Thinking Like A Woman

I was at a house party noticing something I expect to see at these sorts of events: dudes not knowing what the fuck they are doing with women. (Proof that the practice of game is not making many inroads into general circulation.) Every single guy who was macking on a girl was telegraphing in the worst way possible his sheer delight to be speaking with her. Some of the gross errors of pickup judgement I observed:

  • Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes.
  • Leaning into her (in some cases the girl actually leaned back, like she was trying to escape his bad breath).
  • Constant smiling.
  • Rapid-fire talking.
  • Interrupting her to vociferously agree with whatever she was saying.
  • Too much laughing, and laughing too hard at ostensibly unfunny female jokes.
  • Telling long-winded stories.
  • Getting a laugh from her, and then repeating his brilliant joke for good measure.
  • Nervous body tics (rubbing of fingertips on glasses, shifting of feet, crossing and uncrossing of arms, scratching of ears and noses).
  • Relying too heavily on unsubtle sexual innuendo.
  • Constantly asking if she needed a new drink.
  • Excessive head nodding.
  • Asking a lot of questions.
  • Dutifully answering her questions.
  • Never touching her.

Now none of these men were socialy awkward losers. They were all normal men with well-rounded lives. Solid, salt of the earth dudes. The kind of guys women claim to want to date. On paper, they were catches. But as we all know, credentialist paper mentality is why so many men fail with women. Rip that paper up, because it is not what women really want; it is what they say they want to make their mothers happy. And because women’s own hindbrains are a mystery to even them.

The general impression one would get from watching all these nascent courtship dances is CHASING. The men were doing all the chasing.

Chase, chase, chase, chase, chase, chase, chase…… aaaallll the way home. Alone.

Men, pull it together. The way to seduce women is by redirecting them to CHASE YOU. You do this by exploiting their natural and universal female desire to your advantage. This is what game is all about. If you act like the men I saw at this party, you are running no game at all. And no game may as well be anti-game, because its effects on women are the same — bored, dry pussy. The only difference between zero game and being actively repulsive is the speed which her pussy snaps shut. The destination is the same.

Remember the fundamentals of game recently discussed here at the Chateau:

  1. Be aloof. (Amused mastery)
  2. Don’t be insecure. (Irrational self-confidence)
  3. Dehumanize and objectify women. (Do not put any pussy on a pedestal)

Re-read those fundamentals out loud. Taken together, what are they really saying?

“I am the prize. I do not seek the approval of any woman. She will, instead, want to seek my approval.”

Or, in simpler caveman language:

“She chases me.”

Yes, this thinking turns conventional wisdom on its head. Yes, it takes a huge dump on the evolutionarily derived instincts that govern the behavior of men and women. But as practitioners of the crimson arts, we are not here to abide conventional wisdom. Nor are we here to meekly march to the beat of our Darwinian impulses. We are here to learn how to seduce women… efficiently, completely, utterly.

The first step to getting a woman to chase you is to think like a woman. Only when you have put yourself into the mind of woman will the game that you need to seduce them begin to make any sense to you. Deep empathy — not the cheap bleeding heart kind but the kind that you struggle hard to attain so that it may redound to your maximum benefit — is the ultimate inner game that serves as the bedrock upon which the rest of the razzle-dazzle game will flow effortlessly.

In fact, this may be the best explanation of the meta-fundamental precept that underlies the above fundamentals:

Think like a woman.

Get in the mind of your adversary. (And make no mistake, men and women are, underneath the romantic tapestry, adversaries in the mating market. We have contradictory reproductive goals as nature designed.) Know what she needs to feel desire, what she loathes, how she will react before she does, and what her frame of mind is when men hit on her. Once you have successfully infiltrated one woman’s mind, you will have supremacy over all women’s minds.

When you think like a woman, you are imagining… no, you are accepting as a given… what it’s like to mercilessly judge the smallest details of a girl. What it’s like to be one foot in, one foot out with every girl you deign to talk to. What it’s like to cast a jaundiced eye at every girl before deciding she is worth more of your time. What it’s like to make silent demands of girls that you wouldn’t make of your male buddies. What it’s like to keep your options open until she has won you over. What it’s like to screen a girl, to qualify her, to shit test her, to tease her without worrying about giving offense, to refuse to backpedal from any offense given, to have an inner conversation with yourself *while she is talking to you* about whether she meets your ideal, to call her out in a good-natured manner on any of her bullshit, to seriously doubt her attractiveness until proven otherwise, to lean away from her when she is talking, to refrain from laughing if her joke falls flat, to notice her nervousness, to be laconic while she tries to impress you, to be comfortable with silences because it is her job to keep the conversation alive, to act noncommittal, to disagree with her occasionally, to glance furtively around the room every so often, to end conversations first, to happily hold court with other girls joining your conversation…

… in short, to make her dance to your tune.

Truth is, it is the tune she prefers to dance to above all others.

The day will come when you will have completed the merging of your mind with the neural network of womanhood. When that day comes — fully entwined, unable to return to  the one-dimensional, solipsistic man you once were — your game will be second nature. You will have transcended the dictates of crass materialist evolution and the straitjacket of social mores, and like magic the gates of vagina will open to you.

And if some numbnuts tells you it’s gay to think like a woman, you can ask him how many times he got laid talking about football and retrieving drinks for girls.





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  1. First

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  2. Went to a popular restaurant last weekend. B/c of the crowd, they basically sat us european style between two other couples for the hour. Enlightening and painful to be witness to the standard male/female dynamic in an intimate setting.

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  3. It’s a shame that boys are sentenced to be wussies here in America.

    Liberal social programming is difficult to overcome and needs…well, a de-programmer. Exactly what cult-like PUAG sessions by David D and Mystery et al once were.

    roosh wrote recently of an example where he was too hard on some Guatamalan menudo making babe and she recoiled.

    Here, that stuff is gold.

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  4. best post in ages. it summarizes the fundamentals of game even better then the original fundamentals of game article

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  5. on December 22, 2010 at 3:43 pm Ari Hinkelberger

    The Second Chapter of the first verse of the Gospel of Chateau

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  6. I think it is important to distinguish between thinking like women in general and trying to simulate the thoughts of a certain girl, as the latter usually fails and is a waste of time and energy.

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  7. Good refresh of the basics. Just amazes me, as a guy who is successful with women due to adapting game into my life, that so many men can’t notice these simple truths. Always good to remind men that women do not think like you, no matter what they say.

    And anyone that posts “first” is a huge faggot.

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  8. It seems reciprocity is key but most are loathe to practice it to upset the applecart which get’s thrown in their face daily.
    Sometimes throwing it back brings more than just apples I guess. Hard to fathom with everyday logic.

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  9. Roosh’s How It Feel To Be A Hot Girl is required reading.

    http://www.rooshv.com/how-it-feels-like-to-be-a-hot-girl

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  10. “Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes”

    I thought eye contact was important.

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  11. Eye contact is important when you are going in for the kill – the way a predator looks at his prey.

    Not in the “oh I must follow your gaze to show you I am intently listening” sense.

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  12. Spot on article. The vast majority of guys have NO CLUE about relating to women, but hey, the programming runs deep.

    Throw off our bullshit culture already. You’ve got to walk around saying, “f*ck you, bitch culture, you’re WRONG, and I’m RIGHT.

    Most men are candy-asses, sniveling up to women who are 5’s, 6 max. It’s beyond pathetic.

    The best line is this: CALL HER OUT in a good-natured way on ANY of her bullshit.

    Women, by nature, push limits. That’s what they do. They always want to know what they can get away with. Your job is to assure her that she’s not going ANYWHERE real fast with YOU.

    I don’t prefer the word “tease.” I prefer “laying the axe to her bullshit.”

    So when you’re interacting with ANY woman (and manginas to boot BTW), your strategy is straightforward.

    LAY THE AXE TO THEIR BULLSHIT. SUBTLY. WHAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT S-H-E DO MOST OF THE TALKING.

    Not you.

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  13. One reason that I get women like Chic Noir so horny is that I efficiently tell her to detox my buttox, and I make it clear that it is an honor and privilege that she has received. Aoefe also clamors for the perk.

    Pitiable guys like PA place women on pedestals to high that he assigns otherworldly status to all women. The poor man actually thinks women do not poop. Despite every other woman and man here telling him otherwise, he still insists that women do not poop.

    That is just about the most extreme deification of females a man can do.

    But this disorder is common, and prevents men from having meaningful relationships with women as human beings. As roissy says, objectifying and dehumanizing her works. Assuming she is a supernatural being who does not poop is to guarantee a life of virginity.

    Many men suffer from ‘female poop denial’ that PA suffers from. We must help this poor man, and make him come to terms with the reality that women poop, fart, and get diarrhea just like all humans do. We must cure him of these mental blocks, so that he can eventually connect with real women.

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  14. Hello,

    I’m wondering if someone could comment on my situation? I came home for xmas, and went to a xmas party at my friends last Thursday. There was a girl “Amy” there who I got introduced to but didn’t really talk to much during the party. Around midnight, me and 3 (guy) friends wanted to go to a bar. We asked if anyone else wanted to come and Amy came along (she didn’t know any of us 3). At the bar I danced with her, made out with her, and went back to her place. We had sex the next 3 nights and mornings. For the most part, we just met up at the end of the night, though one morning we went out for breakfast too.

    Anyway, she had to go back to her parents for xmas, about 2 hours away. The first night she was gone (Sunday) I sent her a dumb drunken text message at 1am:

    “no amy tonight! :p ”

    She didn’t reply.

    That night (Monday), I was out with friends, including Jen (Amy’s best friend) and some of Amy’s other friends. When the two other guys left the room to smoke, all the girls sort of cornered me and were teasing me about Amy (“sooooooo, where’s your girlfriend?!?”). I told them to fuck off and acted (I think) convincingly aloof. Then the next day (yesteday) Amy texts me, beginning this exchange:

    AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

    ME: Haha ok xmas at your place I guess 😉
    ME: u back in [my-city] b4 xmas?

    AMY: No I’m working. I’m coming back before new years around 29th

    ME: guess u’ll need all that time to recuperate :p

    AMY: And u can use that time to sleep. and listen to my friends make fun of u

    ME: jen gave you your daily [my-name] update?

    AMY: Haha. No. Jen just told me how much they were making fun of u. I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever

    ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then having sex the next 3 nights and mornings is always fun gossip for friends
    ME: I dont care I like the whole situation. I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for

    HER: Haha. Well when you put it like that!

    ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) 😀

    And then that was it. I’ll point out there were long (20 minutes) delays between each message (except the ones without spaces between them) – I was driving on the highway, and she seemed to mimic my slow response time. So it didn’t abruptly end, but still.

    I can see all sorts of mistakes in my text-game, but I figured given what went on between us it didn’t matter. To sort of fuck things up more I accidently texted her “im outside” when I meant to text another friend about an hour ago, she hasn’t responded.

    So, what is the prognosis on my situation? The girl is quite hot (I wouldn’t be stressing if she wasn’t).

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  15. Great post. Your material is definitely shields and swords in the battle of the sexes. This reminds me why when you have a girl, it seems girls flock a bit more to you. Because you are less needy, and a harsher critic. ALOOF.

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  16. Last night a girl asked me “what are we”.

    I respnded:
    “You are the lost sheep and I am the wolf”

    It sounds corny, but suffice to say: intimacy ensued.

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  17. The KEY with women: DON’T TALK TOO MUCH.

    Repeat after me…..”DON’T TALK TOO MUCH.”

    And when you do, make SURE it’s all about laying the axe to her bullshit.

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  18. “Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes”

    “I thought eye contact was important.”

    yeh but too much eye contact implies that you are giving her your undivided attention…let your eyes wonder from time to time.

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  19. Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

    this is like the anti-game to “bring the movies.”

    Are you sure you didn’t hear a loud crack after you sent that text cause that cooter must’ve snapped closed at mach 3! Srsly, you went from new to needy to the dreaded weird in a few texts.

    Good luck.

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  20. And here’s the science:

    “Results for the uncertain condition, however, were consistent with research on the pleasures of uncertainty. Participants in the uncertain condition were most attracted to the men–even more attracted than were participants who were told that the men liked them a lot. Uncertain participants reported thinking about the men the most, and this increased their attraction toward the men.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21169522

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  21. FF is real easy, dont talk to the broad. EVER. she will fall in love with you

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  22. Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes, Constant smiling, Telling long-winded stories.

    This is in contradiction about some advice i have heard that you have to be social, playful and cheerful, does this mean that you don’t have to appear like too try hard? otherwise i don’t get it.

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  23. Okay, fine. Be aloof. So, Sensei, just how is the would-be alpha male supposed to get the attention of a girl he’s ignoring?

    You don’t usually seem to go in for womanish internally-contradictory fortune-cookie koans like “to achieve greatness just be yourself,” but this “act indifferent” stuff seems to lean that way…

    Suppose the hypothetical gentleman, trying diligently to claw his way out of betatude, espies a desirable woman… what should he do? If he’s neither leading a posse of obvious bodyguards, agents, groupies, and supplicants, nor willing to set his own hair on fire, ignoring his prospect seems unlikely to spark her interest…

    Indeed, your humble correspondent has ignored thousands of woman without causing wet panties in a single one!

    Please advise. Really.

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  24. Roissy’s list: Been guilty of most of these offences.

    Funny thing is when a man has a girlfriend, he often is calmer and more relaxed with women and he avoids all these crappy beta mannerisms. In turn , women find us more attractive. But, if you are a man of honour, you can’t cash in on all this new female attention.

    So getting an attractive girlfriend boosts your
    stock with other women. Shows how strange women are

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  25. absolute gold again.

    I smile lots at work {nightclub} girls love it.
    Guess your only allowed to smile lots if your hot. girls wanna see that shit.
    To me, smiling, is being aloof by enjoying the moment.

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  26. Roissy, your bullet points are all fine & good…

    However, if the bread & butter of male society is this bad; then you are essentially theorizing on the breast stroke to the drowning.

    I have always said, game………. is a numbers game.

    If you have 100 at-bats a year you will fuck ~5 Women.

    If you have 10 at bats you will fuck .5 = none (failure bias)

    With you average guy going out 1x/wk thats 50 @ bats; and thats a very generous assumption; esp. since most guys wall-flower are watch the game or play pool, etc on most nights out = 15-20 @ bats (not counting dogs)

    Solution: Internet Dating

    I dated 117 women this year and fucked 5, >8, <28.

    None were GFs; spent <$50 on most; and lasted form 24hrs to 5 mos.

    My profile has 10,000 views on it; which makes sense as I sent 500-1000 emails per/mo.

    I ma now at the point were I opening ask chix for bikini pics; to screen the stealth, old-pics, chunks. I turned down over six chix that were 8+ just based on their pseudo dis-respect/flakes, b/c you wont last long in online dating if you allow this behavior.

    I sent an email for drinks to 4 girls tonight (yesterday); 1 played for time; 2 confirmed (1 flaked today) and 1 is now Fri.

    Not sure why you dont include, online dating in game. Its metric rich, pinpoint age, beauty, etc. and raises one "N sample" exponentially v. any other venue.

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  27. Zorkmid… just be an asshole.

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  28. @FF, you have it backwards. If you weren’t stressing, she would be all over you, especially if she is hot. The only text you sent that wasn’t a mistake was the one that was. Other than that you talk too much.

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  29. She replied everything looks ok.

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  30. (I’m obviously a nervous wreck, hah!)

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  31. FF,

    You fell through the ice here: “ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then…”

    Why? Because when she invited you on to that thin ice with: “I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever.” you leapt down onto it, crashed through and took her hopes and dreams down with you into the icy, gina-locked sea of girls on pedestals.

    Rather than rhapsodising about the wonders of her natural (and therefore un-earned) attributes and endowments, you might instead have alluded softly to the hotness, real or imaginary if need be, of your supposed tormentor – e.g., “That Jen. She can make fun of me with those big, warm blue eyes any day of the week. Except Sundays and Wednesdays.”

    Amy: “And what’s so special about Sundays and Wednesdays?”

    You: “Those days are reserved for…well, it’s complicated. Meet me at_ _ _ _ _ 7:00 on the 29th”

    The 29th being a Wednesday, naturally.

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  32. FF –

    That was painful. Stop texting her until she gets back.

    In other words, don’t text her until there is a purpose for it >>>>>> When we gonna meet up and fuck?

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  33. on December 22, 2010 at 6:45 pm Vincent Ignatius

    I always tell men to judge girls and just posted about this.

    I saw this same sort of shit at a house party I went to last week. None of the men had any game.

    A bunch of guys talking to each other. One hot Indian chick that was giving the non-verbal equivalent of “I need dick”. Three cute Colombian girls who no man had the balls to talk to except me. I’m trying to teach my roommate game, but he failed to approach the set after I opened them up. One of the girls eye fucked me before I even approached, and her friends were practically throwing her at me during the conversation. I went home with the same girl I showed up with, the hottest girl at the party.

    My money says the only other guys who got laid that night were the ones who brought their girlfriends and the host of the party.

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  34. Silver Fox… that is cutting edge shit right there.

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  35. FF, you know you’re doing bad when I remember you as being that guy who texts “nite nite” to a chick. Fuck.

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  36. God, FF’s text game is horrifying.

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  37. Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

    Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

    Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

    Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

    Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks!

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  38. Great blog post and very timely.

    A couple of observations and insights.

    It’s easy to slip into “logic” mode and play it straight. When I catch myself doing this I can see the difference between the girl going along with whatever I’m saying and being in zombie mode….to her actually engaging when I start teasing her by gaming.

    Also, a little game goes a long way. As I’ve observed and posted previously, my problem is often “over-gaming”.

    But recently I’ve done some calibration and observation. A little game: cocky funny/neg, pull-back, kino, disappear. That has a longer lasting impact if I don’t see the girl.

    If I run into the target a few weeks later, she will invariably start with “Wow, haven’t seen you for a long time….”–a good IOI that she’s been thinking about me.

    The second observation in thinking like a chick is that they will often give IOI’s and then when you think it’s “over” as in you’re there, you’re gonna bang her— as opposed to being “on”—that she expects you to continue gaming—you lose.

    A few posters here have made the point “Always Be Gaming”…

    The ‘Talking too much” part has to be calibrated. I find that unless you do a lot of the talking at the early stage you may not be able to generate the “comfort”.

    The problem is not knowing when to shut up. That’s “Talking too much”….

    “Asking too many questions”—yup. You’ve got to be able to gauge the IOI’s. If I find myself asking too many questions and getting grunts and one-word answers, I either switch to a neg/cocky-funny, or kino.

    If that doesn’t work, I pull back.

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  39. In short: “Ooh, Skittles… if I keep f*cking him, it might get better!”

    Keep ’em coming back for more!

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  40. I have never laughed so goddamn hard at anyone’s text game before. FF, you need to dive headfirst into this site’s archives.

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  41. Great post.

    Mystery is a great example of a guy who has a tremendous amount of empathy for both men and women. I remember watching a video where he was training a new coach, and when the coach said something about bitch shields, Mystery corrected him, calling them “protection shields”. He wasn’t doing it to be PC or to avoid offending women (there were none present) – rather, he was working through the problem in real time by imagining why a woman might behave like a bitch when a man first approaches her.

    It sounds strange, but this blog has made me less of a misogynist. I have come to view women as elegant machines — machines for using, to be sure — that mostly do a damned good job of doing what they were designed to do. As I get more comfortable and consistent at either aggressively torquing their levers or gently greasing their gears at just the right moments, my appreciation only deepens.

    As with machines, my love of women tends to be more general than specific. Upgrades are always welcome.

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  42. I can see all sorts of mistakes in my text-game, but I figured given what went on between us it didn’t matter.

    It ALWAYS matters.

    As an aside, telling her you like her lady parts is difficult without coming across as creepy. Talk about her face, hair, tits, ass, all fine. But don’t mention the pussy itself. They already know you like it.

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  43. @Silver Fox

    What you’ve described isn’t “game” in any practical sense. It’s just brute force and, yes, a numbers game. If you are sending 1000 emails/month, you are bound to get some hits. I’ve met plenty of girls through dating sites, and when the conversation turns to online dating, every single one of them tells me about all the emails she gets along the lines of “hey baby, come over to my house.” Obviously, they do this because at some level, it works. I don’t mean to suggest that your strategy is bad, per se. But it’s not game.

    This has, in fact, been discussed on this forum before. See:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/09/12/online-dating-is-futile/

    To use the baseball analogy, the point of game is to increase your batting percentage, not just your total number of hits. I have no doubt that there are guys who are batting way better in real life than .050.

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  44. @FF

    A couple of interesting points to learn from on this. I’ve made these mistakes too. I’ve since corrected them. The results are more encouraging and positive.

    A few things:

    1) Your texts are way too long. THere’s a lot in this blog about keeping them short.

    2) Don’t use icons :p is lame. The only time I use them is if I’m more familiar and my game is good. At the start it is try-hard.

    “no amy tonight! :p ”

    She didn’t reply.

    Of course…you used an icon and it seems try-hard.

    There’s a great post in here about reviving a cold lead. Try that. I used one to game a girl who was giving me major IOI’s who is from Singapore.

    Me: Boat Quay. Beer. Having. Lah.

    Her; She replied in 2 seconds, prattled on and on about how she missed Singapore, there was a “good English campaign” etc…major IOI. I didn’t reply. We met up a few nights later. It’s on.

    That night (Monday), I was out with friends, including Jen (Amy’s best friend) and some of Amy’s other friends. When the two other guys left the room to smoke, all the girls sort of cornered me and were teasing me about Amy (“sooooooo, where’s your girlfriend?!?”). I told them to fuck off and acted (I think) convincingly aloof. Then the next day (yesteday) Amy texts me, beginning this exchange:

    AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

    ME: Haha ok xmas at your place I guess 😉
    ME: u back in [my-city] b4 xmas? TOO EAGER…

    Where’s the cocky-funny? She’s giving you a shit test with a “meet my parents”…and you reply with “at your place I guess 😉 “—again the smiley.

    Try this next time in response to Meet the Parents..: “Hope dad isn’t ex CIA. It’ll never work out between us.”

    AMY: No I’m working. I’m coming back before new years around 29th

    ME: guess u’ll need all that time to recuperate :p (AGAIN WITH THE SMILEY ICON!!)

    AMY: And u can use that time to sleep. and listen to my friends make fun of u (SHE IS GAMING YOU….)

    ME: jen gave you your daily [my-name] update? (TRY HARD)

    How About: Jen’s always looking out for me… (NAME HER FRIEND AND GET HER THINKING ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT FRIEND)

    AMY: Haha. No. Jen just told me how much they were making fun of u. I can’t imagine whats so funny about banging a hot chick 3 days straight, but whatever (SHE’S REFERRING TO HERSELF AS A HOT CHICK…YOU ARE IN HER FRAME)

    ME: two people with mutual friends meeting and then having sex the next 3 nights and mornings is always fun gossip for friends

    Try to reframe it: Good things come in threes. You did.

    (YOU ARE SOUNDING MORE LIKE HER GIRLFRIEND HERE…STEP BACK, DISAPPEAR…)

    ME: I dont care I like the whole situation. I loved those big perky boobs, firm butt, picture perfect pussy, and cute face…what more could a guy ask for
    DON”T COMPLIMENT HER AND DON’T TELL HER YOU LIKE THE SITUATION…

    HER: Haha. Well when you put it like that! (LOOK AT THE BREVITY OF HER RESPONSES…LEARN FROM THAT)

    ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) 😀
    (TOO TRY HARD…DON”T COMPLIMENT HER)

    Keep it short, funny, mysterious.

    Also make it more edgy…or don’t reply at all.

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  45. FF:
    “ME: Seriously tho! ur pussy rocks! I feel all warm inside thinking of that thing up in my face (among other places) :D”

    Fave bit is “that thing” lol, brilliant.

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  46. Oh wow… FF, all wrong!

    You’ve already done too much damage, onto the next! Game over, try again.

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  47. Ok guys here’s one for you. I’m a regular at this restaurant where a descent looking gal works and we’ve been bantering back and forth for a while now. She’s the typical college chick who has a boyfriend that’s in a band of all things.

    Anyway I play Mr Super Masculinity with her, aloof, ignore her plenty by watching the TV and when I do talk to her, she’s attentive and her body language is focused completely on me. And example of out interactions is one time I was setting my watch and she came by and asked if i was ready to order and my reply was no and when I was, I’ll throw something at her to get her attention. Bear in mind she isn’t used to someone (and a stranger for the most part) saying those things to her there.

    This past Sunday though she surprised the hell out of me when she asked if she’s going to see me before Christmas but that wasn’t what shocked me. My response was maybe and then she blurted out only if she deserves it. Then I got all serious with her and told her that I like her because she gets it and then I left. My plans mean I probably won’t see her til after the New Year again yet neither would I go in and see her before Christmas anyway.

    The sexual tension is there BTW.

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  48. ff don’t forget. She texts u twice u text once. Always make sure you aren’t leaving the last msg either.

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  49. well everyone makes mistakes . Its the only way we learn. Pretty sure when Roissy was a young padawan he was a beta tryhard . We have all been beta one time in our lives.

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  50. FF, nothing to add to what the other commenters said…that last text really sunk your leaky ship.

    Just wanted to chime in that if you were texting all that while driving on the highway, you are a real asshole, so maybe asshole game will work better for you.

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  51. Was at a park once. Made a point of projecting extremely masculine posture. Didn’t say a word. Just stood with my back straight, chest out, chin up, and gazed around confidently. Underage girls (oxymoron IMHO) started drifting towards me. No reason. Just little planetary bodies circling a new star. Even had one girl wearing a bikini walking her black French poodle walk clear across a field and came up to me. She said her “dog” wanted to come over. Extreme masculinity works like a magnet on ANY female. The vagina is ageless.

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  52. @FF

    The last thing a bitch wants is to hear you talk about her pussy. Unless you’re married or you’re playing a online bitch you have no intention of fucking, text laconically. This Amy is proud if herself for those three days. You just gave her every reason to vanish and find a new moron to pet her natural whore urges.

    Dude. Fuck line you don’t care, even if you do. Bitches hate not being the center of attention and they’ll do crazy shit to be the center.

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  53. on December 22, 2010 at 11:06 pm AnaerobicApocalypse

    note to ed:
    ostensibly funny (not unfunny) female jokes.

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  54. Eugene

    And here’s the science:

    “Results for the uncertain condition, however, were consistent with research on the pleasures of uncertainty. Participants in the uncertain condition were most attracted to the men–even more attracted than were participants who were told that the men liked them a lot. Uncertain participants reported thinking about the men the most, and this increased their attraction toward the men.”

    Thats a lovely bit description of one of the principles behind keeping your woman jealous.

    Not only do you want her to see that other woman value you, you want her to see that you are tenuous in your denial to women of higher value than her.

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  55. Pro

    Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes, Constant smiling, Telling long-winded stories.

    This is in contradiction about some advice i have heard that you have to be social, playful and cheerful, does this mean that you don’t have to appear like too try hard? otherwise i don’t get it.

    If a blind man grabs an elephant by the trunk, he’ll explain the elephant differently than the blind man who grabs it by the leg.

    Aloof is a main principle of amused mastery. But so is being playful and cheerful.

    Some people may hear the word aloof, and have it include the gestalt of the full elephant. Like you, when I hear the word, it occludes much of the elephant.

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  56. Suppose the hypothetical gentleman, trying diligently to claw his way out of betatude, espies a desirable woman… what should he do? If he’s neither leading a posse of obvious bodyguards, agents, groupies, and supplicants, nor willing to set his own hair on fire, ignoring his prospect seems unlikely to spark her interest…

    Consider aloof one ingredient in your sweet and sour sauce. Consider it the gin in your tonic.

    You can’t JUST be aloof.

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  57. Sargon

    But, if you are a man of honour, you can’t cash in on all this new female attention.

    Not really. If you go into a relationship throwing around promises of fidelity, then yes, you hand-cuff yourself to your promises.

    It’s not honorable to hand cuff yourself. There is nothing dishonorable in non-monogamy.

    It might be dishonorable to lie or cause unwarranted pain or to break a mutually agreed upon trust. But fucking around while in love with a primary can be perfectly honorable.

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  58. Silver Fox

    I dated 117 women this year and fucked 5, >8, <28.

    I don’t understand what “5, >8, <28" means. But a conversion of 5 out of 117 for dates that you meet in real life seems quite low.

    Maybe it's because I'm a westerner in Asia, or maybe dumb luck, but my conversion for online dating was 6 out of 8 lately. But then again, I date out of my league, so I'm not sure how much my location advantage has to do with it. Some, but not all.

    I wonder what are poor, good, and excellent conversion rates. Any ideas people?

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  59. WP

    FF –

    That was painful. Stop texting her until she gets back.

    In other words, don’t text her until there is a purpose for it >>>>>> When we gonna meet up and fuck?

    I wouldn’t be able to offer any critique of the FF posts. Cause I don’t know the girl. Text is taylor made.

    But for me, my game seems to rely on my presence, so I try to keep all verbal messages face to face. I keep my text messages painfully short. Achingly short. I wait ages to reply, and then reply in only the curtest tones.

    And then when she sees me the contrast is huge, as I’m all over her.

    It must be that my verbal and non-verbal cues are at odds, because relying on verbal alone rarely is seductive for me. I need to say asshole things with my mouth, while she warms to my attractive body language.

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  60. @Walawala,

    Your advice is good here. I like it.

    The texts remind me of being in China, lah.

    What’s awesome about game is that when you apply it with a few other advantages – interesting if not money-rich job, aloof demeanor, charm, non-local advantage (ie, outside the US), they just drop like flies and you can come out and do shit like this:

    Meet girl for first time. 4 hours later, get invited to her house. Spend the night. Two nights later, meet up again, take home a co-worker of hers. Repeat.

    And *NEVER* have them be angry at you or upset. In fact, have them each individually invite you to a love hotel the next week.

    Try pulling that shit in NYC or DC without game and without being super good-looking.

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  61. And on another note:

    http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/12/22/adopting-a-feminist-proposal-for-women-in-the-military/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheSpearhead+%28The+Spearhead%29

    My brother is in the military. He says the same thing. It’s an open secret that in the army, at least, the women fuck virtually everything that moves; they go through boyfriends like most people breathe. And they never, ever pull their weight.

    He says the women admit this, too: That in full-on combat situations, and in general usefulness, women are distracting and are usually in need of help. But they love being able to get around and they tend to be high-T women who fuck like rabbits, and fuck hot men all the time. Basically, extremely bad news for the military.

    All of the stereotypes in the public mind are wrong, according to him – and feminists are absolutely, dead wrong. The actual result in the real world once again doesn’t even begin to match what feminists expected to happen. The women just become another burden, something to be protected, and they end up being a sexual complication, especially when they run through men like toilet paper.

    And, according to him, … they do.

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  62. “” Remember the fundamentals of game recently discussed here at the Chateau:

    1.Be aloof. (Amused mastery)
    2.Don’t be insecure. (Irrational self-confidence)
    3.Dehumanize and objectify women. (Do not put any pussy on a pedestal)
    Re-read those fundamentals out loud. Taken together, what are they really saying?

    “I am the prize. I do not seek the approval of any woman. She will, instead, want to seek my approval.”

    Or, in simpler caveman language:

    “She chases me.” “”

    I agree with this, with one qualification.

    For it to work , you have to be or at least be percieved to be of equal or higher “value” than the woman.

    If you value is beneath hers or is percieved to be beneath hers then you may as well be selling snow to eskimos.

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  63. I agree with this, with one qualification.

    For it to work , you have to be or at least be percieved to be of equal or higher “value” than the woman.

    Interesting point, Mr. C.

    And I’ve always wondered why people don’t realize that in all sales efforts, location is the key consideration.

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  64. Here’s my theory on why this stuff works so well on women. Women have a biological imperative to keep a man around, right? Looks, while useful at first, always fade, and women know this, consciously and instinctively. That’s why they go for emotional bonds in relationships.

    When you neg a woman, ignore her, shit test her, you’re subliminally telling her, “The fact that you’re beautiful and female is not enough. You’re going to have to win me over with your actions.” I.e. you’re telling her that her personality will be the deciding factor. She loves this, because she knows on some level her personality is going to last longer than her looks.

    The funny thing is that PUAs actually care less about a girl’s personality than the average dude. Game is a series of short-cuts that help you convince a girl you care more about how she acts than how she looks, even when you don’t. I’m convinced of this because I know some guys who genuinely care more about personality than looks, and bizarrely they seem to have pretty good luck with women.

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  65. Gorb

    Meet girl for first time. 4 hours later, get invited to her house. Spend the night. Two nights later, meet up again, take home a co-worker of hers. Repeat.

    Add to that your comment about your super hot and all around attractive girlfriend allowing you to have flings, and yes, there should be an award for that.

    But you’ve already received it.

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  66. @xsplat

    Add to that your comment about your super hot and all around attractive girlfriend allowing you to have flings, and yes, there should be an award for that.

    But you’ve already received it.

    Well, it ain’t all that simple, and you’ve got to dance the dance of shame from time to time, but so long as your feet are limber, you don’t look like a complete idiot.

    My only concern is keeping the reward in the rewarding zone. It smells like it might go into the Work zone awfully soon. There are two possible directions this can go. Into the memory slot, in which case it’s sad reflections on my mistakes and where I went wrong, or in the Work Constantly To Keep This Up Endlessly, in which case I need a lot of raw ginseng or something because I’ve just never had to do that before. How long can any guy keep this going? Where do they teach game for that? How long until it just starts to wear?

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  67. Gorbachev says: “It’s an open secret that in the army, at least, the women fuck virtually everything that moves; they go through boyfriends like most people breathe. And they never, ever pull their weight.”

    ‘Tis true. A cute 5’0’ wench pull any weight at all?… not bloody likely, but she’s tight and can suck a golf ball through a garden hose (props to Full Metal Jacket)!

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  68. Wow, great post.

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  69. What do you get your high maintenance gf for xmas ?
    Roissy is gonna get a kick out of this one.

    A DC Blogger found the xmas list of a materialistic status whore on the train after it fell from her bf’s papers. It also has her bf’s handwritten notes at his shock at her crass attempt to get him to buy her all kinds of shit. LOL.

    http://www.velvetindupont.com/2010/12/20/well-tonight-thank-god-its-them-instead-of-you/

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  70. If you guys just want to look at the list without commentary here it is in all it’s glory. By the way, the list has 2 parts !
    LOLZ. Fucking ridiculous

    Part 1

    Part 2

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  71. “Laser-like focus of his eyes on her eyes.”

    Disagree with this one. always better to err on the side or too much eye contact than less. Also, in reality very few men do look girls straight in the eye, particularly when they first initiate conversation. When I first learning game, I forced myself to make strong eye contact at the outset and I was blown away by how powerful that simple mechanism could be.

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  72. on December 23, 2010 at 6:50 am lover of women

    CAN’T WRITE ONE BETTER ..hall of fame ..the whole deal in a simple well laid out article..V NICE..

    I’d like to add another thought..as I become a better man ..I do not SEDUCE women..as in “lead them astray”..but them spending time with me ..in any capacity leads them back..to their own best selves…

    if this includes a dynamic sexual relationship ..as part of the overall relationship ..fine..but to USE women in the Machievellian sense..is an immature use of the learning of the power in being a man.. of owning your own life ..in every sense..

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  73. Some of you guys don’t get it. There’s a difference between being an alpha looking into a chicks eyes, with intent to fuck her….. and the beta looking into her eyes seeking approval….

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  74. Re: Silver Fox

    The numbers game.

    Reminds me of advice on getting women in the army during WW II (“Catch 22”).Pardon the paraphasing, but:

    “One way is to wine and dine her, and persuade her back to your place. The 2nd is to just walk up to her and say,” Hey, Honey. Let’s go tear us off a piece.”

    “The 2nd method, while crude, is statistically almost as good.”

    It was a great book.

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  75. Holding your beer by your side and low is the shit Roissy.

    Cheers man

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  76. Nice one Gramps

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  77. This is solid freaking gold. Awesome.

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  78. The basics of game are worth repeating as its the basics that everyone forgets.

    Aloofness and negging are remarkably easy.

    Guys very often discover those by accident when they are genuinely pissed off or irritated by a particular woman or just women in general.

    Years ago, I was waiting for a late night bus home (very beta, I know) with a collection of random strangers, mostly male.

    Enter a very young, very pretty, somewhat intoxicated chick of about 18 on her own. She brandishes a cigarette and asks if anyone has a light. Yeah right. No lighter. Whatever.

    Suddenly, about four big flames appear out of nowhere and a collection of fawning betas jostle to light her cigarette and grovel at her feet.

    As I listened to music on headphones, I caught sight of this revolting spectacle out of the corner of my eye and pretended not to notice, but my face must have betrayed genuine disgust and contempt.

    The bus arrived, we all got on board, and I chose a seat close to the back of this nearly empty bus.

    Guess where Miss Airhead sat?

    Directly opposite me. Apropos of nothing, she asks me about nightclubs in the local area. I pulled a face like she had just farted. I told her that I hated nightclubs and that I’d rather read a book.

    Then she asks me what kind of books I like. Lather, rinse, repeat. Wave after wave of bullshit question thrown in my direction and swatted aside with contempt.

    Of course what she really wanted to ask me was: “How come you’re not kissing my sweet arse like every other man on the planet?”

    My contempt for this pretty idiot increased to the point where I came very close to telling her to fuck off and leave me alone.

    Before it got that far, the bus arrived at my stop and I got off.

    Bear in mind that I wasn’t gaming this girl at all. I knew absolutely nothing about game at the time.

    I still have only half a game. I can do aloof, but “playful” is a total mystery to me.

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  79. on December 23, 2010 at 9:58 am almost 40 year old virgin

    I´m so fucking glad I didn´t read this blog ten years ago, when there was actually still enough drive in me to want to endure the constant “companionship” of a female.

    Nietsches “stare into the abyss ..” comes to mind.
    I´m incredibly amused to see how you guys turn into “dickgirls” and even start feeling superior about it. Truly becoming the handmaidens of the feminist revolution.

    Congratz on them oh so important notches.

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  80. We only chase what runs away from us

    There is a definite distinction between “relating” to women and “identifying” with women.

    Relating is looking under the hood and seeing how the engine operates, then tuning that engine based on what it’s capable of and the condition it’s in to better perform for the driver. Is she a single mommy? A divorcee cougar looking for sex after working off all that married fat at the gym? Is she a naive 22 y.o. just entering college? Is she a 29 y.o. never-married looking to lock down Mr. Commitment before she hits the Wall? What are her conditions, what are her imperatives, what are her prerequisites for intimacy and their priority order for her phase of life at that moment? This is the essence of Relating to women – understanding their conditions and then manipulating those circumstances to better perform for you.

    Identifying with women is what most betas perceive is relating with women. They mold, or at least attempt to mold their personalities to better accommodate “what a woman wants.” This is what the chumps in your example were attempting. Identifying is an understood, automatic abdication of frame to a woman to the point that a man will literally alter his personality to better fit what he perceives is her ideal, her ‘template’. In identification, the driver is forced to learn to handle what the car gives him. Bad steering, engine not idling right? Just go with it and learn to love it, it’s your fault for expecting too much from the car.

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  81. “Now none of these men were socialy awkward losers. They were all normal men with well-rounded lives.”

    Really? I’d have guessed they would be losers who were forced from playing WoW for a night and meet women by their parents if it weren’t for that line.

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  82. He enters the door and my heart skips a beat. I am still and comfortable sitting on one end of the sofa just waiting. I say, “hi” with a big smile. He nods and sits beside me on the other side of the sofa. His posture is open and confident ,but not cocky and aloof. He is there, present. I feel slightly nervous. I sense his calmness which allows me to start the convo. We chat so ever easily. The convo flows without pressure. Silences are scattered about, but just being with him feels right. He listens attentively and spoke at ease. He does not try to move too close to me. I am comfortable with the space. I know without hesitation I want to be with him. It is the ease, the comfort; non threatening air between us; his attentiveness and quiet ways; his confidence; His lack of bravado; his quiet confidence and so much more……

    That was the first time I spent time with him and we’ve been together since.

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  83. FF –

    1. Do not tell a woman how great her pussy feels unless you are at that moment INSIDE her.
    2. Always follow the jumbotron rule

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  84. on December 23, 2010 at 11:04 am DevastatinglyFemale

    i find this blog very insightful and helpful for women, actually. i am definitely with an alpha 😀 it’s tough and delicious!

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  85. Aryan

    well everyone makes mistakes . Its the only way we learn. Pretty sure when Roissy was a young padawan he was a beta tryhard .

    Do not presume having the once traditional upbringing of being polite and civil ala John Wayne is automatic BETA.

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  86. lemme guess: “aryan” trips the PC modbox, but black panther won’t

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  87. His lack of urgency speaks volume with respect to his confidence and impulse control. He is patient and patience is like gold, especially in this age is microwave, and fast food. Patience says “I am confident I will get you in time.”. My heart is smiling……hehehe!!

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  88. Biggest turn offs :

    Cockiness
    Indifference
    Impulsiveness
    Narrow mindedness
    Impatience

    He possesses non of the above.

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  89. Eye contact is essential.

    Women are masters at ulteriority and plausible deniability…what they are talking about is usually the least important thing you should be taking notice of. What are they doing? Where is she choosing to locate herself in relation to you? Sure, she’s talking about christmas plans, but is she on auto-pilot, looking about as if pre-occupied with other things and herself, or is she locked onto you with solid eye contact? Is she overly confident, completely at ease entertaining you and herself, or is she betraying hints of self-consciensciousness?

    I think the editor is probably criticizing eye contact that is paired with leaning in, constant nodding with cheesedick smile. And you should take breaks and look away, but when you do look at her, you need to watch her eyes and fearlessly look straight into hers.

    If you can settle down and be open to receiving her signals, in my experience, women will tell you loud and clear that they are interested in you without saying a word.

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  90. Be Excellent

    Be Desireless

    Be GONE

    Be the Steve!

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  91. no wonder
    you hate
    me

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  92. Firepower,
    You’re one of the nicest one here. How can I hate you. (smiling)

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  93. if game got more attention with resulting behaviour vis à vis the ladies, the latter would adapt and you’d be out of game

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  94. Poetically speaking…you give me warmth in this sometimes hostile blog environment.

    After all, you did take the time to answer my call for help in another post…remember?

    I’d Never forget a good deed. (pouty, puckered, kissy lips).

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  95. what,

    stop.

    thank you.

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  96. ‘What’
    you say you are turned off by cocky, indifferent guys, in an obvious attempt to refute all the wisdom poured out of this site.

    the question is – what do you look like? Are you the type of hot young woman that our readers would even bother approaching at a bar?

    didn’t think so.

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  97. it’s always the girls who say they don’t like cocky assholes who have slept with the highest number of them

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  98. what, how long have you been with this guy?

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  99. “you say you are turned off by cocky, indifferent guys, in an obvious attempt to refute all the wisdom poured out of this site.”

    David Collard had a good post on his blog a while back, arguing that women never tell the truth to men about what really turns them on, because they expect men to already know those things. That knowledge demonstrates experience, i.e. preselection. This is how women police the hierarchy — in other words, how they make sure only the “real” alphas get to mate.

    http://davidcollard.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/women-policing-the-hierarchy/

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  100. Alpha Cat

    Some of you guys don’t get it. There’s a difference between being an alpha looking into a chicks eyes, with intent to fuck her….. and the beta looking into her eyes seeking approval….
    ======================
    That says it all right there.

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  101. Yet again many betas commenting. Many betas still working on getting their alpha nature set in stone…keep conquering those fears and creating your own frame. I’ve learned a ton from reading in the past few weeks and having conversation with a friend who studies game as well. Good to talk about it to analyze conversation and texts…speaking of texts. If you keep it fun and keep your emotions out of it (which is something betas cannot do) then you’ll have the freedom to try things that are advised on this site, especially in text game. Eye contact is not as important as confidence. If your eye contact shows you have no confidence (seeking approval) then you’re pegged not only by the woman you are attempting to game, but the real guys who know what they are doing. You are a beta if you seek approval…period. Look its good to have affirmations in life and every person needs them to some extent, but your getting them from woman should be in the form of their giving you blow jobs, buying you drinks, IOI’s, getting the poon. Having them chase you is the ultimate affirmation of the alpha…it reaffirms everything when they give you everything. When they give you everything, you are in control, dominant, desired. Sounds simple but it isn’t until you read up, get over your ego, get over the religious frame, judgmental frame, conditioned frames of your parents and friends who disagree with what you are doing. This isn’t about right and wrong, its about living freely…pulling fine women when you yourself may not be the best specimen. I rate myself a good 7 and can increase that to probably 8.5 if I got in great shape. I have alot of qualities that give me inherit value but confidence alone can put me at about an 8 and my negging and IOD’s can cause fluctuation in those numbers for my betterment. If you talk to much, find guys to talk to about all this…make her smile and maker her laugh and its yours to lose. If you’re natural and fun…most women will give you the time for you to work the game. Unless she’s a bonified cunt of course. Those aren’t worthy of my attention.

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  102. @Marcus
    It sounds strange, but Roissy’s writing has made me less of a misogynist. I have come to view women as elegant machines — machines for using, to be sure — that mostly do a damned good job of doing what they were designed to do. As I get more comfortable and consistent at either aggressively torquing their levers or gently greasing their gears at just the right moments, my appreciation only deepens.

    As with machines, my love of women tends to be more general than specific. Upgrades are always welcome.

    This is precisely what happened to me. I love women. As a category. Now that I know how and why they behave, I can appreciate them on their own terms.

    But, of course, the appreciation is … more in the general than in the specific.

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  103. @JohnnyDrama
    ‘What’
    “you say you are turned off by cocky, indifferent guys, in an obvious attempt to refute all the wisdom poured out of this site.
    the question is – what do you look like? Are you the type of hot young woman that our readers would even bother approaching at a bar?
    didn’t think so.”

    No, wasn’t trying to refute the wisdom here, just stating my own personal point of view. I’m sure there are girls out there who enjoy cocky, indifferent, impulsive, impatient type of guys. Not me.

    What do I look like? I’m Asian, actually half and been told I’m an 8..whatever.

    Sorry, I don’t go to bars.

    You don’t have to agree with anything I say. It’s ok, only stating my point of view.

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  104. Internet Dating

    I think it is at best a supplement for traditional gaming. I use it, but put in a very minimal investment, probably no more than a total of two hours a week. I can average 5-7 women that go somewhere a month. If you use a site like eharmony or chemistry you tend to get better “matches” since they take into account personality. Other than that, working a dating website as your primary gaming platform is a waste of time. And, yeah, if you spend every second of every day on your laptop or phone emailing every woman on a website the Rule of Large Numbers would dictate that you will get at least a few bites.

    Text Message Game

    I don’t know why guys text message nonsense so much. I only use it as a tool to get them in person. I don’t respond to stupid chick questions they send and never use it as a substitution for actual conversation. A man has better things to do than pound away on a tiny keyboard on his phone all day long.

    The whole point of game is to get them in person and get them into bed. Texting is the opposite of that. Keep it short to something like:

    Me: You are meeting me for drinks this week.
    Her: Really….well Thursday works
    Me: Good meet me at XXXX at X and wear something red
    Her: Hehe can’t wait

    Never ask women questions when texting. That just ensures a long drawn out text conversation. It’s annoying and unnecessary. Just tell them what you are doing then do it.

    The only time I might depart from this rule will be in a few days when I simply send “Merry Christmas” to the 3 girls I am seeing that I won’t be with.

    On Watching Trainwreck Dates

    Just saw one last night. I was out with a girl I have been banging at a quaint restaurant that wasn’t too busy. There was a couple close by and I could overhear parts of their conversation. Both were average looking and she was either in to him or figured this was as good as it was going to get for a Christmas season fuck. But, the guy had absolutely no game. He was awkward, fidgeted about, couldn’t hold conversation. She kept on trying to maintain some conversation, but soon threw in the towel. All the guy needed was some game basics and he could have probably gotten laid. Instead I saw them part way in front of the restaurant with a wave to each other. I wanted to chase down the guy and at least give him a business card with the link to this site.

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  105. society trains men to be [effeminate] beta
    Beta men are easy to control
    We all have inner beta we are trying to kill.
    If we didn’t we wouldn’t be on this site
    That’s why game was invented, to combat elite social engineering [feminism].
    Its a man’s world. Men with game rule the world.
    We control femicunts with ease.

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  106. @FF

    AMY: Jen says im like your GF now. Thats really great. I can’t wait for you to meet my parents! 🙂

    ME : Indeed my darling. I can’t wait to tell them how you dodged washing my dishes !!!

    @ Roissy

    My brother exhibits most of these traits you listed. This during a visit to our local bar. There were two beautiful bar-girls working there.

    While my brother tried the the well-mannered gentleman thingy, I tried to be as disruptive as possible.

    One asked me directly whether I had any family in her home state, and all I said is : ” I know I gotta impress ya by searching for some family over there … but I’m gonna finish my beer first !!! ”

    She willfully ignored me when I tried to initiate conversation, so I amused myself by flirting with the other bar-girl … It was so much fun talking with this other girl : When my beer was finished I said in an ironic monotone :

    ” S-deary , I have got to go. I’m gonna miss ya ”

    She then said :

    “I’m gonna miss you too.”

    Upon which I replied :

    ” Then come and kiss me. ”

    It’s a funny thing when a girls tries her best not to look at you, suppress her laughter, fails at it, and then tells you to bugger-off in mock-seriousness.

    Meanwhile the other bar girl, my real interest, waltzes in, and on the spur of the moment I just say to her :

    “J-deary, I am crazy about your hair, and ONLY your hair”

    My beloved target runs out, and I laugh it off with S-deary. I tell S-deary that I’d better leave by another exit, ’cause she gonna hit me.

    S-deary says no, and J-deary walks back in.

    I end up standing close to her while she is facing S-deary behind the bar. She never even looked at me. And she says :

    “I need a drink !!! ”

    And all I could say was good-bye and walk out.

    Roissy, I know I buggered up here somewhere, so if you or anybody else can point it out, I would appreciate it.

    I don’t know what to say to J-deary when I see her again.

    I need some pointers there as well.

    And I must admit that this “game” thingy on women is quite fascinating … in fact it is VERY fascinating …

    Yours sincerely.

    Marellus.

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  107. Yes, text is really dangerous for game, big downside and little upside.

    Email is better, chat is better, and regular phone conversations are better, for complementary reasons.

    Use text for logistics or for short messages; even a longer text message is OK as long as it doesn’t turn into a conversation.

    If you are going to have a conversation, you need either the emotional cues and exposure you get from hearing her voice, or the high bandwidth and conversational “pace” you can get from chat (from a platform where you can type quickly). With text the messages are too disjointed to create a “flow”you can use, yet too immediate for you to create magic with your writing skills, and she can “hide” too easily and avoid dealing with what you need her to respond to.

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  108. Yes, text is really dangerous for game, big downside and little upside.

    Disagree.

    Good text game has huge upside. Used well, it’s like a little hand-held slot machine for her. Extremely curt and randomly timed (sometimes nonexistent) replies get her addicted to trying to get a bigger payout.

    You can build tension, promote the right polarity (she emotes, giggles, gushes, and rambles while you grunt and crudely escalate), and let her revel in the romanticism of the written word.

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  109. Bullshit. Never happened.

    Liar.

    [Editor: I’m afraid it did champ. You may now remove that industrial grade buttplug from your anus.]

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  110. We all have inner beta we are trying to kill.
    If we didn’t we wouldn’t be on this site

    Not quite. There does come a time when you internalize the feeling of being king of your castle and master of your woman, and when you are unable to settle for less. There comes a time when you feel like the boss, act like the boss, and are taken as the boss.

    But understanding and technique can always improve.

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  111. I learn’t the hard way.
    Texting gone wrong is the fast-track to unwanted celibacy.

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  112. “”Identifying with women is what most betas perceive is relating with women.
    They mold, or at least attempt to mold their personalities to better accommodate “what a woman wants.”
    This is what the chumps in your example were attempting. Identifying is an understood, automatic abdication of frame to a woman to the point that a man will literally alter his personality to better fit what he perceives is her ideal, her ‘template’.
    In identification, the driver is forced to learn to handle what the car gives him. Bad steering, engine not idling right? Just go with it and learn to love it, it’s your fault for expecting too much from the car. “”

    Fuck yes ; the other way that many guys fuck up and come across as beta is looking for commonalities with the chick in a misguided attempt at creating comfort or getting her to like you.

    e.g.

    Do you (she) like x y z ?

    Ohh cool , because I like x y z too !

    One thing I have come to realise.

    If and when you find yourself asking the chick more questions than she is asking you or she is asking you hardly any questions … you are nearly always on the slippery slide to not fucking her.

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  113. what is meant by hindbrain? You mean like the cerebellum? The cerebellum is mostly used for controlling muscle activity. I don’t think it holds any deep unconscious secrets or anything like that.

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  114. My text game for tonight:

    Me: Hey, Merry Xmas!
    Girl 1: Same to u

    (bleh, she don’t fucking care, even though she stated she wants to hang out with me soon. Next time I do catch up, she’s gonna see the careless asshole come about)

    Me: Hey! Merry Xmas!
    Girl 2: Thank you! Merry Christmas too!

    (dang, this girl is legit. She’s worth my time and attention. Her response alone made me smile, so I’ll get her out sometime)

    Me: Hey! Merry Xmas!
    Girl 3: (no response)

    (fuck her, she’s done. deleted)

    Me: Hey! Merry Xmas!
    Girl 4: Same to you! I miss you 😦

    (sigh, ok babe I’ll set something up possibly for New Years Eve. If you pass it up, I won’t bother to see you for another 2-3 months)

    –> I’m giving you guys these examples on how my text game works. I can already tell how these girls feel about me from their replies.
    Seriously though, no reply for me being nice and sending a nice holiday message to her? Goodbye, girl!

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  115. Shiva ,

    For women we can assume in a simplistic way that , the lower , more primitive , base part of the brain , described here as her hindbrain is what generates her reactions , feelings , emotions and behaviour … and her gina tingles.

    Where a self aware man may be capable of using the upper levels of his brain to analyse in a logical and rational way what his hindbrain is generating , a woman is far more likely just to rely on her rationalisation hamster.

    Right now I am too tired to illustrate this by using an amusing yet enlightening metaphor, so I will just leave it at that.

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  116. “We all have inner beta we are trying to kill.
    If we didn’t we wouldn’t be on this site”

    Please don’t try to kill off the beta in you. I’m an advocate for both betas and alphas. Each has it own purpose. Both qualities are effective…said it MANY times.

    My guy and I were playing around and I said,” You’re such a beta!!! hahahha!!( with a twinkle in my eyes)”. He laughs and said, ” Right….I reserve my alpha moves on other girls….hahahah lol!!! (smart, sexy , smirk!). He grabs me and I laugh while holding him soooooo tight!. Even when he is beta… he is alpha. BOTH!!!

    Keep the beta in you cause it can be so lovable when used at the right time and add doses of alpha. That will be perfect!

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  117. Beta is weak and effeminate. Low testosterone and neediness are common beta traits. So is mental obsession.
    When im with a woman, there is only one way to let her know how much I like her. Its a physicall impression [meaty intrusion] that leaves
    her a used abused wet filthy mess of full body orgasmed female flesh.
    Im never over afffectionate to her. In a way i could care less. While hot she is simply a clone almost indentical to all the other women in my harem.

    Its my lack of beta neediness and desperation, that leaves her addicted and completely under my control. She also knows i see other women, so she fights and competes for MY affection. She also knows if she pisses me off and crosses the line, i will drop her like a stone. Completely cut communication with her. Then she is in full alpha male withdrawl and she is mindfucked.

    Women are hens in the henhouse [harem] and im the rooster with the cock managing my flock.

    lol

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  118. @ Phoenix

    Great examples…

    Girl who was supposed to come over for Christmas holidays and flaked on and off…writes, texts, IM’s me.. obviously feeling bad, guilty and having second thoughts:

    Her in successive texts/IM’s: Merry Christmas, hope you have a great day, happy day. etc etc…

    After 3 days Me: thx

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  119. “” Her in successive texts/IM’s: Merry Christmas, hope you have a great day, happy day. etc etc…

    After 3 days Me: thx “”

    Perfect.

    Wait a couple of weeks and before the weekend text her something like.

    “Taking a break on Sat night and chilling out at home; come over for a drink and bring some movies”

    If she flakes again or does not offer an alternative time ; delete her number and all her texts consider yourself lucky not to have wasted any more time with her.

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  120. […] Modern Definition of Anti-Semitism“, “Going All in or Cashing Out“, “Thinking Like a Woman“, “Have a Herbly […]

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  121. Mr. C.

    The pre-game me would have replied with “Merry Christmas”….and immediately.

    Waiting 3 days and “thx’ felt awkward, but after thinking about it, felt great.

    Then I met up with another girl I’d been gaming for a few weeks.

    I “assumed the sale”. We were supposed to meet up for drinks. I suggested we meet up at a pub. “bring strawberries for after” After meant, my place.

    She didn’t bring the strawberries so I made her pay for the drinks.

    Then we did go back to my place.

    After a while, game starts to become more part of your persona. It becomes less conscious and more effortless.

    I find even when I do make mistakes or do something beta, if I’ve already established an alpha cred or frame, then it usually slips by.

    Also, the more I game, the more the target plays along, role-plays, understands the unspoken “we’re gonna bang”signals.

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  122. This is Gold.

    It is worth studying these fundamentals. Im going to burn them into my memory.

    Aloof mastery.[i solemnly swear to the masters of game, i will never try. I will always be indifferent, acting like i dont want the girl, even if she is hot as fuck. . Its the only way to get her constantly chasing me.]

    Dont be insecure , irrational self confidence [my confidence breaks her front, she bows to my frame. Im Gods
    gift to women, its her loss if she doesnt get my number. There is a endless supply of women. I can get any girl i want]

    Especially dehumanize and objectify girls.
    [ Society has destroyed women, turned them into MATERIAL OBJECTS that have no SOUL. Far from being goddesslike these creatures if seen in their true form would be twisted and demonlike. A succubus hides its true self into the host personality. Women have MPD Multiple Personality Disorder. I shall not be tempted by the Sirens.
    There is nothing sacred, holy or special about a woman who has been ‘butthexed’ by numerous random men.]

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  123. on December 27, 2010 at 8:18 pm betondo fuchatuch

    Classic examples of the behavior of a generation of males who were raised by, predominately educated by, and watch a lot of shit movies and tv shows dominated by women. They act essentially like dysfunctional girls.

    I don’t why it’s so hard to understand – if you want something, you have to be able to turn and walk away without a fucking word. Let them chase you down and prostrate for your clarity.

    I went to a bangin club years ago with two male friends. Didn’t want to go but they wanted me to get out for a while so I did. Primo tail everywhere but I didn’t act like I wasn’t interested – I really wasn’t interested. Shit, I was just rolling with the boyz.

    And sitting there at the bar for about 3 hrs drinking my Jack and thinking thoughts I hadn’t thunk before, I’d lock eyes with some chick. Looked as long as I was pleased to then I’d look away. In a couple three minutes that chick was in my face asking me what’s wrong? is everything okay? do you wanna dance? All that shit.

    Happened 4 times that night, and one occasion there were two chicks. Friends. No shit. Wanting to do what women are wired to do. Solve a male mystery.

    They’re like cats – they have to find a way to stick their heads in the closed boxed. Open boxes all over the fuckin room but the closed one dominates their thoughts until they have eyes in the box.

    Moral – you be the string, she be the cat. Cats are interested in strings that are still, and highly motivated by strings that move away. But the string that moves towards them is annoying.

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  124. The fundamental problem with your idea is treating women (people) like some mechanical object with preset actions and behaviors that are activated per given stimuli. I have dated a lot of women and just because I may have ‘understood’ (again, don’t agree with your concept that distorts control over empathy) one girlfriend from my past, it doesn’t lead to understanding the next women I will meet, much less the billions of women on this earth. Just like you are different from your friend, or how your mom was different from your friend’s mom, you can’t predict how people will behave. Some women are childish and stuck up, some are down-to-earth and fun, some are charming, some are not charming, some are funny, others are not. Like men.

    There is a difference between confidence and arrogance, and real charm with fakeness. People can tell. The key is putting your best foot forward and taking care of yourself, truly being a master in your life. People flock to what’s positive. I have an awesome girlfriend who I seriously cannot imagine my life without. I wouldn’t have gotten her with phoniness or treating her like shit. Hell, I would honestly knock out whatever POS even thought of treating her like your blog suggests. The TRUTH is that there are good women out there. Just remember it’s your own damn fault if you wake up lonely because you have been phony, chasing over stupid skirts all your life because you were too insecure to get real.

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  125. @ Mark T

    i see what you’re saying but i think you’re missing the point, to some extent

    of course there are good women out there, many of them,
    it’s not about treating women like shit or being phony with women, it’s simply not treating women like gods and putting them on pedestals, when no woman deserves that kind of treatment – that’s not insecure behaviour, if anything it’s ‘getting real’

    with respect, no matter how awesome your girlfriend is, should things turn sour, you should always be able to walk away, you should always have options and never focus entirely on just the one woman, that’s the path to one-itis

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  126. […] himself recently documented a list of beta foibles observed at a house party. It reads like an encyclopedia of cringeworthy social failure. To […]

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  127. […] Roissy posted in his blog a few months back a list of “gross errors” made by guys in their “pickup judgment” he observed at a house party he had attended. Not surprisingly, numero uno was: […]

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