The Power Of Game: From Hello To Kiss In Ten Minutes

Nothing better illustrates the game-changing power of game than a real life, unscripted video of a guy using it on a girl he just met and making out with her within ten minutes. Watch this video and behold the future of the West:

I will now break down his game and how he was able to so effortlessly achieve what the mediocre masses of betas imagine is impossible.

0:08 He comes in at an angle so as not to activate her proximity bitch shield.

0:14 Direct opener. “Excuse me can I tell you something? I just saw you and I love your style.” Remember, direct openers should usually be followed with a neg or a similar disqualification to avoid insta-betatization.

0:20 Neg: “You don’t often see people dressed like you.” See how a neg works Conor Friedersdorf? It’s not an insult. It’s a sly backhanded compliment. Do try and keep up.

0:42 His first kino. (He grazes her belly with his fingertip.)

0:42 – 2:00 He makes small talk with her by appealing to her cultural pride. He builds a connection by talking about matrushka dolls and the fable of Anastasia. This would be a good time to point out that she is yet another naturally slender, cute Russian chick.

Body language update: Note how he gesticulates with lots of open palm gestures. This is designed to bypass her threat detection system. Important for daytime street game.

2:00 He asks her name. That’s two minutes in, not five seconds in like so many guys are apt to do.

2:50 She goes to shake his hand and he denies her in favor of a fist bump. Formality reframe. He is also able to get a lot of kino this way. Notice his hand on her upper arm at 3:05.

3:32 When they shake hands he turns his hand over hers. Minor dominance signal.

3:45 He begins role playing. Note how he assumes the sale.

4:20 He coaxes a “preliminary kiss” out of her. This lowers her guard for the later makeout which will then seem normal to her.

4:40 He talks about his best friend, “an English girl named Sarah” he met, and how meeting her was similar to his meeting Masha now. Preselection and remote social proof.

5:02 “You seem like a nice friendly person.” — Sincere compliment, rapport building. “I’m a nice friendly person.” Tip: Giving a girl a sincere compliment is a slight DLV (demonstration of lower value), which is why he immediately tempers it with a somewhat cocky followup.

5:10 He begins disqualifying himself as a suitor. “If we met just now we could still be friends.” Disqualification short circuits a girl’s natural coyness.

5:00 – 6:00 He tells travel stories about himself. This is a low key demonstration of higher value.

6:30 He casually checks his phone in the middle of talking to her. This is a calculated game move. Alphas act distracted.

Body language update: He stands his ground well. He doesn’t fidget or alter his positioning on the sidewalk.

6:44 Major IOI. She strokes her hair while talking to him. I guarantee he took note of it.

7:10 She asks him about his cell phone interruptions, and he says “don’t worry about it” and continues gaming without further explanation. Solid dominance frame.

7:39 He touches her hair. Critical kino escalation.

7:55 Another major IOI from the girl. She asks him where he was going. The pickup is now his to lose.

8:05 He initiates number close sequence.

8:20 He holds his hands out, palm up. This is a move of vulnerability and openness to elicit accelerated feelings of comfort. Then he paces his future actions by telling her “I was going to do something crazy”. Future pacing is a very specific game tactic.

8:37 “Don’t be afraid of me”. Big warm smile. “Do you feel afraid by just holding my hands?” By saying this he subliminally taps into every woman’s desire for an unpredictable, possibly dangerous man.

8:42 “Do you know how to say it’s like it’s crazy for people to just kiss on the street?” Remember, logical coherent sentences are not required for gaming chicks. This is another example of reality pacing. By describing the world he’s taking her into, she becomes more susceptible to following him.

8:50 “How cool would it be if we just kissed right now.” He boxes her in. If she doesn’t kiss him now, she’s not cool.

9:00 “Just for a minute.” Bam! Kiss close.

9:40 (40 seconds later) That wasn’t a kiss close, it was a tonguedown close.

9:45 “Alright we’ll try it again some other time.” He doesn’t linger. Crucial! Get her good and lubed and then LEAVE her wanting more.

9:52 She says “You’ll promise you’ll text me, right?” She’s putty in his hands.

******

What a clinic. Nearly everything this guy did was a specifically designed game technique for the purpose of attracting women. This video has inspired me once again. Steady dating has sapped me of my motivation to hit on women. It’s natural for a man to fall into a comfort zone; the secure, unjostled, placid existence of the relationship herb. The raging fire slowly flickers to a warm ember. Watching videos of pickups and friends game in real life whips the dying flames back into an inferno.

I write a lot about how game can strengthen relationships and marriages, but there is also a dark side to game. It gives men options. And options mean instability. A guy with tight game may just decide “working on the relationship” is a fool’s errand, or worse, an act of beta supplication, and it’s more fun anyhow to replace and renew with fresh pussy. Game should make all women very uncomfortable about their position in relationships, for a man with game will have the confidence, and the skills, to walk away on the flimsiest pretext knowing that an ocean of women is available to him. And nothing reinvigorates a man’s soul like meeting, and making out with, brand spanking new girls on the sidewalk.





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  1. If fugly dudes like this can score, then why the fuck can’t I get laid…

    shit has to fake, no way a fugly dude like that gets laid

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  2. Most of these videos are crap, but this one is very good. And he does it with that horrible, horrible hair along with a very noticably pot belly. Wow. Good stuff.

    I can hear girls defending themselves now…”but he was so interesting and engaging.”

    if guys get better and better at this and girls keep on falling for it in “you-go-girl-have-some-fun” style…this west is heading to an interesting place.

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  3. That’s awesome! Great summary.

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  4. Textbook game. Guys take note; you do not need good looks to get girls. 🙂

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  5. …not to mention tight pants.

    I guarantee you she walked away smiling and replaying the conversation in her head.

    She probably is also under the impression he had no malicious design, (i..e sexual ulterior motive), when he approached her. I used to be naive that way as well. It all felt so spontaneous and chance!

    His appearance is immaterial. The fact that he made her feel special, but not too special by means of his charm is key.

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  6. This was a clinic. As you alluded to, I was most impressed by the fact that he didn’t fidget or shuffle around. The hands were very important in his Game. He didn’t play with his face, put them in his pocket, or try to hide them. This opens up a whole new can of worms for me wrt body language observation.

    He didn’t move an inch on the sidewalk away from his staked out position. There were a couple of times by-passers bumped into him w/o his noticing. I’m sure the girl took note of his intensity and concentration on her instead of being distracted. He was treating her like she was the only person in his world for those several minutes. Of course, this could always be interpreted as creepy (if she was American I’m not sure how well this would have worked), but he pwned it by disarming her on several occasions.

    One thing I’ll note that would be difficult for many men to replicate is his random babbling. This is the hardest for guys who just don’t knwo what to talk about. This guy shows you can talk about anything. And he also keeps the spotlight on her, rather than spilling every last detail about himself. He brings her in intimately by talking about the ways of the British, which shines on *him*, but not directly. It’s an intimization without personalization if that makes sense.

    Great study.

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  7. sick video

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  8. That was kinda romantic.

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  9. TimX

    If fugly dudes like this can score, then why the fuck can’t I get laid…

    shit has to fake, no way a fugly dude like that gets laid

    Girls want to have fun.

    They respond to guys that can give them fun far more than to looks. Looks matter if they do at all mostly for bragging rights with girl friends and then all sorts of other things can trump them. Guy’s looks just aren’t that important, esp. once girls stop being young teens and/or start having sex.

    This guy played her foreignness just right, and then turned it into playful conspiracy with her to act crazy with him, for fun. I.e. have a right long snog right in the middle of a busy London street.

    Still the girl was delightfully open and adventurous. Not all girls would be that open to even this good game. Still most would respond to a large degree.

    Getting a girl into conspiracy mode with you is just dynamite. Teammates doing a bit, or a lot, of shocking of others. Fun.

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  10. Dreamer–

    Somehow Dreamer I feel you responding exactly like that red headed Russian girl. A bit shy at first, but very fresh and ultimately adventurous.

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  11. Can’t argue w/the “clinc”-but I do have a question though:

    Why is it so necessary to get a “kiss close” and/or a “same night lay”; why is making out within say, 15 minutes of first meeting so very important to so many of you? I personally don’t do that at all, and have found that it doesn’t tend to foster more longer term associations. But that’s just me, and admittedly I have a different style and way of doing things in this regard.

    I’m just asking. Holla back.

    The Obsidian

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  12. Not only did the usage of tight game from this video made it impressive, but the fact that anyone can tell this guy used to be a beta makes it even more impressive.

    he studied his game down to a tee. I really liked how he roleplayed. he faces to the left like if there was a crowd of real people and puts his hand on her back, “this is marsha this is…”and introducing her. as if he was reliving a moment that may have been real. This is at 3:51 .

    he already knew she was going to kiss him. but what really set it for him was at 8:25. she grips his hand right back. very tight.

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  13. His non-verbal communication/body language is rock solid. He doesn’t fidget or shuffle. He moves languidly and most importantly comes across completely relaxed even when gesticulating for emphasis.

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  14. Low-income Kids Report First Sexual Intercourse At 12 Years Of Age In New National Study

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090817142855.htm

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  15. Part of the reason this might have worked so well is because she is an outsider in a new place and it might have been comforting to meet someone so friendly out of the blue.

    I’m not sure if this would’ve worked on a native Londoner, but hey, it’s worth a try, right?

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  16. Dreamer: “That was kinda romantic”

    Yeah, that’s kind of the point.

    A pickup should be memorable and romantic, something a girl will look back on in a positive light. More videos like this would go a long way towards improving the public’s perception of Game.

    Pre-game, my strategy was to talk to 10 girls in an hour and tell them all within 5 minutes that you’re looking to fuck tonight. I was a much bigger sleazeball than I am now.

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  17. I’m going to try to make a big point. Jonah Goldberg in his recent book “Liberal Fascism” writes that dogma is an antidote to follishness (the most powerful inhibiting influence against bad idea). Dogma, then, is like a sort of math proof. For example, per a simple basic math proof, if you adding a list of positive numbers, the sum CAN’T be less than any on of the numbers in the list. It just can’t. Doesn’t matter if all the steps “felt right.” You did something wrong. Check that shit.

    Here in the west, with regard to courtship, and to a great extent overall, we have rejected dogma. At the very least we have rejected Christian dogma on courtship. We have replaced it, probably, with a new dogma, of which CH perhaps is an early catechist. But major stances have yet to be determined. And who knows if it can last –apre moi and all that.

    Meanwhile, in a muslim culture, in China, in Argentina if I’m reading Roosh and other things right, there’s no way ever no how that you could game a girl into a kiss less than ten minutes after meeting on the street like this. They still have some semblance of traditional, if not Christian, dogma. Only sluts, whores, or skanky prostitutes would let a foreign tongue in their mouth that soon. The dogmatic/math-proof thought would occur to them –forcefully, just before the kiss, “uh, what am I doing; this is wrong; I don’t know why but it’s just wrong…”STOP PLEASE.””

    Now assuming there was a point to the traditional courtship dogma in the first place, and, in the interest of disclosure, i think there was, what we have here in the west is a cultural stripping of women of basic defenses. Dogma is a way to say no to game LISTEN TO THIS PART IT’S IMPORTANT AND WILL BE ON THE TEST –Dogma is a way to say no to game without even knowing, let alone articulating, a reason. You raise a girl without that defense system, she’s pimp-meat; pole-possible. Unless, of course, she’s a unique and precious genius snowflake who ‘just wouldn’t do that.’

    What if it was “cool” to do that?

    Game will be self-correcting. Like the Hundred Years War. Like the Clintons. Like the Black Plague. No one left to fight. No one left to lie to. Bring out your dead.

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  18. on August 19, 2009 at 2:10 pm time to delurk

    I can’t take it any more. I have to delurk to say…doug quit the godawful flirting. Its so fucking bad. Its really not making you look good. Between that embarrassing flirting, Obsidian’s inability to ever let any argument go, aoefe talking about puppies and worst of all, Gunslinger’s stream of consciousness spam comment quality has really gone down here.

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  19. It was his to lose at 00:32, when she flips her hair and starts qualifying herself to him.

    The other 8 1/2 minutes are just commentary.

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  20. @ Obsidian:

    The obsession with kiss closes and same-night lays comes from former AFC types being enthralled with their new powers. There really isn’t anything overly satsfying intself about it.

    I agree with you though, better to get new girls number and then fuck old girl that day and work on new girl later.

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  21. Chuck:

    Of course, this could always be interpreted as creepy (if she was American I’m not sure how well this would have worked),

    Good point

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  22. Obsidian

    Kiss closes are better cause a number is just a number. If you kiss close you’re more often going to get more from her than if you just number close.

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  23. on August 19, 2009 at 2:13 pm Willard Libby

    ….unscripted video of a guy…

    Seems transparently fake to me.

    Hideously ugly guy and his buddy hire a friend of a friend/prostitute? to create some street theater video tape it and put it on YouTube.

    Yipeeeee.

    I watched for a minute. Anything more of an ugly guy with an ugly English accent is over my limit.

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  24. American girl would’ve ducked his approach and kept walking 9 out of 10 times.

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  25. Obs:

    Why is it so necessary to get a “kiss close” and/or a “same night lay”; why is making out within say, 15 minutes of first meeting so very important to so many of you? I personally don’t do that at all, and have found that it doesn’t tend to foster more longer term associations.

    Most celibate losers jump with joy at the acquisition of ANY kind of female attentions that isn’t “Get lost creep”. Even if it’s a kiss.

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  26. “It’s natural for a man to fall into a comfort zone; the secure, unjostled, placid existence of the relationship herb. The raging fire slowly flickers to a warm ember.”

    There. Thank you. That’s the challenge of the LTR: how to keep it fresh and not get too comfortable, to not become betaized.

    “Game should make all women very uncomfortable about their position in relationships, for a man with game will have the confidence, and the skills, to walk away on the flimsiest pretext knowing that an ocean of women is available to him.”

    Yes, that’s the dark side of game’s effect on the LTR. But at the same time, when the woman in the LTR can readily see the alpha in her man, much of the need to “work on the relationship” evaporates and the temptation for the guy to walk away isn’t there to the same degree. As much as tight game might tempt one away from the relationship, it gives both more of what each wants in that very relationship at the same time. It’s somewhat self-cancelling, if that makes any sense. Having tight game in the LTR removes some of the interest in having tight game to get out of the LTR.

    Note I’m talking about monogamy here. Backdoor Man or others might want tight game for both within and outside the LTR.

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  27. O:

    just talking about the video, it’s important because it gives credence to what he’s doing. it’s an immediate relation of his work. this type of pick-up’s main benefit is that it leaves this indelible mark on the woman. this type of pick-up works because so much is crammed into so little a period of time. she’s leaving the interaction saying “what the fuck just happened?” that feeling gets any pussy wet. it’s a whirlwind that probably highlighted her month. the brief meeting that culminates in some sort of act that she thought she’d never do is the key. as a side note, some of my most amazing intimate encounters have had the sentence “Wow, I never thought we’d be doing this” or “Who would have seen this coming?” sprinkled in.

    i agree with your underlying point though, the immediate number close or kiss is too focused upon. As we were on the same page the other day about this wrt foreign women/American women, the slow percolation of attraction is just as good.

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  28. Tommy
    “American girl would’ve ducked his approach and kept walking 9 out of 10 times.”

    More like 999 of 1000, BUT what he does with the conversation once he gets it is still gold.

    I don’t think street pickups would work in most major American cities, but in American grocery stores, parks or even subways…game on.

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  29. Kiss close on DAY street approach….. very impressive. I’ve never tried because I thought it was just about impossible. His game was tight but I do think the qualities of the girl (fun and spontaneous, bored at the moment, had time to kill, new in town, etc.) helped a lot.

    “Remember, logical coherent sentences are not required for gaming chicks.”

    Every now and then I get an email from a guy that says, “Dude your line is not grammatically correct!!” Yeah but it works so…

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  30. S. blurted:

    I guarantee you she walked away smiling and replaying the conversation in her head.

    sheez. not everybody’s easy.

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  31. on August 19, 2009 at 2:21 pm Willard Libby

    The Horror

    Low-income Kids Report First Sexual Intercourse At 12 Years Of Age In New National Study

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090817142855.htm

    The title doesn’t match the content of the article.

    It found that among nearly 1,000 low-income families in three major cities, one in four children between the ages of 11 and 16 reported having sex, with their first sexual intercourse experience occurring at the average age of 12.77.

    So the study found that 75% of low income kids in the survey have NOT had sex by age 16.

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  32. Conor Friedersdorf is such a fag

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  33. His game was tight but I do think the qualities of the girl (fun and spontaneous, bored at the moment, had time to kill, new in town, etc.) helped a lot.

    Not to mention Russian. They really like direct game.

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  34. i think every woman, secretly or not-so, wants this to happen to them on a daily basis. they *want* a guy who can transport them to another world, give them something they’ve never had before. they want to be swept. when they reject any of us, it’s not because they hate us personally; they hate the fact that our certain qualities indicate we won’t provide that for them.

    there’s such a build up of this urge in american women that they come off as cold bitches when that dream is thwarted (as it always is). Russians and eastern europeans have no grand fantasies like this. Their parents struggled through “The Communism” and only cared about getting food and hot water. They didn’t have time to worry about fairy tales. Foreign girls love this stuff just as much as any other, as the Russian in the video does, but they aren’t so disappointed when it *doesn’t* happen since they have no grand expectations.

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  35. Girls play games
    boys play game

    — just a thought

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  36. Neg: “You don’t often see people dressed like you.” See how a neg works Conor Friedersdorf? It’s not an insult. It’s a sly backhanded compliment. Do try and keep up.

    Is that really a neg though? Especially since he prefaced it with “I love your style.” I don’t think it registered as a backhanded compliment to her in any way.

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  37. Question about video’s authenticity..

    http://www.rsdnation.com/node/130617?page=1#comment-476572

    It seems real, but I did also wonder about the camera, as its on the sidewalk with them and not across the street.

    When he went for the kiss, he basically asked for it, something that would punish most men even if they did it on a drunk chick in a bar. Explanation could have been that she was particular horny.

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  38. you guys never heard of London -Soul- he is the day game master.

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  39. -Roosh-

    I would have thought you had heard of PUA Soul.
    He is pretty well known for his day game- a daytime kiss close on the street for Soul is pretty much par for the course.

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  40. yep. a really good-looking guy fresh from Slumdog Millionaire picking up tarts who may or may not be paid

    incredible

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  41. Obsidian:

    Why is it so necessary to get a “kiss close” and/or a “same night lay”

    Because the longer you wait, the more time you have to do something wrong and get nothing. Sometimes the girl is also only interested in you because she is drunk and will realize her mistake the next day. Or she could be snapped up by someone else by the time you talk to her again.

    I would never forgive myself for not pouncing on a possible same night lay if any of the above happened, and that is quite likely, at least at my level of game.

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  42. Roosh

    When he went for the kiss, he basically asked for it, something that would punish most men even if they did it on a drunk chick in a bar. Explanation could have been that she was particular horny.

    So, scientifically speaking, what percentage of probability do you give that it’s unscripted?

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  43. I fucking love this guy! A clinic on how it’s done. Damn, it makes me want to head on up to Hollywood Boulevard right now (where the tourists are) and see if I can shake the rust off my street game.

    As far as doubts about the authenticity go, if it’s fake, the acting is really, really good, especially on her part. It’s clearly not scripted, and improv is a hell of a lot harder than you might think. So I think it’s real. Of course . . . I also think this wasn’t the first girl he tried this with during this filming, either. But we all knew that.

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  44. That video right there was a proven fake by puawatchdog.

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  45. While i have never kiss closed a street pickup, i have kiss closed girls i met during the day later on- -while we were on an instadate.

    Meet and talk to a girl in any store for a few minutes, then ask her to a coffee shop or a local bar, if she follows you to another venue- -then you can kiss her.

    i have done this at least 3 times this year in NYC.

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  46. This is real solid, textbook Day Game.

    Real methodical.

    Excellent target selection (one of the most important aspects).

    What should have he done different?

    He should have invited her (or told her) to go somewhere else: grab a cocktail, cruise in a park, or check out an art gallery and really G’d it up.

    He probably could have got a blower or shaker in the park or his crib.

    Advanced G tip:

    When you smell blood, go for the kill, not a number.

    – MPM

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  47. Game in BK

    i have done this at least 3 times this year in NYC.

    In New York – and no HEP-B?

    you must either be
    Superman or
    a carrier

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  48. More in regards to going for the kill, when blood is in the water:

    I have found that many times when you get a girl “under the ether” like this, and let her go, she returns back to her “normal reality” and you can lose the fish.

    Sort of a “fish on”, “fish off” situation, so to speak.

    Club the fish.

    Either way, this kind of activity is a great momentum builder and lead generator going into the beautiful evil that the nighttime brings.

    – MPM

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  49. Kissing a cute girl (same day) i met at a book store or an organic supermarket sounds safer than some girl I got to kiss after meeting her at a bar.

    Either way I’m clean as a whistle.

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  50. I think this:

    Part of the reason this might have worked so well is because she is an outsider in a new place and it might have been comforting to meet someone so friendly out of the blue.

    …and this:

    the qualities of the girl (fun and spontaneous, bored at the moment, had time to kill, new in town, etc.) helped a lot.

    must have been a big part of it, because the guys is scary-looking. If it were not for his very soft tone and welcoming manner, he would be extremely intimidating. And perhaps that he had a unique look, like her, helped with his appeal.

    But, when he took her hand, I felt scared! It was too much. That would have sincerely scared me with someone I just met on the street. If we had dinner or coffee later and he did that, maybe.

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  51. Do we really want to live in a society in which girls are “kiss-closed” in 10 minutes or less on a public sidewalk? DO WE REALLY? Is this the future of the West that he talks about? To me it sounds like a bad sci fi flick scenario with a horror-like ending. It’s made all the worse by the fact that the girl is Russian (today’s sexual slave-trade victims is dominated by their girls/women) and the guy is from an immigrant group in Britain. I find it amazing how badly middle eastern and south asian men behave in Euro societies when in their own societies they implement draconian measures to protect their own women. I guess that makes Euro people the suckers. After all don’t our women just ask for it? No 10 minute kiss closes in their societies because their women are for marriage while Euro women are to be the whores. There is certainly one truth I have come to understand – vast majority of today’s white men are the true betas of the world. Who else invites other men to actively ‘game’ their own women with no consequences? The society described here is not a a stable society. It may be a fun society for a few years – for some, but eventually it will be dominated by psychopaths, sociopaths, ethnic gangs, transnational mafias, common criminals, crooks, frauds, etc. Your women will be enslaved and your men will be castrated. It will be like Russia today amplified. Good luck.

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  52. Thanks collegeboy, I’ll vote fraudulent as well.

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  53. Interestingly, the last two pick-up posts showed a target who was visiting a foreign country (the Italian in a DC bar and the Russian here.)

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  54. Top — What do you propose? Men cannot with women having their own freedom and lives, do anything. This is EXACTLY what women want. What, you’ll propose a group of men come around and beat the holy hell out of the guy and rebuke the woman?

    Feminists would scream for the men to be in prison, pronto, for violating the right of the woman to live her own life. ONLY Muslim/non-White men can act that way, according to the laws of the West, because that is how women want it.

    Of course women want thugs, mafias, criminals, crooks, frauds, psychopaths, sociopaths. They are “exciting!” [Not all women, but probably most want this.]

    White men did not “invite” men from other societies to “game” their women. Rather, freedom for Western women has been part and parcel of Western society, though with limits and controls (mostly older Western women who rode herd on the younger ones). That’s eroded, in the anonymous, contraceptive, and high earning for women Western World, so women do as they please with no restrictions.

    And they reliably want thugs, mafias, crooks, and criminals. Or the appropriate level for their socio-economic status. That’s all there is to it. Adapt or Sodini.

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  55. Someone suggested that running Day Game on the subway is a good thing-having done it myself, I don’t advocate it. Not a very good idea as a rule.

    As for going for the kiss-close, etc, I think just kino in general can bring about the desired result. Personally, I’ve rarely lost a gal once the clock’s been started, and if I did lose a gal, it was almost always my doing.

    Can’t really comment on what Arpagus said, because I make it a point not to chat w/Women who’ve been drinking.
    Chuck’s point about the “quick sale” is something that is both interesting and disconcerting to me. Its like the need to see quick results kinda further erodes the bonds we have in a social sense-sex, relationships, even love, are all commodified and brought down to “bottomline” late-night infomercial terms.

    Its like the focus isn’t on trying to build something a bit longer lasting, but merely to get one’s dick wet, as quickly as possible-and while I don’t deny the efficacy of this “clinic”, what I do have concerns about is…what kind of “legacy” are we creating? I mean, we just got finished talking about the number of sex partners Women have; how often, they come accross Alphas, get swept off their feet, summarily pumped and dumped, and then turned bac out on the streets, only for the same process to happen again…and again…and again.

    Much has been said about the very real downside of this-and here we’re gonna glorify some of the very processes that bring the aforementioned about?

    I don’t know. It just all seems unsettling to me-the “quick results” approach, invariably tied to pump and dumpism, the real strains of misogynistic views on the part of quite a few in the Game/PUAsphere, it all adds up to some real questions we need to be asking ourselves. Just because we *can* do something, doesn’t necessarily mean that we *should*. There’s a lot at stake here, gentlemen. We’re potentially tampering w/Women’s-and by extension, other Men’s-very lives.

    Not trying to be a buzzkill here, just sayin.

    The Obsidian

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  56. Just because we *can* do something, doesn’t necessarily mean that we *should*.

    A slut is like a drug addict, except for dick. And like a drug addict, no matter what she’s determined to get her fix from somewhere, so it might as well be me. If I don’t pork her, someone else will.

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  57. PA

    “Interestingly, the last two pick-up posts showed a target who was visiting a foreign country (the Italian in a DC bar and the Russian here.)”

    Good eye.

    That is the “target selection” I mentioned above.

    Traveling girls will always be easier than local girls.

    Traveling girls are in a state of flux and adventure.

    Local girls are in a state of reality.

    Day closes are very seasonal in nature as well.

    Summer time is way easier than winter time.

    Sunshine helps (one of the reasons I live in Southern California and Miami Beach), as well as beaches.

    Day closing a big city local girl in wintertime: now that’s a trick.

    – MPM

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  58. O,

    I’m not great at the convo thing. Going in for a kiss early, sometimes without even saying a word, is fucking great. I’ve never tried that during the day, but at night, even when girls haven’t had much to drink, it save a hell of a lot of time. She wants it. I want it. Might as well do it.

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  59. Betas who are unsuccessful with women, who have never had something like this happen, will doubt the fact that these videos are in fact real. This is because not only have they never experienced something like this, it makes them bitter that it could happen to someone who they see as having lower value. This is another common beta-response to a video like this: “oh that guys fucking ugly” or “he’s making all men look bad” or other insults that attack his technique, attitude or looks.

    This is because it’s easier for the beta to sit in his chair and pick apart someone’s successful attempt, find something wrong with it and focus in. Even though the attempt all-in-all was successful. The beta is angry at women in general because they never get opportunities like this, but this is socially unacceptable. So, the beta targets his anger elsewhere. The target? Alpha males with game who have success with women.

    It seems that the betas would want to team up with the alphas and try to get better against our natural nemesis – women – but they are SO weak-willed and insecure that they will back up the women, team up with them, marry them, care for them, etc. and go AGAINST their only hope to get what they want – the alpha male, the “natural” or the beta male who has turned into something greater by learning game.

    Don’t believe me? Look at all the negative comments from the haters on the youtube video posted.

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  60. Arpie:

    I would never forgive myself for not pouncing on a possible same night lay if any of the above happened, and that is quite likely, at least at my level of game.

    It’s also equally true that this attitude can telegraph neediness. Be careful.

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  61. -Tupac Chopra-

    A lesson that was well learned and hard earned was this:

    Most numbers are flakes- if she gave you the number you probably could have gone for the kiss instead- if she gave you the kiss- you should have gone for the lay.

    Most men are satisfied with the number- but most times you won’t hear from those women EVER again- if you go out looking for the lay you will get it.

    if you go out looking for just the number- you will waste a ton of time.

    remember:
    escalate
    Escalate
    ESCALATE

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  62. @ cz

    I think it’s some of the tenents underneath feminism (even for those who deny they’re feminists) that are responsible for displacing the “dogma” that you’re talking about.

    Soon after western women recognized they should be free as men to pursue society’s traditional male roles, somewhere along the line this got distorted by women to mean it was somehow inherently *better* to pursue *any* male role–including the male tendency to be promiscuous or at least more admitting of it. Nevermind that for the last four thousand+ years, there was the judeo-christian effort to get men to suppress these urges and adopt monogamy. The traditional sex roles that were also part of judeo-christian dogma meant the whole frame needed tossing. Modernity became the new female religion.

    But one can’t escape one’s genes, not even liberated moderns. Now unshackled, women are not inherently polyandrous. Rather, they tend towards serially monogamy. That means, much like the prehistoric tribe of old, to perpetuate her genes a woman wants not to mate with one single man per se, but one single man (at at time) who is “alpha”, i.e., most likely to sire successful offspring and protect the woman (and child) until the woman and child are old enough to be self-sufficient. Game is the simple articulation of these reptilian attraction switches. Game is the assortment of signals that announce, “I am that alpha and the one most worthy of your nine-month gestation.” And Game is the only natural response to the many western females who have jettisoned dogma and have gone “tribal.”

    Will it be self-correcting? I don’t see how. Indeed, we’re now beginning the third generation of this. The remaining number of grandmothers is shrinking fast who still say to their grandaughters, “Oh, child, you need to settle down and marry that nice, hard-working (beta) boy down the street. He’ll be sweet, not difficult, and will take care of you all the days of your life.” It just doesn’t happen like that anymore. There’s no thrill, excitement, or liberation in that.

    So yes, as you say, “Dogma [was] a way to say no to game without even knowing, let alone articulating, a reason.” But at the same time, Game is now the way to get these very same women to say “yes” without even knowing, let alone articulating a reason! (There. I turned it around for you.)

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  63. Damn. I’ve gotten so afar from the topic of this day’s moment that I forgot to say… Thanks. Nice video and summary!

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  64. That may be Joe, but rationalizing one’s choices doesn’t make things better.

    O

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  65. Brad,

    Great points your brought up.

    I am always amazed at the hatred that goes on and the “I don’t believe it’s possible” attitudes of so many males (betas).

    How did these guys ever survive the playground as kids?

    What you saw in the video is completely possible ever day of the year.

    Multiple times a day, if you want it bad enough, and have the time on your hands.

    I used to do this stuff as a kid at the beach all day long. Day blowers and day swoops. I even added a touch of style by lighting up a jay most times.

    As Bruce Lee said:

    “The doubters said…”Man cannot fly,”
    The doer said…”Maybe, but we’ll try,”
    And finally soared
    In the morning glow
    While non-believers …Watched from below.“

    – MPM

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  66. I think the video is most likely real, especially since the guy is not selling any products. I would just would like to know how he pulled off the camera work. A simple “they were hidden” would satisfy me.

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  67. Roosh, true, but could also be a guy with a reality show or aspiring teacher of PUAs.

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  68. roosh:

    i just assumed it was a guy with his buddy that decided to go out and Game a random Ruskie.

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  69. BK:

    A lesson that was well learned and hard earned was this:

    Most numbers are flakes- if she gave you the number you probably could have gone for the kiss instead- if she gave you the kiss- you should have gone for the lay.

    A lesson *I’ve* learned is that there are two pathways to female validation:

    1) Dominance, of either the “soft” or “hard” variety. This is like an arrow of light that enters the woman’s eyes, circulates in her brain, before descending to her vag. Gina tingle. Usually leads to dick-in-pussy.

    2) Dancing entertainment monkey flattery. Some women crave attention more than they do cock. Women are just *thrilled* to made the center of someone else’s attention. This is like an arrow of light that enters the woman’s eyes, circulates in her brain…and often stays there. Can possibly lead to dick-in-pussy, but not often and certainly not necessarily.

    Which type of female validation would YOU prefer?

    Most men are satisfied with the number- but most times you won’t hear from those women EVER again- if you go out looking for the lay you will get it.

    if you go out looking for just the number- you will waste a ton of time.

    If you run good game and make an impression, she WILL make time for you later. Most guys who complain about “flakes” are the entertainment-monkeys described above who never induced gina tingle but delighted the girl just enough to get the number. Fool’s gold. Mirage.

    Since most aspiring PUA’s are in it more for female validation than the sex, they are usually satisfied with the number, which they wave above their heads like a kid who just won Wonka’s golden ticket.

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  70. G-Man,
    While what you say has merit, actually, running Day Game in the dead of Winter can b quite fruitful. Reason is simple: between Xmas/New Year’s & Valentine’s Day, a lot of Women are lonely. If a guy’s either on his A-Game, or, if he’s just got a lot of balls, he can do quite well for himself out there during these times.

    O

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  71. A lots been made of the fact that this guy isnt good looking. What if he was? Could he have done anything differently and still pulled it off?

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  72. I gamed all your moms yesterday.

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  73. Nice vid – excellent game and you can’t fault the result.

    All the haters and disbelievers should watch and learn because this is how it is done. I’ve kissed closed in much less time than that – but never in the day time.

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  74. this also reminds me of a Ross Jeffries NLP routine. he’s doing all the big hand motions while describing her childhood when talking about the dolls on her shirt. he’s talking about something intimate with her, building rapport.

    just for novelty’s sake, every guy on this board should try this this weekend and report back. i’m with O and others that this type of thing isn’t good for society when done on a mass scale, but shit, let’s stop being so serious here and have fun with it for once instead of shredding it to pieces with overanalyzation.

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  75. Tupac makes some solid points, which is why as a rule, I don’t “chase/approach” Women too tough; instead I turn the dynamic around, to where they’ll approach me, or, failing that, they make it quite obvious that they want me to say something to them. Cuts to the chase of the matter, less chance of “entertainment monkey” syndrome, IOI false alarms and the like.

    O

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  76. cz,

    Your point about dogma as a non-rational defense against non-rational techniques like game is a good one. The prevailing dogma of our time, “If it feels good, do it,” is actually an anti-dogma, a “defense” against defensive programming.

    I’m not sure the conclusion follows, though, except on a very long time scale. The only sense in which game will be self correcting is that eventually western society will either completely collapse or radically reform itself. Whatever stable social arrangements emerge from this catastrophe will necessarily be immunized against the most destructive ideas and habits of the cultural muck from which they arise, including, presumably, “If it feels good, do it.” In this context, game is likely to be less effective in producing 10 minute kiss-closes (although an understanding of game’s ev-psych principles will still be useful in managing heterosexual relationships).

    But that’s the work of centuries. A world-dominating culture doesn’t just wink out. Our lifetimes promise decline, great catastrophes, false hopes and unimaginable horrors, but not the end of the west as we know it.

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  77. Obs:

    I turn the dynamic around, to where they’ll approach me, or, failing that, they make it quite obvious that they want me to say something to them.

    This is Zenmack/Player Supreme’s philosophy. Look for signals of submission and compliance — *no matter how small* — before you proceed further.

    Might not get as many number closes, but your flake-to-lay ratio gets much better.

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  78. Chuck,
    Interesting that you would bring up Jeffries, because his NLP system, among other things, was in the back of my mind as I began writing my posts on this thread. The bottomline is that Game is a powerful tool for Men to get what they want, when they want, and from who they want, insofar as Women are concerned. Such a system or method always will bring w/it the real potential for abuse of said power-w/potentially drastic results.

    We’re not highschool aged boys yukking it up in the locker room, Chuck-we’re grown assed Men who in my view, should give at least some thought as to how we will use this newfound power-and here lies my particular pet peeve. That there is a segment of our community that is in one way or another not wrapped too tight in an ethical sense, lose all sense of perspective, and end up hurting people, possibly themself. This is why I’m such a big fan of the book The Game, and strongly urge that anyone looking to study Mystery Method also read this book, because Style does go into the very real pitfalls that can beset a Man or group of Men if they’re not careful with this thing.

    Again, let me be 100% crystal clear, because I know this is a subject that is close to many of our hearts and can be quite emotional-in no way am I against a Man getting laid, be it w/just one Woman, or a harem. In no way am I arguing the efficacy of the methods mentioned in this post in the above video. These are not in dispute.

    My concern is that, if left unchecked, Game can be ruinous in ways we may only be dimly aware of, even right now. I’m not trying to do an Auster here or advocating that anyone else should…just saying that we should give some thought to keeping things in perspective.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  79. on August 19, 2009 at 4:28 pm Seeking Alpha

    I’m reading The Game for the first time now.

    What a crazy story. Strauss sounds like he’s screwed on tight and even Mystery, while a crazy fuck, was probably an interesting friend to have.

    Their big mistake was letting Papa and Tyler into the house.

    They have the fucking Rat Pack house in Hollywood. They could’ve taken over LA, like their plan.

    Instead, they let a bunch of young, dorky kids turn it into a brat pack slumber party. Didn’t seem like a fun place to be.

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  80. Obsidian:

    everything you say about Game is true, but it’s also true of weightlifting, reading, watching TV, playing video games, David Alexandering (read: masturbating too much), even blogging. All of these things can take up too much psychic energy and time if we let them. In fact, I’ve let everyone of those things, besides TV and video games, become a focal point of my life, much to my detriment.

    The fear by the Auster’s of the world and the other haters is that advocation for this lifestyle becomes the centerpiece of our lives, and this can be true for some. But on the same hand the shit is so damn interesting and useful, if you apply it. It’s up to the individual to temper it with restraint. What we should really be talking about is moderation in everything. But saying that Game is harmful to outsiders is a non-starter because that can also apply to most things. It’s like martial arts; it’s not meant to be used to hurt people without provocation, but it can be if one wills it.

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  81. Tupac,
    Yup. Never heard of the PUA you mentioned, and would like to read a bit more about him…but yea, you got the right idea.

    Let me also say that in fairness, I don’t think there’s any “one” way to run Game and be successful-its kinda like arguing which is more effective, Kempo or Aikido. Well, the truth is, both are effective, depending on the practitioner and the circumstance. While both are martial arts, they emphasize different things. Same deal w/Game. You gotta find what aspects of it work best for you as an individual, and then perfect that.

    O

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  82. Somehow Dreamer I feel you responding exactly like that red headed Russian girl. A bit shy at first, but very fresh and ultimately adventurous.
    -Doug1

    Hmm…. then perhaps you should get to know me better and find if the perception is truth… 😉

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  83. But O, you make a very good point about “The Game”. Everyone focuses on the cool routines and crazy lifestyle of Mystery and Style, but they don’t register the underlying storyline. This shit can consume you, if you let it. It can rot away at your soul, if you let it. It can change you, if you let it. The truth is, for me, *reading* and *writing* about these things and other related subjects is much more damaging so far than practicing the shit.

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  84. I was wondering how many posts before someone called him a beta. None, maybe two, depending on your interpretation. God damn.

    Maybe he is, maybe he isn’t, but he’s clearly doing something right and instructive. He’s not an icon of smoldering masculinity, but he’s alone with the girl, got her attention, got smooth game (though not incredibly alpha), and makes it happen.

    This is the guy that an alpha would see and say, this dude’s no competition. And then the alpha gets blown out of the water. I’ve been on both sides.

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  85. Obs:

    Yup. Never heard of the PUA you mentioned, and would like to read a bit more about him…but yea, you got the right idea.

    Cmon, I told you about him some time ago. Black PUA:

    http://playersupreme.libsyn.com/

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5296258351139167357

    If you don’t know, now you KNOW, nigga.

    Let me also say that in fairness, I don’t think there’s any “one” way to run Game and be successful-its kinda like arguing which is more effective, Kempo or Aikido. Well, the truth is, both are effective, depending on the practitioner and the circumstance. While both are martial arts, they emphasize different things. Same deal w/Game. You gotta find what aspects of it work best for you as an individual, and then perfect that.

    True.

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  86. quality.

    notice that even at over a half minute, he was still the one to break the kiss… total control.

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  87. I think Style played up the dark side so that he could make book more PC, get on the View with Barbara Walters and stuff, maybe get movie deal. If the community was so bad why has he never left it and kept making more and more products?

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  88. Chuck,
    You make solid points, and yes, what Philly homeboy Ben Franklin said, all things in moderation. Tru dat.

    That said, let’s be honest-we’re talking about arguably the most powerful force in the universe, Sex, and the simple fact that for most of human history, the majority of Men simply didn’t get any pussy AT ALL. They lived and died, on a level less than Dave Alex-because at least he has porn to jackoff to. Dudes way back in the Fred Flintstone era didn’t even have that.

    By the way, while I’m on this tanget, lemme bounce something off you and others here if they’re so inclined…

    Much has been said about the supposed inherent misogyny in Hip Hop music. While I personally think the assertion is a bit hamfisted, there is some truth to it.

    However, its undeniable that within the Game/PUA community, that a strain of misogyny exists among a segment of said community.

    Now, for my money, I see a clear parallel here-the Rappers are really only telling the raw, brutal, unvarnished truth about Female Sexuality-and I argue that the reason why said segment exists in the Game/PUA community, is because its a reaction to the very same truths that the Rappers spoke and still do speak about.

    What do you make of my observations?

    O

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  89. Excellent post

    @timx: he might be fugly, but he is tall, looks like he’s in a band, and has a brit accent. oh, and runs game.

    he reminds me of Sasha Baron-Cohen, esp in the way he speaks (not just accent)

    @obsidian. kiss close is an experiment to see if she actually likes you or not. it is not important in itself. it is her (positive) reaction to the proposition that allows for long-term pursuit, if desired.

    @roosh: i always ask for the (first) kiss. i rarely just lean in. i know the answer before i ask though. anyone else a kiss asker?

    re the video: let’s not forget survivor bias…i wonder how many girls he approached before this film got uploaded

    Conor Friedersdorf runs game. On little boys!

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  90. on August 19, 2009 at 4:49 pm Turkey Sinister

    “South African middle-distance sensation Caster Semenya was at the centre of an inquiry on Tuesday due to concerns about whether she is a male or female.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/gender-bender-on-iaaf-agenda/2009/08/18/1250362074978.html

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  91. Will it be self-correcting? I don’t see how. Indeed, we’re now beginning the third generation of this. The remaining number of grandmothers is shrinking fast who still say to their grandaughters, “Oh, child, you need to settle down and marry that nice, hard-working (beta) boy down the street. He’ll be sweet, not difficult, and will take care of you all the days of your life.” It just doesn’t happen like that anymore. There’s no thrill, excitement, or liberation in that.

    @MNL —

    My view as well. If anything we are near the beginning, not the end, of this trend.

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  92. Obsidian — I am not Chuck but I agree with you. Men are, for the most part, romantics and would like a wife/family. The misogyny apparent in rap and other places, is nothing more than the disappointed romanticism of men who know that dream is forever denied. By their own knowledge of women if nothing else.

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  93. correction whiskey. men are first and foremost poonologists.

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  94. The whole point of game and the PUA philosophy is that your looks don’t matter a whole lot. I find it utterly amazing that people started with the ad hominem attacks less than 10 posts into the thread. Pathetic.

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  95. Joe,
    Yup, I’ve heard similar assertions about Style’s motivations as to why he wrote The Game. I’ve never met the Man myself to ask, so I can only speculate as to his reasoning for writing it; but I disagree w/your comments on the matter.

    I personally think Style simply wanted to show the community in as honest a light as he could. Of course, like all of us, he’s gonna have his biases. But I think he did a good job of being evenhanded here.

    My Brothers-please listen close. Unlike the VAST majority of fellas out there, we now have the Rosetta Stone to Poon. We KNOW what works, and what doesn’t. W/that kind of power, we would either be extremely naive, or craven in a way that quite honestly gives me the chills, if we didn’t take some time to make sure our heads were on straight.

    That’s all I’m sayin.

    Holla back

    The Obsidian

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  96. Ugly/dorky dudes can develop some wicked game!!!

    It proves that chicks like dudes with game. Period.

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  97. Correction Joe – black men are first and foremost poonologists who have effectively incorporated smooth romantic game into their approach.

    White men (all but the apex alphas, that is) are romantics first, who later learn to incorporate poonology.

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  98. @novaseeker+ MNL
    I have to agree w/ that idea.

    More grandmothers and older aunties telling their daughters to seek adventure and experience while they’re young.

    These women may mean life experience and career success, but they may not see how their advice encompasses, well, getting passed around a bit before (it ever at all) settling down.

    For my generation, having a stable relationship and subsequently marrying before the last graduate degree and first big-time job (so before 27 or 28) is seen as going against the grain. Which sort of goes against female nature, I think.

    Could part of the reason for women’s general sadness in the dating game and society’s overall downturn have something to do with women being less guided by a strong man early on, and left free to follow their, uh, sexual desires?

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  99. As for the idea that a Man’s looks matter wrt Game, again, read Style’s book-he’s a skinny, short, bald Jewish dude who racked up on the poon. Of course, if you’re good looking all the better; but its really not that big a deal. Skills win out over genes in this case, more often than not.

    O

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  100. Tupac – EVERY man’s an aspiring poonologist.

    The ones who succeed in poonology early (alphas) become poonologists first and foremost. The ones who fail in poonology in their early years (betas) drop out of the poonology program and enroll in the romance program, then rationalize the failure by claiming they were interested primarily in romance all along.

    But read the Game. Look at the story of every single white PUA. Once they discovered they could get poon at will, EVERY LAST ONE WENT ON A POON SLAYING SPREE. ALL of them. I don’t know why you make it a white and black thing. Every PUA in the Game except one was white and they all fit your description of black men: poonologists who effectively incorporated romantic game into thier approach.

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  101. Joe, you’re not really disagreeing with me.

    I don’t want to start another black/white thing, but I am saying that the reason blacks have more natural game is because they didn’t buy into all the pretty lies. They operated from the gut, and women of course respond to this. Adding a shiny layer of smooth romantic game on to that is just the cherry on top.

    White men largely bought into the pretty lies and were thereby emasculated. The pretty lies are appealing because they are, well, pretty.

    Once the white men wake up, they become poonologists and rediscover their natural state of manhood. That is precisely what happened with the characters in The Game.

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  102. Gotcha. I thought because you used the word “correction” you were disagreeing more strongly.

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  103. Whiskey – you sound like a true beta. How else could you say what you say? You are essentially saying that western society should be the sum of women’s worst urges and men’s meekest reactions. It’s already all determined to be a certain way – it’s over – we might as well give up!

    What do I propose? I propose an organized reaction to all of this. Young European men need to unite and end this trend. There needs to be a ‘conservative’ counter-reaction that puts these urges back in the dark corners where they belong. And I don’t even care what the ‘conservatives’ call themselves or what religious/spiritual inspiration they use. The actions will be important not the labels. When the will is there the solutions will appear.

    The liberal trend has gone to far. If there is enough men out there like myself then the negative consequences will be reveresed. If not – then who cares – the world will belong to others anyway. It’s all about who can generate a greater total sum of energy for their own agenda. So why should I make it my agenda to be enslaved by others, to have my people disappear? I’ll leave that to the white betas. I am going out fighting not just pointing out ‘irreversible’ symptoms.

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  104. Joe, Tupac,
    The Game/PUA community points undeniably to a heavily tilted White demographic at this point, and if you’re into HBD, as many here are, it raises some very interesting questions wrt the differences btw how the PUA community does things, and how many Brothas do it.

    Personally, I think the two groups can learn a lot from each other, even if its only a little bit. For example, clearly lots of White guys need help in the Peacocking area, which is something most Brothas clearly excel at.

    On the flipside, I’ve schooled quite a few Brothas on such Game fundaments as the Proximity Alert System, or Anti Slut Defences. And these are good looking, well dressed and often successful guys who were no stranger to Ye Olde Bedpost.

    So, I see it as all good, a kind of Game Convergence, which makes sense in a way in our Internet, Globalized Age. In fact, in a way Joe, you and I are taking an active part in that right now, by interacting in this very venue.

    Think on it.

    The Obsidian

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  105. Awesome. Inspiring.

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  106. I don’t want to start another black/white thing

    Race thread!!!!!
    Higher T levels means less acceptance of pretty lies

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  107. His game needs to be pretty enticing to be able to have a cameraman filming for 10 minutes without her noticing.

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  108. Crap I knew my one mention of puppies would haunt me. Puppies, butterflies and roses do NOT belong on a PUA forum – got it.

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  109. Could part of the reason for women’s general sadness in the dating game and society’s overall downturn have something to do with women being less guided by a strong man early on, and left free to follow their, uh, sexual desires?

    @ Dreamer —

    Certainly quite a few here would agree with that statement, I think.

    The essential lie is that women can be as happy and satisfied if they follow a male sexual typology of promiscuity. That works for a small minority of women in terms of securing their happiness — not for most women. I honestly think many younger women are hopeful of snagging an alpha male to commit to them, and deploy sex as a part of this effort, and then become saddened when it doesn’t work out that way. If anything, the sadness comes from a lack of respect for the differences between male sexuality and female sexuality — a lack of respect that is an absolute dogma of feminist thought.

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  110. I propose an organized reaction to all of this. Young European men need to unite and end this trend. There needs to be a ‘conservative’ counter-reaction that puts these urges back in the dark corners where they belong. And I don’t even care what the ‘conservatives’ call themselves or what religious/spiritual inspiration they use. The actions will be important not the labels. When the will is there the solutions will appear.

    You need to read a book called “Sex and Culture” by J.D. Unwin.

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  111. I don’t know if anyone agrees with me, but considering the woman was from russia with a thick russian accent and the dude had a british accent…the cat was already in the bag!!! He didn’t even have to say whatever he said. Try this on an AMERICAN BIT**H and believe me the results will vary considerably.

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  112. I just had a chance to watch the video (just a minute in). Someone said the guy is South Asian. He looks white to me.

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  113. Top,

    It is over. You guys lost in the 1970s.. and don’t blame us.

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  114. Puppies, butterflies and roses do NOT belong on a PUA forum – got it.

    aoefe, geez, I didn’t know! I better change my avatar.

    the bitterness of betas.

    Riddle me this. Why do certain guys on this blog like to talk betas like they are so wronged by women, and then proceed to bash the living daylight out of people they deem betas? For instance the word beta is thrown about to describe several different females’ significant others.

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  115. Remember, logical coherent sentences are not required for gaming chicks.

    that is truth. if you doubt it, try a little experiment: have a conversation with a girl where you make a point of not following any logical thought patterns and pay no attention to the rules of standard grammar. this works best on some sort of messenger; it happens in real time like a regular conversarion, but you can go back and see what has been said.

    out of curiosity i did this once and i was absolutely amazed. i made sure to change the topic of conversation at least ever thirty seconds and just said any random thing that popped into my head. the girl never once reacted as if i were being at all weird. if i had had this conversation with a guy, he would asked me, ‘what the fuck is wrong with you? are you high?’

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  116. Tupac

    White men largely bought into the pretty lies and were thereby emasculated. The pretty lies are appealing because they are, well, pretty.

    Once the white men wake up, they become poonologists and rediscover their natural state of manhood. That is precisely what happened with the characters in The Game.

    I never did. I’ve been in rebellion against many sides of feminism from the time that I was a kid.

    My early stance on feminism was that it was fine at work but wasn’t happening in the bedroom – or at home (i.e. in personal life) so far as I was concerned.

    I’ve ALWAYS said I was partly sexist or chauvanist or whatever. Just refused to say differently. Know what? Got me into heated arguments and lots of panties. Lots of lefty girls trying to “fully” convert me.

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  117. PA–

    I just had a chance to watch the video (just a minute in). Someone said the guy is South Asian. He looks white to me.

    He could be a Gujarati /white half breed. I mean mixed.

    He’s operating within a white cultural frame though, more or less.

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  118. on August 19, 2009 at 6:14 pm Horatio Sanchez

    Hey, anyone hear that? Listen carefully: the silence is deafening. There ain’t no female trolls/nay-sayers around! I suppose we need to give them a little time to come up with a denial to what their eyes are telling them in this video.

    My guess? “It must be fake!” is about the best they’ll come up with.

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  119. Hope

    It was surprising to me Hope to see that you’re as cute/hot looking as you are, given your self image, as expressed here the last couple of years, (though with long absences).

    It really was.

    What I would say to you is you need a bit more hard headed realism. Not too much; no killing of your spirit; your idealism is also attractive. You do sometimes though go overboard.

    Probably less now than previously, when rationalizing the wonderfulness of your now ex husband.

    Though I also suspect he wasn’t really quite as bad as you now want to remember him either.

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  120. Please, the idea that black men have better game than non-blacks is hilarious. What black men have is less impulse control than non-black men and low standards.

    black men will hit on a woman anywhere, anytime, even if at work and the rules forbid, or if they put their lives in danger. Just today, I saw a black man try to hit on a woman crossing a busy New York street. She kept walking, but traffic started up and almost clocked him. Not even the guy in the video would have done that; he would have smoothly waited for her to get across the street first.

    The fact is, blacks overall v. non-blacks have very low impulse control and inability to plan for the future. So they put their lives in danger for short term high risks that have very little reward; hence the number who develop gambling problems (especially with impossible to win dice games and roulette), addictions to substances, lack of savings, poor education choices, breaking the law for minimul gain or the meaningless “respect”, and, most importantly, blaming others for their mistakes.

    they also will hit on every body type not excluding obsesely fat or anorexic thin. What most men find disgusting black men will stick it into.

    Italian men in Italy, especially Southern Italy, have these impulse control problems. Not surprisingly, Southern Italy is beset with mafioso and poorer quality of life than the north. But Italian men are so romantic—-re, they hit on you a lot!

    One key factor game students notice (myself included) is that game’s first rule is to talk to women you find attractive instead of not. This automatically ups your numbers (see Rooshv and Mystery for people who espouse this ideal), since more numbers=more chances to score. For many men, just talking to more women deliberately is all the game they want or need.

    Havign lived in NYC, you see how piss-poor black game on everything but approaches. Every so often, a group of brothers/gangsta wannabes (re: not a normal guy who just happens to be black) show up in some non-black neighborhood and think they’re going to clean up. They end up making asses of themselves, hit on everything that moves, awkwardly can’t leave conversations, and usually get tired and frustrated, or find the few fat-asses who haven’t been hit on in years.

    The only thing they have is constant approaches; that bravery gets them a little. But their ghetto game is so piss poor, uncivilized, and rude it hurts them alot. Taught by culture to act like racial stereotypes or else they’re not “keepin’ it real,” their game consists of sad parodies of some “smooth brother” they saw in a movie once. And the smooth brother act, while a good fiction, doesn’t work if you’re just a copycat.

    In pro wrestling, the wrestlers who achieve success with a gimmick like to say its not that they’re pretending to be someone else; its just their own personality turned up to 11. Ric Flair, The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Sean Michaels, Undertaker…..faking their personalities would be a very hard thing over 10-20 years in the ring.

    So non-blacks, to get game, need to overcome their fear of rejection and strike out more; black men, however, who already approach more need to develop social skills and personalities, not tired cliches about the ghetto.

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  121. south asians can look white, specially the upper castes from the north

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  122. Feminism is the creationism of the left.

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  123. aoefe

    Crap I knew my one mention of puppies would haunt me. Puppies, butterflies and roses do NOT belong on a PUA forum – got it.

    I’d throw you a kiss for that if it wouldn’t cause so many guys, mostly frustrated betas, to go into fits.

    Your use of “crap” there though was (dare I say it here?) — adorable.

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  124. JR’s Guide to conversing with a female:
    jr0A69 todays blue sky nice
    cutiepie17 LOL
    cutiepie17 its cloudy today
    jr0A69 whats puppys name
    cutiepie17 i dont have a puppy! why do you think I have one?
    cutiepie17 I do have a hamster though
    cutiepie17 his name is leo… like leonardo dicaprio
    jr0A69 my cousins bitch mother in law. hate her
    cutiepie17 did you hear hes with cotillard now??
    cutiepie17 harrrsh what makes you say that?

    Hope:
    Bashing women — > idealism. How things should be.
    Bashing betas — > practicality. How things are. Get with the program.

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  125. Doug,

    It is not fine at work.

    Or the voting booth.

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  126. Nova:

    You need to read a book called “Sex and Culture” by J.D. Unwin.

    You mean the one that came out by Oxford University Press in 1934? That’s a pretty obscure reference. Appears to be long out of print. One used available from Amazon for $993. Got good reviews, though.

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  127. Most celibate losers jump with joy at the acquisition of ANY kind of female attentions that isn’t “Get lost creep”. Even if it’s a kiss.

    I use “negs” to basically chase off women who think that I’m coming on to them. As an example, I’ve told a girl that I had a crush on that I’d rather ride trains than date her…

    The remaining number of grandmothers is shrinking fast who still say to their grandaughters, “Oh, child, you need to settle down and marry that nice, hard-working (beta) boy down the street. He’ll be sweet, not difficult, and will take care of you all the days of your life.”

    That quote and the concept behind it reinforces my viewpoint that the only reason through out history for women to marry beta males is for financial support. In other words any time a woman marries a beta male, it is due to her inner golddigger. Golddiggers should be shamed and beta males should call women out on their abuse of beta males. Men should turn down dates from women and tell women to go get jobs.

    2009 will be the year that women will stop being golddiggers because men will stop giving in to them.

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  128. Lurker –

    Havign lived in NYC, you see how piss-poor black game on everything but approaches. Every so often, a group of brothers/gangsta wannabes (re: not a normal guy who just happens to be black) show up in some non-black neighborhood and think they’re going to clean up.

    But their ghetto game is so piss poor, uncivilized, and rude it hurts them alot.

    Who here said ghetto blacks specifically had good game? No one was focusing on ghetto blacks until you did.

    Plus, Italians do have much more natural game than most whites from the Anglosphere. Being macho, having poor impulse control and approaching a lot aren’t evidence someone doesn’t have natural game. In fact, it’s the exact opposite. Unless you think the opposite (lots of impulse control, intimidated by approaching and not being macho) are traits of naturals. Do you?

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  129. Porngirl 69 – I like riding long hard things

    DA – Trains?

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  130. You mean the one that came out by Oxford University Press in 1934? That’s a pretty obscure reference. Appears to be long out of print. One used available from Amazon for $993. Got good reviews, though.

    @Arpagus —

    That’s the one. Downloadable (long since unprotected) here: http://menforjustice.net/library/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=613&Itemid=37

    The whole thing is interesting, but by far the most salient part for purposes of the stuff we’re discussing is in Chapter V where he discusses at length the relationship between the regulation of female sexuality and civilizational decline in Rome, Babylon, Greece and so on.

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  131. The guy’s name didn’t sound British. But it could be fake anyway.

    About kiss asking; I just normally lean in. It just fits with my way of approaching, My verbal game sucks, so I just make it physical. Doesn’t kiss-asking involve some long teasing sexual talk before?

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  132. Doug, thanks. I think I have enough realism in my own head, but I don’t usually act on it. Nobody’s perfect, and we’re all flawed. So I try to look for the best side of people and try to be good to them until they go beyond my ability to tolerate. Whatever Welmer says about women, he still loves his kids. Things like that.

    So no, my ex was not quite that bad. He was a good guy most of the time. Other people who knew him said so, too. But he always had this anger streak, so sometimes he would explode. Broke things, got into near-fights with his coworkers, so on. I don’t really know if the final transformation was my fault, but there was a dramatic change.

    I caught up with a mutual friend yesterday, a guy who knew both me and my ex for three years. He wrote (verbatim), “From one conversation to the next, at least from what I see, he went from being a pretty cool guy who I liked as a friend, to…some raving lunatic that I’d rather not associate with anymore. Whatever happened between you two, real or imagined, is just that. Raving about it like that is just going to make people lose respect for you and leave, not rally some huge wave or something.”

    So you might say that as a female I have a tendency to be less than rational. But this guy majored in computer programming — very calm and rational guy. He was also very loyal to my ex as a friend. My ex liked this guy a lot. They talked a bit and never had any animosity between them. To hear something like this from him was a bit out of left field, even for me.

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  133. Joe:

    Please, the conversation above was talking about the lack of white game the better black game. That is all.

    “Plus, Italians do have much more natural game than most whites from the Anglosphere.

    “Being macho, having poor impulse control and approaching a lot aren’t evidence someone doesn’t have natural game.”
    —-au contraire. poor impulse control is a sign, because you clearly take bait and can’t rationally think through what you’re doing. And I SAID MORE APPROACHES=good game.

    “Unless you think the opposite (lots of impulse control, intimidated by approaching and not being macho) are traits of naturals. Do you?”
    —wtf are you talking about? I didn’t say machismo does not equal game. I said that claiming blacks/Italians have game is foolish, when all they have is poor impulse control. Game is getting more women, and more attractive women, and at a higher percentage than average.

    Poor impulse control just gets you more women, but doesn’t make them attractive or up your percentage.

    It’s like high school wrestling. The best wrestlers are strong, flexible, with a lot of stamina, and knowledgeable of moves. A man whop’s naturally strong has an advantage, but will get gassed and beaten by pretty much anyone not a newbie if that’s all he’s got. only strong=ghetto black game. Talented wrestler=good game.

    Learn some reading comprehension.

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  134. on August 19, 2009 at 6:47 pm Rose by Any Other Name

    Ex to Hope- I never promised you a rose garden

    Hope – Ya but I didn’t expect you to be a prick either

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  135. Paris subway game:

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  136. strong=ghetto black game.

    and once again, who brought up ghetto black game? no one was talking about ghetto black game.

    which is what makes your last line so ironic:

    Learn some reading comprehension.

    Take your own advice.

    Since you keep insisting on changing the topic to ghetto blacks and are incapable of staying on the topic we were actually discussing, I’ll just bow out of the discussion now. This will go nowhere.

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  137. To amend and clarify: atomistic libertinistic game will be self-correcting; game itself, under my definition, and as far as I’ve read, can be used neutrally (neutered?) or even positively (LTR’s).

    MNL: Game is now the way to get these very same women to say “yes” without even knowing, let alone articulating a reason!

    Touché.

    So men without dogma won’t have any reason to stop at the, ah, abyss as it were.

    Jack Burton: The only sense in which game will be self correcting is that eventually western society will either completely collapse or radically reform itself.

    That’s what I’m talking about.

    “…Whatever stable social arrangements emerge from this catastrophe will necessarily be immunized against the most destructive ideas and habits of the cultural muck from which they arise, including, presumably, “If it feels good, do it.”….”

    Yes, that’s my working hypothesis; some non-libertine dogma will re-assert itself.

    “….But that’s the work of centuries. A world-dominating culture doesn’t just wink out.”

    That may be a pretty lie. To some extent, yes and now. There’s never been a world-dominating culture, and there isn’t now, despite what the neocons tell you. But Cortes knocked off the Aztecs’ political/social elite in what? 18 months? The Inca’s held out for what, two years? (Oh, don’t tell me, they’re still fighting in the mountains… while listening to reggaetón). Perry opened Japan. The Byzantines didn’t see 1453 coming until, well, 1453, despite a seven century heads-up.

    On the other hand, yeah, sure, usually a lot of schlubs survive and maybe even thrive under the new order and keep a lot of their culture.

    If a generation is a wink-out, then, yes, it can and seems it will.

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  138. I’ve done this in under 30 seconds on a countless number of occasions. Eye contact, “You have nice lips. I wanna kiss them.” If she maintains eye contact, I go in for the kiss. No game necessary.

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  139. -Tupac Chopra-

    i hear ya- but in NYC i have gotten numbers in 5 minutes flat on the subways. What is she thinking in those 5 minutes? At times i can see the sparkle in the eyes.

    They gave me real numbers, and they were genuinely intrigued, but the chicks still flake out.

    NYC chicks are known for being crazy flakes- so much stimulation, so many events, so many attractive people- the number you gave out yesterday becomes lost in the shuffle- too much over stimulation here. The best PUA’s accept this fact on NYC and work around it.

    Inventory is the best defense against the flake.
    Escalating early- at least that makes you memorable.

    6 months in and I am still a total novice; I have too much pussy to handle on my plate- yet I want more…

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  140. Silly Rabbit

    Paris subway game:

    I’ve seen Code Inconnu, from which that clip is taken.

    That scene does more to make me understand lynching than most anything else I’ve encountered.

    It made me want to shoot that asshole, yes that black and acting black asshole. Or just beat him up. To a pulp.

    Total sexual harassment in the true sense of the word.

    Sure feminists have taken that to ridiculous levels against whites esp., but here? In that clip?

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  141. If that f’n werewolf can pick up chicks there’s hope for any guy.

    If that isn’t scripted, which seems it likely is, her being foreign and Russian, gullible and trusting is part of the reason.

    If he tried that on a British girl or especially a non-white girl, I doubt his approach would work at all.

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  142. Game in BK

    What I notice with Game so far. Most people who undertake it will see little to no improvement. The ones who do improve however usually improve drastically with a steep learning curve. I see very little middle ground. You seem to be one of the lucky few in the second group. Good for you.

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  143. @ J R:

    Regarding: Jumping around in conversation with women, not having it make grammatical sense and the fact that she will positively respond rather than asking if you are high (like a guy would)

    This is due to the fact that women are almost purely emotionally driven. Whereas men are more intellectual, we thrive on logic. I saw a comment about this a few months back and I immediately tried it with a girl I slept with a long time ago who had moved away. I was talking to her on the Facebook messenger thing, and I just popped up with whatever was on my mind. I would be in the middle of telling her a joke, then I would cut it off with something like, “do you think lady gaga has a penis?” then we would branch off into that for no more than 30 seconds before I hit her up with “george bush – marry fuck kill” and on and on.

    Not only did she not ask me what narcotic I was under the influence of, but she seemed to enjoy it. Now whenever I’m on facebook, she hits me up (I also game her in every interaction, so that may something to do with it).

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  144. Great work. Dude is ugly as hell as well.

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  145. Joe, are you insane?

    “d once again, who brought up ghetto black game? no one was talking about ghetto black game.”
    —black game is ghetto game.

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  146. Hey joey baby:

    this is what Tupac said:

    “don’t want to start another black/white thing, but I am saying that the reason blacks have more natural game is because they didn’t buy into all the pretty lies. ”

    —game.set.match. son.

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  147. Lurker:

    black game is ghetto game.

    Yet earlier, you said:

    Every so often, a group of brothers/gangsta wannabes (re: not a normal guy who just happens to be black) show up

    So in your own words all blacks aren’t ghetto, since you took time to make distinction between ghetto blacks and normal guys who just happen to be black. Those “normal blacks” should be included when considering black game.

    Hey joey baby:

    this is what Tupac said:

    “don’t want to start another black/white thing, but I am saying that the reason blacks have more natural game is because they didn’t buy into all the pretty lies. ”

    Exactly. “Black game,” were his words, not “ghetto black game.” No one mentioned ghetto blacks until you did. Thanks for helping me out with my point.

    —game.set.match. son.

    Yes, I did win. You’re correct. 😉

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  148. Joe, you sniveling pc twit:

    “So in your own words all blacks aren’t ghetto, since you took time to make distinction between ghetto blacks and normal guys who just happen to be black. Those “normal blacks” should be included when considering black game.”

    —nope. Wrong again, Joey baby. Black guys who just act like normal guys and have ga,e are just using game, because its not color-coded or tied to ghetto-stereotypes, which are black-based.

    However, black game is ghetto game—acting like some rap video/gangsta ghetto movie.

    If your too slow to understand that, might I point you to feministing.com for something more your speed?

    “Exactly. “Black game,” were his words, not “ghetto black game.””
    —-game is for everyone. black game is specifically so a brotha can act like a social nitwit that in anyone white is rightfully derrided as whigger.

    “No one mentioned ghetto blacks until you did. Thanks for helping me out with my point.”

    —kinda slow, ain’t he? black game is ghetto game, which is piss poor. Good game is color blind, and black guy who uses it is just using game.

    you lose, dummy.

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  149. on August 19, 2009 at 7:54 pm aussie girl in australia

    This video brought back a memory……

    I got picked up in a very similar way when I was 18 and fresh out of high school. The guy was 30, tall and on the skinny side. I was with a friend. He managed to get my number and a kiss within about 20 minutes. I was very innocent and inexperienced (only had one bf, not done more than kissing). I was just naturally open and friendly.
    I never really knew why I went along with it until just now. So funny how reading about game has made me re-evaluate all my previous experiences with men.

    Guys, it works!

    Hmm, I can think of a couple of male friends who could really use this video……..

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  150. Lurker, before you do a lengthy angry response, how about this. You made your points. I made my points in response. You think you won. I think I won. It won’t go anywhere from here. So let’s just leave it at that and move on and not turn this into a race thread repeating same points over and over ad nauseum.

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  151. *sigh* too late. i see you’ve already responded.

    whatever.

    i’m done with you regardless.

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  152. Poor joey baby, afraid to admit the truth:

    “Lurker, before you do a lengthy angry response, how about this. You made your points. I made my points in response. You think you won. I think I won. It won’t go anywhere from here.”

    –nope. I won. You lost. Basic logic. But nice try at the weasel.

    “So let’s just leave it at that and move on and not turn this into a race thread repeating same points over and over ad nauseum.”
    —poor joey. Tired of being bitched around, sonny boy.

    You lose, boy.

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  153. “*sigh* too late. i see you’ve already responded.

    whatever.

    i’m done with you regardless.”
    —funny how joey baby was all up for a fight until logic intervened.

    back to feministing.com with you!

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  154. that is a well of bitterness that runs very deep. They even have a nascent social movement, based mostly out of YouTube. If picketers ever show up at a PUA convention, it won’t be feminists doing the protesting. It will be men, screaming “True Forced Loneliness!”

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  155. sure lurker. whatever you say. you “won.” fine. 🙂

    now back to more important things: one thing missed in his analysis is part where the guy sets up lots of frames for her to live up to: “you seem friendly” “you seem adventurous” “you don’t seem to be shy” etc. Total Captain Jack frame control stuff.

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  156. “sure lurker. whatever you say. you “won.” fine.”
    —note how wittle Joey said that he was “done” with me and yet can’t help but respond.

    It’s amazing how he thinks black game isn’t “ghetto” game. I guess in his little mind, there’s a white game and regular game that black guys can’t use?

    The mind boggles at how his mind doesn’t.

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  157. Please tell us all Joey baby how black game could have won this–but not “ghetto” game, since those are apaprently two different things.

    C’mon Joey baby. We’re all waiting for your professorial response.

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  158. Hope

    So no, my ex was not quite that bad. He was a good guy most of the time. Other people who knew him said so, too. But he always had this anger streak, so sometimes he would explode. Broke things, got into near-fights with his coworkers, so on. I don’t really know if the final transformation was my fault, but there was a dramatic change.

    Yes, it was your fault. And then you go around trashing the guy.

    So convenient, and so typical. It is the great American setup.

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  159. DA – Trains?

    She knows that I like trains and her boyfriend works for a commuter rail agency, so I basically tell her that riding trains is more fun than dealing with her. I’ve also stated that she’s too ugly to get free stuff from men…

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  160. Re number closes and flaking:

    I think this may be one point when looks and other factors come into play. A good looking guy isn’t going to be able to get anything (number, kiss, etc) without game, but he is much less likely to be flaked on. When the girl in this video realizes she has been gamed she is going to think of that awful hair and the creepy looking guy and flake. If he was good looking she would rationalize it and might be ok with it.

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  161. Madras,

    She still allowed herself to be gamed – whether the guy be creepy or not.

    Herein lies the point. Just about any woman can be gamed on the street, in the library, at the bus stop…..but getting her in the sack is another matter.

    That sorts the champs out from the chumps.

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  162. Top of course I’m a beta. I’m also a realist.

    You won’t ever get women to change their behavior. It’s hard wired, and without social controls (which are never coming back on, driven by technology and urbanization) female behavior will NEVER change.

    You might as well march Canute’s men down to the sea and find out how well they hold back the tide. You’ll have more success there.

    Contraception, rising earning/living standards, and urban anoymity guarantee women will keep chasing Alphas.

    The “best” men can do is Game women, with the great mass of betas seeing at best (pessimistic realism here) a marginal improvement.

    We just have to accept the collapse of the nuclear family — it’s dead Jim and not coming back. I think most women are perfectly happy with this. Women are not stupid, they know by chasing Alphas now they give up on a steady beta guy who will actually be invested in them. They are happy with a life of Alpha chasing, with maybe a very small chance an older Alpha will marry them, but most likely chaotic cohabitation, a bastard kid or so, maybe as a designer eugenic yuppie baby, and a life alone post menopause.

    I do think men should openly laugh at women chasing Alphas more. Women are inherently funny when they do this.

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  163. It is the great American setup.

    Yep in the better setup I should have landed in the hospital and been beaten to an inch of my life. Or killed. That’d be better imo.

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  164. What happened? Did I hurt wittle Joey’s feelings?

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  165. Hope

    It is the great American setup.

    Yep in the better setup I should have landed in the hospital and been beaten to an inch of my life. Or killed. That’d be better imo.

    Drama queen…

    Is that how you do it? Tell men you are about to be torn limb from limb by your beast of a husband?

    Typical feminist bullshit, playing to men’s protector instinct and triggering sexual fantasies of rescuing the “fair maiden.” And from her own husband of all things!

    My how things have been turned upside down. So clever and honorable of you to take advantage of that.

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  166. cz,

    Are you familiar with Mencius Moldbug? I find his description of the state of the world (quite apart from his prescription for what to do about it) quite compelling. He tends to go on a bit, so in short, a strain of Anglo-American protestantism (which dropped the Jesus bit) has dominated the world since the end of WWII. Even “enemies” of the West (communists, al Qaeda) are animated by ideas whose lineage can be traced to the progressive/reform movement, and are more parsimoniously described as unacknowledged allies of this movement against their real enemies, the pathetic, tattered remnants of the Western right. In fact, the neocons are a symptom of the left’s unquestioned dominance, under which it is widely considered normal that the position of the “respectable” right in year Y is always well to the left of the “respectable” right’s position in year Y – x, where x is any positive integer (cf. gay marriage).

    Even if you don’t buy that, the fact is that the people running the West are a large, ideologically united group of extremely smart people, and their rule is well insulated from “democracy”. They may be annoying, and their ideology may make them partially insane, but they seem to find ways of routing around the inconvenient parts of that ideology when things they really care about are threatened: even the crown princesses of Black America do not attend DC public schools. I expect that they will deal with threats they perceive to be real with shockingly ruthless violence, all the while blathering about world peace (cf. every conflict between the western democracies and their enemies to the right).

    The Aztecs and Incas were crushed by a clearly, vastly superior culture, which doesn’t apply in this case (as fucked as the West is, who is a contender? This is actually a big part of the problem.) as were the Japs, though they caught on quick.

    The Byzantines in 1453 were the heirs of a culture that traced its origins to 509 BC (per the Wik), the “decline” of which has been traced to numerous points in history, most of them over 1000 years earlier. THAT’s what I’m talking about. Indeed, the Roman Empire lives on, in a last-scene-of-Jurassic-Park kind of way, in the Catholic and Orthodox churches. If there are still human beings on earth in 2000 years, some shred of progressive idealism is likely to survive in a comparable form. At least!

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  167. Is that how you do it? Tell men you are about to be torn limb from limb by your beast of a husband?

    Typical feminist bullshit, playing to men’s protector instinct and triggering sexual fantasies of rescuing the “fair maiden.” And from her own husband of all things!

    Sure is! That’s exactly how I get men to fall for me. I also called the cops and told them my ex is in possession of illegal drugs and is planning to grow marijuana in his apartment.

    Yep, keep hating me. It’s the American way!

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  168. P.S. if you can’t read sarcasm, I didn’t actually do that even though I easily could.

    Not everyone is so intent on getting revenge.

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  169. Jack Burton,

    Humans who believe that they control the world are as funny as termites who think they control the weather.

    You can only control what you know inside out and can influence any part of at will. Think about that one..

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  170. lurker:
    So, curious about this for a bit: What’s your game style like?

    The easy guess to make is that its being a jerk. But… hints here and there of not quite.

    You’ve probably done a “kiss close”, right? Maybe a field report?

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  171. Drama queen…

    Dude, you sound like a drama queen too with your pathetic ranting about Hope. Go be an alpha, man up, and leave her be.

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  172. OOOHHH the knight in shining armour arrives…people are right, you are schizo.

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  173. OOOHHH the knight in shining armour arrives…people are right, you are schizo.

    Das Es, das Ich, und das Über-Ich. Wer spricht für David?

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  174. Douchifer,

    I don’t think I said “control”. I’m pretty sure I said “dominate,” which is similar, BUT NOT THE SAME.

    Why don’t you go shoot up a Dave & Buster’s, dork.

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  175. I think this may be one point when looks and other factors come into play. A good looking guy isn’t going to be able to get anything (number, kiss, etc) without game, but he is much less likely to be flaked on. When the girl in this video realizes she has been gamed she is going to think of that awful hair and the creepy looking guy and flake. If he was good looking she would rationalize it and might be ok with it.

    What do you mean by “realizes she’s been gamed?” The only danger he’d be in is if she realizes he studied PUA stuff. So long as she thinks he’s just a natural she won’t care, she’ll just think he has an awesome personality.

    By the way, do we know for sure this whole thing happened in 10 minutes. Watch it again. There are lots of cuts. It may have been edited down. Still impressive though.

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  176. We just have to accept the collapse of the nuclear family — it’s dead Jim and not coming back. I think most women are perfectly happy with this. Women are not stupid, they know by chasing Alphas now they give up on a steady beta guy who will actually be invested in them. They are happy with a life of Alpha chasing, with maybe a very small chance an older Alpha will marry them, but most likely chaotic cohabitation, a bastard kid or so, maybe as a designer eugenic yuppie baby, and a life alone post menopause.

    Whiskey —

    I actually think most attractive women are trying to split the baby: fun and games with Mr. Big in the 20s, and then hubby hunting with a high odometer in the late 20s and early 30s leading to (hoped) marriage and kids.

    Trouble is that often things go haywire, because that’s a kinda risky plan. A lot of times when things do go haywire, then these kinds of women kind of give up on that around 40ish, or go Cougar.

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  177. Joe, the girl seems like the free spirit or at lease wannabe type. If she finds out that he actually put some effort into learning to relate to women, it won’t make a difference in her attraction.

    Also, a guy has to realize that if he gets there with pushy game, he’s probably going to have to stay there with pushy game. A woman meets a man who behaves like a man, and she hopes he’ll stay that way and not start acting like a girl who’s not sure is he wants to go all the way.

    If you’ve swept her off her feet, don’t let them touch the ground. She should land in your bed though, not on a pedestal.

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  178. Jack Burton,

    I am enjoying the show and have a pretty good idea about endgame scenarios. You do not win in any one of them. That is all I care about..

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  179. on August 19, 2009 at 10:14 pm fuck, marry, kill

    aj travis: f, m, k
    dana: f
    default user: f, m
    game in bk: f, m
    fifth horseman: m, f, f
    kickabitch: k, f, k, f, k
    kamal: f, m
    keith: f
    lupo: f
    maurice: m, f
    ovid: f
    ricky raw: f
    roosh: f
    sodini: k
    welmer: f, k, m
    willard libby: f, k

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  180. Joey’s back!:

    “What do you mean by “realizes she’s been gamed?” The only danger he’d be in is if she realizes he studied PUA stuff. So long as she thinks he’s just a natural she won’t care, she’ll just think he has an awesome personality.

    By the way, do we know for sure this whole thing happened in 10 minutes. Watch it again. There are lots of cuts. It may have been edited down. Still impressive though.”
    —thanks Joey! But we all know it would have been better had he used black game—which, of course, is not the same as ghetto game—-right Joey baby?

    lol tool.

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  181. Bhetti, my form of game has impregnated women 7 miles away. I’m like the positive version of nuclear fallout.

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  182. Silly Rabbit, that was pretty mild. She did the right thing by basically ignoring him and then getting to someplace with more people around, because that’s the same way a middle eastern woman would have handled it.

    The crying after was a bit unrealistic though, unless she was clinically depressed or something.

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  183. What! A.J. Travis is a f, m, f, f, f. All the way.

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  184. Lucy,

    Who do you think I am? Do you think you know who you are? or more specifically, why you think what you think?

    I know you are an insufferable troll, and I’m pretty sure I’ve yelled at other people for responding to you, but I’m in a self-indulgent mood this evening.

    Tell me about the “end game,” needle dick…

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  185. on August 19, 2009 at 11:05 pm jimminy cricket

    Dude, you have a really weird fanbase. Plain & simple.

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  186. aw, crap. i have to get married *before* the fuck? that’s not the way it worked in RL. who was that, anyway?

    @S. – AJ Travis? really? be careful, or you’ll be confined to the branch davidian compound in waco when the beta revolution is launched.

    @obs- map props on your handful of posts above on the moral/ethical component of game. not stated often enough. anti-feminism =!= misogyny, and recovering betas need to resist their natural impulse to convert their former bitterness to anger. once you’ve taken that red pill, it makes no sense to hate on women for their natural impulses, because, like us, they don’t really control them or choose them.

    @lurker – nuclear fallout? i’ll buy that. you seem to have pulled your share of tail. but if you came across in RL as you do on this board most of the time, you’d make them run screaming for the hills. you are clearly very smart, informed and capable of great posts. i’ve seen many. yet you choose to engage most of the time in the most pointless, vicious flaming of mostly hapless and undeserving targets. why?

    @nova- these past few days, more than usual, you’ve been a veritable font of solomonic wisdom. props and thanks.

    i’m also of the opinion that choice of target was critical to whatever achievement was represented above (augmented, fake, contrived, genuine, whatever). i know a thing or two about russian girls, and believe me, this wouldn’t have worked out in quite the same way on a typical feminist anglosphere chick.

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  187. Doug1
    I’ve seen Code Inconnu, from which that clip is taken…
    That scene does more to make me understand lynching than most anything else I’ve encountered…It made me want to shoot that asshole, yes that black and acting black asshole. Or just beat him up. To a pulp…Total sexual harassment in the true sense of the word.

    You know, Doug, I’ve experienced that kind of treatment from every race of men except those of eastern Asia. It’s hard to say one race is worse than another. But I do think that adherents of one religion, in particular, seem to be worse than others, and that religion is Islam. Many Muslim men of whatever race can be appalling for the persistence, aggressiveness, and general don’t-take-no-for-an-answer approach to women. I seldom make these kinds of accusations (in spite of what one of my blog-readers says), but in this case I’ll make an exception. I don’t understand it, but it’s there.

    As for men, street Game, and their response to rejection by race and ethnic group, here’s a thumbnail: European white men can be aggressive, but they won’t try to touch you beyond the “kino”. If you reject them they go away. African-American men can be very crude but will respond to humour; knowing how to “trash talk” is a big help. Black (Christian) Africans will be courtly and persistent, but go away if you say no firmly enough. Italians in the old days could be extremely aggressive (ask the time then put an arm around you) with foreign women but even the worst left you alone if you shook them off angrily. North American white men are unpredictable. If they’re alone, they’ll take a polite no with good grace. If they’re part of a group of men, they can be obnoxiously persistent and obscene.

    But Muslim men will track you down, follow you around, and ignore all your attempts to say no, no matter how firm they might be. I’m sure there are no statistics about this, but nearly every woman I know has had this experience. The Muslim men under the influence of Arab culture seem to be worst (that includes African ones). Those from India and further east don’t often do this kind of thing. So it can’t just be religion. On the other hand, I’ve seldom met Christian Arab men who behave this way (and I meet many such men here in Ottawa), so it can’t just be culture, either.

    My apologies to any well-mannered Arab, Muslim men and women who read this blog. I’m sure you’re a majority. It’s just that some of your co-religionists and compatriots are very rude.

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  188. wow… his energy was really calm and assertive. he could have been talking to an old friend. great video.

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  189. these past few days, more than usual, you’ve been a veritable font of solomonic wisdom. props and thanks.

    As long as he keeps saying that beta males marrying is what beta men need, then he is nothing more than a fool blathering at the mouth. He speaks the words of a false prophet to steal the hard earned fruits of labour of the beta male.

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  190. Maurice,

    A.J. Travis is a hottie. I’ll be his tagalong, lapdog, and willing concubine wherever & whenever the beta revolution is launched.

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  191. @DA- well, if you say it, it must be wrong. nova’s consistently one of the best posters on this board. i actually dig your nastier tone these days – might be a sign of some sort of incipient life transformation. maybe your new church has gone to your head and made you EVIL. like the fetal stem cells did to christopher reeve in that classic (and evil) south park episode.

    @S- *sigh*. live and learn, is all i can say. chic, you want to take this on as the self-appointed mother hen for the female commenters?

    @clio- i’ve heard mostly the same thing, anecdotally.

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  192. S. if you’re so willing to be all that to AJ doesn’t that in fact make him an alpha? And if so then the need for revolution no longer exists. Perfect the war is over before it’s even started. Perhaps you can build an army of concubines and send them into the world with the soul purpose of hypnotizing betas. Purposeful work my dear, purposeful work.

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  193. What’s wrong with A.J. Travis?

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  194. A.J. Travis doesn’t have a problem gaming women though; he just wants to change the value paradigm.

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  195. I have no beef with AJ besides him telling me my coat was a silly purchase and I should have spent the money on something more purposeful. He was right of course.

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  196. might be a sign of some sort of incipient life transformation

    There is no transformation. Just anger at the ignorance of the feeble minded who spew false facts in order to distract the betas.

    Or have I gone Colonel Kurtz?

    maybe your new church has gone to your head and made you EVIL

    L’eglise, c’est moi.

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  197. S he’s older than you are – you are looking for an older man – eh eh??

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  198. @aeofe-

    eh eh??

    gee, you *must* be canadian!?! what’s that all aboot? 🙂

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  199. @maurice

    I know it’s a bad habit eh. 😉

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  200. Exactly, aoefe. My priimary directive right now is to seduce A.J. Travis.

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  201. S now I KNOW you’re into AJ big time. Just came from your blog and first line in says girl game includes flattering male egos. So AJ if you’re paying attention (and I’m sure you are) then this girl is INTO you. Her willingness to announce to the entire blog that she’d be your concubine sets that up. Hey who knows maybe you two could be the next epoxy and lilgrl combo! I know you love that two set. heh

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  202. Maurice I’m oot and aboot on S’s blog at the momentoot.

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  203. Too bad I’m the female “enemy”…

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  204. S I don’t view you that way t’all. I might be giving the wrong impression = my bad.

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  205. @S. – i toyed with answering that question, but decided not to. if you can’t see it yourself, well– live and learn. hint: aoefe touched on his treatment of LILGRL, how basically one cheesecake photo on her website turned him into a crazed, rabid pit bull for weeks. your cheesecake shots weren’t all that different, yet in your case he left flattering posts all over your blog instead. makes you feel better, no doubt, but you’re not seeing the totality of the character implications. ‘nuf said. maybe you two deserve each other and can repopulate the earth after the glorious beta revolution. in which case, never mind me.

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  206. Eek, aoefe, I didn’t mean YOU thought I was. I meant that A.J. Travis posted about uprising against the Alpha and the female enemy. Hah, wow, if you read it that way, I would have sounded reaaaally bitchy.

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  207. Maurice, if he chastised me the same way he publicly castigated LILGRL, I might feel differently, but all in all, I think he has pretty good moral fibre and character. I think he treated her a bit harshly, I’ll concede that, but I think there’s something admirable in the fact that he’s willing to embrace the beta label because he believes in chivalric, “beta” values. He doesn’t want to embrace the absolute hedonism that so many other PUAs epouse, because he recognizes that it would mean anarchy for society.

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  208. DA:

    There is no transformation. Just anger at the ignorance of the feeble minded who spew false facts in order to distract the betas.

    Or have I gone Colonel Kurtz?

    Nah, more like this:

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  209. Novaseeker — I think the split the baby approach is what older women age 35-45 are doing the Sandra Tsing Loh and Marti Noxons. If you believe the data that Charles Murray reports preliminary, 20% of White Middle Class women births are single mothers and 40% of White Working Class women are Wendy Schwartz types.

    My guess, is that White/Anglo culture for a variety of reasons, mostly related to “class” (and fear of being labeled “White Trash”) held onto the husband/family model longer than Black and Hispanic groups, but that is starting to erode rapidly like a cliff at the beach undermined by waves. It doesn’t help that various “high class” celebrities like Angelina Jolie, and so on have kids out of wedlock (or adopt) and are celebrated for it. I think we are seeing generational change, and a change that is accelerating in the younger cohorts. I certainly see in the CDC/Census data increasing age of first marriage (unique in an economic good time period 1948-2006), and decreasing marriage numbers/percentages over time.

    Ala: Women in 60’s (Hillary generation): mostly got married, unhappy. Women in 40’s (Molly Ringwald generation): mostly got married, unhappy with Kitchen Bitch husbands. Women in thirties (Alyson Hannigan generation): about half married, takes pretty cool guy to get them, no Kitchen Bitches need apply, mostly happy with cool husbands. Women in 20’s: seriously thinking about going the Single Motherhood route.

    This is probably an over-simplification but maybe a useful model to approach generational changes.
    ———–
    AliasClio — That is pretty much how all Young Muslim men act. They act this way because they know there will be no repercussions AND they can escalate to killing AND get away with it. This is the PC/Multiculti wonderland women wanted.

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  210. @nova- these past few days, more than usual, you’ve been a veritable font of solomonic wisdom. props and thanks.

    Thanks Maurice. FWIW, the whole male-o-sphere is lit up right now. Thanks to CH in no small part. I have em linked mostly at mine, but really, this is a debate we need ALL intelligent men to participate in. Roll up, guys.

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  211. S I can be a blondie at times – if I’d read that comment properly I would have seen what you meant.

    I do have to say your defence of AJ is interesting especially where you say you like that he decries hedonism. You however are on your blog talking about the proper way to give a blow job – don’t you think that flies in the face of his message? I’m genuinely curious not wanting to point fingers, but I find it interesting.

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  212. Roll up, guys.

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  213. Aoefe,

    I meant the sort of absolute hedonism that means solely acting out of self-interest: not getting married, not having kids, just pumping and dumping.

    Yeah, I do discuss those sorts of things a lot. Because I’m a sexual person, but only in the context of a relationship. I’ve also discussed grappling with the idea of having casual sex, and being unable to bring myself to do it. I’ve been schizophrenic on that particular issue, but the advice Hope, Doug, etc. have given me have settled my mind on not attempting to be that person.

    I admire that A.J. takes the stance he does.

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  214. @ Whiskey:

    Forty-something couples are holding on to the husband-family model a little more firmly than you suggest, at least in the upper-middle class. Men and women of that age grew up in the 1970s, when the divorce/latchkey kid juggernaut ran wild. They got to see what a catastrophe divorce really is, especially for the kids. To the extent that I’ve compared notes with other 40-something parents, there’s a quiet resolve to no go down that road again.

    And Sandra Tsing-Loh and her comrades are not the universal model for the 40-something set, at least outside of the West Side of LA. No kitchen bitches among my set.

    I don’t cook, I barbecue 😉

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  215. Wow….
    I’m getting pretty good at day game… or so I thought. I have tons of looks over this guy…and yet I don’t get such a rapid progression – just a few steaming moments of strong eye contact shortly after the hair flip. Totally making out – done it but certainly not in 10 minutes while both of us are sober.

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  216. Nah, more like this:

    You put a smile on this depressed little sub-human’s face.

    Thank You. 🙂

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  217. I’ve also discussed grappling with the idea of having casual sex, and being unable to bring myself to do it.

    I’d attempt to say something fuelled by bitterness stating that you should force yourself into casual sex, but somehow, I just bring myself to that point right now…

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  218. Tupac,
    Thanks for the Warren G flashback. Brought back good memories of rollin in the white suburbs 15 years ago.

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  219. DA you have a melancholy artist’s soul. I’ve looked at your blog and you make more sense to me now. I like your photography very captivating.

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  220. @DA
    aoefe said:

    “I like your photography very captivating.”

    Sorry for posting here off topic but actually you do have a couple good photos there. You’re not too bad at it. Railfanning is more than a bit nerdy to me… but pictures of trains are always cool. I’d always like to see more art of the parts of freight rail that are never really in public view.

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  221. I like your photography very captivating.

    Ultra Beta Mode: I think you’re captivating too. 🙂

    Thank You. 😀

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  222. Jack Burton said:

    “But that’s the work of centuries. A world-dominating culture doesn’t just wink out. Our lifetimes promise decline, great catastrophes, false hopes and unimaginable horrors, but not the end of the west as we know it.”

    But Jack, EVERYTHING happens MUCH MUCH FASTER nowadays. The very rate of change itself has accelerated, and continues to do so. Even the most cursory overview of modern vs. premodern history makes this stunningly clear.

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  223. I’d always like to see more art of the parts of freight rail that are never really in public view.

    You may like what’s on display at railpictures.net. I’m not a freight foamer, but I’ve quite fond of some of the creativity and effort that’s put into some of the photos there.

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  224. The guy in this video looks like one of the stars of Flight of the Conchords.

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  225. His body language is good, but it’s not true that he planted his feet and stayed in one place. Minor body language fails I noticed: Some unnecessary shifts of weight from foot to foot, especially at the beginning. Crossed legs in a weak, feminine way at one point. Hands held in front of him defensively for too long. Building up the nerve for the kino he was about to deploy, he ran his hands through his hair in a weird way, the most nervous action in the pickup. Most of the poor body language was when he was obviously thinking about the escalation he was about to do.

    I’m guessing what he really had going for him was his eye contact, something that can’t come through on the video well, especially with his glasses. She was far more compelled by him than his words or gestures justified.

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  226. Speaking of women of different ethnic backgrounds, I seem to remember that CH said he has noticed a definite range of promiscuity across the races; specifically, he said that in his opinion, black women are more promiscuous. Can anyone find the post where he said that for me? I’ve been trying but failing.

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  227. Clio:

    You know, Doug, I’ve experienced that kind of treatment from every race of men except those of eastern Asia. It’s hard to say one race is worse than another. But I do think that adherents of one religion, in particular, seem to be worse than others, and that religion is Islam. Many Muslim men of whatever race can be appalling for the persistence, aggressiveness, and general don’t-take-no-for-an-answer approach to women. I seldom make these kinds of accusations (in spite of what one of my blog-readers says), but in this case I’ll make an exception. I don’t understand it, but it’s there.

    Whenever fair Clio makes an appearance here in this den of iniquity to proffer an opinion, my mind for some reason is assailed with images of Jane Goodall.

    I don’t quite understand it.

    Could someone help me out here?

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  228. Hey fellas. Wow, I’m impressed by this guy’s game. One thing I think we have to realize is, some guys get discouraged by their weight, whereas others use it to their advantage. As a man of size, I try to do the latter as much as possible with women.

    Guys that are on the heftier side: take note, you have a great hand to play. You can definitely get the girl. Remember, real men have curves. Show how your voluptuousness complements hers, and you will be richly rewarded in the juices of the pusses.

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  229. on August 20, 2009 at 4:53 am zunderdownunder

    Petri.

    You may have a point, but going from fit, to fat, back to fit –

    I can tell you (in my experience anyway) girls much prefer you to be in shape…that’s if you want to successfully game 7’s and above.

    Those that believe women can not be just as “visual” as men are deluding themselves. They are just better at hiding it…sneaking little peeks at your form when you ‘aint looking. Checking you out.
    Dirty ‘lil bitches.

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  230. Oh, and Petri, forgot to say,

    Getting in shape helps you by raising your testosterone, making your natural “mansmell” more appealing to women (people that are out badlyof shape tend to literally “stink”, even when not sweating), and last but not least, being in real good shape simply raises your self confidence…which is half the “game” at least anyways.

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  231. You know, Doug, I’ve experienced that kind of treatment from every race of men except those of eastern Asia. It’s hard to say one race is worse than another. But I do think that adherents of one religion, in particular, seem to be worse than others, and that religion is Islam. Many Muslim men of whatever race can be appalling for the persistence, aggressiveness, and general don’t-take-no-for-an-answer approach to women. I seldom make these kinds of accusations (in spite of what one of my blog-readers says), but in this case I’ll make an exception. I don’t understand it, but it’s there.

    What you say makes sense Clio, especially since the guy in the clip was an Arab, not a black guy. He says so himself in the clip. An Arab guy living in France in 2000. Since it’s a guy of a different race, different country of origin and a different century, I have ZERO idea why Doug is saying it helps him understand the lynching of Christian blacks in the Jim Crow south. 🙄

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  232. Also, a guy has to realize that if he gets there with pushy game, he’s probably going to have to stay there with pushy game. A woman meets a man who behaves like a man, and she hopes he’ll stay that way and not start acting like a girl who’s not sure is he wants to go all the way.

    If you’ve swept her off her feet, don’t let them touch the ground. She should land in your bed though, not on a pedestal.

    A comment worth repeating.

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  233. Oh dear. Russian women abroad do what ever it takes to stay abroad – they’ll fuck you in any position, any time, any place, as they have their eye on the prize. The prize is not you, the prize is getting to stay the hell away from Russia. Should you marry your fuckable Russian, you’re either going to get divorced after the visa issues are cleared, because she is going after a richer catch, or you are going to get divorced, because she got non-fuckable real fast after the visa issues as cleared. Enjoy the ride while it lasts, and prepare to buy real expensive gifts for her and her family while you’re on it.

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  234. You absolutely must see the Psychology Today article Brad linked to above! It is called “Turning Pickup Artists Into Gentleman” and the clinical psychiatrist author is competing with Mystery and Ron Jeffries and all the rest of the PU trainers, but from a “Real Men Should Be Real Nice Guys” perspective (or so it seems at first glance). Here are the titles of two of his books:

    “The Secret Psychology of How We Fall in Love”

    “The Power of Female Friendship.”

    “Dobransky is CEO of http://www.womenshappiness.com and works with unification models, including a patent on the only visual, diagramatic models for the development of character, gender instinct. He leads worldwide seminars at dating and relationships for both men and women.”

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-urban-scientist/200908/turning-pickup-artists-gentlemen

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  235. Russ, from what I’ve seen, Russian women are extremely conscious of their SMV, and the gold diggers among them like money too much to waste time on a guy who doesn’t have any, even for a visa. There are many though, who are the worker type with an almost insane level of work ethic. These women don’t care if you’re broke because they intend to work, and often don’t have the American tendency to dick size about income.

    Granted, they’re usually the ones who don’t look like Barbie, but as I said, they’re usually very conscious of their SMV. One who doesn’t look like Barbie doesn’t expect a sugardaddy.

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  236. clio: As you know, Islamic religious and moral standards theologically do not support any of that behaviour.

    The explanation I can put forth for you is this: different cues for sexual receptivity and some element of racism. You can be judged a slut who wants it for the simple reason you’re not wearing or acting in whatever he judges modesty to be (e.g. scarfed, tight clothing, eye contact) compounded by being a racial “other” who’s assumed to be a slut and/or meriting that treatment. Arab women… well, a bitch shield’s an understatement.

    Once got “harassed” by a classmate when in year eight or so in the UAE: comments, snapping my bra strap. Complete violation considering the context then. Very angry, threw a shoe at him and missed until finally found a threat that would make him stop: reporting to the discipline supervisor which would cause a suspension at best. Persuaded me to be merciful on him and just enjoy the power making him ‘be a good boy’ and show me his detention book for a week. Begged me not to tell, every time. He was playing and manipulating to the situation, but what a blast of power it gave me, to reverse the balance so completely. Spotted him being a prefect one day and he thanked me for his reformation (playing to my ego? *shrug*)

    Same sort of thing happened here in the UK in year 10. Perhaps no sexual overtones but the harassment ended with the white boy cutting a bit off my hair “accidentally”. Actually in angry tears so he auto. got reported in (would’ve socked him one, which would’ve been completely understandable in non-PC world, but no I’m going to stay on the safe side of the rules and not kill him). Got a pretty apology for me. Maybe a suspension. I don’t know if it made a difference.

    The character in the clip doesn’t seem to be Arab. Arabs have strong nationalistic identities. They don’t go around saying “I’m Arab.” I only do it myself for the sake of anonymity. There’s nothing to indicate he’s Arab in the clip, but I haven’t watched the rest.

    Nicole: I thought the crying is completely appropriate after being harassed that way, then the scare. That final jump and shock would be forcing an emotional reaction, which combined with a feeling of relief and safety would release them.

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  237. “fuck, marry, kill
    aj travis: f, m, k
    dana: f
    default user: f, m
    game in bk: f, m
    fifth horseman: m, f, f
    kickabitch: k, f, k, f, k”

    ahahah ahhahaha ahhahahha ahhhha

    i like this blog

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  238. Lurker,

    Replies as follows:

    LURKER: Please, the idea that black men have better game than non-blacks is hilarious. What black men have is less impulse control than non-black men and low standards.

    OBSIDIAN: Setting aside the last two contentious comments aside, I think you might be jumping the gun here. The comment you’re responding to, which was originally made by Tupac as I recall, didn’t argue that “black men have better game than non blacks”. What he said was that Black Men tend to have more NATURAL GAME than non-Black Men, and then proceeded to give his reasons for this.

    Now, you may or may not agree w/all that, fine. But let’s at least get the quotes and context correct?

    Black Men on average, have more Natural Game than White Men, again, all things being equal. I think its fair to say, and here we can turn to the ladies of the forum, that Black Men as a rule tend to have a different kind of vibe than do White Men, on average.

    Does that then mean that Black Men are superior to White Men in pickup up gals?

    No.

    All it means, and if you scroll back to my earlier comments upthread, is that Black Men seem to have certain aspects of Game more “down pat’ than do Whites again, on average. In fact, I was careful to note this in my aforementioned comments, and then said that this is a good chance for the both sides of the community to learn from each other. I also noted how some of the Black guys I knew, knew nothing about some of the core fundaments of Game and informed them of this.

    L: black men will hit on a woman anywhere, anytime, even if at work and the rules forbid, or if they put their lives in danger. Just today, I saw a black man try to hit on a woman crossing a busy New York street. She kept walking, but traffic started up and almost clocked him. Not even the guy in the video would have done that; he would have smoothly waited for her to get across the street first.

    O: While no doubt what you say is true, I think quite a few NYC ladies could say the same of quite a few non-Black Men as well.

    Moreover, your statement presumes that NYC Black Men is a good proxy for all the Black Men in the country. If so, I can tell you for a fact, since I’m a Black Man and have been all my life, that you are wrong. All Black Men don’t act in the manner you’ve just described. Only some do.

    L: The fact is, blacks overall v. non-blacks have very low impulse control and inability to plan for the future. So they put their lives in danger for short term high risks that have very little reward; hence the number who develop gambling problems (especially with impossible to win dice games and roulette), addictions to substances, lack of savings, poor education choices, breaking the law for minimul gain or the meaningless “respect”, and, most importantly, blaming others for their mistakes.

    O: Non-sequitur.

    L: they also will hit on every body type not excluding obsesely fat or anorexic thin. What most men find disgusting black men will stick it into.

    O: Again, non-sequitur.

    L: Italian men in Italy, especially Southern Italy, have these impulse control problems. Not surprisingly, Southern Italy is beset with mafioso and poorer quality of life than the north. But Italian men are so romantic—-re, they hit on you a lot!

    O: Perhaps. But we’re discussing your main statements wrt Black Men and Game.

    L: One key factor game students notice (myself included) is that game’s first rule is to talk to women you find attractive instead of not. This automatically ups your numbers (see Rooshv and Mystery for people who espouse this ideal), since more numbers=more chances to score. For many men, just talking to more women deliberately is all the game they want or need.

    O: OK.

    L: Havign lived in NYC, you see how piss-poor black game on everything but approaches. Every so often, a group of brothers/gangsta wannabes (re: not a normal guy who just happens to be black) show up in some non-black neighborhood and think they’re going to clean up. They end up making asses of themselves, hit on everything that moves, awkwardly can’t leave conversations, and usually get tired and frustrated, or find the few fat-asses who haven’t been hit on in years.

    O: Again, I think you’re painting Black Male Game, if you will, w/a very broad brush. For example, I happen to know quite a few Black Men in NYC who don’t act in the manner you just relayed at all, and in fact would themselves find such behavior problematic.

    L: The only thing they have is constant approaches; that bravery gets them a little. But their ghetto game is so piss poor, uncivilized, and rude it hurts them alot. Taught by culture to act like racial stereotypes or else they’re not “keepin’ it real,” their game consists of sad parodies of some “smooth brother” they saw in a movie once. And the smooth brother act, while a good fiction, doesn’t work if you’re just a copycat.

    O: Hmm. OK, please describe, in detail, exactly what “Ghetto Game” is?

    L: In pro wrestling, the wrestlers who achieve success with a gimmick like to say its not that they’re pretending to be someone else; its just their own personality turned up to 11. Ric Flair, The Rock, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, Sean Michaels, Undertaker…..faking their personalities would be a very hard thing over 10-20 years in the ring.

    O: Not sure I would use something like the WWE, but I guess I see your point.

    L: So non-blacks, to get game, need to overcome their fear of rejection and strike out more; black men, however, who already approach more need to develop social skills and personalities, not tired cliches about the ghetto.

    O: And those “tired cliches about the ghetto” would be…? I and other Black Men, who’ve never come from that orientation, would like to know, please.

    In conclusion Lurker, while I find your comments not w/o complete merit, they are grossly oversimplified, at best. There are plenty of Black Men who run counter to the many things you’ve said here, I’m one of them. Not only are Black Men different from region to region in the country, but there is a big distinction to be made btw “ghetto” and urban; I’m undoubtedly the latter, never have been, nor desire to be, the former.

    O

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  239. on August 20, 2009 at 7:48 am Cannon's Canon

    “Guys that are on the heftier side: take note, you have a great hand to play. You can definitely get the girl. Remember, real men have curves. Show how your voluptuousness complements hers, and you will be richly rewarded in the juices of the pusses.”

    Yeah, and fat women can wait for their special little snowflake. To maximize your odds of pulling hot ass, get off your ‘gaybuttox’ and run some wind-sprints.

    My game has grown exponentially this year, but I still know that my best odds, SNLs or LTRs, stems from my base attraction threshold. It’s nice to know fat Jeff Goldblum doppelgangers can pull chicks, just like leukemia patients often survive. How overwhelmingly hopeful.

    Until you perfect such game, your physical “beta tells” will keep you from these street-makeouts.

    Honestly, I love power-lifting. But are there any meaty Hollywood/magazine leads anymore? Strength training has a diminishing return on development. Faggy as they may be, “Men’s Health and Fitness” cover boys appeal to the widest array of chicks.

    Call me old-fashioned, but I pine for the days when sweeping quadriceps were marriage material.

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  240. kiss close? what about the “sex in the bathroom of the kennel club” close?

    any woman who denies this can happen is lying. period. i WAS a young women in my 20s once with a whole group of whore friends. we went to bars and clubs all the time. when i was 22 some guy once talked me into blowing him on the ferry from dover to ostend (a 2-3 hour trip) by looking coolly goth, telling me he was in a band and telling me he was freakin’ daniel ash from love and rockets’ brother. what a fucking moron i was. that 22 year old girls can vote is unconscionable.

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  241. on August 20, 2009 at 7:59 am aussie girl in australia

    Clio

    This has also been my experience, especially in London. I’ve had muslim men follow me in a threatening manner at night, even after I’ve said I don’t want to talk to them. I even had a muslim bus driver try it on when I was the last one on the bus late one night. Very threatening and unpleasant.
    I also had an occasion where I went on one coffee date with an arab Catholic. Realised I was not interested (when he told me he slapped his little sister around for bringing home a B on her report card), told him so but he kept pursuing. Calling, emailing, telling me he was praying rosaries for me and that God wanted me to be his wife! Creepy in the extreme!

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  242. Alias Clio,
    We have to keep in mind that not only is the Islamic world quite diverse but that the Arab portion is an numerical, albeit influential minority. I can tell you for a fact that there are many Muslim males who do not act in the way you ascribe toward Women.

    Present company included.

    Here in the USA, there is an offshoot of Islam known as the Nation of Islam, or NOI. Part of its core training for Men is in treating Women w/respect, as one of its founding principles is that a Nation can rise no higher than its Woman. Given the nature of the posts here recently, that’s a statement we all would do well to meditate on.

    I’ve mentioned the HBO hit series The Wire several times here in the forum. One of the more interesting characters, is a Black Man known as Brother Mouzone (which is Arabic for “Judicious”). His style of dress and demeanor, comports w/that of the NOI. Trust me when I tell you, such a Man would NOT be treating you or any other Woman in such a manner as you described.

    The Obsidian

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  243. Re. Doug’s, Clio’s and Bhetti’s comments: the past 50 years of mass immigration into Europe and to a lesser extent into North America was THE worst crime against humanity ever. The perpetrators and enablers will have their Nuremberg trials and hangings. And the deluge will be reversed.

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  244. Katto,
    Yes, I’m familiar w/the Dobransky/Urban Scientist piece from the Psychology Today website you referenced above. I thought his article was quite informative, though I can’t speak to his books. He makes some very powerful points, perhaps the biggest one being, that the Game/PUA community is a result of a real and urgent need on the part of Men to address core interests in our postmodern, postfeminist times.

    Additionally, Dobransky’s piece has been mentioned and linked to here in the forum before.

    O

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  245. O: I’m not happy with the insinuation that Arab men as a whole aren’t taught courtesy to women. The highest level of protection and help I’ve attained was from them. A Bangladeshi muslim neighbour who could barely speak English helped me with my bags. The men in my family are complete gentlemen, treating women like precious pretty snowflakes (but a bit silly, to be humoured and not to be paid too much attention to).

    There’re low class men everywhere. That the worst harassment seems to be noted by clio/aussie as coming from Arab/Islamic men is probably due to a broken slutmeter. There’re high class men everywhere. By rights I should be receiving the same crappy treatment because I dress provocatively especially being Arab myself. I don’t get, see or observe this treatment or indications that it should happen from my circles in London, which aren’t the minority.

    PA: Nuremberg = Exaggeration? However, the EU hasn’t dealt with any of it very well, really. I feel like London’s a second Arab/muslim state sometimes with the Gulf Arabs taking central and muslims taking East London at the very least.

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  246. O: I’m not happy with the insinuation that Arab men as a whole aren’t taught courtesy to women. The highest level of protection and help I’ve attained was from them. A Bangladeshi muslim neighbour who could barely speak English helped me with my bags. The men in my family are complete gentlemen, treating women like precious pretty snowflakes (but a bit silly, to be humoured and not to be paid too much attention to).

    There’re low class men everywhere. That the worst harassment seems to be noted by clio/aussie as coming from Arab/Islamic men is probably due to a broken slutmeter. There’re high class men everywhere. By rights I should be receiving the same crappy treatment because I dress provocatively especially being Arab myself. I don’t get, see or observe this treatment or indications that it should happen from my circles in London, which aren’t the minority.

    PA: Nuremberg = Exaggeration? However, the EU hasn’t dealt with any of it very well, really. I feel like London’s a second Arab/muslim state sometimes with the Gulf Arabs taking central and muslims taking East London at the very least.
    BTW I love your blog!

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  247. Bhetti, sadly, the sheer speed and scale of Population Replacement and the fanatical malevolence with which any dissent is crushed makes makes it not an exaggeration.

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  248. Maurice,
    Hey, thanks, Man. Its something I’ve been giving a good bit of thought to, the moral/ethical parts of Game, and have decided that it too will be a part of the blog when its finally up and running. Don’t know exactly how I’ll go about doing it, but you’re right, there’s a real need to discuss this a lot more than the community currently does.

    Any ideas you may have along these lines, by all means, feel free.

    The Obsidian

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  249. Bhetti says, “Nicole: I thought the crying is completely appropriate after being harassed that way, then the scare. That final jump and shock would be forcing an emotional reaction, which combined with a feeling of relief and safety would release them.”

    It may be appropriate in a way, it’s just not going to happen very often. In most cases I’ve experienced or observed, I or the woman being insulted was too angry for crying. I think that was a theatrical device to garner pity for the girl, and make the guys seem like bullies picking on someone more defenseless than she actually was.

    In my experience, it’s rare for Arab guys to behave like this towards normal women in public. The ones who would are either posers who are showing off, or in a similar situation to guys of other ethnicities who would be thugs/chavs. It’s not as if there are no Arab single mothers or lax dads.

    I once put a confrontation to a screeching halt by mentioning the names of a guy’s relatives I might know, and threatening to tell them what their son was up to in his evenings in the Carmel (like trying to pick up women old enough to be his mother). The idea that his mom would find out took the wind out of his sails.

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  250. Jack Burton,

    Your type fading into irrelevance= “end game”.

    I don’t think that is news to you. Infact, you know (at some level) that is the outcome of all scenarios.

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  251. I’m not happy with the insinuation that Arab men as a whole aren’t taught courtesy to women. The highest level of protection and help I’ve attained was from them. A Bangladeshi muslim neighbour who could barely speak English helped me with my bags. The men in my family are complete gentlemen, treating women like precious pretty snowflakes (but a bit silly, to be humoured and not to be paid too much attention to).

    There’re low class men everywhere. That the worst harassment seems to be noted by clio/aussie as coming from Arab/Islamic men is probably due to a broken slutmeter.

    There were articles in City Journal about this. It’s a combination of Arab culture which has very different concepts of personal space and Western stereotypes about Western white women that leads to a lot of it. They may not do it to you despite how you’re dressed because you’re of Arab descent, regardless of how you dress. But they have this idea of the West being a land of pornified culture and slutty sportfucking women who get drunk and act skanky in the name of feminism. You know, the same stereotypes about American and European we throw around here on this blog a lot. This is happening a lot in Sweden. The Muslims treat their own women a certain way but view Western women as whores to sow their oats with and disrespect before settling down and marrying a more chaste woman of their own culture. Throw in the fact that the men tend to be lower class to boot and it gets even worse.

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  252. @Bhetti/Nicole

    The woman in the clip’s tears were a result of relief. The tension escalated after the dude had spit on her and the other passenger jumped to her defence. There was a very real chance the young man could have seriously hurt the older man and guilt on her part was at play. Even though she hadn’t done anything overt her attractiveness had now created a potentially dangerous situation. She was scared but she also felt responsible. Sounds crazy but I think true. The tension seemed to dissipate when things settled down and the younger man even told them not to worry as he was leaving. When he scared them by yelling it brought the lessening tension to the surface very quickly. Her tears were needed to bring her massive anxiety down – relief.

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  253. maurice, every single attack I have made is a result of being attacked first. For example, joey baby decided he didn’t want to learn how to read before he attacked me, so I schooled him, and, like a bitch, he ran away.

    With morons like Warpig, cuntrag, tjf, joey baby, doug the pussy, and O-Foreman around here, spewing nonsense and rattling off unsubstantiated claims, someone needs to enlighten their stupidity. Harshly.

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  254. joey baby:

    “There were articles in City Journal about this. It’s a combination of Arab culture which has very different concepts of personal space and Western stereotypes about Western white women that leads to a lot of it. They may not do it to you despite how you’re dressed because you’re of Arab descent, regardless of how you dress. But they have this idea of the West being a land of pornified culture and slutty sportfucking women who get drunk and act skanky in the name of feminism. You know, the same stereotypes about American and European we throw around here on this blog a lot. This is happening a lot in Sweden. The Muslims treat their own women a certain way but view Western women as whores to sow their oats with and disrespect before settling down and marrying a more chaste woman of their own culture. Throw in the fact that the men tend to be lower class to boot and it gets even worse.”

    —but if they had black game—which is not ghetto game—they’d clean up, right joey baby?

    lol tool.

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  255. map props on your handful of posts above on the moral/ethical component of game. not stated often enough. anti-feminism =!= misogyny, and recovering betas need to resist their natural impulse to convert their former bitterness to anger.

    This is true, but I still see nothing wrong with getting same day conversation kiss closes and one night stands so long as you’re not lying to the women about your intentions or treating them like shit after you get what you want.

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  256. joey baby:
    “This is true, but I still see nothing wrong with getting same day conversation kiss closes and one night stands so long as you’re not lying to the women about your intentions or treating them like shit after you get what you want.”

    —having black game. or ghetto game. because they’re not the same thing. right joey baby?

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  257. “Ok. So “Game” is apparently the best argument ever for Hitler and Nazism. And the Third Reich or some variation thereof is the last instance of when a society was composed of gentlemen and ladies.”

    Actualy, Hitler considered himself a gentleman around the ladies. He was very popular among women. During the 1920ies, when he still was a nobody he convinced burgoise women to donate their jewels to the cause. He worried about the virtue of his female secretaries and tried to find good aryan housbands for them. He met Eva Braun when he was in his late thirties and she was a beautiful sixteen year old teen. The Führer had good taste with women. Finally, Hitler opposed women to serve in the Wehrmacht, because it went againt his true gentleman believes. Even as Germany was losing the war, Hitler strictly prohibited to enlist young, fit women, with the excpetion of a few fighter pilots because he was an old style gentleman. Stalin had no problem using women as soldiers and cannonfodder in his army. In the end, the Red army won because Stalin was more inmoral, cruel and ruthless than Hitlers. The Russian soldiers feared more their comissars than the nazi enemy.

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  258. Lurker,
    I am all for being “schooled” provided the “teacher” has the chops to get the job done. I have posted a detailed response to your “Ghetto Game” post. I await your response. Teach on…if you can.

    O

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  259. Brad subterfuged:

    Betas who are unsuccessful with women, who have never had something like this happen, will doubt the fact that these videos are in fact real. This is because not only have they never experienced something like this, it makes them bitter that it could happen to someone who they see as having lower value.

    Clever logic: anybody believing a YouTube vid is a beta faggot – and an unsuccessful one at that. Very original.

    Hey – Braddie sounds like just the type to “attend a seminar”

    But, he probably already
    teache$
    one

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  260. did someone mention hitler?

    where brooklyn at!?

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  261. @ Joe –

    That’s not true, at least in Cairo. Local men there will harass Arab women as well, although provocatively dressed Western tourists get it worst. Wearing a hijab makes a slight difference sometimes. The harassment on the Paris subway in that movie scene is nothing. We’re talking leaning out of cars to grab ass. I don’t know why some Arab men act like this, but I’ve noticed it’s almost always lower class men and teenage boys. You won’t see it in suburban areas with more educated men. That said, the reductionism from some commenters here is crazy. I’m all for race realism, but talking about “Arab men” like there’s no distinction between a law firm partner in Dubai and a street kid in Cairo just sounds dumb.

    Re: “ghetto game” –

    I get hit on a LOT by ghetto American black males and they aren’t too bad in general. They’re pushy and sometimes annoying, but easy to disarm. Their game seems to be the male version of a “shit test”, and the worst response is to act uptight or bitchy like many white women do. That just makes them step up the harassment. But joking around and trash-talking a bit, while stating I’m married/committed, usually works. The few times I’ve thought “run away or you’re gonna get raped”, it’s been with white men.

    The best thing the guy in the video did was picking the right target. Notice her body language was open to him immediately, and she was smiling even before he started talking. Either she’s a plant, or a rare find: a lonely girl who’s new in the area and actively looking for adventure. I think the best choice would be girls who are walking around slowly, looking up at things and generally acting curious about their surroundings. I don’t think this approach would work on a local girl walking purposefully to work.

    And chubby men shouldn’t worry so much about getting women. Going to the gym is never a bad thing, but plenty of women like the teddy bear types if their game is also tight. I’m sure Seth Rogen is swimming in girls right now.

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  262. on August 20, 2009 at 11:55 am Black Military Man

    My jaunt around the nets this morning brought home this fruit;

    “I live in L.A, so the dating scene is so so but there is always something to do. This is not a relationship or dating city, at least it feel that way sometimes. My friends unfortunately are no longer single, because they have settled. I can say that because they have admitted to settling btw. The guys aren’t always stuck up but I think they have become accustomed to girls hitting on them so they don’t have to approach. I hang out at restaurants, bars, coffee places, etc. Just being out, being seen seems to be the biggest factor in dating, and dating well. ”

    …According to this young lady L.A. is THE PLACE for guys. You don’t need game there, the women approach you.

    Exodus. Movement of Jah people.

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  263. Kalliope,
    I tend to agree w/the “teddy bear” types of guys-Barry White, Heavy D, Wendell Price (Bunk Moreland from The Wire), etc et al, are all portly Men, none of whom seem to have any problem gettin Women.

    O

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  264. That’s not true, at least in Cairo. Local men there will harass Arab women as well, although provocatively dressed Western tourists get it worst. Wearing a hijab makes a slight difference sometimes. The harassment on the Paris subway in that movie scene is nothing. We’re talking leaning out of cars to grab ass. I don’t know why some Arab men act like this, but I’ve noticed it’s almost always lower class men and teenage boys. You won’t see it in suburban areas with more educated men. That said, the reductionism from some commenters here is crazy. I’m all for race realism, but talking about “Arab men” like there’s no distinction between a law firm partner in Dubai and a street kid in Cairo just sounds dumb.

    I did mention the lower class thing, and it’s definitely worse among them, but European women have told me that even rich Arabs can be pretty disrespectful to them in Europe. Two Eastern European girls who were friends told me about experiences they with rich, powerful Arabs partying in Europe. It wasn’t street harrassment but money harrassment, stuff like “I’m rich, I’ll give you $1,000/a shopping spree/whatever if you go home with me.” They often view Western women as slutty whores without values that they can just buy a lot of the time.

    I don’t think it’s just a class thing but an assimilation thing. A professor is more likely to have to work for and associate with lots of different types of people and as a result recognize and assimilate into Western cultural norms more. But both the lower class guy and the independently rich guy with Oil money I described however can get away with being pretty unassimilated.

    I get hit on a LOT by ghetto American black males and they aren’t too bad in general. They’re pushy and sometimes annoying, but easy to disarm. Their game seems to be the male version of a “shit test”, and the worst response is to act uptight or bitchy like many white women do. That just makes them step up the harassment. But joking around and trash-talking a bit, while stating I’m married/committed, usually works.

    Yeah, “ghetto black” game is pretty pushy and annoying. That’s beyond debate. But no one here ever claimed it was a good thing. We were originally talking about overall black “natural” game. Like Obsidian said, “urban” not “ghetto.” Think middle class guys like Will Smith, Denzel, Terrence Howard, Boris Kodjoe, Usher, Morris Chestnut or Jamie Foxx.

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  265. dana confessed:

    when i was 22 some guy once talked me into blowing him on the ferry…by looking coolly goth, telling me he was …freakin’ daniel ash from love and rockets

    i had to edit that down

    you must have been fairly hot back then to be the target of such sexual subterfuge.

    bet you didn’t spit

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  266. Joe,
    I’ve often wondered WHY so many Whites either can’t or won’t make the distinctions btw differing types of Black folks, like the ones you mentioned above, from the “ghetto” Blacks Lurker mentioned. Clearly he knows who Smith and Washington are, and both had solid middle class suburban or quasi-suburban upbringings from day one. There are scores of such Black Men in America, and have been for decades now. Why couldn’t he see that?

    It’s the same thing wrt the discussions involving Black Women-often, only the worst type of Black Women are mentioned, ie, the Shaniquas of the world, or, failing that, when other Black Women like Berry, Beyonce’ are mentioned, they are discounted as not being “truly Black” because they have varying degrees of White ancestry. It’s like the only “real” Black Women in existence are sub-Saharan, Shirley Hemphill types.

    My own thinking on these matters is that often a kind of evolutionary quirk kicks in in the minds of many Whites; T aka Ricky Raw has written about this sometime on his blog, and I think it makes sense-the need to automatically think of the worst kinds of the “other” so as to protect one’s own group. This of course, isn’t rational in the least, but it does explain a great deal of White behavior and attitudes wrt Blacks.

    For example, why Oprah Winfrey would be followed around in a store, or why Black Men in business suits can be pulled over more than White college kids by White cops, etc.

    Most African Americans don’t live in ghettos, nor are most part of the underclass. Yet whenever Black folk are mentioned, these are the depictions of Blacks in the minds of many Whites.

    A very interesting phenomenon.

    O

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  267. any woman who denies this can happen is lying. period. i WAS a young women in my 20s once with a whole group of whore friends. we went to bars and clubs all the time.

    @dana

    Wow. I’m not lying. I’m 25, never set foot in a single club, and I only ever went to bars for lunch or going away parties with former coworkers. I also only ever had nerdy friends.

    I kissed one guy that I wasn’t in a relationship with. It was at the one house party I went to during middle school and high school. I was 13, and they were playing a spin the bottle game and dared me to kiss this guy. I did have a sort of crush on him for a year and half.

    All the guys I was in a relationship with has told me “I love you,” and I’m inclined to believe them because I saw each shed real tears. I may be a horrible heartbreaker, but I’d never even kiss strangers, much less do anything sexual with them.

    I almost can’t believe that there are women would do that. But I’ve always been a little frightened of other women. I think I’m kind of like a beta male in my interactions… shy and placating to women when I talk to them.

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  268. hope, well someone is doing it because the bars, clubs and spring break capitols of the world are full of men and women looking to get laid.

    to be fair, my experiences were within the context of the mid 80s -early 90s punk/goth/hardcorehipster scene, it was very common there and not as much in the regular world as it has become now–this was before every sorority girl had a tramp stamp and a belly ring. in that respect i think i was more of a “precursor” in the mold of bruno and michel’s mom in elementary particles

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  269. @ Obsidian –

    I forgot Anthony Anderson from Law & Order, a ‘teddy bear’ actor who is also attractive to women. I don’t think weight is as big of an issue for female attraction, but a big man has to be very smooth in his approach and demeanor. I’d call it “Big Poppa” game.

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  270. blahblahbla.

    so you DID swallow. no biggy.

    why not just accept the truth and admit it

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  271. Joey bayb:

    “. But no one here ever claimed it was a good thing. We were originally talking about overall black “natural” game.”
    —–so game that only black people can have? I call bs. Good game is good game.

    “Like Obsidian said, “urban” not “ghetto.””
    —urban is just the marketing term for ghetto.

    “Think middle class guys like Will Smith, Denzel, Terrence Howard, Boris Kodjoe, Usher, Morris Chestnut or Jamie Foxx.”
    —lol joey baby:
    1. Will smith’s younger act was sitcom-ghetto–remember, he was poor ghetto boy in Uncle Phil’s house. Now he’s morphed (see hitch) into regular/non racial game.

    2. Denzel has never been portrayed as having “game” to my knowledge—maybe Training Day, but that was ghetto game. He’s just been handsome and talented. Ps The reason why most of the time his characters don’t game is because his female co-star is white, and Denzel (yes, Denzel, not the studio) has resisted interracial romances on screen for himself for fear of alienating his black female base.

    3. Terrence Howard—one movie as extreme ghetto game, and his normal personality is hippy/poet game—which is nonracial.

    4. Boris Kodjoe—no idea who this joker is.

    5. Usher—is gay. He does the fake ghetto playa thing a lot–see that abomination of a movie he made with Chazz Palmentari.

    6. Morris Chestnut—eh? Suppiorting actor. Never saw any game there.

    7. Jamie Foxx is a clown, a loudmouthed ghetto game. It worked on black sitcoms—see the Jamie Foxx show, or his performances with Kanye—-but its straight ghetto game.

    You lose, joey baby.

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  272. I don’t understand that at all dana. I cannot enjoy doing anything remotely physical without getting to know the person first, without an emotional connection… without love. It feels wrong and awful otherwise.

    Maybe it’s a cultural difference, since I grew up in China during the 80’s and 90’s. There was no cleavage on TV or any advertising. I remember coming to America and being totally shocked that people kissed on TV, because that wasn’t shown on even programming for adults.

    There if you were kissing in public it would be illegal. I think there was a scandal not too long ago about a couple in China being caught on film kissing. But I guess here, not kissing right away would make a girl seem frigid, and guys don’t want that. The culture difference is crazy.

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  273. After some research I guess it’s not illegal to kiss in public, just people don’t want to be seen doing it. The scandal was that a couple kissed in a subway, and there was a leaked video of that kiss. The employees who uploaded the video were fired, and the company had to apologize for violation of privacy. All this commotion over kissing, which is a very casual thing for the west.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSEIC55638420080125

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  274. kalli0pe burbled:

    @ Obsidian –

    I forgot Anthony Anderson from Law & Order, a ‘teddy bear’ actor who is also attractive to women. I don’t think weight is as big of an issue for female attraction, but a big man has to be very smooth in his approach and demeanor. I’d call it “Big Poppa” game.

    or, have “very famous actor” demeanor… with all the acquirements of money, power and fame that accompany such status.

    If Joe Nobody “Pig Poppa” hits on you at a bar – instant dismissal.

    If Jud Appatow Jr hits on you – you spread like butter.

    predictable.

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  275. on August 20, 2009 at 1:18 pm Black Military Man

    Obsi, I feel ya on what you are saying wrt blacks being stereotyped into hood rats.

    However, you yourself admitted that most of us – even the highly educated, placed suburbanites like me and my family can bounce between the ‘hood and the neighborhood with equal ease.

    Whether this is true or not for most of us, it is true for many of us. I blame it on the media and pop culture.

    Check out all the reality shows on MTV, VH1 and other channels. The only kind of black women they want on those shows are loud and obnoxious black women who play into the stereotype. These women are contracted and paid to act like that. They don’t want just a normal, plain, chilled-out black woman coz that’s boring. And they won’t even touch a refined black woman.

    Reality TV is about as real as my mama’s weave. LOL.

    But if truth be told, these same reality TV shows often pay white women to act low class and bitchy as well. And shows like Maury Povich actually get real life hicks, rednecks and other assorted white trash in all their glory to air their dirty laundry before the entire world.

    Basically the media and pop culture is catering to the lowest common denominator and encouraging higher level folk like you and me to act ghetto and hick.

    Perhaps most of America is composed of un-cultured and intellectually challenged rednecks, hicks, white trash and ‘hood rats?

    Any stats on this?

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  276. on August 20, 2009 at 1:32 pm Comment_Whatever

    It’s also amusing that people are bringing up that a woman shouldn’t cry when upset. Yes, yes, any display of emotions are Bad, Bad, Bad. Emotions, as we know, can lead people to ignoring the intricate, insane and destructive rules that currently are wrecking the West.

    Emotions can lead people to dirtying up pretty stupid lies with contempt and mockery. The appropriate face is a Happy face, because we live in a Happy world. Where we wave, Happily of course, at the naked King… because that is what’s expected.

    You are Happy, aren’t you Citizen? Happiness is required.

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  277. Hope:

    I don’t understand that at all dana. I cannot enjoy doing anything remotely physical without getting to know the person first, without an emotional connection… without love. It feels wrong and awful otherwise.

    are you a hot, but repressed child of The Cultural Revolution, or a chunk

    your writing is unusual.

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  278. Comment, I wasn’t saying the woman shouldn’t cry. I was saying that it seems strange to me that a woman would cry in such a situation. It just wasn’t realistic.

    I’ve seen women being on the receiving end of lewd comments, and been there myself…no tears happened.

    Some cussing, some throwing rocks, some brothers or male friends coming out of the woodwork, a couple of times the guy getting the crap beat out of him by said brothers…never the woman busting out crying.

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  279. But if truth be told, these same reality TV shows often pay white women to act low class and bitchy as well. And shows like Maury Povich actually get real life hicks, rednecks and other assorted white trash in all their glory to air their dirty laundry before the entire world.

    True. Look at your average VH1 reality show and you’ll see they aren’t doing white people any favors either! Worst offender right now is Tool Academy.

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  280. “True. Look at your average VH1 reality show and you’ll see they aren’t doing white people any favors either! Worst offender right now is Tool Academy.”
    —except if they had black game they would succeed, right joey baby?

    lol tool.

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  281. Katto: Sure, I guess, in general. Maybe the western ruling class (most of whom do not think of themselves as such) will misjudge things and lose control, but to who? Who’s the superior contender? Just chaos? Chaos favors the smartest, most unprincipled people who are the most heavily armed and have the least compunction about killing anyone they need to to get their way. I think that’s a pretty accurate description of our ruling class, though it suits them to pretend otherwise most of the time.

    We’ll see, I guess.

    Lucy: You didn’t answer my question. What do you think “my type” is? Are you talking about white people in general, or conservatives, or what?

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  282. Lurker, given blacks´ propensity to fabricate racial harassment cases, I am beginning to suspect that you are a black guy posing as a raging racial realist in order to make us all look bad

    Any (white) person reading this blog – and for everyone commenting there may be 20 who only read and do not comment – who is in doubt about race realism will read your debate with Joe and Obsidian and conclude “racists are losers” & ” balcks are cool” & “racists are nazis”

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  283. @ Firepower-

    I once worked with a guy, 6’4″ 300-lb Irish former bar owner. He was a badass type with natural game. He cleaned up with girls. There are plenty of other examples out there. Game helps fat guys too. It cannot, however, help fat girls.

    @ Black Military Men-

    Are you really using the demographic on the Maury Povich show to extrapolate what “most of America” looks like?

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  284. gig,

    There’s a difference between a race realist and a racist.

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  285. @ Joe-

    ooh, smackdown!

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  286. on August 20, 2009 at 2:08 pm Comment_Whatever

    Ghost of Nicole said:

    Some cussing, some throwing rocks, some brothers or male friends coming out of the woodwork, a couple of times the guy getting the crap beat out of him by said brothers…never the woman busting out crying.

    So basically your just projecting your stunt of having other men beat up men you are angry at on the white women. Right Nicole? Then you tell the white woman to knock it off.

    If the white woman were black, or Asian like Hope, and the colored men white, like you know, Hope’s husband, would you then scream for blood his blood?

    This is a hypothetical question Nicole, because nobody here really knows what you would actually say in that situation.

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  287. on August 20, 2009 at 2:10 pm Comment_Whatever

    Hope’s EX-husband. I need to proof-read more.

    Also, ‘on the white woman’ not ‘on the white women’.

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  288. “So basically your just projecting your stunt of having other men beat up men you are angry at on the white women. Right Nicole? Then you tell the white woman to knock it off.”

    This is why I said before, do not heed Nicole’s advice. It’s very dangerous.

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  289. kalli0pe subjectified:

    @ Firepower-

    I once worked with a guy, 6′4″ 300-lb Irish former bar owner. He was a badass type with natural game. He cleaned up with girls.

    ok, your personal exception to the rule proves everything.

    put your
    “Sade Lips”
    av
    back up

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  290. Comment, again: I am not saying what the woman should or should not do. I am saying that what happened in that scene runs counter to what I have witnessed in similar situations in real life.

    So it just doesn’t seem realistic to me.

    Your pity for a fictional character is exactly what the director wants you to feel. It is even causing you to have an irrational reaction to a woman who has actually been through things like that and worse, and seen things like that and worse happen to others.

    …and you may moralize as much as you like, but I feel no, zero, zippo, nada, not one teeny weeny iota of remorse for defending myself by whatever means were necessary at the times I’ve had to. You can feel free to whine about what kind of a sociopath I must be for not feeling bad for watching someone who tried to harm me bleed.

    I don’t call the cops. I call “love & hate” and failing that, I call my crew. If you have issues with that, those are yours to deal with, not mine. If it’s a choice between my health and wellbeing and some stupid punk I don’t know, then I’m choosing mine over his.

    No, it’s not gracious or feminine, but it works for me.

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  291. S. confessed:

    Exactly, aoefe. My priimary directive right now is to seduce A.J. Travis.

    bring talcum
    and handcuffs

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  292. on August 20, 2009 at 2:26 pm Comment_Whatever

    kalli0pe said:

    I once worked with a guy, 6′4″ 300-lb Irish former bar owner. He was a badass type with natural game. He cleaned up with girls.

    Firepower:

    ok, your personal exception to the rule proves everything.

    While it is true that kalli0pe is using the old ‘the exception disproves the rule’ trick, I have no doubt that a Bar owner, who was also probably a BARTENDER, clean up with women. Normal bartenders do well with women because of the enormous number of ‘free’ approaches they get, and they get plenty of interesting stories from customers.

    But this guy is Super-Bartender.

    He has money because he is the owner. He has social dominance over his bar because he owns it. He is wealthy, socially-dominant bartender.

    Super-Bartender!

    Jesus F. Christ, can you imagine how devastating to women that must have been!

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  293. Funky K, what advice would that be?

    The advice not to assume that every woman you see is unable to defend herself, and has no male friends or relatives?

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  294. Comment_Whatever spoke true:

    Firepower:

    While it is true that kalli0pe is using the old ‘the exception disproves the rule’ trick, I have no doubt that a Bar owner, who was also probably a BARTENDER, clean up with women.

    But this guy is Super-Bartender.

    He has money because he is the owner. He has social dominance over his bar because he owns it.

    true words.

    Worked with a 5’4″ dude, seemed gay, was balding. Not cool, but “Larry from the 3 Stooges” goofy bald.

    Fucked tight girl ass at will. Employee ass. No other chick outside HIS propertywould give him the time of day. Odd, huh?

    never seen a bar owner who couldn’t get ass from his girls. never. Seen plenty of fat dudes get shot down.

    KaliOPe isn’t a complete moron and she means well, she just gets confused when somebody waves a boner in front of her. She’s sweet.

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  295. I do believe that Joe has delivered the coup de grace to Lurker. And of course, Lurker has yet to factually respond to my earlier detailed post. Not surprised in any way.

    Black Military Man-what you say is true. Most African Americans either have family or personally know someone who still lives in the ghetto. But still, that doesn’t speak to my comments earlier, about how Whites automatically associate ALL Black folks with this, regardless of clear evidence to the contrary. We’ve seen this over and over again among quite a few White commenters, many of whom had to have known about the many Blacks who lived middle class existences.

    Gig, it appears that the Wall Street Journal is facing an anti-discrimination lawsuit from a Black female associate editor, I believe. Do you consider said lawsuit legitimate or not, and why?

    My personal observation has been that a Man’s weight/size isn’t necessarily a bar toward attracting Women, within reason and provided he has other traits, either natural or acquired, or both. I’ve seen quite a few Black Men who look like Anthony Anderson pickup gals.

    Lastly, Lurker’s point about Denzel Washington is interesting. When he starred opposite Julia Roberts in The Pelican Brief, much was made out of the fact that there was no love/sex scenes btw the two. Washington is one of the few Hollywood actors who has been known to either change the script outright and/or adlib in a way that he feels better reflects Black reality and life. I don’t know if that was the case wrt The Pelican Brief and other films he’s made, but it is interesting to see.

    As a personal aside, I think th idea of seeing Black Men and Women in love is a very good thing. We need more of this, not less.

    O

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  296. @ Firepower-

    I didn’t say my exception disproved the rule, I said there are a lot more factors than “famous actor” that a fat guy can use to get laid, and gave one example. And you agreed. Social proof can get a fat guy laid faster than a gym rat George Sodini type.

    “KaliOPe isn’t a complete moron and she means well, she just gets confused when somebody waves a boner in front of her. She’s sweet.”

    Umm, thanks…I guess?

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  297. O-Foreman, you still talking? I’m sure you’ll blame my ignoring you on racism and racial differences rather than your own paranoia.

    Joey baby….where are you…..lol tool.

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  298. I’m pretty sure this is the video that PUAwatchdog is talking about being faked.

    The video is textbook – a good example to learn from but if its fake I have no respect for the guy.

    [editor: i saw that puawatchdog video and it’s not the same one. the authenticity of Yad’s video remains open to speculation, but judging by the target’s very natural reactions i’d lean toward genuine.]

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  299. You have to admit, sudden displays of boner-waving can be pretty confusing.

    [editor: or eclipsing. they don’t call me “day into night” for no reason!]

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  300. The most epic player I’ve ever seen in my life is my friend Eric. There was the time he got a girl to pull down her top and make out with him in a crowded bar. Sadly, this was right in front of his girlfriend. Another time he was playing in a band while a girl was posing nude for some art students. He had never met her, but just by eye play alone she got up in the middle of the session and started kissing him. It’s pretty amazing what girls will do. Girls are easy. But it just goes to show, for every 1000 guys going out there and getting a number or a kiss and think they’re doing something, there’s 1 guy so messed in the head that he will literally cry and want to kill himself at the prospect of sleeping alone, and will do anything not to, and that is why he has learned to be successful.

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  301. kalli0pe gushed:

    You have to admit, sudden displays of boner-waving can be pretty confusing.

    kalli0pe sometime delight Firepower so…
    She now return Sade Lips av pic

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  302. Lisa amazed one and all:

    The most epic player I’ve ever seen in my life is my friend Eric. There was the time he got a girl to pull down her top and make out with him in a crowded bar. Sadly, this was right in front of his girlfriend. Another time he was playing in a band while a girl was posing nude for some art students…just by eye play alone she got up in the middle of the session and started kissing him.

    epically amazing – totally.

    wonder how that rascal does it.

    incredible

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  303. Bhetti,
    Regarding “un-nuanced” views of Muslim Arab men: I did try to give some context and specificity to the comments in my comment, but it’s true that I forgot to include the factors of class and the still more important one of cultural assimilation. But I certainly didn’t accuse all Muslim men of behaving in the way I described. Iranian, Indian and Pakistani Muslims have never harassed me in that way, nor have Indonesian men.

    I can’t, of course, always be certain where these men come from or what their religion is, but accents can tell you a fair amount – including the likelihood that they haven’t been in the West for all that long.

    I think the actor in the subway car was supposed to be Algerian (very common in France), which would account for his mixed-race look – neither quite Arab nor quite sub-saharan African.

    BTW, I didn’t leave obnoxious white men out of my comment, either.

    Nicole,
    The harassment in that movie clip went on for quite a long time and raised the Juliet Binoche character’s tension level very high, which is why she cried (with relief, as someone pointed out) when it was over. I’ve never cried in ordinary harassment situations, but in one like that, in which there was an implicit threat – I mean, he was clearly trying to frighten her and put on a performance for his friends, not get a date – I might have done so too.

    Obsidian,
    I do know there’s a difference between middle-class black men and ghetto black men. I should add that I’ve never seen an African-American man of whatever class do anything remotely like that subway harasser. The most common treatment I’ve had from poorer black American men, for example when I blundered once into a McDonald’s in a black neighbourhood in DC, is cold politeness, as if to say “you don’t belong here; don’t come back.” Some teasing or trash talk from men in the street, but I found that if I responded with humour they laughed and let me be.

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  304. his aesthetics…

    …a complete mess of chode

    since seeing this video, i will find it reprehensible for me to make it one solitary street block without the clenches and pleas of a thousand women grinding me to a halt, only to shower me with obeisances and pledges to lobby for legalized polygamy.

    however cruelly, i have learned that success with women can feedback both negatively and positively onto itself… a natural oddity bearing further investigation.

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  305. “or eclipsing. they don’t call me “day into night” for no reason!”

    Ha! I’ll bet…one minute you’re enjoying a romantic evening, and the next it’s “Oh my god, who turned out the lights?!”

    “kalli0pe sometime delight Firepower so…
    She now return Sade Lips av pic”

    Anything for you. It just takes a while to load, so enjoy the Greek goddess av for a minute.

    Off-topic: one day I was walking toward the parking lot at Virginia Beach and heard “Hello! Hello!” in this frantic, squeaky voice. I looked over and there was a fat guy in a Jeep, WAVING his boner at me like most people wave hello. I didn’t know what response he wanted, so I laughed, waved back and kept walking.

    Confusing indeed.

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  306. Yeh I’m an ass… those are two completely different videos

    The faked one was incredibly obvious

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  307. kalli0pe:

    “kalli0pe sometime delight Firepower so…
    She now return Sade Lips av pic”

    Anything for you. It just takes a while to load, so enjoy the Greek goddess av for a minute

    i do want to see the Greek Mythology stuff later, so don’t delete it. I loved studying all that stuff in college.

    hmmm…funny thing: I can actually see myself sharing a huge Italian dinner with you. Then reddening the hell out of your asscheeks much later.

    oh, the fat boner guy?
    dr. grzlickson says
    he’s dropped 60
    and wants
    a second
    chance

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  308. on August 20, 2009 at 3:58 pm Black Military Man

    A: “Oh dear. Russian women abroad do what ever it takes to stay abroad – they’ll fuck you in any position, any time, any place, as they have their eye on the prize. The prize is not you, the prize is getting to stay the hell away from Russia.”

    THAT would explain why I saw so many Russina chicks marrying Indian dudes when I was there. Later, when I went through Russia on my way home to the States, I read an article in a paper written by a female Russian psychologist stating that Russians and Indians make perfect couples because they share similar “values”.

    B: Bhetti said, “I’m not happy with the insinuation that Arab men as a whole aren’t taught courtesy to women. The highest level of protection and help I’ve attained was from them. A BANGLADESHI muslim neighbour who could barely speak English helped me with my bags”

    Bhetti, Bangladeshis are NOT ARAB. Nor are they sell-out Pakistanis who prefer to identify with Arabs over their own people/ethnic background.

    There are seveal Bangladeshi sites online that will make this clear distinction for you. Most Bangladeshis would be HORRIFIED at the thought of being lumped in with Arabs OR with Pakistanis who want to kiss Arab *ss. Why do you think they fought so hard to separate from Pakistan and it’s wannabe Arab culture back in the 70’s?

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  309. Clio, I can concede that you might cry in a similar situation, but think about it…would you really?

    I mean, would you feel like crying, or actually start crying?

    If some tears actually did leave your eyes, wouldn’t you fight them?

    I know I would.

    Nobody would see that people like that were capable of eliciting any emotion from me but contempt or anger.

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  310. Black Military Man is right. Bangladeshis/Bengalis have their own strong literary and artistic traditions, unrelated (aside from the shared religion) to those of Pakistan. Stereotypically, the men are kind, very voluble, and rather “sensitive”, meaning emotionally expressive and sentimental.

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  311. Joey, here was my argument, since you can’t even scroll up: blacks don’t have better natural game, they have ghetto game, which appears good because it leads to more approaches. However, ghetto game, while brave, is based on impulse, and shoots itself in the foot because all other aspects are piss poor and drive potentials away.

    Then you got your pc knickers in a twist over my calling black game ghetto game, and claimed there was a difference. I told you no, that good black game is game anyone can use, but ghetto game is poor and based on blacks acting like stereotypes.

    That’s when you tried to run around the subject, claiming 1) it had never been brought up and 2) that CH said it, so it must be true. Both assertions are wrong, and I called you on it.

    Finally, having no where else to turn, you now start claiming I am doing exactly what you are: moving the goal posts.

    Your nonsense is amusing, quite different from the usual tjf, but on the same plane: genuine obtuseness to facts, arguments, and logic, and always changing history to suit your needs.

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  312. Jack Burton,

    Mencius Moldbug. Thanks. The name rings a bell. Simple google leads me to some of his stuff. I’ll have to read it. If I remember correctly, he’s posted/commented on Auster’s site and a few others. I seem to remember him favorably.

    Your second paragraph sounds strikingly like something I read by Neal Stephenson, from, I believe, “In the Beginning was the Command Line…”

    As for declines, I think we’re in basic agreement. To clarify, I’m trying to say that though trends may continue for a long time, and even be recognized by some, but the tipping point (crappy term but it’ll do for now) can come suddenly. What do they call it at AA meetings? A moment of clarity? Near as I could tell from my readings of history, the AmIndians dealt with an ‘outside context’ problem –fair play to them and their excuse about not seeing it coming. Meanwhile, the Byzantines we don’t credit with that excuse –place was shrinking for 10 centuries as you say. But if you don’t think the end came as a bit of a sudden surprise, I suggest you google Admiral Notaras, his sons, and their rear-ends. Either way –whether historians credit our decline as through excusable or inexcusable neglect, the fact remains some here have identified clear downward trendlines –or at least make the argument that certain trends suggest inevitable decline. Like I said, some schlubs and their culture will survive. Long Live Pro Wrestling! For imagining a rapid shift, may I suggest Houellebecq’s “The Possibility of an Island”?

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  313. on August 20, 2009 at 5:00 pm Black Military Man

    Aliasclio: “Black Military Man is right. Bangladeshis/Bengalis have their own strong literary and artistic traditions, unrelated (aside from the shared religion) to those of Pakistan.”…….

    and I add, by extension to those of the Arab world.

    It is clear from Bhetti’s statement that she either;

    1. Does not know geography and history, or
    2. Thinks Muslim = Arab, or
    3. Sees the world through Arab-normative or Arab-centric eyes

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  314. BMM/clio: Sorry, guys. I was “defending” both Arabs and muslims. I’m very aware Bangladeshis are NOT Arab and am equally horrified I implied this. Slightly rushed earlier today.

    clio: Yeah, France is populated w/Algerians. All the Algerians are met are not black though. Sudanese are. And some Gulf people certainly look it.

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  315. @bhetti/clio. re arab men: another aspect of it may be that white women in the west are both perceived as easy (available, in a way muslim women are not) and *also*, as non-muslims, outside the coreligionist community and therefore less deserving of respect. think of how the saudis (extreme exanmple) drink, party, and go crazy when they go the europe (or even bahrain), but then revert to pious behavior on their own holy soil. something like that.

    also, since so many of them have little experience in flirting/interacting with women in environments that are mainly strictly segregated by sex, their stereotypical image (dream?) of western women as “easy” lead them to misread social signals and persist in unwanted attention. finally, there’s the basic fact that in most muslim societies women have greatly unequal, lesser status- in some cases, these guys can’t take no from a woman because women are expected to always do what they say.

    @bhetti – soerry in advance about any generalizations or stereotypes – UAE expat comany excepted.

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  316. maurice –

    that’s what i was trying to get at but you said it way more concisely. but that is definitely a big part of it, this idea that the west is way sluttier and easier than it actually is. of course at this rate the reality may catch up with their fantasy.

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  317. on August 20, 2009 at 7:13 pm Black Military Man

    ”this idea that the west is way sluttier and easier than it actually is.”

    Well, in some ways the West IS way sluttier than they can even imagine.

    And you know what? In some ways THEIR cultures are way sluttier than WE imagine too.

    I’ve been there. I know.

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  318. Watched this, and um, she’s got a tongue ring. Of all the various indications of “sluttiness” or “approachability”, barring the genital piercing, the tongue ring has to be just about the clearest. That has to make it easier, generally, to successfully game.

    I have no opinion on his gameness, being no gamer.

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  319. @kalli0pe- an opera lover, are you…? la ci darem la mano .. la me darai di si. and here i thought the only music y’all listened to in N’Awlins was jazz…

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  320. The BIGGEST mistake he made was that he did not call her once he put her number in his phone, to “give her” his number. I have made this fatal mistake before.

    She may have initially been scared and gave the wrong #, or he may have typed it in is phone wrong.

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  321. Jack Burton,

    Yep.. what you are thinking.

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  322. I wish I could do that. The few times I have had such results within 6-7 hours of a meeting, I was not sure what I had done, or how, so I think it was mainly random chance. Or on a few occasions, I was in charge of everything every step of the way. There are a few times when the stars align, however, and I am having a (for me) truly exceptional week. I am going to have to process my ideas of what is possible in light of this video and my recent experience. Although I am a skeptic with respect to the video, because I think the gentleman managed to leverage a few unique factors, such as her desire to attract a UK native, which might not be the case with other PUAs in other contexts.

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  323. it appears that the Wall Street Journal is facing an anti-discrimination lawsuit from a Black female associate editor, I believe. Do you consider said lawsuit legitimate or not, and why?

    no, I don´t. the whole discrimination industry depends on reversing all the western legal tradition. It depends on placing the burden of proof on the accused.

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  324. I have to agree with gig there. When it comes to discrimination and rape suits, I don’t believe anything negative until some really damning proof comes out. Too many witch hunts and false charges out there.

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  325. on August 21, 2009 at 9:24 am D. Ray Morton

    Excellent video and breakdown. Being six plus inches taller than your target goes a long way in subcommunicating dominance and masculinity, though, no? And the accent and Flight Of The Conchords avatar probably didn’t hurt his cause much, either.

    I’d like to have seen a plain-vanilla dweeb who was her height and equally as fugly as this guy pull it off as smoothly.

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  326. @ maurice –

    I love that one! My favorite is actually “Deh vieni alla finestra” from the second act. And I love opera for its emotional intensity, like I love New Orleans jazz for its joyful physicality and Delta blues for its simplicity and undertone of despair.

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  327. kalli0pe

    @ Firepower-

    Only if we can do it to the third aria of Don Giovanni.

    are you saying your skillz
    could get me to
    repent?

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  328. repent?

    it sounds like
    you’d have me
    singing soprano.

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  329. only if you pledge
    to keep perfect tune
    and rhythm

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  330. there’s such a build up of this urge in american women that they come off as cold bitches when that dream is thwarted (as it always is). Russians and eastern europeans have no grand fantasies like this. Their parents struggled through “The Communism” and only cared about getting food and hot water. They didn’t have time to worry about fairy tales. Foreign girls love this stuff just as much as any other, as the Russian in the video does, but they aren’t so disappointed when it *doesn’t* happen since they have no grand expectations.

    Excellent observations.

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  331. Hah, you read my mind!

    “Any (white) person reading this blog – and for everyone commenting there may be 20 who only read and do not comment – who is in doubt about race realism will read your debate with Joe and Obsidian and conclude “racists are losers” & ” blacks are cool” & “racists are nazis”

    If someone is racist and isn’t dumb otherwise, cool. But usually profound ignorance, poor critical thinking skills (more important than IQ), and racism are all found together…

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  332. “While it is true that kalli0pe is using the old ‘the exception disproves the rule’ trick, I have no doubt that a Bar owner, who was also probably a BARTENDER, clean up with women. Normal bartenders do well with women because of the enormous number of ‘free’ approaches they get, and they get plenty of interesting stories from customers.”

    My boss owns his own bar. 40 years old but looks younger, tall, black, athletic, talkative guy.

    Can’t get ANY girls to speak of and has been in and out of an unfulfilling relationship with a fat old woman with teenage kids for the last 10 years.

    Course, he doesn’t have a lot of self-confidence.

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  333. @ S.

    Re: A.J. Travis

    Heh.

    I’m taken, so you may have A.J., but I daresay you’ll have to go far and beyond the call of duty to get images of me out of his head (and off of his blog).

    I, of course, wish you the best!

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  334. I will talk about the linked Psychology Today article:

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-urban-scientist/200908/turning-pickup-artists-gentlemen

    This small paragraph discredits the whole article:

    “Men and women are equal in the capacity to love and form friendships, to intelligently pursue career ambitions, education, artistic expression, and leadership roles of course.”

    They are not. Women are inferior in all the above listed categories. I shall not elaborate on what is self-evident truth.

    Different. AND. Not. Equal.

    When will people stop promulgating the gender equality BS fairy tale?

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  335. @ spunk

    great link

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  336. a

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  337. on August 25, 2009 at 7:13 pm aussie girl in australia

    Dammit!

    I just sent a link to my friend about this post and have discovered the video has been taken down by the user. What gives?

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  338. on August 28, 2009 at 10:05 pm need a mirror for the video!

    Does anyone know if the video can be found elsewhere? It has been deleted. I read the commentary and now I really want to watch it.

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  339. hey just in case you’ll edit this page. i found the video (this one has better quality.)

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  340. Just did a 1-on-1 with him. This is definitely a legit vid.

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  341. […] summer I whittle the short list down to five names. One name stands above all others so I email this guy. A week goes by then he accepts the proposition and quotes a price that is high but justified if he […]

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  342. […] video of yad is what triggered this whole thing for me. __________________ Stirbe und werde Die and become No […]

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  343. […] validity of game’s experientially-derived claims, beginning a year ago when someone sent me this.  but i’m also interested, as a more neutral observer of important social trends, in mapping […]

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  344. […] first review comes from KrauserPUA. He came across this popular Chateau blog post featuring a video of PUA Yad doing a street kiss close in ten minutes that you have to see to […]

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  345. Who’s to say this chick doesn’t have her own agenda and for only a kiss was able to upgrade herself in a foreign land?

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  346. Not to take away from this dude’s work, but this likely only worked because she’s Eastern Euro (Russian), and a foreigner in London.

    If this guy did the same with some snooty hot Oxford bitch, or some NY club princess, It’d be exponentially more impressive.

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  347. EastPole – agreed. And yet, what he did is still shockingly impressive. So maybe Yad cannot makeout-close with the snooty Oxford bitch in ten minutes. But what if you give him those magical seven hours? My money is that in seven hours, she is swallowing his come and begging for more.

    God damn it.

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  348. on August 11, 2010 at 11:42 am submarinewasher

    Fuck all this “Muslims are bad caveman” crap.

    I use it to my advantage in London every frickin day!
    I am the consumate Muslim sarger / banger.

    I’ve gamed and banged 6 scarf wearers in 2010 – all complained that their ex (or current) is a beta chump who begged for sex, as if it were a reward. What they liked about me is that I was very open about being a man and unashanedly unapologetic about it.

    Game is game, dudes – scarf ladies / hijaab wearers / jilbob – whatever – they want fat cock, but from the right guy.

    PS – some of them (to preserve their virginity) only allow anal.

    LOL!!!

    I don’t give a monkey’s about religion, only about game.

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  349. Note to self: approach more russian women!

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  350. No matter what he said or did, if she did not like him from the word go, there was not way he would have got that kiss. Just as how if an attractive woman would not be refused if she wanted a kiss from you, so it is with women. There are just a lot fewer men that have that effect on them.

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  351. […] is a similar pickup to one done by a guy named Yad, whose excellent kiss close video was profiled in this post. Research did not turn up an evidence that the pickup was […]

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  352. My Gosh!! this is crap!!… obviously it is fake…. why I can’t never see the camera guy reflected on the pizza hut’s glass??

    Come on people, have a try and u would see that the guy holding the camera seems to be a “vampire” in the scene…he has no “image” in the “mirror”… :s

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  353. Respect

    Brutal

    Scary

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  354. And yet, what he did is still shockingly impressive. So maybe Yad cannot makeout-close with the snooty Oxford bitch in ten minutes. But what if you give him those magical seven hours? My money is that in seven hours, she is swallowing his come and begging for more.

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