Scenes From the Sexual Market

I shared space (acreage) on the elevator today with a woman pushing 300 pounds.  One of the VPs, a portly middle-aged man with strong body language, got on with us.  She exchanged a pleasantry with him and he briefly acknowledged her with a head nod.  She began telling him a story about her weekend when the elevator door opened and an attractive, slim Asian woman stepped in.  Right in the middle of the fat woman’s friendly conversation with him he promptly turned his attention to the Asian woman and offered up a big smile, eagerly asking about her week and flirting with her like he was a schoolboy with a puppy crush.

I watched the reaction of the fattie.  She looked chastened, forced to cut her own conversation off, and lowered her head looking at her shoes which were two sizes too small for her porky hooves.  I understood her pain, but I did not sympathize with it.  At her age, she should know how the world works.  If she wants to be treated better, she needs to lose a lot of weight and stop being a self-made sideshow freak.

Losers in life have to suffer in big and small ways every day, every hour, and every minute of their miserable existences.  Most of us don’t notice their suffering because we’re too wrapped up in our own dramas.  But suffer they do, their worthlessness as human beings getting shoved in their faces daily by others who aren’t even aware of their hurtful actions.

Welcome to the jungle.  There’s no opting out of this reality. 





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  1. Asians are hot.

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  2. Thats harsh, but true.
    In an ideal world, everyone would be shown a certain degee of respect, regardless of appearence or social standing.
    However, we’re not on that level and it would do her good to loose the extra weight.
    It would do everyone a bit of good to get into shape and curb their over-active appetites.

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  3. This post was not brutal.

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  4. Oh, I know of a few opt outs. One in particular.

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  5. heh. yeah, there is that. but where’s the upside?

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  6. Her genes wouldn’t be passed on..

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  7. oh i love opting out of reality. in fact, i create my own reality…and you know what’s weird? it all becomes true! not like i’m hallucinating, but it IS true. weird.

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  8. Despite my own inability to get a girl, I’ll admit that if your appearance isn’t up to par, then one shouldn’t be surprised that people will not be as interested. In terms of day to day, outside of the realms of the sexual meat market, we should try and treat everybody as fairly as possible. Like mm said, it may be an ideal, but we should try to strive for that ideal. There’s no real reason to treat the fat girl poorly compared to the hot girl.

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  9. david – the problem with your idealism is that we are avaricious sexual beings at our core and the rest is commentary. every interaction with people is tainted by this primal human instinct. most of the time, we aren’t even aware of it.

    btw, i’ve noticed a running theme in your comments having to do with your women woes. i’m not sure if this is a pity ploy or an accurate self-assessment of your sexual market value, so i’d like to ask you a few questions to get to the bottom of this.

    how old are you?
    how tall are you?
    how much do you weigh?
    how much do you bench press?
    what does your hairline look like?
    how much money do you make?
    do you have a car?
    are you good-looking?
    have you ever played a team sport?
    what is your occupation?
    how many friends do you have?
    when was the last time you went to a house party?
    have people besides your family called you funny?
    at a party, which happens first – you approach someone or someone approaches you?

    and finally:

    you go to a bar. you see two girls, one pretty, the other not so much. they both smile at you. you walk over to talk to them. who do you address first? what do you say? after a few minutes of conversation another man joins in, a stranger who does not know the women. he ignores you and talks to the women. what do you do?

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  10. the problem with your idealism is that we are avaricious sexual beings at our core and the rest is commentary. every interaction with people is tainted by this primal human instinct. most of the time, we aren’t even aware of it.

    Obviously, our sexual feelings are strong and can taint out experiences, but if we’re strong enough and aware of how we’re treating others, I think it’s possible to overcome or at least mitigate our treatment so even if we treat the beautiful girl well, at minimum, we don’t treat the ugly or fat girl poorly.

    btw, i’ve noticed a running theme in your comments having to do with your women woes. i’m not sure if this is a pity ploy or an accurate self-assessment of your sexual market value, so i’d like to ask you a few questions to get to the bottom of this.

    I think it’s a mix of both. Given the reaction to hunting for pity on two other blogs some with ruthless commenters, I’ll hesitate from hunting for pity. I’m rather frank and candid about my value on the market, and I don’t feel ashamed to admit it. As we all know, there are winners and losers in this market and nobody’s guaranteed anything, and nobody should be. Obviously, with a few changes, maybe things could pick up for me, but the status quo is much easier to deal with in the short term.

    I present my viewpoint so the reader can understand my reasoning behind the response on the topic. The situation of a woman can always vary depending on the viewpoint of the male’s sexual buying power and life experiences.

    For shits and giggles though:

    I’m 23, 5’7, 135 lbs, and unsure of the weight I can bench press since I don’t go to the gym. I’m not bald, but my hair is slowly receding, but it really isn’t noticeable yet. Compared to other men of my race and ethnicity (Caribbean), I’m not ugly, but I’m certainly not hot.

    I’m currently a community college student after recovering from the blowing away three years worth of money and time doing nothing. I live with my parents out in the ‘burbs, and interestingly in a neighbourhood of whites. I work part-time (at $11.33/hr) at a call centre here in high-cost-of-livingville.

    In terms of my social life, I do have a car (’99 Saturn), nor have I been in a team sport since my athetltic skills are non-existent. For all intents and purposes, I really don’t have friends who I hang out with, but I have people that I talk to on the internet on a daily basis, but former friends have said that I’m funny. I have never been to a house party, and if I’m at a party, generally, people approach me, rarely the other way around.

    As for your question at the bar, I’ve never been in that situation, and since I’ve never actually had a girl really smile or flirt with me in any form. If I was in the situation, I’d talk with the so-so girl since I’d have no chance for sex with the hotter girl, and I can squeak out a decent friendship with the so-so girl. If the other guy moves in, depending on his looks and personality, I may flee or stick around.

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  11. cot dayum roissy iz you a blogger or an interrogator?

    people who are constantly on the sniff at work irritate me, especially older guys who feel the need to go overboard with the flirting with young chicks cuz they havent had sex in 3 years and want to reaffirm to themselves and everyone that they’ve “still got it”. yeah ok. but even worse, it[exponentially] enables primadonna behavior of good looking girls in the workplace which makes them even less likely to do their job. these good looking, “power women” think they’re crashing through the glass ceiling, but their actions are completely counter to women’s rights and equality. when i treat them with scorn and ridicule they think i’m an asshole, but in reality i really ought to be receiving applause, praise, and handjobs for my role as a civil rights leader.

    … props to david for full disclosure… unleash the hounds, smithers.

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  12. I don’t know what height/weight/athletics has to do with it.

    I’m 6’0 – 6′ 1″, 225 lbs, 250 bench, 225 clean and jerk, 400 deadlift, so on and so on. I ride my bike 12.1 miles to work everyday. I have relatively long curly hair since it’s a pain to go all the way to Allure Hair Salon in Rosslyn every time I want my hair cut. I am constantly stopped by old ladies to tell me how handsome I am and it’s kind of creepy. Apparently, I remind everyone of their nephew, son, cousin.

    I’m a college graduate with a degree in mathematics and computer science. I have some electrical engineering and industrial engineering (8 credits left to finish that degree) experience. I’m working at a government contractor for 25.50 / hour, until I start my much more high paying job at Microsoft in September. Java is pretty neat.

    I do triathlons, played Rugby for two years in college, Ultimate Frisbee since I was little (organized ultimate frisbee with stacks and cuts, none of that random pick up crap), futbool (soccer), track, swimming.

    I can do elbow levers, handstands, v sits, and muscle ups. People say I’m absolutely hilarious and every time I’ve bothered to try to get a phone number from a girl I’ve gotten it, even if I’ve never actually called her back.

    Now, I’m extremely idealistic and reading your blog and Roosh’s blog is extremely depressing. It makes me really think hard about myself just because I’m not consumed by this need to bang every single woman that comes by.

    In fact, I want a monogamous relationship. This whole playing and gaming thing seems silly. The fact that women are so easily manipulated makes me lose respect for them as a whole.

    I know I’m not alone, because I have a friend who was captain of the track team in college and is probably one of the most responsible people, I have ever met. He’s a farmboy from Connecticut working at Exxon. He already owns a house and a car, is responsible for the distribution of 10 million dollars worth crude every day, and he can’t get a decent girl. He’s one of the most aggressive people I know in day to day living.

    Now, how do you explain our existence? My driving force in life is not to have alot of sex, though it would be a definite bonus. I have dreams and a list of things that I would like to do. From the noble to the fun. I’d like to find someone I can share my life with and growth together as a person.

    So let’s assume for a second that you’re right and all men are is reproduction machines. Apparently somehow my brain is so incredibly reprogrammed that sex is not the driving force in my life. In fact, I barely think about it at all.

    Somehow, this means I’m beta and all this other negative stuff. However, if I as human being can be so reprogrammed as to pursue an arguably more noble goal; how can that be said to be unnatural or bad?

    This is where I get angry at women. What the fuck are you doing banging all these players and then expecting to get picked up by some guy that satisfies all 500 points on your absolutely ridiculous list when you’re 30?

    /end rant

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  13. david:
    but the status quo is much easier to deal with in the short term.

    nothing worth having ever came easy.

    I’m 23

    +1 point.
    you’re not too old to start the training.
    your targets will be 18-25 year olds. financial stability won’t matter as much to this age group as it would to older women looking to marry. tight game will benefit you.

    5′7, 135 lbs[…]I don’t go to the gym

    short: -1 point.
    BMI = 21.1: 0 points.
    undeveloped muscle: -1 point.
    hit the gym and put on some mass. at 23, the muscle growth will happen. eat like a cow.

    but my hair is slowly receding

    0 points.
    not a negative hit to your attractiveness, yet. when it gets worse, do what other balding guys do; shave it off.

    I’m not ugly, but I’m certainly not hot

    0 points.
    looks aren’t as critical to a man’s mating success as it is for women. you have no reason to use your average looks as an excuse to avoid talking to women.

    I’m currently a community college student

    0 points.
    understanding women means understanding how little impact the school you go to has on attracting them. community college isn’t an achievement you can trumpet, but neither is it a disqualifying criterion, especially for your age when plenty of guys are still in school.

    I work part-time (at $11.33/hr) at a call centre

    poor: -1 point.
    while i wouldn’t advertise your income to prospective mates, this is not a fatal blow. at 23, you’re not so far below the norm with your income level that it should cripple you in the social arena.
    low status white collar job: -1 point.
    this job is not a demonstration of high value. start moving your career in a new direction. think about real estate.

    I do have a car (’99 Saturn)

    0 points:
    having a car is good, but you may want to trade that saturn in for something a little less… sensible.

    nor have I been in a team sport since my athetltic skills are non-existent

    -1 point.
    playing a team sport or having athletic skills are irrelevant outside of those specific contexts where the display of such attributes would enhance your status. the question was a proxy for other character traits that are typical hallmarks of alpha males. your answer provides a clue that you have an undeveloped competitive urge and possibly an inferiority complex from failing at athletics, which is a status-marker of outsized importance during your formative years.

    I really don’t have friends who I hang out with

    -1 point.
    solitude and retreat from face-to-face human interaction is a leading indicator of anti-social neomaxizimdweebery. go make some friends, but try to screen for winners. you’ll need a natural with the ladies to show you the ropes.

    I have people that I talk to on the internet on a daily basis

    -1 point.
    internet escape is a definite loser characteristic.

    former friends have said that I’m funny

    +1 point.
    chicks dig the wit.

    I have never been to a house party

    -1 point.
    lack of house party experience positively correlates with loner celibacy.

    people approach me, rarely the other way around.

    -1 point.
    in conjuntion with your other answers, i suspect you suffer from wallflower tendencies. girls reward assertiveness. force yourself out of your comfort zone. it’s the only way you’ll grow.

    there are 16 points to earn or lose based on the questions i asked you. in my system, the numbers break down this way:
    -16 to -8: you actively repulse girls. try man love.
    -7 to 0: you don’t immediately turn girls off; they just don’t notice you. you are a redeemable loser.
    1 to 7: you catch some girls’ eyes. they stick around for more than 2 seconds when you speak. you can get laid more than bi-annually just being yourself.
    8 to 16: you are an alpha. collect your booty.

    adding up your total score i get -7 points. stop whining and make yourself a better man. your age is your best asset right now. don’t waste it.

    If I was in the situation, I’d talk with the so-so girl since I’d have no chance for sex with the hotter girl, and I can squeak out a decent friendship with the so-so girl. If the other guy moves in, depending on his looks and personality, I may flee or stick around.

    this is the most pathetic piece of puling spinelss sniveling cowardice i have ever read. next time just ask for a penis prostate massage, it’ll save us all the affrontery of reading this garbage.
    butch up, man. i say this for your own good. you will continue to fail the gom jabbar if you don’t make a major psychological adjustment in your outlook. i want you to totally reframe the way you view yourself and your place in the world. i have taken the liberty of reformulating your answer:

    “If I was in the situation, I’d walk up with a smile and talk with both girls but focus on the so-so one first in order to neutralize her cockblocking impulse. i’d always have the hot girl in mind as my main target BECAUSE I MAKE NO APOLOGY FOR WHAT I WANT. in fact, i will be picturing sex with her as i walk over to meet them. during the conversation, i will sincerely get to know them to determine if they meet my qualifications as lover or friends. If the other guy moves in, no matter what he looks like, I will introduce myself to him and ask him logical questions about his job, sports, or the weather in order to befriend him and demonstrate to the girls my deft handling of any social situation. then i will either subtly turn my back to him and physically cut him out of the conversation or i will pawn him off onto the so-so girl i am not interested in.”

    you move through the world without excuse, david. pity party is over.

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  14. Many years ago as I was about to leave DC (after having been bounced from my ephemeral Beltway Bandit job), one of my colleagues threw me a going-away party. One of his friends there was a young black man, late 20’s, who also confided to me (someone he had just met) the same problem, so I’ll offer the same advice to David:

    Now as then, the numbers are substantially in your favor. Any black male who is not a drug addict, a “playa”, an abuser, or an ex-con ought to have no trouble whatsoever.

    If I were you, I think my target market would be someone who is aware that there’s something better out there–someone who was able to resist the script of the street and have two kids by 20 and is more future-oriented. She is in school, goes to church and has a job of equivalent status to yours.

    Best of luck.

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  15. “5′7, 135 lbs[…]I don’t go to the gym”

    Shortness deserves at least a -3. Gym is irrelevant. Don’t even bother with it. If necessary just tone with some dumbbells, works for me. The honey’s like toned, not mutated muscle.

    – Receding hair matters not a whit for black guys.

    David, you’ve got a low status job anyway, why not get one that contains lots of young girls? I was a waiter one summer a couple of years ago and mama mia!

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  16. “Any black male who is not a drug addict, a “playa”, an abuser, or an ex-con ought to have no trouble whatsoever.”

    This assumes that David is aiming for black girls, is this true?

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  17. nothing worth having ever came easy.

    I know, but I haven’t bothered since every time I feel rather bothered about the lack of a g/f, I whip out some porn and remind myself that no girl in real life will ever look that sexual and do half of the things on that video.

    Why fight for women when there’s easily accessible porn? 🙂

    your targets will be 18-25 year olds. financial stability won’t matter as much to this age group as it would to older women looking to marry. tight game will benefit you.

    Interestingly, I’ve written off the idea of dealing with women under my age group since it comes across as being desperate, and that only pathetic old men prey on younger women. Secondly, I don’t have the income of an older man to make attract such women, especially on an Island where every JAP has a parent to pay for her luxury car lease…

    hit the gym and put on some mass. at 23, the muscle growth will happen

    Obviously, that I should do just for general good health.

    looks aren’t as critical to a man’s mating success as it is for women. you have no reason to use your average looks as an excuse to avoid talking to women.

    I used to think that my downrated looks would make it difficulty for me since I’m a black Caribbean male interested in white women. Generally, when one crosses racial boundaries, there’s a tendency to pick from the better looking specimens to avoid conflict and embarrassment from those saying that one picked “trash”.

    BTW, I’ve sorta adopted a no black women policy, since there are simply too many ghetto black women to weed through. Plus, there’s a glut of unattractive black women.

    understanding women means understanding how little impact the school you go to has on attracting them. community college isn’t an achievement you can trumpet, but neither is it a disqualifying criterion, especially for your age when plenty of guys are still in school.

    It depends on the woman in many cases. Some will look down upon you for being the old guy at a community college especially when there are plenty of interesting grad school men worth dating while some others won’t care. It seems that around here, the former dominates. The girls who don’t care are either ugly, desperate, or screwed up in some form or another.

    this job is not a demonstration of high value. start moving your career in a new direction. think about real estate.

    I need something that’s part-time and allows me to go to school and complete my assignments. The pay while not glamorous is decent enough to allow me to pay some bills, and stash away money for tuition or savings. Obviously, something that pays better would be nice, but nothing has come up except for one offer that I do have some regret for not taking in the same industry.

    The long term plan is to go to grad school and major in public policy. Screw private sector work.

    BTW, isn’t RE, especially residential, heavily female these days?

    having a car is good, but you may want to trade that saturn in for something a little less… sensible.

    I’m actually rather content with the Saturn. Good on gas, easy and cheap to repair, better to drive than my friend’s frigging Civic, and dirt cheap to insure given my driving record.

    possibly an inferiority complex from failing at athletics

    Once upon a time, I used to run track, but I gave up on that crap since I ran rather slowly. Otherwise, my poor athletic performance has been the source of many jokes about me during primary and secondary school. I brushed them off because I knew that I sucked at those things and certainly, it made no sense to bother when there were other people who did a better job.

    solitude and retreat from face-to-face human interaction is a leading indicator of anti-social neomaxizimdweebery. go make some friends, but try to screen for winners.

    That would require people to be open and be interested in developing friendships. Given my past of broken friendships, one could see why I am apprehensive of building new ones. Plus, I don’t get along with most guys.

    It’s just so much more fun to shoot the breeze with the railfan buddies online than to bore the shit out of some people in real life.

    lack of house party experience positively correlates with loner celibacy.

    I’ve never been interested in going to those types of events anyway.

    i suspect you suffer from wallflower tendencies.

    Damn straight I do and I love it. It’s fun exploring and extrapolating the actions and habits of normal people. Unlike other people, I love listening into people’s one-way cellphone conversations and their gossip when they’re talking loudly in public places.

    Plus, being a wallflower is a great way to avoid being noticed when doing photography.

    girls reward assertiveness.

    Interestingly, unlike the legends of what women have said to male friends, my female friends have generally homed into that idea of why they’re been attracted to the males in their lives.

    your age is your best asset right now. don’t waste it.

    Oddly, I’ve considered my age as my worst asset since I’m too old to develop “good” habits since most men that I’m competing against have practice and expertise in dealing with women, and most women wouldn’t be interested in dealing with an inexperienced man.

    you will continue to fail the gom jabbar if you don’t make a major psychological adjustment in your outlook

    That’s rather interesting that your refer to an less than mainstream sci-fi series given your hate of the sci-fi geeks. Is that your inner beta showing?

    this is the most pathetic piece of puling spinelss sniveling cowardice i have ever read.

    Well, it was a highly realistic outlook given my ranking on the “markets”. In contrast, your answer reeks of drunken railings of somebody who thinks they have a chance with women. Given the choice between me and a taller, better looking, more charismatic, and richer white guy, I assure you I’d have no chance in hell. Unlike most guys, it doesn’t bother me because I simply accept how the world works in this market, and I don’t concern myself with “revenge” or bitterness towards women or the higher-ranking better men. I have obvious deficiencies when it comes to women, and if I’m unwilling to change it, then I have no one else to blame except for me.

    you move through the world without excuse, david. pity party is over.

    I never asked for a pity party. The Three-Minute hate is much more fun. 🙂

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  18. This is where I get angry at women. What the fuck are you doing banging all these players and then expecting to get picked up by some guy that satisfies all 500 points on your absolutely ridiculous list when you’re 30?

    My old female friends have been looking for men like you and your friend for years complaining that you don’t exist. Either women are not noticing men like you and presuming that you’re taken, or there’s no way of properly matching these men and women together. So-called players and “whores” have bars and clubs, but is there an equivalent for men like you and the females that you desire?

    Or maybe you can befriend the friendly chubby, but not obese girl. 🙂

    BTW, women are pickier these days since women now work in positions that allow them to earn decent money, thus they’re no longer dependent on a man to support them in the way that was necessary before the 1960s. Hence, women today can hold out for the alpha male and not worry about being impoverished, and thanks to changes in social structures, if need be, they can acquire some sperm or a baby from overseas and have children. In short, your beta ass isn’t “needed”.

    Even though today I’m one of the “losers”, I’d rather live in the world of today and be single then play deal with a woman who picked me because I was second or third best.

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  19. on July 27, 2007 at 11:45 am Days of Broken Arrows

    I have to chime in with this one: I’m really short, weigh very little, and never had a high paying job (although I always had high status jobs, something different). And yet I was able to date (amongst many women) a Girls of the Ivy League model, an heiress, a local beauty pageant winner (or something I didn’t pay attention), the high school hottie, blonde cherrleader, etc.

    What you guys don’t get is that women can be idiosyncratic creatures. They will often throw off all logic and reason if they like you. And maybe they’ll like you for a dumb reason, like you insist they hear your favorite reggae artist for hours on end. They’ll see you as “driven and passionate.” The trick is in being ingratiating. Learn to listen. Most guys don’t know how to behave aroun women and put them off, then blame other factors.

    What I do not recommend, though ,is marrying. This is what turned me into the bitter poster I am now. Shoulda stuck with the blonde cheerleader (whose mom I also dated). Those were the days.

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  20. You CAN “opt out”. Go to a library. Go to a hospital emergency room. Sit in a superior court trial. Intelligence rules the world, not hot Asian girls.

    If your existence is based solely on external appearances, with no substance to back it up, you are the same as a show dog or blue ribbon winning livestock.

    I very much enjoy reading this blog, and all the “playa” advise given. But I must say this is one of the more negative and naive post I have read in a while.

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  21. roissy, I think this is the first time I’ve heard someone use a Dune reference in conversation/post.

    “I remember your gom jabbar, now you remember mine. I can kill with a word.” – Paul Moa’Dib.

    DA, shit kid. Its all mind over matter, if you don’t mind it doesn’t matter. now get motivated.

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  22. “a less than mainstream sci-fi series”

    Dune? It’s the most famous sci-fi series of all time.

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  23. Wow, such vitriol for good advice. David Alexander is a classic example of a person who can’t succeed at various things, so he falsely expresses disdain for them as a means of disguising his failure. His disdain has even reached the level of a misplaced superiority complex.

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  24. David Alexander –

    i wouldn’t look to this blog or any of the other ones that rip off Tucker Max for advice on women or how you rate in the world. this guy has no idea what he is talking about. he is presenting himself as some sort of psychologist and casanova. he is neither. making generalizations about half of the population being dim witted sluts with loose morals is obviously ridiculous.
    Ask him to run down his list of points for himself, I guarentee he is full of shit.
    Anyway if you want advice about women ask one of your female friends. They will be a much better judge of women than these douche bags are. And if any of their tactics HAVE worked on women, then it is no surprise they have such a horrible opinion of women, because yes, agreed – those women have to be idiots.

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  25. david:
    Why fight for women when there’s easily accessible porn?

    if you have to ask…

    I’ve sorta adopted a no black women policy

    self-limiting policies are the rank aftertaste of sour grapes.

    …and dirt cheap to insure given my driving record.

    try a motorcycle. all of the above, plus the added cool factor.

    my poor athletic performance has been the source of many jokes

    screw athletics. you don’t need it anymore to impress women. build your muscle in the gym and people will assume you are athletic based on your physical appearance. you don’t need to get huge, just built.

    Given my past of broken friendships

    you demonstrate in your writing a reasonable level of intelligence and at least a rudimentary understanding of how to develop and keep rapport. the only thing stopping you from befriending people is your own twitchy reflex to box yourself in with excuses and your fear of rejection. start acting like you have more to offer even if you don’t personally believe it now.

    railfan buddies online

    oh man, it’s worse than i thought.
    try not to mention this on a first date.

    avoid being noticed when doing photography.

    you should be telling girls about your photography. play it up. sell yourself. you are now an intrepid world traveling photographer of volatile regions where life is tough and the people struggle every day just to survive.
    see? not so hard.
    half of pick up is advertising.

    Is that your inner beta showing?

    my inner mindfucker.

    In contrast, your answer reeks of drunken railings of somebody who thinks they have a chance with women.

    actually, drunkenness makes pick up much more difficult. you need to keep your wits about you.
    and, yes, you need to start believing that you have a chance with every woman you approach.
    irrational self-confidence beats mewling defeatism every time.

    have obvious deficiencies when it comes to women, and if I’m unwilling to change it

    every word you write drips with excuse-mongering.
    this is why you fail.

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  26. cuchulkan #16–that thought occurred to me right after I hit the send key.

    I think David’s approach would have to be modified, and be a lot more difficult, if he were pursuing an interracial relationship.

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  27. “Anyway if you want advice about women ask one of your female friends.”

    WRONG!!! This is BS. They will tell you to dote all over a girl when you should be doing the opposite.

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  28. I’m sorry some lady, but taking advice from women on women just seems like a bad idea. They can’t even tell you what they want most of the time. When they do say what they want it has zero correlation with what they actually want and how they behave. The only ones that seem to in any way honest are women that behave like Samantha in Sex and the City.

    Most honest women act like sluts and are openly sexual in the sexual revolution sort of way + Most women that seem to have no clue what they want and behave completely opposite to what they say => Men think all women are sluts.

    Ask a woman about what guy she wants. Now find out who were the last couple of guys she dated and slept with.

    That’s okay in college, but once you’re getting into 22-23+ range, women really are running out of time. I personally don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a cougar if you’re actually happy. However, no bitching about never finding the right guy.

    Plus what David Alexander said, most women claim they want men like my friend and I, but then they’re putthing their time and vagina where some other guy’s dick is (as in we get no dates and no sex).

    At the same time I admit our standards are higher. Well, mine are at least. My friend has this thing for asian girls and ugly ones at that

    These sites are not neccessarily rip-offs of Tucker Max. I seem them as a response to the all out assault on masculinity that second and third wave feminists have been carrying out.

    All this emotional IQ, alpha-male 2.0 bullshit, female sexual liberation, and other bastard childs of school humanity departments.

    The problem with feminism is the same problem with it’s opposite male patriarchal society model.
    They both try to tell women how they should behave and how they should act. This leads to a disconnect between brain and mouth and lots of unhappiness. We’re trying to brainwash girls by giving them GI Joes instead of Barbies and what you get is a girl that wants Ken as a husband, but acts like a man
    and ends up with an in the closet Will (aka Grace) as a “life partner.”

    Let women make up their own minds, if they have some preference for homemaking, teaching, and secretary work so be it.

    Anecdotal evidence: All the “smartest” girls at my tech school were complete psychos. They all hard weird diseases and disorders i never heard of and suffered from depression and spent alot of time in the counseling center. The happiest were the Electronic Arts majors that spent all their time partying and banging guys. They were also generally much more attractive too.

    To David Alexander:

    I was never really on a “team” team until I played Rugby in college. I was a complete and total nerd who only maintained some level of fitness, because my parents made me do sports and I was in love with frisbee.

    Around sophmore year in college I decided that I wanted to understand jocks, so I pulled a Luke Skywalker and joined the dark side. Plus Rugby turned out to be really fun. I was loosehead prop, which means when you see the scrum collide it was my body taking the 1000+ lb force of impact into the other person at the point of connection. I started doing CrossFit (www.crossfit.com), I started going to the gym, and doing pull ups on the pipe in my room. I went from 250+ lbs to 200 lbs then up to 225 in about a year. I started training to do elbow levers after finding about http://www.beastskills.com.

    Now I know even if it takes 5 years I will do an iron cross :-p

    I’ve completely changed the way I eat and switched to an evolutionary fitness diet.

    I even scored a try in Rugby and had to shoot the boot. Which is quite possibly one of the nastiest thing you can imagine doing. I’m quite happy that I didn’t have to shoot a nut boot (someone dunks their nuts into the team members largest boot after a guy, which has been filled with beer), just had a few people spit in it. If you want to experience the camaraderie that comes from being on a sports team where if you don’t support and get support from your team members so 300 pound mofo is going to plant a boot on your head, neck, or balls because they didn’t ruck over you hard enough just find a local rugby club :-p

    The point is that you can change yourself into almost whatever you want if you’re willing to work hard enough. Some people have certain things easier than others. For example, I can never attend a math class and just read the text books, show up an hour late for the exam, and still ace it or come close.

    On the other hand I have almost no muscle cuts anywhere on my body even though at a minium I bike 25 miles a day, 100 sitsup, 100 pushups, go for 6-7 mile run, do clean and jerk, bench press etc.

    Oh and my current girlfriend is Scotch-Irish from McLean, VA ( think entitlement princess land). I’m a mutt from South America (Mapuche, Scandinvian, Russian, Irish). I can’t go visit her at work anymore, because one of the pharmacists at her job thinks I’m stalking her and she thinks it’s funny so she doesn’t say anything. I assure you this has nothing to do with my dark skin and that I am one of three hispanic people in all of Great Falls and McLean not behind the counter at McDonalds.

    No excuses, but you’re unwillingness to make the commitment and have the neccessary dedication to get what you want.

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  29. McZee,

    Are you kidding me?! I just told one of my guy friends to STOP doing that. OK, yes you are kidding. All of you guys have to be kidding. Ha ha. OK, now I get it. Very funny.
    Women are a bunch of stupid sponge cake-brained whores!
    This IS fun!

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  30. “how old are you?
    how tall are you?
    how much do you weigh?
    how much do you bench press?
    what does your hairline look like?
    how much money do you make?
    do you have a car?
    are you good-looking?
    have you ever played a team sport?
    what is your occupation?
    how many friends do you have?
    when was the last time you went to a house party?
    have people besides your family called you funny?
    at a party, which happens first – you approach someone or someone approaches you?

    and finally:

    you go to a bar. you see two girls, one pretty, the other not so much. they both smile at you. you walk over to talk to them. who do you address first? what do you say? after a few minutes of conversation another man joins in, a stranger who does not know the women. he ignores you and talks to the women. what do you do?”

    This is a Dating Market Value (DMV) test/survey. Can we have a DMV test for the girls? We girls want to know our DMV score too, whether it’s a negative or positive number. Please post!

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  31. on July 27, 2007 at 7:37 pm Spike Gomes

    Came here through a link via gnxp.

    I’m pretty intrigued by the quiz given to DA, though I know my score would be very low due to my relative poverty and introversion, though throughout my university career it was bouyanced by activities in the arts. Thing is, I’m not looking to score with a lot of intelligent hot women. I’m in my late 20s. I merely want to settle down with one who isn’t psycho. I just want to gain enough game to move into the next stage of life. Of course some of that is now finding a real career.

    In anycase making a standardized test out of the one you gave DA would be interesting.

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  32. David Alexander is a classic example of a person who can’t succeed at various things, so he falsely expresses disdain for them as a means of disguising his failure. His disdain has even reached the level of a misplaced superiority complex.

    Actually, I’m rather open about my numerous failures ranging from the inability to attract women or keep friends or finish school within the normal 4 year time frame. I’m well aware of my own inferiority.

    if you have to ask…

    Admittedly, there is a point to asking such a question. Porn presents an ample supply of sexually attractive women who “designed” for sex due to the choice of clothing and shoes, high use of make up and fake nails, tattoos, and implants, and of course their mannerisms. In contrast, there are plenty of beautiful women who just don’t give off that same level of sexuality. The choice seems to be between masturbating to women who theoretically don’t exist in the real world that don’t need to be tricked into sleeping with me so I can orgasm, or women who exist in the real world who are beautiful and possibly attainable in a theoretical sense, but lacking in any raw sexuality.

    There are moments when I see men with so-so looking women and wonder why in this age of porn do these men stay with these women instead of holding out for hot women who look like porn stars. Either they’re realistic or I’m deluded, or they have low standards for who they’ll have sex with.

    self-limiting policies are the rank aftertaste of sour grapes

    I find white women to be better looking on average when compared to most black women. In turn, it’s also exacerbated by the fact that ratio of cute and beautiful black women to ugly black women leads to an oversupply of unattractive black women.

    Experience black women, then you’ll beg to be back with white women.

    you demonstrate in your writing a reasonable level of intelligence

    I personally think my writing is shit, and anybody who thinks it’s a sign of my intelligence is either not bright, or they’ve never seen well composed statements and paragraphs.

    your fear of rejection

    It’s a fear of rejection based on years of being rejected. Being continually rejected by people over the years doesn’t make it any more comfortable. One can become used to it, but it still hurts as it’s a sign of one’s low worth.

    oh man, it’s worse than i thought.
    try not to mention this on a first date.

    I’m well aware of this fact, and for many railfans, it’s something we only reveal after a long time. It’s hard enough to explain to male friends about the concept, and many women can tolerate it, but it’s just too weird to bring up on a first date.

    WRONG!!! This is BS. They will tell you to dote all over a girl when you should be doing the opposite.

    Actually, the women that I know have openly said that the best way is to be mature, self-assured, and go ask the girl out instead of sitting doting and waiting for her to make the move.

    I think David’s approach would have to be modified, and be a lot more difficult, if he were pursuing an interracial relationship.

    Generally, women hold higher standards when they cross racial boundaries.

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  33. Really, only one DMV test for women..

    What are you on a scale of 1 to 10..?

    Roissy, I don’t know why you try. Let him quit being who he is of his own volition. As for Dune.. badass

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  34. David Alexander, please read up on the definition of doting. You seem to think it means something like inaction.

    Black Women do suck though. Black people, really.

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  35. That’s okay in college, but once you’re getting into 22-23+ range, women really are running out of time.

    In terms of finding a man and settling down to have babies before turning 30? One of the reasons why both men and women in that age group aren’t really interested in settling down is because due to student loans and increased expectations for housing, weddings, and raising children, people cannot afford to have children in their mid-twenties. So, while everybody is paying off student loans, everybody is having a fun time until they become tired and coicidentally, their careers start paying enough to pay for 5 bedroom houses, luxury cars, Crate and Barrel children’s furniture, and $50K weddings and $10K engagement rings.

    On a side note, I thought that living at home would destroy my chances of getting a girl. Interestingly, a male friend of mine who’s a teacher and ex-HS and college football player lives at home and still manages to meet plenty of women. The same of my friend who’s a civil servant and lives with his parents as well. It seems that their like of flirting helps considerably while in contrast, I find it painfully awkward and boring and a waste of time in many cases.

    Plus what David Alexander said, most women claim they want men like my friend and I, but then they’re putthing their time and vagina where some other guy’s dick is (as in we get no dates and no sex).

    Like I said, I know some female friends who never got into the meat markets, and I know others who after experiencing it never returned. There are plenty of good solid women, and it’s your responsibility to go out and meet them. They may not be hot, but they’re good looking women in the 5 to 6 range, and if you’re focused on a long-term solid relationship, their personalities should win over their lack of hotness.

    Let women make up their own minds, if they have some preference for homemaking, teaching, and secretary work so be it.

    Shudder, that leads to a glut of women with low skills who end up leeching off men in order to have a comfortable lifestyle. There’s no benefit in that for any man unless you like having a woman depend on you for her spending money.

    Let him quit being who he is of his own volition.

    I think that’s probably the truth in this situation. As long as the status quo suits me, living in an isolated shell will always be more comfortable that engaging with the rest of the world. Not until the walls start to close in will somebody with my stubborn attitude change and become something different that isn’t my native personality.

    David Alexander, please read up on the definition of doting. You seem to think it means something like inaction.

    Touché, McZee. It still doesn’t invalidate the fact that they found the guys who sat around and adored them as weird creeps.

    Black Women do suck though. Black people, really.

    Pardon? I may want to marry a white girl so my kids can cash out on the IQ benefits, but let’s leave black people bashing alone.

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  36. You seem to feel free to do it. Far more insulting than what I said.

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  37. A small word here in favor of self-denigrating behavior and humor. It can be amusing (David A. is certainly amusing), and it can even work with gals. It can suggest “I got the confidence to speak quietly about myself, even to laugh at my own expense, and I have some perspective on my own looniness, yet I’m still in some kind of loose charge of things.”

    Trust me on this — I’m anything but prepossessing in the physical sense, and assertive studliness is not in my behavior-set. Yet as a single I had some adventures with girls, and I eventually married a six foot blonde hottie. (3 inches taller than me, I should add.)

    In other words: Non-assertive dudez, you don’t have to morph into Vin Diesel or Tom Cruise to do well with girls. Work with what you’ve got — accept it, go with it, enjoy it. Don’t change what it is, just relax about it a little and take it public.

    Really I’d say that the thing that makes all the difference is to genuinely enjoy women. They’re all kinds of crazy things, and much of it is semi-enchanting. (Though there *are* those moments when you’re listening to her go on about her career and her feelings and you’re thinking, “Jesus, hours of this all for the sake of some nookie …”) Still: if you’re actually interested, if you’re fairly comfortable with who you are, if you have some patience (as in, “you’re hot, you turn me on, but I’m willing to see if there’s anything between us as people”), if you’re open to what a woman has to offer as a person … I swear to god you won’t wind up lonely.

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  38. No pity for the fattie — she should lose weight and be a bit more fastidious about her clothing & make-up. It’s just a basic thing everyone should do. To the extent that you refuse to, it sends the message that you think you’re too good to perform the minimal requirements of civilized existence.

    If you’re a Young Hollywood babe, then maybe you can pull that off; as bratty as you’ll appear, at least you won’t be ugly. But especially in the case of a fattie, it just makes it all the more repulsive: how could you possibly think you’re too good to polish yourself in the morning?

    Same goes for guys too: if you’re a short, meek weakling with frat boy clothes, take a wild guess why girls aren’t interested. Height and acquiescence, you can’t change, OK. But letting your body and attire go to shit bespeaks a lack of ambition (or again, that your high status is so secure that you can afford to look like a bum).

    You can’t blame girls for not wanting to date a guy who has smaller balls and smaller dreams than they do — they’re girls for god’s sake. Their greatest aspiration is to leech off of a trophy husband and shoe-shop most of the day. How hard can it be to appear more ambitious than that?

    I know, there are exceptional girls — few nowadays, and in any case unlikely to be found in the large metro areas where we all live.

    Try taking caffeine, like coffee; stimulants… well, stimulate your nervous system and get you going, doing things. If you’re low on testosterone, you can probably find some BS reason why you’d need T-shots.

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  39. on July 28, 2007 at 3:40 am nullp0inter

    I wonder if you could give your kids to Testosterone to make sure they don’t grow up to be [economic] girly men?

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  40. Damn, so much negativity and bitterness here. Now those are even bigger turn-offs to women than a low bench press or an old car.

    I’d advise everybody to look carefully at Michael Blowhard’s comment #37, it’s got the most genuine wisdom of anything I’ve seen posted on this blog.

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  41. on July 28, 2007 at 4:42 pm nullp0inter

    Publishable, applicable results. Now who among you will be the next Max? The next Strauss?

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  42. on July 28, 2007 at 9:33 pm nullp0inter

    David, you need to look at those harvard studies about beauty, attraction, and race. You sound like the classic example of showing a preference for white women, because of constant indoctrination with beauty symbols.

    I had this sudden revelation once, when I was looking at a black female’s face. I was trying to figure out why it wasn’t attractive, then suddenly it felt like something shifted in my head and I realized it wasn’t ugly, it was just average. The only reason you think black women are ugly is because your constantly bombarbed with sharp featured people as ideals of beauty.

    The most telling signs of attractiveness for a women are her waist to hip ratio and symmetry. The fact that black people have sexually selected towards certain features only makes them “ugly” towards other populations that have strong sexual selection against those features.

    Proof of this is that mixed-race people are taking over the world’s most beautiful charts. Just look at the last people’s list. The whitest girl in the top 12 was Nicole Kidman at 12.

    Eva Longoria, Jessica Alba, Shakira, Halle Berry, Beyonce, Rihanna are all examples of what happens when your brain can’t strongly select against obvious secondary sexual characteristics and must focus on primary.

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  43. What, Mariah Carey wasn’t on that list??!!

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  44. Roissy,

    Based on your point system, I’d score in the Internet Hermit category, yet I’ve regaled you with tales of my beautiful Polish girlfriend who nearly floods the room with her orgasms whenever we have sex. Somehow she must have gotten wind of just how good my cunnilingus skills are. There’s no other excuse, except of course my charm, wit, and good looks.

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  45. Eva Longoria, Jessica Alba, Shakira, Halle Berry, Beyonce, Rihanna are all examples of what happens when your brain can’t strongly select against obvious secondary sexual characteristics and must focus on primary.

    Yes, the women you’ve listed are very beautiful women, but they’re good looking by white standards. The problem is that your average black woman with few white features is less attractive than your average white woman, IMHO. I’m not saying that there are no attractive black women, but there are more unattractive black women than attractive black women.

    The second problem is that a good number of black women have ghetto tendencies that make them unappealing on a number of levels even for a short-term relationship. Even growing up in a working and middle class milieu, it seemed that black women were less likely to give up “ghetto” tendencies than the males were.

    What, Mariah Carey wasn’t on that list??!!

    Mariah Carey’s kinda hot in a chubby mixed-race light skinned girl way.

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  46. David,

    With your being black, there is an existential contradiction between your position that black women are undesirable and your desire to be with white women.

    If you hold white women’s physical features as absolute standards of beauty (as I do, but I’m white; and I believe that east Asian men hold east Asian women as their ideals of beauty, etc), then by your logic, any child, particularly a daughter, that you create with a white woman will be an adulterated version of the original.

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  47. If you hold white women’s physical features as absolute standards of beauty (as I do, but I’m white; and I believe that east Asian men hold east Asian women as their ideals of beauty, etc), then by your logic, any child, particularly a daughter, that you create with a white woman will be an adulterated version of the original.

    Actually, the theory is based that my children will be half-black, and thus better than what they would have been if they were fully-black. Then, hopefully, my half-white children will marry other white people, so that their children will be closer to whiteness.

    Of course, my grandmother reminded me of great-aunt’s similar desires and how her mixed-race children turned out to be rather dark skinned, so it doesn’t really guarantee anything in terms of skin-tones, and certainly it wouldn’t guarantee anything in terms of inheriting high IQ of whites either. Nor am I guaranteed that marrying a white woman will magically open doors or if my kids will be accepted either. It’s a big gamble on my part.

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  48. David, yes that’s true about Mariah Carey, but she’s 37 now. You may be too young to remember her when she was about 20-25.

    But that raises a good point, because alpha male Tommy Mottola got to leave sperm in her vagina during her period of greatest fertility. Unfortunately, no spawn issued.

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  49. David,

    I respect your forthrightness and civility when discussing this subject. You do expect, don’t you, to encounter resistance from your prospective white father-in-law. He might even disown his daughter, or at least feel deeply hurt by her. I imagine you will understand his point of view.

    Then again, you seem like a decent guy, so comparing alternatives, he may be luckier than men whose daughters went for playas.

    Nevertheless, you and your potential white wife will probably also feel a chill from people in general. Or an overcompensating sweeness: “oh, what a beauuuutiful baby!”

    My sister, a very attractive blonde, 25 at the time, was once hanging out with my black work buddy (a devout Christian dude, celibate, but very athletic and handsome), waiting for me to join them for a couple of drinks at the Inner Harbor in Baltimore. They did some window-shopping in nearby stores to kill time before I got there.

    She told me later that the chill, stares, and averted eyes she got from virtually 100% of white passer-bys and black women is not something she could endure for one day, much less for life.

    You probably understand that all of this happens not because “society is evil”, but because human nature is what it is.

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  50. I respect your forthrightness and civility when discussing this subject.

    Thank you. 🙂

    You do expect, don’t you, to encounter resistance from your prospective white father-in-law. He might even disown his daughter, or at least feel deeply hurt by her. I imagine you will understand his point of view.

    That’s one of the reasons why I’ve never really pursued a relationship, even the few that were mine for the taking. I don’t want to cause problems between parents and their child, and in the long-term such alienation can affect the relationship. It’s one of the reasons why interracial relationships fail even when both parties are both good people committed to each other. The social intimidation maybe less than in years past, but it’s still strong.

    She told me later that the chill, stares, and averted eyes she got from virtually 100% of white passer-bys and black women is not something she could endure for one day, much less for life.

    I’ve heard that whites presume that the white women who date black men are either screwed up, on drugs, interested in bad boys, or just simply white trash and unwanted by white men. Black women view the white (and Asian) women as thieves who take away from the small supply of good black men.

    I’m already tired of the looks that I get from people by living in a white neighbourhood. Parading around with a white woman could probably drive me to insanity. Admittedly, from my experience, I haven’t had that many weird looks by being around white women. Maybe it’s because I live up North, but I don’t live in New York, but on slightly more conservative and segregated Long Island.

    Admittedly, even I will give the black-white interracial couple a stare. Not because I hate them, but because it is admittedly different from standard pairings, and eventually the mind starts wondering why they’re together and if they’re either “white” trash, or if he’s an upstanding black male.

    I’m still surprised that in the US, intermarriage rates between blacks and whites are low, but in the UK and Canada, intermarriage rates are much higher between the races. Maybe the fact that most blacks are foreigners plays a role.

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  51. Nevertheless, you and your potential white wife will probably also feel a chill from people in general. Or an overcompensating sweeness: “oh, what a beauuuutiful baby!”

    I’ll also add that I have a cousin who married into upper middle class Australian society. Their child is rather white looking, and my cousin has been mistaken for the nanny on several occasions which is ironic given that she has a degree from an Ivy League school and she’s neither dark nor light skinned*. Her daughter seems to have inherited questionable tendencies, and seems to be cry whenever she’s around her black family members, but not her white family.

    *In the Caribbean, she’d be referred to as “red” skinned. I’d fall under the same class as well due to being of French ancestry from both paternal and maternal lineage.

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  52. Weird, I just wrote a short post on how hot Mariah Carey used to be at 20-25… before her record company or whoever lost their ability to keep her skankiness under wraps.

    I’d advise everybody to look carefully at Michael Blowhard’s comment #37, it’s got the most genuine wisdom of anything I’ve seen posted on this blog.

    Well, all guys should also be warned that Michael Blowhard was David Alexander’s age when the sexual revolution first broke out and no one knew what the consequences would be of no inhibitions, free love, etc. American girls are still somewhat slutty, but times are different from the early-mid ’70s.

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  53. IMHO, the skankier Mariah Carey looks better than the non-skanky one.

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  54. No one thinks that maybe the cute Asian girl wasn’t exactly thrilled with the “reward” of some manager’s slobbering attention? He’s LESS likely to promote her if he thinks she’s sexy. I doubt she’s interested in some “portly” VP (sounds like she takes care of herself – she probably expects the same.) And she can’t be obvious about this or his feelings will be hurt and he will punish her. So um, I agree he was rude. But I don’t think either woman really had a good time on the ride. Male attention DOES NOT = “reward” or “future career success” It is often more of a career risk than anything else.

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  55. I’m still surprised that in the US, intermarriage rates between blacks and whites are low, but in the UK and Canada, intermarriage rates are much higher between the races. Maybe the fact that most blacks are foreigners plays a role.

    Especially in Britain, interracial marriages are almost as likely to involve a black woman as a black men. That’s in great contrast to the United States, where it’s usually the man who’s black.

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  56. No one thinks that maybe the cute Asian girl wasn’t exactly thrilled with the “reward” of some manager’s slobbering attention?

    a. she flirted back, subconsciously
    b. he worked in a separate business entity and had no power to affect her employee status.

    it was an open and shut case of a pretty woman and a powerful man feeling mutual attraction and acting on it through flirtatious displays of interest. the fattie just happened to have been caught in the lovefire.

    but i am not surprised that you would see this situation through the drab-colored glasses of femipissed patriarchal power leveraging theory 101.

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  57. he worked in a separate business entity and had no power to affect her employee status

    Based on the way your wrote the original posting it sounded as if the portly VP was in the same company as the Asian woman. Hence Dizzy’s confusion, and mine too.

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  58. m. blowhard: (i enjoy your site, btw)
    A small word here in favor of self-denigrating behavior and humor. It can be amusing

    self-deprecation is a risky strategy for men who have real reasons for self-deprecation. men with a lot of positive qualities can afford to be self-deprecating because they lose nothing by it. it’s a status display that tells women you have so many resources that you can playfully take a whack at yourself.

    Non-assertive dudez, you don’t have to morph into Vin Diesel or Tom Cruise to do well with girls.

    assertiveness could mean as simple a thing as saying what’s on your mind, or being the first to suggest a place for a dinner date.

    Really I’d say that the thing that makes all the difference is to genuinely enjoy women.

    agreed.
    to surrender caring about the outcome of the date is the first step to enjoying the company of a woman.

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  59. hey putos

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  60. That was a humorless feminazi comment? Really? I guess I’m not surprised you would be convinced that it was anything other than a girl who has probably had some practice in not hurting the feelings of a guy who has no shot (she can do better than portly, admit it…) And I noticed you said the fat one had her “lack of worth as a human being” rubbed in her face? Attention from men affirms her worth as a human being?

    I’m really not trying to be a feminazi. I’m trying to say that not every girl is excited or flattered or validated by being hit on. I like social flirting too. I had a great time with a 20 year old from Arkansas on a recent Metro trip. And maybe this incident was something similar. But flirting with a higher up in any department is not generally the sort of “fun” I have at work. Other girls talk. People judge you for it. If it’s forced on you, it’s awkward to refuse (you have to pretend it’s just a little joke and you know they couldn’t be serious….) If it’s something she’s seeking, she is not bright.

    That has nothing to do with feminism, actually. It’s just real-world observation.

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  61. And wait, she flirted back “subconsciously?” So you know more about what she wanted than she does? She wasn’t overtly flirting. You could just tell she really was “Into it.” Despite what she may have personally thought. Isn’t that a bit… convenient… for your theory?

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  62. tizzy:
    (she can do better than portly, admit it…)

    his power more than made up for his portliness.
    note that if the genders were reversed this would not apply.

    Attention from men affirms her worth as a human being?

    as a proxy for her worth in the sexual market, yes.
    which is really the only thing that matters when you get right down to it.

    I’m trying to say that not every girl is excited or flattered or validated by being hit on.

    sure, where the guy is unattractive.
    in fact, getting hit on constantly by ugly and low status people of the opposite sex can often lower one’s self-esteem.
    that is why women talk out of the sides of their mouths when discussing their prerogative to dress and act sexily yet demand freedom from unwanted male attention.
    they have to advertise in a sea of guppies to catch a shark.

    If it’s forced on you, it’s awkward to refuse

    women with chips on their shoulders use words like “forced” and “refuse” to describe the subtle dance of sexual flirtation.
    it really isn’t necessary.
    normal healthy women simply don’t return the man’s undesired flirting in kind. most men get the hint.

    And wait, she flirted back “subconsciously?”

    i’m curious, have you spent much time in any social scene where men and women mingle and flirt? if you have, then you’d know that people subconsciously express their attraction for someone with subtle cues in body language and voice tonality. this pretty asian woman twirled a finger through her hair as she departed the elevator and she was smiling to herself and biting her lip after the guy left. the signs were obvious to anyone whose critical analysis skills weren’t clouded by preconceived dogma.

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  63. Dizzy’s posts illustrate very clearly the Junior Anti-Sex League mentality I referred to above. Roissy, you are so right that a woman’s sexual worth in the marketplace “is really the only thing that matters when you get right down to it”. Her worth is directly related to her fertility and her perception thereof among the male population. Those with sharper indicators of fertility have a broader range of sperm sources from which to choose. Dizzy may not like that, but that’s the way it is and will forever be.

    All my life I’ve had to put up with such shit from such termagants, which is why I didn’t lose my virginity until 27 and didn’t get married until 45. Among the Inner Party, you have to be excruciatingly careful about what you say or you won’t make it past the first date gauntlet (if you even get that far and are lucky enough not to have charges filed against you for making her feel “uncomfortable”).

    Among the Proles, however, life continues blissfully unaware of such protocols. Whenever I shop at Wal-Mart and see the legions of pregnant teenagers there, I can’t help but marvel at how effortlessly Prole penises find their way into Prole vaginas, leaving sperm behind to start more Prole babies.

    This is principally because women now compete with men, and have that option. Unfortunately, this leads to declining birth rates and the relative rise of other groups that simply do not permit women not to breed. Patriarchy is coming back, one way or another.

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  64. I have to say, roissy’s pretty insightful, and the free advice he’s giving David Alexander is gold. I’m in the same position as David (age-wise, that is, having the same third-life crisis), and David is making the perfect “bad example”. This whole exchange, with David being the archetypal “hopeless loser” and roissy pointing out every single one of his self-inflicted faults is just the motivation I needed to jolt me out of my funk. It’s hard to believe that roissy didn’t completely fabricate this sniveling, self-loathing piece of human refuse just for demonstration’s sake.

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  65. “when one crosses racial boundaries, there’s a tendency to pick from the better looking specimens to avoid conflict and embarrassment from those saying that one picked “trash”.”

    i think thats the way it is when you pick amongst your own race.

    its just that it sorta goes double when you date interracially. that used to be one of the biggest stereotypes about black men – that we like white girls so much that we’ll even take the dogs. as a black man who has had several caucasian girlfriends, ive always been cautious of that myself

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  66. on April 27, 2008 at 4:27 am JaliliMaster

    It’s hard to believe that roissy didn’t completely fabricate this sniveling, self-loathing piece of human refuse just for demonstration’s sake.
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    I think that is a perfect description of this David Alexander fellow!

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