The Typical Stumbling Blocks Of A Seduction

Even though I have been running game on women for many years (it’s almost a second career for me) I still encounter the same stumbing blocks I did when I first started on my journey to mastering the art of seduction. I have made a list of the obstacles that I believe will plague any man’s game for life. The goal isn’t to eliminate these obstacles, (which cannot be done anyhow for you may as well argue that the urge to eat can be eliminated), but to manage them so that they do not hinder your game to the point of denying you success.

The Approach

Don’t listen to any PUA guru who tells you that fear of approach can be killed. It can’t. I still get it from time to time, and in varying degrees of anxiety, despite having approached hundreds, maybe thousands, of women over the whole of my life, for purposes sexual and otherwise. The fear of approaching women cold to initiate a courtship is hardwired in men, and for good reason, as a failed cold approach in the ancestral environment could have easily led to banishment from the tribe, and early death. Worse still, it could have led to incessant mockery from peers. The best way to handle approach anxiety is a paraphrase of a quote from Dune:

I must not fear approaching women. Approach anxiety is the mind-killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my approach anxiety. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my approach anxiety is at its highest, I will smile and accept my fear, and only I will remain.

Qualifying Her

I’ve seen more guys forget to qualify a girl than mess up any other part of the seduction. I can only surmise that it is anti-instinctual for a man to judge women, but instinctual for him to put himself up for judgment by women. Again, qualifying women is one of those things that goes against the circuitry of beta hardwiring. The failure to qualify cannot be eliminated — you will occasionally fail to screen your target — but it can be managed. You have to make a conscious effort to remind yourself to judge the girl you are talking with. That means saying to yourself “OK, how can this girl please me? What does she bring to the table?” before approaching her. It also means having a ready list of qualification questions to ask as part of your game, such as “Could you make me laugh? So many women think they’re funny when they aren’t.”

Isolating Her

This is another stage of game that I notice men tend to forget to do. My guess is that once a man has successfully opened a girl and is enjoying full-throttled conversation with her, he gets so wrapped up in his early forward progress that he is afraid to break the rhythm by moving the girl to an isolated location for deeper rapport. But he must do this, because deep rapport in a relatively quiet spot away from the location of the initial meet is vital to avoid later flaking. So be a leader and drag her to a new location, and if she balks then you know that your sparkling conversation with her wasn’t as sparkling as you thought it was.

Being an Asshole/Negging Her

As much as the neg is talked about as a critical component of game, you’d think it would be second nature to most aspiring PUAs. But it isn’t. There are some guys I’ve seen in the field, who despite encyclopedic knowledge of game, never remember to throw out that all-important value-lowering neg on girls who need them (i.e. hot chicks). If you can’t think on your feet, then have a couple all-purpose negs stored in your brain. I know you can do it, because you have CPU specs committed to memory, so it can’t be a stretch to remember a neg or two. Try this: “Hey you’ve got a cool sense of style… especially that 1960s retro haircut, like my Mom’s.” Or one of my all-time personal favorites: “You’re trying too hard.”

Hovering

Seductions will fail, face it. When they do, don’t hover hoping for her to have a change of heart. I still don’t know why so many men display this horribly low value behavior, but they do. Perhaps it’s a cognitive mechanism of self-delusion that spares a man’s ego from acknowledging the rejection.

Taking the Girl Home

No matter how expertly he ran his attraction and comfort game, it will all be for naught if he can’t transition to the bedroom, and sooner rather than later. This is another game foul that I observe men making in the field; they have won the girl’s attraction, got her hooked with his stories and listening ability, done everything right… and then forget or refuse to boldly move her to his pad. I know the thinking process: “Well, look, I’ve got her where I want her, so it’s just a matter of time before she’s in my bed. So it makes no sense to risk it all by pushing too hard for the fuck close right now.” This thinking is self-limiting, and often counterproductive. Getting a girl horny where she might be up for a same night lay, and then disappointing her by letting the seduction fizzle to a wimpy denouement, will cause her to reassess her positive first impressions the next day. So have an excuse handy, such as “Hey I’m thirsty. Let’s go back to my place for some delicious tap water.”

Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.





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  1. ROISSY IN THE HIZZZOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. Very important mechanics, these are.

    I think the fear of approach is the biggest Game killer. I know so many guys who know the theory of Game extremely well, but can’t do approaches, so never get the chance to practice anything else.

    The second most moral-sapping barrier is the flake. We are not accustomed to any adult flaking on any matter. Yet women do this, as they can get away with it.

    Avoiding flakes is tough, but necessary, to maintain morale.

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  3. Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

    Yeah, that’s very true. But it’s hard for a lot of guys to internalize because, as with so many things, what women say and what they actually feel on this topic are two completely different things.

    Guys think “Oh women are always saying they want to get to know a guy first, so I better just chill and show her how cool and alpha I can be,” and as you are chilling, her loins are chilling and next thing you know you are in the friend zone. You can accept failure in getting into a girl’s pants, but you cannot accept a failure to try.

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  4. ” Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.”

    And promptly avoid you if they’re anything like me.

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  5. back when i was single, i never had approach anxiety – never. as an extravert, i easily strike up conversations with strangers, even attractive female ones. my problem was always generating sexual heat, and avoiding LJBF. that’s in part what led me to the community, when i was between marriages. definitely have learned a lot since then.

    Tood is channeling Yoda today. Star Wars was yesterday’s post …!

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  6. on July 20, 2009 at 1:12 pm BasilRansom

    “Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.”

    Truth. I’m not sure I’ve ever lost a girl’s interest by going for the gold. Even if they refuse your advances, they will respect you. Even, perhaps especially, for the prude ones.*

    *It’s easy to confuse this poorly calibrated touching. Escalating too fast, given the situation, or in the wrong order may kill a seduction.

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  7. on July 20, 2009 at 1:19 pm mandy been here a while

    “Don’t listen to any PUA guru who tells you that fear of approach can be killed. It can’t.”

    What about Improve or getting involved in some activity or job that involves some public speaking? Wouldn’t that help some guys be less anxious?

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  8. re: hovering

    I think guys do it because they think the rejection will change into an acceptance. Plus it’s so hard for them to talk to a new girl in the first place that they don’t want to lose their “investment.”

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  9. Roissy

    Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

    Oh absolutely true.

    I consider it almost a duty to make an effort, presuming I’m still really attracted to the girl, regardless of how unlikely.

    Also, it often isn’t as unlikely as you think, so long as you let her know you won’t think less of her. I.e., if the chemistry’s been flowing, often the main reason good girls or trying to be good girls say no to first night sex is to keep up that image and keep you coming back. I.e it can be a struggle for her to delay, if that chemistry is flowing.

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  10. If there is karma or even an after-life roissy may it reward you with an unspeakable amount of 18yr-20yr dime pieces.

    Justice Served.

    Have you done more Apocalypse Openers on any more women roissy? What about recordings?

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  11. on July 20, 2009 at 1:31 pm Colin Bowel

    Being an asshole has worked so well for me, particularly in the past 2-3 months. And it’s further lowered my respect for women, seeing how positively they react to increasingly poor treatment.

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  12. For all the ink spilled over openers, negs, routines, theory, I think that 90% of PU can be summarized with:

    1) Talk to girls

    2) Be kind of a dick

    The rest is just placebo effects. I’ve experimented with quite a few tactics, mindsets, etc, and really I haven’t noticed much of a difference in my success rates, aside from a gradual upward trend which is just a result of experience and confidence.

    If you can get over the first stumbling block, you are already halfway between third base and home plate.

    – Zdeno

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  13. Roissy

    Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

    Amen! … with Basil’s caveat that overeager or poorly timed escalation can “scare off the bird.”

    My main problem in my teens and early 20s was an assumption that girls “want to be respected” and “don’t want to be seen as sexual objects.” I blame the afterschool specials.

    So with girls I liked, I’d pull back on my natural Game, and often lose them. With girls I was just sorta attracted to, or girls I thought were slutty or low quality, I’d be grabby and horny… causing those girls to be even more into me.

    This created a bad feedback loop that low quality girls like bold moves. Ergo high quality girls don’t.

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  14. on July 20, 2009 at 1:37 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.””””””””””’

    This should be a law or something. There should be penalties for disobeying he he he

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  15. on July 20, 2009 at 1:38 pm Gunslingergregi

    Who cares what happens as long as you got the fuck close you still got to enter the inner realm.

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  16. mandy been here a while: Public speaking doesn’t help too much on approaching women. I used to attend those speech/debate tournaments for 2 years back in high school. You just become more confortable speaking in large groups.

    But when a guy is about to approach a women he wants to fuck, then things are different.

    mandy the virgin one:And promptly avoid you if they’re anything like me.

    Its like mystery says,” She may act like a bitch, but remember sooner or later, shes going to get fucked by a guy so why can’t it be you?”

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  17. some good advice in here, so listen up, kids/hopeless betas. roissy knows.

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  18. There is nothing that can help you practice approaching women, other than actually approaching women.

    For example, there was a time when I would routinely go to the dance floor in a club, pull a hottie to dance with me, and within 60 seconds, be able to put my hands on her ass at will. They let me do it with impunity more than 50% of the time, and even when they didn’t, there were no negative repurcussions.

    YET, I still could not do daygame approaches. It should easier to talk to a woman in the daytime in a bookstore than to have your hands on her ass in a club within 60 seconds, without having even learned her name. But still, it was hard for me to do daytime approaches even while I was doing much more in clubs.

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  19. I am a 21 year old male, and last night I went out to a night club for the first time ever. I feel as if a whole new world has opened up before my eyes. I approached nearly a dozen sets using the Elvis script (I’m currently doing Mystery’s “newbie mission”) and at one point I was feeling bold and I used your “power position” opener on a table full of blonds huddled tightly together. I also had the opportunity to run Style’s Rings Routine for the first time ever. Blew this girl’s mind. There is no turning back now. My journey has officially begun. I am addicted to the game and I will achieve greatness.

    Thank you Roissy. Thank you for everything.

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  20. on July 20, 2009 at 1:52 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea if you where able to do that huck you should be able to do well. Biggest thing most guys do is not approach like roissy was saying overcoming fear.

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  21. One thing that underlies all of these is the plain ability to talk to women. To have the brain think fast enough to continually say interesting things that *women* find funny or attractive. This is the main stumbling block of the beta male. their brains default to female-unfriendly banter and jokes.

    Although it may be common sense, being aware of women’s reactions, body language, and signals women put off and the reaction to those are key as well.

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  22. Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.

    Amen to this. I’ve written at length about this and it’s absolutely true.

    You do not get points for being the nice guy. No woman every loved a man for his virtue.

    To those who say that you will lose a woman by escalating to fast:

    That’s exactly the point.

    You must be willing to lose her. This is the only way that you get better with women.

    By being willing to escalate and lose a few women, your calibration increases tenfold.

    Nice guys always default on the side of escalating too slowly. If you want to be great with women, escalating faster than you normally do is one of the risks you need to learn how to take.

    Eric

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  23. “Roissy Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.”

    Yes.

    You will lose more swoops from not trying, than for trying.

    – MPM

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  24. — One thing that underlies all of these is the plain ability to talk to women.

    It’s a function of confidence, not some kind of an ability. When I’m feeling that Mojo, it’s as though it doesn’t matter what I say. Stuff just comes out of my mouth all by itself, and the girl is liking it.

    — To have the brain think fast enough to continually say interesting things that *women* find funny or attractive.

    If I’m finding myself trying to think of what to say next or I’m conscious of the fact that I’m “thinking on my feet,” I already know I’m losing. The bloodstream Mojo must not be circulating well that day.

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  25. I think false time constraints should be mentioned here because I see ALOT of guys that don’t do this and don’t kickoff with all the power that they could have.

    False time constraints, do it fellas.

    Many of my issues in the field went away when I simply added, “..but I can only stay for a minute” to whatever I was saying.

    It’s mentioned in all the books, the Mystery Method, Bang, The Game, etc. It just is peppered between the lines, I think it should be stressed more often.

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  26. Joe

    “Askmen.com celebrates American women:

    http://www.askmen.com/dating/player_250/284_the-player-why-the-player-loves-american-women.html

    That “Player” guy over at askmen is a chimp.

    And not very worldly.

    – MPM

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  27. I am currently struggling with moving the conversation forward after delivering the opener and a neg. While I was out last night, there were a few instances in which I had clearly built attraction with a set but was forced to eject because I simply couldn’t think of anything further to say.

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  28. When they do, don’t hover hoping for her to have a change of heart. I still don’t know why so many men display this horribly low value behavior, but they do.

    Ah! So true! You know what’s even worse? When guys get defensive and/or angry. Possibly the most unattractive move you can make as you jump ship from a failed pick-up attempt is to get angry (“Fine, be a fucking bitch about it”).

    I mean, take rejection like a man. SRSLY. It’s a little bit scary (if a guy gets really angry and I’ve been nothing but pleasant and cordial with him), and I’m not sure what he expects to happen — “Oh, what’s that? I’m a bitch? Be still, my beating heart! Now I want to go home with you.”

    The best PUA’s and naturals that I know, know how and when to exit gracefully.

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  29. Huck Finn

    “While I was out last night, there were a few instances in which I had clearly built attraction with a set but was forced to eject because I simply couldn’t think of anything further to say.”

    Try telling a funny story.

    Or order a round of shots.

    – MPM

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  30. What worked for me when I found myself not knowing what to say next — just don’t say anything. Don’t be afraid of dead air.

    It can actually work in your favor, like a qualifier. The girl feels that she is boring you, and she’ll try real hard to say something to keep your attention.

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  31. LILGRL,

    ”Fine, be a fucking bitch about it”

    Yeah. Weesh.

    Like Gordon Gecko said, “Never get emotional about stocks”.

    – MPM

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  32. LILGRL

    Possibly the most unattractive move you can make as you jump ship from a failed pick-up attempt is to get angry (”Fine, be a fucking bitch about it”)

    you sure must hear that a lot to be so worked-up about it

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  33. The “dead air” is a trick journalists use on their interview subjects. They’ll suddently go quiet when it’s their turn to say something, and the interviewee feels off-balance and just starts blabbing to fill the silence.

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  34. PA,

    You are right.

    Silence is extremely powerful when used correctly.

    And Alpha.

    Especially in conversation after you have asked a big question or big statement..

    Next one who speaks loses.

    – MPM

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  35. That “Player” guy over at askmen is a chimp.

    And not very worldly.

    For sure.

    Posted that as an example of what NOT to do.

    Hilariously bad. Best part is the comments section. Even his readers bash him for praising American women.

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  36. on July 20, 2009 at 2:55 pm ironrailsironweights

    The fear of approaching women cold to initiate a courtship is hardwired in men, and for good reason, as a failed cold approach in the ancestral environment could have easily led to banishment from the tribe, and early death. Worse still, it could have led to incessant mockery from peers.

    Banishment from the tribe’s not going to happen any more. Early death, well, the chances aren’t zero, but are pretty slim. Mockery from peers? That one’s alive and well.

    Peter

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  37. PA:

    “It’s a function of confidence, not some kind of an ability. ”

    It’s a function of both, as both are often interrelated. The confidence you had underscored your natural or developed ability to talk to women.

    I’ve experienced the same mojo effect as well. Everything you say and do is met with a positive response, but since this stuff can’t be bottled (even though alcohol can recreate the effect somewhat) a man has to rely on same basic knowledge rather than instinct. So conversation, flirtation, and pick-up is an art or an ability that is developed through practice and repetition. Men would be well-served to *learn* what to say and what not to say; the confidence is a seperate albeit very important aspect as well.

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  38. My main problem in my teens and early 20s was an assumption that girls “want to be respected” and “don’t want to be seen as sexual objects.” I blame the afterschool specials.

    And your mother, and your female relatives, and your female friends (my God, why do you even have those?), and all the other well-meaning dingbats who are giving you exactly the wrong advice. Never listen to them!

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  39. on July 20, 2009 at 3:08 pm Dr. Grzlickson

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of sappho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

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  40. on July 20, 2009 at 3:12 pm GNPs are for Apes

    The bestial one wrote :

    Banishment from the tribe’s not going to happen any more. Early death, well, the chances aren’t zero, but are pretty slim. Mockery from peers? That one’s alive and well.

    Do you understand the concept of ‘hardwired from ancient times’?

    It appears that your bestial proclivities are due to the fact that you relate more closely to beasts on an intellectual level as well.

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  41. pete is behaving himself
    lighten up

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  42. All of us remember a time when we waited FAAAAAAR too long to escalate, and wasted what was there for the taking on a silver platter.

    As far as escalation, I agree that all men should err on the side of being bold rather than passive. That is a given.

    But the best results come from a ‘fractionating’ approach. Turn on the seductive talk when you get her alone, get her to respond, and then stop and talk about something else, as if it was no big deal. After that, turn it on again, make a bold physical move, and then pull back again as if it was no big deal.

    This drives women crazy, and is the classic ‘rope-a-dope’ tactic. It amps them up a lot, while raising your value relative to hers. She may even make the move herself – it will get her so bothered…

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  43. on July 20, 2009 at 3:27 pm Gunslingergregi

    ”””””””””Isolating Her

    This is another stage of game that I notice men tend to forget to do. My guess is that once a man has successfully opened a girl and is enjoying full-throttled conversation with her, he gets so wrapped up in his early forward progress that he is afraid to break the rhythm by moving the girl to an isolated location for deeper rapport. But he must do this, because deep rapport in a relatively quiet spot away from the location of the initial meet is vital to avoid later flaking. So be a leader and drag her to a new location, and if she balks then you know that your sparkling conversation with her wasn’t as sparkling as you thought it was.””””””

    Yea like lets say it is a chick online you could tell her to get a new email address which will allow your name to be the only one on that list. Intead of her tried and true adress which has got dudes in the 100’s lol

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  44. @ Gunslingergregi

    Yea like lets say it is a chick online you could tell her to get a new email address which will allow your name to be the only one on that list. Intead of her tried and true adress which has got dudes in the 100’s lol

    Hahahahahahaha, online isolation.

    I love it.

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  45. I have acually used the tap water line almost word-for-word the way Roissy has laid it out to great success on numerous occassions.

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  46. on July 20, 2009 at 3:43 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””You must be willing to lose her. This is the only way that you get better with women. ”””””””

    Yea I think you got to be a able to do a test and if she fails she fails. More chicks out there.

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  47. @ Mandy! xD

    And promptly avoid you if they’re anything like me.

    Hmm. I wouldn’t hate on a guy for trying. It wouldn’t be good if he kept pushing it, though, especially early on. I think a lot of this is about reading the girl and knowing when to cut your losses and bail. But there’s the whole push-and-pull dynamic of any male-female interaction that is too often lost (yeah, these days part of it is that there’s push…and no pull…)

    @ blighter

    I have acually used the tap water line almost word-for-word the way Roissy has laid it out to great success on numerous occassions.

    Um, the tap water line is in no way original. Dude. I’ve probably used the tap water line. Heh. The great thing about that line is that…

    The tap water in DC sucks.

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  48. on July 20, 2009 at 3:47 pm Gunslingergregi

    Lilgrl,
    Yea online is a new ballgame from real life for sure. Real life is easier to build rapore because you actually fuck her during fuck close instead of just cyber he he he

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  49. @ Gunslingergregi

    You must be willing to lose her. This is the only way that you get better with women.

    True story. You know when this story is most true? WHEN YOU’VE JUST MET HER!

    Haha, again Re: Hovering — you approach a girl and she rejects you. Okay. Walk away. Don’t hang about. Sorry, is this girl the love of your life? Are you destined for each other? Do you even know her name? Yeah, that’s what I thought. So, move on.

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  50. LILGRL “…what’s even worse? When guys get defensive and/or angry….I mean, take rejection like a man. SRSLY. It’s a little bit scary (if a guy gets really angry and I’ve been nothing but pleasant and cordial with him),…”

    Just saw “The Wrestler” last night, and Mickey Rourke was great going up to but not over the line with regard to anger. The key to the scene was that it wasn’t a rejection but an objection –he knew he had attraction, he had good reason to believe, as he said, that they “had something here,” which she was just trashing for a reason he could reasonably disagree with. Totally in-control anger and self-assertiveness seems perfectly cool to me; more than cool, an assertive manly turn-on I’m sure; rocked her world as it turned out. You should be angry if she’s just denying you for some tool reason. If her reasons are mockable, I say mock-away. Don’t think for a second you could flirt with some girl and then tell her, nah, I’m not into it because of any old reason and get away without a sharp word; it should work both ways.

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  51. I wasn’t laying claim to originality, LilGrl, just offering firsthand testimony to its efficacy.

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  52. low long term value single mom:
    “You’re trying too hard.”

    OMG, lol….see this is why I have a hard time with the negging. If a guy said the above to me, my immediate sarcastic answer would be “well normally it’s not this difficult to get rid of a guy who’s bothering me.” –would be my immediate answer with a cunty smile.

    you said “immediate” twice in the same sentence. you’re trying too hard.

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  53. Is Lady Cumstaine still here?

    I thought she’d be handing out blowjobs for crack by the railroad trestle by now.

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  54. As for the dude saying about grabbing a chick on the dance floor! OH MY! Bad recommendation.

    It is not a recommendation, you dumbshit. It is a fact of what I WAS regularly able to do, while simultaneously not doing daytime approaches (which technically should be much easier).

    Yet, about half the time, the women was totally fine with my hands on her ass within 60 seconds of dancing one-on-one with her.

    You have a quite a bit of arrogance for a woman with very low (and dropping) market value.

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  55. LILGRL

    The best PUA’s and naturals that I know, know how and when to exit gracefully.

    The best ones I know exit immediately and move on to the next target without so much as missing a beat. It’s kind of funny to see the stunned expression on some women’s faces, as they were expecting the guy to stick around for at least long enough for them to get in a cheeky put down or two. Instead their haughtiness is left hanging in thin air; in a suddenly vacant space as it were.

    The best women graciously offer a man a different avenue, and despite turning him down, let him leave feeling none the worse for his effort. How many of these women exist in America these days? Very, very few. And, strangely, it seems that the most beautiful are the ones most likely to be nice about turning a guy down. Or perhaps that’s why they seem so beautiful.

    So for guys, if you get a rude laugh in your face or a put down, just be happy you won’t be spending any time with a person like that.

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  56. @ cz

    The times that a guy has gotten angry with me for turning him down, it’s been pretty much a no-go from the start. I even try to avoid making eye contact with him in the beginning, so he won’t approach in the first place. If they do approach, I’ll tell them I’m not interested, make some friendly conversation, and try to steer them toward other girls. And it’s only after I’ve made it very, very clear that I am just NOT interested that they get mad at me — as though, by not running away from them and screaming “NO! DON’T TOUCH ME!”, I somehow led them on.

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  57. sorry, should’ve been “them” from the start.

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  58. A LR gem…

    “OMG, lol….see this is why I have a hard time with the negging. If a guy said the above to me, my immediate sarcastic answer would be “well normally it’s not this difficult to get rid of a guy who’s bothering me.” –would be my immediate answer with a cunty smile.”

    For a chick (I say this generously) whose protruding chin, large beak, and bulging cheekbones make her a candidate to be mounted on Notre Dame Cathedral in Pris with the rest of the gargoyles, life must be one big neg.

    Especially in Allentown. With Photoshop.

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  59. LILGRL

    The best PUA’s and naturals that I know, know how and when to exit gracefully.

    lol you’ve been picked-up like, what – once since you became legal

    roleplaying
    does not
    count
    btw

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  60. “Hovering

    Seductions will fail, face it. When they do, don’t hover hoping for her to have a change of heart. I still don’t know why so many men display this horribly low value behavior, but they do. Perhaps it’s a cognitive mechanism of self-delusion that spares a man’s ego from acknowledging the rejection.”

    In Roissy’s earlier post on the subject, he wrote:

    “The other reason may be that he really believes the girl will warm up to him if he physically imposes himself in her peripheral vision. Maybe he wishes that she’ll give a second look at his tough grimace, chiseled triceps, or cool hand-in-jeans-pocket stance and reconsider his mate value. This is projection. Because guys are looks-focused, we think girls are equally looks-focused. But that is a failure of imagination. Once a girl has decided she doesn’t like your personality she loses all interest in your looks or how suavely you can hook your thumb through your belt loop.”

    I think thats precisely it, and the more time the guy has spent in the gym, the more he probably will be likely to hover. “Ive built up this body to the point that I can compete with any underwear model/chippendale dancer/hollywood actor, so she is bound to get turned on by looking at my guns/chest/shoulders/abs”. That just ain’t so for the ladies. I think the term Ive seen Roissy use is “psychosexual dominance”, and its so true. I can’t say how many times in my life Ive seen the hot babe go for the “leader-guy”, despite only pretty-fair looks, but its been a lot.

    In a way, thats a huge plus for men because men can raise their status professionally, financially, and especially socially in women’s eyes, but women aren’t much more than the sum of their raw sex appeal/friendliness to men (and the friendliness doesn’t count against her much if he is looking for a one-night fuck, which is about 90% of the time in bar circumstances).

    I think it was Welmer in yesterday’s comments that mentioned that Roissy would make a good uncle or something similar. Wouldn’t it have been nice if we guys all had an uncle who gave us advice when we were 13 like the post above……………………..advice that really counts on how to -BUILD- attraction where none previously existed on looks alone and how this expressly can be done with females even though its practically impossible to do with males.

    Thats probably why so many dismiss “game”. The know their co-worker females and aquaintances couldn’t “build” attraction with them without doing something like hitting the gym/getting boob implants/getting plastic surgery or all three, so they think that attraction is all in the “look-over” and its either there or its not, but womens buttons are so much more legion than this.

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  61. on July 20, 2009 at 5:19 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””””””’on July 20, 2009 at 5:11 pm z
    “Hovering

    Seductions will fail, face it. When they do, don’t hover hoping for her to have a change of heart. I still don’t know why so many men display this horribly low value behavior, but they do. Perhaps it’s a cognitive mechanism of self-delusion that spares a man’s ego from acknowledging the rejection.”

    In Roissy’s earlier post on the subject, he wrote:

    “The other reason may be that he really believes the girl will warm up to him if he physically imposes himself in her peripheral vision. Maybe he wishes that she’ll give a second look at his tough grimace, chiseled triceps, or cool hand-in-jeans-pocket stance and reconsider his mate value. This is projection. Because guys are looks-focused, we think girls are equally looks-focused. But that is a failure of imagination. Once a girl has decided she doesn’t like your personality she loses all interest in your looks or how suavely you can hook your thumb through your belt loop.”””””””””””

    Unless she sees you leave with another chick in club then next time she may say yes. As you can see with woman they become more attracted when you have the proof ie another woman on your arm your obviously going home to fuck.

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  62. on July 20, 2009 at 5:19 pm D. Ray Morton

    Great post, Roissy. Wondering what you think of Vin DiCarlo or Sinn…

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  63. excellent post roissy , but a question just came to mind when discussing this post with a friend whos a fellow follower of the blog :

    i know qualifying in the way you’ve outlined it is important to pick up , but is it THAT necessary if one is very good at negging effectively ? in my own personal experience, 75% of the time negging alone has resulted in the girl trying to qualify herself to me in some form

    thoughts everyone ?

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  64. @Tood:

    “All of us remember a time when we waited FAAAAAAR too long to escalate, and wasted what was there for the taking on a silver platter.”

    This is true.

    And I’m not just talking about one night stands (I wouldn’t know) but also with relationships in general.

    If you give off this friendly, awkward vibe, and she reads you as a friend, then wait a few months to escalate things, and it’s not there, well then…

    best of luck next time. :/

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  65. on July 20, 2009 at 5:27 pm D. Ray Morton

    “False time constraints, do it fellas.”

    And if you can affect the Neil Strauss Gay Chipmunk On Helium Voice, that helps, too.

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  66. on July 20, 2009 at 5:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    Qualifying:

    So pussy tastes good?

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  67. @ Mandy! xD

    If you give off this friendly, awkward vibe, and she reads you as a friend, then wait a few months to escalate things, and it’s not there, well then…

    best of luck next time. :/

    True story! Haha, I’ve had friends that I’ve ended up dating…but let’s be serious — they were never “just friends” to begin with. Not even close. Not even sort of close.

    Friendzone approaches quickly. Be on your guard.

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  68. @LILGRL:

    That’s how it was with my boyfriend and I. We were never “just friends.” Ever.

    When one of my friends asked him,”What’s the deal with you and Mandy?” back when we were friends, he said,”We’re secret lovers.”

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  69. Comrade Cuntrag! Someone is complaining about Nobama and complaining he got mugged and beaten up! Dispatch your skanky ass to the scene, and tell him he is a racist and a whiner!

    Hurry!

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  70. Thanks, Roissy, for a great post. Important to remember that, no matter how good you are at Game, some (even many) attempts will fail; critical to know how to deal with that effectively.

    I was once told by an aged seducer (he was, of course, European; and of course he still had a bevy of babes, most half his age or less and very hot, despite the fact that he was pushing 70) that the real trick is knowing which gals want it. I’ve come to see the wisdom in that, as well as understand that such a special type of pussy radar is learned, not innate, even in alphaest of guys.

    Learn to detect the ones who want to spread for you, and the vaginal world is your to conquer.

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  71. on July 20, 2009 at 6:12 pm Gunslingergregi

    Just different levels of difficulty. Some you may have to get with there agent and give em 10 or 20 k he he he

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  72. Mandy! XD

    @LILGRL:

    When one of my friends asked him,”What’s the deal with you and Mandy?” back when we were friends, he said,”We’re secret lovers.”

    i’m gonna burst your romantic bubble: he has to say that because. yer. jailbait. haha – it better be kept secret

    honestly, you both can be sort of cute at times, but when you girlies start ‘dishing’ advice – it’s like having some kid work on my car just bc he plays with Hot Wheelz

    the Dalai Lama’s seen more strange in the last year than you two lol

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081128183857.lgjbvt92&show_article=1

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  73. LILGRL

    True story! Haha, I’ve had friends that I’ve ended up dating…but let’s be serious — they were never “just friends” to begin with. Not even close. Not even sort of close.

    Yeah.

    The typical case in which LJBF can escalate to much more is when there was some real impediment to being more than friends in the first place, but not a lack of mutual attraction, even if formerly denied or suppressed.

    E.g. one or both of you were previously in a committed relationship, but then you’re both free or open to change. Esp if you haven’t seen each other in a bit before you do meet again after this change is status occurs.

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  74. LILGRL
    I’m trying to talk about something different. Did you see the movie?
    The scene, and point I’m trying to make, assumes there’s been some reasonable semblance of a connection, and so the anger is not at the rejection –hey, men get rejected all the time, but the lameness of the objection/excuse.

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  75. @ cz

    No, didn’t see the movie. Just mentioning that when it happens to me, well, it’s totally out-of-the-blue weirdness. I see what you’re saying — mocking a lame rejection is fine, but I still don’t think you should get legitimately angry.

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  76. @Firepower:

    We’re official now. We’re not “secret” anymore.

    And he’s not much older than me.

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  77. @cz- i saw the movie and remember the scene. i chalked her rejection up not to lameness or shallowness, but by the fact that she was a stripper and had to be very careful crossing that line to get involved with a customer. but i agree that his calling her on it was alpha and led to her coming around and crossing that line anyway.

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  78. The maxim goes even further. I don’t remember the source, but the quote I remember goes something like:

    A woman will always forgive a man who tries to seduce her, but will never forgive a man who fails to do so.

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  79. LILGRL
    I see what you’re partly saying too. Yes, there’s a difference between going around with a chip on your shoulder, resentful, and getting easily out of control –what I think you are trying to describe, and getting legitimately angry, which is what I am trying to describe.

    BTW, what’s wrong with getting legitimately angry? Do you mean illegitimately angry? What, I can’t get angry? [What’s the rule on Godwin’s law around here?]

    Maurice gets it. And he furthers it. Yes, I’m sure there’s a better term than “lameness.”

    Here’s a real-life example of an initial response to illustrate my point:

    “Mills Lane, no-nonsense judge and tough guy, fight ref Mills Lane takes-no-guff,” alpha male:

    “…After his second divorce, he was planning to be a bachelor for eternity, but he was sitting at a local bar with several male and female probation officers when the talk turned to dating. A certain tall woman named Kay gawked at him and said, ”That guy would be too short for me,” and his response was immediate and profane. A relationship was born, and soon Tommy and Terry were, too. (Terry was named after the character Terry Malloy, who said ”I coulda been a contender” in the movie, ”On the Waterfront.”)
    http://tinyurl.com/m89vkv

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  80. Respect and compliance are two very different things.

    People with a “people pleaser” (read beta) mentality have a difficult time grasping that.

    Coddling or being a needless martyr for someone is not respectful. It is being a parasite on their ego. You are mis educating them about the reality of life and ultimately make things worse for yourself and any other men in their lives.

    You cripple them for the sake of your desire to have people dependent on you…cut off their feet to make it harder for them to run from you.

    Hobbling someone will not make them love you. It will make them despise you as much as they need you.

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  81. on July 20, 2009 at 8:22 pm Gunslingergregi

    That is why after pump you dump so they can be free as a bird to get eaten by cats.

    or

    Make them help you build something that lasts.

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  82. @mandy xd

    well, you comprehended almost half what i wrote. great, i guess

    my purpose is not a cruel jab at either of you; (if it is – you’ll know.) you and lilgirl displaying your “pickups” (or, lack thereof) is inapplicable to this topic. rehashing how ‘sweetiesugarwooby’ pinned you at a pep rally during Homecoming, or how many fawning betas you blow out at Club Trendy in your fishnet bodysuit is, frankly, preposterous applied to this topic. if you hate me now: whatev.

    mmkay: per this topic, you and princess mulan were successfully picked-up by a stranger, taken home and fucked … how many times the past 2 years?

    right.

    Neither of you know what works. The both of you are qualified only in the negative aspect of this topic: The “I’m sorry…I have a boyfriend” checkmate game. none of the “stumbling block” topics (written above in bold) result in successful game with you; you’re better warnings, than green lights. Ellen’s seen mo’ dick than the both of ya

    What contributions do you have, then, to tell guys on how to avoid the ‘typical stumbling blocks’?

    now that it’s a bun party raining estrogen ala Tyra!

    mout

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  83. @Firepower:

    Your initial metaphor was enough. You didn’t need to elaborate.

    I only responded to the parts of your post I felt needed correcting.

    Beyond that, I really don’t give a fuck.

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  84. fine

    think of something worthwhile
    to contribute in, say,
    about 7 years

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  85. @Firepower:

    I’ll probably be too busy doing research in seven years to leave random comment on the musings of a 40+ year old PUA living in DC in the form of “poetry.”

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  86. on July 20, 2009 at 9:53 pm Gunslingergregi

    Good thing you said probably and not never because ya never know.

    🙂

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  87. sounds exciting
    blog about how
    that works out
    for ya

    i’m 84+
    btw

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  88. Mandy! XD,

    You are assuming that things will go as planned. The future, over that time-span, will have some surprises for you… surprises that you will not like.

    The whole, self-important white-woman with make believe job shtick, will not work for reasons that are beyond your comprehension or control.

    “I’ll probably be too busy doing research in seven years to leave random comment on the musings of a 40+ year old PUA living in DC in the form of “poetry.””

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  89. Oh my god, it is already happening.

    Non-Muslims now using Muslim sharia courts in the UK.

    See? What did I tell you?

    This is not good for the West, of course, but it is much worse for feminism/feminist divorce laws than for anyone else.

    If faced with the choice of a feminist divorce extortion vs. Islamic divorce laws (which are just as unfairly titled towards the MAN), what would you choose?

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  90. @Lucifer:

    “You are assuming that things will go as planned. The future, over that time-span, will have some surprises for you… surprises that you will not like.”

    For every bad surprise I have, there will be twice as many good ones.

    Never underestimate the power of words. If I say it shall be, it will be.

    And if it isn’t, then it was never meant to be. Better things will come. ;]

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  91. Mandy! XD,

    I find your childlike belief entertaining. You do not realize that we are on (not at) an ‘inflection’ point in human history for a lot of things.

    You are linearizing, a concept driven by white hubris. Linearization only works in stable or simple systems as you will find out in the next few years (in case you have not noticed it already). A lot of what you think is stable and workable is not, but most people cannot learn any other way.

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  92. @Lucifer:

    I’ll make it workable. I know life isn’t stable, I think I’d know as well as anyone that life throws curveballs, for better or worse.

    Don’t tell me I can’t do something because I will, and then relish the look on your face once I’ve done it.

    Things will work out. They always do.

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  93. on July 20, 2009 at 10:15 pm A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    “If faced with the choice of a feminist divorce extortion vs. Islamic divorce laws (which are just as unfairly titled towards the MAN), what would you choose?”…………

    NEITHER!!!

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  94. on July 20, 2009 at 10:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Yea we all die.

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  95. Only our physical forms die, Gunslinger.

    🙂

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  96. That being said, I never thought I would live very long.

    I don’t think I’ll make it to my 40’s.

    Probably not my 30’s or late 20’s.

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  97. on July 20, 2009 at 10:29 pm Gunslingergregi

    I hope so because I expect my woman to love me after death and still want to fuck. he he he

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  98. Mandy XD

    That being said, I never thought I would live very long.

    I don’t think I’ll make it to my 40’s.

    Probably not my 30’s or late 20’s.

    Well then WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU??

    Get going already.

    It was at about your age the similar IQ Bill Gates left Harvard to plunge into this just beginning business of home electronics Popular Mechanics type geeks, personal computer programming – but with much bigger possible potential.

    So what have you invented or discovered lately.

    Hell, you’re PRACTICALLY 18 already.

    Mighty slow aren’t you Mandy?

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  99. eh, Let the kid believe what she wants. Don’t be so delighted to burst her bubble.

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  100. A majority of men say they would never date a woman with more than three kids, but women are more apt to date men with children, a U.S. survey indicates.

    http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2009/07/20/Jon-Kates-8-kids-may-be-dating-barrier/UPI-65861248068516/

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  101. Gunslingergregi

    I expect my woman to love me after death and still want to fuck.

    lol you know that’s illegal in all 50 states, except Arkansas. Or, unless you’re a Kennedy. 😉

    im out

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  102. Firepower:

    all pretty lies
    perish
    here
    without discrimination

    : (

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  103. on July 20, 2009 at 10:55 pm Gunslingergregi

    yea I am picturing it why not lol omfg

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  104. on July 20, 2009 at 10:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ok to clarify after we are both dead not just her. he he he

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  105. on July 20, 2009 at 10:56 pm Gunslingergregi

    I don’t have a problem if it goes the other way.

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  106. @doug:

    Maybe, but I’m happy where I am now. I’m not really one to take someone else’s product and sell it.

    You think I want things for fame or money, or recognition.

    That’s not what I want at all. In fact, if I ever accomplish anything it will probably benefit very few people. But if it can make my mom smile again instead of having a constant grimace because she’s in pain all the time, then that’s all that matters.

    For someone who claims to know so much about me, you know so little.

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  107. @doug, Firepower, Lucifer, et al:

    At the end, it all comes down to what we value most in life.

    Here, most of you will value the ability to work women, to secure a “feck close.” In fact, most men will.

    I value something else. Intelligence, selfless acts, etc. and I look to personal heroes, not big shot business men, for inspiration and motivation.

    Do I have doors open? Yes. A week ago, a lawyer told me that if I ever planned on going to law school, I just had to contact him. A month ago, my principal offered me a research position with a doctor doing skin grafts (of course, once I’ve started college).

    Does that mean squat to you? No. But it means something to me.

    Do your “feck closes” and love lives mean squat to me? No. But I respect it, because those are your dreams, and that’s what this blog is about.

    With that, let this die down, and, to put it bluntly, STOP SCREWING WITH MY DREAMS.

    I haven’t said squat about yours.

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  108. @ Mandy! xD

    Curious, because doug keeps mentioning it — what’s your IQ?

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  109. on July 20, 2009 at 11:21 pm Gunslingergregi

    Ya might be misunderstanding a little bit. We all most likely have dreams in addition to the fac closes.

    Or some have already accomplished all there dreams.

    But yea fac closes come second to mission for most.

    Also fac close is good but second to finding that dream woman.

    Yea not quite so simple.

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  110. on July 20, 2009 at 11:22 pm InterestedParty

    I go into David Alexander mode a lot of the times. I’ll check girls out at some venues and I ask: “Would I rather just jack off or put in the effort to bed on of these chick”? Most chicks, if I can’t get them into bed on night ONE, I’d rather go home and jack it to porn. And most places really have only a few chicks worth putting in any effort. (From the sounds of it DC has almost zero.)

    Some might say that’s sad. But most just chicks aren’t worth it. Seriously.

    See Doug Stanhope (not so much the shame part 🙂 ): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYA9DaSIddo

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  111. Great post, Roissy.

    One thing you just lightly scratched upon, but is a constant hindrance to me at least, is how to combat the Mother Hen. It’s can be quite harrowing to stare into the snout of a grotesque creature bioengineered to impede your Prickle.

    [editor: true. and someone mentioned above that a lot of guys forget to do false time constraints. i’d have to agree with that. the funny thing is, false time constraints are so easy to employ.]

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  112. @mandy- nobody is messing with your dreams. it’s just that all the people here, older than you and with much more life experience, can’t help but be slightly amused, in an affectionate way, at how much you think you know about life at age 17. i think the reason FP/lucifer poked you a bit was that in those last few posts you seemed a little full of yourself. unusually, because ordinarily you’re very empathetic and a good listener/commenter.

    FP was right to call b.s. on you giving pickup advice to men when you’re, you know, a 17-y.o. virgin. when people here call me on my b.s. or errors, i take it in stride, listen, and react accordingly if they’re right. that’s been your style in the past. hopefully you’ll take this mild criticism in the constructive spirit in which it is intended.

    it does seem likely that you’ll achieve major things in your chosen field of research, whatever it is, and you deserve that success. but life does throw you many curve balls along the way. if you had told me about my life at 25, 30, 35, or 40 when I was 17, i wouldn’t have believed or understood it.

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  113. thats a great comment maurice.

    mandy take it like a man or women.

    I kinda understand what mandy is trying to say though. Alot of people on here are mad as hell for not acheiving whatever they wanted out of life, so while settling for whatever they could they try to bring the new blood down.

    but also just like you mandy, i have to face reality.

    It will take a long time (and a bunch of rejection) before I ever achieve that thing i desire most out of life.

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  114. @mandy xd

    Gotta admit you are not your ‘normal’ self here tonight. Everything ok?

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  115. aoefe–

    are you upset at me cause of something I did private, best intentions, to well, you know?

    If so, pls contact me private. K? On your side.

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  116. @doug

    NO! Is there anything that gives you the idea? Sorry if it seems so. Did I ignore a post?

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  117. on July 21, 2009 at 12:02 am Gunslingergregi

    Dreams that are in your control can be achieved. Hence why eventually I will be rich. I will never give up fullfilling my destiny (dream) till I die. Like you wanting to cure a disease you never have to give up on that and can work on it your whole life because it is a dream that is under your control. Most people do tend to give up on there dream whatever it was or sometimes ”time” can make it impossible. Like if you wanted to be a fighter pilot but cannot pass tests. Well maybe you could save some money and pay off whoever is doing tests so you get in.

    Like braveheart when dad told his son,”uncompromising men are easy to admire”

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  118. @aoefe:

    I’d rather not bring my personal life on here and shouldn’t have.

    Thank you, maurice and collegeboy. I needed that. It was like a refreshing splash of cold water to my face.

    Keep being awesome everyone.

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  119. @mandy XD

    BIG hugs your way cutie!!

    [editor: anyone who wishes to carry on in these comments like it’s a slumber party or an hours long telephone call, please START YOUR OWN FORUM FOR THIS INSIPID SHIT. thanku.]

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  120. @doug

    Ahhhh…nope…you’re still The Dude… 🙂 Well not The Dude, Bhetti’s Dude, but you know what I mean.

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  121. on July 21, 2009 at 12:12 am Gunslingergregi

    aww come on roissy that was cute 🙂

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  122. Sorry Roissy.

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  123. @Roissy

    Gotcha – fair enough.

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  124. I vividly recall being 17-18 and what the world looked like at the time. I was an adult; but the hard mf-ing truth was that I had been an adult for months, only, in some ways, weeks in others and barely scrapping by in some very important ways in others. I was a quick and dedicated student who happened to be starting from grown zero – rural nothingness, well meaning naive parents whose own authentically happy union was born from another, long dead, deeply misleading era.
    BTW, there is nothing really wrong with being a 17 year old blistering hot young girl (or guy). Just remember; you might think you are just sauntering along down natural street; but wake up, the ground under your feet is what is moving ,doing the forced march that is dragging you along.

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  125. on July 21, 2009 at 12:19 am Amanda Corsani

    Seriously, I think you are a sad and pathetic man. You and your followers are probably a band of nerd who are trying to get back at the cheerleader who didn’t look your way but writing chavenistic trash for the world to see. Sad to say that only your small group of hunchbacks are reading this. My nerdy ass co worker sent this to me thinking it would teach me how real men view the world. Wrong! The first amendment is not meant to protect verbal diarrhea FYI.

    [editor: are you a fascist? because the first amendment is meant to protect the sorts of language and ideas you find so objectionable. for example: you are a magnificent cunt.]

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  126. @amanda

    I admit it looks bad at first glance, you’re having a similar reaction as I first did. Stick around a little – read – get to know the regulars – it’s much more complex than it first appears.

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  127. Roissy

    editor: anyone who wishes to carry on in these comments like it’s a slumber party or an hours long telephone call, please START YOUR OWN FORUM FOR THIS INSIPID SHIT. thanku.

    Fuck you immature at time asshole.

    [editor: do you really want me to start tearing into your godawful online flirting technique?]

    Though rather brilliant with this blog.

    [yes. and i’d like to keep the comments section up to my high standards by not clogging it down with preteen girl pajama party yapping.]

    This is part of what make your blog strong.

    Your lion roars at times are fine but stop trying to chase away this sort of thing.

    [i do as i please.]

    It’s not the problem here and could probably enhance here.

    [80% of the comments enhance nothing. in fact, just the opposite. the sheer mindnumbing banality of all these comments (and yes i’m looking at you too gunny, barring your occasional lucid gem) drives away smart and clever commenters who are forced to wade through all this gossip girl sewage and decide not to bother instead.]

    From: Older lion.

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  128. @Rum:
    “BTW, there is nothing really wrong with being a 17 year old blistering hot young girl (or guy).”
    What about average in the looks department? 😛
    That’s wrong?

    I kid, I kid.

    “Just remember; you might think you are just sauntering along down natural street; but wake up, the ground under your feet is what is moving ,doing the forced march that is dragging you along.”

    Lack of control. I think that is what humans fear most. I mean, face it, everything we do in our lives is about establishing control.

    Establishing control over our finances, over our “game,” over our jobs, over our futures, over eachother, over ourselves.

    How much control do we really have? I wonder…

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  129. @roissy and doug

    I get both of your points. First of all ya I shouldn’t be filling space with “hugs” comments – honestly felt a little silly at the time. That said this forum does establish relationships and you do feel you get to know the players and care for them. Even the ones you love to hate.

    So for the record I’ll be much more circumspect about silly posts and I’ll also continue to get to know the players (ha ha get it!) on a deeper level.

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  130. There are too many Amandas in the world.

    I mean this literally, although it probably could apply figuratively.

    Too many.

    Seriously, though, Amanda Corsani, it isn’t as bad as it seems. What you’re experiencing at first is defiance. But you have to read more, digest it, and look at all the evidence.

    You don’t have to agree 100% of the time, but at least listen and learn with an open mind.

    AND OMG DOUG IS ASLAN!!!!!

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  131. on July 21, 2009 at 12:45 am The Older Man

    Arrakis
    ….One thing you just lightly scratched upon, but is a constant hindrance to me at least, is how to combat the Mother Hen. It’s can be quite harrowing to stare into the snout of a grotesque creature bioengineered to impede your Prickle.

    Try day game. Street Game. Gym Game. Hobbie Game etc as opposed to nightclub game.

    And if you are “spoiled” by a mother hen apologise to the target, say you have to leave… and then leave immediately…

    Make the “mother hen” the “targets” problem and not your problem

    You will be able to tell by the targets eyes if she wants you to stay, but still walk away and then game the rest of the room leaving it up to the target to re-engage. (which she will because of jealousy)

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  132. Mandy & aoefe: May your debutant Ball get thoroughly and properly warmed . May the last dance with Elmer be the springboard to intergalactic orgasmotromic thrustered intersellar space exploratyion.

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  133. @Rum:

    Have you been drinking? I only understood about half of what you said.

    Please forgive me if that was due to stupidity on my part, instead of inebriation on yours.

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  134. on July 21, 2009 at 1:02 am Gunslingergregi

    I got to admit it is tough not to comment it is quite fun.
    Even when I try to hold back. I guess I should do linked blog for my flow maybe.

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  135. Mandy

    And promptly avoid you if they’re anything like me.

    I had a virgin flirt with me for some weeks. After she made it clear that she wanted to remain virgin until married my smile dropped and I lost all interest. She persisted in flirting for some months, and, thinking she’d had a change of heart on the virgin stance, I met her again and would chat with her. The piss off was that she was still wasting my time.

    No option for sex = zero interest from me. Total waste of time. I have no interest in getting to know a girl. Dating leads to sex.

    If that is off putting – better to not date a guy like me – admittedly.

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  136. Heres the video where lovesystems appears on tyra. it was over all weak, but i though some people from here might like it.

    lots of screaming and bullshit so skip to 2:21

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  137. @xsplat:

    Exactly. Men like you can be too intense, too forward, and it’s a bit off-putting for girls like me. So it works out.

    She probably WAS interested, but wanted a sense of security, a sense of something that what she was doing wouldn’t end in a broken heart. Something tells me that you may have had her. She may have been teasing, but she may have also wanted it. The forwardness may have killed it.

    I’ve been guilty of wasting the time of a few men this past year, and it’s for the same reasons- a forwardness and casual attitude about sex that I certainly couldn’t adopt now, and probably never could adopt. Recognizing that aspect of myself has helped me scope out different types of guys better and taught me to put an end to things right away before they get worse.

    A lot of girls need to do that.

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  138. I think a lot of men that have been Beta in the past, but get a little Game on their belt also avoid virgins (besides the obvious “no sex” reason) because it gives them a sense of deja vu.

    Their own experience tellls them that a relationship where they’re connected emotionally but not physically is a fool’s errand. They remember the timess girls would cry on their shoulder, the sexless dates and the neverending frustration.

    With experience in the Friend Zone being so hellish, I wouldn’t blame a guy for avoiding relationships that lack physical intimacy. I know I sure as hell would.

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  139. Mandy

    She probably WAS interested, but wanted a sense of security, a sense of something that what she was doing wouldn’t end in a broken heart

    Mandy, she was a professional virgin. She was holding out for a rich guy her Chinese parents would approve of. She considered her virginity as an asset to be used in bargaining for the best quality guy.

    I don’t want to marry. She was wasting my time – all she wanted was flirty attention. Space waster.

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  140. on July 21, 2009 at 1:41 am A Perfect 10 - FPUA

    Check this out:

    To be a Gamma

    Gamma. The third letter in the Greek alphabet. Preceding it are Alpha and Beta respectively. In the case of males this means:

    Alpha: If you don’t know what kind of prick this is then don’t bother reading on.

    Beta: The kind of fuckwit who sucks up to alphas in order to further themselves.

    Gamma: Guys who a) either continuously find themselves at the bottom of the pile through no fault of their own, or b) through a state of anomie have no desire to take part in the rigours of social climbing in modern society because they deem such a struggle to be worthless.

    From:
    http://talesofagammamale.blogspot.com/2007/05/to-be-gamma.html

    By this definition:

    …through a state of anomie have no desire to take part in the rigours of social climbing in modern society because they deem such a struggle to be worthless…

    …. I would be a gamma female. I’ve always swam against the tide.

    [editor: hello nicole/kthulah]

    I’m also attracted to men who don’t buy into the matrix.

    So, is gamma the new black (alpha)?

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  141. @LR,

    “I do NOT like to be touched. I doubt I’m the only girl on earth who feels that way.”

    Yep you’re not the only one. My wife doesn’t like being touched either. And look what that turned her husband into.

    @Tood,

    We should sarge together and exchange tips or something. I’m 100% opposite of you. I’m doing quite well at day game (meaning my results are pretty good although I need a lot more polish) but in a club I’m really, really, bad.

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  142. To give you a better idea of this virgin’s attitude, Mandy: she dated a westerner for some months. He took her to a vacation in Bali. She didn’t put out, explaining she wanted to marry first. So he asked her to marry, and she said she wasn’t ready.

    WTF?!!!

    Ya, she’s not ready. So don’t date, bitch. Stop flirting.

    Fuck or don’t. Put up or shut up.

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  143. What caused this virgin to have so much attitude, was that she is a hottie. She’s used to being able to toy with boys.

    A hottie with a low sex drive, who gets off on the power she has over men.

    White noise. A reason to hate on virgins.

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  144. This is why I love women like Amanda posting here. Saying what women think but don’t reveal to men.

    Shaming (you’re not hot enough to pull the cheerleader)? Check.

    Amanda — you’re not hot enough to pull George Clooney either.

    Emotional response to stuff she doesn’t like? Check.

    Stating the rules that govern society are based on her own dislikes and emotion? Check and boy oh boy check.

    This is why women are a disaster unless constantly rebuked for stepping out of line by worshipping their own emotions over the needs of society. A man knows that the First Amendment is to protect all speech, particularly those that are unpopular or disagreeable.

    Women think speech is whatever is popular with them. And anything they don’t like is forbidden.

    It’s why the #1 Women’s daytime talk show is “the View” which applauded one host’s idiotic confession she thought the world was flat (Sherri Sheppard) and Whoopi’s moronic statement today that she thought the moon landings were faked.
    ———————
    So true on the stumbling blocks Roissy. My own weaknesses are probably taking the girl home (if I like her I get overly mushy) and not closing/escalating, and approach. Quite right on the lack of forgiveness on attempted seduction.

    Not so ironically I guess, I’ve done best just by friendly chatting up girls without their posse in day-game settings, not even really being that interested or caring much other than being amusing and detached. A few jokes, observations, and exit. I didn’t care and I suppose that’s why it worked. By contrast, I’ve never, ever, been able to pull club game. Not once. I think that’s probably the toughest. Most ruthless judging by women, largest packs, most obvious competition (other guys as the alternative on display) and quickest thumbs down.

    My take is night game is for really advanced guys. I have never been able to pull it off.

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  145. [80% of the comments enhance nothing. in fact, just the opposite. the sheer mindnumbing banality of all these comments (and yes i’m looking at you too gunny, barring your occasional lucid gem) drives away smart and clever commenters who are forced to wade through all this gossip girl sewage and decide not to bother instead.]

    ditto.

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  146. on July 21, 2009 at 3:11 am Gunslingergregi

    Shaming everybody does it. No one is willing to kill though.

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  147. on July 21, 2009 at 3:14 am Gunslingergregi

    I am not seeing any comments at all here chuck on your blog. So yea where is your brilliant shit that people want to read?
    Post something brilliant now.

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  148. “I am not seeing any comments at all here chuck on your blog. So yea where is your brilliant shit that people want to read?
    Post something brilliant now.”

    roissy’s the one who said it, grow a pair and call him out instead of me for agreeing with him.

    reading stream-of-consciousness ramblings or pointless online flirtation stifles what is often interesting commentary. i’ve noticed a decline in “respectable” commenters, and i don’t think it’s because of the content of the blogposts; it’s the banality of the commenters. if i’m one of those commenters then so be it….now, what were you saying about my blog?

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  149. on July 21, 2009 at 3:43 am Cannon's Canon

    Summarily:

    I am now in scenic Ann Arbor for a calendar month, home of the DAAP BAMN Party and former stomping grounds to such illustrious commenters as GNPs are for Apes.

    Five years removed from undergraduate lifestyle, I am quite estranged from any social networking ties.

    I am in search of some topical day game, “sidewalk” openers to target the relatively sparse summer school crowd. Typical directions, serving as a firm icebreaker on Manhattan streets, strike me as a DLV here.

    Tonight, my current brainstorm revolves around a semi-elaborate, wacky student group, ie: “Pardon me, do you know the way around campus a bit? … Good, I’m trying to figure out where the **{Coed Spanish Assassins Guild} meets…” and let my suave-ay take it from there.

    I’m confident with my vibe and construction, more or less, but need to conquer standard AA with some confident base engagements.

    ** Barefoot Ballet Appreciation Group? Moon Landing Reenactment Troupe? I’m thinking something that would be unmistakeably fake, not betrayingly nerdy (warcraft-style nerdy, anyway), and still not interpretably ‘macho’ (heyyo, is the gym (archer pose) THATTAWAY?). My dress style is distinct yet necessarily casual.

    Any topical suggestions for some undergrad sidewalk openers are appreciated. (Not so much any more weird student group suggestions)

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  150. Firepower/Maurice were spot on with their comments towards the teenyboppers, and helluva lot more polite than I would’ve been. Frankly they probably shouldn’t even being reading this according to wordpresses’ ToS but they contribute [b]nothing[/b].

    gunny needs to learn that seven synapse fires does not mean seven posts.

    doug’s flirting is laughably lame and almost everyone of his posts gets the autoscroll past from me, ditto for DA, pubesguy, any (alleged) of female posters, obsidian (writes an awful lot when nearly every post is “what’s up with white people on xyz”), and xsplat (who i picture as an uglier Colonel Kurtz, beating his third world child brides into submission. Don’t need game when you can withhold their dinner).

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  151. on July 21, 2009 at 3:48 am Gunslingergregi

    Chuck I said brilliant wtf happened man?

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  152. on July 21, 2009 at 3:50 am Gunslingergregi

    ””gunny needs to learn that seven synapse fires does not mean seven posts.”””””””’

    Ok well at least that was funny.

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  153. Gun, at this time you have 31 of 159 posts. Try some consolidation. Maybe bullet points.

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  154. on July 21, 2009 at 3:54 am Gunslingergregi

    Let me tell ya why this happens
    basically when we get bombed or any other bullshit.
    I have to fire all synapses
    and run through a long ass checklist simultaneously with calling all elements that need to respond to situation.
    I am looked at quite well as being one of the best at handling any emergency and have handled many.
    Yea I guess what works for that may be popping to quick on blog.

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  155. on July 21, 2009 at 3:57 am Gunslingergregi

    That is how I work
    problem wsituation presents itself
    ensure safety of personnel
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong
    send one unit complete
    thought what else is needed what else could go wrong

    yea I could try to calm down he he he

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  156. on July 21, 2009 at 4:06 am Cannon's Canon

    Please do not tell G Manifesto that I was posting here tonight. I fucked up a metaphorical 60 pack for him and have been laying low while I try to make it up plus some interest. I am almost back and ready for good standing, but I needed some feedback tonight.

    For the record, I had half a comment typed about the prissy gossip on tonight’s thread (then deleted it in deference) before it was called out. From Darth Vader bebop to divorce malfeasance in less than two hours was tough, though processed. Obsidian threads are equally burdensome, yet always at least a bit informative and black-umenical.

    By far, the pillow fight comments are the least rewarding to wade through. read: negative utlitity

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  157. on July 21, 2009 at 4:10 am Gunslingergregi

    I am about to go home the minority content here has reached epic proportions so yea last white man standing. When I go home will probably develop more of a life.
    Just had 3 more black people come in. We used to do this shit with 2 white people and 1 minority me being one. Now there are 10 minorities. lol
    Normal operating procedure.
    Obama wasn’t lieing about the white man not getting work.

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  158. on July 21, 2009 at 4:32 am Cannon's Canon

    gregi,
    i’m curious about how you’re built. you’ve dropped some lbs numbers that are similar to mine. people usually suppose that i’m around 240 but i generally outclass them with their underestimation. 5’10 can’t be faked though.

    i have enjoyed being a fatso sometimes, in short, hour-long quantities (125 roses).

    Even when getting no pussy, do some of your colleagues tighten their game up for the sake of keeping it tight?

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  159. on July 21, 2009 at 4:51 am GNPs are for Apes

    Cannon’s Canon,

    Sidewalk game is tough. There are ample sunbathing hotties on the quad that are easy to open. After sundown, Connor O’Neil’s and Leopold’s are good, as their interior design lends itself to approaching many groups over the course of an evening.

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  160. on July 21, 2009 at 5:03 am Willard Libby

    Amanda Corsani

    Seriously, I think you are a sad and pathetic man. You and your followers are probably a band of nerd who are trying to get back at the cheerleader who didn’t look your way but writing chavenistic trash for the world to see. Sad to say that only your small group of hunchbacks are reading this.

    So it’s a small site filled with nerds and hunchbacks who’ve been ignored and rejected by high value women.

    So why not be an understanding woman and “feel their pain” like a good Democrat?

    Why be so bitter about them? They’re aren’t many of them, you’ll never meet them so what’s your problem?

    Read, laugh and move on.

    The first amendment is not meant to protect verbal diarrhea FYI.

    The First Amendment was never meant to protect anything. It’s there to limit the power of the federal government over speech, religion and assembly.

    That has nothing to do with this site since the government isn’t involved here.

    whiskey

    This is why I love women like Amanda posting here. Saying what women think but don’t reveal to men.

    whiskey you like any woman poster who reinforces your gender paranoia, sense of inadequacy in the face of female independence and anxieties about your own status as a dorky beta.

    You are pathologically predisposed to believe the worst about women in order to support your dogmatic biases.

    If a woman came up behind you and said “BOO” you would say – “That’s what I love about women they’re all a bunch of Ghosts no matter how much they pretend not to be. *sigh*”

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  161. on July 21, 2009 at 5:17 am Willard Libby

    Amanda Corsani

    My nerdy ass co worker sent this to me thinking it would teach me how real men view the world. Wrong!

    Amanda Corsani = Jamie Varon

    “nerdy ass co worker” = Carlos Miceli.

    Jamie is the bitter, fat girl Feminist.

    Carlos is her nerdy, possibly faggot, so called friend who is an object of her hidden contempt because he’s merely a low testosterone, beta hipster spastic.

    Right whiskey.

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  162. Amanda Corsani

    Seriously, I think you are a sad and pathetic man. You and your followers are probably a band of nerd who are trying to get back at the cheerleader who didn’t look your way but writing chavenistic trash for the world to see.

    It is always ironic for me to see people bringing up this cheerleader thing. Why do people think getting the cheerleader is such a plum deal?

    Hell, I married a cheerleader (all city majorette, no less), and it was the worst bloody mistake I ever made.

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  163. Welmer the last sentence of your post above is a gem. Any chance you could give us all the capsule version? I am picturing your cheerleader wife as the baton-champion mother of the little blond girl in Tim Burton’s version of “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” (if you were unfortunate enough to have to see that wretched film, as I was).

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  164. — and yes i’m looking at you too gunny, barring your occasional lucid gem

    Gunslinger + comment discipline + punctuation = 21st century Joseph Conrad

    Whiskey: I asked you if you could clarify two things in a recent thread, and you may have missed my questions. They were as follows:

    1) you said that Sweden imports lots of Muslim immigrants because powerful Swedish women like these indomitable third world males. My question to you was: do powerful Swedish men also liek those indomitable third world males?

    2) you said that women want feudalism and aristocracy, which makes them vote Leftist. My question to you was, is this your gut assertion, or can you substantiate this?

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  165. FINALLY SOMETHING USEFULL IN THIS BLOG!

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  166. “some good advice in here, so listen up, kids/hopeless betas. roissy knows.”

    Believe it or not, I’ve learned a lot of “Game” in this blog despite my results being pratically of zero.

    When I go out I’m still trying to focus on inner game, to do this or that correctly, to be in “the right mood” or stuff like that.
    And thus I do not approach.

    When I had longer hair (not much though) and got girls in my circle when I was out, I was approached virtually every night.

    Now, I still bring the cigarettes and distribute them to every girl that comes and asks for them but girls simply ceased to ask for cigarettes 😦

    The last ones to approach me were girls who were really, really drunk. For two months.
    This and the fact that “my ten” doesn’t give me news for a month or so, and I will not be that desperate to call her just to hear her voice or something, is really depressing.

    The last time that I went out I was focused on inner game.
    But then, a friend of mine found a female friend of his. A HB9 of about 19 years old, daughter of one of the best National football players here in the 90s.
    I had already seen her but I had the impression she was a fat 4.

    I was petrified because the 4 was a 9 and despite the fact that she was very “accessible” and nice of a girl, I was so fucking petrified that I did not talked to her at all.
    I was instead giving her creepy stares from head to toe searching for the fat 4 I thought she was.
    But later that night I won 10X what I had bet in the casino and next time I happen to see her, I’ll tell her wether she recognises me, wants to speak to me or not:
    “Hey, you’re A… right?
    Thank you, you gave me lots of luck that night”

    And hopefully some game/conversation will flow from here.
    My goal will not be to fuck her, but just to compensate for the lousy figure I did the other day, I was even rude.

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  167. “I do NOT like to be touched.”

    Me neither. Most of the times, touch/be touched feels so artificial I don’t like it.
    I mean, I like it when a girl touches me, grabs my harm, hugs me… with the hell! Even if she kicks me or pushes me I’ll like it…

    IF it seems natural.
    I don’t like those attention whores who always need to be hugging to someone. They usually are so false.

    And this led me to lose a lot because I don’t kino escalate.
    This blog showed to me the importance of it and the mistake I was making. It doesn’t matter if it’s artificial or not, it’s what the girls want and are expecting and thus, I’ll try to touch them otherwise I’m out.

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  168. Ahahaha at Roissy calling out Doug’s gay and pathetic “flirting”.

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  169. on July 21, 2009 at 9:30 am The Snatch Whisperer

    Spot on post, Roissy.
    The Approach is what so many guys screw up. What you have to keep in mind is that your out there to have FUN. Get your FRAME straight. If your nervous, it shows. Why be nervous, you’re having fun right?
    Number two mistake guys make is engaging the target right away and getting burned by the ‘Mother Hen’ or what I call TDFF, The Designated Fat Friend.
    In military speak, you always take out the most dangerous target first. The one that can do the most damage. So if you apply that to the pick-up, the one who will burn you out of the gate is the MH. Engage her, get her on your side, or at least get her to lower the group shield a bit.
    Don’t go for broke at once. Roissy, you touched on that. False time constraints work. Hey, you’re having too much fun to sit and jawjack with them all night. Talk a bit, make a good impression, keep it light and move the fuck on. Keep an eye on what the target is doing and reengage periodically until you can isolate.
    Remember, this is supposed to be fun.

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  170. It seems to me that part of the “qualifying process” should be to make sure your herpes status is the same as the woman.

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  171. “Please, lurker….BJ’s are earned, not given out.”

    So… Lady… that’s not too lady like. But in case it’s true, I have to tell you that I liked the photo on your avatar.
    Did I earned one?
    Did I earned one?
    Did I earned one?

    … Now more seriosuly, is it true what you say? Is it a matter of “being earned”?
    If so, how come? How does one earns it?

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  172. Fuck, Vino, that was the best “estiga” I’ve heard in a good while.
    Notre Dame, Gargules and that stuff will enter my dictionary from now on.

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  173. @willard- a little harsh on whiskey. seems basically right, but he has had some relationships and lays with women that are his type, so not really fair to pigeonhole him quite like that.

    @dreamin- you should get together with Peter (ironrailsironweights). You are both one-note posters, so you’d get along perfectly, and maybe your glorious natural pelt would compensate him for your herpes.

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  174. “The typical case in which LJBF can escalate to much more is when there was some real impediment to being more than friends in the first place, but not a lack of mutual attraction, even if formerly denied or suppressed.

    E.g. one or both of you were previously in a committed relationship, but then you’re both free or open to change. Esp if you haven’t seen each other in a bit before you do meet again after this change is status occurs.”

    I WANT AN ANSWER.

    Is it fucking possible for a man to raise his status on a girl who LJBFed him?
    Think Neil Strauss and his former high school hotties or something.
    If a guy drastically improves and a plastic girl (assuming she’s not that bitchy) starts to form new horizons, is that possible to happen?
    Especially if the girl know that the guy really loves her. Or will she just throw up with so much love?

    P.S. – The answer you give will not have a great impact on me. I just want to know the truth, just because.

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  175. The litany against fear from Dune is a quote to remember for all ages.

    Just finished the fifth book of Dune again, and I’m reminded of how the Honored Matres use sex as a controlling mechanism. However, Teg notes that both the men and women among the Honored Matres society are deeply disturbed, unable to form true trust or companionship, always seeking the next high. The high is never enough.

    …neither of these two really enjoyed life. The Honored Matre and Muzzafar had forgotten or, most likely, abandoned everything that supported the survival of joyous humans. They probably no longer were capable of finding a real wellspring of joy in their own flesh. Theirs would have to be mostly a voyeur’s existence, the eternal observer, always remembering what it had been like before they had taken the turning into whatever it was they had become. Even when they wallowed in the performance of something that once had meant gratification, they would have to reach for new extremes each time just to touch the edges of their own memories.

    Not a milligram of naivete remained in either of these two. Nothing was expected to surprise them. Nothing could be truly new for them. Still, they plotted and devised, hoping that this extreme would produce the remembered thrill. They knew it would not, of course, and they expected to carry away from the experience only more burning rage out of which to fashion another attempt at the unreachable.

    Though his writing is fiction and fantasy, Frank Herbert saw penetratingly into human nature. He realized the danger of too much stimulation before most people knew about dopamine and neurochemistry. His more famous Harkonnen characters, like the obese old Baron, were all about overindulgence. You who laugh at David Alexander fail to see this insight. The danger of falling into too much expectation is all too easy — for both men and women.

    We should not presume that just because we “evolved” a certain way to do certain things means that we should always follow our instincts. Evolutionary success is not about having the most sex, it’s about producing offspring who will then have other children, which means to raise successful children who themselves grow up to produce children. It’s why parents often want to be grandparents.

    Quoting a series of posts:

    Highly palatable foods and highly potent sexual stimuli “are the only [natural] stimuli capable of activating the dopamine system with anywhere near the potency of addictive drugs. Now you know why diets so often fail and why people have affairs, engage in unprotected sex, or watch porn at work despite the risks. A primitive part of their brain is determined that they not pass up opportunities that were once critical to their ancestors’ survival/reproductive success.

    We don’t realize that we live in an extraordinary period of rare superabundance. Calories and sexual stimuli are plentiful and marketed to our primitive appetites with disquieting effectiveness. Sexually, it’s one big, colorful binge out there, with more intense sexual stimuli, fewer taboos, and widely available birth control. Thanks to our reward circuitry, we assume that if it feels good we should do it, are (perhaps) divinely decreed to do it (at least if married), and will be happier people if we are doing it as often as possible.

    Constant over-stimulation seems to promise greater happiness and satisfaction. However, these loud, deceptive signals can actually undermine both. Chasing after today’s potent array of superstimulation can easily overload our vulnerable reward circuitry. Without realizing why, we may begin to experience withdrawal symptoms, cravings for even more frequent stimulation, and, sometimes, enduring brain changes.

    When we’re out of balance, we’re voracious consumers, but less satisfied humans. Our recurring, urgent sense of lack heavily influences the choices we make–without our conscious awareness.

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  176. on July 21, 2009 at 10:26 am Comment_Whatever

    Real PUA’s, I’d like to ask a question.

    Okay, Approachs are important, I’ve got that. But it seems to me that it would be easier to approach in a less packed/large-set environment, like Tuesday’s through Thursdays. I know most VERY GOOD PUA’s are social, so going through the ‘win the set’ stage is probably fun for you and increases your chance of getting the girl in the approach stage.

    But for the simple purpose of trying to learn how to approach a girl, wouldn’t it be easier for learning PUA’s to approach relatively small sets/single women during the last packed Tuesday-Thursday period. It would also force the student to talk with the girl directly. Sure it’s easier to use the set as ‘cover’ for flirting with her… but that’s timid, as compared to bold. And having to manage the set and the girl at once seems harder than trying to manage a smaller set/just the girl.

    What are the pro’s/con’s of weekend vs. weekday game FOR A BEGINNER.

    Master Dogen

    Guys think “Oh women are always saying they want to get to know a guy first, so I better just chill and show her how cool and alpha I can be,” and as you are chilling, her loins are chilling and next thing you know you are in the friend zone. You can accept failure in getting into a girl’s pants, but you cannot accept a failure to try.

    I agree completely.

    HOWEVER, if you can avoid looking at her like “puppy want a treat”, you can avoid being friend zoned. It’s not easy to use State Control at that level, but it can be done. It’s not so much about ‘bottling up’ it’s about entering another ‘state’ where lust doesn’t EXIST. Work in a low-female field? Activate the ‘professional explaining something to fellow employee’ state, and you are simply in a mental state where lust doesn’t exist. Your emotional/mental toolkit for that ‘mode’ doesn’t have lust in it, therefore there is no lust to control.

    Professional athletes talk about putting their ‘game-face’ on. PUA’s talk about ‘state control’. This is just another mental state. Same principle.

    I’ve done it. It can be done. It’s better if it’s a high-energy state.

    I believe higher energy than the person/group is almost always better?

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  177. Mandy! XD misconstrued, yet again…

    @doug, Firepower, Lucifer, et al:

    At the end, it all comes down to what we value most in life.

    Here, most of you will value the ability to work women, to secure a “feck close.” In fact, most men will….

    I value something else. Intelligence, selfless acts, etc. and I look to personal heroes, not big shot business men, for inspiration and motivation.

    I hate to interrupt your endearingly schmaltzy, Julia Roberts’ acceptance speech Madame President

    BUT, as you can see by scrolling alllll the way to what I actually wrote

    my challenge to you was not on your spunky Zeitgeist – but your ability, qualifications and valuable contribution on assisting males avoid roissy’s “stumbling blocks” as described in his post.

    lilgrl has wisely avoided, (oh, those inscrutable azns) while you have confabulated… a non-response based on emotional muck as females are programmed to.

    at least you had the balls to respond. just wrong-headedly

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  178. @ College boy, Mandy at all

    Stupid Young fucks. You know nothing.
    I know more than you because I am young and already know that I’ll never achieve what I wanted from life.

    And who can? Man always want some more. The important thing is to not stop trying, or you’ll be a kind of DA.

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  179. [email protected]

    Stupid Young fucks. You know nothing.
    I know more than you because I am young and already know that I’ll never achieve what I wanted from life.

    And who can? Man always want some more. The important thing is to not stop trying, or you’ll be a kind of DA.

    That’s actually a pretty insightful comment.
    Fight, Despite

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  180. collegeboy

    Heres the video where lovesystems appears on tyra. it was over all weak [sic], but i though some people from here might like it.

    lots of screaming and bullshit so skip to 2:21

    …and then… after the screaming, crying, whining and bitching from the guests… Tyra’s audience chimed-in.

    lame. Lame. LAME.

    pimping PUA material to a fucking female – and wildly so – audience.

    they must be used to childish screeching – from the posters – on their lameass forum.

    I’ve never encountered such clueless children, unrepentantly, unswervingly adamant in the ‘correctness’ of their errors. That’s how the Hitler Youth conducted their winning operation. But, you lucky few – they (and all other pua children-choadsites) are what drew me to the shining beacon of Enlightenment that is this salon of discourse. haha

    btw, The mods are fit only to recommend suitable Pokemon card trading strategy – and WoW tips. i bet they enjoy the incessant kiddie shit now that they’ve driven intelligent posters to places such as here, but they’re too busy changing their own diapers to care.

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  181. Why are you guys feeding the troll called Mandy XD?

    This is a cunt who thinks criminals have the right to steal your stuff, and if you complain about it, you’re a whiny bitch who should get over it.

    This is a cunt who disrepsects her own grandfather in public.

    This is a cunt who thinks if you criticize Nobama, you must be a racist.

    Honestly, you guys devolve into betahood because she pretends to be a 17 year old non-fat chick?

    Get a grip, betas, she’s as logical as Lady Cumstaine.

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  182. “Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. ”

    The converse is even truer:

    Women will never, ever, ever forgive you if you didn’t get the hint when they wanted to seduce you.

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  183. any woman with an iota of sense would realize she as a woman has nothing to add to the game tips portions of this blog.

    you don’t see rabbits giving hawks advice on how to eat them

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  184. @Amanda “The first amendment is not meant to protect verbal diarrhea FYI.”

    The 1st Amendment is designed exactly to protect speech that some view as verbal diarrhea. You don’t need a 1st Amendment to protect the speech that everybody agrees with.

    You could use some interpretation of original intent to argue that non-political speech isn’t protected.

    As for what men really think, this site is a very selected sample, and it’s not therefore likely to be representative of what most men think. But it does give you insight into some things that some men think but don’t tell you.

    If nothing else, this site gives you information that allows you to screen out men you don’t want. So if a dude rolls up and insults your hairstyle, you can end the conversation quickly and get on with your night.

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  185. Dana: Quite a good analogy, if it doesn’t necessarily back up to the scrutiny of your point. If the rabbits could speak hawk and were willing into telling the hawks exactly when they came out, where their hideouts were AND so on, there would be very happy hawks.

    Have recently set up a shy friend with a PUA-type [match made in heaven] and got called a 9/10 by him for the help I gave. Left them to it but he’s been asking for me to help some more because it’s been valuable.

    All from reading here, all from learning by observation, all making me capable of giving future input.

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  186. @dana- i read the paglia chapter. the nature/civilzation thing you referenced was completely subordinated to the male-female, dom-sub frame. that’s her shtick, i guess. i didn’t know much about her other than her rep in the msm as an apostate feminist, which doesn’t exactly fit. aside from shoehorning much of literature/history into a gender narrative that doesn’t usually fit, the hypereducated name-dropping is a little irritating. but it was an interesting read. thanks. will get to the left/fascist one later on.

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  187. bhetti-i have no idea what you just wrote

    maurice–namedropping is a substitute for explaining thinker’s whole system of thought when you presume your audience is familiar

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  188. @dana- i got that, but that namedropping shorthand can (not always) be a convenient backdoor for some serious intellectual dishonesty. citing one aspect of a thinker’s system of thought while ignoring/contradicting others. there’s more to rousseau, for example, than earth-mother worship. (and what the hell is “chthonian” ? earthy? or some word she invented to describe some gender polarity? maybe it’s a word i should know, but, never having read much of that kind of thing, never encountered. chthon=earth.)

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  189. @dana- i think bhetti’s analogy would work better if the hawks didn’t eat=kill the rabbits, but fucked them and made them happy. why not give/learn tips ? i agree with your point that there’s not much they can add, but i understand why women get a lot out of the male/game poitn of view.

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  190. I met Camille Paglia once. VERY nice lady, but incredibly hyper. Talks very fast. But she has a really pleasant demeanor that puts one at ease.

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  191. Excuse me, I lived and breathed Cheerleading and Field Hockey for most of my life.

    Translation: ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME blahblahblah

    So he thinks cheerleaders are overrated. Not every last minute observation requires an argument.

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  192. I love this opener from the Love Systems Routines Manual:

    “Hey, my best friend just died… How long should I wait before I sleep with his girlfriend?”

    Awesome.

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  193. on July 21, 2009 at 3:33 pm Gunslingergregi

    ””””””PA
    — and yes i’m looking at you too gunny, barring your occasional lucid gem

    Gunslinger + comment discipline + punctuation = 21st century Joseph Conrad”””””””””’

    Thanks Bro,
    I guess I earned a perfect score for writing on act then, back when I used sentence structure and periods he he he

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  194. on July 21, 2009 at 4:23 pm Willard Libby

    Being an Asshole/Negging Her

    As much as the neg is talked about as a critical component of game, you’d think it would be second nature to most aspiring PUAs. But it isn’t. There are some guys I’ve seen in the field, who despite encyclopedic knowledge of game, never remember to throw out that all-important value-lowering neg on girls who need them (i.e. hot chicks).

    The problem with this for me is I’m not a warm and inviting guy to begin with. Any woman who doesn’t know me is not going to respond well to me at first sight.

    I’m a generally cold, hateful and analytical person to begin with. Plus, I’m not a pleasant looking guy at all. Not necessarily ugly, but not pleasant looking.

    So I’m not going to do much that will make her any more uncomfortable than she already is in my presence.

    The negging might work for guys who are cute or have that non threatening beta/herb look and demeanor.

    I would only neg a woman who already knows me and knows I am mean but generally harmless.

    Try this: “Hey you’ve got a cool sense of style… especially that 1960s retro haircut, like my Mom’s.” Or one of my all-time personal favorites: “You’re trying too hard.”

    But this kind of interaction is like boxing. When you throw a punch you are more open to a counter.

    So you neg her hair and clothes and she criticizes yours.

    You say – “You’re trying too hard.”

    She says – “Obviously, I’m not trying hard enough because your still here bothering me.”

    Tough, witty girls can do that. Any woman who can be manipulated by negging from a stranger is too weak for my tastes.

    For me negging et al is only to be used with women who are partly in on the joke, so to speak, and who know me.

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  195. i’m not sure if I have any insight on negging, Willard, but if you’ll indulge me I’ll think out loud.

    I neg my girlfriend constantly.

    Push and pull is a huge part of our interplay. (I know PA hates the word play, and thinks everything has to be consistent and real all the time, but I disagree).

    But my negs are a way of proclaiming “I have complete confidence that I own you, and my care for you transcends my anger. I have no fear that you will not know how much I love you, you fucking stupid bitch”.

    When I spank her ass, it’s the same. It’s a proclamation of ownership and confidence. Hell, I can even slap her face during rough sex. It’s not like she’ll feel afronted, as if I’m telling her she’s a bad person and I don’t like her.

    The trick to the neg is to genuinely like the bitch. Even if you hate her.

    She’ll catch on, right quick, if it’s your actual attitude. It’s not what you say, it’s how you feel when you say it. If you are completely confident that you are the man, she’ll feel honored that you deigned to insult her.

    It’s a male indication of interest.

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  196. Maybe that’s the reason the neg is so effective. It shows that the way your mind works is not either/or. Madonna/whore. Good girl/bad girl. You can laugh at her and want to fuck her at the same time. Hate her and love her, without a hint of contradiction. Your mind is not going back and forth, but envelopes the whole scene, all at once.

    Nuther words, you’ve got a sense of humor. It’s not so serious, and you can afford to laugh at her. Just that confidence that even though she is insulted, you find it funny – that’s attractive – it shows you are not stuck in small minded thinking.

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  197. And maybe that’s why women always proclaim that they want a man with a sense of humor. It’s needed in order to embrace her inner contradictions.

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  198. @xsplat:

    I think it also makes things more comfortable. Nothing’s more relaxing than a really, really good laugh.

    Laughter triggers endorphins.

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  199. There is a girl I work with who decided that I was going to be her workplace confidant. Apparently, I being the only guy in the place am also the only person in the place who will tell her what he actually thinks.

    Anyhow, she recently reveled a few things. One is that she had cheated on her newly ex-boyfriend for the first year they were together. Another is that her “five” is actually spelled “eight” by men.

    Without using the exact wording, I told her she was a skank whore slut, but in a friendly way you know. She acts all shocked and surprised and always comes back for more.

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  200. “The problem with this for me is I’m not a warm and inviting guy to begin with. ”

    Not to go too far defending the whole PUA thing, but that’s why they tell you to smile real big all the time.

    It’s true; you get away with a lot more if you say things while smiling.

    I find that the things I say take on different meaning even in my own head if I smile before I say them.

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  201. Mandy

    I think it also makes things more comfortable.

    Ya, it makes things more comfortable. Women are maddening. Unless you can laugh at them, your head will explode.

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  202. “[editor: hello nicole/kthulah]”

    Please, don’t squeal Nicole at every crackpot flower child of flower children. It’s insulting.

    I think you’re both self soothing about the realities of status.

    Wouldn’t you love to have the ability to eliminate anyone anywhere who wronged you?

    Would you like to have the ability to acquire anything you want?

    …any kind of car, house, woman (even a truly good one), whatever?

    Imagine, for a moment, what that would be like.

    Then tell yourself again that you don’t really want those things.

    You can live without them.

    Doing what it would take to get those things might require violating some…some principle.

    Heh.

    The truth is that neither of you has the nuts for it.

    When you have the tools, you use them. When you don’t, you tell yourselves pretty lies.

    I prefer not to lie to myself or anyone else about these things. Soon, I may not even be able to lie about them by omission anymore.

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  203. , it makes things more comfortable. Women are maddening. Unless you can laugh at them, your head will explode

    if there is one thing that women search for in a men that no men suspects is a good sense of humour.

    women themselves do not have any sense of humour. I have never laughed of any intentional action of a girl, it has always been involuntarily. and the ability of making girls laugh completely disarms them

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  204. Also, about laughter, one component is that people laugh louder when the jokes are told by superiors.

    George Carlin or Steve Martin in their prime had the material and delivery, but they also were alpha in that material and delivery. That was a big component in the gut wrenching laughter they could induce. They had the power. They had the authority. No one who gave in thought themselves weak or had second doubts – the laugh masters owned them.

    My GF laughs more and more at what I say lately. It’s not that I’m getting funnier. It’s that she assume my leadership position more, and gives in, and enjoys.

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  205. on July 22, 2009 at 12:27 am Lawyer from Hell

    [email protected]

    Dude, just remember how Kenny died in “The Ring” that’s all I’m saying

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  206. on July 22, 2009 at 5:30 am Sebastian Flyte

    Too much comfort phase and sharing before sex is a big one too. Proper comfort phase should be 50% attraction material and 50% comfort material. Over-rapport, to the point of tear-pools, is death to seduction. Mystery is key.

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  207. Being blunt and assertive will get you nowhere. Aggressive but not too much and realize that you’ve got nothing to lose and everything to gain by asking her out for a dinner and a movie. The worst thing she could do is say “No”. Keep on trying and don’t let rejection put you down.

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  208. Lawyer from hell: LOOL BJs are not that deadily.

    And besides, Kenny always died. My (ridiculous) catch phrase to the ladies is “You’re with me, You’re with God”. I never die. At least, before the right time.

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  209. on July 23, 2009 at 9:19 am The Snatch Whisperer

    @ Jack Reed

    Dinner and a movie? Please, dude. Lamest advice ever.

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  210. I catch on when a guy is putting on the moves and play along for a little while. Ultimately I have better things to do than give in to some guy who doesn’t want a relationship with me and who might have any given STD. It’s bad game when the person says they want to “hang out” rather than say something about a “date” so you know what’s up.

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  211. Reading the blog for an hour or so. I have always been curious about these seduction techniques, but, after reading a bit, it seems nothing more than a formalized system for nerds to try to build up their confidence with girls, as well as a formalization of looking at women as objects…as if laying out the laws makes it somehow better.

    I’m a pretty good looking guy and I don’t think it would be hard to have sex with 1000s of women…but who would want to? I mean, that’s disgusting.

    Also, statistically speaking, if you live your life this way, there is absolutely no chance that you aren’t infected with a chronic STD.

    Getting women can be frustrating but the people who follow this blog seem to have tricked themselves into thinking that numbers are what’s fulfilling–it’s not. It’s not even a challenge. The challenge is getting into a long-term relationship with that ONE out of a million who is giving to light up your life. It’s hard as hell, risky, requires a lot of luck–and vulnerability–and can also end fruitlessly. It’s a much scarier proposition than going out to a bar and hitting on every girl there until one comes home with you.

    So when you want to become a man, give it a shot.

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  212. ””””””Mark
    The challenge is getting into a long-term relationship with that ONE out of a million who is giving to light up your life.””””””””””””””’

    See but if your not lucky that might take a million woman in your case if that one is the millionth one. If it is digusting having a 1000. Then how the hell are you gonna find your dream woman.

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  213. And what if you goal is to find 7 of those dream woman he he he

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  214. Let me tell you something: As a guy who has never had a problem attracting females, your hard-ass approach to “seduction” reeks of a kind of pathetic fanaticism. Like, you are so intimidated by women, you need to come up with some asinine “system of seduction” to approach them.

    Relax. Be yourself. The only valuable thing I see from the system is a reinforcement of the idea that you can’t be a push-over.

    Correct.

    No one likes a weakling.

    The rest is stupid; bargain basement pseudo-psychology that, I would guess, is essentially a placebo.

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  215. I would never go to your apartment, period. This is one of the worst blogs I’ve visited. So many incredible men out there…women like me (the ones that are worth something) can detect little losers like you immediately; the only women you will get are the easy ones. Have a good life.

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