The Church Of David Alexander

David Alexander, frequent blogosphere commenter, extraordinarily successful troll, and often self-contradictory advocate for the supposed virtues of the celibate omega male way of life, has started a church — The Church of David Alexander — and a new religion, Davidalexanderism.

Here is his First Article of Faith:

Article The First: Betas must not reproduce or impose themselves upon women. These women are unwilling, only wishing to steal your money perhaps or shower you with contempt.

Hey, if enlightened liberal SWPLs can invent a new cult religion worshipping Gaia and Her only begotten Sons, Anthropogenic Global Warming and Free Range Sea Salt, I don’t see why it’s any less irrational for David Alexander to have a church in His name where His flock goes to worship the greatness of His supernatural omegatude.

“I am the beta and the omega, the second from last and the last, the living end and the dead end.”

“I am beta am.”

“Go, be fruitless and masturbate.”

(Church of David Alexander website courtesy of reader Bhetti.)





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  1. Roissy, you’re better than this. Your horizons are on a higher level than tangling (howbeit successfully) with incurable trolls.

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  2. “Go, be fruitless and masturbate.”

    I died laughing.

    David Alexander should have quit while he was ahead….wait, he never was.

    =x

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  3. Katto: Well, to be fair, I’m the one who built the thing.

    And it is just… funny. Amusing. A laugh.

    Which is very roissy.

    It’s not malicious from my side. DA seems to enjoy these things.

    “I am the beta and the omega, the second from last and the last, the living end and the dead end.”

    LoL! Amen!

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  4. Haha “Just be yourself” is smeared at the bottom of the main page

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  5. Worship is perhaps the wrong word. David Alexander is offering himself up for mockery and scorn.

    Perhaps a new word is needed for such an interaction as “worship” simply will not do.

    I offer up “contemptualization” as a possibility, the act of holding in contempt.

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  6. Brilliant work, Bhetti!
    DA would have a big kick out of it!

    Pupu still has 1 day and 8 hours to recover from the giggle before the fireworks start.

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  7. At least DA can still get himself a “pay as you go girlfriend.” http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article6619096.ece

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  8. on July 3, 2009 at 1:00 pm russell rodriguez

    im joinin his church soon haha, its very hard to be alpha male in america when you are still learning to speak lots of english.

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  9. I love how the first few commenters on here didn’t get that the Church of DA page is a joke.

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  10. Keep the faith David! The sexbots are coming! I swear!

    Only they’ll be made by Honda and they won’t be as cool as you hoped.

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  11. Yes, people genuinely believed that DA was creating an actual new religion. No one at all believed that it was a joke. After all, how could anyone interpret “I died laughing”, “And it is just… funny. Amusing. A laugh.” or “1 day and 8 hours to recover from the giggle” as indicating that it was interpreted as a joke?

    And David Alexander surely deserves to be contemptualized.

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  12. the church must be stopped before they incite an Inquisition to make me give up smacking pussy around.

    time for a counter Alpha Crusade or Jihad.

    Get Janest Reno, the ATF and Sick Willie on the case. Tell them, the church is in Waco, DA has guns and is (thinking about) fucking teen girl ass.

    …do the priests in this new church diddle little boys,
    or merely instruct them how to properly shoot into a Kleenex with tears streaming from
    their
    eyes
    ?

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  13. i was thinking roissy was going to post a female beauty judging since its friday, something about game since its friday, or hell even the fall of america since it’ll be july 4th soon.

    this will be suffice. i guess.

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  14. Wait, so being an obnoxious troll on this blog gets you your very own special post from Roissy?

    *starts crafting angry feminist diatribes, woman-hating rants and off-topic comments about pubic topiary*

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  15. @kalliope:

    Darnit, that “mow the lawn” commercial for lady razors just popped in my head.

    Thanks a lot.

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  16. on July 3, 2009 at 1:21 pm Незаметный Карл

    Hi folks I’m new here. Am starii friend of Russia and Russian devochkis! When I was a molodyets I often travelled to Russia, for Russian and devochki lessons in valuta bars.

    For Russian girls, all Western men are alphas and make gina tingle and there is no such thing as ‘Nyet’.

    From their POV, Betas do not exist outside Russia. If David Alexander wants lots of converts, he will have to go East.

    More later must do my homework otherwise current devochka tie me up and beat me with paddle.

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  17. on July 3, 2009 at 1:33 pm Virginia Gentleman

    As Rod Serling used to say, “Submitted for your approval:”

    I keep thinking the font used in certain parts of it is reminiscent of the font used in the opening credits for the new Battlestar Galactica. Inspired by the Bear McCreary track, “Prologue”:

    David Alexander was built by woman.

    He submitted.

    He regressed.

    He looks and feels human.

    He is programmed to think that he is subhuman.

    There are many like him.

    And he has a plan.

    Now all we need is aoefe, the requisite Canadian temptress, cooing in his ear, “It’s all part of NOW’s plan, David…”

    Original sourcehere. DA, I don’t mean this out of malice, but the comic opportunity was too great.

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  18. kalliope:

    woman-hating rants

    Are you mistaking the actual blog posts for trolling?! 😉

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  19. on July 3, 2009 at 1:44 pm Lawyer from Hell

    miamiyeahh:
    “Keep the faith David! The sexbots are coming! I swear!

    Only they’ll be made by Honda and they won’t be as cool as you hoped.”

    On the plus side, they’ll be more dependable than American made.

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  20. Bhetti

    kalliope: Are you mistaking the actual blog posts for trolling?! 😉

    leave her alone, she’s a WNBA jock and she’s not used to men’s company

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  21. on July 3, 2009 at 2:07 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    “Go, be fruitless and masturbate.”
    LMAO

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  22. on July 3, 2009 at 2:11 pm GNPs are for Apes

    OK, this is just to timely to pass up, so I am going to repeat what I had said on the previous thread :

    David Alexander is a direct threat to black dudes with Game, who want to create such a brand for black dudes. Hence, the extreme effort that Obsidian, Tupac, etc. put into pleading DA not to bring the brand down.

    DA’s supposed Oreoism also trips up the ‘authentic’ black dudes, since DA admits that most black women are obese. He admits that the old African hard-wiring that leads black men to admire the mightiest big creatures of Africa (elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros) as dominant life-forms also leads them to seek out black women who match these great creatures in size, shape, color, and texture. Since DA has distanced himself from this fetish, it is harder for Obese-dian to legitimize the fetish as a ‘cultural preference’.

    However, I provided Obsidian with a solution for DA’s maladies. Obsidian has to draw upon has vast contacts and recruit the largest, sweetest, jolliest, most generous big black woman he can find, to teach David Alexander a thing or two, while letting DA be the mahout. Obese-dian can find such a woman from his big black book.

    This experience would crush out all of DA’s omega-ism and self-doubt (along with much else). At least we can all agree that DA will never be the same again.

    This is exactly what it would look like. Note that a movie has already been made about DA’s upcoming experience.

    No baby steps. It is time to go the whole 9 tons here.

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  23. Lets call him Norbit Alexander :

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  24. HAHA, you really are too much.

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  25. shit is hilarious….glad DA could unwrench his hands from his cock long enough to channel his efforts into his Church

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  26. on July 3, 2009 at 3:17 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea but Bhetti what if he gets millions of converts?

    You may have just inadvertantly helped out the anti-christ.

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  27. I love this line found in the location tab:

    “The Church is located in the most central part of Self Loathing, just three miles down the freeway from the city of Isolation. ”

    Bhetti you Rock!! I too think David will enjoy it. 🙂

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  28. on July 3, 2009 at 3:25 pm ironrailsironweights

    The Church of Peter:

    The First (and only) Commandment – women must have … you can figure the rest.

    Peter

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  29. Fellow Darwinists,

    How did David Alexander evolve?

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  30. on July 3, 2009 at 3:39 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The First (and only) Commandment – women must have … you can figure the rest.

    In Peter’s church, a woman must have a dick, a hairy ass, and wool that can be shorn and turned into sweaters.

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  31. @peter- no, that’s *your* church. david would only go for GNPs if he likes exclusively 70s classic porn. and i doubt that, because it doesn’t feature fake boobs and nails and other grotesquely synthetic aspects of current porn.

    while i don’t obsessively fetishize it like you, i’m an occasional parishioner at your church. i like a little fur down there. so keep preaching, brother, and convert a sinful, godless word filled with hideous pedophilic bald eagles. one set of pudenda at a time.

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  32. I’m guessing Tupac hasn’t seen it yet. Love the reference Bhetti – your synapses were firing hot.

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  33. HBD Books

    Fellow Darwinists, How did David Alexander evolve?

    he sprang from the primordial soup
    of Brad Pitt’s dormant
    testicles

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  34. “Go, be fruitless and masturbate.”

    Indeed. David seems to be something of an intellectual suicide bomber.

    If men who initially didn’t have much success at the clubs and bars with the ladies pulled what he has……………….then only about 10% of men would attempt to marry and have kids. Its a forumla for a civilizational-NON-birthrate suicide.

    Ive tried to explain to David Alexander that almost EVERYBODY settles for their mate. Few get someone that is their absolute first, second, or even 55th choice if they could have “anyone” at “da’ club”.

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  35. This here article cries out for the Rapier like wit of Roissy:

    http://www.doublex.com/section/life/my-mother-married-her-prison-pen-pal

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  36. This is one of the funniest things I’ve read in a while. Thanks for the laugh.

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  37. @z:

    “Ive tried to explain to David Alexander that almost EVERYBODY settles for their mate.”

    I was listening to “Cha! said the kitty” just as I read that.

    “Settle for the chump change
    Settle down
    Make it like a godsend
    Feeling like a has-been
    Remember when
    All these times you suck, you know
    You’re suckered into sucking”

    hmm.

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  38. @Lupo

    I found the article well written, interesting and sad.

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  39. cptnapalm

    “Yes, people genuinely believed that DA was creating an actual new religion. No one at all believed that it was a joke. After all, how could anyone interpret “I died laughing”, “And it is just… funny. Amusing. A laugh.” or “1 day and 8 hours to recover from the giggle” as indicating that it was interpreted as a joke?

    And David Alexander surely deserves to be contemptualized.”

    HE IS FLAME, YOU GET THAT RIGHT??? Pretty poorly executed flame at that.

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  40. David Alexander should have quit while he was ahead….wait, he never was.

    I was ahead of all those guys who degraded themselves by fucking ugly girls.

    At least DA can still get himself a “pay as you go girlfriend.”

    If David makes enough money in the future (which is highly unlikely), he may go that route, and just pay for the nails/heels/makeup.

    It’s not malicious from my side. DA seems to enjoy these things.

    I’m quite fond of the effort that you’ve put in so far. I enjoy it. 🙂

    Wait, so being an obnoxious troll on this blog gets you your very own special post from Roissy?

    IIRC, this is the third post featuring me as the central topic. The first post was about my non-date with Athena last year, and the second was about the sex-bots. Just being an obnoxious troll doesn’t win you special posts, but one must be the finest, attention-whoring troll possible capable of coming up with new absurd thoughts and a willingness to sacrifice your own happiness to be an ass on a public blog.

    Re: Virginia Gentleman

    I appreciate your comic skewering of my sub-human malehood. It’s funny and has left a big smile on my face.

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  41. If men who initially didn’t have much success at the clubs and bars with the ladies pulled what he has……………….then only about 10% of men would attempt to marry and have kids. Its a forumla for a civilizational-NON-birthrate suicide.

    I don’t see anything wrong with that. If you fail at something, then you shouldn’t bother trying anymore, and you should move on to something that you don’t suck at like riding trains. Civilization can move on with only 10% of people reproducing, and if it can’t, then it deserved to die due to it’s inferiority.

    Ive tried to explain to David Alexander that almost EVERYBODY settles for their mate. Few get someone that is their absolute first, second, or even 55th choice if they could have “anyone” at “da’ club”.

    Settling for a car or a home is one thing, but settling for something as important as a relationship is WRONG.

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  42. on July 3, 2009 at 4:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    But if you don’t go out and meet woman yea of course you will be settling.

    ””””””””””At least DA can still get himself a “pay as you go girlfriend.”

    If David makes enough money in the future (which is highly unlikely), he may go that route, and just pay for the nails/heels/makeup.””””””””””””

    Yea you just have to up your hours worked or your pay and you can afford times where you get to be king. From what I hear plenty of jobs in nyc it is my new fall back city for if I am not finished yet with my plan.

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  43. on July 3, 2009 at 5:12 pm GNPs are for Apes

    I was ahead of all those guys who degraded themselves by fucking ugly girls.

    DA is ahead of most black men, as a result.

    In fact, the fact that DA does not contribute to any crime, AIDS, or drug statistics means that he is a net positive contributor to society, in relation to most other black men.

    Sure, he lacks Game. But he lacks criminality too.

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  44. Apeman,
    If that’s true, than surely Black Men like myself are a net positive, as I have all of DA’s benefits, plus I got natural and skills-acquired Game, gainfully employed, etc. It can and has and is being done, all the time. DA is a true oddball in the Black community. His kind exists, but is rare.

    O

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  45. on July 3, 2009 at 5:30 pm Steve Johnson

    DA-

    “I was ahead of all those guys who degraded themselves by fucking ugly girls.”

    Ha! Instead you’ve got an ugly girlfriend that you don’t even fuck.

    Yep, you really won this round.

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  46. Obsidian, stop responding to the attention whore beta troll GNP already. Attention is exactly what he wants.

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  47. As for the Philosophies listed at the Church’s website

    Article I -> Truth. Imposing yourself on a woman as a beta is a waste, and merely going to lead to her being frustrated. Only permit yourself platonic relationships with women who choose to impose themselves on you.

    Article II -> Truth, except that only a select few may engage in game if it leads them to sexual paradise with of the hottest women.

    Article III -> Truth. If one feels urges toward a woman, one must increase masturbation to twice per night to ensure that any feelings are suppressed and destroyed, lest you waste your time on this female. Masturbation with proper equipment can yield superior and easily achieved orgasms than via sexual interaction with average women. Women are best left for alphas who are the only ones capable of making use of them.

    Article IV -> Truth. And the hypersexual women are only for short-term non-emotional use due to their lack of high IQ for breeding. Otherwise, all other women are unattractive for sexual purposes regardless of their beauty.

    Article V -> Truth. No beta may become an alpha. The beta penalty brake application will prohibits this, and any alpha behaviour will induce severe mental illness upon the beta who engages in alpha behaviour. Being confident is being irrational for a beta, and being assertive and more masculine is a proxy for being an asshole!

    Article VII -> Apocrypha. Beta males should only befriend women that they are not sexually attracted to, and reciprocate the warmth and support that they receive from their female friends. If you find yourself becoming sexually attracted to the girl, one should masturbate repeatedly until those evil urges subside. Living at home is perfectly acceptable, and helps to support parents that we love and pay for hobbies and eventually monies can be funnelled into home ownership.

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  48. Ha! Instead you’ve got an ugly girlfriend that you don’t even fuck.

    Yep, you really won this round.

    But she’s not ugly. She’s pretty!

    And she’s not my girlfriend. She’s just somebody that I talk to on the phone, online, and at work, and an infrequent shopping and dining partner. Some other guy handles the icky sex part, and spends money on her buying her gifts and stuff while I pay nothing for her. I get the fun and none of the responsibilities of a boyfriend, while he’s the sucker. 😛

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  49. Unfortunately, DA’s example seems to be the developing norm among many men in this country.

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  50. on July 3, 2009 at 5:54 pm Gunslingergregi

    Probably going to be easier to get worse. Marriage gilletine hanging over head plus video games that keep getting better.

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  51. on July 3, 2009 at 5:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Smart way for dave to go though would be 84 hours a week buy couple houses make what he makes now except no one to beg for a day off. Play on blogs all day which is not expensive at all.

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  52. And she’s not my girlfriend. She’s just somebody that I talk to on the phone, online, and at work, and an infrequent shopping and dining partner. Some other guy handles the icky sex part, and spends money on her buying her gifts and stuff while I pay nothing for her. I get the fun and none of the responsibilities of a boyfriend, while he’s the sucker.

    So basically you are a gay man…

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  53. on July 3, 2009 at 6:08 pm Gunslingergregi

    We need post on how to beat the marriage game and still have kids. I want kids. Even the other guys kid is a cute little shit he he he. Like when you get a dog you can love the dog I suppose. When you adopt a kid same I think you can love the kid. Held the midget he looked me in eye. Yea we are gonna be cool.

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  54. on July 3, 2009 at 6:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    I figured out how but not everyone can be me. How do you do it in us with its draconian laws that don’t make sense anymore except to help with gnp.

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  55. Off-topic, but I have a question:

    Does Roissy have herpes? Is it possible to be a player without eventually getting herpes?

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  56. When you think about it, D.A. makes more sense than many.

    I mean, what if we were really just monkeys, sitting up in a tree, all jabbering back and forth to each other in some sort of crude language, with our conversation only to do with quasibreeding activity?

    D.A. would be the only one making sense.

    D.A.’s main defect seems to be he is not making a lot of money. If he were, he could just substitute beautiful hookers for his porn. Then, D.A. would get a lot more respect.

    Money talks.

    Well, I am sure glad were aren’t a bunch of monkeys.

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  57. Kudos to Roissy for repudiating militant atheism in an earlier thread. Being a materialist douche about God is like being a materialist douche abotu love.

    You know, just pictuer some dork jabbering self-righteously about serotonin oxyticin and whatever. Things he never felt, so he mocks with sophomoric science.

    Same with feeling a religious awe. Anyone who has experiences strong emotional highs or lows knows that ther eis somethign to this God-talk. Milketoast bloodless nerds, on the other hand, know nothign of emotions, except maybe an anxious unease around superior males.

    Nothign wrong with being an atheist. Being a mouthy nerd about it, on the other hand…

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  58. @ Tarl
    I don’t think DA is gay. He clearly has a fetish for a specific type of woman. I just think he’s conditioned himself to suppress his urges and feelings. It’s a mechanism to fight rejection. Many people do this, I believe, after a break up or a situation that doesn’t work out… but he’s made it a lifestyle.

    And it seems with women being in a position to take care of themselves, more and more men would resort to this (that is, if they do not have the money/superiority to find the woman that fits their standards).

    Ah, there is always settling. DA seems to shoot above his mark.

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  59. on July 3, 2009 at 7:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    Pa so your working mad hours eh. Baby got you going all out.
    he he he

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  60. on July 3, 2009 at 8:01 pm GNPs are for Apes

    If that’s true, than surely Black Men like myself are a net positive, as I have all of DA’s benefits, plus I got natural and skills-acquired Game, gainfully employed, etc.

    Yes, you are. I have not said otherwise. Your guidance to others on matters of Game is valuable, plus you are no longer a lawbreaker, and are gainfully employed.

    I have even, in the past, explained that fatty-fucking performs a social service, in a way. In that way, you are a humanitarian.

    Coming back to DA, we can agree that he is not a liability to the taxpayer the way that thuggish blacks are.

    But what he really needs is the hookup we talked about. You must selected the biggest, jolliest, most generous big black woman you know. The experience will crush out DA’s various maladies and other vices. Come on, he needs it.

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  61. It’s the industry I’m in. A furious surge of activity right now.

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  62. on July 3, 2009 at 8:02 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Joe,

    I am an alpha. You are an Omega.

    Any questions?

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  63. on July 3, 2009 at 8:05 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I hear ammo is selling out everywhere. Almost can’t make enough he he he

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  64. Perhaps of interest but I recently encountered a man (cock diesel, pilot uniform, attractive but not a 10) who confided that after chatting up women he found sexually attractive at a bar he often suggested they go straight to a hotel and have sex. All are taken aback of course. About a quarter say no, most ask for elaboration, and half or more go for it.

    How does he pose the question? By reminding them he’s married but he wouldn’t mind fucking their brains out if they understood he wasn’t available beyond the tryst.

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  65. on July 3, 2009 at 8:43 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Holy shit guys, look what I found. A feminist realizing the dangers of feminized school systems on young boys who doesn’t hate masculinity and writes for the women’s section of this online periodical Butters linked! http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article4288100.ece

    Maybe there’s hope. Maybe will stop “beta-izing at birth” and the natural alphas will be allowed to flourish. Even DA might have turned out at least somewhat more alpha if he hadn’t been socialized so abysmally.

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  66. on July 3, 2009 at 9:06 pm HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    DA’s problem isn’t that he’s hyperbolically pathetic or super-beta, he’s very intelligent and has obvious understanding of human social dynamics. I feel like “real” betas are those completely ignorant or deeply entrenched in a post-gender feminist paradigm and stay there even when confronted with the truth. DA is so aware of his beta-tude and he’s not hapless like most betas. What’s so strange about DA is his complete complacency. He has absolutely no desire to succeed or break out of his beta ways even if he’s completely aware he can and should. Just look at the way he writes, he’s obviously reasonably high IQ. He’s just a few student loans and some determination away from a graduate degree and likely a great deal of female attention will follow solely from that(well, maybe not depending on what he studies). I mean, the only way his bizarre complacency can be accounted for is freakishly low T levels. It’s just not hard to pick up a copy of mystery method and give it even limited application. He doesn’t even have to be proactive about it and create any interaction with women by going to clubs or bars, but just completely change the way he behaves in the interactions with women that are COMPLETELY INEVITABLE living in modern human society.

    Like the BOTM candidates we know are all completely oblivious to what they’re doing wrong. DA is “worse” in many eyes because he’s completely aware of why he is unsuccessful with women and has absolutely no desire to change it.

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  67. on July 3, 2009 at 9:16 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””Some people blame this nosedive, first noticed in the mid-Nineties, on the “feminisation” of education – too many women teachers, girl-friendly classroom environments and modular exam systems that suit girls’ study skills but disadvantage risk-takers. “Geniuses are much more likely to be male,” Palmer says, “but if you don’t tick the right boxes, you fail.” ”””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Not first noticed in mid nineties. My mom was involved with start of cable tv. She noticed the attempt at feminization of boys way before that. Hence her fights with the female establishment of teachers when I was growing up.

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  68. on July 3, 2009 at 9:18 pm Gunslingergregi

    I guess really if you want to have rights for men need to get the woman on board too who will also fight for it tirelessely. They have some benefits I suppose.

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  69. on July 3, 2009 at 9:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    And notice ladies the last few days are the only days I have thought good thoughts about my mom after what she did to my dad in the divorce and that shit was 14 years or so ago.

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  70. @gunslingergregi

    “They have some benefits I suppose.”

    We do have have things we bring to the table (besides dinner). 😉

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  71. @Gunslingergregi

    “And notice ladies the last few days are the only days I have thought good thoughts about my mom after what she did to my dad in the divorce and that shit was 14 years or so ago.”

    That’s really good to hear. 🙂

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  72. We do have have things we bring to the table (besides dinner).

    Other than hugs and serving as a dinner partner, my Church sees nothing else than women bring to the table. Hence my Church supports sending women to work to earn their own income.

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  73. on July 3, 2009 at 9:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea I think it has been the wife. I mean I tried to break her and couldn’t he he he well other than her pelvis.

    But yea a good woman.

    4 year long distance its in-human. She made it though and so did I.

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  74. I would like to start a Branch Davidian (Alexandrian) similar to Messianic Judaism, on the grounds that although I have a smidgen of Game, and actually DO have a sex life, my various illnesses and disabilities qualify me. Members of the BD of the Church of DA are required to watch porn without self-pleasuring, and to find average women attractive, unretouched and without make-up and nails. They will, however, engage in ritual sex, in the form of a once-weekly black mass, to be known as the “Non-Date F*ck.”

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  75. Eurosabra, your heretical faith sickens me. You shall be excommunicated immediately unless you kneel before Zod and repent for your sins.

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  76. @DA

    The first time I read your message I thought you said

    “(woman) serving AS a dinner party”

    And I was thinking what kind of church do you go to!! Then realized I’d misread it but I liked it better the way I read it the first time, more interesting.

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  77. @gunglingergregi

    You’ve got yourself a good woman, good for you.

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  78. Then realized I’d misread it but I liked it better the way I read it the first time, more interesting.

    While your quote appeals to the porn addicted side, your evil temptations shall not work upon me. Go be submissive with some big Canadian alpha male. 😛

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  79. @HungryHungryHipposyo

    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article4288100

    The issue I have with this article is it says that they should let “boys be boys.”

    I say,”let children be children.” I was a young girl once, and I didn’t play with dolls all the time. The rare five minutes you could sit me down to play with barbies, I’d have them fight each other. (plushies are a different story)

    I loved running. Playing hide and seek, tag, musical chairs, freeze dance, all those games were fun. Particularly hide and seek. I loved running around, I loved racing other kids my age. I loved playing on the monkey bars, doing flips on them and falling off to break my arm once. I wasn’t a tomboy. I wore jumpers and my favorite color was purple. I was a kid.

    I’ve spent two summers working as a camp counselor, and although the children are allowed to run around and play, there are a lot more limits imposed. No one really plays hide and seek or tag anymore. It isn’t “recommended.” Recommended games are games like “everybody’s it,” in which everybody runs around and tags each other. I mean, it’s fun for three minutes, until one kid stops and asks,”What are we supposed to be doing?”

    Kids aren’t even allowed to play with imaginary weapons. Because, you know, pointing your finger at someone is the same thing as shooting them. Definitely.

    And one trend I’ve seen, since my childhood, was the “everybody’s equal” tidbit. Whenever I’d get the honor roll, other kids would look at me with jealousy and say,”Everybody’s equal.” Whenever somebody else ran the fastest mile, a small group of fat kids would look at them with envy and say,”Everybody’s equal.”

    Ok, yes, everybody has EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, but no, not everybody’s equal. He ran a faster mile than you. Suck it up. I got straight A’s. Suck it up. I hate this new trend of,”Let’s not give recognition where it’s due! That way, no one will get jealous!” No. That only discourages students from trying to fulfill their full potential.

    Recently, there’s been a trend to stop recognizing valedictorians and salutatorians, and instead recognize students by percentiles. I can understand this to some extent, because sometimes the GPA difference between certain students is 0.001. But it’s frustrating when they decide to give the special recognition to EVERYONE in the top 5%. In some schools, that’s as many as 40 students. I was in the top 1% in my school, and I got no recognition. Other students showed similar frustrations.

    This is a bit of an extremist example, but even communist regimes (more specifically, Stalin’s regime) found it necessary to give their high-ranking officers in the military recognition, because without it, they wouldn’t fight as hard.

    But despite this, our society is trying to reverse it. Look at NASA; a recent article I read says that NASA doesn’t want to differentiate between pilots or astronauts or Commanders or anything. They plan on granting everyone going into space the title of “mission specialist.”

    Woah, that must make them feel so special.

    Yeah, something tells me I went waaay off topic. But seriously, I hate how children are being raised nowadays.

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  80. There are a couple of things I agree with David on. I share his love of women with nails/heels/makeup. I really dislike the natural/frumpy trend that has been going on for a long time now. Could somebody explain why far less women have the nails/heels/makeup look than decades past? It seems you have to go to the clubs to find women like that today where at one time they were everywhere. What forces in society led women to go for a more natural non-sexy look?

    I also have an appreciation for David’s refusal to settle. He’s a man who knows what he likes. If all men did the same they would have more power. At the same time, David seems too negative. He’s already made up his mind that no women he finds attractive would feel the same way about him. Even the opportunity came his way he wouldn’t recognize it. I think I would rather hear stories of a man who tries and fails (yet keeps his standards high) than someone who gives up alltogether.

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  81. on July 3, 2009 at 10:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Wow Mandy that was impressive.

    Not hitting on you 🙂

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  82. In the course of this thread David is becoming an alpha. He will implode in an unclean flame of abomination, from the contradiction.

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  83. DA,

    You need some Albigensians and Waldenses of your own to make it to the big time, and you know it. At least imagine how very, very messy and embarrassing Canossa would be for YOUR Church’s heretics. “Barefoot in the snow” to the power of ten.

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  84. Mandy: That’s a frustration that has been really embodied in the British National Health Service as well. Trends and trends, with their frustrating effects on all sectors.

    Completely sympathise with this view.

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  85. In the course of this thread David is becoming an alpha. He will implode in an unclean flame of abomination, from the contradiction.

    David Alexander will always be at war with East Asia.

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  86. the hypersexual women are only for short-term non-emotional use due to their lack of high IQ for breeding.

    You’re black, right? What you say about IQ is truer for black women than for white women. The average slutty black woman probably has an IQ of only 70-85, whereas a slutty white woman is more likely to be in the 90-105 range. I know hypersexual women with IQs of 120+, mostly Jewish but a few whites.

    The reason that sluts aren’t relationship material isn’t their absolute IQ level, but their low social value relative to their peer group. They’re easy fucks because that’s what they have to do to compete with their higher value peers, but they strongly signal their low value by behaving that way.

    Article V -> Truth. No beta may become an alpha. The beta penalty brake application will prohibits this, and any alpha behaviour will induce severe mental illness upon the beta who engages in alpha behaviour.

    Prozac helps with that. When the alpha male is removed from a band of vervet monkeys, and one of the betas is administered Prozac, that beta male always becomes the new alpha. Take some damned Prozac and get over your guilt complex 🙂

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  87. on July 4, 2009 at 12:04 am Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””””””””Grac,
    Prozac helps with that. When the alpha male is removed from a band of vervet monkeys, and one of the betas is administered Prozac, that beta male always becomes the new alpha. Take some damned Prozac and get over your guilt complex ”””””””””

    Maybe suicide has been condoned if you think about it then and I didn’t realize it. Just take pills and you can kill your former self. Interesting.

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  88. good work bhetti.

    remember that when jesus saves, satan pays interest.

    http://www.cp-ministries.com/

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  89. Grac,
    Of course, we have to add the flipside of the coin-White guys w/IQs exceeding a certain number, say, 140 and above, consistently have the most problems with getting laid. True, a dumber broad may not make the best wifey material, but at least she can get some when she want it. Not so for Mr. Potatohead.

    So…why is it that Johnny can’t get laid? Too much IQ can be a killer on your Poon Count.

    Holla back

    O

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  90. Interesting concept…
    __________________
    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/07/stephen-hawking-the-planet-
    “‘At first, evolution proceeded by natural selection, from random mutations. This Darwinian phase, lasted about three and a half billion years, and produced us, beings who developed language, to exchange information. I think it is legitimate to take a broader view, and include externally transmitted information, as well as DNA, in the evolution of the human race,’ Hawking said. In the last ten thousand years the human species has been in what Hawking calls, ‘an external transmission phase,’ where the internal record of information, handed down to succeeding generations in DNA, has not changed significantly. ‘But the external record, in books, and other long lasting forms of storage,’ Hawking says, ‘has grown enormously. Some people would use the term evolution only for the internally transmitted genetic material, and would object to it being applied to information handed down externally. But I think that is too narrow a view. We are more than just our genes.'”

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  91. The tragedy of high IQ “potato heads” is that the only way their situation translates into women-impressing, pussy warming social proof is if somebody acts as an intermediary or avatar.
    You have to be lucky to have that. I mean, if a high status guy tells the room that (X) is the smartest guy he knows, (X)s luck just got better. But mere smartness per se needs the right packaging, ie, the women need someone to tell them which guys are “smart” or nothing worthwhile has happened.

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  92. Or they buy sex…. in which case, they get 8+ each and every time..

    //The tragedy of high IQ “potato heads” is that the only way their situation translates into women-impressing, pussy warming social proof is if somebody acts as an intermediary or avatar.//

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  93. Unfortunately D. Alexander frigs up the term ‘Beta’ and uses it when he should be using ‘Omega’. Or maybe he has a flicker of hope for ‘one day’ when he’ll find that ‘special someone’ so he won’t yet use ‘Omega’. Is there greater anti-joy for some guy hoping to be a ‘decent Beta’ only to see a photo or video of himself whereby he can see himself the way women see him and realise “OMFG! I’m not a uninformed Beta who needs some training – I’m outright goddam Omega!” before yelling a bloodcurling “NOOOOOOOOO!!!” (just like Darth Vader at the end of SW:ROTS). Oh well, ‘misery loves company’, eh, D. Alexander?

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  94. Anybody here ever read Peter Bagge’s ‘Hate’ comics series? DA very much resembles the character of George, a nerdy, cerebral, painfully shy yet haughty young black male shut-in.

    Eventually, George ends up hooking up with an older black sugar mama of sorts who admires his intellect.

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  95. It’s a hoax site! Crap! Should’ve read the comments first before posting. 😦

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  96. What do you base that on Hungry Hippos? Maybe D. Alexander is being optimistic by saying he’s a Beta – he could be an outright O**** male (I think using ‘o’-word gets filtered here). Unless he wants to put a photo of himself in his ‘everyday’ mode on his website then it’s just speculation whether he could be a decent Beta. Though from the way he writes I wouldn’t bet on it.

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  97. on July 4, 2009 at 8:59 am Virginia Gentleman

    Rum:

    You’re bloody well right it’s a tragedy, one I’m quite familiar with. Of course, that situation is exactly why I’m here. I’m lucky in that I’ve got at least two high-status candidates for the pitchman job—the point now is to get the marketing and packaging concepts figured out.

    Happy Independence Day to our American posters.

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  98. Lucifer,
    Actually, according to studies presented by Half Sigma, that’s exactly what happens: White Males of high IQ wind up paying for sex more than other Men accross the IQ spectrum. Now of course, this comes as welcome news to you; so be it. I on the other hand, take a differing view.

    O

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  99. on July 4, 2009 at 10:06 am totalesturns

    Lapin:

    Holy shit, you’re right! “Aren’t you going to hang out with that guy who sent you a copy of his zine?” “Nahhh, he’s a total philistine… I finally got him to admit he’s never read any Philip K. Dick…”

    Anyone interested in good satire of early-90s proto-SWPLs owes it to themselves to check out Peter Bagge.

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  100. You know, didn’t Christianity start out as a community of people who rejected the material aspects of this life, including sex, and gradually spread their community throughout the Roman Empire?

    What if… What if… What if D.A. is the 2nd coming?

    You laugh. If D.A. had the appropriate sociopathic personality traits, he could start a religion for losers. God knows there are plenty of them out there.

    Thank you Bhetti and D.A. for making my day much more fun.

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  101. Of course Bhetti has tipped her hand. She is in love with D.A.

    Maybe in the centuries to come she will be seen as Mary Magdalene.

    Tough that D.A. might have to get crucified for this whole thing to take off, (we could just photoshop it now) but,hey, that’s the breaks. I guess Roissy will have to become Saint Paul. Now, that would stink.

    Well, I have to get work to support all you lazy bones who have this time to blog.

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  102. Gunslingergeri – video games are most certainly NOT getting better… games suck nowadays to how they were in the mid 90’s…

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  103. joel: Dude, my evolutionary instincts are totally skewed now that I apparently love the one provider type who won’t commit. It’s like the worst of both worlds. All of the disadvantages, none of the advantages. All of the passive, none of the cash. All of the aloofness, none of the lovin’. All of the housework, none of the kids. All of the nagging him, none of the DIY. All of the intellect, none of the chat. All of the acceptance of him just as he is, none of the acceptance of me.

    I take masochism to new levels.

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  104. @bhetti

    “I take masochism to new levels.”

    You might have better success however if you give up medicine, get acrylics, do breast augmentation, and get your porn on.

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  105. finefastic: FUN website, that! “A true prophet of Satan will be born of Lesbian Mothers” THE TRUE VIRGIN BIRTH. (Devils 9:76 Book of Munfuckner)

    DA: What glorious rewards are there for following The Way of the Beta according to your ministry, your betaness?

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  106. Any pua’s want to sarge in nyc- I need some help, and a little push. I have hung out with cannon, and we did our best -roissy- on some nyc chicks- it went well.

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  107. aoefe: All that just to get DA temporarily sexually attracted without commitment?! Raw deal.

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  108. ““‘At first, evolution proceeded by natural selection, from random mutations. This Darwinian phase, lasted about three and a half billion years, and produced us, beings who developed language, to exchange information. I think it is legitimate to take a broader view, and include externally transmitted information, as well as DNA, in the evolution of the human race,’ Hawking said. In the last ten thousand years the human species has been in what Hawking calls, ‘an external transmission phase,’ where the internal record of information, handed down to succeeding generations in DNA, has not changed significantly. ‘But the external record, in books, and other long lasting forms of storage,’ Hawking says, ‘has grown enormously. Some people would use the term evolution only for the internally transmitted genetic material, and would object to it being applied to information handed down externally. But I think that is too narrow a view. We are more than just our genes.’””

    This is politically correct bull. Evolution has not and will not stop. Harpending and Cochran have shown that evolution actually sped up over the last 10,000 years. And the races have been separate for much longer than that and those differences are still with us. Even the last 100 years has seen a genetic deterioration

    http://hbdbooks.com/?p=98

    “American psychologist Theodore Lentz was the first to devise a method for finding the relationship between intelligence and fertility. He tested the IQs of children and found out how many siblings they had. Assuming that children have the same IQ as their parents, if those with lower IQs had more brothers and sisters than children with high IQs then it could be determined that dysgenics is happening. In 1927 Lentz calculated an IQ drop of 4 points per generation. Calculations in Britain found a drop of about 2 points per generation. These surveys didn’t include the childless but since they are disproportionately those with higher IQs the studies actually underestimate the extent of dysgenic fertility. Reviewing various studies and using findings from twin and adoption cases showing that IQ is 82% heritable, Lynn calculates a genotypic IQ decline of 5 points in Britain from 1890-1980. In the US he calculates a drop of 2.5 IQ points for whites and 6.2 for blacks over three generations. Interestingly, women are shown to universally have more dysgenic fertility than men. This is partly because low IQ men probably have a harder time finding mates than low IQ women.”

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  109. on July 4, 2009 at 1:15 pm whiskey jr.

    DA has obviously been brainwashed by the WASP Harvard Mafia who empower white women to vote for Obama.

    Don’t be fooled, DA. They’re anti-Semites who want Iran to nuke us for our freedoms!!1111

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  110. Jack,
    If you will kindly go over to the Reader’s Mailbag thread you’ll see my thoughts on the question of HBD & Game fully laidout. After reviewing my remarks, I’d be most interested in reading a more well-informed comment of yours. Looking forward to it.

    O

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  111. aoefe: All that just to get DA temporarily sexually attracted without commitment?! Raw deal.

    Eh, who knows. It could be permanent. Maybe the Arab girl does have magical powers. 🙂

    And no, you don’t have to quit med school. I mean, hell, a pretty Muslim girl with high IQ willing to put up with me is still better than nothing.

    DA: What glorious rewards are there for following The Way of the Beta according to your ministry, your betaness?

    Hours and hours of masturbatory orgasms and the glorious pleasure one can derive from it along with the freedom from women controlling the poor beta males, and no nagging.

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  112. Why not just buy sex then?
    _______________________________________________
    Hours and hours of masturbatory orgasms and the glorious pleasure one can derive from it along with the freedom from women controlling the poor beta males, and no nagging.

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  113. Because if you pay for sex, you get all the sex and dominance over woman part without the “strings” and “bullshit” part.

    ____________________________
    White Males of high IQ wind up paying for sex more than other Men accross the IQ spectrum.

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  114. White Women don’t need to be empowered. Single Women voted 70-29 for Obama over McCain. No surprise there.

    Hell yeah, not-so-secret Muslim Obama wants Iran to nuke Israel off the map. As well as nuke America. He hates America and everything it stands for. The man was raised a Muslim in Indonesia, what do you expect? Look at the man’s mentors: Farrakhan and Wright and Ayers. Obama hopes to be Marshal Petain in Vichy America. He hates Whitey and America.

    Most elites do. They belong to the “planet” and talk of “treason against the planet” and idiot stuff like that. It’s why they (and particularly women) hate Palin with a passion. Because she’s the anti-Obama, patriotic and proud of her identity.

    David A is just a put-on personality. It’s the equivalent of a stand-up routine.

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  115. HBD Books,

    Sadly it is not.. A species like ours will either ‘evolve itself’ into something unrecognisable and beyond human or destroy itself. The status quo cannot hold! Given that genetic evolution is primates is rather slow compared to other mammals, let alone other vertebrates, it is likely that we will evolve ourself through more than genes.
    ____________________________
    This is politically correct bull. Evolution has not and will not stop.

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  116. on July 4, 2009 at 3:11 pm Gunslingergregi

    Whiskey Indonesia is not a hotbed for the americanized label of ‘terrorists”

    Repeat that a couple of times.

    A few years back millions died because of people there that the americans labeled “communists” and then had the cia help with their extermination.

    That is more accurate.

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  117. on July 4, 2009 at 3:13 pm Gunslingergregi

    So as you can see the new terrorist is the old communist.

    So when whats his name said when you label me you negate me he was correct.

    I mean where the communists muslim I don’t think so.

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  118. on July 4, 2009 at 3:14 pm Gunslingergregi

    You might want to lay off indonesia and stick to iran turkey and india.

    Indonesia is ok.

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  119. on July 4, 2009 at 3:25 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””’Whiskey,
    Hell yeah, not-so-secret Muslim Obama wants Iran to nuke Israel off the map. As well as nuke America. He hates America and everything it stands for. The man was raised a Muslim in Indonesia, what do you expect? Look at the man’s mentors: Farrakhan and Wright and Ayers. Obama hopes to be Marshal Petain in Vichy America. He hates Whitey and America. ””””””””””””””

    To further assuage your fears. If the pres hates america it was taught after he got here. Wright and ayers bother in america. Indonesians don’t hate america or white people. They like white people from what I have seen. So please don’t add indonesia to your arsenal it is not the case. Now a lot of blacks in america probably do hate white people. That is probably where his true expression came out if that is what it is.

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  120. on July 4, 2009 at 3:47 pm Willard Libby

    Gunslingergregi – If the pres hates america it was taught after he got here.

    If he does then he learned it from his White mother. She hated White America with a passion.

    That’s why he and his half siblings were born.

    But he’s not as radical as she was. He tried and walked the walk a little when he was younger but now he’s just a generic big government, liberal democrat White guy with some exterior negroid features.

    He’s also not a Muslim. He’s basically an atheist, again he got that from his mother.

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  121. As long as you have the height you have a chance.

    David is 5’8 which ensures that no woman will be naturally enticed by height.

    She has in the past.

    I suspect she’d prefer a more ghetto black guy or somebody like Obsidian over a quiet railfan and geek.

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  122. BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER:
    The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

    Politicians, economists, journalists, and others may have the impression of confusion, disagreement, or discord among climate scientists, but that impression is incorrect.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686

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  123. HUNGRY HUNGRY HIPPOS YO

    Good link.

    The two doyens of that sort of observation are Christina Hoff Summers and Cathy Young (both US), who began writing such things in the late 1990s.

    CHS’s “The War Against Boys” is a classic. Haven’t read; have read long reviews; should read.

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  124. Mandy –

    And one trend I’ve seen, since my childhood, was the “everybody’s equal” tidbit. Whenever I’d get the honor roll, other kids would look at me with jealousy and say,”Everybody’s equal.” Whenever somebody else ran the fastest mile, a small group of fat kids would look at them with envy and say,”Everybody’s equal.”

    Ok, yes, everybody has EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES, but no, not everybody’s equal. He ran a faster mile than you. Suck it up. I got straight A’s. Suck it up. I hate this new trend of,”Let’s not give recognition where it’s due! That way, no one will get jealous!” No. That only discourages students from trying to fulfill their full potential.

    Here, here!! And hear! I COMPLETELY agree with this.

    (And to think the wacked out Lurker was all ragging on you for being a moonbat leftist. – not that that wasn’t obviously absurd before this.)

    But Mandy, don’t neglect the main trust of the message, which is the systematic suppression of the expression and hence development of boys’ masculinity that begins from the earliest school years (if not in the home before). I will add that this is particularly the case for white boys in the US and the UK, since no “special (racial) issues” or concerted push back of a kind that needs to be respected rather than treated as “Reactionary” or “Sexist” present themselves to feminist/leftist school administrators and teachers. Most Asians tend to be treated as honorary whites, at least the sorts of Asians we get in the US.

    Not only does this hurt most boys in their development of traits which are sexually attractive to females, it hurts them in their ability or desire to be motivated or focus and hence do well in class work as well. So too do teaching and exam styles which are forever shifted to discriminate in favor of girls doing well, as some wonderful progressive success, and towards boys doing less well, essentially without limit it seems. It’s appalling. Someone should start a revolution or something. I’m only half kidding Mandy.

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  125. Bhetii—

    Completely sympathise with this view [of Mandy’s].

    I knew there was some reason I kinda like you.

    (But see my last two paragraphs to Mandy.)

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  126. Rum—

    You have to be lucky to have that. I mean, if a high status guy tells the room that (X) is the smartest guy he knows, (X)s luck just got better. But mere smartness per se needs the right packaging, ie, the women need someone to tell them which guys are “smart” or nothing worthwhile has happened.

    High intelligence unaccompanied by high ambition and leadership ability doesn’t tend to turn women on, but when they are combined, it can and does, big time. It’s not until IQ gets over 145 or so (three sigmas up from the white and still almost US mean) that it starts to be a negative, and doesn’t get real negative until over abt. 160, above which people, almost always men up this high, will seem “weird” in most cases.

    The real problem with high IQ nerds, or the great majority of them, is that high IQ is all they have, rather than also a good dose testosterone and social intelligence.

    It continues to make sense that women should be more attracted to leaders of men than followers, creators of new areas to lead in, rather than dull niche settlers, the more successful than the less, and the more artistically or otherwise creative and status gaining than the less so. However, it makes no social including social evolutionary sense for them to continue to be attracted to genuine thugs who are not also revolutionaries (or anyway feel free and unjudged if they do), or those of well below average intelligence without large other talents beyond testosterone. Further, essentially every man of very high IQ (above 145 anyway) should be able to reproduce, almost no matter what else, IQ is so important in the modern world.

    Cultural and social rules SHOULD be reintroduced or reemphasized to strongly discourage the one and encourage the other. Unrestrained and unguided freedom is not the answer; that’s better called license and utter decadence. Religions and ideologies have done things in the past, supported by laws.

    Now you’re going to ask me how do we do these things now, exactly – aren’t you?

    Oh COME ON, do I have to do all the work?

    At least let me keep mulling that over some more.

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  127. David Alexander,

    There is a simple way to avoid paying for bad sex.

    If escort is born in US or North America == bad attitude and everything else. (some exceptions are possible)

    If escort is from outside US == nice reasonable attitude and everything else. (exceptions are possible)

    There are many hobbyist driven bulletin boards to find out about their attitude, service etc. These boards also list scams and escorts that offer poor service. Use well reviewed escort agencies if possible.

    Avoid paying less than 200$/hr but no more than 300$/hr. Service is poor above and below that range.. and quality of pussy is no better.

    The laws in US about escorts are truly bad, but most other western countries are OK. Many upscale areas of S. America are also very OK.

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  128. About this high IQ stuff. It is obvious.

    1. High IQ guys raised in the middle class are going to be heavy into books and nerdish stuff. It starts before puberty. They will grow up lacking social skills. They will not get the necessary experience to cleanse their minds of all the polite lies that delude them.

    2. Unless somebody straightens them out in their teens, they will stay nerdy.

    3. They won’t have a bad boy persona. Too smart for that.

    4. They will have a higher social conscience. Higher intel = higher morality. So, they will be reluctant to play games.

    5. They will have fathers who raise them. Fathers teach their sons to respect women.

    6. They will have higher social visibility. Their high IQ translates, with work, into higher status jobs. It is much harder to skank around when you have a well paid job in a business that needs to maintain its reputation.

    7. They are fussy about their women. Although you think women are fussy and only want alphas, a high IQ guy is not going to find much attractive in a dull women, no matter how “hot”, which for them will include over 60% of the population. Add in the % of women who are just not attractive physically, and add in the large number of fat women, and the pickings are slim. And, the girls they meet will be smart like themselves, so, harder to game perhaps.

    8. They are often excellent husband material. They get married before they have a lot of experience with women. They marry “quality women.” Let’s be more accurate. Their marriages are more rational, from both his and her point of view. In such marriage the wife will be much less tolerant of his picking up women on the side. Since he has assets she can take, and a reputation she can ruin, she has leverage on him. He had to be very careful about his liasons.

    7. He often has a lot of money but not a lot of time. Game takes time, and time can mean a lot of money for some men.

    Buying sex becomes a rational M.O. for such a man.

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  129. Joel,

    I could not have put it better. Many high IQ men do end up with a lot of money and prestige, and spending 200-300 $/hr on a hot 20-something escort who does not talk back to you is far more easier and cleaner than game.

    Incidently using escorts is also cheaper in the long run than any messy alimony and child support BS, especially if you have money.

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  130. doug1 – I think one of the biggest problems we have is unmotivated boys. Girls graduate high school and college with overinflated egos vastly outreaching their worth and boys don’t feel the need to try hard. Possibly that relates to women’s increasing power and boys don’t see that education is as important as it once was.

    As men, we all need to encourage any boys we know – brothers, cousins, etc., to be ambitious and go to college. It’s important, even if not economically, for college not to become solely female. My cousin is not dumb but was unmotivated in school; I believe he got into a local state school. I will tell him in no uncertain terms, that he IS graduating.

    There was a touching scene at the end of the Friday Night lights season finale, where Tim Riggins, a smartass football player, tells his older brother he wants to work with him instead of going to college on a scholarship. His brother sternly tells him – “no one in our family has ever been to college. I don’t care how long it takes, you are GETTING that degree.”

    Obsidian – I saw what you wrote, basically implying that high-IQ white boys can’t really gain much from game. I don’t know if this is true, it certainly wasn’t for Roissy, and as I said there are high-IQ white guys that get lots of tail. It seems like on one hand you want to help the masses get some, yet on the other you claim game is kind of useless.

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  131. 7. They are fussy about their women. Although you think women are fussy and only want alphas, a high IQ guy is not going to find much attractive in a dull women, no matter how “hot”, which for them will include over 60% of the population. Add in the % of women who are just not attractive physically, and add in the large number of fat women, and the pickings are slim. And, the girls they meet will be smart like themselves, so, harder to game perhaps.

    Yep. Indeed.

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  132. on July 4, 2009 at 8:32 pm Gunslingergregi

    Jack,

    http://lemmonex.com/2009/07/two-point-oh/#comments

    The reason why guys must do the neg otherwise they are like 100 other guys there is no difference.

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  133. Gunny — Obama grew up in Indonesia during the aftermath of the Sukarno debacle, where a lot of Indonesians blamed the US for pretty much everything, as they did in fact support the coup by Suharto, as corrupt as they come. This was the post-revolutionary atmosphere that Obama grew up in. As for Indonesia today, it’s often the scene of jihadi violence, from the beheading of Catholic schoolgirls, to Bali bombings.

    Don’t forget Hawaii. Beat on Haole day is a tradition there. Whites the minority and discriminated against.

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  134. on July 4, 2009 at 8:44 pm Gunslingergregi

    Nice looking woman get the kudos your pretty all day long.

    How do you differentiate yourself.

    Unless you get the eye from her then auto fuck close no need to do much.

    But if randomely pulling.

    Or you want to stand yourself out for a moment for later so when she sees you again she has been thinking about you.

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  135. on July 4, 2009 at 8:48 pm Gunslingergregi

    Well Whiskey I haven’t been beheaded yet and I live in the sticks.

    Maybe was subconciously hoping or challenging myself facing demons that sort of thing. Again harder to die than anyone really thinks about.

    A couple of bali bombings and a few chopped heads does not a jihad make.

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  136. @whiskey- i call BS on indonesia. xsplat and gunny will back me up here. it’s as moderate and tolerant an islamic country as you’ll find. a few incidents and radicals, of a population of 100s of millions, does not a saudi arabia make. obama’s childhood was, as i understand it, in an academic/sociology setting, where you’ll always find the most westernized members of a 3rd-world elite.

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  137. boys don’t feel the need to try hard

    Even if you returned marriage to the ancien regime, the problem is that once you’ve had a life of playing video games, using porn, and playing sports, settling down to a life of hard work and responsibility toward an (aging) wife and kids in exchange a large piece of chicken every night and some pity sex makes the return on investment for going to college rather pointless. If you don’t care about what people think about you, then it makes sense to just drop out and work lower paying jobs and live at home or in whatever cheap housing you can find.

    Plus, I suspect shows about office life and listening to stories about grown ups tell about their awful brain dead jobs has basically turned work into unrewarding, underpaid endeavour that isn’t worth trying to achieve via hard work in college.

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  138. on July 4, 2009 at 9:02 pm Gunslingergregi

    Even the “white” dude who wrote the book on the people getting killed and eaten in borneo and was there as the incidents where happening did not get killed there.

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  139. on July 4, 2009 at 9:03 pm Gunslingergregi

    They don’t hate hate hate white people he he he

    They just don’t like it very much when you intentionally move peole onto their particular island to force integrate them. I am not saying they are sissies.

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  140. They will have a higher social conscience. Higher intel = higher morality. So, they will be reluctant to play games.

    Not necessarily. Higher IQ sometimes = amorality or complete disdain for morality, plus belief they can break the rules and get away with it. These are the guys who are perfectly willing to “play games” to hack into a computer system, so they are not “too moral” to play games with women – it’s just they haven’t figured out that this is a system that can be gamed.

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  141. @ Tarl
    I don’t think DA is gay.

    I know, but his view of women (“And she’s not my girlfriend. She’s just somebody that I talk to on the phone, online, and at work, and an infrequent shopping and dining partner. Some other guy handles the icky sex part, and spends money on her buying her gifts and stuff while I pay nothing for her. I get the fun and none of the responsibilities of a boyfriend, while he’s the sucker.”) is functionally equivalent to a gay man’s view of women.

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  142. I know, but his view of women is functionally equivalent to a gay man’s view of women.

    Except, I’m not gay. I’m just smart enough to extract the useful part of women (friendship) while leaving the useless part (sex with an beta) behind.

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  143. Joel, good points, but I quibble with

    7. They are fussy about their women. Although you think women are fussy and only want alphas, a high IQ guy is not going to find much attractive in a dull women, no matter how “hot”, which for them will include over 60% of the population. Add in the % of women who are just not attractive physically, and add in the large number of fat women, and the pickings are slim. And, the girls they meet will be smart like themselves, so, harder to game perhaps.

    Smart guys very often enjoy hot stupid girls. Sexual chemistry is a surprising brew – the mixtures that work are not always the expected formulas.

    And for a smart guy, smarter chicks are way easier to game. You can dazzle them with your wit and they get off on that. Dumb chicks could care less.

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  144. I don’t find friendship with women to be the “useful” part. Generally speaking, women make lousy friends – and that’s even true if you don’t allow them to turn you into the LBJF beta douche type friend who runs around doing all sorts of crappy jobs for them and doesn’t even get any sex out of it.

    You want a friend, that’s what guys are for – or failing that, a dog.

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  145. I have to agree on this one. We have turned a much bigger corner than many realize, in that we cannot go back to the old ways.

    “Even if you returned marriage to the ancien regime, the problem is that once you’ve had a life of playing video games, using porn, and playing sports, settling down to a life of hard work and responsibility toward an (aging) wife and kids in exchange a large piece of chicken every night and some pity sex makes the return on investment for going to college rather pointless.”

    Again, if you do not provide a good motive for people to play the game, they stop playing it!

    “If you don’t care about what people think about you, then it makes sense to just drop out and work lower paying jobs and live at home or in whatever cheap housing you can find.”

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  146. 7. They are fussy about their women. Although you think women are fussy and only want alphas, a high IQ guy is not going to find much attractive in a dull women, no matter how “hot”, which for them will include over 60% of the population. Add in the % of women who are just not attractive physically, and add in the large number of fat women, and the pickings are slim. And, the girls they meet will be smart like themselves, so, harder to game perhaps.

    Maybe they won’t want to marry and reproduce with just anyone, but most smart guys will find attractive anyone with a pulse who will fuck them. Most high IQ guys’ pickiness is really just fear of rejection. They’re so used to getting rejected because of their nerdiness they preemptively reject hot dumb girls first before the girls can reject them. It’s really a defense mechanism.

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  147. Tarl:

    functionally equivalent to a gay man’s view of women

    It works for them because gay men get laid, with other gay men.

    DA:

    I’m just smart enough to extract the useful part of women (friendship) while leaving the useless part (sex with an beta) behind.

    Since we’re being so non-emotive about this, I think men are generally more “useful” as friends, especially for a man.

    What’s the status on IRL male friends? Don’t think you’ve referenced any.

    Doug:

    (But see my last two paragraphs to Mandy.)

    Yes, sir. Noted, sir 😉

    Boys underachieving is one male problem that is seen as one within the UK but the authorities cannot even begin to fathom how to address this.

    maurice: Image that stuck with me of one person visiting Indonesia was seeing scarfed women on motorbikes.

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  148. And for a smart guy, smarter chicks are way easier to game. You can dazzle them with your wit and they get off on that. Dumb chicks could care less.

    Totally agree, smart chicks have more potential conversational “hook points” but for a smart guy to game a hot dumb chick he has to really dumb down his conversation and mindset which isn’t easy. It’s like a really good dancer trying to dance badly on purpose. He’ll find it harder than dancing well. That’s why guuidos are so good at dating hot dumb chicks, because they are dumb enough to share same conversational topics sincerely, like VH1 reality shows.

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  149. Tarl, you just have to find the right woman who can fill that niche. Not every girl that talks to me can be a platonic friendship, and I think any man who goes this route has to be willing to understand that. If you’re a friendly beta looking for some attention and somebody to talk to, it may work out, but if you’re rather macho with alpha tendencies, you’ll feel miserable and constrained. Besides, it doesn’t require the errand running that you’re complaining about. I certainly don’t run errands for Athena or any of my female friends.

    In contrast, as a beta male, sex is rather useless since no woman will ever have sex with me in the way that she will with an alpha. Alpha sex is passionate and orgasmic while beta sex is like watching paint dry.

    You want a friend, that’s what guys are for – or failing that, a dog.

    Dogs don’t talk back, and my male friends are my railfan buddies, cousin, brother, and the low ranking alphas that somehow talk to me…

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  150. I don’t find friendship with women to be the “useful” part. Generally speaking, women make lousy friends – and that’s even true if you don’t allow them to turn you into the LBJF beta douche type friend who runs around doing all sorts of crappy jobs for them and doesn’t even get any sex out of it.

    You want a friend, that’s what guys are for – or failing that, a dog.

    Along the lines of what I was thinking of but women are warm and huggable, which is something beta types need because guy friends cannot deal with the whine AND issuing hugs AND taking them seriously. Basically more non-threatening mummy-type affection and interaction for our Oedipian betas. God, generalising is fun.

    Still would be odd if primary friendship circle was women.

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  151. “Generally speaking, women make lousy friends”

    This is the case. Of all the girls (I’ve met only a few women in my life) I’ve thought I was actual friends with, not a single one has turned out to be a genuine one. In fact, only one guy I know has kept one and I suspect he is a substitute boyfriend when she’s not fucking anyone.

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  152. Why are we rehashing this IQ thing ad nauseum?

    In summary :

    1) Contrary to whiskey’s nonsense, women are NOT turned off by high IQ in and of itself. In fact, every woman wants the genes of their kid to be high IQ, all else being equal.

    2) BUT, many High IQ men have SELF-INFLICTED TRAITS that repel women, and effectively become the opposite of Game. These include esoteric hobbies, a lack of interest in small talk, a lack of interest in the stupid subjects that women talk about (celebrity gossip, etc.). This is the primary reason Asian men do poorly with women, despite their high-paying jobs, etc.

    3) Thus, High-IQ men repel women due to their actions. But these actions can be corrected, of course. This is where whiskey misses the point. He confuses the byproducts of High-IQ with High-IQ itself.

    4) The big key here is that a High-IQ person and an ‘outside the box thinker’ are not quite the same group of people. Many supposedly High-IQ men have no awareness of Game, and dismiss it as a hoax. They still think that looks, money, etc. are the only avenues through which to attract women.

    5) Thus, High-IQ men are not always that ‘smart’, as part of being ‘smart’ is to diagnose a problem, find the solution (Game) with the highest ROI, and implement the solution (learn Game). A High=IQ person who does not figure out the value of Game, and the need to purge their personal traits that repel women, is not all that smart at the end of the day.

    That is all. Any questions?

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  153. @DA

    “while leaving the useless part (sex with an beta) behind”

    Did you almost call yourself an alpha? Is the real you alpha David?

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  154. Good job Tood.

    I’d just add, High IQ plus ambition and success still is better than high IQ without ambition and success, as all that leads to is becoming a magnet for women hunting a beta provider. He’ll get women, but he won’t necessarily get women moist. That’s still better than no woman at all though.

    A high IQ man with game though is even better than a low IQ man without game, as he can take the game even farther. Especially if he is good at conversing with dumb girls. In fact, I think more PUAs should focus on dumb girl game.

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  155. Let me also say that despite the self-inflicted problems that High-IQ men face with women, if the High-IQ man is also good looking, he will qualify as a sperm donor.

    Sperm banks want the highest possible IQ. They don’t cut off the ceiling at 145 or whatever.

    So such a man, even if he cannot acquire steady female company, is still more successful in pure genetic propagation, than almost any other Western men.

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  156. on July 4, 2009 at 10:40 pm Willard Libby

    Tood – Why are we rehashing this IQ thing ad nauseum?

    In summary :

    1) Contrary to whiskey’s nonsense…

    whiskey tends to go way overboard even while making interesting observations.

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  157. “Joel,

    I could not have put it better. Many high IQ men do end up with a lot of money and prestige, and spending 200-300 $/hr on a hot 20-something escort who does not talk back to you is far more easier and cleaner than game.

    Incidently using escorts is also cheaper in the long run than any messy alimony and child support BS, especially if you have money.”

    Really That’s all they charge, $200-$300 an hour? I’d expect you’d frequent the ones in the $400-$500 range.
    Aiming low or are you frugal?

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  158. Good idea.

    Maybe high IQ men need to read up on things that low IQ girls like, like celebrities and reality TV. Now, that would be a useful discussion!

    Would subscribing to People Magazine, and reading it, be helpful?

    What books to know about?

    A high IQ guy could absorb that info quickly, and be ready to cope no matter low silly the conversation got.

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  159. “Maybe high IQ men need to read up on things that low IQ girls like, like celebrities and reality TV. Now, that would be a useful discussion!”

    Don’t always underestimate the low IQ woman. They might be stupid but they ain’t always dumb.

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  160. “About this high IQ stuff. It is obvious.” – joel.

    No way! Why pesume high-I.Q. automatically equals ‘nerd’? Why shouldn’t someone who has a high-I.Q. automatically lose out on looks and physique? You & others seem to make a false dichotomy between Alphaness and O****ness. “If you’re not a manly Alpha spreading your seed amongst every decent fertile female within 100 miles then you’re a dweebish O**** living with his parents, jacking off to Internet porn and trying to become a five-star General in Halo 3 online. It’s akin to saying “if you’re not at least a multi-millionaire then you’re a bum on the streets. That is to say, in both cases you’re ignoring at least 80% of the population because you’re focused on the 10% on either end.

    Anyone falling into your points 1-3 are O**** males. They don’t socialise because it doesn’t work for them. A decent person could walk up to a group and say “hey how’s it going” and they’ll reply “quite good, how about you”. A O**** who tries the same will get a reply of “go away dweeb, we don’t associate with losers like youi”. Points 4-9 are non-sequitors as those with good-I.Q.s, business skills and social skills to work with others are most likely to be good-quality Betas who will marry semi-early with a lifelong spouse, have children semi-early and have a down-to-earth normal life and the children will grow up normal.

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  161. ““If you’re not a manly Alpha spreading your seed amongst every decent fertile female within 100 miles then you’re a dweebish O**** living with his parents, jacking off to Internet porn and trying to become a five-star General in Halo 3 online”

    Project much, Gil? Bwahahahahaha

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  162. Re: Bhetti

    You’re generalisations are pretty much correct. Female friends offer warmth and periodic hugs, and somebody you can touch without feeling gay. There’s a bit more leeway to whine with female friends, but as I learned with Wellesley Queen and other women, it can drive them away too.

    What’s the status on IRL male friends? Don’t think you’ve referenced any.

    There’s my brother who basically keeps me entertained at home, my railfan buddies that I discuss trains, planning, and politics with, and my cousin that visits and I periodically talk to, and my lesser alpha former classmates that I refuse to meet in the real world.

    Did you almost call yourself an alpha? Is the real you alpha David?

    Somehow, I suspect you’re secretly craving a young alpha black man to cater to dominate your submissive side. Sadly, you’re not going to find that here or in your quaint little Canadian locale, but if you pay for airfare, Obsidian can fill that role for you.

    He’ll get women, but he won’t necessarily get women moist. That’s still better than no woman at all though.

    I fail to see the difference.

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  163. Joel

    Would subscribing to People Magazine, and reading it, be helpful?

    What books to know about?

    A high IQ guy could absorb that info quickly, and be ready to cope no matter low silly the conversation got.

    Talking with dumb chicks is similar to talking with kids. You don’t exactly have to dumb down the conversation, and you certainly don’t have to choose topics that bore you. Instead you make inside jokes that she is unlikely to get, for your own entertainment. Consider the best childrens cartoons – they are understandable by the kiddies, but have themes and jokes that interest adults.

    You can still use your wit with dumb girls, but the focus tends to be more body and emotion centric, as that’s mostly where your chemistry will lie. You can still make them laugh and enjoy your own jokes – even if they won’t get the full nuances of your insights.

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  164. Gil

    Why pesume high-I.Q. automatically equals ‘nerd’?

    People have a tendency to make mental maps to help them navigate the world, and then to overlay those simple maps onto everything, even when direct observation is available.

    That’s the basis of predjudice – pre-judging based on expectations.

    We need mental maps. The laziness arises from an aversion to cognitive dissonance that arises when the real nuanced world requires us to adjust our mental models.

    Most people solidify their mental maps by age 5. Jeesus loves me, yes I know, cause my Mommy told me so. It’s emotionally impossible for them to alter their core beliefs.

    Whiskey is like a true believer, in his preference for his clumsy model, over constant refinement of maps based on real life feedback.

    Nuance.

    In social systems, there are always competing strategies. You can’t have a society without sociopaths, or with only sociopaths. All niche markets will be filled. This means that Alphas can never be exclusively advantaged.

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  165. “Maybe high IQ men need to read up on things that low IQ girls like, like celebrities and reality TV.”

    Wrong answer. Low IQ hotties are simply awesome for a high IQ guy. Just always have them try to earn your approval. They never ask themselves, “Um, exactly why am I trying to earn THIS guy’s approval?”

    Fun night out:

    1. Go to bikini contest or some other such flesh contest.

    2. Pick out girl who didn’t win.

    3. Open with “Hey X place you finished in is pretty good. Those first X-1 girls were really hot.”

    4. If she says, “Aren’t I hot, too?” then you are off to the races.

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  166. @xsplat

    “You can still make them laugh and enjoy your own jokes – even if they won’t get the full nuances of your insights.”

    Whaaat? No comprende. 😉

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  167. Also, a High IQ man who is learning Game can use his IQ to neg a woman, PROVIDED HE KNOWS HOW TO NEG PROPERLY.

    Making a chick feel insecure about whether she is smart enough can be a powerful form of neg, and demonstrating higher value. BUT, the man has to steer clear of nerd teritory.

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  168. totalesturns: “Anyone interested in good satire of early-90s proto-SWPLs owes it to themselves to check out Peter Bagge.”

    I think Roissyans would find plenty of material to analyze in the sexual dynamics portrayed in the ‘Hate’ series: the sleazy, unlikable Stinky, who lives in a closet, constantly getting laid with trendy girls because of his shameless forwardness and trendy posing; the anti-social, semi-alcoholic Buddy hooking up with several attractive females due to his “I don’t give a shit” caveman qualities; the two main female characters, Valerie and Lisa, the former a prima donna well-educated feminist who is also a nympho and the latter a manipulative psycho low self-esteem chick, are also portrayed in all their foibles with pinpoint accuracy by Bagge.

    Here is a page out of the issue devoted to DA’s alter ego, George Cecil Hamilton III: “The main thing people want to know is, ‘What’s he doing in his room all day, besides beating off?'” http://www.comicartcollective.com/detail.cfm?page=6F24648C-5B2F-4107-B0F87E3794B65116

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  169. Nope. 😐

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  170. @Tood

    ” PROVIDED HE KNOWS HOW TO NEG PROPERLY”

    I’m attracted to smart men, and the type of neg which will totally work for me is a teasing tone insulting my intelligence. To me a fast wit is a sign of intelligence, if they happen to use it against me in teasing ways – ya I’m a gonner.

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  171. I’m attracted to smart men, and the type of neg which will totally work for me is a teasing tone insulting my intelligence.

    Bingo.

    You’re just too cute when you use big words 🙂

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  172. I love hot dumb women, that was basically all I hooked up with in college (they didn’t go to my college, they went to shittier ones). I don’t mean dumb as in 85 IQ, I mean dumb like 110 IQ. Girls that are average or even a little smarter than average, but non-intellectual and a little intimidated by a smart guy.

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  173. aoefe

    I’m attracted to smart men, and the type of neg which will totally work for me is a teasing tone insulting my intelligence. To me a fast wit is a sign of intelligence, if they happen to use it against me in teasing ways – ya I’m a gonner.

    What if they simply have no interest in your brain, or lack thereof? I’ve lived for a while, yet I’ve met precious few women who’ve had anything novel to say. The ones who did were seriously weird.

    I’ve had female professors who were idiots, and they’d get pissed off if some smartass guy opened his mouth and let them know it. One female professor of mine tried to claim that the “Pieds Noirs” were black African liberation fighters. After I corrected her, she gave me a D — naturally.

    At this point in my life, I just don’t even bother talking to women about their intellectual pursuits, and if they bring them up I simply tune out and think about classical music, baseball, or whatever. It’s kind of like listening to a dog bark at a frisbee: you just pick it up, throw it in the bushes, and go back to your book. The dog’s sure to come back with a wagging tail for another round, after all.

    Jack

    I love hot dumb women, that was basically all I hooked up with in college (they didn’t go to my college, they went to shittier ones). I don’t mean dumb as in 85 IQ, I mean dumb like 110 IQ. Girls that are average or even a little smarter than average, but non-intellectual and a little intimidated by a smart guy.

    Have fun, but don’t marry them: what they lack in mental power they will make up for in tears and lies, and you WILL lose in court, guaranteed. If you are smart, you will only lose worse. My ex rummaged through my files and found some old IQ tests I’d taken as a teen, using them against me in court to try to jack up my CS obligations (no shit).

    BTW, the 85 IQ ones are easier to ditch without consequences, and they feel privileged to be in your presence (they don’t have any fantasies that they can compete with you). However, for middle-high range IQ guys it may actually be fulfilling to be with an “intelligent” woman. This must be why women like doctors and lawyers so much (average IQ 120 or so). High end engineers and the like are simply beyond the capacity of even intelligent women, and probably should simply stop trying to find a soul mate. Just get yourself a milk cow with a good marriage contract, and if she gets “unhappy” let her go graze some different pastures and pick up another heifer for yourself.

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  174. Welmer

    At this point in my life, I just don’t even bother talking to women about thei

    I also gave that up years ago. Two women I did have fun and deep and engaging conversations with, but I had to pussyfoot around any subject, as women take disagreement as disapproval.

    Women are for romantic interest. Conversations with them are for occasional amusement. I try to keep them from talking too much. That can be a struggle.

    Women seem to want constant affirmation and reaffirmation, and for me that means the dog is always nagging me with that inane frisbe. When a girl has nothing to say, why can’t she just not say anything? If I’m reading, or watching TV, or otherwise engaged, why must she feel the need to re-affirm our bonds, with pesky little “I love you”s.

    They talk too much and I often pinch their lips shut. Needy little critters, when it comes to speech – but they rarely say anything.

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  175. Maurice are you kidding me? The worst of the lot are always the most educated, and Westernized. To wit: HAMBALI, head of Jemayah Islamiyah, or the pediatrician, Ayman Al Zawahari, Osama’s #2, or the guy who went to the London School of Economics and sawed off the head of Daniel Pearl. Heck, Indonesia is so Islamist that the mastermind of the Bali Bombings got only six months IRRC. Moreover, the native Syncretic Islam has been rapidly replaced by the Sunni Wahabbist version, as has happened in the US. Because the Saudis fund them. Massively. Where do you think that oil money goes?

    Obama was raised in the pseudo Marxist imprint of his mother, step-father (who was a Sukarno supporter) and the academics around them, think the debased “Volk Marxism” of Berkeley in the Tropics. Or Obama’s father for that matter. [Highly westernized and prosperous Saudi Arabia is a Jihad factory, impoverished and largely un-westernized, Mali, isolated by poverty, has produced no Jihadis that I know of. It takes money to go on Jihad, and Malians struggle to survive and have no beef with Westerners. They don’t even have internet or satellite TV in most places.]
    —————————
    As for IQ, Gene Expression has your research roundup. Note: Men with IQs of 140 had testosterone levels equal to that of men with 70 IQS, testosterone seems to find a sweet spot around 100 or so. Virgins at Graduation are concentrated in Math and Physics IIRC and there wee a goodly number of them, Art Majors had no virgins.* [*follow the links in the Gene Expression post for the other studies]

    Dumb women seem to place the highest value on body, build, and aggression in that order. Making Game more irrelevant than smart girls. Who fall heavily for Game. You either have the body to win a dumb girl or you don’t. A smart girl, she wants the body, including height, physique, aggressiveness/posture, cockiness, but will look at other things as well. Game in some sense cannot work on dumb girls, it’s irrelevant, while highly relevant to intelligent women.

    Joe — It’s often a question of being bored. After you’ve had sex, and the talk turns to inane, stupid subjects like women’s fashion, or office gossip, who cares? You’ll want to gnaw your arm off just to escape.

    Tood — High IQ men are lower in testosterone. They have to be, high levels of it and IQ are mutually incompatible, given limited resources of the human body. A high testosterone man is likely to engage in “roid rage type” of fights with a rival, which women find deeply attractive. A high IQ man is likely to quietly kill such a rival with a weapon, preferably at a distance, without much emotion, which women find terrifying (little ability to manipulate the man, huge danger of retaliation for cheating). That’s if the guy is into humans and not abstract systems as most High IQ men are.

    High IQ men are faced with a huge problem — their lack of success is tied to themselves. To be successful with MOST women requires more testosterone, a risky move even under medical supervision. Or skills that most High IQ men don’t have. Neither Einstein, nor Newton, nor Darwin, were known as smooth movers. Their expertise was systems, in the abstract, not people.

    You’re immature, asking engineers to be salesmen. A few can, most cannot. Thus we will simply breed out all Engineers and end up only with salesmen. Salesmen, btw, make lousy engineers.

    Joe, provably false. Bill Gates vs. Arnold? Arnold hands down got more interest from all sorts of women in the early 1990’s, when Gates was a joke despite all his money and power, far more than Arnold’s at the time or now. Gates, for all his ruthlessness and business brilliance, was a poor candle next to Arnold’s sun with women, because Gates was a nerdy, low T/High IQ engineer, and Arnold the High T/Medium IQ born salesmen.

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  176. on July 5, 2009 at 5:14 am Gunslingergregi

    one of dudes got shot from what i recall there whiskey.

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  177. Fast, verbal wit is not always a sign of high IQ. Leave it to a woman to know nothing at all of men. Newton, Einstein, Darwin, the Wrights, and Philo T Farnsworth (inventor or Television) were all shy, quiet, not very verbal to tongue tied.

    PT Barnum was a highly verbal. A great con-man and showman. But not exactly the guy I’d want designing an airplane. Women consistently overestimate the importance of verbal acuity because they are generally good at it. And talk all the time.

    Most men talk far fewer than women do, in both words per minute and words per day. Too lazy to google the study. But I recall it.

    Please Tood. Newton and Darwin were both smarter than you, me, and everyone on this board. They couldn’t neg if their lives depended on it. Einstein neither. Very few men can be like Jefferson, who could write Latin in one hand and Greek in another, play the violin well, and quote from memory impressively the classical curriculum. Or charm everyone like Benjamin Franklin, shameless self-promoter. Most were like Washington, dour, single minded (Washington was rejected by the love of his life as a young, tall officer), or perhaps like John Adams, upright, somewhat priggish, and dutiful.

    Game depends on a very specific set of abilities: ability to observe and modify social actions to responses, and non-verbal cues, ability to think rapidly about best tactics (what to say or do) and strategy (game-scenario playing to achieve maximum best results within social constraints). Most guys cannot be Richard Feynman. They are more like say, Charles Babbage.

    If you are unable to pick up on non-verbal cues and observe people closely, but can model new non-corrosive metallic alloys atomic structure in your head, are you “stupid” or “smart?” Moreover, what’s the most desireable social outcome?

    A people’s whose men are good at impressing women, but cannot create any technology, or men not very good at impressing women, but creating world-beating technology (and always making something new, ever -faster). You can only choose one — life is always a series of constraints.

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  178. on July 5, 2009 at 5:22 am Gunslingergregi

    Whiskey are you saying the us is terrorist country because we have had some bombings on our soil. Like maybe the same amount as indo.

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  179. whiskey,

    First of all, your posts are too long, and most people won’t bother to read them in their entirety.

    Secondly, you are simply wrong about IQ. No one else here really agrees with you – that should be a clue.

    I have explained the reality of IQ, and what a high-IQ man can do to correct his negatives and create positives.

    Top politicians and business people have very high IQs. They get laid, and got laid even more they reached the apex of their success. Why? Because they didn’t fall into the traps that high-IQ men create for themselves, which can be corrected and reversed.

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  180. on July 5, 2009 at 6:23 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Tood

    Top politicians and business people have very high IQs. They get laid, and got laid even more they reached the apex of their success. Why? Because they didn’t fall into the traps that high-IQ men create for themselves, which can be corrected and reversed.

    You have the rudiments of a good point, but you and Whiskey are shouting on completely different planes here. You’re not talking about the same people.

    First, the claim about top politicians. Do they have high IQ’s? Yes. Do they have genius level IQ’s? Almost never.
    There have been a few genius-level top politicians throughout history, and a few genius-level top businessmen (see “Third”), but most have come from the just-below-genius-level stratum, pointed out by Doug above as the optimal IQ level.

    Second, even if we let you speciously equate top politicians with super high IQ werds, it’s still stupid to use top politicians as a representative group. Almost all of them are tall (you have to go back to McKinley in 1896 to find a President under 5’9″, and only Carter and Truman were under 5’11” in that timeframe), above average looking, and clearly not burdened with excessively introverted personality traits.

    Third, when you talk about top businessmen having super high IQ’s, you are almost certainly thinking of Jobs, Gates, Ballmer, Allen, and the like.
    The problem here is that you’re reversing the arrow of causation by assuming that these men’s stratospheric IQ caused their success in business. The real truth is closer to the other way around:
    1 * A technological revolution was in the works.
    2 * Super high nerd IQ was NECESSARY to the core nature of this particular technological revolution.
    3 * Gates et al. were in the right place at the right time.
    In other words, the IQ of Gates et al. was not at all the vector of their business success. Instead, their IQ merely placed them in competition with all the other computer nerds – many of whose IQ’s were, no doubt, superior to those of Gates, Allen, and all the other eventual zillionaires – and then OTHER traits led to these particular men’s success.

    Finally, by shifting the argument to “the traps that high-IQ men create for themselves” (your words), you’re completely ignoring, or even outright disavowing, the traps that are NOT self-created.
    * The lower levels of testosterone that predominate among these guys. (Aren’t you some type of Silicon Valley engineer? If so, look around sometime.)
    * The difficulty that super high IQ men have in finding common ground with women.
    * Inborn traits of introversion.

    It’s clearly not the case that these guys can just learn to “neg properly” and BOOM pussy will be open for them like 7-Eleven.

    Two questions for you, Tood, since you often seem bent on addressing questions directly to others (especially in boldface type to female commenters):

    1. How much DIRECT experience do you have with women and game? Your writing has the distinct smell of “textbook learning”, especially when you state generalized “facts” that are just as dogmatic as Whiskey’s.

    2. What makes you confident enough to openly declare that “most people” won’t read Whiskey’s posts in their entirety (but, presumably, will read yours)?

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  181. on July 5, 2009 at 6:34 am Gunslingergregi

    me I usually am looking for cyber but your different
    her yeah you thought right
    me what makes you different

    how is that for neg lol

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  182. on July 5, 2009 at 6:47 am Gunslingergregi

    God thank you that I do not have to deal with bitchy fucked up woman on a daily basis. Good God

    Burn the states down it is not worth anything. he he he

    by the way yea if a bitch is crazy might want to let it go lol

    first insane one I have met. I think live game better than online game.

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  183. on July 5, 2009 at 6:50 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    Whiskey

    Fast, verbal wit is not always a sign of high IQ. Leave it to a woman to know nothing at all of men. Newton, Einstein, Darwin, the Wrights, and Philo T Farnsworth (inventor or Television) were all shy, quiet, not very verbal to tongue tied.

    I’m going to agree with you that “verbal wit” is but one glinting corner of the iceberg of g.
    But, I’ve interacted with lots and lots and lots and lots of people – many in situations in which I’ve had ample time and opportunity to deduce their general level of intelligence (not difficult at all to do) – and I’ve noticed an ALMOST EXACT correlation between rapid responses (especially rapid understanding/repartee of jokes, and/or rapid reciprocation of VERBAL innuendo**) and general intelligence. The correlation has been so strong it’s scary. As in, show me how long it takes someone to “get” a joke, or for someone’s face to change in response to an unexpected or ironic statement, and I can pretty much tell exactly how smart they are.
    Exceptions allowed for people who are sleepy, stoned, or smashed drunk.

    Also, more to the point, consider the sample you’re citing: a sample of top scientists and inventors.
    This is not a fair sample of “super high IQ”, because these people aren’t just random high-IQ people. They’re people who have ALL THREE of the following (where #2 and #3 are related):
    1 * Super high IQ
    2 * Almost pathological introversion
    3 * Lack of attractive / seductive qualities, including good looks, political/social connections, being born into high society, and the like
    Wilbur Wright is an especially interesting case study here, because he DEVELOPED quality #2 (and possibly somewhat of quality #3) as a direct result of facial injuries, and, non-coincidentally enough, became especially interested in research and invention only afterwards.

    Surely there have been legions of extroverted / attractive / connected / socially adept people throughout history who have been just as smart as those guys, if not smarter.
    But guess what?
    Those guys weren’t doing tireless scientific research or inventing stuff. Instead, because they were extroverted / attractive / connected / socially adept, they were out there socializing, getting laid, and living relatively (gasp!) normal lives.

    I’m a case in point here. My IQ isn’t up there with Da Vinci’s, but it’s well off the 160+ cliff. Still, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY I could ever achieve what these inventors/scientists did.
    Why?
    I’m restless. Extroverted. Glib. Interested in people, even people who aren’t terribly interesting. Paragon of ADHD. Good looking enough that my job is mostly to close, not to open.
    No one with such options will shun the social options in favor of the solitary ones, unless his socialization has hurt him so deeply that he is scarred for life.

    PT Barnum was a highly verbal. A great con-man and showman. But not exactly the guy I’d want designing an airplane. Women consistently overestimate the importance of verbal acuity because they are generally good at it. And talk all the time.

    You’re hitting the right nail with the wrong hammer.

    Barnum was probably a genius.

    However, he was blessed with social aptitude.

    If you gave him a debilitating stutter or a Brian Peppers face, or placed him in a monastery, he might be able to design a better airplane than you’d at first think.

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  184. on July 5, 2009 at 6:52 am Gunslingergregi

    That may not be a neg you want to use he he he

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  185. on July 5, 2009 at 7:00 am Gunslingergregi

    Although it worked to continue talking normal. But when she said i do not choose you or whatever after I treated her like a special snowflake. That is when I said ok no problem. Please block me so I don’t accidently talk to you again. That is when she got mad lol

    he he he

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  186. on July 5, 2009 at 7:00 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    ** from my last post:

    This doesn’t apply at all to people’s reactions to nonverbal cues. That is almost completely independent of intelligence.

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  187. on July 5, 2009 at 7:09 am Epoxytocin No. 87

    More whiskey

    If you are unable to pick up on non-verbal cues and observe people closely, but can model new non-corrosive metallic alloys atomic structure in your head, are you “stupid” or “smart?”

    I really, really, really don’t think there are many people AT ALL who are “unable to pick up on non-verbal cues and observe people closely”.
    Instead, there are 3 problems conspiring to create the surfeit of seemingly Aspergery people:

    1, this stuff takes PRACTICE – practice that lots of really high IQ guys just don’t get, especially with women. Especially in today’s environment, in which they’re simply discouraged, from all sides, from even trying.

    2, high IQ people are often hampered by ideology. Most high IQ nerd types are raised in SWPL lib environments, in which the very idea of “game”, especially bad-boy game, requires the complete un-learning of EVERYTHING these guys have been taught.

    3, we live in Specialized Super-Micro-Niche Internet World, in which these guys can live like DA, passing every day and night with porn, World Of Starcraft, and whatever else.
    Even in my childhood (born in the 70s), which wasn’t terribly long ago, we simply didn’t have those options. ALL of us were forced to socialize, at least to some extent, whether the nerdy kids liked it or not. This made 7th grade absolute hell for some nerdy kids, but it’s WAY WAY better to have your personal hell in 7th grade than in adulthood.

    If you take away #2 and #3, and throw these guys into the fire often enough to neutralize #1, I’d bet my bottom dollar that almost ALL of these “unable to pick up on non-verbal cues and observe people closely” guys would learn to do just those things.

    This is really a redux of the “old-school society made most guys Alpha Up” theme from venerable poster PA. While PA gives the reasons that old-school upbringing fomented alpha traits, I’m giving you more reasons why the modern state of affairs basically aborts those traits at conception.

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  188. A bit off topic, but, this forum seems suitable. McNair (36) was murdered with his young (20) girlfriend. He was shot multiple times sitting in a chair, she shot once, with the gun found next to her.

    Then, there is this:

    The bodies were found just two days after Kazemi was pulled over in a Cadillac Escalade, registered to her and McNair, and charged with a DUI, Aaron said. McNair was in the vehicle at the time.

    Going by the Frenchman’s observation, my theory is that this fool could start an affair, but didn’t have the skill to end it. She wasn’t pretty enough to keep, IMHO.

    Any other knee jerk theories?

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  189. And, if my knee jerk theory is correct, McNair is the perfect example of a man, an apparent alpha, who would have been better off using high priced hookers. Or, just keeping a mistresses discretely.

    Further speculating on this tragedy, his fate raises the question of why Roissy is still among the living. I suspect McNair was not a real player like Roissy. Again, the girl was not that attractive and he registered a car in her name. He may have given her the hope of a LTR, say like O.J. and Nicole Brown. (Girls are dumb. Their only morality is what makes whatever tingle. Sue me.)

    I doubt Roissy would make the mistakes McNair seems to have made.

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  190. Epoxytocin,
    You hit a Grand Slam brother! And goes to what I’ve been trying to get a real conversation started on: the realworld social implicatons of Game and HBD, namely, turning the focus on the right end of the bell curve. High IQ White and Asian Males.

    I submit that if indeed HBD is real, and that if Game is also real, then it presents a real problem for the kinds of Men that Whiskey sheds tears for-because, at the end of the day, they simply do not, nor cannot, develop the skills needed to attract, much less keep, Women romatically and sexually interested in our time. Yes, Whiskey is right-a half century ago, James Watson could get a wife, in large part because it was a different world then. Not so today-in today’s world, no matter what any of us thinks about it, the Four Sirens are real. And from what I can see, we ain’t goin’ back, and not entirely for the reasons you might think. Sure, Women and Alphas benefit-but there’s another reason. Because White Men simply cannot bring themselves to re-impose a Taliban style regime to kill off the Alphas and force Women back into the kitchen barefoot and pregnant. It is my view that Whites, particularly those of more Anglo stock, may indeed be genetically incapable of Taliban or Congo-like acts to force a return to the Good Ole Days. Heck, I doubt if we could implement a kind of political rape that Arpie talks about, along the lines of present day SAFR. Simply put, White guys on the whole, aint built like that.

    See, the HBD ramifications of Game, is real. And if we’re gonna take up HBD, we gotta talk all its downsides.

    And being a high IQ White or Asian Male, definitely has its downsides.

    O

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  191. Joel,
    W/all due respect, I think you may be overlooking the obvious.

    One major reason why Roissy hasn’t met the same or similar fate, or circumstances, as McNair, is because Roissy, from all that we can tell, doesn’t move in the same circles where violence is a dinstinct possibility. And its not just w/McNair either.

    I can go to any number of bars, clubs and even lounges in the hood where the chances of a fist or firefight breaking out are far and away higher than the most raucous White dive bar on Roissy’s list of haunts. For whatever reason, it is what it is.

    O

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  192. “because, at the end of the day, they simply do not, nor cannot, develop the skills needed to attract, much less keep, Women romatically and sexually interested in our time. Yes, Whiskey is right-a half century ago, James Watson could get a wife, in large part because it was a different world then. Not so today-in today’s world, no matter what any of us thinks about it, the Four Sirens are real. And from what I can see, we ain’t goin’ back, and not entirely for the reasons you might think.”

    @Obsidian —

    This may very well be correct.

    The trouble is that, if it is, the very men who are the ones that society needs to be motivated to be engaged and productive will be the ones who are not so — and at the very least progress will slow down a lot, of not stop, and social decline will be inevitable.

    So it’s not so much an issue only for these white guys with no game. If you’re right that these are the guys at the right end of the bell curve, and our society systematically excludes them from what we know to be the main factor motivating male ambition and productivity (monogamy with a woman who bears them children), it’s a big problem for everyone else — not just these white/asian dorky guys themselves.

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  193. @Whiskey

    “Fast, verbal wit is not always a sign of high IQ. Leave it to a woman to know nothing at all of men.”

    Did you read my statement too fast? I said “To me a fast wit is a sign of intelligence,” I did not say it was a sign of HIGH IQ. Leave it to a man to ignore what a woman is saying. 😉

    @Welmer

    “What if they simply have no interest in your brain, or lack thereof? I’ve lived for a while, yet I’ve met precious few women who’ve had anything novel to say. ”

    In the ltr’s I witness, most of the men don’t have large circles of friends like the women do, I’d always assumed the men are satisfied with what they have at home (including family/wife) and have no need for outside relationships. Having a relatively low need for outside relationships I thought that meant they were getting their social needs met in the home. Social interaction would include interesting debate/thoughful discussion/passionate discourse etc. Not the case?

    @Epoxy
    “I’m going to agree with you that “verbal wit” is but one glinting corner of the iceberg of g.”

    I agree.

    @Epoxy
    “and I’ve noticed an ALMOST EXACT correlation between rapid responses (especially rapid understanding/repartee of jokes, and/or rapid reciprocation of VERBAL innuendo**) and general intelligence.”

    I have noticed the EXACT same thing.

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  194. O,

    McNair was dating a white girl whom he met when she was waiting tables. The shooting took place in an upscale neighborhood. This isn’t some ghetto killing because McNair looked at some guy the wrong way in a crappy bar.

    I think his fate really has relevance to the kind of behavior Roissy engages in. I think the fatal mistake was allowing her to think there was some long term future for her with him.

    But, this is speculation at this point.

    But, the question is still there. How does Roissy avoid becoming the target of retribution from the women he pumps and dumps?

    Those girls can get vindictive.

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  195. mcnair’s mistress (did his wife condone his cheating?) was iranian. if it’s true that the most jealous people and their descendents are found in the mediterranean/levantine belt where polygamy, burquas and natural cassanovas are common, then it is possible that jilted lovers of middle eastern extract are more likely than lovers of other ethnicities to go apeshit with a gun when they get pumped and dumped.

    moral of the story: don’t string along persian, arab, or italian chicks.

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  196. moral of the story: don’t string along persian, arab, or italian chicks.

    Or Greek women… 🙂

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  197. Epoxy 87 wrote :

    since you often seem bent on addressing questions directly to others (especially in boldface type to female commenters):

    What? When did I do that? Examples? If you are going to erect strawmen, at least make some attempt at the fringes of reality.

    Now, to answer your questions :

    1. At lot. I have written here at length about that, and am part of the small minority here that actually discusses the real-world mechanics of Game.

    You might as well suggest Roissy is also an armchair guru, as per your logic.

    2. Surely you jest. Quite a few people here share that assessment about whiskey. No one has condemned me to nearly that degree.

    Any more questions? I thought not.

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  198. @tood- good points, i’ll defend you on that.

    @epoxy- awesome posts. wish you had time to write that stuff more often.

    @whiskey- re indonesia/islam: wrong on almost all of it. a few examples do not support those generalizations. that’s always the flaw with your arguments – you cite a few true facts, ignore reams of contradictory evidence, and connect the dots to support your theories.

    @all re high IQ and game- all the points are pretty good. something i thought should have been added (now that the thread is pretty much over…):

    IQ is only one measure of mental prowess. don’t forget it is a pretty narrow and crude tool – measuring only one kind of intelligence – mainly math and book-related. think of all the kinds of ability – mechanical, musical, literary, etc. – that don’t show up on IQ tests. that many high-IQ people would fail misreably at.

    there’s also emotional “intelligence” (= empathy), even harder to measure in any meaningful way, social awareness, personal histories, etc. i’ve always though gender roles and relationships laid down in childhood (father/mother as reflexive role models, relations with siblings, birth order, etc.) are very important to how people see the world, including sex roles, as adults.

    so obs’s question that teed this off is very intersting, but hard to answer in the abstract. high-T may be a better measure for game issues than high-IQ, because it’s a better, narrower measure of interest in sex. a lot of geeks just don’t care that much. but all the points above on self-defeating behaviors by high-IQ guys are correct and part of the answer.

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  199. also, forgot: @welmer, xsplat- the bit about women’s conversation being necessarily empty-headed is harsh and mainly wrong. women do need to talk more than men, but you should find one that’s educated and interested in the same things you are. my wife is brilliant and educated, and though i sometimes wish she would talk less, we have great and interesting talks all the time. i submit you’re paired up with the wrong female if you’re annoyed at everything she says. the problem may be that those kinds of women are not sexually attractive to you. (and i know i hit the jackpot in that regard.)

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  200. IQ is only one measure of mental prowess. don’t forget it is a pretty narrow and crude tool – measuring only one kind of intelligence – mainly math and book-related. think of all the kinds of ability – mechanical, musical, literary, etc. – that don’t show up on IQ tests. that many high-IQ people would fail misreably at.

    Yes. That is the main point.

    A High-IQ person may not be an ‘outside the box thinker’. To discover and implement Game, outside the box thinking is necessary for any man who is not among the few percentage of men that are naturals.

    Now, if someone is both High-IQ and an outside the box thinker, his ability to succeed in Game is really high, as a High-IQ person will assimilate the various points of Game knowledge easily.

    I certainly do not think that testosterone maximizes at median IQ and lowers at the edges.

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  201. Hmm. That apparently got caught by the moderation bot, so let’s try this again:

    @ Tood

    “Epoxy 87 wrote :

    since you often seem bent on addressing questions directly to others (especially in boldface type to female commenters):

    What? When did I do that? Examples? If you are going to erect strawmen, at least make some attempt at the fringes of reality. ”

    One

    Two

    Three

    @ Epoxytocin No. 87

    “…World Of Starcraft, and whatever else.”

    Do you really not know that it’s World of Warcraft, after all our heart-to-hearts about MMORPGS (morpegs, as you call them).

    “ALL of us were forced to socialize, at least to some extent, whether the nerdy kids liked it or not. This made 7th grade absolute hell for some nerdy kids, but it’s WAY WAY better to have your personal hell in 7th grade than in adulthood.”

    TRUE STORY. Let’s repeat that, for good measure:

    “…it’s WAY WAY better to have your personal hell in 7th grade than in adulthood.”

    Mmmhmm.

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  202. Maurice

    we have great and interesting talks all the time.

    Congrats, dude.

    As i said, I’ve had that a few times. It was a bit different than talking with men, as women on the whole tend to take disagreement as criticism or disapproval, because on the whole women identify with their thoughts, rather than have thoughts.

    But no matter if it’s men or women, most people are dull. Of the rare few that aren’t, what percentage do you want to fuck? And of those, what percent do you want to date?

    Here in Asia, the opportunities to find an interesting conversationalist female are extremely slim. I gave up a long time ago, and assume that those needs must be met elsewhere.

    I’d much prefer to have the conversation again. I used to miss it – now I’ve just forgotten what it was.

    But even with access to talking with women on the internet – I think you have to agree – the percentage of interesting woman is a small fraction of the percentage of interesting men. Women are too conflict averse to engage, on the whole. The rare few that engage and are are fun – like Betti or Aoeffe, for instance, aren’t next door. And I don’t cyber date unless I have plans to travel.

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  203. And Lilgirl of course. And whoever else I left out.

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  204. Epoxytocin No. 87

    It’s clearly not the case that these guys can just learn to “neg properly” and BOOM pussy will be open for them like 7-Eleven

    negging = instant missionary

    is one of the primary, pernicious fallacies promoted on decaying kiddiePUA sites

    that, and kj frs concocted for
    mental keyboard masturbation

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  205. on July 6, 2009 at 6:45 pm Dave from Hawaii

    @ Whiskey –

    Don’t forget Hawaii. Beat on Haole day is a tradition there. Whites the minority and discriminated against.

    While I’m probably more anti-Obama than you are, Whiskey, this is ridiculous. Obama went to Punahou, the most prestigious prep school in the State.

    “Kill Haole Day” was pretty much a public school tradition amongst Hawaii prole classes – the mixed race descendants of the plantation workers…typically Japanese, Filipino, Chinese, Portuguese, and Samoans.

    Trust me when I tell you, for a young Black man, Hawaii is NOT the place that Obama picked up a “hatred of whitey” atttitude. In fact, most of his friends and classmates were White. Punahou is where all the rich white folks send their kids to school. If anything, Obama went to the whitest school in the State.

    Aside from that, “Kill Haole Day” is overblown to the point of being an Urban Legend.

    It used to be on the last day of school, the local mixed race underclass kids would pick fights with white kids. By the mid-80’s, it was something that was always talked about, but never happened. It was more like a way for people to “spook” white kids, but that shit never really happened.

    Yes, white folks ARE the “nigger” here in Hawaii…but that really only happens when white folks have to deal with the prole class, mixed race folks here in the islands. You may experience subtle or overt discrimination by a waiter, or a waitress, or a plumber or mechanic or some other blue collar class person a white person has to interact with, but for the most part, Hawaii “racism” is very benign. At most, in a moment of anger, some lower class will use the epithet “Fucking Haole” or something like that…but it’s nowhere near the segregation and social warfare that literally consumes you mainland people.

    Here in Hawaii, we are basically raised on a culture of ethnic humor. We ALL make fun of every ethnic group. No ethnicity is sacred. That’s the way we are. Think of it as a culture that is one, gigantic Carlos Mencia/Dave Chappelle show. We Hawaiians are equal opportunity offenders…but at the end of the day, we all live, work and play with each other. We eat each others food. The fact is, I have a special level of contempt for Obama BECAUSE of his embrace of racial politics…when in fact he comes from a place where racism at it’s worst, is typically trivial. Hawaii is the true “melting pot” of cultural multi-diversity. Obama’s black identity politics is an utter betrayal of the heritage of Hawaii’s unique environment of basically harmonious race relations.

    Oh yeah, the term ‘haole’ is not necessarily a slur either…it CAN be, but not always.

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  206. What’s good people? I had a very nice weekend, and am now back to rejoin the fray, lol.

    In reply to my comments over the weekend:

    Nova: I don’t disagree w/your analysis in connection to my comments and observations wrt HBD and Game; the big question is, how do we basically hookup Geeks w/relatively hot Women? Sure, Roissy’s point about the legalizing of whorehouses and the like is on point, but I don’t see that happening in any major way anytime soon. And, like I’ve said before, Women simply aren’t willing to go back, nor or the vast majority of White guys willing to go the Taliban route to force them to do so. So, the only practical and workable solution I can see, is Game-the problem is, that its quite possible that the downsides of high IQ in a Male, may make learning and applying Game exceedingly difficult-if not impossible. In any event, who’s willing to sacrifice their individual, personal happiness to ensure the continuing march of civilization? Great sounding in theory, but notice you don’t see many people, Men or Women alike, tripping over each other to step up front.

    But my original premise is I hope both clear and generates focus on a very important point-if indeed there are downsides wrt lower IQ-and nearly everyone agrees with this-then why is no one interested in investigating the downsides of *too high* an IQ?

    For example, a common argument among HBDers is the overpopulation by way of breeding, of socalled “NAMs”-particularly Mestizo Mexicans. Yet when its noted that the best and brightest White folk don’t seem to be able to reproduce this argument is immediately shotdown, w/sometimes an Id-driven fury. Yet films like Idiocracy shows this point very poignantly. Could it be that being too smart is Nature’s price-in return for reduced fertility/virility/sexyness? And if so, why can’t the best and brightest at least devote some time on that?

    Let’s keep in mind that Whiskey-like solution has been proposed along these lines-w/at best, mixed results. The tiny Asian nation of Singapore had a program trying to encourage its high IQ population to make Whoopie and thus, babies. As I said, the program not only produced mixed results, but was also quite controversial.

    I am suggesting that, since the HBD crowd is intent on putting out there the real public policy and societal implications of weaker IQ, that if they are truly interested in the truth they must also explore the implications of having too high an IQ as well, and how this likely to play itself out in a dating and mating market where Women have more choice, freedom and autonomy now than ever in the entire history of human beings. I personally do not find it an accident that there is virtually no discussion on this at all among those who claim to be interested in HBD. Hmm.

    Joel: I haven’t really followed the McNair story all that closely-the bare details seems to tell the story well enough. He was creepin’ on the wifey and had a lil somethin’ on the side, which he couldn’t control, and came back to bite him. I was saying to some friends over the weekend that a lot of people are under the impression that famous people like McNair have a leg up w/the ladies etc because of their wealth and fame-my direct experience has been that some thee worst guys around wrt Game are guys like McNair. He desperately needed to know how to handle harems and MLTRs so he didn’t wind up on a coroner’s slab.

    Which brings me to your question to me wrt Roissy. He has suggested that the kind of Women gets with is key here, and I couldn’t agree with his analysis more-yet another reason guys like McNair NEED Game more than a regular guy like you or me.

    In fact, I was thinking back on a number of famous guys in the media, who’d gotten jammed up in a big way because of their utter lack of Game: Kobe Bryant, Mike Tyson, Chris Brown and now, Steve McNair. If those guys had Mystery Method and The Game they’d be cool. Hmm.

    Maurice: I’ve been watching all the episodes of The Wire, and its in my view hands down one of thee best tv shows I have ever seen, and this is coming from someone who got turned off tv a very long time ago, for many of the reasons Whiskey blogs about on his site. One of the reasons, among a great many, that I love about The Wire is in its depection of characters like Omar Little, Avon Barksdale, Marlo Stanfield, Proposition Joe and of course, Stringer Bell. All Black Men, none of whom are formally educated, yet highly intelligent people-they probably would flunk the SAT and wouldn’t know an IQ test from a hole in the ground. Yet they ran business empires and for the most part, always stayed one step ahead of the cops. That’s why I, and most Black folk, explicitly rejects the idea that there can only be “one” measure of IQ. Only those who make the scale can say such things.

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    The Obsidian

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  207. @obs- The Wire is great art, like Shakespeare or Dickens, but for our time and place. Loved seasons 1-3, 4-5 were a little too didactic for me. The Stringer-Avon relationship was amazing. both brilliant guys, in their different ways. the whole show was great. i’ll look at it again in a few years, to see how well it ages.

    you might also like “breaking bad” – season 1 available on DVD, season 2 just finished. it’s set in New Mexico, and even though the main family is standard middle-class SWPL, the bad guys are all underclass mexicans.

    basically a science chemistry teacher – a former genius whose career never took off and who feels like a loser, discovers he has lung cancer and a few months to live. to take care of his family, he decides not to ask his rich friend and his wife (an ex of his) who he thinks ripped off his ideas for money, but .. to become a meth cooker/dealer. he knows how to make the purest shit and quickly gets pulled into the criminal underworld to get the money he thinks he needs.

    the part about the show that is relevant to this blog is – he loves it. he’s a lifelong beta who finally finds his sack, and his alpha alter ego (which he hides from his family) seeps into his life and starts to take him over. very interesting stuff. dark, funny, and brilliant.

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