Chicks Dig Jerks: A Series

Some men and most women are so afraid of facing the truth about the gina tingle that even when the evidence is slapping them in the face you will hear them say things like “Oh, women don’t *really* want assholes. They want niceguys who are confident and strong.”

Weasel words. Exhibit A: Love letters from women to death row inmates. Let’s take a latesummer’s jaunt through some of these declarations of undying love for men who have stabbed, shot, strangled, raped, disemboweled, chopped up, tortured, violated in sundry horrific ways, and otherwise demonstrated many qualities of the “confident and strong” man with their unfortunate victims.

It happened to me and I am considered the most level headed person going (apparently) and then people decided I lost my mind! But I wouldn’t swap my man for the world. Sometimes you just have to take a chance! What have you got to lose? I doubted my feelings at first, I just figured it would be another complication for him, and for me. But now, we are as happy as can be. You could find love on the outside, but would you be any better off? Any man can betray a woman and vice versa, but it the love you find is real, it will stand everything that lies ahead. I know my guy could be there for the next got knows how many years, before/if execution comes. But I will be with him all the way, and I will be there if/when he dies. Grab any happiness you can. I was married for several years, and my husband turned out to be a pretty useless liar – he got caught! But with my guy, I have found a person who is so completely on my level, I never thought I could find this, but I did and I am always by his side! Just be careful, some are charmers, some are just looking for kicks, but some are genuine and need loving. If you don’t have experience of death row apart from this guy, then just heed that warning. I have been involved with D[eath]R[ow] for a good 10 years, and I have learned alot, both good and bad. But if you really feel it is right, then just go for it and enjoy it:thumbsup:

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It took months, for me to find to the word for what I had been feeling since only a few weeks after I began to write a death row inmate. I only told him yesterday; the word that had escaped me was intimacy. Not intimate as in physical touch or sex, but truly intimate. The two of us almost seem to live within eachother. We know eachother in a way noone else has ever known either of us. He says that I scare the hell out of him, because it is as if I can see through to his soul. I feel the same with him, he knows and understands all.

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To the love of my life, my baby and husband forever, my Randy…love you baby, always ‘n’ ever, Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah!!! Can’t wait ’til he’s home with me one day…and we can have our beautiful babies together. [Editor: Great, just what society needs.] Merry Christmas to all you ladies also, all of us who have this bond because of where our men are :(, Lou, Kyla, Babealicious, rosita, and Kris…I am praying for us all and for our men, that they all know how much we love them and that they will all be off the row one day and home with us, where they belong. 🙂 Love ya’ll. Happy Holidays.

Someone on the forum asked what everyone’s loved one did to get on death row. This is how one woman answered:

Capital murder is the only thing someone can be sentenced to death for. My husband was only an accomplice, he didn’t commit the crime he was so unjustly sentenced for. I however do not feel like anyone should ask that question in the “loving a death row inmate” forum, but that is just my opinion.

Yes, best to ignore that 800 pound bloodthirsty monster in the room. I’d imagine women who love death row inmates are exceptionally skilled at rationalizing away unpleasant realities. A common theme among the letters is how many women protest their lovers are innocent, and how wrong it is of the state to “kill people who kill people to prove that killing people is wrong?????:angry:” [actual forum comment].

More love notes for killer blokes:

Wow… I came into here cuz I wondered how women of lifers are like? Now I know. They’re full of compassion and patience enough to share with everyone here and over there and with their men. It’s amazing how some of you stand by your man and not have a divorce within first 5 years of incarceration. Amazing! I could just cry by just thinking how you endure that! Wow… Also, it seems like intimate loved ones of livers could tolerate celibacy. How? Wow… I just KNEW that love DOES exist without the necessity of sex, I just wanted to see the words of those women with my own eyes. Now I know that type of love does exist… unconditionally. 🙂 God B-L-E-S-S all of you special people! Smile. And I cried the another day several months ago…

Women would rather endure years of celibacy and separation in the faint hope that their death row lovers will be released, than go on a date with a law-abiding beta in the outside world.

I got my first letter from my new friend on DR…I have to admit I was a little timid but when I read his first letter all those feelings went away..He is so nice, friendly, and really warm. He was so happy to get my letter…I must say that I am really looking forward to getting to know him.

A lot of death row love affairs start with the woman writing a letter to one of the inmates. Why do so many women feel compelled to write tender, inquisitive heartfelt notes to killers in prison instead of writing to Nathaniel Schnerdling the accountant who lives across the street? After reading my blog, you now know the answer.

Well…I am not sure what to say or how to say it…I guess I’m just feeling really overwhelmed…and I’m afraid this is something he can’t help me with…he doesn’t know how things feel from my side…I’m hoping that someone can give me some words of wisdom…

Here is a man on death row…that I am head over heels for…and things get more and more intense with each letter and now phone calls…He told me last night that I was his everything. Which means so much more than saying “i love you”…and I am losing it…

Since the beginning he told me that he appreciated me because I had these two worlds My world and Our world…in our world I am his and he is mine…and in my world I go about my day to day life…studying, dating, going out, etc…and I used to be so good at seperating the two…the problem is the closer we get the more time I want to spend in “our” world…not that I am going out less or that school is suffering….more that I have no interest in anyone else…

A well-known game tactic is the “Our World” routine, where you build rapport with a woman by describing how there are two worlds, the outside world where the girl interacts with her humdrum daily life of work, school, friends, etc., and “our world” where both of you share a secret bond and the rules of society don’t apply. It would seem natural born killers are also natural born seducers.

I Can’t Say How I Met Him
We Grew Up Together.
I Can’t Say When I Loved Him
It Just Always Has Been.
Ican’t Say What Happened
To Put Him Where He Is.
I Only Know I Love Him,
Simply Because He Is.
He Is My Best Friend
The Reason Why I Smile.
He Is The One I Love
And Have For Quite Awhile.
No, He Isn’t Perfect…
I’m Not Asking Him To Be.
He Is Simply On Death Row
And Means The World To Me.

Somewhere in America, a girl just received a poem from an idealistic young beta and shared it with her girlfriends for laughs.

I just had to share this with all my friends at PTO. I have a very dear friend on Polunsky Unit, in Texas, and I just recieved the most amazing package from him I have ever seen. I am going to try and get a picture of this artwork to put up.

To any people that see these men as monsters, I just wish that you could feel and see what I am feeling and seeing today. It cost him over $30 to send this package to Australia.

It is a beautiful picture of Indian art, past present and future, and I am one that loves Indian artwork, but I have never seen so much detail and beauty in this.

The other is a painting he did of some roses, and the details are perfect with that painting as well. He painted and sketched them for me :). It isnt normal paper either, its proper artwork stuff. (his level one).

I am just so excited I had to share. I feel the luckiest person alive today, having such a dear friend in my life, that took time out to show how much he appreciates me as a friend.

These men aren’t monsters. Look, he painted roses on higher quality paper!

I have a question (no Im not getting married), I was just curious. When you marry a man on death row, that is already there, and the visits are non contact, do they give you time to be together, so you can at least touch, like a hug and a kiss. Its just something I have always been curious about.

I wonder if Half Sigma would consider death row weddings prole?

Charles made me a beautiful home made card with a neclace on a rope with a little tube of his hair in it. 🙂 It was just so nice to have something thats a part of him, It just made my day. he said i cant send him my hair, doesnt seem fair:(

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I just got my phone bill in!! My guy was moved from Polunsky to county, and of course it is GREAT cause he has phone access, DAILY, not the every 90 days to call me. The calls are $52 a call 😮 He is so worth it though, but I could of flown over there and visited him in county by the time these calls all hit my bill.

What love does to us all 🙂 He is so worth it though 😀 Now he will be on a limit, cause I will have to prepay the calls. 😦 On the other hand though, I should enjoy it, because he will be back to every 90 days again after he is done in county. Ummm, but then I will be broke. 🙄
Its so hard to say I cant accept (I wouldnt do that anyway). Just to hear his voice on the other end for 15 minutes, going HEY SWEETIE!! 🙂

Women will go broke for the men they love. Remember that the next time you’re tempted to buy a girl a drink.

Well I haven’t had a phone call in a couple days, no mail either… then today I get his letter that he’s in the hole. :angry: Sometimes this is so frustrating. As if we aren’t limited enough already, now we are limited even more. I haven’t been able to talk to him this week so I don’t even know the reason behind it. From what I hear they are on it right now, sending guys to the hole left & right. He has no food (except their daily meals) they took all his personal things and it will be 2 weeks before he gets it back… so in the mean time he is staring at the walls, hungry, and going crazy… which makes me crazy knowing he’s crazy… does the maddness ever stop???

….breathe…

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I never, ever would have imagined that I’d fall so deeply in love with him when I first began corresponding with him. But now that it’s happened, I cannot deny it. I have come to love him deeply over the past few months and he feels the same about me. Our souls are intertwined. I want to freely love this man and give him my heart. Yet, at the same time I am scared that I will hurt him down the line. I’m scared that I won’t be able to give him what he needs. I’m scared that I’m just not strong enough to do this. I question why I would fall in love with someone that I will never be able to share my life with in a conventional way, someone that I will never be able to fall asleep with, come home to at the end of the day, or even kiss.

How sweet!

I have been writing a DR inmate for a significant period and really felt we had a deep bond, a sincere and close friendship. Recently our dynamic evolved from platonic to flirtatious. We both acknowledged this and mutually confirmed to each other that there may be something special developing between us. He wanted us to become closer yet I was very conflicted about whether to explore it or not as I have never been involved with a man who is incarcerated so I have infinite issues with this which are intensified by him being on DR.

The ultimate fear was obviously the possibility that he may be executed and the unbearable agony of watching my lover die like that. Did I want to allow myself to fall in love with him knowing this could be our tragic fate?

The woman who wrote the above (which I excerpted from a longer posting) sounded of well above average intelligence.

today i found his updated ad in VOICES FROM INSIDE ,I am very sad because some months ago he told me that he did not have any ad online .im agree that he can write other pen pals .the only think ,i can not accept, is that he lied to me 😦 i have supported him in anyway i could but now i dont know how to behave:confused:

A death row inmate lied to you? Shocked, I am!

I just want to say that I have been “lurking” here for awhile. I am so excited to have found this site. When I am reading the posts here, I finally felt normal. I am very much in love with a man on death row. I have explained this situation repeatedly to my friends and family. Some of them have suggested that I have lost my mind. I am 28 years old and have a very good job. I am attractive and lead a very stable life. I have several non romantic pen pals on death row but then I met him. I have found my perfect match in every way. We have more in common than most people would believe. My friends have pointed out all that I would be giving up. BUT I already have a beautiful nine year old daughter and due to my career I was never planning to have anymore children so in that respect I am not missing out. I would much rather be with the correct person in a tough situation than with the wrong person in a comfortable situation. I may only be 28 years old but trust me when I say that I have faced more challenges than some people will face in a lifetime. I have found the person that I love and while it’s only been about six months, it feels like so much longer. I know that this relationship will be tough but he is able to call me each time he comes out of his cell, the calls are not collect as they are able to use phone cards and we write every single day. I am so in love with this man. Hearing the joy in his voice when we talk is so wonderful. He makes me feel very special and for once I know that someone is not with me because I am “hot”. He sees my heart and in return I see his. Sorry this is very long but I just wanted to say thank you for posting on this site and giving me a sense of acceptance in a world full of extremely judgemental individuals.

Doubters and feminists will claim that only low class, ugly women would fall for killer men. Oh, really?

This “Loving a Death Row Inmate” forum is ripe for righteous trollery. I’d log in under a female pseudonym (something similarly cutesy as the other female forum members, like “unicorngirlrainbowflyer”) and talk about how my lover wanted me to join him in slowly torturing and killing a teenage virgin, and then eating the victim’s heart together to seal our pact of eternal love, and how the thought makes me cry and orgasm like I’ve never orgasmed with any other man. I wonder how many sympathetic ears I would get?

Reader Arpagus wrote in response to the Death Row Lovers forum:

I have never seen so passionate declarations of love. Wish I could be loved like that. Being on death row obviously trumps everything else you could ever imagine would attract women. What we call game is nothing compared to this.

Even where there is no death penalty, killers are on the top of the food chain. There is a trial here now against a man for killing three people, including a pregnant woman. He got a female guard to enter a personal ad for him, resulting in 84 replies. 16 were already married and 30 sent nude pictures of themselves. Some were journalists, yes, but he he has more than enough real loving pussy left to live happily ever after.

Scott Peterson was on death row barely an hour when he received his first marriage proposal from a female fan. Do all women love convicted killers? No, but the sheer volume and intensity of sexual attention lavished on death row inmates tells us something very valuable about the deepest, sincerest desires of the female heart. And that something is quite discomfiting, indeed.

Whle Smart Sassy Susie the DC Lawyer Chick may balk at the idea that she would ever tingle in the gina for a death row inmate, the truth is that she is not so far removed from the women who do fall in love with killers. Her separation from those other women is a separation of degree, not kind. For every woman who writes love poems to cold-blooded killers, there are one hundred women whose hearts beat fast for an asshole who cheats, a jerk who lies, or an alpha who dominates.

The id monster holds dominion over us all, now and evermore.





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  1. First!!

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  2. It’s sad to think that these “women of lifers” most likely do *not* cheat on their man whereas wives of soldiers cheat on theirs with complete lack of remorse. Shows what women value in a relationship.

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  3. on August 31, 2009 at 2:06 pm Seeking Alpha

    Roissy, surprised you don’t delete the ‘first’ comments. I wonder if these guys yell out the same thing in bed and with as much glee?

    So does this chicks-dig-murderers phenomenon explain how Ted Kennedy got so much pussy?

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  4. “Doubters and feminists will claim that only low class, ugly women would fall for killer men. ”

    i gotta say though, that was a different situation. she was in tow with those guys before they were tossed in jail. the women you’re writing about are of lower status because they are settling for guys that invoked none of the pussy tingling *before* they wound up in jail. their attraction is based solely on the fact that these men are in jail rather than the bad-boy behavior (that eventually led to jail) that attracted the beauty pageant contestant.

    jail-bird seekers are less attractive, in general, than the average relationship-seeking woman.

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  5. How sweet!

    I dig these Roissy’s one-liners after each exhibit. It’s like watching Omaha Mutual Animal Kingdom narrated by Marquis de Sade.

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  6. This girl in my office building is married with 2 kids. Last week she filed for divorce and is moving east to be closer to ‘the love of her life.’

    She’s moving east to be closer to him. In jail. He’s doing a stint for armed robbery. Not DR or whatever, but along the same lines…

    I thought of this blog the moment I heard the second-hand story.

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  7. Nathaniel Schnerdling
    *snicker*

    The woman who wrote the above (which I excerpted from a longer posting) sounded of well above average intelligence.

    She sounds like she has spent too much time reading about Tristan and Isolde.

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  8. Edited to add that this girl is a solid 8.

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  9. ”and talk about how my lover wanted me to join him in slowly torturing and killing a teenage virgin, and then eating the victim’s heart together to seal our pact of eternal love, and how the thought makes me cry and orgasm like I’ve never orgasmed with any other man. I wonder how many sympathetic ears I would get“

    Please do!!! We need more proof of this women’s inherent evilness.

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  10. on August 31, 2009 at 2:15 pm Professional Engineer

    Sick funny stuff

    ‘Do all women love convicted killers? No, but the sheer volume and intensity of sexual attention lavished on death row inmates tells us something very valuable about the deepest, sincerest desires of the female heart. And that something is quite discomfiting, indeed.’

    This was a thing of beauty.

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  11. What’s this deal with “men being liars”? It’s the social paradox of lying: men are lousy liars, so they get caught and get the wrap for being “such liars.” Women are superb at lying, so they hardly ever get caught. (They also have the added quality of being phenomenal at rationalizing their irrational choices driven by the most primitive parts of their brains.) And we get the horse shit claim that women are more honest. Fech!

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  12. Haha. This is crazy talk. Decent, moral men – the evidence is all here. Go your own way. Find a mission in life that excludes all this BS.

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  13. on August 31, 2009 at 2:27 pm Cannon's Canon

    death row inmates: combining the voracity of an alpha with the compartmentalization of a beta.

    a Houellebecq sequel in the works?

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  14. Abject Man,

    I’ve found more often that women lie to themselves when they lie. In they’re minds they are not lying because they actually believe what they’re saying is true.

    Men who do that are called sociopaths.

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  15. Abject Man,

    This lying to yourself phenomenon explain why men get caught more often too. Most lies are exposed not because of being caught in the lie, more often lies are exposed through “tells.”

    If you don’t believe what you’re doing is wrong you have no tell.

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  16. Young women, here is some advice:

    Don’t throw your hot, youthful selves away on young, financially unproven men. They may never become successes, and if they do, they’ll probably just chuck you for younger models when you’re too old to successfully compete again in the marriage marketplace.

    Instead, marry rich guys while you’re still taut enough to snag them. They may dump you, too, but at least you’ll have nice, fat divorce settlements with which to pursue true love, or the pool guy, whoever comes first.

    Notice I didn’t say it was good advice.

    But that is the gist of a new book, “Smart Girls Marry Money: How Women Have Been Duped Into the Romantic Dream — and How They’re Paying for It,” by Elizabeth Ford and Daniela Drake.

    “Rather than pursuing love, we suggest pursuing a lifestyle with a man you like, or admire and enjoy,” they write. “But in any case, he should be a man with resources.”

    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/LoveAndMoney/do-smart-women-marry-money.aspx?gt1=33009

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  17. Women are superb at lying, so they hardly ever get caught.

    Oh, they get caught all the time, they just don’t get called on it. The boyfriend knows that he’ll get denied pussy access if he calls her a liar to her face, so, even though he knows full well she’s a liar, he says nothing, and eventually finds a way to rationalize it so that maybe she wasn’t a liar after all…

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  18. It’s called backwards rationalization………..women do it a lot.

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  19. on August 31, 2009 at 2:41 pm JEW BITCH GREED

    Learn about how women and Jews are similar in their scumminess the book SEX AND CHARACTER @ http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/sexcharh.html

    The true conception of the State is foreign to the Jew, because he, like the woman, is wanting in personality; his failure to grasp the idea of true society is due to his lack of free intelligible ego. Like women, Jews tend to adhere together, but they do not associate as free independent individuals mutually respecting each other’s individuality.

    Greatness is absent from the nature of the woman and the Jew, the greatness of morality, or the greatness of evil. . . . In the Jew and the woman, good and evil are not distinct from one another.

    It is this want of depth which explains the absence of truly great Jews; like women, they are without any trace of genius.

    Jews and women are devoid of humour, but addicted to mockery.

    The congruity between Jews and women further reveals itself in the extreme adaptability of the Jews, in their great talent for journalism, the “nobility” of their minds, their lack of deeply-rooted and original ideas, in fact the mode in which, like women, because they are nothing in themselves, they can become everything. The Jew is an individual, not an individuality; he is in constant close relation with the lower life, and has no share in the higher metaphysical life.

    Our age is not only the most Jewish but the most feminine. It is a time when art is content with daubs and seeks its inspiration in the sports of animals; the time of a superficial anarchy, with no feeling for Justice and the State; a time of communistic ethics, of the most foolish of historical views, the materialistic interpretation of history; a time of capitalism and of Marxism; a time when history, life, and science are no more than political economy and technical instruction: a time when genius is supposed to be a form of madness; a time with no great artists and no great philosophers; a time without originality and yet with the most foolish craving for originality; a time when the cult of the Virgin has been replaced by that of the Demi-vierge. It is the time when pairing has not only been approved but has been enjoined as a duty.

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  20. “She said that her grandmother was skeptical of many things in this world and of none more then men. She said that in every trade save war men of talent and vigor prosper. In war they die. Her grandmother spoke to her often of men and she spoke with great earnestness and she said that rash men were a great temptation to women and this was simply a misfortune like others and there was little that could be done to remedy it. She said that to be a woman was to live a life of difficulty and heartbreak and those who said otherwise simply had no wish to face the facts. And she said that since this was so nor could it be altered one was better to follow one’s heart in joy and in misery than simply to seek comfort for there was none. To seek it was only to welcome in the misery and to know little else. She said that these were things all women knew yet seldom spoke of. Lastly she said that if women were drawn to rash men it was only that in their secret hearts they knew that a man who would not kill for them was of no use at all.”

    -from Cormac McCarthy’s “The Crossing”

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  21. OK, good observations, guys.

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  22. crap my comment had to follow that?!

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  23. Yours was better cz.

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  24. on August 31, 2009 at 2:45 pm Horatio Sanchez

    This sort of thing must drive the betas of the world crazy. All the better, probably, maybe it will snap some sense into them – or make them snap, like Sodini… then, if they don’t kill themselves, they can get girls writing them letters on death row, too. Win win for everyone!

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  25. -Oh, they get caught all the time, they just don’t get called on it-

    Call them on it. You’ll still get laid.

    -I’ve found more often that women lie to themselves when they lie. In they’re minds they are not lying because they actually believe what they’re saying is true.-

    Yea, verily. Whatever makes them feel good…

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  26. Ho-hum. O m e g a women pining after someone who is both unavailable, and whom they know doesn’t have the opportunity to cheat on them? Wake me when we have a 9/10 pining after her lover on death row. You may as well say men love bitches, and use the example of all those supplicating betas out there pining for women they know they will never get, and in the meantime letting those women walk all over them. People are screwed up, both men and women.

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  27. I should add that, knowing these basic facts, it seems sadistic to be against the death penalty.

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  28. on August 31, 2009 at 2:47 pm Seeking Alpha

    The Jew is an individual, not an individuality;

    Can you explain this further? Not sure I follow.

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  29. “Our age is not only the most Jewish but the most feminine.”

    I wish I had said that.

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  30. When you’ve got a death sentence, everything else is laughable — great set up for prime aloof alpha game. Yet according to these women’s descriptions, the personalities of their criminal beaus seem quite beta (“You are my everything”).

    I’m not disagreeing that women dig jerks, but I don’t think death row love letters are a solid example. Especially if the romance begins through long-distance correspondence; few such relationships endure once lovers try living in the real world for a change.

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  31. on August 31, 2009 at 2:50 pm Comment_Whatever

    Many women don’t really care if things make sense, at all. They just judge if ‘the group’ thinks things are ‘okay’.

    So some mercenary authors, like the *bleep* who wrote Twilight, just flip switches. They know, they KNOW, that it DOESN’T MATTER if the whole thing make no sense at all. And that if you TRY to make sense of it, there are only scary answers.

    EDWARD CULLEN the Sexually Impossible Vampire from Twilight:
    Edward Cullen, Born June 20, 1901, about 100 years old at time of novel.

    Older man Attraction Switch FLIPPED!

    But isn’t it sad to know that older men have probably had others before you! Don’t worry, that’s not a problem with Edward! He is a virgin!

    Way to go! Loves Only Me Attraction Switch FLIPPED!

    On the other hand, WTF?

    How is Edward still a virgin at 100 years old? Does Edward Cullen have no sex drive? Did he swear an oath to God? No to both. So…….. what exactly is wrong with him that he is still a virgin? *SCARY* Best to stop thinking about it.

    But he is physically impossible to!

    He is more than humanly possible fast, more than humanly possible strong, and more than humanly possible tough!

    Protector/Weapon Against Others Attraction Switch FLIPPED!

    And he is SOCIALLY impossible to!

    Normally, older, more experienced men DO have some social distance they need to bridge with younger woman. Not so with Edward Cullen! He is COOLZ and Goes To Schoolz! Yes, a 100 year old vampire is ‘learning’ algebra in High School, just like Bella!

    I bet he has an easy time on the history tests. Ha. Ha.

    He like, really GETS Bella’s like LIFE.

    Comfort Established. Attraction Switch FLIPPED!

    But….. really…… how can he stand ‘learning’ things he already knows, doesn’t he think he is wasting time? Why does he still act like a teenager…. I mean…. is he *SCARY THOUGHTS* best to stop now. Don’t judge the poor boy… err old man… err virgin super-strong killer… errr… *STOP NOW* *EVERYTHING IS OKAY!* *PONIES!*

    Edward also continously Games Bella, Push-Pull, Neg, and all that. So the writer is doing this all deliberately.

    And you know what, the completely impossible character of Edward SOLD to lots of girls. It didn’t matter that it was complete nonsense.

    And you know what, they are going to compare their boyfriends to a ‘man’ who not only doesn’t exist, but would be a completely insane head-case if ‘he’ did!

    Getting women to want utterly impossible men is destructive, and I’m sure the author is well aware of that. If she wasn’t, then she wouldn’t have known enough to flip the attraction switches in the first place.

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  32. Tarl

    The boyfriend knows that he’ll get denied pussy access if he calls her a liar to her face, so, even though he knows full well she’s a liar, he says nothing, and eventually finds a way to rationalize it so that maybe she wasn’t a liar after all…

    Not if you’re alpha you won’t get denied pussy for doing that. You’ll get better and hotter pussy.

    It’s important to not act all pissy and righteous indignant about her lying. Threat her more like she’s your naughty teenage daughter at that moment. Have in your mind that girls are given to lying. That doesn’t make it alright but it does make it hard for them to resist sometimes.

    It’s best to not directly accuse her of lying often. Say you strongly suspect she’s guilty of an untruth. Or of prevaricating. When she escalates and says “are you calling me a liar?” all confidant that you’ll back down from that nuclear charge, look at her confidently and say “yup. I am. ” Combine that with something else. “A hot one though”. Or “yup. But you’re also usually rather loving”. Etc.

    you want to be sure you have the goods on her though.

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  33. Hmm.

    Felony Game? I don’t remember ever reading about that but there’s obviously something to it. The Chad-man is impressed, and almost tempted to give it a shot.

    But I think I’ll stick to the livestrong bracelet / lacoste popped collar / sideways ballcap trifecta for now.

    Peace.

    The Chad-Man

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  34. Seeking Alpha,

    It seems Jew Bitch Greed is a copy-paste troll. He was just copying and pasting from the website he posted, which seems to have been written by a German in 1906.

    Its a shame because there might be some useful insights in that madman’s ramblings if you can get over the ridiculous early 20th century psychology and philosophy and blatantly distortive bigotry.

    . Women, in spite of what Schiller has said, have no dignity, and the word “lady” was invented to supply this defect, and her pride will find its expression in what she regards as the supreme good, that is to say, in the preservation, improvement, and display of her personal beauty. The pride of the female is something quite peculiar to herself, something foreign even to the most handsome man, an obsession by her own body; a pleasure which displays itself, even in the least handsome girl, by admiring herself in the mirror, by stroking herself and playing with her own hair, but which comes to its full measure only in the effect that her body has on man. A woman has no true solitude, because she is always conscious of herself only in relation to others. The other side of the vanity of women is the desire to feel that her body is admired, or, rather, sexually coveted, by a man.

    This desire is so strong that there are many women to whom it is sufficient merely to know that they are coveted.

    The vanity of women is, then, always in relation to others; a woman lives only in the thoughts of others about her. The sensibility of women is directed to this. A woman never forgets that some one thought her ugly; a woman never considers herself ugly; the successes of others at the most only make her think of herself as perhaps less attractive. But no woman ever believes herself to be anything but beautiful and desirable when she looks at herself in the glass; she never accepts her own ugliness as a painful reality as a man would, and never ceases to try to persuade others of the contrary.

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  35. Count me in the (moderate) doubters column. Yes, yes, asshole game works really well on a lot of women and there are women who chase murderers. But the fact that these phenomena are real doesn’t come close to proving that these things are more attractive than repulsive to the majority of women, let alone all of them. My guess is that the women who respond to these sorts of things form a large minority, but not a majority.

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  36. I once had a pro bono client who was a notorious multiple rapist.

    The exact same thing happened to him.

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  37. on August 31, 2009 at 3:07 pm JEW BITCH GREED

    Masculine chastity is laughed at, and the feeling that woman is the evil influence in man’s life is no longer understood, and men are not ashamed of their own lust.

    It is now apparent from where this demand for “seeing life,” the Dionysian view of the music-hall, the cult of Goethe in so far as he follows Ovid, and this quite modern “coitus-cult” comes. There is no doubt that the movement is so widespread that very few men have the courage to acknowledge their chastity, preferring to pretend that they are regular Don Juans. Sexual excess is held to be the most desirable characteristic of a man of the world, and sexuality has attained such pre-eminence that a man is doubted unless he can, as it were, show proofs of his prowess. Chastity, on the other hand, is so despised that many a really pure lad attempts to appear blas, rou,. It is even true that those who are modest are ashamed of the feeling; but there is another, the modern form of shame – not the eroticist’s shame, but the shame of the woman who has no lover, who has not received appraisement from the opposite sex. Hence it comes that men make it their business to tell each other what a right and proper pleasure they take in “doing their duty” by the opposite sex. And women are careful to let it be known that only what is “manly” in man can appeal to them: and man takes their measure of his manliness and makes it his own. Man’s qualification as a male have, in fact, become identical with his value with women, in women’s eyes.

    But God forbid that it should be so; that would mean that there are no longer any men.

    http://www.theabsolute.net/ottow/sexcharh.html#wmankind

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  38. on August 31, 2009 at 3:08 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Nonymous

    Ironic that a copy-and-paster would complain about the Jews ‘lack of deeply-rooted and original ideas’.

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  39. …off topic but maybe early enough in the thread that it might get some response…

    ‘gina tingle’ is a phrase used frequently by our host to indicate an arousal of female sexual interest. Women, what is your experience? Fact or metaphor? Bartholin’s gland activation or mental pique?

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  40. Jew Bitch Greed,

    If you’re gonna copy-paste troll at least do it on topic.

    Like this part about girl’s ability to lie:
    The non-moral nature of woman reveals itself in the mode in which she can so easily forget an immoral action she has committed. It is almost characteristic of a woman that she cannot believe that she has done wrong, and so is able to deceive both herself and her husband. Men, on the other hand, remember nothing so well as the guilty episodes of their lives. Here memory reveals itself as eminently a moral phenomenon. forgiving and forgetting, not forgiving and understanding, go together. When one remembers a lie, one reproaches oneself afresh about it. A woman forgets, because she does not blame herself for an act of meanness, because she does not understand it, having no relation to the moral idea. It is not surprising that she is ready to lie.

    Or even, if you dare, pick a quote related to the original post, like:
    A man that has lost self- restraint repels the mother-woman, is attractive to the prostitute. There are women who are dissatisfied with a son that is idle at school; there are others who encourage him. The diligent boy pleases the mother-woman, the idle and careless boy wins approval from the prostitute type.

    [editor: any guesses which way Wendy Schwartz’s kid will swing?]

    This distinction reaches high up amongst the respectable classes of society, but a salient example of it is seen in the fact that the “bullies” loved by women of the streets are usually criminals. The souteneur is always a criminal, a thief, a fraudulent person, or sometimes even a murderer.

    I personally do not agree with all the views that Otto Weininger holds but I am saying if you’re going to troll spam at least make it relevant.

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  41. Comment_Whatever:

    That was a spot-on breakdown of the whole Twilight phenomenon. I suspect you pegged Bhetti’s psyche as well.

    Seeking Alpha:

    Does your Jew Claw have…talons?

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  42. Roissy,

    I’d like to see you report on the Shakespeare’s ladies. Lady McBeth with blood on her hands or sweet Ophelia when called out on her sluttiness goes nuts and kills herself, would both be works in and of themselves.

    Now that I know about game the the transformation of Beatrice and Benedick’s insults to negs makes much more sense.

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  43. *Lady Macbeth

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  44. Did Tim McVeigh get love letters (other than from Gore Vidal)? Say what you want about him, he died like a man.

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  45. on August 31, 2009 at 3:31 pm Seeking Alpha

    Actually I use attached blades.

    This was me.

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  46. I bet they’re all fat, ugly, etc. with horrible personalities to boot. They will never find the relationship they are looking for within normal society, so to rebel, they get what they need from death row inmates.

    Another reason may be that these women are trying to get back at someone (daddy, maybe? – an ex – her friends) and thinks that by doing something controversial that she throws a wrench into the works. She is making a statement, goddamnit!

    Third possible explanation is that these women are vaginally flighty, ruled by their ginas that tingle for the “outlaw biker”

    Finally, it could also be an insatiable need for drama. Some women get off on dangerous shit. The relationship for these women becomes a “project” where she is desperately trying to save the soul (and the life) of the one she truly loves.

    I bet that if these men were found innocent and let out of prison or taken off death row all of the sudden, that these women would be out like three strikes. Most likely to find another inmate on death row, condemned for something.

    These men appeal to women’s EMOTIONS, and that is really all that matters to an (American especially) woman.

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  47. Nonymous and Jew Bitch Greed.

    Agreed.

    I think the problem in this country is that we are so lacking in tradition and culture, and traditional culture, that the LCD, lowest common denominator, has become the median norm.

    Someone discussed the days when “culture” meant high brow art not understandable to the unwashed masses. Current “pop culture” on the other hand is so low brow that it turns medium brow folks into the lowest common denominator of society.

    One example would be this silly “fashion” of guys wearing baggy jeans that hang below their asses, showing off their underwear.

    This originated guess where? In prison. It was a sign that you had been “claimed for” and were not to be touched (raped) by the other in-mates.

    Yep!

    And it wasn’t too long after that became “en vogue” amongst American male youth that females starting showing off some underwear too.

    So this whole glorification of unbridled sex culture that we now find ourselves immersed in is extremely low class in nature.

    In yogic culture the preservation of semen and the redirection of it upwards through your body is thought to bring about sharp intelligence and physical vigor. To “waste” ones semen un-neccessarily and often is thought to “weaken” the man – in resolve, in intellect and in strength.

    Perhaps there is something to be said for all that?

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  48. I think this is a little misleading. It should be labeled “Chicks Dig Dangerous Men”. From what I understand, most of these men are very nice to the women that they write. Every time I would get in a fight in school, I always had more attention from women, and not because I was a jerk.

    [editor: did you win or lose those fights?]

    You can be dangerous and not be a jerk. The most dangerous men also tend to be the most charming (Charles Manson).

    You also have to factor in the whole fairytale situations that these “couples” are in. The overall theme is straight out of a fairytale book: star crossed lovers that’ll never be together, yadda, yadda, yadda. And everyone knows that the harder it is for a couple to actually be together, the stronger the feelings are.

    However, I do agree that women will break their bank accounts for the men that they love. Women in general will spend all kinds of money on men, as long as he has some kind of ambition. If you have an ambition, and make her feel like she is a part of it, then she will spend all kind of money on you.

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  49. “The most dangerous men also tend to be the most charming (Charles Manson).”…………………

    What in the hell is “charming” about Charlie?!?!

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  50. Thursday,

    No doubt, most women aren’t into killers/rapists/mutilators of small furry animals. But if a statistically significant (even if tiny) number of women can’t resist a caged alpha (no matter how fucked up), that helps to explain why — as you put it — a large minority of women go for asshole game. They’d rather be emotionally abused than deal with boring betas.

    And that goes to the larger point about women in general: Many of the ones who aren’t into obvious jerks or (in rare cases) psychopathic murderers, still have an underlying desire for the kind of guy who would do things they claim to hate, i.e. lie, cheat, fuck her BFF while she’s out of town.

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  51. Interesting…

    But how much of the infatuation of these women stems from their attraction to the psychopathic “alpha-behavior” of the inmates vs. the “want more what you can’t have” syndrome?

    Or in other words, let’s say one guy is freed due to some technicality. Will his pen-pal friend still be as interested, now that the two could in theory “settle down”?

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  52. “Its a shame because there might be some useful insights in that madman’s ramblings if you can get over the ridiculous early 20th century psychology and philosophy and blatantly distortive bigotry.”

    It’s funny that much of the “madman’s ramblings” have been vindicated recently by none other than the Jewish historian Yuri Slezkine in his highly acclaimed book ‘The Jewish Century.”

    Here’s a good interview with Yuri Slezkine that gives you a good overview of his thesis: “In the 20th century, we all had to become literate, urban, mobile, and occupationally flexible. In other words, we all had to become Jewish.”

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  53. Auric,

    Sure, she’d still be interested in him after he got out, at least until the cops found her in the bathroom … and the kitchen … and the detached garage …

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  54. on August 31, 2009 at 3:49 pm snatch magnet

    “Charles made me a beautiful home made card with a neclace on a rope with a little tube of his hair in it. It was just so nice to have something thats a part of him, It just made my day. he said i cant send him my hair, doesnt seem fair:( ”

    Hilarious. The best part is the little sad face at the end. If only I could send him some hair…..

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  55. on August 31, 2009 at 3:51 pm snatch magnet

    maybe she could save up her hair and weave it into a shirt? Maybe they’d let her send that????

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  56. I read Stormfront,among others,:0 ,and there once heard of a forum for white women who have/were having black babies! I never had the chance to visit that delightful site,but the quotes the poster on SF shared were,like Roissy’s,very revealing.( Hello! theres some sick people out there. All that stuff about how Obamas science advisors want to sterilize people,maybe we should give that a second look. ) It seemed similar to the Def Row forum,where I am sure interracial love is smiled upon. At least they dont have contact! Otherwise many of these dames would go from THIS forum right over to the Black Baby forum!

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  57. on August 31, 2009 at 4:00 pm greater beta in ny

    Sure, it’s obvious that an overwhelming majority of women prefer and seek men who are socially, psychologically, sexually and physically dominant: alphas. But I still think for the vast majority the desire for dominance is what’s at play, not a desire for cruelty and assholishness.

    These pathetic, ugly jailhouse groupies I suspect are mostly craving attention and drama. They are about as relevant to the general female population as serial killers are to the general male population.

    Sometimes I think Roissy is just trolling for nerdy beta male outrage, and this is one of those times. “Somewhere in America, a girl just received a poem from an idealistic young beta”: c’mon dude, don’t be so maudlin.

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  58. I don’t find their obsession with DR inmates odd at all.

    I mean, you have it set up so you’re never going to actually know this person, never see their quirks and the turn offs, never see them lose their temper. They’ll never be able to beat you and won’t be able to (physically) cheat on you (with another woman, anyway).

    [editor: except that these women see the DR guys all the time, and sometimes they spend whole weekends together. many lifers get parole and the women are waiting for them at the prison gaits, jumping into their arms in loving ecstacy. this isn’t fantasy so much as it is delayed reality.]

    It becomes idealization. A lack of reality based on how you want to see that other person, and you never have to worry about that idealization being destroyed because they’re on death row. You can make everything perfect… in your head.

    And, yes, as Assanova says, the whole “star-crossed lovers” thing goes such a long way for chicks. Romanticizing everything, stepping outside of the confines of a mundane and subpar life to give oneself a bit of a fantasy that can’t be easily shattered.

    [we should also ask ourselves: why is *this* particular scenario, these particular men, a fantasy for women? why isn’t “star-crossed lovers” a fantasy when it involves nathaniel schnerdling the average beta? take care to note that women’s fantasies all seem to follow the same script, and feature the same types of men. there is a deep=seated darwinian reason for this, and no amount of hand-waving is going to change that.]

    If they are executed, it just continues. Their idealizing shifts to idolizing. They become their own tragic heroine, living out this romantic role.

    Sidenote:

    cz,

    “Lastly she said that if women were drawn to rash men it was only that in their secret hearts they knew that a man who would not kill for them was of no use at all.”

    Perfect. Not really applicable for men already confined, but I do so understand this sentiment. Makes me wonder if this book is in my car, or if it’s yet to be added to the pile.

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  59. Re BMM: “In yogic culture the preservation of semen and the redirection upwards…bring(s) sharp intelligence and physical vigor…to “waste” ones semen is thought to weaken the man…” A)Are you sure you’re on the right site? B)Remember George C Scott:”Precious bodily fluids!!!”

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  60. There’s no doubt that this is a fascinating phenomenon.

    Yet some people, particularly the biggest beta doomsayer types exaggerate how large a proportion of attractive women want these men.

    I’m will to bet that the great majority aren’t hot looking and/or are seriously over the hill. Yes it’s possible to find SOME that are hot looking maybe, but I’d bet money they were seriously messed up in other ways. Else they’d be shagging uncaged bad boys.

    Most hot women want some amount of edgie asshole but also someone reasonably stable and caring. Or they do for more than one night sluttery. Actually I’m rather sure there’s a bell curve on this like most everything else biologically rooted.

    I do think some of this is socialization though and social constraint. Shaming. Or not.

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  61. (Pssst: Tupac… want me to tell Clio you’re on death row?)

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  62. I noticed how so many of those letters from women emphasize loyalty and being there for each other, and love. And how would she feel if she found out he cheated on her with a hotter bitch?

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  63. I think Poetry’s got the psychology of DR groupies down exactly.

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  64. Gregory,

    Something tells me that she would find a way to rationalize it. Just a hunch.

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  65. @Thursday…

    “But the fact that these phenomena are real doesn’t come close to proving that these things are more attractive than repulsive to the majority of women, let alone all of them. My guess is that the women who respond to these sorts of things form a large minority, but not a majority.”

    The last sentence is true. The majority of women indeed don’t fall for death row inmates. The majority would never ADMIT to finding a death row suitor attractive. But the thing to keep in mind is that, for even the minority who actually pursue male inmates, there’s nothing analogous in males. Men don’t pursue female violent inmates to near the same degree–or at least we don’t read about it. There are no men (are there even any?) who flood mailboxes of violent females with marriage proposals. (Anyone hot for Lorena Bobbit? Anyone? ANYone?) So, this asymmetric behavior, while not widespread among women, clearly indicates a correlation. There’s something here worth scratching deeper on.

    [editor: this is a good point. there is virtually no similar trend of men falling head over heels in love with female inmates. the fact that this twisted love is the purview of women solely should be cause to suspect a deeper impulse that all women share, to a lesser or greater extent.]

    One very likely explanation is that aggressive, asshole display–albeit clothed at times in a prison uniform–is a probable alpha indicator. And for all the women who wouldn’t necessarily mount a violent inmate, there’s IS a gina tingle in response to a man who properly addresses and deals with everyday threats and challenges–at work, at school, out at a bar, etc.–even if he’s perceived as an asshole by those he asserted himself against.

    The fact that all women don’t throw themselves at asshole male prison inmates doesn’t negate the point. The point is not that all women will indeed do so. Prison inmates–and the women who part their legs for them–are merely the tail end of a spectrum shared by all.

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  66. Okay Roissy, you’re just being silly now.

    While I don’t argue that many, possibly most, women tingle for a cad, using these lunatic women as any sort of proof is beyond silly. Seriously, would any woman you’ve ever dated or consider dating be the type to actually put the stamp on an envelope to a death row inmate?

    I can point you to forums of women (dominatrixes) who love their “sissy boys.”

    [editor: point to them. are these doms professing their undying love for their sissyboys, or are they professing their psychologically charged kinks for them?]

    Does that prove your whole theory is wrong? Nope. It just proves the old adage, “Different strokes for different folks.”

    Again, I don’t dispute the hypothesis. But you hurt your argument more than help it when you stretch like this. Just sayin’.

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  67. BMM – read the acounts of Manson from his prime, he was frequently described as exceedingly charismatic.

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  68. “Men don’t pursue female violent inmates to near the same degree–or at least we don’t read about it. There are no men (are there even any?) who flood mailboxes of violent females with marriage proposals.”

    I don’t know. A large number of women in prison report being propositioned, seduced, coerced, and/or raped by guards.

    [editor: female inmates being raped by guards is not the same as male inmates being loved by women far removed from the penal system. just thought you should know.]

    Some even have babies by the guards while in prison. I guess this means that men like criminal women, going by Roissy-logic.

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  69. @anon:

    guards fucking caged women is NOT the same as women celibately pining for a caged man

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  70. dammit roissy you’re fast

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  71. I’m willing to bet that the participants of this blog have not been inside jails and prisons as much as I have (visiting, folks. only visiting).

    Believe me, the women that are waiting in line to see these guys are NOT prime alpha female material by any means.

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  72. Sorry for 3rd post but I checked the site and found they have a “Domestic Violence’ forum! heres a post from one Brendassewing,re a list of “crap he pulled.” :”had his way with me while asleep (assuming SHE was the one sleeping)…cracked a rib/punctured a lung/stomped chest/called daughter a ‘b****’ (that one seems rather tame!)power punched left eye…had to go to…school conferences with black eye..” (LOL! How many parents with healthy eyes dont bother going?) ” The stories here are many and some no doubt far worse than this! These guys go on and on. Now if David Alexander had so much as cleared his throat in front of his last girlfriend,out the door he’d go into the waiting arms of the police!!

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  73. http://datingcourting.com/en/dating/news_2008-03-17-13-15-17-767.html

    Challenges Of Dating A Woman In Jail

    She lives a chancy activity and you alike fatal living. She is a convict carry on bars however that does not seem to be sufficiently rationale to discourage you. You enjoy that calibre of women though in your subconscious you notice they achieve not takings matters for granted and they are a enormous fish to fry. Dating a woman in jail does not wish the faint-hearted; it needs a man with nerves of steel. Visualize how everything seems unusual when you comprehend of her. She is filled of mystery, it shrouds her. She keeps you guessing forever, dating her is compatible navigating in unchartered waters. Entering into her vitality is travelling into the unknown. It gives you an adrenaline quickness and am undeniable sometimes you ran short of breath. She seems so near much so far away. She is firm to inspire and men approximative it that design seeing that is where the sport is sweetest. A woman in jail is too callous to keep, don’t expect you can rein her in so easily…

    So quite obviously, all men love dangerous criminal women. Or alternatively, Roissy is full of crap.

    [editor: i posted a forum of women in love with killers. you posted a single article written by, presumably though it’s hard to tell by this google result you pulled up, a man talking about loving a female prisoner. nice JOOOORB, spungen or a spungen-like facsimile.]

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  74. Quick riffing from a structuralist standpoint.

    What deathrow groupies (and rockstar groupies and political groupies) and women who’d rather be treated like crap by a cool guy than be treated well by an uncool guy all have in common. Two things jump right out.

    – desire for a powerful partner. the less moral and discriminating the woman, the more immaterial how that power is expressed (including towards other people, in extreme cases towards children, in the most extreme cases towards the woman’s own children)

    – desire to defend. this is one of the things Roissy misses in his exlusively carnal evaluations. Women on the whole _love_ defending someone who they can be a spokesman for, the less deserved the defence the better. Whether it’s a problem child, jerky boyfriend or mass-murderer women love to advocate for the unloveable.

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  75. Believe me, the women that are waiting in line to see these guys are NOT prime alpha female material by any means.

    If photos of topless women at biker rallies are any indication…

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  76. “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” – George Orwell

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  77. [editor: except that these women see the DR guys all the time, and sometimes they spend whole weekends together. many lifers get parole and the women are waiting for them at the prison gates, jumping into their arms in loving ecstacy. this isn’t fantasy so much as it is delayed reality.]

    It’s easy, as you well know, to put on an act for a woman. Especially when your visits are planned and brief. A weekend? Heh, some men spend their entire relationships hiding who and what they are. What are a couple of days when it means perfect adoration and sex?

    I wasn’t referring to lifers in my comment, so I don’t really have much to address your point. I know lifers get out. It may take a few years, but it does happen. And, yes, those women are at the gates, chomping at the bit, once those men are released.

    But are there any (well done) studies that show the outcome of those relationships?

    I apologize if I missed reference to them in your post, but the irrational and usually poorly spelled ramblings of the women’s letters caused me to scroll through them.

    [we should also ask ourselves: why is *this* particular scenario, these particular men, a fantasy for women? why isn’t “star-crossed lovers” a fantasy when it involves nathaniel schnerdling the average beta? take care to note that women’s fantasies all seem to follow the same script, and feature the same types of men. there is a deep=seated darwinian reason for this, and no amount of hand-waving is going to change that.]

    I actually have found it fairly common to see little Nathaniel Schnerdling worshipping about the Prom Queen or Head Cheerleader, the girls so far beyond his reach, knowing that he can never have them, so he attempts to nice-guy them if they let him, and if they don’t, he simply idolizes them from afar, protesting their innocence when they are slandered, being the gallant (and inept) beta hero. It’s not star-crossed, but it certainly is a massive barrier that allows for massive idealization on the males part.

    And I will point out to you, on the deep-seated Darwinian reason, that men have their own script that they follow, and, yes, “no amount of hand-waving waving is going to change that”…

    [editor: true. that script is called “youth and beauty”. you must be reading a different blog than the one i write here if you think i ever claimed otherwise.]

    I see, and talk to men, much too often that have the fantastical counterpart to the idealization of the inmates: the damaged and rough man idealizing innocence and virtue on the part of the woman, settling down time and time again with these naive young women, finding no connect, finding no common truth with them, playing out ideals and hiding their true selves, sometimes hoping for redemption, wondering why they stray, wondering why they aren’t happy, wondering why the don’t respect their partner.

    Doug1,

    It only takes me a few mental steps to get inside the head of women with idealized hopes and dreams of their men behind bars. It’s just a generalization though, and certainly not accurate for all.

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  78. Forgive the denseness, but please elaborate on how so different:

    I don’t know. A large number of women in prison report being propositioned, seduced, coerced, and/or raped by guards.

    [editor: female inmates being raped by guards is not the same as male inmates being loved by women far removed from the penal system. just thought you should know.]

    [editor: as we know, men are less discriminating in who they will fuck. male guards are in a unique position of power to get easy access to vagina without consequence, and female guards are probably all bulldykes. so the fact that guards are sport-fucking female inmates and going home to their none-the-wiser wives and lesbian lovers tells us nothing about the sincere, desperate love that warms the hearts of so many women who fall for killer men despite these women not having the advantage of any power differential or for that matter, any lack of options in the outside world.]

    guards fucking caged women is NOT the same as women celibately pining for a caged man

    [editor: except that these women see the DR guys all the time, and sometimes they spend whole weekends together. many lifers get parole and the women are waiting for them at the prison gaits, jumping into their arms in loving ecstacy. this isn’t fantasy so much as it is delayed reality.]

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  79. More vindication of the Roissy worldview:

    Girl’s fiance attacks her mother and stabs her brother (pro soccer player) repeatedly in the legs probably ending his career. What does this paragon of moral virtue do:

    “Miss Davenport, 28, who is expecting his baby, attended the hearing, clearly showing a black eye. She sobbed as he was brought up from the cells and mouthed ‘I love you’.”

    whole thing:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208331/Premier-League-footballer-Calum-Davenport-stabbed-legs-race-row-sister.html#ixzz0PnN2UVMv

    [editor: sickening. if i was the brother i would devise a scenario to have the sister framed for the tragic murder of her baby.]

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  80. I kind of have a theory on why women like guys who kill.
    (Refute or add on to this idea.)

    For a very long time when we all lived in tribes men had to compete for women, and thats if instant pair bonding wasn’t available by relative status.

    More often then not the men had to kill others for a female, and even when they did win, they still had to fend for her also from any other men potentially wanting to get with her. Granted this would be a very long time ago when we really were animals (we still are but its more subtle now)

    Now this could also be why men don’t find women who kill more attractive. The women back then just had to look pretty and fit.

    This could all be hardwired to women, just like how “approach anxiety” is hardwired into men.

    My theory may be flawed or whatever but it sounds plausible.

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  81. editor-

    Won.

    BMM-

    In case you aren’t familiar with Charles Manson, he convinced people to murder for him, and I remember one reporter saying that he was a very easy guy to talk to; very likable if you didn’t know that he was a murderer

    -On a side note, about the the guy who kidnapped a girl and held her hostage for 18 years, they’re reporting that his wife met him while he was in prison, knew about his previous crimes, and when he got out that she may have helped him kidnap the girl.

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  82. Women are attracted to men that other men are afraid of, be it socially, financially, or physically.

    Physically afraid is the most primal kind of fear, and probably inspires the most primal kind of attraction from amoral females.

    Have any of you ever noticed some women go for the physically largest man they can find? Once in a while, you will see a 5 foot 4 inch cute chick with a guy who is damn near 6 foot 6, ugly-as-hell, beer belly, tattoos, classless, tasteless, and deeply stupid. What is she there *for*? Talking to this kind of girl usually will reveal a assuming, resentful, bossy personality. She has obtained the bully she always wished that she could be herself. His presence assures that she will be taken seriously and even feared. It makes her gina tingle because she is immoral.

    People dont like thinking about ugly things and dismiss them from their minds, so subjects such as the above dont get pondered all that much, especially in print.

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  83. Reminds me of this saturday night…in the dupont circle area…there was this guy getting arrested and there were all the hot girls sitting their on the curb watching on….looking horny as shit…

    didn’t give a fuck about the rest of the guys…only him

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  84. Does anyone here work in the prison system at all?

    I’d be really curious to know what percentage of letters being exchanged by inmates are in fact “love letters”.

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  85. al:

    the guards in the prisons do not look at their “relations” with female inmates as exclusive, in any way shape or form.

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  86. Assanova, check the pic of the woman who held the girl hostage along with her hubby whom she met while he was in prison. Not Alpha Female. Looks barely literate.

    Charles Manson convinced DRUGGIES to kill for him. Their braincells were shot. And do you consider “Squeeky” hot?

    My point is we are talking about very low class, intellectually deprived people here.

    On another note, in the name of brotherhood I’m letting you know what some anonymous readers and perhaps commenters are saying about y’all here;

    “That blog allows men who are normally overlooked (exception epoxy 87) in real life. They are the quiet timid office worker who does whatever he is told.

    Some of the men who post there are also not very good=looking(not meant as a slur),very short(+chic), have red hair, physical disabilities, and socially awkward(ie autism spectrum ). ”

    OUCH!!!

    the “have red hair” part is especially funny.

    is it true?

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  87. “[editor: true. that script is called “youth and beauty”. you must be reading a different blog than the one i write here if you think i ever claimed otherwise.]

    I mostly find it amusing that the female script is constantly ridiculed, while the male script, the script that must have its oft-mocked counterpart for its own success, is supported and held up as gold.

    [editor: you mistake truth revealing for ridicule. the ridicule is simply a tool to proffer the truth with maximum impact. if the knowledge of women’s insatiable appetite for violent men was as commonly understood and appreciated by women as is the knowledge of men’s desire for young hotties is understood and appreciated by men, then what i wrote in this post would strike many as patently obvious and unworthy of elucidation, and certainly not worthy of any emotional reaction as we are seeing here among the female commenters.]

    Youth and beauty, yes, you have claimed that repeatedly. I don’t deny that. But even in your quest for said youth and beauty, innocence must come with it. I find this too much like Claudio (Much Ado About Nothing), with its evo-psych support, the only logic that I see behind it to be that of a girlfriend that would stray and bring home other men’s brats, and the social shame.

    Would you rather have a beautiful, young slut or an average, mid-twenties virgin? Which becomes your preference?

    [editor: false distinction. most truly beautiful women are less slutty than average looking women. but if such a choice presented itself, i would have a polyamorous fling with the hot slut and pawn off the average-looking virgin as a wingwoman to pick up hotter virgins.]

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  88. on August 31, 2009 at 5:08 pm Cannon's Canon

    “Prison inmates–and the women who part their legs for them–are merely the tail end of a spectrum shared by all.”

    It’s the same as women-beaters and their lovers, in economic proportions. In the domestic violence spectrum, the face-push, wrist grab, wall punch, or even backhand might ring the bell curve most deeply (not the sanctimonious beatdown, and not the limp-wristed apology). In the murderer spectrum, DR inmates are at the tail end of the bell curve. Alluding to the capacity to kill strikes that bell the loudest. Being a fucking hipster douche? Well, it works for some guys for a while.

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  89. No doubt your observations are well-taken, Roissy, but I believe there is another element to it, one that might also apply to Game.

    These men are most likely sociopaths. Now, the think about a sociopath is that they can be among the most charming people alive. There was an interesting article in the New Yorker a year or so ago about sociopaths and research into them. Apparently a danger of researching them is becoming their friend and beginning to aid them in their schemes. As you would predict, the one example highlighted was a woman who was ‘turned’ by her sociopathic research subject, helped him try to escape and had become so enamored of him that she had begun behaving like a sociopath herself (effortless lies), though perhaps you might say that he had merely freed her inherently sociopathic woman’s soul.

    So the tie to game would be, in my mind, the following:
    If you’re a person who has no friends, who feels constantly walked on by the world and you see this whole subsegment of humanity who are so good at getting their way and making friends, why would you not at least try to emulate them? “Oh, but they’re evil”, Society says, “they manipulate people and are just gaining friedship for their own sick ends! Don’t be like that!”

    Ah, yes. But they do have friends. And they do get their way. Why is it wrong for a ‘normal’ person to try to emulate that? Use those powers for good, in other words?

    Same thing with Game. “Don’t be an asshole just because assholes get girls! Women should be loved and respected!”

    But if you’re a “good” person who loves and respects women, why not use the successful asshole techniques to gain a woman’s love so you can heap all the love and respect she can take before kicking you to the curb.

    I guess in either case the danger is that you get seduced by your newfound power and end up becoming “evil” like the sociopath or the asshole-pussy-magnet. But at least you won’t be lonely anymore…

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  90. “If photos of topless women at biker rallies are any indication…”………….

    It’s not.

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  91. on August 31, 2009 at 5:10 pm Cannon's Canon

    I remember when Vern Schillinger’s son sent Tobias Beecher a love letter in prison… it was a package with his kid’s hand in it.

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  92. MACBETH

    We will proceed no further in this business:
    He hath honour’d me of late; and I have bought
    Golden opinions from all sorts of people,
    Which would be worn now in their newest gloss,
    Not cast aside so soon.

    LADY MACBETH

    Was the hope drunk
    Wherein you dress’d yourself? hath it slept since?
    And wakes it now, to look so green and pale
    At what it did so freely? From this time
    Such I account thy love. Art thou afeard
    To be the same in thine own act and valour
    As thou art in desire? Wouldst thou have that
    Which thou esteem’st the ornament of life,
    And live a coward in thine own esteem,
    Letting ‘I dare not’ wait upon ‘I would,’
    Like the poor cat i’ the adage?

    MACBETH

    Prithee, peace:
    I dare do all that may become a man;
    Who dares do more is none.

    LADY MACBETH

    What beast was’t, then,
    That made you break this enterprise to me?
    When you durst do it, then you were a man;
    And, to be more than what you were, you would
    Be so much more the man. Nor time nor place
    Did then adhere, and yet you would make both:
    They have made themselves, and that their fitness now
    Does unmake you. I have given suck, and know
    How tender ’tis to love the babe that milks me:
    I would, while it was smiling in my face,
    Have pluck’d my nipple from his boneless gums,
    And dash’d the brains out, had I so sworn as you
    Have done to this.

    MACBETH

    If we should fail?

    LADY MACBETH

    We fail!
    But screw your courage to the sticking-place,
    And we’ll not fail. When Duncan is asleep–
    Whereto the rather shall his day’s hard journey
    Soundly invite him–his two chamberlains
    Will I with wine and wassail so convince
    That memory, the warder of the brain,
    Shall be a fume, and the receipt of reason
    A limbeck only: when in swinish sleep
    Their drenched natures lie as in a death,
    What cannot you and I perform upon
    The unguarded Duncan? what not put upon
    His spongy officers, who shall bear the guilt
    Of our great quell?

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  93. I can’t seem to crystallize my thoughts so I can even be coherent internally, but something like:
    – men generally are all about the sex
    – men generally prefer to not be monogamous
    – men are willing to have sex and perhaps reproduce with jailed women

    – women generally are looking to hook up with and retain the ‘best’ one around
    – preferably this retainage includes monogamy from him
    – women therefore find and retain the alphaest of the man who is “committing” to her

    It’s taking different forms, due to different natures, but idiot women falling hard for inmates are acting out their femaleness while male guards having relations (physical, but perhaps more too) with available females are acting out their maleness.

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  94. For all of you love-lorn men pining for women who jealously pine for prison inmates, I challenge you to actually enter a jail or prison during visiting hours and check out those “hotties” for yourselves.

    Believe me, you’ve got nothing to be envious over.

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  95. on August 31, 2009 at 5:15 pm JEW BITCH GREED DEATH OF THE WEST

    The “civilization” phase witnesses drastic social upheavals, mass movements of peoples, continual wars and constant crises. All this takes place along with the growth of the great “megalopolis” — huge urban and suburban centers that sap the surrounding countrysides of their vitality, intellect, strength, and soul. The inhabitants of these urban conglomerations — now the bulk of the populace — are a rootless, soulless, godless, and materialistic mass, who love nothing more than their panem et circenses. From these come the subhuman “fellaheen” — fitting participants in the dying-out of a culture.

    With the civilization phase comes the rule of Money and its twin tools, Democracy and the Press. Money rules over the chaos, and only Money profits by it. But the true bearers of the culture — the men whose souls are still one with the culture-soul — are disgusted and repelled by the Money-power and its fellaheen, and act to break it, as they are compelled to do so — and as the mass culture-soul compels finally the end of the dictatorship of money. Thus the civilization phase concludes with the Age of Caesarism, in which great power come into the hands of great men, helped in this by the chaos of late Money-rule. The advent of the Caesars marks the return of Authority and Duty, of Honor and “Blood,” and the end of democracy.

    http://www.library.flawlesslogic.com/speng.htm

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  96. ROISSY,

    Do you think leftists have been running Game on all of us through freshman orientations and political correctness?

    READ THIS, http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2009/08/by_matt_shaffer_my_freshman.html
    Its Matt Shaffer’s experience in freshman orientation at Yale.

    I bet you, Roissy, could spot the framing tactics, the never-ending neg, the DHV’s, the DLV’s, and the social takeways, the negative and positive reinforcement that the school president, dean of the law school, and various other members of the brass incuclcated in the white male freshman on that day.

    The speakers that the freshMEN were forced to listen to prattled on ALL DAY about how white males were prejudiced againt Muslim-Americans and Homosexuals. White males were told that they were part of the oppressive-ethno-sexual-patriarchy-oppressing these groups from the word go: FRAMING and NEGS, all in one swoop.
    Examples during the speech, no doubt pulled from the media would serve as DLV’s toward the white males (insert the latest staged-faux hate crime here).
    Having entire months of the year dedicated to the mediocre achievements of every group under the sun except white males would serve as DHV’s directed at everyone except white males.
    Negative reinforcement is applied by academic discrimination (Ever had an essay unfairly graded by an English professor who hated the fact you were a smart white male? yeah, me too). Positive reinforcement is awarded when the white male abases himself and his group.

    Its Game, and its run at Harvard, Duke, Yale, Berkley and just about every private arts college one can attend. Viewing episodes of MSNBC news can be like watching a meta-photographic-negative of game, reverse-engineered to lower the self esteem and self-love of one group in particular.

    Conservatives would do well to identify this, adopt a system of nomenclature to its component parts, and break it down for audience, so everyone knows exactly what it going on so it can be derided and laughed to scorn when it even *starts* being applied.

    Note: One of the reasons I was so dubious about game is because unleashing the mass usage of psychology can hurt people emotionally in ways that is difficult to rebuild, like a truly battered spouse. Upon reconsideration, the good, nice guys out there in America who make this place go have been having agiti-prop-mass-cultural-marxist-game run on them for their entire lives, and so they need game just to be able to fight back.

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  97. MeanBone … one can always be an optimist 🙂

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  98. In my beta days I would put women on pedestals. After reading Roissy’s blog, I don’t think I could ever do that again. (A good thing.)

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  99. on August 31, 2009 at 5:21 pm on the other end of the curve

    I watched a young man with Multiple Sclerosis die. scrawny, bed ridden with 24/7 help to wash and wipe him for years. about 6 attractive young women sobbing at his bedside. I can’t believe they had lust for him, but they genuinely seemed to be in love with him……..all of them…………the other end of the female attraction curve.

    [editor: sounds like you’re mistaking compassion for lust. or maybe he had a 13″ schlong.]

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  100. Poetry of Flesh

    I mostly find it amusing that the female script is constantly ridiculed, while the male script, the script that must have its oft-mocked counterpart for its own success, is supported and held up as gold.

    Here, on this blog, you’re largely right.

    In the big wide American feminist media world out there you’re entirely wrong.

    Male desire for beauty over brains is constantly ridiculed and socially shamed, with some degree of effectiveness, at least when choosing wives. So to men’s natural desire for considerably younger women, especially as they get into their late twenties and early thirties and thereafter is also feminist shamed to the maximum extent they can manage it. First of all the age gap shaming is aimed at girls but both sexes.

    These feminist propaganda efforts have had an effect. Men used to marry much younger women routinely. Partly this was part of the provider male requirement but partly it was male preference.

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  101. editor: i posted a forum of women in love with killers. you posted a single article written by, presumably though it’s hard to tell by this google result you pulled up, a man talking about loving a female prisoner. nice JOOOORB, spungen or a spungen-like facsimile.]

    Oh, I’m sorry, I should have posted another article, as obviously the plural of anecdote around here is data.

    [editor: or better yet, spoogen or a spoogen facsimile, you could stop being a disingenuous dullard and realize that there are only a fraction of anecdotes of men falling for female killers as there are entire forums devoted to the thousands upon thousands of women who fall in love with killer men.]

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  102. *passes popcorn to al and anon*

    Oh boy is Whiskey going to blow on this one in 5,4,3,2

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  103. Being a fucking hipster douche? Well, it works for some guys for a while.

    I amused myself for several hours yesterday watching two girls wiggle all over themselves chatting up a perfect East Village hipster dude. The girls got totally miffed when our third friend told them to lay off – she was saving him for a fourth friend. I was in stitches.

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  104. on August 31, 2009 at 5:27 pm on the other end of the curve

    [editor: sounds like you’re mistaking compassion for lust. or maybe he had a 13″ schlong.]

    As I stated, I doubt it was lust, but their words and actions sounded like polygamous love.

    [editor: your doubt, and your absurd, likely fabricated or mormonic, exception to the rule, are duly noted, anony. ps still against mandated paternity testing? or shall i go back to shitting in your mouth again until you come around to a more just way of thinking?]

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  105. Many of these women are solid 8/9’s. Who could get pretty much most men, and certainly Nathaniel Schnerdling.

    Assanova — I dunno. *I* got into a LOT of fights during HS. I was always new guy, ran/run my mouth (a lot), on the small side, lots of attitude, would never back down. I got into a LOT of fights, and was your typical loner guy too. I got attention only once (which I quickly killed with beta eagerness), the rest of the time I might as well have been invisible. Of course my idea of a good time was ditching school to spend the day … at the Central Library. All those books! The guys who had the most action were starters on the football team who had nice cars. It was definitely a class-concious school.

    I think the Asshole part of game has to be as much attitude as willingness to fight, i.e. not being impressed/grateful for female attention. Like it’s your due, expected.

    [I won about half, lost about half, of the fights, but always made my presence known, i.e. get my licks in, FWIW.]

    Second Meanbone’s analysis. Poetry — Dalrymple’s nurses and female patients could have had any kind of men. They despised “boring” men who were nice, polite, considerate, and chose men who beat them, sometimes at work, in view of everyone. They still loved them. Because they wished violent domination. It’s the ugly part of female nature (rest assured men’s nature has equally, but different ugliness).

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  106. blighter:

    I guess in either case the danger is that you get seduced by your newfound power and end up becoming “evil” like the sociopath or the asshole-pussy-magnet. But at least you won’t be lonely anymore…

    The growing realization by men everywhere as to just what it is that gets ginas a-tingling is creating a new crop of sociopaths.

    Does this disturb women?

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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  107. *passes popcorn to al and anon*

    eh, I don’t really have an opinion, or care. In some ways I don’t see this as all that different than women who only love military men, aka LR’s claims.

    and I don’t care about the guards-women, inmate-penpal thing, it’s intellectual curiosity as I reacted as seeing it as similar, assuming for gender differences. If I’m wrong, then I just want to see the pathway to correct answer.

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  108. BMM:

    For all of you love-lorn men pining for women who jealously pine for prison inmates, I challenge you to actually enter a jail or prison during visiting hours and check out those “hotties” for yourselves.

    No one here is pining for these women.

    The women illustrate a point.

    Such women are the tail end of a gradual curve that maps most women.

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  109. “Many of these women are solid 8/9’s. Who could get pretty much most men, and certainly Nathaniel Schnerdling.”……

    Hum no, women who run after inmates are NOT solid 8/9s.

    Most of them smoke more than a pack of ciggies per day and look like Merle Haggard.

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  110. “In some ways I don’t see this as all that different than women who only love military men”…………….

    Don’t hate. Appreciate.

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  111. [editor: you mistake truth revealing for ridicule. the ridicule is simply a tool to proffer the truth with maximum impact. if the knowledge of women’s insatiable appetite for violent men was as commonly understood and appreciated by women as is the knowledge of men’s desire for young hotties is understood and appreciated by men, then what i wrote in this post would strike many as patently obvious and unworthy of elucidation, and certainly not worthy of any emotional reaction as we are seeing here among the female commenters.]

    You mistake an individual reality as a universal truth, sir.

    [editor: where have i said that men lusting for young hot babes was an individual reality?]

    This blog allows likeminded individuals to gather in one place, strengthening that reality through group effort, but it is still just one idea of reality among millions.

    [you write like a postmodern relativist.]

    I appreciate violent men. I appreciate being dominated.

    [whoomp there it is! no wonder you balk at that post. i’m shoving your id right back into your face.]

    I appreciate knowing that my partner has the ability to kill for me. I revel in male strength and I adore submitting to it. But this self-knowledge and acceptance came through experience, came through sexual experience.

    [came through gina tingles, it did!]

    If you truly wanted women to be aware of their desires, this exploration of self and sexuality would be rewarded instead of mocked.

    [are you saying women should be rewarded for falling in love with murderers?]

    For a woman, at any age, at any level of attractiveness, to be experienced and aware enough of their own base desires… I don’t think you’d know what to do with them.

    [the level of difficulty of inserting penis into vagina isn’t that high.]

    But then, you didn’t actually say that you desired women to have such knowledge of themselves.

    [vapid new age drivel won’t get you far in this thunderdome.]

    And while I, admittedly, have been skimming the majority of the other comments, I haven’t seen any emotional outbursts from your female readers. I’ll have to look again, later, when work isn’t so hectic.

    [you are having one right now. emotional hackles don’t have to rise to the level of outburst to prove my point.]

    [editor: false distinction. most truly beautiful women are less slutty than average looking women. but if such a choice presented itself, i would have a polyamorous fling with the hot slut and pawn off the average-looking virgin as a wingwoman to pick up hotter virgins.]

    If you are unable to answer the question without negating your previous statement, you could just say so. I would think more of you than I do at this attempt at avoidance.

    [i answered your question without negating the main point of my post. that you can’t comprehend it or that you see something in what i’ve written that i didn’t write isn’t my semantical crisis.]

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  112. Chic:

    *passes popcorn to al and anon*

    Oh boy is Whiskey going to blow on this one in 5,4,3,2

    And in 5,4,3,2….*you’re* going to stamp your feet and give us the usual Chic Noir pseudo-bewilderment:

    “Gosh, it’s just SO strange….it’s SOOO weird. I simply CAN’T understand women who do this…*I* would never do this…”

    And then in a few days when Roissy mentions that chicks dig jerks, you’ll conveniently forget everything about this post and continue on wagging your finger at Roissy as if he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

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  113. on August 31, 2009 at 5:40 pm The Fifth Horseman

    I agree with Tupac – no one ‘pines’ for these women.

    This topic merely illustrates the psychological traits of a sizable minority of women, that has extremely negative ramifications for society as a whole when the controlling mechanisms of their parents, extended family, or religious body are removed.

    We see what has happened in black America, where thuggist traits carry social prestige among young people (which was not the case even 25 years ago). This will start to creep into parts of white America as well.

    The forces that could get decent Betas married to decent women are now eroded. This hurts everyone in society. THAT is the point.

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  114. [editor: or better yet, spoogen or a spoogen facsimile, you could stop being a disingenuous dullard and realize that there are only a fraction of anecdotes of men falling for female killers as there are entire forums devoted to the thousands upon thousands of women who fall in love with killer men.]

    How many female killers are there as opposed to male killers? And of those female killers, how many are reasonably attractive, as opposed to old, or looking quite beat up by life? Men have absolutely no problem being attracted to women criminals, it is just that the proportion is much smaller. Also, except for guards, most men realize that the chance of having sex with a lifer is slim to none. For some women, the no sex clause that comes with dating a prisoner is part of the appeal.

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  115. Roissy,
    I agree with this week’s thesis but am disappointed by this post. While this article clearly shows that chicks are definitely craving some drld it doesn’t show the causes of attraction. Chances are that these inmates are not writing letters that are cocky/alpha/asshole. “I rounded up the boys and we raped Big John today. Now he’ll know who runs cellblock7.” Anyway, let’s see some cause and effect asshole behavior followed by wet panties.

    [editor: the asshole prerequisite was met by the very fact of these men being on death row. similar to the handicap principle, an alpha male can get away with some betaness as long as his primary asshole cred is established.]

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  116. An old joke, but appropriate here:

    A man walks into a bar, sitting at the counter. He has a pasty complexion and his clothes look like something from the 80s. A woman saunters over to him and says “Hiya, I don’t think I’ve seen you in here before.”

    The man takes a long swig of his beer before answering, “Nope. I just got out of prison. I hacked my wife to pieces and fed to the dogs.”

    The woman sidles closer to him and says “So you’re single?”

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  117. You can be dangerous and not be a jerk. The most dangerous men also tend to be the most charming (Charles Manson).

    Another good example is Hans Lander in the new Tarantino flick…

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  118. The English story is even worse that the Daily Mail. The BBC lead: “Two men have been arrested over the stabbing of West Ham United footballer Calum Davenport AND HIS MOTHER, police have said.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8216100.stm [emphasis added].

    And his mother!?!! Unreal. (‘Course it is England in the time of Dalrymple so I’m wondering if his mother = his sister’s mother = the bitch mouthing I love you to the attempted murderer or if there’s some convoluted step-mum step-dad step-this crap going on…)

    “We heard some shouting. He was stabbed in the leg several times. His mum was there and was attacked as well.” Id.

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  119. whiskey–

    Many of these women are solid 8/9’s. Who could get pretty much most men, and certainly Nathaniel Schnerdling.

    You’re completely making that up. As you do so much of what you write.

    Not from what i have seen. As well on this I believe BMM far more than you.

    I KNEW this post would be crack for you (as btw did Chic Noir), and that you’d take it even further.

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  120. tupac “Gosh, it’s just SO strange….it’s SOOO weird. I simply CAN’T understand women who do this…*I* would never do this…”

    Nope, not chic. I would have done that in the first comment.
    I Don’t care to argue the blog host ideas these days. I just sit back and observe.

    Look tupac
    *points to the far right cornor*

    Is that Patrickh with your woman?

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  121. on August 31, 2009 at 5:49 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Damn… I was always unsure about capital punishment, but these letters make a strong case in favor! These women are almost as sick, the 16 married women who responded to that personal ad… just mind boggling.

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  122. This topic merely illustrates the psychological traits of a sizable minority of women, that has extremely negative ramifications for society as a whole when the controlling mechanisms of their parents, extended family, or religious body are removed.

    What is the ratio of women prisoner pen pals
    to women as a whole? 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in 1000? An ifinitely small proportion of people, used as an example to represent the whole. I doubt very much it is a sizable minority. After all, it isn’t a very good evolutionary strategy to pine for someone who you can never have. Pretty much only the bottom-feeders would go for it, because their other options aren’t looking that great.

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  123. doug1 I KNEW this post would be crack for you (as btw did Chic Noir), and that you’d take it even further

    *high 5′, a cigar, and gin& tonic to doug*

    It’s funny how well we know our old buddy huh 😆

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  124. Wow. More:

    “Goal.com sources have learned that the attackers deliberately targeted Davenport’s legs in an attempt to end his professional career and that the defender and his family knew the assailants, who allegedly possessed a grudge against them. Calum’s sister Cara, 28, was at the house at the time of the crime, but was not hurt.

    “There is currently a police guard outside the private hospital room Calum is being treated in. The ex-Coventry player’s mother is also in a “serious” condition in hospital with stomach wounds.”

    http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/08/23/1455959/west-hams-calum-davenport-may-have-leg-amputated-after

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  125. Cara sounds like a sweetheart.

    “Friends last night revealed that the father of Cara’s first child is a notorious armed robber serving life in prison. Neville Knight, 35, lived the high life in the Caribbean on loot from brutal armed raids. He and Cara had baby Calum Junior together in 2005, her pals said.”
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2605061/Calum-Davenports-sister-mouths-to-stab-suspect-I-love-you.html

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  126. this Davenport case is exactly why we need Lawrence Auster. If he could just stop talking about game and concentrated where his talents are…….

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  127. [editor: where have i said that men lusting for young hot babes was an individual reality?]

    Apologies. I thought we were talking more towards revealing the “truth” of women’s ignorance of their own desires, and lack of awareness of their sexual scripts. My mistake.

    [editor: if women were so aware of their basest desires, then why are women the first to express incredulity when i present their natures on a platter, garnished with wit, as i did in this post? do you really think women are as forthright with what really turns them on as men are about their masculine desires?]

    [you write like a postmodern relativist.]

    Failing to see how this is relevant, but sure, sometimes I do.

    [relevancy: obscurantist.]

    [whoomp there it is! no wonder you balk at that post. i’m shoving your id right back into your face.]

    …seriously, kids? My id is quite happily frolicking out and about with others. There’s no balking at all, as many would attest.

    [funny you don’t sound happy at the moment.]

    [are you saying women should be rewarded for falling in love with murderers?]

    Heheheheh, yes. I’m totally saying that. I think that, which each murderer a woman falls in love with, she should get 300 tickets, and with each subsequent child, she will get an additional 150 tickets. At this rate, her reward will be one of those blow-up hammers, but only if she’s got a good arm for skee-ball.

    [glibness aside, do you think women who fall in love with killers should be rewarded with emotional support and understanding?]

    Come on, Roissy. We’re not talking about love, we’re talking about sex, and not necessarily with inmates. (Though I would love one of those inflatable hammers if you have one lying around.)

    [no, we are talking about love. those letters penned to death row inmates were professions of love. the entire forum was filled with pleading questions from women in desperate love with murderers.]

    [the level of difficulty of inserting penis into vagina isn’t that high.]

    Depends on what difficulty level it’s set on. Also, really?

    [yes, really. re-read what you wrote, which you had the good sense to excise from this comment.]

    [vapid new age drivel won’t get you far in this thunderdome.]

    Hey, if you give me that inflatable hammer and I walk in with my new age drivel, I’ll conquer you all.

    [new age drivel conquers the weak of mind. the strong see it for what it is.]

    [you are having one right now. emotional hackles don’t have to rise to the level of outburst to prove my point.]

    I’m not actually… eh, being emotional or upset by this. I needed a distraction at work, something that wouldn’t take too much time or thought, but would still keep me mildly engaged. And then I saw you had a blog post that I found interesting, and mostly agreed with. Which I tend to about half the time, anyhow.

    [i answered your question without negating the main point of my post. that you can’t comprehend it or that you see something in what i’ve written that i didn’t write isn’t my semantical crisis.]

    No, what you did was take my question and answer it in a sideways manner, avoiding the intent, avoiding declaring preference over innocence or beauty, making it so that I would have to rephrase it to some outlandish situation involving a desert island, two women, a fire pit, and some granola bars, and even then you would find a comically dismissing, alpha male way to respond to it (which, in truth, I would probably laugh at in appreciation).

    [actually, you are wrong. you asked:

    “Would you rather have a beautiful, young slut or an average, mid-twenties virgin? Which becomes your preference?”

    i answered:

    “false distinction. most truly beautiful women are less slutty than average looking women. but if such a choice presented itself, i would have a polyamorous fling with the hot slut and pawn off the average-looking virgin as a wingwoman to pick up hotter virgins.

    so my preference would be a fling with the hot slut and wingwoman duties for the plain jane virgin. do note that the plain jane’s virginity has no impact on my choice of which of the two to flingfuck, as the only pertinent variable for me, and for most men, would be the hotness of the girl. if, otoh, you were clearer about your contrived scenario, and the choice to me was that i could only have sex with one and no other girl for one night, then the choice would be the hotter chick, regardless of her sluttiness or chasteness.]

    And that’s fine.

    But it’s still avoiding it. It’s not a matter of semantics.

    [it’s a matter of comprehension, which you lacked.]

    Just as you took my previous comment and, instead of responding in a continued discussion, turned it into very mild insults, cultural references, and nothing of actual intelligent value.

    [tell me again how you’re not emotionally reacting to what i write here.]

    Which just made a little social statement.

    [it certainly did. but not the one you were hoping for.]

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  128. whiskey –

    I dunno. *I* got into a LOT of fights during HS. I was always new guy, ran/run my mouth (a lot), on the small side, lots of attitude, would never back down. I got into a LOT of fights, and was your typical loner guy too. I got attention only once (which I quickly killed with beta eagerness), the rest of the time I might as well have been invisible. Of course my idea of a good time was ditching school to spend the day … at the Central Library. All those books! The guys who had the most action were starters on the football team who had nice cars. It was definitely a class-concious school.

    Oh beta please! Your usual histrionics are pretty hilarious but trying to convincing anyone here that you’ve been in an actual fight is just ridiculous.

    Kicking your little cousin’s ass with fake ‘rastlin moves in the backyard makeshift ring don’t count son.

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  129. @ Assanova:

    “And everyone knows that the harder it is for a couple to actually be together, the stronger the feelings are.”

    Why do you think this is? Anyone have any idea why this is practically universal (and not just for females either)? Is there any other explanation for this besides people wanting to get what they can’t have / those things that are JUST out of their reach?

    Is this some human drive that makes things complicated by pursuing those things that we want but don’t have? Even when something just as good or even better is within our reach, sometimes right in front of our face ready for the taking… we still go after those things that we don’t have access to… is there a psychological factor? Or are we evolutionarily wired that way?

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  130. PA

    Did Tim McVeigh get love letters (other than from Gore Vidal)? Say what you want about him, he died like a man.

    My ex’s little sister (college grad, smart, not bad looking) had a crush on him. She once said: “he’s so hot.” I’ll bet millions of American women had gina tingles all at once when they saw him on TV in an orange jumpsuit with that stern, cold-blooded expression on his face.

    Isn’t that an odd concept? A mass gina tingle… That is some serious food for thought right there. I’ll have to sleep on that one.

    BTW, the Jaycee Dugard story is starting to look like another alpha male with harem example. Evidently, the kidnapped woman never even thought of running away, and she had plenty of opportunities as well as interaction with the outside world.

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  131. Alphas play, betas pay.

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  132. Poetry of Flesh is the living proof of how the sluttier the girl is, the heavier in the weight she places on the physical appearance of the men

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  133. whiskey I was always new guy, ran/run my mouth (a lot), on the small side, lots of attitude, would never back down.

    DF to whiskey Oh beta please! Your usual histrionics are pretty hilarious but trying to convincing anyone here that you’ve been in an actual fight is just ridiculous

    Actually DF, Whiskey runs his mouth a lot here, it wouldn’t take him long to make enemies in the none e-world.

    I see him as more a standup type fighter, not someone who would punch the other guy when his head was turned.

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  134. Chuck says, “It’s sad to think that these “women of lifers” most likely do *not* cheat on their man whereas wives of soldiers cheat on theirs with complete lack of remorse. Shows what women value in a relationship.”

    It could just as easily show what men value in relationships.

    Apparently these days it takes a man being imprisoned to appreciate and actually select for loyalty.

    [editor: way to dodge.]

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  135. gig
    Poetry of Flesh is the living proof of how the sluttier the girl is, the heavier in the weight she places on the physical appearance of the men

    This isn’t always true. All women enjoy looking at a good looking man.

    Or how about the more financially independant a woman is, the heavier in the weight she places on the physical appearance of the men

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  136. Yawn, nothing new here. Women like alphas regardless of their status, something that most of us who read the blog have come to understand. Nothing to see here unless you’re a beta who’s stupid enough to believe in love and female attraction to beta males.

    [editor: your entire existence is a testament to making excuses for not busting a move.]

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  137. David Horowitz (Look him up in Wikipedia) noted that all the female lawyers helping the Black Panthers (guys in jail) were screwing their clients, in the nicest sense.

    No. There is nothing “low class” about wanting to screw murderers.

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  138. [editor: your entire existence is a testament to making excuses for not busting a move.]

    he has his “chruch” values he must uphold.

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  139. This English story is getting more and more on point….

    “Knight… was sentenced to life after admitting three robberies, an attempted robbery and asking for three more to be taken in to consideration. A career criminal with a history of violent offences, he was also jailed for possession of a firearm.”
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23418211-details/Bonnie+and+Clyde+gang+jailed/article.do

    That’s from back in October 07. Oh, btw, that story has him doing those crimes with… wait for it… another girl. [Neville Knight, 32, and his girlfriend Penny White, 25, were part of a gang of four who staged raids… Id.] Meanwhile, from the earlier story, Cara has NK’s baby in ’05.

    That girlfriend’s barrister reportedly told the court “her crimes began when she began dating Knight.” http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article395888.ece

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  140. your entire existence is a testament to making excuses for not busting a move

    Disillusionment, porn addiction, and sheer laziness with a dash of good old fashioned unfounded elitism can do that to a man.

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  141. How much you wanna bet David Alexander is a good-lookin’ kid?

    I picture him to look like my son, actually.

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  142. What caused the disillusionment DA? Was it all the HBD reading you do?

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  143. Chuck says, “It’s sad to think that these “women of lifers” most likely do *not* cheat on their man whereas wives of soldiers cheat on theirs with complete lack of remorse. Shows what women value in a relationship.”

    …………………….

    Please, my wife did NOT cheat on me.

    Plus, I know that those inmate lovers DO.

    Again guys, take a stroll down to your local jailhouse during visiting hours and check out the scene…..

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  144. “What caused the disillusionment DA? Was it all the HBD reading you do?”…………..

    DA is black. If anything the HBD reading would embolden him to fulfill his role as TSG Testosterone Sex God.

    He may have issues from childhood….

    Rejected by his second grade teacher whom he had a crush on or something.

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  145. @BMM- DA posted his pic here before. he is cute in a nerdy urkle or blk woody allen way. And tell me about to your comment in the Kennedy post.

    @joe- those people drove his already low self-esteem into the ground.

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  146. Male desire for beauty over brains

    While I understand why men chase beautiful women for sexual pleasure, but for long-term purposes, wouldn’t one want children with the smart woman to ensure that the kids have something resembling an acceptable IQ?

    These feminist propaganda efforts have had an effect. Men used to marry much younger women routinely.

    Oddly, one could argue that there’s feminist shaming, but my female friends who have no qualms about using the word were the ones dating men who were five to ten years older. In turn, they kept pushing me to date younger women until they finally realized that I was an odd duck to be left alone, and just couldn’t understand why I was so against it. Plus, they hated the argument that the older men were lecherous, creepy losers, preying on “stupid girls” incapable of finding proper partners in their own age. They viewed it as insulting, but as a 25 year old, why would I want to date some stupid*, retarded 20 year old girl who has to be snuck into a bar and thinks the original Game Boy is a museum piece?

    *All hypothetical of course, since David doesn’t date, and David thinks bars are crawling with evil people.

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  147. Editor says, “[editor: way to dodge.]”

    Nope. I’m probably the first woman here to openly admit a preference for death comfy dudes. I get annoyed by people who are unaware of their own mortality. I prefer guys who find constructive ways to express that side of themselves, but as I get older, I’m learning to be realistic about my options and consider old shadies.

    Good little boys don’t like women like me anyway.

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  148. “death comfy dudes”?

    Nicole, please explain

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  149. Oh Gawd! I just read the letter excerpts you posted up here (previously I skipped ’em).

    SICK!

    First of all – this is NOT love! This is some sort of juvenile fantasy. They are not in love with these men, but in the fantasy and imagined potential of these men.

    I can’t believe those letters were written by women over 20.

    The writing is very teenager-sounding-ish.

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  150. [editor: if women were so aware of their basest desires, then why are women the first to express incredulity when i present their natures on a platter, garnished with wit, as i did in this post? do you really think women are as forthright with what really turns them on as men are about their masculine desires?]

    This returns to my previous comment, that women are not aware of their basest desires because they are taught not to be. How can one be aware of sex, of their own desires, if they are taught not to engage in sex, not to explore those desires. When you made this post, I agreed with you entirely, as you should see by my first comment. I find the majority women completely unaware of their own sexuality, their own desires, their own needs, and completely unable to acknowledge that, wrapping sexuality in drama and miscommunication that results in significant asshattery and tragically bad TV sitcoms.

    So we do not disagree.

    However, you seem content in keeping things this way by celebrating the naive, inexperienced woman. This is where we disagree.

    [funny you don’t sound happy at the moment.]

    Actually, I’m rather annoyed at the moment because the A/C seems to have shut off, and if you have not heard, LA is having a mini-heat wave and it is quite uncomfortable in here.

    If you’re refering to this conversation, I’m quite happy with it. You’re making me smile in humor and appreciation as much as I disagree with you.

    [yes, really. re-read what you wrote, which you had the good sense to excise from this comment.]

    I excised it because I was trying to keep this minimal, without a lot of quotes that would turn a comment into a nightmare tangle.

    If it makes you feel better, I said, “For a woman, at any age, at any level of attractiveness, to be experienced and aware enough of their own base desires… I don’t think you’d know what to do with them.”

    And I stand by that. Sex is simple, it’s people that make it hard. My “Also, really?” comment was more to express how much you dismissed my idea, acting as though all I was refering to was sex, and not the steps you would have to take to get there, or the hoops you would have to leap through, not to mention the lack of understanding.

    But I’m not going to go into that, at least not right now.

    [new age drivel conquers the weak of mind. the strong see it for what it is.]

    We define strength differently. And you read me wrong if you would ever suspect me of new age drivel.

    […if, otoh, you were clearer about your contrived scenario, and the choice to me was that i could only have sex with one and no other girl for one night, then the choice would be the hotter chick, regardless of her sluttiness or chasteness.]

    And that’s what I wanted to know. Thank you. Now if you had to go into a relationship with one of the two… then what would you do?

    [it’s a matter of comprehension, which you lacked.]

    Or a matter of effectively communicating your ideas.

    [tell me again how you’re not emotionally reacting to what i write here.]

    You’ll find it tends to take more than some faceless text on a screen to rile me. What would you have me do? Become offended or hurt that a man across the country is attempting to belittle me online? Ah, the horror, the horror. I shall go cry in the bathroom while listening to Linkin Park… if that will make you feel better.

    [it certainly did. but not the one you were hoping for.]

    I wasn’t looking for any, sir. I’m here to learn and exchange ideas, not prove myself on an internet forum. The people that interest me are ones I talk to in other venues, the people that don’t are of no matter.

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  151. To be honest these guys have to be pretty crazy to end up where they are in the first place behind bars, and likely there are going to be similar female wierdos who love them. Most attractive sensible women with options will find the prison bars alone enough reason not to be interested. There are enough attractive men on the outside for prisoners never to cross their minds….

    on an unrelated sidenote something struck me a while back…

    I think everyman here should be able to relate to that feeling you get right after you ejaculate….you know that feeling of horror, almost regret, “what was the point of that?” or “what a mess?” kinda runs through your head. For a second or two….you are disgusted…unless you have the sweetest, most adorable 9/10 lying in front of you…you want to run…. and just forget about it. The feeling is worst when confronted with a sweaty overweight, needy slut eager for more or a handful of semen and a sticky keyboard…..

    If only the sluts knew that feeling maybe they would reconsider, for there is no greater shame than that moment of disdain…..followed by the inevitable…. The fuck and flee is your destiny. It is mans nature.

    The refractory period, helping males pump and dump since pre-history.

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  152. To be honest these guys have to be pretty crazy to end up where they are in the first place behind bars, and likely there are going to be similar female wierdos who love them. Most attractive sensible women with options will find the prison bars alone enough reason not to be interested. There are enough attractive men on the outside for prisoners never to cross their minds….

    on an unrelated sidenote something struck me a while back…

    I think everyman here should be able to relate to that feeling you get right after you ejaculate….you know that feeling of horror, almost regret, “what was the point of that?” or “what a mess?” kinda runs through your head. For a second or two….you are disgusted…unless you have the sweetest, most adorable 9/10 lying in front of you…you want to run…. and just forget about it. The feeling is worst when confronted with a sweaty overweight, needy slut eager for more or a handful of semen and a sticky keyboard…..

    If only the sluts knew that feeling maybe they would reconsider, for there is no greater shame than that moment of disdain…..followed by the inevitable…. The fuck and flee is your destiny. It is mans nature.

    The refractory period, helping males pump and dump since pre-history.

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  153. @BMM- DA posted his pic here before. he is cute in a nerdy urkle or blk woody allen way. And tell me about to your comment in the Kennedy post.

    ………………..which comment is that Chic Noir? Remind me.

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  154. Oh, I forgot.

    Gig,

    Poetry of Flesh is the living proof of how the sluttier the girl is, the heavier in the weight she places on the physical appearance of the men.”

    When I find myself surrounded by men and do not have my usual partners about, I pick the best. Unfortunately, those men tend to be… well, not up to par. Wealthy, attractive, intelligent, sure. But many people are intelligent in many different ways. It doesn’t mean we can agree or that I can respect them.

    So, if I’m looking for a one-nighter, of course I’m going to go for the good-looking one.

    That’s why we have ball-gags.

    And, really, are you actually complaining about judging a person by their looks on Roissy’s blog??? Pick a better arena for your battles, senor.

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  155. Damn…I swear if I had no career prospects or anything going for me, I’d consider trying to figure out the worst/most ‘alluring’ one can commit and still get conjugal visits….

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  156. Chic, that means guys who’ve seen or dealt with enough death to understand the fleeting nature of life.

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  157. I see Chic Noir is my spokesperson. I must not be emitting enough sub-human rays to drive her to hate me.

    For what it’s worth, here’s updated photo of me with the new glasses. Yes, the photo is crappy, but I didn’t take it, and it was crap lighting.

    What caused the disillusionment DA? Was it all the HBD reading you do?

    Guess the answer. It’s not hard to put two and two together.

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  158. thanks nicole

    halo implant, I might be wrong but aren’t conjugal visits not allowed in some states? Anyway, no woman is worth your self respect.

    lurker doug anyone?

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  159. Anonymous:

    For a second or two….you are disgusted…unless you have the sweetest, most adorable 9/10 lying in front of you…

    God that brought back some good memories…

    P.S. NO MORE ANONYMOUS POSTERS. PICK A FUCKING NAME

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  160. oops…

    Drogba, my bad

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  161. Poetry of Flesh:You sound like some sort of Mel Brooks character. Frau Blucher…?

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  162. DA:

    For what it’s worth, here’s updated photo of me with the new glasses. Yes, the photo is crappy, but I didn’t take it, and it was crap lighting.


    I think you’d benefit from some larger glasses.

    And I think you could totally pick up a white, smart, young hipster 6 if you applied yourself.

    But I know you wont.

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  163. To be honest i’d consider most serial killers cowards who are scared of getting caught. If there wasn’t a police force or prisons and their actions were known they would soon fall victim to vigilante attacks….i’d certainly take out a known serial killer in my area for the sake of myself, relatives and friends. Nothing Alpha about stupid or batshit crazy.

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  164. “More vindication of the Roissy worldview:

    Girl’s fiance attacks her mother and stabs her brother (pro soccer player) repeatedly in the legs probably ending his career. What does this paragon of moral virtue do:

    “Miss Davenport, 28, who is expecting his baby, attended the hearing, clearly showing a black eye. She sobbed as he was brought up from the cells and mouthed ‘I love you’.”

    whole thing:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1208331/Premier-League-footballer-Calum-Davenport-stabbed-legs-race-row-sister.html#ixzz0PnN2UVMv

    [editor: sickening. if i was the brother i would devise a scenario to have the sister framed for the tragic murder of her baby.]”

    What’s even more sickening about this case is that Miss Davenport is a nigger lover. The attacker Worrell Whitehurst is a nigger.

    You Brits need to take your country back from these nigger savages. Civilization, and all that is good and true and right, demands it. These niggers can’t even maintain advanced civilization, let alone give birth to it.

    But most importantly, it’s your country. Not theirs. They have no right to it.

    Take it back. Rise up. Old England Forever!

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  165. UP THE IRONS!

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  166. Dammmmmnnnnnnn DA grows facial hair

    humph

    I can’t believe it.

    the real question is ????

    DO YOU GROW HAIR ON YOUR CHEST?

    tupac And I think you could totally pick up a white, smart, young hipster 6 if you applied yourself.

    agreed, that type would totally go for DA.

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  167. tennyson The attacker Worrell Whitehurst is a nigger.

    NO he isn’t. He is a dark skinned Italian.

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  168. Johnny,

    “Poetry of Flesh:You sound like some sort of Mel Brooks character. Frau Blucher…?”

    Oh, you know me, haunting about in old castles with my hunchbacked servant, devoting my life to that of a crazy dead scientist, smoking cigars and playing the violin.

    Side note: Taffeta, darling, taffeta!

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  169. DA:

    Guess the answer. It’s not hard to put two and two together.

    For all I know you were already like this and the reading just made it worse rather than created the mindset. That’s why I asked.

    Also, you’re actually a good looking guy. Based on how you talk I thought you’d be way worse.

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  170. gig

    Poetry of Flesh is the living proof of how the sluttier the girl is, the heavier in the weight she places on the physical appearance of the men

    Actually I don’t think that’s right. Or it’s only a small part of the mix.

    The sluttier the girl the more weight she will place on the alphaness of the male. Also the sluttier she is the more she’ll tend to want serious bad boys/thug types. Looks will be part of her the alpha equation but high T /violence etc. will be higher up there.

    Hollywood and the media sell male looks as being what attracts women. There are exceptions like Russell Crowe, James Woods and Nicholas Cage (and in days of yore Humphrey Bogart) but they’re exceptions. Really male looks are the pretty lie for what really attracts women – male edgieness, dominance, high T and capacity for violence, etc. – on the purely sexual, one night stand, kind of front. which most women still don’t want. But sluts do.

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  171. worrel whitehurst is a half-breed. Even the blacks round here call them that.

    now this guy is a nigger, correction this guy is my nigger:

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  172. Poetry

    So, if I’m looking for a one-nighter, of course I’m going to go for the good-looking one.

    Naaah.

    I bet you’d really go most of all for the guy throwing off the most dominant vibe, in a knowing and kinda playing sort of way. If he was real good looking too, that would of course be a bonus. But if you had to choose between a not very aggressive pretty boy and an edgie bad boy dominant for a one nighter pickup, I’m betting you’d go for the later, hands down.

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  173. Poetry

    This is somewhat complicated by the fact that very sexually experienced girls use the phrase “good looking” to describe edgie, bad boy looking guys. Even if when pressed they’d have to admit they were exactly “conventionally handsome” or “ok not pretty”, etc.

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  174. Doug1,

    You’d be right. I judge someone’s appearance on how they carry themselves. So when I describe someone as good looking, I more mean they look like the type of man that will lay into me with the sexually dominant violence I enjoy.

    Good call.

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  175. on August 31, 2009 at 7:49 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Damn, I thought this post was too much proof that thuggery = gina tingle for the trolls (mostly female, how’s that for irony?) and deniers to come out. The initial comments even got my hopes up.

    ‘Spose it might be boring if we didn’t have people to bludgeon with facts and reality, though.

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  176. “NO he isn’t. He is a dark skinned Italian.”

    No.

    He’s a nigger. If you want to get technical about it, he’s a mulatto. A nigger nonetheless.

    By claiming he’s “a dark skinned Italian” you’re engaging in a typical type of obscurantism where one insinuates or suggests that a particular nigger or niggerish looking individual is/appears to be Italian, or that an Italian or other Southern European individual is/appears to be a nigger.

    The whole aim of this obscurantism is to try to propagate the idea that the lines between the races are much blurrier than they really are, that there maybe isn’t much of a difference between the races, and other such pernicious ideas.

    The point is, give it a rest, nigger. You’re not fooling anyone.

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  177. Drogba
    worrel whitehurst is [biraical]. Even the blacks round here call them that.

    no shit sherlock.

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  178. And I think you could totally pick up a white, smart, young hipster 6 if you applied yourself.

    But I know you wont.

    Official Reason: Hipsters girls don’t wear nails or heels and have desexualized unflattering clothing. Plus, a six is much too low of a rank for orgasm purposes. And those girls want men with college degrees, not failed out losers with community college credits and a dumpy part-time job, and quasi-responsibilities at home.

    Real Reason: Meeting said girl requires doing something. [shudder] Masturbating at 5AM in the morning after pushing the reload button twenty times on an hour on this blog doesn’t.

    DO YOU GROW HAIR ON YOUR CHEST?

    You’re tempting me to post a photo.

    BTW, yes, I grow facial hair, but primarily because I’m too lazy to wake up fifteen minutes earlier and shave before going to work.

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  179. From the HBO series “Rome”.

    “Well, what do women want?”
    Answer, “Bring them the still beating heart of an enemy. It makes them wet as October tho they say it doesn’t”.

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  180. DO YOU GROW HAIR ON YOUR CHEST?

    I have hair on my chest chic, hear me RAWR!

    DA: Believe it or not you have potential. Just ditch the glasses, fix your posture, hit the gym (alot), and get some better clothes.

    The only person stopping you from achieving what you want is right here.

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  181. You appear to have misquoted me there chicnoir. I said HALF-BREED

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  182. DA:

    Official Reason: Hipsters girls don’t wear nails or heels and have desexualized unflattering clothing.

    It only matters what they look like with their clothes off.

    Plus, a six is much too low of a rank for orgasm purposes. And those girls want men with college degrees, not failed out losers with community college credits and a dumpy part-time job, and quasi-responsibilities at home.

    Are you fucking kidding me?

    They LIVE for that shit. But you have to have Game.

    Real Reason: Meeting said girl requires doing something. [shudder] Masturbating at 5AM in the morning after pushing the reload button twenty times on an hour on this blog doesn’t.

    Well at least you’re honest.

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  183. It doesn’t occur to anyone that, maybe, just maybe…

    these women are fucking nuts?

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  184. Whiskey -it helps if people know who you are. There is nothing more raw about displaying alpha male status than by showing physical strength and kicking some guys ass, especially if he is one of the guys at the top. This goes back to how a lot of females choose in the animal kingdom; the most physically dominant male usually gets the females; and he proves that he is at the most physically dominant by beating up the other males.

    Brad -The answer to that is simple: people want what they can’t have. When does someone want their boyfriend or girlfriend the most? When there is some barrier keeping them apart or right after they’ve broken up. If you can’t have something, then for some reason, you will assume that it has more value.

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  185. Rum:

    From the HBO series “Rome”.

    “Well, what do women want?”
    Answer, “Bring them the still beating heart of an enemy. It makes them wet as October tho they say it doesn’t”.

    And it is that “they say it doesn’t” that leads well intentioned, intelligent, idealistic young men down the path of celibacy.

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  186. It sure is racist up in here

    Post sum blackface and joke about watermelon

    FUCK YEAH

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  187. Another fucking anonymous:

    It doesn’t occur to anyone that, maybe, just maybe…

    these women are fucking nuts?

    Redirect to: Poetry Of Flesh

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  188. schoolboy I have hair on my chest chic, hear me RAWR!

    *Sara perks up*

    Oh schoolboy say it isn’t so. You’re my little baby, I don’t want to think of you in that way 😦

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  189. Men have absolutely no problem being attracted to women criminals, it is just that the proportion is much smaller.

    I used to write letters to women in prison. But it was by no means *because* they were criminals that I was attracted to them. I doubt women get many extra attraction points from men for that. I just thought there would be less competition. 5 out of 8 wrote me back, which is better than I get from regular personal ads and surprised me so much that I regretted writing to more than one at a time. I only wrote to women who would be released relatively soon. I guess it is possible to find a girlfriend that way, but I was really unlucky. The women I kept writing to just wanted money. They lied about wanting to be with me when they got out, at which point they called me and asked for more money but refused to see me. After that happened twice, I gave up the whole prison penpal thing.

    The proportion of women in prison is about 6%, more than 90,000 American women. Other countries have so few women prisoners that it is futile (Norway only has 156 out of 3573 = 4.37%), so you pretty much have to go for American women. I recommend the sites where you have to pay to get their addresses, because they probably get less mail. It is kind of nice to write and receive real handwritten letters. Hardly anybody else takes the time to write those anymore.

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  190. Chic:

    Oh schoolboy say it isn’t so. You’re my little baby, I don’t want to think of you in that way

    Telling.

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  191. “The most critical being that not all women are looking for alpha males, alpha type females (especially domineering insecure ones) prefer feminized beta males.”

    Per men like Roissy, those women just merely want the upper echelon of alpha males.

    It only matters what they look like with their clothes off.

    Oh god, even worse. Flat ass, B cup tits, no fake tan, crappy, non-sexual tattoo. [Shudder]

    There’s a reason why god invented porn and guido chicks. They’re remotely feminine…

    They LIVE for that shit.

    Yes, but I lack the fun stories to back up that lifestyle unless jerking off and dumping semen on a brand new keyboard is “fun”.

    But you have to have Game.

    Which is something I don’t want.

    Well at least you’re honest.

    You’re a smart man. 🙂

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  192. Poetry of flesh is a slaaaaaag, even the serial killers and crazies would just pump and dump that….into a ditch somewhere by the side of a quiet road.

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  193. You’re a smart man.

    Thanks.

    Now spare us your pity-party. We didn’t want to attend.

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  194. @tupac- how so?

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  195. david alexander, i can hook you up with some dirty sluts, they’re in england you, but i’ll give you emails, MSN messenger etc they’ll be more than happy to at least look at your cock over webcam or summin. Its progress….

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  196. Regarding women pining for criminals being 8/9.

    I’ve been to courts a few times too many, and every time, the bail hearings are filled with hot chicks waiting for their men to get on the stand.

    invariably, they are much better looking than average girls their age.

    R.

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  197. Anony

    Women who are fucking nuts are often fucking fuckable.

    Re: Fighting.
    My sport in college was wrestling. The real kind, not the lame ass Professional kind. Anyway, I recall that period of my life as being the most low stress, easy sleep at night interval. Two hours a day trying to tear someone apart is a great mood-stabilizer.
    I won half my matches. But damn, going out on that mat, one on one, with someone who wanted to tear you apart – in front of the whole team, girlfriends, etc. – that is the real thing. Primal fear and primal struggle is a tonic hard to replace.
    That is what a Sport is. Not a game.

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  198. Riff Dog – “I can point you to forums of women (dominatrixes) who love their “sissy boys.”

    editor – “point to them. are these doms professing their undying love for their sissyboys, or are they professing their psychologically charged kinks for them?”

    Touche. 🙂 Okay, so I wasn’t being literal. I can’t actually point you to the them, what with being a guy who doesn’t normally read a lot of dominatrix forums. 😉

    Your point is well taken that these ladies are likely more into the kinks of it rather than an undying love situation. But ultimately, we are talking sex rather than love here, aren’t we? Either way, I still contend that these dominatrices (or however it is that one make dominatrix plural) aren’t going to fall madly in love with an alpha. It just doesn’t make sense given their sexual tendencies.

    But just to make things easier, let’s substitute dominatrix forums with poetry forums. Or any forum where the guys are beta and the ladies love ’em. Just like with these prison nutjobs, they’ll profess they’re undying love for that sensitive, caring soul behind the words.

    And again, it doesn’t disprove your theory. Just like the prison nutjobs don’t prove it.

    It’s just a bunch of nutty women who neither of us is going to have any interest in fucking. (Although I might memorize a few rhymes, put on a cardigan for the evening, and fuck the poetry chick.)

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  199. ‘…we are talking about very low class, intellectually deprived people here….”

    Women who have had no power over another adult, no respect from anyone and who want to assume dominance over a subjugated male. If they can’t find a death row man they’d settle for a lifer…cheap thrills.

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  200. For all I know you were already like this and the reading just made it worse rather than created the mindset. That’s why I asked.

    I’d argue that Roissy and the other sites in this part of the universe destroyed the idea that holding out and being the best beta provider that I could be would be enough to ensure I’d find somebody who would love me. HBD was what destroyed my ability to have hope in whatever potential children that I would have, and to a lesser extent, my niece, nephews, and goddaughter.

    Also, you’re actually a good looking guy. Based on how you talk I thought you’d be way worse.

    I used to spend my days thinking that I was some ugly wreck. I don’t think I’m ugly anymore, but I still feel that women can do far better than me. Hell, even the ugly guy with a “masculine” look is a better choice.

    Just ditch the glasses

    I’m not a contact lens wearing sellout.

    hit the gym (alot)

    That requires doing something.

    get some better clothes

    That requires spending money. I’d rather use my $900 month on propping up the emergency fund and saving up to go to Germany and ride trains. Hell, I could use a new monitor, a new DSLR, and a new laptop, stuff that will provide far better enjoyment on a pleasure per dollar spent scale…

    The only person stopping you from achieving what you want is right here.

    Of course, and the status quo is far better and more comfortable than “doing something”.

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  201. I think poetry and asparagus would be perfect for each other because they have equal drives. I was thinking Wendy Schwartz but I think she would be too much for asparagus just yet.

    I think LR only has one speed and that’s super fast. Only a true alpha stud with plenty of experience under his belt can handle her.

    *winks to R*

    I see you included her in one of your comments today.

    I would like to watch either couple but I would pay money to see Wendy Schwartz and roissy. I can only imagine the sounds coming from those two.

    *wipes forhead*

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  202. I used to write letters to women in prison. But it was by no means *because* they were criminals that I was attracted to them. I doubt women get many extra attraction points from men for that. I just thought there would be less competition.

    I think that women who write to men in prison for much the same reason. They get long flowery letters, what they think is the complete devotion of a guy who they know is not cheating on them, and as much fantasy life as they want, without the bother and mess of a real relationship that needs to be sustained on a day-to-day basis. A lot of guys assure the women that they are innocent, and the “system” has treated them unjustly, and the stupider people actually believe what the prisoner is saying too.

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  203. Rum

    Answer, “Bring them the still beating heart of an enemy. It makes them wet as October tho they say it doesn’t”.

    Spoken of course by Titus Pullo. Who’s clearly an alpha.

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  204. Now spare us your pity-party. We didn’t want to attend.

    I thought people like beating up on losers.

    david alexander, i can hook you up with some dirty sluts

    No, they can do much better than me. Send them to Tupac. He can run game on them, and leave them with a warm tingly feeling when they’re done.

    I can’t actually point you to the them, what with being a guy who doesn’t normally read a lot of dominatrix forums.

    So you wasted our time with shit you can’t prove? Congrats, retard.

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  205. another fucking anonymous. Why won’t these bastards just pic a name!!???

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  206. on August 31, 2009 at 8:27 pm annonnymurrrrr

    oh boy posting with a name so people can know who they’re talking to

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  207. on August 31, 2009 at 8:28 pm annonnymurrrrr

    What an exciting and intellectually stimulating place!

    Did I say intellectually? I meant electrically.

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  208. Riff dog (Although I might memorize a few rhymes, put on a cardigan for the evening, and fuck the poetry chick.)

    Don’t forget your mole skin notebook and a pair of beat up, run over, dog pissed on them, archaic chuck taylors 

    DA No, they can do much better than me. Send them to Tupac. He can run game on them, and leave them with a warm tingly feeling when they’re done.

    Tupac just talks a lot of crap when it comes to lose women. His heart pines for a woman who is intellectual but sweetly feminine like alias clio.

    *shakes head*
    I forgot to include her in my story.

    DA No, they can do much better than me. Send them to Tupac. He can run game on them, and leave them with a warm tingly feeling when they’re done.

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  209. on August 31, 2009 at 8:30 pm annonnymurrrrr

    auughh lemme refill the crack pipe

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  210. on August 31, 2009 at 8:30 pm annonnymurrrrr

    does anyone want to YIFF

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  211. tupac, please explain your college boy-chicnoir comment. I’m curious

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  212. on August 31, 2009 at 8:35 pm annonnymurrrrr

    I initially read the title of this post as circle jerks

    sounds about right too.

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  213. His heart pines for a woman who is intellectual but sweetly feminine like alias clio.

    I suspect that explains why he keeps trying to get me to date what Clio would be in our modern world if she was younger, a hipster…

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  214. …but the still beating heart of an enemy isn’t just any old heart. It’s the heart of an enemy.

    …though I’d rather have it not still beating. Slowly simmered in their tears would be nice.

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  215. on August 31, 2009 at 8:43 pm annonnymurrrrr

    If we rub our dicks together we can start a fire~!

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  216. “Miss Davenport, 28, who is expecting his baby, attended the hearing, clearly showing a black eye. She sobbed as he was brought up from the cells and mouthed ‘I love you’.”

    That story is sick. England is the most degenerate country on earth and english women are the lowest. If I were that slut’s brotehr I’d wait until she’s in her 7th month and punch her savagely in the gut. As many times as it takes. And deny everythng if she calls the cops.

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  217. Roissy,

    The economist Tyler Cowen of the blog Marginal Revolution points us to a NY Times article on yet another study that confirms the Roissy worldview.

    Cowen is of course an avid Roissy in DC reader who has mentioned you and your blog before but made sure to cover his ass by not linking to you and by saying that he doesn’t agree with you. Cowen also has discussed hypergamy and linked to the F. Roger Devlin article in The Occidental Quarterly on hypergamy before.

    Here’s the crux for Roissyite purposes of the NY Times article of interest:

    “In her analysis, Dr. Borgerhoff Mulder found that although Pimbwe men were somewhat more likely than their female counterparts to marry multiple times, women held their own and even outshone men in the upper Zsa Zsa Gabor end of the scale, of five consecutive spouses and counting. And when Dr. Borgerhoff Mulder looked at who extracted the greatest reproductive payoff from serial monogamy, as measured by who had the most children survive past the first five hazardous years of life, she found a small but significant advantage female. Women who worked their way through more than two husbands had, on average, higher reproductive success, a greater number of surviving children, than either the more sedately mating women, or than men regardless of wifetime total.

    “We’re so wedded to the model that men will benefit from multiple marriages and women won’t, that women are victims of the game,” Dr. Borgerhoff Mulder said. “But what my data suggest is that Pimbwe women are strategically choosing men, abandoning men and remarrying men as their economic situation goes up and down.”

    Polygyny is more prevalent the closer you get to sub-Saharan Africa due to greater female independence in food and shelter acquisition. As we’ve mechanized agriculture in temperate climates, men have become less essential to civilization — at least as long as women can maintain the machinery and the nonrenewables don’t run out. Hence, we’re gradually Africanizing with a probable impending collapse, unless inventive AIs can be brought online to maintain the machinery for women and the alphas. I suppose there is always the eunuch option with a bit of genetic engineering to make the men who aren’t alphas into willing subbies. There does seem to be a trend in that direction.

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  218. Man folks go dead on you after a certain time around these parts lately.

    *looks over to DJ*
    Please Play I Wonder Why by Tony Touch and Total

    *watches doug light up the dance florr yet again*

    Whiskey taps his foot and gets the urge to dance but his betaitis stops him.

    *looks to joe*

    come on joe, lets dance

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  219. annonnymurrrrr
    If we rub our dicks together we can start a fire~!

    more like an explosion because we already have a few folks who are burning around these parts.

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  220. on August 31, 2009 at 8:52 pm annonnymurrrrr

    Oh look its the primordial ooze, I seem to be swimming in it.

    Holy fuck look at all these invertebrates! And they’re posting on the internet!

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  221. on August 31, 2009 at 8:52 pm annonnymurrrrr

    Chic Noir you are a lovely lady, what are you doing here in this cesspool?

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  222. Chic, there’s a point when most of the venting that’s to be done has been done, and it’s time to think. Women tend to have unlimited ways to say the same thing over and over, but men often don’t. At some point, the pipes are clear, and there’s less talking and more reflecting.

    It’s a good thing. It’s why I like hanging out with men. This is the point before some decisive, construction action starts being done in earnest.

    I hope to see some more field reports soon.

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  223. Chic – ditch the godawful Total version and go with the original Sister Sledge version and you got a deal

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  224. *blushes sweetly*

    thank you annonnymurrrrr

    via Peter ..It’s like driving past a accident. You just can’t help to look.

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  225. on August 31, 2009 at 9:07 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    David Alexander looks like the type of guy who would say ‘Undubitably’.

    Given that I now know what both DA and Chic Noir look like, the following conclusion is inevitable :

    1) Both live near each other (tri-state area).
    2) Both are the right ages for each other
    3) Both are of a similar educational level
    4) Both are black, but with edgy foreign warzone refugee cred (Haitian, Ethiopian).

    They have a lot in common. The two should hook up.

    Of course, there are self-limiting barriers. DA says only women above a 7 are worth it (Chic Noir is a 6). Chic Noir assumes (wrongly) that she can do better than DA (she cannot, particularly given how much anal sex she has already partaken in to date).

    Chic Noir, while pudgy, is not yet fat enough to achieve this outcome for DA, but she soon will be, so even long-term goals can be met.

    This is the second choice for DA, because Obese-dian (also nearby in Philadalphia) refuses to open his Big Black Book and share some dark matter with DA. A mere 500 pounds, which is a fraction of what Obese-dian has access to, will do.

    But this arrangement will have to do as a second choice.

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  226. nicole Women tend to have unlimited ways to say the same thing over and over, but men often don’t

    I think you’re right Nicole. That would explain why at times I feel like I’m reading the same thing over and over when it comes to the men folk but none of women(yes dana, you too) seem to be repetitive.

    @joe, Sister Sledge isn’t bad but I prefer Tony’s Touch. Tony’s version shows who is a real dancer and who is just fumbling along.

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  227. ^^^^speaking of repetitive…..

    *yells*
    Who forgot to shut the basement door.

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  228. on August 31, 2009 at 9:12 pm annonnymurrrrr

    “It’s like driving past a accident. You just can’t help to look.”

    Ah, I know the feeling.
    Quite true, but in this case its like an accident where one laughs at the injured…

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  229. Joe, I’m keeping my promist 🙂

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  230. I don’t know if anyone’s said this, it’s too hard to keep up with posts with a bazillion comments.

    A MAN IN PRISON IS AN EASY GUY FOR A GIRL TO GET.

    If a girl wants a guy who has nothing better to do than answer her e-mails and calls, a man in prison is perfect.

    If women are supposed to like men that are hard to get, that are a challenge to get, because they’re so alpha and desirable… why are they going for one who is basically isolated from women and has limited choices?

    It’s the women throwing themselves at the men here, not the men looking at the options and choosing HER.

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  231. FAAAT Wumin, are you saying that if DA turned white, this would this be him:

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3418069248/tt0215129

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  232. I wouldn’t disagree that a man who is empowered enough to commit a crime that requires a lot of courage and power is attractive… these men have Alpha traits to even challenge the system or overpower another person.

    For a girl who can’t get a “winner” who rose to the top by working hard and beating other men, a criminal is a nice and easy second option… compared to a wussy guy.

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  233. Chic, just so ya know, I too have been rooting for you and David.

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  234. LSB

    Because they actually pulled the trigger. Some guys make words… Some guys make corpses.Little Ms Pussy does the choosing.

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  235. Also most women have this sort of… mmm…. mothering side to them where they want to be like “I understand the REAL him” when it comes to a man. Other people already made this point I think.

    All women want to feel special and different… like she is that special someone that can see the amazing man inside that criminal. She is just so special! lol

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  236. PA
    Chic, just so ya know, I too have been rooting for you and David

    See, there you go with that shit. You know damn well David and I won’t last a week. How about rooting for Kamal and I or Default and I.

    lovelysexybeauty For a girl who can’t get a “winner” who rose to the top by working hard and beating other men, a criminal is a nice and easy second option… compared to a wussy guy.

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  237. on August 31, 2009 at 9:22 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I’ll agree with Joe that the Sister Sledge version is FAR better than that modern garbage. FAR, I say.

    This is an excellent example of how far black culture (and music) has declined and devolved in just 30 years, and why mainstream appeal of black music has reversed course.

    The first is one of my favorite songs, even as a white guy. The second was so crappy that I had to stop it after about 30 seconds. No wonder Chic Noir likes the crappy version and didn’t even know about to original version. Yet, this dumbshit thinks she is too good for David Alexander (she isn’t).

    Something 30 years later should be BETTER, not WORSE.

    Joe – thanks for reminding me of the original Sister Sledge song. It’s been a while since I heard that.

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  238. Roissy, not time to read through all 225 comments, so this has already been said and I apologize, but this post is not nearly as insightful as one might think. If women didn’t love killers, criminals, and rogues, well then this aforementioned pathology might just disappear from human kind. Think about it.

    Its all about what you will do (or give off the impression of what you’re willing to do) to spread your seed. There will always be a mate for someone willing to kill for their way of life. It may seem unsophisticated, especially to those in an advanced society like America, or better put a society to a large segments of a highly advanced public (but with a sizable minority of a violence-first demographic), but it obviously resonates with a deep and pleasurable hum in the vaginal cavities of these males’ female cohorts. Or else they’d be no next generation of OGs.

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  239. Yet, this dumbshit thinks she is too good for David Alexander

    David will be a debonnaire SOB in about 15 years. But Chic will have alienated him with that ‘tude.

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  240. on August 31, 2009 at 9:30 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    PA,

    Perhaps.

    But Obese-dian would not hook up a white nerd. Albeit, he hasn’t consulted his BIG Black Book to share some dark matter with DA either.

    Actually, the DA/Chic Noir topic exemplifies the running theme of this blog :

    In generations past, a guy of DA’s level would get paired up with a woman of Chic Noir’s level. Their education level is the same, and Chic Noir’s looks (she is a 6) are appropriate for what DA should be able to get.

    But in this modern era of feminism, Chic Noir thinks she is entitled to much better, turning down guys of her level like DA. After she is 30, she will be alone and single (although still the Queen of Anal Sex (QAS)). This is an example of feminist hypergamy obstructing what should be a compatible pairing of equals such as DA and ChicNoir.

    A natural husband/wife pairing of equals is thus not happening here.

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  241. Chic — Why would I blow up on this? It’s SOP for a lot of women. Not EVERY woman likes a thug, but most women will swallow a lot (including public beat-downs which are humiliating) to get that testosterone dominance. It’s a drug, and a way for women who don’t have a lot of muscle to vicariously intimidate and bully. I have in fact seen this often enough.

    DF — I’ve been in fights and tournaments a plenty. Of the two, tournaments are more scary — you don’t want to look bad. Most of the guys in tournaments are beta, the real tough guys are non-Western traditional. Guys who find it fun to do duckwalks hours on end to build leg strength. But they are not Alpha either. Nothing bad will happen in a middle class white guy fight, either, I’ve seen people hurt a LOT worse in tournaments. Women flock to UFC guys, but you don’t see many around the traditional arts: Judo, Karate, Escrima, etc.

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  242. PA David will be a debonnaire SOB in about 15 years.

    Maybe so

    Or

    maybe he will have gone on the become the pope of his brand of Christianity.

    But Chic will have alienated him with that ‘tude.

    DA don’t want chic because:

    1. low iq
    2.too tall
    3. blk
    4. no fake nails
    5. not freaky enough

    Futhermore PA , chic isn’t looking for a husband and I’ve said so many times. I have my cats,books,computer, and passport. That is all I need to be happy. I may adopt( a girl 4-6 ans) when I’m 40 but nothing more.

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  243. on August 31, 2009 at 9:35 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Kamal is OUT of Chic Noir’s league. She is falling in the hypergamy carousel trap.

    DA absolutely IS an equal to Chic Noir (education, looks), as any reader here over 30, male or female, will agree.

    Yet, her feminist-brainwashed mind has told her that DA is not good enough. To the detriment of them both.

    So instead of a stable married couple, the outcome will be DA as a Sodini and Chic Noir as a black panther (what black cougars are called). A lose-lose situation, due to a feminist-engineered hypergamy landscape.

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  244. on August 31, 2009 at 9:38 pm Cannon's Canon

    “P.S. NO MORE ANONYMOUS POSTERS. PICK A FUCKING NAME” said the guy with the coolest handle of all.

    Rum: “My sport in college was wrestling. The real kind, not the lame ass Professional kind.”

    Let us not be so quick tonight to discount “WWE game.” Otherwise I agree; I swooped a snobby jewish chick in college that would not give me the time of day for a semester and a half… until the weekend after I showed up to class with a black eye in a boxing club hoodie.

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  245. The WWE professional wrestling is brutal both in practices and in front of live audiences. Plus it requires crowd charisma in addition to size and athleticism.

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  246. David will be a debonnaire SOB in about 15 years.

    Somebody has been drinking Żubrówka vodka…

    a guy of DA’s level would get paired up with a woman of Chic Noir’s level. Their education level is the same, and Chic Noir’s looks (she is a 6) are appropriate for what DA should be able to get.

    Oddly, I’d see that a benefit. Chic Noir gets to chase after the men that will make her happy, and David Alexander is freed from having to take care (and spend his money for) of a woman who is ungrateful for the hard work that he does. Both parties stay out of an awful, mind-numbing marriage where deep down inside, both partners are miserable and itching to find somebody better.

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  247. PA
    Always keep in mind that the USA and Great Britain are more closely related than mere cousins. It is never a good idea to count on finding serious differences between them. American ideas regarding politics were borrowed 99% from that Island.
    W. Churchills mother was born in the Bronx and her family had most of the money that fueled his career.

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  248. It’s good both straight and mixed with apple cider.

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  249. DA Oddly, I’d see that a benefit. Chic Noir gets to chase after the men that will make her happy

    Chic chases after no man. she just sits at the bar with her sisters and associates bags while everyone else has a good time.

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  250. My dear friend Wiki says this:

    “Hybristophilia is a paraphilia involving being sexually aroused or attracted to people who have committed an outrage or a gruesome crime. In popular culture, this phenomenon is also known as “Bonnie and Clyde Syndrome”.

    Many high-profile criminals, particularly those who have committed atrocious crimes, receive “fan mail” in prison which is sometimes amorous or sexual, presumably as a result of this phenomenon. In some cases, admirers of these criminals have gone on to marry the object of their affections in prison.

    Hybristophilia is accepted as potentially lethal” (ya no duh)

    I think women are attracted to men who exhibit high risk behaviours (i.e. mountain climbing, race car driving, mountain top skiing etc). It’s exhilarating to know your man is willing to risk his life – face his fear or not have any at all. Very manly.

    However I don’t believe the average woman is attracted to serial killers or anyone who’d commit death row offences (even lifers). These men haven’t risked their own lives they’ve taken others. How a ‘normal’ woman could truly be at peace with herself by accepting his misdeeds (understatement of the year) is beyond me. I know, I know these chicks may believe he’s innocent but she still has to think the judicial system did this guy no good – a delusion 99.9% of the time. These women are either of the type referred to above or have some social issues with real life partners. They want to believe this man was only looking for the perfect partner to save them and they’re it. It’s delusional. Ya, ya I know we women suffer from delusions, but not on this scale I tell ya.

    Now excuse me I have to pen a letter to my death row lover. 😉

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  251. It’s good both straight and mixed with apple cider.

    Shall David chase the demon rum of his people?

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  252. nothing sums up my feelings regarding death row inmates and the women who love the more succintly than the lilting refrain of the cocksparrers haunting classic:

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  253. allright allright

    *yells*

    shots for everyone

    Bartender line them up but two virgin club soda shots for my friends here.

    *shakes head*

    I am so going to go broke staying here at Chateau R .

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  254. Whiskey says, “It’s a drug, and a way for women who don’t have a lot of muscle to vicariously intimidate and bully. I have in fact seen this often enough.”

    …but good boys don’t like women with muscle who can defend themselves and fight their own battles. They like to play white knight and captain save-a-hoe.

    I’ve said many times that guys seriously underestimate the role social context plays in determining beauty and partner value. A slim, pretty, frail, vulnerable girl is a great thing to be when you have enough money to live in a fairly secure area. If you don’t, you’re like a rotting carcass in the middle of the savannah. You’ll need a big strong man to protect you, who is willing to go farther as a protector, than the predators will go.

    The guys stupid enough to fill that role often end up in prison because of some drama that the woman created or facilitated.

    So if your tastes run in the tiny and frail, then in order to not get caught up in the drama, you need to know how to act like a criminal, but not get deeply involved in their lives. Hit it and forget it or they will drag you down. You’ll become the iron fists of their control issues.

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  255. Dear God,

    please send ghost of nicole a cure for her hebephrenic glossolalia

    Amen

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  256. *spots whiskey looking sad at the bar*

    Chic asks the DJ to play one of whiskey’s favorite songs, The Flamingoes “I only have eyes for you”

    *walks over to whiskey*

    chic to whiskey: Let’s dance buddy 🙂

    *midway thru song*

    * steps on whiskey’s foot*

    *whiskey becomes very very angry*

    whiskey: Got darn you chic noir. Why the heck did you step on my foot. You didn’t step on Joe’s foot and the two of you were dancing to a much faster song. Why my foot huh?

    Whiskey yells: It’s because I’m a betta and Joe is an alpha

    *chic looks shocked*

    Whiskey: Yup women step all over the beta in a quest to get to the alpha.

    *chic tries to interject*

    Chic: but but I I uh um well no whiskey….

    *whiskey turns beet red*

    Whiskey :Don’t bother lying chic. Women hate hate hate beta men. You are just like all the rest of them.

    * notices whiskey becomes angrier the more he talks*

    *makes a run for it behind whelmer and maurice*

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  257. She speakeths inz a language of za two faced and thus is beyond redemption.

    But you Dana izz vewwey kind to have condidereds your sistah Ghostie and you maybe will be given three wishes.

    Crap who am I again? schizophrenia sucks

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  258. Everybody reads this blog, first lucifer now God.

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  259. on August 31, 2009 at 11:06 pm annonnymurrrrr

    I am disappointed at the lack of YIFFING in this thread.

    Let’s get murry purry together~

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  260. *whiskey notices sarah michelle geller who acknowledges him and he dead faints

    *chic rushes to his aid but her long legs are ahead of her and she crashes over top of him and kills him in her fall

    *Sarah aka Buffy the Vampire Slayer decides to pull a magic and revives him but kills chic accidently by stilleto

    *DA realizing the love he’s had for chic all along offers himself as a sacrifce if she can only live (he realizes this will only help church attendance)

    *chic is hard to revive she’s having too much fun in death and fights it tooth and nail (which turns DA on more)

    *just as chic sputters to life DA kills Sarah he realizes he’s too selfish to die

    *seeing the horrific act DA has performed chic gets the giney tingle and picks him up, slings him over her shoulder and walks into the sunset

    *whiskey is last seen looking for an instrument of which to off himself to follow buffy into the abyss

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  261. @Poetry of Flesh “I don’t find their obsession with DR inmates odd at all.”

    Lol; that’s because you’re one of them. Why don’t they pick white collar criminals? At least there is some chance of a payoff at some point.

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  262. Are there women on death row? Maybe I could write to one.

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  263. on August 31, 2009 at 11:22 pm loves me some herb

    Sometimes single feeels like death row. write me, write me now…oh ya write there…

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  264. Tupac:

    That was a spot-on breakdown of the whole Twilight phenomenon. I suspect you pegged Bhetti’s psyche as well.

    Second time you’ve alluded to my reading tastes…?

    I don’t actually love every single romance story because it happens to be published.

    So no I’m not into Edward. Maybe his stalkery virgin one-itis is a slight turn off. But many of the female species seem to be.

    Getting women to want utterly impossible men is destructive

    Oh no, wait. This is closer to what you mean, isn’t it?

    What’s the psychoanalysis in clear terms, doc? Somethin’ to do with romance novels perhaps, but I don’t want to muddy the waters with my ideas about your ideas if you know what I mean.

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  265. These women make me sick.

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  266. Man, you guys are missing out on a great meme:

    http://www.womenbehindbars.com/

    I’m sure it’s not as prevalent as the death row thing, and if I ever hear of a dude forum where they’re lactating for their $20 hooker girlfriend behind bars, I will laugh a lot, but it does exist. Who goes for it? Who knows? But the “warnings” section is hilarious:

    http://www.womenbehindbars.com/warnings.shtml

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  267. on September 1, 2009 at 12:01 am The Fifth Horseman

    Beta of the Month Candidate :

    This nauseating Mangina ‘Aster Lily’ had gone beyond merely saying that younger men ‘should’ date older women.

    ‘He’ outright declares that younger men ARE attracted to older women, and explains ‘why’. As if that is already a well-known fact. Based on what real-world evidence, he doesn’t say.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/288492/why_are_younger_men_attracted_to_older.html?cat=41

    Ugh…

    Here is another article written by a woman who self-identifies as a cougar. It is delusional, of course, but not as much as the Mangina writing the same thing.

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/606395/the_appeal_of_being_a_cougar_pg2.html?cat=7

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  268. on September 1, 2009 at 12:03 am The Fifth Horseman

    Beta of the Month Candidate :

    This nauseating Mangina ‘Aster Lily’ had gone beyond merely saying that younger men ‘should’ date older women.

    ‘He’ outright declares that younger men ARE attracted to older women, and explains ‘why’. As if that is already a well-known fact. Based on what real-world evidence, he doesn’t say.

    Ugh…

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  269. Bhetti:

    *STOP NOW*

    *EVERYTHING IS OKAY!*

    *PONIES!*

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  270. @ roissy (and everyone else)

    Off topic, but it’s highly relevant to this blog’s content:

    http://www.dlisted.com/node/33674

    Megan Fox on gender relations:

    “Women hold the power, because we have the vaginas. If you’re in a heterosexual relationship and you’re a female, you win.”

    “I never call them guys. I always called them boys. Maybe it’s a superiority complex — my needing to keep them down.”

    “Male actors drop lines about their private jets, trying to seem powerful, but I don’t give a shit. I don’t need someone else’s power. I’m obtaining my own.”

    These quotes mirror the “Whiskey” argument that women have obtained too much social power and economic freedom.

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  271. on September 1, 2009 at 12:23 am The Fifth Horseman

    This deserves a re-post.

    I think the process through which the average urban woman screws her own life can be summed up as follows :

    1) Average urban woman has sex with an Alpha. Since in the female mind, sex may be interpreted as ‘he really likes you’, the ego lift from that leads her to reject Betas for months after the brief tryst with the Alpha.

    2) Shows like Sex and the City brainwash the woman into thinking that she will still be attractive to men well past the age of 35. This enables her to glibly let the years slip by.

    3) Websites like Match.com have 2 men for every woman, and women are prone to put up pictures that are 5 years old (when they looked better). Thus, all sorts of Betas keep contacting her, artificially propping up her ego, while even more years slip by. She gets addicted to the fun of rejecting them. The woman wrongly assumes that the volume of Beta email attention she gets translates to her ability to find a good husband.

    Effectively, the Beta rejection/ego boost that woman used to only be able to do on Saturday Night in clubs, now can be done daily via websites like Match.com.

    4) Finally, by age 34 or so, the woman is completely unprepared for the dramatic drop in male attention she gets, relative to what she was accustomed to in her 20s, and what the Match.com email attention misled her to believe was real. Reality hits hard, much like a stock market or real-estate bubble correction.

    5) She will still blame men, say men are shallow to date women 10 years younger than them, etc. But she cannot, will not accept that feminism sold her a bill of lies.

    I think that about sums it up. Women of the next generation will see all of the women 20 years older than them who are lonely, miserable, and with relatively little net worth, and *might*, just might, wise up.

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  272. Tupac: You forgot the instructions on the manual. You have left the following switches unflipped:
    — Loves Only Me
    — Protector/Weapon Against Others
    — Comfort

    This switch has an amber light on it:
    — Older?

    But wait, what colour ponies?

    While we’re on the topic, C_W’s writing style is gold. (Did someone say gold!? G Manifesto Attraction Switch Flipped! Edward has the Wealth Factor too.)

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  273. Yeah, this doesn’t fit the alpha-chasing paradigm, which isn’t surprising, since the alpha-chasing paradigm doesn’t get us very far.

    [editor: you’ve been riding this hobbyhorse so hard you’ve chafed your ass liked a dog with worms. here’s a refresher: alpha males are guys who can get lots of chicks. death row inmates get lots of attention from chicks. ergo, death row inmates are alpha. now they may not be as alpha as a hollywood celebrity or a rock star, but they’re more alpha than the average beta bear.]

    These women like helpless men;

    [actually, they like dominant, dangerous men. if they liked helpless men they could fuck a homeless bum. but you don’t see them doing that do you?]

    men who’ll lavish these women with endless beta-like attention,

    [being locked up and incommunicado for days at a time practically precludes these guys from lavishing beta-like attention. think of it as forced aloofness.]

    men who can’t ever actually do anything to violate the illusions or fantasies that these women hold about what their wonderful life would be like together; men who let these women play out their mothering/only-I-understand-him fantasies.

    [these are secondary concerns. once the dominant violent alpha prerequisite is met, the followup mothering instinct takes root.]

    It’s really just the mirror image of dudes who’d prefer idealized porno images to actually mustering up whatever minimal empathy and social skills it would take to have sex with a real live woman.

    [no. a closer analogy would be to dudes who forswear sex with available and willing women in favor of sex with high class hookers who are much better looking than what they could get without payment up front.]

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  274. Rum,

    “Women who are fucking nuts are often fucking fuckable.”

    Quote of the day, hands down.

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  275. DA, now that I’ve seen a picture of you, I don’t understand why you’re the Greater Beta around these parts? Like I do, because you’ve enumerated it in a weird insularly logical sort of way, but not really, no.

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  276. aoefe wrote:

    However I don’t believe the average woman is attracted to serial killers or anyone who’d commit death row offences (even lifers).

    My personal experience is that the self confidence generated by a successful act of violence seems to attract women like flies even if you conceal the act from everyone, while the self confidence generated by a very successful business transaction has scarcely noticeable effect on women no matter how many people one tells.

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  277. I don’t understand anyone in this thread who would actually be tempted (or even consider) getting locked up to get some penpal pussy. No pussy is worth getting reamed by some Big Show lookalike motherfucker.

    I know the prison pop prefers prettyboy white guys, but sooner or later they’ll get around to my half-black ass.

    And then in the words of Martin Niemoller, “…there was no one left to speak for me.”

    (Heh, love how I can slip in Pro Wrestling references and feel vindicated. I knew there was a reason I liked this place.)

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  278. DA, now that I’ve seen a picture of you, I don’t understand why you’re the Greater Beta around these parts?

    Remember, I’m not a beta, but a sub-human male. Somehow, I’m amazed that nobody has said anything mean yet.

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  279. Ever hear about those women reporting to their psychoanalysts after 9-11, that they fantasized about Bin Laden? Now it all makes sense!!

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  280. If women are as terrible as Roissy says they are (and he’s convincing me that they are http://hbdbooks.com/2009/07/feminism-and-the-destruction-of-the-west-part-ii/), why would anybody ever want to have anything to do with these creatures we call “women”? Who would dedicate their life to being able to spend more time around them? Sex can be payed for.

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  281. I was surprised that most men commenters here still divide women to Madonnas and Whores.

    They still cling to the belief that Madonnas would never fall for a bad guy. They are still looking for the Madonna.

    Women are humans. All humans have their Shadow.

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  282. Richard Hoste: Do you know why men keep climbing Mt. Everest? Because it is there.

    People are here ruthlessly discussing the difficulty of obtaining and keeping a woman. Shadow of women contains many difficulties.

    Resigning from pursuit of something you deem valuable just because it is difficult is not very manly.

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  283. […] gina tingle Posted on September 1, 2009 by Ferdinand Bardamu The fairer sex (hat tip: Cliff Arroyo), my dick: The sister of Premiership footballer Calum Davenport yesterday mouthed the words […]

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  284. Just consider that all of our ancestors were exactly this type of male and female, or else none of us would be here today.

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  285. Dana, you talk tough for a saved hoe.

    I’ve done many stupid things for love.

    I’ve never sucked a guy’s cock for implying he was in a rock band.

    We are both still following the same patterns set by our core values.

    Think about that next time you attempt to assert your superioritaah.

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  286. “Women will go broke for the men they love. Remember that the next time you’re tempted to buy a girl a drink.”

    Why not grind Lesser Betas and Om3gas in the ground with the heel of your boot? Who knows maybe women do like outright jerk Alphas, period. I was hoping that women most like decent Men but will settle for jerks over a ‘nice guy’ if single decent Men are not to be found. Oh well. X( Maybe D. Alexander can feel good that he has plenty of company.

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  287. Gil, what exactly is a decent man to you?

    A guy who always follows the rules, even when they’re stupid or harmful?

    That’s not even my definition of a decent girl.

    Humans suck. Get used to it. If you don’t suck, that makes you the exception, and you should probably be looking for an exceptional girl who also doesn’t suck.

    If you suck just as much as most people, then why complain about the flavor? Suck right along with the rest of the sheeple.

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  288. Jack Lover

    I was surprised that most men commenters here still divide women to Madonnas and Whores.

    Seems like a good system to me.

    They still cling to the belief that Madonnas would never fall for a bad guy.

    A “Madonna,” by definition, cannot do that. If she does, she is not really a Madonna.

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  289. Gil, a lot of women ‘like’ decent men, but remember, but for the most part ‘like’ =/= ‘have sex with’.

    In choosing sex partners, women who are given free choice (without heavy cultural conditioning) will go for the jerks every time.

    Cultural conditioning can overcome that (and does in cultures that still take the time to train young women to detect and value character). But in the west for the last 30 or more years women have been conditioned to go with their lowest, basest desires (as a form of self-actualization) and not given any instruction on how to judge character. This means (among other things) that thugs and violent assholes and burdens to civil society reproduce at a much higher rate than decent men.

    Look at Cara Davenport, a middle class English woman whose chosen to bear the children of _two_ violent thugs rather than some productive member of society and there’s not the slightest indication that she perceives that as a problem.

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  290. on September 1, 2009 at 8:31 am Virginia Gentleman

    OneSTDV:

    Your assessment might be right, but remember: It’s Megan Fox we’re talking about here. I’m not convinced that there’s anything actually resembling a logical process going on in her head. After all, this is the woman who took a shot at Michael Bay, perhaps the only reason anyone outside of lad’s mags and so forth have heard of her.

    Again, this might be accurate, but I doubt anyone would ever go broke betting on the apparent ignorance of Megan Fox.

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  291. Cultural conditioning can overcome that (and does in cultures that still take the time to train young women to detect and value character

    It’s true. If you have an oportunity, see how preteen and teen girls are raised in more traditional societies. They are not indulged and adored like in the US. Especially if they are very pretty. The parents, older siblings and extended family neg them endlessly.

    “Why are you sitting there like a clod? wake up! quit being a dummie and go hug your auntie!”

    I’ve seen this in rural Eastern Europe and in Arab countries. These girls are sweet and very respectful from a very young age on. Those same girls in the US are already full-blown haughty princesses with overawakened sexuality brought on by pop culture.

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  292. There is also religion, I grew up roman catholic as did my sister. And while all her non catholic friends are slutting it up she’s in a monogamous relationship with a decent guy.

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  293. I would suggest that these women read the book Games Criminals Play which is about how clever these jail-birds are at finding a person’s weak points and manipulating these pigeons for their personal gain. Of course, “but my man is not like that” would be par for the course.

    I’d also recommend the story The Frog and the Scorpion

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  294. I stand by my opinion

    While a woman´s status is simply beauty and age, a man´s status includes facial beauty, physical strength, height, creativity/humour, “attitude” (or confidence) , income (and income potential or ambition), and so on. Sluts like poetry overweight physical strength and overvalue what passes as confidence/attitude in stronger men, which is simply the confidence that you can beat the guys around you.

    I can see Poetry rejecting a bald/dwarf like Neill Strauss and going for the bouncer.

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  295. Well, ghost girl, I was saying I was hoping there was a mystical third path between a violent thug and spineless dweeb – a guy who would be manly enough to get what he wants and protect what he has without doing it in illegal and violent ways. It would be nice to think guys don’t have find themselves sandwiched into dichotomy where they must choose between being an ultra-violent, super-Alpha or a faggotty weak toejam sub-Om3ga. Maybe guys could somehow find out how to be decent, moral productive characters. Or maybe not . . .

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  296. It would be nice to think guys don’t have find themselves sandwiched into dichotomy where they must choose between being an ultra-violent, super-Alpha or a faggotty weak toejam sub-Om3ga. Maybe guys could somehow find out how to be decent, moral productive characters. Or maybe not . . .

    Not — if women have anything to say about it, apparently.

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  297. Remember, I’m not a beta, but a sub-human male. Somehow, I’m amazed that nobody has said anything mean yet.

    Perhaps because you’re perfectly attractive, and rather manlier looking than I anticipated. I was expecting someone scrawny and barely pubescent looking and instead, voila! Manly.

    Dana, you talk tough for a saved hoe.
    I’ve done many stupid things for love.
    I’ve never sucked a guy’s cock for implying he was in a rock band.
    We are both still following the same patterns set by our core values.
    Think about that next time you attempt to assert your superioritaah.

    Wow, Nicole I did not expect shaming for a checked past from you. I may not understand all your points, but I thought you had a general ‘no harm no foul’ thing going on. Disappointed I am.

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  298. Al, my past isn’t checked. It’s matte black and smells like Coco, cash, and weed.

    That reported incident (which may or may not be true since hoes often lie about the wrong thing) just confirmed something I already sensed about her: she’s a hoe.

    I don’t even allow lipstick lampreys like her to speak to me offline. She would latch herself onto one of my crew, and be the reason he wouldn’t be able to pay back what he owes me.

    No matter which kind of ivory tower hoes like her live in, to the soldiers whose feet actually touch the earth, they just look like a little ant clinging to a cock.

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  299. lol, like i would fuck anything that would even talk to you, ogre

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  300. Gil, there is a middle ground of course, but to get there the average western guy today has to go looking for those experiences. A bit of controlled violence used to be a normal part of male life. Also, there’s a long history of American men especially deciding that if it being a man is illegal, then they would rather be outlaws than not be men.

    Women, I think, like those things in a man, but the men who think like this are fewer and farther between in a culture where boys aren’t allowed to fight, and instead get bullied and told it’s wrong for them to stand up for themselves.

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  301. Dana, see this is why I don’t allow bitches like you to talk to me offline. What you call an ogre, your man would call a valued colleague.

    You’d snitch if you thought it would get you another dollar.

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  302. Not — if women have anything to say about it, apparently.

    Oh well then. Given the choices, I’d much rather be the fagotty weak toejam sub-human males in lieu of a boorish super-Alpha with criminal record. No woman is worth degrading one’s self.

    Perhaps because you’re perfectly attractive, and rather manlier looking than I anticipated. I was expecting someone scrawny and barely pubescent looking and instead, voila! Manly.

    I think I’m going to have to do some chest shots to disprove this theory that’s floating around. I am certainly not attractive, and I’m not manly as evidenced by the fact that the kids still hug me…

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  303. nicole my husband wants to kill every nigger on the planet, he would not consider you a “valued colleague” or even human

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  304. Will someone in Israel PLEASE just shoot Nicole already?

    Eurosabra, Zohan, whomever. Just get it done.

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  305. Dana, so you settled for a pussy who blames his failure on an entire race of people his only contact with is probably getting his ass kicked by them. Now I understand why you’re so frustrated and angry.

    I feel sorry for you, but you’re still a hoe.

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  306. DA:

    Oh well then. Given the choices, I’d much rather be the fagotty weak toejam sub-human males in lieu of a boorish super-Alpha with criminal record. No woman is worth degrading one’s self.

    It’s only a criminal record if you get caught.

    Oh, and trust me, you are degrading yourself most assuredly here on this blog, each and every day.

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  307. Tupac, why do you want Euro to commit suicide? I don’t have anything against him.

    …and though your white knighting for a hoe is indeed noble, it’s still stupid. I admire your dedication to defending the lowest of the low though.

    You’re such a sweet guy.

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  308. …and though your white knighting for a hoe is indeed noble, it’s still stupid. I admire your dedication to defending the lowest of the low though.

    I’m not defending Dana, it’s just that I’d rather stab myself in the eyes with red hot pokers than have to endure any more of your self-centered babble.

    You’re such a sweet guy.

    “no fat chicks”

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  309. Oh, and trust me, you are degrading yourself most assuredly here on this blog, each and every day.

    I retain some value from being the virtual scapegoat on the blog since there’s little cost to me. I retain no value as a sex-chasing violent thug that basically reinforces the nigger stereotype.

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  310. Nicole hates the Jews because she suffered that wonderful, vibrant and colorful feature of sub-saharan culture, female circumcision while the Jooos circumcise boys.

    so a black woman, who will only be banged by black men (as I have extensively documented here) faces , as Hannah MOntana would say, the worst of both worlds. Uncircumcised black man while she is circumcised

    Knowing that if she was born just the other side of the Red Sea it would be the opposite

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  311. I retain some value from being the virtual scapegoat on the blog since there’s little cost to me.

    Does “self-respect” mean anything to you?

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  312. on September 1, 2009 at 1:33 pm Cannon's Canon

    since the “flying roundhouse kick” was first mentioned, i’ve been imagining a MoCap Nicole character in a mortal kombat game with the liu kang moves set. obviously rocking the belly-dancer outfit.

    alternatively, she could double for Awesome Kong

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  313. I’m not manly as evidenced by the fact that the kids still hug me…

    a. Idiot. Girls and boys like alphas and will hug them. Boy kids love them (disclaimer: lmted experience of family only) and will hug them.
    b. I’m revoking my niceness because you’re rewarded it with things like:
    “No woman is worth degrading one’s self.”
    “Some of us would rather have a drinking problem than to deal with your real world and it’s “women”.”

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  314. Cannon, hush. You know you’d have hit that 19 years ago.

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  315. alternatively, she could double for Awesome Kong
    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3285/3332073573_a593f799ed.jpg

    Any man who does not find that image attractive is a sheeple who can’t handle a strong woman.

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  316. Tupac, so all it takes to strip you of your dignity is some visible ribs?

    …or not even visible ribs, but *reported* thinness that none of us has seen to confirm or deny.

    If I went to a website and pretended to be skinny, but didn’t post pics, would you fall over yourself to play Simon says, echo, or ride the bandwagon with me if I told people I was a whore, but then got all pissed off when they agreed?

    Gig, I’m intact, and I don’t hate Jews. I just hate snitches.

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  317. …and Tupac, you’re misrepresenting me, and you know it.

    …unless you’re an idiot.

    I didn’t think you were that much of an idiot, but I could be wrong.

    For the record though:

    I think it’s guys who think a 5’4″ 120 lbs. woman who successfully defends herself from a 6’2″ 180 lbs. man is a psycho for stabbing him in a non vital area, is a sheep who can’t handle a strong woman.

    He’s a pussy who can’t handle the thought of small women not being harmless just because they’re small.

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  318. Dang…excuse the mutilation of grammar. I got distracted, boyfriend called.

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  319. Does “self-respect” mean anything to you?

    Yes, it does. Becoming a violent thug to secure orgasms is detrimental to my self-respect.

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  320. nicole i have not said ONE word about my appearance. at ALL. i have mentioned only my age, marital status, ethnicity and education, scant curriculum vitae

    for all anyone knows i could weigh 350 lbs and have no legs or look like a model

    either way, men don’t take your ideas seriously when they know what you look like–and you are a case in point

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  321. Well, Tupac seems to be convinced he’s defending a slim, misguided rider of the cock carousel turned faithful wifey.

    As far as how men take my ideas, I hope you don’t think the interweb is real life. Offline, nobody takes hoes seriously.

    Example of why, “my husband is a racist who thinks all ur people desurve to diiiiiiiie” is not something I would broadcast in public.

    Snitch.

    That was so easy, I’d hate to think what would happen to you if a cop got ahold of you.

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  322. This is not really that surprising. In the distant past, a woman was better served by mating with a violent man because he could protect her better in a nasty, violent world full of warring tribes.

    Women have evolved to get turned on by violent men who dominate their environments. Simple as that. Attraction is not a choice.

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  323. Nicole

    I think it’s guys who think a 5′4″ 120 lbs. woman who successfully defends herself from a 6′2″ 180 lbs. man is a psycho for stabbing him in a non vital area, is a sheep who can’t handle a strong woman.

    He’s a pussy who can’t handle the thought of small women not being harmless just because they’re small.

    “Can handle” and want to all the time need to handle a hyper aggressive woman all the time are two different things.

    Yeah white and Latino men not to mention Asian men (i.e. the great majority of the world) tend to think that most black women are too aggressive; certainly a lot of the stereotypically heavy and “big boned” ones tend to be. But to each their own.

    Now Chic doesn’t strike me as too aggressive. Too wanting to have the matriarchal last word on everything she wants to have it on in a relationship with a man, yes, but not too aggressive, no.

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  324. Doug, maybe it’s a Black thing. My dad paid for years of TKD because he figured it’d be a good idea for a 100 lbs. girl to know how to defend herself.

    If it doesn’t turn you on, that just makes you common. Not every man on the planet is common though. There are plenty of male martial artists who both then and now, view me as a fragile flower.

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  325. I have wanted to be able to defend myself or at least vastly improve my abilities there for a long time. Should move that up the To Do List.

    I think being a fragile flower is very much a mental state, supplemented by (but not entirely dependent on) the physical.

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  326. Bhetti, I suspect that mental state is the one thing that kept me from being dreadfully alone while I was fatter. It’s not about being weak or silly, but just being a woman…not trying to be a man.

    It is possible to be very strong without trying to be a man. I like to think of it as a kind of “shieldmaiden” personality. You can kick ass when you need to, in whatever field you need to, but still be aware of and comfortable with your womanhood. Lots of eastern European ladies are like that.

    It is a good idea to learn self defense for practical reasons. I do strongly believe though, that being more physically comfortable in your own skin helps a woman to be more feminine as much as it helps men to be more masculine. Physical fitness was for combat and life fitness before we started living in boxes in cities. Honing your skills just makes you a better human.

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  327. I wonder if it’s worth the effort of pointing out that there’s bound to be a strong element of fantasy in these women’s taste for serial killers and other violent men behind bars. Such women see a picture or read a story of some murderer long before they even meet him; they are able to meet him only rarely; and, best of all, the man is behind bars, serving a life sentence and often on death row to boot. The women may simper that they hope their darlings are released some day, but they must realise how unlikely this is, and indeed it’s probably a large part of the attraction for them. They know they’ll never have to confront the reality of their folly.

    Of course there are women who are drawn to violent men whom they know in “real life”, but that’s a different matter from the ghouls who write letters to imprisoned murderers. The former probably choose such men because they’re hardscrabble girls themselves, and that’s all they know.

    The latter, I suspect, are more likely to be silly middle-class idiots with limited experience of life, who think they can acquire such experience vicariously through their men. Also, I’ve noticed that in the most famous of these cases of death-row darlings, the men in question are unusually attractive to look at and often of more or less respectable backgrounds themselves: Robert Chambers; the Menendez brothers; Ted Bundy; Scott Petersen.

    Another point to remember is that well-meaning middle-class women like to pride themselves on their sympathy with other people’s suffering. A man with a good sob story, which many crooks know how to concoct, is like catnip to them. Sometimes the sob story might even be demonstrably true, which makes it all the easier to convince a certain type of woman that her murderer is really a good man deep inside.

    I don’t think most women are this foolish or disturbed, although I admit it’s an example of tendencies that may exist in most women, carried to the point of pathology.

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  328. dana: “i could weigh 350 lbs ”

    Only if you lay off the donuts, girl.

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  329. on September 2, 2009 at 3:44 am msexceptiontotherule

    MNL;
    “The fact that all women don’t throw themselves at asshole male prison inmates doesn’t negate the point. The point is not that all women will indeed do so. Prison inmates–and the women who part their legs for them–are merely the tail end of a spectrum shared by all.”

    Ideally, the women interested in inmates on death row are NOT allowed to part anything of theirs closer than their side of the really thick protective glass composite that stands between them and their …sensitive, wrongly accused, loving, (psychopathic mad-dog killer) soul mate with whom they have developed a deep bond and incredible connection and hope to someday be together on the outside.
    I say they should be encouraged to meet up with these men at a time they don’t have their hands and feet shackled then connected to each other by various chain configurations, a sharp object, and in a dark room that they’re told has another inmate who they’re totally not cool with waiting in it, for as many times as it takes to permanently get rid of the “Arkham Asylum” crazy women, and then shoot the inmate from the guard tower when the light is back on. Just to make sure the whole thing works out like it’s supposed to and that would be impossible if more inmates were to find out, they have all the time in the world to gossip after all. Someone has to be the sacrificial lamb, poor inmates…

    “…[this is a good point. there is virtually no similar trend of men falling head over heels in love with female inmates. the fact that this twisted love is the purview of women solely should be cause to suspect a deeper impulse that all women share, to a lesser or greater extent.

    Sure there is, they just aren’t as interesting to report on for the media. Suspect nothing, these women professing love for a death row inmate are like Veruca Salt….bad nuts.

    Anonymous;
    “Men don’t pursue female violent inmates to near the same degree–or at least we don’t read about it. There are no men (are there even any?) who flood mailboxes of violent females with marriage proposals.”
    …”I don’t know. A large number of women in prison report being propositioned, seduced, coerced, and/or raped by guards.”

    So did you see the movie “American Me” and think that the guys who brought the dude who thought that he was going with his ‘friends’ to drink jail-produced alcohol in the kitchen and then was put through an ‘initiation’ process he just wasn’t healthy enough to live through – all of which was an ‘unintended’ outcome of the activities?

    ….The guards who engage in such activities are taking advantage of a situation they have all of the power in, since the women are prisoners and thus must follow the rules just like all inmates are expected to do – male and female. The knowledge that a guard can easily access is used to ensure silence or coerce into complying, and often targets those who stand out as ‘shot-callers’ for their various groups because of its effect – which typically makes sure the rest of the inmates toe the line without making any difficulties for guards to deal with.

    Maybe guys have realized that there are enough crazy women to go around OUTSIDE of prison, so they’d rather not look for ones that they won’t be able to touch without protective glass composite between them?

    Perhaps someone can suggest on the death row inmate love network that there are far more worthy people that they can write to, who would appreciate the money spent on care packages (instead of wasting it on someone who’s in jail waiting to die because they’re BAD people who really DID DO bad things) a hell of a lot. People may not agree with the war, or lead a private protest from their computer screens over how long it’s taking to bring our troops back, but since they’re there – we should support them. We can’t hate them for doing their job, and shouldn’t be as awful to them the way people were to the vets coming back from Vietnam. Can we just work on how to legally stick the baby boomers into public hospital/nursing facilities that ensure their families won’t visit them for the rest of their lives,as soon as we can force them into early retirement to save money? After everything they’ve ruined and all, they should be grateful their children are too busy trying to get out from under their parents’ over-involved and idealized personal potential which led to the mistaken belief that their kids could be anything and do anything that they wanted as long as they worked hard and believed – to be out of therapy and seeking a court order for them to put their parents in a facility and appoint them as legal conservators.

    (http://AnySoldier.com is somewhere to start!)

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  330. on September 2, 2009 at 5:04 am msexceptiontotherule

    and since I have to be up anyway for a flight…and noticed several someone(s) mentioned the character Titus Pullo from “Rome”. The portrayal was tasty, but that’s where the proverbial line to denote the stop point has been drawn. It’s difficult to imagine anyone could be capable of suspending disbelief so as to be entertained by the impossible and involved with the interaction of the characters to find out what happens in that final scene (though sometimes the end sucks and pisses the audience off with the lack of any real conclusion since they were left with an unanswered “Why the fuck”) from movies and tv with the realization that the people who played various roles are very much not who their character was.

    However, I am that someone.
    I also, do not go see many movies or watch tv religiously for a laundry list of shows. It’s not like there are any real *new* plots that will be screenplays-turned-into-blockbuster hit movies and scripts-turned-successful-tv series out there. Yeah, the remakes Rob Zombie’s responsible for are just re-creating his version of two from a series of flicks loosely tied into ‘Halloween’ rivaling the Hellraiser variation-on-a-pinhead-theme offerings are pretty interesting to watch. But I don’t think a guy who straight stabs people because he’s stabbing people right then, and when he’s not he’s waiting to walk to where more people he can stab happen to be – not sexy. And if anyone finds a box that chains with hooks fly out of and embed themselves into the person dumb enough to search it out until they find it so they can be yet another idiot who opens it – well, I guess it’s a way to separate the ones who need to be culled from those who orchestrate the culling.

    How many ways can Pinhead be foiled in the end before he’s *really* pissed and changes the strategy so he’ll win once in a while? Evidently, enough for 10 movies about it.

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  331. What is the point here? Talk to any of those dudes on death row and ask them how much sex they’ve had in the past week. Past year. Past DECADE. Or are you trying to prove some point about men really only needing love?

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  332. “Normally, older, more experienced men DO have some social distance they need to bridge with younger woman. Not so with Edward Cullen! He is COOLZ and Goes To Schoolz! Yes, a 100 year old vampire is ‘learning’ algebra in High School, just like Bella!”

    Hahahah! That is hilarious! Comment_Whatever, I know my response is like 100 comments later but I just had to reply that your post was awesome!

    It may add some insight to the social impossibility that is Edward that Stephanie Meyers, the author of this ilk, is a hardcore Mormon. Edward represents the prototypical Mormon girl wet dream – the creepy (OLDER) stalker guy who is violent, powerful, and yet holds out sexually for his one true love. Barf!

    Twilight represents one of the many high selling products targeted towards the demographic of children/teenage girls. It’s okay to sell “sexual tension” to gina tingling little girls, as long as the sexual tension is warded off with some pseudo christian pretense of abstinence: Hence, the Jonas brothers spraying their audiences of screaming preteen girls with “foam guns” while upholding pretense of “christian values” with their purity rings.

    The social paradox that is Edward may either represent the impossibility of what women truly want; or maybe, a marketing ploy to sell sex to children.

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  333. The gulf between women who would pursue a romance with a DR inmate and those who would not – is at least as wide as that between the men who choose to commit cold-blooded murder and those who would not.

    So yeah, differences of degree. But big ones.

    There is pathology on both sides in these situations.

    “I have wanted to be able to defend myself or at least vastly improve my abilities there for a long time. Should move that up the To Do List.

    I think being a fragile flower is very much a mental state, supplemented by (but not entirely dependent on) the physical.”

    I have to agree. People rarely fuck with me, even though physically I appear to be the most delicate of flowers.

    I have never been bullied. Although there has been attempted verbal and physical harassment, the first time is always the last. It’s mostly in the way you hold yourself. I have excellent posture, and exude an aura of dignity. Men who don’t know me well spontaneously apologize when they swear in front of me. People may gossip behind my back, but everyone is always very nice to my face -there’s none of this casual insulting humor everyone seems to love these days. I never so much as get ‘negged’.

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  334. @S – “I can’t because I’m on my period.” So then?

    Use a natural sea sponge and you won’t have to use the excuse…I’ll give you details contact me. 🙂

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  335. Sorry wrong thread for above advice. ooops.

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  336. I think most of these women are negresses.

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  337. I keep telling you people on period lay down a towel little blood never hurt no one unless it contained some disease he he he

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  338. This “Loving a Death Row Inmate” forum is ripe for righteous trollery. I’d log in under a female pseudonym (something similarly cutesy as the other female forum members, like “unicorngirlrainbowflyer”) and talk about how my lover wanted me to join him in slowly torturing and killing a teenage virgin, and then eating the victim’s heart together to seal our pact of eternal love, and how the thought makes me cry and orgasm like I’ve never orgasmed with any other man. I wonder how many sympathetic ears I would get?

    DO IT!

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  339. Lol, Beta of the Universe Award goes to James Whitehouse, who married a Charles Manson follower, Susan Atkins, who is 15 years older than him, and, well in prison. He also is her lawyer.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090903/ap_on_re_us/us_manson_follower

    Lowest form of human life ever. This guy is so mind bogglingly omega, I’ll probably need testosterone shots for the next few days just from thinking about this piece of dogshit.

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  340. on September 4, 2009 at 12:22 pm Martian Bachelor

    I agree with the tip-of-the-iceberg take on this topic.

    But being in a lazy mood I’ll just cut-n-paste some snippets from the creative class who’ve already pretty much said it all:

    Bjork (“All Neon Like”):
    With a razorblade
    I’ll cut a slit open
    And the luminous beam
    Feeds you honey, heals you

    Don’t get angry with yourself

    I’ll heal you, i’ll heal you…

    Patti Rothberg (“Treat Me Like Dirt”):
    the reason i want you so much
    is cuz i know you’re no good for me
    so together we are perfect dontcha see?…
    …standing at the threshold of
    another bad obsession, yeah
    …if i had a dollar
    every minute every hour
    that i spent obsessing madly
    …and how badly that i wanted you

    Iggy Pop: “Chicks are twisted.”

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  341. nicole to dana I’ve never sucked a guy’s cock for implying he was in a rock band.

    😯

    this can’t be true, it just can’t be. Dana tell me you never did this please.

    *begs on hands and knees*

    Please, don’t destroy my innocence.

    @fake chic- good job 🙂

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  342. no i did it because he was fuckin’ hot and it was a boring ferry ride, him saying he was a rock star’s bro was just part of his PUA MO

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  343. […] this, please Several days ago, Roissy posted a bunch of excerpts from a forum for women who correspond with, fall in love with,  and marry pris…, guys on death row and such. It’s a rather long post, and it’s really quite amazing. […]

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  344. I agree with the majority of premises on the majority of this board — but I disagree with the premise that women crave violence or violent men. I think they see that as a negative, but a negative they can handle… in precisely the same way that men view the fishy smell of a poorly-attended or exceptionally pungent vagina. The woman with the stinky vagina is still beautiful and feminine and since the violent aroma can be pushed out of sight and out of mind, the overall picture is still lovely. Coming back to the violent man, here you have a man whose masculinity cannot be called into question, and though his crimes are unfortunate, they can be forgiven. What we might lack is a complete explanation as to why women flock to men who are known to be violent. Well, did you ever consider maybe it’s because they understand violence and wanting to be violent? Maybe they want the violence of a man to stand up and serve a purpose in their lives, like many people want a loud, disgusting barking dog. A woman like that is going to look past the risks and bruises and cuts and shame and all the rest to see the object of her desire: a powerful man who isn’t afraid to get dangerous and strike his enemies.

    [editor: an interesting analogy to smelly vaginas, but there is a flaw — a smelly vagina *by itself* will not give a man a boner, but a slap across the face or some other physical expression of dominance by a man over a woman *will* lubricate her vagina. this is why after-fight sex is such a powerful aphrodisiac for women while its effects are mostly neutral for men.]

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  345. […] fairer sex (hat tip: Cliff Arroyo), my dick: The sister of Premiership footballer Calum Davenport yesterday mouthed the words […]

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  346. […] will ignore the obvious monster in front of them as long as they don’t have to see its […]

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  347. […] Stop!  You deserve better than her, and she definitely doesn’t deserve you.  Move on.  She’s actually happier getting used by assholes than she would be living in a nice house with …. She despises you for being nice to her.  She loves the asshole for treating her how she deserves […]

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  348. […] best to be alpha about your crimes. I anticipate that McCloskey will have more offers from women in the first week of his imprisonment than the average beta schmuck gets during his entire […]

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  349. Croatian war criminal, sentenced to six years for killing and torturing civilians in a prison, was apprehended yesterday after six years on the run. He was arrested in his family house in the presence of his young unwed wife and a child that he has with her. He also formally has a wife and two children from a marriage before he was sentenced.

    This chick was really too stupid to recognize a war criminal whose face and name have been all over the local and national news for many years, or she knew the truth and was turned on by the allure of a murderer. Either way, it’s astounding…

    Sources:
    http://daily.tportal.hr/88194/Convicted-war-criminal-arrested-after-six-years-on-the-run.html (English translation doesn’t mention wife)
    http://slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/116643/Default.aspx (Croatian – title translation: “Criminal on the run found another wife and fathered a son”

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  350. […] and assorted bad apples. If we map this desire on a bell curve, we would see at the far right tail the women who send letters to death row inmates and sometimes even fuck them and bear their children. In the middle would be the mass (and I do […]

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