Condomless Game

I think the Bedouin lifestyle is for me.

With eight wives and 67 children, Shahadeh Abu Arrar has given new meaning to the term “family man.”

Abu is 58 years old.  Suffice to say, if his wives are still pumping out children this prodigiously, they are considerably younger than him.  67 children is what happens to a player who decides to forego condoms.

“There are many women who wish to marry me and there is no lack of women. I never had a problem with such things.”

Natural.  He was probably learning indirect game when his fellow five-year-olds were building cardboard forts to keep out the girls.

Four veiled women, including two who said they were his wives, sat on the porch peeling vegetables.

It’s only the betas who don’t understand the concept of sexual division of labor and the proper roles for man and woman that will bring them happiness.  Men who do well with women have a keen grasp of basic human nature.  I read a study which showed that the most sensitive, new-agey pro-feminist men had the least sex partners while the neanderthal, sexist anti-feminist men had the most.  And the most radical feminist chicks had way more sexual partners than their traditional anti-feminist sisters.  Man-hating Take Back The Night chicks banging it out with the male chauvinist pigs.  Sweet sweet irony.

Weepy pro-feminism Anita Hill-supporting emo men take note:  Your spineless mr. mom posturing will not get you laid.

It’s interesting how in those Mormom polygamous families the husband is the sole breadwinner and all the wives are milling about their wing of the house doing domestic chores and watching the kids.  None of these women seem to feel bad that the’ve missed out on the career track.  Or that they’re sharing an alpha male.

It’s unclear how Abu Arrar supports his massive family. Camels, goats and a cow were grazing on his property. Yediot said he also receives about $1,700 in government handouts each month.

Total player.  Lives on welfare and sponges off the work of his multiple younger wives who don’t demand that he wear a condom.  The system can be beat.  If all men knew this society would collapse.

“My first wife is my age, and today I hardly spend any time with her. Her children are big, and I leave her alone. I have younger wives to spend time with. Every night I decide which wife to be with,” Abu Arrar told the newspaper.

Lol.  There’s nothing like trading up and letting the older models rust on the front lawn.

Activists said Abu Arrar’s story showed the urgency of raising literacy and education among Bedouin women. Many are pressured into marriage or feel they have no other options beside raising children

Moral of the story:  Don’t educate women. 

Polygamy — a great life.  Those seven guys who didn’t get a wife don’t know what they’re talking about.





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  1. Harrumph. A Bedouin man who wants a woman does not require an understanding of human nature, or at least not female human nature. He negotiates with her father and either accepts a dowry for her keep, or pays a bride-price. (I’m not sure which custom the Beds. follow.) He doesn’t need “game” at all.

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  2. Slightly off-topic, but I don’t understad the Hindu dowry logic. If:

    – young brides are desired by men,
    – particularly pretty brides,
    – particularly given the skewed hi-male / lo-female ratio in India,
    – and given that a spinster would probably be an asset to her ageing parents as their caretaker,

    … why is it that the fathers of the bride pay dowries, not the grooms?

    Now, one possible answer is that young brides have an equally strong desire to marry a rich groom. But in that case, a rich man would not be as concerned with some measly dowry; he’d probably just want a pretty young woman, no?

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  3. An existential question for Roissy:

    Women-wise, why do you do everythign that the Beduin is doing, except fruitlessly?

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  4. Wait? A study was needed to say women always seek out the alpha? I will say though: Polygamist Mormon women do not seem unhappy because it is against God to express said unhappiness. It has more to do with religion than other elements of sexual politics.

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  5. Bedouins also shower with the rain since there’s not enough water to actually clean oneself. However, they are famous for seducing foreign (specifically British) women. At least, they are in Petra, Jordan.

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  6. on October 18, 2007 at 5:10 pm David Alexander

    Alias is right. The dude is richer than the other men in his society and essentially hands out doweries as the purchase price for the brides. There is no game here, so do please try again. 🙂

    As for his welfare check, he’s lucky he lives in Israel. In other Arab countries, he’d be piss poor. I’d rather work and have no sex than to be on welfare and have sex. Photography equipment and traveling just aren’t cheap, and nobodt gives away cars for free.

    As for feminist men losing out, it’s quite possible that the so-called feminist men are really faking their interest in order to scam women. Given the choice between closeted bitter beta claiming to be a feminist or Roissy, I’d imagine that Roissy would win since he’s less likely to be a potential wife beater.

    In effect, it’s a bizzare sorting mechanism, where men who enjoy sex and are skilled at it meet with women who enjoy sex without prudish hang-upsin a similar way, but have different philosophical views about male-female relations and sex roles.

    And with the Mormon families, they’re too embedded in their religion to care, and most of them have no knowledge of the outside world. It’s a frigging cult, dude!

    BTW, given my massive 150GB collection of porn, there’s no way that I can call myself a feminist. The difference is that I just don’t act like a tool with women.

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  7. I’m all for polygamy but the average Joe can’t support that many wives or raise that many kids given the high cost of living in a modern western society. Hell, even many in very high income brackets cannot do it. Not long ago I was surprised to hear that average income in Manhattan was 73K, to which I replied, “Who the hell can afford to live in Manhattan making only 70K a year?” I’ve got colleagues that pay 30K a year for each of their kids just to go to private school. Then I heard that Manhattan has the highest income disparity of any city in the country. The top fifth earns 52 times what the bottom fifth earns, 360K & 7K respectively. Nevertheless, 360K is not enough to support multiple American wives and their offspring. Foreign maybe, but American, no way.

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  8. PA, dowries (paid by parents) are supposed to give parents some say in how their daughters are treated after marriage. Of course, if the groom’s family is greedy, the system doesn’t always work. The bride price system is followed only in more primitive societies, in which women tend to have the fewest rights.

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  9. “Slightly off-topic, but I don’t understad the Hindu dowry logic. If:

    – young brides are desired by men,
    – particularly pretty brides,
    – particularly given the skewed hi-male / lo-female ratio in India,
    – and given that a spinster would probably be an asset to her ageing parents as their caretaker,

    … why is it that the fathers of the bride pay dowries, not the grooms?”

    -numerous reasons. In the past, men were dying/ had obvious potential to die early due to the nature of WAR, and they were the breadwinners, women tend to constitute a slightly higher percentage of the pop, and also men died earlier like everywhere else, *AND due to the familial structure of older Indian society the wife went to live with the husband and his family*, hence they were not only the commodity but were absorbing the care of the woman and subsequent children into their household. For all these reasons, and in the past two hundred years perhaps more the last reason, a dowry.

    Currently, of course, this is not the case for some of these factors, hence – and me being a Hindu I can tell you the modern trends – some parents are openly saying they will not pay dowry (when they give ads for their daughters). Unusual times with the excess amount of men vs. women.

    in the article listed, the guy is muslim, and usually they pay dowry to the girls family

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  10. It’s interesting how in those Mormom polygamous families the husband is the sole breadwinner and all the wives are milling about their wing of the house doing domestic chores and watching the kids.

    Most of these families collect welfare and other government handouts.

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  11. PA, the dowry represents the costs the family has incurred in raising and educating its boy. It is not the economic loss of the bride to her family or the value of the bride.

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  12. David Alexander

    “I’d rather work and have no sex than to be on welfare and have sex.”

    NEGRO PLEASE!!! Get out of here with that noise

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  13. on October 18, 2007 at 6:39 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    “I read a study which showed…”

    Source?

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  14. In Mormon Polygamous families, the fathers have started a recent habit of kicking their sons out of town by the age of 13 in order to diminish competition for younger wifes. We’re talking about thousands of kids here.

    These kids, being stuck in an ultra-religous community for their entire lifes with little practical education, are fucked once they are exiled.

    What a great society.

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  15. on October 18, 2007 at 6:45 pm David Alexander

    NEGRO PLEASE!!! Get out of here with that noise

    I’m sorry, I’m from the Caribbean. We’re better than that. 🙂

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  16. Yes, because if there’s a group of people we should be modeling our behavior on, it’s desert nomads with 19th-century development levels.

    “It’s interesting how in those Mormom polygamous families the husband is the sole breadwinner and all the wives are milling about their wing of the house doing domestic chores and watching the kids. None of these women seem to feel bad that the’ve missed out on the career track. Or that they’re sharing an alpha male.”

    Source this as well, please. Or are you basing it on whatever data you just extruded from your own ass?

    “Moral of the story: Don’t educate women.”

    I get it. This entire site a big performance art piece to see how many “players” you can get to agree with increasingly insane statements. What’s you endgame? “Women who disobey a man can be legally murdered by him”?

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  17. DA

    I don’t care if you’re from fucking China! Sex on the governments dime is always better!

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  18. In the US you have the best sytem, if you are over 30 spciety to expects you only to be interested in divorced women and single mother’s and pay for her little bastards. If you are really lucky, she might give youn one child, andif you are really reallly really luckyn it’s yours and not from the neighbor.

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  19. on October 18, 2007 at 7:44 pm David Alexander

    single mother’s and pay for her little bastards

    I guess it’s just me, but for some reason, single moms are kinda attractive. Maybe it implies sluttiness, or maybe some bizzare masculine desire to rescue somebdoy and feel useful.

    Besides, the presence of children implies she can have more children. 🙂

    BTW, since Americans marry within a three to five year age variance, with the average age of marriage in the mid to late 20s, unless you’re in a professional career, or in the urban core, the late marriers tend to be unwanted and undesirable.

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  20. on October 18, 2007 at 7:46 pm David Alexander

    BTW, I’ll add that if the child is the result of an alpha pump and dump, the child may be biologically someone else’s, but as long as it loves me, and it’s success is because of my child rearing, I’d still feel content with the world since I made the difference.

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  21. on October 18, 2007 at 7:57 pm David Alexander

    Sex on the governments dime is always better!

    Nice shit > sex with welfare women with no nice stuff

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  22. “In the US you have the best sytem, if you are over 30 spciety to expects you only to be interested in divorced women and single mother’s and pay for her little bastards. If you are really lucky, she might give youn one child, andif you are really reallly really luckyn it’s yours and not from the neighbor.”

    I have never heard of this system. Perhaps it has been consigned to the middle class male?

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  23. on October 18, 2007 at 8:11 pm instantExcitement

    DA you would be happy with someone else’s pump and dump?

    This is one of the worst laws in our society today, it puts all of the power in the woman’s hands. What if your wife had some other guy’s kid, even if you found out later, you would still be responsible for the child, even though it’s not yours*. Still responsible for child support, if you had a divorce.

    While I don’t agree that this guy’s lifestyle is so great, it does put a perspective on the American way of life and how our “spoken values” do not match our actual values and wants, especially if the studies that Roissy discuss are true. It’s all the more reason why players do well, and if you’re not a born alpha, you’re a chump to try to appease women with money and ass kissing.

    *There is a window in which you can legally remove yourself from responsibility, but it is very short, and in some cases less than a month after birth.

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  24. on October 18, 2007 at 9:03 pm David Alexander

    DA you would be happy with someone else’s pump and dump?

    Remember, I did say, I had less qualm about marrying a single mother. If my wife cheated on me, then yes, I’d be upset and angry at her, but I would still pay child support for the children that I raised. That child hugged me and called me daddy. There’s no reason for me to abandon my child irregardless of her orgins when she’s been a part of my life.

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  25. unless you’re in a professional career, or in the urban core, the late marriers tend to be unwanted and undesirable.

    That’s exactly the point. In other countries guys in their thirties can easily marry 18-23 years old, whereas this stunt in the US would give you a lot of “creepy loser” from the young women and angry attacks from the parents.

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  26. Gannon,

    Dude, I want to live in your country.

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  27. Ganon, like I’ve said roughly a million times already, due to how children mature in the United States vis à vis Latin America, the average 18 year old female is more like a grown child than a mature adult ready to give birth to children. Men who want children and put a premium on youth will do much better to marry a girl who’s completed college.

    If losers are the ones left marrying at thirty, why would a 18-21 year old woman, or even a thirty year old female non-loser marry a loser? Put it this way. If I’m a pathetic loser geek in the US, I’m still a pathetic loser geek in Uruguay/Argentina/Chile/Southern Brazil, and the local 18 year old females would recognize that and turn me down for dates unless they were either pathetic skanks or gold-diggers. Outside of major cities and professional classes where the need for long professional schooling pushes long-term mating later, those who marry past thirty are the reject classes or the overly picky.

    BTW, let’s pretend that a 30 year old meets an 18 year old. By the time that they get married, at minimum, she’s maybe 20, 21 years old. A thirty-something marrying a lower-twenty something with college (nearly) completed isn’t that controversial here in the States because she’s much closer to the real state of adulthood with a real job (many now say adulthood in the US doesn’t start until 30 in some locations). Like I told you before, my feminist friends were dating men in their late twenties when they were 18-20. The relationships failed because the men were interested in settling down, and they wanted to have fun and enjoy their lives before settling down to have kids.

    Now, do Latin American woman get to have fun?

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  28. let’s pretend that a 30 year old meets an 18 year old

    If you take that 12-year difference, and consider that women live seven years longer than men, there’s a good chance that by the time this woman is in middle age the man will be stinking up a coffin. Not such a good deal for her, is it?

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  29. you take that 12-year difference, and consider that women live seven years longer than men, there’s a good chance that by the time this woman is in middle age the man will be stinking up a coffin. Not such a good deal for her, is it?

    Actually, if she wants to have children, it is a good deal for her. She will have a man who is still young and vigorous, but on the other hand has already enough material wealth and resources to feed her children, which wouldn’t be the case if she would be with a man her own age. So she can have lots of children. Other benefits include that the man will not leave her or trade her for a younger model as the man gets older, because she already is the prettier wife. In fact, I suspect that women even prefer to spent the last years of their life looking after their granc and grandchildren than with their husband.

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  30. Husbands never dump or cheat on younger wives for other women? Here’s three names for you:
    – JFK and Jackie Kennedy for dozens of floozy types
    – Prince Charles and Princess Diana (for the older Camilla)
    – Donald Trump and Marla Maples (his 2nd wife)

    I’m sure it happens among non-famous people, too.

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  31. Gannon, except that if he dies early, because her career skills are non-existant, she (and her children) get to starve.

    Even when you have a 19 and 21 year old marry, they just end up waiting a few year, having some fun and paying off their student loans until they can afford a small home, and they end up having kids in their mid to late twenties. That’s somewhat commonplace in the US outside of high cost of living locales.

    As for the whole theory that she’s already the prettier wife, as a 50 year old male, my 40 year old wife isn’t the pretty one when there’s a 30 year old woman mistress.

    BTW, I’d like to see you answer this Ganon. In the US, during one’s twenties, it’s generally expected that the one enjoy their life and do fun stuff before settling down to real adulthood and children in the late 20s to early thirties, with that phase being delayed somewhat in high cost of living locales. In turn, it’s generally expected that the male twenty somethings have sex with the female twenty somethings.

    In your world of thirty something poaching 18-20 year old women would normally be in college, who would the 20-something men have sex with? Do men only get to have fun before “real” adulthood while women are told to shut up and go have babies? You’ve danced around the issues without giving real responses to those concerns of mine. Of course, I’m biased because many of my female friends are of my age, so older adult males like you cut into my preferred demographic for friends.

    And I’m still trying to figure out what you see in these younger women. They’re rather immature and childish for me, so either you’re immature yourself, or you just emphasize youthfulness so much, you’ll over look the other issues.

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  32. Husbands never dump or cheat on younger wives for other women? Here’s three names for you:
    But it happens a lot less, that’s called statistics
    JFK: ultra alpha male (it is expected)
    Prince Charles: exceptions prove the rule
    Donald Trump: see Kennedy

    To DA:
    a few things:
    Fun for females is concentrated between the ages of 13 to 23, but most of them marry between 21 to 24 to men around 27 to 35. So they have their fun, it’s just less time. When talking about 30 year old dating 19 year old girls , I mean guys in their late twenties to early thirties, not borderline forty year olds.
    A lot of 20 year olds have sex with their 14, 15 and 16 year old girlfriends, although a lot of girls claim to want to remain virgo intacta, it’s a catholic country you know.
    I’m still 24 by the way, so I am your age DA.
    About my preference for younger women, it’s not that different from your own. Your top age might be 22-24, I prefer them five years younger, that’s a relatively small difference (MY PREFERED AGE IS 16 TO 22). Most men desire females between 14 to 27, being the median at around 19. So in essence we have almost the same sexual preference. Pretending that man can form deep bonds with women over 27, defies nature. Marriage for women is like sports: if you want to be good at it, you can’t be too old.

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  33. The fun that I’m talking about is the kind of “fun” that you can have when you live in a semi-adult like environment. Where you earn enough to do stuff and have the freedom from parental authority to essentially do as you please, but with few responsibilites (mortgages, children, high ranking career work) that prohibit impulsive decision making. So, it’s really something that begins at 18 and gradually grows to peak at 24-25 or so, not at 13 when you’re still a ward of your parents and subject to their rules and discipline. Of course, the question to ask is why should fun be restricted and reduced for women?

    When talking about 30 year old dating 19 year old girls , I mean guys in their late twenties to early thirties, not borderline forty year olds.

    If you’re going to mention age, mention the right group. There’s a bit of leeway between say, a 27 year old guy dating a 20 year old versus a 37 year old with a 20 year old. The former is while not common, is socially acceptable in the US in many quarters presuming the male is accomplished, not ugly, and socially acceptable. My Wellesley Queen dated boys whose ages ranged from 23 to 26 or so when she was 18-20, and her parents didn’t mind.

    About my preference for younger women, it’s not that different from your own.

    I know we’re about the same age, but we have very different viewpoints on the topic. I don’t like the youthful look of women, and I prefer the “mature” look of women because I find it sexually alluring than the cute baby faced look of a young 16 year old girl. Raw sexual looks win me over and win my interest, and the “fat” girls that many guys reject with the D cups and big ass are very sexual for me. I mean, sure I can admit to have a impregnation interest, but I’m not obsessed over fertility and quite frankly, there’s no way I would be able to afford more than two or three children, and the logistics of raising that many children makes having a career wife difficult even if she was the same age as me.

    Irregardless, at my current age, I’m currently incapable of dating a woman of my own age for obvious and well stated reasons, and I really don’t have anything in common with the younger women, and they too can do better. I guess for me, my inability to date a woman at my age just reinforces my low-self-esteem and losernish.
    Anything over three to five years in many cases sorta drops into “my little sister” mode, and quite frankly, girls around my ages can find an accomplished, employed, successful, intelligent male. I’ll probably add that my protective nature of my female friends, young neice and female cousins probably explains why I’m much more symapthetic to feminist views, and why I am leery of older men, since they have reported stories older men who too have been rather lecherous men who have harassed them.

    Pretending that man can form deep bonds with women over 27, defies nature. Marriage for women is like sports: if you want to be good at it, you can’t be too old.

    My mom, a single mom, met my dad when he was 30 and she was 33. They had two lovely kids. My Canadian friend is 35 and her boyfriend is 46, and they’ve been together for 5 years. I wouldn’t be so quick to write off late unions.

    BTW, I suspect that the virgin claims may have some truth to the illegality of abortions in Latin America. I also suspect the divorce rate is low for the same reasons, primarily due to the strong power that the Catholic Church holds in these nations.

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  34. the bedouin man makes a great living my trafficking sex works and hard drugs through israel
    at least now they make his brats serve in the army

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  36. I’m pretty sure Roissie’s last sentence was toungue-in-cheek. But to those naive ones who think polygamy is great, ask yourself a few questions:

    A) If you’re a man, are you honest with yourself when you envision yourself having seven wives, rather than being one of the seven hapless lads without a wife?

    B) If you’re a woman, are you sure you’ll be living carefree in a swanky Playboy Grotto with other giggling young things, under the benevolent care of a rich sugar-daddy, rather than starting out as a lowest drudge on the totem-pole, bossed around ruthlessly by the oldest wife who is more like a live-in mother-in-law with first dibs on the husband?

    Now, even if you beat the odds on A or B above, are you sure you’d want your son to have 1-in-5 or so odds of marrying and your daughter jockeying to be someone’s loveless wife-number-five?

    And finally, even if you beat all of the above odds, keep in mind that Polygamy is as friggin alien to Western Civilization as foot-binding, squat-toilets, or chewing cocoa leaves until your gums bleed.

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  37. Yes, PA. Glad someone brought that up. Another point: Having lived in a society in which polygamy was common, I heard that the worst part of it is not the wives’ rivalries with each other, but their rivalries on behalf of their children, especially where property inheritance is concerned.

    Leadership in polygamous societies is inherently unstable because there’s no way to determine who is the heir of the leader: several sons may be born at around the same time, and they end up fighting and forming factions in order to inherit their fathers’ properties and position.

    More: even if you are one of the “lucky” males who wins the wife lottery, you stand a good chance of having to spend the rest of your life mediating in disputes between your wives and their children – and perhaps being murdered by one or another if passions get really high. Poison – a woman’s weapon – was an extremely common form of murder in Nigeria in polygamous families when my parents lived there.

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  38. Excellent additional points Clio. I’ve lived/worked in an Arab country for a while and my sense is that nubile charms of a young new wife nonwithstanding, the husband tends to love and respect his first wife above the others, and tends to sanction her position at the top of the wife pecking order.

    Also, woe onto the wife who has difficulty getting pregnant. Guess who does the heaviest housework.

    There is also the yucky inbreeding factor you get with a limited pool of fathers.

    All this polygamy talk, of course, would be a quaint fantasy of naive young men, except for our idiotic immigration policies that bring with them a realistic possibility that this barbaric custom is going to gain traction in courts.

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  39. Boy am I glad I didn’t get involved in this one!

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  40. If you look at human evolution, polygamy has been standard for most of human civilization. It’s only after religion and industrialization that the modern nuclear family really emerged. Leaders and rich men always had at least multiple mistresses.

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  41. John, I’m not sure what your point is.

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  42. Mr Smith, mistresses and wives do not have equal status. Just ask them. One gets public recognition, greater access to her husband’s income, and her children acknowledged by their father. The other gets publicly ignored, may get her man’s presents but not his income unless the man is rich enough to keep two separate establishments going, and has to accept that her children will be bastards who, for much of European history, could not inherit and had only limited civil rights. Even kings took great risks if they tried to legitimize their bastard offspring, as Louis XIV discovered to his cost.

    Anyway, it’s not true that all kings had mistresses. There was one German prince in the 17th century who actually created the position of “official mistress” in his court, in imitation of Louis XIV, but had no one to fill it because he was a faithful husband; it became a paid honorific title with strictly ceremonial duties (no sex).

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  43. this parasite lives on welfare? why are the israelis, a supposedly intellligent people concerned about their demographic future, encouraging arab not only to breed, but in such a blatantly dysgenic fashion? i’ve said it before and ill say it again – the welfare state is probably the most destructive force in human history.

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  44. Read up on the Mormons, kids. The largest pocket of polygamous Mormons in the US has the highest proportion of white welfare clients in the US.

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  45. Re: Polygamy

    The function of marriage (to paraphrase Heinlein) is the care of offspring and the protection of assets. Don’t harp on that love crap, because you don’t need to be married to experience that particular state.

    The family in our modern society has evolved beyond the clan and tribe. However, what is daycare but another “wife”?

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  46. The best way to scorch off feminism in America is to import Islam into America. Period.

    I never thought something could make me switch sides in the War on Terror (which is really the War against Islam). Feminism and the brutal dehumanization of provider Betas through feminist divorce laws have made me want Islam to spread in America.

    Future consequence of feminism : Provider Betas who get burned convert to Islam, joining the quest of natural-born Muslims to have Islamic Law, rather than US law, govern Muslims living in the US.

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  47. ““Women who disobey a man can be legally murdered by him”?

    Under Islam, yes. I’m not saying it is good. But I am saying that it exists.

    Don’t think you can be affected by Islam? Note how they outbreed Western feminists 5 to 1, and are strongly pushing for Islamic Law to govern Muslims living in the US, rather than US Law.

    Now consider that Beta males will convert to the more attractive terms that Islam provides in matters of divorce and marriage.

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  48. “keep in mind that Polygamy is as friggin alien to Western Civilization as ”

    What does Western Civilization matter when Western Civilization has destoyed Beta Males to the point where they cannot risk forming families, resulting in a super-low birth rate of Western babies.

    Couple that with Islam, where the birth rate is 4 times higher.

    Western Civilization will deservedly die, and be replaced with Islam. The only way Western Civilization will survive is if they start treating Beta Males better. Without Beta Males getting to fulfill their provider/father roles, the whole house of cards collapes and clears the way for Islam.

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  49. “It’s only the betas who don’t understand the concept of sexual division of labor and the proper roles for man and woman that will bring them happiness.”

    Yikes! That’s so anachronistic. My thoughts are: she can do all the labor, I can sit on the couch sipping whisky. I don’t want to be a breadwinner, and I don’t want to mop the floors neither.

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