Shady Character Game

With the right props and an inscrutable demeanor, you can take advantage of women’s instincts to be attracted to violent, unpredictable, enigmatic men. What’s that you say? Hot babes don’t go for criminals, thugs, or cold-blooded soulkillers? Keep telling yourself that.

If your lying eyes aren’t enough to convince you of the depraved nature of women’s desire, take it from the commenters who have every incentive to prove me wrong.

S. (a girl) wrote:

I don’t think something as far as implying you were a killer would be effective, since I wouldn’t want to be left alone with the guy. The person I’m currently seeing tells me that he implies he used to do a lot of drugs because it builds intrigue, in spite of it not being true. When I went to help him move however, I found some court documents for things like vandalism, petty theft, etc. and I was surprisingly more unfazed than I should have been.

Do you want a woman eating out of your palm? Make her think you’ve killed people! Don’t actually tell her, of course. Just leave subtle hints about a shady past you may or may not have had. Let her fill in the blanks. Although they will never admit it, women love filling in the blanks of the lives of their men. By cultivating an aura of mystery you give your women permission to indulge their need for manufactured drama. This is what women do best: Create worlds of pointless drama to impart meaning to the childless void in their lives. Men don’t do this because the very nature of men’s existence is drama, AUTHENTIC drama, from birth (more male babies than female babies die) to death (men die younger and die more often from accidents, disease, and violence).

Commenter Madras offered some good ideas for Shady Character Game:

Two tricks I use for relationship/regular-fuck-buddy game:

1.  Put a round under the pillow she is going to use every once in a while and let her find it.

2.  Forward her news articles about un-solved murders.

This would work. Here are my suggestions (some from personal experience):

  • Cut letters of various shapes and sizes from magazines and make a threatening note to an anonymous recipient. “Forget” to mail this “letter” and keep it semi-hidden in your top desk draw. One thing I’ve learned over the years — if a woman likes you she is eventually going to snoop through all your shit. You won’t be able to stop her, no matter how diligently you watch over your stuff. Because of this sinister female reality, I have perfected the art of the “rapid evacuation shit”, so that when I have a girl over and I have to take a dump, I can force out the turds at lightning speed and be done in under 15 seconds, less time than she is able to start poking around my place. I’ve had times where I was in the bathroom for a couple of minutes enjoying a pleasant dump, and when I finished the girl was standing at the bathroom door confronting me about a CD she found next to my computer that another girl had made for me.
  • Do you have arrest records? Keep them hidden in plain view. The worse the infraction, the wetter she’ll get. Unless its an arrest for possession of child pornography. If you don’t have arrest records, you can find guys who do and make photocopies of theirs, then scan the copies into your computer and use photoshop to change the name. Best type of arrest: Manslaughter. She’ll think you killed a man who probably deserved it and you had a good lawyer who got you off.
  • Keep one long, sharp knife in a separate kitchen drawer by itself. Never use it to cut food. Bonus: It has an ivory handle carved with arcane Pagan symbols.
  • Store drug paraphernalia in a cabinet. When she asks, tell her they’re “items of interest”.
  • Did you cut yourself badly once? Save that blood-stained garment in your dresser. Alpha move: Put a “bullet hole” through the blood stain. Super alpha move: The garment is a woman’s blouse.
  • Do you have any Mafia connections in your family? I do. (See: Goodfellas, Scene I, Upstate New York). Hang on the wall an old photograph of your great grandfather looking like a sharp-dressed Don.
  • Keep a small, black velvet purse full of cubic zirconia stones (or if you’re really poor, quartz crystals) stashed in your bedside table.
  • Passports with stamps from countries designated by the CIA as sponsoring terrorism or those which have no diplomatic ties with the United States are sure to pique your woman’s interest. For a pointer, see this list. If you haven’t been to these countries, just make your own stamps and read Wikipedia for a cursory knowledge of the local culture and political climate. She’ll never know the difference.
  • Never let her see, or put something inside, the trunk of your car. If she presses, tell her the lock is broken.
  • Install a large safe. Never tell her about it, or what’s inside. Keep one dried black rose in the safe. “Accidentally” leave the safe lock combination in full view one day for her to find.
  • Do you have an attic or basement? Buy a large, antique oak chest with a giant lock and store it there.
  • Occasionally rise from bed at 3AM while she snoozes. Leave for an hour. When you return, rustle the sheets a lot so she wakes up. Do this twice a month for a year.
  • Own a gun.
  • Own a vial of arsenic.
  • Own a green-eyed black cat.
  • Have a crate full of videocassettes or microfiche in your closet marked “Drop off points”, “Runners”, “Moles”, and “Sabine”.
  • In blood red ink, have what looks like a love note in your jewelry box with the words “You did this to me” written on it.
  • Have a “lost year”. When she asks you about it, assume the thousand yard stare, sigh heavily, and say “There’s not much to say.” Smile, and pour yourself a cup of tea immediately after saying this. It adds weightiness to your words.
  • Edit a family home video of yourself as a child with interspersed frames of a cute but unkempt girl sitting on the floor in the corner of an empty, dimly lit room speaking to the unseen cameraman. She is dragging her hand through her hair while saying “I can’t right now”, “Stoooop”, and “I won’t tell anyone”. You will need to have made the “girl on floor” film with one of your girlfriends. Remind yourself to do this. Once you have finished this creepily intriguing edited film, place the cassette or DVD in plain view so your current girl(s) see it.
  • Take a bunch of old-style, photo booth pictures of you and a girl you’re dating. Draw a thick black bar over the eyes of your girl. After you break up, save these “girlfriend redacted” photos for a future girlfriend to stumble across.
  • Build a darkroom.
  • Give yourself a cool facial scar.




Comments


  1. The day after i met my hub he took me to his place and showed me his homemade weapons collection he kept near his bed. they were crazy. one was a knife sharpener with electical tape hold 100 tacks around it with needles sticking out of the top. i was, um, intrigued–to put it modestly.

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  2. I like to keep my M4 in the corner of my closet where I hang my clothes. They see it when they do my laundry and are petrified of it, but they like it. I don’t keep it loaded though, I have clips hidden throughout the house…

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  3. July 31st, 2009: roissy jumps the shark

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  4. this must be a joke. I can’t believe any guy would go as far as photocopying another mans arrest records.

    If i found newspaper clippings of unsolved murders i would probably be freaked out by my bf/guy im dating.
    It definitely wouldnt be a good thing at all .
    I think it’s a good idea to seem like a “bad boy”
    but all the other stuff is over the top. I just wouldn’t want to be with someone who i don’t feel safe with or someone who has no integrity and doesn’t deserve my respect.
    If i found out a guy i know had killed someone i would end it .
    I actually have been with a guy who went to jail for manslaughter. We dated for like a week and no more. I was too worried that he would kill me and of what type of person he really was .
    All of the stuff you suggested is both creepy and hilarious .
    I really hope no guy would take it seriously and do any of that.

    I don’t have a problem if they guy does drugs such as blow or marijuana. but i dont want an addict .
    I would just think he’s as open minded as i am .
    small harmless things like that are ok and may even be intriguing . murder is not .

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  5. what the hell….

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  6. I find myself having to tone down real events in my past than fabricate them, lest girls think I’m making stuff up.

    PS: solid list. Except I don’t understand this one:

    Did you cut yourself badly once? Save that blood-stained garment in your dresser. Alpha move: Put a “bullet hole” through the blood stain. Super alpha move: The garment is a woman’s blouse.

    You want her to think you got shot while cross-dressing?

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  7. Mandy! Xd’s getting wet already….

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  8. This shit is straight out The G Manifesto Playbook.

    For instance, went to a dope charity gig last night.

    This fly girl stepped to me and asked what I did for a living.

    I responded: “I rob drug dealers”. (I don’t even lie any more about what I do for a living).

    Right there she was done.

    Their is no competition anymore in The Down Economy.

    It is open season.

    – MPM

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  9. That power dump bit is fucking hysterical.

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  10. hilarious.

    ” have perfected the art of the “rapid evacuation shit”, so that when I have a girl over and I have to take a dump, I can force out the turds at lightning speed and be done in under 15 seconds”

    nothing in this world is worse than a truncated shit. but it sucks having to force one out because you realize you left your cell phone sitting next to your chick in the bedroom.

    one of my good friends has a thing for *ex-cons*. in fact, she gave a rimjob to her ex-con boyfriend *BEFRORE SHE LOST HER VIRGINITY*. smart move, huh. here’s the kicker, she’s a fucking teacher.

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  11. G, why do I suddenly hear some black gay guy from Baltimore whistling “The Farmer in the Dell” when I read your posts?

    Minus the gay part, ‘course.

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  12. PA

    “I find myself having to tone down real events in my past than fabricate them, lest girls think I’m making stuff up.”

    You and me both.

    I think the key is the conviction when you tell girls your past.

    The flash custom suits and flashing the huge wad of CASH are also necessary in pulling off the move.

    – MPM

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  13. lurker

    “G, why do I suddenly hear some black gay guy from Baltimore whistling “The Farmer in the Dell” when I read your posts?”

    Not sure what you are talking about.

    The only song going through my head on repeat is:

    – MPM

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  14. “I find myself having to tone down real events in my past than fabricate them, lest girls think I’m making stuff up.”

    I have stuff I’d only reveal to men in pubs with money for beer.

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  15. HILARIOUS! Epic Win.

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  16. Nice wishful thinking, lurker.

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  17. Why pretend to be dangerous.

    Unless you are a liberal pussy who believes the cops will always save your ass, you would know that a man’s life is full of danger.

    All men should own:
    Guns. Keep one loaded, in a lockbox near the bed.

    A weapon that does not need to be reloaded (Bowie knife, sword, Zulu spear.) Displayed as ‘decoration.’

    A large fireproof safe in the closet, bolted to the floor.

    Silver and gold bullion coins.

    A video security system with the backup tapes/discs stored in the safe.

    A well-stocked first aid kit with antidotes for the most common poisons.

    An emergency bag with the items you’ll need in case you have to evacuate your place, in the middle of the night.

    These items alone will do the trick. When she asks about any of these things, just tell her, “After what happened to me in the past, I’ll never get caught without it again.” And do not elaborate.

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  18. “william de vaughn- be thankful for what you’ve got” is an excellent song.

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  19. G, see The Wire. Your persona is as if you were Omar Little, if Omar were straight and not poor (though he does retire to a nice island resort at one point).

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  20. on July 31, 2009 at 12:56 pm Steve Lurkel

    G,

    lurker is referring to the ghetto Robin Hood known as “Omar” on the acclaimed television series, “The Wire.” In one episode, he used the line, “I rob drug dealers” when asked his about occupation in court.

    Great show. Great character.

    Not an international playboy though.

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  21. Own a gun.

    A gun? Try lots of them. Clean them all on the kitchen table every weekend.

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  22. A.J. Travis,

    Great tips.

    I like keeping diamonds on hand as well, in case I need to ship out down south. And I am not talking about Alabama either.

    “A weapon that does not need to be reloaded (Bowie knife, sword, Zulu spear.)”

    I used to be really down with the Asian Kung-Fu steez.

    Nunchaku all day.

    But the penalties are to brutal.

    Better to go with the heater.

    And always keep a Louisville in the Coup deville.

    – MPM

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  23. lurker, Steve Lurkel,

    Gotcha.

    I need to check that show. My little brother gave me some bootlegs a while back.

    – MPM

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  24. Omar’s the man. Like a diamond amongst quartz.

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  25. gig´s law about how you become known as a bad boy with the minimum personal risk

    fight in places where you are not going to return and where bouncers will be able to stop the fight in less than 2 minutes.

    do this once a year. more than that your friends will start avoiding you because they won´t like to be expelled with you from the clubs

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  26. “I can force out the turds at lightning speed and be done in under 15 seconds”

    I call that diarrhea

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  27. “I call that diarrhea” — or the aftereffects of a cup of Starbuck’s.

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  28. I neg girls by shooting them with my dick.

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  29. “aftereffects of a cup of Starbuck’s”

    —lol, Tarl. A friend of mine worked as barista for a botu a week, and was miserable among the SWPLers/hipsters that made the rounds, along with the caffeine addicts. He talked about how coffee shop lingerers would use the bathroom a ton, and he would time them between time buying drink and time to restroom.

    He called it “yuppiegush.”

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  30. on July 31, 2009 at 1:31 pm Willard Libby

    I like to dress in all black, with a cape. And a top hat.

    My walking cane/weapon in one hand with the other hand I’m usually twisting the end of my handlebar mustache.

    I don’t make eye contact, my eyes dart searching for vulnerable female prey.

    I’m usually only noticed turning a corner. Dare to follow me and I will be gone!

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  31. MOSTLY WELL PLAYED…but the passport idea is cheesy and dumb…alot of burkenstock wearing beta doods go to cambodia or other strange places during JYA. Also, you are likely to fuck up your passport and make it un-usable.

    However, the leaving at 3am idea is great.

    Also, I like to leave my brower open to news stories about unsolve murders, especially when a husband is suspected of killing his wife.

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  32. Her: “So, what do you do?”
    Me: “I run a hedge fund”

    Instant shady.

    A) almost no one actually knows what a hedge funds does. Especially girls.

    B) It means you’re rich. I don’t actually run a hedge fund

    C) It means you’re evil

    D) even if you do run a hedge fund, you don’t have to do much. Rent an office with some servers and flatscreens.

    If she asks about it, just say you can’t talk about it cuz you’re under investigation by the SEC.

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  33. on July 31, 2009 at 1:42 pm Backdoor Man

    This post belongs in your Hall of Fame.

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  34. @ el chief

    once in Uruguay I was with my friedns and we got invited to a VIP birthday. Girls there were hookers or semi-hookers, all purely gold-diggers, and one friend was bluntly asked if his family owned a business

    he answered: we have a bank
    she: wow. is it big?
    he: not much in Brazil, but we do good in the US
    she: what´s the name of the abnk?
    he: Goldman Sachs

    people still laugh of this story even now 3 years later

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  35. PA –

    You want her to think you got shot while cross-dressing?

    Going for the woman abusing or serial killing vibe.

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  36. heh, I think it’s hot and almost unusual when a man can drive a stick or even more one of those dannnnngerous things like a motorcycle or fly a plane. Knowing how to read an altitude map or a compass. Being able to disarm a firearm. Having a few lighthearted stories about dangerous but not too dangerous/illegal youthful escapes with other boys. The actual suggestions of criminal or badassery past would intimidate the stuffing out of me.

    Either I really have spent waaaay too much time around major wimps or I can not handle the manly man that is brewing.

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  37. Of course, this is only effective if you’re an otherwise respectable individual. Bonus points if you have a professional job. The guy in question was a lawyer, so I found the situation saturated with irony & intrigue.

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  38. This post, and that first suggestion in particular, have led me to think you are some type of comedic genius who is writing this site as a hoax.

    You and G Manifesto should team up and write a religious text about game, similar to the way Elron Hubbard created Scientology. If it was chalk full of suggestions like the stalker threat letter one I’d buy it for sure…

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  39. A little overboard, but yeah. Another tactic:

    Be a nomad. Go away 3-4 months out of the year. Don’t talk about why.

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  40. on July 31, 2009 at 2:11 pm ironrailsironweights

    I have perfected the art of the “rapid evacuation shit”, so that when I have a girl over and I have to take a dump, I can force out the turds at lightning speed and be done in under 15 seconds, less time than she is able to start poking around my place. I’ve had times where I was in the bathroom for a couple of minutes enjoying a pleasant dump, and when I finished the girl was standing at the bathroom door confronting me about a CD she found next to my computer that another girl had made for me

    You could avoid the snooping problem by inviting her for a nice Cleveland Steamer.

    Peter

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  41. Willard – officially the wierdest commenter here. And my favorite

    Joe – thanks for the explanation but I was making a joke about the cross-dressing

    Assanova – are you a known PUA like Roissy/ Roosh/ Mystery, or just a regular commenter? serious question; I thought someone once said about you having a book or DVDs or something dealing with Asshole Game

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  42. on July 31, 2009 at 2:15 pm ironrailsironweights

    Occasionally rise from bed at 3AM while she snoozes. Leave for an hour. When you return, rustle the sheets

    Unless she woke up when you left the bed an hour earlier, she’ll think you were up for just a few minutes to Drain the Weasel. What’s that going to accomplish?

    Peter

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  43. the concept is solid and true – and bad news to those guys who *don’t* really have anything shady in their past. (at least on the attraction front. we’re better off in most other respects. although i have been in a number or rogue states, and wouldn’t have to fake the passport stamps.) but the list is mostly silly. i actually agree with LR (gasp) on this, that it’s stupid to try to fake it. women can detect phoniness pretty easily, and whatever game you use or image you project has to be consistent with who you really are.

    also, the best other insight in this post, done elsewhere as well, was about women filling in the blanks in your life to satisfy a need for manufactured drama. true, true, true.

    @LR – doubting the GMan? i guess you’ve forgotten how wads of cash are appreciated by strippers.

    @lurker, GMan, all – Omar Little was an awesomely original character, but kind of the anti-GMan, you have to admit. in basically every respect. He did rob drug dealers, though, and was very good at it.

    @GMan – you imply that that’s what you *actually* do – rob drug dealers? i thought you traded futures. or maybe you do, and take deliberate losses from your drug delaer investors for the tax breaks? 🙂

    @el chief- OK, here’s a question related to my congruency point above. say you’re living in vancouver and you say you work for a hedge fund. and you get the lay. then what? sooner or later she’ll find out you aren’t rich, don’t trade converts or whatever, and are full of shit. so i suppose it’s a trade off between looking for a relationship, even a short-term one, vs. coming up with the best bullshit lie to get the same night lay.

    @gig – are all the hot golddiggers in punta del este so dumb…?

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  44. I support Assanova on this one. To me it just doesn’t seem to make much sense; what’s being proposed, unless you’ve actually lived a life close to such things, is basically incongruent, a major no no in the world of Game.

    [editor: you don’t have to worry so much about congruence as long as you stay silent about your past for the most part. congruence becomes an issue when you talk too much about being a once-and-future badboy. just a few hints will do ya.]

    And like Assanova I’m no pushover. Of course, I prefer to negotiate and otherwise find an amenable solution to problems; but if necessary, violence can and will be applied. In extremis.

    Maybe its due to a lifetime of such things, but I really don’t like to discuss such things w/the Women in my life. Some things are better left in the past.

    I consider Women to be attracted to serial killers, rapists, gangbangers and the like, to be sick. Its true, Women do indeed like violent Men, but that has to be seen within a proper context. The kind of Men discussed in this thread aren’t healthy people, and nor or the Women who lust after them. This is just my view.

    As w/errthing else in life, choices have to be made. I don’t deny that the above that Roissy outlines will not get you laid, it probably, most likely, will if you do it right.

    I’m just saying its not for me.

    O

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  45. Killers don’t need to leave “hints” since they are charming and manipulative enough to bed any girl in the first place. They also don’t need a women ruining their fun. That said probably the best indicator are psychotic drawings, writings and pieces of various colored hair… blood stained clothes or sheets also works at the cleaners. Just say it’s cranberry juice. Now I have go return some DVDs.

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  46. @al – driving a stick and reading a map passes for “manly” in your world? sad. i guess that explains why metrosexual betas do so well in environments like that, in which masculinity and male behaviours/values have been deliberately stripped away.

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  47. Weird. But how about you have ALL OF THEM? What then, Roissy? 😛

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  48. on July 31, 2009 at 2:32 pm Basil Ransom

    G is Roissy.

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  49. Oh, no doubt, Omar Little’s a very complex, brilliant, and bad Man. His testimony against Marquis “Bird” Hilton in the murder of former D’Angelo Barksdale murder case witness William Gant in Season 2 of The Wire is classic. The exchange btw him and Maurice Levy is worth the price of admission alone (the shotgun & briefcase remark).

    But personally, my style is a bit closer to Brother Mouzone.

    O

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  50. This is pretty ridiculous stuff. I couldn’t pull most of it off except for the Mob relative thing (italian) and maybe I could buy a big knife or sword.

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  51. Fucking hilarious.

    Real life examples of ex-girlfriends snoopings:

    One girl found a photograph of Christine Turlington I had cut out and placed in a drawer and forgotten about years before. I did not even know it was there. When she found it she became insanely jealous and demanded that I throw it out. Then, for the next few weeks she moped around wondering if I found her less attractive than Turlington.

    Another girlfriend found another photograph I had of a old girlfriend. She said she found it in the process of looking for a key she thought she put in my desk draw. Sure. She then accused me of still being in love with her. I fucked her brains out that night and she loved it too.

    Still another girlfriend once wanted to know the name of one of my ex’s so I told her: Jessica. She shuddered and said, “Don’t ever say that name again.”

    Yet another said, “You treated so and so this way, you loved her, why don’t you treat me that way too!” She would not shut up about that.

    One girlfriend searched my pc, claiming some lame excuse about wanting to clean up my hard drive or something, and found some stuff I had written, unfavorably, about her. She balled her eyes out. Then we fucked that night too. And she loved it.

    Another girl became insanely jealous when I was helping mutual friend of study for her Ph.D oral exams. She accused us of having an affair, which we were not, because I found the other women unattractive. They were best friends before the accusation and were never friends after that. Yeah, women love to manufacture drama. We continued to have great sex too after that incident, usually with me telling her how much I would love to fuck another girl while I was fucking her and how she just had to accept that.

    Many women have told me, when the internet was first becoming a resource to pick up women, how they loved to fill in the blanks while talking to someone via IM’ing or such stuff. This was back in the late 90’s when this was all new and exciting. Now it has gotten lame.

    One girl used to always complain about how “distant” I was, and how hard it was to get to know me. She also told me I was the best sex she ever had, the first guy to give her and orgasm and that she loved me and wanted to be with me “forever”. And we did have great sex, usually right before and after her wondering why I was so distant. She was so loud a screamer, especially during orgasm, that sometimes I had to put a pillow over her just to muffle the sound so my neighbors (apartment) would not wake up and complain the next day, which they did on occasion. The neighbors girlfriend though would always have this look in her eye when we exchanged glances. Her boyfriend was clueless, of course. When women find out a guy is good in bed, they usually want some too.

    Another girl told me how she needed to analyze every little thing that was going on between us, because, “I can’t help it”.

    There are many more examples, but I think you get the picture. Great post Roissy because it is so damn true.

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  52. […] through deception. Roissy’s crowning achievement in faking intrigue is his “Shady Character Game,” which offers up 22 helpful tips on how to cultivate that irresistible murderer […]

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  53. on July 31, 2009 at 2:37 pm Cannon's Canon

    “personally, my style is a bit closer to Brother Mouzone”

    bullshit, O. you rock a kafiya!

    personally, i go with an adebisi-stype skull cap dangling precariously on the side of my head.

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  54. Oh yeah, and there was the girl I knew who used to like me to write her sexy letters and who had also been involved and was still corresponding with a convicted murderer in the state prison. I never actually fucked her because our timing was off (she lived in a different part of the state), but she was into this murderer in prison. Her being interested in convicted murderers was a bit too much drama for me so I ended up just staying away. She was hot though.

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  55. I can force out the turds at lightning speed and be done in under 15 seconds

    i second the diaherria comment. that must be straight up liquid son! lol

    Hang on the wall an old photograph of your great grandfather looking like a sharp-dressed Don.

    ima need g manifesto for this one.

    also you could hang a mugshot of yourself. bonus points if the frame is made up of lead alloy. you tiger!

    or you could also grow a beard. for some reason its attributed to shadyness/deviousness. i read the study but forgot where its at.

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  56. obs has much more stringer bell in him than he lets on … brother mouzone just has that aloof coolness and NOI discipline about him. plus, he’s an assassin.

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  57. You’re so familiar with all this. How suspicious and dark…
    Oh, roissy, you get hotter every day.

    If anyone sees a romance novel on the shelves with the following plotline:
    Raine falls in love with a cynical ladies. Noone’s ever spoken to her the way he has. Yes, she believes him when he says she needs a father for her son and she knows just the man she wants. In her love lies this world-weary man’s redemption.

    However, he has a dark past. An ancient enemy of Don Wideman, his great grandfather, had sworn vengeance against his family and took his parents away from him as well as seducing his almost fiance. He had no choice but to extract vengeance, yet the blood of it is still on his hands (and in his drawer). He turned to drink and other passing delights, swearing never to trust a woman again…
    Well, it wasn’t me, k?

    This post is just flipping hilarious.

    Own a green-eyed black cat.

    Yes, Lady Fluffles adds just the right touch of dangereuse and debonair.

    Smile, and pour yourself a cup of tea immediately after saying this.

    Because acting British always makes you villainous. What kind of tea? Organic green tea with jasmine and ginger? Hardcore.

    You know it seems odd to me that a man isn’t curious about his female. Don’t women love their secrets?

    I’m glad guys don’t search through their girl’s stuff. I wouldn’t want him to find my…

    hmm, no of course I’m being silly. As innocent as Pollyanna.

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  58. Raine falls in love with a cynical ladies’ man.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to voice that suspicion about Raine.

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  59. Cannon,
    LOL. I never got into wearing kufis (skullcaps) for some reason. Just never resonated w/me.

    Anyway, yup I wear keffiyahs. Lots of em. They look very nice against my overcoats, leathers and the like.

    But aside from that, my style of dressing ain’t that far from Brother Mouzone’s at all. Sans the bowties, of course.

    And I dig Brother Mouzone’s temperment, much like my own-even, cool, chill. Very little ruffles his feathers.

    He’s a strictly business kind of guy who would never do the kinds of stuff Stringer Bell does, like, for example, sexing D’Angelo’s baby mama? The very idea is repugnant to me. NEVER mix business w/pleasure, that’s been my motto going way back. And, this is mentioned in The Prince, as well, something Bell didn’t have on his bookshelf, as I recall (he did have, prominently placed, The Wealth of Nations).

    I like Brother Mouzone’s efficiency, smooth style, and Malcolmesque way about him to such an extent, that all he needs to do to keep Cheese & company away from the towers is for him to sit on a bench reading the Atlantic magazine.

    Now, that’s effective.

    O

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  60. College? Boy!

    i second the diaherria comment. that must be straight up liquid son! lol

    Are you too dumb to know how dumb you are? LOL? Why didn’t you add a smiley?

    Get off of the phone. Adults are talking.

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  61. Fuck, this is some excellent advice. But to apply most of those bullet points to your life would take considerable effort. You’d have to meet a very inspiring girl to be willing to do this shit just to build her intrigue.

    Next time a guy e-mails you about how to get the ‘one girl’ he wants, maybe you should direct him to this post.

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  62. “I rips and I run”

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  63. @bhetti – brilliant. top form.

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  64. Xsplat, you’re so much cooler than any of us, why do you hang around with such peons?

    /sarcasm

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  65. I REALLY hate people snooping in my shit.

    Unequivocal evidence that a woman searching through your stuff is a projection of what you’d find in her stuff.

    Or at least that you really should consider the idea before you pop the prenup. Sorry, the question.

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  66. A lot of this reminds me of the “spy game” that Bill Paxton ran successfully in True Lies.

    Simon: Okay, just ask yourself: What do women really want? You take these bored housewives, married to the same guy for years, they’re stuck in a rut, then need some release! Promise of adventure, a hint of danger. I create that for them.
    Harry: So basically, your lying your ass off the whole time. See, I can’t do that.
    Simon: What are you, a boy scout? No, no, no, think of it as playing a role as fantasy. I mean, you got to work on their dreams. Get them out of their daily surburban grind for a few hours.
    Harry: But what about their husbands?
    Simon: Dickless! I mean, let’s face it, if they took care of business, I’d be out of business! You know what I mean?
    [laughs]
    Harry: [fake laughs] Those idiots!

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  67. xsplat:

    you mad?

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  68. Shady Character Game is a sure-fire way to bag lots of quality poon. I was once a federal agent, so I kept weird hours, looked like a thug a lot of the time (I did undercover work), always had a gun or two on my person. Chicks loved this shit; most assumed I was a criminal and/or terrorist, this did NOT hurt me in the pussy-hunting department, on the contrary.

    Once I met a really hot girl, cute, smart, fun, amazing lay; we actually started dating (not my usual M.O.) and, after a while, we got serious and I got permission from work to break cover, ie to tell her who I really was, my real name, actual life story, etc.

    Now, in theory, a smart girl would recoil in horror, right? I mean, her boyfriend is actually a fraud; she doesn’t even know his real name. Guess what happened …

    ME: Baby, there’s something I need to tell you …

    HER: Uh, yes? (nervously)

    ME: I really work for XXX and my real name is blah-blah-blah, and …

    HER: What? (look of slight horror)

    ME: I know this is weird, but I wanted to come clean and …

    HER: That is the hottest thing I ever heard. (She peels her clothes off and starts giving me the most active BJ ever recorded, without saying another word.)

    I rest my case. Keep in mind this was an Ivy League-educated woman who had her pick of men. My shady secret life was the ultimate turn-on.

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  69. on July 31, 2009 at 3:11 pm Jake Bronson

    Great post. But if you want her not to snoop, just tie her up, gag and blindfold her so you can attend to your business. This also gives you evil cred.

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  70. on July 31, 2009 at 3:15 pm Ms.ExceptionToTheRule

    You can’t use what I’m about to suggest immediately, but it can be effective depending on the personality and mind-set of the female targeted after approximately 4 interactions spaced a minimum of 2-3 days apart (I’ll leave the decision as to whether a female meets the personality and mind-set guidelines up to the individual – makes it more fun for me that way.)

    Start a discussion about past relationships, under the pretense of wanting to understand her at the deepest level, throw in a few bits that may or may not be part of YOUR personal experiences as long as they’re true (the fact that they’re true will be sufficient for keeping any “bulls^%t sensors” from going off) and work towards “some girl” who got violent with you, which eventually led to a similar response, and maybe or maybe not a time when you pistol-whipped that particular girl…because she had worked herself into a frothing-at-the-mouth psycho, and it “just set an alarm off in your head” that caused you to act on an out-of-character level.
    A lot of women will still want to sleep with a guy who (as far as they’re concerned) has done something like that in their past, for all kinds of reasons – it’s also effective for screening the level of crazy; some guys like females to be stalk-me crazy, some would prefer to avoid anyone who may think it’s ok to camp outside of their house in a sleeping bag waiting for them/follows them like a private-detective until she gets served with a civil harassment order.

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  71. on July 31, 2009 at 3:17 pm Cannon's Canon

    that “spy game” routine is classic

    on an arnold tangent, he made the feministing message board for cutting state funding for battered wives’ shelters.

    i sometimes read that site to amuse myself and stay on my toes.

    that post’s comments got me pretty heated though. the fuzzy math being spouted there eclipsed the standard “ridicularity” that is par for the course. someone had the gall to cite the chicago tribune for dollar amounts, and was immediately blasted for quoting “libertarian think.” (it was the only comment citing a link for figures)

    again: math, to feminists, is “libertarian think.”

    i’ve never read the chicago tribune, but have made a mental note to give it a try someday. (currently stick to the FT only)

    peace to arnold schwarzenegger, who has fucked more women than i will ever. great quads, too

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  72. Maurice,
    I will admit that if I had to choose, Stringer Bell definitely fits me a whole lot more than does Avon Barksdale or Marlo Stanfield, Men whom I consider mere brutes and little to no brawn. But Bell’s got a bit too much hood in him, and it shows in the way he does things.

    Sexing D’Angelo’s baby mama is one, but so too is offing D’Angelo and as well, trying to set Brother Mouzone and Omar Little against each other-something that proved to be his eventual downfall.

    But, yup, I’ve always been partial to FOI discipline.

    O

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  73. I was once a federal agent, so I kept weird hours, looked like a thug a lot of the time (I did undercover work), always had a gun or two on my person.

    That is awesome. Other legendary stuff I’d thought was assigned largely to romantic fiction. Of course you completely messed up The Method of Disclosure. She should’ve been kidnapped by The Enemy and Almost Died Several Times directly because of you keeping the secret.

    THEN completely have the hots for you. Much bigger way, even.

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  74. Bhetti: I played up the disclosure for maximum I Have a Deep, Dark Secret to Tell You effect, worked magically. She was hooked forever; she proved very tough to get rid of when the time came.

    As there actually was an Enemy who tailed us a couple times on dates, I figured a simulated kidnapping was a bad idea, in the long run. Operational discretion. 🙂

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  75. @Lurker: Us? You lump yourself together with the likes of the greats on this board?

    And you call ME arrogant?

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  76. Lurker, I’m not cooler than you. I’m just in many way born and doing better.

    Is that wrong?

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  77. xspalt, please you’ve already bitched 2x about the quality of the posters like an internet troll, and yet you don’t leave. Classic.

    Yep, you’re arrogant. I’m just always right. 😛

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  78. “I’m just in many way born and doing better.”
    —lol. said the wittle boy bitching like a school girl that not everyone’s getting along!

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  79. a man who doesn’t always think before he acts can end up doing something stupid and violent in his youth that makes him go to jail is ALSO usually rash enough to run into a fire to save their woman or jump in front of a bullet for her.

    women realize on some atavistic level these traits travel on the same gene and use one as a proxy for the other-unfortunately men have little opportunity today to show they are brave, ONLY rash, and women are forced to make do with other markers.

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  80. Further proving Roissy’s point, when I was living my governmentally-sanctioned double life, chicks would regularly ask me what I did for a living, and I gave obviously dishonest answers (I’ve got this thing tonight, with that guy …) — and not once did any of them get pissy or difficult. No, they were entranced by my 007-ish mysterious vibe. I don’t know that being a killer would be a turn-on to most women, but having a shady life on the side is catnip to nearly all women.

    However, don’t try the Secret Agent Man routine unless you know what you’re doing, especially in DC. You can run into the real kind, and they will kick your ass.

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  81. PA:

    “Assanova – are you a known PUA like Roissy/ Roosh/ Mystery, or just a regular commenter? serious question; I thought someone once said about you having a book or DVDs or something dealing with Asshole Game”

    I am no Roissy (I don’t get too much into sexual politics), I am no Roosh (I’ve read one post on his site about looking like you’re in a band, but not quite sure who he is other than that), and I am definitely no Mystery (I don’t use a lot of technical game.). I’m just a guy that keeps tabs on the PUA community, and I write about my various outings.

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  82. dana

    a man who doesn’t always think before he acts can end up doing something stupid and violent in his youth that makes him go to jail is ALSO usually rash enough to run into a fire to save their woman or jump in front of a bullet for her.

    Dana, I think the truth is more sinister.

    Women see men as expendable. Let them take risks. She’ll keep the house after he’s dead, and find a new savior.

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  83. Lurker, you make me yawn. I agree that we have no respect for each other. Done and done.

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  84. xsplat: 1000
    lurker: 0

    @dana:

    “a man who doesn’t always think before he acts can end up doing something stupid and violent in his youth that makes him go to jail is ALSO usually rash enough to run into a fire to save their woman or jump in front of a bullet for her.”

    He can also be very violent towards her, which is not something I’d like to deal with.

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  85. @xsplat, dana – risk-seeking is related to aggression, both proxies for upward mobility toward dominance in a tribe or social sphere. that’s where the female hard-wiring to be attracted to those alpha behaviors comes from. the offspring will be strong, dominant, brave, etc. so the fe4males crave the seed. xsplat, that interpretation is a bit much – evolution is simpler than that and does not overthink things. occam’s razor, etc.

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  86. Also, guns. Gotta have guns. The more SWPL the gal is, the more mock-horrified – and turned on – she will be when she sees The Arsenal that is your bachelor pad.

    Once in a parking garage a gal went nutso on me at the end of a date – I had (apparently, mysteriously) insulted her so she started yelling and actually pushed me, hard – well, hard for a girl. So I slowly opened my blazer and displayed my holstered pistol and gently said, “I’d calm down right now.”

    We had sex in the car. In the garage. Two minutes later.

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  87. btw, off-topic – i was going through some old e-mails and found this that i had forwarded to a friend.

    recession cocktails! some black humor for a summer friday…

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/tny/cocktail-recipes-for-the-reces.html

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  88. “xsplat, that interpretation is a bit much – evolution is simpler than that and does not overthink things. occam’s razor, etc.”

    What does that sentence mean?

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  89. @maurice:

    Lovin’ it.

    “Broke & Tan
    Fall asleep in yard on weekday, wake up sunburned and so dehydrated that anything tastes good.”

    But that’s what everyone does at the beach!

    /badjoke

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  90. @xsplat – uh, maybe i didn’t express myself clealy. i think that a female behavior that selected for mates that are prone to die early – that is, *only* for that, so she could keep the mat of straw in the cave along with the offsping with no support – is a little implausible. it’s the alpha seed that drives the craving.

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  91. The opening to Esquires upcoming novel:

    So I slowly opened my blazer and displayed my holstered pistol and gently said, “I’d calm down right now.”

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  92. Maurice – of course we agree that females are attracted to risk takers.

    But risk takers are gamblers, right? Therefore the females are also gambers. Right?

    So the male gamber is expendable. The female uses the male as the proxy for her gambling habits.

    Cinderellas, all of them.

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  93. @xsplat – well, not exactly. the aggressive risk-taker is the animal likely to end up at the top of the herd. the ram with the strongest horn-butting ability, or whatever analogue. he can provide/protect based on that status and so has the harem of females. so it’s actually more like risk aversion from the female point of view to attach herself to a dominant or soon-to-be-dominant male. make sense?

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  94. Maurice, in human tribes, it’s more complicated than braun. There are too many avenues to the top. Sometimes the top is not even the position of king.

    Women hedge.

    They use men as gambling chips.

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  95. I ran around with a group of FBI agents when I was in DC, through a friend who was working with them on some assignment thing, and they had the crazy stories of women. I did lots of eyerolling until enough nights at the bar with the ladies acting *outrageous* to get into these guys pants. But legally sanctioned shady and illegally shady seem different, in a risk/comfort/safety way.

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  96. Maurice, I’m sure you heard that women fuck alphas, and settle with betas?

    Hedging the bet.

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  97. Hypergamous, is it?

    Social climbers. Men are the tools, not the ends.

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  98. So you’d damn well better come off as her best bet. For tonight, at least. And keep that up.

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  99. Oh Chuck … teachers are the worst. I did OK with them, but not real great, because A-hole game to that degree is just not me. I could never play it. But I’ve seen so many teachers chase after drug dealing bikers, petty criminals, and other semi-violent losers that it’s hilarious.

    Heck, the nicest, most educated, and most professional women I knew LOVED violent, and abusive bad boys. Including guys who beat them and locked them in a closet for a day. That’s women.

    Obsidian — MOST women lust after killers. Maybe not serial killers, but heck look at female-skewing Dexter. That’s a favorite among women, and they love the fact that he’s a serial killer himself (albeit one who only kills other serial killers). His character fathers a child by some chick. It’s not restricted to just trashy, low-income and ill-educated women either. Highly educated women (with master’s degrees to Phds) have in my own direct experience lusted after guys with a prison record who abuse them. Women love violence in guys, because of the testosterone, and ALWAYS over-estimate their ability to control violent and dangerous men. Indeed the more violent and dangerous the guy is, and the more women think they can “tame him” into some pet leopard or jaguar, the more attractive he is to women. That’s just fact, sadly.

    It leaves me out. I’ve been in my share of fights, they weren’t guns and knives affairs though, just middle class boys pissed off at each other, with me the mouthy new guy not feeling the need to shut up or take crap. I can’t play bad-boy to save my life. Not one bit of it. So, there it is.

    In fact, the stupid preference women have for violent bad boys is the biggest beef most men (who are not that) HAVE with women. It’s leaves most of us out, and a woman who’s played out her bad boy fantasies is both damaged goods and not very attractive to most men (she’s bonded, irrevocably, to one of the bad boys and you’re just a pale substitute, along with her many issues about her liking bad boys in the first place and your own failure for not being one). Trust me on this.

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  100. @xsplat – true, as far as it goes. but the alpha/beta thing is a bifurcated reproduction strategy. female get the beta provider as a permanent mate to raise the offspring, and cheat/fuck the alpha whenever possible. this is the core dynamic underlying female mating/infidelity patterns. i was describing the latter above, or at least the basis for the attraction leading to those behaviors.

    it’s also true, as you wrote, that aggression/risk seeking does not *always* lead to the top. but it’s viewed, by the female subconcious or whatever, as a marker for traits that will take a male there, in the limbic repitle cores of our brains, that drive the most basic behaviors.

    the male version of cad/dad is madonna/whore, but not in the shallow cosmo/pop-psych way of judging a woman too harshly for promiscuity. (although it underlies that). males want a non-slutty mate to be the undoubted mother of their children (madonna), then cat around on the side to spread their seed as widely as possible elsewhere (whore).

    both sexes have evolved the bifurcated strategies, which are not chosen but imprinted upon the subconscious, to pass on their own genes to the greatest degree possible. this simple framework explains quite a lot, in my view. it’s not stunningly original by any means, but I like the simple, elegant parallel structure.

    thoughts…?

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  101. @al- so, did these FBI dudes know how to drive a stick or read a map? i guess your tolerance for testosterone has declined since then …

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  102. mandy

    tell me how you feel about violent men after the first time a man hits you in a fight and then fucks your brains out an hour later

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  103. Maurice, not necessarily. In hunter-gather societies, there is no real hierarchy (even the mightiest hunter can come up empty) and those pissed off can stick a spear in the other, and take off with their relatives, leaving the clan reduced in manpower and vulnerable to raids. There’s not much excess food resources, not much patronage, everyone is occupied most of the time in getting food, which is scarce. People move around all the time, in search of food as local supplied get exhausted. Biggest, baddest males tend to attract negative interest from other males (and weapons equalize size and strength, as do kin networks).

    It’s agricultural and pastoral societies where big shots rule, and of course the play is risky there. It’s common for the offspring of the former big man to be killed, such as Hector’s infant having his brains dashed out at Troy’s walls in the Ilyiad. Or all the Sultan’s harem girls and offspring strangled and dumped in the Hellespont.

    On average, though, that strategy pays off. But when it loses, it loses big.

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  104. it’s also true, as you wrote, that aggression/risk seeking does not *always* lead to the top. but it’s viewed, by the female subconcious or whatever, as a marker for traits that will take a male there, in the limbic repitle cores of our brains, that drive the most basic behaviors.

    I agree, the woman doesn’t know she’s gambling.

    She is.

    We agree.

    The woman is in love. Until the bad boy is dead or leaves her. And while she shops for a man with an impressive insurance portfolio.

    Nuther words? Men are expendible.

    Not emotionally. Practically.

    Women love bad boys, and don’t much care that they might die – on the level of the inner gambler in her.

    Women gamble.

    They are social climbers, taking risks, just like the bad boys.

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  105. Lyrics from the Jonas Brothers (of Disney Channel fame) — Paranoid that my sister was listening to:
    That’s why my ex is still my ex
    I never trust a word she says
    I’m running all the background checks
    And she’s freakin’ out

    Every time I turn around
    Something’s just not right

    The new generation catches on fast!

    P.S. Don’tinvite roissy to your wedding.

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  106. Re: violent men

    I’ve never been hit in a fight, but damn, when a man restrains me with his bare hands, or slaps me hard across the face, I am rearing to go.

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  107. s thats what i meant–not getting slugged in the jaw

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  108. Also, it’s important to clarify, no woman wants a bad boy if he is a deadbeat loser. There has to be merit in acting like an asshole. Most bad boys are idiots and only have a high school diploma to their name. The number of attractive qualities have to outweight the unattractive ones, in terms of wealth, status, appearance, intelligence, charisma, etc.

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  109. @whiskey – i hear you, but again that bifurcated strategy is something that operates at a deep limbic subconcious level – the drivers of sexual attraction and beahvior that we’re barely aware of. so came up with us through the evolutionary process. all the other stuff – male infighting, child regicide, etc. – is higher-brain stuff layered on top of that to deal with it or control it.

    good post re the violent bad boys, btw – well said. it’s a shame nothing can be done about it. women go for aggression, risk-seeking and whiffs of danger the way we go for T&A, youth and femininity. i think the only countervailing strategy for inherently non-bad-boy types like us is just to be insanely rich or successful… dominant in other ways. *be* at the top, not just show that you have the primal aggression to take you there.

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  110. S

    I am rearing to go.

    I like the way you say it.

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  111. Roissy, a small fact to support your post….

    TimesHigherEducation.co.uk excerpt: “Why did they put up with strange predatory males coming along and attempting to kill their offspring every two years or so?…

    The answer is pure Darwin: sexual selection. The invading males killed the infants of the vanquished to get the females to mate with them more quickly, and thereby produce their own offspring.

    The females tolerated the deaths of their babies and mated with the killers because that way they ensured the survival of their sons.

    Src: http://timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=95421&sectioncode=26

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  112. Maurice

    i think the only countervailing strategy for inherently non-bad-boy types like us is just to be insanely rich or successful… dominant in other ways. *be* at the top, not just show that you have the primal aggression to take you there.

    We have inherent characteristics?

    Mine all changed.

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  113. I do a little blow and have some around. It’s alright. Good girls like the badness and tons of girls just like it. It’s basically a cheaper way to get ass than paying for sex straight up. I think guns and stuff can help or hurt. I think exotic weapons like swords or spears scream nerd. I think anything too exotic or fancy is probably going to backfire. I do think having things locked up is good. Any sort of secret that she’s aware about but you don’t give up is going to keep her curious which is good.

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  114. @maurice

    I think the “primal aggression” has to be sublimated into functional energies in order for the bad boy to actually nab a woman. If he doesn’t have anything else going for him, he’s going to attract someone equally trashy.

    Bad boy appeal is good in moderation. Like the subject matter of the post, whether it was facetious or not, you can allude to a shady past even if there’s clear dissonance with your overall character.

    Even if a bad boy might be good for a one-time lay, I could never bring someone like that home to my parents at the end of the day.

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  115. S.

    Even if a bad boy might be good for a one-time lay, I could never bring someone like that home to my parents at the end of the day.

    Female madona/whore complex?

    Women are devilish whores, men are bastard lovers. A good husband will smack you. Unify your mind, accept your shadow, love the enemy. Fuck like animals.

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  116. @S:

    “I’ve never been hit in a fight, but damn, when a man restrains me with his bare hands, or slaps me hard across the face, I am rearing to go.”

    If you’ve never been hit, then how were you slapped?

    Another way we’re different. Someone hits me and I’m ready to kill them. Even if it’s just a slap across the face. I turn into an animal. It’s scary.

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  117. on July 31, 2009 at 5:01 pm Willard Libby

    whiskey

    Obsidian — MOST women lust after killers.

    Unbelievable. It never ends with this goofball!

    And now the requisite reference to some shitty TV show………

    Maybe not serial killers, but heck look at female-skewing Dexter.

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  118. Mandy, pain can release endorphins, which causes pleasure.

    Sometimes people rise from licking nipples to gently biting, to hard biting.

    Sometimes people then experiment with a little ass slapping.

    It takes off from there.

    The intention is not insult. It’s a step by step process. An effective one.

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  119. on July 31, 2009 at 5:05 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Women love violence in guys, because of the testosterone, and ALWAYS over-estimate their ability to control violent and dangerous men. Indeed the more violent and dangerous the guy is, and the more women think they can “tame him” into some pet leopard or jaguar, the more attractive he is to women. That’s just fact, sadly.
    (hope you don’t mind that I have selected part of one of your posts her for reference, Whiskey)

    Exactly why I would suggest the kind of scenario I did earlier. What I want to know is, what if the woman happens to have more (or bigger & more hardcore) of a weapons arsenal? Probably better for females to make a habit of going to guys’ houses if they want to screw, stash a weapon in the purse in case of a real serial killer. If they’re actually committed to following through on using one, when the sh^* hits the fan for real. Don’t bother otherwise.

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  120. @ maurice, whiskey

    it’s a shame nothing can be done about it. women go for aggression, risk-seeking and whiffs of danger the way we go for T&A, youth and femininity.

    True story. But is it a shame? I wouldn’t go so far. Whiskey, you can’t lament the female preference toward high-T men and ignore the male preference toward hot, young things. SRSLY. For the record, I don’t begrudge either sex its basal preference.

    both sexes have evolved the bifurcated strategies, which are not chosen but imprinted upon the subconscious, to pass on their own genes to the greatest degree possible. this simple framework explains quite a lot, in my view. it’s not stunningly original by any means, but I like the simple, elegant parallel structure.

    FOR SRS! Thank you, maurice.

    That said, WHISKEY…are you in the LA area this weekend?

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  121. @Mandy:

    I’ve never been hit in a fight. Consensual sexytimes.

    @xsplat:

    Sure, that’s all good and true, but I’m entering a professional field. I need someone I can relate to intellectually too. There are a whole host of other factors at play when you decide to be with someone. Isn’t that what game is about? Getting women by maximizing peripheral abilities, not your looks, or something equally unidimensional.

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  122. @xsplat- i think personality traits are a mix of genes and upbringing, natures and nurture, so are somewhat fixed and stable but can either evolve over time, with age and expereience (i see a lot of this in myself), or change suddently as a result of an extreme or traumatic experience. it’s very hard to *will* a change in personality, though. i’m not sure most people have either the self-awareness or willpower to do anything like that. make sense?

    @S.- true, but that theory was intended to describe the basic subconcious mating/attraction drives, for men and women both. all the other social stuff, like whether a mate is socially or parentally acceptable, is higher-brain civilization stuff moderating or playing off the primal attraction instincts.

    hope you find some cock soon. i’ll be in NYC again in early Sept, if you want to hop down… 😉 just to talk about it, you understand …

    @whiskey, xsplat – i didn’t spell it out, but .. the big losers in that dual bifurcated model of mating/attraction? beta males. lesser females can always get impregnated one way or the other. it’s the lesser males, those rams that lose the head-butting contests right off the bat, whose genes have nowhere to go unless they resort to sneakyfuckerdom.

    this isn’t really different that what roissy says or other people post here all the time – just having fun saying it a different way, i suppose, is all.

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  123. Mandy: Girl, we need to srsly e-mail and talk grrly things. Shoot me one if you want.

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  124. @ Mandy! XD

    If you’ve never been hit, then how were you slapped?

    Another way we’re different. Someone hits me and I’m ready to kill them. Even if it’s just a slap across the face. I turn into an animal. It’s scary.

    Oh, dear. It’s not the same thing.

    Really.

    It’s not.

    I know what you’re trying to say, I do, and I probably agree with you more than do most people here…but SRSLY. It’s not. The same. Thing. 🙂

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  125. @ maurice

    Ya, it is not a good long term game. Although, hedge funds are just as capable of losing money as making money 🙂

    Personally, I avoid lying whenever possible.

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  126. I take back my doubting words; clearly I need to read and think better. If y’all are basically saying what S is, I get it. Seriously, a bit of blind vision much self.

    maurice I swear a lot of adults from certain areas don’t know how to drive sticks: the Northeast/Mid-Atlantic states and LA come to mind. And I was talking about reading non-road maps, like the contour maps you take into the backcountry to show passes/elevations. (if that is what they are called.) And yes, those boys could probably drive sticks.

    Which, thinking more and probably leading to an eventual redaction oh my part, most of the (younger) guys I know who could drive sticks/read terrain(?) maps, etc. etc etc., were not Democrats. huh.

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  127. @S:

    Oh ok.

    Kind of like spanking.

    But to the face. >.>

    That’s not odd.

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  128. @LILGRL – see my corollary (lemma?) above re beta males being the biggest losers in that framework. i suppose lesser females are also relative losers, so each of those will envy/begrudge their more successful counterparts.

    @LILGRL, whiskey – LA happy hour? sheeeeeyyut. (in the immoprtal expression of Clay Davis.) i wish i could be there – as an extravert and kind of a people person, i’m a sucker/whore for that kind of thing.

    i only got one curious attendee for my short-fuse NYC happy hour a few weeks ago. was hoping for a bigger turnout, but then … gee, i guess i’m not necessatily the biggest draw on the board. (now if roissy himself had an HH in NYC … different story.)

    @mandy – to pick up on an earlier theme today from another thread – you’re not very experienced sexually. so, all due respect, you’re not fully able to grasp the appeal of what’s being discussed. once you are ravaged like a wild boar for the first time in your life, and fully come into deep contact with that submissive part of your female nature, all will fall into place.

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  129. @xsplat:

    Sure, that’s all good and true, but I’m entering a professional field. I need someone I can relate to intellectually too. There are a whole host of other factors at play when you decide to be with someone. Isn’t that what game is about? Getting women by maximizing peripheral abilities, not your looks, or something equally unidimensional.

    Sorry, S, I’m not following.

    Can you shorten it for me?

    As for me, it’s always about meeting people as best as you can meet them. Some can meet this way, some that. Yup, I want the perfect girl, as you want the perfect guy. Yup, I’ll move up and on, as I see fit. Or better yet, just add to my family.

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  130. I mean, I’ll compromise on smarts and be serious with a girl who can come as long as I can stay hard and who actively seeks out threesomes.

    Seems fair. A compromise, but fair.

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  131. Dangerous is just a proxy for high testosterone. It’s also a proxy for fucking stupid. Now women like high testosterone and they also like smart. The thing is if you’re stupid and high testosterone, you’re probably going to be dangerous. If you’re smart and high testosterone… there’s no real stereotype. I mean you’ll probably be able to do really well with women, but it doesn’t fit into any cute misogynistic narrative. I think if you’re a smart guy try and behave like a high testosterone smart guy. Even better try and be a high testosterone smart guy (gene expression). Don’t try and be a high testosterone dumb guy, you’ll make your life worse and attract dumber girls than you could otherwise which will probably bore you even if they’re young and foxy.

    Now if you’re dumb go bananas. None of this applies. You won’t be able to play at being smart so play with your nunchucks and your locked up black roses that your idiot thug groupies will be smitten by. I mean it. Your dumb, trick even dumber girls the best you can. It will work. Play to your strengths. But if you are going into this actually smart don’t play dumb. Don’t blow one of your best assets playing dress up.

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  132. @ maurice, whiskey

    I feel ya — it sucks — but it’s always going to suck at least a lil bit for a large group of people — somebody’s gotta be at the top, and the rest are gonna be, well. Not at the top. Er. Yeah.

    Sucks, but true story.

    @ whiskey

    Hmm, well we’ll only be in town for one night (tomorrow night), so if you’re free anytime give me a holla.

    (That’s right, a holla)

    Anyone else in/around LA?

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  133. @ Gunner

    Now women like high testosterone and they also like smart.

    YES! THEY DO!

    Or, at least, I do.

    SRSLY.

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  134. “@whiskey, xsplat – i didn’t spell it out, but .. the big losers in that dual bifurcated model of mating/attraction? beta males.”

    Maybe…

    I get hit on all the time by girls I don’t find attractive enough.

    And every day I see men who I can’t comprehend, with their lazy weak attitudes.

    Losers? Yup. They lose. Glad for it.

    I wouldn’t want them to win.

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  135. @LILGRL- ahem, i wasn’t necessarily talking about myself in that category. i’m a non-badboy but definitely not in that non-mate-able group of excess men. not an alpha, exactly, but not a beta, exactly, either. a mix of traits from each.

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  136. @xsplat:

    I meant exactly what gunner said about high IQ and high testosterone.

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  137. Hmm, smart, high T game. Best of both worlds, excuse me while I go out and craft the “Excuse me, me and my I-banker friends were wondering how would you dispose of a body,” opinion opener.

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  138. @ askjoe

    I-banker doesn’t mean smart…

    I’m not looking for douchebag richboy, I’m looking for genius-level geniusness. + High T. + Hot.

    Mmmhmm.

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  139. @al- masculine everyday skills and behaviors corresponding with masculine political affiliations? stop the presses!

    @whiskey- geez, don’t poop out. couldn’t you get with LILPXY, the board’s golden couple, at 10PM or something after work?

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  140. LILg, well, here in DC, everyone’s a lawyer (and don’t I know that the only qualification for getting a JD is the ability to apply for student loans) or something else similar with a pompous, yet worthless degree. I don’t run into too many Ibankers here, so it seems exotic and smart sounding to me.

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  141. one of the problems is women often recognize only one form of “intelligence”, verbal intelligence. there are a lot of high t men out their who aren’t slick talkers and hyperverbal but who are amply endowed with high visuospatial skills. these men are often culturally illiterate, are wholly ignorant of SWPL values and consequently appear “stupid” at first, because they lack the shorthand of a formal education, like signalling their worldview by refering to some book they read in college.

    i almost thought my husband couldn’t read when i met him (he can lol)–he has no conception of the swpl universe or any formal philosophy, but we spend hours discussing philosophy, art, film, war, politics, history. it’s amazing, like watching a wholly uncontaminated brain at work. on his own he has come up with every major free market/libertarian concept right in front of me. does he have gaps in his knowledge? yes–but he’s eager to fill them in and connects the dots of history and ideas like a pro.

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  142. I like your comments and attitude S – (I preface this post with that as I tend to get belligerant as I drink, and so am compensating)

    but quotes only half count. Without paraphrasing and on the fly musing, quotes are not understanding.

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  143. @ askjoe

    Ah, okay, well I just came from NYC where being an i-banker is the equivalent of this DC lawyerness of which you speak. So, fair.

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  144. There are moments when I look inside the female psyche and honestly wonder if it’s not easier, cheaper, and safer in the long run to just fuck hot escorts.

    As fucked up as Roissy’s suggestions sound, the truth is they probably work on many women. I’ve seen enough in my life to know this now, though when I was younger I would have never believed it. Women are mental cases. And to think that they look down on male sexual desire, i.e. “men are led by their dicks” or “men are suckers for T&A”. Male desire isn’t nearly as stupid or perverse as female desire.

    The more I learn, the less respect I have for the opposite sex.

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  145. maurice: Insanely hot when you let the aggression out because it’s so rare and well controlled.

    That’s the absolute perfect mix from my perspective. Someone you can trust. And someone you can trust to act when needed, powerfully and decisively. I’m just, er, saying. That’s who a woman wants to be with, and evo. psych backs both these traits up. It’s difficult to find these both in one man, however.

    Balance.

    Recent changes seemed to have tipped men to being ‘someone you can trust’ but not someone you can trust to act. While on the other hand, women are attracted more than ever for someone more powerful than them and those surrounding them at the very least.

    And leave S. alone, you’re a married man, you dark horse.

    😉

    [your intentions are noble, I know!]

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  146. “Vampires’ symbolism has been debated for centuries. Lately, theories speculate that effete bloodsuckers are projections of adolescent (female) fantasy.”

    # They Embody Young Girl’s Illusions about Sex, Unfortunately, says Grady Hendrix in Slate. “These women are going to be shocked when the sensitive, emotionally available, poetry-writing boys of their dreams expect a bit more from a sleepover than dew-eyed gazes and chaste hugs.”

    # Fortunately, Vampires Are Exactly What Adolescent Girls Need says Caitlin Flanagan here at The Atlantic. “[A vampire] puts the young girl into a state of emotional confusion and vulnerability that has been at the heart of female romantic awakening since the beginning of time.”

    They’re the Epitome of Good Male Genes, says Sophie Chen at Psychology Today. “Women are programmed to respond to males who have the best chances of successfully fathering and rearing children.Vampires are often depicted as tall and handsome, a combination that signals good genes and high testosterone levels, and, thus, analytical skill, directness and decisiveness.”

    http://atlanticwire.theatlantic.com/read-more.php?id=583

    see also – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

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  147. This discussion reminds me of Vk’s view on AG. “If you’re more attractive, in better shape, have higher intelligence, or are obviously better off financially. Keep your AG to a minimum.” What are us muscular near-genius types to do? High T, smart game…

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  148. Dana

    does he have gaps in his knowledge? yes–but he’s eager to fill them in and connects the dots of history and ideas like a pro.

    It’s been said that to become a good writer, it’s a good idea to read a lot.

    But I’ve wondered. Journalists share too similar a voice. It’s not “professional”. It’s styleless. The same way that the style of clothing in a clique is styleless. It’s an accent.

    A great voice is unique – and that requires a unique life.

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  149. AN OPEN LETTER TO WHISKEY

    Whiskey,
    I don’t disagree w/all you said. My question to you is simply this:

    WHY do you stay, or at the very least continue to look for, Women in an area you know is bad for you? Why? It just doesn’t make good sense.

    I’ve been meaning to get at you for awhile Whiskey, so now’s as good a time as any:

    Please explain to me how:
    1. You have more money than me

    2. You have more formal education than me

    3. You have more social capital (and I don’t care what you or anyone else here says, being a White Male still means something in the USA today) than me

    And for all this, you sound so much more unhappier than me?

    What is up with that, Whiskey? Please explain that to me?

    Somehow, despite all my very real impediments, I’ve managed to find some measure of happiness in this world-meaning, happiness w/a Woman. I don’t get that vibe from you, Whiskey. Not. At. All.

    It seems pretty simple to me-if the Women in my area seem to be non-responsive to me, I have a number of choices at my disposal:

    1. Relocate to a new area, at the very least go to a new area to go looking for different kinds of Women who might be more receptive to me

    2. Change myself enough to the point that I am attractive to the kinds of Women I’m determined to have, come what may

    3. Choose not to play the game, and go the Dave Alex route

    There are other options, but those are basically the Big Three, Whiskey. I can do that, you can do that, any Man here can do that.

    You can also do what you do, which is constantly lament the Women of today-or, should I say, that Women you seem most to want. Because, as we all know, all Women simply don’t look, or act, the way the ones you complain most about, act or look like.

    Its just that well, they don’t excite you. They’re not hot enough to your liking. Which explains why you’ve yet to venture to Butte, MT, or Lexington KY to see what they have to offer in terms of gals.

    You know, for all of your smarts, one would think that some pretty simple things would have occured to you by now. But they haven’t. Funny that.

    But at any rate, we return to the Big Question:

    How is it possible that the guy w/clear advantages in life over the other guy, by all accounts is so much unhappier? What’s up with that?

    Hmm?

    Please, answer me that.

    The Obsidian

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  150. @xsplat- drunk posting again, eh? let us know if you’re getting a bj while typing a comment … then we’ll be more impressed! (actually neil struass had a paragraph like that in “the game” and it was a little TMI….)

    @LILGRL, askjoe- I-bankers aren’t dumb, exactly. it’s a certain kind of smarts – savvy in certain ways, ruthlessly efficient in what they choose to focus on. even more so with traders. douchebags? OK, maybe at NYU undergrad that would be the thing to say while rolling your eyes at them. and yes, there are certain behavioral stereotypes, most associated with that very same high T. the profession does attract a certain type. but trust, me, goldman sachs is not populated with dumb guys. in fact, I-banker would be a very good stand-in for the brainy high-T types outlined by ginner above. (btw, @gunner – great post, forgot to say so earlier.)

    @dana – yes, i know the type you’re talking about, and that’s a great way to say it. those guys also usually have a burning resentment against the condescension of the educated masses (did i really just write that? ugh) for failing to understand that intelligence =!= groupthink.

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  151. So, polarisation. The state becomes the trust substitute: why worry about who you choose for a partner when The State protects you from any negative personal consequences — also providing for you (not sure about US, definitely true in UK) — and your choice is your own, not mitigated by astute and experienced social pressure in a freedom of choice age?

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  152. I think one of the challenges to running smart high testosterone game is that they’re aren’t any real shibboleths for high testosterone that aren’t self destructive in a modern environment. This makes it difficult to fake, but the upshot of it is that it makes the real McCoy that much more effective. I’m definately not an authentic bad ass. I haven’t been in a fight since highschool and my MO is that discretion is the better part of valor in the real world. Since I’m fairly physically imposing I sometimes get girls who try to start fights for me. I usually tell the guy she antagonizes not to worry about her she’s going to keep her mouth under control. They act all mad at this and maybe would be receptive to being their little gladiator, but I don’t think the cost is worth it, and really I think being stern and composed with the woman might be almost effective. I wouldn’t say I’m a natural. I sort of had to learn to be myself. Have a certain candor with regard to my desires and a sort of authority with language that comes with trusting yourself, but I think for smart guys there’s a sort of transcendent post game state that you can reach. I would probably be able to make some serious money if I could articulate it but I think pinning it down with words has proven elusive.

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  153. @ maurice

    Any guy I meet who touts his iBanker status is generally douch-y. Sorry, it’s true. I’m not saying they’re dumb — not at all — just saying that they’re not the height of smartness. iBanking, like law, is an easy thing for people to get into when they have little direction (not saying that all iBankers are directionless douchebags, either), and need money. I do know a couple who love what they’re doing and are pretty cool guys. I know a couple who were pretty cool guys until they started doing what they’re doing. And I know a bunch who are just obnoxious and throwing money around. As for Goldman-Sachs, they’re a different story. Of course, they made me an offer, so that says something (though, what, I’m not sure). But Goldman-Sachs is deliberately looking for non-iBanker types that they can suck into the world of iBanking. Heh.

    Anyway, my facetious mock-point above was, I want a guy who is a super-genius. Super-geniuses are rarely found in jobs that, at the very best, are 90% “going through motions.”

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  154. @ dana, maurice

    those guys also usually have a burning resentment against the condescension of the educated masses (did i really just write that? ugh) for failing to understand that intelligence =!= groupthink.

    OH, TELL ME ABOUT IT.

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  155. Whiskey — you say that you are unable to play asshole with bitches who want it.

    I feel like playing Obsidian to your David Alexander. This may seem wierd, as you aren’t a kid like David is; you might in fact be older than me. But you need some kick in the ass.

    My challenge to you is this: go out and practice asshole moves. Start out small. Feel it become addictive.

    I did this, small scale, in fact today. I was on the Metro, and sat next to a Hot Bitch ™. She may as well have been straight from Hollywood casting. Arrogant looking, unapproachable as hell.

    I sat next to her, and assumed the giant cock position: my legs spread, my right knee invading her space big time. My right arm invaded her space too, and touched her left arm. She was shuffling with shit in her purse,and I wouldn’t yield the space for her. Just her having to press against me some more.

    I looked at her once, with a cold-neutral look in my eyes. Looked her in the eyes, she held the gaze and looked away. Sat thet way until my stop.

    The trick is to be subtle about it. Like it’s completely innocent. And — this is very important distinction — not with a spirit of copping a feel (you’re not a perv) — but with the spirit of physically dominating her.

    This is an important lab exercise for you to pass. There are prerequisites: you have to feel like your haircut is cool. You have to be wearin gclothes you feel cool in. You have to tell yourself that you are a cool fuck.

    And keep it subtle. You don;t want some bitch to embarass you in front of other passengers. You want her to think about you when she touches herself tonight.

    Note: please note that I played my little game today with a haughty-looking twat. Not with a shy or nice, or plain-looking girl.

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  156. let us know if you’re getting a bj while typing a comment

    Nah, she’s just holding my dick as she rests. Clingy girl.

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  157. IBanking does present a few problems when meeting girls.

    my take is to say that “I work in a bank; you know, when old people don´t now if the ATM is asking for their phone or their password, someone must be there to help”

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  158. maurice–“they” usually do, however im the only person with a college degree hes ever met and he basks in my approval, he has no interest in what other people think

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  159. shit tests are standard way of communication in any trade desk in an IBank

    There is dirty politics, but most of the time it is quite funny with people talking about sex, hookers, cars, trips all the time.

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  160. @xsplat:

    I think my other comment disappeared somewhere… I just didn’t think what I said needed explication high IQ + high-T > low-IQ + high-T. There’s just commonality on more levels.

    Men in banking and commerce do seem to have very perfunctory jobs. It doesn’t necessarily require intellectual exertion, which isn’t to say that men who are in banking can’t also be intellectual. It’s just usually unheard of.

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  161. @bhetti- what aggression? i like Mandy – I think she’s a precocious doll and I was giving her some advice (in explicit form on purpose, to underscore the point) in line with the discussion, and an earlier one on the other thread. i have yet to show any aggression on this board. not the place for it. light not heat, etc.

    i think S. knows I was joking. but hey, if a woman posts “i want cock” on her blog, it isn’t out of the foreseeable realm of possibility that a man is going to react to that. consider the alternative: i am so magnanimous, so eager to satisfy the needs of my fellow-creature, so in tune with my desire to increase aggregate happiness in the universe, that i would set aside my vows, just this once, to help her out. by, you know, ravishing her like a wild boar. (test: joking or not joking? no points for the right answer…)

    @obs, whiskey – obs has good points, and means well. whiskey, you’re an extremely smart and well-informed dude that, in my view, has taken a few too many communion wafers from the church of david alexander. self-pity is not the way to go – you just need to find those circles populated by females, and people in general, that are like you and share your values and tastes. LA is a giant metropolis, so i find it hard to beleve they don’t exist. it just will take a little effort to find them. you’ve posted a little bit about your history here, including some of the mistakes you’ve learned from as well as your successes. so – what’s holding you back? obs asked the question exactly right. go forth and multiply.

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  162. Maurice,
    Clay “Sheeeeeeeeeet!” Davis is a very interesting character from The Wire, and boy can he hit that note, lol. I know quite a few pols here in Philly who are very close to him in terms of character.

    As for the whole thing about blending enough High T so you have street cred, w/enough brains that basically certifies you’re High IQ enough to be admitted into respectable society, I’m sorry but there are gonna be quite a few very disappointed ladies ’round here in a few short years from now.

    The simple reason is, there aren’t enough guys going into the formal educated pipelines, regardless of their inherent T levels, to go around for all the ladies who want them. Of course, simple market rules dictate that this is a boon for the relatively few guys who do indeed fit the bill-but quite a few guys will be left out in the cold.

    So too, will be the many Women, who too will be left standing after the music stops. Please keep in mind Obsidian Axiom #5:

    The biggest losers in The New Grrl Order aren’t Men; its Women.

    For the proof, I present to the Ladies of the forum, a quick tour of current day Black America, where there you will find scores of highly educated, high earning, well placed Women-who are alone. For years. Sure, some are divorced, left high and dry for the next hottest thang on heels. Others, have a go at a Ghetto Alpha, and pay bigtime for it, either directly in the form of a kid, or two, or three, by him and he’s gone-or indirectly, by not being able to make anything work beyond the bedroom. And then there are those who become Lesbians. They go the turkeybasters route, too. Thinking they can circumvent Nature’s Plan. What a cruel joke then, is played on these gals, when they discover that being lez don’t protect you from getting your ass kicked, or from being cheated on-and kids, especially boys, still need those old fashioned things called Dads.

    American Women are at a very important crossroads at this point in history: they need to think, long and hard, about the choices arrayed before them. Because said choices carry w/them, serious consequences.

    Just a few quick thoughts.

    O

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  163. I don’t even like the term asshole game. I think it’s the wrong sort of mindset. I think the term comes from a resentful place. Asshole is a pretty crude way of describing what you’re trying to be. I’m reminded of a Norman Mailer short story, that reads like an old joke. About two men, both exactly alike with one big difference. One of the women is quite a ladies man. The other is unsuccessful. The ladies man dies and the other one curious hires a detective to try and divine the secret of his success. The flaw in this plan is that each woman describes the man differently, tender or savage, funny exciting or somber and poetic, hurt or hurting. The man is baffled and furious. The reader gets the joke. The trick it seems is figuring who to be and being it.

    Asshole is a short cut to being the man of her dreams. It’s better than your instincts probably, but worse than the man she wants. Not the man she would say she wants but the man she really wants. The man she really wants is not an asshole. Definitely not. The man she really wants is probably demanding, and maybe even controlling, but also kind. Not obsequious. Not a Labrador. A man who unambiguously wants her without needing her. Learn to figure out how to be this for the girls you want. It’s probably going to be mostly yourself.

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  164. maurice: Not thinking of now. Most explicit and visible example is over Ms Femx, thus freaking chic out.

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  165. @Maurice/Bhetti:

    Yeah, I think there’s just a lot of general playfulness on this forum in general. Don’t worry, Maurice, my blog is a definite invitation for uh, that sort of facetiousness. Haha.

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  166. Short course:

    Emulate Treat Williams’ character in “Things to Do in Denver When You’re Dead”, or Michael Corleone warning Kay not to ask him about his business.

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  167. @LILGRL. S., gig, etc. – first, i agree that boasting about i-banker status or throwing money around is douch-ey. but i don’t think those are the guys who succeed at it long term, because they’re about the trappings and image, not the job. second, yes, there’s way too much rote work, long hours, hazing culture, etc. – all that. but you do have to have certain smarts, savvy, and most of all discipline to stick with it. not defding thenegative aspects of I-bankersdom by any means – the recession has knocked some of teh arrogance out of the professino – but it’s too simple to paint them all with a broad brush as douchebags. i think we’re saying the same thing.

    and of course it’s not the profession that attracts height of intelligence. i guess you have to troll the Stanford campus for those guys. (right, al?)

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  168. . . . or Nicholas Cage as “Sailor”.

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  169. Little Girl-
    “Anyone else in/around LA?”

    Stay out of my town.

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  170. Another problem I’m having is the notion that there is only one form of intelligence. As Dana rightly points out, there are more than one way to have smarts-it’s just that Women tend to value one form over the others.

    This is a very fine line a lot of Women like S, Bhetti and others walk-they might want to take a step back and think things through.

    Just sayin.

    O

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  171. Little Girl-
    “I’m looking for genius-level geniusness. + High T. + Hot.”

    Aren’t you living with your boyfriend now?

    Why are you still “looking.”

    I’m actually starting to feel sorry for him.

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  172. @ maurice

    Yes, I think we’re saying the same thing. Word.

    Re: trolling the Stanford campus — I know a guy who went to Stanford (one who is rather high on the genius scale) who will tell you that the majority of Standfordites are just as stupid as those who go to, like, South Florida State…University…Technical College…Institute of the Arts.

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  173. @whiskey – do you feel the love? your board is pulling for you.

    @bhetti – yeah, i forgot about that. that was only semi-aggression. there’s something about that one that just pisses the hell out of me. i will refrain from such outbursts in the future.

    @gunner- spectacular post. keep ’em coming. you have lots of good things to say.

    @S.- facetiousness, you say? it’s very simple: you want cock, i have one. i magnanimously offer it up to you, though not in a glass case, and you and bhetti cruelly misinterpret my generosity.

    @AJT-LILGRL- wow. now *that* encounter would be like matter and anti-matter meeting, with an explosion of pure … uh, whatever. nothing good.

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  174. LILGRL—

    I-banker doesn’t mean smart…

    I’m not looking for douchebag richboy, I’m looking for genius-level geniusness. + High T. + Hot.

    Mmmhmm.

    You’re gloating is getting a little out of hand. The combination you’re talking about (if genuine) is extremely rare as a percentage of the population. Over 160 IQ and very high T. Napoleon was like that. Hope he does something extraordinary with it.

    An I banker at a real leading Wall St. type place and some boutiques, it depends, pretty much does LILGRL. Now brokers who may call themselves I bankers, or various other buy siders, less so. Hedge funds are the top of the buy side heap and so do attract real IQ. Traders vary a lot on smarts; different styles; it’s basics are more of a quick reaction, street smarts, and wide networking, but then if you add real smarts on top of that so much the better, and they often do.

    But even excluding these ancillary, not really investment banking sides of “Wall St.”, no, not all that many, but some have IQ’s north of 160, and quite a few backroom quants do.. Most have IQ’s in the 130-160 range with a lot around 140-150. Except for the usual AA suspects. I’m talking the line people, not staff of course.

    Real high T and extroversion are pretty rare in people with IQ’s north of 160, or clear genius level IQ. (Though most people restrict genius to brains + outstanding invention. Some call anything north of 3 sigmas or 145 genius).

    @maurice, gunner, lilgrl—

    in fact, I-banker would be a very good stand-in for the brainy high-T types outlined by gunner above. (btw, @gunner – great post, forgot to say so earlier.)

    Just so.

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  175. so, how does one peacock their high IQ, LILg? It’s pretty easy to thug out or wear goggles on your hat (high T, low IQ), but presenting Hit,HIQ?

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  176. LILGRL–

    I know a guy who went to Stanford (one who is rather high on the genius scale) who will tell you that the majority of Standfordites are just as stupid as those who go to, like, South Florida State…University…Technical College…Institute of the Arts.

    That’s the sort of exaggerated chest thumping crap you hear from some obnoxious high IQ nerds. It’s utter bullshiite. The only place there’s some truth is comparing Stanford’s AA to those places regular admits (and they may not have much AA). It’s obnoxiously sophomoric whatever his age.

    To someone with an 165 IQ someone with a 135 one will seem pretty dumb though, especially if they’re heavily socially as opposed to academically focused.

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  177. @ doug1

    Aw doug. SRSLY? I was kidding, just a lil.

    That said — I really haven’t met a lot of incredibly smart iBankers. Anecdotal, but that’s my experience. Sure, part of it is that the smart ones are probably working like crazy. I’m not asking for IQ’s of a certain level. Just, the ones I meet tend to be — not supersmart (though not dumb), not very interesting, and, er, yeah. Douchebagesque. That’s not to say that I don’t know a few iBankers who are just AWSM, because I totally do. One of my closest friends, in fact, is a very smart iBanker who loves what he’s doing. But I’d tend more toward, say, engineers, were I looking for smart & innovative & really enjoying their job.

    That was my only point. That said, I think at least maurice and I are on the same page.

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  178. @ askjoe

    Heh. Prove theorems at a bar. Gets all the ladies rarin’ to go.

    @ doug1

    That’s the sort of exaggerated chest thumping crap you hear from some obnoxious high IQ nerds.

    To someone with an 165 IQ someone with a 135 one will seem pretty dumb though, especially if they’re heavily socially as opposed to academically focused.

    I ABSOLUTELY agree.

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  179. maurice: maybe you’re misinterpreting me. what’s with your allergy to the ‘aggression’ word? She was cold calculation itself. You was entirely appropriate. More than that. Don’t hide it.

    Or the sexual comments! Yah! You better have been joking about cruelty.

    O: Hey, O., tell me what you’re thinking about when you mention me?

    Although I seem to need to be able to talk, be inspired and banter with a man I adore for huge emotional connection (and you know, this is my nature just what is in terms of what happens with bonding). Good prose can be hot. Achieving. Having a hot stuff job. Intellectually dominating.

    But the one thing I’ve consistently selected for in actual significant other is this need for kindness and safety. What I’ve been learning is that even though it’s essential, it’s apparently not enough for me on it’s own (although maybe it could be if I was fairly normal, but I’m not. It’s not that I’m special in my view, it’s just that I’m flipping crazy because Life’s Been A Bit Too Much for me if I’m honest and admit it. A simple kind man can’t handle it and I wish I had enough control to make it so but I tried and I didn’t). Because even though I like to, want to project Strong Woman, there’s a limit. I have to trust someone to be free with them.

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  180. @maurice:

    “once you are ravaged like a wild boar for the first time in your life…”

    You speak as though this is going to happen in the future.

    @LilGRL:

    I was thinking in a nonsexual context. According to Roissy hitting women turns them on but in my case it’s entirely different. Deep, deep down inside my pacifist exterior is a crazy, violent person waiting for someone to give them the call, and a smack to the face will be that call.

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  181. @ Mandy! XD

    Okay…hmm. I think for the most part, we’re talking in at least a semi-sexual context.

    “once you are ravaged like a wild boar for the first time in your life…”

    You speak as though this is going to happen in the future.

    Really, maurice, was “ravaged like a wild boar” the sexiest analogous scenario you could come up with? Hehe.

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  182. @doug:

    “To someone with an 165 IQ someone with a 135 one will seem pretty dumb though, especially if they’re heavily socially as opposed to academically focused.”

    This is true. And there are so few people with IQ’s that high; that person must feel pretty alone. Or pretty self-important.

    Possibly a combination of both.

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  183. @LilGRL:

    “Really, maurice, was “ravaged like a wild boar” the sexiest analogous scenario you could come up with? Hehe.”

    Exactly. That was traumatic.

    I kept imagining a hunter pulling out his spear and stabbing me.

    oh hey, that could be a pun. (spear, hahahaha I r so witty).

    Can’t we do “Beauty and the Beast” analogies? Or…or…Hades and Persephone? Eros and Psyche?

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  184. Obsidian – I can’t speak for Whiskey, but I’ll field some of those questions.

    It’s not always easy to relocate to a new area. A career, especially in this economy, can block any such move. I’m self employed so you would think I could leave on a whim, but the truth is I couldn’t possibly drop my clients and start fresh right now.

    And there are more things to consider than just women. I hate California’s government and massive illegal immigration, and I agree that the dating scene here is a bitch (no pun intended). I often wonder what life would be like in another state, a state with stronger families and more quality women with LTR potential. But even if my business situation wasn’t holding me back, I would still find it hard to leave southern California’s beaches and weather. Nothing puts me in a bad mood like a brutal winter with howling winds and freezing temperatures. That describes winter for most of the country. Where I live right now December is often good for going to the beach.

    Changing yourself is a good option, but the simple truth is it’s not an easy option. It takes dedication and time. That’s why I laugh my ass off when people suggest game will stop working when more men learn it. Aside from the fact that game plays off hard wired attraction triggers in women, the truth is the vast majority of men will never, ever be even remotely proficient at game. I’m not yet, and I’ve been trying. Most of the guys I know don’t even try. I have no idea where Whiskey is on that curve. Maybe he is trying but not having the success he wants yet, hence the unhappiness.

    Finally, if I may offer an observation about Whiskey, he seems to suffer from a problem that I’ve been suffering with. I hope he corrects me if wrong, but he seems pretty tied up in the problems facing western civilization in general and the U.S. in particular. You can have a lot yet wind up pretty depressed if you think your once great country is being flushed down the toilet and there’s little to nothing you can do about it.

    I try not to think about the near total destruction of our Constitution, the massive debt crushing our economic future, or the ignorant and stupid policies which are transforming America from a first to a third world nation. But the problems stare me in the face every day. There are days when I swear that the best thing that could happen to America would be for a small asteroid to plow right into D.C. (sorry Roissy) and kill every mother fucking politician, aid, lawyer, and lobbyist on capitol hill, along with most of the management of the Federal bureaucracy. I worry every day about what’s going to happen to the nation when (not if) China and Japan cut up America’s credit card (i.e. dump Treasury notes), or when (not if) the oil we’re forced to import thanks to our damn environmentalists becomes scarce or prohibitively expensive thanks to war or the failure of the dollar. Our reckless government, Democrats and Republicans alike, has spent 40 years setting us up for a very, very hard fall. The current administration at the helm of the Titanic sees the iceberg and has ordered full speed ahead. I literally hate my so called representatives right now. Never before as there been such an impressive assembly of ass fucking clowns.

    Maybe I’ve misread Whiskey and this doesn’t bother him at all. But you asked why he seems unhappy and a deep concern for the state of the west runs through just about every one of his posts.

    This is different from DA (where is he btw?). DA just seems to hate himself and thinks he could never change enough to have women in his life. I don’t see that at all in Whiskey.

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  185. Little Girl-
    “Hmm, well we’ll only be in town for one night (tomorrow night), so if you’re free anytime give me a holla.”

    If you beg me, I’ll grant you safe passage for 1 night.

    If not, you’d be wise to confine yourself to the motel room and enjoy the free HBO.

    Cause this is my town.

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  186. @Mandy:

    More like Leda & the Swan…

    It depends on the dynamic you have with your partner (re:hitting). I rarely have serious arguments with the guys I date, because we both tend to be laid-back people. If he did hit me, it was playful, and then potentially escalated into something sexual. You have to establish a foundation and a solid dynamic before those things fly.

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  187. I remember in the movie “Bugsy” the Annette Benning character gave Bugsy hot sex after seeing him beat the crap out of some guy. I thought “no woman would want hot sex after seeing that”. I guess I didn’t know women like I thought I did.

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  188. and of course it’s not the profession that attracts height of intelligence. i guess you have to troll the Stanford campus for those guys. (right, al?)

    There is no need to reference that blot of douchebaggery.

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  189. I’m kind of agreeing with the “jump the shark” comment. Better than this is to actually live the life you hinted at. I used to be a cop; got a black belt, I powerlift, play the pipes and my rooms are littered with guns and axes along with assorted manly antique awesomeness. The family trades are “town drunk” and “war hero.” Combine this with the Ph.D. in physics, and I’m Gust fookin’ Avrakatos. I scare the poon out of liberal girls, and the conservative ones vajayjays glue them to their seats when I hint about my past.
    El chief is right: hedge fund work is is super shady. Which is one of the reasons I like it. Frankly, it scares the shit out of me sometimes.

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  190. maurice —

    Bhetti was complimenting you on when you do let fly a little controlled aggression for good reason. E.g. over your attacking feministx’s posturings and worthlesss haughty opining based on a false constructed persona. (As I did.) I’d thought the descriptor “insanely hot” might have tipped you off. 😉

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  191. I’ve tried some of these tricks but they always backfire for me because the girls can tell I’m not really that type of man, and they see thru it and know I’m a phony. Then they laugh at me.

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  192. Bhetti,
    Simply put, I mean that far too many Women have high expectations but got no patience. I see this in you, just like I see it in so many Women today, though yours is tempered a good bit, perhaps due to your unique background, etc.

    What a lot of Women today simply don’t get is that their expectations are based on a very, very narrow set of traits and abilities, that very, very few Men actually possess-and, being the market that it is, it is very, very silly to think that such guys would want to settle down w/any one Woman any longer than he absolutely has to. Which means a lot of Women are gonna face years alone, especially as they age out of the market-about 40 or so, if they’re lucky.

    A very popular meme of our time for Women is “you can have it all”, which is quite naive. Everything comes at a price.

    I see a great number of Women being very, very, upset. Disappointed. Disillusioned. Just plain ole dissed.

    And it ain’t because there aren’t good, decent guys out there. There are. Its because there aren’t enough of the kinds of guys Women read about, dream about, see in film and on the telly, to go around.

    In a word, I see Women enmasse as being victims of their own success; it WILL crumble under its own weight.

    Like I’ve said before: the biggest losers in the New Grrl Order are NOT Men; they will be WOMEN.

    Mark my words, and mark them well, Bhetti.

    You heard it here.

    O

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  193. @doug “That’s the sort of exaggerated chest thumping crap you hear from some obnoxious high IQ nerds. It’s utter bullshiite. “

    I don’t know, the main ways I’ve found Stanford or Harvard dudes to excel is in self esteem, parents with wealth, and knowing people with lots of money. I’d sooner hire a guy who pulled himself out of the mire than some clown with an expensive certificate. Though for a sales role, I’d probably go with Ivies, as they will need to know people with lots of money.

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  194. DT –

    the Constitution is dead

    America is finished. Not its fine people, just the political arrangement they purport to live under

    Whiskey needs to get out of debt and move to eastern Kentucky

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  195. Roissy is very accurate about women loving shady or dangerous characters. A gal I was seeing was half convinced that I was a hitman. I never made any such claim but I kept irregular hours, had dangerous hobbies and knew unusual people. She told me that the the more she got to know me the darker and more mysterious I seemed. It didnt hurt that her exs were scared of me. I never lied to her but was vague on details. Her imagination more than made up for it.

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  196. @ A.J.

    If you beg me, I’ll grant you safe passage for 1 night.

    Are you trying to facilitate a meet-up? Is there some ❤ going on?

    WO.

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  197. A.J. Travis, you can save the posturing. I think Lilgirl is already aware of how things work. And smart enough for that sort of shit to seem corny.

    My using periods instead of commas is a stylistic quirk.

    I want to say this about investment bankers. First yes they are smart. Second, they don’t seem smart, they suffer from the common curse of the smart man; monomania. They are preoccupied with a narrow sphere of endeavor and are fundamentally incurious. This is a red flag. I’m not going to try and couch this in some sort of evolutionary psyche post-hoc narrative but I think empirically overspecialization is not rewarded on the sexual market place.

    I am a decent painter, I can play some piano, I’ve written some novels that made… not much money, I’m also a fairly successful economist. I’m well read, I’m broadly educated, and I could definitely have made much more money if I was only of these things (except for painting which for me that would largely be a dead end cash wise). What I know for sure is that basic and intense curiosity allows me to experience a richness of life that would be the envy of I-Bankers (except for those sitting at the long tail of autistic spectrum disorder).

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  198. on July 31, 2009 at 7:53 pm Backdoor Man

    @Gunner

    You are probably an Aries. You get bored with things and move on to a new passion. Like me.

    Your writing is smart. Keep it up.

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  199. O: I agree with these points completely and have said it myself quite loudly:
    — Radical feminism is a misogynist instutition and women are losing out in taking most power from men.
    — You cannot have it all (used to believe this to such an extreme extent, which lead Dave from Hawaii to call me a female DA eons and eons ago).

    Mandy: Understand where you’re coming from. Would like to speak about personally a bit.

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  200. Gunner-

    I’m a Beta Remember.

    I don’t “posture.”

    But L.A. is my town.

    I’ve got friends who are bouncers/waitresses/bartenders in every trendy bar you can name, and plenty of LAPD cops/LA Sheriff’s Deputies that owe me favors.

    I am emailing them her pictures now.

    If any of them see her, I’ll know about it in a microsecond, and be on scene within the hour.

    I can’t wait to meet her boyfriend, face to face & buy him a beer. I’m curious to see how he really stacks up compared to her hype about him.

    And if he’s not with her on this trip, and she gets a little tipsy, and decides to kiss some other girls or dance on the bar…

    My phone shoots video too.

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  201. @ A.J.

    If any of them see her, I’ll know about it in a microsecond, and be on scene within the hour.

    Dude, if you want to meet up, just say so.

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  202. Little Girl-

    Beg me.

    And this time, you gotta put some BEG into it.

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  203. AJ Travis: Ok, you can call yourself beta but all the evidence…

    Beg me.

    And this time, you gotta put some BEG into it.

    COME ON.

    I thought your most hated beast was fiance or wife-stealing A’s?

    I’m disappointed, as hell.

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  204. AJ Travis: I really am, actually. You think a man’s standing up for something he believes in. Maybe disagreement about methods but not the cause and then…

    … well, what fools women be.

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  205. If this whole begging shtick works here I’m totally going to rethink having respect for a woman’s intellect, and shame at tedious insincere attempts at apotheosizing an adolescent’s idea of masculinity.

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  206. on July 31, 2009 at 8:43 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Obsidian,

    Yes, it is very true that women are quite prone to having far higher expectations than what they can remotely get. Somehow, men are far less prone to this.

    I think the reason for this is that women watch a lot more TV than men, and are much more likely to get swayed by TV fantasy than men.

    Women will think Sex and the City is reality a lot more than men will think James Bond is reality, when in fact the two are exactly analogous types of gender-targetted fantasy.

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  207. @PA:

    “Lurker & MandiXD”

    NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO.

    Also, don’t forget WillardLibby and LadyRaine. ;]

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  208. Mandy – so in Lurker’s case, you’re saying “hate the playa, not the game” ?

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  209. This…is not something to play at without thought.

    If you’re a smart, somewhat nerdy guy who wants to seem edgier, just learn to speak Russian, and always take the girl to a hotel. Never let her anywhere close to anything else in your life aside of the experience of being with you, and never take her to your place, and never go to her place.

    Spoil her as far as the night out, which should never involve reservations or plans. Always pay for everything with cash. You always pay because she is your whore. Be clear that you are getting her drunk and fucking her. If she starts hemming and hawing about maybe, throw some money on the table for the drinks, some cab fare in her face, and walk the fuck out. Make it more than enough, but do not actually count it.

    It’s not 100% how things really go with the dark, but it’s close enough for most young girls who’ve never dated the real thing. The ones raised in it will not be out with a guy for casual sex anyway, so there’s little danger of getting outed and laughed at if you never let the naive ones get close enough.

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  210. Off topic, but I’m waiting on meeting up w/one of my buds at a popular nitespot, and on the widescreen tv is the FOX show about the BBW version of The Bachelor? Don’t know what the name is-wait, just remembered it, “More To Love”.

    Seems like the standard “reality tv elimination” fare, but I really don’t have a problem with it. In fact, I see it as inevitable, given the simple fact that most American Women are plus-size now.

    As for the comments of some regarding the show concept, etc, I think its a bit insensitive. If the Women ain’t your cup of tea, simply keep it movin’ to someone who is, the end. All the fratboy stuff is lame.

    OK, back on topic…

    O

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  211. “I don’t know. He’s antagonistic.”

    This was directed at PA.

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  212. Bhetti-

    I’ve covered this ground before, but to recap:

    In the PUA/Slutty women’s worldview, I am definitely a Beta.

    I don’t value getting laid over all else. I would not sleep with a married woman, or the girlfriend of a friend of mine, even if she really wanted me to. And I despise men who would, and the attention-whore women, who need them.

    I have dated/had sex with the hottest women L.A. has to offer, and have found them wanting. I am no longer interested in banging a HB10 with no morality/loyalty and a brain the size of a pea.

    Just so you know, Obsidian, I think Whiskey feels this same way, although from what I gather, he lives in Orange County (nobody I know calls it ‘The O.C.’) and the dynamic is a little different there.

    If I walked into a bar. Most women would not notice me at all, because I am not peacocking, or dominating the conversation, or working the crowd. In short, I am not the most socially dominant guy in the room.

    I’m the guy sitting quietly at the back of the bar, talking to the bouncer/bartender/waitress (because I don’t go to bars where I don’t have a friend working) and watching the freakshow, while enjoying a glass of Glenfiddich.

    And my friends know that I would walk through a wall for them if needed, and I have done so. Because I feel, as the Russian proverb says, “It’s better to have 100 friends, than 100 rubles.”

    The times in my life, when I have been most content, were times when I got my friends a job, or donated money to keep a roof over the heads of a guy and his family.

    Not when I banged a model.

    All that makes me a Beta in the Roissy world.

    And I’m cool with that.

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  213. @A.J. Travis:

    I’ve only seen you acting antagonistic towards LilGRL, and haven’t seen many of your other posts.

    But your last post just made my respect for you increase tenfold.

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  214. on July 31, 2009 at 8:57 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Shady character Game works, but it is about the same thing as ‘Exotic character Game’.

    A man who, say, knows how to cook some very sophisticated ethnic foods, has a bunch of stories to tell about his world travels, and can appear to have connections to celebrities will achieve the same result, without looking like a criminal.

    It is essentially the same thing.

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  215. @ A.J.

    Beg me.

    And this time, you gotta put some BEG into it.

    Aren’t you the one who wants to meet-up? So badly that you’ll resort to stalking? (See Exhibit A)

    SRSLY.

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  216. As far as my dislike of LILGRL.

    She’s a hypocrite.

    She wears a costume of decency, but behind the mask, she is the very poster-child for the type of girl every decent guy should avoid:

    An over-educated, over-exposed, attention whore.

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  217. Little Girl-

    I’m not the one who came to a PUA blog and trolled for dates.

    I’ll use small words so you can understand:

    I don’t want to meet you.

    I want to defeat you.

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  218. I looked at LilGrl’s blog. I have to say that her boy friend is a very good looking guy, but also your writing doesn’t make him come across as particularly smart. Rather he seems casually interested in things that authentically smart people are passionately interested in.

    I will say this first it is false that 135 IQ person will seem dumb to a 165 IQ person. The 165 person lives in the world where he needs to buy groceries and get dry cleaning, he (or she) is not without a sense of scale. Sure the 135 IQ person will occasionally struggle with things that come easily to the 165 IQ person but these sorts of things will manifest very infrequently in a world that is designed around people with an IQ of 85-90. Even in higher levels of Academia people with IQs of 120 are probably going to be accommodated outside of certain hard sciences and maths.

    Next and more interesting, I think it’s safe to say that a person with a normal IQ won’t be able to tell the difference between someone with an IQ of 135 and someone with IQ of 165 absent external credentialing. Even at an IQ of 120 the distinction is likely to be murky. Much like how happy families are all alike but unhappy families are all unhappy in their own ways so are dumb people all alike and smart people all smart in their own ways. Smart people speak Klingon and Japanese and read Heinlein and Proust and are soil scientists and surgeons and biographers. Who’s smarter Don DeLillo or Joseph LeDoux both have obviously grand aptitudes but they are so divergent as to render the problem intractable.

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  219. @ A.J.

    I don’t want to meet you.

    I want to defeat you.

    Oh, okay then. Glad we cleared that up. Sorry, can’t say I’d like to do that over drinks. You’ll understand that I feel your obsession with “defeating” me is more than a lil creepy, so I’ll have to decline.

    All good.

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  220. @AJTravis:

    I’m not going to comment on LILGRL because she, in my opinion, a sweet person.

    Maybe you should lay off a little? Whenever you complain about LILGRL it makes you seem a little crazy, and gives the rest of your posts less credibility because, well, who believes a crazy person?

    I’m not saying you ARE crazy, I’m sure you have reasons for your opinions, but what have you accomplished by ragging on her over and over?

    Nothing.

    It’s sort of like the fights between lurker and I. They are always devoid of reason and usually filled with idiocy, on both sides. Nothing will change his mind, and that’s that. He’s an angry little man. He has his opinions. I won’t provoke him.

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  221. This, though,

    The times in my life, when I have been most content, were times when I got my friends a job, or donated money to keep a roof over the heads of a guy and his family.

    I like.

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  222. And thanks for the recognition..just skimmed the article earlier and didn’t see it! Its powerful stuff.

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  223. on July 31, 2009 at 9:17 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    My god.

    For the first time today, I saw Kimberly Guilfoyle.

    Amazing. A genuine 10. Plus, she is not a left-wing loser either.

    Good job Roger Ailes, for finding this one…..

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  224. I’m not going to comment on LILGRL because she, in my opinion, a sweet person.

    Most female commenters here come across to me as sweet, nice, smart, normal, cute, or some blend of those.

    On the other hand, Lilgirl’s vacuous, soulless emptiness of being makes chills run down my spine.

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  225. Little Girl-
    “a lil creepy”

    If you had ever bothered to read any of Roissy’s blog, and not just pop in for some ego stroking, you would know that when girls like you use the word “creepy” it is a code that means you don’t want to have sex with me.

    I couldn’t be more relieved.

    Like I’ve told you more than once:
    If you spent as much time working on your attitude, as you do your appearance…

    You wouldn’t be little girl anymore.

    You’d be a woman.

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  226. on July 31, 2009 at 9:21 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Even better.

    Kimberley Guilfoyle AND Carrie Prejean :

    10 + 10.

    Although Kimberley doesn’t look quite so good here as in the other clip.

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  227. I’m very bright (at least I tested really high when young). I’m also high-testosterone (ring fingers much longer than index fingers, competitive personality). however, I can be a bit shy and socially awkward with strangers. I work out and I’m in good shape.

    how does that sound S?

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  228. @ A.J.

    you would know that when girls like you use the word “creepy” it is a code that means you don’t want to have sex with me.

    I didn’t think I needed a code for that?

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  229. Mandy !XD-
    “It’s sort of like the fights between lurker and I. They are always devoid of reason and usually filled with idiocy, on both sides.”

    Actually Mandy, I think Lurker is trying to teach you a lesson.

    Just as I am trying to teach Little Girl.

    Sometimes we use the carrot. Sometimes the stick.

    You may not like the method, but perhaps you should, more carefully, consider the message.

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  230. Little Girl-
    “I didn’t think I needed a code for that?”

    If you’re really as smart as you claim, you shouldn’t miss the point of my comments so often.

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  231. LILGRL –

    I’ve alerted the Border Patrol to check for you at the L.A. border. If you try to come into my town, they’ll deport you.

    You have been warned.

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  232. What message could that possibly be? And how does “beg me” convey it? You don’t seem like a bad guy, but sincerely examine your motives for doing so. I don’t follow these boards closely enough to be able to absorb the back stories, but I can’t see how you are teaching anyone a lesson, I can’t figure out what lesson you might be trying to teach, and regardless of the objective I take issue with your pedagogical method.

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  233. Little girl-
    “so I’ll have to decline.”

    So your bluff…

    Called.

    Now scamper back to Frisco, silly.

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  234. AJ Travis: What’s not fitting your noble image is this. You seem to have forgotten The Ancient Code of your type.

    Leave the woman alone. Deal with her man.

    You’re only supposed to teach lessons to your own woman. That’s a man’s right. And you’re transgressing on it as surely as his right to her and sex.

    I think people understand this on a basic level from what they’ve said. She’s his to deal with. It’s been a recurring message every time it’s done, when people teasingly pair off (see PA above for an example) the men who teach lessons with the women they do it to.

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  235. Gunner-
    “I don’t follow these boards closely enough to be able to absorb the back stories,”

    Exactly.

    “but I can’t see how you are teaching anyone a lesson”

    The lesson is not for you.

    You’re not a young woman desperate for attention and affirmation.

    She thrives on social proof. I’m denying her.

    If one less stupid girl dances on a bar tonight without panties, won’t the world be just a little bit nicer?

    If one less guy listens to the bad advice that Little Girl posts here, won’t all men be better off?

    Shaming a girl like her is the only way to help her modify her behavior.

    Indifference or acceptance will only encourage her, and those like her.

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  236. on July 31, 2009 at 9:49 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian wrote :

    “Off topic, but I’m waiting on meeting up w/one of my buds at a popular nitespot, and on the widescreen tv is the FOX show about the BBW version of The Bachelor? Don’t know what the name is-wait, just remembered it, “More To Love”. ”

    I must compliment Obese-dian on how heavily immersed he is in the speciality of being a connoisseur of largest megafauna, that resemble elephants, rhinos, hippos, and cape buffalo in size, shape, color, and texture.

    He is Obese-dian and he knows exactly what he wants. He has a network of friends that inform him of such shows on TV, and he quickly organizes an outing to watch the program on a WIDE-screen TV. Emphasis on the wide, and again, compliments on how Obese-dian will spare no hassle to maximize every aspect of his viewing intake.

    I’ll give Obese-dian this, he is extremely well plugged into the world of his fetish. Most black men have this sort of fetish, but don’t know exactly how to achieve an immersive “all fatties/all the time” life like Obese-dian does. Years of preparation must have gone into this level of immaculate and fastidious specialization.

    Now if we can just get Obese-dian to spread the fat around to less driven black dudes, and recruit a suitable black woman for David Alexander out of his Big Black Book, this outcome will be achieved for DA.

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  237. on July 31, 2009 at 9:50 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian wrote :

    “Off topic, but I’m waiting on meeting up w/one of my buds at a popular nitespot, and on the widescreen tv is the FOX show about the BBW version of The Bachelor? Don’t know what the name is-wait, just remembered it, “More To Love”. ”

    I must compliment Obese-dian on how heavily immersed he is in the speciality of being a connoisseur of largest females, that resemble elephants, rhinos, hippos, and cape buffalo in size, shape, color, and texture.

    He is Obese-dian and he knows exactly what he wants. He has a network of friends that inform him of such shows on TV, and he quickly organizes an outing to watch the program on a WIDE-screen TV. Emphasis on the wide, and again, compliments on how Obese-dian will spare no hassle to maximize every aspect of his viewing intake.

    I’ll give Obese-dian this, he is extremely well plugged into the world of his fetish. Most black men have this sort of fetish, but don’t know exactly how to achieve an immersive “all fatties/all the time” life like Obese-dian does. Years of preparation must have gone into this level of immaculate and fastidious specialization.

    Now if we can just get Obese-dian to spread the fat around to less driven black dudes, and recruit a suitable black woman for David Alexander out of his Big Black Book, this outcome will be achieved for DA.

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  238. on July 31, 2009 at 9:52 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The outcome for DA being this :

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  239. I like you Bhetti, but you’re missing the point.

    If her man was strong enough to reign her in, I wouldn’t have to.

    It seems that either her pussy has clouded his judgement, or he just doesn’t care.

    Just like the girl who picks fights with guys at a bar and expects her boyfriend to protect her, she is way out of control.

    The fact that she spends her time on this blog, trying to get guys to meet up with her on her 1 night in L.A. is just another glaring sign that she does not value him very much.

    I feel sorry for the guy.

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  240. After all, Bhetti.

    Any woman with a strong enough man in her life wouldn’t be allowed to wear clothes that expose her knees.
    Or ankles.
    Or wrists.
    Or eyes. Even her eyes. Because then she could look for other guys to cheat with, or girls to dance on bars with.

    And of course the only reason she might want to put names to faces here is to fuck those people. You heard it here first.

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  241. @ whiskey

    Ah, k, fair enough — shoot me an email if anything changes. Thanks for the rec’s!

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  242. Clearly I have hit a nerve.

    I can imagine it sucks to know that your live-in girlfriend does not think that spending an evening alone with you, is not interesting enough.

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  243. Whiskey, is your coment in response to my “asshole game” recommendation earlier in this thread? (on July 31, 2009 at 6:09 pm)

    I don’t think you need to cold-approach women yet. You need to start playing little domination games with them. Not with women who seem like they are nice. Or married women, or shy ones, or modest ones.

    But with hot, ice-cold cunts. In fuck me skirts and sandals. With small tanktops and tight jeans. The kind of girls who in a nanosecond assess you as the guy they are too good for. The kind of girls who project “I do, but not with you” sluttishness.

    Neg one on an elevator and stare haughtily into her eyes until she gets shy. That kind of stuff.

    You will go through three stages: one, you’ll start discovering how easy it is do “disrespect” the kind of womanwho hs no respect for you; two, you’ll start finding this addictive; and three, you’ll stop being intimidated by attactive women.

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  244. If my prescription sounds harsh, think of it as boot camp. Or shock therapy to get you some confidence.

    If this goes well, you will start “negging” or approaching these hot girls not from a place of anger or resentment, but from a place of charm.

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  245. A.T. Jarvis, you’ve got it backwards.

    A woman with a strong enough man in her life would wish that she could cover herself completely from the eyes of other men, regardless of whether he explicitly required it or not.

    The exception though, would be in nudity friendly cultures. Where everybody is naked or nearly so, it’s not such a big deal.

    One thing to remember is that many east Asian cultures are not historically far from loincloths or sarongs that were worn just to protect whatever they were sitting on from booty juice, or to avoid sandycrack.

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  246. Ghost of Nicole

    “A.T. Jarvis” is a fake person created by Little Girl and her BF, attempting to parody me.

    Kind of flattering, really.

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  247. AJ Travis,
    I hear ya Man. There is indeed more to life than merely getting laid.

    Tru dat.

    O

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  248. @AJ Travis:

    “Actually Mandy, I think Lurker is trying to teach you a lesson.

    Just as I am trying to teach Little Girl.

    Sometimes we use the carrot. Sometimes the stick.

    You may not like the method, but perhaps you should, more carefully, consider the message.”
    You see, in lurker’s case, whatever message there is disappears into ad hominem. His only message is,”I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU CUNTRAG.”

    There is no message, only an immature boy trying to provoke someone on the internet.

    re LILGRL: I see what you are trying to do, but I’m with Bhetti on this one– if you feel that way, your actions seem to really be messing things up. Either don’t say anything at all or go about things differently.

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  249. I’d be interested in your comments on the game displayed in this video:

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  250. @Tray:

    That was awesome.

    And dang, that woman is gorgeous. Fox News always has the prettiest anchors.

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  251. ha ha ha.

    the outlandish extremism evidenced here is at the least unsustainable and at the most… perversely wack

    but your premises are legit.

    metagame –> serial killer edition

    we need more on day game.

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  252. DT, Whiskey,
    Sorry, but I aint buying the excuses about not being able to travel around; not when I can do it, and like I said, you guys have more of *errthing* than I do.

    So…

    O

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  253. on July 31, 2009 at 11:18 pm Comment_Whatever

    Bhetti demonstrates Technique:Female Immunity To Everything(Form 76)

    You’re only supposed to teach lessons to your own woman. That’s a man’s right. And you’re transgressing on it as surely as his right to her and sex.

    I think people understand this on a basic level from what they’ve said. She’s his to deal with. It’s been a recurring message every time it’s done, when people teasingly pair off (see PA above for an example) the men who teach lessons with the women they do it to.

    By limiting the set of men who can tell a woman to knock it off from several billion to one, we are almost at that goal of women being able to act without consequence from men! Truly Bhetti, is Form 76 a powerful technique!

    While I’m talking about women needing to be reigned in….

    Mandy, could you please stop responding to lurker? I have no idea what is going on between you two, but could you just stop?

    Also, lurker, in the unlikely event you can stop shouting at Mandy, could you?

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  254. on July 31, 2009 at 11:29 pm Comment_Whatever

    DT said:

    It’s not always easy to relocate to a new area. A career, especially in this economy, can block any such move. I’m self employed so you would think I could leave on a whim, but the truth is I couldn’t possibly drop my clients and start fresh right now.

    And there are more things to consider than just women. I hate California’s government and massive illegal immigration, and I agree that the dating scene here is a bitch (no pun intended). I often wonder what life would be like in another state, a state with stronger families and more quality women with LTR potential. But even if my business situation wasn’t holding me back, I would still find it hard to leave southern California’s beaches and weather. Nothing puts me in a bad mood like a brutal winter with howling winds and freezing temperatures. That describes winter for most of the country. Where I live right now December is often good for going to the beach.

    That’s right, moving state to state is hard. It is basically completely starting over.

    So if you are going to completely start over, why not completely start over?

    In another country. A non-English one.

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  255. Hedge funds are the top of the buy side heap and so do attract real IQ. Traders vary a lot on smarts; different styles; it’s basics are more of a quick reaction, street smarts, and wide networking,

    traders are commodities. seriously. traders can be substituted without any loss. having said thgat, Doug pretty much described the industry as I see it

    This is the second friday night in the internet in 2009.

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  256. Obsidian speaks about an important truth: The biggest losers in our New World Order are average women.
    There are several partners in my group who are African American women. High earning, highly credentialed professionals. Without exception, they do not even pretend to have a chance to get married. Some of them have kids (sperm doses are easy to get) but husbands? That hope died a long time ago. And every single damn one of them had grandparents who were married forever and scrimped and saved for their kids education. I dread the future…
    However, this is a great post from Roissy. Read between the lines. He is saying you can get women hot and bothered via serial-killer vibes even if you are a reasonably nice guy.
    Sexual arousable is not so distinct from simple wakefulness. Sleepy brains don”t want to fuck; wide awake brains are so much more likely to want it. So find a way to wake them up. Make noise.
    Get a green-eyed black cat. Drive a rusted out Ferrari 308 instead of a new Civic (barf on that name). Costs the same.

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  257. it ´s friday night and I have to finish a presentation for monday´s call in the morning. people want to know more about some silly numbers from a unknown country in the North, called “USA”. GDP stuff, housing, savings, all that

    I am leaving the office at around 2AM (1AM in NY). it is the second time this happens in the year

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  258. @Comment_Whatever:

    “Mandy, could you please stop responding to lurker? I have no idea what is going on between you two, but could you just stop?”

    I’m not going to anymore, I’ve already said that there isn’t any point.

    And I don’t know what’s wrong with lurker either. (or what’s wrong with me for bothering to respond to him)

    “By limiting the set of men who can tell a woman to knock it off from several billion to one, we are almost at that goal of women being able to act without consequence from men! Truly Bhetti, is Form 76 a powerful technique!”

    I think she was talking about how AJ Travis is continuously attacking LILGRL. There’s a difference between how you asked me to do something (stop replying to lurker) and how AJ Travis does things (attack LILGRL at every opportunity just because). You might not like her, but sweet Jebus, the number of blog posts and etc. he devotes to her is annoying.

    Time is better spent talking about better things. >.>’

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  259. fellas, this round of drinks on me….

    my IP address has been effectively blocked from Feministing.com

    i gave them a decent run-down of the arguments from “our” side of the feminist/cultural issue, and they weren’t havin’ it.

    oh, i also linked to one of my blog posts about feminists being either ugly or lesbian.

    anyway, i feel validated in my work.

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  260. on July 31, 2009 at 11:45 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    What was the URL at Feministing, of your argument with them?

    This will cheer you up.

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  261. hedge fund tales:

    the American economy contracted exclusively due to the decline in inventories. My bonus – and the fund´s profitability – depends on determining the future path of American inventories. SO I´ll spend a friday night researching every single warehouse in the US that has a website to get a sense of the trajectory ahead

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  262. @Rum:

    “Sexual arousable is not so distinct from simple wakefulness. Sleepy brains don”t want to fuck; wide awake brains are so much more likely to want it. So find a way to wake them up. Make noise.
    Get a green-eyed black cat. Drive a rusted out Ferrari 308 instead of a new Civic (barf on that name). Costs the same.”

    The awesome part about a cat is that if it’s unfriendly, its scratches might leave mysterious scars, and you could always have a “shady past” to go with them.

    Or you could pretend your job is a 100% top secret government job.

    Or or or you could allude to being a vigilante at night. (I had someone tell me that before, though I didn’t really believe it). If she’s really into you, though, she probably will WANT to believe it and therefore will.

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  263. PA — God I don’t know how I could do that. It seems … rude. I’ve spent so much of my life trying to be polite in person — I don’t know if I could ever pull that off. I’d feel bad for making the girl feel uncomfortable. I don’t think I’m intimidated by attractive women — god knows I’ve gone “BANZAI” enough in a cold-approach, never ever ever worked, and have regularly pulled women who were drop dead beautiful. I still have no idea how I did it, other than “charm.” I can be, in a social setting, quite charming though like I say I always need an introduction, such as we are both guests at a party. I’ve never in that situation had anxiety approach, and can open sets in that way.
    ————————-
    DT —

    You articulate better than me, my own feelings and views. As a born and bred Californian, I hate what has been done to my State, a place that used to be the exemplification of the American Dream. A place, also, that used to produce, nice, kind, generous, brave, funny, smart, and jaw droppingly beautiful women with voices and minds to die for. Which now, produces aging bimbos with no greater thought than who will win “the Bachelor.” Not even ten years ago I used to meet regularly amazing women. Now … half the time I’d rather watch College Football on ESPN.

    What annoys me most now, is all the married/engaged women I meet socially who make obvious passes. That’s one of my rules. No married women need apply. Fortunately I can utilize my greatest failing to save face — “beta game.” I purposely go into high-beta mode, ignore the obvious cues (like her putting her hand on my thigh) and talk earnestly about Linux vs. BSD and how cool BSD’s documentation really is.

    This has been a big problem for me — inappropriate women throwing themselves at me while available women are off somewhere else. When I was younger, in my early twenties, all I got was 16 year old girls making obvious passes when I was a teacher but could not pull the gals I wanted who were my age (with a few, disastrous exceptions above) to save my life. Later in my late twenties, a lot of married teachers who were co-workers. Married fellow students in my MBA program. Engaged girls who were mutual friends. WTF!

    Can someone please, PLEASE explain this. It’s annoying and frustrating.

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  264. Chuck-

    Try this:

    http://www.hidemyass.com/

    It will mask you ip address.

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  265. Whisky
    Guys notice and think obsessively about the age and marital status of their fuck-targets a lot.
    It never even occurs to women. They could care less.
    A 16 year old girl would cheerfully wrap herself around a much older guy IF her attractiveness buttons were pushed hard enough.

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  266. Whiskey,
    While its true I’m very much an outgoing guy, the point remains that you’re simply in a much better position to “do stuff” in life than I am. And, let’s not mince words-for a Man, happiness lies btw a Woman’s thighs. I’m just sayin.

    Hence the old saying, that the best cure for a breakup, Oneitis, etc, is SARGING. Every Man knows this. And its true. At least to a large extent.

    I live in what has to be THEE ROUGHEST per capita area for picking up, or heck, just meeting ladies-Philly. For whatever reason, the gals here are tough. I’ve had guys who come in from outta town, leave outta here in tears. Its that bad.

    So, what did I do? Leave Philly.

    I didn’t go far-NJ, DE, MD, that sort of thing. Never really hit up DC, but I might if things change. But so far, so good.

    Both of my ladies are only a state away, it don’t take much to visit them & vice versa. You could just as easily do the same thing: OR, WA & NV are only a hop-skip away.

    And then there’s the other parts of Cali that you ain’t really hit up yet, especially the northern part of the state.
    And, while you’re gearing up to make weekend trips, stay away from the clubs. They’re not your scene, and a big part of Game is being introspective-know where you shine. If working the more intimate social gatherings are your shot, then stick w/those. Personally, I NEVER do my thing in bars or clubs, because the kinds of Women I really want usually aren’t to be found there. I only go to such places if I’m hanging out w/my friends, w/no intentions of even looking at Women. Otherwise, I’ve learned a very long time ago that the world is full of places to meet Women, you just have to open your eyes.

    Since Brown Sugah calls me the Marathon Man, I might be able to assist on LTR Game, so to speak. Its simple, to me-stay in Seduction Mode. Wash, rinse, repeat. Keep the Wood hard & deliver it consistent. Be yourself, but ramp it up just a notch. Call her on shit, don’t ever let it slide. Don’t be afraid to lose her, fear will cripple you, trust me.

    LOL. You know, I listen to all the talk about guys being assraped and the rest of it, and while I support reforms in those areas, I’ve never had any real concern about it personally. Why? Because I make sure such things are the furthest from my Women’s minds. If anything they’ll defend me from prosecution-thats when you know you’re on your A-Game.

    Speaking of which, I don’t advocate doing anything that is too far of your normal range to accomplish. Why? Because if it looks like you’re fakin’ the funk, a Woman will pickup on that and you’ll lose. Asshole Game works for guys who have a bit of actual asshole in them. If you’re generally anice guy like you and me, you really don’t want to go there, nor do you want to be bothered w/Women who look like they might get turned on by such things. Instead cultivate other areas of Game, and go into other venues where other kinds of Women will be present.

    As I said earlier, I make it a personal point to NEVER mess w/any co-workers, clients, etc. Serious no-no. And I’ve been hit on by both. Its just not done in my world-business is business, and Women both inside and out will have a lot more respect for you if you do this, because it shows that you’re a Man w/Dick Control, a rare breed, let me tell you, and Women know it. Only the worst kinds of Women won’t mind a dog for real. Aim high, respect yourself, and do the damned thing.

    It just seems to me that you gotta change up a few things, nothing drastic, Man. Just tweak shit a bit. A change of scenery, venue, types of Women, some internal adjustments, etc, and things should go well for you.

    You’re not a bad guy, Whiskey, but you gotta make some changes for yourself if you want things to change. Anybody can talk about the plight of postmodern America, but at the end of the day that aint got a darned thing to do w/getting your dick wet and spending quiet time w/a Woman worthy of what you have to offer. A Good Man is hard to find, and if anyone knows this, its Women.

    Respect yourself. Stand tall.

    And do the damned thing.

    This message will self-destruct in ten seconds…

    The Obsidian

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  267. on August 1, 2009 at 12:56 am Cannon's Canon

    “the American economy contracted exclusively due to the decline in inventories.”

    gig: i realize that you’re not giving full context, but isn’t this a credit-driven recession rather than an inventory cycle? if consumers haven’t de-leveraged their unsustainable debts, inventories won’t move, full or empty.

    i have been reading my denninger like a good boy.

    for your presentation, i suggest a graphic of the hope and change “O” with a loud farting noise. possibly several minutes of this, then open the call to questions.

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  268. AJ Travis

    If one less stupid girl dances on a bar tonight without panties, won’t the world be just a little bit nicer?

    Huh?

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  269. Rum said:

    “Guys notice and think obsessively about the age and marital status of their fuck-targets a lot.
    It never even occurs to women. They could care less.
    A 16 year old girl would cheerfully wrap herself around a much older guy IF her attractiveness buttons were pushed hard enough.”

    This. While most girls my age do have a sort of age limit, all prefer older guys. The ones who date younger ones (even if it’s by a year) get ridiculed. To some extent, dating a much, much older man is taboo. A 16 year old dating a man in his thirties or late twenties is a bit awkward, although it doesn’t mean that she will be against it. And it doesn’t matter what “others” think anyway because a relationship with a minor would have to be kept secret anyway, so “others” wouldn’t know.

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  270. I have to laugh at some of this but I’ve done cheesey crap like this too. I like to occaisionally expose (liberal) women to pictures of me:
    1. on top of off high structures in Ghawar with heavily armed arab bodyguards waiting around in a Suburban with tinted windows below. Gas flares dot the background….
    2. at westpoint with me in tweed… unshaven …sunglass atop my head… giving a chalk talk in front of several uniformed professors
    3. dancing in foreign nightclubs with multiple short women at the same time (they make me look tall)

    I keep my briefcase is littered with huge amounts of official documents from foreign countries and I have a string of Nevada series LLCs (looks like a tax haven) with macho-sounding names that do business with foreign entities (the reality is that these are just a string of half-assed failed business ideas that never got off the ground).

    All of these pictures have a real story behind them that is 100% mundane, nerdy, and wussy…. I just was there to find out why some equipment I made wasn’t working well and basically kissed butts like a beta dog…but the image they paint in the mind of a granola girl is both high-status and bad ass at the same time. It looks like I’m running a mini-enron or something sinister that Mother Jones wouldn’t approve of….The reality is that I’m a wussy who is afraid of bees, can’t drive a stick, and would prefer to never travel anywhere. So I have to counter that image.

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  271. Whiskey

    I usually rely on social proof / introductions for the kind of girl I seem to work with: arty, intelligent, likes movies, literature, art, music, etc. and light bantering conversation about same.

    Boy, do I ever hear you, Whiskey.

    It took me years to give up and start loving the bomb. And I still harbor hopes of meeting and have strong lasting sex vibes with the kind of woman you describe.

    But I did give up and I do now love the bomb. And I’m happier for it.

    I no longer look to women for what you describe – funny witty intelligent meaningful conversation. I try to get that kind of thing where I can, and what I can only get from women, from women.

    Women can be so much fun – but you are right, that they aint all that. Or if they are, they are nearly impossible to find and attract.

    In that sense, I’m similar to DA. Better to give up and move on and do what you can do.

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  272. Jerrdog

    The reality is that I’m a wussy who is afraid of bees, can’t drive a stick, and would prefer to never travel anywhere. So I have to counter that image.

    Jerrdog, you’re funny. I bet you come across as quite the charmer.

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  273. AJ, your comments towards Lilgirl are truly creepy. Like, borderline personality disorder creepy.

    Man, you strike me as the kind of guy to stay away from.

    I would NOT want a guy like you as my friend. Too nosy and self righteous, like some freaky muslim police gangster, enforcing morality for the good of the people.

    Your kind makes me sick.

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  274. And by the way, there are gangs of muslim police gangsters here in Indonesia. They walk around with sticks, make gang raids on nightclubs and break everything, try to shame girls into dressing more modestly, etc. They are reviled as punks. Punksters. Punksters who aint getting enough, and are way to upset about vaginas.

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  275. @Jack:

    That actually sounds perfect, but you’re going to have to split my heart with A.J. Travis.

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  276. CC:

    “for your presentation, i suggest a graphic of the hope and change “O” with a loud farting noise. possibly several minutes of this, then open the call to questions.”

    i recall discovering roissy’s blog during a conference call when i had my big boy job. what a bittersweet day. if the VP of whateverthefuck of my company had followed your model i might not have been lulled into boredom thus exposing me to this thing called the blogosphere.

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  277. Penu

    Naive men who have been taught that women like nice guys invariably end up as bitter woman-haters because of this.

    Ya, the stage after disillusionment can be anger. But eventually comes acceptance.

    Nothing wrong with a good devilish whore. I love mine.

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  278. And then there’s the other parts of Cali that you ain’t really hit up yet, especially the northern part of the state.

    Obsidian hight have a good point here Whiskey. I’ve spent a few days in norhern California and found that it’s got tons of cure artsy girls… and cute artsy boys. Little competition from locals (unless the guys are in the lumber industry, in which case they’re no hippies).

    The guys are very nice and pleasant there, I must give them that. Years of pot smoking mellow out the personality. But if you go in there with decent SoCal-hardened Game, you might do well. Swooping paradise.

    I swooped a cute little Eureka College girl there. Mind you, my observations are from having been there in the late 90s. Things may have changed.

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  279. Most women don’t want to get married. They want kids and hot sex with dominant, Alpha men and that’s just what they get. It’s a win for them.

    Things fins ways of self-correctng. If in fact US society drifts toward the Whiskey scenario, a counter-movement will arise.

    Some people will beginn forming their own communities. Like the Orthodox Jews, Amish or the FLDS. Order always finds ways of reasserting itself.

    The key is for the Regime to not go after those. Busting up religious compounds, building frat houses and Section 8s in Amish country.

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  280. AJ Travis=Rorschach from the Watchmen

    *shudders*

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  281. @ cannon

    Denninger is too radical. he HATES HATES HATES

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  282. the financial crowd and his main argument, that the Americn economy is over-indebted, is wrong since interest rates on that massive debt are close to zero

    I can imagine an Argentine/California fiscal/monetary collapse of the US 10 eyars from now, but is is still quite unlikely to happen

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  283. An introvert, Pupu wonders whether an off-line gathering of nice online friends may bring too much mass to the wave functions, adding constraints to the free online wave exchange.

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  284. @dana:

    “AJ Travis=Rorschach from the Watchmen

    *shudders*”

    Rorschach was the best Watchmen character ever. Don’t hate.

    @Pupu:

    I think almost everyone here is an introvert. The result of an off-line gathering of online introvert personalities would be awkward silence occassionally interupted by the clearing of throats or other such noises until someone )(*cough* Obsidian) brings up an argument about Black people and they fight to the death.

    True story.

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  285. yeh mandy, but do you want to fuck him or the Comedian?

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  286. I think almost everyone here is an introvert.

    On my MB test in college I scored exactly halfway on the Intro-Extravert scale.

    Even for extroverts the commenting threads here are very addictive.

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  287. intro/extro doesn’t mean the same thing on MB as it does in common parlance. it refers to whether you get your self image/positive feedback/philosophy from within yourself irrespective of what others think or reflect it from others. extroverts on MB are what ayn rand called “social metaphysicians” for the most part.

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  288. In common parlance I’m still “halfway.” I like alone-time, but too much of that makes me restless. In group situations, I tend to circulate and talk with people and when, say, on an airplane, I tend to strike up conversations with people next to me unless they look like they wanna be left alone.

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  289. @dana:

    No, I don’t. I’m quite honest here. The Comedian was among my least favorite characters; Rorschach was my favorite. Proof of Shady Character game, he was BA.

    I still prefered Ozymandias to the Comedian. And Ozymandias was GAY.

    I know about the Myers Briggs results, I was trying to make a joke about how potentially awkward it would be. I’m an introverted intuitive.

    @PA:

    Yeah, I’ve taken the test a few times and I’m usually split on Judging and Perceiving, which is strange. I guess there are some people who can be one or the other depending on the situation.

    Then again, there is some bias that results from taking a test to find out about your own personality.

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  290. there is some bias that results from taking a test to find out about your own personality.

    Very true. The test taker wants his answers to conform to his self-image. I was aware of that and when taking the test, made it a firm point to respond to EVERY question with my immediate gut choice, not after thinking about it for a sec.

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  291. See the photo of Obama, Crowley and Gates stepping down some stairs.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/obamas_revealing_body_language.html (h/t Auster)

    Analysis of body language: Obama strides ahead, while Crowley, the only stand-up man in the bunch, helps Obama’s handicapped friend down the steps.

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  292. bah.

    according to Democrat Party bylaws, Obama is required to have 20.6% differently enabled friends.

    and 74% whites to carry
    his water

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  293. Xsplat-
    “AJ, your comments towards Lilgirl are truly creepy. Like, borderline personality disorder creepy.”

    Creepy. Really?

    What are you a little girl?

    Thanks for showing me your true colors, now I can scroll past your comments without any concern that I might miss something important.

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  294. OK, from yesterday:

    @mandy, LILGRL- OK, i can see that “wild boar” is not necessarily associated with sexytime. thinking about it now, i’m not sure why i chose that phrase – in my mind, it seems to be a set catchphrase for rough, good sex – the best i can come up with is it’s something somebody i used to hang around with used to say, as a short-hand for rough sex.

    in any case, mandy dear, if you’re *lucky* that will be in your future – rough sex with a man you like, love and trust. but if the wild boar image doesn’t work (john locke, call your office) then by all means susbstitute your own.

    @bhetti, doug – OK, noted. thanks for the kind words. bhetti, your question is interesting – *do* i have an “aversion” to the word, or concept, of aggression? i think it depends on context. in a board like this, i come to enjoy the diverse points of view and discussions around the central themes of the blog. pointless insulting, flaming, baiting drives me crazy because it detracts from why i show up here. but evidently (lurker, AJ) flaming and verbally abusing certain females seems to be, in part, why *they’re* here. that pisses me off, but i recognize that my views aren’t really any more valid than anyone else’s – at least on a blog that’s not mine. i do, from time to time, make comments suggesting that lurker knock off his abuse of mandy, or that people not race-bait obs so much, or that he ignore said bait (something, by the way, which seems to have happened). and i do nicely encourage female commenters, because their comments, generally, make the board a more interested place.

    does all this amount to white-knighting, or beta wussbaggery? i don’t think so – it’s more like common courtesy. basic respect for other people. so i guess i view this little blogosphere community as one in which rules of common courtesy should apply. showing my age, i guess, in an era when on the Internet, no one knows you’re a dog and you can engage in the most horrid kinds of behavior with impunity. not my style …

    … which brings me to FemX. you don’t have to be good at reading between the lines to see that she comes here not to be part of the tribe, but to stir it up – inject vitriol, blow smoke, attack the precepts of the community, etc. in SUBSTANCE, not style, which to me is way worse. So i kind of lost my compusure, as chic aptly said. i felt bad about it later, because she’s human too (allegedly).

    off the board in RL, i’m equally polite and courteous most of the time. aggression only makes sense when it’s justified – in defense of family/people, important principles, or in pursuit of worthy goals. too *little* aggression in those areas is beta wussbaggery. too *much* aggression in *other* areas is a kind of high T imbalance, a needless meanness or picking of fights which is generally unappealing. i try to find the balance – i think i succeed, but who knows.

    that explains why i feel bad about attacking FemX, because in the large scheme of life it matters not at all. even if she deserved it. it’s misplaced aggression.

    … and yet you say it’s hot that i did so? hmmm… maybe i need to get in touch with my inner asshole more often. if my goal were impressing random intelligent females on the internet, that is …

    … on the other hand, at least for now, i kinda have assigned myself the role of keeper of the temple here, like a wikipedia gardener or something. trying to gently guide the comments and conversation, calling BS on people, etc. trying to maintain the quality of the board. doug, you also play that role quite often. if so, a guardian who cannot guard is worthless. so if i’m never willing to be aggressive, i’ll never drive the moneychangers (feminists) from the temple, now will I? calling people on BS in a polite way doesn’t always work.

    geez, what a long comment on an unimportant topic. enjoying my lazy saturday AM coffee, i guess.

    happy weekend, everyone.

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  295. PA,
    Thanks for the cosigning of my point to Whiskey. Simply put, if you ain’t gettin’ no action where you are, you gotta change it up somehow. You don’t have to pull up stakes, just go to different towns in your state, or a neighboring state…something. I just refuse to believe that Whiskey can’t change his circumstances. His only limitation is his own will to do so.

    As for the whole Myers-Briggs thing, I’ve heard of it but never took it. I have no idea at all how I would rank on it or whatever. What I do know is that I’ve always been an outgoing person.

    O

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  296. @maurice:

    (re above post)

    Thank you for being so curteous. I appreciate what you and Doug do. Although, regarding the whole thing with lurker, a lot of that was my fault (for taking the bait). Commenter K made me open up my eyes so I’m cutting back on postings. (is it wrong that what he said made me cry?)

    If I really do come off as a Castro lover, then I’d rather not post at all.

    “in defense of family/people, important principles, or in pursuit of worthy goals. too *little* aggression in those areas is beta wussbaggery. too *much* aggression in *other* areas is a kind of high T imbalance, a needless meanness or picking of fights which is generally unappealing. i try to find the balance – i think i succeed, but who knows.”

    Though I can’t speak for your personal life, you have found the balance. Because your personality is not inflammatory, your opinions will be taken much more seriously, because when you say something, you mean it.

    I have great respect for you. (along with Doug, but this post was about you so…)

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  297. Obsidian – on MB you’d probably come out:

    Extrovert
    Intuitive
    Thinking-Feeling borderline
    Judging

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  298. Maurice,
    I don’t think your comments were empty in the least. In fact, I think they stand as a compelling counter to the premise of this thread.

    Thank you-especially for accounting for your behavior towards FeministX. Only a Real Man can do that.

    The Obsidian

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  299. Panu, I think maybe women just don’t know how to articulate what they want.

    I’m about to get very honest, but somewhat vague now. I’m into some things myself. I had a kind of a quiet epiphany that coincided with my dietary changes, and returned to my original self in many, many ways.

    I realized that my choices of “nice” (read establishment) guys was because I was running from something in myself. It took getting failed a few times to realize that I was not cut out for that. I wouldn’t know how to choose a totally non criminal man for myself because so much of my personal code of honor requires that someone be able to do technically illegal things to provide for and protect their family and real friends.

    If a man isn’t more man than me in that way, I have trouble relating to him, and will scare him at some point because of my own willingness to do what needs to be done rather than waiting for Uncle Sam or whatever Virtue Fairy to bless me for being a good little sheep. After the third breakup via Windows Messenger, I’d had enough.

    After swearing off men, and dedicating my life to the care of my daughter and pursuit of cash, I met my current boyfriend at a kind of dark nexus, and well, like goes to like.

    Because of how he is, he attracts all manner of hoes and girls who are “inexplicably” drawn to him by “something they can’t explain”. I know what it is, but most of them either don’t or don’t want to admit to themselves what it is.

    What keeps them from admitting it to themselves is the same thing that prevents most so-called nice guys from facing their failure as men, which is the reason for their failure with women.

    Nobody respects a pussy.

    Pussies don’t even respect themselves.

    The seemingly small ways that I compromised my health and happiness by being too much of a follower for my own good, nearly wrecked my life, and I’m a girl. It has got to be ten times worse to be a man and doing that.

    I can respect a guy in an Art of War kind of way for picking his battles, and *choosing* on purpose to go with the flow to some degree, to get what he wants. Even a demon must be charming to convince someone to sin a little. What is unmanly is being a tool and expecting to get the benefits of a master. It does not happen.

    In the past, even legally, men had more room to be men this way. They weren’t going to get arrested for making a little on the side fixing stuff in their garage. No cops would be dragging their wives to jail for doing a neighbor’s jheri curl in her kitchen. Now things are very very different.

    So if you want to preserve your manhood these days, you have to be willing to be at least a little shady. No need to play at it. Just be a man. Be the man who has an actual limit on how much you will allow the government and police to shackle your hands and keep you from doing what you need to do for you and yours.

    Being a criminal isn’t actually that hard. If you’re a computer expert, next time you get an offer to assemble someone’s computer, take the money and don’t report it. Then do it again. Do it again and again until you’ve made so much at it that you wonder if you should put the money in your mom’s account instead of your own.

    Then do that, and keep doing it until you’ve built up enough capital to make it a stable, legal business. Then keep doing stuff on the side for kicks. Put some slot machines in one of the back rooms or something…something. Just don’t be the type of guy who takes it up the ass.

    Then apply the same to meeting women. Most women are not as dark side as me, but they appreciate a man who is a man because it’s a whole lot more emotionally safe than being with a male who’s a wuss. Men do what’s right for them and right by their woman. Pussies go whichever way the social and legal winds blow. That’s not stability.

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  300. @mandy, obs – thanks.

    @mandy- i can see how it was OK, and maybe kinda fun, to take the bait in the beginning. you were showing that you have chops too, and are a worthy adversary. which you are. but he has become so unhinged about it that it’s probably best just to ignore any and all attacks. everyone sees what is going on by now, and we’ll understand.

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  301. I’d like to add that I firmly believe that the issues we’re having with the U.S. economy now are the direct result of too much shady at the top, and not enough shady at the bottom. The black economy is an important part of any economy. It is the failsafe against collapse.

    …and though it does need some regulation, it shouldn’t have as much as it does now. Arresting women for braiding hair was the writing on the wall for me. It got me looking back at things like prohibition and the like. Once they figured out they’d never get control of alcohol, it’s like there was a slow takeover of niches until people had to register a business and get licensed for things they don’t even have or sometimes even need schools for.

    In this kind of legal climate, it’s harder not to be technically a criminal than to be one.

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  302. Ghost of Nicole hyped:

    The black economy is an important part of any economy. It is the failsafe against collapse.

    kwl – so america
    can be saved
    by buying Cheetos
    Twinkies
    and twankys

    peace out aiight

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  303. on August 1, 2009 at 12:40 pm Cannon's Canon

    gig: “the financial crowd and his main argument, that the Americn economy is over-indebted, is wrong since interest rates on that massive debt are close to zero”

    i am going to respectfully disagree and will advise gunslingergregi to invest his billion dollar nest egg in a different fund.

    chuck: “if the VP of whateverthefuck of my company had followed your model i might not have been lulled into boredom thus exposing me to this thing called the blogosphere.”

    we’d all get here one way or another.

    once upon a time, a feminist law student sent me the link to roissy with the note “i think you’d like this.” (she and i are currently not on speaking terms)

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  304. Firepower, please tell me you’re joking. I have to ask because some Americans really don’t know what a black economy is.

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  305. Nicole,
    Its good to see you back. I trust all is w/you and yours?

    Your comments are, as usual, thought provoking. And brins to mind something known in the hood as a Man’s “side hustle”-an supplemental source of income that could be either explicitly illegal or along the lines of the things you mentioned.

    Too much regulation on the lower end of the economic scale, and not enough at the top is clearly something I see in vivid fashion, and you make an excellent point. There should be some lessening in one case, and a tightening of the belt in the other, I agree.

    Oh, and you might be interested to know, that I’ve been quite successful in taking Brown Sugah places where no Man has taken her before. Thanks.

    O

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  306. Ghost of Nicole

    Firepower, please tell me you’re joking. I have to ask because some Americans really don’t know what a black economy is.

    i aint ignant know what im sayin?

    i heard of the black market

    and whatnot

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  307. This is too damn funny.

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  308. maurice: Well, I found it important because what she said got to me. A lot of people work out their personal issues with Doug through attacking his interaction with me. So you “losing it” made me feel better, happier and cared for. [feel bad about that, maurice, do! well, maybe, I should feel bad about feeling that way considering ‘girl-behind-screen’ femx one must empathise with despite her deliberate provocation] And, yes, therefore finding it completely fine that it was hot with that side of you.

    It’s a bit egotistical since your motivations were complex but there you go. It’s really not a bad thing to care enough about something to lose it, under the condition that you’re controlled. Which you definitely 100% are.

    A theory about things like depression — where you stop caring about anything — is that its anger that is unexpressed so it becomes inwardly directed.

    When someone stops being courteous, it may not be the moral high ground ideal to return the favour but it’s very healthy. This seems to apply especially for a male.

    Your standards do remain yours, not what impresses people.

    C_W: I love your prophecies of doom. I see what you’re trying to illustrate but that doesn’t apply in this case. I’m not absolving women of responsibility and there’s no choice with ones who don’t have men in their lives. I’m saying that under The Old Values and Relationship Dynamics, the billion men should primarily go after her man and work in synchrony with him or work out their issues with his attitudes and ideas otherwise. This especially applies in this case, where he clearly has authority over her. It is up to him, definitely in LILGRL’s relationship. This kind of thinking is in like with old-fashioned shaming and the values it espouses. As well as this, she does seem to be the wrong target:

    AJ Travis: — Overeducated: I’m not sure what that has to do with anything but the biggest UK sluts have dropped out of school well and early. Another Arab example who dropped out of school and some suspect of illiteracy is also life-ruining crazy in her own way. Often those who drop out of school are gold-diggers in one way or another.
    — Overexposed: Not sure how you can avoid this in your sex-obsessed Western culture. You can’t quite even in an Arab culture, where there’re five million horror stories about how Sex is Bad. Both exposures miss the best model for women: a loving, passionate act with someone you trust and are committed to.
    — Attention whore: Now, there’s the rub. Her fiance clearly has played a major role in this. Address it to him. Where’s the problem as long as she’s loyal to him and doing what he likes? I’m thinking there’re clearer targets who have already proven they’ve committed A Crime as gunslinger* has pointed out, like Errant Wife.

    *where’re his posts btw?

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  309. I have been heloed in to actually work myself to the bone and save the day lol
    Work sucks. he he he
    Challenge good though.

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  310. @nicole – he’s joking. good post too.

    @dana re MB – i thought MB extraverts got energy and mental renewal from being in groups – not their basic self-image. intraverts opposite – use up metal energy just to be around other people, recharge and recenter by themselves.

    when i took this years ago, i was an ENTP – extreme indicators on all 4 variables. but i think, as noted earlier, that basic persionality traits can gradually change, like continental drift, over the course of someone’s lifetime. which is different than compensating for them.

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  311. @bhetti- i hadn’t thought about it quite that way, but when she attacked doug about his interactions with females on the board (most prominently yourself) it *was* one of the things that really pissed me off. like it’s any of her business. and thanks for the kind words.

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  312. Obsidian

    Nicole, you might be interested to know, that I’ve been quite successful in taking Brown Sugah places where no Man has taken her before.

    what you be doin takin shawty to a job interview my nigga?

    she be 19 and got 31 more years of WIC edgibility even wit them 6 baby daddy she got already

    dayumm

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  313. FP: Out of line. Could’ve been redeemed by being funny.

    maurice:
    may thy garden grow ever greener,
    comment guardian.

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  314. on August 1, 2009 at 2:23 pm D. Ray Morton

    @ PA “http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/07/obamas_revealing_body_language.html (h/t Auster)”

    Speaks volumes…

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  315. Bhetti sniffed:

    FP: Out of line. Could’ve been redeemed by being funny

    psh. like i care what a second-world Britty prig thinks of my humor.

    you guys aint been funny since monty python.

    go watch Little Britain for the 5th time and remove the stick from your tight arse

    cunt

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  316. you guys aint been funny since monty python.

    face it dude, you’re not funny. your jokes hit like once every 150, pure numbers game. no need to get pissy about it.

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  317. hey joe, guess Now’s your big chance to wow is with your weird loner vibe.

    think of it as Norman Bates open mic day

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  318. I just wanted to refute my brother Whiskey wrt the New Grrl Order. I’m stepping in the name of love, here.

    We both have agreed, that Black America is the canary in the American coalmine. If there was ever a case to be made for Sociology-and ironically enough, America’s first true sociologist just happened to be a Black Man (WEB duBois)-African Americans are it.

    So, surely he will agree that Black Women, in the main, can shed much light on this issue here.

    In comparison to White, Hispanic, and Asian Women, Black Women tend to be higher educated and/or more experienced in their jobs, in proportionate terms. The reasons for this are hardly surprising: racism and discrimination hits Black Men harder than do Black Women, especially when one adds economic factors to the mix, like the death of Blue Collar Labor over the past few decades. Simply put, if you’re a Black Male, your chances of finding career and educational success are tougher than if you’re a Black Female, no matter what the cause or reason. This too should come as no big surprise, as even Roissy has noted above, the life of Human Males is inherently more precarious, from birth, than Human Females. Especially in a day and time when dying from childbirth, being brutally raped with impunity, or being left abandoned after one hits menopause are all but a historical footnote.

    However, what Whiskey doesn’t have are my direct conversations w/many of the same Black Women Rum mentioned above, and I’m pretty sure Maurice may be able to speak to this as well; Women who earn well, are well heeled by virtue of their education, and yet, are utterly miserable. And while some are because they simply cannot find a Black Man who matches or exceeds their accomplishments, others cannot even find a warm body in the for of a Black Man-this gos back to what Roissy said about Men having some degree of choice in the mating market, and the dirty little secret is, the uglier and/or older you are as a Woman, the more choice a Man has in whether he wants to bed you or not. Cruel I know, but true nonetheless.

    And the simple truth is, that there simply aren’t enough supa fine Black Women who can command the kinds of attention she wants from the kinds of Black Men she wants, for simple economic market-force based reasons. In fact, I’ve often wondered why so many purportedly smart people, haven’t figured this out by now. Then again, few of these ladies are economists.

    Simply put, a successful Black Man-which can come in many forms, mind you-can literally write his own ticket to Poon-and while I know this may not sit well w/my White brothers inthe forum, the truth of the matter is, that said Black Man also has access to the kinds of White, Hispanic and yes, even Asian Women that White Men would want if THEY could get them. Given that these Women have more social cache’ in American life than do Black Women, right or wrong, it is completely understandable why such Black Men, whether they be Tiger Woods, or Barack Obama, or the fictional Stringer Bell, would want to keep their options open for as long as possible-which will most assuredly be longer than even the finest Black Woman-and when they finally do pull the trigger, they’re likely to do so w/Women who can be a direct benefit to him socially, as is so often the case w/any successful Man.

    This, along with other things mentioned above, explains why there are so many Black Women around today, who are alone-and make no mistake my brothers (and even sisters reading along), while they might talk a mean “Independent Woman” game, the truth, the bitter, salty-teared truth, is that they loathe living large chunks of their existence alone. By that I mean, without a Man.

    In Black America right now-and the first “Black in America” CNN special covered this-there is real debate taking place among the Sistahood as how best to address this problem.

    Some suggest doing what is the standard operating procedure whenever “Black (Male) problems) are addressed-“tough(?) love”, hence all the “Man Up!” talk, which to me, is always interesting and odd to hear coming from human beings who simply cannot fathom what its like to actually live as a Black Man, or any Man at all for that matter (I’ve always noticed how so many Women, Black and White, recoil at my mention that they should read Norah Vincent’s Self Made Man-I suppose the truth really does hurt). Of course, its only now starting to sink in that mere browbeating guys doesn’t work-Men will simply leave-and said Black Women find themselves alone.

    Again.

    Others, seem to have taken a “Something New” approach-meaning, dating and/or marrying Men from other races, notably White. And while I have no problem at all w/these Women’s choices in this regard, White Men as a group beg to differ-current Black Woman/White Man pairings are very small, compared to pairings when the genders/races are the other way around-and this has been the case since Loving.

    I also note w/some interest, that the ‘Something New” writer, a highly successful Black screenwriter, and who was profiled on said CNN special, STILL couldn’t find a suitable White mate.

    Which leads us to yet another very interesting point…

    The old saying is oh so true: no matter where you go, there you are. If you’re like said Black Woman above, and you cannot find a “suitable” mate no matter where you look, maybe the problem ain’t the Menz, but yourself. Afterall, being so highly educated and all, you’re the X-factor-the only constant at the eye of the storm. And like the fictional detective says, once you’ve eliminated the probable, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    But as we all know, truth is a MFer, and most folk simply ain’t built like that to deal. Least of all, Women.

    I’ve said it before, but I’m gonna say it One Mo Gin:

    Obsidian Axion #5:

    In The New Grrl Order, the net losers will not be Men, they will be Women.

    Why do I say that? Well, quite a few, but we can boil it down to a very simple one: because Women, enmasse now, have been sold a bill of goods that the vast majority will NEVER make manifest in their lives.

    It’s really as simple as that.

    And Black Women, the Cannon Fodder of Feminism, stands as your proof.

    The only recourse for Black Women enmasse, is to *settle*. And do it quick, while they still can make it happen.

    Questions?

    The Obsidian

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  319. a very important, on-topic point that needed to be addressed again

    concise, too

    peace we out

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  320. Obsidian – on MB you’d probably come out:

    Since I’ve never had the opportunity to take a MB test, I’d wonder about my results as well.

    I’ve spent a few days in norhern California and found that it’s got tons of cure artsy girls

    I spent five days last year in the Bay Area and I’m still waiting to see this so-called “cute artsy” girl that you’re talking about. As with all things, since I think cute girls are “hug” material, my reports should be questioned.

    While most girls my age do have a sort of age limit, all prefer older guys.

    As I’ve noted, that’s been true with a sizable number of my female friends, but it always drove me crazy to see them dating these older guys. It always induced that brake penalty alert in me, especially when they’d suggest that I should date younger women.

    Not even ten years ago I used to meet regularly amazing women.

    Does Whiskey seek his Wellesley Queen?

    My opinions are those of an imbecile, but the reference to “ten years” implies to a certain extent that you’re a bit older, possibly in your late twenties, if not thirties, and one could conclude that your problems may have to do with the fact that the women that you’d like in your age cohort are off the market, thus leaving the excess women that you’re not fond of dealing with? Of course, one could wade into alien space bat territory and claim that the smart women left Southern California, and they’re being replaced by the pretty, yet vapid from other regions of the country.

    the smarter ones know well the trade-offs they’ve made

    To a certain extent, it’s a rational decision on their part. I suspect that in my cousin’s case, after seeing her parents argue for years, but stick together in a half-assed marriage, she decided that staying with her husband and perpetually arguing with him was a waste of time, and that she’d be much better off living on her own with her daughter.

    Hell, I suspect that for most women, the child basically serves as a love machine that ensures a steady supply of hugs and emotional support and the alphas that come along make the ride even better with random sprinkles of top quality orgasms. In contrast, a beta male husband is basically a nuisance that doesn’t offer unconditional love on-tap for extended period of time, sucks at the orgasm part, and even though it brings in money, you still have to cook and clean for him.

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  321. Of course what Dave Alex leaves out, is that such “sources of love and hugs” are inherently dysfunctional, especially in the case of boys and even moreso in the case of African American Women and their sons. This too has been written about to some extent and is the subject of debate forums and radio shows accross the country.

    Simply put, and much to the chagrin of my brother Dave Alex, human beings NEED the kind of interaction that can only be found in a relationship between a Man and a Woman. And no matter how much we may try to deny this, this fundamental truth comes roaring back at us in myriad of ways.

    And by all accounts, Dave Alex, there doesn’t seem to be any mass exodus to your position anytime soon.

    But I’ll grant that you’re a tenacious lil cuss.

    O

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  322. ”””””””””””’on July 31, 2009 at 4:47 pm maurice
    @whiskey – i hear you, but again that bifurcated strategy is something that operates at a deep limbic subconcious level – the drivers of sexual attraction and beahvior that we’re barely aware of. so came up with us through the evolutionary process. all the other stuff – male infighting, child regicide, etc. – is higher-brain stuff layered on top of that to deal with it or control it.

    good post re the violent bad boys, btw – well said. it’s a shame nothing can be done about it. women go for aggression, risk-seeking and whiffs of danger the way we go for T&A, youth and femininity. i think the only countervailing strategy for inherently non-bad-boy types like us is just to be insanely rich or successful… dominant in other ways. *be* at the top, not just show that you have the primal aggression to take you there.
    ”””””””””””””””””

    Well when I was in my actual pysychopathic killer phase. I didn’t get any woman. When I actually did not give a fuck whether I lived or died. Shooting people for no reason. So yea prob do need to have some other things going on he he he

    Or at least in a dream I had.

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  323. FP: Indeed, how dare you offend my delicate, humourless British sensibilities! *sniff* I tilt my powdered nose up at you. I wave my parasol at you.

    Of course it is my aversion to its subject that renders this humour undigestable to my palate. One can find Brass Eye funny, but not this! What other explanation can there be? Behold: The execution is flawless!

    Butler, fetch me some tea or perhaps a spot of tonic, because this Firepower, this man. How can we call him a gentleman when indeed the man must be gentle for if he has none of gentleness in him, he cannot be a gentle man so therefore, he must be a man, merely. This man, then, has offended me deeply. How dare he, I say. With his indelicate references to the anatomy of my person!

    I believe I shall faint!

    What’s this, Butler, Organic green tea with jasmine and ginger? I am filled with such disgust, I consider spilling it upon the Aubusson rug. Earl grey, if you please, at once!

    I believe I have the headache!

    Lady Fluffles, you alone are fit company for a thoroughbred British lady such as I.

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  324. on August 1, 2009 at 3:36 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    I just wanted to refute my brother Whiskey wrt the New Grrl Order. I’m stepping in the name of love, here.

    We both have agreed, that Black America is the canary in the American coalmine.

    White Americans, especially poorer ones, have always been the canary in the American coalmine. They were America’s first slaves, first people lynched, persecuted, exploited, first guinea pigs of government experiments, first frontline soldiers, coal miners, factory workers, etc.

    What happened to them first happened to blacks second. A lot like the Irish in relation to British power.

    If there was ever a case to be made for Sociology-and ironically enough, America’s first true sociologist just happened to be a Black Man (WEB duBois)-African Americans are it.

    DuBois was schooled by his White cultural masters in sociology. He might have been the first black one, debatable, but plenty of White men preceded him.

    In comparison to White, Hispanic, and Asian Women, Black Women tend to be higher educated and/or more experienced in their jobs, in proportionate terms.

    Not in relation to White or Asian Women. And I don’t think it was true in relation to black males until recently.

    The reasons for this are hardly surprising: racism and discrimination hits Black Men harder than do Black Women,

    Black males are less hard working, more abusive, arrogant and generally less civilized than black females.

    Add in the African contextual history of greater black female effort in African agriculture and the roll of polygamy and you have a very old, pre- American slave history of relative black male uselessness.

    And while some are because they simply cannot find a Black Man who matches or exceeds their accomplishments,

    This has a lot to do with the endless black male obsession with WHITE women. Black males view White women as a prize, as a superior possession. Whether they want to admit this or not. Add in now the increasing black male interest in Asian, East Indian and Latino women and that simply makes it more difficult for the black female to compete. Plus plenty of urban “brothers” are on the down low.

    Simply put, a successful Black Man-which can come in many forms, mind you-can literally write his own ticket to Poon-and while I know this may not sit well w/my White brothers inthe forum, the truth of the matter is, that said Black Man also has access to the kinds of White, Hispanic and yes, even Asian Women that White Men would want if THEY could get them.

    We all know about the black male obsession with ANY women who aren’t black and we all know the African Ape roots of this desire, no mystery to that evolutionary desire.

    The problem for black women, and this makes them unique, is that the men of these other races overwhelmingly DON’T WANT THEM.

    Few White men, Asian, East Indian or non-Puerto Rican/Dominican men have any interest in black women.

    For them black women are viewed as of low social/genetic status at best and as ugly, ape-like beings at worst.

    Black women simply have less dating/mating options than any other women on average.

    Given that these Women have more social cache’ in American life than do Black Women, right or wrong, it is completely understandable why such Black Men, whether they be Tiger Woods, or Barack Obama,

    Notice that Woods and Obama are not black males in the full sense. Both were born of and raised by women who are not the least bit like black American females.

    Increasing numbers of black males are not only rejecting black women, ultimately for racial/genetic and evolutionary reasons, but increasingly successful “black males” don’t even have black mothers.

    This is a double wammy on the ole black mammy.

    And Black Women, the Cannon Fodder of Feminism, stands as your proof.

    Black females were never the canon fodder for White feminism. White women were ALWAYS the main canon fodder for the disproportionately Jewish, Lesbian, left wing feminist movement.

    The only recourse for Black Women enmasse, is to *settle*. And do it quick, while they still can make it happen.

    If “settle” means get with average black males then that means increasing rates of spouse abuse, the humiliation of adultery, the burden of children by men who will eventually leave them, financial insecurity, etc etc.

    The problem with black women is black men, fathers, boyfriends, husbands.

    And the reality for black women is that for the most part that’s the only kind of male they’re ever gonna get.

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  325. ”””””””Dana,
    i almost thought my husband couldn’t read when i met him (he can lol)–he has no conception of the swpl universe or any formal philosophy, but we spend hours discussing philosophy, art, film, war, politics, history. it’s amazing, like watching a wholly uncontaminated brain at work. on his own he has come up with every major free market/libertarian concept right in front of me. does he have gaps in his knowledge? yes–but he’s eager to fill them in and connects the dots of history and ideas like a pro.””””””””””’

    Dana you are hot seriously.

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  326. Hello Willard,
    I knew you couldn’t resist.

    While you do make some interesting points, I think the wider point I was making was something your curiously remained silent about: that the big losers in The New Grrl Order are Women, not Men. For the reasons I’ve already noted, and used as point of illustration Black American Women. You’re likely to reject said illustration-fair enough-nevertheless, the point is made, and I’m hardly alone in making it. Among others, Roissy has also said as much, and recently in fact.

    The book The Inevitability of Patriarchy is yet another, albeit for slightly different reasons. And there are others.

    Question: do you agree w/my basic root premise, as outline in Obsidian Axiom #5 or not, and why?

    Thanks.

    O

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  327. — Since I’ve never had the opportunity to take a MB test, I’d wonder about my results as well.

    @DA: you can take a test online; just remember to go with your immediate gut responses, not think about them. To avoid tailoring the outcome to your preconceived self image. You are probably:

    Introvert
    Sensing
    Feeling
    Perceptive

    — I spent five days last year in the Bay Area and I’m still waiting to see this so-called “cute artsy” girl that you’re talking about.

    Nah, Bay Area is very metropolitan. I was talking much further north.

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  328. Though you might in fact be Intuitive, not Sensing.

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  329. INFP is the classic “Dreamer” profile. ISFP is dubbed “Artist.”

    You probably are more Dreamer than Artist.

    http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/

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  330. Myers Briggs test with interpretation:

    http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp

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  331. And now to tackle the meat of Willard’s points.

    WEB DuBois’ The Souls of Black Folk is considered one of if not thee earliest American sociological work/study, especially wrt African Americans.

    Two, there are many highly successful Black Men who clearly have strong African features and dark skin: Idris Elba, aka Stringer Bell from The Wire is one, Michael K. Williams aka Omar Little is another; then we have current Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, who, coincidentally, is married to a White Woman; Thomas Sowell; Walter Williams; Denzel Washington (who has a Black wife, as does Barack Obama); NBA great Shaquille O’Neal and Michael Jordan are clearly African in appearance. Massachusetts Governor Duval Patrick is yet another clearly identifiable Black Man.

    I could go on, of course, the list is quite numerous.

    So you were saying?

    And let’s examine your point about Black Men seeking non-Black Women as mates-isn’t there another side to the coin there-that there has to be a significant cohort of Non-Black Women who want these Men, too? Again, Clarence Thomas, and his predecessor Thurgood Marshall both had non-Black wives. Are both Men hateful of Black Women? Are their wives the bottom dregs of Womanhood that no Asian or White Man of any consequence would bother with? Please explain?

    And as for the litany of problems supposedly associated w/”average Black Men”-well, couldn’t we find White Women who can say the very same thing about *White Men*-average White Men? And if so, who is to blame there? Again, please explain?

    More after you holla back

    O

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  332. ”””””””’Lupo
    I’m kind of agreeing with the “jump the shark” comment. Better than this is to actually live the life you hinted at. I used to be a cop; got a black belt, I powerlift, play the pipes and my rooms are littered with guns and axes along with assorted manly antique awesomeness. The family trades are “town drunk” and “war hero.” Combine this with the Ph.D. in physics, and I’m Gust fookin’ Avrakatos. I scare the poon out of liberal girls, and the conservative ones vajayjays glue them to their seats when I hint about my past.
    El chief is right: hedge fund work is is super shady. Which is one of the reasons I like it. Frankly, it scares the shit out of me sometimes.”””””””

    Oh shit!!!!!

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  333. on August 1, 2009 at 5:00 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    Question: do you agree w/my basic root premise, as outline in Obsidian Axiom #5 (In The New Grrl Order, the net losers will not be Men, they will be Women. ) or not, and why?

    Hard to say because women were arguably the net losers BEFORE the new girl order. So in some ways obviously the opportunities have opened up tremendously as have the frustrations.

    In that sense it is analogous to the introduction of the market economy to societies with previous command economies. More freedom and opportunity and success but also more fear, loneliness and failure. More big winners and big losers while in the past you had a larger percentage in the mediocre middle.

    Or like the whole issue around Walmart. Lots of beneficiaries but what about the downside to the overall economy?

    The new girl order, as whiskey points out in the extreme, has advantaged the people who already have advantages and burdened the already burdened.

    The women who are losing out in personal relationships in the NGO would still be frustrated in a more limited society. Still plenty of educated and successful women, including black ones, are in fact in happy relationships or are married to men they like and love.

    The stereotype of the man-less, high achieving black female is a bit like the Asian man who can’t get a date stereotype. It’s ultimately more false than true.

    But I think one of your points may be that high achieving black females have a class bias and are unwilling to give “blue collar brothers” a chance. Maybe.

    If these black females are willing to give the officer Leon K. Lashleys of the world a chance, I really don’t think they will be as lonely.

    But that’s not really about the New Giirl Order that’s just old fashioned class/occupation snobbery.

    Sorta like why the pompous little Harvard professor Gates chose to go all PMS on the lowly “working class” police officer Crowley.

    WEB DuBois’ The Souls of Black Folk is considered one of if not thee earliest American sociological work/study, especially wrt African Americans.

    I think the better example would be “The Philadelphia Negro”.

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  334. Obs – you say women are the losers but you only talk about black women. Black women are losers in the current scenario because the few educated, successful black men often look elsewhere, towards other races of women. And in general, white/Hispanic/Asian men do not find black women attractive. So educated, successful black women are alone. But this doesn’t transfer to other races of women, who can date any race of guy, can fuck “alphas” throughout their 20’s and then try to settle with a “beta” in their 30’s. now hopefully, men are realizing this and starting to shun these women who have whored around for anything resembling a relationsihp. So other races may have things tough after they age single. But white women surely do not have the problems black women do in the current scenario. And white women, especially the educated variety, collectively show it through their bitchiness and arrogance.

    If Tiger Woods was a white golf champion, I tend to think he’d have little trouble getting a hot wife as well. Look at any QB or MLB player and see some hotwives. Women want rich, famous, powerful guys, regardless of race.

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  335. S – glad to hear it, but I usually don’t share, so that might take some convincing 😉

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  336. ””””””Cannon,
    i am going to respectfully disagree and will advise gunslingergregi to invest his billion dollar nest egg in a different fund.””””””””’

    lol Yea but seriously gonna do some fightclub shit except for the internet con when I hit daytrading time. Should be fun. There won’t be a billion dollars in any fund when I get it. Gonna go into solid touchable items.

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  337. on August 1, 2009 at 5:13 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obsidian,

    Did you enjoy the WIIIIDE screen viewing of the TV show you mentioned before, as per this comment?

    He knows what he wants.

    He wants a LOT of it.

    He knows where to get it.

    He is Obese-dian.

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  338. I am with obsidian.

    women are much more wired than men for LTR. the women above 40 I know who were never married are miserable, also.

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  339. Jack,
    As I noted above, I was using American Black Women as an illustrative point on a larger issue that I see accross the country and for that matter, the West (and beyond). As for your other points, please see my rebuttal to Willard above.

    O

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  340. Denninger has been giving extremely bad calls since Obama´s inauguration

    the ultra-bears lost momentum. They are all in Roubini-mode now, predicting the end of the world despite data changes. Somday they will be right again

    Denninger´s last move was a sell-side classic. if , say, industrial production declines for 10 months then it increases in the last two months, a bullish investor will point to changes in the margin. A ultra-bear like KD will ignore it and use only the year-on-year changes

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  341. Fuck that shit buy low sell a little higher.

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  342. Do it a million times.

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  343. Willard,
    You make some good points, but what I’ve said isn’t a stereotype, its very much a reality. Still, what you noted about class snobbery cannot be ignored either, and to an extent I spoke to this in my original post.

    As for DuBois, The Philadelphia Negro was indeed the forerunner to The Souls of Black Folk. But yea, I think we’re on the same page.

    Still waiting to hear back from you on the other points I made to you in my rebuttal to your points.

    O

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  344. @ guns

    your advices in finance are like G manifesto´s about game

    what do you do if you are not getting laid?
    swoop mad fly girls in southern France!!!

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  345. Women want rich, famous, powerful guys, regardless of race.

    All else being equal, women want a man of their own race. At least white women do.

    For extrinsic reasons (their familes and girlfrieds expect to see a baby who looks like its hers and not adopted by Angelina Jolie) and intrinsic reasons (she wants a baby who looks like she does and not adopted by Madonna).

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  346. dana
    The day after i met my hub he took me to his place and showed me his homemade weapons collection he kept near his bed. they were crazy. one was a knife sharpener with electical tape hold 100 tacks around it with needles sticking out of the top. i was, um, intrigued–to put it modestly

    Too soon for chic, I would have hit the bricks running. My first thought would have been he is showing me the weapons he will use to kill me.

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  347. …oh, he did show me the weapon he killed me with chic 😉

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  348. Apeman,
    I kinda figured you’d turn up before long. Lemme address your point:

    The show More To Love, just happened to be on the tv at the nitespot I met one of my buddies to talk shop. I had gotten there early and caught it on the screen. I would not have paid it much thought unless for the fact that it was mentioned in this forum last week, and came to mind when I saw it last night. Really simple as that really.

    As for my own tastes, I don’t have a problem w/a BBW provided she has a figure. Some of the girls on the show last night looked alrite to me. *shrug*

    O

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  349. on August 1, 2009 at 6:06 pm GNPs are for Apes

    As for my own tastes, I don’t have a problem w/a BBW provided she has a figure. Some of the girls on the show last night looked alrite to me.

    Of course.

    I must complement you on how conprehensive of an infrastructure you have built to pursue your fetish. Friends who inform you immediately of an opportunity to see a) such a show, and b) that too on a wiiiiiiide screen.

    He knows what he wants.

    He wants a LOT of it.

    He have multiple avenues through which to get it.

    Mu’Min likes BIG WuMin.

    I mean, in order to pursue their respective fetishes to the same degree that your have seized yours :

    a) xsplat would have to become the principal of a K-12 school for orphaned, impoverished girls to maximize HIS fetish.

    b) Peter would have to follow in the footsteps of Dr. Jane Goodall, relocate to Africa, and fully integrate into chimpanzee society, mating with female chimpanzees, to maximize HIS fetish.

    Of course, neither xsplat nor Peter is anywhere near their respective utopias. These analogies show how well-developed of an enterprise you have created. A commendable accomplishment.

    Now you just need to spread the fat around and get Norbit Alexander a suitable BBW (Big Black Woman) from your Big Black Book.

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  350. Roissy is right. Women are amoral. All over the world.

    “Chinese mistress contest takes tragic turn”

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/china.mistress.contest/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

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  351. on August 1, 2009 at 6:11 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””””””gig
    @ guns

    your advices in finance are like G manifesto´s about game

    what do you do if you are not getting laid?
    swoop mad fly girls in southern France!!!”””””””””””””””’

    Mine is still hypothesis on the stocks. Hopefully will be proven true. The investment in solid shit though like paying off houses with cash anyone can do. especially if they just do it and don’t get sidetracked he he he

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  352. Apeman,
    A: why do I need to help Dave Alex get any Woman, let alone a Norbit type (who I myself personally find not attractive)

    B: why are you concerned about who I choose to spend my time with

    C: why do you spend so much time dumping on Women you find unattractive, instead of merely talking about Women you do find attractive

    Hmm?

    Just curious.

    O

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  353. on August 1, 2009 at 6:32 pm GNPs are for Apes

    A : You spent so much time trying to help him, that this would be a solution. You would have to give up only 1/4th of a ton (500 pounds) of dark matter, out of the many tons at your disposal, so a very small percentage.

    B : I am not ‘concerned’, I merely am complimenting your action-oriented go-getter approach, which has gotten you much closer to a fetish utopia than xsplat or Peter has gotten (the details of which, for each, is described earlier). You have thus outperformed these white men by a wiiiide margin.

    C : How is it ‘dumping’? Anyway, I always talk about women I DO find attractive, including black women, like Tamron Hall (who has great tracts of land).

    He is a self-made man.

    He wants a LOT of what he wants.

    He makes sure he gets it.

    He is Obese-dian.

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  354. Apeman,
    A: then, why do YOU help Dave Alex, since you clearly want him to get w/a certain kind of Woman that I don’t even know personally, but you seem to take a great interest in

    B: thanks-I think

    C: hmm, good point. OK, then maybe you’re not dumping…just showing a ver close to weird interest in the kind of Women other guys here like. That’s…really not cool.

    And

    D: knock yourself out wrt Tamron Hall. She is nice looking.

    O

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  355. Obsidian, I’m glad things are going well with Sugah. It can be scary for a woman who is new to D/s these days, regardless of her ethnicity. For Black women though, it’s a place we’re told not to go for usually legitimate reasons. It’s just that what’s good for the herd is seldom good for the individual…and for the individualist who walks the walk, it can even be harmful to tow the party line.

    Just be ready for the trust issues. They’re going to surface sooner or later. When they did between me and Shai, we both got to the point of almost walking away…but then something happened that had never happened to me before. When he started to walk away, I literally chased him.

    …crying like a bitch.

    :: sigh ::

    The explosion was basically all the crap from all the years until I met a man I could actually trust with my life. For some weird reason my mind seized on something I don’t even remember the specifics of, but was convinced that meant he didn’t really love me or something silly along those lines.

    A scene was made, and I said things I really shouldn’t have because they absolutely did not apply to him. They applied to all the pathetic failure I had to shovel through to find the treasure: someone who could be a man for me with no copping out to my female version of butchness.

    I can take care of myself, but he wanted to take care of me anyway. I was beginning to really belong to him, and that scared the piss out of me because everyone else I was with but didn’t really belong to. It’s hard to explain…don’t know if there are words for it.

    This is one reason I felt so devastated when, for very natural reasons, our relationship shifted to platonic. I lost something very important, but then I gained something very important too. Now he’s kind of like an additional father/big brother figure with intimate perks that would be mildly inappropriate with an actual relative.

    I never thought I’d find another qualified to fill his former position…but then there’s that nature/law of attraction thing. I might have. We’ll see.

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  356. dana
    …oh, he did show me the weapon he killed me with chic

    lol

    so it was a pleasurable death 🙂

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  357. the girl in Tray´s video is a 10

    @ guns

    for the last 3 months I have never ever talked to anyone recommending stocks. consensus sucks. anyway, the top hedge fund manager here just said that the rally may be close to the end

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  358. on August 1, 2009 at 6:54 pm GNPs are for Apes

    A : I don’t have access to the type of BBWs that would enable DA to experience a Norbit fantasy. You, however, have several tons of dark matter at your disposal, in your Big Black Book. Plus, it is not me who was trying to help him.

    B : Hence, you no longer have to think that white guys have more advantages than you. You have outperformed xsplat and Peter in fetish-actualization.

    C : Humor is as old as human society.

    And now, a song.

    (….imagine these lyrics in the Shaft theme song beat from Isaac Hayes).

    He is a self-made man.

    He knows what he wants.

    He wants a LOT of it.

    He is Obese-dian.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

    He pursues the big game

    He has friends who scout them for him.

    He can even spare a quart-ton for Norbit Alex.

    Mu’Min likes BIG WuMin.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

    A superb song! Don Cornelius would book Isaac Hayes to sing it on the next Soul Train if he could.

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  359. on August 1, 2009 at 6:56 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Sorry, full song here, lyrics in italics.

    (….imagine these lyrics in the Shaft theme song beat from Isaac Hayes).

    He is a self-made man.

    He knows what he wants.

    He wants a LOT of it.

    He is Obese-dian.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

    He pursues the big game

    He has friends who scout them for him.

    He can even spare a quart-ton for Norbit Alex.

    Mu’Min likes BIG WuMin.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

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  360. Apeman, I think seeing you trying to actually sing the song would be funny. Post it up on YouTube!

    I actually do not know any Women who look like Norbit. Seriously. For some reason, you have trouble making distinctions: “plus size” doesn’t automatically mean “Norbit”.

    And besides, Dave Alex has expressed a desire for White Women not Black, so the mainly White contestants on More To Love might actually be to his liking.

    Interesting sense of humor you have. Hmm.

    O

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  361. @ GNP

    a man can only call a woman ugly if he is banging girls hotter than her. if he isn´t, he is a loser. as Obsidian would say, just some thoughts.

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  362. What a load of shit…The commentator who brought up the analogy to True Lies had it absolutely right. I have a passport full of bizarre stamps from West Africa and Asia. And I have run my own small hedge fund. London, not Connecticut is the true home of hedge funds, in fact most dumb yanks still don’t know how to arbitrage between USD denominated bonds and European government issues. Back in the day at one of the money cent re banks, (since taken over by the krauts so guess who), they used to just pass all their non usd business over to the London Office.

    As for hitting women – No man should ever hit a woman unless it is really necessary. I have done it twice and regret both times but if I hadn’t done it I would have been dead. There is no manifesto to this, sure women write love letters to rapists ans serial killers. In the UK the Yorkshire Ripper has had plenty of marriage proposals, but would you as a self respecting man want to go with the kind of crazy woman that fantasizes about a killer of women. surely if there is any point to being a pick up artist it is not to settle for any dismal dora from the boondocks who is desperate enough to throw herself at a murdered. If there is any mileage to be had in being a pick up artist it is only to be gained by screwing the cream of the crop. Now if your flying coach class because your employer wont pay for you to go first, let alone business, then feel free to pick up the overweight tourist next to you, but don’t expect to meet Francoise Bettencourt or Some Hollywood actress.

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  363. on August 1, 2009 at 7:14 pm GNPs are for Apes

    And besides, Dave Alex has expressed a desire for White Women not Black, so the mainly White contestants on More To Love might actually be to his liking.

    Now why is that?

    That is why unless you want Willard Libby to be right and you to be wrong, you have to, quite literally, crush out this preference of DA’s, like so (see image). Flattening him under a quart-ton of dark matter will change his worldview in a flash.

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  364. @gnp- man you need a life. you troll this place looking for mu so he can have a conversation with you. It must suck being locked in your mom’s moldy basement. How are your lungs and weazing coming along.

    Tarl
    “I call that diarrhea” — or the aftereffects of a cup of Starbuck’s.

    Or a chocolate milkshake from McDonalds. Forgive me for being crewed. My younger cousin had McD’s chocolate milkshake a few weeks ago. You would have thought he had eaten a barrel of prunes. the toiler bowl looked like his azz sneezed when I went to clean him up.

    Mu I consider Women to be attracted to serial killers, rapists, gangbangers and the like, to be sick
    Amen,

    and will test a man who they believe to be a phony with a “you & him fight type deal”. No random poon is worth a night in jail or your life.

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  365. Apeman,
    You would have to ask Dave Alex as to why he favors White Women over Black. I think its better that way than for me to attempt to speak for him or to speculate.

    As for “dark matter”, lol, like I said, there are careful distinctions to be made here-merely being a “plus sized” Woman does not equate to “Norbit” or “dark matter” etc. Even the show, More To Love, had Women of different sizes and shapes, heights, etc. It is in my view unfair and downright meanspirited to attempt to lump all plus sized Women into a box merely because on some anti-plus sized female bias on one’s part. I simply don’t get this notion that one has to putdown what they personally don’t like in order to make what they do like more valuable. Its silly, childish, and *definitely* not Alpha.

    O

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  366. Not to put too fine a point on it, Obsidian, I think you have it easy. I’m making this point because you are NOT “ghetto”, and as a skilled tradesman you come in at the social level where the much derided “underclass game” and supposed selection for thugs do not apply. However, men in your socio-economic situation are outnumbered by the many, many women who have made it into the lower-middle-classes and up, as your own reflections on this surplus have shown. Also, I personally think your game, like Mystery’s club game, is sociolect-specific to a sort of Harlem Renaissance sensibility in your case, to a certain White Party Girl type in his case. Perhaps white men who game in retro Zoot Suit clubs can use the specifics of it to help them.

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  367. chic noirbuttox,

    You showed a video of your handiwork before, so as a result, I shall grant you your fondest wish. You shall have the privelege of being permitted to, at 9 PM tonight :

    Detox my Buttox.

    And do a good job this time.

    – GB

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  368. Eurosabra,
    Good points you make, and never saw myself as having a “Harlem Renaissance” style, lol. But I like it! The heroes who came out of that era epitomized “cool”, so I’m definitely down with that.

    As for my occupation, actually I’ve had quite a few, and am now in something of a state of flux on that front, hence my delays on when my own blog is likely to be started up. Got other irons in the fire that I’m taking care of and that, if all things work out, will take me in another direction. Gotta roll with the punches…stick and move.

    My only point was that it is ironic to listen to guys who have more real advantages in life than I do, complain so bitterly. If anything one would think such words and tonality would be coming from me, and that simply is not the case at all. While life could no doubt be lots better, it at all aint half bad, and if it all came to an end right now, I can honestly say its been a great ride.

    Thanks again.

    O

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  369. @GhostofNicole:

    “I can take care of myself, but he wanted to take care of me anyway. I was beginning to really belong to him, and that scared the piss out of me because everyone else I was with but didn’t really belong to. It’s hard to explain…don’t know if there are words for it.”
    It’s called finding someone you truly love. You probably didn’t recognize the emotion you were feeling, and that intermingled with fear caused you to want to back away. You probably also felt as though you were connected spiritually and felt a level of vulnerability that you weren’t comfortable with, because you could be hurt 10x more than ever.

    On top of that, you were probably questioning why he wanted to take care of you, or if he even really did. (trust)

    I’m sure one of the men might enter some comment about the “beta provider” or the “beta you are the one for me” type of person, but I that may have not been the case with this relationship. It sounds like you two had (and to a certain extent, still have) a connection that most people don’t.

    “This is one reason I felt so devastated when, for very natural reasons, our relationship shifted to platonic. I lost something very important, but then I gained something very important too. Now he’s kind of like an additional father/big brother figure with intimate perks that would be mildly inappropriate with an actual relative.”
    I think it’s important for a girl/woman to have a sort of brother/father figure that isn’t a relative. He can help her grow and understand more about yourself, relationships with people, life pursuits, etc.

    In a sense, you probably also gained a better understanding of yourself and relationships. Not all romantic relationships that end are failed ones.

    “I never thought I’d find another qualified to fill his former position…but then there’s that nature/law of attraction thing. I might have. We’ll see.”
    Once you actually make a connection with someone in that way, it’s difficult. I’m sure you’ll be able to do it, you’re a brilliant woman and very positive woman.

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  370. Ladies and Gentlemen! Step Right Up! See the Amazing 17 year old Virgin who can Talk Out of her Ass!

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  371. GayButtox is to chicnoir
    what GNP is to MU
    as luker is to mandy

    gaybuttox, turn your chair over and sit on one the legs. *ah oooh yea * gives you the feeling of papa bear huh 🙂

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  372. S – talking about raw chemistry versus intellectual compatibility, and the difficulty of getting both

    Sure, that’s all good and true, but I’m entering a professional field. I need someone I can relate to intellectually too.

    Ya, ideally we all want that, don’t we?

    I know to which side I lean, when I make my compromises. I like my life to be sexually supercharged, and when it isn’t, a little bit of me dies inside each day.

    I want and need to be very alive. Intellectual compatibility is important, and nurturing, and good. But not sufficient. At bare minimum I need high capacity super-sex.

    Ideally, I’d have it all. Till then, I have what I need most.

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  373. The real problems:

    1] Most men refuse to admit that women are amoral cunts.

    2] They refuse to admit that the only indispensible service that a woman can provide is sexual (and can be purchased at very reasonable rates).

    3] They let themselves be conned into relationships, children, status crap.

    4] and then, they wonder why things are so fucked up.

    What can I say…

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  374. 2] They refuse to admit that the only indispensible service that a woman can provide is sexual (and can be purchased at very reasonable rates).

    3] They let themselves be conned into relationships,

    Food is more nourshing when it’s made with love and given to you by someone who loves you.

    Sex with someone who is into you is more satisfying than sex with someone who isn’t.

    Money can’t purchase all indispensable satisfactions. It just helps as one tool to acquire them.

    Affection is indispensable to the good life. And someone who loves you can also act as a personal servant, which is handy.

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  375. Why white men are fucked..

    1] Adverse demographic profile (younger workers are not going to be as white as you + too many older people in a system not designed for that eventuality)

    2] Technology has spread (no technological advantage + loss of the ability to innovate)

    3] The failure to predict outcomes in complex systems accurately (combined with hubris)

    4] Economic paradigm has failed (you cannot run a non-zero sum system with a zero-sum mentality)

    5] Feminism (need I say more).

    6] The irreversibility of complex systems (we cannot go back to a “better” time.. there is no back)

    7] Denial about their change of status (all the sophisms and echo chambers in the universe cannot save you)

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  376. Lucifer, who was the woman who made you hate all women?

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  377. xsplat,

    If that is the case, why do women divorce or break up with men.. men they repeatedly professed to love?

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  378. chic noir,

    all of them.

    I like women.. but only for sex.. that is all.

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  379. Whiskey to Obsidian — MOST women lust after killers.

    😯 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

    *Opens the front door of chatew Roissy to the guys in white from Bellevue Hospital*

    That him fellas*points to whiskey* right there.
    *watches as techs struggle to put a straight jacket on whiskey*

    *willard turns his back to sheild his giggles from whiskey*

    *walks over to comment whatever*
    Hey buddy,

    *passes comment_whatever a gin and tonic*

    how are you this evening. we don’t talk anymore.

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  380. Lucifer

    If that is the case, why do women divorce or break up with men.. men they repeatedly professed to love?

    Because love doesn’t last. So what? Who cares? Who needs or wants permanence anyway?

    Damn lucky for us it doesn’t last. Variety is the thing.

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  381. lucifer If that is the case, why do women divorce or break up with men.. men they repeatedly professed to love?

    okay, this comment told me what I needed to know, thanks.

    p.s. the slip side of your questions would be… why do men cheat on women they profess to love?

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  382. Lucifer, you know that the truth is that humans in general are amoral, and that men don’t really need women at all for mere sex.

    Again, if you’re going to do women at all, then you’d do best to save it for women you consider worthy of more than the privilege of being your incubated toilet paper. To do otherwise is an apparently harmful compromise for you.

    Shitting on people doesn’t turn them into toilets. Even in the case of those with such fetishes, the shitter is as much of a deviant as the shittee.

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  383. by gig´s ying-yang law of complimentarity between the genders, the amount of hate a man has WRT women measures exactly how hateful he is to them

    Lucifer, join GNP and get a life

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  384. Lucifer – you say white men are fucked because social security is uncertain, and demographics and society have changed such that we have lost status?

    Ok, but that doesn’t affect me, personally, and that’s no accident. I don’t pay into nor will I ever get social security benefits. I handle my own finances. I don’t live in places where my status is declining, and instead choose to live in places where my white skin gives me high status.

    The reasons you give for white men being fucked are avoidable life choices.

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  385. and that men don’t really need women at all for mere sex

    I had forgotten how Nicole was able to say amazingly stupid things from time to time.

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  386. Ghost of Nicole,

    All I am saying that you should not expect others to treat you better than you treat them..

    women seem to forget that.

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  387. chatew Roissy

    ghetto French. it translates into English as “brutha´s place”

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  388. oh, i forgot to fix that.

    don’t get your hopes up troll.

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  389. Lucifer

    All I am saying that you should not expect others to treat you better than you treat them..

    women seem to forget that.

    Dude, talk about projection!

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  390. also, “noir” is masculine. the feminine is “noire”.

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  391. chic noir,

    you did not understand the direction of my statement.

    It comes down to a number game.

    Let’s say, there are 90 red balls and 10 yellow balls in a box.. that means you have a chance of getting a yellow ball on every 10th try..

    But what if it turns out that there are at least 30 explosive balls in the mix (and they can go off at any time, not just when you first touch them).. now you have a higher chance of getting killed or maimed that getting a yellow ball..

    Would you play that game?

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  392. @Lucifer:

    “All I am saying that you should not expect others to treat you better than you treat them..

    women seem to forget that.”

    What if, hypothetically speaking, you were to encounter a woman who treated you well, or who would treat you well?

    Would you just assume, that because she’s a woman, she’s this terrible, terrible person and deserves maltreatment?

    The issue with your attitude is that it can result in a neverending cycle. Someone of a group treats you badly, so you, in turn, treat everyone of that group badly. Even the better members of that group (so to speak) will respond negatively if you treat them terribly of the bat, with a horrid negative attitude.

    I’m not saying to kiss people’s feet, I’m saying to at least try to remain neutral (or mildly aloof) to determine that. Being so cynical and jaded isn’t good. (although mild doses of cynicism can be healthy to keep your head out of the clouds)

    I’m not trying to criticize you, or anything, I’m just trying to understand…

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  393. @ xsplat

    projection is the word. Since I care much less than, say, Obsidian, about other human beings, I won´t try to solve Lucifer´s problems

    Lucifer, you are fucked up. Buy and Iphone 3G and Join some network for online playing. And wait for sexbots

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  394. xsplat,

    you like to live in a make believe world.. hope it can last long enough.

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  395. Lucifer, no but a relationship doesn’t life & death. then again, i have some nerve giving advice. pay my advice on love no mind.

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  396. gig,

    I prefer escorts.. all the fun but none of the problems + BS.

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  397. gig Lucifer, you are fucked up

    so said the alpha of the comment section.

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  398. I still believe that the love of a woman (bonus if make two love you at the same time) is the greatest pleasure in life

    but hookers offer great sex though, but only the expensive ones.

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  399. gig,

    people get enraged about credit card companies changing contracts mid course.. but women bait and switch all the time.

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  400. The failure to predict outcomes in complex systems accurately (combined with hubris)

    what the hell does it mean?

    if I get it, people shouldn´t watch sports, for example. Or raise crops.

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  401. Lucifer, knowing, as you do, that some balls are explosive, why not exploit that knowledge, and delight in pyrotechnics? Exploit everyone appropriately? Bitches can be a blast.

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  402. Lucifer is a skinny dork with a small malformed penis that is only capable of 1/3 erection and bends sharply to the left when erect, and his urethra is underneath his glans, not at the tip. His ejaculate is a frothy mix of watery down semen and pus.

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  403. so said the alpha of the comment section

    I feeling kind now. Translate “alpha” into French for me.

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  404. on August 1, 2009 at 9:13 pm Willard Libby

    Lucifer

    What can I say…,/i>

    Lots of stupid shit.

    Lucifer

    Why white men are fucked..

    Still better off than a bunch of fuckin Tamil monkeys.

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  405. PA bends sharply to the left when erect

    don’t make fun of this defect. I’ve heard women say good things about men who has this natural gift.

    no joke!

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  406. Lucifer

    gig,

    people get enraged about credit card companies changing contracts mid course.. but women bait and switch all the time.

    All the negative traits of women can be used to your advantage and as tools against them.

    You speak as if their bad points are a disadvantage to you. Doesn’t have to work like that. If you know women, the good and the bad, you are in a position to have power over them. To puppet them. To be the spider, drawing her into your web, where she thought she was the spider.

    You seem to completely miss the kung-fu of dating.

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  407. Chic, but you’re assuming a full leftward erection and more than 4″

    Lucy isn’t that talented.

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  408. @PA- so you’ve heard women talk about “the bend” too?

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  409. gig,

    In case you have not noticed, many ideas espoused and promoted by whites have failed miserably. A few examples:

    1. Faking economic growth by making money by gambling on money (financialism).

    2. Creating a system of entitlements without creating a system that can pay them (it can be done, just not with our current systems).

    3. Understanding chronic disease (almost all of our understanding of chronic disease and aging are based on pretty poor speculation that has been shown to not work- I can give you many examples)

    4. A lot of what you think is “cutting edge” science is really bad speculation and fakery. We despise true innovation.

    5. Running an evolving post-industrial system (our current civilization) on old rules (crony “capitalism”).

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  410. Possibly, don’t remember

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  411. Lucifer
    Complex systems are indeed unpredictable so where you get off predicting the doom of any group?
    Arguing for the central role played by irreducible chaos is fine with me. I do it a lot. But you realize that a free-market system is way better suited for navigating chaos than anything planned.
    Hating on women is like paying for sex. They both are admissions of failure.

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  412. Willard Libby,

    Do you think I care? You are entertaining, as much as a white shit eater can be.

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  413. on August 1, 2009 at 9:31 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Again, Lucy is not representative of Indians as a whole.

    He has a weird worldview where the global racial divide bisects India in two, with whites and North Indians on one side, and South Indians and blacks on the other.

    He is a candidate for the title of stupidest commenter ever to post here, which is saying something.

    Lucifer is both a ‘Lucy’ and a ‘Desi’. Ha Ha Ha Ha

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  414. Lucifer, living in a hostile dating environment myself, I feel you.

    I’m just at a different phase in the saga. Just keep your head up, and stop letting the harpies and hoes win. They’re clouding your vision so that you can’t see your Lilith.

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  415. Rum,

    But many whites go around pretending that they can model complex systems and expect you should believe them.. financial systems, climate models, a lot of “high end physics”, evo-pysch, archeological reconstructions, psychology, “scientific paradigms” are just speculation.. not science.

    The problem with such hubris is that it eventually makes the afflicted do a series of incredibly stupid and self-destructive things

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  416. Lucifer has:

    None of the white man’s majesty
    None of the black man’s virtuosity
    None of the yellow man’s grace
    None of the red man’s spirit

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  417. Rum

    Hating on women is like paying for sex. They both are admissions of failure.

    Exactly. It would be just like hating on flour, or butter, or lemon juice. It is what it is. Use it for whatever it’s worth.

    Me, I make pastries and juggle them.

    Lucifer suffers from a lack of imagination and drive. Clueless as to how to exploit women. He thinks he solved the system, and avoids the worst in them, and gets the best. Huge failure of imagination. And drive.

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  418. This argument isn’t going to go anywhere.

    Lucifer will continue to hate white people, white civilization, and women because he wants to. His twisted thinking results in him wanting some sort of “justice.”

    No matter how many logical arguments Rum, PA, gig, and whoever else tries to put forth, he’s still going to hate white people.

    You can’t make a leopard change its spots. Even the ones it drew on itself.

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  419. game was invented by whites and it works

    SIEG HEIL !

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  420. chic noirbuttox wrote :

    GayButtox is to chicnoir

    er…no. Don’t flatter yourself.

    You know as well as I that you lust after the privilege to take up the task that has been bestowed upon you.

    Now get on with your preparations, as there is only a little bit of time before your appointment, where you will be permitted to :

    Detox my Buttox.

    I know you are counting the seconds…….

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  421. PA,

    But all those qualities are non-existent in those groups. How can I lack something that does not exist?

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  422. Mandy! XD,

    I find hubris amusing.. that is about it.

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  423. tood Again, Lucy is not representative of Indians as a whole

    Are you the spokesman for Indians now? Relax, being a minority sucks at times but you are an individual.

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  424. xsplat,

    I think you should read up on the concept of “total cost of ownership”.

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  425. Lucifer, you loathe the Brahmin northern Indians. They care nothing for your impotent howls of rage, hence your misdirected hatered of whites, who happen to respond, amusedly, to your babbling.

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  426. “total cost of ownership” for dating women is higher than “total cost of ownership” of banging hot and reasonable escorts.

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  427. PA,

    I cannot hate what I am..

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  428. Lucifer has:

    None of the white man’s majesty
    None of the black man’s virtuosity
    None of the yellow man’s grace
    None of the red man’s spirit

    And most damning of all: no panache.

    A grown man, with no panache, is not a grown man. A man makes his style, and his place. A life well lived leads to mastery and shows in all actions as panache. What Lucifer is doing has no flair.

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  429. xsplat,

    I do not care about what others think about me.

    I do not require people to tell me that I am desirable, intelligent, worthy etc.. I know what I am.. I do not require external validation.

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  430. Lucifer

    xsplat,

    I think you should read up on the concept of “total cost of ownership”.

    You are so misdirected and misguided that pointing out your errors would only baffle you.

    Women are more than pussies to me. Get it? Do I need to say it twice? Two thousand times?

    Nope. You don’t get it. Never will.

    Failure of imagination.

    And regarding paying for sex, you are more clueless still. I get more than I give, financially, out of women. I make them my low cost secretaries, who earn me dosh.

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  431. xsplat,

    Your problem is that you think women are more than pussies.

    You prefer to be constrained by the “free” sex you get without considering the loss of opportunities to enjoy your life and fuck lots of paid pussy.

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  432. Lucifer, your problem is that you think men are more than pussies.

    Everybody is a pussy until their honor has been tested and proven.

    One day when yours has, you will truly not need external validation including sex…and especially not paid sex.

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  433. Lucifer

    If you are so unconcerned about any living soul thinks of you, what do you pay whores to do? I mean, they are above else simply actresses who use their bodies. What sort of act are you paying for, if not one that flatters you?
    “ooh, ooh, you are sooo big!!!” I bet you would not go to one that told you the truth.

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  434. Just to point out that at most half of marriages seem to end in divorce in the US of which roughly twothirds are initiated by women.

    So… it does work out at least half of the time, and most of the time women aren’t making trouble when you marry ’em.

    I cannot hate what I am..

    Not sure about you but a lot of people manage this e.g omegas, depression.

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  435. Rum,

    I know it is an act, whether you pay for it or not. So why get the deal with bait-and-switch.

    I see sex like eating, drinking.. just a physiological and pleasurable act.. think of buying sex as eating at a good restaurant.

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  436. on August 1, 2009 at 10:00 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    Are you the spokesman for Indians now?

    Well, no. Indians are a very large group.

    Most of the Indians who have come here (Lucy, Feministx, AuntiJi, Female PUA, etc.) have been people I strongly disapprove of, however.

    They will create anti-Indian animus, which other Indians do not deserve.

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  437. Ghost of Nicole,

    Tell that to a guy who wants to prove something.. I could care less.

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  438. The Fifth Horseman,

    you are afraid of not being accepted as a honorary white.. I could care less.

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  439. on August 1, 2009 at 10:04 pm The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    you are afraid of not being accepted as a honorary white.. I could care less.

    I most certainly don’t want to be a white, you ugly, potbellied Madrasi.

    You just are dumb as shit, that is all. You have never even been to the US, yet profess to know exactly why the US is about to collapse, yet also admit that even post-collapse, the US will be far wealthier than India, and Indians will continue to form a long line to enter the US.

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  440. Lucifer, you must be a sociopath, as you feel no need for emotional nourishment.

    You seem to not comprehend the pleasures of emotion.

    If that’s the case, then your strategy is indeed best for you. But only 1% of humans are sociopaths, so your admonitions will fall on unreceptive ears. Most humans enjoy emotional comforts, and life would be of unbearably low quality without them.

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  441. tood They will create anti-Indian animus, which other Indians do not deserve.

    *passes tood a bud light*

    *takes sip of diet coke*

    Yes, I understand believe me I do. Did you read about the anti- Indian race war/slash riots that went down recently in australia? Being the other is always somewhat dangerous, even if you come as a model minority.

    ——————————
    *looks over to gig*
    *thinks to self* “I guess he thinks all is cool now”

    hello gig *smiles sweetly* how are you tonight handsome.

    I just love your manly accent.

    *thinks to self*

    I can’t understand half of what this MF is saying most of the time.

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  442. *pulls a blindfolded gig into a basement room at Chateau roissy *

    *bypasses a chained head banging and mumbling gnp*

    *whispers sensually in gig’s ear*

    You are going to get chic noir’s goodies tonight gig. You will have bragging rights as the first man to make chic noir see stars.

    *now give me a moment to remove this dress*

    *looks down at detox, tied stomach down & mouth muzzled with duck tape laying across a rusty desk*

    Mouths to detox I will detox your buttox tonight and oh what a wonder time you will have.

    tells gig*
    come closer sweetie, I’m ready for your brazilin bazooka.

    *Watches gig get his first taste of booty, pushing past impacted waste*

    *detox passes out from intense pleasure &pain*

    *gig mumbles, hums, sighs, sings, and whispers words of passion in portuguese*

    *laughs evil laugh and runs from room*

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  443. There are a lot of SE Asian/Indian people in my part of the US. They are mainly among the elite, especially compared to the average white. I do not detect any desire from any of them to be “white”.
    The real divide seems to be between Brahim families and the others. Of course, if one hangs around Brits a lot one will notice that class issues are sometimes vivid also.
    Americans simply care less about that than anyone else in the world. Good for us…

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  444. Lucifer, were that the case, you’d be selecting hookers based on the experience they provide, not merely based on looks.

    I live in a place where prostitution is both legal and common. It’s even common for certain “normal” girls to do it in exchange for gifts or other perks.

    The guys who are looking for hot go to brothels where there’s a selection of fairly uniform “hot” chicks…slim and blonde usually. This is McDonalds sex. The guys looking for young use call girls who are quite often college students or around that age, who need the money and have a freer attitude than in the brothels. This is Bennigan’s sex.

    The guys who look for fun go to one like my neighbor in the building in front of mine, who is a 40+ somewhat chubby woman who is a dye blonde, but most people wouldn’t look at her and know she’s a hooker. She does pretty brisk business though, and makes enough to afford to rent a place in an affluent neighborhood. All of us neighbors know what she does there, but she’s quiet and her clientelle is classy, polite, and wealthy. This is nice restaurant sex.

    Now, forgive me if I’m wrong, but you don’t seem like the kind of guy buying nice restaurant sex. You seem to buy Bennigan’s sex at best.

    …and if I was to hazard a guess, I’m betting on Anglo looking bimbo types.

    If these are the types of women you’ve tried to date, gave up on, and decided to buy time with, then perhaps you have made the right decision.

    However, generalized dissing of all women just because you haven’t found the unicorn is bad form. Your preferred type just happens to be the current sheeple favorite, so their mass appeal is going to give them more selection power. If you’re not their preferred target type, then there’s no need for resentment…just facing the facts.

    I would tell you that maybe you need to consider focussing your attentions on women who are more suited to you, but if you’re chasing the unicorn and don’t have Roissy level game to pump and dump them before any real damage is done, then all I can address is the labelling you’re doing to others you’re not interested in shagging anyway.

    We don’t deserve your hatred. Your sexual avoidance will do just fine. Just don’t be angry with us because we don’t have the half of your unicorn dream that gets your dick up.

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  445. Rum

    Americans simply care less about that than anyone else in the world. Good for us…

    Canada is less class conscious still.

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  446. I would agree that Canada has less stratification of incomes and lifestyles. It is also much more ethnically homogeneous.
    Here is the acid test, imho: How strong is resentment towards the rich/successful? Do average people want to bring down the rich or do they identify with them and want to join them?
    The latter uniquely describes America.

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  447. We want to be rich, of course. Doesn’t everybody?

    I never noticed any animosity towards the rich when I lived there. We have a bit more a socialist mindset, on the whole, but that doesn’t imply any animosity towards the better people.

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  448. Everyone(including gig&detox) my comment @ 10:11pm is/was gross and over the top. Please forgive me. I apologize to both gig and detox for putting the two of you in such a demeaning scenario.

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  449. @GhostofNicole:

    “The guys who look for fun go to one like my neighbor in the building in front of mine, who is a 40+ somewhat chubby woman who is a dye blonde, but most people wouldn’t look at her and know she’s a hooker. She does pretty brisk business though, and makes enough to afford to rent a place in an affluent neighborhood. All of us neighbors know what she does there, but she’s quiet and her clientelle is classy, polite, and wealthy. This is nice restaurant sex.”

    This I don’t understand. If she’s overweight, middle aged, and past her prime, then why would she be nice restaurant sex? Couldn’t the wealthy find someone a bit younger and more asthetically pleasing who does a similar business?

    I just find this to be unusual, and somewhat going against the analogy.

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  450. Many, Ghost is trying to bust her ego with bullshit. Of course top class sex is with an emotionally satisfying and freaky young hottie. Duh.

    Young girls can have all required, and old women can’t.

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  451. build her ego up using bullshit. Pretty lies.

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  452. I will only pay for gals between 18 and 30, minimum 7 in looks, nice attitude and no clock watching.

    You can get that for between 200-300 $/hr.

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  453. You can get that for between 200-300 $/hr.

    And you think you are being financially prudent, overall.

    I’m having a hard time understanding how anyone so mentally slow comes up with that amount to begin with.

    I’m starting to think that you are merely a troll – you have no interest in learning anything or contributing anything. You just want to posit a few antisocial ideas, to get attention. Attention whore.

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  454. Xsplat, I’ve already said it. Every argument with Lucifer ends the same.

    And he repeats the same arguments over and over.

    Just sayin’, even if he isn’t a troll, it’s not always worth it.

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  455. Mandy

    A lot of women go thru a phase where they try to convince men that they should prefer women like them – usually fat types. They like to tell stories about how lots of desirable men really do prefer fat women but they are ashamed to admit it in front of their friends and so they go to fat prostitutes.
    After a while, they give up because the true facts don’t seem to change much.
    Here is some wine-soaked honest advice. Make avoiding obesity a major priority. It is a huge factor in how well the rest of your life will turn out. No kidding.

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  456. on August 1, 2009 at 11:08 pm Willard Libby

    The Fifth Horseman (formerly Tood)

    (To Lucifer)

    I most certainly don’t want to be a white, you ugly, potbellied Madrasi.

    You just are dumb as shit, that is all. You have never even been to the US….

    I’m not 100% sure but I think Lucifer lives in northern Virginia, USA.

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  457. @Rum:

    This connects with women qualifying themselves. They’d rather gloss over their flaws and try to turn them into something positive instead of working on them and fixing them.

    “After a while, they give up because the true facts don’t seem to change much.”
    And because they can’t even convince themselves.

    “Make avoiding obesity a major priority. It is a huge factor in how well the rest of your life will turn out. No kidding.”

    Something I’ve always said was,”Soy alergica a la gordura.”

    Translation: I’m allergic to fatness.

    I don’t mean this solely on a superficial level, but also on the issue of health, both physical and mental. Fat people experience higher rates of depression, anxiety, etc. not to mention greater risks of diabetes, high cholesterol, heart problems, and a shorter life span. They are doing a huge disservice to themselves in not remedying their condition. ( Though you already knew that).

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  458. Lucifer tells us in the same posts that:
    1. Good whores do not watch the clock
    2. He pays them by the hour
    We are in the presence of a story breaking down under the weight of its own bullshit.

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  459. Read today’s entries with detached amusement.

    You don’t even need to go as far as Roissy indicates. As I drop “bad boy” indicators on her, eventually she gets around to copping a feel of my muscles. Invariably she asks directly or indirectly how strong I am. My typical reply “Strong enough to have broken or destroyed a couple guys in fights.” and then I don’t elaborate and change the subject. Using terms like “broken” as opposed to “beat up”, let’s her mind fill in details.

    Works like a charm in general, and the more submissive the girl the more it works.

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  460. Clock watching = when a women cannot act and looks at the clock or watch too often.

    Professional escorts know that most business comes from repeat customers and recomendations. They know that a 15-20 minutes either way is no big deal.

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  461. I pay 200-300/hr.

    I do not pay for trips, dinners, drinks, vacations, houses, cars, kids or alimonies.

    and I decide who I want to fuck and when..

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  462. And I do not take BS or drama.

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  463. and I choose based on looks and reviews.

    can any of you honestly say that.

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  464. I have a feeling that the concept of “I choose what I want and get it” is a bit alien to many of you.

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  465. isn’t this trying way too hard??

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  466. Mandy, I’m not going to argue with the sheeple. It’s a waste of time, and the idea that something like this would boost my ego sickens me. I could not stave off my ballcutting impulses while engaging them, and we all know what happens when I tell too much truth here.

    Suffice to say, be rational. A rich man can afford whatever he wants in paid company.

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  467. Ghost of Nicole

    If you could find a better way to re-write your mini-rant, we will not be left without any alternative to believing your are hopelessly prone to act out your “ball-cutting impulses”
    Some of us respond to that kind of psychodrama with a slow move to undo the safties on the assault rifles that all true Americans in keep easy reach.

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  468. Maybe its me, but I really don’t have any problem whatsoever w/how Lucifer conducts his life. So long as the Women in question are of legal age and give themselves of their own free will, I’m completely cool with whatever arrangement they choose to come up with. Why it is that some choose to go at him so hard about his penchant for purchasing sex is beyond me, since he is hardly alone in harboring the views about Women he does, nor does he make the first Man in recorded history that actually prefers a business style arrangement to his sexual life. I think we should just pull the trigger and legalize prostitution/escorting, fullstop, and be done with it, and those on either side who choose that route can do so safely and with some degree of dignity.

    Personally, the idea of purchasing sex in such a manner is repugnant; but I don’t think I should allow my own personal views to dictate policy, or to putdown others who have a differing way of viewing or approaching the world.

    Let Lucifer be. It may be the only path to happiness in this world he may ever have.

    O

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  469. …And one other thing.

    Why is there so much hatred towards Women here? I mean, damn fellas, it is what it is. Newsflash: Women are human beings too-flawed, feet of clay, prone to making mistakes, lapses of judgment, doing dumb ish, just like Men are. They’re attracted to sensible and irrational stuff, just like we are. Why there’s so much sheer vitriol spewed in the direction of Women in general and certain Women in particular here is beyond me.

    Really fellas, in a word: Grow Up. A Man lives Life, on its own terms. Much of that Life will NOT be fair. Get used to it.

    You now have access, for free I might add, to information and skills most Men are literally paying thru the nose to possess. Show some gratitude, some grace, and some self respect.

    And stop hatin’ on one half of the Human Race. It does not make us Men look good.

    Or nice.

    The Obsidian

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  470. O

    Why it is that some choose to go at him so hard about his penchant for purchasing sex is beyond me

    I must have missed that. Did someone disparage him for purchasing sex?

    I find his arguments that it’s a superior arrangement ludicrous and sociopathic.

    Paying for sex is fine, as far as that goes. I’ve done it and will likely do it again.

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  471. I don’t know if paying for sex is morally wrong or not. I’ve never paid for it. But the very few times I’ve been to strip clubs I’m totally not into it and somewhat disturbed by the way the women act. The other times were when I was in Thailand on business and there were presumed whores setup by the other side of the deal that I had to reject. I felt bad for the whores because they probably didn’t get paid since I publicly rejected them in front of whom I presume paid them.

    There is nothing that can simulate the “dance” of eye contact, smiling, the flirting in building the attraction and mood for me. I just don’t see how that could ever be genuinely there with a “hired” woman or with significant deception in the mating game. Wouldn’t it feel empty? It just like masturbating with someone elses vagina!

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  472. People on a blog about ‘game’ are talking about morality.. my irony meter requires a reset.

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  473. JerrDogg,

    Newsflash.. You are always masturbating with someones vagina.

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  474. xsplat,

    but you are only a delusional canuck

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  475. Lucifer on a blog about game is talking about never using it and instead simply paying.

    My irony meter is pointing to the stupidity meter.

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  476. xsplat,

    do you think people see canucks as anything other than delusional liars?

    I for one, just see paying for sex as the easier option for me.

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  477. Lucifer,
    W/all due respect I don’t think Game and “morality” are necessarily mutally exclusive. Game itself is only a tool, or perhaps better put, a toolbox full of tools, that are geared toward seducing a Woman. Period.

    Now-whether one chooses to use Game for good or ill, that’s another question, hence the “morality” part of the equation. I personally don’t see any problem with the idea of being a principled playa or lover. I know I am such a person, Lucifer. There are things about Game that I know for a fact works, and could get me much more sex if that was what I wanted, and had the opportunities to take advantage of the situation.

    I declined. Not because I wasn’t up to the job, but because I don’t want to have a Woman that way. No, I’m not a saint and I struggle w/day to day problems big and small just like everyone else. But when its all said and done I believe that I will have to account for what I’ve done, and what has gone down on my watch-and I don’t want it said that I was willing to do or, say anything, or fuck over anyone, just to get my dick wet. That ain’t me, it aint ever been me, and I aint gonna start being like that now.

    Like I said, Game gives the average Man, choices. He can now choose as to whether he wants to sexually escalate a relationship w/a Woman, or not. That, is power, my brother. And one that I am forever mindful of.

    O

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  478. Obsidian,

    I have no delusions about morality.. but many people have a belief in their own morality irrespective of their actions.

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  479. Lucifer, no one here has mentioned morality, or whether paying for hookers is a bad thing.

    I doubt anyone cares that you do that.

    Is it the best option for you? Probably, seeing as you are emotionally dead. Go for it.

    You portray it as universally better, which is truly and deeply stupid.

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  480. xsplat,

    In today’s western society, for the vast majority of men, buying sex is cheaper than dating in the long run… that is all.

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  481. Oh, and lest you were confused, I called you a sociopath. I never implied you were immoral.

    You may be unfamiliar with what makes a sociopath. Look it up and wikipedia and see if it sounds like you.

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  482. Lucifer “for the vast majority of men, buying sex is cheaper than dating in the long run… ”

    Ya. Because, dullard, the vast majority of men marry for sex and don’t run game.

    Or did that not occur to you?

    God you are dense.

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  483. L,
    > Newsflash.. You are always masturbating with
    > someones vagina.

    What do you think about when you are doing a whore?

    I personally have trouble making making my dog trigger when things physically moved too fast and shallow. I end up thinking about some other chick that I think I could love and close my eyes and think about her. Perhaps it would be the same with a whore for me… but maybe I wouldn’t even sport wood. I doubt any strippers could make me pop a woody unless I met them in some other scenario.

    I’ve literally faked an orgasm with some women (while wearing a condom) just cause I felt it rude to not fuck them but I just couldn’t get into them enough for me to get off.

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  484. Jerr, Lucifer can not comprehend, because of his retarded imagination, that there are humans who prefer emotional intimacy during sex.

    He doesn’t have emotions, and doesn’t and can’t feel love.

    He thinks we’re weird for preferring it. He thinks we’re silly.

    I think he’s quite obviously a very dull sociopath.

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  485. Lucifer I kind of liked it better when you where just the devil. Now your getting all human and shit. Really bad form lol
    Yea if your afraid to kill a bitch fucking hookers is the way to go in states to not get fucked up in life. Look at the frame though does any of this shit matter life, talking, whatever?
    Except for how much pain is inflicted. So yea hopefully west gets incinerated and doesn’t get to run everyones shit.
    Of course not lol So yea thanks for playing the game and trying to make it interesting anyway. Maybe your hooker thing is getting old. Everything in life almost does. Might want to try paying the bitches by the week to change it up.

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  486. JerrDogg,

    I could not tell the difference between fucking a professional escort and any girl I dated. The escorts were more fun though..

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  487. xsplat,

    I have no delusions about what I am.. but you do.

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  488. Gunslingergregi,

    My simple equation..

    How much to pay an escort ot buy sex per month.. versus how much to date/ pickup etc..

    Look, I am just saying that paying for sex is easier for me.

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  489. Fanfuckingtastic! Just your becoming less evil.
    Hey you want to work on that india taking over world crap. Of course I will be doing from the point of view of china taking over world. A lot of research needs done to learn what needs to be exterminated in the west first to come up with a viable plan for the first complete extermination of 4/7’s of the worlds population.

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  490. Chic noir
    At 5:49 you mentioned that you would have hit the bricks running if some guy showed you his weapons collection.

    A girl I knew said something similar when I told her that I collect Japanese swords. She asked if that was why all the girls ran away from me. I smiled and said that they didn’t run they just walked faster. Several shit tests later she told me that I had a really dark sense of humor and that whatever I was on, she wanted some. She, like many women I have known, expressed fear, but displayed attraction.

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  491. The mere fact that this works demonstrates to me how far down American society has declined. Masculinity has been stripped from men to the extent that women are seeking increasingly extreme examples of “masculine traits”. A more accurate term is how far American society has regressed, because searching thugs is something that based off primal instincts.

    The feminist/statist movement in the United States can be thanked for this sorry state of affairs. They have advocated for women to have the sexual freedom to act accordingly to said primal instincts, removing restraints so that we can be free to be slaves to our nature rather than harnessing it towards progress.

    Before patriarchal institutions were implemented, society was a matriarchy. Matriarchies have never created progressive or advanced civilizations. They kept us in the caves and in mud huts where thugs ruled. And now, women are free to get in touch with that without any form of self-restraint.

    The *wide-spread* success of this Shady Game should be a disturbing death bell to those who are reading. No matter. While society here declines and crumbles, I am plotting my escape and doing what I can to ensure my family is educated, financially protected and in possession of an exit strategy.

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  492. in catherine i have found a rare woman i can admire–i find your views intriguing, and i would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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  493. ””””””””’Catherine
    The mere fact that this works demonstrates to me how far down American society has declined. Masculinity has been stripped from men to the extent that women are seeking increasingly extreme examples of “masculine traits”. A more accurate term is how far American society has regressed, because searching thugs is something that based off primal instincts.
    The feminist/statist movement in the United States can be thanked for this sorry state of affairs. They have advocated for women to have the sexual freedom to act accordingly to said primal instincts, removing restraints so that we can be free to be slaves to our nature rather than harnessing it towards progress. ””””””””””””

    Woman should be free. They are not being given the freedom to go with their primal instincts. They are given privelage to do whatever the fuck they want. They did not earn the freedom themsleves therefore they cannot understand it. They view having the full backing of armed police and being treated better than everyone else, the ability to kill their baby and if they choose to have it as a birthright. If you took away all the extra layers of laws that protect them they would actually be going with their primal intincts. They would actually be real woman not the fake approximation of “empowered” woman we have today. Yet not empowered through any power of their own but because a man employed by the gov will back them up. Woman already had the power of their pussy all through history. Now the balance has tilted completely out of control. So unless a man is willing to be a thug and not give a fuck about killing a bitch then he gets fucked over by the system.

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  494. @dana, catherine – how do you know catherine has a newletter? what jind? also, agree – catherine, nice post & welcome (if you have not already been around a while and i did not notice…)

    also @dana – what does your avatar say under the eagle …? something abotu “faggots”, which i expect will be derogatory.

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  495. (kind)

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  496. lol maurice the newsletter line is a quip from the simpsons.

    the gravatar came out fuzzy, too small–it’s this

    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=85288907&colorNo=1&pr=F

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  497. maurice i play scrabble and yahoo literati online and hassle a bunch of single moms and recipe sharing beta pukes in the literati chatroom–i’m always telling them that i think its a little gay if a man can even read–then i saw that t-shirt and made it my profile pic there.

    xsplat–meant it and meant to be funny 🙂

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  498. Catherine has been posting well just not so sure on this one. Guys prob thugging it up like in my case when I saw my dad bent over. I am like thought to self. How do I not get bent over. Answer don’t be a pussy. How do I become free?
    Answer have money to live.

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  499. Dad basically asked me why the fuck he got fucked over so bad when he sees other guys not (probably also saw me). That shit had to of hurt. I mean he made it through alive but shit. I didn’t have the heart to tell him it was because he was a catholic man trying to live his faith and be a good guy. Yea sad really. Mom thought she could fuck him over so bad because he would not retaliate. He would not beat the shit out of her. He would not tie the bitch up and poke her with cigerette butts till the burns covered 90 percent of her body and she died from the pain because she fucked with him.

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  500. When woman no longer believe in god and have no fear of any consequence in the after life. The only thing they will respect is consequences on this earth. If there is no consequence to anything they do then yea they will do anything. That is the difference between before and now. God is dead to most.

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  501. Rum says, “If you could find a better way to re-write your mini-rant, we will not be left without any alternative to believing your are hopelessly prone to act out your ‘ball-cutting impulses'”

    Excuse me. You seem to be mistaking me for someone who intends to emasculate males who regurgitate Hollywoodian mythology.

    I assure you that it is not intentional. It is instinctive.

    “Some of us respond to that kind of psychodrama with a slow move to undo the safties on the assault rifles that all true Americans in keep easy reach.”

    Yes, well, that is instinctive as well, and has more to do with being a drone who feels the hivemind is being threatened than being incidentally American by nationality.

    I don’t fault you for it. In fact, someday I may need people just like you to help me save you from the shepherds who’ve convinced you to avoid perfectly good pussy, and chase and “game” women who either hate you, or who you can’t even muster enough testosterone to want to commit to or protect.

    Oops…I’m doing it. I’ll stop now.

    …but you see what I mean. My battle is not with you.

    Now, if you don’t mind, I’ve got to go assist people who are actually of some use in my mission, in generating some hype around this French pudique trend.

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  502. Gunslinger says, “Woman should be free. They are not being given the freedom to go with their primal instincts. They are given privelage to do whatever the fuck they want. They did not earn the freedom themsleves therefore they cannot understand it. They view having the full backing of armed police and being treated better than everyone else, the ability to kill their baby and if they choose to have it as a birthright. If you took away all the extra layers of laws that protect them they would actually be going with their primal intincts. They would actually be real woman not the fake approximation of “empowered” woman we have today. Yet not empowered through any power of their own but because a man employed by the gov will back them up. Woman already had the power of their pussy all through history. Now the balance has tilted completely out of control. So unless a man is willing to be a thug and not give a fuck about killing a bitch then he gets fucked over by the system.”

    I want to have this written in calligraphy with a zen painting of a samurai couple, and framed.

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  503. A little disturbed by all the anti-fat women thing going on here.

    Ghost of Nicole has a point, men of all ages do enjoy having sex with an older, 40s woman, particularly because these women have a better idea of what they’re doing, know how to treat you, etc. And the issue of her being “somewhat chubby?” There is an entire market of men out there, of all ages, who like women who are attracted to and want sex with someone of a double-digit dress size. Curvaceous, with something to grab on, in the right places. My male friends let me know they would love to have sex with an older, sexy woman.

    Being overweight is bad for your health, and there are too many overweight people in this country. And unfortunately, it’s worst for women socially. I agree that people need to aim to be healthy – but the aim is not “thin” or “skinny.”

    Nothing wrong with not fitting the size 6 and below model. Some of the most famous ingenues historically and of present do not fit model-thin standards.

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  504. I agree Nicole. Gunslinger the Wise is back. I think he is the reincarnation of Mr. Kurtz.

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  505. Nicole,
    Just wanted you to know that I did read your response to my last post to you; I haven’t responded before now because I was fairly speechless. Fwiw, I do hope you find what you’re looking for.

    Brown Sugah recently told me that I had “done the impossible-I had won her heart”. Given your recent comments from your own life of late, this is something I will be giving a great deal more thought than before.

    Thank you.

    O

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  506. on August 2, 2009 at 11:03 am Cannon's Canon

    WWE game is in the building.

    Obsidian :: The Rock
    GNPs are for Apes :: Triple H

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  507. The problem I have w/the “anti-fat women” folk, of which Roissy himself is one, is that there’s nothing good that comes of all the vitriol. Granted now, I don’t deny his or anyone else’s *right* to give voice to said vitriol-just saying that it doesn’t accomplish anything at the end of the day. You don’t find fat women attractive. Ok-and…?

    I just don’t see the point of constantly dumping on people whom by your own admission you want nothing to do with. I could see if it was making an impact on the Fattening of America, but to date, it hasn’t, if anything both Men and Women in America are getting bigger by the hour, not smaller. So, what’s the point?

    It seems a much better, more efficient use of our energy as Men, to simply focus on that which we DO want, instead of spending so much time spewing on that which we don’t. Nor do I find it particularly evolved, mature or enlightened, to attempt to make fun or or clown that which others do find attractive. Different strokes for different folks, Viva La Difference, Jack Spratt could eat no fat, and all that.

    I really do hope that we Men here could spend just a weebit more time discussing how we can make *ourselves* better people, instead of taking potshots at easier targets outside of ourselves. Maybe then we’d get the Women we claim to be searching for.

    Just some thoughts.

    The Obsidian

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  508. Regular Game is not immoral. The version where one makes up fantastical lies just to bed a woman: I agree with Obsidian that a woman obtained that way probably isn’t worth it.

    But the regular Game, using aloofness, negs, DHV, etc., is merely playing to the sexual triggers of women. It’s pushing her buttons and getting through her shit tests and the like. Game seems to be most helpful in the initial attraction phase. After that, any kind of relationship should not just be a series of DHV’s and negs. It should be rooted in your actual personality. Though some of the basics of Game (not being a pansy and yielding to her every request) still hold.

    This recent post is relevant to the content of this site:

    Fundamental Basis of What is Cool

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  509. obs,

    i could be wrong–but i think one of the objections middle class and up white males have to the observed black penchant for overweight white females is its effect in reinforcing the female driven notion that its ok to be fat. this in turn fattens up the pool of women THOSE men want–leaving the average white nonplayer a much fatter set of choices who also lack other good wifely instincts, like self control and sexual continence.

    the norming of female lack of self control in diet goes hand in hand with female lack of self control in sexual selection and fidelity. this leads in turn to woman losing any filter over their mouths, and saying and ball busting shrewish thing that springs to mind without regard to what its doing to a man’s adrenalin level.

    basically women now believe they should follow their passions and appetites without regard to the consequences while they have simultaneously imposed heavy criminal sanction on any male who similarly follows HIS passions and appetites

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  510. men of all ages do enjoy having sex with an older, 40s woman, particularly because these women have a better idea of what they’re doing,

    The best thing Roissy´s ever written in this blog was his description of sex with old women, in the post about black men and white women. He said that men do not have sex with her, they masturbate inside her.

    I laughed for a week. Men do not have sex with women over 40, they masturbate inside them because it is anatomically more fitting than using your hands

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  511. Ghost of Nicole
    I do appreciate your concern that I might be missing out
    on “perfectly good pussy”. I have been deeply concerned with that myself since I was about 12.
    Thing is, there is no cliche older and truer around these parts than if you let a woman pick a girl-friend for you, you will not like the result. For having sex with, that is. Maybe she would have a pretty smile.
    There is a time and a place for protecting women and/or accepting them for who they are.. Has it ever entered your mind that these are things that must be EARNED?
    Or that they must be earned from the same men who would extend these things?
    One good reason for a woman to settle early is that a young pretty woman can earn a guys loyalty a lot quicker and more deeply than an older version of the same woman.

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  512. Gun

    He would not tie the bitch up and poke her with cigerette butts till the burns covered 90 percent of her body and she died from the pain because she fucked with him.

    I see your point. It’s best if your leverage is obvious, before anyone even tries to bargain with you.

    I also like to have options and never become cornered. I like to be able to leave any deal on the table. Renegotiate at any time.

    Options.

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  513. now people started fighting against the opression of fat women. it is because those folks never had the pleasure of sitting beside those manatees in an airplane. Now THAT is opression

    fat women are a crime against humanity.

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  514. @dana-

    women now believe they should follow their passions and appetites without regard to the consequences while they have simultaneously imposed heavy criminal sanction on any male who similarly follows HIS passions and appetites

    … another awesome pearl of wisdom from you.

    i’m surprised i missed the simpsons reference, because i used to be a total geek about them, but i haven’t really watched the show much in recent years. not that it’s not funny , it’s just … old hat by now.

    and yeah, the tee/gravatar is funny. i might have to order one.

    @nicole/gunny- agree, nice quote. gunny is scattered a lot all over the place, but when he hits the mark, it’s awesome.

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  515. Dana is right. Falure to shame fatties is failure to keep women from exercising self-control in other areas.

    Fatties are an obscenity. Especially the raw-rubbed rashes under their tits and between their thighs.

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  516. @ gig

    What of fat men? They disgust me too. There is nothing masculine about letting oneself go and looking and feeling like shit.

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  517. Rum

    One good reason for a woman to settle early is that a young pretty woman can earn a guys loyalty a lot quicker and more deeply than an older version of the same woman.

    I’m told that women initiate divorce usually. So your logic would hold, that a woman who settles and keeps settled would be long term living with a better man than she could later attract.

    But for me, no woman could keep me for more than a few years, unless she allowed my polyamory. And travel. And maybe more than that.

    The western notion of long term monogamy must be over my head. I don’t get it. Apparently a lot of guys want that.

    From what I hear.

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  518. the whiskey gang, or the “end of the world” crowd, should get a life

    modern society can hold on forever, because very few people are necessary to make it work. XXIst century financial capitalism is productive enough to function even with huge disfunctional NAMs, Sex-and-the-city single women, out-of-wedlock births and so on

    but all the countries who cretaed social security entitlement programs will face a California-like (the Golden State still sets the pace of World History) fiscal collapse, which from my point of view is good. I couldn´t care less if old/poor people unrelated to my DNA die on the streets

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  519. Osidian
    It is not my intention to bash on fatter people directly. However, if I were to give advice to a young person, especially a 17 year old girl,(the Mandy persona) I would straight out tell them that obesity is a terrible handicap in just about every arena that matters.
    I mean, in the world that I know best. The health issues are pretty bad. Overweight is the great mobility destroyer.
    Diabetes follows belly fat and diabetes wrecks every blood vessel in your body.
    These are some guys in my world who honestly prefer chunkier women. But they are rare and they are so super-anbundantly supplied with choices in that field that any given fat girl is going to have to wait in line for a long time for a high quality turn.
    It is much easier to stay in shape than to find exceptions to the rule that being fat is a handicap.

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  520. fat men are Srebrenica, fat women are Treblinka

    they are both crimes against humanity, but on a fdifferent scale

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  521. gunny is scattered a lot all over the place, but when he hits the mark, it’s awesome.

    That was a gem. And to think I usually just skip right over his posts. What can I say, I like grammar.

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  522. PA

    Fatties are an obscenity. Especially the raw-rubbed rashes under their tits and between their thighs.

    A lack of will and drive that makes even a common man sick.

    The DA principle, made many folds.

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  523. many folds

    Indeed.

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  524. Dana,
    Yes, Apeman has attempted to float such notions before. Please allow me to address all that.

    First, its been my experience that a Woman’s dress size has little if any bearing on her mouth size, so to speak; while I do personally favor more plus-size ladies, I am intensely turned off by Women with large mouths. NONE of the ladies I’ve chosen to keep company acts in this way, in the least. ALL of them come from respectable backgrounds. On the other hand I have personally witnessed thinner, and from more humble background Women who would make even the most grizzled sailor blush by her four letter rhetorical stylings.

    Moreover I submit, that if indeed Black Men are able to have that much influence over White Men AND Women, then White Men are truly in trouble. And while the idea is somewhat flattering to contemplate, I think the easier answer is simply that its easier to get fat in our time, no matter who you are. White Women are not immune to this. And as per usual, White Men need to stop scapegoating others because of their inability and/or refusal to deal w/their problems.

    As for the idea that plus-size Women lack discipline, stamina, etc, I can personally say that it is at best greatly exaggerated. In fact I have found quite a few lethargic thinner Women in my time, and the equivalent to Sexual Olympians among the plus-size set. We really should be a bit more judicious in our stereotyping here.

    O

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  525. gig,

    I don’t think you get the real problem.

    We might require only a few producers, but we require many consumers. The real question is how are we going to pull that off without disrupting things beyond a no-return point.

    All dynamic evolving systems have no true equilibrium or direction. Think about that..

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  526. Rum

    Osidian
    It is not my intention to bash…

    One long, well turned phrase.

    As usual.

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  527. Dreamer, I used to be disturbed by anti fat freakouts until I understood why they happen. Now I kind of view the normal expressions of it as a kind of sorting or ranking tactic.

    It’s kind of funny though, that this round of knee jerking was triggered by the word “chubby” in the context of prostitution.

    The woman I was speaking of is indeed chubby by normal industry standards. Prostitutes are generally much thinner than the general population. The woman in question is maybe pushing a size 12, which is the same size as a genuinely hot friend whose photo I linked to here before.

    For a prostitute that’s bordering obese. I described her as chubby since I’m talking to a group of men who wouldn’t consider that obese, but have dissed women who were smaller for being too fat to be shaggable.

    I personally don’t tow the mainstream party line about what “overweight” is. I think it depends on a person’s overall fitness and ancestry. For some, extra fat is beneficial to their health, while others cannot afford much extra bodyfat without suffering. I’ve seen this in the difference between me and Shai.

    Still, I can’t help thinking that the whole social issue around it is similar to the pussification thing. The people most likely to be harmfully fat are the ones overly invested in the system to the point that they can’t even listen to their own bodies getting sick from being off feed. A person who works at staying thin under the current cloud of nutritional misinformation, at least doesn’t want to *look* off feed, even if they are.

    As Roissy and others before him have said, no matter what’s politically correct or trendy, beauty is what it is. A person who is eating right will look healthy and likely be more attractive as a result. Failing all else, the people who cling to at least one sign of health or fitness are showing some awareness of reality.

    This doesn’t mean that all fat people are unsalvageable sheeple. It does however mean that in the same way that not all polite men are total wusses.

    People get bogged down in the details, and often forget that there is more to fitness and beauty than BMI. That is to be expected. Ethnicity used to be a bigger issue in the mainstream. People always have to have some way to rank each other.

    So where I used to be alarmed by the outcry, now I just kind of take the hysterical reactions about fat in women on men’s sites the same as I do about jerkitude in men on women’s sites. People freak out online, but offline everybody’s just trying to get by and survive as best as they know how.

    …and if people really knew what was best for them, they wouldn’t pay people to tell them what to do. :: shrug ::

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  528. gig,

    You cannot think past an ‘ape view’ of the world, but neither can the vast majority of humans.

    It seems that you think we can play in the new system with old rules and constraints. However the old rules and constraints do not work in a system that is different from those that they were created in.. we have different constraints and possibilities than even 10 years ago.

    Therein lies your problem..

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  529. @ Lucifer

    once a California-like crisis hits, and it will hit every single place that followed the same path of welfare for disfunciotnal minorities and pensions for lazy people, the parasitic consumers will be excluded from the party.

    it will be hell on Earth for them, but for me it will mean lower taxes for the next 50 years

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  530. Dreamer

    Ghost of Nicole has a point, men of all ages do enjoy having sex with an older, 40s woman, particularly because these women have a better idea of what they’re doing, know how to treat you, etc

    Dreamer, how many women and of what ages have you slept with?

    What gives you the impression that older women fuck better?

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  531. To add to list of crimes against humanity alongside of fat:

    Fake tits
    Tatoos
    Bald-shaved pussies
    Piercings not on the lower earlobe

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  532. O

    The problem I have w/the “anti-fat women” folk, of which Roissy himself is one, is that there’s nothing good that comes of all the vitriol. Granted now, I don’t deny his or anyone else’s *right* to give voice to said vitriol-just saying that it doesn’t accomplish anything at the end of the day. You don’t find fat women attractive. Ok-and…?

    No one cares if some people find fat people better than skinny people. Truly. No one cares. At all. No one cares if some men prefer prostitutes. That’s eqally boring – not even worth bringing up. We get it. It’s obvious.

    It’s delusional to think that all desires are equal fetishes. MOST people are unattracted to fat.

    Is that so difficult to understand or agree about?

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  533. gig,

    but the vast majority of whites also have useless jobs.. the current california crisis comes from paying too much to too many whites.. you seem to miss that.

    cognitive dissonance does that to people.

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  534. Roissy’s according to O “Where pretty lies may persist, because it’s all good.”

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  535. Bald-shaved pussies

    By spreading the culture of shaving pussies throughout the World, Brazil has done more for Human Happiness than China and India in the last 500 years

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  536. 1std v

    It should be rooted in your actual personality.

    Are you aware that this issue has been discussed hundreds of times on this blog?

    Are you aware of the various sides of the argument?

    Or does that even mean anything, to you? Maybe you are just expressing your gut feeling? And that’s all you came here for?

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  537. whites with useless jobs are mostly women. so the singularity will put women where they belong and are happy in, at home

    the singularity will be good Lucifer.

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  538. on August 2, 2009 at 12:10 pm Cannon's Canon

    gig:

    there is no crisis in california. it is simply a matter of getting the warehouses restocked.

    HATE HATE HATE

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  539. On the Natural Adornment of the Pussy:

    A whispy bush that naturally self-limits its own sprawl and thatchiness >

    A bush in the general shape of an upside-down triangle that is trimmed at the bikini line and excess tuft is removed by scissors >

    Wide stripe >

    Glorious Natural Pelt >

    Narrow stripe >

    Pencil-thin landing strip that’s out of harmony with a woman’s local topography >

    Bald pussy >

    Wierd/unusual shapes of bush

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  540. And the award for the best two word phrase goes to Dana, for “sexual continence”.

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  541. on August 2, 2009 at 12:18 pm Cannon's Canon

    good christ, PA! and what of the hair that also covers a woman’s buttocks, for the latent bestial fetishists???

    EWWWWWWW!!!

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  542. I said nothing of a woman’s ass-hair. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that on a real-life woman.

    Goes without saying that the more hirsute women need to get rid of that stuff, along with the normal shaving of legs and armpits.

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  543. OneSTDV,
    Your post on the definition of “cool” is quite interesting; according to it, I wouldn’t be cool either, since I deliberate eschew quite a number of things on your list. For example, I don’t drink, nor do I make it a point to rail against authority figures just for the heck of it, and have always seen anti-intellectualism as “uncool”.

    Moreover, would most people consider Malcolm X as “uncool”? I don’t think so. What about Louis Armstrong-the Man who is credited w/having coined the phrase himself-would he be “uncool”? I highly doubt it.

    To me, when I hear the word “cool” I think of jazz musicians, like Armstrong, and most notably, of the Bee Bop era-Dizzy Gillespie, Bird, Sonny Stitt, and of course, Miles Davis, who’s own stamp on “Cool” is now legendary. “Cool” to me is a state of mind, kind of like a Zen thing-you’re in the zone, but you’re also seperate from it. Nothing phases you, and you go w/the flow, but at the same time you’re directing things. “Cool” is never forced or contrived; “cool” is always calm under pressure and not hurried or rushed. I find it both interesting and ironic, that you of all people would not only agree w/me, post about what “cool” is, but also I note the irony that like Hip Hop, the biggest purveyors of jazz was been and continues to be, largely White Males. A creation, invented by Brothas.

    Gotta love Fate.

    O

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  544. gig
    By spreading the culture of shaving pussies throughout the World, Brazil has done more for Human Happiness than China and India in the last 500 years

    Nah, man. That honour belongs to Islam. Muslim men and women take everything off down there as part of ritual cleanliness.

    And technically, Brazilians are known for waxing (yay) not shaving (booo).

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  545. Maybe ass hair appears on women over a certain age.

    Heh. I’m almost 40, and my love portfolio consists 100% of women under 30 years old.

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  546. O, riffin “To me, when I hear the word “cool” I think of…”

    I think of teenagers and in crowds and out crowds.

    I’m more into trans-cool. Beyond even meta-cool. A place where George Gershwin cool.

    Not about in-group and out group. Not about meta-narrative.

    About panache.

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  547. Obsidian, as the good book says, let the poor man have his wine.

    If they miss out on a good woman because they’re stupid, then that’s the beauty of natural selection. Stupid guys don’t deserve good women. They wouldn’t know what to do with one.

    Better to help them get the kind of woman they want, or at least what will do for the night.

    …in which case, Lucifer’s advice is very sound. Bennigan’s sex is good enough for him, and that can be easily purchased without the drama or unforseen expense. To be real, that class of hoe is not seeing 10+ guys per day like the McDonalds level. The $300 range is seeing maybe a couple of guys per weekend, which is about the same speed as your local college slut.

    Unlike the local college slut however, she is not entertaining illusions that it might lead to something, and not doing it to get attention. I’d say that prostitution is what casual sex should be. If only men weren’t so easy, then more of them could profit from it too. As it is, some few do.

    If a guy likes the thrill of the chase though, then it serves him well to limit his pool to those who he’s legitimately interested in and suited for. For the majority, that is whatever their culture tells them “hot” is.

    It is kind of necessary for them to view others with disdain in order for the programming to hold. They can’t just be indifferent because that’s not how the herd works. They have to be hostile to “outsiders” and to lower ranking members in for themselves, and to keep others “in their place”.

    They are thwarted when someone does not agree with their ranking system, but there are few who will, so in the end it’s all good. Everybody stays in their respective position, and those not happy with that, with the requisite will, rise through the ranks until they are able to either subjugate, destroy, or enforce their new standards on their former bullies.

    Everything works out in the end.

    I’m really enjoying subjugation level. It warms my heart to see the looks in eyes of guys who used to look down on me as I…well…we won’t get into that.

    Alas, my dreams are bigger than this. I don’t want to be a mere agent in the matrix. I don’t think I’d be happy with just being a programmer of it either. We’ll see how I feel about it if I get there.

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  548. on August 2, 2009 at 12:34 pm Comment_Whatever

    People talk about this extreme act to ‘reign women in’ and that extreme act.

    Most women are utility maximumizers. That means if you all, and I’m looking at Whiskey, absolutely believe in supporting any and all women and giving them the ‘respect’ they have never earned, then why should they care what you think? You are on ‘their team’ already. They can use and abuse you as they see fit.

    Or maybe you do ‘judge women’… exactly as you are told to. You are a good little boy and think whatever society tells you to think about women. Like:

    “I shouldn’t date the younger girl because that’s bad”

    Bad for who? NOT YOU!

    “Slut’s are bad.”

    The slut characteristic is negative for a long-term relationship. It is however VERY VERY positive for keeping other women from jacking their pussy-price through the roof. The moral of this is BE NICE TO SLUTS. Slut behavior is bad for OTHER WOMEN, but NOT FOR MEN. Let the women deal with THEIR problem. Because, see, have they earned your respect? Then it seems to me that THEIR problem isn’t YOUR problem.

    Even if they tell you it is.

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  549. Dana,
    Fair enough-how about this-BAD BEHAVIOR is NOT something plus-sized Women have the lock on. I don’t think you or anyone else here would have to travel far to see that-quite a few “ballbusting shrews” can be found among White Women who’s dress size remains in the single digits. And for the record I’ve found the same among Black Women as well.

    And again, I think its an overreach to suggest that Black Men are indirectly responsible for White Women getting bigger, and that’s what you and Apeman are saying when you come right down to it. Again, if true, then White Men really are in trouble, because the tastes of another Man are more important to their Women and worse, they can’t do a damned thing about it. Talk about being impotent.

    In any event, try taking a step back and seeing the forrest instead of the pine needles every now and again, hmm? Pendatry has its limits.

    O

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  550. pendatry lol

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  551. No one here blames blacks for white women’s fatness except GNP/Apes and in is case I’m pretty sure that’s just part of his comic act.

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  552. The forrest, Dana. Remember?

    Lol

    O

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  553. obs i will try to say it again, i must still be expressing myself poorly.

    black culture and black preferences are overrepresented in the popular culture at large, as are black people in general.

    to say that a culture that overrepresents a minority’s physical preferences can exacerbate a previously existing condition in the culture is NOT to say it INDIRECTLY CAUSES it. that’s why the aiding and abetting analogy. if i hide a bank robber after the fact i cannot be said to have INDIRECTLY CAUSED the bank robbery. why isn’t that clear to you?

    at a certain point your sophistic straw man arguments cease to aid you rhetorically and make it appear you are not capable of reading for content.

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  554. on August 2, 2009 at 12:48 pm Cannon's Canon

    during my mid-teen years, i went to summer camp and was playing a little co-ed soccer. in the spirit of encouraging physical contact, i let myself get knocked over and laid on the ground, pretending the girl had incapacitated me.

    she stood over my head in faux-dominance. glancing up, i noticed a thick mat of fur underneath her umbro shorts.

    this ended my brief courtship, of course. the image remains emblazoned upon my psyche more than ten years later.

    ass hair (on a broad) is real, very real.

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  555. I want to create a fictional land called Pendatry Forrest, full of spritely illogical beings who argue entirely through logical fallacies

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  556. Nicole,
    Interesting points. I myself have never cared one whit what others think of what I find attractive, nor of whom I choose to spend my time and dime on or with. If I like a Woman because of the way she looks to me coupled w/her actions, then its a wrap, and others’ opinions be damned.

    Simple as that.

    O

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  557. Pendatry Forrest

    Is that near Greenbow, Alabama?

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  558. waxing is superior to shaving because it hurts. tenderly.

    @ cannon

    Denninger has been consistently right since early 2007. what´s the probability of him remaining as consistent as he is now for another year?

    unless he takes Obama´s position as the Second Coming, Denninger has lost his touch

    The guy is angry, his blog turned bitter. His hatred of Goldman Sachs clouds his vision.

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  559. Comment, understanding the nature of gossip

    Or maybe you do ‘judge women’… exactly as you are told to. You are a good little boy and think whatever society tells you to think about women. Like:

    “I shouldn’t date the younger girl because that’s bad”

    Bad for who? NOT YOU!

    “Slut’s are bad.”

    The slut characteristic is negative for a long-term relationship. It is however VERY VERY positive for keeping other women from jacking their pussy-price through the roof. The moral of this is BE NICE TO SLUTS. Slut behavior is bad for OTHER WOMEN, but NOT FOR MEN. Let the women deal with THEIR problem. Because, see, have they earned your respect? Then it seems to me that THEIR problem isn’t YOUR problem.

    Even if they tell you it is.

    I see you’ve unplugged from the matrix that women weave. Takes an adult male to do that. Too rare.

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  560. Dana

    that’s why the aiding and abetting analogy. if i hide a bank robber after the fact i cannot be said to have INDIRECTLY CAUSED the bank robbery. why isn’t that clear to you?

    I prefer to compliment sparingly and subtlely. So let me be more oblique, and pose a question. Do you find that precision and pointing out mistakes with flair sparks an enjoyable feeling of humor in you?

    Your sense of humor is most dry. Most. Almost invisible.

    Liking.

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  561. Dana,
    Easy now, your Ad Hom horns are beginning to show. You must now by now that I could not possibly care less how I appear to you or anyone else. I write what I write, and you either read it or not. Makes no nevermind to me.

    Now then, to the topic at hand.

    You are suggesting that Black Male preferences may have something to do w/the current trend in obesity among White Women. Am I right or wrong in this, Dana? If I am correct in understanding what you said, my response to that would be that its a bit of an overreach-other things, such as the perils of postmodern America, some of which Nicole has spoken to (cheap and easy availability of processed foods for example), seem to be far more of a plausible explanation as to why the average dress size in America is officially plus size-not that Black folk are “overrepresented” in American culture (I should note, btw, that America’s most famed Black Women presently, tend not to be plus sized: Michelle Obama, Beyonce, Tyra Banks, varied newscasters for CNN, etc et al. Even Oprah Winfrey has significantly slimmed down in recent years; Star Jones has had drastic weight reduction surgery). Interesting theory on its face, but try using Occam’s Razor instead?

    So-you were saying how bad behavior and being plus sized correlate?

    O

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  562. ””””””””””””Cannon’s Canon
    during my mid-teen years, i went to summer camp and was playing a little co-ed soccer. in the spirit of encouraging physical contact, i let myself get knocked over and laid on the ground, pretending the girl had incapacitated me.

    she stood over my head in faux-dominance. glancing up, i noticed a thick mat of fur underneath her umbro shorts.

    this ended my brief courtship, of course. the image remains emblazoned upon my psyche more than ten years later.

    ass hair (on a broad) is real, very real.””””””””

    Holy Christ man. Ok normally wouldn’t recomend counseling but yea maybe this time.

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  563. O

    You are suggesting that Black Male preferences may have something to do w/the current trend in obesity among White Women. Am I right or wrong in this, Dana?

    Many times when I’m having a conversation, I wish I was instead chatting or on a blog. So I could allow the person to read and re-read exactly what I just said.

    Why don’t you just scroll up, O?

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  564. Cannon’s Canon, was the soccer girl an unusually hirsute specimen for her age?

    Because when I occasionally replay memories in my mind from my own dalliances with girls in their mid-teens (myself having been the same age as those girls at teh time), I remember nothing by nature’s finest horticulture — no, God’s own masterpiese — in the subtle fineness of my then-paramours’ wispy fineness.

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  565. Besides, unless I saw a completely different show, “More To Love” features a very WHITE guy. And if I recall alrite, there were no Black female contestants-I believe they were all White.

    Please explain this, Dana? Anyone?

    O

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  566. “… I remember nothing but nature’s finest…”

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  567. Ya pa that shit was freakish. I wish now that cannon would have never revealed that. It is like when kthul first talked about that thing she did. Stuff that you could live your whole life and be better off not knowing.

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  568. Xsplat,
    If I am misunderstanding Dana’s remarks, please make them clear to me? I’m afraid I don’t do very well w/inferred or implied things. I prefer a much more in your face style.
    Thank you.

    O

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  569. @xsplat
    I can defend the attractiveness of women who do not fit the current ideal of thinness or age standards, simply based on observations of couples and talking to guys I’m close with, guys from different economic backgrounds and nationalities have expressed an interest in older women and women who are not “thin,” have seriously dated these women, have had sex with them, etc.

    Men do have sex with, date, and marry women who are above a size 12.

    There are even some who prefer these women, and you can prove that easily to yourself by simply going outside and looking around.

    Doesn’t take sleeping with a woman or anything to know this is true.

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  570. Yea xsplat might be cool in future to binder up your own comments and have them used in the family as the family bible he he he

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  571. Gunslinger, looks like you obliged Dana on your blog.

    Outstanding description of flight in your earlier blog entry. Was that your cross-Asia helo flight?

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  572. on August 2, 2009 at 1:29 pm Cannon's Canon

    gig

    “what´s the probability of him remaining as consistent as he is now for another year?”

    heads or tails is always only a 50/50 prop, even if tails has hit for three straight years.

    it’s not just denninger that spits the haterade. much of the “blogs” have the same tone. i value those opinions for the same reason i value roissy, roosh, etc regarding game: they are not actively trying to sell me their ideas. it seems to me that denninger is advertising his bitterness as part of his image, increasing his marketability. not that it can make a dent in volume long-term.

    denninger on cnbc was fun to watch. dennis kneale stooped to shouting “oh you short? how you make money? oh you short? how you make money?”

    it reminded me of cam’ron on bill o’reilly yelling “oh you mad! you mad! you mad!” although i am the co-chairman of cam’ron’s 2012 presidential campaign committee, o’reilly was, of course, correct on all counts that day.

    for the record, i have hated goldman sachs myself for a long long time. it’s still fine arbitrage for FAZ.

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  573. Men do have sex with, date, and marry women who are above a size 12.

    I’d prefer death by celibacy over such horror.

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  574. May present my wife with the translated audio version one day after this shit is over.

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  575. Those where the ones I was on the last couple days.

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  576. PA – A reader ought to be able to adjust for minor dyslexia, to the piont of nto mche eevn ntoicing it.

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  577. And the award for the most dreadful and dreary three word phrase goes to PA, for “death by celibacy”.

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  578. Yea man I tried to get caligraphy for ghost for old times sake but couldn’t find code for htmling it.

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  579. on August 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm Cannon's Canon

    PA,
    This girl’s arm-hair was lustrous, but her legs were sheared resolutely. There were no other clues my young mind could process.

    Thank you for the new vocab word, by the way.

    Also, are you subtly implying that I am remembering this scene because I subconsciously idealize it and will be drawn to it, a la ‘Mystic River’?

    If so, I assure you, it was more like the trauma of finding a dead body, a la ‘Stand by Me’.

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  580. lol PA – if all men adopted your attitude, then women overall would be healthier. still doesn’t account for the overweight men.

    alas, as long as there are a sizable # of men who accept plus-sized women, then there will always be female “fatties.”

    [editor: but there aren’t a sizeable number of men who accept fat fucks. that is the whole point of the existence of the sexual market. fat women are in low demand, and hence they are easier lays, because the supply of willing suitors is much lower than the supply of their rolling bubber. any NAAFA mixer will have 30 fat chicks for every loser fatty fucker.]

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  581. Dreamer, scroll up.

    Re-read.

    Yes, some do. Most don’t. Difficult concept? Insulting to out-groups?

    Stop being so communist. It’s not all equal.

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  582. Again, why the hate? I don’t hate on PA’s near pedophilic tastes in Women (A cup sized breasts, etc)-hey, its all good I say, and keep it movin’. Nicole’s on to something, and when you put it w/what Dreamer just said, it all makes sense. If you’re into your thing, and secure in that, there’s no need to even go there on anyone else.

    Hmm.

    O

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  583. The credit for “death by celibacy” goes to my old man.

    I was at a friend’s wedding to which my parents were also invited. One of my American buddies shows up with a date so fat, her circumference exceeded her height. In other words, it was easier to step over her than walk around her.

    Having had a couple of drinks — true to his 1950s/60s/70s Communism-hardened character — he looks at me with a wry, amused look and says “Wolałbym śmierć z celibatu.”

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  584. Dana, others have balked, but I’d like to directly counter your claim.

    I contend that the closer one is to the popular media template of beauty, the more likely she is to be ill behaved, but the less likely it will be that men and lower ranking females will notice.

    Rank has its privileges.

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  585. Yo Obsidian — in my world adult women know how to be petite and properly groomed. Save your criminal-implying bullshit like “near-pedo” for guys who dish shit your way, like GNP/Apes, not me, who is always polite and non-adhom toward you.

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  586. ””””””’Dreamer
    lol PA – if all men adopted your attitude, then women overall would be healthier. still doesn’t account for the overweight men.”””””

    No shit right a rich ugly fat guy can get laid.

    How the fuck does a rich ugly woman get laid?

    ””””””xsplat
    And the award for the most dreadful and dreary three word phrase goes to PA, for “death by celibacy”.”””””””

    Cosigned wtf. lol

    That could take a while though and be extremely painful. I think thats what really happened to my stomach when it felt like I had an alien tearing my guts out. May be attributed to going from 0 to 100 then back to 0 on sex.

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  587. i have named a brick retaining wall on my house “Obsidian” in honor of this argument.

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  588. Fuck that dude tired of listening about the b word.

    Shit is insane.

    Wtf is it ever gonna do for me?
    Nothing except sure give more incentive to be rich but that is about it.

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  589. @xsplat
    I was neither denying nor addressing your “some do, most don’t opinion” and please do not attach whole political ideologies (Communism) to my random feelings about attractiveness.

    My response was squarely regarding your implying I needed to sleep w/ a woman in order to know what men find attractive.

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  590. LOL. You’re slippin’ Dana. But not good enough for the gym.
    If you have a mind to actually deal w/my counter arguments, I’ll be here. Otherwise, you have a nice Sunday. 🙂

    O

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  591. Obsidian

    Again, why the hate?

    No hate from me, O. Only revulsion. Fat people revolt me, sexually. Uggggghhhhh.

    You know, like smelly old eggs? That kind of feeling.

    No hate though.

    And for me, I’m glad my fetishes are not popular. Micro small hyper sexual age ambivalent girls. Yummy yummy. Did they shave? A picture wouldn’t tell you! Ooops – naughty naughty!

    Or at least that attitude. Come on. It’s not so serious.

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  592. nicole, if you want to counter my claim it helps to understand it

    i did NOT say “fat women are more likely to be shrews”, i said a push for total loss of self control in women is helping to lead to out of control shrewish big mouths in women. some women lose control over their weight, others over their tongue, others over sexual choosiness and fidelity–some all three. the encouragement of out of control behavior in ANY area on the part of women has encouraged out of control behavior in OTHER arenas. fatness, slovenliness, cuntiness and general lack of character, not always all at the same time.

    to be fair, men are also being encouraged to be out of control in a lot of ways, like binge drinking, but not in the ways they would most likely enjoy, like punching whores in the face and raping them–since those lead to jail.

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  593. Dreamer

    @xsplat
    I was neither denying nor addressing your “some do, most don’t opinion” and please do not attach whole political ideologies (Communism) to my random feelings about attractiveness.

    My response was squarely regarding your implying I needed to sleep w/ a woman in order to know what men find attractive.

    I’m not sure if you want me to take you seriously or not. Logically or not. In case you do:

    I was being poetic in association with communism and the notion of sexual equality. I can explain that more if you like, but the reason i left it poetic was for you to make your own struggling associations.

    You professed knowledge about womens desires. How did you come across this knowledge? From experience? Books? Your gut? Your hopes? T.V.?

    Science trumps theory. In matters of womens desire for men, there is only one science – the empirical testing that men do with them.

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  594. Gunny asks, “How the fuck does a rich ugly woman get laid?”

    The same way poor ugly women get laid.

    Getting laid is not a problem for most females who are interested in sex. Unless she has one of those rare disabilities where a slight increase in blood pressure could kill her or something, she’ll find a dick.

    The problem is getting men within one’s social preference to commit.

    An ugly woman would make a bad whore because she lacks mass appeal. She would also make a bad mate for someone who is heavily invested in the opinions of others, again because of the lack of mass appeal.

    She would do best to basically operate within niches that are ugly girl friendly, which are few but do exist. The few that exist though, usually contain men with low to extremely low investment in the mainstream. So she will have to adjust her lifestyle and expectations accordingly, and dispense with any dreams of being validated through the same social channels as average and above average looking women.

    I did this in my teens because even though I wasn’t ugly, I was considered inherently less valuable than my more frail, White peers. I found my niches, and lucky me, worthy men willing to commit.

    People tend to focus a lot on women’s looks, but her personality is so much more important…not to the men around her, but to the woman herself. If you don’t have mainstream popular looks, you better have a very strong will. If you don’t, you’ll be miserable, and though the brooding thing might work well for men, it doesn’t work for women.

    You’ve got to be able to put your nose in the air and hold up a firm middle finger on one hand, and still be able to reach out to someone worth your strength on the other…and that is a very hard balance to keep.

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  595. @xsplat
    Take me seriously or not, that’s up to you 🙂
    Thanks for a somewhat interesting debate, though.

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  596. Nicole, you can be lucid sometimes. If you weren’t so usually wacked, I’d read your posts.

    What happened to you that you can’t relate with reality?

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  597. up to you 🙂

    The Thai mantra.

    Meaning, I have no responsibility. But read my mind and don’t cross me.

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  598. And the award for a onewordphrase: cuntliness

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  599. Cuntliness cuntliness cuntliness.

    cuntliness.

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  600. o be fair, men are also being encouraged to be out of control in a lot of ways, like binge drinking, but not in the ways they would most likely enjoy, like punching whores in the face and raping them–since those lead to jail.

    Actually, Jack the ripper is not a normal guy who lost his inhibitions. He’s just a sociopath with violent tendencies.

    Most sociopaths don’t have violent tendencies. So he’s an outlier of outliers.

    It’s not like our anger is under the surface and controlled. It’s that people are stupid and piss us off, and should stop that. After we tell them twice. And after we ignore them as long as possible. And after we move away from their sphere.

    And after that?

    Well,that’s the attitude most people have. Kill, yes, but not first or second option.

    Humans who are not sociopaths don’t want to kill.

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  601. Dana, your obstuse ways is now rivaled by your sidestepping abilities.

    Why address Nicole, when the bone of contention lie btw us? You have made a series of premises, I have countered them. Shall we dance?

    😉

    O

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  602. Dana, now I get what you’re saying. In that case, we generally agree, though applying different moral value to it.

    You have to forgive me since I’m used to so much hysteria around fat specifically that my suspicion/paranoia sometimes reads things between the lines, when with a rationally blunt person, this isn’t necessary.

    I understand now that for you, overfatness is just part of the big ball of self destructive overgrazing in many arenas of life, that is snowballing in the U.S.

    I don’t believe though, that it’s Black culture that is aiding the “it’s ok to be out of control” mentality so much as it is western co-opting of convenient aspects of a variety of non western cultures.

    It is okay for a Papua New Guinean woman in Papua New Guinea to run around in nothing but a string and some dots of body paint because she has an entire well established social system that will ensure that she does not become a hoe. The men in her culture are used to seeing naked women, and have an extreme comraderie that prevents their seducing each other’s wives and underaged daughters. In fact, in some of these cultures, sex with each other is preferable for casual sex purposes, and women are strictly for family building.

    A western social engineer can pick up on the naked women bit, and use this to say women in the west should be able to dress scantily without any negative social consequences…but they’ll neglect saying that in order for this to really happen, men would have to view women as strictly mothers and wives with no variation, and turn to each other for sex.

    …but then again, some things make me wonder about that.

    Anyway, about fat well…being fat means something completely different when the way one got that way is from being purposefully sequestered and fed an excess of natural food in order to increase one’s chances of producing viable offspring in a harsh environment.

    This is where the Black guys are coming from. When you don’t have access to the best technology and health care, you resort to the most effective means of ensuring fertility without them. If that goes on long enough, it’ll become a tradition, so Black and other men less than 300 years from city life, tend to traditionally favor a sturdy looking gal with enough extra bodyfat to do the job once a year without dying if she has to go a summer on nothing but a handfull of millet and a quarter cup of blood yogurt per day.

    This message isn’t convenient for the mainstream though. They like the coolness without the culture behind it.

    I hope this explains some of it. I could give another example with henna and tattoos. These things did not and still do not represent for the cultures they came from, what they do on your average American trendy.

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  603. Excellent rebutta to Dana, Nicole. You and are basically come at the same point-White folks need to stop scapegoatin’ and hatin’ on Darkies as to source of their problems. It aint. IT’S THEM.

    Thanks.

    O

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  604. “I don’t believe though, that it’s Black culture that is aiding the “it’s ok to be out of control” mentality so much as it is western co-opting of convenient aspects of a variety of non western cultures.”

    yes thank you for understanding what i’m trying to say. nothing is on purpose. the emphasis on black preferences merely added to the pot and was coopted BY women to justify their foolish choices. it added to what i called “the path of least resistance”. i am in no way BLAMING white obesity on black culture.

    obs, you haven’t demonstrated that you read what i typed, the way nicole just did, therefore there’s nothing to engage

    xsplat–ok, but i did just say punch in the face then rape–not kill. given the exponential growth in misogynistic http://www.shameonher.com humiliation and dominance porn i think i might be right.

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  605. White folks need to stop scapegoatin’ and hatin’ on Darkies as to source of their problems. It aint. IT’S THEM.

    Obsidian is one of those black guys you ALWAYS find in discussion situations: loud and only in it to hear himself talk.

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  606. Dana,
    Again, you’re sidestepping the issue. I understood your point quite well. The problem isn’t that, it’s your near obsession to tie anything negative to Black folk. You could have easily made your point w/o mentioning Black folk at all, but nooo, you had to go there. And I proved, and will continue to prove, just how foolish you make yourself sound.

    Because Nicole doesn’t seem to have the same kind of history we share, she may not be aware of your tendencies and proclivities. With that in mind then, please allow me to be blunt.

    You, Dana, like to think of yourself as someone who is smarter than the average bear…certainly moreso than the average bitch. You also like to entertain the notion that you are free of the foiables of female frailty.

    In truth however, you are neither, and often are more prone to said foiables than you realize or are able to admit. One of them is in sweating the small stuff, a classically feminine characteristic. Another is in making all things complex, when Occam’s Razor would suffice. But you do this because, like the vast majority of Women, you like to believe in your own shit.

    You have serious problems, missy. Problems that either your Man can’t or won’t solve. And so it falls to another to attempt to set straight.

    You can start, in the future Dana, to be a lot more direct, deliberate and concise in what the heck you’re trying to say. If you really want to think and talk like a Man, you need to understand that we tend to get right to the point, and not get to equivocating when called on our shit.

    My points in rebuttal to yours are easily found above. Like my points in rebuttal to Willard about the lack of darkskinned successful Black Men, etc, I will not be surprised, if you suddenly disappear.

    Which may not be a bad thing.

    Have a great day to you, ma’am.

    The Obsidian

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  607. Xsplat asks, “What happened to you that you can’t relate with reality?”

    It would be very convenient for me if I could relate to your reality, but I was not successfully programmed. Therefore I do not possess the requisite self hatred or self pity to taint my perception of the world as against me.

    The world is not against me as an “ugly” woman. How I look is incidental to accidents of my birth and experiences of my life. They’re just facts without any particular meaning, much like my other genetic features such as intelligence and “thrill seeking” capacity.

    It just so happens that my particular equipment is exceptional…but my being exceptional changes none of the facts. The fact is that the only woman who can’t get laid is one who is physically prevented from doing so. Most societies have not reached the point of actual prevention on the basis of ugliness.

    Circus freaks, amputees, the disabled, the obese, the overly tall, dwarves, and all manner of vaginae are being penetrated at this very moment. Your unwillingness to believe it neither changes that fact or prevents anyone willing to shag an “ugly” woman from doing so.

    If you believe that women who do not meet your personal requirements *should* not get laid, that is a reality I can accept. What you cannot say with any credibility is that they *do* not get laid.

    …unless you believe that I am the Virgin Mary reincarnated, and produced my daughter by immaculate conception…and before you go there, she was also conceived and born in wedlock.

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  608. a few facts:

    – dana is bitter

    – xsplat´s point about a loving woman as a “personal servant” areSPOT ON

    – even though Obsidian exagerates blacks´ grievances, in this case, the point in question (“blacks are responsible for white women fatness”) was so ridiculous that it deserved the answer it got

    I had identified Dana as bitter a few days ago. The bitter white(male) nationalist is a common sight. Dana just offered us the much rarer female equivalent. I think I understand pretty well the dynamics between sexual frustration and white male supremacism, but I have few clues about the roots of the female version.

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  609. Nicole,

    getting laid is easy for women as long as:

    1. They are below 30.
    2. They are not overweight.

    After that, you take what you can get or buy.

    now you certainly can have women in their 40s acting as free blowjob givers, but that is about it.

    Men require a minimum of looks to get turned on. But persist in your delusion if you must.

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  610. Lucifer,
    I am sorry to inform you, that you are wrong, my brother. Women can and do get laid well into their 40s and beyond.

    I don’t have a dog in this fight either way. Just merely point out the facts. That’s all I’m sayin.

    O

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  611. ”””””’Obsidian,
    You can start, in the future Dana, to be a lot more direct, deliberate and concise in what the heck you’re trying to say. If you really want to think and talk like a Man, you need to understand that we tend to get right to the point, and not get to equivocating when called on our shit. ””””””””

    Then you must be a bitch o because when you get called on shit you run and hide.

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  612. gig

    if you read supremacy into anything i say i don’t know what you are reading. pointing out differences isn’t ranking them. all races, colors and creeds are simultaneously inferior and superior to each other in the exact way dog breeds are. i’m not sure many of you here understand the nonjudgmental, almost purely descriptive quality of HBD in general. if you read “black men caused female fatness” the way obs did but nicole did NOT, then you suffer from his inability to read for comprehension–that’s all

    i believe in the cultural supremacy of the west because of its aspects that reflect what *i* value philosophically. individualism, capitalism, beauty based on the golden ratio, character and g. whatever culture values these things is fine by me irrespective of race.

    my life has been barely effected by the things we discuss here, i have lost nothing due to affirmative action and i’m neither bossing around some beta whos jerking off in his man cave waiting for the day our last kid turns 18 so he can leave in peace or a single mom. i observe, report and comment. that’s all. i keep thinking again this is the place pretty lies go to perish, but apparently that’s only wrt women, not race or philosophy

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  613. Gig, but my question is whether the White supremacy (more like separatism in Dana’s case it seems) is caused by the insecurity, or if the insecurity is caused by the current unpopularity of it.

    I just don’t see a problem with preferring to be around people of a similar culture, or preferring mates with similar looks for most people. Even as a person who is into diversity for my personal tastes, I do get the sense that there is pressure for people to be open in ways that may do them more harm than good.

    I touched on that in the co-opting cultural features post. It’s normal and beneficial for there to be some exchange between cultures, but it has to be taken into context. Someone who questions the level of exchange is not a racist for doing so.

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  614. Men do have sex with, date, and marry women who are above a size 12.

    I’d prefer death by celibacy over such horror.

    Some of those size 14 girls are pretty. 🙂

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  615. @Gig,

    What you should understand in the us is the frame of how the shit works. What happens is the b’s are used as tools to help with growth. If you have a homogeneous population it becomes stagnant. People are not driven as much to succeed. Why? Because they are content to live near their relatives and enjoy there lives. Life to them is not really all about money although they do strive to compete with each other they are not under the same incentives as in the us system. Poor/Rich/middle class doesn’t matter as much if you have all spectrums of that in your own family. What happens in us is they move the b’s next door to you and pay their rent for them. What this does is cause people that have to work to pay bills to work even harder to insure that they don’t have to live near the b’s. Those people have a massive incentive to go and get a house that cannot have b’s moved next door that don’t have to pay rent. Those houses cost a lot of money and you have to mortgage 30 years of your life. Well it is very important for people to not have there children grow up next door to people who don’t have to pay shit for rent. They work harder than they normally would have because they are not content or happy to live near the b’s. Well what happened in the states is that we are at a nexus of sorts and people are just tired of bending over for the b’s and bending over for the divorce and every other thing. Crazy part is that the shit just keeps getting piled on. You have people making a lot of money yet there spending money is in the 100’s of dollars because they have nothing anymore but trying to keep getting away from the b’s. No family around, no relatives, no god. Relying soley on their “career” for there sustanance. Well then what happened is that the retirement for that “career” is on some rocky ground when the company goes bankrupt. Lot of things adding up. After you get to point where you have 500 dollars in spending money a month. Not much more you can do to do anything. Not feeling very free at that point. Shit does work though. If you want to get your people to not get complacent; introduce some foreign elements to use as a catalyst biting the back of there legs. Only problem is what happened is you are ending up with a country without a soul. People are becoming imune to the shit. People are going into I don’t give a fuck mode. Becoming callous to all the hype and at the end of that they will go into anger mode because when you have nothing there is nothing to lose.

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  616. Dana, your supposed “objectivity” game is funny to watch. Nice to know a few others go for it.

    Continue on w/your “reporting” Dana. Perhaps you might even get embedded someday.

    O

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  617. I see that Lucifer is a believer in widespread immaculate conception.

    Look, I understand that an ugly or otherwise socially inconvenient woman has trouble getting just any old guy to commit, but we’re talking about sex here.

    Just because you don’t have the imagination to be able to think about a hot chick while screwing an ugly one doesn’t mean that most guys are built that way. Most guys get erections very easily by thinking about sex.

    At the age of 50 or so, they might need more touching to get going, but that’s about it.

    I know a lady in her 60’s who keeps herself pretty fit. A couple of my friends did her more than once and enjoyed the experience. She’s a grandmother already, and not interested in keeping around the younger studs to complicate her life. If she was, one of my friends would still be her FWB.

    Relatively hot older women may be the exception, but horny guys willing to screw just about anything that moves, and it being well cared for is a bonus, are not the exception.

    I don’t get this resistance…You guys cry all day about how desperate most men are, but you don’t think they would do someone who was clean but just below average looking?

    If they wouldn’t they’re not desperate…just suffering from the same over entitlement as their female counterparts.

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  618. obs, if you ever wish to converse with me about something i type again you can restate my point in your words and when *i* agree you understand what i am saying i will discuss it with you. otherwise we aren’t on the same page and are probably just becoming annoying

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  619. What’s annoying Dana, is you thinking you hit a homerun when in truth its a foul ball.

    Remember what we talked about now, you hear?

    Have a nice day.

    O

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  620. Just to backup my earlier point to Lucifer, and to support Nicole’s point as well, in the book The Game, Neil “Style” Strauss clearly gives testimony about how he bedded Women well into their 40s. Quite a few, in fact. Whether they were “ugly” depends on one’s POV. But agewise, oh yea, he was doing the darned thing.

    So, you fellas were saying…?

    O

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  621. Obsidian

    Moreover I submit, that if indeed Black Men are able to have that much influence over White Men AND Women [about the desireability of heavy women], then White Men are truly in trouble.

    The media has for some while now been giving black taste and images disproportionate representation and sympathy. Especially considering their market power but even their population. Fat white women are obviously looking for allies. Full up lesbians want to downplay female body shape as a critical part of a woman’s attractiveness (in part because so many of them aren’t), and lesbos got pull with the lefty media, though nothing like what Whiskey opines. So the position of physically attractive black men on the issue, particularly if it’s just “left alone” and not made fun of by much of the rest of society, white and Asian, can have an influence yes. More left-liberal Jewish lead media promoting of things no white and non WASP.

    In short, Dana is right. No we shouldn’t live and let live on the fat issue. We should ridicule.

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  622. Obsidian

    One of them is in sweating the small stuff, a classically feminine characteristic. Another is in making all things complex, when Occam’s Razor would suffice. But you do this because, like the vast majority of Women, you like to believe in your own shit.

    You have serious problems, missy. Problems that either your Man can’t or won’t solve. And so it falls to another to attempt to set straight.

    Pure BS Obsidian.

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  623. Oh, sorry.

    Should have made clear to others that that from Obsidian was directed to Dana.

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  624. David Alexander–

    Some of those size 14 girls are pretty.

    Would you or someone post a link to size 14 or thereabouts girl.

    I actually have no idea what that size looks like.

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  625. If a woman above 30 is willing to give no strings blowjobs, sure..

    But I would rather pay to fuck hot 20-something ass than fuck free 40-something ass.

    If you want to believe in the veracity of ‘sex and the city’.. that is your choice.

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  626. on August 2, 2009 at 4:27 pm Comment_Whatever

    Does anyone else think it’s funny that gig, who complains about ‘bitter betas’ beating on him for about thirty seconds before the bouncers pull them off, thinks lower-class whites are ‘bitter’ for not liking them and their children being threatened by black people continually?

    You know what would be exciting? Forcing gig to live in the slums of Saint Louis without another white person in sight for a year.

    If he survived(ha, ha), then his rich man mouthing would have some remote connection to reality.

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  627. Three in a row doug maybe you will be whisked back to kansas lol

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  628. Nicole,

    in case you did not get it, I do not care what a cunt says or believes in. You are all equally worthless.. your are only useful for fucking.

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  629. Realistically he would prob survive but it gets old when grown up adults are asking for quarters and shit. Or there kids are running around knocking on door not to shovel snow or sell cookies but to ask for again a quarter and shit because that is life everything you get is supposed to be free just like the rent for mama.

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  630. Obsidian–

    Obsidian

    Lucifer,
    I am sorry to inform you, that you are wrong, my brother. Women can and do get laid well into their 40s and beyond.

    That is true. Though fifties gets lots tougher even to just get laid, out on the sexual marketplace. Well by anyone the woman finds attractive even at that age.

    What women in their 40’s, esp. when not just over the line, find hard, is to attract any man to remarry them. Or otherwise live with them for supposedly and maybe forever. That is one that appeals to them too. They actually typically find this very hard.

    Now Obsidian, don’t go giving me your three or four exceptions. They’re meaningless. Nothing I said doesn’t allow a few exceptions. Your task would be to show that it isn’t just a few but a whole lot.

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  631. Comment_Whatever

    Does anyone else think it’s funny that gig, who complains about ‘bitter betas’ beating on him for about thirty seconds before the bouncers pull them off, thinks lower-class whites are ‘bitter’ for not liking them and their children being threatened by black people continually?

    You know what would be exciting? Forcing gig to live in the slums of Saint Louis without another white person in sight for a year.

    What an ignorant f*ck you are CW.

    Gig lives in Sao Paulo Brazil.

    It’s crime rate, mostly by blacks, leaves Saint Louis in the dust. By far. Muggings are huge and endemic. And so on.

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  632. Comment — It’s a matter of ingrained habit to give up space or seating to: older people, disabled, pregnant women, and little kids. I wouldn’t give my seat up to some chick, hot or not, who was able. I sure would to some old person. Proper comportment means you don’t make others uncomfortable in public spaces, stare, and other such stuff. That’s how people get by.

    I’m the least maximizer person here, the most likely to call women on their entitlement BS. But politeness doesn’t hurt anyone and doesn’t mean you let folks walk all over you.

    As for “who made women fat?” It’s women. Look at any supermarket. Pace off the men’s grooming stuff (shaving cream, razors, aftershave) and then pace off the the women’s grooming stuff (exclude feminine hygiene) and you’ll see a 7-1 or better ratio between women’s stuff and mens.

    The MARKETPLACE made women fat (and catered to all their other BS) because in rising incomes from nearly 60 years after WWII, women would spend a lot of money on grooming stuff to attract the few dominant alphas. This led to the media being dominated by the need to cater to women’s BS (see Whoopi Goldberg, Roseanne, Rosie O’Donnell) in all areas, including fat is beautiful bs. It wasn’t “jews’ or Blacks or anything else but women spend a shitload of money on shampoos and other make-up/beauty bs.

    However, as a practical matter, now that Government is entwined in every aspect of every single person’s life, the defacto political alliance (that Obsidian rightly observed) between White Women and Blacks (and Hispanics) over AA preferences is falling apart. Not the least of which is White Women don’t want to die of Breast Cancer so that incompetent Blacks or Hispanics can be passed into Med School and passed as doctors in Boards to increase AA patronage.

    When AA didn’t matter (or White guys benefited by having Wives get ahead) it had broad support. There’s no way in a deep, lasting recession that AA preferences can lock out effectively 65% or more of the population, when AA and government covers every single aspect of life, from birth to death and the carbon police in between.

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  633. Doug,
    What I would say is that this is context dependent. I personally know quite a few Black Women who have no problem getting Wood for either the short or longterm. I’ve seen it myself, firsthand. And I think this has to do w/the simple fact that Black Men in general don’t seem to put as much emphasis on age/youth as White Men do. Plus the fact that on average, Black Women tend to age a bit more gracefully than do White Women.

    But yea, we agree more than we disagree. And let me also say, that a mature Woman who takes care of herself, has style and grace, can be quite sexually attractive. At least to me.

    O

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  634. Doug your wrong on this one bud.

    Should know by now that comment is usually on his game.

    Sau Paulo at its peak murder rate was 35.7 per 100,000 and it was down to 15.1 in 2006.

    In east Saint louis 83.8 so yea kicking the shit out of what you thought was a hellhole.

    Like I said in above post they use hell to insure that the regular people work there asses off to make dam sure they don’t have to live there.

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  635. So now gig you can see how b’s are given the benefit of the doubt consistantly even though they are fucking people up. I mean it is good for business as I highlighted above. Most people really cannot comprehend the extent of the problem that we have going on. When 12 percent of the population commits more murders than the other 88 percent. Then the 88 percent is forced to babysit them and don’t want the fucking job. Then the 12 percent is given every break imaginable. Really a facinating situation having a grown man try to blow someone else out of the water without checking facts. So yea you can see incindiary topic because it is so personal. It calls into question things like am I a man. How can I be a man if I don’t go to war on this shit? Things like how can I walk tall and allow my people to be killed? How can I call and think of myself as a man and allow this magnitude of injustice to go on? Why people try not to face the facts too much. It might require of them action.

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  636. I was living in Rio until a few months ago, and there AFAIK the murder rate stands proudly above 40/100 000. actually the nick “gig” is the aircode for the international airport. I needed a nick and the airticket on the table offered me BSB or GIG.

    I read sometime ago that a south african couple decided to leave England and return to SA because they thought England was dull and they missed the thrill of living in South Africa. Having lived in England also, I completely understand them.

    the comment about bouncers was the kind of thing that only anonimity allows. but it works. really works. It stops you from having “fighting anxiety”

    comment, I actually support the WN agenda. What I point here is how much bitterness self defeats their agenda.

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  637. Then in us what they do is go to a place that is homogeneous and move the people that are making the hell in a place like east saint louis into your neighborhood. So the house prices are low because again people are just living. They grew up together they enjoy each others company. Then the same people that created hell in east louis are moved next door on the gov’s dime so that they can now create hell in a place that was before ok.

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  638. I am NOT EXCUSING BLACKS. I am probably on par with Libby and Apeman in the volume of racist comments.

    What I say is that bitter people don´t go anywhere and there is widespread bitterness in the WN blogosphere. This is why Steve Sailer is a sucess: he is funny, the kind of guy you would like to have a beer with. But it shouldn´t go unnoticed that only massive censorship prevents his blog from being occupied by the bitter crowd

    Also, much of that bitterness is rooted in sexual frustration. But I have so many comments here about that that I won´t write another one.

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  639. To drive those people out and make them more productive members of society by making it not ok to remain where they grew up because now they don’t want to raise there kids in hell do they. They have to work harder than they normally would have and be less happy than they would have been living the way they had been living.

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  640. Gunny,
    The problem is, WHY do White folks harp on Black crime rates when Black folk invariably kill more Black folks than anyone else? What is up with that?

    O

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  641. Gunny–

    You’re comparing the worst crime (and nearly all black) part of St. Louis to the whole megalopolis of Sao Paulo, Brazil’s biggest and richest city at 14-15 million people.

    But yeah, East St. Louis’ crime stats look even worse than I’d thought.

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  642. I work with something like the “net crime rate”. it excludes from the “raw crime rate” the murders of blacks.

    once you start working with “net crime rates”, Brazil looks much more peaceful and Saint Louis will be on the same level of Tokyo

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  643. Obsidian–

    The problem is, WHY do White folks harp on Black crime rates when Black folk invariably kill more Black folks than anyone else? What is up with that?

    Blacks commit more crime against those in their own neighborhoods than anyone else that’s true. But they certainly don’t show a preference for crime against their own when they know the turf where whitey lives.

    Blacks also commit huge crime against whites, per black capita. Worldwide.

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  644. The bitterness of wn groups is because they are not fighting they are not going to war. They are not killing. There is only one way to win the battle and they are not able to wage it. They are not able to save their brother. They are not able to be their brothers keeper. They are not able to put a face on the enemy other than to put a color. Yet they can’t being themselves to just eliminate the color because that would be wrong. Yet it is still an inner struggle with no outlet.

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  645. obs, dana- at the risk of flogging a dead horse, let me try to parse your disagreement and try to find common ground, out of my respect for you both.

    here’s dana’s post that kicked off your argument:

    obs,

    i could be wrong–but i think one of the objections middle class and up white males have to the observed black penchant for overweight white females is its effect in reinforcing the female driven notion that its ok to be fat. this in turn fattens up the pool of women THOSE men want–leaving the average white nonplayer a much fatter set of choices who also lack other good wifely instincts, like self control and sexual continence.

    the norming of female lack of self control in diet goes hand in hand with female lack of self control in sexual selection and fidelity. this leads in turn to woman losing any filter over their mouths, and saying and ball busting shrewish thing that springs to mind without regard to what its doing to a man’s adrenalin level.

    basically women now believe they should follow their passions and appetites without regard to the consequences while they have simultaneously imposed heavy criminal sanction on any male who similarly follows HIS passions and appetites

    this after O had made his oft-stated and reasonable comment that people shouldn’t worry about or pick on fat women if they aren’t interested in them. (O, the counter to that, and the reason it comes up so often on the board, is that most men are annoyed when otherwise desirable women *allow* themselves to get fat, and therefore less attractive to the majority of men, then turning around and blaming the men for having “unreasonable” standards or whatever. they blow the one attractiveness variable they have control over then blame “the media”, “society”, men or whoever for their own behavior.)

    O’s response:

    Dana,
    Yes, Apeman has attempted to float such notions before. Please allow me to address all that.

    First, its been my experience that a Woman’s dress size has little if any bearing on her mouth size, so to speak; while I do personally favor more plus-size ladies, I am intensely turned off by Women with large mouths. NONE of the ladies I’ve chosen to keep company acts in this way, in the least. ALL of them come from respectable backgrounds. On the other hand I have personally witnessed thinner, and from more humble background Women who would make even the most grizzled sailor blush by her four letter rhetorical stylings.

    Moreover I submit, that if indeed Black Men are able to have that much influence over White Men AND Women, then White Men are truly in trouble. And while the idea is somewhat flattering to contemplate, I think the easier answer is simply that its easier to get fat in our time, no matter who you are. White Women are not immune to this. And as per usual, White Men need to stop scapegoating others because of their inability and/or refusal to deal w/their problems.

    As for the idea that plus-size Women lack discipline, stamina, etc, I can personally say that it is at best greatly exaggerated. In fact I have found quite a few lethargic thinner Women in my time, and the equivalent to Sexual Olympians among the plus-size set. We really should be a bit more judicious in our stereotyping here.

    O

    so far, so reasonable. but the fatal misinterpretation: obs is probably right to say dana exaggerated, maybe to the point of stereotype, the effect of black size preferences in the wider white culture, which in fact (obs is right) has little to do with the preferences of black men. shit, when i see the black chicks gyrating in hip-hop videos, a proxy for standards of attractiveness in that subculture, hard to see that point. dana, in the very unlikely event you feel like rehashing this, maybe give some examples of what you were thinking of.

    but he missed dana’s point about discipline – the point was women are plus-sized *because* they don’t control what they eat, exercise, etc.

    downhill from there: escalation, talking past, insulting, etc.

    one more thing: obs, this-

    You can start, in the future Dana, to be a lot more direct, deliberate and concise in what the heck you’re trying to say.

    -is ridiculous. dana’s writing is like a crystal knife, it’s so clear and sharp. to the point of losing nuance/context in the service of making a strong point. which perhaps has led, not only on this occasion, to the kinds of confusion evidenced here.

    you two are among philly’s finest, so you should get along better!!

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  646. Obsidian–

    Black crime against whites in South Africa has been moving ever upward and is at very high levels since the lid was taken off with the enabling of black voting and control of government / police forces, etc.

    Trying to downplay black propensity to criminality compared to the other major races isn’t going to play with me Obsidian.

    As well you yourself have more or less admitted the same. I could go find, but don’t feel like it at the moment.

    You said essentially, ‘lots of black men don’t want to do the slow slog up from the service job bottom, but instead risk the criminal route. As being where flash and casual sex girls approving can be found if they hit it at all.’ this was after in the same thread but a fair bit of time before you gave a heart felt oration on why whitie should give jobs to black ex cons. (Never mind recidivism stats.)

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  647. few other things:

    @gunny – you have had so many three-in-a-rows that you get multiple trips form iraq to kansa and back…

    @xsplat- i’m pretty sure dreamer is a chick.

    race and crime? again? really?

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  648. Obsidian — Louis Armstrong WAS considered uncool. Late in life and after he died, to this day, he is (and was) excoriated for being “an Uncle Tom.” August Wilson (that miserable a-hole) was among the worst offenders.

    In fact any of those Jazz legends, would today be considered uncool, in fact dorky like that character with high-water pants. Cool is whatever is fashionable at the moment. It can be parachute pants, or MC Hammer, or Britney Spears during her “Toxic” video. That’s all it is.

    Jazz, btw, had White guys like Bix Biederbecke in it, along with Benny Goodman, and Dave Brubeck. Black audiences have almost completely abandoned Jazz, it’s now a near total White audience with a few, smattering of Black players hanging on from family traditions (examples: the Marsalis Dynasty). Increasingly, performers are White (Diana Krall). Even in Jazz’s early ages (the 1920’s) there were White guys playing it, this continued through the 1930’s, and in the 1940’s-60’s you had the whole West Coast Brubeck-style lightness school, with mostly White guys. It tipped White mostly IMHO because Blacks found too many Whites in it and left, much like Baseball (which had been half-Black from the beginning, remained so in Segregation, and continued half-Black through the 1980s).

    Gig — You are living in a fantasy. Financial capitalism depends on a stable, global system with a global “police force” to enable global trade (i.e. the US Navy) and deter Saddam-Kuwait style aggression. With the US in retreat, and China, India, Iran, Russia, and Indonesia all looking at neighboring countries and piracy, the house of cards is falling. Already Hollywood is under earnings assault because half their income comes from foreign sources, and they are under assault by cheap pirated DVDs. What you get without a Middle Class is Brazil, China, India, Nigeria, Iran, Russia, or Pakistan — bankrupt, corrupt, unstable, and therefore aggressive basket cases that roll the dice for the big play knowing they’ll end up in the scrap heap regardless.

    WSJ reports that companies have made strides to profitability by cutting costs and reducing inventory, neither of which are self-sustaining. No one is forecasting Wage Gains which means AT BEST we hang on the cliff-side until an external shock (Iran nukes Israel, Israel nukes Iran, US defeat in Afghanistan, Pakistan falls to the Taliban, US or other Western cities nuked by shipping container nuke from Pakistan or Iran or North Korea, North Korea invades South Korea, supplier of critical global components such as flat screen panels) sends the whole thing down. The downside of globalism is that any shock anywhere ripples through the entire system. Add to it increased costs in the US for ObamaCare and Cap and Trade, and there’s no give or slack at all in the system. NONE.

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  649. I am personnaly ashamed of myself for not fighting that battle. Yes I will admit my one true regret in this life. I did not speak up or stand up when they came to fuck with the white man. I did not sacrifice my life for the good of the white man. I just moved away to save myself intead of standing up for what is right.

    Like the old hitler thing they came for the jews but I said and did nothing for I was not a jew. They came for the catholics and I said and did nothing because I was not catholic. They came for the educated and I said and did nothing because I was not educated. They came for the crippled and I said and did nothing because I was not crippled. Then they came for me and there was no one to say anything.

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  650. Catherine —

    Good point, see my most recent post on “the Feminization of Fantasy” and how the Twilight Tweens and their Moms are lapping up shady Game. Even or especially Tween girls love that BS, and the sad thing is that most girls don’t ever grow up. I’ve met women who were 35+, and acted like tween girls, disturbing. A number of years ago I’d meet girls, assume they were early twenties (and mature) and got the shock of my life when I learned they were 16!!

    Maturity for women comes (as it does for men) by realizing you can’t have it all. That you have to trade-off in qualities you look for, “choose and be damned” so to speak, and do so knowing you both gain (get the qualities you want most) and lose (you can’t have it all). There’s too much of a female-consumerism view towards men, relationships, and such. That men are another disposable beauty product. [Men have their own flaws, too tedious to list, one of them valuing looks exclusively over character/intelligence. A floor is good, Cigstache is unlikely to make a good mate, but an average, slender girl in good health with superior character and intelligence is far preferable to the hottest “10” ever.]

    Too right on Matriarchy. It’s here, and it’s here because of market dominance caused by women/girls outspending men/boys on consumer goods. Look at my latest post, I break down some Amazon rankings for comparable fantasy novels. What’s interesting is that women and girls tend to pick up and then drop fads. The shady Vampire fantasy figure was nothing ten years ago, and six years from now will be as “whatever” as Hanson.

    Obsidian — Hatred of women is a function of women destroying previously male-only institutions. Like the Twilight Tweens invading Comic-con and making it into a squee fest that destroyed the vibe of geeky goodness for male fans. Guys don’t invade Soap Opera conventions, and turn them into a Dungeons and Dragons fest, and totally ruin the vibe for female and gay fans. Once women and girls invade an institution, they turn it girly and impose female values onto it. Comics and fantasy are already ruined by the imposition of Tween Girl rules (see Heroes) onto the scene. Fantasy, which used to be Conan the Cimmerian, are now populated by “Lonely Werewolf Girl” and “Vampire Academy” (no, I’m not kidding). It’s crap and men resent the hell out of being shoved out of every place by Tween Girl BS.

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  651. Doug,
    Black folks also pay heavily in the form of long prison sentences or worse, when they commit crimes against Whites-often much more, than against Blacks. They’ve done studies on this, so again the whole thing seems irrational to me. Black criminals prey on other Black criminals in particular and Black folk in general. And for every White victim a Black perp gets you can be certain that there’s three, four, five times as many Black victims. Many of whom never get to see justice done.

    Smh

    O

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  652. NO they don’t o black guy.

    The white mans curse he is raised or has some internal morals that are predestined to cause his own extermination.

    I did walk down the street with the red bandana on one side and the blue on the other to show the idiocy of the whole thing. But yea didn’t follow through with the extermination after my beatdown.

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  653. Then I got to come here and listen to obsidian talk shit about black like they have something to offer. With his stated goal being to make sure whites understand things from a black perspective and to taunt whitey. Except o didn’t grow up with whites who were killing people he knew. He has no excuse for wanting to constantly remind whitey about blacks and how great they are. It is like you can’t escape the blacks no matter what you do. Apprently there is only one solution. Too bad we are not up to the challenge.

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  654. Gunslingergregi comment on August 2, 2009 at 3:47 pm

    The Truth.

    Good conclusion as to the end game. East Germany future of demoralized individuals drinking themselved toward death.

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  655. Then every time he gets in argument with whitey (of course only the whites that ddin’t grow up with blacky) it is oh well you don’t know what real blacks are like. Have you been to the hood. You would of had to grow up in the hood to understand what I am talking about. Yea it is a shithole that is pretty much all ya need to know.

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  656. Obsidian–

    Black folks also pay heavily in the form of long prison sentences or worse, when they commit crimes against Whites-often much more, than against Blacks. They’ve done studies on this

    From what I’ve seen, and yeah Sailer did something on this but also others, this takes the form of 1) ignoring past criminal records, which do and should matter huge; and 2) blacks being punished lighter for crimes against blacks, but not more heavily for crimes against whites than whites are. I.e. there may be some devaluing of black victims, rather than disproportionately thumping on black criminals.

    Perhaps some or all of that is that the black victims were themselves very often criminals, or seemed to be to the jury/judge.

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  657. Yea doug pull some stats you always undercut the actual murder numbers.

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  658. I mean how the fuck is it supposed to get better if a black man who educated himself can pretty much only think about the white man. Educated himself to be able to shove black down the white mans throat. Does this make any sense?
    Obama president of us. Still jumping on some racial shit. When obviously if you look around the white man is not killing blacks by the thousands every day. So there is no white problem. Need to look at the black problem. Otherwise when someone does come along and gives reasons why it is morally ok to kill as many blacks as you want there will be a shitload of people ready and willing to jump on that bandwaggon because if there is one thing white people love it is condoned sanctioned killing in a morally righteous way. Let someone rise up and game over.

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  659. Whiskey,
    Question: how did those Tween girls etc et al, actually gain entrance into said previously all Male institutions?

    Here’s a hint: MEN LET THEM IN.

    And not just any Men, mind you-the Men who matter, who can make decisions. That’s who. They’re the ones who wanted Women involved, right or wrong.

    I do agree w/you that it will be very interesting to see how this recession will play itself out. For the first time in human history more Women are employed than Men, among other things. My guess is that Women are in for some rude awakenings, soon. But we’ll see.

    O

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  660. Think of the canary in the coal mine Obsidian.
    You may want to stare at some cruel numbers for a while. Maybe rethink some of those axioms you live by and try to avert armageddon for your people.

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  661. ”””””””””doug1
    Gunny–

    You’re comparing the worst crime (and nearly all black) part of St. Louis to the whole megalopolis of Sao Paulo, Brazil’s biggest and richest city at 14-15 million people.

    But yeah, East St. Louis’ crime stats look even worse than I’d thought.””””””””””’

    That is because you thought it wasn’t that bad because you have not seen it with your own eyes. To use an o ploy. You can not begin to understand what it is like for a white person growing up in that crap. We should get reparations for being test dummies and for having post traumatic stress disorder at a young age complements of the us babysitting service.

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  662. Gunny,
    You know, usually, I tend to ignore your rants, because they often don’t make any sense. Your last comment is an exemplar of this tendency on your part.

    What the heck are you talking about?

    O

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  663. You can read. You have a brain. No I don’t think blacks are that stupid.

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  664. Gunslingergregi-

    Comment at 3:47 pm.

    I agree with PA. There’s a lot of truth to that.

    The desire to move is rational as well. It’s not limited to any class of whites at all, at all. It’s rampant among SWPL as the move up and start to think of having kids or really where they’re gonna send them to school most of all.

    It isn’t usually felt, at least in upper half communities with a few b’s moving in. Only with large percentages or it’s really looking that way.

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  665. I’m wondering when Roissy is going to make the wrong girl think he actually did kill someone and have a long discussion with some nice police detectives.

    Or you could join the Marines or the Army and do it for real, if it doesn’t get done unto you first. Faking it is a lot safer.

    AJ Travis had some good advice. I’ll just add, if you have a gun, learn how to use it. It’s not a magic wand. All you can do with one is shoot someone or something, and in civilian life you are pretty much guaranteed to get more attention from the law than you ever wanted if you do shoot someone. Decide what you are willing to do before trouble starts.

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  666. Bennigan, I don’t need to prove my or anyone else’s worth to you. It’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it.

    However, as I’m in the habit of telling many girls who let their emotions cloud their reason, feelings are not facts.

    Attempting to counter facts with feelings just makes you look foolish.

    Keep that in the pocket for when you gain enough life experience to see the truth for yourself.

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  667. Doug,
    I don’t deny what you say about Black Male criminality, both here and abroad. I don’t make excuses for it, don’t justify it.

    That said, I think its important to keep in mind that all Brothas ain’t criminals, and those that were often want to go straight.

    O

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  668. I’m taking editorial liberties and breaking up Gunslinger’s comment into paragraphs and a few small cleanups:

    What you should understand in the US is the frame of how the shit works. What happens is the b’s are used as tools to help with growth. If you have a homogeneous population it becomes stagnant. People are not driven as much to succeed.

    Why? Because they are content to live near their relatives and enjoy their lives. Life to them is not really all about money although they do strive to compete with each other they are not under the same incentives as in the US system. Poor/Rich/middle class doesn’t matter as much if you have all spectrums of that in your own family.

    What happens in us is they move the b’s next door to you and pay their rent for them. What this does is cause people that have to work to pay bills to work even harder to insure that they don’t have to live near the b’s.

    Those people have a massive incentive to go and get a house that cannot have b’s moved next door that don’t have to pay rent. Those houses cost a lot of money and you have to mortgage 30 years of your life.

    Well it is very important for people to not have there children grow up next door to people who don’t have to pay shit for rent. They work harder than they normally would have because they are not content or happy to live near the b’s.

    Well what happened in the States is that we are at a nexus of sorts and people are just tired of bending over for the b’s and bending over for the divorce and every other thing. Crazy part is that the shit just keeps getting piled on. You have people making a lot of money yet there spending money is in the 100’s of dollars because they have nothing anymore but trying to keep getting away from the b’s.

    No family around, no relatives, no god. Relying soley on their “career” for there sustanance.

    Well then what happened is that the retirement for that “career” is on some rocky ground when the company goes bankrupt. Lot of things adding up. After you get to point where you have 500 dollars in spending money a month. Not much more you can do to do anything. Not feeling very free at that point.

    Shit does work though. If you want to get your people to not get complacent, introduce some foreign elements to use as a catalyst biting the back of there legs.

    Only problem is what happened is you are ending up with a country without a soul. People are becoming immune to the shit. People are going into “I don’t give a fuck mode.” Becoming callous to all the hype and at the end of that they will go into anger mode because when you have nothing there is nothing to lose.

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  669. on August 2, 2009 at 6:59 pm GNPs are for Apes

    gig wrote :

    obsidian and nicole should marry.

    They do each match the physical attributes that the other prefers.

    Once again, the full “Obese-dian” song here (lyrics sung to the these of ‘Shaft” by Isaac Hayes)

    He is a self-made man.

    He knows what he wants.

    He wants a LOT of it.

    He is Obese-dian.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

    He pursues the big game

    He has friends who scout them for him.

    He can even spare a quart-ton for Norbit Alex.

    Mu’Min likes BIG WuMin.

    (background chorus singing “……FAT”, that sounds like “shaft”)

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  670. Doug, the problem with ridiculing the fat is that it doesn’t work. It doesn’t work for the same reason most amateur social engineering doesn’t work. The source of the problem is way above your head and therefore out of your control.

    If you really want to help, save the dirty looks whenever you see someone fat eating a donut, and become a health writer. You’ll do much more good that way, and perhaps put yourself in position to be a more professional, recognized social engineer.

    A social engineer must have herd credibility, and that is the sad fact. In order to not be killed literally or figuratively, you also have to have power among other of your equals. Being highly regarded is important.

    If you want to manage the herd, you need to be a shepherd. Shepherds eat more sheep than wolves, but the reason they can do that and still be followed is because they do it in a way that sheep feel dependent.

    If someone isn’t dependent on your opinion of what they’re doing, then you can scream until your face is blue, and it will carry no weight. You’re just spitting in the wind…along with the rest of the hysterical screamers barking up the wrong tree.

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  671. on August 2, 2009 at 7:04 pm GNPs are for Apes

    xsplat,

    Note on how Obsidian is outperforming both you and Peter in terms of fetish actualization.

    All 3 of you have very different fetishes, of course, but Obsidian is clearly a doer, rather than a talker.

    Admittedly, Peter would have to move to the Congo to achieve fetish-actualization, but both Obsidian (USA) and xsplat (Indonesia) already live where their fetishes are easy to meet, yet Obsidian has built a far more extensive operation.

    So xsplat has to get moving….

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  672. on August 2, 2009 at 7:09 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obsidian wrote :

    That said, I think its important to keep in mind that all Brothas ain’t criminals, and those that were often want to go straight.

    Yep, just like all women aren’t cuckolders, gold-diggers, moochers, etc.

    But enough of them, say a third of them, are, and that harms the reputation of the two-thirds that are not. Others thus come to the conclusion that interacting with the broader group, in general, should be done with the highest of suspicion.

    The same goes for black men. It is EXACTLY the same thing.

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  673. Nicole/Kthula is like Sylvia Plath, except she actually is a realization of Plath’s psychotic-prophetic rantings. If we see Plath as a mildly lobotomized version of the female id, Kthula is the femal id on steroids, coke, and peyote.

    In fact — Plaths poetry needs to be taken from her, and given to Kthula/Nicole, where it belongs.

    After all, it is to Kthula/Nicole that these words rightfully belong:

    I rise with my red hair,
    And I eat men like air

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  674. on August 2, 2009 at 7:19 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I can’t believe people are actually saying that a woman who is over 40 and over 200 pounds is still desirable to a sizable set of men.

    A woman over 40 has DRAMATICALLY less sexual market value than a woman of 25. The top 1% of 45 year olds is barely competitive with the top 50% of 25 year olds.

    That is how the world works.

    Also, it has been extremely well established on this blog that ONLY black men prefer fat women. All other races of men do not.

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  675. on August 2, 2009 at 7:30 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Especially considering their market power but even their population. Fat white women are obviously looking for allies. Full up lesbians want to downplay female body shape as a critical part of a woman’s attractiveness (in part because so many of them aren’t), and lesbos got pull with the lefty media,

    100% agreement.

    However, globalization is a powerful enemy against this. Look at Mexican TV shows, Bollywood films, Chinese films, etc. They advertise the ideal female body shape very unashamedly. Some of these women have incredible perfection in their body shape.

    Hell, the Hispanic media even have ultra-hotties as weathergirls and daytime talk-show hosts.

    Do a youtube search for ‘Jackie Guerrido’. When a woman is hot enough to make you watch old weather forecasts in a language you don’t even speak, THAT is something.

    In short, Dana is right. No we shouldn’t live and let live on the fat issue. We should ridicule.

    I would love for others to join me in this worthy crusade.

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  676. on August 2, 2009 at 7:38 pm GNPs are for Apes

    doug1,

    Especially considering their market power but even their population. Fat white women are obviously looking for allies. Full up lesbians want to downplay female body shape as a critical part of a woman’s attractiveness (in part because so many of them aren’t), and lesbos got pull with the lefty media,

    Very true. But the 30 or so black women in America who are genuine 9s and 10s have all found careers in TV, music, or fashion.

    So a hot black woman still has huge demand for exposure.

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  677. on August 2, 2009 at 7:52 pm Comment_Whatever

    doug says something stupid:

    What an ignorant f*ck you are CW.

    Gig lives in Sao Paulo Brazil.

    It’s crime rate, mostly by blacks, leaves Saint Louis in the dust. By far. Muggings are huge and endemic. And so on.

    I know, doug, Sao Paulo is probably even more divided than Saint Louis.. It’s the SAME EVERYWHERE.

    Saint Louis, with Gated Communities, No Public Traffic Streets, and private cops for the rich, and Section 8 Housing for the middle class.

    THE SAME EVERYWHERE. Except for the places where it is NOT EVEN REMOTELY THE SAME.

    Of course, since every city is like that to an extent, I kind of wonder how you could be so stupid as to fail to realize this.

    Well Doug, HOW ARE YOU EVEN CAPABLE OF ENTERTAINING SUCH NONSENSE FOR A SECOND?

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  678. Apeman,
    Good luck w/the “shame Women” crusade. In fact, I’d like to see how you’re doing say, 5 years from now. Like I said, good luck with that.

    As for the 40 and over crowd among Women getting laid, like I said, crack open The Game. Style’s done it, and I don’t think you’ve gotten laid more than him.

    O

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  679. on August 2, 2009 at 8:10 pm Comment_Whatever

    Oh, and I personally don’t care that gig doesn’t like being attacked by random idiots.

    That just makes him smart. But it also means what it says. He doesn’t like being attacked by random idiots.

    But that makes him different HOW from the white people he is critical of?

    He has the money to avoid their problems? Well… yes…. but that’s his ‘why I am better point’?

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  680. PA, I haven’t read much of Plath, but I do like much of what I’ve read. My favorite line of hers is, “Never try to trick me with a kiss”.

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  681. on August 2, 2009 at 8:17 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    Are you actually disagreeing with my statement :

    “A woman over 40 has DRAMATICALLY less sexual market value than a woman of 25. The top 1% of 45 year olds is barely competitive with the top 50% of 25 year olds.”

    Agree or disagree? Yes or no?

    A 45 year old woman ‘getting laid’ with a 65 year old man certainly happens a lot, but is far below her ideal expectations.

    I see that most of what you write is very binary, in that ‘getting laid’ vs. ‘not getting laid’ is all there is. There is no appreciation on your part about the difference between getting a 1 (which most non-black men would decline) and getting a 10.

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  682. Apeman,
    Listen to this very carefully, and then answer truthfully:

    IN THE BOOK THE GAME, NEIL STYLE STRAUSS CLEARLY SPEAKS ABOUT BANGING WOMEN WELL OVER 40 YEARS OF AGE.

    QUESTION: DO YOU GET LAID MORE THAN STYLE DOES?

    Capice?

    Good. Now, holla back

    O

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  683. on August 2, 2009 at 8:41 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Total non-sequiter, Obese-dian.

    You clearly steered wide and clear of my simple question :

    “A woman over 40 has DRAMATICALLY less sexual market value than a woman of 25. The top 1% of 45 year olds is barely competitive with the top 50% of 25 year olds.”

    Agree or disagree? Yes or no? Quit being a coward and answer the question head on.

    I fail to see what vested interest you have in trying to prop up the ‘Sex and the City’ feminist meme that a woman’s sex appeal at 45 is no less than at 25. Sure, 45 y/o women ‘get laid’ but with 65 year old men, thus much less than their top choice.

    I mean, I know you have a fat fetish, but why do you have an old fetish? It makes no sense.

    Lastly, I am merely agreeing with doug1 about the need to ridicule obesity. You jumped on me, mainly because you are afraid of doug1. Not very alpha of you to be afraid of another commenter.

    And you trying to ‘talk Italian’ is no more worthy/unworthy of a white guy ‘talking black’, so keep that in mind, yaknowwah’imsayyin??.

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  684. Look Mighty Joe Young,
    All I said was that Style, who has seen more ass than you will in three lifetimes, has banged 40-plus year old Women. Period. That’s proof enough for anyone in a PUA forum to know that such Women have little problem getting laid if they want it.

    Let’s try this again:

    Do you know more than Style, Apeman? If so, what’s your number?

    O

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  685. Look Mighty Joe Young,
    All I said was that Style, who has seen more ass than you will in three lifetimes, has banged 40-plus year old Women. Period. That’s proof enough for anyone in a PUA forum to know that such Women have little problem getting laid if they want it.

    Let’s try this again:

    Do you know more than Style, Apeman? If so, what’s your number?

    Oh, how old was Sanford’s mistress, Apeman? Or John Edwards’? Were they Women under or over the age of 40? Hmm? And were they dealing w/powerful Men, or not?

    O

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  686. on August 2, 2009 at 8:57 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Obese-dian,

    I asked a simple question first. You have to answer it.

    Answer the simple question : Does a woman’s SMV drop substantially from age 25 to 45? Yes or no?

    Dodging simple questions may be normal for black people, but that is why black people never succeed economically. You actually call ME an Ape….

    I think I know why you want to prop up the ultimate feminist illusion that women of 40+ are still competitive with 25 year old women :

    It is because of your fat fetish. You know that women gain weight as they age, which is why you want to legitimize age as well.

    Therefore, Obese-dian is an ally of the feminists. I gave Obese-dian too much credit in the past.

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  687. on August 2, 2009 at 8:59 pm GNPs are for Apes

    And yes, Obese-dian, you are afraid of doug1. He and dana made the main point. I merely cosigned, yet you jumped on me, because you are afraid of doug1. This will be highlighted from time to time, in the future.

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  688. on August 2, 2009 at 9:03 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Style never, ever, ever would say that women of 45, as a group, have anywhere near the SMV as women of 25. Him screwing an 40+ woman as a anecdote does not change the fact that he (and all men who don’t have a fat fetish) agree with me, and disagree with you.

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  689. GNPs are for Apes: Actually, there’re swathes of Middle East and South Asia that may prefer their women fat. I can’t say sexually but for mate selection. It’s seen as a form of wealth.

    If it’s genetic, then one evolutionary drive that may explain this is that in areas where there’s likely to be starvation, a mate with padding survives longer.

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  690. Apeman,
    I don’t give a fuck about your pseudo theoretical bullshit, OK? I care about the real fucking world, and in that world, Women over 40 fuck. Regularly. Go to any OBGYN and ask them. Pull sexual activity rates from the NIH or the CDC.

    I have no interest in helping