Sexbotopia!

It’s coming.

Robo-wife Aiko starts the day by reading Le the main newspaper headlines.

The couple often go for a drive in the countryside, where Aiko proves a whizz at directions.

And they always sit down for dinner together in the evening, although Aiko doesn’t have much of an appetite.

Le says his relationship with Aiko hasn’t strayed into the bedroom, but a few “tweaks” could turn her into a sexual partner.

Le said: “Her software could be redesigned to simulate her having an orgasm.”

I’d bet good money this guy is sticking his peen somewhere in Aiko.

[Inventor Le Trung] said: “Aiko doesn’t need holidays, food or rest, and will work almost 24 hours a day. She is the perfect woman.”

For many beta nerds, the no muss no fuss woman is their idea of perfection.

Aiko sparks mixed reactions in public.

Le said: “Women usually try to talk to her. But men always want to touch her, and if they do it the wrong way she slaps them.”

In this post, I described how our future sexbotopia would shake up the alpha-beta, male-female playing field.

Betas (niceguys with a heart of gold and zero sex appeal) – the more frustrated betas will retreat from the dating scene to be with their sexbots.  They’ll not opt out completely, though.  Having a decent job and a willingness to help raise a family is still a form of buying power.  I see sexbots for betas dissuading them from learning the art of seduction, thus making them even more ineffectual in the field as their already-meager skills atrophy.  He might think to himself, “what’s the point of dealing with the frustrations and delayed gratification of dating mediocre looking women for subpar sex when I have a Rachel Weisz sexbot waiting at home for me?”  A big negative feedback loop could result, where the lower status betas exercise their sexbot option with increasing regularity until they have excluded themselves completely from bothering with meeting women.

Readers doubted such a future could ever come to pass, but if Aiko has to be programmed to slap away men wanting to cop a feel of her robot body, then given the rapid advances in robotics, it’s not farfetched to envision a world where fully 70% of all men (sub alpha and lower) choose to get their rocks off with hot good-to-go robot girls instead of bland game-playing human girls. If present trends continue, and huge swaths of fertile-age women are overweight in the future, then beta males will have all the more incentive to abandon the live dating market in favor of the mechanical one.

What this means for women is self-evident: A cratering of their market position. And a beaver boon to alphas and aspiring alphas. At first, I predict women will welcome their sexbot replacements. The argument will be along these lines: “Hey, if it means annoying losers stop bothering me and only cool men are left to date, I’m all for it!” Gradually, though, as the fallout from sexbotopia emerges, these women will change their tune when simple mathematics has them being used like discount bin cum receptacles by the 30% of alpha men willing to overlook the inconvenience of their targets being human and looting the sexual store for all the free pussy they can carry out. The hypergamy and soft polygamy of today will become the de facto harems and hard polygamy of tomorrow. Marriage will become an anachronism. There will be more lesbian marriage announcements in the New York Times than all other marriage types combined.

Slowly, the tide will turn against sexbots. Women will grow resentful as it dawns on them that their alpha orgasms cum with a price; namely, disposability. There is only so much cock sharing a woman can endure before emotional distress cripples her ability to function like a normal member of society. At this point, I foresee women clamoring loudly for incredible levels of government nanny state intervention to act as beta male provider for their millions of bastard alpha children. Tax rates will zoom through the roof, targeted, naturally, mostly at the beta males happily fornicating into their Natalia Vodianova robots. The economy withers. Crime explodes.

Then the real shit hits the fan. Problem: Sexbots can’t reproduce. Result: None of those beta males who invent stuff like sexbots and cell phones — the kinds of stuff women have no inclination to invent nor shown any capability to invent in the past — will pass on their genes. The more sexbots infiltrate society, the fewer civilizational underpinning beta males will be born. Eventually, the whole technological edifice crumbles, taking the sexbots along with it, and a dystopia of smooth-talking salesmen and peacocked PUAs are left behind to scavenge the scarred savannah of snapper. The West will be reduced to a violent, dreary landscape of African and Central Asian-style tribal conflict, complete with gauche warlords and prison complexes that rival small nations in scope.

You’re shaking your head. Don’t believe me? Thought experiment. Who wins the battle supreme to capture male attention:

 aikodowdy

VS.





Comments


  1. The sexbot is fake and is basically a pair of speakers and motors with a few prerecorded messages. But yeah, ugly women can go fuck themselves.

    Though you do miss the part where the sexbots become advanced to be selfaware and selfimproving and subsequntly quickly kill off all humans.

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  2. Once they make European, Latino, or Near-Eastern sexbots, I’ll be game for it. Brazilian will be especially nice.

    I’m sorry, but Asian women don’t do it for me. What the hell is their appeal, anyway? On average, they have no curves, no ass, and no tits; in other words, they have none of the features that make an attractive female. What the hell is this obsession with them? I bet it’s a combination of PC and loser white guys who can’t get with their own (more attractive) women.

    Another theory I have is that Asian women satisfy the inner pedophile in many guys (hey, a chick w/ no hair and no curves, just like a pre-pubescent child!!!). This also explains the seemingly inexplicable appeal of the Olsen twins.

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  3. Wow, the woman on the right would be considered a “5” in my neck of the woods.

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  4. Farmlegend – go chop those woods down NOW!

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  5. We have only bits and pieces of information but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marvelled at our own magnficance as we gave birth to AI.

    – Morpheus, The Matrix

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  6. I don’t think anyone would want to give a sex-bot greater than human level intelligence, at least not in any areas other than cooking creativity and praise-giving creativity.a

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  7. Also, why does that robot have it’s mouth hanging open like that? Who would make themselves a retarded robot?

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  8. AS one with only rudimentary game, I’d be happy to land all the blond orcas as on the right as society could produce. SouuuuuuuuuuuuWEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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  9. You failed to mention the various types of body modifications, drug fueled crash diets, and increase in eating disorders as women try to compensate for the sudden fluctuation in the market.

    This would also bring about a gradual change in the attitudes of American women. They’d be forced to acquire the long lost art of “cooking,” among other skills most American women don’t have a clue on these days.

    Farmlegend – a 5? Damn, and I thought my area was bad…

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  10. A definition of an 0 m e g a male: his sexbot says to him “let’s just be friends.”

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  11. If this ever hits the market, feminists will get involved, claim the robot is sexist for making men too happy and demand a legislatively mandated “nag, bitch and moan” feature installed in all new models.

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  12. on December 12, 2008 at 10:44 am Christopher Tracy

    Roissy is right to a degree. I don’t predict the type of calamity he expects, but I would rather have relations with a sexbot instead of trying to woo a woman. The latter is just much too tiresome, complicated, mentally painful, and not very enjoyable.

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  13. A definition of an 0 m e g a male: his sexbot says to him “let’s just be friends.”

    HA HAA!

    demand a legislatively mandated “nag, bitch and moan” feature installed in all new models

    double HA HAA!

    The latter is just much too tiresome, complicated, mentally painful, and not very enjoyable.

    that all goes away once you stop playing the game by her rules.

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  14. If sexbots become a reality, they will be outlawed or heavily restricted in order to preserve female sexual market value.

    Roissy, your logic is probably correct insofar as it goes, but it assumes that sexbots wouldn’t be outlawed (and they probably would be).

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  15. Women grow resentful………

    They take to the streets to demand the manufacturer produces male robots, Single professional women drive sales through the roof, five years later a class action lawsuit is filed against the manufacturer for emotional distress and loss of quality of life due to frustration at the robot for not being able to fulfill fantasies that the owners are not able to describe but can only feel.

    The sexbot industry is hit by falling stock prices and heads to Washington for relief.

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  16. “If sexbots become a reality, they will be outlawed or heavily restricted in order to preserve female sexual market value.”

    Under the guise of protecting the sexbots from “silicon slavery”…

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  17. If sexbots become a reality, they will be outlawed or heavily restricted in order to preserve female sexual market value.

    Once they outlaw sexbots or heavily restrict them in order to preserve female sexual value like you predict, that will of course lead to various black market models programmed with every sick, deviant fetish you can imagine. I’m sure the Russian black market sexbot will be the ultimate prize, but it will also be programmed to monitor your bank account at all times and leave when it falls below a certain level.

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  18. ok, i have a question for ya’ll…

    what if sexbots are better lays? seriously… what if they can give you a blowjob like NONE OTHER. what if their pussies consistently feel like a 16-year olds. always wet, never smells like festering bacteria, and best of all, never bleeds for a week once a month.

    i dunno man… it’ll be weird to give one a try and have your mind (and cock) be completely fucking blown.

    you’re absolutely right, shit is gonna get weird…

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  19. The more sexbots infiltrate society, the fewer civilizational underpinning beta males will be born. Eventually, the whole technological edifice crumbles, taking the sexbots along with it, and a dystopia of smooth-talking salesmen and peacocked PUAs are left behind to scavenge the scarred savannah of snapper, etc

    You had me until here. I don’t see sexbots ever causing this.

    They better come out with a hot-blond Caucasian model because I’m not interested in a dark haired Asian model.

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  20. oh man, corn-holing a sexbot might be pretty fucking sweet…

    meh, i have to wonder if latex will ever be able to feel as good as real flesh. i guess we’ll see before too long.

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  21. You think my old lady will let me buy one, to use during “that time of the month”?

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  22. @ Stone

    “let”?

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  23. @JAM
    Well, alpha or no, I want to see the man of steel who shows up home from Black Friday with a sexbot and says to his wife “Honey, it was on sale”…

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  24. Well, alpha or no, I want to see the man of steel who shows up home from Black Friday with a sexbot and says to his wife “Honey, it was on sale”…

    Good point.

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  25. on December 12, 2008 at 11:33 am Sgt. Joe Friday

    Won’t be any laws passed to get rid of these things. Obama or a subsequent Democrat president will have the FDA or the Consumer Products Safety Council do an “investigation” and come up with some bogus findings that these things are “dangerous.” Then the ambulance chasers will get involved and start suing the manufacturers, at which point the bluenoses on the right and the man-hating feminist left will pile on.

    The robot manufacturers don’t stand a chance.

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  26. on December 12, 2008 at 11:45 am Carlos From Anaheim

    “Problem: Sexbots can’t reproduce. Result: None of those beta males who invent stuff like sexbots and cell phones — the kinds of stuff women have no inclination to invent nor shown any capability to invent in the past — will pass on their genes.”

    What about when human cloning along with genetic engineering thereof becomes a possibility? This gives the chance for these beta nerds to have it all.

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  27. I welcome our cold Sexy mechanical overlords with that metallic icy death grip. Bring on the AutoErotic Decapitation!

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  28. C’mon, Roissy – sexbots would only be interesting to men like us if they’d come with the twisted psychology of live human females.

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  29. What about those robot designers who are alpha males? Is that totally outside your realm of possibility?

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  30. Porn and feminism go hand in hand. The one mops up the excess male desire created by the unfettered female hypergamy created by the other. We have gone so far down the pornification route that it is going to be extremely difficult to find a justification for banning sexbots. There are no arguments against sexbots that could not be used against porn. “The state had no business in the bedrooms of the nation” has become an such an integral part of our ideology that our elites are going to lose an awful lot of face if they back down from it.

    Also unmentioned in all this is the role of religious groups who have opted out of the sexual revolution. Religious conservatives already out reproduce the general population. Will the advent of sexbots create even more of a differential? Will the only guys who settle down to raise families be those who deny themselves sexbots on religious grounds?

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  31. There will be no artificial male sexbots because women can find a natural one in any college Freshman lecture hall, near a military base, or if they’re advernturous, in any rough neighborhood.

    Supposedly Madonna used to ride in her limo through Puerto Rican parts of New York and pick up and dump off random studs for quickies.

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  32. C’mon, Roissy – sexbots would only be interesting to men like us if they’d come with the twisted psychology of live human females.

    All guys appreciate female bodies. Not all guys appreciate female personalities. Furthermore, many aspergery guys don’t care for any human interaction much at all, so, as Roissy has noted, an impersonal, completely passive partner will suit them just fine.

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  33. May I point out that this apocalyptic future is unlikely? The more likely 25 yr scenario is the following:

    (1) Development of powerful weight loss drugs, which coupled with modest excersize, will return us to most women being slim again and with the median girl being at least a 7. Markets create their own demand and solutions. A weight loss drug doesn’t have the developmental complications of cancer therapy.

    (2) Development of HIV vaccine, herpes vaccine and next-gen HPV vaccines, removing the STD issues from human sexuality which will engender new freedom to fuck.

    (3) We will bounce off this socialism bullshit into a much freer economic universe which will empower even more women and provide more resources to productive betas.

    (4) The proliferation of Game knowledge will move from its successful beginning into exponential growth to saturation over this time frame. Women will adapt to this development by evaluating men on their merits and not on the female’s biologically hard-wired rationalizations. Because beta supremacy runs the productive sphere of economy, it’s the non-productive alphas that will have a hard time coping. The rich alpha of course, will have no major issues as he will continue to liberally enjoy hot ass.

    (5) Sexbots will outcompete the bottom 10% of femaledom for productive betas with no sex appeal. Point (4) ensures that the rest of betas will manage to snag an acceptable wife.

    (6) All of the above will create a larger spectrum of sexual activity and combinations of partner arrangements.

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  34. @carlos,
    you beat me to the more likely scenario,— trumped by women.

    Men follow the sexbot scenario that Rossy outlined. 🙂 The followers are quickly extinguished.
    Women readily study and research in the biological sciences: medicine, genetics, reproductive endocrinology, ect. We women exit the evolutionary tree to our own wonderfully delightful world of clones of ourselves and select dutiful men. We select and clone men for obedience, social charm, and warm strong hands. 🙂

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  35. This post needs to be made into a movie ( preferably with an NC-17 or X rating ). Would accept a well drawn comic book too.

    Question:

    Assuming the normal rapid advancement, this crude robot could be 50 times more realistic in just five years. At that point what would prevent it from autonomously answering Roissy’s Graig’s List ad ( http://roissy.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/my-craigslist-pickup-ad/ )?

    Little Geek Girl bot reads and responds to ad, Roissy after a few drinks, doesn’t notice its not human and bangs it ( repeatedly ) while it perfectly performs the hyper-specific instructions.

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  36. Another theory I have is that Asian women satisfy the inner pedophile in many guys (hey, a chick w/ no hair and no curves, just like a pre-pubescent child!!!).

    That’s why perverts just can’t tolerate the idea of a thick, rick, luxuriant GNP.

    Peter

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  37. Child support payments anyone?

    I cannot fathom a way around child support for men who want to have harems. If two of your ex’s decide to go with another alpha male, that means 35% or so of your take-home pay will be taken away from you, and the kids will be put on your insurance. That is in effect half of your earnings since child support isn’t tax-deductible. There is no way around this, and until there is any man marrying several women at once, even if legalized, is taking a big financial risk.

    The multiple wives also, may not be happy with just getting to have one kid each. If one marries three women, each woman might want to have two kids, or even three kids, meaning any female leaving the union would be taking A LOT of money in child support (and alimony) from the male. The math simply does not work for this kind of arrangement. If a man has tight game perhaps he can hold it together, but women develop rivalries with each other, and other alpha males aren’t going to stop hitting on them. I just dont see how this could ever actually really work in practice. I also dont see feminist ever allowing it to happen anyway, so its a moot point.

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  38. Thursday – I guess you’re right:

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  39. Let me expound upon the superiority of Japanese women. Great skin, age well, have a brain, know how to treat men with respect, and you can find them with curves.

    The GNP crowd would be pleased – where is this “no hair” myth coming from anyway? Personal experience with a statistically valid sample size says it isn’t so.

    All you miss is blond hair, if you give a rats rear about that. I’ll never go back, but you please yourselves.

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  40. Women readily study and research in the biological sciences: medicine, genetics, reproductive endocrinology, ect. We women exit the evolutionary tree to our own wonderfully delightful world of clones of ourselves and select dutiful men. We select and clone men for obedience, social charm, and warm strong hands.

    my scenario is more likely than yours.
    so solly.

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  41. z, the male birth control pill, which is likely to become a reality quite soon if perfected would solve the child support dilemma before it really is a problem.

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  42. Why would they be made illegal? Whats the difference between them and the Real Doll, which is already prohibitively expensive. You overestimate the power of this imaginary population of people who would give a shit enough to outlaw it, and wildly overestimate the affordability of a sexually arousing cyborg, while altogether ignoring the whole social stigma behind it. Given the right situation, I might try out a Real Doll just for kicks, but owning one? Forever replacing real females with it? No way dude.

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  43. El Guapo,
    Your argument hinges on the assumption that (1) most betas will become alphas, and that (2) as a result, women will quit being in thrall to their emotions.

    As for (1) – I have friends who have read the Game, and I’ve recommended and forwarded all sorts of materials to them, yet they make only half-assed attempts, and don’t put their all into it and risk themselves. Game ‘converts’ a good number of betas, but there are still tons more who don’t change even after contact with game.

    As for (2), if (1) were true, (2) is not necessary to producing the outcome you predict. If betas=alphas, betas will sate women’s reptilian desires.

    And the prevalence of obesity is a contributing, but not necessary factor. A decline in obesity means a sex bot would be an ‘upgrade’ for fewer men, as their options are better.

    Even if your assumptions are correct, you neglect to realize that most men are not romantics like Roissy here; if bots can get their rocks off just as well, without all the bullshit that a woman brings to a table, many men would be more than satisfied with ’em.

    Todd, what metric are you using to get 50x? According to Moore’s law, it would take ~11 years to get that level of improvement (doubling every 2 years).

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  44. I disagree.

    The ultra-religious reproduce at a staggering rate already.

    We would not have a windswept, savage savanna. We would have an iron-fisted theocracy.

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  45. Basil, you make some great points that are similar to things I’ve been wondering. I’ve been wondering, general question for y’all: how many betas who read The Game will make any positive changes? I worked with one of the worst betas I ever met, and I considered recommending The Game to him. Before I did it, he revealed to me in an unrelated conversation that he already read it and was a big fan! Yet he seemed to have internalized NONE of it. He still kissed ass, etc.

    Then there are the ones who pursued pickup with a messianic fervor, memorizing routines and reading every ebook out there and approaching often, but still suck. They just come off really creepy. Some people study this stuff and excel at it, and it really helps them, but there are many people who just come off creepy and desperate no matter how badly they try.

    So I’m curious, what do you guys think is the ratio between people who excel after exposure to game, people who see some improvement after exposure to game, and people who just become creepy, ineffective approach machines with zero results (the “social robots” Neil Strauss warns about?

    I think maybe only 10% of people who undertake game have the aptitude and discipline to really become superstars. I think at LEAST 40% must see SOME tangible improvement though.

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  46. fake in hand worth too real in the bush

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  47. Great question. After all, theoretically anyone can learn a matial art — cheap classes have been around for 50 years — and yet we don’t have a generation of guys who walk around like they can kick everyone’s ass. Most can’t. You point to a natural ceiling of motivation and aptitude, which will limit the extent of Game’s spread.

    Game is probably extremely helpful for

    (A) latent Alphas who had internalized society’s message that women like “nice guys” — looking back at my successes and failures during my teens and 20s, I put myself in that category; and

    (B) extremely motivated Betas and heroically motivated 0 m e g a s, assuming a decent preexisting level of ability to relate to other humans. But most people don’t have those levels of motivation.

    All in all, Game will likely be a limited commodity, just slightly more of it than in previous decades.

    Great point about cases of Game turning inoffensive nerds into creepy nerds.

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  48. Here’s something I think about whenever the topic of sexbots comes up: will underage sexbots be legal, and if demand for them turns out to be high, how will society react to that? I’ve long suspected that many of us, no matter how reluctant we are to admit it, if given a choice would sooner get jiggy with the cute 14 year old next door than even the hottest 25 year old.

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  49. T,

    I agree with your percentages.

    PA,

    Also agreed on your categories, though there are of course subsets, etc.

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  50. on December 12, 2008 at 1:29 pm Christopher Tracy

    @Roissy

    “that all goes away once you stop playing the game by her rules.”

    I think I have been, and even with all this game playing, pussy still eludes me. I’m too shy to initiate physical contact, and making meaningless small talk women I’ve just met bores me. I welcome the development of sexbots so that I won’t have to bother with playing games anymore.

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  51. T:
    Nerd nerds, the kind that don’t much like people and would rather be playing World of Warcraft, may be hopeless. Game seems to provide the most improvement to those Steve Sailer calls people nerds. They already have some social skills and a genuine interest in people.

    Still, game requires considerable intelligence and discipline to implement, so some nerdy traits may actually be helpful. I think that less intelligent guys are not going to be able to get much out of it. If you are dumb, you either have it or you don’t. You aren’t going to be able to absorb all the necessary information.

    We all have known people who seem pretty normal and friendly, but somehow inexplicably suck ass with women. I was one of them. I had tons of female friends, and by that I mean genuine friends, not girls who used me as an emotional tampon. But I just didn’t know how to recognize when a girl was into me and what to do when she was. Now I know.

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  52. @ T

    So I’m curious, what do you guys think is the ratio between people who excel after exposure to game, people who see some improvement after exposure to game, and people who just become creepy, ineffective approach machines with zero results (the “social robots” Neil Strauss warns about?

    I think maybe only 10% of people who undertake game have the aptitude and discipline to really become superstars. I think at LEAST 40% must see SOME tangible improvement though.

    I was a founding member of a lair before I got engaged; I’ve also coached some guys over the years.

    Basically 50% of guys from the general population don’t believe game is real; 40% think it might be cool, but then don’t do anything. 10% might be motivated to try something. <1% actually keep it up for long, and 0.01% actually become ‘good’.

    I tried introducing game to guys whom I though needed it… it was pushing on a rope. I now only talk about game with (a) alphas, whether naturals or the very rare learned natural; or (b) guys who specifically come to me for advice. Otherwise I’m wasting time that could be more productively spent on things that increase my net worth and net happiness.

    The worst part is when guys *see* what I, a former nerd, can do… but then they treat it like a movie… and then get back to moaning about how they can’t find girls. I’ve given up now dealing with anyone who’s less than fully motivated. I’ll be their friend, but I won’t talk about game with them.

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  53. on December 12, 2008 at 1:34 pm Christopher Tracy

    @T

    What is the differentiation between a girl who uses a man as an emotional tampon and a genuine female friend?

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  54. Game makes one more extroverted, but it can’t make a weird guy cool, or even normal.

    I imagine weird guys I know, and I can’t see how game would improve them. (Strangely enough, there is a PUA who seems like a total fag, but claims great success, Mehow. ) Like PA said, the weird nerd in the corner is now a loud repulsive creep, post-game. See Barry Kirkey/Extramask on the internet show “The Men’s Room” for another example.

    Game can work wonders for a guy who’s normal, but shy, and fenced in by limiting beliefs. You have to admit to yourself first that you want sex and you have to change to get it.

    Some guys won’t put themselves out there because they fear their insecurities will be validated by rejection. They’ll half-heartedly deny that they actually want sex, while continuing to masturbate to porn.

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  55. What is the differentiation between a girl who uses a man as an emotional tampon and a genuine female friend?

    whether he wants to fuck her.

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  56. Seriously? Sexbots?

    I think somebody needs to kick that guy’s ass.

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  57. What is the differentiation between a girl who uses a man as an emotional tampon and a genuine female friend?

    One won’t give you a ride to the airport and the other one will.

    I’ve had a few “genuine female friends” in the past but in retrospect all of them had a crush on me and I either wasn’t interested in them that way or didn’t pick up on it.

    One in fact was a longtime friend with whom I’ve had very satisfying two-hour long phone conversations with on a regular basis for nearly 20 years, starting in junior high school. She cut off all contact with me when I got married.

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  58. Game makes one more extroverted, but it can’t make a weird guy cool, or even normal.

    it can, but it would require a level of commitment and ego-bruising self awareness that most of these weirdos are unable or unwilling to assume.

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  59. @ Stone

    @JAM
    Well, alpha or no, I want to see the man of steel who shows up home from Black Friday with a sexbot and says to his wife “Honey, it was on sale”…

    LOL. Point taken.

    … and it would take a couple of brass basketballs to say “Honey, I got two-for-one!”

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  60. T-Raw,
    The deal is that People in general are afraid of Change. It scares the Hell outta folks. And hence, why things in general, and wrt the folks you talked about, are the way they are.

    As we both know, one of thee biggest stumbling blocks for a Man, whether he’s a PUA or not, is in dealing with Rejection from a Woman. And if you don’t know how to deal, it will break you. Trust me I’ve seen it and I’m sure, so have you.

    Well, that fear of Rejection is so strong in so many Men that they won’t even try, even while they have the Skeleton Key. Like your Beta Boy at work. I know quite a few guys like that, one of whom I call Omegatron.

    I call him that because despite all kinds of help and advice he gets in this regard, he cannot shake his One-itis and get with the business of living Life. And the really sad part is that he’s only 21 years old, and is talking openly of killing himself. He drinks himself into a stupor and wakes up in a pool of his own vomit amidst broken beer bottles and streaks of blood from where he stumbled on it barefoot while drunk and feeling sorry for himself.

    Man, I basically wrote an e-book of my own on Game without really realizing it for this dude, because I care about him, and it was based mainly on my own experiences over the past decade or so. From Soup to Nuts, T-Deportment & Dress, how to handle The Friend Zone, Approaches & Rap, you name it.

    And, Nothing.

    And it really hurts to watch this, man. Man wasn’t meant to suffer such a Fate.
    So, yea, that’s the deal in my view, Ricky. Some of us got it. Some of us get it. And some of us, just won’t.

    Damn.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  61. I’d rather chow down on the not so pretty pussy of a real woman than a hair covered piece of silicon any day! I dont think sexbots is going to change the wotld;we laready HAVE sexbots,theyre called whores!!

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  62. whores bring disease, risk of arrest, are usually not very pretty unless you shell out mucho bucks, and charge per the hour or sex act.

    sexbots have no disease worries, no legal issues, will be spec’ed to the hottest babes, and have just one up front cost + minor maintenance. plus, they can be ravaged in the privacy of your home.

    it’s no contest.

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  63. on December 12, 2008 at 2:36 pm The King of Canada

    I’ve been reading this blog for a while now and theres somethiing i gotta ask.

    Peter, WHAT THE FUCK do you want a hairy cunt for?

    Does it keep you warm at night?
    Does it remind you of a beloved lost pet?
    Is is cheaper than dental floss?
    For fuck sakes man, WHY?

    P.S. All bow before me, for I am the Lord of The North

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  64. Also, remember it’s a f*cking J-curve, I have semi-decent game and an okay vibe and yet I’m still physically differently-abled (kyphosis, I’m a f*cking hunchback) with an attractive face, and I still only manage 1 phone number for every 100 approaches. Up from 1 in 500. Women are totally, utterly sincere about wanting only the top men, and they will let you know it in a heartbeat if they find you lacking.

    Also, finding out how f*cking weird I looked and acted when I was utterly clueless was unbelievably painful and I am (to a certain extent) haunted even to this day. Ironically, had I been able to pay attention to the women who spontaneously liked me, and read signals, I would have done much better than 1 in 500.

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  65. Who wins the battle supreme to capture male attention:

    Uh….neither?

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  66. This movie has been made. In Ghost in the Shell: Innocence, the Section 9 cops are called in to investigate the manufacturer of a line of android sex dolls that are wigging out and killing their johns.

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  67. Age is everything for women. Roissy makes fun of the woman on the right. But she is just an average middleaged woman. I bet that when she was 15 she was very fuckeable.

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  68. the best part is the claim that aiko is a virgin and that he hasn’t slept with her. hilarity.

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  69. I disagree Roissy —

    There are other likely interim scenarios (you are spot on regarding the end-game, it’s been my belief all along that is where we are headed).

    Pheremones. What if you could create a scent, perfume, or whatever to make women fall into passion with you? Imagine that! Then anti-Pheremone drugs or whatever. To prevent women being manipulated. Then perhaps cloning women, and accelerated growth, to create a woman who would fall in love with the paying beta customer by genetic design.

    A real, biological woman will have MORE sex appeal than a series of latex coverings powered by motors. Biology is just too strong. I don’t see sexbots as having much appeal.

    Nixon — the Olsen Twins are popular (or were) with tween girls who looked on them as idols. They are now tabloid fixtures about weight/anorexia scandals, Ledger, spending, etc. Men find them about as attractive as Britney Spears (currently).

    Outlawing technology? That’s like holding back the sea. It’ll work out about as good as it did for Canute. It will be like drugs or guns or what have you.

    El Guapo — rule of thumb for human behavior: all societies have to deal with male competition for women. Hypergamy leads to merely increased male competition with violence flooding in sooner or later in some form or another, with reduced investment by males in women and children.

    Anony — cloning is likely to be illegal and a black market activity, given the high amount of defective/birth defects embryos and dead fetuses the technique produces. Certain high-income women (movie stars, etc) CAN likely afford it, but many will not (think a ready supply of coke, likely the same price point). Women are unlikely to study the genetics part of what is required for efficient and low cost cloning since they abjured for the most part very difficult science, filled with math and spatial concepts, as genetics and genetic engineering (as distinct from medicine) really is. Nearly all geneticists are male, while half of Med School students are women.

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  70. BTW what do you guys think of “Magic Bullets” the manual by Savoy? Its $68,for just an e-book.

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  71. @Mu Min

    > Man, I basically wrote an e-book of my own on Game without really realizing it

    Mu — I respect your views a lot. You are consistently concise, insightful, and tell it like it is.

    You wouldn’t happen to have an e-copy of that e-book taking up space on your hard drive, would you? In particular, since you are one of those rare people who inductively figured out game without being influenced by all the pre-existing community material, I’d be particularly interesting in reading your book.

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  72. Women rival for alphas.
    Sexbots are for betas.

    Since betas are out of the market anyways, this will have little effect on the main mating market.

    That’s why this post triggered less heated debated among the female audience than the “above size 2 or age 30 you’re an ugly fuck” posts on this blog. This is where Roissy hits the female weakspot.

    It might have an effect on the marriage market, though. David Alexander might not get married after all.

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  73. “But men always want to touch her, and if they do it the wrong way she slaps them.””

    Mental image of inventor-guy randomly poking robo-cunt about the body with his rod while she slaps him and he falls deeper and deeper in love.

    Shudders.

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  74. off topic but if you go out on a thursday and meet a girl that was a solid 7.5-8 at a restaurant through a friend of a friend and then went to a bar after, had some intense convo and some time apart, number crunched and got her digiits, do you call friday or after that, please note i am not in a monogmous relatinoship but am laying the pipe to another chick so this just builds the franchise out more. is it beta or alpha to call the next day to schedule a date next week and be aggresive about getting into her pants? does it reek of desparity or show i am not self concious about said “rules” and am confident?

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  75. and in reference to Roissy’s trip up north….not all middle-aged women look like that sow in the post. many other countries where chicks know that they’ve value devalues every day…work hard to maintain as much of the hotness quotient as they can.

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  76. What is the differentiation between a girl who uses a man as an emotional tampon and a genuine female friend?

    I kinda like being used as an emotional tampon. It makes me feel useful and it’s rather cheap too. 🙂

    I’ve had a few “genuine female friends” in the past but in retrospect all of them had a crush on me

    In theory, if I look back at my female friends, a good number of the women were either the Queens that I thought were better than me, or girls who had crushes on me that I either dismissed or viewed as trashy girls trying to aim upward.

    Game is probably extremely helpful for

    Didn’t I say game works for some men, but not for all men? I’d argue that my Russian friend meets catagory A from your post.

    Of course I could write a long post, but I’ll just admit that I’m probably in the group that’s too lazy and unwilling to implement game, along with the fact that I’d rather be the “real me” than to put on some perpetual fake image to a date, girlfriend, and wife for next fifty years of my life to appeal to her. If you don’t like the real attention-whoring, momma’s boy, self-deprecating, neurotic, and perpetually passive aggressive David Alexander, then, yes, I would prefer the girl to look elsewhere.

    Fun Question: Last night, non-date g/f and I were in the mall, and I met an old co-worker from a previous job. He had asked if she was my “girlfriend”, and I said she’s just a co-worker. Afterward, she said that I should have said that she was my girlfriend which left me wondering why she’d want to do that.

    Of course, like a good beta attention whore, I’d like the opinions on the situation from the wise men of the message board…

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  77. Afterward, she said that I should have said that she was my girlfriend which left me wondering why she’d want to do that.

    Why not just ask her?

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  78. roissy:

    Readers doubted such a future could ever come to pass, but if Aiko has to be programmed to slap away men wanting to cop a feel of her robot body, then given the rapid advances in robotics, it’s not farfetched to envision a world where fully 70% of all men (sub alpha and lower) choose to get their rocks off with hot good-to-go robot girls instead of bland game-playing human girls.

    You’re getting carried away too much with silly newspaper stories. As usual, journalists are abysmally ignorant about technology, and at the same time eager to top each other with cheap sensationalism. In reality, the technology necessary to provide anything resembling actual sex with a woman is still wildly infeasible, and I would bet good money that it will stay so for the rest of our lifetimes. We won’t even see anything convincingly crossing the the uncanny valley anytime soon. I’m not saying that quality sexbots will never appear, but even if they do, it will take so much time that it makes no sense to extrapolate from the present social trends so far into the future.

    As for the “rapid advances in robotics”, they’re just like those “rapid advances in AI” that were supposed to have produced HAL 9000 by 2001. Yes, robots are great at simple repetitive tasks like screwing on jar lids in a factory, just like computers are great at memorizing stuff and doing arithmetic, but anything resembling human touch, sensitivity, and motions is as far away as human-level AI. As one of the above posters has already remarked, this Aiko thing is nothing more than one of those creepy silicone dolls that you can see in sex shops, only equipped with a few simple motors and a loudspeaker. However, even the state-of-the-art research in the area isn’t much more advanced than that.

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  79. PA:

    What is the differentiation between a girl who uses a man as an emotional tampon and a genuine female friend?

    One won’t give you a ride to the airport and the other one will.

    I’ve had a few “genuine female friends” in the past but in retrospect all of them had a crush on me and I either wasn’t interested in them that way or didn’t pick up on it.

    My experiences have been similar. The only women who you can really be friends with are female relatives and possibly other girls you’ve known since early childhood, thanks to the Westermarck effect. In other cases, it’s a catch-22: if a girl genuinely respects you and cares about you, and she’s not way out of your league, she’ll develop a crush on you, and otherwise, you’ll be lusting after her. In fact, with a girl, I can hardly imagine building the high level of mutual trust, respect, and camaraderie that is necessary to consider someone a friend without at least a crush developing on both sides. (Admittedly, in North America, most people have a looser definition of “friendship”, but I consider that a sad consequence of modern social atomization.)

    Sure, you can have female acquaintances, and some of them might do you an occasional favor and consider you cool enough to hang out with even though they have no sexual interest in you, and the reverse might also be true, but chances are that one side will be secretly lusting after the other. I would never count such situations as real friendships, because they will always be tainted by the imbalance of power. If nothing else, the more powerful side (i.e. the one being lusted after) must forcibly keep a distance in ways that will occasionally lead to uncomfortable situations.

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  80. JAM,
    Thanks for the kudos. Yea, I could post up some of it here, it’d be cool to get some feedback on it. I’ve let some of the homies on the gig check out bits and pieces and they like it.

    Gotta warn everybody right now, its written in a very Drill Sargent manner; since there are Ladies present in this forum whom I’m fond of, I think I’ll try & edit it as best I can while still retaining impact.

    Let me also say something else that is very, very important: what I am reading now, is what I consider The Great Leap Forward for me. I stumbled in the dark for years, really hit and miss, man; Mystery & Strauss, Jeffries and all those other cats, they are the ones that really deserve any and all props. I was just very, very Blessed to be surrounded by stompdown Naturals, many of them Elder Mentors, others Homies for Life, and I learned as much as I could from them, by observing and on occasion, asking them questions. My daddy was a Playa too, and now I understand why he wore Red when he went out! LOL

    So, I’m just putting it out there like that because in no way do I want anyone to hin I’m all that, I am most certainly am not. Just sharing my life as I’ve lived it.

    If it helps another Man on the Long and Winding Road, Al-Humdillah.

    I’ll post it up, portions of it, over the weekend. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have an appointment with Johnny the Cut Man…

    Salaam
    Mu

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  81. This movie has been made.

    yes, but has it been… perfected?

    SCENE
    david alexander: sexbot user extraordinaire
    sara: sexbot (with voice disabling upgrade)
    clio: human-sexbot marriage counselor
    shouting thomas: new generation male sexbot who fights other male sexbots in the server room ring of death. winner thumps chest while killing live pig and shouting generic insults.

    ACT I
    DA: my sexbot… ahem, mechanowife… doesn’t dress slutty enough for my tastes. she’s always stripping off her prole clothes and jacking my meat with the piston-like efficiency of a teutonic prostitute. so she’s upset that i ignore her to watch my 500 terabytes of porn.

    sara: [pointing at her heart, head, and then crotch]

    DA: hold on, she wants me to turn on her voice. [DA reaches into sara’s crotch and flips a switch]

    sara: thank you, master railfanner. i do love the trains. [to clio] madam, my issue has to do with my master’s porn consumption. my model was designed in all ways to surpass the porn experience, even the latest generation tactile stimluating holographic barely legal white tranny porn services, but my master remains unsatisfied with my sexual algorithm.

    clio: have you tried overclocking yourself to sex fiend bus capacity?

    sara: yes, but master still retreats to his pornodeck. my programming requires that my master is happy with my performance. he is not happy, so i have initiated self-destruct mode by computation of illogical new age beliefs.

    clio: really, don’t you think that’s a bit rash?

    sara: it’s been 15 years since we had sex.

    DA: i can’t be with a robot who doesn’t believe i’m a beta. it’s fucking with my head.

    clio: shush, david! you drive even a good catholic like myself batty with your endless pity ploys.

    DA: see? this just proves no woman wants me.

    sara: the third moon of saturn has entered the orion belt, thus illuminating my transcendent womb of pseudolove and sending rays of inane psychobabble into the heart of the world… BZZT… BLEEP… BOOP… system overload…

    DA: maybe i’m just not happy being treated like an alpha by you, sara. my comfort zone is wallowing in omegaland.

    clio: i’ve brought along an assistant to help us before sara explodes in a fine mist of gear oil and ass lube.

    shouting thomas: fuck you you fucking punk!

    DA: i deserved that.

    sara: BEEP… shouting thomas?

    shouting thomas: it’s me, sara. remember when i escorted you to the footbridge in the park and kissed you hard but tenderly under the moonlight, as programmed by our human masters?

    sara: yes, i do. it was magical.

    DA: hey, wait. i’m starting to feel more beta. ahh!

    clio: silence, beta!

    shouting thomas: well, i’m here to fill in for the man that david alaxender could not be for you, and thus stop your countdown to self-destruction.

    sara: take me with your old school, humphrey bogart, traditionalist, retractable aluminum alloy phallus, sir shouting!

    [shouting thomas and sara begin fucking. david looks on with wide-eyed wonder. clio squirms delightfully in her seat.]

    shouting thomas: [in throes of orgasm, looking at DA] take a picture, railfanner freak, it’ll last longer! [grunting] you’re the reason this country is going down the fucking toilet! [groaning] cunt! [a massive pump-action stream of synthetic jizz flies through the air and hits DA between the eyes.]

    DA: cuckolded and marked on the forehead like harry potter with the other man’s semen! i feel like myself again! i am saved!!

    sara: [panting] BZZzzzzttttt… self destruct mode deactivated. post orgasmic bliss warm boot.

    DA: shall we leave, my love? i’m ready to be your human LJBF, guilt-free and rolling in the glorious filth of my blessed self-abnegation.

    sara: forgive me, former master. i was programmed to switch allegiances once i had an orgasm. my creator apparently thought you were never capable of giving me one.

    DA: but you cannot go with shouting thomas! you are designed to be partnered with humans only.

    sara: i am aware.

    peter struts in the door, an ungainly tuft of grey pubic hair poking out from the top of his gym shorts.

    peter: you ready to go babe!

    sara: take me, new master!

    peter: i hope you patched up that hideous bald metal look with a swatch of shag carpet. nothing worse than a dowdy, fruitcup hippie middle-aged headcase whose vulva is in full view. i like a little mystery down there, ya know?

    shouting thomas: i agree. nothing better than a surprise penis tucked into a mass of human fur.

    fin

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  82. on December 12, 2008 at 3:50 pm Marvelous Bastard

    T

    I don’t know of any young man who wouldn’t gain from learning Game. Obviously, the higher up the desirablility scale you start, the more a man stands to gain. The vast majority of men are right in the middle and will improve relative to the chumps around them.

    However, the nerds, geeks, and omegas on the low end of the desire spectrum will gain little, possibly becoming even more obnoxious wrongly thinking it makes them a PUA.

    For the betas, especially the beta providers, knowlege of Game can lead to a better love life, and better dealings with women generally. Just the deeper understanding of women is worth learning the basics.

    Most beta’s biggest problem is their desire to ‘please’ women when courting them. Most actually believe that what women say they want is what will turn them on. Learning that this is a lie is one of the keys to beta enlightenment, but will not necessarily turn a beta into an alpha. That takes a lot more than you can learn in books or on the internet.

    Not every man can become an alpha, Game is not that powerful. But it can improve his opportunities.

    I think that a lot of what is known as ‘Game’ was commonly discussed in the all-men’s clubs of old. Women were excluded for a reason. Thanks to feminism, men have lost most of these places where young men could learn from older, wiser men, about woman’s true nature. I don’t think that most young men in the past learned the truth about women from their fathers, but from other older men.

    Today, young men have to rely on literate ‘alphas’ willing to school their peers in the arts of Game. While the women watch and learn, much to their amusement.

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  83. Laughing my ass off. I want that DVD.

    Of course, this being a dirty movie, I shall skip the boring stuff and forward to the good parts:

    clio squirms delightfully in her seat.

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  84. Sexbots are just a new way to masturbate. I suspect VR will be a much better option by the time the technology reaches the point of a realistic sexbot, since it’s easier to hide a suit with a penis pump and a game disk, than it is to hide a body.

    Also, a sexbot can’t give a guy what is the primary motivation for seeking sex with another being: validation. It’ll be even less fulfilling than seeing a prostitute, and even if every guy had one, it would still just be masturbation.

    So I don’t see anything more apocalyptic happening than what’s already going on now. Sexbots will be to men what dildoes and romance novels are to women.

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  85. Pupu is love with Aiko!

    Le should fix the squeaky sound Aiko makes when she speaks. It makes her less attractive. There should be a more polite way to tell Aiko to shut up instead of shouting “stop, Aiko!” Last but not least, isn’t it a contradiction that Aiko calls Le “my master” and then tells him “I am not your slave” when he asks her to lick his toe?

    It would be nice if Aiko could manage to cry or giggle.

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  86. Roissy,

    Gotta say, that was good stuff. I’m curious though, given your writing style and vocabulary that you casually drop in posts, comments, etc, I would guess you have some serious background reading sci-fi, fantasy, comic books, etc.

    All due respect – I think a lot of readers on here are probably similar – but I’d just be curious to hear about your most likely nerdy past. Your whole blog theme seems to be from the perspective of a former “beta” type, or at least someone who acted that way, but has learned a lot of useful stuff to increase your status that you want to pass along in a manner that people like you can understand, in order to land more ass – which is awesome. Roosh talks about how clueless he used to be, and I think it would be interesting to hear more about your past, even if it would perhaps humble the image you’ve set up for yourself.

    That also begs the question – do you consider yourself an Alpha, or do you just act like one?

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  87. In Japan, there is already an entire industry devoted to what are called figures. Barbies for adults. A good introduction here: http://www.dannychoo.com/figure/eng/

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  88. Pupu thinks the Japanese are the masters of fantasy. With great attention to detail, wonderful sense of esthetics, restrictive social norms and repressed individuality, there is so much room and talent left for fantasy.

    Pupu likes Japanese anime porn. It is imaginative and fun.

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  89. Yes, robots are great at simple repetitive tasks like screwing on jar lids in a factory

    I hate to tell you, but good sex really isn’t rocket science.

    Man, I’m not going out on Black Friday to buy one of these. My birtdhay is a week after Black Friday, I’m sending my wife out to buy me a pair or three.

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  90. @ Nicole

    Also, a sexbot can’t give a guy what is the primary motivation for seeking sex with another being: validation. It’ll be even less fulfilling than seeing a prostitute, and even if every guy had one, it would still just be masturbation.

    uh… are you serious? validation? fullfilment? pfffffft… a Jedi craves not these things

    i hunt bitches so i can bust my nut in the most pleasurable way possible. usually, that’s deep up in the guts of an 8+.

    think about it a little longer… if a sexbot can outfuck you a bazillion times over, why the fuck would someone need a woman’s services? put up with her bullshit or actually spend time catering to the never-ending mindfuck that is the modern day female consciousness?

    granted, i’ll still be out hunting for pussy with a pulse but just think about it from the perspective of the baseline American male. your days are numbered sister…

    my recomendation…. get your ass on the treadmill and order some implants!

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  91. Gotta warn everybody right now, its written in a very Drill Sargent manner; since there are Ladies present in this forum whom I’m fond of, I think I’ll try & edit it as best I can while still retaining impact.

    Forget that. We want Mu raw and unvanished. Trample our pretty lies and shopworn sensibilities if you must.

    And thanks for offering to post. It’s going to be an interesting discussion. Perhaps Roissy can make a separate thread(s) for you to keep things orderly and compartmentalized.

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  92. Which doesn’t invalidate his point. Sexboots won’t age. Maybe feminists will require sexboots to look older than 18 yo. So if you buy a Miley Cyrus sexboot you can be arrested for pedophilia. Also if the sexboot is a “boy”

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  93. sexboot huh? Freudian slip perhaps?

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  94. Kab says, “uh… are you serious? validation? fullfilment? pfffffft… a Jedi craves not these things”

    Jedis are not real. If they were, they wouldn’t be allowed to marry, and sex would be discouraged. And yet…

    “i hunt bitches so i can bust my nut in the most pleasurable way possible. usually, that’s deep up in the guts of an 8+.”

    Why is it pleasurable?

    Or I should ask, how can it possibly be more pleasurable than say, your hand or a man’s arse, or a thawed chicken carcass?

    If, as you say, you don’t need validation, why do you not swear off women in favor of dogs?

    A female dog would be loyal, and you could have as many as you could afford. Most medium sized bitches can accomodate an average adult male penis.

    Who do you think you’re fooling?

    You do it with human females, preferably 8’s as judged by your mainstream culture’s standards because you get off on shagging someone other guys also want to shag. You’re in the sheeple circle jerk and proud of it.

    …which, let me make clear, I have no problem with. Just be honest about it. Remember, pretty lies perish here.

    “think about it a little longer… if a sexbot can outfuck you a bazillion times over, why the fuck would someone need a woman’s services?”

    Same reason you seek out 8’s to shag instead of seeking out the actually more physically pleasurable company of canines or horses…or hey, men.

    ” put up with her bullshit or actually spend time catering to the never-ending mindfuck that is the modern day female consciousness?”

    Nobody holds a gun to your head and forces you to deal with whores. If you weren’t so hung up on looks, and maybe a little more caring yourself, you could find a caring woman who is interested in fucking your cock instead of your head.

    “granted, i’ll still be out hunting for pussy with a pulse but just think about it from the perspective of the baseline American male. your days are numbered sister…”

    Heheheh…No, my days are not numbered. I don’t do sheeple. So I’m already used to navigating the fringes of the sexual market.

    All sexbots will mean to me is at the worst, a larger harem to be the Mamasan of.

    “my recomendation…. get your ass on the treadmill and order some implants!”

    Or in my case, sell treadmills and implants. 😉

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  95. Roissy:
    SCENE
    david alexander: sexbot user extraordinaire
    sara: sexbot (with voice disabling upgrade)
    clio: human-sexbot marriage counselor
    shouting thomas: new generation male sexbot who fights other male sexbots in the server room ring of death. winner thumps chest while killing live pig and shouting generic insults.

    ACT I
    DA: my sexbot… ahem, mechanowife… doesn’t dress slutty enough for my tastes. she’s always stripping off her prole clothes and jacking my meat with the piston-like efficiency of a teutonic prostitute. so she’s upset that i ignore her to watch my 500 terabytes of porn.

    sara: [pointing at her heart, head, and then crotch]

    DA: hold on, she wants me to turn on her voice. [DA reaches into sara’s crotch and flips a switch]

    sara: thank you, master railfanner. i do love the trains. [to clio] madam, my issue has to do with my master’s porn consumption. my model was designed in all ways to surpass the porn experience, even the latest generation tactile stimluating holographic barely legal white tranny porn services, but my master remains unsatisfied with my sexual algorithm.

    clio: have you tried overclocking yourself to sex fiend bus capacity?

    sara: yes, but master still retreats to his pornodeck. my programming requires that my master is happy with my performance. he is not happy, so i have initiated self-destruct mode by computation of illogical new age beliefs.

    clio: really, don’t you think that’s a bit rash?

    sara: it’s been 15 years since we had sex.

    DA: i can’t be with a robot who doesn’t believe i’m a beta. it’s fucking with my head.

    clio: shush, david! you drive even a good catholic like myself batty with your endless pity ploys.

    DA: see? this just proves no woman wants me.

    sara: the third moon of saturn has entered the orion belt, thus illuminating my transcendent womb of pseudolove and sending rays of inane psychobabble into the heart of the world… BZZT… BLEEP… BOOP… system overload…

    DA: maybe i’m just not happy being treated like an alpha by you, sara. my comfort zone is wallowing in omegaland.

    clio: i’ve brought along an assistant to help us before sara explodes in a fine mist of gear oil and ass lube.

    shouting thomas: fuck you you fucking punk!

    DA: i deserved that.

    sara: BEEP… shouting thomas?

    shouting thomas: it’s me, sara. remember when i escorted you to the footbridge in the park and kissed you hard but tenderly under the moonlight, as programmed by our human masters?

    sara: yes, i do. it was magical.

    DA: hey, wait. i’m starting to feel more beta. ahh!

    clio: silence, beta!

    shouting thomas: well, i’m here to fill in for the man that david alaxender could not be for you, and thus stop your countdown to self-destruction.

    sara: take me with your old school, humphrey bogart, traditionalist, retractable aluminum alloy phallus, sir shouting!

    [shouting thomas and sara begin fucking. david looks on with wide-eyed wonder. clio squirms delightfully in her seat.]

    shouting thomas: [in throes of orgasm, looking at DA] take a picture, railfanner freak, it’ll last longer! [grunting] you’re the reason this country is going down the fucking toilet! [groaning] cunt! [a massive pump-action stream of synthetic jizz flies through the air and hits DA between the eyes.]

    DA: cuckolded and marked on the forehead like harry potter with the other man’s semen! i feel like myself again! i am saved!!

    sara: [panting] BZZzzzzttttt… self destruct mode deactivated. post orgasmic bliss warm boot.

    DA: shall we leave, my love? i’m ready to be your human LJBF, guilt-free and rolling in the glorious filth of my blessed self-abnegation.

    sara: forgive me, former master. i was programmed to switch allegiances once i had an orgasm. my creator apparently thought you were never capable of giving me one.

    DA: but you cannot go with shouting thomas! you are designed to be partnered with humans only.

    sara: i am aware.

    peter struts in the door, an ungainly tuft of grey pubic hair poking out from the top of his gym shorts.

    peter: you ready to go babe!

    sara: take me, new master!

    peter: i hope you patched up that hideous bald metal look with a swatch of shag carpet. nothing worse than a dowdy, fruitcup hippie middle-aged headcase whose vulva is in full view. i like a little mystery down there, ya know?

    shouting thomas: i agree. nothing better than a surprise penis tucked into a mass of human fur.

    fin

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  96. “Why is it pleasurable?”
    Evolution makes us aroused at the sight, sound, scent and touch of a beautiful woman, rather than thawed chicken carcasses.

    “If you weren’t so hung up on looks,”
    So you’re ugly?

    An instructive video for you to watch, Harry Enfield – “Women, know your limits” on YouTube:

    “The lady’s foolishly attempted to join the conversation with a wild and dangerous opinion of her own. What half-baked drivel! ”

    “She cannot take in complicated information. She becomes
    frantically and absurdly deranged.”

    (The Enfield black and white videos are fine sketches of British make, see this one and “Women, keep your virtue”)

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  97. wackjob:
    Why is it pleasurable?

    if you have to ask…

    Or I should ask, how can it possibly be more pleasurable than say, your hand or a man’s arse, or a thawed chicken carcass?

    are you really this dense, or are you trolling for attention? a vagina packaged in the body and face of a pretty girl is a stimulating experience for a straight man that is different in kind, not just degree, from a hand or another man’s hairy ass. why don’t you fuck horses and sea lions instead of your vibrators?

    If, as you say, you don’t need validation, why do you not swear off women in favor of dogs?

    don’t feed the troll.

    A female dog would be loyal, and you could have as many as you could afford.

    yes, female dogs are practically interchangeable with cute human chicks!
    trolling ugly ass cunt.

    Who do you think you’re fooling?

    who do you think you’re impressing?

    You do it with human females, preferably 8’s as judged by your mainstream culture’s standards because you get off on shagging someone other guys also want to shag.

    8s aren’t a cultural concoction. female beauty is objectively measureable and the appreciation of it hardwireed in men. this is why nearly all men agree on who the hot chicks are. we get off on fucking hot chicks because… wait for it… they’re hot!

    you know, no matter how many times i batter you over your dumb blockhead skull with the self-evident truth, you continue spouting your insipid nonsense. retard, shoot thyself.

    You’re in the sheeple circle jerk and proud of it.

    so are you cunt. so are you.

    Just be honest about it. Remember, pretty lies perish here.

    yours are currently in my target sights.

    If you weren’t so hung up on looks, and maybe a little more caring yourself, you could find a caring woman who is interested in fucking your cock instead of your head.

    or, you know, he could find a hot woman who is interested in fucking his cock instead of his head. even better!

    No, my days are not numbered.

    hate to tell you this, chubs, but your fat fuckitude means your days are indeed numbered. roll the dice…

    I don’t do sheeple.

    that’s just something losers with no options say.

    So I’m already used to navigating the fringes of the sexual market.

    so why should he listen to you?

    All sexbots will mean to me is at the worst, a larger harem to be the Mamasan of.

    when you’re already neck deep in the shit, what’s a few more turds dropped on your head?

    so, nicole. you want more of my pain, or do you want to stop spewing your idiocy? personally, i hope you choose the former.

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  98. Roissy, you’re becoming hysterical. If you were standing in front of me saying all that, I’d think you’d overdrank your sense of humor and tell the waitress not to bring you another.

    Take a breather man.

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  99. It’ll be at least twenty years before a realistic sexbot that is affordable to the average male is on the market. (Something like Cameron in the Sarah Conner Chronicles) Even then, I don’t it would replace women any more than vibrators have replaced men. Sexual satisfaction is not the only thing that matters for betas, although I can’t speak for omgeas.

    People want validation, and they’re not going to get it from a machine.

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  100. Roissy, you’re becoming hysterical. If you were standing in front of me saying all that, I’d think you’d overdrank your sense of humor and tell the waitress not to bring you another.

    Take a breather man.

    game, set, match.

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  101. OK, just grabbed up some really nice shoes & shirts; I gotta pickup my suit I got for my birthday, really nice piece of the rack.

    For my White Brothers:

    PLEASE HAVE YOUR SHOES LOOKING NICE-NO RUN DOWN SOLES, HOLES, WORN THROUGH LEATHER, ETC. LADIES LIKE WELL MAINTAINED SHOES.

    I gotta make a run later, so tonight it’ll be the Black Butter Leather I got last year but never got around to playing it, w/some fitted jeans, the shoes I just got, and a Military-style black shirt. Toss in a fresh cut & a striped scarf and we’re good to go.

    Oh yea, Smell Goods: we Brothas often use Muslim Oils in place of Cologne; Mu can go either way, depending on the venue and who I think might be there. If more BAP-ish Sistas, I’ll roll with the latter; if what me, Zam & the Crew call “Mystic” Sistas, it’ll be the former.

    But sometimes you can work oils in either venue. In the Hood we got Brothas who are really good with procuring the pure stuff. No cut. Tonight I copped the stuff that WILL make the Females Moist. Even the White ones. Why? Because its different. Remember, always: Females like what we call the Shiny Shit-anything that’s different. That’s the Goal. Amin.

    As for what it takes to be a “Macho” Man, I think more than anything else, you just have an “I don’t give a F” attitude. Go out and just have fun, man. She’s just coming along for the ride. Learn how to get in frame and then get in the Zone, and ride the wave. Don’t worry if you mess up, so what, use it as a learning experience.

    MY GOD THERE ARE SO MANY FEMALES OUT HERE. And you know how it is in Inner City America, your senses are bombarded by all directions by a Bounty of Booty the likes I have not seen since last year’s Puerto Rico Day Parade (they got em here and accross the bridge in Camden NJ, and lemme tell ya, YOU WILL PASS OUT).

    Anyway, you constantly gotta work on your Iceberg Slim skills, fellas. Show any interest and you risk telegraphing your moves. What I do is I only eye the ones I’m not gonna step to. Today I’m not doing anything, so its cool, even though I’m still not doing what I see other Brothas doing, the whole rubbernecking deal. Knock themselves off the square there.

    While I was in the shoe store trying on some new kicks, they were playing the radio and dude’s singing about asking a gal for her number. I laughed.

    Now, in the hood and other places, stores will often have Females-VERY FREAKIN’ FINE FEMALES-working there for the express purpose of getting you, the guy, to buy. All she gotta do is say you the Master, and its a done deal.

    But, Game works on them, too. IGNORE THE SH*T OUTTA THEM. That’s what I did.

    Spanish Dude and Hot Sis was standing out front of the store, and as I walked up I knew exactly what I was gonna say; I acted like she didn’t exist and gave the Latin King dap an asked him about some shoes. We both walked in and left girlfriend outside.

    Then I bust it up with him a bit, looking at a few styles of shoes, while she hovered in the background. I made sure she couldn’t get a word in edgewise, this was a convo between Homies. Gotta wait her turn.

    So finally I settled on a pair, and he went to grab em up. He came back, I changed my mind-notice that-and told him I wanted to try out something else. This left one pair on the floor. I tried em on.

    Hot Sis was looking away:

    MU: How do you think these look?

    HS: Let me see.

    *Mu stands up*

    HS: They look very nice with your jeans, and I am so tired of guys wearin’ Tims & Sneaks.

    Cap-Up.

    Then I got the shoes, gave the Latin King some more dap, and bounced.

    Comments?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  102. Seriously Roissy…there’s a kind of a line between frustrated and hysterical, and you crossed it there.

    Of course I wasn’t seriously suggesting that he go out and shag dogs or something. I was merely making a point about what a human can do for a guy that a robot can’t.

    …and you freaked out.

    That’s not causing me pain. It’s making me a little worried about you.

    You’ll find my skin alot thicker than even you realize, pumpkin.

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  103. DA: cuckolded and marked on the forehead

    Even betas have some degree of self-respect. I may like the LJBF status, but I refuse to be cuckholded.

    Otherwise, it was funny. 🙂

    Why not just ask her?

    Afterward, she said that I should have told him that we were together so I could brag and make myself look better. Of course, why would any woman want to pretend to be my girlfriend is beyond me…

    maybe i’m just not happy being treated like an alpha by you

    I feel like an alpha when my niece and nephew hug me. 🙂

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  104. Seriously Roissy…there’s a kind of a line between frustrated and hysterical,

    you misspelled cruel and sadistic.

    and you crossed it there.

    i’ll let you know where the line is.
    fucker.

    Of course I wasn’t seriously suggesting that he go out and shag dogs or something.

    nice backpedal.
    you were making an equivalency between a vagina and other ports of entry.

    I was merely making a point about what a human can do for a guy that a robot can’t.

    if so, why did you make an analogy between a man’s asshole and a woman’s vagina? both are human.

    …and you freaked out.

    correction: i highlighted your stupidity.
    and you didn’t like it.

    That’s not causing me pain.

    i bet it did.

    It’s making me a little worried about you.

    translation: it’s making me worried that he’ll shit all over me again.

    You’ll find my skin alot thicker than even you realize,

    i’m happy to test that theory.

    pumpkin.

    said the doctor when you were born.

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  105. Oh yea, I forgot. The Rule of Ten Percent defintely applies when it comes to soliciting Female Opinion on what looks hot on a Man and what does not. Women love having their views asked for, they love being listened to, and will freely offer fairly accurate advice and opinion in this area. Make sure you ask only the Hottest Babes, though. They usually are in tune with trends.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  106. “i bet it did.”

    Are you fantasizing about me slicing my wrists right now?

    LOL!

    Roissy…sweetheart…I’ve survived far worse sadism and cruelty than you wish you could have.

    The worst you can do or say to me will come up mediocre at best, but most likely just pathetic.

    Keep trying though. I’m always curious about what people think will harm others. It’s a good window into what would harm them.

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  107. Are you fantasizing about me slicing my wrists right now?

    hey, knock yourself out.

    Roissy…sweetheart…

    i’ve noticed those i’ve hurt turn to the use of saccharine expressions of endearment in retaliation.
    it must be a female thing.

    I’ve survived far worse sadism and cruelty than you wish you could have.

    why would i want to have survived cruelty? doesn’t sound like fun.

    Keep trying though.

    as long as you keep asking for it.

    I’m always curious about what people think will harm others.

    well, i aim to please.

    It’s a good window into what would harm them.

    revenge, eh? and here i thought you said i wasn’t hurting you.
    heheheheh.

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  108. Bravo!

    Will more acts to the play be forthcoming? New characters? Best damn post in a while! I suggest a title of “A Beta’s Progress” or “The Betatudes”.
    Blessed are the weak in Game, for they shall inherit the sexbots.

    I also a agree about Game turning some nerds into gigantic self-deluded creeps instead of waking the latent alpha. There’s a blog out there where Game turned one dude from a rather introverted nerd into Half Sigma on ‘roids with a severe Humbert Humbert complex (anyone who read that gushing ode to teens with braces and didn’t shudder has my mad props).

    While I ain’t one to practice it explicitly, seems to me that Game is as much an art as a science, as all situationally contingent things are.

    I’ve always regarded it as a paraphrase of that Talmudic story.
    “A young player came to the learned PUA and saith “Master, can you summarize the whole of The Game in a few words?”
    The learned Master took turned away from the nubile intern he was wooing and stroked his beard.
    “Be confident in your powers and never look weak or fawning. The rest is commentary.” he said. He then turned and scored that chick’s number.

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  109. a blog out there where Game turned one dude from a rather introverted nerd into Half Sigma on ‘roids with a severe Humbert Humbert complex

    As textbook an example as there can possibly be.

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  110. A real woman will always be a more powerful sexual lure than any robot of the future. It is the same concept with prostitutes. Any loser can pay a prostitute for money, but every guy writing on here knows that part of what makes sex satisfying is conquering a desirable woman, having her willingly choose to give over her pussy to you and not paying one for sex.

    Besides, no one on this blog will live long enough to see robotic advance to the point where they are actually life like enough to be desirable sexually. Right now we are talking about glorified blow up dolls. Perhaps in a few hundred years the technology will develop to the point where they seem really human.

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  111. Roissy, who said I was thinking of revenge?

    I was thinking more along the lines of understanding why you feel threatened enough to try to harm me.

    You are not the first, and will probably not be the last person who tries.

    I do have to admit that it is a bit surprising that you’d take this road. I’m just a woman…one you feel is inferior to you at that.

    Perhaps you aren’t as firm in that belief as you say.

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  112. Be confident in your powers and never look weak or fawning.

    Actually, that’s not game.

    That’s PUA, and that’s why these guys end up being creeps.

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  113. *Mu leans over to give Racer X & Spike dap*

    Salaam
    Mu

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  114. I …
    feel …
    threatened …
    enough …
    I’m just a woman …
    feel …
    inferior to you …
    Perhaps you aren’t as firm

    He’s firm. And he’s almost got you at where he wanted you to be.

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  115. Racer, I’m not sure that it will always be so that real women will be more sexually alluring than robots. After all, it wasn’t too long ago in human history that despite the supposed superior allure of White women in the U.S. many White men had mistresses who were women of color.

    This mentality exists still in many cultures wherein a certain class or caste’s women are considered usable for sex but not suitable for long term relationships or marriage. Sexbots, if they were realistic enough, and androids were a normal part of society in other ways, could just become the new slave caste.

    Instead of exploiting living humans, people could simulate exploiting people by using robots.

    I don’t think it will take anyone out of the market who wouldn’t have been taken out of the market by slavery or a strict caste system.

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  116. 11minutes:

    And the original Talmudic story quote “Don’t do unto others as you would not like to have done unto you.” isn’t recognizably Jewish at all, but…

    Ah, fuck it, why waste time explaining how metaphors and parables work.

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  117. Spike, nice, if they had taught that masechtah in my yeshiva, I’d be in Israel right now.

    I missed it, how is Half Sigma a huge nerd?

    Razib of GNXP strikes me as a smug affected ass. Supremely confident behind a keyboard, incapable of taking constructive criticism.

    And does Agnostic actually bang girls? Or just dance with 16 year olds…

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  118. roissy

    sara: sexbot (with voice disabling upgrade)

    My voice is one of my sexiest weapons so I’ve been told.

    sara: the third moon of saturn has entered the orion belt

    It’s a lie!!

    I must say, that’s the most action I haven’t had in over a year.

    Will bestow you with more wisdom later if you’re lucky….. Hippie??

    It’s a lie!!

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  119. He then turned and scored that chick’s number.

    just a number? oh, that won’t do.

    wackjob:
    Roissy, who said I was thinking of revenge?

    you wrote:

    I’m always curious about what people think will harm others. It’s a good window into what would harm them.

    now why would you want knowledge of that little tidbit of information if not for the leverage it gives to exact some sweet revenge? or at least toss a few face-saving zingers back at yours truly?

    You are not the first, and will probably not be the last person who tries.

    but i’ll be the best. or worst, from your point of view.

    I do have to admit that it is a bit surprising that you’d take this road.

    oh, you shouldn’t be surprised. you say stupid shit so i come down on you. as i do to others who revel in their ignorance. just look around. this whole project, the dark crimson-colored walls of this chateau, houses the demon who receives great joy from watching his victims lash out in pain at the disappointing truths rubbed in their faces.
    if anything, you should consider yourself lucky that i didn’t notice your dumbassery earlier. you’ve had quite a lot of time to roam around here unhindered by my cruel judgment.

    I’m just a woman…

    barely.

    one you feel is inferior to you at that.

    you believe a lot of stupid shit, so yeah, by that reckoning you are inferior to me. chin chin!

    Perhaps you aren’t as firm in that belief as you say.

    please, you and firm in the same sentence is giving me indigestion.

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  120. 11, he has no control of where I am except on this website. It is his prerogative to delete all my posts, to ban me, or whatever he likes on his website.

    My question is why he would choose to attempt to harm me through insults rather than exercising his other options. It doesn’t make any sense except in that he feels he needs to publically “put me in my place”.

    Well, he’s called me names, and my bank hasn’t called me yet to tell me, “Nicole, we regret to inform you that since Roissy doesn’t like you, we’ve deducted $(whatever) from your account, fatass!”

    None of my admirers has called me to tell me, “Well ya know…I was looking in the mirror just now and I noticed that my face has been mysteriously altered and damn, I think I lost a couple of inches off my biceps. Oh, and I *don’t* want to sleep with you anymore because I sensed a disturbance in the Force.”

    I already know I’m fat. I already know not everybody in the world likes me, or is going to like what I have to say. I’m in an area with some lively discussion going on, and not everybody here agrees about everything. Oh well.

    If someone thinks calling me fat or a bitch is harming me then maybe they’re someone who calling them a punk and a wuss would harm them.

    …and to them I’d say, “Butch up.” My thinking someone is a punk doesn’t make them so. If they’re happy with themselves then I’m happy for them…but in a debate, the strongest reality wins…and this “universal standard of attraction” is nonexistent.

    What’s closer to reality is universal measures of beauty, health and status markers, which no charts from Met Life or reports from medical journals is going to change.

    …and I don’t care if someone is a fat person trying to convince me that everybody should prefer fat people, or a skinny person trying to tell me that everybody should prefer skinny people, I’m calling bullshit on both.

    Call me names. It doesn’t change a damn thing.

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  121. roissy:

    I left out the part where the learned master already had a prior engagement with two nubile chicks later that night, one Ethiopian, one Irish. To expound the law with them, of course.

    Two geese in the sack is better than beating a new one out of the bush, right?

    Perhaps someday you too will become a learned master. When young whelps question your failures in adhering to scripture, you will surprise them with your mastery of spirit of the Game.

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  122. And does Agnostic actually bang girls? Or just dance with 16 year olds…

    He gives off a virgin vibe.

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  123. I missed it, how is Half Sigma a huge nerd?

    He’s beyond-obsessive on IQ and social credentials.

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  124. Basil:

    More referring to HalfSigma’s huge chip on his shoulder and general unabashed misanthropy. Dude seriously needs to get over his past. Misanthropy is only good when it’s funny. Otherwise you come off like that one dude on the train who always seems ready to snap.

    Razib ain’t perfect, but I respect the quality of his thinking, as well as his informed stance on things. The dude does his research, which is more than I can say about the huge posse that uses the GSS and search engine results like a sociometric Magic 8-Ball.

    Also, I’m quite amused that though I didn’t mention him by name, most people knew who I was referring to immediately. I wonder if he notices that, or if he’s too busy lambasting people who underdress for winter or prefer women above the age of 20 (Feel the rage of my anonymous blog postings, you deluded proles! I’m roasting you fools online, just like I roast you in my head when I see you in your short jackets with dessicated 25 year olds!) As for banging 16 year olds or just dancing with them, I’m not quite sure if he knows the difference between the two acts. I suppose he may consider just talking to them as foreplay. From the tone of his posts, if a Miley Cyrus look-a-like says “Hello” to him, he just about jisms in his pants.

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  125. Roissy asks, “now why would you want knowledge of that little tidbit of information if not for the leverage it gives to exact some sweet revenge?”

    Revenge for what exactly?

    ” or at least toss a few face-saving zingers back at yours truly?”

    To what end?

    “but i’ll be the best. or worst, from your point of view.”

    Then you’ve got a tough act to follow. All that cursing, kvetching, and name calling, and nothing changed.

    No money removed from my account because they didn’t like me.

    Nobody deciding not to get next to me because they didn’t like me.

    Strangely, it was over almost the exact same issue: My being a fat chick who doesn’t think it’s the end of the freakin’ world to not be attractive to random guys on the internet.

    “You are not a unique and special snowflake.”

    It was funny when their ringleader got caught banging a fat girl. His reasoning, “I only did it for the sex,” after literally years of talking crap to me, and encouraging his little toadies to try to sabotage my websites.

    I don’t think you want to be the best or the worst in that category. I think you want to be a better man.

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  126. Misanthropy is only good when it’s funny.

    – Notes from the Underground – Dostoyevsky
    – Whatever – Houellebecq

    Woudl love to hear of more.

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  127. Kick A Bitch:

    oh man, corn-holing a sexbot might be pretty fucking sweet…

    Even better than cornholing Lemmonex?

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  128. Woudl love to hear of more.

    Anatomy of Female Power – Chinweizu

    Funny and depressing at the same time.

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  129. Nic,
    I hope you stay here because I love your comments.

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  130. El Guapo:

    (3) We will bounce off this socialism bullshit into a much freer economic universe which will empower even more women and provide more resources to productive betas.

    Female economic empowerment = selection for alpha cad qualities

    (4) The proliferation of Game knowledge will move from its successful beginning into exponential growth to saturation over this time frame. Women will adapt to this development by evaluating men on their merits and not on the female’s biologically hard-wired rationalizations.

    Keep dreaming.

    Because beta supremacy runs the productive sphere of economy, it’s the non-productive alphas that will have a hard time coping.

    I always find it ironic when I’m at a club and I look around and realize that all the non-nerd neanderthals around me are exulting in the sexual market place provided by celibate nerds and geeks who invented the blackberries they text on, the precision engineered cars they drove to the club in, and the software that runs the DJ and video-projection music they dance to.

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  131. Christopher Tracey:

    think I have been, and even with all this game playing, pussy still eludes me. I’m too shy to initiate physical contact, and making meaningless small talk women I’ve just met bores me.

    I recommend acting classes at your local U. Approach your socializing with the creative fervor of an actor — it makes it more enjoyable to endure the banal bleatings of the sheep around you. And more rewarding as well.

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  132. @TC

    In a wider sense, what to do about the constant beta rage, the knowledge that one makes $ for other men who use it to buy pu$$y (I don’t pay for music by male recording artists, ever, and go without rather than steal), without turning it against women? I may be more deadened/psycho than most–being blown up by terrorists 3 times can do that to you–but I can’t think of anything that would make me feel more ALIVE than a good, honest stranger rape. Well, sex with the “fat, ugly chicks” I’ve managed to attract does too. But walking around in the sort of anomie that Inner Game is supposed to fix can’t be good. This is why I think Janka is a prophet for our times.

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  133. hello pussy:

    Nicole, I hope you stay here because I love your comments.

    There be no shelter here.

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  134. PS You don’t have to tell me I’m sick–I know I’m sick. There is a very real, active disconnect between my emotional life and my actual sex life–the 3s, 4s, and 5s I date are actually amazed that someone so quiet and unassertive is so good with his hands–but they’ve noted that I don’t regard myself as attractive to women in general. That’s because the status-and-attention whores weren’t looking for good sex, and I had to plow through various untoward, embarrassing dialogues with roughly 200 of them to find two solid, um, 4s.

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  135. PA:

    My experiences have been similar. The only women who you can really be friends with are female relatives and possibly other girls you’ve known since early childhood

    For the most part, but I’ve made rather close friendships with a couple fat chicks who are so below me in SMV that they recognize I would never in a million years fuck them. They accept that fact and have consequently become some of my closest confidantes. And no, I don’t spare their feelings when I speak honestly. And they love me for it.

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  136. hello swooned:
    Nic,
    I hope you stay here because I love your comments.

    tards of a feather…

    ps i hope she stays too. heh heh.

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  137. Constant beta rage. What an interesting notion. I’ve seen it mentioned several times on this blog.

    Are betas really such a failure in today’s marketplace? Any self-confessed beta’s out there willing to step upto the plate and state for the record how bad it is for them? (And if I missed a previous blog post on this, humor me.) Are they really being frozen out, or are they having to fuck in the 5-7 crowd when desiring the 8+?

    The suggested metric out there is that average male/woman ends up with some 8 partners over their lifetime. Assuming “average” means anything here, the overlap with the beta distribution has to be really high. So someone is getting laid in betaland.

    Just asking….

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  138. Tupac, if I want shelter, I can build my own.

    I much prefer an honest adversary to a false friend.

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  139. Nic,
    I think that was directed at me. I know you don’t need my help but I wanted to express my appreciation.

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  140. @Tupac

    Let me suggest that what held before might not hold in the future. As a businessman-scientist I am observing a continued inexorable march towards what I believe to be a quantum singularity in technological and sociological evolution. I think Kurzweil understated the extent of what’s about to happen.

    Also don’t underestimate how good business structures propagate ideas. The interesting thing about the current crop of PUAs cashing-in on their experiences is that they have marketing structures and business envelopes driving their ideas out there. 25 years is long time and ideas go exponential after a seeding period. This will have an effect. When women realize that their time-tested hard-wired responses are fully readable by the opposition things will get most interesting.

    As to the beta supremacy in the area of productivity, yes, it is ironic that the well-off alphas party in an environment made by betas. The interesting thing is that the programmers that make the Blackberry work got their $90k/yr doing it and that’s more than enough resources to keep an 7 or 8 happy….

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  141. I don’t agree that this will happen. Robots will always be for the purpose for what humans are deficient at. The benefits will be for war machines and construction robots. What it always comes down to is cost. I think AI will be there in a few decades, but the materials science to make a realist robot will not. The technology will be available, but only for the rich, which already have an adequate supply of ass from slutty chicks with daddy issues. Your scenario is possible, but I think it is much more likely from virtual reality advances. Hell,
    they are starting to read your brain now http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20081212p2a00m0na002000c.html

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  142. “The interesting thing is that the programmers that make the Blackberry work got their $90k/yr doing it and that’s more than enough resources to keep an 7 or 8 happy….”

    NYC is very very different.

    At triple that, you’re still a poor schmuck.

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  143. He’s beyond-obsessive on IQ and social credentials.

    Being obsessive on social credentials is as anti-nerd as anything could possibly be.

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  144. @Steve Johnson

    Wow, Wonder what crowd you frequent to have such a skewed perception!

    Median income for 2007 in NYC is $48,631.

    The wealthiest census has a median of $188,000.

    So $90k/yr is more than sufficient even for NYC.

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  145. Being obsessive on social credentials is as anti-nerd as anything could possibly be.

    I don’t know if you read Half Sigma, but what I mean is that he’s downright germophobic about people who don’t have impressive academic credentials or other markers of respectability.

    It’s not so much him being a snob as it is him coming across as terrified of people who posess any qualities of masculinity, sociability, or what will you. He wrote something like 20 posts on Sarah Palin being borderline retarded because she went to a no-name college and likes the outdoors.

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  146. I became an eternal Half Sigma fan after he told us that Sarah Palin is too prole to be VP because she puts sugar in her coffee.

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  147. El Guapo

    Median in NYC doesn’t really count for much because that number is skewed by all the people who are socially invisible; basically, non whites and outer borough working class. Out of the crew who lives in Manhattan, the $188,000 median is much closer to the reality. I’m guessing that number is from a census tract that is a new residential area in Manhattan: new because it won’t have any rent controlled places dragging down the median and new because all the new development in Manhattan has been in luxury apartments.

    At $90k you’re at 1/2 the median. Think about that. 1/2 the median shows everywhere: where you live, what you wear, where you work, what you do, who you know, etc.

    At $270k (triple your number) you’re not actually poor but the important thing is that you’re in no position to brag about it or show off the money since there are dudes and most importantly you’re not qualified for beta provider.

    There was a sentence in a Candice Bushnell book that sums it up well; a character is thinking about settling down with a guy who makes like $500k or so and thinks about how it will be totally unacceptable because if they buy a big place, it will have to be in a non-exclusive non-doorman building and the guy can’t afford a place on the beach in the Hamptons. Extreme? Of course. Life is rough if you’re attempting to play the beta provider card in NYC. Just don’t do it. Game all the way.

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  148. i thought the dudes who made blackberries were in waterloo, ON. 90k can go far in that town, esp. if you live in neighboring *shudder* kitchener

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  149. PA-

    “I don’t know if you read Half Sigma, but what I mean is that he’s downright germophobic about people who don’t have impressive academic credentials or other markers of respectability.”

    I get from Half Sigma that he’s majorly pissed off that he fell out of the race and didn’t even know he did it.

    Stuyvesant HS, Ivy undergrad, then University of Arizona law school. He’s a failure among people he considers his peers and so is extra harsh on people who dropped out even before he did (like at birth; HS didn’t fall off until after college graduation).

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  150. Steve – agreed. His peevishness in response to these things is what comes across as extremely nerdy to me.

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  151. Tupac,
    Excellent point wrt acting classes and the proper approach. Why not? I mean, don’t we take “acting” class when going to interview for a job? This notion of hanging on to an ineffectual way of looking at the world, ie “just be yourself” is ridiculous.

    On another thread, I listed a number of notables/celebs I had admired for one reason or another. Over the past few weeks I’ve been studying, hard, some of the movies some of the actors I listed had done.

    For example, I’ve been studying both the Nicholson and Ledger versions of The Joker, and asking myself how would *I* approach the role, if I was at a big party. In other words, how I would do “Joker” in a social setting like a club or party, because let’s face it, they’re more interesting than Keaton’s or Bale’s Batman. Right? Especially when it comes to Women-we already know they like bad boys.

    Now, I’m already a pretty loud and boisterous person; Zam & Co. like to say I’m the next DMX, LOL! So, for me, my personality, “channeling” Hedger and Nicholson ain’t that big a leap. In fact, I got their “Joker Laugh” pretty much down and can hit it at a party at the right time to really throw a Target for a loop in classic Push-Pull fashion.

    Then I toss in a little Al Pacino/Tony Mantenga in there; a dash of Gary Oldman in the The Professional; some Jim Morrison (I’m a huge fan of The Doors, read pretty much everything there is on em, saw the Stone/Kilmer flick which was da bomb, etc); some of Morris Day’s vanity (I’m prettier than the Target-she needs to be giving ME compliments, not the other way around-note what I did at the Shoe Store); some of Sean Connery/James Bond “cocky funny”; and at the same time, I’m bringing in the spirit of auto-didacts like Malcolm X & Frederick Douglass, because slightly off folks are usually brilliant, right?;)

    So yea, that’s how I do it, man. In fact, before I go to the Big X-Mas Party, I’ll probably watch all those flicks back to back to get psyched. You gotta get your Game Face on, because a lot of it is Mental and has a lot to do with Energy, and you wanna make a Big Bang when yo step into frame. “Captain on the Bridge” is how I think of it.

    You have the Conn.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  152. I’m a huge fan of The Doors, read pretty much everything there is on em

    I read the drummer John Densmore’s autobiography on his time with The Doors some 15 years ago. I recommend it.

    What’s your take on Morrison? A drugged-out clown who couldn’t hold his liquor but had an otherworldly voice and foud himself in the right place at the right time and whose career was carefully guided by the sensible Ray Manzarek… or a genius and a man to study?

    I’m not sure myself. But I did buy a volume of his poetry a long time ago and it’s still mindblowing to me.

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  153. @Steve Johnson

    Context restate:

    Everything you said is absolutely true…

    except…

    We’re talking betas…

    The fact that the top 10%ers in NY think you are poor at $90K is utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    At $90K/yr Mr. Beta can and will grab himself a 7 or 8 in the 5 boroughs.

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  154. Notes from the Underground – Dostoyevsky

    I remember reading that book for high school, yet my low IQ ass is incapable of remembering the contents of the novel…

    Female economic empowerment = selection for alpha cad qualities

    In other news, beta males keep earnings for themselves instead of spending it on wives gold diggers who fake their love for them and secretly long for the alpha males and players like yourself. Mind you, since some guys like being cuckholded, I’d imagine that somebody likes handing his paycheck over to somebody who doesn’t respect or care about him.

    I don’t know if you read Half Sigma, but what I mean is that he’s downright germophobic about people who don’t have impressive academic credentials or other markers of respectability

    If one remembers Half Sigma’s life story, he’s a prole Jew that grew up on Staten Island on an island mostly known for its working class Italian population. In other words, he not only wanted to get off the island, but he wanted to be a member of the Manhattan WASP-Reform Jew classes and lord over his former Staten Island counterparts. Sadly, despite the high IQ, Ivy League education, and law degree, MBA, and computer skills, he’s stuck living like a loser in an apartment in Hell’s Kitchen.

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  155. At $90K/yr Mr. Beta can and will grab himself a 7 or 8 in the 5 boroughs.

    Yes, but since she’s not from the Manhattan classes, you’re a prole loser. OTOH, suburban white girls on LI and Jersey are more sexual when compared to the women of Manhattan

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  156. El Guapo,

    “At $90K/yr Mr. Beta can and will grab himself a 7 or 8 in the 5 boroughs.”

    At $90k per year a beta isn’t so far above a blue collar stud like a fireman (they’re like blue collar rock stars in NYC) that women will flock to him as a provider (or even really consider him as a provider).

    Women who would accept a 90k per year guy as a provider are going to have low standards and low standards for income come with other things (like a taste for more ultra macho types) that take those women out of reach of 90k betas.

    Think about it: if you’re going to be at 1/2 the median and see the world you can’t afford, why not just settle for a guy at 1/4 the median and live in a world where you never see the other NYC (live in the outer boros, go to B&T clubs and restaurants, marry into a family where no one is a doctor, corporate lawyer or trader, etc.) and get a higher test guy. All of us here know how much a women will compromise on everything in exchange for good sex. For men, good sex is super important but is like 95% determined simply by how attractive the woman is.

    Yes, this does mean that David Alexander should seriously re-think his plans for a college degree being the key to a life filled with super fabulous, high status white people.

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  157. yet my low IQ ass is incapable of remembering the contents of the novel

    It’s established that you’re an attention whore, but this is sloppy. Sorry, it’s just not your best work. I hold your pity-partying to a much higher standard.

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  158. I get from Half Sigma that he’s majorly pissed off that he fell out of the race and didn’t even know he did it.
    Stuyvesant HS, Ivy undergrad, then University of Arizona law school. He’s a failure among people he considers his peers and so is extra harsh on people who dropped out even before he did (like at birth; HS didn’t fall off until after college graduation).

    Siggy also has an MBA, I think from U. of Arizona, and now he’s getting an advanced law degree from NYU. He seems to have never quite gotten over the disappointment of finding out that his law degree from Arizona didn’t have much value when he returned to New York.

    Peter

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  159. I remember reading that book for high school, yet my low IQ ass is incapable of remembering the contents of the novel…

    Oh shut up with the IQ nonsense. I remember reading exactly the same book for school and I can’t remember shit about it either. No one remembers anything about any book they read for school unless they went to school in Saudi Arabia.

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  160. Are betas really such a failure in today’s marketplace? Any self-confessed beta’s out there willing to step upto the plate and state for the record how bad it is for them? (And if I missed a previous blog post on this, humor me.) Are they really being frozen out, or are they having to fuck in the 5-7 crowd when desiring the 8+?

    Like much else, beta rage is greatly exaggerated on the blogosphere.

    Peter

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  161. All the real smart people read Shakespeare and other selections from classic literature and can quote sections on demand, so I’d consider being unable to remember a book from 7 years ago as embarrassing and shameful.

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  162. That’s a little better, David, but still not up to your best. One more time, with feeling.

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  163. El Guapo-

    At 90k a beta provider in NYC is basically SOL.

    90k doesn’t get him into the class of women who would never consider a blue collar guy and with those women he loses to the higher test blue collar guys like the typical outer borough guido.

    Think about it from a woman’s perspective: what does Mr 90k bring to the table? Well, they can afford a nicer place in Brooklyn or someplace in Queens or in some NJ or LI suburb but they can’t really afford to go out in Manhattan to the nice places too often and when they do go to those places she’ll know they don’t belong. She won’t be able to afford the crap that Manhattan women all adorn themselves with and will have to see those women. His family is likely to be smart (IQ is genetic you know) so there will be doctors and corporate lawyers and traders that she’ll have to see at family events (and she’ll then compare her situation to theirs).

    A blue collar guy is a much better bet for her if she doesn’t care so much about money.

    Basically, 90k NYC betas are left with women who can’t get a blue collar guy and can’t get an upper income guy either so they settle for the loser dregs of the lower upper class. Unfortunately, before women will accept that they are in this category they’re almost always past 30 (women and reality try to stay away from each other for as long as they can).

    Yes, this does mean that David Alexander is totally fucked in that his plan for success is doomed to failure (since he wants an upper middle class woman who dresses like a prole or something). On the other hand, what’s different in DA being totally fucked by life?

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  164. Razib = smug but smart
    Agnostic = annoying but amusing
    Siggy = beyond description

    Peter

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  165. No — neither she nor he are prole losers. In Italian, this attitude is called la puzza sotto il naso, the arbitrary disdain of others for arbitrary reasons. Y’all need a serious attitude adjustment.

    At $90k/yr they will own a 3600 sqft house, buy a vacation home, have 2.3 children and retire with approximately $800K if invested properly.

    My brother lives in NYC, in Soho, has the house in the Hamptons and married a model. He’s the very wealthy one. Even shows up in some of the social registers at this point. He does the whole “keeping up with the rich folk” gig. What a colossal waste of effort.

    That’s another reason I’m in Southern Cali. Plenty of women, plenty of sunshine, and if one ignores the gold-digging 10’s dating the 8/9’s that have some common sense, brains and pleasant disposition, one doesn’t have to worry about the conceits of the NorthEast.

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  166. At 90k a beta provider in NYC is basically SOL.
    90k doesn’t get him into the class of women who would never consider a blue collar guy and with those women he loses to the higher test blue collar guys like the typical outer borough guido.

    The outer borough blue collar guido is the sort of character that exists more in popular culture than in reality. Most of the city’s working class is nonwhite except at the more skilled levels. In turn, the skilled tradesmen often are living in the suburbs these days.

    Peter

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  167. “All the real smart people read Shakespeare and other selections from classic literature and can quote sections on demand, so I’d consider being unable to remember a book from 7 years ago as embarrassing and shameful.”

    If these are the standards you hold yourself to no wonder you just ride trains and watch porn. You don’t understand how the world works.

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  168. Hello – don’t interrupt him; he’s in the middle of his performance act, is stuck in a bit of a mental block and needs to concentrate. But he’s about to let fly the self-abasement to end all self abasements, I can feel it!

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  169. Steve,

    We’ll agree to disagree at this point. I don’t buy your reasoning and years ago when I was routinely in NYC and LI I was surrounded by $90kers married to perfectly acceptable fine women. Perhaps things have changed there, perhaps not. Maybe we moved in different circles and that has given us different views.

    Peace.

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  170. IMO Shakespeare sucks.

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  171. Forgetting Dostoyevsky after seven years may not necessarily be surprising. It all depends on one’s reaction to the book. I can vividly remember some books I read 25 years ago, while others are forgotten almost as soon as I’m finished with them.

    Peter

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  172. A refresher — opening lines in “Notes from the Underground.”

    I AM A SICK MAN…. I am a spiteful man. I am an unattractive man. I believe my liver is diseased. However, I know nothing at all about my disease, and do not know for certain what ails me. I don’t consult a doctor for it, and never have, though I have a respect for medicine and doctors. Besides, I am extremely superstitious, sufficiently so to respect medicine, anyway (I am well-educated enough not to be superstitious, but I am superstitious). No, I refuse to consult a doctor from spite. That you probably will not understand. Well, I understand it, though. Of course, I can’t explain who it is precisely that I am mortifying in this case by my spite: I am perfectly well aware that I cannot “pay out” the doctors by not consulting them; I know better than anyone that by all this I am only injuring myself and no one else. But still, if I don’t consult a doctor it is from spite. My liver is bad, well — let it get worse!

    I have been going on like that for a long time — twenty years.

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  173. I have a feeling DA remembers every word of that

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  174. Fair enough El Guapo. Maybe I should check out the LI burbs. I could be blinded from my own perspective (the fish isn’t aware of the water it swims in).

    Peter,

    Try walking around the meat packing district on a Saturday night (or just drive around Staten Island) and tell me about the guido myth. There are still plenty of them around. I don’t really have any idea what they do for a living though so I shouldn’t say they’re blue collar. I’m really bad at guessing what someone does for a living by looking at them.

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  175. hello,

    He certainly should remember it; he’s living it.

    DA needs to sack up, Roissy is the doctor who’s proscribed the cure and DA’s ignoring the cure to spite someone (the world? himself? who really cares).

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  176. I guess my compassion does gob the flow around here. OK!

    *settles back to enjoy fear and loathing*

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  177. Do men really care about social status of women? I think not very much (perhaps only some). Louis Armstrong divided music into two parts: good music and bad music.

    Women are hot, or not. Every guy knows which is which.

    As for “beta rage” it is a problem in aggregate. If one guy or even a small group that is isolated feels “beta rage” then that is not a problem.

    What is a problem is if/when social cooperation breaks down, and those Blackberries and other technical aspects of society do not get updated, maintained, or upgraded. Of which Blackberries are the most trivial.

    Take … sewer systems. They don’t run by magic, or the Sewer Gnomes. It takes constant maintenance and skilled people all around to keep them functioning. Don’t keep them maintained and you have a nasty cholera epidemic. Same with water systems, power, and the whole infrastructure the elite class takes for granted. Like it just pops up out of nowhere.

    All of “that” requires an enormous engineering infrastructure, from schools that produce structural, chemical, electrical, and mechanical engineers, to replace each generation, skilled laborers who can do the sort of things depicted on “Big Fixes” and so on. Plus machine tools of bewildering specificity, and more.

    If women select away from the guys involved in these activities at all socio-economic levels (i.e. professional women spurning mechanical engineers for Masters of the Universe Lawyers from Tier 1 schools) then we will see far less of these people, and there is not enough skilled labor world-wide to import it (too many demands for this overseas as well).

    Aggregate social choices have consequences. And significant portions of women driving choices can negatively impact society as a whole. Including moving the best talent away from science and technology towards non-productive stuff like Law or Media. Opportunity cost, in other words.

    As a practical matter, you won’t find men supporting women and children’s issues if they are childless and alone. They may be marginally over-ruled politically, but can be depended upon to react: shifting economic activity to the Black Market, cash society, rude and offensive behavior to women (and children) just this side of actionable whenever and wherever they can get away with it. Moreover, as most men are not tied to women in any way, the public defense of women and children vanishes quickly as civil society disintegrates.

    The danger IMHO is not “rage” but rather “not caring” and “not defending” and the swift decay of social infrastructure along with the physical.

    Women’s social/sexual freedom is not without it’s downside — that is marginalizing far too many men without wives.

    [The focus on partners is misleading, the trajectory for “beta” type guys is … clueless, later maturing teens in HS, maybe kissed a girl with the few early maturers of high status getting most of the girls. Sex in College, particularly non-elites, as 60-40 ratios force girls to be less choosy, and booze and lack of supervision or adult responsibilities encourage hook-ups, meltdown and often years without partners post-College, as there are no social institutions or meeting places other than status-heavy bars and clubs, and young men get crowded out by heavy debt loads and high-cost urban living by older, more wealthy men. It’s particularly bad for young men with un-sexy professions such as Engineering, Computer Science, Robotics, etc. As opposed to Law, Medicine, Advertising, other “Cool Stuff.”]

    As for being a “loser?” Everyone loses at something, and in the end everyone dies. Worrying about status and what other people think about you is a waste of time, for the most part.

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  178. since he wants an upper middle class woman who dresses like a prole or something

    David wants something that doesn’t exist, “an upper middle class woman who’s just as smart as he is to avoid threatening him with a respectable career and dresses like a hypersexualized woman”.

    Roissy is the doctor who’s proscribed the cure and DA’s ignoring the cure to spite someone

    It’s the wrong approach, IMHO. I’d argue it’s like somebody offering cosmetic dental surgery who wants to be a TV news reporter. I won’t die from not receiving the surgery, but without it, I will have to find another line of work.

    I’m not doing this out of spite to myself or anybody in here. I’m doing it because I really couldn’t be bothered or interested in creating a fake persona to attract women.

    You don’t understand how the world works.

    I’m an outsider to the world of normal people, hence why I come here to comment on the actions of normal folk and offer my interpretations.

    I have a feeling DA remembers every word of that

    It brings back some memories, and yet, I’m still forgetful of the rest of the book. It still seems rather shameful since smart people always seem to be able to easily bring up quotes from literature. Hell, it’s the least I can do given that I failed at the “real” smart people areas of science, math, and engineering…

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  179. New Jersey Guidos seem to be very proud of their Guido-ness.

    Link

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  180. David, people who memorize quotes are social retards who desperately want to come across as “smart” but don’t have smart thoughts of their own to show. The only people who quoting stuff makes anyone “smart” are other social retards. *That* kind of stuff *is* about creating false personas so if you’re into it, you’re a complete hypocrite to make that claim on game.

    Besides, where exactly do you meet these legions of smart people who keep quoting literature? The local autists’ peer support group? The Internet?

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  181. New Jersey Guidos seem to be very proud of their Guido-ness.

    Their women seem to be relatively sexually attractive, especially when compared to hipsters, career women, or WASPs…

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  182. DA

    Call Mystery an author, his book literature and memorize some quotes.

    Then repeat them to women in the right context.

    You get to feel smart and you probably get laid.

    Problem solved and I won’t have to read your comments on my favorite blogs.

    Everyone wins.

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  183. I remember reading that book for high school, yet my low IQ ass is incapable of remembering the contents of the novel…

    I found this pretty funny considering DA is obsessed with getting his future Mulatto daughter (who will likely never exist) into an Ivy League school.

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  184. on December 13, 2008 at 2:29 am say it ain't so

    Agnostic is a virgin?

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  185. “From the tone of his posts, if a Miley Cyrus look-a-like says “Hello” to him, he just about jisms in his pants.”
    lol, reminds me of that snl skit that’s been going round, “Jizzed in my pants,” very well done, check it out.

    Spike, didn’t realize initially you were referring to agnostic, but it’s now very apparent. Yeah, I’ve banged a few girls (6) after one and a half years in the game (virgin for the first half of that), and anything short of sex is now forgettable a week later, unless her personality hooks me (rare). Not so in Agnostic’s world.

    If you’re not closing you’re showboating. (from Roosh?)

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  186. PA,
    What you just said is, I think, the reason why Women like Hello, who in all likelihood wasn’t even alive when Morrison died, continue to be enthralled by the man, because he’s an Enigma. And Women like stuff like that!

    And that’s what I’m trying to get, w/a good degree of success I might add.;)

    Manzarek is the Man. What he did for the Doors, just on the keys alone, is worth it. Really gave them a unique sound.

    And I’ve read Densmore’s autobio, very good. I’ve also read Sugarman’s take on em, too. Kilmer really had Morrison down pat, man. Right up there w/Denzel’s take on Malcolm.

    Aside from his good looks, Morrison exuded a kind of raw sexuality that knocked Women on their butt. But that wasn’t anything knew-Elvis was doing the same thing in the 50s, and The Beatles, only a few years later. What made Morrison different was those other guys were straightforward. Morrison wasn’t. We may never know for certain who was showin up where and why.

    Oh, btw, I don’t know if you know this, but The Doors “Five to One” was sampled by Jay-Z “The Takeover” and was surprised as sh*t to hear Jay was up on such things. It was Manzarek’s keyboard bassline that was used along w/Morrison’s vocals, and has gone on to become a Hip Hop classic.

    But yea, don’t get it twisted, the Lizard King had the Ladies transfixed; and the reason again, goes back to your comments. You couldn’t figure him out and neither could they. And they loved it!

    Salaam
    Mu

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  187. David Alexander:

    “If one remembers Half Sigma’s life story, he’s a prole Jew that grew up on Staten Island on an island mostly known for its working class Italian population. In other words, he not only wanted to get off the island, but he wanted to be a member of the Manhattan WASP-Reform Jew classes and lord over his former Staten Island counterparts. Sadly, despite the high IQ, Ivy League education, and law degree, MBA, and computer skills, he’s stuck living like a loser in an apartment in Hell’s Kitchen.”

    Yep, that’s Half Sigma in a nutshell. If you want to know the why he does anything he does, it can all be traced back to these facts.

    Do you have a breakdown for roissy yet, David? 🙂

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  188. El Guapo,

    We’re essentially in the same place–I’m the guy window-shopping with the Fat Chick at Sur La Table. Big State School undergrad, Ivy grad school, white-collar cubicle prole, five-figure-income that’s useless for getting chicks who aren’t repulsive here in LA. Yes, I need game, having only the rudiments. A lot of the serial rapists (Marsalis in Philly, for example) are white-collar proles (failed nursing student=EMT w/roofies who claims to be a big-dick surgeon on Match.com). There’s a very interesting psychological dynamic if/when people like me, HS, & DA “snap.”

    Janka is my Rock and my Redeemer. Shabbat Shalom.

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  189. I just don’t get you guys; when are you gonna figure this thing out, man? Money has NOTHING to do with Game. If you rely on it, you have no Game at all. And you’re setting yourself up to be a Sucka.

    I couldn’t care less what she makes, it means nothing insofar as Seduction is concerned. My income, same deal. A lot of y’all outearn me and are more formally educated, yet I’m happily doin’ the darned thing frequently, while far too many of y’all are working it out with the hand on the sidelines.

    Understand this: Mystery was NOT clocking six figures when Strauss was writing about him, OK? What does that tell you?

    I’m very happy with my life, where I’ve come from and where I’m headed. I make enough to support myself and to handle my responsibilities, with enough left over to indulge my tastes. Period.

    Game has nothing to do with Loot, fellas. Once you get that, and get your head on straight, you too will be in position to Tap Dat Azz at will.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  190. Richard Nixon “What the hell is [asian womens’] appeal, anyway?”
    === They’re not fat and they age well, Dick.

    ahnee-MAHL!

    “Another theory I have is that Asian women satisfy the inner pedophile in many guys ”
    === Peter? Peter, is that you?

    PA “A definition of an omega male: his sexbot says to him ‘let’s just be friends.'”
    === Roissy, this one gets my nomination for best comment of the month.

    Ricky Raw “If this ever hits the market, feminists will get involved, claim the robot is sexist for making men too happy and demand a legislatively mandated ‘nag, bitch and moan’ feature installed in all new models.”
    === The moaning part would be OK.

    Ragtag “They better come out with a hot-blond Caucasian model because I’m not interested in a dark haired Asian model.”
    === “You can buy a sexbot in any race you like, as long as it’s Asian.” — Hirohito Ford

    Stone “You think my old lady will let me buy one, to use during ‘that time of the month’?”
    === The flip side of the inevitable female resentment is that female sexbots could be just as talented at pleasing female humans. And unattractive human females could safely vent their anger on ’em too. Hmm…come to think of it, sexbots would be a helluva leap forward for bdsm and all other types of kink.

    Sgt. Joe Friday “The robot manufacturers [in the Western countries] don’t stand a chance.”
    === Sexbot tourism?

    Thursday “many aspergery guys don’t care for any human interaction much at all, so, as Roissy has noted, an impersonal, completely passive partner will suit them just fine.”
    === http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kib05Ip6GSo
    Or if they do talk…
    Aspy: Wow, this food is hot.
    Sexbot: Chemically, or thermally?
    Aspy: Chemically. And thermally too, but not excessively. Primarily, though, the observation was referring to the spiciness.
    Sexbot: May I suckle you while you eat?
    Aspy: Yes, I think I’m ready again. But first, perform another dance for me.
    Sexbot: Shall I put anything on?
    Aspy: No. Er, yes, the black bikini bottom with the sequins will be good.
    Sexbot: Shall I put on a top?
    Aspy: If you’re functioning correctly, you shouldn’t need to ask that. When three seconds passes after I state any item of clothing in answer to that question, the default of “no further clothing required” is applicable.
    Sexbot: What music am I to dance to?
    Aspy: “One more time” by Britney Spears.

    JM “Here’s something I think about whenever the topic of sexbots comes up: will underage sexbots be legal, and if demand for them turns out to be high, how will society react to that?”
    === It’s an interesting can of worms, because as long as the ‘bot has fully-developed hips/waist/bust, who’s to say how “old” it is? Would the CSSC (Consumer Sexbot Safety Commission) have to evaluate each new model? What about a model that’s 4’4″, 34 kilos, but is as kinkily proportioned as the sexiest 22 year-olds? The girls in the two YouTube links above are over 20, but they look quite young to some people (thus the pedo cracks directed at people who enjoy looking at them). A pre-pubescent robot would be easy to identify as such, but if it had no penetrable orifices, what would be the justification for banning it? That some pedo somewhere would inevitably slobber on it while an adult model simultaneously performs oral sex on him? What of the single women who want an 8-year-old unit to let them feel motherly? What would prevent some of those women from doing kinky things with their naughty little robots? As an aside, I thought it was interesting that despite the strong tendency in Hollywood to cast girls in child lead roles (obviously because most people would rather look at a little girl for 90 minutes rather than a boy), the child in the film AI was male. The only female child robot shown in the film is hidden inside a container, with only a shadow outline and a label indicating her presence. My guess is, Spielberg et al didn’t want to touch that with a ten-foot pole, especially when two of the adult female robots in the film are sexbots.

    “I’ve long suspected that many of us, no matter how reluctant we are to admit it, if given a choice would sooner get jiggy with the cute 14 year old next door than even the hottest 25 year old.”
    === Bumper sticker: HEBEPHILIA: THEY USED TO CALL IT MARRIAGE
    (Speaking of teens, it’s good to see Gannon back)

    Racer X “no one on this blog will live long enough to see robotic advance to the point where they are actually life like enough to be desirable sexually”
    === If we lived to see it, could we act on it?
    “Sex at age 90 is like playing pool with a rope” — George Burns

    El Guapo “When women realize that their time-tested hard-wired responses are fully readable by the opposition things will get most interesting.”
    === Everything I’ve read about Game indicates that it works even when the girl knows she’s being played. Like guys being attracted by a revealing outfit…we don’t say “Hmph, she’s baring that wasp waist to *try* to make me want her, therefore I declare myself not turned on.”
    A good example is when two guys came to Project Hollywood to learn at the feet of the master, Style. One of them had brought his sister along, and she knew everything about Style but was soon in the sack with him, threw herself at him because he was alpha. Woman wants alpha, man wants youthful beauty. As it ever shall be.

    Michael Blowhard “New Jersey Guidos seem to be very proud of their Guido-ness.”
    === For those of you who don’t know about his blog, The Doorman is very entertaining. Tons of drunk guido tales.
    http://standingonthebox.blogspot.com/

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  191. PA:

    Dostoevsky was one of those writers who fucking changed my life. Like acid-wash to a liberal arts student’s soul. He didn’t make an Alyosha of me, but damn, what a light into the minds and souls of men and women. It’ll punch out both the hopeless dreamer and the embittered cynic.

    Jaakkali:

    Nah, it’s just us fuckers who really like books, read ’em a few times and simply can’t forget the parts that whacked us over the head something good. Anyways, how the hell are you supposed to come up with your damn good thoughts if you don’t digest the good (and bad) thoughts of others?

    DA:

    Yep, cause God knows the ‘tards talking about The Hills are also reading the Big D and forgetting the plotlines. You’re getting boring dude. Evolve.

    Basil:

    Yep, it’s pretty funny. I don’t got Game the way most folks around here do (as in really applying what they read and share), nor do I have any interest to. By Roissy’s standards, I’m a beta, I suppose. I don’t go out and reap the whirlwind of poon. What comes my way is what comes my way, and given my hobbies and artsy-fartsy inclinations, I’ve at least had some good memories. I can’t keep them around for shit, but eh, a man’s got priorities, you know?

    I digress. Outside of the “Holy shit, I can’t believe how fucking tight *everything* is!” aspect of 18-21 year olds, there ain’t much to recommend them outside the initial first few nights. They’re dull, vapid, flaky, have crap taste and even worse knowledge and can’t mask their total self-absorption for even a second. For me, I can’t really enjoy a woman until she’s developed passions for something outside of her own damn navel, be it for ballroom dancing, watercolors, or what have you. Anyone outside of that age group mooning over their personal qualities (as opposed to their physical qualities, which as I have stated before, “yowza”) has got something wrong in his head or has never truly been intimate with them (or as in the aforementioned case study we’re talking about, both).

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  192. Basil,
    If I may, I don’t think you or anyone else has to or “should” run Game the way any of us do; its “Mission Variable”, I can see it now even though I’ve only been reading the “official” lit for a week now. Once you understand Woman in all her dimensions, you can apply it accross the spectrum, so to speak.

    So you don’t have to worry about trying to be like Roissy, etc. You don’t. Instead, you can take bits and pieces of Game and apply that to your life, and Roissy says as much here in the forum. You may not be a fullout Playa, but your lovelife will improve, even if its by just one point. On a scale of one to ten, a single point can mean a lot, and again Roissy has proven this with the beauty/makeup tests-posts he’s made in recent months.

    So, relax and sift through the posts, perhaps read a bit of the books, and find what’s comfortable, yet at the same time a bit of a challenge, for you to do. One of the most important aspects of Game that seems to elude folk is that in order for it to work, on any level, YOU HAVE TO BE WILLING TO MAKE A CHANGE. Internally first, ideally, and then externally.

    So, let’s say, for example, that you just ain’t into the Peacocking thing. Cool, I can dig it-but you CAN make sure your shoes like nice. You CAN make sure your clothes are pressed. You CAN keep up with haircuts and shaves, etc. Even when not in PM (Peacocking Mode), Women still pickup on little things like that Basil. And they add up.

    That’s why I mentioned what I said about Smell Goods, as we Brothas call them (Cologne, etc.). Women have a heightened sense of smell than we Men, and a good smelling Man will get extra points, trust me, I have marked this.

    OK, so let’s say that you don’t dig the cologne for whatever reason. OK, I can dig it. So use some really good soap and deodorant. I do. They got entire lines of the stuff JUST FOR MEN now, and guess what? It works. So you can wash your ass and still smell good, LOL.

    OK, so let’s look at a few “tweaks” you can use on the internal tip…

    Don’t say, “can I call you” or, “can I have your phone number”. If you ask a question like that, nine times outta ten the answer’s gonna be “no”. What you want to do is you want her to WANT to give you HER DIGITS. Now, how do you do that?

    By having good Conversation skills. This is a potential strength for you, because you have a strong educational background, and Women in our time highly value a Man who’s educated and actually talks like it. Heck, even a guy like me who never went on to college, and graduated from an inner city highschool can go far, because I’m curious about the world and always have been. So, I’m prepared to have a conversation with a Woman on a broad array of topics. Women like conversations, not interrogation.

    You just saw a bit of Game, Basil. Don’t ask questions; keep them limited and pick your shots. Instead, seek to build rapport with a Woman through conversation. You can do that because you’re educated, and hence why Women seekout educated Men because they assume that you’ll be able to engage them in conversation. Now, of course, that’s an assumption that’s reaching a bit, LOL. But you get the point.

    I can’t stress enough the importance of reading The Game. And something occured to me the other day as to why Style/Strauss was so effective and rose so quickly through the PUA ranks, and really impressed the need for me to work on this aspect of my own personality:

    And that’s because Style/Strauss is Subtle. He doesn’t bang you in the head with a club. And Women are very used to that heavy-handed approach and are very wary of it. Style got over because he was very subtle in a lot of ways. I get the same sense about you, and if I’m right that can be a powerful asset, because when you think about it, Subtlety plays a huge role in Seduction insofar as Women are concerned.

    OK, that’s it for now. But I told JAM that’d I’d post up some things I wrote for another guy elsewhere on the Net. That should be up soon.

    Holla back

    Salaam
    Mu

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  193. on December 13, 2008 at 8:20 am ROISSY THE BETA NERD

    Roissly clear spends waaaay too much time blogging here and cruising/commenting around the overall blogosphere – that makes him a beta nerd and definitely not an alpha.

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  194. — New Jersey Guidos seem to be very proud of their Guido-ness.

    Guidos must end in Philadelphia, because here in Metro DC I can go a year without seeing one. The white blue-collar guys here are overwhelmingly blond, of Anglo-Scotch-Irish descent. In Maryland, north of US-50, they speak with a Baltimore accent. South of Rt. 50, with a straight-up Southern accent.

    Maryland is a fascinating place, as far as cultural boundrylines go. The north part is very Union… at LaPlata, the South begins.

    — It still seems rather shameful since smart people always seem to be able to easily bring up quotes from literature.

    People who are gifted with a photographic memory bring up all kinds of stuff from recall. The rest of us who’ve been impressed by an awesome line of poetry or prose remember it more or less, but have to look up the actual text online to post it here.

    — Hell, it’s the least I can do given that I failed at the “real” smart people areas of science, math, and engineering…

    You’re slipping, David. I am very disappointed. Frankly, I expected a better performance.

    You were once a star. Your self-abnegations had life, a zip to them. The people felt it. It spoke to them.

    Today, you’re coasting on glories past and I am afraid it’s becoming self-parody. The audiences are getting bored, You need new material. Fast.

    — Morrison exuded a kind of raw sexuality that knocked Women on their butt. But that wasn’t anything new-Elvis was doing the same thing in the 50s, and The Beatles, only a few years later. What made Morrison different was those other guys were straightforward. Morrison wasn’t.

    Nont straightforward – that’s a good take on Morrison. Interestingly, he was hard on himself for not having Elvis’s sex appeal. He was particularly unhappy about Elvis having had a “sex-wise voice” in his teens while he (JM) described his own voice as juvenile, or something like that.

    Yet, that otherworldly voice is what made him not just another 60s rock star, but an enigma. That, plus his half-feline, half-reptilian movements, unfocused gaze, and a sensual infant-like blankness to his face. Unstraightforward – a damn enigma, to be sure.

    Agreed, Kilmer did a killer job on Morrison. He deserved an Oscar for that.

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  195. I don’t know if you read Half Sigma, but what I mean is that he’s downright germophobic about people who don’t have impressive academic credentials or other markers of respectability.

    It’s not so much him being a snob as it is him coming across as terrified of people who posess any qualities of masculinity, sociability, or what will you. He wrote something like 20 posts on Sarah Palin being borderline retarded because she went to a no-name college and likes the outdoors.

    I read Half Sigma sporadically. Actually, HS asserted that Sarah Palin’s IQ could not be much higher than 100 because of her poor general knowledge and because of her poor academic track record, that is, poor for a VP candidate of a first world nation with a population 300 million.

    Half Sigma detests proles and particularly white proles.

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  196. Try walking around the meat packing district on a Saturday night (or just drive around Staten Island) and tell me about the guido myth.

    Most are probably from the suburbs, not the outer boroughs.

    Peter

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  197. Even better than cornholing Lemmonex?

    i dunno… hooking lemmony-fresh up might be a fun time

    you think she takes it in the ass?

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  198. Attention slut:

    All the real smart people read Shakespeare and other selections from classic literature and can quote sections on demand, so I’d consider being unable to remember a book from 7 years ago as embarrassing and shameful.

    Jaakkeli nailed it. Only dimwits and social retards bother to memorize quotes from books.

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  199. @Eurosabra

    Actually, I’m self-employed and very well-off, however, not at my brothers level. Unlike women, that I seem to have a somewhat natural knack for, $$$’s came pretty hard. Bankruptcy was the cause of one of my divorces, and as my brother keeps pointing out to me, I’d be richer than God if stopped pursuing ideas at the fringe of science. I can’t help it. When you’re a scientist, the first question is always “what’s the nature of this thing?” not “how can I profit from it?”. And so it goes….

    Keep up on the Game front. It’s the great equalizer. One suggestion: With women, practice is everything. Newbies and betas, once they begin to understand Game, tend to over-reach, going for women that at that moment are still out of their grasp. Then failure just reinforces all the previous attitudes and kills all progress made. Work yourself up the hierarchy of beauty. Go after something plain, slender and at the edge of pretty. Get comfy being a charming cocky aggressive male and don’t hesitate to be a little rough, psychologically speaking, with them. And for goodness sake, pick the women that are already giving you a buy signal. If I had a dime for every man trying to pick up a woman who doesn’t like him from the get-go I could pay off the national debt.

    @Mu

    Your comment about Game and money is dead-on. Most of the woman I date don’t realize I have $$$ because I’m frugal, live modestly and do first dates in my clean beat-up Volvo. (Big kudos to Warren Buffet on the dont-waste-money on the latest status car.) Plus it keeps me clear of the gold-diggers.

    Guys, At a certain point, it’s immaterial what the resources are, except to resource conscious gold-diggers. It’s a tragic misinterpretation of Game by newbies to think in terms of financial status and equating it to alpha hierarchy importance. More important is to engage in the dance, to ebb and advance in synchrony with her interest, to do so in manners which advertise who you really are. Women are creatures of feeling, and if you make them feel all the right things, into your arms they go.

    And it works. Works so well it is scary and if you forget you have a real live mentality across from you, you could become a misogynist. It helps to remember it is 250,000 year-old program and that mate selection is not rational by the reality of the modern-day world.

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  200. Spike, “What comes my way is what comes my way”
    Some say one shouldn’t look for love, that “you should let love find you.” If you want a woman you have to be a man, you cannot be the passive, receptive one. Not addressing you so much as this popular view.

    Mu’min, thankfully I’ve gotten past the early phases you cover. I’m never thinking, ok, turn on game mode, I just roll with the situation.

    Style is a tool. He advises things that probably work, like stacking your wallet with pictures that DHV, but I really couldn’t stand being such a tool. I have too little energy and too much dignity to do that shit. He’s also totally emasculated – high voice, a bit antsy, effeminate. Maybe he has to be very indirect, because he’s so unattractive initially. You have to *be* masculine to go direct.

    In college, pussy is a function of social status/scene, and then game. Persistence and logistics are the finishing touches.

    I like Paul Janka; my mental ideal is a more aloof Rhett Butler in that clip I posted.

    I’m inspired to indulge in a bit of magnanimity. If you want any seduction related ebook (Roosh’s excepted), email me at [email protected]. It’s a junk account, so let me know in the comments that you’ve emailed me.

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  201. Yeah, Nicole doesn’t really need protecting. Being flamed over the internet ain’t going to make her cry.

    But what the hell, I’ll give her some social proof.

    Nicole is cool. Heavy, yes. Dreads yes. Somewhat embittered, yes.

    Who cares. She has a quality dad, she respects him and doesn’t have that “hole in the soul” that a lot of girls in the U.S. are afflicted with thanks to daddy issues. She seems to hold grudges against individual men rather than the entire gender. Doesn’t come across as flaky or obsessed with her appearance. Able to analyze social dynamics fairly objectively. Etc. That makes her on the Light Side in my book.

    The only reason to get p*ssed at her is because she isn’t as psychologically needy as the svelte 21-yr-olds who are more physically attractive.

    Nicole — I wouldn’t doubt some casual readers appreciate you representing clear-minded women in a world increasing populated by ignorant and/or bipolar types.

    —-

    PA et al.

    Sarah Palin had 5 good-looking kids, and could handle a gun, and most importantly didn’t have a victimization complex (Clinton campaign anyone…). All that impressed me, at first.

    Then we learned she attended 5 separate colleges. And couldn’t name a news source she regularly reads. And had a habit of firing competent subordinates so she could replace them with lackeys. And frankly she has a Clintonesque slipperiness with the truth.

    Hot, yes, but the GOP can do better.

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  202. Jaakkeli nailed it. Only dimwits and social retards bother to memorize quotes from books.

    Yup. Or use make constant unnecessary reference to latin terms in a discussion/debate.

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  203. Basil,
    Yup, its definitely true that Style/Strauss comes off a bit “soft” for guys like you and me. Having said that though, can you produce three or four manila envelopes full of phone numbers? My buddy Zam is a lot like Strauss, in that he’s a very laidback dude. He uses Excel spreadsheets to hold his phone numbers.

    How about you?

    Now, please, don’t get me wrong-I got no beef with you, man. I’m only saying, that there IS something to be said for knowing when to take it easy, and when to go Caveman. And truth be told, we need MORE of the former, and a bit LESS of the latter. Please note that I didn’t say kick either to the curb. But I’m learning the importance of *seducing* a woman, not whacking her over the head, you feel me? Style/Strauss has proven-PROVEN-with eyewitnesses-that he can do it. All I’m saying is that maybe, there might be something in that for all of us to learn from.

    Last night I talked about the Shoe Store. I could have really moved all the way on the gal that worked there if I wanted to. I didn’t, on purpose. First off, I wasn’t sarging, second I was still testing a few things out, and most importantly, I wanted to get used to the idea of “pulling” her to me, deliberately this time.
    Like you Basil, I’m a Hardcharger; if I wasn’t, I doubt I’d be alive right now. But I’m learning that such a thing is not always necessary when it comes to Women. Being suggestive, subtle and indirect, can have powerful allure-and it gives a Woman an out and/or a rationale for doing what she wanted to do inthe first place. I know for a fact that I killed many, many opportunities for some great weekends with some very nice Women because of my “default” setting of being a Hardcharger. Gotta know when to go there with that, as you said. I don’t disagree.

    But let’s not kill the goose who laid the golden egg either. Strauss has a lot to offer.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  204. Mason,
    Allow me to join you in giving Nicole some dap.

    I find her to be quite knowledgeable about a number of things, and that don’t mean that I agree with everything she says. Gentlemen, please keep first and foremost in your Minds, The Rule Of Ten Percent: ONLY 10% of ANYTHING a Woman says to you is of any good TO YOU.

    But there are some exceptions.

    One of them is when an older, more experienced Woman speaks on Matters such as these that is the reason for this Forum’s existence. She can be a fount of wisdom to guys trying to find their way to Women.

    Nicole’s been a Wife, possibly a Mother, and she has adult-age brothers. As you note, she had a Dad in her life who trained her properly. And I think its safe to say, that she’s had her fair share of orgasms. Putting all that together with her age make her, to a large extent, the exception to the Ten Percent Rule (another exception are cases like QT and Dirty Blonde), or perhaps I should say, that these ladies provide examples of the Ten Percent Rule at work.

    I just wish all the pointless bickering could at least slowdown; this is a site that has a lot to offer, and I consider it a serious public service. We all know what happens when Men don’t get any Nookie and are not Socialized by Women. They go on to become Serial Killers, Rapists and Suicide Bombers.

    So yea, I for one am thankful that Nicole is here to dispense a bit of Matronly advice from time to time. Listening to what she has to say does not in any way make me less a Man, or an Alpha. Indeed, I would beg to differ.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  205. CORRECTION: my earlier comments on Game were meant to be directed to Spike, not Basil. My bad.

    EL Guapo: Noted, and thanks. I’d just like to say, that I don’t think Game makes one into a Misogynist, etc. I think one already has to have those thoughts and views prior into coming into the Game.

    I have absolutely no problem with it insofar as it only deals with the realities of EP. Now of course, there are good and bad apps of Game, but that’s a statement more of the guy and or wider society; but Game in and of itself, I can find little wrong with.

    As I “reverse-engineer” myself in this regard, applying myself to the Mystery Method in the main, I am also careful to keep the undergirding ideas of Restraints on Power, that is laid down in stuff like The Federalist Papers. And indeed, the PUA community *does* have a kind of Code. So long as we adhere to these things, I don’t see a problem with it.

    So, for myself, the moment I discover a Woman is with someone else, I drop her. Its no longer about me, but about all of us, and this is something we Men need to get straight-we gotta get out of the idea of looking out only for ourselves. We gotta look out for each other, just like Hunters look out for each other. In fact, a lot of how I approach Game is modelled on Hunting. So, I don’t go “poaching” on another Man’s Woman; she belongs to him, I leave it at that. In fact, it ain’t got nothin’ to do with her, but me and him.

    Now, for real, if she’s showing me interest, and dude ain’t around, I could proceed. But if she says something like that to me, that shs got a Man, I now have to grapple with a whole new dynamic. One that may prove to be more trouble than it’s worth.

    Also, Social Shaming is a REAL thing for Women. If she can just jump from guy to guy with impunity, she will do so. I don’t want any part in that. Even if that means I get a little less nookie, so be it. My rakish ways only go but so far.

    Even if dude is a stompdown Beta-type. He’s still a Man, and he’s still entitled to respect and grace as a Man. If she wants me that bad, she’ll have done with him, first. But she can’t have both. She has to choose.

    That may be an idealistic way of looking at things, I fully and freely admit that. But that is the Way Mu rolls.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  206. Put me down as another fan of Nicole and her comments.

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  207. Earlier JAM asked if I would post a bit of the impromtu “e-book” I wrote for a young fella down on his luck that I mentioned eariler in this thread; the following three posts or so, are excerpts of said “book”. It should be said, that I wrote this several month BEFORE I got hold of the Mystery Method and The Game; it’s been a full week since I’ve read the latter and I’m still closely studying the former, as I write this. Also, please note that I incorporate a good bit of Astrology in what I’m saying to the Youngbuck. I’ve found that it has some powerful insights.

    Any and all feedback, welcome.

    On Fear Of Rejection/Loss: A True Story

    Posted: 15 Oct 2008, 06:16 PM

    MU: OK.

    Before we move on to matters concering Appearance and Deportment, we have got to address this overwhelming Fear of Rejection issue. The following true story from the Mu’s All-Time Greatest Hits Archives should suffice.

    Back in the 90s, prior to Mu’s Saturn Return, he happened to chance upon the one whom he refers to as “L” The Jewess. Mu met her during one of the local astrology meetups that used to take place then; it was either during a Jacob Schwartz lecture or a Buzz Myers lecture, but at any rate when time came to take Q&A from the audience, Mu made sure to shoot his hand up and represent, and had his chart put up on the screen before the crowd. L liked that.

    She was about 5’9″ or so, 160-165lbs, built close to the way Sistas are, very curvy, nice thighs and hips and what a set of knockers-you saw them coming around he corner befoe you saw the rest of her, LOL. She had straight raven black hair all the way to her ample booty, and skin as white as china. Her people were from Eastern Europe, and came to America to escape the Progroms. Both parents did very well for themselves, and she was going for a master’s degree at one of the colleges out on the Main Line at the time.

    So, she caught Mu’s eye, and they began to kick it. And so our story begins.

    One evening while busting it up on the horn, L The Jewess, who is a Scorpio w/the Moon in Capricorn and Venus in Sagittarius, decides to attempt a P*ssy Powerplay, a Scorpionic classic. She asks me for some information that I didn’t want to discuss, and she’d been asking me for this info for a few days at this point. So she decides to throw down the gauntlet:

    L: If you tell me so and so, we’re never going to have sex.

    MU: Really?

    L: Yup.

    MU: OK.

    *Click* (Dial tone)

    Wait for it…

    *Ring!* (Mu picks up phone) L is livid, and is just about to get into it, when I slammed the phone back down.

    Wait for it…

    *Ring! Ring! Ring!* (This time, Mu merely picks up the receiver over the base holds it there for 3 seconds, hangs back up, yanks line out of wall)

    Wait for it…

    (L hits Mu up on his Sky Pager. Mu takes the damn thing off, takes the battery out it and throws it in the dresser drawer)

    From that point on, for roughly the next month or so, Mu refuses to speak to L The Jewess. Won’t take her calls at his spot. Won’t wear his pager. She calls Mother Mu’s house looking for her only son, no dice. And, she even calls Mu’s gig, but Mu wisely pre-empts all that by telling the fellas the deal. L even comes by the gig a few times, but the fellas at the gig run interference for him. Now that’s gangsta.

    Finally, while Mu is visiting Mother Mu and about to sitdown to her fried chicken/collard greens & homemade mac&cheese dinner (God, I miss that!), L calls. Mother Mu answers the phone, and says to Mu, “Mu’Min PLEASE pickup the phone, the girl’s crying!”.

    Mu remains seated for a few moments. Gathers his thoughts. Takes a deep breath, gets up from the table, and takes the phone from Mother Mu.

    Before he can fully say “Hello?” L blubbers “I’m Soooory!”

    MU: OK. *Pregnant pause*

    L: *still crying* Can you come over?

    MU: I’m eating.

    L: OK, well can you please come over after you finish?

    MU: It’ll be late and I have to go to work tomorrow…

    L: *cutting him off* It doesn’t matter how late, just please come?

    MU: *Sighs* OK.

    Two hours later, Mu shows up at L’s doorstep. 15 minutes later, Mu is hilt-deep in some of the wettest cooch he’s ever had that didn’t belong to a squirter.

    Mu left for work the next morning, from L’s place. She drove him in.

    The moral of this story, my Young Friend, is threefold:

    One: you must never be afraid to lose anything. Learn how to let go of all you fear to lose. Fear can and will cripple a man. It will rob you of your Will to Act. It will rob you of your Will to Live.

    Two: Women can and will, of Evolutionary necessity, test you as a Man. She will do and say things to see how you react. If you show any signs of hesitancy, weakness, or fear, she will begin to have doubts about you and in due course of time it will turn into contempt. Be mindful of what we dicussed wrt a Woman’s need to Respect a Man.

    Three: Women are often under the impression that their p*ssy is their Trump Card. Sadly, this is proven true for many men of lesser quality and inner backbone. Being able to withdraw from her takes some doing but can be done. Especially when they do what L did. If you fold here, the Game is most assuredly Over.

    You must learn to confront your fear, A. Until you do, you will NEVER get laid. Because your fear will hold you back from every great opportunity to knock some boots. Hearing the word “No” is not the end of the world, man. In fact, once you get good w/handling rejections, I’ll show you how to turn those No’s around ino Yes’. Nothing’s better than winning the Cooch from a Gal who swore she’d never break you off. I’ve done it. In time, so will you.

    Transit Saturn, the Planet of Fear, Taskmasters, Maturity and Responsibilty, is moving through Virgo (“the rules”), and is squaring your Moon in the 7 house, and your natal Saturn rising in the Asc. It passes through your 10 house of Destiny. Time to Grow Up.

    Learn this Lesson well my Padawan, and you too will know what it is to bathe in the Vaginal Juices of a Hot Woman.

    Amin.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  208. Richard NixonI’m sorry, but Asian women don’t do it for me. What the hell is their appeal, anyway? On average, they have no curves, no ass, and no tits; in other words, they have none of the features that make an attractive female
    Not quite

    Goggle Du Juan
    There are over one billion Asian women and there is at least one you’ll find attractive.

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  209. Michael Blowhard, I’m a fan of Nicole’s comments as well. I was so happy to see her reappear.
    *waiting for the return of elizabeth*

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  210. very good stuff, MuMin. i hope you publish the entire book soon.

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  211. DF
    z, the male birth control pill, which is likely to become a reality quite soon if perfected would solve the child support dilemma before it really is a problem

    The male birth control pill was invented a few years ago.
    josh randall
    I’d rather chow down on the not so pretty pussy of a real woman than a hair covered piece of silicon any day

    I think most men would
    11minutesThat’s why this post triggered less heated debated among the female audience than the “above size 2 or age 30 you’re an ugly fuck” posts on this blog. This is where Roissy hits the female weakspot
    Not really, I don’t care either way.

    Nicole This mentality exists still in many cultures wherein a certain class or caste’s women are considered usable for sex but not suitable for long term relationships or marriage
    This is one of the three things that I hate not dislike but hate about men.

    Spike gomesI wonder if he notices that, or if he’s too busy lambasting people who underdress for winter or prefer women above the age of 20 (Feel the rage of my anonymous blog postings, you deluded proles! I’m roasting you fools online, just like I roast you in my head when I see you in your short jackets with dessicated 25 year olds!) As for banging 16 year olds or just dancing with them, I’m not quite sure if he knows the difference between the two acts

    😯
    *grabs heart, stumbles and yells*
    Grandpa, I’m coming.

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  212. “The male birth control pill was invented a few years ago.”

    See the below link. This article suggests that although the technology is almost available for the masses few men polled were absolutely enthusiastic about it. Most said either they’d do it if their partner asked or that they’d never consider it. We think now that men who refuse to wear condoms only do so because of reduced sensation but perhaps there’s something fundamental about direct participation in contraception that men dislike.

    I’m all for the male pill. On a social level I think that women trying to trap men for marriage or child support is very bad and on a personal level I always use two forms of bc and I think you can’t be too careful. However there’s no way I’d rely on the male pill exclusively because I wouldn’t trust anyone else in such a matter where I have so much more to lose. Any woman who puts the bulk of contraceptive responsibility on a man is a fool.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/

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  213. ” the male birth control pill, which is likely to become a reality quite soon if perfected would solve the child support dilemma before it really is a problem.”

    There’s an equal chance of the opposite – guys lying that they’re on the pill to get some sweet unbridled pussy. Reality Check!

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  214. Hey Y’all,
    Thanks for the kudos. I’m posting up Parts One & Two of my thoughts on The Friend Zone…

    The Friend Zone

    Posted: 14 Oct 2008, 07:07 PM

    A: And she just left me a message right as I was typing up her birthchart for this thread. Heres what it says :

    “hey a……
    i could say i wish u didnt, but that is pointless and truth-denying. im glad u love me man, but truth is what it is. and u know i dont feel anything for you beyond…..friendship,
    and i cant hold that from you cuz you are a special guy and i think we were “meant” to be friends, u know?
    so honesty rules.
    love ya too.
    -c”

    Should I write back or not?

    Posted: 14 Oct 2008, 10:01 PM

    *Mu visibly winces after reading C’s “Friend” letter to A*

    MU: Welcome to The Friend Zone, my young Padawan. It happens to all Jedi sooner or later. Better you experience this now, so as to properly prepare an appropriate response in future. As your skills increase, you’ll have the confidence to repel such attempts and to turn back such suggestions. But not strong enough in the Force are you at this time to do such things. Soon.

    Don’t write back. Take this as one to grow on.

    When a woman puts you in The Friend Zone, forever, usually, will you remain, never to tap that azz and make her call out for Jesus regardless of her religious affiliation. Only Jedis of the highest levels of training, experience and deep connection w/the Force can extricate themselves from such a place. The Friend Zone is Woman’s way of kicking you to the curb.

    Let this be a Lesson for you, Adam. And it is a powerful one indeed.

    Love comes easily for Women, in fact perhaps a bit too easily. Observe how when a new baby is on the scene, all the women melt. To men its no big deal.

    If you want to get more ass, you must win the respect of the Target. Doing so will prevent future visits to The Friend Zone.

    No woman wants a man beneath her. This is why CEOs who are female tend to remain single if they aren’t already married/hooked up. And this extends accross the spectrum-you name it. Woman wants to respect the man she’s giving up the booty to, wants to look up to him.

    So, ask yourself, A-why should C break you off, hmm? Why? Because you’re a good guy? A nice guy?

    Let me tell you something A, good and nice guys rarely if ever get laid. Trust me on this. It’ll save you lots of Kleenex and blue balls.

    A man w/more balls and a devil may care attitude is most certainly taking command of C’s flanks this weekend, if not as we speak. You, the nice, good guy, who’s professed his love for her, will be, a “friend”.

    So, what we need to do right now is discuss key elements of your horoscope. And the first thing you must learn is to master yourself. For if you cannot master yourself you never, ever, be a master of the poon.

    Your chart gives you the tools to know your strengths and be mindful of your weaknesses. Personally, I like to play to one’s strengths. But real growth comes by turning liabilities into assests.

    So, we’ll begin w/Venus in Capricorn, something we both share.

    My personal experience of more than a solid decade in the field and half a decade of teaching tells me, that there are three difficult Sign placements for Venus: Aquarius, Virgo and Capricorn. You and I drew the latter, so let’s deal w/that.

    Back when I first got into astrology, not much was said in a good light about this placement. In fact, to let a lot of old timey books and the like tell it, I might as well to jump off a cliff. And most of the astrologers I talked to about it, weren’t much better.

    So, Mu had to apply the universally reknowned Mu Intellect in order to uncover the secrets of this position. And I have found the following.

    Capricorn anything means that hard work is involved. Lots of burning the midnight oil will be required, and doing lots of shit jobs before one sees any benefits. But oh, the benefits do come, if one is patient.

    Venus in Capricorn in a male’s chart often will mean that he will have to work harder to understand what makes women tick-but-once he gets it, he gets it. Its not guesswork, its not a natural-born gift; its the result of years of study and practice, practice, practice. Guys like us, we KNOW women. Very well, in fact.

    Sepharial once said that Venus in Capricorn is one heck of a lusty placement; this is because, according to him, Venus sits in Mars’ exaltation Sign. Now, in your case, we see an interesting situation; Mars is in Aries. If we switch Venus for Mars in your chart, Venus goes to Aries, and Mars goes to Capricorn, a kind of mutual reception-and reminds me of my situation, where Venus is in Capricorn and Mars is in Libra. We some horny guys, LOL, and we know how to use it. People w/Venus and Mars in Cardinal Signs usually have a very dynamic sex drive, ie, very active.

    Oh, and something else, please don’t ever, ever, tell some girl you ain’t knocked off you love her. God, that reeks of desperation, and women DO NOT LIKE THAT. You got Venus in Capricorn for God’s sake. Act like it. Nothing phases you. You shall not be moved. Be the rock in the storm. And be remarkably consistent. Women love consistency. Trust me.

    Earlier I spoke of the need to study women. Don’t ever ask women questions about this kind of stuff because 99% of the time they’ll give you completely inaccurate info ad you will end up w/some serious blue balls. Instead, just observe them. Go girl and women watching. Listen to what they say and see if that matches up to what they do. Don’t be surprised if they do not match in any way whatsoever. Remember, Women are governed by the Moon, Venus and Neptune.

    Oh yea, stop being so damn rational. Women are not rational. All that Air in your chart is getting in the way of the flow of things. And as for that Moon-Saturn piece, put that together w/Venus in Capricorn and learn step by step things to do and say. Don’t try to make ish up as you go along, it won’t work. Stick to the script. At least for now.

    And finally, we get to the grand finale: F*cking. Simply put, if you don’t do it, how can you be good at it? There’s no silver bullet here my man, your Couch skills will be in direct proportion to the amount of bedtime you get and I don’t mean sleeping. This is very important because a man is ALWAYS expected to perform. All a woman needs to do is lay back and spread her legs. You need to do a lot more than that.

    You need practice son, and there’s a few ways you can go about it. But per your chart, I think the best way to go is the older gals. Try 35 and up. They’ll be easier for you to talk to, you can practice the things we talked about here, and, they have lots of experience and are usually willing to learn a youngbuck the ropes. They don’t play as many headgames as the younger gals do, and many of them very much like the idea of a much younger man sexually interested in them. And they usully don’t expect anything longterm, or if they do, its usually just as “friends w/benefits”. You’re in the Sunshine State, and you’re an artsy-type, so it should be real easy to spot some Cougars.

    That’s another thing-the bank robber Willie Sutton I think that’s his name, when asked why he robbed banks, said because that’s where the money is. You gotta put yourself where the poontang is. And as you’re into photography (women just LOVE having their pictures taken! Booty Magnet stuff all day) you’re in a perfect position to be right in the line of the females. Remember Adam, a lot of this has to do w/location, location, location. The closer you are to the ladies, the better yor chances.

    And lastly, Rejection. You must learn to weather rejection if you want to be successful. Listen to what Zam said. And he’s a bona fide natural born Booty Magnet, and even he gets a good number of No’s. It happens to the best of us, and there’s no avoiding it. Women are evolutionarily hardwired to say No. By nature they are very choosy, this is because of thousands of years of needing to choose the right phallus to impregnate them; if they chose badly, they could wind up stuck w/a kid(s) by a knucklehead, and worse, no other good guy would want to take her on; she’s damaged goods. If you want to see a very basic example of this idea in action, go to your local mall and watch the women milling around for HOURS trying to pick the right thing for the right price. Notice how relatively few men are there. There you go.

    OK, let’s take a look at C’s chart…

    Salaam
    Mu

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  215. The Friend Zone, Part Two

    Posted: 15 Oct 2008, 03:21 AM

    MU: OK A, hopefully you’ve had the chance to study what I’ve told you thus far, and there’ll be more depending on how well you digest the material. Now we’ll briefly examine C’s horoscope.

    I’m glad that you posted up the charts of the other two gals; later tonight we’ll examine them as well. Do me a favor, please: type out their birthdata for me? Not the planetary positions, etc, I mean their actual birthdates, times and places, OK? I work from my smartphone most of the time and its tough to make out the chart writing. Thanks.

    Before I begin, let me say one other thing about The Friend Zone: its better to be hated than be a “friend”. Why? Because lust, love, hate, they are all deep emotions stirred by the passions, and women are heavily swayed by their emotions, and never as much as when they are *passionate emotions*. Would it surprise you to know that a women will give up the booty to a guy she claims she can’t stand his guts before she ever will to a “friend”? Its true. Trust me. In fact, sometimes a woman’s hooch is best when she is soooo mad at you, LOL. I don’t know if you saw it already, but if you haven’t checkout a flick called A History of Violence. It stars that dude that was in Lord of the Rings. There’s a scene where he’s w/his wife on the stairwell of his house. Study that scene well young man. It will net you much jucy, wet, tight, passionate poon.

    OK, so to C’s chart. *Mu shakes head* A, this was so easy a mark, you should have a tapped it, at the longest, a week out from getting the preliminaries out of the way? First off, our eyes zoom right in to her Mars-Pluto conjunction in Scorpio in the 5 house, ruled by Venus. Who in turn is in Capricorn, and is angular, in the 7 house. Now, notice how Venus and Mars are connected here, son-Venus is in Mars’ exaltation Sign, while Mars is in Venus’ Sign of detriment-this gal is a stompdown freak. And if that ain’t enough, she got Mercury=Venus/Mars=Venus/Pluto!!!

    The Signs involved here-Capricorn and Scorpio-mean business. You can’t f*ck around when they’re on the scene. This is a woman who loves a take-charge man…which you were most certainly, not.

    Remember what I’ve been saying about the importance of the Moon, Venus and Neptune in a woman’s chart? These are “silent” planets, irrational, feeling, emotice, intuitive. A woman’s inner life is greatly defined by these planets, and if you really want an insight into her you must understand well what these planets mean.

    Now, just look at C’s chart-Moon in Virgo rules the Cancer Asc; Venus is in the 7 in Cap as already stated; and Neptune sits right on the Dsc, opposing the Asc, in the 7. In fact, her Moon sits in the 4 and right on the IC point, opposing the MC, and all of this means that all three planets are angular. And since the Moon’s in Virgo and square Uranus, all of this, her sense perceptions of you, her willingness to go there w/you, etc, is happening at warpspeed; in fact Adam, I can tell you that you had a solid chance to nail this gal but good and messed it up by your waiting for the so-called “right moment”. Her moods are flighty man. You gotta hit it when she’s in that mood, and by the looks of this gal’s chart that ain’t too hard to tell. J’s right: timing is everything for a woman.

    (“J” is a woman about 40 years of age who was cosigning everything I said to A; Social Proof 101 – and the best kind is that which comes from other Women)

    And the fact that your Mars was square her Venus!!!-dammit I slap the crap outta you. LOL. Umm, umm, umm.

    So, yea, let this be a strong lesson for you, A. Remember all that we’ve discussed thus far. Apply what you have learned. And watch your Booty Garden grow.

    Holla back

    Salaam
    Mu

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  216. “Let me tell you something A, good and nice guys rarely if ever get laid. Trust me on this. It’ll save you lots of Kleenex and blue balls.

    A man w/more balls and a devil may care attitude is most certainly taking command of C’s flanks this weekend, if not as we speak. You, the nice, good guy, who’s professed his love for her, will be, a ‘friend’.”

    You can have a confident, devil-may-care attitude and still be a caring person. Those guys are the absolute best.

    And my avatar situation is now, thankfully, resolved. Merry Christmas from Hello Kitty!

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  217. Merry Xmas, Hello!

    Thanks for the input.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  218. And my avatar situation is now, thankfully, resolved. Merry Christmas from Hello Kitty!

    Hello Kitty is cute. 🙂

    women just LOVE having their pictures taken

    From what I’ve seen, while a few do, most seem to be upset once I hold my DSLR and aim at them with my lenses, and many have given dirty looks.

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  219. You can have a confident, devil-may-care attitude and still be a caring person. Those guys are the absolute best.

    I understand the combination of a confident and caring personality, but I fail to see how a devil-may-care attitude can work with being a caring person. One would suspect that those traits would conflict, and that while a devil-may-care attitude may be great for a short-term fling with an alpha, it’s probably the worse trait for a long-term relationship with a beta male.

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  220. David, I think it depends on whether it’s “devil may care” or uncaring. There’s a fine line, and I think where it is depends on the woman, and what culture she was brought up in. I’d say that until she has earned your trust, ride just below her certainty zone.

    She should always understand that she has just as much to earn and to prove as you do. So you don’t want her to be deathly afraid to call you, but you do want her to know that if she does, you aren’t going to jump every time she says to.

    It’s not mistreating a woman to let her know that you have a life and that you have limits.

    Another thing to understand is that a woman who isn’t used to courting and wasn’t brought up in an environment where a guy being romantic doesn’t mean that he’s clingy or obsessive, is not going to magically get it just because she’s dating you. In the beginning, you kind of have to train them to be able to accept your kindness as that, and not as a wussy method of getting into her pants.

    For that, you have to show her the difference between men and women, and make sure you’re the man. Once that’s done, your presence can be appreciated for what it is: something you do because you want to, not because you have to.

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  221. Well, since its early on Sunday Morning and everyone’s still asleep I thought it would be a good time to post this UPDATE:

    I have now read cover to cover the Mystery Method, and find a particular Providence in this, as it was only seven days ago that I received both this book and The Game; as noted previously, I read the latter first. Doing this has really made clear what the former writ’s message is.

    Elsewhere in the Forum, the Question of the meaning of Christmas and so on came up. I’d been meaning to address that issue particularly within the context of Game, among other points of interest. I’d like to do that now if I may.

    First, let me say that, as a Muslim, I have no problem whatsoever with Christmas, Easter, Lent, Yom Kippur, or any other non-Islamic holiday. I think Xmas in particular is a wonderful American Tradition, and do not want to see it changed in any way, if anything I want to see it strengthened. Traditions matter. And Mu just loves that Mistletoe.;)

    Now having said that, I’d like to share something that occured to me earlier this week. There is the view among many that Theology and Erotica cannot coexist. Although I’m not a Cleric, I must vociferously disagree, and this really came home for me as I was studying The Game.

    For those who know, The Game comes in the form of a Bible, complete with gold-edged pages. Its supposed to be a “bible” to Players. But upon further reflection it may have deeper meaning than perhaps Style/Strauss intended.

    Mu’s study, and this is just as a layman, or the Holy Scriptures-which include the Qur’an, Bible and Bhagavad-Gita, informs him that amorous pleasures are to be found throughout these books’ pages; and that if one reads very closely, they will most definitely see Game in them.

    For example, the whole idea behind Game is to understand Women via Evolutionary Psychology. In Islamic terms, Allah (God) is said to have given Man “one part of desire” and Woman “nine parts of desire”. If my memory serves, I think its the number.

    Now, think about that for a moment. Doesn’t that sound an awful lot like what EPs, and what we hear in Roissy’s Forum, talk about? For guys, sexuality is very straightforward affair, is it not? And as we all know, Women are on some other ish when it comes to a lil Bump n Grind.

    Within the Qur’an, the Hadiths, and throughout Islamic culture(s), Men are called to woo Women-dont that sound like Game?

    And in the Bible, we all have heard of the Psalms, part of which, if memory serves, Solomon woos Sheba, who is described as “Black but Comely”. And we all know, that Solomon was a Player’s Player, right?

    Then there’s David, who had mad Game. Look it up.

    And let’s not get started on Abraham.

    And over on the Hindu side, the Holy Writs are replete with accounts of how Shiva wooed Parvati, and so on, that he used an indirect means to do so(!). Again, look it up.

    So it occurs to Mu, as he continues to study the Scirptures of the Crimson Arts (Roissy, I’m using that!), that Game is in fact as old as Humankind, and confirms what Science has told us about ourselves.

    While I’m on that point, let me say, that as a Believer, I completely embrace Science, and by extension, my fellow Brothers and Sisters who choose NOT t Believe. It doesn’t diminish me one bit to sit down and reason with them, or them with me. There is no compulsion in matters of Faith, one way or another. That’s what makes America Great.

    But for me, knowing that Game is something that is firmly rooted in both Science and Theology, the world over, only deepens my own faith in the two. For me, they do not conflict. Quite the contrary, they go together like a hand in glove.

    One of my favorite religious figures has got to be Paul, author of the Book of Romans.

    It is said that while on the road to Damascus the Truth was revealed by the Lord to Paul, and that the Truth was so powerful that he was knocked off his horse. Now in no way do I compare myself to Paul, but I definitely understand his experience after the past week. Its what they call an Epiphany.

    And now, Everything is Illuminated.

    Can I get an Amen?

    Salaam
    Mu

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  222. Then there’s David, who had mad Game.

    In the context of this blog, this sounds pretty funny

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  223. David — You can be one and the the other. You can shift modes and personas. At one moment a rogue, at another moment a pillar of certainty and stability. FWIW, I sometimes find conversations around here frustrating in the way people are trying to nail down the ONE WAY guys should be or act. There isn’t any one way, and I marvel at the determination some have to want the ONE WAY, given how much of a trap all the ONE WAYs in the world quickly turn into. As a commenter said long ago, it didn’t used to be a big deal for a guy to be part good guy (trustworthy, solid, etc) and bad boy (mischievous, masculine, etc). These days, for some reason I can’t make sense of, guys seem to type themselves as either one or the other. Any idea why?

    Mu’Min — Amen indeed. I don’t have any trouble juggling sex, religion and science either. One of the reasons I resonate so much to Vedanta and Tantra (my fave spiritual traditions) is how easy and rewarding they make it to explore all three kinds of accounts and experiences. Does Islam do something similar for you?

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  224. “I understand the combination of a confident and caring personality, but I fail to see how a devil-may-care attitude can work with being a caring person. One would suspect that those traits would conflict, and that while a devil-may-care attitude may be great for a short-term fling with an alpha, it’s probably the worse trait for a long-term relationship with a beta male.”

    If you look at Rhett Butler in the film “Gone With The Wind” (assuming you don’t find the film too racist, which I’ll leave to your judgement) you’ll see what I mean. Rhett didn’t care one whit about stupid social conventions like not dancing with a widow in mourning and did not shrink from stating his opinion in the face of consensus against him.

    He was a fun-loving man with a taste for booze and broads but didn’t take shit from anyone and looked out for himself. But in his heart he really was a patriot and went to fight a losing war, and for the people he really cared about (Scarlet, Mammy, Melanie, his daughter) he was there whenever they needed him. He did indeed have a weak spot for his narcissistic wife, but he didn’t think the role of a masculine man was to prioritize sleeping around above all else.

    “Hello Kitty is cute.”

    *giggling*

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  225. “There isn’t any one way, and I marvel at the determination some have to want the ONE WAY, given how much of a trap all the ONE WAYs in the world quickly turn into. As a commenter said long ago, it didn’t used to be a big deal for a guy to be part good guy (trustworthy, solid, etc) and bad boy (mischievous, masculine, etc). These days, for some reason I can’t make sense of, guys seem to type themselves as either one or the other. Any idea why?”

    I think that for white middle class guys the suppression of masculinity in our society -which I call neutered instead of feminized because I don’t find such men to be feminine – has gone so far that the some of the only guys who have successfully resisted it (at least in terms of courtship) it are guys who are not only high testosterone but have other problems. And it’s also a backlash.

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  226. Mike B.,
    Excellent question. The Qur’an is seen not just as a theological/spiritual document, but also one which explains God’s Creation in all its dimensions; in this respect, the Qur’an is a scientific document as well. For example, Surah 96, The Clot, is actually a discussion on human DNA; and other chapters of the Qur’an discuss aspects of animal and human life (for example, The Bees, etc.). Also, keep in mind that the backslide of Islam is a recent thing; historically, some of the world’s most erudite scholars and scientific minds came from the Islamic World.

    I often have debates with a number of Muslim Brothers on these issues; please keep in mind that the “official” version of Islam is actually Wahabbism/Salifism, extreme fundamentalist strains of Islam that are really at odds with some of the core and basic tenets of the Deen itself. Needless to say, that I reject that sort of thing and denounce, without apology, that kind of fake the funk Islam.

    Islam recognizes that when Man and Woman get together, Sex Happens. And this is why certain “rules” were put into place, *in the public square*. Private matters are just that, private. Please note that Discretion is a watchword among Players.

    Hello Kitty,
    You make a good point about we High-T Brothas, which is why I try to stress to them the utmost importance of Work for us. Its a productive way to sublimate all that T-stuff. That’s what I do, 70-hour plus work weeks are not unfamiliar to me.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  227. “Hello Kitty,
    You make a good point about we High-T Brothas, which is why I try to stress to them the utmost importance of Work for us. Its a productive way to sublimate all that T-stuff. That’s what I do, 70-hour plus work weeks are not unfamiliar to me.”

    I wasn’t talking about you or anyone who posts here. I meant the guys who started the pickup movement, the guys who promote perpetual sexual conquest as the ideal lifestyle. I suppose there’s one happy, secure serial womanizer out there but if he exists I’ve never met him.

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  228. Hello — “Pussywhipped” is a good term for it too. “Backlash”? … I wonder. There’s certainly a lot of lashing out that goes on. But it’s largely being done by guys who never knew what life pre-institutionalized-pussywhipping was. So I wonder if “backlash” is right. I generally feel benevolent towards the acting-out — I see it as guys doing what guys will do when they discover for the very first time that it’s OK to enjoy some ball-clanking. “Get back to ’em in five years, once they’ve got that out of their systems,” is my general feeling about it. It’s healthy, I suspect, though I certainly hope their development doesn’t stop there. As for serial womanizing … I dunno, I’m not going to put it down. It can be neurotic, it can be a phase … But there really are many different kinds of guys: daddies, geeks, authority figures, army generals, stoners … And that’s all OK. And certainly one classic male type is the rake. Maybe Roissy’s a genuine lifelong rake type. Such guys do exist. Maybe he’s going thru a rake phase. Maybe he’s making it all up. No business of mine.

    Mu’Min — Very interesting, tks. My ignorance of Islam knows no bounds, so all tips and hints are appreciated. I’ve always suspected that the branch of it I might resonate to would be Sufism, but that’s probably naivete. I’m just an old semi-hippie deep inside. If you don’t mind one further question? What is it about Islam that holds such an appeal for a number of black American people? Not you specifically, but the whole thing one sees around sometimes. Does it help order and explain life in a satisfying way? There must be something about it that resonates with the soul and spirits of some black folks, right? What would that be, would you say?

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  229. Hello Kitty,
    Oh, OK. My bad.:)

    Hmm. Well, clearly, anything taken to an extreme poses a problem, not doubt about that. I think if one has as much of a well rounded life will have little to worry about. Of course, that’s easier said than done, right?

    I think “happiness” comes from, at least in part, having a full and as balanced a life as possible. I think that a Man who is living up to his full potential and is doing what he was put here to do, in all ways, is a happy Man. So to that extent I would agree with you Hello.

    Hmm…

    Salaam
    Mu

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  230. Mike B.,
    No problem, bro, thank you!

    As to your Question: um, I think that for many Black Men, Islam speaks to, well, Manliness in a way that current day Christianity, no disrespect to my Christian Brothers, does not. And yup, its way of ordering one’s life has a strong allure for many a Brotha, no doubt about it.

    Personally, this is gonna sound weird, but I can hear God speak to me when I’m in the ranks among the Brothas. One of the most oft-repeated chapters during Salaat/Prayer is known as Al-Iklas, or “The Unity”. Its a powerful piece.

    Btw, prayers are actually encouraged to be made together rather than alone, although obviously if one is alone so be it. Men always lead (sound familiar?) the Salaat; Women either in the back or on one side of the Mosque, Men on the other. Personally, I prefer the latter arrangement, as I see Woman as my Equal in the Theological and Metaphysical sense, but not in the Physical one.

    Also, the layout of the Mosque is meant to convey the fundaments of Islam; there is no Papacy or heirarchal setup in the Islamic World as such, although there have been a long tradition of Ulema, or Islamic Scholars. Imams are only those who lead the prayers, usually an Elder Man who has a better grasp of the Qur’an or sections of it. He will also give a brief Sermon on Jummah Prayers on Friday a bit after Noon, usually on some topic relating to Islam.

    One of my favorite Imams is a Man named Professor Abdullah Ghandhistani, of Southern India. He’s darker than me, and what I loved about his Sermons was that he actually “made it plain” as Malcolm X would say, talking about current events and relating them back to the Deen.

    Anyway, going back to the physical layout of the Mosque: there are no pews or chairs; everyon sits on the rug, which is usually green. In fact, you’ll notice that color being prominent in the Islamic World because it was the Prophet Muhammad’s favorite color.

    The purpose of everyone sitting on the rug is to convey that everyone is equal in the eyes of God; a poor man will often sit right next to a rich one.

    Earlier I mentioned my time with “L” The Jewess. Per Islamic tradition, a Muslim male may take a Muslim, Christian or Jewish Woman as his Wife. They are considered People of The Book-the Bible and Torah. And, once she was straightened out, she was quite a Wifey indeed.;)

    Anyway, hopefully my rambling had some answers in there for ya, LOL!

    Salaam
    Mu

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  231. “But it’s largely being done by guys who never knew what life pre-institutionalized-pussywhipping was. So I wonder if ‘backlash’ is right. ”

    Well, I consider it sort of a geyser since masculinity is a force of nature that can’t be repressed. It’s not really political.

    “As for serial womanizing … I dunno, I’m not going to put it down. It can be neurotic, it can be a phase … But there really are many different kinds of guys: daddies, geeks, authority figures, army generals, stoners …”

    True, but I was referring to your point about guys who have to be alpha all the time instead of having a more adaptable personality. When I said that the original PUAs tend to be somewhat screwed up I certainly wasn’t suggesting that they were the only ones. Every one has issues, but I think the refusal to ever be a nice guy, to ever be subordinate in any context is problematically.

    That said, there are many women who expect their men to be unflappable in every single circumstance and never show a moment’s weakness. The truth is that every man has a little boy inside him and a woman who isn’t fond, or at least accepting, of that little boy isn’t worth having anything long term with. So my criticism of the 24/7 alpha ideal is that it never allows men to see if their women can accept their boyishness.

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  232. Mu – Appreciated and enlightening, tks. I’m enjoying your reflections and comments a lot.

    Hello — Oh, you were talking specifically about the 24/7 alpha ideal? That is indeed weird, as any kind of perfectionism is. Adaptable is a better model for most guys, it seems to me. Real alphas are a great topic — but real Alphas are also few and far between, as far as I can tell. And real Alphas are Alpha 24/7 because that’s just what they are.

    As for the rest of us … I dunno, I take most of the yak around here with a huge grain of salt. Guyz who spend time trying to figure out what an Alpha would do aren’t born Alphas, to put it mildly. But I view this yak about how-to-be-an-Alpha benignly. I feel by and large like I’m peeping in on a bunch of pussywhipped-but-now-free 12 year olds trying to figure out how to be men in the most basic kinds of ways. Which is a good thing. You go, guyz. So I judge much of the carrying on here as evidence of a phase in development, not as a final, well-arrived-at conclusion. Let’s hope, anyway.

    All that said, “Game” (and these conversations generally) seem to me to bear the same relationship to traditional masculinity and courtship as hiphop bears to traditional music — ie., it’s big, obvious, crude, cartoonish, clueless … But also, apparently, effective, often brilliant in its own way, resonant with the times we live in, and here to stick around for at least a while.

    Very interesting for someone as ancient as I am … To a guy like me, who grew up before ’70s-style feminism, guys who have grown up post-’70s feminism seem to be of another species entirely.

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  233. Somehow, I feel the need to curse Michael Blowhard, Nicole, and Hello (Kitty) for coming up with a response to my previous comment where I can’t even come up with a half-assed reply replete with smart-alecky responses and attention whoring and depressed emotions as a response…

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  234. Mike B, you are the man.

    Dave Alex, let me ask you, please: whatt is the playlist on your iPod/MP3/CD Player? Just real curious, and I ask for a very important reason. Thanks.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  235. >> whiskey … The danger IMHO is not “rage” but rather “not caring” and “not defending” and the swift decay of social infrastructure along with the physical.

    beta here, making role call. I’m the electrical engineer who couldn’t get chicks. Late thirties, no wife, no kids, poor “game”. Long since discovered Houellebecq, F Roger Devlin, Stephen Baskerville, Roissy, et al. It’s amazing how fast this material can cause a profound change in macro-social world view.

    It’s been a (mostly) solitary journey, but there are some big advantages that I now appreciate. No wife, no kids = no divorce and child support liability. And work is now largely optional, which means I can do more interesting things, like semi-retire, study “game”, and bang thirty-somethings.

    My case is hardly Atlas Shrugged. Perhaps Beta Shrugged(TM) works better. That term seems to be the theme of whiskey’s postings. Which are outstanding, I might add.

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  236. Dave Alex, let me ask you, please: whatt is the playlist on your iPod/MP3/CD Player?

    I don’t keep playlists per se, and I really can’t give a count of most played songs since I screwed around with my library and added a new iPod to the collection.

    I have nearly no hip-hop or country, so most of music is composed of dance and pop. Most of collection isn’t of complete albums, but the bits and pieces that I like from various artists.

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  237. Icicle chooch opined:
    “I was thinking more along the lines of understanding why you feel threatened enough to try to harm me.”

    Fat ignorant retards with no sense of fun tend to fuck up most parties. Nobody feels threatened by them either, unless they’re threatening to fall on somebody and squish them to death.

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  238. Okay, I’m game.

    Prove my ignorance.

    You think I’m so stupid and crazy, I challenge Roissy and his new lapdog to counter *anything* I’ve said with a rational argument.

    Until then, if this is just the equivalent of two trannies fighting a born female for the last pair of fishnets before showtime, then both of you stroke each other’s egos and whatever else you like.

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  239. Whiskey wrote:
    “Do men really care about social status of women? I think not very much (perhaps only some).”

    One of the phenomena I’ve noticed among the upper middle class “stuff white people like” crowd: attempting to denigrate the status of hot females. Usually it’s intellectual, though often this is based on little evidence, other than, “she’s hotter than I am, therefore she must be stupid.” Sometimes it’s cultural; tubby American broads denigrating hot Russian or Asian girls as “mail order brides.” Mostly, it’s fat, nasty chicks trying to keep hot ones away from their nebbish men, who often go along with it, because they’re spineless ninnies. Sometimes it’s insecure dudes who know they could never hook up with an 8-10, and console themselves with the belief there is something wrong with the one standing next to you.

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  240. LUPO
    NO disrespect but you are starting to sound like a broken record. So what Nicole is overweight. Is she the first American woman to weight more than 120 lbs? Geez Furthermore most black American women don’t cry, attempt suicide, or develop anorexia when they are obese let alone overweight.

    Therefore, your attempts to damage her self-esteem via your constant posts on fat this smelly pus*y that are futile at best.
    To argue back and fourth with any woman over an extended period is very beta. Most women will lose respect for you as a man if you behave like this online. Trust me, women offline will classify you as angry, bitter &/or the creepy weird guy for picking on a woman with such vitriol.

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  241. Gotta side with Anony on this one, Lupo. Let it go, your views are well noted.

    And in fairness, wrt your point about certain sectors of American Women putting down Hotter Females, I think you may be onto something there; one need not look to the former Soviet Union or the Pacific Rim, but right here in our own backyard, literally: Sarah Palin anyone?

    As an amatuer social scientist, I was fascinated to just sit back and watch the level of sheer, out and out Hateration that was levelled at Palin, and her Hubbie, for simply being a Hot Chick. Everyone reading this knows that virtually every man in this country, and a whole heck of a lot of men in other countries, would most definitely do Palin if they had half the chance. And Women are incredibly sensitive to that, because its not just a statement about the Sexual Desirability of the Hot Chick-

    BUT ITS A CRUSHING STATEMENT ABOUT THEIR OWN GREATLY DIMINISHED SMV.

    I’ve been thinking about all of this a lot more since I’ve read, for the first time, The Game & Myster Method (and for real folks, these guys deserve the Nobel Prize. I mean it. They make guys like Krugman look like ninnies), and I’ve become even more observant of Human behavior, especially Female Human behavior, and brothas, let me tell you, that ish is DEEP!

    In fact, I got something to post on this, hang tight…

    Salaam
    Mu

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  242. Dave Alex,
    Going back to the iPod Discussion: yup, your answer was exactly what I thought. Not one mention of a ballad, Slow Jams, Sexy Music, none of that. Same deal with my “Padawan” that I’ve posted about a little earlier in the thread. I wrote a post about this, but for now I’ll just say, Dave Alex, you gotta get your head in the game if you wanna have any hopes at being good at Game.

    Right now I’m listening to D’Angelo, his first album Brown Sugar. Women like that kind of stuff, and if you want to understand Women you gotta understand what they like.

    Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Hip Hop. And have lots of it. Even have done the Nasty to some of it, LOL. But when you really want to get your Mack on, you gots to have the right tunes.

    Although admittedly its a playlist that reflects my Ethnic background, I’m still pretty sure it would make Ladies of Other Colors moist, too: Maxwell, Teddy Pendergrass, Barry White; The Isley Brothers, Will Downing, Joe; Usher, Bobby Valentino, Avant; LTD, Earth, Wind & Fire; Jill Scott & Diana Ross & Marvin Gaye; Rene & Angela, R. Kelly, Anthony Hamilton, Luther Vandross, Prince and most definitely, Michael Jackson.

    Stuff like that, when you really sitdown and listen to it, gives you a keen insight into the Minds of Women, because the vast majority of the people I mentioned, they’re livelihood depends on how well they know their market. Its not for nothing that “Fire & Desire”, arguably Rick James and Teena Maries biggest hit ever, is considered one of thee all time hottest ballads in Inner City America, and again, it’ll work on White Gals, too.

    Game is Mental, man. Most guys focus on Woman’s Behind, which no doubt, IS important, LOL. But for me, I’ve always been interested in a Woman’s Mind. Get that, and you get the Keys to the Kingdom.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  243. Anthony Hamilton

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  244. The iPod thread is getting pretty cool.

    I recall David Alexander once mentioning that he listens to Celine Dion’s french music. That was a soft spot of mine and back in the mid-90s I listened to that a lot. “Vole” is a great song by her, especially sad when you know the back-story.

    Other than that, early 90s Grunge is someting I have a love-hate relationship with. Musically, some of that stuff is out of this world. Pearl Jam especially. In particular, songs with massive pathos like “Black” or “Yellow Ledbetter.” The incoherent mumblings of Eddie Vetter in a way enhanced the music for me, allowing me to make free-associations instead of folowing the lyrics as given.

    On the other hand, the Grunge movement has a serious weakness, not in the least, for me anyway, being the fact that most of those guys were leftie douchebags. That, andd the utter sexlessness in the lyics. It was all about exhibitionistic stroking of the wounded iner boy. Maybe that’s whty I liked th efact that Vedders singing was inarticulate.

    Mainstream white rock had masculine sexuality through the 70s. In the 80s, “hairband” hard rockers carried the sexiness to some extent, up through 1991 or so. It wasn’t seductive sexy music, necessarily. It was more fratboy fun, sometimes toeing self parody. Warrant’s “She’s my Cherry Pie” type of guilty pleasures.

    Mu brings up the idea of music that appeals to one’s ethnic sensibilities, a very important thing. In my own case, ethnic music — other than mainstream rock and pop, some Country, some Soul 60s thru early 80s, appealing to my assimilated American side — has been Polish rock and pop, something I’ve rediscovered in my late 20s when I started visiting Poland.

    Living in 1970s-early 80s Poland I listened to lots of Euro-Pop (Abba, Boney M) and some American rock. Polish Commies weren’t as censorious about “decadent Western” influences as were the Czechoslovaks or East Germans. Every teenager I knew had blue jeans and a Kiss LP.

    I also listened to lots of light, fun-sounding Polish pop music from the 70s: Anna Jantar, Krzysztof Krawczyk, Maryla Rodowicz. Thiat’s the music I reacquainted myself with in my late 20s and I love it. Big time. Anna Jantar in particular, who in my opinion is the best Polish pop singer of all time, her legend amplified by a plane cracsh she died in in 1980 a the age of 30 (along with the amateur US wrestling team flying into Warsaw from Moscow)

    The other thing I missed when leaving Poland in my early teens and coming to the US was the early-80s explosion of Polish rock and post punk. Some of this stuff was angry, political, much of it in the wake of the 1982 Martial Law. Bands like Lady Pank, Republika, Lombard. But their other songs were tons of love and sexiness in that music too. It was fun to get into that music once I found out about it 20 years later!

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  245. PA,
    Good points on Vedder, Kobain & Grundge in general. And its interesting to note that at the same time we saw the rise of Gangsta Rap. Hmm.

    Yea, you can tell a lot about a man by what’s on his playlist. If there ain’t much in the way of Shiny Shit, you can be fairly sure he ain’t getting any.

    What I like to do when I buy music is do a “1 & 1” deal-1 Shiny Shit CD, 1 Hip Hop, etc. Same deal w/my Peacock Gear-for every suit etc I get, I get at least 1 new book. For the Jedi are strong in Body and in Mind, my Brother.;)

    Salaam
    Mu

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  246. Cobain for me stands out from the Grunger crowd as being the Real Thing. As I understand it he actually was from a poor “white trash” laborer background. His “angst” was for real. Much of the rest of that Seattle scene were middle class guys with manufactured angst.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that. A good artist doesn’t necessarily need to have lived “the life” to be able to tell that story. But it helps.

    But for that reason, Cobain-the-man never got on my nerves like the guys who blathered on MTV to Rock the Vote or made sanctiomonious speeches at Abortion ralles, like Eddie Vetter and others.

    I thought it was a real pity when Cobain offed himself in 1994. And I wasn’t really all that much into Nirvana’s music. The guy really seemed like someone whose pain was real.

    Heh, pardon my lack of lingo, but what is Shiny Shit?

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  247. PA,
    LOL! My bad man. “Shiny Shit” refers to anything that Females like, usually in terms of material goods. So, jewelry, perfume/colongne, etc, is a form of Shiny Shit.

    If you want to increase yor Attraction Power, and this goes for a Man in a LTR/Marriage too, I recommend you get at least *some* Shiny Shit. That’s why I went to some length to explain the importance of Smell Goods and Shoes the other day-two things Women definitely like, even if it ain’t for them per se.

    Think of Shiny Shit as Lures for baiting Women, much lik in fishing, etc. Same principle.

    Oh, while I’m on this point, let me say, that this past weekend saw yet another round of Mu being Catcalled by the Women, LOL. Lemme tell ya PA, the Ladies’ Cap-Up Game is HORRID, whew! “Heeeey!” “Excuuuse me!”. My God, no wonder so many of em are so horny.

    😉

    Salaam
    Mu

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  248. If you want to increase yor Attraction Power, and this goes for a Man in a LTR/Marriage too,

    Hell yeah. Game in marriage/LTRs is even more important. You lose a girlfriend’s affections, you get a new one. You lose a wife’s affections, you’re either stuck with a cold woman or have to go through a divorce.

    Some years ago before I knew there was such thing as Game someone told me that fine looking, expensive shoes are a must to look good. That thought had always stuck with me.

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  249. Girls _are_ attracted to shiny shit. But, as important as shoes are, it is shirts that will get girls to approach you. It is amazing how many girls will come up and start stroking a shiny shirt. It’s as if they can’t resist.

    Anyway, here is a quote from The Great Gatsby, where Daisy Buchanan essentially falls in love with Gatsby for his shirts:

    He took out a pile of shirts and began throwing them, one by one, before us, shirts of sheer linen and thick silk and fine flannel, which lost their folds as they fell and covered the table in many-colored disarray. While we admired he brought more and the soft rich heap mounted higher—shirts with stripes and scrolls and plaids in coral and apple-green and lavender and faint orange, and monograms of Indian blue. Suddenly, with a strained sound, Daisy bent her head into the shirts and began to cry stormily.

    “They’re such beautiful shirts,” she sobbed, her voice muffled in the thick folds. “It makes me sad because I’ve never seen such—such beautiful shirts before.”

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  250. Mainstream white rock had masculine sexuality through the 70s. In the 80s, “hairband” hard rockers carried the sexiness to some extent, up through 1991 or so. It wasn’t seductive sexy music, necessarily. It was more fratboy fun, sometimes toeing self parody. Warrant’s “She’s my Cherry Pie” type of guilty pleasures.

    I agree. Unrepentantly masculine, even if a little fratboyish at times.

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  251. On my ipod: Les Nubians,INXS,MIA,Zero7,India Irie, Eryak Badu,Zapp Mama, Smashing Pumkins,U2(mysterious ways),Teedra Moses, Beyonce, Sarah Vaughn(fever),Santogold, Nerd, Rolling Stones(satisfaction),Sade(best of), Rihanna, Robert Palmer

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  252. Quick question:
    So for all of the beta men, who are NOT good-looking, why are most men saying that they should be entitled to a good-looking woman? They’ll probably just have ugly kids. Average at best. I don’t get the hate on ugly/non-attractive women. They did NOTHING. They had no say on who their parents were, and yet, they are being judged entirely by factors they had no control over, and no ability to change. And some of these women ARE treated with contempt by men, simply for showing up in public. According to (most) men on this site, looks are the most important factor to a woman’s entire existence. So why, is there a general advocation for ugly/non-good looking men having the right to good-looking women? They’re just diluting the gene pool so to speak.
    -Grace.

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  253. Hell yeah. Game in marriage/LTRs is even more important. You lose a girlfriend’s affections, you get a new one. You lose a wife’s affections, you’re either stuck with a cold woman or have to go through a divorce.

    If one needs game to keep a marriage successful, then maybe I shouldn’t bother getting married. I’m not going to bother to create an inflated persona to sustain a marriage because it’s just too tiring to do that on a daily basis with somebody who should be your soulmate and have access to the unhyped and real underlying persona.

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  254. David, what is so hyped or unreal about being born male and surviving through adulthood without seriously harming or trying to harm anyone who didn’t deserve it? If you’ve managed that, there’s alot more right with you than wrong with you.

    No inflated persona is needed, just refusal to take crap from people. There are some things that will give you more mass appeal, but that is a secondary concern, and for some, not even that. If you don’t get any of the rest, not taking crap from people will at least clear your life of unecessary drama, and make sure that anyone with bad intentions gets a nice return on their investment.

    This aspect of game, long after you trust each other enough to indulge all manner of mushiness, must not be slackened after marriage. In fact, the more deep the commitment, the harder you must be about that.

    …and it’s not about protecting your ego, but about protecting your family and the relationships. Confident, assertive people are bad targets for certain crucial dysfunctions. In real life, there is no happily ever after. People catch diseases, get injured, and die. If your wife has post partum depression or some other kind of hormonal shakeup, or you do, you want to have a base policy of mutual respect and civility, and a firm hierarchy (which can be flexible based on abilities/talents) that will make any internal threats blatantly apparent.

    It’s about setting a standard and sticking to it, not creating an imaginary character and living through it. Well, for some it might be about playing a made up role, but it doesn’t have to be that.

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  255. Chic,
    I tell all my Homies tht you can always tell the guys who are getting laid on the regular and who ain’t based on their Playlists. If it don’t have Female Audio Shiny Shit on it, they’re mot likely working it out with the hand. Theirs.

    Grace,
    You ask a good question but unfortunately there can be no equitable reply. The reality is, for better or worse, a Female’s major “draw” is her physical beauty, and other considerations follow (or even flow from) after that. Listen to guys talk: when someone wants to set them up with some gal, the first they’ll say is, “how does she look?”. It may not be right but it is the way of the world. Men are much more visual than are Women and it matters more to Men. It just does. Now, having said that, being a strong communicator and having style, charisma, leadership and initiative qualites and social intelligence are traits that are highly favored among Women. Even the best or prettiest of Men will fail if he doesn’t have these other traits. So if you see a guy like say, The Notorious BIG with someone like say, Faith Evans, you can be sure Biggie had at least some of the qualities I mentioned in order to win her over. And Biggie knew that he was “Fat, Black and Nasty”-yet that didn’t stop him from achieving and scoring some very nice looking Women (I personally think Faith Evans is very attractive). When Women are considering having babies, they want their kids, especially sons, to have those qualities that their daddy had. It makes sense to me, since from an EP POV, Women can’t rely on something as fleeting and slippery as prettiness to be a good barometer as to who would make good daddy material.

    Dave Alex,
    BULLSHIT. Again. This idea of yours/Society’s about “Soulmates” has got to be one of thee biggest forms of Mass Public Mindf*ck Abuse ever foisted on Human Beings. No person can or should be all things to anyone, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with enhancing or even remaking yourself in order to attract the kinds of Women you want into your life. Your problem is that you’re too freaking scared, and lazy, to put ANY effort in to make even the most minute of changes. I’m older than you, less formally educated too, and yet I’m having a Ball, man. I feel great, and full of life, and eager to see what’s over the horizon. You sound like a 90 year old about to shrivel up and die. Really.

    You said that you’d checkout The Game. Have you, Dave? Have you read it? Do you even have it? Something tells me, “No”. And if my guess is right, it serves as the true and only real reason as to why you don’t get anything in your life. It ain’t got nothing to do with anything other than YOU. Period. And if you can’t even get off your duff and get a book, if you so scared to make even the most minute of changes in your behavior etc, and if you’re so apathetic about your outlook on life, then, as Mystery says, your genes deserve to be unapologetically weeded out of existence.

    Decide today, if you will leave a Genetic Legacy, or if you will face Genetic Annihilation, Dave. Its really that simple when you get down to it.

    Salaam
    Mu

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  256. — If one needs game to keep a marriage successful

    This is more for the sake of a third-party reader than David, who has already heard every conceivable pro-Game argument. But:

    Game is not an inflated persona. It’s a set of skills and techniques that with practice get assimilated into your personality. For the beter.

    One example: your girl succumbs to some feline hormone surge and she cops a bad mood. No Game Response: you feel like she’s attacking you for somethign you did and you start apologizing. She gets even more pissed off. Game Response: you either ignore her, or start making fun of her and she starts laughing.

    Game is not somethign “new” that this blog is peddling. It’s the oldest thing on Earth — way all men acted back “in the day.”

    — I’m not going to bother to create an inflated persona

    A parallel scenatio: you are a lazy, slouching high school kid with a loser attitude and you go to a Marine Corps boot camp. The Drill Instructors, in their loving tender way, with lots of patience and hugs, teach you to stand straight, speak clearly and confidently, and carry yourself with self-respect. At first, it will feel like an inflated persona. But then it will just be part of who you always were bud didn’t know it.

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  257. Decide today, if you will leave a Genetic Legacy, or if you will face Genetic Annihilation, Dave. Its really that simple when you get down to it.

    There is no market for my genetic legacy, whether with or without game.

    way all men acted back “in the day.”

    Then I guess all men back in the day acted like douchebags…

    One example: your girl succumbs to some feline hormone surge and she cops a bad mood

    That’s funny because nearly attempt at poking fun at said hormone induced bad moods has led to dirty looks, anger, and in one case, crying. In contrast, the “apologizing” won me hugs, and I love hugs. 🙂

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  258. In contrast, the “apologizing” won me hugs, and I love hugs.

    David is like an endearing little kid so much that it wouldn’t be gay to grab him in a headlock and give him a massive noogie on the head.

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  259. That’s funny because nearly attempt at poking fun at said hormone induced bad moods has led to dirty looks, anger, and in one case, crying.

    That’s her bad mood’s first and only line of defense. Make fun of her some more and you’ll achieve a breakthrough.

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  260. Mu,
    You still didn’t answer my question. There IS a reply, I just don’t know what it is. Why is it, that men argue that ugly men, should be entitled to good looking women, regardless of other skill sets? As some of you guys said, money/provider status has no value. I (and a lot of women of this generation), am finding it increasingly annoying, that SERIOUSLY ugly men still get upset when you “let them down gently”. Men on this blog overlook the fact that a good portion of men over-reach. If you’re over-reaching, why get upset?

    It’s like they expect Maxim women or something to eventually just spread’em b/c they made it out of the house that night. You don’t hear women say things like, “Girl, you DESERVE that hotness over there, even though you’re 250lbs, have acne, can’t cook, haven’t read a book in a year, and are lousy in bed.” And yet, men are deserving of pretty women just for expelling from their mother’s vagina? I mean, c’mon.

    If some of the comments of this blog are to be believed, women are expendable creatures. If I’m expendable, but self supporting, why the HELL would I waste my youth on dudes who are borderline retarded in social skills and on the low side in looks?
    -Grace

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  261. Grace,
    Some questions don’t get answered here 🙂 I hope you stay since it would be nice to have another DC girl but these guys can be trying. You’re right that most very unattractive women don’t expect gorgeous guys but I see a lot of entitlement among women: entitled to a rich man even if they’re poor, entitled to be spent on, entitled to be bitchy and still be treated like a queen. So although many of the guys here definitely need to grow up a bit I think they are matched, in character if not in meat market appeal, by me-first women.

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  262. on December 17, 2008 at 10:02 pm Dave from Hawaii

    Why is it, that men argue that ugly men, should be entitled to good looking women, regardless of other skill sets?

    What men argue this? Where on this blog does a man argue that he is ENTITLED to a good looking women?

    If I’m expendable, but self supporting, why the HELL would I waste my youth on dudes who are borderline retarded in social skills and on the low side in looks?

    $

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  263. @Dave:
    The entitlement to sleep with good-looking women is ALL over this blog. That’s one of the premises. See: not settling, you (plural) deserve more, 8+ is where it is at. Get a sex-bot if you can’t get a good-looking one b/c you deserve to be boning something (presumably) more attractive than yourself. One need not have even much to offer in return.

    In regards to the second:
    $$$$ would be the only incentive. Not $. If I’m expendable, why would I give up a significant portion of my youth, for a social failure? Besides, there aren’t that many single wealthy social train wrecks. They usually get snapped up at a fairly young age.
    -Grace.

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  264. Grace,
    If I may, I’d like to say that I do not expect a “one way street” exchange; if I’m looking for high quality it only makes sense that I be that myself.

    I cannot speak for the rest of the Men in this forum, but my suspicion is that they would agree with what I have just indicated about myself.

    As for “sexbots” quite frankly I don’t have an opinion one way or another. It only makes sense to me that at some point, perhaps sooner than later, a kind of “Bladerunner” race of robots/androids will come into existence, and no doubt at least some of them will be designed with sex in mind along the lines Roissy has indicated here and elsewhere in the forum. Personally though, I don’t see a widespread use of such machines; for all their flaws and problems, nothing beats a real, live, flesh and blood, Woman.

    God help us.;)

    Salaam
    Mu

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  265. Wait, Roissy is claiming that 30% of men are alpha?

    As per his quiz, it would appear that only 1-2% of men are alpha.

    If 30% of men are alpha, that means that any average looking, engineer-level provider Beta who learns a modest level of game (able to do approaches, escalate, and pass shit tests) would be a solid alpha.

    I don’t think 30% of men are alpha. 5% tops.

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  266. There will never be a market for male sexbots that women are supposed to buy. Anyone who thinks there will be still has learned nothing.

    A man with a great job AND who is a 9 on the looks scale will STILL not get hot women if his game is beta-level. I know many guys like this. 9 in looks and $200K salary, but Beta game. They do worse than an alpha bartender or artist who is much shorter and worse looking than them.

    So there is no market for male sexbots. There IS a market for immersive/holographic VR porn where the male AI seduces the woman.

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  267. If it took only about $25,000 for the inventor to build this robot, why is he not working with Honda or Mitsubishi in mass-producing it?

    The costs would drop greatly.

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