Stop Worrying About Giving Women Orgasms

We all know from endless studies and surveys that women have a more difficult time than men achieving orgasm during sex. Many theories have been put forward to explain this mystery, and even to explain why the female orgasm exists in the first place since it’s not necessary like the male orgasm is for procreation. Upsuck theory (women cum when their bodies want to “vacuum up” an alpha male’s seed), bonding theory (female orgasm releases hormones that bonds women to their partners), and mate assessment theory (alpha males don’t hurry love) all sound plausible, but perhaps the answer to the mystery of the inconsistent female orgasm is a lot more banal than any of those exotic theories. It might be that women who were born with their clits closer to their lips have an easier time cumming than women whose clits are a long ways off from their vaginas.

So if your woman has a clitoris-vagina distance (C-V distance) less than 2.5 centimeters, she’s going to think you’re the best lover in the world, no matter how much you smell like ass (link sent by Randall Parker):

[S]imple physiology may have a lot to do with orgasm ease — specifically, how far a woman’s clitoris lies from her vagina.

That number might predict how easily a woman can experience orgasms from penile stimulation alone — without help from fingers, toys or tongue — during sexual intercourse.

In fact, there’s even an easy “rule of thumb,” Wallen says: Clitoris-vagina distances less than 2.5 cm — that’s roughly from the tip of your thumb to your first knuckle — tend to yield reliable orgasms during sex. More than a thumb’s length? Regular intercourse alone typically might not do the trick.

How funny that all the rending of garments by men and women over how to please women in bed might come down to a simple matter of the woman being born with the luck of a short C-V distance. This explanation is so unsexy, but it has the advantage of absolving men of any responsibility for bringing their lovers to orgasm.

“You came already?? But I wasn’t finished!”

“Honey, blame your parents for your large C-V distance. Now be quiet, I’m trying to get some sleep.”

Personally, I haven’t noticed any commonalities among the easily orgasmic women I’ve been with, other than that younger women tend to be better lubed and quicker to cum than older women. (Older = 30+). I’ve been fortunate (or extremely skilled) that most of the women I’ve banged had no trouble reaching orgasm. It’s too bad I didn’t know about C-V distance before, because my natural curiosity for all things beyond the pale would have compelled me to eyeball my exes’ C-Vs while going down on them. I’m pretty sure one of my Russian exes had the shortest C-V in history, if premature vaj juice expulsion is any indication.

The theory of C-V distance does beg the question — why did women evolve variable C-V distances? Why aren’t all women equipped with short C-V distances and free flowing orgasms? Maybe like other variable traits, evolution has thrown a mix of C-Vs into the female population to fill niche ecosystems. Perhaps women with larger C-Vs make better long term partners and mothers because they aren’t being tempted to pursue orgasmic release with every high value guy they see.

I do have some observations about women and their orgasms.

  • Every woman has her unique “finishing position” which she favors for bringing herself to completion. They will want to revert to this position when they feel a big O is nearing the bend. There is no generalization that can be made about the finishing position, except that these positions tend to squeeze the woman’s box tighter. For some women, the finishing position is on top. For others, it’s ankles behind ears. Still others (likely those women who get off on the submissive aspect of lovemaking) favor doggy style for the cunt de grace.
  • An experienced man can usually tell when a woman is having a real orgasm. The gina contractions and facial tics don’t lie.
  • If you date a squirter, you will always know if she’s faking. Have towels handy.
  • Moaning is highly variable. Some women tense up and go completely silent at the moment of little death. Others cry out to their god (“I’m right here watching over you, babe”).
  • I once dated a woman whose clit was tiny. I could barely find it. She was only capable of orgasm through intercourse. Licking and fingering did nothing for her. She said the inside of her vagina was very sensitive. I took this to mean that she had a well-developed G Spot, which made it easier for her to cum from sex. I verified this when I stuck my finger up there and felt a large, ridged swatch of skin on her anterior vaginal wall.
  • I have faked an orgasm with women a few times in my life. Yes, ladies, men do it too. Sometimes we’re bored of the endless pounding. Or you’re not that hot.

I have a suggestion for men who want to make their frigid bitches cum. UNLUBED SEX. Yep, don’t wait for her to mist up, just shove your dry rod in by surprise. The friction created by the intense pain of sandpaper sex will force her clit closer to her labia, thus providing exceptional stimulation. Many tears of love will flow afterwards.





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  1. trenchant.

    i had never heard the C-V ratio before, but i’m going to look from now on. “here baby, hold this ruler, riiiiiight there. Thanks.” ~~ pulls out notepad and pencil ~~ opens up excel spreadsheet.

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  2. OOOOOOH. I LIKE IT LIKE THAT. SHE WORKIN THAT FAT. I DONT KNOW HOW TO ACT. SLOW MOTION FO MEEH. SLOW MOTION FO MEEH. SLOW MOTION FOR MEEH MOVE IT SLOW MOTION FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHH

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  3. *this would make sense as a lower measure would imply more friction on the clit during intercourse. but it doesn’t discern whether they are vaginal or clitoral orgasms, so i’m going to assume clitoral.

    *personally, i’m noticed that most women cum easiest either from being on top or missionary, although they prefer the orgasm from missionary.

    *i’ve faked it as well…during oral. i told her i didn’t want to cum in her mouth and pretended i shot it in a sock.

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  4. I didn’t even remember what or where the clitoris is, I had to look it up.

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  5. I predict that bringing the C closer to the V will be the next big think in corrective cosmetic plastic surgery.

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  6. I think one of the biggest contributers to the female orgasm – how intense it is for women, how wet she gets, how much her body shakes in pleasure, etc. – is the woman’s state of mind/emotion with the man she is with while having sex.

    A few weeks ago, an ex came down to visit me. When we were fooling around, I wasn’t going down on her but simply fingering while kissing her. She said (being the horny devil she is) that she orgasms all the time, but I was the only one to be able to give the G-Spot orgasm. She said whenever she tries to do it with anyone else that she feels like she has to pee, then stops.

    Being that we were inseparable for years and so comfortable with each other, this was what we both came up with as an explanation. The comfort level between us and her ability to really relax and clear her head as I’m pleasing her, then to get the orgasm.

    That is the best thing a man can do for a woman, is make her comfortable by building rapport, then do things that anybody WITHOUT that rapport wouldn’t be able to do. This:

    a.) gives her a break from overanalyzing every detail of everything, they can clear their mind and relax

    b) Introduces a rush of emotions that stimulates those pleasure receptors, making her feel unbelievable.

    c) Finally, she will associate YOU with those good feelings.

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  7. I agree with Brad. A groupie will come hard after she stuffs a catatonic Keith Richards’ limp noodle into herself, while an earnest beta will fail to launch her into orbit despite his acrobatics.

    One of the hardest a girl ever came with me in first round is after a nasty argument during which I did my most hardcore, cruel asshole game ever.

    However, there is one are in which women’s coming yields purely to mechanistic explanations: in rounds 2, 3, and beyond. By her third one, she comes with a different voice.

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  8. on August 25, 2009 at 1:38 pm Raymo in LeDroit

    Diagram. Please provide a diagram

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  9. Please don’t shove your penises in our DRY vaginas by surprise.

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  10. on August 25, 2009 at 1:50 pm ironrailsironweights

    I have faked an orgasm with women a few times in my life. Yes, ladies, men do it too.

    There once was a harlot from Munich,
    Who was had in the park by a eunuch.
    At the moment of passion
    He shot her a ration
    From a squirt-gun concealed ‘neath his tunic
    .

    Peter

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  11. PA:

    some of the best sex i ever had with my ex was the day after she found months worth of correspondence between myself and a fling from years past. she left the night she found them, crying. when she came back the next day we did it; she hadn’t been that passionate in years.

    also, it’s always been my understanding that when a woman gets that “i have to pee” feeling, it means she’s about to squirt. most women hold this back, but they should be coaxed into just relaxing and letting it happen. at this point, break out your poncho and snorkel.

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  12. …um, a squirter can orgasm without squirting, and squirt without orgasming.

    I am now picturing an angry young man yelling at his partner, accusing her of faking an orgasm because she did not squirt and he knows that she’s capable of it. Ah, the magic.

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  13. It is largely mental. My woman comes pretty easily in the missionary position, but she comes a lot more when I’ve put her through an emotional trial. Not too long ago, she actually came twice while giving me a handjob (she wasn’t touching herself).

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  14. CHRONOLOGY OF JUNK SCIENCE

    Step #1. female associate of Freud develops theory and has her own clitoris spliced to experiment.

    Step #2. An Emory professor of neuropsychology studies anatomical data from #1 and “finds a correlation” He _hopes to to his own study!!_**

    Step #3. “Journalist” from LA Times summarizes #2.

    Step #4. Roissy writes a remix of junk science above.

    Step #5. Sex partners of Roissy disciples experience dissatisfaction and prefer to self-satisfy.

    **anony becomes dubious of guidance for newly matriculated neighbor/friend to this department.

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  15. “i have to pee” feeling

    That’s an interestng description. That’s what I called my states of proto-arousal some years before puberty (9 thru 11), prior to being able to pop a wood.

    This happened whenever I saw nudity on television or an adult non-relative female nude or topless in front of me.

    (Where I was raised — urban yuppie culture in iron curtain Eastern Europe, during 1970s — casual non-sexual nudity in front of non-relatives was not uncommon, such as a parents’ friend changing into a swimsuit, stepping out of the shower with the bathroom door open, etc.)

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  16. poetry:

    well, squirting implies expelled liquid. cumming implies release of fluid whether ejaculated or not.

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  17. The Clitoris?

    I don;t believe it exists….

    🙂

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  18. PA, what was wrong with you? Even normal babies can pop a wood.

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  19. Roissy,

    I reached that conclusion in high school.

    A persons only responsibility is towards himself (or herself). Since women are already self-centered and amoral, why should you care? As long as you are enjoying it, it does not matter.

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  20. I have little recollection of how things down there worked that many years ago, and no recollection whatsoever of when I was a baby. Maybe it got thicker and longer or whatever but as much as I’d like to, I can’t give you the anatomical details.

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  21. Q. How do you make a girl cum?

    A. Who cares.

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  22. Look up “beg the question”.

    Sorry for the SWPL usage comment.

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  23. Chuck,

    Yes, but there’s a major difference between the two. I squirt and the fluid that is produced when I orgasm is less than 2% of that of what I expel (unless, of course, it’s a squirting orgasm).

    If Roissy just meant an increase in lubrication, I retract my earlier comment, but his reference to towels leads me to believe he meant actual squirting.

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  24. Yeah, I think every young man goes through an initial phase where he constantly worries about making the girl cum.

    Later, you realize that

    1) women don’t really evaluate you as a bad lover if they don’t cum (women constantly blame themselves);

    2) in this day and age where masturbation is encouraged among women as is sexual exploration, if they can’t get themselves to cum or direct you how to do it, its their own fault;

    3) women ready to cum will cum on cue so long as it takes you more than 3 pumps to cum. So just don’t be a 3 pump chump and she’ll do the rest.

    4) women come for more sex for alphas, not on the number of orgasms you bring. Or, to put it another way, while the bun is nice, women come for the meat.

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  25. on August 25, 2009 at 2:34 pm Seeking Alpha

    Does this advice really hold up for married couples?

    A sexually satisfied wife is more submissive and yielding.

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  26. Here’s an excellent intstructional video on how to give your gal a squirting O. :

    http://www.redtube.com/15878

    J.S.

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  27. The last girl I dated (for a year) didn’t get anything from clit stimulation – it was all from around the vaj or inside. So she wasn’t much into receiving oral (but tongue’ing around the entrance would get her off). She would have an orgasm within a second or two of penetration and then have many more during intercourse (regardless of position). It was the dream. Too bad she had a major personality disorder.

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  28. Roosh’s observation is on point. How long before O joins in and the thread becomes a teenage bragging match.

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  29. If you want to give a girl orgasm during intercourse, sling her knees over your shoulders, and go for it mercilessly. Low C-V distance too.

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  30. I don’t get the connection between the title and contents.

    The C-V ratio only refers to orgasm from contact with the penis during penetration. If the C-V ratio is higher, then a thoughtful guy should put his tongue and/or fingers to work.

    Yeah, some women have a real hard time achieving orgasm for various reasons and if a woman can’t bring herself to orgasm then she shouldn’t expect some guy to be able to, but in the normal course of events a guy should make a reasonable effort. And the default assumption should be that a woman won’t be able to come from penetration alone, whatever else penetration is for women, it’s not the main road to O-ville.

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  31. Q: Why do girls fake orgasm?
    A: Cuz they think that guys care.

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  32. My un-scientific experience is that women with smaller fingers have smaller C-V distances. I’m almost programmed to see women with long fingers as hard-to-please, and thus more likely to be a biitch. Wondering if any other guys had this gut instinct as well.

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  33. Sofia:

    works for some, not for others. the trick i’ve found that works most often is to lean back during missionary thereby causing my dick to rub more against the top of the inside of her vagina. the same thing as curling up the finger to rub the g-spot.

    lurker:

    i’m more and more coming to the same conclusion of yours and roissy’s that the female orgasm isn’t as important as many young men think. it partially stems from too much porn in which we can quickly compare the “satisfaction” of a female pornstar based upon her *usually* exaggerated moaning and wailing. it dovetails into what i wrote in a post about The Lost art of Kissing in the Porn Age. Men are more focused on the outcome whereas women are more focused on the journey. A woman would rather be fucked well, without orgasm, in many different positions – providing that time-warp feeling – rather than the same position with a reliable orgasm.

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  34. @pa

    “A groupie will come hard after she stuffs a catatonic Keith Richards’ limp noodle into herself, while an earnest beta will fail to launch her into orbit despite his acrobatics.”

    Exactly. It is always exceedingly annoying to hear girls or beta-ized males talk about this position or that. Switching positions is all fine and good (especially with a repeat partner) but its not what makes sex great. A partner you have a real attraction to is what does it.

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  35. With respect to clitoral orgasms, I believe there’s something to the theory (vag orgasms, another story).

    A lovely gal friend I had a while back had the longest C-V distance I’ve ever encountered; I couldn’t help but notice it. In spite of her high notch count, she claimed she had never in her life orgasmed from intercourse. In fact, she could barely orgasm by frigging herself, and the only way she could reliably come was through the use of a semi-industrial strength vibrator. Oddly, this woman truly loved intercourse, and insisted on frequent and lengthy sessions, which, owing to her otherwise hotness, was a snap to accomodate.

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  36. If you want to give a girl orgasm during intercourse

    I prefer handing them the number to my Russian alpha male friend so I can rush home to explore the new porn that I downloaded.

    A woman would rather be fucked well, without orgasm, in many different positions

    To me, it makes no sense that you’d want to waste your time having sex without any orgasm when the whole purpose of sex is to achieve orgasm. We waste god knows how much time trying to find the best partner possible to maximize the orgasmic experience.

    I guess this is another reason to be pro-porn. Women’s sexuality is just screwy and weird.

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  37. Numb – “The last girl I dated (for a year) didn’t get anything from clit stimulation – it was all from around the vaj or inside. So she wasn’t much into receiving oral (but tongue’ing around the entrance would get her off). She would have an orgasm within a second or two of penetration and then have many more during intercourse (regardless of position). It was the dream. Too bad she had a major personality disorder.”

    Numb, I have a hypothesis that says that extraordinarily orgasmic women are about three times as likely to be nutcases than is the average woman. If so, I wonder what the evolutionary explanation for that one is.

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  38. “I have a suggestion for men who want to make their frigid bitches cum. UNLUBED SEX. Yep, don’t wait for her to mist up, just shove your dry rod in by surprise. The friction created by the intense pain of sandpaper sex will force her clit closer to her labia, thus providing exceptional stimulation. Many tears of love will flow afterwards”

    this is terrible advice

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  39. Dunno. For me, it’s psychological. I have the capacity to cum from vaginal stimulation alone or clitoral stimulation alone. But with one ex, I almost never came even though I can’t say that anything was wrong with his dick. He was just very boring.

    It’s partially about the things a guy says and the kind of attachment we feel for each other.

    Every boyfriend I had seemed to believe that I enjoyed sex every time we did it. That was not true and I don’t think I have ever faked an orgasm.

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  40. Even if you

    a. give your woman frequent orgasms.
    b. have a well paid job.
    c. have kids with her.
    d. care about her.

    Will it hinder her from screwing you over if she thinks she can get a better deal? Think about that..

    Isn’t that the real issue?

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  41. on August 25, 2009 at 3:32 pm Seeking Alpha

    Will it hinder her from screwing you over

    Yes.

    It won’t bring the odds to zero but it will lower them appreciably.

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  42. on August 25, 2009 at 3:33 pm Seeking Alpha

    Especially if you care about her enough to learn game and tease/dominate/ignore her at the right times.

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  43. Especially if you care about her enough to learn game and tease/dominate/ignore her at the right times.

    You’re right. I don’t care about her enough to engage in the mental acrobatics needed to do that. I have no qualms about directing her to somebody who will.

    [editor: then you will die alone and claw-handed.]

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  44. on August 25, 2009 at 3:38 pm Seeking Alpha

    engage in the mental acrobatics needed to do that

    Do you know how to engage your nieces and nephews? It’s different than how you engage your friends, right? Different groups of people require different social dynamics. After a little practice, a given type of social dynamics becomes second nature and the acrobatics are no more difficult than the calculus your brain performs to know where a fly ball will land.

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  45. Will it hinder her from screwing you over if she thinks she can get a better deal?

    That’s male thinking. For properly gamed women, alternatives to her man don’t even cross her mind. It’s never a good good idea to tempt fate by leaving her alone overnight in the same room as George Clooney, but short extreme scenarios, other guys won’t even register on her radar sexually.

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  46. I have a fat dick and its way over rated.
    Girls “finishing position” is the one that squeezes their box tighter? not with me, they take a position that stops me from going in deep.
    Unlubed sex? fucking forget it
    I have to concentrate on getting myself off before the girl tells me to stop. No time to worry about her big O

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  47. I don’t care about her enough to engage in the mental acrobatics needed to do that

    Engaging in these mental acrobatics is like playing guitar. Clumsy and awkward “acrobatics” when you don’t know what you are doing, but second nature and ultrafun once you’ve figured it out and been at it for a while.

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  48. Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

    Please.

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  49. After attempting to run half-assed game to signal a lack of interest in a girl, I’d argue that the only thing it does is make me mentally tired.

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  50. Seeking Alpha and PA,

    You are saying that their choices are based on moral and logical behavior. Believe in that, if you must..

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  51. The real qustion is, does the G Manifesto have futuristic techniques for making women come?

    Or does the GMan not need them or even think about it?

    Because a girl goes into pre-tremors the moment he lights his cigarette and locks his eyes on her, telepathically saying “it’s you.”

    “And you.”

    Referring to her friend.

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  52. You are saying that their choices are based on moral and logical behavior.

    I said the exact opposite: a properly gamed women is a woman whose inner reptile you OWN, rendering her oblivious to reason, such as looking for better deals.

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  53. on August 25, 2009 at 3:55 pm Seeking Alpha

    Lucifer,

    No one said anything about moral. And girls actions are logical and rational if viewed from an evo psych perspective.

    You DA TJF, etc., seem too bitter to view the situation rationally yourselves. You dismiss their goal (fuck an alpha, to be simple) because it marginalizes you. Rather than accept the goal and recognize the resultant behavior as rational, you dismiss their goal, substitute your own, and then judge them as immoral and irrational.

    Its childish.

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  54. After attempting to run half-assed game to signal a lack of interest in a girl, I’d argue that the only thing it does is make me mentally tired.

    That’s like what Eddie Van Halen said after his first guitar lesson.

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  55. Clumsy and awkward “acrobatics” when you don’t know what you are doing

    No, it means that you suck and you lack talent in that field. If you had talent, you’d play decently in the first place.

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  56. @ Seeking Alpha

    No one said anything about moral. And girls actions are logical and rational if viewed from an evo psych perspective.

    You DA TJF, etc., seem too bitter to view the situation rationally yourselves. You dismiss their goal (fuck an alpha, to be simple) because it marginalizes you. Rather than accept the goal and recognize the resultant behavior as rational, you dismiss their goal, substitute your own, and then judge them as immoral and irrational.

    Its childish.

    SRSLY. SRSLY!!!

    That’s all for today, folks.

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  57. PA,

    I guess you have never owned or studied the behavior of non-mammalian animals. Hint- you cannot own them.

    The cleverer ones can develop attachments to you and proto-mammals like the echinada have an amazing brain (mammalian ability mapped on a reptilian brain). But they have a different, maybe purer logic.

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  58. You DA TJF, etc., seem too bitter to view the situation rationally yourselves. You dismiss their goal (fuck an alpha, to be simple) because it marginalizes you.

    To me, sex without orgasm comes across as a giant waste of time and energy.* Essentially, you just performed a weird exercise routine with somebody for fifteen to thirty minutes, and you’re just hot, sweaty, tired, and miserable. Given that one can deliver their own orgasm by themselves, it seems really silly to engage in sex with no orgasm when that time could have spent alone securing orgasm or finding somebody who can deliver orgasm.

    Mind you, I understand why women crave alphas. They deliver an experience that the average beta male just isn’t capable of delivering. Of course, one would suspect that alphas would deliver mind-shattering orgasms on demand.

    *David has the fun trait of somehow not orgasming from penis in vagina sex. It’s rather frustrating and annoying.

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  59. Seeking Alpha,

    I am fine with rational behavior, just don’t complain about the consequences of such behavior.

    Short term optimizations have their problems..

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  60. Seeking Alpha,

    Did anyone ever tell you that Randism is a secular religion.

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  61. on August 25, 2009 at 4:11 pm Seeking Alpha

    Lucifer

    So you agree at least that their behavior is logical given their goals? Glad to see we’re getting somewhere.

    Now that you agree, we have to focus on your belief that there is no correlation between probability of adultery and your position on the scale of alpha/beta.

    R2 0

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  62. on August 25, 2009 at 4:12 pm Seeking Alpha

    Did anyone ever tell you that Randism is a secular religion.

    No, no one has ever worded it as poorly as that. Do elaborate though. Its not particularly relevant to me as I’m committed to no ideology except the truth, but your thoughts on it would be more interesting than the economics of an all-hooker sexual diet or the decline of the lucky white man.

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  63. Seeking Alpha,

    Actions have consequences, which change according to available options and feedback loops.

    That is the real problem..

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  64. DA,

    “To me, sex without orgasm comes across as a giant waste of time and energy.* Essentially, you just performed a weird exercise routine with somebody for fifteen to thirty minutes, and you’re just hot, sweaty, tired, and miserable.”

    Seriously? Like, seriously seriously?

    No insult intended, truly, but I think you’re doing something wrong on a potentially epic level.

    I understand the frustration of not being to orgasm through standard sex, I’ve been with a couple of guys that are like that and it causes all sorts of issues for them regarding their sexuality and view of sex itself, but it can be worked through. Not so they can orgasm more (or at all), but so they can enjoy themselves and lose the frustration.

    But that’s coming from my idea that the most important sex organ a person can have is their brain. You go into sex waiting to be frustrated, knowing without a doubt you aren’t going to orgasm, viewing the whole thing as a pointless exercise and it’s not much of a surprise when you fulfill your own prophecy.

    On the other hand, sex isn’t the end all to happiness. So whatever works for you.

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  65. Belief in anything that requires the believer to use sophism to deflect contradictory evidence is a religion. Randism also suggests that a perfect world is possible.

    Randism is sadly nothing more than an attempt to use sophism to dress up zero sum behavior.

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  66. on August 25, 2009 at 4:25 pm Seeking Alpha

    Well ‘Randism’ (Objectivism) states that ‘that the proper moral purpose of one’s life is the pursuit of one’s own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for individual rights.’

    It’s a moral argument that you can either agree or disagree with, but there is no sophism at work here.

    I agree with the two statements above, just not with the conclusions Rand draws from them.

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  68. on August 25, 2009 at 4:27 pm Seeking Alpha

    Randism also most certainly does NOT believe a perfect world is possible. I don’t know where you got that.

    Focus more on your core ideas and less on the pretty rhetoric and logical jargon you use to dress them up. It will make you a stronger writer. Your style now may confuse some people into agreeing with you, but intelligent people will see the pig beneath your lipstick.

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  69. Seeking Alpha,

    You still believe that life has a moral purpose.

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  70. Seeking Alpha,

    The course of events is the only validation I care about.

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  71. on August 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm Seeking Alpha

    Boring Lucifer

    Moral purpose is not an intrinsic property of ‘life’. It is something you give to your life. You can choose whatever moral purpose you’d like, or none at all. But you always make the choice, one way or another.

    Rand recommends the pursuit of happiness as the moral purpose one chooses.

    Morality is a code of conduct and is always subjective. The only way to ‘judge’ a moral purpose is to set a goal for it and then judge its effectiveness.

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  72. Seeking Alpha,

    You believe that life has a purpose or meaning, I do not.

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  73. on August 25, 2009 at 4:38 pm Seeking Alpha

    *Yawn*

    I never said that Lucifer. Your writing is incredibly boring. You should write a book full of these witless aphorisms. They sound deep to the unintelligent but don’t take a stance or say anything meaningful.

    SWPLs would love it.

    You need a new name though. Lucifer is anything but boring. Your domain is purgatory, not hell.

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  74. Rand was against promiscuity.

    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/sex.html

    The man who despises himself tries to gain self-esteem from sexual adventures—which can’t be done, because sex is not the cause, but an effect and an expression of a man’s sense of his own value . . .

    The men who think that wealth comes from material resources and has no intellectual root or meaning, are the men who think—for the same reason—that sex is a physical capacity which functions independently of one’s mind, choice or code of values. They think that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for you just about in some such way as if iron ore transformed itself into railroad rails of its own volition. Love is blind, they say; sex is impervious to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man’s sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he’s taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment—just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!—an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in the confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego as his standard of value. He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience—or to fake—a sense of self-esteem . . . . Love is our response to our highest values—and can be nothing else.

    —————————————-

    Deep down, most players are revengeful betas or low life cowards. Miss Rand was onto something.

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  75. Seeking Alpha,

    Think I care about your opinions?

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  76. on August 25, 2009 at 4:49 pm Seeking Alpha

    @ Feminist X – She had the protagonist of her best known novel sleep with all three male characters and she cheated on her husband with a young disciple.

    If she was against promiscuity, she had a funny way of showing it.

    She was a very strange woman.

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  77. Seriously? Like, seriously seriously?

    Sex is primarily reproductive in nature, but otherwise, we have sex in order to extract orgasms from other people. If they fail to do that, then they have wasted our time.

    You go into sex waiting to be frustrated

    That’s the thing. I didn’t go into sex being frustrated, and this was before I started masturbating on a twice daily basis. I thought it was just having a long refraction time from oral sex, but future episodes of sex didn’t leave to any orgasm at all with no previous oral sex orgasm. It came across as rather pointless.

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  78. Um it should be fucking obvious that Rand was the quintessential hypergamous. And essentially very proud of it.

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  79. Forget measuring your dick fellows get the newest fan-dangled gizmo gauranteed to have her beggin for more.

    The CV ruler will fit in your wallet right beside your rubber.

    Measure your little hottie’s Clit-Vag Distance in one easy step. If she’s not within the red markings – forget trying to bring her joy – she is defective.

    Watch the video to see how easy it is.

    Cue cheesy muzac

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    LR is spread eagled on the bed with her seven inch stipper heels and acrylic nails

    DA approaches with his magnifying glass and his C-V ruler

    DA grins as he realized she falls outside the margins of squealing fun. He has nothing to prove he can whale away knowing she wouldn’t have gotten anything good out of it anyway.

    Fade to black (no pun intended)

    This message brought to you by the people who gave you Whack ON/Whack Off

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  80. DA,

    “Sex is primarily reproductive in nature, but otherwise, we have sex in order to extract orgasms from other people. If they fail to do that, then they have wasted our time.”

    Yes, it’s primarily reproductive in nature, but there are many other purposes to it, ones that don’t deal in orgasms. I know many will disagree with me, but I do not believe the orgasm is the end all be all to sex.

    “It came across as rather pointless.”

    I honestly don’t know much about you, other than what has been said by commenters on this and other blogs, something along the lines of that you don’t engage in sex or believe in having a girlfriend and prefer porn because of women being… annoying? Illogical? Difficult? Pointless? I don’t remember. Is that accurate?

    I do remember reading or hearing about a study where they isolated either human babies or chimp babies from ever experiencing touch from another of their species, and while most of them died or had some sort of significant psychological damage, some survived and were, by all observable accounts, perfectly fine on a psychological level.

    Thought that was rather fascinating. Should probably try to dig it up.

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  81. Rand also believed the natural place of a woman was beneath her man, and felt that a woman in chains—no literally, chained up—was both highly erotic and the way it should be.

    And people wonder why I love Ayn Rand.

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  82. lucifer, let’s rephrase that

    “Even if you
    a. give your man frequent orgasms.
    b. have a well paid job.
    c. have kids with him.
    d. care about him.
    Will it hinder him from screwing you over if he thinks he can get a better deal? Think about that..
    Isn’t that the real issue?”

    Neither men nor women are particularly loyal to present partners if they think they can do significantly better (balancing concern for present partner vs anticipation of future benefits). The only difference is the definition of ‘significantly better’

    for women: more status, more resources

    for men: younger, better looking (more secondary markers of fertility)

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  83. Seeking Alpha

    She had the protagonist of her best known novel sleep with all three male characters and she cheated on her husband with a young disciple.

    If she was against promiscuity, she had a funny way of showing it.

    She was a very strange woman.

    It should be possible for the husband of such a woman to cast her out and financially devastate her as the consequence of such actions, at least with respect to any reliance on or enjoyment of further resources from him.

    At the time Ayn Rand wrote, men could do that to wives that acted in such a way, unless she were independently wealthy, but in any event could with respect to their own resources.

    That fundamentally affected the power balance between the sexes. Of course in the Anglosphere countries there was also a good deal, often too much, chivalry to often/sometimes soften these effects.

    Now feminists have through legal changes made divorce and child support=alimony laws so female titled that he can no longer do that to a spouse who cheats in any emotionally devastating way. (Note, though I’ve started ready Rand a couple of times, I’ve never finished anything by her so this is a comment on the scenario quoted, not whatever deeper interpersonal dynamics beyond the obviously suggested might have been at play.)

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  84. rand ALSO believed a woman naturally wanted to look up to and admire a man, in fact she used the words “hero worship” to describe it.

    dagny slept with all three in a serially monogamous way, not in a slutty way. each represented her highest values and were “worthy” of her worship. i would imagine rand thought it highly unlikely any individual woman would find three men of their caliber in her lifetime.

    she wasn’t opposed to rational persons having multiple partners, she was opposed to promiscuously giving away sex and love to people who didn’t reflect your highest values.

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  85. I know many will disagree with me, but I do not believe the orgasm is the end all be all to sex.

    Given that this is website that caters to pick up artists, one could argue that some have no use for the other functions of sex.

    something along the lines of that you don’t engage in sex or believe in having a girlfriend and prefer porn because of women being…

    Oh, I don’t have a girlfriend or engage in sex because I couldn’t be bothered to deal with the time and energy to deal with women in a sexual fashion. In other words, a girlfriend or a sex partner is highly inconvenient to home-work-home lifestyle pattern. It’s much easier to download the porn that I want for free via varying methods, and jerk off whenever it’s convenient to do so with females on screen that meet my sexual needs. In other words, to secure my orgasm, I just turn on the external hard drive, find the group of scenes that I want and then masturbate to my heart’s content instead of driving out to some club and meeting women and then trying to figure the logistics of where to have sex, or driving over to my girlfriend’s house (or having to sneak her into the house) and then spending time trying to warm her up for sex.

    Plus, admittedly, I am utterly discouraged about my prospects for securing a girl for sexual purposes in real life. So it’s a laziness, lack of interest, and acknowledgement on my part as to why I prefer to deal with women in a non-sexual, platonic manner even if they show interest in me. It certainly explains why I have *never* asked a girl out, and why I avoid bars and clubs or any other supposed meeting place (that I don’t know about) to meet women. I suspect that men like myself would only be content in a world where men can just pick up women like buying a product off the shelf. Just use it when we need it, then put it away for next time.

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  86. doug, both barbara branden and rand’s hub frank o’connor were consulted and consented to the affair in advance–it was not a typical “cheating” scenario

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  87. wendy mcelroy article on the rape motif and rough sex in rand’s work

    http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.194

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  88. @poetry- DA is a highly niche-specific troll. what he writes about himself may or may not be true, or exaggerate, but it’s always to poke a little stick in the eyes of the alphas and wannabe alphas here. so take it all with a grain of salt.

    on the post – i agree with Brad and PA at the top, that the emotional state of the woman, and degree of attraction to her partner at that moment, is by far the most important factor. it’s true for men as well: the quality of orgasms varies pretty clearly with the intensity of arousal, based on his attractiion to his partner and other factors.

    i also find it kind of hard to believe that a simple anatomical variation of that kind would have been overlooked by all the sexologists, from Kinsey forward. I haven’t clicked on the links but there’s got to be some data or thinking out there about this topic prior to 2009.

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  89. DA is a highly niche-specific troll

    I’m a cross between a troll who pokes at alphas and an anti-social dysfunctional weirdo who wonders how the world of normal people work.

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  90. Lee:

    Girls “finishing position” is the one that squeezes their box tighter? not with me, they take a position that stops me from going in deep.

    I see that too. I.e., legs closing, squeezing me out from the vaj, pushing away, just at the moment of orgasm. I usually have to force my way in to stay balls deep. Wuzzupwidat ladies?

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  91. “Stop Worrying About Giving Women Orgasms”

    I never give females orgasms
    I cunningly lend them at
    usurous rates
    for repayment
    on demand

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  92. @FP – what’s your default rate? and default penalties?

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  93. Lucifer

    Seeking Alpha,

    Think I care about your opinions?

    Based on the amount of time Lucifer spent responding to Seeking Alpha in this thread, I’d say it was obvious that yes, Lucifer does care about SA’s opinions…

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  94. Stop Worrying About Giving Women Orgasms

    any man who subcribes to this sort of thinking should never get a woman. This is the reason why Femx is swimming in poon ladies and gentelmen. What point would any woman have for giving it up if she isn’t going to enjoy it.

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  95. Seeking Alpha:

    Randism also most certainly does NOT believe a perfect world is possible. I don’t know where you got that.

    I think what Lucifer means is that sophistry is involved in Rand’s contention that her morality leads to happiness/economic maximization for everyone, that it is not zero-sum.

    Incidentally, the finest example of Rand’s sophistry is her atrocious article “How To Lead A Rational Life In An Irrational Society.”

    Moral purpose is not an intrinsic property of ‘life’. It is something you give to your life. You can choose whatever moral purpose you’d like, or none at all. But you always make the choice, one way or another.

    “*The greatest cause of violence is the refusal to label violent behavior violent.*

    All human behavior is violent.

    By violence I mean, the act of getting more, the act of
    collecting space, the act of competing and negotiating, the act of living itself. Even digestion is violent. Violence, the killing and transforming of energy sources, is not
    a moral concept but a biological and psychological one.
    Making violence “moral” simply politicizes the making of weak, sick slaves. It is time that some of us have the stomach to face up to what we are really doing. In reality all living things are doing the same thing — living off of other living things.

    What makes humans different and possibly more dangerous is that we lie about it. Remember lies are useful as well as dangerous. We must ask ourselves who requires what set of lies to function. The more complex and confusing the standards which motivate lying the more cowardly (though possibly) creative the liar.
    Civilization and the social contract have at their base the exchange of personal violence for collective violence repackaged as deception.

    We agree to let other people be violent for us . The use of the word violence in this context is usually reserved for physical violence against other people. The social contract exchanges the “right” of physical violence of the individual, for collective violence known as “justice.”

    It is claimed by those who benefit most from the “social
    contract” that one of its purposes is to protect the weak from the strong. This is a gross deception. The truly strong find it inefficient to exploit weak individuals by physical violence. Direct exploitation runs a risk of revolt and a reduction in gross profits. The social contract allows the strong to exploit the weak without fear of their own blood being shed. Blood is too expensive for the strong.
    Insurance policies are cheaper and more profitable. ” -C.S.H.

    Morality is a code of conduct and is always subjective.

    ORLY? Don’t forget what your Good Book says, son…

    (And no, I am NOT afraid of your Jew Claw. Y’hear? I. AM. NOT. AFRAID.)

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  96. chic, i think roissy meant don’t WORRY about it, not don’t do it.

    female clitoral obsession since the female orgasm hysteria of the 70s is part of whats made modern women so unappealing–men made their jaws fall off and tied themselves into knots worrying about “was it good for you??”

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  97. dana:

    she wasn’t opposed to rational persons having multiple partners, she was opposed to promiscuously giving away sex and love to people who didn’t reflect your highest values.

    Well, for 99% of the female population, their “highest values” consist of things like money, material goods, big dicks and social dominance.

    How exactly does Rand’s novel formulation differ in anyway whatsoever from the amoral nature of women we see exposed here time after time?

    If anything, Rand gave whores a shiny new pretty lie to camoflauge what that have always done.

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  98. dana:

    doug, both barbara branden and rand’s hub frank o’connor were consulted and consented to the affair in advance–it was not a typical “cheating” scenario

    And Frank O’ Connor was driven to alcoholism by the whole affair, after being browbeaten into acceptance of the affair by his mannish wife, with all her pretty lies and sophistry.

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  99. the only true orgasm is given by the fuel

    ergo, worrying is fruitless for all but one.

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  100. tupac,

    for the record, i am not a full fledged objectivist in that i reject her interpersonal stuff and concentrate on the economics, metaphysics and politics.

    by values she meant philosophical and moral values, not the “things an individual woman may value”, like baubles and beads. dagny cherishes abd wears the reardon metal bracelet hank’s status whore wife rejects for being “common” and not of a substance recognized by everyone else as vauable (gold, diamonds) because she recognizes that reardon’s skills, ambition, talent, intelligence, ingenuity, independence and competence went into its making and she sees those traits as having a price above rubies.

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  101. tupac, of course, about the affair–i was merely pointing out to doug the nature of the affair, he seemed to think it was a run of the mill wife sneaks behind back dealie, which it wasn;t.

    rand’s personal life is a major embarrassment to me as someone who is in tune with much of her philosophy. i thought like rand and THEN read her ( i never even heard of her til my 30s somehow). having come to her late and after a good survey of the history of ideas i merely used her to fine tune what i already thought, which was at the time largely influenced by max stirner’s rational egoism.
    ( http://www.nonserviam.com ) i think that’s why i lack the slavish devotion and catch phrase philosophy of the general run objectivist

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  102. I personally don’t understand why men don’t consider a girl’s proclivity to orgasm from penetrative sex, at least after being heated up both emotionally by gaming dominance play and physically by oral and/or digital clitoral play, to be a whole lot more important to them than it seems to be for many. It sure matters to me. Its part of what I mean by how sexually hot, not just hot looking in a static picturesque sort of way, a woman is. Part of looking sexually hot to me is how receptive/hungry she looks for lusty sexual dominance (#2 below). But nerve and brain wiring, hormones, etc. and maybe this CL distance thing (#1 below), play a part two.

    It seems to me that women have organism primarily from sexually surrendering or submitting to overwhelming feelings – which have booth emotional and physical stimulative causes. Most women, but not all, require some physical stimulation of their clit and or g spot and other vaginal area to have an orgasm, but often the sense of being emotionally overwhelmed on the good side, or unable to let go (of higher brain control) on the bad side is more important. It think the later if strong enough is always enough.

    So there are two sides to a woman’s orgasm: 1) sufficient physical stimulation of her erogenous areas in the right ways for her; and 2) her emotional and mental surrender or sense of being overwhelmed by the man or at least the sexual experience.

    I think these two things are present when a woman self pleasures herself to orgasm as well. There she will be conjuring up fantasy images and especially scenarios that she imagines emotionally surrendering to.

    What’s the relative importance of what the man does as opposed to how the woman is, to these two sides of her orgasm, #1) physical erotic stimulation; and #2) inducing her emotional surrender? In both sides, but especially on #1) a truly pathetic male performance will leave most women incapable of orgasm. If he’s pathetic at #2 but good at #1, many women will be able to orgasm, but primarily by fantasizing what they’re surrendering to, in which case it becomes a lot like masturbation. Note I think a lot of the sex ed side of the sexual revolution of the seventies, aimed at teaching men to be good and patient at oral and fingering her, was primarily focused on giving female orgasms in this way, and on convincing women that that was where it’s at. This was good for betas and stable martial relationships with them (though not good enough to counteract other siren calls of the sexual and feminist upheavels, see the divorce rate skyrocketing at that time – course not every male was a good sex student or a sex student at all).

    However, when we move beyond the minimum to the great, I think men being good or great at the #2 side of inducing orgasm, that is inducing her emotional rollercoaster and surrender through strong male dominance, is a lot more important. That’s where her super powerful orgasms, and especially the emotionally mind bending ones lie. That’s what makes sex seriously dominant alpha who also knows how to put her on an emotional rollercoaster, so vastly much better than any masturbation or vibrator orgasm for all women I think, at least if they aren’t hard wired lesbians.

    Contrary to popular belief, I think cock size is a lot more important in contributing to #2 than to #1. That is I think it’s much more important in making a woman feel the man is a dominating and emotionally overwhelming lover than it is in giving her greater stimulation that’s actually in itself erotic. In fact it can begin as painful if he’s especially big not to mention porn star big, in a normally stretched vagina. It’s mainly her mind and huger to be dominated that translates even the pain to eroticism and then the sense of greater fullness to greater surrender to a dominating male. Some of this is natural; more has I think has been serious upped by porn, esp. when the girl’s seen quite a lot of huge dicked male female porn or the garden variety these days (as opposed to girl girl). As well of course a large endowment helps male confidence and sense of masculine dominance, again particularly in this age of mass porn. In the end I think large and especially very large cock size only matters a lot to women when they think it does. That is I really do think that’s all in their head (saving when he’s really small perhaps.)

    Both things are true as well in reverse. A smallish penis will underwhelm a woman especially one used to porn or much bigger equipment directly, and will be a psychological hurdle to a male’s sense of confidence and ability to pull off serious male dominance. It need not stop him from feeling, projecting and making her feel overwhelming male dominance however, as a brave commenter or two on here have made quite clear. (A real small one might produce insufficient stimulation or anyway way less, but I’m guessing there too it’s mostly in her and his head unless he’s really unusual.) Though cultural messages might have made things different in different times and places. I think NE Asian men are in many ways suffering quite a bit from this international shift, partly porn induced. In the end though I think what a man projects as male dominance in what he does if far more important, at least unless he’s tiny, and certainly within the normal range on up through large to huge.

    Big really isn’t going to do it for most not fetishizing girls unless the man has the alpha emotional dominance thing, aka game, down.

    Anyway, in the end, I think alpha roller coaster playing with her emotions, building to unambiguously strong male dominance, particularly if it has a real D/s flavor (though not necessarily at all fetishized), is what gives women the most satisfying sexual experiences even if they aren’t always orgasm, but also gives her the best orgasm. (Some skillful #1 in the early or intermediate stages will often help ensure that it ends not only in emotional satisfaction, but also that accompanied by a shattering orgasm.)

    Course it helps a lot if she herself is well wired for 1), and emotionally disposed and hungry for 2). A whole lot less work then. (But others will find that true too.)

    All of this summarizing what I think I’ve learned about female orgasm also dovetails pretty perfectly into what the great majority of women actually fall for most in men for pickup, i.e. as dating/sexual playmates only. It’s the ability to game or playfully manipulate and dominate her emotionally that’s where it’s at. Far above all other things, so long as you know where the clitoris is. And maybe even if you don’t.

    It’s in this sense that advice by alphas for males to not worry about the woman’s orgasm makes the most sense. It’s really saying to not become obsessed by it or to become slavish about trying to give it. That’s not the same as not wanting sex with you to be emotionally overwhelming to her. In most cases, you do the later (#2) and some of the former (#1) at least a good deal of the time, you’re gonna be gold.

    Especially with those golden girls that cum easily for alphas.

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  103. dana men made their jaws fall off

    a hidden jem.
    This made me smile.

    there should be classes for men to learn that skill. After all, there are classes for us women. God knows they need such classes more than we do.

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  104. maurice

    @FP – what’s your default rate? and default penalties?

    a good Swiss banker
    never divulges his methods

    …unless
    Democrat regimes
    put a gun to his head 😉

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  105. doug I personally don’t understand why men don’t consider a girl’s proclivity to orgasm from penetrative sex

    most women don’t “enjoy” themselves that way. YOu must do the extras buddy.

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  106. If orgasm is the point of sex, why bother having a human partner? Just have orgasms. Incredibly strong orgasms are easy to get by self stimulation. It is boring.

    I find the whole sex shebang incredible fun. The rougher, the more frenetic, the drunker (up to a point), the crazier, the more adventurous the girl, the better. The big orgasm may or may not come (I am an older man), but, hey, after an hour to three of such activity, I really don’t care.

    So, LISTEN UP D.A., you are missing the point of being human (Hell, the point of being a primate!) if you think sex is just about orgasms.

    About the female orgasm. Shouldn’t we really hear from the ladies?

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  107. on August 25, 2009 at 7:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Firepower
    “Stop Worrying About Giving Women Orgasms”

    I never give females orgasms
    I cunningly lend them at
    usurous rates
    for repayment
    on demand””””””’

    That is the way it should be.

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  108. Okay, how many people think that D’Anconia and Reardon set up housekeeping together after the end of Atlas Shrugged? Is their relationship gayer than Brokeback Mountain and Milk (and Priscilla Queen of the Desert) combined or what?

    IIRC in real life Branden started screwing Rand because she matched his philosophy and sex-drive closer than his not-so-horny wife (presumably Rand and her husband’s sex life had died on the vine some years previously). He then dumped her when he found a younger, prettier woman which led her to repudiate him. Does anyone know if she and Peikoff do it too?

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  109. on August 25, 2009 at 7:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’feministx.blogspot.com
    Rand was against promiscuity.

    http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/sex.html

    The man who despises himself tries to gain self-esteem from sexual adventures—which can’t be done, because sex is not the cause, but an effect and an expression of a man’s sense of his own value . . .

    The men who think that wealth comes from material resources and has no intellectual root or meaning, are the men who think—for the same reason—that sex is a physical capacity which functions independently of one’s mind, choice or code of values. They think that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for you just about in some such way as if iron ore transformed itself into railroad rails of its own volition. Love is blind, they say; sex is impervious to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man’s sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he’s taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment—just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!—an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in the confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego as his standard of value. He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience—or to fake—a sense of self-esteem . . . . Love is our response to our highest values—and can be nothing else.

    —————————————-

    Deep down, most players are revengeful betas or low life cowards. Miss Rand was onto something.
    ”””””””””””””””

    Not able to come up with own theories must regurgatate the theories already out there. What new revelation does this give us?

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  110. isn’t peikoff a gay homosexual?

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  111. R An experienced man can usually tell when a woman is having a real orgasm. The gina contractions and facial tics don’t lie.

    Um we can contract our muscles and I can make strange faces. Almost every man has had a woman fake on him.

    Lurker 1) women don’t really evaluate you as a bad lover if they don’t cum (women constantly blame themselves);

    Who told you that??? Women who do enjoy like POF for the most part will blame you in a heart beat if you don’t perform.

    lurker women come for more sex for alphas, not on the number of orgasms you bring. Or, to put it another way, while the bun is nice, women come for the meat.

    What, women will clown an alpha 10x cube who don’t perform versus a beta who doesn’t. Not much is expected of a beta so if his performance is sub par, a woman is more likely to charge it to the game.

    Ex.
    If Seth Roogen was a doozie women would shake their heads at him but let it go.

    If henry rollins(hi dana 🙂 lookalike did the same, women would call their girlfriends(or best friend),rumorville, and maybe even warn random women they see him with about his dismal performance.

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  112. POF . I squirt and the fluid that is produced when I orgasm is less than 2% of that of what I expel (unless, of course, it’s a squirting orgasm).

    *DEAD FAINT*

    You are a goddess among women. I hope to one day with the help of modern science, to make it to your level.

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  113. chic noir

    Stop Worrying About Giving Women Orgasms

    any man who subcribes to this sort of thinking should never get a woman. This is the reason why Femx is swimming in poon ladies and gentelmen. What point would any woman have for giving it up if she isn’t going to enjoy it.

    You obviously understand little about male /female sexuality chic. I would do you good to read my long effort through a few times with an open mind, not that I think you’ll do it.

    You’re clearly mentally blocked against sexually surrendering. In a big way. If you’re happy with the results from that, then enjoy. To each their own.

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  114. “isn’t peikoff a gay homosexual?”

    I did not know that (in my best Ed McMahon voice) though even if he is, it doesn’t answer my question – more than one gay hanger on has been hooked into a sort-of-willing sexual relationship with a diva as the price of association.

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  115. Doug, I cosign all that you wrote.

    Let me simplify.

    There’s a lot of conflicting info out there regarding female sexual desire.

    The way it breaks down is like this.

    When girls are horny, at that part of their cycle, just out of a relationship, where all they want to do is HAVE A GOOD FUCK, then things like dick size, dominance, psychological D/s, masculinity, come into play. You should hear some of the libertine women I know talk about guys dicks. They are very much size queens.

    But for women who are looking for a boyfriend, or even the aforementioned girls when they have gone into Provider Seeking mode, start to weight other factors more strongly. So the guy needn’t have a huge dick, or be particularly dominant. They guy still has to have SOME form of Game, but the women are more keyed in on things like compatability, intelligence, sense of humor, etc. For these women, they appreciate things like the Category 1 behaviors you list above — good “technique”, cunnilingus, more romantic, “soft”, sensual lovemaking. THOSE women will say things like “size doesn’t matter”, or “it’s ok honey, I don’t need to come, it’s the experience that counts.” And they generally are fulfilled with their partners.

    But that’s only because the importance of sex in those girls minds has taken a backseat to finding a Provider.

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  116. Incidently, I’m a Rollins lookalike except taller.

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  117. “isn’t peikoff a gay homosexual?”

    As opposed to a straight homosexual?

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  118. why would any woman “not come” during sex? are their little hands broken?

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  119. tarl south park reference

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  120. Chic Noir,

    “You are a goddess among women. I hope to one day with the help of modern science, to make it to your level.”

    I’m sensing some sarcasm here. Just a touch. Either way, I laughed.

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  121. Chic Noir,

    Oh, I missed this.

    “Who told you that??? Women who do enjoy like POF for the most part will blame you in a heart beat if you don’t perform. “

    I’m not actually concerned with whether I orgasm or not, mostly because I enjoy sex for the sake of sex. So it doesn’t become an issue of blame. Some guys are experienced, some guys aren’t. If you’re nice, you teach them, if you don’t feel like training a puppy, you don’t.

    But women and their orgasms are so varied, it can be really tough for a guy to “succeed” a good percentage of the time, even if you train one to please you, the next girl he sleeps with may be completely different.

    Makes me feel sorry for the male population, actually. So much pressure to perform.

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  122. POF I’m sensing some sarcasm here. Just a touch. Either way, I laughed.

    no that was str8 from the heart. “It” is something I hope to experience one day.

    @funkyk- dana is a married woman young man.

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  123. dana:

    isn’t peikoff a gay homosexual?

    I read somewhere that he’s married to a much younger wife. To me, he looks more like an ordinary wussy guy rather than gay. In any case, that man manages to be such a complete unintentional self-parody that he’s eclipsed even Rand herself. Check out this hilariously cheesy vanity documentary about his “heroic life”:
    http://www.amazon.com/Leonard-Peikoff-His-Own-Words/dp/B000C8D0D4

    Also, don’t miss the 5-star review it got!

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  124. Also, for an excellent insight into Rand’s personality, I recommend Murray Rothbard’s one-act play Mozart Was a Red. You can see it staged here:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5404826610265339909

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  125. vlad,

    people who set themselves up as founders of philosophies or their “intellectual heirs” are likely to be giant douchebags IRL

    i think thats pretty much a truism

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  126. My above comment got stuck in moderation because of links, so until it appears — I recommend anyone interested in a great portrayal of Ayn Rand’s philosophy and persona to check out Murray Rothbard’s short play Mozart Was a Red. Just google for the title and you’ll easily find it both in text and video.

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  127. Tupac Chopra

    Lee:Girls “finishing position” is the one that squeezes their box tighter? not with me, they take a position that stops me from going in deep.

    I see that too. I.e., legs closing, squeezing me out from the vaj, pushing away, just at the moment of orgasm. I usually have to force my way in to stay balls deep. Wuzzupwidat ladies?

    Yeah I get that a lot too.

    But if that isn’t making her box tighter, as we have to force harder against it to regain deep in, I don’t know what is.

    N’est pas?

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  128. Count Vladula:

    Also, don’t miss the 5-star review it got!

    Hehe. Sounds like PatrickH wrote that one.

    (could it be…? Patty, you out there?)

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  129. Auster and his commenters are really getting the vapours about Game. I wouldn’t mind that so much if not for the fact that they, like TJF, keep going back to their original point of ignorace.

    Alan Roebuck, who initially came across as a good-faith questioner of Game, asked: “If Game really has value to conservatism, persuade me.”

    To which I replied: “My answer, as concise as I can make it: Game is about regaining control of our women, who are presently out of control.”

    And now Roebuck writes: “But Game is just about gaining control of women in order to have sex, not to bring them into a virtuous lifestyle… ”

    As though the whole point of Marriage-Game and Dave from Hawaii’s example has not been pounded into Austerites heads. Sheesh.

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  130. dana:

    people who set themselves up as founders of philosophies or their “intellectual heirs” are likely to be giant douchebags IRL

    i think thats pretty much a truism

    Well, I’d say that’s disputable. But in this case, the unintentional hilarity of the whole situation is just unbelievable. I mean, the leader and “the foremost expert” of a philosophical movement that’s supposedly based on pure reason and rationality — who bases his authority on apostolic succession, and resolves disagreements by excommunications and moral denunciations. The whole movement looks to me like a cartoon version of Scientology.

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  131. vlad, im in 100% agreement–not to mention the fact that a “movement” of selfish egoists is ludicrous on its face. still doesn’t change the appeal of many of the ideas to me, none of which are unique to rand, but the way she integrated them into a system if very appealing to me.

    its really just the INTJ Religion for Autistic Nerds

    but hey, i resemble that

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  132. There is one situation where a womans surrendering to the orgasmic moment can get quite dangerous for the guy.
    Here it is. He is long-donged, she is on top doing the cow-girl thing, really getting into it. Possibly for reasons related to No. 1.
    Anyway, she starts going for the ultimate deep-thrust orgasm when something really wrong happens. She wants a really deep, final thrust but gets the alignment going in slightly wrong but is coming down hard anyway because the nearness of the goal-line and fractures your penis. It can bend some but then it breaks. Ouch. But it is worse, a lot worse than mere blinding pain. Most likely, you just had your last natural erection.
    The best thing in that situation is to keep both hands tight on her ass and keep control of her frenzied bucking.
    This message is brought in the interest of promoting “Safer Sex”.

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  133. As though the whole point of Marriage-Game and Dave from Hawaii’s example has not been pounded into Austerites heads. Sheesh.

    You could argue that it’s their version of the David Alexander conundrum. Game eats away at their notions, and their first step is to deny the existence of relationship based game. The next step is to denounce it as useless, and the next step is to “write off” women.

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  134. At least you agree that Game is valid, just not for you.

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  135. Game eats away at their notions, and their first step is to deny the existence of relationship based game. The next step is to denounce it as useless, and the next step is to “write off” women.

    A very perceptive comment from DA. I guess we should call him the best of all possible trolls. 😉

    For myself, my definition of game is simply as follows: Game is the systematic study of what attracts women to men and the application of that knowledge towards finding a mate. Nothing more. Auster and company have insisted on defining game as inherently involving deception and/or being directed towards promiscuity. All their errors have been the result of reasoning from those false premises.

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  136. PA:

    Auster and his commenters are really getting the vapours about Game. I wouldn’t mind that so much if not for the fact that they, like TJF, keep going back to their original point of ignorace.

    It seems to me that a few well-written comments did start to make Auster rethink his position at one point, but then he received a barrage of clueless posts that comforted him enough in his ignorance that he returned to his previous view. In particular, that last comment by Alan Roebuck you quoted made me cringe, and Auster’s comment on it even more. I’ve never seen such willful lack of logic on Auster’s website, even at his worst.

    Still, he has posted and/or linked to some extremely good comments in the course of this debate, which have probably made some of his readers rethink these issues to a good effect.

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  137. At least you agree that Game is valid, just not for you.

    For them, the entire concept of relationship game, eats away at the happiness of marriages and induces doubt to the loyalty and fidelity of their wives. In contrast, for me, game already reinforces preconceived notions about alphas.

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  138. It is the first part of game (the systematic study of what attracts women to men) that holds the most value for a larger philosophy like traditionalist conservatism, in that it helps traditionalists correctly understand such social phenomena as the birth dearth. The applied aspect of game holds less value for any larger philosophy, though of course it is often extremely valuable for improving the lives of individual men.

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  139. I’ve never seen such willful lack of logic on Auster’s website, even at his worst.

    The best was when he compared Roissy to Christ AND St. Paul.

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  140. on August 25, 2009 at 9:34 pm Virginia Gentleman

    PA:

    Yeah, I replied to Alan Roebuck’s query regarding Titanic, for all the good it did. I’m to the point of thinking that they’re fighting a target that doesn’t exist, or at least one that doesn’t include me. They throw around “reductionism” so much that I’m reminded of the apparently true story about a Red Chinese telephone operator who was at the switch when Alexei Kosygin called to discuss the 1969 Sino-Soviet confrontation with Mao. The operator replied, “You are a revisionist; therefore I will not connect you.”

    I find it somewhat interesting that none of the Auster group appear to have replied to the rather pointed remark made by Richard P.:

    Well, Aaron S. suggests that these men should consider celibacy as a second choice for their own honor and the greater good. If conservatism means telling millions of young men that they may have no opportunity for marriage and family, and that they should accept this, then our civilization is dead right now. Marriage and family are the underpinning of civilization. They are the source of future generations. You are in effect telling them that “You will have no future generations, but you should accept that and continue to be invested in society”. Let’s abandon these men to their fate because the discussion will be messy and involve some amoral people.

    My last remarks in the Jealousy post echo these concepts, I suppose. There are those of us who’re looking to provide the next generation of soldiers for the ol’ culture war, under the banner of a traditional society, but Mr. Auster (and more properly his correspondents) don’t seem to be interested. Oh well.

    Like someone said, they’re hunting libertines with heavily notched bedposts when a fair amount of guys here are interested in the creation of a family.

    Ayn Rand was a nut.

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  141. @tupac- you should leave Patrickh alone. don’t be angry with him because he took your woman. Patrick had more game 🙂

    dead @ you calling him patty 😆

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  142. on August 25, 2009 at 9:41 pm Black Military Man

    NE Asian men and women were really made for each other.

    Similarly, African men and women were made for each other.

    Very few African women can be satisfied by a non-African man.

    Very few NE Asian men can please non NE Asian women.

    OK, none of this is based on any scientific evidence but just common sense.

    Actually, NE Asian men have some sexual power techniques that make them last forever. I guess that makes up for the reportedly small size.

    I do know some Black women that are with NE Asian men. I always wondered about that sexual dynamic.

    NE Asian women of course cannot deal with African men – our size and skills.

    The only women that can really compete with us are African and Arab women.

    I think I said that before.

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  143. Socons and trads can afford to be somewhat complacent. Guys with only one lifetime sex partner (i.e. religious betas) are by far the most fertile group in America, so Auster et al. don’t have to worry about a lack of future followers. Of course, there are a lot of present and future 40 year old virgins in the pews who would very much like to have a wife and kids, but even their 0.0 average # of children isn’t much of a drag on religious fecundity, so socons don’t have much reason to seek out solutions that will help them.

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  144. on August 25, 2009 at 9:51 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””’on August 25, 2009 at 9:31 pm Thursday
    It is the first part of game (the systematic study of what attracts women to men) that holds the most value for a larger philosophy like traditionalist conservatism, in that it helps traditionalists correctly understand such social phenomena as the birth dearth. The applied aspect of game holds less value for any larger philosophy, though of course it is often extremely valuable for improving the lives of individual men.”””””””

    Astute.

    Game is real help in real time. Not some fucking myth. Not some reward that you get in the next life for putting up with bullshit in this one. It is here and now and it works.

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  145. “I have a suggestion for men who want to make their frigid bitches cum. UNLUBED SEX. Yep, don’t wait for her to mist up, just shove your dry rod in by surprise. The friction created by the intense pain of sandpaper sex will force her clit closer to her labia, thus providing exceptional stimulation. Many tears of love will flow afterwards.”

    this is terrible advice.

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  146. feministx.blogspot.com:

    “Rand was against promiscuity.

    The man who despises himself tries to gain self-esteem from sexual adventures—which can’t be done, because sex is not the cause, but an effect and an expression of a man’s sense of his own value . . .

    The men who think that wealth comes from material resources and has no intellectual root or meaning, are the men who think—for the same reason—that sex is a physical capacity which functions independently of one’s mind, choice or code of values. They think that your body creates a desire and makes a choice for you just about in some such way as if iron ore transformed itself into railroad rails of its own volition. Love is blind, they say; sex is impervious to reason and mocks the power of all philosophers. But, in fact, a man’s sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life. Show me the woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself. No matter what corruption he’s taught about the virtue of selflessness, sex is the most profoundly selfish of all acts, an act which he cannot perform for any motive but his own enjoyment—just try to think of performing it in a spirit of selfless charity!—an act which is not possible in self-abasement, only in self-exaltation, only in the confidence of being desired and being worthy of desire. It is an act that forces him to stand naked in spirit, as well as in body, and to accept his real ego as his standard of value. He will always be attracted to the woman who reflects his deepest vision of himself, the woman whose surrender permits him to experience—or to fake—a sense of self-esteem . . . . Love is our response to our highest values—and can be nothing else.

    —————————————-

    Deep down, most players are revengeful betas or low life cowards. Miss Rand was onto something.”

    Miss Rand was projecting her on rationizations upon men, nothing more. You’re engaging in an attempt to shame men into going back to their nice guy ways. Good luck with that.

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  147. At least American Women get to experience the full extent of their sexuality. Unlike American Men, their genitals aren’t mutilated at birth via Jewish Circumcision.

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  148. That ending was very funny. When are the sex tips coming? Ultimate fingering, when and how to go down optimally, when to stick the finger up the ass, how to get anal sex, penetration techniques, etc. I’ve been waiting for this for a while.

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  149. on August 25, 2009 at 10:05 pm Ferdinand Bardamu

    By the way, Roissy, Arlington-based novelist and blogger Todd White is challenging you to a debate:

    http://mustardseednovel.blogspot.com/2009/08/roissy-i-challenge-you-to-public-debate.html

    This should be fun.

    Thursday:

    “The best was when he compared Roissy to Christ AND St. Paul.”

    On that related note, one VFR commenter had this to say about my comparison of the “game movement” to early Christianity:

    “Alan Roebuck quotes some seducer as saying:

    ‘I imagine as game becomes more popular, we will see a ‘First Council of Nicaea’ event to sort these issues out.’

    “A “First Council of Nicaea event”?!? Incredible. That’s just too low for words.”

    http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/014042.html

    The Auster comedy train wreck just keeps going and going.

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  150. “alpha males don’t hurry love”

    Take a whole day off with a woman, have her call in sick at work and spend it in bed with her. Do not leave the bed. Spend the whole time in hedonistic abandon.

    She will remember it as incredibly romantic, especially if the men in her life are five minute wonders. Why more men don’t do this I don’t know.

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  151. anon this is terrible advice.

    I think it was written for shock value. Sometimes you must let things roll off your back in these parts.

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  152. What happened to my comment? Anyway, I’ll give it another attempt.

    Very funny ending, it had me laugh out loud. Now, and this has been on my mind for a while, when are you going to give us some good sex tips? Anal, fingering, licking and thrusting tips. I haven’t had sex with that many girls so I could use any advice, and I would rather take advice from you than from the corrupted non-roissy internet.

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  153. I think it was written for shock value. Sometimes you must let things roll off your back in these parts.

    This is Roissy. He means it. So it was typed, so it shall be done.

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  154. Thursday–

    For myself, my definition of game is simply as follows: Game is the systematic study of what attracts women to men and the application of that knowledge towards finding a mate. Nothing more.

    Not quite. Not necessarily a mate. Rather make that “towards in fact attracting women, sleeping with them, and making them want a relationship”. Whether the guy does too is a choice. You’re right he can simply want a single lifetime mate, the most attractive one he’s then with game capable of attracting.

    Auster and company have insisted on defining game as inherently involving deception and/or being directed towards promiscuity. All their errors have been the result of reasoning from those false premises.

    I think they’re coming even if not explicitly from the feeling that if you teach men how to be successful cads, even though they don’t have to use it for that purpose, they will.

    I can’t say I entirely disagree. Two things though. First, most guys will want to go through some phase of sleeping around after they newly develop and ability to do so, but most will want to settle down before too long if they can with a hot and compatible girl, because that’s in their nature.

    Second most guys won’t learn game well enough to become great at easily attracting a lot of hot girls for casual sex. That requires the most and hardest game skills. Casual sex pickup is all about appearing thrillingly edgy, playful and dominant these days, and little about other qualities like high intelligence, even a good fairly high status and good or big money job, or loyalty and reliability. Relationship game is actually a lot easier than pickup game, at least for guys that have those other good LTR qualities. They don’t have to be grand master gamers, just solid ones to do good LTR game.

    Anyway I think taking head on their core conviction that if you teach a lot more guys how to be alpha cads, a lot more will be, is the effective way to engage with them.

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  155. Lurker As for me, I’m a poon hound for South Asian girls—German features with very dark skin and straight hair. Drives me wild.

    *rings bell*

    ding ding ding

    So this explains it. This is the reason you never joined the gang up of femx.

    You’re in love with her.

    How sweet.

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  156. Rum

    Rum

    There is one situation where a womans surrendering to the orgasmic moment can get quite dangerous for the guy.
    Here it is. He is long-donged … She wants a really deep, final thrust but gets the alignment going in slightly wrong but is coming down hard anyway because the nearness of the goal-line and fractures your penis. It can bend some but then it breaks. Ouch. But it is worse, a lot worse than mere blinding pain. Most likely, you just had your last natural erection.

    Jesu Christo doc. You mean that’s not just an urban myth?

    I heard that was in some episode of Grey’s Anatomy (which didn’t see, don’t watch that).

    Way to scare me to death.

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  157. yeah, i mostly just come here for the lols

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  158. Doug

    I have seen several cases in the ER. The woman always stands close to the guy like she is really into him and feels truly sorry for breaking his dick. Kind of heart warming.

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  159. Feministx

    Are you a vegetarian, following Hindu Brahmin religious requirements?

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  160. Yeah, that string of posts at VFR is fucking painful.

    The fact is that the techniques of game are just a very elementary, neatly packaged description of how a man should relate to a woman if he wants her to respect him as a man. Whether he intends to P&D, marry, or merely have a fun conversation with her for a few minutes. No matter how smart, nice, handsome or rich you are, if you don’t project a masculine, at least somewhat edgy vibe, even the nicest, most thoroughly indoctrinated Christian woman is going to find it IMPOSSIBLE to respect you as a man. If women don’t respect you as a man, they won’t take anything you have to say seriously. If it’s apparent to men that women don’t respect you as a man, they may respect your arguments, but they will be embarrassed to align themselves with you publicly, and they will look to throw you under the bus at every opportunity (“That goes too far…”)

    The political implications of this should be obvious. No political movement led by herbs will ever go anywhere. If your movement can easily be publicly characterized as a movement of nice boys, as opposed to real men, you have a serious problem. The internet is a promising tool for routing around the liberal domination of the opinion-shaping institutions of our culture, but it’s hard not to notice that a lot of the people who find the anti-left message compelling are guys who don’t get a lot of dates. Teaching them how to be men, not according to a bunch of useless platitudes, but in a way that actually works, is an important part of forging a movement AND raising a new generation of americans.

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  161. Interesting… I want to bring a little anthropological perspective.

    I’ve found the practice of Female Circumcision (a.k.a. Female Genital Mutilation as it’s called by the women’s rights crowd) interesting to consider. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting)

    If certain behaviors are based on evolutionary psychology, then why are there societies in Africa and the Middle East that seek to reduce the ability of women to enjoy sexual pleasure?

    I think part of Female Circumcision is cosmetic, particularly when it involves trimming versus removing all external genitalia. But when everything is removed, perhaps it’s more about controlling a woman’s sexuality?

    Perhaps men are biologically wired to care mainly about preventing cuckoldery, and that can manifest in terms of sperm competition (trying to get a woman to orgasm which propels his fluid up the canal) or through external behaviors like trying to cool down the sexual heat of women by removing their “sexy parts.”

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  162. Doug:

    Mate can mean short or long term.

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  163. Doug1 to
    Feministx

    Are you a vegetarian, following Hindu Brahmin religious requirements

    *chews popcorn*

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  164. Fem
    It is always the womenfolk who do this and insist on doing it to their daughters.
    They are pre-emptively crippling the competition for getting mens resources.

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  165. come on people wake up

    let’s get the party going

    *Nods to DJ*
    *DJ puts on house music*

    Spies doug doing the tootsie roll with Aoefe on the dance floor.

    comment_whatever is in the corner flirting with S.

    *turns to default*

    default, lets dance babe.

    *chic and default two step*

    Maurice & PA stand in the corner doing there best alpha stance while being semi-social.

    femx walks into the room to take an assessment of who will be her next piece.

    Poetry is having drinks and dancing on the bar.

    A.J. Travis just walked in. S looks confused.

    Dana in the corner with a group of men talking about the many reasons she hates judge judy and those other hard itches.

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  166. Tupac

    But that’s only because the importance of sex in those girls minds has taken a backseat to finding a Provider.

    Yeah. But.

    The dichotomy isn’t just between 1) girls who have their own money (through work today or classically in a small but influential slice of upper class society through family and inheritance) and don’t need a provider or don’t need one acutely (it’s always nice to double up), or don’t need one at this twenty something stage of their life, and 2) those that do or want one. It is that but not just that.

    It’s also between sluts and good girls. Sluts at the extreme love sex thrills totally divorced form love formation or male commitment. Good girls at the extreme can’t enjoy sex at all and actually even when they try (I’ll confess i have to think with less than a real alpha stud) can’t feel sexual thrills, but in any event feel empty, soiled and unfilled afterwords when they do.

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  167. Haha, Chic, I like your scenario. There are so many delicious men who post here though…

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  168. on August 25, 2009 at 11:02 pm Virginia Gentleman

    The poster named Mark P. seems to have landed a useful statement that Mr. Auster published. I wonder what response, if any, will result.

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  169. chic noir

    come on people wake up

    let’s get the party going

    *Nods to DJ*
    *DJ puts on house music*

    Spies doug doing the tootsie roll with Aoefe on the dance floor.

    comment_whatever is in the corner flirting with S.

    All right Chic, you’ve broken me down.

    When you get like this you ARE pretty adorable.

    (Even though I’ve been rather pissed at you since you know when over having and maintaining diametrically opposite views from mine over a rather emotional topic for me because I feel potentially trapped with serious consequences. Ambush babies and feminist 90s mandated huge, 1/3 after tax child support=alimony extractions regardless of any intent or any justice.) But we’ve already hashed that over.

    Back to now. Amusing.

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  170. The C-V Ratio thing is pretty much bullshit; almost certainly proven somewhere. It’s an old story, originating in some French broad who couldn’t come from dick.

    It’s all in their heads, and in early sexual training. Chicks who hold their breaths when you bang them learned how to have an orgasm from jerking off on their clitoris, and they often don’t come right. If you google around on Stuart Brody, he’s the man who has done the most serious research on the subject. One of the more amusing things that’s come out of his research: you can tell by how they walk, no shit. I have used this; it rules. Though simply fucking women who are not Americans of the middle-upper-middle classes will avoid most of the ice cubes of the world.

    “A Woman’s History of Vaginal Orgasm is Discernible from
    Her Walk ”
    Aurelie Nicholas, MA,* Stuart Brody, PhD,† Pascal de Sutter, PhD,* and François de Carufel, PhD‡

    http://www.geocities.com/stuartbrody/page3.htm

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  171. let’s get the party going

    David Alexander is sitting at home wondering where all of Roissy’s commenters have disappeared to…

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  172. Roissy says stop worrying about giving her an orgasm. Stop? I never started.

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  173. lol chic, just one change

    Dana, doing lines in the corner with a group of guys talking about taking over the world

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  174. Curious about what Doug1 is up to… for what it’s worth, the most promiscuous Indian diaspora girls I’ve met tend to be of Brahmin descent. My theory? Their overly high perception of themselves lets them get away with being nasty, drinking alcohol, eating meat, sleeping around, etc. They think they’ll be able to get a man as long as they go to an ivy league school/medical school/have a rich and/or influential dad and even better, if they win Miss India USA (ahem ahem lolll).

    By the way, some Miss India USA/California/New York/etc. are the same Indian girls you see as your local TV reporter, in case you wonder if the pageant is semi-legit in terms of selecting for pretty Indian girls. Here’s one winner (I think Brahmin, I heard she dumped her college fiancee after she moved out to NY – they both went to Stanford undergrad): http://www.melaniekannokada.com/

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  175. Why do I feel bad about posting about Miss India USA… mm…. I hope that wasn’t traitorous 😦 By the way the girl I posted is 100% Indian, she looks biracial but is not. Those are them Aryan genes for ya

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  176. lovelysexybeauty

    I think part of Female Circumcision is cosmetic, particularly when it involves trimming versus removing all external genitalia. But when everything is removed, perhaps it’s more about controlling a woman’s sexuality?

    Perhaps men are biologically wired to care mainly about preventing cuckoldery, and that can manifest in terms of sperm competition (trying to get a woman to orgasm which propels his fluid up the canal) or through external behaviors like trying to cool down the sexual heat of women by removing their “sexy parts.”

    There are variations on and apologists for everything that’s socially big.

    I like you have looked at female circumcision objectively, or as objectively as I can, which I will immodestly say is pretty damn world class objectively. (Since I’ve critiqued the root of every worldview I’ve ever seriously considered.)

    I think at root it’s the desire to remove or greatly attenuate the sexual trill component, a very large component, of biological female sexuality, so that’s what’s left is only what’s socialized. Or as nearly that as that procedure, with considerable effect, can umm affect.

    Why? So that assigned marriages to relatively rich and socially alpha men are not threatened by much younger and physically alpha lower status males.

    I think that’s pretty clear really.

    What’s the social effect, leaving aside for the moment the diminution of female sexual joy? Supports the established order and that the rich get the prime spoils. Supresses the advances of lower origin but aggressive and maybe at least kind smart and capable male genes. Leads to stasis. Supresses turnover.

    Verdict: Not good.

    That’s before getting to female loss of sexual pleasure which is of course a huge biggie also.

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  177. @chic – “there should be classes for men to learn that skill”

    I went to a sex show which is a trade fair like a car show and they actually had that class for men. I was wearing my four inch high boots to look sexy but my feetsies wuz killing me so I joined the class so I could sit down. I was alone. You should have seen the looks I got – “why is SHE here?”. The teacher a female was a very good teacher and sexy enough that if she’d asked for a volunteer I would have (jk). I think some of the women had some practicin goin on later on from their dudes.

    @chic who was referring to penetrative sex “most women don’t “enjoy” themselves that way. YOu must do the extras buddy..”

    Hmmm I think you are relatively inexperienced from what you’ve said on this blog and quite young. There ARE men out there who can create the reaction you crave from that alone.

    @joel asked wisely – “About the female orgasm. Shouldn’t we really hear from the ladies?”

    I like em.

    @firepower – “I cunningly lend them at…”

    Very very clever and hot.

    @dana – why would any woman “not come” during sex? are their little hands broken?

    Ya – no duh.

    Chic described the paaahty- “Spies doug doing the tootsie roll with Aoefe on the dance floor.”

    Listen after Doug’s description of women and sex in his lovely, looooooong post above we’ll be doing more than the tootsie roll honey.

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  178. Indian-White mixes often look Southern European or Turkish. Anya Lahiri is one mixed girl that I know of:

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  179. @Anonymous bravely announced “Roissy says stop worrying about giving her an orgasm. Stop? I never started.”

    Epoxy be brave and don’t hide behind anonymous – just let lilgrl know how you really feel. 😉

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  180. Other White-Indian mixes…

    Sometimes it’s hard to tell, LovelySexyBeauty!

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  181. Arlington-based novelist and blogger Todd White is challenging you to a debate:

    http://mustardseednovel.blogspot.com/2009/08/roissy-i-challenge-you-to-public-debate.html

    This should be fun.

    That guy is in Arlington? Holy crap. Talk about a fish out of water. Does he know anything about 20 something women living in Arlington at all? His notes don’t seem to reflect any knowledge in that regard.

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  182. I find it somewhat interesting that none of the Auster group appear to have replied to the rather pointed remark made by Richard P.:

    Well, Aaron S. suggests that these men should consider celibacy as a second choice for their own honor and the greater good. If conservatism means telling millions of young men that they may have no opportunity for marriage and family, and that they should accept this, then our civilization is dead right now. Marriage and family are the underpinning of civilization. They are the source of future generations. You are in effect telling them that “You will have no future generations, but you should accept that and continue to be invested in society”. Let’s abandon these men to their fate because the discussion will be messy and involve some amoral people.

    Exactly, VG. It’s just such an obviously fucked up position to take. Auster the other day supported this guy named Ian B who basically said that non-religious betas should just die off. There’s Christian conservatives for you.

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  183. I was wearing my four inch high boots to look sexy

    Mmmm, saucy. 🙂

    [editor: D+ on the flirtation scale. at least you kept it short.]

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  184. aoefe
    @Anonymous bravely announced “Roissy says stop worrying about giving her an orgasm. Stop? I never started.”

    Epoxy be brave and don’t hide behind anonymous – just let lilgrl know how you really feel.

    .. erm, I am not he that you refer to but if I were, I would still not worry.

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  185. @anonymous – erm, I am not he that you refer to but if I were, I would still not worry.

    Ya I knew that but I was going for a funneh. You just set it up for me is all. 🙂

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  186. ew, does he not grasp the concept of anonymity? Who wants to engage in a public debate?

    also I hope some of you watched the Misty May/Kerri Walsh v. Shaq (& T.Rogers (go Santa Barbara!)) throw down, if for nothing else each sexes’ version of “mind fuckery” and “trash talk”. Talk about different communication styles.

    The ladies talked about focus and challenges, and keep hugging Shaq, while Shaq taunted them about facials, and instead keeps getting tooled. Plus he brought out C.Jennings who got stuffed by his wife. Of course the ladies won.

    And the male commentators!

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  187. editor: D+ on the flirtation scale. at least you kept it short.

    I’m an omega and she meets my fetish. What else was I going to say other than that? “Great, you meet one fetish, hopefully it covers up your other flaws?” It’s not like I’m trying to bang her…

    [editor: right, that would require compressing her into 2D.]

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  188. Doug
    Re:FGM

    The problems that I have with your explanation are 1. The alpha induced gina tingle is not based in the clitoris but deep in the brain, in my estimation. I also do not think socialization will change it much except in regard to the social-proofs of alphaness. 2. When have any men, in their own voice, extolled the pleasures of non responsive women? Middle Eastern Lit is full of steamy, sensual stories of the joys of being with a well tuned female partner. 3. It is the women who do it to the daughters and seem most eager to continue the practice. 4. Women with kids absolutely need a safe enclosure in those lawless places. Sexually avid younger women out amongst the men they depend on represent a threat to their providers attachment. 5. So, who benefits? The lumpy stay at home (no choice but to stay at home) wives with 5 kids. 6. Who loses? Everyone else.
    But who controls what happens to kids?

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  189. @DA – “It’s not like I’m trying to bang her…”

    Ya that’s what you tell ALL the girls.

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  190. Sofia – Yes, it’s hard to tell for sure, my status is usually doubted as well by Indians and non-Indians too. (Trying not to sound like another north Indian person “bragging” about being asked if I’m Italian/Armenian/Arab/Persian/Greek blablah)

    Not sure if you were trying to say Melanie is mixed, both of Melanie’s parents look 100% Indian and FOBby enough…mmm…. . That’s all I’ll say about that ahemmmm! 😉 I’ve said too much already lol

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  191. Doug1 – so basically you think FC/FGM is mainly about letting the men at the top of the hierarchy get their pick of girls?

    And I think your part about socialization as a way to curb biological impulses is interesting too. The idea of socialization is probably bigger than just FC/FGM though, and probably influences things like monogomous marriage and other practices.

    Rum – I think that’s a good point about women doing FC/FGM to other women primarily. Very interesting to think about how control of women’s sexuality is perhaps looked at providing more security to older women as well. Hm…

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  192. DA isn’t a troll, he’s a con job. I mean, railfanning? Really? Though I must say, it’s a stroke of genius on the part of his creator.

    Auster is an idiot who practiced astrology professionally and still thinks there’s something “to it.” That’s really all you need to know about him.

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  193. lovelysexybeauty,

    Does it hurt when indians from india (born after the late 60s) look down at you?

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  194. I have noticed an interesting trend..

    The majority of upper-middle class men born (in india) after say 1970 are quite OK with who they are. Curiously, men born just a decade earlier have some significant inferiority complexes..

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  195. editor: right, that would require compressing her into 2D

    Fake tan, ass implants, fake tits, lots of make up, slutty clothes, and my precious acrylic nails.

    Ya that’s what you tell ALL the girls.

    I conceal my intentions to the girls I do like. It’s up to you figure out whether I think you’re worth it. 🙂

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  196. Rum is right about female genital mutilation. It is *not* men who are behind this. Women conspire to drive up the cost of sex by suppressing female sexuality. Same reason women are against prostitution and pornography, just more extreme.

    Here is the reference:

    Baumeister, R.F., & Twenge, J.M. (2002). Cultural suppression of female sexuality. Review of General Psychology, 6, 166-203.

    http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/pdfmail.php

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  197. Chic Noir,

    “no that was str8 from the heart. “It” is something I hope to experience one day.”

    Not to be pimping out one of my guys too much, but if you’re ever in LA, I’ve got someone who can send you straight to it. He’s fantastic, has made my body do things that I wasn’t even aware it could do.

    Most girls can squirt, it’s just a matter of finding the right way to do it.

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  198. Doug has a very important point. There is all this talk about brain being the most important sexual organ. Mostly people repeat this without understanding what it really means. I would say that mind is the most important sexual organ, for women.

    To me, vaginal orgasm is measure of how much dominance I have in relationship to the woman in sexual context. I cannot be fully dominant if we are fighting for dominance. She has to feel safe to submit before she can orgasm.

    Foreplay is also important, but people also talk so much bullshit about foreplay. Foreplay has little to do with rubbing her clit a little bit before going in. Foreplay has the word play in it. It is playing foremost, just like flirting. Look at how dogs chase eachother when they are playing. At one moment one is dominant, on the other moment other is dominant. Playing this dominance game is probably the best way to dominate her.

    I have written a guide on my blog on how men can learn to give women an orgasm. It is for men only.

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  199. lovelysexybeauty–

    Are you vegetarian, only, regardless of mate?

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  200. Lucy
    I work with a lot of Indian guys. Most of them are partners in the firm if you can understand what that means. The first car they buy after making Partner is typically a 12 cyllinder mercedes with a least 500 horsepower.
    And the rest of us say, “Welcome to the club, dude. Hey, Nice Car you have. Wanna try out my Lotus Exige or my Porsche RS? It obvious you like cars,,,right.
    And that is my sister over there wearing the SaranWrap. Have yourself a drink…”
    In the strata of the Modern World that I live in the only reason an Indian Guy should ever be feeling disrespected is if he has a secret flaw; a tragic short-coming, (so to speak) – a tiny dick – in plain language..
    For advice on surviving that ask the French.

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  201. The most horrible moment for me as a beta was discovering that sexual ability had nothing to do with the partners one found. One could be an expert in making the plainest, most ordinary women come over and over again, and it was STILL one’s position in the hierarchy–which measured wealth, appearance, height, dominance, ANYTHING BUT SEXUAL ABILITY–which determined one’s partners. I decided to diversify my game towards the aggressive end of the spectrum with a little, nay a LOT more attention paid to Paul Janka.

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  202. on August 26, 2009 at 2:19 am bearer of good news

    all news is not bad …..

    Ted Kennedy is dead, and I hope he is screaming in agony in his new home against the flames, worms, maggots, sulfur, and demons for being the biggest traitor in the history of the world.

    So we can smile, we won one today

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  203. Bearer
    Shut your mouth.
    Ted was a true warrior in the field of Poon. Show some Respect. He got a hundred desperately eager blow jobs before you were even born.

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  204. I love recieving breaking news from a commenter on Roissys blog. I think I’m reading and writing about Game to much.
    Not watching TV has something to do with it as well.
    When did the story break?

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  205. Who will be the 1st to crack a joke about Mary Jo?

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  206. Tood err Fifth Horseman…I’d love to see you repeat your take on this “debate” challenge made by White over here. I think it was spot on.

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  207. on August 26, 2009 at 2:50 am The Fifth Horseman

    ganttsquarry,

    Well, I have taken that, and gone in much further detail, in the link above.

    But I actually got Todd White to come around on a couple of points – he at least now accepts the Devlin essays as correct.

    I have also given him some other reading material to digest.

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  208. Yeah I just noticed that. Duh. I knew you were the one that said it but I didn’t remember where.

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  209. “I think part of Female Circumcision is cosmetic, particularly when it involves trimming versus removing all external genitalia. But when everything is removed, perhaps it’s more about controlling a woman’s sexuality?”

    Which raises the question “Why?”.
    I think it’s about controlling young men. Like Doug1 mentions, the rationale behind suppressing physical response is to make young women easier to handle so that they’re not going to want to stray with unattached young men. If a young guy can’t game the system by getting unattached young women hot and bothered, the more likely he has to play by the rules to get access to women.

    Another question is ‘does it work?’ and there the answer is ‘hard to tell’. It could be that it hangs on out of sheer cultural inertia (much like foot-binding in China which lasted for hundreds of years after most people stopped caring about it).

    And yes, every study ever done shows that FGM (like every other custom that makes life difficult for young women) is entirely under the control of women and if the women involved decided to stop it they would not meet any opposition from men.

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  210. Ted Kennedy is dead, and I hope he is screaming in agony in his new home against the flames, worms, maggots, sulfur, and demons for being the biggest traitor in the history of the world.

    Agree!

    Shut your mouth.
    Ted was a true warrior in the field of Poon. Show some Respect. He got a hundred desperately eager blow jobs before you were even born.

    Yeah, he played “rich man’s son, famous politician’s brother” game – a low form of game if there ever was one. Boy, I bet it was tough to convince girls to open wide for JFK’s brother when Teddy was in college.

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  211. @ Jack Lover

    “Look at how dogs chase eachother when they are playing. At one moment one is dominant, on the other moment other is dominant. Playing this dominance game is probably the best way to dominate her.”

    Yeah, if you’re sleeping with a bitch.

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  212. If a young guy can’t game the system by getting unattached young women hot and bothered, the more likely he has to play by the rules to get access to women.

    And yes, every study ever done shows that FGM (like every other custom that makes life difficult for young women) is entirely under the control of women and if the women involved decided to stop it they would not meet any opposition from men.

    Yes, Cliff, it’s classic pussy cartel stuff, yet it gets blamed on patriarchy by feminist fools.

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  213. Not sure if this was mentioned in the comments already, I can’t be bothered to read all of them:

    Males must orgasm to pump out a sufficient quantity of goop to impregnate the female, but females don’t have to orgasm in order to be impregnated. Do the math in terms of natural selection, and it all falls into place. I don’t know if this is THE answer, but surely it must be a contributing factor?

    As for the unlubed sex thing, if this is true — that surprise entry with the female not in an appropriate physiological state — surely must result in an elevated number of women reaching orgasm during the course of forcible rape.

    Somehow I doubt there has ever been any reliable research in this area.

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  214. Fucking goddamned fuck, I wish one could edit one’s posts here. Get a fucking proper forum going already wouldja Roissy.

    I meant to say:

    “As for the unlubed sex thing, if this is true — that surprise entry with the female not in an appropriate physiological state increases the chance of her having an orgasm — then surely this must result in an elevated number of women reaching orgasm during the course of forcible rape.”

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  215. on August 26, 2009 at 8:53 am Seeking Alpha

    @ Tupac

    I know you wrote this hours ago, but we probably won’t have any good comments til the new post anyway. What I just wrote below is a bit long, but should provide meaty content for discussion.

    I think what Lucifer means is that sophistry is involved in Rand’s contention that her morality leads to happiness/economic maximization for everyone…

    I don’t really know if Rand said that – like I said I care less about the person and more about the basic ideas of objectivism – but it’s unlikely she did and it’s certainly wrong.

    More likely, she said her morality leads to happiness/economic maximization for the most people (i.e. not everyone), and compared to any other moral system, not in absolute.

    However, combining happiness and economic maximization seems a mistake. While there is probably a correlation between the two, I don’t think Objectivist freedom maximizes happiness for all.

    Happiness derives from the successful execution of purpose. A system that does not offer purpose – or at best holds socio-economic success as a vague purpose – will leave many who are unsuccessful in fulfilling their purpose, if they ever even choose one. In other words, most people can’t cut it, and this will leave them unhappy.

    While I support Objectivist freedom – because I am wise enough to pick a ‘good’ purpose and smart and strong enough to execute it successfully – it’s because it works for me, and that’s not true of most others.

    A system of maximum of happiness would be designed to strongly instill purpose, and make that purpose easily attainable. Like, perhaps, the morality of Shōwa Japan or the Christianity. Duty and [maybe] kindness respectively.

    I’m reading Heinlein right now for the first time, Starship Troopers, so most of what I wrote is distilled from his ideas.

    … that it is not zero-sum.

    Human behavior and economic activity isn’t zero sum. If it was, the sum of human wealth would have stayed the same and the only change would be the concentration or diffusion of that wealth. Instead, everyone has grown richer these past several thousand years.

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  216. Happiness derives from the successful execution of purpose. A system that does not offer purpose – or at best holds socio-economic success as a vague purpose – will leave many who are unsuccessful in fulfilling their purpose, if they ever even choose one. In other words, most people can’t cut it, and this will leave them unhappy.

    best comment of the month

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  217. Todd WHite is launching an entirely new cathegory of troll:
    the white-knight paleocon

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  218. Katto:
    http://s1.zetaboards.com/Roissy_In_DC/index/
    Roissy has been pre-registered to stop his nickname being used.
    Any changes anyone would like to see, let me know.

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  219. on August 26, 2009 at 10:23 am Dr. Grzlickson

    Please STFU about Ayn Rand.

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  220. lovelysexybeauty–

    Why do I feel bad about posting about Miss India USA… mm…. I hope that wasn’t traitorous 😦 By the way the girl I posted is 100% Indian, she looks biracial but is not. Those are them Aryan genes for ya

    She’s definitely hot looking. I would have guessed her to be Persian, Turkish or Italian. Not an Arab nose, not that all Arabs have a Semitic looking nose.

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  221. novaseeker writes:

    “Auster the other day supported this guy named Ian B who basically said that non-religious betas should just die off. ”

    Wrong. What Ian B. said was that traditionalists have limited time and resources and that prospects for those males who rejected, on principle, the spiritual source of Western Civilization (the single force required before all others to make the West possible) and insisted upon, obviously false, philosophical materialism AND allowed themselves to become feminized, beta, non-men were not good. And that our limited time and resources would be better spent on more hopeful targets. Then, through their own choices and in THE NORMAL COURSE, these non-men would eventually be outbred.

    This is quite different from novaseeker’s characterization.

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  222. on August 26, 2009 at 10:33 am Seeking Alpha

    @ The Good Doctor

    There’s more than one website on the Internet. If you’re too immature or weak-willed to ignore comments you don’t like, I suggest you find another site until Roissys next post. Or change the topic.

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  223. Horseman: A few points of clarification. First, I’m not a SoCon. I’m (mostly) a libertarian. Second, you didn’t persuade me regarding the merits of Devlin. I vouched for Devlin in my original essay, “Sex, Love, and Marriage in Modern Society” (Aug. 20)

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  224. Wrong. What Ian B. said was that traditionalists have limited time and resources and that prospects for those males who rejected, on principle, the spiritual source of Western Civilization (the single force required before all others to make the West possible) and insisted upon, obviously false, philosophical materialism AND allowed themselves to become feminized, beta, non-men were not good. And that our limited time and resources would be better spent on more hopeful targets. Then, through their own choices and in THE NORMAL COURSE, these non-men would eventually be outbred.

    This is quite different from novaseeker’s characterization.

    Actually, Andrew, here’s what Ian B. said:

    “What about the secular “beta” males? Well, there’s really no hope for them. But really, it’s no big loss. There’s really nobody more pathetic and shameful than a person who both rejects Christianity and gets immersed in and emasculated by feminist dogma. Like the contraceptive-using cads, Roissyites, and slutty women, they will die childless and alone, and be outbred by the Christians even more than they already are.”

    He says right there that secular betas have no hope, are pathetic and shameful, and his gleeful tone in expressing his hope that they die childless is clearly a hope for their genetic oblivion. That is essentially the same as saying “I hope they just die off”. None of the nuance you suggest in your self-serving re-characterization of what he actually wrote — stuff you are making up to rehabilitate his hate-laced text.

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  225. Cliff Arroyo

    And yes, every study ever done shows that FGM (like every other custom that makes life difficult for young women) is entirely under the control of women and if the women involved decided to stop it they would not meet any opposition from men.

    Didn’t know that.

    Though it does make sense.

    In a way it’s just and extreme form, or anyway method of insuring more perfect implementation, of mother’s frequent advice to daughters. Which is to marry the rich or becoming rich and well connected, probably older, man, rather than any temporarily thrilling young impecunious rake or bad boy.

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  226. Ian B. is right

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  227. He says right there that secular betas have no hope, are pathetic and shameful, and his gleeful tone in expressing his hope that they die childless is clearly a hope for their genetic oblivion.

    They don’t have any hope. You’ve said so yourself. The laws aren’t going to be changed and the behavior of secular women isn’t going to change either.

    Furthermore, in many ways, secular betas on the whole are deeply complicit in their own demise. That is shameful and pathetic.

    I can agree that in the last sentence his glee at their suffering is quite unseemly.

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  228. Lucifer – huh? Why would anyone looking down on me hurt… I think tall guys whenever they were born look good 😉 hehe

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  229. Doug1 – prefer not to explain too much, but to me a guy’s vegetarian status is pretty much insignifcant. That’s all.

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  230. Arpagus is so good with the research links always – thanks for posting that!

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  231. on August 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm Black Military Man

    Doug1, you are seeing the world, and vegetarianism, through your American culture lens. It simply does not have the same connotations in other cultures, especially Eastern ones.

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  232. Just from my own experience, I’d say the more a girl practices the easier it is. But for the record, and just trying to help:

    1: clit stimulation during penetration is crucial. Either ask the girl to do it to herself with her fingers, or do it indirectly by putting your hand (or suggesting she put her hand) on her lower belly or her mound and pulling up towards her chest, which uncovers the clit and makes it more available to sensation from the thrusting. This is a good way to do it for guys who get upset that dick alone does not get a woman to orgasm. It is also a good way to uncover the clit and eat her while she squeezes her legs together, which is a good way to get her to orgasm faster from oral. The “unsheathing” trick is one of the most underused and easiest things you can do, the possibilities are endless.

    2: Use lube! Contrary to what Roissy says it makes the difference b/t coming or not.

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  233. Here is how practice makes it easier, You know how after you’ve had enough sex with enough girls it gets to the point where you feel like you’re just masturbating with a warm living orifice? And your comfort level is at such a point that you concentrate more on yourself and you do whatever and somehow your partners actually like it better than when you were trying? It’s the same for girls. The more easily a girl orgasms, the more experience and the more partners she has had.

    Did I just tell you exactly what you didn’t want to hear?

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  234. And your comfort level is at such a point that you concentrate more on yourself and you do whatever and somehow your partners actually like it better than when you were trying? It’s the same for girls. The more easily a girl orgasms, the more experience and the more partners she has had.

    lisa, trying to generalize from a sample size of 1 is a bad idea.

    here’s the problem:
    women’s orgasms are largely (not completely) a function of, in descending order, unconscious mental factors, anatomy, the man’s prowess, and then, maybe, a distant 4th, “experience”.

    having had a sample size considerably larger than 1, i can tell you definitively that you’re wrong here.

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  235. Eurosabra
    The most horrible moment for me as a beta was discovering that sexual ability had nothing to do with the partners one found

    This is easily solved if you a have a girlfriend or espFB who is prone to gossip about your skills. I think I’ve mentioned the story here about how a guy from my high school became the biggest player because of girls gossiping about his experience. He was also subject to a loooooot of male jealousy. I can’t recall him having any friends.

    *dead faints from POF’s comment about her friend in LA*

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  236. Doug a rather emotional topic for me because I feel potentially trapped with serious consequences

    Oh God, I‘m sorry to hear that.

    I’ve always wondered why you become so emotional when the issue of child support or alimony comes up. Well now I know, I hope everything works out well for you.

    What ever you do, don’t sign a birth certificate until you have the DNA test results.

    Is the woman not reasonable? some women won’t drag a man thru the courts for an inordinate sum. Maybe the two of you can reach some type of agreement.

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  237. Johnny Five–

    Well said.

    Experienced alphas, particularly if they’re both at least somewhat reflective and have taken good advantage of their alpha pull to have done some significant numbers, simply know a great deal more about female sexuality form experience than any single woman does.

    There’s also science. But it’s pretty rudimentary here in many ways, and subject to lots of problems, including lots of less than full truthfulness in the case of survey based social science in these areas especially.

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  238. chic noir–

    I never have been.

    But I’ve long worried about it.

    Any man with half a brain has to, particularly if he’s a high earner and is no longer dating early twenty something hard charging professionals.

    I would have thought a little reflection would have made that obvious. Though I’m glad you now better understand.

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  239. @dana- No no no. You’re not doing hard stuff. How about a lil grass.

    Lovelysexybeauty I think part of Female Circumcision is cosmetic, particularly when it involves trimming versus removing all external genitalia

    It varies from culture to culture. Somalia has the most brustal form of female circumcision. Everything off and the “hole” stiched shut.

    @ aoefe stillletoes will kill your feet lol. I sure wish I was at that chief with DA.

    aoefe Listen after Doug’s description of women and sex in his lovely, looooooong post above we’ll be doing more than the tootsie roll honey.

    *big smile*
    I promise I won’t tell bhetti

    aoefe There ARE men out there who can create the reaction you crave from that alone.
    Yea, like Lovelysexybeauty’s friend in LA. I’m keeping him in mind for a future visit(jk).

    seriously …But “they” are so few. How many frogs does a girl have to go thru before she finds her prince. I wish there was some type of sign posted to the heads of men that only women could see. It would give us the basic rundown about them.

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  240. doug Any man with half a brain has to, particularly if he’s a high earner and is no longer dating early twenty something hard charging professionals.

    Yes, athletes and entertainers are particularly in danger of having this happen. Have you noticed I always write about taking your raincoat with you? There is a story behind that.

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  241. on August 26, 2009 at 4:45 pm Epoxytocin No. 87

    @ Poetry

    But women and their orgasms are so varied, it can be really tough for a guy to “succeed” a good percentage of the time, even if you train one to please you, the next girl he sleeps with may be completely different.

    You should excise “completely”.

    Yeah, girls are different, but not so different that you’re starting from square one.

    It’s more like learning to write with a different style or tone, or learning to make electronic music with a different synth. Your skill will be reset to a certain degree, and you’ll have to embark on some sort of learning curve, but the underlying fundamental skills – the ones that come from all the generalized experience – are the same.

    Only a guy who is so autistically detail-oriented that he doesn’t see the big picture (“she likes when i thrust at this angle” rather than “she likes to be my bitch”) would find the next girl to be so completely different.

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  242. *Epoxytocin No. 87 walks into the room*

    *music of the gods plays*

    *Every female from 8 to 80 stops what she is doing to admire a exquisite piece of God’s artwork.*

    grandma R says under her breath: “ if I was 50 years younger”

    Every female in Château Roissy is respectful of lil grl. Therefore, we advert our eyes before epoxy catches us looking and swing our wine glass up to lil grl in a silent toast to a female who achieved the unattainable for most.

    epoxy Yeah, girls are different, but not so different that you’re starting from square one.

    Not to keep teasing you about your looks but don’t you think what you look like comes into play here? Some women will be so excited to snag a man who looks like you that you don’t have to do much to make them “see stars”.

    It’s multifacted but largely mental for women(agree j’5). The fact that your take on women(in this spere) is radically different from that of most guys here shouldn’t be overlooked.

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  243. chic noir

    *big smile*
    I promise I won’t tell bhetti

    In addition to being well aware that I’m in a committed living together relationship, Bhetti explicitly lets me otherwise play. She’s made that clear several times on this board in fact. Including specifically re: e-flirting w/ aoefe.

    Yeah it makes her a little (at least) jealous. It also juices things up some more. I also reassure her.

    Not everything plays according to the feminist or even current Christian rulebook Chic.

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  244. @chic

    Bhetti knows I know my place. 🙂

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  245. Epoxy the wise sexologist said – “Only a guy who is so autistically detail-oriented that he doesn’t see the big picture…”

    I do believe some men are paying WAAAAAAY too much attention to the how to’s instead of the to the what feel’s. If there’s ever a time to use base animal instinct – this is it. Just sayin…

    Be the Nike. Just do it.

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  246. @aoefe- The problem is, many of them men read this blog are on the spectrum so they have diffculty reading human emotions and those small signals.

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  247. chic opined – “The problem is, many of them men read this blog are on the spectrum so they have diffculty reading human emotions and those small signals.”

    Srsly?? Never would have guessed.

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  248. @ aoefe, chic

    chic opined – “The problem is, many of them men read this blog are on the spectrum so they have diffculty reading human emotions and those small signals.”

    Srsly?? Never would have guessed.

    SRSLY!!!

    Sometimes things said on this board bothers me…but then I have to remember what I’m dealing with. As I’ve argued before, I don’t think any guy becomes interested in, or even really understands the concept of, game, unless he has a severely analytical brain.

    @ chic

    Not to keep teasing you about your looks but don’t you think what you look like comes into play here? Some women will be so excited to snag a man who looks like you that you don’t have to do much to make them “see stars”.

    Yeah, keep working here, sister.

    In his own words: “I guess I’m probably about a 6 on most girls’ scales.”

    I think he just doesn’t want to admit to himself that his girlfriend is a lil’ bit shallow (don’t worry, though, I love him for his mind).

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  249. SIX? DOES EPOXY HAVE EYES? Yes, he does. They rate more than a six. Maybe he meant nine and mentally flipped it.

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  250. @ Bhetti

    Yeah, and then he goes and tells me he thinks we’re about the same level of attractiveness.

    …Maybe it was a neg.

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  251. Your bf is a keeper lilgrl. Humble and generous. Or maybe he just has self esteem issues. He’s a 9, and you’re a 5.

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  252. @srsly lilgrl – I don’t think any guy becomes interested in, or even really understands the concept of, game, unless he has a severely analytical brain.

    Hmmmm interesting. The problem in over analyzing however is you question to much your next move.

    “I’ve moved from A1 and did two kenos back to back – should I reframe or head straight to A3 and be damned…”

    “Oh god, she looked over her shoulder was that a head toss? Oh I think…wait…fuck its a tourettes tick!”

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  253. I’ve faked it with women too. I wonder how common this is. Usually it’s ‘cos I’m not one to turn down sex but hey, they’re just not looking so hot.

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  254. I’m really not sure why people have a hard time assimilating into their world view that not all women have a g-spot, and that it is of different sizes for different women.

    My live in can come from a spank on the ass. Or from a thought. Some girls come with NO stimulation.

    My other has a tiny clit and a negligable g-spot.

    The c-v ratio relates only to clitoral orgasms – inferior orgasms. A girl who comes on top is having inferior clitoral orgasms.

    I’m lazy for the link to the science, but it was discovered within the last six months that the female g-spot is the direct equivalent of the male prostate. There is an article on newscientist.com about it.

    Sex with a woman who has vaginal orgasms easily is much, much better than sex with a woman who doesn’t.

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  255. Oh, and yes, worry if you don’t give her orgasms.

    Her previous 8 boyfriends didn’t.

    And it’s not all down to the size of my dick, or even the motion of my ocean. A mysterious voodoo chemistry (pronounced “game”) made gave her the needed swoon. Domination and flirtation and romance and an aura of fun and power and mastery. Chemistry.

    Yes, worry about it. If no orgasms, there is a lack of chemistry or inferior biology.

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  256. I’m almost programmed to see women with long fingers as hard-to-please, and thus more likely to be a biitch. Wondering if any other guys had this gut instinct as well.

    Dainty doll hands are one the sexiest features a girl can have.

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  257. but its not what makes sex great. A partner you have a real attraction to is what does it.

    I think it was mentioned on this blog that women confuse someone elses dominant lust for them with their own feelings of willingness and surrender. Newscientist has something on that as well.

    Chemistry isn’t entirely about egalitarian mutual interest. You can incite a riot of interest with controlled intense passion.

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  258. PA

    I said the exact opposite: a properly gamed women is a woman whose inner reptile you OWN, rendering her oblivious to reason, such as looking for better deals.

    Which is why a healthy catch-phrase to use, when you synesthetically-kinesthetically fell inside her belly area with your mind and dick and are joining with her warm glow in the intense times and are hitting home like a hammer on a gerbil is “I own you”.

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  259. Tupac

    I see that too. I.e., legs closing, squeezing me out from the vaj, pushing away, just at the moment of orgasm. I usually have to force my way in to stay balls deep. Wuzzupwidat ladies?

    Dude. You are not dominant enough.

    You need to slap more. I know it sounds counter-intuitive. You probably think you need to woo more.

    She is pushing out the beta. Slap her down for that crap.

    Women play games, you can play them too. Give her the cold shoulder. Tell her outright. Make it known her sex style is laughable and needs work. Make her try harder.

    Don’t woo and ask and try to please – at least not directly. Know what to do, and have her join you in the fun. Throw her around on the bed like a rag doll, sometimes.

    If her sex is inferior, break up and explain why. She’ll crawl back and beg you to teach her how to do it right. (As per my anectodal experiences)

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  260. Doug, spot on

    Part of looking sexually hot to me is how receptive/hungry she looks for lusty sexual dominance

    Which is why Britney Spears was never sexy. Pre-pube gilrs thought adults thought she was sexy. She danced without fire, and I don’t call that dancing. It’s choreographed movement.

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  261. Doug

    but often the sense of being emotionally overwhelmed on the good side, or unable to let go (of higher brain control) on the bad side is more important. It think the later if strong enough is always enough.

    Chinese men often choose Malay stock women (Thai, Malaysian, Indonesian) as wives, even though they are more stupid and not as good at business. Because they are more physical and in their bodies and fun. Sexier.

    They not only let go easier, they are in a constant state of body.

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  262. Doug

    In the end I think large and especially very large cock size only matters a lot to women when they think it does. That is I really do think that’s all in their head (saving when he’s really small perhaps.)

    I agree with your premise, up until it neglects the physical. Look to dildo sizes for what women find physically ideal. The most popular dildos are about 7 inches and of modest girth. You don’t see many thin and short dildos.

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  263. Doug

    It’s in this sense that advice by alphas for males to not worry about the woman’s orgasm makes the most sense. It’s really saying to not become obsessed by it or to become slavish about trying to give it.

    And here I’ll wholeheartedly disagree.

    An ego bolstered by weak supports is a weak ego. Self esteem, as a concept, relies on weak supports. What you feel about yourself is not nearly as important as what you can actually do.

    If you can’t do it, learn.

    Chi-kung. Yoga. Body centered meditations. Mater your energies, and naturally you can master others.

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  264. Tupac

    …When girls are horny,…

    Yes, provider mode, vs horny mode.

    Some men are built to woo the women who want providers. Some men are built to woo the hot-pants chicks.

    It’s true, there is sexual diversification, and we are best met matching our needs.

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  265. Poetry of squirt

    But women and their orgasms are so varied, it can be really tough for a guy to “succeed” a good percentage of the time, even if you train one to please you, the next girl he sleeps with may be completely different.

    Makes me feel sorry for the male population, actually. So much pressure to perform.

    An accomplished musician can easily switch styles. A novice musician can easily learn.

    I’ve been impotent. Pressure to perform happens. Like heartbreak, you move on. After awhile, you are not even afraid of heartbreak. Even a limp dick is not a hardship.

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  266. PA

    Alan Roebuck, who initially came across as a good-faith questioner of Game, asked: “If Game really has value to conservatism, persuade me.”

    To which I replied: “My answer, as concise as I can make it: Game is about regaining control of our women, who are presently out of control.”

    And now Roebuck writes: “But Game is just about gaining control of women in order to have sex, not to bring them into a virtuous lifestyle… ”

    As though the whole point of Marriage-Game and Dave from Hawaii’s example has not been pounded into Austerites heads. Sheesh.

    Game is about what evolution is about.

    Nothing.

    Game is about what a gun is about.

    Whatever you want to use it for.

    It has no ends. It is nothing but means.

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  267. Guy who wants to be known as black on the internet

    NE Asian men and women were really made for each other.

    Nope. Women are hypergamous, therefore aim for men more masculine than the norm in their society. Asian girls who want extreme masculine traits go for whites, the white girls with T-lust go for hispanic pool boys, or sometimes even a black businessman.

    And men go for feminine women. Blacks go for whites, whites go for Asians.

    T select and K select theory have something do with it – did I get that right? Equatorial peoples generally breed more and invest less, northern peoples breed less and invest brains and culture into resources. Dumb athletes aim for smart brides, and smart girls aim for dumb athletes.

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  268. on August 28, 2009 at 8:40 am Seeking Alpha

    I think 14 consecutive posts might be a record.

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  269. Jack B

    f your movement can easily be publicly characterized as a movement of nice boys, as opposed to real men, you have a serious problem.

    No one on this blog has ever given vision to their vague notion of a beta uprising.

    What, exactly, are the betas going to do?

    It’s all vague “just you watch out, don’t provoke the betas. we can uprise, you know. watch your back”

    What kind of threat is that? Where are the militia? Where are the military? Where are the guerillas with their effective warfare?

    Nowhere. It’s fantasy.

    Betas uprising to do what? Win a revolution and then still be lonely, after all?

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  270. S.A – yet another off topic post. Any comments on Ayn Rand? Or would you prefer to talk about orgasms?

    This is one thread where being on topic shows shows peoples value system.

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  271. Doug

    It’s also between sluts and good girls. Sluts at the extreme love sex thrills totally divorced form love formation or male commitment. Good girls at the extreme can’t enjoy sex at all and actually even when they try (I’ll confess i have to think with less than a real alpha stud) can’t feel sexual thrills, but in any event feel empty, soiled and unfilled afterwords when they do.

    As you mention, a yapping puppy in the house is the fault of poor masters. An a-sexual woman has a bad parent.

    It’s the duty of the dominant male to mould the girl into the best she can be, for him.

    A slightly sexual woman will be put to the tasks best suited her.

    And it’s his duty to train up her sexuality as best he can. It’s his fault if she remains feeling that sex is a dirty sin, that isn’t fun. A dirty sin is fine. But it should be a fun sin.

    The manager finds the appropriate tasks for each worker.

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  272. on August 28, 2009 at 11:00 am BMM black military man

    Xsplat:

    Nope. Women are hypergamous, therefore aim for men more masculine than the norm in their society. Asian girls who want extreme masculine traits go for whites, the white girls with T-lust go for hispanic pool boys, or sometimes even a black businessman.

    And men go for feminine women. Blacks go for whites, whites go for Asians.

    T select and K select theory have something do with it – did I get that right? Equatorial peoples generally breed more and invest less, northern peoples breed less and invest brains and culture into resources. Dumb athletes aim for smart brides, and smart girls aim for dumb athletes.

    ……………………………………………………………

    AND YET, Asians marry Asians, Blacks marry Blacks and Whites marry Whites – overwhelmingly more than they even date the “other”.

    Face it, we like, LOVE, to be with our own.

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  273. Johnny five, What exactly are you getting at? Are you trying to say that you’re a great lover and you make girls orgasm regardless of their past ability to orgasm? If so more power to you but you’re drawing from a sample size of one yourself so you can’t vouch for the rest of mankind. I guess it would be in your ego’s best interest to think that women who orgasm with you are orgasming because of you and for no other reason. And you’ll find men to back you up on this because men find it easier to believe things about themselves if it also applies to all other men. I admire men’s ability to close ranks in this way.

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  274. Yes, BMM, I agree. But where there is a drift to another race, it’s in the direction I mentioned.

    And there is a large and measurable drift.

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  275. Lisa, what exactly are you getting at? Are you saying that you’ve never had a superior lover who thrilled you in ways no other man approached, and made you feel things you never thought you were capable of?

    Poor you, then.

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  276. “AND YET, Asians marry Asians, Blacks marry Blacks and Whites marry Whites – overwhelmingly more than they even date the “other”.

    Face it, we like, LOVE, to be with our own.”

    Yes, we do. But it seems to have less to do with race than with culture where I live. Korean immigrants marry other Korean immigrants, not Americanized Koreans. Jews marry Jews, Catholics marry Catholics (whether they are of Irish or Italian extraction), African immigrants marry other African immigrants, not African-Americans.

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  277. on August 30, 2009 at 12:43 am msexceptiontotherule

    Whoa, for once, I can’t think of anything to say. Damn.

    “Is everything always about sex?” “Of course it is, what would make you believe otherwise?” …”That’s not the point.”

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  278. Mating/dating choices, reproductive choices and fetishes across the globe;

    http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005921.html#comment247001

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  279. […] further reading, see Roissy’s excellent post on the female […]

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  280. i likes this blog, so the large community around. so everywhere im looking.

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  281. […] near the same time, I read this post by Roissy. Now, I have never sat down with a ruler and measured my wife’s anatomy. Nor do I […]

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