Alpha Body Language

In my view, and in the view of much of the seduction community, the single biggest factor of early game success is body language. Women react viscerally to a man’s strong body language before he has said one word. The way he walks toward her, the way he smiles, the way he stands. It strikes me that the reason this is so is because it is harder to fake the subtle indicators of alphaness with your body than it is with your words. Women have evolved to be perceptive of a man’s emotional state and body language is the physical manifestation of inner game, so that’s what women key in on first.

I have written some posts on how to spot beta body language and how to mimic alpha body language. One of the most important points I have made is that it is imperative you avoid jerky, reactive movements. Well, the science is rolling in and, unsurprisingly to anyone who has lived a day in his life and finds corroborating evidence in what I write, the conclusions are vindicating my worldview.

Wimps have rapid reaction times

OREGON, U.S.: Unfit or weak people react sooner to sounds of approaching danger than strong, healthy people – which may be an evolutionary adaptation to allow them a larger margin of safety, says a new study.

Test subjects listened to a sophisticated sound system that mimicked an approaching object, explained John Neuhoff, an evolutionary psychologist at the College of Wooster in Ohio, U.S., and co-leader of the study.

The ‘virtual object’ sounded like a motorcycle passing on a highway, approaching the subject at 15 m/s and then whizzing past them. The subjects were asked to hit a key when they thought the sound was right in front of them.

Fitness was measured by two variables: heart rate after a bout of moderate cardiovascular exercise and muscular power, measured by the strength of their hand grips. […]

“It’s beneficial [for the weaker] to react sooner rather than later,” said Neuhoff. “The cost of responding too early is far less than the potentially fatal cost of responding too late.”

Corollary: It’s beneficial for the stronger to take their sweet time reacting to events. Not because it will lessen his chances of getting killed (mauled or bludgeoned in the ancestral environment), but because women are wired to associate a calm demeanor and stoic repose with an alpha male she wants to fuck.

Women typically responded sooner than men, who on average are physically stronger.

This is evidence that beta males behave more like women than men. No wonder they get LJBFed.

Here is another study proving the efficacy of my body language advice.

Women become less choosy when they, rather than men, move from table to table. […]

A study in Psychological Science points out that chivalric behaviour created by the speed-dating experience may be skewing the data.

Normally in speed dating, men walk around a room and visit a succession of seated women for mini dates just a few minutes long. Later, the participants note down whom they would like to meet again. If there is a match, the organizers help the people to get in touch. Psychologists have found that although men choose, on average, half of the women present, women choose to see only a third of the men again.

This isn’t really a surprise. Among animals, females are usually the picky ones, because they make the larger reproductive investment. However, the new research, by Eli Finkel and Paul Eastwick, social psychologists at Northwestern University in Evanston, Illinois, demonstrates that tinkering with the speed-dating format alters human behaviour, dramatically changing the outcome. […]

The researchers established 15 speed-dating events for 350 young adults. During eight events, men rotated around the seated women, and during seven events, women moved between seated men. When men rotated, men said yes 50% of the time and women said yes 43% of the time. However, when women rotated, the trend for higher female selectivity vanished, with men saying yes 43% of the time while women said yes 45% of the time.

I have long contended that one of the reasons speed dating sucks (besides the surfeit of cougars) has to do with the retarded system organizers use requiring men to be the ones to switch tables while the women remain seated. This dynamic creates the impression that the men are slabs of meat in a butcher’s display case that women casually browse for the choicest cuts. It exacerbates an already lopsided intrinsic mating market mechanism.

The researchers think the reason for this phenomenon is related to embodiment — the idea that physical actions can alter perception. Pulling something closer makes the object being pulled more appealing, whereas pushing something away makes the object less desirable.

Finkel and Eastwick argue that approaching someone makes the mind want what it is approaching, because people are in the habit of moving towards objects that they want and moving away from objects that they don’t want.

Alpha body language, gentlemen. Learn it. It works and it’s a lot easier to integrate into who you are than is memorizing a long-winded routine. The above study proves that the ideal alpha position is back against the bar, looking outward and surveying your kingdom as girls approach from all directions. The study also reinforces the widely held PUA belief that indirect approaches are more optimal than direct approaches. Perhaps this is why the over-the-shoulder, “just passing through” approach coupled with a time constraint works so well. You are mimicking in vibe and energy, as best you can while in motion, the man sitting down at a speed dating event while rotating women walk up to his table to earn the pleasure of his company.

Body language tips

When a woman tries to get your attention, take a second longer to swivel your head to reply. The goal is to introduce a palpable, but not off-putting, tension to the interaction. In other words, make her sweat.

Keep your head cocked upward slightly. This will accentuate the heaviness of your brow ridge and the heft of your chin and jaw, both indicators of alpha testosterone levels. It also imparts you with a haughtiness that women find irresistible.

Scratch your balls in public once in a while.

If you say something stupid, goofy or impolite (hey, it happens) don’t backpedal or get flustered. Act as if nothing is wrong. Embarrassment is for the little people.

Be scandalous.

Rudely glance around the room every so often when a girl is talking to you.

Be inattentive. Betas focus like a laser beam when engaging a girl because she is the reason for his existence. Alphas exist for themselves.

Maxim #17: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.

Keep a toothpick in your mouth if you don’t smoke.

Be judgmental. Say “Hm” and “I see” a lot when a woman talks to you, arching your eyebrows and frowning skeptically.

If a girl says something genuinely funny (rare, like a lunar eclipse), don’t boisterously laugh in appreciation. Snicker instead.

Be territorial. Spread those arms and legs out.

Learn to love the pregnant pause. When a girl shit tests you, don’t respond like a wind-up beta. Give her a blank, serial killer stare and wait… wait……. waiiiiit for it…. ANSWER! Wow, that was hot. I’m positive I just made a female reader squirm delightfully in her seat.

If you don’t have a witty answer ready for deployment, silence beats stilted conversation.

Lead with your crotch.

Don’t ever fall for the “tap on the shoulder” or the “something on your tie” gags.

Be imperious. The world is your harem.

Finally… use the power of your back. Turning your back on people who have displeased you is a great way to get them to qualify themselves. Girls will reopen. Guys will vamoose.





Comments


  1. Good post.

    If anyone has any good material to read/watch please share. I would like to know more.

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  2. on June 5, 2009 at 1:50 pm Dues ex machina

    Definately agree with the back against the bar looking out. For whatever reason, my instincts are just so much better.

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  3. Can anyone list a few good films with actors demonstrating alpha body language? All I can think of at the moment are westerns.

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  4. I suggest watching the King of Cool Steve McQueen in the Great Escape. Not only does he walk like an alpha, but it’s a pretty good movie too!

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  5. on June 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    As you could guess, the way you use your body to build attraction is analogous to how you use your words: i.e., you want to break rapport in effort for her to try and regain it. There are a few ways to do this through body language.
    The first is with your eyes. You usually want to have engaging eye contact, but when you’re working on developing attraction you actually want to break that eye contact periodically.
    Every so often, while she’s talking, look at something in the room, to the side or behind her for a moment and then look back. People judge whether someone is listening to them or not by the eye contact you make.You don’t want to do this excessively as it can come across as being rude. But you want to throw it in to sub-communicate that she’s not the most interesting thing in the room necessarily.
    As the conversation goes on and you build attraction by getting her to comply and qualify herself, you want to focus on more and more direct eye contact, breaking it less often. This is something that should only be consciously done the first few minutes you know a girl.
    Another way to develop attraction with body language is through the way you position your body. When you begin talking to a woman, don’t face her directly. Slowly face her as the conversation wears on and she demonstrates attraction by accepting, qualifying and complying.

    Another tactic is to “rock” your body back and forth while you’re talking. You want to stagger your legs and put more weight on your back leg while leaning back and then back to up-right. This should coincide with the rhythm of your conversation. When you tease her or break rapport, lean back and away. Then when you come back and reinitiate rapport, lean back in and face her.
    Also, when you laugh at a joke or she says something requiring an emphatic reaction, turn your body and look away when you do it. This sub-consciously gives her the sense that you could leave at any moment, and if she enjoys your company, it will ideally make her work harder to maintain a connection with you.
    You will also want to watch HER body language for cues. Women will often make it obvious that they’re attracted to you if you know what to look for.
    – She’s playing with her hair.
    – She never breaks eye contact with you and smiles broadly.
    – She leans way into you.
    – She touches your arm or leans up against you.
    – She’s actively ignoring her friends to talk to you.

    Be aware of these signs and adjust your body language accordingly. These small tactics can add up to a lot when executed well during a conversation. They give off the vibe of a “cool, aloof” guy who is extremely engaging one moment but checked-out the next.

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  6. on June 5, 2009 at 2:01 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Reference
    “Practical Pickup” Page68/69
    http://www.EntropyPUA.com

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  7. Gooch

    Can anyone list a few good films with actors demonstrating alpha body language?

    Bond, James Bond. Especially Connery.

    Ignore Moore.

    The latest two (Brosnan and Craig) are ok. Craig might have more of that “thuggish” style.

    Connery was very masculine without the overt thuggishness.

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  8. Humphrey Bogart (Maltese Falcon etc.)

    Cool, in command, unruffled. Handled shit tests with cool ease. All from a man that was not overtly macho.

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  9. there’s actually a good scene in the otherwise crappy “My Life” with Michael Keaton, in which a dad shows his son the proper way to walk into a room..

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  10. Anon is too clever by half. Since, to CH, biomechanics is god, he only exists to impregnate much as girls only exist to have children. But since we are endowed by our creator with a little bit more than that, R can go do all that crap he put in his video last week to and then get called a tard.

    So yeah, be true to yourself, but getting laid is still better than not.

    True, most true alphas have no idea why chicks throw themselves at them and their advice is useless. The rest of us can either live with the consequences or figure out how to be treated that way too.

    The easiest trick is to mentally assign an allegedly debilitating flaw to any girl you see. You are talking to her to be polite, not because you want to be her beta provider. You will be surprised at how, if you treat a 7 or 8 like an annoying 5 (like that old internet joke of the fat fork who wouldn’t hit Brittney Spears because she has pointy knees), you may find your body language to be more relaxed and confident.

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  11. How alpha is posting a blog or two every day? Shouldn’t you be out… doing man things or something?

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  12. on June 5, 2009 at 2:31 pm Seeking Alpha

    How alpha is posting a blog or two every day? Shouldn’t you be out… doing man things or something?

    Would you say there is a correlation between how much money he could make from a book and how loyal of a following he has on his blog?

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  13. on June 5, 2009 at 2:31 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Body Language
    Good body language is relaxed, calm, and confident. Bad body language is associated with (and usually comes from) insecurity, nervousness, and defensiveness. As a general rule, if a position looks uncomfortable, it conveys low status. This is true whether or not a position happens to be comfortable for you. High-status men do not tend to squish themselves into awkward or uncomfortable positions. Partly because of this, we respect the principle of “locking in”.

    LOCKING IN
    Within the first 30-60 seconds of an interaction (longer in some specific cases, but shoot for this timeframe), you should be adopting a comfortable and socially-dominant physical position relative to the group you approach. This is especially true if the group is primarily made up mostly of women, but it also applies to mixed groups as well. The most common example of locking in comes when you are leading up against a wall or a bar and the group is facing you. This sounds harder to achieve than it really is in reality. Once you’ve been talking to a group for a few seconds, you can move around (or gently move the people you are speaking to) to establish this position. Just keep talking as if nothing is happening.
    If the group doesn’t happen to be near an appropriate vertical surface, you can wait a bit longer and then as you solidify the group’s interest, you can slowly move and motion for the group to follow you, so that you establish this position.
    Locking in also refers to sitting down with a group that is already seated. Deliver your false time constraint as you sit. Use body language for the first couple minutes that you are sitting down to imply that you are about to leave. Locking in is very important. If you stay standing next to seated group or face a group that has a wall behind it and you’re obviously the outsider, you will lose value. Your physical positioning will imply that you are hitting on them, regardless of what you say. Not only will the group notice, but other people in the venue will notice. And you’ll lose value with other groups you subsequently approach.

    The following list highlights the most important body language dos and don’ts. But they don’t all have the same importance. Focus first on everything in the head and face section (especially eye contact) and keeping your shoulders back. It’s hard to simultaneously focus on 18 different things that your body is doing, especially while you’re also trying to carry on a conversation. So focus on a couple of them at a time, internalize them until you don’t have to consciously think about them, and then move on to the next ones.

    Overall posture
    Don’t lean forward to talk to someone. Tilt your head if you need to, but don’t lean in so someone can hear you or so you can hear them. If you’re having trouble being heard, speak up. If you can’t hear someone, either carry on talking (before the Qualification phase) or suggest you move somewhere quieter (in the Qualification phase or subsequently).
    Don’t slouch. Stand up straight. Sit straight. Not like a statue, you need to be relaxed a little bit, but don’t hunch your shoulders or curve your back.
    Take up space. Within the boundaries of social politeness, don’t be overly concerned about others’ personal space. Men who are comfortable taking more physical space tend to be more attractive to women.

    Head and face
    Eye contact is probably the most important element of body language. Hold eye contact 50% of the time when you are being spoken to and 90% of the time when you are speaking. If you are speaking to a group, switch eye contact between group members; at any given time, you should be making eye contact with one of them. At least early on, everyone in a group should get roughly equal attention; if anything, the woman you are interested in should get slightly less, not more. This helps make you a challenge to her.
    Keep your head up. Your neck should always be straight unless there is a specific reason to look down. This is a difficult one to internalize. Check yourself regularly. When I was learning to improve my body language, I focused on my head by doing random spot-checks every time I heard a phone ring. Relax your facial muscles, especially around your eyes and mouth. Go for a facial massage if you need to learn what relaxed facial muscles feel like.

    Smile. Show some teeth with your smile. Practice your smiles in front of the mirror. You should be smiling more often than not. Smiling actually releases positive brain chemicals, and this will help you develop a naturally positive and outgoing demeanour. And don’t just smile with your mouth. The eyes are equally important and are the easiest way to tell between a fake and a real smile.

    Chest and shoulders
    Keep your shoulders relaxed, down, and back. This is another difficult one to internalize and can also benefit from the “spot check” technique described above. When your shoulders are back, your chest should come out a bit. Don’t puff up your chest any more than happens naturally through good shoulder positioning….unless you’re auditioning for the role as an extra on a Conan the Barbarian remake.

    Legs and feet
    Keep your feet at least shoulder-width apart when you are standing. Allow your legs to take up a reasonable amount of space when sitting – don’t curl your legs under you or do anything to minimize the physical space you occupy. When you’re walking take big (but not ridiculous) steps but walk slower than normal. Your walk should communicate confidence and power.

    Arms and hands
    Don’t fidget. Fidgeting implies nervousness and insecurity. If you tend to fidget, keep away from objects that may be problematic for you (pens, rings, napkins, etc.).
    Keep your hands out of your pockets.
    Don’t make sudden wild gestures.
    Don’t let your arms become a barrier between you and someone you are talking to (e.g., holding a drink between you). If you’re like me and naturally have major problems making your hands behave themselves when you’re in conversation, consider hooking one or both of your thumbs into belt loops of your pants or the top of your pockets.
    When you walk, keep your arms relaxed and to the side of your body.

    Reference
    Magic Bullets Page 163/4/5
    Magicbullets.com

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  14. When men rotated, men said yes 50% of the time and women said yes 43% of the time. However, when women rotated, the trend for higher female selectivity vanished, with men saying yes 43% of the time while women said yes 45% of the time.

    So, women are 2 percentage points less choosier when the move around, and men are 7 percentage points less choosier when they move around. “Women become less choosy when they, rather than men, move from table to table.” is not the subtitle I would use for this article.

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  15. Excellent post.

    I am really impressed that you added this one:

    “Keep a toothpick in your mouth if you don’t smoke.”

    Great move.

    You always want to draw girls attention to your mouth. That is why smoking works so well.

    Toothpick is a great non-smoker move.

    Another?

    In a restaurant that is non-smoking, use a cocktail straw or stirr.

    – MPM

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  16. on June 5, 2009 at 2:47 pm Lawyer from Hell

    Gooch

    “Can anyone list a few good films with actors demonstrating alpha body language?”

    Just about anything with Cary Grant.

    Get some movies with George Clooney and watch how he walks.

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  17. This struck a chord with me. I’ve been working on game for awhile, but I have about no natural skill with it and was a hardcore beta growing up.

    I was out for a walk today when some crazy homeless guy turned to me, took a step in my direction and shouted some gibberish at me.

    I immediately swiveled around to face him and put up my fists in a defensive gesture- it was an immediate reaction, and I did this before I consciously recognized what was going on. My body sensed danger and reacted immediately.

    Guess it goes to show how deeply ingrained betaness can be..

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  18. “Would you say there is a correlation between how much money he could make from a book and how loyal of a following he has on his blog?”

    I was pondering a bit about the book thing, and you may have a point. However, it strikes me that many who blog simply lack the initiative or the appeal to actually get their work published.

    Furthermore, I have no idea what this man does, aside from blogging and getting pussy. Perhaps I have not looked hard enough but there’s nothing that indicates any other success aside from a large and loyal readership. It might be a tad more convincing that this fellow is “alpha” if his audience could see that he is successful in more venues as well. I saw the “day in the life blog” but that seemed more like a joke post, or perhaps a summary of the average weekend.

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  19. This is a very good and highly useful post. Lots of good info in it. But I would just like to note two things:

    First, take a bit of time to just go out and *observe the mating grounds*. Hunters always know the lay of the land before they actually go out to bag prey. Watch how guys act, you’ll see right off why the vast majority of them will NOT get laid. Then watch what the relatively few Alphas do. Finally, watch how the Women act. Find yourself a kind of “bird’s nest” in the place, where you can see everything, or most everything. I think one of the reasons why so many guys aren’t successful is because they read a book or two, read some lines by rote, then run out there and get run through the meat grinder. So, spend some time to understand the scene and how people move, *why* they move, etc.

    And the second thing is, when in doubt, “GO SLOW.” Like she said, make use of the “pregnant pause”. If you’re a fast walker, when you go to the mating grounds, make yourself slow down. Talk slower, just take it down a notch of two. Oh, and learn how to make eye contact, this is very important. Most Beta guys are shy. You must learn to overcome this if you’re going to be successful w/the ladies. Remember, Women tend to frighten and be uneasy moreso than Men do, and Betas tend to share this tendency w/Women. You have to condition yourself out of this.

    As for movie examples of Alpha Body Language, I’d say Christopher Pine’s take on Captain James T. Kirk on the new Star Trek movie nails it. Notice how much he makes eye contact with people when he talks; how he touches people-Alpha Males touch people a lot!-and how he always turns things to his advantage. Get yourself a clear bootleg of the movie and see for yourself. That flick has lots of Game tips in it.

    Carry on…

    O

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  20. In Secrets of the Sexes: Speed Dating some pickup artists try speed dating. According to the evolutionary biologists in the clip, the real key to seduction is to make the woman feel good, not to put her down. I’ve seen the whole program and later all the women agree that the pickup artists made the worst impression. Is the neg overrated?

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  21. on June 5, 2009 at 2:52 pm Seeking Alpha

    Anonymous

    Furthermore, I have no idea what this man does, aside from blogging and getting pussy. Perhaps I have not looked hard enough but there’s nothing that indicates any other success aside from a large and loyal readership. It might be a tad more convincing that this fellow is “alpha” if his audience could see that he is successful in more venues as well. I saw the “day in the life blog” but that seemed more like a joke post, or perhaps a summary of the average weekend.

    I’d say the odds are probably 50/50 or less that he has a successful career. That seems counter-intuitive given his obvious intelligence and charisma, but I don’t think you can keep a posting schedule like this with a real 9-5 job.

    In the end though, it’s immaterial. His credibility rests on the success or failure of his methods, not on the material or societal status of his life. You can take finance advice from an asshole, flirting advice from a pauper, and weightlifting advice from a dolt – so long as they know their subject.

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  22. have you read much about the lek? its a strategy employed by males in the animal kingdom, including peacocks. its basically a meat market since females are choosiest in most species. the males gather, and it just so happens that the most dominant males (btw in one study of grouse leks 19% of males scored 87% of copulations) stand in the center of the lekking area so as to have the most angles of approach from interested females. i came up with the idea that bars are pretty much human leks.

    http://chuckross.blogspot.com/2009/05/bars-and-nightclubs-as-human-leks.html

    i read somewhere that submissive grizzly bears who are porking a female bear are often observed looking around more, swiveling their heads, as if to watch for the dominant grizzly bear. submissive bears ejaculate faster than dominant bears as well.

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  23. p.s. good article about China and the preference for males creating a culture of betas and bitches:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124415971813687173.html

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  24. Arpagus

    Is the neg overrated?

    Probably. And can be overplayed.

    Also in the speed dating context it is given that both people are looking. Part of the neg is to display disinterest.

    A neg at speed dating event would be like a neg at a job interview. It is hard to pretend disinterest if you are attending a speed dating event.

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  25. Anonymous

    “How alpha is posting a blog or two every day? Shouldn’t you be out… doing man things or something?”

    Writing is Alpha.

    – MPM

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  26. Gooch

    “Can anyone list a few good films with actors demonstrating alpha body language?”

    Scarface.

    – MPM

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  27. One thing to do is stand tall. Imagine there is a piece of string attached from the ceiling to the crown of your head which is pulling you up. The key is to not be rigid though. Relaxed standing tall.

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  28. @anony – i’m pretty sure he has a succesful career.

    @GMan – Scarface? a little on the thuggish side, but definitely Alpha. You have to admit his cocaine-lord taste in clothes and decor was a bit over the top, almost cartoonish.

    @chuck – cool stuff, but our brains and behaviors are closest to those of other primates, not birds. animal kingdom comparisons are most valueable when they relate comparable species, though.

    i wonder if you could turn that lek theory into a good pickup routine. spin it out and then ask a girl who the showiest peacocks and sexiest hens are, while commenting on the social dynamics of pairs and groups around you. Sort of like “Marry, Fuck, Kill” meets “Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom” …! it could work if it’s done in a funny way.

    @hollywood – does somebody now have to pay Savoy for having posted that?

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  29. Eye contact. Try it. One every few minutes, if you are already in conversation, just lock eyes as you are saying something. don’t smile. Girls remember that.

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  30. Great post. Pretty much everything you said is right on.

    “It works and it’s a lot easier to integrate into who you are than is memorizing a long-winded routine. ”

    I disagree. You can work on your body language for years. It’s pretty easy and simple to memorize a few routines.

    Like you said, women can see through words. But good body language takes much longer and is much more work to adopt.

    I agree about the eye contact on meeting. There are studies that show that the more a man is attracted to a woman, the longer he holds eye contact with her.

    So if you first meet a woman and your eyes are glued on her, she knows she has you. Where as if you are casually looking around the room more, she feels like she has to earn your attention.

    “Can anyone list a few good films with actors demonstrating alpha body language?”

    Viggo Mortensen in Eastern Promises. And it’s an excellent film to boot.

    Eric Disco

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  31. on June 5, 2009 at 3:24 pm Hollywood Hotsauce

    Maurice – lol don’t think so.

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  32. maurice

    “@GMan – Scarface? a little on the thuggish side, but definitely Alpha. You have to admit his cocaine-lord taste in clothes and decor was a bit over the top, almost cartoonish.”

    Really?

    I always loved that chair he had with the gold “TM” on it.

    Remember style wise that movie came out in 1982 or something.

    Late 70’s early 80’s cocaine trafficker Miami style was all about being over the top.

    These days you have to keep it more low-pro.

    I rarely blow out collars. Although I probably should more.

    The pocket squares were dope in that movie. Always matching, which is not necessary.

    I like to go with a straight square vs the puffy square of Scarface also.

    – MPM

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  33. Charles Manson only owned a sleeping bad, a motorcycle, and a guitar, when he was free.

    He had 10-15 sexually available women.

    Musicians + mind control = girls

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  34. @GMan – let’s break that down. Armani, Brioni, Kiton = plush, understated, money, quiet authority. Scarface open-collar white suit = studio 54, South Beach, cocaine yacht parties, loud, attention-seeking. i had you pegged for the former..!?!

    you are right that it was depicting that era, though, and that particular type in that era. i guess my point was that walking around looking like Scarface today would make you look like, well, a movie character, a cartoon. whereas cary grant andleading men of that generation, with their perfectly tailored suits, are timeless.

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  35. on June 5, 2009 at 3:49 pm deTocqueville

    There are Korean nightclubs known for their “booking” — in which, men have tables with bottle service and the waiters bring stray women to their tables (the women would argue that they are dragged to the tables). Although non-Koreans may find this concept antiquated and maybe even misogynist, I like it for a couple reasons:

    1. First, like the post suggests, having women doing the “rotating” makes them less picky.

    2. This “booking” concept creates a construct where both sides don’t have to lose face. If a girl is seated at a guy’s table and there is no immediate chemistry with any of the guys there, she can claim that she was dragged there and therefore save face. If the guys aren’t interested, they can just ignore the girl and claim that the waiter brought an uninteresting girl and save face.

    Ultimately, I never understood the “I was dragged there” argument from women. If they don’t like the idea of being booked by waiters, why go to a booking club in the first place. There are tons of regular clubs.

    I wonder if this concept would work with non-Korean Americans.

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  36. maurice,

    I follow you.

    I actually dress more Bond than Tony Montana these days.

    My belief is that people should remember that you were well dressed, not remember exactly what you were wearing.

    Big difference.

    Also helps you blend in when need be.

    Although, places like South Beach and Las Vegas have a little different rules.

    – MPM

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  37. I’ve been told I do a fair number of these alpha body language things. Stoic face. “Hms”.

    I also have some major beta body language. For example, I do the following:

    – slouch
    – mumble and talk too fast sometimes
    – bit of a duck walk/waddle
    – avoid eye contact
    – touch my face (I swear it gets itchy)
    – look down

    Other people don’t really know how to fix this. They say really useful shit like “don’t slouch”. Gee thanks, I never fucking thought of that. People are stupid.

    I try to stand tall against a wall for 30 seconds, then walk around with same posture, to fix my slouch. Try to walk with your shoulders too. This makes you strut.

    Still haven’t found a good solution to fast talking/mumbling. I try to pronounce my plosives (Ds and Ts)

    Duck walk can be fixed by trying to land your foot on the inside of your heel when you walk. I naturally revert to duck walk if I don’t think about it though.

    The eye contact thing ain’t easy. I don’t want to look like I’m staring.

    I purposely monitor my behavior when I walk by people, to see if I touch my face or look down. This helps.

    el chief

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  38. El chief: making a commitment to identify eye color can help with eye contact. From there, try and watch pupil size. Helps eye contact, and monitoring pupil size is also a good way to judge interest.

    I’ve found a good way to slow down my speech is by focusing on deepening it. Its much harder to speak quickly with a deep pitch, so in order to be clear I’m forced to slow down.

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  39. “Keep a toothpick in your mouth if you don’t smoke.”

    I do this shit all the time after eating at a restaurant. never even knew it was alpha.

    Another alpha stance, is keeping your legs(while standing) spread at shoulder length, and having both of your hands on your hips. It exudes an image of being more threatening and larger than those beta.

    here is an example: http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2008/06/080403_na01_wide-horizontal.jpg

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  40. H said:

    If you say something stupid, goofy or impolite (hey, it happens) don’t backpedal or get flustered. Act as if nothing is wrong. Embarrassment is for the little people.

    Nothing wrong with that as far as tips go. But as a tip, as merely a tip, it’s virtually useless. No one who just tells himself that’s what he’ll do will actually do that.

    A more effective plan would be to consider the above an ideal state to attain. But reaching that state requires focusing on other things: on improving posture, slowing down speech, etc. Over time, the combination of those produces in you the effect that you no longer really care to feel embarrassed about foibles — so much so that anyone smirking at them feels the idiot, not you.

    I believe the above process (practising posture, body movements, etc) can be greatly aided by visualization and a commitment to affirming to oneself that this is the man one is becoming. What initially may strike the brain as ridiculous — me? like that? — eventually becomes self-evident — yeah, that’s me, why on earth would I give a goddam what anyone thinks of me?

    Possibly a key moment is when one’s brain gives rational assent to the notion that one is “all that” — it’s no longer “acting,” by God it’s as real as the sense that the sky looks blue.

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  41. I’ve found a good way to slow down my speech is by focusing on deepening it. Its much harder to speak quickly with a deep pitch, so in order to be clear I’m forced to slow down.

    Reading aloud is a method I found very helpful, especially concentrating on pronouncing every vowel and consonant of every syllable. You’ll sound ridiculous to yourself early on, but with practice it’s possible to achieve a commanding voice.

    I enjoy emulating actors these days. I doubt I do it very well, but this too is an excellent aid. Do yourself a favor and avoid everything on modern television. I’d rather emulate Mr. Ed or the Beaver father. Golden Age of Hollywood movies are the best though.

    I used to speak ridiculously quickly. I never realized until I heard myself on video once. Feel like an idiot when I think back to it.

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  42. el chief

    On eye contact, you could try:
    At the point you feel uncomfortable hold contact for half-a-second more and then slowly look away (sideways, not down).

    Imagine the light gaze you would have looking at a distant landscape, not the intense read-the-small-print stare.

    Imagine you are not looking their eyes, but a spot behind their head. Again, it is not a stare, it is a relaxed gaze.

    It is OK to look away when you are thinking or considering a point.

    On touching your face:
    The itchy feeling is probably nerves. If you do feel the need to touch your face, try to make it a slow, thoughtful, sensual stroke and not a scratch.

    On posture:
    Consider yoga, dance, or any of those activities that put you in touch with your body. Even light stretching in the morning might help.

    If you slouch forward, strengthening your back muscles may help.

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  43. alpha stance in movies:

    matthew mcconaughey’s body language is supreme alpha in this scene:

    memorable quote:

    “That’s what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age.”

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  44. “Dazed and Confused” btw is the movie in case you didn’t know

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  45. One post and now a dozen or so body language books seem like they would be a wasted investment.

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  46. I generally agree that extreme attentiveness is generally beta but there are alpha ways to do it as well. Bill Clinton is a good example of this. People would often say when locked in a conversation with Bill Clinton, he would make them feel as if they were only two people in the room.

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  47. my friend Andrew is a classic alpha. athetic star. natural with the ladies.

    some things i’ve observed about him:

    – walks tall
    – struts with his shoulders
    – smiles an awful lot
    – does the pouty-lip head nod when he’s listening to people, but often looks away when they are talking
    – is highly judgemental of beta behaviour

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  48. on June 5, 2009 at 5:58 pm gaiusuticensis

    Extended eye contact is the only thing I have problems with, because within the immediate family its considered disrespectful to look ’em directly in the eye, because it’s seen as a challenge of authority. Now it’s possible to see why that would also be immensely helpful in the mating game, but of course it’s been a very hard habit to break after a too-long childhood of beta-tude.

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  49. gaiusuticensis

    “Extended eye contact is the only thing I have problems with, because within the immediate family its considered disrespectful to look ‘em directly in the eye, because it’s seen as a challenge of authority.”

    Out of curiosity, what culture is this?

    – MPM

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  50. It’s dumb for that article to say that it’s a genetic adaptation for betas to have faster reaction times. That would imply that alphaness is genetic, and the mere fact that you can retrain your body and mind to be alpha disproves this. More likely, the bodies both have equal capacity for reacting, and in alphas the subconscious mind overrides the reaction more often.

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  51. Other people don’t really know how to fix this. They say really useful shit like “don’t slouch”. Gee thanks, I never fucking thought of that. People are stupid.

    Work out and focus on the right muscle groups. When I started going to the gym, I was told by people that my posture became much better.

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  52. Rhett Butler–doubleplus alpha

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  53. on June 5, 2009 at 6:54 pm Steve Johnson

    “Work out and focus on the right muscle groups. When I started going to the gym, I was told by people that my posture became much better.”

    Deadlifts and pullups will give you great posture.

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  54. Say “Hm” and “I see

    actually, it is of foremost importance to say one of those before her. it is a very subtle neg. but once you use “i see” before her, 95% of the girls are unable to use it. unless you say something really stupid

    i know believe that there is a fixed amount of “i see´s” and “hm´s ” in any conversation between man-woman. it is the duty of the man to use them all first and deny her the right to use.

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  55. I think the jittery Woody Allen of early days scored more than any pretense of solidness.

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  56. Woody Allen was a major lady killer.

    You can make anything work so long as you have underlying total confidence and impose your frame on the woman.

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  57. Good stuff

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  58. Good post. This really made it click for me on why body language can be so difficult to control: slower reaction times, undefended open stances and even a nice inviting raised chin are all things which can get you killed quite easily in the ancestral environment. That makes them reliable indicators of fitness – reliable because humans who did them without sufficient social status or physical strength got killed before they could pass on their genes. The handicap principle in action.

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  59. “Scratch your balls in public once in a while.”

    What is the explanation behind this one?

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  60. The most alpha men I can think of all come from old Westerns – especially John Wayne in “Stagecoach”, Gary Cooper in “High Noon”, and Lee van Cleef in “The Good the Bad and the Ugly”. Another good one is Sidney Poitier in “In the Heat of the Night” (i.e. “They call me MR. TIBBS!”) These men all oozed that cool, stoic, utterly badass sort of vibe she is talking about.

    And yes, there is something very hot about the long blank stare and pause before a response. I usually start blushing and babble something silly…which I guess is the point. 🙂

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  61. on June 5, 2009 at 9:41 pm Steve Johnson

    kim

    “Scratch your balls in public once in a while.”

    What is the explanation behind this one?

    They get itchy.

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  62. Alphaness IS genetic, no matter what you think about it.

    Posture: yes, exercises help, go see a physio. They’ll tape you up, and that work wonders.

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  63. Speed dating is a byproduct of SWPL social engineering.

    It sucks for TWO reasons :
    1) As she mentions, the frame is that the man has to ‘sell himself’, which makes them Beta (although airheads like Chic Noir think this is the natural order, and in fact that buying a woman a drink is the justified price of getting a few minutes of her time, even for men who know Game).

    2) The ‘age group’ stupidity, that forces men to interface with women their age, rather than a decade younger.

    e.g. there will be 3 groups : 25-34, 35-44, 45-54. A man who is 47, thus, has to interface with women who are in the 45-54 group, rather than in the group one tier lower (let alone 2 tiers lower). That is against biology, not that God-complex SWPLs care about that.

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  64. Is the neg overrated?

    No. It depends on WHEN you do the neg. It can’t be too early. It has to be after she has shown at least a bit of interest.

    Plus, the PUAs in the study may not have been good PUAs. Furthermore, studies are NEVER, EVER corrupted to force a feminist-approved outcome.

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  65. Yeah right! There’s no way a Beta can be pretend to be an Alpha! A Beta can try to act tough and manly in the same way a bloke can pretend they’re rich and try and score women but women have built-in biological detectors that will sort out the fakes in a few minutes. Alphas, Betas and Omegas are born the way they are. Not only are Alpha males larger, confident and more muscular they also have near-perfect vertical bilatteral symetry.

    At the end of the day, a Beta guy should find a down-to-earth gal to settle down and marry with. Omegas should stick Internet porn and masturbation. Only Alphas can chase various women for brief sexual encounters designed in the days when it would maximise Alpha genes in society. You just can’t fight biology!

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  66. Open Question:

    How to be a PUA in high school? A contained environment where gossip becomes a cockblock?

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  67. Great blog. I’ve been dope slapping myself for weeks now but getting a fine education while lurking and reading the archives. Glad to see that you finally fixed the technical difficulties causing that noisy static that has been obliterating the comments for the past few weeks. Also, kudos to Obsidian and Dave from Hawaii for very valuable contributions. There are others but those are the standouts in my judgement, everyone else should cut their comments in half.

    Along the lines of DFH, I’m an LTR kind a guy but (now in retrospect with my new found knowledge) see that I slip into being beta over time, LTR ends… rinse and repeat. However, I think that I have some alpha qualities related to body language.

    I’ve noticed (long before I discovered this blog) that when walking in crowds that people defer to my presence. By that I mean crowds part to let me pass (if its not too crowded). I’m not physically intimidating or glaring or anything like that, I just carry my self well and people respond to it (though sometimes I slouch and now I see the importance of fixing that flaw). If I am standing still in a crowd the traffic flow naturally goes around me while I watch others struggle with getting bumped and buffeted by the unwashed masses. I was at a post-conference dinner once, as a random attendee not a speaker, and was just hanging out enjoying the vibe and chatting with friends, etc and this couple that I did not know came up and said — “you look like you control the whole room and we are your pawns”. That is alpha. Sadly, that was many years ago and I’m just now trying to reclaim it.

    So here’s a tip — find a crowd (bars, concerts, fairs, winefests, airports, etc) and observe who commands respect through their physical presence and who does not, then jump in and practice your own skills. And while you are at it, you can eavesdrop to learn how miserable the “empowered” modern women are with their emasculated Western males.

    Okay, I’ll pipe down before she posts naked pictures of me found on the web 😉

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  68. @ deTocqueville –

    omg i totally agree re the concept of booking clubs. brilliant.

    fyi – the act of ‘resistance’ put on by the girls is a complete show. they have to pretend that they’re dragged to the tables and they’ll pull against the hosts dragging them over, but in reality they don’t mind at all. you’re right – that’s the reason they’re there in the first place.

    i think typical ‘white’ clubs had something like this back in the 70’s or 80’s, where there were telephones at each table and you could dial a table across the room and speak to someone. nothing like the korean concept, though. i don’t know if it would ever catch on here. i think american women are too brazen – they wouldn’t want to wait to be dragged to a table of men they think are hot, and, on the flip side, if they were seated at a table with guys they didn’t like, there’s no way they’d be polite enough to go through the motions, down a shot of crown royal, and politely excuse themselves to use the restroom.

    but oh how i wish they did exist! 🙂

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  69. on June 6, 2009 at 6:06 am What a fucking moron

    Gil you are a fucking idiot.

    For individuals that worship evolutionary psychology and biology there are some fucking pseudo-educated morons on this blog.

    Gil, go actually READ some fucking biology for a change. There is more to biology than genetics. In this case the important concept is adaptation, one of the key concepts in biology. Adding to that, there is more to adaptation than just genetic adaptation, there is also behavioral adaptation i.e. organisms can learn and adapt to their environments.

    Adaptation is the key part of game. If the world followed your ridiculously stupid worldview there wouldn’t even be game, because by its nature there wouldn’t be any players competing in an environment with other men for women.

    Jesus christ, it is like some of you half-read some Dawkins and then applied your half-watered down bullshit ideas to it.

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  70. Getting in good shape does a lot to promote this kind of demeanor, and martial arts work wonders for how you move.

    I played sports for years and years, and was pretty good at most of them, but nothing gave me confidence and a good, solid feel on my feet like kung fu. That’s probably because I trained barefoot on a lacquered floor, and developed stronger feet than I’d ever had before (after a couple weeks of pain and split, bloody soles). Another thing is that when you are used to getting hit with sticks and dodging kicks and punches you just aren’t very scared of people. The specific routines, even though they sound kind of dumb, like “drunken monkey” or whatever, also really help with grace and balance.

    It worked wonders for my presence. I’d walk into bars after a few months of kung fu, and people simply noticed me because I moved with such ease and without a care. It felt awesome at the time. I should probably start taking kung fu again…

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  71. Charlie Sheen in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off. No kidding.

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  72. So true. Once you get attraction down, it usually takes only a couple minutes, and body language is a huge part of getting initial attraction. Then you have mid-game, which is pretty much all of game.

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  73. WAF Moron – why then do people need advice to be what they are not already? If certain guys were meant to be ‘quality catches’ then why are they dateless reading up on how to improve their dating abilities? It goes back to the old saying – “if it’s meant to be, it would have already happened by now’.

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  74. on June 6, 2009 at 8:32 am Default User

    db, Firepower

    *grabs db*
    *pulls her to Firepower’s table*
    *takes drinks order*

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  75. gil

    Alpha qualities are mostly based on things like:
    Dominance
    (dis)Agreeablness
    Extraversion.

    Those are probably about 50 percent inherited. That leaves 50 percent to the environment (i.e., learning).

    A lot of being an Alpha is social skills, and those are definitely learned (and can be improved by practice and study).

    The only inherited trait that is fixed is height (somewhat important but far from vital). Even physique can be improved by exercise (the beanpole guy can buff up).

    In other words the guy that nature was kind to can be beaten by the guy that applied nurture to himself (self improvement). By showing adaptability the second guy has earned his shot at genetic immortality (sex).

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  76. on June 6, 2009 at 9:08 am What a fucking moron

    [email protected], shitty folk sayings somehow invalidate the notion of adaptation and learning.

    Everyone should give up on everything that is not inherent.

    Mixed martial artists should stop training in combative styles for 10+ years of their lives, because if they were any good they would have been good at fighting stand up and on the ground from birth AMIRITE.

    Think what you are saying here you fucking idiot.

    You are trying to apply concrete platonic categories to evolution, when evolution is about constant change.

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  77. It goes back to the old saying – “if it’s meant to be, it would have already happened by now’.

    That is the most idiotic saying I recall hearing in a long time.

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  78. That is the most idiotic saying I recall hearing in a long time.

    It was a pretty dumb thing to say, I agree. Some of the more strident Game-detractors either come here with simplistic preconceived notions about Game. That’s forgivabel and hopefuly their attitude will have changed as they hang around.

    Others are just douches who use shaming language like the dude you are quoting.

    One of the ignorant things about that comment is that much of Game-learning consists of learning simple, tactical things that you either know or don’t know. You could be a natural super-Alpha, but for reasons of misinstructions, you could be spending your entire youth making bad Beta errors.

    Example from yours-truly: in my mid-20s, there were two occasions on which I ran natural Game on very pretty girls. But — earlier I read some faggoty dating article written by a woman, which said that it’s very attractive and “respectful” of women when the guy gives her HIS phone number, not asks her for hers.

    Anyway, I did just that and never heard from those chicks again. Yes, shoot me please.

    Tactical knowledge like what we pick up here would have disabused me of this and other lies.

    The other side of a Game-blog is the metapicture we internalize here. The whole “pretty lies perish” thing. Including the notion — which can take some effort to shove through guys’ earwax — that we can improve ourselves and our fortunes on the dating market. Of course, some guys like David Alexander, have more earwax than others.

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  79. PA,
    Your views on Game mirror my own; there’s the “Tactical” part of it, which consists of “how to’s”, such as openers, negs, body language and so on; and then there’s the “Strategy” or “Big Picture” aspect of Game, which expounds on our evolutionary beginnings, *why Men and Women behave as they do*, when it comes to dating/mating, etc.

    One reason why I liked The Mystery Method, is because he combines both “tactical” and “big picture” info in his book, and puts it in such a way that a complete newbie coming in off the street can understand what’s going on. And for me, although I learned a good bit from the tactical end of the book, I learned even more on the big picture end. For me, I find I do better when I’m freed up to improvise, so the big picture aspects of his book really allowed me to put errthing in2 context, and then move out accordingly, tossing a dash here and there of some of what Mystery or Style would use. I’ve found it to be quite an effective system.

    As for the Game Haters-which I’ve found, to my utter shock, that more often than not tend to be Male-I’ve figured out why they’re so pissed.

    I posit these are the guys who know they’ll never be successful w/Game for a number of reasons, so they do a more meaner version of a Dave Alex, and basically act like virtual cockblockers. When a Man has brought himself down that low, you know things are sad.

    Real sad.

    O

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  80. Authorities tell us that good communication is more about body language than actual words. Speed Dating

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  81. Those who put down the notion that bio-mechanical game skills cannot really be “taught” should spent some time becoming familiar with the techniques of “basic training” that are used by all military forces – the serious ones anyway.
    There is always a relentless emphasis on controlling the body postures of everyone involved, recruits and drill instructors.
    There is an underlying idea that changing the way someone stands and moves changes how they see themselves at least as much as changing the way they see themselves changes how they stand and move.
    The thing is, changing bio-mechanics is 100 times faster and more reliable than trying to change private self-image based issues. Teaching/compelling a guy to stand, walk, talk, and fight like a soldier and he is 90% of the way to seeing himself as a soldier regardless of what he was to start with.

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  82. H should tell us whether he really juiced up after all (“Steroid Questions” post) and whether that improved his body language naturally. If we could all get alpha testosterone levels from a syringe, with minimal side effects, then we wouldn’t have to practice this stuff so much.

    Why should the younger brothers who soaked up those excess androgens in the womb get all the 2D:4D benefits? My 2D:4D is 1.05 so I am an unforgivable affront to the age of sexual dystopia.

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  83. on June 6, 2009 at 1:41 pm Dave from Hawaii

    IMHO, “game” is really about inner-focus, self-awareness and understanding the dynamics of social interaction with all human beings. In terms of the PUA, it’s with the specific goal in mind of getting sex…but the overall principles have far more effecting consequences on your life once you understand the theories and concepts, and than readily recognize them as they play out before your very eyes when you deal with people.

    It really boils down to your focus: develop your inner self, and the “outer self” will take care of itself.

    I now find myself observing human beings interacting, and easily identify who is acting beta, who is the socially dominant alpha…which females are attracted to which guys, which females are playing the “i’m a victim” card while continuing to sexually chase the bad boy. One can easily see which relationships are on solid ground, and which ones are headed for certain disaster (when the woman wears the pants and the man is a supplicating Beta).

    This is why I love the matrix metaphor with regards to game. It really is about taking that red pill and seeing things that you did not know formerly existed.

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  84. Dave from Hawaii…
    > It really boils down to your focus: develop your inner self, and the “outer self” will take care of itself.

    I think it works both ways but ultimately the inner self is more important. I think the PUA articles mention the importance of congruence but a recovering beta has to start somewhere and body language is a good place to start for a lot of guys. Stop slouching is much easier than rethinking everything you ever thought you knew about male/female relations. Observing human interaction in a new light on people you really know is how one changes one’s inner self but this takes time and effort. If a guy fails to do the rethink he will soon find himself slouching, not scoring and think game is stupid. His loss.

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  85. On a related topic, Obama and Sarkozy having a little spat:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6434141.ece

    Cool kids don’t party with squares right?

    With all this jockeying for social position, the Obama administration is beginning to resemble an episode of MTV’s ‘My Super Sweet 16.’

    This is what happens when guys spend too much time trying to get inside women’s heads…

    They get stuck there.

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  86. Ya? What if you can buy all the pussy you want.. who cares about what women think?

    It is men like you who are truly “beta” or whatever you want to call it. You are still trying to please a woman and that is the real problem.

    // If a guy fails to do the rethink he will soon find himself slouching, not scoring and think game is stupid. His loss.//

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  87. You have delusions of knowledge and control.. fine.

    Try a multi-scenario optimization (probability based) instead of a single scenario optimization. One of my issues with game is that it assumes and optimizes for only type of scenario (which works ok as long as you are in the optimal zone).

    Example- Models for pricing Mortgage Backed Securities (MBSes) worked fine as long as house prices went up or stayed constant. They failed horribly when the scenario that was not modeled (but very likely) came to pass- namely house prices went down.

    //IMHO, “game” is really about inner-focus, self-awareness and understanding the dynamics of social interaction with all human beings.//

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  88. Good post, I think a lot of body language is simply your posture, standing up straight and being relaxed. Being fit and in shape is a major factor as well.

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  89. on June 6, 2009 at 4:07 pm deTocqueville

    @ db

    Ha, you sound like you’re already familiar with the Korean booking concept since you cited the Crown Royal, which is the staple drink at Korean clubs. Only a veteran or someone who has Korean friends would know this fact!

    Though we may never see a non-Korean booking club in the U.S., you can still go to Korean American ones like Cercle in NY and LA. The one in NY is mostly Korean while the one in LA is actually attended by more Chinese and other Asians.

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  90. on June 6, 2009 at 5:08 pm Conscientious observer

    Some Alpha body language worth recalling:

    And this new photo provides a fresh sense of how impressively long in advance he stood there:

    http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/behind-the-scenes-tank-man-of-tiananmen/

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  91. Game from chic noir

    1.Work out with weights. Even if you’re a big guy who eats crap work out with weights. Have you noticed that a fat construction worker looks better than a fat office worker.

    2.Posture posture posture guys.

    3. Don’t bite you nails, it’s a weakness that turns many women off. Nail biting is one of those things that doesn’t get mentioned much but in private, women talk about a man’s hands and nails. When you bite your nails, it tells women I’ m a nervous wreck who is prone to spazz out or anxiety attacks. I’ve seen some good looking guys who had nails that look like they put their fingers in a shredder.
    For men- Soft hands are nice and callused construction worker hands are nice as well, preference will depend on the woman.

    Anonymous wrote
    I generally agree that extreme attentiveness is generally beta but there are alpha ways to do it as well. Bill Clinton is a good example of this. People would often say when locked in a conversation with Bill Clinton, he would make them feel as if they were only two people in the room.

    Yup have a close friend who had her own experience with Clinton. I had a short conversation with Kweisi Mfume once. He made me feel like bells and whistles were going off inside of my head. As soon as he finished talking to me, I made a hasty retreat. I don’t like to talk about it much because it was such an uncomfortable feeling for me.

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  92. This is a question for Obsidian–

    Hey dude, I heard you claim several times that something like 80% of all women who ever lived managed to reproduce while only half as many men have. Can you point me out to where you read this?

    Thanks!

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  93. Abe,
    You know what, I’m sorry I can’t give you the exact chapter and verse on the quote, but I got it by way of the Gengis Khan piece, where a sizable portion of Asians are his direct descendents. Maybe somebody out there can follow up on this?

    O

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  94. on June 6, 2009 at 7:42 pm GNPs are for Apes

    Why couldn’t the second and third tanks just go around the first one and try to pass from the other side? The guy could not have been in 3 places at once to block all 3.

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  95. It’s probably because the tank commander of the first vehicle was in charge of all three tanks, and he ordered them (by radio) to just stop behind him.

    People say it was the standing man who was a hero. Sure, he did a very brave thing. But it was the officer in charge of this tank column who risked the most, if he in fact disobeyed his orders to roll forward.

    On the other hand, maybe he was ordered to stop by his superiors outside of the tanks becaue Western press was watching. I dunno. I also don’t know if this occurred before the events Tienanmen massacre, when the authorities still hoped to contain the unrest without bloodshed.

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  96. I am not sure about the toothpick in the mouth thing. It seems a bit too gauche or ghetto trashy. Stoic restraint should apply to appearances too and a toothpick advertises that you are trying to appear alpha, when perhaps you are actually a bit too insecure to be one in reality but want everyone around you to think you are not.

    Jame Bond, especially Connery, is a good example of restrained, stoical alpha toughness refined by a certain class, culture and penetrating intellect. A man in the end proves himself by his mind and actions and not his just appearance, although the two are not mutually exclusive. Tooth picks don’t seem to be part of that culture. A cigar or cigarette on the other hand fits in quite well. A glass of scotch works too.

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  97. So the man in the photos was not run over.

    Do we know what happened to him later? did they arrest him or what

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  98. So alphas evolved the ability to not sense or respond to approaching danger? So if a guy walked up with, say, a hefty chunk of wood in his hand and made a loud noise, he could conceivably bash the alpha in the mouth without ever being noticed by him.

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  99. The open stance was not towards *all* predators. Just towards the pack.

    However, research with baboons have shown that the disliked alpha that is too overbearing is quietly taken out, in sometimes quite Machiavellian ways. Example is the beta baboon that fails to warn that a predator has the drop on the alpha.

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  100. “It was a pretty dumb thing to say, I agree.” – P.A.

    About what? Guys who tend towards the Alpha don’t have to think much of dating they find some lass to go out with and be done with. They’re probably look at those who tend towards the Omega and wonder what all the fuss is about.

    “. . . that we can improve ourselves and our fortunes on the dating market”

    Or as Homer said to Bart “if it’s hard to do it’s not worth doing”. Maybe there are things in life that are hard but they shouldn’t be that hard. The proverbial Alpha male couldn’t put his finger on why he’s successful with women – it just sorta happens. The proverbial Omega can’t put his finger on why women won’t give him the time of day – it just sorta happens. Admittedly, most are Beta-ish, in that, they’re not God’s gift to women but are nonetheless mildly successful and are more likely to settle down in a stable monogamous relationship than ‘sow their wild oats’. Just because I said some were gifted to be Alpha males doesn’t mean every other male’s an Omega. (It sort of a ‘bell curve’ thing.)

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  101. on June 6, 2009 at 9:45 pm Endup Ooper

    You could also try a mild cycle of test. The sense of well-being you get while on is what you want to mimic. Most guys I know that have used are instant magnets for women while on, and it seems to change most of them a bit after their first cycle as well.

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  102. Abe: here you go:

    http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/is-there-anything-good-about-men-and-other-tricky-questions/

    Also, original cite from Tierney —

    http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm

    DNA evidence suggests that 80% of all women reproduced, but only 40% of men.

    I would agree, body language is very important. Act like you own the place.

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  103. @Default: db, Firepower

    *grabs db*
    *pulls her to Firepower’s table*
    *takes drinks order*

    lol!!! a shot of crown royal, please [after i resist and pretend i don’t want to go.]

    re: alpha body language, check out most nfl quarterbacks, from their stance on the field while playing to how they conduct themselves in interviews and on the sidelines. much more alpha than the typical preening wide receiver whinyboys. and, though the offensive line guys are arguably tougher, have a more ‘james bond’ style. think tom brady – who was quoted in an old issue of si when asked about how he got giselle saying something like ‘you have to shake her confidence; make her wonder ‘what’s wrong with me.”

    also some mma fighters like lyoto machida or dan henderson (though not all – there are many who have short man complexes and others who are insecure peacocks, like guys who need truck nuts on their hummer)

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  104. on June 7, 2009 at 2:41 am Zarathustra

    Seeking Alpha:
    “I’d say the odds are probably 50/50 or less that he has a successful career.”

    And you’d be wrong, because he does have a pretty damn good white collar job that would require, at a bare minimum, a bachelors degree if not more.

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  105. Lucifer wrote…
    ” Ya? What if you can buy all the pussy you want.. who cares about what women think? It is men like you who are truly “beta” or whatever you want to call it. You are still trying to please a woman and that is the real problem.”

    Its a common misconception that game is just about getting pussy. By your standard anyone who wants a girl is a beta. The only way to be an alpha is to repudiate women entirely ala Dave Alex — but then that makes you omega, not alpha. This approach doesn’t make much sense to me.

    At its core game is really about proper male/female relationships and more specifically what is masculine and what is feminine. The latter concept has been destroyed by the feminists who want to deny the submissive/dominant elements involved. Rent some DVDs from the Golden Age of Hollywood to see what the past was like when men’s and women’s roles were more clearly defined and much more consistent with our basic natures.

    Its hardly “beta” to want a woman in one’s life — but at what price and on what terms is really the question. One big problem is that the terminology is not precise enough to make clear and consistent distinctions. For example, beta is often used as a pejorative (see the LR thread and the betas feeding her attention whoring) but an uncuckolded, unemasculated, provider, husband can hardly be considered bad but is often considered a beta, or certainly not alpha which is the “ideal”.

    Let’s not forget also that many concepts smuggle in feminist ideas which adds to the confusion. For example, the idea of “double standards” implies that men and women are the same. In reality, its not double standards for two equal beings but separate standards for two completely different physical and psychological needs. Jump on too many cocks and women damage their ability to bond — like a used bumper sticker. Men don’t have that problem so the standards are different.

    Moreover, the situation is even further confused in that guys like H have reached certain conclusions about the state of the culture and have decided to use game/masculinity to ride pussy down to the rubble of Western Civ. Well, that’s a possible use of game and his choice but it hardly defines what game is — but many feminists mistakenly think so.

    I know this is kind of vague but like everyone else I am stuck using the terminology as it is and I don’t care to waste my time trying to fix it. The basic ideas of game are correct and true. If you haven’t already, you should read the archives to get a better idea.

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  106. Great post! This is gold!

    The toothpick thing… I think it depends on how you act. Believe me, here, there’s a whole culture of old, poor but manly toothpick-in-their-mouths +60 years old ex-alphas. And then, there are the Beta’s immitation.

    I also happen to agree with Eric Disco:

    “I disagree. You can work on your body language for years. It’s pretty easy and simple to memorize a few routines.”

    I remember when I was 15. I was separated from all my friends, some close familiars died, just got into high school into the worst of the classes. My male collegues were all kind of retardeds. With my friends, I’d laugh at them, but they were the ones to laugh at me, especially because in that group my “superiority pose” did not apply.
    The girls were awfull. Only a girl there I would fuck. Literally, only one who was more than a 6. Eventually, now in their 19/20s some girls have become “fuckable” and some are now 7s and maybe 8s.
    However, while the boys said I walked in a “funny way”, the “hot girl” wich was a very small 8 used to said to me that I “walked straigh up forward, like an emperor”. “You walk superbly”, said the “hot” girl, “never lose that”. Interesting.

    She was very sweet. She was an 8 but I did not wanted to fuck her I don’t know why. Maybe if she wanted to dig me, but she didn’t.
    It’s funny. I stop to talked to her the next year when she was talking to an “alpha” guy, I went to say hello, giving her two kisses, and she said “wait a second”.
    I was then very alpha, and said: “Look, bye!” and walked away like an emperor. She eventually came running to me saying she was sorry and that she was not talking to me, but I’ve never talked to her ever since.

    I pitty that because she was such a sweet girl (and an 8) but in reality, I do and did NOT care much about her.

    But my body language goes through optimal and very bad moments according to my emotional state.
    When I’m angry, it’s great.
    When I’m satisfied or very happy, which is rare, it’s quiet okay.
    When I’m completely relaxed, it is almost as good as when I’m angry.

    But, 85 to 90% of my time I am nothing of that: I am sad or shy or blueish or thinking about how much I suck and everything sucks, or how much everyrthing will and has the potential to be good, better, etc. In a word, I’m 85 to 90% of my time not relaxed and do not act naturally. That sucks. And that’s why your body language is so difficult to maintain. It depends on your emotional state. Last friday I went to my first driver’s lessons class. It was awfull as I was new, were trying to adopt some posture – any posture, did not know what to do, was not confident and was comparing myself to all the other higher betas who were there. And all had alpha-ish postures.

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  107. You know what, I’m sorry I can’t give you the exact chapter and verse on the quote, but I got it by way of the Gengis Khan piece, where a sizable portion of Asians are his direct descendents. Maybe somebody out there can follow up on this?

    It has been estimated that 8 percent of the male population in the territories that belonged to the mongols carry in their Y chromosomes a genotype common in the area where Ghengis Khan originated.

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  108. The percentage I mentioned above is probably as much a consequence of murder as well as rape. As a collective revenge, I suggest everyone dump as much sperm into Mongolian women as possible. 😉

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  109. ““Scratch your balls in public once in a while.”

    What is the explanation behind this one?”

    Easy. You have such a big pair of balls that it is irritating sometimes and you have to put it in place.
    Also, when a girl sees you touching it in a relaxed, non-showing-off way, they will think it would be funny for them to touch as well.

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  110. Markku, but… Mongolian women sucks! They are ugly. And even the pretty ones, are… well… Asians…

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  111. On the etymology of the term “herb” -apparently, the Japaneses have a similar term -Herbivore man!

    http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/05/japan.herbivore.men/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

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  112. on June 7, 2009 at 3:13 pm Loon_Jobbie

    A possible new candidate for beta of the month?
    Check out:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124415971813687173.html
    The Wall Street Journal reports that due to the overabundance of Chinese men of marriageable age, there are reports of scams in which women show up in rural towns, negotiate a high dowry, and then disappear with the money.
    Meet Mr. Zhou, and see his reaction to being ripped off:
    “She called me soon after she left,” says Mr. Zhou. He says she asked how he was doing. “I told her, ‘I will see you again one day….'”
    He adds: “I feel I can’t hate her” and “She must have her own troubles.” He now wants the world to know he is: “…so depressed his parents have forbidden him to leave the village.”
    Loon Jobbie –

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  113. DNA evidence suggests that 80% of all women reproduced, but only 40% of men

    this number is being cited everywhere. I would like to see it broken down by ethnicity or religion. I bet that in Asia by Genghis Khan time 5% of men were mating with 80% of women, and since 60% of mankind is asian, you gel the picture

    in Christian europe it couldn´t be as low as 40% of men, only

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  114. Welmer, that’s a mere 4 according to my classification.
    What Orientals do well is to trasnscend the beauty of their women trough Anime: See, Sakura from Naruto.
    That’s an Asian I’d like to penetrate slowly from behinde while saying. TAAAAAKKEEEE IIIITT! slowly but powerfully.

    Glad we wouldn’t fight about women though. That’s degrading.

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  115. Gig — Christian monogamy dates only from around 1000 AD or so. Before the Romans, the tribal chiefs had almost all the women. After the Romans, the tribal chiefs had almost all the women. So the fairly recent, and limited, Western European monogamy model probably skewed the results, take away Europe and it would have been more like 80-20.

    Which is why civilizations are so unstable. Men will only defend them if they have an interest in them. No one wants to die for the Sultan’s harem. Slaves will do what they can to get out of it. And raiders will do anything if they can get a woman of their, a captive, out of it.

    Women of course will often happily surrender to dominating invaders. Nearly all attractive women in Occupied Europe from ages 15-40 were mistresses of the Germans. Inconvenient but true.

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  116. [email protected]

    Welmer, that’s a mere 4 according to my classification.

    I didn’t link that photo for the woman’s classical beauty — if I had I would have used another Mongol. Rather, it was her exceptional ability, which could put a permanent crick in one’s neck if any attempt were made to follow the contortions of her parts.

    I have known classical beauty in Mongol women. Their eyes have a special kind of allure, what with their unique, cat-like shape. In fact, some are blonde, and it isn’t because of Russian blood.

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  117. chic noir advised:

    I would say stuff or pad a little. Women do check that area of a man out. It’s called “the print”

    Indeed, rock stars have understood this for decades. No foil needed.

    http://www.harryshearer.com/clips/airport.ram
    [it is the airport scene from This is Spinal Tap]

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  118. @ Gooch

    check out Chevy Chase in Caddyshack

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  119. ^^^ default, women giggle at men that wear skinny jeans who have no print.
    women we see men with something, we can’t help to look,giggle or wonder.

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  120. *when we see*

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  121. I am very interested in the below quote:

    Women of course will often happily surrender to dominating invaders. Nearly all attractive women in Occupied Europe from ages 15-40 were mistresses of the Germans. Inconvenient but true.

    I am very interested in scholarly sources that verify the above – I am not saying I doubt it but I want to see some evidence.

    I am most interested in the hot looking unmarried 18 and 19 year olds in occupied France Belgium and Netherlands – what percentage of these hot looking 9’s and 10’s went with the invading Germans and what percentage of the hot looking girls went exclusively with the men of their own country?

    Take France for example – the German army defeated the French army – Germans walked around Paris with good strong confident body language –

    The young French men walked around with a sad defeated air. Does this make the German young men alphas and the French young men betas?

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  122. Stu

    I am very interested in the below quote:

    Women of course will often happily surrender to dominating invaders. Nearly all attractive women in Occupied Europe from ages 15-40 were mistresses of the Germans. Inconvenient but true.

    German women were also perfectly happy to get it on with POWs. So were American women. There was a riot here in Seattle over that — the Italian POWs held at Fort Lawton were getting so much tail that resentful black soldiers lynched one of them.

    Women will screw anything exotic, whether dominant or not. Female sexuality is easily as chaotic as male, if not more so.

    In fact, when I was a kid during the height of “grunge” in Seattle, I shaved my head because I was sick of the style. Immediately, I got a whole lot of female attention. I guess, because I looked different from all the other guys, I appeared “alpha.”

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  123. @chic – “Women do check that area of a man out. It’s called “the print”

    lol totally second that one. we’re much more subtle about it than the typical guy scanning the landscape of a woman’s body, but if a guy is seated or standing facing me (especially when he’s semi-sitting-leaning on a bar stool) i’ll definitely check out the package. hot.

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  124. Question about the 40% figure for all men who have ever reproduced.

    Does this refer to all males who ever lived, or just those who survived long enough to attain reproductive age? Because back in the state of nature (and even for some time thereafter), huge numbers died early enough in life from disease, abandonment, and murder as not to get to play the game.

    Whiskey, Obs, Welmer–any thoughts?

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  125. Sestambi, I believe it is reproductive age. Though as a practical matter, most hunter-gatherers (the majority of human time) had equal attrition rates by gender.

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  126. That guy is literally the richest oligarch in Russia and Putin humiliates him like a bitch

    Money doesn’t mean as much in Russia as it does in the West. This is because Russia has a weak legal system. The division of powers is purely theoretical in Russia at least at high level. The courts decide everything exactly as the Kremlin wants when big money is involved. Putin is a silovik while Deripaska is just a businessman. Putin made Deripaska and he can just as easily unmake him. See the Jukos affair if you’re interested in the technical details of how that can be done.

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  127. chic noir: I would say stuff or pad a little. Women do check that area of a man out. It’s called “the print”

    that maneuver sophisticated ladies do to see how much of “a square” a guy’s wallet wears thru his jeans.

    that’s the real bulge bitches check for

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  128. chic noir, db

    …And in other news…
    Grocery stores have reported a large increase in the sales of cucumbers and zucchinis. Retail analysts have no explanation…

    Coming soon, “push up” underwear for men.

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  129. Every woman adores a Fascist:

    Paris during Nazi occupation was ‘one big romp’

    A new book which suggests that the German occupation of France encouraged the sexual liberation of women has shocked a country still struggling to come to terms with its troubled history of collaboration with the Nazis.

    Like a recent photographic exhibition showing Parisians enjoying themselves under the occupation, the book’s depiction of life in Paris as one big party is at odds with the collective memory of hunger, resistance and fear.

    “It is a taboo subject, a story nobody wants to hear,” said Patrick Buisson, author of 1940-1945 Années Erotiques (“erotic years”). “It may hurt our national pride, but the reality is that people adapted to occupation.”

    Many might prefer to forget but, with their husbands in prison camps, numerous women slept not only with German soldiers – the young “blond barbarians” were particularly attractive to French women, says Buisson – but also conducted affairs with anyone else who could help them through financially difficult times: “They gave way to the advances of the boss, to the tradesman they owed money to, their neighbour. In times of rationing, the body is the only renewable, inexhaustible currency.”

    Cold winters, when coal was in short supply, and a curfew from 11pm to 5am also encouraged sexual activity, says Buisson, with the result that the birth rate shot up in 1942 even though 2m men were locked up in the camps.

    It has been claimed that prostitutes staged the first rebellion against the Nazis by refusing to service the invaders but Buisson called this a myth. The Germans, he claimed, were welcomed into the city’s best brothels, a third of which were reserved for officers. Another 100,000 women in Paris became “occasional prostitutes”, he said.

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  130. Tarl: “It is a taboo subject, a story nobody wants to hear,” said Patrick Buisson, author of 1940-1945 Années Erotiques (“erotic years”). “It may hurt our national pride, but the reality is that people adapted to occupation.”

    It’s not a big deal – people fuck. The problem is the sanctimony French ladle on the war years and their penchant for unclaimed glory such as DeGaulle parading through Paris (on camera) as some faux “liberateur” when thousands of Brits and Americans did the real heavy lifting.

    And how conveniently, rapidly, the cameras were deployed when the oftplayed “scenes” of the “Resistance” “battling” the Germans in Paris are dragged out for History Channel docs.

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  131. The French will be the first to admit that people fuck.

    It is a big deal to them, though, that French girls fucked German soldiers.

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  132. Db lol totally second that one. we’re much more subtle about it than the typical guy scanning the landscape of a woman’s body,

    😆 db, we have to be subtle about it. Otherwise the guy can mistake our looking for a come on.

    Firepower that maneuver sophisticated ladies do to see how much of “a square” a guy’s wallet wears thru his jeans.

    Firepower, the US is no longer a cash based society. Very few Americans walk around with large sums of money. Most men carry a credit card, debit card, and two 20 dollar bills. Furthermore, all women check out the print.

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  133. chic noir:

    Firepower, the US is no longer a cash based society. Very few Americans walk around with large sums of money. Most men carry a credit card, debit card, and two 20 dollar bills. Furthermore, all women check out the print.

    you explain away everything with vivacity and charm – you’re like the black Hillary Clinton. I bet you could even explain away an erection, and probably have, many times.

    hey, what’s up with your av now – isn’t that a 1960’s stewardess recruitment poster for Namibian Air?

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  134. firepower, the woman is an African model from Sudan.

    you’re like the black Hillary Clinton.
    Why thank you sir 🙂

    I bet you could even explain away an erection
    better than DA.

    , and probably have, many times.
    and more often.

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  135. chic noir

    , and probably have, many times.
    and more often.

    lol – what girl uses a real live penis… when she can masturbate?

    your replies are a delight. they show the complete depth of female intelligence, wit and humor.

    “more often” you are a hoot

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  136. firepower more often = ++
    🙂

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  137. [email protected]
    “Firepower, the US is no longer a cash based society. Very few Americans walk around with large sums of money. Most men carry a credit card, debit card, and two 20 dollar bills. Furthermore, all women check out the print.”

    I started carrying a steel business card holder and using it as a slim wallet for cards and ID.

    Cash though, I usually carry obscene gods of cash. I don’t like electronic transactions. I water mist and iron my cash nightly. It’s a ritual.. ironing the banknotes.

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  138. drat… wrong thread

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  139. @chic

    “Furthermore, all women check out the print.”

    Honestly I don’t. I do look at the tush though.

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  140. on June 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm accidentaldissent

    Gil,

    At the end of the day, a Beta guy should find a down-to-earth gal to settle down and marry with. Omegas should stick Internet porn and masturbation. Only Alphas can chase various women for brief sexual encounters designed in the days when it would maximise Alpha genes in society. You just can’t fight biology!

    True 95% of the time.

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  141. Film with great Alpha body language: Russel Crowe in Master and Commander.

    There’s one great scene where he makes eye contact with Hot Brazilian Babe at brief port stop for provisions. Capt Jack locks in, smiles briefly, she smiles wistfully flirting through her umbrella.

    Camera cuts back to Capt Jack, suddenly he hears someone in background ordering a sailor to stop oogling the women.

    Capt Jack shudders back to reality for a quick second as if realizing his carnal desires is off-putting, nods to HBB.

    Throughout the film, Capt Jack is slow, deliberate except when he’s kicking ass in the final scene, but even then, when he approaches what he believes to be the death bed of the opposing ship’s captain, he’s respectful but aloof, confident that he’s kicked ass.

    When he disciplines the carpenter for failing to salute the beta Lieutenant, he never flinches, but in private anguishes that he had to do it to maintain discipline. Great example of beta self-doubt after establishing alpha creds among men.

    Leader of men, protector of women and children and the pre-selection thing is referenced in the fact he writes his wife and he makes eye contact with the HBB pulling away while attraction is high. Not too many women on the high seas.

    Great Alpha throughout.

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  142. When he disciplines the carpenter for failing to salute the beta Lieutenant, he never flinches, but in private anguishes that he had to do it to maintain discipline. Great example of beta self-doubt after establishing alpha creds among men.

    Good point.

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  143. […] hear our words, and a misstep there means our words will fall on deaf ears. The good news is that alpha body language can be learned and applied to increase your success rate with […]

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  144. […] he picks them up, he doesn’t care if they’re sitting or standing, his body language projects dominance despite his height, and he negs better than any player I know. (As a short man, he has to get out […]

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