Reader Mailbag: Marriage Independence Day Edition

Email #1: “I can’t help myself!”

I’ve been reading your blog for only a few short months now, so I’m not as polished on my alpha/beta (and their respective subsets) classification skills as I should be.

I presented clear and elegant definitions for the alpha/beta male in this post and for the alpha/beta female in this post.

I’m curious to know how you would understand this classic PUA who managed to wrangle me into bed. I wrote about the experience quasi-extensively here [REDACTED to protect reader’s privacy], but in the case you don’t want a serious case of TLDR, I’ll give you the long and short of it:

I’m a 20 year old woman. I’ve been with four men, that number including the aforementioned PUA. On the whole, I’m fairly responsible with my sexual decisions. Two of the men I’ve slept with have been relative long-term engagements, the third was short-term, but I did have feelings for him. I consider myself fairly shrewd and astute intellectually considering my age and station in life, and don’t often let myself get manipulated. The PUA I slept with initially presented himself as thoughtful and intelligent, but also arrogant, circumventing most everything I was saying. He was a 24 year old budding lawyer; I am a philosophy student, so I held my argument fairly well, but in spite of what I said, he would be altogether dismissive without substantiating his claims. Normally, this would infuriate me, but I perceived it as a challenge, and it created an erotic situation. I slept with him on the second date.

By the third date, I was having unprotected sex with him (completely out of character), and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women. He wasn’t classically Alpha, in the sense that he didn’t play the aloof game. He would text me countless times in a day, call me at all times, and suggested, after only the second date, I stay over at his place to be able to greet him when coming home.

My venture is that he understood I normally didn’t go for the capital-A “asshole” type, so decided to humour me with semi-committal gestures. Semi-committal, in the respect that he would treat me with the complete familiarity of a significant other, but still managed to retain all of his arrogant airs. What breed of PUA is he exactly? I’m at a total loss.

Thanks,
S.

Four partners by 20 years old? According to studies, the median number of lifetime sex partners for American women is three (so really, it’s six, since we have to double whatever number women claim it is). You’re pushing slut territory, be careful how many more cocks you stack up throughout your 20s if you want to snag a quality man and you wish to avoid numbing your capacity for love and infatuation. Judging by your full name which you included in your email to me, you are probably European, so adjust the slut threshold to your particular sexual market accordingly. For instance, Russian chicks are notorious sluts, so if you are Russian four partners is known as “a warm-up”.

I’ve dated many women like you, S. Washington DC is filled with overeducated smart chicks who get turned on by men who can joust with them intellectually. It sounds like this putative PUA played to your type perfectly. He knew your pride rests on your self-identification as a smartie, so his gameplan was to impress you with his “thoughtful and intelligent” game. Then, once your outermost defense shield was breached, he amped up the haughty arrogance. You got aroused, a natural consequence when a woman is challenged. This is especially true of lawyer chicks and philosophy students such as yourself, who wilt into a puddle of warm vaginal juice when intellectually challenged by a man who is so confident in his opinions he doesn’t feel a need to justify them. He just irrationally assumes he is the most learned man in the world.

In the sexual marketplace where men sell themselves and women browse the bazaar for the best deals, irrational confidence beats rational doubt every time. EVERY TIME.

By the third date, I was having unprotected sex with him (completely out of character), and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women.

You sound like you could be one of my exes.

He wasn’t classically Alpha, in the sense that he didn’t play the aloof game. He would text me countless times in a day, call me at all times, and suggested, after only the second date, I stay over at his place to be able to greet him when coming home.

If a man has enough alpha cred in reserve, he can get away with what you wrote here. A man overflowing with arrogant confidence can risk these normally game-killing maneuvers and still come out on top. A clue as to why he can do this is in the last few words you wrote: “I stay over at his place to be able to greet him when coming home”. He is issuing a command. Your gina tingles for dominant men issuing commands, so you forgot all about how quickly he was rushing along the courtship.

Maxim #51: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error.

It is also possible, as you mentioned in your email, that your PUA is masterfully manipulating you with “beta provider game“, holding out the promise of a great future together. A classic ploy of a great seducer is to ASSUME THE SALE, which is why his assumption of familiarity and deeper bonding than has yet occurred worked so well on you.

His breed of PUA is clear: He is Sir Stephen, from the novel “Story of O”.

Email #2: “Tips for building a harem”

Heil!

I am 25 and cohabit with my girlfriend whom I knocked up. This is widely known. My female peers (other graduate students) have a habit of asking me “So, how’s your girlfriend?” in the next available conversational lull following even low level flirtation. I’ve taken the question as a brush off or as an opportunity to be a smart ass, depending on how it was said.

In general, what are the implications of a prospective girl asking about an established one?

g.

Heil? So let me get this straight. You live with a chick you knocked up, and you continue flirting with other women as if they were prospects to add to your “established” girl who is carrying your child in her womb. Really, I don’t know what to say, except… well done! You, sir, have been reading the Sixteen Commandments of Poon.

What are the implications of all this? Well, keep in mind the following:

Maxim #20: The gina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations pale in comparison.

When you are flirting with these prospects and turning them on, they forget to care that you’re living with your pregnant girlfriend. Do not be surprised at how far you can take it. You are in a good position for fucking around and, if your game is tight enough, for building a harem of lovers and mothers. Your pregnant live-in girlfriend is utterly beholden to your support right now, so if she catches you cheating she is not likely to walk out. She will suck it up and get turned on by you even more. As an unmarried man with options, you have all the emotional leverage. Push for pregnancy threesomes.

Email #3: “I don’t *feel* like an 8.”

Hey, I sent you the hangover game submission a month or so back, it went well for me, I am still banging one of the girls I met that day, but she’s starting to get a little too testy so it’s on borrowed time.  Thank god I’ve got options and game to spare.

But moving on…game as we know is essential, but in several posts (most recently the one about women’s insecurities) you make note of how women over 8 always need to be negged, 7’s need slight negging and 6’s barely need to be negged at all.  True advice, I’m with you, the neg is a very important tool.

BUT…and this has befallen me several times in my life; what if you have an 8 with self-esteem issues?  You know what I mean, the type of girl who is attractive, but constantly doubts herself and questions why you like her (answer: because she’s hot), shit like that.  An 8 who thinks she’s a 6.  I’ve had mixed results negging these girls; some of them acted like typical self-confident 8’s and loved it, others were just plain offended and never spoke to me again.  Since these girls are (usually) more educated, quieter and more cultured than your typical hot and flaunting it 8’s, they have greater LTR appeal, and I would really like to know how I can step my game up to avoid this situation in the future.

R.

The neg is a fluid concept with results that will vary based on your market value as well as your target’s. Most 8s and above will need to be negged because most men are themselves ranked below 8 (and I don’t mean just based on looks). But men who are 8 and above might find it counterproductive to neg another 8. The same dynamic holds true the lower you go on the mate value scale. If your ranking as a man (taking all factors into consideration) is a 4, and you are hitting on a 6, you will need to neg her. If your ranking is a 9, you will only need to neg the very hottest babes to get your foot in the door. If you are David Alexander or Keith, you will need to neg everyone with a pulse.

A good rule of thumb: The larger the variance between the man’s mate value and the woman’s mate value, the stronger and more often he will need to neg her.

A corollary to the above rule is the Law of Hot Babe Entitlement: The hotter the woman, the less beta weakness she will tolerate in a suitor. What this means is that 8s, 9s and 10s will need at least one mild neg in the form of teasing from even high value men, simply because the hottest women know the value of their scarcity. Most men should be negging 8s and above by default.

(The opposite corollary is the Law of Alpha Man Entitlement: The higher value the man, the less commitment and ugliness he’ll tolerate in his targets.)

There are exceptions, and you listed one in your email. Some hot girls, especially foreign hotties who have immigrated from countries where the average man treated them like shit, don’t have a solid grasp of their sexual power. Hot girls (and by “hot” I use the ISO definition of 8 and higher) who date only assholes also suffer from this low self-esteem problem, as they are used to men treating them as if they were 6s and lower. If you are a high value man, truly low self esteem hot girls may become offended by your negs.

On the flip side, if you are lower status than her, she could become offended because you delivered your neg with a hint of bitterness. Many betas learning game have the most trouble nailing down the concept of the neg and putting it into action. I have seen too many guys deliver their negs with the wrong tone and timing. The neg is based in science, but its execution is an art. If you’re getting a lot of “That was rude!” comments to your negs, you are probably doing something wrong.

Unfortunately, there is no way to consistently predict which hot chicks will react poorly to your negs. You could try qualifying a hot girl — e.g.: “Would you say that you’re creative?” — early in the interaction, to coax out any low self esteem issues. If she reveals her inner basketcase, then hold off on the negs.

Educated hot girls are more likely than low class hot girls to have had LTRs with provider betas. If you are finding that the classy hot chicks you hit on don’t react well to your negs, it may be because they are accustomed to getting their asses kissed by men they dated. Your neg may be too much of a shock to her system, especially if it is based on something about her appearance. Try negging a smart, classy broad on her bloated ego, her sense of entitlement, or her useless humanities degree. (“Oh, you have a women’s studies degree? How cute!”)

The good news is that the exceptions you are encountering are rare. Most girls, including the educated ones, will respond very well to a neg. Your default mode should continue to be “Neg first, ask questions later”, because no matter how much a girl acts offended her pussy will have tingle-tangled when you negged her. They can’t help themselves.

The next time one of these snooty chicks acts offended, don’t backpedal; just ignore her protestations and plow as if her annoyance was irrelevant. Which it is. If she really acts pissed, wordlessly give her the backturn. She was just a bitch itching for a fight.

Email #4: “No skin off my pecker.”

Over the weekend, I opened a mixed group, acknowledged/introduced myself to everyone and started conversation with my targeted blonde.  we chatted for about 3 minutes, when her friends (both male and female) decided I wasnt worthy.  Essentially I was ousted by the group – the blonde dried up and the interaction ended.

My question, is there a tastefully, witty, alpha-like way to eject yourself from a situation like this??

I did leave the set with the “it was nice to meet you” line and immediately opened up another chick within an eyeshot of the first group.

Love the blog – I go under “3point5” when I comment.

Thanks for your insight,
J.

It sounds like you turned your attention to the target too quickly. If I had to guess, I’d say you could’ve stayed in set if you had included everyone else in your conversation longer than you did. Barring that assumption, they just didn’t like you. Even the top alphas can’t expect to win everyone over.

The line you used — “nice to meet you” — is fine. It’s the standard eject line for a busted set. And you reasserted your value by immediately hitting on another girl, so I don’t think you could have played it much better than you did, without sounding like you are trying too hard to rescue a bad situation.

You don’t want to use lines that draw any attention to your banishment by the group, so avoid trying to be humorous by saying stuff like “Well, I can see my jokes aren’t going over so well here!”. Also, don’t sound like a defeated man by saying “Well, I guess I’ll be going.”

If in the future in similar scenarios you want to eject with more alpha oomph than you did here, you could totally ignore your ousters and say directly to the target “I might talk with you when you’re more free.” This is direct and forceful, but also risky. Do not smile when saying it.

Another option would be to simply WALK OFF and say nothing. You’ve got to be perceptive of social dynamics and know when a set is starting to head south, so you give yourself a chance to walk away in silence before it becomes obvious the group is kicking you out.

Your email reminds me that the march of life can be summed up as a quest to save face and to get the upper hand. All done in service to nailing down the best deals we can get in the sexual market. That’s pretty much it, in a nutsack.





Comments


  1. on July 2, 2009 at 2:01 pm ironrailsironweights

    Nothing is more delicious than biting the dingleberries out of an old woman’s hairy asscrack. I like to floss them out with their gray pubes. It’s exhilarating! I suggest everyone try it. Because I am stuck with an old wife, I insist that old women are hot, and anyone lusting after a 28 year old is a pedophile.

    Peter

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  2. on July 2, 2009 at 2:03 pm GNPs are for Apes

    When will this Peter sicko go away?

    He has latent bestial proclivities. He actually wants the woman’s buttocks to be covered in hard, wiry hair too.

    Eeeeeewwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  3. 20 y.o.future DP slut said:…allowed him to take my anal virginity

    lmfao – only a female can come up with shit like this.

    [*] it just keeps getting better and better

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  4. As per usual R, solid advice. Know when to eject, at the very least openly flirt w/Women in the presence of your own, and as you say, Neg first, ask questions later. Indeed, the hotter the dime, the more you neg.

    Good money, man. That’s wassup.

    O

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  5. there’s nothing more pathetic than a guy trying to ingratiate himself to a group, finally figuring out he’s not wanted, then trying to conjur up pity for his own social shortcomings. solid advice on the group ejection…and the reader handled it well too.

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  6. 20 years old, 4 partners= future Samantha on SATC. Or at least Carrie.

    But Carrie, in reality, would never get Mr. Big.

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  7. Quick walk away sounds the best to me; chicks are very sensitive to silence as a social cue. But the nice to meet you seems more charitable.

    Walking away confidently in silence is more of an affront than saying anything; I always note how women get extremely upset if so-and-so sees them and fails to greet them at all. So if you want more punishment, I would say say nothing.

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  8. “I always note how women get extremely upset if so-and-so sees them and fails to greet them at all.”

    haha, yeah.

    Her: “OMG, why didn’t you come say hi?”

    Me (internally); “Cuz bitch, you’re annoying.”

    Me (outwardly): “Oh, I just ran into some friends and got distracted, how are you?”

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  9. Where can I find Roissy’s Maxims laid out neatly and in order?

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  10. “According to studies, the median number of lifetime sex partners for American women is three (so really, it’s six, since we have to double whatever number women claim it is).”

    Not sure if I really buy these “median numbers”.

    Really it only matters what the average number of partners for fly girls is.

    If a fly girl at age 20 has ran into (so to speak) 10 G’s with Game, (which no doubt she has) they she will have 10 partners easy.

    – MPM

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  11. Ovid

    “Where can I find Roissy’s Maxims laid out neatly and in order?”

    Your local library?

    Obviously, http://roissy.wordpress.com would be the first place to check, and since they are not “laid out neatly and in order” I think you are out of luck.

    Or you can wait for the book.

    – MPM

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  12. on July 2, 2009 at 2:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Roissy,
    In the sexual marketplace where men sell themselves and women browse the bazaar for the best deals, irrational confidence beats rational doubt every time. EVERY TIME.””””””””””””’

    Oh yea.

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  13. lurker wrote:

    I always note how women get extremely upset if so-and-so sees them and fails to greet them

    yep. They also pout, act like nothing’s happened and play the “Ignoring Game”

    even bett3r, than males

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  14. on July 2, 2009 at 2:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””Roissy Maxim #51: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error.

    It is also possible, as you mentioned in your email, that your PUA is masterfully manipulating you with “beta provider game“, holding out the promise of a great future together. A classic ploy of a great seducer is to ASSUME THE SALE, which is why his assumption of familiarity and deeper bonding than has yet occurred worked so well on you.””””””

    Yup assume the chick wants to sleep with you when you get that eye contact thing going.

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  15. G, median is a misleading number, of course. But there are several contradictory things:

    1) Women lie. Some women will lie and claim virginity till marriage.

    2) Feminazis will lie the other way, and claim more, to “even out” with men.

    3) Those in control of the media—feminazis– will crow the loudest about havign a lot of partners and sex, thus making it appear as if more people are having sex.

    4) There are a lot of religious people in America who genuinely do remain virgins till marriage; they seldom respond to survesy about sexuality, as it is, for them, a deeply private matter.

    An interesting set up would be to find the mean, median, and mode of # of partners for a female. If the 3 are similar, and we account for virgins not talking about sex, then we have a better picture.

    Mode (and secondary and tertiary mode) might be most telling; I think the secondary or tertiary mode would be 0, as there are a ton of virgins, though not in major cities.

    But Roissy is right: if I found a 20 year old with 4 partners, I would immediately know she was headed for a lifetime of pump and dumps.

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  16. Firepwoer, pout is key.

    And since in this example we would want to hurt them, and know that it would hurt them, it would be irrelevant that they would try to pretend that nothing happened, since we want nothing more to do with them.

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  17. if the population sample in the sexual-partners survey was the whole country, then the median number of partners is very likely to be skewed generationally: older women with 1 or so, younger with more. i wonder if the original survey reflected this in the fine print – probably so.

    I never get over this, the mystery, stupidity and illogic of it:

    “I perceived it as a challenge, and it created an erotic situation. I slept with him on the second date.”

    Created an erotic situation. Uh-huh. Being a straight-up asshole.

    my gut says this only works on a subset of women, maybe a pretty big subset, who are more submissive, have low self-esteem, whatever. primed to be treated badly and enjoy it for some reason.

    but i’m obviously wrong.

    note that this is different from a neg, which is a teasing compliment, and should be executed in a friendly, playful, basically respectful manner. that i get and can do well.

    but pure asshole game? alien to me, not congruent. i couldn’t make it work because i’m basically nice.

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  18. When it comes to group rejections from now on I’ll just moon walk away. (inspired by roissys michael jackson suicide post)

    Roissy any advice on picking up a lesbian? I met one trought a chick and the fourth thing i noticed was she had a fuckin rainbow bracelet. So i asked the chick (not the lesbian) is she gay? She gave me a YES(they were friends). I may never see her again (we did a group clubbing thing) but if I ever meet another lesbian, how could i better my chances at closing? she wasn’t a typical fat short haired lesbian. she had a nice curvybody, long curly black hair, decent face, and she played soccer(!) i know i know..that female testosterone ratio finger shit.

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  19. When it comes to group rejections from now on I’ll just moon walk away.

    Only if you do the spin, kick, and crotch grab/thrust.

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  20. collegeboy, ever hear of the phrase “GWU” (gay while undergrad) or “college lesbian?”

    Girls in their teens and early 20s (and sometimes longer) pretend to be gay for political/social reasons. Really, some strict feminist theory demands it.

    Especially in college, where girls are away from home and prone to the cult-group-think of feminism, they becoem short term lesbians. Mostly, its out of a fear of men and deliberate work by hardcore lesbians.

    If you’re both in college, and she is feminine in appearance, she isn’t gay, just running with it as a rebellion/identity thing.

    The best way to gauge her is to see if she seems happy with her partner. She’s probably massively paranoid of a man “raping” her, so she’ll run back to the horde if scared. I have no other advice beyond that (not an expert), so Roissy et al. can be more detailed.

    P.S. this is why the whole “born gay” meme that homosexualist propaganda pushes is just a joke. Anyone can be made gay or straight; it’s all about conditioning.

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  21. G:

    I thought there might be a link on the site somewhere that I overlooked.Like the one for “The Sixteen Commandments of Poon”.Or maybe an old post.Thanks anyway.

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  22. @collegeboy – uh, it occurred to you that you’re fundamentally barking up the wrong tree, right? lesbians DON’T GO FOR MEN. unless you want to invent sperm-donor game.

    you may be thinking that she’s really bi and/or would get a thrill out of converting her – a modern equivalent of the victorians who used to get a special erotic charge out of reforming prostitutes or fallen women. i’d think even that is a long shot and not worth a run.

    it could be a dodge, like fake wedding rings to keep men away – but that’s highly unlikely too.

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  23. collegeboy

    “any advice on picking up a lesbian?”

    I know you didn’t ask me, but I will weigh in.

    I have swooped a few.

    All with the same tactic.

    Play it like Ali did against Foreman.

    Rope-a-dope, and act like you are just a friend. (Not long term, too much of a waste of time…same night.)

    Isolate, then go in for the kill.

    – MPM

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  24. Mo, most lesbians aren’t lesbians. observe G.

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  25. maurice:

    “my gut says this only works on a subset of women, maybe a pretty big subset, who are more submissive, have low self-esteem, whatever. primed to be treated badly and enjoy it for some reason.”

    This.

    I have a maxim: “You must be an asshole with ALL women some of the time, and with SOME women all of the time.”

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  26. single mom:
    THAT is a question a smart woman NEVER answers.

    she doesn’t have to. most sluts have tells that men recognize:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/its-easy-to-identify-a-slut/

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  27. on July 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””’He was a 24 year old budding lawyer; I am a philosophy student, so I held my argument fairly well, but in spite of what I said, he would be altogether dismissive without substantiating his claims. Normally, this would infuriate me, but I perceived it as a challenge, and it created an erotic situation. I slept with him on the second date.

    By the third date, I was having unprotected sex with him (completely out of character), and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women. He wasn’t classically Alpha, in the sense that he didn’t play the aloof game. He would text me countless times in a day, call me at all times, and suggested, after only the second date, I stay over at his place to be able to greet him when coming home.’
    ”””””””””””””””””’

    Not really asshole just ignoring what she said about like shit tests. Way to go. She prob said something like all woman are the sun. he ignored and kept talking about how he was the sun.

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  28. No offense to the 20 year old, but none of my friends had racked up four partners by age 20. But they also all eventually went over 3. I can’t imagine who sticks to 3, unless you get married young or are a total prude and/or religious. Lurker’s points are a good start to the list of reasons why I think an accurate count is impossible.

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  29. on July 2, 2009 at 3:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea when a man tells a woman 32 partners woman is like cool and gets hot.

    When a woman tells a man 32 partners after fucking her guy is like ok riiiigghhhtt not ltr material.

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  30. yeah, and the only way to get an LTR if you have been a skank is 3 fold:

    1) Everything you ever did for men in the past you will do for your man now, but doubly so. Any threesomes are now foursomes; let him fuck your best friend before? now he gets your sister/mom/cousin and best friend; sex in airplane bathroom? now its sex in the first class seats; etc.

    2) You will never even look at another cock again.

    3) he gets to cheat. constantly.

    Deal with it or die alone.

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  31. Completely off topic, and completely shameless.

    But I’m sorry, I’m just real happy and, well, proud.

    Bhetti ACED her med school finals. Way up from last year.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/june-2009-beta-of-the-month/#comment-99012

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  32. (Identifying myself as writer of the first e-mail)
    I’m actually of 75% ethnic Indian descent, and 25% ethnic Spanish descent, which judging by the U.S. median, and stacked up against a cultural median, would mean I’m well into “slut territory”. Considering I lost my virginity at 16, I have been averaging one partner a year, which I suspect will taper off at this point, merely for the sake of not racking up a larger number. I also live in the most socially insular city in North America (Toronto).

    Being inherently in asshole is never attractive to me. In order to get away with being an asshole it has to be justifable by external standards, not only self-confidence. The PUA mentioned in my e-mail was not only financially successful, with a stable career, but was by most objective standards, very intelligent & well-rounded. Blowing hot air, and being arrogant without merit, means nothing when you have nothing to show for it.

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  33. I thought those kinds of “lesbians” were called LUGs: Lesbians until graduation.

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  34. Experimental suggestion (if one could ever get this many guys together to do it):

    Get 20 aspiring PUA’s together to go into a local hotspot on a night with average traffic, and neg the living shit out of the women there, with nobody attempting to close, but acting as if they want to move on to more “interesting” stuff—–thus leaving all the women there feeling like a guy (or 2 or even 3 guys) tested them that night, but found them wanting.

    Later that night, about 3 hours later, have 20 more PUA go in there and just run “cocky&funny” and see how many could not only number close, but hook-up.

    Why do I think digits might flow, and even a few panties come off, in higher numbers than usual? I bet after bruising those egoes some, and pounding the waterline of that artificial girlz-pwr self esteem, psychologically those women would be much more insecure than they had been in years……………………….provided that they’d even stay in the same venue after being negged by 2 to 3 different men multiple times that night.

    If there could be an “open conspiracy” amongst men to help each other get laid more often, I dont think one could come up with a much better one than supporting the practice of aggressively negging women, especially women one knows they have no chance with (so you can really spice it up and outright insult them for personal amusement), “I know a good dermatologist that could help you with those acne scars……………..Oh, Im sorry, your pores are just that big”.

    “Youre really good at putting on a lot of make-up and carrying it off well, I liked that 80’s-look”.

    “Tell me where did you get that hair color”

    “Your nose is distinguished and aqualine, just like our dear departed Michael Jacksons”

    “They say grapefruit oil is good for reducing cellulite” (to “voluptious” women)

    If guys sat down with pencil and paper………………..they could probably think of several good zingers for curvy women, thin women, women with so-so skin, women with short hair, women with long hair, women heavily made-up, women hardly made-up at all, women in dresses, women in tight pants (jeans and slacks), women with small/large noses, small/large chins/, negs bases on eye color of insufficiently arresting eyes “I cant tell what color your eyes are………..greenish-pewter-maybe?”, negs based on jewelry choices (big earrings, no earrings, large necklaces, small necklaces), negs based on who their friends are/aren’t/ their occupation/silly “studies” degrees (Youre dad actually paid hard-earned money so you could study WHAT?).

    I mean after you have been blown out in a set…………….you might as well butter her up for someone else right? It would be fun to boot.

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  35. There seems to be a rather schizophrenic take among Roissy et al. regarding how long a woman waits before sleeping with a man. Here, a 20 year old with four partners is careening rapidly toward a life of pseudo-prostitution. Yet elsewhere, Roissy has written that he can not be bothered with women who won’t fuck after three dates. So, in essence, the “good women” (i.e. those who are relationship/marriage material based on their sexual purity and “romantic” notions of love/sex) that are held up as examples to shame their skanky sisters are simultaneously too “high maintenance” and “entitled” because they choose to withhold their sexual affection. Men on this blog feel entitled to sex as quickly as possible with little effort (indeed, it has been distilled to a seven hour science) and are encouraged to keep as many women “on hand” as possible to diminish the attachment to any one. Yet it is a biological fact that sexual choosiness is the very essence of the female’s survival and, from her perspective, is eminently rational. Why is it that you prefer the very women that you decry as sluts? Granted, with no desire to marry, there is no incentive to seek out the “good” ones, yet you criticize them almost equally with the sluts.

    I find myself equally perplexed by the discussion of date paying etiquette that is linked from this post. Going back to the biological argument, a man who pays on a date is demonstrating both his interest as well as his ability to “provide” for a potential mate and offspring. Men initially must bring “more to the table” because the risk/rewards of the interaction are exponentially skewed in their favor. If you accept that men are by definition the hunters, then why try to transform women into equals on that playing field by expecting them to pay for the date? This naturally correlates with attractiveness because more men want to date a 9 than a 5, so the competition for her affection will be more fierce and thus she will be more accustomed to lavish treatment. Why should not the effort expended be commensurate with the level of reward?

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  36. @ roissy

    Median is a terrible way to judge the number of sexual partners in a country where a LOT of people are severely religious.

    SRSLY.

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  37. @S.- well, first, thanks for dropping into the thread to talk about your experience. so can you shed some light? what specifically about the dude turned you on, if he was flat-out dissing you on the intellectual-argument front? is he unusually good-looking? is that he has a little money and career sucess which is appealing to a poor college student? why did you comply when he started telling you what to do?

    i know that it’s pretty geeky and unnatural to break down attraction this way, and that girls *really* don’t like to talk about it. but if there’s a place for that, it’s here.

    “it created an erotic situation.” how?

    i suspect what you’ll say, if anything, will read as a justification of why you went for an asshole, not a description of him in a fundamentally different way.

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  38. on July 2, 2009 at 4:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    oh shit z talking about straight up war and sending in shock troops. Hell yea.

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  39. on July 2, 2009 at 4:36 pm totalesturns

    Off-topic in this thread, but relevant to the ongoing conversation:

    One couple in Sweden decided to take that logic a few steps further, and are refusing to tell anyone whether their toddler is a boy or a girl.

    The child — called Pop in Swedish papers to protect his or her identity — is now two-and-a-half-years-old, and only a handful of close relatives (those who have changed the child’s diaper) know the sex. Pop’s parents, who are both 24, say they made this decision in the hope of freeing their child from the artificial construct of gender.

    http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/keeping-the-sex-of-a-toddler-secret/?hp

    From the NYSWPLT, natch.

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  40. (Identifying myself as writer of the first e-mail)
    I’m actually of 75% ethnic Indian descent, and 25% ethnic Spanish descent, which judging by the U.S. median, and stacked up against a cultural median, would mean I’m well into “slut territory”. Considering I lost my virginity at 16, I have been averaging one partner a year, which I suspect will taper off at this point, merely for the sake of not racking up a larger number. I also live in the most socially insular city in North America (Toronto).

    Being inherently in asshole is never attractive to me. In order to get away with being an asshole it has to be justifable by external standards, not only self-confidence. The PUA mentioned in my e-mail was not only financially successful, with a stable career, but was by most objective standards, very intelligent & well-rounded. Blowing hot air, and being arrogant without merit, means nothing when you have nothing to show for it.

    In summary, he had what we like to call, tight game.

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  41. Lurker,

    If most lesbians were really gay………………….I dont think so many strap-on dildos would be sold. I mean really, if they dont want a cock inside of them……..why would they buy sex toys with male genitalia (I mean, we can infer that men who already have penises aren’t buying strap-on anything right?, so its got to be the penis-less who buy the strap on dildos correct?).

    Most the lesbians Ive seen in my life were butch-fat-very-plain gals who couldn’t get a guy who wasn’t very homely at best, and probably got sick of nobody ever chatting them up……………………..so as a default position, go lesbo. Formerly fairly attractive “voluptious” women who get fat, also seem to dawdle in lesbianism.

    Those young college girls doing the “play” lesbian thing will assuredly someday regret wasting their most attractive years, when they could have snagged the highest quality men they could have ever have obtained, by making a political statement with their lives and listening to awful music. I guess those are the chicks who use daddy’s credit card to buy all those strap-ons.

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  42. NonAbsolut: I agree with most of what you’re saying. I think most women also often feel schizophrenic in their approach to dating/flirting/sex resulantly. The guy I wrote about in my e-mail ascribed to the 3-date rule, but I only found this out after I had slept with him. I would have regretted losing his interest had I not known this. I don’t want to be perceived as too prudish or chaste, but I don’t want to be a “slut” either. I dress tastefully, and I don’t tend to advertise my sexuality, which to me seems like somewhat of a compromise.

    Maurice: He was very attractive (and also very aware of that), and extremely intelligent, not necessarily in a super-specialized way. That was the basis of attraction. Being arrogant about his views created erotic tension because it allowed for an intense, and passionate exchange to occur. It’s also playful in a certain light. Tension tends to charge a situation, generally and sexually. I consider myself reasonably intelligent in a non-confrontational way, but I still find that a lot of men tend to pander to my views, leaving me unchallenged and bored.

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  43. Your nose is distinguished and aqualine, just like our dear departed Michael Jacksons

    Thats a 10hb destroyer material right there!

    I’ll take all advice with a little grain of salt. Z post made alot of sense on something i though about later. Esp “lesbians” bangin each other with strap-ons. Clearly some subconsious shit is going on with their real desires.

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  44. “Those young college girls doing the “play” lesbian thing will assuredly someday regret wasting their most attractive years”

    No, they won’t. Their unawareness of having screwed up their long term hopes will be the only source of bliss in their endless days amongst their cats.

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  45. Z, totally hear you man. But even worse is that true alphas will ignore them as LTR types once they find out about the faux-lesbian thing. No girl worth her salt changes her sexuality based on an obiovusly empty trend. Such shallow values reek of a flakey unfaithful pump and dump.

    its kind of like when you find out a girl has “gone ghetto” and slept with a black guy just to “find out if the myths are real.” It’s not popular to say outloud, but NAMs and whtie guys agree and nod to each other when we hear of those ones—kick those bitches to the curb.

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  46. sorry, obviously not NAMs, but non-NAMS, or maybe just AMs. You know, Asian Minorities.

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  47. @DTH – yeah, tight game, but i’m interested in hearing how that looked from the female side in this case. in addition to the analysis above.

    @S. OK, understood. but you wouldn’t have jumped into bed with just *any* good looking and confident guy after a heated discussion about philosophy – would you? you said you weren’t a slut. (roissy did, but i kind of understand your youthful stage of life and perspective.) unless this dude cleverly moved the conversation into sex, which he probably did. you suggest that just having strong views that didn’t pander to you made the difference- but again, that seems pretty common, and necessary but not sufficient for immediate ass-fucking. why this guy and not somebody else? @all- i think i have an idea of the answers, of course, but am somewhat interested to see this articulated.

    @z, collegeboy – uh, i don’t think it’s as simple as that.

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  48. @ maurice

    “@z, collegeboy – uh, i don’t think it’s as simple as that.”

    For realz, yo. I don’t have time to type a lengthy treatise, as I’m tied up with browser speed-testing, but SRSLY.

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  49. S —

    Thanks for commenting. I think most younger, middle class women lose their virginity around 16, and average about one guy per year. Probably S is on the LOWER end of the scale, the lifetime of three includes women pre-pill, pre-condom, who were active in the 1940’s-50’s. Or even 1960’s (Baby Boom) where MOST people were not at Woodstock, but getting married. Don’t forget, the tail end of the 1960’s elected Nixon. Twice.

    Probably more likely would be three partners in HS, one to lose the virginity, one short-term fling, one long term. Probably about eight in college (ltr and drunken flings). Bringing to 11 the number at start of post-College life. Then you’re looking at about two per year, but more likely a LTR, followed by fling or cheat at the same time. Bringing about 31 or so by age 32. That’s reality. Also the idea that divide a man’s claimed sex partners by three, and multiply a woman’s claimed sex partners by the same number. IF (I have no idea if it is) the case then S would have not four but 12 partners (not out of line with what’s possible) and the guy around 11-12 or so. Making them roughly equal.

    Bottom line: it’s easier for women to have sex, if they are at all attractive, and the earlier women start having sex, often in the mid teens, the more partners they rack up (shown by the Heritage Foundation report on the Family).

    Oh, and religious girls have just as much sex as anyone else. You’ll see the same girls in the bar on Saturday and the church on Sunday.

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  50. Median is a very useful number when comparing across men and women. For instance, take this CDC study from a couple years ago. it was touted for being better at accounting for inflation of men’s sexual partner numbers and the deflation of women’s. i guess the study was done anonymously, without an interviewer asking the questions so as not to cause pressure to answer untruthfully, i don’t know.

    anyway,

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad384.pdf

    the study finds that *of people who have had sex at least once*, men have a median of 7 partners while women have a median of 4, but obviously their averages have to be equal.

    This indicates that there are a good many men that have racked up lots and lots of partners compared to women. This isn’t really anything new, it merely reinforces the well-known fact that alpha men get a lot of action.

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  51. @whiskey:

    “Bottom line: it’s easier for women to have sex, if they are at all attractive, and the earlier women start having sex, often in the mid teens, the more partners they rack up (shown by the Heritage Foundation report on the Family).”

    They don’t even have to be that attractive, and a lot of people start sex even sooner than that. A couple of years ago I heard a huuuuge group of girls talking about all the sex partners they had, and I felt somewhat distressed about it. I think the first thing that popped to my head was,”WHY?”

    I’m not going to judge or be rude to these people; hey, it was their decision to make. but one of the reasons I chose not to lose my virginity at 14 was emotional maturity (or lack thereof).

    And obviously, the longer someone is sexually active, the more partners they have had. If they start it, and they like it, they’re going to keep doing it, obviously. And if the guy won’t stick around, they’ll find another.

    :/

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  52. @Whiskey, unrelated topic- was it Tulane MBA? you indicated you lived in NO for a while …

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  53. @ whiskey

    “You’ll see the same girls in the bar on Saturday and the church on Sunday.”

    I was always in the bar on Saturday and in church on Sunday.

    But that didn’t mean I was having ALL TEH SEX.

    SRSLY, though, my family is super-duper Southern Baptist (well, my dad’s side is Lutheran), and there are a lot more good little girls and boys out there than you think. Not some huge majority, but more than you think.

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  54. Yeah, I never quite understood all the slut-shaming that happens in these forums, when it seems PUA types NEED sluts to rack up the high number counts they want. Most sweet young virgins aren’t out in clubs seeking alpha assholes with cocky-funny game for same night lays. I feel like a lot of younger guys are heading down the rabbit hole here, thinking they can play the game as long as possible and then automatically find a sweet, submissive 20 year old for LTR when they’re ready. Why would she want you when she can find a successful guy closer to her own age who hasn’t slept with 200 people already? I think many of these guys are more likely to end up as those sad 40-something “players” sleazing up on younger girls at the club and getting laughed at. I saw these guys all the time in college and they were like the male version of aging cougars. Their pickup skills may have gotten them tons of women when they were younger, but there was nothing else there and it became pitifully transparent as they aged. Even Casanova knew when to quit.

    Basically, if you’re looking for an endless supply of horny virgins, try being a suicide bomber. Otherwise, it seems your average bar slut and your average PUA have a lot more in common than anyone, even Roissy, wants to admit. If the women you share your bed with are sluts whom you consider worthless except for “unlubed anal sex” or whatever, what does that make you? PUAs want to look down on the sluts but to everyone else, they look like the exact same animal with different genitalia. There’s nothing wrong with learning game but focusing on it to the detriment of other aspects of your soul and personality is a trap.

    Whew, didn’t mean for all this to come out at once. I mean no disrespect to anyone here with my comments, and I’m sure there are plenty of points I missed. Maybe it’s just my religious upbringing coming to the surface, but it seems like there is an emptiness and futility at the center of this seduction game, and both men and women suffer the effects. It just shows up faster and harder in women

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  55. @ kalliope

    “I feel like a lot of younger guys are heading down the rabbit hole here, thinking they can play the game as long as possible and then automatically find a sweet, submissive 20 year old for LTR when they’re ready.”

    True story.

    I think most of these guys will find “the girl” to settle down with. I also think that a lot of them won’t recognize her in the midst of everything else, i.e. their lifestyles, and miss the opportunity.

    You get used to getting what you want from these girls who give you what you want, and then you pass up a quality girl because she won’t put out immediately, or she requires some sort of commitment, or something.

    You can’t play the same game forever. Well, I guess you can. But do you want to?

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  56. @LILGRL:

    That’s so true.

    One of my guy friend’s is waiting until marriage. Doesn’t mean he’s beta, he’s anything but.

    But that’s just what he’s gonna do.

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  57. He’s your friend?

    Then he is. Mos Def.

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  58. @lurker:

    Not a friend as much as a brother in Christ.

    But that sounds cheesey.

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  59. @kalliope- well said. but, here’s the flaw in your point:

    “Why would she want you when she can find a successful guy closer to her own age who hasn’t slept with 200 people already?”

    — a lot of girls like older guys (not too much, 5-10 years) because they are more mature, stable, ready for commitment, socially proofed, richer, etc. guys that are young (early 20s) are usually pretty immature and not interested in/ready for LTRs.

    — slept with 200 girls? social proof. desirable. knows what to do in the sack. alpha. young girls marry guys like this ALL THE TIME.

    you’re equating female with male attraction and behaviors. an alpha guy can whore around and then marry his madonna; slutty girls usually don’t want to settle for a provider beta, even when one would clearly be good for her.

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  60. @mandy- oh please, tell us you’re not *that* relgious type and hanging around here…? really? talk about your cognitive dissonance…

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  61. on July 2, 2009 at 6:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””kalliope
    Yeah, I never quite understood all the slut-shaming that happens in these forums, when it seems PUA types NEED sluts to rack up the high number counts they want. Most sweet young virgins aren’t out in clubs seeking alpha assholes with cocky-funny game for same night lays. ””””””””””””””””

    It is not only the club though. You can pick up woman anywhere if you want to. Shit my pick ups over 21 day period not one was in a club unless you count when I took my wife there.

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  62. @LILGRL- actually, that’s true. both sexes kind of make the same error, but i notice it more in women, because the aging/attrativeness curve is much steeper. people screw around, date around, move around, for years- then, one day, they wake up and realize they aren’t paired off, are going to be alone. so they marry THE NEXT SCHLUB WHO COMES ALONG. regardless of how many much-better guys she may have rejected in the past. power of the biological alarm clock. men have something similar going on, but can be choosier as they age because of the unfair asymmetry alluded to above.

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  63. @maurice:

    HAHAHA no.

    I’m not.

    I was just trying to say that he’s a friend as in someone I look to for guidance.

    But I’m not THAT conservative.

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  64. @ maurice

    Yes, I agree. My point was regarding PUA’s specifically, though, not just men in general. I would imagine it’s easy to get sucked into the lifestyle, especially if you’re a guy with some natural game to begin with.

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  65. kallippy

    …Basically if …women … are sluts …worthless except for “unlubed anal sex” or whatever…

    love the review. saved your blurb. especially, like, the part, where you use, like “basically” even when you write.

    Nothing soooo tiresome
    as a Womyn’s Studies 101
    JC dyke
    rehashing the same tired shit from 1968

    lurker

    http://www.theonion.com/content/news/lesbian_identity_ends_abruptly_mid

    meh, see above lurky: college girls are repetitive, predictable drudges who think each sentence of Feminist Propaganda is fresh and new, designed to open the eyes like Christ’s Miracles, of each (male only) component of The Unwashed Masses.

    They are missionaries for a Religion of fools. college girls are insufferable nags, scolds and ballbusters.

    The only good thing: how they look naked.

    Q:
    Why did Jesus give college girls tight bodies?

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  66. Kalliope raises some good points. But, first, Roissy believes that marriage is for suckers because women are inherently traitorous, so he is always going to wind up old and alone (or perhaps being the last sexually active man standing in the nursing home) and second he isn’t going to pay for the retirement of another ex-wife.

    at least that’s the vibe I got.

    Third, the first two points arise because of the downfall of traditional culture. Precious treasures like MandyXD are rare, pure and who knows…maybe even faithful. On the other hand, predator sluts abound and Roissy is encouraging men to not be suckers, women of a certain moral character between the age of 20-32 are ripe for the picking before they hit the wall. I suppose us older guys could head to UMCP and hang out at a college bar hitting on college skanks, but that’s not really the point. The modern city is full of girls just out of college, and what I quickly learned when I graduated from college is that college girls (who spent two years binge drinking) are fat.

    Normal people would disagree, of course, but they aren’t rolling in Brioni suits with a bucket of e-tabs.

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  67. @ askjoe, et al

    “Roissy is encouraging men to not be suckers”

    This is a good point.

    “The modern city is full of girls just out of college, and what I quickly learned when I graduated from college is that college girls (who spent two years binge drinking) are fat.’

    Just FYI, not all big-city college girls are fat alcoholic shit-testing crazy liberal sluts, au contraire to what our dear host might have you believe.

    “Normal people would disagree, of course, but they aren’t rolling in Brioni suits with a bucket of e-tabs.”

    SRSLY!

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  68. on July 2, 2009 at 6:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Whew, didn’t mean for all this to come out at once. I mean no disrespect to anyone here with my comments, and I’m sure there are plenty of points I missed. Maybe it’s just my religious upbringing coming to the surface, but it seems like there is an emptiness and futility at the center of this seduction game, and both men and women suffer the effects. It just shows up faster and harder in women”””””””’

    Don’t be jealous that men can last their whole life if they want to.

    Reality not everyone does want to have 200 partners or 10,000.

    People are different.

    What pua sites like this does is allow men to have choices. They can figure out what kind of woman they want and have the experience to choose accordingly. They get to pick rather than just being so excited because they finally got one that they ignore some telltale signs that she is not the right one for them. They don’t need to hang around the chicks house cleaning her dishes and doing shit work in the hope of relanding a woman that broke up with them because they realize that they can find other woman. They realize that there are a shitload of woman out there. They realize that their probably is another one that is right for them.

    Then of course sometimes you do land the perfect woman and still want more but also want to stay with the one you have. Thems the breaks.

    People have different wants and needs. Secret is to understanding yourself and applying the knowledge to get what you need.

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  69. so, slut shaming isn’t antithetical to the community (although, from what I have read, there are some twits who target relationships). It also restores some normalcy into interactions between the sexes…and between women in general. I have a theory that most women do what the AFOG does…so for example, once the alphagirl in a group has sex, the rest all do the same. Or if one starts spouting fourth wave feminist dogma, they all do. Everyone benefits if the AFOG is kept in line.

    Who is having sex with 200 girls? It’s the naturals. I’ve seen it. Maybe members of the community are too. Who knows, but the naturals I’ve known are now married…and some are even happy.

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  70. on July 2, 2009 at 6:33 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Just FYI, not all big-city college girls are fat alcoholic shit-testing crazy liberal sluts, au contraire to what our dear host might have you believe.

    Thank you for stating the obvious LilG.

    SRSLY! LOL

    Just FYI, the exceptions to the rule…PROVE the rule.

    There are more than enough of them out there to make the generalized stereotype accepted as quite common.

    If you’re not one of those, than revel in your exceptional uniqueness.

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  71. on July 2, 2009 at 6:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    “Why would she want you when she can find a successful guy closer to her own age who hasn’t slept with 200 people already?”

    Woman do not have a problem with a guy who has slept with a 100 people it puts a tingle in there vaj because you have been super proofed.

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  72. oh yeah, gun, good point. Game can at least help a normal guy meet a girl he would otherwise let walk by in real life. If you are a nihilist like our host, then yeah, hedonism ho!

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  73. gunny, that was beautiful.

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  74. @ Dave from Hawaii

    “Thank you for stating the obvious LilG.”

    Heh.

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  75. on July 2, 2009 at 6:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Maurice,
    you’re equating female with male attraction and behaviors. an alpha guy can whore around and then marry his madonna; slutty girls usually don’t want to settle for a provider beta, even when one would clearly be good for
    her.”””””””””””””””””””””

    Maurice is on it. But I would go further and say that after 200 he knows when he has a good one.

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  76. (@gunny- point before last)

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  77. Maurice: No, not all men pander to my opinions or views, but aforementioned PUA had the triad of intelligence, good-looks, and humour underscored by a comforting sort of arrogance. I think that’s rarer than you might think to come by. He also did, in retrospect, have very tight game. After finding out the number of women he’s been with, I was well too aware that I didn’t really stand a chance.

    Whiskey: I think you make a good point about it being easy to have sex as a heterosexual female. It’s not fair or proprtional if women have an astronomically low number of sex partners relative to their male counterparts. Even “BBW”s and “ugly girls” get hit on a fair bit, so imagine the attention reasonably to very attractive women get. I’m assuming heterosexual males don’t get picked up nearly as often. Women have to ward off at least ten times the number of men, but are expected to sleep with merely a few in their lifetimes.

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  78. on July 2, 2009 at 6:47 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Women have to ward off at least ten times the number of men, but are expected to sleep with merely a few in their lifetimes.

    Expected by who? Expectations vary greatly here.

    If YOU want to be one of the women that is considered worthy for LTR/Marriage material, than yes. Is that what you want for yourself? Than that is your own expectations that you should consider before you jump into bed with each new partner.

    This is where Feminism has lead so many women astray.

    They’ve got you all to ignore the realities of opportunity costs…that you can have it all!

    This is the very heart of the deception feminism has inflicted on modern day women.

    Generally speaking (SRSLY), you just CAN’T:

    – Have multiple sex partners and not have it affect your suitability for a LTR/Marriage. From the males judgment of your suitability based on your past history to your own abilities to bond, promiscuity does indeed have lifelong consequences.

    – Have a full time career and raise a family of kids just fine…your focus will have to benefit one at the expense of the other. There is no way around that.

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  79. @S.- thanks for responding, and for being a good sport about having an episode from your sex life up on the web. although by e-mailing it in to this site you probably knew what you were up for. new info: you knew that you didn’t stand a chance. for an ltr, i suppose. was this before or after the sex?

    hang in there, kiddo- you don’t seem particularly self-aware, but are maybe kinda sweet. hopefully the sex was good, and you learned something from the expeience and the discussion to help you in the future.

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  80. kallipe sets up a straw man

    “we hate women we brand sluts bla blah”

    I, am quite fond of sluts

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  81. @ S.

    “After finding out the number of women he’s been with, I was well too aware that I didn’t really stand a chance.”

    Hmm.

    Imagine where I’d be, had I such a defeatist attitude…

    Be that girl. You always have a chance.

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  82. You should do more articles on negging. It seems to be your basic go-to tactic, and have often talked about what it isn’t, but haven’t really described what it is, much less how to manufacture negs that really hit home.

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  83. whiskey, there was this small study done with regards to male and female lying about the number of sex partners. They had three groups. One was asked to fill out the questionnaire, the second filled it out and was told that it was totally anonymous, the third was told that it was anonymous and that they were hooked up to lie detectors.

    Turns out, guys pretty much tell the truth. Women lie through their teeth.

    So, to be all scientific and stuff, definitely multiply by 2 at a minimum.

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  84. @Dave:

    – “Have a full time career and raise a family of kids just fine…your focus will have to benefit one at the expense of the other. There is no way around that.”

    This applies to men too.

    Although, interestingly enough, I know of some families in which the mothers choose to stay at home and raise the young ones because babysitters and day cares are so expensive, they’d use up all the money that the mother would make if she were working. In those cases, it made more financial sense for a family member (usually the mother) to stay home.

    I kind of feel bad for the families that have both parents working 12-14 hours out of financial necessity. That must be really, really rough.

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  85. Here’s a good example of why NOT to get married.

    her “1st mommys day”

    with a new beta chump

    http://www.myspace.com/kinkymomma1

    what a waste of good ass

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  86. on July 2, 2009 at 7:04 pm Dave from Hawaii

    This applies to men too.

    Yes…but for the most part, we men know it.

    There are many, many men that wish they didn’t have to work long hours to pay all the bills. They’d rather be home enjoying time with there kids.

    It is women who by and large have been brainwashed by Feminazi cultural indoctrination that run themselves ragged trying to pursue a career, while trying to be supermom at the same time.

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  87. on July 2, 2009 at 7:05 pm Cliff Arroyo

    @S., Congratulations on recognizing your First Disastrous Sexual Choice (FDSC). Most people have a FDSC in their past. The difference between smart and stupid people is that the latter end up with second and third and more until they’re entire sexual history is nothing but DSC’s.

    My advice is to smarten up and follow a few simple rules:

    1. Never believe anything a man who wants to get into your pants says (this set is roughly equivalent to every straight man you’ll ever meet). Do not trust. Ever. No matter how funny or rich or cool he may seem. He’s lying so he can get into your pants. Male sexuality is fire, a dangerous element that will consume you if you’re not careful.

    2. Don’t listen to your pussy. Making choices of sexual partners primarily (or at all) on that wet feeling below is a one way ticket to over-the-hill worn-out slutdom or single-momhood (see Raine, Lady a frequent and beloved guest here). Women have traditionally been socialized to imagine their pussies didn’t have feelings. Your generation has been socialized into following whatever your pussy tells you to do. Your pussy will lie to you, don’t listen to it.

    3. Remember this: No. You are not some special creature gifted with unique characteristics that a Very Rich and Powerful Man will recognize and reward. You’re not. You’ve already proved that. You’re a normal human female human being who any halfway competent PUA can fool and fuck. You are not special. You’re human. When in doubt see #2.

    4. You have an excellent reason to blueball future prospective sexual partners. “I was really hurt once by giving in too soon, I hope you’ll understand.” You can’t pull this too many times with the same guy but any guy of any quality whatsoever will wait a few more dates.

    The ball is in your court, gain some self-discipline and don’t repeat your mistake or resign yourself to becoming a pump and dump fucktoy. The choice is yours.

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  88. ” march of life can be summed up as a quest to save face and to get the upper hand. All done in service to nailing down the best deals we can get in the sexual market. That’s pretty much it, in a nutsack.”

    I hope others really appreciated that proverbial bit of wisdom. How many Wymyn’s studies textbooks have even that partial-paragraph’s amount of iron truth in them?

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  89. LILGRL

    Hmm.

    Imagine where I’d be, had I such a defeatist attitude…

    eHarmony?

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  90. on July 2, 2009 at 7:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ciff the guy may not be lieing. Maybe she didn’t make the guys cut ever think of that.

    If she had made the cut she might have been in.

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  91. @Dave from Hawaii:

    This is so true. I know one Professor of mine always said he wished he had paternity leave so he could spend more time with his daughter.

    I thought that was super cute.

    @Cliff Arroyo:

    “Your pussy will lie to you, don’t listen to it.”
    This is so true. Just because I’m holding out, or a virgin, doesn’t mean I haven’t ever been attracted to anyone. It’s just a matter of restraint, because I knew that even though I was attracted to that person, he wasn’t worth that sort of involvement. He was annoying, and when he didn’t have a rehearsed script, he wasn’t the best conversationalist.

    Maybe I’m not either, but I’d rather be in a relationship with someone I gel with than have a one night stand with someone I don’t.

    So I deleted his number.

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  92. @ Firepower

    Why, you wanna eMeet Up?

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  93. on July 2, 2009 at 7:19 pm Cliff Arroyo

    Gun, I really doubt if he had a cut beyond “will put out”.

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  94. LILGRL

    @ Firepower

    Why, you wanna eMeet Up?

    thanks anyways. just set up my router while i’m out

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  95. on July 2, 2009 at 7:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””Cliff Arroyo
    Gun, I really doubt if he had a cut beyond “will put out”.”””””””””””””””’

    Dude she got with reminds me of younger me. None of the chicks I was with that I didn’t marry made the cut.

    Your still going from the notion that any woman a guy gets with that gives it up to him automatically means she made his cut just because omg he finally got one.
    Or that guys with multiple partners are only doing it to go through a shitload of pussy. Maybe the first 50 aren’t going to make the cut. Maybe the 51st will.

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  96. on July 2, 2009 at 7:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Although I wouldn’t have told her how many woman I have had back then. he he he

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  97. @ Firepower

    I thought we established I wasn’t AZN enough to do that the right way: with a hanger and some tape

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  98. rly, no thanks. i don’t like the kinky stuff…

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  99. on July 2, 2009 at 7:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””’askjoe
    oh yeah, gun, good point. Game can at least help a normal guy meet a girl he would otherwise let walk by in real life. If you are a nihilist like our host, then yeah, hedonism ho!””””””””””””’

    Are host is into self preservation. That is one of the major problems facing men. The unfair divorce laws that plague the land.

    So all the points we make are overshadowed to a massive extent by these same laws.

    Everything talked about can be placed in frame with the unfair shit and can fuck you up.

    What do ya do though what can ya do.

    Expect more out of your woman so that by the time it rolls around to divorce time or child support time you have already with her built up your little piece of empire enough that the shit is covered in the emergency case.

    Of course while at the same time hoping the one you pick will be the one that when you thought it can’t happen to me it doesn’t.

    Why men absolutely more than ever need choices about the woman they choose.

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  100. For all the ladies here (L’girl especially).

    If you wonder why the tone of so many of the guys is so negative and frankly “pissed off”, keep this in mind:

    We are the first large generation of men who have watched our fathers become economic slaves to our mothers via courts that have ordered him to pay alimony/child support to nagging, bitching, unpleasant mothers for years, even though he was a good guy. If it didn’t happen to our dads, it happened to two or three of our pal’s dads.

    We have also watched friends get married and get left for other men, but have had to pay out the ying-yang for the pleasure in court via child-support/alimony/division of assets/division of retirement…………….and that alimony can dip into whats left of his half of his own goddammed retirement. This has happened to many of my friends and aquaintances.

    Men generally speaking have to initiate the contact with you/face social rejection in front of others by you (at bars and house parties), in order to have the pleasure of risking his financial life if you convince him you are in love with him/willing to have a family with him. He can do everything right, and still wind up like poor ol’ John Gosselin—-screwed in beta-ville just for being a nice guy.

    Another reason men are so pissed: Men are told via the media endlessly that women are used and abused by bad-boy-poseurs and jerks, thus men say to themselves, “Hey, Im not that way, I’ll just make sure they know Im a nice guy from a nice family, and have honorable intentions, and so on”. This gets him shit-on (like Vincent) even worse, and frankly led on and used for dinners out, movies out, gifts, and emotional consolation, when he gets dates with decent-looking women at all. In short, the media lie to him brutally about how to go about getting into the erotic field of view of most women. When he learns he can ape the asshole-behaviors of true assholes, and suddenly finds himself in a lot of social demand (for behaving like what he heretofore would have considered being a selfish prick), he REALLY despises women for real, and cannot believe that status-seeking is so much a part of so many gal’s value systems. For example if a woman thinks a charming, “cute”, nerdy- nice guy is “fun” and they’ve had a great time out together, and in bed together, but her friends and rivals treat him as if he is a “dud” or loser, she will be dissapointed in him……………….because he doesn’t raise her status with her status-“set”. Men are completely the opposite, and couldn’t care less if his buddies dont think that little gal he likes is much of a hot babe, and are just happy for their pal that he has found true happiness, and go out of their way to be nice to the lady in his life even if they privately think shes a ditz.

    Women inhabit bars for mating rituals whereby men (in full view of many people) have to walk up to them and risk social rejection in front of a lot of people. Think about what that would be like for women if the roles were reversed……………and it was you who had to walk up to strange men, and risk him merely smirking at you in a club with 400 people in attendance, and a good 20 who are (out of that peripheral vision) are witnessing this. Think that if he did like you, he might marry you, but cheat on you with a friend of yours and leave you……………….but he got to take the kids with him, and you had to pay him 40% of your take-home income for the next 15 years, and your ex-friend and ex-husband were in the house you paid for fucking at night, talking about what a schmuck you are, and that society actually treated him as the “victim” in all of this, and his therapist told him “you have a right to make yourself happy, and she wasn’t making you happy” for professional validation. Imagine if the above scenario had happend to a good 10 women that you know first or second hand. Would you be a little piqued at the opposite gender? Im inclined to believe you would. Would pumping and dumping them for mere sexual pleasure be your default position? Its a lot less emotionally/financially risky to do so.

    Men deeply resent the legal/financial (one is tied to the other) and social (the media/academia) positions they find themselves in……………….at little/no fault of their own. They have been made wage slaves to the whims of someone else via the power of the state. They can only take this out on YOU, a woman, because they really can’t take on the state alone.

    Your grandads didn’t face this, hence their more genial demeanor. I think ethnically many white men are finding out now about what black men have had to deal with for about two more decades: namely being “nice” doesnt pay off very much, and if you are nice by nature (or because you had a great supportive family), you’d better learn how to fake not being so nice in the game out there.

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  101. @maurice

    re asshole game he said “i couldn’t make it work because i’m basically nice.”

    Yep and it’s a great quality. 🙂

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  102. askjoe

    oh yeah, gun, good point. Game can at least help a normal guy meet a girl he would otherwise let walk by in real life. If you are a nihilist like our host, then yeah, hedonism ho!

    it’s tricky assessing one’s philosophy in a blog or forum; a book, maybe.

    sack up and ask him what he is.

    I don’t wish to be labeled a nihilist in the company of other nihililsts when it comes to pussy, much of real life – probably.

    I’m a pragmatist.

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  103. on July 2, 2009 at 7:44 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “Maybe the first 50 aren’t going to make the cut. Maybe the 51st will”

    Those are sucker odds from the female point of view. As our not-so-admirable host once mentioned in a rare moment of real perception: Sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive.
    It’s in mens’ interest to promote speculation on inflationary paper money and it’s in womens’ interest to stick to the gold standard.

    What’s gone wrong is that women have a new and horribly wrong-headed and nihilistic standard – “he gets me hot” which triggers even more nihilistic behavior from men (however low womens’ standards may reach men can go _much_ lower).

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  104. @ z

    Word.

    Glad you decided to dedicate that thesis to me, specifically, but I don’t “wonder” (I think previous posts of mine should attest to my understanding of such situations)…neh, rather, I was pointing out that being a super PUA might not help you in the long run either. See Roosh. I think he had some post some while back about how game has made him see that all women are exactly the same…there is no perfect girl…etc…etc…etc…

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  105. @ z

    “They can only take this out on YOU, a woman, because they really can’t take on the state alone. ”

    Again, I feel you on this. However, defaulting to the idea that all women are just like this is akin to making some sort of crizazy generalization (e.g. all women HATE HATE HATE men who cook). Okay, the majority of women in certain parts of certain countries might be like this, but if you can’t see past this then you miss the genuinely good people out there.

    That’s all.

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  106. on July 2, 2009 at 7:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Z,
    Men deeply resent the legal/financial (one is tied to the other) and social (the media/academia) positions they find themselves in……………….at little/no fault of their own. They have been made wage slaves to the whims of someone else via the power of the state. They can only take this out on YOU, a woman, because they really can’t take on the state alone. ””””””’

    Shit if men started killing the wives lawyer or judge instead of just woman I guarrentee this shit would change.

    That is the thing too. Everything is always about protecting woman with shelters and all that crap for abused woman etc. etc.

    Except when you saddle a man with a life sentance of paying 39 percent alimony then 35 percent taxes and living on 26 percent of his income. Plus giving her the ability to make it so he cannot see his kids easily. That is placing woman in a very dangerous situation and when you google men killing woman the number of hits is in the millions. Some of these are also woman killing men.

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  107. @ gunslingergregi-

    “What pua sites like this does is allow men to have choices.”

    What you said was well-written and made sense, but notice that I did not criticize PUA game itself. I agree that many men need it to get laid at all, so sites like this provide a valuable service. What bothers me are some of the comments made about sluts by wannabe PUAs, when natural PUAs are viewed as sluts themselves by respectable society. The majority of people, male or female, don’t go to bars/clubs to get laid by total strangers. It just seems ‘slut-shaming’ is a strange position of moral judgment from those who are self-styled cultural outsiders, and need a steady supply of sluts to maintain their alpha player identities.

    @ maurice-

    I understand what you’re saying, and 5-10 years older is a reasonable age gap especially for women in their 20s. Your assertion that a high partner count is attractive to women seeking LTR gives me pause though. I went to high school in a major cosmopolitan area, and most of the girls I know who eventually settled down did so with nice beta providers in their age group with a fairly low partner count. I’ve never known aging PUAs with high counts to be a hot commodity with younger women in my area, but things may be different in yours.

    @firepower-

    If you actually like sluts, nothing I said applies to you. Thanks for playing.

    Again, my thoughts on this are stream-of-consciousness and certainly not set in stone. It’s just something I’ve been thinking about lately and enjoy hearing other perspectives.

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  108. on July 2, 2009 at 8:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Good man kills wife

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  109. on July 2, 2009 at 8:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””’kalliope
    @ gunslingergregi-

    “What pua sites like this does is allow men to have choices.”

    What you said was well-written and made sense, but notice that I did not criticize PUA game itself. I agree that many men need it to get laid at all, so sites like this provide a valuable service. What bothers me are some of the comments made about sluts by wannabe PUAs, when natural PUAs are viewed as sluts themselves by respectable society. The majority of people, male or female, don’t go to bars/clubs to get laid by total strangers. It just seems ’slut-shaming’ is a strange position of moral judgment from those who are self-styled cultural outsiders, and need a steady supply of sluts to maintain their alpha player identities. ””””””””””””””””””””’

    As you will here over and over again. Men are surprized that most woman are sluts.

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  110. 3 partners in a lifetime? CHeaaaaa

    I am of the firm belief that even on an ANONYMOUS survey, most women lie.

    Even if the consequences are removed (anonymity), a woman’s bullshit generator will not allow her to tell the truth about her sexual past.

    The stakes are THAT high, and women know it, both consciously and subconsciously.

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  111. @ z-

    That post was AMAZING. You really laid out the frustration of the modern man in perfect detail. I see it too, and I understand the negative bitter attitude you’re talking about. I’m not old enough to be part of the divorce culture, but I’ve seen plenty of decent guys shot down and humiliated in clubs for daring to speak to some entitled princess.

    LilGrl is right too, though. Even though we’ve all been steeped in this negative feminist culture, some women (esp those with strong fathers) see right through the vapid Sex and the City social conditioning, genuinely like men and don’t believe in cheating. They’re just harder to find, and don’t spend a lot of time in clubs.

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  112. @ kalliope

    “They’re just harder to find, and don’t spend a lot of time in clubs.”

    Aww, why does everyone assume clubs = slutty whore factories?

    SRSLY.

    Kyau & Albert what whatttt….

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  113. z:

    That was beautiful. I almost shed a manly tear.

    the keyword is almost.

    but no matter how many times a man can preach to a women about anything they won’t truly get it, but even if they do it’ll just go out the other ear in a matter of hours minutes.

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  114. on July 2, 2009 at 8:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””Gunslingergregi
    Good man kills wife””””””’

    woooohhhhh

    that was a freudian slip.

    consciously meant

    man kills wife.

    But yea i think it takes a good man to do it too. So that the kids don’t suffer the tradgedy of a painfull divorce.

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  115. kallippe

    firepower-

    If you actually like sluts, nothing I said applies to you. Thanks for playing.

    basically, you’re like, welcome…

    every man
    not cocooned by The Harpy Matriarchy
    loves sluts –

    they fuck, instead of
    write, argue, and attend women’s studies classes
    like sunday services

    basically

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  116. “In the sexual marketplace where men sell themselves and women browse the bazaar for the best deals, irrational confidence beats rational doubt every time. EVERY TIME.”

    Obviously not every time. The same women who don’t respond to irrational confidence also shoot down PUAs quickly.

    There’s also a learning effect here. Younger girls are more responsive to the frame-dominance and irrational confidence routine, because they haven’t yet figured out how many guys are full of crap.

    Both genders have some degree of irrational overconfidence. but men overrate themselves far more.

    Let’s face it, for some chicks, it takes a few two-pump chump “alphas” to show that dudes with rational doubt are the ones who make better lovers. Of course by then, those chicks usually just hate men, so they’re no good.

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  117. kalliope

    LilGrl is right too, though. Even though we’ve all been steeped in this negative feminist culture, some women (esp those with strong fathers) see right through the vapid Sex and the City social conditioning

    heh. all she wanted to see were exterior and location shots.

    even has all their
    autographs

    srsly

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  118. on July 2, 2009 at 8:22 pm Dave from Hawaii

    z – word up! This is exactly how I came to find this here blog. I grew up seeing countless cases of divorce court injustices committed against friends, family members and friends family members. When the classic feminist tri-fecta occurred to my uncle — She cheated on him; got everything in divorce (House, Car, Alimony, Child Support) and kept him from his court ordered visitations as much as possible, without any consequences — I started researching divorce and family law on the internet, because I wanted to understand just how this could happen in a so-called “free country.”

    That brought me to the MRA/MGTOW blogosphere…which started me on the path of de-programming from the feminist brainwashing of our modern day culture. Some of those MRA sites had links to PUA sites, which is what finally brought me here.

    Thank god. These last few years of true self-education for a topic that is vitally important to every person’s basic understanding of human mating behavior and the effect of the current family court system, have been very eye opening to say the least.

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  119. @ Firepower

    Are you negging me
    in free form
    poetry?

    That only works
    on the JC feminists
    you claim
    to despise

    So basically
    are you sure
    you’re really in the market

    for sluts?

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  120. @Keith:

    “Younger girls are more responsive to the frame-dominance and irrational confidence routine, because they haven’t yet figured out how many guys are full of crap.”

    It also depends on how they’re doing it though. I mean, I tend to see irrational over-confidence as a sign that someone is trying to hide their many flaws and weaknesses. Like I said, my encounter with a wannabe PUA at the beginning of the year reaffirmed this. Whenever he tried to neg me, he showed me his weak points. He negged my body (which he had complimented me on before..what?) and I’d take a look at his narrow shoulders and slight belly. He negged my lack of knowledge about a specific historian, and then I’d note how he’d change the subject whenever I’d bring up something he didn’t know. I’m not saying all PUAs are this bad, but I couldn’t help but notice what he was doing. It was kind of irritating.

    At the same time, people who have low self-esteem and constantly doubt themselves can be really draining, because they need constant reassurance from those around them that they are fine.

    I guess someone who’s in between and fits the golden ratio, someone who knows how to use their strengths to an advantage and minimizes their weaknesses, is gold.

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  121. @ LilGirl

    “Aww, why does everyone assume clubs = slutty whore factories?”

    Oh, just stuff like this…

    http://www.nightclubchicks.com/

    And this…

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8336225188066907128

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  122. Z,
    Excellently well said, sir. But let’s not get it twisted: Game is a MFer. And a Man well trained in the Crimson Arts never need worry about being played by *any* Woman.

    Trust me.

    O

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  123. kalliope

    @ Firepower

    Are you negging me
    in free form
    poetry?

    That only works
    on the JC feminists
    you claim
    to despise

    So basically
    are you sure
    you’re really in the market

    for sluts?

    only if you’re
    basically
    hot

    Mandy! XD will expertly fill you in on all my extensive proclivities

    while we take a short break for this word from our sponsors

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  124. @ firepower

    Basically
    This is the internet
    So if it makes you feel better
    I’m a hot, slutty,
    large-breasted
    feminazi
    with 35 cats
    all named Sappho.

    P.S. Whoever
    told you
    feminists
    don’t fuck?

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  125. @kalliope:

    Firepower
    I don’t know why
    you want me to tell
    kalliope about you.

    I mean.

    You’re an enigma.

    An enigma that never
    actually
    fills an entire line
    when he types.

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  126. on July 2, 2009 at 8:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Al and Kalliope now both here to get dick. Man oh man. The irony. The irrrooonnnyyyyyy…………

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  127. on July 2, 2009 at 8:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Roots for firepower to tag all three!!!

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  128. Since when was everyone playing hide-and-go-seek? :O

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  129. on July 2, 2009 at 9:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok dam I guess mandy is trying to cheat on her boyfriend.

    Why I say a woman who can’t read is not a bad thing overall.

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  130. kalliope: I don’t know how much is really true about actually hating sluts. They might do in theory, blaming female sexuality for current society but not in ones they personally benefit from.

    Love them, but not marry them.

    I think that statement is probably a closer approximation of the average long-term PUA’s attitude. I’m not sure if it’s so much elitism as practicality. Need someone loyal and reliable to marry and I suspect sluts to do what PUA do, going for the steady and relatively less sexual loyal types of the opposite gender when they want to ‘settle down’. Looking for types perhaps who will (a) discourage them via modeling behaviour, (b) forgive them or (c) at least not notice any indiscretions that they may not be able to restrain themselves from. Differences in sexual experience has been a model that has worked, quite beautifully in some ways but unfairly in others. Does the unfairness particularly matter if it works?

    Gunny: If she don’t read them silly words, the bored woman be doin’ other things to occupy herself.

    Mostly making herself look prettier from my observance.

    Totally innocent, that 😉

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  131. Mandy, yeah, even for a PUA he seems weak.

    With you, I’d minimize the direct negging and go for more qualifying.

    So, Mandy, you’ve mentioned you’re really good in school. I like women who are multifaceted. Can you also cook?

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  132. @Gunslinger:

    I was trying to make a joke. (tag? hide and seek? get it? fail.)

    I failed again.

    I need more practice. :/

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  133. LOL @ Gunny – If I was looking for dick from anonymous strangers, I’d be on Craigslist right now and not here writing poetry.

    All in fun dear.

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  134. By the third date, I was having unprotected sex with him (completely out of character), and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women.

    That proves everything that I said about women and their attraction to alphas is true.

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  135. on July 2, 2009 at 9:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Bhetti,
    Gunny: If she don’t read them silly words, the bored woman be doin’ other things to occupy herself.

    Mostly making herself look prettier from my observance.

    Totally innocent, that ”””””””””’

    Yea she takes care of her man, cleans the heck out of the house, cooks, adopts a kid when she realizes she may have too much time on hands, looks at only reality around her. Mimics the successful people she actually sees around her so has realistic expectations of what works what doesn’t rather than a maybe unrealistic expectation from a book or magazine or school economics class on the benefits of the stock market. Monitors multiple business. No chance of e flirting while I am there in the house one day pretending to be doing something else all day on the computer. Overall lot of benefits.

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  136. erotic poetry smackdown!

    @z- great post. sad but true.

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  137. @Keith:

    “So, Mandy, you’ve mentioned you’re really good in school. I like women who are multifaceted. Can you also cook?”
    That probably would work.

    I’d probably talk about how bread baking is my hobby, then later bake bread for that person; preferably their favorite flavor.

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  138. on July 2, 2009 at 9:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    But yea I have put her through a grueling check process that by now most woman would of already fell out of. Trying to help her get to heaven if there is one.

    ”””””’on July 2, 2009 at 9:19 pm kalliope
    LOL @ Gunny – If I was looking for dick from anonymous strangers, I’d be on Craigslist right now and not here writing poetry.

    All in fun dear.””””””””””

    Ahh but here they are not strangers are they. You can read up on them. Good thing your having fun though.

    ”””””””””””””Mandy! XD
    @Gunslinger:

    I was trying to make a joke. (tag? hide and seek? get it? fail.)

    I failed again.

    I need more practice. :/”””””””””””””””””

    I forgive you but will firepower?

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  139. Gunny: I would attribute to the quality of the woman, the man, the relationship than the inability to read. There’s plenty of opportunities for that sort of thing, on and offline!

    DA: I see some things don’t change. Of course it does prove it. Sure it does. Does it matter? Stop it already. Why does anyone try to inflict you on a woman? I’m sorry, DA. It will bring only suffering. You are right. Go, work productively for society without bothering females! Feminist wet dream, you are.

    I’ll even give you a hug as a reward for all your efforts. Just please stop going on and on about how your self-justifying worldview is proved. Please.

    Or just fund your DAism church. Repeatedly preach from there, betapusher.

    I have free time now. Could build the page for you. If you want. Some time. At my convenience. [but beta that you apparently are, you will fear and wilfully do nothing to combat the flake, even though it’s a non-date. For good reason?]

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  140. on July 2, 2009 at 9:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Less temptation if no computer all I am saying. he he he

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  141. Girls in their teens and early 20s (and sometimes longer) pretend to be gay for political/social reasons. Really, some strict feminist theory demands it.

    From what I discovered at Wellesley, it’s primarily a way to chase off beta males until an alpha comes along. It’s generally enough to chase away most betas, but the wall will crumble with the piercing of an alpha battering ram.

    Completely off topic, and completely shameless.

    But I’m sorry, I’m just real happy and, well, proud.

    Bhetti ACED her med school finals. Way up from last year.

    Somebody reeks of beta…

    guys that are young (early 20s) are usually pretty immature and not interested in/ready for LTRs.

    They’re smart enough to know that LTRs are fail, and that all the fun is in banging the women du jour. 🙂

    Generally speaking (SRSLY), you just CAN’T:

    The career is probably better and more fulfilling than kids since it pays for a comfortable lifestyle, and the alpha sex is far better than putting up with a beta in an annoying platonic relationship sprinkled with pity sex.

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  142. You have an excellent reason to blueball future prospective sexual partners.

    And I don’t need you, as you can be easily replaced by a hand and mix of baby oil and lotion, and I can get the hugs and attention from other women. Sucker. 😛

    you’d better learn how to fake not being so nice in the game out there

    Being nice keeps you out of jail, and no woman is worth faking being not so nice.

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  143. وفاة يمكن أن تجعل الجيدات المريرة.

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  144. I wish I could read that.

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  145. a web translator says:

    “The death of could make: bitter.”

    bhetti will have to help us. now i’m busted, though: i don’t really speak arabic – just learning, and i know only a select few words and phrases.

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  146. on July 2, 2009 at 10:22 pm the_alpha_male

    This has nothing to do with this post but i have noticed that women have the lamest pickup lines in clubs.

    8/10 revolve around what drink you are consuming or at least have something to do with an alcoholic drink.

    “What is it that you are drinking? Do you have any recommendations for a locally brewed beer? That smells good, what is it?”

    And women say men have bad pickup lines.

    Or perhaps its a lame attempt at getting you to give them/buy them a drink but i don’t think so.

    I called their bluff twice with “Do you want some?” and both times they said no. My response would have been “well it’s around $5 a shot so why don’t you buy one” and walk away.

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  147. Re: Bhetti

    Making the Arab woman angry at the beta is fun. 🙂

    It does matter that her quotes proved the theory because it proves the futility of dealing with women in a sexual relationship unless one is a natural alpha or can make use of game.

    As for being a feminist wet dream, I’m well aware that no feminist would want me, and I’ve told by some that I am not attractive. Besides, being a porn/masturbation addict who has a fetish for women with acrylic nails, high heels, fashionable/slutty/skanky clothing, and lots of make up and tattoos basically ensures that I am no friend of the feminist.

    you will fear and wilfully do nothing to combat the flake, even though it’s a non-date

    If you’re flakey, what am I supposed to do about it? Scream at you and call a flake? That’s rather boorish, and I’d much rather take the passive aggressive route and do nothing since it’s not worth the effort.

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  148. One of the hottest girls I’ve dated picked me up through her friend asking me the time. Get over it, learn to love the double standard

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  149. DA: I will get to you later. Going to sleep now.

    maurice: It seems to be saying ‘Loyalty [this word could also be the word for death] can make the good ones bitter/sour’.

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  150. on July 2, 2009 at 10:54 pm Micheal Jackson

    Sham…onnn….

    I’d just like to congratulate

    Email #2: “Tips for building a harem”

    Alot of Modern Guys are leaving fatherhood way to late…. Take it from me.. the last thing you want to be doing is dying while your kids are only 10 or in their early teens…..

    The best thing to do would be to have 2 kids by Age 18 – that way you’re

    1) front loading your social welfare / free medicade takings early

    2) likely to avoid alimony all together

    3) likely to have some other guy cuckholded into looking after your kids and

    4) leaving your prime income earning years (40-55yo) unencumbered by Child Support obligations.

    Ooohh…Ohhhh….

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  151. وفاة رجل يجعل الجيدات المريرة

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  152. @Mandy

    Bread baking, how unique. And you’d bake me my favorite flavor; that’s so sweet. I like having lots of choices. What flavors of bread do you bake?

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  153. I don’t understand why some people here are so against David Alexander. You should be glad he’s not in the mating game, because that means less competition for the rest of you. As more men drop out of the game, life will become easier for those who are still in it.

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  154. @Keith:

    All kinds. I experiment a lot. Do you like more traditional flavors, like banana nut, or something more unique, like raspberry lime?

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  155. Mandy
    You are OK. But be carefull talking about bread-baking. Guys start to thinking about hot ovens and sticky yeasty things and how baked loaves can penetrate concrete virginal temples…
    When I was a teenaged guy I routinely got raging hard-ons because of clouds drifting by that cruelly reminded me of naked breasts.

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  156. “it worked because it was genuine”

    useful.

    standing in door = alpha

    toilet pissing =

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  157. I see Dave Alex’s gotten started early tonight. So, Dave…how’s that Beta recruitment effort coming along? Still an army of one?

    O

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  158. on July 3, 2009 at 12:22 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obsidian is threatened by DA, because Obsidian puts in a huge amount of effort into creating the illusion that black dudes have excellent Game (when in reality, this is only a certain percentage of black dudes).

    David Alexander’s existence directly contradicts this. Hence, he taints the brand. And since this brand is all that black dudes have, it is a mortal threat to black dudes who want to sustain this perception.

    The second reason Obese-dian is threatened by DA is that DA admits that most black women are rotund, and actually resemble the great creatures of Africa (elephant, hippopotamus, and rhinoceros) in size, shape, color, and texture. DA’s admission of this makes it harder for black dudes to legitimize their fat fetish by passing it off as ‘ethnic preference’.

    Hence, to the extent that DA is a form of ‘Oreo’, he is a threat to authentic black dudes like Obsidian.

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  159. on July 3, 2009 at 12:37 am Gunslingergregi

    GNP he has obviously been putting in effort at not talking about race as a whole. Maybe don’t bait?

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  160. on July 3, 2009 at 12:41 am Willard Libby

    GNPs – David Alexander’s existence directly contradicts this. Hence, he taints the brand.

    “He taints the brand” of black males, Haitians, guys named David, male humanoids, mammals, multicellular organisms, life as we know it, carbon atoms, the chemical bond, electromagnetism, gravity, the Big Bang theory, the belief in God and a moral point to the unverse, consciousness………..

    He’s a one man wrecking crew and in that way dare I say an Alpha!

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  161. LOL. Alright, alright, I gotta admit, Willard and Apeman made me laugh w/what they just said-Willard was straightup funny, and Apeman says his stuff w/such a straightface you gotta laugh at it.

    That was good, fellas. That’s wassup.

    O

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  162. وفاة يمكن أن تجعل الجيدات المريرة = Death can make the bitter Betas

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  163. on July 3, 2009 at 1:07 am GNPs are for Apes

    Alright, I’ll shelve the race entertainment for another day.

    But, Obsidian, what you need to do is fix up DA with the largest, sweetest, cheeriest, most generous big black woman you can find. That is what is needed to crush out all his self-loathing and immaturity. No baby steps. The nuclear option is the solution.

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  164. on July 3, 2009 at 1:17 am Gunslingergregi

    To top the shit off arpagus got to be getting some right now.

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  165. LOL, alright Apeman, you was able to pull off another funny. Best to quit while you’re still ahead, lol.

    O

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  166. C. Arroyo advised S….
    “The ball is in your court, gain some self-discipline and don’t repeat your mistake or resign yourself to becoming a pump and dump fucktoy. The choice is yours.”

    Good advice in CA’s post. Read and heed.

    @S Here’s a hint as to what happened… In another thread Billy Crystal was quoted saying “Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.” This quote is only half true. Women don’t need a reason to act on their tingling vag they need a *rationalization* — learn to distinguish the difference or you will get played again. The essence of PUA techniques is getting the vag tingling and then providing the rationalizations to make the close.

    When you do find a good man, respect his masculinity if you want to keep him. Don’t listen to the feminists and don’t watch S&TC — other than as a study in psycho-sexual pathology and future cat-ladies. You have a lot of UNlearning to do, thanks to modern feminism.

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  167. That’s a good point, somebody should start up a collection and/or take one for the team for David and Arpagus. For David, a slutty woman with nails and heels. For Arpagus, any consensual female with a pulse.

    It would be a godly mission indeed.

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  168. on July 3, 2009 at 1:36 am Gunslingergregi

    Are you saying you are ready to be sainted kalliope.

    I think arpagus is good though. I mean unless he is in jail or something. Think he would have got back to us if he failed.

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  169. I’m turning into a mix of Arpagus and DA, running the AO while not really believing that it’s worth it. I think I’m going to have to develop more conventional game. Janka’s and Jeffries’ latest, at the least.

    In other news, [email protected]$$-rapport long-game may soon get me my 3rd of the year. But it’s looking to be a cold holiday weekend and it’s only Thursday.

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  170. on July 3, 2009 at 1:45 am Gunslingergregi

    How many attempts Eurosabra?

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  171. on July 3, 2009 at 1:49 am GNPs are for Apes

    LOL, alright Apeman, you was able to pull off another funny.

    You were is the correct grammar.

    It is not a funny. This would crush out all of DA’s maladies and self-loathing and much more. I think you can agree that he would never be the same again after this.

    Time to use the doomsday weapon on him. You must arrange this with someone from your big black book.

    For David, a slutty woman with nails and heels.

    No. The biggest, most jolly, most generous black woman around is the cure for DA. No baby steps. It is time to go the whole 9 tons here.

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  172. Not enough, obviously.

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  173. on July 3, 2009 at 2:26 am Gunslingergregi

    Well fuck it and get the escort for the holiday you deserve it according to lucifer.

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  174. on July 3, 2009 at 2:32 am Gunslingergregi

    Practice the ao on her then the next day or that night go out into real world. This might help for ego boost get that I just fucked glow going.

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  175. on July 3, 2009 at 2:33 am Gunslingergregi

    Course maybe long term will work for the 4th while invite her for cookout hand her the steaks he he he

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  176. Re male and female lying about the number of sex partners: Norwegian women don’t seem to lie about it anymore, it least in anonymous surveys. In a new study soon to be published in Interpersona, both men and women report just under two sex partners in the past year. This is where the similarities end, however. Women in this extreme feminist environment want as few partners as ever and men want many more then they can have. Nothing has changed except the honesty. Sexual “liberation” can make women tell the truth on surveys, but it can’t change human nature. Sex is forever a female resource.

    Special Issue: “Relationship Research in Scandinavia” should be available soon at Interpersona.org.

    “I believe these results illustrate how gender and sex are less connected to culture and roles, but are more the result of biology and evolution”, Leif Edward Ottesen Kennair, associate professor at NTNU said to the Trondheim-based newspaper Adressavisen and as reported in the Oslo-based Aftenposten.

    Kennair has conducted an anonymous survey of nearly 1,100 individuals among heterosexual NTNU students – half of whom were women and half men.

    How many partners?
    The questions included attitudes towards sex as well as wishes and fantasies. Whereas females (on average) can see themselves having about five new partners during the next five years, males envisioned having 14. Female students thought they might have six to seven sexual partners throughout their lifetimes while the males predicted they would have 25.

    Kennair pointed out that both females and males limited the total number of partners they would have.

    “The males don’t express a desire to have unlimited partners. But the difference is interesting. The males systematically will have more variation, from both a short and long term perspective. In free Norway, however, females — anonymously — can have as many partners as they want. But they don’t express that interest”, he says.

    Biology in the driver’s seat
    Kennair says these choices reflect biology, and the fact that males can impregnate a new female every day, in theory at least, while females cannot become pregnant more than once every two years. Females have to be careful because pregnancy is so biologically costly.

    “Females can have as much sex as they want. It’s their desire that controls the frequency. But males have less sex than they want”, he said.

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  177. Apeman,
    Relax, this aint (that’s right, I said aint) school, and you’re definitely not a teacher, lol. Moreover, can’t help ya on the Norbit thing, although something tells me you might be able to help your boy Dave Alex out, since you keep all your big gal contacts on the downlow.

    Don’t ya, Apeman?

    O

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  178. She will be more honest than any woman you will ever date.. and if you read enough review boards, you will know about the quality of her service, and she is always 7 or above (unless you want an ugly one).

    //Well fuck it and get the escort for the holiday you deserve it according to lucifer.//

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  179. The reason people get pissed at DA is because he’s a fuckin’ coward–and that ain’t white or black, just lemon yellow a mile long.

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  180. Don’t want to retain a pro. Will see if long-term-game girl wants a cook-out he he he.

    I hate that my “successes” are so ambiguous. I had 4 phone numbers evaporate in the past 4 days. Have only had 2 day Twos in the past month.

    Need to get better, faster.

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  181. roissy you motherfucker. did i ever tell you this is the best blog in the whole goddamn internet?

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  182. except for mine, of course

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  183. on July 3, 2009 at 5:52 am Cliff Arroyo

    “Sex is forever a female resource”

    I don’t get this.

    Females don’t have ‘sex’ as a resource in common. Each individual woman has a body. Access to that body isn’t a resource, it’s a privilege she can grant (or deny) to individual men (or women).

    Your idea about sex as a resource only makes sense at a collective level that libertarians aren’t even supposed to believe in, much less make policy decisions on. It’s impossible to rape ‘women’ as a class, it’s only possible to violate the rights of some individual woman.

    You need to spend more time on figuring out how to convince a woman (or a few) to granting you access (and ignoring what I’ve written, you’ve gotten some good advice here) but viewing women as a collective mountain to be strip-mined isn’t going to help you and thinking that is going to sabotage your presentation and drive off women who would potentially be attracted to you.

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  184. “Obsidian is threatened by DA, because Obsidian puts in a huge amount of effort into creating the illusion that black dudes have excellent Game. David Alexander’s existence directly contradicts this. Hence, he taints the brand. ”

    If a theory is proved incorrect byy ONE counterexample, then it’s rather weak. I imagine Obsidian doesn’t tihnk EVERY black man has more game, just that they tend to have more game or alphas are more common amongst blacks.

    It’s also important to note that Game that might attract black women might be useless for white women, especially of the middle and upper class variety. Black male game towards black women seems to be crass and overt, which might be more suitable as it seems blacks are more sexually active than whites. Black game in the white social sphere might not be as successful because it doesn’t seem to overlap extensively (if at all) with the game taught by the PUA community.

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  185. Arpagus, that study you linked to does not demonstrate what it thinks that it demonstrates. It appears to believe that asking women “How many men do you think you will fuck?” will be the same as “How many men women will fuck.” Hell, the women with their one a year want, have in actuality fucked 2 a year: twice as many as they say they want.

    Multiplying by two still seems a reasonable course of action.

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  186. Arpagus

    Sex is forever a female resource.

    Concision with an effervescent insight.

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  187. @arpagus

    Did you have the date? If you posted about it earlier, sorry I missed it.

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  188. Cliff

    blah blah you’d better get with the program blah blah and don’t you dare blah and how dare you blah and you should be ashamed blah

    You female mouthpiece for emotive logic, you.

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  189. @cpt napalm

    If women’s numbers need to be mutiplied by 2, does it make sense that men’s need to be divided by 2?

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  190. وفاة رجل يجعل الجيدات المريرة

    In the original context, loyalty made more sense (admittedly, the last letter is off if it was loyalty). Anyway, now it seems to say “Death of a man makes the good women the bitter/sour “(would say al murraat would’ve probably been more gramatically correct for the second part, no?) . Anyway, it’s a reference to women so unless we’re calling betas female…

    Master Dogen: Alcohol on weekdays?

    Beta (And Proud Of It! You know you are. Does your pride surprise you?):

    Making the Arab woman angry at the beta is fun. 🙂

    I would say you are so hot for me right now. But my nails are not up to standard.

    Nice bit of aloof teasing, by the way. [You apparently hopeless beta.]

    It does matter that her quotes proved the theory because it proves the futility of dealing with women in a sexual relationship unless one is a natural alpha or can make use of game.

    The phrasing is unfortunate because one case of something occuring never proves a rule. One woman does not prove anything. Still, it is in line with the overall picture of female sexuality. Regardless, men with Asperger’s also manage to get laid. Regardless, you are just restating perhaps what this whole blog is about. Regardless.

    As for being a feminist wet dream, I’m well aware that no feminist would want me, and I’ve told by some that I am not attractive. Besides, being a porn/masturbation addict who has a fetish for women with acrylic nails, high heels, fashionable/slutty/skanky clothing, and lots of make up and tattoos basically ensures that I am no friend of the feminist.

    Thinking about you not getting laid with any female is their fantasy. They think about you not having sex — especially with the anti-feminist fetish of yours — and it’s just too much.

    If you’re flakey, what am I supposed to do about it? Scream at you and call a flake? That’s rather boorish, and I’d much rather take the passive aggressive route and do nothing since it’s not worth the effort.

    It’s a fun excuse to go some girls are flaky, when the probable averages is she just doesn’t like you enough to bother. If she has a tendency to be flaky but is attracted, she can be ‘trained’ to not flake if you call her out calmly but with ‘if you are serious about me, you will do the following. Do we understand each other?’. Months and months, and you still don’t know theoretically how you might help prevent flakedom?

    Somebody reeks of beta…

    Does that count as a compliment, coming from you? Thank you for the input into my man’s Game anyway. I realise you’re only trying to help.

    Still: Can you read between the lines?

    I’m so happy to have pleased him. This time.

    Here is your non-flaked-out on website:
    http://davidalexanderism.moonfruit.com

    All your wisdom and proofs shall be gathered here, so you don’t have to repeat yourself and just link.

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  191. Obsidian, if you’d let go of responding to DA and veer sharply away from race talk, your signal to noise ration, as measured by the xsplat-o-meter, would sharpen up to be far more worth tuning into.

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  192. @cptnapalm:

    Luckily for me, 2×0=0.

    aoefe said:

    “If women’s numbers need to be mutiplied by 2, does it make sense that men’s need to be divided by 2?”

    Probably.

    Or at least subtract half from them.

    Men will lie about sleeping with women.

    I had to deal with that issue this year. High drama.

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  193. Rum

    When I was a teenaged guy I routinely got raging hard-ons because of clouds drifting by that cruelly reminded me of naked breasts.

    And the poetic style of concision. An image worth a thousand words.

    Young men are by nature easy to pussy whip.

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  194. Str8up implied a mouthful when he said

    3 partners in a lifetime? CHeaaaaa

    I am of the firm belief that even on an ANONYMOUS survey, most women lie.

    Even if the consequences are removed (anonymity), a woman’s bullshit generator will not allow her to tell the truth about her sexual past.

    The stakes are THAT high, and women know it, both consciously and subconsciously.

    If true, women have their Superegeo forever separate, forever paternal.

    Men become men, and can tell their parents to fuck off. Women never tell their parents the truth.

    And husbands are like parents.

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  195. @Rum:

    “But be carefull talking about bread-baking. Guys start to thinking about hot ovens and sticky yeasty things and how baked loaves can penetrate concrete virginal temples…”
    You just ruined Hansel and Gretel for me.

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  196. “Multiplying by two still seems a reasonable course of action.”

    The study asked both how many partners you want and how many you have actually had.

    Average number of actual sex partners must necessarily be the same for both sexes. Unlike previous studies, both sexes report the same number in this one (about two in the past year), so they are probably honest. If you multiply the female numbers by two, that would mean the men also omit half of their partners, and that seems highly unlikely.

    If women are honest about this, why would they underestimate how many they want? Sure they end up with twice as many, but that is probably because they are seduced or something, not because they ideally want it.

    The study also found that women want to wait one month before they have sex after meeting someone, while men want it the same day. Real life is somewhat more of a compromise, but the study does show that women unfortunately are extremely reluctant to have sex no matter how “liberated” they are.

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  197. on July 3, 2009 at 9:54 am Cliff Arroyo

    xsplat, go blah blah blah in your blah blah blah.

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  198. “I’m a hot, slutty,
    large-breasted
    feminazi
    with 35 cats
    all named Sappho.”

    If you’re kidding about most of those cats, we should talk.

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  199. Cliff Arroyo, are you a d00d?

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  200. on July 3, 2009 at 10:04 am Cliff Arroyo

    Mandy! XD, are you L1terat3?

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  201. @aoefe

    “If women’s numbers need to be mutiplied by 2, does it make sense that men’s need to be divided by 2?”

    Of course. Men are bound to overreport on this one, depending on the group they’re talking to. Certainly men will exaggerate with other men, and likely on anonymous surveys, since it’s an opportunity for a man to think of himself more highly.

    Both genders have their unique biases, and men are more likely to think of themselves and their own abilities too highly.

    In addition, on surveys, recall bias interacts with this effect. In the area of educational attainment, for example, people will report far more education as they get older, in far higher numbers than the number of people actually going back to school. That two years of college that Bob did before dropping out? In Bob’s hindsight, that turns into completion of college.

    I’d expect an even stronger effect for self-reporting of sexual partners, especially among men.

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  202. Arpagus

    that women unfortunately are extremely reluctant to have sex no matter how “liberated” they are.

    Extremely – there’s a word that is a tell. You are no woman playing man on the internet. No woman could fathom just how uptight and precious they make themselves seem.

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  203. aoefe–

    Yes, the date was a success. I had sex for the first time in two years and feel much better now.

    My rhetorical points still stand, of course. Sex is a female resource even if I get lucky, and as that study shows, I really was lucky. Most women here are rather like you and want to wait five dates.

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  204. @keith

    “I’d expect an even stronger effect for self-reporting of sexual partners, especially among men.”

    That was my guess.

    @arpagus

    “No woman could fathom just how uptight and precious they make themselves seem.”

    Women also NEED to be very picky about who they’ll let in their drawers – biologically speaking.

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  205. @arpagus

    Was it a one nighter? Or will you be seeing her again? Do tell.

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  206. Cliff, you have no capacity how to comprehend when you are addressing a subject rationally, or emotively.

    Shame is not an argument. Reason with reason, not your morality.

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  207. Arpagus, for the loverof God, no matter what happens, say she wants to see you again but you’re not sure. Be a man.:)

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  208. @Cliff Arroyo:

    No. Why?

    @xsplat:

    “No woman could fathom just how uptight and precious they make themselves seem.”

    Biologically speaking, females control what genes get passed on. If females weren’t selective, the species would die out.

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  209. @keith

    LOL!

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  210. @Keith:

    “Be a man.:)”

    I love how you used a smiley after that. A manly smiley. ;]

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  211. @arpagus

    “I really was lucky”

    Hence the term “Got lucky”

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  212. @Mandy

    “Biologically speaking, females control what genes get passed on. If females weren’t selective, the species would die out.”

    Not to mention, based on what happened to gay males in the 1980s, we heterosexual males are lucky to have a sexual circuit-breaker.

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  213. aoefe:

    “Was it a one nighter? Or will you be seeing her again? Do tell.”

    I hope I will be seeing her again, but can’t tell yet. I don’t want to seem too eager, as that was what repulsed the last one.

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  214. @arpagus

    Game does indeedy work, I’d suggest you ask the men here how to approach it, but I suspect you already had that plan.

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  215. @Keith:

    “Not to mention, based on what happened to gay males in the 1980s, we heterosexual males are lucky to have a sexual circuit-breaker.”
    Or else…

    a straight male liberation movement in the 2010s? haha.

    @arpagus:

    “I hope I will be seeing her again, but can’t tell yet. I don’t want to seem too eager, as that was what repulsed the last one.”
    To build your confidence, I would suggest trying to meet other girls.

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  216. Keith

    In addition, on surveys, recall bias interacts with this effect. In the area of educational attainment, for example, people will report far more education as they get older, in far higher numbers than the number of people actually going back to school. That two years of college that Bob did before dropping out? In Bob’s hindsight, that turns into completion of college.

    I’d expect an even stronger effect for self-reporting of sexual partners, especially among men.

    Despite your general bias and how that interacts with my general bias, causing me to skip past and discount most of your views – you did intersect with my bias on this point.

    People have weak egos, and support them with the aid of their reconstitutable memories.

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  217. on July 3, 2009 at 10:49 am Cliff Arroyo

    Congratulations arpie! Job well done!

    I also second Mandy! “whut, mee spel?” XD’s suggestion. Don’t helicopter around this one, but actively seek out other women both for confidence building in general and in relation to any particular woman.

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  218. on July 3, 2009 at 10:51 am Virginia Gentleman

    Bhetti:

    Here is your non-flaked-out on website:
    http://davidalexanderism.moonfruit.com

    Ha ha. Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything at the time, or you’d owe me a new computer, in the grand tradition of internet fora everywhere.

    Congratulations to Arpagus. Don’t lowball your skills; people make their own luck in certain circumstances, such as these.

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  219. @Cliff Arroyo:

    “…Mandy! “whut, mee spel?” XD’s…”
    Now, was that really necessary?

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  220. on July 3, 2009 at 10:56 am Cliff Arroyo

    xsplat,

    “you have no capacity how to comprehend when you are addressing a subject rationally, or emotively.
    Shame is not an argument. Reason with reason, not your morality.”

    What on earth are you blabbering about? Please point to something specific that I’ve written that you object to or try to make more sense.

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  221. on July 3, 2009 at 10:59 am Cliff Arroyo

    “Now, was that really necessary?”

    No, but I have a tendency to keep flogging dead horses. It’s a d00d thing.

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  222. @bhetti

    I also find the Church of DA très amusant!

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  223. @Cliff:

    “No, but I have a tendency to keep flogging dead horses. It’s a d00d thing.”

    Strange fetishes you have there.

    ….

    I kid, I kid.

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  224. on July 3, 2009 at 11:02 am Cliff Arroyo

    “I kid, I kid.”

    Don’t be so sure….

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  225. @Mandy “I love how you used a smiley after that. A manly smiley. ;]”

    Everything I do is manly, but you already knew that.;)

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  226. Cliff Arroyo

    “Sex is forever a female resource”

    I don’t get this.

    Females don’t have ’sex’ as a resource in common. Each individual woman has a body. Access to that body isn’t a resource, it’s a privilege she can grant (or deny) to individual men (or women).

    Your idea about sex as a resource only makes sense at a collective level that libertarians aren’t even supposed to believe in, much less make policy decisions on. It’s impossible to rape ‘women’ as a class, it’s only possible to violate the rights of some individual woman.

    You need to spend more time on figuring out how to convince a woman (or a few) to granting you access (and ignoring what I’ve written, you’ve gotten some good advice here) but viewing women as a collective mountain to be strip-mined isn’t going to help you and thinking that is going to sabotage your presentation and drive off women who would potentially be attracted to you.

    Your tone here is that people can not be classified, and that generalites are the mathematics of the devil. Women are each individual.

    You mock judgments as injust, on the personal level, and therefore completely injust, and therefore useless and arbitrary.

    In short, you choose the viewpoint that we are unique and socially created.

    You choose and defend the female freedom from the constraints of biological reality.

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  227. Let me say that again – you choose to believe that women have agency and free will, above and beyond the call of nature.

    I call you a fool for your high mindedness.

    You choose to side with the group, when the group sides with the individual, as a high minded socialist. Well done. But you neglect to notice that innate in the human condition is selfishness, which can not be rooted out of any high office, and so no social system can be uncorrupt, and so there can be no uncorrupted socialism.

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  228. More shortened still: you don’t believe that women are devlish whores.

    You love women for what they could ultimately be. Not for how they actually act. Because you don’t have that much experience with how they actually act.

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  229. @bhetti- did you build that site? i guess you *do* have too much free time on your hands after exams. DA has his own blog, so that site will either be a lonely joke, or populate by his fan club. so…lonely joke.

    unrelated: i’m already tired of the michael jackson tributes/drama all over the TV.

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  230. on July 3, 2009 at 11:37 am Cliff Arroyo

    xsplat,

    First, I was reacting to a bunch of stuff that Arpagus has written about men and women and rape and if you haven’t read that it might seem like I’m writing about something else. Go to his blog and he has an essay on the topic, read that if you haven’t yet.

    I was disagreeing with the position that women as a class hold a resource that men as a class want and therefore have a right to take. And I’m disagreeing with it because sex as a resource can’t be taken from women as a class but only from individual women.

    A rough analogy.

    Whites as a class oppressed blacks as a class in the Jim Crow south. Did that give any particular oppressed black the right to take the assets of some random individual white person?

    Or to put it another way, there are Palestinians who think that exercising violence against any particular Israeli citizen they can is justified as an expression of collective Palestinian resistance against collective Israeli oppression.

    No matter what you think of the political realities of the Jim Crow south or the middle east, in both cases (as in Arpagus’s rape writing) collective retaliation against individuals is completely at odds for a self-declared libertarian (as Arpagus is).

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  231. Bhetti–

    @David Alexander: Here is your non-flaked-out on website:
    http://davidalexanderism.moonfruit.com

    All your wisdom and proofs shall be gathered here, so you don’t have to repeat yourself and just link.

    Truly a public service, that!

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  232. @xsplat:

    “you don’t believe that women are devlish whores”

    Xsplat, your negative view of women is no different than a beta putting a woman on a pedestal. While others “love women for what they could ultimately be” you hate women for what they could ultimately be.

    This is no different than women hating men for being slutty players or for being sexless herbs.

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  233. @Cliff Arroyo:

    “Don’t be so sure….”

    …..

    …..

    uhoh.

    @Keith:

    “Everything I do is manly, but you already knew that.;)”

    Even dancing? Or drinking from a straw? Or do you chug?

    :O

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  234. Yes, the date was a success. I had sex for the first time in two years and feel much better now.

    Did the thought of raping her cross your mind at any point?

    (Not joking, serious question, you write about rape a lot)

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  235. on July 3, 2009 at 11:51 am GNPs are for Apes

    Obsidian,

    So have you selected an appropriate big black woman for Norbit Alexander yet? You are the only one that can help him, since you have many such ladies listed in your big black book.

    We agree that this experience would leave DA permanently changed. It would crush out all his inhibitions and self-loathing. But the woman has to be the biggest black woman possible.

    You must arrange this for him.

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  236. Let me rephrase that, did getting consensual sex make you reevaluate your views about rape?

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  237. Cliff

    I was disagreeing with the position that women as a class hold a resource that men as a class want and therefore have a right to take. And I’m disagreeing with it because sex as a resource can’t be taken from women as a class but only from individual women.

    I realize that ad hominem is weak, so I”m weak. You’re a dork.

    I hear you saying “I’ve considered all the positions and referenced them, and have chosen as the favorite this view”. And translated in splat-speak that means “blah blah”

    Did you ever hear art critics get heavy into their craft? The more expert they are, the more it becomes blah blah. Or academics? Eventually in-group knowledge stops becoming esoteric and starts to be arcane.

    13th century knowledge was arcane, because they could not diffentiate art from science from morality. Just as you can’t. You feel that morality and truth are inseperable, and that that the social sphere of morality can be measured from the physical sphere of science is inseparable from the aesthetic sphere of beauty.

    You are undiffentiated – in a word, ignorant.

    The worst type of pedant.

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  238. I missed my main point. Choosing one view as a favorite is dorky, unless it’s meta.

    Seeing the big picture, including all views, making your own over-arching view, is the only painful choice.

    And that involves telling your Superego to fuck off, telling your Id to shut up, and telling your Ego to stop being such a drama queen, and it mostly involves learning how to fuck like an adult.

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  239. maurice: it took v. little time this a.m. Low concentration bit of fun while holding on phones etc. His blog is linked in the ‘About Us’ section there. My distracted brain decided to put roissy’s e-mail as the one managing it, though.

    doug: You know I’m happy to serve, ameeri.

    aoefe, Virginia Gentleman: Completely worth my time, then!

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  240. Cliff Arroyo:

    I was disagreeing with the position that women as a class hold a resource that men as a class want and therefore have a right to take.

    You are misrepresenting my position. I never said men have the right to take the female resource simply because we want it. I am saying that as long as women take our resources by force through affirmative action, it is morally legitimate for us to take sex from women.

    And I’m disagreeing with it because sex as a resource can’t be taken from women as a class but only from individual women.

    Sex can be taken from women as a class as much as resources can be taken from men as a class, which is precisely the aim of affirmative action. They are morally equivalent and both are wrong, but if it is OK when women do it, then we can do it to them as well.

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  241. on July 3, 2009 at 12:01 pm Cliff Arroyo

    “The worst type of pedant”

    As long as there’s a superlative in there I’m okay with it.

    I’d hate to think anyone took me for an average kind of pedant.

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  242. Arpagus, you sociopath, define “affirmative action”.

    Morality is womanish, in that it is feeling based and ultimately feeling based only. And being a sociopath is equally a genetic human disposition to feeling (having it extremely, like Forman, or barely, like House).

    You are obviously a sociopath. Why do you pretty up your lack of feeling with “argument”

    Why bother?

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  243. @Arpagus:

    But how do you plan to take it from women? Mass raping them? Kidnapping a bunch of them to be used for sex? I mean…wth.

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  244. Joe:

    Did the thought of raping her cross your mind at any point?”

    No.

    Let me rephrase that, did getting consensual sex make you reevaluate your views about rape?

    I personally have no use for rape as long as I am getting consensual sex, obviously. However, I am an anti-feminist activist and my views on rape remain valid for men in general as long as the feminist hegemony persists.

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  245. OK, I’ve been combing back through the thread and I can’t find where our Man Arpie gave his report after I assigned him his first “mission” last week. From what I gather here it appears he got some recently, which he alluded to last week as well.

    So needless to say, if all this is true, I am overjoyed! That’s what this blog is really all about. *But*…in order to do a good job, I’m gonna need a detailed report so we can go from there.

    So Arpagus if you’re reading this, holla back, picking up w/exactly what you did last weekend. Leave no details out, the more info you give the more I can be of assistance. As for your pickup, how’d it go down, what’d you do, what’d she do, what was the timeframe, etc, et al?

    Ok, holla back, and congrats!

    The Obsidian

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  246. xsplat

    Let me say that again – you choose to believe that women have agency and free will, above and beyond the call of nature.

    I call you a fool for your high mindedness.

    I’m not weighing in on your argument with Cliff, which I haven’t much followed, and besides I have a feeling you’re quite juiced at the moment.

    However, this sort of thing gets tossed around fairly frequently around here, by you, and by others. The plaintive view is that women only want alphas, and will endlessly and utterly amorally not only ignore but also screw over beta males because of this, including any beta husband they might marry. It’s most pointed formulation around here (which I suspect you’re in no condition to tap out at the moment) is that women are utterly amoral seekers of hypergamy.

    That’s what I wanted to address. You’re just giving me an excuse, but being another example of it’s repetition, more or less.

    It’s partly true, and useful to correct the traditional “girls are sugar and spice and everything nice” view or propaganda about women’s basic nature. But it’s ultimately no more true than the saying that “all men are dogs” — meaning that men will seek sex sex from additional females even when they have a good or great relationship — it they think they can get away with it.

    In both cases there ARE strong emotional, id pulls in those directions. There are also moral restraints, and caring about individual people, and betas not being clearly that to wives that don’t actually think in Roissy speak, and so on. Many women do want to settle down with a man with more stability and a lot more loyalty than the most thrilling fling they ever had. Many women can love this less thrilling but still appealing man, who e.g. might be a “greater beta” in Roissy’s formulation.

    There’s a strong “if they think they can get away with it” component to the “women being amoral seeks of hypergamy” nostrum (at least at Roissy’s) as well. Get away both in terms of social consequence, and their own moral compass, which might be viewed as an internalization of the former.

    The real trouble is the extent to which American culture under the influence of feminism and preceding but still present chivalry (esp. in more traditional and conservative quarters) lets women get away with following their basic driving sexual urge agenda, with progressively less “judgmental” moral compass applied against or by them, in contrast to how much it punishes and polices against men pursing theirs.

    Consider current American divorce theft despite female cheating (or her uncaught “no fault” decision to cast off this one, and try for another one). Male cheating is the endlessly vilified evil that American media counsels American women to be endlessly vigilant against, and ruinously punished. We still lull men about the much lesser likelihood of female cheating (no longer true) and then subtly or not so subtly suggest that any female cheating is really the man’s fault (unlike the reverse w/ male cheating.) So 70% of divorces are initiated by women and more than that amount to really their decision to end it.

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  247. aoefe

    “If women’s numbers need to be mutiplied by 2, does it make sense that men’s need to be divided by 2?”

    According to what studies there are, men do not actually lie when asked their numbers. Women do.

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  248. Arpagus, you sociopath, define “affirmative action”.

    Firstly, I am not a sociopath. If I lacked feeling, I would just be an egoist and not bother with men’s activism. This is based on a sense of justice at least as much as self-interest.

    The affirmative action I am talking about is the forcible redistribution of resources from men to women in the name of equality. For example, 40% of all Norwegian corporate board seats must be female. If not, then the company is forcibly dissolved. That is just one small example and we all know what affirmative action is.

    Morality is womanish, in that it is feeling based and ultimately feeling based only.

    I don’t know about womanish, but admittedly all morality musty ultimately be based on feeling. I am a moral emotivist. So what?

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  249. Can’t say I followed Arpagus’ Revolution thru Rape very closely (he seems like an OK guy but I’ve been too busy to keep a close look on things here; 14-hours days, incl. working thru weekends; recession? what recession?)

    Anyway, I think I see where you are going with this: in a war between the sexes, rape is a legitimate weapon, I think you are saying.

    But the one ethical flaw with this reasoning is, is that rape is not just a crime against an individual woman. It is also a crime against your fellow man — that women’s husband or father, to the extent that they can claim dominion over her.

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  250. “Yes, the date was a success. I had sex for the first time in two years and feel much better now.”

    Yay, go Arpagus! I’m happy for you, it seemed like a much-needed service. (p.s. please don’t rape anybody!)

    And word up to what doug1 just said. Women absolutely ARE amoral seekers of hypergamy, but we’re also (mostly) smart enough to realize when to follow that drive and when to leave well enough alone. The only time that starts to break down is when there are no societal barriers against bed-jumping, cheating, abortion, divorce etc. Women DO have agency and free will, it’s just not necessary to exercise it anymore now and the natural urges are taking precedence as they will in any vacuum.

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  251. And by “men” I, of course, mean men in general. An individual man here or there will lie as to numbers, but by and large they have found that men tend to tell the truth whereas women do not.

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  252. Here is a link to that extreme board member affirmative action:

    http://www.mba.unisg.ch/org/es/mba.nsf/SysWebRessources/March-April/$FILE/Norway.pdf

    So you can see I am not making this up. If women can do that forcibly, why can’t men take what we want as well?

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  253. Arpagus, my statement that women will lie about numbers does not preclude them from telling the truth about numbers for a given time period. Asked how many they’ve slept with in the last year, you may get a true answer. Asked how many men they have slept with in their lifetime, you will likely get a lie.

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  254. PA, Arpie, Whoever,
    I think all this talk about Rape, etc et al, we just ought to drop it. Doesn’t help anyone, least of all Arpie himself. What DOES WORK is:

    GAME. That’s what did the trick, literally. And that’s what I would like to focus in on, what actually works, what actually gets results.

    Approximately one week ago Arpie hadn’t gotten laid in over two years. He broke that dryspell streak the other day, no that’s what the fuck I’m talking about.

    Like I said Arpie-and I care about you-you gotta let all that other bullshit go, Man. I’m telling you. That don’t mean you kiss Womens’ ass, that just means that you understand that thinking like that is what lead you to where you *were in the past*. And if you want more of the same, then keep thinking and talking like that.

    But now that you have another path, another way to the Pussy-you have a choice. I can lead you to the Promised Land Arpie, but you can’t serve two masters. You have to decide. Remember what I said about Frame-and how saying one thing and actually being another can fuck w/yours. Which means that Women will sniff that shit out. Which means you’ll get no pussy. Which will put you right back in the same slump we trying to get you out of.

    You’re making great strides, Man! I wanna keep building on that success while the iron’s still hot.

    Now, gimme a detailed report of what went down, and we’ll go from there, ok?

    I’m proud of ya. Helping another Man get laid is what life’s all about. 🙂

    The Obsidian

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  255. Re: the reader with the knocked up GF…I don’t think being a grad student with a child-liability on the way is too alpha. While I agree with the whole concept of keeping girls on the side/increasing the harem, this reader needs to concentrate on ending that pregnancy or getting out of dodge. That is what is important right now for him.

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  256. kalliope

    P.S. Whoever
    told you
    feminists
    don’t fuck?

    their frustrated lesbo wives

    PS – I’m a leg man btw

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  257. kalliope–

    Women absolutely ARE amoral seekers of hypergamy, but we’re also (mostly) smart enough to realize when to follow that drive and when to leave well enough alone. The only time that starts to break down is when there are no societal barriers against bed-jumping, cheating, abortion, divorce etc. Women DO have agency and free will, it’s just not necessary to exercise it anymore now and the natural urges are taking precedence as they will in any vacuum.

    Exactly.

    Very well put.

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  258. Firepower:

    “PS – I’m a leg man btw”

    Do you have
    one of those
    leg lamps
    in your living room?

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  259. kalliope

    Yay, go Arpagus! I’m happy for you, it seemed like a much-needed service. (p.s. please don’t rape anybody!)

    this is the most precious thing i’ve ever seen

    …next to kallippe’s “Hello Kitty Rape Whistle”

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  260. Yes, the date was a success. I had sex for the first time in two years and feel much better now.

    Sexless for two years drove you crazy? Pfft. It’s been three years for me, and I’m fine. Weakling.

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  261. “frustrated lesbo wives”?

    Big Bertha
    loves it when
    I plow her with
    my big black strap-on
    every month
    after our moon-goddess
    Wicca ceremony!

    P.s. I’m 5’9″ and I was a cross-country runner in HS, so pretty much all leg.

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  262. DA, meet kalliope…
    and bertha

    kalliope, meet David

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  263. @DavidAlexander:

    Do you like the new website and blogpost devoted to you?

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  264. Don’t hate Dave Alex, go to your own thread and knock yourself out, lol.

    O

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  265. Mandy! XD

    Firepower:

    Do you have
    one of those
    leg lamps
    in your living room?

    i have 5 living rooms

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  266. @Firepower:

    One for each weekday?

    What do you do on the weekends then?

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  267. kalliope–

    P.s. I’m 5′9″ and I was a cross-country runner in HS, so pretty much all leg.

    Oh yum!

    Nice calf muscles esp. on tall girls can be so delich!

    Do tell more.

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  268. Mandy! XD

    @Firepower:

    What do you do on the weekends then?

    have LILGRL re-enact scenes from Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket

    order aoefee to fetch Aero Bars and Coffee Crisp

    …you know. the usual

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  269. on July 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””Arpagus
    aoefe–

    Yes, the date was a success. I had sex for the first time in two years and feel much better now.

    My rhetorical points still stand, of course. Sex is a female resource even if I get lucky, and as that study shows, I really was lucky. Most women here are rather like you and want to wait five dates.””””””””””””””’

    Heeeeellllllllllll Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!1

    I get to live vicariously through arpagus.

    Scary a little but cool.

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  270. @Mandy

    “Even dancing?”

    You’d have to bake some great bread to earn the right to see my manly dancing.;)

    “Or drinking from a straw?”

    Protecting my teeth enamel from acidic liquids is extra super alpha manly.;)

    “Or do you chug?”

    Now you’re just trying to get me drunk

    “:O”

    It’s way too early for that.;)

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  271. Um, wow, I’m swimming in “it” compared to you guys. However: longest post-pubescent dry spell? Mine was 10 YEARS.

    “Attraction: either easy to get or next to impossible.”–Lance Mason.

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  272. on July 3, 2009 at 2:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Firepower you can’t say shit like that around guys who have no access. God Dam youooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

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  273. on July 3, 2009 at 2:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’Eurosabra
    Don’t want to retain a pro. Will see if long-term-game girl wants a cook-out he he he.

    I hate that my “successes” are so ambiguous. I had 4 phone numbers evaporate in the past 4 days. Have only had 2 day Twos in the past month.

    Need to get better, faster.””””””””””””””’

    Yea two day twos in a month 4 numbers 4 days is not bad for any normal guy probably.

    Sounds like your not doing as bad as 1 in 250 in reality. Unless you are going gangbusters.

    I mean after my seperation yea I had a hard time. It fucked me up mentally. After I trained her to suck dick, cook and everything else she goes to another guy. he he he
    Why I am more into the victorian type of guy now.

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  274. @Keith:

    “You’d have to bake some great bread to earn the right to see my manly dancing.;)”
    I won’t disappoint you.

    “Now you’re just trying to get me drunk”
    So I can draw on your face when you pass out.

    “It’s way too early for that.;)”

    What a dirty mind you have.

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  275. I really am not going all out. I mean, it was a good week, but I’m just not feelin’ it. Going to reassess, and see what secrets Janka DVDs hold. OTOH, it IS summer concert season.

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  276. @cptnapalm

    “According to what studies there are, men do not actually lie when asked their numbers. Women do.”

    Oh, I thought they might cuz you know they often lie about how big their ‘fish’ is.

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  277. By fish do you mean the gloriously large cache of women they’ve fucked or is this a beta name for male genitalia?

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  278. @Mandy

    “I won’t disappoint you.”
    You’re starting to convince me that you won’t.

    “So I can draw on your face when you pass out. ”
    So you want me helpless. Interesting.

    “What a dirty mind you have.”
    Another thing you like about me.

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  279. I was thinking fish, you know those fishing stories where guys catch the Big One and they say it’s at least six inches bigger than it really is. 😉

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  280. kalliope

    P.s. I’m 5′9″ and I was a cross-country runner in HS, so pretty much all leg.

    maybe i’ll have
    to keep you
    then

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  281. Re: Bhetti, the crazy Arab lady spoke

    Obviously, as evidenced by my half-assed insults, I am not hot for you right now. The only girls of the Arab race that interest me are your light-skinned, Lebanese Christian cousins, and if I wanted dark skin, there’s always my fellow Caribbean female who doesn’t come with the baggage of believing in Allah and his words in the Koran. Plus, you don’t have nails, your hair is probably ruined by the veil, and I suspect that you only own modest flats…

    And, BTW, negging some girl at work (“you’re not pretty enough to get a free tow”) pissed her off to the point that three weeks later, she’s still not talking to me.

    While one woman’s statements don’t magically prove anything, it adds to a long body of work by female friends, Roissy, and his fellow philosophical compatriots on the Internet that prove the idea that women are only capable of attraction and full sexual excitement with alpha males.

    As for dealing with flakey girls, even if she’s attracted to me, why should I waste and bother my time in trying to make some girl into a responsible adult when she should have been one in the first place? I want a finished product, not something that says “some assembly required” on the packaging.

    Thank you for the input into my man’s Game anyway

    If he had game, he wouldn’t be wasting his time with a Muslim virgin…

    Do you like the new website and blogpost devoted to you?

    Very much so. It’s like a hug. 🙂

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  282. I don’t think DA is as beta as you guys want to believe. I think he’s tooling you.

    Some of his comebacks are golden to boot. I still love his “post it, bitch” response when someone threatened to out him by posting his info. 😀

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  283. David Alexander, the Snorlax, has been awoken.

    The Snorlax is angry!

    He swings his club widely at Bhetti.

    Bhetti uses an ULTRABALL!

    David Alexander, the Snorlax, has been captured!

    A new entry has been added to your Pokedex!

    Give nickname to Snorlax?

    y/n?

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  284. @Mandy XD (the cutie patootie)

    “Give nickname to Snorlax?

    y/n?”

    I love it when you show your age! 🙂

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  285. @aoefe:

    You gotta catch ’em all!

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  286. Obsidian —

    What’s likely is the tragedy that befell the Black Community and White Britain. Both fell far and long. Not a “rape war” but rather, competing for women through brutality.

    A guy can thug it up and even with minimal earnings, be “Alpha” in a way that even Game cannot provide, by intimidating other men. This can take the Old West gunfighter heritage to extremes (Black Ghetto) or Roman-style in your face “glassing” as in Britain. Nevertheless, there it is, and Game can’t compete on a wider level, because thugging it up is so easy.

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  287. on July 3, 2009 at 4:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    Thugging it up is fun Whiskey. But yea not much future.

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  288. David Alexander, the Snorlax, has been awoken.

    David Alexander has been featured in several Pokemon games owned by his brother as a Slowbro. In fact, a picture of a Slowbro was my Facebook profile photo* for nearly a year or so.

    See: http://www.pokemondb.co.uk/images/artwork/slowbro.png

    *Currently, it’s a photo of NHK mascot Domo, but other photos have featured the sunsetting on a Jet Blue A320 jet engine and Kinki-Sharyo Jersey-spec light rail unit at a grade crossing in Bloomfield, NJ. They’re great ways to scare off women.

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  289. Arpagus —

    As Obsidian says, you need to change your frame of mind.

    Yeah, Scandinavia sucks for men. You should leave and go someplace that is more man-friendly. But in the meantime drop the rape stuff — even if you think it’s justified (which most of the rest of us don’t), it isn’t helpful. Women can sense a man who has some hostility towards women a mile away.

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  290. Whiskey,
    You really do need to get out into the Black community more, and not buy into so much hype. Trust me, no one’s gonna bother you if you act and walk like you got a pair, lol.

    Although I am very urban, I am not ghetto, and have never, ever, thugged it up to get any Woman in my entire life. Not only that but I know plenty other Black Men like myself who’ve also been very successful w/Women. So, I roundly reject the notion that the only guys who regularly get laid by hotties are thug niggas. Simply. Not. True.

    Arpagus, Eurosabra, etc et al will do just fine. They on theiry way, and I’m proud of em.

    O

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  291. S. said:

    After finding out the number of women he’s been with, I was well too aware that I didn’t really stand a chance.

    Maybe S. should have checked how many women he had seduced prior to her, BEFORE she slept with him?

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  292. @comment_whatever

    “Maybe S. should have checked how many women he had seduced prior to her, BEFORE she slept with him?”

    I’m not sure it would have mattered here’s a quote from S.

    “…and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women.”

    I’m not sitting in judgement of S. either, I have met her guy (in type) and they are GOOD.

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  293. @ novaseeker

    “But in the meantime drop the rape stuff — even if you think it’s justified (which most of the rest of us don’t), it isn’t helpful. Women can sense a man who has some hostility towards women a mile away.”

    SRSLY!!!!!!

    (@ Arpagus)

    Look, I see what your bigger point is with the rape stuff…but really…it just comes across as…well…

    creepy.

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  294. “I’m a hot, slutty,
    large-breasted”

    You know.. I think a lot of females are men “PUA”. They know the traits that lure many males and that’s why they flaunt them when they want to “secure” position…

    Yet!! they consider it threatening when men know how to lure them..?

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  295. Arpagus

    Thinking about coerced sex is a complete dead end. It is hard to tell how serious are really are, but, for what it is worth, the notion is almost more humilating for guys than for women. Much that is worthwhile about game is to be found in getting and keeping the right sort of confidence. Every second you spend thinking about sex as something to be taken from an unwilling woman takes you further from where you need to be and furthermore, what you describe will NEVER HAPPEN. One of several big reasons is that most women have male relatives who will not be enthused by your scheme.

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  296. “S.”:

    I’m a 20 year old woman. I’ve been with four men, that number including the aforementioned PUA. On the whole, I’m fairly responsible with my sexual decisions. Two of the men I’ve slept with have been relative long-term engagements, the third was short-term, but I did have feelings for him. […] The PUA I slept with initially presented himself as thoughtful and intelligent, but also arrogant, circumventing most everything I was saying. […] I slept with him on the second date. By the third date, I was having unprotected sex with him (completely out of character), and allowed him to take my anal virginity with the full knowledge at this point, that he would be moving away to another city, and that he had slept with around 35 women.

    Good Lord. This is as if Michael Jackson described himself as “fairly responsible with his lifestyle decisions.” I guess you could indeed point out far worse examples, but then, Michael Jackson could also compare himself favorably with, say, Sid Vicious.

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  297. @Lilgrl

    “…it just comes across as…well…

    creepy.”

    The creepiest part: The pro-rape guy got laid.

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  298. Although, as I consider things, our boy Arpagus, if he really puts his heart into the method acting part of this, could get on Craigslist and find himself in high demand within a particular sexual niche.

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  299. David:

    And, BTW, negging some girl at work (”you’re not pretty enough to get a free tow”) pissed her off to the point that three weeks later, she’s still not talking to me.

    Hey, guys, despite all protestations, DA could not help but apply game. Is it appropriate to do it as a novice in the workplace? If people are still willing to help, it seems that despite all the odds, he really couldn’t kill the male thoroughly enough. Someone help him do this correctly.

    Clearly, I was joking about you being hot for me. I’m quite aware of the reasons why not as I alluded to with the nail fetish (though surprised I come under the dark-skinned label — apparently only the Lebanese have whites/Christians, fancy that. Thought you kept your self-loathing racism to blacks! But am quite aware of your white preference). Didn’t realise you had a problem with my religious views either, abortionist Catholic.

    I didn’t realise veils were routinely impregnated with hair-destroying corrosive material of some sort. I also didn’t realise veils were worn on the hair, not on the face. Clearly I have not been reading my scripture closely enough, or paying attention to my fellow Arab and muslim’s hair, which deceptively seems like smooth locks of soft darkness upon first glance for the unwary. Beware, men! DO not be fooled by your eyesight! This hair is ruined by veils!

    You very well know or at least have an idea of what I don’t or do wear. You called the image ‘beautiful’, since we have to bring it up. Spare me any ‘I don’t pay attention/remember’ lies. Deliberately obtuse, provoking man. Satisfy your non-attraction threshold with the nails and not further delusions.

    While one woman’s statements don’t magically prove anything, it adds to a long body of work by female friends, Roissy, and his fellow philosophical compatriots on the Internet that prove the idea that women are only capable of attraction and full sexual excitement with alpha males.

    If he had game, he wouldn’t be wasting his time with a Muslim virgin…

    You managed to contradict yourself in the same comment! Well done!

    As for dealing with flakey girls, even if she’s attracted to me, why should I waste and bother my time in trying to make some girl into a responsible adult when she should have been one in the first place? I want a finished product, not something that says “some assembly required” on the packaging.

    For some it’d be because they’re attracted to her, regardless of her personality flaws. Such exacting standards.

    Do you like the new website and blogpost devoted to you?

    Very much so. It’s like a hug. 🙂

    You really cannot be sore with me after this stunning tribute to you. Let us hug.

    Mandy: Is nowhere safe from a Pokemon reference? It was uncool even in the Emirates at grade 8 or so! That’s nearly a decade! Siiigh… duck. (DAMNIT. Delete that right now, Bhetti. Delete it.) Careful, you’re going to force me to act my age. Come, my dear, let us put that silly show out of our mind and contemplate the nuances of something more elevated. One must play at being the sophisticate. Suggestions? Nietzche? Gleick? LOLCATS?

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  300. Hey, guys, despite all protestations, DA could not help but apply game.

    She was a test bed for all intents and purposes. I had a crush on her, and she would probably be a 5 or 6 to most guys here, but she had bonus points to me since she had nails and heels. Mind you, there was no chance for a relationship since she’s Irish and she’s engaged.

    Re: Islam and Arabs

    IIRC, aren’t the Lebanese the only really whitish looking Arabs in the Middle East while other Arab groups vary in skin tone from dark to a healthy tanned look? As for Islam, even with my liberal tendencies, I admittedly have some apprehensions toward the religion, and it’s hard to view it in the same way as another Christian faith or even Eastern traditions given the histories of some of its adherents in the past fifty years. Maybe it’s me, but it doesn’t come across as something that its adherents have “watered down” for Western consumption and acceptance. Yes, it’s awful stereotyping, something that I should be against, and while I’m not the “round them up and send them away type”, some of the attitudes and actions of the adherents, particularly those of the Arab world lead one to caution. I suspect that I’ll be flamed later on for what I wrote…

    As for marrying a Muslim, given that men who marry Muslim women have to convert, I’m much to wedded to my own religion to even consider converting for a Muslim woman even if she had nails and heels and put up with me. Hell, even I shot down Athena’s secret attempts to shit test me by determining if I’ll convert by saying no to the idea of one for any future long-term relationship.

    You managed to contradict yourself in the same comment! Well done!

    I failed to see how I did so. I merely noted that her quote added to a long compendium of work that supports my ideas and my church.

    For some it’d be because they’re attracted to her, regardless of her personality flaws. Such exacting standards.

    But the flakiness is such a distraction from her other qualities. Who really wants to be the adult dating a child?

    You really cannot be sore with me after this stunning tribute to you. Let us hug.

    Of course. The veil references were attempts to poke fun at your beauty and attractiveness. And I seriously don’t remember viewing your photo…

    But you win a hug. 🙂

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  301. It was uncool even in the Emirates at grade 8 or so!

    My brother has been playing Pokemon for nearly a decade or so, and you’ll still find him to this day playing Pokemon on the train ride to school or playing online with his friends and girlfriend. Mind you, he hates the cartoon and thinks it’s utter crap.

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  302. Dave Alex, you gotta be kidding when you ask how do you contradict yourself? You do it all the time, lol. In fact you do it so often that you don’t even notice the cognitive dissonance, so dead you are to even your own self.

    Sad.

    As for Islam, yes, there are “White” looking “Arabs”-just take a look at Iran, or Turkey, or for that matter, some parts of say, Iraq. Lebanon in no way has the lock on this thing, although they are one of the more Christian sectors of that region of the world.

    As for Islam itself, like so many other things, you really do need to get out more. In no way does the Arab world define solely, the whole of Islam, and in fact it is a distinct numerical minority, an influential one, but a minority nonetheless. Islam takes on the cultural folkways etc that it finds itself in. Hence why you won’t see all Muslims looking exactly alike in terms of dress. For example, very few Women in the Islamic world actually wears the burka, and some even go around w/o any hijab at all. In Africa, Muslim Women look completely different in dress than they do in Tehran or Riyadh or Baghdad. Same deal in Malaysia or India or Indonesia.

    And of course, there are many White Muslims, in places like Chechnya, and Bosnia for examples. So again, you really do need to get out more.

    O

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  303. Heh…the flirt-fest between Bhetti and DA is very cute. BTW Bhetti, do you still live in the Emirates? I am considering taking a job offer in Dubai this year, any tips/advice for an American girl new to the Middle East?

    @Arpagus

    Total agreement with everyone else on the rape issue. Your point is understandable, but please, for your own good just drop it. You are a good-looking guy and if you lost the chip on your shoulder and picked up some game, I think you could score with lots of women. The rape stuff will just hurt your chances because women do pick up on the hostility and they will not fuck a man who scares them.

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  304. on July 3, 2009 at 9:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””Kalliope,
    will not fuck a man who scares them.””””””””

    Shouldn’t that be reversed he he he

    Advice on middle east for you. Don’t go your not needed.
    Any more questions?

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  305. As for Islam, yes, there are “White” looking “Arabs”-just take a look at Iran, or Turkey, or for that matter, some parts of say, Iraq.

    Except Turks and Iranians aren’t Arabs.

    As for Islam itself, like so many other things, you really do need to get out more.

    The problem is that Arabian Islam has clouded up the stereotypes of what Islam represents, and thanks to the demographics of terrorists and other disaffected young youths in Europe, while a Muslim like yourself or some Malayan kid aren’t threatening, some young Arab or Pakistani immigrant in traditional clothing can cause some tensions.

    the flirt-fest between Bhetti and DA is very cute

    That wasn’t flirting. That was her talking and me being a pointless twit.

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  306. @DA

    “me being a pointless twit.”

    Hmmmm I guess there is a bad thing as being too self aware. Who knew.

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  307. kalliope: Have not been on the Dubai scene in five years. However, mother still deals with people from there. From what I’ve seen of her and having to be taken seriously in business Arab world… when coming into contact with traditional Arabs, do the following:
    — Take the most cut-throat American careerist feminist
    — Multiply by x5
    Seriously, NO MERCY if you want to retain a position of dominance.

    DA: No, not my picture, but a lovely description of one by someone we both know.

    Obsidian: The Arab world is quite diverse in its Islamic views. The Gulf is more traditional, with Saudi Arabia as the extreme example popularised into every Westerner’s psyche. Iran doesn’t count as Arab, even though muslim and in general area. Still, the Emirates which is a synthesis of traditional gulf and Westernisation.

    For most places in the Arab world and as demonstrated in Arab media, it’s relatively liberated and Westernised in comparison to most Islamic countries. A majority of women, especially young and unmarried (while advertising the wares, I imagine!), are not covered. American films are the prevalent ones to see in the cinema. And so on.

    Islam seems to have faded from the Arab identity in a major way and is actually forming part of the increasing death and division, of which the frankly blasphemous Sunni/Shiia split is a blatant symptom. It’s not religious extremism — looking at the victims — but a disintegration of Islamic unity, which formed a fundamental tenet of the initial Islamic empire-building.

    The British and French were extremely influential in their occupation of the general Arab area. That remains and has been expanded upon today. Fundamentalism is a reaction to the massive invasion of progressivism into the previously Islamic Arab domain.

    Re: DA. Most of Western Arabia i.e. Lebanon, Palestine, bits of Egypt, so on, can have very white selections. Courtesy of the occupations, no doubt, or at least reinforced by them.

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  308. Guess it’s an irony. While you guys worry about Islam “invading”, the feminist mindset is gaining power even in Saudi Arabia. That’s part of the helplessness and frustration the fundamentalists were all about; this sense of powerlessness against Western influences.

    It’s not completely hopeless, Sex & the City has not hit the Arab airwaves.

    Still, give it a couple of generations.

    If you look at my case example, I have always been the one least interested in men and fairly very interested in religion among my Arab peer group of females.

    And I haven’t done brilliantly that way.

    So, hmm.

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  309. on July 3, 2009 at 10:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea Bhetti it is sad really that the divorce laws will be spread to almost the whole world.

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  310. on July 3, 2009 at 10:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    It can’t be because the men are begging for it. I believe it has to be a little more insidious than that. Plus realy fucked up that whole rules of life and slavery will be being applied to generations of men who where not ready and have never seen it happen to people they know. They will be just caught unaware like our fathers.

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  311. on July 3, 2009 at 10:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Prime examples macedonia bosnia croatia.

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  312. on July 3, 2009 at 10:24 pm Gunslingergregi

    So apparently thinking about it. It does not take war to enslave countries of people. You just have to get some of there laws changed.

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  313. on July 3, 2009 at 10:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Now think of how many woman will be killed in the pursuit of these laws. Considering men in macedonia bosnia croatia will prob not tollerate that as much.

    Now India on the bandwagon probably pakistan.

    European union.

    The whole world is coming under the feminist order. Who is pushing it?

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  314. It’s not completely hopeless, Sex & the City has not hit the Arab airwaves.

    I shall set up an company that shall broadcast Sex & the City on available frequencies on pirate radio and television while air dropping DVDs of show to infiltrate your people. Then with enough capital, I shall produce localized Arab versions of American TV shows to bring the feminism to your people, and corrupt them.

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  315. on July 3, 2009 at 10:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    Already traditional for guy in macedonia bosnia croatia to go and work in another country and send the loot back so their family can have a better life. Now they will be forced to do that by law so that the state can look like the good guy and guys can look like deadbeats if they don’t pay.

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  316. on July 3, 2009 at 10:31 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea dave so everyone in the world can beg their boss for a day off.

    You fucking slimy piece of shit.

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  317. PA:

    Anyway, I think I see where you are going with this: in a war between the sexes, rape is a legitimate weapon, I think you are saying.

    Yes, just as legitimate as the weapons feminists are using. This does not mean I am “pro rape.” People are quoting me out of context. Nor was I the one bringing up rape in this thread and it really isn’t a concern of mine right now. Maybe it can be laid to rest and I can get around to the report The Obsidian is talking about after some quick points.

    But the one ethical flaw with this reasoning is, is that rape is not just a crime against an individual woman. It is also a crime against your fellow man — that women’s husband or father, to the extent that they can claim dominion over her.

    Well, feminists pride themselves on being liberated from the dominion of any man. Even a married feminist would be offended by the notion that rape is a crime against her husband, because her body is so totally her own that he has no claim on her sexuality and even sex with her husband can easily be rape.

    Rum:

    What you describe will NEVER HAPPEN. One of several big reasons is that most women have male relatives who will not be enthused by your scheme.

    They also pride themselves on being able to go anywhere, anytime without being guarded by male relatives.

    As noted, I have already personally dropped the rape thing because I can do better. What is left is an observation that stands on its own. Plenty of women feel perfectly justified in forcibly taking whatever men have more of until there is equality. They are so many and powerful that this is increasingly coerced by the state. The same feminists say the personal is political. Sex is unquestionably a female resource, and due to female hypergamy, sexual inequality gets far worse when women are made equal in other ways. By this very same logic, applied to men, it is obvious that men are justified in using coercion to achieve sexual parity. It should be just as easy for us to get laid if you believe in equality (which, for the record, I don’t. I am a libertarian). I am just saying, be careful what you wish for, because rape is also equality and one day men might demand equality too. After all, we are weaned on propaganda saying the sexes should be equal and force is a perfectly legitimate way to achieve this end.

    I have never met anyone else who condones rape. Rapists are universally condemned and hardly ever try to justify the act (instead they claim they didn’t do it or it was consensual). Imagine if even a relatively small number of sexually frustrated men felt rape is justified. Feminism, with my help, has given them that justification.

    Mandy:

    But how do you plan to take it from women? Mass raping them? Kidnapping a bunch of them to be used for sex? I mean…wth.

    I am not planning any of this, just saying it might be risky for women if men start taking equality seriously. Mass rape and kidnapping is probably unlikely, but being alone with a sex-starved man who feels as entitled to sex as women feel about all their equality will not be safe.

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  318. DA: Buffy and Charmed (empowered women! literally) were in the Arab airwaves and very popular.

    The only American shows that’re not shown are explicit ones.

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  319. As for Islam, yes, there are “White” looking “Arabs”-just take a look at Iran, or Turkey, or for that matter, some parts of say, Iraq. Lebanon in no way has the lock on this thing, although they are one of the more Christian sectors of that region of the world.

    Most Arabs of the Middle East, certainly including Bhetti, are “white looking” in the wider sense of white. Many look rather Jewish, from an American perspective, though typically hotter.

    Certainly they are more “tanned looking” than Poles or Scots, but then so too are southern Italians (most American ones) and Greeks. Basically, Arabs are Mediterranean looking. There are subtle differences between them.

    There are also a minority of Arabs that look quite black, no doubt reflecting the importation of female slaves into Arab lands. Yes, well, usually sex slaves. (There was a more wholesale importation for slave plantation purposes in to Southern Iraq though.) But this doesn’t have a big impact on the general appearance — generally.

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  320. Keith:

    The creepiest part: The pro-rape guy got laid.

    Yes, we all know being respectful of women is the best way to get laid. 🙂

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  321. @Doug1:

    Isn’t that because most Middle Eastern people are Caucasian? Just tan caucasian?

    Also, there are lot of gorgeous Arabs. I’m thinking Saleh Bakri (I think he’s an actor from Israel, maybe? I’m not sure) and Roubi (Egyptian pop singer).

    Seriously.

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  322. Well, feminists pride themselves on being liberated from the dominion of any man.

    Fair enough. Leave alone women who have onwers/handlers who speak for them (fathers, husbands, boyfriends). With independent feminists – knock yourself out 🙂

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  323. Arpagus,

    Just wondering, how much experience do you have with the use of force against another human being, or with defense against that use of force? There is a dualism to sex in that men conceive of it as aggression, yet everything hinges on consent. Just because the same physical act can be a painful violation and an ecstatic coupling, we can’t be blurring our categories. But then again, I think you may be a bit more hot-blooded than most here. Unless you are dealing with BDSM, you need to put it from your mind, because it WILL alter your energy in a negative fashion.

    I wander around a bit “empty” from my depression, and often fail to approach, even in target-rich environments. But the anger was disabling, until I vanquished it.

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  324. Mandy: Now that I think about the typical Arabic music channel… nails, heavy make up…
    Haifa: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/HaifaWehbe2.jpg
    Nancy: http://www.aljaml.com/files/images/Nancy-Ajram.preview.jpg
    ^– Lebanese.
    Nawal el Kuwaitia: http://www.imghndl.com/images/758_331695150.jpg
    ^– Kuwait
    Angham: http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/6058/anghamwm8.jpg
    ^– Egypt
    Asala:

    ^– Syria
    Shatha:

    ^– Iraq

    PA: one does forget about being populist.
    Why am I opposing a feminist utopia in any way again? You men can get screwed! ROYALLY! I’m not going to stand in the feminists’ way, RAPISTSS!!

    😉

    Where’s a Biting Beaver when you need ‘un?

    Anyway, I guess an environment in which your survival lies on the strength of your ‘handler’, you really must go for alpha.

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  325. To interpret what Arpagus may have meant (he’ll correct me if I’m wrong):

    If women are willing to use the power of the state to deprive men of what belongs to men, to take what they have not been willing to earn, etc etc while also depriving men of what they have on offer which is of interest to men then men owe nothing in the way of justice or humanity or anything else to women. Sort of a pseudo-Hobbesian state of nature, but with two contending factions, men and women instead of atomic individuals.

    May have gotten his point wrong, but, as I wrote, he’ll certainly correct me if I’m mistaken.

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  326. @arpagus

    Yes, we all know being respectful of women is the best way to get laid. 🙂

    Congratulations; you’ve finally reached the point of negative validation. Getting laid didn’t raise your value; it just lowered hers.

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  327. Violence against women is unmanly. It’s something barbaric Muslims and other, demonstrably inferior cultures do. Not civilized Western men of any race.

    As for Islam, there is nothing new with the resurgence of fundamentalism. Many times reformers have diagnosed what’s wrong with the body politic of Muslim lands, and prescribed … more Islam. Eric Ambler’s State of Siege covers this, in a fictional Indonesia, where the reformist Muslim fundamentalists are caught in a trap by the crafty Army leaders. One character, a native Muslim, asks just what more Mosques will do improve productivity or wealth of the people?

    Globalization of course means more than Buffy and Charmed in Muslim houses, it means even fairly syncretic cultures like Indonesia’s (which was not that liberal by Western standards) lurch towards the Saudi model, as do Muslims in Europe, in America, in Latin America, and in Africa. It means trillions of Saudi oil money to make all of Islam Wahabbist, what is not Shia Khomenist, that is. There is no more peaceful moderate Muslims and Islam than there were peaceful, moderate Nazis or Japanese Imperialists in 1938. There cannot be, the Saudi-ization of Islam complete with polygamy (as bin Laden said, its “the proper way to live as Muslims because that’s what Mohammed did,”) means a few men have most women and most men have none.
    ———————————-
    The male-female conflict is ultimately going to degenerate into either hard polygamy of the Muslim/FLDS variety, or soft of the Black Ghetto or British Chav. Guys competing over women by being tough, and smacking them around with impunity (a feature of both Chavs and Ghetto Blacks). Dalrymple describes both his patients and professional nurses getting the hell beat out of them by their boyfriends, and going back to them.

    Heck that was Buffy. Her vampire boyfriend raped her, and she fell even more deeply in love with him, had off-screen implied sex with him. He was sort-of-Alpha, Buffy ignored him (Spike) when Angel was around. Women LOVED that. Went nuts over it (though series star Gellar hated that plot). That basic plot was repeated by Rescue Me (women loved it). And I think a few other shows.

    If women did not respond to violent men and create them, then Dalrymple’s nurses and patients would have sought nice, decent men unlikely in the extreme to abuse them. Buffy, Rescue Me, and other shows with that plot line would have been hounded off the air and their show-runners forced to apologize. Sad fact is, women crave dominant violence. It’s the ugly truth about female flaws. [Men have their own just as ugly, but there it is.]

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  328. No, Dave Alex, the problem is with fundamentally lazy people such as yourself who couldn’t be bothered to actually go down to the local mosque and actually spend a bit of facetime w/real Muslims, or to take they sorry ass to a library and crak open a book about the great diversity of the Islamic world. They’d rather let the boobtube inform them on what they think Islam is and who represents it. But then again, coming from you, none of this is surprising.

    And if you noticed-you probably didn’t given how slothful you are-I put Persians and Turks in quotation marks, ie I know they’re not Arabs, but are often thought of as such here in the mentally lazy and/or brain dead West.

    O

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  329. While I await Arpie’s report I’ve been reading closely his thoughts on the whole rape piece and I have to say, I see exactly what he’s saying. Its in Womens’ best interests that guys like him learn Game. Otherwise, shit could get quite ugly out here for the Fairer Sex.

    Looking forward to that report, Arpie.

    O

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  330. Arpagus

    For example, 40% of all Norwegian corporate board seats must be female. If not, then the company is forcibly dissolved.

    Man, that’s insane. I can see how that would provoke violent outrage.

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  331. Doug

    … It’s partly true, and useful to correct the traditional “girls are sugar and spice and everything nice” view or propaganda about women’s basic nature. But it’s ultimately no more true than the saying that “all men are dogs”

    Yes, of course. I also counter the extreme Whiskey view that women are unified in their sexual desires and only truly want the alphas. And yet there remains an undercurrent of common drives that are choiceless to women.

    My view is that women are biologically constrained within bounds of what they can want, and have leeway within those bounds to excercise personal choice. I voice the “women are devilish whores” point when people over-emphasise choice, and forget the base drives that persist. I’m very in touch with my base drives, and it irks me when people are so out of touch with their own that they project this sense of heady intellectual choice onto the actions of females, willy nilly. It’s more accurate and useful to view them as devilish whores, who can at times excercise restraint, than to view them as upstanding citizens who can at times backslide. Because the emotional desires are primary, and the intellectualizing comes next, usually as rationalization for emotions.

    Consider current American divorce theft despite female cheating (or her uncaught “no fault” decision to cast off this one, and try for another one). Male cheating is the endlessly vilified evil that American media counsels American women to be endlessly vigilant against, and ruinously punished. We still lull men about the much lesser likelihood of female cheating (no longer true) and then subtly or not so subtly suggest that any female cheating is really the man’s fault (unlike the reverse w/ male cheating.) So 70% of divorces are initiated by women and more than that amount to really their decision to end it.

    That’s a point worth bringing up and pointing out, repeatedly and in different ways. The social inequity of the sexual marketplace, as it is now legally enforced.

    My solution to that is to not live in countries with such laws and attitudes.

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  332. Xsplat — under the current social regime of no restraint and no keeping it in your pants most of the time, both women and men will behave badly. Since both are driven by lust rather than love most of the time.

    Most men are just incapable of exercising it, since the short-term arrangements make us unattractive compared to the Alphas.

    Women are perfectly capable of marrying and remaining faithful to betas, but society must be constructed to do that and it requires considerable social control and pressure on women’s sexuality, and the few Alpha males. Joe Average Herb “Kitchen Bitch” remains unattractive except to his wife. He might want to cheat but the only offer he’ll get is the David Alexander kind.

    Obsidian — Muslim culture is being flattened the way Western culture is. McDonalds is hugely popular … in France, home of gourmet cuisine. The same forces that make Nike, Michael Jackson, and Kobe Bryant household words make Wahabbism the standard for Islam globally. Powered by the internet, satellite TV, and Saudi/Gulf money. The tendency is towards more, not less Islam and domination. This is as true of Turks, ruled by Islamists who reject Kemalism, as it is for Londonistan. Second and third generation Muslim men in the West are not more assimilated, they are LESS assimilated and engage in more Jihad. Mostly this is due to the huge competition for “proper muslim girls” made worse by honor killings, itself the bane of Muslims in the West.

    Muslim men cannot abide sexually active young women or even the threat of it, so brothers, Fathers, and mothers conspire to kill girls as young as 14. It’s brutal, disgusting, and the biggest indictment of Muslim men I can think of. That the religion prompts Muslim fathers to kill their own daughters, Muslim brothers to murder their own sisters.

    This alone pronounces Islam and Muslims an utter, and complete failure. In every way. David Alexander, for all his flaws, is a giant among men compared to the Greatest Muslim man.

    There is nothing so foul and debauched, as to cause a man to murder his own daughter. Nothing.

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  333. Whiskey

    Xsplat — Your suggestion not to live in places that enforce such laws is not very helpful.

    I never suggested that others follow my lead. I mentioned what my personal solution is. It works for me. I have no opinion on what would work for western culture.

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  334. Wiskey, I agree that social control helps to foster long term family based relationships. We also agree that Islam is extreme in their inforcement of social control.

    Where you and I always disagree is to what degree social control can be effective in this modern era of widely available birth control, and female access to lucrative employment, and female ability to travel and live lives independent from the influence of family and community. My view is that with those options, women are less inclined to form stable family units, regardless of social control.

    Only in small villages does social influence, for example Islam, affect the age of loss of virginity – and nowadays even in small muslim villages in Indonesia, virgins are becoming less and less common.

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  335. Actually, I do have an opinion on what would help western culture. Men need to stop trusting women. They need to learn that women are two faced and calculating, and that a women never knows her own motivations. Men need to start treating women as a devilish whore to be emotionally enslaved for his benefit. They need to learn to be always on guard, and forever seeking advantage.

    When men man up and fight the war of the sexes with panache and verve, there will be a reballancing of sexual power.

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  336. Women are perfectly capable of marrying and remaining faithful to betas, but society must be constructed to do that and it requires considerable social control and pressure on women’s sexuality, and the few Alpha males. Joe Average Herb “Kitchen Bitch” remains unattractive except to his wife. He might want to cheat but the only offer he’ll get is the David Alexander kind.

    I rip into Whiskey a fair bit, but this is a really good comment. Cudos.

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  337. Again about choosing the view that to properly love a woman is to know that deep down she is a devilish whore – that’s another way of phrasing that I despise good people.

    You see, people who don’t own their shadow selves are self-righteous, and incapable of loving imperfection.

    To properly appreciate someone, you must see their shadow side, and know that in yourself is the same capacity.

    In women always lies the capacity for cold calculating duplicity, infidelity, and random lust. To be devilish means to be two faced and manipulating. In all woman lies the capacity for whoredom. It’s only a matter of price, opportunity and gina tingle. All women are devilish, and whores. This is their nature, and to deny it is to deny oneself the full capacity to enslave a woman. You can’t puppet a puppet fully unless you can pick up all of its strings – and women have devilish and whorish strings to be grabbed.

    Good people refuse to pick up all of the strings, and they deny their own shadow material. They try so hard to be something, they lose a good deal of what they are.

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  338. A huge mistake that men make is to equate love with trust. Trust is the last thing you ever want to hand over to someone you love. That’s a death sentence to passion, and to your manhood. And it’s an insult to womans capacity for freshness and surprise.

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  339. “Female sexuality, without controls, and women keeping their pants zipped up, around violent dangerous men, is just as destructive as male sexuality. Women create the market for violent and dangerous men, and then complain when they get exactly what they asked for.

    This is why every society controls female sexuality and Alpha male sexuality (beta males are unwanted, so their sexuality is irrelevant).”

    @whiskey —

    Every society while it was successful.

    As we know from J.D. Unwin’s book “Sex and Culture”, it appears to be a historical cycle that when a given civilization reaches a level of great power and prosperity, the emancipation of women (sexually and economically) takes place. And, as Unwin points out, this inevitably leads to social decline because men and women begin to avoid marriage and children, which leads to men investing less in themselves and society, and hedonism becoming a dominant social model. Primary historical examples are Babylon and Rome. As Unwin points out, every successful society has pretty significantly regulated female sexuality, but has also given way to pressures to deregulate it at the apex of its power, only to face a relatively swift and inevitable decline thereafter.

    This is precisely the historical moment we are experiencing in the contemporary West. It is nothing new, but simply the current iteration of a historical phase that seems to take place in late stage powerful civilizations before they collapse and are replaced with something else.

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  340. Upthread, OneSTDV made some passing comments wrt Game and Black Men that I’d really like to focus in on, especially since he, Roissy and others seem to have such a keen interest in HBD and its social and political implications.

    First of all One and I seem to agree, that on average Black Men have more “natural Game” than do Men of other races-in the USA, that means, White, Asian and Hispanic. Roissy has said as much previously here in the forum, as have other contributors.

    So we all seem to be in agreement on this score.

    Of course, the devil’s in the details, as One’s recent comments shows. Above he suggests that one reason why Black Men are so much better at Game, is due largely to the lower-class nature of Black Women, that they respond more to crass and overt shows and displays of dominance than do their better heeled White Sisters.

    *Sly grin*

    Now, anyone who has actually studied Game, and especially has read this blog in particular, would know that not only does OneSTDV have much familiarity with Game, but that his comments are, in a word, BULLSHIT. “Asshole Game” is frequently spoken of, in a most favorable light here and elsewhere; as also WHITE Women’s fascination with jerks. Can’t get much more crass or overt, than that.

    Of course, being on the side of HBD *with criticism*, I agree with the general premise that there are real differences between the races, and that this cannt help but be seen in one of life’s most important pursuits, tht of survival and reproduction. So, yea, if carefully parsed out, One’s observations, er, speculation, about the why’s and wherefores of Black Male natural facility with Game, could make sense. Of course, the problem here, as I have pointed out numerous times to OneSTDV (repitition IS the Mother of Learning, afterall), is that one has to view these issues through a door, instead of a keyhole.

    In any event, whatever the cause or reason, taken as a group, Black Men have little to worry when it comes to getting their balls drained-the issue is the White and Asian (Chinese, Korean, Indian and Pakistani) guys who, despite their good, gainful jobs and solid middle American upbringing, still are home on Saturday night with nowhere to go. Both Roissy and One have kinda sorta nibbled around the edges here, but neither them nor anyone else has brutally tackled this issue head on-which is:

    Why Johnny Can’t Get Laid???
    Now, listen, very, very carefully…

    IF HBD is real-and I think most, if not all people reading this, would agree that it is indeed real at least to a certain degree-and IF Black guys do indeed seem to have more natural Game than White and Asian guys do-and IF the Game community is largely comprised of said White and Asian guys who are spending large sums, attending bootcamps and the like, w/mixed, at best results…

    MIGHT the fact, that them being White and Asian of a certain type…say, having an IQ that is too high…mean that, in a very real sense, learning Game will be at best, a nominal effort w/similar results and returns? Might HBD have anything to do with this fact?

    Up until now, much of the conversation surrounding HBD has been in what I call the “hard” areas-statistica results, test scores, IQ numbers, bell curves, etc. And invariably, much of the discussion has been focused on the problems that are inherent when the left side of curve become predominant. While I think these interests are elaborate smokescreens at times for scapegoating and at others legit concerns, nevertheless there is no discussion about the very real downsides of being *too smart* if you’re a guy (and to a lesser extent, if you’re a gal-but you can still get some dick if you want it). In fact, its almost as if the hardest chargers for HBD simply don’t see any downside for being an Egghead.

    Game would disagree.

    So, ladies, gentlemen-I say its time we really get down to the nitty gritty here-first, is there any basis to the idea that HBD can inform Game? Next, if so, and Black guys have more natural Game, what could this be due to-more and higher levels of T, and/or, lower g? And if *that* is true, then what does it say for the highbrow White and Asian guys-can Game really help them, or not? And why?

    Why Can’t Johnny Get Laid?, is my question, ladies and gentlemen.

    Comments?

    The Obsidian

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  341. whiskey:

    There is nothing so foul and debauched, as to cause a man to murder his own daughter. Nothing.

    Agreed. However, looking at the recommendations of the local muslim leaders, their solutions to straying daughters is to talk to them, leave them, ostracise them. Definitely not killing them in capital letters warning. This may be a conscious or unconscious obedience to the letter of Western law and taboos of Western society but it is there. Still, in the relatively Islamic country I was in, the common solution was forced marriage. This was also true in the case of the more conservative countries my relatives have lived in.

    This does not erase “honour” killings as having been done by supposed members of the faith. Reasons seem more cultural and I’m not sure if it is an exclusively Islamic sin, or one of an uncivilised culture and individuals, dizzy with their power as men.

    The tendency is towards more, not less Islam and domination.

    Disagree.

    What happens, whiskey, is that the muslims become more and more polarised, between extreme Islam or milder versions. It makes no sense and is not in line with my presence in the community that the default polarisation is towards the extreme direction for the majority. It is not. Humans choose the easiest, pleasure-inducing paths and extreme Islam is not that. The ‘muslims’ and South Asians immersed in Western culture and thinking would rather go drinking at the union and have some fun, rather than go to the latest lecture ages away. Even if they didn’t, there’s enough programming by the culture to make them feel as horrified at the idea of killing their daughters rather than let them be free, and acknowledge their own failure as a family in their daughter’s straying.

    The usual solution is marrying her off asap to a man rather than killing them.

    xsplat:

    Because the emotional desires are primary, and the intellectualizing comes next, usually as rationalization for emotions.

    In terms of general morality: it is a bit horrific actually, not being able to rationalise. Eats at you, knowing what you’ve done, flagellating yourself for lack of restraint.

    Men need to stop trusting women.

    Agreed, perhaps not to the extent of having to think ‘devilish whore’ just to understand this concept. Be loving but vigilant, don’t express trust and let her know of this. Watch, attend, question. However, not with unreasonable paranoia; that’s poison and I think contrary to some theories, most women are concerned with both their emotional wellbeing and their sexual gratification. There’s a balance to strike between the two and extremes of violating either spells the end for the postive aspects of both feelings.

    A huge mistake that men make is to equate love with trust. Trust is the last thing you ever want to hand over to someone you love. That’s a death sentence to passion, and to your manhood. And it’s an insult to womans capacity for freshness and surprise.

    How about a woman trusting a man, the lack of which is a powerful emotive motivation behind feminism?

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  342. If a woman trusts that she owns her man completely, and that he would not ever leave her, that’s the death of passion as well. It’s a mans duty to instill fear of loss in his mate, to keep her freshly interested in pleasing him.

    However a well enslaved mate will develop a deep trust in her man, to manager her life and their life together.

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  343. “However a well enslaved mate will develop a deep trust in her man, to manager her life and their life together.”

    You mean like a pimp?

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  344. @anony – no, because a husband generally doesn’t sell his wife to other men for sex. at least not where i’m from.

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  345. You mean like a pimp?

    Yes. However trust must be earned, and its unusual that the best management of a woman’s life is to pimp her out – so I’d think most women wouldn’t develop deep trust for a pimp.

    The principle is the same though.

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  346. xsplat: Perfect! She has to trust him that way or she will feel the need to control, take over, even deceive and so on. Practically, she gets input and feedback on what’s going on but he will always have the final say. A different model is a state of insecurity and imdependence that seems to result in less happiness for perhaps the majority of women, as well as the men they are with. Manageable, perhaps, but not completely natural.

    ‘enslaved’: A voluntary, emotionally and sexually driven surrender and desire to please.

    Basically, the most binding and powerful relationship is one where she trusts him to be a man and do what he should be doing that way. Including taking care of them both and their best interests. On the flipside, she realises consciously and is driven emotionally to keep him interested in doing this and keeping her by constantly making his life at least some taste of whatever he considers bliss.

    It has never been more difficult to trust a man and allow vulnerable femininity than in an extreme feminist climate. The programming lurks even still, with the aspersions of inferiority for the foibles and weaknesses of being a woman as opposed to being a man. You don’t want her to be a man. She doesn’t want to be a man. Noone wins.

    Perhaps where extreme feminism really started was when women felt inferior simply for being a woman and not doing whatever men do, the way men do it. Misogyny, thy name is modern feminism.

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  347. Xsplat — I agree that as a practical matter, women will not cede the autonomy, independence of social controls, and media environment that celebrate short-term sexual activity at the expense of long-term ones. I agree that the long-term social trends = single motherhood. In “theory” you could push women out of social spaces to the situation of say, 1955, but that’s politically impossible.

    However, I don’t think that there will be any rebalancing of power. Women remain the ones in short supply, and willing to share Alphas, further lessening supply. With that, all we can best have is lots of thuggishness to compete for women short term, no investment in women or kids, basically the Black Ghetto or British Chavs writ large throughout the West. Which is what women want anyway. I don’t see monogamous bonds within context of women being viewed as “devilish whores” since no man will commit to or marry a whore. Merely use her for transient sex.

    Which means ultimately, lots of single mother kids. Girls having lots and lots of partners because they start early and seek the absent Daddy. Boys being sullen, withdrawn, often violent, and in trouble with the law. Without trust and love, there is no nuclear family, merely transient passengers on the bus of short term relationships. People get on and off. Ultimately, the collapse of the West, as technology advantages erode and manpower becomes critical, and manpower becomes something only repressive Islamists can manage.

    Obsidian — I somewhat agree. Blacks have a stigma against acting “White” aka with any desire to pursue intellectual things such as reading. Instead focusing on thuggish displays. Women DESPISE intelligence in men, particularly White/Asian women, unless it’s mitigated by extreme risks, BASE jumping and stuff like that. White/Asian guys probably cannot overcome the issues with intelligence, which is lower testosterone. Smart girls face no such issues — they are either hot or not, and even faking an interest in geeky pursuits has the geeks all over them. Blacks may or may not have higher testosterone, but they culturally suppress for the most part any intellectual pursuits, and have higher perceived testosterone.

    Johnny can’t get laid because women are oriented towards short-term hook-ups, wanting only the top 20% of men or so, and willing to share them.

    Bhetti — the violence veto of Islamists beats everything else. This is why there is no “moderate” Muslims.

    The “enslaving” of women to men is deeply alien to Western Men. Who (and Muslim visitors in the 1600’s confirmed this to their horror at it) married women who had a great deal of independence in their lives, and respect. The West’s material advantage stems from far less resources spent mate guarding, with women expected through pressure from other women to remain faithful and true. The West only works as a High-Trust society, everyone in it is trusted highly, and mostly conform to the trust. Those who abuse the trust are made examples of. The ideal of romantic love is Western MALE invention, and encompasses aging and loss of attractiveness, for life-pair bonds. It’s why Westerners have relatively weak communal bonds (village-religion-region-headman-culture) compared to say Africans or Middle Easterners, but far stronger marriage-family and National bonds. A Westerner from say, 1962 Idaho, would find it perfectly natural to die for his family or country, while a Nigerian from 1962 would find that laughable on either account.

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  348. Whiskey, I don’t know why you seem to equate alphahood with thuggishness. There are many flavors of dominance. Smarts can one, if it includes social smarts – note how Roissy wields his intellect in service of sexual dominance.

    Music, arts, any area of genius can be used in the service of attracting pussy.

    It seems you are set in your view that thuggishness is the primary for of alpha display. And set in your view that most men can’t attain enough sexual dominance to attract and keep a woman.

    I have many reasons to disagree – the first being the example of my own life. I’m short, balding, and ugly, with an interoverted and geeky personality, and yet my experience shows me that being alpha enough is not only attainable, it can become second nature.

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  349. BASE jumping and stuff like that.

    Is that a California thing? I don’t think I’ve ever met a guy who does Xtreme sports.

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  350. on July 4, 2009 at 1:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””’Muslim men cannot abide sexually active young women or even the threat of it, so brothers, Fathers, and mothers conspire to kill girls as young as 14. It’s brutal, disgusting, and the biggest indictment of Muslim men I can think of. That the religion prompts Muslim fathers to kill their own daughters, Muslim brothers to murder their own sisters.

    This alone pronounces Islam and Muslims an utter, and complete failure. In every way. David Alexander, for all his flaws, is a giant among men compared to the Greatest Muslim man.

    There is nothing so foul and debauched, as to cause a man to murder his own daughter. Nothing.””””””””””””

    How often does this happen?

    Vs making slaves of generations of men not so bad. I wish my dad would have just killed my family instead of allowing us to go through the divorce. I told him so.

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  351. on July 4, 2009 at 1:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    There are a lot of things worse than death whiskey.

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  352. the violence veto of Islamists beats everything else. This is why there is no “moderate” Muslims

    Then in theory, non-Muslims can also appropriae the “violence veto” for themselves, if things get bad enough.

    After all, if anyone is to take over in a dystopian future, I’d rather it be Christians. Ie., “our thugs” rather than “their thugs.”

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  353. Also, you completely misunderstand my message about loving devilish whores. You can’t seem to grasp Jungs notion of integrating ones shadow selves into ones full personality. Men certainly can love women, in the full light of the knowledge of their darker natures. Madona’s don’t make better wives than women with a nasty streak. The nasty streak just has to properly channeled by her master – which any man should make himself into. Most men can master their women, given proper training. I think proper training for many of us might include spending time in SE Asia.

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  354. on July 4, 2009 at 1:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh yea and whiskey what about our wonderfull divorce laws that almost force real actual men to kill there wives rather than be slaves.

    ””””””””’Whiskey
    This alone pronounces Islam and Muslims an utter, and complete failure. In every way. David Alexander, for all his flaws, is a giant among men compared to the Greatest Muslim man.

    There is nothing so foul and debauched, as to cause a man to murder his own daughter. Nothing.
    ”””””””””””””””””””

    And I say there is no greater love than to not let you kids go through the hell of getting on the stand in court in a divorce. There is no greater love for a man to kill his child when they where on top of the world then watch their parents divorce and become a human shitbag for years. There is no great thing in being able to live through something like that. You can be strong but the burning in the mind never stops completely and for what.

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  355. on July 4, 2009 at 1:42 pm Gunslingergregi

    Point of example wels kids. How do you think they are feeling right now about all the shit going on. It is probably a living hell. He should ask his son in a few years what his son would have wished he had done.

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  356. There is no greater love for a man to kill his child when they where on top of the world then watch their parents divorce and become a human shitbag for years.

    When the Soviet Army was advancing west toward Berlin in 1945, they’d often come across German villages with entire families dead. What happened is that the father woudl kill his wife and children, and then himself, rather than let them suffer the bestial depravities of what the Russians were reputed for.

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  357. I have to agree w/Xsplat here, Whiskey. I can personally tell you that EVERY Black Woman, and quite a few White and Hispanic Women I’ve had, ALL said that one of the biggest draws about me was my intelligence. It was a net positive for me, not a net negative.

    This brings me to something Xsplat tilted toward, but I’m gonna kick the door in all the way-the reason why some Blacks have an aversion to “acting White” isn’t because they don’t value learning for its own sake-as The Wire will show you, there are quite a few Black guys who are incredibly smart and saavy.

    No, what the issue is, that a lot of Blacks don’t like the style, or idiom, that “smarts” is defined and expressed in. For example, take me and Dave Alex-I think its fair to say that we both are fairly smart guys-but there’s a huge difference between us two, right? And that difference lay in the very simple fact that, I don’t feel that I must give up my Blackness in order to be smart, nor that I accept that there is only *one* way of being smart. Dave Alex, on the other hand, feels that not only do you have to eschew any ties or links to one’s Blackness, but they must also accept that there is only a very narrow set of ways to determine and demonstrate “intelligence”.

    See the difference?

    And, something else, that goes right to the heart of the matter, and which Xsplat again has alluded to-a big part of my “education” came as a direct result of being out on the bricks, Whiskey. Which is hugely different from the “education” many White and Asian cubicle dwellers get. In other words, I got to see, in realtime, how well knowledge and theory does or doesn’t work w/real people. That requires *social interaction*, and lots of it-something the high IQ White and Asian guys, don’t do.

    And this puts them at a serious disadvantage because Women are hardwired to be social beings, much moreso than the average guy.

    Another major thing w/me is I’m very adaptable to the demands of my environment-perhaps a manifestation of the much-lauded improvisational ability of African Americans-but I’ve always prided myself on the ability to teach myself and to adapt to the demands of any environment I found myself in. The White and Asian guys I’m addressing, especially within the contexts of HBD and Game, don’t seem to have that ability to adapt and to improvise.

    So, to sum up, there are indeed different kinds of intelligence, and clearly, the kinds that get guys like OneSTDV all hot and bothered are at best, nominal when it comes to getting laid. Beyond being able to function on a basic cognitive level, it becomes a waste. One needs other things in order to make it w/Women.

    And the James Watson Juniors simply do not, and if HBD theory holds water, will never, get it.

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    The Obsidian

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  358. “Vs making slaves of generations of men not so bad. I wish my dad would have just killed my family instead of allowing us to go through the divorce. I told him so.”

    I hate it when men that allow themselves to become spineless because of a woman. I saw a woman on an elevator nag a guy to death over the most trivial matter. I wanted to tell him to tell her to stfu. The man stood there and took it up the ass in front of everyone. How can she or anyone for that matter respect him if he allows himself to be obnoxiously scolded in public?

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  359. “P.s. I’m 5′9″ and I was a cross-country runner in HS, so pretty much all leg.”

    Kalliope I ran track all through high school. I remember those really short shorts the girls had to wear for meets. Good times. I wonder if you can take me in a race.

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  360. Whiskey,
    Let me also say that while I find much of what you have to say to be very interesting I also find it to be incredibly myopic-perhaps a trait of higher IQ Males, because an ability to have tunnelvision like focus is needed in order to be say, software engineers. But its a horrible trait to have when it comes to Game, for the obvious reasons.

    I also find the tendency on the part of many not to want to grapple with other downsides of rich IQ to be quite interesting. I want to say that this is a mere oversight or accident but my more world weary side knows better. No one wants to accept that they got a part of them that’s damaged goods.

    That’s why this focus on Islam here in America is a bit much, as is the focus on “thug life” and so on. The issue is simply the fact that today’s james Watsons have a much harder time getting laid because previous eras gave em a leg up in the game of love. Not so today, where Women simply put, don’t need a nice guy w/a good job in order to survive or even have a good time. Now, said guys can talk about their laments till their blue in the face but it will not change one blessed thing. As w/all other forms of life on the planet, they have one of two major choices:

    Adapt, or

    Die.

    So, again: Why Can’t Johnny Get Laid? Is it a question of nature-HBD-or nuture-or what?

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    The Obsidian

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  361. I’m thinking about that guy who agrees with rape. Truth is, the more men that get left out of the sexual marketplace, the more they will have thoughts of rape. Think about it – what if all the food was being hoarded by 20% of the people, with scraps for everyone else? Don’t you think there might be a violent revolt?

    If men are left out, watching better-looking, more dominant guys hoard all the women, some will react violently. Rape will be an option. It is men’s biological imperative to spread their seed however they can, including violently. Just like it is women’s to sleep with alphas. So expect men who are shut out to start thinking of ways to get the sex they need by any means necessary, just like they would steal food by any means necessary. I don’t think we are at this point yet, but it is coming.

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  362. on July 4, 2009 at 2:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Anon,
    The man stood there and took it up the ass in front of everyone. How can she or anyone for that matter respect him if he allows himself to be obnoxiously scolded in public?”””””””””””””

    Exactly all the protection in the world for woman against those evil mans slaps.

    No protection for men against those evil bitches tongues except slaps.

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  363. Jack,
    Keeping w/my theme of the HBD implications of Game, and Whiskey’s recent comments, I don’t see a big rash of “political rapes” occuring enmasse, because the dominant White/Anglo stock is genetically incapable of it. Now, we can make the case for Blacks and Hispanics doing it, but for the most part, they don’t need rape as a viable option in order to get laid-right?

    So, I think what’s more likely to happen among Whites and Asians is that the Men in said groups will just withdraw from all sectors of public life, more and more. And this will also mean that they’ll be less inclined to help Women when they find themselves in sticky street situations, etc.

    Holla back

    O

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  364. on July 4, 2009 at 2:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””””””””’I don’t think we are at this point yet, but it is coming.”””””””””””’

    We do need a good revolution to get rid of all the too edumucated making the regular peoples lives hell. Lawyers, judges.

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  365. Women are perfectly capable of marrying and remaining faithful to betas, but society must be constructed to do that and it requires considerable social control and pressure on women’s sexuality, and the few Alpha males. Joe Average Herb “Kitchen Bitch” remains unattractive except to his wife. He might want to cheat but the only offer he’ll get is the David Alexander kind.

    The problem that I have is that once you know the true nature of woman, you’ll alway doubt her and question everything about her because you know that her choice only existed due to a set of artificial restrictions, and that in the true real world, you’d be as single and lonely as David Alexander.

    Plus, given the accounts of increased sexual excitement and performance by women when with their alpha male counterparts, while sex with beta males has the excitement of watching paint dry, there isn’t much of an incentive for beta males to demand a return back to the old days.

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  366. on July 4, 2009 at 3:01 pm Gunslingergregi

    Then obsid goes off the rocker.

    Blacks 12 percent of population of us.

    Commit more murders than 90 percent of the us population that fall under white. With the white including hispanic and everyone else.

    12 percent of population yet commit 30 times more rapes than the rest of the population.

    Rethinking on it they should look at this with pride that they have men willing to give up there freedom to keep there respect. Then they are the only men not getting treated like bitches because they are looked at that they could actually snap the fuck out and kill if you if you fuck with em too much.

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  367. I’ve met guy after guy here in CA, CO, AZ, and UT that does the whole thing: skydiving, BASE jumping, white water kayaking, Xtreme (Heli) skiing/snowboarding, BMX, Motocross, etc. It works like gold — women are all over them as soon as they learn a guy does that. Indicating extreme appetite for risk and testosterone.
    ——————
    Honor Killings are fairly common in the West, and also in the ME. That they happen AT ALL is disturbing. Parents are not breaking up, and the Red Army is not going to rape them and kill them. The case of two teen girls murdered by their father in Texas, or the London girl murdered by her brother, for talking to boys, comes to mind. It’s disgusting and the mark of a failed person and society that allows for men to kill their children or brothers their sisters. Men are made to protect not kill their families. Period. There seems to be about one a month in the US and UK, at least reporting. “Ex-Muslim” support groups note that incidence of these honor killings is increasing, reporting is of course through the PC filter.
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    Obsidian — I think you are missing the obvious. Being known as literate, or intelligent, is a downer among Black women, who prefer thugs and violent, dangerous men like White British women. So that is why culturally, Blacks who used to prefer being known for intelligence and literacy (particularly against a segregated society that painted Black men as animals) changed up quickly — Women demanded it.

    You can be intelligent if you are also dominant-aggressive. Give off the vibe that you will fight at the drop of a hat, and so on. But that is the icing on the cake not the cake. What women are saying is, “among the thugs that I lust for, you are the smartest.” You can never trust anything women say, you have to read their actions instead. Women love thugs.

    And you miss the larger point. If women want thugs, they’ll get thugs. Men will become Chavs or Ghetto gangstas or what have you, and the whole male cooperation and rewards for the tinkerers and nerdy guys goes out the window, so too the behavior and the ability of the West to avoid the genetic bottleneck.

    Non Western societies mostly reward the Big Men in reproduction, the most intelligent Chinese men were made Eunuchs, their inventions therefore literal dead ends. While in Western Europe, anyone could and did get married and reproduce. Making more diversity in genes, including tinkering/nerdy technology genes. On balance, whatever society can suppress female sexual freedom, with the fewest resources, to enable the widest genetic diversity, tends to win because it has more resources more spread out. Mohammed’s forces once they conquered the Persian Aristocracy, there was nothing left. The Black Death decimated Western Europe, but new leaders quickly arose even more ruthless and dangerous than the ones in the past. Because of deeper resources, due to radically different reproductive patterns creating genetic diversity. No few men doing all the reproducing.

    Johnny can’t get laid (or more importantly, have kids) because women have total sexual freedom and prefer raw thuggish testosterone and find IQ icky and repulsive unless it’s sugar coated with high T aggressiveness. This is a recipe for the technological prowess of Liberia, the social cohesion of Charles Taylor, and the high trust networks of Black Ghetto Gangstas, along with the social control and restraint of Chavs.

    All the men in Big-Men societies are the same. Your Tupac, your Ghetto Gangsta, is at home with Saddam, or Khalid Sheik Mohammed, or your standard issue flatbiller or chav. Same thing. Which makes them fragile to serious challengers from outside, and manipulated by exploiting trust fractures.

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  368. Obsidian — It’s a huge mistake to think Whites/Asians are incapable of the most horrific violence. ANY group is capable of it, at any time, absent social controls. History shows many instances of Whites and Asians doing just that.

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  369. I don’t see a big rash of “political rapes” occuring enmasse, because the dominant White/Anglo stock is genetically incapable of it.

    Obsidian’s crypto-insults at white guys’ virility? I’d figure some of the white/Anglo ‘necks I’ve known in my day would have been more than capable of “political rapes” if they were so inclined.

    Unless I’m misreading your point.

    know that her choice only existed due to a set of artificial restrictions

    What evens the scales is the fact that women want stability and security, and will trade off pump & dump sex with your mythical alphas, so long as her guy remains “alpha-enough” in her eyes,

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  370. It’s a huge mistake to think Whites/Asians are incapable of the most horrific violence

    Exactly. Russians in Berlin. Or the Japanese at Nanking.

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  371. I could be wrong but I think Obsidian’s archetypal white guy is the milquetoastish office-cubicle beta type.

    High-T white guys (rednecks, white-ethnics, white cop/blue collar types, etc) seem to be off his radar, or maybe he has limited experience with them.

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  372. <blockquote?Blacks 12 percent of population of us.

    Commit more murders than 90 percent of the us population that fall under white. With the white including hispanic and everyone else.

    12 percent of population yet commit 30 times more rapes than the rest of the population.

    Rethinking on it they should look at this with pride that they have men willing to give up there freedom to keep there respect.

    you really say some stupid shit, dude. why should anyone take pride in the fact that someone who shares their skin color would commit murder? why should anyone take pride in something that someone else does or doesn’t do?

    isn’t this a blog about being alpha? there’s nothing more beta than unconditionally sublimating your own individuality into some bullshit collective identity.

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  373. try again:

    Blacks 12 percent of population of us.

    Commit more murders than 90 percent of the us population that fall under white. With the white including hispanic and everyone else.

    12 percent of population yet commit 30 times more rapes than the rest of the population.

    Rethinking on it they should look at this with pride that they have men willing to give up there freedom to keep there respect.

    you really say some stupid shit, dude. why should anyone take pride in the fact that someone who shares their skin color would commit murder? why should anyone take pride in something that someone else does or doesn’t do?

    isn’t this a blog about being alpha? there’s nothing more beta than unconditionally sublimating your own individuality into some bullshit collective identity.

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  374. What evens the scales is the fact that women want stability and security, and will trade off pump & dump sex with your mythical alphas, so long as her guy remains “alpha-enough” in her eyes

    Except even if I played faux-alpha, it doesn’t mask the fact that she’d really prefer to have a real alpha with even more alpha tendencies in lieu of the cheap, Chinese made faux-alpha. Besides, if you can pull off the alpha effect, why are you wasting it on a relationship?

    High-T white guys (rednecks, white-ethnics, white cop/blue collar types, etc) seem to be off his radar, or maybe he has limited experience with them.

    Which makes very little sense given that he’s a blue collar worker, and he lives in Philly, a city that seems to have much more of them than say, NYC…

    archetypal white guy is the milquetoastish office-cubicle beta type

    I’d kill to be that!

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  375. on July 4, 2009 at 3:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Wel its like this lance if every time some divorce lawyer got involved between a white dude and his woman and the lawyer was trying to turn his woman even more against him then she already was and make the guy pay and suffer indignity. If the white guy then would say fuck it and kill the lawyer irregardless of the consequences. Then we wouldn’t be in this shit in the first place now would we. There would be very few people choosing a ‘career’ of divorce lawyer for the easy money. Do you agree?

    So you would be able to take pride in the fact that some white dudes didn’t bend over and take it in the ass from society even though they didn’t have to. You would reap the benefits of that.

    And watch like dam those poor bastards as all the other races got bent over and didn’t do anything but verbally complain to each other.

    As we have it most men are laying down and taking it in the ass when things like divorce theft happen. So I can’t really be proud of those people.

    ””””””””””””Lance,
    isn’t this a blog about being alpha? there’s nothing more beta than unconditionally sublimating your own individuality into some bullshit collective identity.””””””””””””’

    Are you saying that there is nothing worth dieing for when your an alpha?

    It is being willing to die for something that makes you an alpha and a man. And not an alpha to some fucking woman but a man in your own eyes. That is why the woman want to fuck you and are drawn to you like flies on shit because they see that you see yourself as a man. So of course they will too.

    An alpha can be proud that his team won can’t he?

    You could still be alpha and reap those benefits.

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  376. he suggests that one reason why Black Men are so much better at Game, is due largely to the lower-class nature of Black Women

    i do not buy this assumption that black men inherently have more game. there’s a certain style and flair that has become associated with black men, but that association is grounded in anecdote and media depictions. just as not all blacks can dunk like lebron or rhyme like biggie, they can not all pull trim at will.

    what many lower-class black males have is an uncanny ability to make bold approaches at women, but that’s a trait shared by lower-class men in general. it is most certainly not equivalent to game. PA has just made this same point. for every black thug who approaches women on the street with no fear, there’s a redneck/guido/working-class white equivalent who is equally as aggressive.

    more importantly, i define game as the ability to succeed with women in a variety of settings: on the street, in the bar, at work, on vacation, etc. the sort of thug game you guys keep talking about is very limited in where it works. the percentage of black men, thug or otherwise, who can consistently attract woman in all situations is probably similar to white men.

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  377. gregi:

    my point is that i don’t take pride in anything, or feel guilty about anything, just because the person who did it shares my skin color.

    i take pride in my own actions.

    now if i do join a ‘team’, it’s a team of my choosing. there’s all sorts of good reasons to become part of a group, but why would i ever feel the need to make it a racial group? that shit is stupid. i’ll leave it for the hitler youth and the black panthers.

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  378. on July 4, 2009 at 3:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””From lances blog,
    I’ve heard a lot from women recently about using certain political or ideological litmus tests for men they hook up with or date. This seems a strange idea to me. Personally, I hate echo chambers; nothing irks me more than being surrounded by people who think exactly what I think. I like debate. I like to hear other people’s viewpoints. I like my own opinions to be challenged, because I realize that’s the only way to know whether I’m full of shit or not.”””””””””””””””””””’

    he he he

    Like might be too strong a word bro.

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  379. on July 4, 2009 at 4:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Lance
    gregi:

    my point is that i don’t take pride in anything, or feel guilty about anything, just because the person who did it shares my skin color.

    i take pride in my own actions.”””””””””””””””

    Yea but the actions of people before you can indicate how you will be percieved and treated.

    Of course you could act differently later. Which has happened instead of saying fuck that I will not be treated like that most people in us lay down and take the divorce theft and slavery.
    So it continues. And it coninues to get worse and worse. With no one standing up like that.

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  380. on July 4, 2009 at 4:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    I should say not enough. I am sure it is happening just not going to the source men are only killing their wives or woman are only killing their husbands.

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  381. on July 4, 2009 at 4:22 pm Willard Libby

    Lance – gregi: my point is that i don’t take pride in anything, or feel guilty about anything, just because the person who did it shares my skin color.

    i take pride in my own actions.

    But your failure to understand the genetically rooted human capacity for group identification and vicarious sense of achievement is part of your arrogance and narcissism.

    I’m guessing you’re a White guy.

    This White boy love of individualism/libertarian nerdism is probably a rationalization of Autism spectrum disorder/Asperger’s syndrome taken to the political realm.

    Humans are group competitive creatures. The failure to admit that is behind so much of the awkward foreign policies of both the neo-conservatives and the liberal imperialists.

    They pride themselves on not comprehending human nature.

    It makes them FEEL better about themselves.

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  382. But your failure to understand the genetically rooted human capacity for group identification and vicarious sense of achievement is part of your arrogance and narcissism.

    you use a lot of fancy words to make an inane point. i can perfectly well comprehend the human capacity for group identification. you make the all too often common mistake of equating the mere existence of something with it’s moral worth. human beings also have a natural and primal fear of the unknown which in children manifests itself in a fear of the dark. does that mean we should spend our whole lives sleeping with a nightlight? you have an evolved human brain – i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this one – which has the capacity to pick and choose which innate behaviors remain useful and which are anachronisms.

    if i were in prison, then perhaps i’d feel the need to cluster together with my “own kind” for protection. since i’m not, however, i will continue to choose with whom i associate based on my own values and criteria.

    it is a free country though, so enjoy yourself with the aryan brotherhood.

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  383. on July 4, 2009 at 4:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    An analogy though. You can have two different colored jerseyed football teams. That after the game could potentially work together on something else. While still taking pride in the fact that ones team may have beat the other at one point in time. he he he

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  384. on July 4, 2009 at 4:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    We have a new game in town one that whites and blacks need to prob work together at overcoming.

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  385. on July 4, 2009 at 4:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Along with asians mexicans and everyone else. Along with woman in those groups.

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  386. @ Bhetti-

    “Perhaps where extreme feminism really started was when women felt inferior simply for being a woman and not doing whatever men do, the way men do it. Misogyny, thy name is modern feminism.”

    You just said a mouthful. I think where feminism lost me was when it informed me that my mother, a good woman who devoted her life to raising us and making our home beautiful, was a priori ‘inferior’ to the average battle-hardened career woman in a power suit.

    @ Xsplat-

    I get what you’re saying re: Jung’s shadow theory, but do you think there is any correlation between mate choice and his anima/animus theory as well? i.e., men choosing women with strongly developed shadow selves that correspond to their own, and also match their personal anima in some ways.

    @ Jack-

    I do remember the little shorts, but I don’t know if I could take you in a race. My best time for the 5K was somewhere around 18:58, pretty fast for a girl but nowhere near the fastest boys on our team. I’m probably even slower now, although I still run daily. I’m sure you could overtake me pretty quickly 🙂

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  387. on July 4, 2009 at 5:21 pm Willard Libby

    Lance – it is a free country though, so enjoy yourself with the aryan brotherhood.

    Godwin shit his pants again.

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  388. Bhetti—

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/02/reader-mailbag-marriage-independence-day-edition/#comment-99540

    Some photo collection!!

    Make mine miss Syria and miss Iraq please. Any sisterly feelings towards either???

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  389. Xsplat –

    My view is that with those options, women are less inclined to form stable family units, regardless of social control.

    Should affirmative action now be not only eliminated w/r/t women, but reversed, to favor men? For the reasons you allude to, with the purpose of tending to strengthen family units? Or reversed temporarily to aide in reversing the pervasive mindset of discrimination in favor of women as the socially progressive thing to do, that has set in amongst most large or high level functioning Anglosphere businesses and institutions?

    I know I’m for eliminating all AA favoring women for these reasons. Whether I’m in favor of now making it run the other way is something I’m mulling over. Because, you know, whatever I decide on that score will shake the world.

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  390. Xsplat –
    I agree wholeheartedly with everything you’ve said in your long quoting and reply to me, and since. You’re back in top form!

    You see, people who don’t own their shadow selves are self-righteous, and incapable of loving imperfection.

    To properly appreciate someone, you must see their shadow side, and know that in yourself is the same capacity.

    In women always lies the capacity for cold calculating duplicity, infidelity, and random lust. To be devilish means to be two faced and manipulating. In all woman lies the capacity for whoredom. It’s only a matter of price, opportunity and gina tingle. All women are devilish, and whores. This is their nature, and to deny it is to deny oneself the full capacity to enslave a woman. You can’t puppet a puppet fully unless you can pick up all of its strings – and women have devilish and whorish strings to be grabbed.

    Good people refuse to pick up all of the strings, and they deny their own shadow material. They try so hard to be something, they lose a good deal of what they are.

    Wisdom from the land of shadow dancers.

    I’d only add that while knowing of a woman’s potential for duplicity and betrayal is essential, it’s often unwise to dwell there. Instead it’s often much better to build up and praise her loyal side, while satisfying her whorish one and need for pride in her choice. Open cynicism can encourage betrayal, while a degree of loving trust (never blind trust), while remaining observant and worldly, discourages it.

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  391. PA—

    I could be wrong but I think Obsidian’s archetypal white guy is the milquetoastish office-cubicle beta type.

    High-T white guys (rednecks, white-ethnics, white cop/blue collar types, etc) seem to be off his radar, or maybe he has limited experience with them.

    There are plenty of high T white guys with high or fairly high IQs as well. There they can be high charging and high achieving sales types, wall street types, some executives, hard charging flavors of lawyers and some doctors, etc.

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  392. Xsplat –

    Whiskey, I don’t know why you seem to equate alphahood with thuggishness. There are many flavors of dominance. Smarts can one, if it includes social smarts – note how Roissy wields his intellect in service of sexual dominance.

    Music, arts, any area of genius can be used in the service of attracting pussy.

    It seems you are set in your view that thuggishness is the primary for of alpha display. And set in your view that most men can’t attain enough sexual dominance to attract and keep a woman.

    I have many reasons to disagree

    Sing it brother!

    I’ve said similar things many times on this board.

    Most alphas aren’t thuggish. Aggressive, yes. Most are leaders or creators of one kind or another. Though any alpha is thuggish compared to Dhilbert.

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  393. on July 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    omfg williard lol

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  394. Man xsplat is on a roll, thanks for the insightful comments brah! Time to read up on Jungian psychology…..

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  395. on July 4, 2009 at 5:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    lol yea I was thinking on the asshole thing. I have noticed myself getting more aggressive the longer away I get from actually having done some fucking. Maybe that is why woman give it up to ‘assholes’ they realize it is for the good of mankind to reduce stress from guys not getting any he he he

    Kind of like when the rams but heads. Warning to predaters before the rams have sex maybe that don’t fuck with me right now I will fuck you up. Then after they have done deed it might be ok no big whoop I am chillin.

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  396. Willard —

    Yeah. Nice.

    Nice to see one of these for a change, right?

    But, ah, he did get a righteous prenup, right?

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  397. Bhetti—

    @xsplat: Perfect! She has to trust him that way or she will feel the need to control, take over, even deceive and so on. Practically, she gets input and feedback on what’s going on but he will always have the final say. A different model is a state of insecurity and imdependence that seems to result in less happiness for perhaps the majority of women, as well as the men they are with. Manageable, perhaps, but not completely natural.

    ‘enslaved’: A voluntary, emotionally and sexually driven surrender and desire to please.

    Basically, the most binding and powerful relationship is one where she trusts him to be a man and do what he should be doing that way. Including taking care of them both and their best interests. On the flipside, she realises consciously and is driven emotionally to keep him interested in doing this and keeping her by constantly making his life at least some taste of whatever he considers bliss.

    It has never been more difficult to trust a man and allow vulnerable femininity than in an extreme feminist climate. The programming lurks even still, with the aspersions of inferiority for the foibles and weaknesses of being a woman as opposed to being a man. You don’t want her to be a man. She doesn’t want to be a man. Noone wins.

    You’re going to make someone very happy.

    Wait, what?

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  398. on July 4, 2009 at 6:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    Seconded xsplat on fire. Even though I still think him and epoxy same guy lol wierd stuff.

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  399. Even Casanova knew when to quit.

    For the interested, Casanova’s memoirs end with “and there three years later I saw her in Padua, where I resumed my acquaintance with her daughter on far more tender terms.”

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  400. Just to be clear — I don’t think “Alpha” in the sense of male oriented leaders = thug. Just that men competing for women soon devolve to that when Women will indeed bang only the top Alphas, and will share them.

    The play then is to up the ante. Why are Ghetto blacks so violent, a big change from their behavior as recent as the 1960’s? Why are White Britons so violent, so chav, when they were within living memory restrained, even working class Whites?

    Simple. Being a thug is the best way to short-circuit game. A true thug can both pick up a woman and horn in on an Alpha’s game by simply picking a fight and glassing him (Chav-style) or Gangsta style, staging what amounts to an Old West shootout.
    —————–
    I think if anything a reduction in rape is in the cards, thankfully, due to better DNA evidence, technology, and so on. But the flipside is competition for women is only going to intensify, even cube dwellers particularly if laid off, can thug it up. You’d be surprised at the innate capacity for violence lurking within all men.

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  401. on July 4, 2009 at 8:42 pm Willard Libby

    whiskey – Simple. Being a thug is the best way to short-circuit game.

    But being a stealthy predator is the best way to short circuit “thug game”. US thug niggas and White trash Euro chavs wouldn’t stand a chance against the introduction of this type of competitive threat.

    Which might go to explain some traditional Asian styles of behavior.

    In many circumstances the arrogant thug boy has put a bull’s eye on his back.

    He can be eliminated from the playing field. Not by just by another thug boy but by the stealthy predator which is probably the male on male violence equivalent of the “sneaky fucker”.

    It’s like in boxing, any fighter who can be hit can be hurt. And in war the quick, silent and hidden enemy is the toughest to deal with.

    On the battle field stay out of the tanks when in an environment filled with land mines and RPG-7s.

    Thugs only have success in very limited environments, often environments that the smarter, more dominant men really don’t want to contest in the first place.

    It’s a battle of scorpions in a bottle.

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  402. me that my mother, a good woman who devoted her life to raising us and making our home beautiful, was a priori ‘inferior’ to the average battle-hardened career woman in a power suit.

    In theory, it makes sense given that stay at home mothers are a financial drain on their beta husbands and a source of stress, while career women actually earn income for their work.

    I’m probably even slower now, although I still run daily. I’m sure you could overtake me pretty quickly

    See, you should feel ashamed about that. In fact, you should feel angry that you’re not able to beat him since it’s a sign of inferiority.

    Now that I think about the typical Arabic music channel… nails, heavy make up…

    While the make up isn’t heavy, they’re still pretty girls. 🙂

    Basically, the most binding and powerful relationship is one where she trusts him to be a man and do what he should be doing that way.

    You’d have to be an idiot to trust anybody that way, and I’d feel sorry for anybody who trusted me with that much power. There’s only one person that you can trust in this world, and that’s yourself.

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  403. Doug

    I’d only add that while knowing of a woman’s potential for duplicity and betrayal is essential, it’s often unwise to dwell there. Instead it’s often much better to build up and praise her loyal side, while satisfying her whorish one and need for pride in her choice. Open cynicism can encourage betrayal, while a degree of loving trust (never blind trust), while remaining observant and worldly, discourages it.</blockquote?

    Sure, NLP is the method managers are always using. Setting the frame in the most beneficial way. Crafting word choices that move the mate in the direction she didn't know she wanted to go.

    But appreciating a woman's inner whore is not about cynicism or fear. It's about freaky sex fetishes and dominance play. It's about bringing out her feelings of guilt and shame, and using that as a tool to bond. Secret shames are a powerful tool of ownership, and regular sex play that highlights ones more taboo aspects is an essential tool in the kit.

    That women like to be slapped is taboo, and very bonding.

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  404. on July 4, 2009 at 8:57 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’There’s only one person that you can trust in this world, and that’s yourself.””””””””””””’

    Sometimes you can’t trust yourself though. Like when you trust in yourself to make yourself happy. It doesn’t really work out for a lot of people does it. Sometimes when you put some trust in another person and they prove there worth that can make you happier than all your personnal achievments put together.

    Plus it can give you 4 hands instead of two. And yea 4 hands is better than two. You have four hands to go through before carpal tunnel takes over he he he

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  405. Sometimes you can’t trust yourself though.

    You’ll have to as nobody else will have your best interests at heart, and when you may need them the most, they may not be around to support you.

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  406. I tried four or five times to post a comment, and it just dissapears.

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  407. I tried four or five times to post a comment, and it just dissapears, with no “awaiting moderation” notice. I didn’t notice any keywords that would send it to the black hole. Irksome.

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  408. Ok, I’ll divide my post up into segments, and then know which portion won’t post.

    Doug

    I’d only add that while knowing of a woman’s potential for duplicity and betrayal is essential, it’s often unwise to dwell there. Instead it’s often much better to build up and praise her loyal side, while satisfying her whorish one and need for pride in her choice. Open cynicism can encourage betrayal, while a degree of loving trust (never blind trust), while remaining observant and worldly, discourages it.

    Sure…

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  409. Sure, NLP is the method managers are always using. Setting the frame in the most beneficial way. Crafting word choices that move the mate in the direction she didn’t know she wanted to go.

    But appreciating a woman’s inner whore is not about cynicism or fear…

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  410. …It’s about freaky sex fetishes and dominance play. It’s about bringing out her feelings of guilt and shame, and using that as a tool to bond. Secret shames are a powerful tool of ownership, and regular sex play that highlights ones more taboo aspects is an essential tool in the kit.

    That women like to be slapped is taboo, and very bonding. That they harbor forbidden lusts is a tool to use to enslave them during the intense bonding moments of sex play.

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  411. on July 4, 2009 at 9:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’You’ll have to as nobody else will have your best interests at heart, and when you may need them the most, they may not be around to support you.””””””””””””””

    Yea this may be true but you had the moments where they didn’t betray your trust. And if you never try in the first place it doesn’t matter does it. You will never know. Great thing about life if that if it ever really really got too bad there is always an outlet.

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  412. Yea this may be true but you had the moments where they didn’t betray your trust.

    Yes, but I’d prefer to avoid finding out their usefulness when shit happens.

    Great thing about life if that if it ever really really got too bad there is always an outlet.

    Dude, the only way you’re going to get to that outlet is if you help yourself. Nobody else can save you, and nobody wants to save you because they have to maintain their own self-preservation.

    That women like to be slapped is taboo, and very bonding.

    It is taboo, and it may bond, but some of us are too civilized to use such crude methods.

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  413. on July 4, 2009 at 9:58 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or to reframe it.

    What if it doesn’t matter if you actually spend the rest of your life with that person.

    If you love them and sacrifice to make them free from the toils of this world. Then your sacrifice has not gone in naught. If you have created something magical and something lasting. Everyone will sacrifice there time in this world for something. What if you can sacrifice for something noble. What if you are totally unselfish for a part of your life to make something that lasts forever and the return is that you were able to do that for someone. How many people have been able to achieve that.

    Now imagine that it does last forever and you die and there is a god and you can hang out for eternity.

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  414. @bhetti

    “Basically, the most binding and powerful relationship is one where she trusts him to be a man and do what he should be doing that way. Including taking care of them both and their best interests. ”

    I cut and paste the above quote but could easily put your entire comment here it was so great. The relationship you mention above is the model for the one I seek. My quest has been interpreted here as doormat submissive by some women and even some of the men. To me it’s a reciprocal thing, both have their needs met, her by having a leader and him by having a devoted follower. For the record follower does not mean brainless fief to me. A good leader will respect dissenting opinions and will listen without fear of losing authority. A good leader may even change his mind with a good argument. The main fact remains he, the leader, should have final say when it comes to making a decision. When trust is present who makes the decision isn’t the issue anyways. When you operate with the 50/50 framework it only opens the door for power struggles.

    Bhetti continue to say “On the flipside, she realises consciously and is driven emotionally to keep him interested in doing this and keeping her by constantly making his life at least some taste of whatever he considers bliss.”

    My belief is a great leader will inspire devotion not demand it. Under these conditions a devoted partner should and I believe willingly do all that it takes to keep her man content. I’ve said it before and I’ll mention it again, I believe it’s a woman’s duty to keep herself attractive for the long haul. If children are in their future she doesn’t let herself go while she’s raising them. A good woman will know that men love beauty and femininity and will do her utmost to remain so. I see far too many women lose all self respect after they’ve ‘caught’ their man and increase poundage while decreasing beauty efforts. Is that a feminist message? No, I believe it’s the partnership between a man and a woman which brings the suffering. I think it needs to be clearly but lovingly stated that her appearance is important to him and she NEEDS/Is REQUIRED to keep herself attractive. (believe me I know this is opening me up for full on feminist attack).

    I don’t think many women and men are aware of their differences and very few want to celebrate them once they are. Too much fighting for equality has occurred and women have lost a lot of ground in terms of being in touch with themselves. I’m a girly girl and proud to shout it to the rafters, I’m passionate about this subject, I can only affect a few people in my circle, but I will tell you this, I talk about this with friends, family and potential mates and they all get it. Women want leaders, men want bikini babes. 😉

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  415. on July 4, 2009 at 10:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””DA,
    Dude, the only way you’re going to get to that outlet is if you help yourself. Nobody else can save you, and nobody wants to save you because they have to maintain their own self-preservation.””””””””””””

    Not a man DA when I was brought into the office and told I had no job two years ago. I sent what I had in the bank to my woman so that I could make sure she was ok. As I know I will be ok if I have to live in a fucking forest eating deer by running em down and tackeling the fuckers.

    ””””””””””David Alexander
    Yea this may be true but you had the moments where they didn’t betray your trust.

    Yes, but I’d prefer to avoid finding out their usefulness when shit happens.””””””””””””””””’

    Why you got to make sure some shit happens so you can go through it together otherwise there is no intense bonding.

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  416. on July 4, 2009 at 10:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    You are already in a world of shit so if you can find a woman when you are ready to dig your way out. You can do it with her. This will form a bond. That will prob keep the both of you together for a while. Now if you don’t dig your way out yea prob not. he he he

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  417. on July 4, 2009 at 10:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    Or you can dig your way out first and then yea no problem getting the type of woman your looking for. Just it will be harder to go through some shit together. Might have to make stuff up lol

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  418. DA:
    “That women like to be slapped is taboo, and very bonding.

    It is taboo, and it may bond, but some of us are too civilized to use such crude methods.”

    Some of “you” are not too civilized, but too terrified. A civilized man and a coward may perform the same action, but that does not make the coward a civilized man.

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  419. on July 4, 2009 at 10:23 pm Gunslingergregi

    Why lovelysexybeuty freaks me out a little. She understands to an extent.
    Her coal to diamonds thing freakish.

    I would go a little further.

    Yea any two people man and woman that work together for the benefit of each other unstoppable.

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  420. “Rape will be an option”

    Bullshit. This is where prostitution comes into play and why it’s imperative that at some point it should be decriminalized or legalized in our puritan rooted country.

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  421. “Johnny can’t get laid (or more importantly, have kids) because women have total sexual freedom and prefer raw thuggish testosterone and find IQ icky and repulsive unless it’s sugar coated with high T aggressiveness. ”

    Not necessarily. That dorky high IQ’d man is in a POSITION of power.

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  422. That didn’t come out right. What I mean is no sugar coating is necessary if that icky repulsive high IQ’d man is in a position where he is able to show some power.

    Damn I’m buzzed.

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  423. DA:

    There’s only one person that you can trust in this world, and that’s yourself.

    The person you can perhaps trust the most is yourself but look at what you were ten years ago. The difference may be staggering and you may have turned into things you promised never to turn into. Done things you never dreamed you would do. It would be typical to have betrayed the trust of yourself already.

    Practically speaking, there is very little to trust. Humans do what we must to survive and react to our environment; we have potential in us for much more than we can fathom. Our capacity for change is breathtaking. Our reaction from situation to situation has tendencies but not absolutes.

    In the circumstance I talk about: Trust simply then becomes a matter of choice and throwing away fear. An exercise in spirituality and faith, that trusting with good reason (not LOVE, but perhaps the qualities and observations that could help inspire it) makes it so and that the continuing rewards from trusting do all that is needed to help ensure it is warranted. No man is perfect, but if he is trusted with ‘good reason’, he will be trying and much more closer to it than otherwise.

    The circumstances and preconditions in which this can happen are very limited.

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  424. @aoefe

    “believe me I know this is opening me up for full on feminist attack”

    Standing up against feminists in these parts is a very courageous stand.

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  425. aoefe:

    My belief is a great leader will inspire devotion not demand it. Under these conditions a devoted partner should and I believe willingly do all that it takes to keep her man content. I’ve said it before and I’ll mention it again, I believe it’s a woman’s duty to keep herself attractive for the long haul.

    Perhaps it depends on the woman on how many levels she understands, feels and strives for this with multiple motivations: intellectual, emotional and somewhere even more profound and permanent. Making him happy in many ways including beautification should inevitably become a seemingly incurable addiction.

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  426. Keith: A little on point with the sarcasm, but she has said she says the same thing in real life.

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  427. @Obsidian – many Asian men are insecure about their penis. Emphasis in the household is placed on education and one’s place in society.

    If you come from a minority group where there’s a laugh a minute about your “small penis” your confidence would go limp, so to speak. This stereotype makes Asian men feel inferior and insecure. Black men have nothing to lose, if the myth is true (and from my experience it’s almost always true).

    The white guys with no game and/or insecure about their penis size will eventually figure out Asian woman are the way to go especially since Asian women are into white men.

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  428. @bhetti

    “Perhaps it depends on the woman on how many levels she understands, feels and strives for this with multiple motivations: intellectual, emotional and somewhere even more profound and permanent.”

    Well said.

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  429. @keith

    touché

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  430. on July 4, 2009 at 11:26 pm Gunslingergregi

    Not like it hasen’t happened before aoefe.

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  431. on July 4, 2009 at 11:30 pm Gunslingergregi

    You know anon if you want I can put a trashbag over a baseball bat and give you the fucking you require.

    ””””””””””The white guys with no game and/or insecure about their penis size will eventually figure out Asian woman are the way to go especially since Asian women are into white men.””””””””””””

    Yea those are the only ones. My former boss alpha over 6′ 3″ purposefully had a child with a woman from thailand. He had been a partying guy. He found the woman he wanted not in US.

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  432. on July 4, 2009 at 11:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Other former boss now back in phillipines he is a millionaire. He too had children with a asian phillipino woman they where also his first. He lived his whole life on the edge special forces. When it came time to do the children thing where did he go?

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  433. Bhetti

    “Perhaps it depends on the woman on how many levels she understands, feels and strives for this with multiple motivations: intellectual, emotional and somewhere even more profound and permanent.”

    I’d say it’s really the mans responsibility.

    It’s up to him to inspire on all levels. And up to him to demand as much satisfaction as his mate is capable of providing.

    My GF has been inspired to loose a lot of weight. She was a bit chunky in the rear when we met, but with an hourglass figure. A nice butt is starting to emerge from uniferentiated mass. She’s going to have a tidy little ass, and it was my responsibility to let her know that’s what I want. I was gentle about it, but she took on that desire as if it was her idea. It was my responsibility to make her want that.

    A man is like a father. It’s not the daughters responsibility to know what she could become. The father doesn’t mold the daughter, but can bring out what is there to be enhanced.

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  434. on July 4, 2009 at 11:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    Asian woman don’t need to have the state enslave and opress there men to get them to do things for them. They go off of the strength of their own character because oh my gosh they might finally be the one group of woman that are equal and don’t have to prove anything it gets proven every day.

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  435. @Aoefe

    “Touche”

    I knew you’d appreciate it, especially sans smiley.

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  436. The white guys with no game and/or insecure about their penis size will eventually figure out Asian woman are the way to go especially since Asian women are into white men.

    The best combination is for a guy with an above average sized dick to get a very petite asian girl.

    Yum.

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  437. @xsplat

    “The best combination is for a guy with an above average sized dick to get a very petite asian girl.”

    If you can fit it inside a very petite asian girl, it ain’t above average.

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  438. The relationship you mention above is the model for the one I seek. My quest has been interpreted here as doormat submissive by some women and even some of the men.

    It does make you come across as a doormat submissive because you’re so willing to trust somebody who can easily betray you or lead you down the wrong path. A real person would never allow that, and place their trust and the control of their life into their own hands. Only a pathetic an idiot, loser, or a submissive hand over their life in such a way.

    Mind you, if you view a relationship and a family as a mini-cooperative between the man and woman, then this model with leader and useless assistant comes across as silly.

    A good leader may even change his mind with a good argument.

    We’ll see how loyal you are when he changes his mind and you starve to death because of his idiocy. Will you magically stay submissive and loyal or will you pout and nag and cheat on him with an alpha winner? Ooops, I revealed the big secret…

    I believe it’s a woman’s duty to keep herself attractive for the long haul

    Which is pointless. She just can’t compete with younger women even if she played the David Alexander porn star route.

    very few want to celebrate them once they are

    There isn’t much worth celebrating given that the female traits you want to celebrate are just about useless for our modern world and don’t help one to earn income, but turns one into a sponge on the useful and productive members of society.

    Some of “you” are not too civilized, but too terrified.

    I am not terrified of hitting a woman. I’m merely better than the turds who use it as a method of sexual attraction. I’d much rather be alone than engage in such low class behaviour.

    Yea any two people man and woman that work together for the benefit of each other unstoppable.

    Until they become sick of each other and they find other spouses.

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  439. Keith

    If you can fit it inside a very petite asian girl, it ain’t above average.

    You seem unfamiliar with female anatomy.

    Pussies are adjustable.

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  440. @xsplat

    I knew you’d respond in a thin-skinned way. It’s a joke, son.

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  441. on July 4, 2009 at 11:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    But yea anyway asian woman = gods gift to man

    Which must mean that asian men know how to treat there woman.

    Which must mean they are actually on the higher plane.

    Glad to still be alive when this is still so.

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  442. Keith, jokes are meant to be funny. Nothing wrong with my skin. You just don’t make me laugh.

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  443. @splat
    “Keith, jokes are meant to be funny.”

    They also require an audience with a sense of humor. Clearly, that was missing.

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  444. “You know anon if you want I can put a trashbag over a baseball bat and give you the fucking you require.”

    I am not physically attracted to black men although I find them physically attractive. So that big dick might look good in a Dirk Diggler carnival-esque but it hurt like hell because my anatomy (don’t you love PC talk) wasn’t receptive to it. I would prefer seeing it on a white man, sans noir, of course.

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  445. on July 5, 2009 at 12:00 am Gunslingergregi

    Hopefully asia puts the west out of it misery. Yea we may be richer but do we look happier. Life is ironic like that.

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  446. @DA

    It does make you come across as a doormat submissive because you’re so willing to trust somebody who can easily betray you or lead you down the wrong path.

    LOL – gotta laugh. If it’s your belief I easily trust you’re mistaken. Trust is built over time. Character has to be the number one reason I’d even begin to grow trust, which means once a person has earned it they’d be very, very unlikely to betray me. Do I expect someone could lead me down the wrong path – possible. Would they knowingly mislead me? Not likely.

    DA said “We’ll see how loyal you are when he changes his mind and you starve to death because of his idiocy.”

    Starve to death huh. Well I’ll take a lock picking course first of course so I can escape the cage okay?

    DA said “There isn’t much worth celebrating given that the female traits you want to celebrate are just about useless for our modern world and don’t help one to earn income,”

    What traits are those that would stop me from earning income? I’m doing pretty good with the traits I have now. I’ve also never said a woman has to stay at home. That would be worked out between the man and woman.

    DA said “Which is pointless. She just can’t compete with younger women even if she played the David Alexander porn star route.”

    Admittedly younger women are more saught after than older ones. That’s why a woman should always start with an older man.

    @DA

    “Will you magically stay submissive and loyal or will you pout and nag and cheat on him with an alpha winner? Ooops, I revealed the big secret…”

    No secret. You choose well in the beginning.

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  447. “The best combination is for a guy with an above average sized dick to get a very petite asian girl.”

    The best combination for WHOM? The guy or the girl?

    You don’t have to be above average to impress an Asian girl from the mainland or one fresh off the boat. But make sure you get one who isn’t “sluttified” – those super young smoking hot Asian tuner chicks you see draped around cars have had plenty of gargantuan cock before you. How the fuck else do you think they bought those out of proportion tits.

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  448. My GF has been inspired to loose a lot of weight

    Instead of wasting time with a fat girl, you could have banged women that met your needs…

    I sent what I had in the bank to my woman so that I could make sure she was ok.

    And she could have been spending that money on fucking alphas with 10 inch penises, your point?

    if you can find a woman when you are ready to dig your way out

    Or you could just let her have sex with the alphas and not worry about having to take care of her.

    The person you can perhaps trust the most is yourself but look at what you were ten years ago.

    Yeah, I found out about the rac(e real)ists. I’d still have more trust in myself over anybody else.

    No man is perfect, but if he is trusted with ‘good reason’, he will be trying and much more closer to it than otherwise.

    And the minute he fucks up, you’ll nag, hate him, and go hunt for alpha cock, right? If some woman wants me to run her crappy little pathetic life due to her inability to do so, she better pay me minimum, $500 an hour to do so, because “love” and “pity sex” aren’t enough.

    Making him happy in many ways including beautification should inevitably become a seemingly incurable addiction.

    For an alpha male, yes. For a beta male, never.

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  449. Keith, saying “just kidding, where is your sense of humor!” is universally a sign that the person is genuinely not funny.

    Don’t blame your faults on others. Making people laugh requires that you know how to reach them and tickle them.

    You seem completely unfunny to me. That’s not my fault – it’s because you are not funny.

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  450. on July 5, 2009 at 12:18 am Gunslingergregi

    DA is fun to talk to as in everything that comes back is the most negative thing a person could almost think of.

    Of course the other side I suppose is the challenge of if he did actually try you could take some credit.

    But yea probably not gonna happen especially now that he has his own church lol

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  451. on July 5, 2009 at 12:20 am Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””’Anonymous
    “The best combination is for a guy with an above average sized dick to get a very petite asian girl.”

    The best combination for WHOM? The guy or the girl?

    You don’t have to be above average to impress an Asian girl from the mainland or one fresh off the boat. But make sure you get one who isn’t “sluttified” – those super young smoking hot Asian tuner chicks you see draped around cars have had plenty of gargantuan cock before you. How the fuck else do you think they bought those out of proportion tits.””””””””””””””””

    Yea even if they have plenty of alpha cocks they still don’t turn into american bitches shit is whacked type crazy. Like I said they are gods gift to men. Don’t bring them back home.

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  452. The best combination for WHOM? The guy or the girl?

    Yes.

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  453. @splat

    “You seem completely unfunny to me. That’s not my fault – it’s because you are not funny.”

    No, it means you need a Midol.

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  454. Admittedly younger women are more saught after than older ones. That’s why a woman should always start with an older man.

    Except older men have nothing in common with younger women in terms of a shared age cohort. I mean, I could date those 18 to 20 year old girls, but I’d rather date women who don’t think that that my childhood experiences are fodder for history textbooks. At 25, I should be dating women of my own age who have jobs and real life experience, not little kids who want another daddy to tell them what to do because they’re incapable of thinking for themselves. Besides, when you’re forty, there’s nothing preventing him from replacing you with a twenty or thirty something woman, but you’re a stupid submissive who thinks your trust and love will keep him loyal.

    Of course, I’m biased since I basically nagged all of my female friends for their decisions to date older men.

    Starve to death huh. Well I’ll take a lock picking course first of course so I can escape the cage okay?

    Yes, if your trust-buddy fucks up, you may end up in a rather difficult financial situation, and I’d question your loyalties at that point. It’s far better for people to rely on themselves in case shit happens, so you’ll have your own escape route, and you can sleep soundly at night knowing that you don’t owe anybody.

    What traits are those that would stop me from earning income?

    The submissiveness.

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  455. Try your act in a stand up club Keith. You are in desparate need of feedback.

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  456. DA is fun to talk to as in everything that comes back is the most negative thing a person could almost think of.

    The submissive women piss me off with their “trust him, he’ll take care of you crap” due to their own inability to take care of themselves or desire to place control in the hands of some guy that will serve as a whipping post for when the fuck up happens. Get a job and go fucking take care of yourself because you’re not going to sucker billions of beta males anymore. And if you don’t like it, go swallow some Prozac…

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  457. @splat

    “Try your act in a stand up club Keith.”

    You’re the wind beneath my wings, dude.

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  458. It does make you come across as a doormat submissive because you’re so willing to trust somebody who can easily betray you or lead you down the wrong path. A real person would never allow that, and place their trust and the control of their life into their own hands. Only a pathetic an idiot, loser, or a submissive hand over their life in such a way.

    Mind you, if you view a relationship and a family as a mini-cooperative between the man and woman, then this model with leader and useless assistant comes across as silly.

    I suppose you’re playing Devil’s advocate or spouting the prevalent view.

    Your life choices are more questionable as far as ‘real person’ goes. On the other hand, it can be seen as being brave enough to go for what you really want.

    First assumption: somebody who can easily betray you or lead you down the wrong path.
    It may happen, but it is not easy. It is a bit silly to think she will trust someone who is not in line with where she wishes to go. It is silly to be held back by that fear if you can’t find grounds for it.
    Second assumption: A real person would never allow that, and place their trust and the control of their life into their own hands
    In practice what happens is she pretty much does what she’s been doing before, but better and with more spark. That’s why he likes her. That’s why she likes him. That’s why they work so well together as a team. You’re painting an image of her having no say, and them not working together, when what happens is he is guidance, motivation and encouragement, not a tyrant. He can pretend he is, but he can’t push her far. Farther than she think she can go, but not farther than she can tolerate. You’re painting an image of free will being quashed, when what happens is that it is finely directed. There is always a choice to obey or not to obey. He has no hold over her besides her feelings, which do die if she is pushed beyond her tolerance.

    It simply is an exercise in prioritising the relationship over day-to-day disputes, and choosing to leave the last word with a man potently powered by the feelings for him outweighing other considerations. It theoretically could work with a woman the other way around, but that may be defeated by it being ‘unnatural’ for most.

    It is an exercise in control. That control is exerted in making someone immensely happy, invariably by largely being the best you can be of yourself, and letting their happiness be your source of happiness as much as possible. These feelings feed and grow upon each other.

    Again. Perhaps not something that is easy to find.

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  459. And damn it, if you girls want an alpha, just fucking get on line for the cock carousel and wait your turn, and some alpha will deliver the orgasms you want.

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  460. Again. Perhaps not something that is easy to find.

    Your hurting my brain with your mindless prattle. It’s not easy to find because it doesn’t fucking exist.

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  461. @DA

    “but you’re a stupid submissive who thinks your trust and love will keep him loyal.”

    Love is too general a term to have anyone stay loyal. What is love to you David? I find it interesting your level of anger towards me (i.e. stupid submissive), do I threaten your world view? Hmmmm?

    “What traits are those that would stop me from earning income? DA answered – The submissiveness.”

    As irritating it is to explain this to you YET again I’m submissive period. That goes for the job I’m currently in, CEO of a mid-sized firm – I serve the company’s needs. This trait doesn’t stop me in any way from earning money. You have a warped sense of submissiveness, but that’s not too surpising coming from your warped world view.

    DA said “It’s far better for people to rely on themselves in case shit happens, so you’ll have your own escape route, and you can sleep soundly at night knowing that you don’t owe anybody”

    You will also sleep alone and that I realize is your goal.

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  462. on July 5, 2009 at 12:38 am Gunslingergregi

    One cavet,

    An extremely large part of what is wrong with american chicks pertains to the laws that give ‘them’ the superpowers.

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  463. on July 5, 2009 at 12:39 am Comment_Whatever

    Gunslingergregi wrote:

    DA is fun to talk to as in everything that comes back is the most negative thing a person could almost think of.

    Of course the other side I suppose is the challenge of if he did actually try you could take some credit.

    But yea probably not gonna happen especially now that he has his own church lol

    Ah, but by forming his own Church of the Beta, has he not, in his pride, sown the seeds of his own destruction?

    How long, till some wide-eyed innocent girl decides it would be a real challenge to get the Founder of the Church of David Alexander to bang her?

    How long does David have left, before his faith is lost, and his congregation left without their shepard?

    Woe to the Beta! Woe ten-fold to the porn shop next to the Church of David Alexander!

    They really shouldn’t have agreed to that ten-year lease.

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  464. DA: The problem with all your views is this: you do not think any human being is worth anything. All are horribly flawed. Including yourself.

    Nobody is worth anything.

    Not even your self.

    That is what you have been spouting over and over.

    Who’s the one who needs the prozac?

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  465. You’re the wind beneath my wings, dude.

    Ya, I know – I deliberately deflated you, with not much provocation. Only you did provoke me. This concept of “I was just kidding, I didn’t really mean it” derails meaning, and is an insult to communication.

    Either you meant it, or you didn’t. Can’t have it both ways. Jokes are funny because they hit a true nerve, in an unexpected way.

    The “where is your sense of humor” types of jokes are merely jabs at a nerve. That doesn’t make them “jokes”. And telling someone that it was meant as a joke doesn’t make it funny either. And it doesn’t make it a joke.

    Jokes are funny. Communication is meaningful. The notion that people should all giggle at every thing each other says to maintain social harmony doesn’t work for web forums. To get a laugh you have to work a lot harder than you would hanging out with chums who don’t want to appear disagreable.

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  466. @splat

    “Ya, I know – I deliberately deflated you, with not much provocation.”

    Keep flattering yourself.

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  467. @bhetti

    Like how you word things sista. 🙂

    “Again. Perhaps not something that is easy to find.”

    No perhaps about it.

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  468. DA: I only talk about it with conviction because I’m experiencing it.

    I really did do well much better in my exams than I have ever done doing exactly that. Much better in life than I have ever done. Much better with relationships with other people than I have ever done. But I am still me, a better me. I am still doing what I want to do, but not being held back by fear. I am the happiest I have ever been. I am hopefully doing all I can to ensure someone else’s happiness too.

    I have handed over the need to control and am much better for it.

    And that’s just from that experience “online”. It does exist. And no amount of belittling will change that for me. No horrible happenings later will distract from the massive value of this. Worth it. Completely.

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  469. @bhetti

    I once had the most AMAZING relationship with a gentleman from a far off country – he introduced me to ways of thinking which changed how I view myself and relationships to this day. You’re right it does exist. Worth it completely – oh yes.

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  470. Doug: I suppose some things go without saying for most people, but since it is relevant to the purpose to show how I feel even more explicitly.

    Am sisterly towards and love whomever makes you happy. You’re the only man I want to make happy.

    I realise this may not be possible.

    There it is.

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  471. on July 5, 2009 at 1:18 am Gunslingergregi

    LOL Comment that was funny.

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  472. on July 5, 2009 at 1:21 am Gunslingergregi

    Ok I had just got the link and sent it out. I didn’t know there was a hidden gem.

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  473. @gunslingergregi

    LOL! Too good to pass up I’m afraid.

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  474. on July 5, 2009 at 1:26 am Gunslingergregi

    I am gonna have to gut puch the dude who sent this to me though.

    Then say thank you for the other pics.

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  475. I am the only guy in my generation of Texanists who has not killed somebody at close range & who deserved it.
    All sorts of issues get knocked into clarity when that happens the way it should be..

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  476. I find it interesting your level of anger towards me (i.e. stupid submissive), do I threaten your world view? Hmmmm?

    Yeah, you do. More so than Roissy does. You’re a “threat” to the “project” and the Church.

    As irritating it is to explain this to you YET again I’m submissive period. That goes for the job I’m currently in, CEO of a mid-sized firm

    You’re the CEO of a mid-size firm. That requires you to be a leader and make decisions to ensure the proper functioning of the firm. You are NOT submissive. If you were submissive, you’d be some pointless secretary to the male CEO.

    You will also sleep alone and that I realize is your goal.

    If that what it takes to be able to sleep at night and not feel that I owe people for their kindness and generosity, then yes, I’d rather sleep alone. Besides, twin sized beds are too small for two people, and fuck sleeping on a queen-sized bed. I like being close to both edges.

    The problem with all your views is this: you do not think any human being is worth anything. All are horribly flawed. Including yourself.

    Of course we’re all flawed. We’re all evil little pieces of shit that will sell each other out for penny or the chance at a better sex partner.

    I really did do well much better in my exams than I have ever done doing exactly that. Much better in life than I have ever done.

    If you require somebody to prop you up so you can do well, then you need help.

    How long, till some wide-eyed innocent girl decides it would be a real challenge to get the Founder of the Church of David Alexander to bang her?

    The Church is far stronger than the inferior sexual capacities of the average human female. No woman shall destroy my Church, and the porn shop next door will last a thousand years as the provider of holy materials for the Church. Repeated masturbation will render her satanic charms as useless, and she will learn that her role is not as seductress of a beta, but as the platonic friend to a sweet beta male and a cum dumpster to numerous alpha males.

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  477. Obsidian:

    I don’t check here as often as you, so I miss a lot of your comments. First off, you really need to work on this passive aggressive tone. It’s transparent, not sly.

    Second, I’ll just respond to this because it encompasses most of your point:

    “Above he suggests that one reason why Black Men are so much better at Game, is due largely to the lower-class nature of Black Women, that they respond more to crass and overt shows and displays of dominance than do their better heeled White Sisters.

    Now, anyone who has actually studied Game, and especially has read this blog in particular, would know that not only does OneSTDV have much familiarity with Game, but that his comments are, in a word, BULLSHIT. “Asshole Game” is frequently spoken of, in a most favorable light here and elsewhere; as also WHITE Women’s fascination with jerks. Can’t get much more crass or overt, than that. ”

    I actually don’t have that much knowledge of Game. I watched the two seasons of the Pick-Up artist and spent a couple weeks watching videos online, but the nuances of Game are foreign to me. I do however understand the underlying concepts.

    You miss a distinction between general black game and the commonly used “Asshole Game” supported on this website. General black game is actually the exact opposite of Asshole game. Asshole game is defined by aloofness, disinterestedness, and revoking social dominance from the female. Using negs and dispassionate body language disqualifies the PUA as a potential mate and allows one to build comfort before going into a romantic phase (obviously, I’m not an expert).

    Black game is OVERT and CRASS. It gives all the power to the women. It’s built on lewd come-ons (“yo ass is phat girl”). It’s transparent. The black Gamer doesn’t engage in subtle processes designed to initiate tension and make one’s intentions rather ambigious. The black Gamer says, “Hey black girl, let’s get it on, what’s your fantasy, come on and ride it, you got dumps like a truck, i wanna fuck every girl in the world, lick it like a lollipop, etc.” (It’s not a coincidence those were all song references.)

    Black males tell the girl what he wants and that’s it. Black girls won’t be put off by this overt play because they’re more willing to engage in sexual behavior. I’ll admit that for some white girls, the black alpha male renders all the body posturing to connote social dominance and negging to disqualify somewhat useless. They’ve already achieved alpha status inherently. But a huge majority of white girls will not respond to the blatant Game practiced by most black males.

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  478. @DA- you have an edge to you today. maybe being head of your own church has put you in touch with whatever few, vestigial remaining alpha male characteristics lurk within.

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  479. on July 5, 2009 at 7:42 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ OneSTDV

    You’re largely correct, but you’re missing something here. Interestingly enough, that something is encoded in your own writing.
    Let’s have a look

    Asshole game is defined by aloofness, disinterestedness, and revoking social dominance from the female.

    Yes.
    But.
    Note your (perhaps unconscious) use of the word “revoking” here.
    Roissy style “asshole game” REVOKES a power that is, BY DEFAULT, held by the woman.

    Black game is OVERT and CRASS. It gives all the power to the women.

    Yes.
    But.
    Again, note your (almost certainly unconscious) use of the word “giving” here.
    This form of game only works when it’s practiced by guys who OBVIOUSLY POSSESS the power in the first place, by whatever means.
    For instance, lots and lots of girls would respond enthusiastically to TI’s “You can have Whatever You Like” game, if it were transferred from the stage to real life.
    But that’s not because of the offer itself, it’s because he’s TI. He has the social power, and can GIVE it to women in a way that Roissyesque self styled “assholes” can’t.

    Thought experiments, if you don’t see this:
    * What you’re calling “Black style game”, if practiced by Jack Nicholson, would obviously work.
    * What you’re calling “Black style game”, if practiced by Thomas Sowell, would obviously NOT work.

    Finally, using song lyrics as an actual proxy for game is a really really REALLY bad idea.
    Lots of girls swoon for ballads with sappy beta lyrics that would have them running for their lives if those same lyrics were transferred to real life. But, since the ballads aren’t directed at anyone in particular, they serve as “vulnerability game” for alpha rockstar boy. Pure gold.
    Same thing with the rap lyrics. Since they’re not directed at anyone in particular, they just serve as an abstract representation of raw, excess machismo (which turns women on). The same words, if delivered directly TO women, by the same guys minus the fame quotient, would be too extreme for many (though granted not all).

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  480. *Obsidian shakes his head*

    Sigh.

    OneSTDV, Whiskey, and any and all other White people reading this, right now:

    ALL BLACK PEOPLE DO NOT LIVE IN THE GHETTO.

    OK? I know that is very, very hard to believe, but even Dave Alex can tell you this.

    I have said it a million times before, and it bears repeating: there is a big difference between being *urban* and being *ghetto*. What Whiskey and One are talking about, is the latter, something which, by the way, as a lifelong Black Man,

    I HAVE NEVER, EVER, DONE IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

    Nor has ANY of the Black Men I know and would consider friends of mine. What One and Whiskey has said is NOT Game. Again: I have NEVER told a Woman, at random on the street, hey baby that ass is phat, and other crass come ons. Yup they happen, but ALL BLACK MEN DO NOT DO THAT, and do you know why, fellas? Whiskey? One?

    BECAUSE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE SHIT DON’T WORK.

    That’s why.

    So, please get your heads outta your asses here, and take the time (glaring at One) to actually get to know Black people, in this case, Black Men, OK? Trust me on this, I actually know something about the topic here. Most Black Men don’t hit on Women that way.

    Now, my mentors? Put the “s” in Smooth. Never, ever, had to make such crass moves. They didn’t do the Mystery Method stuff either-there IS a difference btw the way Whites and Blacks do things, no doubt, and White folks in general seem to thrive more on the indirect more than we Black folk do-but all that Nelly-type stuff? Nah. Y’all been watching too much MTV/BET and The Wire. LOL.

    And while we’re at it-Whiskey, again, as a lifelong Black Men who definitely knows more Black Men than you do, as well as knowing and being related to Black Women, I’m telling you, that all of em don’t desire a thug nigga. I’m telling you that, Whiskey. Based on what I done heard outta they’re own mouth. And yup it fits their actions-in fact, I can personally introduce you to scores of Black Women who’d rather be alone, than deal with a thug. A well-educated Black Man is a highly valued commodity in Black USA, and failing that, just a very well read one, lambskin or not. Trust me.

    The only Women in Black USA who does that kind of stuff, are hoodrat chickenheads, whom I’ve NEVER personally dealt with. And I have opportunities to do so all the time, because errtime I step outside my door I’m getting hit on by em: Heeeey! Excuuuuuuse me!!! Ugh.

    So, please, lets put the bad stereotypes to bed here, OK fellas?

    Now…

    What I’m talking about, is the apparent fact that, on average, Black guys seem to have more Game than do White guys. Sure, there are say, Doug on the White side, and Dave Alex on the Black side-but, all things being equal, its generally observed that Black guys tend to have more natural Game than White guys do. Why this should come off as scandalous to so many of you-most of whom would at least in theory would agree that one average, Black folk aint as smart as Whites and Asians-is odd, since both speak undeniably to HBD-and which brings me back to my good friend, OneSTDV:

    You’ve said on your site, when first addressing me in fact, that you were interested in Game, though I don’t recall you saying to what extent. But that’s cool, since you obviously don’t know Black folk very well either, yet that don’t prevent you from writing, extensively, on them now, do it? So, since HBD and race interests you so, why not plumb the depths of a very important issue-hmm?

    Why Can’t Johnny (& Chang) Get Laid, One?

    THAT is the question-and I am suggesting that a big part of it, which Game attempts to address, is the very real downsides of too-high Male IQ. Its a buzzkill for most Women.

    And I’m very interested in exploring that, One? You? And if not, why-arent you as interested in HBD, as I am? Hmm?

    Now, let’s address the concerns raised by Doug and PA and a few others, about Blue Collar White guys doing very well w/Women. From what I can tell, there seems to be quite a bit of truth in that. But see, here’s the thing, though-Game sites, bootcamps, and the like? One ain’t likely to see Joe the Plumbers, Ricci the Firefighter, or Sal the Teamster up in there, no do we? Who do we see-we see largely cubicle dwellers-writers, lawyers in some cases, eggheads, engineers, gearheads. That sort of thing. Heck, you can probably count the number of blue collar White guys at those events on one hand, possibly due to the simple fact that they may not be able to afford the cost of the fees-I hear you can make quite a nice living peddling Game.

    Moreover, let’s cut the bullshit gentlemen-how many of YOU actually ARE Teamsters? Firemen? Plumbers? Factory workers? And no, doing stuff like that for a summer gig in btw semesters at college don’t count. I’m talking about, how many of you actually pay your bills by doing such work?

    I’ll wait for the legion of answers to come streaming in from the Roissy regulars (looks at OneSTDV).

    *Obsidian looks around room, patiently waiting…*

    So, let’s recap, shall we?

    1. Most Black folks don’t live in the ghetto.

    2. Most Black Men don’t talk to Black Women in the way OneSTDV thinks, yet Black Men tend to have more natural Game than do White/Asian Men, on average.

    3. Obsidian suggests this is due to HBD, and is most interested in studying the implications of this as it pertains to Game wrt the major Male racial groups in the USA.

    4. Blue collar White Men don’t seem to have too many problems on this front. The issue lies with a certain type of White and Asian Male, who seem to exhibit the downsides of too high an IQ. Study and observation has shown repeatedly, that Women do not select for raw intelligence and its typically associated trappings. Hence the rise of Game books, sites, bootcamps and the like, aimed particularly at such Men in the hopes of helping them get some beore they die w/calcified jackoff hands.

    We all clear now, gentlemen?
    Good. Now, by all means, discuss…

    The Obsidian

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  481. ” I saw these guys all the time in college and they were like the male version of aging cougars.” – kalliope.

    Maybe – ‘cooters’?

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  482. If you require somebody to prop you up so you can do well, then you need help.

    It’s quite clear I do fairly well, anyway, you deliberately obtuse Bishop on a testosterone and adrenaline driven rampage. Simply much better when happy.

    Still, I’m human. I’m a woman. I am not designed to be alone. I need help to stay sane. Maybe I am mad. Madness is perhaps what happens when you live in a state unnatural for you.

    It’s irrational and unnatural that I don’t seek help.

    The old school type of help.

    A psychologist calls it ‘social support’. The best kind, I think! The closer, the better! The most effective prevention against mental illness. What were you calling this natural state, ‘propping up’? The ‘propping up’ IS the psychologist’s solution. Why advise to take that away? Counterintuitive.

    Are you getting enough help, Mr. Mankind Is Evil?

    Have you taken your hug medication?

    The problem with intelligent people is their brilliant ability to rationalise restricting their choices, isn’t it? Even the ones that make us miserable. Even the ones that’re inspired by how we feel rather than what we intellectually know. Been there. Done that.

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  483. @maurice and DA

    Maurice said to DA “you have an edge to you today. maybe being head of your own church has put you in touch with whatever few, vestigial remaining alpha male characteristics lurk within”

    I was thinking similar thoughts myself yesterday. I think having his own church has made David feel powerful, power = alpha. David your church may be the very thing that brings down your betaness. How ironic.

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  484. aoefe:
    ‘Stay away from me and begone, you filthy submissive!’
    ‘How dare you!’ Oh no, am I getting a bit hot? This is so wrong.

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  485. Two utterly delightful and sexy women:

    Bhetti and aoefi.

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  486. @doug 1

    Gotta admit I like what comes out of the mouth of the wonderful Doug Draper.

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  487. you have an edge to you today. maybe being head of your own church has put you in touch with whatever few, vestigial remaining alpha male characteristics lurk within

    Eh, being more depressed than usual can do that to you, where stuff that didn’t easily piss you off before can annoy you to a point of frustration. The Church isn’t the source of the feeling powerful, and the Church will simply serve as the repository of all that is beta in the world.

    ‘Stay away from me and begone, you filthy submissive!’
    ‘How dare you!’ Oh no, am I getting a bit hot? This is so wrong.

    I must resist the evil temptations of these women as they seek to corrupt me. I was once corrupted by an evil Canadian woman, and I won’t allow another one with her evil Arab partner. Using her corporate connections, Bhetti’s med school knowledge of the human body, and the legions of beta males at their disposal, they’re probably working on some evil drug to destroy me and my Church.

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  488. DA: Your knowledge of our plans will not change them or their effectiveness one wit.

    You and yours are doomed, DA. Noone can withstand these feminine wiles.

    The testosterone shipment will be out in a week, and you will be injected in your unwary sleep.

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  489. @DA said “they’re probably working on some evil drug to destroy me and my Church.”

    Yes the evil drug has a name too – it’s called “Man-up”.

    Side effects include:

    Increased self esteem
    Sexual health improvments
    Drastically reduces anxiety/agitation
    Depression reduction

    These are just a few of the terrible implications resulting from being forced to ingest Man-up. Bhetti continues with her research trials while I develop a market. We think we may have found the perfect bunny in you David. mwahhhaahaaa

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  490. @Bhetti

    Too funny! Great minds think alike. Heh.

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  491. DA: Did the ‘Fuck you, whiskey’ resort not work this time? I’m sure he’s around.

    Maybe whatwould do you good is a good physical fake fight with a fellow male. [Videotape it, please.]

    Annoyed depressed beats apathetic depressed and is more masculine as depression goes.

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  492. aoefe: Man-UP. Excellent label. May add the roissy supplements: “NAC, resveratrol, and glutathione” as well as other modifications to ensure fantastic multiple approach results and so that it will work on even the most hopeless of betas and function as unbeatable market leader.

    Desperate times, desperate measures.

    We make a brilliant team.

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  493. on July 5, 2009 at 3:27 pm Dreamer (not the herpes obsessed "dreamin")

    @ONESDTV
    You need to meet more black people. It seems that you are largely taking your ideas from extreme rap/hip-hop representations and bad comedy.

    As other posters have noted in response to you here, only actual famous “thug” rappers themselves can get away with that attitude.

    And even some rappers don’t represent that attitude. Think of Jay-Z (if you know who that is), or even the newer artist, Drake, or even Kanye West. Their style is smooth, subtle and anti- yelling and catcalling, and more about attitude, signals, image and slight insinuations – much of which Roissy writes about in his blog.

    @Bhetti and aoefe
    Lol… I believe more men are in need of your help. Please continue the good work.

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  494. Your knowledge of our plans will not change them or their effectiveness one wit.

    Once I publicize your plans, your attempts to destroy beta males shall fail, and my Church will become the beacon of light for the resistance.

    You and yours are doomed, DA. Noone can withstand these feminine wiles.

    Enough masturbation shall surpress those urges that your feminine wiles are using.

    The testosterone shipment will be out in a week, and you will be injected in your unwary sleep.

    Dear frigging God, it’s almost as if you’re tapping into my mind. It was some evil fantasy/nightmare where I found the pornstarish girl, but she injected me with her evil testosterone while I was asleep so she could be with me.

    Yes the evil drug has a name too – it’s called “Man-up”.

    Ugh, I’ve been forced to do that, and it’s downright frustrating since I’m powerless to do anything. Must be the immune system fighting it off.

    We think we may have found the perfect bunny in you David.

    I must purge these evil chemicals from my body. As the leader of the Church, I must remain pure as the snow to retain true betaness.

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  495. Side effects include:

    Increased self esteem – increased chance of stupidity and failure
    Sexual health improvments – increased risk of boorish behaviour
    Drastically reduces anxiety/agitation – increased risk of engaging in dagerious behaviour
    Depression reduction – decrease of IQ

    Too funny! Great minds think alike. Heh.

    You will come to regret your actions. You are a threat to the “project”, and the consequences are immense.

    Did the ‘Fuck you, whiskey’ resort not work this time? I’m sure he’s around.

    Well, my arguments have been with you and Aoefe, so my anger is sadly directed toward the two of you who sadly want to be submissive women to some evil, brooding alpha male when you should be dominant, free, and independent, and chasing alphas on the cock carousel. And by alpha, I mean real alphas, not the faux-alphas that your serum is bound to create.

    Maybe whatwould do you good is a good physical fake fight with a fellow male.

    Um, no.

    Annoyed depressed beats apathetic depressed and is more masculine as depression goes.

    Apathetic depressed people tend to stay out of the way and not bother people too much.

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  496. on July 5, 2009 at 4:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Dreamer (not the herpes obsessed “dreamin”)
    @ONESDTV
    You need to meet more black people. It seems that you are largely taking your ideas from extreme rap/hip-hop representations and bad comedy. ”””””””””

    Ahh have you met very many black folks. Well ok I was meeting mostly the average black folks. Like the normal ones. The ones that do drugs listen to rap and kill people for no reason sometimes for a reason. Of course they also gang banged white chicks. That is the real draw of black men to some woman. Drugs and getting gang banged by more than one guy.

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  497. on July 5, 2009 at 4:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    I mean one guy can only go so long but ten guys yea now you got chick crack for some chicks. Now when they also get crack with it. Yea double whammy.

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  498. on July 5, 2009 at 4:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    Course here on this site I do get to see a different side.

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  499. on July 5, 2009 at 7:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’During college, my friends and I talked about the marriage strike and realized that it was unfortunately the best way to go. 5 years after graduation, none of us are married or even in relationships. We all get above average amounts of sex before anyone says anything. One of my friends is about to finish grad school with an MBA, another is finishing up his rotation in med school. They both are planning on moving abroad within the next few years so that they can get married and raise families away from the anti-male, pro feminist western society.

    When I was a young boy, there was an older lady that lived across the street from me that constantly wanted me to visit with her. She would buy me Christmas presents, birthday presents, etc. I found out later in life from my mom that she was single, never married and didn’t have any children. She was basically an old, lonely woman. In my building here in NYC, there are a lot of these older, never married, childless single women. These are some of the saddest people you will ever see. Miserable. To a lot of the women that are following these comments, this is your future in some variation. I hope you enjoy it and I wish you well.

    — Mark

    ””””””””””””””””””””’

    Hard core I think so.

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  500. on July 5, 2009 at 8:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/14678/

    omg a chick is sentenced to one year of not seeing her daughter for alleging that the father had subjected the teenager to severe emotional abuse which she said endangered the childs safety.

    ”””””Citing Ms. A’s extreme parental alienation toward the father, Justice Donna Martinson said she was satisfied that Ms. A’s allegations were unfounded and that the mother “continued to undermine the relationship between M and her father and has acted in ways that are detrimental to M’s psychological healing.”””””””””””””””’

    Link came from this site which has interesting things about the divorce system and family law.

    http://www.familylawcourts.com/

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  501. on July 5, 2009 at 9:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””Brownstone authored a recently published book, the first of its kind for a sitting family court judge, aimed at educating separating couples about the pitfalls of fighting their battles in court.

    In Tug of War: A Judge’s Verdict on Separation, Custody Battles, and the Bitter Realities of Family Court, Brownstone wants parents to understand that taking their fight to family court is not a decision that should be taken lightly—they should be prepared.”””””””””””””””””’

    The judge wrote a book on how to interact with family law and prepare. Man this shit is gold.

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  502. on July 5, 2009 at 9:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    He further says”””””””””’“The court basically pits parents against each other … so they get into the pattern of denigrating each other while trying to prove to the court—and also dragging their children into it—that they are the superior parent; but more importantly that the other parent is untrustworthy, deficient, and incapable. The system is set up to promote that kind of behavior.”””””””””””””””””””””””””””

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  503. on July 5, 2009 at 9:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’It’s within this “winner take all custody regime” in which parents are threatened with the loss of their children that violence tends to occur, he says. “It’s a recipe for disaster.”””””””””””””

    And there it is divorce laws are not making people safer the parents or the kids. It is putting people in the most dangerous situation they have ever faced that of losing their kids.

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  504. hey whiskey

    alphas get pushed around too

    [editor: that’s because an alpha male is not necessarily the best looking or most in shape. attitude counts. dominance counts. game counts. my definition explains it elegantly and simply: the alpha male is the one who is attractive to the greatest number of quality females. whether or not he acts on his desireability is irrelevant to his alphaness.]

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  505. Chic Noir will never, ever, in a million years, comprehend the basics of Game. No matter how long she resides on this blog, she will never, ever, learn the basics. He brain is incompatible with comprehending Game.

    She still thinks that even after a man learns Game, it is normal for him to have to buy a drink for a woman in order to ‘buy a few minutes of her time’, in which to ‘sell himself’. She also thinks that women give up more by getting married than men do.

    Most women can’t grasp Game. Only a few can actually comprehend Game.

    That is why Game works.

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  506. on July 5, 2009 at 9:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””Brownstone believes that by constantly returning to family court to fight over petty issues, couples are using the system as a platform to perpetuate a relationship that they’re not ready to let go.””””””’

    That is what I said the church was made fun of by the media for making people stay married for life.

    Then the state gets involved and still makes em stay married for life but with no benefits. (or at least 18 years)

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  507. that was my teasing of whiskey, nothing more.

    tood Chic Noir will never, ever, in a million years, comprehend the basics of Game
    epic comment tood, I think you’re right 🙂

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  508. “You need to meet more black people. It seems that you are largely taking your ideas from extreme rap/hip-hop representations and bad comedy.

    And even some rappers don’t represent that attitude. Think of Jay-Z (if you know who that is), or even the newer artist, Drake, or even Kanye West.”

    “If I know who Jay-Z is”?!?!?!? Did you read my post where I quoted a ton of rap songs from as far back as the mid 90’s?

    Oh and great counterexample using Drake. His song’s chorus is: “I want to fuck every girl in the world”. Then he mentions having relations with retards, midgets, Hilary Clinton, and Miley Cyrus.

    oh and Kanye. Come on. From “Stronger”: “And I’d do anything for a blond dyke”. I don’t feel like going through his songs to find more examples. That’ll have to do.

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  509. “@ONESDTV
    You need to meet more black people. It seems that you are largely taking your ideas from extreme rap/hip-hop representations and bad comedy.”

    Oh and why is this accusation alwalys directed towards race-realists and other conservative racial commentators? Ironically, honest views about blacks (the kind you won’t find in lilly white suburbia) is a result of actual first hand experience with blacks. I went to a very diverse public school. That’s where my experience comes from. That anecdotal perspective is supported by just about every study that comes out and the portrayal of blacks in popular culture (though I must admit there is a feedback loop between actual black behavior and the depiction in media).

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  510. That comment about black women being low class and responsive to over aggressiveness in game is B.S. Black women are soooooooooooooo used to (and over and tired of) Black men’s games that they don’t even give a second look. They are famous for their eyerolls and hence, black men have turned their “game” elsewhere, on the women they don’t have to use “game” with but simply walk past – –white girls (not me, been there, done that and I’m onto it and so over it like the sistas, but my friends, and we are talking intelligent, professional white women ARE ON THE BROTHERS LIKE WHITE ON RICE, YO!)

    That had to be a comment from a white boy who has NEVER been to the ‘hood or any club where the majority of patrons are not white.

    Actually, it’s white women who are easier for a black man to seduce than black women.

    Man, y’all white boys got no idea what’s going on in the black community when it comes to gender relations, do you?

    And you don’t seem to have too much of an idea what’s going on between white women and black men either!

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  511. Does it occur to you, Roissy, that being hung-up on pussy and female dating rites is fundamentally unmanly?

    Nothing funnier than seeing macho ”alphas” sit around talking about how to beat the bitches at their own girl games under the auspices of ”man-talk”.

    Rest assured, you ”alpha males” are witchy, bitchy, and fabulous!

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  512. Thomas

    Rest assured, you ”alpha males” are witchy, bitchy, and fabulous!

    c’mon tommy,
    admit you get a tad tumescent
    when you get a whiff
    of our
    scent

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  513. ”c’mon tommy,
    admit you get a tad tumescent
    when you get a whiff
    of our
    scent”

    I think I would if you’d admit which way you go – however twinks preening for one another while pretending its all manly prep. for ”punishing the pussy” is just…so…faggy.

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  514. .I’m a hairy leather biker daddy dom top

    i can’t even go into a public restroom
    without getting offers
    from metrosexual
    queer eye
    types

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  515. aoefe

    I once had the most AMAZING relationship with a gentleman from a far off country –

    i’m amazed you liked the asian teeny peeny

    get his recipes – i wanna stun lilgrl with a Beagle Omelette

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  516. @firepower

    It twasn’t asia – lol.

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  517. I think I would if you’d admit which way you go – however twinks preening for one another while pretending its all manly prep. for ”punishing the pussy” is just…so…faggy.

    As opposed to trolling Internet comment forums looking for people to insult from the safety of home?

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  518. aoefe

    @firepower

    It twasn’t asia – lol.

    fine. deny lilgrl the power of my
    puppy pancakes

    byizzattch

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  519. ”As opposed to trolling Internet comment forums looking for people to insult from the safety of home?”

    Lousy content is lousy content – its not trolling to point that out. Nobody over age 22 or so takes this kind of PUA/self help shit seriously, and its especially flameworthy when its dressed up at ”He Man Woman Haters” macho talk.

    Look, you guys can talk about your dating ‘game’, what shoes to wear, who is a ‘perfect 10’ and who is a ‘beta’ all you want; its well known that everbody on the internet is a fag; just don’t pretend that this office twink girl talk is ”man talk” just because you talk about beating up the gash.

    Here is the long and short:

    An actual ”Alpha” would never think about ‘game’ and he’s not that interested in pussy; its just a nice warm distraction that is always there and isn’t important. No need for him to think about it.

    The “betas” that you fags malign and poke fun at like a bunch of high schools are just regular working stiffs who are content to get a piece of hand once in a while and are delighted if they have (as a wise man once stated about the Negro race) loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit. They don’t give a fuck that they don’t get to cornhole runway models anymore than it eats at them that they munch on White Castles instead of filet. You guys think they do because you’re huge fags – and huge fags do things like reading Dawkins on their lunch hour to pretend they’re smarter than people who read ”DaVinci Code” (note: you’re not; you’re both special needs cases) and kicking around some dysgenic sad sack motherfucker who works in the mailroom to pretend they’re chiefs rather than indians (again, you’re not; the actual ‘alphas’, as Fussel stated, are ‘out of sight’ of ordinary people and vice versa).

    Hope this helps.

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  520. on July 6, 2009 at 3:00 pm Gunslingergregi

    “Pimpslaps thomas”

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  521. on July 6, 2009 at 3:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    aoefe,
    You don’t have to make shit up to compete 🙂

    Sure there are some good woman in the states.

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  522. “Pimpslaps thomas”

    I’d better work on my shuck and jive then or just duck out the door, lest I get bum rushed and chin-checked by a pack of internet Alphas swinging D&G handbags with lethal diva attitude.

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  523. Thomas

    …are delighted if they have (as a wise man once stated about the Negro race) loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit.

    lol.

    suddenly, i like this guy.

    in a non mancrush sort of way. maybe in the matt mcconaghey / lance armstrong kind of way

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  524. PA

    It’s a huge mistake to think…Asians are incapable of the most horrific violence

    rly – just try disagreeing with them. Or

    eating their
    cooking

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  525. Thomas – My point was that your credibility on your point is a tautology. Any real alpha wouldn’t be on an Internet message board. Well you are on an Internet message board, so your advice on ‘real alpha’ doesn’t matter. And if your advice doesn’t matter than maybe a real alpha would be on an Internet message board. And so on, and so on.

    In other words – you’re acting the same way the people you’re criticizing are acting.

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  526. And then there are alphas that have wives or other committed relationships at this point.

    As well this board is not just about learning game, or swapping game ideas and stories, but also about gender realism and anti-feminism. Such as today’s main post, and what the last post of the weekend’s comment section discussed — feminist theories of and definitions of rape.

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  527. Thomas: Take your preaching to where it belongs. If you think trying to educate yourself, that being alpha is preordained or strategising as a group about doing anything better in life is ‘unmanly’, then that’s where your crap belongs.

    Enjoy “being yourself” and criticising people who actually try to do better than that. What an unmanly crime!

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  528. on July 6, 2009 at 5:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Hey got a guy acting like a little bitch and gets almost as much attention.

    Take note thomas lol

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  529. on July 6, 2009 at 5:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Difference between internet alpha and alpha with no internet.

    Alpha with internet can prescreen tons and tons of chicks to get the ones that are actually his taste. Check their history undertand where they are coming from. See how they interact with environment. Before going for the gold.

    Plus also pick up in real world but yea only thing you get is the eye first then fuck then you got to figure out is they are worth putting time or not. Unless you prescreen by watching them only have so many you are in proximity with.

    Adds another tool to the arsenal.

    Or yea it could make you see lucifers points clearer.

    Take the bad with the good.

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  530. White Girl, where are you from? I’m interested in discussing your experiences with you further.

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  531. ”but also about gender realism and anti-feminism.”

    These are important topics, and in the pre-internet days, Jim Goad wrote great copy on these things. I actually think Goad’s old ”Answer Me!” zines and Sam Peckinpah’s underappreciated picture, ”Straw Dogs” are some of the best critical treatment of ideological feminism in existence for introducing the uninitiated.

    The trouble is when men decide to lash out in puerile and adolescent ways – one of those ways being adopting some asinine tomcatting ethos under the auspices of ”alphadom”.

    Quick primer – I’m not an ‘alpha’ and niether are you. ‘Alphas’ also are not club-dwelling Guidos with a permanent cunt stink on their chin. Nor are they aspies who collect sheckels crunching numbers. Nor are they field-hand descendants who run with pigskins on Sunday.

    Some famous alpha males in history: JFK, Howard Hughes, Vo Ngyuen Giap, Adolf Hitler, Alexander Hamilton.

    Pussy is a secondary benefit of alphadom that the alpha enjoys by right – or doesn’t enjoy by choice because he leads a higher life, devoid of unclean and cloying things.

    You don’t defang pussy by worshipping it.

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  532. on July 6, 2009 at 9:10 pm Tupac Chopra

    “Sam Peckinpah’s underappreciated picture, ”Straw Dogs”

    DA needs to see that movie.

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  533. on July 6, 2009 at 9:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    LOL thomas you got to backread already figured out on this site how to exterminate the population of the entire world. So yea more than hitler was capable of.

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  534. ”LOL thomas you got to backread already figured out on this site how to exterminate the population of the entire world.”

    Good. You’re beginning to understand. Alphas are doers – writers are fags indulging a precious little hobby. If we were being honest with ourselves, we’d start taking it up the shitpipe and throw our keyboards away.

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  535. on July 6, 2009 at 9:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but roissy could end up changeing the world with his writing. Just like hitler did with his book.

    So yea you got to understand that men are at different stages of life. They ‘do’ different things at different times. Even Jesus didn’t start his true calling till around 35 right. Hitler didn’t start until later either. So yea what you have to understand is that a guy who said he would have to rape a woman to be able to have sex has now been able to get sex without doing so. This is quite a monumental achievment in my book and it is because of roissies writing and ability to create something like this.

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  536. on July 6, 2009 at 9:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    I already got 9000 m1 abrams produced in total. Waves of 10,000 fighters for 30 days even at same cost as abrams would only be around 1.3 trillion. Except they will cost about 1/36 the cost of m1 so totally doable.

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  537. on July 6, 2009 at 9:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well this is also what roissy understands too.
    He says you need to put your mission in your life first in your life. It helps to be able to find the right woman who can spin in your orbit though doesn’t it.

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  538. on July 6, 2009 at 9:42 pm Tupac Chopra

    Yea but roissy could end up changeing the world with his writing. Just like hitler did with his book.

    For those who saw “The Watchmen”: the very last scene where Rorschach’s book is dropped into a newsroom’s mail bin is how I imagine Roissy’s blog being the elucidating “scoop” on what in the hell went wrong with Western Civilization.

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  539. ”Even Jesus didn’t start his true calling till around 35 right. Hitler didn’t start until later either. So yea what you have to understand is that a guy who said he would have to rape a woman to be able to have sex has now been able to get sex without doing so. This is quite a monumental achievment in my book and it is because of roissies writing and ability to create something like this.”

    The point is that chasing ‘alpha’ status is a losing proposition for ordinary men – and that’s fine. You don’t need to get hung up on 2x4s by Pharisees or turn scores of Jews and Commies into living room furniture in order to be a man who stands on his own two feet – you just need to do something constructive and not fag off by doing what assholes tell you that you’re supposed to do.

    Pussy is a) not that important and b) part of the expressed will of nature. Mother nature, like cooze, should niether be chided as a filthy whore nor lauded as a virgin pure – mostly all nature wants you to do is play its game and obey its rules. If you play ball with certain stipulations, things will be fine. Build a fire when its cold, erect a tent when it rains, conquer pussy when its available and there is some cognizable benefit other than blasting your gooey genetic code into a plastic bag while wheezing and thrusting on top of some sociopathic fuck muppet just to say you did it.

    Guys whittling away their downtime obsessing over gash is depressing – its boring and it doesn’t set any kind of example for youngsters. If guys want to be nihilistic, and least do something funny and/or ballsy, however stupid. Join an MMA club and beat up on other fags because it beats working. Join the army to fight in some asinine war at the behest of a bunch of inbred Anglo-Saxons and their Tay Sachs vector buddies. Conversley, become a Muslim and be mean to the pussy as a matter of theology. Get fired for telling nigger jokes at the water cooler the day before MLK day.

    Just do someting other than being a pack of myopic panty-sniffers.

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  540. Jack, I almost missed your question. Comments move fast on this blog, much faster than the cultural/philosophical blogs I’m used to. If you blink, you might miss something aimed at you, like I did! I found this blog by a fluke, don’t know how, but I’m observing.

    You ask where I am from. That’s a loaded question and not easily answered as I have lived lived all over the world and consider myself a “global citizen”, I guess. But what experiences are you interested in of mine?

    Tupac Chopra: “I imagine Roissy’s blog being the elucidating “scoop” on what in the hell went wrong with Western Civilization.”

    Actually, I can tell you exactly what went wrong with “western civilization”.

    You guys talk about a guy having a “mission” in life, and that’s part of it. But rather than “individual mission”, the society at large has to have a “collective mission” and that is where “western civilization” went wrong.

    Dating, relationships, sex, this is all highly random right now in the West. There is no point or mission behind any of it and that’s why its so screwed up and left to chance here.

    There’s really no real “purpose” or “mission” behind “marriage” anymore and hence, its not considered all that important. Kids don’t need both parents anymore and they certainly don’t need their grandparents, aunts, uncles or cousins. There is such an emotional disconnect and vacuum in our souls that we seek “connection” through random encounters with 9s and 10s in loud, kitchy bars.

    And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    Sad, really.

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  541. on July 6, 2009 at 9:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””Guys whittling away their downtime obsessing over gash is depressing – its boring and it doesn’t set any kind of example for youngsters. ”””””””’

    lol Did you just invoke the ”’for the children”” must be getting a little desperate. Yea of course we need to do stuff. But what is wrong with men having a site to go to where they can talk about all the shit going on and how to get laid but also to protect themselves in this world so that they can do something with their lives other than being enslaved to the pussy they used to get and the children they used to raise.

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  542. ”lol Did you just invoke the ”’for the children”” must be getting a little desperate. ”

    Hey, I’m not the one looking for self-help advice on how to get my dick wet on internet blogs. Be civilized and set an example or be uncivilized in a manly capacity. This is pretty simple stuff. Tomcatting for its own sake in lieu of having kids is for fags.

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  543. on July 6, 2009 at 10:04 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””’Thomas,
    The point is that chasing ‘alpha’ status is a losing proposition for ordinary men – and that’s fine. You don’t need to get hung up on 2×4s by Pharisees or turn scores of Jews and Commies into living room furniture in order to be a man who stands on his own two feet – you just need to do something constructive and not fag off by doing what assholes tell you that you’re supposed to do.”””””””””””’

    I have a deifferent view I think every man should have a lifetime goal of conquering the earth. Now the doing what assholes tell you to do sounds a little like the woman on here who talk about not doing shit for there husbands but will do anything for ‘carreer’. People come here because they want to do something with there lives and not just do what assholes at work or career or in marriage or in life tell them to do. They are looking at how to transcend that and with the personnal stories transferred you will see what I am talking about.

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  544. ”Now the doing what assholes tell you to do sounds a little like the woman on here who talk about not doing shit for there husbands but will do anything for ‘carreer’.”

    I think you’re way off base. Not bowing to the strange Gods of diversity and feminism when ordered is what sane people do – its not tantamount to some cunt acting out because she thinks that minding other men’s money instead of obeying her husband is personally liberating.

    You’re a grown man – learn more about the real problem and stop lamenting the secondary effects. If its any condolence to you, the gender crisis will resolve itself though demographics by mid-century.

    I’m just the messenger. Kicking me in the nuts won’t change these things.

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  545. on July 6, 2009 at 10:10 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””Guys whittling away their downtime obsessing over gash is depressing – its boring and it doesn’t set any kind of example for youngsters. If guys want to be nihilistic, and least do something funny and/or ballsy, however stupid. Join an MMA club and beat up on other fags because it beats working. Join the army to fight in some asinine war at the behest of a bunch of inbred Anglo-Saxons and their Tay Sachs vector buddies. Conversley, become a Muslim and be mean to the pussy as a matter of theology. Get fired for telling nigger jokes at the water cooler the day before MLK day.”””””””””””””””””””’

    I have done all this in the last 5 years except I didn’t get fired for telling nigger jokes because I was talking to black people.
    Yea ok so yea you can be on here and do some shit how bout that.

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  546. on July 6, 2009 at 10:20 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””’ the gender crisis will resolve itself though demographics by mid-century.”””””’

    The world crisis will resolve itself through perfect war by then. Until then if some guys get to go grab some pussy why not.

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  547. ”I have done all this in the last 5 years except I didn’t get fired for telling nigger jokes because I was talking to black people.”

    Good job. Quit the pussy hounding and find friends who are like you and start getting things done. If you’re still on the internet, we’ll know you failed.

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  548. on July 6, 2009 at 10:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””I think you’re way off base. Not bowing to the strange Gods of diversity and feminism when ordered is what sane people do ”””””””””””””

    Then we all must be sane.

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  549. ”Then we all must be sane.”

    Who is ‘we’? I see a bunch of guys whining about women having to much power and worshipping pussy.

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  550. White Girl makes some interesting points wrt Black guys and Game, and as well, in her reply to OneSTDV, who seems able to recall Kayne’ West’s music oh so selectively (what about Gold Digger? Diamonds Are Forever? Etc, et al), to say nothing of Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Common, and so on. Once again, One’s penchant for looking at the world through a keyhole instead of through a door betrays his purportedly informed views on HBD and Race. Now why is that not surprising.

    Going back to White Girl’s comments, again there’s some truth in what she’s saying-its been my own personal experience that running Game/seducing White Women is indeed easier to pull off than wrt Sistas, though personally I can’t say I’ve had too much difficulty with either.

    In any case, One definitely needs to get out more before he sits down in from of a keyboard.

    O

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  551. on July 6, 2009 at 10:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    You can do both it can be a nice incentive that you give yourself. positive re-enforcement of your beliefs. Everyone on your list also had a woman. The right woman can be what makes life more enjoyable. Along with that some more woman on the side like marylin monroe can make it even better. Having a ten in your life gives an even greater feeling of euforia. Gives greater meaning to being a man with a mission.

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  552. White Girl – you seem to have some interesting thoughts. I can’t say I’m too familiar with the ‘hood, but I’d like to know more about what you saw in black men and your “professional” friends’ attitudes toward them. You seem like you might actually have something to contribute here.

    you got email? or maybe I’ll give you mine.

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  554. The truth from an actual woman:
    Men who issue commands don’t make my VAGINA tingle. If any man I was with decided to build a harem, I would be worried about him because he would have to be suicidal ( I would make him wish – no, pray – for death). I would probably sleep with his best friend or close relative. And in your scenario, the woman is pregnant…I would break Mr. Harem financially if that was the case. You see, all you puffed-up fake-ass macho-in-you-own-mind masturbaters, any reasonably intelligent female knows how to deal with your bullshit. I left a man who was being an asshole for Mr. nice Guy, whom I LOVE. Now, Mr. Alpha/Asshole and Mr. nice Guy both want me. Worked out nicely for me. And I got to see beneath Alpha’s macho mask. He is lonely and depressed. You guys can all buy each other’s bragging bullshit and laughable theories about women, but most women can see right through every one of you. And if you ever run into a woman like me, you will learn to mind your manners.

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