A Test Of Your Game: The Judging

The range of answers by the commenters to yesterday’s post about how to handle an inconsiderate woman you’ve been dating for six weeks when she flies out of town on a mystery trip and leaves you in the dark were wide and varied, enough for me to choose representative samples of the worst and the best.

Almost every commenter got the first part correct. Do nothing. If a girl says she will call you over the weekend but doesn’t, you’ll only make yourself look worse by trying to establish contact with her. Either she can’t use the phone, and your repeated texts and voicemails pile up like a monument to your betatude and embarrass you, or she has decided not to call you, and any move you make to get in touch will validate her negative impression of you. When she does call back you’ll have your opportunity to recapture the upper hand. If she doesn’t call back… well, then you know she boffed the ex and you can stop fretting about her.

The second part of the test was a lot trickier.

askjoe wrote:

Put on my three-wolf moon t-shirt and wait for her to start beating down my door.

Never doubt the power of the three wolf t-shirt.
Grade: Chuck Norris

Aenigma wrote:

Getting angry and calling out her BS shows that she has direct control over your emotions- never a position you want a manipulative woman to know she has. Additionally it shows that you’re not the aloof alpha- so its a no go.

Bringing it up or asking about it will show you care directly- also a no go.

Your best bet is to pretend nothing happened. You’re the aloof Alpha remember?

The concept of alpha aloofness can be stretched to extremes, where it becomes not just counterproductive to your pussy goals, but corrodes your dignity as a man. How much are you willing to brush off? Everything, as long as you “Go out and fuck ten other women”? This principle taken to its logical end would mean that EVERY TIME a girlfriend or date did something you didn’t like you would dump her forthwith and move on to the next girl. You think you can have a normal relationship with a girl completely free of her typical female bullshit? You are living in a fantasy land if you think that’s so. Women weren’t designed by the Lord of Biomechanics to make men happy. They were designed to make themselves happy. It’s our job as men to train women to please us. We do this by satisfying her need for a strong man, just as she satisfies our need for a thin, sexual, feminine playmate.

An alpha’s default mode should be amused mastery, in control of his emotions which remain torqued for retribution only when it advantages himself. But there is room in an alpha’s universe for uncontrolled blasts of passionate anger. Sometimes a girl wants to have her man piss on his territory.
Grade: B- for avoiding the worst beta temptations

Firepower wrote:

Thus, when fretting begins, it is a clear signal to use a man’s advantage: Game.

Go out hunting with the goal of acquiring new tail.

While on the call, wait for her to divulge her reasons. Hopefully, if she cares about the sudden damage she has caused to a budding relationship, she will be nervous in explaining her reason for traveling. If she clears the air satisfactorily – ok.

Regardless, I’d lay it out clearly that relationships are based upon trust and confidence. I’d state my expectations plainly. If she cannot abide – I am finished with her and will progress to the next female.

A solid answer. Six weeks is not enough time for a man to forfeit his prerogative to chase skirt up and down the city. Fretting will certainly gain him nothing. (Think about the kinds of people who fret. Gays and women. And lesser betas.) Don’t jump down her throat when she calls. Let her explain herself. The earnestness or circumspection with which a woman divulges her me-time will tell you a lot about how much she values your trust. If her story reeks of BS, dump her or demote her to fuckbuddy (without informing her of the demotion of course). The choice to dump or demote is highly dependent on her hotness and your options. If she gives a plausible reason and offers to come over right away to administer a black hole blowjob, then strategically drop the matter and wash the smegma off your junk. Later, when she thinks everything is copacetic, you may cooly inform her of your expectations for a relationship and your displeasure with her actions. The best time to lay down the hammer of hurt is when it’s least expected.
Grade: A

It’s My First Day wrote:

Don’t answer. Write her off. Go chase some new tail. If she really digs you, she’ll keep calling and eventually she will send you an email explaining herself. IF the email offers a decent explanation as to why she went MIA for 3 days and it is full of apologies, then you may consider taking her back. Otherwise, give her the heave-ho permanently.

A lot of commenters suggested the hardcore approach, like this one. Hey, if you’ve got a steady stream of progressively hotter chicks waiting expectantly, open-mouthed, for the blessing of your jizzbombs, then go ahead and be all the hardcore you wanna be. But what if she had a legitimate reason for her actions? What if you like the girl? Letting her Monday night call go to vmail is not a bad idea, maybe even preferable to picking up right away, but not calling back for days or waiting for her to send an apologetic email is unecessary overgaming on a girl who you have yet to hear out.
Grade: C

Schumpeter wrote:

I agree, it sounds like a shit test. Maybe there was a reason to take off, but not giving that reason up front is a shit test.

Maybe it was a shit test, maybe not. Given the information we have, we can’t make that determination with full confidence. If she was a one week fling, I’d say, yeah, assume the shit test and return to gaming her like the two-bit whore she is. But maybe she’s just an absent-minded numbskull? A lot of flaky, self-entitled urban girls are surprisingly obtuse in their grasp of social niceties. If she’s calling you, then that means you’re on her mind. Give her the opportunity to clear the air.
Grade: Incomplete

Days of Broken Arrows wrote:

I’m sure this is the wrong answer, but I would pick up the phone, listen, then call her on being weird: “Did someone die?” Then I would listen more. If the reasons for her departure were flaky bullshit I would do as follows:

I would put the relationship into second gear or on the back burner. When people behave like this early on, it doesn’t get better. It’s a sign of things to come.

Key word: weird. I will explain in my answer below.
Grade: A+

Paul wrote:

I am surprised how many people get so possessive and demanding so quickly in a relationship. Based on the scenario, this is just a fun relationship with a somewhat flakey girl that has zero LTR value. After dating such a girl for only six weeks you are already demanding that she account for all of her time?

This is a girl who has had your cock in every hole and your sperm sprayed all over her body. She has professed much affection for you. It is not an example of possessiveness to refuse her disrespect.
Grade: D for dodge

kam wrote:

if the grandmother died or the brother was hurt, she would have texted “grandma died” or “brother hurt”. the “i’ll call you with the explanation” means it’s not that simple, and probably emotional drama vs actual drama.

Grade: P for perceptiveness

Ari Hinkelberger wrote:

What a true Alpha would do is call her friend up… Tell her you don’t have much going on this weekend because the 6 week fling is out of town.

You then ask her friend if she wants to get a drink on Saturday night.

Her friend will want to get a drink with you if your girl is hot, because she considers you filet minon who only bangs hot chicks…

Since you are top shelf liquor who only bangs hot chicks and walks with an alpha limp, you go out with her friend on Saturday night – get her drunk – and fuck her on your couch…all the while your 6 week Wonder Women thinks she is playing you.

There is no way to nail a flaker to the wall harder then to bang her hot friend.

Then when your girl calls Monday night, you pick up the phone like an Alpha ask her how her weekend was. Tell her that you had GREAT active weekend and that you were sorry you didn’t call and check in.

Grade: A+++, just because

Lady Macbeth stayed true to form:

From a woman’s perspective I agree with Aenigma on the actual reaction. If you refuse to answer the call the first thing I’d think is: “uh oh drama queen needs to know every detail of my life or he’s gonna pout”

If your first reaction when he doesn’t answer the phone is to think he is pouting, then that means you did something cunty and you don’t like that he may be calling you out on it. If you had nothing to hide, you would just be a normal human being and assume he was busy when you rang.

So answer, act extremely cool and casual like you didn’t even realize there is something you SHOULD be angry about because the anger also proves to a woman that you care. (in my opinion).

Translation: Be a doormat. Let your woman disrespect you without fear of reprisal, because to refuse her this god-given right just shows you have not placed her on a high enough princess pedestal. See: Italian eunuch who cooks Cuntrag’s dinners and picks up her kid’s toys.

Sort of like “hey is everything okay with you?” and if she gives you a simple “yes” let it go and talk about something else. I disagree that women who don’t want to talk about “details” of an emergency are hiding something. When something happens in my immediate family I don’t share more than sketchy details even with long term friends.

The woman in my story didn’t even have the sense to share sketchy details. Any woman who explains away a mystery four day disappearance with a simple and incomplete “Yes” is presumed guilty of a Class A whore infraction. If a man takes your advice he will be a second class citizen in any relationship, which, I suppose, is just how you like it, because you’re a bitch control freak.

The part I disagree with about Aenigma is the “go out with other women” (or pretend to be too busy with other chicks). If a guy trys to make me jealous I always know and it’s satisfying for a woman because again….she knows you care enough to get upset and look for other chicks. An Alpha man doesn’t NEED an immediate replacement because he always has options. What’s the hurry?

In Cuntrag’s rapidly imploding universe, the man can’t win. If he’s a pouting beta, he loses. If he’s a player alpha, he loses. But if he does all her housework for no sex in return and pretends to enjoy her inane ramblings about the BMX biker doing a 180 handle spin into her anus, he’s the perfect man.

Here’s a clue, LR: An alpha man is not going to wait until you have thoroughly abused his trust before he exercises his options. The world does not revolve around you.

Not to mention that if she thinks you’ll run for another woman the moment she’s not available it will be easier for her to come to the conclusion that you’re not worth HER time (because you cannot be trusted).

When a woman skips town on her lover without even a cursory explanation, she has provided evidence that she is not worth HIS time. Whether she thinks he is worth her time is irrelevant.
Grade: C for… ah, I’ll let you finish the rest.

The_Judge wrote:

This is pretty simple, really. If you have been dating, vigorously I assume, for a month a half, then you should NOT tolerate a prolonged absence without an explanation. It doesn’t matter if her entire immediate family was killed in a freak RV trailer explosion; she should have let you know why she is leaving in the first place. Or if she left in utmost hurry, updated you the first chance she got with a very clear and concise explanation.

Anything short of the above is a clear and present sign of flakiness, which needs to be punished immediately. You don’t have to dump her right away, but a stunt like that requires complete detachment of empathy. If she starts talking some made up sob story (or even a true one, makes no difference at this point), you need to cut her down to size make it clear that you have priorities in life:

1. Me
2. A woman who cares for me and loves me unconditionally
3. My business
4. My affairs

A little bit of overkill, but basically this man grasps the deeper implications of the woman’s actions.
Grade: B+

Roosh wrote:

The answer depends on what you want from the girl. If only sex then who cares who else she fucks. She’ll return for the dick eventually and you’d probably have something else on the side anyway. But if you want something serious, then some type of dramatic call-out after a cooling off period will be required. If she doesn’t then verbalize how much she cares/likes you and wants to see you again then it’s done.

Context is king.
Grade: A+

anony (a chick) wrote:

@Aengima,
You are wrong and LR is correct.
Confident women NEVER knowingly compete, because 1) it’s unnatural; men compete, not women

The existence of the beautification industry refutes you.
Grade: Goose Egg (one left)

******

ANSWER

First, I will reveal what happened to the friend in my story. Then I will offer what I believe is the best response to any similar situation to the one experienced by my friend.

He picked up the phone Monday night and she explained that a girl friend had an emergency and she had to fly out of state to be with her. She didn’t tell my friend the reason for her hasty exit because her girl friend had requested that her problem be kept secret. Having sworn to uphold her friend’s privacy, she probably thought that telling my friend she was visiting a girl friend with a personal problem would mean she would have to explain the details of that problem. She said she did not answer texts or voicemails because her phone had no reception where her girl friend lived (a small, lightly populated state). My friend accepted this plausible excuse because she has a history of sexually pleasing him and giving him lots of affection, and furthermore she sounded genuinely happy to speak with him again. There was no dumping or demoting based on this incident.

Later, I informed my friend that he should keep a wary eye on his woman because her behavior, despite the solid rationale given by her, was not the ideal behavior of a woman who respects and cherishes her man more than the whims of her own self-indulgent egotism. If I’m right in my assessment of this woman’s character, then their relationship will not last much longer.

What I Would Have Done

I would have let the Monday night call go to vmail, then called her a couple hours later. As Roosh explained in his answer, if I liked the girl enough to consider her LTR material then it would have been acceptable, even required by the Code of Alphadom, to call her out on her disrespectful flakiness. It doesn’t matter if she was pulling a shit test or was simply absent-minded, her behavior sets a bad precedent for any potential relationship with her. Her excuse, while plausible, still leaves a bad taste in the mouth. She could have easily texted my friend that she was flying out to see a girl friend about a personal problem that she was not at liberty to discuss. Any man who wasn’t a beta paranoiac would accept that reasoning without argument, and with the patience to withhold judgement until she returned to fully explain herself and prove her continuing passion for him.

The method by which I would call out the woman in this story is one I have found works exceptionally well. I would first tell her I’m glad everything’s OK with her, then I would call her weird, or even creepy, for sending such a vague text in the middle of the night when it would have been no trouble for her to give a simple heads up why she was leaving. Girls use words like “weird”, “creepy”, and “loser” to describe men who repulse them, so by co-opting their own words of disgust to use against them you will strike deeper into the heart of their warped female souls. Girls understand the power of these words, so they will work to win your favor back if you tar them with the same brush they tar the betas of the world.

Then I would keep her at arm’s length for a month, hitting on other women and fucking her with a healthy dose of detachment, until she had earned the full measure of my trust again.

For those insisting that the woman in the story owes my friend nothing, your loose ethical standards are not helping her cause. The length of time of the relationship matters less than the vigor with which the passionate lust and loving affection has been exchanged. Any woman who has received your unprotected cock into her vagina on multiple occasions and taken loads of your hot seed to every square inch of her body has relinquished the freedom to behave selfishly and cavalierly without suffering a degradation of her worth as a girlfriend. By her cagey actions, she has announced that she is a rank slut. Her hole is open for business, no strings attached.

An important feeling every man wants in a relationship is the feeling of OWNING, in some part, his woman. This is a natural expression of the masculine essence, and is as undeniable, unassailable, and unalterable as is the feminine essence of wanting to love and be loved by a dominant man. The woman in my story has declared by her disrespect for my friend, whether intended or not, that she will not be owned. Stay away from women who think this way. They are at war with their feminine souls.





Comments


  1. UGH, who wants a “relationship” with a woman anyway.

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  2. Kudos to Hinkelberger

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  3. Yeah, like I said, throw this girl on the second string team.

    Having a strong 2nd string and 3rd string team is the mark of a true Alpha.

    Legendary San Francisco Pimp Fillmore Slim once brought 7 girls down to Los Angeles (so the legend goes).

    He promptly got “knocked” for all seven girls by the Local LA pimps. Straight peeled.

    He then got on the phone and made a call to SF.

    The next day on the track he had 7 even more beautiful girls working.

    Then told the LA pimps, “You thought I was only 7 deep! That was my second string. Now I brought in the thorougbreads!”

    No one got to his first string.

    Fillmore Slim. A legend in the Game.

    I met him before in SF. Said he liked my swagger.

    – MPM

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  4. on June 12, 2009 at 2:26 pm Dave Is Certainly Knowing

    The excuse sounds slightly fishy, but it all depends on context. Maybe she’s a ditz and this fits her personality perfectly. Six weeks should be able to give you a good read on her. Is she a flake? Does she talk about ex’s all the time? Can you fit your fist in her asshole?

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  5. roissy –

    So this situation occurred recently then? You should update us as to when the relationship falls apart (because you know it will), and say what caused it to implode.

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  6. good post

    it’s crazy how some woman wanna world on this earth doing whatever they want without being criticize, judged or call out for there stupid actions.

    sometimes it seems like a man can never come out of a situation smelling like flower.

    Control the Options: Get Others to Play with the Cards you Deal

    The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets. Give people options that come out in your favor whichever one they choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of a dilemma: They are gored wherever they turn.

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  7. on June 12, 2009 at 2:39 pm Lawyer from Hell

    But maybe she’s just an absent-minded numbskull? A lot of flaky, self-entitled urban girls are surprisingly obtuse in their grasp of social niceties.

    The same women that catch every subtle nuance of body posture? That flash their purses off to each other as status signs?

    They are only obtuse because they can get away with it

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  8. He picked up the phone Monday night and she explained that a girl friend had an emergency and she had to fly out of state to be with her.

    If she values some female friend more than you at this early stage of the relationship, might as well kick her to the curb or demote her to FB, since there is no prospect for LTR anyway.

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  9. Remember this part of the original post: “the fact that she’s just north of 30”.

    That pretty much disqualifies here from long term potential unless:

    You are 50+ years old.
    She was a model and still maintains her looks.
    She has Forbes 500 money coming her way.
    She is childless.

    -MPM

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  10. I don’t know about that.

    For me this would be a matter of self respect.

    There are far too many pretty young girls out there to waste your precious cum on such a cunt.

    Clinging to an (old!) girl who treats you like shit is not exactly what derives from abundance mentality.

    Yes, the sex may be good – but that’s pretty much a given if the woman is hot.

    Why offer the gift of your time and even help her find sexual satisfaction if she shows clear signs of disrespect?

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  11. “and any move you make to get in touch will validate her negative impression of you” –

    Validate her negative impression? So is she doesn’t like you anyway why bother? Simply move on. It takes two, not one, to play the game. An unwilling participant is as productive and as fun as banging your head against the wall.

    “But if he does all her housework for no sex in return and pretends to enjoy her inane ramblings about the BMX biker doing a 180 handle spin into her anus, he’s the perfect man.”

    Ha. That’s pretty damn funny.

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  12. BTW, if there is any trust in your friend’s relationship, then there is no need to over analyze this so called “flakiness.”
    Only if there’s a pattern then I understand but if it’s an isolated incident so what. You shouldn’t plant the seeds of distrust in your friend’s head which will end up making him a bitch.

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  13. “Then I would keep her at arm’s length for a month, hitting on other women and fucking her with a healthy dose of detachment, until she had earned the full measure of my trust again.”

    excellent strategy. guaranteed to keep her interested; the only problem is that most men are unable to do this. they succumb to the woman’s charms.

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  14. on June 12, 2009 at 3:09 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    Glad I could get an A+ on this. I guess I’m improving. When it came to a real thing last year I got an F. Guess this blog has improved my thinking.

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  15. Lawyer from Hell, and 11minutes are right,

    We cannot “train” women, one at a time, to behave properly. The ONLY way to affect their behavior is to cause them public discomfort. And since they are so in tune to public perception of themselves and their perceived status, they will conform.

    Roissy himself has expounded on this many times.

    Kick her to the curb. Move on. There ARE better women out there.

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  16. Roissy- said woman was described by you as:

    “Then you muse about the aspects of her nature that you don’t relish so much – the fact that she’s just north of 30, has no decent career prospects, and still talks of moving to new cities for “life experience” like she’s a recently minted college graduate. She’s assertive and flaky, an all too typical combination in a single DC woman.”

    Is this what an alpha male is suppose to get emotional over? A 30 year old immature self-centered (who most likely has an overblown sense of entitlement- as most chicks of this type do) DC chick who is going to look to you as a financial reasource (due to lack of carrer prospects) in the coming years?

    F that. She is easily replaceable by any number of other desperate 30 something year olds whose biological clocks are roaring in their ears. She dosen’t have the Sexual Market Value to be able to play games like this with ME- if she dosen’t realize this she can hit the bricks.

    I’m all about laying down the law and using self-centered ego centric anger to deal with BS from time to time (and have done so in the past). But in this case- she’s not worth it. If I want immaturity, games, and entitlement I’ll take it in a hot closer to 20 something year old who actually has the sexual value to make it worth playing these games.

    So- what your friend should do is:

    Sack up and date someone younger.

    Its the Roissy thing to do
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/younger-women-are-good-for-a-mans-health/

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  17. “Girlfriend emergency” and “no phone reception where I was”? Ah, I remember those from my beta days. She’s lying, and not even putting much effort into it. We’ve had phone reception out here in rural flyover country for years now. Sometimes it isn’t great, but it’s never unusable for days in a row.

    While she was banging her ex or whatever, she could have at least come up with a good story with some details. My favorite was the one who flaked on me because she accidentally broke a jar of mercury that her late father had collected and left to her, and the fire department and EPA had cordoned off her house, so she couldn’t get in to prepare for our date.

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  18. on June 12, 2009 at 3:15 pm Raymo in LeDroit

    This blog is reaffirms I need to leave DC soon

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  19. “explained that a girl friend had an emergency and she had to fly out of state to be with her. … She said she did not answer texts or voicemails because her phone had no reception where her girl friend lived (a small, lightly populated state).”

    Um … that sounds like pure bullshit to me. The number of places where cellphones don’t work is very, very small these days. It’s possible, of course, but pretty darned unlikely. My guess is that she was with her ex.

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  20. shit, guys I think I fucked up.

    We started bantering back ‘n forth via text, until I made some crack about alcohol making everything better.

    Her next text: “You’re a little obsessed with alcohol.”

    Me: “Nah, just with some pretty girl I met last night.”

    Me: ;P

    Silence.

    Is this salvageable? And if so, how?

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  21. Not true. I was in a rural area where the cellphone did not work in the house whatsoever but if I really had an itch to call someone I could have easily stepped outside and made contact.

    You know what? I eat my words. Come to think of it, I’d be annoyed with this girl even if I wasn’t banging her.

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  22. “self-indulgent egotism”

    As opposed to NON-selfindulgent egotism?

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  23. No comment on my suggestion to wrap it up?

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  24. What Roissy describes as what he would actually have done is quite similar to what I would have done.

    I had in mind waiting to return the call until the next day, in part because I imagined the Monday night call coming in fairly late. But I probably would have anyway, still.

    Using the word weird or even creepy is a good thought that I’m adding. I can see how those words do in fact have special chick power.

    I had in mind something like that viewpoint, though I wouldn’t have thought to use those words. Her not explaining at all the reasons for the last minute weekend fly away plans at all by txt or whatever were simply unquestionably inconsiderate aka rude. Weird works well. Not within normal social operating procedures for a girl who purports to be starting to care considerably about me.

    Her explanation that a girlfriend was having a crisis that the girlfriend wanted kept secret I’d regard with two kinds of skepticism, kept to myself, but not necessarily hostility. Oh, I’d say ok, I see, though at least that much of a heads up would have been nice, whereas what I’d really do is buy it pending.

    First it’s not at all detailed and is just the kind of lie a girl would tell who was covering for seeing an ex bf who’s been making serious commitment or marriage noises. Second it’s putting priorities on the gf’s absolute secrecy over having given me at least some heads up, i.e. txting as much from the get go. Third, ok, whatever. Let’s see how she treats me. Even if it is the ex pulling at her, she still might make a good continuing FB; or she may well feel the need to chase me because of my responding aloofness, and replace him entirely in her head.

    All of which work work best by demoting her somewhat, dating other girls as well, and making her chase to get back to where she had been. My semi dump. First by not being quick to respond to her calls that finally came when the last minute mystery weekend away was over. Second by being a bit distant and dating elsewhere also afterwards.

    Roissy says he’d keep her a bit at arms length for a month until “she’s earned the full measure of my trust again”.

    Yeah.

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  25. slightly off topic, but what exactly is “fucking her with a healthy dose of detachment”? Emotional, or difference in the actual physical?

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  26. slightly off topic, but what exactly is “fucking her with a healthy dose of detachment”? Emotional, or difference in the actual physical?

    i think of a vagina, and then i remove all thoughts of love and urges to cuddle.

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  27. I don’t think that should crack me up as much as it is.

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  28. lurker,

    the salvagability depends on the context i guess. your first problem is bantering back and forth on text. you shouldn’t have done that.

    your only hope is to cease speaking to her until she either texts you or you run into each other. this will allow for some time to pass and the lowered value you displayed to wear off a little.

    overall though, i’d say she’s not interested. only speaking from experience b/c i’ve had similar encounters myself.

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  29. i think of a vagina, and then i remove all thoughts of love and urges to cuddle.

    Sounds like the inverse of a platonic relationship. Think of a vagina, but remove all urges to fuck it while keeping the cuddling urges.

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  30. I’m with Aaron and Nova – doesn’t exactly pass the smell test. The “I can’t provide any details” aspect, about some purported gf that you will never meet or know anything about, is a little too convenient, maybe concocted to be a cover. Maybe push on that a little bit to see what comes out. (what kind of crisis? how are things now? etc.) if she gets defensive or the details don’t hang together, it’s probably a lie.

    @Lurker – yeah, you placed yourself in the shoes of a supplicating chump with that line. i’d wait til sunday and txt her again, setting up the drink time, acting as though nothing had happened, being funny and commanding.

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  31. The words “weird” and “creepy” are female terms, because they inchoately express their inchoate feelings of disapproval — kind of like a kid’s use of “yucky.” It detracts from your masculine aura to use these words. It only passively aggressively conveys disapproval. I would have opted for the straightforward, “I don’t like that” or a simple “uncool.”

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  32. instead of an emoticon (which I think was worse than the original compliment, especially considering you used the “wink” eyes), I think from now on, all compliments need to be followed for R’s “for me to poop on.” reply.

    I am curious to see if it really was an extinction level text (ELT?). I guess the experts here have predicted you will never hear from her again and for you to wait two weeks.

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  33. My spidey sense tells me it took her the weekend and a friend (old boyfriend) a couple days to come up with the excuse. There is virtually nowhere you can’t get connected in some fashion. If she missed him, she would have called. IMHO he should distance himself quickly.

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  34. maurice

    I’m with Aaron and Nova – doesn’t exactly pass the smell test. The “I can’t provide any details” aspect, about some purported gf that you will never meet or know anything about, is a little too convenient

    Agreed.

    As I said above. The question remains what to do about that.

    RooshV has it well: If indeed your purpose is total commitment from this girl or nothing, then at some point a confrontation about his would be best. But it would be much better done not right away, but after letting it slide for awhile, sort of, while she’s demoted a bit, subtly, without saying that to her. Just dating others and being less available mostly for that reason, or hanging with the guys.

    However you might just want to keep banging you as a fuck buddy in your rotation, while not announcing to her she’s that. If she is deciding between you and a newly marriage interested ex, you don’t necessarily want to cause her to have to decide that very moment whether it’s going to be all or nothing with you.

    Meanwhile, it would be fatal for either purpose to be much more committed to her than she is to you, and to be telegraphing that to her by how you’re acting, and asking.

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  35. Chuck, I think I lowered her interest myself. She texted me today (read my postings in the last Roissy post) first in a flirty manner, after telling me not to text or call because she probably wouldn’t answer.

    I agree I royally fucked up. Hey, live and learn, that’s why I’m here.

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  36. I disagree, Roissy. You can’t ASSUME where the relationship is without having discussed it.

    The person who makes more assumptions that the other isn’t aware of is cheating themself.

    If you assume the girl has a responsibility in the relationship, i.e. girlfriend status, then you are cheating yourself.

    If I am dating a girl and she assumes I am not banging other women, it is HER responsibility to talk to me about it if she wants me to be exclusive. I will absolutely continue to bang other women unless I tell her otherwise.

    I don’t care how much she seems like she’s in love with you, you assuming this girl is true to you without actually knowing is cheating yourself.

    You want to start off the relationship casual and if you want a monogamous relationship, move it in that direction–ideally by pulling away at the right time and getting her to ask for it.

    Otherwise, if neither of you has asked for exclusivity, assuming it there is just asking for heartache and trouble.

    Eric Disco

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  37. aoefe–

    My spidey sense tells me it took her the weekend and a friend (old boyfriend) a couple days to come up with the excuse. There is virtually nowhere you can’t get connected in some fashion.

    Yeah.

    If she missed him, she would have called.

    This is complicated. Not necessarily. She still might not have figured out her excuse, mostly because she’s wanted to avoid the unpleasantness of thinking up a plausible lie that won’t crash in her face with future facts. (Grandma shows up at the Thanksgiving at her folks she invites me to.)

    Or she may well have gone on this weekend to check out how strong her feelings still were for this ex I’ve been hypothesizing has been making newly commitment oriented noises, compared to those for me, or whether the ex will actually pop the question, and so on.

    In the nature of things, it’s unlikely she got the lightening bolt clarity she’d been hoping for, but she’s still hoping her emotions will decide for her until the last moment she can squeeze out to contact me again, without in her mind REALLY blowing things with me.

    I wouldn’t necessarily blow her off entirely because of this. My relationship with her while sweet has been pretty short, I’m awesome and will obviously win if I want to and play my cards sufficient right and elusively, I’m not about to pop the question myself tomorrow to her, and so on.

    So the date others now too, make her chase, see what she does next, but still keep banging her because she’s hot and has been fun, but with pulled back feelings for her on my part now until she proves herself, strategy seems best to me.

    Hey, she still could just feel the need for marriage within six months and go with the ex despite my awesomeness. But I’d wait and see.

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  38. also, i agree that the cell reception thing is b.s. maybe in a large sparsely-populated state like north dakota, if she was on a farm in the middle of nowhere, but even small-ish towns in just about all states have cell towers, all cities and suburbs have them, and small sparsely populated states ususally have coverage in rural areas. a lie.

    my answer yesterday was, listen attentively, decide if she’s lying, and go from there. today i think she’s lying. i would have bought grandma in the hospital but not this.

    so – my line from yesterday:

    “i think you’re lying and that you had an out-of town hookup. that’s cool, if that’s what you want. we’ll still hang out, but don’t expect any exclusivity from me. if you can’t accept that, then we will part ways.”

    i prefer this direct statement to head games, chasing, creating value through scarcity, etc. — the usual game stuff. i know i’m in the minority here (or wrong), but given the circumstances, it seems more masculine just to say what you believe and will accept, demand compliance, and walk away if you don’t get it.
    successful game has a strong component of female psychology and behavior, of course, but my gut says this is not the time or the way to wear that hat.

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  39. @lurker

    She was pretty inebriated when you met her. She’s likely questioning whether there’s any real substance to the encounter and your mention of alchohol may have confirmed to her that it was a boozy adventure no more than that. Your use of the word obsessed was the word that stopped her from texting back. If you don’t contact her it will give her some room to believe you aren’t in fact obsessed. Girls get nervous when they don’t hear from you, it builds worth (believe me I know…sigh).

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  40. aoefe–

    thumbs up, thumbs metzo metzo, or thumbs down on you know what?

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  41. aoefe, thanks for the faint hope. She was a cutie, just wished I had either a) gotten into her panties and finished the deed or b) gotten the friend, who I connected with as well.

    live and learn, boys. back out to the bars tonight!

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  42. She may like him, but not LIKE him if she LIKED him she would have still contacted him regardless of trying to figure out her feelings (re the ex). If after the trip she’s more than affectionate than ever and very attentive she may have made her mind up. But her call on Sunday saying she was tired and would call Monday tells me she didn’t decide that. A chick who is crazy about a dude will need to talk to him, it’s pretty simple.

    I’ve had more than one guy seeking my attention and I if I haven’t yet my mind up I’ll still be very attentive to both because I don’t know where my heart lies and I’m not going to blow it with either. FYI I wasn’t sleeping with either.

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  43. @lurker

    I was totally thinking you should go for b! Is there any way you can get her number?

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  44. eh, b? The other guy got her, and I don’t know how I’d get her # without going through a).

    Sux, but plenty of pussy in the pound.

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  45. lurker, I agree with aoefe above, plus she’s b&t and you live in the city… I suspect she’ll get back to you eventually.

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  46. @lurker, aeofe – i thought the friend had a different dude pick her up? i still don’t think you’ve totally screwed the pooch with the first chick- just let some time pass and go back to plan a.

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  47. thanks mo. The text flirting was actually going ok at that point.

    the different dude did, but he didn’t go home with her, either. mother hen stepped in.

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  48. thanks al. cross fingers and try another chica tonight

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  49. disco stu:
    I don’t care how much she seems like she’s in love with you, you assuming this girl is true to you without actually knowing is cheating yourself.

    if making this assumption indicts the man rather than the woman, then why do cheating girls in non-exclusive relationships work hard to hide their sluttiness?

    any girl fucking a man crazy and showering him with affection will have to live with the fact that there are unspoken expectations placed on her behavior by her lover. despite the current conventional wisdom by PUAs and feminists alike, formal discussions of exclusivity are not required for a man to safely make assumptions about his woman’s degree of sluttiness or fidelity. the mere fact of her affection, lovemaking, and decision to enjoy the pleasure of his company is enough for him to rationally assume she is not sharing her pussy with other cocks. you may not like this double standard, but it isn’t going anywhere fast because it arises from the very fundamental differences between men’s and women’s psychological profiles.

    a girl who cannot abide these emergent assumptions that lovers will make on her, then regardless of formalities exploring the nature of their relationship she has marked herself a slut and thus not worth pursuing as a GF.

    You want to start off the relationship casual and if you want a monogamous relationship, move it in that direction–ideally by pulling away at the right time and getting her to ask for it.

    even if a man doesn’t want a monogamous relationship, he’ll still want to be reassured somehow that he’s dating a girl who isn’t riding the cock carousel while on his clock.

    Otherwise, if neither of you has asked for exclusivity, assuming it there is just asking for heartache and trouble.

    if a girl wants to project an image of high quality and of one who is discriminating about who she bangs, she has to expect that a worthy man she is dating will hold her in the sort of high regard that is only reserved for women who aren’t playing dick sandwich with multiple lovers. this assumption will exist for darwinian reasons whether notarized by formal conversation or not.

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  50. I think she’ll be in touch again. Your text wasn’t that crazy. Just hold back.

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  51. lurker

    I agree I royally fucked up. Hey, live and learn, that’s why I’m here.

    Very good attitude.

    You do need to wait a long time for any hope with former opera singer girl. Unless she contacts you again first; that’s different. Then still wait a few hours to txt back. If it’s say Sunday, the first day she said she wouldn’t be crazy, then respond within an hour or two.

    Analyze why you blew her shit testing you on the booze issue so badly. Not only did you answer defensively, you also parried with a way too early declaration of excessive interest in her. Very beta and possibly creepy.

    Keep cocky in mind. Even if it isn’t yet merited. Fake it til you make it. She was probing you on whether you’re always a big boozer, and also whether you think she is. She was doing that herself in a cocky, challenging manner rather than getting herself defensive.

    Why not flip the script on her? E.g. say, “well I wasn’t keeping up with you guys you know, but you were having a good time, and I didn’t want to make not keeping up look too obvious. Hey, obviously you SHOULD be showing gratitude for my old school chivalry there. How bout it?

    That both negs her lightly on her own drinking, is completely non defensive and self confident about yours, and ends by shifting the focus from her being defensive about herself to an invite to play compliment you. Or play insult you, doesn’t matter really. (BTW, I thought up the analysis for the instinctive way to play it after the former, just now.)

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  52. What Roissy said, bang on! (no pun intended – heh)

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  53. @lurker

    “We started bantering back ‘n forth via text, until I made some crack about alcohol making everything better.

    Her next text: “You’re a little obsessed with alcohol.”

    Me: “Nah, just with some pretty girl I met last night.”

    Me: ;P

    Instead you could have replied

    Me: Nah, just like a little Russian booze now and then.

    *note she was pretending to be Russian. I’m taking this as a slight neg with a bit of humour? Or did I miss it?

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  54. lurker,

    “Me: ;P”

    I think we have touched on this before. NO smiley faces on texts.

    “thanks al. cross fingers and try another chica tonight”

    That’s the spirit.

    No need to cross fingers. Be The G.

    Make it happen.

    – MPM

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  55. If this is a rule that women are supposedly aware of, no one ever told me!!

    It’s a rule only told to high quality women. Don’t worry your pretty little head over it. Continue to bang the DUI club to your heart’s content.

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  56. G, doug1, and aoefe thanks for the boosts and the analyses. Always appreciated.

    Citius, altius, fortius.

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  57. The phone reception thing doesn’t even really matter, because if she wanted to contact him, she would have. There are friends with cell phones on different carriers, landlines, a friend’s Internet access to send an email…plenty of options. When I was Internet dating, a girl who was into me would drop her plans on a Friday afternoon and drive two hours to see me if that’s what she wanted. One borrowed money from her ex for gas; another borrowed a car. I’m not bragging (well, maybe a little); I’m just saying that when they’re into a guy, they’re not easily stopped. When they cooled on me, suddenly there was always something blocking them: car trouble, work, dead relatives, etc.

    So, 10-to-1 she’s lying, but I wouldn’t call her on it, because it’d serve no purpose. I know from experience that a typical woman can lie circles around me, especially now that she’s had several days to get her story straight. Even if I do pin her down and *prove* she was lying, what have I gained? If she was lying because she’s already on the way out of the relationship, I probably just cost myself a last few rolls in the hay. If she was lying because she was having some sort of “closure” weekend with the ex and is now ready to commit to me like something out of a dumb chick flick, then I just spoiled her romantic plotline. If this was all something that she got out of a relationship advice column that said, “After six weeks, disappear mysteriously for a weekend to see if he reacts possessively,” then making a big deal about it is only going to convince her I’m a bad guy.

    The bottom line is she either didn’t want to talk to me or just didn’t care. The reason why doesn’t matter that much.

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  58. “Her next text: “You’re a little obsessed with alcohol.”

    Me: “Nah, just with some pretty girl I met last night.”

    Me: ;P

    Instead you could have replied:”

    my take (assist from doug):

    Me: “not really – was just keeping up with you drunken singers.”

    “i gotta go – good luck with your event this weekend – i’ll ping you after. keep yourself free for me next week.”

    closes the convo down, puts you in charge, sets up expectations for later.

    from this point – Sunday night:

    “hey. let’s get drinks tuesday in the city. (place, time). i wonder if i’ll like you as much sober as i did drunk. ”

    both those texts may call too much attention to alcohol. which aeofe pointed out may be a problem in her mind. depends on why she was asking about it in today’s msgs.

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  59. “She didn’t tell my friend the reason for her hasty exit because her girl friend had requested that her problem be kept secret.”

    Chyeah. Whatever. Like it would matter if anyone knew: her “friend” lives in Upper Volta without telephone reception, or apparently a goddamned land line telephone machine. How would anyone be able to communicate this “friend’s” secrets? I mean, there is no way of getting information into or out of where she lives. Your friend is pwned; tell him to put a freaking rubber on his willie.

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  60. so mo, you think I should try contact on Sunday night anyway, instead of 2 weeks instead of roissy rec?

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  61. LR: “I would NEVER assume I was supposed to be exclusively seeing one man unless he and I had discussed it and agreed to be monogamus.”

    Lol; that’s because you’re a slut, dude! Probably also why you can’t spell “monogamous.”

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  62. @aaron – very good analysis, but wrong conclusion . it does matter why she lied – each of your scenarios has significantly different outcomes for you. plus, she lied – if you don’t either call her on it or boot her, you’re establihsing a pattern that it’s OK for you to be lied to. both with her and with yourself. doesn’t even matter if she’s not LTR material, or if you just want a few more fucks, it’s the principle of the thing. about respect, not expediency.

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  63. LR: I’m not endorsing Roissy’s whole bit but … yeah, most ladies I know don’t spend a lot time seeing, sleeping, affectioning with one man while stepping out. It doesn’t even sound appealing.

    I’d assume the assumption went both ways though, all you manwhores.

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  64. if a girl wants to project an image of high quality and of one who is discriminating about who she bangs, she has to expect that a worthy man she is dating will hold her in the sort of high regard that is only reserved for women who aren’t playing dick sandwich with multiple lovers. this assumption will exist for darwinian reasons whether notarized by formal conversation or not.

    This is something mothers and grandmothers taught their girls before the feminazi movement. A woman who wanted to be treated like a lady acted like a lady. A woman who wanted to sleep around got the treatment she deserved.

    A growing majority of women are completely clueless about this today (exhibit A: Lady Duh). And they wonder why they get pumped and dumped, and why no man ever wants to commit to them. Except, of course, lap dog betas who would lick their feet for the promise of some pussy. But they don’t want that.

    Women choose in the sexual marketplace and like it or not, as a group they get exactly what they select for. In the old days women were more sexually reserved and selected for men who would respect their modesty, and pursue them to a commitment and marriage. And men saw them as worthy of those things because of their behavior, because their actions backed up their demand for respect. Note that they didn’t just hold out sex as a prize for commitment. They were more feminine, more supportive, more loyal, and far less of a risk in a marriage. They were actually worth having around for more than their bodies.

    Today women act like men sexually and think it’s OK for them to sleep around, and act like conceited bitches at the same time. They select for a carousel of Alpha cock and then wonder why men see them as sluts not worthy or respect, commitment, or marriage.

    If you’re looking for as much pussy as you can bang, it’s a great day and age, full of sluts to fulfill every deviant desire. If you’re a man and have any illusions of marriage or family, this is a hard time to live. Move to Utah and see if you can pick up the scraps of what’s left of religious women in America. Or give up and learn game so you can pump and dump, which just what the girls want.

    Tit for tat, that’s the only compromise there is.

    Girls, you can recite feminist lies like this one until you’re blue in the face. No matter what he tells you, no man will respect you in the morning or see you as anything more than a warm, wet hole if you have an “Always Open” sign on your pussy. You can no more expect this to change than you can expect a man to carry your baby in his stomach. The world is the way it is. Live with it.

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  65. lurker

    “G, doug1, and aoefe thanks for the boosts and the analyses. Always appreciated.

    Citius, altius, fortius.”

    Brevior saltare cum deformibus mulieribus est vita.

    translation:

    Life is too short to dance with ugly women.

    – MPM

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  66. “any girl fucking a man crazy and showering him with affection will have to live with the fact that there are unspoken expectations placed on her behavior by her lover. despite the current conventional wisdom by PUAs and feminists alike, formal discussions of exclusivity are not required for a man to safely make assumptions about his woman’s degree of sluttiness or fidelity. the mere fact of her affection, lovemaking, and decision to enjoy the pleasure of his company is enough for him to rationally assume she is not sharing her pussy with other cocks. you may not like this double standard, but it isn’t going anywhere fast because it arises from the very fundamental differences between men’s and women’s psychological profiles.”

    I feel like this is falling into the madonna/whore trap. Here’s what probably happened in this situation.

    Most likely it was an ex of hers that called her up. Perhaps he had an emergency or the two of them just had a relapse. Maybe she was with him for years before she got together with your friend and wanted to see him and have closure. Whatever the case was, she took some time for herself, probably rode his cock and, most likely, is done with him for whatever reason it ended before.

    She’s not a virgin and nor is she a whore for doing this. She’s a woman who has complicated, mixed feelings. Women are good at that.

    Guys need to be good at dealing with that, getting angry and pulling away where appropriate, and letting sleeping dogs lie where appropriate.

    I don’t think her little weekend away is any reflection on her love for him. Thinking it is is very guy-oriented thinking.

    I’m boning three super-hot girls right now and I still miss my ex like the dickens, even though I dumped her.

    Mixed emotions.

    “if a girl wants to project an image of high quality and of one who is discriminating about who she bangs, she has to expect that a worthy man she is dating will hold her in the sort of high regard that is only reserved for women who aren’t playing dick sandwich with multiple lovers. this assumption will exist for darwinian reasons whether notarized by formal conversation or not.”

    I agree. She was sketchy in this situation. It is a warning sign that there are other factors at play with this girl. She has feelings for someone else.

    Almost every girl I date probably has some kind of feelings for an ex. That’s why I start the relationship off slow. I see them casually at first. Always. No matter how interested I am, the first few weeks I only see her once a week or less. I keep it casual until she is begging for more.

    If she begs for more and I accept, anything like the sketchy weekend getaway is a red flag that gets a termination notice from me.

    But during the time I see her casually, I do not try to account for all of her time. Putting constraints on her before she’s begged for exclusivity makes me the needy one.

    Eric Disco

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  67. @Lurker – i didn’t see a roissy response – maybe it’s on the other thread. yeah, i wouldn’t wait longer than a few days. the thrill of the drunken makeout is still a recent memory, and it will be forgotten in two weeks. “oh that dude – whatever.” women like to be led and pursued, so letting the situation get cold is losing momentum, a la roissy’s stripper story. she gave you a clear green light with today’s flirty text. if you don’t put enough energy, humor and creativity into it, she won’t be interested. you have to lead. if she blows you off sunday, then i’d wait and see, maybe move on. but she did tell you she was busy until saturday, clearly implying she’s free after, so just step up. one supplicatory text should not screw that up, imho. you can fix that with texts clearly qualifying her, as the above two recommendations were intended to do.

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  68. Lupo, you are an ass.

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  69. LR,

    Don’t you have another out-of-wedlock bastard to be conceiving?

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  70. @willard- not much tit there, though. check the pics.

    @eric – the madonna/whore thing is real for us, just like the cad/dad thing is for women. they’re not a trap, illusion, or social construct: they’re deeply ingrained psychological tendencies that represent bifurcated evolutionary/reproductive strategies. the madonna is the mother of our chidren; the whore is the receptacle for seed slung elsewhere that may grow up and reproduce. for women, the dad is the beta provider, the cad the alpha with aggressive, top-of-the-heap behaviors – a mark of superior genes.

    remember the study in which women are attracted to alphas when they are ovulating and betas when they are not? there ya go. (i actually wonder about the accuracy of that experiment, but if it’s not true it should be.) seven year itch, midlife crisis – plan a (family) secure, time to spread the seed outside. these are subconscious impulses behind our behaviors that none of us consciously choose, but are so widely recognized, across history and every culture, that they’ve got to be real.

    @G, lurker – the funniest latin phrase in recent years was after 9/11, in which a pickup line – “If you don’t sleep with me, the terrorists win” – was translated into latin. looked for it on the web (i think it was in the economist), but i couldn’t find it.)

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  71. disco fever:
    Putting constraints on her before she’s begged for exclusivity makes me the needy one.

    what we have here is a failure to standardize our terms of discussion. when i think of “constraints” i imagine a guy telling his girl (six weeks together) that he’s not cool with her spending weekends out of town without him. iow, he’s laying down the law.

    but calling a girl out when she has clearly engaged in some disrespect of your pride as a man is not possessive or needy. it’s not a constraint on her to inform her that it was weird of her to avoid sending a three word text letting him know why she was scooting off for the weekend under mysterious circumstances. it’s simple courtesy and consideration for a man she has spent weeks fucking. if she perceives the man’s affrontery as being indicative of neediness, then that says more about her untrustworthiness as a girlfriend than it does about his self-confidence.

    bottom line: it’s a slut tell.

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  72. on June 12, 2009 at 6:55 pm QUESTION FOR ROISSY AND OTHER PUAS

    A question for Roissy and other PUAs:

    Do you think that a guy can be an alpha, have game, or be a PUA if he is an intellectual?

    In other words: is it possible to be both an alpha (with game) as well as an intellectual?

    The reason I ask is that so many modern intellectuals are clearly not alphas – they are overwhelmingly effete, PC/leftist, and often effeminate.

    So is it possible to be an alpha (with game) who is also an intellectual?

    Perhaps you could do a post which explores this interesting question/topic?

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  73. My bullshit meter is pretty finely tuned. If a chick gave me an excuse like that I wouldn’t even consider the possibility of it being anything other than a boldface lie.

    If you are hot and heavy in the sack with a chick (commitment, implied commitment, or no commitment) who pulls this kind of disappearing act with no contact she was off fucking someone else, no question about it.

    This chick would automatically be disqualified for a relationship with me. I don’t care how much I like her.

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  74. Listen, I don’t mean to be critical or criticize your blog or the “players” on them or even the peeps who leave drive by comments BUT –

    Have you ever thought that it might be the quality of women ya’ll are meeting? I mean, it sounds like a pattern and I daresay it could be geographical. These are status seeking DC chicks after all. While I have yet to peruse your whole blog, I have the feeling that such is true.

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  75. So is it possible to be an alpha (with game) who is also an intellectual?

    we need to firm up the loose stool of this word intellectual. if by intellectual you mean garden variety smarts, then of course it’s possible for a smart man to be an alpha. those kinds of alphas are often the most devastating ones for women to handle, because unlike dumb naturals they have the tools to take their game to the highest levels, and always on their terms. see the movie ‘in the company of men’ for an example of a smart, cruel alpha.

    bookish snobs who can only speak in the queen’s english and self-define as intellectual are probably more of the effete sort you’re thinking of. most of these types lack the sack to get viscerally sexual on a girl’s ass, which at some point you have to do if you want to bag the hottest prey.

    nerds are smart, but are too aspergery to connect with women emotionally.

    academics are a mixed lot. those in the humanities and arts do well with women because they are in touch with what makes women tick. they understand the feminine force and even adopt some behaviors and thinking of the female mind in order to lull their targets into their web of seduction. but those in the maths and tech fields are too masculine-brained and inner-world directed to fully grasp the nuances of the male female mating dance.

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  76. @stiletto – yes, that’s a theme here as well. “lawyer chicks” a hated subspecies. the theory of game/pickup is universal and works anywhere – has to be calibrated to the context, situation, individuals in question. so no, it’s not just the DC or NY women, it’s female behavior in general, certain aggravating aspects of which are exaggerated in places like DC.

    why are you here, btw? how did you find the board? always interested to know when new female visitors show up. welcome!

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  77. DA:

    Sounds like the inverse of a platonic relationship. Think of a vagina, but remove all urges to fuck it while keeping the cuddling urges.

    What are you talking about? Cuddling a vagina while refusing to fuck it?

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  78. Maurice, I was here some months, possibly a year ago. How HAD I found my way here (man, is that a proper sentence? If not who give a fuck), I cannot tell you. Possibly through Douche, er, Roosh, bags, site.

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  79. Listen, why don’t you guys be honest with yourselves. If you seek stereotypical women, you will get stereotypical women. Sometimes, you have to look outside your “realm” and think outside the “box” (in more ways than one).

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  80. Ah! New wrinkle!

    Just now received a text from her, 6 hours + later:

    “Aw, that was sweet.”

    How does this affect everyone’s advice?

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  81. How does this affect everyone’s advice?

    she responded 6 hours later? not good, but you’re still in the game. her reply sounds like an LJBF, like a text DA might get, so you need to push her away now.

    send her a text an hour from now. examples:

    “you sound like my mom.”

    “damn, already spoiled you.”

    “that’s great. you know what would be sweeter? you buying the next round.”

    you get the idea.

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  82. on June 12, 2009 at 7:38 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Stiletto:

    “BTW, if there is any trust in your friend’s relationship, then there is no need to over analyze this so called “flakiness.”
    Only if there’s a pattern then I understand but if it’s an isolated incident so what. You shouldn’t plant the seeds of distrust in your friend’s head which will end up making him a bitch.”

    The most foolish thing people do is trust people in positions of “trust” instead of having a healthy does of suspicion.

    This goes for wives, police officers, doctors, you name it.

    Giving someone a free pass for bad behavior merely invites more of it.

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  83. thanks roissy

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  84. agree with roissy – wait at least an hour to reply, make it funny, curt, and qualifying (i like his second example best), shut the exchange down quickly tonight, then ping again per the above on sunday night to set up the second date. back from extinction-level… jurassic game.

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  85. Lawyer I’m just not sure about that. If you are speaking from a place of being “burned” then I understand where you are coming from. But I have seen the other side, and that is when there is a good explanation, and that happened to be the explanation that was given.

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  86. on June 12, 2009 at 7:43 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Stiletto:

    “Listen, why don’t you guys be honest with yourselves. If you seek stereotypical women, you will get stereotypical women. Sometimes, you have to look outside your “realm” and think outside the “box” (in more ways than one).”

    I am sure you’re as individual as a snowflake, Stiletto, but when I’m skiing it’s all just white ice to me.

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  87. “i gotta go – good luck with your event this weekend – i’ll ping you after. keep yourself free for me next week.”

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  88. on June 12, 2009 at 7:46 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Stiletto:

    “Lawyer I’m just not sure about that. If you are speaking from a place of being “burned” then I understand where you are coming from. But I have seen the other side, and that is when there is a good explanation, and that happened to be the explanation that was given.”

    I’m not talking paranoid, follow her around jealous. If that’s where you’re coming from.

    But most people blindly accept explanations from people because they “trust” them. When if they weren’t in a position of trust a person would call Bullshit on it.

    This is a huge mistake most people make, they trust people because of the relationship.

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  89. Stiletto, do you have some Firefox add-on in your browser? “Random empty platitude comment generator” or something?

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  90. thanks mo

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  91. LR:

    If this is a rule that women are supposedly aware of, no one ever told me!! I would NEVER assume I was supposed to be exclusively seeing one man unless he and I had discussed it and agreed to be monogamus.

    I knew you’d say this.

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  92. No, Joe, being a Southern girl, we just talk like that. But if you have a “specific asshole” browser add on,” then I’d believe it.

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  93. BTW, I speak from my heart. If you have take issue with that, then you need to look within.

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  94. “But most people blindly accept explanations from people because they “trust” them. When if they weren’t in a position of trust a person would call Bullshit on it.”

    And you should because when will it stop?

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  95. on June 12, 2009 at 8:03 pm David on ipod

    Re: Markku

    I meant that I would basically disassociate sexual attraction from women that other men would find attractive in order to maintain a platonic relationship.

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  96. [email protected]
    “What are you talking about? Cuddling a vagina while refusing to fuck it?”

    Something along the lines of..

    frottage

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  97. How about:
    “Hey … i know you weren’t with a girlfriend. that’s cool. relationships can be tricky … it’s ok to see an ex … etc”

    Draw her out. I’m sure roissy has used this technique to draw out sluts in another post.

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  98. @lurker

    Roissy suggested texting:

    “you sound like my mom.”

    “damn, already spoiled you.”

    “that’s great. you know what would be sweeter? you buying the next round.”

    Here’s my one cents (I’m a chick I only get one).

    I wouldn’t mention your mom or the drink thing. We get what Roissy meant but she’s not reading this blog she may take it as awww you’re just like my mom (not good to a woman) and for the buy next time comment she may see it confirming the obsesson with alcohol mention she’d made earlier.

    How bout saying : I think you have me confused with someone else.

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  99. Oh that’s just perfect. First a stripper and now we have a porn star: stilleto.

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  100. A porn star? Bwahaha. Most AWESOME!

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  101. I am going to frame this:

    The best time to lay down the hammer of hurt is when it’s least expected.

    Thanks, Roissy.

    But, back to this flaky girl. The guy should just conclude she is unreliable. Add this to her other demerits (age, no money, DC chick), and she is definitely not a keeper. DON’T TELL HER THIS. Let the relationship continue as before. Keep her around. Enjoy her. Use her to work on your long term relationship Game. “Cheat” on her. See how long she will stay with you based on your Game while your treatment of her steadily deteriorates.

    You see what I mean. Use her for practice in all sorts of ways. When she finally has had enough, tell her you are sorry it didn’t work out. BUT NEVER TELL HER THE TRUTH.

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  102. Anonymous noted:

    Oh that’s just perfect. First a stripper and now we have a porn star: stilleto.

    Does that mean an almost 800 reply thread entitled
    “Is Stiletto In This Porno?”

    Uh Oh!

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  103. @default

    You’re sooo cute!

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  104. Default

    Yeah why not? take a look at her picture dude, what do you see? I see a cheap hooker.

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  105. aoefe (a woman of great taste) mentioned that

    @default

    You’re sooo cute!

    Yeah, I know
    .
    .
    .
    .
    [Back at you sweetie <3]

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  106. @Stiletto “Lupo, you are an ass.”

    And you’re a horse faced piece of genetic flotsam with narrow hips and a fake rack, but I was too polite to say anything until you spoke up.

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  107. Stiletto –

    Pay no mind to Lady Rain, who’s devalued herself by way of constant, mind numbing, long winded, and poorly constructed posts.

    Don’t come off as a crazy bitch, and you will not be treated as such. Simple as that.

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  108. “And you’re a horse faced piece of genetic flotsam with narrow hips and a fake rack, but I was too polite to say anything until you spoke up.’

    Uh, yeah. 36 inch hips are narrow. LMAO

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  109. Lady Trailor Prole says,

    Stiletto–

    In case no one else fills you in, if you are an attractive, somewhat independent woman then in RoissyLand you are either a “slut” or a “femnazi” or a “dyke”.

    What would you know about that?

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  110. on June 12, 2009 at 9:33 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Stiletto:

    “BTW, I speak from my heart.”

    I wouldn’t expect anything else.

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  111. on June 12, 2009 at 9:35 pm Lawyer from Hell

    “Uh, yeah. 36 inch hips are narrow. LMAO”

    They are if you’re attributes are: 35-60-36

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  112. on June 12, 2009 at 9:38 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Stiletto”

    ““And you’re a horse faced piece of genetic flotsam with narrow hips and a fake rack, but I was too polite to say anything until you spoke up.’

    Uh, yeah. 36 inch hips are narrow. LMAO”

    You do realize that by omission you have conceded that you are: 1) horse faced 2) genetic flotsam and 3) have a fake rack?

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  113. I have a fake rack but definitely no horse face LOL

    In fact, I find Julia Roberts and similar horse faced women quite attractive and to be lumped in the same category would be an honor.

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  114. I have a fake rack but definitely no horse face LOL

    Show us a picture of your rack.

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  115. Lol; the really funny thing about ole Horse Face, is she is a lady bodybuilder, with photos of her apparently shooting steroids on her website. I’d show you all, but she seems to have turned her blog to private. That’s why her face looks like a horse, and her hips are as narrow as mine are. She has decent pipes though … for a guy.

    Fortunately, thanks to the miracle of the browser cache:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showgallery.php?ppuser=2578051&cat=500

    The most flattering of the photos, even if it is a little … erm, gender confused:
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=4813973&ppuser=2578051

    Ms. Stiletto is a sort of reducto ad absurdam of the human devolution that is ruining our society. Women taking male hormones to become more … um, “sexy.”

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  116. on June 12, 2009 at 10:19 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    I would prefer not to see any fake racks again, Tood. I’m still not over the trauma of having to deal with one decades ago. The US is pretty good at making everything illegal; I wonder why they haven’t gotten around to fake breasts yet.

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  117. Fake tits are as disgusting as a bone through a bush-woman’s nostrils or a saucer sewn into the lower lip.

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  118. Well, to each their own. Don’t fault you.

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  119. on June 12, 2009 at 10:40 pm Lawyer from Hell

    LR:

    “Thank you for proving my point. Of course these women exist, but who would consider the traits you mentioned above as “high quality” woman?”

    Here’s the funny thing, they all think of themselves as “high quality” they are all liberal independant feminists.

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  120. Fake tits are as disgusting as a bone through a bush-woman’s nostrils or a saucer sewn into the lower lip.

    Correction: Flat tits are as disgusting as a bone through a bush-woman’s nostrils or a saucer sewn into the lower lip.

    We need Medicaid sponsored breast, ass, and collegen implants for all women.

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  121. Flat boobies with tiny little nipples on a petite woman are electrifyingly sexy.

    And you messed up the parallelism. Silicone and bones/saucers are “enhancements” that disfigure something that is already lovely. Your retort made no sense.

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  122. I cite the wives of Eliot Spitzer, Tony Villaraigosa, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gavin Newsome, to name a few, who put up with not just cheating but mega-cheating.

    If a guy is powerful enough, and more powerful than the woman, she’ll put it up with almost anything for a long, long time. [Both Newsome’s and Villaraigosas wives got cheated on many, many, many times before divorce. Villaraigosa, with a close friend of hers, and her husband’s buddy’s wife.]

    Meanwhile, actresses don’t put up with cheating because it’s rare that their guys are more powerful than they are: examples being Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke. Of course Weeds lead Mary-Louise Parker got dumped by Billy Crudup (while pregnant) for Claire Danes and Parker still yearns for the guy.

    This girl is just not into the guy. If she cared, she would have called. She was banging the ex boyfriend. Dump her. Move on.

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  123. “Lady” Raine: “I am simply stating that no woman with any self respect would assume that she’s supposed to sit at home and wait for a guy to “share” his penis with her while she’s mistakenly being monogamus. Most women would call that pathetic and desperate so that’s hardly the “norm”.”

    No, most remotely normal women wouldn’t be taking it bareback and showering affection on guy one…and also doing this with guys 2, 3, and 4…and then be shocked when she is considered a slut. She IS a slut, if that word has any meaning at all. So hey, just be honest about it. Let your slut flag fly.

    But the Slut Mentality will always find a way to rationalize her herpes and clap spreading behavior: “But we didn’t have a formal conversation about monogamy – so why shouldn’t I be rawdogged by the nearest basketball team? A slut? Who, lil’ ol me?”

    Whore Logic. It’s a real bitch.

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  124. on June 13, 2009 at 12:22 am Lawyer from Hell

    LR:

    “If he’s having sex without a condom and endorsing it with someone you have only been with for 6 weeks, then I sincerely hope that he gets the AIDS he deserves.”

    NO ONE FUCKING DESERVES AIDS!

    I don’t care who they are, or what there lifestyle is.

    If you have a soul, it’s tar.

    You are no lady to say such a thing. You have truly revealed yourself for what you are in that comment.

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  125. on June 13, 2009 at 12:42 am do not feed the animals

    you guys still care about this loser
    save your time and energy: do not feed the trolls

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  126. on June 13, 2009 at 12:44 am Lawyer from Hell

    You are correct, DNFTA. She is dead to me.

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  127. DT nails it.

    I was just having this conversation yesterday w/my ace Zam; he asked me why so there’s so much animosity btw Black Men & Women nowadays, when that didn’t seem to be the case say, half a century ago.

    My response to him was that his perceptions were right; and that the “coarsening of the culture” we’ve all heard about is due in large part, to (Second Wave) Feminism.

    Think about it: Women are the great socializers of Men, which is why marriage is so important. But, as DT pointed out, Feminists pushed the idea that marriage was inherently rigged against Women, and that they can “bun & run” just as much, if not better, than any Man.

    What Feminists-and since I’m talking about Black folks here, let’s be honest-White Women who are comfortably upper middle class-didnt tell their lower-tiered Sisters, was that “bun & run” (or what my White brothers like to call “pump & dump”) is an inherently a Man’s game-always has been, always will be. And you don’t need to be a Chess Grandmaster to know, if you play by your opponent’s rules, you will lose.

    The reason why there is a perceptible uptick in the animosity btw Black Men and Women in our time is because there are simply too many Black Women like “Simone” running around-who has been on national tv (Maury), tested NINE different Men to be the daddy of her *son* (hint hint), NONE of whom tested positive. Now, let’s be clear here: we’re not talking about 9 Men over the course of the last decade-we’re talking about 9 Men over the course of a month, and I’m being generous at that. There can be only one word, one name, that can be applied to such a Woman:

    Slut. Or as we like to say in the hood, a Ho.

    No amount of Feminist yammering about “double standards” or “patriarchy” is gonna change the fact that Simone’s chances for EVER finding a Man worth his salt to be in her life for longer than a fortnight are long indeed-which is truly sad, because if any Woman needs Good Men, its Women like Simone-she’s got a Manchild to raise.

    Now, its all but certain, she’ll be alone.

    Hip Hop’s taken it on the chin in more recent years for its purported “misogynist tendencies”. I say to those who hold such a view, that they are wrong: what the rappers are doing is talking, in brutally honest ways, about the Female sexual nature unleashed-which has happened over the course of the past four decades, thanks to what Roissy was called the Four Sirens. Rappers saw what was coming down the pike, and talked about it in brutal politically incorrect fashion, long before Mystery, Style, or anyone else wrote about Game.

    People often will cite the over SEVENTY PERCENT out of wedlock birthrate, and ask “What’s wrong w/Black people?”. What they need to be asking is “Why aren’t more Black Men going down the aisle?”.

    The answer, is pretty obvious.

    In many ways, a lot more than we’re willing to admit in polite company, the reason is in the form of Sistas like Simone.

    I’ve said it before, and it bears repeating: Feminism’s biggest losers, are and will be, Women. They’re playing a game they cannot win.

    Comment & reply, invited.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  128. “Lady” Raine: “90% of your post didn’t even make any sense.”

    It makes sense to normal people, whether they agree or disagree. Perhaps it doesn’t make sense to those who use Whore Logic.

    LR: “If he’s having sex without a condom and endorsing it with someone you have only been with for 6 weeks, then I sincerely hope that he gets the AIDS he deserves.”

    The original post indicates that this is a romantic relationship, going hot and heavy, and not just a casual fling (from the guy’s perspective, anyway). You say that he “deserves” AIDs. You are a bona fide nutcase.

    Now, this isn’t to say that what he is doing is wise, or that what he is doing is the best way to go about things. But that’s life in Post America. We have no indication that he is operating in anything but good faith. He simply has the misfortune to operate in the Shitculture. And you, advocate of the Shitculture that you are, have the gall to wish AIDs on a guy like that. Class act, all the way. Or just more Whore Logic.

    LR: “Please google the word “monogamy”. It does not mean “sex without a condom” so I don’t know where you got the ammo to fabricate a story like that about me, but I never mentioned anything relating to sex either with or without a condom.”

    No need to lie. I didn’t fabricate a story about you at all. I simply pointed out that your position amounts to Whore Logic.

    LR: “A woman who is satisfied remaining monogamous while her significant other sleeps around is not “whorish” it’s logical. If you think a woman who is satisfied getting sloppy seconds is a top notch woman then I have to wonder if you have ever even MET a woman.”

    I didn’t address that issue at all, so nice straw man. Also, there was no indication that the guy was cheating on her.

    So the reality is that, based on what we know, the guy did nothing wrong. The “Lady’s” conclusion, as best I can surmise from her babble: she owes him nothing, not so much as an explanation. If she goes out to get rawdogged, that’s her business – not his. After all, they never formally agreed on monogamy, context and totality of circumstances be damned. And, for good measure, he deserves AIDs. LOL! You are Exhibit A for nutjob.

    Whore Logic, it’s a bitch.

    Rock on,
    Ryder

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  129. on June 13, 2009 at 1:54 am Dave from Hawaii

    Hey Ob…you ever heard of “Diary of a Tired Black Man?”

    If not, you really need to check it out!

    http://www.tiredblackman.com/

    Click on the pic of the DVD on the home page and watch the original trailer.

    It’s righteous.

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  130. You can blame feminism all you want, but the fact is that many African-Americans have little familiarity with successful family formation and thus civilization. The slave owner has been replaced by the state. Hip hop as some kind of truth teller and omniscient voice is absurd if you are not pointing out how poorly you all treat your women and that is not the fault of any feminism that is the fault of the absence of a clear successful father figure.

    If you want to blame anyone blame Lyndon Johnson and the war on poverty for taking away the role of a father and replacing it with welfare so the black man could roam free and pump n dump while the mother collects from the taxpayer.

    But, mostly blame fathers for not being actual fathers.

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  131. on June 13, 2009 at 1:59 am Lawyer from Hell

    Willard Libby:

    “hope OJ Simpson get AIDS and dies a horrible death in prison. Same with Phil Spector and all the child molesters and rapists in our prison system.

    Let them get AIDS and rot in hell.”

    If you want someone dead, that’s one thing, but the thing about those kinds of lists, everyone is on someone’s somewhere.

    And quit white knighting, it isn’t going to get you laid.

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  132. One thing I think is important to take into account with the traditional family ideal is that, throughout history, a good percentage of people have been raised in single-parent homes due to death from disease, famine, war, etc.

    Many of the accomplishments of civilization arose from people raised in such homes. Thus, while it is regrettable that the two family household is in decline, I do not believe that it will inevitably lead to the decline of civilization. What is needed to make up for the decrease in two-parent households is elective eugenics via reproductive technologies.

    Take women in ghettos, for example. The prospects of many of these women for finding high-quality, stable mates is low. And yet, many of them want to have children. We can encourage them not to have children, but this will likely do little to remedy the problem. These women are very lonely (remember, many of their prospective mates are potentially abusive or prone to substance abuse problems), and many of these women want children. They’d like to have them with men who stick around, so they try to settle for guys that get them pregnant and then get abusive or abandon them.

    We need to liberalize the effects of single motherhood with artificial insemination. A kid may not have the benefits of a two parent household, but we can at least do what we can to give the kid a chance at having genes on his or her side. Women desiring to become single mothers who pass basic tests for suitability should be given incentives to artificially inseminate themselves. There wouldn’t be racial constraints–women could get inseminated with sperm of any race or combination of races that they want.

    I know that many people here disdain the notion of single motherhood, but I think it may be the best chance that America has of uplifting its underclass. What do you think about this idea?

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  133. Sluggers,
    I continue to be amazed by just how many folks of your ilk come crawling out of the woodwork when anyone mentions the words “Black” or “African American”.

    I also continue to be amazed by just how many of your kind are so woefully ignorant of basic facts.

    The truth is, that one of the first things Blacks did, coming out of Slavery, WAS GET MARRIED. Look it up. Marriage among African slaves was of course, illegal.

    Moreover, we can track the marital rates going at least as far as WW1; up until the early 60s, Black marital rates (which is really a proxy for Black dad in the home rates) remained high, if I recall alright at least 60% if not better?

    But by the time the year 2000 rolled around, the Black marital rate fell to just under 40%, where it is today, again, if I recall alright.

    John McWhorter, among a great many others, has writen about this, btw. Check in w/Henry Louis Gates for Blacks getting married coming out from under Reconstruction.

    You are right though, to point out that the LBJ’s Great Society program did a great deal to spur on the OOW birthrate, but it was only a piece of a larger puzzle; it doesn’t for example, account for Roe v Wade, important here because Black Women have more abortions, on average, that any other group of American Women. Nor does the *cultural shift* from married to non-married/single mom-headed homes can be traced directly back to LBJ alone; radical Feminism played a biggr role here than we’d like to admit, along with the general permissiveness of the 60s and 70s.

    Simply put, Women’s Liberation meant liberation for Men, too-and not of the best in Men. As Women have always been the sexual gatekeepers, they determine what kind of Man will be in demand. The LBJ programs, the Pill/Abortion, the changed cultural mores due in large part to Feminism, and eventually, expanded economic opportunities offered to Black Women, all but guaranteed the collapse of the Black Nuclear Family.

    As for your remarks regarding Hip Hop, I think even a casual listening to it in these regards speaks for itself and buttresses my earlier points on that score.

    And finally, I find it odd that you would speak of African American Men in such a way that they/we have the corner on “treating Women badly”; if the “hookup” culture, and indeed, some corners of the PUA community, are indication at all, you White fellas don’t do a half bad job of dissing your Women yourselves.

    Holla back

    O

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  134. Obsidian

    Excellent post.
    Feminist women these days have lost touch with the simple fact that guys will commit to a woman only if 1. They believe she finds him sexually attractive and 2. she will not fuck around.
    If a guy is beta, he learns to doubt that number 1 could be reliably true. If an alpha, he knows that number 2 is false.
    Checkmate, ladies.

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  135. There can be only one word, one name, that can be applied to such a Woman:

    My preferred word choice here was “idiot”.

    And you don’t need to be a Chess Grandmaster to know, if you play by your opponent’s rules, you will lose.

    It’s not that bad. The alpha males get sex. The women get sex with alphas. The beta males aren’t bothered by women who lie to them, and they’re free to use their income to make themselves happy.

    And if beta males were magically lovable, why are these women choosing to date the same alpha males en masse in lieu of a beta male? For all intents and purposes, the experiment has played itself out, and it proves that beta males just are not competitive with their alpha counterparts, and thus indirectly proves the idea that women only enter into relationships with betas for ulterior motives.

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  136. Gatson,
    While you do make some good points, overall your idea is not likely to work IMHO, for one major reason:

    It removes the “human” element from the equation.

    It is in the physical act of joining w/another, to create a child, that is as important to so many Black Women, as the child born itself. I simply do not see a mass exodus of Black Women running downtown for a date w/the turkeybaster. Many will in the end choose to do it the old-fashioned way.

    What needs to happen is that we a society need to get serious about putting Black Men to work. Particularly those who’ve been in jail. That is the only real solution here, since Black Women really only see Black Men as their rightful mates, for the most part. Of course, what I’m proposing will take a lot of, simply put, balls, because the very mention of suggesting any wide-ranging public policy addressing the economic needs of Black Men enmasse is sure to ignite a backlash, if not a whole heck of a lot of kneejerking on the part of quite a few White Men, many of whom are themselves feeling the economic crunch, and who have an axe to grind wrt Affirmative Action, they their targets are misguided (they need to be addressing White Women in the main getting over on AA).

    Comments?

    O

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  137. Dave Alex,
    After I answer your questions in response to my comments, you’d be doing me a big favor if you refrained from ever responding to anything I write here ever again.

    As always, you prefer to see the world through a window instead of a door. The economic incentives, be it jobs in their own right or Welfare, simply bumped the one major weapon, if you will, a Beta Black Male had-a steady income w/which to provide for the family, by definition a longterm construct.

    Because of the changed rules of the game so to speak, Beta Black Males were pretty much rendered obsolete, and in their place Alpha Black Males became the sought after choice. Of course, Alpha Males of any color, tend to be rather dad & hubbie material generally-but since dad/hubbie goodies, like money, to say nothing of providing a structure to raise kids in (especially boys), had been replaced either directly or indirectly by the state (again, Welfare or Affirmative Action/Feminism), Women were free to choose mates, but their choices were short term-based and ultimately not good choices for the aforementioned reasons. Simply put Dave, Betas build sustain and maintain families. Alphas show you a good time, knock you up and might hang around for the birth. Not much after that.

    Like all other animal and even plant life on the planet Dave, human beings as as much impacted by their environment as their innate abilities and foiables. When Women, Black or otherwise, experienced a change in ther environment, they adapted to said changes. The trick though, is “change” ain’t always good; it only means different-and more often than not, can mean very bad.

    Now, please leave me alone.

    The Obsidian

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  138. @Willard Libby

    Have you read the following post? If not have a read, you might see where the distaste is coming from. Be prepared to read all night, lots of comments.

    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/how-to-prey-on-womens-insecurities/

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  139. “I’d like to know where this hostile fascination is coming from. Is it because roissy doesn’t like her so now his buddies are joining in to show that they are members in good standing on the roissy team?”

    I think she massively DHV’d roissy when she made whatever comment that provoked him to write a post about her. Or maybe roissy just DLV’d himself.

    While I definitely think she is the worst kind of mother, and a bad kind of woman, I don’t think it was a good idea for roissy to give her the attention she so desires. It is deleterious for the site in general if the author and the commentariat continue to focus attention on her. Just ignore her, like a deranged panhandler, and eventually she’ll flee back to more pathetic pastures like “Cracked”.

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  140. Rum

    Feminist women these days have lost touch with the simple fact that guys will commit to a woman only if 1. They believe she finds him sexually attractive and 2. she will not fuck around.
    If a guy is beta, he learns to doubt that number 1 could be reliably true. If an alpha, he knows that number 2 is false.

    So what you are saying is that it is only alphas who have enough life experience to know that all women are at bottom devilish whores?

    I like the way you think. We seem to share the same resource of knowledge that Dorien Grey eventually came to know.

    Only Alphas know women – you need breadth and depth of experience with them to see the patterns and big pictures. And the wisdom of experience paints women in the most unflattering colors. At least they still smell good.

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  141. “Only Alphas know women . . .” – xsplat.

    Either that or Alpha males know how to dominate and get what they want. Then again, if Alpha males could typified as those will loads of money who get to drive the new cars whilst they’re new and couldn’t even be bothered with the ‘as new’ used cars then it’s not all doom&gloom if Betas can be typified with some money but not a lot who can snag a decent used car that still got a lot of kilometres left in it. Maybe the decent Betas are the ones who can afford the ‘as new’ used cars (5+ years old) whilst less decent Betas can get by with the plain used cars (10+ years old) whilst Omegas keep riding pushbikes.

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  142. Women are not, imho, “devilish” anything. It is just that, for them, too much self-awareness of their true instincts gets in the way of them accomplishing their mission.

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  143. I mean, what would it feel like to be a woman who was vividly aware, simultaneously, that 1. I need an earnest, eager to please type guy to help me build a nest and nuture helpless infants and 2. The idea of sex with such a guy feels humiliating and 3. My strongest sexual feelings are for the type of guys who are certain to leave and just might knock me around a little but who easily make my pussy juices run down my thighs past my knees?
    How could any sanity be maintained if a person had no choice but to look this bundle of facts straight in the eye?
    A lack of awarenessof all of this is natures merciful anesthetic that makes them able to do what they have to do.

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  144. I mean, what would it feel like to be a woman who was vividly aware, simultaneously, that 1. I need an earnest, eager to please type guy to help me build a nest and nuture helpless infants and 2. The idea of sex with such a guy feels humiliating and 3. My strongest sexual feelings are for the type of guys who are certain to leave and just might knock me around a little but who easily make my pussy juices run down my thighs past my knees?
    How could any sanity be maintained if a person had no choice but to look this bundle of facts straight in the eye?
    A lack of awarenessof all of this is natures merciful anesthetic that makes them able to do what they have to do.

    Female sexual instincts are one of the first things needing to be corrected when the brain mechanisms responsible for them are eventually fully understood. Male sexual instincts can mostly be left alone except for the male tendency to lose interest in fucking the same pussy, however hot, after a while. Anything that interferes with monogamy needs to go.

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  145. ROISSY: “there is room in an alpha’s universe for uncontrolled blasts of passionate anger. Sometimes a girl wants to have her man piss on his territory.”

    even if the girl winds up breaking up with you, it does feel liberating sometimes to call a woman on her bullshit. its like taking a load off yourself

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  146. Obsidian is right on about black marriage rates.

    Read some black literature from the 1950’s. Nobody even talked much about the problem of unwed motherhood in Harlem (New York City) back then. I believe James Baldwin wrote about heroin coming to Harlem (1940’s ?) and how the addiction spread through young black men. There was a jarring phrase in that description: “Fathers fought their sons over the rent money.” Where are those father’s today?

    Or, popular songs from the black culture of the 1950’s. Blacks sang about love and family, just like the whites. “(Put out the dog and bring in the cat! Yakky yak. Don’t talk back!”)

    Did you ever see sharper, slicker looking performers than popular black singers in the 1950’s?

    Essentially, in the 1940’s and 1950’s, black society was based on “white” middle class values. Those middle class values have been swamped by the new ghetto culture.

    I think the economic changes in this country (Try getting a decent job with a high school diploma these days.) and the rise of the welfare state which pays women to have children without a husband (Like Ann C says, liberals are always surprised that when you subsidize a behavior, you get more of it.) have economically marginalized most black men. White men are well on their way to that place, too. Women just don’t understand how devastating this is to men.

    M’Lady Rain is so dissed on this blog because she represents precisely the type of woman which these trends produce, and is entirely unapologetic. For example, she keeps saying she is self supporting, but, like that cheap imported labor from Mexico which has bankrupted California, the indirect costs are much higher than the direct costs. For example, there is no way in hell M’Lady pays enough in taxes to educate her alpha’s child and provide for his health care. The beta boys pay those taxes. The betas see this. Most men resent having to pay to support another man’s child, especially while the mother is out screwing around.

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  147. the one major weapon, if you will, a Beta Black Male had-a steady income w/which to provide for the family, by definition a longterm construct.

    If my only “weapon” against the alpha’s attraction is my steady income, that merely reinforces the idea that women are golddiggers who only want alpha males. Again, what is the incentive for any beta male to deal with women if “I love you” really means “I love you because of your steady income and good credit”?

    Simply put Dave, Betas build sustain and maintain families.

    I understand that, but I’m not being picked because she likes me. I’m being picked because I have a stable income, and that’s wrong.

    For example, there is no way in hell M’Lady pays enough in taxes to educate her alpha’s child and provide for his health care.

    Is it any different if she was married, not working, while her husband earned the same income or if she and her husband earned a combined salary equivalent to what she’s currently earning now?

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  148. on June 13, 2009 at 9:21 am Lawyer from Hell

    On the top of what women choose, and specifically the Black community:

    http://www.theroot.com/views/what-single-women-can-learn-michelle/?gt1=38002

    The list of reasons the women state for rejecting the Beta Black Males is illuminating and depressing.

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  149. This will be my last comment on this blog. I’ve been fairly civil with exception of calling someone an ass (my apologies, ass) but one of my pet peeves is spreading misinformation and fwiw, I do not shoot steroids, have never done steroids, the picture that you saw was of someone else doing it (as part of a photo essay).

    So attempt to get one’s facts straight before unwittingly or wittingly ruining one’s reputation through misinformation.

    Ciao.

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  150. Thanks Joel, Rum.

    To those who may still be of the opinion that what we see in the Hood accross America is merely due to other factors and that Feminism had no role to play, I would kindly ask them to read the works of Simone de Beauvior and Germaine Greer, for staters. Than take a good, hard look at the Black community, checkout 4 or five episodes of the Maury “baby daddy” shows and ask yourself if what you’re seeing fits what these two Women, among a great many other prominent voices in the Second Wave movement is accurate or not.

    I’ll address Dave Alex’s post seperately.

    O

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  151. on June 13, 2009 at 9:27 am Lawyer from Hell

    Gaston:

    “What is needed to make up for the decrease in two-parent households is elective eugenics via reproductive technologies.

    We need to liberalize the effects of single motherhood with artificial insemination. A kid may not have the benefits of a two parent household, but we can at least do what we can to give the kid a chance at having genes on his or her side. Women desiring to become single mothers who pass basic tests for suitability should be given incentives to artificially inseminate themselves. There wouldn’t be racial constraints–women could get inseminated with sperm of any race or combination of races that they want.”

    No. We already encourage single motherhood enough and are engaged in our own form of misguided indirect eugenics in this country.

    I don’t want anyone selecting genes for anything. Nothing good can come of this. Who gets to pick? Who decides?

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  152. Dave Alex,
    How many Men “love” a Woman because she has a hot, smokin’ body? A pretty face to die for? You’ve said numerous times, that the vast majority of Women out there aren’t attractive to you because they lack acrylic nails, high heels and that “I wanna fuck you” pornstar look? I could just as easily turn around what you’ve been saying above and make the case that the majority of Men, which most certainly includes you, only want Women because they look good to them, and that’s wrong.

    Dave, the reality in life is that one, “love” is something that is way overblown here in the United States. “Love” as is defined here, should be toned down a bit in favor of other more bedrock notions and ideas: if for a Man, what are his bedrock values? How does he treat or think of Women generally? What are his vews on childrearing? And yes, does he have a stable, steady means of raising a family?

    I honestly think that this notion of “love” just dropping out of the sky and hitting one upside the head is ridiculous. Love, like most things in this life, is a conscious choice; we can choose to love someone, or not.

    What you’re confusing for “love” is actually lust, Dave, and they are two very different things. Women in particular get tripped up here, because they tend to conflate love and lust, so when they’re banging an Alpha Male, they honestly do believe they “love” them, which may indeed be true. But what we can say for certain, is that they have lots of lust for said Alpha Male, which is a completely different thing.

    People’s choices are shaped in large part by the environment they find themselves in. Prior to the age of processed foods, most people didn’t eat a lot of sugary stuff, the reason being, that it was fairly rare to find such things naturally occuring. Now however, sugary foods abound. Because human beings associate sweet foods w/mama’s milk as a baby, should we then say, that because of the times we live in its simply better for people to indulge ther epicurian tastes for the foods they truly “love” instead of pointing out that said foods, if taking to extremes, can and often do lead to diasterous consequences?

    And therein lay the debate, Dave. Prior to the mid 60s, Women on a whole weren’t able to hookup w/Alpha Males because, like sugar in pre-processed and mass produced foods America, they were relatively few and far between; Women made do with Beta Males, and believe it or not, many came to love them. But as soon as it became possible for Women to indulge their “sweet tooth” if you will, they did, w/a vengence-and the result is a lot of chronically “sick” Women we see today, w/Black Women leading the pack at present (Hispanic are fast catching up, as their OOW birthrates are staggering, and White Women are steadily bringing up the rear in their OOW birthrates).

    Dave, nothing I’m going to say here will convince you change your routine, so you believe what you wanna. All I’m saying is that lots of Black Women are, have and will be seriously hurt because the choices they’re making aren’t ones that would be the case in a more “natural” environment-consuming something sweet is ok for a short term thing. Consuming sugar everyday, ie a more long term strategy, is diasterous.

    Think about what I said above about Men “loving” only certain types of Women-which includes YOU especially-and holla back. If you’re willing to be brutally honest w/yourself, you would admit that, regardless of what yo thought of them, there were Women in your life who quite possibly could have been in love w/you, and the only reason why you didn’t return the feelings was because of the way she looked. If you concede this point, then you’ll also have to concede, that “love” is indeed a choice.

    Not an accident.

    O

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  153. Yeah D. Alexander. Face it: just as men fall into: Alpha (manly man), Beta (so-so), Omega (loser), so too do women: Alpha (hot), Beta (so-so) and Omega (ugly). If you have set your sights on Alpha women then you’re stuffed. After all, even your anecdotes seem to show that some women have taken interest in you . . .

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  154. @Obsidian —

    That was a masterful post, O.

    Yes, love is a choice. The current climate, thoroughly feminized as it is, elevates the emotional “high” of
    falling in love” to an inordinate level. As we know, this feeling is not sustainable. Settled love does not feel at all like “falling in love”, but is rather a choice to honor a commitment, a choice to be selfless for the benefit of the beloved and so on. But women love their emotional crack, and so the culture exalts that infatuation stage of love, and tells people that when they no longer feel it, they should just bugger off and find a new mate. Pathetic feminine value system, really.

    And your metaphor of sugar is a great one, and one I have often used myself. Just because we have urges to do something does not mean that doing that something is good, healthy, self-respecting, or even rational. Our bodies crave fats and sugars because they are, respectively, the best sources for long-term and short-term energy, and when our cravings evolved, they were both in relatively short supply. Today they are not, and so we can, if we wish, indulge our sweet and fat teeth to the Nth degree. Of course, we know that this is not *good* for us, so we exercise control. But somehow when we turn our eyes to sexuality, we don’t want to hear the same message — that indulging our sex tooth is not necessarily good, healthy or productive for us.

    This is especially the case for women, I think, who, as a class, are basically behaving in sexual terms like teenagers on their first night out of the house. Which drags the whole civilization down into the muck, but for now at least the teenager does not want to hear it because she is too busy having fun. It’s short-sighted and pathetic, but so it is.

    N

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  155. Obsidian — “love” is indeed a choice.

    Novaseeker — Settled love does not feel at all like “falling in love”, but is rather a choice to honor a commitment, a choice to be selfless for the benefit of the beloved and so on.

    You guys are both right but a point does need to be made that neither party is absolved of his and her obligation to remain attractive to the other.

    If a man lets himself became a drunk beta slob, his wife’s duty to love him would rightly be strained. As would the man’s if his wife became a fat nagging shrew.

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  156. [email protected]
    “Do you think that a guy can be an alpha, have game, or be a PUA if he is an intellectual?

    In other words: is it possible to be both an alpha (with game) as well as an intellectual?

    The reason I ask is that so many modern intellectuals are clearly not alphas – they are overwhelmingly effete, PC/leftist, and often effeminate.

    So is it possible to be an alpha (with game) who is also an intellectual?”

    Two words

    Henry Miller.

    The man had more game than, well, a hell of a lot of people alive today. He was a leftist (of sorts) and highly intellectual.

    Ezra Pound almost literally bathed in pussy. He felt it helped his creative processes, in a Taoist type of way.

    Pound was clearly an intellectual, though he doesn’t fit into either the left or right (probably closer to what people today would see as the right, he was certainly dead set against the Democrats and became an expat during the War in protest of Roosevelt’s administration and the pre-war financial crisis)

    A lot of the Beat generation poets and writers had a lot of game, the ones who weren’t gay anyway…

    So the answer is yes, frankly many women can be highly turned on by a man’s intellect if he has a dominant frame, in fact my experience is that an over-active intellect ungrounded in a solid, down home, relaxed ease with the self, can intimidate many women, so of course you just have to present it it a comfortable way.

    The best intellectuals I’ve noticed with women are not the academic types, but creative writers

    Also people are conflating politics and access pussy. While extremes of political leftism and the dominant PC regime does tend to favor some highly unrealistic and dysfunctional ideas about gender and sexuality, how many conservative guys are starved of women and have no understanding of the mentality of modern women? Oddles.

    Left leaning creative writer types often clean up with women, left leaning philosophy majors do not.

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  157. Arthur Koestler and Ernest Hemingway also bathed in pussy.

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  158. Kamal on fake tits.

    They make me sad, and bring a tear to the corner of my eye.

    I admit that I am a breast man, breasts and hips.

    But there is something endearing, exquisitely so, and beautiful about a woman with very small breasts. Plus the older I get, the more I find smaller breasts appealing. Why? Don’t know. But I do. Especially on lithe more slender women. Fake boob jobs look bizarre on them. Natural large breasts look better on curvy women. Natural smaller breasts look nice on angular or slender women. Fake breasts, if well done, I can ignore. And if poorly done, really stab my sense of aesthetics and bring a slight tear to my eyes.
    An aesthetic reaction along the lines of “Who took a magic marker across, and then pissed on top of, the Monet?”

    On feme bodybuilders.
    I prefer softer women. That said lithe lean and defined is preferable and more feminine than bulked. A woman who works with and develops along the natural lines of a slim, lithe, female musculature can develop an exquisitely sexy frame. Throwing hormones and supplements in to gain a more masculine frame is a turn of. It makes a girl look stocky – if she has a pretty enough face and retains some femininity this can offset some things, but weight resistance training for women would be better considered in developing strength and a sleek defined form, than excessive mannish hypertrophy.

    A woman with natural hourglass proportions, even if she slides to some extreme (chubby but hourglass, skinny but hourglass, weight-trained and bulked but hourglass) will retain some sex appeal, but not as much as if she retained a more classically feminine non extreme form.

    Thankfully a female weight enthusiast who enjoys the sensation of pumping iron and is keen about muscular development can salvage the ravages of excess non-feminine hypertrophy with a few changes to her training and diet, retain her strength gains, but gradually transform her figure into something a bit more sexy. If she so chooses, in any case.

    And these are my opinions.

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  159. [email protected]

    Hell yes, I forgot about Koestler.
    I don’t like his politics but the guy was a sharp cookie. I’m in the middle of reading both:

    “The Thirteenth Tribe” (a fascinating study of the history of Judaism among a central asian mongol tribe )

    and
    “The Ghost in the Machine”

    Which is a very dense, but interesting, exploration of the meaning of the human soul in a scientific age.

    Yes, Hemingway was indeed good with the ladies. I’m trying to think of a few more are on the tip of my tongue..

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  160. Readig Koestler, one gets sucked into a surreal world of overpowering, almost inhuman intelligence. I read his two-part autobiography “Arrow in the Blue” and “Invisible Writing,” and at least at the time of reading (my early 20s) I was equally fascinated and repelled by his downright reptilian coldness of intellect.

    I recommend those two books, if you haven’t already checked them out. Not only great writing and historic & psychological analysis, but also fascinating history in and of itself. [Caveat: per John Derbyshire’s account, some of his adventures, including the existence of a village in Asian USSR, may have been fabrications.]

    To those unfamiliar with Koestler, his most significant novel was “Darkness at Noon,” a fictionalized expose of Moscow purge trials and the revolutionary mentality. George Orwell, I think it was, credited the book with thwarting the nearly-inevitable Communist takeover in post-war France. Panicked French Communist party members bought the books in bulk as soon as they arrived in stores, and destroyed them.

    His later writing never got much of my interest, as he shifted toward mysticism and parapsychology.

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  161. I’m trying to think of a few more are on the tip of my tongue..

    Kamal, here is another poon-swooping intellectual: Picasso.

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  162. For fun, off the top of my head here are artists/intellectuals who failed to swoop:

    – William Wordsworth
    – S. T. Coleridge
    – Isaac Newton
    – Vincent Van Gogh
    – Phillip Larkin
    – F. Scott Fitzgerald
    – T.S. Eliot

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  163. To those helping me, especially roissy and mo, thanks. I sent a text to opera girl saying “Damn, spoiled you already. Gotta go–good luck on your event–I’ll message you after its over. Keep next week free for me.” I sent about 8ish, an hour after she texted me (per Roissy’s instructions)

    11pm: “Ha, I have to keep all of next week free? Call me for a specific day and I’ll see what I can do.”

    Thoughts?

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  164. This is my biggest problem area: the time between the number close and the first bang.

    My more-than-one-night-stands usually come from one-night-stands; I used to famously (to my friends at least) throw out numbers in college as “worthless.” Once I’ve banged a girl, I know exactly how to treat them.

    Unfortunately, my reliance on getting girls in bed the first night has given me a dearth of experience in this ‘tweener period. But that’s why the gods invented roissy.

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  165. Roissy:
    “Any man who wasn’t a beta paranoiac would accept that reasoning without argument…”

    Yes, alphas are accustomed to being The Man to Whom All Good Things Come. Roissy tiptoed around this truth in his War of the Roses post. Alphas get things handed to them so they are gullible. It’s their Achilles heel.

    Another example: from what I know about the way alphas use (abuse) their computers I wouldn’t be surprised if they are more likely to be the unwitting victims of malware.

    Present them with something that looks like a reward, but is in fact not a reward, and they will put their greedy paw out every time. How can they help themselves?

    Mystery and Roosh only teach cockblock defense, not offense, but remember, alphas don’t only raise their own status. They also humiliate and denigrate nearby Betas by exploiting our weaknesses – fear and pessimism.

    For us, offense means using alphas’ gullibility against them.

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  166. on June 13, 2009 at 12:46 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Kamal:

    So the answer is yes, frankly many women can be highly turned on by a man’s intellect if he has a dominant frame, in fact my experience is that an over-active intellect ungrounded in a solid, down home, relaxed ease with the self, can intimidate many women, so of course you just have to present it it a comfortable way.

    Would you mind to elaborate on “solid, down home, relaxed ease with the self”? I’ve heard the intimidation thing before but darned if I understand it, either.

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  167. Obsidian, some truly great posts on this thread. Good show.

    “What needs to happen is that we a society need to get serious about putting Black Men to work. Particularly those who’ve been in jail. That is the only real solution here, since Black Women really only see Black Men as their rightful mates, for the most part. Of course, what I’m proposing will take a lot of, simply put, balls, because the very mention of suggesting any wide-ranging public policy addressing the economic needs of Black Men enmasse is sure to ignite a backlash, if not a whole heck of a lot of kneejerking on the part of quite a few White Men, many of whom are themselves feeling the economic crunch, and who have an axe to grind wrt Affirmative Action, they their targets are misguided”

    As a conservative middle-aged guy, I believe the greater backlash to such a public policy would come from a more potent foe, namely, the feminist left.

    I live outside of Detroit; before the economic meltdown which began here in the early part of this decade, I was amazed that every carpentry and roofing crew I saw was comprised almost entirely of hispanics(likely largely illegals), despite the relatively low resident hispanic population in these parts. I instinctively reflected on the literally scores of thousands of unemployed young black men nearby who would likely jump at the chance of swinging a hammer and earning a decent wage; these guys had been undercut by the surplus labor ushered in by our wide open immigration culture. Black and white working class men have had their incomes and employment prospects devastated by the immigrant labor boom. And in case no one’s noticed, the feminists have no problem with this; particularly since the employment opportunities lost for Americans are ones which have traditionally been in male-dominated fields.

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  168. of thousands of unemployed young black men nearby who would likely jump at the chance of swinging a hammer and earning a decent wage

    I could be talking out my ass for all I know, but I’m just going by what I see: most underclass balck males are not hardworking honorable types like Obsidian or black dudes I work with.

    I suspect that many, especially ones who grew up in ghetto culture without fathers, are quite happy with things the way they are — welfare state may be undercutting their bargaining power with women as providers. But they’d still rather swoop whatever ghetto women they can, rather than worry about working.

    Interesting how David Alexander has exactly this attitude, though he expresses it in a more genteel and lower-testosterone language.

    I even saw this in the Army. For every competent, high-speed black NCO, there were three black privates who’d find slick and cute ways to avoid working while appearing to be hard at work. There was even a lingo for this behavior: “shamming.”

    And while I am opposed to cheap-labor immigration, I suspect that the Detroit-area contractors simply knew that they’d get a lot more work from the Hispanics than from slick or sullen blacks.

    If one is serious about re-empowering black men economically, then what would need to occur toward that end would be an end of low-skill immigration, deportation/attrition of illegals, no-kid-gloves law enforcement in poor black communities, and most importantly — ending all welfare.

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  169. “Another example: from what I know about the way alphas use (abuse) their computers I wouldn’t be surprised if they are more likely to be the unwitting victims of malware.”

    Unless, of course, they are ev1l h4cker gen1us types who can code malware in their sleep using 15 year old copies of Microsoft assembler and turbo c++ and like to allow their own computers to be deliberately infected with malware in order to reverse engineer other people’s root kits, and re-write them to exploit systems with even greater stealth. Most of these types admittedly are not alphas, of course… but some are.

    As a man thinketh so he is. There is some resentment/anxiety regarding alpha exploitation of beta males, etc., entirely missing in this type of discourse is the realization that historically strong alpha males often had their power and authority lay in their mutually enhancing the value of others in his wake.

    There is a type of Alpha male that beta males and lesser alpha males willingly follow, sometimes to their graves, because his enhancement and aggrandizement enhances the group. My dad used to tell me that a man’s life is a pecking order, every man waits his turn, the most patient find their opportunity but it’s up to them to seize it..

    A certain type of man may get his choice of women, but in a sane traditional order all men mostly have some options and are reasonably marriageable. No one begrudges the chief or big man for his harem as long as all men have a chance at love. And if this big man will lead them to glory, men would give their lives. And their wives did often love these men. In certain types of orders everyone knows their place and adjusts to it.

    The quality of some alpha male leaders that causes others to willingly follow them is called charisma. It is what George Washington, Gaius Julius Caesar, Moses, Muhammad, Napoleon, Alexander the Great, George Patton, and other men like him had. These men may or may not have been dictators in the modern totalitarian sense, but they all were highly charismatic, and seductive, alpha males with visions and dreams and wills to power. They could seduce men and women into following them to greater glory. They were loved by their people even if they were also feared. Beta males didn’t resent them. They dreamt of serving them and someday perhaps becoming like them. Think of the ship Captain all fear, but all admire more.

    Admiration, not resentment. The essence of Hero worship, the “Bromance” truly great men command respect, you want to be on their team. Some men are wise enough not to abuse their position, in today’s world many lack that wisdom.

    Much resentment of alpha male types misses the fact that many modern alpha males and beta males alike are, in the grand scheme of human history, rather mediocre. Though the alphas would be less mediocre.

    Also much resentment is simple awareness of self-mediocrity, with a lack of awareness that some alpha males were not born with command in their step, but rather groomed themselves, with labor, and effort, effort that some people don’t put into their own self cultivation.

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  170. @Stiletto: “I do not shoot steroids, have never done steroids, the picture that you saw was of someone else doing it (as part of a photo essay).”

    Chyeah, and Roissy’s pal’s fuckbuddy really was “helping a friend someplace where there was no phone service.” Come on: you have a picture on *your* blog. Of someone injecting steroids. You’re a bodybuilder. Allegedly female, yet you have 16″ arms. If you’re not booting steroids, you really need to visit an endocrinologist.

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  171. “So is it possible to be an alpha (with game) who is also an intellectual?”

    Einstein, Schroedinger and Feynman were notorious rakes. Feynman’s essay on how to get laid in a bar is probably the genesis of “game” in written form.

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  172. PA:

    Mostly good list, but with caveats.

    – William Wordsworth – fathered a child out of wedlock in France before settling down

    – F. Scott Fitzgerald – Zelda was hot, probably the hottest literary wife ever

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  173. Hemingway’s wives were surprisingly plain. I mean really.

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  174. lurker–

    11pm: “Ha, I have to keep all of next week free? Call me for a specific day and I’ll see what I can do.”

    Thoughts?

    You’re back on track. She’s just trying not to sound over available. Still, don’t be over eager.

    Wait until Sunday. She did say she would be busy Sat.

    She’s asked for a call. Have the date all figured out. I’d suggest wait until Sunday then txt. Noonish might be a good time. Txt asking her to txt back when she can take a call re: plans. Then if you can call her back right aft. that responding Sunday txt and make date plans. I’d suggest something non alcohol based, that is cultural. I mentioned the free summer NYC river to river series of events before. Or whatever.

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  175. doug1, any suggestions? specific. I’m bad at non-alcohol type dates.

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  176. @lupo, I was pleasantly surprised the first time I read Feynman’s description of how he learned his style of Game.

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  177. Obsidian–

    What needs to happen is that we a society need to get serious about putting Black Men to work. Particularly those who’ve been in jail. That is the only real solution here, since Black Women really only see Black Men as their rightful mates, for the most part.

    Why doesn’t black society do more of a revival effort to discourage black men from doing the drug dealing and so on that lands them in jail in the first place? Why don’t black men try harder in school? Surely they could do as well, more or less, as black women do. It seems to me it’s largely cultural – black cultural.

    Blacks in general, but black men in particular are REALLY allergic these days to starting in a drone low position and then rising quickly if they can. Often out of fear that they can’t and it’s all a matter of how much they can game the system to get themselves starting advantages they haven’t earned. I think that’s the direct result of white left/liberals going on and on about how all gaps are due to out of the blue entirely constructed racism and that racism is entirely the fault of whites, esp. white men.

    PA said:

    I could be talking out my ass for all I know, but I’m just going by what I see: most underclass balck males are not hardworking honorable types like Obsidian or black dudes I work with.

    I suspect that many, especially ones who grew up in ghetto culture without fathers, are quite happy with things the way they are — welfare state may be undercutting their bargaining power with women as providers. But they’d still rather swoop whatever ghetto women they can, rather than worry about working.

    Interesting how David Alexander has exactly this attitude, though he expresses it in a more genteel and lower-testosterone language.

    I even saw this in the Army. For every competent, high-speed black NCO, there were three black privates who’d find slick and cute ways to avoid working while appearing to be hard at work. There was even a lingo for this behavior: “shamming.”

    And while I am opposed to cheap-labor immigration, I suspect that the Detroit-area contractors simply knew that they’d get a lot more work from the Hispanics than from slick or sullen blacks.

    That’s pretty much where I’m coming from too on those things, without having that direct personal Army experience.

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  178. @Default- After seeing all your flirting with aoefe on her blog, you and I are no more.

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  179. on June 13, 2009 at 6:04 pm BasilRansom

    The ‘alpha is always indifferent’ option is popular among aspiring but decidedly non-alpha males. They have a hard and fast conception of sexual relations. It is not hospitable to nuance.

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  180. on June 13, 2009 at 6:17 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Thursday:

    “Mostly good list, but with caveats.

    – F. Scott Fitzgerald – Zelda was hot, probably the hottest literary wife ever”

    And she fucked him over royally because he was Beta.

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  181. “We need Medicaid sponsored breast, ass, and collegen implants for all women.”

    David.

    There is something deeply amiss in your soul.

    It’s simply wrong.

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  182. William Butler Yeats: don’t know if he swooped or not, but he surely had a massive case of oneitis for amazonian alpha female Maude Gonne.

    He even spitefully called the man she chose over him, a badass military officer, a “drunken, vainglorious lout” in a poem.

    Similar to how a college nerd looks at a hot cheerleader with a jock and plaintively says “I just don’t understand what she sees in that neanderthal.”

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  183. There is something deeply amiss in your soul.

    Kamal, dude, you seriously have a way with words. Respect.

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  184. on June 13, 2009 at 6:29 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Wee Willy Libby,

    The operative word you used is “relative” morality. Since it is a subjective standard, let me pick who lives and dies.

    I admire you though, you’re such a good boy coming to the defense of a poor helpless woman, that is clearly unable to speak on her own behalf, nor able to retire in safety from the verbal battlefield if it becomes too unpleasant for her.

    Chivalry is not dead, thou art truly a noble man, destined to great things and your reward in this life will be beyond measure. Sally forth, good sir, and tilt at yon dragons.

    I will let you decide whether to take that “literally” or not.

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  185. You know how I once said that the pinnacle of a woman’s will-to-power is expressed in her dominion over the intimate lives, and children of, other people?

    Well, the evil U.K. just appointed a radical feminist as that evil regime’s “new chief spokesman on families.”

    What the fuck is a ‘chief spokesman on families’ anyway? Can I have Communism back please? it at least when those decrepit apparatchiks droned on TV, they talked to ‘the masses’ like to adults.

    “The Mail” reports:

    Dr Katherine Rake, who wants to see men bring up babies, will head the Family and Parenting Institute, a heavily state-financed organisation set up by Labour to speak for parents and children.

    Dr Rake, who will take over from the Institute’s founding chief executive Mary MacLeod, has long declared her intention is not to support parents as they are, but to revolutionise their lives.

    Writing in The Guardian three years ago, she said:

    ‘We want to transform the most intimate and private relations between women and men.

    ‘We want to change not just who holds power in international conglomerations, but who controls the household budget.

    ‘We want to change not just what childcare the state provides, but who changes the nappies at home.’

    Dr Rake added: ‘It is only when men are ready to share caring and work responsibilities with women that we will be able to fulfil our true potential to form equal partnerships in which we have respect, autonomy and dignity.’

    (h/t Auster)

    Fucking seriously — would that evil island be any worse off if Krauts had overran it in 1940? Would things have been any different if Vladimir Ilich Lenin himself were the prime minister instead of Margaret Thatcher during the 1980s?

    I’ve never been to the UK, but damn, do I hate that place. Not the people. The evil regime that runs it. Hearing a woman speak in that crisp BBC british accent sends creepy chills down my spine.

    I grew up in a Communist country and I’ve had to wave little red flags in May Day parades. I hereby submit that eastern European Communism post-Stalin was easier on a normal human being’s sensibilities than the loathsome, virulently anti-European civilization vampires who run the UK and other Western nations.

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  186. Yeats was a virgin into his 30s, but then went on a sexual rampage in later life. Much the same with Goethe who didn’t have sex until visiting Italy in his mid 30s and from then on was known as a ladies man.

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  187. Lurker, suggestion

    bowling

    great date, different than the norm

    something like that

    besides that, I think you’re on the right track but you do come off as a bit needy in the texts, even in the last one I thought

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  188. PA: “I grew up in a Communist country and I’ve had to wave little red flags in May Day parades. I hereby submit that eastern European Communism post-Stalin was easier on a normal human being’s sensibilities than the loathsome, virulently anti-European civilization vampires who run the UK and other Western nations.”

    I believe you. To make a somewhat different point, life in post America is, among other things, a constant assault on one’s aesthetic (not to mention moral) sensibilities. It is unrelenting. I’m just old enough to remember the final years of the old America, and it was so much more pleasant. Not to mention just plain better looking. It’s an ugly thing now, that’s for sure. Ugly and a lot dumber. Many of the major European cities, especially the ones that are infested with third world immigrants, no doubt are just as bad.

    Not too long ago, I knew a young woman from the Czech Republic who was studying law in the U.S. I warned her what would happen to beautiful Prague if it became westernized. She had seen enough of our wonderful diversity and politically correct insanity to understand what I meant, and to agree that it would be a bad thing. But, and this was in the middle of the boom years, she said in resigned exasperation, “It seems to work.”

    Well, no, actually it doesn’t. Not long term. Hopefully, eastern Europeans will have the sense not to go down this crazy path of national suicide. And, to give a little credit where it is due, the recent European elections give some glimmer of an awakening. It’s only the barest beginning of a faint start, but all in all, best election in my lifetime.

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  189. Hopefully, eastern Europeans will have the sense not to go down this crazy path of national suicide.

    I recently did some research for work on the economies of EE countries. I looked at one paid online report, and in its executive summary, I came across the two most chilling words imaginable:

    “Labor shortage”

    The globalist plutocrats must be stopped, by any means necessary.

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  190. to give a little credit where it is due, the recent European elections give some glimmer of an awakening. It’s only the barest beginning of a faint start, but all in all, best election in my lifetime.

    I agree. I think that the tide is slowly turning. Post-war Population Replacement is such an evil, unnatural thing, that it will be remembered as a brief period of madness in the continuing annals of Western Civilization.

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  191. There is something deeply amiss in your soul.

    Implants would increase female beauty and their sexual appeal. More women would look remotely feminine, and there would finally be a reason to have sex with the lights on…

    Yeats was a virgin into his 30s, but then went on a sexual rampage in later life.

    Just out of curiosity, how does one go on a sexual rampage in the ancient days of the past without getting a girl pregnant or catching an STD…

    “Labor shortage”

    One must admit that if there’s a shortage of workers, it could lead to a decline in the GDP due to the lack of skilled workers to meet the needs of the economy. As an example, if there aren’t enough skilled men to perform highway construction work you’ll end up with a situation where either the costs are driven up in an attempt to buy the labour which creates inflation, or you simply end up with slower progress on the construction itself. In the case of private industry, you just end up eating their profits which in turn hurts the investors who in a number of cases are state-owned retirement funds or privately owned mutual funds, and your country becomes less enticing compared to somewhere cheaper but just as skilled. Japan’s rapidly ageing population with no real immigration as a supplement to growth will be an interesting experiment to see if population decline is detrimental to economic growth.

    Of course, I’m amazed that somebody is stupid enough enough to even entertain the idea of immigration to Eastern Europe. I may be some evil liberal multicultural whore, but even the idea of shifting cheap Ukrainian labour to Poland or Hungary comes across as absurd, let alone importing foreign non-whites.

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  192. Just out of curiosity, how does one go on a sexual rampage in the ancient days of the past without getting a girl pregnant or catching an STD…

    Yeats had a vasectomy later in life. Can’t comment on the STD thing.

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  193. — Just out of curiosity, how does one go on a sexual rampage in the ancient days of the past without getting a girl pregnant or catching an STD…

    With STDs, I guess a guy back then just took his chances as he seduced non-prostitutes who appeared healthy “down there.”

    With pregnancy, it’s not that easy to get a woman pregnant unless she’s on her fertile 24-36 hours (though sperm can survive in her for a couple of days.) So if you pull out and she is not ovulating or immediately pre-ovulation, the odds of getting her pregnant are minimal.

    — One must admit that if there’s a shortage of workers, it could lead to a decline in the GDP due to the lack of skilled workers to meet the needs of the economy.

    “Economy” is a funny thing, and that’s where I see free-market global capitalists as equally stupid and destructive as Communists. Their idea that the economy must constantly expand is as crazy as anything the lefties had ever come up with.

    — I may be some evil liberal multicultural whore, but even the idea of shifting cheap Ukrainian labour to Poland or Hungary comes across as absurd, let alone importing foreign non-whites.

    Explain?

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  194. [email protected]
    “coarsening of the culture”
    Bam. That’s the whole point of it. The entire culture’s coarsened, white and black. Everyone knows it, look at public discourse, in your and my father’s generation even cursing in public, men may have cursed around each other, but there was a real notion of polite society. You don’t cuss around teachers, strange women, preachers, and children. If you did then you were “common” and “uncouth” and this wasn’t that long ago.

    [email protected]
    No offense but you misunderstand some things. Possibly from a lack of perspective – since we live in a post-traditional society it is to be expected that we would lack some familiarity traditional social patterns, and thus we would judge things from a more limited perspective. But two things are worth noting.

    One, in the death of a parent, there was often, usually, a remarriage. In some societies of course Widowhood was stigmatized, and in these societies women did not remarry, but in many other societies they did. And QUICKLY. Often in a marriage arranged by village or religious elders, or her father or uncles. This was not uncommon across the pre-modern world

    Two, extended families, on the death of a father, or more rarely a mother, if there was no remarriage, the extended family took a huge burden in the raising of a child. Indeed nuclear families in the narrow modern sense are an anomaly. Most past “nuclear” families really were extended ones. Even in America, until well into the 20th century in rural areas. Even in urban areas “in law” homes were once common and you still see small in law cottages in older neighborhoods in the backyards. The isolated island onto ourselves in the midst of friendly neighbors model of the nuclear family that most conservatives are nostalgic for, the 1950’s model, is an ANOMALY. It is the last sigh, the last breath, of a more complex model of families.

    In the death of a spouse you had grandma, grandpa, an aunt and often uncle, either living in the house, or next door, or around the corner, in a small community. Part of the problem with modern single parenthood is just this, it would be NO WHERE near the problem that it is if people did not live the sort of atomized existences that then often do today.

    As for many of the accomplishments of history coming from people from these perspectives, it is possible you are romanticizing this. Few accomplishments of history came from anyone outside cultural elites and aristocracies, until relatively recently in history. With the rise of middle classes. This isn’t a classicist statement, we live in a completely different world than 200 years ago, even. Few people played significant public social roles in changing the fundamentals of society at large, outside of elites, until recently.

    I think that if you examine the lives of most authors, writers, revolutionaries, and thinkers, who have built up our current civilization, most came from households with either both parents, or with a significant input of extended family members. This may or may not be a good thing, but it is

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  195. Interesting how David Alexander has exactly this attitude, though he expresses it in a more genteel and lower-testosterone language.

    Is this in context to being replaced by welfare? I can’t answer for how other men react, but in my case, it doesn’t affect me because I wouldn’t date the women in that pool regardless of race. Even in the context of middle class women, it’s much easier to have a wife who works not because it permits a higher standard of living, but with proper planning, it’s less stressful, and you can basically save most of her income as a form of insurance. If you don’t choose that route, it’s still a nice option to have since she can spend her money on what she wants, while you spend your money on what you want. There’s no need for arguments over spending habits if she’s allowed to sink or swim on her own merits, and I’m free to go spend my money on going railfanning vacations around the world.

    As for the lower class, my cousin is an ex-con*, and from his perspective, he’d much rather deal with underclass Latina women or Caribbean immigrants over native born black women. To him, they’re bitchy and mean and not as attractive, which echoes the comments made by many white men about black women. In contrast, for my cousin, Latinas and Caribbean immigrants come across as more feminine and softer emotionally and just much easier to deal with in the context of a relationship. In what is essentially an intellectual leap of faith, one could argue that black men aren’t as attracted to their women, and see no need to form long-term relationships with the women that they can’t stand. There’s nothing like growing up with an angry, impatient, and bitchy black woman to make the fat ugly white women seem attractive.

    Judging from my nephew’s mother, I can understand why these women are used in a pump and dump manner, and why they don’t mind being replaced by welfare. Would you want to support these ugly women in the long-term?

    *With the exception of my older brother, all of my first and most of my second male cousins and my younger brother have dated outside the race.

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  196. Part of the problem with modern single parenthood is just this, it would be NO WHERE near the problem that it is if people did not live the sort of atomized existences that then often do today.

    And sadly, in some cases, you have young women attempting to get pregnant in order to leave their mothers, and use their child as a bargaining chip to secure housing and welfare. The only way that we’re going to mitigate this problem is to simply mandate minimum work credits before one is eligible for food stamps, Section 8 or other welfare programmes. At minimum, that should discourage older teens from becoming pregnant.

    The problem is that in the case of single-parenthood, a sizable chunk of these women are in the underclass, and their parents (most likely, parent) are unable to support them with another child. My cousin just happened to luck out with her father willing to support her while she went to community college to become an X-ray tech, and then allow her to live rent free for several years beyond that. And allegedly, according to my brother, my nephew’s mom brags about the fact that her kid has an active father in his life and a paternal extended family that’s active in his life.

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  197. “Lady” Raine: “Clearly, I’m just an angry feminist/communist/white trash/tyrant/whore…”

    Hey, I take exception to that. I never thought you were white trash.

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  198. Explain?

    It’s foolish to import foreigners into a non-settler state where immigrants have never been a part of the cultural ethos, and even more foolish to import them into countries that have never had an imperialist notions. It’s one thing to have immigrants coming to the US, Canada, or Australia since these countries have better social mechanisms for assimilating and dealing with different cultures, while in theory, France, England, Spain, and Italy have some social links with immigrants in their former colonies. In contrast, most Eastern Europe states haven’t reached a century in its current boundaries, and has no mechanism for dealing foreigners in a long-term context, and the weak economy means any small downturn can turn the foreigners into easy targets regardless of race or ethnicity.

    Their idea that the economy must constantly expand is as crazy as anything the lefties had ever come up with.

    It’s funny noting that the social democrats and conservatives like yourself have fears of the costs of the perpetual expanding economy, but have different reasons and tools for respectively engaging and solving the problems.

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  199. [email protected]
    Ommigad something I agree with !
    Actually, I have to agree with you about Caribbean immigrants. Some Latina women as well. Very feminine, much more so than American women period, in general, black or white.

    [email protected]

    As for women in ghettos, I again disagree with you. I could tell you stories – in fact I posted one a few days ago… everyone blames black Men, and yes there are several million shiftless lazy black men around. But there are also millions who are literally beat down by the system. In ways that productive working class and lower middle class white guys are only just now really, really, starting to feel.

    There are vast problems with many women. As bad or even worse than the guys. Many men WANT to be with their children, but find themselves in situations in which their women really hold most of the cards. I overheard an aging thug a few weeks ago, bitching about being cuckolded by his woman. He actually committed to her, for years, stayed around with two sons… later found out through testing one of the kids wasn’t his. Now he’s torn because the woman admitted the real father’s incarcerated, the little boy sees him as daddy, he LOVES the kid but part of him wants nothing to do with him, but there is his own biological son there. Does he only go play with one and not the other?

    This is a delima many men find themselves facing. This scenario plays itself out constantly, one many guys who want to commit have a lingering fear the children are not theirs anyway, two sometimes these women throw in their faces this.

    In a past life and past career I was a “gypsy cab driver” with a friend. Good business, cash daily. I was sort of like, well, “The Transporter”, but servicing a less glamorous set of petty criminals. We saw aspects of human nature that my polite, middle class boughi ass never imagined existed – that my parents sheltered me from. One night my buddy drove a couple across town, they were bickering the whole way. She kept saying things to get under his skin. So they get out, walk down the street arguing still and then she yells “ And you wanna know something? I fucked SO-AND-SO. And he fucked me GOOOOD..”

    The guy gets a stunned hurt look on his face, and then hauls off and punches her in the face. She falls down. Then she jumps up and hauls off and punches HIM square in the jaw… He stumbles back, and then gives her a hook across the jaw, she falls again.

    This time he stomps her a couple of times.. Now here’s the kicker, two kickers actually. My buddy’s sitting in the car watching this open mouthed for a few minutes, just stunned.. He starts to get out to intervene before the guy kills her, but then from a white van across the street a bunch of plain cloth cops jump out and beat him to it. Turns out they had the place across the street on a stakeout, but they just couldn’t sit there watching this happen. So they had to blow their cover, took 4 cops to subdue the guy. THEN (tells you how tough some chicks are) she jumps up after being stomped for several minutes, cursing, screaming, throwing herself back at him punching. Now the cops have to restrain HER. While this is happening my buddy’s just standing open mouthed at the spectacle then he notices across the street the guys that the cops were monitoring, running out the front door down the street. The cops are shaking their heads pissed that their stakeout was blown. Incidentally the guy was put away for several months on assault charges, I mean, everything he did to the girl was captured on camera.

    Well, I used to see similar stuff all the time, not quite as ludicrous but almost. I was driving one couple, a young 22 year old thug and his 17 year old girlfriend. They started arguing over some petty text message crap she was pulling in a club the other night, she gets pissed starts snapping her head around and tells him she fucked so and so. So the guy gets this stunned look on his face and, well, punches her. I stop the car, turn around to the back and YEL

    “RESPECT MY FUCKING CAR !!”

    And they both just sit there quiet stunned looking, the guy goes “Oh sorry broh..” the girl starts crying, both of them shut up until I eject their worthless asses from my shiny Lexus.

    The point is that YOUR blaming the men alone is a sign of your ignorance concerning the issue. Frankly the few guys who are productive, try hard, and work, don’t stick around long sometimes because either their girls kick them out anyway, and fuck someone on the block who literally shot the man (happened here 2 weeks ago, a full report available on request) or they discover that one of the many neighborhood alpha male fuckers have been running trains on his girl, which makes her used goods, he realizes she’s just been using him for some stability protection and child support money, and he’s disillusioned, and so dumps her. Nothing quite like finding out that the cute 18 year old mother of your children has fucked 3 or 4 people around your block – while you two were together – before you decide that, well, she’s not quite worth what you thought.

    I am not exaggerating, if anything I am under-exaggerating.
    The guys can also be blamed too. In many cases these guys got into relationships with these girls literally “tricking” with them, basically they were Johns, got attached to girls they were paying to fuck, she gets cute with him and decides he’s her boyfriend, he feels flattered, starts to fall in love, they start fucking bareback, she gets preggers, and so on… TOTALLY dysfunctional social dynamics, and yes feminism and the general coarsening of public morals facilitated much of this. This sort of crap did not happen on this scale in my dad’s day. It was marginal, and started in earnest in the mid 70’s.

    I know several men who have been through serious hell by women who PREFERRED thugs and dope dealers to them, these aren’t soft guys either. All could kick my ass 16 ways from Saturday. But they are not thugs. And they ended up with women who cheated on them, played the part of the Ho, and gravitated towards thugs. Some staged domestic violence drama, telling the guy they had fucked someone else and repeatedly goading them. One guy I know had remarkable self control but after this AND after her pushing him repeatedly, and punching him once, he just flipped and hit her. Whoops domestic violence charge now..

    I have a bunch of stories, but frankly it would make my comment far too long.

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  200. [email protected]

    Regarding STD’s

    There was a period in early modern European history in which syphilis was rampant.

    To me this suggests, profoundly, a change in sexual mores in society that has gone uncommented upon. Perhaps an early sexual revolution occurring around the time of the enlightenment?

    My thoughts are unformed on this one, but I wonder if the bawdry novels, tales, memoirs and diaries of the enlightment era (like “Fanny Hill: Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure”) really did reflect a change in public sexuality.

    A good deal of the society really was congenitally syphilitic at that time. This suggests something to me, along the lines of what you mentioned regarding the change in European art at the time. I’m still trying to form it in my head though..
    I wonder if this is the age in which the Rake became no longer a marginal figure, but rather a bit of a gentlemanly norm. This would suggest certain changes in the relations between men and women in that period…

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  201. — It’s foolish to import foreigners into a non-settler state where immigrants have never been a part of the cultural ethos

    That’s a surprisingly generous attitude, given your earlier comments on this topic. Kind of goes along with my earlier arguments that one of me in Korea would be a drop in the ocean, but one million of my Slavic cousins would ruin Korea, if allowed to immigrate.

    — and even more foolish to import them into countries that have never had an imperialist notions

    Interestingly, Poland did have quasi-imperial ambitions and success in expanding to the east. The 16-17th century Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (in which Poland was the senior partner) occupied most of present-day Baltics, Belarus, and Ukraine.

    Some Pilsudki-era (post WW1, when Poland regained its statehood after 300 years of foreign partition) Polish nationalists still had their “sea to sea” battle cry, meaning from the Baltic to the Black Sea.

    To those who are interested, Jozef Pilsudski was an advocate of a large, powerful multiethnic Polish state after the country regained its independence in 1918. By multiethnic, it means consisting of a dominant core Polish ethnicity, but with significant presence of also-indigeneous Jews, Germans, Ukrainians, etc.

    Post-mortem, he was denounced by Communist-era authorities as an imperialist. But the real reason was the fact that in 1920 he defeated the much larger Soviet armies that were marching through Poland toward Berlin with the aim of igniting a Europe-wide Worker’s Revolution.

    In an improbable victory dubbed “Miracle on the Vistula,” Pilsudski’s outnumbered Polish army smashed the Soviets, and reportedly crushed Lenin’s dream of a worldwide revolution. One of my great-grandfathers fought in that war.

    In contrast with Pilsudski, Roman Dmowski, Pilsudski’s political rival and ally at turns, advocated a smaller and more ethnically Polish state for its new post-Versailles borders.

    — can turn the foreigners into easy targets

    That’s a concern too, but not my primary one. My main concern is for the indigeneous people who are disposessed of their country for the benefit of global plutocrats.

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  202. PA: “Economy” is a funny thing, and that’s where I see free-market global capitalists as equally stupid and destructive as Communists. Their idea that the economy must constantly expand is as crazy as anything the lefties had ever come up with.”

    Yes, they are just as crazy as the communists, in some ways even crazier. Like the communists, they are universalists. These people don’t understand what a nation is, they see everything as just a marketplace. They are either too dense or too fanatical to understand that, in the long run, a solid marketplace must rest upon a solid nation. Destroy the nation, and you ultimately destroy the market. You destroy the conditions that gave rise to a highly productive market in the first place.

    But the nutters don’t care, it’s become a crazed religion for them. Or perhaps some cynically plan to move to another country once they’ve destroyed this one. Either way, one thing we’ve learned for sure: there is a lot of money to be made in wrecking a country. It has to be stopped.

    And you are absolutely right about this fixation on “growth.” Growth has become a holy talisman to these people. It’s b.s. The only growth that need concern us is per capita growth, not absolute growth. You get that primarily from productivity gains, not going into debt and importing alien serfs. Absolute growth on the other hand? The U.S. economy has massively expanded in absolute size over the last several decades, and yet real wages for a huge portion of the population have stagnated or even declined since the 70’s. Who needs that? How did all that “growth” help actual citizens? Oh, and we get to lose our country in the bargain. Great deal. We really drove a hard bargain.

    But on the postive side, I think the tide is going to turn on this issue as well. The globalist/open borders nutjobs have inflicted such enormous damage that they are going to lose more and more credibility as time goes on. The globalist free traders are going to be seen for what they are: either fanatical loons or cynical opportunists.

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  203. after 300 years of foreign partition

    I meant “after 125 years of foreign partition.”

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  204. I’ve had the “have to go an see a girlfriend in trouble” line myself – was total bullshit and she was seeing an ex.

    On another note, I’ve got a chick in my bed right now – I picked her up at a party tonight – what’s the least rude way of saying “Let’s not do this again”?

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  205. “It’s foolish to import foreigners into a non-settler state where immigrants have never been a part of the cultural ethos, and even more foolish to import them into countries that have never had an imperialist notions.”

    True enough, but it is foolish for ANY people, settler or not, to allow themselves to be inundated and displaced. If a people conquer a land, pay for it in buckets of blood and build a civilization on it, why should they give it up?

    No sane person would do so except under duress. Only crazed white liberals think that way, nobody else does. For example, blacks conquered much of southern Africa from pygmy type peoples. Do the blacks feel ashamed, and say that they should therefore be reduced to minority status or bred out of existence? Hell no. It’s the Motherland! Mother Africa! It belongs to them.

    And rightfully so – as long as they’ve got the stones to hold on to it. Applies to whites too. For that matter, this goes for all peoples – the lands of all nations were won by conquest. Of course, few people realize this, as only white conquest is taught in the history books, in order to induce guilt and weakness.

    And only whites are expected to apologize for historical wrongs, but asians or arabs are not expected to apologize for the absolutely brutal conquests of Euro populations, in which civilian Europeans, women and children, were butchered and/or sold into slavery in huge numbers. In fact, these historical realities aren’t even taught for the most part. And I don’t expect an apology, as it wouldn’t do any good. But the West needs to stop grovelling, and clearly assert its right to exist and maintain itself. No exceptions.

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  206. on June 13, 2009 at 11:36 pm do not feed the animals

    PA how old are you?

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  207. why you ask?

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  208. on June 13, 2009 at 11:44 pm do not feed the animals

    nothing. just curious. 🙂

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  209. That’s a surprisingly generous attitude, given your earlier comments on this topic. Kind of goes along with my earlier arguments that one of me in Korea would be a drop in the ocean, but one million of my Slavic cousins would ruin Korea, if allowed to immigrate.

    I think it’s your choice of the word ruin. It’s not so much that the Slavs would ruin Korean or even a settler state, but that there just isn’t a cultural mechanism for dealing with mass immigration on a large scale in most societies. The problems are exacerbated in the case of NAM immigrants due to the potential differential for average IQ between the groups, the long-term feeling of discrimination that can develop when you don’t see people like yourself in positions of power.

    Pilsudski’s outnumbered Polish army smashed the Soviets, and reportedly crushed Lenin’s dream of a worldwide revolution

    I guess I have something to look up on Wikipedia when I’m bored. Admittedly, doesn’t Poland have a reputation of being a very militaristic and nation of proud warriors?

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  210. Kamal S.

    As for women in ghettos, I again disagree with you. I could tell you stories – in fact I posted one a few days ago… everyone blames black Men, and yes there are several million shiftless lazy black men around. But there are also millions who are literally beat down by the system. In ways that productive working class and lower middle class white guys are only just now really, really, starting to feel.

    Yep. White guys are just starting to get hit with the same thing. Before (70s- early 90s), with white people, divorce was mainly after the man started making some money and the financial prize was there in front of the wife. Now white women are behaving in pretty much the same way as the ghetto mamas, so they start fooling around young and just keep doing so. Infidelity has always been a fact of life, but it has skyrocketed for young white women. It used to be that they’d wait until they were in their 30s or so, but now they are just as likely to cheat in the first couple years of marriage.

    And it IS the system. It got blacks first, because they were the first targets of government programs and interference in the family. It took longer with whites, because we are the larger and more dominant culture/ethnicity, and we had a better financial support network, which kept the social workers at bay, but now it’s undeniably here.

    [blockquote]The point is that YOUR blaming the men alone is a sign of your ignorance concerning the issue. Frankly the few guys who are productive, try hard, and work, don’t stick around long sometimes because either their girls kick them out anyway, and fuck someone on the block who literally shot the man (happened here 2 weeks ago, a full report available on request) or they discover that one of the many neighborhood alpha male fuckers have been running trains on his girl […][/blockquote]

    I lived in kind of a ghetto apartment building once and saw this kind of thing regularly. Young women with a nice build would find a boyfriend, and when he was gone other guys would be coming in to see them. They’d laugh about their boyfriend on the phone, treat him like shit in person, etc. It’s enough to make a guy just give up and start treating all women like hookers. As for the domestic violence thing, I swear these girls sometimes acted like they wanted to be killed. They’d take the guy’s belongings and throw them out the window, break his CDs, you name it. Of course, he loses his temper and it’s straight to jail.

    However, I think white women are actually more likely to lie and perjure themselves to screw a guy over. This is probably because a lot of white guys still put up a fight for custody, whereas black guys have just accepted that they’re going to lose no matter what, so they cut their losses and run.

    If you are a man, black or white, and you find yourself facing the courts in a custody dispute, the social services people start to get involved. These people are mainly female, heavily lesbian college grads who have gone through all the anti-male BS that has become standard on campus — in fact many are women’s studies majors. The judge will listen to them, and if you are a man you will lose unless placing the children with the mother would put them in serious danger, e.g. she smokes crack and is homeless — and even then they will often put the child in foster care rather than with the father. I think even in those cases they’d like to keep them with the mother, but are afraid of getting sued over a dead kid and going to trial in front of a jury.

    The only thing you can do as a man is try to keep these court or state workers out of your family, but you can’t keep your wife from getting them involved, and she will if she wants to kick your ass. They will very gladly oblige her. This is really what wrecked black families in America, and now it’s doing the same thing to whites. There’s nothing that can stop it short of firing the lot of them, and I can’t imagine that’s going to happen short of a revolution.

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  211. Very feminine, much more so than American women period, in general, black or white.

    It’s funny noting at work that the white girls can dress in drab clothing, yet be friendly and very feminine, while you’ll see black girls with nails and heels, but be mean, and rather masculine in demeanour…

    They’d take the guy’s belongings and throw them out the window, break his CDs, you name it. Of course, he loses his temper and it’s straight to jail.

    My cousin would use anecdotes like that to explain his preference for non-native born black women. Who wants a girlfriend who’d tell the cop that he has drugs in the car during a traffic stop in order to get “revenge” for something he did earlier. Or a girlfriend who bitches and nags about everything wrong first thing in the morning?

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  212. PA:

    Their idea that the economy must constantly expand is as crazy as anything the lefties had ever come up with.

    It has to because our fiat money supply must always grow or there will be massive numbers of defaults on loans or very high inflation.

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  213. Well gentlemen, I see there’s been one heck of a discussion in my absence over the weekend! Many, many good points made and quite a few I was going to address have been covered and quite frankly better than I could. I am thankful for that.

    So, I’ll just register a few random thoughts.

    PA is 100% correct about the notions of “shamming” that sadly, quite a few Black Men have; its a term that older Black Men use, but the attitude is still there. And it dovetails into some questions posed by an exasperated Doug: why *don’t* more Black Men go to school, and/or work harder while there? Why isn’t there a stronger effort made by “the community” to address these problems?

    Well, from where I sit, I think the truth of the matter is that its a lot like a Sisysphian (did I spell that right?) effort; you roll a boulder uphill only to have the thing go tumbling back down the hill and have to start over. The allure of street life is nothing new to Black folk, read the lit of the times in the Harlems, Detriots, Chicagos and the like from the 30s and 40s-but with the Four Sirens taking such a strong hold, coming at the same time that real, meaningful blue collar unskilled and semi-skilled work, that acted as a pathway both to greater chances to move up the ladder, and a real middle class life came to end in the late 70s-early 80s, the call of the streets got too hard to ignore.

    And while I’m on this point, let’s address something else that came in the 80s-Crack. A drug that was more addictive than straight-up cocaine, and cheaper to produce than heroin, along w/a network and attendant muscle and weapons technology that rivaled, if not surpasses, anything Al Capone had in the 30s, the Crack Wars literally was seen as a legitimate career path not only for Black but also Hispanic young Men. Now, before I go on, let me break it down so you follow what I’m saying here:

    1920s to early 1960s: Black marital rates high, cooperative networks (neighbors, civic & community involvement high, “middle class norms high, single motherhood rates low) in force, quite possibly in part due to Segregation & Jim Crow laws; even in densely populated urban areas, things weren’t as bad as today (again, documented in the writings of many Black writers of the period, like Baldwin, McKay, etc.).

    Mid 1960s: Civil Rights Movement, Anti-Vietnam War Movement, Second Wave Feminism Movement-in other words, White Male America was under heavy assault, major on the ideas and assumptions “he” put forth, and often literally on the “man” himself in varied forms. A wholesale rejection of the norms that had been the coin of the realm began to take place, first among the so-called Hippies and Flower Children, and then among Blacks themselves, as many began not only to reject, but openly question the tactics, and very person, of Martin Luther King himself-recall Stokely Carmichael’s direct challenging of MLK’s non-violent strategy, his rejection of genteel ways and norms, transforming into a more strident, militant figure as Kwame Toure’. It was in this environment that the next few very important events would take place:

    Late 1960s-mid 1970s: LBJ’s Great Society program, which brought massive Welfare programs, which actually stipulated that the father *be out of the home* in order to qualify for assistance, Affirmative Action widely instituted for both Blacks (which included Women) but even more importantly WHITE WOMEN; Roe v. Wade & the Pill both widely available; the Swinging Culture takes off; No-Fault Divorce comes online; big manufacturing, plants and shops begin closing in droves, following White Flight into suburbia after the Riots that swept accross the country in the wake of King’s death; “industrial parks” sprung up like daisies, the last stop for American manufacturing before finally being shipped over seas.

    In many ways, this period marked the figurative, and literal, once you take King and Bobby Kennedy into account, death(s) of American Middle Class Norms. Both King & Kennedy literally represented said norms, for Blacks & a whole heck of a lot of Whites. Think about it: today’s “Liberal” ain’t the same as a “Kennedy” Liberal. Liberalism itself began to transform, as did its counterpart Conservatism-both became even more polarized, more shrill, more strident, more ideological. More…militant.

    Late 1970s-early 1980s: if I may use a pop-cultural signpost, this was the “Good Times” era. Massive housing projects loomed in America’s inner cities, surrounded by what was left of an earlier time in American life; singlemoms predominated the areas and era. Crime was rampant, even before the advent of Crack. Unemployment figures for Black Men hit double digit figures never to go back down. The Four Sirens are alive and well.

    The relative few who could got out and formed the basis of the Black Middle Class, exemplified by yet another major pop-cultural signpost: The Cosby Show, which came along in the latter half of this period. I recall intense “barbershop” debates among Black Men, on which show had depicted “the real Black America”. I’m fairly sure Kamal, and perhaps even Dave Alex and Chic Noir, know what I’m talking about here. It was during this period, more than any other, that began to see a clear divide, between Black America’s middle, and underclasses. The working class, was all but wiped out.

    By now I trust you can see where I’m going w/this, the massive shift in just about everything we knew or thought we knew about American life underwent dramatic *and swift* change. Keep in mind please, we’re only talking what, 20, 25 years, max? That’s quite powerful by anyone’s estimate.

    OK-so let’s go back to Doug’s questions. The Occam’s Razor’s answers might sound a bit like this:

    Why should a Black Man go to work “swinging a hammer” or flipping burgers, when he can literally make hundreds, if not thousands of dollars A DAY? Sure, the chances of him doing jailtime, to say nothing of being hurt/shot or killed, or considerable, but the upshot is real money, more than he will ever see in his life.

    We’ve all heard that line of reasoning before, right? And let’s be honest, while a tremendous number of guys don’t wind up making big money, the fact remains that the chance to do so makes it lucrative enough to give it a whirl.

    Still, that kinda rings hollow. What if we pushed on Roissy’s “Four Sirens” theory just a bit more, to answer Doug’s question…

    What if, as Whiskey suggested, so many Black Men wind up taking what looks like the path of least resistance (and trust me when I tell you, slingin’ cooked-up rocks in the Badlands is NOT “easy work”) just might be, because that’s what Women, in this case Black and Hispanic Women, wanted?

    Hmm?

    Again: Evolutionary theory holds, that the Female selects which Male will mount her. One reason why the jails and graveyards are so full of Black and Hispanic Men, is because Black and Hispanic Women select the kinds of guys who can offer the lifestyle, or at least the promise for one, that Mr. Hammerswinger and Mr. Burgerflipper cannot.

    Follow the Hormones.

    If Black and Hispanic Women, those between late teens to late 20s, said today that the latter two types of Men above were in demand and the Stringer Bells of the world were not, things would change overnight. Trust me, I know. I’ve talked to far too many Black and Hispanic guys who will tell you in a heartbeat that the females don’t wanna be bothered unless you got a nice care, and all the trappings of the Ghetto Fabulous life. I’ve heard at least as many females say so, quite explicitly.

    And, as some of you may recall, at my own cousin’s funeral-a drug dealer who was gunned down in a shower of Glock 9mm bullets by a rival thug in front of a popular club-TWO Black Women literally fought over his body while in his casket, as to who was his, and I quote now, “real bitch”. My cousin worked in one of the dying industrial parks doing semi-skilled sheetmetal work, and found that he could make in a day, two days max, what he could make a week at that shop. Guess which “career path” won out?

    And does anyone honestly think he could have pulled hot chicks w/the former lowly job? When he worked there, he was taking the bus; slinging rock, he had his own ride. Need I say more?

    PA mentioned my example insofar as honest labor was concerned, and I deeply thank him for that. The sad truth is, that there are far too few guys like me and far too many of the “Shamming” types or, guys like my cuz who couldn’t resist the allure of the crack money, because simply put, it got you access to some of the best Poon available in the inner city…which leads me to another point:

    Please, please, please do not allow yourself to think, that only the “ghetto mamas” want this. If you do, you are seriously fooling yourself. Two vivid examples, again from my own life, bear this out.

    At my cousin’s funeral, two Women fought over his casket, as I mentioned earlier. One of them was a Mary J. Blige type. The other? A certified BAP living in Philly’s Cheltenham Township, a stompdown Black Boughi suburb, working in one of Philly’s legal eagle skyscrapers. Yup, she knew what my cuz was doing-how does a mid 20-something year old Black guy get such a nice Caddy, among other things?

    Example number two.

    My Dad, while a hardworking Man, also was known to enjoy a day at the horseraces and at the Blackjack table in AC. He gambled quite a bit, always did even before he met my Mom, and they had words over it. Luckily, we never missed a meal or sat in the dark due to his gambling ways, but he was known to blow quite a bit of cash, and, my Mom coming from more Northeastern staid middle class sensibilities, wasn’t none too comfortable w/such a pastime.

    Until, that is, when my Dad hit at the races for about 100 grand. All her yammering stopped. Cold.

    She didn’t resist Dad buying her a Buick Regal cash off the showroom floor.

    She didn’t resist Dad buying her the newest latest fridges w/the icemaker thingy, either.

    Nor did she give my Dad another lecture when he bought her a floor model stereo, encased in wood and complete w/disco lights that lit in time to the beat of the music.

    She. Didn’t. Say. A. Word.

    This was about a decade before my cuz died, which was the early 90s.

    One more thought.

    One reason why I never go on a moralist jihad is because when I was in highschool I got to meet a guy we all called Spanish Ed. He was a Puerto Rican, hence the moniker, a youngbuck of about 18. We all went to summer school together.

    Ed has his own house, two cars, one of em a Porsche 911, several Ninja bikes, and a pro DJ sound system setup to die for. Oh, and he was one of the first people I saw who had the bigassed widescreen tv’s. His little brother, who reminded me of a Spanish Urkel, used to play Sega on it in between selling crack through the heavily gated frontdoors.

    One day while hanging over Ed’s house, I sat w/him while he counted his money that he took in over the last month. It was the first time I had actually seen one of those money counting machines I first saw in Scarface.

    Ed counted out more than, ready for this, A HUNDRED GRAND. In his living room. And that’s not counting the water cooler sized jugs of coins-Ive seen crackheads pay for their 2 and 3 dollar hits in pennies-lined up along the farside of the wall, I don’t know, 4 or 5 of em?

    Honest question-how many of you has seen, in cold hard currency, in excess of 100 thousand dollars, on a table? Hmm? And you’re not even 21 yet?

    And pussy? My God, Ed was swimming in it, his cellie, which back then looked like a cordless phone w/a dorky antenna on top, rang for only two reasons-business, or pussy. And he had to leave the cellie in the car during school hours. I can understand why Dave Alex’s peeps would go for the Latinas, they make you weak at the knees they so hot looking. And Ed had some of thee hottest Boriquas I have ever seen. Hands down.

    So, why didn’t I get in while the gettin’ was good? I’ve asked myself that same question over and over in the years since. I and my brother, who had close friends in the JBM, have been offered to join in. Neither of us did. I don’t know about him, but I have wondered if I did the right thing in the years since.

    What I do know, is that the money made from this thing, even today, is REAL, and I don’t even feel right fixing my mouth to lecture anyone about taking the high road. I just don’t. I do it for me, and if someone asks, I’ll give em my view that my path is best, otherwise, I aint got no rap, because I been there. The shit is no joke.

    Got some other thoughts to share but I’ll shut em down for now. Holla back.

    O

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  214. “Ed counted out more than, ready for this, A HUNDRED GRAND. In his living room. And that’s not counting the water cooler sized jugs of coins-Ive seen crackheads pay for their 2 and 3 dollar hits in pennies-lined up along the farside of the wall, I don’t know, 4 or 5 of em?”

    * keels over *

    Thirty minutes later . . .

    Yep, it’s just like that Untouchables TV series fifty years ago when the bad guys tell Elliot Ness they got into it because there’s assloads of money to be made. Your story highlights the chick-pulling of Alphas versus Omegas. It one where Omegas think “there’s no way in hell I can compete with him!” It’s kinda like someone on a pushbike trying to outdrag a V12 car.

    P.S. Close – it’s actually Sisyphean

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  215. They’re just looking for a few good (alpha) men.

    Just in case anybody has any doubts about the situation as described by Roissy. The data just keeps coming in.

    http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/national/news/20090613p2a00m0na027000c.html

    The message is clear, guys. Man up.

    Now, I am sure there are niche markets which require a different sales approach, and that would be a nice topic for blogging. How to size up what a girl wants, and then give it to her, instead of doing your same old routine each time.

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  216. [email protected]

    On another note, I’ve got a chick in my bed right now – I picked her up at a party tonight – what’s the least rude way of saying “Let’s not do this again”?”

    The least rude way?
    Give her my phone number, I’ll take that burden off your hands for a day or two.

    [email protected]
    ” For example, blacks conquered much of southern Africa from pygmy type peoples. Do the blacks feel ashamed,”

    They bloody well should be.
    What’s gravy for the goose is gravy for the gander, many of the systemic problems in Africa today are indirect, and sometimes direct, consequences of earlier patterns of conquest and warfare on the part of the elites running certain African kingdoms from the 15th – 19th centuries. I spent a good deal of my life studying West and Southern African history. In absurd depth.

    I do not accept the might makes right thesis as a normative value, I simply accept it as demonstrable empirical observation of human nature at its extremes. That humanity is capable of better, without loosing its teeth, is obvious. For you, and I, and all of us here, value civility and the values of civilization within the “in group”, and we all decry barbarity and savagery when observed in others. Even though we are more forgiving, all of us, of savagery as practiced by our respective ancestors. This is a human norm. It is understandable. It can be viewed more objectively, however.

    Might makes right as a normative argument of biological determinism opens our descendents up to reprisals in future generations. Unless a conquest is conducted along lines in which those conquered are treated justly and see the advantages of the conquering system and newly imposed order. There are a few historical examples of this, but not many. I lack time today to go into details.

    The Romans were utter savages in the field but at least they built nifty aqueducts. The Mongols were barbaric rapine pillagers, but imposed surprisingly effective administrative infrastructures. The Arabs were often ruthless in the field, but often allowed far greater degrees of religious tolerance and upward mobility under conquered peoples than their previous rulers (hence the fact that most early Christian heresies thrived in Arab lands for 1000 years after the Church exterminated them in Europe)

    Such examples are, however, fewer than one would suspect and stealing land from pygmies at spear point, or giving Indians smallpox infected blankets, is as morally indefensible as Hitler’s final solution. Or Lenin & Trotsky’s early rampages and liquidation of the Kulaks (something whose historical veracity I STILL have to argue and bicker with progressive friends about)
    Sun Tzu’s observations of the nature of a true victory in war strike me as reasonable and sane, if for no other reason than survival.

    [email protected]
    “Implants would increase female beauty and their sexual appeal. More women would look remotely feminine, and there would finally be a reason to have sex with the lights on…”

    I give up. Tell you what, I’ll take all of the small breasted beauties who utterly disinterest you and you can have the poor wounded souls whose mental scars and inability to recognize their own beauty and inner, and outer, femininity

    “Just out of curiosity, how does one go on a sexual rampage in the ancient days of the past without getting a girl pregnant or catching an STD…”

    Well Thursday (re/Vasectomy) and PA answered this one well, but to go in a bit further detail.

    Western society did become rather syphilitic until well into the late 19th century. This was absurdly the case with the poor and working classes, and very much the case at the upper levels of society as well. The early crop of antibiotics was a bit effective in treating many STD’s, and they DID have condoms back then, they just weren’t that effective.

    Over all in the circles someone like Yeats would have been in, sluttishness was rather more circumscribed than today.

    What’s normal for slightly-slutty women in today’s world (10+ partners by 30) is the absolute upper ends of the least respectable depths of late 19th century sluttish ruination of character. Most libertine passing of partners took place in a closed social circle, circumscribed by norms of discretion

    Pregnancy was an immense social disgrace, bastardy took place of course, but was often disguised ( a woman would disappear from the social radar for 10 months, and suddenly end up with a little brother, or a new child would enter the orphanage) but also, don’t forget they had birth control back then of sorts. Condoms existed, and there was withdraw – I’m sure plenty of frisky women ended up with splendid money shots across their fair bows… an artful thruster gains a good deal of practice at timing…

    Elite artists or writers slutting around in their social milieu might discretely touch 10 or 15 women of elite social bearing, many of whom were married since singleness would have been rare outside of one’s teens, in an atmosphere non forgiving of overt scandal. Such liaisons would have been as careful as they were passionate. One or two skanky street whores notwithstanding, and a few better bred courtesans/higher bred whores, the probability of contracting certain social diseases would have been less than today. Apart from the clap, mostly passed on, back then, by skanks of the lowest variety, many other STD’s were either rare, or simply undiagnosed and unrecognized (HPV for example can not manifest in warts, and given that most people were quite hirsute in their personal hygiene then, GNP’s would tend also to hide such things…

    Which is why I favor bald eagles. As a gentleman, of course.

    Quality over quantity, you know.

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    ” For that matter, this goes for all peoples – the lands of all nations were won by conquest. Of course, few people realize this, as only white conquest is taught in the history books, in order to induce guilt and weakness.”

    I respectfully call B.S.

    Everyone who has ever paid a minute degree of attention in a freshman history class knows the degree of conquest that was the norm around the world.

    I freely admit that the dominant P.C. regime is biased in being less forgiving of EUROPEAN (not white, there are white civilizations outside of Europe you know) conquests, and the excesses of Western European civilization (not White, European) are harped upon. Then again such conquests were far more widespread in geographic scope (literally worldwide) than any previous civilization and have literally created the order in which we now dwell. So such biased over-focused on the historical barbarities of Western Civilizations, and glossing over the barbarities of the Aztecs, or Persians, or Chinese, is a matter of discontent within this civilization in an age in which this civilization’s conquests have built a civilization more widespread than any in history, and touched more peoples than ever before in history.

    None can deny this.

    Everyone learns about the conquests of Islamdom, of the Chinese, of Egypt. And the Bible is full of Hebrew and Jewish accounts of conquests. If they don’t then they were asleep in class. They just don’t learn as much… and as for the Bible, well stories of Jewish conquest are a dominant narrative visited in every bloody Sunday school in America. That some people don’t read the bible or go to church anymore does not invalidate my point, because this stuff is there, in the open, and mentioned. And form a frequent bone of contention by humanists, wiccans, and other religious discontents, against Judaic and Christian religions.

    That Def Leopard song “And the walls came tumbling down..” is a blatant reference to a non White, Jewish, Biblical conquest of Jericho. That some people sleep in Sunday school and miss these and similar references across the fabric of our culture isn’t my problem.

    We always see other’s criticism of our faults, and lack of attention to our virtues, in a sharper light than our own criticism of others’ faults, and our own lack of attention to their virtues. This is the case for the vast majority of people.

    And you know that it is true.

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  218. Obsidian – So, why didn’t I get in while the gettin’ was good? I’ve asked myself that same question over and over in the years since.

    Could it be the “easy come, easy go” thought you may have had in the back of your mind when you chose to walk the straight path?

    Spanish Ed’d money… in a way, he had it because The Man let him have it. The FBI to that point chose not to look into his activities, or set up a sting. The IRS didn’t get around to looking at his cashflow. One of his associates was not yet busted for something and asked to snitch on him.

    You see what I’m getting at? it’s like, despite all the poon and all the cash, there was always a sword hanging over his neck, and while the going was good, it could end at any moment.

    He was a dead man walking, every minute of his life. As you see, I am not even talking about rival gang violence. Simply the fact that ever day he counted his cash or banged a Latina was courtesy of The Man’s tardiness in dropping that sword on his neck.

    Was this why you didn’t wanna run with those guys?

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  219. — the long-term feeling of discrimination that can develop when you don’t see people like yourself in positions of power.

    I agree with this. Blogger Mencius Moldbug, who is a technocrat-utopian, argues that intelligence and competence are the only criteria worth considering in who runs things. But despite his beyond-genius IQ, I think he’s got a major blind spot.

    People resent it when alien faces are telling them what to do, even when the arrangement gives them a higher quality of life.

    — Admittedly, doesn’t Poland have a reputation of being a very militaristic and nation of proud warriors?

    Depends on what you mean by militaristic. For most of it’s pre-Partitions history (founding in 966 AD thru Third Partition in 1795) the Polish state was characterized by a monarchy that was kept weak by jealous, squabbling nobles. With exceptions, such as the powerful Jagiellonian Dynasty that begat the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth in the 15th century.

    This relative decentralization often kept the state disorganized and vulnerable to German or Swedish predations.

    On the other hand, Poland was expansive toward the east, when at the height of its power in the 1600s, it controlled virtually all of eastern Europe from the Baltic to the Black Sea. In Marxist terms, Poland was considered “the opressor” with regards to non-Polish eastern europeans, who labored as serfs under Polish nobles and landowners.

    Interestingly on that note, I was recently at a Ukrainian Festival in Baltimore, and saw some prints of their folk artwork, among which was an image of glorious-looking Ukrainian peasants slaughtering an avaricious-looking Pole.

    I chuckled at this piece of arcana, but this wasn’t always funny. Two generations ago — during WW2 — most of my wife’s family, who were rural Polish folk living in a majority-Ukrainian area, was murdered by Ukrainian partisants; her grandmother survived, and that’s why Mrs. PA is around today.

    Anyway, militaristically-speaking, here are some highlights:

    – 1410: the nascent Polish-Lithuanian kingdom defeats the Teutonic Knights in Battle of Grunwald (Tannenberg); the powerful Commonwealth is born.

    – 1683: a Polish-Lithuanian army with Germanic support, led by Poland’s king Jan Sobieski, destroyed the Turkish Ottoman army at the gates of Vienna, permanently ending the Muslim invasion of Europe.

    – of particular interest to you: in the 19th century, when Poland was under the Russian/Prussian/Austrian rule, Napoleon promised Poles a statehood, and recruited a Polish army to help quell the Haitian slave uprising. Upon arrival, most of these men died of malaria, and the disorganized survivors married into the black Haitian population. So presumably, there are some Haitians with a Polish ancestors out thre.

    – The 19th century also saw several major Polish uprisings against the Partition powers, and peasant risings against their co-ethnic lords, which lends credence to Poles’ reputation as Romantic fighters.

    – In 1920, there was the Polish-Soviet war that I described earlier, in which the Poles under Jozef Pilsudski thwarted the Bolsheviks’ march on Berlin and Paris.

    – In 1944, Poles staged a major, suicidally-heroic uprising against the Nazi occupiers, known as the Warsaw Uprising. (Not to be confused with the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto uprising). The fighting lasted for 63 days, and the whole itself was an epic-scale tragedy. The reason for launchng the uprising was very political. The Soviet Army was on the march, liberating Poland from the Nazi occupation, and the London-based Polish government in exile wanted to liberate the capital without Soviet assistance, to ameliorate the USSR’s claim upon post-war Poland.

    Though the fighting lasted for an impossible 63 days and the German losses were heavy, the city fell. The atrocities were savage. The Germans, who were short on manpower, brought in Ukrainian mercenaries, whose atrocities were savage. Poles were aided by American and British airdrops of supplies.

    In the end, the Germans held, and at Hitler’s orders, razed the entire city. The remaining population was slaughtered or deported.

    Anyway, to anyone with interested in this piece of history, here you go.

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  220. PA, thanks for the the trip down memory lane.

    I don’t suspect you use this sort of stuff picking up girls, do you?

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  221. on June 14, 2009 at 12:07 pm Days of Broken Arrows

    That’s really funny. I was just gonna say that I hope all these long-winded history lessons aren’t part of anyone’s pick up routines.

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  222. The woman is obviously lying. When a woman wants to duck you is when the lame excuses begin. Car trouble, busy with classes, whatever. If she cares about you, then 99.9% of the time she will find a way to see you or at least contact you. And if not, she will have an excellent excuse and will be very apologetic.

    Ok, so she’s a classic flaky liar. However, the fact is that most women have a tendency to act this way with guys they are trying to brush off.

    What makes it worse is that you’ve already had sexual intercourse. A woman who can pull that kind of nonsense on a guy she slept with is bad news.

    I can see continuing some kind of relationship with her if you are the kind of guy who is comfortable with short term uncommitted relationships. But I wouldn’t expect any kind of commitment from her. Leopards don’t change their spots and this is pretty clearly a woman who is not capable of committing herself to another person.

    My opinion only.

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  223. I was just gonna say that I hope all these long-winded history lessons aren’t part of anyone’s pick up routines

    Whew, good call dude!

    And there I was, just about to game with a hot babe with the relativistic implications of Avogadro’s number vis a vis Schroedinger’s Cat.

    Silly me, I thought her eyes were glazing over because she was itching for me in her panties.

    It’s also a good thing you stopped Obsidian just as he was about to seduce a chick with a decade-by-decade narrative of the African American history, and Kamal, before he unloaded with a trip-thru-hisory discourse on syphilis.

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  224. Obsidian

    Regarding women fighting over an alpha corpse.
    Ever see the movie, “White Mischief”? It is set among anglo immigrants in Kenya in the 1940s. One character was a local player who was bedding all the local hotties, most of whom were married, until one of the husbands shot him. One of his paramours snuck into the funeral home/viewing room after all the others had left, put her hand down inside her panties and then gently smeared the scent-offering on his mustache.
    I love sentimental scenes like that in the movies.

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  225. on June 14, 2009 at 12:50 pm Lawyer from Hell

    PA,

    There is a reason V for Vendetta was set in England.

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  226. Never saw V for Vendetta… it was a depiction of an inverted reality in which fascist Christians throw Muslims and homosexuals into concentration camps?

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  227. And by the way, I don’t think it’s really a test of “game.” What’s the point of gameing this woman? You’re not going to convert her from shameless lying slut into a loyal, devoted wife or girlfriend.

    I imagine I will be labeled a suck up beta for saying this, but I also think the same thing applies to guys. A guy who feels the need to fuck around even during the early stages of a relationship is not husband material.

    There’s a difference between (1) a guy who has an occasional fling after many years of marriage to a wife who pays more attention to the children and who has let herself go a bit; and (2) a guy who feels he must be dating other women even in the honeymoon period of a sexual relationship.

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  228. And by the way, I don’t think it’s really a test of “game.”

    It was a test of game. In the sense that you were called to handle a big shit-test.

    That particular woman may or may not have been LTR material; it was not clear that she was a slut… her move was disrespectful, but she was with the guy for only 6 weeks, and non-slutty reasons for her disappearance were plausible.

    I thought that scenario was a nice test of one’s love-detective skills and ability to make the right follow-up in response.

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  229. Well, shit tests never end. They are just part of what women do. All women, even 109-year-old great-great-grannies.

    WHat was the reward for passing that girl’s shit test? Dignity and an upper hand in deciding whether to continue banging her, cultivating her for an LTR, or dumping her.

    Roissy did say that his buddy guy liked her, so there was value in salvaging things if they were salvageable, and on his terms.

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  230. “In the sense that you were called to handle a big shit-test. ”

    I would agree with you if the couple hadn’t already had a significant sexual relationship. But what’s the reward for passing this shit-test? More shit to deal with.

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  231. on June 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm Comment_Whatever

    Ryder said:

    For that matter, this goes for all peoples – the lands of all nations were won by conquest. Of course, few people realize this, as only white conquest is taught in the history books, in order to induce guilt and weakness.

    Kamal said:

    I respectfully call B.S.
    ……….

    I freely admit that the dominant P.C. regime is biased in being less forgiving of EUROPEAN (not white, there are white civilizations outside of Europe you know) conquests, and the excesses of Western European civilization (not White, European)
    ……..

    European history? Oh, Kamal is one of those Liberals who doesn’t let whites even call themselves white. They are required to call themselves European. Tell me, Kamal, am I allowed to say “Happy Christmas!” or am I required, by your respectful self, to say “Happy Holidays!”?

    Kamal goes on:

    Everyone learns about the conquests of Islamdom, of the Chinese, of Egypt. And the Bible is full of Hebrew and Jewish accounts of conquests. If they don’t then they were asleep in class. They just don’t learn as much…

    Well, if it is possible for the children to figure the real story out for themselves, then clearly there is nothing wrong with deliberately deceiving them!

    EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!

    Kamal says:

    We always see other’s criticism of our faults, and lack of attention to our virtues, in a sharper light than our own criticism of others’ faults, and our own lack of attention to their virtues. This is the case for the vast majority of people.

    And you know that it is true.

    I’ve seen little evidence of this supposed ‘over-reaction’ among whites, I mean EUROPEANS, I just can’t seem to help myself. In fact, most EUROPEANS I know are FAR more sensitive to criticism of other races than their own.

    Which has nothing to do with the actual question, Kamal. The question is whether the criticism of white… err EUROPEAN, civilization is unfair and biased. Since you have already admitted that it is, then I have no idea what you are saying.

    Actually, though, I know exactly what Kamal is saying. He is saying whites, I mean EUROPEANS!, are over-reacting to being unfairly criticized.

    And since EUROPEANS are over-reacting to injustice, they need to shut up and take their injustice with a smile.

    As a fun game, change EUROPEAN to Mexican, Black, Asian, Indian or any other race, and ask yourself if ANYONE in America would even think of telling them they were ‘over-reacting’ to injustice.

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  232. “Well, shit tests never end. They are just part of what women do. All women, even 109-year-old great-great-grannies.”

    In my experience, that’s just not true. I’ve had lots of women play flaky head games with me, but the women I’ve had sex with haven’t behaved this way. For example, my wife never cancels a date at the last minute or disappears with some lame excuse.

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  233. the women I’ve had sex with haven’t behaved this way

    Shit tests vary in style, depending on the woman and your relationship, but they can be as subtle as her having a snippy mood, or pulling you in another direction as you walk together to see if you follow her or stay in charge, so to speak.

    Women aren’t even aware that thay are doing these shit tests. And yes, you are right, the really disrespectful shit tests aren’t something they do if they already respect you, because you have a track-record of passing gentler shit-tests.

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  234. @LR

    I like your new picture, very pretty.

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  235. LR, you have an interesting point there… a lot of men responded that the guy in question should just have sex with other girls.

    But I think a guy with class and standards (a true “alpha” in that sense) would not give such a simplistic, barbaric response (just screw another girl!) to a woman’s flakiness / lack of responsibility.

    Hence, Roissy’s solution to flirt with other girls and act indifferently (giving the hint of infidelity and therefore inducing nervousness)…

    It’s only the immature ones who would actually go into outright banging other girls… an overreaction.

    But I have to say, unless the woman is going through some emotional fears of moving too fast or some personal emergency, her actions are shady and the man has to do something to establish control and respect.

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  236. If a man disappears for a weekend after almost 2 months of becoming emotionally very close, a woman of standards would have to take measures, as well, if she wanted something serious. Neither gender should accept this (barring personal issues going on). Goes both ways.

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  237. why people still refuse to acknowledge that men value women with few or no previous sexual partners, while women value exactly the opposite, is beyond me. it certainly requires effort, eve more for those who read THIS BLOG regularly

    seriously, how many times you have heard a women boast that her current BF is a virgin, or that she knocked the dust of him, as they say, and how many times a man boasted about deflowering a girl, just count it

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  238. @ Kamal

    the West is being conquered, in resume.

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  239. meaningful blue collar unskilled and semi-skilled work, that acted as a pathway both to greater chances to move up the ladder, and a real middle class life came to end in the late 70s-early 80s, the call of the streets got too hard to ignore

    To a certain extent, I’m going to have to agree with you here, and your assessment has some backing from prominent sociologists who have looked at the issue. During the 1950 and 1960s, there was a mass movement of blacks from the South to Northern and Midwestern industrial cities* to fill excess jobs that existed due to generally low immigration and ultra-high demand during that period. Of course, as industrial capacity winded downward a few years later in urban locales, you ended up with a labour pool with nothing better to do, and with welfare coming along at the same time, an incentive for women to avoid unemployed males. The main reason for industrial ouput moving to suburbs and eventually Southern areas is because land is cheaper and more ample in urban areas, and combined with the completion of actual stretches of Interstate and direct freight railroad access, and to a certain extent, less corrupt politicians, it was pretty easy to see why industry fled.

    Interestingly, my mom noted that while native-born blacks would generally complain that a factory moved to the suburbs with no public transport, Haitian immigrants would somehow pool resources together to buy a van with everybody chipping in on each ride to help defray operating and capital costs. Others have noted similar trends with Hispanic immigrants, so it leads one to ask why didn’t similar social structures develop?

    if I may use a pop-cultural signpost, this was the “Good Times” era.

    I’d agree with you for Good Times as the archetype in question for the working class. To a certain extent, I’d argue that the unemployment of the 1970s ended up driving women into welfare and eschewing marriage to maintain it. To a certain extent, most women just aren’t willing to support a perpetually unemployed man, especially if she’s able to maintain employment for herself, or she’s securing welfare checks, or she can secure a drug dealer with actual income. And she’s certainly not going to get married if it means losing her welfare unless she can find a man who can replace welfare and the opportunity costs, and sadly for some working class black men, those wages just aren’t high enough to do so.

    Why should a Black Man go to work “swinging a hammer” or flipping burgers, when he can literally make hundreds, if not thousands of dollars A DAY?

    While most drug dealers don’t earn petro-dollars selling drugs, the payoff from working hard in drug dealing is much greater than working hard at McDonalds. Of course, as an interesting experiment, I’d wonder if the drug dealers with high rates of success have higher IQs than those that have not done as well…

    While I’m on that point, since I’ve known quite a few Haitian and Jamaican Women, let me say that you can find Sapphireism there, too, they just as loud, boisterous, and aggressive as any American born Negress, OK?

    It’s a trait that seems to be a bit more common in the children of immigrants, but I can’t deny that those traits do exist in the Caribbean community. There’s a Jamaican girl at work who reeks of such behaviour, and we’re amazed that her Filipino boyfriend puts up with it since she isn’t that good looking. In contrast, the black single moms have been some of the nicest people at work…

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  240. “Shit tests vary in style, depending on the woman and your relationship”

    It depends how broadly you define the phrase “shit test.” Let’s just say that the husband of this woman can expect to have a lifetime of aggravation.

    “In the same breath nearly ALL the guys here agreed that the guy in the story should be out ‘banging other chicks or trying to’ while she’s gone.”

    Seems to me that the woman in this situation fired the first shot, so to speak. Since she’s demonstrated a lack of commitment, it’s not unreasonable for the guy to try to keep his options open.

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  241. on June 14, 2009 at 2:59 pm Marcus Aureliette

    Avogadro’s number

    For a good time, call 6.02 times 10 to the 23rd….

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  242. “If a man disappears for a weekend after almost 2 months of becoming emotionally very close, a woman of standards would have to take measures, as well, if she wanted something serious”

    I agree 100%.

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  243. on June 14, 2009 at 3:08 pm Lawyer from Hell

    PA

    “Never saw V for Vendetta… it was a depiction of an inverted reality in which fascist Christians throw Muslims and homosexuals into concentration camps?”

    Heh, in that sense it is inverted, the drive to totalitarianism though is not.

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  244. @brazil84

    by what I read in this blog, American women are true vampires, the worst on Earth, so their behaviour is some sort of upperbound of female vampireness.

    side story, an anedcote. I was with a groups of friends in a bar, male and female, and people were already drunk, when the subject adultery appeared. One of the women, a 30 year old and married, but still hot, said that she would never betray her husband with someone known to them both, but only with a complete stranger, a guy she met in a conference, and in an airport connection, these kind of situations in which anonimity would be assured. she certainly regrets having said that, but it was one of those enlightening moments in life, when a supposedly EXTREMELY serious woman exposes femininity in its true colors

    the other side of the coin. I am not living in Rio anymore, so I don~t have a car here and in my frequent trips I have to use taxis a lot, which is not bad since they are the cheapest in the country. So I talk a lot with taxi drivers. Last friday a taxi driver told me about how many married women he fucks, specially because they think like the friend above. By his account, the women like to know that he is himself married to an evangelical women and has a boy and a girl, so he won~t be coming after them for money, since his own marriage would be at risk. They then massively shit test him, and by his answer, they promote him to the fuckbuddy cathegory. This is the second case in 3 months, of taxi drivers with credible stories of fucking married, upper class women.

    the stories are absolutely Roissyesque, since they all include the women saying that ^my husband doesnt do it the way I want^ meme.

    It is not ALL taxi drivers. But I now firmly believe that there is a ^secret society^ of a few taxi drivers in this city fucking around hugely. which fits just perfectly with a women wishing the cheat her husband with an anonimous alpha

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  245. on June 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm Lawyer from Hell

    If a slave is a willing slave, is he still a slave?

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  246. on June 14, 2009 at 3:18 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Gig:

    Limos drivers, wedding days, and brides. That’s all I’m going to say . . .

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  247. not in wedding days, the risk would be top high. also, limos are not THAT hard to spot, unlike taxis.

    but yes, more than one millionare has got a limo driver~s son to raise, and more than one millionare is oblivious to his grand son being actually fathered by the limo driver.

    limo drivers would fuck the ultra high class women, while taxi drivers would fuck the middle and upper middle classes.

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  248. “why people still refuse to acknowledge that men value women with few or no previous sexual partners, while women value exactly the opposite, is beyond me. it certainly requires effort, eve more for those who read THIS BLOG regularly

    seriously, how many times you have heard a women boast that her current BF is a virgin, or that she knocked the dust of him, as they say, and how many times a man boasted about deflowering a girl, just count it”

    @gig —

    Oh that’s just because of straight up PC.

    The PCers and feminists do not want men to prize women who have lower sexual odometers as partners, because they think that this is sexist. In reality, it’s biological more than it is sexist, and that is why it has proven hard to uproot. A woman with 20+ sexual partners is not attractive as a partner to most self-respecting men. She may be attractive as a bedmate, or a mistress, or a FWB .. but not LTR/partner material at all. The women who like being slutty don’t like that, because they want to slut themselves around as much as they like and get off the cock carousel (as Roissy puts it) whenever they like, as if none of that history matters to the guy they want to partner with. But it does matter, and it will always matter, because a woman with a high sexual odometer is a much higher infidelity risk, and female infidelity leads to worse outcomes for men than male infidelity does for women. So that attitude is never going to change, really, despite all of the finger wagging and harangues about sexism and double standards.

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  249. ” American women are true vampires,”

    I’m not sure what you mean by “vampire,” but in my experience most women (including American women) won’t cheat if their relationship with their husband is decent. Even if the husband doesn’t care and even if the husband wants them to cheat.

    There are a good number of men out there who like the idea of their wife or girlfriend cheating on them and for the most part, those men have a hard time finding someone willing to acommodate their fetish.

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  250. I give up. Tell you what, I’ll take all of the small breasted beauties who utterly disinterest you and you can have the poor wounded souls whose mental scars and inability to recognize their own beauty and inner, and outer, femininity

    If you’re only interested in sex, who cares about inner beauty? Enjoy the sex, have your orgasm, and leave when you’re done. The repeat the process on another day with the same woman or on new women. There is no need to have to worry about silly concepts like inner beauty or self-esteem when you’re chasing an orgasm.

    And yes, those girls with the small chests have less outer beauty and femininity than their counterparts with fake tits. As far as I’m concerned, a small chest is a man’s chest.

    many of whom were married since singleness would have been rare outside of one’s teens

    Sounds like cuckoldry in the days before feminism…

    People resent it when alien faces are telling them what to do, even when the arrangement gives them a higher quality of life.

    The problem in the American case is greatly amplified by the fact that black people tend to overestimate their numbers with most black people thinking that their population is larger than the 12.5% that it currently occupies. Plus, given the nearly four hundred year history of blacks in America, and the legacy of slavery and blatant discrimination until the 1960s, and you’ll have an antagonized population that will never feel at ease, and wonders why they aren’t as well represented as professionals, politicians, and elite businesspeople. The same concerns and issues could easily develop in the case of a multi-ethnic state where all ethnicities are of the same race.

    the stories are absolutely Roissyesque, since they all include the women saying that ^my husband doesnt do it the way I want^ meme.

    Even the magical candyland of Machismo Brazil, women still cuckold their beta husbands for an alpha taxi driver. Make the women only want alpha meme even more attractive…

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  251. “One of the women, a 30 year old and married, but still hot, said that she would never betray her husband with someone known to them both, but only with a complete stranger, a guy she met in a conference, and in an airport connection, these kind of situations in which anonimity would be assured. she certainly regrets having said that, but it was one of those enlightening moments in life, when a supposedly EXTREMELY serious woman exposes femininity in its true colors”

    Yep, women are sexual opportunists extraordinaire. They are also very, very good at hiding it, for the most part (unlike your drunk friend here …). For the most part, the husbands are clueless and think that “my wife is not like that” — not realizing that *all* women are sexual opportunists to the extent that they can pull it off. And it’s preferred that the partner be an anonymous “zipless fuck”, or another man who is married, precisely so that the collateral damage can be minimized and she’s more likely to carry on the charade with the husband more successfully.

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  252. on June 14, 2009 at 3:33 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Gig,

    The “high risk” is part of the thrill for some brides.

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  253. “I’m not sure what you mean by “vampire,” but in my experience most women (including American women) won’t cheat if their relationship with their husband is decent.”

    @brazil84 —

    I don’t think that holds true any longer, if it ever did. Women are apt to cheat once the sexual relationship with the husband normalizes or cools off. The cheating ones will tell you that they still love their husband, but they are looking for passion elsewhere. And today they have huge opportunities to do that due to laxer sexual mores, and the fact that most women are circulating closely to other men during most of their work lives. A marriage counselor in the US will tell you that female infidelity in marriages is very high at the moment, and that often the affairs start before the wife feels like her relationship is not good –> that is, she is simply looking for passion that has cooled, as it normally does over time, in her marriage.

    Women are generally very, very good at hiding this, and so the extent of it is generally understated in the conventional wisdom. It’s only when you speak to professionals who see tons of contemporary married couples in trouble that you get an honest picture of just how much female infidelity is going on — and in many cases, the husband will never find out, even long after the divorce, that she was in a few other guys’ beds before she decided to divorce him — that’s a secret she takes with her to the grave, and he always thinks she was “not that kind of woman”.

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  254. Oh man.

    If there is anything I’ve learned in my (ahem) years of dating is that people are not that complicated. If they want you, they’re bloody obvious about it.

    As in, they call and/or write. End of story. Take the hint. Shit tests should be failed on purpose.

    Usually it’s girls trying to trying to read too much into boy behavior, i.e, he-loves-me-he-loves-me-not. News flash: He doesn’t. I guess guys read too much into things too, huh? Interesting.

    Everyone should be going at it like rabbits until they settle down to monogamy anyway. Now if only men could absorb the concept of “she’s not that into me” without immediately ascribing ill motives to the woman or jumping into the slut-shaming. Ah well, perhaps that’s to much to ask, egos being what they are.

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  255. “I don’t think that holds true any longer, if it ever did”

    Whatever, it’s just my experience. As mentioned above there are lots of guys looking for a girlfriend or wife who will cheat on them. Most of those guys are unable to find someone.

    And I disagree that women are especially good at hiding their infidelity. The fact is that a one night stand is pretty easy to conceal. A long term mistress or lover is much harder.

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  256. @novaseeker: “Women are generally very, very good at hiding this, and so the extent of it is generally understated in the conventional wisdom.”

    You are wrong. Women are dumb in too many ways to count. Just a small example: I have personally stuck my dong in … geezus, at least a half dozen married women with “artist studios.” Basically, you can assume that any married woman with an artist studio is a slut, and her “artist studio” is a brothel. Yet, there are many married men who will boast about their talented artist wives. Idiots. I’ve also boffed married women in their own goddamned driveways, sent them home with jizz in their hair, etc. They’re not very smart at all; usually pretty reckless, actually. I think they’re usually expressing their contempt for their husbands more than they’re expressing any desire for my meat torpedo. The thing is, their husbands are as dumb as a box full of rocks so it doesn’t really matter. Men’s capacity for self deception is a lot greater than women’s ability to be sneaky.

    Oh sure, some of them will be suspicious, and they’re almost always right, but they’re never right as to who it might be.

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  257. Ryder Hopefully, eastern Europeans will have the sense not to go down this crazy path of national suicide
    and
    PA I came across the two most chilling words imaginable:
    “Labor shortage”

    *whispers in the ears of Ryder and PA*
    Vietnamese immigrants have already flooded parts of Eastern Europe as a result of the labor shortage.

    Willard libby She’s just not showing up on my Evil Skank Radar.
    I can’t believe it but I agree with Willard here.

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  258. Don’t forget that blacks were once considered property, not unlike domestic animals. Treating humans like that is guaranteed to have some interesting blowback.

    //The problem in the American case is greatly amplified by the fact that black people tend to overestimate their numbers with most black people thinking that their population is larger than the 12.5% that it currently occupies. Plus, given the nearly four hundred year history of blacks in America, and the legacy of slavery and blatant discrimination until the 1960s, and you’ll have an antagonized population that will never feel at ease, and wonders why they aren’t as well represented as professionals, politicians, and elite businesspeople. The same concerns and issues could easily develop in the case of a multi-ethnic state where all ethnicities are of the same race.//

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  259. people overestimate women~s ability to hide feelings. even though they do it better than men, it is not that hard to notice. as an obama official would say, it only requires awareness.

    also, women will cheat only with a men of higher status, IF they have the opportunity, IF they are assured there won~t be any blowbacks, IF the husband has been beta for a VERY long time, IF the husband is completely oblivious to her quickly vanishing love,

    a cheating woman is merely the realization of an already failed male. the man must have committed sequential mistakes for a long time until she cheats

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  260. Don’t forget that blacks were once considered property, not unlike domestic animals. Treating humans like that is guaranteed to have some interesting blowback.

    Yes, Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian were “interesting blowback” of the 19th century. And David Alexander is going to bust a cap in some honkey because slavery made him do it. And non-blacks were NEVER mistreated in the course of history.

    What an ingratiating little bitch. You’re not trying to suck black dick. Are you, Lucy?

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  261. Dred Scott v. Sandford

    “beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”

    //And non-blacks were NEVER mistreated in the course of history.//

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  262. on June 14, 2009 at 4:39 pm Willard Libby

    gig – This is the second case in 3 months, of taxi drivers with credible stories of fucking married, upper class women.

    the stories are absolutely Roissyesque,

    And by Roissyesque you mean they are totally made up fantasies.

    It is not ALL taxi drivers. But I now firmly believe that there is a ^secret society^ of a few taxi drivers in this city fucking around hugely.

    Right, it’s fashionable for loser/omega cab drivers to brag about being Mr. Desirable and to falsely claim all sorts of sexual experiences with rich, married upper class women.

    It aint happening except in the imagination of unrealistic, cynical men.

    which fits just perfectly with a women wishing the cheat her husband with an anonimous alpha.

    On what planet do women view cab drivers as Alphas?

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  263. Heinrich Himmler:

    “All Poles will disappear from the world. […] It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.”

    Where do I pick up my blowback credits?

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  264. Slavery in the US- until 1866. Legalized racism- until late 1960s..

    One word- Timescale!

    //Where do I pick up my blowback credits?//

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  265. Kamal wrote:
    “I freely admit that the dominant P.C. regime is biased in being less forgiving of EUROPEAN (not white, there are white civilizations outside of Europe you know) conquests, ”

    What would these “white civilizations outside of Europe” be? Australia? USA? Canada? Siberia?

    Kamal wrote:
    “Everyone learns about the conquests of Islamdom, of the Chinese, of Egypt. And the Bible is full of Hebrew and Jewish accounts of conquests. If they don’t then they were asleep in class. They just don’t learn as much… and as for the Bible, well stories of Jewish conquest are a dominant narrative visited in every bloody Sunday school in America.”

    Everyone? I know people throw around the word “everyone” when all they mean to say is “most people” or “the vast majority of people” but even if that’s what you meant to say you would be way off. This is post-America. Maybe in an America that actually delivered real educations to most educable people you could say “Everyone learns about the non-White conquerors,” but you can’t say that today. This is a country where a great many (I believe the majority) of high schoolers can’t name the decade their country’s friggin Civil War was fought.

    You seem to think this kind of ignorance is a function of being asleep in class…as if the textbook companies and public school teachers in post-America are dropping all this knowledge about the mean things non-Whites have perpetrated on their students, but those darned kids insist on snoozing through class! Well, if that’s the case, it’s funny how our narcoleptic American high school kid can’t make a ballpark guess as to how many Americans died in World War II, but the “facts” of Martin Luther King’s saintly life name are on the tip of his tongue.

    Like the saying goes, it’s not what they know that’s the problem, it’s what they know that just ain’t so.

    Kamal wrote:
    “That some people don’t read the bible or go to church anymore does not invalidate my point, because this stuff is there, in the open, and mentioned.”

    Uh, no. It’s not.

    You say it’s “in the open”? I spent K-12 in private schools and it wasn’t mentioned. How often is it mentioned on ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/MSNBC/Fox/NYT/WaPo? (Our favorite blogs don’t count…relatively no one reads those.)

    Kamal wrote:
    “That Def Leopard song “And the walls came tumbling down..” is a blatant reference to a non White, Jewish, Biblical conquest of Jericho. That some people sleep in Sunday school and miss these and similar references across the fabric of our culture isn’t my problem.”

    Oh yeah…I forgot about that song. You convinced me!

    Kamal wrote:
    “We always see other’s criticism of our faults, and lack of attention to our virtues, in a sharper light than our own criticism of others’ faults, and our own lack of attention to their virtues. This is the case for the vast majority of people.”

    The thing is, post-America is this weird, ugly product of 50ish years of mass-media propagandizing. Before the 1940s, the technology and broad-based per capita wealth that make mass consumption of media POSSIBLE had never existed in human history.

    Most people just aren’t what you and I would call readers. Nothing wrong with that, it’s always been that way. The world really needs guys who can fix your AC in a jiffy when it breaks in July. But by the late 20th, early 21st century, Joe Sixpack didn’t have a thought in his head that wasn’t either fabricated by TV/Movies out of whole cloth or else warped into some perverse distortion of the truth by the producers of same. And I don’t have to tell you that the wonderful people publishing the public school (and college) texts in this country and producing our info-tainment wouldn’t piss on Whitey if he were on fire. So as you seem to understand, they are not interested in giving equal time to the “atrocities” of all the world’s races.

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  266. It aint happening except in the imagination of unrealistic, cynical men.

    Hey, it also happens on Cinemax “Red Shoe Diaries!”

    The cabbie usually looks like David Duchovny and there are pink gossamer curtains inexplicably blowing through the room when the married rich she-tourist makes love to the cabbie, who caresses her (fake) breasts as she rides him in slow motion and he looks up at her longingly.

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  267. finishing the last taxi driver~s story.

    I took the taxi in the entrance of a bar, and the taxi driver himself was leaving the bar. he told me why he entered. he was taking three boys, aged about 18-19 to that bar to meet their GFs, since it was Valentine~s day.

    While they were at a traffic light, a street vendor offered roses and he suggested buying the roses, to the boys, who were convinced at some difficult. but once they were in the entrance of the bar, the boys were ashamed to enter carrying roses, so he offered to go himself into the bar, carrying the roses to the table where he would give them to the boys.

    as he told, and I imagined, the girls were ecstatic, one of them even cried. notice these girls were about 17-18. it was then that I asked about the boys~ age, which I guessed right. He got even applauses from nearby tables.

    Since I met him while he was returning to his car and I was leaving the bar next door, I could still hear;see people in the other bar, and his story fits perfectly. It was then that the talk about women got motion.

    the guy~s behaviour, his hints to the boys, his attitude in entering the bar, and also by telling me openly that he had drunk a couple beers inside (Rio~s white minority is uber-SPWL, so it is quite risky to say such a thing), his description of the women~s reasoning, all fits my personal experience, and the general tone of this blog. I bet this story is true.

    Even more so since the epiphany moment when the other woman told us openly that she would rather cheat with an anonimous alpha than some one she already knew.

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  268. Kamal–

    Regarding STD’s

    There was a period in early modern European history in which syphilis was rampant.

    To me this suggests, profoundly, a change in sexual mores in society that has gone uncommented upon. Perhaps an early sexual revolution occurring around the time of the enlightenment?

    My thoughts are unformed on this one ***

    They most certainly are.

    It’s widely thought that syphilis was brought back to Europe from the New World by early Spanish conquistadors. The dates work well.

    There’s an alternative theory that holds that yaws and New World syphilis, which apparently are similar bacterial stains with different effects, combined to create a more virulent infection within Europe. This was a synthesis after the anti-thesis madly discounting reaction, which Had to come, over the idea of blaming anything on the Noble Savages of the New World or (then subsequently especially the more remote and exotic still Polynesia islands), a tremendously potent and seductive European idea of the left down to this day.

    The sexual mores and mores of the Western world have ebbed and flowed between Apollonian and Republican virtue, sublimation, and restraint in most circumstances often associated with more militarily vigorous periods in a given society (save e.g. taking female captives), and Dionysian periods of dissolution, usually associated with greater female status, licentiousness, sluttery and married women’s adultery.

    This would make a great historical overview study. There was a multi volume French work called “A History of the Private Life” from several decades ago which I suppose may have dealt with this among other things but it’s in full post modern Foucault and Derida language and with those concerns and conceits uppermost, to the point of being not worth mining except by the extremely dedicated, or by co-religionists.

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  269. PA–

    On your Polish history precis.

    One of the most surprising things to me, upon doing a long post grad sweep through of Euro history by rumaging around on the interwebz several years ago, probably heavily through interlinking Wikipedia articles but otherwise as well, was to learn of the extent and importance of two Empires in Eastern Europe in the early modern Euro history period.

    The first was the Polish-Lithuanian Empire. The second was the Swedish Empire.

    As well most well educated Americans don’t really appreciate the fragmentation into small, smallish, and at most middling princely states of what is now Germany and was then the German language area, until Bismarck starting sewing it all together in the middle 19th century. The area had been the Holy Roman Empire’s bedrock lands. Once that polity fell apart, there were centuries of small entities north of the Hapsburg Austro-Hungarian and continuing as Catholic lands.

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  270. ludwig Maybe in an America that actually delivered real educations to most educable people you could say “Everyone learns about the non-White conquerors,”

    I did darling(i’m 22).

    PA Hey, it also happens on Cinemax “Red Shoe Diaries!”

    That show left such an impression on me. Had me thinking the real thing would be some much nicer than it really is.

    Kamal So they get out, walk down the street arguing still and then she yells “ And you wanna know something? I fucked SO-AND-SO. And he fucked me GOOOOD..”
    The dumbest thing any woman can do. This is a way that some women provoke male violence. Even the most non violent man can flip out on you.

    The guy gets a stunned hurt look on his face, and then hauls off and punches her in the face. She falls down. Then she jumps up and hauls off and punches HIM square in the jaw… He stumbles back, and then gives her a hook across the jaw, she falls again.

    Kamal, that woman most likely grew up in an unstable home. She does this type of stuff for a number of reasons:

    1.she hates men. Her daddy wasn’t there for her so she is taking it out on every man after him.

    2. She may have been raped or molested so she punishes every man after her attacker.

    3.She is mimicking the behavior of her low life friends.

    4.She didn’t receive enough attention from her parents as a kid. Any attention, good or bad makes her feel whole.

    She is the female version of roisy and roosh. If you are unlucky enough to come into contact with her, run like heck. For God’s sake, don’t have any children with her.

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  271. PA–

    The charming thing about you is that I’m convinced that if your lovely Polish bride had solid C cups you’d genuinely be the biggest exponent of natural C cups on here, utterly committed to their special charm, and central place in female loveliness, properly appreciated and understood. ‘Charming’ was not said ironically.

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  272. PA:

    Blogger Mencius Moldbug, who is a technocrat-utopian, argues that intelligence and competence are the only criteria worth considering in who runs things. But despite his beyond-genius IQ, I think he’s got a major blind spot.

    People resent it when alien faces are telling them what to do, even when the arrangement gives them a higher quality of life.

    That’s not necessarily so. There are many historical examples where places run by ethnically foreign elites were stable and prosperous in the long run. Obviously, alien rule can cause an explosive mix of class and ethnic resentment, but that requires a combination of widespread public dissatisfacton and active seditious agitation — and these conditions can arise even if the rulers are native. The rulers of North American colonies in 1776, France in 1789, or Russia in 1917 weren’t ethnically alien, and this did nothing to prevent a violent outbreak of popular resentment that swept them away.

    Of course, alien rule that’s violently imposed, widely resented from day one, and ultimately disastrous in terms of practical life quality will keep the resentment boiling and fall apart as soon as it shows any signs of weakness. The Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe would be a good example of this category. On the other hand, a reasonably competent and just foreign government can be extremely stable and beneficial, especially if it’s backed by a historical tradition. For one, as a Croat, I would certainly be happier if the Habsburg Monarchy hadn’t fallen apart. It’s pretty clear that decolonization was similarly an utter disaster for most of the newly “liberated” Third World nations, and Mencius in particular has written some excellent analyses showing that its end wasn’t an inevitable outcome of historical forces, but instead a consequence of an ideological shift in the elites of the ruling nations.

    (By the way, I don’t think I ever thanked you for pointing to Mencius’s blog. It’s a true intellectual treasure.)

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  273. @Doug

    Off topic but thanks to your reference a couple of week ago to Mad Men I’ve now watched the entire first and second season. I’m in love with Don (of course) and now will chomp at the bit till the third season. I also love Joan (office manager extraordinaire), particularly because we share the same figure. Nice to see a ‘real’ woman on TV.

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  274. Doug, have you emailed bhetti? Is she okay, she’s been missing in action for a few days now.

    aoefe Nice to see a ‘real’ woman on TV.

    No cat aoefe because I’m a smaller version of Joan but real women wear a size 00,0, and 2 also. Sometimes we women are so caught up in anti -sizeism that we become guilty of what we accuse others.

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  275. Ludwig,
    You know, I don’t get you and some of the other White guys here who seem to insist that White guys are somehow made out to be the bad guy. I think anyone who’s reasonably intelligent knows about what happened in Rwanda, all Black people; there’s the Turkish massacre of Amenians, nearly a century ago; there’s the genocides of Pol Pot, Stalin, Chairman Mao, they wiped large swaths of their own people.

    If someone like me knows these things, just for starters, I think its fairly reasonable to assume others do, too. If anything, I’d say that most American kids and young adults don’t know a heck of a lot about MLK at all-they don’t know about one of his last sermons at Riverside Church, NYC, they don’t know about his father, and by extension himself, being Republican, they don’t know about his time in Chicago and how the last years of his life were NOTHING like the highlight of his career, 1963 or so, and how even that was greatly distorted. In fact Ludwig, I’d lay odds that the average American knows more about a lot of different figures in American history, than they do about King.

    So, again, I don’t get it with some of you White guys. What gives? Help a Brotha out.

    O

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  276. aoefe–

    There’s a lot to love in that series. I like the first season better. I’m hoping the third will dial back Don’s wacko side developed in the 2nd at least some. It’s almost as if they decided to make his adultery look less acceptable to women in the second season. Similarly I just don’t believe he’d be that cold and non sexual with his wife if she kept looking like that or close, esp. with her French whore outfit efforts and so on. Similar reasons I think. That stuff wasn’t in the first season.

    But anyway, yes Don. And yes Joan. And all the little cultural touches and minor characters. The general office dynamic.

    I also love Joan (office manager extraordinaire), particularly because we share the same figure. Nice to see a ‘real’ woman on TV.

    Oh.my.god!!! Now I MUST learn which northern city you inhabit!!

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  277. A few words about STDs. Syphilis is a terrible disease but it is slowly progressive, mimics many other diseases, and is hard to diagnose without a serological test – which was not invented until around 1900. So, all speculation about its incidence before that is guesswork.

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  278. Obsidian–

    You know, I don’t get you and some of the other White guys here who seem to insist that White guys are somehow made out to be the bad guy.

    You’d have to be blind not to get that.

    It’s screamingly obvious if you know or take the trouble to learn much about the real history of almost anywhere.

    It’s everywhere in post WWII history and culture and everything else, particularly post 60’s. Before that in much stuff by Jews or other serious leftists. Their sensibility more or less took over in the academy and then in somewhat diluted form in the mass media from the 1970’s on. It’s sometimes called political correctness, which you may have heard of.

    The point is that the worst, or anyway a very negative, view of what whites did has always been primary at elite universities with huge amounts of trickle down from the 70’s onward. The 70s where when the aforementioned groups seized control of most history and anthropology and sociology and other social science and humanities departments in most not only elite but 2nd and even many third their universities. It was a changing of the guard. Not all the old guard were yet gone, but they became beleagured, out voted in new faculty appointments, and in many places marginalized. This happened in journalism schools as well.

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  279. Obsidian

    Someone once said that the problem with History is that there is too much of it. I have read a lot of history, as have you… but the history of, for example, China, is infinitely varied and complex and I know very little about it before this century.
    The best thing is to try to learn the general lessons that one can garner about human nature in practice.

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  280. Women as Vampires

    Before I ever heard of Game I met a natural alpha that could articulate what he did. He was highly intelligent, educated, muscular, adventurous, a sharp dresser, totally outspoken, sociopathic and very successful with women. When he was a young man, his grandmother took him aside and explained the true nature of women: parasitical cunts.

    He said that every female relationship can be described with one word: Parasite. You should consider yourself lucky if she only wants your money. Women want everything in your life that brings you happiness. When you get up in the morning with that glint in your eye, filled with ambition, desire and the passion to achieve; that is what women want from you. When you become an empty husk that waits for her to think and feel for you, then she has won, and then she leaves for fresh prey. It is genetically in their nature to act this way and they do it without malice or thought.

    He said that the only defense is constant vigilance. Never let down your guard, never relax, constantly change and be unpredictable. Women can only win if they crack your code. If they can’t figure you out, then you become like mount Everest, an object of fascination and obsession. He also said that for some reason women can only crack the code of one man at a time, and that they have to focus on him totally.

    He didn’t blame women for doing this but warned them to never try it with him. He didn’t care who they screwed over and would help if it amused him. He also told them that if they ever tried to take anything that he considered his that he would destroy them. He would do everything he could to ruin them, emotionally, physically, financially, and legally. He was charming, ruthless, well connected and displayed psychopathic tendencies.

    When I knew him his girlfriend was young, attractive, kinky, obedient, and madly in love with him. She was also a neurotic, manipulative, conniving bitch with abandonment issues. She shit tested constantly and he effortlessly slapped her down. She got off on how dark and dominant he was. When they first met at a club he was leaning against the bar, looked her in the eye and with a cocky smirk said “hey there you little slut, go buy me a drink”. She thought about it for a second and then bought him a drink. Ultimately he owned her ass and everything connected to it.

    All the women I told this theory to said that it was true for every woman except for them.

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  281. I’m not Ludwig. But I can answer this.

    In advertising (I’ll have a post up today on this), White guys are ALWAYS depicted as the loser nothings that White Women and Black guys sneer at. In popular culture, the ordinary White guy is a “loser” and only the ultra-cool Alpha guy is allowed a role as a hero. Popular culture denigrates White Civilization, and nothing is more illustrative of the change over time from say, “Highway Patrol” (Belmont Club at Pajamas Media has a clip up) to “Life After People” or “exterminate White Civilization pr0n.”

    You could not make a “Highway Patrol” today, with the emphasis on a White Authority figure keeping crime and violence under control. You would never have seen such open self-loathing of European Civilisation in the 1950’s. That is the “delta” or change over time, and yeah, it’s being driven by the same things that destroyed the Black Nuclear family.

    White guys don’t like this any more than Black Rappers like THEIR Change.

    More significantly, since Government runs everything now and White Guys are Public Enemy #1 and are told in identity politics to get to the back of the bus, White Identity politics are a must. Meaning grabbing the demographic share of the pie related to numbers. Since Obama will determine who gets paid what in every corporation, and who gets hired, and who gets fired, you can’t expect White guys to just go off and kill themselves (the wish of pretty much MOST Blacks, Hispanics, and White Women). They will naturally fight back with White Identity Politics even if it’s under a different name.

    Moreover, after Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, OJ, the Duke non-Rape scandal, etc. etc. charges of “White Racism” don’t mean anything. Outside hysterical status seeking SWPL yuppies. Ordinary White Men have been told by Obama’s Robert Reich, Nancy Pelosi, and Charlie Rangel that they will get nothing from Stimulus or other government spending, in favor of Blacks, Single Mothers, etc.

    As a practical matter you can’t expect anything else but a fight. When government controls all the money, and doles it out based on identity politics — you get identity politics. Simple as that.

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  282. chic noir–

    Doug, have you emailed bhetti? Is she okay, she’s been missing in action for a few days now.

    We do all the time chic. Many times a day. Her 2nd year med school finals begin June 22. The finals constitute 5/6 of the year’s grade. (They give the 6 mid terms and other stuff before through the year just barely enough weight for them to be worth paying any attention to. It’s ALL IN THE FINALS.)

    She’s finishing her first week of finals cram today (during which no classes, but some study group events). Last weekend following her last midterm Friday before last, she appeared around here briefly while at her family’s, having been on a couple of days intense cram for her last midterm before that.

    At the moment we have her on Net lock down, except for email. It’s been working great.

    She’s very, very happy and doing very well. (She was happy enough last weekend that her mother got considerably concerned and “accusatory”.)

    Do not fear. She’s being well looked after chic.

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  283. Never under-estimate the value of alcohol and other intoxicants in dealing with women.
    Sociopaths are out there and are a problem but if you get them drunk enough they lose their edge. Being a successful sociopath requires fine-tuned control. Smash that and they flounder.
    When I was younger I spent a fair amount of time with a totally sociopathic lesbian (because she was an 11). She would pick a woman for a relationship knowing in advance how she could wreck her emotionally. Doing damage was for her the main pointof being in a relationship. That is the mystery of true evil…
    Anyway, when seriously drunk she could not help but explain herself, to me at least, which I found really helpful.

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  284. PA:

    In 1944, Poles staged a major, suicidally-heroic uprising against the Nazi occupiers, known as the Warsaw Uprising. […] The Soviet Army was on the march, liberating Poland from the Nazi occupation, and the London-based Polish government in exile wanted to liberate the capital without Soviet assistance, to ameliorate the USSR’s claim upon post-war Poland. […] Poles were aided by American and British airdrops of supplies. In the end, the Germans held, and at Hitler’s orders, razed the entire city. The remaining population was slaughtered or deported.

    In fact, Stalin intentionally let the uprising be crushed. The Soviet army was just a few miles from the city, and Stalin ordered it to stop and refused to do anything to aid the Polish uprising. His goal was to give Nazis a break so that they could eliminate the independent Polish resistance, which made the subsequent integration of Poland into his empire easier.

    Stalin even refused to allow the Western Allies to use Soviet-controlled airports to airlift supplies to the Poles until it was too late. FDR’s refusal to stand up to Stalin in this matter is possibly the most shameful point of his entire career, and that says something.

    Heinrich Himmler:

    “All Poles will disappear from the world. […] It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.”

    Where do I pick up my blowback credits?

    To be fair, Germans did pay substantial reparations for their WW2 misdeeds. Poland was arguably cheated out of a part of its share because its post-WW2 communist puppet government conducted the negotiations in the 1950s under Soviet tutelage. Still, after the German reunification and Soviet collapse, Germany paid some extra reparations to Polish victims of forced labor.

    As a better example of PC selective history, I would point out the Muslim enslavement of Europeans that was going on continuously from the Middle Ages almost until the 19th century, about which you probably won’t read in the history schoolbooks. (The number of Africans captured and traded by the Arab slavers was also much greater than the volume of the Atlantic slave trade.) Chattel slavery was in fact abolished in the Gulf states only a generation ago, and continues until the present day in several African Muslim countries like Mauritania and Sudan.

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  285. @doug- good to hear, give Bhetti my love and tell her that I wish I luck on her exams.

    Whiskey In popular culture, the ordinary White guy is a “loser” and only the ultra-cool Alpha guy is allowed a role as a hero.
    Whiskey the ultra-cool alpha is more often than not a white guy too. Btw, didn’t Cosby’s wife make a fool of him on the Cosby show? What about the Black fathers on Family Matters, Fresh Prince, Chris rock & Bernie Mac shows? The Black father I can think of who wasn’t made in a bubbling buffoon by “sensible” wife was James from “Good Times”. But* then again, Good Times was back in the 70s when gender politics didn’t have much say in what we saw on television.

    You could not make a “Highway Patrol” today, with the emphasis on a White Authority figure keeping crime and violence under control
    Can the CSI shows be called a modern version of “Highway Patrol”?

    Since Obama will determine who gets paid what in every corporation,
    SMDH. This was in relation to companies that took TARP money Whiskey. My GOD, would you like for a CEO to take home 1 billion dollars after his company went under? Obama had to do something after people begin to speak out. We can’t have it both ways Whiskey.

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  286. comment_whatever

    You are really becoming a tard. I hope you are aware of this.

    I am not being disingeniuous, or dancing around anything.

    You have an idea in your mind of who I am. You have decided for some reason to not only distrust me, which I could care less about, but somehow be it envy or some other emotion you have decided to misread 90% of my words here, and to imagine and project subtexts into my words that are not there. Whether it is for practice, or a mastubatory pedantry, or some sort of envy, or even an misplaced erotic attachment (try not to flatter me so) I do not know. But you are being willfully dense.

    You are willfully, with premeditated malice in intent, denser than David Alexander could ever claim to be.

    In your utter pedantry have you noticed, in your deliberate misreading of what I wote.

    Point .
    THERE ARE WHITE CIVILIZATIONS OUTSIDE OF EUROPE.

    THE POSTER I WAS REPLYING TO WAS MAKING A PITY PARTY OUT OF PC SKEWING OF “WHITE CIVILIZATIONS”

    THE CIVILIZATIONS IN QUESTION ARE EUROPEAN, THE PC BRIGADE DOES NOT ATTACK WHITE CIVILIZATION IN THE GENERIC, IT ATTACKS EUROPE.

    IN NO WAY DOES POINTING THIS OUT ERASE THE BLINDINGLY OBVIOUS FACT THAT EUROPE CIVILIZATIONS WERE WHITE, YOU PEDANTIC MUPPET.

    Are you fucking reading me? Perhaps I can parse this out in terms more easily comprehended by you.

    We are speaking of EUROPEAN civilization, not WHITE civilization in the generic aggregate.

    Persia is a White civilization.
    Afghanistan had White civilizations.

    The fucking Tocharians in China had white civilization.

    The poster was not referring to these, now was he. No, and if he claims retroactively to have had these civilizations in mind I will openly call him a liar.
    I am certain of this.

    That is the point. The previous poster said “white civilization” in the singular, and he meant Western European civilization. No progressive PC types criticise fucking Tocharia in the way that Western Europe is criticized. They do not drag the skythians through the coals, they drag Spaniards and Englishmen.

    I’m rapidly becoming of the opinion that english is not your primary mode of discourse. For your fluency in the Anglisc tongue, you appear to utterly lack the ability to discern nuances in the arguments of others. Either that or you lack any notion of logical coherency in that little head of yours.

    And this is a sad, thing. For an intelligent man to be so lacking.

    Oh, and did you utterly miss my admission that Europeans are targeted excessively in such leftist criticism? No? Then read my post again.

    Go and read my post again boy if you truly are this dense.

    But I can’t possibly imagine that you are this dense.

    Because you are breathing, and you are capable of putting a sentence together. These two facts do suggest some sentience on your part, though the degree of this sentience is growing increasingly dubious and doubtful.

    Hold a mirror up to your nose, if it fogs then yes, you are alive and perhaps conscious. If not then check yourself in as an extra for the latest Romero Zombie flick.

    If you were this mind numbingly fucking dense then you could not possibly cook up half of the cute little wit that you love to direct my way.
    In fact your keyboard would short circuit due to the excess of drool pooling upon it.

    So no I don’t think you are that stupid.

    And it would disappoint me if indeed you were that stupid.

    An utterly illiterate knuckle dragging troglodyte in a hung over stupor could do better than you are doing now.

    You are either still drunk from last night, or intoxicated by other means, or you are willfully, with malice, simply misreading my words in some misguided and frankly meaningless crusade to make me into some sort of liberal progressive secret and subtle hater of white folk.

    And perhaps, perhaps, you just need to get laid, and that excess energy is just pent up libido. I will very soon be seeing a pleasant young woman. And perhaps I will get lucky tonight, 2 hours from now.

    If this ends up being the case then I will send some of my excess mojo your way.

    Out of love, of course.

    You should have a care, and try not to be such an utter muppet. It ill behooves a man to take on the guise of an inane and silly little twat. Try to actually pay attention to the words of others, lest you embarass yourself with the rhetorical equivilant of soiling your panties in public again.

    Lest you have missed my points previously re-read them again, I lack the energy to restate the obvious.

    The poster I was commenting to was making an inaccurate point regarding the political uses by the progressive academic left of European (not white, European) civilization.

    No where in my pointing this out have I said that Europeans are not white, nor that their civilization isn’t white, you willfully pompous twit.

    I pointed out that the target of such criticism is not White civilization in general, rather it is European civilization. Because such criticisms leave out the plethora of White civilizations outside of Europe (and there are several) – even Egypt probably counts due to the fact that a large percentage of Egyptian mummies have been found with natural red hair and aquiline facial features.

    If this is indeed the case then even Egypt’s upper classes would have been white, likely, and hence it could be considered a White civilization in many ways. Do the PC brigades concentrate on this? No you deliberaltely pompus ass, they do not. They focus on, guess what, European Civilizations, you willfully pompous twit.

    Is Carthage skewered by the academic left? No. Have you met a Berber in your life? Guess what. Most of them are pretty white. Carthage was a “white civilization” was the previous poster speaking of Carthage? Why no, he was not.

    As for calling me a liberal, have a care, I’m no liberal, but if it really pleases you to masturbate all night to this fantasy, then by all means who am I to stop you.

    Here. have some help. I am a kind man, beneath the excess wordiness and bluster.

    Something to help you out as you masturbate to fantasies of my liberality

    http:// shejailbait . com/1102

    or perhaps http:// jailbaitgallery . com

    I know you like it.
    But don’t thank me, it’s the very least that I can do.

    You know, I once actually gave you the benefit of the doubt that perhaps you were actually sincere, no longer. You are a troll and for some reason have decided to make me into your target. Fine, so be it. But first.

    Learn to read, boy.

    And grow up. Your overreacting to imagined points in my discourse that would fly over your head if I were other than what I am, and your purposefully parsing my sentences to find what you think is the subtext behind my words, ill befits you.

    You simply expose your own insecurities, and your own fears. Argue as much as you like, but deep down inside.

    You know it’s true.

    Have fun with the jailbait pics. Release that tension and get back to me later.

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  287. [email protected]

    For the record, I do not disdain you for who you are.

    I disdain you for your repeated inability to exercise basic reading comprehension skills.

    I hope that I do not have to condescend down to your level to explain what I mean by this.

    Hey. I do esteem your intelligence, and recognize the fact that you are possibly actually sincere in your opinions, possibly.

    But you really should learn how to read.
    Please.

    p.s.
    Dry the KY off your hands before you reply again. I do not want your keyboard to short circuit out.

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  288. Rum
    Interesting comment on how sociopaths lose their edge when drunk. The Alpha I mentioned earlier loved fine wines but rarely sipped more than half a glass. He was always in total control.
    His girlfriend, somewhat sociopathic herself, ended up dancing naked on a table top after a glass of absinthe. I should note that absinth is 74% alcohol by volume to vodka’s 40.

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  289. “the payoff from working hard in drug dealing is much greater than working hard at McDonalds.”
    —actually, this is a myth, but so prevalent that even ghetto people believe it.

    A recent book came out by a sociologist who spent a lot of time with a black Chicago gang. The gang “owned” a local Chicago housing project (very large area), and of course dealt drugs, doled out protection, etc.

    The sociologist then revealed that the gang’s leader, the most powerful man and drug dealer for the entire area, made less than $30,000. The leader. And he ended up leaving to work a dry cleaner because he made more money doing that.

    Drug dealing is a very low paying job. Only the Colombian kingpin type guys make the flashy money music videos and exaggerating dealers talk about. Since they work in a criminal industry, it’s rife with corruption and kick-ups—i.e. you pay the top dog for the privilege of selling his drugs. Plus exaggeration amongst the weak class is common throughout history.

    Many people go to drug dealing because it seems like an easy way to roll in cash, only to be trapped by the vicious higher ups who won’t let you leave on your life, lest you rat them out or blow the whistle on how poor the work really is.

    This isn’t new; La Cosa Nostra has had this system perfected for years. If you watch the movie “Donnie Brasco” you see how criminal organizations really are.

    The movie is very true to life, and you see, how even in established, organized systems 1) how poor the lower downs really are (lifetime member Al Pacino “never has any money” and his clan have ratty cars, cheap clothes, schlubby clubs, and small apartments, despite their boasting and bravado) and 2) how much pressure there is to pay the escalating kick-ups to higher ups (Michael Madsen’s character nearly loses it in a scene in their club where the group is desperately knocking over parking meters to meet the monthly $50,000 the “bosses” demand).

    Of course, the lure of the criminal life (walking around with swagger, never getting up early, a group of enforcers beating up anyone who messes with you or your family, bragging rights, rebel toughness) is also there as well. But Pacino’s character often wistfully talks about getting out of the miserable life, so much so Donnie tries to buy him a boat to do just that.

    McDonalds offers long term gain (yes, you can have a good career at Mickey D’s), but is not perceived as such. Ghetto people of all colors rarely can see long term potential for short term sacrifice—also an explanation of the ghetto mentality which is down on education, since that involves short term sacrifice (hard studying, social ostricization) for long term goals. Hence also why the lottery, which you will never win, is played the most among the poor.

    On the whole drug dealers are poor, miserable bastards who can’t get out.

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  290. Whiskey, Doug,
    I can get the feelings of angst to a certain extent, but the bottomline is: White guys still call the shots ultimately, and have for a very long time. Now how long that persists going forward into the future is another thing-could be another few decades, could be another century, who knows. But I just don’t get this notion that White guys enmasse are being put down in media and education, etc. I just don’t.

    Whiskey you’re a big movie guy-whens the last time a Black or Hispanic or Asian guy took the lead in ANY major Summer Blockbuster movie? Hmm? Let’s count the ways, starting w/a few of last year’s big Summer movies:

    The Dark Knight, White guy (Bale)

    Iron Man, White gut (Downey)

    The Incredible Hulk White guy (Norton)

    Ok, and this Summer? The new Star Trek, two White guys in the roles of Kirk and Spock. GI Joe? White guy playing Duke. Transformers? The one Black guy they had doing the voice of one of the Autobots (Jazz) was killed in the last one, otherwise all other voices White guys, and of course, Shia and the dude that was on the Vegas tv show-White.

    Now, if you notice the only real roles any Black guys were featured in were as supporting actors, in all these major films-and to date, the ONLY Black superhero type was Wesley Snipes as Blade. And that was what, at least 5 years ago?

    And there are no Women-headed major roles for Summer blockbusters.

    Something else: ALL of the James Bonds were/are WHITE. Same deal with Jason Bourne.
    Again: I think there’s some basis for your concerns fellas. But to let you guys tell it, there just ain’t nowhere a White guy can go and see himself in a good light.

    I ain’t buyin’ it.

    Now if I’m wrong, please prove it?

    Holla back

    O

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  291. @lurker- was that book written by a dark skinned Indian guy? If so, the leader your writing about was a small scale dealer. Large scale king pins make “rich people” money.

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  292. “Absinthe makes the heart grow fonder”, by 74%

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  293. @doug
    You really are a gift to bhetti :). Interesting dynamic there.

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  294. chic, duh, that’s what I’m saying. very very very few people become kingpins, duh. just like 99.9% of pro athletes get paid shit and that.1% rolls in dough. Almost all drug dealers get paid barely minimum wage and face constant pressure.

    Rum, that was both brilliant and lamentable. You are now both fired and promoted.

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  295. I am fascinated by the brief and intense ascendancy of art noveau. The horrors of WW1 killed it off. Anyway, I think that the special drunkeness that old fashioned absinthe produced was the real driving force behind it. Like LSD and the best of Jefferson Airplane.

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  296. O, the comic book/cartoon movies aren’t good examples, since they;re primarily nostalgia vehicles for those of us from the 80s and comic book geeks.

    White men portray criminals in roughly 90% of all crime shows. And in commercials, when blacks and whites are debating the merits of products, the black guy overwhelming chooses the correct product and is portrayed as smarter.

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  297. Ludwig wrote:

    …it’s funny how our narcoleptic American high school kid can’t make a ballpark guess as to how many Americans died in World War II, but the “facts” of Martin Luther King’s saintly life name are on the tip of his tongue.

    …nor the Union deaths in Civil War, fought to free the very descendants now plaguing America by filling prisons.

    Ludwig’s point is almost as magnif as my “A”

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  298. O, Will Smith and Denzel Washington immediately come to mind. Will Smith is Captain July 4th and is the only reliable male action star who can open a movie.

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  299. @ LadyRaine
    Interesting points about a woman being sort of in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation regarding marriage.

    Historically, women have always taken the blame (starting w/ the whole Adam/ Eve) or have always been labeled as guilty temptresses. It seems often, our sexuality is shamed. But is that shaming necessarily a bad thing?

    Sometimes I have to wonder if denigrating terms like “slut” and “whore” are used more to keep women in line and continually ashamed… and even if that shame is well-placed or not. There are a lot of societal benefits to women abiding by certain sexual standards.

    But I sort of see it as a double-standard women have to bear. Women can’t behave the same way as men, sexually, and expect to escape labels. It’s a thin line, but it seems one sort of has to accept it … or be a rebel and take the fire.

    Women benefit socially and educationally in our society, and we still get some higher respect and chivalry from men… so it seems a fair price for abiding by some sexual standards and accepting the double standard.

    This double standard balances male/female relationships. They are not necessarily negative.

    Without them… what would happen?

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  300. [email protected]

    You asked nicely (unlike comment_whatever)

    Regarding non European “White civilizations” (in itself a problematic term conditioned by certain modern assumptions, but I have not the energy to even deal with this yet) outside of Europe include:

    The Hittites.

    The Tocharians

    The Persians and..
    The Medes, prior to the Persians.

    Indeed, every single pre-persian and pre-median Iranian civilization.

    Every single Caucasian civilization and culture in the Asian areas of modern Russia, that were neither Turkish nor mongol. And there were a few. Mostly descended in some way or form from the Skythians, or similar stock as produced the Tocharians.

    Quite possibly the Egyptians (I’m on the fence with this one but the DNA evidence is becoming very compelling to me)

    The various stages of civilization in the regions of Khorasan (technically Persia, but often with some autonomy through the ages) including Civilizations centered in modern day Herat, Kandahar (though Kandahar had a highly significant ancient Jewish presence), and Balkh.

    Also Bukhara, though various Turkish Kagans held hegemony in Bukhara at various times, mostly under Persian / later Sassanid indirect rule, though after the Arab conquests they courted China until Chinese diplomacy decided to leave the mess to the Arabs in return for trading rights (on this see H.A. r. Gibb’s unequaled, though short, 1923 thesis on the subject “The Arab Conquests in Central Asia”

    Civilizations in Sind and Kashmir, after Aryan migrations.

    There you go, I wasn’t even being cute with it. I could name even more, but am in the middle of getting ready for a special night, with potentially a special person. So you will have to hit me up on this one at a later date.

    When I said “everyone” I can be called out on this, frankly I was a history nerd in even elementary school. It is possible that most people simply gloss over many things thrown out casually in class, and my predispositions may cause me to focus on such things. But the point is that anyone who at least paid attention in Sunday school would be well aware of the extent of Judaic conquests as detailed in the Bible, whether they are historically accurate is irrelevant, their importance as a normative historical narrative in Western Culture (or at least American culture) is relevant.

    I can’t believe that the majority of high schoolers do not know the decade that the civil war was fought in. If this is indeed the case, then it’s kinda.. well..

    Sad.

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  301. Obsidian
    I don’t know, I hate to disagree with you, but I think I’ve encountered “alpha” females…
    In my eyes, this woman is beautiful, attracting all levels of males but not at all “slutty”, extremely feminine, a social butterfly, and common-sense smart or even book smart… a ruler in the feminine realm (not masculine and professional), who could have her choice of men. Would make a great mother, a wife of a leader, or even a (gasp) leader herself.
    I think of a woman like Jackie O or Princess Di.

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  302. Absinthe, for the record, does funny things to one’s perception.

    It is, however, hard as hell to get hold of, around these parts.

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  303. chic, duh, that’s what I’m saying. very very very few people become kingpins, duh. just like 99.9% of pro athletes get paid shit and that.1% rolls in dough. Almost all drug dealers get paid barely minimum wage and face constant pressure.

    okay
    I think what Mu was getting at is the potential to make the big dollars. Sort of like how many men go into corporate America thinking they will make big dollars but few will ever become CEO or CFO or make 1 million or more per year . Really, the two systems are constructed in a similar manner except the more dangerous of the two doesn’t come with health insurance or a 401k. On the otherhand, your income is tax free 🙂

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  304. chic, you need to start learning how to read. And think.

    “the potential to make the big dollars”
    —there is none in drug dealing; it is the equivalent of winning the lottery.

    Most guys who eneter corporate america may daydream about CEO-ness, but they still get compensated well enough to be happy. Ditto any leit career: even if you fsil to advance much, you still get paid well.

    Drug dealing does not pay well. Repeat, for shitheads like chic: drug dealing does not pay well.

    “the two systems are constructed in a similar manner”
    —lmao. See Donnie Brasco then come talk to me moron.

    “your income is tax free”
    –all 30 grand of it.

    Repeat: drug dealers do not make money.
    Repeat: chic is a shit head who can’t read.

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  305. Lurker, two points:

    First, please read my remarks about Spanish Ed. That was from my own life, a true story, and I saw what he had. Have no idea if he’s dead or alive now, I haven’t seen him in many years. But at that time, I can tell you, he was NOT like the Indian dude from Columbia (read the book and watched the CSPAN interview, and read his contributing work in Freakanomics). Sure, corner boys are the low man on the totem pole, just like the fry dude at Mickey D’s. And if you got enough ambition and balls, you can move up in both. I’ve personally seen it many times. Of course, there’s some hellified occupational hazards in the drugs trade, which we all know. To paraphrase Rick James: that Pussy’s a powerful drug…

    And, uh, yea, ALL the flicks I just mentioned, are quite indeed relelvant and stands as a stark and sharp rebuke to what you, Ludwig, Doug and Whiskey are saying. Why? Because these vehicles make BIG MONEY. That’s why. White guys are hardly on the way out the door, its just they have to give just a *weebit* of room now for other folks.

    And yea, I know about the Law & Order deal, and Tom Wolfe’s book, etc et al. So? Tell me, who doesn’t know who commits the vast majority of street crimes? I mean really, who on the freakin planet does not know that? So we do we need to see it on tv too-what, so we “keep it real”? Is that it? So yea, the criminal is a White guy, and nine times outta ten SO IS THE COP WHO NAILS HIM.

    Oh, and while we’re on tv, maybe you or Whiskey can speak to this:

    Without a Trace, Leader, White guy

    House MD, White guy

    All the CSIs, Leader, White guys

    NCIS, Leader White guy

    ALL the Law & Orders, Lead actors, White guys

    Sgt Friday, White guy

    Eliot Ness, White guy

    The Cartwrights on Bonanza, All White guys

    Quick, name me the last time you saw a Black Cowboy in the lead of a major motion picture…I’ll wait. Black Cowboys made a solid third of ALL Cowboys in the Old West.

    And the last time I saw a decent cop/detective show that had a Black guy in the lead was Avery Brooks’ A Man Called Hawk,a spinoff of Spencer For Hire, another White guy.

    Spider-Man? Yup, even in a black suit, White guy

    Wolverine? White guy

    You know what, w/the exception of Denzel and Will Smith I can’t really think of any Black actors w/the kind of heft to pull off major blockbusters, and THEY don’t get as much consistent work as the Tom Cruises (ALL the M:I flicks big money makers, the star is a White guy), Tom Hanks’ or Harrison Fords of the world. Wait, there’s Samuel L Jackson…and on a good day, Forrest Whittaker. NONE of whom have come even close to doing in raw boxoffix numbers or tv viewers, what the aforementioned flicks/shows have done (for example, Harrison Ford’s been in two of the biggest movie franchises ever in flick history, Bonanza is one of tv’s longest running series ever, and Tom Hanks has won, if I’m not mistaken, back to back Oscars).

    So, what’s this about White guys overall gettin the Rodney Dangerfield routine?

    😉

    O

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  306. lurker Repeat: chic is a shit head who can’t read.

    my day isn’t complete until lurker starts name calling 🙂 You take me back to middle school.

    ding bat you are the one with problems. I’m not arguing the fact that most drug dealers don’t make money. I’m simply stating that the potential to make it to the top is what lead many young males to choose that life.

    You must left brained and it’s the reason you have problems with women. Read, take a minute to reflect, take a deep breath then comment.

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  307. Kamal S.

    Where I live there are several varieties of absinthe at local liquor stores. A truly fine brand can be ordered online from absinthe classics, which ships to anywhere in North America.

    http://www.absintheclassics.ca/

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  308. chic noir

    Since Obama will determine who gets paid what in every corporation,
    SMDH. This was in relation to companies that took TARP money Whiskey. My GOD, would you like for a CEO to take home 1 billion dollars after his company went under?

    Not for the year in which it happened no. But going forward, the top producers in Wall St. type banks sure as hell better be able to make high incentive based pay / bonuses or literally all the talent that really is talent will leave. (There’s always a small coterie that will stay out of loyalty but rarely the best, usually a few older pretty goods and the not good at alls.)

    Where will they go you ask incredulously? Simple. To hedge funds. To boutiques that already exist. To boutiques that are newly and purpose formed. it’s been happening. It will happen more if it doesn’t look like this will get relief or be a one year one off at worst.

    That’s how the world works chic, unless you want to move to full socialism of the financial sector, followed by other ones.

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  309. whiskey- Jami Foxx doesn’t get many roles. Will Smith is the biggest box office star in teh world so of course movie studios are going to put him in films. Denzel is a hit or miss but he is so handsome even in his old age,that many women will pay 12 bucks to drool over him for an hour.

    Hollywood’s creative class won’t allow most White guys to be heroic and average figures

    This could be because the average guy isn’t heroic. Men who are heroic are hard to come buy. A White man in recent times who was heroic, Chesley Sully. Do you have any idea how proud people are of this man and what he managed to do? Folks in Harlem have nothing but good things to say about what he did, do you think they were angry that a White Man was the pilot.
    SMDH
    Have you heard the audio tapes when Sully called air traffic control? Did you hear how calm he was? Why don’t you write a tribute to him on your blog. You write about how all is wrong with the beta male so write a post about a beta male who did good. Why harp on the negative all the time huh?

    fun fact: the 60+ year old Sully has two children who are under 13 years old.

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  310. doug 1 But going forward, the top producers in Wall St. type banks sure as hell better be able to make high incentive based pay / bonuses or literally all the talent that really is talent will leave

    and go where? I keep reading this but know one has mentioned where all of the” talent” will go.

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  311. doug1Simple. To hedge funds
    are having problems too.

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  312. Vladamir–

    Stalin even refused to allow the Western Allies to use Soviet-controlled airports to airlift supplies to the Poles until it was too late. FDR’s refusal to stand up to Stalin in this matter is possibly the most shameful point of his entire career, and that says something.

    FDR was way too much of a patsy to Stalin throughout WWII, esp. at the end. The center left indoctrination to the contrary on this even when I was in school was remarkable and had me completely convinced. (We VASTLY underestimate the extent of propaganda in this country, the vast majority of the well educated do, I’ve since come to realize.)

    I’ve only come to really realize in within the last five or ten years.

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  313. Chic Noir–

    Yes Chic hedge funds. Yes some are closing and all are doing less well than in their salad days but some have been starting to do real well again.

    As well as I said to boutiques. I.e. small just investment banks that either already exist or are being newly formed as we speak and over the last six to nine months.

    Soon to Goldman Sachs, which is about to repay it’s TARP money on the back of it’s successful equity raise a month or so ago.

    Do you want BofA and Citibank and Wells Fargo and a number of the other behemoths to lose all their talent, just all of it?

    That’s what the Democrat including Obama rable rousing and appeasing stupidity on this is about to cause Chic.

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  314. Obsidian writes:
    “You know, I don’t get you and some of the other White guys here who seem to insist that White guys are somehow made out to be the bad guy.”

    O, for a guy who can make posts on the subject of Game that demonstrate a realistic worldview, such a statement from you is jaw-dropping. For the love of God…the fat, clueless, borderline-retarded White guy who needs his exasperated, whip-smart woman or non-White coworker to straighten him out is now so ubiquitous it’s CLICHE, my man.

    In a post you made while I was typing this reply, you rattle off lists of White leads in movies/TV versus a relative dearth of

    Obsidian writes:
    “I think anyone who’s reasonably intelligent knows about what happened in Rwanda, all Black people; there’s the Turkish massacre of Amenians, nearly a century ago; there’s the genocides of Pol Pot…”

    Eh…I still say if you stopped your average government-schooled kid on the sidewalk and asked him about the Turkish massacres of Armenians you’d get a blank look and he would quickly pop his ear buds back in.

    But anyway, there’s a difference between having factoids about historical event X floating around in your head and carrying around a paradigm of the world and the history of your civilization that is the result of a hateful anti-White AGENDA.

    And a big part of that agenda is demanding that Whites pay from here to eternity for their uniquely heinous crimes. It’s like throwing ham to an alligator that can never be sated. Because, gosh, as long as people are getting unequal results…then that means Whitey must still be being a RACIST. I mean, that’s the only explanation, right?

    Now, O, I know YOU are too smart to buy into all this nonsense, but that’s the agenda of more malicious people. As I see it.

    Obsidian writes:
    “If anything, I’d say that most American kids and young adults don’t know a heck of a lot about MLK at all”

    I’m not trying to argue that an average American high school grad can write 10 double-spaced pages about King’s life off the top of his head. (Nor that it would be good to prepare him to do so!) And I’m not singling out King as a whipping boy.

    What I’m saying is it’s entirely inappropriate for “educators” to leave impressionable minds with the idea that such an individual’s importance approaches that of a Newton or a Hamilton or a Jefferson. I’m arguing that to spend time pushing hagiographic tales of Martin Luther King to primary school students who too often have a pathetic grasp on math and reading and the lives of history’s TRUE giants is absurd. Again, I do not mean to pick on King. Insert whatever Pet Interest of the Left comes to mind.

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  315. Obsidian: My sentence about White/Black movie leads got cut off. Never mind.

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  316. lurker

    Many people go to drug dealing because it seems like an easy way to roll in cash, only to be trapped by the vicious higher ups who won’t let you leave on your life, lest you rat them out or blow the whistle on how poor the work really is.

    Actually, most dealers do it to support their own habit.

    The guys who make the good money are the ones who make the drugs — not the street hustlers.

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  317. Vladimir:
    To be fair, Germans did pay substantial reparations for their WW2 misdeeds.

    Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with Germans. Most of the ones I met were really cool. I gave that Himmler quote in response to some asshat who was vomiting a piece of PC wisdom.

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  318. Whiskey,
    First off, the modern day John McClaine is Brain Mills, aka Liam Neeson in the runaway smash hit “Taken”. He’s a divorced, estranged from his daughter ex-CIA “Company Man” who lives in a no-frills apartment complex, drives a little Nissan Sentra, and wears dockers and polo shirts. Can’t get much “regular guy” than that.

    The movie was, as I said, a big hit and a sequel is being made. A SEQUEL-with the lead a solidly middle aged White guy. Neeson’s in his mid-50s.

    All the tv shows and movies I mentioned have undeniable White guy leads. Norton’s take on Banner is as a lovable nerdy dork, so is Maguire’s Peter Parker. And Downey’s Tony Stark and Bale’s Bruce Wayne? Let’s ask the ladies if they think they weren’t hot in Iron Man or The Dark Knight.

    As I watched Star Trek a real question came to mind: could say, Jamie Foxx pull off the lead, doing the same thing as Kirk (cheating on tests, not following orders, running from the cops in a stolen car as a kid, and engaging in bar brawls as a young adult), and actually work, moneywise? I think we al know the answer to that one. Kirk was considered a positive risk taker and an outside the box thinker and it worked, in large part because he was White; if he’d been Black and did the exact same things, he’d be a habitual crimanl, rule breaker and anti-social. TV and films are literally filled with such White male archetypes-take House, for example. Could Omar Eppds really do that? Or a Black Jack Bauer? I remember when they made a big deal out of a “blonde Bond”-I said to myself let’s really push the envelope and go for a Black one-after all, Black folk do live in the UK, don’t you know. And we could see a whole new dimension open up. Nope, same ole, same ole. White guy.

    So, again, I’m just not feeling any of what you guys are saying because, and I’m talking toyou now Whiskey, I’m using your metrics-big Summertime movies which are the only cash cows left in Hollywood, and the big tv shows. To a Man, the leads are White.

    Foxx, Denzel, Will Smith, Samuel L Jackson, and Forrest Whittaker, don’t even come close, not on tv, or at the box office.

    White guys rule…still.

    Holla back

    O

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  319. obsidian:

    You know what, w/the exception of Denzel and Will Smith I can’t really think of any Black actors w/the kind of heft to pull off major blockbusters, and THEY don’t get as much consistent work as the Tom Cruises (ALL the M:I flicks big money makers, the star is a White guy), Tom Hanks’ or Harrison Fords of the world.

    the actual facts show black men have little to complain about in terms of getting enough of hollywood money. enough anecdotes, these are the facts (click on the slideshow option):

    http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/forbes-top-earning-actors.html

    currently, 2 out of the 5 highest earning hollywood leading men are black (will smith, eddie murphy). 3 out of top twenty if you include denzel w. these stats are easily on par or vastly better than the percentage of blacks in america (12+%).

    alpha male white guys clearly also do well in hollywood. if anything, latino and other non-black/white men would really have the most to gripe about wrt not being represented proportional or better to their numbers. there’s currently no asian american brad pitt or latino george clooney equivalent in the movies.

    what whiskey is alluding to is that portraying individuals as the ‘fool’ in tv shows, commercials, or the movies is really only done in interracial casting (i.e. so i’m not including all black shows like cosby in here) to beta white males. the beta white males who don’t look like brad pitt or josh duhamel are the ones who have a legitimate gripe. by extension, since most white men are more beta than alpha, this representation makes them look more absurd.

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  320. Vladamir, PA–

    To be fair, Germans did pay substantial reparations for their WW2 misdeeds.

    To my knowledge the only reparations which the the Western portions of Germany paid after WWII were to Israel and Jewish organizations, but principally Israel. The US decided as a matter of policy to seek none, and brow beat it’s other western allies, who were in desperate need of American post war assistance which became NATO and the Marshall Plan among other things, into not seek any either. In fact West German got huge amounts of post war assistance from the US in various forms. Far from paying reparations to the US or it’s allies, the money flowed in the opposite direction, for one of the first times in history. (Maybe the first, where it wasn’t associated with colonization and rule.)

    The Soviets in contrast stripped the eastern parts of Germany they controlled post WWII of literally every industrial good they could load onto a box car and send east into Soviet Russia proper.

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  321. @freak show- I get your argument.

    FYI, heavy White women have the same argument. Why don’t they have their Queen Latifah or America Ferrera.
    Dark complected Blacks have a similar argument, why are most black actors in Hollywood light or medium complected. Asian males, why are there so few Asian males in any Hollywood films.

    Just keep in mind that there are many beta white males don’t want to look at a beta white male in a major action movie. For the same reason that most men who act in “those x types of movies” are larger than average.

    the beta white males who don’t look like brad pitt or josh duhamel are the ones who have a legitimate gripe.
    You forgot Paul Walker. I prefer dark eyes and hair but Paul Walker must be one of the best looking men in this country.

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  322. Freak,
    Again: one of the past few years’ biggest franchises had as its lead a scrawny, homely, short and nerdy White guy-Tobey Maguire in Spider-Man. Edward Norton, who’s take on the Hulk was really a homage to the late great Bill Bixby, was yet another dorky nerd in his portrayal of Bruce Banner.

    And don’t even get me started on Superman, who’s aka was the mild-mannerd Clark Kent. A bigger Beta there could never be.

    ALL WHITE. And all made big bucks at the box office and on dvd.

    Again: take the aforementioned Black actors, and stack them against the Die Hards/Bruce Willis, Tom Hanks, Tom Cruises, Harrison Fords, etc et al, and holla back the results. I’m all but certain they won’t even be close to parity in terms of tv facetime or revenues on films made.

    O

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  323. Most Germans had no idea that the Holocaust was happening. When the US Army liberated the Buchenwald concentration camp, they forced the local townspeople to walk through it and see the emanciated prisoners and the corpses. These townspeople were beyond shock at what they saw.

    Other German ‘reparations’ included very significant loss of territory, with the luckier Germans expelled from there, and the less lucky killed. For example, like when the ship Wilhelm Gustloff with German refugees was sunk by a Soviet submarine in Baltic, killing 9,000 people, the greatest loss of life in maritime disaster in history

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  324. obsidian:

    Again: take the aforementioned Black actors, and stack them against the Die Hards/Bruce Willis, Tom Hanks, Tom Cruises, Harrison Fords, etc et al, and holla back the results.

    will smith: men in black and bad boys were franchises

    eddie murphy: beverly hills cop and dr. doolittle were franchises

    but again, i’ve already ‘holla’d back’ the financial results. 2/5 and 3/20 of the highest male earners in hollywood are alpha black men. how is this not proportional to the overall numbers of blacks (12+%) in america?

    opinions are subjective. but, numbers don’t lie. in fact, i’d suspect that black men are clearly doing better than their numbers IMO because of natural talent and their charismatic, high T presence.

    the shocking thing is that latino men are so woefully underrepresented in proportion to their numbers in american society. this fact likely speaks to the issue that so many latinos utilize non- english mediums for entertainment. as for asians, i think most asians (south and east) could care less about even trying to make it into hollywood- as opposed to med school.

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  325. O, you’re just dreaming now. Julie Newmar was the initial Catwoman who made her famous (played her in the movie version as well). Kitt was hot, and great catwoman, but not better than Newmar.

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  326. chic, being chic:

    ” I’m simply stating that the potential to make it to the top is what lead many young males to choose that life.”
    —no, you’re trying to argue that somehow drug dealing culture is the same as any job. Nope; its serfdom.

    And now you try to backpedal. good luck with that.

    “You must left brained and it’s the reason you have problems with women.”
    —a dumb woman complaining a man is logical. now that’s rich.

    Now please try to tell me how great a career drug dealing is.

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  327. on June 14, 2009 at 9:20 pm Virginia Gentleman

    David Alexander:

    The main reason for industrial ouput moving to suburbs and eventually Southern areas is…

    A couple of points in response: First, the Northeast and the Rust Belt probably had the best access to the great trunk lines. Three NYC-Chicago lines were available to Northeastern manufacturing from the early 1900s forward, depending upon when exactly the last pieces of the Erie, NYC and PRR systems were acquired. Of course, those three were crumbling throughout the second half of the century, but I’m not entirely sure that the Southern and its counterparts were up to the task of carrying the load.

    Secondly, it’s been said that the deindustrialization of the Northeast was almost a deliberate policy of the U.S. government once it became clear that the Soviet Union had the means to deliver strategic weapons to the aforementioned States in New England. I’ve got no proof of it other than a reference in a book I read once on the Cold War, but it’s not implausible that the relocation of industry was done with an eye towards complicating Soviet nuclear strikes. ‘course, the Cuban revolution complicated that, but then again, look at our response.

    Third, the South has never been particularly hospitable to organized labor. What unions did exist in the South were nowhere near as tenacious or as organized as their Northeastern brethren. I’ve heard it mentioned in passing that striking the Southern Railway could be hazardous to your health, but the Northeastern roads were ferociously protective of what they considered their God-given rights, whether they made economic sense or not.

    You probably already know this, but the change to diesel-electric motive power was more or less completed in the early to mid 1950s among the major Northeastern railroads, but they kept firemen and hostlers to manage the non-existent fires on non-existent steam locomotives into the late 1960s or early 1970s. Ditto “full crew laws”. A jurisdiction where labor hasn’t had decades to worm itself into the bureaucracy or create its own power structures is going to be infinitely more attractive than the Northeast.

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  328. O, and all the criminals too.

    Black people need to remember they form a small percentage of the population, so to demand parity with anyone in terms of acting recognition is foolish if based solely on demographics.

    Second, certain ethnicities dominate an industry at different times. A large percentage of agents and studio heads and actors are Jewish; hence, lots of Jews in the movies.

    Adam Sandler’s Hanukah song says it best.

    And that’s not to attack Jews. Its a mere fact. When you are heavily involved in an industry, the industry will reflect you.

    After all, the vast majority of rappers are black, because they are heavily involved in it. Yet is it racist because they don’t have the correct percentages?

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  329. freak show as for asians, i think most asians (south and east) could care less about even trying to make it into hollywood- as opposed to med school.

    Tell that to Russell Wong who spent his years trying to make it big in Hollywood. There are many Asian bloggers who make note of the lack of Asian esp Asian males in Hollywood. Please save me the Asian males are manly crap because I’ve dated Asian males, they are as manly as any other group of men.

    Quick Question: WM/AF IR are the most populous so home come we see so few of them in Hollywood? We see more BF/WM and esp BM/WF, why is that?

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  330. lurker being looney —no, you’re trying to argue that somehow drug dealing culture is the same as any job. Nope; its serfdom.

    Isn’t the corporate structure similar? One person on top and many people at the bottom.
    And now you try to backpedal. good luck with that

    Not at all. Trying to break it down so you could understand.

    loco lurker Now please try to tell me how great a career drug dealing is.
    I in no way said the above. I am 100% against drugs.

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  331. Freak,
    I think we’re talking past each other. I’m not caring about proportionate rep wrt Black actors, that was never my argument. My argument is to contest the notion, that White guys are being made clowns of in every media venue there is, and I’m strongly challenging that.

    But since you wanna mention franchises, let’s do a bit of compare and contrast, shall we?

    Compare Men in Black to Indiana Jones.

    Compare Bad Boys to Mission: Impossible.

    Compare Beverly Hills Cop to Die Hard.

    Compare Dr. Doolittle to say, Robocop.

    All franchises. Run the box office and dvd numbers, and holla back. Five’ll get you ten the flicks that starred White guys made more money.

    O

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  332. O, it would make much more sense for Bond to become Mid-eastern, not black. Maybe the guy from “The Kumar’s at No. 32.”

    He was written white, British agent (although a scottish mother). Changing his race would seriously piss off the base. When they made Michael Clarke Duncan the Kingpin, a lot of fanboys were pissed off, because it was a clear nod to political correctness and not the comic (plus, despite being a large mamma jamma, he comes off as a teddy bear).

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  333. chic, being a brainless woman:

    “Isn’t the corporate structure similar? One person on top and many people at the bottom.”
    —um, no. in drug dealing, it is poor serfdom to lord. In corporate, it is compensated worker to boss. In drug dealing, no one gets paid but Top Dollar. in Corporate, everyone gets paid, some just more than others.

    Plus there’s none of that messy “murder” b.s.

    “Not at all. Trying to break it down so you could understand.”
    –translation: trying to now backpedal.

    “I in no way said the above.”
    —when you compare a criminal enterprise a la Donnei Brasco to legitimate work and career, you are, skank.

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  334. lurker And that’s not to attack Jews. Its a mere fact. When you are heavily involved in an industry, the industry will reflect you.

    I’m out of here!

    * grabs bags and make a run for it*

    *spys Lupo rolling up on a Segway*

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  335. O, I tried to post this earlier, but got moderated:

    And don’t forget Denzel going into the whole 1 completely different thriller per year mode and still cleaning up. Heck, just put “Denzel” and “crime thriller” and watch the audience show up.

    Heck, will Smith turned “Hancock” into a hit. Hancock. The most bankable movie star today.

    And let’s not forget that Wesley Snipes did boffo on the blade fanchise, even if Trinity stank to high heaven.

    And Martin Lawrence, for all his unfunniness, drew a 20 million paycheck for a while. Big Momma’s house much?

    And the wayans made scary movie franchise and white chicks; they sucked, but they drew mega money.

    Plus given that blacks make up 13% of the population, the fact this many stack up against those 3 white you mentioned means blacks are actually proportionally doing much better as movie draws than their population numbers should allow. In contrast, there are far fewer hispanic and asian movie draws than their population numbers suggest.

    Sometimes groups dominate certain careers for a bit, then it all changes. Like blacks in the NBA and NFL.

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  336. In Chic’s ideal workplace, everyone is equal and they hug each other like true Comrades.

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  337. Obsidian: it seems you’ve really latched on to this “White leads vs. Black leads in Hollywood” comparison and you are milking the hell out of it as some kind of proxy for this notion that “the White man still rules all.”

    Well, yeah, Whites do still earn more wealth and are usually higher achievers than non-Whites (as you point out they have always been), but that kind of begs the question of WHY this is so. Skullduggery on Whitey’s part? White people closing ranks and looking out for one another to the detriment of non-Whites? (I crack myself up sometimes. The idea of some White people “closing ranks” as a race in 2009 is priceless. Who do they think they are, La Raza?! LOL)

    So it’s all about the WHY. I’m not one to put words in someone’s mouth, but implicit in the comments you and other Blacks (Chris Rock, for eg) tend to make about this present (and past) state of affairs is the idea that somehow the ONLY TWO REASONS Whites outperform Blacks is by a neverending sequence of lucky bounces and malicious kneecapping of non-Whites.

    But back to the White leads/Black leads comparison re: Hollywood: You’re just putting on a sideshow, a red herring to the more general points expressed in earlier posts by me and others: 1) that our cultural overlords systematically, relentlessly cast the loser/dork character as a White man, and that 2) the only people whose history and culture you can crap all over with ZERO fear of reprisals are White people.

    (Yes, I know Hollywood also usually casts the hero as a White man, but Whites at the moment are still the majority of the American population. What I’m saying is, try to imagine the Black or the non-White being the stock character casted to play the dumbass/idiot/asshole character. You can’t.)

    My 2 cents: Black actors probably punch ABOVE their weights in terms of their prominence in movies when you control for:
    –the % of Blacks in the overall population (still only 13%)
    –the % of Black actors with the talent to carry a movie

    And that’s all I care to say about the actor thing. It doesn’t really address the larger points made above by me and Whiskey, Doug, Ryder, etc.

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  338. Obsidian —

    Jamie Foxx is in the lead to play Sinatra in a bio-pic. Foxx! Meanwhile by nearly all metrics for Hollywood (as opposed to box office dollars), Fox has had far more roles than proven White Box Office Draws.

    For example, since 2000 Foxx has had the leads in “Bait,” “Date from Hell,” “Ali,” “Shade,” “Redemption: Tookie Williams,” “Breaking All the Rules,” “Collateral,” “Ray,” “Stealth,” “Jarhead,” “Miami Vice,” “Dreamgirls,” “the Kingdom,” and “the Soloist.”

    That’s ten (Ali, Breaking, Collateral, Ray, Stealth, Jarhead, Vice, Dreamgirls, Kingdom, Soloist), high profile, expensive movies. Of those ten, half, or five, were big-budget action movies (Stealth, Jarhead, Vice, Collateral, Kingdom). In addition Fox did an additional five movies that were of lesser quality/budget. For a total of fifteen movies.

    Bale by contrast has “American Psycho,” bit parts in the movies “Shaft,” “Captain Corellis Mandolin,” “Laurel Canyon,” Equilibrium,” and “I’m not There.” He had also “the Machinist,” “Batman Begins,” “Harsh Times,” “Rescue Dawn,” “Prestige,” “3:10 to Yuma,” “Dark Knight,” “Terminator Salvation,” and “Public Enemies.” That’s ten movies. Of those, six were big budget high-profile movies (equivalent to say the Soloist), i.e. Psycho, Machinist, Harsh, Dawn, Prestige, Public. The rest (four) were action movies.

    Foxx (15 total movies over 9 years) > Bale (10 total movies starring over 9 years). Perhaps we might quibble over the bit parts Bale had. The ten high-profile movies each did were equal, which itself is weird given that Blacks are only 12.5% of the total potential audience. Foxx had more Action Movies, again inexplicable, since Blacks are a MUCH smaller aspect of the audience (Latinos prefer Spanish Language media and Asians are simply too small to be represented).

    Data points of two. But you can do the same type of comparisons with say, Foxx, Smith, Washington, Jackson, vs. Bale, Willis, Cruise, and so on.

    Maguire is an example of nepotistic casting (his girlfriend is the daughter of a studio head). His emo-gay Spider-Man succeeded because he played … Spider-Man. Make that say, Michael Cera and no superheroics with an iconic character … and you get Nick and Nora’s Infinite Playlist, with revenues to boot.

    PA — Germans knew well of the Holocaust. Everyone, in fact, knew. They just preferred not to think about it because it was not them and they hated the Jews anyway. Polish complicity in the Holocaust, is also well established. Poles during the War went out of their way to ferret out Jews in hiding. By contrast less Catholic Italy (because the Church was older and closer perhaps) did the minimum possible … Primo Levi’s mother and sisters rode out the war in their Apartment.

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  339. loco lurker —when you compare a criminal enterprise a la Donnei Brasco to legitimate work and career, you are, skank.

    who you calling skank girly boy???
    maybe you didn’t get it but other here did, i’m sure.

    Plus there’s none of that messy “murder” b.s.
    Tell that to the cops,millitary and firemen. some jobs are more hazardous than others.

    translation: trying to now backpedal.
    No need to backpedal. If I’m wrong or unsure I have no problem saying so, as I have many times on this blog. I’m a woman so my pride doesn’t get so wound up in being wrong or right.

    who you calling skank girly boy???

    Now how about you grow some pride and stop sending texts to women who have no use for you looney lurker.

    P.S. Don’t let her see you feminine side.

    PPS. Keep it coming loose lipped lurker, I got PMS and I’m right to go at it with you tonight. You are the perfect target, I won’t feel guilty if I lay into you one bit. You’ve had it coming.

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  340. obsidian:

    My argument is to contest the notion, that White guys are being made clowns of in every media venue there is, and I’m strongly challenging that.

    ok, i wasn’t challenging this strawman either. basically:
    black guys: well represented at the top- almost never at the bottom (in interracial casting)
    white guys: well represented at the top and will be the only ones ever represented at the bottom (in interracial casting)

    All franchises. Run the box office and dvd numbers, and holla back. Five’ll get you ten the flicks that starred White guys made more money.

    i wouldn’t dispute this. nor would it surprise me if it’s true. hollywood caters to the world as much as america. white features are easier to sell on both fronts. specifically, on the global front, telemundo and univision are reflective of the latino preference for light features. bollywood is reflective of south asian preference for light features. again, what is amazing is that black men are able to -still- be so well represented among elite hollywood actors despite this and is a testament to their ability and presence.

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  341. lurker
    In Chic’s ideal workplace, everyone is equal and they hug each other like true Comrades.

    In lurker’s ideal workplace, all of the men insult each other like 40-year-old hags on the rag.

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  342. chic:

    Whats wrong with 40 yr old hags on the rag??

    ..reminds me of my sara..wait what..

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  343. Polish complicity in the Holocaust, is also well established. Poles during the War went out of their way to ferret out Jews in hiding.

    Whiskey, I could throw that filthy libel back in your face by saying that Jews, who were massively overrepresented in pre- and post-war Communist Party, went out of their way to denounce Poles to the Soviets and have 1 million of them deported to Siberia or murdered.

    Poles nevertheless saved countless Jews, for which the punishment was a summary execution of the entire complicit family that ws hiding them out. This was the policy only in occupied Poland. Anne Frank’s Dutch friends risked no such fate..

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  344. on June 14, 2009 at 9:47 pm Virginia Gentleman

    Obsidian:

    RoboCop fizzled out after two lackluster movies; it got some syndicated television programs that, so far as I can tell, didn’t make a whole lot of money. Only the first one was really any good. None of the stars from those made out like bandits, and Peter Weller hasn’t been a bankable guy for years if not decades. Kurtwood Smith might’ve been the only one who really went anywhere with his time in the first picture. One of his gang went on to be Romano on E.R.; make of it what you will.

    By comparison, Dr. Doolittle is apparently on its fifth motion picture; the last three have been direct-to-video without the participation of Eddie Murphy. I don’t know what effect you’ll give his absence, though. I’ve heard that the direct-to-video market is a great way to turn a profit, though. However, with Hollywood-style accounting, who knows?

    Taken was a great flick, by the way. Mills’ ex was an absolutely miserable type—I think the regulars on this site would have had fun vivisecting her. I don’t know how they’ll make a sequel—perhaps his ex gets kidnapped?—but I’ll probably give it a look.

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  345. there was a whole lot of Jew-killing and it was NOT predominantly the Germans

    Well, there was a lot of Jew-killing, but most of it was done by Germans, on orders from their Nazi government. The caveat is that this was not ordinary Germans, who knew nothing about the Holocaust, for the most part not even regular Wermacht soldiers, but elite S.S. units, that ran the concentration camps. Also, often with the help of Ukrainian mercenaries.

    (I keep mentioning Ukrainians, but at the same time, I understand that they had good reasons to ally with the Germans, having just gone through the Holodomor, or Stalin-engineered genocidal famine. To them, anyone who was an enemy of Stalin was their friend.)

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  346. Whiskey

    Jamie Foxx is in the lead to play Sinatra in a bio-pic. Foxx!

    Whiskey this^^^ was a joke that turned into a rumor. Jamie Foxx is a very talented actor who could probably pull off Sinatra but I would prefer if a white actor who looks like Sinatra got the role.

    Whiskey, Will Smith had the lead in Ali and his role in “Dream Girls” was minor to those of Jennifer Hudson and Beyonce. The Soloist and Tookie Williams films were bio-pics so of course they had black leads. FYI, the Tookie Williams film was a made for cable TV movie.

    Whiskey Michael Cera is an average looking beta who pulls at my heart strings. There is something so sweet and endearing about him.
    Whiskey I’m sure you know Cera can’t pull a big action movie because he doesn’t have the look. Just be honest, DA is a sort of blk Michael Cera but I can’t see a blk guy who looks DA being an action movie lead. I can see DA as the black scientist who saves the day thought. Cera isn’t doing bad in Hollywood by a long shot.

    Sometimes DA is a pest at times h but there are days when he makes me want to hug him.

    Whiskey, did you hear Bale lay into that stagehand? Maybe he hasn’t gotten many roles because of his attitude.
    Liev Schreiber is an under utilized Hollywood talent( with a manly presence).

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  347. Lurker,
    First off, please see my reply to Freak on why I’m taking on those of you who claim that the White Man is getting the shaft on the tube and the big screen.

    Second, according to the commentary on the official theatrical release (I own both that and the director’s cut of DD-always been a fan), Mark Steven Johnson, the director, said the reason why he chose Michael Clarke Duncan was because of the simple fact that they couldn’t find a young, BIG White guy like the comic book Wilson Fisk aka The Kingpin; Clarke was the biggest guy could think of who had legit acting chops so they went with him and I thought it was a good and credible choice-now don’t tell me the one time the Black guy’s a criminal we’re haggle over that would be realistic are we? 😉

    And finally, yea, I could roll w/say, a Indian type Bond, the problem is, it would be going just a bit too far out. For example, James Bond as a name works for a Black guy as easily as a White guy for all the obvious reasons; for someone who’s peeps hails from Lahore or New Delhi or Riyadh? I don’t think so.

    Like I said, it could work, especially at a time when we’ve got a Black Prez.

    Afterall, we all know no one does style the way Brothas do. Bond is a ladykiller, yes? So, that would definitely make sense.

    I could see Djimon Honsou in the part. Hmm…

    O

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  348. whiskey Look at the videos on my blog — the Jawbone videos where some White guy gets murdered by an Asian family (for being rude) while a Black guy looks on, ignoring it

    No Whiskey that guy was being racist. I know you heard those things he uttered to the man in front of his wife and children.
    Rule #1- don’t insult a man’s pride in front of his wife and children. I’m a woman and even I know that.

    anyway, I didn’t agree with his being killed, that was too much. He did deserve a good smacking around, sure but not a beat down so severe that he couldn’t get up and walk away once they had finished with him.

    Please spare me the talk of violence is wrong, high T blk woman and the like. American children of all races learn violence the minute they go to see any Hollywood blockbuster, play video games and/ or think of entering the military.

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  349. PA — About 3% of the pre-War Jewish population survived in Poland. About 40% in Bulgaria, and about 75% or so in France, about 23% in the Netherlands (easily one of the most Anti-Semitic nations on Earth), and about 80% of Italian Jews survived the Holocaust. [All data from Wikipedia.]

    Poland is unique, and uniquely BAD, in being one of the most active collaborators in killing Jews, in Europe, even more than the Dutch. Even in Eastern Europe the Bulgarians did far better. It was common btw for returning Polish Jews to be killed by Polish civilians after the War. Poland always has been a hotbed of anti-semitism, perhaps only rivaled by Ireland (de Valera sent sympathy notices upon learning of Hitler’s suicide).

    A few Poles took extreme measures to save Jews. But most according to direct, eyewitness testimony of survivors, particularly in the film Shoah, delighted in collaborating with the Nazis to exterminate Jews.

    The numbers don’t lie. A three percent survival rate compared with 40% in Fascist Bulgaria, or 80% in Mussolini’s Italy, or even 23% in anti-Semitic Netherlands, is a record of shame.

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  350. Obsidian–

    So, again, I’m just not feeling any of what you guys are saying because, and I’m talking toyou now Whiskey, I’m using your metrics-big Summertime movies which are the only cash cows left in Hollywood, and the big tv shows. To a Man, the leads are White.

    If Hollywood, meaning it’s studio heads, producers, agents, directors and writers have an agenda of pushing certain leftist but not seen as beyond the pale social agendas to become more and more accepted, it would make sense to do it during the “off seasons” when aggregate eyeballs were greater but the key money making mass draw for a few flicks was less critical, wouldn’t it?

    Take a look at MTV including a decade ago for some of the biggest shaping efforts.

    Of course white men haven’t been eliminated from heroic roles in Hollywood Obsidian, considering how important they and white women are to total dollar sales (eyeballs are largely irrelevant, it’s $ back to the studios and producers that are determinative so far as money goes). As well many groups like Hispanics haven’t viscerally bought the disdain that many in Hollywood feel for most white men who aren’t Jewish or perhaps Italian or Irish (i.e. for WASPs, the Jewish arch rival/enemy in America. Rival in their upper registers esp. in the north; enemies among rednecks and in blue states (reverse named to avoid the red=left=commie association, which is natural around the entire world)).

    Blacks however have been promoted beyond all proportion or reason, and also with blithe disregard to the actual social situation. The attempt since the sixties has been for Hollywood to shape it, though there was a considerable retreat in the eighties and most of the nineties as audiences not raised on the Hollywood propaganda got sick of it’s lack of realism once the novelty wore off, for the most part that is.

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  351. What I find puzzling about the Germans and the Holocaust is that we blame ordinary Germans for the Holocaust but we don’t blame ordinary Russians for the Stalinist crimes. Do we blame the North Koreans for the acts of their dictator?

    Hitler killed anybody who opposed him, including Germans.

    Anyway, about blacks in the movies. Blacks are only 13% of the population. Naturally, white actors are bigger box office draws in this country. How many Asians are big box office draws in this country?

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  352. OK, this is getting ridiculous.

    Whiskey, first off, I’m against the Foxx as Sinatra project. Why? Because Sinatra, unlike Bond, was a real live person, and if you’re do a biopic on him, you have to get a guy who resembles him as much as possible, which means a White, and if possible, Italian-American guy.

    Bond, on the other hand, is a fictional character, one who’s undergone untold number of revisions. The point is that Bond desperately needs to be remade in order to truly be relevant, and the truth of the matter is that spy services like MI6 need more Honsous than Craigs in today’s world.

    And as for your comparison of Bale and Foxx, you gotta be kidding. Compare the raw revenues, worldwide box office and dvd sales, for both Batman flicks, and compare to say, four of the topmost selling Foxx flicks. No. Comparison.

    The. End.

    Like I said, White guys’ position as cultural icons are secure. You guys can give the victim rap a much needed rest.

    Oh…and Maguire’s old lady’s pops is Quincy Jones.

    And Peter Parker in the comics WAS indeed a dweeb and a nerd of the first order. Tobey nailed it.

    O

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  353. From Whiskey’s blog. The aholery starts at about 1:20 seconds.

    where did lurker go? I really am having a time of it today. My PMS isn’t this intense usually, I thought he and I would curse each other out for half the night.

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  354. whiskey Foxx has at least as many issues in being difficult as Bale.
    I haven’t come across any. You would be better naming Terrence Howard as a difficult Black actor.

    Whiskey, how many people have had coworkers who piss them off? Can you talk to your coworker like this and not get a letter of dismisal? Bale should get over it, he got his millions and that’s that.

    Time is money, most directors would have ripped the guy the first time,
    Sure, hope they ripped that Shia Lebof. How many accidents has Shia had that led to a movie he was currently filming being put on hold?

    P.S. Whiskey, was Bale’s rant an example of the violent alpha we women can’t get enough of 🙂

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  355. whiskey Women HATE on the other hand, controlled violence, guys who are “ordinary” (like the real life Band of Brothers) but capable of both heroic sacrifice and dangerous unified action as soldiers not lone warrior thugs.

    *grabs whiskey by the collar and shakes hard*

    whiskey, women want the former. The former is the type who can protect you if need be.

    This is an order whiskey ….Stay away from those trashy women. They are changing you, no woman should have that type of power over you.
    P.S. when are you going to tell us about those wild teachers you dated 🙂

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  356. James Bond as a Black guy makes about as much sense as a White Shaft.

    How about Paul Walker as SHAFT! Laying down those jive-ass comebacks. Riding hard in the hood! Sound stupid? It is.

    Shaft is a BLACK character. He only makes sense as Black character. His history, background, his cultural value is all in a Black character.

    Same with James Bond. He’s White. He’s “ours.” He is a thug in a suit who plays at being an English Gentlemen (and is in the novels) but can be a stone cold killer. Last time I looked, Djimon Hounso is not your English Gentlemen.

    I’m just tired … of seeing White guys be the doofus fool that Black men and White women look on patronizingly in commercials. Of seeing Black guys in lead roles where there’s no reason other than to have a guy with no real commercial impact be the lead and build up your diversity credits. Of seeing commercial after commercial after commercial with all Blacks, in a nation that is only 12.5% Black. I’m tired of seeing Victorian Era stuff on Masterpiece Theater with Black/White couples as something common that excites no comment in 1880’s London. I’m tired of having “diversity” and the message that Joe Average White guy does not count crammed down my throat 24/7 by the media.

    I have no problem with Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin in Daredevil. He did a good job. I don’t have a problem with the Rock starring in his action movies, the man is a walking cartoon. I DO have a problem with “diversity” being one more aspect to the eternal war on the Average White guy by the coalition of gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and Women.

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  357. — About 3% of the pre-War Jewish population survived in Poland

    German occupation of Poland was the most ruthless and bloody of all their territorial conquests. Poland was the only conquered state that was not offered a pro-Nazi puppet government or any large-scale opportunity to collaborate, and whose population was seen as worthy only of enslavement. Poles were second after the Jews to be wiped out. Lebensraum.

    Poland was simply land that was to be cleared of people so that urban planners in Berlin could start populating it with German cities. Bulgaria was of peripheral concern to the Germans.

    Also, the concentration of Jews there was the highest in all of Europe. And that’s also where the number and concentration of occupying German forces was the highest. That’s why the Holocaust machine operated most effectively.

    You have no idea what the average Pole went through in that war. Three million ethnic Poles were murdered by teh Nazis, another million by the Soviets. You know why Poland had the most active resistance movement in all of Europe? Because they had no choice.

    All four of my grandparents lived through the war, three of them fought in the Resistance (Armia Krajowa), they were persecuted for this after the war by the Communists (many of whom were Jewish) and each of them lost immediate family members. My non-Jewish great grandmother and her two sons were gassed in Auschwits.

    Notice that I don’t do any PC douchebaggy pleading along the lines of “but Poles loooooved the Jews.” No, that wasn’t the case. There was no love lost between the two. Diversity rarely makes for amity.

    But at the same time, Polish-Jewish relations were as amicable as could be expected under the circumstances. Before the war, they mostly lives in separate spheres, and ignored each other as much as they could.

    During the war, Poles saved Jews way out of proportion for their numbers, as the memorial at Yad Vashem in Israel tells. At risk of fucking death to themselves and their children and neighbors if caught. Again, this German policy was only employed in occupied Poland. Residents of entire housing blocks, including infants, were put against the wall because one neighbor was caught hiding a Jew.

    If you wanna throw in Polish criminals, black marketers, and such into the equasion, many of whom did sell out Jews, then again — I will throw in Jewish Communists who sold out one million Poles, who were sent to Siberia or got a bullet in the head, to the Soviets.

    — particularly in the film Shoah

    You’re using Holocaust movies as your sources? That’s idiotic. I might as well get my Holocaust history from David Irving.

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  358. LR — the Nazi Holocaust in many ways was inspired by the success of the Turkish genocide of Armenians. In Hitler’s own words.

    And no one talks about the Soviet genocide of Ukrainians just ten years before the Nazis came to power. Up to possibly 10 million Ukrainians were murdered by a deliberatley-engineered famine.

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  359. Whiskey,
    First off, I’ve been a big fan of Masterpiece Theatre going back to the Aliester Cook era. I mustve missed the memo where all of Dickens’ stuff would have dashing Black Male leads.

    Just the other nite I watched Mystery Theatre which also comes outta the UK; Kenneth Branaugh, who I’ve long liked and admired, as the detective Wallander; not a Black face in the place, and I loved the flick. Thought everyone did a great job.

    As for trying to make a legit comparison btw Shaft and Bond…come one. One came about as a direct response to a lack of visable Black characters on-screen, that’s why Bale wouldn’t work as Shaft, Whiskey. Bond on the other hand, is as much an idea as he is a Man. Fleming actually based the character on himself, for example they both like short sleeve shirts shaken martinis and scambled eggs. And they both were known to get around w/the ladies, both held the rank of Commander (Sir Ian Fleming; Sir James Bond) and so on. So, I don’t really see the same explicit racial angle that I do in Shaft, which probably explains why the character never went anywhere much beyond a few flicks, becase not enough was put into the concept behind Shaft other than he being Black.

    As for you doubting Honsou, I’ll tell you what: put both him and Craig side by side in the same Tom Ford/Gucci suit, stand back, and let the ladies decide. Seal was and remains, hugely popular in the UK and the wider EU, and doesn’t do so bad here in the USA. It could work. Trust me.

    Again: the idea that White guys are getting the Rodney Dangerfield treatment is basless really. I’ve rattled off umpteen names of major tv and movie vehicles, all of em featuring White guys in the lead roles. They all made big money. The End.

    O

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  360. Obsidian, I took you up on your question as to why you chose the straight and not the criminal path. It’s at “June 14, 2009 at 10:36” this morning.

    Do you agree with my thinking?

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  361. Whiskey said:

    > Of seeing Black guys in lead roles where there’s no reason other than t…

    I kind of agree. Like the black computer whiz in the Terminator2 movie. Or commercials that show white guys as crooks just so that they don’t get called racist.

    But the other thing that gets me in movies is the “token gay” -it would be rare for a movie to show a gay character being a histrionic deviant.

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  362. @doug

    Yes I agree with you on the second season. It didn’t seem to fit Don’s character to sleep on the floor because his wife ordered him to. I would see him more as the “suck it up buttercup” type and if she didn’t want him to sleep with her, well then she could sleep on the floor. It will be interesting to see where the third season goes.

    @chic

    I’m sorry if I offended you on my ‘real woman’ comment. Of course women come in all shapes and sizes. My comment was more to say that women like Joan and me are under-represented on prime time television and truthfully our body types are more representative of the average woman. Maybe even average is overstating it, I’m not sure what the stats are but obesity is likely a huge epidemic in North America and maybe is more the average. We (Joan and I) are not obese, but delightfully curvy in our hourglass way. I’m sure in your tinyness you’re delightful too. *grin*

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  363. mu, I think whiskey came up with a good analogy for walker as shaft. the bigger argument can be made why don’t women(of all races) front more films. Why are Black women almost shut out of Hollywood. Most Black male characters don’t have Black wives, why is that?

    MU As for you doubting Honsou, I’ll tell you what: put both him and Craig side by side in the same Tom Ford/Gucci suit, stand back, and let the ladies decide.

    honsou may win over Craig but a better race(no pun) would be between Honsou and Bale. Bale has the looks, coloring, and height to play Bond.

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  364. on June 14, 2009 at 11:16 pm Tupac Chopra

    I’m just tired … of seeing White guys be the doofus fool that Black men and White women look on patronizingly in commercials.

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  365. I’d pick Daniel Day Lewis as a good James Bond and a sex symbol, though in my mind I’m picturing him in ’90s movies. He may be a bit old today.

    I don’t think by and large white guys are getting dissed in movies. They are, however, seriously humiliated in TV commercials.

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  366. We (Joan and I) are not obese, but delightfully curvy in our hourglass way.
    and this is why my default is in love with you lol. Betty Paige has a similar body type. It’s ties with the super model body type as my favorite.

    I’m sure in your tinyness you’re delightful too. *grin*
    Oh I’m not that tiny. I’m 5’9.5 and a size 6 sometimes 8. SMH I wish I could fit a size two.

    but obesity is likely a huge epidemic in North America and maybe is more the average
    I think Joan is smaller than the average American woman who wears a size 14 and weighs 169 pounds.

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  367. obsidian:

    Again: the idea that White guys are getting the Rodney Dangerfield treatment is basless really. I’ve rattled off umpteen names of major tv and movie vehicles, all of em featuring White guys in the lead roles. They all made big money. The End.

    strawman. at least if it was directed at my arguments. alpha white males still are represented very well. comparable to alpha black males. i don’t think anyone is disputing this (including whiskey).

    the point of issue is whether or not you believe the contention that only white males seem to be vastly disproportionately represented as the beta ‘fool’ in an interracial cast. whiskey has an outstanding post right now on his blog that graphically highlights the matter.

    another point you might or might not dispute: most white males are more like beta males than the leading actor alphas so how the beta white male looks is arguably more relevant than how the alpha white male is made to look.

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  368. @chic

    I’m a 10, not in beauty but in size, Joan is probably very similar. My waist has always been tinier which thankfully has allowed me to get away with the hips and full breasts otherwise I’d just look fat. She would be taller…sigh.

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  369. The only movie with an interracial cast I can think of in which a black guy is shown as a goofy beta: Marvin in “Pulp Fiction.”

    He’s the scrawny, milquetoasty kid who mumbles deferentially “man, I don’t even HAVE an opinion!” to John Travolta’s character and immediately after gets accidentally shot in the face.

    Actually, there is another movie, a farcical comedy about a football team, (I forgot the title) in which a black wide receiver drops passes and works on it by repeating “the ball is my friend! the ball is my friend!”

    Of recent movies in which sharp racial situations were touched upon, and in which there was no great white racist villain, and whites (as well as blacks) were all shown as complex and human, there was Friday Night Lights.

    In fact, the movie surprisingly went as far as to show the all-black football team as racist dirty players, and their coaches as black demagogues.

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  370. “I imagine I will be labeled a suck up beta for saying this, but I also think the same thing applies to guys. A guy who feels the need to fuck around even during the early stages of a relationship is not husband material.

    There’s a difference between (1) a guy who has an occasional fling after many years of marriage to a wife who pays more attention to the children and who has let herself go a bit; and (2) a guy who feels he must be dating other women even in the honeymoon period of a sexual relationship.”

    Exactly! And all the ‘go bang elsewhere all weekend!’ is not really on. You guys are not making me feel the least bit more confident/trusting of men I date. (note: not saying (1) above is good either.)

    @ whiskey:
    “Women want uncontrolled, violent thuggery, and it’s no different among Black or White women. They both want the thugs. Guys who kill at the drop of a hat. Women HATE on the other hand, controlled violence, guys who are “ordinary” (like the real life Band of Brothers) but capable of both heroic sacrifice and dangerous unified action as soldiers not lone warrior thugs. It’s why women hate war stories (brotherhood, self sacrifice, teamwork, etc.) and love lone thug stories and stuff like the videos. Women want the power of the thug for themselves. Not understanding that the power is always destructive, that it needs control and a leash at all times, or it will turn on itself and everything around them.”

    I think you have it backwards, or at least moderate that statement.

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  371. on June 14, 2009 at 11:35 pm GNPs are for Apes

    It is absurd for anyone to claim that black men are not give enough exposure in Hollywood.

    Given that the black population is one-sixth of the white population, AND that the black output is one-tenth of the white output, AND that most Hollywood flicks have to make a lot of money overseas, where most people are not interested in seeing black leading men…

    I think black men do very well in Hollywood.

    There should be no expectation that black actors generate the same revenue as white actors.

    Who is really getting the shaft is Hispanics. Given that there are more Hispanics than blacks in America, and the Latin American market, there are a lot fewer Hispanic stars in Hollywood than blacks.

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  372. obsidian:

    As for you doubting Honsou, I’ll tell you what: put both him and Craig side by side in the same Tom Ford/Gucci suit, stand back, and let the ladies decide. Seal was and remains, hugely popular in the UK and the wider EU, and doesn’t do so bad here in the USA. It could work. Trust me.

    what’s your thing with honsou? there are a lot of much better looking black male actors out there. besides, the idea of a black bond has to play not just in the anglosphere, but in other areas of the world, like india, the middle east, and latin america, for example.

    First off all, please check your tv history-in the comics and early on in the Batman tv series, Catwoman was White-but the Woman who really brough depth to the role and made it memorable, was Eartha Kitt, a Black Woman.

    if the race of a character who defined the role is relevant, then you really can’t show how james bond should be black. a white connery was the epitome in bonds. your subjectively using this criteria depending on when it suits your argument.

    btw, i have no problem with a black cat woman based on the logic of the criteria you cited, and i agree that her race was likely not the reason it flopped.

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  373. on June 14, 2009 at 11:38 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Afterall, we all know no one does style the way Brothas do.

    This is why you are so bothered by the existence of David Alexander. He taints the ‘brand’, in your view. Some would say he improves the brand as a docile black men against the norm of thuggish gangsta violence.

    But he taints the ‘Game’ brand, so his existence is anathema.

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  374. This is why you are so bothered by the existence of David Alexander.

    That’s a very good point.

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  375. on June 14, 2009 at 11:42 pm GNPs are for Apes

    That’s how the world works chic, unless you want to move to full socialism of the financial sector, followed by other ones.

    That is why it is a disaster when unmarried women vote.

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  376. Freak, Whiskey, etc et al:

    Newsflash: the vast majority of sperm do not make it to the egg. Lesson: Males are disposable. Only the strong survive.

    No one wants to watch some ordinary dude getting the girl, even other ordinary dudes. So, you either do your damnest to measure, or you gracefully bow out.

    The point is, yea, for White guys who got the chops, the world is their oyster. If you’re a loser, you’re a loser, and no one, especially in America, wants that. Especially Women.

    Game gives the ordinary guy the chance to become something else-a better version of himself. It doesn’t work because most guys refuse to change anything about themselves-take Dave Alex, for example. Yet all those guys I mentioned that did well in film-do you think they simply rolled outta bed and became movie stars? Heck no. They worked their asses off to get where they are. Ford, Crowe and Denzel, for example, had extensive dental work to get where they are. And most Betas whine and moan about getting a haircut or going to the gym.

    No fellas, being a nice guy isn’t good enough. Lust matters. And you need to ignite lust in a Woman, and guess what, it can be done. I’ve done it. And so have many, many other Men down thru the ages.

    Whiskey says he can’t keep a Woman. Maybe its because he ain’t fuckin’ em right. He should study the Kama Sutra as much as he studies film and compare the before and after results w/Women. Trust me, he’ll see improvement.

    Other Betas sulk at home instead of getting off their ass and doing something about their life. Most of the commercials I don’t even know about because I’m too busy living life, not worried about how I’m supposed to be represented on the tube.

    Life ain’t fair, and if anyone learns this, its us guys. But we do have the means to do something about it, and the great thing is, that Women can be more easily drawn in by a guy that works hard to be a good seducer. For that you don’t necessarily have to have leading man looks or over the top machismo. You just need to make some basic changes in how you look, how you think and how you approach the world.

    O

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  377. on June 14, 2009 at 11:46 pm Tupac Chopra

    They worked their asses off to get where they are. Ford, Crowe and Denzel, for example, had extensive dental work to get where they are.

    lol

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  378. Apeman, PA,
    Actually, no, trust me when I tell you, DA is the farthest thing from my mind when I think about Black folks in any form shape or fashion.

    As for Honsou as Bond, he immediately came to mind, he’s got roots in Europe insofar as he’s lived there for some time, and he has the right look to pull it off. Plus he reminds me a lot of Seal, another popular Black Man in the EU.

    And as for why I went straight-I don’t know. Maybe I didn’t want to end up dead.

    😉

    O

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  379. I am really disappointed with all of you guys in the answers to this and the original thread.

    The correct answer is that she flew out of town on a mystery trip and left the dude in the dark because she thought she was pregnant to Dude 1 and was trying to [/b]cuckhold[b] out of town Dude 2 (who earns more money) by doing a quick inter cycle double tagg…..

    The correct answer is to ignore the whole affair, and take her camping in the very very scarey deep dark woods the next weekend, and in the middle of the night, when she is completely and utterly dependent on you leave her stranded…. walk away……

    staying alone all night in the scarey woods will be good for her character

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  380. Traditional Culture worked. It gave in entertainment a model of how to get ahead: cooperate, work hard, play by the rules, respect authority, obey the law, punish the lawbreakers, and so on.

    Compare this:

    With This:

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  381. — ordinary Poles making the throat cutting gesture and laughing is pretty powerful.

    Even if true, gestures don’t kill people. Zyklon-B and AG Farben-made gas chambers do.

    — Even or especially Fascist Italy and Bulgaria had more Jews survive.

    You didn’t read my earlier response to this point. Poland was where German activities and forces were most concentrated. Clearing the land for German settlers was a priority. Bulgaria was peripheral to German interests and had a fraction of its occupying troops.

    — At the same time, ordinary Poles collaborated at levels higher even than the Dutch to hunt down Jews.

    A filthy libel. No Pole was even offered an opportunity to collaborate at a high level. There was no high level Polish collaboration with Germans because Germans were not interested in cultivating a puppet Quisling government. Polish territory was ran by war criminal Hans Frank. There were no Poles reporting to him at any level.

    The only Poles who collaborated in hunting down Jews were criminals and blackmailers.

    Again, if you gonna bring them up, I’m gonna throw Jewish Communists back in your face, who collaborated with the Soviets in murdering or exiling over a million Poles to Siberia.

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  382. on June 15, 2009 at 12:25 am Willard Libby

    It’s absurd to talk about a black male playing James Bond. And what’s the deal with Seal and Honsou. Those two guys look like shaved apes. They are laughingly grotesque looking.

    Why not cast a White man in the Duke Ellington story, he did have White ancestry.

    Shaka Zull staring Paul Walker as the Zulu genocidal maniac. James Gandolfini as Idi Amin!!

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  383. If you look at the two videos, side by side, 1950’s America worked. It not only started desegregation (at considerable risk by both Democratic and Republican Presidents) but valued cooperation, law abiding, and team work.

    Broderick Crawford fought crime with the help of his organization and men. Dexter is an obsessed serial killer (with a huge female following btw, most of the fans of the show are women) who only kills other serial killers.

    Which obviously doesn’t work.

    Broderick Crawford’s America worked, because lots of men working together, in a common goal, each doing what he can within a organizational context, is more powerful than a loner psychopath who can’t feel working out his sadistic issues. That so many women love the show Dexter I will leave to others. But there it is.

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  384. Afterall, we all know no one does style the way Brothas do.

    Complete crap.

    Brothers are by and large not smart enough or worldly enough to do style really well, or to pick up most really hot white (or Asian) or e.g. Arab girls, esp. who aren’t super sluts.

    Sophisticated relaxed high style as opposed to ghetto or cheap flash style. The number of brothas that are both good looking, well built and smart and sophisticated enough is small indeed.

    However there is alot of propaganda around this image since it’s so important to many black men’s self esteem.

    It’s especially part of the Obsidian propaganda here all the time.

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  385. doug1:

    To my knowledge the only reparations which the the Western portions of Germany paid after WWII were to Israel and Jewish organizations, but principally Israel.

    Germans have paid significant amounts of money in individual damages to survivors of concentration camps, forced labor, Gestapo torture, etc., both Jews and others. See for example here: http://www.ushmm.org/assets/frg.htm. There has been a series of bilateral treaties in which Germans agreed to pay lump sums to several countries in the name of damages to their citizens (see the appendixes in the linked article), which I guess qualifies as “reparations”, and anyone eligible from any other country can apply for compensation individually. You’re right that no WW1-style reparations were imposed by the Western Allies, and I’d also say that the total sums paid out by Germany haven’t been much compared to both the German GDP and the scale of the Nazi killing and destruction.

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  386. Willard Libby,

    I was thinking about why obese black women are preferred by black men, and why the obese black women have more children :

    Africa is the land of the biggest megafauna : the elephant, rhino, and hippopotamus. These are beasts with no natural predators. When one of them dies, an entire human tribe has food for 2 weeks.

    Thus, these megafauna are valued and revered in the scarcity of Africa.

    Thus, black women who resemble these megafauna (in size, shape, skin color, and skin texture) are valued by black men. It is an ingrained instinct of the megafauna being a lifeline out of scarcity.

    That is why the fattest black women are the most sought after by black men. Again : size, shape, color, and texture.

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  387. Willard nailed it.

    White women really HATE most White men. They really do. Mostly because they can afford to.

    Of course, the consequence of that hatred, is that there is no real possibility of bonds being built between White men and Women. No real possibility of a loving marriage or nuclear family. Just constant Gaming, extended one-night stands, and the rest.

    If you are as disciplined as Dave in Hawaii, which I suspect few men are, and have natural size/strength/working advantages, particularly if you are not in an environment where everything works against you, i.e. cooperation, teamwork, not being an A-hole, it’s possible to find love and marriage. IF you work on Game 24/7, no let up.

    Most men lack the discipline. Fewer have the size and strength advantages (I suspect Dave’s build and strength gave him “wiggle room” an average sized guy or smaller would lack wrt his wife and her feelings for him). Even fewer have the advantages of being not in a cube farm, or offices, requiring basically not to be a grade-A A-hole that women demand.

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  388. on June 15, 2009 at 1:05 am Cannon's Canon

    In other news, $134 billion of US bearer bonds were seized from two Japanese men in Italy last week. The men were en route to Switzerland; the bonds were discovered in the false bottom of a suitcase.

    The American media coverage of this has been next to nothing. The cursory mention on Bloomberg is in stark contrast to German media, as detailed here.

    http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/guardia-di-finanza-to-bloombergdie-welt.html

    Anyone who doubts our government’s influence over press coverage may google last week’s “cover up”: Tim Geithner was laughed at by Chinese students when he announced that the dollar was sound and Chinese-owned American assets were “very safe.” Bloomberg changed their headline within a couple of hours.

    Regardless, the difference in media spins lies in whether or not the seized bonds are real or counterfeit. The US has not (legally) issued bearer bonds since 1982, so it is unlikely that such a large pool of debt would exist in that form, unaccounted for. However, the implausibility of cashing a $500 million dollar bearer bond makes the counterfeit explanation equally shaky.

    Karl Denninger has advanced the idea on his (terrific) blog that the US has secretly issued debt to other countries. The likely recipients in this case are Japan and China. That the debt is ‘off the books’ suggests that the costs of our standing deficits are being deliberately downplayed. This has implications in world currency markets and, perhaps more profoundly, the US financial sector stocks. No coincidence that Goldman Sachs has such a heavy hand in shaping fiscal policy.

    Interesting times…

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  389. whiskey:

    About 3% of the pre-War Jewish population survived in Poland. About 40% in Bulgaria, and about 75% or so in France, about 23% in the Netherlands (easily one of the most Anti-Semitic nations on Earth), and about 80% of Italian Jews survived the Holocaust.

    Whiskey, if you’re so clueless about the history of WW2 that you don’t know the differences between the length of the German occupation and the conditions imposed by the Nazis in each of these countries, you’d better stay away from the topic altogether. Not to mention that Bulgaria wasn’t even occupied by Germany in WW2, and it didn’t extradite any of its Jewish citizens to Germans (though they did extradite the Jews they found in the neighboring territories occupied by their army, as well as some who were foreign citizens). Your numbers are also way off.

    It’s true that anti-Semitic pogroms have been a popular folk custom in Eastern Europe since time immemorial, and outbreaks of anti-Jewish violence have accompanied almost every historical upheaval there. Poland obviously wasn’t an exception, and you can easily google the history of widespread pogroms in Poland in the turmoil after WW1 and even after WW2. However, the Nazi holocaust was completely off the chart by all historical standards, and accusing the Poles of being complicit in it en masse is ludicrous.

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  390. Whiskey–

    the Netherlands (easily one of the most Anti-Semitic nations on Earth)

    Easily one of the stupidest and least informed things I’ve ever heard about levels of anti Semitism in various countries.

    People should just completely stop listening to you. You just say whatever the hell you feel like, if it feels right to you, regardless of what evidence or credible source you have for anything.

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  391. Roissy wrote…
    “An important feeling every man wants in a relationship is the feeling of OWNING, in some part, his woman. This is a natural expression of the masculine essence, and is as undeniable, unassailable, and unalterable as is the feminine essence of wanting to love and be loved by a dominant man. The woman in my story has declared by her disrespect for my friend, whether intended or not, that she will not be owned. Stay away from women who think this way. They are at war with their feminine souls.”

    This is pure gold worth a second read. I wish I had written it.

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  392. on June 15, 2009 at 2:08 am Marcus Aureliette

    Same with James Bond. He’s White. He’s “ours.”

    Bond’s not just a white guy, he’s an upper-class British white guy, and he’s not really “yours” in any way that resonates unless you are, too. There’s a lot more nuance to British social class than simply white vs. black, and that’s an essential part of the Bond universe. The character could no more be black than he could be American.

    I may not agree with whiskey a great deal of the time, but I think he got it right with this: “James Bond as a Black guy makes about as much sense as a White Shaft.” Both are equally ridiculous.

    I don’t have a problem with the Rock starring in his action movies, the man is a walking cartoon.

    I was very surprised to see that he has decent comic timing and a rather pleasant singing voice. Hard to imagine he’ll get much opportunity to demonstrate what range he might have, though, big slab of beefcake that he is. There’s a situation where a guy’s appearance, despite being what some would call a male ideal, may actually limit his chances for broader success.

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  393. Just for the record, I do think LR is honest about what her opinions are, particularly with Beta men, and her initial disclosures about her personal life. Scuds, being celibate, and so on. Not so much.

    But she can’t even fake an enthusiam for beta guys. That’s why she’s so damn useful.

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  394. on June 15, 2009 at 3:58 am Kobe Bryant FTW

    Roissy is a dirty nigger. I shit on hoes every day.

    Bitches ain’t shit and Roissy is a faggot.

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  395. You’re hitting the nail on the head Whiskey and it aint pleasant to all and sundry.

    Trotskyite socialism always undermines the dominant culture to the benefit of minority cultures. To ghettoize and polarize the whole social strata is its aim (as the dominant culture is its only threat).

    The only bulwark to international socialism is the Anglosphere world and by proxy the Christian white male. Liberalism, immigration, feminism, affirmative action, environmentalism, family courts etc. are all means to an end and the end game is the demise of the Anglosphere world.

    That’s why blacks are held in perpetual opposition to whites. Marcus Garvey was railroaded by the NAACP as he wouldn’t settle for bullshit integration because he knew what their agenda was. Had he got his way we wouldn’t have this situation now.

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  396. I’m just tired … of seeing White guys be the doofus fool that Black men and White women look on patronizingly in commercials.

    You are really reaching with that commercial. Both of the guys in your commercial are dumbasses, not just the white guy. I’ve seen plenty of commercials where it’s two dumb white guys or two dumb black guys doing something equally as dumb, whether it’s the “Fooling with Sasquatch” commercials or the black McDonald’s commercials. It’s an ANTI-GUY thing, all guys black or white are being made into feminized morons in commercials, not just whites. Because you guys are crybabies always looking for ways to feel offended, you only notice things that help you feel like victims and ignore anything else that shows you are not alone in your victimization.

    Look at this commercial for example, it’s not just a white thing to be made an ass of in TV commercials:

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  397. on June 15, 2009 at 6:20 am Cannon's Canon

    irrefutable proof that white guys are the eternal embodiment of all things not desirable:

    the bud bundy cameo in the krs-one “mc’s act like they don’t know” video

    that is all.

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  398. Cannon,
    I suppose you’ve never heard of Eminem, huh? Whiskey mentions Vanilla Ice, a joke by anyone’s standard. Eminem is revered in the Hip Hop community and worked w/some of the biggest names in the busines almost from Day One. That’s because the guy is talented and has proven himself in MC battles back home in Detroit, etc.

    So, *again*, I’m just not seeing how White guys on a whole are being wholesale dissed in the media. Just not seeing it.

    O

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  399. Playing catch up with posts here…

    LR – What you and others seem to miss here is that I was referring to a woman being monogamous while the man is sleeping around.

    Nope. Didn’t miss that at all.

    Whether the woman chooses to only sleep with him or date other guys has nothing to do with the fact that you cannot expect women in general to remain monogamous if the man is sexually active with other women.

    A man can sleep around a bit and, if he’s Alpha, the woman will often forgive it and remain faithful. It may even increase her attraction. The reverse is simply not true, except perhaps for lap dog betas who are scared to death that they will never find anything else.

    I’m watching this play out right now with a naturally Alpha friend. The girl who made him wait and who is most likely only sleeping with him, the one who has had fewer partners in life, is LTR material in his eyes.

    The girl who wanted to fuck him from date one, but who is likely sleeping around, and who has had many partners, is nothing but a good time to him.

    These girls know there are ‘others’, and it only makes them compete harder.

    I bet the LTR girl, if asked in the abstract, would recoil at the thought of a man sleeping around on a faithful girl even though she’s living it. But she would readily rationalize her choice. She’s living proof that the sexes, their behaviors, and their expectations of one another are not, and never will be, equal.

    What woman would put up with such a thing?!

    The majority for the right man.

    it’s ridiculous, is my point and the “high quality” women that you refer to would also NOT put up with that.

    You would be shocked. Note that I don’t believe this because of any game essay or book I read. I’ve observed this throughout life, time and again, from high school on. It’s one of the things which puzzled me most about women. Game just explained it. Women will put up with an amazing amount of shit from Alphas. Some of it even makes them wetter.

    I have never met a single woman whether “high quality” or otherwise who would say “Sure I know he’s sleeping around and everything, but I’m willing to wait for whatever sloppy seconds he throws my way and take myself off the dating market while I’m waiting” that has even an ounce of self respect.

    That counts for shit because you women do not understand, and cannot anticipate or explain, your own behavior when it comes to sexual attraction. You are far better at understanding male attraction and behavior than your own. It’s why so many women will loudly complain about the awful men they date, only to go date more of the same, over and over again. You girls don’t understand your own desires.

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  400. I cite the wives of Eliot Spitzer, Tony Villaraigosa, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Gavin Newsome, to name a few, who put up with not just cheating but mega-cheating.

    Nothing but net on that shot whiskey…nothing but net 🙂

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  401. You can blame feminism all you want, but the fact is that many African-Americans have little familiarity with successful family formation and thus civilization. The slave owner has been replaced by the state.

    Thomas Sowell dashed this theory to pieces in one of his essays where he analyzed black marriage and divorce rates over the 20th century.

    This theory also doesn’t hold up well to the fact that other races are experiencing the same declines. You can’t argue that people of northern European descent have no experience with family formation, yet they’re on the same general curve as the African-American community.

    If you want to blame anyone blame Lyndon Johnson and the war on poverty for taking away the role of a father and replacing it with welfare so the black man could roam free and pump n dump while the mother collects from the taxpayer.

    Now you have hit on a huge contributing factor. But what is the root of nanny government if not women’s suffrage? You remove the female vote from the equation and this nation would have never, ever veered hard left like it has.

    I believe Roissy has said that giving women the right to vote was the single worst thing to happen to America. I agree.

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  402. Obsidian – What needs to happen is that we a society need to get serious about putting Black Men to work. Particularly those who’ve been in jail. That is the only real solution here, since Black Women really only see Black Men as their rightful mates, for the most part. Of course, what I’m proposing will take a lot of, simply put, balls, because the very mention of suggesting any wide-ranging public policy addressing the economic needs of Black Men enmasse is sure to ignite a backlash, if not a whole heck of a lot of kneejerking on the part of quite a few White Men, many of whom are themselves feeling the economic crunch, and who have an axe to grind wrt Affirmative Action, they their targets are misguided (they need to be addressing White Women in the main getting over on AA).

    Comments?

    Yes. We could put everyone to work who wants to work by…

    * Slashing government borrowing and spending.

    * Re-writing the tax code to make it fair and sane, and reducing the overall burden of taxation and tax law compliance.

    * Re-writing our environmental laws so that they actually make sense and don’t send businesses running for other nations.

    * Re-writing our many other regulations to reduce cost of compliance.

    * Exploiting our own energy resources to reduce the cost and uncertainty of energy supplies. (And no, green energy is not an answer.)

    * Opening K-12 education to competition, thereby forcing the public schools to either improve or go out of business. (Public education is literally destroying the lives of young black kids in inner city districts.)

    * Sending all illegal immigrants home and securing our borders.

    Good luck on seeing any of this happen. We are going to bleed more jobs to China and India, not bring jobs home. And that’s going to leave more blacks and whites out of work and out of society. And as whiskey so often points out, a large, idle group of men with no investment in society is NOT a good thing.

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  403. Obsidian on June 13, 2009 at 9:54 am – very well said. I think the only thing I would add is that in the past masculine behavior wasn’t vilified by feminists and suppressed by a society under feminist influence. So men were raised by their fathers, and expected by society, to behave like men. This means men in general were actually more Alpha and more attractive to women. Throw in younger marriages (pair bonding biology) and men and women were actually likely to fall in love and stay together. Shocking to imagine in this day and age….

    DA just doesn’t seem to understand that men and women were raised to be different than they are today. So it’s not as simple as women just putting up with betas who they needed for financial support.

    Obsidian on June 14, 2009 at 6:43 am – that was an eye opener.

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  404. Obsidian
    I don’t know, I hate to disagree with you, but I think I’ve encountered “alpha” females…

    No, you have not. As Roissy has pointed out, an Alpha male is a male who can consistently attract and bang women. This is distinct from the average male who, in this day and age, can have a tremendous amount of difficulty attracting and banging even one woman.

    Given the natures of men and women (abundance of sperm, scarcity of eggs; men select for reproductive value, women for survival value; etc.), any woman who is relatively young and thin and not a hideous dog can have her pussy banged by dozens of men with little effort. She can, literally, have a different man for every night, or even arrange a gang bang if so desired.

    The idea of an “alpha female” doesn’t make sense, as Obsidian pointed out.

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  405. Women do not call men “creepy” when they are non-violent….we call them “creepy” when they do something CREEPY. Like murmur “oh my god” when a woman walks by.

    whiskey is right about you: you are a great teaching tool for this website, exhibit A on how women view men. “Oh my God” is only creepy to a woman when it is uttered from the mouth of a (beta) man she’s not attracted to. From a (Alpha) man she is attracted to, it’s a thrill.

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  406. whiskey, Obsidian – you guys are caught in a false dilemma. On one hand white males still dominate the hero role as Obsidian points out, but only exceptional Alphas need apply. On the other hand the average white beta male figure is being brutalized in mass media as whiskey points out. Both of you guys are right.

    While I’m at it: James Bond is a British hero. It wouldn’t make sense for him to be cast as anything but British. He literally would not be the same character with a non-British background.

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  407. chic noir (who said we are no more), aofe Paige

    …and this is why my default is in love with you lol.

    Chic, does this mean it is not completely over? Or does your “no more” comment still stand?

    Can’t a man like both curvy and slim? Must he be stuck liking one type only? Is that it, he makes a choice at age 15 and lives with it for the rest of his life?

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  408. Whiskey,
    You know what, I gotta say it-what you’re saying is Bullshit, Man. I stand in DIRECT contradiction to all you said a Man has to be in order to even get a foot in the door w/a Woman-I’m short, work in the trades (blue collar/prole), etc, et al-yet, I just got finished fucking my brains out over the weekend, again. And gonna do it again next week, where Brown Sugah-a white collar office professional, graduated near the top of her class, has an IQ of 140, is 5’10” and has *never* dated a Man shorter than herself in her entire life before I came along-will take ME out for a night of Asian cuisine at an upscale eatery here in the city. And then I’m gonna fuck her brains out, yet again.

    As a direct-DIRECT-result of The Game & Mystery Method, I not only was able to seduce Brown Sugah but I was able to keep her very much in my orbit, for *six months running now*.

    I was able to do it because I had confidence, was comfortable in my skin, loved what I did for a living and had a positive outlook on life. It also helped that I took an interest in how I look and was well read, too.

    I took the aforementioned books and set aside everything I knew about Women, just to see if what they had to say could indeed land me a Woman, and they delivered. I can confidently tell ANY Man that if they only applied half of what they read in those books, they will be successful. That’s what I did-I ain’t carrying around a Man-Purse full of tricks, painting my fingernails, or wearing eyeliner, wearing feather boas or huge cowboy hats nor do I use canned routine lines. I’m a naturally talkative guy and feel more comfortable going w/the flow than using stuff that doesn’t feel right to me anyway. Instead I focused on the essence of what was being said rather than memorizing what was being said by rote.

    I just don’t buy that the average guy cannot get a Woman interested in him and get laid on the regular (which I define as at least once a week-MOST guys don’t even that). All it takes is some introspection, some care about how he looks (stick to the basics-fresh cut basic good hygiene, stylish but not expensive clothes, good looking shoes), and finally, some Game. You don’t have to be the next Mystery or Style, you simply have to want to do just a weebit better in life than you already are.

    I’ve done it, Whiskey. In real time, right here. If I can do it, who in the hell can’t?

    The Obsidian

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  409. Help Needed

    He guys I need your help here.

    I recently received this communication from a chic I know, it said: “After seeing all your flirting with [other woman] on her blog, you and I are no more.”

    We both post on a well know PUA blog, this communication was made in the comments section. I have been publicly blown off.

    Now I like this chic, while she sometimes *goes for the dramatic* I do enjoy her posts.

    Have I blown it? What should I do? Amused indifference? Call her out on her dramatics? Just lay low and let her come back when she realizes that she misses me?

    Your suggestions please.

    Thanks guys,
    Distraught in Internetland

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  410. on June 15, 2009 at 9:10 am snatch magnet

    There is a saying that goes,”When someone shows you who they are, believe them.” If at this point in the dance she thinks its perfectly ok to disappear with out word of why, she will definitely do it again.
    I think the excuse your friend got was weak. What about that required absolute silence? My friend is in a bad way and needs my help. Gotta go, talk to you Monday. No need for all the details and he knows the deal.
    What she does is set him up to wonder what’s really going on. Unnecessary, if in fact that’s the truth. More likely she was enjoying some no strings out of town porksword in her quest to gain the ‘life experience’ she feels she missed out on in her bygone youth.

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  411. Because you are the classic example of a white woman who hates white BETA guys

    Um, you sound like a fat chick who complains about guys not liking “real women with curves” or an ugly feminist who rants about men being “intimidated by a strong woman.”

    (Unless by “Beta” you simply mean non-thug, but I’m getting the feeling that you and Whiskey use Beta in its accustomed-to here sense of “charmless nerd.”)

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  412. @default the called out flirt

    Males of the Alpha pursuasion who quote get all the poon they want end quote shouldn’t fret (or manly worry) when one woman walks out of their lives intenet or no. PUA arts confirms that even quality chicks will put up with an alpha male who cheats just because he heats her knickers up. Follow the force Luke she’ll be back.

    Signed the ever alpha dude Stan Landers (clears throat to lower voice)

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  413. Someone called Stan Landers replied

    …Follow the force Luke she’ll be back…

    Thanks Stan. I will wait in cool Alpha silence.

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  414. @Cool Default

    Default said “Thanks Stan. I will wait in cool Alpha silence”

    In my advice column I often advise posturing therefore I would recommmend you give her a couple of indifferent or even inflammatory comments lsuch as ” Isn’t aoefe hot?”. In fact I think you need to post a copious amount of aoefe talk, this will draw the otha chic like a moth to a flame.

    The very wise and ever so manly Stan Landers.

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  415. on June 15, 2009 at 10:03 am Lawyer from Hell

    “I just don’t buy that the average guy cannot get a Woman interested in him and get laid on the regular (which I define as at least once a week-MOST guys don’t even that). All it takes is some introspection, some care about how he looks (stick to the basics-fresh cut basic good hygiene, stylish but not expensive clothes, good looking shoes), and finally, some Game. You don’t have to be the next Mystery or Style, you simply have to want to do just a weebit better in life than you already are.

    I’ve done it, Whiskey. In real time, right here. If I can do it, who in the hell can’t?

    The Obsidian”

    BINGO. It is a question of being mired in what you are or seeing the problem and changing. If you stand out enough from the pack, women will notice you.

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  416. Stan Landers advised:

    In my advice column I often advise posturing therefore I would recommmend you give her a couple of indifferent or even inflammatory comments lsuch as ” Isn’t aoefe hot?”. In fact I think you need to post a copious amount of aoefe talk,

    While aoefe is a cutie for sure, I do not want to give her a swelled head. It would be a shame to run cool indifference on on chic but then go all beta suckup on the other.

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  417. on June 15, 2009 at 10:37 am Lawyer from Hell

    “As I watched Star Trek a real question came to mind: could say, Jamie Foxx pull off the lead, doing the same thing as Kirk (cheating on tests, not following orders, running from the cops in a stolen car as a kid, and engaging in bar brawls as a young adult), and actually work, moneywise? I think we al know the answer to that one. Kirk was considered a positive risk taker and an outside the box thinker and it worked, in large part because he was White; if he’d been Black and did the exact same things, he’d be a habitual crimanl, rule breaker and anti-social.”

    More likely they would be calling the movie racist.

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  418. @too smart for his own good Default

    “…a shame to run cool indifference but then go all beta suckup on the other”

    That is one way to view it I suppose. You’ll have to neg one (like calling her cutie!) while acting indiffernt to the other.

    The small headed (wait that doesn’t sound good!) Stan Landers advice columinsit to the PUA”s.

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  419. whiskey is right about you: you are a great teaching tool for this website, exhibit A on how women view men. “Oh my God” is only creepy to a woman when it is uttered from the mouth of a (beta) man she’s not attracted to. From a (Alpha) man she is attracted to, it’s a thrill.

    Actually, an unknown man saying this on the street is creepy; it’s forward and aggressive and therefore has overtones of threat. It may be different in other settings, but strangers on the street? uh uh. (especially the example of a murmur, which implies proximity. Wolf whistles from across the street are at least farther away.)

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  420. @whiskey

    Have you read Norman Mailer’s book about the 1944 uprising in Warsaw?

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  421. More likely they would be calling the movie racist.

    You’re both right. People in general would have called the character a criminal and thug, and libs would have then turned around and called the depiction racist.

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  422. Check out Doug1 backpedaling. Your answer was nothing like Roissy’s answer loser.

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  423. obsidian:

    I just don’t buy that the average guy cannot get a Woman interested in him and get laid on the regular (which I define as at least once a week-MOST guys don’t even that).

    depends on how hot a woman the average guy with game is going for. there are social science studies that show that men are (on average) going to be affected by factors like race or height and even looks and money. as roissy has pointed out, a guy who’s a 5, will not (frequently) get a woman who’s a 9 or above even with game. that outliers like a short style exist who can get supermodels does not invalidate general statistical trends that social science research shows.

    anonymous:

    You are really reaching with that commercial. Both of the guys in your commercial are dumbasses, not just the white guy.

    no, the white guy was clearly made to be more beta and more dumbass than the black guy in the smart bear commercial. again, in interracial casting segments, only beta white guys are portrayed in this way. your fatherhood commercial with an all black cast does not negate this assertion.

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  424. the whole discussion made me remember the pictures of two SS officers I saw in the book, before reading it. I got it right, and I leave others to guess which of the two men below got out of the war just fine, and who got screwed, both of them being monsters even for SS standards. take a look at the two pictures, and just guess.

    http:// westhavelland.antifa.net/Oskar%20Dirlewanger.jpg

    http:// einestages.spiegel.de/hund-images/2008/06/27/92/ab4312575827592fa137ac222939b01f_image_document_large_featured_borderless.jpg

    (notice the spaces after the //)

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  425. Freak,
    Glad you brought that up, because I was just gonna address it:

    As Roissy himself has said as recently as Audacious Epigone’s most recent post the other day, a Man *must* be realistic. If he’s a 5, doing the things I did above will get him consistent 6s, possibly 7s and on a really good day an 8 or three. But he will not be able to pull 9s on the regular, its not gonna happen for him.

    BUT, think about it-MOST 5 guys don’t get laid AT ALL. And if they do, its very infrequent-we’re talking what, every 6 months or something? So, a 5 guy who does what I did, which includes running fundamentally grounded Game, pulling consistent 6s is like Manna from Heaven.

    Seriously, I think a lot of White guys are far too unrealistic-they expect to be able to honestly pull supermodel looking chicks while looking like Jack Black. Just doesn’t work that way in the real world. And part of what it means to be a Man, is knowing the difference betwen what is possible and what is probable.

    I say, that a Man should never date, or fuck, below his paygrade-if you’re say, a 5, your goal is to get nothing but 7s and 6s. If you’re a guy who’s a 6, your goal then is to date nothing but 8s and 7s. And so on.

    Sure, there are the factors we’ve all talked about, and they are real and we should discuss em. But there are also A LOT of Women out there who are deprived of the Good Wood, because *so many guys* out here like going around, looking like slobs, and then getting mad when a Woman doesn’t wanna be bothered. Again, I’ve done it, Freak. Right here, in this forum, I have Field Reports. Search the blog. If I can do it, anyone can.

    Next post, I’ll layout in exact detail, how I did it.

    O

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  426. @default – chic has e-gone-through lots of guys on this board. is she an e-LTR or an e-fling? or just fickle?

    @PA – won’t get into the details of the back and forth, and whiskey did get some facts wrong (Netherlands) – but – with some notable and honorable exceptions – Poland, especially rural Poland, was deepyy antisemitic before and during the war and did indeed assist the occupying Germans with the roundup of Jews for the Holocaust. Not much question about it, unfortunately. That doesn’t negate all the horrible stuff that happened to the Poles at the hands of their occupiers (Katyn, uprising), but there’s no point in denying it.

    @aeofe – you look like Joan? really? post a pic on your blog! i never really e-flirt on here, but maybe i should start…

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  427. OK, so picking up where I left off…

    I started out by taking Roissy’s list of books on Game, and selected what appeared to be the most popular two-The Game, and the Mystery Method. I decided to run an experiment-could methods identified and codified by a bunch of White guys, work for an inner city, blue collar Brotha? I was about to find out.

    I went on Amazon.com and ordered the books-got em both for 20 bucks, used.

    Then I took a weekend and read em both, cover to cover. The info blew me away. MM was the more technical manual, while The Game brought a “human” face, if you will to it. Reading them both was very powerful for me.

    So, after first reading them straight through over the weekend (Dec 2008) I went through em again, this time carefuly analyzing each chapter, then each page, while taking notes in one of those black & white composition books you used back in gradeschool I copped from the dollar store for a buck. Anything that jumped out at me, I immediately wrote it down.

    For example, Mystery gives his six attributes of an Alpha Male in The Game. I wrote em down.

    In the MM, Mystery talks about the average length of time it takes to take a Woman from first meet to your bedroom, aka the Seven Hour Rule. I wrote that down.

    In The Game, Style notes the importance of reading Women’s erotica. I bought up a few books, among them, The Story of O. Another what, 20 bucks, max, from Amazon.com.

    In the MM, Mystery talks about the utmost importance of a Man being discreet. Wrote it down.

    And so it went. Before long, I had a notebook full of notes that I got from a careful re-reading of the books.

    Next, it was time to test out what I’d learned, and because I was trying out new things, and so forth, I got stung quite a few times. But I’m a quick study, and posting Field Reports helped me see what I got right and what I got wrong.

    For example, I went to an after hours mostly Hispanic spot to run Game. This was around New Year’s Eve, and I had spent about $400 on a suit, etc. Very nice, but was total overkil for the place, plus I did everything wrong, wrong, wrong.

    I was pissed.

    So, I went back to the drawing board, reviewed my notebook and went back to the relevant areas of The Game and MM, and came up with the answer:

    Copped some jeans from Target: $25.

    Copped some aviator shades again, from Target: $10.

    Got a nice fitting black military style shirt from the African vendors: $15.

    Hit up Aldo and copped nice black shoes normally running like $90-got em on sale for $25.

    And, remembering what Style and Mystery said about “peacocking” I got a bright red and white keffiyah from the Pakistani Muslim store: $10.

    In my closet sat a black leather jacket that I had bought a year before, but never wore. Got it from Burlington Coat Factory as a birthday gift to myself. Orginal price was $400, a Claiborne soft butter leather fitted short jacket. Sexy as hell. I got it for $200.

    And, I topped it off w/a fresh shave, haircut ($20 including the tip) and after testing out some colognes like it says in The Game, I got some Obsession Muslim oil from the same place I got my keffiyah-another $10 (the actual cologne would have set me back close to $50!)

    I then went right back to the same after hours spot a few nights later, and killed it. Drew mad attention from some hot chicks, had a chance to run some things that I came up with on my own that actually started here on this very blog.

    So, the whole thing, not including my jacket which I bought before, cost me what, a little over a Benjamin, max? And it worked, like a MFer.

    And I simply washed, rinsed, repeated when I pulled Brown Sugah. In fact, she was the first gal I ran the Seven Hour Rule on. I did her in five.

    Again, Freak, Whiskey, any and everybody reading this: most of you guys make way more than I do. Many of you are way taller than me, too. Plus I’m a prole, inner city, and Black. And like I said, eversince Brown Sugah and I met, we’ve been fucking every weekend eversince. And that was back in Jan of this year.

    Roissy asks a very good question: if, after a year of studying and applying Game, all you got out of it was a lot of sex from a gal at least one point above you in attractiveness, would it be worth it? I say emphatically, HELL YEA. Again, most guys, walking around, don’t get laid at all.

    Now, in fairness, yea, I could have gotten over without “Game”. But what I learned from it enhanced my natural abilities and talents-it helped me become a better Man, by becoming a better seducer, a better lover. And a Man who’s confident about his bedside bona fides, is a true sight to behold.

    I’ve done it, fellas. You can too.

    O

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  428. — Poland, especially rural Poland, was deepyy antisemtic

    What the hell does that mean? That they didn’t sit in a circle jerk and sign Kumbayah? I never claimed they did. Like I said, there was no love lost between the two and both groups committed offenses, real and perceived, against each other. It’s called Diversity.

    You know what your comment sounds like? like some goofy European who knows nothing about American complexities but lectures anyway that “you Americans are so racist.”

    — did indeed assist the occupying Germans with the roundup of Jews for the Holocaust.

    Liek I said, there were individual cases of Polish criminals and blackmailers who betrayed Jews to the Germans. There were provoked and unprovoked acts of violence between the two. There were Ukrainian and Latvian mercenaries who worked for the Germans, who had their own reasons. There were patrolman-level Polish and Jewish policemen who worked for the Germans. And so on.

    But you are gonna blood libel a whole nation?

    When I bring up examples of Jewish Communists who assisted the Soviets in rounding up Poles, I make it clear that I am talking about specific types of Jewish people, not a whole nation.

    — That doesn’t negate all the horrible stuff that happened to the Poles at the hands of their occupiers (Katyn, uprising)

    You forgot 4 million ethnic Poles dead or exiled, loss of territory, leveled cities, and fourty years of Communism.

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  429. Stiletto said

    This will be my last comment on this blog.

    lmfao – another chick prances confidently over to the boys Jungle Jim corner of the playground

    gets her pigtails pulled

    and runs off crying 10 seconds later

    btw nice pic, missy

    ===================

    PS – You guys are great: never have i seen so many insightful, intellectual statements simultaneously buried by each other over a weekend of shit.

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  430. @PA – agreed on the facts, and no blood libel intended, of course. I like Poland and Polish people. And there is antisemitism everywhere, and racism of varying and sudry kinds, including in the U.S. but just as it isn’t credible to deny patterns of racist behavior in the U.S. , USSR, Gemany etc. it’s not credible to deny them in Poland either. it isn’t supposed to be the sum total of what the country and its history is about, just one aspect of many.

    ’nuff said – don’t think an extended back-and-forth will achieve anything.

    @obs – great backstory – I’m amazed that you achieved all this in the last six months! i had no idea. it does explain why some of your posts seem to have the fervor of a recent convert.

    how would you describe yourself before that transformative weekend? beta? recovering beta? lesser alpha? always alpha, but without game? would be interseting to know.

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  431. Obsidian, you really must consider having your own blog. You have a lot of value to impart.

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  432. I say, that a Man should never date, or fuck, below his paygrade-if you’re say, a 5, your goal is to get nothing but 7s and 6s. If you’re a guy who’s a 6, your goal then is to date nothing but 8s and 7s. And so on.

    Obsidian,

    I’d agree. But what about the race of the guy? For example, many Chinese and Indian guys might be good looking, earn $200K+, and have other positive traits. But they just belong to the ‘Beta provider’ race, that is unable to pull chicks from other races (and sometimes even from their own!).

    In other words, what about a guy who would be an all-round 8 or 9 if he were white, but instead is Asian?

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  433. O, seriously?

    Abre los Ojos.

    Skittles, er Eminem versus say 10,000 black guys in rap?

    Skittles had to make an entire (bad) movie justifying his rapping by claiming he grew up tough “like black kids.”

    Witness any sitcom. The dumb white father always has a smarter black friend. Only bested in brains by super smart perfect wife.

    Witness any commercial where the black guy is always making the more intelligent choice than the white guy, if the commercial sets up a comparison.

    Witness how 90% of all criminals on cop shows are white males, and how black guys are more often than not “christ figures” in crimes, either wrongly blamed or wrongly victimized.

    Media propaganda, run by left wing Hollywood, is about degrading the white straight male and elevating the black male in comparison. Racism is always the cause of the black man’s failings, and he is always better, smarter, and a better person, or more oppressed than the white man.

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  434. Witness any sitcom. The dumb white father always has a smarter black friend.

    I don’t watch that much TV but on Family Guy Cleveland seems as dumb as Peter. And on My Name is Earl, that black guy seems dumber and more buffoonish than protagonist Earl. In general I agree white men look more buffoonish than black men in sitcoms, but it’s not as ubiquitous as you make out. Plus, it balances out in other ways. For example in a predominantly white movie, who is more likely to go sexless or get killed first, a black character or white character? Usually the black.

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  435. dewd – you’re stating the exception to the rule

    lurky is stating the majority of examples

    in case u forgot: exceptions do NOT prove a rule

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  436. on June 15, 2009 at 1:16 pm Marcus Aureliette

    The Big Wise O:
    Seriously, I think a lot of White guys are far too unrealistic-they expect to be able to honestly pull supermodel looking chicks while looking like Jack Black. Just doesn’t work that way in the real world. And part of what it means to be a Man, is knowing the difference betwen what is possible and what is probable.

    There is a good deal of truth to this. Perhaps some of the alpha vs beta dichotomy is really more of a man vs boy thing.

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  437. Are any of you people out of high school?

    Alpha this, beta that; just grow up and be a person.

    No wonder none of you has a real relationship.

    RAP

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  438. PA

    I agree with you. I’m sick of the misrepresentation of Poles as some uniquely racist, vengeful and anti-Semitic ethnic group. Nazis hated the Poles and most other Slavs but being nearby, it was convenient to go after them first, once the Jews were finished.

    The Poles were acutely aware of what exactly the Bolsheviks were about and that many high up were not ethnically Russian if you catch my drift(including those who held the guns guarding the food from the starving Ukranians.) They watched what happened in the Ukraine and knew it could easily happen to them.

    Poland faced extinction from the east and the west and the allies were not exactly coming to their aid. They chose actions that maybe in hindsight, they wouldn’t have but it isn’t as if they had any good options.

    Gaston

    “a good percentage of people have been raised in single-parent homes due to death from disease, famine, war, etc.

    Many of the accomplishments of civilization arose from people raised in such homes. Thus, while it is regrettable that the two family household is in decline, I do not believe that it will inevitably lead to the decline of civilization.”

    Studies on the outcome of children raised in single parent homes show vast differences in outcome of those losing a parent due to death and disease of a parent verses the choice of one or both parents. Children who have lost a parent turn out about the same as children in stable, two biological parent homes. Not so for children whose mothers sleep around or whose fathers fly the coop.

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  439. in case u forgot: exceptions do NOT prove a rule

    I agree, but I don’t think they’re as isolated exceptions as you’re making out. ESPECIALLY the bit about black guys being most likely to go sexless or die earliest in a predominately white movie. Some more examples, black guy in scrubs doesn’t seem especially smarter than Zack Braff’s character.

    By the way, I agree that white guys tend to look dumber in media than black guys. I just dispute that it’s as ubiquitous as people claim, or that black guys have it that much better. In general, it’s all about women and gays when it comes to who gets best media treatment.

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  440. maurice; Whiskey; PA

    Poland, especially rural Poland, was deepyy antisemitic before and during the war and did indeed assist the occupying Germans with the roundup of Jews for the Holocaust.

    Nothing could excuse the gas ovens, mass gassing chambers, mass deaths by machine guns in front of trenches they’d dug on the early Eastern Front, or other methods of Nazi genocide of Jews in the Holcaust. Nothing. I repeat, nothing.

    However this Jewish line that everywhere the Jews did nothing but stubbornly retain their own religion or at worst perhaps be a bit more successful than other groups, and where hated where they were solely for that reason, is in many places extremely misleading.

    Jews were hated where the were pre and during WWII for two principal reasons. 1) they were seen as highly self regarding ethnocentric capitalistic exploiters of the worst kind unmitigated by a shared morality towards towards non Jews, using sharp bordering on dishonest or actually dishonest practices against unsophisticated outsiders but acting entirely differently with fellow Jews (rapacious and discriminatorily self regarding middlemen); and

    2) they were associated, rightly and accurately, with mass communist and far leftist movements (but although greatly disproportionately represented in such movements and important in the ideas and leadership, they were still a small minority of their bulk).

    I’m not saying these two views particularly the first were entirely accurate as generalizations, much less accurate in all cases or even countries. There was quite a lot of accuracy though in some times and places.

    Read Amy Chu’s World on Fire for example. The Jews had something like 40% of the professorships in Poland despite being only a few percent of the population. They DID use an ethnocentric sense of superiority and solidarity all the time to sustain their early commanding heights in Poland’s “upper middle class” and parts of it’s lower upper class, extending back to the middle ages. When you’re a near majority on the hiring committee …

    In rural areas Jews were historically and continuingly “tax farmers” and tax collectors for the Polish nobility and royal house. That mean they bid or paid off their way to the position and then squeezed as much as they possibly could from the peasantry and other non Jewish merchants in Polish rural areas. Further as money lenders or goldsmiths and international merchants Jews were known for sharp or dishonest practices towards the less sophisticated peasantry or struggling Polish lower middle classes while dealing honestly and scrupulously amongst their own.

    In sum in rural Poland especially Jews were often the very face of capitalist oppression encroaching on traditional and religious morality mediated society with their own morality reserved only or largely for other Jews, with an enormous sense of superiority. That might be justified it could be argued in modern capitalist terms in some ways, but not at all morally to rural Poles. All those Polish jokes that remain at least an echo within our society? This about the non Jewish people of a country that scores at the high side of European IQ, sometimes the very high side? They’re entirely of Jewish origin, from the “borsht belt” in the United States, imported from Jews in Poland. That may give a tiny flavor.

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  441. Maurice, Tood,
    Thanks to you both, fellas. Means a lot.

    The way I approached this project, was as if I was Jason Bourne-I had the talent, but I was kind of “reverse engineering” myself, if you know what I mean-as we all know, on average, Brothas tend to have the best Game-but it comes w/a caveat:

    They often don’t have a conscious awareness of what they’re doing, and most importantly, WHY.

    This, I learned, was the key and major difference between natural-born Alphas, and “unnatural”, self-made, if you will, Alphas-the latter guys knew all the nuts and bolts. I wanted to be one of those guys.

    Now, I’ve done fairly well w/the ladies, and as I would learn, I had actually done quite a few things I had come accross in my studies on Game, and didn’t know it. For example, I once did a Seven Hour Rule thing to a gal and didn’t know it. Game helped me understand WHY Women are attracted or turned off by certain things, and how almost any guy can push the right buttons.

    One of the things about most Brothas though, is that you can’t tell them anything-its their fear of not knowing something, combined w/the general disinclination of Men not to discuss these matters, that really trips a lot of Men, Black included, when it comes to Women.

    Excellent example: the Proximity Alert System. The vast majority of Brothas do NOT know what this is, and as a result, loose out on some serious Poon. Women, even Black ones, are a lot more body language and non-verbal cue oriented than we guys are. Being a good reader of body language will tell you if a Woman’s interested or not, regardless of what she’s saying.

    So, I guess if I had to rank myself, I’d probably be a high functioning Beta, lol. I’ve always been a curious, resourceful and creative dude who can usually improvise on the spot and take advantage of opportunities if and when they arise. And I’ve always been interested in human behavior, and why we do what we do, especially along sexual lines. Like Style, I too wanted to be the guy who delivered the Good Wood consistently, and always prided myself on “repeat business”-unlike some brothers in the Game who kind of like the one night stand, I prefer going what I call Long and Deep on a Woman. Now I’ve always been that way, but this time, I deliberately did it w/the aid of Game, and knew consciously WHY.

    What I give a lot of these guys credit for, and this includes Roissy himself, is that they take a lot of the guesswork out of how to meet Women and get them in your bed. Again, using Brothas in general as an example, many of them know how to make the highlight reel, but don’t know how to defend, shoot freethrows, or know basic plays like the pick and roll-which explains why, once that spring in their step is gone, so are their NBA careers. On the other hand, a smart baller, like Michael Jordan, can have such a long career because he understood the Game itself, beyond just the physical, raw atheletic level. He understood the fundamentals, how and why plays developed or broke down on the court, and so on.
    In both the NBA, and among Brothas, there are many Men who can get by on sheer atheleticism/animal magnetism alone. I want to be like Jordan.

    So, I learned a great deal in the relatively short time I studied Game. I learned a heck of a lot about Women. But most importantly, I learned even more about myself.

    Tood-

    I’m fairly familiar w/Indian culture and society, and let me tell you, the big problem most Indian IT guys have, is they lack Game. They need to kick their career stuff to the curb, that doesn’t make a Bibi’s nether regions damp. They need to get the Mogul Mojo back. I said it before and I’ll say it again: being a good, nice guy w/a good job, is not enough-you have to incite lust in a Woman, for you, or, what they call in the Game, raise her buying temprature. Most of these Indian dudes look like the Indian equivalent of country bumpkins. They need to learn how to dress, how to project themselves w/sexual overtones, and how to interact w/Women. Matador is a good place to start for a lot of Indian dudes, but I’d still say they need to study Mystery and Style.

    And thanks again for the very kind words. Good lookin’.

    The Obsidian

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  442. Joe, you’re merely agreeing to the black-man-as-christ-figure trope.

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  443. Joe, you’re merely agreeing to the black-man-as-christ-figure trope.

    Wrong.

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  444. Joe

    Some more examples, black guy in scrubs doesn’t seem especially smarter than Zack Braff’s character.

    Isn’t that a Hollywood wonder, since real word the average of the two populations is two standard deviations apart, almost, on verbal IQ.

    The representation of an abundance of brilliant, at or near the top of the heap doctors on Hollywood doctor shows is WILDLY misrepresentative of the medical world reality.

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  445. Isn’t that a Hollywood wonder, since real word the average of the two populations is two standard deviations apart, almost, on verbal IQ.

    The average black US medical resident and the average white US medical resident are two standards deviations apart on verbal IQ? Do you have a link to prove this? I’ve never heard this.

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  446. Obsidian,

    Agreed on all points regarding Indians. The problem is, it is much harder for an Indian or Chinese man to *learn* Game – a much higher, steeper mountain to climb. Their upbringing, high-school/college immersion, and cultural indoctrination are entirely around the ‘polite Beta provider’ model, and so they don’t get the experience that white or black people get in high school or college. A lot of INTJ personality types. Every film ends with marriage as the natural conclusion – a disney movie, effectively. There is no concept of a ‘cad’ or ‘player’.

    The effort it took me to get to Moderate Game (which I described, and which I still have ups and downs in) would elevate a white or black person to Advanced Game. That is why I consider Matador and Kamal has having fought a much tougher battle than Mystery, Strauss, J-Dog, etc. The Indians come from a culture where the parents and community don’t even think a man *should* date before marriage (unlike Western cultures, where Game enhances what a man is already expected to do anyway).

    My father is the biggest Beta provider ever, as are all men of his generation. He gets angry with me if I even mention the fact that modern divorce laws are unfavorable to women, and that women abuse the situation. He is quick to retort that “women were abused a lot in the past so this is fair now”, thinking this makes him some sort of hero who defends women. He has had a moderately happy marriage to my mother for 37 years and counting, but a large part of this is because a) being a Beta provider was the only factor in their generation, b) neither had any pre-marital dating at all in their time, and c) expectations were kept low by society.

    In the modern era in the US, he would probably die with little or no female interaction.

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  447. Obsidian,

    A blog, man. You must. This is because :

    1) You are already writing article-length comments. So it actually is not additional effort. The first 50 articles could merely be digging up and polishing/article-izing comments you have already placed here.

    Articles certainly don’t have to be daily.

    2) Many comments are good enough to refer back to over time, but that is impossible to do when it is buried under a 500-comment thread, of which 50 are produced in 2 months. There is no way to get the ‘Obsidian archives’ within comments on Roissy’s in DC.

    3) You can steer discussion into what you want, gain the respect, mentor whoever you choose to mentor, start a coaching practice for big bucks, etc. The sky is the limit.

    Feministx, xsplat, Bhetti, etc. all have crappy blogs. Yours would be much better, as it would merely be a re-org of what you are writing already. You are the only person here I would encourage to do it.

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  448. are unfavorable to women

    CORRECTION : Unfavorable to MEN.

    -whew-

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  449. Joe–

    The average black US medical resident and the average white US medical resident are two standards deviations apart on verbal IQ?

    The white doctor you referred to who’s the star and creator of the show is in fact, and looks unmistakably, Jewish. The black and Jewish populations in the US are almost 2 standard deviations apart in IQ.

    Affirmative action applies to medical students and doctors as well as most other places in America today. It is not a subtle effect. Passing mimimum standards after perhaps several attempts is not the same as being amongst the top performers in an area and winning a medical spot on that basis.

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  450. The black and Jewish populations in the US are almost 2 standard deviations apart in IQ.

    That I know. But those stats don’t mean that a Jewish medical resident and a black medical resident are two standard deviations apart in verbal IQ. A black doctor is hardly representative of the average black. You really think a black medical resident is on par with a ghetto or working class black, even taking affirmative action into account?

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  451. Oh my God!

    What more is there to say, really?

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  452. Tood,
    Very good points, and I would highly urge you and other Asian Men to seekout the Asian PUAs like Matador and Papa, etc. But in the meantime I’m most happy to offer my own comments.

    One big problem that plagues Indian society in general is that it still lingers under Victorian British sensibilities, and we all know what that means in sexual terms. Put that together with the fact that Indian Women are no different than any other 21st Woman in the world, and you have a situation where a lot of Indian and Chinese/Korean guys simply are left in the dark about thee most important area of their lives.

    But actually, India has a very rich erotic history; one of the books I studied during my “Game School” time, was the Kama Sutra, literally, the Science (some say “Art”) of Love. It is a POWERFUL book, that came along before Christ, and tells exactly what to do to woo a gal into your bed. In fact, I use the Kama Sutra in my seductions, right down to the post-festivity dining on sherbert.

    So, I suggest not even discussing these matters w/your dad or such Men in general. They cannot help you in the modern world in which you live.

    Instead, I’d study the erotic history or ancient India, the Kama Sutra and related things (Lord Shiva rivals Zeus in terms of his carnal exploits, lol) and take it from there. I’d also focus on getting the *basics* of Game down-being more outgoing, smiling more, connecting w/people more *touching people more*, looking nice, smelling good, etc. These are things every guy can do, they cost very little, and you’d be surprised the difference they can make.

    Plus, thanks to more media exposure of Indian guys these days, you and other such guys have an easier go of it in terms of dating both Indian and non-Indian Women. At the end of the day, ALL Women are attracted to the same things in a Man: confidence, social proof and dominance, an air of confidence/competence, a sense of humor, a winning personality, someone who dresses nice, etc. ALL Women LOVE being seduced-notice how Women’s erotica/romance novels are selling like mad. And that’s what its all about, how a Man seduces a Woman, which is actually as important, in some ways moreso, than the actual act of sex for Women. Most Men are NOT seducers, and most don’t know the first thing about it.

    As for my own blog, again, thanks so much. I’ve been giving that, along w/some other things, some deep thought lately, and if all goes well, I just might do that this Fall. Keep your fingers crossed.

    May I ask-how’d you learn of Game, and how did you get “moderately competent” in it?

    O

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  453. Joe–

    But those stats don’t mean that a Jewish medical resident and a black medical resident are two standard deviations apart in verbal IQ.

    They don’t one way or another. It’s unlikely though that the spread is as large in the general population because there is a floor in the form of med school admissions, though considerably relaxed for blacks and other NAMs through AA, and medical board exams, though those are minimum rather than optimum qualifications.

    You really think a black medical resident is on par with a ghetto or working class black, even taking affirmative action into account?

    No. (Though the ghetto or working class black only makes up part of the black average IQ; it’s all in there including the black doctors.)

    Now, do you really think a black medical resident is remotely likely to be truly on a par with a Jewish one in the same residency program?

    Given that is both extensive affirmative action that is necessary to get any decent native black American representation in medical specialties at all, and that the disparity between the races and some ethnicities widens rather than narrows at the tails, such that the percentage of blacks who are at the very, very smart bordering on brilliant level, say 145 IQ to keep things simple, is VASTLY smaller than the percentage of Jews and to a somewhat lesser extent other whites who are (depending a bit on their ethnicity if we’re speaking group wise)?

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  454. is as large as in the general population

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  455. Lord Shiva is worshipped through a penis, called linga. Lord Shiva is alpha

    the rpoblem with hindu gods is that they lead alpha lifes, alpha attitudes, but are always represented with assexual, androginous faces.

    I had just returned from India, and there was an India-themed meeting in college, and the symbol for the meeting was Shiva dancing inside the ring of fire, supposedly the very appex of masculinity and male power.

    A girl stops besides me, knowing that I had just returned from India, and asks candidly : “who is she?”

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  456. Doug, Joe,
    Not to butt in, but as a working class Brotha, I’ve rubbed elbows w/quite a few Black doctors, and had quite a nice time w/them. Most of them tend to have their own practices or work in smaller clinics, which accounts in part for why you don’t see them in hospitals as much.

    But I really don’t have a problem one way or the other if they appear on tv and in movies or not. Never was something I gave much thought to.

    As for the IQ issue, Doug, do I take it correctly that you view the idea of Black American average IQ as being correct? If so, on the basis of what you’ve seen here on this blog, where would you rate say, me, Dave Alex’s, or Kamal’s IQ? Just very curious.

    O

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  457. @obs – I second Tood. you are a natural blogger and would over time attract a loyal and diverse readership.

    @doug on jews in Poland – good points, rarely articulated.

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  458. May I ask-how’d you learn of Game, and how did you get “moderately competent” in it?

    Well, I first stumbled upon Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction. The thing about his material, however, is that it gets a woman horny in a very short time. What Ross Jeffries failed to discover, however, is that if this is done too soon (at the first meeting in a coffee shop), the woman WILL flake on you. This type of amping of states should only be done when you already have her alone at her place or yours.

    Thus, Speed Seduction is a very incomplete solution, but a mile deep when you already are with her alone (the ‘Seduce’ stage of Mystery Method). If you are not yet using the seductive type of NLP in the specific later stages of your Game, look into it. It moves her horniness along fast, through quasi-hypnosis. Great fun, too. It has no use when you still have the woman in a public place, however.

    Living in the Bay Area, they have a very good lair here, and I know many of the greats. Papa, who is from here, actually has no Game. He just does approaches, which impresses novices, but he rarely pulls anyone. He is NOT a comprehensive PUA.

    But there are a lot of other big-time people here too. Pickup101, etc. J-Dog lived here for a number of years. Matador too.

    Hence, I am very good at the latter stages of Game, and have a vast warchest of palmreading, stories, poems, games, NLP patterns, etc. I have enough room in my place for our own Salsa dancing. I know all the avenues for Kino escalation and busting LMR.

    But I am still bad at the early part : Initial approaches, bridging to a first meeting, etc.

    Hence, my conversion rate for women I get past the early stages is very high (over 70%), but the quantity of opportunities I am creating is still subpar, due to poor confidence about initial approaches. This is despite never really having had a bad experience in approaches. I am 6’3″, and a 7.8 in looks based on amihotornot. I have an Ivy-league education and high-paying job at a young age.

    My deep-seated Indian programming troubles my ability to do approaches, however. Even after I have a good day doing them, it is hard to continue the next day. I have worked with wingmen, etc. But I still can’t retain the momentum.

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  459. gig,

    The Shivlinga is NOT a penis. It just happens to be bullet-shaped. That ‘penis’ myth was created by hippie SWPLs.

    It is NOT a penis. Even some US-born Indian-Americans get duped into this. But it is factually wrong.

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  460. Oh, and going back to our earlier Black Bond discussion…

    First off, Black folk have been subjects of the British Crown for HUNDREDS of years. Jamaica, many parts of Africa, anyone? There have been Black folk living in the UK for decades, in fact, the actor who played Stringer Bell in the HBO hit series The Wire is a Black Brit. So, again, it can work, especially in a time when the realworld intelligence agencies of the West lack the brown and black “spooks” on the ground where the action is in the world today, which is for all intents, the Islamic World, a huge chunk of it being Black.

    In fact, I’d make a strong case for Sidney Poitier, in his younger days of course, being a damn good Bond, although he’s American and not British born. Take a look at To Sir, With Love, or In The Heat Of The Night, just to name a few.
    And for those of you out there who want to play the purist role wrt Bond, then not only did you think that Craig was a whacked choice to portray Bond, but the last movie, Quantum Of Solace, you also thought was whacked, since it A, was completely made up of wholecloth and was never an actual a Fleming story (they only used the title, which was indeed a short story by Fleming) and B, had nothing to do w/Casino Royale (the two movies were presented in a way that it was a “part 1 & 2”, hence the “eye” being shown in the beginning of CR and at the end of QOS).

    And, QOS was “ok”-not totally bad, but I had to watch it three times because it put me to sleep the first two. It needs more than a tweak here or there; it needs to be in step w/the times, and it is NOT.

    Now, earlier I spoke about how Denzel routinely gets parts that were meant for White actors, and those movies go on to do very well at the box office (Pelican Brief and The Crimson Tide being examples)?

    Well lookee here-last week’s opening of The Taking Of Pelham 123 stars Denzel in the part that Walter Mathaau had in the original a generation ago-and as we all know, he’s very White, and very Jewish. Denzel changed the role from being a cop to a guy working in the hub of the train station and the story goes from there. It opened #3 bringing in a respectable 25MIL.

    So yea, a Black Bond could most definitely work.

    Any questions?

    O

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  461. Plus, thanks to more media exposure of Indian guys these days, you and other such guys have an easier go of it in terms of dating both Indian and non-Indian Women

    Perhaps. But this is *just* in the last 2-3 years. Makes me wish I was born 5 years later – it would have made a big difference. But the future is certainly bright.

    However, I don’t see Chinese men benefitting from the same, for some reason.

    How many groups can say that being born just 5 (or fewer) years earlier or later can make a total difference in how society treats them?

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  462. Now, do you really think a black medical resident is remotely likely to be truly on a par with a Jewish one in the same residency program?

    No, I never claimed they would be on par. An affirmative action hire on average will be of lower qualifications, no doubt. I’m a realist.

    I just severely doubt they’d have that same 2 standards of deviation of difference in verbal IQ you mention that you would find when examing the general population of Jews and Blacks. I think expecting a black doctor to be portrayed as so blatantly verbally and intellectually inferior to a white doctor based on those general population stats is not a reliable jump in logic. Maybe there’d be a verbal and IQ difference between the two, but not 2 standards of deviation you get when there lots of uneducated working class and ghetto folks dragging down the black average.

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  463. I seriously do not understand how anything I said shows me having a preference to Black men (btw Chic you were right, I shouldn’t have mentioned that I think a guy I dated once was half Black because Whiskey IS clinging to it…I’ll listen next time.) So because out of ALL white men I have dated, the fact that when I was a teenager and dated a half black guy, now I hate White Men???? Where are you getting this?

    Can you be this dense?

    You have a preference for Alpha thugs. Their skin color is immaterial. Whiskey discusses black culture merely because black men were forced to thug it up sooner than the rest to get women who, like you, now select for thrilling thugs where their grandmothers selected for husbands and fathers. If women like you selected for hard working, faithful men who would work at marriage till death do you part, then society would be full of men competing to prove how hard working and faithful they were. And full of stable, nuclear families raising children into reasonably functional adults. Male behavior is shaped by female choice in the sexual marketplace. Since female choice is currently in the gutter, men are gathering there.

    and when I got older and lived in the city, I didn’t exactly identify with the thugs (or try to).

    Yet you happily spread your legs and let a worthless to society thug fuck you raw, spilling his seed into your body, producing yet another illegitimate child to burden society with his fucked up view of family and his social issues from lacking a real daddy. A boy who, may I remind you, will either have to thug it up himself to get women, sex, and love, or accept a lonely beta lifestyle slaving away in a cubicle farm somewhere. Your son is going to have to deal with the mating choices of women like you and since he will likely end up a beta (especially with no dad around), he is going to be held in contempt and used by women just like his mommy.

    Do you get it yet?

    Also, who dated a thug? I have never dated a thug of ANY color and never would. I don’t find “ghetto flash” on ANY man attractive. Ever.

    Since when did tattoos, DUIs, and shoving count as high glass gentleman like behavior? What does a man have to do to be a thug in your eyes, knock off a 7-11, kill a cop, and only THEN shove you around?

    The funny thing is you often defend yourself saying that he wasn’t “really like that” (drinking, shoving, DUI) until you were with him for a while and got pregnant. In the past women thought it was very important to know a man’s history and family before taking his cum into their bodies. They even had this quaint notion about getting married before doing things that could produce offspring. They were so funny that way. Modern women, like you, just spread for any guy who turns them on, history, family, class, and prospects for a stable marriage and home be damned.

    And you wonder why your dense little self is held up as an example to the rest of us of what’s wrong with modern American women and culture?

    Like I said, for a man it’s a great time to be alive if all you want is pussy. One of the worst times if you actually want a family.

    Don’t put me in with those bullshit hardcore Lefties who love Obama, because I’m not one of them. I don’t hate him because he’s Black, I hate him because he’s an idiot.

    To my great surprise, we actually agree on something. In Obama’s defense, 95% of capital hill is staffed by idiots.

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  464. Tood,
    OK, thanks for the info. Gives us a good place to start.

    I think a good thing to keep in mind is the importance of Peacocking, and, the importance of being like a magnet. You have to turn around the dynamic.

    Women are used to being approached, particularly the upper echelon Women that, based on where you rank in attractiveness, is where you should be headed. 8s and 9s get LOTS of guys hitting on them. So, turn it around: make them come to you.

    How? By being the most prettiest, sexiest, most interesting person in the room, Male or Female. This is where Peacocking becomes key. Now, by that I don’t mean wearing completely outrageous stuff, but, it DOES mean that you have to take what other guys in the places you go to do and crank it up a notch or two.

    Once you give me an idea of you dress when you go out I might be able to suggest some things. But the idea is to accessorize as much as possible-those are conversation starters, or at the very least, attention grabbers, and Women LOVE Men who pay attention to the little things. Also, you’ll want to be very aware of the PAS, because when you doing this the way I do it, which is to put the focus on myself and them in the position of either approaching me, or just wanting to be near me, you have to know when they’re near them so you can open them somehow.

    So, that’s how I like to do it, stand out from the crowd in a dramatic way, have more interesting things to say, make them want to be near me, and we’re off to the races. Actually in many ways, its a role reversal-when it comes time for a date, she pays. Or she travels a distance to see me. See what I’m saying here?-shes the one who has to prove to me why she’s worthy of my time, and besides, hot gals like the 8s and 9s tend to like to play games (flake); I need to know they’re serious. Doing things like this confirms for me their interest.

    I could go on but hopefully you’ll get the idea. The hotter the gal, the less likely I am to approach her. Instead, I either make her approach me-or I make her feel really sad she didn’t (buy grabbing up another one).

    O

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  465. ugh. you mean chic got knocked up by a gangsta thug?

    i think i’m in luv

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  466. Again on the Jews thing. If I were living in Nazi Germany and I had basically the choice to hate jews and live or to not hate jews and die just like they did, guess what….I’d kill some jews. It’s called survival.

    While I appreciate your honesty, that speaks volumes as to the type of human being you are. None of it good.

    They didn’t have a choice…

    You always have a choice.

    German men and women joined the Nazi Army to protect their families from slaughter… not because they were “evil” as Nazi’s are always portrayed.

    The excuse of survival does not absolve anyone of the crime of assisting in the slaughter of innocent human beings. Sorry.

    There is tremendous evidence of a general hatred among the German people for the Jews before and during the war. Obviously some Germans didn’t fit this, but the culture was toxic. The German people were not ignorant nor innocent of their nation’s crimes. That said survival is a bullshit argument even if they didn’t “really hate” the Jews. Reminds me of the point of an episode of the new BSG before the show went to shit: surviving isn’t enough. You have to be worthy of survival.

    You’d have done the same thing….it’s wasn’t a Democracy. Hate the Jews or watch your family die….hmmm not a tough choice for the average German citizen.

    No, I would not have done the same thing. And no one in my family would have wanted me to. If I did the same thing before them they would hate me for it, I would destroy myself in their eyes. If my father were alive he would say that he would rather shoot me himself than watch me kill an innocent human for ‘survival’. They would have me choose death for myself and for them before participating in such events.

    History remembers and honors the few German families who had the courage to not do the same thing. Those were better people than you could imagine being LR.

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  467. On a side note: A little FYI…when I was working with my “journeyman” (mentor in Machining) he’d tell me stories of old shops and such (he was really really old) where he had frequently worked on contracts for the Ovens. It wasn’t some big secret and I’m pretty sure that I can’t mention it here, but we STILL do ALOT of work for this very famous company. They didn’t receive any punishments for saying “Sure we’ll make the human-burning ovens for ya! No problem!” So why are the Nazi drudges any different?

    Assuming this is true (scuds!), the companies are not different and their employees should have been punished at that time. (Companies out live people and there’s not much point in punishing workers today who, on average, weren’t even born.) And if he knew the purpose at the time, he was a piece of shit for doing the work. And I would have told him as much to his face.

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  468. @Maurice- I’ve had 2 e-boy friends on this blog, Chris and Default. Whiskey didn’t give me the time of day.

    MU They need to get the Mogul Mojo back. I said it before and I’ll say it again: being a good, nice guy w/a good job, is not enough-you have to incite lust in a Woman, for you, or, what they call in the Game, raise her buying temprature.
    I agree but the men here don’t want to believe this. There is a reason the douche bag type of guy does so well with women. You think lilgrl’s boyfriend could get away with pulling her by the hair if he looked like Jack Black.

    Most of these Indian dudes look like the Indian equivalent of country bumpkins. From what I’ve seen the style of dress isn’t up to par but they are naturally very good looking men.

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  469. on June 15, 2009 at 5:41 pm Willard Libby

    My link above timed out but I just typed in Philadelphia as the city then found DENNIS BERNARD POLLARD.

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  470. DT

    Again on the Jews thing. If I were living in Nazi Germany and I had basically the choice to hate jews and live or to not hate jews and die just like they did, guess what….I’d kill some jews. It’s called survival.

    today, it’s called Bernie Madoff

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  471. on June 15, 2009 at 5:55 pm GNPs are for Apes

    So yea, a Black Bond could most definitely work.

    Wasn’t ‘Undercover Brother’ a movie along those lines, even if it was a comedy?

    A black protagonist in a spy/crime drama could work (shaft was around 35 years ago). But Bond is British. White British. It is part of his biography.

    They made Green Lantern black. That is sufficient.

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  472. M’Lady insists single motherhood, at least her version, is no problem for the society at large. Here is a link regarding that:

    http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=706&sid=1696018

    Notice that they are looking for ways to help single mothers more. That’s means of course betas paying more taxes.

    Naturally, not mentioned is the higher rate of social problems in the children of these single mothers. When you consider what it costs for the extra police/legal/incarceration activity for the young men of single mothers, the cost betas pay is huge.

    The neighborhood must absorb the anti-social behavior of these kids, too.

    Well, I see Roissy has started yet another thread about feminine beauty.

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  473. Apeman,
    Yea, I actually liked UB, too, because I’m a bit of an Eddie Griffin fan and I liked Denise Richards and Beyonce’ too.

    As for a Black Bond, again I made the point-Black Brits are as every bit British as the White Brits, as Black Americans are as American as White Americans. Period. In fact, if I recall alright, there was a British Brotha who was Knighted for his valour in the Iraq War. So again, it can work. Think outside the box.

    Oh, and there’s a Black Nick Fury (portrayed by Samuel L Jackson in the post-credits seen in Iron Man) and, a Black Captain America. Personally, I like the former choice better.

    Common was supposed to portray Green Latern too in a proposed Justice League flick. Whether it’ll happen remains to be seen.

    O

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  474. on June 15, 2009 at 7:11 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Bond is white British. A black Brit cannot be bond, nor can a white American from Georgia, or a white Frenchman.

    Bond has to be white British, and nothing else. Felix Leiter was already shown to be black, twice in fact (the first being in 1983), as you know.

    Green Lantern can be black. Bond cannot. Superman cannot (from rural Kansas). Batman – possibly. Spiderman – possibly.

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  475. Once again your whole post about who I supposedly date is wrong and I don’t know where you get your info.

    No, your view of the world is so fucked up that you can’t recognize trash for being trash.

    I dated ONE white guy who DID work all the time, was intelligent, but he had a drinking problem, no criminal record other than the DUI.

    “…but he had a drinking problem…DUI.” There was a time in America when a drinking problem would have dramatically lowered a man’s value and nearly locked him out of the sex/marriage marketplace (they were much closer to being the same back then) except for women of low class.

    Oh yes, and you left him for physical abuse, after which point you discovered (a little late) that he had a history of it.

    What are you talking about with sleeping with a guy I don’t know? Sure I thought I knew him….

    Did you even read this before posting it? You questioned me for stating that you slept with a man you didn’t know, then admitted to not knowing him. Without even one intervening sentence. That’s some impressive mental masturbation there.

    Do you have any conception what courtship was like in the past? It was in large part a time when a woman and her family could investigate a man and evaluate his behavior before he got the chance to cum in the woman’s pussy.

    I lived with him for a year before I got pregnant…he wasn’t a “stranger” so wtf are you talking about.

    You either did or did not know he was abusive, a drunk, and would keep getting DUIs when you let yourself get pregnant. If you did not know, it proves my point. If you did, it does an even better job of proving my point. Either way the problem traces back to poor female selection in the sexual marketplace, thanks to the lies of feminism, and the repercussions of these choices on society.

    I don’t know where you get your information but at no point did I ever say I liked white OR black men who are “thuggish”

    What you are having such a difficult time grasping is that your grandmother’s generation would have considered baby daddy low class trash, and a thug for his history of abuse. And they would have shamed you for your choices choosing him, choosing to live with him, choosing to have a baby with him when there was no marriage, choosing to cut off all ties once a child was in the picture without at least a serious effort at reform.

    You don’t consider him to have been trashy or a thug, and you don’t see a problem with your life choices. That’s why you’re held up as an example of what’s wrong with American women.

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  476. Joe

    I just severely doubt they’d have that same 2 standards of deviation of difference in verbal IQ you mention that you would find when examing the general population of Jews and Blacks.

    I in turn didn’t claim that either. There could be some cases of that (115 vs 145, or 120 vs 150) but that would be unlikely to be the average case of black vs. Jewish doctors.

    However my point was and remains that the representation on virtually every US doctor show, of which there are many, of black doctors being at the top of the heap or very much in that running, and that being the ordinary expected thing and they’re sometimes being quite proportionately plentiful at such levels (e.g. ER) is a wild distortion of the reality for entirely social propaganda purposes.

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  477. on June 15, 2009 at 7:25 pm GNPs are for Apes

    thing and they’re sometimes being quite proportionately plentiful at such levels (e.g. ER) is a wild distortion of the reality for entirely social propaganda purposes.

    Too true. There are far more Asian doctors than black ones, despite the much smaller Asian population.

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  478. Roundup

    [email protected]
    So, what happened to your fashion blog? I tried to click on it but it was gone. You should put it back up.

    This is why you are so bothered by the existence of David Alexander.

    David’s existence does not bother me, he seems like a likable affable dude, albeit riddled with sublimated self-loathing.

    The act of making one’s Self into a eunuch inspires reflexive disgust in most men. Can I be faulted for this? It’s like watching someone stick their hand in a meat grinder, could you avoid flinching?

    As for diluting the brand, you presuppose the brand has much value undiluted. What population of men want to be defined by insecurity, doubt, and a fear of their testicles?

    Thought so..

    [email protected]
    I have an old friend from Argentina. She once admitted to me that she pleasantly enjoyed men cat-calling on the street. She pretends to be bitchy to them, but admits deep inside she’s flattered by them and she’s always failed to comprehend why American women get so threatened by cat calls and other examples of public forward sexual propositions.

    I’ve heard sentiments from other foreign, mostly southern European, friends. I suspect in America some class distinctions. With urban, lower class women probably finding the matter more overtly flattering. And women further up the class pole finding the whole matter repellent objectifying and threatening. This is a casual observation.

    In any case you seem to assume that what you see as creepy is shared by women in general. In my experience, in some cases, this is so.

    In many other cases it isn’t. You are rather atypical as far as women go. That’s not an insult, but from your statements online you’re pretty weird as far as chicks go. Weird is not bad, but it is weird, atypical, strange.

    I mean, you hate cooking.

    And that’s kinda weird.

    Also your lack of overt emotionalism – or rather your self perception of lacking emotionalism (you’re still pretty emotional, just not as much as most, and you just sublimate the rest. It leaks out in your writing though) is also something atypical of most women.

    Also your preference for tattooed men. Which isn’t weird, but it’s atypical for suburban bred women who are educated past high school. All of the girls I know who get hot for tattoos are working class gals. Not something I see admitted by the suburban ones, except in this younger generation (suburban wealthy hipster gals who like to pretend they are of marginal origins tend go apeshit for all manners of ink.. perhaps because they are posers.. )

    Also there is no need to get defensive regarding your lack of preferences for Black men. There is indeed nothing wrong with this, everyone has their own preferences and types.

    For example, women who don’t cook are a distinct turn off.

    Almost as much of a turn off as obviously fake tits.

    Everyone has their preferences.

    “I tend to attract more Alpha types anyway because their thought pattern is somewhere around where mine is.”

    I think this is sort of Whiskey’s point.

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  479. Chic,
    Yea. And in many ways, its understandable-being angry is the path of least resistance. Harder to face facts and get about the hard work of making changes. I’ve been there, most Men have. But we need to be clear, and this is something I always bring up to Dave Alex: you do have a choice. You can choose to remain as you are, living in essence a fate worse than death; or you can choose to change. Many Men, in this case a lot of White Men, simply refuse to change, both themselves and what they can reasonably expect.

    You know, I read a lot of the views and opinions of the many White guys here, and I chuckle and then frown at them. I say that because Style never had such an approach in his book The Game-and he can most certainly pick and choose what kind of Women he can be with. I just think a lot of these guys are being entirely too unrealistic on one hand, while on the other justifying why they can’t be better Men. And the whole thing comes off as immature, angry, bitter and quite frankly, infantile.

    I don’t anyone here, w/the possible exception of Eurosabra, who’s handicapped, has had a rawer deal than me. And yet, on a shoe string, a bit of study and a desire to want more out of life, I’m now a whole lot happier today than I was just one year ago. That to me, is worth more than its weight in gold.

    Like I said earlier, if you’re a 5 guy and after studying a bit of Game you wind up w/a 6, YOU’VE WON-because a year ago, chances are very high you weren’t getting that. And I can promise you, the vast majority of 5 and 6 guys aren’t getting laid regularly. In fact, most single guys, regardless of where they land on the attractiveness scale, don’t get laid regularly, which again by my metric means, at least once a week, or four times a month. Most guys are lucky to get laid 12 times a year. That’s right, once a month.

    So yea, these guys on here have got to get a grip on reality. Game is not a magic bullet or a panacea. But it remains a powerful tool in aiding Men in the most important area of their lives. If a Man approaches it with the right attitude, and honest view of himself, and is willing to make some changes, he can and WILL be successful.

    O

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  480. on June 15, 2009 at 7:36 pm Willard Libby

    GNPs are for Apes – Bond is white British. A black Brit cannot be bond, nor can a white American from Georgia, or a white Frenchman.

    Are there any traditional black movie/comic book characters we can all desperately hunger to be portrayed by a White actor?

    GNPs are for Apes – Too true. There are far more Asian doctors than black ones, despite the much smaller Asian population.

    If TV came anywhere close to matching reality then Asian/East Indian and Jewish doctors would be what, 70% of the doctors on these shows. The other 27% White Gentile and maybe 3% black.

    It’s best to avoid pop culture as much as possible. It’s inferior, dishonest garbage aimed at idiots and cowards.

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  481. Obsidian

    As for a Black Bond, again I made the point-Black Brits are as every bit British as the White Brits,

    True, but the character James Bond was most certainly white. The very British and very white (Sir) Ian Fleming created the character (partly modeled on himself).

    White British bon vivant Terrance Young directed the first James Bond movie. He molded Connery’s performance in his own likeness.

    The specific character of James Bond has been well established to be a white Briton.

    That is not to say they cannot create a black secret agent type, similar to James Bond but he would be similar to James Bond not James Bond.

    There have been many arguments over what James Bond might be like but there was never any doubt that he was white.

    [Fleming did not like Connery as Bond at first, but warmed to him over time.]

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  482. And no one pays for my kid and you must hold a very high regard of yourself to think you pay more taxes toward welfare parents than I do!

    Who are you talking to? Because I never brought up welfare and taxes.

    Just for the record, the Federal budget works out to roughly $10k per person. State budgets vary widely, but as an example in CA there’s roughly $8k per child in education spending alone. (Depends on grade.) Your state is probably a bit lower but then you have to add in other state spending. So figure you have to pay $30k in taxes each year to cover yourself and your child, Federal and state. I have no idea if you do or not. When I speak of the costs to society I’m not speaking of financial per se, though that’s considerable at the low end (i.e. unemployed mothers on welfare).

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  483. All of your moral accusations on the Jew thing are bullshit. I am talking about AS A MOTHER I would kill as many Jews as they wanted if it meant MY family lived.

    You think throwing the word “mother” out there makes it any better? Think again.

    Question: knowing this about you, do you think I would ever risk my life fighting to save you? Why? If we were invaded why would I risk my neck to save you knowing that, if push came to shove, you would flip and kill as many innocent people as necessary to save your own hide? Just when I thought my opinion of you couldn’t get any lower. Do yourself a favor and never teach your son what you’ve said here today. If he happens to grow up with any moral fiber he will despise you for it.

    Your rationalizations are the evil that allowed the Nazis to take control and slaughter millions. A German back then didn’t have to hate Jews to be guilty in their national slaughter. He or she nearly had to be complacent as the political forces gathered that would plunge the world into war.

    You may consider taking a stand against the Nazi’s and letting them kill you and your kids “honorable” but my family’s safety comes before “making a political statement” and I am quite sure most average German families felt the same way.

    Refusing to slaughter an innocent human, and suffering as a result, is not a “political statement” you stupid amoral bimbo. I’m sure most German families felt the same way to, which is why they deserved to have their country bombed to pieces, and then cut in half after the war. They actually didn’t suffer enough (at least not in West Germany; the Soviets were a little more vengeful). At least the Japanese were made to endure two nuclear blasts for their crimes.

    You clearly are not a parent if you accuse me of being a “bad person” because I would kill people to save my family.

    That you would kill innocent people under threat of harm from evil people in the name of saving your skin, or yes, the skin of your family, makes you a bad person.

    That shows a very selfish person intent on taking a stand so they look good as opposed to looking like an asshole and saving your family.

    Refusing to participate in the murder of innocent human beings is selfish grandstanding? Wow, you really are a dumb bitch.

    I smell some sympathy for Nazi ancestors, or ancestors who were “just following orders.”

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  484. “Too true. There are far more Asian doctors than black ones, despite the much smaller Asian population.”

    If ER were true to life half of the cast would be Arab, Pakistani, or Indian, and have names like Samir.

    TV does not represent reality, though it does try to socially engineer public perceptions of social changes, while badly reflecting the actuality of these changes.

    [email protected]
    On a black James Bond.

    Sorry bro, for once I have to disagree. James Bond to me is the essence of the British Military establishment distilled into a Cambridge and Eaton educated gin drinking man of the empire.
    That they made M into a ball-breaking feme was bad enough. And it’s been so long I’m half used to it.
    But I want my black fictitonal heroes to be authentically black. James Bond would simply not be who he is if he was White Upper Class and British. Craig’s a deviation from this, he’s not as much upper class, but the formula works. But a black James Bond would be like a black Indiana Jones.
    It just wouldn’t work.

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  485. You know, I’ve never been a fan of hospital shows and the like, and really don’t care one way or the other-but I’m curious:

    Ok, so let’s present hospital workers on tv shows as they really are-lots of Jews, Asians and Indians as doctors, a mix of Non-Jewish White, Indian and some Black nurses, and when it comes to Black Men, mainly security or janitors.

    Ok.

    Does that satisfy everyone? How interesting would that be? I don’t know, but I suppose it would be closer to reality, because like I said, most of the Black doctors I know have their own practices or work/run clinics. You’re not likely to see them in big hospitals.

    But, I don’t think presenting an “alternate” take on things has to be so bad-what is so wrong w/showing some Black top ranking doctors? Couldn’t that be taken as a kind of inspiration for younger Black kids to aspire to? And we can apply this to whatever group.

    Now, unless I miss my guess, ALL of the medical shows have, once again, WHITE MALE LEADS. From Patrick “Dr. McDreamy” Dempsey on Gray’s Anatomy to House’s Hugh Laurie, and George Clooney from the now defunct ER, White guys are yet again,comfortably in the lead.
    Now, I know what y’all are gonna say: but there ain’t no Beta guys being featured, or if he is, he’s always dumped on. Duh! Betas get dumped on in life. Talk about twisting reality…

    O

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  486. However my point was and remains that the representation on virtually every US doctor show, of which there are many, of black doctors being at the top of the heap or very much in that running, and that being the ordinary expected thing and they’re sometimes being quite proportionately plentiful at such levels (e.g. ER) is a wild distortion of the reality for entirely social propaganda purposes.

    If that was really your point, than it was irrelavant to my point. I was never talking about all those other shows. That changes the discussion considerably. We were talking about sitcoms, and Scrubs.

    Let’s backtrack: I was responding to commenter talk about sitcoms with blacks and whites appearing together, and how the black guy is supposedly always so superior to the white co-star in all ways. I pointed out Scrubs as one show where the black character is not portrayed as superior and the white guy is not portayed as dumb at the black guy’s expense.

    Then you came and said Scrubs wasn’t a realistic example because for the show to be truly realistic the black Scrubs character should not only seem of comparable or equal intelligence to the white character, he should appear noticeably inferior to the white character to the point where he comes off to be of two standard deviations lower in verbal IQ than the white character. You said since the average black in the general population is two standard deviations lower in verbal IQ than the average Jew, the black doctor character in Scrubs should be shown as being two standard deviations lower in verbal IQ than the Jewish doctor despite the fact that such a black person is far from the typical black person.

    I disagree that at the educated doctor level you’d still have such a high divergence in verbal IQ, even though thanks to AA the black doctor would probably be less qualified. GNXP says black MCAT scores are less than one standard deviation lower than white MCAT scores.

    We weren’t talking about ER or any other shows with hotshot black superstar surgeons, we were only talking about Scrubs, a show with two regular medical residents who are clever goofballs. I, like you, don’t agree with black doctors being unrealistically shown as superstar surgeons all the time to be PC, but Scrubs isn’t one of those shows. Where I do disagree with you is this idea that because of some general IQ population stats, a show is never realistic unless the black guy is shown to be noticeably less verbally proficient than the white character to the tune of two standard deviations.

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  487. For example, women who don’t cook are a distinct turn off.

    I’m rather traditionalist in this regard since I can’t cook or bake worth a damn, so it is nice to have a woman who can cook. Mind you, sub-D cup tits are far worse than a woman who can’t cook.

    And like a good little sub-human male, I can wash dishes, clean up, and do laundry…

    there were Women in your life who quite possibly could have been in love w/you, and the only reason why you didn’t return the feelings was because of the way she looked

    I’ll certainly admit to that, and a number of people close to me felt that she would have been perfect for me since she thought my interest in trains was cool, and that I was really smart, funny, and interesting. Yet, I turned her down since I didn’t find her attractive at all, and I just couldn’t see myself with her. She was much too skinny and flat-chested, and she had a certain trashy white girl vibe that would have lead to family members questioning my choices and the general public secretly noting the ugly trashy white female/black male stereotype. Love was certainly a choice in this aspect, but as you can see, her features is what prevented reciprocation of those feelings.

    In a hypothetical case, if I was to stick around with a girl who was unattractive to me, but had IQ and upper class contacts, and used her as a tool for my own needs, then I would be hypocritical tool who is no better than the women who marry beta males. If you’re merely marrying somebody that you find unattractive only for their ability to provide you with something, then you’re a user.

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  488. But Dave Alex, your admission of the flat chested, trashy girl (and let’s be honest-what respectable Woman would dress in the manner that turns you on so much? So the whole “trashy” thing is a red herring as you so often toss into discussions, so severe your aversion for straight talk is) proves my point. We don’t even need to go to the IQ part-the very fact that she couldn’t “do” something for you insofar as your physical attractiveness needs, means that “love” was out of the question, regardless of the depth of her love for you, or of her true character. Again, you’re no better than the majority of Women you lament for allegedly “using” Beta guys like you.

    Pot, meet Dave Alex…

    O

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  489. “Mind you, sub-D cup tits are far worse than a woman who can’t cook. “

    Dude, that’s kinda barbaric.

    A woman who cannot cook can always compensate some other way and win my good graces. It’s not that difficult, every girl has some special sort of talent. I mean, surprise me, bring something else nice to the table.

    Not cooking is a handicap, but it needn’t superglue someone in place, perpetually behind the starting line.
    A nice and sincere smile, even, or witty intelligent conversation, can compensate.

    Sub-D tits, are nice. Over D tits are nice. As long as both are natural. A small B cup handful, or pert C cups, fill my hand nicely and are pleasant to gently knead. Natural D cups that are nice and soft are also pleasant and good. Heck even A cups can be endearing and sweet, and sexy on the right girl.

    Double D implant knockers are a greater handicap than not cooking.

    Seriously.

    A woman with implants can be sexy in other ways, but to compensate she’s got to have mad back massage skills, be a highly skilled fellatrix, tender eyes, a nice and natural smile, and bake really mean bread.

    If only women realized how they destroyed the natural art of their natural beauty with silicon. Fake breasts are far greater turn offs than being 50-60lbs over weight. There are very sexy chubby girls around.

    But sexy fake tits? That’s unnatural porn crap.
    Even well done implants are a bit off putting. That I’m staring at them is not a sign of my delight, I stare at wonder at horrible twisted car wrecks. I do not delight in them.

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  490. Lady Rain
    ”You may consider taking a stand against the Nazi’s and letting them kill you and your kids “honorable” but my family’s safety comes before “making a political statement” and I am quite sure most average German families felt the same way.”
    Lady Rain, that is pretty damn Amoral. And it feeds into certain observations and conclusions made by certain misogynists regarding the locus of an average woman’s moral compass. Conclusions I do not want to accept, but increasingly flirt with…

    Someone who would let the world burn as long as her brood and household escape unscathed, this is a subtle type of evil. It is a feminine one, it is sometimes excusable but it is an evil.

    There is such a thing as principle.
    Many people through history have died for their principles. This going with the wind as long as my brood are safe mentality is the essence of a type of cowardice. It has its utility, the tendency of a woman to put her family first is praiseworthy, in normal circumstances. In times of great horror when principle matters, well that’s what fathers and husbands are for. To make sure the right thing is done when it needs to be done, even if the right thing means their death.

    There are things about which it is more virtuous, and honorable, to die defending. Even if that defense seems like a hollow phyric victory. Those without a sense of honor or a deep moral compass rooted in basic compassion for human beings outside one’s brood and ken would have problems understanding this.

    “The guilty have no pride”

    Basically, there is some shit so evil that if I had to do it in order to survive I wouldn’t be able to look at myself in the morning for the rest of my life. So I wouldn’t do it. Killing the innocent is amongst this. If this means I die, then I die. If I must kill the innocent to save my family, then well, frankly, I refuse to kill the innocent.

    Your statement’s amoral. You cannot escape this fact.

    “I smell some sympathy for Nazi ancestors, or ancestors who were “just following orders.”

    Now that Lady Rain’s amorality has been exposed, saying the Germans deserved to have their country blown to bits is also pretty damn low. Hating Germans is easy, it’s a pet hate that is safe to nurse in our culture even today.

    But it’s bullshit. How would a German having sympathy for their ancestors be any different from sympathy for ANY ancestors who were guilty of atrocities in the past?

    A significant subtext of earlier comments in this thread is the perception by some of the utter unfairness of broadly focusing on the real (and historically real they were) atrocities of their ancestors upon others, while glossing over equally barbaric atrocities by others.

    The Spaniards exterminated certain populations. This is fucking historical fact. It is not liberal PC misreading of history. It happened. The implications of it, and the exclusive focusing on it while ignoring the perhaps greater, or at least equal, historical crimes of others is what can be questioned.

    The British exterminated certain populations, and ravished other ones rather thoroughly. This is fucking historical fact. It is not liberal PC misreading of history. It happened. The implications of it, and the exclusive focusing on it while ignoring the perhaps greater, or at least equal, historical crimes of others is what can be questioned.

    Why must the Germans repeatedly be made to suffer waves of guilt for the crimes of many of their ancestors?

    Must Mexicans be raked over the coals for any numbers of people the Aztecs regularly used for surplus mass human sacrifice ? Must Jews be raked over the coals for biblical narratives of genocide in Canaan? No. Of course that was 2500 years ago. So let’s try something more recent. Must Americans today be raked over the coals for dead Cherokee Indians, dropping like flies on the trail of tears, or other Indians given smallpox riddled blankets?

    Must Turks be raked over the coals for Armenian mass deaths? Must the British be raked over the coals for the extermination of Tasmanians?

    Maybe. I’m asking the questions, and giving no answers. But the harshness directed at the Germans is somewhat misplaced. The Nazis committed grave evil. But really, genocide’s rather banal. People have let the blood of millions throughout history. Why single out the Germans for the most massive guilt trip in history, in a century in which several other ethnicities also caused exterminations of mind boggling proportions? Take the case of the Soviets, twice as many, maybe even more. And they were our fucking allies. I’m almost willing to consider Stalin’s twice the monster that Hitler was.

    Lady Rain, your comment was amoral and self serving and, well, sucks.
    DT, so too does castigating the entire German population to this day. What of Iraqis who currently blame every American for their perceptions of the causes of their suffering, for every 10 year old Iraqi boy maimed in Baghdad in a firefight?

    Collective guilt is half bullshit any way you cut it, and the other half that is not bullshit has to face the fact that everyone’s collective guilt gets in the way.

    Dresden ? That was barbarity. No matter what way you cut it. You know I am telling the truth.

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  491. Kamal S.

    So for any women reading along, the message is simple (and it is not just Kamal and I):

    Spend the money you save on getting fake beach ball like breasts on something like cookery class.

    [Please note that the Dave Alexander’s of the world will be too busy with porn, so don’t worry what they think.]

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  492. [email protected]
    “Yet, I turned her down since I didn’t find her attractive at all, and I just couldn’t see myself with her. She was much too skinny and flat-chested, and she had a certain trashy white girl vibe that would have lead to family members questioning my choices”

    You should’ve sent her my way.
    After a couple of nights she would forget your existence.

    Trashy vibe, just introduce her to some culture. Take her places she’s never been. Show her new vistas.

    Flat chested.

    Do you have any idea just how sensitive small breasts are?
    Nothing’s more fun then almost making a girl come simply by caressing her breasts.

    That settles it. There is something amiss in your soul. I think you pissed it out into a commode by mistake.

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  493. Default.

    You are the man.

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  494. on June 15, 2009 at 8:31 pm swisschalet

    Obisdian, I agree with Tood. You really should start a blog. I’m not black but it’s nice to get a different point of view. Most of the commenters here seem to be white middle/upper class professionals who seem to have a sense of white superiority and whine about, complain about and blame most of the worlds problems on “darkies”.

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  495. swissmullet: I’m not black but it’s nice to get a different point of view.

    yeah, you can’t hardly see the ‘black point of view’ from ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, the New York Times, TIME and Hollywood – what with roissy’s posters blurring the picture.

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  496. Willard
    “It’s best to avoid pop culture as much as possible. It’s inferior, dishonest garbage aimed at idiots and cowards.”

    I missed this, should’ve read it.
    I approve this message.

    [email protected]
    “Do you have any conception what courtship was like in the past? It was in large part a time when a woman and her family could investigate a man and evaluate his behavior before he got the chance to cum in the woman’s pussy.”

    I have to second this, the whole point in having one’s family involved in the courtship practice was to weed out bad picks. A father KNOWS who and what he wants bedding his daughter, as adult and grownup as the daughter may be, from the hordes of obvious bad choices many women make for, gee, half of their reproductive lives, what turns them on in men is not always what is good for their well being, or their children’s well being.

    A 19 year old was shot 4 blocks from me (give or take) with her 9 month old infant, babysitting someone else’s 3 year old child. She bought infamy and suffering to TWO families, one her own, and one only guilty in trusting her with their flesh and blood.

    Blame the victim? In this case, well, yeah. So what, sue me for it. Y’all know it’s true.

    [email protected] your point regarding that incident is true. The girl, like many others, had been abused when young. It in no way erases her guilt in willfully dating a violent thug who had shot her baby’s daddy, weeks before they started fucking, who then beat her, and raped her, and threatened to kill her, and in utter cluelessness of the safety of her own brood, and someone else’s, she let the cretin know that she was planning on moving.

    I was once at a party, with a friend. He had this pretty young blond thing living in his apartment with him and his girlfriend. I had no idea what her relation was, until this huge good ol boy Aryan nation bruiser and his 350lbs brother, burst into the apartment, beat every one of us to a pulp, and half killed my friend, the host, all because his stupid broad – 23 year old wife with a mouse for a brain, left him due to his repeated beatings, asked my friend to crash with him, and in a later phone conversation told the cretin where she was staying. He sweet talked it out of her. I almost went to a hospital for that dumb bitch. I was stupid enough to keep getting up and getting in the guy’s face while he beat my friend, being about 200lbs and 7 inches taller than me, he mostly flung me around like a rag doll.

    The story gets funnier, much funnier than I’m revealing in public, I can’t compromise other people’s privacy after all. Further aspects of the story involved the police being called, rather tall plants being discovered on the premises, and quickly hidden all around the neighborhood. The scene sort of reminded me of a scene Lock Stock and Two Smoking barrels, except more fists thrown, and no guns.

    Needless to say any fight a man can walk away from is a funny story.. I laugh over it.

    Blame the victim? Again, yep. Blond cute little thing with not a brain in her head. Crawling into our neighborhood hole after wards, however, I did get free drinks out of it when the tender pried the story from my mouth.

    And with that, good night.

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  497. Obsidian —

    Ok, so let’s present hospital workers on tv shows as they really are-lots of Jews, Asians and Indians as doctors, a mix of Non-Jewish White, Indian and some Black nurses, and when it comes to Black Men, mainly security or janitors.

    There are a whole like of non Jewish white doctors also. They tend to not stay and work in inner cities.

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  498. @kamal
    on the blog- I let it go because I wasn’t doing justice to it.

    on your friend’s friend- Yea, so she brought the drama to you guys. SMH sometimes those women become addicted to the beatings in a way. I think I read in one of my lala Eastern philosophy books, maybe Celestine Prophecy, that we go around in circles throughout our lives recreating the same issues and events that haunt us from childhood. That would explain why some people move from abusive relationship to abusive relationship and why some people yo-yo diet.

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  499. Ok Doug, so we include them in hospitals like ER? Because I’m a stone’s throw away from Temple U’s hospital, and I can tell you aint many non-Jewish White docs there.

    I mean, what are we talking about here, Doug? I just got finished pointing out, that ALL the medical shows have WHITE MALE LEADS, NONE of whom are Jews-ain’t that “bending” reality just a bit?

    Fellas, come on, dweeby guys just ain’t sexy. I’m sorry, I don’t know what else to say. And trying to make them sexy would really be pushing the reality envelope. No one would buy it.

    Instead of aiming for the ground fellas, why not aim high? You have tools like Game now. Use it.

    O

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  500. on June 15, 2009 at 9:05 pm Tupac Chopra

    Folks —

    Please give up on trying to make David Alexander “see the light.”

    It’s hopeless. An excercise in futility.

    Better men than you have tried, lo these many years.

    He’s an attention whore.

    He make some valid points here and there, but in the final analysis, he comes to this blog to find validation for his cowardice. He latches onto any notion of cynicism to prop up his cowardice.

    Everybody needs to abandon their noble sentiments in his case.

    People in AA and other 12 step groups recognize that true change only occurs when the individual in question has “hit bottom.”

    David Alexander is close.

    Stop enabling him.

    Let him stew in his oily marinade of self-serving rationalizations.

    One of two things will happen.

    He will either kill himself, or start getting to work. Either way, we win.

    But please don’t encourage him.

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  501. I think it’s amazing that you really seem to feel letting your children die is “honorable” you can call me all the names you can think of but it’s not “saving MY skin” it would be to save my families lives

    The lives of your family members aren’t worth shit if they would be willing to slaughter innocents to avoid any risk of confrontation with an evil government. Like I said, your attitude is what enabled the Nazis to rule. And your people living in Germany deserved more punishment than they received at the end of WWII for sharing that very attitude.

    and like I said any decent parent protects their children above “general society”.

    Participating in the slaughter of another person’s children is not protecting your own.

    Sympathy for my ancestors? Yes definitely my family is 100% German Protestant and my parents are the first “born in America” of my ancestors. Of course I feel sympathy for the Germans. They got treated horribly for doing the same thing every evil leader does except they didn’t lie and they did it effectively.

    They weren’t treated nearly horribly enough post WWII. That generation needed to suffer humiliation, shame, poverty, and enslavement to the western powers every day until death so that their children would learn you never, ever choose to participate in such crimes.

    yes I’d kill anyone who posed harm to my child. Only you see to think this is “crazy talk”.

    No coward, you said you would kill another person’s innocent children to save your own. Big fucking difference.

    I wonder how you would feel if you found yourself begging someone to hide you and your son from certain death, only to have them call in the authorities and have you dragged off to a camp where you could watch your son be gassed before choking on it yourself. What would you thoughts be on honor, morality, and survival then?

    I had more honor and morality at 12 than you have as an adult. I wouldn’t have allowed my father to sacrifice others to save me. I realize the majority of the world’s population is probably just like you. That’s why the world gets so fucked up.

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  502. Joe

    Then you came and said Scrubs wasn’t a realistic example because for the show to be truly realistic the black Scrubs character should not only seem of comparable or equal intelligence to the white character, he should appear noticeably inferior to the white character to the point where he comes off to be of two standard deviations lower in verbal IQ than the white character.

    Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said no such thing about the Scrubs doctor needing to look two sigmas down in IQ to look at all realistic.

    Instead I responded to your remark that the fact that the black doctor in Scrubs didn’t seem any smarter than the Jewish hero of the show was hardly Hollywood doing white guys and specifically Jewish white guys any propaganda favors, considering the underlying realities of the two groups disparate group IQ’s (and pass rates on medical boards I could add) in the general US population. The show portrays parity as commonplace whereas where it exists it’s remarkable and fairly rare. No doubt there are some black super high testing and achieving doctors in intellectually difficult specialties let me add. We’re talking statistics and the general rule here.

    You are the one that has endlessly belabored this.

    There clearly is massive and concerted propaganda going on all the time in American media.

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  503. Kamal – being about 200lbs and 7 inches taller than me, he mostly flung me around like a rag doll.

    You’re luckier than I was. The only fight I ever lost was also with a bigger guy. Realistically, about 30 pounds heavier than me, and about my height, maybe a hair taller. I was 22.

    Hard-looking rednecky guy. I was at a party where I didn’t know too many people. He had made up his mind on getting into a fight, asked me some kind of a question to which there is no correct answer, I gave him an answer that I thought was gonna placate him and started walking away.

    The fucker charged me from the blindside, knocked me down, and somehow my arms ended up pinned under me as he was freely pummeling my face.

    Not a thing I could do about it. I just recall thinking in a wierd druglike stupor: “damn this hurts, when the fuck is this gonna stop?”

    I was lucky to suffer noting more than a sore cheekbone and a nasty black eye.

    But just for perspective’s sake, my real-fight record (real fight = as an adult, not against a friend, real intention to hurt) is .7500. As far as ratios go, three out of four ain’t bad.

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  504. Obsidian —

    Ok Doug, so we include them in hospitals like ER?

    There are in good NYC hospitals Obsidian.

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  505. Obsidian–

    I bet there are in Chicago ones too, what with all the white ethnics of that city especially.

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  506. I had more honor and morality at 12 than you have as an adult.

    We get it DT. You are pure of heart and noble of spirit, and gosh darn it, everyone better damn well know that you would be right there with the good Count, offing that evil little Austrian.

    Behold, Internet audiences, a man walks among us. He says so himself.

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  507. on June 15, 2009 at 9:29 pm Tupac Chopra

    “There is no way of knowing how a disappointment will affect
    history.
    The study of Hitler reveals one simple fact: once you study
    Hitler there is no longer any need to study politics.
    The Hitler episode is the one and only “course” necessary to
    understand the very complex subject called “political science.”
    Another phrase for political science is — the overcompensation for an
    inferiority complex.
    Most members of the human species are herd animals. Similar to
    domesticated sheep and cows they contentedly and proudly strut to the
    market to be slaughtered.
    Unlike other herd animals, however, humans believe they are
    individuals with a free-will and a mind of their own.
    Humans can’t tolerate insecurity, disappointment, or frustration
    very well.
    Like many others, Hitler knew this fact very well. What was
    Hitler’s regime — The — *We Mentality.*
    Security Programs — Identification with a Hero — Guarantees —
    Someone To Blame for Misfortune — Freedom as Obedience — Enemies —
    A Sense of Superiority Based on the “We” — Sacrifice for the “We.”
    What embarassed mankind so much about Hitler’s existence? He
    showed them how capable they were! He showed them what an inferior
    person could do when sufficiently angered.
    He showed the Moolah what he would do to protect his house.
    Hitler turned the idea of a rational, humanistic mankind into a joke.
    He showed us how the most normal and decent man could be made to run a
    gas chamber. ”

    “The herd animal is terrified — but he is horrifying in his pretense of being human. He can and will do anything to keep his safety — to pay the rent. Secretly he is proud of his cowardice — he believes he can survive at any cost — to you. This is the same behavior as the Nazis. The Nazi in the death camp was an ordinary man who was paying his rent and protecting his family. This fact alone horrifies the middle class since it uncovers who they really are — Nazis in the making. It doesn’t take much to turn anyone into a Nazi.” — C.S.H.

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  508. on June 15, 2009 at 9:31 pm David on ipod

    She was rather tomboyish, and despite her interest in me she didn’t come across as a hug buddy either. While this was pre-porn, I just didn’t find her attractive, and the high school dropout and teen mom status of her siblings tainted her in my eyes. Surprisingly, mom liked her, while dad thought I could do better.

    So yes, I was shallow and mean to her, and I do feel guilt for my choice, it was still better that lying to her about my interest in her and then using her until I found somebody better.

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  509. I have never lost a fight. Mostly because of bouncers. The last time was typical. Stupid guy spills his drink on me, I pull him , fight starts, 30 seconds later the bouncer is imobilyzing me.

    I Was going to be expelled and banned from the place, but asked the manager to download my profile there through my ID to see how many times I had been there before and how much I had spent, while the other guy was a stupid tourist from another city who had never been to the place. I gave 50 BRL ( 25 USD) as a gift to the manager and the two bouncers, and returned to the dancefloor

    now every single girl there new about the fighting and how only one of the belligerent parties was allowed to return.

    bouncers tapping me in the back also helped. valentines was a fantastic night

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  510. Now that Lady Rain’s amorality has been exposed, saying the Germans deserved to have their country blown to bits is also pretty damn low. Hating Germans is easy, it’s a pet hate that is safe to nurse in our culture even today.

    I don’t hate Germans, but the German generation of WWII committed horrendous crimes and plunged the world into war. I’m sorry, but they did deserve to be beaten back, bombed, and brought to their knees. They brought it on themselves.

    Same with the Japanese. One of my best friends is Japanese. And in a discussion of WWII I told him point blank that the Japanese generation during WWII, as a people and a culture, deserved Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He didn’t like that, but too bad. You don’t do the shit they did. And if you do, you expect retribution, and you don’t cry about it when it happens.

    Those two nuclear strikes were horrible. And it was that horror which finally broke the Japanese of their lust for war and conquest. Their culture needed that shock.

    How would a German having sympathy for their ancestors be any different from sympathy for ANY ancestors who were guilty of atrocities in the past?

    I don’t have sympathy for such ancestors. But I also don’t hold their crimes against the current generation which had no part.

    Why must the Germans repeatedly be made to suffer waves of guilt for the crimes of many of their ancestors?

    If you’re German and were not alive during WWII then you have no reason to feel guilt. But if you have LR’s amoral “fuck everyone as long as I get mine” attitude then you do need serious help.

    Maybe. I’m asking the questions, and giving no answers. But the harshness directed at the Germans is somewhat misplaced. The Nazis committed grave evil. But really, genocide’s rather banal. People have let the blood of millions throughout history. Why single out the Germans for the most massive guilt trip in history, in a century in which several other ethnicities also caused exterminations of mind boggling proportions? Take the case of the Soviets, twice as many, maybe even more. And they were our fucking allies. I’m almost willing to consider Stalin’s twice the monster that Hitler was.

    My harshness is directed at LR’s selfish, amoral beliefs. If you want me to go off on the Soviets for a while, you’ll see I’m easily twice as hard on them as the Germans. I’m even rather hard on the U.S. for not turning around and using the A-bomb to end the Soviet government immediately upon the Japanese surrender. Back then I would have been thought mad for suggesting turning on an ally (who started an enemy, btw) and continuing the war, even if it would have been short. But that action would have saved millions. Not recognizing evil for what it was literally brought the human race to the brink of extinction on more than one occasion (Cuban missile crisis; any of the accidental near nuclear launches).

    DT, so too does castigating the entire German population to this day.

    I didn’t say they needed to be castigated to this day. I don’t advocate punishing Japan or Germany for WWII today. There’s no justice or purpose served in punishing people who weren’t even alive at the time.

    But at the time? Our military was right to beat the shit out of them.

    What of Iraqis who currently blame every American for their perceptions of the causes of their suffering, for every 10 year old Iraqi boy maimed in Baghdad in a firefight?

    While I do not agree with Bush’s decisions, Iraq is no where near that clear cut. American soldiers did not invade with the collective desire to implement a “final solution” on the Iraqi people. And for all the “Bush is a cowboy talk”, he gave Saddam how long to avoid war by complying with UN demands? I dare you to name another war where an army has done more to try and separate hostile people from everyone else, and protect everyone else. You can’t compare the U.S. army in Iraq to Nazi Germany no matter what the liberal left says.

    Dresden ? That was barbarity. No matter what way you cut it. You know I am telling the truth.

    Sorry, Dresden was deserved. Take a long, hard look at what that German generation did. They are lucky we stopped with Dresden. Most historical powers would have conquered Germany only to begin exterminating Germans for the trouble they caused. We fed and rebuilt them. That generation should thank whatever God they believe in for our mercy. They didn’t deserve it.

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  511. bouncers never take any loner than 90 seconds to reach anywhere in any club I have ever been to,

    you cant get involved in two fights in the same place, or else you will get banned

    you cant get involved in more than one fight per year, or you will start being boycotted by your friends AND girls alike

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  512. We get it DT. You are pure of heart and noble of spirit, and gosh darn it, everyone better damn well know that you would be right there with the good Count, offing that evil little Austrian.

    No PA, I’m not pure of heart and noble of spirit. But I am thoroughly pissed off at her for saying “I’d kill Jews all day long if it helped my family.” Fuck LR. She needs to be smacked across her 28-going-on-38 yo face for that shit.

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  513. on June 15, 2009 at 9:47 pm David on ipod

    In regards to cup size, I will give a B or C cup girl a chance, but only if they come nails, a sexually attractive face since beautiful will no longer suffice, and a nice large ass. Otherwise if she has an A cup, she shouldn’t bother, and find herself a closeted gay guy who likes feminine looking men with long hair. No amount of other positive traits can save that train wreck from being remotely attractive or feminine save for breast implants.

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  514. — I don’t hate Germans, but the German generation of WWII committed horrendous crimes and plunged the world into war. I’m sorry, but they did deserve to be beaten back, bombed, and brought to their knees. They brought it on themselves.

    Tell us, Aristotle, is there an age cutoff? how about a senile old German woman in 1940 or a two-year old? Um, what about Germans who didn’t vote for Hitler… or ones who didn’t mean to but they accidentally dimpled the eeevil chad?

    — I wouldn’t have allowed my father to sacrifice others to save me.

    Dude, you’re awesome! I tell you, your noble would-be sacrifice will be the stuff of legends. At least among those of Roissy readers who are still following this thread.

    (darn it, if you only could have lived seventy years ago, surely you’d show us how you back those big words up! the ignomy of having to live with all this nobility and no evil dictator to fight!)

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  515. She needs to be smacked across her 28-going-on-38 yo face for that shit.

    All right, I was just fuckin witcha. Lady Rain is a piece of work, no need to get worked up over her. Remember: girls like to talk. With many, the best thing to do is think ‘In one ear and out the other.’

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  516. on June 15, 2009 at 9:58 pm David on ipod

    Re: Default

    The time and money men spend on flat chested girls could be used on learning how to cook so you don’t have to rely on her, and on learning game so you can meet girls with something resembling breasts.

    Re: Kamal

    I sold my soul to Devil in a deal that went bad on my side. I probably should have traded it for something better.

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  517. Doug:

    Why the insults? Everything was civil until now.

    If by poor reading comprehension you mean I can’t predict how you’ll change what you were arguing from one comment to the next, then you’re right. If you mean my ability to interpret what you actually wrote, my reading comprehension is fine.

    I mentioned Scrubs as an example of a sitcom where the black guy isn’t smarter than the white guy and the white guy is not made to look dumb to promote the black guy. They are pretty much equals, no one is consistently made to look like a punk for the other. I didn’t say anything about the black guy being a superior technician to the white guy. I didn’t say the black guy is as gifted a doctor as the white guy. All I said is that here is a show where a white guy is not the black guy’s bitch. And somehow even that wasn’t enough for you, because you then responded:

    Isn’t that a Hollywood wonder, since real word the average of the two populations is two standard deviations apart, almost, on verbal IQ

    So going by your words alone at face value, you were saying that you’re not satisfied with my example and considered it a “Hollywood wonder” that they are both portrayed as being anywhere in the same range of common sense smarts because in the real world, the average verbal IQ of the two populations are two standard deviations apart. You were saying that you weren’t satisfied with the black guy not being superior to the white guy. To be satisfied, you need the black guy to be shown as being closer to two standard deviations lower than the white guy, otherwise it’s a PC “Hollywood wonder.”

    If I misinterpreted what you intended to say, it wasn’t due to my reading comprehension but your clarity, because what I took from that statement was what it said clearly at face value.

    And as I said, usinf the US general population is a poor barometer. A Jewish doctor is much more representative of the Jewish general population than a black doctor is representative of the black general population. So hypothesizing that you can accurately gauge the intelligence of a Jewish doctor and a black doctor based on their respective general populations is disingenuous.

    You need to isolate white doctors and black doctors. And when you do that, the white doctors are definitely more adept and skilled, which I readily admitted, but not two standard deviations better. GNXP has posted on this at length. It’s less than one standard deviation better when it comes to MCAT scores and board passage rates.

    Now if Scrubs was showing high level surgical procedures or challenging medical work and the black and white doctor were showing equal skills, I’d agree with you that it wasn’t realistic. But the show is about low level doctor residents doing routing medicine and grunt work, and very little of the plot revolves around in-depth medical work, just routine sitcom scenarios and social interaction. So showing them as near equals in daily social interactions and routine residency work is not this major affront to whites and Jews that you make it out to be. It’s a sitcom, not ER or House.

    Instead I responded to your remark that the fact that the black doctor in Scrubs didn’t seem any smarter than the Jewish hero of the show was hardly Hollywood doing white guys and specifically Jewish white guys any propaganda favors

    I never said it was doing whites “propaganda favors.” I just don’t think it’s doing them any disservices either. If what you lament is the lack of “propaganda favors” for whites, you’re on your own there. I’d really rather not see any propaganda favors for either race, just entertaining television.

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  518. But I am thoroughly pissed off at her for saying “I’d kill Jews all day long if it helped my family.”

    I didn’t read her comments on this topic too closely, but my impression was that her point simply was that if she had lived under a regime like the Nazis, she’d have passively gone with the flow rather than be put up against the wall along with her kid.

    In that sense, she is a normal person. I don’t recall her saying that she’d actively murder people.

    Read Solzhenitsyn’s “Gulag Archipelago.” He does a vivid picture of how millions of Russians passively put up with two apparatchiks just grabbing some woman and dragging her off to Lubyanka.

    Also, there was a story of an Iraqi athlete undergoing grisly tortures under Hussein’s regime. When his tormentor took a short break, the horrifically-abused athlete pleaded to his butcher, “why are you doing this to me?”

    The torturer looked at him with something like compassion, and said something like “because if I don’t keep whippng you, it will be me on this table.”

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  519. David (Alexander) on ipod

    The time and money men spend on flat chested girls could be used on learning how to cook so you don’t have to rely on her

    Nothing to do with needing her to cook. I and probably most of the other men here can cook. It is just nice to have a woman cook for you. Nicer than fake, pneumatic, bouncy-castle breasts.

    I sold my soul to Devil in a deal that went bad on my side. I probably should have traded it for something better.

    Don’t worry, I think it was the devil that was gaffed on that deal. You got something, he got an empty husk.

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  520. I read the Diary of Anne Frank as a young girl, I then read Treblinka, The Hiding Place and others trying to figure out what happened. I forgot about this early fascination until recently, after watching The Reader I once again found myself researching the steps which led to this massive extermination attempt of a human race. I’ve watched Mein Kampf on Youtube, read biographies on some of the major contributors to the ’cause’ and watched movies dedicated to remembering what happened so we won’t forget. I have a better understanding, but still no compassion for what led millions to cooperate often knowingly.

    Watching the romantic movie Titanic left me in tears, I think I cried for three hours. I could care less about the silly love story, what horrified me is the events were based on real life. People from lower classes were locked below deck in order to allow others access to half empty boats how tragic is this! How inhumane?

    Horrible atrocities have taken place since Hitler (i.e. Rwanda) and unfortunately they will continue to take place. We don’t learn and seem incapable of it in any massive way. Why? Do we have an innate instinct to survive at any cost? What processes take place in our brains that allows us to rationalize our behaviours? Because that’s what happens when these events take place, people aren’t monsters en masse. They are people like you and me.

    How many believe Oprah is a super, spiritual, wonder woman? Most readers here would say no based simply on her being a woman, but believe me she has millions of followers. I think she could be the anti-christ. I’m not super religious, but if I were I think that’s what the anti-christ would look like. Her influence brings books to best sellers. She publicly shamed author James Frey for his story A Million Little Pieces and he was reviled by the world. She has power and could easily use it against innocents. Tupac is right we are sheep and too easily led. Hitler was a very charismatic man, passionate about what he believed in and people followed him, no one saw him as crazy at the time.

    As to doing whatever it takes to protect your family I believe LR simply displays an attitude far too many people have; she’s just honest about it.

    I hope I never get faced with having to kill an innocent in order to protect family/myself, if I do I hope I make the right choice…history would tell me otherwise.

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  521. Actually Doug, forget it, youre right, I think we’re just arguing in circles at this point and no one’s going to convince the other. I’ll just agree to disagree.

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  522. on June 15, 2009 at 10:23 pm David on ipod

    Re: Default

    Yes, she may be able to cook, but what good is she if I can’t have sex with her if she isn’t attractive to me. At the point, she stays permanently in the friend zone.

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  523. on June 15, 2009 at 10:26 pm David on ipod

    Re: Default

    Yes, she may be able to cook, but what good is she if I can’t have sex with her if she isn’t attractive to me. At the point, she stays permanently in the friend zone.

    As for my deal with the Devil, I should have included career and college success instead of being so short term and only thinking of high school. I still think he lucked out with a great deal.

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  524. Dave Alex,
    A little while back I asked you for a short list of porn stars you liked. NONE of them are what I would consider having a fat ass or big tits. They seem to me, to be fairly average sized White gals to me (you didn’t have any Black Women listed), so wassup with that?

    Take Pinky-now, SHE has a fat ass.

    Delotta Brown-SHE has big tits.

    So what I’m saying here?

    O

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  525. @Default

    I loooove to cook! (bats eyes rapidly)

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  526. Aoefe,
    In light of your recent comments about the show Mad Men I wanted to ask if you don’t mind: what is your dress size, height/weight, please? As a Black Man I have a different idea of what “curvy” means, and the red haired Woman you spoke of on the show looks rather small and delicate to me.

    I checked out your blog and from what I could tell you seem to be an attractive Woman (a bit shy, are you?). If only we had a full on head to toe pic.

    Just curious.

    O

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  527. I don’t know what I weigh truthfully, I learned a long time ago I spin into obsession with numbers. I do monitor my size. I’m a size 10, with a flatter stomach, I have full breasts (C bordering on D) and hips, my butt is lovely in my own opinion – round ala J-lo. I did do a picture comparing Joan and myself for the blog but then got shy. I didn’t like how the angle showed my butt, felt it was not the most accurate shot. I’ll post it shortly and then hide for a couple of days as dudes are likely to come out of the wood work and attack my lack of skinnyness. I’ll take about five minutes to post it. I’m already fleeing…

    As to Joan, delicate facial features, tiny waist, but lovely hips and most likely a D cup, she’s larger in the bust than I.

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  528. aoefe

    I loooove to cook! (bats eyes rapidly)

    Default leans and whispers “let’s do dinner some time.”

    [You know, I am supposed to be on flirt lock down. Ahh well.]

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  529. @Default

    Aoefe leans in and whispers “Ok, and this flirt is between you and moi, no one else will know (looks over her shoulder) ooops!”

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  530. on June 15, 2009 at 11:09 pm Tupac Chopra

    aoefe:

    I have a really big dick.

    I’m half-hispanic.

    “Default who?”

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  531. on June 15, 2009 at 11:20 pm Marcus Aureliette

    The O Man:
    Now, earlier I spoke about how Denzel routinely gets parts that were meant for White actors, and those movies go on to do very well at the box office (Pelican Brief and The Crimson Tide being examples)?

    Well lookee here-last week’s opening of The Taking Of Pelham 123 stars Denzel in the part that Walter Mathaau had in the original a generation ago-and as we all know, he’s very White, and very Jewish. Denzel changed the role from being a cop to a guy working in the hub of the train station and the story goes from there. It opened #3 bringing in a respectable 25MIL.

    So yea, a Black Bond could most definitely work.

    Sorry, Big O, but you’re wrong on this one. Nobody is saying that a black man can’t be great in a role previously played by a white man. But that’s not what Bond is. It’s not simply that Bond happens to have been white up until now, it’s that the Bond character was conceived as not only a white man, but a white man of a quite specific era and backstory. Even a lower-class British white guy would be inappropriate in the role. You couldn’t have a Cockney Bond, either, even if he were white.

    There’s more to it than just race.

    I’m not arguing the rest of your “race on TV” theories at all, and I’m not saying a black man can’t be a completely kick-ass superspy-type character, or even step into existing superheroes which lack the constraints of Bond’s backstory, as suggested by previous posters. But really, he can’t portray Bond any more than any of Bond’s previous actors could portray Shaft, or than Indiana Jones could be Inuit.

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  532. @tupac

    You made me laugh out loud…thanks!

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  533. to be fairly average sized White gals to me

    Yes, but those porn stars with fake Ds and DD cups are more endowed have larger asses than the average white girl. In contrast, while Pinky has a really fat ass, it’s much too large for my tastes.

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  534. Marcus Aurelette,
    I disagree, since Sean Connery, who is still considered the best Bond ever, was one, NOT Fleming’s choice for the role, and two, had quite a heck of a Cockney sounding accent.

    And again, if we compare the origins of both Bond and Shaft, it is clear to see that Shaft was part of the Blaxploitation era; Bond wasn’t “explicitly White”; Shaft was *explicitly Black*.

    Huge difference.

    Bond is an idea, a concept, about the UK’s role in a post-WW2, Cold War world, a world where its role was tenuous and a bit shaky. It is about the relevance of one of the world’s most powerful empires in a rapidly changing world.

    Shaft was about making BLACK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY BLACK MEN, LOOK GOOD on camera, just like Trouble Man. They were not commentaries on such a large scale as Bond.

    On the grounds of relevance, I win. On the grounds of plausibility, since Black British subjects have been around for centuries, again, I win. And on the grounds that there could indeed be a “Commander Sir” who’s face just happens to be Black, I hit the Trifecta.

    Bond is about keeping the UK relevant. In our era, it means thinking outside of a dead Cold Era world.

    O

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  535. on June 15, 2009 at 11:31 pm GNPs are for Apes

    As a Black Man I have a different idea of what “curvy” means, and the red haired Woman you spoke of on the show looks rather small and delicate to me.

    Obese-dian likes ’em FAT!!

    (and definitely not ‘Phat’, mind you).

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  536. Marcus Aurelette,
    I disagree, since Sean Connery, who is still considered the best Bond ever, was one, NOT Fleming’s choice for the role, and two, had quite a heck of a Cockney sounding accent.

    And again, if we compare the origins of both Bond and Shaft, it is clear to see that Shaft was part of the Blaxploitation era; Bond wasn’t “explicitly White”; Shaft was *explicitly Black*.

    Huge difference.

    Bond is an idea, a concept, about the UK’s role in a post-WW2, Cold War world, a world where its role was tenuous and a bit shaky. It is about the relevance of one of the world’s most powerful empires in a rapidly changing world.

    Shaft was about making BLACK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY BLACK MEN, LOOK GOOD on camera, just like Trouble Man. They were not commentaries on such a large scale as Bond.

    On the grounds of relevance, I win. On the grounds of plausibility, since Black British subjects have been around for centuries, again, I win. And on the grounds that there could indeed be a “Commander Sir” who’s face just happens to be Black, I hit the Trifecta.

    Bond is about keeping the UK relevant. In our era, it means thinking outside of a dead Cold War Era world.

    O

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  537. on June 15, 2009 at 11:36 pm GNPs are for Apes

    2% of British subjects are black.

    4% of British subjects are South Asian. So a South Asian ‘James Bond’ would be more logical (or less illogical) than a black James Bond.

    Bond has been played by Scottish (Connery), Australian (Lazenby), Irish (Brosnan), and Welsh (Dalton) actors.

    But he still HAS to be a white British man. No one can seriously argue this. Bond cannot be black any more than Zorro, Tonto, Tarzan, or Superman can be black.

    No one appears to be agreeing with Obese-dian either.

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  538. Dave Alex,
    The White gals you cited as your fave pornstars all look small to me, but then a Woman’s hips that are under 40″ aint a big booty make; its just a mild swelling.

    Aoefe,
    Thanks for the reply. For most White guys, in public anyways (I think you know as well as I do that there are many White guys who like a curvy gal, they just aint Man enough to say so in public), you’ll do just fine; I would consider you somewhat small. My personal tastes run to the porn stars I mentioned, plus Toccara, Serena Williams, and a certain exotic dancer/model named Scarlett. Stuff like that. And I really couldn’t care less who don’t like it. Skinny chicks don’t make my nature rise, I’m a meat eater.

    Which brings me to the Apeman. A few days ago, I had Brown Sugah, all 5’10” 40DD and serious thighs and hips, calling out for Jesus and reporting to me that she felt like she’d been in a 12 round bout.

    She can’t wait to pay her respects to the Black Monolith in appreciation for her many squirting gspot orgasms this cumming weekend.

    How was your weekend?

    😉

    O

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  539. Apeman,
    One-why do you feel the need to put down what I find attractive? I have noticed this tendency on the part of many White Men here, they will ridicule what Black Men, for example, find attractive? Why? It doesn’t affect your life. Nor do you hear me ridiculing what you or any other White guy here finds alluring-I say more power to ya. Its almost as if my tastes threaten you all, and you’re subconsciously trying to defend against it.

    Two-the percentage of populations aren’t terribly relevant wrt Bond. The point is that Britain’s had a very long history in many countries in Africa, plus the West Indies, including Jamaica, easily millions of people, many of whom are educated in the UK; if they are the children of major Black figuresm they go to schools like Eaton, Oxford and Cambridge, serve in elite military regiments and the like. The have always been Black elites, both in the USA and the UK. And, like I said before, Black soldiers have been Knighted.

    There is no comparison to be made between Bond and Shaft because one is a concept and commentary on the relevance of a empire in a rapidly changing world, whereas another was an explicitly social statement and commentary about Race.

    O

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  540. Apeman,
    One-why do you feel the need to put down what I find attractive? I have noticed this tendency on the part of many White Men here, they will ridicule what Black Men, for example, find attractive? Why? It doesn’t affect your life. Nor do you hear me ridiculing what you or any other White guy here finds alluring-I say more power to ya. Its almost as if my tastes threaten you all, and you’re subconsciously trying to defend against it.

    Two-the percentage of populations aren’t terribly relevant wrt Bond. The point is that Britain’s had a very long history in many countries in Africa, plus the West Indies, including Jamaica, easily millions of people, many of whom are educated in the UK; if they are the children of major Black figuresm they go to schools like Eaton, Oxford and Cambridge, serve in elite military regiments and the like. The have always been Black elites, both in the USA and the UK. And, like I said before, Black soldiers have been Knighted.

    Oh, and I forgot, the Indians and Pakistanis weren’t as assimilated as Blacks were, hence the clearly Anglo names of millions of Black Brits. James Bond as a name could just as easily work for a Black Brit of Jamaican or Ghanian roots as it can of a White Man of Scots-Dutch ancestry.

    There is no comparison to be made between Bond and Shaft because one is a concept and commentary on the relevance of a empire in a rapidly changing world, whereas another was an explicitly social statement and commentary about Race.

    O

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  541. PA – In that sense, she is a normal person. I don’t recall her saying that she’d actively murder people.

    Lady Rain on June 15, 2009 at 2:48 pm:

    If I were living in Nazi Germany and I had basically the choice to hate jews and live or to not hate jews and die just like they did, guess what….I’d kill some jews.

    The way she says it even pisses me off. It’s the attitude. She’s not saying “I would work in the factories but hate what the Nazis were doing.” I wouldn’t have jumped in her shit for that. I would have commented, but not been angry. Nope, she’s saying “I would hate Jews and kill some Jews” like it’s no big deal. She wouldn’t just cooperate in some factory to keep the government off her back, no, she would hate and kill just for comfort.

    The more I think about her posts and attitude on this topic, the more I think there’s some Nazi sympathies or anti-semetism some where in her family tree.

    Also, there was a story of an Iraqi athlete undergoing grisly tortures under Hussein’s regime. When his tormentor took a short break, the horrifically-abused athlete pleaded to his butcher, “why are you doing this to me?”

    The torturer looked at him with something like compassion, and said something like “because if I don’t keep whippng you, it will be me on this table.”

    You do what you can to help the victim escape. If that means you have to take your own life to avoid the torture chamber at the end, you do it.

    Or fuck it, follow orders and torture/kill innocents. But when death comes knocking on your door, accept it like man. Don’t cry to anyone or ask for any mercy. The German people acted so proud, but they were really just a bunch of fucking cowards. Cowards before their government first, then cowards before their conquerers who sought to judge their actions. “We were just following orders!” No, you made a choice, now accept the consequences.

    Also from Lady “Kill Some Jews” 2:48 pm post: Now, I agree that the high officers and facilitators of the Holocaust should be punished, the fact that 85 year old men who are discovered NOW are being charged for Nazi war crimes is bulllllllshit at it’s finest.

    It’s called justice you silly little bimbo. 85 year old prisoners of the Nazi torture machine weren’t shown any mercy, Jewish or not. So why should 85 year old Nazi officers be shown any mercy? The fact that they probably see a cushy prison or a suspended sentence instead of the concentration camps and ovens their victims saw is more mercy than they deserve.

    Sorry PA if I seem to be on a righteous rant, but this shit just hit a nerve and pissed me off. I’m avoiding extrapolating it to women kind because while some women I know would answer that they would protect their kids, they would say in the same breath how horrible it would be and how they would hate themselves for it. They wouldn’t jump up and down saying “I would hate Jews! I would kill them to!”

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  542. on June 16, 2009 at 12:15 am GNPs are for Apes

    One-why do you feel the need to put down what I find attractive? I have noticed this tendency on the part of many White Men here, they will ridicule what Black Men, for example, find attractive? Why?

    Humor. You can blame Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy (for his Klumps, Norbit, and other concepts), Eddie Griffin, Paul Mooney, and just about every other black comedian who uses the ‘Yo Mamma so Fat’ routine. I still laugh when I think about Eddie Murphy’s ‘Gluteus Minimis’ bit.

    It is just too funny to pass up.

    Second, the percentages of population ARE relevant. If only 2% of Brits are black, then making James Bond black makes about as much sense as making Superman Filipino-American.

    The fact that Daniel Craig had blonde hair (despite being an Englishman nonetheless) was itself a source of controversy among fans. The fans don’t even want the hair to be blond on a white British Bond. There is no chance in hell of James Bond being black. The films have to make money, after all, in countries a lot more racist than the US/UK.

    They made Felix Leiter black, both in 1983 and now. You should be happy with that – don’t get too greedy.

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  543. Apeman,
    Humor? First off all, I never expressed an interest for Women the size of the Murphy gross stereotype in Norbit (the movie was an abyssmal failure, in part due to said stereotype); plus size doesn’t automatically equate to beach ball. As I often say I like em Zaftig, not Zeppelin. There’s a difference.

    And in any event, why can’t you just live and let live? You don’t hear me complaining about the dating preferences of White guys for rail thin skinny Asian chicks w/non-existent behinds, or for White girls, literally, since often so many White guys our age like em still in their teens, and so on. I could have a field day w/all that and more in the name of “humor” but I don’t because one, its immature and sophmoric, two, it doesn’t affect my life one way or another, and three how does it actually contribute to the conversation?

    For example, I notice you didn’t answer my question, Apeman: I said this past weekend I was busy gettin’ busy-what did you do? And, while you’re giving us a report, you can also add to the discussion about Game, like I have. In fact, I can’t ever recall you having one constructive comment on the matter. Not. One. Something that could be of import to others here like my conversation eariler with Tood. You don’t do that, instead you spend your time making like a drunk frat boy. I wonder why.

    As for the Bond issue, I am more than cool with agreeing to disagree-but if you wanna make a big deal about numbers, OK-there are more British subjects of the Crown who are Black than the whole population of Scotland. Felix what’s his name is irrelevant. And in case you didn’t get the memo, we have a Black President.

    Anything is possible. Get used to it.

    Holla back

    O

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