Alpha Assessment Monday: Tuesday Edition!

Why Tuesday? For the same reason you should sporadically cancel dates on girls. Defy expectations.

Case #1

Submitted by G:

So a girl texted me with a question, which I answered with one word, then gave her the following:

Me: I had Chinese for lunch today. My fortune cookie read: “You have inexhaustible wisdom and power.” The Chinese are very wise people, indeed.

Her: So, I presume you turned the fortune over, and it also read “but your humility is exhausted”?

Me: The flip side read, “Consequently, you have no need for humility.” As I said, a wise people.

Her: ha. nice.

Pass or no pass?

Did you respond to her “ha. nice.” text with a smilie? Then you failed. Otherwise, you passed.

I do like the way you reined in your witticisms. Many guys go beta by laying on the wit too thick. One or two funny quips is all you need, sprinkled liberally with one word game. You’re not trying to entertain her; she’s there to entertain you.

Case #2

Submitted by Chris:

I’m at a friend’s wedding two weekends ago and I see a friend of the bride, who used to be fat, but has since lost a good amount of weight (and now looks decent, I’d say a 7).

I flirt with her a little early on, but ignore her until the end of the night. I’m dancing with some friends and catch her eye across the room. She waves at me to come where she is, but I shake my head and give her the “no, YOU come HERE” curled finger. She complies and we dance for a bit.

After about 10 minutes, I head to the bar for another drink. On the way back to my table to grab my smokes I pass her, hand her my phone and say “put your number in here.” On my way back I grab the phone without saying anything else.

I wait until Wednesday to call her – conversation lasts a solid half-hour. We make plans to meet up Saturday for dinner. I meet her at the restaurant, food is good, conversation is good. She’s still in grad school and pays for her own apartment, so she doesn’t have a ton of cash. So I pick up dinner but tell her she owes me desert. So she takes me to a Japanese place where we get some crazy thing that they light on fire. I ask her to come with me to another wedding in a couple weeks, which she agrees to. End of the night – no kiss close, but solid IOIs during the night.

Tuesday I send her a txt:
“You’re coming with me to a concert Friday.”

She instantly calls me and we talk for a few minutes and she agrees to go.

Yesterday, she calls me around 5pm, and I don’t answer. She leaves a voicemail saying that she can’t go out Friday night because she gets up at 4am on Friday and 6am on Saturday and that she’ll be too tired.

I wait until 1030pm to text her:
“That’s fine about Friday, but if you flake on me for the wedding you’re done.”

No response yet. I think I did well up until maybe the last text which perhaps was too asshole-ish. Thoughts?

+1 for flirting and then ignoring her.
+1 for the finger curl.
0 for the creative digit close (amusing, but it sounds like you forced the number close before building enough attraction).
-1 for the half hour follow-up conversation (ten minutes, tops).
-1 for the dinner date (dinners are horrible date ideas, and even worse first date ideas).
-1 for paying for her dinner (so what if she’s poor? plenty of poor girls manage to buy themselves shoes and handbags).
-1 for asking her to accompany you to a wedding before you’ve even banged her.
-1 for inviting her to two different dates (wedding and concert) so soon after the first date (neediness).
-1 for getting upset and not handling her flake with uncaring asshole humor.

Total score: -4

Is it any wonder she blew you off with an obvious lie?

UPDATE:

Her text the next day:
“Nope we are on 4 the wedding since it starts @ 5 I will have energy.”

Me, 2 hours later:
“I plan on being the center of attention so make sure you’re prepared.”

Her, the next day:
” you are too much!”

Me, an hour later:
” Did your phone break for a day?”

She’s got hand, and she knows it. She’s toying with you. You showed too much interest too soon by inviting her here, there, and everywhere. From now on you can expect this sort of impolite behavior from her, where she waits hours to text back and leaves you wondering about her feelings for you. You will be lucky to get the bang. If you haven’t banged, I suggest canceling the wedding date and offering a nebulous “better idea for a date” which you will call her later with details.

Case #3

Submitted by biktopia:

I was at my bf’s friend for dinner last week, and heard a interesting one,
this guy told me, that when he is going home with a girl he just met, and the girl says, i will just sleep at yours, nothing will happen, i’m not that kind of girl, then he knows for sure the girl will go to bed with him.
I will agree that this statement is 100% true.

This statement is contingently true. Her intent is 100% to go to bed with him, but execution of intent depends on his skill at affording her a plausible non-slut rationalization.

Case #4

Submitted by vicmackey:

girl i met about a week ago. dinner with common friends. very friendly talk and stuff. i do not game (just starting to know the Game) but i am usually pleasant and funny. we are both grad students.

anyhow, sent message today about going to get a beer. this is exchange:
——————
Me: Hi S.,

I am meeting a few friends tonight for a beer. I’d like if you could come.

It is going to be at 10pm at XX.

See you
F.
—————-
Hi F!

I’d have liked to meet up tonight, but I just got back from watching a friend in the Marathon and have been in X Park all weekend, so I’ve got about seven hours of work in front of me.

Let me know if you all go out again any time soon though; would love to join.

Hope all is well!

S.
———————
Me: call you next time then!

bye
__________________

any grave mistakes? suggestion for next steps?

Your first mistake is the tone of your date invitation. “I’d like if you could come” sounds needy, earnest and too polite to be appreciated by the crass beasts that American women have devolved into. Are you a foreign man from a feminized culture? If so, you’ll have to chuck the temptation to act chivalrously. A better invitation would be this (note the lack of punctuation): “im meeting a few friend for drinks. come and ill let you buy first round.”

Your second mistake was even bothering to respond to her blatant blow-off. Know this about girls: When they are interested in you, they will make the date happen. It doesn’t matter if her excuse was true (it wasn’t) or if it had any bearing on her ability to meet you for drinks (it didn’t), the fact is that she put you down nicely because you had not triggered a gina tingle. If you had coaxed a tingle she would have offered a second date idea. Instead, she left you hanging with that weak “let me know IF YOU ALL go out again” group hug LJBF.

Do you want to be Master of the Gina Tingle? Then you need to toughen up and stop treating women as something other than the smelly, tawdry, mudcaked, vagina following, venal animals they are. This means you need to summon your inner asshole. “Call you next time then!” are not the words of your inner asshole. Calling her from an undisclosed location at 1AM with lots of women’s voices laughing in the background and telling her to “wear your highest heels and bring some cash” are the words and actions of the asshole women love.





Comments


  1. I misread the “call you at XX” for xx (as in “kisses”), and nearly hurled.

    Because it reminded me when I would end each text to my (now long gone) ex gf with xxx. Aghhh!!!!!

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  2. “wear your highest heels and bring some cash”

    awesome!

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  3. Alpha Assessment Text Game Edition.

    Great. My text game is weak so the tips are gold. Here’s a recent one from me with a 20yr old spanish HB8 I seemed to get my self LJBF’d from 2 months ago. I’ve been ignoring her since but she’s been texting out the blue.

    I get this on a Friday night when I’m clubbing.

    HB8: Blah blah blah [long random text]. How are you?
    Me: Oh, I’m good. Out drinking
    HB8: Really? I’m so jealous. blah blah. Where do you usually go out drinking?
    Me: Where? Somewhere with girls. I intend to get laid.
    HB8: Oh, ok… fair enough hahaha blah blah blah

    No more contact. I’m figuring what’s the point, I’ve already been LJBF’d. The next night:

    HB8: Was it ok yesterday? Yea, I’m completely bored. I was really thinking that living on my own was going to be more….fun? But it is boring boring boring….
    Me: Yeah, was good. Italian. Damn good.
    HB8: Oh good! blah blah…
    Me: Next time I’ll call her [HB8’s name]
    HB8: Ur disgusting… as all of u! Mmm I think she could not like it. I was not expecting u to be this kind of guy…..
    Me: I’m a horrible bastard
    HB8: hahaha that was funny. Mmmmm to me ur acting strange, everything ok, or you where pretending the when we used to meet?
    Me: Not ok, I have this Russian chick harassing me. I don’t shag communists
    HB8: Russian girl…. Italian… How many girls are u having at the bat-cave??? I don’t understand what u mean either the meaning of shag
    Me: Shag = fuck
    HB8: My dictionary doesn’t agree with it
    Me: Yeah
    HB8: Why are you so popular with girls? Usually guys have less chances… Girls don’t usually chase guys

    It goes on for a while. Follow-up is she keeps trying to invite herself out with me until I relent and take her to a good club during which she IOIs me all night, which I use to social proof and talk to other girls. Then I take her home.

    Not Roissy level text game, but the first baby-steps of improvement.

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  4. “(so what if she’s poor? plenty of poor girls manage to buy themselves shoes and handbags).”

    Good observation Roissy, but you missed a key point.

    Girls are natural shoplifters.

    That stylish little girl you meet at the lounge on Wednesday night?

    Chances are, she has larceny coursing through her veins.

    – MPM

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  5. Girls are natural shoplifters.

    So FFF’n true!

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  6. Case 1 and case 2 are being too cute.
    Same with last week, too much incongruent bragging. “I plan on being the center of attention so make sure you’re prepared.” Maybe Roissy should offer a lesson on how to properly brag or sound confident.

    I did like case 2’s phone bit and waiting until Wednesday. But, the next thing case 2 does is latch on. I would think that in order to justify all the attention she’s getting, you would have to pull off soul mate game (and at some point you’d have to at least kiss to pull that off) and not act like you are so happy to have a date for the first time in months.

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  7. Roissy,

    No need to read my previous post on the Thai ladyboy (“beautiful black woman”), I just want to let you know about a man with the Right Attitude, in Thailand:

    http://www.deanbarrettthailand.com/welcome_to.htm

    (Hint: old guy, whiskey and hookers, like your vision of your own retirement)

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  8. or if tis the lying dumb dyke, just smack her across her photoshopped face and carry her home. If you like ugly fat chicks, that is.

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  9. I’m the Chris from case 2….

    I posted that a few weeks ago, so here’s an update:

    Girl joins me at the wedding. Bitch actually meets me there because she “has to get up early in the morning” and “didn’t want to be out all night”. (It was a Sunday wedding, so the story is plausible, but lame regardless).

    Since I’ve already started to realize this isn’t going to go anywhere, I do the only thing I could do – ditch her all night.

    During cocktail hour, I bounce around to all the other people I knew at the wedding, and tossed back a few Captain & Cokes. Sat (obviously) during dinner and generally ignored her. Once the dancing started, I grab her arm to bring her out onto the floor. She refuses, saying she isn’t ready to dance yet.

    So, I promtly find out that one of the bride’s very cute bridemaids came alone (some B.S. about her boyfriend not drinking), and proceed to grind on her sweet ass all night. I later find out that I became the talk of the wedding because my date was sitting while I was dancing with some other chick all night.

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  10. Why this assumption?

    “Know this about girls: When they are interested in you, they will make the date happen… the fact is that she put you down nicely because you had not triggered a gina tingle.”

    Saying no at first doesn’t mean lack of interest. I’ve shied away from dates from some attractive, intelligent, interesting, accomplished, high-status men because I was intimidated by them.

    [editor: it doesn’t always mean lack of interest, but it’s the way to bet.]

    If you have a great personal connection and know the potential is there, it may make initial dating more difficult because of the depth and expectations.

    [this is an important point and it’s why i counsel men to avoid getting trapped into “good boyfriend material” territory where the girl sees you as a potential long term prospect. game quality girls and sluts equally and similarly. let the LTR considerations work itself out in due course.]

    The date may eventually happen or not if the woman is selective and also not as forward; the key is persistence on the man’s part.

    [persistence is a one way street to betatude. assertiveness is what men should strive for.]

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  11. @ Chris…

    When a girl tells you she isn’t ready to do something “yet” it means her buying temperature is too low and she wants you to escalate it before she dances/kisses/fucks/whatever.

    She saw you working the room all night, gaining SOCIAL PROOF. This probably confused her and EXCITED her… she wanted you to run a little bit of that nonchalant/asshole game on her to up her buying temperature before dancing.

    However, in this case I think you were already LJBF’d, so it might have been that there was nothing you could do.

    Just one interpretation.

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  12. chris was laying it on too thick and sending mixed messages. its likely to fatigue her and force her to scrap the relationship altogether.

    vickmackay sounded like he was writing a cover letter for a resume or something. too formal. the chivalry wasn’t the worst part; it was the lack of personality in the correspondence.

    biktopia’s email is interesting. it reminds me that a girl going home with you often turns into a big shit test. its the ultimate proving ground. she’ll jerk a guy around, teasing him, as she decides how far she wants to go. its up to the guys Game and only his Game to make something out of it.

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  13. Maybe it’s my beta side, but that sounds like a trainwreck, Chris. You burned the 7 and it doesn’t sound like the bridesmaid is going anywhere interesting (I think you would have said so if you made sexy time). Shouldn’t have made the girl a wedding date so soon.

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  14. Case 1: I’d say pass…I like to use the method of not answering texts back. I wouldn’t of responded to her rebuttal…

    Case 2: You started out alright. You lost it with the neediness.
    a. You didn’t even kiss close on your date? Beta
    b. Inviting her to a wedding? why? Beta
    c. Getting flaked on….it happens but it shouldn’t
    d. “Did you phone break for a day?” asking why she
    didn’t respond. Beta
    You started off with a semi alpha presence, but it definitely
    fell by the waste side.

    Case 3: Most cases this is true. I tell girls they are staying on the couch…I haven’t had a girl hold out in a long time.

    Case 4: This was weak but you could maybe manage to fuck this chick. I find it’s a wasted effort to ask a girl that day if she wants to go out that night. I am busy most days and it is rare that I am just going through my phone seeing who “might be around” to go out. I call vs text, and I say, “Hey, I have Thursday night off, let’s grab a drink at Cork!” and if they are busy, they have time to cancel their other plans. Giving a day 2-3 days away vs setting something up that day would increase you success rate. *Side note, if she says “Oh I can’t do it thursday, how about wednesday?” Even if your schedule is open, tell her you can’t. You have to think long term. She needs to realize how important your time is. Once she does, she will go out with you when she is “tired” I guarantee it.

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  15. @ askjoe:

    perhaps, but I was scrambling to find a date since the girl I was going to bring caused some drama and I didn’t want her to ruin my time.

    No, I did not bang the bridesmaid. We have mutual friends so I’m sure our paths will cross in the future – I have time on that one.

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  16. “coaxed a tingle”

    if we were to plot time you have known the woman on the x-axis (log scale) and threshold for tingle induction (lower is better) on the y-axis, what would the plot look like?

    y=x^2?

    y=x?

    how elusive does the coax become with time? what can be done to subvert this inflationary tingleginaceptor desensitization?

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  17. Brad, Chris wasn’t getting social proofed, he was pissing off his date. In this case, Chris misunderstood asshole game and was just an ass. He ignored her at a party where she knew no one. Not cool, delusions of grandeur.

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  18. on October 27, 2009 at 1:37 pm Rollo Tomassi

    Case #2
    “I’m at a friend’s wedding two weekends ago and I see a friend of the bride, who used to be fat, but has since lost a good amount of weight (and now looks decent, I’d say a 7).”

    Interesting dynamics are involved for formerly fat women. The body has changed, but the psychology takes time to adjust to it. Women accustomed to a lower degree of attention from men due to being less than physically desirable for a prolonged period (sometimes a lifetime) still tend to operate from the point of self-esteem they had when they were fat. Adjust Game accordingly for optimal results. Many post-fat women will tend to put a higher value on a guy’s attention who was previously out of her sphere of attraction.

    Also, be warned, precious few women have the perseverance and dedication necessary to permanently go from a fat 4 to a tight 8. More often than not this is a temporary state for them until they get comfortable in an LTR and slip back into old eating habits and a sedentary lifestyle. Caveat Emptor; my gym is full of pre-fat women on the up-cycle of this dynamic.

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  19. Great advice, Roissy. Great post.

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  20. These Alpha assessments really help me understand “Game.” I didn’t know that guys interacted with girls the way that some do.

    I think of myself as chivalrous but the “I’d like if you could come”? Ughh. That’s not chivalrous, that’s groveling. You imagine a knight in shinning armor behaving like that?

    My natural tendency would be to first give her a nickname. I can’t imagine not referring to a girl I liked by a nickname. Suppose S.’s name is Susan. She also loves to joke and prank. Then I’d call her Zanny, pronounced Zan-E.

    So, I don’t know about this text shit, but with words I would say “Zanny, Paul and I are getting beers at Mitch’s round 10”

    I don’t see the need to ask her to come. She will probably ask is she is invited, if not then I am sure they have chicks at the bar you are going to so, no loss.

    In anycase I don’t really see the point of thinking of her as smelly, tawrdy, etc. Or, of being an Asshole qua Asshole. Is there something asshole about not getting worked up about whether this one chick meets you at the bar. There are other women at the bar. That’s just reality.

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  21. @ askjoe

    She actually knew one other couple that was there, and spent most of her time with them.

    At the end of the night, I guess she finally had enough and came out to join me and danced some. At that point however, I had totally lost interest in her and just wanted to flirt with the bridesmaid.

    As far as me generally just being an asshole, that’s probably correct. I’m likely suffering from the Beta-learning-game early mistake, where I’m trying to hard to be an asshole and taming that will be learned in time. Also see my forced confidence from the earlier text message.

    Thinking back, I blew another opportunity this weekend. I’m winging for a friend at a local bar. Girl he had met over the summer texted him out of the blue and he wanted to try and re-kindle whatever potential there was. At one point, there’s a break in their conversation and I ask her if she’s joining us out for my friend’s birthday in two weeks. Somehow I get roped into guessing the girl’s birthday. After some thought I say “You seem really outgoing in a refreshing sort of way. Spring-like refreshment. So, I’m going to say you were born on April 13th”.

    Her birthday is April 12th. Out of respect for my friend, I didn’t try and pick up his target, but now I’m kicking myself for not doing it.

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  22. Chris,

    I don’t get why you didn’t hookup with the girl at the first wedding? You really can’t beat that setting.

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  23. on October 27, 2009 at 2:07 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’“That’s fine about Friday, but if you flake on me for the wedding you’re done.”””””””

    “Your gonna have to earn this wedding date drop by my house hopefully your lips aren’t tired ” would be asshole he he he

    Although to his credit chris sounds like he is having some fun anyway.

    ””””””””’This statement is contingently true. Her intent is 100% to go to bed with him, but execution of intent depends on his skill at affording her a plausible non-slut rationalization.””””””””””

    When ya use that and the woman laughs at the shit because she sees through it and brings some game of her own ya know your in.
    Otherwise yea if they actually still some home then again pretty much in but your gonna have to do the touching of her body that induces the gina to tingling past the point of no return.

    “””””’ Calling her from an undisclosed location at 1AM with lots of women’s voices laughing in the background and telling her to “wear your highest heels and bring some cash” are the words and actions of the asshole women love””””””’

    lol

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  24. on October 27, 2009 at 2:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ””’Her birthday is April 12th. Out of respect for my friend, I didn’t try and pick up his target, but now I’m kicking myself for not doing it.”””””

    But your not closing what you have. Close the chick from second wedding before feeling a need to fuck with your friends girl lol

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  25. @Krauser, props dude!

    Dreamer is full of shit, and I don’t believe her. Beta trap.

    Chris, some pointers:

    – no dinner dates ever again (until she’s rusty-tromboned you). meet only for drinks. 9 or 10PM

    – you can pay for drinks, but she has to buy a round. Run some proposition bets on her (search on youtube)

    – NO saturday night dates! Weekends are reserved for pickup or LTRs. Srsly.

    – did you show up 10-15min late for your date? You should have

    – what were these serious IOIs? I have had girls rubbing my cock with their feet on a first date. That is a serious IOI.

    – No Kiss Close = Permanently Abandon. At the end of the night, outside your car or her place or whatever, lean in for the kiss, or say “how bout a kiss?” (this works for me every time. only do it once tho). If you don’t get a hot, wet, passionate kiss, you’ve failed, and need to move on and get back to the lab. No kiss, or weak kiss = FAIL.

    – what kind of game did you run on her during the date? did you lean back? agree and amplify? bullshit answers? make fun of her? flirt with waitress? tell funny stories? “read other people” games? let us know

    – did you switch locations during your date? I bet not.

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  26. b. Inviting her to a wedding? why? Beta

    true indeed. taking a girl to a big event in the hopes of wooing her is classic beta. things like weddings should be reserved for seriousgirlfriends and friends who don’t mind you flirting with all the other single girls there.

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  27. on October 27, 2009 at 2:20 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’- what were these serious IOIs? I have had girls rubbing my cock with their feet on a first date. That is a serious IOI. ”””’

    I’d have to agree chief.

    Or them saying your gonna get some pussy tonight is pretty solid.

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  28. You know, I read those alpha assessments earlier when they were posted. I already had my take on them, but was curious as to what others’ take on them would be. For the most part, my initial understanding was spot on.

    Solid advice.

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  29. on October 27, 2009 at 2:28 pm gunslingergregi

    Got to have some respect for other men. I made the chick I am with tell her husband about me and I will be giving her back to him in better shape than when I got her. Chicks picking up second job so she can buy a house with cash and quit paying rent. Going to school plus will be saving for a business. Now she may be doing this to keep me but not gonna happen.

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  30. Chris, some pointers:

    – no dinner dates ever again (until she’s rusty-tromboned you). meet only for drinks. 9 or 10PM

    Noted.

    – you can pay for drinks, but she has to buy a round. Run some proposition bets on her (search on youtube)

    I’ll look that up.

    – NO saturday night dates! Weekends are reserved for pickup or LTRs. Srsly.

    What’s the thinking behind this? What if the work schedule doesn’t lend itself to weekday drinking? (not mine, hers).

    – did you show up 10-15min late for your date? You should have

    I was 10 min late, and she pulled up even later. Should I have driven around for another 10 min until she called asking where I was?

    – what were these serious IOIs? I have had girls rubbing my cock with their feet on a first date. That is a serious IOI.

    No, not that serious. Receptive to keno, talked about going out again, etc.

    – No Kiss Close = Permanently Abandon. At the end of the night, outside your car or her place or whatever, lean in for the kiss, or say “how bout a kiss?” (this works for me every time. only do it once tho). If you don’t get a hot, wet, passionate kiss, you’ve failed, and need to move on and get back to the lab. No kiss, or weak kiss = FAIL.

    Yeah, I’m a big pussy sometimes at this. The main thing I need to work on.

    – what kind of game did you run on her during the date? did you lean back? agree and amplify? bullshit answers? make fun of her? flirt with waitress? tell funny stories? “read other people” games? let us know

    Leaned back as much as possible. I’m trying to be very conscious of my posture, but I find myself forgetting sometimes. Made fun of her, told funny stories yes. Did not flirt with anyone else (goes back to dinner-date, a bar would have presented more opportunities).

    – did you switch locations during your date? I bet not.

    Yes. Italian place for dinner. Japanese place for desert/tea. My friend’s house at the end of the night.

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  31. on October 27, 2009 at 2:31 pm gunslingergregi

    But with that level of dedication she will be free in a few years. So yea that makes me feel good to have the ability to do that yet again.

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  32. I should also note that I’m not a total lost cause – I’m in a prolonged slump however.

    I’m 27. Have had 3 LTRs since 18 (2yrs, 1.5yrs, 9 mos). Slept with 7 women total, ranging from 4s to 7s.

    My biggest problem is weight – I’m 5’9″, 220 lbs. I’d be a very attractive guy if I was in shape (attractive younger-looking face, blond hair, blue eyes). I was bigger in the past, but that didn’t prevent me from LTRs or banging.

    Need game to score higher-quality women and more of them. That’s why I’m here.

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  33. do you have to say gina tingle so much?

    [editor: yes.]

    seriously it sounds like something a 4 year old would say

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  34. What’s the thinking behind this?

    The idea behind no Fri/Sat nite first dates is that you want her to know that your premium time is already booked. Sometimes it can’t be avoided so there is no need to be dogmatic about it, but the idea is that you don’t want ot make her think you have nothing else going on socially.

    My biggest problem is weight

    My buddy who is in his late 30s lost close to 50 pounds of fat over this past year year by doing cardio+weights and avoiding sugars/carbs.

    Have had 3 LTRs since

    That’s more than many guys. But did all three girls dump you? some guys think that you can drop game once you get a girlfriend. But LTR game needs to be played for life. But the good news is that it becomes as natural as breathing once you practice it over time.

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  35. When does Zunder write in on his problems bedding the neighborhood ewe?

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  36. My biggest problem is weight

    While I advocate physical fitness and feel a mild level of contempt for fat men, I’ll concede that some of the naturals I’ve known were fat guys. Not really soft/pudgy types — though I know one like that — but more often big-boned with large guts.

    So don’t let weight alone be an excuse.

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  37. Heh… the only time I’ve ever had a girl tell me she doesn’t do ONS or sleep with a guy the first time she meets him we ended up fucking in my buddies hot tub 30 minutes later

    In other words – I highly agree with Roissy that the instant the girl is talking about not sleeping with you she is thinking about sleeping with you.

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  38. if you’ve been running asshole game, and you don’t kiss her on the first date, that makes you look like an even bigger tool.

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  39. So don’t let weight alone be an excuse.

    I try to not let it be, but its tough. That’s why I need stronger game to counter-act. However, if I can drop some weight AND learn game, it can only hasten the process, no?

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  40. However, if I can drop some weight AND learn game, it can only hasten the process, no?

    Yes. Being fit and putting on some muscle is an inherently good thing. But also, weight lifting increases testosterone, so you’ll feel your confidence grow. Just don’t overdo on runing/cardio, which absent weight training can wussify you.

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  41. I’m 5′9″, 220 lbs

    that doesn’t tell us much. are you shoulders wider than your mid-section? do you have man-boobs? a huge gut? when evaluating your body the simplest method is to ask yourself, “do you want to take your shirt off around other people?”

    if not, i would advocate giving up women for the winter and spending every extra hour at the gym. maybe practice approaching girls randomly throughout the day; more for practice than result. a couple of months of solid commitment to working out and good diet and you will literally remake yourself.

    chances are the girls in your social circle see you as somewhat non-threatening. disappearing for a while and returning as the new and improved you might be just the thing you need.

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  42. Case #2 is sad, because this dude just obviously lacks in balls and tries to make up for it with game. He gives game a bad name.

    He is too big of a pussy to kiss her at the wedding or on the lame first date, but he thinks he can get away with ass hole text message game? This is using game in the completely wrong way.

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  43. For the record that last Joe wasn’t me. I like the term “gina tingle.”

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  44. And the lesson to be learned from #2 is that at some point game involves just lunging for it and going for the kiss/fuck/etc. This guy seems more interested in cute conversations and dates than actually fucking.

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  45. Joe

    do you have to say gina tingle so much?

    seriously it sounds like something a 4 year old would say

    kids today
    grow up
    so fast

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  46. “do you want to take your shirt off around other people?”

    Nope.

    if not, i would advocate giving up women for the winter and spending every extra hour at the gym.

    This is probably good advice. I’ve considered it, but spending six months in the gym without going out on the weekends seems like torture. Not the gym part – the not going out part. Plus, I can still practice while I’m getting in shape…

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  47. i like the term “gina tingle” as well. i have been tempted many times to ask roissy if he doesn’t think the term is a little harsh. it makes women’s motivations sound so base. after all, some times it’s not so much the “gina tingle” as the “heart flutter.”

    at a certain point, however, i realized the “gina tingle” and the “heart flutter” are exactly the same thing.

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  48. JR said: “at a certain point, however, i realized the “gina tingle” and the “heart flutter” are exactly the same thing.”

    So, so true. Ive started trying to subtly shame women over the age of 21 who use the term “butterflies” (As in, he gave me butterflies…). And it usually works. A snide remark about, “Right his Amex gave you butterflies” or “his abs meant he was Mr. Right” usually makes them go silent and gets a chuckle from everyone else. Note: I dont do this with girls Im gaming, but friends who need to be shamed.

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  49. “seriously it (gina tingle) sounds like something a 4 year old would say”

    Pupu finds “gina tingle” one of the most adorable phrases of the 21th century.

    Oh, tingle bells, tingle bells
    Tingle all the way
    Oh, what fun it is to ride
    In a one horse open sleigh

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  50. “My biggest problem is weight – I’m 5′9″, 220 lbs”

    Chris where do you live? I know some good places in my area if you wanna lose..

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  51. on October 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm Seeking Alpha

    Unrelated question – how do people here in relationships deal with jealousy?

    I’m incredibly jealous, or maybe suspicious is a better word. The second my fiancée mentions another man – a teacher, a boss, a co-worker, etc., my veins turn to ice and I’d feel better if he died.

    I don’t have any special reason to feel this way. She was a virgin when I started dating her (at 19) and I was her first serious boyfriend. She’s very friendly by nature and while it pisses me off, I’m confident its innocent.

    Also, what are people’s thoughts on male friends or her being at a place with a female friend where that friends male friends will be there? I’m no placating beta in this regard: in the past I’ve told her flat out no to any male friends and expressed my displeasure at the latter scenario. How do you balance jealousy (bad emotion) with being too permissive (bad signals)?

    Anyway, I’d really appreciate some advice from people in successful LTR/marriage. I adhere strongly to the Sixteenth Commandment – Don’t Be Afraid to Lose Her. I’m not. But I do fear the anger and frustration I would feel if I had to dump her because she was creeping.

    Thoughts? R – Would esp. appreciate your private thoughts on this if you wanted to reward a faithful and generally supportive commenter.

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  52. I like “gina tingle” when it describes a girl’s subjective state; ie., what I’m inferring she’s feeling. But in describing an observable sign of her arousal or attraction, I like to refer to her having bright or shiny eyes.

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  53. This is a great post, it helped me a lot in realized that I’ve fucked it up with a girl BIG TIME! I did everything the opposite of what’s here it’s actually hilarious! I’m laughing at myself hahaha!

    She sent me a nice message. First mistake: I replied. Second mistake: I replied some more when she didn’t. Third mistake: I asked her why she isn’t replying. Fourth mistake: I threw a fit and totally cussed her out! YES I KNOW!

    My question is now: what’s the best way to redeem myself? Let it go or should I ask her to wear her highest heels and meet me at a club with cash?

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  54. Agree with askjoe:

    “Chris wasn’t getting social proofed, he was pissing off his date. In this case, Chris misunderstood asshole game and was just an ass. He ignored her at a party where she knew no one. Not cool, delusions of grandeur.”

    Chris,

    One of the things I hate about the seduction community in general is the way it attracts socially retarded morons like you. You invited her to the wedding. She agreed to come. Yes, she may have LJBF’d you, but she isn’t going to give up an entire afternoon for someone she doesn’t at least like. Now she thinks you’re a dick, which you are. It would surprise me if she doesn’t cut off contact altogether.

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  55. Anonymous (Pupu…perhaps)

    Pupu finds “gina tingle” one of the most adorable phrases of the 21th century.

    I find “21th century” an yet more gleeful phrase.

    Your lisp is
    adorable

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  56. “However, if I can drop some weight AND learn game, it can only hasten the process, no?”

    Definitely. Being in shape is part of Game. An alpha male has great respect for himself, and being out of shape is incongruent with that quality.

    There is a reason that the out-of-shape PUA is the exception, not the rule, while in the general male population that is reversed. The ROI from being in shape is quite high. (Admittedly, I’m speaking as a naturally skinny guy who is an “easy gainer” of muscle with freeweights/protein, but I’d still put in the effort even if it were harder.)

    However, there is an episode of “The Pickup Artist” in which a fat dude and a guy with a model’s body face off — at a pool party. The fat dude won hands-down simply by being comfortable. Might be good for your confidence at present to watch that episode and see how attitude can trump appearance.

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  57. what are people’s thoughts on male friends

    Your wife shouldn’t have any male friends or be alone/talk with any male she is not related to. Even at a store or a restaurant, if a clerk or waiter approaches her, she should defer her response to you. You speak for the family unit.

    But she definitely should have girlfriends and be cool with your male buddies and her girlfriends’ husbands/boyfriends.

    You said that your fiancee is from a traditional Central Asian culture, so it should be easier for you to not have “past” or “baggage” to purge.

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  58. Chris, remember:

    Fat Chicks need lovin’, too.

    ‘Cept they gotta pay.

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  59. Chris,

    The few pounds you drop will only increase your confidence. Best way is to go primal.

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/

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  60. on October 27, 2009 at 3:54 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ PA

    or be alone/talk with any male she is not related to

    I don’t disagree with this but when it’s a boss or a classmate doing a project… what’s the right response?

    My instinct is to go caveman and make my feelings clear but isn’t jealousy a negative emotion? Too needy? Does an alpha care?

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  61. Seeking Alpha:

    Every guy is trying to fuck every girl who is even barely attractive. You are right about no male friends. Girls understand this deep down, though they will always act like they don’t.

    Sadly there are those in our society today who try to preach the opposite. They are the ones who have ruined marriage. If they win, which some like Roissy claim they are on the verge of doing, then marriage will no longer make sense for men.

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  62. I have noticed that chicks with multiple gay bffs (“fag hags”) are often especially not likely to be pissed off by manly behavior.

    Gay men’s sex drives are exactly the same as straight men’s (but turned opposite, obvo), and exposure to that widens a girl’s eyes as to what men are really like, and that the world isn’t just a big mysoginistic mindfuck as her lesbian opverlords have told her. That, combined with the fact that she is surrounded by mincing, girlish men makes her positively run towards a caveman approach.

    Of course, what roissy has written before is dead true: gay men seek to make women skanks and sleep around, but if you’re looking for an easy score from a decent looking slut, its not a bad place to start.

    Just don’t go to the gay bars, unless, of course, you’re Zunder, trying to get out of goathumping.

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  63. Chris Rock said it right:

    “You know what a male friend is to a woman? A dick in a glass case. Break in case of emergency.”

    Or Billy Crystal:

    “So the only women men can be friends with are ugly ones?”

    “No, you pretty much want to sleep with them, too.”

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  64. This is probably good advice. I’ve considered it, but spending six months in the gym without going out on the weekends seems like torture. Not the gym part – the not going out part.

    why is this? not to turn this into a lecture or anything, but at 27 some time away from the bar scene might not be such a bad thing. there was a point in my life where if i wasn’t out, i always felt like i was missing something. that was my inner beta. that feeling like you’re missing some unique opportunity by not going out every weekend comes from a scarcity mindset. start chatting up girls every day wherever. stop taking girls out, spend time with them watching movies. the whole ritual of going out to bars and running games can be a crutch preventing you from what you really need to work on: triggering attraction in women. if a girl digs you, she will easily pass up other more “exciting” plans to just sit on the couch with you.

    it shouldn’t take you six months. without seeing you, my guess is that you need 2-3 months to reduce the gut and the man boobs, and start getting some more definition in your shoulders and arms. depending where you live that should be enough to get you through the winter. think long term though. come next summer your goal should be to want to take your shirt off.

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  65. I don’t disagree with this but when it’s a boss or a classmate doing a project… what’s the right response?

    If she has to work outside of the home, it really is better that she not have a male boss. Male bosses who aren’t complete dorks give gina tinlges. Besides, do you want another man having authority over your woman?

    I don’t recomend going caveman jealous unless it’s a situation where you are about to punch a brazen interloper. Otherwise, don’t do jealousy; avoid any kind of emotional loss of control. Frame it in terms of setting ground rules.

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  66. Chris, remember:

    Fat Chicks need lovin’, too.

    ‘Cept they gotta pay.

    Fat Chicks are better than jerking off (mostly), but that’s about it. Plus, you can’t bring them around your friends.

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  67. Jegal, let it go. It’s much easier to find someone new rather than trying to manage some damage control situation. Why chase girls when you can replace girls…

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  68. I’m amazed that only one commenter noted Chris’ total beta failure not to get a kiss close on his date. I know it is difficult for most guys to believe — because they have been brainwashed their whole lives to fear women — but when a gal agrees to go on a date, she definitely wants lips to lock, maybe more. So long as the date goes reasonably well, give her a kiss. Not giving her a kiss equals LOSER in her brain and gina. If you don’t have the cajones to go for the kiss, then don’t go on the date.

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  69. A fat chick

    is nature’s way

    of saying:

    “Go on a diet, bitch!”

    Damn you, firepower.

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  70. Firepower,

    Pupu’s mind was on the tingle 1st and 4most.

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  71. on October 27, 2009 at 4:02 pm Seeking Alpha

    Besides, do you want another man having authority over your woman?

    Of course not. But what can I do? I do set limits which, in the end, she does follow. Very surprising for an upper middle class Jew. They’re usually the worst about being ‘strong’ and ‘independent’. It’s gotta be the Middle Eastern upbringing. But I want to be realistic about my ground rules so I don’t go too far and end up having to give in on something.

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  72. PA: “If she has to work outside of the home, it really is better that she not have a male boss. ”

    While I agree with this, this sadly just isnt 21st century real world advice.

    “Male bosses who aren’t complete dorks give gina tinlges. Besides, do you want another man having authority over your woman? ”

    Luckily, however, I don’t think this is true. Most women I know find their bosses to be strange old men.

    The key is to pay a shit-ton of attention to what she says and how she acts about work and be prepared to stomp out any possible situation. Ask questions and stay vigiliant about her work is the best answer.

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  73. it shouldn’t take you six months. without seeing you, my guess is that you need 2-3 months to reduce the gut and the man boobs, and start getting some more definition in your shoulders and arms. depending where you live that should be enough to get you through the winter. think long term though. come next summer your goal should be to want to take your shirt off.

    You have me pegged fairly well. I live in CT and have a free gym at work.

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  74. on October 27, 2009 at 4:06 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Madras

    The key is to pay a shit-ton of attention to what she says and how she acts about work and be prepared to stomp out any possible situation. Ask questions and stay vigiliant about her work is the best answer.

    Exactly, that’s what I try and do. I always try to pay attention to work, class, etc. and ask questions that don’t sound suspicious.

    PS If this thread is getting annoying, speak your mind. I think it’s a good related topic but I don’t want it to become some psychiatrists-couch, self-centered nonsense.

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  75. on October 27, 2009 at 4:08 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Chris – Where in CT?

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  76. on October 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””””””””’
    on October 27, 2009 at 3:45 pm Seeking Alpha
    Unrelated question – how do people here in relationships deal with jealousy?

    I’m incredibly jealous, or maybe suspicious is a better word. The second my fiancée mentions another man – a teacher, a boss, a co-worker, etc., my veins turn to ice and I’d feel better if he died.

    I don’t have any special reason to feel this way. She was a virgin when I started dating her (at 19) and I was her first serious boyfriend. She’s very friendly by nature and while it pisses me off, I’m confident its innocent.

    Also, what are people’s thoughts on male friends or her being at a place with a female friend where that friends male friends will be there? I’m no placating beta in this regard: in the past I’ve told her flat out no to any male friends and expressed my displeasure at the latter scenario. How do you balance jealousy (bad emotion) with being too permissive (bad signals)?

    Anyway, I’d really appreciate some advice from people in successful LTR/marriage. I adhere strongly to the Sixteenth Commandment – Don’t Be Afraid to Lose Her. I’m not. But I do fear the anger and frustration I would feel if I had to dump her because she was creeping.

    Thoughts? R – Would esp. appreciate your private thoughts on this if you wanted to reward a faithful and generally supportive commenter.
    ”””””””””””””””’

    Something bad has happened. She may not be the one for you.

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  77. Seeking Alpha: Also, the follow up to that is try to meet the people she works with/goes to school with. You will be able to tell if there is a problem.

    If there is a problem, bring it up in a straight forward manner, right away: “XXXX is trying to fuck you, stop hanging around him.” This may not be the smoothest game in the world, but its what is needed in LTR’s. It will ruin her slut defenses. She doesnt want to be the cheating wife and the minute you bring the issue to the surface you will (likely) blow his game out of the water if she is at all still into you.

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  78. on October 27, 2009 at 4:13 pm Steve Johnson

    Re case #3, I’ve found that if a woman calls me an arrogant jerk, I’m in.

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  79. on October 27, 2009 at 4:13 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Madras

    Seeking Alpha: Also, the follow up to that is try to meet the people she works with/goes to school with. You will be able to tell if there is a problem.

    This actually sounds like a great suggestion to me. Thanks.

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  80. @gunslingergregi

    I disagree with that. In a LTR, jealousy is a normal feeling. Something bad MAY have happened…no one should ever discount that…but from what he said there is no reason to know this for sure.

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  81. Need advice!

    Context: got a BJ from tis chick last week. played a little phone tag today. She called me back, I didn’t answer. Then this text conversation:

    Me: You’re coming with me to a haunted house in the city Friday night

    (30 minutes later)

    Her: ooh i like how ur telling me instead of asking, that’s sexy. haha. BUT…i’m supposed to go to a friend’s bday event on Fri.

    My default response has been silence, but I’ve considered

    Me: Lame
    Me: cool story
    ME: So thursday’s good then? Great, you can buy me a drink beforehand

    thanks

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  82. on October 27, 2009 at 4:17 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’Madras
    PA: “If she has to work outside of the home, it really is better that she not have a male boss. ”

    While I agree with this, this sadly just isnt 21st century real world advice.

    “Male bosses who aren’t complete dorks give gina tinlges. Besides, do you want another man having authority over your woman? ”

    Luckily, however, I don’t think this is true. Most women I know find their bosses to be strange old men.

    The key is to pay a shit-ton of attention to what she says and how she acts about work and be prepared to stomp out any possible situation. Ask questions and stay vigiliant about her work is the best answer.
    ”””””””””””””’
    Madras are you serious dude. Male bosses strange old men yea ok thats what they tell you lol

    Stay vigilant so you don’t have to worry about her cheating where is your quality of life.

    ”””’While I agree with this, this sadly just isnt 21st century real world advice. ””””””’

    Why not? You can’t get your woman a business to run jesus resignation to 21st century real world. What has actually changed from 100 years ago to now?

    Seeking really should be in a good position to be able to get his woman something to do business wise since he is making decent money supposedly.

    Buy her a subway to play with for a 130k.

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  83. on October 27, 2009 at 4:19 pm Seeking Alpha

    Seeking really should be in a good position to be able to get his woman something to do business wise since he is making decent money supposedly.

    23 kid. Gotta buy a house first. But yea, that’s definitely the long-term solution. Although I think tutoring business or pre-school is a bit more appropriate for a teacher than Subway

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  84. gunslingergregi: “Madras are you serious dude. Male bosses strange old men yea ok thats what they tell you lol”

    So wait, America is supposedly filled with betas, but some how every male boss breaks that mold?

    And I agree with you about setting her up with a business if this is done easily. For most people, having her actually make money at another business and staying vigilant is easier.

    I really dont think you can defend the transaction cost of having her start a BS business just so she doesnt have a male boss.

    All this said, the answer is not to get married.

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  85. on October 27, 2009 at 4:23 pm Seeking Alpha

    All this said, the answer is not to get married.

    Not for the empire alpha. A pre-nup with a fidelity clause, a good trust lawyer and a good PI if necessary keeps the potential costs of a divorce low.

    But if you want to have kids and be a well-respected member of society, you gotta take that leap.

    Definitely agree for someone with no great ambitions though. The life of the prepetual bachelor is extremely appealing. I just can’t imagine ever trying to straddle the line.

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  86. Seeking Alpha: I understand the kid part. That one really tears at me. But the well-respected member of society thing is quickly, quickly changing.

    I’m 27 and live in the same city as Roissy. I know people who work in some very respected fields. The onyl married people I know are over 35 or super religous. Marriage is fading out in the coastal cities and this will spread.

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  87. on October 27, 2009 at 4:30 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Madras – Good point. I think it is very dependent on industry. Fashion, media, politics – the ‘liberal’ ones – you’re probably right. In fact a marriage probably hinders a career. Finance (not the order takers at the banks, but the side that controls the wealth) is definitely in the other camp. Every partner at my company is married with kids.

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  88. on October 27, 2009 at 4:30 pm gunslingergregi

    Well woman like it when work is easy and being the boss puts you in a position to make that happen.

    Or spending more time than they spend with their husband and the person giving them the money can have an impact.

    Even my dad had the secratary pull out the tits and she was married.

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  89. #2:
    You’re too controlling and jerkish without being amusing and fun, the ratio of asshole is off. If you’re going to order around someone you don’t know well attitude is key, and that attitude isn’t boorish or condescending.

    #4:
    ignore Roissy, punctuation is god.

    ***
    Generally, if a girl is going home to sleep with you then yes sex is on her mind. She either wants to be persuaded, or she’s hoping the trend continues so she can sleep with you the 3rd time she sleeps over (or whatever her internal clock is.)

    seeking alpha I’ll say this, based on my gfs behavior (and my own habits): it’s the men that your lady tries to avoid bring you around that you need to worry about. Those are the ones who are either open about their intentions towards her (sex) or that she could conceivably imagine sleeping with. I wouldn’t worry much unless you see some resistance to you meeting or interacting with a male friend of hers. Note, though, that those are probably also the men she doesn’t mention to you.

    Most likely, though, she herself will avoid spending too much time with those types of guys, based on what you’re saying about her.

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  90. You have me pegged fairly well.

    that’s cause i been down that road, brother. the other thing that clues me in is that this girl is a former fatty. if she had any significant level of attraction for you, she’d be making it very easy for you. chances are she’s using you for some attention whoring to make her feel validated about her new body. and chances are, in general, girls like you, but tend to think of you as some cute, cuddly, harmless guy who can be fun to hang out with.

    female “interest” comes in a variety of forms. it ranges from “i want you to make me feel good about myself” to “i want you to entertain me and buy me drinks” to “i want you inside of me.” if you’re not used to it, it can be very difficult to tell the latter from all the others. my other piece of advice is to start watching how girls react to guys they’re attracted to. watching guys with game may not necessarily give you great game, but it will help you recognize women’s reacitons. that way you’ll know how your game is working. and knowing is half the battle.

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  91. Firepower,
    “Anonymous (Pupu…perhaps)”

    Something like “21th Century” should have eliminated any reasonable doubt about the authenticity of the authorship!

    Proudly, the one and only
    Pupu

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  92. on October 27, 2009 at 5:09 pm Biting Beaver

    It’s like two quarter-pound stools of alien space shit crashed into a toxic waste dumpster in Adams Morgan, DC, fucked, and out came their mutilated, blood-soaked carcass of a baby rat-child, RoSIE.

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  93. ARM, silence seems best, btu I would wait for Roissy to weigh in.

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  94. ARM

    Advice? Give a thank-offering to the God of BJs and move on.

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  95. well, after the hookup, i left for work. she cleaned up my apt a bit (and left the cab money on the counter i had left) and left me a hand written note of affection (i.e. call me i had so much fun). so she’s interested, it’s just a matter of getting her to go out with me again. now, she didn’t flake, but just wasn’t available or willing to go out friday. i could suggest an alternative day, but run the risk of looking needy. How would the great Roissy handle a date rejection/excuse when the woman presents no alternative date?

    [editor: you text back: “no prob. maybe another time.” her excuse was as likely true as not, so what are you gonna do, be an asshole to a girl who has other plans? remember, it’s nothing to you, you got options. if she doesn’t make a counteroffer her feelings for you aren’t that strong. wait a couple weeks, then text her again when you’re already out and tell her to swing by for a few minutes to catch up.

    the other option, if you don’t want to play it straight, is to drop a little c&f and see where it leads. this is where you’re “lame” response could work, but only if you spice it up with some teasing: “lame. next round’s on you.”

    btw, i don’t like the “cool story” reply, because it presumes that she was fibbing to get out of seeing you, which is a DLV by you.

    one more thing i noticed. why did she text “birthday event” instead of the normal “birthday party”? interesting choice of words. is it because using the word “party” puts more pressure on her to invite you to it?]

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  96. “Your wife shouldn’t have any male friends or be alone/talk with any male she is not related to.”

    Are you from Saudi Arabia? What about doctors? What about your kids’ male teachers (or school principal)? How is this supposed to work outside of Gor?

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  97. “I have noticed that chicks with multiple gay bffs (“fag hags”) are often especially not likely to be pissed off by manly behavior.”

    I had a girlfriend who was a hardcore feminist activist and a raging fag hag. During sex, she wanted me to beat the living shit out of her.

    I have fond memories of that relationship.

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  98. on October 27, 2009 at 5:21 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Cliff – I think it’s more a goal than a hard and fast rule.

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  99. Fred, the gravest threats to feminist philosophy are the sexual fantasies of women everywhere.

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  100. ARM, she’s trying to make you either invite yourself along, schedule another date, or try a work around. All are lose-lose-lose in my mind, as they are all shit tests.

    If she wanted, she could easily invite you along or schedule another day or after the party. That she didn’t shows she’s playing the cock-tease game very well.

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  101. @ Seeking Alpha,

    But it’s a pretty stupid goal that probably incites more adulterous thoughts (and acts) than it prevents.

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  102. ARm, wait a week and, if she doesn’t text/call you before then, text her one last time to meet up that night for a drink. But don’t ask. Say, “Heading to X for a drink” or soemthing like that. Let her try to pull an invite out of you. Make sure its a weeknight.

    If she weasels for an invitation, she’s in. But make her pay for all her drinks that night. If she doesn’t text or call, delete number.

    By doing so, you’ve let her know you’ve downgraded her from weekend-fun date to flaky weeknight drunk fling. She’ll be upset if interested and come running for your cock.

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  103. haunted house? seriously? that’s the best next-meet you could think of ?

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  104. Lurker, I definitely agree with your assessment. She’s a full blown tease – in the sheets too. She may or may not have blue balled me when we hooked up, but we were so hammered i don’t remember and i doubt she does. It almost makes me want to respond with

    “no worries, I found someone else to go. enjoy the bday party”

    might be too spiteful or weird coming this late, but how do you counter such a tease? jealousy

    wouldn’t normally care but she’s a solid 21 year old 8, with the body of a 9. wanted to crack this one

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  105. on October 27, 2009 at 5:40 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””’Cliff Arroyo
    @ Seeking Alpha,

    But it’s a pretty stupid goal that probably incites more adulterous thoughts (and acts) than it prevents.
    ””””’

    Thats what the feminists would say.

    If ya really want to test her though set her up and let her go for 5 years on her own in a ltr long distance relationship with you. Then give her all your money and hope she sends a plane ticket he he he

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  106. Lurker,

    i like that strategy. in fact, she shaded out earlier in the summer and i basically did exactly that after not speaking for a week or so. she met me at a bar and we hooked up. my problem was that after the hookup i called the next day. i failed a monster shit test there.

    Maurice,

    I know it sounds odd but the one in Chicago I’m referring to is a lot of fun if you get drunk before hand and a lot of young people turn out. hell of a lot better than a dinner date or some other BS.

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  107. you got a bj from her and she blue balled you? what? and she’s a tease? Hint: teases don’t give you bjs, unless it’s for 30 seconds and then they suddenly have to “go home.”

    kids these days are spoiled.

    also, assuming you don’t scream or cower more than she does, at least a haunted house gets her clinging to you and not wanting to sleep alone. (assuming it’s scary a la paranormal activity, and not the haunted house my mom put on.)

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  108. Everyone on here who advocates babysitting your woman and keeping tabs on her work life and every man in her orbit is a fucking pussy.

    You shouldn’t have a serious relationship with a woman who has a 9-5 in the first place. Being a career woman is the antithesis of decent, womanly virtue. We do not want them for relationships, and we hope they die poor and lonely.

    That being said, if you have the type of woman who you need to monitor, either because of her natural susceptibility to male attention, or because she works in an office and is getting rammed by the boss, you’re doing it wrong.

    Anyone who says “expecting a woman to stay at home and not have male friends is unrealistic in the 21st century” should just hang up his hat. If you STILL want a relationship in this day and age, but are okay with your woman being the typical career grrrl, flirtatious office slut, etc., then you’ve lost before you even started playing.

    Those who think they will be able to craft some iron-glad prenup and maneuver their way out of any future marital problems are fooling themselves. There is absolutely no reason to get married, unless you somehow need to wife your girl to get her into the country. Even then I would counsel against it. I worked for a divorce court judge my 1L summer…you are not saving your ass at all if/when shit hits the fan. No smarty-pants prenup is going to give you the protection you would want.

    The overall point being…if you have to take all of these precautions and engage in this self-defeating, undermining behavior (neurotically worrying about your career grrrl, worrying about a prenup rather than not getting married in the first place, etc.), you’re not approaching a relationship from the point of confidence and dominance you’d need to succeed as this mythical “empire-builder alpha.”

    Women know that male friends just want to fuck them…women know all men want to fuck them. Any girl with male friends is not LTR material. Any girl who is alone with men for extended periods of time is not LTR material. No amount of rationalization of your being stuck with a massive-clitted career grrrl with whom you are enamored is going to change this. Rather than attempt to ignore or smooth over these obvious red flags, just find a new fucking woman, or better yet, don’t get married.

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  109. on October 27, 2009 at 5:52 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ T-1000

    You shouldn’t have a serious relationship with a woman who has a 9-5 in the first place.

    A teacher?

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  110. lurker says:
    “Gay men’s sex drives are exactly the same as straight men’s ”

    ~

    Well well lurker – it behoves me to wonder how you would know this information. First hand experience?

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  111. Just observing your efforts with the goats there, sheepfucker.

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  112. ps, you really shouldn’t leave yourself that wide open. Sheep don’t like their inbred brainless hillbillies like you that easy.

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  113. pps isn’t it weird a gay sheepfucker like Zunder seems to have Kevin Spacey, Mr. In-the-Closet himself, as his avatar?

    I’m just sayin’.

    ARM, scroll up, roissy gave his answer for you by editing your post. Always follow his plan.

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  114. Teacher would be my one exception, but I would limit it to kindergarten or elementary school. Even then, she doesn’t have to do it full time.

    Women who get a kick out of being around horny high schoolers all the time, I don’t trust. That shit is just weird. When girls tell me “I want to be a high school teacher,” I think of Mary Kay Letourneau and walk in the opposite direction.

    If you are realistically making anything like a decent salary, you should be able to have your woman not work. I know even solidly middle-class people whose wives don’t work. They don’t live high off the hog, but they are comfortable enough. If she’s desperate to work, there are plenty of part-time positions in schools. Every teacher’s aide or paraprofessional I can recall from my elementary school days was a housewife whose husband made bank. If you’re shooting to be an “empire builder,” your wife should be at home having and raising children for years anyway, not trying to be a schoolmarm.

    That being said, there are a lot of creeper beta types in the ranks of male teachers. My mother was a school paraprofessional after we kids were in school full time, and to hear her tell it, female teachers do cheat with their co-workers. The last thing you want is to be power-tripping it away at your well-paid job while your wife gets her ass waxed by a “sensitive, intellectual” male teacher because you are always so fucking busy. Women will always find a way to rationalize fucking you over…if you’re a beta, they will ditch you for a more overt alpha. If you’re a distant (by virtue of work/achievements) alpha, while less likely, you might find yourself cuckolded by a fucking herb. After kids/marriage women start salivating for attention and “companionship” in a different form than the hard alpha cocks they enjoyed throughout their 20s.

    All things being equal, just don’t get married.

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  115. on October 27, 2009 at 6:12 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ T-1000

    Appreciate the comments, if not the tone.

    If you’re shooting to be an “empire builder,” your wife should be at home having and raising children for years anyway, not trying to be a schoolmarm.

    Agreed. That’s the plan that her and I are both on. But when you’re 23 and don’t plan on having kids for another four or five years (young by modern, well-off standards), it’s both unfair, and frankly more dangerous from an environmental perspective, to expect her to sit on her ass all day.

    If this was 50 years ago, we’d probably already be married with a kid or two and this wouldn’t be a problem. But it’s today, and even an old-fashioned guy has to make concessions to a modern world.

    I’m curious if you disagree that:

    -> Until the kids come, there aren’t many options better than a teacher if she has to work and…
    -> There are zero wealthy, successful men (in non-entertainment industries) with kids and a ‘babys momma’

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  116. on October 27, 2009 at 6:12 pm gunslingergregi

    T-1000 just came out the fucking booth.

    He tore the door off the booth and beat a duck to death with it. Jesus.

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  117. goats or sheep, make your fuckn mind up.

    ~

    I number closed on a girl Sunday night, right after a fat sow (who spent the whole night texting her beta boyfriend at home with their kid, while she was out on the booze) had told me that I had no chance with her girlfriend (whom I have met previoulsy a number of times in social settings).

    So, using my new found “roissy-fed confidence”, I walked right up to another woman at the bar (that I had previously spent less than 5 minutes talking to), in line of sight of the fat sow and her friend (the one I supposedly had no chance with) and got the woman’s number (she put her digits in my cell) and lightly tapped her on the arse and said I have to leave. (No “I will call you” or any of that shit – I just left).

    Walked back, fat girls mouth was agape, and girlfriend (the one I had “no chance” with) looks at me with a stony solemn look on her face.

    Last night: The fat girls “friend” that I supposedly had no chance with, adds me as a friend on facebook, despite her seeing me number close another girl right in front of her face.

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  118. on October 27, 2009 at 6:15 pm Seeking Alpha

    Yea, I gotta go – I’ll check back later tonight – but way to comment T-1000. You should throw your opinions out here more often. Good stuff – even if its a bit confrontational.

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  119. I am in hell…HELL I say! I’m just gonna jump now and save myself the time of being treated like shit for no good reason.

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  120. My avatar is Tony Soprano.

    Jeezuz, what a fuckwit you are, lurker.

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  121. zunder right after a fat sow (who spent the whole night texting her beta boyfriend at home with their kid, while she was out on the booze)

    Looks like the heavy woman missed her kid and boyfriend. A good thing.

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  122. context:

    number closed a german exchange student on the train after 10 minutes on a thursday. she called me twice that weekend and i never responded because my phone broke (true story)

    i call her on tuesday to hang out thursday. she agrees. i flaked. i make plans with her to hang out sunday i flake again.
    note: my flakes are not intentional ( i am a journalist and i get called to cover stories as they are happening)

    i hang out next thursday at the bar with her, she comes back to my place, we fuck around, make out etc, but no fuck close. i wasn’t tripping, i know it will happen eventually.

    i text her saturday morning to make plans for sunday afternoon
    ME: ” hey, im going out to the city for tapas tomorrow. you should join”

    she responds within one hour

    HER: “Tomorrow is big city day for me, west fest you know”. going to hang in the east today, but thanks for inviting”

    I dont respond, of course, I have learned my lesson via roissy he.

    So what is my next move ?

    I want to hang with her Thursday, today is Tuesday. But… as I was reading above, you might want to give a girl time to change plans. Should I just text her and say ” lets have drinks thursday night” ? and if i do when is best, strategically ?

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  123. Ah, no – she (the fatty) had already “confessed” to me in as many words that she was out on the “lookout”. OK she may have been joking when she said to me”Who says he is my man”? (in answer to my question “Your man lets you out while he stays at home”) ………….. still, what a fuckn cunt, a fat fucking cunt at that – whom duly got pissed off when she I told her that her cellphone should be transplanted onto her hand. lol stupid fat fucking whore.

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  124. Anyway – when the fatty realised I had no ambition to remotely continue any conversation with her fat arse, she duly did her best to “cock-block”me from her friend – whom, by the way, I am not even that interested in.

    What happened, is the friend, being a bit tipsy, almost fell onto my lap, and I put my arms out to stop her from knocking over my beer (I am very protective of my beer – at $6 a int you would be too) ….and this is when fat sow (maybe mistakenly thinking I had my arms out towards her friend in some sort of romantic gesture) came out with the line “oh, you have no chance with her”.

    stupid cunts. but I had the last laugh. not that they were even worth getting one over on – but I can hold my head high next time I got to that place for a few beers.

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  125. me: no prob, maybe another time.
    her: most definitely another time 🙂

    hmm, wait and try a more casual/impromptu encounter I will.

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  126. on October 27, 2009 at 6:36 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””anoukange
    I am in hell…HELL I say! I’m just gonna jump now and save myself the time of being treated like shit for no good reason.
    ””””””””””””’

    Welcome to the real world. You can move past the treated like shit part though. Just have to move past the needing anyone for anything.

    Takes a lot of guts to off yourself though I stood on the ledge 2 years couldn’t do it.

    Maybe get in the pit and try to love someone.

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  127. $6 a pint, that is.

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  128. -> Until the kids come, there aren’t many options better than a teacher if she has to work and…

    Agreed, if she must work. Going the empire-builder route is very contrarian to begin with, these days. You (and your woman) really have to be of a special character to pull that off. I would argue that you might as well live like it was 1959…make your own reality. As you’re attempting to re-take your own corner of the universe from the postfeminism-plagued society and will need to insulate yourselves from the “values” of today, you might as well start now. A few years spent working, especially in teaching (which is no real bastion of family-oriented conservatism), could be as corrupting as it might be helpful for her.

    The psychology of the “empire-builder” is deeply tied into the old provider stereotype. If we look at the successful model of old, so much of the drive of these guys was to provide for their wife and young children. The ultimate success of those who reached the pinnacle as due as much to their need to work hard and provide for their young families as much as it was due to their own gumption. Having what would be considered an “abnormally young” married life with a kid in 2009 could be just the spark of motivation for that rare person to go out and achieve. This would, of course, require his wife to be a model of pre-feminist virtue, being dutiful and maintaining the home and caring for the kids. A tall order for today’s woman. The average married man with kids has much a much greater net worth than the average single man of the same age, mostly due to necessity. This was a model for economic bliss and national success 50 years ago, but upending the traditional gender roles that once made it possible has destroyed this option for almost all young men today.

    -> There are zero wealthy, successful men (in non-entertainment industries) with kids and a ‘babys momma’

    We are only so attuned to the lifestyles of people in the entertainment industry because they are the subject of so much media coverage. People neither know nor care what the true personal life of John Q. Chief Executive is like. While many of these men do have (at least in public) exemplary and traditional family lives, we ought not to drink the cool-aid. I am sure they are just as interesting and varied in their relations as the rest of us, although more discreet. I can think of several captains of industry who are twice or thrice divorced off the top of my head. The ones who are known for being “happily married family men for the past 30 years” are singled out for this…probably because they are in reality the exception rather than the rule. Even then, it’s the wives who are the decent ones and have stuck around. In our society, it is women who make or break a marriage, unfortunately. Finally, let’s remember than nearly all of these men are at least a generation older than we are…a lot has changed in the relationship landscape since then.

    If having a picture-perfect traditional family is necessary for you, no one is saying you can’t have all the trappings of that life–living together, kids, even wedding rings and shit–without being legally bound to divvy up half of your possessions should things turn sour. You don’t have to pronounce to your social circle of aspiring execs and entrepreneurs that you are, in reality, unmarried. No stigma (it’s not really a stigma these days) if you don’t force the knowledge upon everyone.

    I’ll wrap up by saying that this whole “provider game” and empire-builder thing probably won’t work….as much as we would like to. There’s a reason it’s not done much anymore. As much as we might like to pull it off, no one man can be assured of combating the corrupting, insidious forces of the feminists and the equalist scum. Better to just protect yourself and cut your losses.

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  129. on October 27, 2009 at 6:46 pm gunslingergregi

    This is for the questions that don’t have any answers:
    Get some homies in the county on cell block 6.

    Or maybe even if my collar bones crushed or crumbled I will never stumble.

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  130. Zunder the dunder:

    “goats or sheep, make your fuckn mind up.”
    —Well, you keep switching between the two, its your fault, bleat-lover.

    ~

    “I number closed on a girl Sunday night,”
    —-translation: sent spitballs at ehr and ran away when she tried to talk to me.

    “So, using my new found “roissy-fed confidence”, ”
    —translation: jacked off in a sheep’s carcass.

    “I walked right up to another woman at the bar”
    —welll He *thought* it was a woman…

    lol Zunder, baby. Stick to the farm crew and not knowing anything about world affairs, Rush Limbaugh, or GWB.

    Ignorant fuckwits like Zunder=the savior of marxism everywhere.

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  131. Lurker – don’t call me “baby” you faggot.
    Reserve that term of endearment for your live in Rentboy.

    how does it feel that the Alpha presidents of the last 35 years, have all been Deomcrats? (with one exception, Reagan).

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  132. Ah, nothing like chicy fuckface to add her two cents to let you knwo the thread is over and she’s here with her stupid lying whorish thoughts.

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  133. hi I suck cock and take it up the ass from men (but only like hot young muscular guys) does that make me a beta?

    I also sleep with women and don’t think of myself as gay btw so I dunno (I don’t do anything other than sex with guys)

    even if you’re gay does that mean you’re beta
    thx

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  134. “Lurker – don’t call me “baby””
    —sorry, baby, I don’t swing that way. But baby, don’t get upset; I’m sure your billy goat will treat you good tonight.

    “how does it feel that the Alpha presidents of the last 35 years, have all been Deomcrats? (with one exception, Reagan).”
    —lol. What a maroon.

    Carter=beta pussy
    Reagan=Alpha
    Bush 41=fighter pilot/head of CIA/winner of Gulf war=alpha
    Clinton=alpha, no argument here.
    GWB=Alpha (per Roissy himself)
    Nobama=beta pussy—you could spit in his face and he would shrivel like a Zunder when confronted with a challenge.
    So, in other words, in 35 years, only 1 democrat president has been alpha, the other two mincing pussies, and 3 alpha Republicans.

    You lose, baby. lol.

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  135. Beachboy > lurker – I think you two should meet.

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  136. Zunder baby, projection ain’t just for a movie theater.

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  137. That site of Dean Barrett’s, linked above, is damned funny. Some really good stuff there:

    “Marc is always good company. And I thank Marc for this tip: When a girl in a bar (or elsewhere) asks what it is you do or are, just tell her you are a wiraburut hongnorn (“Hero of the Bedroom”). “

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  138. “wiraburut hongnorn”

    —that would excite Zunder; it sounds like a type of longhorned sheep. And you know he likes the Loooong horns.

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  139. GWB, was a draft dodging pussy, whom let a bunch of arabs fly planes into one of his biggest cities.

    GB senior, was a pussy whom didn’t finish off Saddam when he had the chance.

    I will leave it there, as it is time to re-respect Roissy’s wish for this not to turn into the Zunder – lurker show.

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  140. GWb did not dodge the draft. FAIL.

    GB senior kicked as in WW2, internationally in covert ops, and beat Saddam in the field.

    Its the Lurker’s Spectacular ASS-Kicking of a SheepFucking Pussy-Show, get it right baby.

    Now go back to fantasy land,

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  141. baby.

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  142. Zunder, baby:

    “whom let a bunch of arabs fly planes into one of his biggest cities.”
    —Ah, now we see how far this bestiality-loving inbred is: he’s a 9/11 Troofer!

    lol, baby.

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  143. LOL, lurker. Just admit you are gay, baby. LOL

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  144. Zunder the dunder baby:

    Please tell us more of you fascinating 9/11 Troofer theories. And your adventures in animal land…

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  145. Zunder….oh zunder…..lol sheepfucker.

    Zunder=pussy.

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  146. Idiot.

    His incompetent beta presidential style, allowed a bunch of arabs to infiltrate the most powerful country in the world’s defense systems and fly planes itno the twin towers, and the fucking pentagon – the bastion of US military power. IE – no “troof” theory at all – it was the arabs alright, and it happened on Dubbya’s watch!

    An incompetent, draft dodging beta fool for a president.

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  147. lol Sheepfucker. Let’s unpack this illogical mess:

    “His incompetent beta presidential style,”
    –kicking ass in 2 wars despite international pussyfooting, laying the hammer on Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran, and putting missle defense in Eastern Europe?

    Alpha, bitch.

    “allowed a bunch of arabs to infiltrate the most powerful country in the world’s defense systems and fly planes itno the twin towers”
    —lol. allowed. 9/11 troofer….btw, the groundwork for 9/11 was layed during the Clinton years, and Clinton did nothing…guess he’s a beta too, then.

    Or it was a sneak attack.

    “draft dodging”
    —Nope. Wrong again, Sheepfucker. FAIL.

    lol baby. How does it feel to be wrong 24-7? Do the sheep even bother correctign you?

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  148. Zunder…oh zunder…where’d you go, baby?

    lol.

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  149. T-1000

    I’ll wrap up by saying that this whole “provider game” and empire-builder thing probably won’t work….as much as we would like to. There’s a reason it’s not done much anymore.

    Do you have any evidence for this?

    Men are still going to business, law and medical schools, still become fast rising executives and BigLaw partners and surgeons, and are still getting married. Because there are more girls going this route (though many drop out to less demanding but related career paths after awhile if not to begin with post grad school) than ever before, there is more demand from them as well as from other and maybe hotter girls for men going this route.

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  150. lol, lurker oh lurker baby, just admit you are GAY, and take your ‘Beachboy” and go home.
    lol
    baby

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  151. Regarding Friday and Saturday nights:

    A woman wants a man with options. Taking her out on a weekend night shows that she is your best (or only) option. I went out with a girl a sat night once and she said “i was glad when you were free on a saturday, cuz it meant you weren’t seeing anyone else” (so it’s not a bad idea if she is already serious about you – but best to leave for several dates in).

    If she’s remotely interested, she’ll find time Sunday-Thursday. Wouldn’t you?

    Regarding showing up late:

    Aim for 15 minutes. it’s not rude. if she’s even later, you can’t do much about it, but she’s fuckin’ with you. you need Game++ for that one.

    Regarding kiss:

    Don’t do it if you haven’t gotten any good IOIs (arm touch, gazing, compliments, sitting close, hand on lap), but do it if there’s a 50% chance of a good reception.

    Regarding body language, the important thing to work on is your mindset. Tell yourself she is a sneaky, stinky girl, and you are better than her. Your body language will follow along. But, also good to fake it til you make it.

    Regarding your weight, I empathize. I could lose a few pounds. Try to avoid all processed food. Cook at home 95% of meals. Pack a lunch. Meat and veg only (no carrots, beets, corn, potato/rice). As much veg as you want. Protein shakes with psyllium husk (for fibre). Fruit smoothie in the AM. Take omega 3s

    Regarding the gym, women get turned on by big shoulders (70% waist to shoulder ratio), big pecs, and a 90% waist to butt ratio. So, focus on shoulders, pecs, and squats. 3 sets of 10 (first is warmup at half weight), 2 exercises per muscle group, every other day. Try to get up to a 5k run every other day. avoid drinking booze on day of workout. get a good sleep on day of workout.

    Get a personal trainer and dietician if you can afford. Check out the ketogenic diet.

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  152. Ah, sheepfucker, imitation is the sincerest form of obsession.

    but please, tell me more of your 9/11 troofer theories…or knowledge of US Constitutional law…or GWB’s “draft dodging”….or GWB at all…or Rush Limbaugh….or, well, anything beyond your mountain farm.

    lol. this should be good.
    *sits back with coke, ready to watch zunder’s stupidity*

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  153. lol, baby, no need for me to waste anymore time with you, baby
    lol

    ~

    el chief
    “Regarding Friday and Saturday nights:

    A woman wants a man with options. Taking her out on a weekend night shows that she is your best (or only) option. I went out with a girl a sat night once and she said “i was glad when you were free on a saturday, cuz it meant you weren’t seeing anyone else” (so it’s not a bad idea if she is already serious about you – but best to leave for several dates in).”
    ~+
    Interesting, el chief. But you wouldn’t turn up spending a weekend in bed with a hottie would you? – options or no options.

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  154. Hey, El chief: Ketogenic diet is good, but mix it up now and then with a day or two of carb loading. Lyle McDonald has written some good stuff on CKD (Cyclical Ketogenic Diet).

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  155. Ah, note the sheepfucker in action—

    1) Can’t make a logical point

    2) Makes up easily disprovable “facts”

    3) runs and hides when his ass is beaten down.

    lol baby. you truly are a pussy.

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  156. Oh ho ho! Zunder’s a diet head! That’s right baby, the diet will make you all manly and strong! Keep trying to grow those pubes, baby!

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  157. Roissy, my final assessment of your assessments are that you are one neurotic fuck. You’re never going to get anything really good in life from any woman if you keep this shit up. I have no doubt that really decent women wouldn’t give you the time of day.

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  158. zunder…oh dunder…oh baby….oh sheepfucker….

    Where did my delusional liar go? lmao.

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  159. hypothecary: why should a man expect to get anything “good” in life from a woman, apart from her ability to open her legs?

    that would be putting women on a pedestal, which they do not deserve.

    unless you are into that beta “soulmate” crap.

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  160. @Zunder, I wouldn’t say no to it 🙂 But Sun-Thurs is preferred if you want her to think you have options.

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  161. Zunder:

    “that would be putting women on a pedestal, which they do not deserve.”
    —that’s mroe approriate for sheep, right, baby?

    “unless you are into that beta “soulmate” crap.”
    —he prefers the term “farm-mate.”

    lol. this is too easy.

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  162. Ok, el chief.

    Actually, I think Roosh made some points on one of his blog posts some time ago about his preference for weekdays.

    Whether that was due to financial considerations, or your “options” scenario, I don’t remember.

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  163. Zunder the baby:

    “Whether that was due to financial considerations, or your “options” scenario, I don’t remember.”
    –Zunder? Not being able to remember basic facts?

    In other news, sky blue, water wet, Zunder likes goats’ anuses.

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  164. zunder…oh zunder…where is my little bitch boy zunder?

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  165. Cliff Arroyo

    “Your wife shouldn’t have any male friends or be alone/talk with any male she is not related to.”

    Are you from Saudi Arabia? What about doctors? What about your kids’ male teachers (or school principal)? How is this supposed to work outside of Gor?

    Wives, and long term girlfriends, given half a chance, will get up to mischief. But they appreciate discipline and supervision, respond well to guarding behavior. Reports to the contrary seem ill founded. We are seeing a lot more women convert to Islam than away from it.

    Every time you bang someone else’s wife or girlfriend, consider that to her boyfriend, she is probably just as faithful seeming as your own girlfriend.

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  166. -1 for not kiss closing on the first date. If there is any attraction 99% of the girls in the world kiss on the first date. Otherwise, kill it off then.

    In Top Gun, Maverick does a two-finger come hither motion. Try it out. I like it better.

    Roissy, I know you don’t like to get all crass on this site but can you explain the obsession that women have with getting fucked in the face? Is it porn inspired?

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  167. on October 27, 2009 at 8:25 pm Biting Beaver

    LURKER you are a drama queen.

    There is no way to explain it.

    You are always in a fight with somebody. Always.

    Worse: You are always picking fights with girls. What kind of a man get his jolly up starting a fighting drama with anonymous girls on the internet?

    Are you sure you are not gay? Because, by this time next week, I CAN ABSOLUTELY guarantee you will be in another fight with somebody. That is a bet i am willing to take. You like drama.

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  168. thank you Biting Beaver 🙂

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  169. lol.

    BB and chicy fuckface agreeing on something?

    Now I know i”m in the right.

    Bitches, kindly exit, stage left.

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  170. BB:

    “You are always picking fights with girls. ”
    —Hey sheepfucker, the dyke called you a girl! lol

    btw, I fight with illogical fuckfaces. Most of them happen to be women.

    because you can’t think logically as a gender.

    ooooh….

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  171. “This statement is contingently true. Her intent is 100% to go to bed with him, but execution of intent depends on his skill at affording her a plausible non-slut rationalization.”

    Which is as simple as removing accountability.

    I did this with the best friend of a fuck buddy recently. The fuck buddy was drunk and left me hanging. Her best friend happened to be there. Within 5 minutes of talking to the best friend she was telling me how she needed to get a hotel followed by “you are welcome to stay with me but we AREN’T having sex, just so you know that”.

    She must have repeated some variation of this at least a dozen times over the next hour.

    I knew that “We can sleep together but no sex” means “I want sex but you are going to have to leave me with no choice” so I told her “get in the car, we’re going to my place”.

    Had to listen to her tell me a couple more times that we weren’t going to have sex on the ride home, but the funny thing is, as soon as we stepped out of the car SHE starts to get sexual.

    From good girl to dirty little whore in 3.5 seconds.

    “You have a nice ass for a white boy!” **SMACK**

    We get to my condo and head out to the balcony, where she proceeds to back right up into me, grinding her ass on me as we are having a casual convo. That was all she wrote.

    Point is, she wanted to fuck, and all I had to do was TELL her what was going to happen and put her into a situation where she was able to avoid accountability.

    That’s why the second we got out of the car she did a 180. The “good little Muslim girl” act wasn’t needed after I made the choice for her.

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  172. Alpha haiku:

    Bitches shit-testing
    Attention whoring, non-stop
    Don’t jump through their hoops.

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  173. Cliff

    Wives, and long term girlfriends, given half a chance, will get up to mischief. But they appreciate discipline and supervision, respond well to guarding behavior. Reports to the contrary seem ill founded. We are seeing a lot more women convert to Islam than away from it.

    Every time you bang someone else’s wife or girlfriend, consider that to her boyfriend, she is probably just as faithful seeming as your own girlfriend.

    Well said. Advice that many will find difficult to take to heart: cognitive dissonance.

    Just because she loves you doesn’t mean that another part of her can’t be getting a different lovin someone else.

    Women are specialists at compartamentalizing. They can tell you straight faced that they would never cheat on you, and they probably believe it when they say it. Meanwhile they are e-flirting and setting up dates. Or worse. They are as segmented as oranges. True undying loyal love smack dab against a segment of a lying cheating whore.

    Never trust a one of them. Love up good and enjoy em, but don’t trust em. They won’t even appreciate trust – they’ll merely abuse it.

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  174. no one answered so here i ask again

    hi I suck cock and take it up the ass from men (but only like hot young muscular guys) does that make me a beta?

    I also sleep with women and don’t think of myself as gay btw so I dunno (I don’t do anything other than sex with guys)

    even if you’re gay does that mean you’re beta
    thx

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  175. “We are seeing a lot more women convert to Islam than away from it.”

    Seeing as how they’re liable to get killed if they try to convert away from Islam I don’t think that means anything.

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  176. Maurice, firepower is the poet laureate of the château 🙂

    even if you’re gay does that mean you’re beta
    NO, bears are alpha.

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  177. “, firepower is the poet laureate of the château”
    —and chicy fuckface is the house bitch.

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  178. @Seeking Alpha

    I’ve heard stories about the more senior guys (MDs, etc.) in the big banks whose wives end up having affairs with the tennis instructor, or the construction guy working on the home expansion, etc.

    I bring this up because you can’t always beat away other “AMOGs.” At least I don’t think you can. There are other men out there who will have an Alpha lure, with the additional benefit of being something new. To a girl who marries young, this could be temptation…

    Your future wife seems like a good woman who loves you and will do the right thing. But as she grows up some more there will be other influences in society or direction around her giving her “bad” ideas.

    You can’t police her female friends, right? At some point someone might give her the idea that she missed out, and make her think, “Wow I married so young, other girls got to go out with different types of guys… they make it sound so fun. Maybe I should have done that too.” She could have a moment of weakness when during the normal up and down of your relationship, maybe she feels a little bored or is sad because you’re really busy at work… and if you’re the center of her universe, your being busy might bother her a little more than other girls.

    Your plan to set boundaries for her normal interaction with other males sounds good. But I hope you remember that sometimes a little flirtee flirtee can be harmless. Also if a girl has normal outside interests, so her entire life isn’t just tied to her relationship with you.

    If you are too strong on her than you’ll be like the mean rebellious dad whose stricter than all the other girls dads, maybe? And that moment of weakness might come…

    I don’t know about this stuff better than anyone else… but I’ve had friends who married young and they seem so interested in what I’ve done while they’ve been a wifey. Sometimes they seem kinda sad when I tell them about all the exciting adventures with trying to find a Mr. I’m sure they’re very happy in their marriages too, but imagine if they were going through a rough spot… or having general human angst about “what if?”

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  179. @ el chief

    All good pointers – thanks. So often actual game topics spiral into troll-feeding. Refreshing thread and advice, thanks.

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  180. Here’s a very beta thing I just did:

    jerk: “going out tomorrow with X at Y. you should come”
    chick1: “can’t. what about your wife?”
    jerk: “she’s out of town”… (she’s an 8 but she has a messed up tooth so I gaze at it)
    chick1: “you should’ve gone with her”
    jerk: “everyone needs independence”

    next night: I see chick1 out on the street near Y with a “girl’s night out crowd”. my friend ends up bailing on me due to getting sick but I get stopped by the cops because they thought he (and I) was drunk. As they are running my ID for warrants I:
    jerk text2chick1: “hey saw you out. friend had to bail 5 minutes ago and i’m rollin’ dolo”.
    chick1: “I’m at Z w/group of friends. Do you want to come dance with us?”

    I walk by Z but hesitate – I feel beta rolling dolo. I call it a night an go home. I see her 2 days later and see that her Gina tingle for me is gone – perhaps forever.

    Oh well, at least this means I get to tap her friends.

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  181. […] dudes talk enough about the KISS close, and, as this comment points out, women want it.  I agree.  I don’t want to wonder if he […]

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  182. @lurker

    Going back a bit further in presidencies:

    FDR: Spoiled brat beta pussy was afraid people would see him in wheelchair. Wife was a dyke. BETA
    HST: Dropped da bomb. LOWER ALPHA
    IKE: Hard to know. Likley Higher Beta
    JFK: ALPHA.
    LBJ: ALPHA
    Nixon: Beta
    Ford: Married a stripper or “dancer”. ALPHA.

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  183. on October 28, 2009 at 12:28 am ironrailsironweights

    Why do I suddenly want a tasty snack?

    Peter

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  184. What do the Roissy rules say about damage control? I got pissed at a girl for not answering me and sent her an angry message (big Roissy rules no-no, basically everything this post says not to do) and she’s not answering anymore. Should I wait a few weeks and say something, say something now or forget about it because I totally killed my chances?

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  185. Jagal,

    I screw up a lot and use my non-game assets as a crutch. But I’m 100% sure you should forget it and move on.

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  186. Some of you sound like your straight off of an episode of Maury Povich about controlling boyfriends. I don’t disagree with everything you guys are saying. Certainly we all know what ‘friends’ of the opposite sex means. But ‘guarding behavior’? Buahahahahaha. Someone sounds a little (pun intended) insecure.

    If anything ‘gaurding’ behavior will lower your value in her eyes. Being so concerned that she’ll find someone else that makes her gina tingle more than you only betrays a lack of self confidence and more firmly plants the idea in her head that she CAN go out and find someone that will make her gina tingle more. Insecurity is one of the root causes of all things beta.

    Now I am by not advocating beinga fool. By all means do you due dilligence. We’re all adults and none of us are naive enough to not know what ‘good friends’ of the opposite sex means, and ou should never be unwelcome to come along anytime she’s going to be in the company of other men. Women like men to be men and call the shots on things (e.g. you don’t like X so no contact). They like men to be a little jealous. A little jealousy is good for them to see because it shows that you care. But there is a point past which it becomes excessive, she’ll get fed up with it and your efforts to keep her from straying will ultimately push her into the arms of another man.

    Of course the flip side to this is thay maybe you’re with a slut and you really do have a reason to be insecure.

    Fyi, all the guarding behavior in the world isn’t going to stop your woman from sneaking around to get some on the side if she’s the type. Women are especially good at that sort of thing. Think Don Draper in season 1 of Mad Men.

    An observation I’ve made. Why does the slut and the control freak seem to be such a natural pairing? Here’s a scene I’ve seen play out over and over: A woman sitting next to/dancing with/making out with her tool shed of a man is making eyes at every other guy in the place. He catches her doing it, grabs her by her arm and drags her out berating her the whole way. Do sluts make guys insecure and turn them into control freaks? Or is it just a case of the inexorable gravitation of slutty yin to posessive yang.

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  187. on October 28, 2009 at 2:30 am unlearning genius

    Love the “alpha assessment mondays” series, one man can always pick up useful stuff from another. I certainly did.

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  188. Fucking iphones. Always posting unedited shit. Keyboards were never meant to be manipulated with thumbs.

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  189. @Jagal:

    wait a week

    send a text like “guess who i saw downtown today?” (and make something up, like “Bill Murray”)

    reconnect from there

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  190. here’s a scenario for the talents of the roissysphere.

    Met a girl on Friday, out for one of my friends birthdays.. I initially opened her (she walked by our table) asking her to impart some birthday words of wisdom, pretty basic but it worked.

    She had nothing good to say advice wise (obviously + was a bit tipsy) but she stuck around for about fifteen minutes and talked to everyone, and as she was heading out invited us to join her & her friends later that night (it was only about 8) and I got her number.

    Where she was heading had little interest to any of us so I had zero intention to go, but I sent her a feeler “How is it there” text a few hours later. Predictably, no response.

    Anyhow, I’m not putting the percentages very high on her responding to something this week, but she was fairly cute so I figure I’d throw this out there, see if anyone had a good line or six to reinvigorate a weak non-existent lead, or just any other ‘analysis’ to go along with this.

    Seeing as there was radio silence on the first message, I’m basically onto the final attempt. I don’t really bother chasing pointless ones, or at least I tell myself.

    I was thinking about including a refresher on how we met, to avoid the dreaded ‘who’s this’ but other than that I’m blanking on something good to say.

    Ok, that’s enough overanalysis for now.

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  191. the sunglass face is ‘around 8’ and later on it should be weak/non-existent.

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  192. Tommy: you opened but did you DHV sufficiently? Was any attraction created? Did you get any IOIs?

    If not, then fuggetaboutit.

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  193. I take her wanting to meet up later as an indication of some interest, and when she asked she directed the general question at me, which is why I asked her for her number – I’m not socially retarded, I took the cue.

    I set up and framed the conversation for six people, I’d say that’s “DHV” (fuck these acryonyms by the way).

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  194. The Specimen

    If anything ‘guarding’ behavior will lower your value in her eyes.

    Not nearly as much as if she gets nailed by another male while receiving benefits.

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  195. “I take her wanting to meet up later as an indication of some interest”

    Umm…body language, gestures, looks…? Anything beyond what could be interpreted as basic social niceties?

    Even if there was DHV, that by itself doesn’t mean shit if there was no investment on her part, no isolation to comfort, etc.

    Game isn’t what you want it to be, it is what it is.

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  196. on October 28, 2009 at 7:54 am msexceptiontotherule

    I’ll probably regret this, but….

    Is it correct to say that Roissy advises that men wanting to have wall-to-wall stacked to the ceiling options in hot women make a point to include enough of the asshole ingredient in their game so that they’re always going to find themselves in social situations requiring the women to be the ones entertaining men *because* it is typical for women to expect, and in some cases demand, that men entertain them and this occurs regularly even if they’re not planning on giving up the nappy dugout?

    How many entertaining beyond what you can find on a girls gone wild dvd kind of way hot chicks exactly do people think are out there? I mean, assuming that this is something a guy would want, because as a woman I would only be able to speculate on such topics even if I went out and asked a group of men which would have a total number count statistically considered a fair representation of the overall population – who’s to say I wouldn’t have found the one group in a given major metropolitan area (without having already disqualified from the experiment by their homosexuality of course) who could not be considered to actually represent an entire population.

    How do men reconcile their feelings about women who have had many sexual partners with acting promiscuously and banging a different woman every night or expecting to bang her at the end of the evening of a first date? How many women is it reasonable to believe a guy along with all of the others out there they can expect to be able to screw so casually before it gets to the point where by the time they actually decide to have children to carry on the family name or whatever rubbish they won’t admit to because they don’t want to be accused of not being alpha, and expressing an interest in marriage/kids would do that, they’ve already completely fucked themselves literally into there no longer being any woman available that they consider to be up to standards. Eventually, they have to recognize that it really is possible to run out of the relatively pure ideal women with the characteristics of being a good wife and mother, increasing demand and making it all the more important to do what one must to make sure to hold onto one if you’ve got it, especially if successful use of game continues to be mostly focused on getting into the panties of as many different women as possible. It might very well get to a point where the ideal is so rare that men will constantly have to worry that someone might steal their wife and kill their children while they’re at work during the day, or attempt to lure her with shiny things like jewelry or a bigger house with a more comfortable interior and the promise to be able to decorate it however she would like and as often as possible no matter how expensive.

    …..Just thought I’d mention those things.

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  197. I’m sharing this with you guys…because no one else I know would even care….but I just got an invite from some guy named Joe Perry to help guys Sarge or be a wing woman for a guy who is doing PUA.

    It’s an actual group on facebook….got to love it.

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  198. msexceptiontotherule

    Your first paragraph – in Game it’s called flipping the script. Google that term for lots of details.

    Your second paragraph – We do not expect women to entertain us the way a man would. We do not expect witticisms, insightful analysis and so on. We have male friends for that. We expect effort, girlish charm and other entertaining behaviour unique to the female of the species.

    Your third paragraph – No reconciliation is necessary. Men and women are different and different rules apply. When men bang a bevvy of hot girls they become better men for their future LTR (should they settled down). For women it makes them worse. It’s not fair, but it’s hard wired fact. Beyond that your post seems to be disappearing up its own arse.

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  199. JerkkDog, I woudl disagree:

    “Going back a bit further in presidencies:

    FDR: Spoiled brat beta pussy was afraid people would see him in wheelchair. Wife was a dyke. BETA
    HST: Dropped da bomb. LOWER ALPHA
    IKE: Hard to know. Likley Higher Beta
    JFK: ALPHA.
    LBJ: ALPHA
    Nixon: Beta
    Ford: Married a stripper or “dancer”. ALPHA.”

    —FDR I feel was an alpha. Banging young pussy (mistress), forced Supreme Court to bow to his will, forced press not report a major medical ailment, plus stood up to mega-alpha Stalin and did not bow to Churchill. His wife was a political marriage.

    Truman: lower alpha, agreed.

    IKE=Beta???? The man who controlled all of WW2? The man who kept serious alpha dogs like Patton on a leash?

    Ike was alpha.

    JFK and LBJ were alphas, definitely.

    Nixon=lower alpha. War hero, asshole, but still too mealy mouthed and backstabbing for true alphahood. If he done hsi “dirty tricks” in public rather than secretly he would have been more respect.

    Ford=tough to say.

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  200. Oh, and Zunder is a tool. lol

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  201. The Speciman: “Fyi, all the guarding behavior in the world isn’t going to stop your woman from sneaking around to get some on the side if she’s the type.”

    I disagree with this. In fact, I think this is even a pretty lie connected to the whole “why don’t you trust me” schtick women pull. Women absolutely can be controled. Look at Saudi Arabia. Obviously that is an extreme example but it shows the point. A slut can be controlled by a strong enough guy.

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  202. lurker and Zunder, get a room.

    Madras, do you know for a fact that they’re less slutty in Saudi? I know that there’s no bars there but I hear they’ve found other ways, like flirting via Bluetooth from their cars.

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  203. Fyi, all the guarding behavior in the world isn’t going to stop your woman from sneaking around to get some on the side if she’s the type

    Don’t marry “the type.”

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  204. “Look at Saudi Arabia”

    Did you even think when you wrote that? Yeah, look at Saudi Arabia. It’s a backward shithole of a country and a major exporter of dysfunctional religious extremism and its men are notorious for drinking alcohol and whoring around whenever they get a chance to leave its repressive borders. Oh, and there’s the systematic sexual and physical abuse of hired help.

    It’s also a prime source of the kind of sexual paranoia that prefers that young women burn to death rather than be seen on the street by strange men.

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  205. What you’re also forgetting is that a woman in love — which is done with LTR game — will not respond sexually to another guy trying to game her, unless she’s “the type.” She won’t return his flirtation and will find his overt displays of sexuality disgusting.

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  206. PA, I don’t have confidence in your assertion that a woman in love=a woman in emotional monogamy.

    I know what you are saying, and know that state of affairs. But that rule seems as slippery as any emotion. It’s not always true, and it doesn’t always work like that.

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  207. Pupu likes Maurice’s Alpha haiku because of the parallel meaning and visual images it projects. One of Pupu’s favorite haiku is

    The snow is melting
    The village is flooded
    With children

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  208. Cliff,

    I’m not saying Saudi Arabia is a GOOD place overall, just that women seem to be under control there. And that the whole idea of “women cant be controlled, you just have to understand that they will do what they want” is very very beta.

    Jagal,

    No, I dont know for sure that they are less slutty there, but I would bet that cheating wives are much much rarer there.

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  209. “I’m not saying Saudi Arabia is a GOOD place overall, just that women seem to be under control there.”

    That seems to be partially true. On the other hand, there is a tremendous social and intellectual price to be paid. Saudi men are willing to pay it, but few American men would be willing too.

    “And that the whole idea of “women cant be controlled, you just have to understand that they will do what they want” is very very beta.””

    Good. Beta culture (defined as family men who were not obsessed with enforcing purity and their own sexual monopolies) built western civilization. It’s called social trust. You can’t select and have widespread social trust among men and obsessive controlling womens’ behavior at the same time (well you can pull it off for short periods, but it will inevitably collapse of its own weight).

    Sexual paranoia of the kind espoused here is a one way ticket to widespread social misery (maybe crowded and pious misery, but misery nonetheless).

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  210. Madras–

    Women absolutely can be controled. Look at Saudi Arabia. Obviously that is an extreme example but it shows the point. A slut can be controlled by a strong enough guy.

    No many kinds of sluts CANNOT be controlled. They will be tempted and they will give into temptation. Any halfway attractive women has been after her especially if she’s showing ANY tendency to be interested, all the time. Many kinds of sluts through of interest vibes all the time.

    Further your example disproves you point. Saudia Arabia controls it’s women by extremely strong and heavily enforced customs and laws backed up by religious belief, a particularly stringent interpretation of Islam. We have the opposite social and legal situation in feminist America. Dramatically different.

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  211. el chief’s couple of long posts on this thread offering specific game advice are simply gold. He’s spot on on all of it.

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  212. Madras, would you want to control your wife?

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  213. “I would bet that cheating wives are much much rarer there.”

    Does it count if they cheat with each other? Widespread enforced sexual segregation tends to increase the rate of opportunistic homosexuality. Naive souls like to think that that’s primarily expressed by men, but there are indications that it’s far from rare among women in the middle east. In the novel “Women of Sand and Myrrh” two of the (married otherwise heterosexual) characters have a lesbian affair and there’s indications that they don’t see it as anything very rare.

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  214. zunder: why should a man expect to get anything “good” in life from a woman, apart from her ability to open her legs?

    Why? Why not? You (just like Roissy) lack imagination and balls. You sell yourself short and wonder why you can’t expect anything good in life with women besides ejaculations which are probably no better than a good sneeze.

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  215. The only balls zunder lacks are his own; he gets enough of them from being teabagged by sheep.

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  216. Cliff Arroyo–

    Beta culture (defined as family men who were not obsessed with enforcing purity and their own sexual monopolies) built western civilization. It’s called social trust. You can’t select and have widespread social trust among men and obsessive controlling womens’ behavior at the same time (well you can pull it off for short periods, but it will inevitably collapse of its own weight).

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. Something close to the opposite of what you say is true.

    Until the early 1960s the great majority of American and European men cared very much about either the virginity or increasingly post WWII the near virginity of their brides – and without question her fidelity in marriage. Further the rates of female infidelity then were vastly lower than they are now.

    The main exceptions were women’s behavior was sometimes less controlled were in the decadent aristo classes in Europe and the lowest classes. These decadent classes or their decadent times and cultural phases are famous for both female loseness and male wastrellness. Decadence.

    These aren’t the groups the created the industrial and scientific revolutions or expanded America. Women’s behavior was considerably controlled among these groups primarily culturally but also by divorce laws and the lack of laws forcing child support particular for loose women. Loose women were absolutely scorned by most of society — certainly the parts doing the building of America and Britain and Europe, in patterns of economic organization, industry and science that the whole world has since copied to for the first time in history, raise a substantial part and in America and Europe all of the population above absolute poverty or subsistence levels.

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  217. Cliff Arroyo–

    Naive souls like to think that that’s primarily expressed by men, but there are indications that it’s far from rare among women in the middle east.

    There are far greater indications that it’s far from common.

    Your hydraulic theory of sexuality isn’t working. Of course feminists and leftists want to believe what you’re suggesting.

    Naturally there’s money to be made in the West in novels about exciting or female rebellious sexuality behind the chodors.

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  218. PA

    PA

    quoting another: Fyi, all the guarding behavior in the world isn’t going to stop your woman from sneaking around to get some on the side if she’s the type

    Don’t marry “the type.”

    Exactly. As well don’t have the “the type” for any kind of LTR that you invest your heart into.

    Few things could sum up better why men shouldn’t allow themselves to fall in love with sluts, much less marry them.

    You bang sluts but avoid falling in love with them by always having a certain amount of (usually unspoken) superior disdain for them. While enjoying their proclivities.

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  219. Never underestimate how manipulative and devious a shady woman can be. Regardless of how much you try to lord over her and watch her a shady slut that wants to fool around on you is going to do it, and you will never know. You may not even suspect. You could literally put a leash on her and drag her with you 24 hours a day, and somehow she would figure out a way to sneak some guy in through the window and get nailed while you sleep.

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  220. @Krauser: “We do not expect women to entertain us the way a man would. We do not expect witticisms, insightful analysis and so on. We have male friends for that. We expect effort, girlish charm and other entertaining behaviour unique to the female of the species.”

    couldn’t have said it better myself. tip of the hat to you, sir.

    @Lurker and Zunder:
    I don’t really have a dog in y’alls fight, but two things strike me from your sniping at one another:

    Zunder: for someone who has supposedly espoused the values of the Left, you sure are quick to throw around “faggot” and “gay” in their most pejorative senses. how would your PC friends on the Left feel about that? welcome to being a man. check your liberalism at the door.

    Zunder: Clinton alpha, but Bush 43 beta? let’s examine.

    on Clinton’s watch:
    ’93 world trade center bombing. reaction: nothing
    Khobar Towers bombing. reaction: nothing
    U.S. embassy in Kenya bombing & U.S. embassy in Tanzania bombing. reaction: lobbed a few tomahawk missiles at an empty al Queda camp during the height of the Lewinski scandal.
    USS Cole bombing. reaction: nothing.
    allowed 9/11 perps to train in the country, and let al Queda grow into the force it became.

    on Bush’s watch:
    9/11. reaction: routed the Taliban from power in Afghanistan. conceived the first permutation of the Bush doctrine: pre-emptive action. routed Saddam’s regime.

    who’s alpha, who’s beta?? hmmmm…seems to me the only thing alpha about Clinton was his womanizing. his foreign policy was the usual, limp-dick pussyfooting we’ve come to expect from liberal administrations.

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  221. I am not a leftie but Bush2 was a beta. And a disaster for the GOP and the country.

    Genuflection to Saudis, amped-up immigration, and pathetic beta body language with anti-American statements before Vincente Fox, who treated GWB with visible contempt.

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  222. Not to mention a humongous man-crush on Ted Kennedy, torment be upon him.

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  223. “Until the early 1960s the great majority of American and European men cared very much about either the virginity or increasingly post WWII the near virginity of their brides – and without question her fidelity in marriage. Further the rates of female infidelity then were vastly lower than they are now.”

    Yes, you’re right. And to be clear, I’m not advocating slut behavior or infidelity. If you can’t do monogamy then don’t get married.

    Men expected (rightly) for their wives to be faithful, but they didn’t obsess about every other man as a potential sexual threat. There were expectations of behavior but simultaneously earned trust.

    I’m all in favor of decent society looking down on sluts and horndogs and married people who can’t resist the urge to stray (always there to a greater or lesser degree). But ostracism and a fall in social class are informal, non-criminalized social control mechanism and are a very different (and far better) prospect than idiocy like ‘don’t let your wife talk to men she’s not related to’ or laws criminalizing any non-marital or familian male-female contact.

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  224. @doug
    just saw an old comment of yours to me- i also find you interesting;)

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  225. “There are far greater indications that it’s far from common”

    I wouldn’t say common in the absolute sense, but common compared to what middle easterners are prepared to talk about.

    “Your hydraulic theory of sexuality isn’t working. Of course feminists and leftists want to believe what you’re suggesting.”

    I’m not a plumber, and what am I suggesting?

    “Naturally there’s money to be made in the West in novels about exciting or female rebellious sexuality behind the chodors.”

    Probably, and there is never a shortage of people who want to believe if they don’t see it, it doesn’t exist.

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  226. PA. You’re dead on the mark with that one.

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  227. on October 28, 2009 at 2:17 pm The Alchemist

    Timely topic for me – just this got this situation on my plate:

    Have a date for tomorrow – It was setup at her request last weekend. She asked if we could meet up for a drink sometime and we agreed on this Thursday. Well, today (Wednesday) I get a text saying “so, I have to go to a birthday dinner tomorrow which I forgot about! How about tonight?”

    Sounds a little fishy. Surely she must have remembered the bday dinner at some point over the past few days….yet, I’m only hearing about it now?

    How would you respond? I’m thinking of responding something like: “sorry, already have plans for tonight. Maybe some other time, then.” . Keep it simple, no elaboration.

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  228. The Specimen whinged:

    Never underestimate how manipulative and devious a shady woman can be. Regardless of how much you try to lord over her and watch her a shady slut that wants to fool around on you is going to do it, and you will never know. You may not even suspect. You could literally put a leash on her and drag her with you 24 hours a day, and somehow she would figure out a way to sneak some guy in through the window and get nailed while you sleep.

    Brotha to brotha: it’s time you forget about chasing after those white women and go back to sistas.

    just sayin’

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  229. on October 28, 2009 at 2:59 pm gunslingergregi

    Before getting with guns her ass was a wad of cookie dough after she could do anything.

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  230. on October 28, 2009 at 3:09 pm gunslingergregi

    What I notice is that people want to get a partner who has already achieved it all. What they fail to realize is that what does that leave you to together achieve?

    Sure a woman getting with a dude who has money can go on permanent vacation but what are they gonna grow through.

    I have noticed that the gun way seems to work. You provide her with a vision to fit in and she tries her best to fit into that vision and imbibe it as her own. Provide purpose direction and motivation to your woman and allow her some leeway on certain things.

    Kind of like basic training even though it got easier still was somewhat of a challenge to most people (not me but I was already running 5 miles a day and in shape) but normal human beings it posed a challenge to. Now they all still made it through without quiting so they did what?
    They rose to the fucking challenge.
    You must come up with some challenges for your woman to rise up to and make her into your perfect woman.
    I really think most woman that you meet that aquiese to your power over them and love your dick are gonna rise to the occasion.
    In the us this should be a prerequisite to getting married. You must build something together before getting into a commitment of slavery you must become free together before getting married.
    Hell even at 10 bucks an hour if she is willing to work 84 hours and you work 84 hours you can create some shit before you get married that makes it a moot point if you stay together or not.

    I now expect more from my woman than feminists ever dreamed.

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  231. on October 28, 2009 at 3:14 pm gunslingergregi

    Course to have a woman who does that you must have a life goal or a vision for life. When I met mine and realized I wanted to be with her for life. I told her about my goal of not wanting to have to do shit and be able to chill with her and just cuddle all day. I wasn’t exactly sure how to make it happen. I knew saving money was a big part.
    What did she do?
    She took my goal and made it hers.
    She laid the groundwork to insure that is what happened.
    Little did I know then the true power of woman.

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  232. on October 28, 2009 at 3:19 pm gunslingergregi

    I’m only 33 years old so its fucking wierd to say the least when all ya hear around is how it is so hard to retire or whatever. Or it takes generations to be wealthy. My woman makes the shit look like childs play.

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  233. @Rex
    The war was Rove and Cheney’s idea. Bush just listened to them and always was their little puppet. There’s no doubt that he’s the biggest beta. He smiled like an ass when the shoe was being thrown at him. I wish it hit him in the face.

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  234. on October 28, 2009 at 3:23 pm gunslingergregi

    Then I meet another chick and within less than a month she is getting her second job started in a week. Saying things like “I need the money” and “fudge paying rent” So yea I am thinking this shit is easily reproducable. Turning almost any woman into a teammate to beat the game.

    All I would have to do is fuck and keep a guiding hand on her endeavers to make sure she saves loot.

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  235. The key though is to actually achieve shit together so you don’t get what I had in my first marriage which was the woman paying lip service to my dream of being rich but after marriage did not participate in beating the system.
    My second already beat the system and became self sufficient by the time I agreed to her expectation of getting married.

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  236. Jagal, please. the idea that Bush was merely Cheney’s puppet is a fantasy lefties tell themselves and, because it gets repeated so often, they believe its true. Absolutely no proof exists that Cheney “controlled” Bush outside of Glen Greenweld’s circle of like-minded nutcases.

    Was Cheney a trusted advisor? Yes. Bush leaned on him. Although I fail to see what’s shocking about a President relying on an elected official for advice. And by the second term Cheney had fallen out of favor—Bush refused a Libby pardon, whihc was Cheney’s # 1 goal at one point.

    But by all honest accounts, his most trusted advisor was not Cheney, but Condolezza Rice. Yes, you read that right—many whispers went around that he trusted Rice so much, they must be having an affair. He took her NSA advice over Cheneys.

    No one paying attention was surprised when she took over Sec. of State after Powell left. Powell was the natural first choice for the public—much like Clinton was for Obama—but she was up for the most powerful position that wasn’t POTUS/VP as soon as Powell inevitably left.

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  237. Even in Saudi Arabia, a slut is a slut is a slut. When she feels the tingles, death or worse is forgotten.

    http://www.248am.com/mark/videos/man-throws-his-wife-from-second-floor-window/

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  238. @ Powerflamer

    I’m just reinforcing my point that if a woman is shady and addicted to lots of sexual attention from men, no measures you take will stop her from straying.

    I’ve banged a couple of slutty cheaters in my time, and without exception they had jealous, possessive boyfriends. I was taken aback by the feral cunning with which they handled frequent calls from their bf’s checking up on them. In the end, all the control that these men tried to exert over their women was for naught. It doesn’t matter the race or class, some chicks are just damaged goods and should only be considered worthy of 1 or 2 nights of fun. To try to turn a hoe into a housewife is a thankless undertaking that a man chooses at his own peril.

    P.S. – What makes you think I chase white women? How do you know I don’t have yellow fever?

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  239. The Specimen

    Never underestimate how manipulative and devious a shady woman can be. Regardless of how much you try to lord over her and watch her a shady slut that wants to fool around on you is going to do it,

    No she is not. Women can be controlled. Indeed testing to see whether you can control her is a standard shit test. If you fail to control, she will misbehave, both to test you for weakness, and to get some top quality semen.

    A woman’s infidelity takes much more time and effort than a man’s because a man only needs a few minutes, whereas a woman wants to spend a lot of time evaluating her target for quality, and so a woman’s infidelity is considerably easier to detect, prevent, and punish. You don’t try to intercept sex, you intercept her socializing with potential targets. A man being unfaithful is likely to be screwing lower quality women, which is impossible to detect. A woman being unfaithful will be attempting to screw higher quality men, which is easy to detect.

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  240. really, just look out for women who use the word “controlling” at all. any women who objects to you wanting her to dress and comport herself a certain way is a disrespectful whore–period. she wants strange male attention to continue even while she’s ostensibly taken. she won’t give up her male “friends”? whore–dump her. she doesn’t want to be owned? great! rent her for the night and move on.

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  241. ”””””’biktopia
    Madras, would you want to control your wife?
    ””””””’

    Do you work at a company that is not your own?

    I personnaly just wouldn’t want my wife having to have loyalty to anyone but me.

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  242. Rex Goliath
    Zunder: for someone who has supposedly espoused the values of the Left, you sure are quick to throw around “faggot” and “gay” in their most pejorative senses. how would your PC friends on the Left feel about that? welcome to being a man. check your liberalism at the door.

    ~

    You make the classic mistake of pigeonholing all those of a polictical Centre-Left leaning as PC.

    Traditionally, parties of the Left have been the avenue for ALPHA MALES fighting the BETA ESTABLISHMENT (the Conservative Centre-Right).

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  243. James.

    Sometimes she’s not testing you. Sometimes she’s just damaged goods. I’m not advocating being a fool and turning a blind eye or being permissive of everything your woman does. On the contrary, if you have no sack your woman won’t respect you. But some of you guys are talking about stuff tantamount to putting a GPS ankle bracelet on their women. If you feel like this then your relationship is already finished because there is no trust.

    If you know your woman would blow the 1st good looking guy that comes along and talks her for more than a couple of minutes the moment your back is turned, then either your game is not that tight with her, you’re with a slut, or both.

    Dana,

    Right on! Rather than drive themselves crazy trying to reform the unreformable, more men should learn to spot the warning signs and be ready to walk if a woman isn’t measuring up.

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  244. Specimen:

    Sometimes she’s not testing you. Sometimes she’s just damaged goods.

    Very true.

    One thing I’ve noticed in the community is a willingness to interpret any sort of disagreeable behavior on the part of women as a shit test, even when the women is acting like a straight up cuntrag. This willingness is born out of a needy scarcity mentality that thinks if one can just outmanoeuver and “anti-shit-test” enough, one can — desperately — win the prize. What a pathetic mindset. Sometimes a bitch is a bitch. These manginas need to learn that some female behavior is worthy of the BOOT, but they are so desperate to prove something to themselves that they put up with so much bullshit in pursuit of the pussy.

    Short elucidation: http://uzemandluzem.blogspot.com/2009/10/shit-tests-vs-shitty-behavior.html

    Even guys like Deida who valiantly try to reinterpret female narcissism in a positive light in order to fight off feminists and traditionalists in the name of “feminine energy” or “Kali consciousness” *coughGirlGamecough* often end up, in practice, merely excusing spoiled, entitled, and demanding feral females in order to get a little nookie. Hey man, whatever floats their boat. Personally, I’d rather listen to Iceberg Slim.

    P.S. Another nice reminder from U&L: http://uzemandluzem.blogspot.com/2009/10/real-men-hypergamy.html

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  245. The Specimen

    @ Powerflamer: I’m just reinforcing my point that if a woman is shady and addicted to lots of sexual attention from men, no measures you take will stop her from straying.

    There are no measures an individual man can take, but there are measures a society can take. Never works 100% but can stamp down slut behavior WAY more tha is the case today in the hyper feminist Anglosphere especially.

    I’ve banged a couple of slutty cheaters in my time, and without exception they had jealous, possessive boyfriends. I was taken aback by the feral cunning with which they handled frequent calls from their bf’s checking up on them. In the end, all the control that these men tried to exert over their women was for naught. It doesn’t matter the race or class, some chicks are just damaged goods and should only be considered worthy of 1 or 2 nights of fun. To try to turn a hoe into a housewife is a thankless undertaking that a man chooses at his own peril.

    Yuup. My own experience is similar.

    Don’t marry a slut/ho. Don’t fall in love with one either.

    P.S. – What makes you think I chase white women? How do you know I don’t have yellow fever?

    Although you weren’t addressing me, I’ll answer.

    The very strong odds.

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  246. Tupac

    One thing I’ve noticed in the community is a willingness to interpret any sort of disagreeable behavior on the part of women as a shit test, even when the women is acting like a straight up cuntrag.

    THANK YOU.

    That really needs saying again and again. I’ve said similar things too.

    There’s two sides to this. On the one hand in a LTR that you feel (but only if rightly) is worth salvaging, you can only change yourself in the first instance, and then work from there to change her. The second part is often lacking in emphasis.

    Second, even if it’s most effective to game her around and past her faults, I think it’s a crap and defeating mindset to believe it’s all really been your fault, in a heading downhill LTR. Rather it might be almost entirely her, and her programing and her media empowered destructive for both of you gaming of you, so realize that but still know what you can first of all change is your own game.

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  247. ”””””’biktopia
    Madras, would you want to control your wife?
    ””””””’
    ‘Gun
    Do you work at a company that is not your own?
    ”’I personnaly just wouldn’t want my wife having to have loyalty to anyone but me.”’

    I wouldn’t want my man to be disloyal to me either, but you can’t control loyalty. in a relationship, you just inevitable have to trust, even if you don’t want to. Not all women will cheat, actually, to tell you, i would say, seeing my friends, 1 out of 10 would cheat, and that 1, you can see from far she would. so dont be to bothered with trying to control, its just mindghosts mostly, pick wisely. And, ive noticed also, the more freaked out about loyalty a guy is, is exactly becasue he is not loyal.

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  248. “the more freaked out about loyalty a guy is, is exactly becasue he is not loyal.”

    That’s because for a certain mindset loyalty always flows upward. Ever hear of a boss who’s loyal to his employees? An officer who’s loyal to the enlisted men? An owner loyal to a dog?

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  249. on October 29, 2009 at 3:49 am unlearning genius

    @Tupac,

    “Short elucidation: http://uzemandluzem.blogspot.com/2009/10/shit-tests-vs-shitty-behavior.html

    That blog is totally fucked up and nose-deep in misogyny. So much bitterness is a sign of HUGE insecurity and of failure. Unless you meant the whole site as a caricature?

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  250. Fercrissakes Lurker… Do you know how unbelievably annoying your rantings are, e.g. this whole Zunder thing? Prior to that, the chick from Miami… etc. etc.

    Talk about a DLV.

    It dilutes the reception of the otherwise mostly insightful things you say.

    Regarding alpha presidents:

    43 was most certainly alpha but that doesn’t mean the policies pursued were beneficial to the nation.

    Most presidents are by definition alpha.

    (Note Ford was a leader in the House prior to his elevation as VP.)

    Nixon is more alpha than given credit for being.

    Frankly, I think Obama could be the most marginally alpha president in a long time – he may be greater beta… time will tell.

    B.

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  251. I will add that Bush was largely frat boy alpha with no deep political philosophical underpinings – to the detriment of the country.

    Cheney is alpha in the best political meaning.

    And, although I despise the nepotistic trend in politics, I look forward to the day Liz Cheney is on the ticket…

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  252. Bhetti

    Even in Saudi Arabia, a slut is a slut is a slut. When she feels the tingles, death or worse is forgotten.

    It’s amazing
    they now allow 2 story buildings over there

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  253. You should like this Roissy – 112 year old man weds 17 year old girl:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8331136.stm

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  254. on October 30, 2009 at 9:55 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Krauser:

    An answer! One that wasn’t painful to read too! Did the world suddenly come to an end while I was away on work-related business? Still, despite the tone in this comment, I appreciate that you took the time to answer my earlier questions. Now, if I can get you to elaborate on the specifics that would fall under the category vaguely referenced at the end of the following statement:

    “We expect effort, girlish charm and other entertaining behaviour unique to the female of the species.”

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  255. on October 31, 2009 at 2:05 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””Did the world suddenly come to an end while I was away on work-related business?””””””

    I suppose if it lasted years it could happen he he he

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  256. on October 31, 2009 at 3:10 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Gunz: and here I was starting to be pleased with the fact that this work-related stuff managed to find a way to send me somewhere that involved a whole two states from the one I actually live and work in most of the time – which would be everything left after the rare problems they like to send me on a plane to wherever it is that the problem I’ve been sent to solve happens to be located. I wish they had more problems in places that are more fun for me to be sent off to. Like somewhere besides any state considered part of the midwest and any state that has a greater trend in serial killers in their population they’re willing to claim than all of the other states felt like owning up to. Yes, send me to all the states that actively search for ways they can lie to people. Best way I can think of to spend some paid time – hiding in places that I’m hoping serial killers won’t take the time to look for me and go on to the next option from the list.

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  257. on November 1, 2009 at 8:09 pm Personal trainer

    Just found this site today and I can’t believe how badly I forgot my asshole game, I sure could use some help and welcome any suggestions. I`m getting older (40s) but still score a few in their 20s, recently 25. She had a boyfriend and I had to hear all the dumbshit about him but that was an opportunity for me when she started talking about him. After our first time out (mall shopping) she came over on her lunch hour and I shagged her hard. Things were going great and she recently moved out. Then she got all cold, blew me off once and then gave me the “I need some time to think about things BS” and I just texted her “I need to move on”. She wanted me to train her and then I told her I was seeing someone else and thought that would be a conflict. I know her X made a big play to kiss her ass and she got her freedom after living with this guy but dont think its worth it at this time to still play the game. I need to stop being Mr Nice, helpful asshole and become jerkoff asshole at times. Im a Personal Chef and I work that with women but often have to deceive for time because I work part time and go the gym. Basically my life these days, after divorce fallout need something to get my game back.

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  258. on November 3, 2009 at 6:01 am msexceptiontotherule

    Well, if you were female, it’s likely that the advice would be to kill yourself now because there’s no chance anyone will want you at the present age let alone at any point over the years before you die.

    However, since you’re not, you should totally overhaul anything from your exterior presentation that may be making you look old and unlikely to be anything interesting to women in their 20’s. Oh yeah, and when you find out they have a boyfriend and then start talking about him in great detail – seriously consider whether or not a few sessions banging them is worth having to sit there and listen while they talk about their boyfriend in great detail.

    And make sure you don’t do anything creepy when you’re out in a social setting where there’s a large crowd with significant option potential. This would mean avoiding the bars practically on any college campus in the area and go to the ones a little ways away that don’t let anyone get away with fake ids and don’t usually only have MGD/Budweiser maybe a few ridiculous options in a bottle and that’s it.

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  259. on November 3, 2009 at 12:50 pm personal trainer

    ROTGLMAO!

    I cant help that Im such a good listener and men my age who are attractive to a sector of 20 something women dont practice social setting etiquette. We just look and feel 30 something because we do.

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  260. on November 3, 2009 at 1:49 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Sure you can, just take advice from many of the posts here:

    Fake it until it’s not fake anymore. Otherwise, I’m sorry but you’re doomed to a life of something…not sure what it is but it certainly seems unlikely that any of the guys here won’t rip you apart over whatever it is, because it’s not anything like what they’re practicing on getting themselves. And regardless, they will make sure to remind you it’s beta, and they will also remind you that (according to them) you will never be alpha by thinking the way you do to be called a beta.

    (sigh) God, I though by now it would be common knowledge that men can always find a way to be something if they had the idea to be it in the first place. Women, however, are limited to what they have and generally that’s less as time goes on. Somewhere in the world, a woman with billions of dollars just hit an age where even that doesn’t make her attractive to men.

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  261. *sigh*

    why do all the plain girls put up some cutesy birdy princess Scarlett O’Hara avatar to hide behind.

    gimme a ballsy bitch with glasses or Sade lips

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  262. on November 3, 2009 at 2:02 pm personal trainer

    Im going to give it my best part. I think of it as a role in life and I have to be the actor. Its really not me but I was Mr asshole when I was driven to be an Executive VP at 25.

    Now after divorce and raising kids and a lost fortune, I have bounce or get run over for the rest of my life. Fk that.

    Im just sick of watching some friends or guys at the gym treat women as I would say shitty and they hav no problem getting 9s and 10s. I believe women hold all the cards and its time to turn the tables.

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  263. on November 3, 2009 at 2:08 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””(sigh) God, I though by now it would be common knowledge that men can always find a way to be something if they had the idea to be it in the first place. Women, however, are limited to what they have and generally that’s less as time goes on. Somewhere in the world, a woman with billions of dollars just hit an age where even that doesn’t make her attractive to men.

    ”””””

    That might deserve a post. Although with viagra I guess could still get some for billionaire chic. It is somewhat equal now.

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  264. on November 3, 2009 at 2:14 pm Steve Johnson

    “Somewhere in the world, a woman with billions of dollars just hit an age where even that doesn’t make her attractive to men.”

    Really?

    There’s 30 year old female billionaire?

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  265. hey, if this “Miss 30 year-old moneybags” is hiding behind a cute avatar, i wont mind putting a bag over her head, turning out the lights and plowing ahead.

    for i expect to have a lot of bills this holiday season
    and i want them paid.
    if girls get free trips
    and free rent
    because of the ass they were born with,
    my peener wants
    equal rights

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  266. on November 3, 2009 at 3:24 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Firepower:

    The avatar stays
    because
    I don’t
    Like doing things that people
    try and bait me
    into

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  267. on November 3, 2009 at 3:34 pm msexceptiontotherule

    ….and…..

    I’m not
    gonna
    make
    it that easy.

    * not * stupid.

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  268. on November 3, 2009 at 3:36 pm personal trainer

    Well all hav fun, I am off the the gym to train a client (female)…..Hope to game a honey if I run into one..bye

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  269. msexceptiontotherule

    Firepower:

    I don’t
    Like doing things that people
    try and bait me
    into

    ok, you never get laid, nbd
    virgins can b cool –
    its the new black

    are you saying its your av that IS scarlett?

    fiddle-dee-dee

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  270. on November 3, 2009 at 4:28 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Wait…you mean that people bait someone into sleeping with them? I thought that only happened in after school movies they used to try and scare people into waiting.

    I guess there are more benefits in having relationship-engaged-married and off the market than anyone could imagine.

    With the current state of things, I might have been better off if I was from a culture that would dictate death or being cast out and shunned forever.

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  271. on November 3, 2009 at 4:32 pm msexceptiontotherule

    well, at least death or cast out and shunned forever after your husband dies. I don’t think it would have the same plus side if I just had to off myself arbitrarily. If they were looking for recruits, that would *not* be one I’d sign up for.

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  272. msexceptiontotherule

    Wait…you mean that people bait someone into sleeping with them?

    idk about others – just me. they never give up; women always try and use their tricks on me. ok, so I’m human

    I thought that only happened in after school movies they used to try and scare people into waiting.

    i happen to luv those movies and still have a deep affection for them. they were the best thing to come along in legal viewing before the Miley Cyrus show.

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  273. on November 3, 2009 at 5:00 pm msexceptiontotherule

    “IT’S MILEY!!!” (insert weird guy wearing a bikini top in background because when it’s for no apparent reason, it’s funny.)

    Hey, at least she smiles a lot. I don’t remember a whole lot of smiling going on during the after school movies that were intended to substitute for parents. Maybe it’s only remembered that way because I actually had parents then and I still have them now – even if across the country.

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  274. if you like Tim & Eric Awesome Show, then there is hope for you.

    As far as stern Victorian parents go in inlfuencing your pre-pubescent years, I’m all for that. Without them, there’d be no easy supply of girls into B&D

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  275. on November 3, 2009 at 5:37 pm msexceptiontotherule

    Hold on….I’m trying to supress the urge to stab a co-worker without qualudes for the assist.

    Ok.

    I wouldn’t say Victorian, more like Christian Conservatives that thought all bad things could be avoided if they just set curfew at 9pm. Like bad things couldn’t happen during the day. Of course, the fact that they were both teachers pretty much made sure that if I DID entertain the idea, bad things would not happen during the day either.

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  276. G comes across as overly smug.

    Chris comes across as a character from one of those Lifetime movies about stereotypical insecure girlfriend-beaters. The girl isn’t toying with him, she’s giving him the benefit of the doubt. But she has the nagging feeling (which will prevent her from sleeping with or dating him) that he’s crazy.

    biktopia is stating the obvious; why did you even include that?

    vicmackey sounds like a really nice guy who seriously lacks confidence. Which would explain why he’s asking a blogger for dating advice.

    Fatal flaw for every guy you counsel: STOP TEXTING. IT MAKES YOU SEEM LIKE A PUSSY WHO’S SCARED OF FUCKING UP DURING ACTUAL CONVERSATIONS.

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  277. “Why do men bother to get married? There’s really nothing in it for them. All that marriage offers a man can be had in a loving, long term relationship.’

    Well yeah, duh. And it’s exactly the same situation for women. At least in the U.S. So I would ask, why do women bother to get married? What do women get out of it? Women don’t even need a husband to have children these days. We can order sperm from a 6′ tall, blue-eyed Ivy-educated alpha from an internet sperm bank. (Or we can just adopt. Look at Angelina Jolie.) And, importantly, we can earn our own money to support ourselves and any offspring we want to have (for those women who want that anyway, and it’s not every woman). So don’t flatter yourself into thinking that somebody is out there desperate to fool you into committing your life to you. I would say that goes for both men and women.

    You are not a Catch. Don’t delude yourself. And with every passing day, you become less of a Catch and more of a Reject.

    Who cares about marriage? Marriage is a meaningless institution in America these days. And God doesn’t exist. Neither does Santa Claus.

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  278. on November 4, 2009 at 5:02 am personal trainer

    Natasha F.

    Your right and furthermore besides having the seldom urge or need to pay some bills where a girls gotta suk a real dick with a guy attached to it, all Missy really needs is a few dildos and fresh batteries (at least one for the car and one for the house) to keep her company and a bunch of friends to compare and sometimes help out with.

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  279. […] 7, 2009 by roissy Time for another round of alpha assessment, where readers send in their examples of game they’ve run and hope to be judged worthy of […]

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