How Game Changes For The Mature Player

The biggest change you can expect as an older player gaming girls is this:

Don’t expect approach invitations.

Because of the economics of the sexual market, (which mechanism is amplified in the anonymous urban steambaths), as you get older than the average age of the competition in the typical bar scene you are going to have to mentally adjust to receiving fewer flirtatious looks from girls. You won’t be able to rely on female approach invitations (AIs) — in the form of shy glances, licked lips, coy smiles, or even bold icebreakers — as often as you did when you were not more than five to ten years older than the girls you were fucking.

This does not mean your days of pickup are over.

All it means is that you will have to be bolder in approaching girls who haven’t given you signals to approach them. Ironically, this could very well result in an explosion in your game success, because of two reasons: One, females favor the bold (and what is bolder than a man who hits on a woman like a thunderbolt from the sky?), and two, cold approaches minus the AI primer require a higher level of game skill.

Men who aren’t accustomed to approaching women without first receiving a flirty cue from them are going to be the ones stranded in confusion when they get older than the most desirable demographic of women (ages 15 – 25) that they chase. If a man habitually relies on an AI before making a move on a girl, then he will lock up in fear when forced to contemplate approaching a girl who hasn’t noticed him. No matter how good his game, all his knowledge will be useless because he won’t be able to hurdle that initial obstacle of hitting on a girl who is ice cold to his advances.

In fact, this is the primary problem I observe with the majority of men who discover game. They go to great lengths to learn incredibly effective game tactics like raising a girl’s buying temperature, coaxing her through compliance hoops, and logistically managing the pickup, only to limit their approaches — out of fear or cowardice or expedience — to girls who have given them the green light with a flirty glance. These men are not truly being tested; they are running what I call “Fuckup Avoidance Game” (FAG), which is running “good enough” game on a girl who initially cued her attraction for him and will go to bed with him as long as he doesn’t say or do anything too beta.

FAG game is great to run when you are a good looking guy in your prime, but if all you have is FAG game then expect your success to abandon you when your courage is really tested by women who aren’t making the approach easy for you. I think it’s amazing to see a Mystery in his prime running tight game and scoring threesomes with 8s and above as his feather boa tickles their faces, but my real, deep respect is reserved for those men who don’t have the crutch of flirty female AIs to help ease them into their pickup routines, and must instead rely on sheer daring and determination along with their repertoire of game skills to get the girl.

The day will come when few of your pickup attempts will be lubed with the prologue of a movie moment exchange of shy, flirty glances. When that day comes, you had better have sufficiently trained your balls to sack up for REAL cold approaches — the kind that will stop your heart if you take two seconds too long to ponder them, but will make your success that much sweeter.





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  1. on November 13, 2009 at 1:47 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Oh, thanks. Way to encourage creepy, unattractive old guys to bother women even MORE at random public places.

    Yeah, nothing turns us on like a 45 year old that lurks at the grocery store smiling and pushing around a shopping cart filled with shit he doesn’t intend on buying….

    Or even hotter still is the 45 year old man lingering right in the doorway of (insert random name of bar here) wearing his new pair of men’s “skinny jeans” not realizing how fucking ridiculous he looks, all the while nodding in approval at every woman who (tries) to squeeze past him and get into the bar.

    So now we need those people to be MORE aggressive??? Sometimes I think you intentionally give bad advice so that your readers occasionally fail and have to come back here for your advice again. (I’m onto to you, silly-bitch)

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  2. Single older guys are really separated into two groups:

    the haves and have nots.

    Very little middle ground.

    The ones with Dash and Game monopolize. The ones without Guts and Moves drop like flies.

    Its a cruel world.

    One way to combat this is to split America and get some geoarbitrage going.

    Side note:

    I think Roissy is trying to pull a hustle on all the Pick up Artists out there by getting them start saying the acronym for “Fuckup Avoidance Game” out loud in bars.

    – MPM

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  3. Wendy Schwartz’s head stuck in her increasingly crustifying twat.

    Boiling like a tea kettle that she’ll be out of the Game entirely by 33.

    G Man and CR seeing the big picture and keeping us in the frame.

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  4. Wendy Schwartz, you are the queen of hypocrites. show us your boobs to prove your worth.

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  5. Haha! “FAG” will catch on.

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  6. G Man-

    I think Roissy is trying to pull a hustle on all the Pick up Artists out there by getting them start saying the acronym for “Fuckup Avoidance Game” out loud in bars.

    Heh.

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  7. Damn that girl looks like she just got punished hard…

    Did you beat.it.up or what?

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  8. I’m convinced Wendy Schwartz is a algorithm roissy created to automatically spew the most retarded wrong, pigheaded ideas about everything everywhere and thus create discussion.

    It took me a little while to discover, but well played.

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  9. Wendy Schwartz:

    “Or even hotter still is the 45 year old man lingering right in the doorway of (insert random name of bar here) wearing his new pair of men’s “skinny jeans” not realizing how fucking ridiculous he looks, all the while nodding in approval at every woman who (tries) to squeeze past him and get into the bar.”

    you shouldn’t talk about your customers that way.

    I’m pretty sure you’re talking out of your ass. You can’t sit there and decry roissy’s advice while at the same time whining that women are being creeped on when they dress a certain way in order to attract “non-creepy” men. you have to take the good with the bad.

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  10. Wait? That picture was taken this century? I thought it was a post boff memorialization of R’s conception from the 70’s (or is it 60’s?).

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  11. I can’t wait
    for the ridiculous level of game stuff I’ll learn
    from Mystery or Savoy
    when both are selling DVDs
    when they’re 45

    hellz
    yeah

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  12. Solid advice, but for the everyday guy no matter how much confidence you have in your cold approach game, it gets increasingly difficult not to come across as creepy old guy in a bar/club scene. Even if the target is interested and impressed by your boldness, the prospect of her being looked down upon by her peer group reduces your chances tenfold. One solution is to increase your Day Game options and approach in situations where she isn’t going to feel pressured by peers to decline your advances. Those situations also allow you to initially connect on a level separate from the primarily sexual one that exists in the bar/club venue.

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  13. hey roissy, how were you like prior to learning game?

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  14. on November 13, 2009 at 2:41 pm Wendy Schwartz

    You can’t sit there and decry roissy’s advice while at the same time whining that women are being creeped on when they dress a certain way in order to attract “non-creepy” men. you have to take the good with the bad.

    Ummm what??? I don’t even know what you’re trying to imply there.

    Right, because ONLY women who dress/act like hookers draw “unwanted male attention”.

    If that’s what you’re trying to say, you are lying your ass off. I recall being 7 months pregnant and STILL perverts will stare openly at your tits and (especially black men) will eye you up and whistle CLEARLY seeing that you are about to give birth.

    Seriously, drop that one because you know you are wrong.

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  15. Damn that girl looks like she just got punished hard…

    Did you beat.it.up or what?

    heh. vk, please, this is an artistic photo. it’s all about the art.

    Wait? That picture was taken this century? I thought it was a post boff memorialization of R’s conception from the 70’s (or is it 60’s?).

    joe, she was foreign and poor. that accounts for the stylings of her cramped apt.

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  16. Thanks for moving “Cousin banging” off of the top of the page.

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  17. hey roissy, how were you like prior to learning game?

    not a natural, not hopeless. but i did allow myself to suffer the indignity of a few pedestalizations prior to game, which led me to fully immerse myself in the crimson arts.

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  18. Is that your cousin after you hit it in 1974?

    Sorry, couldn’t resist.

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  19. “it gets increasingly difficult not to come across as creepy old guy in a bar/club scene. Even if the target is interested and impressed by your boldness, the prospect of her being looked down upon by her peer group reduces your chances tenfold.”

    What the older player needs to do as far as night Game goes is change venue.

    If you are going to nightclubs that are playing skinny jeans hipster hip hop like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLvyeCxt6aA you are in the wrong spot.

    The older Playboy needs to hit up more Charity Gigs, Art Gigs, Yacht Gigs, Fashion Gigs, etc.

    More French Riviera.

    – MPM

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  20. I was referring to your shirt, champ.

    Anyway, FAG game, good stuff, a lot of naturals I know have had to make the adjustment as IOI’s become less blatant.

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  21. More French Riviera.

    I can almost taste the post-swoop bliss. The cigarette inhaled slowly, the theme from “Bilitis” running softly in the background.

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  22. That looks like
    Cheryl Tiegs
    on Todd Rundgren’s
    tourbus

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  23. Sometimes I think you intentionally give bad advice so that your readers occasionally fail and have to come back here for your advice again. (I’m onto to you, silly-bitch)

    i’m sorry LR, but i’m limiting my comments to you to two per post. you rapidly fill up my ‘talking sense to retards’ quota.

    G:
    What the older player needs to do as far as night Game goes is change venue.

    as someone mentioned above, the older player can avoid the problems of the white hot bar scene by focusing on day game. and night game can be moved to art gallery showings, indie flic events, happy hours, and bars that don’t serve miller lite.

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  24. PA

    …, the theme from “Bilitis” running softly in the background.

    and i thought
    i was cruelest

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  25. “and bars that don’t serve miller lite.” Actually, that is very true as the “Lounge” is home to many older players in a sea of young interns, including a legendary 60 year old chief of staff.

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  26. btw that pic was snapped three years ago. i posted it because i like the aesthetics of it. i plan to post more of these in the future. nothing more earthy than post boff rumple.

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  27. “she was foreign and poor. that accounts for the stylings of her cramped apt.”

    No better way to experience a countries “culture” than by swooping their local girls, high on hashish, drunk on the local liquor in a single bed with Atari themed sheets.

    Added bonus:

    You save CASH on hotel rooms. And hopefully she whipped up some local goulash for breakfast.

    American girls usually only have some fat free yogurt and leftovers from some fast food grind from a few nights prior in their fridge.

    – MPM

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  28. joe:
    I was referring to your shirt, champ.

    i just wore that shirt yesterday! it got much affection.

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  29. FAG acronym was first used to similar effect by the South Park guys in “Team America” – as “Film Actors Guild”, headed by a sinister and lefty Alec Baldwin, who in turn get duped by an evil and alien Kim Jong Il. (Something about Alec Baldwin really pisses those guys off.) It was really funny to watch all the Hollywood start puppets get destroyed in gruesome ways.

    Agree about the importance of venue. If you’re in your 40s hanging out and college-age or post-college places, you just look ridiculous. (LR isn’t *always* wrong – who knew?)

    Older guys have lots of advantages, not only related to higher material and social status: maturity, experience, self awareness, and so on. Especially if they keep themselves in shape. I’m *way* more attractive to women than I was 20 years ago. There’s even a daddy-attraction thing going on with many women: they are attracted to older men for the ways in which they remind them of their fathers. (sort of creepy but real and understandable from an evo-psych point of view.)

    Fear not, brother commenters: things mainly get better for us as we get older, as long as we keep our heads on straight.

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  30. when ladyraine’s hairstyle
    meets roissy’s shirt
    he’ll be posting
    a lr LR

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  31. Are you sticking your wiener up her poop shoot in that pic? If so she looks like she is quite enjoying it.

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  32. I find, at age 39, that I have very little desire to go into any overly active bar with music too loud to comfortably talk. Thus, most of the establishments I frequent tend to be rather slow moving lounges.

    For me, this works out great. I find that in such an environment, so long as I show up alone, I end up having conversations with others over some reason or another, and more often than not, I get invited to sit with people that I did not know beforehand. Sitting at a table alone (not the bar) always seems to get me noticed, and talked to. I don’t know why. Granted, I am not entirely shy and can move a conversation quite quickly into rapport building.

    But, yeah, it ain’t no spectacular display of “game” or approaches on my part, as I am not particularly cold approaching anyone. Although, it does seem to be successful in me worming into a group of people about 2/3 of the time, and after that hurdle has been passed, there is most often one or two chicks that are worthwhile pursuing and are receptive to advancing things further. However, I can see how much of an obvious limiter this is on my ability to select, as I am curtailing my options enormously – much like a woman who signals openess, but then passively waits for others to act. Not that I never find an excuse to open a conversation with strangers, but, it certainly does put a limit on the infinite amount of options a man can, and should, have.

    Otherwise, I notice that the amount of married chicks blatantly hitting on me is friggin’ obscene! I don’t really understand this phenomenon entirely. Perhaps it’s that married women are about as low status as a woman can get, or they are trying to validate their sexual worth outside of their marriage.

    I find that day-game is definitely where it’s at though – unless you are looking for just a mindless screw with someone whose last (or first) name you don’t know. Then, off to the lounge!

    Also, something I found was helpful as I aged is similar to how a salesman does “follow up calls” on his clients.

    I have lived in a few different places now, and in each place you end up knowing people, of course. There are lots of receptionists that you worked with but you didn’t want to fish off the company pier, or there were girls who LJBF’d you because she was in the midst of an emotional high with the new love of her life, or there are those chicks that are dating one of your friends… but 7 years later, you are no longer really friends with the guy because you haven’t spoken in 5 years… well, I try to find some kind of thing to send them an e-mail about once a year or so. A happy birthday, or something like that… I often try to work in a question like “Are you still with that guy?” And if she says yes, I reply with a “Gee, that’s too bad.” Which I think sends the right message. It is usually recieved well, anyways. Just once or twice a year, so they remember you, but not enough to be “friends.”

    This “follow up” shit is actually quite nice, because lots of these chicks go through their 5 year divorce rotation, and often towards the end of their relationship they will actually start contacting you more often, and they are quite agreeable to sneaking away for a romantic weekend at some quaint little town, and then returning back to their life where they live, and I return to my life where I live. Perfect. Also, lot’s of single/divorced moms, when they go through that one year fuckathon after they get their divorce, are tickled pink to disappear out of town for that second weekend when their ex-husband-chump has to babysit their brats. Again, perfect, because I don’t want the kids involved at all. Drop them off with Chumpy McEx, and meet me at Sex-Town.

    I find these are very worthwhile relationships. They are short term, romantic, filled with passion, and fun and exciting – and the weekends are brief. Compared to the dipshit she is fucking back home, with kids underfoot, and lots of sitting on the couch watching reality TV together… well, a weekend away with a guy like me every month or two seems to be way higher in value. So far, not one woman I have gone away for a weekend with like this has ever expected me to pay anything but 50%, which is all I’d pay anyway. Plus, it’s quite a bit of fun to screw someone you haven’t seen much in 5 years. That whole delayed gratification thing or something.

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  33. Everybody knows there’s nothing more ‘artistic’ than nudity.

    First of all, seems to me your age should be a mystery to her. She doesn’t know you. If you’ve treated your hair right, avoided smoking and gone to the gym, the other physical indicators of age could be put down as due to anything e.g. labour, time in the sun. The rest is your clothes and attitude. Your maturity is an advantage; if you give her just enough to overcome her social aversion to it, she will want to believe you’re younger.

    I know of an alcoholic who was actually in his 50s but looked a very sick and very unkempt man in his 80s (plentiful white hair, heavily wrinkled skin, swollen belly, no muscle mass and just bones, nails that were beige claws) that had a girlfriend who he lived with and most likely paid for his habit. If he can do it, so can you.

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  34. The G Manifesto

    I think Roissy is trying to pull a hustle on all the Pick up Artists out there by getting them start saying the acronym for “Fuckup Avoidance Game” out loud in bars.

    hear ya.

    if there’s money in it – FAG will be A-OK.

    I just got an email from LoveSystems touting a new seminar where male pornstars divulge ancient ‘sex secrets’ to ‘pleasing women’ by ‘lasting longer’

    it’s a bad eViagra commercial

    when mystery and Savoy start shilling peeny pumps…

    mout

    [this thread has great potential, but i somehow detect a harbinger of foreboding ennui kthxbai]

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  35. “Drop them off with Chumpy McEx, and meet me at Sex-Town”

    You sir, have crystallized my thoughts most eloquently.

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  36. I recall that as a dude in the 20-25 year age group, things weren’t that awesome either back then as chance are you were just another frat boy, hipster, meathead, or other chump wearing Axe (or CK One back then) in a crowded dick farm.
    See e.g., R’s post:
    http://roissy.wordpress.com/2007/07/13/dick-farm/
    Going to crappy crowded bars as a youngin’ has most guys pining for the day they’re mature enough to meet girls. Another lesson, there’s always an excuse, eh?

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  37. The girl is very beautiful.

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  38. The Finn period:

    I once thought I’d bang a Finnish chick. Alone in a Helsinki hotel. Thoughts running everywhere. Long, slow booze drinking and smoking past the point of toxic shock and onto a higher plane of consciousness. The point where you think Fur Elise is playing in the background. But it isn’t.

    Went into the hotel sauna. Hears many rumors of coed frolics in the land of the never-rising sun.

    Sauna empty and cold. Like my soul.

    Went downstairs to the hotel restaurant. Bless them, open at 3 AM. Some drunk Swede tries to start a conversation with me. No gay-vibe picked up, but taking no chances. Takes some effort to get him to get lost.

    Finish my drink, pay, and go to my room.

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  39. Roissy, don’t limit LR. Every thing she posts is a confirmation of the various traits in women.

    I mean, look at this one: She’d be all over Brad Pitt (45 or so) or Michael Bay or Mark Cuban, like a stripper fighting over a ten dollar bill, regardless of age.

    She’s just more confirmation that women HATE HATE HATE betas.

    Plus I love the narcissism inherent in her posts — I know so many LR of various stripes, the flawed assumptions and personality traits just come through.

    If anything she made your point — don’t be Beta, be Alpha.

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  40. “Nice *Target* brand sheets in the picture, too….see women notice that shit, so if they’re yours….get rid of them and if their hers….she doesn’t have any money and is going to try to spend yours.

    I really expect more from you, R.”

    Jesus Bendmeover Christ you can’t sound more lame than that. Logic error. Woman detected. Bzzzzzzzt.

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  41. the most desirable demographic of women (ages 15 – 25)

    15?!?!?

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  42. 15?!?!?

    desirability pays no heed to legality.

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  43. hadn’t seen that “women HATE HATE HATE betas” for a while… it’s a true statement *and* an amusing pat-phrase.

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  44. @LR – so stop hanging around the truck stop at 1 AM.

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  45. She looks like you just finished raping her.

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  46. Unfortunately, I do believe I run FAG game.

    One girl described me as “sitting there, all pretty, like an sweet innocent little boy, waiting to be picked up from school.”

    Note: that was after I’d jollied her with my roger and she said, “You’re nothing like what I thought you were.”

    Must try to cold approach. Thanks for the heads up, boss.

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  47. Lurker,

    Please shut up

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  48. “Trouble
    the most desirable demographic of women (ages 15 – 25)

    15?!?!?”

    —Grass on the playing field.

    Besides, in many states and countries, the Age of consent is that or lower.

    But don’t end up on Dateline. Know the age limits and respect them, boys. Most guys think 18 is the age of consent, but that’s not true in pretty much any place, that’s just the age of maturity—i.e. when she can make contracts as an adult and pose nude.

    Even in NY, the age of consent is 17. And remember the Beatles: “She was just 17/you *know* what I mean…”

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  49. BB, only when I get to rape you.

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  50. Lady:

    What I’m saying is that you need to stop complaining that men scope other women out. Its what we do. Who we are. Your fucking son will do the same shit when he’s older (unless your antics turn him gay). You were a stripper for God’s sake and you want to complain about men creepily staring at women? How would you have paid your bills if not for them?

    So, like I said, take the good with the bad.

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  51. But don’t end up on Dateline. Know the age limits and respect them, boys. Most guys think 18 is the age of consent, but that’s not true in pretty much any place, that’s just the age of maturity—i.e. when she can make contracts as an adult and pose nude.

    Even in NY, the age of consent is 17. And remember the Beatles: “She was just 17/you *know* what I mean…”

    Yeah, obviously. I just think 15 is a bit young. The whole age of consent thing is completely arbitrary and makes zero sense. I can fuck a 16 year old in Connecticut, but fucking that same girl in NY would get me locked up. And if I’m still in Connecticut with said 16 yo and I have video and/or photographic evidence of said fucking I’m in possession of child pornography. lol

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  52. Lady’s a fucking moron. Unfortunately, strippers, far from being intelligent about men, develop narcisstic complexes as they believe they are the only women men throw money at for nakedness. And they get mad when they lose their looks (like Lady Cumstain has) and younger models get more attention; at that point, their narcissim is turned into bitter hate at “pigs” who only like her for her body.

    The Fag Hag I banged for a while had the best perspective on men out of all women I’ve had, because the gay men she hung with basically showed her how men act towards someone they have sexual attarction to.

    She found out that men are extremely horny; are always looking for the next bang; are very visual; very into porn; are always trying to push the envelope sexually; will have sex with a new person at the drop of a hat; and can really be short sighted when sex is involved.

    She was the chick who wouldn’t get upset if I flirted with the bartender or waitress right in front of her, or went out with my friends on a Friday, or watched porn. She’d been schooled that it wasn’t another woman thing or dissatisfaction or disrespect of her; this was just how men are. She knew she might as well complain that a dog barks.

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  53. I see a poor young girl with a daddy figure. she’s likely had adverse childhood experiences and willing to trade sex for affection.

    [editor: she grew up in a loving family, her parents stayed married, and she was educated, confident and smart. oh, and she was fun!]

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  54. on November 13, 2009 at 3:09 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @LR

    I recall being 7 months pregnant and STILL perverts will stare openly at your tits …

    The price you pay for working in a topless bar.

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  55. “If that’s what you’re trying to say, you are lying your ass off. I recall being 7 months pregnant and STILL perverts will stare openly at your tits and (especially black men) will eye you up and whistle CLEARLY seeing that you are about to give birth.”

    The only thing I have found that women despise more than things like this is when men no longer care to look at their tits or whistle at all.

    I believe it was the immortal Fred Reed who said: “The second fastest way to lose a woman is to treat her as a sex object. The fastest is to not treat her as one.”

    From a survival of the fittest perspective, a woman who doesn’t get attention paid to her by men is a woman who will soon be malnurished and sleeping in the rain.

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  56. Anony, does your husband know that you are unfaithful to him by showing up on a blog whose host routinely calls you horribly abusive names?

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  57. “I recall being 7 months pregnant and STILL perverts will stare openly at your tits . . .”

    What’s your point? Pregnant women have the best tits. I’d almost get my wife pregnant again just for the engorged tits and hormone fueled pregnant sex.

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  58. on November 13, 2009 at 3:26 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Trouble:

    the most desirable demographic of women (ages 15 – 25)

    15?!?!?”

    any-teen, depends on national age of consent laws:

    Examples:

    Burkina Faso: 13
    Albania: 14
    Denmark / France / Sweden: 15
    UK: 16
    Ireland: 17
    Iraq: 18

    and:

    Qatar: – any age, provided your married

    http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

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  59. Roissy, thanks for the very honest answer. It was somewhat the same for me. Prior to learning game, and after having my heart shattered, I looked at females as nothing more than babymakers. Kind of weird but it worked. The arts made me self-aware.

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  60. I see a poor young girl with a daddy figure. she’s likely had adverse childhood experiences and willing to trade sex for affection.

    [editor: she grew up in a loving family, her parents stayed married, and she was educated, confident and smart. oh, and she was fun!]

    then do please explain why a girl whose father purportedly treated her with respect and love , accepts a daddy-figure lover.

    [editor: easily explained. your premise is faulty.]

    and thank God, my daughters will never be that screwed up.

    [then you’d better hope they never meet me. i have to tell you, if your daughters are/will be hot it would bring me great pleasure to violate them. but if i knew they were yours, the pleasure would be incomparable.]

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  61. on November 13, 2009 at 3:36 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @Anony:


    I see a poor young girl with a daddy figure. she’s likely had adverse childhood experiences and willing to trade sex for affection.

    I see ghastly bed linen that looks as though it hasn’t been laundered since approx. 1968.

    Clearly, true love conquers all.

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  62. on November 13, 2009 at 3:36 pm gunslingergregi

    ””””’then do please explain why a girl whose father purportedly treated her with respect and love , accepts a daddy-figure lover. and thank God, my daughters will never be that screwed up.”””’

    Ahh yes the real reason for the hate/dislike/fear shines through.

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  63. @anony- you think you can control your teenaged or adult children’s sexual preferences? Insist that they susbtitute a 40-year-old political ideology for 10,000+ years of biological programming?

    In between, of course, lies 3,000 years of civilization, which was based on traditional sex roles and courtship models. The end of patriarchy meant the return to the mating patters of the baboon pack, in Devlin’s phrase.

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  64. on November 13, 2009 at 3:46 pm Carolus Reconditus

    Ekshelly I also see greasy greasy greasy hair, easy smile ..

    BTW looks as though Roissy might have had a slight weight problem at the time. BMI tending towards plumpness. Am I right?

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  65. on November 13, 2009 at 3:48 pm gunslingergregi

    So your saying naturals are doing fag that is fucked up.

    Seriously though I think everyone notices if you have money/drugs you have pussy no matter the age. Simple shit.

    I like the term bio-tickets dude used.

    ””””””The day will come when few of your pickup attempts will be lubed with the prologue of a movie moment exchange of shy, flirty glances. When that day comes, you had better have sufficiently trained your balls to sack up for REAL cold approaches — the kind that will stop your heart if you take two seconds too long to ponder them, but will make your success that much sweeter.”””””””

    Definetly can up the challenge level post divorce when your still all fucked up. Why I am coming out with my first book ghetto game and why you should pack a nine.

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  66. There’s a young man in a t-shirt
    Listenin’ to a rockin’ rollin’ station

    also see
    greasy greasy greasy hair,
    easy smile

    He says, “Lord this must be my destination.”

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  67. on November 13, 2009 at 3:56 pm Carolus Reconditus

    @PA:

    The greasy hair stuff is from Dire Straits’ ‘Wild West End’:

    http://www.metrolyrics.com/wild-west-end-lyrics-dire-straits.html

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  68. @Roissy,

    [then you’d better hope they never meet me.

    as you are fully aware, R., most girls/women can see through the opportunistic, shallow soul that you are. you’d present no threat to most women.

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  69. Really, your days as a top-shelf alpha/PUA only *begin* when you hit the age (late 30s/early 40s for most guys) when the AIs from 23 year-olds start to dissipate. That is when your real mettle will be put to the test. In truth, any decent looking young guy with an attitude and some Game can get good pussy. With age, it gets harder but more satisfying. My seduction abilities have improved so much with the years that I get more quality tail, more easily than I did in my mid-20s. Skills grow, illusions depart, and if you have any sense the white knight BS disappears, and you see women as they really are, and fuck them as you never have before.

    Great post, Roissy, much truth therein. Now I’m going to bang my very hot, much younger GF ….

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  70. “http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSTRE5AC2TN20091113”

    Feminists are suddenly realizing their chidlish fantasies are just that: fantasies.

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  71. that girl looks so happy.

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  72. Congrats Roissy, you are a mack. You banged a poor European girl. Hats off to you sir.

    Unfortunately for him, Roissy also thinks he is a mack because he got FemX to bare herself for him.

    Little did he know FeministX is another Kantor hoax, like Libertarian Girl was.

    Roissy got gamed by Michael Kantor aka HalfSigma. Beta, dude. Just beta.

    That’s a MAN, baby!

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  73. 15 is ok? Cousin banging?
    Makes me wonder what makes you stay away from your own daughters sometimes..

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  74. I swear, reading this website sometimes makes me want to vow to never sleep with a man again, out of fear that he is a heartless player rogue.

    or rather, reading the comments and some of the male smugness.

    I do hope you didn’t break her heart Roissy.

    [editor: i didn’t. i savored every second with her. it was outside circumstances that ended it.]

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  75. Oh, c’mon, al. Which is better to base one’s behavior and expectations on: pretty lies or ugly truths? Or just truths, which only *seem* ugly next to the lies.

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  76. fedrz

    I believe it was the immortal Fred Reed who said: “The second fastest way to lose a woman is to treat her as a sex object. The fastest is to not treat her as one.”

    Yes, but women want to be sexually admired by men they are attracted to, men with whom they have built a high level of comfort and rapport.

    If you think women like being the object of sexual attention of every two bit nigger/latino piece of street trash/White trash slime ball she passes you are living in some White boy porn fantasy.

    Males that are sexually crude and offensive toward women need to have the shit kicked out of them.

    And most of the time they are genetic misfits and social losers.

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  77. my emotions say pretty lies, my very very small analytical side will concede truth is better, if not wrapped in smug hedonistic arrogance.

    what can I say, I like the lie that I’m a special little snowflake.

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  78. Fuckup Avidance Game is a critical issue for many. If you don’t have experience, or have had a long dry spell, the first thing you need to do is learn how to not make major mistakes and turn women off. See my post-

    http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/the-interview-process/

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  79. She looks like she’s basking in a post-coital glow.

    & you have nice, Hugh Grant-ish (but less floppy) hair (no homo)

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  80. Willard Libby said: Yes, but women want to be sexually admired by men they are attracted to, men with whom they have built a high level of comfort and rapport.

    If you think women like being the object of sexual attention of every two bit nigger/latino piece of street trash/White trash slime ball she passes you are living in some White boy porn fantasy.

    Males that are sexually crude and offensive toward women need to have the shit kicked out of them.

    And most of the time they are genetic misfits and social losers.

    Why is it the guy’s problem if he enjoys what she is advertising? She should stop being a damn public advertisement then, and only take off her burqua when in the presence of men she wants to be sexually admired by. What the hell is she doing hanging her tits out in front of men who she hasn’t built a high level of comfort and rapport with?

    Huh?

    Is she fucking royalty as she walks down the street?

    Does a two bit nigger/latino piece of street trash/white trash slime ball who sees a billboard advertising Porsche 911’s deserve a shit kicking if he says “awesome car”, even if he has no hope of ever affording one?

    I get it that women “hate hate hate” betas, but you know what? They still have a right to breath the fucking air. They built the bra that kept her tits firmer than nature would have allowed. They paid 65% of the taxes. And just because some woman gets sexually admired (horrors!), the guy deserves to get the shit kicked out of him?

    Personally, I think every stupid drunken cow that walks up to me in a bar and slurs, “you should buy me a drink”, ought to get her come-upins too. Perhaps guys ought to freak out on chicks everytime they ask what a guy does for a living, or what kind of car he drives… sigh, treating him as a security object like that! Same shit, different pile.

    Don the burqua if it’s such a big deal. However, a woman cannot reasonably be upset if she wishes to mass advertise her sexuality, that not only will it target those she wishes, but also those out of her intended demographic… just like a billboard.

    There’s no such thing as a free lunch.

    Just sayin’.

    Now, reach around behind and pull them panties out of the crack of your ass.

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  81. fedrz,

    How is it ‘mass-advertising’ my sexuality to exist in public wearing normal clothing (not a burka or baggy tracksuit, but nothing tight, no visible skin, etc)?

    I got harassed the other day wearing my winter coat and rain boots.

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  82. harrassed LOL

    man i can’t wait til you dumb broads hit the wall

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  83. “Women want to be sexually admired by men they are attracted to, men with whom they have built a high level of comfort and rapport. If you think women like being the object of sexual attention of every two bit nigger/latino piece of street trash/White trash slime ball she passes you are living in some White boy porn fantasy.”

    Well, this certainly applies to my old lady. She gets all pissy if some 5′ Salvadoran says something to her on the street. She literally looks them up and down as if they were walking trash. One time, we were getting out of the car, and a guy sitting on top of a fucking TRASH CAN said something to her, even though I was right there with her. I don’t think it was a comment on my masculinity; rather, it was some blind drunk piece of shit who liked what he saw, even though, I repeat, he was sitting on top of a fucking TRASH CAN.

    I have told my old lady to relax, that she wouldn’t get upset if George Clooney said something to her on the street. She kind of huffs and puffs, but she knows it’s true: she wants to be admired by desirable men, but not men who are beneath her.

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  84. Well, my goodness Bonnie, you poor dear! How have you found the strength to carry on with this heavy burden you bear?

    But, I know what you mean! I had a girl suggest I buy something for her the other day… and guess what? I didn’t even have hundred dollar bills pinned to the outside of my coat.

    I know you ladies can run around in circles, chasing your tail like a crazed dog over this issue, and still never get it, but still. This glaring lack of logic speaks volumes about other areas of life…

    Look, Willard Libby believes that a woman’s attraction should only be returned by those who a woman wishes to be attracted to her.

    Silly men for not all possessing ESP and knowing which group he belongs to, eh?

    Certainly some shit kickings are in order! Let’s get them under way tout de suite!

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  85. “If that’s what you’re trying to say, you are lying your ass off. I recall being 7 months pregnant and STILL perverts will stare openly at your tits and (especially black men) will eye you up and whistle CLEARLY seeing that you are about to give birth. ”

    LOL where the hell do you live?

    And I agree with the people questioning the whole “15” thing. I don’t want to do any girl under about 17, and probably under 19. Give me someone with at least a little experience. 23 is probably the optimum.

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  86. About Older Men’s Game – fellows, you have to calculate this kind of thing carefully. Don’t go to places (as others here have said) where the general demographic is young. You’ll look foolish and perhaps creepy. I remember the “older men” in my college’s much-loved student bar, no doubt to pick up girls. They weren’t really all that old – most of them were between the ages of 28-34 – but alongside a group of fresh-faced 18-21 year-olds, they looked positively ancient. Plus, we – the girls – wondered what they were doing there. Didn’t they have somewhere better to go on a Friday night? Being there diminished the status that their age might otherwise have given them.

    But the same goes for some of the venues in which “day game” might be practised. Once out of his early 30s, a man hanging around a coffee shop, etc., for more than a few minutes looks a bit declasse. Though you could try reading the New York Times there on a Sunday morning.

    Libraries can be good but watch to see if the woman is actually busy. I was once interrupted while hard at work in a univ. library by an older man who tried to strike up a conversation with me about the book I was making notes on. But I really had to work, and anyway he was too old – I was about 34, he was probably 25-30 years older. I turned down his request to have lunch with him as politely as I could, but he was indignant and rude…

    An older man’s best bet is venues that set off his greater polish and experience to their best advantage. If you prefer informal settings, a pub where people of all ages mingle freely can be good, esp. the kind where people hang out, read the paper, play chess, etc. (Do they even have such places in the US? Never saw one in DC.) Lounges? Make sure if you go to such places, esp. alone, that you’re well-dressed in age-appropriate clothes and carrying a briefcase, so it looks as if you just dropped in for a quick drink after work, not as if you’re an habitue who has nothing else to do with his time. Looking busy and preoccupied adds to your air of importance and mystery for younger women. Above all don’t ruin your older-man mystique by pretending to be a young stud.

    Just trying to be helpful here…

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  87. There’s a world of difference between a woman being in a bar and being approached for conversation by a guy who wants to have sex with her (or guy being in a bar and having a woman ask him to buy her something), and street harassment.

    Unless women scream at you and try to snatch your wallet to get at your money when you are walking down the street, and you are fearful because they are larger and much stronger than you, I don’t see a parallel.

    I have no problems with someone checking me out, or hitting on me in a non-threatening way, as long as they accept it gracefully when the answer is no and don’t assault me or do something threatening like jerk off while staring at me (this happens all the time on the train – only a couple times to me thank god, and there were other people around).

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  88. What a beautiful girl… since she probably aint gonna hear me, I’ll just say it.

    Youre sounding more the nihilist lately. Whats with ya. Are you experiencing some difficult feelings youd like to share with the group?

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  89. Heck, I don’t even get that upset at comments from really grody guys on the street, as long as they aren’t foul and scary. I don’t reply or look at them, because I don’t want them to think I am interested, I just walk on.

    It’s the threatening stuff that really gets to me. Some kid screamed ‘fuck me, slut’ out his window and threw a half-full bottle of coke at me while I was walking alone (to work) a few months ago. How is that not harassment? What if he had gotten out of the car?

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  90. I’m sorry, Bonny. I didn’t know you had it so rough. What about the guy who harassed you the other day while you were in your raincoat and boots? Did he stop jerking off after you told him no?

    I’ll bet that Oprah has a crisis hotline you could call.

    The 85% of men that are betas and omegas should be locked up so that society is more pleasurable for their highnesses.

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  91. on November 13, 2009 at 6:58 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I mean, look at this one: She’d be all over Brad Pitt (45 or so) or Michael Bay or Mark Cuban, like a stripper fighting over a ten dollar bill, regardless of age.

    Whiskey I have NEVER found Brad Pitt attractive and especially not an aging Brad Pitt. I have no idea who the other two people are and if they are related to “sports” or not white I’m pretty sure I’d never be attracted to them either.

    I have no idea if someone was directing the “daddy issues” thing at me, but like everyone here knows….I come from a “normal” but VERY strict two-parent household. No divorce, no abuse, no fighting (not even verbal), and just my sister and myself as children in the household (no competition with siblings issues, either). And yes my dad and I have always gotten along and he is my idea of what every man should strive to be.

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  92. I’m not the one whining about people requesting that they buy things for them. That happens to me all the time, too (lots of people with mental illness/drug addictions around here), but it’s not really much skin off my nose for bums to think they deserve something from me.

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  93. on November 13, 2009 at 6:02 pm gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””’aliasclio
    About Older Men’s Game – fellows, you have to calculate this kind of thing carefully. Don’t go to places (as others here have said) where the general demographic is young. You’ll look foolish and perhaps creepy. I remember the “older men” in my college’s much-loved student bar, no doubt to pick up girls. They weren’t really all that old – most of them were between the ages of 28-34 – but alongside a group of fresh-faced 18-21 year-olds, they looked positively ancient. Plus, we – the girls – wondered what they were doing there. Didn’t they have somewhere better to go on a Friday night? Being there diminished the status that their age might otherwise have given them.
    ”””””””

    Well that would be why you would work save loot then can go ahead and start your own girls gone wild and not look creepy at all and do whatever the fuck you want.

    Or be in a model search for your own personnal model.

    Might have to get creative.

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  94. on November 13, 2009 at 7:04 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Chuck–

    Let’s be rational for a minute….”how would you have paid your bills if you weren’t a stripper”????

    Dude, I danced for EIGHT MONTHS EVER…..99.9% of my income came from and still comes from my trade which obviously doesn’t involve nudity or dancing.

    And you cannot tell me that you thought for even ONE second that strippers think of their customers as ANYTHING other than pathetic, lonely losers who are easy to manipulate. That’s our JOB. You only know the outside, lol…do you honestly think that ANY dancer has ever thought of her job as “sexual” or “a turn on”?????

    We tell eachother which dude is the most pathetic and easiest to game…..the girls work TOGETHER against men….no we are not grateful to them, respect them, or feel any sort of remorse for their (stupidity) in handing us money JUST to watch us dance.

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  95. Yeah, ok Bonnie, redirect away from what we both know we are talking about… namely that women constantly are suggesting men buy them things, or take them on vacations, or must have a good job etc. in order to be a good little “beta provider.” Women who believe they have a beta on the hook hint at things like this constantly. It’s entirely different from a homeless person begging for change.

    You ARE the one whining about men you don’t like being attracted you, and somehow you seem to expect that all of the molecules in the universe ought to be rearranged to change this more to your liking. Lol, too bad you’d have to convince those beta’s you don’t like to do it, cause they’re probably the only ones who can figure out how.

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  96. on November 13, 2009 at 7:07 pm Wendy Schwartz

    She found out that men are extremely horny; are always looking for the next bang; are very visual; very into porn; are always trying to push the envelope sexually; will have sex with a new person at the drop of a hat; and can really be short sighted when sex is involved.

    Ummm we all know this. The things you just listed are ALL men know and care about. Their dick and putting it into a hole. That is the entire complexity of their nature and women DO know that which is exactly why we find you repulsive, silly, irrational, undisciplined, and easy to manipulate.

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  97. @clio – good points. what’s the age difference between you and your fiancee, if you don’t mind sharing? inquiring minds want to know.

    @bonnie- some dude jerked off at the sight of you in a public place? really? you expect us to believe that? is that train populated by inmates from a mental institution?

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  98. on November 13, 2009 at 6:11 pm gunslingergregi

    Or again if you have loot you can hire your own team of chicks to go and pull for you so you don’t have to look “creepy” standing in a bar.

    You can sit in your house and give thumbs up or down on the woman that are brought.

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  99. on November 13, 2009 at 6:16 pm gunslingergregi

    Or shit legitamize yourself by purchasing ad space on cable 50 times a day telling about just how fucking awesome you are and put a number for chicks to call.

    Buy some stripclubs so you can have first access to chicks that “try out”

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  100. The age question is still really problematic.

    Roissy’s “85/stopped smoking” line is funny, but when I field test it, it doesn’t really distract them for very long, even if I try to change the subject quickly. In fact, it makes them even more intrigued! Not the intended effect when you’re the old guy.

    Some girls get really insistent on this question and if it matters to them I assume that they might be embarrassed to tell friends/family they’re with someone older.

    Since being gay is now wonderful, society had to compensate by becoming prudish about something else, namely college girls w/30-something guys.

    I don’t really want to get defensive or lose my cool when a girl starts jackhammering this question at me.

    What’s the better default – truth or lie?

    I had a date (14 yrs younger) instantly go down the toilet when I told the truth. I even tried to save it with a qualify – “Do you judge people by their age?” FAIL. Her answer: “Not as friends, no.”

    But another girl (11 yrs younger) had an ex my age, and was fine with it.

    Other times I lie and later when they flake on me, I wonder if they found out on the Internet or I left an incriminating document lying around the house or something.

    I suppose if you’re alpha enough, you should be able lie and get away with it even when found out, no?

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  101. on November 13, 2009 at 6:17 pm gunslingergregi

    Open an escort service for all the right reasons.

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  102. Aliasclio,

    Good call on the suit. I see G-Manifesto often talks about wearing suits as well.

    I have a decent collection of suits and I very much enjoy wearing them. I automatically “feel” much more confident/alpha wearing my suit.

    Plus, it also extends further to other people. For example: A couple of weeks ago, I was going to go out for an evening with a girl, and I asked her to wear a dress, so I wouldn’t look out of place in my suit. It wasn’t that we needed to wear dress clothes – we only went to a lounge, had a few drinks, walked to a restaurant, had dinner, walked by the waterfront, went to another lounge, went back home and screwed like bunnies… casual clothes would have worked just as well. But, in a suit, in each place we went, the staff went out of their way, offering to take our coats, treating us more cordially and formally etc. Later, as we were walking, her high heels were bothering her, so we stopped in at a shoe store that was open late to buy a pair of flats, and out of a crowd of people, there was instantly a clerk there, again, showering us with respect…

    I think it plays out a lot that wearing a suit causes others to treat you “alpha” a lot quicker, and of course, this helps to present the proper aura to your date.

    Plus, it just makes me feel so good to wear one.

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  103. on November 13, 2009 at 6:50 pm gunslingergregi

    Dresses for the ladies though very important hottess amplifier.

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  104. What’s your opinion on hair? Should a man start using Just for Men once he starts getting the salt-and-pepper look?

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  105. Maurice, my fiance is three years older than I am. He tells me that before he met he didn’t think he’d be capable of falling for a woman so close to his age (as opposed to simply finding her attractive), but I appear to have changed his mind.

    About a significant age difference: there are two ways to work it. One is to pretend it doesn’t exist. The second is to work it for all it is worth.

    The first way might be all right if a man looks young for his age, is genuinely young (a 30-year-old dating a 19-year-old), or doesn’t plan to see the woman more than once or twice, so that she can’t find out his actual age and be spooked by it.

    The second method is the most likely to be effective with young women who actually want or prefer older men – which ought to be what you fellows look for in young women, unless you’re suckers for punishment, or are in denial about your actual age. It probably isn’t worthwhile trying to deceive a younger woman into thinking you’re younger than you are: if she finds out, it will make you look “beta”. Confident men don’t lie about their age, though they may conceal it.

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  106. ATC, you shouldn’t have tried to qualify. When she asked your age, you should have played suspicious and asked, “Why? You looking for a sugar daddy?”

    This works especially well on women who are not hoes. You make it clear that you’re okay with tradition, but you’re not looking for a lazy hoe, and she’ll be knitting sweaters and selling them on eBay to happily bring *you* 20’s in her g-string.

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  107. hahahahaha…..
    ______________________________________

    Should I give up on our marriage if my wife has?

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/should-i-give-up-on-our-marriage-if-my-wife-has/article1361329/

    A reader writes: After a difficult couple of years with my wife, I thought we were on the road to recovery. She was very unhappy over my treatment of her mother, who moved in with us after her husband died. The fault was mine, but after her mother moved out, we had counselling a couple of times and I believed I could mend fences. But I was still edgy, unsure of my wife’s feelings for me. She viewed my silence as anger, and in June she told me she wanted a divorce. We’ve been married 15 years and have an 11-year-old daughter. Now I am in a separate bedroom and continuing with counselling, while my wife is taking personal empowerment therapy. I have been showing her my love every day but she won’t even entertain the idea of couple counselling. I feel that if we tried we could find happiness again. Can you help?

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  108. @clio – thanks, and I know better than to ask what those ages are. i think you’re right about there being a certain subset of women that are OK with dating an older guy, or even preferring it. sort of like (contra chateau roissy gospel) asshole behavior only works on a certain subset of women.

    @mike- whaa?? most women find the salt and pepper look pretty sexy.

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  109. You look like Jamie Oliver

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  110. btw, maurice, want to hear an odd story? I once knew a younger man who actually added 4 years to his age so that he could tell me that he was older than I am. See, he wanted to date me and I was in fact 3 years his senior. I found out about it when his friends gave him a birthday party at work.

    The world is full of surprises.

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  111. SM wrote at 1:25 pm:

    …for the everyday guy no matter how much confidence you have in your cold approach game, it gets increasingly difficult not to come across as creepy old guy in a bar/club scene.

    This is very, very true. At the same time, this is exactly what Roissy is pointing out. As guys get older, our game needs to be that much tighter. Indirect openers are key. My wing, for instance, is 43, but he’s one of those people that can talk about anything with anyone, so when he approaches it’s always indirect for him and he almost never gets blown out.

    Also, if you think about it, one of the attractive qualities for an older male is having that sense of worldliness and maturity, part of which is manifested in strong conversational skills and yes, boldness – i.e. not putting her on a pedestal. Remember, everything she does is cute.

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  112. Excellent post.

    I just turned 38. Got a call from a college chick I was banging a couple of years ago on my birthday a couple of weeks ago. Wants me to come visit.

    A few days after my birthday I got a text from a 23-24ish respiratory therapist I know who was in town to party for Halloween and wanted to meet up with me.

    We played text tag all night and unfortunately nothing came to fruition (partially due to the fact that I was working another chick that also fell through, shit).

    Anyway, point is, I’m almost 40 years old, I’m no Clooney or Pitt (although I do have some status in my circles) and I’m still FAR from being called out as a “creepy old man”.

    As for the IOI’s decreasing as I get older, well, that’s probably true, but more a function of my life situation than age. I did notice that recently when I changed up my look a bit I started getting more looks from women of all ages.

    harrassed LOL

    man i can’t wait til you dumb broads hit the wall

    No doubt.

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  113. Another thing-

    Age is a only a number.

    Rule #1- Don’t mention age.

    Rule #2- If she brings it up, REFRAME.

    Her- “So how OLD are you anyway?”

    You- “How old are YOU?”

    Her- “I’m 22!”

    You- “HOLYFUCKINGSHIT! You’re just a baby!”

    Her- “No I’m NOT! I’m a grown ass woman!”

    Don’t overdo it, but every now and then drop another comment about her age with the implication that she might not be up to your standards maturity-wise.

    I have a 100% success rate turning this shit around on younger chicks. I’ve had this same convo with SEVERAL of them and it never fails- it you make it seem as if she isn’t mature enough for YOU, she WILL work to prove you wrong.

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  114. If you’re a white-collar bloke, watch movies with Frank Sinatra or Carey Grant in them for tips on self-presentation. Sinatra’s rumpled-but-dressy look (tie undone but hanging around his neck) works well, as do Grant-style bon mots which *never* seem pomous, but always tease his female companion while making fun of himself.

    If you’re a blue-collar fellow, try movies with Redford or Paul Newman (or both), playing one of their country-boy or workking-class roles, for inspiration.

    Don’t know why I’m feeling so helpful tonight.

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  115. The age of consent is between 14 and 16 in all of Europe except Ireland where it’s 17, and Spain, where it’s 13.

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  116. Trouble

    15?!?!?

    Map of Europe’s ages of consent

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_of_europe.shtml#ages_consent

    Ages of consent higher than 16 are unusual around the world outside of parts of the Muslim world, and parts of America (mostly much of the West, following California and it’s feminists). More of the world has ages of consent lower than 16 than equal to 16. 15 is probably about the world average by population. Lower that 14 is fairly unusual these days though. I.e. it’s set after the large majority of girls have reached menarche, but not only just after that in most places.

    It’s higher in parts of the the US than 16 due to feminist campaigning, naturally. 50 years ago it was as low as 14 in many states.

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  117. Sorry. Meant to link a map of world ages of consent:

    http://asocialstudies.wordpress.com/2006/06/01/age-of-consent-world-map/

    Feminists have had remarkable success in brainwashing American minds.

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  118. aliasclio at 5:43 pm:

    Really great advice in this comment. I disagree about avoiding coffee shops, but otherwise everything she says here is spot on.

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  119. Finn girls, hmmm. Looks tasty and nutritious.

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  120. > The age of consent is between 14 and 16 in all of Europe except Ireland where it’s 17, and Spain, where it’s 13.

    Fifteen is a fit age to love, for a girl, though I wouldnt advise it for a man if the law’s against him. But 15 is not a fit age to be pump and dumped by some lurid old player, which is part of why those laws enforce such a high age of consent.

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  121. Make that “a lurid old player who’s worn half the nerve-endings off his dick.” More descriptive.

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  122. If you band and marry EURO GIRL who is below 18, and bring her to America, you get your rectum scrubbed by a lasbo SVU wannabe cop.

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  123. I don’t think older men need to be too strict about avoiding coffee shops. But I do think they need to look as if they’re busy and perhaps important (though not self-important), important in the sense that other people are depending on them to be there and get things done.

    If a man appears to have too much time to hang around doing nothing in particular, he’ll look lonely and at loose ends, which does nothing for his “Game”.

    Another point: it’s all right for a young stud to cruise a whole bar getting phone numbers from 7 different girls (though even for him it can backfire and make him look as if he’s “trying too hard”, as women are wont to observe), but an older man doing the same thing will look over-eager, even desperate. Be seen flirting lightly at your place of choice with several women but only try to get a number from one of them…she’ll be that much more flattered at your interest and more inclined to say yes to a date. If it doesn’t work out you can always go back there another night.

    As an older man, your “social proof” should come from the quality and not the quantity of the women that other women see you with. An attractive former girlfriend with whom you’re on good terms might make a worthwhile, er, “wingman”, for that reason.

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  124. Remember that in most of the countries that have an especially low age of consent its because they are patriarchal societies and are protected by male relatives.

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  125. Sorry, meant bang not band
    Also, new post on WBF.

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  126. Kevin K,
    I think your wrong, in Holland, they have a lower age of consent than America, yet the head of royalty, and State is Queen Beatrix.

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  127. I said “most”. Try hitting on a school girl in Sicily and get back to me.

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  128. Clio,

    The way you use words like “bloke” and “fellow” is such a turn on. I can just imagine what that Canadian accent might sound like in all sorts of different situations…

    Racer X=Bloke
    Tupac=Fellow

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  129. What the hell is a Canadian accent, eh?

    And, in all my time oot and aboot, I’ve never bumped into a Clio. Is she a Canucklehead?

    Sheesh.

    Take off, eh.

    You hosers.

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  130. on November 13, 2009 at 11:48 pm Marcus Aureliette

    An attractive former girlfriend with whom you’re on good terms

    I have to wonder how many of those there actually are, given the “all women are stupid/amoral/useless/goodforonlyonething/diposable/etc” sentiments which prevail here….

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  131. on November 13, 2009 at 11:49 pm Marcus Aureliette

    *disposable* argh, stumblefingers!

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  132. Speaking as a certifiable old dude at 40, old man game is definitely day game and loungey bar game. fedrz hit on something key which I never thought of before: sit at a table, and you get mad action. Bar is where the drunks and losers sit. Plus, assholes at tables are always trying to lean over you to get drinks, which puts you in a beta-ized physical position. Also, weekends are useless, except for banging old ladies in hotel bars.

    I disagree that EOI’s lower in quantity over the years. As you get older, the EOI’s are different, but probably more frequent. It helps that I wear a suit and die all the time: thank you, Mad Men producers, for putting the idea into impressionable young ladies that suit and tie guy is a passion crazed sex monster. I also lift weights like a machine, maintain a 31″ waist and mainline fish oil and antioxidants. I’m pretty sure boning lots of younger women has also helped keep my skin fresh and unwrinkled, and the fact that I am self employed and answerable to no man keeps a few hairs attached to my forehead. Age happens by being stuck with some old bag, and working for a grouch: two things I will never do to myself.

    Other salient facts about old dude game: as an older man, you are already an alpha. I mean, it helps if you are aggressive and healthy and accomplished, but just the fact that you’re older makes you more alpha. When you’re 22, and some chick is comparing you to some dirtball who works in a record store, she might be confused on this issue. If you get thrown over for a record store clerk at 40, you might as well jump off a bridge. A recently divorced and not very confident friend didn’t believe me, but I sent him forth armed with this information and not much else, and he porked a swathe of early 20s vaginal destruction which was truly gratifying to see.

    The main downside of old age game is you can’t be bothered. When I was 25 or 30, I wasted a lot of time on douches I wouldn’t even spit on now, just to get the lay. Now that I am old and jaded, I either got to be super hard up, or she’s got to be really something special, otherwise I am too goddamned old to put up with dumb shit from women. I’d rather go make money, or just call up some chick I already know than put up with over insolent women.

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  133. @ Mike

    What’s your opinion on hair? Should a man start using Just for Men once he starts getting the salt-and-pepper look?

    ____

    If you have good hair (not overly thin and/or bad receding hairline), the color doesn’t matter as much. In fact, some men look very good with gray hair. Also, hair color fades over time and can sometimes give a reddish cast to the hair, which looks fake and actually much worse than the gray.

    In my opinion, the best looking older men have a somewhat weathered look to them (like Clint Eastwood in his 40s).

    Keeping in good shape, maintaining muscle mass, avoiding belly fat and making sure to take good care of your teeth can make a big difference in the appearance of an older man.

    But generally speaking appearance matters much less to women (especially once they know you).

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  134. Chris Rock said it best, “You do *not* wanna be the oldest cat in the club.”

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  135. Yeah, I wouldn’t say that Holland has a patriarchal society, lol!

    That is the most hedonist society I have ever witnessed… and it was a lot of fun. But, the whole world can’t be like Holland.

    Good God No!

    My cousins from there are feminist to the core, and there is no talking with them… if they weren’t my cousins, they would make up for it by baring their breasts so often… but, they’re my cousins! Put the cousins away, cousin!

    They grow good pot though!

    Ik ben een Nederlandse jongen!

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  136. By the way, Holland will “cure you” of tits in a big hurry.

    When I lived there, I was attending University. And when we started, it was winter. By the time spring came about, all the girls I was in school with were sitting on the lawn, tits a bouncin’.

    On an average decent weather day, a good 5 to 10 pairs of tits would be spotted on the way to school. Walk downtown? More tits, on the boats of the people cruising the canals.

    Tits, tits, tits.

    You’d think these people might have invented a milk cow or something (Frisian Holstiens) that were only good for milking… tits are everwhere!

    Then you come home to North America, and girls are giggling about the amount of cleavage they are showing… again… (It’ll take years for them girls to have that kinda power! Sorry, my dearies!)

    It took at least a year after coming home before tits became sexually attractive to me again.

    Keep that in mind, ladies! They are not infinite in their manipulat-ability.

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  137. hey roissy, how were you like prior to learning game?

    not a natural, not hopeless.

    no way — he was obviously hopeless. No one gets as bitter and misogynistic as Roissy without getting repeatedly slammed by the worst sort of rejections when they were young. Judging by the tone of his blog, it’s only over the past couple of years that he’s begun to get laid at a normal human level of frequency and quality.

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  138. anony:

    and thank God, my daughters will never be that screwed up.

    Regarding your daughters, anony: I’m curious — do you feel they take after their father or your husband?

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  139. Fag:

    no way — he was obviously hopeless. No one gets as bitter and misogynistic as Roissy without getting repeatedly slammed by the worst sort of rejections when they were young. Judging by the tone of his blog, it’s only over the past couple of years that he’s begun to get laid at a normal human level of frequency and quality.

    Hi Keith.

    Hi Cliff.

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  140. R:

    Nice lidded bedroom eyes on the Finn.

    Love that shit.

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  141. Clio:

    btw, maurice, want to hear an odd story? I once knew a younger man who actually added 4 years to his age so that he could tell me that he was older than I am. See, he wanted to date me and I was in fact 3 years his senior.

    Why must you air our dirty laundry on this blog my dear?

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  142. on November 14, 2009 at 1:40 am msexceptiontotherule

    “Gunz-writes-a-book 😉

    Definetly can up the challenge level post divorce when your still all fucked up. Why I am coming out with my first book ghetto game and why you should pack a nine…”

    Revolver is better; won’t have to worry about shell casings to pick up afterwards, and if you need more than 6 shots you’re already dead.

    …”Open an escort service for all the right reasons.”

    That’s something I’m saving for when I finally come so close to a murderous rampage at work, and need to find other employment. I think I’d make a great mama-san, if I could just manage to get rid of my morals, conscience, and the protective instincts towards those with little self-preservation instinct and inability to protect themselves to the point of blindly walking into being victims over and over. I guess that’s probably why you have to sell your soul or something if you want to run a brothel or escort service. I like my soul, and I think I may still need it in the future, so I’ll have to figure out something else…maybe dictator of a small country…..so I have something in mind when I’m ready to change occupations.

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  143. Marcus
    Think for a second. What better metric of a guys desirability to women is there than how many of them are out there who would take a second chance (or at least a second ride) with the guy if they could get one. Add to that how much they are still willing to please you even if their odds of getting next to you are low – but something strong remains in her heart.
    In other words, imagine you are graduating from MED SCHOOL (or lawshull) and there are 3 hopeful, eager hotties starrying/looking wistfully at you all sitting in a row. Each has been given a deep, pounding reason believe she might be the worthy one.
    The way it works, you can only take one home to bed afterwards. So that bit is worthless for scoring purposes.
    The real test is in regard how long a line of eager hotties can you get to sit in that “take me please” – scene.. That is the test that needs scoring.
    I had 3 going after me that night. WTFE I went home with the 19 year old., the one with honey blond hair down to her ass and a fine partly British accent. She notably was a 1st yr Med Student. Three whole years ahead of schedule and wearing bikinis & work skirts to class.
    I need a woman who built for rough use. The young ones who are still strong are best for this,

    with the guy

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  144. Hey, pick a country next to mine!

    We’ll do shifty deals that will raise the ire of the populuce, and then we’ll stamp it out and laugh! This seems much like the wetern world to me.

    Mwah hah hah!

    Bow before Fedrz!

    Mwah hah hah!

    Bow, dammit!

    Why aren’t you bowing?

    I’ll have you spanked, you know!

    What do you mean that would turn you on?

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  145. Wendy Schwartz is so adept at picking up gazes from males because for a long time, this ability allowed her to put food on the table. So don’t blame her, guys. It’s just the dirty stripper in her. You should check out her halloween costume on her blog. She looks…healthy.

    To anony: You can’t control who your daughter fucks once she reaches the age of 18. The more you control, the more she will rebel. The truth is, she will get fucked, and probably pumped and dumped, unless she is a fat troll. It’s a fact of life. If you can’t handle it, I strongly suggest you start learning now, for your own mental health.

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  146. What’s your opinion on hair coloring/Just for Men? Do younger women find salt-and-pepper look creepy?

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  147. Salt-and-pepper FTW.

    At least I hope so. I’m starting to get mine…

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  148. I actually have a shock of white in the middle front of my hairline that cropped up when I was in college. Very strange. Nothing else was grey. Got a lot of favorable compliments about it though. Chicks dig it. Back when I had long hair it was like a skunk’s stripe. But now I’m seeing it in the temples and a little on the sides.

    I’ve already passed the dirty thirty, but my dad was completely grey by the time he hit that age. *shudder*

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  149. Clio rocks.

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  150. “fear or cowardice or expedience’

    fear.cowardice… expedience.

    which does not belong?

    obscure.

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  151. aliasclio:

    I don’t think older men need to be too strict about avoiding coffee shops. But I do think they need to look as if they’re busy and perhaps important (though not self-important), important in the sense that other people are depending on them to be there and get things done.

    If a man appears to have too much time to hang around doing nothing in particular, he’ll look lonely and at loose ends, which does nothing for his “Game”.

    I get what you’re saying. When you’re right you’re right. This rings true on an intuitive level when I think about what we know now about male and female attraction and is also very consistent with writers like David Deida. Women want a man of action, power, and substance – not someone with nothing better to do than sit around at a coffee shop. It isn’t as bad as being a shiftless barfly, but it isn’t helping.

    Another point: it’s all right for a young stud to cruise a whole bar getting phone numbers from 7 different girls…but an older man doing the same thing will look over-eager, even desperate. Be seen flirting lightly at your place of choice with several women but only try to get a number from one of them…she’ll be that much more flattered at your interest and more inclined to say yes to a date. If it doesn’t work out you can always go back there another night.

    As an older man, your “social proof” should come from the quality and not the quantity of the women that other women see you with. An attractive former girlfriend with whom you’re on good terms might make a worthwhile, er, “wingman”, for that reason.

    Yeah, this makes a lot of sense. I’ve honestly been struggling with the standard Game paradigm of approach, approach, approach, especially in clubs. It makes sense in the beginning when trying to build up some experience, but that’s about it. What you’re talking about, really, is a natural attraction framework for the older man.

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  152. Kind of screwed up the italics tag at the end of that last comment.

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  153. Lady Rain, why are you complaining?
    YOU LOOK 45.

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  154. A cynic is a disappointed idealist.

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  155. One thing I’ve noticed a lot on the internet is older women complaining about older men chasing after younger women.

    I would put LR into this category. Does anyone here really believe that she is 28? To me she looks to be about 40.

    I would guess that she is very narcissistic and upset about the fact that her sexual attractiveness is rapidly deteriorating and it makes her feel better to pretend to herself that men are going through the same thing as her.

    Which I don’t think we are, for the most part. LR, you had your moment of glory 15 or 20 years ago. Now please let us men enjoy ourselves.

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  156. This post hits close to home. Unless i’m in this one bar at this one night in d.c. wearing this my plaid shirt, i RARELY get looks at night.

    So I gotta work. I figure this is how it is for good looking guys who age.

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  157. And by the way, pretty much every guy who cold approaches women is going to seem creepy and weird to a lot of them. Especially if he is new to approaching people and is a bit unpolished and clumsy.

    Guys, don’t let anyone make you feel ashamed about approaching women in public places. As long as you move along if the woman makes it pretty clear she is not interested, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

    In my opinion of course.

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  158. I feel you, Roosh. I thought that cold approaching was the only way to improve, and when I started, I never really picked up on AI’s. I think that recognizing AI’s is more work than getting past that initial approach anxiety.

    The nervousness usually dissipates after I start talking. It’s like bungee jumping.

    Doing a cold approach can be a huge adrenaline rush, and one that I live for.

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  159. I agree with this post. There’s an age sweet spot and I recommend that guys take advantage of it. I’d say it’s between 25-35. I’m currently 27, and this is the best time for me. I feel bad for all my friends who are settling down at this point. I guess it depends on your look as you age, but I believe it is totally possible to pull younger girls. I have an ex who before me only dated guys in their mid thirties. She was 25. And that chick above who says that ‘older guys are creepy.’ I say who gives a shit? It’s a numbers game anyhow and there are many younger girls who WANT to fuck older men.

    It’s hilarious for me to hear stories from women about how so and so guy was creepy, or ‘I can’t believe this guy hit on me.’ Ok granted some of these guys have terrible game, but a guy with a player mentality won’t even be fazed. While she’s telling her girlfriends about it, this guys off to the next girl.

    If an older player has balls and is desensitized to rejection he will do fine. The best players I have ever met have been in sales at some point in their lives. Try making continuous cold calls on a Saturday morning to test your rejection courage, and the ones who can push through it make more money than 95% of the population.

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  160. on November 14, 2009 at 10:26 am Marcus Aureliette

    Guys, don’t let anyone make you feel ashamed about approaching women in public places. As long as you move along if the woman makes it pretty clear she is not interested, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

    Probably the most important thing to do, if she says she’s not interested, is to not care about the rejection…or at the very least, successfully present that facade.

    I don’t think most women resent being approached politely, I really don’t. Cold approaches only really go off the rails when the guy turns all spiteful and angry upon being turned down — that’s the objectionable part. (And I mean turned down politely by the woman, not blown off rudely.) Once a girl’s had that happen a few times, it’s not surprising if she’s a bit gun-shy of any guy approaching her.

    The guys who go all Mr. Hyde when turned down are the ones ruining it for the rest of you.

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  161. on November 14, 2009 at 10:37 am Patrick Bateman

    A much needed kick in the pants.
    I realized the other day that this has been pretty much the type of game I’ve been running. I’ve managed to get a good social circle going and I’m the alpha at bar nights, pub crawls, etc. we run, but without the constant AIs I get at these venues, I’d be shit out of luck.

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  162. @UgSlayer
    “You should check out her halloween costume on her blog. She looks…healthy.”

    That’s a man, baby!

    @SmartDuck

    Wendy Schwartz, why are you complaining?
    YOU LOOK 45.

    Ok, a 45 year old man, in drag.

    @Dude-Looks-Like-A-Wendy Schwartz

    What kind of unbelievably pathetic losers are still checking you out? The only shout-out you should be getting are “Hey dude, nice tits!”

    You want to judge all men by the actions of the absolute worst of them…then are shocked, SHOCKED when in our weaker moments we say “all women are whores”?!

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  163. Oops! Did I stumble in here by mistake? The title says ‘mature’ men. Men in their 30’s are not mature, but the posters here don’t seem to know that.

    Mature Game is something you learn in your 50’s, and perfect in your 60’s. Forget about 20 somethings, and go for the sweet meat. Personally, I wouldn’t touch anything under 40. Thin lips = tight pussy in any age group.

    Mature girls play a different game. They rip off their own clothes, grab hold of your dick and do things you folks only dream about. Inhabitions are yesterday for these girls, and they know how to keep a secret. From the female clerk/secretary to the boss of bosses the Mature Alpha male has his pick. No strings, no babies, no messy break-ups, but plenty of sweaty passionate sex that they deny their Beta husbands and/or LTR boyfriends.

    “Are You Experienced” asks Jimi Hendricks. I ask this question with my eyes; they answer yes, yes, yes, every time.

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  164. “@bonnie- some dude jerked off at the sight of you in a public place? really? you expect us to believe that? is that train populated by inmates from a mental institution?”

    This happens constantly, and not only to good-looking girls. Google ‘train masturbator’ or ‘subway masturbator’ for 1 million hits. Of course the men who do it are crazy. There are a lot of crazy men out there.

    Philadelphia has a very high percentage of older people who were kicked out of the big state mental institutions a few decades ago. Many are homeless.

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  165. And fedrz, I have absolutely no problem with men being attracted to me (even if I find them very unattractive). I am a young, good-looking girl and while I dress fairly modestly I still try to look my best.

    I just prefer men treat me with politeness – and most do. Some don’t, and some are overtly scary and threatening.

    I certainly don’t consider the average guy, who would never make obscese gestures or remarks at a woman on the street, to be on par with the low-lifes who do.

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  166. I would love it if a guy could just walk up to me and shoot the shit! That would be so great! I don’t care if a man is 70 or 24, the attention is so damn flattering! So please, approach more women you guys! Women like me appreciate it. 🙂

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  167. Women WANT older men.

    in junior high all the hot girls were dating high school guys.
    in high school all the hot girls were dating college guys.

    in college the hot girls were dating older men with real jobs out of college.

    Women will fuck men their own age- but the hot ones usually dated older men. the more attractive women were always drawn to older men / mature men.

    25 year old women date men in their 30’s regularly.

    shit! i am over 30 and i cant even begin to tell you how many women over 25 i have gone out with this year- a few 21 year olds as well.

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  168. Most 25 year old men are meat heads with zero game- and most of them are hooked on ps3.
    I can’t begin to tell you how many younger women are desperate for a man.

    I have been on too many dates to count since my last post (before today)- I don’t feel bad or guilty- I feel as if I am providing a public service for these women- charity as it may be.

    I provide romance, to a generation of women that are starved for it.
    My younger (mid 20’s) sibling isn’t dating- he is too busy with sports, cars, and video games- so are all of his friends. *I try to steer him into game- but he isn’t ready for it.

    Date after date women tell me how tired they are of men that wont man up and ask them out!
    Men that won’t make a move.

    Younger women will date you- and they will do it gladly.

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  169. on November 14, 2009 at 2:45 pm Wendy Schwartz

    LMAO. Actually men BEING with older women is NOT my complaint.

    My complaint is men looking at/leering at, hitting on, talking to, undressing with eyeballs, walking behind, etc……women in random public places with the CLEAR intent on trying to “pick her up”.

    As for the many (pathetic) attempts to insult me personally, ummm I have never taken a man’s money and only ever lived with ONE and definitely learned my lesson on THAT. I make my own money as an Inspector/CNC Programmer and work in Engineering as well (just like dear old daddy).

    Dancing was a great supplemental income and I’d highly recommend you do it (like in between whatever your regular job like I did).

    As for the men saying that a DANCING JOB is the same as “living off a man”, you know you are retarded. That’s like saying well your income isn’t really YOURS because it’s actually your EMPLOYER’S money that he is paying you.

    Even a 1st grader would be able to see the retardation of a statement like that.

    I suppose if you (as a man) are the owner of a grocery store and women shop there, you are allowing a woman to “pay your bills”????? Of course not, because that is idiotic.

    Yes, yes…..I’m 100 years old, fat, aging, a transvestite, and what else? A whore, was it? LOL

    My birthday is this week (November 19) and I’m turning 29 and YES I cannot WAIT to actually grow older and older and FINALLY be treated as a human (and not a piece of ass). It makes my stomach turn when men look at me or try to date me because I know that anything involving men and sex with men denotes me either

    1. Losing money and maybe having to pay some douchebag’s bills

    2. A guy wanting babies or marriage (both are out of the question of course)

    3. Some dude living in my home and wanting sex and “us time” which is something I wish could be left to the pros (hookers and escorts).

    I’ve told you all before that if as a gender you would STOP being so openly obsessed with sex and women, the ladies would no longer have any power over you.

    You do it to YOURSELVES. Women do not put on make up and dress nice or stay in shape to “attract men”. ANY woman can land a man. We do it because pretty women are treated better by society as a whole. Men, Women, Children, Employers, Judges, Lawyers, the Grocery Store Clerk……EVERYONE.

    We don’t WANT your attention, your penis, or anything else. You mean are seriously never satisfied. We finally are at a place where we want NOTHING from you and just want you to go fuck hookers and do your own thing and even THAT isn’t good enough for you. Demanding much?

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  170. on November 14, 2009 at 2:50 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I would love it if a guy could just walk up to me and shoot the shit! That would be so great! I don’t care if a man is 70 or 24, the attention is so damn flattering! So please, approach more women you guys! Women like me appreciate it.

    Confusion is setting in. WHAT? You don’t have ENOUGH men trying to sound educated and/or witty and funny????

    In all seriousness, women who LIKE it when old ugly guys hit on them should carry a giant flashing arrow to spare the rest of us.

    And to whatever guy said “looks just aren’t that important to a woman”. Ummm stop kidding yourself. That only worked back in the day when women married ONLY for money and security. Now we want sexy arm-candy….

    Look (in a man) ARE number one whether you choose to believe it or not. That would be why a large majority of you who are not (Adonis) NEED Roissy’s advice. Because you can’t seem to understand that if you are out of shape, chubby, balding, old, or poor you pretty much have NO chance of getting a woman. (Unless you are REALLY famous, of course.)

    Dude, deal with it. Women have had to rely on our looks always…..now men do as well. Stop being lazy and go learn how to dress yourselves and smell good and most of all NOT be out of shape (or maybe that’s just me).

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  171. on November 14, 2009 at 2:53 pm Wendy Schwartz

    lol….blinderzoff. Tell it to the extremely hot men that STILL call and text me daily….see my current arm-candy “Eric” (since you clearly looked at my myspace profile).

    Younger than me, gorgeous, 6’7 tall (everyone knows I love tall men), in great shape, and owns his own landscaping company and works ALL THE TIME…..

    Yeah, dude I’m really hard up.

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  172. Beautiful girl roissy!

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  173. Wendy Schwartz, you are funny. You don’t have to try to impress anyone with your “personal achievements”. It’s funny you talk about men’s looks. You should invest in a chemical peel, some exercise equipment, and probably more than a bit of lipo and skin-tightening. From the look of your halloween pics on your blog, it seems that you’re starting to hit the wall pretty hard. That diet of ice cream and cookies is ok when you’re 12, but it doesn’t seem like your genetics handle it very well anymore.

    When you’re old and ugly, your quips are no longer cute and witty. They reveal a bitter, insecure interior. You’ve hit the wall and you know it.

    Keep posting, though. This is fun.

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  174. on November 14, 2009 at 4:05 pm Wendy Schwartz

    UgSlayer–

    lol and more lol. Ummmm you do realize that I’m fearing full-face halloween makeup including white “clown face” make-up?

    Yes I am a “big and beautiful” size 5 at 5’7 (?) and should DEFINITELY think about going down to children’s sizes because THAT’s what a healthy adult woman looks like.

    OMG WHAT would they LIPOSUCTON???? lol…..omg seriously you KNOW you are grasping at straws that don’t even exist. I’m still medically “underweight” for my age, height, and general build so I’m pretty sure I’m in the clear.

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  175. on November 14, 2009 at 4:08 pm Wendy Schwartz

    PS: ARE there Halloween pics on my blog????? I didn’t put any there…..

    No, wait are you talking about my myspace page? There’s Halloween pics there, yes.

    It was actually for a Halloween parade because I had 5 children begging for an adult to also dress up with them and what holiday is more fun than Halloween!!! The kids loved it and that’s all that matters.

    (PSS: Those are my 13 year old nieces’ “thigh high” knit socks I’m wearing, too…..she completed my outfit with them 🙂

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  176. on November 14, 2009 at 4:09 pm Wendy Schwartz

    I agree, UgSlayer that “this is fun” because we’ve never spoken and you’ve already posted on MY blog, posted on THIS blog in answer to anything I type, and even pathetically paged through my myspace page.

    Well if this is “hitting the wall” I sure still get a lot of attention for doing so, eh?

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  177. on November 14, 2009 at 4:21 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Nein, JerkDogg (previously JerrDogg????? Or is this an imposter?)

    I am aware of my “Jew-Nose” because I openly make fun of it all the time. That doesn’t bother me because I think if I changed my nose (or made it smaller or w/e) it would change my entire face….

    I realize you just see pics, but it’s not like ANY of my facial features are “delicate” or “tiny” so I think a nose-job would probably look weird next to my other…errrr….strong features.

    Thanks for the honest appraisal though.

    [editor: interesting that you so quickly qualified yourself to jerkdogg. you haz just been gamed.]

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  178. There are Halloween pics on her blog? I couldn’t tell the difference.

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  179. LMAO. Actually men BEING with older women is NOT my complaint.

    LMAO : “laughing my arse off”

    a lady, indeed

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  180. LR,

    I saw your Halloween pics. The one thing that struck me is that your side profile shows that your nose is continuing to grow longer than the aesthetic ideal for your face. I showed this to a golfing buddy of mine who does nose jobs. In particular he said the nasal labial angle is just too small. Your other looks are ok so you’d get a lot of mileage out of a nose job. He’d recommend an open rhinoplasty where your nasal labial angle is restored to the aesthetic ideal and your nose overall is made smaller.

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  181. One thing about age is that some men age well and some don’t. The aging isn’t as extreme obviously as it is for women. If a guy ages well, there’s a few changes to his appearance from his younger ages that will actually make him look better. Most guys under 30 look like immature pussies and just simply move to fast. It is so easy to manipulate them too. I think a guy who ages will that is in his late 30’s is probably in the prime for getting women.

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  182. on November 14, 2009 at 5:46 pm Wendy Schwartz

    sabril–

    You must be from a foreign country then, because I have never been attracted to a man because “he has a good personality” or because “he’s ugly but has money”. The problem is that men who DON’T get laid blame the reasons on anything EXCEPT their looks. Just because you refuse to admit it or believe it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    Duh, of course my Halloween Costume is slutty. It’s the one I had to wear for Halloween when I used to work at the Strip Club (Yes I had to wear shorts UNDER the skirt and garter so ass not to show my entire ass and had to wear my nieces thigh-socks because the stockings w/ bows that go with the costume are REALLY inappropriate).

    Wait, is “look like a slut” supposed to be insulting?

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  183. “My birthday is this week (November 19) and I’m turning 29 and YES I cannot WAIT to actually grow older and older and FINALLY be treated as a human (and not a piece of ass”

    Funny then, that you chose to dress like a slut on Halloween.

    “Look (in a man) ARE number one whether you choose to believe it or not. ”

    I choose not to believe it because it completely contradicts my personal experience.

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  184. on November 14, 2009 at 6:50 pm Wendy Schwartz

    It’s true, I secretly prefer balding, fat, ugly men than attractive ones. We all do.

    Talk about “delusion”

    Right, rum. She didn’t dump you because you were ugly/bald/fat/boring/out of shape….she dumped you because she’s evil/picky/demanding/shallow/a whore.

    Take your own advice. Keep telling yourselves that.

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  185. on November 14, 2009 at 7:02 pm Wendy Schwartz

    OF COURSE women are obsessed with their looks. They SHOULD be!

    Being “pretty” is more valuable than a college degree or doctorate, all the wealth in the world, and all the status of a Queen.

    “Pretty” is enough to get free EVERYTHING, get employers to like you, getting men to carry things/do things/fawn over you, getting women to not mess with you (ugly chicks know that they’ll never win a competition in ANYTHING against a pretty girl even if she’s dumb as a box of rocks), gets car dealers to give you discounts, bartenders to serve you first (and overpour, of course) …..pretty much anything that’s a “first” too…. first to get a taxi, first in the door, first in line, first to order at a restaurant, first to be considered for a job (white women) first as choice for most races of men (white women)….

    So yes, we have a very good reason for wanting to be “pretty” and being obsessed about it. It’s pretty much a totally free ride through life. Wouldn’t you do the same?

    Again, sometimes the most simple of logic is lost on you guys.

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  186. I’ve always believed that only Beta losers make a habit of going to strip clubs or seeing prostitutes.

    Why pay a woman money to take her clothes off when most of them will do it for free?

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  187. LR presents her version of a popular feminist meme. “Now women get to pick guys based on looks!!! So there!.”
    It is obvious why it feels gratifying to a woman to fondle that notion. It feels like a form of getting even for their own daily stress and humiliation that comes from being so aware just how much they depend on hottness to get anywhere in life.
    Females enjoy believing this. Let them. Reality does not change because they do nor does it influence how they behave., since they appear to act in the mating game without self awareness.
    In guyland, one cannot be deluded and get anywhere.
    Smart guys know to stay in shape. But looks are pretty constant for a guy and success with women varies drastically depending on ones game. A little social proof and alpha behaviour really opens what was previously closed about 50 times better than looks.
    But LR would rather get a emotional high off a delusion than deal with reality. For youngish women, that is an option. For a little while.

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  188. on November 14, 2009 at 8:22 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Ummm I hope this girl has NO idea that you have her photo on here and if she does and is cool with it, she’s a whore.

    Even a “dirty-stripper-whore” like myself has never and would never let a man have ANY compromising photos of me (at least not ones that PROVE it’s me in the pictures).

    What woman doesn’t immediately question a guy who says “hey I just want a picture of your face immediately after having sex for no apparent reason”?????

    Omg, and you guys say I’m the one who’s “too liberal”

    That same “older guy” (I think he was 34 or something) that acted like he was my bf after ONE date also thought I was going to send him “nudie pics” or “just some sexy ones” and when I repeatedly laughed at him and told him that I’d never be dumb enough to do that, he STILL acted indignant and offended!

    “you don’t trust me!” he shrieked.

    Duh, of course I don’t. I never spoke to him again for requesting something so creepy and thinking he’d get it.

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  189. UgSlayer says, “To anony: You can’t control who your daughter fucks once she reaches the age of 18. The more you control, the more she will rebel. The truth is, she will get fucked, and probably pumped and dumped, unless she is a fat troll. It’s a fact of life. If you can’t handle it, I strongly suggest you start learning now, for your own mental health.”

    You can’t really control who your daughter screws and who she doesn’t much younger than that. However, if you tell them the truth about life, there is usually very little pumping and dumping going on outside of a legit hippy context. Worst case, she’ll hook up with a group of freaks and sexually experiment for a couple of years until she’s either over it or ends up married to or cohabiting with one of the group.

    Pumped and dumped is something that happens to women who expect more than this from men who don’t love them. If they don’t then they have equal share in whatever sexual “exploitation” happens in that situation. The only difference is that maybe the male is fooled into thinking he means more to her than he does.

    You don’t pump and dump a benevolent, honest slut any more than you pump and dump a prostitute. It’s a mutually beneficial transaction.

    You can however, con a girl into believing you care over time and then dump her. I feel that it’s my job as a parent to prevent those situations by being honest about any misgivings I have about a particular choice of partner, and even if they don’t heed my warnings and get burned, the guy is at least eating some concrete.

    It’s only fair. I don’t have a problem with double standards when it’s personal, and not just business or just shagging.

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  190. Being a decent looking guy, I get enough AIs that I could survive with few droughts, gaming just those girls gesturing an AI.

    Knowing that real game comes from approaching and closing a girl who initially had no interest in you in the first place, I make a conscious effort to avoid AI closes and try for the “disinterested” girls first.

    I have thought about when I get older how game will work. It is my belief that girls of all ages have a sense of pride dating guys significantly older than them. One difference would be your venues. As a 45 year old guy, your best bet might not be to go to a college bar where girls are grouped together, and they know they are getting judged by others. Those girls are feasible, but you have to meet them in other places…

    I see myself working the nicer, upscale lounges more often when I am older. I occasionally do that now just to switch it up. The girls at these lounges are generally better looking and are not getting bombarded by drunk guys, so their bitch shield is not raised as high. They are more approachable, but harder to close. Since they are usually good looking, and surround themselves with money, it puts your game to the test. I feel as though these are the type of girls Mystery focuses on the most in his books. DHV, negs and the structure of the phases he breaks down is built around hitting on attractive girls who may come off as bitchy. It still applies to girls less attractive, but you have to water down the process a bit with the negs for example….

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  191. Why pay a woman money to take her clothes off when most of them will do it for free?

    To bang 9’s and 10’s

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  192. Who the hell snapped this picture? Her mother?

    [editor: self-timer.]

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  193. I’ve always believed that only Beta losers make a habit of going to strip clubs or seeing prostitutes.

    Why pay a woman money to take her clothes off when most of them will do it for free?
    ===

    The same reason we pay money for food, cars, tax return prep, and haircuts.

    Because it takes just a bit of skill to get, so we begrudgen the Jews some gold & silver out of our pockets now & then.

    Hell if I was really sociable, I’d have mega parties in my house, but I’m naturally shy so I hafta go to a dive to see a bunch of people having fun

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  194. “I’ve told you all before that if as a gender you would STOP being so openly obsessed with sex and women, the ladies would no longer have any power over you.”

    Actually, that’s what I’ve been doing. It’s working rather well, especially when it comes to avoiding women like YOU.

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  195. Some women crave attention more than they do cock.

    This is important so it bears repeating:

    SOME WOMEN CRAVE ATTENTION MORE THAN THEY DO COCK

    Be aware.

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  196. on November 14, 2009 at 8:36 pm personal trainer

    ATC

    Im in my mid 40s and my current date is 25 and an easy 8 1/2. I told her I was 36 and that worked for her. If she knew my real age at this point in our relationship, she would be gone.If she is worthy in a few weeks, it wont matter to her. Been there, done that. Why suffer if you work ur ass off and look 30s? She tells me I look young (for 36) and asked me to recently do a dinner party for her family.

    Sure she is young, on anti depressants and a hypochondriac but when she got drunk and crashed in my bed last night she woke up to find me in another room, her clothes on and me asking her to leave as I was off to an appointment. Im re-learning the alpha game, You have to train them right.

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  197. Thats cuz their psyche is better validated by attention, rather by cock.

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  198. Beta fails jumbotron test: http://guestofaguest.com/news/breaking/breaking-the-email-scandal-that-just-shook-cornells-campus/

    This guy accidentally sent a long email thread between him and his mistress to the whole campus. It’s pretty laughable though, she says sexy things to him and he says stuff like, “Oh, I can DEFINITELY help with that baby!!”. Oh and they’re both really ugly.

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  199. Multiple choice quiz: why does Wendy Schwartz foam at the mouth over the fact that men like to look at and fuck pretty women?

    A) She hates men because a relative or family friend molested her as a child.

    B) She hates men because she dates abusive trash, yet she can’t own up to the fact that it’s her choices which lead her to date abusive trash.

    C) She remains a career stripper (or perhaps hooker) who is being upstaged by much younger and prettier girls, and she hates herself because she has to let fat old men molest her to support her bastard child.

    D) She is older than she claims, slamming head first into the wall, and slowly realizing that what little sexual power she once held (she does not have a pretty face and therefore never ranked above a 6.5) is rapidly slipping away.

    E) All of the above.

    I can’t stand her, but reading her fantasy description of “arm candy” was so pathetic that even I started feeling sorry for her. Her career lies have been silly, but “Eric” is just a sad, sad low point even for her.

    But my sympathy is misplaced. It’s her son who is going to need help. It cannot be healthy to grow up with a mom who is so twisted and full of self hatred that she barks like a rabid dog when discussing men and male sexuality.

    Wendy Schwartz: for the sake of your poor child, seek help.

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  200. Does anybody believe that LadyDrain is actually 28 years old?

    This old bat is past her prime and should consider herself lucky if guys in their 40s show any interest in her.

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  201. “Why pay a woman money to take her clothes off when most of them will do it for free?

    To bang 9’s and 10’s”

    Most strippers are not 9’s and 10’s, unless they are at Scores, Spearmint Rhino, or Cheetah’s or other top places in LA, Miami, NYC, Vegas. The lighting helps a great deal in removing blemishes and making girls look better. The average stripper is a 6 or 7. The fact that they fulfill a delusional fantasy for betas makes them rate higher in the eyes of the beta, in my opinion. I’m in a relationship now, but I used to see and fuck girls a lot better looking in clubs and bars every weekend. But I also live in a big city environment with a college packed with some of the hottest girls in the nation.

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  202. on November 14, 2009 at 11:08 pm personal trainer

    F. She was born without a cock.

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  203. Wendy Schwartz I’m not sure if I’d even fuck you after a 12-pack. I’m guessing this holds for most guys here. Please stop flattering yourself. It’s sad. Women except the most grotesque can find a man to pump some cum into them. It’s not something to be proud of.

    I’m in NYC now, and I get NO looks whatsoever. I’m not an unattractive or old man (31). I think it’s the nature of the beast in jaded NYC. Unlike other places I’ve been, I have to do ALL the work here.

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  204. The obsession with how roissy looks by his male commenters demonstrates the gender differences very clearly. Men who do this are still projecting on women the criteria of what they themselves would find attractive but on a woman.

    Looks do factor in to a woman’s evaluation. But not very much.

    What’s more important is things like this:

    I do hope you didn’t break her heart Roissy.

    [editor: i didn’t. i savored every second with her. it was outside circumstances that ended it.]

    Preselection, passion.

    Speaking of that, al:

    I swear, reading this website sometimes makes me want to vow to never sleep with a man again, out of fear that he is a heartless player rogue.

    or rather, reading the comments and some of the male smugness.

    Are you serious about that thought? You may also try getting to know him first, to confirm what type of person he is before sleeping with him, if that small detail actually matters to you. This should work fine if your fears aren’t irrational. Actually, if you’re in an area where playing practices are intensive: you can flip the player rule. If he’s okay with you not sleeping with him after three dates, you can be reasonably sure he’s not a heartless player rogue.

    Still, it is fairly natural for a man to exaggerate his conquests to other men, be smug/prideful about it and sanitise the extent of his emotional involvement at first glance. Most likely the ‘heartless’ impression you get is false.

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  205. Bhetti
    Did you just come off a long, brutal shift at the ED?
    Your comments routinely make pretty good sense to me. That last one did not, so I assume that a sober tomorrow morning rewrite will make things right.

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  206. DT

    I can’t stand her,

    I like reading her comments. She brings an interesting perspective. She does seem to have some serious emotional issues despite her claims of toughness and independence.

    I agree with a lot of what she says. But some of it seems like an act. She’s a lot like roissy that way.

    but reading her fantasy description of “arm candy” was so pathetic that even I started feeling sorry for her.

    Here’s her “arm candy:

    It looks more like an “arm peanut butterand jelly” sandwich.

    And I used to live in Central PA, what’s with the double ear rings and puka shells on lurch? Not a very common sight there from what I remember.

    I think we might have some kind of closet homo friend for the aging single mother.

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  207. LOL.. she is calling that “arm candy”?

    She is one delusional old woman.

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  208. Fit old guys still get approach invitations – but not in bars. Try hanging out in a tropical paradise where only the rich, the tourists, and those who serve them are to be found.

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  209. One thing is notable, when a lot of same-age guys appear immature and flaky, older guys WILL get the call, even with women who have options.

    Chelsea Handler is rich, attractive, and dating a guy nearly 20 years older. Why? Largely I suspect because he does not react to her “always on” persona and has status-power to match hers. [Guys her age don’t have it.]

    Various actresses date guys 10-15 years older than they are, some even older (then 17 year old Evan Rachel Wood with 39 year old Marilyn Manson). Because the guys their age are immature and lack the same power/status levels as they do. Hillary Duff at 17 told Jay Leno it was the reason she dated a guy (some rock guy) who was 15 years older.

    Women are hypergamous, and thus will almost always trade up to more power even if it means more age on a guy. There are limits, of course. But there is no reason a 35 year old guy in decent shape who has lots of power cannot score a 22 year old. Heck DC is filled with guys in their forties banging interns that age. Chandra Levy comes to mind. So does Monica Lewinsky (proof Clinton was always up for rolling a fat one).

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  210. on November 15, 2009 at 4:03 am unlearning genius

    @Willard Libby,

    “I agree with a lot of what she says. But some of it seems like an act. She’s a lot like roissy that way.”

    She doesn’t really say much. It is just an attempt to appear tough, independent and in control .. all of which are so clearly not the case. For women who were more respectful of reality, the transition into middle age would be smooth and joyous ..but for the deluded .. it is so harsh …

    She isn’t similar to roissy at all. Sure roissy is insecure, but most of us probably are in some way or the other .. but he is clearly not deluded ..

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  211. Rum: No, didn’t just finish at the ED in that instance. That was a bit rushed and I did hit my head. Judging by disturbed sleep patterns and lack of coherency there, the head injury was worse than I’d imagined.

    The rewrite
    1. Looks do not matter that much to women.
    2. Al, the key to avoiding heartless rogue players is simple. Don’t be an indiscriminate slut.

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  212. Bhetti

    Sure.
    Guys learn how little looks matter to women the day they get awarded some large external validation, like making partner in a firm, or acceptance to professional school and – Bang! – instantly they get a different kind of glance from attractive females. It was not the guys looks looks that changed in a few seconds.
    Learning some game teaches the same lesson, albeit more gradually and less unmistakably. Gamestering normally involves a fashion make-over whereas sudden Social-Promotions do not.
    I suspect many young women have similar experiences when they go from chunky to sleek.
    “So that is what they want!”

    One effect of female modestly and non-slutty behaviour is that guys have less data regarding feral female sexual instincts.
    Everytime a “liberated” young woman goes home with a tatooed thug for the fun of it – that is not merely a private jaunt, it is also a lesson taught to the other young men.
    Traditional cultures that emphasized

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  213. Delete last phrase.

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  214. Whoa….

    Looking at LR’s “arm candy”:

    The guys does seem overall good-looking but his nose is the opposite of LRs – the nasolabial angle is too big. He has a chick nose and she has a guy nose. They should take his nose and put it on her.

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  215. I find the bashing of her boyfriend to be unfounded. After all, he’s just fucking her. Right now, she’s the best he can do. Give the guy a break. He’ll smarten up.

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  216. Another tip, if you are a 35+ guy who wants to date women in their early 20s, avoid dating sites, unless you are OK with lying about your age.

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  217. Who uses dating sites? I would never use a dating site unless I worked so much I would have to. Then I would use something like establishedmen.com and seekingarrangement.com. I would resume gaming, not spend a dime, pump, then dump and repeat.

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  218. “Guys learn how little looks matter to women the day they get awarded some large external validation, like making partner in a firm, or acceptance to professional school and – Bang! – instantly they get a different kind of glance from attractive females. ”

    That was exactly my experience 100%. When I got into law school, everything changed and it didn’t seem to matter that I was no longer in the great shape I was in as a high school track star.

    Just the other day, I was on the subway and wearing a suit and tie since I was going to court. A pretty girl in her 20s turned, looked at me, did a double-take, and then started talking to me.

    Things like that never happened to me 15 or 20 years ago when I was in peak physical shape.

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  219. My birthday is this week (November 19) and I’m turning 29 and YES I cannot WAIT to actually grow older and older and FINALLY be treated as a human (and not a piece of ass). It makes my stomach turn when men look at me or try to date me because I know that anything involving men and sex with men denotes me either

    1. Losing money and maybe having to pay some douchebag’s bills

    2. A guy wanting babies or marriage (both are out of the question of course)

    3. Some dude living in my home and wanting sex and “us time” which is something I wish could be left to the pros (hookers and escorts).

    I’ve told you all before that if as a gender you would STOP being so openly obsessed with sex and women, the ladies would no longer have any power over you.

    You do it to YOURSELVES. Women do not put on make up and dress nice or stay in shape to “attract men”. ANY woman can land a man. We do it because pretty women are treated better by society as a whole. Men, Women, Children, Employers, Judges, Lawyers, the Grocery Store Clerk……EVERYONE.

    We don’t WANT your attention, your penis, or anything else. You mean are seriously never satisfied. We finally are at a place where we want NOTHING from you and just want you to go fuck hookers and do your own thing and even THAT isn’t good enough for you. Demanding much?

    -Wendy Schwartz

    Is this a parody? If not, you are the stereotype of the hate-filled feminist she-beast made flesh.

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  220. on November 15, 2009 at 1:50 pm Wendy Schwartz

    DT–

    Multiple choice quiz: why does Wendy Schwartz foam at the mouth over the fact that men like to look at and fuck pretty women?

    A) She hates men because a relative or family friend molested her as a child.

    B) She hates men because she dates abusive trash, yet she can’t own up to the fact that it’s her choices which lead her to date abusive trash.

    C) She remains a career stripper (or perhaps hooker) who is being upstaged by much younger and prettier girls, and she hates herself because she has to let fat old men molest her to support her bastard child.

    D) She is older than she claims, slamming head first into the wall, and slowly realizing that what little sexual power she once held (she does not have a pretty face and therefore never ranked above a 6.5) is rapidly slipping away.

    E) All of the above.

    I can’t stand her, but reading her fantasy description of “arm candy” was so pathetic that even I started feeling sorry for her. Her career lies have been silly, but “Eric” is just a sad, sad low point even for her.

    But my sympathy is misplaced. It’s her son who is going to need help. It cannot be healthy to grow up with a mom who is so twisted and full of self hatred that she barks like a rabid dog when discussing men and male sexuality.

    Wendy Schwartz: for the sake of your poor child, seek help.

    I am always happy to answer all of these since none are the right answer….(and thank you, DT for being just one step away from being as irrational, paranoid, and ridiculous as Whiskey)

    A. Actually I have never been molested, raped, or anything “creepy and sexual”. My parents are still happily married, religious, and have (allegedly) only ever had sex with eachother. I adore my father and we have an excellent relationship. I tolerate my mother even though she is an intellectual….well….dullard. We have big family picnics and I live about 6 minutes from them. My family is about as interesting as watching “7th Heaven” reruns

    B. I dated ONE man who was “abusive trash”. That was over 7 years ago. I never ran into that particular issue again, and never once blamed anyone but myself for picking a “bad seed”. However, I have corrected that mistake and eradicated him from my son’s life and consequently have no remorse for “making a bad choice almost 10 years ago”.

    C. This one was the best: “she remains a CAREER stripper and hooker”? I have been a CNC Programmer for about 7 years now. I danced once for a period of 8 months. I stopped danced as soon as I got a new job (in my field).

    I don’t know how you made any sort of connection between 8 months as a stripper = prostitute and career stripper, but it goes to show what a retard you are. I worked at a “no touch” club that closes at midnight and serves NO alcohol. Every customer is watched on live video by the bouncer even when receiving a lap dance. I only got “grabbed” once and I broke his nose because the bouncer wasn’t fast enough. The club had him arrested for harassment and assault (which was there policy for ANY customer that touched a dancer. They didn’t mess around there. You were held at the front door until the officers came to take you away and the dancer was REQUIRED to file official assault charges on said customer.)

    Nice try on that one, though.

    D. I am, indeed 28 (but 29 on November 19th) have no reason to lie about my age. Whatever your ranking is of me doesn’t really change the fact that I have NEVER been turned down, rejected, or not gotten what I want in my entire life. I am very lucky and don’t particularly care WHAT the reason is for that as long as it continues (and thus far definitely has). I at no point thought of myself as a beauty queen or “supermodel” however I have never had an “ugly” day in my life, so feel free to fling as many “gross, old, ugly, transvestite, whoring, blah blah”….

    ….because as we all learned as little kids….people don’t insult you randomly unless they are jealous of you and threatened by you. Every insult truly IS a compliment. (Which I dare say is probably the mindset our notorious host, Roissy impliments.)

    “There’s no such thing as BAD publicity” eh, R?

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  221. on November 15, 2009 at 1:56 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Mike Hubbard–

    Actually, that IS the way I feel about 95% of men. However, please don’t put me anywhere NEAR Feminists in thinking or lifestyle.

    I hate women, think most deserve being treated as the dullards they are, have NO interest in being “a voice for the sisters” nor do I wish to see men completely disappear (even though SOMETIMES I have fleeting thoughts of such).

    If men disappeared, I would lose at least 60% of my hold on the world. I’m not stupid enough to think that people do what I want “because I’m a assertive woman”. They do what I want because I can morph into whatever I want and charm anyone that I speak to. If men disappeared I’d be stuck with a bunch of emotional trainwrecks that watch Lifetime, read Romance Novels, and talk about ovaries all day.

    Call me a cunt, a bitch, a whore, or anything else you can muster for your hatred….but I’m not a Feminist. If anything….I’m a “Wendyist”.

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  222. on November 15, 2009 at 2:00 pm Wendy Schwartz

    Marcus and Willard–

    Well you’re both right. I live right outside of Quakertown, PA (not in Allentown like he seems to think for some reason).

    However, Philly is still like 1 1/2 from me so it’s def not “just outside of Philly” but even further from “Central PA”.

    Soooo technically you’re both wrong, lol. (PS Willard, there aren’t really anything other than Whites and Asians here, so White Guys usually go any route that is NOT “whiteboy ghetto” *shudders* around here).

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  223. Suits. Well-fitted, hot suits. (And, okay, building the broad shoulders to really work that angle if you don’t want to do things by half-measures).

    Does nobody ever listen to G Manifesto?

    Who was it that talked about The Shark? Which trader sold that one again?

    Still, if you opt for suits. Beware of the gold digger.

    Rum could possibly get away with sporting a white labcoat. A purple stethoscope if he wants to peacock. He’ll make sure to have some blood on the otherwise pristine white fabric to give the primitive dangerous badboy look.

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  224. Sabril, girls probably didn’t care you ran fast or had a low pulse in high school. Almost all girls like average muscled guys or bigger, and most high school runners look small and immature. So even if you can’t run as well you’d probably be judged in better shape than in high school if you’re bigger and stronger, because part of having good health and being dominant is being able to maintain a certain muscle mass and size, and (young) runners often look too small.

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  225. on November 15, 2009 at 1:34 pm Marcus Aureliette

    And I used to live in Central PA, what’s with the double ear rings and puka shells on lurch? Not a very common sight there from what I remember.

    Willard, where LR lives is far closer to being a suburb of Philadelphia than it is to Central PA.

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  226. Wendy Schwartz has repeatedly denied being a femnist. Anyway, few feminists ever wrote about men in general as nastily as she does in this passage. Oh, there have been exceptions, feminists who were clearly possessed from the start by hatred of men, but even so, most feminists believed that liberation for women would lead to liberation for men as well. And it has, too, in a way, though not the way that they or anyone else anticipated.

    The wacky post-modern feminists one encounters today on campus don’t much resemble those of the 1970s or even the 1980s.

    p.s. I don’t really have a dog in this fight because feminists have generally refused to consider me to be one of them.

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  227. “Women do not put on make up and dress nice or stay in shape to “attract men”. ANY woman can land a man. We do it because pretty women are treated better by society as a whole. Men, Women, Children, Employers, Judges, Lawyers, the Grocery Store Clerk……EVERYONE”

    Women pay most attention to looks/dress when at a bar/nightclub and trying to attract men. So it has very little to do with being treated better by society (men are also treated better by society if they are nice looking and well dressed).

    “I’ve told you all before that if as a gender you would STOP being so openly obsessed with sex and women, the ladies would no longer have any power over you.”

    This is mostly genetic so not a lot we can do about it. But women have the same genetic compulsions (though they manifest themselves in different ways). The best way for men to have control over women is to game them before they game us.

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  228. Wendy Schwartz,
    I wasn’t referring to your makeup when I suggested a chemical peel. I was referring to the highly visible craters on your upper cheeks and overall horrible complexion, especially near your chin. When I say lipo, I mean your double chin, upper arms, and inner thighs. I think cardio 4 times a week and a light weights routine added in twice a week with a modified diet could help with your midsection and backfat, but ultimately, you would probably need some kind of lipo to achieve optimal results.

    I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. In the “Lady’s Pics” section of your blog, you come across as a 6. It’s easy to tell by the photos on your blog entry on 10-27-09, especially the halloween ones, that you are currently on an exponential decline in the looks department. Most probably in the attitude department as well.

    I’m just trying to help you out. Stop eating cookies and ice cream, and follow the advice in the first paragraph of this post, and maybe you can hold onto your average looks for a couple more months.

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  229. “Almost all girls like average muscled guys or bigger, and most high school runners look small and immature. ”

    FWIW I never looked small in the sense of skinny or scrawny. Between the ages of 16 and 20, I just looked extremely fit, i.e. strong but lean. 20 years later, I am still strong but with a bit of a spare tire. I would definitely look better if I lost 20 or 30 pounds.

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  230. ““Guys learn how little looks matter to women the day they get awarded some large external validation, like making partner in a firm, or acceptance to professional school and – Bang! – instantly they get a different kind of glance from attractive females. ”

    That was exactly my experience 100%. When I got into law school, everything changed and it didn’t seem to matter that I was no longer in the great shape I was in as a high school track star.

    Just the other day, I was on the subway and wearing a suit and tie since I was going to court. A pretty girl in her 20s turned, looked at me, did a double-take, and then started talking to me.

    Things like that never happened to me 15 or 20 years ago when I was in peak physical shape.”

    5 years ago at the age of 39, I recieved a promotion at work. I went from a civil service mechanics job to a management/technical position. Since now I have to attend meeting with upper management people, I bought myself a new wardrobe. I also work out everyday so I look good for my age. I get lots of glances from women, even a few times some unsolicited phone numbers. A middle aged guy who is fit and dresses well is going to stand out.

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  231. “Women pay most attention to looks/dress when at a bar/nightclub and trying to attract men. So it has very little to do with being treated better by society (men are also treated better by society if they are nice looking and well dressed).”

    Women also dress up to impress/intimidate other women. Even on occasions when a woman is not seeking to hook up with a man, they want to demonstrate that they “could have” that man if they wanted to.

    Never forget that there is lots of competition among women for alpha males.

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  232. @Wendy Schwartz
    ‘Actually, that IS the way I feel about 95% of men. However, please don’t put me anywhere NEAR Feminists in thinking or lifestyle.

    I hate women, think most deserve being treated as the dullards they are, have NO interest in being “a voice for the sisters” nor do I wish to see men completely disappear (even though SOMETIMES I have fleeting thoughts of such).

    If men disappeared, I would lose at least 60% of my hold on the world.’

    So…you are a misanthrope? And in your world men are just “useful idiots”?

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  233. on November 15, 2009 at 3:58 pm Marcus Aureliette

    However, Philly is still like 1 1/2 from me so it’s def not “just outside of Philly” but even further from “Central PA”.

    Soooo technically you’re both wrong, lol.

    You basically just restated what I said, yet call me out as being wrong. Fascinating.

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  234. on November 15, 2009 at 4:20 pm msexceptiontotherule

    “fedrz said 1 day ago:
    Hey, pick a country next to mine!”

    If you’re referring to my optional plan to become a dictator of some small country, I’m flattered, but I already promised that along with ninja assasin work to Gunslingergregi. I’m a woman who stays true to her word.

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  235. […] Roissy elucidates how to play the game when you get older. […]

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  236. Psssh.

    Guys wasting their time worrying about game and not seeming creepy.

    Listen, guys, I’ve got the pickup lines that will ALWAYS work, no matter what.

    I mean, really, they’re really good. And girls won’t think you’re creepy at all.

    -“Don’t move, sweetheart, I’ve got a knife in my pocket.”
    -“Does this keystone taste like roofies to you?”
    -“Does this rag smell like chloroform to you?”
    -“Hey, I live alone, let’s go back to my place where we can hear each other talk. What’s that? Oh, I’m just locking the door so you can’t es-, I mean, so no one will bother us while we’re talking!!!”

    I hope you all took notes.

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  237. @blinderzoff:

    So you just hate people?

    GREAT LIFE PHILOSOPHY RIGHT THAR.

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  238. Guys, you’re going at this all wrong. Suppose you see an attractive woman in place X and you throw a comment of any sort at her. Three things can happen.

    Case A: She likes it, this is good. She returns a look and a smile or something similar, and most of the time everyone goes on because that’s all there was to it, just a pleasant quick exchange.

    Case B: She gets bent out of shape and furious that you (for whatever reason you’re you, and not a superalpha with big bucks and a killer smile) said something to her. This is good too, you’ve just fueled the eternal flames of hate hate hate of another bitch, and she’ll be seething about it for a variable amount of time and bringing it up as example in internet forums everywhere. You’ve done men (and non Case B women) everywhere a favour. Pat yourself on the back.

    Case C: Nothing happens at all. Undeterred, life goes on and the planet keeps spinning.

    Case A is surprisingly common, more common than Case B women would like to think. Case B is less common than they themselves would like to think, too. Case C is by far the most common. Although really, the frequency of the cases is irrelevant.

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  239. Wow, Wendy Schwartz looks at LEAST upper 40s or into 50s.

    I mean seriously, cmon, its halloween the chance to slut up and best play the assets you have and hide the horrible…. the best she can come up with is this???

    She looks like an aborted baby between:
    edward scissorhands and
    hitler and
    the fat clown from SPAWN.

    ugh.

    No wonder shes dried up and bitter and copious with her complaints to roissy!

    (BTW, for so many more great posts – I and all my lurker pals thank you Roissy!)

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  240. I am 40 years old , haven’t married and no kids.
    Let me tell you , once you get over the age of 35 alot changes when it comes to women.

    By the age of 35 , you are confronted by a clusterfuck of divorcees (with and without kids) , single mothers , messed up women that were thrown onto the not to be married scrapheap and batshit crazy bitches that are only good for a fuck and dump one night stand.

    The percentage of decent, attractive and eligible women that are +35 is tiny.

    Ugly but its true.

    It’s no wonder than older men try to still game younger women.

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  241. Law school doesn’t seem to impress any women here in NYC. I guess it’s because every girl here is a lawyer or has a sister/cousin/friend who’s one.

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  242. Bhetti!

    DX?

    Yes, it’s me.

    Mr. C,

    I’d marry you.

    I’m sick of creepy fratguys hitting on me, weird guys asking me out on dates (“Here, lemme cook dinner for you, come step into the kitchen with me, I always cook better with an attractive woman standing next to me”).

    It’s been, what, two months of college, and I’m considering locking myself in my dorm room for good.

    @[email protected]

    @Jack,

    I feel like college is becoming normal for a lot of people. Since so many people nowadays are going to college and getting degrees. Med School still gets a lot of respect though.

    I don’t know a lot about law school, but I’d say it still merits plenty of respect. Just that, like you said, there are a lot of lawyers where you live.

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  243. Lady Rain used to show her ass in a strip club. Men did like that and she built this illusion that it happened because she is pretty.
    What she has not realized is that drunk men like any stripper’s ass. Outside the club, no one would even look at her.
    Maybe she got some white trash lover, omega level, but so what? Wake up, you look like a tranny.

    Back to the subject: most guys under 20 are average looking. It is age that will separate the ugly from the handsome. Ugly and old is creepy, old and handsome is lots of pussy. Women love mature, handsome, sophisticated men.

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  244. Hey Mandy – hope you have been well.

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  245. Hey Maurice.

    I’ve been better.

    But I’ve been worse too.

    So I’m grateful for that.

    Thanks.

    I’d ask you how you’ve been, but I don’t want Roissy to upset over private convos on his blog. At the same time, I feel as though all anyone is doing is taking turns bashing LR. I haven’t seen THAT before.

    [editor: if lr didn’t secretly enjoy the bashing she wouldn’t post such inane comments.]

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  246. Mandy! xD

    It’s been, what, two months of college, and I’m considering locking myself in my dorm room for good.

    Ever consider a nice swim back to Cuba?

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  247. Should a fit man in his 30s or 40s, who can pass for much younger, really abandon clubs altogether as is being proposed here? Specially if he is looking for a same night lay?

    After all, the club atmosphere with the dark lights and drunken girls will work in his favour as well. I agree with avoiding college pubs and bars. But, nightclubs in general? Not all older men are created equal.

    [editor: good point. answer: no. there’s no need for a man of whatever age to give up on clubs until he has ceased getting any nibbles at all.]

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  248. Whenever Roissy leaves one of his editor comments, I get this strange feeling.

    Sort of like God is watching.

    [editor: perceptive girl.]

    Willard:

    I have this theory that if everyone were to ignore you, you’d magically stop posting.

    Kind of like that shreaking five-year-old in a grocery store.

    [amusingly, this can be said for half the internet.]

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  249. on November 15, 2009 at 8:16 pm Personal trainer

    By the age of 35 , you are confronted by a clusterfuck of divorcees (with and without kids) , single mothers , messed up women that were thrown onto the not to be married scrapheap and batshit crazy bitches that are only good for a fuck and dump one night stand.

    Mr. C

    You just described the last 10 years of my life post divorce. Exactly why Im dating a 25yr old spinner.

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  250. SmartDuck–

    “Wendy Schwartz used to show her ass in a strip club. Men did like that and she built this illusion that it happened because she is pretty.
    What she has not realized is that drunk men like any stripper’s ass. “

    OMG are fucking serious???? No one ever told me that the guys that go to strip clubs are desperate and pathetic losers who would put their dick in anything with pulse!!!! The hell you say, sir!!

    I am not someone who finds stripping “empowering” as a woman, nor do I find it shameful or embarrassing. I’ll explain this one more time as simply as I can: I don’t care WHY the men are handing me money…..I don’t care WHAT they do or do not remember about me as a dancer….I don’t derive any pleasure or disdain from a customer’s opinion of me, whether physically or otherwise.

    I don’t expect them to consider me a “human” anymore than I consider THEM a “human”. It’s a business. A job. I care that they don’t touch me, follow the rules, and pay for the dance as is understood.

    If a surgeon had a fucking meltdown everytime they lost a patient, guess what? They’d be a hot mess.

    Same goes for strippers. The moment you give a fuck about a customer, give a fuck about the other dancers, or make “friends” associated with the club…..

    You’re a hot mess too.

    I found it to be a well-paying job. You go to work, you come home, you pay your bills, and continue life as usual. The moment you “live a stripper’s lifestyle, you’ve got probs. I’m far too intelligent for that. See, I lived an entire life outside of those 8 months, I’m seriously tired of that particular weak-ass argument.

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  251. “This is mostly genetic so not a lot we can do about it. But women have the same genetic compulsions (though they manifest themselves in different ways). The best way for men to have control over women is to game them before they game us.”

    No, Kendall. Look to crime for your answers to what each gender’s “weakness” is (meaning something that they are obsessed with and lose their fucking minds if they are without).

    Historically, when men commit horrible crimes like mass-murders, serial-killings, serial-rape/homicide, rape, child-molestation….etc. it is ALWAYS relating to sex. Sure, it’s a roundabout thing sometimes….but it always comes back to being “weird sex issues/not getting sex/and stuff relating to sex” for the male gender.

    On the flip side, the (few) female serial killers, violent offenders, and even murdering their own children it almost always come back to MONEY. “Not having enough/having it taken/wanting more and more/the man-stealing whore has my money” is usually attached to those similar “heinous crimes” on the female side. (Even when a woman murders her husband without remorse it’s because her house isn’t as big as the Jones’s, her kids aren’t as brilliant and educated, her house is older and smaller than……etc.) still comes back to MONEY.

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  252. Okay, clearly there’s still some people here that don’t understand the concept of “self-esteem”. I never claimed to be beautiful, perfect, riddled with muscles, ageless, dewy, unique, petite, or anything else.

    Why is it hard to comprehend that I’m totally aware of what I am NOT (which is pretty much all of the above listed) and I’m STILL happy with my looks and feel completely confident in them.

    I don’t see why that is so “delusional and unimaginable” to some of you people.

    (Also, UgSlayer you really are ridiculous and any woman my size who actually CONSIDERED liposuction and a diet has some seriously-sad body issues.)

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  253. Shut the fuck up Wendy Schwartz , women like you are just smart enough to try and impress us with their vocabulary but stupid enough to think that anyone really cares what they think.

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  254. Betti said:

    “(And, okay, building the broad shoulders to really work that angle if you don’t want to do things by half-measures)”

    “building” broad shoulders is hard, if not impossible to do. Lateral arm raises, etc… do target the deltoids but it is really mostly skeletal structure that women are attracted to. You can only do so much to increase the breadth of your shoulders. Men might be better off trying to trim their waste if they can since it is really the shoulder:waist _ratio_ that turns women on rather than the shoulder width itself.

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  255. What most young women dont know or don’t realise is that 100 years ago or more , they would have been married off well before their mid 20s to a man double their age, AND they and their families would have been gratefull for it.

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  256. on November 16, 2009 at 1:29 am Wendy Schwartz

    *Omg….lol….is it Christmas Morning? No, seriously is it?*

    Mr. C–

    “Shut the fuck up Wendy Schwartz , women like you are just smart enough to try and impress us with their vocabulary”

    No, see…being what we call “good at words” is a product of decent reading skills and a basic understanding of the English language. I didn’t mean to “put on airs” and confuse you. My apologies.

    Judging by the way you clearly kept your cool (giggling) I’d guess that you have plenty of ….errr…. “down-time” to meet a nice woman who isn’t just trying to impress you with her hot-ass vocab skills like I am.

    but stupid enough to think that anyone really cares what they think.

    Well, technically the very fact that you posted that comment proves the opposite, now doesn’t it?

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  257. @ Mr. C:

    “What most young women dont know or don’t realise is that 100 years ago or more , they would have been married off well before their mid 20s to a man double their age, AND they and their families would have been gratefull for it.”

    Exactly.

    The other day I found out that someone in a religious organization I belong to on campus proposed to his girlfriend. A girl I know told me it was weird, because a couple of 20 year olds were getting married, and that was almost us, and she kept saying that she wouldn’t want to get married at that age.

    Is it wrong that I wouldn’t mind marrying young if I found the one?

    The irony is, that the girl who was saying that isn’t even a slut who wants to play the field like you’d think. In fact, and this is the sad part, hardly any guy will ask her out or show interest in her. The one guy who did was a jerk who said he’d choose her over anotehr girl because she seemed “easier to date.” (she was low hanging fruit to him, I guess).

    Most people don’t want to marry young. Or have relationships. I feel so conservative compared to my entire campus. And I’m not that conservative. I don’t think.

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  258. Wendy Schwartz said:
    (Also, UgSlayer you really are ridiculous and any woman my size who actually CONSIDERED liposuction and a diet has some seriously-sad body issues.)

    I reply: You are delusional

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  259. Is lying about your age an acceptable part of the game? I could see evading the question or trying not to bring it up at all, but isn’t a blatant lie about one’s age a shitty thing to do? I’d probably be pissed if I was dating a girl and then she later told me that she was 5 years older than she previously claimed to be.

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  260. ”””””””””’And you cannot tell me that you thought for even ONE second that strippers think of their customers as ANYTHING other than pathetic, lonely losers who are easy to manipulate. That’s our JOB. You only know the outside, lol…do you honestly think that ANY dancer has ever thought of her job as “sexual” or “a turn on”?????

    We tell eachother which dude is the most pathetic and easiest to game…..the girls work TOGETHER against men….no we are not grateful to them, respect them, or feel any sort of remorse for their (stupidity) in handing us money JUST to watch us dance.
    ”””””””””””’

    lol the 6 strippers I either fucked or had suck my dick says otherwise.

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  261. Mandy! xD

    Willard:

    I have this theory….

    Wait everybody, Mandy has a theory. Mandy the Teenage Philosopher! Awww, how cute. Widdle Mandy has put that little hampster on the wheel in her head to work and came upon a “theory”.

    Let’s all find out what it is shall we……..

    ……that if everyone were to ignore you, you’d magically stop posting.

    ……………….oooooooooo, so much hope, so much anticipation. Bit of a let down.

    I feel like Mandy’s first sex partner 20 years from now when he finally gets to peal off all her clothes.

    Kind of like that shreaking five-year-old in a grocery store.

    Look, Mandy’s family on vacation.

    Old habits die hard.

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  262. she seemed “easier to date.”

    I love when girls rationalyze the ugliest truths in some cute way. Just like when another girl said her friend wasn´t fat, she just had “tender skin”

    , Mandy’s family on vacation.

    I know I should be white-knighting for Mandy, but I can´t stop laughing from Willard´s jihad against our Cuban teen.

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  263. ””””””msexceptiontotherule
    “fedrz said 1 day ago:
    Hey, pick a country next to mine!”

    If you’re referring to my optional plan to become a dictator of some small country, I’m flattered, but I already promised that along with ninja assasin work to Gunslingergregi. I’m a woman who stays true to her word.
    ”””””””””””

    I’d also like to reserve taking over the world and creating a utopia.

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  264. “Oh, thanks Roissy. Way to encourage creepy, unattractive old guys to bother women even MORE at random public places.

    Yeah, nothing turns us on like a 45 year old that lurks at the grocery store smiling and pushing around a shopping cart filled with shit he doesn’t intend on buying….”

    First, how’d LR manage to guess Roissy’s age?

    Second, contra LR, an approach by a guy almost always puts a woman more at ease than a guy staring at her from a distance. There is nothing women find creepier than a guy who looks at them from a distance and doesn’t say anything. Simply walking up and saying “hello” at least humanizes you.

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  265. @gig:

    “I love when girls rationalyze the ugliest truths in some cute way. Just like when another girl said her friend wasn´t fat, she just had “tender skin””

    He said that about her because she’s less attractive than another girl than he was interested in.

    =x

    I just didn’t want to say that because I didn’t want to sound mean. It’s like…a betrayal. You can’t really say that about your friend. It’s part of the Girl Rules. Kind of like how guys have Guy Rules. You know, don’t cockblock your friend, etc.

    “I know I should be white-knighting for Mandy, but I can´t stop laughing from Willard´s jihad against our Cuban teen.”

    You don’t have to white-knight for me. That image made me laugh a little too. Which it shouldn’t have. But it did.

    Willard’s family reunion. ^^^^

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  266. Oh shit, the commie loving whore is back!

    No doubt she’ll regale us all with how anyone who opposes her sex object hero, Shithead Nobama, is an evil racist prick who clearly is delusional.

    Note how the dumb little whore equates opposing her or Nobama with being in the Klan with her picture.

    Mandy, you silly commie whore, get raped.

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  267. Mandy, I’d love and welcome your conversation. There’s no room for it here but I would love to see you at Girl Game where we can ramble on in conversation about experiences of college or whatever thing we like (boyfriend and you no longer together then?), and so on, in a comfortable atmosphere that’s still at the periphery of the roissy schools of thought.

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  268. Miss Raine , I do believe you are acting like a “know it all” cunt.

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  269. Very relevant:

    “Somali man, ‘112’, weds girl, 17”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8331136.stm

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  270. […] Ironically, this could very well result in an explosion in your game success, because of two reasons: One, females favor the bold (and what is bolder than a man who hits on a woman like a thunderbolt from the sky ? ….. But, yeah, it ain’t no spectacular display of “game” or approaches on my part, as I am not particularly cold approaching anyone. Although, it does seem to be successful in me worming into a group of people about 2/3 of the time, and after that hurdle has …Read More […]

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