Spot The Alpha: Big Face Edition

A number of readers emailed me this photo:

charm offensive

[Today we have a guest appearance by famed Yankee sportscaster Phil Rizzuto, the voice behind the sexually suggestive play-by-play in Meat Loaf’s Paradise by the Dashboard Light, to give us the color commentary for this photo.]

Ok, here we go, we got a real pressure cooker
going here, two world leaders, nobody on, no score,
bottom of the American empire, there’s the walk-up and
there it is, a dead fish handshake tucked in close, look
at Obama try-hard. This boy can really fail!
He’s getting his fingers squeezed and really smiling a lot
now, he’s not letting up at all, he’s gonna
try for the shoulder pat; the alpha maneuver is bobbled off-center,
and here comes Medvedev’s response, and what a snub!
He’s not even gonna turn his head, here he comes, he’s alpha!
And, wait, a smirk–a smirk and a head cock, this Russian really
makes the amateur pay with his haughty disdain.
Obama steps up to the podium, here’s the greeting–
he’s leaning in, and what beta body language he’s got, he’s trying
too hard, here’s the shake, it’s by the fingertips–
dissed in public! Holy cow, stolen dignity!
Obama’s taking a pretty bad beating out there, almost
begging him to turn and face him directly. Medvedev
doesn’t even glance over, stands his ground, and it’s signaled, signaled
to the mass media, the new world order is on!
Here comes the new guy, alpha play, and it’s not even close,
here’s the match-up, there’s the play at the podium,
holy cow, Medvedev won’t even share a mic!
It’s a bad day for American leadership, folks!

***

I’m back. Thanks, Phil. Great JOOORB for a dead guy. The first time I analyzed the alpha-beta interplay of world leaders, it garnered a lot more controversy. But this photo leaves no doubt. Not since Kruschev’s theatrical shoe banging incident and his infamous “We will bury you” pronouncement, has there been such attempted disrespect of an American leader.

But, times have changed. Back then, though America was not as rich or decadent as she is now, she was a power on the rise. Perception matters, and right now the perception, justifiably, (thank you, massive third world immigration) is that America is a fading power. Which brings us to an interesting thought experiment. Judged only by the actions of Kruschev’s and Medvedev’s reactions to American leadership, in which time period was America more likely to be the alpha:

a. when Kruschev disrespected us, or

b. when Medvedev disrespected us?

You can sometimes better analyze who is the alpha male by the reactions of those around him. Are they deferential? Hostile? Disdainful? Indifferent? Hysterical? The answer to the above thought experiment is (A). Medvedev’s cocky smirk and Obama’s approval seeking body language tell us that Medvedev believes America is a has-been, a pushover, a laughingstock. In contrast, Kruschev’s paranoiac outrage is what you would expect from a lesser alpha trying desperately to unseat the top dog.

What makes this more humiliating for America is the fact that Russia is a basket case, drowning in alcoholics and oligarchs and demographically imploding. Obama was “big faced” by a second-rate thug.





Comments


  1. Spot on. I didn’t notice the handshake but you’re right. Medvedev has the much stronger grip.

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  2. on July 8, 2009 at 11:40 am Dr. Grzlickson

    Moving this from that other thread:

    I want to ask out a girl who works at the desk of a spa. Never spoke to her before, and there will probably be another girl at the desk too.

    Advice?

    I’m going to make an appointment for a haircut so I’ll have a minute to chat with her. No chance of using a wingman, so I’ll just try to ignore girl #2 during the whole process. I’m thinking I’ll just say there’s a house party this weekend and she should come.

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  3. The ultimate Alpha male: Vladamir Putin.

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  4. on July 8, 2009 at 11:41 am Dr. Grzlickson

    I’m doing this in about an hour so any advice is much appreciated

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  5. When you get regularly dissed like that by basketcases, then you are in Omega territory.

    We have become the fat, pimply kid with thick glasses, but who has lots of nice stuff that the bullies can mooch. And we are acting like the mooching is OK, as long as the bullies pay attention to us.

    Crap, we’re screwed.

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  6. This place is moderated now?
    When did that happen?

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  7. obama will get no play from foreign leaders: they have no reason to feel guilty

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  8. Roissy, watch out: commie bitch Cuntrag is gonna go apeshit and comment 10000x more now that you’ve made fun of her one true hero, love, and savior, NotMyPresident.

    Or, of course, call you a racist and leave for the HuffPo. But while the latter is a fantasy, the former seems more likely…

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  9. This reinforces my pereption that Obama is a puppet. He’s a nice guy, a greater beta with the sould of a poet, who would have made a pleasant schoolteacher. I think he actually believes all his make-nice talk.

    Khruschev is a classic case of the guy who flies under the radar of real alphas exterminating each other in a hobbesian all-against-all; or in his case, when the top alpha Stalin liquidated anyone who may have been a credible challenger to his power, and never took Khruchie seriously.

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  10. @km:

    I think Roissy is trying to limit the number of crap comments there are, especially after the Role Reveral post.
    /guilt

    In regards to this post:

    I know that Medvedev’s behavior is rude and disrespectful, and Obama’s can easily be interpreted as a pushover (that’s one of many things that concern me about having him as a President), but Russia is a terrible nation. It is a third world country. It has high HIV rates, high drug use rates, a bad economy, etc.

    Medvedev can act all Alpha he wants, it doesn’t hide that his country is…not as awesome as the USA. To put it nicely.

    So he can call this “one victory” among millions of losses.

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  11. Russia is a terrible nation

    I don’t come from a Russia-loving background; but it’s fascinating how America was once a free, conservative nation under God and the Russkies were a godless exporter of a global revolution.

    Today, these roles have reversed.

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  12. O, while materialistically we are a big threat today, right now, with NotMyPresident in charge, we’re like a giant weightlifter with the temperment of a pacifist hippie. In other words, we won’t do shit no matter what happens.

    NotMyPresident has already slipped to the world that he won’t consider nuclear options, and thinks that talking to dictators is the best solution. He’s still trying to call Iraq “lost” even after we won the war. He is a balless beta; we’ve all seen his wife.

    Compare that with Hillary. If she were in charge, most right wingers would feel safe at night, at least in terms of national security. She’d have no problem bombing the absolute shit out of anyone who crossed the line. She’d have no problem keeping CIA black sites open. She’s a cunt, but she’s a kick ass cunt.

    Once Russia figured out NotMyPresident was balless (very early on), you could predict this. Think about this O: if Hillary were in charge, do you think N. Korea or Iran would be pulling half the shit they are now? Or McCain? Please. it was Hillary urging The One to actually man up and defend the Iranian protesters, which he took way too long to do. She’d have the airforce dropping care packages to them and speaking about fighting theocracy.

    NotMyPresident is a beta, and the world knows it.

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  13. roissy, witness that cuntrag has already begun mounting her logicless defense of The One. Next she’ll be saying that anyone criticizing him is a racist…based on some story she heard once at a party. Oh, and that we should all get over being robbed, and let the robbers have our shit.

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  14. @Mandy! XD
    > Medvedev can act all Alpha he wants, it doesn’t hide that
    > his country is…not as awesome as the USA. To put it nicely.

    kinda “but my dad can beat up your dad” argument…

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  15. “Russia is a terrible nation”
    —why do I think Mandy would have an entirely different opinion if The Party still ran the country?

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  16. Psh. Russia is a dying empire. They can play alpha all they want but they’ll go down the drain long before we do.

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  17. I think people asking who’s the more powerful country are missing the point. The real question is: who needs who more?

    How many ways can we really hurt Russia that we haven’t done already? Bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO? More like to backfire than anything else.

    Meanwhile they have multiple levers of pressure – most importantly Iran.

    Just a thought.

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  18. Dr. Grzlickson

    “I want to ask out a girl who works at the desk of a spa. Never spoke to her before, and there will probably be another girl at the desk too.

    Advice?”

    Just bust it.

    Its summertime, see if she wants to roll to the house party.

    I wouldn’t ignore the other girl.

    Make it easy on yourself, invite them both.

    Deal with swooping the target at the gig.

    When you have alcohol on your side.

    She will probably be more apt to come if she can go with her little buddy from the spa.

    And wear a custom suit.

    – MPM

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  19. “I don’t come from a Russia-loving background; but it’s fascinating how America was once a free, conservative nation under God and the Russkies were a godless exporter of a global revolution.

    Today, these roles have reversed.”

    Huh?

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  20. Well, most of us adults have had a good run here in the US, growing up in the 30 years or so since the Reagan revolution, as we laughed at the failures cradle to grave socialism and all the other “we’re smarter than” youisms of European economic, military, and technological declines. With one election cycle, that’s all over.

    Anyway, forget big-handing. Obama got little chaired. Try this on your next AMOG.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/07/look-how-silly-russians-made-obama-look.html

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  21. Lurker,
    I’m not saying I agree w/Obama’s policies, I don’t and voted for McCain because I felt he had more experience and his policies were closer to my own on both the home and foreign fronts. That said, still, there is just no real basis for comparison btw the two countries at this point, every objective measure shows the USA far and away superior to Russia. Regardless of who’s in power.
    As for DPRK, Bush didn’t do any better really, so to expect a major win on that front is unlikely. And w/Iran, trust me, Israel will be all over that place if it thinks its got the bomb. No matter who’s POTUS.

    It remains to be seen as to whether Obama’s strength of personality will win the day or not. My central point to Roissy’s post was simply that, as you’ve shown, that most White Male members here cannot be objective wrt anything that has the word “Obama” in it, and that for anyone to seriously make the case that Russia is a serious world player as important if not moreso than the USA is either incredibly ignorant of basic geopolitical facts or grossly disengenuous.

    Or again, Obama-deranged.

    Take your pick.

    O

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  22. O, I think a lot of white people have troubles discussing Obama because they were in a dream zone of free unicorns and hopium suppositories.

    I never took the hopium, I saw through the hype. And at first, it looked like the more rational Obama supporters were right, that the guy was a moderate.

    NOPE. He is simply a big phony Chicago thug who basically will sign any POS bill that pelosi dredges up.

    So, nope, wrong, we can discuss Obama here quite objectively. Here, we are studying his body language and it is one of approval seeking.

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  23. O, Obama doesn’t have strength of personality. He has strength of insane anti-Bush backlash and fawning left-wing SWPL-media calling him a savior.

    As we said, NotMyPresident is a beta bitch, and that is why most of us hate him. With Hillary, who is on the same side of the table as him, we know she isn’t a shrinking violet.

    Beta=death of America.

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  24. The liberal media – and its coddling swpl Jon Stewart laugh track – deceived the gullible, degenerate American public into believing obama was The Anser. The Chosen One. The Leader

    when it’s apparent to foreigners free from Liberal media bias, that it was pure fabrication.

    actions speak louder than…

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  25. Very simple

    Russians are different.

    Vladimir Putin and Genghis Khan are among the top alphas that I know.

    Although in terms of banging women and fathering children, GK is definitely in his own league.

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  26. on July 8, 2009 at 12:56 pm ironrailsironweights

    I want to ask out a girl who works at the desk of a spa. Never spoke to her before, and there will probably be another girl at the desk too.

    By “spa,” do you mean one of these rub & tug massage joints?

    Peter

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  27. (awaits whiskeys response about obama/thuggery)

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  28. km:
    This place is moderated now?

    no. i will be randomly deleting comments from the most prolifically boring and repetitive commenters, instead. i find that random comment deletions are more effective than moderation for persuading the worst offenders to shape up.

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  29. Russia is not a third world country!

    It’s not even really second world, it’s kind of 1.5 world. The main issue they face is that the economy is too resource extraction dependent, which makes it very vulnerable to the kind of economic crisis we have now. The governmental system is not as corrupt as you think — it’s simply very authoritarian, which is in keeping with the national temperament and history as well.

    It’s a big mistake to underestimate the Russians. They have a fantastic educational system and have, still, some of the world’s leading physicists. They are the only other country that has a space program that is anything close to America’s (yes, China is coming along, but still not close to where the Russians are — the Russians have better physicists). It has a huge military and, as we’ve seen in recent years, wields substantial hard and soft power all around its border areas, and it has a *very* long border. Russia has very effectively prevented the West from expanding its influence into Transcaucasia, for example, has countered the West in its approach to Iran, and so on.

    Underestimating the Russians, or seeing them as a screwed up third world country, quite misses the mark. The country is, instead, a very uneven place. There are many screwed up things, places and people. But when you shift your gaze toward the upper echelons who actually run the place and get things done, it’s a lot more impressive than many in the West seem to think.

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  30. And on a different note, you warhawk neocons can stop trying to constantly paint Obama as weak and tell America that is seeming weak, etc. Being aggressive is not the only strategy, and policing the world is definitely not a winning strategy.

    All you do is bitch, while things are getting done. Obama is cleaning up the problems your poster boy Bush made. Obama is SMART. His IQ is up there with Clinton, who was also a much better president than Bush. In these modern times we need a progressive smart president who goes with the times, who actually understands wtf facebook is, the implications of stem cell research, tries to lead the economy. Not goes, “ehh, lets catch some bugs! Axis of evil…” You see, not being aggressive can be MORE effective and MORE powerful. Obama is smart. It’s easy to talk and critisize, but Obama gets stuff done, and you don’t.

    The economy got f***ed up under Bush, not Obama.

    Obama holds back as Iran protesters are fighting . . . SMART MOVE. The last thing you want is Tehran later saying it was all an American set-up. We can’t fight their battles for them. Look at the Kurds and what we promised them during Hussein … they got MASSACRED, and it looked really bad for the USA.

    I’m tired of America’s short sighted foreign policies, such as in Vietnam (war), in Afghanistan (war, Osama), in Iraq (two wars, fear of “WMD” dictator). We always walk away leaving some madman in power, and then get our ass bit. Obama is careful and conscientious, and that’s why I believe in him more than aggressive stupidity.

    Greg

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  31. Askjoe, Lurker,
    Obama is certainly no “thug”, there is nothing in his background that suggests as much. Again, I don’t agree w/him and in fact voted against him in the elections. I just don’t se much point in demonizing the Man because I lost and disagree with him.

    His approach is to be more concilliatory, and following to more “cowboy diplomacy” of GWB, I don’t really have a judgment about it yet. I’ve decided to give Obama till the midterm elections of 2010 before I make an assessment of his presidency and his programs. That in my view is fair. Others may disagree.

    In any event, no one here can challenge what I said about Obama or Russia/USA above. If they I’d certainly like to see where, exactly, I’m wrong.

    O

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  32. @Dr. Grzlickson
    from a girl’s point of view, I’d be far more likely to attend if you also invited the friend.

    I feel like context should play some role; if I had no idea who these guys were I’d agree with what the post says, but since Putin’s Puppet is running a country struggling to remain relevant and powerful to me he looks like a petulant boor trying to score points. Pres. Obama, by virtue of being President, can ignore it.

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  33. Greg is a prime deletion candidate. Poor baby, someone doesn’t love your fairy dream prince

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  34. Greg

    while things are getting done

    Any examples of this?

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  35. Nice work with the Phil Rizzuto impression, Roissy. Lighten’s things up.

    Obama is a joke, it’s becoming clearer by the hour. Lurker (12:07) is right in his analysis.

    O – with all due respect, and you’re often really insightful – the whole “you white males can’t be objective about Obama” angle is a load of horseshit. If we follow your reasoning to it’s logical endpoint, only half-white, half-Kenyan people can be objective about the Dear Leader’s performance. Unless you resort to Sotomayor-esque “wise Latina” reasoning, it’s clear that one can be objective about the Dear Leader without sharing his genetic profile

    BO is less black than Michael Jackson. He’s a preppie from paradise. His childhood experience in mixed-race Hawaii and young adult experience in hothouse liberal academic culture has nothing to do with the typical black American experience, and it is only anti-Bush fervor and while guilt that had propelled this naïve, bookish, leftist’s leftist to the corridors of power.

    I put away my 9, fool, cause I’m colorblind. 🙂

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  36. PA—

    This reinforces my pereption that Obama is a puppet. He’s a nice guy, a greater beta with the sould of a poet, who would have made a pleasant schoolteacher. I think he actually believes all his make-nice talk.

    I don’t know that he’s exactly a puppet.

    But I do think he’s used to being molly coddled. He’s not used to people playing hardball with him, esp. not whites.

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  37. Roissy, I think Obama can transgress some body language don’ts without taking a hit in the popularity department because there’s this aura of mystique that surrounds him. His tonality, looks, youth, and rhetorical flourish all make up for his subtle body language indiscretions.

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  38. Thug doesn’t mean what you think it does. He is a chicago thug. He sent his ACORN drones to harass family members of AIG CEO’s. He threatened GM bond holder with public shaming (i.e., crazy leftwing death threats) if they didn’t play ball and give it up for Obama’s union thugs. His stimulus bill and other actions track more with campaign contributions than with any actual economic theory.

    Finally, this cowboy diplomacy is an invention of people who are too busy reacting to their own prejudices to actually understand what it is they are talking about. Get over it, W isn’t the boogey man.

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  39. on July 8, 2009 at 1:18 pm TurkishThought

    @ Obsidian
    With all due respect Roissy, I do not think you nor the bulk and mass of the White Male members here can be at all objective when it comes to anything Barack Obama related. It is clear that you and most of said White Males here at the very least greatly disagree w/him, if not revile and despise him. And it is this that in my judgment colors your post above.

    Once you wupe your face off and Obama gets his balls off your tongue, just maybe, just maybe you can stop calling people racist or Nazi or whatever else is in vogue and make a point using logic.

    You make too many arguments based on feelings and hatred to be a man. I’m starting to think you’re another womyn masquerading as a man.

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  40. ABax,
    I think its fair to say that African Americans are quite familiar w/Obama’s background and embrace them as their own. Moreover, he identifies himself as Black, and clearly if his reception in Russia is any indication, they too view him as Black. So I think that part of your comments are a non-sequitur.

    As to my earlier comments, I stand by them; to read the comments of so many White Males here and in other venues, there is clearly more than mere policy disagreements at work; a kind of visceral animus that I submit, is indeed rooted in racial politics. Not all of it, I would presume that. But at least *some* of it.

    O

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  41. on July 8, 2009 at 1:29 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    Grzlickson FAIL

    She was leaving as soon as I made it to the counter and I had to make the appt with the other girl. I ran into her outside but she was on her cell, don’t know a technique to get her off it. Try again Friday.

    G-Manifesto, it wasn’t custom, but I was wearing linen pants and shirt with loafers, no big name brands though.

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  42. @Askjoe: no, I am expressing my point of view, which happens to disagree with yours. I prefer to deal with facts — which is why I mentioned some of them in my post — and I suggest you do the same.

    @Seeking_Alpha: Sure. Instead of speaking myself, why don’t I link you to the first things I find. I googled for “obama’s accomplishments as president”. Second link is ironically from FOX news, so it’s gotta be true:

    “Obama’s First 100 Days Most Productive Since FDR”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/21/adviser-says-obamas-days-productive-fdr/

    First link:

    http://www.knowtheblog.org/blog/archives/59

    his accomplishments up until May.

    It’s not that I like Obama, I like reality. And therefore I like Obama too.

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  43. @ Obsidian,

    You might remember in the Bush/Putin Spot The Alpha, Putin won that too.

    I think what you can take away is that these 2 are world leaders. No matter how different the 2 countries they represent are, they are in their own class, and every last one of them wants to appear the most important and powerful. Especially Russians, and maybe less on Obama’s part.

    I think Obama and Medvedev represent 2 different alphas: Obama is alpha because lots of women want to fuck him, and not necessarily because of his own confidence and ability to portray and act supremely confident. Medvedev on the other hand looks like he knows how to appear alpha. I’m sure the requisite # of women want to fuck him because of his powerful position, but many more women want Obama regardless of his position in politics. In other words:

    Medvedev: the alpha of men and world leaders

    Obama: the alpha who gets the ladies.

    Which one is more important? In Roissy’s world of women, it’s women, but when it’s regarding his country and it’s future, it would be the alpha among men and world leaders.

    My question to Roissy, looking at this pic, which alpha is most important?

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  44. Whatever, O, I really didn’t have an animus towards the One until he turned off the AVS for his campaign contributions…or was it when I found out that Bill Ayers wrote his books…or that he sat through Rev. Wright’s sermons for decades. He was just another dude until then.

    I think that the adoption of the One into the black community is an interesting occurrence, as he was originally thought of as too…ah…uh…academic, up-towny?

    I think the obverse of your coin should lead you to consider the Howard Stern bit last year where black voters were given McCain’s talking points and told they were Obama’s. They were all like, yeah I agree with that point and that’s why I am voting for Obama.

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  45. I just want to note the height differentiation between Obama and Medvedev. Maybe Medvedev is compensating assertion and “alpha”-ness, for what he lacks in terms of physical stature. (That was half in jest.)

    Novaseeker is right about Russia not being a “messed up third world country”. Most political analysts from Putin onward are astounded at the success of the mixed regime (“authoritarian democracy”), especially when compared to other Eastern Bloc countries. Granted, I’m not sure what will happen when Putin’s regime passes, because whatever political stability is in Russia is owed to his popularity as a national figure.

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  46. Turk,
    In my first post in this thread, I laidout in extensive detail, why I disagreed w/Roissy, only a small part of which you quoted above. You then emplyed the use of a feeble Ad Hom and demands that I use a logical argument lest I be considered a “wommin” in disguise. Please. Take it up w/Erdogan.

    If you disagree, for real, w/what I’ve said, then actually go point for point over what I said, in its entirety, and point out to me and the rest of the forum specifically WHY you disagree. W/facts not hyperbole, rhetoric, or weakassed schoolyard taunts. Anyone can cut & paste, Turk. If I’m that off base, breakdown my post and explain why.

    If you can.

    O

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  47. Nova – “They have a fantastic educational system and have, still, some of the world’s leading physicists.”

    Good physicists are born and self-made (lots of problem sets!) not made by the education system. There are many good physicists from broke-ass third world countries. My office mate when I was in graduate school grew up in a Chinese village that didn’t have any cars and everyone grew their own food. He was amazingly good theoretical physicist and helped me many times on my field theory homework. (Weirdly he converted hard to Christianity while was here and went back to the PRC to become a preacher. )

    In any case, physicists are useless unless you have a first world economic system to support them.

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  48. Obsidian:

    1) BO identifies himself as black because it serves his interests to do so. The mollycoddling he’s used to receiving wouldn’t work unless he self-identified as black. If he had the courage of Tiger Woods, and truly eschewed race-based identity, he wouldn’t have as much resonance with the identity-politics driven Left.

    2) Don’t forget the black america was very, very wary of Obama until Bill Clinton’s foolishness in the SC primary. In a rare political miscalculation, Clinton explicitly lumped Obama in with Jesse Jackson. That stirred up the black community, and Obama was seen as being “victimized”. Before then, many if not most blacks saw Barack as not “one of” them.

    3) His reception is Russia is not a result of his being black, but rather a result of his foolish policies and weak nature. As Roissy has written in another context “tautology, unwind thyself”. The Russian could give a shit about his ancestry, they would’ve reacted to a President Kerry the same way. (And Kerry would’ve had worse body language.

    4) The “visceral animus” you correctly detect is a reaction to his uber-Leftist, lily-livered, chicago-hack nature, not his genetic code. That you insist upon interpreting it through a racial lens tells us more about your race-obsession than it does anything about BO or his supporters & critics.

    Peace.

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  49. Relax. Russia is in decline much faster than the US is. On all measures, Russia is one of the fastest declining countries in the world.

    “Third World Immigration” is an uninformed term. The only thing that can save America from its demographic time bomb, frankly, is increased immigration of EDUCATED immigrants (who will predominantly be from India, China, and other Asian countries).

    People assume that all ‘third world immigrants’ are uneducated. False. Some have much higher education than the average white.

    We have to increase educated immigration, and decrease uneducated immigration.

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  50. Hey dudes – didn’t you hear?

    It’s take a break away from race day!! (say that outloud)

    😉

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  51. “The economy got f***ed up under Bush, not Obama.”

    False. The stock market tanked as soon as Obama pulled ahead in the polls in October 2008.

    Obama destroyed the US economy.

    That is why Obama’s approval rating is now dipping below 50%, as per Rasmussen. That didn’t take long, did it?

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  52. Also, let’s not forget the Obama “evil eye”: http://www.drudgereport.com/flashoe.htm

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  53. Tood:

    The stock market tanked because of the unscrupulous lending that was going on for years before, by bankers (hence, the “housing bubble”). Economists were predicting a recession from 2006, if not earlier. The most stable banks were ones that were cautious with their lending, and had higher reserves.

    Obama hasn’t had time to destroy the US economy.

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  54. Obsidian –

    With all due respect Roissy, I do not think you nor the bulk and mass of the White Male members here can be at all objective when it comes to anything Barack Obama related.

    With all due respect Obsidian to your smooth ways, you are the last person to be able to talk about objectivity with respect to things black versus white.

    You let your core belief and deep pride in black male sexual supremacy and general alpha supremacy out loud and proud in the wee hours last night, in happy agreement with uber troll, over 150 comments in one thread according to Pupu’s count, self styled “White Girl”. Who’s main effort on the site has been to bait white men in every way she could think about, but particularly along Obsidian’s favorite line.

    it is generally accepted that Brothas tend to both have more natural Game and to be better in the bedroom than the average White guy. This is per the anecdotal reports of White, Black, Hispanic, heck even Asian Women when they were able to get a taste w/o none of their peeps finding out. I’m just sayin.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/role-reversal/#comment-101738

    And

    Again, its anecdotal, but most Women who taste tasted tend to agree, that on average Brothas tend to do a better job in the bedroom than White guys. I’m just sayin.

    Nothing based on any studies or statistics or or surveys or anything other than ‘it’s said by those “able” to get a taste’. In other words all based on stereotypes, prejudices and fears, what black men have always wanted to be out there as rumor, and the like.

    The fact is that as of the mid 2000s, less than one percent of white women are married to black men. Black man white woman interracial dating has gone on for a long time, and a fair bit in fact beginning in the 1970s, but it has not been going through the roof of late, as your story of how things are would make it seem it should.

    It’s a bit rich when an out, loud and proud black sexual supremacist (based essentially on hearing what you like to hear and telling what you like to tell, alone) like yourself dismisses Roissy as non objective on race matters.

    As for Roissy’s points on Obama’s body language above — yes Russia is much weaker now relatively speaking on the world stage than it was in Kruschev’s day, and yes Russia is in many ways a basket case today as Roissy said above. That makes Obama’s failure to project strength but instead earnestly strive beta boy like to be liked and make no waves at all in his body language, that much more embarrassing.

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  55. “The economy got f***ed up under Bush, not Obama.”

    Look, Bush inherited Clinton’s tech bubble recession. Deal with it, recessions are cyclical. Bad government decisions make them longer or turn them into depressions. Getting out the way, cutting taxes, etc. make them shorter.

    Obama is taking a recession (caused by an immense loss of capital as MBS lost value and the panic caused by compliance with mark-to-market rules) (that Bush and McCain tried to at least tighten up control of Freddie Mac is lost on most people) and throwing more and more money out the window, setting up inflationary monetization of debt, threatening high taxes, and considering stifling regulations.

    That’s a bad mix…as in FDR Great Depression bad. Bush, on the other hand, took the Clinton recession and made a 58 month growth spurt out of it.

    Try this…don’t personalize everything about Boooosh! Try to understand stuff, not play name games. It’s bad enough talking to chicks in DC who can’t even absorb these types of economic discussions. Well, it’s worse than that as you realize that these chicks are now drivers in the economic policy driver’s seat.

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  56. on July 8, 2009 at 1:56 pm Jake Bronson

    Is Obsidian a sociology professor as well? There are no more blind or willfully ignorant people than the liberals in this country. To them, there is no arguing the party line, and you all toe it so well.

    It’s really depressing to see such closed minds among ostensibly educated people.

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  57. everything about this post and subsequent comment is incredibly stupid. one fucking photo interpreted by a PUA is the basis for the arguement that Obama and America are Russia’s bitches. wow. brains, not brawn are the basis for power in today world. the body language captured in that singular moment in time is irrelevant. Because Obama hasnt bombed Iran or Korea yet he is weak? shortsighted. Many of you are watching too much Braveheart, Gladiator and Mongol.

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  58. doug1

    But I do think he’s used to being molly coddled. He’s not used to people playing hardball with him, esp. not whites.

    Yup.

    That’s really why he’s president. American whites can’t stand up to him.

    As this recession drags on and the US decline on the international stage becomes obvious, we’ll probably end up embarrassed by the guy.

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  59. John, don’t forget the little chair

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/07/look-how-silly-russians-made-obama-look.html

    Stupid PUA? hardly.

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  60. Tood – “The only thing that can save America from its demographic time bomb, frankly, is increased immigration of EDUCATED immigrants (who will predominantly be from India, China, and other Asian countries).”

    The problem is that these educated foreigners only come to the US to do a specialized set of jobs in technical fields (hard sciences, engineering, computer stuff). These fields are already at least 50% foreign (at least in my experience) and really expanding the number of people to do those specialized jobs would only increase the number of lower tier scientists who bounce around on badly-paid H1B jobs until they give up and go back home.

    In my opinion, the US is already absorbing all the smart scientists/engineers that are willing to come here, so expanding this number won’t help the economy as a whole.

    Health care is something that could use more workers, but the residency requirements, the cost of medical school and the strength of the professional societies make that a very different game.

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  61. Welmer–

    That’s really why he’s president. American whites can’t stand up to him.

    They can’t stand up to him due to the quickness with which any who start will be and are branded as racists by any and all of his true believers.

    Based solely on the leftist (cultural Marxist) originated, but now mainstream media and educational and other institutions indoctrinated, ideology of political correctness.

    Or at the very least “unable to be objective”, especially if they’re white men. See Obsidian’s first post above, and my critique of it.

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  62. A-Bax,
    I am no more “obsessed with race” than any other American on this blog, the only difference is my face is a different color and I take seriously the byline that this is the place where pretty lies perish. To be an American is to be obsessed with race, period, dot. We all know this, heck there’s even a nascent Pro White movement afoot which makes as its central point that America is first and foremost a WHITE nation. So again if I’m race obsessed, I’m in very good company.

    Second, yea, Obama politically traded on his racial identity, which is surely nothing new. Politicians do it all the time, and not just Black or Hispanicc ones-so do Irish, Italian, Greek, etc. And if it aint along racial lines, or ethnic lines, or gender lines, it’ll be along regional lines, or class lines. Obama is Black in the same way that New Haven born and largely bred GWB is Texan-we all knew the deal and yet went along w/it because he was our guy. So, yup, being Black in the political game where Black folk can make or break you, is important. Just the way American Politics works.

    And please do not attempt to make Tiger out to be the second coming of Muhammad Ali, trust me, he aint built like that at all. If he was in the NBA or the NFL, pro sports w/overwhelmgly large numbers of both Black players and fans, I seriously doubt he’d run that “Cablasian” crap up the flagpole. But he’s in the still lilly White PGA, so he can get away with that. Which I have no problem with, and neither does the vast majority of Black folk. But again, we all know the deal.

    And again, I repeat: Nikita’s own daughter, who knows Russia in ways you may never fathom, said on worldwide news last night, that w/o a doubt part of the cool reception Obama got was based on his race. Russia has a documented racialist/racist history, anyone can look it up for themselves. So you’ll please pardon me if I take her word over yours in these matters.

    And finally, I maintain what I said about the visceral animus that is rooted at least somewhat in race, ABax. Personally, I do think part of the problem is that a lot of White guys don’t like the fact that Obama’s so damn smooth w/it and uses the system like a motherfucker, and that pisses White guys off to no end. Far and away smoother than Bill Clinton, no slouch himself in the smooth operator dept, but Obama’s much smoother for the obvious reasons.

    And yup, you’re right about the how Bill Clinton gave himself a Brooklyn Handshake in SC; prior to that, Black folks nationwide was indeed wary of Obama; afterward, things changed like a MFer.

    Which is often, what politics is.

    O

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  63. on July 8, 2009 at 2:08 pm Megatron Jones

    @askjoe,

    That looks like it’s the same chair. Are Russian folks shorter on average? Maybe that’s why Putin doesn’t seem out of place in the chair… or maybe it’s because it’s a picture of a guy pulling his socks up.

    The photo in the above post does make it look as though Obama’s been son’d.

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  64. *Personally, I do think part of the problem is that a lot of White guys don’t like the fact that Obama’s so damn smooth w/it and uses the system like a motherfucker, and that pisses White guys off to no end.*

    Der? What? The reader of the teleprompter of the United States of America never sounds that smooth to me. Then again, I grew up in the 59th state speaking Austrian.

    O, come on. Give us some credit.

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  65. Obsidian–

    that w/o a doubt part of the cool reception Obama got was based on his race. Russia has a documented racialist/racist history, anyone can look it up for themselves.

    You’re an avowed racialist yourself Obsidian. You’ve said so on this blog a number of times.

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  66. Obsidian,

    I don’t know why you keep coming back to a very blantantly racist environment, i.e. this blog. You must be a sadist or something.

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  67. On all measures, Russia is one of the fastest declining countries in the world

    but it is the only white country where correct measures are enacted to revert the trend.

    they kill some SWPL morons who speak english better than Russian and befriend drug-dealers and arm-dealers like that politkovskaya and that litvinenko, but from a civilizational point of view, that is more than compensated by their effort to stop the spread of gay culture and to IMPOSE Christian teaching at schools.

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  68. American whites can’t stand up to him.

    Joe Wurzelbacher did. Remember the debate in which he asked him a question and a follow-up?

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  69. on July 8, 2009 at 2:18 pm usual suspect

    > Russia has a documented racialist/racist history, anyone
    > can look it up for themselves. So you’ll please pardon me if > I take her word over yours in these matters.

    Russia doesn’t have any racist history towards black people at all. There were never black slavery, laws discriminating black people, official ideologies discriminating black people etc

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  70. Doug,
    Fact: I VOTED FOR MCCAIN.

    In other words:

    I DIDN’T VOTE FOR OBAMA.

    I think that’s fair to say just how objective I am.

    Second: I clearly said in the comments you quoted of mine that it was anecdotal and not scientific. Nevertheless, White Girl corroborated what I said, and I dare say if we ask the rest of the ladies about it who either know from direct experience or that of their close ladyfriends, we’ll hear similar reports.

    I’ve never claimed “supremacy” of any kind, but even if I did, would that be as bad as guys like say, OneSTDV, basically saying that Whites are cognitively superior to Blacks? Hm?

    Also, I never said anything about IR marital rates, nor did I say anything about IR dating rates, both non-sequiturs brought up by you, sir. If HBD has any basis, it then has to be applicable in all directions. You guys have the braincells. We Brothas got the Wood

    And natural Game.

    Natural can be a Bitch…but she’s fair.

    O

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  71. Obsidian–

    Nevertheless, White Girl corroborated what I said

    That’s a joke right Obsidian?

    That’s your idea of supporting evidence?

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  72. 1. Anyone trying to blame the recession, caused totally by private business meltdown, on Bush is a clear moron.

    2. Anyone who thinks NotMyPresident hasn’t had time to ruin the country clearly isn’y paying attention.

    3. O, you remind me of a quote from the TV show House. There was an episode where a mixed race married couple (one black, one white) ran away from their hometown (where they grew up together) because the boy’s father tried to block their romance. Both ended up in House’s hospital.

    The blocktor, Foreman, stated that the father was a racist for wanting them to not be together. Pretty much everyone went along with that, except my man House.

    Later on in the show, it was determined that the two were actually brother and sister; it turns out the boy’s father was also the girl’s, and was trying to keep them apart because of that, not racism.

    House stated (paraphrasing here), after needling Foreman about being wrong: “You’re black. You see everything as being caused by racism. About 1% of the time, you’re right. The other 99% of the time, you aren’t. But all you have is a hammer, so everything looks like a nail. You just don’t notice there aren’t a lot of nails in the world.”

    O, you’re rapidly turning into Foreman, especially in defending NotMyPresident here. Don’t make us be House to you.

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  73. Russia has a documented racialist/racist history, anyone can look it up for themselves

    it must be the vodka. because nowhere else on Earth this scourge knows as racism has ever appeared before.

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  74. Oh, and Doug,
    I’ve never hidden the fact that I’m a Race Man, but that’s a far cry from engaging in beating people up or killing them or even condoning said actions because of the color of their skin. Russia’s had this kind of problem for some time now.

    So you were saying?

    O

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  75. on July 8, 2009 at 2:28 pm usual suspect

    > Obsidian wrote:
    >
    > I’ve never hidden the fact that I’m a Race Man, but that’s a > far cry from engaging in beating people up or killing them or > even condoning said actions because of the color of their
    > skin. Russia’s had this kind of problem for some time now.

    Did you pull it out of your ass? When did Russia kill people based on skin color?

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  76. I don’t see how “third world immigrants” are responsible for America’s downfall.

    As I understand it, the most recent financial crisis was largely caused by the baby boomer generation who are mostly of European stock.

    Don’t see how the recent crop of immigrants have anything to do with this or other causes of America’s loss of superpower status.

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  77. on July 8, 2009 at 2:29 pm SmartyJones

    Head is spinning from the spinning going on here. First back to the topic at hand. The picture is classic because of what it accurately reflects: Russian disdain for Obama. There’s no getting around it. It’s right there in living color.

    What transpired leading in to this? Well Putin commented that Obama should not go down the road of socialism as Russia paid and is still paying for that mistake. That’s right a Russian former Soviet head of the KGB warned Obama about socialism.

    Is it any wonder they look down on the guy?

    The “preliminary agreement” Obama has signed off on in the hopes he will elevate his stature has proved the opposite. The Russians are awaiting Obama’s capitualtion on missile defense. They expect nothing less. They know Obama’s weakness on defense and his pro Soviet stance on nuclear weapons going back to his college days. The irony is that it was the Soviets who spread the nuclear freeze propaganda in Western Europe and the US back then.

    So why would the Russians respect this guy? They clearly don’t. The “preliminary agreement” on nuclear reductions won’t happen. The Russians will of course push along Obama’s plan to reduce the US delivery systems. They like that quite a bit.

    Some folks here think Russia is a fading power. They are fading in some Western models, but in terms of using power, the Bear is flexing, it is not retreating.

    Does anyone think that if Russia attacks Georgia or Ukraine now under the guise of protecting its Russian minorities that Obama will do anything? Does anyone recall the wishy washy statement by Obama during the Russian action against Georgia last year?

    Russia plays chess. Obama and his schoolboy knowledge and love of all things marxist (and black liberation theology) is being taken to school. And every bad actor on the international stage is enjoying the party.

    The party has just begun.

    @ Obsidian

    You think that people here are reflecting some bias against Obama. I doubt it. More likely they don’t like the idea of a left winger lying his way into the highest political office in the US and destroying the country from within (the Alinsky way as they say).

    I differ with your characterization of the white guys here. This nation is being riddled with huge debt that is unimaginable.

    @ all

    The stock market tanked in line with some international financial moves that almost took the financial system down in the US. Who was responsible for those actions? We haven’t been told. But Soros and his operators have been known to pull these kind of strings before. And in doing so, Obama by doing nothing more than being “present” took the lead once and for all leading into the election.

    Nancy Pelosi and Harry have been leading Congress since 2007. And the alerts on the mortgage scam was made several times. But you couldn’t stop the train. Or the likes of Maxine Waters, Barney Frank and co. would call you a racist.

    How may folks do you know who got a job because of “the stim?” What a joke that garbage was, on all of us.

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  78. Lurker,
    I neither need nor want your “Houselike” advice. I disagree w/Obama’s policies, but I do so not because of racial reasons, nor do you hear me going at him like a rabid dog on a bone, like so many White guys here seem to. Hence no recourse to stuff like “NotMyPresident” and so on. Don’t need it. Just cooly and calmly laying out my policy-based reasons for my disagreeing w/Obama. Simple as that.

    I stand by what I said, and you have not disproved what I’ve said in my initial post.

    O

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  79. in beating people up or killing them or even condoning said actions because of the color of their skin. Russia’s had this kind of problem for some time now.

    Russians beat up foreigners. Every once in a while Poles kill or beat up an Arab tourist who gets too grabby with girls or too mouthy with the guys at a disco.

    But Swedes and Dutch are taught “tolerance” and they are the ones who get beaten up IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES and their won women get raped because of the color of their skin.

    Obsidian, pick one: you want white guys who man up and don’t put up with shit, or you want SWPL “tolerant” white guys. When diversity gets beyond a certain number, there is no middle ground.

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  80. guys, when a man says to anotheer one “I fuck more girls and girls that are prettier than the ones you fuck” or even worse, he asks ” how many girls have you fucked in the last 6 months?” he destroys the other guy.

    I used the first version once, after seeing it used before. The other guy looks like he just heard that both his parents have died in a car crash.

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  81. Russians beat up foreigners. Every once in a while Poles kill or beat up an Arab tourist who gets too grabby with girls or too mouthy with the guys at a disco.

    I couldn´t agree more with the whole comment.

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  82. But wait, Hillary gave the Russians a (mistranslated) “reset” button. Smart and Strong, Fuckers.

    I can think of one group of people that the Russians killed a lot of (aside from their own, natch). Go to Baltimore and visit the Katyn Massacre Memorial. The Polish people have had it rough, being caught between the habitually warlike and genocidal Germans and Russians.

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  83. […] II: Medvedev shows a cringing, needful, almost-supine Obama, who is the biggest and baddest guy in the room . […]

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  84. BO is less black than Michael Jackson. He’s a preppie from paradise. His childhood experience in mixed-race Hawaii and young adult experience in hothouse liberal academic culture has nothing to do with the typical black American experience, and it is only anti-Bush fervor and while guilt that had propelled this naïve, bookish, leftist’s leftist to the corridors of power.

    Well said!

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  85. Wow, the ChicagoBoyz linked Roissy. I am impressed. Who knew Posner was a PUA?

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  86. on July 8, 2009 at 2:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’How may folks do you know who got a job because of “the stim?” What a joke that garbage was, on all of us.”””””””””””””””

    The stimulas was the iraq war we forgot to make them pay with oil or did we.

    The new stim should have utopia in it for a trillion dollars or at the very least world domination.

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  87. PA & Usual Suspect,
    If you want more info on Russia’s racism problem (couched in “foreignor” terms), go take it up w/Nikita’s daughter, shell hook you right up.

    Doug,
    Are you saying that White Girl’s testimony is illegitimate? If so, then let’s open it up to the rest of the ladies in the forum, then. I’m content to roll w/what they say. You?

    SmartyJones,
    Its interesting to see so many White guys care about “lying to get in office” when Obama does it but don’t really seem to care all that much when the other guys do it. All the time, I might add.

    I’m still waitng for anyone here to actually refute, w/facts, my initial post made in this thread, in its entirety.

    *whistling*

    O

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  88. Russia did have a contempt for peasant class v. upper class for a long time. Since there was rare intermarriage, the serfs might be thought to have evolved into a separate race.

    O: We go after NotMyPresident with the same fervor Bush was attacked by the left, except we have valid reasons:

    mounting debt, pet project fuinding disguised as “stimulus, failed social policies rammed down our throats, apologetic attitude to truly evil people, lies, friends with terrorists, disdain for common folk, incredible weakness internationally, and the all-encompassing media wet kiss.

    Quite frankly, Nobama is getting a pass *because * is black on a lot. Were he a herb white guy (as opposed to herb black guy) his approval ratings would be in the gutter, and we’d be celebrating Pres. McCain “talking tough” to the Russians and deploying troops to the Iran/Iraq border.

    But that’s a pipe dream now.

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  89. O, you should be thrilled with the Foreman comparison. His character is currently banging a bi-sexual white girl doctor who’s a ringer for Megan Fox and made out with a stripper at a bachelor party.

    Plus its not so secret that House is grooming him for his place, pointing out they have the exact same temperment.

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  90. on July 8, 2009 at 2:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    Anyone that can come up with a reason why the west should not be exterminated every man woman and child. Please do so now.

    Calmly waiting with extreme respect.

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  91. i am writing this without reading the other comments, but you’ve nailed a lot in this post. that handshake is terrible. and after seeing the article about how obama uses the hand on the shoulder, it’s interesting to see how easily medvedev counters it.

    it’s also really interesting to see how the much shorter medvedev is working everything to his advantage, even though we tend to associate height with alpha status. he refuses to acknowledge obama’s height and keeps things at his own level. even the mics are set up so medvedev can stand straight up, while obama has to crouch forward. when obama speaks in america it’s the opposite; he has a higher podium that makes everyone else look slight.

    it’s a shame, because with a completely supplicated media we can’t really expect obama to compete.

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  92. on July 8, 2009 at 2:43 pm usual suspect

    Obsidian wrote:
    > PA & Usual Suspect,
    > If you want more info on Russia’s racism problem (couched > in “foreignor” terms), go take it up w/Nikita’s daughter,
    > shell hook you right up.

    I lived in Russia for 20+ years and I travel there from time to time, so I don’t need any Nikita’s daughters to call bullshit on what you wrote here. You pull things out of your ass

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  93. Can we get a count for how many times O derails a comment thread to a racial matter?

    I’m jus’ sayin.

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  94. Lurker,
    But I’m not interested in basically aping Bush Derangement Syndrome. My disagreements w/Obama are rooted in firm policy disagreements, and nothing else. For example, I fundamentally disagree w/his stance on abortion. Period. No need to get to gnashing teeth and foaming at the mouth. I disagree w/the Man, the end.

    So, you’re more than welcome to go buckwild in your opposition to the Man, but if the GOP is smart they’d take that fervor and instead put it into revitalizing the Party along meaningful policy lines, instead of thinly vieled racial boilerplate.

    O

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  95. Mr. M, c’mon, that’s his thing, sadly, more and more.

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  96. His facial expression registers with me first and then it’s the position of his body. Obama is turned towards him, but he remains fixed, body to the front, not a submissive gesture in sight, even his arm is stiff, his grip you can see is firm. His expression is priceless – he looks like he’s thinking bad thoughts, his lips are close together almost like he needs to stop them from uttering what he really wants to say. Great pic.

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  97. with all due respect obsidian,

    fuck you and that bitch boy you call president.

    He’s gettting ass raped by every tin pot dictator, and medvedev and putin are going to make percentages off it.

    russia is more of a free market economy then we are now!

    you race card playah.. yizzes

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  98. “thinly vieled racial boilerplate. ”

    yeesh.

    I think the GOP needs to end their “thinly veiled racial” groveling.

    I guess O has a problem with Lurker cause I have no idea why this conversation is going in circles.

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  99. Now, I’m not that old, but has it been this way with all presidents? People either loving them or hating them regardless of what they do? Some people really hated Bush and some people really hate Obama. I remember that some people really hated Clinton, but I didn’t pay attention to politics before his second term. Is this just par for the course?

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  100. “russia is more of a free market economy then we are now!” My European friends sort of make that joke now, “we have a flat tax in my country and you say America is free!”

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  101. Well, w/all due respect US, we’ll just agree to disagree.

    It aint that deep.

    As for Mr. M,
    I wonder how many total posts/threads there are in this forum, prior to Fall 2008, that pertain in one way or another, to racial themes? I’d be willing to compare and contrast the count btw mine and the forum’s prior to my arrival. Maybe Pupu will be up to the task of tallying up the scores.

    As for the current thread its about Obama, and again Nikita’s daughter has said that his being Black does play into things there in Russia. Moreover my own analysis of the situation among White Male posters here apply as well.

    O

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  102. Russia is more xenophobic than racist. There is a distrust of foreigners in general, regardless of race.

    And, yes, Obama is getting schooled by people who are much, much more cynical and shrewd than he is in terms of FP. He is so not up to Putin/Medvedev’s “FP game”, it’s not even funny.

    Russia has been busy invading Georgia, pushing around the rest of the CIS, opposing the West on Iranian nukes and so on, and so here comes Obama offering … a missile reduction treaty?

    I can guarantee you that the Russian government, and Russians in general, see that as a clear sign of weakness.

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  103. Well, w/all due respect US, we’ll just agree to disagree.

    That’s one way to handle it.

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  104. I’ve only been here 3 days and was shocked by the number of racially charged, RUDE, comments I read, even using the N word. (not confined to qouting rap lyrics either)

    I thought you guys would be united on the Game Front, if nothing else, but doesn’t seem so.

    Are men forever destined to be being boys in the elementary school playground? Is that your fate? How in the world then will you ever become ALPHA?

    Fact is: Obama is a well-endowed Alpha Male with the biggest GAME right now on the planet. Doesn’t hurt that he’s good lookin’ either and I’m sure First Lady has no complaints in the “olva office”, if you know what I mean.

    Probably the entire population of American women are attracted to this guy – whether they are Dems, Pubs, Libertarians, Greens, Reds, Independents, or Co-dependent.

    Obama’s got it goin’ on.

    I think that’s what irks y’all more than anything.

    And no, I did not vote for him.

    There, there’s some “race REALism” for ya….

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  105. on July 8, 2009 at 3:02 pm SmartyJones

    @ Obsidian

    Can only speak for myself brother and my sense of others who do likewise. There’s a knowledgeable group on this site unlike most any other from what I’ve seen.

    Folks here easily have a far greater knowledge of history, Europe, politics, etc. then say the Politico as an example. The quick recounting of the historical and aggressive Russian bear as one.

    Now I too voted for McCain as the lesser of two evils but the old guy had a record and one you could argue about on various issues over time. Plenty to go over his inconsistencies over decades.

    But Obama ran as a “moderate” who would unite people and govern for all Americans “above” politics.
    With Bush, I knew where he stood and could agree or disagree on an individual issue or stance. He didn’t disguise himself.

    All the media trumpeted Obama as some great uniter. His record reflected he had more in common with Al Sharpton than John McCain. We were told to ignore his record (as minimal as it was – not even two years as a junior Senator before he ran for the WH).

    Didn’t buy any of it. The NY Times has finally come out with an article showing Obama’s pro-Soviet position on nuclear arms at Columbia.

    The more we know about Obama, the more obvious is that the Goebels like propaganda about him during the election was not even remotely who he claimed to be and the media supported the fiction the whole way.

    The guy’s life is mostly locked away in a vault. No one can get to his college records, most of his State Senate records or even his passport to Pakistan. (The US did not issue passports for its citizens when he went.) He’s now spent seven figures to keep his birth certificate out of public view. Why? No idea, maybe something about the real dad who knows. But what I thought was a joke is no joking matter now.

    What we do know about Obama is that he sat in a black liberation theology marxist “church” for twenty years, his mom was a fellow traveler and he hung out with a radical marxist pedophile he who mentions in his book. And his voting record in two years as junior Senator was to the left of Vermont’s socialist Senator Bernie Sanders.

    Apparently the Russians knew all about him too. And they are taking us for a ride.

    When I listen to anything Obama says now, I can pick apart the lies easily. But now he’s even lying about what he said about the economy earlier this year. He’s contradicting himself. Not sure how long that game can go.

    As for disputing your post in its entirety, consider my being on the thread as exhibit 1. Others will have to speak for themselves.

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  106. “I’ve only been here 3 days and was shocked by the number of racially charged, RUDE, comments I read, even using the N word. (not confined to qouting rap lyrics either)”

    You’ve needled white men here in literally hundreds of ways, obviously taking great glee in doing so (you clearly hate white men), and yet you call *others* out on making racial comments?

    Deletion recommended, Roissy.

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  107. Fact is: Obama is a well-endowed Alpha Male with the biggest GAME right now on the planet. Doesn’t hurt that he’s good lookin’ either and I’m sure First Lady has no complaints in the “olva office”, if you know what I mean.

    i don’t know that i would consider obama an alpha male. he is an extraordinarily lucky politician who has managed to be in the right place at the right time, and he gives a good speech. to me, obama is the epitome of the high-achieving beta.

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  108. on July 8, 2009 at 3:05 pm SmartyJones

    @ all – Please don’t reject a woman’s right to vote for the shallow posting of White Girl. How lame.

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  109. S,

    You are wrong.

    “Obama hasn’t had time to destroy the US economy.”

    You are wrong. It doesn’t take that much time – the stock market react quickly to an anti-business administration coming in.

    Bush saved the US economy from Clinton’s mess. Obama is the most anti-business administration this country has ever had.

    Luckily, Obama’s approval rating is falling like a stone, so he will be neutralized soon.

    Are you an Indian woman? If so, you are not qualified to discuss politics or economics.

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  110. How’s this for an alpha Prime Minister:

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  111. “and I’m sure First Lady has no complaints in the “olva office”, if you know what I mean.”

    I hear that Obama’s Dow Low Love has no complaints either, if you know what I mean. And I think you do. NTTAWWT. Which leads to the next question, can one be an alpha and still be a bisexual “catcher?”

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  112. Kevin K,

    You are very wrong. US educated immigrants are in all fields : Doctors, MBAs, Professors, etc. Not just IT people.

    The US is certainly NOT absorbing all such people who are willing to come here. That is a shockingly ignorant opinion, and shows that you don’t actually know any educated immigrants.

    The immigration process is a 7-12 year process that is tortuous and maddening. That is why so many educated immigrants are opting to go to Australia or Canada rather than the US. These 2 countries have figured out that there are easy pickings in getting smart people that the US system is screwing over.

    Don’t just pull theories out of your ass.

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  113. Obama’s approval rating :

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

    Once a President’s approval rating falls below a certain level, it is all but impossible for him to push his agenda through.

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  114. on July 8, 2009 at 3:13 pm SmartyJones

    @ tunacanman

    It’s not that Obama is getting ass raped by every tin bit third world dictator, it’s that he’s down with every third world leftist dictator re: Honduras.

    Did you ever think you’d live to see the day that a country would toss a would be dictator out on his ass and the US would try to have his left wing ass reinstalled?

    Honduras has its Supreme Court, its Congress, its military acting on order of said court and the President’s own party all agree to take the would be thug down and Obama is for the wanna be thug.

    So Obama has reversed the Monroe Doctrine and his own “doctrine” of not interfering in another country’s sovereignty because if a leader tries to destroy its nation’s constitution and is tossed out on his ass by the institutions of that country, it must be reversed.

    What does he have in mind here? After all, our Constitution is merely “negative rights” as he graciously puts it.

    And we must “remake” America into Amerika as Obama says.

    Saul Alinsky is smiling from hell to his disciple but I never will.

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  115. Tood:

    You are defending a huge overstatement. It’s one thing to say that the stock market adversely reacted to Obama, and that the economic collapse was entirely owed to Obama. How do you explain economists predicting a recession from 2006? It’s because it was pretty clear at that point that banks were overlending and we were heading into a credit crisis. How do you entirely overlook that?

    I am a European Spanish-Indian mix.

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  116. Tood, Janet Napoletano has decreed that numbers are racist and that that poll is a likely danger to homeland security.

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  117. Funny, “beta” in hindi means “mama’s boy”…. CLASSIC!

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  118. on July 8, 2009 at 3:16 pm SmartyJones

    Oh so now “White Girl” knows all about black churches. Well I’ve been in black churches here in NYC ‘white girl’ and although they may spout rhetoric at times, they are first and foremost Churches and serve their communities on the footings first of being a church.

    Most black churches in NYC let alone the US do not mirror in any shape or form the radical anti-American garbage spewing out of the “Reverend” Wright’s mouth in Chicago.

    In fact, Wright has more in common with the Nation of Islam than he does with any black church or Christianity for that matter.

    Try again ‘white girl.’

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  119. Also, you can tell the credit crisis played a huge role by drawing a distinction between Canadian banks that suffered and Canadian banks that are weathering the recession well. Everyone knows Toronto banks have been the most stable as of late because they had higher reserves, and were more cautious lenders. This is outside of a U.S. context, mind you.

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  120. Dr. Grzlickson

    “Grzlickson FAIL”

    Don’t sweat it. Not a “fail”. Just move into round 2.

    “She was leaving as soon as I made it to the counter and I had to make the appt with the other girl.”

    Simply bad timing.

    “I ran into her outside but she was on her cell, don’t know a technique to get her off it.”

    The best move is to grab her cell and toss it in the trash.

    But that may be too extreme for most girls.

    “Try again Friday.”

    That’s the spirit.

    “G-Manifesto, it wasn’t custom, but I was wearing linen pants and shirt with loafers, no big name brands though.”

    Sounds like you got it.

    – MPM

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  121. Smarty Jones–

    But Obama ran as a “moderate” who would unite people and govern for all Americans “above” politics.
    With Bush, I knew where he stood and could agree or disagree on an individual issue or stance. He didn’t disguise himself.

    All the media trumpeted Obama as some great uniter. His record reflected he had more in common with Al Sharpton than John McCain. We were told to ignore his record (as minimal as it was – not even two years as a junior Senator before he ran for the WH).

    Didn’t buy any of it. The NY Times has finally come out with an article showing Obama’s pro-Soviet position on nuclear arms at Columbia.

    The more we know about Obama, the more obvious is that the Goebels like propaganda about him during the election was not even remotely who he claimed to be and the media supported the fiction the whole way

    Yes indeed.

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  122. “white girl”

    So YOU are the Indian woman? Yet, you call yourself ‘white girl’, exemplifying the very worst traits of the stereotype.

    S is not ‘Indian’ as per my definition of an Indian woman unqualified to discuss these subjects.

    But, clearly, you are. Now go run along to Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeon for skin lightening, as his calendar is clear.

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  123. Tood, I am not Indian. I was raised in India.

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  124. “I actually agree with Wright so it’s no biggie, Smarty Jones.”

    wow, the crazy is just piling up in this carwreck of a thread.

    Can you go back to whatever country it is that lives according to you and Wright’s version of the world?

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  125. SmartyJones,
    Actually, you and I are in full agreement. I took an unbelievable amount of flak from my own on Obama because of the very things you cited. But I had to ask myself a very hard, tough question: am I an American, or, am I something else-an Iraqi, a Rwandan, a Frenchman?

    You see in those countries, racial, ethic or clan considerations come before ALL else, right or wrong. What makes America truly special is that we are not based on blood but by ideas, among them being that an individual is more than merely his family tree.

    That frees me up to consider a candidate on the basis of their ideas, and not where their people come from. While I respect the right of my fellow African Americans to vote their conscience, and I am proud of Obama’s achievement, I could not in good faith vote for him, both because of his lack of political experience, and his stated policy positions. McCain for me, was the better choice.

    What so many of my White brothers here and elsewhere don’t seem to get, is that there are many Black folk like me who think of themselves as individuals as much as a part of a group, and who don’t automatically follow in lockstep behind some racial banner. We are grateful to be here, for all its problems, and greatly appreciate the ideals of American exceptionalism, individualism and freedom to be or not to be. Just when African Americans are beginning to mature to these understandings do a certain group of Whites in essence, want to turn the clock back in the name of science, like HBD for example, which obliterates the very idea of what it means to be an individual.

    And Smarty, what you said earlier on the other thread is right on point-the main rason why so many Black cities have been having problems for so long is because of the stranglehold that One Party Rule has had on them, in the case of Baltimore for nearly TWO CENTURIES. Here in Philly, more than a half century. And so on. When I discuss politics w/Black folk and they ask me why I’m a conservative, I turn the question around and ask them, honestly, what has the Dems done for them in their cities? Has crime gone down? Employment gone up? Education improved? Blight lessened? Business flourishing? I ask them, has the overall quality of their and their family’s lives, gotten better or worse? Even if they can’t bring themselves to pull the lever for the GOP, fine-but can they at least admit that what they been doing, aint workin?

    I think a major reason why the GOP aint doing as good a job as it could w/Black folk is because it, like the Dems, are too steeped in racial politics for its own good. At a time when, unless White folks make like Mormons and start having babies pronto, they WILL be a minority come mid century, if not sooner. The GOP needs to find ways to appeal to Black folks not as a group but as individuals, not based on spoils politics but on ideals and principles and yup, real, practical results where they live.

    O

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  126. on July 8, 2009 at 3:22 pm SmartyJones

    S. – economists are always predicting recessions. One can always summon an economists for whatever one wants. However, to summon ones that are correct is an entirely different matter.

    The marriage of our government to Goldman Sachs, their economists friends and such is an existing problem. The deregulation of banking-stock rules and the coziness with government would be a strong aspect of this along with the quasi government alliance in the mortgage industry and the pork feeding at Fannie & Freddie.

    The feeding continues. It just has taken on different forms.

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  127. Smarty

    Did you ever think you’d live to see the day that a country would toss a would be dictator out on his ass and the US would try to have his left wing ass reinstalled?

    Iran. Not left wing but still…

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  128. Smarty Jones,

    thanks for clarifying.

    “ass raped by every tin pot dictator,”
    I mean that he is their but buddy because they are lefty liberal commies or he is literally gettign laughed at to his face..

    he has no balls

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  129. yeah, leading economists have predicted 10 of the last one recessions.
    As for gross oversimplifications, we had 8 years of “Boosh new” “no blud for teh oil” and all sorts of predictions (in 2001, mind you) that Bush by his personality alone was going to lead us to the next great depression.
    Whitegirl, die in a fire.

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  130. “Tood, I am not Indian. I was raised in India.”

    Yeah? I doubt it. You might have US or UK citizenship, but you are Indian (ABCD or equivalent), through and through. Your behavior advertises it. You are no Uma Thurman.

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  131. Tood, Uma Thurman lived in Desh?

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  132. Video diary of Barack Obama, Russia 2009
    The latest news, facts, curious.
    You can watch here:Barack Obama-Russia 2009-online video

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  133. roissy:

    you missed this story. putin praised bush’s “friendship” before meeting with obama on his trip over here. clearly a tactic to marginalize obama and put him on the defensive.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSTRE5661Q520090707

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  134. Obsidian–

    I’ve never hidden the fact that I’m a Race Man, but that’s a far cry from engaging in beating people up or killing them or even condoning said actions because of the color of their skin.

    Well that would seem a lot more like altruism and forbearance if you were a member of the large majority and in power, such as in say Zimbabwe or today’s South Africa, or yesterday’s Haiti.

    What you do instead Obsidian in the name of trying to understand differences and the guise of sometimes trying to help white betas, is work endlessly, and very smoothly, to undermine the sexual and woman attracting confidence of beta white men, or whatever confidence or hope they are gaining here, and suggest that really it’s probably hopeless, for in born HBD reasons. Oh, there is a beta here you are genuinely trying to help: David Alexander. Who’s just happens to be black.

    You repeatedly ask about white birth rates, and emphasize ominously wherever they are lowest, and never seem to understand for long how that has nothing to do with a lack of male verility, but rather the affluence, educational levels, career aspirations of white women — and Japanese women, and so on. You drop it when it’s explained for the umpteenth time by me or PA or someone else, but then somehow you never seem to remember and bring up your puzzlement again and again in the future. Again and again you suggest it must be virility or related things wrong with white men, who just don’t seem to be able to get the job done, you smoothly and innocently muse.

    You repeatedly ask, as in the Role Reversal thread that I quoted from, how feminism could have undermined the masculinity of young white men so much more than black men. That too has been explained to you many times before, and was again last night, in terms of who feminism (with support from all the left) targeted and who it did not. White men and growing boys of gen Y were propagandized and coerced to get into line on not showing male dominance and aggression, especially in the higher white classes, while black and Latino boys were comparatively given a pass on this. As well white males are taught in many ways to restrain their pride and especially their group pride, while black males are taught to accentuate theirs in all available and plausible ways.

    As one small but tangible example of black male dominance being given a pass, the feminist assault on “misogynistic” lyrics in rap was stopped dead in its tracks, and right quick too, when a good portion of the black community started playing the racist card and black women divided on the issue or really largely stayed shut.

    All of this and more too has been explained again and again, and while you don’t disagree at the time by and large, it never seems to take. Puzzlement returns. Funny that. It never stops you from asking the same “innocently” confused questions about the differential impacts of feminism on white versus black men in America, again, and again, and again. As Seeking Alpha was pointing out over the last several days in his arguments with you.

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  135. Tood – I’m a physicist who does medical research. I’m not making stuff up. In addition, most of my family are engineers. All of us work with foreigners everyday and a lot of them are very good.

    In my experience, the foreigners who are good at their jobs stay and find jobs. A lot of them aren’t very good and go back. If there are a lot of good ones back in their home countries, then grad schools and companies need to do a better job of sorting them out the good ones from the bad (it would help if they cracked down on test cheating and gave phone interviews instead of relying on written tests of English).

    There are foreigners in medicine, but they have to go to medical school first (which is expensive) or they have to do a long residency and go through long certification processes. Because its harder than say studying electrical engineering (where you get a stipend in grad school and there is no certification process besides schooling and you don’t have to speak english well), there are less foreign doctors.

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  136. on July 8, 2009 at 3:32 pm SmartyJones

    @ thee Obsidian

    Appreciate your thoughtful posts, but I wish more folks would understand that no group should be viewed as a monolith of anything.

    When I read your posts on any number of topics, I see a guy who is speaking for himself. Respeck!

    You are like the Camille Paglia of this board. You think and act for yourself. The irony is that there is a natural inclination for black families to be conservative but in voting they are reacting to feelings and attitudes which may not be serving them well. We can look to the manipulations of those who exploit it so well, Marion Barry being an example.

    You had to be really brave to not only vote your own views but to voice them to others. That couldn’t have been easy. Some people will criticize blacks for voting for Obama but I actually give them a pass. There’s a lot of emotions and historical baggage tied in there.

    As an American, I’m concerned for the country too. And inflation unleashed will have the most dire impact on the poor first and foremost.

    One thing I can say is that a lot of folks don’t really know what it’s like being on the “other side.” I’ve been the only white guy playing basketball in a black neighborhood or having a black friend go solo at a party in mine. And I can tell you firsthand, I was more readily accepted in the former than how others responded in the latter.

    We’ve made a lot of progress but we have a ways to go no doubt. If folks would take the MLK creed to heart, we could cover a lot more ground rapidly too. Judge a man by his character not the color of his skin.

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  137. while white male commenters on this blog who declare that they want to “exterminate” the West and Western Civilization

    Any specifics or just your general sense of things?

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  138. I was looking at Pravda, one of the major Russian newspapers, to see if I could find out what the Kremlin is saying about Obama (Pravda is essentially an arm of the Kremlin), when I came across this:

    http://english.pravda.ru/russia/history/30-05-2008/105391-russian_women-0

    Not related to the post topic, but worth sharing.

    By the way, the articles in Pravda on Obama are pretty positive. I guess they know a fellow Marxist when they see one, eh?

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  139. on July 8, 2009 at 3:33 pm Willard Libby

    Judged only by the actions of Kruschev’s and Medvedev’s reactions to American leadership, in which time period was America more likely to be the alpha:

    a. when Kruschev disrespected us, or

    b. when Medvedev disrespected us?

    Judged MERELY by Kruschev’s and Medvedev’s reactions to American leadership I would say America was a young Alpha in the early 60s and that in 2009 it is a herbish-beta.

    But obviously now America is a far superior nation to Russia and has a much brighter future and that has NOTHING to do with temporary place holders like Obama or Medvedev.

    If Obama and Medvedev had never been born our two countries would be in the exact relationship they are now.

    Now compare George W. Bush with Vladimir Zhirinovsky here:

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  140. S., first of all, economists are ALWAYS predicting recessions/bear markets/depressions. It’s a parlor game: which economist will guess right? Like pundits, they are not punished for bad predictions, only good ones; its like a football player predicting “I’ll run for 150 yards” before every game and then doing it once; he didn’t predict it, he made a boast many times, and got lucky.

    Second, in 6+ months in office, NotMyPresident has done more to cripple our economy than any president since FDR in the 1930s.

    And the evidence on FDR is clear: his policies of extreme intervention (extending those of Hoover, an interventionsit himself) took what should have been a 2-3 Depression and made it a 15 year debacle.

    If there is no WWII killing off GI’s (thus removing a lot of unemployment) and causing a need for war equipment (not a stimulus, but a genuine market situation) plus the after effects (US left unscathed domestically and thus becomes main supplier of goods for much of the world), then the US could have never survived FDR’s policies.

    And Nobama is doing worse, day by day.

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  141. White Girl – How did you choose your handle?

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  142. on July 8, 2009 at 3:40 pm SmartyJones

    @ Seeking_Alpha – we may rue the day we didn’t have a leader who would stand up for the Iranian people dying in the streets. Sadly, our lack of action on the matter may have led directly to many more Iranians dying.

    You know that 4th of July barbecue was more important.

    @ ‘white girl’ – actually if Rev. Wright said damn white girl, we’d all applaud here.

    @ tunacanman – notice how that murderous mutt Chavez is warming up to Obama. He made lots of anti-US remarks but is now refraining. He’s begun to realize that Obama is his friend. Obama won’t give our ally Columbia a trade agreement and Chavez is seeing the light there and now in Honduras.

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  143. Smarty –

    Repeating what I said before:

    Smarty

    Did you ever think you’d live to see the day that a country would toss a would be dictator out on his ass and the US would try to have his left wing ass reinstalled?

    Iran. Not left wing but still…

    I meant the Shah and Mossadegh.

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  144. “visceral animus” of a racial nature? Yep I think that defines Obama very well! Which came first.the chicken or the egg? We have a long and storied history of grotesque black male conduct,and we MUST know by now you hate our guts,a dn the “civil rights” you so endlessly yammer about are NOT for “white males”,so we start off w/o a lot of love for a black male Prez. but he is living down to his rep!!

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  145. WG –

    What % do you think of roissy’s readership/commentators are american white males?

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  146. I chose my handle coz i googled “black men white women” (i was looking for a specific article i read elsewhere a while back) and it brought me to this site to the black men and white women piece. I chose “white girl” only to make it clear that with all the views put forth their from white and black men, and a few black women, that i was representing my demographic.

    I do think it irks many white males that an attractive alpha black male is in the WHITE House. If he were old and ugly with a “big mama” fat wife, he’d be cut more slack.

    However, if he had a WHITE wife, (despite being half white himself)… oh lawdy lawd!!!! All HELL would break lose in this country.

    Obsidian is right. the USA is very racially charged besides trying to show off to the world that it is not.

    The global citizenry sees right through us though.

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  147. on July 8, 2009 at 3:44 pm The Viscount

    Congrats Roissy, you just got an indirect link from Instapundit, via Chicago Boyz. Here comes the Instalanche….

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  148. on July 8, 2009 at 3:45 pm Willard Libby

    Mandy! XD

    ……… but Russia is a terrible nation. It is a third world country. It has high HIV rates, high drug use rates, a bad economy, etc.

    Mandy, you just described the “black nation” within the American nation.

    But Obama was not born and schooled in that one and it makes a difference.

    If you think the Russians don’t like Obama imagine how they would react to the typical black politician.

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  149. “The stock market tanked because of the unscrupulous lending that was going on for years before, by bankers (hence, the “housing bubble”). ”

    S.,

    What precipitated this unscrupulous lending by bankers? Also, what are your thoughts on fiat currency regimes and government-enabled bank credit expansion?

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  150. For those of you thinking Putin is an alpha:

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  151. White Girl

    Interesting. Can you leave now?

    Obviously there are some attractive black men and good looking black girls. The Obamas are not them! He looks like a dork with big ears and she has an incredibly manly face.

    They are hardly the Kennedys.

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  152. Ozornik – Thank you!

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  153. on July 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm Willard Libby

    White Girl – I think it irks you that there is a sexually attractive black man running your country.

    When are you going to get over your Indian racism and get a sexually attractive black man into your life.

    What better way to get rid of all that pent up bitterness, Hindu princess.

    Don’t worry we wont tell your family.

    Promise.

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  154. Doug,
    First of all I feel even stronger against regimes like the Papa & Baby Docs and Mugabes of the world, because they hurt the most vulnerable of humanity, poor Black folk who more often than not don’t have the means to help themselves, for whatever reasons. I despise them. Period.

    Second, I have reached out to a number of White guys here to help them get laid or even find love-most recent case in point, Arpagus. While everyone else is busy gettin’ on their high horse and denouncing him from on-high I focused on trying to give the guy real tools to work with. Rudimentary stuff, yea, but tools nonetheless. And lo and behold, it worked. And why did I do that? Because I think its a good thing of guys get laid. Its a safer, happier, better world when that happens, I don’t give a darn what color he is, nor the color of the Woman he chooses to screw.

    And I would have thought you’d have figured it out by now, Doug-I am purposely taking the idea of HBD and piledriving it on its head-if its true that Black folk on average aren’t as smart as Whites, might it also be true that really smart White guys may not be able to pull chicks-especially in relation to the aforementioned Black guys? And if not, why? Why should HBD only work in one direction and in one area, and not others? Hmm?

    And as for your explanation of White Feminism and its supposedly worse effects on Gen Y or X White guys as opposed to Black/Hispanic guys, I vociferously disagree and in fact turn it around-Feminism has been far worse for the latter groups than the former. How? Because at least those Gen Y White guys had dads in the home-Feminists fought for stuff like welfare and the like that all but destroyed the Black familiy outright.

    Moreover, Hip Hop has been under constant assault by virtually all parties from C. Dolores Tucker to Oprah. What a lot of people don’t wanna deal with is that many rappers are only saying the same things Roissy and others say about the true sexual natures of Women, they just crank up the Roissyisms to the 10th Power, lol. Brothas saw that stuff firsthand and refused to tow the line like their milquetoast White brethren did. And that’s the truth, ruth.

    When one tallies it up Doug, my track record in these areas are far and away better than the likes of guys like GNP Apeman and Willard Libby, yet I’m constantly excoriated by tunnelvision guys like you, because I dare to bring another perspective to the HBD and related topics debate. Well, that’s too bad. Yea, I’m Black and I’m Proud, but I’m also Human, too. They don’t have to be mutually exclusive.

    The Obsidian

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  155. Michelle Obama is not too hot, but Obama is a good looking guy. At least as good looking or better looking than JFK. JFK had potential to be good looking if not for those Kennedy teeth and bloated face.

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  156. Richard Lynn told that he thought that Russia and Eastern Europe are the best hope for the survival of the white race.

    See here

    http://hbdbooks.com/?p=199

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  157. on July 8, 2009 at 3:53 pm SmartyJones

    Obama’s wife was so pissed they almost broke up around 2000. She said she couldn’t stand his selfishness.

    So go ask Michelle ‘white girl.’

    You know sometimes you can take the girl out of the third world but you can’t take the third world out of the girl.

    A year back met a few Indian people at a local bar. Got into a conversation about global issues and such. It was like dealing with a bunch of third world dictators in the UN General Assembly.

    Took care of it by highlighting some issues with Pakistan. That took the veneer off all the grand third worldism. In a hurry.

    @ ‘white girl’

    You have a fixation on dark, not us. You need to go back to India and get it on with some dark untouchables then come back.

    The crap you keep shoveling isn’t working here.

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  158. on July 8, 2009 at 3:54 pm Willard Libby

    White Girl – Obsidian is right. the USA is very racially charged besides trying to show off to the world that it is not.

    The global citizenry sees right through us though.

    The global citizenry is racist/nationalist and tribal in ways that would totally overwhelm most “good” Americans.

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  159. ***
    lurker

    lmao white girl. Once again doing what all racialists and feminazis do: asserting truths that are unprovable, and ignoring all the evidence to the contrary.
    ***

    Lurker, you are incorrect on this point: Obama is a PUA. He is a beta that learned he could act like an Alpha through training. So was Hitler for that mater (and Obama is nothing like Hitler, it’s just a historical example). He spent a great deal of timing working and polishing his public image and manners to the point that he seems very Alpha. Russia treating him like shit just shows the holes he has when it comes to faking being a strong leader.

    Beta’s don’t necessarily made bad leaders. Harry Truman was a beta who did alpha things when it required.

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  160. on July 8, 2009 at 3:57 pm SmartyJones

    – Willard Libby
    “White Girl – I think it irks you that there is a sexually attractive black man running your country.

    When are you going to get over your Indian racism and get a sexually attractive black man into your life.

    What better way to get rid of all that pent up bitterness, Hindu princess.

    Don’t worry we wont tell your family.

    Promise.”

    I sent her back to get some from some dark untouchables but I think that will go over people’s heads.

    You on the other hand….. a direct bulls eye.

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  161. @Andrew E:

    I’m only qualified to opine, not assert, but I think the German banking system (now “European banking”) should be the new model for the States. It’s far less cyclical, things are more controlled. Growth & expansion are more slow-going, but inflation is controlled, and so are the drastic economic downturns in places like the States. But, I am saying this as an outsider. I don’t know if/why Americans prefer their own banking, but it seems very much in tune with the American character.

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  162. WG is kook. Did Roissy cockblock her from getting it on with VK? Did Roosh WTF, nutty, hateful, socialist, and ignorant is no way to go through life.

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  163. on July 8, 2009 at 4:00 pm Willard Libby

    Joe – Michelle Obama is not too hot, but Obama is a good looking guy.

    Michelle looks like a tall ape. First Gorilla. Obama is another example of a successful guy with a dog, or in his case ape, wife.

    See John Edwards, David Letterman and others.

    What the hell is wrong with these guys?

    Who cares about being rich and famous and successful when you marry those kinds of women.

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  164. Grim, take a look at Michelle. And listen to the SWPL-things Nobama parrots. And then look at his body langauage.

    NotMyPresident is a beta by far. Married to an ugly harridan, left-wing apologizing to the core, shrinking violet when confronted with alphaness.

    pussy.

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  165. Willard, mind that, tjhat’s inflammatory.

    I prefer “Klingon dominatrix.”

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  166. S., I would say that Canadian banks and the European banks that did better than some American banks weren’t under jurisdiction of the CRA.

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  167. And here I was thinking that for the first time we got a good looking couple in the White House.

    At least seeing their pics is easy on the eyes….

    And Michelle has an hour glass figure. Her eyes and nose and cheek bones are attrative, just her chin and mouth area is a little off. Obama is handsome.

    They are not the best looking couple in the world, but they are the best looking couple thats ever been in the White House. That is for sure.

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  168. More Obama Medvedev pics:

    Medvedev & Obama

    Yeah, Obama is not looking too hot in them.

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  169. Obsidian,
    What happened to the black family will happen to lower class whites at some point. Poor women in charge leads to selecting for thugs. It happened to the lower class whites of the UK and it will happen here too. It just happened to blacks faster because black families had less time to solidify after slavery. I don’t believe race is an issue in that regard.

    The reason middle and upper class whites have become to feminized is because of guilt. Guilt over racism, guilt over the supposed evil stuff we did to women. You have a generation of white males raised by women who told them constant how everything was their fault. Their fathers were beat down by their mothers and never taught there son’s how to be men. Men need men to lead the way.

    I have a couple of black friends who are brothers. One is somewhat feminized and the other is very alpha and masculine. The difference between the 2? Their father spent a lot of time with more alpha of the 2 and the mother raised the the more beta dude.

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  170. Eh Jacqueline Kennedy was far, far, far more attractive than Michelle Obama. She’s one of the main reasons people thought JFK was attractive, because she made him look better than he was.

    Obama is clearly a beta — his wife owns him. No alpha would put up with a woman like Michelle — she’s the dominant player in that marriage, make no doubt about it.

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  171. They are not the best looking couple in the world, but they are the best looking couple thats ever been in the White House. That is for sure.

    If you just go by Obama, I’d say he could arguably be the most handsome President we’ve ever had, at least since the photograph was invented. Throw in Michelle and evaluate them as a couple and they’d be lucky to be in the top 20 looking couples. Her looks are that bad.

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  172. She’s one of the main reasons people thought JFK was attractive, because she made him look better than he was.

    I agree.

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  173. If you just go by Obama, I’d say he could arguably be the most handsome President we’ve ever had, at least since the photograph was invented. Throw in Michelle and evaluate them as a couple and they’d be lucky to be in the top 20 looking couples. Her looks are that bad.

    michelle is downright ugly. obama is not that handsome. i’d put obama’s looks in the same league as W’s. thomas jefferson was far better looking than is obama.

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  174. “they are the best looking couple thats ever been in the White House”

    —lmao rofl. oh white girl you are good for a laugh.

    Klingon dominatrix.

    Can’t say much about Nobama, but Michelle is an ugly harridan only a lesbinazi or a bitched-out beta could love; or at least be beholden to.

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  175. Lurker,
    I agree Obama is a Beta. But again I believe he is the political world’s example of a PUA. He has charisma but not the strength to go with it. He wants to lead, but he no leader. It’s a game he plays to make himself look better than he is. He is a PUA Alpha, but a PUA that has not been polished enough.

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  176. on July 8, 2009 at 4:12 pm Willard Libby

    White Girl – Fact is: Obama is a well-endowed Alpha Male with the biggest GAME right now on the planet.

    And one of the ugliest wives.

    Why is that? What good is alpha staus if you are tied to a tall gorilla?

    Hugh Hefner has a billion time more Alpha status in the Game/sex department than Obama.

    Hef just injects the testosterone and viagra into his 82 year old penis and goes to work on these two……… and many more.

    19 year old twins.

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  177. roissy, here here.

    I woudl argue Washington, too. Jefferson was a classic dick-alpha. FDR might get the nod, but only in his younger years.

    Many confuse youth with beauty here. Most presidents become so when older–because, as Nobama and Kennedy proved, youthful inexperience really hurts the nation.

    Really, youth-wise, compare Nobama with Kennedy and Teddy R. Other than that, its like comparing old Harrison ford to Star-Wars Harrison Ford.

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  178. If the First Lady were a shade or two lighter, I’d bet you’d think she was more attractive.

    [editor: you may as well say “if the first lady were a good-looking white woman…”]

    The fact is, her eyes, nose and cheeks are attractive but her chin and mouth is a little off. Other than that, she’s good looking and has a fantastic figure.

    [she’s not good looking and she doesn’t have a great figure. her hips and ass are too fat and she has the shoulders of a linebacker.]

    Second best looking couple in the White House: the Clintons. Not my types, but still, attractive. Hillary was really cute back in her 20s. I knew y’all hate her as a “feminazi” but if she acted like Jackie O, you would’ve probably said she was the best looking first lady, right? Blonde… blue eyed…. thin (at the time)

    [bill clinton was not as good-looking as W. hillary waaay back in the day was no better than a 5]

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  179. on July 8, 2009 at 4:14 pm SmartyJones

    @ ‘white girl’

    Isn’t there a desi site where you can discuss your endless fascination with the Obamas and your desire for some dark meat?

    Repeating it here is getting you no where. At least there maybe a sister can point you in the right direction.

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  180. JKF was WAY better looking than Obama, and Jacqueline vastly better looking than Michelle.

    There were a lot of good looking presidents from earlier years and some good looking first ladies as well.

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  181. Harriet Christian knew it all along:

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  182. Grim, nuh-huh. JohnEdwards fits that bill, not Nobama. He’s more a lucky beta-done-good. He repeats al the aphorisms, gets praised by his group of friends, and his reviled as an utter weakling by alphas and non-group members.

    A PUA garners respect from alphas, if only because he made himself better. Nobama gets no respect and betrays all the beta attributes with none of the alpha tricks.

    A true beta all the way.

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  183. Andrew Jackson and Warren Harding were both way better looking than Obama.

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  184. Tood We have to increase educated immigration, and decrease uneducated immigration.

    No we can’t afford this either. We should support(full scholarships) American students who study the hard sciences and perform well. Americans should not become second class citizens in their own country.

    Obisidian that most White Male members here cannot be objective wrt anything that has the word “Obama” in it,

    Yes Mu, a good number(but not all) of the men here have problems with Obama because he is blk. It’s the same sort of reasoning that led whiskey to scream at you “you can’t have Bond, he is our’s”. They see this country as essentially being “theirs” even if their ancestors entered the country far later than those of the average African-American.

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  185. WG, Hillary Clinton. lol. you say that with a straight face?

    lmao. FAIL.

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  186. on July 8, 2009 at 4:20 pm Eric Stratton, Rush Chairman

    Let’s see…

    – Bows to the king of Saudi Arabia.

    – Lectures his own people as if they were children.

    – Makes nice with Latin dictators like Daniel Ortega.

    – Tells us we have to change the kind of light bulbs we use.

    – Is married to a pushy, unpleasant, self-important harpie.

    I’m confused…is Jimmy Carter president again?

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  187. S.,

    Every country in the world is on the same fiat currency monetary standard that the US operates under so to the extent that other countries’ banks exhibit more discipline, that’s a policy decision.

    I think it’s crucial to never lose sight of the fact that the current economic and financial crisis is a creature of excessive government, not bankers. Implicit, explicit government guarantees, the Greenspan put, removed all discipline from the market in lending. Greed was no longer balanced by fear. And the bankers were right, all major US banks are insolvent and only Lehman no longer exists.

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  188. That’s another thing, the foaming at the mouth so many White guys do when it comes to Michelle Obama. I don’t get it-what does she have to do w/anything? She’s not POTUS. Its like the animus directed at Hillary when she was First Lady cranked up 10x or something.

    [editor: a discussion of michelle’s looks came up, not her aspirations for POTUS.]

    I personally couldn’t care less what Michelle looks like, I’m not voting for or against Obama on that basis. Can someone really explain why so many White guys are so angry at Michelle?

    [correctly noting michelle’s ugliness is not synonymous with anger towards her. e.g., i note margaret thatcher was ugly, does that mean i hate her? i hope not, cause her politics were a-ok in my book.]

    O

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  189. on July 8, 2009 at 4:23 pm Willard Libby

    White Girl

    If the First Lady were a shade or two lighter, I’d bet you’d think she was more attractive.

    Michelle looks like an ape, it’s not just about skin tone. Just like race is not just about skin color.

    Michelle is grotesque. She looks like an ape, deal with it.

    I ain’t married to her. She’s not my problem. If your boy Obama wants to use his appeal to pull her that’s his issue.

    Since you like to google, White girl, how about googling Michelle Obama

    The bitch is a straight up throwback to the Planet of the Apes.

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  190. Greg Obama holds back as Iran protesters are fighting . . . SMART MOVE. The last thing you want is Tehran later saying it was all an American set-up. We can’t fight their battles for them

    agreed.

    I guess Britain had much to say about what occurred there so the Kohemmni(tp) blamed the uprising on Britain and the BBC. We don’t have the money to fight endless wars. We are fighting two, how many more can we afford to fight? Do we ask China for more money to fight North Korea and Iran? How about the current uprising(Uyghurs) in China? Do we issue a challenge to China about how the Uyghurs versus Han fighting/protests are handled?

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  191. O:

    ” Can someone really explain why so many White guys are so angry at Michelle?”

    —“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country.”

    End Scene.

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  192. Eric Lectures his own people as if they were children.
    Yes he told Blk men they need to be active fathers who marry the mother’s of their children. Your problem with this is? Is the OOW(70%) rate not a problem for many people on this blog as well as America as a whole?

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  193. JKF was WAY better looking than Obama, and Jacqueline vastly better looking than Michelle.

    That’s very arguable. Even if one thinks he’s better looking it’s not WAY better. Those Kennedy teeth and that puffy Kennedy face kill any chance of him being “way” better looking than Obama. Kennedy teeth are horrid. JFK Jr is VERY lucky he did not get the potato head and the Kennedy teeth.

    I totally agree with you on Jackie O and Michelle Obama.

    As far as older presidents go, I’m always wary of paintings. They can be very flattering. I’ve seen some artist’s renditions of Michelle that make her look non-Klingon for example. That’s why I’m only going by presidents with photos. I will agree though that if Tom Jefferson really did look like his portrait he was better looking than Obama.

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  194. chic, not what we were talking about.

    He is a condescending prick. To everyone. A whiny SWPL clone.

    Joe:
    “JFK Jr is VERY lucky he did not get the potato head and the Kennedy teeth.”
    —but unluck he inherited the alcoholism and bad driving skills

    Hiyo!

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  195. “Hillary was really cute back in her 20s. I knew y’all hate her as a “feminazi” but if she acted like Jackie O, you would’ve probably said she was the best looking first lady, right? Blonde… blue eyed…. thin (at the time)”

    ???

    Hillary was “cute” when she was younger? I saw the Yale Law pics — not cute at all.

    She is objectively much less attractive than Jackie — no contest. Yes, her feminazi-ism makes her even *less* attractive, that’s true, while Jackie’s effortless feminine elegance (which really underlines just how much women have lost in the last 5 decades) increased her own. But even in terms of raw physicality, there is no contest — not even close.

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  196. Chic,
    Yup. I think a lot of white guys really shoot themselves in the foot too when they go all apeshit about Obama like that, too. They should focus their efforts on crafting keen arguments based on nothing but his policies, and leave all the other stuff alone.

    As for the H1B issue, etc, it’ll be interesting to see how that will play out, as the meritocracy argument starts to bite White folks in the butt-already out in Cali, smarter Asians are beginning to displace White students in the hard sciences, and Indians aren’t far behind. Who will be to blame then? Black and Brown folk?

    O

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  197. Novaseeker, see my links above for Hillary “beauty” shots lol.

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  198. on July 8, 2009 at 4:31 pm Willard Libby

    chic noir – Yes Mu, a good number(but not all) of the men here have problems with Obama because he is blk.

    Just like those same White men had a problem with Clinton because he is White.

    They see this country as essentially being “theirs” even if their ancestors entered the country far later than those of the average African-American.

    But BEFORE Obama’s African ancestor arrived. And before yours as well.

    Black folks fear White men’s criticism of Obama because it plays to their deep seated fears of lynchings and racial violence by White Alpha men.

    Their fears are irrational but they have been cultivated in the black imagination for 400 years so I guess we have to be nice and “liberal” and like Clinton bite out lower lips and say “I feel your pain!”.

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  199. O:

    ” Can someone really explain why so many White guys are so angry at Michelle?”

    Lurker nailed it.

    But really, the whole “Michelle is like Lady Di, Oprah, Iman, and Mother Theresa rolled into one tight ass, hot, fashionable package” gets annoying. Same with Obama being a “combination of FDR, JFK, Jesus, and King of the world all rolled up into one” press coverage.

    Those over the top comparisons bring out these “she’s a Klingon” responses

    Ace of Spades nailed it:
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/288309.php
    “Michelle Obama must be angry at herself for always upstaging former top international model Carla Bruni. As the media has told us she does.”

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  200. I don’t think Andrew Jackson was incredibly better looking than Obama either. Once again, it’s paintings. They tend to be all over the place, and when you commission one, you can ask the painter to be flattering. Too subjective. For example are you going by Jackson’s picture on the currency or this portrait below?

    Because he does not look too hot in that one.

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  201. “Its like the animus directed at Hillary when she was First Lady cranked up 10x or something.”

    Nonsense, O. It is closer to toned down to 1/10th. Hillary was HATED. Michelle is pushed as a super-sexy woman when she is clearly not and guys are stating that she is not. She might be held in contempt, but she is no way near receives nearly the hostility that Hillary did.

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  202. Actually, probably William Henry Harrison (I think it was him) had the hottest wife. He raised her (as a ward, the child of a dead friend if I remember) and married her at, oh, say, 19.

    Perfect.

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  203. on July 8, 2009 at 4:34 pm snatch magnet

    @ Eric Stratton

    Jimmy Goddamn Carter, in blackface You nailed it!

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  204. on July 8, 2009 at 4:36 pm SmartyJones

    @ Obsidian – again find us in 100% agreement in regards to Michelle. My attitude is that as long as she stays out of policy and does some good service to the nation she’s fine.

    But a lot of other people haven’t forgotten her remarks about the country. They are really pissed about it to this day. And Michelle had no pride issues in accepting a 300K salary as a hospital administrator after her husband got the same hospital a seven figure handout via an earmark.

    She’s had no “pride” issue in that.

    But my attitude is to leave her on the sidelines as long as she does same. Someone has said she crossed the line on Sotomayor but I haven’t seen it myself.

    Unlike Chelsea Clinton who went out campaigning for her mom and the media acted as if we all had to lay off of her. Well she was on the political trail trying to get votes, so I say Chelsea was fair game.

    @ chic noir

    You are wrong about the Brits. I’manutjob has attacked both the US and the Uk for the uprising by Iranians. Providing moral authority on the global stage is not analogous to opening up a war front.

    Weak. Very weak.

    There is little doubt that more Iranians have been tortured and died because the US provided no moral leadership in standing up to Iran’s brutality.

    Praise Obama!

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  205. Mu That’s another thing, the foaming at the mouth so many White guys do when it comes to Michelle Obama

    I don’t understand why they have so much anger and hatred towards her either?

    Can someone really explain why so many White guys are so angry at Michelle?

    yes guys, enquiring minds want to know.

    [editor: please don’t be a dumbass again. i’ve already explained this to mu. a man noting a woman’s ugliness does not necessarily mean he hates her. for example, i note that margaret thatcher was incredibly ugly, yet i like her politics and character as a woman and i harbor no anger toward her. mu’s theory, and your’s, are therefore disproved.]

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  206. Agree with Annonymous

    Nonsense, O. It is closer to toned down to 1/10th. Hillary was HATED. Michelle is pushed as a super-sexy woman when she is clearly not and guys are stating that she is not. She might be held in contempt, but she is no way near receives nearly the hostility that Hillary did.

    Very few people hate her. But the media acts like she’s this gorgeous woman and she’s really not. There are beautiful black women but she is not one of them.

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  207. Lurker,
    Yea, I recall Michelle’s “proud to be an American” remark. So? Why is that so bad? We all knew what she was saying-for the first time, one of her own had a real shot at becoming the Leader of the Free World. And MILLIONS-if voting polls are any indication, a clear, overwhelming majority-of African Americans agreed with her-again, so what? Why is that so bad? I just don’t get it.

    Please explain?

    O

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  208. on July 8, 2009 at 4:39 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian – Its like the animus directed at Hillary when she was First Lady cranked up 10x or something.”

    Naw, that’s just your black male paranoia again. You are downplaying the record of Hillary hate because she is a White woman and exaggerating the minor amount of Michelle hate because she’s black.

    Simple as that.

    Classic photographic look at the mind of most black females.

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  209. “Yes he told Blk men they need to be active fathers”

    He also told Black women that they were doing a splendid job. Of course, they raised those black men that he bitched at so…

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  210. The picture concludes that the Russian dominated the Beta president. He doesn’t even acknowledge Obama which is a total sign of disrespect and dominance. There is no question that Obama’s inexperience has embarrassed him. It would have been a spectacle to see Teddy Roosevelt in Obama’s place.

    Most people really don’t pay attention. Russia has been in a WAR, they invaded a foreign country, killed civilians and violated international law. Did they get punished? No… UN and US just made empty remarks just like they are doing to North Korea. This is a sign that no one is respecting US authority and shows a shift in power.

    Now Obama is taking steps to decrease nuclear weapons! One of the major advantage US has over rouge nations. Russia has less stock pile and most of their technology is severely outdated, this would only benefit America’s enemies. US will never be able to “speak softly but carry a big stick again.”

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  211. Greg

    Chic’s quoting you in approval took me to your post, since I agreed with her approval of it. This:

    Obama holds back as Iran protesters are fighting . . . SMART MOVE. The last thing you want is Tehran later saying it was all an American set-up.

    Yuup.

    I don’t agree with half or more of the rest of your post. Afghanistan was essential. So was the first Iraq war, but not the second one. Aid for the South in Vietnam made sense until a little before Kennedy was assassinated, but not Johnson’s escalation and the sending in of us troops beyond advisers. The South was too corrupt and uncommitted to fighting their own war, against a determined enemy. We should have drawn a different line then, in Thailand (and Indonesia) which we did.

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  212. The anger about Michelle’s looks is extreme because it’s a backlash against constantly being told she’s so outrageously hot and having these ridiculous comparisons to Jackie O and other hotties always shoved down our throat. The gushing is excessive, thus the backlash is equally excessive.

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  213. Obsidian and Chic’s refusal to even bother to listen or understand anything outside their race vision leads me to seriously reconsider hormoaning’s post from yesterday.

    Black people on the whole basically suffer from congenital narcissistic personality disorder. They have no interest in anything but black people and how non-black people view black people. Any convo they initiate that’s not about them is something like the old chestnut “well, enough about me, tell me–what do YOU think about me?” They contribute nothing to the thousands year old discourse of the West (tace, Thomas Sowell)–they are exclusively parasitic on its philosophical and technological developments.

    Like most people with NPD, they also show no interest in or conception of what the quieter, more reserved people around them may think of them, only insisting that the people around them reflect their inflated self image back like good little mirrors. The fact that whites loathe and despise them in direct relationship to how much contact they have with them is below their radar, having bought the line that “racism is just ignorance”.

    Get over it.

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  214. @novaseeker,

    while Jackie’s effortless feminine elegance (which really underlines just how much women have lost in the last 5 decades) increased her own. But even in terms of raw physicality, there is no contest — not even close.

    Why did Jackie O. wear those iconoclastic dark glasses?…..because she had hypertelorism……abnormally wide set eyes. Also, Jackie’s mouth widened hugely when she she spoke, thus, she spoke slow and constrained mouth movements. I agree she was elegant and made the best of her natural appearance.

    The photos of young Hillary at Watergate hearings ……I think she was cute.

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  215. Black people on the whole basically suffer from congenital narcissistic personality disorder. They have no interest in anything but black people and how non-black people view black people. Any convo they initiate that’s not about them is something like the old chestnut “well, enough about me, tell me–what do YOU think about me?” They contribute nothing to the thousands year old discourse of the West (tace, Thomas Sowell)–they are exclusively parasitic on its philosophical and technological developments.

    Like most people with NPD, they also show no interest in or conception of what the quieter, more reserved people around them may think of them, only insisting that the people around them reflect their inflated self image back like good little mirrors.

    You’re right but in fairness HBD people are the same way. Change “black” to “white” in the part I quoted and you have your average HBD guy. That’s why HBD people and blacks here clash so strongly, they’re both two competing camps of narcissists.

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  216. Roissy, let’s act like gentlemen and respect each other, OK? There’s no need for either of us to act like a dickhead. Respect. Both ways.

    My point is, that Michelle’s looks, one way or another, is irrelevant to Obama’s job,

    [editor: ob, i’m only going to write this once, and then i’m deleting any comments that can’t or won’t grasp my easily understandable point. obama’s job or michelle’s job are not necessarily relevant to discussions about michelle’s looks. it is possible to discuss a woman’s looks as a standalone matter having nothing to do with her husband’s job performance. as for your theory that white men who find michelle ugly must hate her, i’ve already disproven it by at least my one example. i find margarat thatcher ugly, and will say so, and yet i don’t hate her at all. now, please, if you want respect, stop dancing around these very basic refutations of your overblown theories.]

    and I feel the exact same way if it were John Edwards, or John McCain, or GWB, or Bill Clinton. I am asking why so many White guys-because they are the group groaning the loudest-are making such a huge, mountain out of a moehill deal out of someone who ultimately doesn’t make a difference in things one way or another? And it gives the perception, yet again, of Angry White Guys nitpicking and being petty. Instead of sticking to issues that matter and concentrating on crafting legit counter arguments wrt Obama’s policies, so much time and energy is wasted cracking on Michelle. And it just aint here, its accross the blogosphere. Its ridiculous, its silly, and its a waste of time.

    Now, remember what we talked about, Roissy. I respect you. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the same in return. OK?

    The Obsidian

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  217. Joe–

    The anger about Michelle’s looks is extreme because it’s a backlash against constantly being told she’s so outrageously hot and having these ridiculous comparisons to Jackie O and other hotties always shoved down our throat. The gushing is excessive, thus the backlash is equally excessive.

    That’s it exactly. Though I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about her.

    The other thing is she looks so damn domme.

    And yeah, her obvious large racial animus. Which we’re supposed to completely ignore, and docilely agree she’s beautiful, and indeed the the new front running standard in beauty, according to the media.

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  218. anonnaC

    …they also show no interest in or conception of what the quieter, more reserved people around them may think of them, only insisting that the people around them reflect their inflated self image back like good little mirrors.

    holy fuck – now I understand Rap

    i get it

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  219. uh, HBD?

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  220. I agree about Harding, he probably was better looking than Obama.

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  221. usual suspect When did Russia kill people based on skin color?

    From what I’ve read, these problems started in the late 80’s early 90’s after the fall of communism when the Russian economy was thrown into a tizzy. Little old ladies were selling their medicine to make a few extra bucks, times were hard for everyone, the rate of alcoholism skyrocked. Being human, Russians went looking for someone to blame for their misfortune.

    The other, being mostly students from former African and Asian countries that were aligned with Russia, got the hard end of the stick(no pun). The Neo-Nazis & skinhead movements were able to grow for many of the same reason that gangs are found predominantly in poor working class neighborhoods where fathers (real) are few and far between.

    SmartyJones Does anyone recall the wishy washy statement by Obama during the Russian action against Georgia last year? No but I remember the one Bush gave, just a load of words flapping his gums. Bush knew there was really nothing he could do. We may need Russia because of Iran. Furthermore, we can’t fight three wars at once.

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  222. @doug1: Just to be fair, yeah, I didn’t mean we shouldn’t have gotten into the wars. I was talking there about the shortsightedness of USA’s foreign policy goals. They abandoned Osama and the Taliban, and look what happened. They put Hussein in power and walked away, and look what happened. They could have deposed him when they won the first gulf war in the 80s, in 3 days, but they chose to leave. It’s really short sighted policy.

    And I’m not even talking about the fact that we dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima, and used Agent Orange in vietnam, etc. That can be considered “strategic” or whatever. But funding our enemy’s enemy and then leaving was just plain stupid, IMHO. That’s what I meant.

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  223. Obs, I don’t see why he should respect you when you’re being dishonest.

    . Instead of sticking to issues that matter and concentrating on crafting legit counter arguments wrt Obama’s policies, so much time and energy is wasted cracking on Michelle. And it just aint here, its accross the blogosphere. Its ridiculous, its silly, and its a waste of time.

    That’s patently false and you know it. People, here and across the blogosphere, spend 100x more time talking about Barack than Michelle.

    The only reason it came up was because White Girl was saying how we’re jealous that this guy looking black guy has this hot black wife in the white house.

    We didn’t bring it up. No one is saying it has to do with his policies. No one said ‘well Obama sucks as President cause Michelle is ugly’. We said ‘Michelle isn’t hot, she’s ugly’, which apparently White Girl, Chic and you disagree with.

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  224. Correction: my bad Roissy, I thought your edited remark was addressed to me, when it was in fact addressed to Chic Noir. My apologies.

    Having said that though, I was wondering if you please stop speaking to Chic in the ways you have in recent months. There is nothing gained in doing so and only lowers you as a Man. Clearly, you and Chic are inclined to disagree. I just hope you two can do so w/o being disagreeable.

    Again, my bad.

    The Obsidian

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  225. Honestly I ask you, why should our president be “alpha” in the sense of banging chicks?

    You know, there is the concept of the first lady, presidential family, even a dog. Only one or two of our presidents were unmarried I believe. It was a sign of stability and certainty and credibility, for the voters. Screwing around with females would simply UNDERMINE the president’s credibility and reputation, and by extension the country’s.

    Clinton got into a scandal for cheating on his wife. Before that, JFK etc. had an “old boys club” and it was taboo for the press to report on all the secretaries frolicking in the pool. But these days, things are less certain between the sexes than ever. I think it’s a sign of the times that marriage/dating/dominance/courting/interest are all uncertain. Maybe in the not too distant future we’ll start electing playboy presidents with a new girlfriend every week. I don’t know what the future holds, but for now, I don’t think it’s so good for our president to be a philanderer.

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  226. I’m curious… Clinton is a ridiculously charming and smooth dude, why did he marry a swamp donkey like Hilary? Barack could have done better than Michelle, but he does have some beta-ish tendencies, and I think Michelle falls safely within the boundary of “not terrible.”

    [editor: some would argue barack got the best deal he could at the time he met michelle, because he was a beta back then, but i disagree. he could’ve done better, even though he hadn’t accomplished much beside a haul through academia at that point in his life. it’s possible barack is an outlier and truly finds michelle attractive, or he married her out of political considerations to shore up his black base of support. the second reason would be quite cynical and a blow against marriage as a recognition of two people in love, but hey that’s why i always say marriage is an incomplete proxy for what kinds of women men actually find attractive.]

    But Bill/Hilary? What was he thinking?

    [hillary wasn’t ugly when bill met her as a co-ed. but she aged right into ugliness.]

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  227. Seeking Alpha,
    You know what? *I* don’t particularly care for how Michelle looks, and I kinda agree w/Roissy, Doug, Lurker, my God, even Willard, that she indeed comes off as Mannish looking. But you know what? I’m not voting for or against her, I’m voting for or against Obama himself.

    Moreover, why so many White guys get so bent outta shape by the SWPL press, who clearly has an agenda that you all are aware of, is beyond me. So what?! And I can point you to quite a lot of ink wasted on Michelle on the web.

    Again, it just comes off as Sour Grapes of the worst kind from the Angry White Male party, pissin’ and moanin’ over stuff they can’t do a darn thing about. It just doesn’t look good, and in politics, you need to appeal to more people than you repulse.

    O

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  228. Zdeno:
    “But Bill/Hilary? What was he thinking?”
    —About his political future.

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  229. Margaret Trudeau was a really pretty first lady:

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  230. Got it Obs. Any and all discussion of Michelle’s looks is off limits.

    Any other topics we’re not allowed to talk about?

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  231. American first ladies are also no contest to Carla Bruni-Sarkozy.

    [editor: true. though carla is getting a bit long in the tooth these days. i can’t think of any genuinely hot american first ladies off the top of my head.]

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  232. Some quick points about Obama:

    As a Hawaiian/Chinese/Caucasian mix breed that has experienced racial based discrimination from both darkies and whities (I’m darker than whites, lighter than most Hawaiians), I can comment on Obama and his race without the personal animus that some of you so hung up on your racial identities…

    …to me Obama is a sell out.

    No, not an uncle tom or a fake black.

    He’s a sell out to the racial ideals of Hawaii’s mixed race society. Sitting for 20 years in a Hate Whitey/Goddamn AmeriKKKa Demagouge’s church is simply a man who should know fucking better, having spent his most formative years in a place for which race is but a footnote in the big picture of social and cultural cohesion. It’s quite obvious to me that he was simply pandering for the black vote in Illinois.

    As for his alphaness/betaness, there is two points of contention here: many many women want to bang him. But than again, a lot of that has to do with SWPL politics, and the relentless pushing of Obama the Phenomena by the mainstream media. In that sense, he is an alpha.

    But look beyond the artificial veneer of his highly scripted and controlled media image, and look at the comments his wife has made in public…and it’s quite clear that Obama is a beta-ized, pussywhipped mangina.

    Where he not in politics, and identified so early in his career as a rising star, Michelle would be divorcing his beta ass by now, and chaining him into the child support/alimony system.

    That woman has made multiple emasculating statements about her husband in public. It doesn’t get any worse than that. Even Hillary, femi-nazi harridan that she is, never made public, emasculating comments about her Husband in public.

    In fact, this has got to be the first First couple for which this dynamic has taken place…I can’t ever remember any other first lady EVER speaking contemptuously of the President in public.

    Yeah, Russians may certainly be racist…but consider too that the Russians may also look at Obama and Michelle’s public statements of him, and have utter contempt for a man that can’t even dominate his woman, let alone a KGB-hardened politician.

    Medvedev knows that this man’s hand that he’s shaking has no balls….their firmly secured in Michelle’s handbag.

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  233. Tood is right re high-level professional immigration. it’s our ace in the hole against european-style demograhic decline. so build that fence along the rio grande and issue 3, 4, or 5x the number of H1Bs and skill-based green cards. brain drain from the third world benefits us enormously – always has.

    @obs- you voted for McCain? Cool. Somehow i think the commentariat conveniently discounted that major revelation.

    @WG- you’re a pain in the ass. please disappear.

    i could say a lot about russia here, but i won’t, except to nova’s points: the government is WAY more corrupt that we think it is; Russian high achievement in the sciences is mostly coasting on institutions created and people educated in the Soviet era. Investment in these areas fell off a cliff in ’91 and has not remotely recovered. it has very serious potential to be more than a resource/petro-state, but is making only minimal/gradual progress. the nature of the current government works against that evolution, which would otherwise be natural and relatively rapid.

    the analysis of body language is astute but says nothing at all about the relative geopolitical positions of the two countries. so the khrushchev/medvedev part of the post is somewhat offbase.

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  234. Lurker,
    That’s an interesting statement coming from you, since Contrarian aka TJF, engaged in as much childish namecalling as you have above.

    The simple fact remains that African Americans feel excluded in many ways, most of all wrt the highest office in the land. The fact that more Blacks voted in the last election than EVER, clearly shows that Michelle was not alone in her sentiments. And if John McCain himself can understand that, it is a true wonder that you cannot.

    O

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  235. Yes, we get it, black people in America voted for obama. Some of them more than once.

    Most white people aren’t even aware of things like walking around money and ACORN multiple voter registrations. But that is apparently an inner-city phenomenon.

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  236. on July 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm Willard Libby

    Joe – The anger about Michelle’s looks is extreme because it’s a backlash against constantly being told she’s so outrageously hot and having these ridiculous comparisons to Jackie O and other hotties always shoved down our throat. The gushing is excessive, thus the backlash is equally excessive.

    The only reason some people are paranoid about people messing with the First Gorilla is because she’s black. We all have to walk on egg shells so as not to hurt the wounded racial ego of the blacks.

    Meanwhile these same tender souls pretend not to know that Hillary on the left and Sarah Palin on the right have gotten 10,000X more hatred thrown their way than Michelle will EVER get.

    Funny how that works.

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  237. aoefe wades in with a female view:

    Both Michelle and Carla need to travel with hair stylists…just sayin…

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  238. Claiming that because women desire Nobama is the same as his being alpha is foolish, if only because he suffers from the platform-syndrome, where men who speak in public receive more sexual attractive points than not.

    Roissy has talked about this in terms of priests–of whom many are betas—suddenly becoming desireable due to the platform (and the “no touch” celibacy policy, similar to a ring on a man’s finegr).

    Many famous musicians are whiny betas—emo groups, Kanye West, etc.—but get loads of groupies due to this effect. One of the most effective ways for a beta to get chicks without becoming a PUA is to acheive fame through performance—singing, playing, acting, magic, etc.

    Not surprising Mystery, the PUA, began lfie as a failed magician (trying to get girls) then studied PUA. nto for nothing every high school loser picks up a guitar for a year or so.

    You can be beta and nail loads of chicks in these situations; however, once your fame goes away, then the wheat gets separated from the chaff. Bret Michaels still banging good looking babes right now; C.C. Demille, not so much.

    Nobama is lucky to have the podium effect right now; he essentially got the most powerful job in the world after doing nothing before hand. 5 years ago, the only chicks he gets are Michelle and ACORN groupies. Take away his job and he’s not getting any right now.

    Beta.

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  239. PA–

    Obsidian, pick one: you want white guys who man up and don’t put up with shit, or you want SWPL “tolerant” white guys. When diversity gets beyond a certain number, there is no middle ground.

    I’m just seeing this from way up thread.

    There’s a lot to this PA.

    The tolerant but stand up and take not shit generally, and be confidently dominant with women synthesis is possible for white guys but it takes some doing and has not been the left or elite’s priority in the media, schools and unis, to say the least. Instead they want white guys, or most of them, to stand aside.

    Your contrast of how Polish and Swedish men often treat foreigners who get out of line with local girls was telling.

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  240. Willard Libby–

    The only reason some people are paranoid about people messing with the First Gorilla is because she’s black. We all have to walk on egg shells so as not to hurt the wounded racial ego of the blacks.

    Meanwhile these same tender souls pretend not to know that Hillary on the left and Sarah Palin on the right have gotten 10,000X more hatred thrown their way than Michelle will EVER get

    You hit that nail on the head.

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  241. on July 8, 2009 at 5:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe your right roissy close this blog down for all our sakes the truth sometimes is to much to ask for.

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  242. DFH,
    Your comments wrt Obama are well noted, but we must also keep in mind that he was soundly defeated by Bobby Rush back in 2000. Simply put, Obama then was not Black enough. He then retooled his image in order to appeal to both White and Black groups in Chicago, which allowed him to make it into the state and ultimately the US Senate.

    O

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  243. He then retooled his image in order to appeal to both White and Black groups in Chicago, which allowed him to make it into the state and ultimately the US Senate.

    He joined Rev. Wright’s church in 2000?

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  244. on July 8, 2009 at 5:31 pm Willard Libby

    Dave from Hawaii

    Some quick points about Obama:

    ………That woman has made multiple emasculating statements about her husband in public. It doesn’t get any worse than that. Even Hillary, femi-nazi harridan that she is, never made public, emasculating comments about her Husband in public.

    In fact, this has got to be the first First couple for which this dynamic has taken place…I can’t ever remember any other first lady EVER speaking contemptuously of the President in public.

    Chris Rock.

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  245. Dave from Hawaii

    As for his alphaness/betaness, there is two points of contention here: many many women want to bang him. But than again, a lot of that has to do with SWPL politics, and the relentless pushing of Obama the Phenomena by the mainstream media. In that sense, he is an alpha.

    But look beyond the artificial veneer of his highly scripted and controlled media image, and look at the comments his wife has made in public…and it’s quite clear that Obama is a beta-ized, pussywhipped mangina.

    Where he not in politics, and identified so early in his career as a rising star, Michelle would be divorcing his beta ass by now, and chaining him into the child support/alimony system.

    That woman has made multiple emasculating statements about her husband in public. It doesn’t get any worse than that. Even Hillary, femi-nazi harridan that she is, never made public, emasculating comments about her Husband in public.

    In fact, this has got to be the first First couple for which this dynamic has taken place…I can’t ever remember any other first lady EVER speaking contemptuously of the President in public.

    Yuup.

    (good enough that it deserves repeating)

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  246. on July 8, 2009 at 5:36 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is the white mans weakness he will make fun but he will love to see the one he makes fun of suffer rather than doing the truly moral thing.

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  247. I was deeply appalled by how Sarah Palin was and still is being treated, and let many people on the Left know it. In fact, I got into one of the most heated arguments w/a good friend of nearly a decade, over Palin and Biden; he tried to float the whole airhead argument, so I calmly asked him to produce for me the number of jobs Biden has created in some 30 yrs as a US Senator? He hemmed and hawed and attacked Palin and me some more. But he couldn’t produce the figures on Biden that I asked for.

    Again: I’m interested in policy, not how someone looks, or how their spouse looks, or what they did back in 1983, etc. I’m interested in their track record and policies supported. That is how I make my decisions as to who I vote for and why. Nothing else.

    There is simply no rational argument to be made in favor of Biden over Palin, clearly she’s far and away more qualofied for the office. And the fact that she was the victim of a vile smear campaign on the Left evaporated what little respect I had left for them.

    O

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  248. Michelle looks pretty hot in this bikini…just sayin. (and I’m not saying anything else promise)

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  249. Gunslinger, stop hitting “submit comment” so fast. Slow down and combine multiple sentences into one comment. Or before we know it we’ll have another thread flooded with your half sentence hit and run comments.

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  250. on July 8, 2009 at 5:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maybe possable. What have you contributed joe do a list. And make sure you include the period.

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  251. @Dave / Hawaii

    That woman has made multiple emasculating statements about her husband in public.

    Multiple??? I know of one (Vanity Fair). Michelle was new at the media experience; I interpreted that comment in the context of trying to appear like a normal family that does not worship Daddy. I feel Michelle gets points for avoiding public comments. Really. She never states anything, despite having opinions she’d like to make known.

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  252. So why didn’t black Marylanders vote for Michael Steele?

    “Gunslinger, stop hitting “submit comment” so fast. Slow down and combine multiple sentences into one comment. Or before we know it we’ll have another thread flooded with your half sentence hit and run comments.”

    snipe!

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  253. Damn Willard….Chris Rock certainly called it.

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  254. @OBs,

    I was deeply appalled by how Sarah Palin was and still is being treated,

    Agree. The type of gleeful emotive vitriol was new political territory. My thinking was that it was generated from emotional scars, rather than reasoning. Palin reminded liberal women of abortions, lost fertility, settling for lesser (than Todd) husbands and boyfriends, non-monetized educations, single parenthood. Maureen Dowd is obscessed with anger of Palin.

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  255. on July 8, 2009 at 5:53 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Oh really anony? Whether or it was once or plenty of times, one need only look at Obama’s own words to understand the true dynamic of their relationship

    “I hate following my wife…it is true my wife is smarter, better looking. She’s a little meaner than I am.”

    The leader of the “free” world is most assuredly pussywhipped.

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  256. askjoe
    uh, HBD?

    asksteve

    🙂

    I couldn’t resist.

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  257. @Dave,
    and where did that quote originate?

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  258. on July 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm Gunslingergregi

    aoefe,

    You got me I can’t believe I just saw that.

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  259. 1. the post about black narcissism was mine

    2. HBD are by definition obsessed with race, HOWEVER they are a tiny subset of white nerds–not all white people. white people have formed entire disciplines to sympathetically studying and understanding other cultures. They invented and largely adhere to an entire WORLDVIEW known as multiculturalism that celebrates the inclusion of other races and cultures. they brag about travelling to other countries, studying other languages and eating ethnic foods. whole cliques white people have been known to convert to other cultures out of admiration for their music, style or attitude.

    so really–great point, joe

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  260. on July 8, 2009 at 6:00 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Don’t know how to use google, anony?

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  261. @gunslingergregi

    I didn’t think you could resist a bikini. 🙂

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  262. on July 8, 2009 at 6:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Nope anything worth a try at this point he he he.

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  263. on July 8, 2009 at 6:05 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Good god…using google, I found even more evidence of just who wears the pants in the Obama household…

    On a conference call to prepare for a recent debate, Barack Obama brainstormed with his top advisers on the fine points of his positions. Michelle Obama had dialed in to listen, but finally couldn’t stay silent any longer.

    “Barack,” she interjected, “Feel — don’t think!” Telling her husband his “over-thinking” during past debates had tripped him up with rival Hillary Clinton, she said: “Don’t get caught in the weeds. Be visceral. Use your heart — and your head.”

    She is not supporting her husband. She’s straight up TELLING him what to do. Damn. It’s just as bad as I thought.

    The campaign veterans shut up. They knew that Mrs. Obama’s opinion and advice mattered more to their candidate than anything they could say.

    The campaign veterans shut up. They knew that Mrs. Obama’s opinion and advice mattered more because Barack is utterly pussywhipped and afraid of his wife’s emotional state.

    With the Democratic presidential race wide open, Mrs. Obama, a 44-year-old Princeton- and Harvard Law-educated hospital executive, is assuming the same dominant role in Sen. Obama’s public life that she has in his private life. At home, she expects a lot of every family member, from having her 6- and 9-year-old daughters set their own alarm clocks to insisting her husband pick up his dirty socks. Her most recent directive to him: Stop smoking

    President Barack Obeta.

    Disgusting.

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  264. Obsidian, there is an entire continent full of black people in dire need of educated western leaders. i would suggest all of the poor blacks in the US that are so unhappy with how excluded they are could do a great deal to help out their brethren in the motherland.

    you “feel excluded” because you consistently refuse to assimilate. that’s it. blacks keep separate values, politics, language, art, music, literature, movies, food, dance, sport.

    its not because you are black, it’s because you are foreigners–strangers in a normal land.

    i grew up jewish in a jewish milieu–until i was in college it never occured to me i had almost nothing culturally in common with the non jews around me. christmas, easter, catholic school, drinking, sea isle city vacation trailers, the brady bunch–nada. when i realized it my reaction was oooo, right THEY are the majority–IVE been the fuckin’ weirdo all this time.

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  265. Bill Clinton chose Hillary for her ambition more than anything else. he realized that she would provide an amenable path for his ascension in politics.

    i’d assume that michelle obama was chosen for a similar reason.

    many a man’s career ambition has been thwarted by a wife competing for attention. given that *everything* involves tradeoffs, bill and obama had to give up something in the looks department for their wives’ endorsement of their ambition.

    i’ll say it here, michelle obama will develop political aspirations after obama leaves office, just like hillary.

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  266. @dana- allow me to repeat my question from yesterday’s nightmare thread. as someone who has studied historical civilization, and who evidently has a good INTJ head on her shoulders, can you recommend some good books/articles/materials from academic anthropology on the themes of the blog? especially, but not limited to, the idea of wide male networks being supported by monogamy as a sort of property right. that’s a perennial theme of a lot of the regulars here, as you no doubt know, and it would be great to see some studies or theories to back it up.

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  267. on July 8, 2009 at 6:06 pm Dave from Hawaii

    PS – did not post links so as not to get post caught up in moderation…

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  268. @ the board- Wasn’t Princess Di’s alleged beauty pushed downt the throats of people?

    @Mu(4:56pm)- thank you for that Mu. It means a lot to me, believe me it does.

    Anony on Jackie O I agree she was elegant and made the best of her natural appearance.

    agreed and that’s what really warmed people to Jackie O. I ‘ve seen this type of girl who could be a 6 blow pass an 8 once the initial wow over the 8’s looks wear off. Jackie O’s teeth weren’t very nice btw.
    Jaclyn Smith or Kate Jackson would blow Jackie O out of water in the looks department.

    Tood The immigration process is a 7-12 year process that is tortuous and maddening. That is why so many educated immigrants are opting to go to Australia or Canada rather than the US
    Then good riddance. We can’t afford to take care of the world right now.

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  269. Chic, you dumb broad:

    1) We are not british; we are American. Our first ladies are more in our face than some silly inbred across the pond.

    2) Princess Di was relevant, what, 10 years ago? Yeah, not so much today, like the Kilingon Dominatrix.

    get a clue, broad.

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  270. HBD are by definition obsessed with race, HOWEVER they are a tiny subset of white nerds–not all white people.

    I never said it was all white people. Seriously, tell me where I said that. I specifically only said HBD. Reading comprehension dana. Reading comprehension.

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  271. on July 8, 2009 at 6:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but dana do you think you could work your connections to get some sort of soylent green program going for people who come to the realization that they are not normal. What really is there for people to do about that other than suffer with it.

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  272. @S- IIRC Canadian banks don’t do 30 year mortgages nor do citizens receive tax incentives for carrying a mortgage. I wonder what the average down payment for a Canadian home is?

    Willard libby But BEFORE Obama’s African ancestor arrived. And before yours as well Yes I am a quarter African. I’ve never denied it only pointing out the hypocrisy in some people.

    Smartypants jones You are wrong about the Brits

    No I’m not wrong, the Khomeni is wrong. I was simply repeating what he said.

    There is little doubt that more Iranians have been tortured and died because the US provided no moral leadership in standing up to Iran’s brutality

    Smartypants, I didn’t argue this point. My point was we can’t afford to have our beef escalate with Iran into a full-blown war because of Iranian voter fraud.

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  273. on July 8, 2009 at 6:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    What if it is inborn traits that fuck with your head there needs to be a place to go for some mercy.

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  274. Askjoe,
    I’m not a Marylander, but as I recall, Steele’s was the first GOP Senatorial candidate in the state that did as well as he did against Ben Cardin he narrowly lost to Cardin. Keep in mind that Maryland is a decidedly blue state.

    Dana,
    I must ask, are you a sociologist or mental health professional? Just curious. At any rate, I don’t know if Black Americans are anymore “narcississtic” than anyone else in the country.

    O

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  275. Dana, i’m not antiwhite. I was just trying to explain why the race discussions get so heated here. I agree there’s a lot of racial narcissism by blacks, but i think there’s a lot of HBD people who suffer from the same racial narcissism except for whites. Then they end up arguing in circles and escalating each other’s anger. I wasn’t trying to defend one race at the expense of the other.

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  276. on July 8, 2009 at 6:13 pm SmartyJones

    @ chic noir: If you think Bush merely flapped his gums after Russia invaded Georgia, and overlooked Obama’s statement then you truly missed what flapping gums can be.

    Obama actually came out with a statement of moral equivalence as if they two had invaded each other simultaneously. Ironically it harkened back to the day of the leftists in the US making such statements about the US-Soviet Cold War.

    As we have only recently found out (since Obama’s records are kept in Al Gore’s lockbox) the Soviet position on nuclear missiles was shared by Obama at Columbia.

    He hasn’t changed at all. He’s still a Soviet dupe or a marxist weakling.

    And for the second time, silence on the Iranian people dying in the streets attempting to voice opposition to a totalitarian governments is not analogous to a “third war.”

    Is that your best defense of Obama’s green lighting the mullahs’ slaughter of Iranians in the streets?

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  277. “a lot of HBD people who suffer from the same racial narcissism except for whites”

    That’s true to an extent, but they also make no bones about Asians being smarter than whites.

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  278. Joe–

    the comment was about “blacks” you responded with “HBD are the same, nyah nyah, nah, nyah nyah”, twice. please tell to me specifically what you meant with that reply if not to make a direct comparison between whites and blacks? please explain it simply and clearly, as i obviously have a reading comprehension problem as you say.

    maurice, i’ll have to think how to respond–i don’t want to become a douchebag spamming attention whore.

    one thing was reading ethnographies of many tribes WITHOUT the glittering veil of Rousseauvian “nature” worship–as i read De Sade young and have always found nature vile

    i’ll get back with an answer

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  279. on July 8, 2009 at 6:18 pm SmartyJones

    @ Obsidian – actually I supported the Man of Steele in Maryland and thought he would win. Wanted him to win as it was obvious that the liberal monolith of black politicos were desperate to destroy him.

    Not sure where this narcissism of race nonsense came from but I agree with you on that one too. Narcissism is a problem of classes not races. There are definitely a lot of narcissists among lawyers, politicians and feminists.

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  280. S.

    Margaret Trudeau was a really pretty first lady:

    She also famously cheated on him a lot and pretty openly while he was still Prime Minister. He took big hits because of that I believe, in addition to personally.

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  281. joe –i wrote my last comment before reading your additional one. i understand your point more–pax

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  282. @Dave,
    Since the campaign days, Michelle has silenced herself. She makes no comments. She does this for the benefit of his administration. Most all of us would find that to be a huge sacrifice for spouse and country. She’s submissive to his needs.

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  283. Tood is right re high-level professional immigration. it’s our ace in the hole against european-style demograhic decline.

    No.

    No immigration, period, unless it helps restore America’s pre-1965 ethnic balance.

    There are plenty of American kids born everyday in Prolesville Ohio and Trailertown Arkansas who can grow up to be brilliant engineers, doctors, or whatever.

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  284. *sigh*

    lurker 1) We are not british; we are American. Our first ladies are more in our face than some silly inbred across the pond.

    No she was all over the news here as well. I can recall her passing, her beauty was talked about quite often. She was not the first lady but American media focuses on English royals more so than to the Dutch or Swedish royals.

    2) Princess Di was relevant, what, 10 years ago? Yeah, not so much today, like the Kilingon Dominatrix.

    You are so loony you can’t see the similarities you imbecile. So what she passed 10 years ago, did the media not force feed us stories about her beauty in the same way they do Michelle Obama.

    Your lack of control makes you look like an ubber beta. Stop snorting Ritilan and think for a moment. Your 18 hour word for word argument with a 17 year old female was low even for you. SMDH You spent 3/4 of an entire day on a tit for tat argument with someone online. Your time would of been beter spent out practing game or enjoying one of your hobbies(classical music).

    L/C

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  285. Regarding good looking presidents, Ronald Reagan, even in his old age, looked awesome.

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  286. on July 8, 2009 at 6:24 pm SmartyJones

    @ Willard Libby. Sarah Palin has taken more abuse than any VP candidate in my lifetime. She’s now a larger point of hatred than George Bush which would be a fascinating in and of itself.

    Your monkey comment is also flat out wrong.

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  287. @chic

    Canadian mortgages – as little as % down for first time home buyers…typically 10% minimum but you have to pay CMHC insurance, the best bet is a minimum 25% best down and you don’t have to pay the insurance fees. We do have 30 and even 40 year mortgages through some banks.

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  288. That’s true to an extent, but they also make no bones about Asians being smarter than whites.

    But they usually couple it with points about “nerd cliffs” making being too smart a bad thing. Or how too high an IQ makes Asian have low testosterone and the most unattractive race to women. Or do articles showing that Asian scientists despite their IQ can only do rote memorization but lack the creativity to properly implement innovation the way whites can.

    They admit blacks have more testosterone but make sure to point out that they’re not as smart and that all that testosterone makes them uberviolent.

    Whenever they admit another race is better in some area, there’s always a “but.” At the end of the day they always try to show they have the “Goldilocks IQ” and the “Goldilocks testosterone level”: not too high, not too low, “just right.” For every “prop” they give a nonwhite race, there’s an even bigger “takeaway.” But they then turn around and use these “compliments” they give Asians as proof they aren’t racial narcissists, conveniently leaving out the accompanying “takeaway” that always comes with the compliment.

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  289. @Dana,
    I’m with Obs on your awkward use of the term “narcissistic”. Many Blacks are defensive with chips on the shoulder, but not narcissistic in the pathologic sense.

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  290. on July 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Anony, you can drink the kool aid all you want, I don’t touch the stuff.

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  291. on July 8, 2009 at 6:25 pm SmartyJones

    correction – a “fascinating study…”

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  292. anony–

    I interpreted that comment [of Michelle’s] in the context of trying to appear like a normal family that does not worship Daddy.

    That it would be thought normal to not at all worship Daddy no matter what he’s accomplished is a good capsule illustration of part of what’s wrong with the feminist warped Angloshere.

    Including thought normal by you.

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  293. Regarding good looking presidents, Ronald Reagan, even in his old age, looked awesome.

    Ah, good one! How did I miss that!? Literally had movie star looks! Yeah, he was probably best looking 20th century prez I think.

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  294. If strong alpha means banging a lot of chicks and strong beta means solid provider, then I would much prefer our president be a strong beta.

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  295. @chic

    oooops missed the 0% down for first time home owners, although usually around 5%.

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  296. fair enough dana.

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  297. on July 8, 2009 at 6:28 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea joe Exactly and in the west no one gives a shit. In the east they have there families. At least I propose a realistic solution get rid of the western people they are a disease.

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  298. chic –

    I don’t remember being force-fed about Princess Di’s beauty in popular media at all?

    Especially not in the excess of M-Obama’s claimed beauty.

    I dunno, maybe I was living in a different america at the time.

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  299. Is Obama a Beta?

    The answer is here:
    http://ar2012.blogspot.com/2009/06/last-straw.html

    JFK was an alpha. We didn’t elect a black JFK.

    We elected a black Jimmy Carter.

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  300. on July 8, 2009 at 6:32 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Greg, in terms of politics, alpha is the leader of men. If he’s not the leader of his own household, he certainly is no leader of men.

    Nah, as I always thought, Barack Obeta is a puppet. A charismatic, photogenic, excellent-teleprompter reader puppet, but stil, justl a puppet.

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  301. “If strong alpha means banging a lot of chicks and strong beta means solid provider, then I would much prefer our president be a strong beta.”

    Being a strong alpha means being ABLE to bang a lot of chicks; it does not necessitate that he do so.

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  302. anony, joe smarty and obs

    i was perhaps to glib throwing around NPD colloquially to describe a whole culture’s value system

    let me instead offer steven dutch’s analysis of what he calls “the most toxic value system in the world”–he doesn’t address blacks in it, but i think it applies well–not only to blacks, but to the old time white southern shame culture they were steeped in upon arrival–as per thomas sowell’s “black rednecks, white liberals”

    http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/TOXICVAL.HTM

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  303. Joe–

    You’re right but in fairness HBD people are the same way. [narcissistic]

    Who are these people you’re talking about? Certainly that doesn’t remotely describe Steve Sailer. Nor the folks at GNXP. All these people have wide ranging concerns and nuanced views that are close to, and shift with, the evidence.

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  304. on July 8, 2009 at 6:35 pm SmartyJones

    Guns – you’re better than that. I’m with thee Obsidian 100%. He conveyed humanity and you are coming back with disparaging rubbish.

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  305. Travis, Limbaugh had a good line in that we elected the first black Clinton.

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  306. No one here has really made note that the Russian economy is entirely dependent on oil prices and goes through frequent boom and bust cycles. Unlike China or India, their economy isn’t diverse enough to eventually overtake the United States.

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  307. on July 8, 2009 at 6:41 pm SmartyJones

    @ dana – scanned your long link but it strikes me that you’ve applied it to your NPD theorem in a completely unacceptable way.

    The focus of the link is how the US has avoided “thar” or advanced its development by its emphasis on the strength of the individual. It further suggests that Western Europe has benefitted although clearly that has changed post WWII.

    You mention Thomas Sowell as well but you’ll have to further explain this. There is no greater American today than Thomas Sowell. He is an amazing author and just released a book on the mortgage-housing crisis. I’ve read the first part of it. It should be required reading in classes everywhere.

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  308. If strong alpha means banging a lot of chicks and strong beta means solid provider, then I would much prefer our president be a strong beta

    this is exactly why i consider obama to be a high-achieving beta and not an alpha. the mentality that greg has is growing, and we may well see a lot more obama’s in the white house.

    personally, i don’t want the government acting as my providing. i want the government enforcing the laws, protecting private property, and keeping the country from falling into chaos. i can provide for myself.

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  309. Thomas Sowell is the most important thinker of the latter half of the 20th and early part of the 21st century, imho.

    read his black rednecks, white liberals essay to get at the aspects of Thar culture in blacks i’m trying to reach with my notion that black cultural values approximate in an group what NPD is in an individual.

    specifically the extremely fragile black self image that appears to be wholly defined EXTERNALLY–how one not only appears in the eyes of others but HOW those others reflect ones high self regard back to oneself like a mirror, like the hyperopposite of an Aspy intj’s wholly introverted high self regard that he builds by mastering systems, hobbies and ideas to his own satisfaction irrespective of whether or not any other human ever lays eyes on his accomplishments. this aspy trait is in keeping with thar’s opposite, the “guilt” culture of primarily white europeans.

    the worry about being “dissed” is thar, as is the requirement it lead to a physical altercation, the ganglang tribalism of blacks is thar. they do lack the subjugation of women aspect–true.

    i’m trying not to write a million 1000 word posts, so i’ll probably never get my point across

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  310. on July 8, 2009 at 7:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Naa applying equal oppotunity aa to everyone. It is the right thing to do.

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  311. Nah, Medvedev is looking pissed because he doesn’t like being patronized. I interpret his reaction as being pretty much like Putin’s to Michael Dell’s question how Dell could be of help to Russia. Putin snapped at him saying something to the effect that Russians are not retards. Medvedev’s reaction is only more subtle.

    Russia’s superpower ego was deeply wounded by being crushed in the Cold War. The current crop of Russian leaders is very sensitive to any signs of Russia not being taken completely seriously. You can rest assured that Obama is not feeling any kind of inferiority toward the Russians. Medvedev was taken aback by Obama’s trying hard to be friendly because that’s not how the Russians see the West enroaching on their natural sphere of influence from every direction.

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  312. Dana,
    You’ve made a number of provocative statements that I want to respond, but first please clarify what you mean when you say African Americans are “foreign” and have “seperate values”? Thanks.

    O

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  313. @ dana:

    what’s wrong? did a black guy steal your wallet or something?

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  314. chic, you dumb bitch:

    thank you for making my point.

    we were force fed ideas baout her beauty–just not to the extent this man-beast is fed down our throats, due to our country; in Britain, Diana was their version of Michelle. Luckily, we have an expiration date on her: when her husband leaves office. Unless she annoys us like Jackie did….

    And had the internet been as robust then, this convo would have broken out then, too. Diana was ugly, no question; but who is relevant now, you dumb cumwhore?

    Heck, I brought this up before, if you remember in your defense of that silly slut.

    In a word you apologetic slut, you FAIL.

    Michelle Obama is an ugly troll. As are you. As is O.

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  315. on July 8, 2009 at 7:17 pm Willard Libby

    A.J. Travis – Is Obama a Beta?

    The answer is here:
    http://ar2012.blogspot.com/2009/06/last-straw.html

    JFK was an alpha. We didn’t elect a black JFK.

    We elected a black Jimmy Carter.

    Alpha presidents might be dangerously overrated. We really don’t need a swaggering alpha as president. The president has too much power as it is institutionally.

    We just got done with an arrogant alpha wannabee in GW Bush.

    One of the most alpha presidents we’ve had might be George Washington. But your average alpha is not going to be George Washington he’s gonna be Lyndon Fuckin Johnson and look at the mess he created.

    anony – @Dana,
    I’m with Obs on your awkward use of the term “narcissistic”. Many Blacks are defensive with chips on the shoulder, but not narcissistic in the pathologic sense.

    It’s called “wounded narcissism”. Wounded racial narcissism is at the soul of black America.

    That’s what’s behind Michelle’s “I’m finally proud to be American” paraphrased quote.

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  316. @ willard:

    It’s called “wounded narcissism”. Wounded racial narcissism is at the soul of black America.

    it’s funny you say that, cause ‘wounded racial narcissism’ is kind of what i get when i read your comments. you know, all that whining about how tough it is to be a white male. sometimes, i almost feel a little bad for you, bud.

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  317. — it’s funny you say that, cause ‘wounded racial narcissism’ is kind of what i get when i read your comments.

    No way! agree or disagree with him, Willard is funny as hell.

    — you know, all that whining about how tough it is to be a white male.

    I don’t recall him ever writing anything sulky or plaintive.

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  318. Obsidian, iremember–the comment was specifically addressed to you saying blacks felt “excluded”.

    i apply the same label to any minority in the US that keeps a separate cultural identity that is so distinct from the majority US that it feels “alienated” or “excluded”. blacks have a wholly separate cultural identity in the US from that of majority whites. they have churches, politics, movies and literature of their own. they have their own music and their own patois. when i show houses in cheltenham black people have their own art that features exclusively blacks hanging on the wall. if you want to know what im talking about go take a look at some open houses in wyncote on a sunday afternoon. i grew up in overbrook farms near wynnfield heights, by that you should know i am not only not a stranger to blacks, but to middle/professional class blacks in particular.

    there are whites that do this too, specifically very ethnocentric irish and italians whole cling strongly to their homeland’s culture. they are also foreigners, no matter how many generations they bear here.

    my own ethne excels at this and was the first to demand the majority bend itself to accomodate us.

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  319. No way! agree or disagree with him, Willard is funny as hell.

    you’ve got an interesting sense of humor then. i came any number of comedians, black and white, who make funny, non-PC racial observations, and i don’t see willard with his own HBO special anytime soon.

    I don’t recall him ever writing anything sulky or plaintive.

    sometimes anger is sulk by another name

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  320. Im quite familiar w/Sowell and have read his book that Dana mentions when it first came out, he makes some very good points but also doesn’t address others. For example, he points out that the Paul Lawrence Dunbar school was educating Black kids quite well in Washington DC prior to Brown v Board came down, but doesn’t really grapple w/the fundamental question: is it right to have de facto segregation, yes or no, in public schools, accomodations etc? He doesn’t actually take up that question.

    And that basically is the problem I have w/Sowell-he makes very good arguments and points, but he curiously bypasses anything that would fundamentally make his White benefactors uncomfortable, as much as he seems to enjoy making Black thinkers on the Left uncomfortable. He needs to decide whether he wants to really be about the truth no matter where it leads and be his own Man, or, whether he wants instead to a kind of “company man” for the (White) Right.

    But yes, his Black Rednecks, White Liberals, read w/a critical eye, is a good and interesting read.

    O

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  321. dana –

    I have to ask, do you think there is any ‘culture’ (or traditions) in current middle class white america?i’ve always felt its just so homogenized and lacking of any sort of tradition or ‘culture’ …

    perhaps minorities keep their culture instead of abandoning it?

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  322. oh, and i had an idea for everyone–there is a nearly vacant yahoo games lobby with an unmoderated chat room:

    http://games.yahoo.com/games/ante?room=literati_adv&prof_id=chat_pf_1&nosignedcab=yes

    you have to be signed into yahoo with a yahoo screenname to enter–why not carry on some of these convos in real time?

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  323. No way! agree or disagree with him, Willard is funny as hell.
    ….

    I don’t recall him ever writing anything sulky or plaintive.

    These two statements just blew my mind. Just…wow.

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  324. Don’t forget the black america was very, very wary of Obama until Bill Clinton’s foolishness in the SC primary.

    I’d argue that Black America was reluctant in general primarily because they presumed that Obama had no chance. A black guy with a foreign first name, a middle name that was the last name of a former enemy of this country, and a last name that rhymes with Osama seemed like a poor bet. Given the choices at the time for those of us in the DNC, I didn’t want the Wellesley Queen with god knows how much baggage from the 90s for Republican spin doctors, and John Edwards reeked of loser and could easily inflame doctors into voting Republican given his history as a malpractice lawyer.

    But Swedes and Dutch are taught “tolerance” and they are the ones who get beaten up IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES and their won women get raped because of the color of their skin.

    But Swedes and Dutchmen are superior whites who don’t use the violence endemic to the inferior races. As I stated before, it’s bizzarro white nationalism…

    some would argue barack got the best deal he could at the time he met michelle, because he was a beta back then, but i disagree.

    Presuming that he wanted a black wife for philosophical reasons, given the smaller number of high IQ blacks in the professional world, Obama didn’t have much choice, especially back in the 1980s unless he decided to go marry a white girl.* For all we know, even with game, Michelle may have simply been the best option available for him at the time for a long-term relationship.

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  325. Maurice–white americans from founding stock have a distinct culture with food, norms, taboos, arts and crafts, decor styles, traditional clothing–everything every other culture on earth had. look at the south, look at appalachia, look at new england–all founding stock white ethnics of various class and ethnic derivation with distinct cultures and accents we all recognize

    it was the “stifling suburban nightmare” culture the children of jewish, italians and blacks ostensibly loathed in the 50s. it’s probably YOUR culture as well and white never realize they are so steeped in it i imagine they don’t feel it anymore than a fish feels woater.

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  326. It’s called “wounded narcissism”. Wounded racial narcissism is at the soul of black America.

    Agreed. It’s also what’s at the soul of you and your HBD brethren. That’s why you bash heads against each other so much. You’re too alike.

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  327. on July 8, 2009 at 7:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea it is extremely tough to be smart enough to know you don’t want to be here but dumb enough to believe in god.

    But beyond that the west must be stopped from furthering its evil infestation.

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  328. Third World Immigration is the problem?

    Perhaps you should take a closer look at the “minority” personnel of the more important, and economically significant companies that maintain U.S. supremacy in the world economy (ie. Intel, Microsoft, Defense Companies, NASA, Goldman Sachs et. al.).

    It’s easy to take a strike at the 7-Elevens, K-Marts, or whatever else is visible to the everyday public. That’s not nearly as important as who is doing the work behind the scenes.

    For someone who is in the DC loop, you should know better. Then again, you might not be that deep into the DC loop.

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  329. on July 8, 2009 at 7:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    Foreign guys look at our woman and our like our you freakin serious. Like with there laws the woman not worth it. Then I explain to them about the divorce laws. lol

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  330. @ dana:

    you’re right about black people having a separate and distinct cultre, but two things:

    1 – too simply state that tells us nothing about the how and the why that is and came to be. basically, you made an introduction, but the most interesting points come in the following chapters.

    2 – you don’t acknowledge that there is a very large black middle class that walks, talks, and acts very much like everybody else. black culture is not wholly composed of ghetto culture.

    ps – Joe, you make the point i’ve been making forever: the PC multiculturalists and the race realists don’t have many legit ideological differences; they’re just fighting over power.

    “white people contributed more… no, black people contributed more… black people commit more crime… white people are slave owners and bigots… blah blah blah”

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  331. Dana,
    Although your answer is somewhat meandering despite your claims of an intimate exposure to Black culture and so on, OK fair enough I’ll accept your reply.

    Having said that then, its interesting that one of Conservatism’s best known names, Pat Buchanan, would roundly disagree with you.

    He would argue that African Americans share the same cultural norms, religion and other key things along w/White Americans. And have for most of this country’s history. Today the majority of African Americans are Christian, mostly Baptist, AME, or Catholic, w/a small but sizable Muslim minority (the majority of Muslims in the USA aren’t Arabs, they’re African Americans).

    Although I know exactly what you were saying wrt “go back to Africa”, I must say to you Dana, that NO we, and certainly I, will not be going back to Africa. Why?

    Simple-because this is my home, my country, and I have every right, in fact I would say more of a right, than many of the Whites reading this, right now. Maybe including you, which, if true, I would then suggest that you return to one of the Ashkenazi countries or Israel.

    African Americans have paid more of a price to be Americans than anyone else; we fought, and marched, and protested, and prayed and literally built much of the country w/our bare hands. We built the White House. We built Wall Street. And we built so many other buildings and structures in this society, as well as providing the economic basis that would go on to play a role in the USA being the greatest economic power the world has ever seen.

    You say we are “foreign” I say we are in every way American-we are innovators and creators, especially in the artistic and creative areas. Say what you will of it but Hip Hop, like Jazz and Rock, R&B and Blues, and Country, are all musical artforms started by Blacks, and are now worldwide in appreciation. The recent passing of Michael Jackson just goes to show how much America shaped African Americans and vice versa, and our impact on the world.

    And the same thing can be said for Oprah, Michael Jordan, Bill Cosby, and Wynton Marsalis. Just to name a few.

    So no, Dana, I won’t be going anywhere, and now that African Americans can look at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave w/renewed sense of pride, reflected in voter turnout never seen before in American history, I don’t think many Black folk will packing their bags anytime soon either.

    The Obsidian

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  332. @gunslingergregi and anyone else interested in divorce law

    This Act was passed in British Parliament in 1770

    All women, of whatever age, rank, profession or degree ,:”who shall after this Act, impose upon, seduce, and betray into marriage any of His Majesty’s subjects by virtue of scents,paints, cosmetic washes, artificial teeth or false hair, iron stays, bolstered hips, or high-heeled shoes, shall incur thepenalty of the law now in force against witchcraft and like misdemeanours; and marriage under such circumstances, upon conviction of the offending parties, shall be null and void.

    I am thinking you might want to work on that again for current times huh? 🙂

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  333. No immigration, period, unless it helps restore America’s pre-1965 ethnic balance.

    Which implies something is wrong with those who changed the balance…

    …to me Obama is a sell out.

    Ahh, the things you do to get the high speed rail and trains built in your country… 😛

    That’s the feature that my mother found bothersome about Obama. Not so much his politics as my mom is a loyal DNC voter, but the fact that he wrote off his white ancestry and adopted this “African-American” identity when it’s foreign to him* and not really authentic given his Kenyan ancestry. Hell, even I found his choice of church rather bothersome, and I understand the feelings of some of the posters in the race realist world over that fact. It’s rather weird that you’d associate with a such a church for such a long period of time**, and not sympathize with some of their positions, especially given the stuff that Wright was preaching.

    *My mom has nothing but contempt for Afrocentric types, especially for the Haitian ones who she feels are sellouts…
    **Admittedly, I’m pro-choice and masturbation, yet I still go to Catholic Church every Sunday.

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  334. Almost anyone who is famous among women is able to bang a lot of women if they wanted to. Including the hot ones.

    So obviously obama and any other president fits that definition of “super alpha” male. I am talking about his actual tendencies and desires.

    If alpha = playboy mentality, and beta = husband mentality, then I would rather the president be a beta. More solid, less opportunity for embarrassment, can put all his energy into actual affairs of the country and the world.

    Example: the clinton “fiasco” didn’t really help matters.

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  335. Dave Alex,
    You’ve spoken about your mom’s views on Obama previously, but never answered whether she takes issue w/the fact that he doesn’t mention his White mom, or that he identifies w/being Black. Please clarify, and if the latter, why does she seem to have such bitter self hatred, as clearly, she’s Black?

    Thanks.

    O

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  336. on July 8, 2009 at 8:07 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””aoefe
    @gunslingergregi and anyone else interested in divorce law

    This Act was passed in British Parliament in 1770

    All women, of whatever age, rank, profession or degree ,:”who shall after this Act, impose upon, seduce, and betray into marriage any of His Majesty’s subjects by virtue of scents,paints, cosmetic washes, artificial teeth or false hair, iron stays, bolstered hips, or high-heeled shoes, shall incur thepenalty of the law now in force against witchcraft and like misdemeanours; and marriage under such circumstances, upon conviction of the offending parties, shall be null and void.

    I am thinking you might want to work on that again for current times huh? ”””””””””””””””””””

    So they burned em at stake for make up huh

    No wait just a misdemeaner nm

    Good idea lol

    Really though I can’t think of any other way of stopping the spread of this shit. By that I mean current divorce laws. Looking at that apparently times do change this is two hundred years later and now reversed except in 1770 it was misdemeaner now when guy get married and there is a problem it is pretty much a felony.

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  337. but never answered whether she takes issue w/the fact that he doesn’t mention his White mom, or that he identifies w/being Black

    In her case, both are a problem. Due to his upbringing, she sees him as a white guy with a dark face, and thus doesn’t understand wby African-American culture would be so compelling to him. She doesn’t see why he’d basically write off his grandparents and his white heritage and immerse himself in a black culture that isn’t that of his father’s.

    if the latter, why does she seem to have such bitter self hatred, as clearly, she’s Black?

    I suspect her views are influenced from what she learned from her mother who learned her views from her older sister and her parents…

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  338. on July 8, 2009 at 8:14 pm Willard Libby

    Lance @ willard: it’s funny you say that, cause ‘wounded racial narcissism’ is kind of what i get when i read your comments. you know, all that whining about how tough it is to be a white male. sometimes,

    You haven’t read my comments because I have NEVER whined about being a White man or whined about life being tough at all or whined about women hating betas.

    I just tore your precious ass up with a few of my comments and you’ve been traumatized ever since. Now you associate me with every other White men who bothers you. Including commentators whose style is completely different from mine.

    i almost feel a little bad for you, bud.

    Feel bad for yourself. You are the racially castrated White boy liberal who got punked out by White feminism so you became some sort of libertarian as a kind of temper tantrum against women.

    You’re the one with the chip on your shoulder about feminism and women, you have that in common with the various more right wing, anti-feminist White men on here that you hate.

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  339. These two statements just blew my mind. Just…wow.

    WTF? are you a woman, Joe? only bitches talk like this. Is your head tilted to he side and your arms akimbo?

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  340. You are the racially castrated White boy liberal who got punked out by White feminism so you became some sort of libertarian as a kind of temper tantrum against women.

    so, i’m a white liberal who’s afraid of women? interesting… you should be some sort of detective.

    by the way, just what does ‘racially castrated’ mean? it sounds painful

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  341. Dave Alex
    It seemed pretty clear to me how Obama felt about his White grandparents when he spoke about both of them at length during the campaign and since, moreover, we know virtually nothing about his father’s parents. Is your mom concerned about this as well? That Obama should give equal time to both? Or is it that she’s really bothered by Obama’s not playing up his White side enough?

    Dave, is your mom one of the more lighter skinned Haitians? I haven’t met many personally but I here they’re really a piece of work.

    O

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  342. I haven’t read all the posts, but I have to say that when a black says “we” are not monolithic in our points of view, I just roll my eyes.

    When about 98% of blacks vote for the black candidate, I think that is monolithic. Hitler called that thinking with your blood.

    This country is finished in its present form. What comes next, who knows? When Washington D.C. stops sending out checks , eg. California, then the Union could splinter. How many of you would fight to keep some state from seceding?

    Anyway, this is Roissy’s blog. If you hate what he says, you don’t have to spend your time here. Start you own blog.

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  343. Joe

    If you just go by Obama, I’d say he could arguably be the most handsome President we’ve ever had, at least since the photograph was invented.

    Am I the only one who thinks Obama looks like a black Alfred E. Newman?

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  344. Joel,
    I don’t agree w/the implication you’re making.

    African Americans have long voted for White candidates, much more than the other way around. The vote for Obama was historic, a *racial* vote, yes, but not a *racist* vote. There’s a huge difference.

    Again, you White guys should stop being so thin skinned.

    O

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  345. on July 8, 2009 at 8:45 pm SmartyJones

    @ Dana, thee Obsidian

    Dana – your link is perhaps better applied to gang culture where “dissing” as you put it is the ultimate in a semi-declaration of war.

    O – not sure why you criticize Sowell re: his “benefactors” which I find somewhat offensive. The guy is one of the scholars of our day and a resident at Stanford.

    You should read a little about his latest work on the mortgage crisis.

    As for the chat room, not a bad idea. I would meet you guys over there sometime.

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  346. on July 8, 2009 at 8:46 pm SmartyJones

    Welmer, I don’t care what any politician looks like. I care greatly when they try to “remake” America into Amerika.

    Ya hear me?

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  347. WTF? are you a woman, Joe? only bitches talk like this. Is your head tilted to he side and your arms akimbo?

    Why is it “womanly” to be shocked at your assessment? It wasn’t a personal insult to you, I just don’t see how you can’t see Libby has a chip on his shoulder after seeing all the race arguments he gets into with Obsidian. That’s all.

    I just searched for 5 minutes and here’s what I found without much effort.

    Even when it’s not about race this is a guy who says things like

    “I’m a right wing, nature loving, people despising loner”

    “I’ve never gone out with any guys on a Friday night or any night. I don’t hang out with guys. I don’t drink. I’m not into male bonding at all..”

    It was in this thread: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/the-self-made-beta/

    His wounded narcissism:

    “Yes, White women and the black males they lovingly support and identify with should continue to be allied in their fight against The White Man.

    My argument with many of the guys on here is they shouldn’t expect anything less.

    White men should NEVER look for White women to be their allies, especially when black men, feminism and politics are involved.”

    or

    “Average White men made up the vast majority of factory workers, coal miners, and solders who died in our wars.

    They were chewed up, worn out, got no recognition and were paid in peanuts for their efforts.”

    or

    “I admit I don’t give a shit about the massive array of black women’s health problems. But a “super nigger” like you should.

    Instead, AS USUAL, you are more likely to obsess on the White women you crave and the White men you fear and envy. Your women are decaying and dying, White women are wrinkling. We all notice which situation gets your attention.

    400 years of being the White man’s bitch has left an indelible mark on your fragile black male psyche.

    And as I said black females on average are significantly less attractive than White or Asian women for genetic reasons so like ugly women of all races the effects of aging on merely their looks is less generally noticeable.

    Black women tend to start off looking like shit and maintain that look as they age.

    That’s the painful truth of it.

    You’ve been proven wrong repeatedly. You are too stupid and psychologically insecure to deal with it. That’s your problem.”

    From this thread:
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/a-test-of-your-game-the-judging-4/

    And these aren’t isolated cases. That’s why I don’t get that you say he’s “funny as hell” or that you “never saw him write anything sulky or plaintive.”

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  348. Am I the only one who thinks Obama looks like a black Alfred E. Newman?

    No, I can definitely see it. Strangely enough, Bush kind of looked like him too, minus the ears. Yet Bush and Obama look nothing like each other.

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  349. I am afraid that Obama and by extension his whole administration is getting onto some very thin ice. Virtually all of his foreign policy gestures have been in sync with that deep, obsequious bow that he made to an absolute Arabian Monarch. There is still a widespread sense of giving him the benefit of the doubt as to his manhood even as the troubling episodes pile up. But consider what would happen if he one day made a weak, confused response to a terrorist attack or did a back-down in the face of bullying threats from Chavez or N. Korea? He has no cushion left. He has already lost massive amounts of face in the way he is judged subconsciously. A big, public humiliation would hit him as if he were defenseless. All of peoples worst, as yet unconfirmed, fears about him would suddenly and irrevocably be realized – in a way all out of porportion to the humiliation itself.
    That is very dangerous.

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  350. Again, you White guys should stop being so thin skinned.

    Wow. Whats with that comment?

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  351. chicpea wrote :

    “Then good riddance. We can’t afford to take care of the world right now”

    That is pretty darn arrogant, given that your lineage comes from a part of the world so incredibly synonymous with poverty (East Africa).

    It is not ‘taking care of the world’, you airhead. I am talking about the most impressive brainpower the world has to offer.

    Sure, by letting in Andy Grove, Sergei Brin, and Elon Musk, we are ‘taking care of the world’. But you probably don’t know who these people are.

    More proof how voting rights in the hands of unmarried women = the death of a prosperous society.

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  352. on July 8, 2009 at 9:20 pm GNPs are for Apes

    What you do instead Obsidian in the name of trying to understand differences and the guise of sometimes trying to help white betas, is work endlessly, and very smoothly, to undermine the sexual and woman attracting confidence of beta white men, or whatever confidence or hope they are gaining here, and suggest that really it’s probably hopeless, for in born HBD reasons. Oh, there is a beta here you are genuinely trying to help: David Alexander. Who’s just happens to be black.

    I agree here. That is why DA is a major threat to Obsidian. Obsidian is heavily invested in his smoke and mirror act of black male Game superiority. David Alexander is a direct and huge threat to this, which is why Obsidian desperately wants DA to a) learn Game, and b) stop admitting that most black women are obese, and that black men like them because they resemble the biggest creatures of Africa (elephant, hippo, rhino) in size, shape, color, and texture.

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  353. obsidian

    i love american majority culture and do not feel excluded or estranged from it because its not mine. i do not want white christians to stop being such for me and i am eternally greatful to the US for the opportunity i had because my grandparents. i don’t care if there’s ever a jewish president.

    if the day comes i DO feel excluded and like the country should change to accomodate jews more i will be on a plane to israel so fast your head will spin.

    that’s why liberals and blacks are miserable and angry–they stay somewhere they hate and try to change it against the collective will of the others instead of seceding or striking out for new horizons.

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  354. I don’t really see anything wrong with Obama seeking approval. If all world leaders followed “alpha” rules we’d probably be on our 20th world war by now, if there was anyone still alive.

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  355. Dana, if you are indeed an anthropologist you need to conduct more research on your subjects. The vast majority of Black folk don’t have an axe to grind w/Whites, and to back up what I just said, please see Inductivist, the Mar 2008 archive where he talks about surveys taken among Black Chicagoans in the wake of the Rev Jerimiah Wright scandal.

    And again, most Black folk are Christians and like Christmas just fine. Do you celebrate it?

    O

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  356. WTF? are you a woman, Joe? only bitches talk like this. Is your head tilted to he side and your arms akimbo

    Hey, don’t mock arms akimbo! Superman and Charles Atlas rock that stance, it’s a classic. Anyway, I got caught in comment moderation so I’ll try again.

    Why is what I said “womanly?” It wasn’t a personal insult to you, I just don’t see how you can’t see Libby has a chip on his shoulder after seeing all the race arguments he gets into with Obsidian. Especially since you’re a frequent reader. It’s not like it’s a rare occasion he posts negative stuff.

    I just searched for 5 minutes and here’s what I found without much effort

    I’m a right wing, nature loving, people despising loner

    I’ve never gone out with any guys on a Friday night or any night. I don’t hang out with guys. I don’t drink. I’m not into male bonding at all..

    That’s from last Self-Made Beta thread.

    Examples of his wounded racial narcissism:

    Yes, White women and the black males they lovingly support and identify with should continue to be allied in their fight against The White Man.

    My argument with many of the guys on here is they shouldn’t expect anything less.

    White men should NEVER look for White women to be their allies, especially when black men, feminism and politics are involved.

    or

    Average White men made up the vast majority of factory workers, coal miners, and solders who died in our wars.

    They were chewed up, worn out, got no recognition and were paid in peanuts for their efforts.

    or

    I admit I don’t give a shit about the massive array of black women’s health problems. But a “super nigger” like you should.

    Instead, AS USUAL, you are more likely to obsess on the White women you crave and the White men you fear and envy. Your women are decaying and dying, White women are wrinkling. We all notice which situation gets your attention.

    400 years of being the White man’s bitch has left an indelible mark on your fragile black male psyche.

    And as I said black females on average are significantly less attractive than White or Asian women for genetic reasons so like ugly women of all races the effects of aging on merely their looks is less generally noticeable.

    Black women tend to start off looking like shit and maintain that look as they age.

    That’s the painful truth of it.

    You’ve been proven wrong repeatedly. You are too stupid and psychologically insecure to deal with it. That’s your problem.

    That’s from the last test of your game judging thread. And these aren’t isolated cases. That’s why I don’t get that you say he’s “funny as hell” or that you “never saw him write anything sulky or plaintive.”

    That’s all I was saying bro. No need to get offended.

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  357. tood It is not ‘taking care of the world’, you airhead. I am talking about the most impressive brainpower the world has to offer

    it’s called a brain drain. If you think the third world has problems, wait until we take all of their best educated. Furthermore, we don’t have it to give. Americans must take care of Americans first.

    That is pretty darn arrogant
    BTW, you are correct, that was a bit arrogant and I apologize. There were other things on my mind at the time.

    That is pretty darn arrogant, given that your lineage comes from a part of the world so incredibly synonymous with poverty (East Africa).

    The same thing applies to my people too. We can’t bring all of them here. We don’t have the money or resources to do so. I don’t have a problem with immigration per say, but when American students take out debt to study computer science and can’t get a job, I have an issue with that.
    FYI, I am a 1/4 East African and ¾ African-American.

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  358. “The vast majority of Black folk don’t have an axe to grind w/Whites”

    ahhahahahahha ahhahahah

    ahahahha ahahahhah ahahhahahahhhhhhhh

    *thud*

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  359. R,

    How about adding a section at the top of the blog for questions about game only, any nongame comments are automatically deleted regardless of their insight . I noticed Dr. Grslickson & Virginia Gentleman had questions about game today. I think their questions were passed over because of the volume of comments.

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  360. Obsidian, you’re never going to change anyone’s mind here. If someone spent 20 or 30 years becoming HBD you’re not gonna change them in one comments section. All it’s going to do is make yourself angrier and angrier with each thread. You, Libby, GNP, it just goes in circles and never ends. Someone’s gotta be the bigger man and let it go at some point.

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  361. Dana,
    Are you an academic or not? I gave you a readily accessible source to backup my assertions. Check it out.

    If not, the joke’s on you.

    O

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  362. Why is what I said “womanly?”

    The “point-and-sputter” nature of your response. The implied shaming language. Be a man, call me racist scum-by-association, tell me what was so vile about my approval of Willard’s humor, but don’t just stand there and get vapours.

    But I forgive you. Bygones.

    Regardless of whether you think Willard is right or wrong, he says some hillarious shit. Though I have to admit that I confuse him with GNP/Apes, who is also a jokester. I forget which one managed to get me to laugh out loud a couple of times.

    However, if there is comic genius on this blog, it’s neither of those guys. It’s Tupac.

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  363. But I forgive you. Bygones.

    Forgive me? I didn’t do anything wrong. I wasn’t calling you a racist. I wasn’t using shaming language. It was sincere shock. To me it would be like a regular commenter saying he never saw DA use self-deprecating language. Calling me “womanly,” and teling me to “be a man,” THAT’s shaming language bro!

    And yeah, Tupac is pretty funny.

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  364. And honestly, I don’t care if Willard is right or wrong or Obsidian is right or wrong at this point. I just don’t wanna read hundreds of comments from either of them on this topic anymore. It doesn’t go anywhere.

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  365. hillary wasn’t ugly when bill met her as a co-ed. but she aged right into ugliness.

    Dude….

    Hillary at Wellesley = BEAST
    Hillary at Yale = BEAST
    Hillary in the mid-1970s = BEAST
    Hillary in Little Rock, 1979 = BEAST

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  366. If I may gentlemen (PA & Joe), I must say that I don’t share PA’s sense of humor, and I thank Joe for his cursory quoting Willard’s remarks.

    Moreover, I wonder if we can find as many remarks by Willard addressing Game and how to get better at it? Or when was the last time he went out w/a young lady? Or got laid? Or did something, anything, w/a Woman?

    The suggestion by some that Willard and I are somehow on the same plane because we both talk about race is not only absurd but in some ways pernicious. A quick compare and contrast between my comments and his swiftly tells the story.

    Oh, and Joe, you forgot my fave Willie quote:

    How White guys “invented” electricity. LOL!!!

    I suppose they also invented oil along w/the combustion engine, right. 😉

    O

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  367. We’re cool Joe. At first I thought your attitude was hostile. I take back calling you a woman.

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  368. The chorus of this song is how I feel about the whole Libby, GNP, Obsidian thing:

    I don’t even care who’s right or wrong anymore. Enough already. Can we just talk about game?

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  369. We’re cool PA. I have to keep in mind tone doesn’t always come over good in text form.

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  370. Joe,
    W/all due respect, I don’t think you have understand my aim and goal.

    Which isn’t to win hearts and minds so much as to present a mirrorlike counterpoint to the arguments floated by some here. And I will engage the targets of my designation at my time and choosing.

    O

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  371. Or is it that she’s really bothered by Obama’s not playing up his White side enough?

    I think one thing that ate away at my mom was the fact that he called himself a black man instead of a bi-racial man. The choice of words for her is a sign of his rejection of his white ancestry. Plus, I suspect her perspective as a long-term Caribbean immigrant, she’s puzzled at why somebody would want to adopt African-American culture when they’re not really a member of that society.

    Dave, is your mom one of the more lighter skinned Haitians? I haven’t met many personally but I here they’re really a piece of work.

    On the colour spectrum, my is reddish brown like me, so due to the fact her town had a sizable number of light-skinned Haitians, she grew up feeling like she was dark skinned, while everybody else thought she was dark-skinned. My grandmother’s social ranking due to her older sister’s marriage to a mulatto judge allowed her to punch above her rate since she was sent to elite private schools by her sister. The exposure to that world lead my godmother’s sister to refer to her as a “mulatto with dark skin”.

    As a side point, a sizable number of the light-skinned Haitians were chased out of her home town during the early 1960s due to the repressive of Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier who basically blamed an aborted coup attempt on him by some mulattos on all mulattos. My grandmother and great aunts grew up in environment where they were basically told to marry light-skinned men because they’re the only ones with money,

    I haven’t met many personally but I here they’re really a piece of work.

    My former mistress’s father noted that Haitians were what happened when you take the worst features of black people and Frenchmen and put them in the same group of people…

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  372. on July 8, 2009 at 10:06 pm Gunslingergregi

    Joe on some poignant stuff from Willard. I thought interesting commentary because basically every time a white guy gets shot by some anon black guy. What is going through the mind of one of his buddies is should I just kill a bunch of them. You can see where some tension might really come from.

    ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””Willard Libby
    Obsidian – Oh Willie, me and the Brothas are shakin’ in our boots, in fear of what yall gonna do to General Grrpower. I’ll tell yo what, let’s skip her, since so many of you White boys scapegoat so much anyway, and bring it on and try and make us “go back”.

    That’s not my agenda, that’s your paranoia.

    You seem to be having quite a bit of difficulty comprehending what I actually wrote in my above posts about White racial Alpha dominance and it’s necessary connection to BOTH dominance over White women and deadly violence and oppression directed toward non-White races.

    Can’t have one without the other so stop pretending you want to encourage it as an answer to SWPL faggotry or “General Grrrpower”.’
    ””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

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  373. “Dude….

    Hillary at Wellesley = BEAST
    Hillary at Yale = BEAST
    Hillary in the mid-1970s = BEAST
    Hillary in Little Rock, 1979 = BEAST

    @tarl —

    Yep, I agree. Her HS portrait was fair enough, but boy the Wellesley and law school shots are just … ugh.

    Bill fell in love with her mind, not her body (look at the women he likes to bang … T&A all the way, and not like Hillary in the least). He made the mistake of many very smart men of falling in love with a woman for her mind. Even though the culture applauds that, in reality, all that leads to is a lot of philandering — as we see with Bill.

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  374. on July 8, 2009 at 10:09 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh look thank god we are all now friends now what to do about divorce bullshit so you sorry bastards in the states don’t become worse than on the plantation. That is white asian black hispanic indian rainbow coalition men. All basically back in slavery times. That is the crisis. Except it is being passed to the whole world.

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  375. He made the mistake of many very smart men of falling in love with a woman for her mind.

    I’ll take the bait and ask the follow up question. If men aren’t supposed to fall in love with her for her mind, then what are we supposed to use? Falling in love with her body is pointless given that it will age (terribly) and become boring, and for most of us, the woman of our rank isn’t exactly hot or sexual looking…

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  376. on July 8, 2009 at 10:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    I can even forgive my dead buddy and try not to blame ‘all’ blacks see whites pathetic. Now what I can’t forgive is america turning asia into the same as us. Because that would mean there is no where in world that doesn’t have divorce slavery. There is no where to go at that point. At that point it is one world order under slavery divorce laws and where do you think it will go from there at that point. Better or worse for men.

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  377. 1. i am not an academic at all and made exactly no claims to be one. i said i had a brief stint as an anthro major that made me hate and despise indigenous or tribal people. i am a member of the PA bar but do not work as an attorney.

    2. i subscribe to inductivist’s feed and have read it every day since its inception. i read your link and absolutely think that’s what blacks report on the gss. 1/3 of blacks on the gss reported they thought the US was 50% or more black as well, they also report that they as a group have the highest iqs http://inductivist.blogspot.com/2009/03/blacks-think-they-are-smartest.html.

    the fact that blacks have a generally good attitude towards INTEGRATION, which is what i think the GSS numbers meant IMO reflects their knowledge that white things are better and that left to their own devices black schools, neighborhoods and businesses aren’t very good and that they want access to the spoils of white development. i get calls from black women in north philly with bad credit and no jobs every day trying to get me to tell them how they can still buy a house in the northeast because they can’t stand their neighborhoods anymore. they don’t want to live near whites because they have no ax to grind, they want to live near whites because its SAFER and the schools are better–basically, they want the benefits of being among us rather than exclusively with their own kind

    heres the money shot:

    the one q’s results that approached half and half and in no way could be interpreted as black parasitism on the benefits of being with whites–

    “Is it more important – one, for Blacks to build good relations
    with Whites OR two, for Blacks to build pride and respect
    for themselves, even if it means causing tension between Blacks
    and Whites?
    “(emphasis mine)

    Good relations 52.2%
    Build pride 43.3
    Both 4.5

    almost half said black pride was more important EVEN if it caused racial tension

    selah

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  378. Yea but Dana, “good relations” clearly beat out the other catergory. I suppose that answers the question as to whether you see life as half empty, rather than half full.

    I have no problem w/where people choose to live and for whatever reason. And I can tell you for a fact that there are many well kept neighborhoods that happen to be Black. You of all people should know this, given where in Philly you come from.

    Here’s the bottomline Dana-you got serious issues to work out, which isn’t uncommon for some Jews, I understand. Luckily for you, there are many mental health professionals of Jewish background that can be of assistance to you.

    Good luck with that.

    O

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  379. @lurker:

    “why do I think Mandy would have an entirely different opinion if The Party still ran the country?”

    Because you’re a lunatic. Russia is the way it is because The Party once ran the country.

    As for second thoughts on this photo:

    I’m not sure. I still think it is disrespectful, but it almost seems like Obama is reassuring him. Like,”It’s ok, I know you suck, and we’re better than you.” You know, pat on the shoulder. Trying to calm down a child.

    At the same time, Medvedev looks like he’s thinking something along the lines of,”Not this buffoon again. heh.”

    As for Obama being soft:

    I think that, yes, to some extent, he is soft. He’s not the obvious tough-man that McCain is. McCain wasn’t afraid to go against anyone, whether they were in his party or not.

    At the same time, I have a feeling that Obama is playing the “nice guy game” as a way of winning over the American people and the Democrats. This election had a lot of smear campaign ads going against McCain/Palin, more than with Kerry/Edwards or Gore/Lieberman. The democrats weren’t afraid to get as dirty as the republicans this election year.

    At the same time, this could have been the party arranging it, not Obama. I’m not sure if Obama is that tough.

    Anyway, in Spanish, we have a saying,”Del agua mansa, librame Dios, que de la brava me cuido yo.” I think its English equivalent is,”Still waters run deep.”

    You never know.

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  380. @dana:

    “Good relations 52.2%
    Build pride 43.3
    Both 4.5

    almost half said black pride was more important EVEN if it caused racial tension

    selah”

    And the majority agreed that building good relations were more important.

    What’s your point?

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  381. it’s called a brain drain. If you think the third world has problems, wait until we take all of their best educated. Furthermore, we don’t have it to give. Americans must take care of Americans first.

    Oh, so you want to block the free will of educated people who want to come here, even if it also helps America? ‘Brain Drain’ is just a left-wing stupidity. Those educated people do not have good opportunities in their countries (which is why those countries are shitty, BTW).

    The same thing applies to my people too. We can’t bring all of them here.

    The ones who are high on the skill ladder (engineer, doctor, MBA, etc.), should be allowed to come here if they choose. I am in favor of that.

    We don’t have the money or resources to do so.

    How does it cost us money for a foreign scientist to come here, pay taxes, buy a house, etc?

    I am not sure you understand the difference between an educated immigrant vs. an uneducated one.

    A simpler question : Does the prosperity of a country corelate to the educational level of its citizens?

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  382. obsidian

    yes, disagreeing with you is a a mental issue that needs worked on.

    i’m done with you

    i have spoken to you respectfully and directly addressed your arguments–you are a walking catalogue of logical fallacies, arguments from emotion and personal attacks

    just know this.

    the baby boomers will all die one day, and after that no one is going to care about black people anymore ever again. by then mexicans will outnumber you as well and they don’t give a flying fuck about you–obama isn’t the start of a new era, he’s what it looks like when you have shot your collective wad

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  383. He’s not the obvious tough-man that McCain is. McCain wasn’t afraid to go against anyone, whether they were in his party or not.

    Wrong. McCain was only tough with people in his own party – like Romney – never with people in the other party, least of all Obama. He took the gloves off during the nomination because he wanted to be the candidate in order to ensure that Obama won – and thus McCain treated Obama with kid gloves during the campaign.

    The people McCain despises most of all are conservatives – you never see him bare his fangs against liberals the way he does against conservatives.

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  384. PA:

    “There are plenty of American kids born everyday in Prolesville Ohio and Trailertown Arkansas who can grow up to be brilliant engineers, doctors, or whatever.”

    Really? I mean, yeah, they *can*, but will they? They’re just as likely to develop an addiction to meth or alcohol and work at the local convenience store.

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  385. That photo doesn’t tell the whole story.

    Keep in mind:

    a) Medvedev has a home court advantage here
    b) Obama is visiting Russia in order to repair relations and strike new deals. He’s reaching out to Russians.
    So it’s not a neutral setting like some summit (G8, etc).

    Now if Medvedev visits White House, it would be a completely different photo.

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  386. on July 8, 2009 at 10:51 pm BasilRansom

    reminds me of the asian dude from bloodsport, ‘cept less amused.

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  387. on July 8, 2009 at 10:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but tood don’t you believe in hiring only minorities wasn’t that one of your tennants 6 months back. The thing managers don’t get because they are too stupid. When those people get into their position they don’t hire a mix. They only tend to hire minorities.

    I mean colleges in us putting out thousands and thousands of engineers.

    There are only like jobs in iraq right now for like 20 engineers.

    Do the math.

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  388. tood How does it cost us money for a foreign scientist to come here, pay taxes, buy a house, etc?

    I am not sure you understand the difference between an educated immigrant vs. an uneducated one.

    Tood,I understand the difference. When I say afford, I’m not posting about the low wage immigrants who use welfare and the like moreso than the educated class. An educated foreign computer Scientist will displace a native born American computer Scientist. There are American born CS who can’t find a job in their field. Those lucky enough to find a job often don’t earn enough to make studying such a difficult topic worthwhile.

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  389. “I’ll take the bait and ask the follow up question. If men aren’t supposed to fall in love with her for her mind, then what are we supposed to use?”

    @DA —

    Brain is fine if coupled with sexual attraction, with no self-denying bullshit going on. What is a problem is men like Bill who clearly chose the mind over and against the women who fired up his loins. That directly led to adultery. Yes, everyone ages, as do men as well. But if you’re not sexually totally into your wife when you marry her, you’re just buying into a huge mess.

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  390. tood A simpler question : Does the prosperity of a country corelate to the educational level of its citizens?
    To a large extent yes.

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  391. @PA- i second chuck on prolesville and trailertown. i wish you were right, but you’re wrong. the educational systems in the poorer and more rural parts of flyover country are irredeemably broken. so cherry picking the IIT and Russian Academy of Secines grads pads the right hand side of the bell curve in our economy, where the growth, innovation and high incomes are. there does need to be a solution to teh prblem of findong jobs for blue-collar people after the jobs go away. but that answer is bweyond my poor ablity. but that doesn’t mean we cut off our noses (refuse highly qualified immigrants with skills we need) to spite them. tood is right.

    @dana- thanks re the source materials. also, i think you meant to adderss mr. m above – re the “albion’s seed” argument on roots of mainstram white culture. keep posting – you add a lot of value.

    @obs- you made a lot of good argumetns in this thread, as you always do, but your rhetorical backhand across the face to dana was out of character and beneath you. read it again, if you can, and see if you can see what i am talking about. she gave very specific and precise info, and you responded with an insult. c’mon… really?

    @obs, willard, all – agree re the race/hbd stuff. going back and forth on the same points is just repetitive and boring. make the point once, maybe twice, and if you get to the point where you will obviously have to agree to disagree, then just let it go !!

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  392. on July 8, 2009 at 11:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    Maurice refer to above on tude if he is right then your son ain’t gonna get a job.

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  393. my children are likely to be part of the cognitive elite, for good and ill, so will be the coworkers of the children of these high-value immigrants.

    i can see how that post might have come across as harsh to marginally-employable americans. but you can’t put blinkers on or keep your head up your ass re globalization and the need for an economy to stay competitive and grow. some kind of retraining or improvement of education is necessary, but it’s resisted.

    take alabama as a case study, a number of years ago, the governor (riley? i forget his name) held a statewide referendum on a 5-cent increase in sales tax, to be dedicated *solely* to improving primary education, an area in which alabama has always been near the bottom in rankings. well, the voters turned it down. how fucking stupid is that? it’s like they were choosing to remain poor, dumb, and outside the mainstram future growth of the economy. when i recall stories like that, i’m less sympatethic than i should be.

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  394. Brain is fine if coupled with sexual attraction, with no self-denying bullshit going on.

    Which is a problem for somebody like myself where my tastes run divergent from each other due to my fetishes.

    Yes, everyone ages, as do men as well.

    The problem is that when you’re a 50 year old man married to a 45 year old woman, but you’re still capable of attracting 35 year old women.

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  395. Obsidian–

    Here’s the bottomline Dana-you got serious issues to work out, which isn’t uncommon for some Jews, I understand. Luckily for you, there are many mental health professionals of Jewish background that can be of assistance to you.

    Who do you think you are, 5’8″ black Napoleon Obsidian? There’s nothing remotely mental health sketchy about anything Dana’s said or the way she’s said it.

    You can get very, very full of yourself Obsidian.

    As though your primary purpose here isn’t to undermine the hope and confidence of white or Asian men who’s success with women has so far been beta:

    Joe,
    W/all due respect, I don’t think you have understand my aim and goal.

    Which isn’t to win hearts and minds so much as to present a mirrorlike counterpoint to the arguments floated by some here. And I will engage the targets of my designation at my time and choosing.

    I.e. on a site geared towards teaching game and gender realism, and discussing resisting excessive and male de-masculinizing feminism, your primary aim and goal here is to get back at smart whites who sometimes but only sometimes believe in race realism, with your version of completely non scientifically based (unlike Human Bio Diversity, which is rigorously scientifically grounded) but rather the anecdotes you want to hear and chose to report or make up, black male sexual supremacism. You don’t limit that to an obnoxious few but rather seek to undermine white and Asian men in general, or those with any insecurities in this area, who will be found at a site like this. You do all this with great smoothness and subtlety it must be said, and with information which can be interesting and illuminating at times as well.

    You have however made increasingly clear what your true aim and primary purpose is here.

    As though bringing nearly every thread on which you appear to discussions of race isn’t also a tell. It gets tiresome.

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  396. on July 8, 2009 at 11:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well Maurice how is this for harsh? If that is the case then we can start shipping in all the engineers we want for around 1000 bucks a piece per month.

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  397. on July 8, 2009 at 11:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    What do you do that is so special? I am pretty sure whatever it is can be replaced by someone out of the billions on the planet. What is your son gonna do. Well I am again pretty sure we can find a replacement to fill his job as well.

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  398. tood, look up “IQ and the Wealth of nations” lynn and vanhanen on the corelation between average IQ and national prosperity

    “education” is relative– a country full of female social workers would look like detroit, a country full of engineers would look like silicon valley

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  399. on July 8, 2009 at 11:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    Oh you have top secret clearance. Well all the people over here in iraq now are privey to seeing everything we do here basically at least from the outside and they make 500 to 1000 a month for 84 hours a week. You don’t think they can also be project managers and have no problem making 2000 a month.
    In sri lanka if you want to become a doctor the education is free. If you want to get a bachelors degree again the education is free. They have a glut of people with degrees.

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  400. Maybe the reason Obama decided on a particular social milieu was because he thought he would have the most success in that milieu.

    Maybe whites would never have accepted him as white, so he had to be commit to the black social milieu. Why he chose a militant black church is open to speculation.

    He really went all the way. He is one of the few high profile black men I can think of who married a black woman of darker complexion than himself. He’s making a statement. Maybe when he got married he had no particular great prospects.

    He would likely have not become President if married to a white woman. Is is possible his marriage was a calculated one?

    People forget that character matters. I thought people had learned a lesson about single mothers and their sons becoming President (Bill Clinton.)

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  401. im telling you guys

    go take over this empty chat room

    first of all–best feature? you can put people on “ignore”

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  402. novaseeker–

    But if you’re not sexually totally into your wife when you marry her, you’re just buying into a huge mess.

    I don’t know how many truly alpha men are willing to or do confine themselves to one woman even if they wait to marry until their mid thirties. Sometimes it’s serial marriages. Sometimes its affairs. Sometimes it’s yes higher end hookers as harder to detect than many affairs. Sometimes the wife explicitly knows and agrees. sometimes she tacitly does and lives with it, since he’s solid alpha. If he’s also loving to her.

    I don’t think it’s reasonable for women to expect genuinely alpha men to do so either. It’s dramatically not in their natures. That’s not to say that such men shouldn’t continue to treat their alpha attractive wife with love and respect and sexual attention. If they don’t do that they’re asking for trouble.

    Men after all are polygamous by nature, particularly alpha men are, while women are hypergamous. In the situation I’m outlining, she’s already go her alpha hypergamy and is getting past her prime. He’s got his alpha female too here, but he’s polygamous, and especially so being an alpha.

    It’s just unreasonable for women in America to not accommodate this, if he does it in a discrete and loving and still attentive to her way. IT leads to a lot of needless divorce unhappiness in America, female initiated divorce capital of the world.

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  403. cptnapalm–

    Here’s to ya bro!

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  404. @doug, obs- doug, that was a little overstated, as your highlighted portion of obs’s post was likely intended for rhetorical effect. obs posts on game a lot – more consistently, and better, than a lot of other commenters. i can see why people get aggravated at the race threads, and some of his recent stuff provoked by WB came across as a takedown, but in general i find the introduction of black culture and issues into game and gender realism to be illuminating and worthwhile. i’m not the only one.

    having said that, obs, you might stay away from the tit-for-tat responses to those HBDers that bait you for responses. of course, they’d have to follow suit. you could reply to only those comments worth replying to – a lot are not – and you’d save yourself some time and help keep the board of high quality. just sayin’.

    @gunny- if you’re still there in january i’ll see you in the emerald city. we can talk about it any time.

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  405. @doug1 —

    Yeah, I’m not a fan of adultery, either way, probably due to deep-seated moral rules in my upbringing. But if you don’t have those, then your post makes sense.

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  406. To my very best friend, doug1,

    W00T!

    I am genuinely stupid when drunk. W00H00!

    Apologies to our host, Mr. Roissy, for having polluted his comment section with my drunken inanity. And, while I’m at it, my sober inanity. 🙂

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  407. on July 8, 2009 at 11:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dana is like hansel and grettle thought you were married what is up with the private chat empty room he he he

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  408. chic noir wrote :

    An educated foreign computer Scientist will displace a native born American computer Scientist. There are American born CS who can’t find a job in their field.

    Totally wrong. This is why women do not grasp economics, and get seduced by socialism.

    The number of jobs is not fixed. An immigrant does not necessarily displace an American. The immigrant grows the economy. He pays taxes and spends what he makes.

    Plus, you seem to think that the job itself cannot move overseas if the candidate is not allowed to come here. The outsourcing phenomenon is largely a byproduct of the US not letting those same people come into the US to do that same job. Solution? The job goes to the worker, rather than the other way around.

    Australia is letting in a lot more educated immigrants (in proportion to the native population), than the US. Guess how Australia’s economy has been doing relative to the US for the last several years? Answer : Much better than the US.

    To a large extent yes.

    So this directly contradicts your prior statement.

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  409. David Alexander wrote :

    The problem is that when you’re a 50 year old man married to a 45 year old woman, but you’re still capable of attracting 35 year old women.

    Did David Alexander just say something optimistic about Game and attraction? Did the mask just slip?

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  410. gun
    no no no!

    i just think you all would enjoy it–i chat in a game chatroom and its faster with more realtime feel, and you can put trolls on ignore

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  411. maurice —

    obs posts on game a lot – more consistently, and better, than a lot of other commenters. i can see why people get aggravated at the race threads, and some of his recent stuff provoked by WB came across as a takedown, but in general i find the introduction of black culture and issues into game and gender realism to be illuminating and worthwhile.

    Yes a lot of those contributions from Obsidian are worthwhile and sometimes very much so, as I’ve said to him and others on here many times. However you perhaps are not taking seriously enough the things I pointed out especially in my second and third posts on this thread. There’s a lot of that too, and it seems to be increasing rather than moderating. I’m not just talking about too much race talk. I’m talking about intentional but subtle and smooth undermining. Not just a couple of times when mad (but controlled) or something, but again and again.

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  412. Did David Alexander just say something optimistic about Game and attraction? Did the mask just slip?

    I have repeated stated that men who can make the best use of game to bang women who rank from 7 and up should make use of it. In contrast, using game for a relationship is a waste of time, and using it to attract average women is downright silly given the immense work needed for it to work.

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  413. on July 9, 2009 at 12:01 am Gunslingergregi

    Yea allright we’ll hang one day. Looking like I might be coming home sooner since I am replaceable. he he he

    Might go to dc hang try to remember what I saw there.

    Then nyc hit hells kitchen flea market if it is open.

    Of course you know got to go philly. Obsid and I can go hit some all black clubs. I can show him what I am talking about.

    Then hit miami see g man slummin it catch him on film then blackmail him for some loot.

    Then on to columbia for some 10 dollar snatch.

    I prob do need to focus on some more value added skills but my little sister had a custom logo made for 10 bucks. I mean dang. From a chick in pakistan.

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  414. on July 9, 2009 at 12:03 am Gunslingergregi

    Just a little scary dana I thought one of our people might get taken advantage of.

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  415. on July 9, 2009 at 12:08 am Gunslingergregi

    Just kidding. I see you are trying to abide roissies wishes.
    Wonder if he could put chat on the side or something like a different one for stuff like that. Or maybe I could get my own side link for like 20 bucks a month or so he he he

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  416. IMHO, simple, unsubstantiated boasting about the sexual prowess of ones ethnicity is pure self indulgence. Because first, nearly everybody has a superiority complex about their own ethnicity and you will not ever sway people with mere boasting, and 2nd where are the alpha females (who have all the power of decision in these matters) marrying or dating lower status but higher T AA guys?

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  417. on July 9, 2009 at 12:10 am Gunslingergregi

    solutions not just problems that is what it should be about. Actually calling bhetti can you make me a website for taking over the world that I can link. So I can put my paper on there.

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  418. @doug- noted, and agreed. we all have our strengths and weaknesses as commenters, as as human beings. my take was that that was not intentional underminimg but just a part of a worldview, for better and/or worse.

    btw- you in town next week? i’ll be in NYC from weds-fri and was trying to set up a happy hour.

    @gunny- sure, whenever. forget boring ol’ DC- i think hanging with the g-man in miami would be a night to remember…

    @cptnapalm- i’ve posted here while drunk before. i try to be pretty careful to not look like too much of an idiot later.

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  419. on July 9, 2009 at 12:15 am Gunslingergregi

    I got to say lincoln road had some nice looking woman in miami. Lot of dresses going on.

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  420. In contrast, using game for a relationship is a waste of time, and using it to attract average women is downright silly given the immense work needed for it to work.

    Well, no. LTR Game is extremely important, and in this day and age, it is a must for any married or soon-to-be-married man.

    Game can make a man jump 3 or more points in what he can get, so there need not be a cutoff.

    A man who was getting 7s can get 10s. A man who was getting 3s can get 6s, for example.

    A man who refuses to fuck anything below a 6, but who was not getting 6s, could go from celibacy to banging 6s and higher.

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  421. @ doug1

    “It’s just unreasonable for women in America to not accommodate this, if he does it in a discrete and loving and still attentive to her way.”

    Sorry, I don’t agree with this. Part of it is my upbringing (what what novaseeker), and part of it is that I’m highly territorial. But really…yeah. I haven’t jumped into your previous conversations in which you’ve talked about female infidelity vs. male infidelity, but even then, I disagree.

    While I concede that a female who cheats is more likely to leave her husband for her lover, while a male who cheats is more likely to just take a lover on the side — that is still not an ideal situation. I remember you were talking to Mandy!XD about this awhile back — you said that if he cheats on you/takes a lover on the side, it’s not that he doesn’t love you, it’s just that he wants variety.

    Fine, I’ll agree with that. But if he promises, at the altar, to be faithful to his wife…then cheating is cheating is cheating. And if she decides to end the marriage after he cheats on her…a LARGE part of that marriage ending, he is responsible for. SRSLY.

    Yes, part of marriage is fighting for your marriage, and not letting anything come between you. But part of it is also a responsibility/duty to your spouse. You are expected to exercise control. So while he may want to fuck everything that moves for variety’s sake, or she may want to fuck that super-alpha at the gym and have his babies, both exercise control and keep their promises.

    The answer to the divorce problem in this country is not that wives should stay with cheating husbands, or husbands should stay with cuckolding wives, or any of that nonsense, just to keep the numbers down. No, the answer is that people need to start taking things like promises and vows seriously. SRSLY!

    Sorry, /end rant. I didn’t mean to lash out like that. Don’t take it personally!

    But, srsly, people.

    @ dana

    Yeah, we should all get together on meebo sometime. Chat rooms what what!

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  422. @LILGRL, nova- true dat. i agree. but people are flawed and don’t always follow their best instincts. sex is messy and operates at a primal level, below our conscious control. look at the embarrassments of the latest poltical affairs – sanford, ensign, edwards, etc. do you think these guys *chose* the humiliation for themselves and their families? these guys had way more to lose than the average man, but still took the risks. arrogance? not only. passion, lust, love. sanford in particular cuts a better (if still unsympathetic) figure because he seemed genuinely to have fallen in love. and so maybe looked more ridiculous, i don’t know.

    it’s like that chick-flick “bridges of madison county”. what do you do if you’re in a stable, happy, loving marriage and suddently a new real love, with volcanic passion, suddenly comes into your life? ignore it? suppress it?

    not easy questions. if they were easy there wouldn’t be so many extramarital affairs. maybe serial monogamy is the way to go, and not the obligatory “til death do us part”.

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  423. That midget, Putin-lapdog, is no alpha. And the smirk is a poseur move grounded in insecurity. Obama is beloved by Europe/North America/Asia, and the US is putting the screws to the Russians today such that Khrushchev should be rolling over in his grave.

    Love the blog . . . social/cultural analysis is spot on. Political – not so much.

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  424. on July 9, 2009 at 12:38 am Gunslingergregi

    On the infedelity. Why you need to figure what you want out of life before you get married and talk about what that is before you tie the knot and put that into what you promise.

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  425. @ Gunslingergregi

    True story.

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  426. on July 9, 2009 at 12:45 am Willard Libby

    Joe, thanks for reposting my comments.

    If you have the time feel free to post more of my responses to Obsidian. Go ahead and post them in full context. I’m sure Obsidian wont mind despite the fact that I have taken him down EVERY time.

    No matter how much he pretends not to know that.

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  427. Once y’all establish the general area of your happy hour do make it known. I want to be sure to shield my aging, lawyer girlfriends who would be *crushed* at a fest of men not slaving over them by dragging them to the opposite end. I can’t deal with any more gnashing of teeth over men.

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  428. ” sanford in particular cuts a better (if still unsympathetic) figure because he seemed genuinely to have fallen in love. and so maybe looked more ridiculous, i don’t know.

    it’s like that chick-flick “bridges of madison county”. what do you do if you’re in a stable, happy, loving marriage and suddently a new real love, with volcanic passion, suddenly comes into your life? ignore it? suppress it?

    not easy questions. if they were easy there wouldn’t be so many extramarital affairs. maybe serial monogamy is the way to go, and not the obligatory “til death do us part”.”

    @maurice —

    Have to say I disagree — especially if there are children involved.

    If you have kids and are married, you have no business falling in love with someone else. It fucks up your kids. So you find someone who makes you tingle. Stifle it — because you are an adult and a parent, and your kids matter more than your tingling and your desire to indulge that.

    It’s actually far *worse* for a relationship for adultery to consist of a love affair, because that makes it all the much harder to heal the marriage. Often adulterous spouses simply cannot even contemplate being romantic with their spouse again (especially women, it would seem, who seem to be more naturally inclined to serial monogamy). So you find someone who you could fall in love with, and you can already feel the beginnings of it. You’re not in high school, and you are married, and you have kids. Be an adult and a parent and stifle it and move away.

    If you have no kids, to me it’s much less of an issue. It’s a personal betrayal of course, but at least there are no younglings involved getting fucked in the head because he or she can’t control themselves. So if you have no kids, yeah, go for serial monogamy if you like — it’s only about you and your spouse. When kids come along, though, its utterly selfish to fuck with them for emotional or sexual reasons.

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  429. LTR Game is extremely important, and in this day and age, it is a must for any married or soon-to-be-married man.

    I’ve generally felt that given the energy and effort put into learning and using game properly, it seems rather silly to waste it in a monogamous relationship when you can use it to bang different on a regular basis.

    A man who was getting 3s can get 6s, for example.

    That’s the difference between you and me. I think the 6s and below are a waste for sexual purposes, while you think that they’re somehow redeemable. If one’s use of game doesn’t allow one to cross that gap into the 7s and up, then the opportunity costs are too high in my opinion to make use of it. The sex with these women can’t be that good given the work one must put in, and one could spend their time with porn and masturbation to satiate sexual urges, and have the rest of their life filled with friends, family, work, and hobbies.

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  430. How much sex have you had with 6s to be so dismissive of them, DA?

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  431. When kids come along, though, its utterly selfish to fuck with them for emotional or sexual reasons.

    Reason #1 why the birth rate tanked. They seem to get in the way of personal fulfilment and happiness.

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  432. How much sex have you had with 6s to be so dismissive of them, DA?

    I believe the host of this blog and his colleagues have noted that their sexual experiences were superior with better looking women due to the fact that the better looking induced superior sexual energy from them. In contrast, the less attractive women did not have this effect on them, which crippled the experience for them.

    Besides, given the time, energy, and effort needed to meet, attract, and seduce a woman, a 6 and below seems to below the effort threshold given that I can get an orgasm whenever I want from my own right hand and a bottle of lotion and baby oil. Yes, there are certain sensations that one gets from real world sex, but given that we’re chasing orgasms, doing all that work to get an orgasm from a 6 seems kinda silly from my vantage point especially since her competition is a porn star.

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  433. If one’s use of game doesn’t allow one to cross that gap into the 7s and up, then the opportunity costs are too high in my opinion to make use of it.

    I’ll partly agree, as I would rather be celibate than fuck anything below a 7/8.

    However, you view Game as a chore. It need not be a chore, it can be a FUN process. Then the opportunity cost issue does not arise.

    Also, unless a man has very serious negatives (major ugliness, a disability, a horrendous voice, etc.), I see no reason why a man with moderate competence in Game (which I defined in the past), can pull 7s.

    You could get the occasional 7 too, if you were moderately competent in Game.

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  434. Obama is not strong enough material to be a world leader. His handlers have managed to get him into the big leagure without a major embarrasment but they can protect him no longer.
    In this photo Obama gets showed up by a nobody.
    Were Russia to start playing cold war games again would Obama have the guts to face upto them or would he roll over?

    lurker: If Shrillary were in charge I’d be more scared that she might bomb the shit out of me while I slept (if I were an American). She is a raving lunatic and I could see her losing her temper and nuking some part of America for not bowing down to her.

    The American presidential race was between three candidates:
    A pacifist socialist in way over his head.
    An insane bitch
    And a geriatric old Alpha who was starting to go over the deep end but who was backed up by a very hot MILF but who was too easy a target for the media to crucify.

    No wonder your country is going down the shitter. What happened to the American presidents whose names are still mentioned as great men. Where are your Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins and Lincolns? Pull your fucken act together America.

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  435. I will admit that since David Alexander is 25 or whatever, he will probably have access to 3-D/VR/holographic sex by the time he is 35-37, and biding his time might be lame, but is not entirely unreasonable as a strategy. Sexbots will be available too, but he would have to make far more money than he does now to entertain the notion of buying a $50,000 sexbot in 2020.

    Real 10 > VR/sexbot 10 > Real 6. That is for sure.

    So David, focus on increasing your income, and you will be able to afford certain technologies sooner.

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  436. maurice:
    ” i try to be pretty careful to not look like too much of an idiot later.”

    Too late for me, I’m afraid. I’ve already given every girl of whatever ethnic group LilGirl belongs to a pass since she gave me the best answer she could on Google’s Chrome OS.

    So… Save yourselves while you still can! Don’t post while drunk!

    And more apologies to Roissy for causing excessive eye rolling and doubts as to the future of the human race.

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  437. You could get the occasional 7 too, if you were moderately competent in Game.

    With nails, heels, makeup, tattoos, tongue piercing, and slutty clothes? 🙂

    However, you view Game as a chore. It need not be a chore, it can be a FUN process.

    It’s a chore when your idea of fun is riding trains and taking photos of them, and talking to somebody is an excruciating experience. Game is for relatively normal males, not for sub-humans who barely click with normal people and find riding trains to be fun…

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  438. @ cptnapalm

    I had the Boyfriend infiltrate Google HQ in Mountain View. His discoveries include: it will probably be somewhat UNIX-like (but only because of the Linux kernel), and less of a cloud OS than we originally thought (it’s installed on the PC, yet most of the “experience” will take place on the internet…anyway it still sounds like cloud computing to me, with Google’s little blurb about your data being available to you anywhere, etc, etc.)

    Unfortunately the Boyfriend deals with future MBAers, not the techies of Google, so we didn’t learn too much.

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  439. Game is for relatively normal males, not for sub-humans who barely click with normal people and find riding trains to be fun…

    What percentage of time do you ride in trains?

    If you really have that much of an obsession with such a pursuit, America is the wrong country for you to live in. Europe would suit you well. So would Japan (fastest trains in the world) and India (cheapest trains in the world. A 800-mile one-way trip in the basic coach class would cost only $15).

    I think you are bullshitting that your hobby is so serious a pursuit that you are not interested in women.

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  440. lilgrl:
    Your boyfriend is awesome, so you should probably do some swallowing tonight. The UNIX-ness of the kernel is just not enough for me, sadly. I need pipes, damnit!

    But since you are also awesome, you boyfriend needs to do whatever it is that makes you walk funny the next day.

    Plus, you need to give me specific ethnicity so I can give them a free pass for life.

    I’ve now drunk half a fifth of Seagram’s. So if anyone needs someone to pray for your special moment with that camel/sheep/New Yorker you’ve had your eye on, now is the time.

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  441. @ maurice

    “i’ll be in NYC from weds-fri and was trying to set up a happy hour.”

    Aww hey guys we should have a blog meet-up.

    In, uh, San Francisco.

    “it’s like that chick-flick “bridges of madison county”. what do you do if you’re in a stable, happy, loving marriage and suddently a new real love, with volcanic passion, suddenly comes into your life? ignore it? suppress it?”

    Yeah, you do. You be an adult about it and suppress it. Basically, what novaseeker said. I’m not saying everyone can be perfect, because, of course, they can’t. But you do need to go into something as serious as marriage with a fightin’ attitude. Not, “oh, I’m an alpha male so I won’t be able to do this,” or, “oh, I’m a hypergamous female so I’ll commit to this guy until something better comes along.” If you can’t do it, don’t commit.

    Sorry, I’m big on commitment…but really. I think that if more people would take said commitment seriously, well, then we would have less divorce. Although, it’s true, the law does seem to favor random flights of fancy. But yes, especially when you have children, you need to NOT be selfish and control yourself.

    That said, I do think it’s a big deal if you don’t have children, as well. I mean, it’s pretty easy, guys — if you don’t want to commit yourself to one person for the rest of your life.

    Well.

    Don’t.

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  442. @ cptnapalm

    Um, thanks for the pass. I don’t think there are a lot of Vietnamese-Thai-French-Etc’s out there, but I’m sure they appreciate it.

    🙂

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  443. on July 9, 2009 at 1:47 am Gunslingergregi

    Well breeze I think George Bush will be thought of as a great president. He brought full equal opportunity to the war zone. You got 75 year old men able to be a help in the war effort who maybe when another war was on they couldn’t go. So they got to go to this one and make a contribution. He gave a lot of people a shot to help themselves to achieve true freedom. Surely some will go on to use the money to become entrepenuers

    Plus he got the troops out for some good training and upped the college fund for the ones in army substantially. So a generation of men and woman who have experienced war to an extent. Plus multilayered generations of men and woman.

    We may see some return on investment at some point.

    Plus we realize now there need not be an age limit on people in a war zone or really any limits at all for people in the war zone in support roles. So basically you can apply the full population of your country which is a major change to an extent if you have to fight someone with traditional methods who outnumbers you 6 to 1 population wise.

    We are using remote control planes.

    Only problem is that in future war will be even more able to apply total population as everyone already has a computer in their house and all those people can be used to control remote controlled platforms. The other problem is that a blitkrieg in future will be able to go worldwide in the time it takes a plane to fly there with unprecedented numbers of planes and the ability to not have pilots die. To train pilots only need to put out the video game simulator which will be exactly like the real thing how bout that.

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  444. I think you are bullshitting that your hobby is so serious a pursuit that you are not interested in women.

    Neg to girl at work: “I wouldn’t spend all that money on a ring for you. I’d rather use that money to ride trains…”

    READ: I just couldn’t be bothered. Hell, you’re talking to somebody who has never asked a girl out on a date. Mind you, my hinting at railfanning being an impediment is really a proxy for the fact that I am quite boring for conversational purposes because I’m just not normal…

    America is the wrong country for you to live in. Europe would suit you well.

    Actually, I had plans to go to Germany to basically ride trains around for a week or so, but my dad passed away the week before I was supposed to go. I’ve become rather bored with much of the stuff here in New York and other time and familial constraints, so I’ve basically stopped railfanning with the exception of a daytrip to Washington DC to ride WMATA, and I was sadly looking forward to that trip to Germany. Of course, I’ve basically pushed the trip for next year at this point…

    BTW, the world’s fastest railway in terms of maximum speed is in China on the Beijing-Tianjin railway at 350km/h, but the worlds fastest in terms of average speeds is on the French TGV network on the LGV Est and LGV LGV Méditerranée. The Japanese run at 300 km/h, and their Maglev record is only 7 miles faster than the French record on the TGV network…

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  445. LilGrl:
    An actual comment from me for a change. With regards to your “You be an adult about it and suppress it”, I’d have to agree. I remember being attached and having that moment before the moment where I would get all “maybe this chick is better”. I walked away from the table, left the bar, went home, jerked off, went to sleep and saw my girlfriend the next morning. No, it didn’t work out with the girlfriend, but I’ve never regretted walking away. Doing it would have been beneath me.

    So you are a Vietnamese-Thai-French-Etc, eh? I’ve always had a thing for them… (Seagram’s still running strong)

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  446. @ cptnapalm

    “Doing it would have been beneath me.”

    ❤ And to think, I already liked you.

    "So you are a Vietnamese-Thai-French-Etc, eh? I’ve always had a thing for them…"

    Especially the "Etc.," right? SEXY.

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  447. In, uh, San Francisco.

    Hehe, I spent a week last summer riding trains (BART, MUNI Metro, San Jose Light Rail, Caltrain) there like a foamer. Of course, like a good little boy, I didn’t talk to anybody, and I was basically too freaked out to eat out in a restaurant since I was alone and a NAM. It’s a beautiful city, and I’d love to go back there again to ride everything else I didn’t ride, and to drive over the Golden Gate Bridge…

    Oh, Chinatown is a massively overrated tourist trap…

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  448. And damn it, we should build the California High Speed Rail Line! 3:30 from San Francisco to Los Angeles would be glorious and a sign of proud nationalism…

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  449. Obsidian — If Whites decline, rest assured that Latinos will be the majority. And they feel no guilt at all in treating Blacks badly. The history of declining peoples who were once an absolute majority is not a happy one for those numerically inferior still, also, as the Balkans suggest, powerfully.

    As for racial disparities in Alpha-dom, at least wrt women, I do broadly agree with you on that. My difference with you and probably most others on this board is that White guys will probably rapidly become thugs like Black guys, given what happened in Unified Germany and the Osten, and chavs. I think you underestimate the thug in White guys. A guy can be a herb, and then quite dangerous later. It won’t happen like a light switch, but clearly did happen in Britain, which used to be even among the lower classes the home of the stiff upper lip. Black guys, after all, used to a lot more restrained, more Lionel Hampton than say, the late Dollah.

    Agreed with Nova on Obama being owned by his wife, the Klingon Lawyer.

    Chic — Blacks are 12.5% of the population. That’s it. They’ll never dominate. They can assimilate. But they cannot dominate. No you can’t have Bond. He is in fact ours. Create your own. A Black Bond is as pathetic a PC move as Sacajawea as the “hero” of the Lewis and Clark expedition. In fact as Whites decline in absolute numbers “slack” over issues like Bond just evaporate. In short Blacks are not going anywhere, they are part of America’s lifeblood. But they are a minor not major part. Even if they punch above their numbers in food, music, and literature.

    Goddamn Dave Nailed IT(tm).

    Dana — that culture of face/shame describes Highland Scotland, before the Battle of Culloden, Ireland, and the Gauls Caesar fought. It’s common among tribal peoples (the Romans considered it a weakness).

    Good point Tarl on McCain. Tough only on Conservatives.

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  450. @ DA

    Dude, I have <3's and flowers for BART and Caltrain, but Caltrain is breaking my heart with its delays. Took me an extra 40 min to get home today, and just a week ago they had 75 min delays.

    SRSLY.

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  451. Chuck, that’s nascent SWPL. Most of the big inventions in the US were from “proles” like the Wright Brothers, or Edison, or spud farmer Farnsworth (a little thing called TV).

    SWPL idiots never heard of something called genetic bottleneck. They figure smarts comes from living in NYC (Lysenko-ism) or from having the SWPL lifestyle. That’s BS. Talent can and does come from lots of places, and smart societies work to harness as much of it as they can.

    The losing play is to harvest the cream of the crop off India and China, thin soup indeed after the first layer. Or the bigger pool here. It’s not as if sorta gay metrosexualized lawyer or accountant yuppies create wealth.

    The West’s unmatched progress since the 1300’s has been through wide-deep resource utilization, by allowing everyone to contribute, not just Mandarins and meteoric Eunuchs.

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  452. Most of the big inventions in the US were from “proles” like the Wright Brothers, or Edison, or spud farmer Farnsworth (a little thing called TV).

    Danger! You’re making a presumption that men of such high IQ would remain proles in the modern era instead of being college educated either working for a corporate or non-profit/government R&D, IT, or in the white collar professional world.

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  453. Obama is not strong enough material to be a world leader.

    Or smart enough. The effect of propaganda on the left never ceases to amaze me. Bush is held up as a village idiot among liberals while Obama is praised as a genius. The truth is they are probably very close in IQ, each somewhere just above average. Quite frankly neither man has the IQ or knowledge we should demand of a president.

    If Bush was a flaming liberal and Obama a staunch conservative the left would praise Bush as a genius and vilify Obama as an idiot, even if their actions and policies weren’t all that different from now. Heck, you could probably get most of the left to support the war in Iraq if it had just been started by a good liberal Democrat in the name of good liberal causes.

    In this photo Obama gets showed up by a nobody.

    This photo is just further confirmation that world leaders in general have very little respect for Obama. I think by the end of his first (and hopefully only) term we will see that Bush actually held more respect, though I wouldn’t hold him up as any kind of ideal. I mention him to point out just how bad Obama actually is.

    We haven’t had a decent president in this country since Reagan, and even he was virtually helpless to reign in wasteful government spending and liberty eroding legislation despite the fact that he is portrayed as an effective fighter of his liberal Congress. But at least he tried, and he was able to strengthen the military to the point of breaking the Soviet economy. Every president since Reagan has been a joke.

    Were Russia to start playing cold war games again would Obama have the guts to face upto them or would he roll over?

    He would roll over, no doubt.

    Worse, I’m afraid he would roll over for North Korea, and I’m afraid they’re figuring this out. Obama has, for all intents and purposes, announced to our enemies that nukes are off the table. He would not respond to a North Korean invasion of South Korea with nuclear strikes.

    But the simple truth is we cannot engage North Korea in a protracted conventional ground war because there is no way we can afford such a war right now. Our government is already at the breaking point with the sovereign nations of the world threatening to freeze their purchases of U.S. Treasury notes. Does anyone really believe the world would lend us another $1-$2 trillion this year and next to support an all out ground war on the Korean peninsula? It would be at least that much with oil prices skyrocketing and the economy collapsing even further due to the hostilities. We can’t pay back what we’re borrowing now, why would anyone lend us more?

    We can only hope that North Korea’s generals are too ignorant to realize the position we’re in and the opportunities that are open for them.

    The American presidential race was between three candidates:
    A pacifist socialist in way over his head.
    An insane bitch
    And a geriatric old Alpha who was starting to go over the deep end but who was backed up by a very hot MILF but who was too easy a target for the media to crucify.

    QFT. The Republicans squandered their opportunities when they held the White House and Congress. Once they were in power they acted like Democrats. Then they blew this last election with their candidate choices of McCain and (shudder) Palin.

    No wonder your country is going down the shitter. What happened to the American presidents whose names are still mentioned as great men. Where are your Washingtons, Jeffersons, Franklins and Lincolns? Pull your fucken act together America.

    The political process in America is thoroughly corrupt, a stinking sewer of greedy politicians and the power hungry special interests who control them. The Libertarians are right when they say that there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats. Between the voters, the platforms? Yes. Between the actual politicians who get to D.C. and execute policy? Nope.

    A Washington or Jefferson would never make it to the top in this putrid and sick environment. If they were alive today they would be working on a second revolution. But they would most likely be captured before getting anything off the ground and tried as “terrorists”.

    I have no wife or kids, and I keep thinking that it would be wise to arrange my life so that I could leave America and move to a foreign country quickly should the need arise. How sad is that? I never could have imagined having those thoughts growing up in the Reagan 80’s. It is horrible watching my country slowly fall apart, just painful and sad.

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  454. @David Alexander:

    How many women have you slept with?

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  455. David,

    You didn’t respond to my suggestion that you increase your income. That will enable you to afford 3-D/VR sex sooner as the technology arrives. This will be superior to Internet porn (just as Internet porn is superior to VHS cassette porn).

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  456. How many women have you slept with?

    You must be new here. My only partner has been a Canadian woman who is older than me by 8 years….

    You didn’t respond to my suggestion that you increase your income.

    $50K in today’s dollars or in future dollars? You do realize that obviously, I would have to increase my income if I want to have the money to support myself and go ride trains…

    Sexbots are an interesting idea but they’d have to be pure replacements for women. They’d have to basically mimic a human body and the ability to change the body for convenience. Mind you, the problem with sexbots is similar to the prostitute problem since she really doesn’t want you which reinforces one’s depression, but she’s only performing by virtue of her programming.

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  457. How many women have you slept with?

    You really are new here. David Alexander has slept with zero women, and wants to keep it that way.

    He is a ‘professional loser’ to the extent that such a thing is even possible. He earns almost no money. He claims that his fascination with trains is able to occupy a large portion of his waking hours.

    He is a troll who manages to bait the alpha guys here into going far out of their way to help him. We know his game, yet cannot resist. Obsidian, doug1, Tupac, and myself – we all get suckered in trying to help this professional loser.

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  458. @David Alexander:

    It’s strange that you simultaneously discuss the lack of interaction you would get from a sexbot, and how underrated real-life sex is. It’s certainly worth the effort to chase after the erotic tension and interaction a human provides rather than sit at home and jack off to porn. Especially for someone who’s socially inept: imagine the huge endorphin release that would be provided by female success.

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  459. Cuntrag! So glad you could join us. And trying to deny your love of the Party, while making up radically complex and unproven defenses of your hero, The One? No way!

    I must be racist for not voting for him.

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  460. @Tood:

    I’m relatively new, but I’ve been hearing constant allusions to David Alexander’s loserdom without actually hearing the full back story. I’ve also noticed he seems to be a vacuum in the comment thread: a lot of invested energy on behalf of the other commenters only to be entirely and baselessly circumvented.

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  461. He earns almost no money.

    I have an associate’s degree in a shitty economy. It generally doesn’t do much except serve as useless filled in box on an application form when one is applying for employment.

    He is a troll who manages to bait the alpha guys here into going far out of their way to help him.

    It’s a fun game to play with you guys, but I must admit. I certainly have not been at my best here for the past few weeks, and I certainly could do better. I suspect that the males don’t like the fact that I poke at their arguments which may induce some self-doubt on their part, and the women don’t like the fact that I eat away at their self-esteem and feelings of attractiveness by stating my love for non-natural, artificially enhanced digital creations. I’d imagine most women would be sad if they were told by some ugly kid that they’re not attractive enough.

    It’s certainly worth the effort to chase after the erotic tension and interaction a human provides rather than sit at home and jack off to porn.

    I stated before, my idea conversation would be like this:

    Male: I’d like to have sex with you since you’re hot and attractive to me.
    Female: I think you’d be a great partner. Let’s go have sex.

    I really couldn’t be bothered with the chase, and I just want the orgasm. Masturbation is just the quickest way to do so, and it requires no live female participant, and little effort on the end user.

    Especially for someone who’s socially inept: imagine the huge endorphin release that would be provided by female success.

    Actually, one ends up wondering what that female sees, and once one note her flaws, it feeds a new round of depression since only confirms that “broken” women want you.

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  462. on July 9, 2009 at 4:13 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    cptnapalm

    lilgrl:
    Your boyfriend is awesome, so you should probably do some swallowing tonight.

    She’s in a good relationship. Therefore, that’s probably not really her decision.

    Also, if swallowing is a reward, my man, you need to up your bedroom standards.

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  463. Roissy,

    You’re missing the point. Obama achieved a foreign policy coup in Russia.

    We will now be able to make military flights to Afghanistan through Russian airspace for free. Let that sink in for a moment and reflect on this fact: US troops and US weapons will be transiting over the territory of our former arch-enemy so that we (and our NATO allies) can continue to wage a vital war in their back fucking yard.

    Where is that fact in your hackneyed play by play?

    Oh, and for those who would like to see the visual and temporal context of the photograph from which Roissy is cherry-picking, you can see it in the closing seconds of this video:

    http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/world/europe/1194811622213/index.html#1194841378334

    Medvedev isn’t rudely and casually ignoring Obama, he’s hastily and nervously departing the stage because he doesn’t want to be caught in another herb-tacular pose like this:

    Only 1 in 8 Russians believe Medvedev is in charge, obviously considering Putin to be his puppet master. Who knows whether that’s the case or not, but its sure as hell true that George Bush didn’t convince Vladamir Putin to let us fly our military over Russia, and Obama did.

    So, in one word: SCOREBOARD.

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  464. by the way, just what does ‘racially castrated’ mean?

    Michael Jackson.

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  465. You are wrong. It doesn’t take that much time – the stock market react quickly to an anti-business administration coming in.

    Ridiculous. The bubble was about to burst soon or sooner. Business cycles.

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  466. It would seem that there are some who are shocked, SHOCKED, at my handling of the race-baiting, Black-bashing interloper Dana.

    I should like to speak to that, if I may.

    If one takes the time to go back through this thread to find my actual comments, in their entirety, in response to Dana, they will find that they are, as per usual for me, quite reasoned and respectful of Dana. For example, I could dismiss her citation of Sowell out of hand, as they vast majority of Blacks-and some Whites-do, largely because he has done NOTHING to actually move the ball insofar as Black folk are concerned; indeed, I could make a very powerful case, that Michael Eric Dyson has done more to motivate inner city Black kids, especially Males, to see the Academy as sexy, first and foremost by actually BEING in the hood, than Sowell will ever do, even if he wrote a thousand books. That’s a fact. Sowell, like D’Souza, Malkin, and other non-Whites on the Right (keep in mind please, I’m a Conservative), are little more than Useful Idiots for the cause, because when it comes to the real heavy lifting they are relegated to the background, as JC Watts, Glenn Loury and others have been shown; heck, D’Souza himself found out the hard way how mny of his fellow travelers felt about him, when he attended one of Jared Taylor’s AmRen conferences. This is a dirty little secret on the Right that needs to be addressed, and soon, since time and demographics are clearly not on their side.

    Instead, I directly engaged Dana on Sowell’s book, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, with direct counterpoint arguments, based on the book. Where was Dana’s response? I haven’t seen it bt perhaps its possible I overlooked it?

    Doug and Maurice will kindly show me what she said.

    Dana then went on to make a litany of completely ridiculous statements about Black people, which I countered, again, by citing one of the Conservative movement’s most recognizable faces in our time, Pat Buchanan, who’s writings in this regard directly contradict’s Dana’s stylings.

    Again, where’s her response? Doug, Maurice? Perhaps you fine gentlemen can find it for me, since I’ve been so mean and nasty to Dana.

    But she ain’t done yet-oooooo no. She next goes on to give a “clinical” diagnosis of an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE-and given Dana’s background, one would think if anyone would be wary of such things, she would-not only merely implying, or suggesting, or inferring, that African Americans may be a tad “narcississtic-she flatout says we are, to such a degree that we, enmasse now, have a clinical disorder. NPD, as its called. It was so beyond the pale, that other posters, who went on to take issue with me because of my refusal to “let it go”, which I’ll take up in a minute, had to agree that Dana went a bridge too far.

    In 99% of my direct comments to Dana, they have been nothing but respectful and on point in reply to what she has posted here, yet when I’ve had my fill of her delusional nonsense and send her on her way, out comes what some have called Captain Save-A-Ho-ism(or what others would call White, pardon the pun, Knighting) to save the suddenly weak damsel in distress and to register just how shocked, SHOCKED, at my behavior.

    Well, let me tell you all something.

    I have borne the brunt of more implied, inferred and direct assaults by the likes of Dana and her ilk for years, both in person and online, and I have had enough. ENOUGH. I will fight them with every fiber of my being. I wil never stop. I will never relent. I’ll never quit. Because too many of my people, have shed blood, tears, sweat and seen their own dreams deferred, by the likes of Dana. And while I much prefer a more gentlemanly course of action (if I had to choose someone who’s a bit closer to Obsidian in media terms, it would probably be Brother Mouzone from The Wire), please do not get it twisted, I can be ruthless in a way many here have never seen with their own eyes. Dana got just a sip of that. She should consider herself lucky and quit while she’s ahead.

    And as for Doug’s comments, I would like to respectfully ask him to review my previous words to him on this matter-my track record in Roissy’s House is documented. I’ve logged more words dealing directly with Game than most of my biggest detractors, combined. Moreover, I’ve assisted other Men here wrt racial background, the most recent being Arpagus. I’m very pleased about that btw, in light of the drubbing he’s gotten from some in the forum, and to date I cannot recall them, or Doug for that matter, lifting a finger to assist him, either.

    Finally, in a forum obstensibly geared toward Game and gender relations, Racial themes, now known in our time as Human Bio Diversity, or HBD, commonly rears its head. Usually by those, I’ve found, who seem to have gotten their source info on Black and Brown folk from a book or Wikipedia than from actual face to face interaction.

    Part of my goal is to stand as a sharp rebuke to all they stand for-in almost every way I discredit their views, bases, premises. And this, while I acknowledge that HBD has some basis in fact, btw. My problem isn’t with this as much as the aims of those who promulgate such a view. And, to further shed light on their true motivations.

    One way I do that is be highlighting the simple fact that no one race or group has a lock on it all-Nature demands that there be tradeoffs. Yet there is not discussion by the HBD crowd about the real downsides of being born on the tail of the right end of the Bell Curve-there simply isn’t any real problems to contend with there, and if anything, all the problems hail from the left side-right?

    Rubbish. But unlike others, who tosse HBD out of hand for the pseudoscience they deem it to be, I’m actually interested in engaging the argument. Thus far, based on for example, my “debate” with OneSTDV, I haven’t found HBD’s biggest proponents to be satisfactory in their arguments.

    I’ll close by saying this: I was hopeful that I could have a respectful discussion w/Dana, despite her racial flamethrowing outta nowhere. But when she apparently refused to deal with my replies to her arguments, and even the fact that both I and Mandy pointed out clear contradictions in Inductivist’s data, I decided to just end it and call a spade a spade. I gave her a chance to conduct herself as a lady. She failed.

    And I do not apologize in any way for my approach.

    I treat all with respect due to Human Beings, even if we vociferously disagree. But please, do not fuck with me. You will not like the result.

    The Obsidian

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  467. @lurker:

    “Cuntrag! So glad you could join us. And trying to deny your love of the Party, while making up radically complex and unproven defenses of your hero, The One? No way!”
    The One? I don’t recall talking about Jesus on this thread.

    “I must be racist for not voting for him.”
    I’m not going to say anything to this.

    Lurker, why are you so obsessed with everything I say? I mean…it’s kind of strange.

    @Obsidian:

    “I will fight them with every fiber of my being. I wil never stop. I will never relent. I’ll never quit. Because too many of my people, have shed blood, tears, sweat and seen their own dreams deferred, by the likes of Dana.”
    Keep on fighting.

    I love how Dana kept criticizing black people, saying they were this and that; if she acts like that AROUND black people, of course they won’t have any respect for her. Of course they will, evetually, be hostile.

    It’s like if you come to me and start talking trash about Hispanics, then say,”Oh, but you’re ok. You speak English!” Yeah, and the rest of Hispanics don’t?

    “I was hopeful that I could have a respectful discussion w/Dana, despite her racial flamethrowing outta nowhere. But when she apparently refused to deal with my replies to her arguments, and even the fact that both I and Mandy pointed out clear contradictions in Inductivist’s data, I decided to just end it and call a spade a spade. I gave her a chance to conduct herself as a lady.”

    You should have seen Dana yesterday. She describes herself as a high-T “lawyer type.” So, no, she isn’t a lady. She comes here expecting to be treated as a man, what you did was right.

    She wants to have serious MAN DISCUSSIONS, well, she got one.

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  468. You should have seen Dana yesterday. She describes herself as a high-T “lawyer type.” So, no, she isn’t a lady. She comes here expecting to be treated as a man, what you did was right.

    She wants to have serious MAN DISCUSSIONS, well, she got one.

    That’s a good point. It’s surprising how many people here still resort to knee-jerk white knighting.

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  469. on July 9, 2009 at 8:44 am SmartyJones

    @ Thee Obsidian

    – The only thing I disagree with you is about Sowell. Imagine what kind of country our nation would be if his books were part of the education system? It would be a great nation. We would all be united in what it is to be American, end of story.

    As for the other nonsense, I’ll repeat that I find it ridiculous this constant repetition of racial monoliths. The expectation that someone of a any race on these threads should speak to this is ridiculous.

    Let me give an example. Some years back a friend of mine and I were talking about the movie “Do the Right Thing.” I said it was a masterpiece. My friend said it was a lousy movie. He questioned who was the positive black role model in the film and there was no positive black characters. I just told him he was wrong.

    10 years later. He’s a writer trying to make his way in the Los Angeles jungle of TV/Film. In passing the movie comes up. He just says, “I was an idiot.”

    We never discussed it again.

    He implicitly understood that he had fallen into the thinking of a black monolith and that it was a mistake on his part.

    All this baiting crap on these threads to thee Obsidian falls into the same litany of crap. Some people need to check themselves. If you want to attack folks of a certain race, keep it within your family. That way the poison is limited to the ones you love.

    O you are spending too much time and effort letting these folks yank your chain. It all starts with generalizations and then quickly is diminished into personal prejudice hidden with links and veiled and more often unveiled insults: of a racial nature.

    In this day and age…. lame.

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  470. jscore

    That photo doesn’t tell the whole story.

    Keep in mind:

    a) Medvedev has a home court advantage here
    b) Obama is visiting Russia in order to repair relations and strike new deals. He’s reaching out to Russians.
    So it’s not a neutral setting like some summit (G8, etc).

    Now if Medvedev visits White House, it would be a completely different photo.

    We have pictures of other Presidents visiting Moscow. They did not have “home court advantage”, yet they did not adopt the body language of fawning, approval-seeking supplicants. For example, in this picture of Reagan and Gorby, Reagan is erect, dignified, and confident.

    I would also challenge you to find a picture of a Russian leader visiting Washington who displays the same abject body language as Obama in Moscow. Even when the Russians are weak, and even when they are not on home turf, they know better than to grovel. Obama thinks that if he grovels, he will be liked. Everyone else, including the Russians, knows that people react to groveling not with friendship and liking but with contempt and kicks to the backside.

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  471. @nova, LILGRL- agreed, but maybe i didn’t make myself clear in the post. i wasn’t encouraging adultery, only speaking to the strong forces at play, aboveand beyond being a cad/slut. explanatory, not exculpatory.

    @al- that’s right, you’re in NYC. you should come too, if it somes off – why not? @LILGRL- i get to the bay area from time to time and will probably be there for a week in early Nov as part of my training program. so – hold that thought.

    @obs- no one was fucking with you. you were having a point-by-point exchange on a set of issues, and you up and called her psycho. mandy/joe are correct that her online personsa is not particularly feminine, but so what? and although you’re right that she did kinda make a blaknet racist-type statement (blacks as a race have NPD), she withdrew it later, in the context of a pretty good exchange. a certain amount of rhetorical overstatement is not uncommon here.

    your reaction is what surprised me. you’ve correctly ignored much worse racial taunts, correctly because they’re pointless and stupid. and that wasn’t even a racial taunt- the comment that set you off had to do with poor black people abandoning dangerous neighborhoods in north philly. this is controversial how exactly? (maybe a little too close to home or something?)

    sure you can get angry and flame people. everyone does it from time to time- there are posters here who piss me off too.

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  472. Obsidian is onto something important regarding HBD. There are indeed trade-offs for nearly everything. Earlier I made the point that T levels were controlled by a feed-back loop. This tends to modulate circulating levels. If T were all good, more is better, etc. we would all have maximum, soaking levels. It is easy for the body to make. There are obviously costs associated with it..
    Same with height. Genes for less-than-Masai height did not come out of nowhere.
    S.E. Asians have an abundance of a certain kind of intelligence. Good on them. But over and over again in the history of that region a period of innovation and technological progress was halted because someone told them to stop doing it. And they did. Like, “Stop making guns and ships and then forget how you did it.” Answer, “Whatever you say, master.”
    Whatever was behind that behavior it is not a quality that really benfits them in the long run and they would be better off it they had more of its opposite.

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  473. Cuntrag:
    “The One? I don’t recall talking about Jesus on this thread.”
    —No, you just implied anyone voting against him must have evil motives, for no good person could ever turn against The One.

    “I’m not going to say anything to this.”
    —Considering your line of argument consists of anecodote–get over losing your shit, theives deserve it—Nobama is great, that’s a good choice.

    “why are you so obsessed with everything I say?”
    —stupidity must always be called out, lest someone mistake it for intelligent thought.

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  474. Poll: Is Mandy XD really Jeannene Garofolo in disguise?

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  475. Poll: Is Mandy XD really Jeannene Garofolo in disguise?
    Oops…forgot to say great post! Looking forward to your next one.

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  476. —stupidity must always be called out, lest someone mistake it for intelligent thought.

    Poll: Is Mandy XD really Jeannene Garofolo in disguise?

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  477. Has anyone seen Public Enemies yet? Just saw it last night. Definitely deserves a post. Dillinger is the smoothest mother fucker on the planet. He just takes Marion Cotillard. Just decides that’s gonna be his girl and she is.

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  478. dana

    there is an entire continent full of black people in dire need of educated western leaders. i would suggest all of the poor blacks in the US that are so unhappy with how excluded they are could do a great deal to help out their brethren in the motherland.

    you “feel excluded” because you consistently refuse to assimilate. that’s it. blacks keep separate values, politics, language, art, music, literature, movies, food, dance, sport.

    my ancestors were a proud and noble indigenous people.

    they left their mother land when they hated the circumstances – with around .00043% of the bitching, whining, death and destruction of our most noisy minority.

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  479. Thanks, Seeking Alpha. Can we get more movie reviews from you? I’m just dying to hear your oscar picks.

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  480. Seeking_Alpha

    Has anyone seen Public Enemies yet? Just saw it last night. Definitely deserves a post. Dillinger is the smoothest mother fucker on the planet. He just takes Marion Cotillard. Just decides that’s gonna be his girl and she is.

    Jonny Depp is NOT Jonny Dillinger, no matter the initials.

    it’s a fucking movie

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  481. Jonny Depp is NOT Jonny Dillinger, no matter the initials.

    it’s a fucking movie

    You’re a fucking genius firepower.

    For your benefit… the CHARACTER Dillinger is the smoother mother fucker on the planet. You know, like every other post on movies Roissy has done?

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  482. on July 9, 2009 at 9:49 am D. Ray Morton

    @Willard Libby: “Michelle looks like a tall ape. First Gorilla. Obama is another example of a successful guy with a dog, or in his case ape, wife.”

    And yet, *he* had to chase *her.*

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  483. Obsidian is onto something important regarding HBD. There are indeed trade-offs for nearly everything.

    Ya, if evolution is an arms race, the more complicated the arms, the greater the likelyhood of smashing yourself in the face with your own mace, or of mutual annihilation, or of eating up all the resources on your island.

    Very often winning the battle becomes losing the war, and intelligence is never smart enough to discern a battle from a war. Intelligence is always inventing new stuff but can’t ever see the consequences of invention.

    It isn’t our salvation, that’s for sure.

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  484. obama is an interesting character in that his political rise came through his connections with white liberals and not through the black political machine. this is why i found the sight of jesse jackson’s crocodile tears when obama won to be so funny/disgusting; this is the same guy who campaigned against obama – because he wasn’t black enough – when he ran for congress in 2000.

    here’s a question: how would a more ‘typically-black’ president handle medvedev? WWMBD – what would marion barry do? also, would a black conservative or white prole handle this better?

    as the power of the rust-belt states decline it’s possible that our politicians are going to increasingly come from swpl stock. what does that mean for international relations?

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  485. Mandy! XD

    I was hopeful that I could have a respectful discussion w/Dana, despite her racial flamethrowing outta nowhere. But when she apparently refused to deal with my replies to her arguments

    She’s cheerfully and deliberately – ignoring you.

    she kicked major ass. be wary of debating Anthropology types who survived the indoctrination of today’s political re-education camps: college.

    if they survived the gulag for 4+ years – they will triumph anywhere.

    Anthros know all your secrets

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  486. here’s a question: how would a more ‘typically-black’ president handle medvedev? WWMBD – what would marion barry do? also, would a black conservative or white prole handle this better?

    I’m reminded of Chapelle’s stand-up

    ‘Sign the treaty man… I’ll suck yo dick’

    Maybe Marion Barry is a bad example.

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  487. I’m reminded of Chapelle’s stand-up

    ‘Sign the treaty man… I’ll suck yo dick’

    Maybe Marion Barry is a bad example.

    sad, but true SA… sad, but true.

    the modern-day black political machines are the descendants of the old white ethnic machines that used to run our big cities. it’s real shady shit, and i’d argue that they’ve done as much, if not more, harm to blacks as jim crow.

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  488. Maurice,
    Dr Alvin Poussaint, of Harvard U, has suggested that Racism is a Mental Disorder-a Disease-and that it afflicts many Whites and a not insignificant number of Blacks, etc, as well. It seems to be a mental illness we share as Americans, as common as say, ADHD.

    When I see someone like Dana-a highly educated, well travelled person, who hails from a group of people who are reknown for their erudition and as well, for their own unique history insofar as racial persecution is concerned, making the kinds of statements that Dana has, it does cause one like me, who is familar with the work of Poussaint, Dr. Na’im Akbar, and others, to consider their mental state.

    Dana has said that she grew up in Wynnefield Heights, which is right outside Wynnefield proper, here in Philly. Do you know who comes from Wynnefield, Maurice?

    Ever heard of a guy named Will Smith?

    Yup, he comes from Wynnefield, which many consider the Black Chestnut Hill of Philly. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of folk just like Smith, they’re just not famous-educated, gainfully employed, upwardly mobile and aspiring, nothing at all like their inner city brethren who live only a few miles away.

    So, how is it possible for Dana to say such a litany of horrid things, having seen where the Will Smiths of the world come from? How?

    Always remember Maurice-once you have eliminated the probable, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    Dana knows for a fact that all Black folk don’t act in the ways she says, she’s seen it with her own eyes, yet she persists, in holding onto a set of clearly delusional beliefs, not based on a clear, simple majority of Black folk backed up by evidence (again, I cite how she mangled Inductivist’s data), but on a small minority of a group, then the only conclusion one can come away from it all is that the bitch must be fucking crazy.

    Yea. Parsimony, Occam’s Razor, commonsense, The Force, whatever you wanna call it, all roads lead to the place they sent Murphy for that one.

    I believe, that it was Socrates who once said that the beginning of all things, is by calling them by their proper names. Dana, by her actions, and based on the evidence, much of which she has presented, suggests strongly that she is hysterical.

    Willard and Apeman are just idiotic. Dana is potentially psychotic. And in a much stronger position, so she says, to seriously hurt others.
    I trust you can connect the dots from here.

    The Obsidian

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  489. Epoxytocin

    She’s in a good relationship. Therefore, that’s probably not really her decision.

    Also, if swallowing is a reward, my man, you need to up your bedroom standards.

    And if she’s still gagging at the thought of come in her mouth, you’ll have to acclimatize her. Something like; “open your mouth, open it, open!” will have to do. Then a congratulatory “Good bitch. Good little bitch”.

    Ya, sex and dominance play go hand in hand. If she doesn’t swallow, it only means she doesn’t swallow yet.

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  490. There were some comments about Michelle Obama’s attractiveness upthread.

    Michelle is quite masculine. She has the jawline of Rock Hudson.

    See this. Utterly outrageous, beyond any reasonable comprehension:

    http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/06/michelle-obama-on-maxims-hot-100.html

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  491. Seeking_Alpha

    You’re a fucking genius firepower.

    For your benefit… the CHARACTER Dillinger is the smoother [sic] mother fucker on the planet. You know, like every other post on movies Roissy has done?

    Thanks for looking out for my benefit.

    Everyone knows I’m a fucking genius; more important: I know I’m a fucking genius. Still, I haven’t determined what the fuck you are. Yet.

    I’ll try, but it’s tricky – judging your mental capacity as one who proudly learns his history (and alpha moves) from topical Hollywood movies. You might send Supercool Giant Transformer Robots to punish me if you disagree.

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  492. Firepower –

    What’re you being a dick for?

    I never made a comment about history and everyone here including our host agrees that movies can provide a source for studying social dynamics.

    So what happened? Someone piss in your Corn Flakes this morning? Why the bad mood?

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  493. cptnapalm

    lilgrl:
    Your boyfriend is awesome, so you should probably do some swallowing tonight.

    I’ve now drunk half a fifth of Seagram’s…

    Dude. RLY?

    That’s b-a-d. Not in the Dead Michael Jackson Way either.

    No drunk typing for you anymore.

    SRSLY

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  494. Poor Seeking is seeing his dream turned into a nightmare: he’s getting gangbanged by two guys, but its all online.

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  495. Lance,
    While I definitely agree w/your analysis, I’m always struck by how some Whites suddenly find their Moral & Ethical Mojo *just in time* to lecture Black folks, who aint doin’ nothing more than what the Dalys and Bush’s etc et al have been doing in this country forever, about how wrong it is to be playing into racial/ethnic politics. If it was so wrong to do it, why did so many Whites persist in it for so long, then?

    Again: once you have eliminated the probable, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

    Use Occam’s Razor, instead of a butterknife.

    Politics is about POWER, and in America, perhaps in more ways than anywhere else, that means along racial lines. This is why so many Whites handwring themselves into a tizzy at the mere thought of a Black person, especially a Male, potentially taking the reigns of power-they understand, much more than they let on, how things went down in this country for Black folk, and know that old habits, and grudges, die hard. Which explains the exodus anytime a Black Man gets elected Top Dawg of a major American city.

    Think about it.

    O

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  496. Seeking_Alpha

    Firepower –

    What’re you being a dick for?

    I never made a comment about history and everyone here including our host agrees that movies can provide a source for studying social dynamics.

    So what happened? Someone piss in your Corn Flakes this morning? Why the bad mood?

    Maybe it came across wrong.

    My original suggestion to you was to be cautious of using scripted, fictitious Hollywood examples and then, interpret these into real life as instructions for game.

    There is an entire Lost Generation of PUAs who think Tyler Durden (the Pitt one) is an inspiration.

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  497. Dana,
    My track record in this forum stands for itself, easily verified by members who have been here far longer than you. I am quite content to have them tell you what I’m all about.

    We’ll skip over your baseless Ad Homs and address your claims of intellectual honesty-if you’re serious about that claim, you can demonstrate it by answering my replies to arguments you’ve put forth in this forum. As I’ve said earlier this morning, they are pointed and detailed. I await your reply in kind.

    O

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  498. You’re missing the point. The President achieved a foreign policy coup in Russia.

    We will now be able to make military flights to Afghanistan through Russian airspace for free. Let that sink in for a moment and reflect on this fact: US troops and US weapons will be transiting over the territory of our former arch-enemy so that we (and our NATO allies) can continue to wage a vital war in their back fucking yard.

    Where is that fact in your hackneyed play by play?

    Oh, and for those who would like to see the visual and temporal context of the photograph from which has been cherry-picked for effect, you can see it in the closing seconds of this video:

    http://video.nytimes.com/video/playlist/world/europe/1194811622213/index.html#1194841378334

    Medvedev isn’t rudely and casually ignoring the President, he’s hastily and nervously departing the stage because he doesn’t want to be caught in another herb-tacular pose like this:

    Only 1 in 8 Russians believe Medvedev is in charge, obviously considering Putin to be his puppet master. Who knows whether that’s the case or not, but its sure as hell true that George Bush didn’t convince Vladamir Putin to let us fly our military over Russia, did he?

    So, in one word: SCOREBOARD.

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  499. Firepower

    My original suggestion to you was to be cautious of using scripted, fictitious Hollywood examples and then, interpret these into real life as instructions for game.

    I couldn’t agree more. Following, for instance, Forgetting Sarah Marshall and thinking you can get a crazy hot Hawaiian girl by weeping all day is a recipe for trouble.

    But if we take the basics of Dillinger’s character in the movie, I think we’d all agree that they’re good precepts.

    – Few words. He doesn’t talk, talk, talk, showing how witty he is. He makes his point in as few words as possible.

    – Leading his woman instead of asking. ‘Go wait outside. I’ll meet you’. ‘You’re gonna be my girl’. etc.

    I’m not writing it as well as Roissy would in a post, but the first point is especially important.

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  500. Here’s the bottomline Dana-you got serious issues to work out, which isn’t uncommon for some Jews, I understand. Luckily for you, there are many mental health professionals of Jewish background that can be of assistance to you.

    Obsidian… as long as that paragraph is out there, unrecanted, your claims of intellectual honesty and fair argument are baseless. Not because it’s right or wrong, but because it was cowardly ad hom at its worst.

    No different than someone else saying ‘I understand you might have trouble grasping my argument because you’re not very smart – a lot of blacks have that problem’. You’d get pissed at that, and rightfully so.

    So at least have the courage to admit your own mistakes instead of playing the innocent victim.

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  501. O went off the deep end on this one, since his knee jerk reaction to white guys criticizing Nobama is “white guys have a problem with his being black.”

    I said it before: he’s rapidly becoming Foreman from House.

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  502. SmartyJones,
    Wrt Sowell, again, my point is that Michael Eric Dyson has actually done more along the lines you suggested, molding younger minds educationally, than Sowell has-and keep in mind, that Dyson is every bit as prolific a published author as is Sowell, if not moreso. He has taught at many of the country’s topflight uni’s. We cannot say the same of Sowell.

    This does not suggest that Sowell’s writings are not in themselves without any value. Without a doubt they are. The question becomes, of value-to who? As I’ve said, Sowell is in the same camp as Malkin and D’Souza, and formerly JC Watts and Glenn Loury, more for the massaging of White egos than the real upliftment of Black folk they claim need to change their misbehavin’ ways. If Sowell was really about it, he’d do what Dyson does, and participates in the yearly Tavis Smiley forums, or spends time out there in LA trying to reach wayward Black guys, etc. Say what you want of Julianne Maveaux, a fellow economist, and someone who is solidly on the Left, but she’s actually doing more to reach Black folk, than Sowell, first by her direct work in Black America, and second by recently becoming president of Bennet College one of two such institutions for Black Women. If Sowell became president of say, Morehouse, then he’d be really saying something.

    What he, Malkin, D’Souza and Steele come accross as, is little more than a perverted affirmative action Useful Idiot Cabal there to assauge the strange and odd feelings of Whites on the Right. They are little more than a mirror image of what goes down on the Democratic Left, no matter how much they may wanna deny it. None of these folk have any real track record actually DOING anything, they are all subsisting on the grantwriter’s tit.

    So, yea, Sowell is an interesting writer, and goes to show that Black folk certainly aint monolithic. But is he a real player, a part of the solution, for real?

    ….

    O

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  503. obsidian i have read every single word you have ever typed here–i have been mostly lurking for a very very long time. nothing about you being here a long time refutes anything i’ve said to you. you made it all personal. you are not “Blacks” anymore than i am “Women”. if i am not mistaken we pretty specifically discuss GROUP traits and GROUP behavior here–no?

    I answered every single one of your arguments and you ignored my every point, cf. the exchange on the inductivist post which i went and read and reanalyzed. i am not scrolling through 1000 posts to answer them all again.

    by the way, an ad hominem argument isn’t an insult or a personal comment made in discourse–its a personal statement about your interlocutor offered to refute their point. that is your entire MO, countering a three paragraph argument with “you need therapy” is an ad hominem argument.

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  504. — how would a more ‘typically-black’ president handle medvedev? WWMBD – what would marion barry do?

    Barry is somethign of a clown. Better examples woudl be Clarence Thomas (if his career had taken an executive rather than a judicial path), Adrian Fenty, or even that loudmouth Al Sharpton.

    — as the power of the rust-belt states decline it’s possible that our politicians are going to increasingly come from swpl stock.

    Revolutions happen and ruling classes are overthrown. There is something very … anemic about our SWPL ruling class. A ruling class that despises its lesser coethnics in favor of their alien counterparts is like a tree with no roots.

    — i second chuck on prolesville and trailertown. i wish you were right, but you’re wrong.

    You guys are both missing the big picture in that the folks of Prolesville and Trailertown are analogous to the medieval Euriopean peasants, in that while ignorant, there were plenty of unrealized seeds of genius in their population stock.

    You are exaggerating the meth stereotypes of rural America and things like crappy educational system or regional economic problems are not tha tpermanent in the big scheme of things.

    America does not need foreign talent. Quit the enthusiasm for importing foreigners, whatever their skills. An influx of educated foreigners is no less destructive to America’s social fabric as is low-skill immigration.

    We have plenty of our own untapped talent, which has the bonus of being culturally one of us, and not being loyal to some distant “mother country.”

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  505. Seeking Alpha & Lurker,
    Please review all I’ve said wrt Dana, and please do not quote me out of context. Please also see my comments where I’ve cited Poussaint’s work, among other prominent Black psychologists. If you then disagree w/my handling of Dana, you can then give a point for point refutation as to why.

    Lurker, again recall the fact that the biggest criticism I could give Obama is in not giving him my vote. I have no problem with you or anyone else criticizing him. What I have a problem with is w/the racial animus-assisted zeal w/which you and others grind your axes when it comes to Obama. Again, I don’t need to attack him or his wife in order to make my arguments against him. I only need hardheaded, straightahead policy points. As someone who has taken far and away more heat for going against the grain wrt Obama than anyone else here, trust me, I know how to work a crowd. The most diehard Obama supporters in the hood couldn’t come back w/a rational response after I laidout the evidence. Had I gone you and others here route, that of coming off more like Conan O’Brien than Henry Kissinger, I would not have gotten anywhere.

    So, you fine gentlemen were laying out, point for point, WHY you disagree w/my treatment of Dana…

    The Obsidian

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  506. We have plenty of our own untapped talent, which has the bonus of being culturally one of us, and not being loyal to some distant “mother country.”

    To be fair, we have no idea if this is true or not. America is, for the most part, a meritocracy. If there is a large labor shortage – whether skilled or unskilled – it’s probably not because of misallocated intellectual capital.

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  507. Please review all I’ve said wrt Dana, and please do not quote me out of context. Please also see my comments where I’ve cited Poussaint’s work, among other prominent Black psychologists. If you then disagree w/my handling of Dana, you can then give a point for point refutation as to why.

    You’re a coward. Have the honesty to admit what you’ve said and don’t hide behind ‘out of context’. There was no context to the ‘Jewish’ slant of your comments. Unless Poussaint wrote specifically about Jews, you did it to strike a nerve.

    Which a lot of us do in our heated comments. But we also admit when we’re doing it.

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  508. — To be fair, we have no idea if this is true or not.

    Very disingenuous and wrong. There are young kids in every corner of the country who ace theri SATs or otherwise show promise.

    — America is, for the most part, a meritocracy.

    Let it be an internal meritocracy, not a global one.

    — If there is a large labor shortage – whether skilled or unskilled – it’s probably not because of misallocated intellectual capital.

    There will always be a “labor shortage” when cheaper foreigners tempt the traitor CEOs.

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  509. Very disingenuous and wrong. There are young kids in every corner of the country who ace theri SATs or otherwise show promise.

    I didn’t say there aren’t smart kids in the rural areas. I said we have no idea if the majority of them are going on to be doctors and engineers or very overqualified gas station attendants.

    In other words, there is no question we have lots of potential. The question is if it’s untapped potential.

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  510. wow—look at this—rich women willingly being drug mules for Mexican drug lords.

    roissy is right, again:

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6520467.html

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  511. we have no idea if the majority of them are going on to be doctors and engineers or very overqualified gas station attendants.

    Well, then we agree that in essense, there is no need to import foreigners. Making adjustments in our incentive structures all that is needed.

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  512. Dana,
    No, barrister, you have NOT answered any of my counter charges tonyour comments made on this thread. Let’s count the ways:

    1. I offered evidence that Black folk taken as a group aren’t out to grind an axe against Whites. You mangled the data to an extent that even an innocent bystander, Mandy, could see and she actually called you on it.

    2. I called you on your “diagnosis” of Black folk the NPD thing, first asking what qualifications you have to make such an analysis, and again, another innocent bystander, Joe, had to agree w/me, that it was beyond the pale.

    3. I directly countered your flimsy chargs that Black folk are “foreign” and “seperate” by citing one of the biggest names on the Right, Pat Buchanan, who has repeatedly said that Black Americans share the same culture as do Whites.

    4. After you revealed a bit about your Philly background, I then countered your other baseless group assertions about Black folk by mentioning Will Smith, and went further to note that if you came where you say you did, and you are indeed in your 30s, then surely you must know who he is, and that he is in no way a fluke, as he hails from a part of Philly that produces such people all the time, they’re just not famous. I have yet to hear your response.

    On the basis of your remarks, coupled with your background as you have rendered it, and considering the work of Harvard’s Dr. Poussaint, it is my view that you may indeed be suffering from a mental disorder. If you disagree you can counter in kind the way I’ve done, instead of trying to slip by me w/non-sequiturs and Ad Homs.

    So, your detailed responses to the above are…?

    The Obsidian

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  513. Well, then we agree that in essense, there is no need to import foreigners. Making adjustments in our incentive structures all that is needed.

    We don’t agree. It’s possible that you’re right – every job an immigrant does could be done by an American. I said that I have no idea if this is true and neither do you.

    For instance, and it’s much more complicated than this but I’m trying to make it simple, if this country needs 1,000,000 computer science engineers today, but only 800,000 Americans are both smart enough and qualified, what do we do?

    You’re right that we could change the incentive structure, but that has a lag time of many, many years.

    Would you rather have an engineering shortfall and not be living up to our potential as a nation, or would you rather have skilled immigrants come in?

    Now saying you’d choose the latter isn’t wrong. Its a choice. Nothing wrong with that. But you can’t say we don’t have to choose and be doing anything more than guessing.

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  514. Now saying you’d choose the latter isn’t wrong. Its a choice. Nothing wrong with that. But you can’t say we don’t have to choose and be doing anything more than guessing.

    I meant ‘choose the former’. I would choose the latter and I’d guess you would choose the former.

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  515. Seeking Alpha,
    Again, you have not offered a point for point refutation of that which I’ve said to Dana, and your mere Ad Homs will avail you naught. In no way was my statements speaking to Dana’s Jewish background accusatory or derogatory, they were illustrative of the logical fallacies she has engaged in herself.

    I await your refuations-fact based, sir.

    The Obsidian

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  516. Obsidian,

    i missed your long post about where i grew up before

    i grew up in overbrook farms, not wynnfield heights and next to a black family that was like the cleavers. i have shown beautiful 700k homes owned by blacks in cheltenham.

    of course i know there are blacks like that–and guess what–i want ALL blacks to be like that!! the black underclass is your undoing. they are destroying your collective chances. and THEY are the face your culture shows us now–not the cosbys.

    until the day blacks like you completely reject your underclass and support policies that would make their continued existence impossible they will dog you and harm you. a change in those policies would decimate the ranks of the white underclass too and good riddance to bad rubbish.

    i think i’m a LOT older than you obsidian–i’m not sure. i remember the 70s and 80s when all white families tuned in to the cosby show and racial ill will was likely at its lowest ebb in american history. something CHANGED–and it was the emergence of exclusive focus on the underclass in black culture. you think i prefer a trailer park in bensalem to 22nd and diamond obs? nyet

    you say thomas sowell isn’t helping because he doesn;t specifically help individual blacks like dyson–again, the fundamental error that you only help blacks by specifically targetting them for help.

    blacks have been almost irrevocably harmed by well intended policies that were aimed at HELPING them.

    if i tell you i DESPERATELY want to help black people, not by any crosshair micro program–but by destroying the entire edifice of philosophical and governmental developments i think destroyed them, do you believe me?

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  517. Obs

    Luckily for you, there are many mental health professionals of Jewish background that can be of assistance to you.

    Explain how this is illustrative or furthering your argument. Don’t just state that it is, explain it.

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  518. seeking, are you an objectivist?

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  519. seeking, are you an objectivist?

    Broadly. I agree with this paragraph from Wikipedia.

    Objectivism holds that reality exists independent of consciousness; that individual persons are in contact with this reality through sensory perception; that human beings can gain objective knowledge from perception through the process of concept formation and inductive and deductive logic; that the proper moral purpose of one’s life is the pursuit of one’s own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights, embodied in pure laissez faire capitalism; and that the role of art in human life is to transform man’s widest metaphysical ideas, by selective reproduction of reality, into a physical form—a work of art—that he can comprehend and to which he can respond emotionally.

    But I find Rand, like Roissy, too extreme to be idolized.

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  520. Dana,
    I reject your reasoning, not because of some misguided racial loyalty and/or due to some kind of racial shame on my part, but simply due to one reason, and one reason alone:

    Because I am an Individual, and demand that I be judged, not by what someone at 22nd & Diamond does that I don’t know and would probably find as abhorrent as you and anyone else here, but rather by my own works and the merit thereof.

    Period.

    White Americans like you need to make up your minds-are African Americans individuals, or not? If so, then all you’ve said is rendered null and void; if the former, then you can’t blame them for thinking along group consciousness lines, as quite a few other ethnic groups in America do and somehow manage to squelch their mention of doing so.

    Its really as simple as that.

    I thought you were a longtime lurker and knew well my views?

    O

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  521. […] is the original post: Spot The Alpha: Big Face Edition « Roissy in DC Share and […]

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  522. Seeking Alpha,
    It is a documented fact that Jewish people are quite well represented relative to their overall population in the USA in the Mental Health fields. It was within that context, since it has been shown that sharing afffinities along ethnic and gender lines can be helpful in offering treatment to patients, that I made my comments to Dana.

    Still awaiting your point for point refutation of my comments to Dana in their entirety and within fuller context. Sir.

    O

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  523. on July 9, 2009 at 11:31 am Seeking_Alpha

    Still awaiting your point for point refutation of my comments to Dana in their entirety and within fuller context. Sir.

    You’ve made it clear that you can’t be honest about yourself. I don’t think there’s any point in continuing the discussion.

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  524. Seeking_Alpha

    @Firepower

    But if we take the basics of Dillinger’s character in the movie, I think we’d all agree that they’re good precepts

    In a novel, or a novel adapted to a movie, or a screenplay simply made into a movie, I value the actions of a fictitious character as concepts, instead of precepts.

    If I had witnessed the real Dillinger’s actual success/failure with females, those, I could value as precepts.

    Gangster movies come and go; most are romanticized. For instance: Warren Beatty in Bonnie & Clyde. I’d much rather learn pussy lore from the actual Warren Beatty than “Clyde Barrow, as played by Warren Beatty.”

    Although, Warren would advise, “be hot, look cool – and be a Hollywood movie star – and you’ll get tons of ass.”

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  525. if this country needs 1,000,000 computer science engineers today, but only 800,000 Americans are both smart enough and qualified, what do we do?

    Train 200,000 Americans.

    You’re right that we could change the incentive structure, but that has a lag time of many, many years.

    Better start now, then. The way you want to set it up, the deficit is permanent and eternal – the problem won’t be solved after a certain lag time, it will never be solved.

    Would you rather have an engineering shortfall and not be living up to our potential as a nation, or would you rather have skilled immigrants come in?

    Wait a minute, not training our own people and importing foreigners to do our work for us is how we “live up to our potential”? In my world you live up to your potential by doing your own work no matter how hard it is or how long it takes.

    you can’t say we don’t have to choose and be doing anything more than guessing.

    Seems to me you’re just guessing about how many and what types of immigrant brains we need.

    A lot of the so-called gap that we need to redress with smart immigrants results from American companies not wanting to pay Americans enough. There are plenty of smart, properly trained Americans, but companies would prefer to hire an immigrant and pay them less than they’d have to pay an American. In short, it’s really an economic issue, not a lack of American-born brains issue.

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  526. man this board moves fast and the comments are ong–i keep missing them

    “1. I offered evidence that Black folk taken as a group aren’t out to grind an axe against Whites. You mangled the data to an extent that even an innocent bystander, Mandy, could see and she actually called you on it.”

    you offered an INTERPRETATION of evidence that i disagreed with and countered with MY interpretation–i doisagree that those gss numbers showed no animus–i specifically said i think they showed blacks favored INTEGRATION and specifically said i believed that showed not a lack of animus but a desire to reap the benefits of living among whites–i proffered the one question whos anser DIDN”T in any way relate to the benefits of integration, the one regarding whether black pride or working together was more important irrespective of the effect on race relations as EVIDENCE of MY assertion that it wasn;t lack of black animus at issue but again the desire to benefit from whites

    2. “I called you on your “diagnosis” of Black folk the NPD thing, first asking what qualifications you have to make such an analysis, and again, another innocent bystander, Joe, had to agree w/me, that it was beyond the pale. “

    you do not need qualifications to make a statement in a messageboard regarding an entire cultures SELF represented image. cultures have dominant philosophical and personality traits, thats why we are so easily able to stereotype, germans are efficient, jews are crafty, blacks like to dance. there is an ENTIRE VISIBLE black culture in the US obs, we can SEE you we are watching..l there are national black reactions to incidents on television. you have leaders who speak for you in the media. you have music, movies art and literature that can be analyze dfor its content. the wounded fragile ego blacks PRESENT to whites in their culture–the narcissistic rage blacks fly into when anyone questions their image of themselves and the cultural obsession they demonstrate with themselves and total lack of curiosity about other culture are all typical of narcissistic personality writ large. jews and asians tend to have a more autism spectrum like culture–so?

    3. “I directly countered your flimsy chargs that Black folk are “foreign” and “seperate” by citing one of the biggest names on the Right, Pat Buchanan, who has repeatedly said that Black Americans share the same culture as do Whites. ”

    ok, 1. appealing to pat buchanan is the logical fallacy known as “appeal to authority” and 2. if you are going to appeal to authority know which authorities your interlocutor values. i am not a conservative, i am 12 kinds of libertarian and think pat buchanan is an archaic religious nobody.

    you COMPLETELY ignored that i pointe dout several white ethnicities who ALSO act like “foreigners” and INCLUDED MY OWN in that. i gave a detailed explanation of what i specifically think makes an ethne in the US lik eunto foreigners and included irish, italians and jews.

    you forget the comment on people in US acting like foreigners was specifically proffered to address YOUR comments that blacks are ‘excluded’. my argument was that blacks and jews and ANYONE else that refuses to assimiliate to the dominant culture excluded THEMSELVES>

    4. After you revealed a bit about your Philly background, I then countered your other baseless group assertions about Black folk by mentioning Will Smith, and went further to note that if you came where you say you did, and you are indeed in your 30s, then surely you must know who he is, and that he is in no way a fluke, as he hails from a part of Philly that produces such people all the time, they’re just not famous. I have yet to hear your response.

    people like what? entertainers? i assign no value to entertainers, so i don’t see your point.

    i addressed black middle class neighborhoods in a separate response.

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  527. on July 9, 2009 at 11:43 am Seeking_Alpha

    Seems to me you’re just guessing about how many and what types of immigrant brains we need.

    Of course I’m guessing. That was my point. That what PA said was fact was just a guess, and would be better served by admitting it as such.

    There are plenty of smart, properly trained Americans, but companies would prefer to hire an immigrant and pay them less than they’d have to pay an American.

    This is also a guess. But I’d like to suggest another way to look at it. Salary levels for a given profession aren’t ‘chosen’ by the company – they’re (broadly) set by the market.

    There’s also the demand side of the companies decision. Again, a hypothetical offered to illustrate that the situation can be more complex than simple platitudes.

    Cisco can hire all American workers and charge $250 for their product or hire a mix of workers and charge $120 for their product. At $250, few customers are willing to buy the product, so it can’t be made. At $120, many customers are willing to buy the product, and it’s successful.

    Just food for thought. I don’t have all the answers on this issue, but I do want to point out that neither does anyone else.

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  528. on July 9, 2009 at 11:47 am Seeking_Alpha

    Firepower

    I agree with everything you said. Maybe a better way of expressing what I felt is this:

    It was a pleasure to see Depp as Dillinger embody many of the traits we all agree make the classic, stoic alpha male in a way few characters in movies do these days.

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  529. Dana,
    My point in mentioning Pat Buchanan wasn’t based on my political affiliation or yours, but to point out that even a died in the wool Paleoconservative like Buchanan can see that African Americans and White Americans are a heck of a lot more alike than different.

    First of all, most Black folks are Christian, a point I noted to your own a little ways back in the thread and which you never responded.

    Next, Black folk overwhelmingly celebrate Christmas, Thanksgiving, New Year’s Halloween, St. Patrick’s Day, 4th of July, and other cultural traditions.

    Black folks have overwhelmingly Anglo names.

    And Black folks wear Western/American clothing, eat American food, and so on.

    Now, I ask anyone here, not just you Dana, but anyone-is what I, and Buchanan saying here, for the most part, true or false?

    Next, Black folks want to intergrate w/Whites not to leech off them-do you consider all those Blacks out in Cheltenham Township to be “leeches”? No, the reason is they want their children to be MORE AMERICAN, not less. That’s right, Dana. You heard it here. Black folks think it is extremely limiting, in an essentially White country, to limit oneself culturally, socially and otherwise, just to Black folks. This explains why, for example, for all the angst it caused White folk, the NOI NEVER got a mass groundswell of Black folks like SNCC, and the NAACP did.

    Moreover I didn’t mention Will Smith to name drop or whatever, but to illustrate the point that all Black folk don’t come from the hardcore inner city. Many are just like Smith, suburban, middle class, highly educated, etc. American in every way. Again.

    And by now I trust you’ve seen my reply to your Black middle class post.

    O

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  530. @lance, S_A- ah, marion barry. making the district of columbia proud since 1975, and still going strong.

    @obs on that point- there’s really not white flight every time a black mayor is elected. there was tom bradley in LA, harold washington in chicago, and andrew young in atlanta. all great black mayors. david dinkins in NY. these differ from barry and, say, kilpatrick in detroit because they had to play to the white, ethnic, and other constituencies and not just the black base.

    @obs, dana- well, you are both very smart and informed, so i hope some meeting of the minds can occur. let me take a stab in that direction.

    obs, you cited poussaint in asserting that racism was a mental disorder. (name the book/article, pelase – i’d be happy to take a look.) however, dana seemed to be looking at it more from an anthro point of view- that racism, including implicit racial favoritism, is a kind of extended tribalism. taking care of one’s own, protecting the larger group against more foreign, possibly hostile tribes. at least at the hindbrain level. i think that’s basically correct, but am open to other ideas.

    if so, dana’s points about race fit into that mold, even as they were a bit overstated. the idea of distinct subcultures within a larger culture, which describes the U.S. pretty well these days – not a melting pot but a stew. i disagree with the degree to which dana said this holds – black america is *obviously* part of america, and always has been – not an internal foreign country or whatever the phrase was. just a distinct subculture which has informed and enriched the mainstream white anglo culture in certain ways, as it has been influenced by it as well. as have many others, including jews, italians, various asian groups, whatever.

    the point about group race narcissism can also be viewed as an aspect of this anthro interpretation of racism, if also overstated and deliberately provocative. every tribe, every group, looks at the world through its own lens, with its own culture and needs in the forefront, and its own values and history firmly in place. so what? that’s natural and a well-known phenomenon. i agree with the phenomenon but not the excessively negative characterization.

    @dana- ok, now i’ll call you out. obs’s point about the black middle/professional class in philly is a good one. here in DC we have PG county, the largest black middle class jurisdiction in the country. i work alongside black professionals every day, as do most americans, as do you probably. so that point about “we’ll never tell you what we *really* think of you” is, frankly, a little racist and offensive. wrong, basically. or at least, should be recognized for what it is: the dark side of this anthro group trait outlined above. we can talk about ghetto pathologies, jewish paranoia/manipulation, asian clannishness, whatever the stereotype may be. and yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, because there’s a good dollop of truth to them. but in a serious discussion such as was taking place, blanket statements like that were frankly a little ou of place. obs was right to get offended. *I* was offended, event though i think i knew what you were talking about.

    holla back. let’s not turn this into a flame fest.

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  531. quick update: i missed a lot of obs/dana posts while i was writing, so if you addressed any of what i said, disregard. i’ll go back now to read

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  532. YEs obsidian i think all blacks are leeches ( and all women, and most other countries) on white (specifically anglo white, though there were some other euro influnces)western industrial technological development. i think they contributed absolutely nothing to it, and hate it and chop at its roots while demanding its benefits vocally and for free.

    ALL

    me too–i’m a leech, i make money by transferring wealth, not by generating wealth for others–i create little of value and what i do do thats of value was honed and perfected by…wait….white men!!! aka, contracts and private property.

    blacks and women contribute almost nothing to advanced technological civilization but consumption, pleasure and some maintenance–which isnt to say those things aren’t important

    my point was–if you recall–that if whites all disappeared tomorrow so would civilization and if blacks all disappeared tomorrow the worst thing that would happen is music would become cornier

    if women all left the university and workforce tomorrow it wouldn’t have one negative effect on advanced technological civilization

    that’s my point

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  533. Maurice,
    My point in citing Poussaint is, and there have been other studies along these lines as well, that if Dana knows for a fact that all Black don’t act in the way she initially wrote of them, knows this w/her own eyes, experience, direct interaction, etc, and allows a rather smaller subset of said group to form her worldview instead, to what do we attribute this? Poussaint suggests its a mental disorder, so do studies from other uni’s like Stanford.

    I think Poussain’t work is easily found online, as is Na’im Akbar, and other prominent Black psychologists.

    O

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  534. David Alexander

    Danger! You’re making a presumption that men of such high IQ would remain proles in the modern era instead of being college educated either working for a corporate or non-profit/government R&D, IT, or in the white collar professional world.

    Good point.

    This was actually the central point of The Bell Curve, contrary to most people’s impressions who haven’t read it, after the left did it’s best to savage it.

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  535. David Alexander / Doug1 You’re making a presumption that men of such high IQ would remain proles in the modern era

    I won’t claim to be a genetics expert, but I don’t think intelligence and talent are so simplistic as to require the presence of two manifestly brilliant parents.

    It’s most likely that in the vast swaths of 100 IQ flyover population, there are lots of kids, born and unborn, who have seeds of talent, or if not they, then their kids, through various workings of recessive genes and/or genetic combinations.

    In other words, we have plenty of our own raw material.

    if this country needs 1,000,000 computer science engineers today, but only 800,000 Americans are both smart enough and qualified, what do we do?

    Train 200,000 more people, pay better so that smart peopel in otehr industries transfer to this area, or innovate things so that 800,000 is plenty.

    This is a better solution than satisfying a dubious and temporary need through a permanent importation of alien faces & customs, along with their cousins, uncles, and brothers.

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  536. Doug,
    Actually, the Bell Curve missed quite a few points.

    Lately, I’ve been talking quite a bit about the hit tv show The Wire. It features Black drug kingpins like Stringer Bell, Propisition Joe, and Avon Barksdale. These and other guys in the show are far from dumb, in fact in many ways they might even be genius.

    However, due to the social order, which The Wire captures so very well, these Men never truly realize their potential, and all too often, wind up in jail or worse, dead.
    Richard Florida, author of books like The Creative Class, has mentioned that we as a nation are losing far too much talent, much of it on the streets of places like Baltimore, where The Wire takes place. Now don’t get me wrong, I think Murray and Herrenstein had a good point. The problem I had was in their assumptions-not everyone will be in position to maximize their talent, by virtue of where they’re born on the American social pecking order. Moreover, intelligence is not something that can be so rigidly measured.

    But perhaps the biggest gorilla in the middle of the room is the fact that “merit” aint all its cracked up to be-all too often its a foil, a facade, foisted on others by those who in fact hold all, at least, most of the cards. You certainly don’t need me to tell you how merely working hard and playing by the rules doesn’t ensure success. Happens all the time. Nor does it surprise you or anyone else here, that those on top aren’t necessarily the best and brightest, but the luckiest and the best connected.

    As America enters the 21st century, faced w/real domestic problems in a Globalized world, it will be forced to grapple with what it means to truly live in a Meritocracy, and who the winners and losers will be in it, and most importantly, what we do about it. I for one, am not optimistic we’ll come to our senses about any of this anytime soon.

    The Obsidian

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  537. This is also a guess.

    Not really. Look at any of the articles on http://www.cis.org/Guestworkers and it is pretty clear that the drive for H-1Bs is economic not a brain shortage. “We have the brains but don’t want to pay them” is a whole different kettle of fish than “the brains don’t exist so we must import them”.

    Salary levels for a given profession aren’t ‘chosen’ by the company – they’re (broadly) set by the market.

    If you pay immigrant workers less than prevailing market wage, then the prevailing wage goes down.

    Of course companies want to lower their labor costs and increase their profits, but that’s not a compelling reason to import unlimited numbers of low-wage immigrants, of which there is an essentially unlimited supply in just about any industry.

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  538. Dana writes:

    “my point was–if you recall–that if whites all disappeared tomorrow so would civilization and if blacks all disappeared tomorrow the worst thing that would happen is music would become cornier”

    Yes, yes. A thousand times yes. (though I’d add that the disappearance of rap could never be a bad thing and could only be a good thing).

    Blacks need whites to form stable, free and prosperous societies. Whites don’t need blacks for this. How many blacks understand, promote or peacefully accept this obvious truth? How many whites for that matter? They used to. I would venture to say that to the extent that blacks (and liberal white men and women) openly deny this truth, then they have an axe to grind against whites (and white men).

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  539. Dana’s most recent post again gives evidence and testimony to my suggestion that she suffers from a mental disorder. She says that not only do Blacks, but Women, only take and not add to, civilization.

    Nothing could be more absurd.

    This week has seen one of the world’s most recognizable names ever, Michael Jackson, put to rest. In his lifetime he has sold some 50 million albums, most of those being based on one-Thriller. How many people, indeed corporations, has he enriched?

    Michael Jordan, who is perhaps still the first name in Basketball, is the first true sneaker pitchman. His Air Jordan brand is legendary, and people worldwide still wear them. How much has he contributed to the worldwide economy?

    Oprah Winfrey is hailed as not only the richest Black Woman, but the richest self-made Woman period. She is worth easily, Billions. How much has she contributed to the American economy?

    And that’s just to name a scant few. Dana may see herself as a parasite, but I certainly don’t see myself in that light at all. I know, for a fact, that literally tens of MILLIONS of dollars has been made as a direct result of my labor and product output. Given what they pay me I am sure the company got a very good deal.

    Like I said, Racism is a Mental Disorder. Dana continues to give proof.

    The Obsidian

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  540. Andrew,
    I’m curious-what would this “gratitude” on the part of Blacks to Whites look like? And I’m very serious when I say this. I find questions like that Dana posed to be kind of silly, and remind me of something out of The Twilight Zone, but they obviously serve a deep psychic need for some White folk, so, so be it.

    But I need clarification here. Are you suggesting that Black folk, *enmasse*, are ungrateful? And if so, please give evidence of this?

    Thanks.

    O

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  541. blacks are leeches ( and all women, and most other countries) on white (specifically anglo white, though there were some other euro influnces)western industrial technological development. i think they contributed absolutely nothing to it, and hate it and chop at its roots while demanding its benefits vocally and for free.

    wow, that’s extreme. some psychological truth to it, though- more than literal truth. i can think of any number of non-white-male-anglo people who *chose* to fit into that culture and made contributions to it. so could you- no need to belabor it with a list.

    that’s a historical question as much as an anthro/group one – why did the west, specifically protestant europe/england, create the industrial revolution and modern prosperity? that’s a cultural question, and has mainly to do with economic systems involving property and individual rights, not race specifically. non-white groups generally do just as well when the fit into the freedom-and-opportunity matrix. that’s whty they seek it out, and that’s why (looping in the PA/S_A discussion of immigration) the best and brightest still try to come here.

    @PA- you’re right on a moral/public policy level, but wrong on a practical/business one. you seem to be saying, starve business of the workers they need in the short term to force the system to educate american workers for those jobs over the longer term. the market doesn’t wait for that – the jobs will disappear or go somewhere else.

    the better solution is to improve education at every level, so those bright kids can get those jobs. and a lot of that happens – one rare positive externality of the “diversity” fetish of the elite is that gifted kids from bumfuck idaho or wherever can usually get accepted/scholarships to great schools. but not as much as it should.

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  542. Obsidian,

    Well to take just a few examples, the epic joy displayed by black America over the OJ Simpson verdict, the wide-spread racial accusations by black America over Hurricane Katrina, the complete and total whitewashing of Jeremiah Wright were all big FU’s to white America. The absence of such outbursts would be evidence of a more properly ordered relationship between the races.

    Ultimately however, the discussion about reviving America, if it’s still possible to do so, is about getting whites to see the truth, not blacks. When all is said and done, the black experience is incidental and not integral to the American story. So you’re right to continually point out the obvious flaws that exist within white America.

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  543. p.s. @dana- the “attacking it at the roots” bit seems to be a slap at SWPL PC bullshit, pointless white-self fleagellation as much as anything blacks or other groups do. as both you and obs noted, blacks generally (self-serving alsharptonesque shitheads in the media and elsewhere excepted) wnat to integrate and move into themiddle class mainstream, while preserving those non-patholoical elements of their distinctive subculture.

    @obs re the wire- earlier you said you’d be more like brother mouzone. really? an NOI assassin? i had you totally pegged as a shorter version of stringer bell.

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  544. Obsidian —

    Dana knows for a fact that all Black folk don’t act in the ways she says, she’s seen it with her own eyes, yet she persists, in holding onto a set of clearly delusional beliefs, not based on a clear, simple majority of Black folk backed up by evidence (again, I cite how she mangled Inductivist’s data), but on a small minority of a group, then the only conclusion one can come away from it all is that the bitch must be fucking crazy.

    This is fricking ridiculous. Just because you don’t believe something is correct, and you think Dana has painted with too broad a brush (which I tend to agree with, but many do that, certainly often including you.) Dana never said all. You just inserted that. btw, I don’t agree with all of her points of view but your method of “refuting” her is pissing me off. It’s full of you playing the race card, in subtle ways, and holding those you argue with to different standards than yourself.

    Why don’t you quote what’s “delusional” instead of your broad strokes ab hominem Obsidian? The way I’m quoting you?

    You hardly ever back up anything you say with studies or evidence. Almost everything you talk about are your anecdotes and your impressions. That’s fine. Many of them are interesting and you have an insightful point of view, if sometimes rather broad brush when talking about others – whites or Asians. It’s not so fine for you to attack someone else’s lack of evidence or citations when you so rarely provide them yourself and when you do its just about never with links or other specifics. Instead you cite someone’s whole body of work. As you did with Pouissant. (Who’s thesis strikes me as absurd cultural Marxism. As though racism or other kinds of ethnic self regard and out or rival/conflict group disregard or hatred, isn’t endemic around the world in all groups, unless worked on hard to be moderated, as probably Anglosphere whites have done more than any other group, often at considerable costs to themselves.) Maybe Dana isn’t going as far on that as you’d like Obsidian. Maybe you’re a race man yourself.

    I believe, that it was Socrates who once said that the beginning of all things, is by calling them by their proper names. Dana, by her actions, and based on the evidence, much of which she has presented, suggests strongly that she is hysterical.

    Absurd. She was vastly less overwrought that you have become. Look rather to yourself, self proclaimed physician, for that diagnosis. At least in comparison.

    Willard and Apeman are just idiotic. Dana is potentially psychotic. And in a much stronger position, so she says, to seriously hurt others.
    I trust you can connect the dots from here.

    Psychotic? Who, her? Who’s sounding hysterical now?

    Apeman in particular is often crude when I do read him which isn’t much, and also full of racial animus. Yes.

    You however are hardly always or mostly on the defensive around here as you’re wishing to sound now. That’s a cloak you pull over yourself when you feel others are getting seriously tired of your endless harping on race and endless subtle touting of black male sexual supremacy. Which you do all the time.

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  545. @andrew e- that’s the alsharptonesque bullshit i was commeting on, but you’re right that it’s more widespread than that. it could be class thing – i know a number of well-educated black people who private call BS on OJ, Wright, whoever. but publicly, it’s probably the tribalism i was trying to outline above. all groups try to take care of their own, and that means misjudgements and protecting-the-guilty from time to time, even when that’s obviously wrong.

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  546. maurice–let’s pretend we are just talking about women and not blacks since it appears pretty lies only perish here regarding them and pointing out anything about blacks that makes them cry is still a shibboleth.

    everything you all complain about here that women/feminists/divorce theft/VAWA etc does chops at the roots of advanced western civilization PRECISELY for the reasons i outlined with regard to INTRA male trust, cooperation and private property rights.

    female hypergamy and rampant homosexuality has destroyed male trust on every level from the friendly to the ability to form coalitions to accomplish a task. the female desire to turn the government into an indulgent husband that only gives and makes no behavioral demands upon them is ultimately undermining private property rights from divorce theft to socialist expropriation of wages to fund “healthcare” and child support.

    blacks are the canary in the coalmine of all of this as the left has been experimenting on them with impunity since at least the great society.

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  547. on July 9, 2009 at 1:07 pm Seeking_Alpha

    The problem I had was in their assumptions-not everyone will be in position to maximize their talent, by virtue of where they’re born on the American social pecking order….But perhaps the biggest gorilla in the middle of the room is the fact that “merit” aint all its cracked up to be-all too often its a foil, a facade, foisted on others by those who in fact hold all, at least, most of the cards.

    Stringer or Avon could have risen to the top the traditional way. They were smart enough and driven enough. Nothing would have stopped them.

    But it would have taken longer than the drug route. It’s not that the legal route was impossible. They were just impatient.

    And while I can sympathize, it doesn’t mean they were forced.

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  548. Doug,
    Again, let’s put it to the test right now, OK?

    CALLING ALL LADIES OF THE ROISSY FORUM:

    If you could choose who you would like to spend an evening with, would it be:

    A: Willard Libby

    Or

    B: Obsidian

    Based on all that you know of both Men in this forum?

    SECOND QUESTION FOR ALL LADIES OF THE ROISSY FORUM

    Based on either your own direct experience, or your observation, conversation etc w/other White and/or Non-Black Women, in your estimation who tends to have *more* Natural Game, and, who tends to be better in the bedroom:

    White Males
    Black Males
    Hispanic Males
    Asian Males

    I’ll respond to Doug’s other points in a minute. But I really do hope ALL the lady regulars chime in on this, so we can settle this point.

    Holla back, Ladies

    The Obsidian

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  549. maurice–

    Good job on your most recent long post. I agree with just about everything in it, what you said to both dana and obsidian, and the tone you’re trying to set as well. It would be a good place to go towards.

    This comment:

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/spot-the-alpha-big-face-edition/#comment-102709

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  550. @dana-

    everything you all complain about here that women/feminists/divorce theft/VAWA etc does chops at the roots of advanced western civilization PRECISELY for the reasons i outlined with regard to INTRA male trust, cooperation and private property rights.

    true enough, that’s gospel here. but all of those were caused by, or supported by, the white male elite – the descendents of those same creators of civilization. the stewards of same, who thought they were expanding and improving said civilization with enlightened views on women. well, live and learn. but it was evidently a *mistake* on the part of that elite, one stretching over decades of good intentions (gone wrong), than a deliberate attenmpt to destroy civilzation from within. right? thoughts?

    how do you fix that mistake? wish i knew.

    blacks are the canary in the coalmine of all of this as the left has been experimenting on them with impunity since at least the great society.

    now there’s something you and obs certainly agree on.

    @obs- will wait for the other points, but that post pretty much showed doug’s point- racial/sexual baiting. i’m sure there are lots of black men who are lousy at game or lousy in the sack, just as there are whites and asians who are good. *you* may be an adept game practitioner, and i think it’s generally agreed that black men have a different kind of game, more direct, higher T, whatever. but it doesn’t have predictive power at the individual level.

    speaking of which, @obs re thomas sowell- earlier, you said to dana you want to be judged as an individual, not held responsible for the failings of other members of your comunity, race, whatever. why doesn’t the same apply to sowell? he’s a writer/philosopher/academic. why does he have to be an activist or social worker? is the expectation that every prominent black intellectual, even if conservative, somehow fall into the group groupthink? please, there are enough al sharpton style charlatans around.

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  551. Obsidian:

    Thomas Sowell is a fucking genius, and what seems to piss you off is that he refuses to play ball with the modern requirement – most Leftist, but some Righties have fallen prey to it as well – of viewing almost everything through the lens of identity politics.

    Sowell happens to be a black man, born in NC, raised primarily in Harlem, who went on to become a leading economic light and a conservative pundit almost without equal. That he views his “blackness” as incidental to his professional accomplishments and incisive commentary is anathema to “the community”, but it is heroic to anyone who rejects identity-driven politics and culture at large.

    The bottom line is that it’s not Sowell’s responsibility to lift the misbehavin’ brotha’s out of their difficulties. He’s not beholden to community-organizers and inner-city rabble-rousers…he refuse to play their game. And for that he is (sadly) hated/vilified, or just kind of dismissed by “blackness”-driven blacks.

    Sowell has laid out in the clearest of terms what he thinks ails the black community, and what he thinks can be done about it. He has done this dispassionately and insightfully. And one can’t help but think that, were his advice heeded, we would see great improvement. (Or, a Sowell would likely put it, a return to greater self-reliance and less chip-on-the-shoulderness among blacks that he saw growing up pre-welfare state.)

    If what bothers you most about Sowell is his lack of “uplift” among blacks, yet you agree with most of what he writes, you might want to consider the un-uplifted blacks as bearing the lions share of responsibility for their plight.

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  552. OHIO: Black teens attack white family on 4th, shouting ‘It’s a black world’…

    http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

    tsk tsk. in lebron’s hometown. can’t wait for the hero to give a speech full of chastisement.

    then again, it happened 5 days ago. if it were reversed, we’d be preempting even

    St. Michael’s
    funeral

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  553. p.s. @obs – your question about why high-IQ guys generally suck at game is a good one, but i think it’s been answered in different ways over the past week or so.

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  554. maurice writes:

    “true enough, that’s gospel here. but all of those were caused by, or supported by, the white male elite – the descendents of those same creators of civilization. ”

    BINGO. The fault for the decline of the West and America lies at the feet, not of blacks or women, but of liberal white men and their intellectual forebears in the Enlightenment, Darwinian and Progressive movements, who collectively stripped themselves and non-liberal whites of their rightful control over the course of our civilization.

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  555. Obsidian

    CALLING ALL LADIES OF THE ROISSY FORUM:

    If you could choose who you would like to spend an evening with, would it be:

    A: Willard Libby

    Or

    B: Obsidian

    What kind of absurdity is that Obsidian? Rigged a little?

    As for the second part of your challenge, the group sexual preference thing, you didn’t get much enthusiastic response before did you?

    Maybe most women here view these things primarily on an individual rather than a group basis. Maybe most haven’t had sufficiently many sexual partners from each group to be able to make a statistically meaningful judgment all by themselves of the relative bedroom performance of each group, not be the uberest of uber sluts?

    Though sure, individual girls have no doubt most often be attracted most to members of one or two groups in the past. Maybe often their own.

    But if you do get a smattering of takers, who’d most likely be those who’d tell you want to hear while other’s stay shut, given the nature of women esp. on things like this, would that be statistically significant, or significant in any kind of way?

    Just a little obsessed much with your GROUP stacking up on this?

    I just thought you said above that you should be seen primarily as an individual?

    @dana–I reject your reasoning, not because of some misguided racial loyalty and/or due to some kind of racial shame on my part, but simply due to one reason, and one reason alone:

    Because I am an Individual, and demand that I be judged, not by what someone at 22nd & Diamond does that I don’t know and would probably find as abhorrent as you and anyone else here, but rather by my own works and the merit thereof. Period.

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  556. ABax,
    Now, let’s be very, very careful here; please note that I did not in any way impugn Sowell’s intelligence or his literary accomplishments, nor have I endorsed or agreed w/Dyson; what I was observing was, that one is hardpressed to think of an instance where the former actually took his message to those who need to hear it most, while the latter maintains a grueling schedule of teaching, bookwriting and touring, much of it in inner city locales that Sowell himself is now quite keen to avoid.

    In fact, I think it a fitting comparison of Sowell and Dyson, because in many ways they are similar. They both came up in inner city environs and bootstrapped their way to success. Both are prolific writers, and both have drawn ire from all sides for their views.

    But the key difference, again, is the lack of engagement w/Blacks when it comes to Sowell. That Whites like you know more about Sowell than many Blacks, is telling about him and those who support him. More Black folk are familiar with Dyson for the simple reason that he gives a damn enough to engage them *where they are* and its made a difference. I’ve actually heard Brothas on the block debating Dyson’s work and not all of em agreed with him. They had a renewed interest, and respect for, the Academy, but in spite of Dyson but directly because of it.

    Yet for all Sowell’s true brilliance, those same Brothas aren’t likely to ever find out about him, because he’s safely holed up on Stanford’s campus, where few if any Blacks exist to begin with.

    It didn’t take Sowell anything to participate in Tavis Smiley’s State of The Black Union forum this year, it was right out there in LA, and Michael Steele was there himself. So I stand by what I said about the realworld impact of Sowell’s work. He’s an intellectual. A public one?

    O

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  557. Ethnic Civil War 7/11 2009 v 9/11 2001: Supervised Controlled Demolitions using Double detonations at the core boundary
    Suicide bombers, both on 9/11 2001 and in 7/11 2009, are ALL of the same type: fake. But “coincidentally” there are several types of double detonations.
    Double DETONATIONS from 9/11 TWO types of “planes” and “collapses” in 2001 to 7/11 TWO types of “Obamas” in 2009
    9/11, 2001: Two Types “airplanes” and “collapses”
    On 9/11 there were two types of “planes”: staged as obvious hoax (Pentagon [1]), and staged to fool people that they were real (Shanksville [1] and WTC towers [2]).
    On 9/11 there were two types of “collapses”: staged as obvious demolitions (WTC 7 [3]) and staged to fool people that they were real (again the WTC towers, much more explosive. [4]).
    7/11, 2009: Two Types of “Obamas”
    Make no mistake: there will be two fake suicide obombers (5) detonating on 7/11. (6)
    The first “Obama” will participate in the official explosion, the only explosion that was included in the A-Plan, that was to be executed BEFORE the November 2008 “elections”: he will explode as “Kenyan” (or more precisely: British), packaged for one group. (7)
    The second Obama will be much more explosive, and was only part of the B-Plan, that will now be carried out: he will blow himself up unofficially as “son of Malcolm X”, packaged for the other group. (8)
    What TWO groups are we talking about here?
    For once the answer does not literally return the usual “black and white” paintings produced by Illuminati art. (9)
    While the illuminati media will be selling the official version for the whites, Al Sharpton and the rest of the illuminati agents playing “the race” card will be selling the “Son of Malcom X” version, where “muslim” “Hussein Obama” (10) will ensure that muslims will enter the end times pogroms long before the day they had planned, i.e. the day where, once they would become the majority, they would finally begin exterminating the rest. (11)
    In the Supreme Court the new illuminati actress Sonia Sotomayor will play the role of “trying” to stop “Obama’s” impeachment, playing a key role to have “La Raza” joining blacks. (12)
    Meanwhile, to ensure the unity of whites behind the last “Führer”, “conservative” Sarah Palin (13) will join the cabinet of Terminator Hillary Clinton (14), who will be declared the real 44th President (15), i.e. the successor of the actor in the failed role of real “son of Man”, GW Bush.

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  558. Doug,
    Again, I am as much interested in the implications of HBD as say, Sailer or OneSTDV, the only difference being, I don’t confine myself to only IQ. I go farther than that, and as we’re in a forum that deals w/male-female relations, I’m very interested in learning whether being born White, Asian and Male on the far end of the Bell Curve, in the early 21st century, has any negative implications along these lines-and if so, why aren’t Sailer, One and the HBD crowd talking about this?

    Two, I agree with you, it is indeed quite possible that not many Women wil want to “out” themselves one ay or another. And I agree, its hardly a scientific poll in either event. But we gotta start somewhere.

    Three, yes, you quoted me accurately-but again, is HBD, its basic premise, legit or not? Please keep in mind, I’ve never denied its basic premise, only the motivations of its promulgators.

    And four, my reason for putting myself and Willard up to the ladies’ choice was because we’ve gone at it over the board quite a bit recently. I could have used different names-would you like me to swap us out in favor of say, you and Dave Alex?

    😉

    O

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  559. @obs, dana – well, we can all agree that matt marriott needs a shrink, at least.

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  560. ahahaha i was thinking…ok this threads done after that

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  561. on July 9, 2009 at 2:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””PA,
    Revolutions happen and ruling classes are overthrown. There is something very … anemic about our SWPL ruling class. A ruling class that despises its lesser coethnics in favor of their alien counterparts is like a tree with no roots.”””””””

    Yea that was a good one.

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  562. Maurice,
    I was waiting for someone to ask “what’s up with that?” in relation to my Brother Mouzone comment. I’d like to explain.

    Actually when you think about it Maurice, Mouzone and Bell are a lot more alike than different. Both play against the common gangsta/thug type that is more the style of the Avon Barksdales and Marlo Stansfields of the world.

    And their sensibilities are very similar.

    But the real rub, as you mentioned, is Brother Mouzone’s apparent connections to the NOI, complete w/his clean cut look and trademark bowtie. LOL.

    Well, aside from the fact that we share the same faith, I have a lot of respect for the Nation. No, I don’t subscribe to many of its tenets, like Yacoub and so on. What I find positive about the Nation is that it showed Black folk a better way of being, as Cutty from The Wire said to Dukie. They could be something other than they were, and could achieve things for themselves.

    And like Brother Mouzone and yes Stringer Bell, I too read as much and as widely as I can.

    Hope this explains things.

    O

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  563. on July 9, 2009 at 2:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””on July 9, 2009 at 10:48 am Seeking_Alpha
    We have plenty of our own untapped talent, which has the bonus of being culturally one of us, and not being loyal to some distant “mother country.”

    To be fair, we have no idea if this is true or not. America is, for the most part, a meritocracy. If there is a large labor shortage – whether skilled or unskilled – it’s probably not because of misallocated intellectual capital.””””””””””’

    We do not have a meritocracy we have aa.

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  564. matt – use caution publicizing this on the net. shanksville security squads are using increased surveillance and harsher “methods” to silence dissenters

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  565. Ayers-Chavez-Putin no doubting their connections and global goals along with Soros.

    Obama – their buddy and sharing the same goals

    The show was for the media, Obama is the conquering hero and without firing a shot. Accepting the Russian framework for disarmament and surrender is where the rubber hits the road.

    Obama is a temp. We will have to deal with a well financed SDS/Ayers, Acorn, Bolivian revolution and Soros for years.

    Watch the local school boards. If the feds and communist philosophy grab control of them be very concerned.

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  566. on July 9, 2009 at 2:19 pm Willard Libby

    dana – the one q’s results that approached half and half and in no way could be interpreted as black parasitism on the benefits of being with whites–

    “Is it more important – one, for Blacks to build good relations
    with Whites OR two, for Blacks to build pride and respect
    for themselves, even if it means causing tension between Blacks
    and Whites?“(emphasis mine)

    Good relations 52.2%
    Build pride 43.3
    Both 4.5

    almost half said black pride was more important EVEN if it caused racial tension.

    Interesting and typical racial double standard in America.

    What is called pride in blacks is called hate and racism in White Americans.

    If White Americans had answered the poll the way blacks did they would be called sick and in need of psychological counseling.

    The double standard never ends.

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  567. on July 9, 2009 at 2:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””on July 9, 2009 at 10:56 am Seeking_Alpha
    Very disingenuous and wrong. There are young kids in every corner of the country who ace theri SATs or otherwise show promise.

    I didn’t say there aren’t smart kids in the rural areas. I said we have no idea if the majority of them are going on to be doctors and engineers or very overqualified gas station attendants.

    In other words, there is no question we have lots of potential. The question is if it’s untapped potential.”””””””

    Of course it is untapped. There are quite a few people over 120 iq which seems to be thrown around here as the required iq of the doctor lawyer class. Plus how many jobs are hard seriously.

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  568. on July 9, 2009 at 2:22 pm Willard Libby

    dana – obsidian – just know this.

    the baby boomers will all die one day, and after that no one is going to care about black people anymore ever again. by then mexicans will outnumber you as well and they don’t give a flying fuck about you..

    You can see it in LA already. Mexicans don’t give a shit about blacks. They ignore them or just try to out work them, which isn’t difficult.

    Blacks are actually trying to run out of LA as much as they can.

    Basically to get away from the Mexicans and get to wherever the White folks are.

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  569. Willard,
    Have you ever heard of Prince George’s County? Maurice works with Black people who live there. Maybe you should talk to him as to how lazy, etc they are.

    And please explain how Black Pride=White Hate?

    Thanks.

    O

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  570. on July 9, 2009 at 2:29 pm Willard Libby

    They look like a very, very old “boyband”.

    You know, em, you love em, so let’s hear it for……….The Old Guys on the Block!!!!”

    **srrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmm**

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  571. on July 9, 2009 at 2:32 pm An Experienced Father

    S. Said:
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    .
    >>Obama hasn’t had time to destroy the US economy.
    .
    Wrong.
    .
    It will require an immense amount of work and willful foolishness to bring about a depression, but the Obama Administration has shown itself capable of such greatness.
    .
    Anyone with a minor knowledge of the economic history of the early Clinton and JFK Administrations could see what was coming with Obama.
    .
    Clinton’s arrival in 1992 resulted in something like 3% of all small businesses shutting up shop before the inauguration, and there was a small-business loss in 1960-61 as well (I think that was the first time it was noticed).
    .
    There was a capital and small business expansion strike in the first six months of Clinton’s first term, which ended quickly because Clinton convinced them he was an economic moderate.
    .
    Clinton’s bending to the will of the bond market brought those small business and financial capital types back into the economy and they were the initial impetus for Clinton’s good economic years.
    .
    Obama has been doing precisely the opposite of Bill Clinton.
    .
    Obama scared the bejesus out of small business before he took office and he has done worse since. He could not be doing a better job of hammering their confidence.
    .
    And he _still_ hasn’t settled on anything to settle the financial market’s uncertainty. Just look at his non-handling of the upcoming California state bond default.
    .
    Obama has convincing financial capital and small businesses types that they are right to fear the future, and to conserve their capital and energy because he will rob them of any return on their capital and personal labor investment.
    .
    We now have a full scale, late FDR Depression Style “capital strike” in progress. This augurs for an economic disaster worse than Jimmy Carter’s.
    .
    See this link:
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    http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/blame_me_for_job_losses.html
    .
    and this:
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    http://pajamasmedia.com/edgelings/2009/04/22/scared-ceos-hamper-economic-recovery/
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    In her book The Forgotten Man, Amity Shlaes (now a Forbes columnist) wrote that the 1937-38 “depression within a depression” occurred when “capital went on strike.” President Roosevelt’s willingness to “try anything”–including retroactive taxation, laws against discount pricing and an attempted Supreme Court packing–had businesses and their backers so confused about Roosevelt’s rules that they simply withdrew.
    .
    This is the risk of Obama’s willingness to “do what it takes.” The words sound positive and action-oriented. But in practice, “do what it takes” really means “anything can happen.”
    .
    Tearing up of legal contracts … that can happen.
    .
    Limits to salary and travel … that can happen.
    .
    Bullying by the Environmental Protection Agency … that can happen.
    .
    Nationalization of General Motors and Citigroup … that can happen.
    .
    Nobody knows for sure. Government is sorting it out, day by day.
    .
    The yield curve predicts good news. Consumers are bored with the recession and are ready to come back.
    .
    But CEOs are nervous about deploying capital, and for good reason.

    .
    .
    Based on the actions taken above, the Obama Administration was and is terminally clueless as to the economic incentives they were putting into the American economy.
    .
    The American economic “bounce” that everyone in D.C. and the NY City financial markets had “programed in” for the second half of this year is not going to happen because the people who are expected to do it — small business — have taken their toys home to the house to wait out the Obama Admistration.
    .
    See this article:
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    http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/07/06/get_ready_for_14_percent_unemployment_97295.html
    .
    That said the following:
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    The BEA numbers (which were revised slightly on June 25) show an accelerating decline in “real nonresidential fixed investment”. This measure decreased 37.3 percent in the first quarter of 2009, compared with a fall of 21.7 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. Given that employment is a direct, linear function of private business investment (PBI), unemployment can be expected to rise much farther in the months ahead.

    Here’s why. Because a lot of PBI goes toward offsetting depreciation and increasing productivity, it takes a 5% year-over-year increase in PBI to produce a 1% increase in the number of jobs. Correspondingly, a 5% decrease in PBI will yield a 1% reduction in total employment.

    The unemployment rate a year ago was 5.5%. Because the potential labor force is growing, we need employment to increase by 1% annually to keep the unemployment rate from going up. The 37.9% investment decline reported by the BEA can be expected to eventually produce a reduction in total employment of about 8.5%. Accordingly, we can expect unemployment to rise to about 14% within a year unless the downward slide of PBI is reversed.

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    .
    The translation:
    .
    a) Just as a certain mininum amount of ongoing capital investment is required to maintain existing capital stocks,
    .
    b) A certain minimum amount of hiring new workers is necessary to maintaining a static labor force in terms of the total number employed. (I.e., there is a constant labor force turnover, with new hires replacing retiring and laid off workers.) thus,
    .
    c) Any increased workforce capital investment (PBI) causes increasing employment to happen after about a six month lag time.
    .
    Which means there are two components to a rise in unemployment –
    .
    1) A failure to hire new workers to replace normal turnover, and
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    2) An increased termination rate.
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    An outright decline in economic activity might have ceased but, because new hires to replace turnover always lag increased capital investment by about six months, unemployment can continue rising due to past capital disinvestment, even if current investment is increasing.
    .
    “Real” economic recovery, i.e., an increase in new hiring producing a decrease in the unemployment rate, will not begin until the summer of 2010 (if then) because those capital strike people were busy conserving — AKA not spending — thier capital.
    .
    All you have to do is look at the BEA/PBI capital investment numbers.
    .
    Those were declining until just recently, and have only recently leveled off. This means that unemployment will continue to increase for a while, and then level off.
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    Only after unemployment has leveled off for a while *might* employment rates start to increase, and right now I’m not seeing any actual increase in the necessary capital investment beyond replacement levels.
    .
    This is July 2009. Wait for the fourth quarter 2009 BEA numbers on capital investment to come out next spring. Those have to show a significant increase for employment to start picking up in the summer of 2010.
    .
    The Obama Administration counted on the economy bouncing back in 2009 like it did for Clinton after Bush 41 in 1991 so they can do Socialized Healthcare and “Cap & Trade” energy taxes.
    .
    The problem is that the economic bounce back is not happening. It is getting worse, faster, in terms of unemployment.
    .
    And Obama no longer has the policy means or political credibility to do what needs to be done because the Congressional Democrats spent the money he needed to affect the economy and tarred Obama with their image in the process.

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  572. on July 9, 2009 at 2:35 pm Willard Libby

    D. Ray Morton – @Willard Libby: “Michelle looks like a tall ape. First Gorilla. Obama is another example of a successful guy with a dog, or in his case ape, wife.”

    And yet, *he* had to chase *her.*

    Yeah, strange isn’t it.

    It’s like he had some serious jungle fever, so to speak.

    You can find relatively good looking, successful guys with ugly wives all over the place.

    Feminists never complain about that, until he cheats.

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  573. Actually when you think about it Maurice, Mouzone and Bell are a lot more alike than different. Both play against the common gangsta/thug type that is more the style of the Avon Barksdales and Marlo Stansfields of the world.

    And their sensibilities are very similar.

    But the real rub, as you mentioned, is Brother Mouzone’s apparent connections to the NOI, complete w/his clean cut look and trademark bowtie. LOL.

    …it showed Black folk a better way of being, as Cutty from The Wire said to Dukie. They could be something other than they were, and could achieve things for themselves.

    And like Brother Mouzone and yes Stringer Bell, I too read as much and as widely as I can.

    Hope this explains things.

    O

    Holy crap was The Wire awesome. I understand why String had to go after Omar (he’d taken out Stinkum, testified against Bird, and I believe was instrumental in getting both Wee-Bey and Avon himself locked up….so String had to go after him), but if he’d left Omar alone, I doubt Mouzone would’ve gotten to him. And maybe the co-op between Stringer and Prop Joe would’ve remained intact.

    Wasn’t it fascinating at the end how Dukie basically “became” the next Bubbles, and Michael was on his way to “becoming” the next Omar? The names change, but the game remains the same.

    Peace.

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  574. Seeking Alpha,
    I respectfully disagree w/your comments about Stringer Bell and Avon Barksdale, and here’s why.

    Bell attempted to bribe Clay Davis, a prominent Black state senator, w/nearly a quarter of a million dollars to grease the skids to develop land and build condos on it. Davis took Bell to the cleaners, didn’t do a darn thing, and really pissed Bell off.

    The point?

    That while yea Bell and Barksdale had the raw talent, they didn’t have the support systems in place, like say, you do/did, and which you and so many others take for granted-and here I really have to marvel by how many people say what you do, yet have never had to contend with the surroundings and circumstances a Bell or a Barksdale had to deal with. The drugs trade was seen as a legit pathway out of poverty, misery and live of quiet desperation, and they took it. We can get as high on our hobby horses as we wanna, but unless you have been faced w/such a life, you realy don’t have anything meaningful to add.

    O

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  575. on July 9, 2009 at 2:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’on July 9, 2009 at 1:45 pm Matt Marriott””””””””””””’

    Stop trying to save the white or black race come to the dark side they both must be destroyed. They are not redeemable.

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  576. Stop trying to save the white or black race come to the dark side they both must be destroyed. They are not redeemable.

    you’re winning me over to your worldview gunslinger

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  577. on July 9, 2009 at 2:50 pm Gunslingergregi

    Pretty much why I say cannot be saved. Our white elite class cannot understand why giving all this extra help to outside people is wrong. When they wouldn’t give that same help to there own people. Even poor asian men can still get come decent looking pussy. Because it is 95 percent decent looking woman and with that pussy. Why I think they are just better. Because if it comes down to quality of woman and pussy in life. Who is winning. It ain’t us.

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  578. @ dana, or anyone else for that matter:

    YEs obsidian i think all blacks are leeches ( and all women, and most other countries) on white (specifically anglo white, though there were some other euro influnces)western industrial technological development. i think they contributed absolutely nothing to it, and hate it and chop at its roots while demanding its benefits vocally and for free.

    you’ve never answered me on this: what do we gain by ascribing some sort of racial ownership?

    to say that whites created western society may be accurate, although not really, but it isn’t very precise. really smart, hardworking people created our society. there are any number of smart, hardworking middle class blacks in this country, as there are any number of white trash leaches.

    and how can you guys blame o for his response when he’s being confronted with a way of thinking that automatically ascribes intelligence and hard work to white males and everything negative with being a female or a minority? how should he respond? how do you guys respond when someone says something critical of whites?

    there’s a difference between uncovering pretty lies and being overblown racialist stereotypes.

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  579. ABax,
    On this we can 100% agree: The Wire, is Da Bomb.

    And yes, the final montage is truly stunning, as we see Michael Lee in essence becoming the next Omar Little, and Dukie becoming the next Bubbles.

    As a matter of fact, since this thread is about both Obama and Alpha Males, please allow me to point out that when asked what his favorite tv show was, Obama responded that it was The Wire, and that his favorite character was Omar Little, a fascinating character because of his idiosyncracies.
    Moreover, Dukie demonstrates something a lot of people outside the hood simply may not know:

    All Brothas aint Alphas.

    Dukie couldn’t shoot, couldn’t fight, couldn’t even run a corner-but as Michael told him, he had other skills, he was smart like that.

    The problem was, as I was pointing out to Seeking Alpha, that Dukie didn’t have a real support system around him to help him hone those skills-he could have been a electrical engineer. Or a worked in IT. Or for that matter, made video games.

    Instead, we see where he winds up by the end of The Wire’s run.

    And ABax’s right, all of the major players fall down, but the Game, plays on. That’s just how powerful the tide is to swim against, and trust me, most of you have never, ever, had to contend with such a thing, such a vicious vortex.

    It aint no joke. The Wire is in my view must viewing for anyone who wants to understand the American City in the early 21st century.

    O

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  580. on July 9, 2009 at 3:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Although maybe actual elite would help. Look at bush he actually got people a lot of jobs and was hated by the more populated elite type maybe all those with a masters degree.

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  581. lance

    i don’t care about white or black, i care about CIVILIZATION–it’s roots and the requirements for its maintenance and improvement. i am not male and am not considered white by whites. i would support the dominate ethnic group of ANY advance technological country to maintain that standard of living for its denizens.

    if i objectively think blacks and women would be unable to maintain the high technological civilization i love then i will fight their takeover and destrcution of it–again NOT because i care that they are blacks and women, but because i care if western civilization is destroyed.

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  582. on July 9, 2009 at 3:15 pm Gunslingergregi

    Dana has read every word eh so you do recall when obsidian first started with the constant race shit and baiting. You do remember he brought up aa and black woman over and over when no one else was bringing it up. Plus when he wouldn’t debate me anymore on the facts when I brought up the same shit you did. Just said to stay on lane and this is not what we are talking about and ignore. Interesting. You did learn from that then on real cause of pain.

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  583. @obs/S_A re bell/barksdale- obs is right, the ghetto dudes have so much stacked against them that they could never have really made it any other way. kind of the point of the show.

    @obs re mouzone- nah, i don’t see him and stringer having the same temperament at all. stroner was an empire builder, a visionary, a businessman. mouzone was just a cold hired gun.

    my favorite stringer bell phrase: “adjourn yo’ asses”. adaptation of Roberts Rules of Order.

    @dana- missed this well-turned phrase before:

    the female desire to turn the government into an indulgent husband that only gives and makes no behavioral demands upon them is ultimately undermining private property rights from divorce theft to socialist expropriation of wages to fund “healthcare” and child support.

    the nanny state as the ultimate beta provider male? without demands for sex, better behavior, etc.? as the ultimate convergent goals of all the different threads of feminism? very good and very interesting.

    @AEF- a little too much info, but i agree that both NY and DC are complacent about the true state of the economy. we’re definitely in a U-shaped recovery in GDP and employment, and therefore a W-shaped one in the market – that is, this recent bull market is unsupported by fundamentals and it will fall again.

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  584. Just to address a few other things:

    Doug, it don’t take nothing for you to run a few quick Googles on Poussaint. The info’s been out there for years. Knock yourself out, learning about these things will be good for you.

    Dana, neither I nor most Black folk here or anywhere have no problem talking about the problematic aspects of African American life and culture, not even a little bit. What many of us do have a problem though, is it seems that for so many of you, that’s ALL you focus on, as if there just aren’t any Black people anywhere doing anything worthwhile, and that’s simply not fair.

    Andrew, its important to keep in mind, that OJ, flawed as he was before Summer 1994, and quiite likely guilty after it, became a symbol of something much larger than himself. He became emblematic of how Blacks were treated by the criminal justice system. Did you know how many drug cases were overturned in the CA courts as a result of his one case, exposing rampant corruption in the LAPD? In fact, that same LAPD may have played a role in Tupac Shakur’s death, maybe even Biggie’s as well.

    As for Wright, it must be noted that most African Americans aren’t members of his church, that there are White members of that congreation, and that not all Blacks agreed w/him either.

    O

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  585. on July 9, 2009 at 3:24 pm Seeking_Alpha

    That while yea Bell and Barksdale had the raw talent, they didn’t have the support systems in place, like say, you do/did, and which you and so many others take for granted-and here I really have to marvel by how many people say what you do, yet have never had to contend with the surroundings and circumstances a Bell or a Barksdale had to deal with. The drugs trade was seen as a legit pathway out of poverty, misery and live of quiet desperation, and they took it. We can get as high on our hobby horses as we wanna, but unless you have been faced w/such a life, you realy don’t have anything meaningful to add.

    Well I have friends from those neighborhoods who have done what I said, so I do have something meaningful to add.

    Sorry to burst your neat little preconception.

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  586. on July 9, 2009 at 3:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea and I was the only white boy on the basketball court and you can see how well I turned out. Not mentally good but yea I will make it monetarily and already have.

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  587. on July 9, 2009 at 3:33 pm Seeking_Alpha

    To be clear, I’m not saying it’s easy, that there are no hurdles, or that everyone succeeds. But this:

    they could never have really made it any other way

    isn’t true.

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  588. on July 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm SmartyJones

    This thread was doing really well. Never mind it when interesting stuff comes up but when it gets hijacked with bullshit….

    @ Dana
    You spend a lot of time writing a lot about different areas. You attempt to do it artfully but you always come back to the same refrain along the lines of:

    “the black underclass is your undoing. they are destroying your collective chances. and THEY are the face your culture shows us now.”

    First of all what is this fascinating global emphasis you have on race? It’s understandable if one examines foibles of a culture based on ethnicity, religion, nation but race alone?

    Then you personalize your foolish race analogy by personalizing the attack on thee Obsidian. You say the black underclass “IS YOUR UNDOING.”

    Look in the mirror. You are fucking race baiting. It’s cheap and it’s utter bullshit. I don’t go to you and complain about Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin and Mussolini and say they are YOUR UNDOING because you are white.

    For the last damn time, cut this race monolith shit out. Who are you really pissed at Dana? Who is really pissing you off? Is it someone in the neighborhood? You need to get a damn grip. In this country, the good ole USA, we still value the individual, individual liberty and allowing people to live and act and be judged as individuals: not by race. You are attempting to disguise it but you are doing a damn poor job of it.

    Shoot Reggie Jackson is from Wyncote. If you started talking this crap at an open house he take a bat to your head. And I think you’d deserve it. You appear to have some pent up anger and frustration. Can you not hijack the shit out of this thread and exercise it somewhere the fuck else? Thanks.

    @ Thee Obsidian
    Your holding Sowell to a ridiculous standard. He’s a writer and his work stands on the intellectual merit of his ideas and how they fit in the real world. Dyson, I’m sorry but he can do all the public relation tours he wants in order to “be relevant” but his ideas will not stand the test of time.

    How does a great writer stand after his death? It isn’t because he does PR tours.

    The sad reality that a Thomas Sowell isn’t getting read in America, and particularly in urban settings is because of the hostility of the one party rule that exists there. Sowell liberates minorities from the liberal plantation standard. As such, he’s not going to be welcomed or invited to places where his ideas are most unwelcome.

    He would decimate a guy like Dyson in seconds. Not an hour, not minutes. Seconds. Dyson would never want to sit face to face and have stare down a battle of intellectual powers like that. He’d much rather appear on a staged piece of crap TV show like Bill Maher where there is no chance of being met by a Thomas Sowell.

    An author’s work should speak through his work. More teachers should just add Sowell and that would open lots of eyes, end of story.

    @ Patrick – you mistakenly declare victory for transit through Russian airspace for Afghan access. Russia spent a lot of time trying to uproot the US air bases there. They now have the US where they want them.

    You’ll see soon enough how the Russians use that advantage.

    @ Roissy – we need a ref appearance me thinks.

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  589. on July 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm Gunslingergregi

    But yea no help from people like maurice to be seen. Whereas every week again I see a new protected classes face on my companies website and how they are in the new workers program a club that gives them auto matic ties in the company and how their growth in being ecouraged and how there needs are what is important for the comany to meet. How they need plenty of time to learn and explore the comany to find where they would be ‘fullfilled’ things like that.

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  590. Seeking,
    Yup, I know a few myself. Yet the point is made: for every Urban Horatio Alger we can name, there are easily 5, 6, 7, a dozen more that get eaten up by the meatgrinder so to speak. And please, don’t get it twisted and go thinking that I’m making excuses. I’m not. Just noting the why’s and wherefores of this thing.

    And again, I’m wondering if your friends came from Dukie-like beginnings.

    You’re response would be…?

    O

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  591. i don’t care about white or black, i care about CIVILIZATION–it’s roots and the requirements for its maintenance and improvement.

    i find that hard to believe. it is very easy to argue in defense of traditional western society without saying things like blacks can go back to africa and all women are leeches. i do it all the time.

    for example, your argument about females looking to government to be husband and provider is right on. it is, however, worth mentioning that there are large numbers of women in this country who still believe in the traditional family and only want government to act in defense of their own personal freedoms and choices.

    if you really want to defend this civilization, you may want to cut down on the vitriol. it tends to allow liberals to paint everyone on the right as some sort of anachronistic storm trooper.

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  592. on July 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm SmartyJones

    @ Gunslingergregi
    “Yea and I was the only white boy on the basketball court and you can see how well I turned out.”

    Me too man, including West 4th in the Village. There’s a real beauty to the game where the game is the language. And that’s all that matters.

    I loved pulling some surprises and one of my favorite moments was after a game, having a beer with the boys and being told, “White boy we didn’t think you’d be able to get your shit off.”

    Them was the days.

    Great feeling playing in front of people at West 4th. They let you know too.

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  593. query: is it hijacking a thread to continue to respond to the 1000000000000 posts directed at you?

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  594. on July 9, 2009 at 3:40 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea smarty I just had to go over your ten page post. Whats up with that.

    ”””””””on July 9, 2009 at 3:34 pm SmartyJones
    Thee Obsidian””””””’

    Get of the dick fag. You have no high horse to stand on.

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  595. lance that you read any emotion into anything i type is astonishing. i am more often accused of being a robot.

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  596. Maurice,
    Again w/all due respect, I must disagree; Brother Mouzone and Stringer Bell are a lot more alike than may be seen on the surface.

    Both Men were coldy efficient at what they did. Bell, drug kingpin. Brother Mouzone, enforcer, assassin. Both ran sizable organizations in an ordered fashion-Bell using an urbanized Robert’s Rules of Order, Brother Mouzone, using the time-honored protocols of the General Orders that undergirds the Fruit Of Islam training.

    And again, they both looked in physical appearance very similar-both wore business suits. And both looked markedly different from Omar and Avon, who looked like street gangstas.

    Bell read Wealth of Nations; Brother Mouzone read Harper’s Weekly, and so on.

    The similarities are quite striking.

    Btw, although I definitely enjoy Wealth of Nations, what you’d likely see on my bookshelf, next to the Qur’an and Bible, are:

    The Prince
    The Book of Ten Rings
    The Art of War

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  597. on July 9, 2009 at 3:48 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ b

    Ya, sex and dominance play go hand in hand. If she doesn’t swallow, it only means she doesn’t swallow yet.

    Dominance “play”?
    No.

    If your bedroom dynamic doesn’t reflect the fundamental underlying dynamic of your whole relationship (or vice versa), then something is very wrong indeed.

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  598. on July 9, 2009 at 3:49 pm SmartyJones

    @ Gunslingergregi
    Yeah I just write it out in one draw. Sorry if that interrupted you as you must need to keep focused on keeping that dick up your sucking.

    Tell your buddy to jerk off cuz you are a slow reader.
    Oh and your a racist fuck too.

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  599. on July 9, 2009 at 3:49 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””on July 9, 2009 at 3:37 pm SmartyJones
    @ Gunslingergregi
    “Yea and I was the only white boy on the basketball court and you can see how well I turned out.”

    Me too man, including West 4th in the Village. There’s a real beauty to the game where the game is the language. And that’s all that matters.

    I loved pulling some surprises and one of my favorite moments was after a game, having a beer with the boys and being told, “White boy we didn’t think you’d be able to get your shit off.”

    Them was the days.

    Great feeling playing in front of people at West 4th. They let you know too.”””””””””””’

    So they felt comfortable calling you white boy?
    Odd I never got called white boy.

    But did you notice any new white boys that got gang beat?

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  600. on July 9, 2009 at 3:50 pm SmartyJones

    @ gunslinger

    Because you have to have game to play on West 4th, NYC.

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  601. on July 9, 2009 at 3:51 pm Seeking_Alpha

    Yup, I know a few myself. Yet the point is made: for every Urban Horatio Alger we can name, there are easily 5, 6, 7, a dozen more that get eaten up by the meatgrinder so to speak. And please, don’t get it twisted and go thinking that I’m making excuses. I’m not. Just noting the why’s and wherefores of this thing.

    And again, I’m wondering if your friends came from Dukie-like beginnings.

    There’s no doubt that it’s the case that for every 1 that makes it 5 or a dozen don’t. But the ‘why’ matters.

    If that ‘1’ is just as hard working as the other 12, but he got lucky, then that’s messed up.

    If that ‘1’ is the hardest working, smartest one, and luck played a small factor, then that’s the natural order.

    When you say ‘Dukie’ like beginnings what do you mean? They came from single parent homes in the projects. Mother wasn’t a drug addict though, which certainly makes things ten times harder. The mother’s are a big reason for their success.

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  602. Seeking,
    Yup, that’s exactly my point. Dukie came from a truly hellish situation, parents, if you can call em that, strung out druggies. Selling any and everything he had to get more drugs. No support system around him to help nuture his bookish skills. And as we all saw by The Wire’s end, we see how he ends up.

    Seeking, lemme ask you a question. A little while back, I talked about my own experiences as an observer of the drugs trade here in Philly. When I was still a teenager, I went to school w/a fellow teenaged drug dealer named Spanish Ed.

    One day at his house, we counted up in excess of 100K dollars, on his living room table. Now, my question to you is: have you ever seen that much money on a table, at once? And if so, and if you could, would you take it?

    You see, regardless of background, most people have or will, ever see that much or more, money in cash, on a table. And no mater what background, many will take it if they could.
    I had both a mom and a dad in my life, who instilled things in me, Seeking. That was part of the reason why I could walk away from that money-haltingly, lol. But I did it.

    The Dukies and Michaels, even the Stringer Bells and Avon Barksdales, don’t have what I was truly blessed to have.

    And while I’m on it, let me also say this:

    I think so much of what happens in our lives, is purely based on luck. And the more we have supports around us, the more luck we seem to get. Which explains why we see a lot fewer Horatio Algers and a lot more George W Bush’s, than we used to.

    If you know what I mean.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  603. on July 9, 2009 at 4:09 pm Seeking_Alpha

    I haven’t gotten to the end of the show, so no more info on Dukie.

    Yea, certainly there are some situations that you can’t recover from, no matter how gifted you are. Dukie was in that category.

    If I had fewer options, I would take the fast money, without a doubt. But I wouldn’t have to.

    What I’m saying is that there’s always an option though. You can choose between fast, illegal money and slow, legal money.

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  604. @ PA:

    maybe we are essentially saying the same thing, but i make sure to never phrase it as a question. i either say it as a command, like ‘use your mouth’, or just present it to her… sometimes with a ribbon like it’s xmas morning.

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  605. @dana – i think it’s OK to respond, as long as it stays on point and doesn’t degenerate into name-calling. do a bunch of responses in one post, like i try to do – takes less space and easier to read.

    do tell more about your misspent youth. i must have missed that before.

    @obs – still don’t see it. stringer was building his empire in baltimore, and mouzone was sent in from NY as an assassin. sure they both liked to read and better themselves. i thought mouzone was closer in his cold temperament to marlo, style of dress notwithstanding.

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  606. Proof that Michelle just ain’t getting it done for Obama, and that he’d like a taste of some ass-tastic white meat:

    😉

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  607. Maurice,
    Brother Mouzone just wasn’t a hired gun, he had an entire organization of hired guns under him. They took on jobs in many different cities, and again, both he and Bell operated in a coldly efficient manner.

    Marlo on the other hand was nowhere near as efficient. This was seen by the trail of bodies he left in his wake, many of whom he didn’t have to take out. In fact, one of the last hits he ordered before being taken down was on Michael, which was a big mistake, and showed just how sloppy and unbusinesslike Marlo was (as I’m sure you’ll recall, Michael smelled a doublecross setup coming, and killed Snoop Pearson before she could kill him-thanks ironically to the hitman training he received from Chris Partlow. Thus Marlo lost two highly effective people, for nothing. Bell would never do such a thing if he could avoid it. Neither would Prop Joe). He was a Thug’s thug, relying on brawn over brain.

    Thus, Brother Mouzone and Marlo are nothing alike.

    Lemme know what you think. Glad to know we’re fellow travelers wrt The Wire!

    I wonder if Dana’s seen it and if so, what she thinks?

    O

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  608. on July 9, 2009 at 4:33 pm SmartyJones

    @ A-Bax
    Hilarious but really what guy wouldn’t be caught distracted by that. Seems like a looker.

    And it’s funny how Sarkozy is always there at the right moment laughing. He was in the pic with the bow to the Saudi monarch too.

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  609. @ SmartyJones

    Totally…who wouldn’t appreciate such a fine peice! And Sarkozy almost looks like he set Obama up…like he’s that woman’s pimp, or something.

    If Barack ins’t careful, he’s going to induce the dreaded Michelle stink-face that comes out when she’s confronted with greater beauty (which must be fairly often these days):

    And then get him some sefl-righteous Michelle behind closed doors:

    😉
    😉

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  610. Two other points I wanted to speak to here…

    First up, Andrew.

    I don’t know if you know about this Andrew, but the rapper 50 Cent, who has visited Iraq to be with the US troops, publicly spoke out against and disagreed w/fellow rapper Kanye West’s now famous remark “Bush doesn’t care about Black people”. 50 noted that he felt it was wrong to blame a hurricane on GWB, and to point out that local officals were at least as much to blame as anyone else.

    Maurice,
    Yes, my points wrt HBD were indeed spoken to-ONLY AFTER I HAD TO PROMPT THE HBDERS to speak to said points. Again, the issue aint the basic premise, but the motivation-and yes, I’m asking a leading question because I’m making a very clear point-

    WHY is it that HBDers ONLY focus on IQ when they deal w/HBD? WHY don’t they also take up the very real downsides of being born on the extreme right side of the Bell Curve? Why? Why, Maurice? Why is that?

    Yes, its a leading the witness type question. I am questioning the motivation of the HBDers. I want to know why they are so heavily invested in arguing against only one side of the Bell Curve, but completely ignore the other end, and only when their arms are twisted do thy pay some milquetoast lip service to the right side? Where’s all the strident crusading for HBD then? Why the silence, collectively, throughout the HBDosphere-GNXP, Sailer, OneSTDV, FeministX, Audacious Epigone, Inductivist, etc, et al? Even here at Roissy’s, which does at the very least allows for the issue to be broached, he doesn’t straight up posts about the downsides of being on the right side of the Bell Curve in relation to Game.

    Methinks I smell a rat. There, I’ve said it. And part of the carcass is that the HBDers aren’t really interested in science as they are about their own oxes being gored. If that aint intellectual dishonesty, I really don’t know what is.

    Holla back

    O

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  611. SmartyJones contradicted:

    In … the good ole USA, we still value the individual, individual liberty and allowing people to live and act and be judged as individuals: not by race.

    Reggie Jackson is from Wyncote. If you started talking this crap at an open house he take [sic] a bat to your head. And I think you’d deserve it.

    such wisdom, honesty and truth
    must be preserved

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  612. You poor stupid ice cream socialists. I hate white democrats too.

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  613. Obsidian,

    It wasn’t just Kanye West. Besides, was West’s reputation, career, livelihood at all threatened or in any way negatively impacted by his slander or is he just as prestigious and successful as ever? Did “50 Cent” call on people to boycott West’s records? Was West treated in remotely the same way as James Watson or Don Imus? To ask is to answer these questions.

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  614. Andrew,
    In a word in reply to your questions-no, no such calls as I’m aware of were made to boycott Kanye’s records, etc was put out. And yes, by all accounts, Kanye’s profile has only been increased since then.

    But we have to give, of all people(!), 50 Cent here-and this is something I say to my White conservative brothers all the time-if you don’t support Black folks who do the things 50 did, you can be sure they’ll sit on their hands the next time around.

    So my question to you is-how many White conservatives rallied behind 50 Cent?

    O

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  615. on July 9, 2009 at 6:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””on July 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm Firepower
    OHIO: Black teens attack white family on 4th, shouting ‘It’s a black world’…

    http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

    tsk tsk. in lebron’s hometown. can’t wait for the hero to give a speech full of chastisement.

    then again, it happened 5 days ago. if it were reversed, we’d be preempting even

    St. Michael’s
    funeral””””””””””””””””””’

    Dam man that is nuts but yea sounds exactly like ohio. Guy doesn’t have insurance to pay for his 5 nights in hospital either man. New respect for little white girls she tried to help her dad wtf mom pushes son into bushes to protect him. This is wild. Why when you live in hood or near it got to have everyone in the family trained and holding a gun to be able to defend yourself.

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  616. on July 9, 2009 at 6:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    I’d say the girl when reaches legal age gonna be some good marriage material she has your back.

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  617. on July 9, 2009 at 6:24 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Guns

    OHIO: Black teens attack white family on 4th, shouting ‘It’s a black world’…

    http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

    tsk tsk. in lebron’s hometown. can’t wait for the hero to give a speech full of chastisement.

    That’s some bullshit. Not just for the obvious reasons, but also because the attackers were cowards.

    Our criminal justice system would do well to institute a penal version of hockey’s “third man in” rule. I.e., assaults should of course be punished, but GROUP assaults should be punished very, very harshly. Like completely out of proportion to the assault itself.
    I wouldn’t mind seeing bum-rushers like this** spend half their lives in prison for one incident. People get in conflicts, but only worthless scum attack in cowardly oversized groups.

    **Lest Obsidian come up in here with racial comments, I feel exactly the same way about lynch mobs etc.

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  618. on July 9, 2009 at 6:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    This is par for course in ohio.

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  619. on July 9, 2009 at 6:35 pm Gunslingergregi

    It doesn’t really talk about what they did to the guy so I will fill in from personal experience watching these events of mulitple on one. One or two will hold the guy down while the rest take turns in a line jumping as high as they can and landing on the person who is on the grounds body with their feet. They look like they are having a good time while they do it. This may be how the original congo line developed and brought into dance.

    One on one fights yea normally no one gets hurt badly but yea if one can hold you down while 4 others take turns stomping not very fair.

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  620. on July 9, 2009 at 6:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    Why one on one test of manhood. Shouldn’t be punished in any extreme way.

    5 on one no test at all. Should be heavily punished.

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  621. on July 9, 2009 at 6:39 pm Gunslingergregi

    but 50 on 5 jesus wtf is wrong.

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  622. The Ohio article couches its language in the PC Newspeak of our day.

    There are blatant double standards applied to blacks when they commit these these obvious racial hate crimes.

    Notice how quickly the “Jena Six” incident was swept from public attention by media sleight of hand.

    So much so, that not many here – even though well-educated and informed – could tell you the resolution.

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  623. on July 9, 2009 at 6:46 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Guns:

    Why one on one test of manhood. Shouldn’t be punished in any extreme way.

    5 on one no test at all. Should be heavily punished.

    Yes.

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  624. “Notice how quickly the “Jena Six” incident was swept from public attention by media sleight of hand.”

    Mostly what I remember of it was that 6 black dudes jump a white guy, beat him unconscious, got charged with attempted murder, charges were reduced, blacks demanded that they be freed because their civil rights were violated. As the only thing they were arrested for was jumping the white kid, I assume that the protesters think that is a civil right.

    At least, those are the conclusions I came to from the coverage.

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  625. Double standard.

    Case in point: ABC Evening News has full coverage on this very moment of black kids interviewed about their “feelings” at being merely kicked out of a Pennsylvania pool.

    But nada about the Ohio family getting beaten.

    Pool party vs beating.

    What’s more important? Well, ABC indicates pool party.

    I bet the Ohio incident gets snuffed as rapidly as can be.

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  626. on July 9, 2009 at 7:16 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Firepower

    I was JUST going to mention that difference in coverage.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Pool-Boots-Kids-Who-Might-Change-the-Complexion.html

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  627. Question:

    How do you feel about Hate Crime laws?

    O

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  628. on July 9, 2009 at 7:41 pm Gunslingergregi

    All crimes is hate should be harsher punishment for 5 on one. Which is bullshit. But 50 on a family they should be hung.

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  629. on July 9, 2009 at 7:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    1 on one who cares what race they are just two people fighting who cares about the reasons for there fighting it is an equal number. 5 on one is just fucking ridiculas. There should be punishment based on that not race.

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  630. on July 9, 2009 at 8:01 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    How do you feel about Hate Crime laws?

    O

    (a) They are completely unnecessary and serve to undermine the true authority and impetus of the penal system, and (b) they are obviously intended for political, not justice-related, ends.

    As for (a), a crime is a crime is a crime. The goal of the penal system should be to PUNISH CRIMES. Period.
    Dragging a white man behind a truck to his death is no more or less onerous than dragging a black or gay man to the same death.

    By infusing the system with the idea that we have to suss out the motivation behind every crime committed between races, we are undermining the principle of “you do the crime, you do the time”.

    As for (b), it’s readily apparent that the TRUE motive of “hate crime laws” is to disempower straight white males.
    If you don’t believe this, here’s a list of ALL hate crimes ever committed against straight white males, inspired by their straight-white-male-ness, that have EVER been prosecuted as hate crimes:

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  631. dana–

    query: is it hijacking a thread to continue to respond to the 1000000000000 posts directed at you?

    First of all, virtually no one has complained about hijacking a thread in here in, well, forever. It’s the culture here. Multiple hijacks, aka change of focus. The issue here is, is it interesting or not?

    If it’s an early hijack when the theme of the post hadn’t been well commented on yet, then there’s more of an issue. However some people will just tend to ignore the hijack and take it back to the original post if that’s still got corners to discuss.

    Second of all, the real issue here, as elsewhere (but we don’t care so much about thread hijacking if interesting) is attention whoring. this has some correlation to number of posts per thread, but unless the number is huge, that’s very crude. It’s really a signal to noise ratio. Interesting and esp. general theme of the blog interesting ideas are signal. Me, me, pay attention to me, is noise. Everyone who posts here, almost, would like some attention to “me”. The question is, how much signal, compared to how much noise?

    Your signal to noise ratio has been very high.

    Even though I do think you’re too broad brush on race culture issues. But very interesting. Your imagine if all whites in America die tomorrow vs. all blacks, and what the each would do to our civilization, was tough, but well yes, powerful too.

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  632. Epoxytocin,
    In theory I agree with you however, there was a time when such measures were needed because a Black person could be killed w/impunity. Take the Goodwin, Cheney and Schwerner murders in Mississippi for example-the accused was found not guilty by the jury, and had not the feds stepped in their families would never have found justice.

    I’d like to see this list of comparable hate crimes commited against White Males. Where may I find it?

    O

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  633. on July 9, 2009 at 8:45 pm Gunslingergregi

    You being on this blog to make sure we understand blackness is a hate crime against a white male.

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  634. on July 9, 2009 at 9:01 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Obsidian

    In theory I agree with you however, there was a time when such measures were needed because a Black person could be killed w/impunity.

    100% agreed.

    However, you must realize that the most important word in that sentence of yours is “WAS”.

    Today the pendulum has swung pretty far in the other direction. Not as far as it once swung in the other direction, of course, but I think we both want to see it sitting at the bottom of the proverbial arc.

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  635. on July 9, 2009 at 9:12 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    Also Obsidian, I’m still interested on your take on this, which may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

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  636. Hmm. Well, if what I’ve heard wrt AG Holder is true, there may not be any rolling back of hate crime laws at all. Personally, my view is that we need to keep a very close eye on such things, so they don’t get abused for political purposes, also get periodic review, etc.

    O

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  637. Obsidian–

    n theory I agree with you however, there was a time when such measures were needed because a Black person could be killed w/impunity.

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    Measures were taken. The civil rights acts of the 1960s.

    It took some time for the prosecutions to work through in retrying murder in cases of clear large racial bias in the local prosecution of such crimes but they did occur, and very harsh punishments under federal law for such normally state law crimes against blacks have been meted out.

    Now no one doubts this as a possibility.

    Federal hate crimes law was an effort at one way justice by the black/gay/Hispanic/feminist (largely for pile on) lobbies. It only worked because the media prevented much opposition from arising by it’s portrayal of the proposed law and any who might oppose it.

    It is sometimes applied against blacks in actual fact and in some places more than against whites. In cases where I’ve seen that’s the situation, it’s seemed legitimate.

    The trouble is the whole thing is so prosecutor discretionary. Truly loosey goosey.

    It should be abolished.

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  638. on July 9, 2009 at 9:51 pm Willard Libby

    Obsidian

    Epoxytocin,
    In theory I agree with you however, there was a time when such measures were needed because a Black person could be killed w/impunity. Take the Goodwin, Cheney and Schwerner murders in Mississippi for example-the accused was found not guilty by the jury, and had not the feds stepped in their families would never have found justice.

    I’d like to see this list of comparable hate crimes commited against White Males. Where may I find it?

    Cheney’s brother went on a black racist rampage in the 60s or 70s murdering many White men and women.

    Yet it received almost no attention.

    Most interracial crime is black on White and ALL violent crime is a form of “hate”.

    There are plenty of black hate crimes against White Americans as bad or worse as Emmitt Till, James Byrd of SG and C. Not that you want to know about it.

    But the media doesn’t want to highlight them, they don’t “fit the script” of White villains and black victims..

    Even the recent discovery of the black racist serial killer in LA, Thomas, was not called a hate crime despite the fact that he raped and murdered 30+ White women living in White areas while he was a black male living in black areas.

    That wasn’t a coincidence.

    His acts of racist hate were worse than the vast majority of so called White hate crimes against blacks.

    Yet no outrage, to talk of hate, no “rage in the White community” over these racist atrocities.

    And I’m sure your boy Holder is too much of a coward to even admit that racial profiling and hate were key to the motivation of this black racist serial rapist killer.

    Plus, conveniently, no matter how brutal the crime black male violence is it’s NEVER called hate.

    Only White men have the capacity to hate and act on that hate violently.

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  639. Doug,

    ty

    i paint with a broad brush because i try to look at it all from very high above and outside–like im looking at pieces in an RPG or those table maps they use to plan battles in world war 2 movies. or the way entomologists study bugs.

    when you are making a well grounded generalization you are making a statement on the statistical likelihood that any random class member will have a given characteristic.

    of COURSE ever member of any class doesn’t act like the generalization–of COURSE individuals differ from each other and their group’s stereotype. every woman isn’t a hypergamous gold digging whore with a tingly gina either–but for the purposes of WHAT’S DISCUSSED HERE, they are rightly spoken of as if they are. we are tyring to get at the core of how things work–you don’t get to that by treating every individual as a precious little snowflake.