Safeway Siren

Standing in the mixed nuts section of Safeway, a blur of blonde caught my peripheral vision. Turning, I saw a gorgeous girl following a middle-aged man around the fruit bins. She looked about 18 years old, at the peak of her womanly ripeness. She was wearing velvet athletic shorts so small that the underside of her ass barely poked through the bottom, a divine demarcation between legs and buttocks. Her breasts were perfection — round, firm C cups that pulled her t-shirt taut. She walked with the bouncy, playful, slightly self-conscious gait of a younger girl swathed in the fleshy encumbrances of an older developed woman. She was a solid 9.

The man was pasty, dumpy, 45-ish, and smiling like a goof; a very happy herb, indeed. His body language was animated and he talked rapidly, cheerfully. Something about this duo was peculiar. This wasn’t a father-daughter team. I gathered my nuts and left the two behind. We rendezvoused again in aisle 9, next to the sardines and canned tuna. This time, the girl glanced at me with big eyes and parted lips, and if it wasn’t a trick of store lighting, her face blushed a pink hue. I matched her glance while the herb continued chattering in her ear, oblivious to our silent flirtation.

I lingered a bit around them to gather valuable information. She had an accent. She looked northern european; I suspected she was Dane or Norwegian, perhaps of Baltic descent. She had a limited grasp of English and, presumably, American culture, as the herb, who looked like he was about to die of a heart attack from swelling happiness, spent a lot of time slowly explaining the foodstuffs for sale and the pricing convention to her.

It didn’t take long for me to assess the situation; she was either an au pair or a foreign exchange student and the herb was the host family herbiarch. This was the most likely scenario. The three of us passed each other a few more times in aisles 7, 4 and 1. Each time she met my eyes with tender, yearning lust.

What grabbed my attention wasn’t so much that an au pair was flirting with me, but the behavior of the herb. I’ve never seen a more joyous middle-aged man. He was practically skipping down the aisles, his gums flapping a million miles an hour, his jowly cheeks inflamed a crimson hue, his voice a confident baritone of manly vigor. This was a man who clearly felt infused with new life. The physically close company of this young woman, who it should be noted smiled warmly at the herb and listened attentively when he spoke, shaved 20 years of age off his life. No windfall of riches, no business success, no winning home sports team can inspirit a man as vitally as a young, pretty woman in his thrall.

Naturally, the herb imagined more thrall than there was, if his au pair’s surreptitious flirting with me was any indication. But picture the likely contours of this herb’s life: A fat and dumpy sow wife, ingrate kids, crippling mortgage on an oversized house, sensible sedan, shit job, depressing neighbors, and a gloomy sunken aging face that young American women no longer seriously entertain with their flirtations staring back at him apathetically in the mirror every morning. One can understand why a herb of this caliber would spring to life inhaling the meagerest estrogenic perfumes of an 18 year old vixen.

At the cash register, herb and hottie rolled up behind me. As I placed my selection of delicious fruits and almond butter on the conveyor the girl nervously fidgeted with her shirt and peered down at her feet. A wave of shyness contorted her face and body. She pulled out a pack of gum which she fumbled and dropped to the floor. It landed on my shoe, so I bent over and retrieved it for her, never letting my eyes waver from hers. The herb must have noticed this change in her countenance because he stopped chattering about the great items one can find in an American supermarket and took his first look at me. Perhaps he pieced it together, but probably not. I smiled at them both and left the store.

My future. It won’t be that herb’s. Hookers, game and, if need be, expatriation to cash in on my Americanness with a much younger loving, sexy East European or South Asian woman. Anything less would be… uncivilized.





Comments


  1. Goddamit, you can really write sometimes. Excited for the book.

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  2. Great story, Roissy.

    I agree with the comment about Eastern Europeans. I’ve been studying Russian for several years and been to Russia a few times. The culture of men vs. women is totally different there: it’s more like it was in the fifties in America. It really is a different world once you leave the West.

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  3. yes, young women will bring a man back to life…remember “American Beauty”.

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  4. on September 3, 2009 at 1:13 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Supermarket game, Roissy? Perhaps this deserves a deeper fleshing out… “how to close a supermarket MILF in ten minutes: post-civilization edition”.

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  5. Should have approached and picked her up. She wanted some.

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  6. on September 3, 2009 at 1:16 pm master of conception

    Why didn’t you talk to her? Leave e-mail or something.

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  7. What, no witty register conversation or number close? Even with the gum-pack invitation? Blown opportunity, my friend. Talk about a perfect short-term fuck buddy.

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  8. you’re writing a book ?

    🙂

    man i wish someone would write something like that about me .

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  9. “I gathered my nuts and left the two behind.”

    Taken out of context this could be a line from a feminist blog.

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  10. Hookers, game and,

    Why hookers? A man who supposedly has tight Game should have no need for hookers…….

    Why would Roissy need hookers?

    [editor: at some point, even game will yield to the rude decay of time.]

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  11. Already read it in…

    that book by Nabokov

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  12. Hookers will probably be required eventually as one reaches a horribly old age.

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  13. Roissy,

    I didnt know you were in to South Asian women..Typo perhaps? You probably meant East Asian? Dont you hate the 3rd world immigrant crowd?

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  14. “expatriation to cash in on my Americanness with a much younger loving, sexy East European or South Asian woman.

    This was a surprising turn of events. South Asian women is more of a niche market than East Asian or Black.

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  15. Dont you hate the 3rd world immigrant crowd?

    You’re confusing him with some of the more rabid racists here.

    It’s be illogical and irrational for him to ‘hate’ an entire group of people. He can want to keep them out of our country – nothing wrong with that – but there’s no reason to hate them.

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  16. This was a surprising turn of events. South Asian women is more of a niche market than East Asian or Black.

    Maybe he was thinking Persian? Does Roosh have a cute cousin?

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  17. I have had maybe one or two men interested in me fetishize my race (mostly ethnically Indian), as opposed to the billion suitors Asian women get for the mere token of being Asian, or even black girls.

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  18. South Asian, like Indian, Pakistani, or Bangladeshi?

    or Southeast Asian, like Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian, Thai?

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  19. Maybe Roissy has a newly discovered fantasy about FemX. Let’s not overthink it, guys.

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  20. on September 3, 2009 at 1:47 pm The Fifth Horseman

    km80 :

    Dont you hate the 3rd world immigrant crowd?

    South Asians are the HIGHEST income group in America, with the highest educational attainment of all. Higher than Jews, Chinese, and WASPs.

    Get a clue, fool.

    This is exactly what I mean about the shocking stupidity of a lot of the bigots. There is no distinction between UNEDUCATED illegals (Mexicans, MS-13), and HIGHLY EDUCATED, *legal* immigrants (usually Indian, Chinese, Iranian, etc.).

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  21. …or an appeal to his large brown girl readership.

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  22. [editor: at some point, even game will yield to the rude decay of time.]

    So you are not optimistic about sexbots, then? Even 25 years from now?

    Nor are you optimistic about aging being slowed down? Randall Parker would be shattered.

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  23. No windfall of riches, no business success, no winning home sports team can inspirit a man as vitally as a young, pretty woman in his thrall.

    but helping his son learn to read, host friends at a paint-ball party, and graduate from West Point will infuse him with more lasting satisfaction.

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  24. on September 3, 2009 at 1:55 pm The Fifth Horseman

    but helping his son learn to read, host friends at a paint-ball party, and graduate from West Point will infuse him with more lasting satisfaction.

    True, in theory.

    But then again, you are someone who has openly admitted to having cuckolded your husband, and you are trying to rationalize your rape of him through statements like this.

    You have openly cuckolded your husband. Evil. Cruel.

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  25. Technically, since you’re not familiar with the herb in question’s daily personality, you’re just guessing that his chipperness was due to the girl in question.

    Now I have no difficulty in believing that he was springier and perkier than normal under the influence of the knockout foreign girl he’s lucked into, but unless you personally know his baseline behavior you don’t know just exactly how much she was perking him up or how dreary his daily life is.

    With no emphatic understanding of the inner life of the kind of beta-male that made the US great (which this guy probably is) your description of what you think his life must be like sounds patronizing and false and most surely …. wrong. You sound a little like a fish in the ocean imagining what life is like for his cousins that headed for land “all that horrible gravity pushing them down, and that awful dry life-destroying air drying out their scales and getting in their lungs, how can they stand it?”

    A little respect is called for. Go ahead and reject the Herb lifestyle if you want to (I certainly did) but realize that you need the Herbs of the US to keep Herbin’ on a lot more than they need you to continue your manwhore ways (a _lot_ more).

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  26. @ Cliff

    With no emphatic understanding of the inner life of the kind of beta-male that made the US great

    Where do you get that from? Classic WWII veteran, who was a father of 5 in the 50s and worked an engineering job at Northrop Gruman was no beta.

    Stable family != beta.

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  27. Safeway game? Getting eye-fucked by a 9 that’s, what, ten years younger than you? Were you shopping while contrapposto? Or is this VK’s story?

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  28. @the fifth

    But then again, you are someone who has openly admitted to having cuckolded your husband, and you are trying to rationalize your rape of him through statements like this.

    you’ve openly admitted to stealing my identity here. do you work for National Enquirer?

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  29. Cliff:

    “Technically, since you’re not familiar with the herb in question’s daily personality, you’re just guessing that his chipperness was due to the girl in question.”

    What else would it be due to? 45 year old men aren’t naturally chipper.

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  30. “father of 5 in the 50s and worked an engineering job at Northrop Gruman was no beta”

    Yeah, we all know that middle aged engineers are pussy magnets.

    Too many people here are trying to formulate alpha = “good example to be followed” and beta = bad and it’s not that simple.

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  31. on September 3, 2009 at 2:17 pm The Fifth Horseman

    you’ve openly admitted to stealing my identity here. do you work for National Enquirer?

    What?

    You yourself admitted to cuckolding your husband (unless there is more than one ‘anony’).

    You are not denying the cuckolding here, if you are the same one.

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  32. @The Fifth Horseman
    Being a second generation SouthAsian indian I very well know how much money we make. I come from a family of physicians..I was trying to get an idea of where Roissy was coming from based off his previous writings..You can’t be flying off the handle for everything you read..Moron!

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  33. As I placed my selection of delicious fruits and almond butter on the conveyor the girl nervously fidgeted with her shirt and peered down at her feet.

    Do people actually behave like this in real life? I just can’t see it.

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  34. on September 3, 2009 at 2:21 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Cliff Arroyo,

    You are drifting into the same cognitive dissonance and feminist-assistance that SocialCons (aka BetaCons) do.

    Roissy never said Beta males were bad. The whole point of the concept is that feminism/misandry has polluted the media and legal system to such a degree, that the traditional, VALUABLE role of Beta males has been hugely devalued.

    Hence, the average man is taking huge risks getting married under the laws that exist today, and the vested misandrist interests would like to keep men unaware of how anti-male the divorce laws are.

    Socialcons (BetaCons) are equally at fault for not just being utterly clueless as to the feminist changes to the legal system in the last 40 years, but also being so afraid to confront feminists (since feminist shaming language is super-effective against socialcons), that they would rather throw men under the bus.

    It seems that you don’t recognize the crux of the problem : that American society has devalued, used, and discarded the Beta male. It seems you think it is perfectly fine for men to withstand the lopsided mistreatment that modern divorce laws inflict on them.

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  35. on September 3, 2009 at 2:24 pm The Fifth Horseman

    km80,

    Then you have done yourself a disservice in even using that 20-year obsolete term ‘third world’. What is the ‘second world’? It also seems that you didn’t consider East Asians to be ‘third world’, when actually they were.

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  36. on September 3, 2009 at 2:25 pm Cannon's Canon

    “He was practically skipping down the aisles, his gums flapping a million miles an hour, his jowly cheeks inflamed a crimson hue, his voice a confident baritone of manly vigor.”

    probably just heard this track

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  37. Maybe this isn’t germaine to the story but all I want to know is, why didn’t you go direct and swoop this chick?

    All this indirect planet aligning logistical in-state not-in-state game is just overthinking things. Didn’t your gut just tell you to go in? Even if it was her dad with her, who cares.

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  38. Sofia postulated

    I have had maybe one or two men interested in me fetishize my race (mostly ethnically Indian), as opposed to the billion suitors Asian women get for the mere token of being Asian

    yah – who do those stuckup bitches think they are

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  39. In the end, Mandy will be a miserable cuntrag, warpig will be fat, dave will be a pussy, O-Foreman will blame everything on race, and tjf will be wrong and a troll.

    you guys miss me?

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  40. on September 3, 2009 at 2:35 pm Cannon's Canon

    lurker! i was worried the upper east side feminists had eaten you!

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  41. @lurker –

    Mandy XD has been missing for awhile herself. It will be interesting if she shows up soon. 🙂

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  42. A)Game yeilds to tyranny of age? When you get old,why cant you swoop old pussy? Think of the huge throngs of flabby-armed,botoxed seniors out there,waiting to get one final cock up their snatches before the Grim Reaper hauls them away! Aged,like fine wine,feminists,lawyer cunts,divorcees…B)When u gave her the gum,did your fingers touch? Hope so!

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  43. lurker

    tjf will be wrong and a troll.

    You’ve never proven either of these claims, whereas it has been conclusively demonstrated that you are a troll (the post that I am quoting would be yet another example of trolling).

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  44. Time for a Beta of the Month Nomination.

    I’ve been pretty hard on fellow social conservatives like Rod Dreher. But lest one fall prey to the pretty lie that libertarians/fiscal cons are in the slightest way better, here is Will Wilkinson on Kay Hymowitz and Mad Men:
    http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/28/the-menaissance-and-its-dickscontents/

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  45. Wilkinson has been whipped hard by live in lover Kerry Howley, who is however, quite physically attractive. I wonder though how long their “equalist” relationship will last.

    Fellow social conservative and devoted Roissy reader Pi has this comment to make:
    http://academywatch.blogspot.com/2009/09/mad-men.html

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  46. Then you have done yourself a disservice in even using that 20-year obsolete term ‘third world’. What is the ’second world’?

    Couldn’t agree more. Buchanan uses the term “third world” a lot and it always sticks in my craw…it’s like the cold war never ended, or something.

    The 2nd world literally doesn’t exist anymore…unless you count Cuva and the Norks, which most people would refer to as “third world” anyway, due to their impoverishment. Ugh.

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  47. lol, Safeway? I hate the DC area. SO glad I left…

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  48. Thursday:

    Ugh. Wilkinson’s blithe dismissal of the very real costs which have been incurred, justified by vague references to “opportunity” and capitalism, remind me of Seeking Alpha’s arguments in favor of immigration.

    Ugh.

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  49. Nadia–

    you’re writing a book ?

    🙂

    man i wish someone would write something like that about me .

    He has a site email Nadia.

    You wouldn’t be the first.

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  50. Fooking Randians.

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  51. To all the people with IQ’s in the 90-105 range and have a hard time piecing together ideas:

    Isn’t there some Chinese buffet you can go gorge at? Leave the thinking to real men.

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  52. Unfair here, Thursday,

    Will (I know him in person) has natural (artist-y) game, and has tended to have a much harder time fighting girls off (8+ usually) than getting them. By Roissy’s definition, he’s Alpha, even if you don’t like his words.

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  53. blithe dismissal of the very real benefits which have been incurred, justified by vague references to “culture” and solidarity, remind me of Tupac Chopra’s arguments in favor of immigration.

    I agree

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  54. Sofia

    This was a surprising turn of events. South Asian women is more of a niche market than East Asian or Black.

    Not more than black Sofia. No way no how. Not close.

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  55. Should have changed that last part to against immigration. Oh well.

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  56. Fooking Randians.

    Indeed. Libertarianism is applied autism.

    By Roissy’s definition, he’s Alpha

    Fair enough.

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  57. Fucking great article by Pi, Thursday

    thx

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  58. maurice posed this question:

    What, no witty register conversation or number close? Even with the gum-pack invitation? Blown opportunity, my friend. Talk about a perfect short-term fuck buddy.

    Could the answer be…

    What’s her name?
    Is this her there?
    Christ, I think he’s even combed his hair
    Is that her ?
    What’s her name?
    Oh, it’s never gonna be the same

    Ros E.’s in love
    Ros E.’s in love oh my
    Ros E.’s
    Ros E.’s in love
    /watch?v=IQBOcIGXsWo”>I think Ros E’s in love

    Just a thought…

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  59. Fifth Horseman

    It’s a HUGE mistake to talk about the average man first and foremost. I doubt that’s who you really have in mind when you write.

    Instead the far bigger problem is the screwing over by the current system of the high IQ (which includes true nerds but not just) and high achieving doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists, businessmen, and so on who form the backbone of our upper middle class and of our economy, and who make good money. Sure some of these will also be alpha and their status and money help some on that but in the current environment they’re likely to lose out in their twenties to out of work actors and to bartenders, bouncers and so on if they aren’t sufficient aggressive assholes or anyway suppress that with women as they’ve been taught all their lives.

    You can get after that to the unfairness to men in the middle middle class who aren’t also serious bad boys in one way or another, but that’s neither the greatest problem for society nor the best way to sell the problem to women. When women hear “average man” they hear “somewhat below average at least or even if average yuch, who wants average” and go “well no thanks, why would I want him? I suppose he should eventually find someone and will but why are those men so key if they can’t be more appealing to women?”

    As well, when you talk about media and law, don’t leave out the schools and universities. It’s hard to exaggerated the degree of PC mainstream feminist and misandrous indoctrination (and also indoctrination into the manifold sins and basic evil in America and in the European colonial world, of white men. You know the one’s who built not just this country but the science and technology and economic systems that the global economy (and the concomitant huge explosion in human numbers and in human life spans around the world) is based upon.

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  60. Hey roissy,
    Heres the problem,i’m hoping you can give me some advice.Me and my girl were dating for 9 months,things were going as planned,she even asked me to move in with her around the 7 month mark,I honestly felt like we argued too much,and i did’nt see myself with her long term,so I denied her,saying that it was just too early for that big a step.Within that timeframe(around the 5-7 moth mark) I noticed our sex life took a BIG hit,and she constantly argues and bitched over the most insignificat matters, then she starts telling me about her friend’s boyfriend’s and how great they are.I could see she was losing attraction and her love was starting to fade.As i predicted a short time later we have the break-up talk.She says ” you make me happy and treat me well,I feel so comfterble around you,but I feel like I dont love you the same way you love me,and I’m leading you on”She request some space at this point.Well,we work together,but this week coincedently enough I happen to be going to anther store for the week.I want to get her back roissy,and I’ve been getting mixed signals,after her request for space i did’nt call her for a few days,then I broke down and sent her a tex,we chatted briefly via tex,I told her I was at the movies with my friends,and she was actually upset i was watching a movie with them that we were supposed to see,I told her I thought she didnt want to hang out anymore,and she repied “I do,but as friends for now”well i cut it short and stopped texing her,now its only day 3 and I feel i still have a chance to salvage things,Im just hoping you can give me some advice here.Thanks

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  61. Libertarianism is applied autism.

    All too often, all too often.

    Otherwise, it’s right wing politics for people who are too pussy to be right wing. It’s also niche-politics for real estate developers and potheads.

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  62. P.S. she called me last night around 1:30,but I did’nt answer,she left a message asking”have you got any of my tex(which I actually did’nt,that seems to happen sometimes for some reason),well I guess your ignoring me”then hung up.Do I wait for a second call and pick that one up,or should I return her call?

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  63. Otherwise, it’s right wing politics for people who are too pussy to be right wing.

    LOL, what does that even mean? What do you think the differences are between the two and which of those differences have to with cowardice?

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  64. Will (I know him in person) has natural (artist-y) game, and has tended to have a much harder time fighting girls off (8+ usually) than getting them.

    and that is exactly why he’s wrong on this topic.

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  65. To all of you who didn’t read Steve Sailer’s latest at Taki’s Magazine, it turns out that poor schleb in Roissy’s grocery store is on youtube:

    Watching this makes me want an Au Pair. And I’m not even married and have no kids. Is there some place you can send away for them?

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  66. Fifth Horsemen–

    But then again, you [anony] are someone who has openly admitted to having cuckolded your husband, and you are trying to rationalize your rape of him through statements like this.

    You have openly cuckolded your husband. Evil. Cruel.

    No wonder she’s so opposed to Mandatory Paternity Testing at the time of all births. Arguing all the while about the great injustice of not trusting so many women.

    Of course I strongly suspect that’s what motivated her at the time.

    Meanwhile 10% of ALL births in the anglosphere are not actually fathered by whom the mother purports they were, and 30% or more of those for whom paternity is at all in doubt (i.e. paternity tests are ordered for non research reasons).

    I expect that number will go up greatly with lots more and more flagrant cuckolding, much of it becoming open, as gen Y ages some more. The fact that fathers are so raped by divorce court is part of the reason; the incredible misandrous and male pussifying feminist propaganda brainwashing in schools and universities, with endless backup booster refreshers in the entertainment media is another.

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  67. Eric: “I want to get her back roissy,and I’ve been getting mixed signals”

    You are a tool and your ex girlfriend is a witch: go fuck somebody else for chrissakes. You won the fucking lottery by getting rid of her. The only reason you want her back is you haven’t fucked anyone else yet, and jerking off is lame and demoralizing.

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  68. Otherwise, it’s right wing politics for people who are too pussy to be right wing.

    In all fairness, it’s right-wing politics for people who are too rational to believe in religion.

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  69. great glimpse into the potentials for Day Game. Whole Foods and Trader Joes ( yes, even the “mixed nuts section” of a pedestrian Safeway) during the week, when the aisles aren’t a crush of housefraus are a veritable gold mine. It’s a great low-pressure, low-risk, high reward venue. The opinion openings practically write themselves ( I’m having some friends over, what kind of veggies should I grill? ), and you can easily DHV just be grabbing pricey organic faire. I would have liked to hear a pro like Roissy describe an actual pick-up attempt here, even in an “easy” environment like this it’s important for focus on Game.

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  70. DF–

    Maybe this isn’t germaine to the story but all I want to know is, why didn’t you go direct and swoop this chick?

    All this indirect planet aligning logistical in-state not-in-state game is just overthinking things. Didn’t your gut just tell you to go in? Even if it was her dad with her, who cares.

    It would have probably been hard to do too much game in front of her because SHE wouldn’t have gone for it in front of him on an obvious never met before basis.

    (Of course he could have pretended he HAD met her before as an excuse to take her aside for a minute (isolate her) and run a little game but that would require her getting it and becoming immediately complicit. Lots of rebellious American girls her age would. Doesn’t feel like that situation.)

    What he could have done though is simply run some very brief game that didn’t require her complicity. Just say “I’d like to get to know you some, to meet for coffee or something so we could. Here let me give you my number in case you’d like to just have coffee or some such.” Then pull out your cell. “You’ve got a cell right?” If she does just ask her to tell you her number so you can dial it to give her cell yours. She’ll probably say no so write out your number on a piece of paper. You could even ask the herb if he has a scrap of paper, a receipt he doesn’t need or something, for effect. (What’s he gonna say, she’s not allowed to take your number?) (Well in days gone by he would have but he’s been in agreement that the evil patriarchy had to go, so screw him.)

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  71. Libertarianism: it’s for people too enamored of their intelligence to be on the side of SoCons, but not actually intelligent enough to have seen through Obama.

    (At least the above applies to the folks at Reason.)

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  72. What exactly is a social conservative from a policy perspective?

    No abortion and no gay marriage? Is there anything else? Does being pro-life preclude someone from being a libertarian? And if it doesn’t, than what is the difference between a libertarian and a conservative?

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  73. For the record, you fags need to suck on my vinegary balls.

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  74. Fifth Horseman:

    This is exactly what I mean about the shocking stupidity of a lot of the bigots. There is no distinction between UNEDUCATED illegals (Mexicans, MS-13), and HIGHLY EDUCATED, *legal* immigrants (usually Indian, Chinese, Iranian, etc.).

    IQ isn’t everything. The difference between you and a churro-eating Mexican day-labourer is only that of degree. Please stop assuming that white Americans are obligated to love foreigners just because they happen to be smart.

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  75. Seeking Alpha: also decriminalization of all drugs, unrestricted immigration, and frequent douchebaggery about foreign policy. Not to mention hatin’ on cops.

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  76. Chuck–

    What else would it be due to? 45 year old men aren’t naturally chipper.

    Even Psychology Today in a list of ten politically incorrect truths admitted that men don’t go through a “mid life crisis”. They go through a “their wife is mid life” crisis. (If middle aged men have young wives or partners, they typically go through no mid life crisis. )

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200706/ten-politically-incorrect-truths-about-human-nature?page=4

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  77. you know who

    Do people actually behave like this in real life? I just can’t see it.

    No they never do with you.

    That’s why you can’t see it.

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  78. @ JB – I was hoping for something a little more civil, but whatever.

    Decriminalization I agree, that’s a libertarian position. Are conservatives necessarily against it? If so, that’d be a place where I break libertarian.

    Completely unrestricted immigration is not a libertarian position although quota-less immigration is (difference is in screening criminals), but that’s fair. That’s another place.

    Not really sure what ‘frequent douchebaggery’ means. Sounds poorly reasoned. If you mean Ron Paul’s bring every troop on foreign soil home, well that’s an interpretation of libertarian position, not a given. I certainly don’t feel that way.

    Hatin’ on cops is where you’ve gone completely away from rational discussion. It kind of got less and less with each one. Cops who abuse their power are dicks, but only slightly more so than any other person who does. They’re just extra dicks cause when they abuse their power you end up cuffed and in jail.

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  79. Already read it in…

    “that book by Nabokov“

    the chick in lolita was a breastless, curveless undeveloped prepubescent 12 year old. you’re thinking of the movie version:

    http://www.slate.com/id/3308/

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  80. joshrandall–

    A)Game yeilds to tyranny of age? When you get old,why cant you swoop old pussy?

    You can. And a lot younger than yourself, I’m here to tell you. 10yrs younger easy, 15 doable if you’ve got a lot going on, 20 yrs younger outside limit of something genuinely two way very sexual, usually. Well unless she’s young and goes for way older guys. Guys up to mid and sometimes late 40s can appeal to a few 20yos. In their 50s not so much. But 30s divorcees etc., yes.

    Roissy imagines himself never wanting to go above 29 is all.

    That will change. Though he may want to supplement with hookers.

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  81. Cliff Arroyo

    someone else:“father of 5 in the 50s and worked an engineering job at Northrop Gruman was no beta”

    Yeah, we all know that middle aged engineers are pussy magnets.

    Sure he COULD be an alpha. But if so in combination with his smarts, he’d have risen to some significant management position at lest, and be ready to switch employers if they gave him any shiite, or just for something better/more interesting.

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  82. @ Doug

    That was Cliff quoting me. You’re right that he wasn’t a pussy magnet. But he also wasn’t hen-pecked. He returned from work to a home cooked meal and a martini (or three) and while his wife may have disagreed with him she always respected him.

    Now we can quibble whether or not that’s alpha or beta. Roissy would say beta and he wouldn’t necessarily be wrong.

    But Cliff is also wrong in thinking we should glorify today’s married man because we need him just the way he is. We don’t. And all of us (including him and his wife) would be happier if he held up that man I described as a model.

    Not a pussy magnet, no. But a man respected in his home.

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  83. Seeking Alpha,

    Don’t take it personally. I take aim primarily at the presumptive intellectual leadership of libertarianism (i.e. Reason writers and editors.) It may be the case that a typical libertarian is closer to the conservative position in many areas.

    “Frequent douchebaggery on foreign policy” is not about a specific policy position but a more fundamental, utopian view of foreign policy akin to that of the left. Instead of “if we withdraw troops”, it’s something like “if we have economic incentives/a worldwide free trade zone/whatever peace, rainbows and skittle-shitting unicorns will follow.” This is roughly Gillespie’s position. Typical “magic bullet” type thinking.

    As far as “hatin’ on cops”, again it isn’t so much a policy position as a presumptive bias that drives policy positions.

    Look, read Reason for a few months, see if you’re closer to a con. I speak from experience.

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  84. doug1,

    the big problem with ascribing 00’s sexual hierarchies (and Roissy’s definition of alpha* is exlusively sexual IIRC)

    the contemporary masses of sexual available and disposable young women weren’t available in the 1950’s so a Roissyite would be almost entirely destructive (as opposed to a marginal nihilist).

    A would be PUA in the 50’s had few choices:

    – whores (who like the poor will always be with us)
    – pseudo-whores (called ‘tramps’ at that time I think who tended to keep fast company and who aged fast and hard)
    – other worker bees’ wives (with attendant very damaging effects)
    – other worker bees’ daughters (even more so especially since most men would not have access to young women whose fathers weren’t acquaintances or potential acquaintances which complicated matters a lot)
    – working girls (who were not likely to marry or whose husbands had no economic or social power)
    ?????

    A 1950’s family man (no matter how ‘alpha’ at heart) would probably behave very much like the despised herb in this story – feel perky and happy around the youthful beautiful au pair or exchange student and not act on it (to prevent various disastrous results). Just as learning to not act on impulse and to delay gratification is important for individual success, it’s also important to keep society running.

    *which I disagree with but use for the sake of argument here

    [editor: this is always a sticking point for the uninitiated, but remember that the alpha male is not *necessarily* the man who fucks a lot of women. he’s the man who *could* fuck a lot of women if he chose to act on all the flirty signals he got from them. so in seeking traitor’s* example, the 1950s strong family man breadwinner who demands respect in his home could qualify as an alpha, or lesser alpha, or greater beta, because though he is limited, by social pressure or by his own morals, to one wife, he might very well have unexplored options with other women who admire him. *call it tough love.]

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  85. Cliff Arroyo–

    A little respect is called for. Go ahead and reject the Herb lifestyle if you want to (I certainly did) but realize that you need the Herbs of the US to keep Herbin’ on a lot more than they need you to continue your manwhore ways (a _lot_ more).

    No we do not need herbs. We don’t need a single herb and would be better off without any adopting that worldview.

    We do need steady men. We do need dads rather than cads. We need dads way more than we need cads. Partly for their dadly contributions in raising the next generation – by role model example, not by changing diapers, which YES IS WOMEN’S WORK, along with the rest of infant care. (Could be hired help though to a considerable extent if she’s got lots of work talent; still she should only work part or at the very most very light time then.)

    We don’t need men to be as beta acting as they are. Remember Roissy’s definition of beta is in the middle rank of attractiveness to women, above omegas but below alphas. He doesn’t preclude alphas being good fathers, though that’s not his inclination. (It is pretty hard to continue to be a high ongoing numbers focused PUA and a good father at the same time.)

    Some of current American male betaness is i) relative placement among men and ii) some of it is the widespread pussification of men after 2nd wave, real cultural marxist feminism got really rolling, and especially by those raised from infancy by parents who at least partly subscribed to it (gen Y, in it’s upper SES white half anyway). That pussification can be reversed i) by game or even teaching anti feminism alone on a widespread basis, making relative betas MUCH more attractive to lots of attractive women, and ii) individual men can also move up considerably in their relative standings, e.g. from higher beta to lesser alpha or even alpha, but really learning or mastering game.

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  86. @ JB – Okay that’s fair. I’ve read any occasional article from them but not enough to know their overarching ideology.

    I was trying to address the neverending periodical attacks on libertarianism (esp. thoughtless ones like PAs) as an ideology.

    I thought it might be helpful to define terms a bit so we aren’t attacking each others strawmen.

    Then again, its at best a coin flip whether you’re going to get real, reasoned discussion here as opposed to vitriolic hate back and forth. Both are fun though for different reasons.

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  87. Doug1“20 yrs younger outside limit of something genuinely two way very sexual, usually.”

    I am disproving this on a semi-regular basis. Keep out of the sun and in the gym, and be funny and awesome, and you can still pull really young women who are 20 years younger. I do. I ain’t 40 yet, but I suspect I’ll be looking and acting pretty much the same in 6 years as I am now.

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  88. Even Psychology Today in a list of ten politically incorrect truths admitted that men don’t go through a “mid life crisis”. They go through a “their wife is mid life” crisis. (If middle aged men have young wives or partners, they typically go through no mid life crisis. )

    This would make sense, but the article doesn’t give any evidence for this theory.

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  89. I don’t believe there is anything “intrinsic” about women liking assholes. Women’s attraction is in some ways similar to men: if she likes you, she will like things you do. If she doesn’t, she will find faults with the same exact things. Women go with their feelings much more than men. The rest of it is because of their conditioning. Let me explain…

    Consider this: do fat chicks like assholes? Don’t they have a different worldview than hot chicks? Do you go for fat chicks a lot? Your theory should explain all this. The facts are staring us in the face. Hot chicks have a lot of guys who want them, so their mindset is rejection by default… their attraction usually happens in two circumstances only: 1) there is nothing to reject, 2) they reject but the guy overpowers them. Again, these are not sufficient but they are necessary for the hot girl’s attraction. They are necessary because the girl ha to feel like she can win the guy over to fall for HER, you are not attracted very much to things you know you can have, right away, day after day. Imagine being a bodybuilder and girls (even attractive ones) always coming up and being “OH MY YOU’RE SO BIG AND STRONG! CAN I FEEL YOUR BICEPS?” Eventually you’d be like the hot chick. It’s more symmetrical than you think.

    So consider the guy who society likes. If the woman is in a company that really respects and likes a guy, she has not had a chance to reject him. They can interact and she can get attracted to him. The dynamics will constantly work in his favor. She will say nice things to him, and he can be confident.

    On the other hand, consider the asshole. This guy also does not really give chicks a lot of room to reject him, because he doesn’t seek their approval. This asshole gets “rejected” a lot in the sense that the chick wouldn’t go for him if he had come up to her. But the chicks he DOES interact with, his focus is on being narcissistic and not about trying to win her approval. So she can’t reject him and therefore he has a chance to win her over.

    Finally consider the asshole … since he angers a lot of people, those that stick by him really respect him. So the chick sees him being surrounded by his “boys”, who usually have colorful personalities of their own and do exciting things together. They usually have chicks too so it’s a wild little group. Her fantasy is usually to date this guy and maybe make him fall for her (a challenge).

    Bottom line, the “intelligent” guys need a social circle around them when they meet chicks, and the “uninhibited” guys need to have a self absorbed personality that is also tempered by being interesting/captivating/charismatic, so the girl can get interested and not reject them off the bat.

    Greg Magarshak

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  90. why is this idiocy about “beta males being the backbone of Western Civ” appearing on every single HBD blogs?

    beta males aren´t the backbone of anything but cuckolding sluts. Anyone who goes through the opinions of those who opposed female suffrage will see that they shared Roissy´s views exactly.

    not only that, but Westerners commonly remarked about non-westerners´effeminacy. Churchill would refer to the “Martial races of Europe” in oposition the the effeminate easterners, therefore explaining why MArtial Whites ruled effeminate Darkies. The Catholic Church would call the greeks effeminate and weak, therefore vicious, during the crusades. The beta only appeared in the West en masse post-1945, specially after Europeans gladly slaughtered their alphas in WW1 and 2

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  91. Roissy,

    Hookers? Well at least you are realistic..

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  92. For those trying to mentally picture where this all went down:

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  93. gig,

    It is over.. you guys lost.

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  94. The Fifth Horseman,

    Why do need to ingratiate yourself to whites? What can they give you if you kiss their ass that you cannot obtain otherwise?

    Will you get respect, deference, power, acceptance as an equal? What are you getting out of it.. really?

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  95. probably the only non-whites to be considered martial (non-effeminate) were the Turks, Japanese and Gurkhas.

    How do people study history in this forum? There is no living historian worth reading guys!!!

    Westerners were quick to label orientals untrustworthy BECAUSE orientals were effeminate, therefore amoral. Japanese, with their Samurais, were exempted from this. Turks, while an alpha race by all accounts, were subject to such labeling due to widespread pederasty.

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  96. gig,

    Did the west conquer china (conquer.. not occupy a few coastal cities). Why not?

    Did the west conquer India (remember that the vast majority, over 99%, of the british army in India was Indian). Indians preferred to work for the brits because they paid them better + better pensions.

    Think about that.. if you can.

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  97. @ Lucifer

    You won’t be able to take anything for yourself without force.

    How does a non-masculine, malnourished, and super pacifist culture ever thrive in the world? It won’t.

    If Western civilization dies it sure won’t be the Indians who replace it.

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  98. Did the west conquer china (conquer.. not occupy a few coastal cities). Why not?

    That’s where the wealth was. Why would a Western power want to occupy Xinjiang, Qinghai or Tibet?

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  99. Seeking Alpha,

    I plan to let you guys beg people like me to take over. Demographics and economics are a bitch!

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  100. @ Lucifer

    Beijing should be a border town of Russia now, while XInjiang would be the Russian province where the Russian MIddle Classes spent winter, if the UK, France, Germany and the US hadn´t halted the Czars

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  101. take over

    India is not a maritime power or a martial power. They have no reason to expand. They can barely support their own population let alone an empire. Go look up the last time their was an Indian empire that expanded beyond the subcontinent.

    You can barely handle the Western Punjabs or their Pashtun subjects let alone a real power.

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  102. Seeking Alpha,

    The wealth was never in the coastal cities. The coastal cities was where the transfer of wealth occurred. Of course, zero sum games have their limits…

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  103. @ Lucifer – So they took the coastal cities for, what, the sandy beaches? And I suppose they took Hong Kong for the… rocks?

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  104. gig,

    Sorry, but demography is a bitch, and asians were not stone agers unlike the mesoamericans, american natives, aboriginees, pacific islanders etc..

    You were almost destined to lose, over a few decades.

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  105. @ Lucifer

    You keep saying ‘demography’. Do you just mean that your country and China have big populations?

    Helpful hint. Malnourished illiterate subsistence farmers make poor soldiers.

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  106. Seeking Alpha,

    North europeans have almost no written literature prior to the 8th century AD.

    Scandinavian countries dumped almost 30-40% of their population into north america because of starvation and poverty in the last 150 years. So did Ireland, and germans did not immigrate en masse to the USA because things were going great in 19th century germany.

    Read your history!

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  107. Seeking Alpha,

    You cannot overcome demography. Yes, ultimately numbers matter.

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  108. “Did the west conquer India (remember that the vast majority, over 99%, of the british army in India was Indian). Indians preferred to work for the brits because they paid them better + better pensions.
    Think about that.. if you can.”

    Thinking about it …. what it says is that the Brits created living conditions that Indians liked better than conditions they could create themselves.

    As far as I can tell, that’s still true. Brits, Americans, Canadians, Australians all seem to create societies that Indians would rather live in than those created by …. Indians.

    This would also seem to mean that if Indians did take over those countries they wouldn’t be so fun to live in for Indians.

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  109. The Fifth Horseman,

    Presumably, as roissy talked of expatriation and “cashing in” on his americanness, he meant immigrating to one of those countries where the ~70% of the population is living in abject(<$2 a day) poverty and with sanitation worse than that of Subsaharan Africa.

    Where else does Roissy expect to get to get Indian pussy outside of the west?

    Singapore, maybe but the Indian M-F ratio is god awful there. Or he's hoping Sri Lanka will get its act together now that LTTE is gone and open itself up to German child-sex tourists again. Or maybe he wants to bang hawt untouchable tamils down in Malyasia.

    Dunno.

    [editor: i probably should have clarified what i meant by south asian. i was thinking southeast asian. dem thai hoochie mamas got back.]

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  110. Lucifer

    So the history of combat is the country with the greatest population always winning?

    Then what’s taken your country so long? Or is ‘ultimately’ on the scale of several thousand years?

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  111. Seeking Alpha,

    So why was the british army in India over 99% Indian. Do you know the role it played in consolidating british power in asia?

    Ever wonder why singapore has that name? or who built the ships, and provided the logistics/ manpower, to seize shanghai and hongkong? or how brits could walk into present day afghanistan, iran and iraq? ya…

    [editor: yep, diversity is our strength. ha haaw.]

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  112. Lucifer is a guy who probably masturbates imagining white men begging him forgiveness. the mere fact that there are other men present in his masturbation moments gives us much of what we need to know about him. Also, Lucifer has a thing for me since I pointed to him I would probably be worshipped in his home village

    yet my point was about the absence of betas in the West before 1939. or that betas aren´t the backbone of anything, specially western civ.

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  113. @ Lucifer

    An Indian army led by a British general, whose actions are directed from London is your example of an Indian empire? That’s the best you guys can do?

    It is a uniquely Indian point of view I guess. It doesn’t matter if I’m a slave to another man so long as… I can’t even articulate it.

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  114. [editor: yep, diversity is our strength. ha haaw.]

    Hah! Well put.

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  115. Indians are generally cool, but this Lucifer creature makes me willing to buy the Pakistani cricket team t-shirt

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  116. Cliff Arroyo,

    The brits were better admins that many corrupt and incompetent maharajahs.

    The problem of india are due to it’s incompetent leaders, not it’s people. Incompetent leaders flourished in India because of insularity and lack of competition. Too few wars and massacres to wipe out the incompetent..

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  117. Doug1

    It would have probably been hard to do too much game in front of her because SHE wouldn’t have gone for it in front of him on an obvious never met before basis.

    With all due respect, you don’t know that. This is the kind of mentality that shows a lack of confidence. Fear of what she would or wouldn’t do, who is there, or who isn’t there, will make you hesitate. Also, I think you’re a little caught up in the application of indirect game and the logistics that go with it, which you shouldn’t do in a situation like this. If she’s eyeing you and you don’t go in direct she’s going to think either you’re a pussy or shy. Those aren’t alpha qualities.

    [editor: i probably should have gamed her. but for some reason i was more interested in observing the herb’s spastic elation as he was chaperoning her around the store.]

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  118. Seeking Alpha,

    We are still around… your classical civilizations are gone.

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  119. We are still around… your classical civilizations are gone.

    We evolved. Classical civilization is very much apart of our own.

    Would I rather be wearing a toga and working the vine fields in my sandals? Not particularly. Meanwhile your average farmer in a small Maharashtrian village is probably doing the same thing his relative 3000 years ago did. The EXACT… SAME… THING.

    So yes, you are still around… but I’m not sure why the pride?

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  120. gig,

    Even my great-great-grandmother was educated (in english and french + local languages). You are talking to the wrong guy.. I do not look up to your type.

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  121. “The problem of india are due to it’s incompetent leaders, not it’s people. ”

    I never buy this argument. Whenever there’s a tradition of corrupt and/or incompetent leaders then it means that there’s something systemically wrong and the most honest and competent people would become corrupt and incompetent should they be placed in positions of power.

    Demography is only part of destiny, culture is another big part and nothing in Indian culture* supports and nourishes good leadership.

    *(parts of which I’m fond of)

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  122. hey! Diversity is America’s most important asset. Say it ’til you believe it.

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  123. Lucifer

    Did the west conquer India (remember that the vast majority, over 99%, of the british army in India was Indian). Indians preferred to work for the brits because they paid them better + better pensions.

    Yes, Britain unquestionable and unarguably conquered India.

    You twaddle is laughable.

    Psychological methods were in the mix. So was vastly better, fairer and less corrupt (which isn’t to say perfectly non corrupt) governmental administration where Britain ruled. Though make no mistake, military methods and especially British methods of military discipline and tactics were a crucial part of the mix as well.

    Pretty damn effective. Further Indians felt massively inferior to the Brits until the leftists among the Brits themselves taught them not to, principally by sending or allowing the sending of some of the India elite back to universities in Britain.

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  124. “but for some reason i was more interested in observing the herb’s spastic elation as he was chaperoning her around the store.”

    If I didn’t know better I’d say you displayed something like empathy, not wanting to spoil the herb’s groove by ruining his image of the girl as you appealed to her baser nature.

    Before long you’ll be getting all sniffy at sunsets and writing poetry about kittens.

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  125. Seeking Alpha,

    The brits paid their indian soldiers well, gave them nice pensions and generally treated them better than many indian kings. That is why many defected to the brits. Why would you work for a boss that paid you poorly, irregularly and gave you an iffy pension.

    Now there were a few indian kings who got IT, but many just ignored the changing world and hoped it would go away. It did not..

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  126. I should point out that – from what I know – I like Indian culture. I would love to travel there someday and one of my favorite books is Shantaram.

    But much of what I love about the culture is the reason why Lucy’s dreams of conquest and racial superiority are so laughable. The people are passive.

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  127. Seeking Alpha,

    actually not.. they have a much better life. sorry to disturb your mental world.

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  128. Why would you work for a boss that paid you poorly, irregularly and gave you an iffy pension.

    Some people want to rule themselves. Others don’t. You’re right, there’s nothing wrong with not caring who runs your country so long as he does it well.

    But then you’ll never, ever be an empire, will you?

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  129. they have a much better life

    What’s different?

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  130. Hookers? Got nothing against them, but not my gig. And not necessarily necessary.

    I’ve got a good friend/mentor – I learned Game fom him long before it had a name, when Mystery was on a skateboard – who is now 70 and gets more quality poon than many alphas half his age.

    He looks good for his age, takes care of himself, is successful (not rich) but, above all, he is a Master of the Cross-Gender Mindfuck.

    Just spent a weekend with him and his current harem-head, who is a mid-30s looker fom Poland.

    It can be done …

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  131. Cliff Arroyo,

    So why did europe have so many piss poor people till the 1920s? Was it a failure of your civilization?

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  132. when I chose gig as a nick I couldn´t imagine that English had the word “gig”

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  133. so many piss poor people till the 1920s

    The poverty of an English or German farmer is incomparable to the poverty of an Indian village farmer. The real question is how your country is still poor in the modern age.

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  134. so many piss poor people till the 1920s?

    Good point, being poor in Western countries isn’t the same as living in a pile of dirt in the rest of the world.

    Second, some historical shifts, such as the introduction of socialism and the treaty of Versailles caused a lot of poverty.

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  135. Doug1,

    Brits collected taxes which were previously collected by local kings. Now, some local kings never gave anything in return, the brits at least build roads, rails, harbors, courts, hospitals etc..

    In some ways, the brits replaced maharajahs as the apex tax collectors. But most people never had to deal with a brit in person.

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  136. Lucifer-

    The current gathering weakness in the white West now, is entirely and exclusively the product of cultural Marxist inspired Western self criticism and self loathing at the West’s enormous prior superiority over most everyone else. Instead of that being a matter of continuing pride that might slowly be reduced as the west transmitted much of it’s knowledge and methods to others, the cultural Marxists taught the Western elites and others, and the colonial and third world elites that the west was happy to transmit knowledge to though not necessarily the Marxist theory that so often went with it in British and French universities, that the unequal primacy the West had managed to win primarily by the increase in their technology and organizational methods and economies back home but also by colonization or widespread advantageous trade, was inherantly deeply evil precisely because it was unequal.

    The Marxist and after WWII largely cultural Marxists left in the West has ever since sought and succeed to create revisionist history which painted the white man as evily exploitative as opposed to being one of if not the great winners by industry and conquest in history, with similar themes in all the social sciences, and then under the banner of the deconstructionism of Foucault and Derrida, the humanities as well.

    The edge of West has principally been eaten away at within by it’s radically equalist leftists, and continues to be.

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  137. I think Lucifer’s basic point is – we didn’t mind being conquered so it wasn’t really a conquest.

    Kind of like David Alexander’s or TJFs. I’m not losing the game, I’m just not playing.

    Conquest is conquest and failure is failure, your mental rationalizations – a feminine trait – notwithstanding.

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  138. Seeking Alpha,

    If you measure food intake, the average indian farmer was doing better than the average westerner till the 1840s.

    About the current state of india- we have too many geriatric white-ass kissers in power, but that will change…

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  139. “So why did europe have so many piss poor people till the 1920s? Was it a failure of your civilization?”

    a. it wasn’t so many, overall population densities in Europe don’t compare to India

    b. not necessarily so piss poor, India is cursed by a survivable climate (which means the poorest of the poor can sleep outside in almost no clothes year round as long as they can scrounge enough food to stay barely alive. agriculture is sure enough that (local) innovation is hard to find

    c. Europe is blessed with a less survivable climate which requires forethought in terms of food and shelter and encourages innovation and increased efficiency (and culls those chronically unable to cope)

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  140. by what I knwo, The Congress Party of India is a pure-blooded social democratic party as bad as its European peers, with redistributive taxation, low IQ voters, defender of AA, lax foreign policy on terrorism and so on

    India has been much more Westernyzed thna lucifer realyze. I have read somewhere that Muslims have increased from 7% to 14% of the popultaion since independence. This is an European level of Islamization

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  141. Seeking Alpha,

    Indians had become a very inward looking people by the 8th century AD. They simply did not want to believe that they could do better. It is really a quite tragic, but universal affliction -hubris.

    They had the ships, maths, astronomy, chemistry to do what the west did after the renaissance (in many cases.. way more). But they chose to indulge in self delusional BS and zero sum games.

    It is ironic that most branches of indian philosophy were agnostic or atheist, and therefore they actually could think differently and not be burnt alive. Schools of thought proposed concepts that many whites think were their creation (logic, materialism, various versions of atomism etc). They had a very good empirical understanding of infectious diseases and a fairly magic free medical system.

    But they pissed it away… hubris is fatal, always.

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  142. Lucifer

    So why was the british army in India over 99% Indian. Do you know the role it played in consolidating british power in asia?

    Because it was massively cheaper that way, and they were willing and loyal recruits. Gurkas in particular made excellent soldiers under British training. The others less so, but improved under extensive British military training and discipline.

    People must understand that India wasn’t a country before the Brits arrived. It was a collection of princely states, some fairly large, some pretty small. Many were Mogul (Mongol Muslim) ruled states over Hindu populations. Typically in India the taxes were enormously high, almost as high as the population could bear, but the return to most of the paying population low, with huge amounts of corruption. The conflicting and potentially sifting loyalties of innumerable local area caste based and other groups, as well as rival princely statelets, made it abundantly possible for the Brits to divide and conquer by learning the social landscape well, which they did – they were very good at doing this.

    As well the Brits quickly developed a repuation for fair and relatively impartial dealing. Not perfect mind you and leftists made careers in the 20th century in poking holes in this reputation. But compared to what Indians were by and large used to it was a revelation and bred much respect. At least until beginning in the 1920’s, when the impact of Marxist leftism back home was beginning to seep into the consciousness of Indian intellectual elites. Hence the birth of what became the Congress Party.

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  143. Doug1,

    For once I agree with you.. (6.23 pm post).

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  144. “People must understand that India wasn’t a country before the Brits arrived”

    I’m probably unique in thinking India might function better as a EU like commonwealth of independent states (with most states receiving defacto independence though some like uttar and madhya pradesh might want to unite on linguistic grounds).

    It could allow for better education and ultimately encourage smaller scale competition.

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  145. Seeking Alpha–

    Go look up the last time their was an Indian empire that expanded beyond the subcontinent.

    I’ll make it easy for everyone. Never.

    There was never even one that expanded over the whole subcontinent.

    There was only once one which expanded to as much as almost half of it.

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  146. Cliff Arroyo,

    I think we have passed that point.. in the last 30 years many urban indians have lived and moved all over India, so they now see it as one country. The older generation is dying and is a much smaller % of the population than they used to be..

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  147. A future in thailand, with 14 year old prostitutes, no doubt 😀

    A happy life for you

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  148. Doug1,

    The mauryan empire, gupta empire and mughal empire did extend past them in the north (Afghanistan). The chola and other southern empires did spread into SE asia.

    Ever wonder why angkor wat is in cambodia or the ancient capital of thailand is called ‘ayudhya’? or why Malaysia-Indonesia were once hindu?

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  149. “I think we have passed that point.. in the last 30 years many urban indians have lived and moved all over India,”

    Same thing happens in Europe. Go to almost any major city in Europe and you’ll find people from all over the continent. It doesn’t make people think it’s all one country.

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  150. I think this afternoon’s discussion just doubled my estrogen. You all are so cute/sexy and interesting.
    (total sincerity)

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  151. OK, will provide some TRUTH…..

    The nugget of Gold is………. go for Eastern Euro women.

    I am late 30s bachelor living in the famed SoHo district of babe-pussy capital of NYC.

    I have held down a 6 figure job for last 19 boom years….yes made $100k, 2nd yr out of college…Wall St. pays for Econ. Ivy Majors.

    Anyway, I have had my share of high qaulity pussy. In this time I have banged 20+ chicks…..one was on the cover of New York magazine as a Yoga Instructor to the Stars and another was the winner of Elite Models Florida Search, a few others catalog queens…..many were major cunts, many nice.

    I know 20 is not a high number, but yes that 6 figure career took its toll with 7am-12am, 7 days a week in early going.

    Anyway, the hotest-horniest off all these babes were Eastern/Northern Europeans….

    -1 Norwegian: met on trip; flew her in, fucked for 7 days

    -1 Finnish: 30ish, fucked till condom broke

    -1 Russian: 23 model, fucked-anal on first date, she was in from London…summer fling

    -1 Romanian: Elite model….GF for 9 mos

    -1 Polish: lingerie model; from 2003-2007, came over to fuck from 10-2am, left, never went on a date…not a GF. This was border-line mind-control.

    -1 English: 23 yo stripper, met at pure Platinum in London. She said Brit guys treat women like shit. Flew her in for 3x a day banging for 7 days.

    -1 Russian: six-pac fingered-anal/pussy on first date; drove in for fucks/sushi one summer…not a GF

    -1 Bosnian: GF for 12 mo’s; guys would openly pick fights w/me…she was that hot

    The beauty with these women…is you can fuck them as much as you want!!!!!!

    2-3 times on Friday night, again in the morning Sat; after afternoon nap or outing on Sat, and another round sat night, then again sunday morning, and another early evening banging….

    YOU ARE NOT going to get that from american girls. I suffered thru so many that witheld sex, bargained with it, used it for ransom of gifts, dinner, etc, or just hated it and did it grudgingly….

    Eastern euro women want you to POUND them, repeatedly and endlessley, And will complain if you dont maintain a schedule. Many mount-up on the bed on Sunday nights for one before monday or say they were hooked to the serotonin/dopamine effect or had a pavlov type reaction.

    99% of you have never bought the Trojan 40 Pack. I have had to for every one of these girls. [And FYI.. if you bang a girl for long sessions, she will cycle in wetness, and you will have to change condoms multiple times, before it drys and breaks]

    And I was a Bastard, I went to every club, party, hamptons in summer, criss-crossed the globe from cancun, to ibiza, to st-tropez, monaco, to rio, to paris. I hit it hard…..I never did bottle service…just had c-notes to buy rounds, if even that.

    SO……….., if a guy like me, with cash, game, threads, a nice pad, car, etc. is telling you the best babes are E. Euro….save yourself and head east or learn to pick them out. Why anyone dates or even marries anyone not E. Euro, 15-20 youngers is beyond me.

    Now, just so you doubters dont think I am some d-bag saying he is a stud, blah….blah. I am currently experiencing a brutal dry-spell….hapens to best of us. SO, I am putting my money where my mouth……I am going to Prague in second week of Sept to reload.

    I was told by locals…all the young ones will be back after having been gone to italy, spain, greece, croatia for their summer orgies.

    Wish me luck…Prague is $600 from NYC on Kayak.com

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  152. Lucifer

    The chola and other southern empires did spread into SE asia.

    It’s my understanding that this was more a matter of independent trading states with cultural affininity to the chola empire back home, rather than a centrally controlled imperium where a chola emperor could direct the conquest or not of more territory in what’s now Indonesia. Is that wrong? Any links?

    Indian history is a bit difficult to web research. The amount of fairly undisputed stuff is somewhat limited it seems. There’s a great deal of rather undiluted Hindu nationalism in some of it. (Pride’s no problem; but Afro Centric history levels of playing lose with facts is. I’m not sure how often it reaches those levels but I’ve sometimes been suspicious with some things.)

    By analogy, the Indian rule over parts of SE Asian (ex Burma/Myramar) seemed to me to be more like the early days of the British East India company, or even less centrally organized than that. I.e. private, or rather independent, but culturally related, entrepreneurial affairs. I’m more than open to learn from you on this however.

    Anyway a whole lot of stuff to come out seems to be very recent. Wasn’t a whole lot of prior history of doing linear history in India. The brits mostly started it from what I can tell, and focused first of all on the basics, including the Aryan invasions referred to in the Sanskrit classics, and the main sub continent northern empires again written about in sanskrit or Muslim languages of the north especially, it seems.

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  153. aren’t we ever just going to fuckin’ nuke anyone again? what is all this bullshit

    india, lol

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  154. Doug,

    Not more than black Sofia. No way no how. Not close.

    I don’t know… A cursory glance at Craigslist tells me black women are more in demand than Indian women.

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  155. There hasn’t been a single anti-Semitic comment yet, making this thread a pretty lame and atypical one for a Roissy comment thread.

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  156. the Jews and the Freemasons are poisoning the wells

    happy?

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  157. gig–

    Beijing should be a border town of Russia now, while XInjiang would be the Russian province where the Russian MIddle Classes spent winter, if the UK, France, Germany and the US hadn´t halted the Czars

    Nahhh. This is wrong.

    The most important power in halting the Czars expansion into China and then reversing their expansion into Manchuria was the Japanese. See the Russo-Japanese war ended in 1905. See also the preceeding conflicts in the 1880s and 1890s over Manchuria.

    The most important thing though was that Russia was only somewhat more industrially advanced than China was at the close of the 19th century. Russia really stagnated in the 19th under absolutist and often weak monarchies (and a strong and retrogressive aristocratic vast landowning class) while Western Europe, particularly Britain and then Germany exploded upwards in industry and wealth.

    That’s the true reason for the overthrow of the Czar, as well as the Russian inability to expand into China beyond Manchuria, or hold onto that either in the face of Japanese rapid industrialization after American gunboats under Perry forceably opened the country to international trade and shocked the Japanese into panicked emulation of the leading countries in the West, principally the US (in mass industrial production and at first in military methods; Britain, in naval matters and colonial ambitions; and German, in military organization, particularly after the German/Prussian rout of the French in the Franco German war of 1870 (wherein the Germans threatened to conquer Paris and ended up getting the subsequently much fought over in two world wars, Alsace and Lorraine parts of France).

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  158. sofia, i would very much like to purchase a black woman from craigs list!

    oh, you meant dating

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  159. Sofia–

    I don’t know… A cursory glance at Craigslist tells me black women are more in demand than Indian women.I don’t know…

    By black men, sure. As for other men, maybe in Canada. Not the US. You have a very different black population than we do. Very different. Very different cultural attitudes towards whites and those functional more or less whites, Asians (in the US black usually unspoken view I think). The relationship between blacks and Latinos, particularly Caribbean Latinos (other than white Cubans) in the US is much less fraught though. Often warm in fact. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans principally. US Haitians and other Caribbeans have notably less culturally hostile views than other blacks but they often develop victimology attitudes. Not always though. See T Ricky Raw’s interesting game and social observations blog (Haitian).

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  160. Roissy:

    Thank you for addressing one of my worst fears:

    “Suicide by Suburbs”

    After watching so many friends, families, mentors and associates psychologically and emotionally fade away after following America’s middle-class death trap, it is reassuring to know that there are other people worth a damn who plan to buck the trend.

    Incidentally, I’m also surprised and delighted to see a PUA realistically address the subject of sex & age — I.E. — There being no shame [or rather, care of others opinions about] enjoying the dedication and skills of sex workers of younger foreign girls.

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  161. god forbid the comment threads be germane to the post, jesus.

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  162. Interesting story.

    I’ve been married for over 30 years to the same woman and enjoy your blog… And in fact have benefitted from it, and if you care to ask, I’m sure you’d find a lot of your readers are your Dad’s generation and enjoy a better relationship with their partners because of renewed/refreshed skills.

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  163. Hookers

    I sarged 2 X 9’s (both slim which is a rare rare thing in Australia) at the wine bar last night on the way home from work.

    Went thru the whole Mystery method with both of them simultaniously over the course of 2 hrs.

    Negged their feet, Got numbers palm read, did the cube etc etc etc etc

    both of them said

    “I have a BF”

    Me “Show me a photo”

    I checkout out their i phone photos – both of them had really “nice guy” looking “7” BF’s

    Then just as I was doing the take away the brunette with the most magnificent long brown feet I have ever seen whispers in my ear…..

    $600 to take home both of us…

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  164. His body language was animated and he talked rapidly, cheerfully. Something about this duo was peculiar. This wasn’t a father-daughter team.

    After reading around here for a while, I started to notice that I naturally gravitated towards this when dragged along to a social occasion with my mother and her friends. Much easier in my culture than trying to fit in with the socially competitive and emotionally-laden chatter of the older women. I like bringing out the (logically told!) stories from a man, getting them to talk about themselves, eliciting the animation. Listening with respect, maybe a touch of awe. Noone tends to be as interesting as men with some life experience, if you can bring it out. It still disturbs me some element of that is or can be sexual.

    It’s a shame the wives don’t receive or elicit this. His or her fault? Both.

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  165. you will make someone an excellent mistress one day

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  166. dana: That’s something.

    Still would rather make an excellent wife.

    A much more difficult undertaking, isn’t it?

    Mistress. What a horrifying word. Yet, it has troubled itself to grace my musings.

    What’re the qualities that make a great mistress?
    — undemanding
    — discreet
    — sexual
    — adoring

    What’re the qualities that make a great wife?
    — domestic
    — undemanding
    — adoring
    — sexual
    — loyal

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  167. bhetti i was kidding btw

    from what i can tell men need:

    1) admiration
    2) blowjobs
    3) lots of big smiles with lit up eyes
    4) steak
    5) silence

    #5 ain’t my strong suit, but soooo many wives forget 1+2–and that’s where lil miss mistress steps in

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  168. 1+3 dammit!

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  169. on September 3, 2009 at 8:51 pm The Fifth Horseman

    Doug1,

    One unbreakable natural law is that the patriarchal culture always displaces the matriarchal-lefty culture in a matter of mere decades.

    Why? The disparity in birth rates.

    Take two single women aged 20 : One Muslim and the other SWPL.

    By age 60, the Muslim woman might already have 4 kids and 12 grandkids. The SWPL feminist Western urban woman, at 60, might have one kid who is still in college, and no grandkids.

    So a 1:1 ratio has become a 12:1 ratio, or worse, in just 40 years.

    So it only takes 40 years for the population ratio to greatly tip in favor of the culture with higher birth rates. This is bad in many ways, but it is impossible to avoid as a byproduct of women being given this much power.

    I am sure a few societies in the past experimented with women having so much power. Within 30-50 years, such a society would get invaded and annexed by a neighbor with a higher birth rate (and thus more military-aged males). Since the matriarchal society lasted just a few decades, few people have ever heard about the ‘experiment’ they conducted that led to their rapid defeat at the hands of the patriarchal invader.

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  170. OT: did you all know there’s a show “Tool Academy” on VH1?

    I just learned of its existence.

    It’s apparently some kind of feminazi reeducation camp to turn alphas into herbs.

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  171. on September 3, 2009 at 9:02 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I continue to notice that Loserfer, despite his grand threats of “We Asians will take over you Whites”, seems quite unable to get any other Asians to align with his Sri Lankan o-mega existence.

    He even begs them to join his ultra-loser cause. Yet they ignore him. I just don’t see Sofia, lovelysexy, 5th Horseman, Hope, or others wanting to go within a mile of Loserfer.

    Sri Lankans like Loserfer are considered inferior and demi-human by Indians from the days of the Ramayana in 3000 BC. But still…….

    So for all of Loserfer’s grand threats, the most likely outcome is that Asians will silence him, since his blatherings are bad for business.

    Commerce is all that Chinese, Indians, etc. care about. Conquest, not so much, except as a facilitator of commerce.

    Chic Noir does the same thing as Loserfer, trying to form an anti-white alliance of ‘nonwhite people’, despite them having nothing in common.

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  172. but soooo many wives forget 1+2–and that’s where lil miss mistress steps in

    The problem is that 2 doesn’t work when your wife looks ugly or silly when she “attempts” oral (or hell vagina & anal) sex.

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  173. self loathing at the West’s enormous prior superiority over most everyone else

    Would you be proud that you scored the highest score on a test when your competition was retarded?

    succeed to create revisionist history which painted the white man as evily exploitative as opposed to being one of if not the great winners by industry and conquest in history

    Was it exploitative in some cases? Certainly, but it doesn’t mean that in the reverse situation, the other side would have acted with the kindness and grace of a saint. It’s merely what happens when some people are winners and other side forms the losers.

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  174. david of course you are right, obviously NO ugly people are having sex with each other and enjoying tremendously, only 4 alpha males sharing 600 9s and 10s

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  175. Whenever there’s a tradition of corrupt and/or incompetent leaders then it means that there’s something systemically wrong and the most honest and competent people would become corrupt and incompetent should they be placed in positions of power.

    Thus, our ongoing tradition of corrupt, incompetent leadership in the USA means there is something systemically wrong with the USA. But we already knew that…

    Anyway, apropos of today’s post, a great many guys over the age of 22 might as well be 45-year-old herbs as far as hot 18 year old chicks are concerned. She’s gonna see a guy more than a few years older than her as “unthinkably old” – unless he can run pretty strong game.

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  176. Outlookindia.com

    “Our women don’t drive BMWs,” the Gujarati mum told me some time back. Meaning they’re supposed not to go for men who may be “Black, Muslim or White”. And of the few who do slip? She thought that would be a family calamity of varying shades. Going out with a black man would bring shame, but with a white chap also some embarrassment. We like fairness in our species, not the whiteness of the other; there’s such a world of difference between the two, a whole other language of being. Whiteness works best for an Indian when it informs a lighter shade of your own kind.

    In home after home, the Indian in London loves to show off white friends, but never quite a white spouse. “Boab,” the Patel will say, meaning Bob, who is of course white. There’s nothing an Indian loves more than showing off an ease with white Brits, particularly in the presence of a visiting Indian from India. But he’d want for a daughter-in-law a fair Patel, not a white Brit. White in marriage is not quite a derailment, but it is off the approved track, which for a woman is to remain virgin until at 22 she marries her own sort of Indian with property, prospects and a BMW of the motoring kind.

    Indians in the UK can be entirely unembarrassed or even unselfconscious in using racist language. “Dhoriyos” is what Gujaratis call white people. That doesn’t exactly translate to ‘white nigger’, but it is only a lesser expression of contempt along the same lines. And blacks for the Gujaratis are ‘kaaliyao’, without the comparative neutrality of the word ‘black’ in English. The Punjabis who migrated over from East Africa call them ‘nherey’ (darkness)

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  177. Hookers? Really Roissy? I thought a real alpha always got women *WHO WANTED HIM*

    And aren’t you like 38? Don’t you get that all the bio-intensive stuff you talk applies to you?

    ROISSY, PSA: YOU ARE OLD AND DYING. YOUR BODY IS FALLING APART. YOU ARE FALLING APART LIKE ANY 30 YEAR OLD WOMEN. NOTHING WILL CHANGE THIS.

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  178. on September 3, 2009 at 9:54 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    I continue to notice that Loserfer, despite his grand threats of “We Asians will take over you Whites”, seems quite unable to get any other Asians to align with his Sri Lankan dreg existence.

    He even begs them to join his ultra-loser cause. Yet they ignore him. I just don’t see Sofia, lovelysexy, 5th Horseman, Hope, or others wanting to go within a mile of Loserfer.

    Sri Lankans like Loserfer are considered inferior and demi-human by Indians from the days of the Ramayana in 3000 BC. But still…….

    So for all of Loserfer’s grand threats, the most likely outcome is that Asians will silence him, since his blatherings are bad for business.

    Commerce is all that Chinese, Indians, etc. care about. Conquest, not so much, except as a facilitator of commerce.

    Chic Noir does the same thing as Loserfer, trying to form an anti-white alliance of ‘nonwhite people’, despite them having nothing in common.

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  179. obviously NO ugly people are having sex with each other and enjoying tremendously

    Ugly people shouldn’t be having sex with each other. They’re ugly. Their nakedness should repel others away.

    only 4 alpha males sharing 600 9s and 10s

    Realistically, I’d argue that it’s 20 alpha males sharing the 600 women.

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  180. Gig —

    Betas go back to the Greeks. The Spartans awarded prizes for valor based NOT on individual fighting but holding the line. In fact, the Greek hoplite pike lines, the Roman Centurion maniples, the Medieval pikemen in their squares, the flintlock musketeers with bayonets, continued the nearly 2500 year old tradition of Westerners FIGHTING IN LINE.

    The most important thing therefore, a matter of life and death, victory or total defeat, was for steady, herbish, beta guys who would STAY IN THE LINE no matter WHAT. Even if their buddies were getting spears stuck in them, or arrows through their eyes, and so on. “Alpha” peacocking was for warrior based foreigners, the Persians, or Scythians, or Gauls, or Germanic tribes. “Beta” was CREATED in war, and forms the basis for Western military superiority.

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  181. I’ll add that in Western military terms, “beta” sought to meet the enemy in an open plain and totally destroy him. A battle of annihilation. No tricky maneuvers, no hit and run, no guerilla warfare, no dashing cavalry. Just plain, straight, up the middle destruction. Marching en-masse, shock battle, in the line, never giving. Heavy infantrymen all the way.

    This was the Western way. It required all the typical “beta” traits: loyalty (above all else), self-sacrifice, group identity, brotherhood, and most of all, reward (i.e. control of female hypergamy). Often Western armies beat relatively evenly matched (or superior) non-Western ones, with the same basic technology, often Western defectors fighting with the enemy, and still won based on superior unity and discipline. For real, serious, mass killing, particularly without modern firearms, nothing beats “beta” Western heavy infrantrymen, literally hacking their way through the enemy. They often had superior initiative too, being independent men not either slaves or Alphas.

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  182. reward (i.e. control of female hypergamy)

    Having sex with some ugly woman at home and having to work to take care of her and the kids is not a reward unless you’re a masochist.

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  183. on September 3, 2009 at 10:14 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Ugly people shouldn’t be having sex with each other. They’re ugly. Their nakedness should repel others away.

    You’re failing to account for the therapeutic effects of that wonderful, ubiquitous aphrodisiac…

    …alcohol.

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  184. …alcohol.

    Then ugly people should refrain from a state of drunkenness to ensure that they don’t have sex with ugly people.

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  185. And ugly people should refrain from sex with drunk people regardless of their status since it’s insulting.

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  186. whiskey,

    and that is why whites are screwed..

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  187. Are nuns the ones surrendering to hypergamy in its most extreme form, going for the biggest and original alpha, God?

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  188. bhetti, a propos of your last comment–a scene from one of my favorite movie movies:

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  189. I suspect that the efforts to insert “Alpha/Beta” social philosophy into historical analysis is being taken too far by some commenters here.

    The five basic criteria that men are judged by within a society are as follows:

    * Physical [Appearance, fitness, etc.]
    * Material [Money, consumer and durable goods, etc.]
    * Social [Social capital, growth potential and influence.]
    * Emotional [Emotional strength and appeal.]
    * Psychological [Rationality, awareness, comprehension & understanding and planning capabilities.]

    While I do agree that many of the motivations behind greater works on an individual and social level can be determined to be heavily influenced by socio-sexual and evolutionary factors, I think any discussions about the roles of ‘Alpha Males’ and ‘Self-Actualized Males’ within a modern or historical context will be best elaborated on by using the above listed criteria at the very least.

    The concepts of Alpha, Beta, Gamma [voluntary celibacy/hermitage], Psy [social outliers/uncategorized] and Omega males just do not seem to hold up well under scrutiny without a rugged foundation of the circumstances surrounding them in their contexts.

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  190. Dana–

    you will make someone an excellent mistress one day

    She is, right now, profoundly. Oh she in practice adds “loyal” to her list of “mistress” desiderata too, in a very big way. I’ve somehow gotten inside knowledge on all this.

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  191. I’ve somehow gotten inside knowledge on all this.

    You masturbating to the images of somebody who claims to be Bhetti doesn’t count.

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  192. charmant

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  193. What gleeful violation of taboos! I am suitably deeply disturbed, especially coupled with the uniquely Christian portrayal of the crucifixion, preoccupied with his suffering in a way I only remember feeling from extracts of de Sade read to me. Not appealing.

    While we’re still on blasphemous topics, look through your bible for Alpha tactics. If they’re not there, non-God-beta-writing confirmed.

    I like this (Quran, though) in Al Baqara 45: “Seek help in patience and prayer; and truly it is hard save for the humble-minded.”
    Never let it be said God/Allah can’t do sarcasm.

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  194. Out of the context of the blog, this post would seem beta. It’s like a stumbling boyman’s diary entry.

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  195. dana: DA’s not even worth the one word you gave him.

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  196. fun fact*: 25% of gay porn actors are straight.
    Apparently viagra helps.

    *HBO

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  197. on September 3, 2009 at 11:33 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Someone has to teach the Sri Lankan virgin Loserfer how to do Internet research.

    Every bizarre idea he has stems from the belief that the West has a low birth rate.

    Well, East Asian countries have an even lower birth rate. Not just Japan, but Korea, Taiwan, China, VietNam… all have lower birth rates than white countries.

    America has the highest birth rate of ANY OECD developed country. White Conservative Americans still have a birth rate above replacement level. ABOVE replacement level.

    In India, educated Indians have below-replacement birth rates. Only the poorest illterates have lots of kids.

    Even Muslim countries like Turkey and Iran have birth rates below replacement levels.

    All this can be easily verified with a minute of Googling.

    So the entire basis of Loserfer’s worldview, that whites have a lower birth rate than Asians, is simply false.

    But the smelly Sri Lankan virgin Loserfer will not change his opinions, as he is merely driven by racism and bigotry, and he can’t even get other Asians to join up with himm (to their credit, they have more self-restraint and class than blacks do).

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  198. I’m going to propose your Americanness is not worth what it once was, or what you think it is.

    In the 1960s, it was rare for any Japanese person to have travelled to another country. (I’ll ignore the Imperial Army, because most of them never came home.) Gaijin were an exotic curiosity. I might have mentioned how the kids pointed at me and stared when I showed up in the little town my wife grew up in in the 1970s.

    We went back in the 90s and my wife had to ask how to get to her parent’s home. The prefectural university (State University of xxx) had moved in, and there were even Arabs running around in their traditional garb, with no one batting an eye. Americans weren’t even on the radar. I’d bet more Japanese travelled to foreign countries in the 90s than Americans travelled to Japan.

    It’s not the same. Sorry Roissy, but I’ve been to Mars. You can’t go. It doesn’t exist anymore.

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  199. on September 3, 2009 at 11:39 pm msexceptiontotherule

    I’m waiting for someone to have the odd experience that comes about when they realize that the nubile young vixen who is naked and standing in front of them was not always a female although, their post-op appearance is quite convincing, even without the clothes on. It’s pretty common in the Eastern Bloc, since there are more options that young ladies have available to them so that they can get out of the country they were born in. Not that all of the options are all that fantastic, but they do include the perk of a new life somewhere abroad.

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  200. on September 3, 2009 at 11:40 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Oh! Even better!

    List of countries by fertility rate (children per woman).

    United States : 2.10
    Sri Lanka : 2.02

    So Loserfer’s master race has a slightly lower fertility rate than America!! And it is not even a prosperous country yet(much of Sri Lanka is under the control of separationists and terrorists).

    Loserfer is not making much progress in his ‘master race that replaces whites’ fantasy, is he?

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  201. on September 3, 2009 at 11:47 pm say it ain't so

    how was it ascertained that Lucifer is a Sri Lankan virgin?

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  202. dana: DA’s not even worth the one word you gave him.

    Is somebody sad that I exposed her online boyfriend as a beta male? I guess you’ll have to dump him and find another alpha male willing to deal with you. Ooops.

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  203. Lucifer fancies himself as an Indian Xerxes.

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  204. on September 3, 2009 at 11:54 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    how was it ascertained that Lucifer is a Sri Lankan virgin?

    He said he is Sri Lankan.

    Come on, any guy with Game can read that Loserfer is a very angry virgin about 80% of the way towards a Sodini blaze-out. He lives in the US interior (somewhere like Denver, CO or something), and yet claims to hire a lot of hookers (which of course is illegal and can land you in jail). A lie, of course.

    He is either a virgin, or at best went to Nevada to fuck a fattie in a brothel (he is sort of black, after all, so probably prefers fatties). But the claim that he hires hookers in Colorado as easily as ordering a pizza is a lie.

    But Loserfer has never seduced a woman to fuck him by her own free will. I guarantee it.

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  205. on September 4, 2009 at 12:00 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Wow, the UN rankings of fertility rates show an even bigger gap.

    United States : 2.05
    Sri Lanka : 1.88

    It looks like Loserfer’s master race is not reproducing at replacement level (despite being a poor country that can’t ven keep its own island stable). They are not making much progress in their goal to outbreed and displace whites.

    This effectively ends any credibility that the Sri Lankan virgin had in his worldview of America falling due to low fertility.

    What a Loser(fer).

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  206. DA dear, let me delicately and gently decode that statement for your socially challenged and undeserving self:
    You are being a child who is looking for any excuse to be given negative attention, and that child shouldn’t be given it, and certainly a man who’s behaving childishly is not worth anything even when he’s not indulging himself that way. This applies to general behaviour, not just dating. This behaviour is also again contrary to practicing what you preach, which is that people should “grow up”.

    I suggest you do.

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  207. on September 4, 2009 at 12:10 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    David Alexander 5 years from now = Lucifer of today

    Lucifer 5 years from now = Sodini

    It is interesting that we have visibility to all stages of the process of slow implosion that loser Umaga males experience.

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  208. May I suggest OPERANT EXTINCTION strategy for DA? It can be effective in modifying behaviour. This means he doesn’t get fed AT ALL when he says anything insulting, repetitive, annoying, etc etc. We would give positive feedback when he says something that shows he’s making more positive choices but in life and on the board.

    Course we need the buy in of the entire board and frankly I think he entertains some more than we care to admit.

    Details:

    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1283997&blobtype=pdf

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  209. on September 4, 2009 at 12:25 am The Fifth Horseman

    CryMeaRiver (i.e. someone afraid to use their usual handle) wrote :

    The difference between you and a churro-eating Mexican day-labourer is only that of degree.

    How so? I’m willing to bet that I make more than twice what you do. From my point of view, the difference between YOU and that Mexican laborer is only that of degree (of poverty).

    As a US-born citizen from the most bellwether of American states (Ohio), I am as much of an American as you are. That is US law.

    Too bad for you, eh?

    You don’t even have the guts to use your real handle when you utter your ignorance, which it self is revealing.

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  210. Re: Bhetti

    Trust me, you’re the child with your childish delusions that Doug is some type of magical alpha male. You’re clinging to your silly belief to prop up your fragile ego in hope to prove that somebody *could* like you, and that you’re alpha worthy. But as evidenced by his beta-fuelled comments, the man is no alpha, but a beta with a bunch of stories and lies who masturbates to some Arab girl thousands of miles away.

    So go cry like a little girl. I wrecked your little princess fantasy, and it will never come true.

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  211. DA who crapped in your corn flakes? Jeesh.

    Shoot I broke the extinction plan already. But really DA – you can’t find this entertaining. It’s okay to hate on yourself, but is it okay to pick on others…heck, scratch pick on, attack. Its one thing to argue a point or even offer your opinion but to needlessly be bitchy is another.

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  212. DA who crapped in your corn flakes? Jeesh.

    Sub-humans eat shit for breakfast.

    Its one thing to argue a point or even offer your opinion but to needlessly be bitchy is another.

    She refuses to see the truth. If it takes being vitriolic to expose it, then so be it.

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  213. on September 4, 2009 at 1:07 am COMING BETA OF THE MONTH

    “Time for a Beta of the Month Nomination.

    I’ve been pretty hard on fellow social conservatives like Rod Dreher. But lest one fall prey to the pretty lie that libertarians/fiscal cons are in the slightest way better, here is Will Wilkinson on Kay Hymowitz and Mad Men:
    http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/08/28/the-menaissance-and-its-dickscontents/

    Next Month’s Beta Will Wilkinson enjoys discussions about what a fag he is.

    http://twitter.com/willwilkinson

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  214. DA: I suppose I now know what the word ‘patronising’ means.

    I’m waiting for my rose-coloured glasses to shatter.

    But wait…
    … I’m not wearing them.

    You’re clinging to your silly belief to prop up your fragile ego in hope to prove that somebody *could* like you, and that you’re alpha worthy.

    I have never had a problem with people liking me that I’ve bothered to notice.

    I wrecked your little princess fantasy, and it will never come true.

    You’re overestimating the power you have, again.

    Quit your vulgarity. The man has a relationship he’s fully satisfied with, in all ways, if you understand what I’m saying. Well do I know it.

    And you pointing that out hasn’t resulted in crying. Although interesting that you fantasised about this and its power. And the recurring references to me re: how you deal with sexual frustration.

    I’m capable of some independent thought, not all cheerful and rosy and pink powder puffs and unicorns. Thanks for the attempt to ‘save’ me from a ‘beta’ no less, though.

    Why can’t you deal with your raging hormones in a healthy way, for God’s sake? I’m not available for your emotional games, but plenty of women are. I keep thinking it’s stupid to force women on you but you’re getting stranger by the day.

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  215. on September 4, 2009 at 1:41 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    keep thinking it’s stupid to force women on you but you’re getting stranger by the day.

    DA + 5 years = Lucifer
    Lucifer + 5 years = Sodini

    Therefore, DA + 10 years = Sodini

    We have access to the various stages of male Umaga implosion, which is interesting for academic purposes.

    These losers are on a Game blog, yet still refuse to actually benefit from Game by practicing a tiny bit of it. Fascinating psychoanalysis opportunities for research purposes.

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  216. The man has a relationship he’s fully satisfied with, in all ways, if you understand what I’m saying.

    You keep believing that.

    Thanks for the attempt to ’save’ me from a ‘beta’ no less, though.

    You won’t appreciate until you’re in your thirties. Either you’ll be saddled with a burdensome beta husband with regret, or you’ll have warm memories of alpha cock delivering mindshattering orgasms with only words of thanks for somebody pushing you into the right lifestyle.

    Although interesting that you fantasised about this and its power.

    I don’t wish to make you cry. I only wish for you to find the truth. There is no power in making a woman cry. There is only power from making a man cry and fear your existence.

    Why can’t you deal with your raging hormones in a healthy way, for God’s sake?

    This is not a hormone problem. This is merely what happens when you swallow the red pill.

    I keep thinking it’s stupid to force women on you but you’re getting stranger by the day.

    It is stupid to force women on any non-alpha male. Forcing women on betas and sub-humans only creates hatred and misery for each sex. Women should only have sex and romantic relationships with alpha males or other women, not beta males.

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  217. Fifth Horseman:

    You completely missed my point. Once again, your earnings and IQ don’t make you as American as the white people whose ancestors built the country and whose culture is the one people think of when they think “American”. I am Canadian and can fit in better in America than you can, as I am a white, conservative Christian.

    For the record, I am upper middle class like 90% of the commenters here. Not that I can prove it to you anonymously online, any more than you can prove to me that you were born in Ohio and are richer than me (an interesting claim, considering you do not know me).

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  218. on September 4, 2009 at 1:59 am Virginia Gentleman

    Seeking Alpha:

    Does being pro-life preclude someone from being a libertarian?

    It may. I’m personally uncertain as to whether any people who are self-professed libertarians first are pro-life. I think, not traveling in their particular circles, that the usual framing of the question winds up leading to the conclusion that the state shall not have a say-so in the question of whether a child is terminated. There may be people out there who see it differently, but I haven’t seen them in my limited travels through Libertaria.

    I had a longer response that included a few points about the kinds of policies I might like to see from a socially conservative standpoint, but I binned it since it’s 0200. I’ll have to read up on the exact differences, if any, between cultural and social conservatism, since I suspect there may be a few bright lines of differentiation.

    I think the short answer is probably that you may find overlap between some libertarianism and conservatism, but don’t be surprised to see wild divergence elsewhere.

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  219. Bhetti

    Looking back on the Med School Experience so far, does it not occur to you that it does a pretty good job of beating all sorts of naive-ness out of a person?
    Not that ones social skills are necessarily shined up in the process but in the sense that a year spent dissecting dead bodies and learning neuroscience, etc. tends to make delicate, frilly habits of mind impossible to protect?
    When the lesson plan involves dissecting the male and female pelvis regions – which takes a couple of days – and you have handled every bit from the inside to the outside some things just become more matter of fact. Or taking your turn at an STD clinic. Or birthing babies.
    My point is, Med School might be the only remaining way to get a true liberal education that isn’t mostly based on deliberate lies and malicious bs.. A good, true liberal education is meant to take a clever young person out of naive-land,

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  220. on September 4, 2009 at 2:34 am The Fifth Horseman

    Once again, your earnings and IQ don’t make you as American as the white people whose ancestors built the country and whose culture is the one people think of when they think “American”.

    So blacks who have been here 400 years are not American?

    Neither are those portion of Hispanics who have been here for 150 years? Or the Chinese in California who have been here 130 years?

    Most white Americans’ ancestors came here less than 120 years ago, by the way, which is over a century after the founding of the country and even after the civil war.

    Nowhere in the US constitution does it say that only whites are to be considered Americans.

    Bobby Jindal was elected governor in Louisiana. That is a Southern state, by the way. White Christians voted for him (who are apparently a lot less racist than you). A brilliant young governor, attaining the Governor’s office at the age of just 36.

    Shocking ignorance on your part, on top of arrogance, being a foreigner and all.

    I am Canadian and can fit in better in America than you can,

    Actually, you sound more like a left-wing SWPL racist to me.

    Canadians are notoriously poor at comprehending the only country that shares a border with them. It is part of Canada’s national inferiority complex.

    I am an American. So are black American descendants of slaves. So are Hispanics who have been in the SouthWest since it was annexed from Mexico. By law. And by the ideals of what American exceptionalism stands for. All US-born US citizens are Americans.

    You are not, and have no business commenting on it.

    (an interesting claim, considering you do not know me).

    I know your type. Plus, given basic statistical probabilities, your demonstrated ignorance, and generally lower Canadian living standards, my bet is a safe one.

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  221. on September 4, 2009 at 3:01 am Chandragupta Maurya

    Obviously South Asian women are the most beautful. Even the smallest harem should include at least a hundred of them.

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  222. This was a surprising turn of events. South Asian women is more of a niche market than East Asian or Black.

    Nah, he meant South East Asia as in Thailand, obviously. For an old expat of a man shriveled beyond the help of tight game, there has to be poverty in where he lives for him to be able to have a decent sex life. South East Asia is perfect in that respect. Near Thailand, a relatively developed middle-income country, there are several really backward countries such as Cambodia and Laos. If those countries become fully modernized by the time Roissy is an old sack of shit, the poorest parts of Myanmar, Bhutan or Nepal might still be poor enough.

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  223. you know who

    As I placed my selection of delicious fruits and almond butter on the conveyor the girl nervously fidgeted with her shirt and peered down at her feet.

    Do people actually behave like this in real life? I just can’t see it.

    No wonder you can’t see it. Around you everybody is always ultra-confident.

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  224. Ruby —

    Those attributes men are judged by can radically (and do) change in time of war, and to a lesser extent in organized sports.

    Physical matters less than performance, i.e. can the man cover your ass or make the play?
    Material — irrelevant in wartime or on the field of play.
    Social — What matters most is a calming influence, humor/jokes, etc. creating unit cohesion.
    Emotional — What matters most is support to fellow unit members.
    Psychological — What matters is the ability to project a plan for winning.

    Given the constant state of warfare among humans, it would seem that there is a schizophrenic attitude towards status. In peacetime, all that you listed matters, a great deal, and much of it drives female hypergamy. In war, all that goes out the window including what women want, as sheer survival drives everything. To a lesser extent, in very reduced ways, organized sports echo that.
    —————
    I second Will Wilkinson for Beta of the Month. Yeesh.

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  225. Lupo

    I am disproving this on a semi-regular basis. Keep out of the sun and in the gym, and be funny and awesome, and you can still pull really young women who are 20 years younger. I do. I ain’t 40 yet, but I suspect I’ll be looking and acting pretty much the same in 6 years as I am now.

    In SE Asia it’s easy to date girls in their early twenties if you are in your forties. And I’m confident I’ll still be doing it easily in my fifties. I expect that in my sixties, I’ll still be inspiring true love in twenty somethings.

    There isn’t the age gap taboo here. Both my girlfriends have told me that they are attracted to men in their fifties and even sixties. Older guys can pull, and pull hard. Forty isn’t old, fifty can still work, and sure, even a healthy sixty something guy can pull.

    My current girls are older than I usually go for. One just turned twenty seven. The other is twenty six but I met her when she was twenty three. I get hit on by teen and tweenagers here. Twenty year old girls routinely giggle and flirt, even in packs. So a twenty year age difference in this part of the world is nothing special.

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  226. Ruby —

    Those attributes men are judged by can radically (and do) change in time of war, and to a lesser extent in organized sports.

    Physical matters less than performance, i.e. can the man cover your ass or make the play?
    Material — irrelevant in wartime or on the field of play.
    Social — What matters most is a calming influence, humor/jokes, etc. creating unit cohesion.
    Emotional — What matters most is support to fellow unit members.
    Psychological — What matters is the ability to project a plan for winning.

    Given the constant state of warfare among humans, it would seem that there is a schizophrenic attitude towards status. In peacetime, all that you listed matters, a great deal, and much of it drives female hypergamy. In war, all that goes out the window including what women want, as sheer survival drives everything. To a lesser extent, in very reduced ways, organized sports echo that.
    —————
    I second Will Wilkinson for Beta of the Month. Yeesh.
    Sorry, forgot to add great post! Can’t wait to see your next post!

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  227. Expected a Google search for “gina tingle” to turn up Roissy first.

    Instead, I find an unfortunately named woman:

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=%22gina+tingle%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=b41851d1017380b7

    http://www.facebook.com/Gina.Tingle.Harnois

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  228. Doug

    The edge of West has principally been eaten away at within by it’s radically equalist leftists, and continues to be.

    It wasn’t long ago that such an opinion was rarely voiced.

    That has changed.

    PC is dying. The internets have greatly contributed to this.

    That academia hires only those that agree with the popular mean-green-meme multicult worldview does not mean that PC is still strong.

    It’s dying.

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  229. I have a comment in moderation that can be summed up as – dating women twenty or more years younger who love you deeply is possible in SE Asia. And I expect it will remain easy in my sixties to date women in their early twenties.

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  230. Sophia

    I don’t know… A cursory glance at Craigslist tells me black women are more in demand than Indian women.

    No way, no how.

    The one ten I ever dated (and fell in hopeless mutual love with) was Pakistani. Sigh. A mere 22 to my 39. Some south asians are spectacular stunners.

    I can’t imagine having those feelings for a stunner black chick. S. Asians can look… glorious. High class.

    Long, full, lustrous hair. Large breasts. Noble nose. Short. Smart. Bouncy. Horny. Glorious.

    And that accent!

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  231. msexeption

    I’m waiting for someone to have the odd experience that comes about when they realize that the nubile young vixen who is naked and standing in front of them was not always a female although, their post-op appearance is quite convincing

    There are two hundred and twenty five trillion post-op trannies in Thailand, and each one is immediately discernable as male. Men can’t move like women. No male can fake female body language.

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  232. In Response to Whiskey:

    A radical and rational reduction of the concept of warfare could be said to be a revolutionary or reactionary act of violence to reorient or defend the criteria I mentioned above…

    * Physical [Re: Performance — Initiative and response are all based on the 5 of the factors in consort with each other. A man must have all these elements under control in degree to act at all in a meaningful way when interacting with others.]

    * Material [Re: A significant field of study in warfare is the study of ‘materiel’ —Which is exactly as it sounds — Studying the safety and deployment of those physical needs [from food for soldiers to weapons of mass destruction] to change and maintain the face of warfare in your favor.]

    * Social [Re: The social dimension isn’t limited to personal interaction. It is utilized on all levels. From persuading a woman that you’re the best choice for sex tonight to persuading someone higher and a social hierarchy than you that you’re the best choice to lead a corporation.]

    * Emotional [Re: The emotional dimension corresponds with the ability to keep your own strong biochemical reactions under control and invoke them in others to your favor. This is different than the ‘Social’ category because, as history and experience shows it can manifest itself in an almost transcendental manner at times. From converting one through a display of empathy to converting the masses through a display of power.]

    * Psychological [Re: I agree with you. In fact, that was one of the examples I originally listed.]

    We seem to be more or less in overall agreeance, Whiskey.

    Let me just clarify: All these aspects of judgement and action are part of the system that is the individual man. They are synergistic — Working together for a Self-Actualized or Alpha Individual and working against those who cannot even get their affairs in other.

    These components are even applicable to organizations and dynamic & decentralized alliances. They maninfest on all levels at all times.

    Also, why I agree that conflict, struggle and suffering are norms for all humanity, the degree that they are doesn’t just manifest in warfare.

    Read Nietzsche or Robert Greene — Man is besieged on all sides, at all time, by forces that are outside of his control.

    What makes an ‘Alpha’ an Alpha is the ability to mitigate against the forces to satisfaction of others. The same applies to Self-Actualized people to the satisfaction of themselves.

    The criteria I listed meet the analytical needs of both concepts in full.

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  233. Sorry for the anger in my above comment, but this post was just whimsical man-boy crap. Seriously. I had just got back from the gym and reading this shit made me want to jump on and destroy the weakling responsible. Love you Roissy, but this shit is horrible. You and the beta-herb were both sheepishly following the girl around. Guess what, your dick stayed as dry as his? Ten guesses at why that was!

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  234. Also…sorry to pile on…but almond butter? Pretty damn SWPL there dude. A single guy should not be buying almond butter.

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  235. @ doug1

    Anyway, the point that China needed someone else to avoid being partitioned by Russia remains!

    @ whiskey

    yet those “beta” Spartans denied women political rights because they all recognyzed their amoral natures, they had a very un-PC view of different races and they weren´t kind to criminals. If a man accepts the true nature of women and he is still able to marry and keep her attracted, he is no beta. For me the Spartan phalanx was composed entirely of alphas.

    @ DA

    Ugly people shouldn’t be having sex with each other. They’re ugly. Their nakedness should repel others away

    DA is becoming one of my favorite commenters. No sarcasm here.

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  236. Then ugly people should refrain from a state of drunkenness to ensure that they don’t have sex with ugly people.

    perfect. Suck it, G Manifesto, DA is the best commenter here

    And ugly people should refrain from sex with drunk people regardless of their status since it’s insulting.

    Wrong. SOmetimes ugly women are necessary to relieve drunk men. Yet the ugly girl should remain sober to avoid entertaining any illusions about her sub-human status and leave as early as possible and cut all contact after that

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  237. gig–

    Agree with you completely on the Spartans.

    Whiskey has a strangely simplistic deductive method of reasoning from over simplified axioms he mostly picks up from roissy without the nuance.

    Alpha means attractive to women by their male dominance.

    Whiskey seems to think that because the Spartans trained their whole lives to not only individually compete, which he leaves out, but most of all to work together as a disciplined and mutually reinforcing team, that they had to be betas.

    Not so if they were especially attractive to women. Evidence suggests they were.

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  238. whiskey believes that only frat boys are alphas. and since frat boys run like hell from military service, it follows that any form of military service is beta

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  239. If a man accepts the true nature of women and he is still able to marry and keep her attracted, he is no beta.

    That’s what DA doesn’t get. He believes in an elect alpha elite somewhere up in the crystal planetary spheres. When in reality it’s much more simple: any normal guy who acts like an alpha is an alpha.

    For me the Spartan phalanx was composed entirely of alphas.

    Whiskey has a very parochial late-decadent California definition of alpha and beta. To him a showboating monkey-boy peacock faggot is an alpha and a disciplined killer is a beta.

    DA is the best commenter here

    FAAAAT WuMin was fun to watch doing his prison rape of Lucifer. The part about Asians silencing Lucy because he is bad for business was priceless.

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  240. DA’s advice to average women to punch above their weight and ride the alpha carousel is as bad as telling teenagers to do heroin because it feels good.

    What DA doesn’t undrstand is that women bond with quality males who have sex with them and being dumped by such a guy is very painful and can even preclude future happiness with other guys.

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  241. PA,

    Humans are driven by circumstances. Your type will become extinct, not because I want it, but because it has to. Asians will overrun you not because they want to, but just because that is the best course of action.

    So how are you going to keep babyboomers alive or run a consumer driven economy with a declining working age population?

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  242. Ah, the babyboomers. The quicker they go to that woodstock in the sky below, the better. And the economy thing? We’ll adjust, like we always do. I notice you dropped the demography thing. Wisely.

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  243. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    Your kind will be dead.. and that is what matters.

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  244. So I’m meeting with a couple of attorneys next week to begin drafting my prenup.

    The free consultation I have to ask questions and figure out who is the right guy only lasts 30 minutes at best so I need to have all my questions prepared beforehand.

    Any attorneys (or particularly smart laymen) have ideas and suggestions for what to discuss?

    I live in Connecticut by the way if that helps.

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  245. is it only me, or others here are unable to see what any links between Lucifer´s phrases? look at it:

    Humans are driven by circumstances.

    Your type will become extinct, not because I want it, but because it has to.

    Asians will overrun you not because they want to, but just because that is the best course of action.

    So how are you going to keep babyboomers alive or run a consumer driven economy with a declining working age population?

    those phrases are completely independent from each other. Nothing but beta bitterness links them.

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  246. PA,

    You have no fucking clue about the ponzi pyramid structure required for the current economic system to function.

    Essentially you require a demographic structure that cannot be willed into existence + a system primitive enough for almost every person to have a useful job. One of the biggest defect of the white mind is a belief in data linearization- only works in a narrow band of conditions.

    You still do not get it- history does not happen because people want it. History is just the process of taking the easiest path at any given time (every actor + random events contribute to the outcome).

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  247. A link of continuity between the sentences of a paragraph is called coherence. Incoherent writing is one of clinically-recognized signs of mental illness.

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  248. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    Obviously you cannot read, comprehend or use a map (or think).

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  249. Lucy, we’ve survivied bigger things than ponzi pyramid schemes. Albania had a huge collapse 10 years ago, they are doing just fine, by Albanian standards. Easter Europe’s entire 50-year economic system collapese in 1990, with pensioners and world-class violinists begging for spare change in Berlin. Hell, we even survived and emerged stronger after your bubonic plague.

    Your thinking is rigid, not fluid. You can not imagine a conceptual model that acommodates adaptation and change. That, and you are one of life’s unhappy losers.

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  250. Seeking Alpha,

    Prenup.. hahahaha.

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  251. gig,

    I am suggesting that the course of events is unfavorable for your type’s continued existence.

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  252. @ Lucifer

    bla bla bla

    Elaborate another comment with more than one sentence per paragraph. I am in a reading comprehension mode this morning

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  253. PA,

    The west has never faced:

    1] An inverted demographic profile.

    2]A world where old zero-sum ideology is counterproductive.

    3] A paralyzed and sclerotic socio-economic system. (2 and 3 are related)

    4] More than one ascendant and equally proficient group.

    5] A world where people who do not look like them can wipe them out, if it came to that.

    6] A world that depends on consumer spending, but is deflationary (remember the -ary part)

    7] widespread systemic confidence fraud (it cannot deliver any of the promises it made to its white citizens)

    8] Generalized beatdowns and loss of confidence (almost every white idea beyond basic science has simultaneously failed).

    9] Risk averseness to a degree that is fatal to big technological advancements.

    10] Feminism.

    You can dodge one or two.. not 10-15 at once (especially because they are synergistic.

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  254. PA,

    It is you who have lost true mental flexibility.

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  255. on September 4, 2009 at 8:37 am gig playing Lucifer

    talking about exchange students, I find black women unnattractive. Because the current payroll came slightly better than expectations. It sucks, because after a whole week of beautiful sunny days, it started raining today and it will be this way the whole weekend

    the Jews and free amsons control the world. This is a side effect of the growing importance of China in the world.

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  256. @ Lucy

    Prenup.. hahahaha.

    Kavita the hooker takes all your money too, just with a little more self-loathing.

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  257. the Jews and free amsons control the world

    Yes but watch it, or we’re putting Brazil on our blacklist.

    Where in Brazil do you live? Can you recommend any high-end, self-contained resorts?

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  258. DA who crapped in your corn flakes? Jeesh.

    Sub-humans eat shit for breakfast.

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  259. Lucy, in 1930 central Europe had a massive economic depression, a decimated male population, children dying from influenza and typhus at epidemic levels, a decadent high culture, and a monster Soviet empire looking hungrily at the whole mess. Shrug.

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  260. Sub-humans eat shit for breakfast.

    Reminds me of this exchange (from memory)

    Private Joker, alarmed: “Pyle, if the drill instructor catches you here, you’ll be in a world of shit.”

    Private Pyle, slowly, with a crazed thousand-yard-stare: “I … AM … in … a … world … of … shit.”

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  261. Then, the drill instructor storms in and screams “Private Pyle, what is your major malfunction in life?!” as Pyle is souding off:

    paraaade… REST!
    atten… HUTT!
    riiiight… FACE!
    insect… ARMS!
    leeeftshoulder… ARMS!
    rightshoulder… ARMS!
    preseeeent… ARMS!

    [BANG!]

    …..

    [BANG!]

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  262. PA,

    but you did not an inverted population pyramid, and the rest of the white world was not as badly fucked + there were no nukes or a way of life so utterly dependent on things working.

    That plus no non-western competition.. ya things were good then. Also no feminism (in it’s modern forms)

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  263. @ tupac

    that one was priceless.

    @ SA

    We have a gentleman´s agreement that you won´t try to immigrate? I am afraid like hell from Argentinian Jews moving here, if American jews (who are 50 times more numerous) start doing the same………..

    http://www.costadosauipe.com.br/br/
    northeastern beaches

    http://www.ariau.tur.br/
    amazonic lodge

    Since you traveling with a girl, North and Northeast Brazil both offer scenic places and ugly people, so there won´t be those awkward situations like you measuring a hotter girl with your LTR by your side

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  264. @ Lucy

    And nukes mean never having to say you’re sorry. The simple fact is America’s modern nuclear arsenal means an invasion of the United States, or even a major attack on the homeland from afar, is impossible, barring some radically advanced new BMD technology.

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  265. Seeking Alpha,

    I prefer south-american, east-european escorts .. funny thing- they are so much nicer/professional than north american born escorts.

    Really what is it with north american born women? They make poor wives, girlfriends and even escorts!

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  266. Seeking Alpha,

    Why invade a country when it’s leaders are willing to be bought by the highest bidder?

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  267. The only thing an “inverted” population pyramid means is that there is more old folks than usual. An adjustment will be made. And as WuMin already told you, this is not unique to the West; in fact, it’s much worse in parts of Asia.

    Anyway, enough time wasting on the internet.

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  268. PA,

    without causing widespread social collapse and disillusionment? keep dreaming.. other countries started much later and can still correct, you are too far down that road.

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  269. I prefer south-american, east-european escorts .. funny thing- they are so much nicer/professional than north american born escorts.

    So you only fuck hookers and none of them are Indian? That’s an interesting way to show love for your people. Do you hate your mother?

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  270. @ SA

    I answered your comment with links, so it is waiting for Roissy to wake up because it under moderation

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  271. Thanks Gig, looking forward to it.

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  272. @ Lucy

    And nukes mean never having to say you’re sorry. The simple fact is America’s modern nuclear arsenal means an invasion of the United States, or even a major attack on the homeland from afar, is impossible, barring some radically advanced new BMD technology.

    Only works if the enemies in question have a true country and static borders to hit. When your mobile or nomadic like many terrorist guerillas have the capability of being, the old ways of war don’t work so well. Especially when a lot of the guerillas are inside your borders, which as far as radical muslims go means intermingled all throughout Western Europe especially and America to a lesser degree. How do you bomb them when they’re in your population?

    The next thing is the inevitabilty of some band of terrorists getting nuclear capability. If Iran’s leader or some other unfriendly leader gets nuclear capability, they won’t even have to go head to head in a nuclear war with America in the old school way. They can just sell it to a ragtag band of guerilla terrorists with suicide bombers who can smuggle the parts and reassemble it in the United States. Guerrilla Warfare combined with willingness to die combined with nuclear capability versus a monolithic country without the willingness to die and win combined with being forced to follow Geneva convention and listen to bleeding heart libs and the “global community?”

    I think you’re overestimating the power of America’s nukes to solve these problems. If you have no country for America to fire nukes back at and you have nukes of your own and suicide bombers, they aren’t as great a deterrent as you think. 18 lbs of plutonium or 55 lbs of enriched uranium are sufficient to build suitcase nuclear bombs. These materials are bought and sold by major players by the ton. Imagine if major players started skimming lbs from orders to deal to people in the black market? The amount needed to build suitcase bombs would be easy to remove unnoticed given the size of your typical order.

    Size can be a weapon and can make you strong, but it also has its drawbacks. It can make you too big and inefficient to respond quickly, too sluggish and bureaucratic to give swift reprisal, too big and clumsy to go into small areas and deal with quick moving, mobile, small threats. Think Roman Empire vs. Barbarians, read Edward Gibbons.

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  273. no amount of military might or nuclear arms will save us in the west because we lack the WILL.

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  274. @ Joe – That was unnecessarily long. We were discussing existential threats to the United States. Terrorists don’t pose an existential threat.

    @ dana – Peace makes us lazy. Give us a war and you would see the fire of the American people. We got a glimpse of it after 9/11 but when we realized the danger was basically nil, we returned to our rationally apathetic ways.

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  275. We were discussing existential threats to the United States. Terrorists don’t pose an existential threat.

    You think once the average American starts to grasp the facts as I’ve laid them out, that won’t pose an existential threats to the United States? You think if powers hostile to the United States ever achieve the rights and ability to enrich uranium and plutonium and start getting them into the hands of terrorists who are unafraid to die that won’t pose an existential threat to the United States? You live in NY, right? You’ve seen how psychologically shaken the population was after 9/11 was right? You think terrorists with nuclear capability won’t demoralize Americans to susbtantially worse levels?

    I think you’re being a little naive here.

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  276. no amount of military might or nuclear arms will save us in the west because we lack the WILL.

    Exactly. We have the means, we lack the will. They have the will, but they lack the means. Problem is, you can eventually purchase the means or learn to utilize the means yourself. It’s hard to reacquire the will once you’ve lost it though. Combine that with different goals. They don’t have to conquer us like an invading army to win. That’s not the point of guerilla warfare.

    Once again, I implore people to read Gibbons on the Fall of Rome.

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  277. Ending non-Western immigration + very strict port & border control procedures eliminate 99% of existential threats to the USA.

    Joe is another one of those who is gleefully daydreaming of whtiey’s collapse, like Lucifer. It is a psychological condition that originates in feelings of envy and inferiority. They both need to stop, it’s unhealthy.

    9 11 woke people up from their slumber but a combination of no further attacks, housing-bubble materialism, and a assive media blitz of suppressing nativist instincts in Amerricans put us back to sleep.

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  278. You’ve seen how psychologically shaken the population was after 9/11 was right?

    Yes, they got scared, for about a year. I still have dreams standing on the 50th floor roof of my parents building, seeing a bomb go off and watching the shockwave come towards me in slow motion, knowing my death is seconds away. It’s exhilarating. It doesn’t effect my life though.

    You think terrorists with nuclear capability won’t demoralize Americans to susbtantially worse levels?

    Demoralize? Maybe. Galvanize? For sure. Neither qualify as an existential threat.

    An existential threat is a threat that could result in the destruction or occupation of the continental United States.

    How many terrorist attacks would it take before we throw every Muslim in an internment camp and lock down the borders properly?

    Would it effect GDP growth? Sure. Would it be disruptive and demoralizing? Of course. Would it lead to the curtailment of our rights and liberties, at least temporarily? Sadly yes.

    Would America still exist with Americans at its helm? Would America still be a great power? Of course.

    Right?

    But if you disagree, this is interesting, so push back anywhere you see weakness in the above.

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  279. 9 11 woke people up from their slumber but a combination of no further attacks, housing-bubble materialism, and a assive media blitz of suppressing nativist instincts in Amerricans put us back to sleep.

    Agreed.

    It’s hard to reacquire the will once you’ve lost it though.

    Not at all. We fled Beirut after the ’83 bombings. We didn’t respond after Khobar Towers, USS Cole, or the Kenya and Tanzania embassy bombings. We had no will.

    Then they took down the towers.

    Two years later we had over a hundred thousand boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    The will returns swiftly and with a vengeance.

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  280. “o how are you going to keep babyboomers alive or run a consumer driven economy with a declining working age population?”

    Robots, yo.

    Demography doesn’t matter if you go whole hog transhumanist.

    The problem currently isn’t too many people or too few people.

    The problem currently is too few of the right kind of people and too many of the wrong kind. This is where I diverge from Mark Steyn — it’s rather worthless to have positive fertility if too many of them are permanent welfare recipients.

    Doesn’t matter, though. Things are changing too fast technologically to extrapolate from current trends. Read your Kurzweil.

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  281. With your habits, buddy boy, by the time you’re 45 you’ll be nursing a cirrhotic liver and twitching down the supermarket aisles in the throes of syphilitic paresis, using the shopping cart as a walker. Twenty year girls won’t give your dissipation-creased face the time of day no matter how suavely you “neg” on them. You’ll be lucky to have any job at all, much less a shitty one, due to you’re going out on weeknights more and more as your score decreases with age, after which you go to work hungover and befuddled and aching for a downsizing. You won’t have a house, but only a rat’s-ass apartment, and that hunk of zirconia you keep on your nighttable as a faux jewel-thief’s prize will be just months away from becoming the murder weapon of that titless black hooker who’ll have to kill you when you stiff her for the blow-job money. Carpe diem, cunt-meister. It won’t last forever…

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  282. @ JB – You should check out the Singularity Summit in October? I went to the one in San Jose last year and it was interesting but that city is a real shithole, and Thiel didn’t even show. And its in New York this year so no need for a plane ticket.

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  283. So Wat Tyler is a bitter ex, yes?

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  284. We have a gentleman´s agreement that you won´t try to immigrate? I am afraid like hell from Argentinian Jews moving here, if American jews (who are 50 times more numerous) start doing the same………..

    I prefer the first world, thanks. You should be more concerned with the US closing its doors to new immigrants when your massive and growing resource wealth turns one of Lula’s successors into a Portuguese-speaking Chavez.

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  285. on September 4, 2009 at 10:32 am Archangel Michael

    O fillthy subcon, your swarthy visage turns the angelic stomach.

    Get thee back to hell. Hot, crowded and smelly. Al fresco defecating. Indeed, hell is a billion other people in an open air toilet aka the subcontinent. Invented the zero – and is a zero. Especially that Bollywood crap.

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  286. Seeking Alpha,

    Been thinking about it. The downside is it’s going to be real sausage fest, if I’m not mistaken…;)

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  287. Been thinking about it. The downside is it’s going to be real sausage fest, if I’m not mistaken…;)

    Well it certainly was last year. On the upside, your training here means the few hot girls you do see should be a cinch to ‘swoop’.

    Plus you’re in New York City. They’re everywhere.

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  288. SA-
    I can’t comment on the contents, but you’re in a stronger enforcement position in the future if your intended has her own attorney to review and comment on the document over the course of several days. Helps prevent dismissal/severment for being a contract of adhesion, etc. etc.

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  289. Doug1

    No they never do with you.

    That’s why you can’t see it.

    Nice try.

    It is the sort of behavior I would expect from high school girls. I mean I guess if you already know the person somewhat you might behave like that, but we’re talking about a complete stranger you just saw for the first time.

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  290. Then they took down the towers.

    Two years later we had over a hundred thousand boots on the ground in the Middle East.

    Yes. And how did that turn out? We spent the whole time fighting with one hand tied behind our back, trying to show the libs back home and the international community we could fight a “sensitive” war. We don’t have the heart for the kind of collateral damage that we once considered acceptable in wars like WW2.

    The will returns swiftly and with a vengeance.

    History says otherwise. Repeatedly. After a year or so the biggest debate in America wasn’t how badly to destroy Al Qaeda but how well we should treat them in detention. The will isn’t coming back.

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  291. Joe is another one of those who is gleefully daydreaming of whtiey’s collapse, like Lucifer. It is a psychological condition that originates in feelings of envy and inferiority. They both need to stop, it’s unhealthy.

    Will you stop with assuming what I think you racial paranoid? Like when you ridiculously got it in your head out of the blue that I support blacks ruining Detroit or whatever other far-out viewpoints you wanted to assume I have a while back? If you want to know what I think about something or my motivations, just ask me and I’ll tell you. Just because I’m a realist about something doesn’t mean I’m “gleefully daydreaming” about it or hoping for it to occur. You have to assess threats in order to respond to them properly. Excessive idealism and failure to study history is what undid George W Bush when he believed simply overthrowing Saddam, draining the swamp and waving the American flag would turn Middle Eastern people into people with a Western democratic mindset overnight.

    The thing that really makes no sense about you is you log on to a blog that frequently forecasts the decline and downfall of Western Civilization and cheer it as great insight. When a black person says the exact same thing, you cry foul. I love the West, I want Western Civilization to continue, I want the decline to be reversed, but the fact remains: the West is too spoiled and comfortable and hedonistic and has lost the will to fight.

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  292. …and why don’t we have the will? because of WOMEN. women are natural born race traitors, they defend the enemy instinctively and are programmed to ride off on the back of any invading army’s saddle to save their own skins. there is no way a nation where single females are a major voting block will ever have the will to utterly destroy the enemy again. they probably all fantasize about being abducted by al quaeda and being in some smelly muslim’s harem.

    the fact that women could vote circa WW2 was irrelevant–few did and they tended to vote the way their husbands did in national affairs. the single female voting block was something that couldn’t even be imagined til after the sexual revolution.

    they have no conception of war. they congenitally fail to understand that killing your enemy’s women, children and cattle and destroying their resources is the QUICKEST way to end a war–by getting the enemy to SURRENDER. they think its “mean” to kill women and children who actively wish to kill you and can’t conceive of the fact that the enemy fights HARDER when the women and children are safe and being given care packages.

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  293. SA

    I still have dreams standing on the 50th floor roof of my parents building, seeing a bomb go off and watching the shockwave come towards me in slow motion,

    You’ve had that dream also? I had a similar one a few days before the bombs started happening here in Jakarta. Slow motion, and you can see the foreboding shock wave.

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  294. Yes. And how did that turn out? We spent the whole time fighting with one hand tied behind our back, trying to show the libs back home and the international community we could fight a “sensitive” war. We don’t have the heart for the kind of collateral damage that we once considered acceptable in wars like WW2.

    So its all or nothing? If we don’t just nuke all of West Asia or put a million boots on the ground than that means our will is gone?

    Two governments actively working against us (Taliban and Sadaam) are gone, Al-Qaeda has been unable to strike us since (and unable to strike ANY Western target in 4 years), and you see that as proof that our will is gone?

    After a year or so the biggest debate in America wasn’t how badly to destroy Al Qaeda but how well we should treat them in detention. The will isn’t coming back.

    No, that’s what pundits on TV and columnists were talking about. Meanwhile terrorists, probably terrorists, maybe terrorists, and maybe terrorist’s brother John were in all safely locked up in Guantanamo and continue to be there despite what Obama says and wants.

    Just because Ezra Klein or Keith Olbermann say something doesn’t make it true.

    Pay attention to the facts and actions, not the words.

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  295. Why does it always devolve into a white superiority race debate? It seems that all you have left is clinging to the hollow idea that white people are superior to all the ‘darkies’ of the world while, over the last 30 years and well into the foreseeable future, they have risen up now that they have shaken off the shackles of their economic opressers. It’s easy to hold someone down when you hold all the economic advantages. Now that it’s a level playing field, all you do is whine. You tell minorities to suck it up, why don’t you do the same? The white superiority delusion is shattered.

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  296. You’ve had that dream also? I had a similar one a few days before the bombs started happening here in Jakarta. Slow motion, and you can see the foreboding shock wave.

    Yup, exactly. It’s not frightening. I don’t know what the word is. But I like them. I’ve always preferred exciting dreams, good or bad, to boring ones.

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  297. jim

    yep

    and the brown people of the world are MUCH better off without them!!

    http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/

    see?

    talk about fucking delusional

    white people should go on strike, tomorrow

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  298. The Fifth Horseman

    Most white Americans’ ancestors came here less than 120 years ago, by the way, which is over a century after the founding of the country and even after the civil war.

    So, we should drop The White Guilt Game for slavery and the whole 40 Acres & A Mule shit

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  299. @ Jim – Africa is still an economic backwater that no one will invest in save for resource extraction, India still has 40% of the world’s poor and malnourished despite 50 years of independence, and the only oppression China is emerging from is its own homegrown dictator. Latin America still can’t get its act together save a few moderate exceptions.

    Whitey didn’t oppress these colonies. They helped them out of savagery. If these countries model Western economic organization and find political stability of any stripe, they can slowly pull themselves out of poverty. It won’t magically happen just because there aren’t European colonies.

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  300. Just testing… is this WordPress moderation or did I comment to much?

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  301. I guess it’s auto-Wordpress. I wish we had a list of no-no words. Moderation can really break the flow of a discussion.

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  302. good johannesburg link – i just sent it to 15 of my friends

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  303. no shit re the modding

    i think ‘s-lavery’ got mine – but, that can be a good thing so long as the publishing is timely and not buried in a Sea of Shite

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  304. @lucifer 6:34 sept 3- I think the Mauryan empire collapsed after he married Connie Chung, and the Chola empire collapsed because all those lower-class hispanic chicks from east LA, with their fake fingernails and trashy skirts, ended up being poor imperial administrators.

    @all- awesome takedown of Lucifer yesterday. great group effort. wish i’d-a been there.

    @TFH- you were born in Ohio? me too – awesome. but grew up here in the DC area.

    @dana- actually, i’m not so sure single women always take the pacifist route. they did between the wars – they were the lead in the foolish “war profiteer” movement – but they didn’t provide meaningful dissent during WWII or after 9/11. the difference may be wars of perceived national survival, when they see themselves as part of the tribe under assault, vs. wars of “choice” (korea, vietnam, afghanistan, iraq) in which an inability or unwillingness to accept male realpolitik thinking allows their default female sentimentality to prevail. also, that clip was creepy.

    @al- giving prenup advice to a man, are we? yeesh, that’s like Stockholm syndrome for a true-blue feminist, no…? 🙂 maybe you’ve been hanging out here too long…

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  305. Dana,
    The thing I’ve always wondered about Joburg was, if its so bad there for Whites, why don’t they simply leave? I mean, enmasse, like a kind of exodus? Its been what, some 15 years since Mandela’s leadership of the country? If its that bad, why not simply roll out?

    Here in the States, Whites don’t have to be told the deal-they simply pack their shit and get to steppin’. White Flight was swift and sure-there wasn’t any announcements, soapbox speeches or sermons rallying the troops necessary. They simply did the damned thing.

    If Africa is so bad for White folk, why don’t they simply leave?

    O

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  306. If Africa is so bad for White folk, why don’t they simply leave?

    Do you love your country? They probably do to.

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  307. on September 4, 2009 at 11:45 am Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Loserfer the Sri Lankan virgin,

    I see that the truth can be a bitch (and don’t get excited by hearing the word bitch).

    Your whole worldview is premised on the belief that the West in general, and American in particular, has a low fertility rate.

    But when UN data showed that America has a higher, yes higher fertility rate than many Asian countries, including the dysfunctional island nation of Sri Lanka that exported waste matter such as yourself, you are silenced and humiliated.

    Let us look at the numbers again, shall we?

    As per the UN, Total fertility rates :

    United States : 2.05
    Sri Lanka : 1.88

    As per the CIA :

    United States : 2.10
    Sri Lanka : 2.02

    Now let’s look at this map.

    It seems America has a higher fertility rate than all East Asian countries, and is in the same bracket as Iran, Turkey, Mexico, Brazil, India, and Indonesia.

    It seems America is outproducing all other developed countries, and is on par with most of the big developING countries.

    The data is there. Do you have balls to read it?

    That certainly punctures your faggotty fantasy of “you kind having no future because of demographics”. Your entire worldview was built on an assuption of only the West having a low birth rate, when in fact America is higher than many developing countries.

    Your own master race of Ceylonese Rakshasas reproduces less than America. Ravana might have had 10 heads and 20 arms, but he did not have 10 dicks, so he could not reproduce enough.

    Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk! Hyuk!

    Since no other Asian here wants to endorse any of your genocide fantasies, it is more than likely they would rather silence your ugly face, since you are bad for business.

    Why else would NONE of the other Asians want to share your views? I challenge you to get even one of the regular Asians to endorse your views. We’re waiting…..

    What a Loser(fer)

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  308. obsidian

    when i said that exact same thing to you regarding blacks feeling alienated here you had a nervous breakdown

    maurice

    http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/0/2/4/5/pages102456/p102456-4.php

    women both in and out of the military significanlty less supportive of the iraq war–also, blacks. proffered as supposting evidence for my assertion only, not “proof”

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  309. @al- giving prenup advice to a man, are we? yeesh, that’s like Stockholm syndrome for a true-blue feminist, no…? 🙂 maybe you’ve been hanging out here too long…

    Thank my baseball love; Bonds got nailed for a couple of prenup shenanigans. That and that grand liberal feminist college which made me less liberal and feminists because they were all damn intolerant.

    Also, it is good advice even from a feminist. A prenup is a contract; if they both have attorneys, input, and the ability to negotiate/walk away then they both have the full capability of making a choice. IHMO, level (or close enough) playing field. Then they should live by the bargain they made.

    Oh, as I keep pointing out, most of the divorced couples I know in my gen have the women paying alimony, as higher earners, with joint custody. Those women BITCH so you might start seeing some females signing on to some of the divorce changes touted here.

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  310. also maurice, that movie is in my top three of all time, national board of review winner best director in 1972 and banned in UK on release, if you ever get a chance to see it, do–derek jarman’s set design alone is a feast for the eyes

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  311. Seeking Alpha,
    I don’t deny that White SAFRers don’t love their country. But if it comes down to a matter of life or death for them, at some point pragmatic concerns have to outweigh idealistic ones.

    Listen-the simple fact of the matter is, that SAFR isn’t likely to go back to “White rule”, not any time soon. And in many ways, White SAFRers brought this on themselves, by forcing Black SAFRers to live half lives, while they enjoyed the life of Riley.

    I am always amazed by some Whites, who expect Black folk to just forget about the past, and I’m not talking about the mists of antiquity here. I’m talking about, in the case of SAFR, less than 20 years?!? Come on.

    So yea yea, SAFR’s a cesspool, this, that, since the Darkies took over. Boo hoo, cry me a river. If you don’t like, you know where the door is. Don’t let it hit on the way out.

    O

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  312. [email protected] 11:17 am. i agree with you but blaming women for this is pointless because that is their nature, like the fable of the frog and the scorpion. the scorpion is just being true to his nature, the frog is the one to blame. women are supposed to be emotional and prone to lapses in reason and logic. men are the ones who are supposed to decide when to indulge them and when to override and veto their whims for the greater good. the anglosphere has become too betaized with men putting women on pedestals, which is why we can’t regain the will to fight easily.

    that’s why i find betas hating female hypergamy and feminism so much to be ironic. betas are the ones who paved the way for all this. they created the great equalizing tech that made women less reliant on men. they were the male allies of feminism that allowed it to reach its current level (i’m pretty sure old school alphas weren’t anxious to see women vote and enter the workplace). this allowed women to need men even less as they could now make their own money, plus it gave them more input into public policy. they supported everything progressive that contributed to female hypergamy, promiscuity, independence and beta male irrelevancy. now they act like it was something society did to them rather than something they willingly did to themselves thanks to their historically excessive white knighting.

    women are just being women, just like the scorpion is just being a scorpion. the frog/beta male is the one dumb enough to let himself get stung repeatedly.

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  313. So yea yea, SAFR’s a cesspool, this, that, since the Darkies took over. Boo hoo, cry me a river. If you don’t like, you know where the door is. Don’t let it hit on the way out.

    According to your [accurate] story, South Africa was unfree but prosperous and had relatively low crime, until the world decided this wasn’t fair and forced the end of apartheid, heralding economic stagnation, cultural decline, and the highest crime rates in the world.

    Yes, it might be logical that they just leave. But more importantly, don’t you see that you’re showing us why they never should have ended apartheid in the first place.

    I wonder if all the liberals like Dead Ted feel bad about the hellhole they’re created in South Africa. Probably not. They don’t have to live there.

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  314. Dana,
    As I recall, we were discussing somethin a bit different. White SAFRers, from what I’ve gathered, aren’t doing what Black folk did almost a half century ago. They aren’t conducting sit ins. They aren’t peaceably assembling. They aren’t marching. They aren’t bringing court challenges. All I see them doing is bitching and moaning that they’re no longer top dog. Too bad.

    Now, when YOU get to bitcing and moaning like the Woman you are, about why Black folk are this and that, and I sawy why not simply move your White ass to a Whiter part of the country like all your fellow White folk do, you clam up. No one’s leaving, Miss Thang-OK? If you don’t like it, you know where the door is.

    Use it.

    O

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  315. No one’s leaving, Miss Thang-OK? If you don’t like it, you know where the door is.

    Use it.

    Glad to see your absence here hasn’t dampened your bitterness any.

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  316. “Now that it’s a level playing field, all you do is whine. ”

    LOL.

    Yeah, hence the unending complaints about unfairness of SAT and other g-loaded tests, with such absurd arguments as “cultural unfairness” on math tests, of all things. When a native Chinese kicks ass on a ETS-created math test, and the NAMs don’t, it has little to do with “culture”.

    “Level playing field” — that’s a good one.

    If there was a true level playing field, there’d be riots in the streets, buddy.

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  317. obsidian

    there’s a hysterical woman here all right–but it isn’t me

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  318. Seeking Alpha,
    You still don’t get it, do you? People will simply not live as second class citizens, no matter what it takes. It was simply unacceptable for SAFR to have a truly “seperate and unequal” society-it was morally repugnant, which was why SAFR’s economic decline began quite a while before Mandela came along.

    But we can debate that forever and a day. The bottomline is, if White SAFRers don’t like the way things are being done, they have several choices. One of them is in using the political process like Blacks did to lobby for what they think are their rights.

    The other option is to simply leave, because they won’t win a firefight. Doing this is actually easy to do, because White folk have largely perfected the move.

    O

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  319. Glad to see your absence here hasn’t dampened your bitterness any.

    calling out one person for bitterness around here is like singling one guy out for pedophilia at a NAMBLA national convention.

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  320. does bitter even have a meaning outside of “i disagree with your angry comment and want to shame you”?

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  321. Dana, you know what, lemme ask you-what have you directly contributed to this forum? Which is Game-related, if not focused. There are a few Women who I would say have at the least, spoken directly to the topic. What have you contributed?

    All I can recount of your many postings, all the words, are on stuff that doesn’t have a damned thing to do with Game-and you’re not alone. The majority of commenters here, don’t contribute, but at least they don’t come off as a rectal itch. A small number do, but again, the majority don’t and hence are tolerable.

    For all the handwringing, bitching and the rest of it, the bottomline here is that the world is what it is, and we’re not going back. If you truly care for Men as much as claim to, then actually contribute something that can actually help the average, more than likely White guy here, who aint getting any, doesn’t have a girlfriend, and who’s chances have even having a marriage to turn down are long to say the least. If you really want to make yourself useful, do that.
    The Obsidian

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  322. dana:

    obsidian

    when i said that exact same thing to you regarding blacks feeling alienated here you had a nervous breakdown

    yup

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  323. does bitter even have a meaning outside of “i disagree with your angry comment and want to shame you”?

    so true.

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  324. lol obsidian i really give a flying fuck about whether someone who wrote 45 10,000 word essays on “the wire” thinks my contributions to this forum are important

    when roissy bans me or makes negative comments on my posts i’ll reconsider the nature of my participation here

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  325. Obs:

    As I recall, we were discussing somethin a bit different. White SAFRers, from what I’ve gathered, aren’t doing what Black folk did almost a half century ago. They aren’t conducting sit ins. They aren’t peaceably assembling. They aren’t marching. They aren’t bringing court challenges. All I see them doing is bitching and moaning that they’re no longer top dog. Too bad.

    Cognitive dissonance, evasion and compartmentalization are a thing to behold.

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  326. dana – “there’s a hysterical woman here all right–but it isn’t me”

    I think you’re hysterical in a “you should do stand-up” kind of way.

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  327. another black guy:

    that’s why i find betas hating female hypergamy and feminism so much to be ironic. betas are the ones who paved the way for all this

    “That’s why I find white people hating on black social dysfunction so much to be ironic. Whites are the ones who brought blacks to this country.”

    Them isn’t we, and that was then, this is now.

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  328. another black guy:

    Or you could just use my name you know, “random white guy.”

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  329. Not when you’re being disingenuous, Joe.

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  330. Joe

    Yes. And how did that turn out? We spent the whole time fighting with one hand tied behind our back, trying to show the libs back home and the international community we could fight a “sensitive” war. We don’t have the heart for the kind of collateral damage that we once considered acceptable in wars like WW2.

    It’s a different kind of war with different technology. There is no enemy military, and carpet bombing has been rendered obsolete by precision-guided munitions and drones.

    dana

    they have no conception of war. they congenitally fail to understand that killing your enemy’s women, children and cattle and destroying their resources is the QUICKEST way to end a war–by getting the enemy to SURRENDER.

    And do you think this is standard operating procedure for Western militaries, or most modern militaries?

    they think its “mean” to kill women and children who actively wish to kill you

    Killing non-combatants is kind of frowned upon. Has been for some time.

    Obsidian

    Here in the States, Whites don’t have to be told the deal-they simply pack their shit and get to steppin’. White Flight was swift and sure-there wasn’t any announcements, soapbox speeches or sermons rallying the troops necessary. They simply did the damned thing.

    If Africa is so bad for White folk, why don’t they simply leave?

    Don’t tell anyone, but I think moving within the country might be a bit more simple than moving to a new one.

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  331. Not when you’re being disingenuous, Joe.

    Just because you don’t like what I have to say doesn’t make me disingenuous. Stop taking disagreement personally.

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  332. Seeking Alpha:

    As to your remark “So Wat Tyler is a bitter ex, yes?'”, you are so wrong. I’ve never been divorced, and I’m not even female. It’s just that I’ve been acquainted with quite a number of “alpha males” over the years, and I know what happens to a lot of them in the end.

    As a married man who’s perfectly happy with staying faithful to his wife, I resent being denigrated as a “beta” by a bunch of shallow, misogynistic, bed-hopping sleazeballs deluded enough to mistake their bad habits for evidence of their own superiority.

    As for me, I married the woman of my dreams and have been happy with her ever since – although not so happy with the world at large. If you think anyone here is expressing the kind of animosity towards the opposite sex that belies some horrendous alliance in his – or perhaps his father’s past – it’s Roissy himself.

    It’s tragic that the boozy self-importance of clowns like this no longer disappear into vapor the moment they are spoken, but are enshrined forever in a “blog”.

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  333. Dana,
    Yes, its true that I’ve written quite a bit on The Wire-which, by your own admission you know NOTHING about, why does that not surprise me?-but I’ve also written copiously on various aspects of Game. I can point to at least one Man in this forum who, as a result of my writing, I’ve helped in one of the biggest and most consequential areas of his life. There are others here who can vouch for my writing on Game-related topics. This is all documented.

    No one is suggesting you be banned, censured or edited in any way. I am simply asking you: given that this is primarily a Game blog, what have YOU directly contributed in that regard?

    Your response?

    O

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  334. Wat Tyler championed:

    I resent being denigrated as a “beta” by a bunch of shallow, misogynistic, bed-hopping sleazeballs

    dam. sounds like that rly sucks

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  335. Obsidian diagnosed:

    Dana,
    I can point to at least one Man in this forum who, as a result of my writing,

    I’ll admit, your preventing arpy from killing and eating his barmaid (Skandinaviksh style) was the act of true largesse

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  336. @ Wat Tyler

    As a married man who’s perfectly happy with staying faithful to his wife, I resent being denigrated as a “beta” by a bunch of shallow, misogynistic, bed-hopping sleazeballs deluded enough to mistake their bad habits for evidence of their own superiority.

    Strawman. No one would call you a beta just for being married and not cheating.

    We might call you feminine though for the catty, ten-line verbal diarrhea you unleashed unprovoked earlier. ‘Cunt-meister’? Give me a break. Why are you even here?

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  337. Firepower,
    Thanks. Unlike some, I have never attempted to set out to save the world. Nor do I think I have all the answers. What I do know, however, is what its like to be in the company of a Woman who wants to be in my company; to love her and for that love to be returned; and to keep that love going for more than a fortnight.

    The spiritual scriptures I follow tells me, that saving one life is like saving the whole of humanity. I can’t “save” everybody. I know that.

    But I can “save” one. If I don’t do anything else than to help Arpie out, for just one night or two, then it would be worth it, and it would be more than loudmouths like Dana have done, for anyone.

    The Obsidian

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  338. People will simply not live as second class citizens, no matter what it takes.

    Actually lots of people will. It’s a cultural thing. Take our argument with Lucy for example. Indian culture is so ingrained with a submissive mindset that he didn’t consider India’s rule over Britain to be any different than Indian rule. He defended it by saying, well of course they didn’t mind their British masters – they ran the country well.

    African culture is different I guess. They’d rather be first class citizens in a poor, violent hellhole than be second class citizens in a stable, moderately wealthy country.

    It’s a cultural thing.

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  339. The spiritual scriptures I follow tells me, that saving one life is like saving the whole of humanity.

    That’s in the Koran, right?

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  340. Seeking Alpha,
    Yup, in the Qur’an.

    As for Indians, perhaps you forgot one word: Ghandi.

    And as for African people, it is up to them as to how they wish to live. So long as its a free and fair democratic process, I’m cool with it.

    O

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  341. As for Indians, perhaps you forgot one word: Ghandi.

    He was just a guy. Britain would have kept India if they could have afforded it. More importantly, India could have thrown off British rule quite easily if they had chosen to bear arms.

    And as for African people, it is up to them as to how they wish to live. So long as its a free and fair democratic process, I’m cool with it.

    That’s true. But can you agree that the choice between freedom and stability is not as easy as you make it seem? That there are many, many cultures that take stability over freedom? For instance Russia, China and India.

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  342. Does the apostrophe in that word affect its English pronounciation?

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  343. Just because you don’t like what I have to say doesn’t make me disingenuous. Stop taking disagreement personally.

    You’ll have to forgive me. My mood has been soured after recently learning Clio is engaged. Now I’m on a hairtrigger to make someone else feel my rage.

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  344. It’s all good Tupac.

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  345. It’s all good Tupac.

    Not if she’s engaged to a black guy.

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  346. Tupac – at least Clio served well as your muse. The scribbled poem I found at your restaurant table and all, after you spied her, hair dyed black, dining with some male companions.

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  347. Not if she’s engaged to a black guy.

    Ha!

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  348. Firepower:

    They say Marlon Brando used to take a shit without wiping his ass. That reminds me of you. Although I’m sure you sort of look more like Tom Sizemore…

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  349. ykw,

    “Killing non-combatants is kind of frowned upon. Has been for some time.”

    frowned upon by whom? our enemies who want to keep us defanged in perpetuity? the left? the “international community(cf. our enemies who want to keep us defanged in perpetuity)

    yes, it is “frowned upon”, that’s why our soldiers die needlessly in wars that could take days, that’s why we inexplicably gave up and left in vietnam after suffering so many casualties and expending so much money on a war in which we never lost a major battle.

    we fight with our own hands tied behind our backs and think our enemies appreciate it–they don’t they believe THEY beat us, not ourselves, and think we are weak and insane

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  350. Wat Tyler revealed:

    They say Marlon Brando used to take a shit without wiping his ass. That reminds me of you. Although I’m sure you sort of look more like Tom Sizemore…

    wow, all a guy does is try to empathize with a downtrodden, liberal brother who’s been destroyed by the Mennaissance,

    and he gets personal, attacking a champion of native americans rights with “size-ist” slurs about his bowel movements because he has the disease of obesity. Not to mention Tom, a poor, Hollywood victim of the disease of drug addiction.

    you FOX News types are sure vicious with your hate

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  351. African culture is different I guess. They’d rather be first class citizens in a poor, violent hellhole than be second class citizens in a stable, moderately wealthy country.

    Or were the blacks receiving enough benefits from the white South African government to warrant maintaining the status quo?

    If Africa is so bad for White folk, why don’t they simply leave?

    They’re actually leaving in sizable numbers, but as others have noted, it’s not easy to move from one country to another.

    White SAFRers, from what I’ve gathered, aren’t doing what Black folk did almost a half century ago.

    I’d suspect that’s because any protest of that manner by the whites would be labelled as racist and a precursor to bringing back apartheid.

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  352. Seeking Alpha:

    I was talking about married guys in general, dickhead – not me. Nobody ever called me a “beta”. I ain’t feminine either. I’m a broad-shouldered, square-jawed six-foot-one with a radio-announcer’s voice who gets more exercise than some lazy slacker like you gets in a lifetime. You probably look more like the Yiddish dweeb in Roissy’s last post than I do. (So, probably, does Roissy without his contacts.) But the worst thing about you is you think you have the wit to game the ladies when your intuition is so fucking lame you can’t even tell a man from a woman. Lots o’ luck, retard.

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  353. dana

    frowned upon by whom? our enemies who want to keep us defanged in perpetuity? the left? the “international community(cf. our enemies who want to keep us defanged in perpetuity)

    Frowned upon by modern society.

    yes, it is “frowned upon”, that’s why our soldiers die needlessly in wars that could take days, that’s why we inexplicably gave up and left in vietnam after suffering so many casualties and expending so much money on a war in which we never lost a major battle.

    You’re right. I think we should extend this philosophy to the police as well, so whenever there’s a crime they just kill everyone within a 5 block radius.

    we fight with our own hands tied behind our backs and think our enemies appreciate it–they don’t they believe THEY beat us, not ourselves, and think we are weak and insane

    They are savage degenerates, it hardly matters what they think.

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  354. Wat Tyler,

    You have a lot of pent up anger. Sounds like you may need more exercise.

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  355. Tupac,

    Clio is engaged? I think I see a secret mission for Racer X to get Clio unengaged…one night with Racer X and she will soon forget her fiance.

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  356. ykw

    ridiculous, disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

    the police are an arm of the state entrusted with a monopoly on the use for force specifically in order to remove that option from the populace. it enforces the laws of the state against its OWN CITIZENS, who have constitutional rights. the military operates against citizens of an enemy state in a time of war. there is no comparison.

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  357. on September 4, 2009 at 2:04 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    Take our argument with Lucy for example. Indian culture is so ingrained

    Loserfer is Sri Lankan.

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  358. Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin,

    Hate to tell you this, but you cannot even identify the country I was born in correctly. So don’t waste my time..

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  359. Seeking Alpha,

    You still do not get it.. your type’s presence is no longer necessary or desired. It is over..

    Nobody other than your type and a few fellaters care about your contributions. You do not acknowledge others, so no one is acknowledging your contributions. Why do we require you now?

    [editor: this troll operation is beginning to approach david alexander escape velocity.]

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  360. [editor: this troll operation is beginning to approach david alexander escape velocity.]

    Agreed. He’s gone back to the banal, meaningless statements that are his trademark. Too bad. This thread was getting stale anyway.

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  361. this troll operation is beginning to approach david alexander escape velocity

    wrong. DA is funny and his comments in this thread have been memorable. And DA is capable of linking several sentences together, something well above Lucy´s abilities

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  362. do not acknowledge others, so no one is acknowledging your contributions.

    A touchy-feely root of his psychic torments? Now I see. All Lucy needs is a hug. The fat Reno escort should be OK with giving you one if you negotiate it into her rates.

    do we require you now?

    “Require” ? It’s like I’m hearing Cobra Commander from 1980s GI Joe cartoons screeching his mgalomaniac screeds using all those multisyllabic words where simpler ones do equally well.

    Cobra Commander / Lucy: “I shall no loner require your presence! Have me summoned when operations so dictate. I shall be in my quarters. Aaaarkh!”

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  363. “Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin”

    You are right that Sri lanka is a relatively stable South Asian state. With a sustainable birthrate and a literacy level almost competitive with Latin America. A GDP per cap (PPP) of $4,000 may be well beneath the living standards of the West, but it is nearly twice that of India.

    For those interested in South Asia, you should pay close attention to Sri lanka, its the type of civilizational development India will hope to achieve in 3 to 4 decades, on a good day.

    As for the “war”, if you paid any attention to world affairs you would know that the Sri Lankan Sinhalese pwned the shit out of those turd-skinned Tamils using Chinese dollars and weapons earlier this year. Jintao has given them nearly billion dollars in aid this year alone. The Times of London seems to think the PLA is building a naval base, just like they have in Pakistan. For all the talk of colonialism…

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  364. on September 4, 2009 at 4:25 pm Mu'Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin

    levi,

    Sri Lanka is a near-failed state. Just within the last decade, it was in the world news that cricket teams from other countries were afraid to tour there. This puts Sri Lanka on par with Pakistan. India has never been so unstable that sports teams were in danger by going there.

    Furthermore, to have fertility rate below replacement levels even while the country is still poor, essentially provides them no future. They will have an aging problem long before they ever taste wealth.

    Now, the advent of television may also have something to do with the fall in Sri Lankan fertility rates. Television showed Sri Lankan men that their women were truly ugly, which was not obvious in the pre-television age.

    Hence ultra-losers like Loserfer are typical in Sri Lanka. Per capita, a you don’t see many of his type coming from India.

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  365. As a married man who’s perfectly happy with staying faithful to his wife, I resent being denigrated as a “beta” by a bunch of shallow, misogynistic, bed-hopping sleazeballs deluded enough to mistake their bad habits for evidence of their own superiority.

    It’s tragic that the boozy self-importance of clowns like this no longer disappear into vapor the moment they are spoken, but are enshrined forever in a “blog”.

    I’ve yet to hear anyone denigrate monogamous marriage, on this blog. Other than the legal aspect of it, and it being a high risk venture. And other than the fact that wives tend to become less attractive, especially relative to younger women. And other than the fact that being married lowers testosterone and all the mental traits associated with it.

    And I fail to see what’s tragic about boozy self important entertainments being enshrined in a blog. Most entertainment is boozy and self important.

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  366. O

    And as for African people, it is up to them as to how they wish to live. So long as its a free and fair democratic process, I’m cool with it.

    Some societies run better with greater top-down authority. Malaysia is an excellent example of how a benevolant and wise dictator can create a country more prosperous and stable than similar countries under democracy. Singapore is another example of western style government that leads to prosperity, without democracy.

    Some people vote into power people and events they don’t understand. In those cases their choice is not to their betterment. Do you allow your children to vote on what breakfast cereal they get to eat, and what bedtime they get to have, and what school hours they are allowed? Some people are too childish to have earned a voice in a participatory democracy.

    It’s cruel to allow children equal rights.

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  367. Love both these points

    Some people are too childish to have earned a voice in a participatory democracy.

    It’s cruel to allow children equal rights.

    I just finished reading Heinlein’s Starship Troopers. Very interesting dialogues in there on the morality and practicality of suffrage.

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  368. “Mu’Min Seeks FAAAAT WuMin”

    In that region of the world, you must look at relative impoverishment. You can have absolute destitution, with 76% of your population living off of less than $2 a day (rivaling most SSA countries), or merely have 40% of your population living off less than $2 a day.

    I’ve never been there but on most national indicators from literacy, sanitation, educational attainment, whatever: Sri Lanka is ahead of India, and obviously waaayy ahead of Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    My brother lived in HK for a few years and has consistently traveled to the “dirty” industrial towns in inland china and vietnam for the last decade or so. Yet upon arriving in india last year in India he was fucking horrified with the shit smell and impoverishment (he doesn’t work in the tech industry, so he wasn’t visiting “high tech” cities like Bangalore which are merely shitty – he had to visit those decrepit hellholes where the other 1.1 billion indians live).

    Can you explain why an increasing birthrate is good for region of the world? Perhaps they hope their mass of humanity will deter the Chinese from inevitable colonizing them but that is not the pathway to “wealth” – especially when your average citizen lacks the skills to answer phones, apparently.

    I’ve got nothing personal against indians or indian-americans. I’ve dated and fucked plenty. Unfortunately many of the american ones seem to have fetishes for black men, you seem to be no exception 😦

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  369. Seeking Alpha,
    OBS: As for Indians, perhaps you forgot one word: Ghandi.

    SA: He was just a guy. Britain would have kept India if they could have afforded it. More importantly, India could have thrown off British rule quite easily if they had chosen to bear arms.

    O: That may be true, but the fact remains that Ghandi galvanized the people of India to throw off the shackles of the British Raj once and for good.

    O: And as for African people, it is up to them as to how they wish to live. So long as its a free and fair democratic process, I’m cool with it.

    SA: That’s true. But can you agree that the choice between freedom and stability is not as easy as you make it seem? That there are many, many cultures that take stability over freedom? For instance Russia, China and India.

    O: I would leave India out of that group as they are far and away more free and democratic than the other two countries you mentioned. Still, as Xsplat notes above wrt Malaysia and Singapore, yup, people can and do choose alternate formsof gov’t over freely democratic elections.

    Holla back

    O

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  370. O

    Still, as Xsplat notes above wrt Malaysia and Singapore, yup, people can and do choose alternate formsof gov’t over freely democratic elections.

    You sidestepped my point, doubly.

    My point was that some societies and genetic stock of people don’t produce citizens that up to the task of democratic participation.

    You re-framed that as people choosing a dictatorship. As if that’s just another form of voting for what they want.

    Wrong on both points. They don’t choose dictatorship, and it isn’t merely an alternate choice. It’s a system that is a better fit to the culture and genetic stock of the populace.

    SE Asia is dominated politically by the Chinese, who are far smarter than the Malay stock that is indigenous to the region. It’s not about democracy – it’s about power.

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  371. MuMin: “Furthermore, to have fertility rate below replacement levels even while the country is still poor, essentially provides them no future. They will have an aging problem long before they ever taste wealth. ”

    Completely wrong! Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

    Low birth rates are the salvation of poor countries. If you’re poor, at least you won’t have too many mouths to feed. If your population goes down, at least you’ll have more basic resources (land, esp water) per capita.

    Low birth rates are great.

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  372. OBS

    You are quite right about the British Empire after WW 2. They lost India and most of everything else because they were economically busted.
    It is hard to show that they ever made money from controlling a place like India. They sure could not make money if the place resisted being ruled.
    It has been said that he end result of a well managed “colony” is always an independent nation. There are so many good examples of this. I am more than a little Anglophilic.

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  373. PA: Putting the apostrophe helps you in that showing the closest pronunciation to it in English is to pronounce the different parts of the word as if separate — particularly useful if two vowels are next to each other. The apostrophe also functions as a substitution for two different letters (their closest relative being the letter ‘a’) in Arabic. I find it helpful, it changes the accent being used in my head.

    Rum:

    Looking back on the Med School Experience so far, does it not occur to you that it does a pretty good job of beating all sorts of naive-ness out of a person?

    I’m wondering if I was a bit of an oddity. My worldview was probably disproportionately skewed towards pessimism. Actually the biggest discovery so far has been that even if it looks soul-destroyingly hopeless, there actually can still be something you can in fact do. Not “curing”, but ameliorating some aspect to tolerable levels.

    Certainly bringing one to face reality: good and bad.

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  374. SA: Thinking about it and not wanting to spoil too many surprises for anyone yet to read…
    His solution to that excludes women to some extent.
    Not something he overtly acknowledged.
    Deliberate by Mr. Heinlein
    or just incidental to his logic?

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  375. Xsplat,
    OK, genetics. Whatever. Bottomline, people choose what they want. Believe me, if people don’t want a certain kind of gov’t, they WILL get rid of it.

    They said that Iraqis were basically incapable of getting rid of a strongman kind of gov’t in Saddam and moving to a more democratic form of gov’t. They were wrong. Say what you will about the Iraq War, but the truth is that most Iraqis were overjoyed to see Saddam gone. The tapes don’t lie.

    Is democracy for everyone? In theory I say yeah, but in practice its another matter. One could just as easily make the case that Russians have an inherent “anti-democracy gene” because of their endency to gravitate towards autocratic leaders. And then there’s Singapore-whats their excuse? Another genetic predisposition despite their high IQs?

    Anyway, like I said, people, for whatever reason, choose the gov’ts they have. If and when they want something different, they WILL choose it.
    O

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  376. “Low birth rates are the salvation of poor countries. If you’re poor, at least you won’t have too many mouths to feed. If your population goes down, at least you’ll have more basic resources (land, esp water) per capita.”

    Low birth rates may be salvation for those nations pouring aid $$ into rat hole nations by reducing the total mouths to feed, but low birth rates are hell for the nations themselves by reducing the labor pool. You have fewer people working in relation to the total.

    Kids are workers starting at age 7 or 8, and they contribute to family income. They are capital assets.

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  377. The real advantage of autocratic rule is that it does away with the problem of “what will the winners do to the losers?” that is at the heart of election violence in places where tribalism and class division make any kind of consensus difficult-to-impossible to achieve. In such places, every change of government spells death or the likelihood of catastrophic loss to those formerly in power.

    That’s why it’s often better, in places where ethnic and class divisions run deep and irreconcilable, to establish a ruler with quasi-monarchical authority, preferably benign and under the rule of law.

    In fact, skip the quasi-monarchical authority; monarchical is better yet. Unless a monarch dies without issue (always a problem; that’s why Europe had so many wars called “the war of the X succession”), there isn’t any difficulty about who is going to take power when the reigning leader dies. The matter is determined by inheritance, not a power struggle between factions that may well end in war. Kingship is better than dictatorship in this respect.

    Incidentally, I think one reason for the instability of monarchical regimes across Africa and Asia is that their societies were nearly always polygamous. The men of polygamous families tend to be, paradoxically, closer to their mothers than to their fathers, and feel less of a sense of disloyalty in going to war against their fathers’ other sons by different wives.

    [editor: this is a good point. on a related note, i have noticed that american black men effuse much more lovingly for their mothers than their fathers.]

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  378. on September 5, 2009 at 3:10 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””My future. It won’t be that herb’s. Hookers, game and, if need be, expatriation to cash in on my Americanness with a much younger loving, sexy East European or South Asian woman. Anything less would be… uncivilized.”””””””””””

    Word

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  379. dana

    the police are an arm of the state entrusted with a monopoly on the use for force specifically in order to remove that option from the populace. it enforces the laws of the state against its OWN CITIZENS, who have constitutional rights. the military operates against citizens of an enemy state in a time of war. there is no comparison.

    The objective in both Iraq and Afghanistan is to rebuild the countries and turn them into productive, modern democracies. Whether this is realistic or not is irrelevant, the fact is that simply killing everyone and turning the countries into parking lots would contradict the purpose of these occupations. It would also damage foreing relations beyond belief, and randomly killing innocent people is simply not something that civilized people do, even against foreigners. Unlike you, most people are not psychopaths.

    Do you think it would have been better if Germany and Japan had been purged of all human life instead of being turned into the countries they are today?

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  380. HA, you outdid yourself on this post bud. Gotta give you a standing O.

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  381. @chic – Gotta give you a standing O

    Don’t let your shaky legs give out on you. 😉

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  382. @ aoefe- Oh gosh, I didn’t mean that in a dirty way 😆

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  383. aliasclio….

    monarchical regimes are, for the most part, unstable. The main issue is that the “benevolant/smart dictator” doesn’t happen every generation.

    as for unstable monarchies…. the Ming, Quin, Indian/Moghul, Safavid, Ottoman, were both larger and more stable than all European monarchies. And even they ran into the same, dumb-leader problem.

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  384. on September 13, 2009 at 3:36 pm SAW: South Asian Woman

    “My future. It won’t be that herb’s. Hookers, game and, if need be, expatriation to cash in on my Americanness with a much younger loving, sexy East European or South Asian woman”

    NOT!

    South Asia is India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka.

    We are conservative and do arranged marriage with our own.

    You must have meant South-east Asian….

    They are more open to inter-cultural, inter-ethnic and inter-religious pairing. Not us.

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