. Part of femininity is getting pregnant and giving birth, and women do it despite it ruining their figures, which means the drive to be a mother is so strong. However, some women lack that drive. Maybe it’s hormonal. Who knows?

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      • There are circumstances under which a woman can decide not to have children without being unfeminine. (I’m not saying any of them necessarily apply to Rap’sDaughter.) A woman can recognize she has psychological, genetic, or financial problems that would make her an unfit mother. She can be partnered to a man who does not want children with her and respect those wishes. She can be without opportunity to birth a child in a proper family until an advanced age and choose not to take the risk of older childbirth.

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      • I curb-stomped my fertility on purpose.

        To which address might I send you flowers? You are a vision.

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm RappaccinisDaughter

        666 Twisted Whore Lane, Apt. B, Eructation, Neb., 12345-1234

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      • Attn: The Debauched Woman Institute for Higher Learning.

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      • Shaming women who don’t want children?

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      • Well, someone has to shame them (per tradcons & allies).

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      • We can just freeze our eggs and then they will not degrade at all. They are equally healthy to a young woman’s eggs.

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 4:00 pm brookingstyler

        But freezing your eggs will not change the fundamental dynamics that put that pressure on women to “flower” at the right time.

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      • on December 20, 2012 at 4:28 pm Days of Broken Arrows

        According to the recent cover story in the New Republic, the jury is still out on the damage that might do to kids. The “reproductive industry” is under-regulated and doesn’t volunteer statistics. ISCI in vitros have shown “higher rates of birth defects than any other popular fertility procedure.” For the story, Google “How Older Parenthood Will Upend American Society.”

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      • Have you not read of the poor quality of in vitro fertilized offspring? All sorts of increased health problems, etc. And, eggs are not made to be frozen, so this is going to also cause problems with their fertility and ability to produce quality children. Thus, they are a lower quality eggs than a young woman’s even if frozen.

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      • It’s like Mama’s homemade lasagna vs a crappy commercial tv dinner full of processed cheese that’s been sitting in the freezer for 15 years.

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      • Only the product is people rather than meals.

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      • I’m really not trying to win an internet argument here. From the research I have done, it looks that frozen eggs from a young and healthy woman are actually equal to the real thing. The reason that in vitro fertilization produces worse off offspring is due to the confound from the people who need to use that method. They tend to be older and have fertility issues, which is most of why the offspring is worse. Also, multiple births is less healthy than a single birth.

        I will need to do a lot of research into determining the best place to have my eggs frozen. This is clearly an important matter if I ever do want to have kids.

        [Heartiste: Frozen eggs can extend the fertility years of an aging woman, but her face will still look as expired. If you just want an egg implanted to have a kid later in life, then knock yourself out (and up). But if you want to attract and lavish in the love of high quality men, frozen eggs won’t help you. For that, you need a magical elixir of youth.]

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      • Even if that is true now, soon enough it likely won’t be true. We will find a way of freezing eggs young and using them later. We can do it now, our success rates are not the same as impregnating a fertile young woman. Then these societal problems caused by mothers being older will dissipate.

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      • So long as men keep the grid viable.

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      • Look, I say more power to them. It’s better to have your own kids than adopt others’. As long as there are genetic tests to weed out deformities, it can work. Some women didn’t have the fortitude to marry young and reproduce because of the feminist thinking of our society. Many of these women are also victims of feminism, not bad women looking to exploit men.

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      • Fuck them.

        You are all fricks

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  18. on December 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm brookingstyler

    This is the biological/ evolutionary reason that teen girls are so manipulative and hell bent on finding a beau. Men manipulate too but it seems to me that that little window of time creates often dictate desperate measures for desperate times for females. I am convinced of this after looking at facebook postings from so many of these aspiring breeders.

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    • That’s how it used to be. Women used to be vultures, now not so much. Feminism relaxed them a little. But once you relax you can miss the boat, which is what’s happening with many women now.

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  19. And the only way to deal with femicunts is

    How common are they? Since I left college 6 years ago, I have never met another one. And they seem to be so far removed from me that believe that even my friends do not have femcunt friends.

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    • Unless you live in some real La-La land, I’d suggest a slightly more realistic femcunt definition is in order.

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  20. You just haven’t met me yet.

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  21. I’m glad you wrote this. It makes me think of my situation. I am thirty now, and my boyfriend is 57. He would very much like to have children with me, and we have been dating for more than 3 years (so he was 2x my age when we met). Right now, he already has adult children from his previous marriage. I rather like the fact that I do not have to play step mom to previous progeny of his.

    I worry about it though. He does exercise and he is in good shape, but I don’t want to be left with some 10 yr old kids when I am a 40 yr old widow. It is possible. He has good health now, but he did have a heart attack when he was 42 (possible due to too much cocaine). But he does not do that any more.

    It’s nice to date someone a lot older. I’ve spent much of my dating life doing so, but the age difference here daunts me.

    Heartiste, you should do it. You should have kids with you are 60+. You’ll be glad you have a young lady around when you are slowing down yourself too. She will help you with life.

    My boyfriend is not particularly alpha, but he had some common sense about life. He married a dancer from a wealthy family in his early thirties. He divorced her and took a considerable sum of money out of it.

    He made a series of good real estate decisions and ended up with 5 houses (one in the hamptons and another in greenwich village). Then he had all these resources to wine and dine me without it burdening him very much. And now maybe he’ll get to have another kid, which is what he wants. He tells me he wants a boy and that the possibility of having one has always been important to him when it comes to our relationship.

    A nice thing about dating Asiatics is that we are perfectly happy if you tell us you are dating us so you can have a son.

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    • Was hoping you’d pop in on this; was worried that I’d scared you off the discussion.

      So… what are you going to do?

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      • Remarkably, little has changed since yesterday.

        God I need more time in life. I really want to sit around in my current relationship for a few more years. I want to somehow emerge at 35 as if I were 25.

        I aim for it, yet I am doubtful I can succeed.

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      • We all want it, and none of us can have it.

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      • That was a loser relationship form the beginning. Why would a 27 year old date a 54 year old when she knew she didn’t want to end up with him? Is it the money? Now 3 years later you’re stuck in limbo, not knowing what to do, mostly because you feel bad leaving him. That’s the type of casual sex I was speaking about in the other thread. It’s a waste of time and of your body.

        In addition, could you be more delusional? You are actually contemplating staying with him until you’re 35 – wasting precious 5 years of life as if time grows in a lab. Wow! Just wow!

        Either marry him now or leave now. Don’t drag your feet and waste time. Are you able you make any decisions?

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      • ” Is it the money?

        Duh. That and the fact that he helps me with life considerably. I’m not the most street smart creature, but he is. Hence I do defer most decisions to him.

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      • Actually, I live in a lot of repressed pain or something. I don’t want to be in my relationship. It bothers me and I don’t know why I stay. I’ve become so dependent on this man and the life he gives me. I am attached to my luxury water front condo which I couldn’t possibly live in without him, weekends in mensions/summer houses in the hamptons/cape cod/fire island/berkshires, the Steinway grand (I love that thing), a guy who drives me around all the time ( I have a fear of driving, so…).

        In my conscious mind, I want out of this relationship so badly yet I have such inertia about leaving. I repress the fact that I just wasted some of my prime attractiveness on this man and in this relationship. Makes it harder for me to find a husband. I know that. I see it. And still I stay.

        I have to get out. I have to find the motivation to do this somehow.

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      • “I don’t want to be in my relationship. It bothers me and I don’t know why I stay.”
        “In my conscious mind, I want out of this relationship so badly yet I have such inertia about leaving.”

        Then why “throw more good money after bad,” so to speak? Get the fuck out of there. You’re selling yourself to the money. You’re wasting more precious years, and when you’re 35 you’ll have a harder time getting married. Leave, get a job, make your own money, and look for a viable partner. In 5 years you’ll say to yourself I wish I left 5 years ago. In 5 years he’ll be 62, do you want to be with someone that old? If the answer is no, run, don’t walk. We only have one life to live and can only live it once. That’s what I meant casual sex will be the death of a woman. It robes her of her time and her happiness. All it leaves her is emotional baggage.

        Everyone calls you a feminist, even you call yourself a feminist, but I think you’re far from that. A feminist is usually not a kept woman. You’re living like a kept woman, which is great. Don’t get me wrong. I like a man taking care of a woman. But not at the expense of her happiness. Then you’re just selling your soul to the devil, or the money, take your pick – they are equal.

        “I am attached to my luxury water front condo which I couldn’t possibly live in without him, weekends in mensions/summer houses in the hamptons/cape cod/fire island/berkshires, the Steinway grand (I love that thing), a guy who drives me around all the time ( I have a fear of driving, so…).”

        You’re comfortable with this life you found for yourself. You’re complacent. You don’t want to make a change and face the unknown. These feelings plagues everyone. So it takes real discipline to raise above it and create change in your life where you’re the true catalyst of that change. If you really value the possessions and the luxuries more than your long-term happiness, then stay – get married and have a baby. Don’t waste time. Resign to the fact that you made this exchange. If you feel that you can’t really do this with him, then you need to leave. It’s not fair to you or to him. At the end of the day, it’s what you value more – the creature comforts, the luxury, the money, or being with a man that fulfills you physically and emotionally.

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      • My advice: Stay with your current lover. Try to extract some money out of the relationship so you have some sort of security in case he suddenly dies.

        Other than that enjoy your life as much as you can. If you absolutly want a kid, have this kid with your current guy. Girls can be tricky in that department and so can you.

        Leaving him at the age of 30 something will leave you alone, pretty old for the marriage market, moneyless, jobless(?) and outside your current living standards.
        The only men you could possibly get would be far, far below the social level you currently have. What do you think? The good looking, rich alpha guys will jump on the opportunity to marry a 30something poor ex-maitress? Get real.

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    • awww….our little [email protected]’s all grown up now.

      i told you those new meds would work.

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    • FeministX
      but he did have a heart attack when he was 42 (possible due to too much cocaine).
      ————–

      My nigga!

      were you fuckin him at the time?

      Came and went at the same time!

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    • “A nice thing about dating Asiatics is that we are perfectly happy if you tell us you are dating us so you can have a son.”

      ??

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  22. on December 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm Jokah Macpherson

    My dad was 47 when I was born and didn’t have any trouble roughhousing or playing catch with me as a kid so I am generally dismissive of people who argue that older men are not cut out for fatherhood. It was actually kind of nice since he retired earlier in my life than most other kids’ dads and was around at home during my teenage years.

    The genetic load study kind of surprised me because I had planned on going the same route and now I’m worried that two generations of old dads will make things too risky. On the other hand, it might be a little early to draw sweeping conclusions on the subject.

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  23. I am thirty now, and my boyfriend is 57

    Wow.

    Anyway, people will complain that he is not representative, but here it goes. The man, the legend.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/silvio-berlusconi/9740323/Meet-Silvio-Berlusconis-new-girlfriend-Francesca-Pascale-50-years-his-junior.html

    Forza, Italia! Viva Berlusconi!

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  24. I hope I can continue to have children well into my 40s.

    I do think that having children young is the best thing to do. I had my first when I was 18 and all of my pregnancies and labors have been easy and relatively fast.

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    • If White Woman did not exist, it would be necessary to invent her.

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      • Give me 5000 of her kind and I will build a nation.

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      • Thank you for the compliments. If I were a parragon of virtue, however, I wouldn’t be posting on a site like chateau heartiste. Best not compliment me too much or you’ll feed my narcissism.

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      • Havens no!!! She sounds like an ignorant white trash, not a white woman of substance and valor.

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      • See, this is the thing I don’t get. There are millions of European women out there, and for the variety lovers, lots of mixed ones too, who have all the right physical features a European man who loves himself and loves his extended folk, love to look at who are not harpies. Why do the so called White nationalists invariably whoop up the harpies?

        I really don’t understand it, but my best educated guess is that the White nationalism itself is born of self pity and self hatred to a degree that they feel some need to punish themselves by submitting to an ill tempered shrew. It’s not enough of a sacrifice if they are with a woman who simply states she loves her men and feels a need to be loyal to them in general. They don’t go to the historical reenactors and find a sturdy but wirey ginger-blonde firecracker (pardon the pun).

        No, they go for the ones sure to make them miserable and beat their kids until they turn emo. Why?

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      • Keep guessing, Karnac. You’re not close.

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      • Please, Matt, explain what is the marital attraction of future grandmother functioning as the mother of a brood of fatherless layabouts over a future mother of some kids responsible enough to hunt with their dad?

        See, because when Black people and Native Americans do such things, we are sure they hate themselves or pity themselves to a point that failure becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. This is, I believe, a fair assumption to make about people who are attracted to misery and the miserable.

        Is it not?

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      • No, they go for the ones sure to make them miserable and beat their kids until they turn emo. Why?

        Maybe because that’s all that’s available in their social circle. Although, it is true that some men seem to always end up, if not necessarily seek out, the worst possible woman they run into. My dad knows a few guys like this.

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  25. The ideal scenario:
    Guy meets girl, sometime in their late teens to 20’s, they mutually fall in luv, get married, have kids, blah blah blah.
    The problem with ideal scenarios is that they don’t work out for everyone, in fact, they tend to be kinda rare.
    I have heard repeatedly that the age of the mother is vastly more important to the health of any offspring than the age of the father, things tend to get riskier after 35 or so. Doesn’t mean a 40-year old woman can’t have normal kids, but she is, to some extent, playing biological roulette.
    Men aging better than women….well, I’d say *some* men age better than *most* women. There are TON of beer-gutted, triple-jowled video gamers and couch athletes who think of golf and bowling as ‘sports’. If men who exercise have ‘faster’ sperm, their sperm swim about as fast as a dead snail in a dry ditch.
    Also true is the mega-stinkeye – and often verbal abuse – men get from women their age or older if they as much as *look* at females more than maybe 2 years younger than themselves. Many men are completely cowed by this.
    Most of what I see in reality are that women ages 16-55 tend to go for men ages 16-30, *unless* the man stands out in a major way, most often this means he’s loaded and/or some sort of celebrity.

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    • “couch athletes ”

      I’ve been out a lot lately but I never heard that one.

      LMAO

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    • Most feminine women don’t want to date younger men. But most don’t want to date men 25 years their senior either. Moderation is the name of the game. Why is it all or nothing with some of you guys?

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      • You better send ’em the rulebook then, ’cause they’re not playing the game right.
        Many perfectly feminine 30-50-somethings have no problem whatsoever throwing themselves at the 22-year old bartenders, football players, fire fighters, etc.
        Who are usually busy being also wanted by the 20-something hotties.

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  26. What if he dumps FemX blaming it on his parents, who won’t accept an Asian?

    And then finds another Asian 30 yo?

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    • He’s old, dude. Parents are dead.

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    • A couple of Jewish guys did that to me, and owe their lives to my daughter and my continued health. Were it not for her, the first wouldn’t have survived to find another, and the second wouldn’t have happened. Either I’d have gotten him or someone in my family would have.

      You probably wouldn’t understand the seriousness of that kind of insult to one’s blood, but if a guy is that much of a punk, he needs putting out of his misery.

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  27. That 3rd paragraph made me lol. Good work.

    I’m thinking about knocking one out at a sperm bank. That way my genes live on but I’m not burdened with any responsibilities, financial or otherwise.

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  28. Good links, tho surprising this needs proving to anyone at this point. I thought it was common knowledge. Hell, the Sims game my niece plays has it as a gameplay mechanic – “elder males” can mate, “elder females” cannot. I guess some people will cling to their delusions no matter what.

    I do think there can be dangers to a man sleeping around for a long time – but only to those males who say they want to marry a sweet young virgin one day and have her be faithful. Of course, many alphas don’t care about this at all, so they don’t have to worry a bit 🙂 A luxury most women don’t have. Perhaps the dudes who do want that are betas?

    I think its naive for anyone, male or female, to think they can be a slut their whole life and then marry a faithful virgin. Society tells us all that sluts are untrustworthy so male sluts are just as likely to end up with a cheating used up slut as female sluts are.

    Hmm but yeah this is definitely a beta problem I think. Because if a man sleeps with only high quality women, he’s not as much of a slut. It’s the guys who go home with old fat chicks at bars that become untouchable sluts to women. I guess its mostly betas that have to settle for that stank vag, yes?

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  29. I’m 52, my wife is 26. Our daughter (first for both of us) was born 7 weeks ago and is doing just fine. I look forward to having many descendants.

    My wife is from Ghana. Women there still want to get married and have a family. Feminism has not completely taken hold in West Africa. There is not enough money there for the massive wealth transfers necessary to support it.

    I have given up on American girls. A foreign bride is the best choice if you are careful and patient.

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  30. I am 55. My grandfather was born in 1870. My dad turned 91 today, just got off the phone with him. Throwing that out there for your edification.

    What’s that? Put ’em up punk! I’ll kick your young ass. What, are you chicken?

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    • My great-grandfather was born in 1832 (his brother fought in War Between the States), grandfather in 1888 (WWI), am decade+ younger than you.

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      • My great-grandfather was born in 1830. He was a Captain in the Missouri Union Militia during the Civil War. His brother-in-law was Captain of the Confederate Militia in the same town. The Missouri conflict was exceptionally brutal. His father fought in the War of 1812, had 12 children, and his grandfather was an officer in The Revolution, and he had 3 wives and numerous offspring. I met a lady in Albuquerque who had a daguerrotype of my g-g-grandfather taken around 1850 and his wife, who looked a little worn from all the children. My grandfather’s first cousin ran a general store in a gold mining town in New Mexico that was popular with “Billy the Kid” for its numerous brothels and saloons. I visited the ghost town with my sons and brought back some bricks and glass from the ruins of the store, a real treat. Later we drove the rental car over 100mph through the desert.

        BTW, I recently finished “Hitler’s Hangman” about Reinhard Heydrich. When I was in the Army many years ago the “brothers” insisted on calling me “Hermann” after TV’s Hermann Munster because I was 6’3″ with the classic square-head that I inherited from my half-Swedish half-Mestizo grandmother, who my grandfather married at age 50, when she was 19, as he worked for the railroad in Mexico before the Mexicans nationalized it.

        My father had an interesting life also, and I stole on of his stories for a Spearhead essay last year :

        http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/06/19/a-trip-to-the-brothel-a-fathers-day-story

        When he was stationed in Sevillle, Spain in the 1950s he dealt with none other than Juan DeGrelle, the Belgian Nazi party boss and leader of the Walloons SS that the Belgians had sentenced to death in absentia, and was living in Spain under the name “Juan Sanchez”. Hitler told DeGrelle that he was like a son to him.

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  31. With respect to diet, I have read anecdotes that going paleo does help fertility somewhat for older women.

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    • on December 22, 2012 at 1:01 am Johnny Caustic

      Dr. Michael Eades has written in his blog that he had many, many patients who suddenly got pregnant (after years of trying) the moment they started low-carbing.

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  32. When I was born, my father was 39, mother 36. But my Mom was also one of those types of Irish descent that take forever to age — same with her eggs, apparently — and Dad thought she was 24 when he met her.

    (Irish and British women are routinely, and justifiably, dumped upon, but they do have one major advantage that I’ve noticed: possibly due to somewhat higher testosterone levels than other white women, the better-looking specimens age more slowly. Keep that in mind.)

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  33. Soteriology? That is a very delicate concept to bring into this dive-bar of a comment thread. I mean, SALVATION? Are you the least bit serious? If you were and you think such a thing is on offer, why you not use some good English words that might be understood?
    Sweet pussy and gorgeous children do not need to be translated.

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  34. 100% Italian….. like a 30% Dacian whore, plus 30% Visigoth sperm donation in 426 Ce, 25% Celtic bull driver just passing thru, iin the 11th century 15 % gypsie fortune teller. and most of the traikl rest was from sergeant major from the English Midlands who survived all the fighting and learned to dance pretty

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  35. Hahaha

    It must be horrifying to a woman if her husband is constantly like, “Ahh well, gonna go rub one out and blow a load”

    when she is dried up he has ten gun salutes to spare. Spin hamster spin.

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  36. You didn’t mention the biggest advantage to being a older father: longer telomeres. (which give a healthier and longer life). The telomeres in sperm get longer with age.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/11/news/la-heb-older-grandfather-longer-telomeres-20120611

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  37. I knew it. I just knew it. Why does the media lie too us and tell us the opposite?

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  38. true as shit!

    yesterday dated 35-old (my bad, only excuse I have is i was giving demo to newbie pua and she looked 7hb)

    bulletpoints:
    -adjusted 7hb to 6hb (fuckable treeshold), she was hard 9hb when younger (saw photos)
    -reasonably fit, lots of testosteron (fingers length test)
    -divorced, tank-girl from blue city
    -first hour rambling how guys do not want to commit
    -next few hours rambling how independent she is
    -word ‘babies’ mentioned 8 times, word ‘spermbank’ used twice
    -still playing coy and ‘i want to be seduced’ shit
    -escalated to kiss close only, probably will go for fclose with kevlar condom next time and next if not
    -not sure if i want to date her again

    lesson here – even 9hb will fall hard

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  39. I think you may be the only person on Earth who believes that Irish and British women age well in comparison to any other kind of woman.

    Thw whiter they are, the faster they age. Unfortunately.

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  40. You didn’t mention the biggest advantage to being a older father: longer telomeres. (which give a healthier and longer life). The telomeres in sperm get longer with age.

    this is why I come to this blog. Here am I, stoned as usual in Fridays, having slpet 3 hours and now going through a “moral hangover” about when I will leave this life , after 11 years of it… And I read that sperm gets better with age. Now I have another answer for my married friends once they ask me when I will finally leave the party life

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  41. Only positive of being a younger parent is still being “cool” when they reach their 20s and having energy to play sports and run around with them in their early years. I say plant seeds from the minute you can. Look at Gengis khan.

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  42. “I’ll wait until I’m older to have kids.”

    Only in the degenerate safety of modern civilization.

    You could always die tomorrow, so best breed ASAP. THAT is Nature’s command.

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  43. One day in the distant future, a hard copy of this thread will be discovered and decoded per some future “Rosetta Stone” as a fragment of a lost comedy.

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  44. on December 22, 2012 at 4:51 pm gregory cochran

    There is a fly in the ointment. The full weight of cultural Marxism will weigh against this. The result is that women willing to engage in this lifestyle will be “outliers” in the sense that they are rare. Often they will have these traits:
    1) have daddy issues
    2) be reactionaries romantics weened on Jane Eyre
    3) loathe the “here-and-now” fun of the hookup culture
    4) too mature for their peers (generally employed by 18)
    5) lower middle class or lower (financial fear)

    A girl who has a few of these five traits will be popping pups by 25.

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  45. Not necessarily true, NiteLily. I am quite feminine, in voice, in face and body, in style, demeanor and dating preferences. But i do not want children. I am also, unfortunately, very fertile. For some women, their figure is more important, as is their freedom to be feminine and carefree. If anything, you might say we lack maturity. I see giving birth as a mature, matronly femininity. We all become the crone eventually, forced to be content with the wisdom and family we have acquired. But some of us prefer to remain the maiden until then rather than becoming the mother. Manly men who don’t want children do enjoy this trait! I don’t think it is necessarily a problem with ones femininity. And giving birth is not the only way to cultivate a family and enrich younger generations. It is also not the only way to create.

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  46. Other than being physically strenuous? Nothing wrong with older fatherhood in my opinion. More mature, experienced, game&relationship savvy, less career-busy and communication-awkward fathers ftw.

    Thing is, age gaps tend to be tricky in relationships. The father would have to deal with the age-gap between him and his partner first. Relationships rub off on kids.

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  47. Advanced paternal age increases the risk of miscarriage, as well as Downs syndrome, schizophrenia, autism, decreased intellectual capacity, and bipolar disorder

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    • Increases in what proportion?
      If it goes from 1% to 2%, it’s a 100% increase but it means nothing.

      Women, on the other hand…

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      • lol
        Obviously flawed PC study because the data involves older men banging their middle-aged WIVES or random conquests past their fertility prime.

        Show me a study of older men banging early 20 year old hotties and we’ll hopefully talk again about it.

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      • “Dr. Fisch, author of ”The Male Biological Clock,” analyzed a New York State database of births and found that older fathers added to the risk of having a baby with Down syndrome if the mother was over 35″

        lol

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      • While I think Elta is a complete delusional feminist, I think your argument is also a bit flawed. Most 45 year-old men + (as discussed by this article) are not dating 20 year olds. So there is no such viable study, and even if there was, it’s irrelevant since most much-older men are not dating such young women barely out of their teens.

        Most men 45-55 year-olds are dating women in their 30s and early 40s. They are not dating women their age, but they are rarely dating women who are 20-25 years ++++ younger either. I think a man can still find many interested women who are up to 15-years his junior, but a bigger age gap is really reserved for men that have a lot more to offer in order to entice women with a much-larger age difference, such as money fame, power, status, which are all aphrodisiacs to women, BTW, and which is why women will abdicate their age-difference concerns in favor of mating with such older man. But regular middle-aged men are hardly able to find 20 year-old mates. That’s why I say there is a time and a place for everything. If you like younger women and want a younger wife, get married in your 30s. Don’t let yourself get much older before you decide you want to settle down. I know some of you said you will never marry. Fine. It’s your conscious decision to make, but don’t cry over it later. Everything has a price, and none of us can get off Scott free -every decision we make has consequences.

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      • Flawed, eh?

        Opinion is opinion till proven as fact.

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  48. More important than most people think. Brilliant.

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  49. Those of you who think it’s only advanced maternal age that affects the odds of things going wrong, start reading up, boys and girls.

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