Women’s Standards Crumble Easily Given The Right Incentives

Maxim #39: A woman’s standards are like a house of cards: kick out one from the bottom and the whole edifice crashes down.

I was mingling with some friends, a mixed group, when one of the girls — 7.5, ~0.75 waist-hip ratio, lithe, A cups, mid-20s (because this info is vital to any discussion) — piped up about her standards in men. She went on for some length describing the kind of man she would deign to date. (She is single.) Now based on looks, age and lack of sprog baggage, she has the sexual market value to make some weighty demands. And she knew that on a logical level. Her 463 bullet point checklist she recited was quite impressive in its detail:

  • worldly and well-travelled; must have been someplace besides Europe
  • athletic; football or lacrosse player at a Div 1-A school preferred
  • spontaneous
  • generous; must have done volunteer work at some point in life
  • Cute but with a rugged edge; a cross between Orlando Bloom and Christian Bale
  • good conversationalist; can speak intelligently on any number of subjects, but especially film history
  • stylish; not a J. Crew guy, but more like a Banana Republic-slash-Marc Jacobs guy
  • muscular, but not too beefy; deltoids must be developed to bulging perfection
  • tall, but not more than 8 inches taller than her
  • a connoisseur of fine wine
  • shuns video games

This was not the full list. It is the list I could remember for this post. Two weeks later, we all met again, and this time she was with a man, someone she had just started dating. He was:

  • a full-time bartender
  • a local who has never left the country (yes, he admitted this, with some pride)
  • dressed in jeans and a button-down
  • a couple inches taller than her (average male height)
  • a state school grad
  • tattooed
  • a very chill, amiable guy; you could see yourself having a beer with him
  • not particularly built, but not fat either
  • better than average looking, but no Christian Bale
  • socially savvy, but not intellectual
  • confident
  • a big video gamer (we discussed the finer points of the Kinect)

I hope you can see where I’m going with this. What she claimed were her inviolable standards and what kind of man she actually dated were very different. And she seemed oblivious to the disconnect. Bless her cutie pie hamster.

This isn’t the only example of a woman’s standards not being worth the mental paper they’re written on. I’m sure we’re all acquainted with the online spectacle of average-looking, and even ugly fat chicks, pumping their dating site profiles and Craigslist personals full of demands that would make a princess blush. But oh how quickly those standards evaporate when the harsh klieg lights of reality intrude!

A woman’s standards, however emphatically and insistently declared, are more like a fantasy dating team: free of the constraints of market barter, she happily indulges in a little of the ol’ ultradelusion. That is, if you ask a woman her standards, you will never —

and I mean never

— get an honest and realistic answer from her.

This is because women are, on the whole, incapable of accurate self-assessment. A woman’s prime directive in life is to sell herself the moon. A man’s directive is to sidestep paying her inflated price for that moon.

Given the right incentives, every woman’s standards will wilt into accommodation. And by incentives, I mean everything from the sex ratio to her actual sexual worth to the subversive level of game the man plays. A single, smart 60 year old woman, financially well-off and occupationally accomplished, can demand in the most florid and haughty language a sophisticated and wealthy man all she wants, but where the rubber meets the road she will jettison most of her ridiculously unrealistic standards for an average old schlub who tickles her pink because he managed not to fall asleep during an hour long dinner date with her.

And the hot young babe who wants the Hollywood caricature? Well, as we can see by the above anecdote, (played out millions of times over across this great land), if the guy is cool, aloof and has game, and maybe has the sort of conventionally low-status job that puts him in direct contact with lots of competitor women, our 463 bullet point heroine is gonna shred her list of demands like so many Vince Foster papers. (Why couldn’t the verklempft fag leak those cables?)

That’s the meaning of Maxim #39. If you have game, that is like pulling a card from the bottom of her stack of standards; she will quickly forget all about the cards on top that you aren’t holding.

Now women, being constitutionally hypergamous in a way that relatively more indiscriminate men aren’t, will by nature have more and higher standards than men, and will more often than men attempt to satisfy those standards. This leads to the laughable phenomenon of single mid 30s lawyer chicks futilely chasing after the same kind of guys they did when they were in college, except this time around the guys aren’t even bothering to give them the gratification of a pretend commitment.

But this shouldn’t dissuade you from recognizing a very important truth — for all their bluster and trumped-up demands, women will surrender rather easily to a dude with a righteous tattoo.





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  1. Really, there’s only one bullet point that matters…

    * – makes her tingle

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  2. No offense to the bartender guy, but I laughed out loud when I got that part.

    Not that I was especially surprised, it’s just that there’s sweet justice in seeing the “impossible standards” girl get brought to reality.

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  3. By the way, not to blog pimp, but I wrote a theme song for my blog and what with you being a fellow geetar player, you should check it out.

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  4. Here is her picture:

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  5. And, the corollary to this story is this:

    My old roommate is most, if not all, of the former attributes:

    – Good looking
    – Tall (6’0)
    – Good job ($100k+ at 27)
    – Owns his own home
    – Drives Porsche
    – In pretty good shape
    – Great style
    – Well-traveled (beyond Europe)
    – Decent cook and wine guy
    – Athletic (ex-lacross and ice hockey player)
    – Punctual

    The list goes on…

    He was dating a woman quite similar to the one Chateau was with – early 20’s, blonde, trim, gorgeous, fun, sexy – who had said much the same about what she wanted in a man.

    His downfall? No game and always kowtowing to her every mercurial need.

    That lasted all of 5 weeks. Who is she dating now? Frat chodes with some alpha cred.

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  6. on December 14, 2010 at 2:03 pm The Man Who Was . . .

    All true, but in order to get around the bullet point list you must get the bang quickly. The longer you wait the longer she has to think about how you don’t measure up.

    This is the bane of dating church girls who you aren’t sleeping with. Roosh’s experience in Argentina is apt, “Be cool as fuck and hope for the best.”

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  7. even the lowest of men is superior to the highest of women,
    and more often than not, gets to bed her.

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  8. I have no illusions that without game, I’d have been with any of the women I’ve been with for the past 3 years.

    No chance.

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  9. women will surrender rather easily to a dude with a righteous tattoo.

    ah the list. the reality. The celebrity press noted this phenomenon awhile back…all these hot starlets ending up with “some dude.”

    It goes with 5 minutes of alpha >> 5 years of beta, overpursuit and overselfqualifying are killers.

    It makes me wonder if this whole romancing thing (falling head over heels and giving flowers) isn’t some sort of bizarre joke to make men disqualify themselves.

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  10. Ah, the female’s ability to have no principle. Experienced that just last night. A good cure for a bitchy, self entitled woman? Asshole game. In spades.

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  11. another beta recounts his horror at trying to be good to women :

    http://minaretblog.com/?p=1216

    I once watched my roommate pick a flower from a bush and hand it to a girl and say, “Here.” She was happy for days.

    LOL

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  12. Very funny. Agree basically with Retrenched above. Both men and women carry around an ideal type in their minds, their imaginary perfect mates. But hypergamy makes the female version of this comically overdone. (I guess that’s why the checklist is always 463 points- that seems to have become a stock phrase of this site.) Also as noted every week here, women know very little about their own drives, and what they think they know is usually wrong.

    Question though: Can tatted-bartender-gamer dude keep her for the long term? Does he want to? Silly question.

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  13. And she knew that on a logical level. Her 463 bullet point checklist she recited was quite impressive in its detail:

    beh – I’ve seen the picture: these points all describe roosh

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  14. @ The Man Who Was…

    “The longer you wait the longer she has to think about how you don’t measure up.”

    The flip side is that, once you actually bang her, her hamster will start to work in your favor, and she will come up with more reasons to be attracted to you.

    EvoPsychs would probably refer to that as the bonding stage of the mating dance.

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  15. We usually have different requirements as to what we are looking for in a husband versus what qualities we want in a lover, although there is some overlap.

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  16. Yes, having basic alpha qualities will often be sufficient to get an attractive girl if conditions are right (no boyfriend, meeting under propitious conditions, etc.). But, if you have most of the qualities in that list (which is pretty universal among urban girls) AND are aloof-alpha, you will be an unstoppable juggernaut with a meet to lay average in the Ted Williams range and generally have massive leverage within any LTR. A side effect will be a draining of your ambition to gain greater success or status, since you live in such a state of contentment at your present level.

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  17. good read, asspreciation day

    some do believe in those points, the crazy mental ones

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  18. Yeah, I laughed out loud at the “bartender” part as well. Retrenched is right – tingle is what matters. My high-status, high-paying professional job counts for very little when gaming girls. A ride on my crappy old bike, on the other hand…

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  19. @Lara
    “We usually have different requirements as to what we are looking for in a husband versus what qualities we want in a lover, although there is some overlap.”

    Lara, you took the words right out of my mouth. Totally agree.

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  20. Excellent post.

    Both men and women have ridiculously high standards. I’m sure men reading this have also been in the situation where you find a woman who is amazing, but there’s just one or two things that are wrong with her. You have this latent desire to go out and keep searching for that perfect woman.

    But if a woman has great game, all of a sudden you forget about those imperfections. In fact, you’re getting dicked around and are in such an emotional hole, that you are trying desperately to remind yourself of all the reasons that this girl isn’t right for you. All the while, every fiber of your being is telling you to jump at the chance with this girl, to do everything you can to win her over.

    That’s game for you.

    Everyone walks around with a logical assessment of who they are looking for. Logically, we want someone slightly better than ourselves, better than we could get. Game plays on the emotional intangibles, tweaking (not negating) the tangibles so that an elicitation of emotions on your part makes this person desirable, regardless of logic.

    True love. The end.

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  21. Hey, what, I’m going to run a test on you.

    Do you feel good or bad right now?

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  22. Yeah, I laughed out loud at the “bartender” part as well. Retrenched is right – tingle is what matters.

    It is sick, but even a schmoe with a shitty job gets poon if he can DHV: Bartenders are THE center of attention and that’s all enough needed to trick her little lizard brain into moistness.

    Hell, even a Shriner on a tiny bike in a parade gets laid.
    More so, when she finds out gramps is the millionaire owner of a trucking company.

    Status bestowed on an man even for worthless skills such as Quarterback are only – only – worth their weight in pussy.

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  23. this is why i don’t listen to bitches. during intercourse if she yells, stop! i keep on going.

    wait, whatt…

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  24. c,

    What kind of test? everything depends. he!

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  25. There is but one standard:

    Does the vaj tingle.

    Now,

    The vaj tingle is a two tone flute:

    Is he desired by other women?
    Is he aloof to this one woman?

    Hit these two tones,

    And you got yourself the Symphony of the Falls at the Niagara.

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  26. So far your grade is not so good.

    Are you feeling bad right now? Or good?

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  27. Tingles can ONLY go so far….ohoh…don’t listen to me after all I’m JUST a girl. hehe haha!!

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  28. A woman’s public requirements in a man are usually nothing more than an indirect way of padding her own resume – if she can get you to believe she’s entitled to such a high quality man, she must be quality herself, right?

    Who she eventually goes out with is another thing altogether.

    At the end of the day, the man is the prize and the woman is the beneficiary. She will be as economical with the truth as any other actor in a similar commercial setting – think used car salesman.

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  29. c,
    yours not good either! lol!!

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  30. Don’t be shy. I think we can get you above an F+.

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  31. LARA WROTE:

    “We usually have different requirements as to what we are looking for in a husband versus what qualities we want in a lover, although there is some overlap.”

    Typical gyne assisinity. For centuries this was called ADULTERY. Make a commitment and stick to it already. Put the princess entitlement dreams aside, Kupcake.

    ALWAYS REMEMBER: “The job of wife has been outsourced to foreign countries.” LOL

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  32. The problem with idealizations – and make no mistake, the “perfect man/woman” is simple idealization – is that a woman’s ego progressively becomes more invested in the fantasy the older she gets. The cruel reality is that as they age they lose more and more of the capacity to attract anything like that idealization until they reach critical mass when they hit the Wall.

    The double whammy of coming to psychological terms with having to compromise her prerequisites and realizing she can’t possibly attract her ideal Man after hitting the Wall is often too much to bear. Enter feminine social conventions; social mechanisms that reduce the impact of hitting that rubicon like “you’re a cougar, you still got it and look at Demi Moore and Ashton” are there waiting just beyond the Wall like a nice comfy bath.

    One thing women struggle to protect is a positive self-image in light of, and in spite of the looming Wall. The more important the aspect of her self-image that’s challenged by the truth, the more likely she is to go into denial. When she has a strong sense of self-worth (i.e. her youth) and competence her self-image can take hits but remain largely intact; when she’s beset by self-doubt, however, any acknowledgment of failure can be devastating and any admission of error painful to the point of being unthinkable. Self-justification and denial arise from the dissonance between believing you’re competent, and making a mistake, which clashes with that image. Solution: deny the mistake.

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  33. c,

    only an F+?

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  34. We all need to be realistic about our choices and ourselves. How you play the game can only be done realistically based on your own market value. My guy IS what I am looking for. I waited for this but never settled for any other. We all have our own quirkiness and my guy can handle me and my quirkiness and that’s mighty fine with me. I know I have my quirkiness. I know myself well and that’s where we all need to start.

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  35. Decades ago, before I knew squat about game, I knew, and articulated this much-
    When you ask a woman to describe what sort of man she would be romantically interested in, she will rapidly list a string of must-have attributes; paradoxically, the man she is currently [B]fucking[/B] is often [B]none[/B] of those things.

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  36. namae nanka —

    Haha great link. This part made me laugh it up:

    “Some girls out there are saying that these ladies were just stupid and had low self-esteem and that they would never be like that. I know I was outraged when I saw him buy a girl a burrito and get a bigger response than the stupidly expensive earrings I bought my girl.”

    When skittles just won’t do, notch up to the burrito!

    Guys who buy expensive shit for girls never learn.

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  37. on December 14, 2010 at 4:19 pm AlphaWalksIntoABar

    What’s more Alpha, sitting at the bar or standing and approaching around the bar?

    I like to goto bars around 9 before it gets crowded. That way I can get a seat and chat up the staff.
    The problem is: if I’m sitting, I’m not approaching.

    Do you wave the girls over?

    If you are standing, then it’s just a matter of a few steps and opening the set, but then you lose the seat.
    Also when I’m standing, everyone seems to notice me more. ( I’m a muscular 6’2″ white dude, usually the biggest guy in the room.)

    It can be hard to hear girls if they’re sitting so there can be tendency to peck.
    I usually remember to turn my head and point to my ear to indicate speak louder, or I’ll tell them, but I still miss some of the details.

    Also, it can be difficult “to lock in” if there aren’t any seats available.

    How do you handle this situation?

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  38. on December 14, 2010 at 4:28 pm Malcolm Tucker

    @Rollo

    The cruel reality is that as they age they lose more and more of the capacity to attract anything like that idealization until they reach critical mass when they hit the Wall.

    All in all I’m just another dick in the Wall.

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  39. R,

    Did she actually knock J Crew in favor of Banana Republic? Not to stick up for J Crew in particular… but Banana Republic held up as stylish? This is the place that supplies the type of guy who owns square toed black shoes with his untucked dress shirts covered with thin vertical stripes. At least J Crew pulls in stuff from Belstaff, Sea Vees, etc.

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  40. What’s more dangerous is that while women may have this list of idealizations, at least in Hong Kong and often in China, they’re quite realistic and willing to “settle” for someone who is “nice”….

    Until I discovered game a year ago, I never understood why or what was happening.

    Now, I have gamed or had women game me in front of their boyfriends without the “boyfriend’s” slightest protestations or attempts to stop me.

    I’ve also gamed and banged at least two married women who rationalized their infidelity.

    And yes….as some poster above writes, within 6 months you’d see them with another chode…often another beta.

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  41. @walawala

    I’ve also gamed and banged at least two married women who rationalized their infidelity.

    Also true in Korea. Women have an amazing ability to do this. Men know they’re fucking around. Women can rationalize it and blame it on everything but their own hormones or their own duplicity. They can even blame their husband.

    I didn’t know it, before I left and came back, but it’s equally true in the US, too. It’s just different. Less honest. It happens just as much.

    In fact, there are certain groups of married women it’s almost absurdly easy to game.

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  42. @awiab

    “Do you wave the girls over?”

    Sometimes I just tell them to come over. Make a few light comments with them, maybe about what’s on the tv, what the bartender is talking about, whatever. Then at some point you’ll sense the right time to say “Come over here and sit down.” Push the stool out for her with a look of amused detachment. They’ll come over.

    CH explains the dynamics of this, but you can go far by keeping it simple. If you and a woman get interested in something together, especially if there’s laughter, so it’s not this tense evaluative situation between the two of you, you can pretty much tell the woman what to do.

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  43. What Lara said. Chicks have 2 categories for desirable men. Mr. Right and Mr. Right Here Right Now. Of course, these sluts need someone to fuck while they look for Mr. Right – until they hit the wall. Then the caliber of Mr. Right Here Right Now that they can attract no longer gives them the ‘gina tingles and Mr. Right is now only a fantasy which results in them sitting around and bitching about how there are no ‘Good Men’ out there.

    Perhaps if they hadn’t been fucking Mr. Right Here Right Now, they wouldn’t have missed meeting Mr. Right.

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  44. For all the perverts:

    Man CASTRATES the 57-yr-old lover of his 17-yr-old lover

    Helmut Seifert, 47, an ethnic German originally from Russia, was enraged when he heard his 17-year-old daughter was having a relationship with Phillip Genscher, 57. He went to police in the town of Bielefeld where he lives but officers said they were powerless to intervene.

    “The man then recruited two work colleagues at his factory and then went to the house of the victim,” said police.”The man was forced to remove his trousers and, fully conscious, he was castrated. The severed testicles were taken away by the perpetrator.” The man was close to bleeding to death but managed to call police. His life was saved but he remains a eunuch for life. Seifert pleaded guilty and will be on trial for attempted murder next year. But he has remained silent on who his accomplices were.

    He told police: “I received a phone call anonymously that my daughter was involved with a guy 40 years older than her. You said you couldn’t stop him – so I did. “I saw it as my duty as a father.

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  45. @ RF Interference

    Advice please. I want to appear at least semi-stylish but I’m on a tight budget. Thanks

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  46. Any time I hear “Wine connoisseur” I smirk.

    Fact: in blind tests, sommeliers (“wine experts”) cannot distinguish cheap-piss wine from “high quality” wine. They can even mistake white win for red if they’re expecting it to be red.

    The truth is, demonstrating a taste for fine wines is a form of status whoring, or cultural capital – trying to show off, like the twat you are. The “superior taste” of expensive wines is purely psychological; it has no grounding in the physical properties of the wine itself.

    From the psychology of wine tasting comes a takeaway truth: Expectations warp reality.

    The implications for game are obvious.

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  47. Gorbachev wrote:

    “Women can rationalize it and blame it on everything but their own hormones or their own duplicity”

    Following up on this, I was out with – and then inside of – a married woman that cheats with me Friday night, and she started memorializing Elizabeth Edwards for railing against John Edwards for being a cheater!

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  48. Flahute,

    You (and Lara, and what, etc..) really don’t know, do you.

    Unreal. Totally unreflective. Still.

    “Perhaps if they hadn’t been fucking Mr. Right Here Right Now, they wouldn’t have missed meeting Mr. Right.”

    No, you still would have missed him. You missed hundreds of him. You never did in fact want him. The interesting question is whether his hitting your bullet points turned you off (assumed try hard?) or whether it was his beta behavior.

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  49. @ Legion.

    No surprise here. I’ve always been with Costanza on the wine issue: “You telling me that wine is better than Pepsi?”

    Of course, my date Friday night had to have a $15 glass of wine, which she took about 2 sips of. And the filet mignon. And a dessert …

    Yes, I know what most of you are thinking. I always thought married women that were cheating were cheap to date, too.

    Not this one.

    That night she also asked for a Louis Vuitton wallet for Christmas. The cheapest one in the store was $390, and I ain’t getting it for her. I could have a threesome with two hot 20 year olds for less money.

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  50. Yeah, that’s the thing – back in beta days, I hit all the items on your list and regularly didn’t get the girls with the lists. Maybe it was because part of the reason I hit them all was in order to get them?

    It was actually more trying to do the Bill Murray in Groundhog Day thing, which is primarily about Inner Game, but of course also lands Andie McDowell.

    There were few Andies pre-game.

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  51. The only time being well-traveled really pays off is when you’ve been to a country she has, or better yet, a country she is from.

    Unless she is the traveler type, she won’t care a whole lot about some random shithole country. But at the minimum it gives you something to talk about that isn’t related to video games or sports.

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  52. Lara said: “We usually have different requirements as to what we are looking for in a husband versus what qualities we want in a lover, although there is some overlap.”

    Please, pray tell, what are the specs exactly. Usually women blow off the husband for the lover, try to convert the lover into the husband, get left by the lover for another woman, find all the husbands offended/disgusted unless they they move out of state (and, typically, start over looking for lovers again), then end up living alone with a lot of cats instead.

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  53. Standards? They have standards? (Only when the ‘gina isn’t tingling.)

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  54. Gentlemen, gentlemen,..let us never forget,..when confronted by the amorphous idealizations of women, both in their prime and post-hitting-the-wall,…

    You are merely an Alpha agent of righteous karma.

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  55. When the bad boy walks in the room, a woman’s list of requirements goes out the window. When the beta walks in, her pussy snaps shut and the list comes back. God damn life so predictable!

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  56. My current woman often tells me how orthagonal I am to her “ideal” man. This does not prohibit frequent intimacy.

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  57. Re: Anon 77

    On a budget, in order of importance:

    1. Find a good tailor. Ask around, read business reviews in your area, etc. Fit is the most important thing and if you’re on a budget you’re going to need to get stuff altered as opposed to having it made specifically for you. Off the rack clothing is cut so it’ll get the fewest complains and cover the greatest number of people, not to fit you or anyone in particular, though you can get lucky. My tailor charges $8 to hem pants, that’s how little it costs to avoid pools of fabric around my ankles messing up otherwise nice trousers as an example.

    2. Read a bunch of menswear blogs, there are all kinds from different scenes and they’ll all link to and repost each others stuff within a scene. Whatever looks good to you, go with it. From reading them, figure out which versatile, basic staples you need and buy the best you can afford. Quality over quantity. Almost everybody has too many clothes in America. Really think about the essentials you need and get them. Make sure they can be used in different types of outfits. Think about quality of construction and cost-per-wear. Getting a $19.99 wool sweater from Target made with short fibers so it pills like crazy after the third time you wear it is actually more expensive in the long run given how soon you’ll need to replace it.

    3. Substitute time and effort for a lack of money. Hit eBay and thrift stores all the time, with a firm idea of exactly what you need to acquire. Buy classic staples out of season when they go on sale. Then bring your finds to your tailor and have them altered so they fit you specifically.

    4. Don’t get discouraged by dicks on style forum and the like who answer every question with, “You can’t get a good X for only Y amount of money.” You can, it just takes effort and patience, and know they’re just posturing to try and sell you what rich, awesome internet bad asses they are, which is totally the point of answering other people’s questions.

    5. There is no ultimate right and wrong, but it will be helpful to understand why “the rules” exist before you start breaking them. Pleats can be just fine (especially reverse pleats), they’re just tougher to pull off than flat front pants.

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  58. on December 14, 2010 at 7:36 pm Vincent Ignatius

    Every time I express interest in a girl and someone says “you’re not her type” I laugh right in their face. The connection between what a girl wants and what she says she wants is almost nil.

    Game is far more important than anything else. Standards mean nothing. My roommate failed to bag a chick that came to our house party recently.

    Roommate: She just wasn’t into me.
    VI: If I could have magically taken over your body for the night and used my game on her, she would be in that room sucking dick right now.

    Objectively, my roommate is far more physically attractive than I am. But he has no game.

    Dirk
    Following up on this, I was out with – and then inside of – a married woman that cheats with me Friday night, and she started memorializing Elizabeth Edwards for railing against John Edwards for being a cheater!

    That shit is gold.

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  59. “@Lara
    “We usually have different requirements as to what we are looking for in a husband versus what qualities we want in a lover, although there is some overlap.””

    There you have it men. Why would you ever get married if you are viewed as something all together different from a lover. The subtext here is obvious:

    Husband = responsible beta sap with money that can be slowly drained, like how a parasite drains its host but keeps it alive

    Lover = bad boy that inspires tingles because of/in spite of, his lack of money, morals, and accountability.

    One gets laid, the other pays half his lifeblood in brutal divorce. Which would the sensible man rather be?

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  60. Cute but with a rugged edge; a cross between Orlando Bloom and Christian Bale

    she has good taste. Those two are very good looking. I would add James Franco in with the other two.

    Looking at Christian Bale in American Psycho weired me out.

    I girls list is her ideal. just like you men have an ideal list of traits but settle.

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  61. The point about Demi and Ashton raises an interesting concept I hadn’t realized until now: I think that most women fail to understand the concept of probabilities. They think that any single exception disproves a statistical generality, when a generality is just that. This same failure to understand probabilities applies when they discuss things like race, crime, education, etc. etc.

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  62. http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/07/2503223/ex-etiquette-they-think-youre.html

    For the man concerned about paternity: shame, shame, and more shame. And, oh yeah, suck it up and pay!

    For the whoring woman: she deserves respect.

    It wouldn’t be so disturbing if the female responses to queries like this weren’t so damned predictable.

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  63. on December 14, 2010 at 8:24 pm Finger's Breath

    This post is the exact reason why I overlook just about everything in any girl’s online dating profile.

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  64. lulz.

    what i want:
    – not stylish aka gay
    – not smart (dumb = high t = hot)
    – not rich or materialistic, but also not a hipster/hippie/environmentalist freak/weirdly generous volunteer
    – plays video games with me
    – likes to sit around and watch sports
    – works out like a man

    basically, a hot guy with nothing else to bring to the table is a good bet.

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  65. “Every time I express interest in a girl and someone says “you’re not her type” I laugh right in their face. The connection between what a girl wants and what she says she wants is almost nil.”

    We’re having a big debate about “type” on Haley’s Halo right now. I’m arguing that “type” is just social checklisting and rationalization – what a woman wants to be seen dating, and goes out the window for a guy with some game.

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  66. Patrick

    Guys who buy expensive shit for girls never learn.

    On the other hand…

    I occasionally take one of my girls clothes shopping and let her go on a spree. Spree being $100 or $150, which goes a long way in Indonesia, where you can get a decent dress or pair of shoes for 10 bucks. The fact is, she needs the clothes. This sets me up in the provider role, which is a good thing. I tangibly improve her life, and her gaggle of friends will have good things to cackle about.

    Considering she knows I have other girlfriends, and considering that I’ve had to give her antibiotics for some gift some random girl gave me some weeks ago, playing provider is strategic policy.

    In general, playing provider is strategic policy. Giving status gifts is not playing provider, that’s playing trick.

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  67. Not only a true post, but so damned well written! I thought I knew women, but man… YOU know women! This post is right on so many levels- I am not a great looking guy by most standards- a little heavy- round face- (I have a height advantage thought in that I am 6’3″) but you are right- a little game and their whole list of shitty “standards” falls to pieces. I have never ever had problems bagging 9’s and 10’s.

    I am one confident bastard, and I can tell you that no matter what a girls “standards” are, they a bullshit when a real alpha enters the room. I do believe in “types” but I don’t believe in “leagues.” Any man can have any woman he wants- married, engaged, single, with the right amount of confidence and game. (I make no statements here about “ethics,” that is just a fact of nature!)

    I thoroughly enjoy your posts and your website!

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  68. the said: “basically, a hot guy with nothing else to bring to the table is a good bet.”

    I’m sorry I moved out of my parents house, went to college, got a job and made something of myself… this sucks.

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  69. I also let her order extra take out to bring home to her dorm sisters.

    You want to keep her friends wanting her to keep you.

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  70. I’m arguing that “type” is just social checklisting and rationalization – what a woman wants to be seen dating, and goes out the window for a guy with some game.

    When I hunt on dating sites, I ignore what age group the girl is looking for. I ignore anything about what she is looking for. Sometimes a girl will mention she wants romance and serious relationship only. Fun only. The information gets registered, then filed, where it can safely be ignored.

    I lie about my age to help get the first meeting.

    Because I know that no matter what she thinks she wants, if I can just get her to meet me in person, I’ve got a fair chance to get her alone in my room. And if I can just get her alone in my room, I’ve got a fair chance to bed her. And if I can just bed her, I’ve got a fair chance to date her. It’s all done in person, based on moves and charisma and charm and amplification of mutual chemistry.

    I’ve found that I can aim way over my head with girls who are in no way looking for my type. They will later claim “chemistry”.

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  71. Reminds me of Snooki the hobgoblin on Jersey Shore Miami listing off her want list of guido attributes. Of course, her revealing to the world that she is a festering cesspool of disfunctionality never crosser her mind that maybe the best she could hope for is a guy with a pulse.

    Her list had about 10 attributes. I would love to fast-forward about 10 years and see the revised list. Jersey Shore and Teen Mom were great shows to observe the dating habits of the modern woman.

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  72. “I’m sorry I moved out of my parents house, went to college, got a job and made something of myself… this sucks.”

    r u hot? hahaha.

    obviously most girls aren’t averse to guys with something to bring to the table, but the point is that we don’t need it. if you can bring confidence, swagger, a good body, and a good time in bed, it doesn’t matter if you are rich/educated/smart or none of those things.

    hot guy + confidence + rich/educated/smart = sexy

    hot guy + confidence + poor/uneducated/dumb = sexy

    it’s like how nobody cares if you’ve got a phd or you barely passed the third grade if you’ve got 34dd-25-36 measurements. it’s not like either one will affect how guys like you — nobody. cares. same deal. looks are less important sure but looks + confidence (even if it’s false bravado) = potent combination. you don’t need the status markers if you come across as high status to begin with.

    the reason i put the above standards are because most rich/educated/smart guys are also trying to make up for something. let’s face it — if you can’t get girls, you do more with yourself so as to attain status. making money/being educated/having a good job are ways to attain status.

    as for being smart, well it’s been my observation that smarter (think nerds and geeks) generally = less testosterone.

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  73. Legion

    Fact: in blind tests, sommeliers (“wine experts”) cannot distinguish cheap-piss wine from “high quality” wine. They can even mistake white win for red if they’re expecting it to be red.

    That’s a bit of an exaggeration. Some low cost wine is of fair quality. Yes, expectations color perception, but they don’t create it. Wines have different flavors.

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  74. D.J.

    …and she started memorializing Elizabeth Edwards for railing against John Edwards for being a cheater!

    She’s just playing out an instinctive mental circuit. Like if someone throws a ball at you you will instinctively catch it. Women, all women, have an instinctive social role that they play. They can’t help it. Keep pussy expensive. Keep men in line within their designated provider roles.

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  75. @xsplat

    “I also let her order extra take out to bring home to her dorm sisters.

    You want to keep her friends wanting her to keep you.”

    GOLD.

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  76. http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/regional/071100ny-col-tierney.html

    “The question of custody absolutely swamps all the other variables,” Dr. Brinig said. “Children are the most important asset in a marriage, and the partner who expects to get sole custody is by far the most likely to file for divorce.”

    Women are much more willing to split up because — unlike men — they typically do not fear losing custody of the children. Instead, a divorce often enables them to gain control over the children.

    —————–

    Want a healthy relationship? Never give a woman the chance to exercise power.

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  77. I think there’s a pretty uncomplicated attribute of both sexes to have ‘ideals’ and implicitly accept settling for less in the real world, and then perhaps rationalising their real-world ‘choice’ of partner. Notice how that ugly/loser friend finds a partner who is their SMV equal or worse, and then their Facebook becomes a tidal wave of “isn’t he/she cute? :3” and pictures of the lovey-dovey smoochy couple. Attractive couples don’t do it, save that average friend who bags a hottie, but at least he has the common decency to limit it to a small handful of photos at most for the simple purpose of displaying his prize catch. Having been successful he invariably has acquired the game not to brag like he’s in new territory.

    Thing is, people correlate their high-SMV ideals corresponding high standards, so ‘approachability’ eventually begins to shape their ideals as part of a rationalisation process. It’s not a bad thing, for it gives people (at least guys) realistic goals. In that context though, learning game is about raising the bar, or at least getting out of the goddamn dumpster.

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  78. C

    father leaves, call him deadbeat, mother cheats, respect the ground she walks on.

    “If your bond with the oldest child can be so easily severed, we wonder what kind of father figure you will be for either child.”

    fcking bitch, let’s see her go around being mother figure for children of the world. Women are less rational when it comes to their children vs others’ children.

    “There is far more to being a father than biology. The fact that you can write this child off so easily is a serious character flaw.”

    as if they know.

    “As a result, if you break up with the mother, you will be entitled to parenting time and responsible for child support.

    lol

    “Jann Blackstone-Ford, Ph.D., and her husband’s ex-wife, Sharyl Jupe”

    umm wut?

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  79. “” Want a healthy relationship? Never give a woman the chance to exercise power. “”

    Yes , this is all well and good … but in most cases she will make every effort to exercise power and you either have to deal with this in an Alpha way …. or her ability to try and exercise power is inhibited by you being further up the scale in terms of overall value …. which usually means you ( the higher value male ) will sooner or later start to look elsewhere for something better anyway.

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  80. “as for being smart, well it’s been my observation that smarter (think nerds and geeks) generally = less testosterone.”

    You won’t find too many classic Alphas in academia and the ones that are there stand out by a mile.

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  81. The litmus test for a womans true value should be;

    If she did not have a pussy and titts , would you still want to talk to her.

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  82. “There is far more to being a father than biology.”

    Yeah, and there’s far more to my house than the foundation.

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  83. A woman in power and a man at her mercy is a wasteland in which the flower of attraction cannot survive. Modern marriage is an arrangement where the man lays his head beneath a guillotine and the woman is charged with holding the rope.

    More FTA:

    “In most states, including New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, mothers can fight for and usually win sole custody. But some states have recently begun making joint custody the presumptive norm.

    “That change in the law seems to be keeping more couples together, according to this study and other work by Dr. Brinig. She and colleagues have noted a decline in divorce in states with joint-custody laws. And when couples do divorce, fathers who share custody are less likely to renege on their child-support payments.”

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  84. Women are filth until proven otherwise.
    Every girl in western society has ridden the cock carousel in form or another.
    I’m part of the new generation of males who has learned game from a young age.
    Women stand no chance, the Misandry bubble will pop. Girls are useless and serve no purpose but sex. Us men are self sufficient. Learning how to play the game is necessary for survival. So many beta males in their 50s are dying off penniless and alone. And to all u feminist women out there , your young hot now but u age age way faster then men. Ha when u die alone no one will care. Karma is a bitch.

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  85. “Yeah, and there’s far more to my house than the foundation.”

    Nice.

    “Jann Blackstone-Ford, Ph.D., and her husband’s ex-wife, Sharyl Jupe”

    Ha, missed that the first time through.

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  86. Yes , this is all well and good … but in most cases she will make every effort to exercise power and you either have to deal with this in an Alpha way …. or her ability to try and exercise power is inhibited by you being further up the scale in terms of overall value …. which usually means you ( the higher value male ) will sooner or later start to look elsewhere for something better anyway.

    Interesting notion. My hot girl is an irredeemable princess, so I’ve had to be extremely extreme in cutting her down to size. Yelling insults at her, breaking up with her a few times, the works. My middling but above my attractiveness threshold girl started out doting.

    Keeping a girl down can be a hassle, and it’s sweet when the girl naturally feels below you. I agree that it’s natural to have to work harder on keeping hand with hotter girls.

    I also think that a man can remain satisfied with a girl who is also satisfied.

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  87. Mr C “The litmus test for a womans true value should be; If she did not have a pussy and titts , would you still want to talk to her.”

    A woman’s true value is her tits and pussy. The only reason to talk to her is to mine her true value.

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  88. This is especially applicable to dating websites. The women lists of requirements are the on-line version of shit-tests.

    Recently on OKCupid, I came across this hot French chick who had posted a huge list of requirements for people who should not e-mail her. To top this off, she also stated

    “Please don’t message me on this website unless we’ve already been talking and I decided that you’re great”

    and

    “I am away from Paris for now and am considering closing this page, so if you don’t know me yet, think twice before sending me the “hey girl”

    Plus, the profile listed she is ‘highly selective’ in replying.

    Here was the end of the message I sent her:

    “…Why the stupid list of requirements for people who should message you? I don’t believe you’re away and going to close this page, you are just trying to scare away guys.

    Why don’t I just come right out and say I want you, and I am going to catch a plane to Paris and come and pick you up. ”

    Guess what? I immediately got a reply back saying:

    “…that was a fun almost psycho line.
    all best…”

    It got her totally wet. She’s in Paris after all, and she wants me to fly out there and fuck her.

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  89. “The litmus test for a womans true value should be; If she did not have a pussy and tits , would you still want to talk to her.”

    Yeah, I’ve never found one that passed the test.

    Here is a simple proof: Ever had a crush on one of your female friends, but worried about “ruining the friendship” if you asked her out and she declined? Ever sacked up, asked, and had her decline? Now, tell me, a month later, were you in any way distraught at damaging “the friendship”? I thought not.

    As a little boy, you weren’t friends with little girls for a reason. They were fucking boring. When they got older, they grew tits and pubic hair, not personalities.

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  90. the said: ”
    ‘I’m sorry I moved out of my parents house, went to college, got a job and made something of myself… this sucks.’

    r u hot? hahaha.”

    Yeah… the tall, dark and handsome bit, don’t give sh*t what anyone thinks, aloof, hung, stamina, etc. …but the insecure f*ckers who screw sh*t up and generally can’t it together with both hands (e.g., Kevin Federline, a douchebag without “executive skills” as they’re called) seems to be the ticket. Somehow being an A-hole with the wherewithal to get sh*t done is as off-putting as being a nice guy without douchebaggy. Douchebag w/skills, unwanted; skills w/o douchebaggery, unwanted; douchebag w/o skills, induces lots of ‘gina tingling. Why? Stimulating and safe– like Hitachi Magic Wand, only self-powered.

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  91. Mr. C says: “…’as for being smart, well it’s been my observation that smarter (think nerds and geeks) generally = less testosterone.’

    You won’t find too many classic Alphas in academia and the ones that are there stand out by a mile.”

    Yeah, that’d be my father. Why he became a professor: 18- 22 year old college chicks, hot female colleagues and grad students, etc. (Heck, I know I won’t need viagra when I’m older.)

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  92. “” Yeah, that’d be my father. Why he became a professor: 18- 22 year old college chicks, hot female colleagues and grad students, etc. (Heck, I know I won’t need viagra when I’m older.) “”

    The only problem with that is in Academia there are rules about fraternizing with students and choosing to ignore the rules is choosing to walk through a poonfield laced with mines … or a minefield laced with poon.

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  93. Mr. C says: “The only problem with that is in Academia there are rules about fraternizing with students and choosing to ignore the rules is choosing to walk through a poonfield laced with mines … or a minefield laced with poon.”

    Bill Clinton did the same thing with politics… look where it got him. 😉

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  94. Bill Clinton did the same thing with politics… look where it got him. 😉

    When it comes to Presidents vs Professors ; Presidents usually cum out ahead.

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  95. Being Pres IS sexier than being a prof. (“Hey, miss, how’d you like a position on my staff?”)

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  96. I’ve met so many asshat liberal women who say they need a man with similar political beliefs. Then they see my AK-47 propped up in my closet. All the sudden they forget all about their bleeding heart and the children (err black inner city gang banger who are 17) who die every day because of guns. All they want to do is shoot it.

    There must be some aphrodisiac in old Eastern European 7.62 round gun powder because it is always fuckfest, and I mean all night long fuckfest, after we get back from the range.

    Gents – get yourself a bad ass looking gun and display it somewhere in your abode. It will get you laid.

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  97. women love to be in folly. Many of my acquaintances are with losers, and guess what all of them had admitted to me about their knight in white horse.

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  98. I have a bunch of airsoft guns that look like replicas of real guns. Got them in a sort of estate sale along with a boatload of furnishings. Even those cause wetness.

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  99. “Somehow being an A-hole with the wherewithal to get sh*t done is as off-putting as being a nice guy without douchebaggy. Douchebag w/skills, unwanted; skills w/o douchebaggery, unwanted; douchebag w/o skills, induces lots of ‘gina tingling. Why? Stimulating and safe– like Hitachi Magic Wand, only self-powered.”

    it’s more like mad pre-selection.

    this is how the world usually works:

    young kid gets girls — does not feel the need to become a ceo/president/rock star in order to increase his status. bums around. does not care. still gets girls.

    young kid does not get girls — becomes ceo w/lots of money/president/rock star, gets girls

    generally speaking, if a guy has lots of external status markers (money, fame, cars) he was probably not jammin’ with the ladies until after the fact. sure, there are exceptions e.g. guys who have swagger and drive (and the swagger came first) but they are not the norm.

    basically, if i’m looking at a guy who’s high status in teh world and who has swagger, i don’t know whether he’s got the swagger from the status or vice versa.

    but if he’s low status (like a bartender) and he’s still got the swagger? then he’s a natural.

    everybody loves a natural

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  100. Maxim #48392: What a girl says she wants and what she actually needs are two very different things.

    Her wants are usually created by culturally/media conditioned conditioned norms.

    Her needs are biologically wired and activated by guys with game who can give her tingles.

    Also, I doubt very much that she has traveled the world, done volunteering or is a wine expert. Double standard *cough*.

    My list is a lot simpler for a girl:
    – Good looking (hit the gym girls!!)
    – Fun to be with

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  101. Re: RF Interference

    Thanks for taking the time to respond. I will implement some of your tips immediately

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  102. “the reason i put the above standards are because most rich/educated/smart guys are also trying to make up for something. let’s face it — if you can’t get girls, you do more with yourself so as to attain status. making money/being educated/having a good job are ways to attain status.”

    the – masculine men have ambition of some kind, whether it’s education or employment. Not only is your theory ridiculous, but there’s also the simple factor of making money/having a good job, in order to, you know, marry, have a family, and buy cool shit. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman say those things aren’t important, which makes me think you are stupid/uneducated yourself.

    Because if you hang around the upper middle class, your self-described dream man is laughed at as the loser he is.

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  103. This is pretty much how the Asian Playboy gets girls

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  104. the said: “it’s more like mad pre-selection.”

    Babes look for arousing losers. Period. Stiff and disposable, like a Bic pen. (Men’ve wanted airhead bimbos with big tits and go to the next when they go what they wanted, too, I understand… now its coeducational.) Entertainment value only… until they hit the wall and end up with a bunch of cats instead.

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  105. P.S. Don’t let your kids watch the following sh*t, having grow up like Goofus (you know, from Goofus and Gallant in Highlights for Children) instead… they’ll be better off nowadays.

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  106. “generally speaking, if a guy has lots of external status markers (money, fame, cars) he was probably not jammin’ with the ladies until after the fact. sure, there are exceptions e.g. guys who have swagger and drive (and the swagger came first) but they are not the norm.

    basically, if i’m looking at a guy who’s high status in teh world and who has swagger, i don’t know whether he’s got the swagger from the status or vice versa.

    but if he’s low status (like a bartender) and he’s still got the swagger? then he’s a natural.”

    this is kind of on the money.
    all my friends who are naturals tend to have low status or let’s say mid-tier status jobs.

    DJ, bartender, construction worker, musician.

    All my friends who are successful in academia, business and media are betas to the core, upper betas at best. Sure there are outliers, but natural alphas for the most part do not have ridiculously high IQ’s or very high status jobs.

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  107. I know this distinction changes from field to field. I would expect that in sales and banking you will have more natural alphas in very high positions, is this true or just a myth perpetuated by hollywood ?

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  108. “Not only is your theory ridiculous, but there’s also the simple factor of making money/having a good job, in order to, you know, marry, have a family, and buy cool shit. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a woman say those things aren’t important, which makes me think you are stupid/uneducated yourself.”

    me-ow!!!

    hey dude, everybody likes money. money’s cool. yeah buying cool shit is cool. i enjoy it, certainly. guys with money — cool. cool by association, anyway. plenty of girls will go gaga for guys with cash, but the key word there is cash, not “guys” or “with.” i betcha they’d go just as gaga for the pile of cash. maybe more so b/c they ditched the loser.

    that said, we’re talking about female “standards” and “alphas.” no offense but if you think that middle-class schlumps who marry and have good jobs tend to be alpha, then you’re just lying to yourself. also cool — i’m not going to rain on your parade, you can believe whatcha want — but the tingles don’t lie hmm.

    the point of the OP was that the lie standards that girls have are basically lies — if the guy is alpha enough. if he isn’t, then yes, she wants him to jump through those hoops. if he does, then she may give him a chance — even if he isn’t alpha.

    ambition — yes. but to get said ambition past the “pussy, pussy, pussy” stage usually takes some doing, eh. when men channel their “drive” into “other things” such as “employment” and “education” it’s usually because they’re not sating it the other way — pussy. like i said, there are exceptions. obviously.

    this is not to say girlies don’t want security (in the form of cash), loyalty, and all that good upstanding man stuff. just that they want it after the alpha. hence the whole “i can change him, oh yes i can” attitude. yeah that’s usually not happening.

    what girls want:

    *alphas they can change
    alphas they can’t change
    betas with assets (more assets you have = more beta you can be)
    lesbians
    betas without assets

    *yeahright

    of course, you may also be the kind of guy who thinks bill gates and tiger woods are mad alpha.

    can’t help you there, bub.

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  109. “I know this distinction changes from field to field. I would expect that in sales and banking you will have more natural alphas in very high positions, is this true or just a myth perpetuated by hollywood ?”

    i would agree with you here. most of the naturals i meet are in low status jobs. but if there is any “high status” job where there’s >average # of naturals, it’s wall street. doesn’t mean that the large majority of them aren’t still betas (they are), just that the natural % is a tad higher.

    i’m not saying there aren’t any alphas in high positions — just that most of the “alphas in high positions” are almost always guys who gained their swagger with their status, not the other way around.

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  110. From my experience , fields like finance , real estate , sales and the trades tend to attract more Alpha men.

    As to why … perhaps they realise from an early age that to bang the babes you gotta make the bucks, and in these fields you have a tendency to make the bucks.

    These fields tend to also be highly competitive … something Alphas tend to thrive on.

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  111. “i’m not saying there aren’t any alphas in high positions — just that most of the “alphas in high positions” are almost always guys who gained their swagger with their status, not the other way around.”

    at the end of the day the alpha who may have not have been a natural, but becomes alpha by educating himself, hitting the gym, building a company, or some other modicum of high status success, and bangs tons of babes after his success wins at life.

    here is why.

    a) he has more money and overall status and can parlay that into travel and richer life experiences

    b) the same women that will bang that natural alpha
    (bartender or dj) will leave him for the self made alpha with the money and life-style she wants

    c) self-made alpha has more choice when it comes to women for the long and short term. he can choose the “good girl” 19 yo old hottie from a respectable family abroad or any country he damn well pleases and she will marry him.

    d) or he can bang hot sluts as long as he wants as well; his choice.

    e) the natural alpha (dj or bartender loser) cannot get a high status girl to commit to him for the long term, much less a “good one”. a natural can get a hot “low status” girl to commit to him, but then again so can the self made alpha.

    so overall self made alpha wins at life by the panoply of choices available to him.

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  112. relationship oriented women (vs. short term oriented flighty girls) often settle for betas and/or older because they don’t want to be dumped and tossed back into the septic tank of the single world that they loathe. His world is almost exclusively flighty slutty girls who don’t mind being single and target conventional alphas, hence the tenor of the site. He dwells in the septic tank.

    Rational women instead aim for “secret alphas.” The perfect example is a guy who is homely but great in bed. She has great sex and safety. The “secret alpha” is the most attractive male type for relationship oriented women. I remember hearing how a woman fell in love with a conventionally *BETA* IBM’er after seeing his mercedes SL stashed in the garage that no one saw and he never brought on dates.

    This way they have a greater probability of retaining the guy who appeals to them against the collective of more nubile competition (who they hope, like the borg, will ignore their mate and seek more outwardly appealing conquests). This is manna from heaven for older/intelligent men hoping to beat out those division I athletes for LTR’s with 10’s.

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  113. Lets remember, not to devolve into females ourselves and let “male hamsters” run loose and justify not having an unambitious low career/low IQ prospects because somehow its “natural swagger”.

    Most DJs, bartenders, and construction workers aren’t alpha. Just as most traders, high execs, doctors aren’t alpha. Many DJs, bartenders, and construction workers are guys that didn’t get ahead in life. The fat dude that can be hired for 10 different events isn’t fucking DJ Tiesto. He is some beta without a job and an ipod.

    A man successful with females may very well not care about his success with females (thus assuring even GREATER success with poon) while he focuses on his other attributes. No guy thinks poon is the sole purpose for life. If that was the case, guys like Roosh would sit put and bang DC sluts without traveling or writing or experiencing life.

    The alpha who has ass on the side so he can focus on getting into medical school or becoming that big shot trader will outclass your middling alpha bartender.

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  114. Re: the

    Hard to believe any woman is that stupid, but, facts are stubborn things.

    In my circle, one of the girls married a cool guy (different race, too.) He is so far behind every other male in our social circle in professional development it is a joke. For example, she supports him because he can’t find a real job he likes. These are your tax dollars at work. (She works for the US govt.)

    Come to think of it, there is a 2nd woman in our social circle in a similar situation. Yea. She works for the state, too.

    These men are called “losers.” In the end, they will not have true freedom because they will be constrained by economics. Women are welcome to them.

    This blog exists because women are like that, and this blog helps men to exploit such woman and avoid exploitation by such women. For example, successful betas tend to lose their freedom because of marriage. I certainly hope this blog helps to convince men that marriage is just not their best option.

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  115. xsplat, I didn’t exaggerate anything – these are blind tests that have been replicated, i.e. scientific studies.

    Fact: if I put average or cheap priced wine in front of you, and told you it was extremely expensive vintage vino, you wouldn’t be able to tell it was cheap piss.

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  116. @The: as for being smart, well it’s been my observation that smarter (think nerds and geeks) generally = less testosterone.

    Not necessarily, though people with a suuuper high level of academic intelligence, rarely alpha. It’s more the manner of occupation than status, and manner of intelligence than level of it.

    Here’s a good link for you:
    http://www.corrupt.org/news/unsurprisingly_bankers_are_not_nerds

    However, they’ve found that musicianship is not a high-testosterone profession either, but rockstar obviously has its status. You bet even Gerard Way from My Chemical Romance is alpha, going by his probable pussy acquisition.

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  117. * Has fought and killed a shark in underwater one-on-one combat armed with nothing more than a knife.

    * Sleeps on concrete slab, beds are for pussies.

    * Is, in fact, the Kwizach Haderach.

    * Punches boards to develop ability to punch way out of a coffin if confronted with buried alive scenario.

    * Member of NATO or SCO.

    * Like the biblical Samson, becomes stronger as hair grows longer.

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  118. Oh please. We all know what women want. What women want has already been eloquently said by Mexican Beer, the drizzle that makes every rainy just that much more insipid.

    What Every Woman Demands From Her Man:

    * He is the life of parties he never attended
    * His blood smells like cologne
    * His charm is so contagious, vaccines have been created for it
    * He wouldn’t be afraid to show his feminine side, … if he had one
    * Years ago, he built a city out of blocks. Today, over 600,000 people live and work there.
    * If he mailed a letter without postage, it would still get there
    * The police often question him, just because they find him interesting
    * At museums, he’s allowed to touch the art
    * His personality is so magnetic, he is unable to carry credit cards
    * He once challenged his own reflection to a staring contest; on the fourth day, he won
    * He’s been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room
    * He’s a lover, not a fighter, but he’s also a fighter, so don’t get any ideas
    * People hang on his every word, even the prepositions
    * He could disarm you with his looks, or his hands –
    either way
    * He can speak French – In Russian
    * He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels
    * He lives vicariously, through himself

    Men, we’d be wise to take his advice, given that This Is The Man That Women Want:

    On Fashion:
    * Leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets, then you should use them to call your tailor

    On Careers:
    * Find out what it is in life that you don’t do well –
    and then, don’t do that thing

    On Rollerblading:
    * … No.

    On Life:
    * It’s never to early to start beefing up your obituary

    On the Two-Party System:
    * The After Party is the one you want to attend

    On Lady Luck:
    * Be wary of a woman who only shows up when you are winning

    On Umbrellas
    * Unless your drink is expecting rain, you should probably reconsider

    On Manscaping
    * I have no idea what this is.

    “I would have beaten the world speed record in 1977, but popular opinion amongst my team was that my beard caused too much wind resistance. I would have shaved it, but, … no, I wouldn’t have.”

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  119. Here is my 463 point list for women. Man should also make those absurd lists for fun and to make women see how ridicilous they are.

    *Must be a virgin
    *Must be active in bed
    *Must have at least D cups
    *No silicon
    *generous, must give oral sex 2x a day per average on her own initiative
    *Must look like something between Megan Fox and Angelina Joulie in her prime.
    *Must enjoy anal sex
    *Must be anal virgin
    *No children
    *Must love to cook
    *Must cook good enough for me to have no desire to visit restaurants
    *Must hate going to restaurants
    *Must enjoy sucking my cock while I play video games and watch porn
    *Must have a masculine side – like able to repair a car or a computer without asking me for help
    *spontaneous (especially in sex)
    *must be blond
    *must dance like a proffesional stripper for my fun
    *a connoisseur of fine beer
    *athletic, a top chearleader at school preffered
    *waist 70% of hips or less
    *must be good conversationist – must know how to shut up when I want to

    And more

    Use this list to counter hers and escape her frame and put your frame on.

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  120. Yes, Legion, I’m aware of those studies. If you think that they mean that wines don’t have different flavors, you misunderstood it.

    The difference between expectations coloring experience and creating it is not a subtle one.

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  121. “I know this distinction changes from field to field. I would expect that in sales and banking you will have more natural alphas in very high positions, is this true or just a myth perpetuated by hollywood ?”

    Thing is, in American business pretty much EVERYONE in a high position has to have a shit-ton of alphatude and leadership ability. Almost nobody gets to the C-level management with resume accomplishments like sales quotas, you have to have great social ability.

    (If somebody says Bill Gates I’d like you to do some more reading and find out what a ruthless alpha that guy is in the business world.)

    As for the finance industry, if Michael Lewis and others are to be believed, an investment banking team is a devloution to ape times in the hunt for social status within the team. Irrational confidence rules the day.

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  122. Good thread with good ideas to max out the Alpha edge.

    It’s funny, but this thread and Board would be seen as “horribly chauvinist and degrading” by 99% of the womyn and (tragically) manginas out there.

    Any yet, true Alphas are people who make other people happy. Women are never happier when they’re with a man who’s clearly (yet often subtly) the one is charge. Women *say* they want a “sensitive” man who “communicates.” Of course, that is BEYOND crap.

    Women want an unpredictable, edgy, Alpha guy who possesses his own cold blood with unmistakeable manliness. They “tingle” for that more than ANYTHING ELSE.

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  123. …So Alphas bring happiness. I’m convinced most guys out there are sorry-ass betas, making both themselves and the women they’re with (if any) miserable. And yet there’s a cool, masculine Alpha inside most of them, but it’s out-of-shape and seriously dormant. It’s flaccid.

    This is a serious, serious problem. It’s astounding to me how many people (guys, most tragically) are afraid of their own shadow. Forget about encouraging them to start their own business. You can’t even get them to stop licking the boots of their wives. It’s beyond pathetic.

    Damn, I’m pissed off right now just thinking what a nation of manginas we’ve become.

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  124. Heh. This is all so funny because it’s true. I once knew a girl who had an unbelievably demanding checklist (speaks foreign languages fluently, has a Ph.D., all that crap.)

    Next guy she went for was some good looking alpha guy who went caveman on her. Soon she was complaining about his intelligence (she was smarter by a good 10 IQ points.) Still, she saw herself marrying him (alas, no dice – he didn’t go for it.)

    Why? 1) Alpha – went for her immediately – same day sex; 2) Good looking; 3) The sex was good.

    Everything else was inessential, funny, ain’t it?

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  125. HUX,

    You are right on. As someone who owns his own business, I can certify that being your own man is chick crack. A finance monkey at AIG/GS/ FRBNY has nothing on an entrepreneur who makes 1/5 of what they make.

    Why? She is tingling for your boss.

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  126. Anonymous

    Mr. C says: “The only problem with that is in Academia there are rules about fraternizing with students and choosing to ignore the rules is choosing to walk through a poonfield laced with mines … or a minefield laced with poon.”

    Bill Clinton did the same thing with politics… look where it got him. 😉

    Slick Willie did MORE than “fraternize” with an employee – he got a sloppy blowjob. Well, at least one that we can prove.

    Willie made it possible for ALL of us men to give a plump young girl a pearl necklace in the office and have feminists applaud our range and volume.

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  127. Since I’m in a posting mood, I will happily share more wisdom with the Brotherhood.

    Go to any of the ga-zillion religious blogs out there, and you will see a central theme in most of them: desperation.

    Guy after guy makes desperate posts, asking the goofy blog community for prayers to meet “a God-fearing Christian woman for my wife.”

    Oh yeah, I know what you’re thinking (as am I). “Earth to religious guy, come in….come IN.”

    Well, these milquetoasts should get on their knees and ask God that those prayers DON’T get answered.

    We all know that the “religious” women are the absolute worst. Bitchy, stupid, AND self-righteous to boot? Wow. NO THANK YOU.

    But it just shows that game applies anywhere. Most certainly in true Christianity. Jesus Christ in the New Testament is UNMISTAKEABLY masculine. Driving the money-changers from the temple by physical force, defining Heaven and Hell in crystal-clear terms, taking on the corrupt power elite directly, WHATEVER the consequences, all defined true game from the Master of the universe. And it is a MASCULINE universe, whether you like it or not. Oh yes sir.

    But you’d never know it from all the mealy-mouthed, estrogen-saturated nearly-gay sorry-ass excuses for men that claim to follow Christ. The whole thing is a shambles now, overrun with homosexual priests, stealing from the collection basket…man, what a tragic mess it all is.

    What’s clear to me is that this Board has a lot more wisdom than many, many goofy, nearly-gay, “religious” blogs.

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  128. HUX

    Go to any of the ga-zillion religious blogs out there, and you will see a central theme in most of them: desperation.

    Guy after guy makes desperate posts, asking the goofy blog community for prayers to meet “a God-fearing Christian woman for my wife.”

    Ever see a Christian bitch? Fugsters. Fat, too.

    Only the hottest ones fuck, then marry, the preacher. Especially a TV one.

    It’s females fucking up their foodchain in extremis.

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  129. (Damn errors, I meant…) P.S. Don’t let your kids watch the following sh*t, have ’em grow up like Goofus (you know, from Goofus and Gallant in Highlights for Children) instead… they’ll be better off nowadays.

    (Aw, f*ck, YouTube blocked it fom playing offsite… anyway, it’s the Oopah Loompahs from Willie Wonka and, no, not the one with Jonny Dipp.)

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  130. Firepower: “Anonymous

    Mr. C says: “The only problem with that is in Academia there are rules about fraternizing with students and choosing to ignore the rules is choosing to walk through a poonfield laced with mines … or a minefield laced with poon.”

    Bill Clinton did the same thing with politics… look where it got him. 😉

    Slick Willie did MORE than “fraternize” with an employee – he got a sloppy blowjob. Well, at least one that we can prove.

    Willie made it possible for ALL of us men to give a plump young girl a pearl necklace in the office and have feminists applaud our range and volume.”

    You said it. I wonder who… er, what he’s done since he’s been back lately.

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  131. Anonymous

    Firepower:

    You said it. I wonder who… er, what he’s done since he’s been back lately.

    Sick Willie’s crawled his way back into our National Conscience because…Showgirls recently aired on cable. The NC-17 version. Who says our Art is degenerated?

    Clinton when prez, was rumored (by credible sources) to have regularly nailed Gina Gershon.

    Now THAT was a tasty piece of ass. :-]’

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  132. “the” sounds like a 21 year old chick who has done nothing but slut around with losers her whole life, and thinks that she knows what a real man is.

    it’s laughable. as many have commented, the guys you describe are total losers who have almost no social status after their mid twenties. The girls that bang these guys are young, stupid, desperate, or naive. The guys themselves realize how badly they fucked up their lives when they hit about 29.

    I have kept up with many of the guys who were the most popular studs in high school because of their size, athleticism, and alphaness. Nowadays in their early to mid thirties these guys are without exception society’s losers. Most of them married some horrificly ugly fat chick and work in a lame job where they will barely make enough money to cover their bills, with no hope in sight. Why? Because the high-quality women want nothing to do with them – they shot all their potential back in high school.

    Have fun with those “naturals” ya stupid whore. Real men are far more than coozehounds with muscles. Real men develop all areas of their lives, including their professions and intellects.

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  133. Julian “Douchebag” Assange is, apparently, still gets da wimmens– attractive value of his bad behavior examined…

    “Julian Assange, Chick Magnet?” by Tracy Quan, The Daily Beast, 13 DEC 10,
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-12-13/julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-remains-a-sex-symbol/?cid=hp%3Amainpromo6

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  134. Painful to watch… you know his ass got cheated on and/or dumped after this, too.

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  135. @ Gorbachev ( KC. com article)

    Anyone – anyone – who says that in the interests of the child, the woman’s cheating ways and deliberate cuckoldry should be concealed is saying this:

    It’s acceptable to lie, cheat and fool a man into raising someone else’s child so long as you hide behind the child, manipulate and cheat the child, and then hold the child up in the air as a social shield – a human shield.

    Amen, I would like to take a soldering iron spelling “cuckoldry” to the forehead of the writer…..

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  136. KUNG FU KICK TO BALLS…..

    She’s just laughing to him, as he rolls on the ground in agony…

    ….which of course, he richly deserves. Beta manginas who would even put themselves in this position can learn the lessons of the MASCULINE universe in only one way….PAIN.

    Ask any mangina who’s been raked over the coals Anglosphere divorce court, and who first insisted he could “talk to the judge like a real man.”

    Yeah, well, that mangina is now living in a single-wide trailer in the woods, working three jobs to make alimony, with the sheriff breathing down his neck just waiting for him to miss a payment. As I said, too many betas understand only one thing….PAIN

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  137. HUX

    ….which of course, he richly deserves. Beta manginas who would even put themselves in this position…

    Which is very, very important that we ask ourselves “why save them?”

    Why bother to save the irredeemable? I temper my comments justifiably at our aptly named “sister site” to the queerhead crew.

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  138. @FIREPOWER

    Excellent point. The fact is, you can’t save them, and if you do try to save them, they will hate your guts.

    Guys have to figure this stuff out for themselves. Often it takes a LOT of pain to get the message through some (rather) thick skulls, but *some* guys eventually figure it out.

    These are the guys to whom Alphas can drop a hint or two when they’re around (which isn’t often b/c Alphas often have too many projects going on, often wading through a sea of betas to get things done)

    There’s an old saying in Africa I like –

    “Don’t try to show a man the stars when he doesn’t know where the sky is.”

    Whatever African dude came up with that, I guarantee you, he was an Alpha STUD.

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  139. on December 15, 2010 at 2:49 pm alonzo portfolio

    Seems like you missed the real significance of the list. “Must have been somewhere other than Europe,” means “I’ve been trained to disrespect white guys – in my H.R. job we find every reason possible not to hire them.” This woman really wants to date Hugo Chavez, but she can’t be sure she won’t be beaten.

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  140. Sorry, lost my moniker there for a moment, as I went into “ghost” surfing.

    Firepower, keep up the good work. Good posts.

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  141. @alonzo

    ALL white women in the Anglosphere have been systematically trained and indoctrinated to disrespect all white guys, with ONE exception.

    GAY white guys.

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  142. “the” can’t be older than 23, and I’m not totally sure it’s not a gay man. Almost no women with a quarter of a brain would “prefer”, all else being equal, a stupid guy with no accomplishments over a smart, educated guy. And this is exactly what she said.

    She also talks about “natural” alphas. No such thing. Some become alpha at 13, others at 23, others at 33, other never. Nobody’s “born” alpha.

    Is it correct that the guys who get the most pussy end up with worse jobs? I’d be surprised, though it’d be interesting to find out. I’m in law school and most of my friends are upper betas – not pure alpha but smart and cool enough to have attractive girlfriends. I also know some alpha guys here, who got plenty of pussy in high school and college. These guys tend to be competitive, which is an alpha trait…certainly more alpha than not trying to improve yourself at all.

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  143. Why some men have dogs and not wives.

    1. The later you are, the more excited your dogs are to see you.

    2. Dogs don’t notice if you call them by another dog’s name.

    3. Dogs like it if you leave a lot of things on the floor.

    4. A dog’s parents never visit.

    5. Dogs agree that you have to raise your voice to get your point across.

    6. You never have to wait for a dog; they’re ready to go 24 hours a day.

    7. Dogs find you amusing when you’re drunk.

    8. Dogs like to go hunting and fishing.

    9. A dog will not wake you up at night to ask, ‘If I died, would you get another dog?’

    10. If a dog has babies, you can put an ad in the paper and give them away…

    11. A dog will let you put a studded collar on it without calling you a pervert.

    12. If a dog smells another dog on you, they don’t get mad. They just think it’s interesting.

    13. Dogs like to ride in the back of a pickup truck.

    And last, but not least:

    14. If a dog leaves, it won’t take half of your stuff.

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  144. @JULIAN

    If you ever marry, do so out of the Anglosphere. It’s a deathtrap here in the U.S., Canada, and Britain.

    Your bride-to-be MUST (and this is an ABSOLUTE must) not be a native-speaker of English.

    Absolutely no way.

    American Kupcake Princess: Wait, why won’t you go out with me, again?

    Alpha Stud: Sorry, Kupcake, your native language is English, which AUTOMATICALLY rules you out of the marriage pool.

    AKP: What???!!!???

    Alpha Stud: (Walks away with a bemused look on his face, slowly shaking his head wisely)

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  145. “Is it correct that the guys who get the most pussy end up with worse jobs?”

    I wouldn’t put it that way. “The” is a troll but there was a larger point in her ranting that has some truth in it.

    Basically naturals who have had the hottest access to poon since they were very young tend to not work very hard in their personal development…because they don’t have to get what they want and what every man wants, which is hot girls on demand

    Kind of like how the hottest chicks don’t have to develop interesting personalities to get guys falling over them..

    I would say in my experience this is true. All my “natural alpha” friends, the ones who would bang the hottest chicks in high school, and college, for the most part chose middling jobs ( bartender, dj, fireman, musician). None of my natural alpha friends are CEO’s or Presidents of Universities thats for sure. Again, I think it depends on the field you choose, but there is a truth that when you have access to hot chicks most men will be happy with that.

    She has said many times before, men choose the path of least resistance to sex, and when you are getting all the sex you want with hot girls, why develop ? Sure some men do, but most will be happy being bartender into their 40s as long as they are slamming 8-10s on demand.

    There is that funny joke by Dave Chappelle

    “if a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldn’t buy a house.”

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  146. But as I said upthread it is better to be a self made alpha in the long run because you end up with more freedom and you have richer life experiences.

    Plus, you get to bang the hottest girls and…you get to have girls for the long term that the “natural alpha” bartender would never have access to. Say, 19 yo old hotties from other countries who are “good” and who come from middle to upper class respectable families.

    Or you can bang hot sluts all day. Basically, it takes longer to become a self made alpha and you won’t have as much hot poon in the beginning but at the end (as long as you remain alpha in all your choices) it is a better life than that of the natural.

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  147. Very, very true about the “good families” in South America and elsewhere (the Philippines, for example), carefully watching over the “good catches.”

    To swoop in on a nice, beautiful Latina wife who comes from a good family and will be an excellent mother for your children, you’ve got to have “Latino” game.

    I know because I’ve done it. There are lots of easy girls in Latin America, sure, but they’re not the one you want to marry.

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  148. The more I read this stuff here, the more I’m with Lenny Kravitz on American women.
    Damn, I should use the thought to check back here as a trigger for going out instead.

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  149. duxbury writes of …. ” Rational women ”

    That; friend ….. is an Oxymoron par excellence.

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  150. Womanspeak for Married Men:

    You’re “oblivious” = Can’t seek milk in the fridge.

    “Oh, it’s, okay.” = You’ll pay… dearly.

    “Oblivious” (multiply) = She’s fucked another guy.

    “It was a mistake.” = Your best friend, anal then came on her face, in your bed.

    “I’m not happy.” = Regularly fucking another guy.

    “I need space.” = Wants her own place (that you pay for) to openly fuck single/married men like she’s single.

    “I’m confused.” = Likes fucking him (or more) while you support her.

    “I want a divorce.” = Wants to take all your money/kids to add to those of the next guy she’s found.

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  151. “Gorbachev
    I have no illusions that without game, I’d have been with any of the women I’ve been with for the past 3 years.

    No chance.”

    Really?

    You are starting to sound like a juicer I know.

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  152. Good post, dude. Pretty much “spot on” for the Ameri-fiend women that surround us.

    Women are poisonous asps. As in dangerous snakes that will take your head off just for the pleasure of doing so.

    Always remember that when you talk with an American woman, you are talking to a poisonous asp. DO NOT FORGET THIS.

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  153. @psycho

    “Gorbachev
    I have no illusions that without game, I’d have been with any of the women I’ve been with for the past 3 years.

    No chance.”

    Really?

    You are starting to sound like a juicer I know.

    Okay, some chance. But not that much. And not as many. And not as easily.

    You’ve got to get by the internal screens women throw up.

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  154. On another note, the same doesn’t apply for men. If you ask a man what he wants in a girl on paper, it ends up being what he really wants.

    It’s a sad truth that women are so incapable of seeing themselves as they really are.

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  155. on December 15, 2010 at 5:42 pm Personal Devilopment

    The End, gun sex, yes, yes, tis true. It does not have to be AK47, a regular hand gun lying about in a prominent location would do too. “My glock is my winggun”.

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  156. @solvemygirlproblems

    True. Guys want a decent-looking girl who will treat them like a king.

    What women fail to realize is that guys will turn the world upside-down for a girl like that. But no. Women insist on “50-50,” kill love, and then complain that “there are no good men out there.”

    Uh, no. Western women have shot the golden goose. Millions of men have gone on “marriage strike.” They have “gone ghost.” Women are increasingly looking like deer caught in headlights. Of course, they will NEVER get it, because they are INCAPABLE of getting it.

    The fem-hags are now left with their cats. Invest in kitty-litter stock, you fiends!! Awesome!!

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  157. I always get such a sad feeling when I come home to find there was not a new post on the best site on the internet.

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  158. on December 15, 2010 at 5:56 pm Professor Woland

    There are only two ways up the dominance heirarchy. You can do it with either your physical gifts or your social position. Some guys are born with the physical gifts, the best being the “genetic celebrities” who are either good looking (facial symmetry, good health) or strong (tall, well hung) or both. Some men have neither. The social status is more fluid. Here it is possible for anybody can achieve a high status if they are either lucky, related to the right people, or smart and hardworking. The guys who really clean up are those who are genetic celebrities which give them a high social status (think movie stars or professional athletes).

    The irony about social status is that much of is it tied to intelligence. Sure, somebody could win the lottery, but the reality is that this is also something we are born with, like our physical appearance. The guys who clean up during their teens / young adulthood are the physically gifted. Unfortunately, these guys often peak out early eventually becoming just another has been while the high status guys begin to dominate. I would also add that having game has a lot to do with intelligence. Humor, wit, linguistic IQ, etc. are all a proxy for brains.

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  159. “Women insist on “50-50,” kill love, and then complain that “there are no good men out there.”

    Ha ! ,….. if only they were to be so fair.

    An entitlement complex rarely sees anything as 50-50.

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  160. @Julian: But as I said upthread it is better to be a self made alpha in the long run because you end up with more freedom and you have richer life experiences.

    Plus, you get to bang the hottest girls and…you get to have girls for the long term that the “natural alpha” bartender would never have access to. Say, 19 yo old hotties from other countries who are “good” and who come from middle to upper class respectable families.

    Or you can bang hot sluts all day. Basically, it takes longer to become a self made alpha and you won’t have as much hot poon in the beginning but at the end (as long as you remain alpha in all your choices) it is a better life than that of the natural.

    Agreed. It is proles who are truly natural alphas from the outset. Due to their upbringing, genes or both, they have less of a frontbrain and therefore few scruples or inhibitions. They are automatons of their animal instincts, so their imperative is their primitive urges. A corollary of this is that their sexual market is limited to skanks, their female equivalents. Unintelligent people have less long-term foresight, hence the lesser lives they lead. Thing is, their desires are simple and so they never realise their lowliness until they land their ass in jail.

    Intelligent people are more developed cerebrally, and so have a more developed internalised cost-reward model, which can cause more inhibitions, hence the stereotype of the awkward beta nerd. Intelligent alphas do exist, it’s just the more socially apt you are, the more likely you are to derive your game through osmosis than through conscious retrospective realisation of one’s shortcomings.

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  161. @Mr C.

    You are correct, dude. Of course, women SAY “50-50,” but MEAN “99-1.”

    Of course, I may be overstating their generosity, anyway.

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  162. Women of course can be generous.

    When there is something in it for them.

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  163. Cyning

    Intelligent people are more developed cerebrally, and so have a more developed internalised cost-reward model, which can cause more inhibitions, hence the stereotype of the awkward beta nerd. Intelligent alphas do exist, it’s just the more socially apt you are, the more likely you are to derive your game through osmosis than through conscious retrospective realisation of one’s shortcomings.

    When one lives in an age of primitive, atavistic values, the introspective intellect is rendered obsolete.

    Until one day, the simple folks outbreed their food supply, starve – then seek a Wise Man to rule over them.

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  164. Gorby,

    “* He can speak French – In Russian”

    Heh – that actually reminds me of this essay:

    The Inner Ring

    Where Lewis riffs on this excerpt from War and Peace:

    “When Boris entered the room, Prince Andrey was listening to an old general, wearing his decorations, who was reporting something to Prince Andrey, with an expression of soldierly servility on his purple face. “Alright. Please wait!” he said to the general, speaking in Russian with the French accent which he used when he spoke with contempt. The moment he noticed Boris he stopped listening to the general who trotted imploringly after him and begged to be heard, while Prince Andrey turned to Boris with a cheerful smile and a nod of the head. Boris now clearly understood—what he had already guessed—that side by side with the system of discipline and subordination which were laid down in the Army Regulations, there existed a different and more real system—the system which compelled a tightly laced general with a purple face to wait respectfully for his turn while a mere captain like Prince Andrey chatted with a mere second lieutenant like Boris. Boris decided at once that he would be guided not by the official system but by this other unwritten system.”

    For those seeking inner game, this essay gets to its heart.

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  165. I love forearm wrap around tattoos on a guy! Sooooo damn hot!

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  166. Cyning said: “Intelligent alphas do exist… ”

    Guilty. Unfortunately it’s an oxymoron; dumb and alphaness don’t cancel each other out. (Many intelligent Alphas say f*ck it and just get anti-social after this b*llshit for so long… where psychopaths come from.)

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  167. evolved, Haha.
    Trades are alpha in the sense u actually have to produce somthing at the end of the day. Just depends how hard you work. Just like martial arts. I make 1700 dollars a day roughing in houses as a Journeyman plumber. When I’m picking up a perfect ten in a M3 she does care how I got the car.
    it doesn’t matter what u do as long as u make good money and you don’t sell your morals.

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  168. Usually the last person who knows what a particular woman wants is that particular woman. It’s uncanny.

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  169. xsplat, no of course I wasn’t saying that. My original point stands.

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  170. Legion

    The “superior taste” of expensive wines is purely psychological; it has no grounding in the physical properties of the wine itself.

    At the risk of being a comma fucker, I’m still going to disagree with your interpretation of the studies. Some wines have superior tastes. Seeing an expensive label will guide a person to mis-judge the superiority of the wine. But wines have inherent merits and demerits. It’s not nonsense to be into wines, and to enjoy discriminating between them.

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  171. But people cannot discriminate.

    The expensiveness and reputation of the wine is where the taste comes from. If a waiter put cheap piss in front of you and told you with was stellar nectar-of-the-gods vino, you would probably agree. Likewise, if he put super-expensive old wine into a cheap-ass bottle and told you it was plonk, you would also agree.

    Wines vary in taste, yes. But that has very little to do with appreciation for it.

    It’s very counter-intuitive, I know.

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  172. Legion, are you telling me that you don’t have any taste preference for wines, and that you can’t tell when you like the taste of certain wines?

    Are you telling me that you can’t tell if you like the wine until you see the label?

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  173. interesting views, the lot of you. the cognitive dissonance on this board astounds even my little female brain. half of you are trying to argue that “thugs” are not alpha, and argue that good upstanding dudes are…um…ok then.

    i agree with one comment — “being a self-made alpha is better” but i also say this: how many self-made alphas are there? most of the guys i know who have the “goods” — money, good job, education, attractive and intelligent wife — are upper betas at best. take a look at hollywood, even. even those guys are not self-made alphas. look at mel gibson, married and then married again to a lunatic. or brad pitt, tethered to angelina and a herd of children.

    sure, these guys are not “losers” and yes, the bartender down the street may be a “loser” to you but when he goes home with the girl who’s losing? is it him, still, because you make six figures? ok then. why are you here? are you here because you don’t want to get women because you don’t need them because of your six figure job? is that why?

    i do love this comment:

    “The girls that bang these guys are young, stupid, desperate, or naive.”

    uh yeah. let’s see. what do most of the guys lust after on this blog?

    young – check
    stupid – who cares, right? check
    desperate – all the better, right? check
    naive – aka virginal. check

    so uh, yeah, they’re taking your game buddy! gotta watch that one.

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  174. on December 16, 2010 at 9:51 am Obstinance Works

    beautiful women at my door
    beautiful women on the floor
    beautiful women on my bed
    beautiful women in my head
    beautiful women far and wide
    sometimes they laughed sometimes they cried
    so many to choose and lose that I could not care
    what the price of tea is when and where
    in the world at large there be
    men of high and low degree
    some say money is the path
    others just tell you to do the math
    men of science, wealth, and fame
    they to me sound all the same
    every one wants to know
    how i get those girls to glow
    when they are with me and not with them
    but i can’t tell, not even to pretend
    maybe you’re a pussy, or too religiously devote
    maybe you’re an idiot who only screams and shouts
    perhaps you’re a grouch or tarry too long on your couch
    perhaps that booze you clutch so often
    is sending you to an early coffin
    indeed that smell of weed on your clothes
    could be the reason you only attract dirty hoes
    whatever silliness it may be
    i just laugh and have fun you see
    because over love and sex you can’t ever relax
    because love is pink and red you fools, not white and black<br

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  175. @Professor Woland : “The guys who clean up during their teens / young adulthood are the physically gifted. Unfortunately, these guys often peak out early eventually becoming just another has been while the high status guys begin to dominate. ”

    As others have noted, if you get poon handed to you for free as a young teen, you spend your time enjoying poon when you should be working on enhancing yourself.

    Why bother studying when girls are throwing themselves at you? Why focus hard at building a career when you are getting laid with a different girl every night? At that age, poon is like drugs — it feels good while it lasts, but then you wake up with nothing.

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  176. the cognitive dissonance on this board astounds even my little female brain. half of you are trying to argue that “thugs” are not alpha, and argue that good upstanding dudes are…um…ok then.

    Cognitive dissonance is something had by an individual. You cannot say a group of people demonstrate cognitive dissonance because they hold differing opinions from one another.

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  177. if you’re seriously fretting about women’s “standards” or “what they want” you’re wasting your time. the only thing you need to consider is how they feel. what turns them on. what tickles their brains and gives them a buzz. that’s it. jobs don’t mean shit. her idle ideations even less.

    she’ll justify what you are so long as you run the proper game. i can’t tell you how many lies i’ve told and how many supposed jobs i’ve kept or things i’ve done that were total bull, spun straight on the spot to suit some slut’s particulars. forget about her desires insofar as they aren’t psychosomatic.

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  178. or put it another way, there may be many different relationship boy girl dynamics. On one hand, there’s the one founded on the girl being the last in the group to get hitched up, the last man standing hypothesis. She likes you because she doesn’t like being lonely. The other dynamic is where she likes you for you. One of these is better than the other.

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  179. @the

    You’re posting as if the “lot of us” really care about your opinion.

    Well, uh, we don’t. Girls are dumb as a rock, and you’re EXHIBIT A.

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  180. There is no marriage strike.

    There just is simply no incentive for a large number of men to marry anymore. Plenty of men will still marry; these men will continue to trend from more educated and wealthly family backgrounds.

    The forces that once compelled young men to marry and start families have been strangled by progressives. American women, like most ‘modern’ westernized women
    simply express the end result. Most of them are not prepared for life being brought up to have a career first.

    The nation would quickly resume a more rational course should young women be brought up to have children first then career, through marriage (marriage version 1). Single women vote for feel-good bullshit and view the government as a husband/father/provider.

    Of course it’ll never happen. We no longer shame women that behave as sluts. We no longer chase cads from town with torches. With no incentive, marriage is doomed and therefore civilization is doomed. Family units are the foundation of society, and as cliche as this sounds – without foundation the whole thing comes crashing down.

    We already see this today in urban minority communities. It has spread into white society, and except for those with high wealth and/or strong faith of somekind, we see human trash piling up.

    The cat is out of the bag. We can not undo the massive imperial regulation we find ourselves in. We can not undo the taxes that work against success. We can not eliminate child support, alimony, ‘diversity’, entitlements, debtors prisons,… the list goes on.

    What a beautiful sight to see civilization in a slow-motion train crash.

    p.s. I wrote this because I am bored with the marriage strike MRA retards. You guys are even more pathetic than men that post on TheFrisky.

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  181. “The”, you are suffering from Can’t Understand Normal Thinking syndrome.

    1) you assume that all those guys you named are upper beta just because their girlfriends and wives turn into shrill harpies after they make a commitment. news flash: all women do that. At least the guys you named have no problem dumping a “hot” girl when she becomes too overbearing, and that is alpha.

    2) Sure, n*ggers in the ghetto are high alphas because all they do is fight and fuck. Something tells me you are the type of trashy ho who sleeps with these guys, because clearly you crave an apelike thug to pound your loose gash so you can feel something.

    3) You are too stupid to realize that even though the ghetto ape might be an alpha, the far more powerful and respected alpha is one who keeps his emotions and thuggery in check, and is therefore able to RUN SHIT. You know, the guys who make all the money and decisions that then trickle down to the ghetto ape.

    We all know who is on top of the heap in the alpha hierarchy, but it’s not the guys you are banging.

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  182. plumber

    it doesn’t matter what u do as long as u make good money and you don’t sell your morals.

    Plainly presented by one who is the true avatar of morality.

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  183. Dat_Truth_Hurts

    There is no marriage strike.

    There just is simply no incentive for a large number of men to marry anymore.

    You forget to state the reason.

    The Nintendoized Male is today in a perpetual state of adolescence and therefore, unable to collectively plan the organizing of a strike.

    Marriage simply evaporated because it “just happened.”

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  184. “so uh, yeah, they’re taking your game buddy! gotta watch that one.”

    nah, once a girl’s been fucked by a couple of the type of guys you describe, she’s damaged goods and no one wants her any more except beta losers.

    I don’t need the trash that Tyrone and KeyShaun left on the curb.

    Besides, pussy isn’t really that great, it’s just a fun diversion while we make money and consolidate power. But, it’s only fun when the price is low (in effort or money). It just isn’t worth that much.

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  185. It’s amusing how the discussions on this board nearly always devolve into pissing contests over the definition of “who’s alpha” and how self-referential those definitions always are.

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  186. BDS

    It’s amusing how the discussions on this board nearly always devolve into pissing contests over the definition of “who’s alpha” and how self-referential those definitions always are.

    Well, all my Alpha posts if Alpha wisdom are apparently unintelligible to you, you beta dregs.

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  187. pffft…you’re the most clueless one here

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  188. @Dat_Truth_Hurts

    You make good points. It’s a bit funny, though, how you deny the “marriage strike” and then proceed to enumerate exactly why guys would never marry an Amerifiend.

    But your points are good. The “marriage strike” was never organized to begin with. It doesn’t work that way. Its effectiveness lies precisely in millions of men deciding individually NOT to do something because that decision (marriage) just doesn’t make sense anymore.

    You’re right. There is no more incentive. Women are on their own now, and I doubt many of them realize it. Big daddy goverment used you BIG time (to double the tax base and destroy the family simultaneously), and now Big daddy government is BROKE, so your sorry-female-arse is (very) soon to be a very long creek without a paddle.

    As for the little gutter-snipes like BDS, please take your amusement from this Board. Please enjoy yourself now. I implore you to amuse yourself as much as you can. The clock is ticking, and the time is short. Please, please enjoy yourself now.

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  189. Lemme guess…the country’s coming to an end. Got it.

    I can’t imagine anyone forecasting the current system going down the tubes is exactly knocking the cover off the ball.

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  190. @BDS

    Like most fee-males, you didn’t get it.

    I ain’t forecasting “the system going down.”

    I’m forecasting what’s going to happen to Kupcakes like you when it does.

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  191. @BDS

    Like most fee-males, you didn’t (and don’t) get it.

    I ain’t forecasting “the system going down.”

    I’m forecasting what’s going to happen to Kupcakes like you when it does.

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  192. Let me add, “didn’t get it, don’t get it, and WON’T ever get it.

    hehehe

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  193. BDS

    pffft…you’re the most clueless one here

    ok girl, like all the others, i’ll go to Jared to get you that Chocolate Diamond and make you lurv me.

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  194. “hehehe” = BDS, you touched a nerve

    firepower – Sorry, I don’t swing that way. I suspected you did, though. Thanks for confirming it.

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  195. ohnoes – the peenie challenge on me manhood.

    Fine thanks I get
    for offering you
    my cock to suck

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  196. BDS is like a puppy with low self-esteem.

    They piss all over everything.

    Enough with the submissive urination, girlfriend.

    LOL

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  197. in reference to the “the” arguements:

    comparing a low class alpha to a self made successful alpha is similiar to compairing a pretty girl to a victoria’s secret model (or insert your preference here).

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  198. Yep, I’m afraid you’re gonna have to wait another several years for anyone to take you up on that.

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  199. in other words, you are arguing that outliers defy generalizations. no shit?

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  200. Man, we need a new article to comment on.

    With no dynamic flow, the little girls start coming out of the woodwork to piss on everything.

    Insufferable.

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  201. ach so Herr Citizen Renegade!
    das ist vielleicht sehr interessant!

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  202. @Nestorius

    C’est vrai, mon ami. Il nous faut quelque chose de vraiment interessant.

    J’ai ras-le-bol de ces salopes americaines.

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  203. You guys are funny when you fight. I like all the nick names….very creative! lol!!haha!

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  204. Je crois qu’il est germanophones

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  205. I agree with HUX. Poor guy’s having to repeat his only two insults over and over.

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  206. C’est rigolo…

    elle n’arrive pas a comprendre….SALOPE

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  207. Stupid in TWO languages – impressive.

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  208. lol don’t be mad bro

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  209. Off your game a little, BDS?

    Ridiculing what you fail to understand.

    Typical.

    Buh-bye. Buh-bye.

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  210. I’m calling bullshit. This never happened.

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  211. xsplat, no. I can see how I could be misread. Yes we can tell the taste differences between wines, but the point I was making is that our perception of the quality of the wine is largely coloured by our notion of that wine’s value – either through its reputation or price.

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  212. Legion, I’d be curious if there were any correlation between how much a label influences perception and the degree that a person is hypnotically suggestible.

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  213. I have a trail of scorned women left in my wake from over the years. Once they start becoming disruptive to my life, the pussy cost ratio becomes to great to bear and I give them the elbow. Does that make me alpha? I don’t think a woman has dumped me since I was 20 or so. My game seemed to evolve naturally I suppose.

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  214. all this and he was a *gulp* state school grad??? yikes.

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  215. that girl has a lot of rational (i would call irrelevant) standards on that list. it may be game that that guy has or it may be his smell that might have had her hooked. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Odor_and_Subconscious_Human_Sexual_Attraction ).

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  216. I’d also be curious to see correlations between suggestibility and beta traits. Suggestibility helps social cohesion, and Alphas tend to care less about that, and are more into sussing out selfish opportunities. Alphas are the charismatics who hypnotize the masses.

    Some people are barely suggestible.

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  217. […] – “Womens’ Standards Crumble Easily Given the Right Incentives“, “Predicting a Girl’s […]

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  218. You know what is the problem with this culture? People here seem to lack the ability to distinguish being “nice” and being “good”. I am dead serious. They are more impressed by superficiality than what lies beneath. Just look at Facebook. Anybody can become an “activist” by simply taking two seconds to change their status.

    It is this same attitude that prevents people from realizing that “good” is not equivalent to being a wimp. It requires holding the people around you accountable for their actions, and standing up for yourself and for what is right. A man who truly “good”, holds the women near him to the same standards. That takes guts, assertiveness, and a backbone.

    Women, though, being the emotional creatures that they are, fail to distinguish between a man who uses this strength for good from that who uses it for bad. They are so hungry for external displays of power over them, that they ignore in what context and within what other characteristics it comes in. This is how they end up with the “douchebags” and “losers”.

    Women, being more amoral as a group, will respond equally to a “good” man who firm and still kind, as they will to the type of guy described in this post. Yet something tells me that they are slowly becoming spiritually starved and that this could possibly change. I think they are beginning to realize there is an emptiness to their shallow lives. What tells me this is the fact that conversion rates to Islam in England by British women are increasing. I do not have data to back up this claim, though, so it could be wrong.

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  219. Yeah if women actually kept their checklist and seriously demanded every single item bet met on her “check list” there would be so many single lonely women that would be so pissed off at the world. Yeah both men and women have this mental checklist but men tend to grasp reality in the dating world far faster than a lot of women and men understand that it would never work to keep that checklist and constantly deny every woman and constantly say no like so many women do. A lot of women are way too overly picky until they realize that if they keep on saying no to every single man, time is slipping away from them, they get more and more depressing, pissed off at the world and if these women keep it up they eventually become unbearable with their constant bitching that not only men don’t want anything to do with her, her women friends grow tired of her constant bitching and eventually don’t want to talk to her, don’t want to take anymore of her phone calls and her friends end up getting married, starting their families all the while her single friend is still single, bitching, having the lonely one night stands with complete strangers from the bars and wonders why no guys wants anything to do with her and her friends ignore her.

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  220. Women tend to love men for their character, while men tend to love women for their looks. This is because men already have character . . . now all they require is visual stimulation and the softening caress of feminine innocence. Women need a base, men seek a supplement.

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  221. If I may interject.. As a british educated indonesian girl (of mixed descent) from an upper middle class family, I choked endlessly in mirth after having read the details involved ‘gaming’ his ‘conquests’. I assure you that in my circle, the women he ‘games’ are of subpar quality (although I can see why and perhaps force myself to sympathise a little to plight of aging, average looking [ahem omega] expats over here). You must understand that as a third world country, the general population has a ways to go in terms of being cultured and truly educated, and that ‘whiteness’/’foreigners’ are somewhat valued by the socioeconomically more limited (hence the popularity of mixed raced white indonesians on tv eg in soaps and commercials, which mainly cater to the lower middle class and below). In these past few years, the gap between the advantaged and disadvantaged keep increasing. These girls he dated are those who have never had global exposure or education, and whose upbringing was not culturally rich. They mingle within the confines of their status/ social circle, and so dating any old foreign man gives them the delusion of being ‘special’ which feeds back into the expats pitiful ego. You can shower the women in my social circle with as many tiffanys as you want, they/we”d never be caught dead dating somebody like him. Not only would it be status lowering to the extreme, but his so called ‘game’ has no existing equivalent in our lingo. The whole concept just disintegrates. Anyway, if anything his post gave me major lulz.

    And yes, I have a checklist but justifiably so. I was blessed with the kind of looks that will age well (no cigarettes/alcohol/prescription meds/outlandish clubbing environment helps too). I must say though, that men in my social circle bore and annoy me, and those of a lower strata are often unstimulating. I have never deliberately led a guy. Most kinds of “gaming” turn me off. What can I say, having had my kind of upbringing, what I look for is character, integrity, personality (similar to mine, preferably with more wisdom, life experience and an interest in humanities and the arts), charisma and intelligence. Alongside some semblance of normality (I could without the grandiosity and superficiality of those in my social circle), you know like valuing the things that matter in life. Somebody existential but also adventurous.hmmm.. Oh well, if all else fails I figure I’d just be a single mother to adopted kids I mean, I’m blessed with a good upbringing and appearance but all this sexual politics isn’t the be all and end all in life

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  222. *by his I meant ‘explats’

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  223. […] woman’s 463 bullet point checklist is suddenly rendered null and void when she is in the company of a man with game/charisma. The qualifications she lists in her OkCupid […]

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  224. […] things she needs in a guy before considering him as a potential mate, a guy can just as easily subvert her standards with a tad bit of game. This is especially true with cougars. In the face of overly charismatic […]

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  225. […] of socially acceptable conspicuous consumption. Female “standards” are really just a stumbling block to deter pussies and cowards. If a woman is saying that a man good enough for her must have designer clothes, a luxury car, and […]

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