October 2009 Beta Of The Month

Gentlemen, grab your cat o’ nine tails because we’re in for another round of beta lashings. Deliver these betas from their trespasses and lead them not unto self-constructed torment. Sweet, sweet deliverance.

It was a tight race, but the winner by a plurality of the September 2009 BOTM was the sad sack husband who is aware of and tolerates his wife’s repeatedly consorting with serial killer Richard Ramirez. Tolerance is such a beta virtue. Congratulations, sir, for helping to teach men the world over that the way to a woman’s heart is through an ear to ear throat slit. Preferably more than once.

October 2009 BOTM Candidate #1 was submitted by Johnny Gage.

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Amusing? Yeah, sure. Will make other women go “Awwww”? Probably. Beta? You beta believe it!

Just because something is attention grabbing, doesn’t mean you should do it. Anyone want to bet this guy’s wife rocks 200+ pounds?

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October 2009 BOTM Candidate #2 was gleefully submitted by waysa. It’s a New York Beta Times wedding story about a Croatian tennis pro who threw away his alpha capital by marrying an older single mom. Just flushed it right down the toilet. There are so many great quotes in this article. Let’s examine the kind of prize that tennis pro Marko Zelenovic foolishly decided to hitch his Croat balls to:

At 18, [Brooke ALexander] arrived in New York on a one-way plane ticket. By the time she was 39, she had a successful career as a model and soap opera actress, a sunny one-bedroom apartment on the Upper West Side and a big circle of friends she calls her ‘ohana (Hawaiian for family). Yet she yearned to be a mother, and was known to wear a T-shirt with the message, “I can’t believe I forgot to have children.”

She was the last person anyone thought would be single at 39. “Why would this gorgeous, talented, amazing woman be alone?” said Bill Block, a film producer and friend. “She loved the rockers, the great-looking bad boys, and they never panned out.”

She’s like a character straight out of a CH novel, except I didn’t make her up.

But wait, it gets better.

She forged ahead and joined Single Mom by Choice, an organization that guides single women through the process of becoming mothers. “I knew we’re given one life and if there’s something incredibly important to you and there’s an open door, go through it and give it everything you got,” Ms. Alexander said. The organization helped her find a sperm donor and on Jan. 8, 2004, she gave birth to a son, Jace, in a room full of female friends. “I wasn’t alone,” she said. “I just didn’t have a husband.”

When Jace was a year old, Ms. Alexander started thinking about dating again. She placed an online ad, which was a disillusioning experience.

Disillusioning? You don’t say? Now I wonder why (40s) she would have such trouble (40s, bastard kid) finding a guy willing to stick around (40s, bastard kid, fucked in the head yupster)?

The dude she eventually lucked out with (and I mean she hit the goddamn lottery. She should be making nightly sacrifices to the god of biomechanics.):

Then, in November 2005, a friend said she wanted to introduce her to Marko Zelenovic, a handsome tennis pro from Croatia who is known among his clients as the Croatian Sensation.

Her friend persuaded her to have lunch with Mr. Zelenovic. “He was in a banquette, facing the wall, not looking around the room,” Ms. Alexander, now 46, recalled. “He was a gentleman, waiting for his date.”

Paper alpha.

“I was very aware of the first time his knee pressed up against mine,” she said. “It was like two magnets connected.”They were rarely apart after that. “I spent a lot of money on baby sitters,” she said.

Future juvenile delinquent and paint huffer.

He moved into her apartment soon after they met, where he slept on her couch for three years, out of respect for Jace.

Wait, isn’t the kid like, 2 years old at this point? What kid that young will understand the concept of respect, or even what goes on in his mother’s bedroom? Jesus, the New York Beta Times knows how to induce projectile vomiting.

“The love I have for Marko is very quiet, very deep and very rooted,” Ms. Alexander said.

Ever notice how the most high-falutin’ pseudo-profound words are used to describe the most strained, mature sort of love? Real heart-squeezing and gut-rending love, the kind that feels like a drug, is never described in this way by young people who are actually experiencing it. I’m reminded again how often “grown-up” dating and falling in love resembles a business proposition rather than an electric emotional rollercoaster.

Mr. Zelenovic says he fell in love with Ms. Alexander because of Jace, not in spite of him. “Honest to God, Jace was an asset,” he said. “The kid, for me, is pure joy. He’s someone I want to be with all the time.”

Still, Ms. Alexander admits she “put Marko through the paces” and “spent about a year analyzing whether or not he was a fit role model for my son.”

The exquisite betatude of the nonjudgemental cuckold in waiting. It’s a self-parody. There’s something wrong with this Croat that the NYBTimes isn’t telling us. Mentally unbalanced? Broke? Micropenis? The truth is out there.

Can it get more pathetic? Yes, it can:

He brought up the subject of marriage a few times; she always changed the subject. “It was like, what is holding me back?” Ms. Alexander said. “It was the mother wolf. It was really hard for me to give up my single motherhood and let Marko in.”

No one ever went broke underestimating the betaness of the man who repeatedly begs for marriage. From a cougar. With cub.

The couple are now expanding their apartment into a two-bedroom. Mr. Zelenovic said he told his bride, “I’ve spent three NBA seasons on your couch. I’m not spending a fourth.”

Oh, you will be dude. At least you’ve gotten plenty of practice.

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October 2009 BOTM Candidate #3 was submitted by Cless Alvein. It’s a Youtube video about Establishedmen.com, an internet website that brings wealthy older men together with hot young women. The proprietor of the website is a good-looking chick who is essentially a pimp. She kind of has a face that makes me want to punch her in the mouth. See if you agree with me.

I was hesitant to include this submission, because the beta rolls would be filled with millions of men if we included every guy who spends money on hookers (which is basically what the girls in this video are). But watch from 6:35 onward. You’ll get a glimpse at what a true paper alpha is — a conventionally alpha man (powerful, wealthy) who has no game and instead lavishes insipid compliments like “you’re gorgeous” and must spend tens of thousands of dollars over the first three dates to get any action. This is the all-too-often accurate face of the well-to-do man who solicits prostitutes — alpha in his dealings with men, beta in his dealings with women.

While it’s not necessarily beta to pay for sex, it is a leading indicator of betaness. If you are a wealthy man with money to burn, it makes sense to dump a wad of cash on a woman to pry open her legs with the minimal effort, but you should never comport yourself like a beta. Go ahead and buy the whore expensive jewelry if it gets you off, but always do so with an alpha demeanor. This ensures two things: One, if you lose your money you’ll have womanizing skills to fall back on, and, two, if you act like an alpha there is a good chance the whore might truly fall in love with you and not just your wallet.

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The voting:

Who is the October 2009 Beta of the Month winner?



Note: Reader “Nicker” had emailed me a video of a pasty-face, plump-lipped, fat guy expressing his undying love and devotion for his girlfriend who was away. It was, without a doubt, the MOST sickeningly beta thing I have seen or heard about in years, and that is saying a lot. I believe he would have run away with the Beta of the Year contest. Unfortunately, just days after I viewed the video, fat dude pulled it. If any reader happens to know what video I’m talking about and has it saved somewhere, please email it to me. What a shame that such beautiful betaness should be denied the world’s mockery.





Comments


  1. No clear winners this month. I will have to go with the “my wife rocks” guy simply because he reminds me of a few smug morons I met over the years.

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  2. The Croat wins. He might as well be wearing the “my wife rocks” shirt, but he *should* have options. One can only hope he’s only with the old broad because she’s already senile enough to be unaware of his extracurricular daliances.

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  3. “Real heart-squeezing and gut-rending love, the kind that feels like a drug, is never described in this way by young people who are actually experiencing it.”

    good insight. fledgling love is fueled by a drug – oxytocin maybe? I can’t remember. A “mature” love has to be rationalized to be accepted. They make pro/con lists when weighing their option whereas those in new love can have all the cons in the world against it, but they aren’t thinking rationally.

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  4. guy number 2 for sure. shit, for all u know guy number 1 could just be wearing that as a joke. can’t assume anything about him until you know how he is like in person.

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  5. That video was horrid to watch. Especially the last minute. But I do love the reporter. He nailed all the parties involved, Roissy style.

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  6. I chose the tennis player – but I was tempted to vote for candidate one, due to that shit-eating grin on his face.

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  7. A man who treats a woman better than she treats him is not sympathetic.

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  8. On Guy number 2.

    a) He’s not really a tennis pro he’s a tennis coach, probably networking his way into the rich people circle.

    http://markozelenovic.usptapro.com/

    May be he played a few professional tournaments, but sucked and had to settle for coaching. There’s nothing on him on the ATP page.

    b) He gets the right wife for the job, teaches tennis to other rich wives (and probably does them, too) and gets a lot of money and free board. He also gets his green card upgrade when he marries her.

    I think he could be beta or not, he could also be a male gold-digger.

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  9. on November 6, 2009 at 4:47 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    This is no contest. The Croat gets it.

    The proprietor of the website is a good-looking chick who is essentially a pimp.

    Don’t you mean “madam”?

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  10. It’s not #1, who’s wearing a T-shirt praising his wife – it’s beta, but not BOTM worthy. So that leaves #2 and #3:

    #2. Pros toward BOTM: goes after old hag. Old hag has already had a baby. The baby is by a sperm donor. He’s good looking. He’s famous. He sleeps on her couch for 3 years. He tries to put his foot down for year #4 with potentially uneven results. She isn’t that into him. He could do better. She’s over the hill and a stupid rationalizing whore. This is pretty fucked up. Cons toward BOTM: high market value so he can do better when this fails. Or is this a pro given his high market value?

    #3: Pros toward BOTM: He spends $10k on her when she isn’t even putting out for him. He’s decently looking, but completely nerdy. Has no understanding of game. Will never have understanding of game. Is perfectly fine putting out loads of cash for the hopes of pussy in return. Complete petalization. Cons toward BOTM: has a lot of money so spending some doesn’t mean much to him. But why doesn’t he just hire a whore? Smacks of desperation.

    While I voted #3 for BOTM, because I have a personal hatred toward goal diggers, ultimately it’s #2 who’s the BOTM due to the extent of his options. #3’s just a super-nerd who has to beg for pussy. #2’s a paper alpha who ends up looking like an omega.

    Winner of BOTM: #2.

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  11. You do not pay alimony or child support to escorts.

    The best part about escorts is that you have to never see them again (or talk to them again) if you don’t want to..

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  12. on November 6, 2009 at 4:56 pm Steve Johnson

    #2 is a man that the game world recognizes as a man likely to be alpha. #3 is a man that the conventional world thinks is alpha.

    The conventional world is wrong. #3 is actually super beta and acts like it.

    #2 violates our expectations and acts beta when he’s got better options. For me, this makes him BOTM.

    #1 is out of the running. He’s beta but we have no idea if he should be doing better for himself. He’s just Joe Average with really poor judgment, not BOTM worth (or anything OTM worthy, really).

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  13. Croat FTW because he loses in life.

    Beta #1. At least he’s not wearing an Ed Hardy shirt……for me to poop on!

    Beta #3. I’ll bet 10K the prostitute/actress in the vid jumps at the first chance of an upgrade with someone making real money. 500k isn’t that much for the lifestyle he’s pushing.

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  14. Roissy, it’s Simone Cohen’s lantern jaw that begs to be punched. I don’t find her attractive at all.

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  15. Yeah, I was going to say the tennis pro, but read Il Capo’s comments.

    If he was a tennis pro on the tour, then he would have ran away with the title. Tennis pro’s are huge playboys and very formidable competition, even for the most seasoned G’s.

    If she has mad dough, then “tennis coach” boy might be pulling off a heist.

    International Playboy style.

    – MPM

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  16. Number 2, by far.

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  17. No stronger contenders this month.

    The first guy no doubt is a huge beta, but we only have one fucking shot of him. We just don’t know enough.

    The second guy is a pretty classic run of the mill beta and wins on that.

    The third group really isnt that bed…I would assume many of them have wives and are just doing that on the side.

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  18. “That video was horrid to watch. Especially the last minute. But I do love the reporter. He nailed all the parties involved, Roissy style.”

    That looks like it’s Martin Bashir, the guy who did the documentary that shined a reality light on Michael Jackson.

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  19. The most hilarious part of the video is the serious intonation the Paki-English guy describing this as some out-there, freakish “the world is doomed” concept.

    Let’s be real: most beta relationships are cash-and-servitude-for-rare-sex (rarely). This canadian stripper (probably former escort too–the reporter and her both imply it) bitch just cut out a lot of the bullshit for betas.

    In fact, for a beta, this is a partial boon. It clarifies his role in his relationships, and actually gives him a bit of power: bitch, I am paying for you, so you’d better put out and look good, since I can go find another 26 year old wanna be actress to suck my dick for a trip to Wolfgang Puck’s.

    It’s the way to servitude, but many rich betas will take this road before learning game—many are philosophically opposed to game in the same way they are opposed to ever even considering that most black males are in prison because they committed crimes–no, it has to be racism!

    In the end, betas accept postulates like blacks are oppressed due to racism, game is bad but buying things to get laid is a relationship, etc. Such postulates—like all postulates, accepted without question—-make it impossible for a beta to learn game. And, like Plato’s parable fo the caves, show them the truth, and they will kill the messenger and go right back to the darkness.

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  20. I was hoping for a paper alpha female 🙂

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  21. My wife…..
    R oots
    O ther
    C ocks
    K nackish
    S lut

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  22. I know a guy who would give these guys a serious run for the money.

    He updates his facebook every couple of days with some variation of:

    “Missing my Jill”

    “Loving my little cheerleader” (she’s in her 40’s…maybe 20 years ago dude)

    “Loving my hometown Barbie”

    “Heading out for a romantic weekend with the love of my life”

    This, after he came home from work one day last year to discover that his wife of 20 years had cleaned out his bank account and moved 1500 miles away.

    What a pussy.

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  23. I voted for #3 but 2 was a cunt hair away from the title. Does that fool realize what grade of hooker he can get with 10Gs!

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  24. Zunder:

    Z: Zebra-faced

    U: Uninformed

    N: Nutless

    D: Dumb

    E: Eegit

    R: Retard

    Have fun fucking sheep, tard!

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  25. Lurker

    L: lol

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  26. I had a hard time deciding between the Croat and the millionaire but eventually went with the european. Anyone who spends 2 years sleeping on his girlfriends couch should be castrated so his beta genes can’t spread.

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  27. on November 6, 2009 at 5:34 pm Cannon's Canon

    tennis is for fags

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  28. Number 3 is nothing short of pathetic. He’s doing everything wrong and is getting taken to the cleaner’s for it.

    Perhaps the most disturbing thing is how pleasantly comfortable his butterface trophy whore is in emptying his wallet. Any man who understands game will surely cringe when hearing his lickspittle compliments to her –which they both surely use to rationalize his financial prostration to her.

    He’s not just putting her on a pedestal, he’s commissioned it to be milled out of solid gold and encrusted with diamonds. $10,000 dropped on a woman you just met is the HEIGHT of betatude, whether you can afford it or not.

    The wost part? He’s not even getting a good deal for the kind of money he’s dropping. Since the girl is never ever going to respect you, at least make sure when you fuck her, she’s a 10 and not a goofy-faced 8 with a fake rack.

    This bitch will turn tail (literally) and fuck impoverished badboys while simultaneously continuing the climb up her gold digger ladder.

    He wins BOTM because while the tennis pro is shoving his dick into a mid-40s sandpaper factory, and playing role-model for her bastard son, an alpha isn’t judged by the women he is fucking but by the women he could fuck.

    Rich guy couldn’t even find a gold digging whore in SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA without paying a middleman whore-cum-pimp to do it. Its double beta fail.

    As Roissy has said before, its much more gratifying sex when she wants it. You can buy compliance, but you can’t buy desire.

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  29. LOL lurker, baby.

    L imbaugh
    U rges
    R ectal
    K lingon
    E masuclated
    R epublicans
    ….to make him the presidential nominee 2012

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  30. It’s not quite as sickening as the example of the Croatian Prostration, but what was Agassi doing with Streisand? Notice that on this page the couple comparison doesn’t include ‘age.’ Birth of Agassi? 1970. Birth of Babs? 1942!!!!!!! That’s before Honda was incorporated. People still used Brylcreem!

    http://www.whosdatedwho.com/celebrities/couples/profile/andre-agassi-and-barbra-streisand.htm

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  31. STOP THE CONTEST! We have a late entry:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnap_scheme_wife

    A wealthy health care executive came home one night in September to find a terrifying note from his wife, Quinn Gray: The 37-year-old housewife and mother of two had been abducted from her posh Florida beach community.

    “There are three men holding me right now and they want $50,000 cash,” Gray wrote. “Do not do anything stupid. NO COPS!”

    Authorities say the 25-year-old mechanic charged with trying to extort thousands from Gray’s husband wasn’t her captor — but her accomplice and lover. Her husband, however, has stuck by his wife’s side.

    […]

    Interestingly, Gray’s husband — the owner of a home health care company who detailed the couple’s long, painful history of marital infidelity during hours of police interviews — is standing by his wife. Against the advice of friends and family, he is not seeking a divorce.

    “I love my family,” Reid Gray wrote in a statement to the media. “And will do whatever I can to make sure that Quinn receives all of the help and support that she needs.”

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  32. As someone said, it is a tough choice but I have to pick number three. Anyone who would pay that much money for the pretense of a “relationship” is an idiot, a loser and needs to be castrated. If I pay 10,000 for a woman, it is going to be 10,000 worth of pure, raw, uninhibited sex, and nothing but sex. No jewelry, no trips to Vegas, no ridiculous hand holding walks down the shopping mall. No, the only place she will visit is my bed and my cock. If she does not agree to those terms, I will find another whore to satisfy my needs.

    Plus look at this guy. He is a loser when it comes to women. You can imagine how these girls must be laughing behind their backs at what losers these guys are. Is that worth all that money?

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  33. One of these days I’d like to nominate myself for beta of the month, but that doesn’t seem like a very polite thing to do. I mean, can you do something like that? Is it ok?

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  34. Great… my WordPress-assigned symbol looks like a backwards, teletubby-ized Swastika.

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  35. Agassi was a celebrity whore. He’s always wanted to break out of the tennis-gulag that keeps tennis players from being as famous as, say, basketball or football players.

    He hooked up with Babs because:
    1) shock and awe to get headlines (young hottie with old ugly hag!);

    2) Babs is in with the gays ina big way,a nd the rule is :”First the gays come, then the teenage girls, and then fame.”;

    and 3) Babs is also big witht he Jew-Mom set from the 60s and 70s and 80s, who are country club whores. He was playing to the base/fantasy of young tennis pro teaching older country club hag a few tricks during tennis lessons.

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  36. Cannon’s Canon, YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS?!
    Some tennis players are indeed Alpha.

    Ilie Nastase = tennis player = alpha max

    “Ilie Nastase permanently etched the template for tennis bad boys, setting the standard against which all are measured today. His exploits on and off the court are legendary”.

    “The most staggering feat credited to the romantic Romanian is that he slept with over 2,500 women”

    ………. more at:
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/223389-tennis-bad-boys-nasty-nastase-leader-of-the-pack

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  37. Wrong again, baby. lol. Limbaugh has long said he wants no aprt of being a politician—he is a commentator, not a politician.

    But try again with your ignorance, baby. Keep never looking at facts, and socialism works!

    Zapped out
    Unintelligent
    No clue
    Dumbass
    Exciteable
    Rectal-lover.

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  38. Zunder the Dunder:
    I know in NZ the height of manliness is being fucked up the ass by your wife with a black dildo,

    but “tennis badboy” is like “smartest kid in special ed.” Really not expecting much in the first place.

    Most “tennis badboys” are whiny bitches (John McEnroe). No cock to them…just like you, baby.

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  39. Well, Lurker, that will leave you and Rush more time to carry on your torrid affair.

    But don’t let the 300lb missus find out.

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  40. I voted for two because of R’s writing. “Now I wonder why (40s) she would have such trouble (40s, bastard kid) finding a guy willing to stick around (40s, bastard kid, fucked in the head yupster)?”
    Knowingly and willingly marrying a 40 year old fucked in the head yupster with a test tube kid? ugh.
    A little side point, whenever they show Eli Manning’s wife on football games, I point out that he knowingly married her on purpose…

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  41. Roissy,

    Any chance that the backside of that t-shirt, ‘My wife rocks,’ – it has a comma btw – says, ‘my cock’ or something like that? Yea, he does look like he’s at a PTA meeting or something, but we could just have a shot of the frontside of a redneck asshole…??

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  42. lol Zunder the dunder. Your mom isn’t joining us. But why leave so soon—-did the flock just back from the pasture, baby?

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  43. Scratch that. Just googled ‘my wife rocks t-shirt’. That’s a fucking exclamation point. Dumb Croate fucker gets the vote….

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  44. … I thought the Croatian was sweet…

    Ozymandias, Resident Lover of Betas.

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  45. 3) Babs is also big with the Jew-Mom set from the 60s and 70s and 80s, who are country club whores. He was playing to the base/fantasy of young tennis pro teaching older country club hag a few tricks during tennis lessons.

    I don’t know why this would help him in business or pleasure… except for the most tangential of reasons.

    I think ‘Croatian Castration’ might be better than ‘Croatian Prostration.’

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  46. Funny story — after voting for BOTM I wandered over to EstablishedMen and established a throwaway account of my own.

    I was immediately shown a photo of a cute girl I used to casually fuck (re: not date). Living in a medium-sized city will do that.

    Hilarious. I knew she had money problems but I didn’t know she dabbled in gold-diggery. In her defense, she’s apparently seeking venture capital for a business rather than just expensive shiny trinkets. Good for her, I hope it works out. Prostitution should be legal anyway.

    This site might be very handy to gauge the character and motivations of girls you meet and date if you happen to find them on there.

    Hell, this kind of knowledge (in the right hands) could be used on subsequent encounters to great effect.

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  47. on November 6, 2009 at 6:17 pm The Fifth Horseman

    The Croat ‘wins’, hands down.

    The maximum Betatude is the gap between what a man SHOULD get, vs. what he settles for. A Croatian tennis star should be getting hot models well into his 40s, rather than settle for a marital arrangement even a software engineer should not agree to.

    Hence, the Croat ‘wins’.

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  48. That tennis guy is it.

    Going with a narcist like that woman has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. No man was ever good enough for her. It is all about her. She had a child to experience being a mother. How did it feel? Was it good? Well, on to something else.

    Imagine what she will do to her son. Let hope he has rock solid genetic material to work with.

    That tennis guy must be working an angle, or he has a physical malformation. Maybe a mental malformation.

    Ugh.

    Roissy, being a beta, visiting your website makes me hate myself more everyday. Can’t you have a post, every now and then, of a beta who makes good? Like, lucks out with a great chick?

    Or, does that never happen?

    Anyway, I am slowly changing my ways. Beta is no way to live.

    Any chance you might get invited to go on a speaking tour to colleges? There must be male groups on campuses these days who would pay you a stipend to give a slide show on this subject. Maybe, they could get support from their university to bring you in as a speaker.

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  49. @joel

    Learn the skills and it won’t be luck.

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  50. Please someone find a link to that last video about the fat guy professing his love. I’m dying to see it!

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  51. I think in order to determined who is truly beta one has to wait 7-8 years down the road to see who has done the most or suffered the most out of his given situation.

    1) T-shirt guy – will probably be in the same situation he is in right now or his wife would divorced him and he will get a new t shirt that reads “MY wife is a cunt”.

    2) Croat guy could be fucking women on the side while tutoring tennis lesson and be a kept man for this rich woman. As well if he wants to leave (by a choice or divorce) then he gets some of her assets on the way out. Not a bad living if you ask me which is why women marry in the first place (they tend to have less assets then their husbands)

    3) As long as the rich guy has money to burn and he is constantly “dating” then all the power to him. However if this beta AFC decides to marry one of those online gold-diggers then its just a matter of time he would be cleaned out for good. There is also a good chance he might go into debt if he outspends his money on these girls or loses his job.

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  52. A wealthy guy with game could do some serious damage while spending very little money on the establishedmen website (depending on how much the registration fee is for a man to be on the website). Why?

    1. Social proof: Simply being registered on the website is a massive DHV and pre-screens you as a man of means. For women, their bitch shields will be significantly lower than in a bar because the men are presumed to have value.

    2. Women are prescreened for beauty: The most significant disadvantage of online “dating” is that the women are almost invariably uggos. Although this particular website appears to be free to all women, I predict a trend towards more rigorous pre-screening of women as websites such as these catch on, which would do all the work for you in weeding out the uggos.

    3. Favorable ratio: women outnumber the men on the website 4 to 1. This really should underscore the insight that the seducution community has held all along: beauty is common. High value men are rare.

    Given the above, a man with game could seriously leverage this position to get threesomes on the cheap. I would organize “eliminate” scenarios, as Tyler from “the Chronicles of Tyler” has suggested recently.

    And yes, the CEO of establishedwomen definitely has one of those faces you wanna punch.

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  53. 1) This guy surrendered his balls long before his nuptials. I want to just punch him in the face.

    2) Lives with a narcissist and sleeps on the couch. Quite possibly working an angle, but begging for marriage and not getting it? If he is working an angle he should have started working it on a different woman years ago. It sounds more like he is talking to a brick wall. He ignores all the red flags and sirens going off all around him indicating one thing: get out now. BotM

    3) Successful beta, bad with women. Too ashamed to just get a hooker or call-girl, so instead he goes to a sugar-daddy online dating website to arrange what comes down to a goods-for-‘the goods’ transaction. Perhaps he rationalizes this approach over hookers in the sense that he is ‘dating’ and may find love. Would have to be crazy to marry a girl from a website with only hypergamous girls to choose from.

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  54. *I meant to say “elimidate”

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  55. Croat for shiznit. Little bitch.

    I am planning on hiring one older enormously fat, and one skinny young hooker on craigslist, and make them eat each other out, while I watch Monday Night Football. Midgets are hard to find.

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  56. I stumbled on to this site totally by chance, probably via instapundit–>Ann Althouse, etc. Just got blown over by the quality of writing. I don’t know the truth in Roissy’s exploits and don’t care, but boy, can he write. If he bangs like he writes he’s got no shortage of quality pussy. Well, actually he doesn’t need to bang that well either, quality pussy like quality writing( ask Padma Lakshmi). For the past two days I’ve read so many posts — like a teenage girl who can’t get enough of Mills&Boon. I would have added so many insights to other posts, especially that star FeministX, but everybody probably moved on. I love the character but I suspect FeministX is a dude just trolling around. Since this is not a post about him/her I won’t explain. Anyhow, I wish I had an uncle like him when I was sixteen. Too much time wasted, lots of 6,7,8s lost.

    Of all the posts on the blog, I loved the BOTM the best. I don’t know what it is — probably the perpetual Beta or LJBF( never realized it until the past two days) in me but looking at other dudes who’s got so many things going behave the way they do is refreshing. It’s just not me.

    Coming to this month’s, I am kind of disappointed with the first entry. Guys like that are dime a dozen. Not worth giving them the space. I used to see a car parked at work that said, “I love my wife,” and I always have a smirk on my face when I see that. Maybe I am thankful I am not THAT beta.

    The tennis pro looks like he has neither game in tennis nor women. He’s trying to mooch of an older vulnerable woman( whatever that means, don’t whip me because I said that…I am still a Beta, always put pussy on a pedestal. I promise I will educate myself).

    That brings us to the the Established Dude. I feel great relief when I see men like that. But they are plenty of them too. Think Bill Gates. One one side there is Gates and then there are several nations that are worth less than him on the other side. Yet, he’s the classic Alpha in business and Beta everywhere else. The only crime the Established.com dude committed is going on national TV and got projected as an ass by Basher. For that I might give my vote to him. He’s certainly a Beta but sorry not a BOTM.

    I am kind of disappointed by this month’s BOTM entries. Get your game face on Roissy. Don’t whip these silly Betas. There must be mega Betas that are worth this space.

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  57. I meant Uncle like Roissy, not FemX. Sorry for the disambiguation.

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  58. “she might buy me a couple things”

    pfff hahahahah

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  59. Croat’s new wife is a Gorgon with a five-minute attention span. Her taste in men has consisted of slutting it up with bad boys her whole life. Reached the age limits of her fertility and used a turkey baster to mark off the “baby” checkbox on her bucket list. Within a year of the birth she was already bored with motherhood and began dating again, leaving an infant to babysitters.

    I give the marriage six months tops. It’s a race to see which one humiliates the other first in rampant adultery. She’ll get bored with him soon enough, and surely he’s already banging all of his clients already.

    The NYT article is beyond parody:

    Thomas Mullaney, a Spiritual Humanist minister and a friend of the bridegroom, began the vows by saying, “Brooke, will you have this man to be your husband, despite the fact that his hair is as nice as yours?”

    Yeah, sounds like a real deep and rooted marriage.

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  60. Being beta/conservative/USA: One wrong move tools yourself and invalidates all the right moves you made.

    Being alpha/liberal/Third World: One right move redeems all the shit you’ve thrown at everyone all your life.

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  61. I really really hated the journalist in #3. He’s so full of indignant moralising and posturing like some hard-hitting pulitzer prize winner. It’s not like its Al Capone he’s going after with the tough questions.

    And his nuclear weapon is just “this is prostitution”. Well, duh. The site just strips down the beta relationship to it’s core component. Funny how the beta dude can’t bring himself to admit the truth that has seared his soul.

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  62. “Whats sexist in the office is fuel in the bedroom.”

    An interview with the creator of Mad Men:
    http://weblogs.variety.com/season_pass/2008/10/mad-men-qa.html

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  63. I was pretty torn between #2 and #3. Ultimately, I passed on #2 because it just wasn’t as clear cut to me what the dude’s story was, whereas with #3 I see a good-looking (albeit nerdy) guy that looks younger than his real age (46 I think it said?) in a high-status occupation (TV Producer) making a pile of money (500K/yr). At the end of the day, a guy like that should be cleaning up. At a minimum, his problem should be keeping the gold diggers away, not going to a website to find them.

    As an unrelated side note, the whore really wasn’t that hot – maybe an 8.

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  64. I voted for #2. Truly pathetic.

    However, #3 was the most interesting for me. What first struck me was how I can do better than the girl he’s with. And I have no money.

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  65. Kyle, the guy from the video, is a complete pussy! If he had any self-confidence whatsoever he could probably get a decent-looking woman who wasn’t just after his cash. What a loser.

    But Kyle still isn’t as pathetic as Marko, the Croatian tennis pro. Is the sea hag that he married paying him money? Is not, he’s a moron. Not only is she old, but it appears as though she was a complete whore in her younger days wasting her time dating rock star douchebags. Why on earth would that guy marry a used-up woman who already has a child and is too old to bear his old child? I wonder how long it will be until she starts fucking other guys right in right of Marko and makes Marko watch and play with himself.

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  66. No one ever went broke underestimating the betaness of the man who repeatedly begs for marriage. From a cougar. With cub.

    How can this man not win by a light year away from the other candidates?

    Not just stopping at loving Cougar and Single Mother, he’s still on the couch. If her son will learn anything, it’s that a couch is an okay place for a man to be. It’s most decidedly not.

    Men like this is why women overestimate their marriageability.

    Mr. Zelenovic says he fell in love with Ms. Alexander because of Jace, not in spite of him.

    Wait, surely, there’s more to this story. Maybe while she spent a YEAR evaluating him because she has so many awesome options, he spent a year evaluating her son for future tennis stardom.

    I’m glad the posterchild for SINGLEMOM and BY CHOICE recognised that she could use a partner, at least.

    How insanely dysfunctional are some modern sexual relationships, anyway? Inventing new ways to be messed up, every day.

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  67. on November 6, 2009 at 8:45 pm omegaman93555

    #3 by a long shot. Money is an incredibly powerful thing. Rich people are actually quite cheap. They don’t need to spend money to control people- they know they only need to show the ability to spend money, and people will do things for them for free.

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  68. on November 6, 2009 at 9:04 pm Willard Libby

    The proprietor of the website is a good-looking chick who is essentially a pimp. She kind of has a face that makes me want to punch her in the mouth.

    She reminds me of Robin Givens. Her speech patterns, her facial gestures.

    Yes, very punchable.

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  69. #3 is banging a bonafide hottie and has the ability to bang others. sure his mentality is beta, so without money he would be stuck banging fatties, but the truth of the matter is he will be getting pussy most on this board only dreamed of for the rest of his life (or has the ability to do so).

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  70. 500K/year is not a lot? Are you retarded? usually the wannabe rich losers that talk such nonsense.

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  71. I want to punch that “pimp chick” in the face too. Ugh, what a smug bitch.

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  72. Anonymous, 500K per year is a lot when you’re married to a thrifty, resourceful partner who loves you and knows how to live within her and your means.

    It’s near nothing when you’re married to a gold digging whore. You’ll be in debt up to your ears and still not getting laid, or at least not with any kind of regularity.

    So you’ll have to get a mistress, and if she’s a hoe then you’re just as screwed.

    A beta mentality is a bad thing for a man to have. Every man should at least be the alpha male in his home. If not, he’s just feeding an insatiable dragon.

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  73. “Inventing new ways to be messed up, every day.”

    I read Black Beauty in 7th or 8th grade. I have never forgotten the horse’s observation that “All happy families were happy in the same way. Unhappy families each found a different way to be unhappy.”

    I really took this to heart. Now, I wonder if it is true. But, verily, people do experiment in odd ways and mostly it turns out less than ideal.

    That woman is such a bad partner that tennis guy must be working an angle. Maybe he is just angling for the money. I hope so.

    BTW, for another look at a wife-bitch, from the New York Times, read right here. A House Whore. I know people like this. Eventually the beta seems to get tired of working on the house and getting no sex.

    You will have to type in the http for the prefix.

    ://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/garden/05divorce.html?scp=2&sq=divorce&st=cse

    Or, just go to the NY Times home page and search “divorce”.

    There are so many good examples of women out there that no man should marry, it is amazing that men just don’t get it. Again, they are raised to put women on pedestals. Their society lies.

    An interview with a Holocaust survivor recently made a deep impression. “You have to remember. Everybody who obeyed the rules was killed.”

    I used to think the rules were made to protect and help me. No longer.

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  74. Fun Brother Lupo adventure. Shagging some young dumb chick who placed herself on sugardaddies.com; I signed up to look around and was pretty much instantly solicited by 40 chicks, mostly from LA (about 300 miles away). Note, I didn’t put up any photos or anythin; just wrote a sentence and put an age. The young swirlie swore up and down she was just doing it, “for companionship,” and I guess it was pretty weird she’d tell me about such a thing if it weren’t true, but she sucked dick too good for me to believe her, and the only thing I ever bought her was an orange soda. I assume “established men” is the same thing. I find it all hilarious, and evidence of the rapid decline of our civilization.

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  75. I watched the video with the sound off. But the chick with the short hair and suit is the woman running things?

    If that is the one you were talking about Roissy than I would want to punch her in her rapidly aging face. She has that annoying bitch look that is acceptable when a chick is young and hot but makes you want to tear her irritating voice box out when she loses her looks.

    Also, the chick with the long blond hair looks like the good girl in public/cock gobbler in private type. Probably has a thing for bad boys who mistreat her.

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  76. on November 6, 2009 at 9:30 pm Willard Libby

    #2 is the winner because he had the most genetic and social potential NOT to be a beta.

    #1 = generic beta doofus.

    #3 – total genetic beta. Dorky looking, dorky way of walking, the walk always gives these guys away, dorky way of speaking. Beta but wealthier than average run of the mill beta.

    But tennis boy squandered far more potential. Therefore he is the winner.

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  77. on November 6, 2009 at 9:35 pm West Coast Life

    This month’s betas are a weak field compared to the previous 2 months. Those were some serious betas, even compared to these three clowns.

    Let’s not overestimate the “alpha capital” of Marko the tennis pro. Most guys who call themselves “tennis pros” are washed up former college players who make a living giving lessons to the bratty children of the country club set and their more uppity bourgeois counterparts. That guy you constantly see on the court at your local park, with the cart of 85 worn-out tennis balls, feeding “running forehands” to some 9-year-old whose mom is paying $40/hr for the instruction? He’s a “tennis pro” by the conventional definition.

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  78. Voted for #2. For all we can tell, #1 is playing a version of Wedding Band game with the shirt.

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  79. joel: It is truly amazing to me how badly a woman will torture another human being for the sake of objects. A house. Money. Curtains. And they don’t even make her happy!

    I don’t get it either.

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  80. I voted for the Croat, and sure enough he’s the top vote-getter so far.

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  81. Rake: I picked #2 because while #3 is merely renting a young cow, The Croat bought an aging cow and her calf.

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  82. joel,

    that is why paying young non-north american born escorts for sex it the way to go.

    A person who sees women as anything other than greedy, psycho cum dumps is not living in reality.

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  83. “Ever notice how the most high-falutin’ pseudo-profound words are used to describe the most strained, mature sort of love? Real heart-squeezing and gut-rending love, the kind that feels like a drug, is never described in this way by young people who are actually experiencing it. I’m reminded again how often “grown-up” dating and falling in love resembles a business proposition rather than an electric emotional rollercoaster.”

    Of course Old Love is different from Young Love. Growing old and growing up means getting off the roller coaster. Do you really expect to get that drug-feeling of love when you are in your 40s? Ask Mark Sanford what that’s like. Yeah, that head-over-heels, the world-be-damned feeling is to be envied, but unless you’re going to literally kill yourself the minute that feeling wears off, you’re better off without it.

    Growing old sucks. But do you appreciate what the alternative is? If you do, then congrats — that means you’ve grown up.

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  84. #3 by a long mile.

    Just look at the guy, hell. Big dumb Beta. In denial. Nothing worse. I’m sure he’s not even getting blowjobs.

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  85. @ Willard Libby: I just rewatched the first few seconds of his video and his walk is very beta. I just can’t put my finger on why exactly. He seems relaxed and he is not hunched over…maybe the poor bastard is just that naturally unco-ordinated that no matter what he does he cannot walk properly.

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  86. > And they don’t even make her happy! I don’t get it either.

    It’s the old status drive from the millennia (or more) when low-status people died at far higher rates. People just have class ambition (most people). What they do along these lines doesnt have to make them happy, they do it anyway. They will keep doing it even if it doesnt actually raise their status — assuming they have no other, better way to attempt to raise it.

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  87. What’s really disgusting and craven, though not really beta, is slutting yourself for the TV camera like they both did, letting yourself be “investigated” and prodded with obnoxious questions. They lack dignity.

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  88. on November 6, 2009 at 11:14 pm The Fifth Horseman

    The Croatian basketball player wins, hands down.

    He squandered the most potential. He is settling for a situation that even a software engineer should not settle for.

    #1 is just a generic Beta, no different than the majority of the adult male population.

    #3 is Beta, but I see ‘Business Opportunity’ here.

    A man with tight Game should become a pimp set up such a service, if this is the kind of money that wealthy Betas are shelling out in return for next to nothing.

    Forget seminars and books and blogs that *teach* Game. This is the sort of business Style, Mystery, Matador, Roosh, and Roissy should partner up to do.

    Don’t teach Game, arbitrage Game. That is where the money is.

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  89. on November 6, 2009 at 11:19 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Actually, Vladimir has a point.

    If the Croatian is not famous even among other citizens of such a small country, then maybe he is just a guy seeking a greencard, who has no idea about the yoke that gets put on him in under US divorce laws.

    That would make far more sense. The Times is playing him up to make the woman look like she bagged an Alpha, when in reality he is a Greencard seeker who has grossly miscalculated the cost/benefit analysis of his strategy.

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  90. Lucifer should have said, “A person who sees humans as anything other than greedy, psycho cum dumps is not living in reality.”

    Fixed.

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  91. $10,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to what he might end up paying for a wife who will probably get knocked up (insurance) and leave him in the long run (court costs, child support, alimony, the house) because you know his personality ain’t enough to keep her from pursuing Carlos the immigrant pool boy.

    At least this is honest.

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  92. Tennis coach. He has low libido, if not gay. He’s working an angle to get to the super-rich. Now he has a TV-hostess, ex-Ms. World U.S. wife with connections and no obligation to impregnate her. Beard, anyone? Having a child with an anonymous sperm donor is the height of female narcissism. What normal guy signs up for that? But, if tennis coach is as calculating as all that, does that make him a BOTM? I thought BOTMs were chump-ish. This guy could just be shrewd.

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  93. BOTM candidate #1 reminds me of what must certainly be an axiom of LTR game:

    There’s an inverse correlation between the volume of public gushing a guy expresses for his wife and the amount of trouble and frustration in their marriage.

    Now, I know that many women CLAIM they’d like to hear or see their man express this kind of behavior (e.g., wear a shirt like BOTM #1). And there’s a part of her that indeed wants see her man publicly announce his eternal devotion to her and her alone (by which he effectively prevents himself from mixing his genes with any other woman within earshot). But this kind of display is not the spontaneous expression of testosterone. The poor sap likely only does it because he’s… a) coerced or brow-beaten into it by his wife, b) hoping against hope that she’ll let him, somehow permit him, to spill a teaspoon of his seed somewhere near her magic presence, or c) struggling like hell to impress her with some version of romanticism.

    Sadly, though, the effort usually has the opposite effect.

    Before I took the red pill I tried this once. In return from my wife, my expression earned me the very exciting verbal response of… “that was nice”.

    How charitable.

    So, when I see this type of over-the-top display, I can’t help but look for cracks in the couple’s edifice of love. It’s revealing in the same way that our friend William expressed it… oh… only about four centuries ago: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks”

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  94. Whew. I’m just glad, as the quintessential southern European dago who bootlicks those “whiter” than myself, that I’m not on this list.

    True, my penis may only be two inches flaccid, and I may not have the guts to approach the local variety of Nordic beauty, but you will never catch me wearing a T-shirt like that nor will I ever be caught spending more than $20 on a date.

    I’ve got to hand it to you, Roissy. As a writer and thinker you are my superior.

    By the way, FeministX: I forgive you of your unwarranted attacks on me.

    Visit my blog — “a brew of racial nepenthe for nordic and negro alike” — and tell me what you think.

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  95. Number 1.

    Why do people think that #2 is famous or has much leverage?

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  96. It’s got to be the tennis pro. He’s taking the most abuse on top of having the most natural advantages. Why, sir, why?

    Greencard?

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  97. Roissy,

    Ever cover the Swedish guy who breast feeds his kid?

    http://hbdbooks.com/2009/10/is-sweden-the-worst/

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  98. No way the beta in that video is a leader among men.

    One famous and rather surprising leaderly type who was a cuckold at home was Lord Mountbatten. His wife was flagrantly unfaithful to him from early in their marriage; he eventually began to see other women in self-defense, but she still wore the pants in the family.

    But then, he made the mistake of marrying a rich woman.

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  99. on November 7, 2009 at 1:35 am Venusian Arts Knack

    How is this even a contest. #2 hands down. Not even REMOTELY close.

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  100. on November 7, 2009 at 2:51 am West Coast Life

    @JB:

    Rake: I picked #2 because while #3 is merely renting a young cow, The Croat bought an aging cow and her calf.
    —————————————————-
    LMFAO!!!

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  101. on November 7, 2009 at 3:14 am HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    2 or 3. 1 could be a pseudo-ironic joke. I think 2 though. Putting in the work to become a professional athlete in any field is like climbing a mountain; putting the work in to get good with women as a decent looking eastern european man is like scaling a large hill, a small one if you’ve already built up that much alpha capital from being a pro athlete.

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  102. The Croat sounds like a pedophile: No interest in the old broad, only in her son.

    BOTM.

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  103. Tennis player. No fucking doubt.

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  104. on November 7, 2009 at 3:34 am Harry Flashman

    The Croat wins. #1’s betatude is simply a shirt . . . there’s not enough info to cause him to win. #3 represents market supply/demand and is a natural occurrence. #2 is the greater beta: marries, of all things, a 40+ single mom with obvious mental issues . . . I suspect Mr. Croat had troubles finding dates or has, as Roissy suggests, some hidden problem that causes him to go with marrying the chick. Worse, he gives sustenance to the fantasy belonging to many women in this older bitch’s cohort that if they remain single until 40, or are unmarried with children, that there are quality men out there waiting to scoop them up. #2 wins by a landslide.

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  105. Joel

    An interview with a Holocaust survivor recently made a deep impression. “You have to remember. Everybody who obeyed the rules was killed.”

    That is a quote to remember.

    A society needs the authoritarian grunts who will throw their lives into the meatgrinder of war. To throw their hours away paying taxes to pay the war machine. I won’t be that rule follower. I won’t be that patriotic grunt. I’m a sneaky fucker, and I game the entire system. A hacker of life.

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  106. Bhetti

    joel: It is truly amazing to me how badly a woman will torture another human being for the sake of objects. A house. Money. Curtains. And they don’t even make her happy!

    I don’t get it either.

    I’m working on the theory that women in relationships seek status symbols not for an ego boost, but because it raises their social standing AMONG OTHER WOMEN. There must be some genetic advantage to their offspring, if other WOMEN consider her of high status. This must go way, way back – maybe even into our monkeyness. I wonder if primate babies born to the alpha are better protected and get better food?

    I came to the realization that most of womens motivations is not actually related to men a few years ago. Most of their motivations are related to their standing in their community of women.

    It’s an innate deep seated drive. It’s not shallow. It’s just largely misguided in todays times. Rather than spend money on status symbols, the money is better invested while the kids grow, to pay for the kids education.

    The missing piece in my realization (I’m confident that theory is too weak to describe this), is what exactly are the advantages to her kids to other women thinking she is high ranking. Maybe the kid gets chosen a better wife or husband?

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  107. “most of womens motivations” should read “most of women’s motivations to status”.

    Socially, men and women are in different camps, and it’s the women who control the social frame – because they band together and are tenacious.

    The reason they gossip against each other is get personal status. They can also bring men down – keep out interlopers, keep men faithful – all with their wagging tongues.

    Status gives their tongue wag more power.

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  108. Status gives her a troupe of girls who will enforce her agenda.

    It’s hard wired in women, in the same way re-decorating the nest is hard wired when pregnant.

    They can’t help themselves. The crave social recognition and power – queen bee power over the community of female social enforcing wags.

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  109. on November 7, 2009 at 4:57 am msexceptiontotherule

    I think that the Croat might have only one testicle, or toxic waste exposure may have scrambled the signals in his brain AND left him sterile yet oddly longing for a child (he did say he loves spending time with his new “son”).

    But I didn’t even need to see half of the video for “established men”, and any guy who willingly allows his desperation and subsequent free-for-all behavior with the bank account contents to be presented to an audience whose numbers are likely vast and judgmental guaranteed to bring an unknown quantity of ridicule and embarrassment….now that, is beta on a level that should require the guy to kill himself and avoid any further dishonor to his family.

    Unfortunately, that seems to be something only samurai understood.

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  110. The guy with “My wife rocks” T-shirt doesn’t seem particularly beta to me. Maybe he’s in love with his wife, maybe his woman is hot, loving and nice and brings joy into his life. When I’m in love, I would wear a “My boyfriend/husband rocks” T-shirt anytime, with pride and joy, as a badge of honor.

    Or maybe I’m wrong because I see things as a woman.

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  111. xsplat: Goes back to women are in charge of sexuality: if the community of women approves of anyone’s offspring, they are more likely to do better.

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  112. Majority of men still often make sure their selected partner is someone their mother would approve of. And what does the mother approve of…? Someone the other women would approve of.

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  113. Julie: “Or maybe I’m wrong because I see things as a woman.”

    Pretty much.

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  114. The main problem with number 3 is that he is a bad shopper. Ten grand would get him more, better, younger, if he knew where to look.

    One has bad taste in clothes. Or he really does love his wife. It does happen, despite the odds.

    Number two wins my vote, but I’ve seen stranger relationships.

    In the end, you just have to please yourself.

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  115. Number 3 all the way.

    No. 1 is wearing a silly T-shirt at what looks to by a gymnasium pancake breakfast. Not kick-ass, but maybe he is raising money for some cause or something. That guy looks like he has an awesome man cave at home and his buddies come over and his wife makes them all nachos while they play poker, or something.

    No. 2 is a weird story. He moved in with her soon after they started dating, which sounds like mooching off of her. She is very attractive for her age. The whole sleeping on the couch thing may be a story they tell so they don’t look trashy. Very strange, certainly not respectable, but:

    Come on, number 3! He agree to be interviewed, and it seems like he actually thinks they’re dating. Nothing to respect about anybody in that story, except maybe the female entrepreneur who started the website.

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  116. The more data that emerges about the Croatian – the greater the odds that the totally all-about-me-chick paid someone at the NYBT to publish some viable obituary for all her wasted years and the “squander” of all her self-perceived hot but lost potential.

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  117. on November 7, 2009 at 10:10 am personal trainer

    They are all Ass-clowns but The whores who date the #3 types usually get a wake up call when they get thrown out at some point for someone prettier and sluttier. Thats one sick video.

    Money always buys a fresher whore.

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  118. It seems to me that no. 3 knows what’s what, without bothering with learning Game. He knows how to obtain a hot woman with his existing assets i.e. a kept mistress that he’d change in a heartbeat if she was disfigured. He’d be beta of the month if he went and married her, he goes into debt and/or he gives her money without the benefit of sleeping with her. The latter is pretty much all too often what happens in relationships. While he’s being bad, he’s not being that bad.

    That said, it’s amazing how shameless people can be about this; it is constructed so that it’s elaborately rationalised prostitution in a way. One distinction I would make is that the women don’t have to accept any offer, I think they still hold out for the best from looking at the CEO’s feeling that she needs to give advice to some ‘established men’:
    http://establishedmen.wordpress.com/2009/08/13/hot-for-teacher/
    Painful advice.

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  119. #1 is a husband who is trying to convince himself that he is happy in a soul crushing marriage to a woman who most likely hates him or at least is bored with him

    #2 is text book beta

    #3 is text book paper alpha

    I voted for #2

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  120. This comment didn’t get past the filter earlier, so I’m trying again:

    Number 3 is nothing short of pathetic. He’s doing everything wrong and is getting taken to the cleaners for it.

    Perhaps the most disturbing thing is how pleasantly comfortable his butterface trophy whore is in emptying his wallet. Any man who understands Game will surely cringe when hearing his lickspittle compliments to her –which they both surely use to rationalize his financial prostration to her.

    He’s not just putting her on a pedestal, he’s commissioned it to be milled out of solid gold and encrusted with diamonds. $10,000 dropped on a woman you just met is the HEIGHT of betatude, whether you can afford it or not.

    The wost part? He’s not even getting a good deal for the kind of money he’s dropping. Since the girl is never ever going to respect you, at least make sure when you fuck her, she’s a 10 and not a goofy-faced 8 with a fake rack.

    This bitch will turn tail (literally) and fuck impoverished badboys while simultaneously continuing the climb up her gold digger ladder.

    He wins BOTM because while the tennis pro is shoving his dick into a mid-40s sandpaper factory, and playing role-model for her bastard son, an alphatude isn’t judged by the women he is fucking but by the women he could fuck.

    Rich guy couldn’t even find a gold digging whore in Southern fucking California without paying a middleman whore-cum-pimp to do it? Double beta fail.

    As Roissy has said before, its much more gratifying sex when she wants it.

    You can buy compliance, but you can’t buy desire.

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  121. To Everyone, A Philosophical Question :

    Michel Houellebecq has correctly written that the slow downfall of our civilization and it’s obsession with Libertine ways of life [and youthful abandon before all else] are highly correlated together.

    I suspect another way to dissect this revelation is to say that our civilization’s decline is highly correlated to many people — both men and women — trying to be “Alpha” through Libertinism, youthful abandon, instant gratification and lack of longterm consideration.

    Machiavelli, Nietzsche, Robert Greene and many other luminaries all have stated that our civilization’s growth, cohesion and stability [to paraphrase] ‘depends on the works and struggles of greater betas supporting exceptional Alphas and the rest of society’.

    I don’t want to delve too deeply into this line of thought just yet, so I want to ask as sort of an initial feeler question —

    How do we make social, fiscal, civil and self responsibility tenable [advantageous] and desirable again?

    (I’ll continue with my overall line of thinking depending on what sort of responses are received.)

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  122. “How do we make social, fiscal, civil and self responsibility tenable [advantageous] and desirable again?”

    The first condition is to overthrow the current liberal, self-loathing elite of the West and replace it with a responsible, patriotic one. People engage in libertinism and self-gratification – among other things – because, more or less consciously, they ceased to believe in their future as a community. Nothing serious to live and struggle for, unlike our ancestors. The West has ceased to have leaders, only PC bubbleheads, from left to the right, political omegas. Once the current social-political paradigm is changed and a new ruling class emerges, people will follow it, investing again in their future.

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  123. croatian tennis player.

    Anyway, this month beta competition is way inferior in quality to last month race.
    Any one of the competitors last month could have beaten these morons.

    roissy step up your game.

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  124. Tennis player… hands the fuck down! fuck! 😦

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  125. Slow horse race.
    Nothing wrong with the first.
    I have the idea the Croatian tennis gigolo is working some angle.
    That leaves Mr Sure-I’ll-spend-thousands-of-dollars-on-you-with-no-guarantee-of-anything-in-return. He just seems like a born victim.
    I’m sort of hoping he’s an undercover cop (with a deep expense account) who’ll eventually bust the gold digger whore for prostitution. The operation is the kind of transparent wink wink nudge nudge that gives honest, hard working crack whores a bad name.

    In other news, if you ever decide to start a Worthless Whore of the Month contest for those women that fulfill all the worst misogynistic stereotypes about women, then consider this:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1225890/Lauren-Booth-thanks-God-husband-survived-horrific-motorbike-crash-confesses-The-man-I-loved-dead-.html

    (sorry for long link, I don’t do tiny url)

    It’s a lengthy pre-justification for her to start sleeping around and/or dumping her husband. He’s alive but dead! Dead you hear? He’s not as much as he used to be and she’s clearly looking for a better deal. (Good luck there).

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  126. Julie: the link below is a good start.

    http://oathkeepers.org/oath/about/

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  127. Beta of the year is you, roissy.

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  128. jh, the tennis guy has leverage…she’s 46…nuff said! That’s like 398 in guy years! She’s basically dead!

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  129. Thanks for the link, JB. Yes, this is the right attitude of a truly responsible elite. Unfortunately, the oath-keepers are marginalized and considered, as the cow Nancy Pelosi put it, “un-American extremists”. I think it’s an illusion to believe that the traitorous Western elite can be overthrown without violence. At some point – maybe it will take a generation or two – people will need this attitude plus warrior skills, exercised against their own governments.

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  130. It was horrible watch number 3 interviewed, and even at 500k a year he isn’t making the kind of money to afford spending 10k on her after 3 dates.

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  131. “Unfortunately, the oath-keepers are marginalized and considered, as the cow Nancy Pelosi put it, “un-American extremists”. ”

    They’ve only just begun. “Marginalization” only works when you maintain the illusion of consensus public support, as the ObamaPelosiReid juggernaut did for the last ten months.

    After last Tuesday, there are cracks in the edifice.

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  132. Xsplat:

    About status in females and offspring. Jane Goodall in her study of chimps found that females had their own status hierarchy. Part of higher status was being preferred company of the higher ranking males, but the females directly competed with each other for status. Higher ranking females had children who turned out better, ie survived better, and importantly, had higher rank in the troop than children of lower ranking mothers. Children have status, too.

    It is a cruel world out there. We should all thank civilization for taking the sharp edge off it.

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  133. The dis to the “sugardaddy” site is a mistake. The loser who spent 10K is an idiot but in general, “sugardaddy” sites are a bit of a goldmine for anyone with a little cash and game…………..

    I joined one of these sites and I only make a mere 100K. Why did I join the site? Becuase all the blogs about them were filled with chicks complaining about being used like a piece of meat. The girls greatly outnumber the men and unlike other dating websites: the ratio of hotchicks is about 5 times higher.

    I have enough dough that I can front “wealthy”. My car is up-scale; my penthouse is stellar, so its pretty simple to take these broads out on your regular $80 dinner date and have them still be a little razzle-dazzled and then, get some action.

    That’s not beta, dude. That’s cheaper than any hooker, less work than running game and the quality of women are much higher looks-wise than any average broads

    Best part about it: These chicks come to you!!!!

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  134. on November 7, 2009 at 5:59 pm accidentaldissent

    “There’s something wrong with this Croat that the NYBTimes isn’t telling us. Mentally unbalanced? Broke? Micropenis? The truth is out there.”

    While I am not a Croast and don’t have a micropenis, as a half-Serb with a mean 2-incher (when flaccid) I can tell you what it feels like to have to compensate in ways besides oral pleasures.

    I think one of the advantages to not being exceptionally good-looking or having a large schlong is that you are forced to compensate and thus develop yourself. This poor sap needs to realize that, micropenis or not, he can do better than settling with a half-century-old MILF.

    While I lack the exceptional writing talent of Roissy (his IQ is probably a full standard deviation higher than mine), I do try to make waves by ingratiating myself with White Nationalists and Nordicists who would otherwise spit at my face and ass-rape me in prison.

    In any case, this is another exceptional post.

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  135. ‘my wife rocks’ is notably pathetic. It’s creepy egoism more than beta.

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  136. there is a good chance the whore might truly fall in love with you and not just your wallet.

    And this is a GOOD thing? You are so pathetic, roissy.

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  137. on November 7, 2009 at 7:57 pm accidentaldissent

    Rofl, whoever that was impersonating me, er…good job.

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  138. It looks like the tennis guy is looking for a sugar mama deal. By tennis “pro” they mean a guy who teaches tennis, not a professional player. He probably doesn’t make jack, while the ho seems to be pretty well fixed.

    It’s bad behavior, but #3 is still much worse.

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  139. [Cont’d.] :

    I suspect appreciation for the contributions of Greater Contributing Betas and Leading Alphas, as well as the conditions that best nurture them, are also correlated with conservative values.

    So let me rephrase the question :

    How do we make CONSERVATIVE values once again advantageous and desirable to the general population and youth?

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  140. joel

    Xsplat:

    About status in females and offspring. Jane Goodall in her study of chimps found that females had their own status hierarchy. Part of higher status was being preferred company of the higher ranking males, but the females directly competed with each other for status. Higher ranking females had children who turned out better, ie survived better, and importantly, had higher rank in the troop than children of lower ranking mothers. Children have status, too.

    That’s what I thought. Status seeking among females is not a cultural artifact nor a sign of shallow values. It’s an innate drive going back so far into our ancestry as to reach back into our monkey-troupe natures.

    It’s a cross cultural universal. Men bemoan the whore and gold diggery nature of girls. That’s ike bemoaning Microsoft Windows. You can’t change a girls OS, all you can do is hack her.

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  141. Viewing that 3rd guy in the video with his Nerdy-Beta face and tone of voice made me sick to my stomach.

    I don’t know about you Roissy but that man is NOT a leader of men. I don’t care how much $$ he makes.

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  142. Julie:

    Or maybe I’m wrong because I see things as a woman.

    You’re not wrong to see things as a woman when you are a woman. What would be wrong is seeing things as a woman if you were a man. That is what makes a beta, which is why t-shirt guy was included this month.

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  143. on November 8, 2009 at 1:56 pm Phenomenal One

    #3 is an absolute joke

    It’s obvious in the video that they’re tryin to detour from using the words “goldigger” and “sugadaddy”, but there’s no other way to describe them.

    The funny part is these type of guys never get more bang for their buck.
    The chick in the vid is average at best with the nose of a hawk.
    She knows why she’s there so the guy should have no problem treatin her like a prositute, and if she has a problem with that tell her to get lost.

    But i vote for #2

    – dating an older woman
    – with a son
    – sleepin on her cough for 2 years
    – askin her multiple times for marriage

    From the average joe to a multi-billionaire, you have to be f*ckin retarded to make a decision like that.

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  144. Holy shit! Call me crazy? But I think I hit that (Brooke Alexander) back in the 80s. Right now I dont know how to feel about that? But that Croat gets my vote for BTM.

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  145. “The kid, for me, is pure joy. He’s someone I want to be with all the time.”

    I would have serious questions about this guy. Croatian beta or potential pedophile?

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  146. That Croat is not beta. That is a Delta slave made in Brave New World like batches. This guy is in the picture with an over the hill actress being passed around by rockers? She is already done reproductively and the only thing working here is latent female attractiveness to keep a man around to raise a bastard baby that is not his.

    Interesting blog Roissy. A blog that thinks like I do. Only I went the path of asceticism rather than sexual hedonism. I guess I realized I was nature’s toy after being with a 8-9 girl my age for 3 years 18-21. Reading Schopenhauer didn’t help. I went from a fat young teen who had nothing to someone who could attract 7s by doing nothing. So knowing both sides of it probably had a lot to do with knowing the whole situation of nature’s economy just blows.

    Though you do slant towards low investment strategy I think. The only thing I thought could work for me was high investment strategy. I figured there are satisfying psychological pathways for a family with a good female which simply could not be an American. I also find it interesting that you feel the need to offer avuncular advice. Perhaps you have found a way to jettison your high investment avuncular instincts by offering advice on a blog sort of like fatherhood porn. Don’t forget even awareness of nature is just one of nature’s toys.

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  147. on November 8, 2009 at 9:16 pm unlearning genius

    Wow, there is so much beta in the world.

    #1, hey that’s my co worker. He is not beta, he is just a nice family man.

    #2, My vote goes for this one. Classic paper alpha, single mom’s in their 30 + with some looks left are very good Pump and dump candidates… these are also the low-hanging fruit on the poon-tree .. It is indeed sad that such a giant mockery of men appears on NYTimes .. I feel insulted.

    #3 But it is really hard for an older guy to make the mental transformation needed to game. Most of these guys probably married young and focused on their careers most of their life.
    Somewhere in midlife the guy discovers that his wife has been cheating around .. is somewhat devastrated .. divorces ..and in that state it is so easy for the women to play him ..
    Just like everything else, it is far easier to learn game when you are young and uncorrupted …

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  148. I’m from Croatia and I’ve never heard about this guy.

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  149. hmm… i’m surprised at the voting.

    #1 – there’s just no context. we don’t know if he lost a bet. we don’t know what kind of marriage he has. we don’t know even know what the back of the shirt says. maybe the shirt really says, “my wife rocks… even my girlfriend thinks so.”

    #2 – we have context, but can we trust it? this story is written to placate upper-middle class new york women who’ve spent their better years slutting it up and “fulfilling” themselves. it’s an homage to self-delusion. as such, i treat every word with the highest suspicion. she claims he slept on the couch for the sake of the kid. isn’t a dude crashed out on the couch every morning much more conspicuous than sleeping behind a closed bedroom door? i’m not buying it. if i had to bet on it, i’d say this guy was looking for a beard and green card.

    #3 – now here is the very definition of beta. he’s a trick. what’s the joke about high-priced call girls? you’re not paying them for sex. you’re paying them to leave afterwards. well, this guy is not only paying for sex; he’s paying her to stick around. and she will only stick around as long as he can keep paying. and if they do get married, he will be henpecked. she will cheat on him. she will leave him and take half his shit plus some if there’s a kid.

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  150. on November 9, 2009 at 12:35 pm Martian Bachelor

    (Shidoshi)
    1. Social proof: Simply being registered on the website is a massive DHV and pre-screens you as a man of means.

    The plethora of sites such as EstablishedMen are all mostly for poseurs and wannabees and other varieties of dumb chumps. For something like $1500 bucks (as one of them charges) you can pretend to be a gazillionaire, just like in Vegas they’ll sell you the Platinum Package so you can fantasize about looking like a real high roller.

    You really think their “screening” is gonna turn away a potential paying customer? This is just a variation on the “exclusive country club” scam.

    2. …this particular website appears to be free to all women

    It’s just like ladies night at the bar, with the chicks drinking free and the chumps paying high cover for over-priced watered-down drinks.

    3. Favorable ratio: women outnumber the men on the website 4 to 1…

    Sounds like they got you all lathered up and ready to empty your wallet in their direction.

    …This really should underscore the insight that the seducution community has held all along: beauty is common. High value men are rare.

    This is exactly why a legitimate site operating along these lines would be scouring the planet for the rare available high value wealthy men, and paying them to join. It would be charging the many women who wanted to meet them. Since the sites are nearly 100% bogus and can make up fake pretty woman profiles at their leisure with impunity (and for profit), they don’t operate the way logic would suggest they should.

    (Krauser) I really really hated the journalist in #3. He’s so full of indignant moralising and posturing like some hard-hitting pulitzer prize winner.

    ABCnews and Nightline in particular is well known for running all sorts of stories on prostitution and dating/mating because they know people get all hot and bothered about it in all sorts of different ways and thus can’t stop watching, which is what their game really is all about. I wouldn’t put it past them to hire actors to play all the parts right. Anyone who takes their stories at face value as the truth is just plain gullible.

    @xsplat – you’ll like this:
    “The history of feminism is the history of women attempting to excommunicate each other from the High Priestesshood.”
    – Amy Benfer

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  151. The guy with the “my wife rocks” t-shirt should be disqualified. He has an arch in his back which points to him being light in the loafers.

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  152. on November 9, 2009 at 9:53 pm Willard Libby

    Martian Bachelor

    ABCnews …..I wouldn’t put it past them to hire actors to play all the parts right. Anyone who takes their stories at face value as the truth is just plain gullible.

    After viewing the tape again I think the #3 couple are a fraud put together by the dating service.

    He doesn’t make $500,000 a year and shes not having sex with him. Two actors/shills.

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  153. Julie and JB respectively

    I think it’s an illusion to believe that the traitorous Western elite can be overthrown without violence. At some point – maybe it will take a generation or two – people will need this attitude plus warrior skills, exercised against their own governments.

    and

    They’ve only just begun. “Marginalization” only works when you maintain the illusion of consensus public support, as the ObamaPelosiReid juggernaut did for the last ten months.

    True. Similar tricks were done by previous administrations. The problem is so far beyond the scope of people like Obama or Pelosi who, at best, I contend (and leave as an exercise to the reader to confront) are simple front men for something deeper and more insidious. By far.

    After last Tuesday, there are cracks in the edifice.

    Actually… the cracks have always been there, for generations beyond your noticing. Some people noticed them decades ago. Yet the edifice remains and is far stronger than you would like to imagine. It is possible that some of the cracks are real, whilst others are painted on as distractions.

    My bad habit of littering the Chateau’s halls with my droppings should be checked, I’ll expand on some themes elsewhere, restricting myself to blurting out only this:

    At least 3 reactions will be had to what follows; a visceral gut emotive rejection by some taking offense, a more detached intellectual rejection, born out of seemingly reasoned, but actually conditioned, incredulity, and lastly a provisional acceptance or rejection (it in part, or in total) by a few, who at least bother not dismissing it out of hand, considering, and weighing, by evidence they are aware of.

    I can’t control a reader’s reactions, but I can suggest intellectual and emotional honesty.

    JB and Julie you both hit on something, while perhaps underestimating other things. Whether out of emotive sentiment, or other reasons, my pointing this out is simply to suggest another perspective, and is not a sort of psyche-out or discouragement of your perspective.
    It is possible that the elites spoken of are far from self loathing. That what both of you may possibly see as their pissing away a collective and shared Western heritage is perhaps seen as something different, from their perspective.

    It is possible – you are free to disagree or argue – that Anglo-American elites, both Protestant and Ashkenazi, have never seen themselves as on your level. Not that you are saying they do, but this point needs to be made clear for others. Sure as hell not on my level, because I’m a certified darkie, but also not on yours. I mean elites, not upper-management. I mean those who hire and dismiss upper management, with true equity in what keeps your lights and gas on; and their own bosses beyond them.

    It is possible that certain classes and stations have been cynically used for generations, to ends of which you are beginning to become aware, by individuals whom you may have initially believed should by right have been among your allies and brethren due to shared heritage and interests. It is possible that while you are noticing certain enemies among them, you may underestimate the scope of what faces you, and has faced you for decades.

    It is possible that what you might see as a declining American or Western culture, one you and your ancestors contributed to and built up, in communities and solidarity, may possibly be seen by some (not all, but some) among the “elites”, of whom you speak, as a peasant and prole culture, with which they have little sympathy. What you identify as a shared heritage them may see differently.

    This is not to invalidate your, and your ancestors, hard work, Mine is not a prescriptive argument, it is descriptive: of individuals who could care less about you or I. Who arguably crafted a system in their interests and suckered us into an absurd rat race to acquire some equity in it, which will never come, and who use our tribal, ethnic, and racial identities and sympathies against our tribes, ethnicities, and races, in a cynical strategy of divide and conquer.

    It is possible that such an elite jet set is incapable of suffering violent revolt from below, for reasons I have no interest in fleshing out here because of my wish to avoid passing a large textual turd in the middle of the Chateau. I might just expand on these themes elsewhere and let unimaginative reactionaries react, and trust that the few capable of reflection and engagement will seek further consideration of, and engagement with, these themes elsewhere, of their own accord.

    And that’s all I’m going to say on this here. Some perhaps will bark, and some perhaps will reflect. Reflection may lead those few closer to what their hearts desire.
    Back to the more important topics of poon, and it’s obtaining.

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  154. on December 13, 2009 at 11:49 pm Dec BOTM: xsplat

    Coz he cares too much what we write here.

    Enough with all the counter posts already, dude.

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  155. The reporter should have asked the prostitute herself whether she feels like she’s a whore because she’s giving sex for money. As usual, only the male is considered responsible for the whole situation.

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